Ready or not, here comes Pryor
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, December 28th, 2012 at 4:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Ready or not, here he comes.
Terrelle Pryor will start the Raiders regular-season finale Sunday at quarterback against the San Diego Chargers at Qualcomm Stadium, coach Dennis Allen announced Friday.
“I feel that I’m ready,’’ Pryor said. “I felt comfortable. I felt like a leader in the huddle when I was in there. I feel good about it and look forward to the opportunity.’’
Allen said Pryor and backup Matt Leinart had been told earlier in the week Pryor was the likely starter in place of Carson Palmer, who is out with a bruised lung and cracked ribs.
“I wanted to see how each player responded,’’ Allen said. “I thought Terrelle responded well. I think he gives us a unique element of athleticism at the quarterback position and I think he deserves to get an opportunity to get out there and see what he can do.’’
It will be Pryor’s first start since the leading Ohio State to a 31-26 win over Arkansas while being named Most Valuable Player of the Sugar Bowl on Jan. 4, 2011.
A third-round supplemental draft pick in 2011, Pryor was a late arrival last preseason and then served five-game suspension imposed by the NFL related to NCAA infractions for accepting improper benefits.
Active for the last four games, Pryor got three snaps in each of the last two games _ a three-and-out series against the Kansas City Chiefs and three plays in specialty situations as a shotgun quarterback against Carolina.
Pryor described his ascension as a “progression,’’ starting with making the team, eventually becoming active, getting a few plays, and “now it comes to this. Will I respond? We’ll see Sunday. I’m confident.’’
Leinart, who was 16 of 32 for 115 yards with an interception against Carolina, said he felt Allen was leaning towards Pryor all along but promised, “I’m going to help him. Anything he needs. The competitor in me wants to start, but I understand they need to evaluate him.’’
Allen said the decision was based on giving the Raiders (4-11) the best chance to win against the Chargers (6-9) team as well as keeping an eye toward 2013.
“We’ve been around Terrelle for a whole season, and we know what his strengths are, we know what his weaknesses are,’’ Allen said. “To give him an opportunity, against a division opponent at their place, it gives us a view into the future.’’
Pryor understands his mission statement _ get the Raiders to the line of scrimmage on time, avoid mistakes and score points.
He promises there will be no issues with confusion with getting plays off on time.
“I can guarantee this _ I won’t have a problem with that,’’ Pryor said. “Last year was a whirlwind. It was hard for me. But I’ve been studying. Coach gives me a formation, I can give you the play.’’
Pryor expects to be nervous, just as he was at Ohio State when crowds were 90,000 or more. He said Palmer told him, “I’m nervous until the first play is over.’’
— Brandian Ross will start at cornerback opposite Michael Huff as Phillip Adams was placed on injured reserve with a groin injury. Right guard Mike Brisiel remained out with an ankle injury and is questionable, with Tony Bergstrom prepared to start if necessary.
Cornerback Corey Nelms and defensive tackle Brandon Bair were promoted from the practice squad to replace Adams and Richard Seymour, who went on I.R. Thursday. Nelms, Allen said, would be active as a reserve cornerback and special teams player.
– Carolina defensive end Greg Hardy was fined $25,000 for the helmet-to-the-back hit that left Palmer with a bruised lung and cracked ribs, ending his season. Quarterback Cam Newton was fined $10,000 for kicking defensive tackle Tommy Kelly, who was penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness.
“I’m free,’’ Kelly said. “It finally worked out for the good guys.’’
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December 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I think it is very funny that hue jack is back in rotation as a potential hc. That is very good news.
I also think it is too bad he isnt our coach now, and wont be bak.
However if ther is a guy i would want next year n the nfl already give me KYle shanahan.
I LOVE WHAT HE DID WITH THE WCO HYBRID TRIPPLE OPTION /PISTOL AND RGiii
IMAGINE WHAT HE COULD DO WITH PRYOR DHB DMAC REECE FORD MOORE AND STREATER!!!!
DO IT YESTERDAY BIG MACK WE NEED THIS
December 28th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
THE MORE THINGS CHANGE TH MORE THEY STAY THE SAME
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–black-offensive-assistants-finding-roadblocks-to-becoming-nfl-head-coaches-054103279.html
December 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Love the Fact TP is getting the start.
Gonna be a very interesting Offseason (IF) TP plays well.
Also cant wait to see who leaves and who gets brought in.
Who wants to keep there job?
“Last year at this time we were 7-4 and (ahead) in the division. Then we lost four out of our last five. And that’s why I didn’t fight for (former head coach) Hue Jackson to keep his job,” Davis said. “Well, we have five games to go. Who on this team wants me to fight for them to keep their job? Who among the players and coaches really wants to be here? Who wants me to fight to keep them here?”
December 28th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Terrelle-Pryor-Media-Session/1c5677bc-bcab-4828-9e07-a163aef88885
Interesting thing Pryor got asked and answered from about 3:20 onwards leading to the repeat question around 4:00 and his answer again.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Qodrn1
Raiders 30
Chargers 27
December 28th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Cool. Should be interesting, hopefully in the good way not the dumpster, train wreck kind of way…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m ready. See you at the game TP. Tear it up.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
DA and knapp the liars getting their hand forced by Mr. Davis….about time
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
will be wearing my #6 black on sunday.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
DA and knapp the liars getting their hand forced by Mr. Davis….about time
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Any Raiders would hope that’s NOT true. All we need is another meddlesome owner who won’t let his hired people run things.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Like J Hill, at first I was concerned that a good game by Pryor would buy Krapp and DA another year, but actually, I think it will only serve to show how inept they are for not playing him sooner.
I saw someone say that the coaches could come back with ‘we’ll, he wasn’t ready and we developed him’. I don’t think it flies though if only because just 1 short week ago DA said Pryor isn’t ready and doesn’t have a grasp of the offense. Too bad, DA. You dug your own grave, clown.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hope DA is fired on monday
December 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
*well
December 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
1. I like kyles creativeness and ability to adjust to his talent as well.. but I kind of hate is last name.. but I agree I think he would be excited about the talent on our team and the ways that he could feature their gifts instead squandering them and pouting when they dont fit his little playbook.. the antikrapp
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
*dumpster fire* that is…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
PALMER WORSHIPERS ARE SHIDDING BRICKS!!!! LMAO!!!!!
Desperately hoping for pryor to flop.
News flash pryor deos not have to light it up sunday, he only needs to manage the game and sprinkle in a few plays that make you say wow.
He will get more than one game to show what he is worth, clearly davis and big mack are in his corner.
FIRE DENNIS ALLEN FOR THE WAY HE BOTCHED THIS SITUATION!!!
He should have had a game plan for pryor as the number two from preseason. He should have found ways to get him on the filed when the team was in the middle of the 6 game palmer led losing streak,.
He should have let pryor split reps 5 weeks ago, and started him 3 weeks ago.
he should have listened when big mack said [play him the first time.
He should have kept his mouth shut instead of saying “he isnt ready to be the back up” then getting biatch slapped by davis and big mack. He looks like an idiot in the strength of his about face on pryor.
He will look even worse when pryor makes a couple of plays that only the wave of the future is capable of.
Thank god mark is more like al then the impostor fans want to realize
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
DA is a fraud and a liar…He had me fooled big time…Cannot wait until he is run out of town.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Fire Knapp!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
You are deranged Mistake1…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
He should have kept his mouth shut instead of saying “he isnt ready to be the back up
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DA is a fukin liar
December 28th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
The fact that allen even this week didnt give pryor the bulk of the snaps in practice until forced by big mack and davis tells me that he is anything but a sure bet to return.
He pulled a lance kiffiN and told the boss to screw off the fIrst time he was told to play pryor.
FIRE HIS AZZ!!!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Pryor, McFadden, Reece, DHB, Moore, Ausberry.
A creative playcaller would definitely know how to take advantage of all that speed on the field at one time.
Too bad we dont have a creative coordinator.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“Pryor understands his mission statement _ get the Raiders to the line of scrimmage on time…”
really…all he has to do is get them jn and out of the huddle? no wonder we will be 4-12….
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Pryor, McFadden, Reece, DHB, Moore, Ausberry.
A creative playcaller would definitely know how to take advantage of all that speed on the field at one time.
Too bad we dont have a creative coordinator.
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Taiwan Jones.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hope DA is fired on monday
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Won’t happen. Relax.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
JLofty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
You are deranged Mistake1…
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LOL sour grapes make for vintage whine dont they lofty.
Palmer stinks, and i told you he would be a downgrade form jc…i was right
I told you that pryor would get his shot when palmer flopped you said he wouldnt. I was right
scoreboard worshiper, impostor fan hero worship wont make a difference
December 28th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
it took da one pimp slap by mark and now he wants to see touchdown terrelle…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I repeat, Pryor, McFadden, Reece, DHB, Moore, Ausberry.
What NFL defense has the speed to keep up with these men on the field at the same time EVERY single play?
Theres a way that this can be really good and effective. Theres also a way that this can be a complete disaster.
It all comes down to the man calling the plays.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
John David Booty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Pryor, McFadden, Reece, DHB, Moore, Ausberry.
A creative playcaller would definitely know how to take advantage of all that speed on the field at one time.
Too bad we dont have a creative coordinator.
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Taiwan Jones.
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One more.
Sorry, thats just too much speed for any NFL defense that I know of to be able to keep up with EVERY play for an entire game. These are CLEAR mismatches.
Unless you just dont know what to do with them.
Some coaches use their weapons to their advantage. Other coaches just “teach what they know”.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
the Socal nation gets to see TP’s first start huh? this was not the year to not make the trip down.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Say goodby to the tranny Denise Allen and his training bra. Gonna be A TOLD YOU SO offseason for sure. Cant wait.WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA. Fixin to rub some noses in some sht!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
275.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Mark Davis is a fellow Chico State alum.
If WE know anything up there, it is bad coke.
Over/under on lines sent to Nostraulia by Mark Davis:
1,349
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277.Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
A year from now, I guarantee you that RGIII, Cam and Kapernick will be talking about Pryor, how he’s the measuring stick. Everyone who has seen him play know he’s special, and TP will make believers out of all of you fools who doubted.
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Wait JFB,
Who did the lines at Chico? Mark Davis or Priestt
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
imagine what a good oc could do with that much talent? instead of opie and knapp telling them to slow down?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
After being in the nfl for 2 seasons, if Pryor isn’t ready, then he is a complete waste.
Rookie QBs come in on day 1 of the season and start.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
25.RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hope DA is fired on monday
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Won’t happen. Relax.
You will be backtracking again in a couple weeks son.BY BY to the tranny.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would more than love DA and his staff getting canned. It’s not gonna happen. They want continuity and believe that if they stay the course it will get better. Sadly it won’t. This staff doesn’t inspire confidence in the players. They already gave up on him halfway through the year. Putting players in the doghouse won’t get them to play for you any better. Makes them just wanna leave. Would love to see the staff gone but very unlikely.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I like Pryor,just watched him on video. He’s humble, sounds intelligent, and is as athletically gifted as anyone currently in the NFL.
He’s gonna make mistakes plus its not like his supporting cast is full of pro bowlers.
We need more than 1 game, plus if anyone proclaims either way what his career might be, is an idiot.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Dakota I don’t think that Rookie QB’s start off successful when Krapp is their playcaller with a Krappass ZBS.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I agree DA must have been disciplined by RM for his “Pryor not even a capable backup” comments. My problem with DA is that he is a “glass half empty” kinda guy. Instead of realizing what a player is good and and changing his game plan to fit his strength he keeps pushing a system that has does not fit his current players. That’s real messed up. It leads to losing which has huge negative domino effects. DA is too green and stupid to realize this.
DA has shown nothing to warrant his continual employment justifying his 4 year contract. I bet Mark Davis hates DA even more than I and lots of fans do since he’s robbing him $4M a year for his “coaching!”
December 28th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
You will be backtracking again in a couple weeks son.BY BY to the tranny.
36.Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would more than love DA and his staff getting canned. It’s not gonna happen. They want continuity and believe that if they stay the course it will get better. Sadly it won’t. This staff doesn’t inspire confidence in the players. They already gave up on him halfway through the year. Putting players in the doghouse won’t get them to play for you any better. Makes them just wanna leave. Would love to see the staff gone but very unlikely
======================================================== Yes but continuity by loseing doesnt count.Hes gone!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
28. Exactly.. ive been on it all yr. Krapps an albatross.. and the rest of the staff is is crap too
December 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
After being in the nfl for 2 seasons, if Pryor isn’t ready, then he is a complete waste.
Rookie QBs come in on day 1 of the season and start.
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I wouldn’t say “Complete waste,” but this game is his opportunity to show he can play quarterback on the NFL level.
Maybe he’ll throw for a touchdown, run for two more, and leave us salivating over next year.
Or maybe we’ll see Leinart by the third quarter.
Either way, it’ll be interesting.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
imagine what a good oc could do with that much talent? instead of opie and knapp telling them to slow down?
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Man, Raiders could have been real exciting to watch on offense this season. Too bad. People wanna say this is a rebuilding season, cool, rebuild the defense and make it better. We have the personnel to have an explosive, exciting offense, and its just being completely wasted. Anyone denying that is just not being honest with themselves.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Fired with cause.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
4 mil a year for this crap….talk about check cashers…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
And this game is proof that DA’s fate has been decided. No way he starts TP if he thinks his job is in the balance. DA will be back next year, and thank goodness for that.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Oak I hope your right and I’m wrong. I would hate to hear he’s staying 2 weeks after the season is over.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
PALMER WORSHIPERS ARE SHIDDING BRICKS!!!! LMAO!!!!!
Desperately hoping for pryor to flop.
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I haven’t seen one person hope for Pryor to flop.
And only about 2-3 guys who think he won’t play well.
What’s with you? Shouldn’t you be happy about TP playing?
Why do you immediately go looking for conflict?
And what’s with the “imposter fans”? How many games did you attend this year?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Oak I hope your right and I’m wrong. I would hate to hear he’s staying 2 weeks after the season is over.
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We’ll know DA is staying when Knapp’s fired and DA starts interviewing OC candidates.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Denise Allen lied on his application when he checked MALE. Fired with cause!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
DA cant find his own ahole you think he realizes he is about to get canned? he is freakin delusional!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Thank god mark is more like al then the impostor fans want to realize
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Wasn’t it YOU that said “Cam Newton is gonna humiliate the Raiders on Sunday and I can’t wait”.
That doesn’t sound like an imposter fan to me it sounds like a blatant Raider hater.
Do you forget all the anti Raider schytt you write?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
48.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
PALMER WORSHIPERS ARE SHIDDING BRICKS!!!! LMAO!!!!!
Desperately hoping for pryor to flop.
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I haven’t seen one person hope for Pryor to flop.
And only about 2-3 guys who think he won’t play well.
What’s with you? Shouldn’t you be happy about TP playing?
Why do you immediately go looking for conflict?
And what’s with the “imposter fans”? How many games did you attend this year?
=================================================== You owe me a fifty.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Does anyone want DA to stay but install a new offense? I think no matter what he should be gone. He should have been fired after week 1 after that ST breakdown. He just isn’t ready to be a HC after one year being a DC. Green Horn.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
54.Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Does anyone want DA to stay but install a new offense? I think no matter what he should be gone. He should have been fired after week 1 after that ST breakdown. He just isn’t ready to be a HC after one year being a DC. Green Horn.
====================================================== Damn right he should be fired,along with the idiot that hired him and allowed the change to zoneCOCKING.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
pathetic existence aka Oakfosho is still here?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
never wanted that donkey in the first place…playing the raider tradition, fanbase like fools fvck that puto!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
56.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
pathetic existence aka Oakfosho is still here?
===================================================== Hey its the great playoff predicter.We all remember.Not welcome here,your to fkn stupid to be a raider fan.Playoffs OMG!! AAAAHAAAAAA
December 28th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I do, shoot me your e-mail and we can settle
December 28th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
playoffs? youre talking about playoffs?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
will be wearing my #6 black on sunday.
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I heard that Thec, my baby is starting on Sunday………I’m damn near emotional right now.
They have restored my faith in this org. as long as things start changing for the better. We could have use dthis kid this year in redzone situations and they refused it. I think seeing Leinart go out there and do what he always does woke these guys up that maybe they cost themselves some games because they never got TP6 ready.
Well maybe just maybe things will change and the best players will now start getting the proper treatment by this staff.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
59.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I do, shoot me your e-mail and we can settle
NO NO dude.It was fun.Double or nothing next year.We will figure it out.Your alright.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
PALMER WORSHIPERS ARE SHIDDING BRICKS!!!! LMAO!!!!!
Desperately hoping for pryor to flop.
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I haven’t seen one person hope for Pryor to flop.
And only about 2-3 guys who think he won’t play well.
What’s with you? Shouldn’t you be happy about TP playing?
Why do you immediately go looking for conflict?
And what’s with the “imposter fans”? How many games did you attend this year?
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you are full of it
you said pryor would never take a snap as the starter, dont switch up now
you said palmer was an instant upgrade and would lead us to playoff glory, you were wrong there too
90% of the board said pryor shouLd switch positions, and dont want him as the qb.
Stick to your guns jfb
plenty of room on the palmer bandwagon that you were driving this year and last.
by the way how about your predictions for rgIII newton and wilson?
GTFOH!!!!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
JLofty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
You are deranged Mistake1…
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LOL sour grapes make for vintage whine dont they lofty.
Palmer stinks, and i told you he would be a downgrade form jc…i was right
I told you that pryor would get his shot when palmer flopped you said he wouldnt. I was right
scoreboard worshiper, impostor fan hero worship wont make a difference
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Pryor isn’t getting his shot because Palmer flopped Mistic. He is getting his shot because Palmer is injured.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
So to everybody that wants DA gone: Who do you want to replace him, and why exactly do you think they’d come here? Specifics, please.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I hold hope for playoffs every year. Even though we are Krappy. I’ll continue to hold hopes for the playoffs too. I can dream.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
pathetic existence aka Oakfosho is still here?
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On his 100th username, but yes. He’s still here.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
DA is fine, the D is playing hard for him even with nothing to play for, starting with Den Game , KC shutout was nice , C Newton was frustrated, D will again play good, he finally got the D playing good, we may have found 2 CB’s Adams and Ross, just need Legit DE to pressure qb, a MLB , and little upgrade at safety positions, D will be top 10 next year, just need to fire G Knapp, Trade Mcfadden for 2nd rd pick , keep Goodson, Jones, Reece, Stewart get a # 1 WR , a Center and right tackle,
December 28th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
65.RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
So to everybody that wants DA gone: Who do you want to replace him, and why exactly do you think they’d come here? Specifics, please.
We will see who is available.I will give you specifics like a mfr.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
68.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
DA is fine, the D is playing hard for him even with nothing to play for, starting with Den Game , KC shutout was nice , C Newton was frustrated, D will again play good, he finally got the D playing good, we may have found 2 CB’s Adams and Ross, just need Legit DE to pressure qb, a MLB , and little upgrade at safety positions, D will be top 10 next year, just need to fire G Knapp, Trade Mcfadden for 2nd rd pick , keep Goodson, Jones, Reece, Stewart get a # 1 WR , a Center and right tackle,
==================================================== DA is fine! AAAHAAAAA. Playoffs? JEEZUS
December 28th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Thank god mark is more like al then the impostor fans want to realize
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Wasn’t it YOU that said “Cam Newton is gonna humiliate the Raiders on Sunday and I can’t wait”.
That doesn’t sound like an imposter fan to me it sounds like a blatant Raider hater.
Do you forget all the anti Raider schytt you write?
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MORE SHATTERED HERO SYNDROME!!!!!
ffor the 9 millionth time
“i cant wait” was in reference to allen being fired. simply repating a qoute out of context doesnt change the meaning it only exposes you as a liar.
YOU FUGGIN PALMER WORSHIPER, YOU ALSO SAID PRYOR WOULD NEVER GET A SNIFF AS LONG AS CARSON WAS THE QB!!!!!!!
STICK TO YUOR GUNS!!! YOU ARE WAFFLING LIKE AND EGGO BRAND BREAKFAST LOL
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Cwolfman Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
JLofty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
You are deranged Mistake1…
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LOL sour grapes make for vintage whine dont they lofty.
Palmer stinks, and i told you he would be a downgrade form jc…i was right
I told you that pryor would get his shot when palmer flopped you said he wouldnt. I was right
scoreboard worshiper, impostor fan hero worship wont make a difference
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Pryor isn’t getting his shot because Palmer flopped Mistic. He is getting his shot because Palmer is injured.
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8-17 37 TURNOVERS EQUALS MAJOR FLOP ANY WAY YOU SLICE IT
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I want DA gone and as for candidates. Our list is short. When was the last time we had a REAL HC. HC’s don’t want to come here because of the reputation of getting fired after a year.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I predict playoffs every year, what kinda fan predicts doom ??? what kinda fan is all sad and still post here the same bs day and day out
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Mcfaggen20 must be used to being wrong and humiliated.Keeps coming back thirsty for more.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
M1st1c the supa id1ot is all excited now ? I hope Pryor plays well so we can stop hearing your stupid rants every day
December 28th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
74.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I predict playoffs every year, what kinda fan predicts doom ??? what kinda fan is all sad and still post here the same bs day and day out
Stop doing that. Use your head a little son.Look like a dumba$$.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
da/hc. turner or caldwell/oc.tarver/dc. this would work for me.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Yahoo is reporting : “According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence. More proof that the Raiders should have stuck with Hue Jackson.”
Of course IMO the confidant is either Ron Wolf or John Madden.
I’ve been listening to Madden each week on his morning radio spots in bay area and he keeps saying Raiders are awful. Being an X coach I’m sure he blames DA for it mostly. He also goes to Mark Davis’ luxury box to watch all games in Oakland.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Mcfaggen20 must be used to being wrong and humiliated.Keeps coming back thirsty for more.
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I predicted playoffs ? I must be bad fan, i should predict failure every year, doom and gloom, 10 and then , will that make me a great fan like you oakshofag?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
73.Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I want DA gone and as for candidates. Our list is short. When was the last time we had a REAL HC. HC’s don’t want to come here because of the reputation of getting fired after a year.
HUE JACKSON.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
i want anybody but DA any freakin body…gilligan… i dont givash!t just get that donkey aszs outta here!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
DA will be here, Palmer will be here, unless Pryor plays like a pro bowler, next game and in otas, training camp and pre-season
December 28th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
I want T.J. Lang as our RT next season!!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
80.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Mcfaggen20 must be used to being wrong and humiliated.Keeps coming back thirsty for more.
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I predicted playoffs ? I must be bad fan, i should predict failure every year, doom and gloom, 10 and then , will that make me a great fan like you oakshofag?
=================================================== Well,what it does is make your football opinions laughable.No one wants to hear it. Clearly you love this team because of their great uniforms because your football IQ is way low.Smoking crack low.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Good luck to young TP. You absolutely remind me of the “Old Raider Players”, who were told by the rest of the NFL, “you’re to old, over the hill, or not good enough”. However, when they arrived in Raiderland, many of them became Pro-Bowlers, Super Bowl Winners, and excellent RAIDER Football players. I hope with your hard work and apparent “team first ethic”, (rather than a spoiled brat, ala QB Leinhart me first attitude) that you have an absolute barnstormer against the chargers. Then, maybe you can back up CP next year, and who knows from there on out?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
D is playing well recently, they finally got hang of it after suspending that Alabama guy, the team s8cks talentwise though
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
My BABY is starting on Sunday…………this is simply the bets news I have gotten from the oakland Raiders since we drafted him almost 2 years ago.
Not only did we get him but he was the last pick of the great owner and Patriarch of the Silver and black. What a special players he will turn out to be if the Raiders do their part and get him a better OC and let him use the talent around him.
One thing I have to say is I have tremendous respect for Carson Palmer who essential did for TP6 what every young player needs he took him under his wings and biult his confidence. Pryor owes so much to Palmer its immeasurable. Veterans don’t do what Palmer did for Pryor and it shows what kind of special person Palmer really is.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Oak and he got fired. I would have liked him to stay. But apparently one game away from the playoffs isn’t gonna save your job. A 4-11 record is gonna get you another shot though.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Lot of liars on this blog also. saying rhey hope TP plays well
December 28th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Good luck, TP6. May the blocking hold up, may you have 3 TD passes and 1 (or fewer) pick, may the sports pundits all eat crow on Sunday night, and may you send Norv out on the same rail that he came in on!! Raiders, baby!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
DA and knapp the liars getting their hand forced by Mr. Davis….about time
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If you don’t believe it watch DA’s presser. He is not a happy man even though he says it was his decision.
That is obvious BS.
WORD!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
lmao playing well recently? they are freakin playing man defense!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
At least Reggie was a Raider and learned under former Raider Wolf.
If Reggie is genuinely not afraid to fire Allen, to admit error and improve his own performance because he has the welfare of the Raiders at heart, if he is genuinely angry about the offense, offensive hires, and regression of talent (irrespective of it being former Al players or not) then he earns kudos back.
Still disappointed he took so long, sat back idle, didn’t feel like making a public face thru November, Mark having to do it, didn’t step in sooner to make coaching changes to avoid the disasters, to fight for wasted players, didn’t try harder in the trade window.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
549. If TP drives down the field for 4 TD’S and a win, I can guarantee there won’t be a sober RAIDERFAN on Sunday night!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
keep DA for what continutiy…GTFOH…
We will go 5-11 with him at the helm.
Raiders have to keep waitin right…lol
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Good luck to young TP. You absolutely remind me of the “Old Raider Players”, who were told by the rest of the NFL, “you’re to old, over the hill, or not good enough”. However, when they arrived in Raiderland, many of them became Pro-Bowlers, Super Bowl Winners, and excellent RAIDER Football players. I hope with your hard work and apparent “team first ethic”, (rather than a spoiled brat, ala QB Leinhart me first attitude) that you have an absolute barnstormer against the chargers. Then, maybe you can back up CP next year, and who knows from there on out?
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Amen, that is the plan. They need to develope this kid as quickly as possible it just strengthens the organization.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I want DA gone and as for candidates. Our list is short. When was the last time we had a REAL HC. HC’s don’t want to come here because of the reputation of getting fired after a year.
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And that rep will only be reinforced if we show DA the door.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Yahoo is reporting : “According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence. More proof that the Raiders should have stuck with Hue Jackson.”
Of course IMO the confidant is either Ron Wolf or John Madden.
I’ve been listening to Madden each week on his morning radio spots in bay area and he keeps saying Raiders are awful. Being an X coach I’m sure he blames DA for it mostly. He also goes to Mark Davis’ luxury box to watch all games in Oakland.
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I would think so, too. Now that you mention it.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
89.Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Oak and he got fired. I would have liked him to stay. But apparently one game away from the playoffs isn’t gonna save your job. A 4-11 record is gonna get you another shot though.
You can thank our power hungry GM for that. Gaurantee Mark is regretting the fireing of HUE.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
The funny thing is – Saban and Alabama could probably “work” about 5 or 6 teams in the NFL!!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
ten and then is now nine and whine…
December 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
M1st1c the supa id1ot is all excited now ? I hope Pryor plays well so we can stop hearing your stupid rants every day
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mac turd burglar 20
your hero is finished
pryor is getting the start
newton owns you
you racist piece of trash we know you dont want pryor
“black qbs suck”
remember that gem?
you pathetic cross poster
December 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
DA is not a straight shooter or a stand up guy.
Take a good look at knapp, would you trust him?
December 28th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Lot of liars on this blog also. saying rhey hope TP plays well
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Thec, there at least a few (JFB) and a few others.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Lot of liars on this blog also. saying rhey hope TP plays well
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thats ok Thec,
we know who they are, they have exposed their true feelings time and time again.
History is documented in the archive
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
DA, Reggie, and Knapp have been scared all season. They are scared to hire anyone good enough to threaten their positions, scared to make adjustments, scared to act like Raiders.
The TP situation is typical. With nothing to lose, Dennis “Dan Quayle” Allen had to be carried kicking and screaming to this decision. If TP fails, so what? At least we went down with a sword in our hands.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
If only there were some evidence to the naked eye of improvement since the preseason. There’s been NONE.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
im out
TP 6 is on deck and the haters are in a tizzy!!!
It is fun being a raider fan again!
peace
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
LOL Now am cross poster?? hahahaha , i don’t want my team to succeed? coming from a guy who couldn’t wait for Palmer to do 1 bad thing to pounce on it
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
98.RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Relentless Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
I want DA gone and as for candidates. Our list is short. When was the last time we had a REAL HC. HC’s don’t want to come here because of the reputation of getting fired after a year.
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And that rep will only be reinforced if we show DA the door.
================================================== Fk the rep! You cannot regress this much and keep your job. 4-11 gets you fired no matter what team it is. He sucks so bad.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
And this game is proof that DA’s fate has been decided. No way he starts TP if he thinks his job is in the balance. DA will be back next year, and thank goodness for that.
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Watch the presser. He was forced to make the decision its so obvious.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
It was a longtime coming but it’s finally here. I have wanting to see this kid since the day I saw him dressed in Silver and Black.
Sunday can’t get here fast enough.
My BABY is starting on Sunday, aint life grand……lol
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
By far this has been the most wasteful year since 06′. The only ray of light would be seeing TP play like a superstar and hopefully build off of it. But otherwise this year has gone straight down the drain.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Evidence? There’s been no play; therefore, no evidence!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
It has always been fun being a Raider fan , just not when you come across some fans who want certain players on the team to fail for unknown reasons
December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
My BABY is starting on Sunday…………this is simply the bets news I have gotten from the oakland Raiders since we drafted him almost 2 years ago.
Not only did we get him but he was the last pick of the great owner and Patriarch of the Silver and black. What a special players he will turn out to be if the Raiders do their part and get him a better OC and let him use the talent around him.
One thing I have to say is I have tremendous respect for Carson Palmer who essential did for TP6 what every young player needs he took him under his wings and biult his confidence. Pryor owes so much to Palmer its immeasurable. Veterans don’t do what Palmer did for Pryor and it shows what kind of special person Palmer really is.
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Well said about what kind of person Palmer is. It looks like he has had a great relationship with Pryor from the beginning.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
im out
TP 6 is on deck and the haters are in a tizzy!!!
It is fun being a raider fan again!
peace
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Hey Mistic1, I had many doubts this day would actually come but you said it and it came true.
Kudos my man, bigtime kudos!
December 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
I hope TP balls out and they still fire the coaching staff…All except A. Saunders should see the door.
December 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
If we ball it on Sunday, it would be like the tail end of the ‘08 season when we “worked” Tampa Bay (monster game by Bush). It meant very little; but damn, it looked good!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
lots of guys want TP to fail, just to prove a point, this is nothing new. Even the liars who say they want him to succeed.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I hope this is not another “Matt Flynn” scenario …
December 28th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
DA should have been fired after the 3rd blowout loss imo…. F him
December 28th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I am out…Either way DA should be kicked out the door.
1 N
December 28th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
DA is young and he got thrown into a bad situation. Having said that, I think Reggie made a mistake.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
People still talking about DA getting fired? Pay attention much? Reggie and DA will be back next. Jeez, find something new to talk about.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
lots of guys want TP to fail, just to prove a point, this is nothing new. Even the liars who say they want him to succeed.
000
that’s the effect of talking to M1st1c too much, they don’t really want him to fail , but if he does , they would want to talk about his failures to mistic everyday just like he can’t wait to tell the real fans how palmer is pathetic, but believe me i won’t be the one talking bad here, Pryor is interesting Prospect, the sky is the limit, is he willing to put more work in the offseason and come back strong , i would be ecstatic if he turns out be really good
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
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Nobody said we would dumbass, with the possible exception of your bootlicking azz. Nobody said we’d go 4-12 either.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I’m finally actually excited for a game. Although it is meaningless in terms of affecting the season I think many of us have been waiting to see what TP can do since he was drafted. The day is almost here and we shall see if he’s the next best thing.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Life (no matter what) is grand Priesttj, and I hope that the young kid TP has a positive game against the chargers, so that at least it puts the organisation a step (as small as it is) forward to the 2013 season.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
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This excuse stuff is somewhat valid.
The point you do not talk about is the coaches total lack of adjustment. That same mistake over and over and over.
Not utilizing Reese and Jones and Ausbbury. No excuse for those mistakes.
Just piss poor coaching and lack of vision and creativity.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
morilla Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
People still talking about DA getting fired? Pay attention much? Reggie and DA will be back next. Jeez, find something new to talk about.
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Oak4shofag and al the troll need to get laid , they are in their 50s and still virgin
December 28th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Mike Wallace RFA.
Dwayne Bowe UFA.
Greg Jennings UFA.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
If Pryor does great all will point to DA saying you fool why didn’t you play him before, right? But if Pryor fails people will say DA was right not to play him earlier.
So I sure hope DA and Knapp do not try to sabotage him by putting in plays they know he could not execute. Sounds crazy but IMO DA is not a straight shooter and I wouldn’t put pulling garbage like this above him.
Pryor needs a pistol offense to draw in the safeties while showing a handoff to be effective with his legs and throws. Put him a traditional pocket position his chances of failure is high.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
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Nobody said we would dumbass, with the possible exception of your bootlicking azz. Nobody said we’d go 4-12 either.
000
stfu, no body is talking to your ignorant ass, quit butting into everyone’s convo’s
December 28th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Fk the rep! You cannot regress this much and keep your job. 4-11 gets you fired no matter what team it is. He sucks so bad.
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So when Bill Belichick took over a Patriots team that had gone 8-8 and 9-7 under Pete Carroll and proceed to go 5-11 his first year, you would have fired him then?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Please, TP. Put your freak on, run like a madman, ignore Knapp, conspire with the running backs and O line, and go full Kobe this Sunday. Let’s see what you have.
Good luck, kid.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
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This excuse stuff is somewhat valid.
The point you do not talk about is the coaches total lack of adjustment. That same mistake over and over and over.
Not utilizing Reese and Jones and Ausbbury. No excuse for those mistakes.
Just piss poor coaching and lack of vision and creativity.
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Thats my point, he was hired so late and got rejected from so many teams to interview their guys, with draft and everything coming up , DA had to settle with Greg Knapp, hopefully Knapp is fired on Monday and DA gets real OC’s this time
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Probably not even going to be able to see the game down here. It’s probably going to be blacked out. And even with the NFL ticket, they still black it out.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Our Pryor has a far better character than…
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Newton fined twice, for ref-bump and kick against Raiders
Cam Newton has made multiple donations to the Human Fund this week.
Along with his previously reported $21,000 fine for bumping referee Jerome Boger, Newton has also been fined another $10,000 for his actions in last week’s game against the Raiders.
The latest fine, according to Joe Person of the Charlotte Observer, was for kicking Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly.
That’s a week of expensive lessons for Newton, who is probably fortunate he wasn’t ejected from bumping into Boger. Newton apologized after the game, and Boger said afterward it wasn’t a malicious act, but the quarterback has to show more restraint if he expects his teammates around him to.
He wasn’t the only Panther fined either, as defensive end Greg Hardy was fined $25,000 for the shot that knocked Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer out, and safety Charles Godfrey was docked $21,000 for hitting a defenseless receiver in the head.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
If only there were some evidence to the naked eye of improvement since the preseason. There’s been NONE.
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This is spot on.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Fk the rep! You cannot regress this much and keep your job. 4-11 gets you fired no matter what team it is. He sucks so bad.
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So when Bill Belichick took over a Patriots team that had gone 8-8 and 9-7 under Pete Carroll and proceed to go 5-11 his first year, you would have fired him then?
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he’s just that stupid, did i tell you he’s a 50 year old virgin?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Fk the rep! You cannot regress this much and keep your job. 4-11 gets you fired no matter what team it is. He sucks so bad.
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So when Bill Belichick took over a Patriots team that had gone 8-8 and 9-7 under Pete Carroll and proceed to go 5-11 his first year, you would have fired him then?
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Dennis Allen never had a résumé like Belichek. Come up with another Red Herring
December 28th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Carson Palmer is a better QB than Pryor. Call me a “Palmer worshiper”, but name calling doesn’t change reality. I wish Pryor the best.
Those who want to make this about race, I’m really sorry that we’re fans of the same team. I wish you liked another team because your rhetoric and race-baiting is old, tired, and uglier than Knapp’s offense. Get a clue and and get a new gimmick. Let people like who they like and don’t assume. If a person hates another because of race, that’s racism. That goes for ANYONE.
As for how Pryor will do, I suspect he won’t do well because he was good in college, but Ohio State has rarely turned out a great QB (I’m an Ohio State fan). Knapp’s offense sucks, so that’s against him. Our O-line hasn’t played well, so good luck with the running game. Our receivers are okay, but no one is amazing. Finally, Dennis Allen hasn’t done much to inspire confidence.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Bill Belichek paid his dues. DA was handed his.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Thats my point, he was hired so late and got rejected from so many teams to interview their guys, with draft and everything coming up , DA had to settle with Greg Knapp, hopefully Knapp is fired on Monday and DA gets real OC’s this time
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Your point is crap! DA is the coach he needs to make the FVCKING adjustments. Special teams, D, Offense. HE IS THE COACH do something, besides slam your head in the wall repeatedly
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I think the only sad thing about Pryor starting this game, is that in all reality, it is only one game. Which will not really show what he can or cannot do, and we wont really know if he is ready to be a capable QB in the NFL yet. They really should have started him two games ago.
I hope he plays his heart out and gives everyone (including me) hope for next season. I think the more likely scenario is, he will have some good plays and some bad plays. He will show some good moments, and he will show some head scratching moments. And in the end, there will still be tons of questions, and few answers. I’m glad he at least gets some sort of an honest shot before the season ends though.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Belichic was a loser before Pats, regressed in first year with Pats, went on to have a nice career
December 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Bill Belichick was a legit coach with legit nfl experiance.Denise Allen is a fking loser with no credentials what so ever.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Time for Pryor stat predictions…
I’ll say
22/35 254 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
1 rec 34 yards 1 TD
6 carries 75 yards 1 TD.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Thats my point, he was hired so late and got rejected from so many teams to interview their guys, with draft and everything coming up , DA had to settle with Greg Knapp, hopefully Knapp is fired on Monday and DA gets real OC’s this time
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Your point is crap! DA is the coach he needs to make the FVCKING adjustments. Special teams, D, Offense. HE IS THE COACH do something, besides slam your head in the wall repeatedly
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He’s a first time coach, he’s D minded, his calling card is on D, he had to settle with stupid G Knapp and that’s Knapps job to make his side play better, DA has his hands full with stupid losers on D side,
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Have to wonder what Belichick will be without Tom Brady.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Bill Belichick was a legit coach with legit nfl experiance.Denise Allen is a fking loser with no credentials what so ever.
000
Really??? do you even know where Belichick coached before Pats? and what his record was
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Belichic was a loser before Pats, regressed in first year with Pats, went on to have a nice career
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Belichek paid his dues as a Head Coach, DC. Dennis Allen was handed his dues.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
If you were a coach and you continued to run the same play on 3rd and short for half a season with little to no results would you keep doing it?
It is pure ignorance.
Knapp to DA: We got it this time be patient. JOKE COACH!!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Have to wonder what Belichick will be without Tom Brady.
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Don’t wonder too much, they went 11-5 with Cassell, same guy who’s leading KC to first pick in 2013 draft
December 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Bill Belichick was a legit coach with legit nfl experiance.Denise Allen is a fking loser with no credentials what so ever.
000
Really??? do you even know where Belichick coached before Pats? and what his record was
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Do you dumbass?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Thats my point, he was hired so late and got rejected from so many teams to interview their guys, with draft and everything coming up , DA had to settle with Greg Knapp, hopefully Knapp is fired on Monday and DA gets real OC’s this time
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Your point is crap! DA is the coach he needs to make the FVCKING adjustments. Special teams, D, Offense. HE IS THE COACH do something, besides slam your head in the wall repeatedly
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He’s a first time coach, he’s D minded, his calling card is on D, he had to settle with stupid G Knapp and that’s Knapps job to make his side play better, DA has his hands full with stupid losers on D side
======================================================= You knew all that but still predicted playoffs? lol
December 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
looking foward to see what pryor can do.Go kid do your thing,sieze the moment,go pryor,and go raiders!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES??? the reality is you can’t judge coaches based on 1 year, he was hired so late, had to settle with stupid assistants, and was saddled with the D which couldn’t force 1 punt in really important game last year
December 28th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
“He’s a first time coach, he’s D minded, his calling card is on D….”
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Newsflash this D sucks.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I felt more hope coming out of the kiffin 2007 season than i do right now.
kiffin was a better nfl coach than dennis allen.
its not even close. kiffin didnt even have palmer and mcfadden.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Belechick was a Parcells guy.Thats enough reason for me to give a second season.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Bill Belichick was a legit coach with legit nfl experiance.Denise Allen is a fking loser with no credentials what so ever.
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Really??? do you even know where Belichick coached before Pats? and what his record was
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Do you dumbass?
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YES I KNOW STUPID ASS , But he said Belichic was a legit coach, he obviously didn’t check his record in cleveland
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
In fact this D sucks so bad Breshnahan’s might be better.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES???
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Are you really that stupid?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
“He’s a first time coach, he’s D minded, his calling card is on D….”
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Newsflash this D sucks.
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Have you not seen them play last 3 weeks, He’s improving that side, and give him a few more players, just watch his D play lights out next year
December 28th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
161.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES??? the reality is you can’t judge coaches based on 1 year, he was hired so late, had to settle with stupid assistants, and was saddled with the D which couldn’t force 1 punt in really important game last year
He didnt have to settle on Knapp and the zonecocking scheme.he did it all on his own.Regression big time.real big.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES???
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Are you really that stupid?
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What dues did he paid? Belichic was a loser in cleveland , u obviously didn’t know where he coached before pats as well
December 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Argueing with a guy who predicted playoffs this year is just goofy.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
fvck that puto DA…kick his aszsz out the door twice!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
As the story goes, in 1998 trask wanted to hire belichick and al went with gruden.
Had amy wob out either we would be a lot better right now, or no one would have ever heard of belichick and/or brady.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
161.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES??? the reality is you can’t judge coaches based on 1 year, he was hired so late, had to settle with stupid assistants, and was saddled with the D which couldn’t force 1 punt in really important game last year
He didnt have to settle on Knapp and the zonecocking scheme.he did it all on his own.Regression big time.real big.
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Yes he did, he tried interview many guys but was rejected , the draft was coming up and he knew Knapp little bit because of their time together before, so he hired the only guy that was available
December 28th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
WTF u mean Paid his DUES???
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Are you really that stupid?
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What dues did he paid? Belichic was a loser in cleveland , u obviously didn’t know where he coached before pats as well
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Yeah sure dumbass,
December 28th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Tom Brady made Belichick,along with a bunch of cheating.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
As the story goes, in 1998 trask wanted to hire belichick and al went with gruden.
Had amy wob out either we would be a lot better right now, or no one would have ever heard of belichick and/or brady.
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Al would have fired Belichic had he went 5-11
December 28th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
I wish mcfadden would be traded to the patriots.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Tom Brady made Belichick,along with a bunch of cheating.
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December 28th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Mike Tomlin has made it to two Super Bowls, winning one of them. His resume is very similar to Allen’s. The highest he had coached at was DC for one year. He wowed the Rooneys in his interview. He’s a very good coach. Sometimes it work out and sometimes it doesn’t. Hindsight is 20/20. Allen has not been a good coach. MANY people said great things about him. It just hasn’t worked out. If he doesn’t have the balls to make the necessary changes, then he doesn’t have what it takes.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
DA’s calling card is the D, he has nothing to do with the O, he will def hire a better OC this year, with alot of time on his hands, instead of being rushed into making a decision,
December 28th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Tomlin had a great team.Lets see what he does now that there all fixen to retire.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Yes he did, he tried interview many guys but was rejected , the draft was coming up and he knew Knapp little bit because of their time together before, so he hired the only guy that was available
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Revisionists history.
Just two weeks ago DA said he still believed in the offensive scheme.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DAs calling card is coaching DBs….he really had limited success as the DC in Denver.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Mike Tomlin has made it to two Super Bowls, winning one of them. His resume is very similar to Allen’s. The highest he had coached at was DC for one year. He wowed the Rooneys in his interview. He’s a very good coach. Sometimes it work out and sometimes it doesn’t. Hindsight is 20/20. Allen has not been a good coach. MANY people said great things about him. It just hasn’t worked out. If he doesn’t have the balls to make the necessary changes, then he doesn’t have what it takes.
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Are you kidding with me ? He suspended and benched McClain ,benched Bartell and Moore our D has been playing better as of late, which tells me he will make this D legit if he can get a few more players on that side, so with a new OC and a few more players on D side, we will be a lot more better
December 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
181.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
DA’s calling card is the D, he has nothing to do with the O, he will def hire a better OC this year, with alot of time on his hands, instead of being rushed into making a decision,
==================================================== Denise and his training bra will not be here to do anything of the kind.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Do you think Mark will break out the overhead projector?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
After hearing that 8 min video how can you NOT be rooting for TP6?
He is humble and says all the right things. Impressive maturity for such a young kid.
Will that translate tomorrow? I hope so but we shall find out a lot tomorrow.
Now, am I ROOTING for him? You bet.
How some on this dumb board continue to rip and **root against** this kid is mind-boggling.
Not sure how those folx call themselves Raider fans.
As I said b4, my only concern is he does so well KRAPP ends up staying…
Now THAT would be something to root against!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Yes he did, he tried interview many guys but was rejected , the draft was coming up and he knew Knapp little bit because of their time together before, so he hired the only guy that was available
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Revisionists history.
Just two weeks ago DA said he still believed in the offensive scheme.
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What do you want him to say? Our coaches s8ck? just wait when the season ends, Knapp and others will be gone
December 28th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
DA’s Denver Defense finished #20. One friggin year. to Head Coach?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I can’t believe people are comparing Tits to Belicheat.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Are you kidding with me ? He suspended and benched McClain ,benched Bartell and Moore our D has been playing better as of late, which tells me he will make this D legit if he can get a few more players on that side, so with a new OC and a few more players on D side, we will be a lot more better
Yea because it took alot of brilliance to bench Mclain.Please.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lmao at people who claim a good game on d against bad teams like the panthers and the chiefs mean we are improving on D.
puuuuuuulease.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DAs calling card is coaching DBs….he really had limited success as the DC in Denver.
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He did not have limited success, his D was playing lights out, from start to end, did you not see his D keeping broncos in the game with Tebow going 3 n outs
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
youre right DA owns this pos defense…another reason to fire his sorry aszs…
December 28th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
As the story goes, in 1998 trask wanted to hire belichick and al went with gruden.
Had amy wob out either we would be a lot better right now, or no one would have ever heard of belichick and/or brady.
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In some interview several years back, Belichick was asked why he’d never come to Oakland to work for his good friend Al, and he basically said he didn’t come here because he’d have to run Al’s defense instead of his own.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I will be teasing the living sht out of this guy when the tranny gets shown the door.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lmao at people who claim a good game on d against bad teams like the panthers and the chiefs mean we are improving on D.
puuuuuuulease.
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KC is bad on O, but still shutting out any1 isn’t easy, Newton panthers are not bad offensively
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DAs calling card is coaching DBs….he really had limited success as the DC in Denver.
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He did not have limited success, his D was playing lights out, from start to end, did you not see his D keeping broncos in the game with Tebow going 3 n outs
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His Defense finished at #20, dumbass.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
This D is about to give up more yards than Bresnahans.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DAs calling card is coaching DBs….he really had limited success as the DC in Denver.
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He did not have limited success, his D was playing lights out, from start to end, did you not see his D keeping broncos in the game with Tebow going 3 n outs
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His Defense finished at #20, dumbass.
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You don’t know how to read?? They finished #20 because they had tim freaking Tebow going 3 n outs all day long, they didn’t had Peyton freaking manning
December 28th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The shut out Brady F’in Quinn. That proves they are a good D. LOL
December 28th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
As the story goes, in 1998 trask wanted to hire belichick and al went with gruden.
Had amy wob out either we would be a lot better right now, or no one would have ever heard of belichick and/or brady.
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In some interview several years back, Belichick was asked why he’d never come to Oakland to work for his good friend Al, and he basically said he didn’t come here because he’d have to run Al’s defense instead of his own.
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he took the interview. had the job been offered he would have been our coach. easy for him to talk big now, but 14 years ago he was just another out of work failed hc.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Mike Tomlin has made it to two Super Bowls, winning one of them. His resume is very similar to Allen’s. The highest he had coached at was DC for one year. He wowed the Rooneys in his interview. He’s a very good coach. Sometimes it work out and sometimes it doesn’t. Hindsight is 20/20. Allen has not been a good coach. MANY people said great things about him. It just hasn’t worked out. If he doesn’t have the balls to make the necessary changes, then he doesn’t have what it takes.
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Are you kidding with me ? He suspended and benched McClain ,benched Bartell and Moore our D has been playing better as of late, which tells me he will make this D legit if he can get a few more players on that side, so with a new OC and a few more players on D side, we will be a lot more better
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Are we so used to the crap under Al that normal moves are considered good? I’ve defended Allen as much as I can, but as the head coach he has to own up to the crappy offense. Why pick Knapp? This argument about him not being able to get who he wanted is a load of crap. What he should want is success. He retained Saunders on the staff. Saunders should’ve been named OC.
To say Allen’s specialty is D, therefore the offense isn’t his fault is a load of crap. The head coach is responsible for the whole thing. If Allen fires Knapp and hires someone reputable, then I’m willing to wait it out. If he defends Knapp and keeps him, then I think Allen is not HC material. I understand the personal nature of things, that a guy would not want to fire a friend, but that’s why you don’t hire friends who suck.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
dont forget his DAV crosspost..
December 28th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
cwolfman Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I think the only sad thing about Pryor starting this game, is that in all reality, it is only one game. Which will not really show what he can or cannot do, and we wont really know if he is ready to be a capable QB in the NFL yet. They really should have started him two games ago.
I hope he plays his heart out and gives everyone (including me) hope for next season. I think the more likely scenario is, he will have some good plays and some bad plays. He will show some good moments, and he will show some head scratching moments. And in the end, there will still be tons of questions, and few answers. I’m glad he at least gets some sort of an honest shot before the season ends though.
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Therefore it’s not sad. But it is unfortunate we wasted all this time using Leinart as Palmers backup. The coaches clearly goofed there. The key is Pryor is a Raider he will be here next year to do whatever it is he didn’t get the chance to do this year. For that this staff should pay. But at least there is genuine interest in this kid because I was scared this staff would set him up to get cut. Wasting another draft pick and throwing away tremendous potential at the most important position.
That was my biggest fear that they would be allowed to get away with it and people would be able to say he didn’t show anything. When it was obviuosu to me they didn’t want him to show anything.
Honestly the ONLY reason this came about is they saw Leinart play and that paved the way for Pryor. Then knew Pryor had talent but just like Ausberry and TJ they didn’t give a damn. They were going to do it their way come hell or high water and we all know what happened.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Tom Brady> Bill Belichick
December 28th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
This D is about to give up more yards than Bresnahans.
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So what? you want to see progress with coaches, the D is making progress, they have been giving opposing O’s hard time, starting with DEn game, then KC shutout, then Carolina game while our O was going 3 n outs all day long
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I will be teasing the living sht out of this guy when the tranny gets shown the door.
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No you won’t. When it becomes obvious that DA has been retained, you’ll either disappear for a couple of months or start mindlessly insulting Reggie again.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Thank god mark is more like al then the impostor fans want to realize
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Wasn’t it YOU that said “Cam Newton is gonna humiliate the Raiders on Sunday and I can’t wait”.
That doesn’t sound like an imposter fan to me it sounds like a blatant Raider hater.
Do you forget all the anti Raider schytt you write?
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MORE SHATTERED HERO SYNDROME!!!!!
ffor the 9 millionth time
“i cant wait” was in reference to allen being fired. simply repating a qoute out of context doesnt change the meaning it only exposes you as a liar.
YOU FUGGIN PALMER WORSHIPER, YOU ALSO SAID PRYOR WOULD NEVER GET A SNIFF AS LONG AS CARSON WAS THE QB!!!!!!!
STICK TO YUOR GUNS!!! YOU ARE WAFFLING LIKE AND EGGO BRAND BREAKFAST LOL
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Your comment wasn’t taken out of context. If you are saying you meant something else by it…fine.
In all seriousness, you are confusing me with someone else.
I have NEVER EVER said I didn’t want to see Pryor play. I have been consistent in saying we need to see the kid in action.
In fact, i’ll send 1,000 dollars to your favorite charity…or you personally if you can find ONE SINGLE POST where i said anything other than i’d like to see Pryor play…and START the last few games, and an additional 1,000 dollars…if u can find ONE SINGLE POST where i said anything negative about him at all..except for the one comment where i said a couple months back that he didn’t play well at the game i attended at Camp Randall against Wisconsin.
You have me confused with someone else. Seriously.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
yeah denver really struggled against us. lmao
December 28th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I am willing to bet that the Offense has a little extra pep in thier step for Pryor.
They gotta love the kid and his ethic and hopefully the play hard for him to succeed.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
dont forget his DAV crosspost..
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Stfu i don’t need to crosspost, i make legit points, while you are babbling on and on about zone D , DA sucks, reg sucks, etc, etc every freaking day on this site
December 28th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Mcfaggen20 predicted playoffs for a reason fellas.He dont know what the fk hes talking about.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
So what? you want to see progress with coaches, the D is making progress, they have been giving opposing O’s hard time, starting with DEn game, then KC shutout, then Carolina game while our O was going 3 n outs all day long
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Progress is not regressing and then clinging to the fact that you shutout Brady Quinn.
The O has been going 3 and out every since we got Palmer.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
must be the “it” factor DA has….lmao
December 28th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
yeah denver really struggled against us. lmao
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Yeah they did, the first play should have been picked of for TD the other, they were put in really bad situations and still only managed to give up FGs
December 28th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Incidently Leinart career is in jeopardy and he has NO ONE to blame but himself. Your BACKUP must stay ready at all times and he was happy to carry a clipboard never relly expecting to get in a game. And BAM Palmer goes down and he’s in the game and not ready to perform. He’s had a silver spoon in his mouth his entire career and now that spoon has suddenly been changed to salt.
Time to earn a living for once in his life….
December 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
209.RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I will be teasing the living sht out of this guy when the tranny gets shown the door.
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No you won’t. When it becomes obvious that DA has been retained, you’ll either disappear for a couple of months or start mindlessly insulting Reggie again.
210.DJ Johnny Says:
==================================================== Well,I wont dissapear.Insulting Reggie is an ongoing process.He sucks.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
I think it is very funny that hue jack is back in rotation as a potential hc. That is very good news.
I also think it is too bad he isnt our coach now, and wont be bak.
However if ther is a guy i would want next year n the nfl already give me KYle shanahan.
I LOVE WHAT HE DID WITH THE WCO HYBRID TRIPPLE OPTION /PISTOL AND RGiii
IMAGINE WHAT HE COULD DO WITH PRYOR DHB DMAC REECE FORD MOORE AND STREATER!!!!
DO IT YESTERDAY BIG MACK WE NEED THIS
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That’d be like Brien Schottenheimer coming to be Offensive coordinator.
But with Al Davis gone, that would be ironic, to say the least.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Stfu i don’t need to crosspost, i make legit points, while you are babbling on and on about zone D , DA sucks, reg sucks, etc, etc every freaking day on this site
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Another news flash: All those things mentioned above DO SUCK.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
what? why are you answering that Mcxcuse?…lmao….
December 28th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Shutting out anyone in NFL isn’t easy.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
209.RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I will be teasing the living sht out of this guy when the tranny gets shown the door.
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No you won’t. When it becomes obvious that DA has been retained, you’ll either disappear for a couple of months or start mindlessly insulting Reggie again.
210.DJ Johnny Says:
==================================================== Well,I wont dissapear.Insulting Reggie is an ongoing process.He sucks.
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As long as you have that crow and super sized fries set waiting, once the Raiders completely turn it around next year.
Nothing like proving people wrong.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
why do you think im talking about you mctroll?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Does anyone here really think Hue Jackson is seriously being considered for HC somewhere? I don’t. Show me some good evidence for it.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
December 28th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
what? why are you answering that Mcxcuse?…lmao….
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cuz your too slow, people don’t need to cross post to talk football, i don’t talk about stupid stuff, obviously our team has not done well but repeating the same thing over n over does not give it more validity lol
December 28th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
As the story goes, in 1998 trask wanted to hire belichick and al went with gruden.
Had amy wob out either we would be a lot better right now, or no one would have ever heard of belichick and/or brady.
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In some interview several years back, Belichick was asked why he’d never come to Oakland to work for his good friend Al, and he basically said he didn’t come here because he’d have to run Al’s defense instead of his own.
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he took the interview. had the job been offered he would have been our coach. easy for him to talk big now, but 14 years ago he was just another out of work failed hc.
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That Tom Brady pretty much saved his career…it allowed him to completely focus on defense, and at that time he had Josh McDaniels, Romeo Crennel AND Charlie Weis.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
lol…dont get mad mclicker…its ok for you to be wrong
December 28th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
yeah denver really struggled against us. lmao
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Yeah they did, the first play should have been picked of for TD the other, they were put in really bad situations and still only managed to give up FGs
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Delusional….we gave up 300+ yards passing and way over 100 yards rushing! wow we really checked them
lmfao
December 28th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
As long as you have that crow and super sized fries set waiting, once the Raiders completely turn it around next year.
Nothing like proving people wrong.
I will remember you and that comment.No fkn way this gets turned around next year.Crossposting again Mcfaggen20?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
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Golly Gee we sure are. The gang is starting to believe in DA since witnessing the dismantling of the Mighty Quinn.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
playoffs?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
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I say playoffs in every year, even if we brought guys from Arena league,it wouldn’t be fun to say oh we will suck and watch games? get it? no obviously ur too slow, and dumb, thats why you clinging to 1 prediction all true fans make, I am a fan of this team ,so i will always expect good things whether my team was 16-0 or 0-16 the previous year
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
December 31, 2007, I remember da Raidas debuting another QB in Week 17 against the Chargers. Here’s hoping TP6 shows us more than JaMarcus did and becomes Al’s last gift to his beloved team.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
you talking about playoffs?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
233.Whoknows Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
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Golly Gee we sure are. The gang is starting to believe in DA since witnessing the dismantling of the Mighty Quinn.
Lmfao
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
It’s funny that this whole Pryor thing has delved into what it has.
NEWSFLASH: It is possible to not hate Carson Palmer..and i know it sounds crazy to some of you..but actually ROOT FOR HIM becuz he’s the QB of the Raiders.
ALSO, it IS POSSIBLE to want to find out if Pryor can be a QB for us going forward.
Some of you are determined to turn this into a black/white thing or find it impossible to comprehend rooting for Palmer and god forbid rooting for Pryor too.
Why is that so difficult to grasp? It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Some of us root for whomever is wearing the silver and black. Some root for individual players.
Quit trying to start schytt. ..and you know who you are.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Time for Pryor stat predictions…
I’ll say
22/35 254 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
1 rec 34 yards 1 TD
6 carries 75 yards 1 TD.
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Not bad…as long as we get the win, and even if we lost a shoot out, those numbers give hope.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
meltdown…..
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
We gave up 55 points to a team who fired their OC only a couple of weeks later.
Damn, what a great defense!
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
You are losing an argument when your only comeback is telling me how my prediction of playoffs *all real fans make before the season starts )failed lol
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
cuz your too slow, people don’t need to cross post to talk football, i don’t talk about stupid stuff, obviously our team has not done well but repeating the same thing over n over does not give it more validity lol
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Is that sort of like the stupidity of a coach repeatedly trying to punt the ball with an untrained “backup” long snapper in his 1st game.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
235.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
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I say playoffs in every year, even if we brought guys from Arena league,it wouldn’t be fun to say oh we will suck and watch games? get it? no obviously ur too slow, and dumb, thats why you clinging to 1 prediction all true fans make, I am a fan of this team ,so i will always expect good things whether my team was 16-0 or 0-16 the previous year
=================================================== Thats exactly what makes you the dumbest basrtd on this blog,along with raiderdick that is.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
It’s funny that this whole Pryor thing has delved into what it has.
NEWSFLASH: It is possible to not hate Carson Palmer..and i know it sounds crazy to some of you..but actually ROOT FOR HIM becuz he’s the QB of the Raiders.
ALSO, it IS POSSIBLE to want to find out if Pryor can be a QB for us going forward.
Some of you are determined to turn this into a black/white thing or find it impossible to comprehend rooting for Palmer and god forbid rooting for Pryor too.
Why is that so difficult to grasp? It doesn’t have to be one or the other.
Some of us root for whomever is wearing the silver and black. Some root for individual players.
Quit trying to start schytt. ..and you know who you are.
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the bigger newsflash is Palmer is due 13 million in 2013, Pryor is due 595,000
This kid having a good game will hasten a departure following 2013, or sooner.
On the other hand, Palmer could stay on, and it could just be warming the seat for Pryor in 2014 or another QB.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
exposed…
December 28th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
We gave up 55 points to a team who fired their OC only a couple of weeks later.
Damn, what a great defense!
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Obviously when you have same D which couldn’t force 1 punt with better pass rushers (Wimbley, Seymour) in very important game , you are going to give up points with worse pass rush, but my point is the D has started to play well lately, which is a good sign
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RussianRaider Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
December 31, 2007, I remember da Raidas debuting another QB in Week 17 against the Chargers. Here’s hoping TP6 shows us more than JaMarcus did and becomes Al’s last gift to his beloved team.
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How cool what that be? As unrealistic as it sounds…if I guy just believed in himself and let the game come to him…
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
247.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
exposed…
He was exposed along time ago.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Who let the retard jokefoshow in the room. Get him back in his cage.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
235.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Hey Mcfaggen20,are we going to the playoffs next year? LOL..
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I say playoffs in every year, even if we brought guys from Arena league,it wouldn’t be fun to say oh we will suck and watch games? get it? no obviously ur too slow, and dumb, thats why you clinging to 1 prediction all true fans make, I am a fan of this team ,so i will always expect good things whether my team was 16-0 or 0-16 the previous year
=================================================== Thats exactly what makes you the dumbest basrtd on this blog,along with raiderdick that is.
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Oh I’m dumb cuz my prediction failed? hahaha lets hear ur smartness, and smart comments, lets see great fire reggie comments
December 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
We gave up 55 points to a team who fired their OC only a couple of weeks later.
Damn, what a great defense!
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Obviously when you have same D which couldn’t force 1 punt with better pass rushers (Wimbley, Seymour) in very important game , you are going to give up points with worse pass rush, but my point is the D has started to play well lately, which is a good sign
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Either they stopped the Broncos and held them to field goals while forcing Manning into a sack and loss of yardage…
Or John Fox took his foot off the gas to avoid humiliating former assistant Dennis Allen even further….
December 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
You are losing an argument when your only comeback is telling me how my prediction of playoffs *all real fans make before the season starts )failed lol
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Speak for yourself dumbass.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Sunday Night:
Reggie: Hey Dennis, name three areas where you have improved the Raiders over the past year.
Dennis Allen: Well, Pryor can now run the huddle a little better, Palmer threw for 4000 yards even though we couldn’t score….and and, well Brandon Myers was good!
Reggie: You are fired. Sorry buddy.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Why the eff are we always starting season against a Division foe and ending against one of those teams?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
DAs calling card is coaching DBs….he really had limited success as the DC in Denver.
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He did not have limited success, his D was playing lights out, from start to end, did you not see his D keeping broncos in the game with Tebow going 3 n outs
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His Defense finished at #20, dumbass.
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20 is higher than 32nd, thats for sure.
and the “no.1 defense” hasnt won a Super Bowl since 2000 (Ravens)
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
We gave up 55 points to a team who fired their OC only a couple of weeks later.
Damn, what a great defense!
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Obviously when you have same D which couldn’t force 1 punt with better pass rushers (Wimbley, Seymour) in very important game , you are going to give up points with worse pass rush, but my point is the D has started to play well lately, which is a good sign
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Either they stopped the Broncos and held them to field goals while forcing Manning into a sack and loss of yardage…
Or John Fox took his foot off the gas to avoid humiliating former assistant Dennis Allen even further….
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yeah sure whatever makes you feel good
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Oh I’m dumb cuz my prediction failed? hahaha lets hear ur smartness, and smart comments, lets see great fire reggie comments
===================================================== OK. I ran into Reggie on a camping trip recently and asked what the hell was wrong with his bottom lip.He spit a live fish out his mouth and responded “GOONY GOO GOO”.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Post 34, Dakota, you do understand that Snake sat for 5 years before starting, right?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
TP just needs to have a decent game and Palmer is gone.
Owed $17 mil? Ha, spend that on some other “players” like defense. TP having a good game means Raiders in rebuild mode.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
when you have FB acting as qb, and you finish at #20 def, i think u did good job
December 28th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
So yes or no to T.J. Lang being our starting RT next year?
December 28th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
when you have FB acting as qb, and you finish at #20 def, i think u did good job
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Yup. Tebow only had those wins because DA’s defense kept the Broncos in the game in the first place.
December 28th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Looks like our D is ranked 21st. That’s about up to par for DA.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
because they are supposed to mean something smartaszs….games that should decide the playoff contender…but nobody expected this level of stupidity that DA/reggie brought…
December 28th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
when you have FB acting as qb, and you finish at #20 def, i think u did good job
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Yup. Tebow only had those wins because DA’s defense kept the Broncos in the game in the first place.
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Yup, he obviously had great pass rushers as well, i think he will do great things with this D if we can just get a couple good pass rushers
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
a bootlicker love fest go at it boys….
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
251.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Who let the retard jokefoshow in the room. Get him back in his cage.
HEY, the big millionair who worked his way from Indianna to Umm Sunnyvale is here to spout some laughable bullsht.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
KNapp should be fired when the game ends at 4 pm
December 28th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
251.dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Who let the retard jokefoshow in the room. Get him back in his cage.
HEY, the big millionair who worked his way from Indianna to Umm Sunnyvale is here to spout some laughable bullsht.
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He’s obviously correct when he called you retard
December 28th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
even tarfur is saying mark pimp slapped DA!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
a bootlicker love fest go at it boys….
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bootlicker, troll, zone scheme, DA sucks, knapp sucks, Reg Sucks, is that all you talk about ever?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Big difference between Russell and Pryor one was NFL ready but didn’t give 100% effort, Pryor was more raw but has worked his ass off and made himself into a legit NFL QB……….simple
It’s all in the approach…
December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
270.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
KNapp should be fired when the game ends at 4 pm
The same guy who’s nutsack you were all over when you predicted playoffs?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
The it factor or the SH!T factor?
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# Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
must be the “it” factor DA has….lmao
December 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
just when it comes to you DAV…
December 28th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Mcfaggen20,would you like to make a wager on playoffs next year?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
270.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
KNapp should be fired when the game ends at 4 pm
The same guy who’s nutsack you were all over when you predicted playoffs?
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LOL i never liked Knapp, i just wanted to see how the O does as it gets more comfortable with it , after week 6 or so , i freaking wanted him gone
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
hendu Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Post 34, Dakota, you do understand that Snake sat for 5 years before starting, right?
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Ancient history.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
wtf ever…never liked knapp! you licked his blls for 3/4ths of the season! this is getting funnier by the minute!
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Raiders would make playoffs every year in their existence, there i said it, but in reality i know this won’t happen if we bring back Knapp and if don’t upgrade several positions
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
282.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Raiders would make playoffs every year in their existence, there i said it, but in reality i know this won’t happen if we bring back Knapp and if don’t upgrade several positions
No faith in goony goo goo huh?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
wtf ever…never liked knapp! you licked his blls for 3/4ths of the season! this is getting funnier by the minute!
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I don’t like Knapp, never liked him, but wanted to wait till atleast week 6 to trully judge his play calling and etc etc
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
If Pryor comtinues to work and stay hungry he will cancel out what Russell did and give us even more than Russell EVER would’ve. I hope Palmer stays here for at least another year to further tutor Pryor he has been an absolute godsent for the kid the Raiders would be wise to give him whatever he wants because with him their getting to starters without him their getting one QB with all-world potential but without a mentor.
Pryor would develope twice as fast with Plamer here than elsewhere. We can start Palmer next yera and use Pryor extensively and gradually move Pryor into that spot and make an almost seamless transition. It would make this team so much stronger. If Palmer goes down again you have a young dynamic QB ready to take it from there and win bigtime. As I have tried to tell everyone don’t look at Pryor’s stats look at his competiveness and leadership and watch this kid win games on pure drive and WANT TO. The stats are for stats freaks I want wins……..period
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
282.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Raiders would make playoffs every year in their existence, there i said it, but in reality i know this won’t happen if we bring back Knapp and if don’t upgrade several positions
No faith in goony goo goo huh?
000
Who the f8ck is goony goo goo lol
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Pryor is the most talented player on the team.
I look forward to seeing him play.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Pryors future is in pryors hands, if he keeps on working and hones his skills every day, the sky is the limit, he needs work ethic of KOBE
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
286.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
282.mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Raiders would make playoffs every year in their existence, there i said it, but in reality i know this won’t happen if we bring back Knapp and if don’t upgrade several positions
No faith in goony goo goo huh?
000
Who the f8ck is goony goo goo lol
Reggie the bigfeet
December 28th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
If Pryor succeeds, I’ll be grinning from ear to ear, if he fails = oh well atleast we didn’t waste #1 pick on him or something
December 28th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
They need to start Reece and Pryor.
They are our two most talented players.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
I have faith in this management, obviously they didn’t come into very good situation, even freaking expansion teams had it better, all the money to throw at FA , all the draft picks, no dead weight to cut , etc etc
December 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I don’t want DA to stay but TP would give him a good reason to fire his “Buddy” Knapp. If TP plays well DA good say we need to bring a OC who runs a offense that would utilize TP correctly.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
If Adams and Ross can keep on improving, they deserve to come back and play for starting positions next year, then we won’t have to worry about CB position , only FS position to worry about, and if Berg can show he can take over RT or RG then we won’t have to worry about one of that position either , which will just scratch 2 headaches of the list, and little less to worry about
December 28th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Run DA and napp outta town before the game.
Let carson take over play calling duties.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
But for injuries to key players on the steelers and the jags, we have two wins right now.
DA needs to go.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pryor is going to be judged on this 1 game???? GTFOH
December 28th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Pryor will balll out, then compete next year…
This one game judgement day is dumb as fck
December 28th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
WOULD GETTING RID OF KNAPP HELP OR HINDER PRYOR FOR NEXT YEAR?
December 28th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pryor is going to be judged on this 1 game???? GTFOH
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Sort of..
It is what it is. Look at Matt Flynn=1 game
December 28th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Mr. Davis is the owner… He forced that lying POS DA, and that used car salesmen napp to play TP.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Sort of..
It is what it is. Look at Matt Flynn=1 game
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Huh?????
Flynn got a ton of reps in GB, also got a start or two, and played a ton in games.
Then he gets beat out by a rook…Two diffrent scenarios.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I am out once again….
The org should cut bait wirh DA napp and this lame azz D…Tarver included.
Burn it down….
1N
December 28th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
DA let Reggie down bigtime he was way too stubborn and trusting in his coaches who proved they were not ready for such trust. Knapp has a very good playbook and concept. It’s his inability to recognize talent and how to use it to get the best out of it. His playcalling shows he has no idea how to attack different schemes and teams. His playcalling lacks any vision and creativity.
His gameplans are never geared to attack the weakness in his opponent all he is focused on is running his offense. This will not change no matter how long he’s here he is just way to limited in his gameplanning. You could easily upgrade their with most NFL calibre OC’s I would even take DeFilippo and have Saunders be his assistant for gameplans. That way you don’t lose continuity. That way Pryor has the same guy in his ear next year.
Tarver has shown me he is a keeper he has rallied the troops in recent weeks. I’m really scared of the double agent I just don’t see what I’d like to see from him with game management and talent management. The Oline has GOT TO GO bring back Steve Wiz and let him have it from here on out.
More than anything make sure they get Pryor all the help he needs to get reayd to make this team a bigtime contender in the very near future.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Sort of..
It is what it is. Look at Matt Flynn=1 game
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Huh?????
Flynn got a ton of reps in GB, also got a start or two, and played a ton in games.
Then he gets beat out by a rook…Two diffrent scenarios.
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No
Matt Flynn started the final game of the season against the Detroit Lions at lit is up. Thats it.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Mr. Davis is the owner… He forced that lying POS DA, and that used car salesmen napp to play TP.
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I believe this with every thing in me. TP6 doesn’t even dress if Mark doesn’t speak up. This start never happens unless he forces the GM to talk to the coach.
Tarver IMO has somewhat redeemed himself I see something there I see a young coach who has his finger on the pulse of his unit. They play for him I also have to admit I saw the double agent even motivating the D along with Tarver.
But I just don’t see the double agent as a HC at ths point he really screwed us this year he is way too narrow minded in his approach and stubborn. There’s no there there IOW’s.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
reality is they see nothing in Lienart that tells them he should be brought back, there are a lot of things to look forward to regarding Pryor
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
In short IMHO Hue Jackson could coach rings around DA it isn’t even close……….period
December 28th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Pryors future is in pryors hands, if he keeps on working and hones his skills every day, the sky is the limit, he needs work ethic of KOBE
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He doesn’t NEED it, he HAS it….
December 28th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
JEEZUS! Pryor? Of course! Why play our #2 QB who has actually started in the NFL over the #3 who has never started. Someone got a hold of DA’s short hairs and he caved. He’s more concerned with keeping his job than winning this game.
December 28th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Dakota,post 280, learn from it, Snake had 5 years, TP only 2. Give the young man a break….
December 28th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Oldschoolraider Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
JEEZUS! Pryor? Of course! Why play our #2 QB who has actually started in the NFL over the #3 who has never started. Someone got a hold of DA’s short hairs and he caved. He’s more concerned with keeping his job than winning this game.
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You are talking about playing Matt “noodle arm” Leinart. LOL!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
The guy I want for OC next year is Dennis (drum roll) thadaadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadadad Green.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Thec Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Pryor is going to be judged on this 1 game???? GTFOH
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The naysayers will wait to see if he plays poorly and say “See we told ya’ he doesn’t have it”. If he plays well they’ll say well it’s just one game he got lucky because they had no film on him. Whatever happens they have a response to discredit the kid.
The thing is it’s one step in his developement………period No matter how well or how poorly he plays it’s his 1st start with very little preparation prior to this week. Just get to the offseason where he can get better and come to camp and continue to get better getting him ready to be the eventual leader for this franchise. That is the plan everyone at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway should have. Anything else doesn’t help it hurts….period
December 28th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I want to see Houston put the hurt on Rivers.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
In short IMHO Hue Jackson could coach rings around DA it isn’t even close……….period
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He did a pretty bad job last year. Why would you say that, not knowing?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
In short IMHO Hue Jackson could coach rings around DA it isn’t even close……….period
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He did a pretty bad job last year. Why would you say that, not knowing?
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Because DA was nothing short of horrible this year..
December 28th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
In short IMHO Hue Jackson could coach rings around DA it isn’t even close……….period
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Agreed…but most importantly, the team bought into Hue.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
This post from Kell pretty much details that Hue was pretty bad.
DA did bad, but so did Hue.
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Hard to argue with this.
RaiderRan Says:
December 26th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
People keep saying we have no talent, well it’s easy to say that when the coaches ignore half of it.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Sad is that neither Mark, or his old man had a clue on hiring head coaches. The downfall of this organization.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Good FA LB prospect for us next year and has ties to DA: Scott Shanle
Local media and even Shanle is conceding this weekend probably his final game as a Saint.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
People keep saying we have no talent, well it’s easy to say that when the coaches ignore half of it.
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And what mysterious “talent” has the coaching staff been ignoring? Do tell.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
That entire post says nothing but detail that Hue was hamstrung by a terrible DC. Every poor record was attributed to the defense.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
People comparing Tomlin to Allen.
Remember, Tomlin also didn’t totally alter the D and O schemes, didn’t remove the entire coaching staff. He fit in with the same program, just taking over from Cowher, same car different driver.
Allen fvcked up by trashing everything and starting from scratch.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
People keep saying we have no talent, well it’s easy to say that when the coaches ignore half of it.
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Bold statement. Can you back it up, though?
What talent was ignored?
Please don’t say Pryor. By his own words, and whats obvious is no one knows if he’s talent, or not. That’s speculation.
Other than that, who?
No one I can see. Those who deserved to get in, got in. Right?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
That entire post says nothing but detail that Hue was hamstrung by a terrible DC. Every poor record was attributed to the defense.
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Sounds like a dig on Al? yes, no?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
People comparing Tomlin to Allen.
Remember, Tomlin also didn’t totally alter the D and O schemes, didn’t remove the entire coaching staff. He fit in with the same program, just taking over from Cowher, same car different driver.
Allen fvcked up by trashing everything and starting from scratch.
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Tomlin took over a successful team in a stable organization. DA…not so much.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
#319…Those are all defensive statistics…You do realize Hue was stuck with a DC he didn’t want correct? I think all us “Hue lovers” agreed he needed to find his own DC.
What did the offensive stats look like compared to previous coaches?
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Please people Tomlin is an idiot. Go look at Baltimore game where he screwed up clock mgmt. The guy is known around the league for that.
He BARRY SWITZERED a team to a super bowl.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Last I checked the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on. That’s the definition of his job. If we give Hue a pass because of his DC, then I assume you want to give DA a pass because of his OC?
Can’t have it both ways
December 28th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
One is starting Sunday others have been detailed ad-naseum look ‘em up.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Last I checked the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on. That’s the definition of his job. If we give Hue a pass because of his DC, then I assume you want to give DA a pass because of his OC?
Can’t have it both ways
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LOL! DA screwed up the defense too…What do you think Hue should have done differently when he didn’t get Dennis Thurman in here & had to go with Bresnahan?
Here’s a big difference.
Tits CHOSE Knapp.
Hue didn’t choose Bresnahan.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Another thing, if Pryor lights it up, you don’t trade him to another team.
Flynn situation was different. Rodgers is young and elite. Flynn they know wasn’t that great.
Here…Palmer is a splendid QB, but he’s over the hill and over-expensive.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Last I checked the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on. That’s the definition of his job. If we give Hue a pass because of his DC, then I assume you want to give DA a pass because of his OC?
Can’t have it both ways
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Sure, i’m good with that, but look at their respective records and I think Hue had twice the adversity.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Finally, this Sunday either Pryor shows a glimmer of being an NFL QB or he looks just like Lienert did last week.
We might be able to put this debate to bed after this weekend.
Good luck though TP, I’m rooting for you.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Glad Pryor got in, but please, stop with saying he became the starter over CP.
Injuries is why Leinart got in.
And absolute ugly play by Leinart is why the 3rd string qb is getting in.
DA and Reg want a win. Bad. CP is out. Leinart showed he is just terrible. Pryor is 3rd in line, and DA is hoping he can get the team the win.
Be realistic. If TP wins the game, DA gets credit for not putting in Leinart. If TP loses the game, DA answer will be “looking at the roster at this point”.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
DA had the advantage of a very good QB the entire year almost. His GM is still living and no where near the injuries. DA had all the advantages with and entire offseason it goes on and on. He did a HORRIBLE job getting this team competitive.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Twocents post 319, you put my name on it, but nothing that follows I said.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Pryor is in his 1st start Leinart was NOT he is a 5 year vet there is NO comparison……….stop it!
December 28th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Easy to see that reg should have hired a HC with experence. I am glad, though, that Palmer’s injury led to finding out that matt has to go, and we get to find out if pryor is the answer.
a win/win
December 28th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
GG#334 They know Pryor aint going anywhere anytime soon the owner has spoken. They can wish and hope all they want. Pryor will be groomed to be the starter all he has to do is keep doing what he’s been doing………..period
December 28th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
The buildup to see Pryor is probably a lot more than he welcomes, or deserves.
Far too many games that were out of reach both #2 and #3 qb’s should have gotten snaps.
That’s bad coaching
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Well, all I’m willing to say is, that Reggie & Mark at least want to see Pryor play, for roster reasons.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Where is this ‘the owner has spoken’?
All I saw was him stating he would like to see diffeent players get playing time, including Pryor, when he was asked.
I think he also made it very clear he was not speaking as the owner, but as a casual fan who’s interested in seeing players get snaps.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
DA had the advantage of a very good QB the entire year almost. His GM is still living and no where near the injuries. DA had all the advantages with and entire offseason it goes on and on. He did a HORRIBLE job getting this team competitive.
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No injuries??? Are you serious? Both starting CBs knocked out for at least half the year, both starting WRs missing multiple games, and DMac doing his usual “someone breathed on me too hard, causing me to miss six games” shtick.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest #342…yep. Just trying to demonstrate to some people that a good game by Pryor is good news for us in terms of 2013 and beyond, Pryor continuing to work towards being the full-time starter. And not a Flynn-like situation.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Well, all I’m willing to say is, that Reggie & Mark at least want to see Pryor play, for roster reasons.
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Of course. They want to see what they have, and doubtlessly told DA this loss wouldn’t be held against him.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
a bootlicker love fest go at it boys….
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bootlicker, troll, zone scheme, DA sucks, knapp sucks, Reg Sucks, is that all you talk about ever?
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That is a good point. In fact, it would apply to about 85% of posters.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Leinart screwed the pooch …..period
Pryor is just getting his feet wet, as a coach you would have to be a complete MORON to draw hard and fast conclusion on his first start. Eventho I think he will acquit himself Sunday I know he will have some rough spots but I’ll bet you he will excite Raiders fans all over the world.
I told you guys that when they see this kid the will fall in love with his will to win. He competes better than any QB we have you will see evidence of that on Sunday.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Well, all I’m willing to say is, that Reggie & Mark at least want to see Pryor play, for roster reasons.
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That, and a win would help their job security.
Not hard to figure out the lumps in their throat after seeing Leinarts play.
Ending the season with a W is top priority of both of them, I would think. That W helps figure the roster out, for sure.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Easy to see that reg should have hired a HC with experence. I am glad, though, that Palmer’s injury led to finding out that matt has to go, and we get to find out if pryor is the answer.
a win/win
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I think thats something everyone can agree on. I dont know if Reg had “HC with experience” type money to spend (this time around)
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
DA had the advantage of a very good QB the entire year almost. His GM is still living and no where near the injuries. DA had all the advantages with and entire offseason it goes on and on. He did a HORRIBLE job getting this team competitive.
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No injuries??? Are you serious? Both starting CBs knocked out for at least half the year, both starting WRs missing multiple games, and DMac doing his usual “someone breathed on me too hard, causing me to miss six games” shtick.
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You left out Seymour, who was viewed as the best player on d.
By some. Not me, but some.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Well, all I’m willing to say is, that Reggie & Mark at least want to see Pryor play, for roster reasons.
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That, and a win would help their job security.
Not hard to figure out the lumps in their throat after seeing Leinarts play.
Ending the season with a W is top priority of both of them, I would think. That W helps figure the roster out, for sure.
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Could also be the difference between them taking a QB in the next draft. Quite a significant start for Pryor could be beginning of new era (the real beginning)
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Everyone will point to his stats good or bad, but what I want Raider fans to notice is his will to win. He is a winner………..period
December 28th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
You left out Seymour, who was viewed as the best player on d.
By some. Not me, but some.
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According to what I read in the Premium section of the forbidden website, Seymour was medically cleared to come back weeks ago, but just didn’t want to. He, Kelly and McClain really turned into slugs this year (McClain’s always been a slug, but it just got worse).
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Lol there’s still a “premium” section at that sink-hole
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Thought I was seeing double, or triple, while reading through the posts.
Hey Koolkell? Whats up with posting the same thing, 3x in a row, within minutes?
You ok?
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• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Seymour on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
According to what I read in the Premium section of the forbidden website, Seymour was medically cleared to come back weeks ago, but just didn’t want to. He, Kelly and McClain really turned into slugs this year (McClain’s always been a slug, but it just got worse).
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Slander.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Lol there’s still a “premium” section at that sink-hole
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Do you even know the site I’m referring to? Gotta tell you, having moderated forums makes all the difference in the world.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Of course i know the site, i got rail-roaded out of there with plenty others and perma-banned.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Was back around 2007 or 2008 when that happened. Had been there since about 2004/5 before then.
December 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Found this rumor after the Cable firing…
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About the McDaniels rumor?
“Haha, yea right. Moss told a story to some of the guys about him and it almost sounded like a Kiffin clone but ten times worse. The one I like the most out of all of them was when he had his first draft, I guess he thought out of the many who enter the draft, only 33 players where on his draft board. This punk had only 33 names on his board as “worthy on being on this team” and the rest is history. Al would not bring that guy here.”
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DA=McDaniels
December 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Was back around 2007 or 2008 when that happened. Had been there since about 2004/5 before then.
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What got you banned, if you don’t mind me asking?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
You left out Seymour, who was viewed as the best player on d.
By some. Not me, but some.
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According to what I read in the Premium section of the forbidden website, Seymour was medically cleared to come back weeks ago, but just didn’t want to. He, Kelly and McClain really turned into slugs this year (McClain’s always been a slug, but it just got worse).
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McClain is worthless, but at least he never lipped off to the other staff.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Seymour has an arthrtic knee and an ankle.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Everyone will point to his stats good or bad, but what I want Raider fans to notice is his will to win. He is a winner………..period
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Color me tainted, but I believe that pretty much everyone in the NFL has the will to win. the desire. to get to the NFL you had to beat out tens of thousands of players through the years, from peewee through college. Some don’t get the job done, with the game on the line, but I really don’t believe it has anything to do with the will to win. It’s execution. Some try their hearts out, and fail. Others do it effortlessly. I’m not going to say that natural talent has more will, just more talent.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
This place is 1000x better than there due to minimal moderation. Over there mods/admin had little cliques and ganged up on people unfairly. Plus the scam of the premium section and all those t-shirts/etc that people paid for and never got. Candy was a very nice person/mod/admin who ended up getting shafted as well.
From the big clean out that occurred around 2008 a number of new forums opened, Outlawz was the best one, but I still prefer this place overall.
Just wish we had actual forum tools…quoting, tagging, etc etc. And people forced to register with a username so we dont get people posting under other people’s names. That’s very unfortunate.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
McClain is worthless, but at least he never lipped off to the other staff.
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Of course not, because the other staff never got in his face and told him “We’re demoting you to backup. Now go play some special teams.”
December 28th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Was back around 2007 or 2008 when that happened. Had been there since about 2004/5 before then.
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What got you banned, if you don’t mind me asking?
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Forget his name, but the guy from New York. He wasn’t a mod, but was tight with them, and used to PM me how he was gonna get me, and bragging about how he’s friends with Bob and all the other mods.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Last I checked the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on. That’s the definition of his job. If we give Hue a pass because of his DC, then I assume you want to give DA a pass because of his OC?
Can’t have it both ways
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DA doesn’t get a pass cuz in his area of expertise (defense) he failed where Hue excelled.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
According to what I read in the Premium section of the forbidden website, Seymour was medically cleared to come back weeks ago, but just didn’t want to. He, Kelly and McClain really turned into slugs this year (McClain’s always been a slug, but it just got worse).
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Slander
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No, it’s libel.
Slander is spoken. Libel is in print
December 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
His talent will be obvious, I like the way he competes which speaks to his will to win. In this league their are those with tremendous talent who will buckle under extreme pressure. Late in games when it’s much tougher to compete you’ll see what I mean.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
This place is 1000x better than there due to minimal moderation. Over there mods/admin had little cliques and ganged up on people unfairly. Plus the scam of the premium section and all those t-shirts/etc that people paid for and never got. Candy was a very nice person/mod/admin who ended up getting shafted as well.
From the big clean out that occurred around 2008 a number of new forums opened, Outlawz was the best one, but I still prefer this place overall.
Just wish we had actual forum tools…quoting, tagging, etc etc. And people forced to register with a username so we dont get people posting under other people’s names. That’s very unfortunate.
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I haven’t noticed anyone ganging up on anyone else when I’ve been over there, and the moderation is nice. Sometimes Ibabuzz is cool, but too often it feels like Beavis and Butthead became Raider fans and started posting here.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Last I checked the head coach is responsible for everything that goes on. That’s the definition of his job. If we give Hue a pass because of his DC, then I assume you want to give DA a pass because of his OC?
Can’t have it both ways
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DA doesn’t get a pass cuz in his area of expertise (defense) he failed where Hue excelled.
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? Hue excelled? The offense excelled? Last year? Granted the defense was bad, but the offense sure didn’t excel.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
The HC is paid to win Hue Jackson 8-8, DA 4-11 nuff said.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
What forbidden web-site are we speaking? Or is the keyword forbidden? (things are forbidden here?)
December 28th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
8-8 is not winning.
It’s like saying you want a 4-12 coach over a 2-14 coach.
Here’s a topper.
All Hue had to do was get the team to win one more game out of the last 5 to get in playoffs. And he couldn’t do it. Doesn’t that matter?
Does to me.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
What forbidden web-site are we speaking? Or is the keyword forbidden? (things are forbidden here?)
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raider
fans
dot
net
If you try typing that website out the normal way, your post will be deleted when you click “Submit.” In addition, Ibabuzz is now auto-deleting posts if you have a website linked to your screen name they don’t like. Try changing your listed website to one of the forbidden ones, and try posting. You’ll never see it.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
All DA has had to do was make us better HE FAILED!!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
For instance, in my next post, I’ll type out
God
Is
Imaginary
dot
com
as a regular URL. Watch what happens.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
See what I mean?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
All DA has had to do was make us better HE FAILED!!
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He did a better job than Hue would have with this team.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Sure that is very easy to say…..now prove it.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Sure that is very easy to say…..now prove it.
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Prove that Hue would have done better than DA with this team.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
You made the ignorant statement I simply said. HC’s are paid to win 8-8/4-11……there is my proof.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Trade Palmer or DMC for a 2nd.
1- DT Star Lotulelie
2- CB Amerson or Rhodes
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
December 28th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Sure that is very easy to say…..now prove it.
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Prove that Hue would have done better than DA with this team.
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Need to respond to bulls hit hypotheticals when Hue was 8-8 and DA is 4-11
December 28th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
It’s obvious Terrell is starting to solidify backup next year. Why pay lienert too much after his showing last week if TP is ready to move up….
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
All DA has had to do was make us better HE FAILED!!
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He did a better job than Hue would have with this team.
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Is that a fact? lol
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Coaching no pro bowlers! Oh yeh it’s the coaches fault!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
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That is a FACT Jack!!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
6′6 240 white dude who runs a 4.3 40?
That’s hard to imagine. lol
December 28th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Reggie fires hue for da
You guys say fire da cause hue better
Why not fire Reggie… Cause he is black?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
I think Mike works on the opposite side of the building of Priest?
It ain’t 1st time Mike is pro Allen/Knapp/Palmer!
December 28th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Don’t forget Reggie !
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Blackhole Priest,
Do me a favor bro and tell me i should be excited about Mr. Pryor.
I need something.
You really think he is the man?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
I say Reggie should be definitely on the hotseat for the regression of this team once he took over Reggie gets NO PASS from me. I wouldn’t mind if they went elsewhere as long as it’s someone experienced.
I think Reggie can get players that much I don’t question. His ability to select coaches however he should be releaved of that responsibility and give it to someone with a lot more experience.
Reggie really screwed up bad selecting his first coach… and he needs to pay for that in some way. But I hold Mark Davis just as much responsible for this mess as I do Reggie. he gave Reggie Carte Blanch before he was ready.
But I’ll give Mark and Reggie room to improve seeing as how they are rookies and it was bound to happen IMO. They have a lot to learn…
December 28th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I get it now, Koolkell.
You’re not just a drunk. You’re a bitter backasswards racist hick drunk.
Everyone cares who the Raiders qb is, you dumbass. No one except you cares what the color is.
Here, you fall down drunk, explain why you stupidly posted the following, within minutes of each other.
Let me help you.
YOU’RE A DRUNK. Now shut up, you inebriated joke.
Oaktown1 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Thought I was seeing double, or triple, while reading through the posts.
Hey Koolkell? Whats up with posting the same thing, 3x in a row, within minutes?
You ok?
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• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Seymour on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
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Pryor is making the headlines on his own because he is starting. The media hasn’t forgotten about him. So maybe the media is whitey.
The question should be who’s going to forget about him if he sucks sht this Sunday?
December 28th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I was thinking about what I said in my prev post, and the only white dude I can think of is WR/ QB Matt Jones.
He was 6′5 230 and ran 4.3 at the combine. He was a solid WR, he was a QB in college, but he had drug issues so he didn’t last long.
Too bad, I liked that kid.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Seymour on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
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Yeah, what’s up with that Kell?
How can you not know you just copied and pasted the same comment, total of three times, in a few minutes?
Maybe everyone is right about you, lol.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
394.Raider O Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
6′6 240 white dude who runs a 4.3 40?
That’s hard to imagine. lol
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Not quite. I’ve seen it. Dude played QB and WR at Arkansas and was 1st rnd pick of Jaguars not too long ago. Played WR for Jags but flamed out on Cocaine. Matt was his first name.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
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Pryor is making the headlines on his own because he is starting. The media hasn’t forgotten about him. So maybe the media is whitey.
The question should be who’s going to forget about him if he sucks sht this Sunday?
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I’m not talking about the media, I’m talking about you people.
December 28th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I’ve seen Pryor listed at 6′4, then I see 6′6. I think he looks more like 6′6.
I’d love to see him fire a few lazers on a rope and a couple of deep balls.
One thing I don’t want to see is him get yanked after a 3 and out.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
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Pryor is making the headlines on his own because he is starting. The media hasn’t forgotten about him. So maybe the media is whitey.
The question should be who’s going to forget about him if he sucks sht this Sunday?
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I’m not talking about the media, I’m talking about you people.
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KK, I’m not white.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I just feel when you give someone free reign they should have to have proven they deserve it. Mark Davis handed his org. over to Reggie with no experience at all. You cannot do that Reggie has never selected a coach before how do you know he knows what he is doing?
Just because you can run a draft and pick players doesn’t mean you are a GM. It just means you are a personnel man. Ken Herock or Ron Wolfe sshould’ve stayed and helped Mark groom Reggie. Stop him from making obvious mistakes.
So to a certain extent Mark is responsible. However Reggie should’ve got someone to coach and develope the players who has proven track record. For him to get a rookie coach was just DUMB and Mark should’ve put a stop to it. Why fire a coach who knows your team and had them playing for him to get a guy who has zero track record to waste a year learing what Hue already knew. That was just dumb. But hopefully they can clean out the bad and if their is some good recognize that and keep it. But if DA tries to keep Knapp I would fire him on the SPOT….period
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Like the poster said, Kell, you’re a racist azzhole, always ready to play the race card.
You’re such an attention whore, aren’t you, lol?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Reggie gets NO PASS from me.
Reggie really screwed up bad selecting his first coach… and he needs to pay for that in some way.
But I hold Mark Davis just as much responsible for this mess as I do Reggie.
But I’ll give Mark and Reggie room to improve seeing as how they are rookies and it was bound to happen IMO.
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LMFAO.
You actually act like you matter.
YOU hold Mark responsible?
YOU’LL give them room to improve?
Reggie needs to pay?
You’re a flea, priest, nothing more. A poster on a blog who’s sitting here acting like you are tantamount to more than a bug.
You’ve made so many moronic predictions/guarantees through the years, many would say you shouldn’t leave the house without supervision.
Funny stuff, man.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
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Pryor is making the headlines on his own because he is starting. The media hasn’t forgotten about him. So maybe the media is whitey.
The question should be who’s going to forget about him if he sucks sht this Sunday?
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I’m not talking about the media, I’m talking about you people.
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KK, I’m not white.
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You people refers to people of a same mentality, not race.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I just feel when you give someone free reign they should have to have proven they deserve it. Mark Davis handed his org. over to Reggie with no experience at all. You cannot do that Reggie has never selected a coach before how do you know he knows what he is doing?
Just because you can run a draft and pick players doesn’t mean you are a GM. It just means you are a personnel man. Ken Herock or Ron Wolfe sshould’ve stayed and helped Mark groom Reggie. Stop him from making obvious mistakes.
So to a certain extent Mark is responsible. However Reggie should’ve got someone to coach and develope the players who has proven track record. For him to get a rookie coach was just DUMB and Mark should’ve put a stop to it. Why fire a coach who knows your team and had them playing for him to get a guy who has zero track record to waste a year learing what Hue already knew. That was just dumb. But hopefully they can clean out the bad and if their is some good recognize that and keep it. But if DA tries to keep Knapp I would fire him on the SPOT….period
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Ever hear of a guy named Trent Balke?
Given a job as GM?
Never was a GM before? (BTW, every single GM in the league wasn’t a GM before they got their first GM job, you dope.)
That Balke guy, in his first year as GM, got Executive of the Year.
Oh, he was hired by Jed York, basically a kid who’s also raw.
Stop with your silly analogies. You’re becoming embarrassing.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
KOOL KELL has been an attention whore since day 1
December 28th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
I missed your answer Kell.
C’mon man, you post this sh*t. At least man up and take your medicine.
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Seymour on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
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Yeah, what’s up with that Kell?
How can you not know you just copied and pasted the same comment, total of three times, in a few minutes?
Maybe everyone is right about you, lol.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
>>>
You mean if Tebow was on the team?
I’d still say the dude can’t THROW.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
You people refers to people of a same mentality, not race.
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Huh? ok. Anyways KK hope you have a good New Year and I’m hoping Pryor kicks ass this Sunday.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lets not kid ourselves, we weren’t going to give Patriots, Ravens run for their money with anybody coaching this year, basically you want to blame DA because he didn’t get chance to hire top guys at OC and Special teams and was saddled with worst pass rush in the league?
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This excuse stuff is somewhat valid.
The point you do not talk about is the coaches total lack of adjustment. That same mistake over and over and over.
Not utilizing Reese and Jones and Ausbbury. No excuse for those mistakes.
Just piss poor coaching and lack of vision and creativity.
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Exactly!
The Hue haters and DA/Knapp lovers have ZERO credibility!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
You people refers to people of a same mentality, not race.
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Huh? ok. Anyways KK hope you have a good New Year and I’m hoping Pryor kicks ass this Sunday.
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Same to you Bro.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Pre-draftAt the NFL Combine, Jones, measured in at 6′ 6″ tall, weighed 237 pounds and recorded scores during the tests that showed speed and explosive ability that had not been seen before in a player of his size. These scores earned him the nickname “The Freak” from the coaches and athletes in attendance. These scores included being timed between 4.37 and 4.40 seconds in the 40-yard dash, a 39.5″ vertical jump, and a 10′ 10″ broad jump.
[edit] Jacksonville JaguarsJones, a college quarterback, was selected by the Jacksonville Jaguars as a wide receiver in the first round (21st overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
KOOL KELL has been an attention whore since day 1
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LOL. You are so right.
Want proof, anyone who doubts?
Go look at the last 30 posts or so, from Kell. Without looking I can guarantee you that at least 20 of them are ONE SENTENCE COMMENTS, USUALLY INSULTS, directed at a poster that is not even talking to him.
All designed to get attention.
That’s what attention whores do.
LOOK AT ME. TALK TO ME. WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING ME??
So they toss out an insult, hoping for a reply. Then they say it again, and again.
LIKE YOU DID ON YOUR 3PEAT ABOVE, LOL, KELL.
See, I knew that. Wanted to see if you have the balls to admit you’re a small attention whore.
Borrow your wifes balls, and give it a try.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
LMAO knowing that kell is counting his last 30 posts, seeing how close I am.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
So to a certain extent Mark is responsible. However Reggie should’ve got someone to coach and develope the players who has proven track record. For him to get a rookie coach was just DUMB and Mark should’ve put a stop to it. Why fire a coach who knows your team and had them playing for him to get a guy who has zero track record to waste a year learing what Hue already knew. That was just dumb. But hopefully they can clean out the bad and if their is some good recognize that and keep it. But if DA tries to keep Knapp I would fire him on the SPOT….period
^^^^^^^^^
Agreed. Anyone with a working brain should know by now, that Davis and McK getting rid of Hue after only one year where he had to overcome a lot of crazy adversity and still was one game from playoffs, was a stupid premature move.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
You mean the Double Agent has come to his senses? I don’t believe it. Mark lay the smack down?
Anyway, it’s HOUDINI TIME!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Anything good on TV tonite?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Pryor is every bit of 6′6”. I was at the Chiefs game last year in Oakland and he stood next to Palmer and Jason Campbell while Boller was in game and Pryor was at least an inch taller. I was like damn that cat has some size to him (pause).
December 28th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
You guys are funny.
I don’t think there would be any more excitement about TP if he were white. I don’t see anybody sticking up for Leinart.
I have to say though this stuff about Hue…I start to wonder sometimes the vehement hatred for a guy who went 8-8 with the same team that everybody says isn’t talented enough to win more than the 4 games that DA brought us.
If all else fails crack a joke about getting manicures, and ignore the auto-erotic asphyxiation antics of Dennis Allen.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Terminator 2 and Star Trek with the whales. I got basic comcast.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
If TP were white, all these racist azzholes would have his schit dripping off their chins.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
How do I get my handle usurped for nefarious purposes?
:mrgren:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I guess I could learn how to spell.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Now Kell stopped counting, cuz of my comment. Knows I’m right. Waits for me to leave so I don’t put him on the spot.
Is reading this.
Just hit the dog with his cane.
be nice, Kell.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I guess I could learn how to spell.
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good enough time to start.
Spell Kat
December 28th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Pryor will, unfortunately, not be spectacular on Sunday. As you youngsters say it, “bank it.”
December 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Now Kell stopped counting, cuz of my comment. Knows I’m right. Waits for me to leave so I don’t put him on the spot.
Is reading this.
Just hit the dog with his cane.
be nice, Kell.
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Man, you people are delusional.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
If TP were white, all these racist azzholes would
have his schit dripping off their chins.
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Us white boys don’t think that way, kell.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
If TP were white, all these racist azzholes would have his schit dripping off their chins.
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C’mon Kell. Some of us want to know.
After that 3peat post, has to be whiskey, or rum.
Which is it?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I just feel when you give someone free reign they should have to have proven they deserve it. Mark Davis handed his org. over to Reggie with no experience at all. You cannot do that Reggie has never selected a coach before how do you know he knows what he is doing?
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After all Al was so great at selecting coaches?
Not to mention the scouting staff – how many pro-bowlers in the last 10 years?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Raider Steve Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Blackhole Priest,
Do me a favor bro and tell me i should be excited about Mr. Pryor.
I need something.
You really think he is the man?
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All I can tell ya’ man is the kid is the real deal IMO if people want to see a seasoned vet Sunday they will be disappointed. But if they want to see one of the most exciting QB’s in this league and a fierce competitor they wont be. One thing you will love is how well this kid will compete. The physical talent is obvious.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Look for Knapp to ruin TP with his crappy play calling.
He won’t call plays that utilize TP’s strengths.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Koolkell: Man you people are delusional”
Don’t think we are.
I stand by my comment below.
The fact you ignored it means you also know it’s true.
Makes it a little more humorous.
20 out of 30, ATTENTION WHORE. At least.
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
KOOL KELL has been an attention whore since day 1
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LOL. You are so right.
Want proof, anyone who doubts?
Go look at the last 30 posts or so, from Kell. Without looking I can guarantee you that at least 20 of them are ONE SENTENCE COMMENTS, USUALLY INSULTS, directed at a poster that is not even talking to him.
All designed to get attention.
That’s what attention whores do.
LOOK AT ME. TALK TO ME. WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING ME??
So they toss out an insult, hoping for a reply. Then they say it again, and again.
LIKE YOU DID ON YOUR 3PEAT ABOVE, LOL, KELL.
See, I knew that. Wanted to see if you have the balls to admit you’re a small attention whore.
Borrow your wifes balls, and give it a try.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Twocents Says:
Spell Kat
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I tried, and kitty didn’t make it
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Look for Knapp to ruin TP with his crappy play calling.
He won’t call plays that utilize TP’s strengths.
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You have been posting over and over that TP should get a shot.
And now that he has it, you are already making excuses?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Penus, vageni, pusssi
December 28th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What the fck is up with this censored BS?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Twocents Says:
Spell Kat
====================
I tried, and kitty didn’t make it
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Maybe it’s in the delivery.
Let me try.
“Here, Gato”
December 28th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Post #443 as you would really write them.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
What the fck is up with this censored BS?
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It’s weird.
Try this.
after you get nothing? Hit back, then just put a space between two lines. Sometimes a hyphen in a random word, and then post goes through.
Not sure why, but worked for me.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Twocents Says:
“Here, Gato”
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Just put her to bed, with the cat. Shut up.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Twocents, do you hate me ?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Look for Knapp to ruin TP with his crappy play calling.
He won’t call plays that utilize TP’s strengths.
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You have been posting over and over that TP should get a shot.
And now that he has it, you are already making excuses?
—
Do YOU trust our esteemed OC to call the right plays for Mr. Pryor?
I don’t.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Twocents Says:
It’s weird.
Try this.
after you get nothing? Hit back, then just put a space between two lines. Sometimes a hyphen in a random word, and then post goes through.
Not sure why, but worked for me.
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Nah. Other day posted odd story from Kuala Lampur featuring the penus word and until I figured out that penus spelled properly wasn’t gonna fly, it wouldn’t post.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
David lee for the dubs is the freakin man. What he did against Phiily tonite was bigtime. He is hands down the MVP of this team. I would’ve never believed he was this damn good. Best PF we’ve had since CWebb…..BALLIN!!
December 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
What might suck is if Pryor leads us to victory then we’ll be excited and the season is over.
If they were gonna do this they should’ve done it 3 weeks ago.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
David lee for the dubs is the freakin man. What he did against Phiily tonite was bigtime. He is hands down the MVP of this team. I would’ve never believed he was this damn good. Best PF we’ve had since CWebb…..BALLIN!!
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I’m still tryin’ to shake off that loss to the Lakers…That really irritated me.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Attention whore is still here?? she’s not happy with the attention she already got? lol
December 28th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Lakers won big today, that’s what i like to see more of
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I’m looking forward to the TP premier as much of the rest of you. Mainly because it will show everyone what Allen and staff have been seeing in practice all year long — a guy uncapable of running the offense. Have you EVER seen a description of what a young QB needs to do focused on just getting the play called and the unit to the line of scrimmage on time? Talk about setting the bar low!
What’s going on here is that the Raiders are pulling what Denver did with Tebow last year. They’re throwing the fans a bone to show that they will listen because they need to worry about selling tickets next year. They’ll also show how utterly unprepared Pryor is as a QB, as the Broncos did with Tebow last season. The difference here is that the Raiders defense won’t stand on their heads like Denver’s did with Tebow and keep earning him false wins.
I won’t root against Pryor. I’ll just root that Leinhart outplays him, as I expect them each to get an equal number of snaps by game’s end. If Leinhart — who nearly everyone on the blog thinks is worthless — out performs Pryor then will all of you supporters admit that you were wrong?
Or will you just make excuses in advance for why he can’t even exceed higher than the low bar of Leinhart? If he does, I’ll be the first to admit that I was wrong here.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
JLofty Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
You are deranged Mistake1…
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LOL sour grapes make for vintage whine dont they lofty.
Palmer stinks, and i told you he would be a downgrade form jc…i was right
I told you that pryor would get his shot when palmer flopped you said he wouldnt. I was right
scoreboard worshiper, impostor fan hero worship wont make a difference
>> listen up Al Sharpton, palmer went for 4,000 yards, 22tds, 14 ints, 61% com, and an 85 QB rating on a team with no running game, a bad oline and a bad OC. and no defense and no #1 WRS. if pryor were to EVER put those numbers up you would be jerkin it to his poster hanging in your closet. your bias and anti-white victim mentality is pathetic and I’m ashamed to call myself a raider fan knowing that people like you follow that team.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Steve what it will do is sell some serious tickets…tho
But yeah! why do think everyone was cryin’ about him not playing because they wanted to see more than a game or two from him the wanted to see 3-4 starts something to really gage his potential.
December 28th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raider Steve Says:
What might suck is if Pryor leads us to victory then we’ll be excited and the season is over.
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What might suck is if Pryor kicks as$ and we think we should fly with him next season because of that. If Lienart were to fly like he did when he came in last week(5/6 60 YDS) are we annointing him?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Twocents, do you hate me ?
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I hate ppl who use race as a crutch. Like you do.
I hate ppl who toss out racial comments, then sit back and enjoy the dissension they created.
And I detest attention whores who contribute nothing at all to a forum, or a blog. The ones who are extremely petty, just to get attention. or strokes.
Which is exactly you.
Hate you? You’re nothing more than lint. Can’t hate lint.
I do, however, enjoy rolling up the lint, and wiping my ass with it, if that makes you feel better?
December 28th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raider Steve Says:
What might suck is if Pryor leads us to victory then we’ll be excited and the season is over.
================================================
What might suck is if Pryor kicks as$ and we think we should fly with him next season because of that. If Lienart were to fly like he did when he came in last week(5/6 60 YDS) are we annointing him?
>> Raiders will pick up a QB in free agency
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Twocents, do you hate me ?
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I hate ppl who use race as a crutch. Like you do.
I hate ppl who toss out racial comments, then sit back and enjoy the dissension they created.
And I detest attention whores who contribute nothing at all to a forum, or a blog. The ones who are extremely petty, just to get attention. or strokes.
Which is exactly you.
Hate you? You’re nothing more than lint. Can’t hate lint.
I do, however, enjoy rolling up the lint, and wiping my ass with it, if that makes you feel better?
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Alrighty then.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Lionell Ritchie ain’t been black since the Commodores!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I’m looking forward to the TP premier as much of the rest of you. Mainly because it will show everyone what Allen and staff have been seeing in practice all year long — a guy uncapable of running the offense. Have you EVER seen a description of what a young QB needs to do focused on just getting the play called and the unit to the line of scrimmage on time? Talk about setting the bar low!
What’s going on here is that the Raiders are pulling what Denver did with Tebow last year. They’re throwing the fans a bone to show that they will listen because they need to worry about selling tickets next year. They’ll also show how utterly unprepared Pryor is as a QB, as the Broncos did with Tebow last season. The difference here is that the Raiders defense won’t stand on their heads like Denver’s did with Tebow and keep earning him false wins.
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I just got done watching Chronicle live. Local reporters swap thoughts.
You don’t want to watch todays if you want to be optimistic about Pryor’s chances. Not a single one view it more than what you just described. A bone for the fans at the end of an ugly year.
Good news it’s reporters, who rarely get things right, or even close.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Twocents, do you hate me ?
——————————–
I hate ppl who use race as a crutch. Like you do.
I hate ppl who toss out racial comments, then sit back and enjoy the dissension they created.
And I detest attention whores who contribute nothing at all to a forum, or a blog. The ones who are extremely petty, just to get attention. or strokes.
Which is exactly you.
Hate you? You’re nothing more than lint. Can’t hate lint.
I do, however, enjoy rolling up the lint, and wiping my ass with it, if that makes you feel better?
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Alrighty then.
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Way to wave that white flag, Kell.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Lionell Ritchie ain’t been black since the Commodores!
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Proof is his daughter is zero % black.
She’s adopted.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
If TP were white, all these racist azzholes would have his schit dripping off their chins.
>> thats a bullsh*t statement KK. you’re a sad old man aren’t ya.you like being a victim probably gets your old dusty pec*er hard
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Lionell Ritchie ain’t been black since the Commodores!
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Proof is his daughter is zero % black.
She’s adopted.
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So typical of ignorant racists
December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Twocents, do you hate me ?
——————————–
I hate ppl who use race as a crutch. Like you do.
I hate ppl who toss out racial comments, then sit back and enjoy the dissension they created.
And I detest attention whores who contribute nothing at all to a forum, or a blog. The ones who are extremely petty, just to get attention. or strokes.
Which is exactly you.
Hate you? You’re nothing more than lint. Can’t hate lint.
I do, however, enjoy rolling up the lint, and wiping my ass with it, if that makes you feel better?
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Alrighty then.
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Way to wave that white flag, Kell.
>> if you’re white KK won’t be happy until you give him your pin number and apologize for being more successful in life than he and tell him its your fault.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Lionell Ritchie ain’t been black since the Commodores!
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Proof is his daughter is zero % black.
She’s adopted.
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So typical of ignorant racists. Who cares what color a baby is?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I’m looking forward to the TP premier as much of the rest of you. Mainly because it will show everyone what Allen and staff have been seeing in practice all year long — a guy uncapable of running the offense. Have you EVER seen a description of what a young QB needs to do focused on just getting the play called and the unit to the line of scrimmage on time? Talk about setting the bar low!
What’s going on here is that the Raiders are pulling what Denver did with Tebow last year. They’re throwing the fans a bone to show that they will listen because they need to worry about selling tickets next year. They’ll also show how utterly unprepared Pryor is as a QB, as the Broncos did with Tebow last season. The difference here is that the Raiders defense won’t stand on their heads like Denver’s did with Tebow and keep earning him false wins.
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There’s no such thing as “false” wins expecially when you have 6 of them in quick succession.
You either win or you lose.
Just cuz people don’t like how he did it…he still did it.
I’m not a Tebow lover, but the guy threw…THREW for 336 yd’s in a playoff win against Pittsburgh.
Believe me…Steeler fans wish it was a “false” win.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Lionell Ritchie ain’t been black since the Commodores!
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Proof is his daughter is zero % black.
She’s adopted.
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So typical of ignorant racists
> are there smart racists?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
So 2013 team could look like this, question marks means 50/50 to be on team
QB. Palmer ? Pryor, FA?
RB: Goodson, Reece, Stewart? Jones? UDFA RB?
WR: #1 FA, Streater, DHB, Criner, Moore ?, FORD?
OL = LT – Veld LG – Wiz – Draft C – RG – Briesel/Berg RT- FA?/Berg
DL- Crawford? Bilukidi? Bryant, Houston, SHaugnessy? FA DT, FA DE, Drafted DE
LB – Wheeler, Burris, FA/Drafted MLB
CB = Ross? Adams, Huff, Underwood, Spencer?
Saf= FA FS, Drafted FS, Branch, Mitchell
Kicker = Jano
Punter = King?
Holder = COndo?
so looks like WR will be the strongest group, Linebacking crew will be the weakest, but with the emergence of Ross and Adams at CB, it gives Reg chance to spend his energy upgrading other positions, hopefully Berg can lock down RG or RT position, then only C and RG or RT will be the only needs along the line
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
if you’re white KK won’t be happy until you give him your pin number and apologize for being more successful in life than he and tell him its your fault.
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I bet I have more assets than you massamauler.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
if you’re white KK won’t be happy until you give him your pin number and apologize for being more successful in life than he and tell him its your fault.
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I bet I have more assets than you massa. Lol.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
they handled pryor perfectly, kid would have doubted himself if he played alot of games and laid an egg on the field, now he knows that he will have to keep working hard toward getting a serious chance for QB job next season, you guys need to stfu
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
if you’re white KK won’t be happy until you give him your pin number and apologize for being more successful in life than he and tell him its your fault.
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I bet I have more assets than you massa. Lol.
– Seriously just stfu you would look more smarter if u never opened ur mouth
December 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I’m looking forward to the TP premier as much of the rest of you. Mainly because it will show everyone what Allen and staff have been seeing in practice all year long — a guy uncapable of running the offense. Have you EVER seen a description of what a young QB needs to do focused on just getting the play called and the unit to the line of scrimmage on time? Talk about setting the bar low!
What’s going on here is that the Raiders are pulling what Denver did with Tebow last year. They’re throwing the fans a bone to show that they will listen because they need to worry about selling tickets next year. They’ll also show how utterly unprepared Pryor is as a QB, as the Broncos did with Tebow last season. The difference here is that the Raiders defense won’t stand on their heads like Denver’s did with Tebow and keep earning him false wins.
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I just got done watching Chronicle live. Local reporters swap thoughts.
You don’t want to watch todays if you want to be optimistic about Pryor’s chances. Not a single one view it more than what you just described. A bone for the fans at the end of an ugly year.
Good news it’s reporters, who rarely get things right, or even close.
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Can’t say that I saw it. I just got back from watching my first SF Bulls game with my son tonight. Minor league hockey is, well, rather minor league when you’ve been watching NHL players live for the last two decades. I’m definitely missing the NHL and the Sharks here even more so as the Raiders season is coming to an end.
But glad to know that my opinions are right “up” there with local sports media. Talk about another low bar …
December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
#226; Hue Jackson took a pathetic team/offense and turned it into a high powered force. In is rookie season as a HC he had an 8-8 record. This despite the fact he lost his league leading HB halfway through the season. He lost his starting QB shortly after and had to bring a QB in off the street (CP). The team owner dies and he has to assume the GM role coupled with head coaching duties and still barely missed the playoffs. His players played for him. They liked and respected Jackson as their leader and he coached to their strengths which are all necessary criteria for a good to great coach. jackson also motivated and embraced the fan base. He was the face of the franchise.
That’s unprecedented and an amazing body of work. The exact same team without Jackson became a pathetic unit who could’nt score points or win games.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
if you’re white KK won’t be happy until you give him your pin number and apologize for being more successful in life than he and tell him its your fault.
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I bet I have more assets than you massa. Lol.
>. so i guess hennesy and coke count as assets now?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Steve what it will do is sell some serious tickets…tho
But yeah! why do think everyone was cryin’ about him not playing because they wanted to see more than a game or two from him the wanted to see 3-4 starts something to really gage his potential.
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Exactly. I’d better tape this one.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
how much do NHL tickets go for ? seriously thinking about going to san jose games, once they get over the lockout
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priestt….
You’re right about Reggie having full control and no adviser to help him thru etc.
Mark is apparently going to hire Ray Anderson as President of Football Operations (will be Reggie’s superior) so that support-network and job evaluator will be there now.
It’s worth noting that Mike Florio predicted when the Replacement Officials debacle ended that Ray Anderson took the fall for that and that the NFL would re-position him to one of the 32 NFL teams when the dust settled.
So, in a way it’s good to have such a position, support for Reggie, while at the same time, us getting the memo to take on Anderson.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
why even start pryor for 1 game? if you REALLY want to evaluate him he needs at least 3 games. this won’t show anybody anything. if pryor comes out and stinks it up it might be nerves but he’ll get judged way to early. pointless. somebody was in DAs ear.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Some serious verbal diahhrea on display here.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
why even start pryor for 1 game? if you REALLY want to evaluate him he needs at least 3 games. this won’t show anybody anything. if pryor comes out and stinks it up it might be nerves but he’ll get judged way to early. pointless. somebody was in DAs ear.
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Of course Massa, we’ve been saying that all day, Boss.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Derek Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
#226; Hue Jackson took a pathetic team/offense and turned it into a high powered force. In is rookie season as a HC he had an 8-8 record. This despite the fact he lost his league leading HB halfway through the season. He lost his starting QB shortly after and had to bring a QB in off the street (CP). The team owner dies and he has to assume the GM role coupled with head coaching duties and still barely missed the playoffs. His players played for him. They liked and respected Jackson as their leader and he coached to their strengths which are all necessary criteria for a good to great coach. jackson also motivated and embraced the fan base. He was the face of the franchise.
That’s unprecedented and an amazing body of work. The exact same team without Jackson became a pathetic unit who could’nt score points or win games.
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I didn’t hear 1 player say anything about jackson once he left, and he also set the NFL record for penalties after promising week in and week out he will figure that out, atleast DA is talking about getting better day by day and has his D playing better without any legit player on that side, Hue had former # 4 pick 2 time runner up to build his O around, DA wasn’t afforded that luxury, he was saddled with horrible contract players, aging former pro-bowler, and scrap and garbage, D is playing better as of late, it doesn’t matter whether the shutout was against 15 PPG Chiefs or 35 PPG Pats, shutout is a shutout
December 28th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Lost my connection and missed a lot, obviously.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
why even start pryor for 1 game? if you REALLY want to evaluate him he needs at least 3 games. this won’t show anybody anything. if pryor comes out and stinks it up it might be nerves but he’ll get judged way to early. pointless. somebody was in DAs ear.
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He won’t be judged based on 1 game, unless he goes like 5/30 5 ints and horrible decisions all over the field, he’s still under contract, he will battle it out in training camp next year with Palmer, and other guy they bring in
December 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
why even start pryor for 1 game? if you REALLY want to evaluate him he needs at least 3 games. this won’t show anybody anything. if pryor comes out and stinks it up it might be nerves but he’ll get judged way to early. pointless. somebody was in DAs ear.
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100% correct. Mark post-saints dropped the hint it’s Pryor time. The playoff hope was ended, there was no point NOT getting Pryor involved more, more each game from then on out. Allen/Knapp started way too late getting him involved. FFS they even said he needed to learn how to dress for games. *facepalm* and so for two games he was active, learning to dress, and that’s it. Wasted two games. Then two more games where he got a handful of snaps. Pathetic.
Mark declared Pryor not ready to be back-up, Leinart would start, for week 17. First practice, Leinart got 90% of 1st team reps.
Clearly Reggie/Mark had hard words for Allen, who changes his tune immediately. Even if Pryor isn’t fully ready…that’s beside the point. He knows enough of the playbook to run a whole game with, enough for evaluation purposes.
You could tell Allen got his ears bitten, he was so agitated and upset looking during that Friday press conference.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
#491 correction…
*Allen declared Pryor not ready to be back-up.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Heh, Heh
Heh.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
obviously they didn’t wanted to announce Pryor as starter earlier so that the young kid keeps working hard and not go some where and celebrate or something, i don’t wanna call my Nation brothers anything bad, but i don’t know what kinda drugs you guys are on sometimes
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
McFadden20…
I also agree that there was some kind of process in place to make Pryor work hard for the promotion etc. Thru adversity they learn to want it and cherish it.
Still, Allen/Knapp fvcked up all year not getting Pryor developed quicker, and for wasting the unused talents of Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa, and Reece.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Pryor wants to prove he’s a QB, and is working hard, if he’s fed to wolves and is eaten alive, that will seriously eff his confidence up , last game is perfect for as he can play risk free, and relaxed compared to starting in mid-season, looking over his shoulders, etc etc, he can get the feel for real nfl action with confidence intact, and keep working on his craft
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Derek Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
#226; Hue Jackson took a pathetic team/offense and turned it into a high powered force. In is rookie season as a HC he had an 8-8 record. This despite the fact he lost his league leading HB halfway through the season. He lost his starting QB shortly after and had to bring a QB in off the street (CP). The team owner dies and he has to assume the GM role coupled with head coaching duties and still barely missed the playoffs. His players played for him. They liked and respected Jackson as their leader and he coached to their strengths which are all necessary criteria for a good to great coach. jackson also motivated and embraced the fan base. He was the face of the franchise.
That’s unprecedented and an amazing body of work. The exact same team without Jackson became a pathetic unit who could’nt score points or win games.
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I didn’t hear 1 player say anything about jackson once he left, and he also set the NFL record for penalties after promising week in and week out he will figure that out, atleast DA is talking about getting better day by day and has his D playing better without any legit player on that side, Hue had former # 4 pick 2 time runner up to build his O around, DA wasn’t afforded that luxury, he was saddled with horrible contract players, aging former pro-bowler, and scrap and garbage, D is playing better as of late, it doesn’t matter whether the shutout was against 15 PPG Chiefs or 35 PPG Pats, shutout is a shutout
>> interesting point. players defended cable when he was canned and gallery left for that reason. jackson was a moron and the team knew it. nobody defended him. not one player. says it all
December 28th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
obviously they didn’t wanted to announce Pryor as starter earlier so that the young kid keeps working hard and not go some where and celebrate or something, i don’t wanna call my Nation brothers anything bad, but i don’t know what kinda drugs you guys are on sometimes
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Also, they announced it after Chargers practice week had ended. I think that’s the most important
December 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
why even start pryor for 1 game? if you REALLY want to evaluate him he needs at least 3 games. this won’t show anybody anything. if pryor comes out and stinks it up it might be nerves but he’ll get judged way to early. pointless. somebody was in DAs ear.
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He won’t be judged based on 1 game, unless he goes like 5/30 5 ints and horrible decisions all over the field, he’s still under contract, he will battle it out in training camp next year with Palmer, and other guy they bring in
>> Palmer is too expensive. 13 mil for a “good” QB. Palmer is gone will be by 14. no idea who the QB of the franchise will be. i don’t think they have none and that means more losing
December 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
So 2013 team could look like this, question marks means 50/50 to be on team
QB. Palmer ? Pryor, FA?
RB: Goodson, Reece, Stewart? Jones? UDFA RB?
WR: #1 FA, Streater, DHB, Criner, Moore ?, FORD?
OL = LT – Veld LG – Wiz – Draft C – RG – Briesel/Berg RT- FA?/Berg
DL- Crawford? Bilukidi? Bryant, Houston, SHaugnessy? FA DT, FA DE, Drafted DE
LB – Wheeler, Burris, FA/Drafted MLB
CB = Ross? Adams, Huff, Underwood, Spencer?
Saf= FA FS, Drafted FS, Branch, Mitchell
Kicker = Jano
Punter = King?
Holder = COndo?
so looks like WR will be the strongest group, Linebacking crew will be the weakest, but with the emergence of Ross and Adams at CB, it gives Reg chance to spend his energy upgrading other positions, hopefully Berg can lock down RG or RT position, then only C and RG or RT will be the only needs along the line
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Good breakdown, but it’s all going to come down to the market, the free agents and whether some guys are willing to renegotiate their contracts.
For instance, Palmer absolutely gives this team the best chance to win in this or a similar system next season, but not at $13M. Will he take less if he thinks this is the best spot for him?
Ross and Adams are both UFA. Their price tags went up with their public auditions as Raiders. Oakland should have some edge in getting them back if the offers are in line with the rest of the market, but if the asking price goes up too high then what? Are there equally or possibly better CBs out there that could be had for the same value? Or would they want to go back to the cheap seats and try to pick a few more diamonds in the rough out of the minimum salary bucket?
DHB is another guy whose price tag (a $10M cap hit!) is worth way more than his contributions, even though he’s a solid hard working player. Will he take a cut or restructure? If not, can the Raiders afford the $5M acceleration to give him his walking papers? With Ford healthy, does he replace the vertical threat that DHB was supposed to provide, while big bodies guys like Streater can fill his run blocking and possession duties.
I don’t see Berg displacing Briesel. First, he hasn’t shown the ability yet, and second, Briesel’s contract means he’ll be back next year. That, and with guys not wearing #20, Briesel’s contributions to the ZBS run game were decent. Hopefully Bergstrom is ready to take the starting RT spot, or else that will continue to be the weak link.
I do think Carlisle’s days are done, at least as a starter. He’d be great to keep around for say a 2 year deal near the vet minimum as a backup and mentor in the ZBS. It’s a tough call whether to move Wiz back to LG and backfill center, or figure that Wiz’s learning curve at center should be reinvested by keeping him there and filling the easier role of guard via draft. It’s real tough for a rookie center to come in, adjust to the NFL speed, power and complexity, AND have to make all the calls. Guard is a safer place to learn.
Bryant, Houston and Shaughnessy are all UFAs, so it’s hard ot pencil them in as coming back until we know what their market value will be and how much the Raiders are ready to compete for their services. They could in theory be out-offered for all three and then be looking at pretty bare shelves on the DL. This is the scariest scenario for next year as far as I’m concerned, because they already need to find another Seymour (of the 2010 form) for that defense to be better than average. Kelly is almost assuredly gone since his hit in 2013 is about $9.4M but the cut hit is only a little more than $2M. I think he’ll fetch another multi-year deal that gets him in the vicintiy of $5M per, so I don’t know if a restructure is an option either. This team could theoretically be facing the scenario of needing an entirely new starting DL in 2013 and that’s a major disruption to the chemistry they’ve been building the last few games of the season.
Getting to the LBs, Wheeler too is a UFA and is another guy that would leave a big void if he gets away. Yet, he increased his market price considerably this year so it’s yet another tough cap decision. Burris will be back, but again it’s a place where we could be looking at 2 of 3 starters needing to be replaced.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I love how some idiots pretend to know what’s said by the staff and owner. Here’s a clue: u have no fu@king idea.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
McFadden20…
I also agree that there was some kind of process in place to make Pryor work hard for the promotion etc. Thru adversity they learn to want it and cherish it.
Still, Allen/Knapp fvcked up all year not getting Pryor developed quicker, and for wasting the unused talents of Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa, and Reece.
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Offensive guy is an idiot , but i believe in DA and Tarver to improve the D, and develop guys, as evidenced by emergence of Ross and Adams, another guy to watch out for is Underwood, he was laying some wood on guys in preseason before getting injured for the year
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
McFadden20…
I also agree that there was some kind of process in place to make Pryor work hard for the promotion etc. Thru adversity they learn to want it and cherish it.
Still, Allen/Knapp fvcked up all year not getting Pryor developed quicker, and for wasting the unused talents of Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa, and Reece.
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Offensive guy is an idiot , but i believe in DA and Tarver to improve the D, and develop guys, as evidenced by emergence of Ross and Adams, another guy to watch out for is Underwood, he was laying some wood on guys in preseason before getting injured for the year
>> they need to draft the best DE or DT with the 3rd pick. would go a long way to help the D. i can see lotulei being a raider
December 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I love how some idiots pretend to know what’s said by the staff and owner. Here’s a clue: u have no fu@king idea.
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I just scroll past those kinda posts and thank them for laughs
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Reggie and DA have said the DL is stout. They like who they have.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
IMO, if Palmer wasnt injured, we would not see TP or ML. Rookie Gm’s and rookie Hc’S know they are graded on one thing, and one thing only.
Won/loss.
That’s it. Not who they developed. Not the future. right now. This year. 2 years from now, when DA or Reg’s first couple of years (if they get that many)with the Raiders are brought up, you will always see the w/l record.
Because that’s the measuring stick.
When someone points out the 5-11 years, no one points out that Aaron Brooks was starting, or that Moss was moping. Just the record.
Reg, DA, and Mark all desperately wanted a good first year. Obviously that didn’t happen.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I love how some idiots pretend to know what’s said by the staff and owner. Here’s a clue: u have no fu@king idea.
>> MD is saying “DUH” and RM is saying “he doesn’t make any big plays BUT he’s a blue collar guy so give him 20 MIL”
December 28th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Reggie and DA have said the DL is stout. They like who they have.
>> did the definition of “stout” change?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
>> interesting point. players defended cable when he was canned and gallery left for that reason. jackson was a moron and the team knew it. nobody defended him. not one player. says it all
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Your selective memory aside, Cable went 5-11 . Al hired OC Hue Jackson to take over the offense. They went 8-8.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
I love how some idiots pretend to know what’s said by the staff and owner. Here’s a clue: u have no fu@king idea.
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I just scroll past those kinda posts and thank them for laughs
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Yeah?
Well, my sources, which are about as inside as you can get, all on the hush hush said..you are right.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
They said lack of pass rush had to do with coverage. Poor run defense was due to poor execution (McClain). I wasn’t sure but since mcclains removal and emergence of Adams and Ross, defense has really picked up. Maybe they knew what they were talking about after all.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
What I want to know is will some of the other prospects get some run?
Like Taiwan and others…. It is the last game
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
McFadden20…
I also agree that there was some kind of process in place to make Pryor work hard for the promotion etc. Thru adversity they learn to want it and cherish it.
Still, Allen/Knapp fvcked up all year not getting Pryor developed quicker, and for wasting the unused talents of Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa, and Reece.
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Offensive guy is an idiot , but i believe in DA and Tarver to improve the D, and develop guys, as evidenced by emergence of Ross and Adams, another guy to watch out for is Underwood, he was laying some wood on guys in preseason before getting injured for the year
>> they need to draft the best DE or DT with the 3rd pick. would go a long way to help the D. i can see lotulei being a raider
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L Star sounds like a game changer but i don’t know if you wanna draft a DT over DE when we are like last in the league in sacks category, there are some guys who have more sacks than our whole team combined,unless we get some one like Cliff Avril in FA or Michael Johnson Bengals DE, but i rather just draft Damontre Moore instead of paying big time money to guys having best season of their career in contract years
December 28th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
I think we trade down. If not then teo.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
>> interesting point. players defended cable when he was canned and gallery left for that reason. jackson was a moron and the team knew it. nobody defended him. not one player. says it all
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Your selective memory aside, Cable went 5-11 . Al hired OC Hue Jackson to take over the offense. They went 8-8.
>> you don’t spill a drop do you? my point was in regards to the players not defending HUE, says it all. players didn’t like him. end of story
December 28th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
how much do NHL tickets go for ? seriously thinking about going to san jose games, once they get over the lockout
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They aren’t cheap. Right about the same as Raiders tickets. My season tickets are $51 each and those are middle of the pack. But since I’ve been a season ticket holder since day 1, I’ve been able to use my priority to get an awesome location. I’m dead center on the red line, 6 rows up on the upper deck.
I have 4 seats in a row so I sell about 50% of the games. If you’re interested in getting a few (assuming that there will be enough of a season to have a few left) hit me up: zymurge @ hotmail . com
And just for the record, football is equally awesome both live and on TV. You see different things from each vantage. But no game compares to seeing hockey live when it comes to speed, skill, constant excitement and an intense viewing experience. TV absolutely fails to capture 90% of it.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
They said lack of pass rush had to do with coverage. Poor run defense was due to poor execution (McClain). I wasn’t sure but since mcclains removal and emergence of Adams and Ross, defense has really picked up. Maybe they knew what they were talking about after all.
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Outside the org people have always graded our DL as one of the strengths of the team. We always wonder why, but I guess its because we dont get the all 22 like most of the people watching.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
McFadden20…
I also agree that there was some kind of process in place to make Pryor work hard for the promotion etc. Thru adversity they learn to want it and cherish it.
Still, Allen/Knapp fvcked up all year not getting Pryor developed quicker, and for wasting the unused talents of Ausberry, Taiwan, Chekwa, and Reece.
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Offensive guy is an idiot , but i believe in DA and Tarver to improve the D, and develop guys, as evidenced by emergence of Ross and Adams, another guy to watch out for is Underwood, he was laying some wood on guys in preseason before getting injured for the year
>> they need to draft the best DE or DT with the 3rd pick. would go a long way to help the D. i can see lotulei being a raider
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L Star sounds like a game changer but i don’t know if you wanna draft a DT over DE when we are like last in the league in sacks category, there are some guys who have more sacks than our whole team combined,unless we get some one like Cliff Avril in FA or Michael Johnson Bengals DE, but i rather just draft Damontre Moore instead of paying big time money to guys having best season of their career in contract years
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
December 28th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
>> interesting point. players defended cable when he was canned and gallery left for that reason. jackson was a moron and the team knew it. nobody defended him. not one player. says it all
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Your selective memory aside, Cable went 5-11 . Al hired OC Hue Jackson to take over the offense. They went 8-8==========================
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So, when it behooves you, you give credit to the OC, and NOT the HC?
And when it works in your favor, for arguments sake, when you want to lay blame, it’s not on the OC in charge of the floudering offense? It’s now on the HC?
Hypocrite
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
They said lack of pass rush had to do with coverage. Poor run defense was due to poor execution (McClain). I wasn’t sure but since mcclains removal and emergence of Adams and Ross, defense has really picked up. Maybe they knew what they were talking about after all.
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Outside the org people have always graded our DL as one of the strengths of the team. We always wonder why, but I guess its because we dont get the all 22 like most of the people watching.
>> seymour is Old and kelly is on the practice squad without seymour next to him. DLINE is toast next year.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
>> you don’t spill a drop do you? my point was in regards to the players not defending HUE, says it all. players didn’t like him. end of story
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I tried to address the broader point, because neither you nor I know what the locker room said. I’ve read plenty of support of Jackson from players.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Reggie and DA have said the DL is stout. They like who they have.
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Well it’s stout against the run when it wants to but no serious pass rusher, Shaugnessy was a disappointment, but i hope it had to do with him coming back from a serious injury and he comes back with a vengeance, He could be a nice back up behind Damontre Moore, or FA DE, Houston is the best guy on the line but we need to use his non stop motor from inside to bull-rush instead of trying to use finesse moves on outside
December 28th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Funny Goodell said he would follow the punishment that the NCAA had laid out while the others from Ohio punishments were reduced and only served 1 game suspensions!So Terrell got punished more than his peers! Who cares he our QB Sunday!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
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Its time this team did one solid thing and drafted an interior DL player. Im tired of seeing players like Raji and JPP go to smarter teams
December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
>> you don’t spill a drop do you? my point was in regards to the players not defending HUE, says it all. players didn’t like him. end of story
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I tried to address the broader point, because neither you nor I know what the locker room said. I’ve read plenty of support of Jackson from players.
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
>> seymour is Old and kelly is on the practice squad without seymour next to him. DLINE is toast next year.
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I agree about Seymour but Kelly still looks good in there without him. We could definitely use a talent upgrade through the draft. I want Star
December 28th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
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Its time this team did one solid thing and drafted an interior DL player. Im tired of seeing players like Raji and JPP go to smarter teams
>> they better draft for the DLINE and not waste their 1st pick on that ILB TEo or worse, a Cornerback. Lotulei in the middle, 3-4 OR 4-3 and this DLINE will be anchored for a decade. all starts and ends on the Line
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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We’ll see hater.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Being of the same indeterminate age as Mark Davis, I would have one heIl of a better idea of who, what, when and how to run MY football team then any of you. Shut up, sit down or stand up, I don’t care, I will do as I will do. MAYBE as MY dad would’ve done. So Shut Up., already.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Tiawan needs to play DB he Scared of being hit, but is a mad gunner on special teams!
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
>> seymour is Old and kelly is on the practice squad without seymour next to him. DLINE is toast next year.
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I agree about Seymour but Kelly still looks good in there without him. We could definitely use a talent upgrade through the draft. I want Star
>> i just think that Kelly is a moron and fuks up too much. i just don’t see the same player without seymour out there. kelly isn’t a dominating DL
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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Might be because they got used to it with Kiffen, then Cable, then Hue
December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
how much do NHL tickets go for ? seriously thinking about going to san jose games, once they get over the lockout
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They aren’t cheap. Right about the same as Raiders tickets. My season tickets are $51 each and those are middle of the pack. But since I’ve been a season ticket holder since day 1, I’ve been able to use my priority to get an awesome location. I’m dead center on the red line, 6 rows up on the upper deck.
I have 4 seats in a row so I sell about 50% of the games. If you’re interested in getting a few (assuming that there will be enough of a season to have a few left) hit me up: zymurge @ hotmail . com
And just for the record, football is equally awesome both live and on TV. You see different things from each vantage. But no game compares to seeing hockey live when it comes to speed, skill, constant excitement and an intense viewing experience. TV absolutely fails to capture 90% of it.
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That’s true, i always wanted to really watch a live Hockey game, but never had some one interested enough in hockey to take with me , now i know i can just hit you up and watch hockey, thanks man
December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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We’ll see hater.
>>> Wow, what an insightful response.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
>> i just think that Kelly is a moron and fuks up too much. i just don’t see the same player without seymour out there. kelly isn’t a dominating DL
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Yeah Kelly’s dumb as dirt and players like that will always find an excuse to f up
December 28th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
there was NO broader point
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Thought you were the broader point.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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We’ll see hater.
>>> Wow, what an insightful response.
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If that’s not enough, you can go masturbate.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I am presently listening to Tarver PC, we cannot afford to lose this coach he is exceptional. I don’t care what they do they have to keep Tarver…period
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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Might be because they got used to it with Kiffen, then Cable, then Hue
>> i don’t know, AD had just died and things were changing. would have been a fresh start with Hue then he gets canned and nobody cares.
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
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I understand your point , but our DE’s are 1 on 1 anyways , with one of the interior guy being doubled team, and they still can’t get to the qb, unless the OL completely let one of our DE get to the qb untouched then i’m all for it lol
December 28th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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We’ll see hater.
>>> Wow, what an insightful response.
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If that’s not enough, you can go masturbate.
>> ahh now your picturing the mauler master baiting are ya? are you a fruity niner fan too?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Yeah, It would be nice if they let Taiwan out of solidarity, too.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
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I understand your point , but our DE’s are 1 on 1 anyways , with one of the interior guy being doubled team, and they still can’t get to the qb, unless the OL completely let one of our DE get to the qb untouched then i’m all for it lol
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As long as we go DL I dont think we can lose. If we trade down then their is more risk, but right now its all up to the scouting department
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
>> a dominating DT like lotulei MAKES your DEs better. but yeah they could just as easily draft a DE. not the way I’d do it. Lotueli will free up the other players. the guy gets double teamed sometime triple teamed and STILL pushes the OLINE back. fuking animal
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I understand your point , but our DE’s are 1 on 1 anyways , with one of the interior guy being doubled team, and they still can’t get to the qb, unless the OL completely let one of our DE get to the qb untouched then i’m all for it lol
>> watching STAR on video you just SEE him push 2 OL back 4 feet consistently. you can see the quickness and a mean streak. this dude has the attitude AND talent. would be the leader of that LINE. raiders need a leader on defense. somebody with a mean streak.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
KoolKell Says
If that’s not enough, you can go masturbate.
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Is it OK if we all do that?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
536 guess you are not Raiders fans at all Kelly played very well last game and thats what counts! Morons didn’t read the Article! LMAO!
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Priesttj12 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I am presently listening to Tarver PC, we cannot afford to lose this coach he is exceptional. I don’t care what they do they have to keep Tarver…period
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He’s awesome, I was watching the Den game, and i was like how the hell did the D kept on blitzing P Manning over and over from different angles without paying for it, I have never seen that before , great QB’s always make teams pay on blitzes but we some how kept Manning from getting big plays, imagine if we just had 2 good DE’s and real MLB , the sky will be the limit with Tarver
December 29th, 2012 at 12:04 am
It will be interesting to see how Reggie handles this draft now that he is picking on day one. Will we know ahead of time or will we have to wait until the day of
December 29th, 2012 at 12:04 am
manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
>. there was NO broader point made by me in my statement. you just pulled that our of your ass. the locker room was SILENT after he was fired. that says it all. season was over and they could have spoken out and NOBODY did. that says it all. who here thinks Hue Jackson gets a HC job this year?
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We’ll see hater.
>>> Wow, what an insightful response.
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If that’s not enough, you can go masturbate.
>> ahh now your picturing the mauler master baiting are ya? are you a fruity niner fan too?
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He is a whiner fan , he was talking about whiners just a couple of days ago
December 29th, 2012 at 12:04 am
KoolKell Says:
Yeah, It would be nice if they let Taiwan out of solidarity, too.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Yeah either way , Star or Moore we won’t lose, pressure up front is as important as pressure from edge
December 29th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:04 am
KoolKell Says:
Yeah, It would be nice if they let Taiwan out of solidarity, too.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
>> thinking that KK thinks was your first mistake
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Raiderlization Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 am
536 guess you are not Raiders fans at all Kelly played very well last game and thats what counts! Morons didn’t read the Article! LMAO!
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He gave up a key penalty that led to a TD
THATS WHAT COUNTS!!!!
Everything else is just a dumb brand of football that causes losses like last Sunday
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
JJ Watt is getting to QB’s from all over the line , in Moore i see a guy who can also line up anywhere and get to the qb, he’s going to be a beast in the NFL
December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
JJ Watt is getting to QB’s from all over the line , in Moore i see a guy who can also line up anywhere and get to the qb, he’s going to be a beast in the NFL
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We need more beasts and less baby’s.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
JJ Watt is getting to QB’s from all over the line , in Moore i see a guy who can also line up anywhere and get to the qb, he’s going to be a beast in the NFL
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
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Naw those 2 will be gone asap just like Suh. The only guy that might go mid is Teo
December 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
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Naw those 2 will be gone asap just like Suh. The only guy that might go mid is Teo
>. they might trade down and get TEO then. i would draft DL FIRST then fill in behind it BUT whatever. If Teo is Ray lewis 2.0 then go for it.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
JJ Watt is getting to QB’s from all over the line , in Moore i see a guy who can also line up anywhere and get to the qb, he’s going to be a beast in the NFL
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
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What a sad conversation.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
They said lack of pass rush had to do with coverage. Poor run defense was due to poor execution (McClain). I wasn’t sure but since mcclains removal and emergence of Adams and Ross, defense has really picked up. Maybe they knew what they were talking about after all.
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Outside the org people have always graded our DL as one of the strengths of the team. We always wonder why, but I guess its because we dont get the all 22 like most of the people watching.
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A lot of that was predicated on the line being anchored by the Seymour of old. Before his mid 2011 melt down, he was the sponge that soaked up the most blocking attention. That left everyone around him more freedom and they excelled.
Kelly is a solid #2 DT that plays much better with a #1 next to him. Without that, he becomes the #1 and really seems to fold under the double team pressure. Instead of sacking up and using the attention on him to open up others, he seems to start laying back as the game goes on. Maybe it’s frustration when he doesn’t feel effective. Because it does seem like when Kelly makes a good play early in the game he’s beast all game.
Either way, he’s a 32 but is currently paid like a start #1. Obviously, that won’t continue. But even a solid #2 is a somewhat rare commodity so if Kelly is gone he has to be replaced. Maybe Bilikoti can become that guy, and if Bryant resigned, he can become a decent #1 with some more experience.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:11 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:09 am
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
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Naw those 2 will be gone asap just like Suh. The only guy that might go mid is Teo
>. they might trade down and get TEO then. i would draft DL FIRST then fill in behind it BUT whatever. If Teo is Ray lewis 2.0 then go for it.
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Yeah we need to get back in the business of drafting a 10 year starter
December 29th, 2012 at 12:14 am
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:06 am
JJ Watt is getting to QB’s from all over the line , in Moore i see a guy who can also line up anywhere and get to the qb, he’s going to be a beast in the NFL
>. taking a DE is a good pick. either if those 2 guys expected to last until the MID 1st round? if so they can trade back possibly.
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What a sad conversation.
>. yep the 3rd wheel ruined the whole conversation
December 29th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Either way, he’s a 32 but is currently paid like a start #1. Obviously, that won’t continue. But even a solid #2 is a somewhat rare commodity so if Kelly is gone he has to be replaced. Maybe Bilikoti can become that guy, and if Bryant resigned, he can become a decent #1 with some more experience.
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This last part worries me because the grass is always greener and letting a solid #2 DT leave might not be the best idea. That would make Star almost a must draft player
December 29th, 2012 at 12:18 am
“Vick toting a huge contract and with coach Andy Reid likely fired after Sunday’s regular-season finale?” Hey Mark, call quickly because if this happens, I believe Reid will turn this organization around. A change of venue is needed for the coach. May do wonders for the team! Also, if Vick is available bring him in make Philly swallow most of his contract! Give Palmer the boot and the current coaching staff!!!!!!! Give th fans a chance i 2013!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 12:18 am
manassamauler Says:
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
>> thinking that KK thinks was your first mistake
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Don’t even know which KK it is, as if it mattered.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
dcraiderfan Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:18 am
“Vick toting a huge contract and with coach Andy Reid likely fired after Sunday’s regular-season finale?” Hey Mark, call quickly because if this happens, I believe Reid will turn this organization around. A change of venue is needed for the coach. May do wonders for the team! Also, if Vick is available bring him in make Philly swallow most of his contract! Give Palmer the boot and the current coaching staff!!!!!!! Give th fans a chance i 2013!!!!
>. Andy reid as HC? first time I’ve heard that idea.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Can you learn new stuff so you’re more human; you know, not such a dork all the time.
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john conner to most everybody here.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Looky there, mr green, killed the whole thing.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Andy Reid ? He couldn’t lead more talented Philly , what makes you think he would wanna one to the Raiders ,you guys are just like Al D , change isn’t always good, give DA another year , I think he will turn it around
December 29th, 2012 at 12:49 am
His calling card = D is playing much better lately so that’s nice to see, DA/Tarver hasn’t even used that multi scheme D because of lack of players to fit in other schemes, give them Moore who can rush from inside, outside in4-3 , can play 3/4 end and even line up at LB in 3-4 and a good MLB, the D will surprise you guys next year
December 29th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Most d minded coaches hire retards at OC I don’t knw why , lets hope 2nd time is a charm and DA hires a proven commodity like Norv Turner , Whisenhunt,garret instead of completely unknown
December 29th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Remember when JErry jones paid big money to his OC Jason Garret so he won’t leave for any head coaching job anywhere else and becomes cowboys head coach in future, how did that turn out?? Lol, brilliant offensive mind, but suck at coaching , speaking of another young brilliant guy who didn’t had any clue when it came to coaching The whole team how about josh McDaniel as OC ??
December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 am
Or weiss?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:58 am
We need a young creative guy with fresh ideas at OC, no more retreads
December 29th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Same with special teams coach , get sum assistant guy from Seattle for special teams coach
December 29th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Where The heck did everyone else go
December 29th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Where is that lapdog stupid kell
December 29th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Ok I’m out too night nation
December 29th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Where The heck did everyone else go
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Away from your conversation.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Most d minded coaches hire retards at OC I don’t knw why , lets hope 2nd time is a charm and DA hires a proven commodity like Norv Turner , Whisenhunt,garret instead of completely unknown
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Most D minded coaches want a strong running game as their “second” D. They want to get a 7-3 lead and nurse it for the rest of the game with ball control and field position. That formula has been pretty successful for a majority of the super bowl teams, so I guess there’s some credence there.
Running with that (pun intended) I think the goal was to install a ZBS since, based on the success of most the top rushing teams, it is the system to invest in.
If you buy all that, then Knapp made a lot of sense. As many have mentioned before, all of the best were already picked by the time DA went shopping. He was the best available to teach the system that they wanted.
Just remember, this is a multi-year plan. It can’t be fairly evaluated based on year 1. Presumably Knapp has done his part and it’s time to move to an OC that is better at play construction and game management, even if it’s one that isn’t as good at teaching the system.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:46 am
Zymurge, do you have a boner for Carson Palmer?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Reggie obviously dictated schemes.
Packers have run WCO and ZBS for a long time.
Reggie the quick witted says, “let’s blow up what’s working here, what’s the Raider Way, even tho I said in my initial press conference upon my hiring, that I would remain faithful to the Raider Way, and install the Green Bay Way.”
17 weeks later…what does he do, is the question. Clearly his dictate has caused this putrid offense, has caused a lot on the offense to regress, a scheme forced onto a roster not suited to it.
Reggie must weigh up…is it easier/better to blow up and entirely replace a 53 man roster (many of whom ARE very talented), and how long will it take to swap 53 for another 53 considering 50% of every draft (if you’re lucky) end up even rosterable….or do you work with what you have and get coaches that can run schemes that suit the roster, and only have to top up the roster every year.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:02 am
Jerry has been pushing for this for a long time. McDonald was the first person that I recall urging Al to draft Prior.
Allen’s decision is suprising. I was pretty sure that he would start Leinart with Prior playing a quarter or a half.
Why not, give the kid a shot.
We saw what Leinart could do last week and it wasn’t much.
Now let’s see what Prior can do.
Frankly, just like Palmer and Leinart before him, I think his success is going to be limited by the current offensive line.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 am
Since Hue invested so much in Palmer it’s possible that all McKenzie/Allen are doing is shopping Prior.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Looks like Bergstrom, Ross to start
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Pryor, too?
wow!!
this move obviously was mandated by Mark & Reggie.
Dennis & Greg had Matt Leinart taking 99% of the 1st team reps on Wednesday & Thursday
December 29th, 2012 at 3:53 am
GG,
Mark gave Reggie full control. Why should BigMac feel obligated to keep players he doesn’t like?
I mean, how many players did Reggie let go that are tearing it up with other teams?
in many cases, we’ve all complained that Raider starters are other teams backups.
It may take a while, but eventually Reggie can fix this. When you only have 10-15 players worth keeping, why not install a system/scheme and then coach up your players? I have no problem with this
Defense & Special Teams were awful last year. Hue Jackson wasn’t going to be retained regardless of the scheme. How many guys in here would have been pissed if we kept Bresnahan & Fassel, but didn’t keep Jackson?
Huey wanted to pick his own boss – yet most of you guys think he would have accepted a demotion to OC, lol
December 29th, 2012 at 3:58 am
Dennis Allen on Terrelle Pryor:
“I want to see him protect the football, make sure he makes good decisions.’’
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yo DA,
why didn’t you ever mandate this from Carson Palmer?
higher expectations for a kid who has 6 snaps experience versus a 10-year pro?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:00 am
Andy Reid for O-Line Coach!!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:03 am
there are 3 things that pryor can show sunday:
1) he’s an amazing out-of-the-box superstar from the another planet, as missdick and priest have claimed.
2) he’s a raw, flawed qb that nevertheless does have qb skills to work on.
3) he’s not a nfl qb and never will be.
i think #1 is ridiculous. that’s one of the reasons missdick and priest have proven they are indeed insane.
i’m hoping for #2, which would be nice.
i’m fearing #3.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Pryor hasn’t gotten any reps all season and now he’s the starter?
poor job by the coaching staff!
I told you guys that Matt Leinart was a steaming pile of crap before Reggie even interviewed him or worked him out
Pryor should have been #2 QB all year long, getting more reps and preparing himself for this situation. Then when Palmer goes down, Pryor has ALL WEEK to prepare as the starter – not Friday before gameday!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
hey retards—who among these qb’s is the best this year?
palmer
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
any guess? u got it. palmer. so palmer-bashers have to be the most ignorant fans going.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:06 am
Dr Bob,
a QB’s first NFL start isn’t gonna tell you all you need to know about him. thats “insane”
December 29th, 2012 at 4:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
Pryor hasn’t gotten any reps all season and now he’s the starter?
poor job by the coaching staff!
I told you guys that Matt Leinart was a steaming pile of crap before Reggie even interviewed him or worked him out
Pryor should have been #2 QB all year long, getting more reps and preparing himself for this situation. Then when Palmer goes down, Pryor has ALL WEEK to prepare as the starter – not Friday before gameday!
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u apparently are witnessing yr very first nfl season. congrats! much more to learn.
leinart was the classic vet backup #2 and pryor was the classic young project. they did it exactly the way countless others have. perhaps after sunday, u will realize why. leinart had experience. duh.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
retard = somebody with their own opinion, who doesn’t agree with you?
grow up, dr bob!
I’ve posted many times why I don’t think Palmer is the answer. it’s not like I’m posting “Palmer sucks!” every 5 minutes with nothing to back it up or prove my point
you and I will never agree on CP3. I’ve accepted that and I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your ways. when you start hurling insults or name calling, it just shows that you’ve run out of material & accepted defeat.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:06 am
Dr Bob,
a QB’s first NFL start isn’t gonna tell you all you need to know about him. thats “insane”
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bullsh!t. if he plays the entire game, u will absolutely be able to tell which category he belongs in.
if he goes 19-24 275 3 tds 12 rushes 125 yards 1 td, u know he’s in group #1.
if he goes 14-26 185 yards 1 td 1 int 8 rushes 65 yards 1 td, then u know he’s in group #2.
but if he goes 5-17 35 yards 0 tds 4 ints 6 rushes 30 yards, and at least 5 throws that look like some idiot from the stans that’s visiting from norway would throw, it’s time to try wr.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:14 am
leinart had experience. duh.
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experience being awful is better than no experience at all?
not in my book!
Leinart had the same number of suitors in free agency as JaMarcus Russell … none
a system fit does not equate to production.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
retard = somebody with their own opinion, who doesn’t agree with you?
grow up, dr bob!
I’ve posted many times why I don’t think Palmer is the answer. it’s not like I’m posting “Palmer sucks!” every 5 minutes with nothing to back it up or prove my point
you and I will never agree on CP3. I’ve accepted that and I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your ways. when you start hurling insults or name calling, it just shows that you’ve run out of material & accepted defeat.
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because i make fun of u means i’ve accepted defeat? nice spin. it’s like the kid who gets beat up claiming victory cuz the guy who did it called him a puzzy.
lemme ask u this: would u be clamoring for these guys to be replaced?:
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
December 29th, 2012 at 4:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
hey retards—who among these qb’s is the best this year?
palmer
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
any guess? u got it. palmer. so palmer-bashers have to be the most ignorant fans going.
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Depends how you define “best”.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:14 am
leinart had experience. duh.
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experience being awful is better than no experience at all?
not in my book!
Leinart had the same number of suitors in free agency as JaMarcus Russell … none
a system fit does not equate to production.
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look around the nfl rosters. u will see tons of failed starters sitting at #2, while the project is at #3. yes, experience counts. he sucks but that’s what teams do. try to find a #2 that they might possibly win with if the #1 goes down. we saw leinart fail, so he’s out. what happens if pryor is simply horrendous sunday? not his fault? reset? redo?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:19 am
RediaR Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 am
hey retards—who among these qb’s is the best this year?
palmer
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
any guess? u got it. palmer. so palmer-bashers have to be the most ignorant fans going.
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Depends how you define “best”.
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by objective stats accepted by the nfl, not subjective opinions by some f the most ignorant fans i’ve ever seen.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:20 am
if he plays the entire game, u will absolutely be able to tell which category he belongs in.
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disagree!!
you realize Pryor hasn’t started a football game since Jan of 2011?
thats 2 years. Palmer sat for like 8 months and how did he look his first game back against Kansas City?
a lot like Kyle Boller
December 29th, 2012 at 4:21 am
wins don’t count. it’s a stupid, moronic way to judge a qb. do u judge the guard that way?
it’s what the qb is supposed to do–pass for yards, score td’s, not throw int’s. just what the qb rankings tell u. no opinions. facts.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:22 am
lol. already making excuses. what if he goes 5-17 35 yards 0 tds 4 ints 6 rushes 30 yards, and at least 5 throws that look like some idiot from the stands that’s visiting from norway would throw?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
what happens if pryor is simply horrendous sunday?
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nothing. it’s just one game. his first game
give him 10-15 starts. if he’s not a winner, then I guess that makes him equal to Palmer & Leinart
at least he wasn’t a 1st round pick like those guys!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
what’s the attachment to a player if he sucks? smashed dreams? i want him to succeed too. but what if he sucks? can u handle it, accept it, and move on?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
retard = somebody with their own opinion, who doesn’t agree with you?
grow up, dr bob!
I’ve posted many times why I don’t think Palmer is the answer. it’s not like I’m posting “Palmer sucks!” every 5 minutes with nothing to back it up or prove my point
you and I will never agree on CP3. I’ve accepted that and I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your ways. when you start hurling insults or name calling, it just shows that you’ve run out of material & accepted defeat.
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because i make fun of u means i’ve accepted defeat? nice spin. it’s like the kid who gets beat up claiming victory cuz the guy who did it called him a puzzy.
lemme ask u this: would u be clamoring for these guys to be replaced?:
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
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There are two guys on that list, who’s team’s fans I haven’t heard at least a little bit of replacement talk from. Luck because he is a rookie who has lead the team with the #1 overall pick to the playoffs and Eli because he just got done winning a second Superbowl.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
what happens if pryor is simply horrendous sunday?
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nothing. it’s just one game. his first game
give him 10-15 starts. if he’s not a winner, then I guess that makes him equal to Palmer & Leinart
at least he wasn’t a 1st round pick like those guys!
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so every 3rd round qb demands 10-15 starts before he can be determined to suck? there aren’t enuff teams and games in the nfl to do that.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:27 am
wins don’t count. it’s a stupid, moronic way to judge a qb. do u judge the guard that way?
it’s what the qb is supposed to do–pass for yards, score td’s, not throw int’s. just what the qb rankings tell u. no opinions. facts.
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so now you are holding Palmer accountable for his INT’s ?? last week you weren’t … progress!!
yes – a QB that throws for a bunch of yards and still loses, is still considered a loser
December 29th, 2012 at 4:27 am
RediaR Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
retard = somebody with their own opinion, who doesn’t agree with you?
grow up, dr bob!
I’ve posted many times why I don’t think Palmer is the answer. it’s not like I’m posting “Palmer sucks!” every 5 minutes with nothing to back it up or prove my point
you and I will never agree on CP3. I’ve accepted that and I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your ways. when you start hurling insults or name calling, it just shows that you’ve run out of material & accepted defeat.
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because i make fun of u means i’ve accepted defeat? nice spin. it’s like the kid who gets beat up claiming victory cuz the guy who did it called him a puzzy.
lemme ask u this: would u be clamoring for these guys to be replaced?:
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
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There are two guys on that list, who’s team’s fans I haven’t heard at least a little bit of replacement talk from. Luck because he is a rookie who has lead the team with the #1 overall pick to the playoffs and Eli because he just got done winning a second Superbowl.
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bullsh!t. maybe bradford and vick have worn out their welcome to some degree. cutler is still seen as a great talent. and stafford and freeman are seen as top quality franchise qb’s.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:28 am
i want him to succeed too.
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then why are you hating on him? skin color?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:27 am
wins don’t count. it’s a stupid, moronic way to judge a qb. do u judge the guard that way?
it’s what the qb is supposed to do–pass for yards, score td’s, not throw int’s. just what the qb rankings tell u. no opinions. facts.
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so now you are holding Palmer accountable for his INT’s ?? last week you weren’t … progress!!
yes – a QB that throws for a bunch of yards and still loses, is still considered a loser
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i didn’t hold him accountable? are u high or just a liar?
wrong. the team loses and squanders a good game from the qb.
blaming the qb for losses when he performs well is ignorant. it’s the first thing fans do when they don’t really know the game. housewives do that.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Dr Bob,
you practice how you play. if Pryor is progressing and “getting better every day” (as the coaches say) then I don’t see why he shouldn’t be expected to get better and thus earn more than 1 start. Get it?
Again – writing a player off if he doesn’t throw for 300 yards and 3 TD’s in his first NFL start is beyond “insane” like your colleague Mistic
December 29th, 2012 at 4:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:28 am
i want him to succeed too.
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then why are you hating on him? skin color?
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ahh. u have to accuse me of racism, even when i have never “hated” on him. i just doubt he’s a good qb.
but u hate a good qb, with good stats. why? skin color?
hating white people happens too. u must be one of those.
accusing me of racism is obscene and cowardly.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:33 am
blaming the qb for losses when he performs well is ignorant.
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please point out the games Palmer has played well, but we lost and he deserves NO BLAME
I’ll wait
December 29th, 2012 at 4:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:31 am
Dr Bob,
you practice how you play. if Pryor is progressing and “getting better every day” (as the coaches say) then I don’t see why he shouldn’t be expected to get better and thus earn more than 1 start. Get it?
Again – writing a player off if he doesn’t throw for 300 yards and 3 TD’s in his first NFL start is beyond “insane” like your colleague Mistic
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do u even read before u comment? i said there are three possible scenarios. only if he’s horrendous should they pull the plug. i’m hoping he shows at least some qb ability.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:34 am
accusing me of racism is obscene and cowardly.
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and apparently TRUE!
“i just doubt he’s a good qb”
December 29th, 2012 at 4:35 am
i’m hoping he shows at least some qb ability.
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but you’re expecting the worst, because ….. ???
December 29th, 2012 at 4:36 am
san diego, atlanta, tampa bay, baltimore, cleveland, denver
December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:34 am
accusing me of racism is obscene and cowardly.
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and apparently TRUE!
“i just doubt he’s a good qb”
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it’s not racist to doubt a black qb is good. that’s moronic.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:35 am
i’m hoping he shows at least some qb ability.
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but you’re expecting the worst, because ….. ???
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my knowledge of the game
December 29th, 2012 at 4:39 am
san diego, atlanta, tampa bay, baltimore, cleveland, denver
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LOL!!!!
I said point out the games Palmer has played well, but we lost and he deserves NO BLAME
December 29th, 2012 at 4:40 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:27 am
RediaR Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:24 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:12 am
retard = somebody with their own opinion, who doesn’t agree with you?
grow up, dr bob!
I’ve posted many times why I don’t think Palmer is the answer. it’s not like I’m posting “Palmer sucks!” every 5 minutes with nothing to back it up or prove my point
you and I will never agree on CP3. I’ve accepted that and I’m not gonna try to convince you to change your ways. when you start hurling insults or name calling, it just shows that you’ve run out of material & accepted defeat.
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because i make fun of u means i’ve accepted defeat? nice spin. it’s like the kid who gets beat up claiming victory cuz the guy who did it called him a puzzy.
lemme ask u this: would u be clamoring for these guys to be replaced?:
e.manning
bradford
freeman
cutler
stafford
vick
luck
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There are two guys on that list, who’s team’s fans I haven’t heard at least a little bit of replacement talk from. Luck because he is a rookie who has lead the team with the #1 overall pick to the playoffs and Eli because he just got done winning a second Superbowl.
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bullsh!t. maybe bradford and vick have worn out their welcome to some degree. cutler is still seen as a great talent. and stafford and freeman are seen as top quality franchise qb’s.
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I said “a little bit”. That doesn’t mean it was a majority opinion, just that I’ve heard it at least a few times. Vick has certainly worn out his welcome. Bradford is losing people after yet another losing season. Cutler is still seen as a great talent… with attitude, maturity and decision making problems that can and have limited his success greatly. Stafford brings a range of opinions from borderline elite level to just the guy who throws to Calvin. For him I refer you to the “a little bit”. Freeman is a model of inconsistency. He’s played great and played terribly. Mostly though he’s been rather mediocre in his career and thus is not widely considered “top quality”.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:42 am
Raider Rockstar…
Just throwing food for thought on the table.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Why is it that the only people who consider Palmer to be a great QB are Raider fans? It’s been the case since the trade.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:44 am
sd 32-46 297 yards 69.6% 1td 0int 94.2 rating
atl 23-33 353 yards 69.7% 1td 1int 102.2 rating
tb 39-61 414 yards 63.9% 4td 3int 85.0 rating
bal 29-45 368 yards 64.4% 2td 1int 95.4 rating
cle 34-54 351 yards 63.0% 2td 1int 86.3 rating
den 19-30 273 yards 63.3% 2td 1int 101.1 rating
if u don’t know those are winning #’s by a qb, then ur clueless. palmer earned 10 wins. the team let him down.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:45 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:39 am
san diego, atlanta, tampa bay, baltimore, cleveland, denver
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LOL!!!!
I said point out the games Palmer has played well, but we lost and he deserves NO BLAME
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so a white qb has to be perfect but a black qb can be horrendous and u will still root for the black guy over the white one?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 am
And I don’t hate Palmer, I just think his ability has been greatly overstated by Raider fans since the trade.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:47 am
RediaR Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:44 am
Why is it that the only people who consider Palmer to be a great QB are Raider fans? It’s been the case since the trade.
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who said he was great? so many lies here. nobody is rooting AGAINST pryor and nobody is saying palmer is great. he’s a good qb, and pryor has extremely sketchy passing ability.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 am
That Mark is looking to hire a President of Football Operations (Ray Anderson) shows he’s not entirely confident with Reggie, shows he needs someone who understands football and front office football to be hired who can properly evaluate the GM’s performance, decisions, shows he recognizes Reggie is a rookie GM who he sees has made mistakes or has worried him whether he might tamper with some raider ethics, and wants to give him a superior to help guide him or lend him support.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 am
#630 intended for Raider Rockstar btw.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:49 am
RediaR Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 am
And I don’t hate Palmer, I just think his ability has been greatly overstated by Raider fans since the trade.
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wait. u think PALMERS’S ability has been overstated, not PRYOR’S?
SAY WHAT?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:50 am
sd 32-46 297 yards 69.6% 1td 0int 94.2 rating
atl 23-33 353 yards 69.7% 1td 1int 102.2 rating
tb 39-61 414 yards 63.9% 4td 3int 85.0 rating
bal 29-45 368 yards 64.4% 2td 1int 95.4 rating
cle 34-54 351 yards 63.0% 2td 1int 86.3 rating
den 19-30 273 yards 63.3% 2td 1int 101.1 rating
winning numbers. facts. not opinions.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:51 am
so a white qb has to be perfect but a black qb can be horrendous and u will still root for the black guy over the white one?
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is this Palmer’s first start?
was Pryor the 1st overall pick, like 10 years ago?
sorry – I think you missed the point quite a while back
December 29th, 2012 at 4:55 am
palmer’s qb ratings for our wins:
pit 103.7
jax 74.4
kc 83.8
kc 80.0
notice anything?
in our losses that he played subpar:
mia 74.4
den 73.4
no 76.3
cin 64.1
in the six losses that he posted good #’s, he should have won, if we had a better team.
palmer played 10-4 ball.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:51 am
so a white qb has to be perfect but a black qb can be horrendous and u will still root for the black guy over the white one?
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is this Palmer’s first start?
was Pryor the 1st overall pick, like 10 years ago?
sorry – I think you missed the point quite a while back
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no, u did. palmer has displayed over the years that he is a good qb. he came in highly regarded and has been good.
pryor came in with a lot of skepticism. a LOT. very questionable.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:57 am
Why is it that the only people who consider Palmer to be a great QB are Raider fans? It’s been the case since the trade.
And I don’t hate Palmer, I just think his ability has been greatly overstated by Raider fans since the trade.
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Redia,
because ever since Gannon’s neck injury we’ve been saddled with some pretty horrible QB’s. Palmer has the leadership, the arm and the experience. his decision making makes him an average QB. You certainly don’t blow a 1st rounder this year and 2nd rounder next year on a player who you don’t think will be elite. bad trade engineered by Hue Jackson. Jason Campbell finally had the same OC two years in a row and he was 4-2 before the injury. we didn’t have to mortgage the future and put our next GM in this predicament. Mark Davis isn’t a football guy though and Hue Jackson was a smooth talker, snake oil salesman.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:58 am
all u have is skin color and opinions based on ur hopes and dreams, and apparently bigotry.
i have stats and facts.
i win.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:59 am
GG,
see post #637 to Redia
all the more reason to hire Ray Anderson!!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:00 am
palmer is the #18 qb of all-time. it’s a documented fact.
hue went for the brass ring. he failed. but the team looked like it could make the playoffs until boller was in. i don’t blame hue for trying. it was better than giving up.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:02 am
Pryor has been clean since we drafted him. thats all I care about, Dr Bob (I dont care about what happened at Ohio State)
he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude. he’s professional and he’s coachable. he’s still young and somewhat raw, I’d expect.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he can’t win more than 8 games out of 25, like Palmer. we’ll see
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:02 am
Pryor has been clean since we drafted him. thats all I care about, Dr Bob (I dont care about what happened at Ohio State)
he’s a hard worker with a positive attitude. he’s professional and he’s coachable. he’s still young and somewhat raw, I’d expect.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he can’t win more than 8 games out of 25, like Palmer. we’ll see
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2 problems:
he doesn’t throw well
ur making the same mistake with him as ur making with palmer. it’s not on him to win games. he’s responsible for playing good qb. that’s all. it’s on the team to win games.
just bone headed.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 am
QB’S DON’T WIN GAMES! TEAMS DO! GET IT?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 am
the team looked like it could make the playoffs until boller was in.
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Boller was hand picked by Hue Jackson. he was a system fit.
see comparison to Knapp/Leinart?
if you hire a #2 QB just because he knows the system, but he sucks as a football player … guess what?
you’re gonna lose ballgames. bad job choosing #2 QB’s two years in a row. Meanwhile, we have no idea what Pryor is capable of
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 am
QB’S DON’T WIN GAMES! TEAMS DO! GET IT?
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if teams lose, if usually falls on the HC & QB
I think Reggie might keep both this next season – but it usually doesn’t work out that way (see Reid & Vick in Philly)
December 29th, 2012 at 5:11 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 am
the team looked like it could make the playoffs until boller was in.
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Boller was hand picked by Hue Jackson. he was a system fit.
see comparison to Knapp/Leinart?
if you hire a #2 QB just because he knows the system, but he sucks as a football player … guess what?
you’re gonna lose ballgames. bad job choosing #2 QB’s two years in a row. Meanwhile, we have no idea what Pryor is capable of
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take a look arond the nfl. the leinarts and bollers of the world make their living as #2’s. it’s rare for a backup to win.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:12 am
and the real world definitely does have an idea what pryor can do. he’s not a visitor from another planet. he’s been graded. we know his skills. that’s why he’s questionable.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:14 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 am
QB’S DON’T WIN GAMES! TEAMS DO! GET IT?
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if teams lose, if usually falls on the HC & QB
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by simple fans perhaps. nfl people judge their performance. isolating the qb is for kids, housewives, and guys who never played.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:15 am
it’s rare for a backup to win.
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yes and no.
it’s rare for a 1st round bust, proven loser to win at QB on his next team as a #2 QB
it’s pretty common for a backup QB to eventually be named the starter and have success at qb
December 29th, 2012 at 5:18 am
by simple fans perhaps. nfl people judge their performance.
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sorry Dr Bob, I was stating facts (not opinions)
HC & QB are usually the first to get dumped if teams lose continually. why do you think so many are calling for Allen’s head right now? why do you think the fan reaction on this blog is “classic Palmer” every time he throws a 4th qtr interception?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:18 am
by simple fans perhaps. nfl people judge their performance.
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sorry Dr Bob, I was stating facts (not opinions)
HC & QB are usually the first to get dumped if teams lose continually. why do you think so many are calling for Allen’s head right now? why do you think the fan reaction on this blog is “classic Palmer” every time he throws a 4th qtr interception?
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why? stupidity. qb’s get dumped when their #’s are poor. period.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:15 am
it’s rare for a backup to win.
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yes and no.
it’s rare for a 1st round bust, proven loser to win at QB on his next team as a #2 QB
it’s pretty common for a backup QB to eventually be named the starter and have success at qb
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pryor never earned the #2 spot. he is being given it now by default.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:15 am
it’s rare for a backup to win.
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yes and no.
it’s rare for a 1st round bust, proven loser to win at QB on his next team as a #2 QB
it’s pretty common for a backup QB to eventually be named the starter and have success at qb
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name current starting qb’s who fit that. if it’s common, shouldn’t be difficult.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:25 am
qb’s get dumped when their #’s are poor
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NEWSFLASH!!
wins and turnovers are stats too.
they are considered “poor numbers” when you evaluate Palmer
December 29th, 2012 at 5:28 am
let’s call “success” being in the top half of the league. that’s pretty generous.
these are the 15 qb’s who rank above palmer:
Aaron Rodgers
Robert Griffin
Alex Smith
Peyton Manning
Matt Ryan
Tom Brady
Russell Wilson
Ben Roethlisberger
Drew Brees
Tony Romo
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco
Cam Newton
Andy Dalton
Philip Rivers
where’s all the former backups who were eventually named starter and are having success?
i see one. matt schaub.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Looking forward to the first series on offense after a three and out by the Chargers!
Pryor in! The silver and black dominated stands are in bedlam! Not since the second Louis vs. Schmeling fight in 1938 when all time in the free world halted as the Brown Bomber took the stage against Schmeling, the only man to defeat him up to that point with a devastating knock out in the 12th round, and Hitler’s poster boy (even though he would not fire his Jewish manager and saved several Jews from the Nazis).
But I digress….
First play! oh…..
False start.
Second play.
Pitch to McFadden for a loss of 5. uh oh…….
Third play.
Drops back and check down to Myers for 6. oooh kaay?
Third and 14………oh no………
Pryor rolls out right….scramble back to his left….pumps once!
hits a crease in the line…….jukes the middle ling backer like he’s standing still!
stiff arms the last flailing safety like an angry father dismissing a wayward child!!!
TOUCH DOWN!! RRRRRAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
and so the legend is born……….
December 29th, 2012 at 5:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:25 am
qb’s get dumped when their #’s are poor
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NEWSFLASH!!
wins and turnovers are stats too.
they are considered “poor numbers” when you evaluate Palmer
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liar. wins aren’t a qb stat. that’s a team stat. turnovers are calculated as part of qb rating. he doesn’t rank as poor. sorry. ur wrong again.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Dr Bob,
Manning backed up Warner. your boy Palmer backed up Kitna. Gannon backed up many QB’s in Minny & KC. Brady backed up Bledsoe. Rodgers backed up Favre. Schaub backed up Vick. Rivers backed up Brees
December 29th, 2012 at 5:31 am
romo was a backup too.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Tom Brady was a former back-up who came in when Bledsoe got injured.
Drew Brees was a back-up who rose.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:33 am
thanks for the list. Almost forgot Romo was a backup for 2 years as well (Bledsoe)
December 29th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Romania Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Looking forward to the first series on offense after a three and out by the Chargers!
Pryor in! The silver and black dominated stands are in bedlam! Not since the second Louis vs. Schmeling fight in 1938 when all time in the free world halted as the Brown Bomber took the stage against Schmeling, the only man to defeat him up to that point with a devastating knock out in the 12th round, and Hitler’s poster boy (even though he would not fire his Jewish manager and saved several Jews from the Nazis).
But I digress….
First play! oh…..
False start.
Second play.
Pitch to McFadden for a loss of 5. uh oh…….
Third play.
Drops back and check down to Myers for 6. oooh kaay?
Third and 14………oh no………
Pryor rolls out right….scramble back to his left….pumps once!
hits a crease in the line…….jukes the middle ling backer like he’s standing still!
stiff arms the last flailing safety like an angry father dismissing a wayward child!!!
TOUCH DOWN!! RRRRRAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
and so the legend is born……….
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comparing joe louis in 1938 to terelle pryor in 2012? talk abou race being everything to someone. get real.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:33 am
thanks for proving my point, Dr Bob
have a great day gents!!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Dr Bob,
Manning backed up Warner. your boy Palmer backed up Kitna. Gannon backed up many QB’s in Minny & KC. Brady backed up Bledsoe. Rodgers backed up Favre. Schaub backed up Vick. Rivers backed up Brees
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most were drafted very high and were never seen as sketchy backups, who miraculously succeeded. comparing them to pryor dumb.
he compares with romo and schaub only. but he reall compares to kaepernick. but he’s not as skilled as a passer. u will sunday.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:36 am
“Joe Louis was a credit to his race, the human race.”
December 29th, 2012 at 5:37 am
ur point is that u hate palmer cuz he’s white and support pryor cuz he’s black. stats and every objective thing possible would lead any non-bigot to know uncategorically that palmer is far superior to pryor as a qb.
just boneheaded.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Dr R
Just having a little fun.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Romania Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:36 am
“Joe Louis was a credit to his race, the human race.”
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yes indeed. it was 1938. how do u come up with louis defeating nazis being simliar to pryor?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:39 am
are black qb’s all bad if pryor sucks on sunday?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:39 am
When Pryor makes a great play at some point, like did vs Detroit pre-season, he’s just gonna go nuts after, really get into the game, not thinking so much, will do something as part of fighting for a first down on 3rd and long, and then he’ll just go crazy
December 29th, 2012 at 5:39 am
is any black qb getting a start in the nfl like defeating nazis?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:40 am
we’ll see. i hope he’s great. i’ll be his biggest fan. but it’s unlikely.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Need a black NFL commissioner
December 29th, 2012 at 5:41 am
but all of the palmer bashing is not only ignorant but stinks of racism and being an anti-raider.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:42 am
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Need a black NFL commissioner
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why? i would think we need a GOOD commissioner, regardless of skin color.
guess we know where ur head is at.
racism is racism.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:42 am
are you talking to me? Dr r?
I was just having fun with the moment. Race is the furthest thing from my mind.
I thought Palmer did very well considering his supporting cast this year. Most of the time he was pounded with no running game until he was finally almost killed.
I wish Pryor the best, however. Why not?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:43 am
haha im just pulling your chain
December 29th, 2012 at 5:46 am
Dr Robert…
I had a punt on Pryor statistics for this game.
22/35 254 yards 2 TDs 1 INT
1 rec 34 yards 1 TD
6 carries 75 yards 1 TD.
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Would like you to have a punt too
December 29th, 2012 at 5:46 am
ok guys. it will be interesting sunday. i hope he doesn’t suck. that will be depressing. but at least we’ll know.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
realistically?
10-19 110 yards 1 int
8 rushes 65 yards 1 td 1 fumble
December 29th, 2012 at 5:48 am
and apprently the biggest “qb stat” of all, a loss.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
You think we’ll only pass 19 times all game?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
GG I hope Pryor can buy some time and hook up to some receivers way down field. He’s got some young guys who hopefully he can find some chemistry with. It’s what makes Romo so entertaining. Hope he’s half as good. Moore is really an artist as a football player in my opinion. He’s getting beaten to death by Knapp’s system.
Love Pryor’s fire.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:53 am
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
You think we’ll only pass 19 times all game?
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i will consider it a major achievement if he’s not pulled by halftime. the offense is not going to do well. they will try to lean on the run game and keep pryor from having to do too much.
u guys are very unrealistic.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Romania…
Can’t say often enough how impressed i am with pryor’s maturity, attitude, humility yet confidence and self-belief, fire to win. he’s a 100% typical Raider and Al-type of player.
Al wasn’t perfect, but i fell in love with Al’s way of thinking and fire, and Pryor’s got that same kind of spunk in spades.
He’ll have his bad or rookie plays, but as the game develops, he’ll take a needed first down on his shoulders and it’ll just switch on, he’ll lose himself in the contest, and just let his natural flair prevail.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:56 am
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:53 am
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
You think we’ll only pass 19 times all game?
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i will consider it a major achievement if he’s not pulled by halftime. the offense is not going to do well. they will try to lean on the run game and keep pryor from having to do too much.
u guys are very unrealistic.
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Remember, the run game has been woeful all year, the Chargers know we’ll try to run it a lot to ease Pryor in. That’s why we’ll end up having to pass more, Pryor will just go nuts at some point, let them rip and start taking the ball in hand and making 40+ yards a pop….because the run game will be stifled early and he’ll need to make something happen.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Pryor sounds looks thinks talks and acts like a leader.
So glad we have him not the whiny spoiled-brat Newton
December 29th, 2012 at 5:59 am
GG
Hope so. It’s what makes sports worth watching.
After this long year of such boring mediocrity, it would be a miracle. To bad the game starts for me at 11:25 pm and I only get to watch a fuzzy picture over the net!
At least they’re finally playing the guy.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Romania…
so true what you said about it’s what makes sports worth watching. the unearthing of a talent, and seeing him take the stage and fight thru against the odds and critics and stand on top of the world.
you said like Joe Louis, but also like Ali.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
gg–u have a dream i hope it comes true.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:13 am
GG
What could top the Rumble in the Jungle for drama? If you haven’t already, you should rent the movie When We Were Kings. It won an Oscar for documentary, and it was about the Ali Foreman fight. James Brown, who I met in Finland of all places, was in it as well. What an event!
But the Louis Schmeling fight was greater not for the fight, but the significance.
What the US government did to Louis with taxes was a disgrace. Schmeling, who became very wealthy in his later years through his distributorship of Coca Cola in Germany was a great friend to Louis and helped him out financially many times.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:15 am
#488; I’m not sure if you’re simply stupid, or just enjoy debating. Players, media and analyst (example Romo and Lorenzo Neal) among many. Players can’t be overly vocal or they might lose their job.
orwww.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders…/post/Raiders-players-say-Jackson…
December 29th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Just think of it this way….
Look how excited the Redskins fans are, seeing their qb perform great. an exciting talent. rejuvenated excitement in washington.
Same thing happening in Carolina and Indianapolis.
The Raiders have an exciting potential star like this, we’ve svcked for so long, havent had a truly young exciting qb even since forever. When Dmac was tearing it up last year, you sensed that excitement.
You gotta realize the importance of this game, could mean so much.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Was first to say it a week or two ago…that Jason Tarver is impressive as a coach. As a teacher and gravitating personality. That he will make for a good HC one day. Keep an eye on it 3-5 years.
Compare watching/listening to a Tarver interview to a Knapp interview, and you’ll see it.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Terrell Pryor = member of the Heart of a Lion club
December 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
My biggest concern for TP long-term is his deep ball.
I think when he is completely clean and throwing with no defense he has a very strong arm.
But in games, he really throws some wobblers. Doesn’t really spin it, more of a power through the trees type thrower.
Will see if that was just a mechanics thing that Knapp has improved for him or not.
I watched that Sugar Bowl between him and Arkansas, and I really thought both him and Mallett looked like what they became.
3rd round picks. Talented, but bad decisions, and bad throws sprinkled in every quarter.
Pryor was somewhere like 4-11 for 25 yards and a turnover in the 2nd half of that game.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:47 am
2nd half of the Sugar Bowl, TP had 9 carries for 53 yards, but was 1-7 for 18 yards passing.
The Sweater Vest coddled him a lot though, lot’s of 3rd and 9 designed runs for TP.
Why these kids go to these schools that do that is beyond me. 3rd and 9, let the kid sling it and learn the NFL game.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Got Geno Smith to “Scout” today for us Semi’s.
Interesting that the Syracuse QB actually has a much stronger arm than him, but is nowhere near the prospect he is.
Also heard McShay talking about the game, and saying watch for the two WR’s for WVU, Bailey and Austin.
Then proceeded to say they were both 3rd to 4th round picks.
Really? If we can get Stedman Bailey in the 4th round, that would be the biggest draft steal in ages.
That dude would be an instant starter for us.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Hello????????
December 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am
688.. last year we were mediocre this year we toss salads..
December 29th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am
688.. last year we were mediocre this year we toss salads..
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It’ll get better next year. A bunch of check-cashers will be gone, we’ll have a better offensive coordinator and o-line coach, and the defense should be improved. Call it 7-9 next year, playoffs the year after.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Tp is looking better for dr rob.. now he has more yards on fewer passes… I thought you said you knew what was going to happen and there’s no reason to evaluate tp?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Of the 8-8 teams last year (Raiders, Chargers, Bronco’s, Jets, Bears, Cardinals, Cowboys, Eagles, Bronco’s) only one team changed their QB and that is the one team that really improved and are assured of the playoffs.
Cowboys and Bears might backdoor into the playoffs, we will see.
Going back through the years, seems that going 4-12 gives you a better chance to make the playoffs the next year than going 8-8.
Almost all 8-8 teams regress the next year.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Morning Fellas,
Thanks for the insight JFB.
I’m not much of a college football guy, but because my father in law is staying with us for a month,(big on college ball) I’ve been watching.
So I’ll have my out for the Guys you mentioned.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/29/offensive-innovator-chris-ault-leaves-nevada-could-head-to-nfl/
What about DA hiring this guy and giving him the keys to the offense?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Austin for WVU is more of a Percy Harvin type (a lot smaller though) a guy without a position except baller.
I don’t think he is coming out after this year, but he is one of the best open field runners I have seen in some time.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Ault would want to stay on the West Coast, so he could be a possibility actually.
Kind of old though, he is pushing 70 I think.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:47 am
2nd half of the Sugar Bowl, TP had 9 carries for 53 yards, but was 1-7 for 18 yards passing.
The Sweater Vest coddled him a lot though, lot’s of 3rd and 9 designed runs for TP.
Why these kids go to these schools that do that is beyond me. 3rd and 9, let the kid sling it and learn the NFL game.
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Because it’s THE Ohio State University!! Hello!!
Every game is Televised.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Go Buckeyes!! It should be us vs ND, but its OK. The vest effed us, but we still love him. How can you hate a guy who beat Mich 8 consecutive years.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Ault invented a new offense at 65…this was after he was already in the Hall of Fame and retired once.. krapp hasnt added a new play to his book..EVER . I’d take ault over krapp anyday and twice on sunday..
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Morning fellas, long time since I last posted, truth is this year’s team is so uninspiring that I couldn’t bring myself to keep up with you guys.
Now the 1st year of the Reggie-DA era was an unmitigated disaster, DA was clearly not ready for the job but he did not hire himself, that was Reggie’s decision.
Look around the league, most rookie Head Coaches have made their teams much better, there’s Philbin in Miami, Schiano in Tampa, Fisher in St. Louis and Pagano-Arians in Indy, those were among 2011’s worst teams in football, yes they got an infusion of talent but the Coaching has also been remarkable.
The guys who have failed are retreat Mike Mularkey who took a 5-11 and made it worst, without an NFL caliber QB and his best player in MJD, and our own Dennis Allen who plain and simple looked way over his head.
But who’s to blame here? the inexperienced Coach who jumped at his chance or the rookie GM who hired him?.
It’s almost a year since I brought up David Shaw as a candidate, I think we could have hired him at the time, now his stock is much higher and his hiring looks like a pipe dream.
But there were also solid, veteran Coordinators available, I think Reggie said he went with a “defensive minded” Coach because that’s where we needed more work, well people have mentioned Mike Zimmer, a great candidate with a track record, Jack del Rio, a guy with a couple of playoff appearances was available, Arizona’s Ray Horton was probably a better candidate than DA, Mike Nolan should get a 2nd chance somewhere soon…then there’s Joe Philbin himself who worked with Reggie in GB, why not him? there was also Rick Dennison, Houston’s OC and a former NFL LB, if Reggie wanted the ZBS as the base of the offense, and I’m not sure about that, then Dennison was a great candidate.
Look, hindsight is 20-20 I know, but truth is at the time we all accepted DA because we wanted to trust Reggie, everyone loved Reggie coming here so we didn’t question DA’s hiring much, he knows what he’s doing we figured, but now that the season is over, we are allowed to look back and wonder if it was the right decision and more importantly, if DA is the right guy for the job.
Now as far as personnel, Reggie went and spend good money on Bartell, Spencer, Joselio, Curry, Tollefson, Andre Carter, Brisiel, Carslile and Barnes, those guys costed us around 10 million dollars and we have gotten nothing out of them, it was a collective waste of money, when you don’t have much coin you need to spend it wisely or not spend it at all and use it to shed bad contracts, we did neither.
As far as DA, I don’t like how he handles himself, he’s been full of crap since week 1 when the long-snapper disaster happened, DA tried to save face by saying Goethel had gotten practice reps as the emergency LS only to have Lechler come out and say no he didn’t while praising Goethel for getting out there.
Then there was the weeks-long “we didn’t execute” excuse, as if we had some brilliant game-plans go to waste because of the players, it is the Coaches job to get players ready to play and to execute, that’s what training camp and practice are for, if it’s not working out there, it won’t suddenly happen on gameday, players share the blame of course, but DA and staff wanted no part when it came to accountablity for some of the worst football we’ve seen in 10 years, and that’s saying something.
Watch most pro coaches after a loss, they will usually say something like “it’s our job to get this guys ready to play and put them in position to make plays, we didn’t do that, we have to coach better and we have to play better”, that’s what you say, not just “we didn’t execute”.
And I make that point not to cover for the players, but because in order to have a team come together you need to lead by example, you need to rally the troops around you and set the tone, you must have your players back, team chemistry is huge in today’s game and having players on the same page as the staff is key, we didn’t have that this season and that is on DA and staff.
I have no comments on Knapp, results speak for themselves, but just as with DA, he did not hire himself, I’m sure Greg did the best he could do, you get what you pay for.
Well, it feels good to vent a little.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Glad TP is getting the start…Don’t think I could have watched Check-down Matt in action again…TP will either light it up, totally stink or somewhere in between…Somewhere in between will be enough for me in his first start…Some exciting moments are in store at the very least…and hate to say it but I hope we play the Dolts tough but lose the game since losing will see us pick anywhere from 3rd to 5th in the draft…Winning could drop us 3 to 4 slots.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Now just to be clear, I’m not claiming Reggie should get fired as some say, that’s just ridiculous and I haven’t made my mind up regarding DA yet, a year’s experience should help them get better but if it’s true that Mark Davis and Reggie are indeed wondering about DA’s future, then things must be really bad within the team.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Bob,
I wouldn’t put Schiano on that list, they have been about the only team the last two months worse than us.
He already got sour on his players, Freeman is regressing badly, and will probably be fired the end of next year.
But, welcome back!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
almost all of the excuse makers for this staff have quit. But theres still a few dummies.. and almost all the playoff predicters have changed their stories..or screen names. Welcome to reality.. some of us saw it in the preseason…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Andre Carter has been pretty solid for a midseason pickup.
He almost has as many QB hurries as Kam Wimbley, and in about half the games.
Pretty suprised if he was walking the street to begin the year, especially since he is a solid locker room presence.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Mark,
You were calling for a tank job for two months now, you should be the happiest guy in here!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Knapp is the one I want gone…Although this partly falls on DA for choosing him, the SackKnapp has destroyed our offense…I was furious when they hired him…With CP’s experience and ability to throw any pass, and our speed at the skill positions, we should have been running a “Greatest Show on Turf” style offense…We had Saunders here to operate as adviser to a like-minded young OC.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:11 am
from hiring crap to not having a long snapper to last weeks going for it on fourth and 5 when there is no reason on earth to think of going for it DA has shown he is not getting much better anytime soon…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Pretty surprised if he was walking the street to begin the year, especially since he is a solid locker room presence.
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Remember that Carter had a horrible knee injury late last year that required surgery and a long rehab.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am
DA is on the bubble in my opinion but Knapp is the main architect of our offense’s free fall.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am
The 4th and 5 was the right call, the theory that we would get the ball back and drive the length of the field in about 3 minutes and score our first TD in about 119 minutes of football is laughable.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:13 am
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Pryor sounds looks thinks talks and acts like a leader.
So glad we have him not the whiny spoiled-brat Newton
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Agree. He’s a whiner and should have been penalized for kickiing Kelly.he will never be a winner IMO.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Id be happy if we sat cp3 the last few weeks and we secured the top pick while truly evaluating TP.. what happened looks to me like Dennis Allen disobeyed mark an Reggie and they finally put their foot down.. da either changes his opinions about players overnight or he’s just a liar…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Coaches are liars, all of them, especially to the media.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:16 am
we needed two scores going for it on fourth and 5 wasn’t going to win at the game.. bad call. plus there was almost 6 minutes left in the game..
December 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Also hope to see Tawain Jones. Not sure why he hasn’t seen the field as a rb. If he sucks them whay is he on the roster. Something fishy.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am
We didn’t need two score to tie, which you have to do first.
Again, any other NFL offense, absolutely you kick the FG.
But a Gregg Knapp led, Matt Leinart offense? LOL at deferrring to score a TD later.
We could have played them 3 games and never scored a TD; that was our best chance.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I don’t need a head coach that doesn’t know who our best players are or how to use them. I just don’t need that crap. how many points have we scored on our first possession this season? 3? all year..? it’s astounding stat…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
With all the holiday season violence, pretty much worldwide (or is it media/entertainment sensationalism?!) hope a riot doesn’t ensue from Qualcom on Sunday. . .
Also; could Pryor’s start be regulated to a series here & a series there? Always the threat of a start/mirage in sheep’s clothing. . .although they do need about three quarters of film to base Pryor’s alleged growth on. . .
December 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Also hope to see Tawain Jones. Not sure why he hasn’t seen the field as a rb. If he sucks them whay is he on the roster. Something fishy.
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He’s on the roster because he’s a speedy special-teams demon. Unfortunately, he’s also way too fumble-prone to be a running back, which is why you keep hearing about moving him to CB.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
728.. exactly.. any other NFL team would have taken the points.. I don’t want to be the lame duck
December 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Who are our best players?
I would vote Desmond Bryant, Veldheer, Myers, Wheeler Streater and Reece.
All having career years.
It’s the stiffs like McFadden, TK, Seymour, McClain, and even Branch that flubbed this season.
All will probably be gone next year except for maybe Branch.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:26 am
I am sure if they sent in Seabass to kick the 48 yard FG and missed, everyone would be on here praising DA for making the right call.
Yeahhhhhhh……….
December 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Al Saunders is still on staff in pakland.
He should have been promoted to OCO week 3.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am
We got the ball back after Carolina’s FG, and did we even get past midfield?
The proof is in the pudding of our offense.
What is a more likely scenario with Matt Leinart as your QB, converting a 4th and 5 and then only having about 25 yards to score a TD, or going the length of the field with no timeouts to score a TD?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:30 am
So if da was lying about tp then fire him for cause.. fùck those clowns.. the seasons over quit striving for pointless wins.. cp3 going down was the football gods helping us look like a professional organization. Evaluate and coach up the youngsters.. this seasons over.. Thanks for figuring it out 5 weeks too late da… it’s not like we desperately needed the top pick or anything..
December 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am
BobM, awesome job on post 711. Most of the reson why I stopped posting.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am
goooony goo goo gus
December 29th, 2012 at 9:32 am
DA, knows ZERO about the offense, so who does ge trust????
That used car slickster knapp… Does anyone on this blog trust napp????
December 29th, 2012 at 9:33 am
The proof is in the pudding.. these coaches suck from game plan to player development.. they are the worst in the nfl.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Statistically the facts are as follows for the Oakland Raiders:
2011 Total offense 16 total passing 11 total rushing 7
2012 Total offense 18 total passing 8 total rushing 29
The rushing drop off is a fact. I still feel not having Bush (CAP casualty) hurt us. Having Dmac AND Goodson get hurt over the exact same five game stretch was a major contributor as well.
I keep hearing about how great the offense was last year-
Lose 31-19 to Patriots (game was not even that close)
Lose 28-0 to Chiefs (Palmer filling in for Bollar disaster)
Lose 34-14 to Dolphins (scoring in garbage time)
Lose 46-16 to Packers (scoring in garbage time)
Win 16-13 in OT over Chiefs
Our offense got shutdown by good teams very often last year as well. 2011 was hardly an offensive success. And that team was $22 million over the cap at season’s end having only a 5th and 6th round pick in the upcoming draft.
News quote
“Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.
There remains a distinct possibility that Knapp will return in 2013. Maybe for the sake of continuity, or because it’s not as simple as most fans think to “upgrade” at a coaching position.”
Problems with this year’s team were much bigger than offensive play calling and scheme.
We need to get better players while working our cap mess down. That will take nailing our next two drafts. FA’s will be few and far between.
Assistant coaching issues are the least of our problems.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Now as far as personnel, Reggie went and spend good money on Bartell, Spencer, Joselio, Curry, Tollefson, Andre Carter, Brisiel, Carslile and Barnes, those guys costed us around 10 million dollars
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Bartell and Spencer were a disaster, as I told people before the season started it would be.
HAVE TO improve our secondary next season.
Kind of a head-scratcher why Reggie didn’t draft a DB last draft.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Kudo’s to all the Semi’s who saw this train wreck during preseason.
You guys know your football, unlike some of the wishers like myself. Wishing and hoping things get better.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am
did we squander our opportunity to score on fourth down yes. did we get the ball back with an opportunity to score yes. That’s why any other team would have kicked a field goal got the ball back and try to score. da had lost confidence in everything about his team so he foolishly went for it and got busted.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:38 am
I wished and dreamed too.. but the day we hired crap I knew my dreams just turned into a nightmare
December 29th, 2012 at 9:38 am
The proof is in the pudding.. these coaches suck from game plan to player development.. they are the worst in the nfl.
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I think Romeo Crennel’s staff take that award, going from 7 wins to 2.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I would take crennel at DCO over DA and Tarver 24 days a week.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
did we get the ball back with an opportunity to score yes.
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What did we do with that opportunity?
That’s my point.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:40 am
I found Reggie’s entire offseason to be a head scratcher..
December 29th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Consider it good fortune when you can draft immediate impact players after the first two rounds.
Does not happen that often.
Bartell and Spencer were available because they are injury prone. What happened?
Carter was availble because he is 33 coming off a serious injury.
Not many AllPros laying around in their living rooms waiting to play for the Raiders at the league veteran minimum.
We did as well as can be expected given our cap limitaions and lack of a first and second round picks.
Simply too many holes and not enough draft picks to fill them.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Lose 31-19 to Patriots (game was not even that close)
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That simply isn’t true. Campbell threw right to a defender in the end zone with no receiver within 10 yards.
If he threw to the right colored jersey, we were in that game, and NE was having a HELL of a problem with McFadden. We had over 500 yards of offense.
Please… be factual with your arguments.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
If Mr. Davis ran the whole org from top to bottom, i would not be upset.
That included Mumbles…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
well if your point is that we shouldn’t make the correct decisions on the field because we are too incompetent as a team to accomplish those goals…then sadly I have to agree with you JFB
December 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raiders went 99 yards on the final drive of the Pats game to make it 31-19 with 45 seconds left in the game.
Got 186 yards of our offense in the 4th quarter, when the game was 31-13, and the Patriots started resting the starters.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Marks hair Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am
did we squander our opportunity to score on fourth down yes. did we get the ball back with an opportunity to score yes. That’s why any other team would have kicked a field goal got the ball back and try to score. da had lost confidence in everything about his team so he foolishly went for it and got busted.
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But that was the only time he took a chance on anything ALL YEAR!!
Tough to cherry pick stuff like that.
You are prolly right… 20/20 hindsite was to kick the FG… but DA has been much too conservative for my taste all season.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
well if your point is that we shouldn’t make the correct decisions on the field because we are too incompetent as a team to accomplish those goals…then sadly I have to agree with you JFB
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That is exactly my point!!!
People are acting like we are some normal offense, and we can just wait, because you know that next drive will be different than the previous 25, we will score a TD!!!!!!
You have to adapt to the situation. Coach knew that was our ONLY chance to score a TD. That was it, that was our chance.
We hadn’t scored a TD the previous 119 minutes of football, since a garbage TD at the end of the Browns game.
Why anyone would think we could COUNT on scoring a TD on the next drive is beyond me.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Raiders went 99 yards on the final drive of the Pats game to make it 31-19 with 45 seconds left in the game.
Got 186 yards of our offense in the 4th quarter, when the game was 31-13, and the Patriots started resting the starters.
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We would have taken the LEAD deep in the 2nd quarter if not for Campbells bonehead mistake.
And 500 yards is 500 yards. Good gawd you guys can be obstinate.
You gain 500 yards of offense in any NFL game you dont point to that game as “struggling.”
Grow up.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I never said we were “Struggling” but those 500 yards have about as much validity as Carson’s 4,000 yards this season.
Yards, no points, half of it in garbage time.
FACTS
December 29th, 2012 at 9:56 am
LOL at “grow up.”
We are posting on a message board about a miserable football team.
I think we could all use a little “growing up”.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Looking at that Pats game box score.
And I see 1 punt return by D-Moore for 18 yards.
18 yards on a punt return!!!!! That has to be one of our best 2 or 3 returns in the last 3 years, lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Golden State Warriors tied for the NBA lead in road wins!!!!
I never thought I would ever type those above 11 words.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Some people here are just liars!! Suddenly pryor has fans here?!?!
So many peopl out of the blue ” hope he plays well”
That is strange becuase after the preseason I suggested here that Pryor should start if we entered week 11-12 & were clearly out of it, & I was attacked for it. In fact only 1-2 people agreed , everyone else said he is not a qb & should never see the field!!!!
Guys like lofty, lefty, jfb, inonewordraider, djjohnny, macfadden20 & so on have all tried to change up as if it would go unnoticed.
There are too many impostors to list on this issue.
STICK TO YOUR GUNS FOLKS YOU STILL HAVE PALMER TO WIRSHIP!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
And they still can’t beat the lakers….
December 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I never said we were “Struggling” but those 500 yards have about as much validity as Carson’s 4,000 yards this season.
Yards, no points, half of it in garbage time.
FACTS
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Did you even watch the game? McF was tearing NE up!
And I had top laugh when you said NE was resting starters… like Billichick ever rests starters!! Brady is tossing passes deep into 40 point blowouts, I doubt any defensive players were out.
But do wildly keep LYING to make a point. Your pants aren’t far enough around your ankles pointing to a 500 yard game as being horrible.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Impostor fans……. EXPOSED!!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Mistic,
I never “worshipped” Palmer, said we gave up too much for him immediately, and have turned on him since the Bucs game.
I said Pryor never should see the field? When?
Do you hear voices in your head?
BTW, Mr. Imposter fan, you didn’t answer how many games you went to this year.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Lying, what am I lying about?
Did we not score with 45 seconds left? Did we not get almost half of our yards in a meaningless 4th quarter?
You “doubt any defensive players were out” do you? Well go look at who was making all the tackles our final 3 drives.
Backups.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I understand though people don’t want to end up on the wrong side of this one like they did with jc, then jc went 12-7 & took us to first place.
Too late losers your takes are cemented in the archives.
If Pryor even shows a flash of ability there will be a major competition next year.
We know who the fake Pryor supporters are.
These are the guys that agreed with me on Pryor from the gate:
Priest, raiderdebo, marks hair, Kirk.
Others joined in later, but still before it was popular Jhill, jb, come to mind.
The rest are simply full of it
December 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Here is who made the tackles the last few drives.
Tracy White
Dane Fletcher
Antwaun Molden
Backups. Yes there were still some starters on the field, but the bench was emptied.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Lying, what am I lying about?
Did we not score with 45 seconds left? Did we not get almost half of our yards in a meaningless 4th quarter?
You “doubt any defensive players were out” do you? Well go look at who was making all the tackles our final 3 drives.
Backups.
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I have NFL Replay to check this out.
Care to put some money on this?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Fake Pryor supporters, lol.
Hey I loved the Phillip Wheeler signing first!!! You are an imposter Wheeler fan.
I have been touting Desmond Bryant since he ever played a snap, way before it was “popular”.
Your too late, only an imposter.
How many games did you attend again?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Jfb you are a liar, you said he would never take the field as a qb & should switch positions!!!
Don’t change your tune now!!!
jfb……. EXPOSED!!!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Here is who made the tackles the last few drives.
Tracy White
Dane Fletcher
Antwaun Molden
Backups. Yes there were still some starters on the field, but the bench was emptied.
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Moving the goal posts already!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
What are we betting on?
If Dane Fletcher, Antwaun Molden or Tracy White were starters that game?
Sure, I will give you 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 odds, what’s the bet.
LOL
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
i have ben a raiders fan 1960 GO PRYOR
December 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Come on Mistic, tell us again how great Hue Jackson is doing in Oakland again.
Oh wait…what’s that…you changed your opinion on him mid-season?
“Don’t change your tune now”.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Here is who made the tackles the last few drives.
Tracy White
Dane Fletcher
Antwaun Molden
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Dane Fletcher had a tackle in the first quarter too.. what does this prove?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Tell us again how great Jamarcus will be.
Oh….changed your opinion again did we?
Mistic exposed!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Gdog,
Not sure what you are trying to prove her, I simply said we padded our offensive stats the end of the game (which we did) and New England started taking guys like Wilfork and Spikes and Mayo off the field, especialy the final drive.
We did, and they did. No big deal man.
Yes, Soup throws a better pass the first half in the red zone, a completely different game.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
What are we betting on?
If Dane Fletcher, Antwaun Molden or Tracy White were starters that game?
Sure, I will give you 1,000,000,000,000 to 1 odds, what’s the bet.
LOL
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Pay up beotch…
1 11:10 3 19 NWE 22 Jason Campbell pass complete short middle to Kevin Boss for 12 yards (tackle by Dane Fletcher and Kyle Arrington)
December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am
BTW Mistic, you weren’t that keen on Pryor last season, and you “changed your tune” apparently.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
If Dane Fletcher, Antwaun Molden or Tracy White were starters that game?
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Were they?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The “1 11:10″ means first quarter at the 11:10 mark… THE FIRST SERIES OF DOWNS!!
I will bet one dollar… wheres my million?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
If Dane Fletcher, Antwaun Molden or Tracy White were starters that game?
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Were they?
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I dunno you tell me… do starters play during the first series of downs?
Or just the “scrubs?”
December 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
*Sigh*
I give up.
Yup, Dane Fletcher is their starting LB, so is Tracy White.
Forget Spikes and Mayo, White and Fletcher is who they play down the stretch.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I’ve been a raider fan too long I always think the next quarterback began to be Kenny Stabler Billy Joel Holberg was the answer Russell wasn’t the answer may be Prior will be the answer it is the last player that Al Davis drafted I’m sure he’ll be watching tomorrow hell if prior can get a touchdown that will be better than the last two games.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Or just the “scrubs?”
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Why do you keep putting these words in quotes? Do you not understand the role of quotation marks?
I never said “Scrubs”. Backups. Fletcher is a backup LB, got a problem with it, take it up with New Englands depth chart.
“Scrubs” and “struggling” two words you put in quotes, like anyone else said it.
Okie dokey
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Wrong I chose the wait & see approach on pryor. Watched lots of Pryor in college & was one of my favorites. I was concerned about his work ethic & mechanics & compared him to Vince young.
He has matured on & off the field & I am thrilled. His mechanics have cleaned up he will own you ( I hope)
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Or just the “scrubs?”
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Why do you keep putting these words in quotes? Do you not understand the role of quotation marks?
I never said “Scrubs”. Backups. Fletcher is a backup LB, got a problem with it, take it up with New Englands depth chart.
“Scrubs” and “struggling” two words you put in quotes, like anyone else said it.
Okie dokey
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Whatever floats your boat Bubba.
Just curious… do you do anything besides post here?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Gdog
Just fire pointed out the facts on the PATS game. You chhoose to ignore them.
Did you see the PACKER or Dolphin game?
Good physical defenses shut down our offenses and have since 2003.
Like under the coaches that preceeded him, when Hue had a big game against a good defense our O imploded.
I like Hue. He just did not have the horses on the field to beat a good D.
That is why I have been saying that to win in the NFL especially against physical teams (next year schedule against NFC east will show this) you better win your one on ones on the line of scrimmage.
We need to build the lines through the draft.Then you can hire any OC you want and they will look like a genius.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
763.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Some people here are just liars!! Suddenly pryor has fans here?!?!
So many peopl out of the blue ” hope he plays well”
That is strange becuase after the preseason I suggested here that Pryor should start if we entered week 11-12 & were clearly out of it, & I was attacked for it. In fact only 1-2 people agreed , everyone else said he is not a qb & should never see the field!!!!
Guys like lofty, lefty, jfb, inonewordraider, djjohnny, macfadden20 & so on have all tried to change up as if it would go unnoticed.
There are too many impostors to list on this issue.
STICK TO YOUR GUNS FOLKS YOU STILL HAVE PALMER TO WIRSHIP!!!!
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Unlike you, most of us are RAIDER FANS and that being so will of course root for Pryor “to do well” because if he is playing quarterback AND he does well we might win the game.
Only FAKE fans would root against their QB to succeed, even if they don’t like that he is in the position.
Kind of like you rooting against Palmer.
My challenge still stands for you to find ‘in the archives” where I said ANYTHING saying i ever wanted Pryor to fail, or even where i said that i think he would fail.
You said it’s there so i’m sure you could find it.
What you would find is numerous posts where I said he should be STARTING the last few games and only positive comments about him.
You have me confused with someone else dude.
Why is that so hard to understand?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
The only thing I said about russel here was he was better than grads. I joined this board when russel was already known to be having issues off the field.
You have confused me with someone else
December 29th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Just curious… do you do anything besides post here?
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Nothing
December 29th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Who the fugg is raided Steve?!?!?
Cross poster maybe?
I don’t think I mentioned you at all mr. Nobody
I didn’t root against Palmer. , but I did predict his miserable failure ..
I did this becuase of the backward impostors that trashed a 12-7 winner jc in favor of sad sack flea bitten losers like grads & Palmer.
Don’t be upset becuase I was right cross poster. Lol
December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 am
The only thing I said about russel here was he was better than grads.
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Swing and a miss
December 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
If you’re taking a “wait and see” approach to gauging Pryor, wouldn’t that not start until tomorrow? We haven’t seen anything from pryor, unless you’ve been to every practice since he’s been back from last years suspension.
The gauging of Pryor will not finish tomorrow, no matter how he plays, but that is the place for us all to start.
To say its a foregone conclusion that he is a our savior, or a total flop, is not seeing anything. Its speculating-and you have a 50/50 chance of being right.
Excited to see him play-but I’m checking my expectations at the door, and will just see what happens. Let’s hope for the best. If he does well, it makes getting a qb in the draft to compete less important-and thats all.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:53 am
if AL hadn’t drafted Russell somebody else would’ve I was so excited that we drafted him I bought $100 jersey and sent it to my daughter in Australia and she has never wore it I will sell it cheap. Prior is a prototype of quarterbacks in the NFL today let’s hope the he is coached right. He will be the backup quarterback next year if he does good tomorrow Palmer is the best quarterback we’ve had since Rich Gannon. DA will be there next year I hope that hell the office of coordinator I can’t say his name it makes me sick. We started the season with backup players and it got worse from there the so maybe with a little more money we can get some better players in this time next year will be talking about playoffs it’s been 13 years I have been a raider fan since 1960 Al Davis saved this franchise and then he tore it down. I understand what he was doing I am 76 and I want to see the Raiders in the Super Bowl before I die and that’s all Al wanted. I got faith in Reggie McKenzie I will say the Raiders will be in the Super Bowl in four years go Raiders
December 29th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Mistic, Alot of guys make predicitions that turn out to be correct but they don’t come on here bragging about it like you do.
I have been saying Palmer isn’t the guy to take us anywhere for a long time, and I was right. Hooray for me, but i rooted for him to succeed cuz he wore a Raider uniform. Real fans are gonna root for Pryor cuz he’s the QB this Sunday and 99% of Raider fans hate the chargers.
You talk like Pryor just took us to the Super Bowl and he hasn’t started a game until now.
What do you expect the fans to say…? “I hope the Raiders lose now cuz Pryor is the QB”?
No REAL fans are gonna say that.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
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I have never been sold on pryor, but this offense is probbably his best chance to stick, he had no shot running the hu jack vertical game
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Mistic = imposter!!!!
And before you start with your nonsense, in May I was touting Geno as a great pocket passer. Link below
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/05/01/raleigh-mckenzie-to-join-scouting-staff/
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
mistic,
how is over 4000 yards passing with 22 tds vs 14 int’s at a 61% completion ratio a miserable failure again?
all this with
a) no line protection due to untimely and idiotic scheme change
b) not a true #1 receiver on the roster.
c) horrible play calling from a proven “miserable” play caller
would it be fair to say his numbers would have been better had he had a, b, and c going for him? i think so… as does anybody else that actually knows football . just ask a raider hater or any other fan of any other team they’re outside view of what they saw in the 2012 NFL season from the Raiders. you’ll get your true answer.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Another blog nobody trying to call me out?
No I saw what I needed in preseason. Like I said I was already sold on his playmaking ability, but his mechanics were vastly improved in preseason. I could also tell by his interviews he was no longer the entitled star he was at Ohio but now a humbled hungry young man.
Being local in Oakland I know a few people that are in the know & they have been saying all year he is first in & last to leave.
Wait & see was strictly in reference to his mechanics & maturity neve had a doubt about his talent .
Chew & swallow
December 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am
797.mcthompso Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
If you’re taking a “wait and see” approach to gauging Pryor, wouldn’t that not start until tomorrow? We haven’t seen anything from pryor, unless you’ve been to every practice since he’s been back from last years suspension.
The gauging of Pryor will not finish tomorrow, no matter how he plays, but that is the place for us all to start.
To say its a foregone conclusion that he is a our savior, or a total flop, is not seeing anything. Its speculating-and you have a 50/50 chance of being right.
Excited to see him play-but I’m checking my expectations at the door, and will just see what happens. Let’s hope for the best. If he does well, it makes getting a qb in the draft to compete less important-and thats all.
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…as most normal people would. Apparently some weirdos think if you haven’t been saying to start him from week 1 you don’t have the right to be a Raider fan anymore.
There is some serious mental instability going on in this blog.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Or just the “scrubs?”
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Why do you keep putting these words in quotes? Do you not understand the role of quotation marks?
I never said “Scrubs”. Backups. Fletcher is a backup LB, got a problem with it, take it up with New Englands depth chart.
“Scrubs” and “struggling” two words you put in quotes, like anyone else said it.
Okie dokey
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
I’m impressed. I guess you can learn something from Chico.
Chico!!
December 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
PS bring in Shanahan like you say and hire Norv to call plays just all by itself, and Palmer WILL GO OFF next year. guaranteed.
tough lesson for you to know for 2013
Palmer will be back. this organization wants to see this investment through. “different circumstance” as DA puts it for slolando mcjailbird. if you give Palmer what he actually needs instead of force feeding a bootsy system for him, he will succeed.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Mistic says he was “never sold” on Pryor, but now of course, he was “one of his favorites in college”.
Mistic = A habitual liar who hears voices in his head.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am
can any quarterback be a winner with crappy at aOC quarterback is only as good as a team behindh hem and Prior don’t have a lot behind him. I hope prior throws an 80 yard TD pass to D Moore ‘ Al Davis that one will be for you. first
December 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I understand though people don’t want to end up on the wrong side of this one like they did with jc, then jc went 12-7 & took us to first place.
Too late losers your takes are cemented in the archives.
If Pryor even shows a flash of ability there will be a major competition next year.
We know who the fake Pryor supporters are.
These are the guys that agreed with me on Pryor from the gate:
Priest, raiderdebo, marks hair, Kirk.
Others joined in later, but still before it was popular Jhill, jb, come to mind.
The rest are simply full of it
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I have allways supported TP… I have a black #6 jersey that I purchased this year in the hopes he would get some run.
No sense in arguing with most on this blog regarding him, as most have pre concieved notions however, the wayback machine tells the truth on who is real and who is not…
December 29th, 2012 at 11:19 am
People act like you make an assumption, and you have to keep that belief forever.
That’s how you become RaiderDebo about Jamarcus Russell.
People all loved Palmer after the Pitt game. So what, after the Browns game we still have to feel the same?
That’s just stupid. Adapt, change opinions moving forward.
Life in the fast lane.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Thec sorry I left you out, we know who the fakes are
December 29th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Didn’t Al once say he would rather be “right than consistant”?
You call something ahead of time, kudo’s, feel free to tout it.
But to think that changing a stance on AN OAKLAND RAIDER player is some type of “imposter move”…… Al Davis would slap you for being a stupid fan for that.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:23 am
we know who the fakes are
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Yup, the people who “were never sold on” Pryor, then a year later state that he was one of their “favorites in college” when it is convenient.
Why did you “change your tune”?
December 29th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Thec Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Kudo’s to all the Semi’s who saw this train wreck during preseason.
You guys know your football, unlike some of the wishers like myself. Wishing and hoping things get better.
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Good one Thec!!
I remember some saying after thrid pre-season game we were doomed and they were right on!!
Personally I was still drunk and drinking more kool-aid. Shame on me!!
December 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Jfb your ridiculous. I was super excited we picked up Pryor & wrote that he could be the steal of that draft. I said if he can mature as a man & improve his me binocs he could be one of the best qbs in his class behind only cam.
Jfb you have flip flopped twisted & wormed your way through your entire existence here. You have been exposed as a liar & a fake time & time again.
Newton Wilson jc RGIII all own you & I hope Pryor will too.
Shut the fugg up already
You know as much about football as you know about puzzy… Very verylittle
December 29th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I was super excited we picked up Pryor & wrote that he could be the steal of that draft. I said if he can mature as a man & improve his me binocs he could be one of the best qbs in his class behind only cam.
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Lies, I already posted YOUR WORDS, and a supporting link.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Thec sorry I left you out, we know who the fakes are
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No worries Bruh, I believe you and Preist keep the banner flying on TP. The org is stupid for not giving this Kid a shot.
I will be wearing my black TP 6 tommorrow, and will be happy the kid is finnaly gettin his chance.
DA and Knapp are both liars, if I could hate anyone they would be at te top of the list. I hate what this org has become under these liars.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Jfb kill your self or have the decency to cross post if you want to flip flop.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I didn’t make a list but mystic is right most of the posters predicted that tp would never be a qb in this league and that he’d probably never start a game for the Raiders.. he should have been starting weeks ago.. da is hardly a professional head coach.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:33 am
LOL…..exposing your lies really irked you didn’t it?
Getting personal, the first sign of losing the debate.
What’s your excuse for flip-flopping on Pryor (already proven with a link) and Hue Jackson ?
December 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Al Davis: “I would rather be right than consistant”
Mistic: “I will consistantly lie to pretend I was right”
December 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Lol jfb trying to change what I said to fit his agenda.
I was never sold was strictly in reference to his mechanics & maturity issues. Those have been corrected. His talent has never been in doubt.
You left out where I detailed this & said if he could improve those areas he could be the 2nd. Best qb in his class. I would wait & see before dismissing him.
Gtfoh
December 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am
how can anybody be sold on prior have you ever seen him play in the pros your answer is no nobody knows what he can do tomorrow. San Diego’s defensive backs better have their running shoes on if he gets loose he’s hard to catch. Dennis Alan did make the decision to start prior McKinsey made that. Probably only have two quarterbacks next year so we can have more depth. Hell I thought Kenny Stabler sucked until I seen them play and for two years I couldn’t see why we kept playing the mad bomber. When the immaculate reception happens Stabler had just went into the game and got that touchdown. The next thing I know the the Steelers had WON. Then there was a tuck rule game. The quarterback will take the Raiders to the Super Bowl isn’t on the team yet will probably draft one next year.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Marks hair Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I didn’t make a list but mystic is right most of the posters predicted that tp would never be a qb in this league and that he’d probably never start a game for the Raiders.. he should have been starting weeks ago.. da is hardly a professional head coach.
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As soon as we were “mathematically out” they should have started gearing up TP.
Mr. Davis II had alluded to this weeks ago.
DA lied and said that TP was not ready then makes an about face and starts him????
DA should be fired for cause, just like cable should have been fired for calling plays.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Does anyone thinks DA acts kinda like a DVCK towards Jano?
He did let him try the 64 yarder but I think he no likey Jano!
December 29th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Lol jfb trying to change what I said to fit his agenda.
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LOL
Only an idiot like you would claim that a quote of YOUR WORDS with the link, would say that it is being “changed”.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Hell I thought Kenny Stabler sucked
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That is open blasphemy…Wash your mouth out with Ivory soap.
Stabler = Best QB EVER
December 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
2013 = Open competition at ALL POSTIONS
December 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
1N
December 29th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Mistic and JFB,
You guys have been going back and forth all morning. Just agree on the facts that Pryor is starting and a good performance by him is good for the team.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
You guys have been going back and forth all morning.
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All morning??? It has been like 3 years!!!!
Agree with the 2nd statement, which while I disagree with the type of prospect TP is portrayed as by some in here, I have said from day one, that TP emerging as a legit #1 QB is the best thing that can happen to our Raiders.
Cheap contract due to his draft status, if he is better than Palmer, we can upgrade the QB position and save a zillion dollars.
I will be rooting my azz off for Pryor tomorrow.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Marks Hair Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I didn’t make a list but mystic is right most of the posters predicted that tp would never be a qb in this league and that he’d probably never start a game for the Raiders.. he should have been starting weeks ago.. da is hardly a professional head coach.
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Agreed,
After the last game I almost wanted to switch to the “FIRE DA” camp because it was obvious who they should have played. Unless your #1 QB is a probowl lock then your #2 QB slot should always be used on a prospect that can eventually step up.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Wrong I chose the wait & see approach on pryor. Watched lots of Pryor in college & was one of my favorites. I was concerned about his work ethic & mechanics & compared him to Vince young.
He has matured on & off the field & I am thrilled. His mechanics have cleaned up he will own you ( I hope)
>. wrong Al Sharpton. Pryor hasn’t played in an actual game so HOW can you KNOW his mechanics have been “cleaned” up and how the hell can YOU know about his work ethic? stop talking out of your ass dipsh*t. you have to be the dumbest poster on this site. your football knowledge is overstated and your biased.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Did you ever watch Stabler play in preseason his first year he did suck he was the only left-handed quarterback in the league at the time he came out of the pocket like a crab his arm strength wasn’t that good either not like the mad bomber but couple years later he was the best quarterback ever. the juicy John Elway start his first game he lined up behind the guard. Quarterbacks come out today are a hell lot better than the one that came out back then the.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
What an idiot. Missdick trying to pretend Pryor is a starting qb. Most of us doubters said we didn’t think he’d ever be a starter. He’s not. Palmers injured and Leinart sucked so pryor’s getting his chance. But u trying to claim victory cuz Pryor is now a “starter” is ludicrous.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Mistic and JFB,
You guys have been going back and forth all morning. Just agree on the facts that Pryor is starting and a good performance by him is good for the team.
>. a good performance is meaningless. 1 game shows us all nothing. this is for entertainment only at this point
December 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am
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December 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
The best thing Pryor can do is throw the ball away when the Wr isnt open. That would help his health and show he has good decision making skills.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
What an idiot. Missdick trying to pretend Pryor is a starting qb. Most of us doubters said we didn’t think he’d ever be a starter. He’s not. Palmers injured and Leinart sucked so pryor’s getting his chance. But u trying to claim victory cuz Pryor is now a “starter” is ludicrous.
>. missesdick is a black racist. we should just dissect his idiotic football arguments. the dudes football knowledge is laughable.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I remember distinctly looking at Pryor’s baby pics back in the day and thinking that in 2013………Silver&Black and Super Duper. Really! I’m almost as much a genius as the rest of you Einsteins. Anyway, we’ll know a lot more soon. Enough already.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Cross posters have at it I’ll be back
December 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
romania Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I remember distinctly looking at Pryor’s baby pics back in the day and thinking that in 2013………Silver&Black and Super Duper. Really! I’m almost as much a genius as the rest of you Einsteins. Anyway, we’ll know a lot more soon. Enough already.
>. you won’t know anything from 1 game man. DA doesn’t think much of pryor otherwise he would have put him in after the 8th loss. think about it.Raiders will need a franchise QB by 14. palmer costs a lot of $$$. we’ll be drafting a QB in the 1st round in 14. watch
December 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
>. a good performance is meaningless. 1 game shows us all nothing. this is for entertainment only at this point
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I think that is incorrect. A good performance shows his potential. Also, if he repeats on his good performance he will start to put together a resume of good performances.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I think it was a good idea,but who thinks allen really made the decision?
December 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:51 am
>. a good performance is meaningless. 1 game shows us all nothing. this is for entertainment only at this point
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I think that is incorrect. A good performance shows his potential. Also, if he repeats on his good performance he will start to put together a resume of good performances.
>> one game is false hope, nothing more. you need at least 3-4 games to look at a QB at a minimum. like that guy in Arizona KOLB. guy beasted in Philly for a couple of games and is a POS now. 1 game means nothing.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am
chuck Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I think it was a good idea,but who thinks allen really made the decision?
>. palmer is the best QB on the roster and its not even close man. problem is that palmers price tag is going to be too high. raiders will draft a QB in round 1 in 14.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Lol I don’t know football?
Let’s recap
Jc would beat it grads … Check
Jc would win and lead us to first place …. Check
Palmer would flop ….. Check
Palmer would never take us to the playoffs & not match jc win total… Check
Newton would be a star …. Check predicted before hiesman hype
Wilson would be a star…… Check
RGIII would be a starr ( predicted while he was a freshman at Baylor)… Check
Pryor would start before season ends…. Check
Pryor was being mishandled & Allen was playing games…. Check
Any questions?
December 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Sunday actually will tell us a lot. He will either look great (very unlikely), so-so (which at least will show he has some upside), or he will be horrendous, which would be enuff to dismiss him as a qb. If he goes 6-15 for 75 yards and 2 picks, there’s no point going forward, especially if he throws 5+ “what the fu€k was that” throws.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I’ll be back impostors better hope Pryor doesn’t make any plays or you knoW what’s coming.
MUHUHUHAHAHAHA
December 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Missdick likes to think we are all the same person so he feels better about himself. Poor guy.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Missdick–u predict EVERY black qb will be a star.
What happens if Pryor blows? Will u man up or make excuses? We all know the answer coward.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Missdick “announced” he is leaving. Ready for some Pryor supporters to magically show up?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Since running quarterbacks are the new hot ticket maybe Reggie wants to get some tape on prior and see what somebody will offer. Matt liner is passed off because he’s got look for a job in the tape on him is not too good.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Lol I don’t know football?
Let’s recap
Jc would beat it grads … Check
Jc would win and lead us to first place …. Check
Palmer would flop ….. Check
Palmer would never take us to the playoffs & not match jc win total… Check
Newton would be a star …. Check predicted before hiesman hype
Wilson would be a star…… Check
RGIII would be a starr ( predicted while he was a freshman at Baylor)… Check
Pryor would start before season ends…. Check
Pryor was being mishandled & Allen was playing games…. Check
Any questions?
>> none of your “predictions” require more than a 40 IQ. you have limtied football knowledge. and cam newton is a loser 11-20 record as a starter. and if Pryor had palmer stats you would be master baiting on his poster in your basement RIGHT NOW racist. JC beats gradkowski? WOW what a prediction!! pryor staring a game before season ended? you’re not a physic!! RGIII was hyped and NOT a secret talent. Russel Wilson? all you do is pick black QBs and predict they’ll play well. you have ZERO football knowledge. you ever notice pryors stats against top teams in college compared to crappy teams? look that up genuis and educate your self. you’re a disgrace to all raider fans Sharpton
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Miss sick is a sad little cowardly man.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
willy91137 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Since running quarterbacks are the new hot ticket maybe Reggie wants to get some tape on prior and see what somebody will offer. Matt liner is passed off because he’s got look for a job in the tape on him is not too good.
>> starting Pryor in week 17 is pointless. if thet thought he was an nfl caliber QB they would have started him 4 games ago. this is pointless. but its really because DA is racist and us white people don’t want a black guy to throw an inflated rubber ball around a field, according to missesdick
December 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Miss sick is a sad little cowardly man.
>> yeah i think he’s a fat 40 year old virgin living in his mommas basement.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Miss sick is a sad little cowardly man.
>> yeah i think he’s a fat 40 year old virgin living in his mommas basement.
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And you two morons are strictly in a plutonic relationship?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Miss sick is a sad little cowardly man.
>> yeah i think he’s a fat 40 year old virgin living in his mommas basement.
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And you two morons are strictly in a plutonic relationship?
>> and tweetledum shows up
December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Raiders should bring JC back next year to compete for a staring job. He’s cheaper than Palmer and hue jackass is gone so he can have a clean slate.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I’m here for ya Massa.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Running Qbs are the new clown show . Fun show! Who was the last one to win a Super Bowl ? Steve young?
They take some serious hits nowadays… Ask mike Vick.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Running Qbs are the new clown show . Fun show! Who was the last one to win a Super Bowl ? Steve young?
They take some serious hits nowadays… Ask mike Vick.
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>. steve young won because he was the most accurate passer of all time. running had nothing to do with it.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
TP, cam , rg3a haven’t won chit yet . You guys act like they win superbowls…. Clown show
December 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
TP, cam , rg3a haven’t won chit yet . You guys act like they win superbowls…. Clown show
>. people on Newtons nuts on the craziest. dude is douchebag is a loser by definition
December 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I agree. No class
December 29th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
who in the hell cares what color the quarterback is as long as these where in the raider colors as the only color I worry about you must be a Republican the party of Lincoln that freed the slaves now they can get one to vote forTHEM but nobody here knows how good prior is will no little more tomorrow but they don’t think he’s good enough . You don’t jerk your number one quarterback three or four games before the end.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Jason Tarver is def a sharp guy, i see him becoming a fine head coach 4-5 years down the road, kudos to DA, he def knows what he’s doing when it comes to hiring D coaches, just need someone else when it comes to hiring OC and Special teams coach
December 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I agree. No class
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Lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Has the whole blog ever tried to ignore M1st1c for full day? like he keeps on posting the same message like Kell when nobody responds, that would be funny as hell
December 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
So….is everyone ready for the magic show by HOUDINI?
December 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
missesdick and KK are the same person
December 29th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
DA and tarver will stay for a while. once they draft and fix the DLINE this defense will beast. IF they ignore the DLINE with their 1st round pick they’ll be gone. Raiders have a lot of options at QB next year. jason campbell, alex smith are 2 cheap options and both can manage a game and not throw it away. Jason Campbell could come back now that the jackass is gone. Knapp is gone though or SHOULD be
December 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Look for Knapp to ruin TP with his crappy play calling.
He won’t call plays that utilize TP’s strengths.
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You have been posting over and over that TP should get a shot.
And now that he has it, you are already making excuses?
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Making excuses for what? He hasn’t played yet numbnut.
I’m projecting that Knapp won’t utilize TP’s strengths and just call the same predictable drop back passes and keep him in the pocket when he should be rolling him out, move the pocket protection and running zone read option plays.
Yes, I have been saying TP should start, because he needs to be evaluated.
It won’t really matter with crappy Knappy calling plays though. Let’s see is TP can overcome Knapp being his OC.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
missesdick and KK are the same person
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Yeah we’re all the same, Massa.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
We don’t have uniforms but enough for Russell
December 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
McK will end up drafting Moore, Te’o or Star.
Maybe Werner, but I think Werner is on the outside looking in right now at least. Clowney possibly as well but I think he is staying in school one more year.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
TP will backup next year and see more action. This is how they brought Aaron Rodgers on.. Slowly
December 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:03 am
there are 3 things that pryor can show sunday:
1) he’s an amazing out-of-the-box superstar from the another planet, as missdick and priest have claimed.
2) he’s a raw, flawed qb that nevertheless does have qb skills to work on.
3) he’s not a nfl qb and never will be.
i think #1 is ridiculous. that’s one of the reasons missdick and priest have proven they are indeed insane.
i’m hoping for #2, which would be nice.
i’m fearing #3.
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Good breakdown, I agree. My biggest fear is not #3 but #2.5. In that case, he’ll look real raw, lost most of the time and appear lacking in the raw tools. And then he’ll bust off one long run or make one decent throw to a wide open receiver deeep and show a glimmer of promise. That glimmer will completely will make all of his mistakes and horrible reads invisible to those with woodies for his potential and he will be proclaimed the next great thing. And then he’ll be hanging around on the roster, soaking up coaching resources for another season chasing consistency that he’s not capable of delivering. Just like JaFatass showed, Vince Young and Tebow on other teams have done.
The problem with that type of player is that, in hindsight, they set the team back chasing a what if dream with a very low liklihood of success. Meanwhile, other teams are doing it right, like Seattle with Wilson. Flynn was the automatic starter based on his FA signing (which is similar to how Pryor is viewed with his 3rd round pick) but they let the guy that EARNED IT in camp and preseason get the reps. Now they’re investing in the right choice for the long haul.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Al Davis love defensive backs he thought that was a way to build a team John Madden thanks OF line as a way to build a team I think they’re both right. Defenses one Super Bowl number the ravens offense can win Super Bowl
December 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fire Dennis Allen.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
McK is not taking an OLinemen with that top 4 pick.
Guarantee it!
December 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fire Dennis Allen.
^^^^^^^^^
I wish….he should have never been hired in the first place. Then to cap it off…he hires Greg Knapp to tear the offense down when it didn’t need to be?
Doesn’t say much for his evaluation skills or his judgement.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Morning fellas, long time since I last posted, truth is this year’s team is so uninspiring that I couldn’t bring myself to keep up with you guys.
Now the 1st year of the Reggie-DA era was an unmitigated disaster, DA was clearly not ready for the job but he did not hire himself, that was Reggie’s decision.
Look around the league, most rookie Head Coaches have made their teams much better, there’s Philbin in Miami, Schiano in Tampa, Fisher in St. Louis and Pagano-Arians in Indy, those were among 2011’s worst teams in football, yes they got an infusion of talent but the Coaching has also been remarkable.
The guys who have failed are retreat Mike Mularkey who took a 5-11 and made it worst, without an NFL caliber QB and his best player in MJD, and our own Dennis Allen who plain and simple looked way over his head.
But who’s to blame here? the inexperienced Coach who jumped at his chance or the rookie GM who hired him?.
It’s almost a year since I brought up David Shaw as a candidate, I think we could have hired him at the time, now his stock is much higher and his hiring looks like a pipe dream.
But there were also solid, veteran Coordinators available, I think Reggie said he went with a “defensive minded” Coach because that’s where we needed more work, well people have mentioned Mike Zimmer, a great candidate with a track record, Jack del Rio, a guy with a couple of playoff appearances was available, Arizona’s Ray Horton was probably a better candidate than DA, Mike Nolan should get a 2nd chance somewhere soon…then there’s Joe Philbin himself who worked with Reggie in GB, why not him? there was also Rick Dennison, Houston’s OC and a former NFL LB, if Reggie wanted the ZBS as the base of the offense, and I’m not sure about that, then Dennison was a great candidate.
Look, hindsight is 20-20 I know, but truth is at the time we all accepted DA because we wanted to trust Reggie, everyone loved Reggie coming here so we didn’t question DA’s hiring much, he knows what he’s doing we figured, but now that the season is over, we are allowed to look back and wonder if it was the right decision and more importantly, if DA is the right guy for the job.
Now as far as personnel, Reggie went and spend good money on Bartell, Spencer, Joselio, Curry, Tollefson, Andre Carter, Brisiel, Carslile and Barnes, those guys costed us around 10 million dollars and we have gotten nothing out of them, it was a collective waste of money, when you don’t have much coin you need to spend it wisely or not spend it at all and use it to shed bad contracts, we did neither.
As far as DA, I don’t like how he handles himself, he’s been full of crap since week 1 when the long-snapper disaster happened, DA tried to save face by saying Goethel had gotten practice reps as the emergency LS only to have Lechler come out and say no he didn’t while praising Goethel for getting out there.
Then there was the weeks-long “we didn’t execute” excuse, as if we had some brilliant game-plans go to waste because of the players, it is the Coaches job to get players ready to play and to execute, that’s what training camp and practice are for, if it’s not working out there, it won’t suddenly happen on gameday, players share the blame of course, but DA and staff wanted no part when it came to accountablity for some of the worst football we’ve seen in 10 years, and that’s saying something.
Watch most pro coaches after a loss, they will usually say something like “it’s our job to get this guys ready to play and put them in position to make plays, we didn’t do that, we have to coach better and we have to play better”, that’s what you say, not just “we didn’t execute”.
And I make that point not to cover for the players, but because in order to have a team come together you need to lead by example, you need to rally the troops around you and set the tone, you must have your players back, team chemistry is huge in today’s game and having players on the same page as the staff is key, we didn’t have that this season and that is on DA and staff.
I have no comments on Knapp, results speak for themselves, but just as with DA, he did not hire himself, I’m sure Greg did the best he could do, you get what you pay for.
Well, it feels good to vent a little.
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Bob Marley is probably my favorite poster in here. Very clear and concise and certainly always worth the read.
My feeling is yes, this first year was a disaster no doubt about it. But so were the last 10 years. It’s not like McKenzie and Allen took over a perennial playoff team and went 4-12 with it. They took over a steaming pile of sh** and started to change it. To me, that is refreshing.
Philbin took over a top defense in Miami. Indianapolis was a perennial playoff team that had one bad season and got an absolute gem of a Q because of that. Shiano has dropped five games in a row, so he might not be all that. One poster here compares us to Fisher and the Rams. But you look at them and you see lst rounders like Chris Long and Robert Quinn who have played well for them. We don’t have first rounders that perform well for us. Is that an excuse? Or is that a fact? And it is not like McKenzie and Allen came in and ruined all the lst rounders. Shoot, The Rams feel so good about Sam Bradford that they gave up the rights to RGIII. What does that tell you? Who on our team would any of us keep instead of RGIII?
As far as personnel decisions no one bats a thousand. Bartell was a bust, Spencer is on IR, but Joselio has played well. Curry was a hold over from the prior year and worth a look. Tollefson was a bust, but Andre Carter has been playing better and better. Briesel was a bust. Barnes and Carlisle have been servicable. What fans do not realize is it took about ten weeks for the Oline to jell. That’s about right. They have played much better recently. Guys like Phil Adams and particularly Brandian Ross have played very well for us.
Bottom line is I see a team that in the last month held the 12-3 Denver Broncos to 13-7 at the half, won the next game handily, and was in the last game playing with a Q that looked absolutely awful out there. What that tells me is the staff has this team playing competitively. That’s what I see out there. That’s not excuses, that’s the fact.
December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Black Monday should be coming real quick for DA and especially Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman.
If DA is staying and if Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman are not fired by Wednesday or Thursday of next week.
Than something is seriously wrong with Davis, McK and DA.
Ugh
December 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fire Dennis Allen.
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And replace him with who???
December 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Morning fellas, long time since I last posted, truth is this year’s team is so uninspiring that I couldn’t bring myself to keep up with you guys.
Now the 1st year of the Reggie-DA era was an unmitigated disaster, DA was clearly not ready for the job but he did not hire himself, that was Reggie’s decision.
Look around the league, most rookie Head Coaches have made their teams much better, there’s Philbin in Miami, Schiano in Tampa, Fisher in St. Louis and Pagano-Arians in Indy, those were among 2011’s worst teams in football, yes they got an infusion of talent but the Coaching has also been remarkable.
The guys who have failed are retreat Mike Mularkey who took a 5-11 and made it worst, without an NFL caliber QB and his best player in MJD, and our own Dennis Allen who plain and simple looked way over his head.
But who’s to blame here? the inexperienced Coach who jumped at his chance or the rookie GM who hired him?.
It’s almost a year since I brought up David Shaw as a candidate, I think we could have hired him at the time, now his stock is much higher and his hiring looks like a pipe dream.
But there were also solid, veteran Coordinators available, I think Reggie said he went with a “defensive minded” Coach because that’s where we needed more work, well people have mentioned Mike Zimmer, a great candidate with a track record, Jack del Rio, a guy with a couple of playoff appearances was available, Arizona’s Ray Horton was probably a better candidate than DA, Mike Nolan should get a 2nd chance somewhere soon…then there’s Joe Philbin himself who worked with Reggie in GB, why not him? there was also Rick Dennison, Houston’s OC and a former NFL LB, if Reggie wanted the ZBS as the base of the offense, and I’m not sure about that, then Dennison was a great candidate.
Look, hindsight is 20-20 I know, but truth is at the time we all accepted DA because we wanted to trust Reggie, everyone loved Reggie coming here so we didn’t question DA’s hiring much, he knows what he’s doing we figured, but now that the season is over, we are allowed to look back and wonder if it was the right decision and more importantly, if DA is the right guy for the job.
Now as far as personnel, Reggie went and spend good money on Bartell, Spencer, Joselio, Curry, Tollefson, Andre Carter, Brisiel, Carslile and Barnes, those guys costed us around 10 million dollars and we have gotten nothing out of them, it was a collective waste of money, when you don’t have much coin you need to spend it wisely or not spend it at all and use it to shed bad contracts, we did neither.
As far as DA, I don’t like how he handles himself, he’s been full of crap since week 1 when the long-snapper disaster happened, DA tried to save face by saying Goethel had gotten practice reps as the emergency LS only to have Lechler come out and say no he didn’t while praising Goethel for getting out there.
Then there was the weeks-long “we didn’t execute” excuse, as if we had some brilliant game-plans go to waste because of the players, it is the Coaches job to get players ready to play and to execute, that’s what training camp and practice are for, if it’s not working out there, it won’t suddenly happen on gameday, players share the blame of course, but DA and staff wanted no part when it came to accountablity for some of the worst football we’ve seen in 10 years, and that’s saying something.
Watch most pro coaches after a loss, they will usually say something like “it’s our job to get this guys ready to play and put them in position to make plays, we didn’t do that, we have to coach better and we have to play better”, that’s what you say, not just “we didn’t execute”.
And I make that point not to cover for the players, but because in order to have a team come together you need to lead by example, you need to rally the troops around you and set the tone, you must have your players back, team chemistry is huge in today’s game and having players on the same page as the staff is key, we didn’t have that this season and that is on DA and staff.
I have no comments on Knapp, results speak for themselves, but just as with DA, he did not hire himself, I’m sure Greg did the best he could do, you get what you pay for.
Well, it feels good to vent a little.
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Bob Marley is probably my favorite poster in here. Very clear and concise and certainly always worth the read.
My feeling is yes, this first year was a disaster no doubt about it. But so were the last 10 years. It’s not like McKenzie and Allen took over a perennial playoff team and went 4-12 with it. They took over a steaming pile of sh** and started to change it. To me, that is refreshing.
Philbin took over a top defense in Miami. Indianapolis was a perennial playoff team that had one bad season and got an absolute gem of a Q because of that. Shiano has dropped five games in a row, so he might not be all that. One poster here compares us to Fisher and the Rams. But you look at them and you see lst rounders like Chris Long and Robert Quinn who have played well for them. We don’t have first rounders that perform well for us. Is that an excuse? Or is that a fact? And it is not like McKenzie and Allen came in and ruined all the lst rounders. Shoot, The Rams feel so good about Sam Bradford that they gave up the rights to RGIII. What does that tell you? Who on our team would any of us keep instead of RGIII?
As far as personnel decisions no one bats a thousand. Bartell was a bust, Spencer is on IR, but Joselio has played well. Curry was a hold over from the prior year and worth a look. Tollefson was a bust, but Andre Carter has been playing better and better. Briesel was a bust. Barnes and Carlisle have been servicable. What fans do not realize is it took about ten weeks for the Oline to jell. That’s about right. They have played much better recently. Guys like Phil Adams and particularly Brandian Ross have played very well for us.
Bottom line is I see a team that in the last month held the 12-3 Denver Broncos to 13-7 at the half, won the next game handily, and was in the last game playing with a Q that looked absolutely awful out there. What that tells me is the staff has this team playing competitively. That’s what I see out there. That’s not excuses, that’s the fact.
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DA and this staff had this team playing competitively?
Only two games….Pitt and Atlanta. The wins versus the team that is slightly worse than us against the Chiefs don’t count.
The loss to the Browns is really inexcusable.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Black Monday should be coming real quick for DA and especially Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman.
If DA is staying and if Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman are not fired by Wednesday or Thursday of next week.
Than something is seriously wrong with Davis, McK and DA.
Ugh
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DA’s going nowhere.
Pollack, Knapp and Hoffman, on the other hand…let’s just wish them best in their future endeavors…
December 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Fire Dennis Allen.
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And replace him with who???
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Replace him with Greg Knapp of course! LOL
Seriously, Gruden, Del Rio, Mike Zimmer, or even Hue Jackson would be great replacements….Oh wait…Hue was already here for two years and did wonders for the offense and they let him go because of his mouth, not because it was a football decision and Davis and McK were intimidated by big bad Hue.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Black Monday should be coming real quick for DA and especially Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman.
If DA is staying and if Knapp, Pollack and Hoffman are not fired by Wednesday or Thursday of next week.
Than something is seriously wrong with Davis, McK and DA.
Ugh
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DA’s going nowhere.
^^^^^^^^
Unfortunately….
December 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
That Jerome Smith RB for ‘Cuse looks like a Sunday player.
Coaches up by Ty Wheatley as well, his RB coach.
Hmmmmmm………..
December 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I threw out a challenge in #457 that not a single Pryor fan took up. I’ve already seen all of the poactive excuses about how Pryor’s development has been stunted, the Knapp offense will hold him back, the OL sucks.
Meanwhile, there’s pretty much unanimous agreement that Leinhart sucks individually so cannot be successful no matter what he’s faced with.
So I put those two together and said the best way to measure Pryor’s starting debut is to see how he performs relative to Leinhart. By all of your interpretations, that’s a REAL low bar.
I say that Leinhart, if they get roughly equal numbers of snaps, will outperform Pryor. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to come out and say I was wrong about Pryor and that he has more potential than I think.
But if he doesn’t meet that exceedingly low bar, then who of the supporters here is man enough to say now that they will come out and say that maybe he’s not all that?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Bottom line is I see a team that in the last month held the 12-3 Denver Broncos to 13-7 at the half, won the next game handily, and was in the last game playing with a Q that looked absolutely awful out there. What that tells me is the staff has this team playing competitively. That’s what I see out there. That’s not excuses, that’s the fact.
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What fact?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Wait till u see how many Sunday players or on notre dames team.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
DA and this staff had this team playing competitively?
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I said in the last month. The team HAS played competitively. As far as the “Chiefs don’t count” statement, tell that to the 10-5 Indy Colts who needed 57 minutes to beat them. Barely.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Who are our best players?
I would vote Desmond Bryant, Veldheer, Myers, Wheeler Streater and Reece.
All having career years.
It’s the stiffs like McFadden, TK, Seymour, McClain, and even Branch that flubbed this season.
All will probably be gone next year except for maybe Branch.
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JFB = blog GM
RRS co-signs everything!
December 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Anybody is better than Dennis Allen. He is the weakest head coach in the league. He has proven it over and over and continues to.
Reggie got scammed. The Broncos are laughing at us. Loudly. The rest of the league is laughing too.
Watch the presser yesterday he’s asked about evaluating himself this season, he made excuses. Blames the difficult ‘personal’ and ‘on the field’ problems he’s had to face. Wow.
*Any* of the coaches who are getting fired this year are more qualified than Capt Sharpie.
We cannot rebuild without getting rid of this stain first.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I threw out a challenge in #457 that not a single Pryor fan took up. I’ve already seen all of the poactive excuses about how Pryor’s development has been stunted, the Knapp offense will hold him back, the OL sucks.
Meanwhile, there’s pretty much unanimous agreement that Leinhart sucks individually so cannot be successful no matter what he’s faced with.
So I put those two together and said the best way to measure Pryor’s starting debut is to see how he performs relative to Leinhart. By all of your interpretations, that’s a REAL low bar.
I say that Leinhart, if they get roughly equal numbers of snaps, will outperform Pryor. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to come out and say I was wrong about Pryor and that he has more potential than I think.
But if he doesn’t meet that exceedingly low bar, then who of the supporters here is man enough to say now that they will come out and say that maybe he’s not all that?
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Interesting take. Someone was saying that Pryor has not played in over a year. I think Pryor has a lot more playing time over the last three years than Leinert does.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
If Dennis Allen isn’t fired this year he will be fired after next season and we’ll have wasted another year. He simply doesn’t have it. Either you can or you can’t. And he can’t.
Reggie got sold a stale bag of M&M’s.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
does Al Saunders know enough about the wco / zbs to take over for Knapp next season??
if not, quit mentioning his name please.
I can promise you we’re not going back to Hueball or Air Coryell in 2013
Reggie & Dennis already know what type of offense they prefer. it’s here to stay. the question is, do we have the right players & coaches for it?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
CDE,
if you want a fantasy football coaching staff, what are your thoughts on this?
HC – Andy Reid
OC – Norv Turner
DC – Romeo Crennel
Jon Gruden will stay in the booth. guaranteed
December 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Anybody is better than Dennis Allen. He is the weakest head coach in the league. He has proven it over and over and continues to.
Reggie got scammed. The Broncos are laughing at us. Loudly. The rest of the league is laughing too.
Watch the presser yesterday he’s asked about evaluating himself this season, he made excuses. Blames the difficult ‘personal’ and ‘on the field’ problems he’s had to face. Wow.
*Any* of the coaches who are getting fired this year are more qualified than Capt Sharpie.
We cannot rebuild without getting rid of this stain first.
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You’re not going to start in on the whole “The entire league has been deliberately and falsely building up DA as a credible candidate for years because they knew Al would die and we’d hire Dennis to replace him and this is their way of sticking it to us” canard, are you?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
And replace him with who???
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David Shaw, Jim Harbaugh, Bill belichik, John Harbaugh, Bill Cowher you know, all the guys that are not going to come here is who they think are going to come here.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
don’t need any more change that’s been the trouble with this team change the coaches change the quarterback trader draft picks up and gone on for five years now the offensive coordinator has to go special teams coach gone if we can find an edge rusher in the draft and a couple good defensive backs oh yes on all offensive line coach would be nice if DMC sticks around than will need to run power blocking but if we can trade him; we can’t have enough draft pick this year. our goal is to beat Denver really need a stout defense. San Diego’s is going to go through a big change and Kansas City. I like DA style of defense once he gets the players that he wants you’ll see the same takeoff. I don’t think Jon Gruden’s answer remember John Gruden and Tampa Bay inherited the best defense in the league he won the Super Bowl and after that he couldn’t hit is ASS with both hands
December 29th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Rockstar
That would be a *huge* upgrade and actually very doable. Andy Reid is pretty expensive and probably wouldn’t take the job. How about..
HC – Jack Del Rio
OC – Norv Turner
DC – Romeo Crennel
December 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Knapp needs to study Carolina vs sd. Newton ran the zone read and attt ked the seams in the passing game exploiting the sd line backers
Oaklnd has more speed and weapons on offense then the panthers and Pryor can hit the deep pass.
If knapp & Allen have Pryor playing a Palmer stunt double fire them both at hLftime
December 29th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I agree with those who can see that the team has been playing with fire in last 3 games and D has improved with no pass rusher, MLB picked off street just a month ago, Gio who doesn’t even belong in CFL starting as FS and noboby behind him, TB laying an egg and also hurting every other day, along with Mitchel, Spencer and Bartel hurt and never really got chance to show what they got, Huff converting from FS to CB, Adams and ROSS who were on some teams practice squad have been quite a surprise, so for that alone DA/Tarver deserves a chance to come back, our O has moved the ball at certain times, it’s the red zone that is probably, we need to bring in a real OC and #1 WR, just imagine how good Palmer’s #s would have looked like with a# 1 receiver and real offensive coach and running game
December 29th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Norvell Turner for offense of coordinator.
RomeoCrennel Kansas City look good this year that’s who we want why didn’t I think of that oh I guess I haven’t got senile yet let’s try having the same coach for two years in a row
December 29th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I threw out a challenge in #457 that not a single Pryor fan took up. I’ve already seen all of the poactive excuses about how Pryor’s development has been stunted, the Knapp offense will hold him back, the OL sucks.
Meanwhile, there’s pretty much unanimous agreement that Leinhart sucks individually so cannot be successful no matter what he’s faced with.
So I put those two together and said the best way to measure Pryor’s starting debut is to see how he performs relative to Leinhart. By all of your interpretations, that’s a REAL low bar.
I say that Leinhart, if they get roughly equal numbers of snaps, will outperform Pryor. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to come out and say I was wrong about Pryor and that he has more potential than I think.
But if he doesn’t meet that exceedingly low bar, then who of the supporters here is man enough to say now that they will come out and say that maybe he’s not all that?
>>>>
I’m guessing if he has even ONE play where he looks spectacular, it will be enough to continue the Pryor = Savior chat for the entire off-season.
They won’t admit it (or even admit they consider him the savior) but its true.
I think he will be fun to watch. Thats all I am expecting.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I haven’t got senile yet let’s try having the same coach for two years in a row
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agreed
December 29th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
It’s funny some stupid hater in here want to divide the Raider Nation into race and telling people what to do, he’s telling us we can’t root for certain player because he liked him first, or he’s also of certain color he is , LMAO
December 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
The league is laughing because the Raiders are back to terrible and its obvious Dennis Allen is in way over his head and had no business getting a head coaching job with his wafer thin resume. The Broncos had no problem letting this guy go knowing that he was not HC material. They were positively giddy about him getting hired in Oakland and they calmly replaced him with Jack Del Rio.
Does anybody think that Dennis Allen is going to be magically better next year? Seriously? Next year will be the same garbage. More of the same drone coach speak, unprepared teams, flaky game plans, lack of leadership, lack of creativity, lack of inspiration, excuse making, and wait for it….
Losing.
Fire Dennis Allen.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
CDE,
HC – Jack Del Rio ??
that was quick. we know he’s tough and we know he loves the Raiders. is he a good coach though?
I’m not sure. If Allen isn’t retained (which would surprise me!) I think we can all agree that a VETERAN coach should get the job. no more on-the-job training.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
DA and this staff had this team playing competitively?
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I said in the last month. The team HAS played competitively. As far as the “Chiefs don’t count” statement, tell that to the 10-5 Indy Colts who needed 57 minutes to beat them. Barely.
^^^^^^^^
This is the NFL….sometimes even the crappiest teams play competitively…..remember…SOMETIMES.
It doesn’t happen very often.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
I say that Leinhart, if they get roughly equal numbers of snaps, will outperform Pryor. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to come out and say I was wrong about Pryor and that he has more potential than I think.
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Ok, I’m listening.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I threw out a challenge in #457 that not a single Pryor fan took up. I’ve already seen all of the poactive excuses about how Pryor’s development has been stunted, the Knapp offense will hold him back, the OL sucks.
Meanwhile, there’s pretty much unanimous agreement that Leinhart sucks individually so cannot be successful no matter what he’s faced with.
So I put those two together and said the best way to measure Pryor’s starting debut is to see how he performs relative to Leinhart. By all of your interpretations, that’s a REAL low bar.
I say that Leinhart, if they get roughly equal numbers of snaps, will outperform Pryor. If I’m wrong, I’ll be the first to come out and say I was wrong about Pryor and that he has more potential than I think.
But if he doesn’t meet that exceedingly low bar, then who of the supporters here is man enough to say now that they will come out and say that maybe he’s not all that?
^^^^^^^^^
Just like the Hue haters will be man enough to admit they were wrong about wanting him fired??
December 29th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Heck I think Whisenhunt would be 10x better than what we have now
December 29th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
He can bring Fitz with him
December 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Hue Haters/ DA lovers? wtf lmao
December 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
It’s all about race on this blog. But fortunately, the majority of Americans have moved on.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Geno Smith = “OVERATED”!!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Ken Whiz for OC?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
He can also get Haley…….well maybe not
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
there are too many race baiters in here
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Fk it for HC
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Why should a qb seeing the field in his first start be held to the same standard as a 6 year pro?
Why did 99% of this board excuse palmer and his 37 turnovers in 25 games yet the qb making his debut only gets one game ‘ must play mistake free?!??
You cats are ridiculous
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Geno smith not looking great today. I was hoping KC or jax woul fall in love with him.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mac biggot talking about himself
” black qbs suck”
Your words
December 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Al Davis, who never saw race. Now look.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Geno Smith might still be better than Henne, Gabbert, Quinn & Cassel …
December 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The guy gets exposed everyday, still comes back for more embarrassment
December 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Please give us a. Coach that can utilize speed & Pryor!!!
Kyle shanha. Chip Kelly
December 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The guy gets exposed everyday, still comes back for more embarrassment
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M20,
who? Dr Bob?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
That Jerome Smith RB for ‘Cuse looks like a Sunday player.
Coaches up by Ty Wheatley as well, his RB coach.
Hmmmmmm………..
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True That!!
December 29th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Yeah I’m a big racist cuz i said black qbs suck because of certain annoying poster once, while im here rooting for Pryor even though he’s black LMAO , hilarious, you can’t make this up
December 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your chin
December 29th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The guy gets exposed everyday, still comes back for more embarrassment
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M20,
who? Dr Bob?
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The race baiter, you know who he is , he’s actually commenting here right now as we speak
December 29th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your chin
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really lol, what is Lienart?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your chin
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Kell,
are all employees @ Kane & Asso this classy and professional?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Geno Smith might still be better than Henne, Gabbert, Quinn & Cassel
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So above mediocre????…..I’ll buy that….I actually think Nassib might be the better eventual pro
December 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Why should a qb seeing the field in his first start be held to the same standard as a 6 year pro?
>>>>
Isn’t that the guy he beat out for the job?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I’m such a racist that the only jersey i own is of Mcfadden and my screen name is Mcfadden20. LMFAO hahaha
December 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
realtruraider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Heck I think Whisenhunt would be 10x better than what we have now
^^^^^^^^^^
Fire DA and hire Whisenhunt….I will take that!
At least Whiz will have a decent QB to work with in CP here. Whiz can bring his DC Ray Horton also.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
If DA was black, you people would be looking for a rope.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
If DA was black, you people would be looking for a rope.
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OMG!!
did somebody jack Kell’s handle again?
if not, who let this gorilla out of the zoo?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
IF,IF , IF, IF, IF ,IF ,IF,IF there’s that word IF IF IF
December 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always had to be twice as good as you people.
December 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I think they should play all the PS players too this sunday…..screw it!
December 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Mac biggot
There is no valid excuse for ” black qbs suck”
Pure racist trash
Rooting for black athletes or entertainers doesn’t make you less racist.
Mac turd burglar 20…… EXPOSED!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
HAHAHA Kell is reaching , and breaking down, maybe he ran out of his meds, you people ??? LOL everybody on this blog wants DA gone with exception of only a few guys, people are still talking about HUE in here like he was HAll of Fame guy or something lol, they talking about him like he he hed top 10 O, when he only averaged 22 PPG
December 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Can we bring in Kevin sumlin or holgerson to run our offense?
December 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Mac biggot
There is no valid excuse for ” black qbs suck”
Pure racist trash
Rooting for black athletes or entertainers doesn’t make you less racist.
Mac turd burglar 20…… EXPOSED!!!!
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Well obviously thats what you like to think so that your hate for Palmer can be justified, uh try harder
December 29th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
you hating on Palmer every single day, and pouncing on his every mistake and magnifying everything has nothing to do with the color of his skin? LMAO while at the same time making excuses for every black QB, bad OLINE, Coaches, weather, city, fans, bad gatorade etc, lol hahaha, you trully is losing your mind M1st1c, get well soon
December 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Pryor in the pistol & shotgun spread is where this team needs to go next year.
Allen and knapp need to go for the way they badly botched the Pryor situation. Pryor should have been number two based on the way he outplayed all of our qbs in the preseason.
Allen was late to the dance on Pryor and only made a move becuase he was forced.
He lied on goethel lied on Pryor, romac was an empty gesture that garnered a collective bly laugh in theocker room.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
anybody care to guess the score tomorrow SD 24 OAK10
December 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
yeah whatever you like to believe, racist, lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Lol 8-17 37 turn overs doesn’t need any magnification loser. It need to be hidden it’s an absolute eye sore.
Palmer did that on his own moron, my post have no influence on his lousy pathetic. Performance 4 wins 22 td 19 turn overs
December 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I want Pryor to play good and show good potential , he would be take this league by force as our friend at IBabuzz Mist1c like to point out, you can’t coach athleticism and speed and instincts , lets hope he take every second in offseason seriously and become the guy M1st1c wants him to see, that would be good for the Raiders and obviously good for the fans, but i want them to lose a close one so we can secure #3 pick, and draft Damontre Moore to help our pass rush
December 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
ProfootballTalk is reporting Andy Reid wants to coach the Chargers next year.
Grrrrrreaaaaat…….
And we’re stuck with Cpt. Sharpie….
December 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Lol 8-17 37 turn overs doesn’t need any magnification loser. It need to be hidden it’s an absolute eye sore.
Palmer did that on his own moron, my post have no influence on his lousy pathetic. Performance 4 wins 22 td 19 turn overs
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It must hurt you to know that his touchdown total is still more than your combined total turnover bs, you really wished he had fumbled like 15 times on blind side hits so the total turnover bs is more than his touchdowns lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
M1st1c has made excuses for every black QB, true or not?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
what is this racist thing guess the score of the game and you get a white limo driver
December 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Why should a qb seeing the field in his first start be held to the same standard as a 6 year pro?
Why did 99% of this board excuse palmer and his 37 turnovers in 25 games yet the qb making his debut only gets one game ‘ must play mistake free?!??
You cats are ridiculous
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Let the preemptive excuses begin. That’s a great way to avoid putting your clout where your mouth is.
You’ve been saying for months how Pryor is the answer, should be starting over Palmer, should have easily beat out Leinhart for the backup role, is the wave of the future at QB. His peers in the name of Newton, RGIII and Wilson all had very good first starts, even though they didn’t have his benefit of two seasons (minus 4 games of practicing) and two veteran QBs helping him along.
Yet he can’t even outperform who used to be garbage that should be ejected from the roster immediately to a 6 year professional that holds a high standard?
I’ll take this absolute lack of confidence as a blatant ducking of that actual challenge. By not saying Pryor will outperform Leinhart you are saying that Leinhart will play as well as or better. That’s the same as saying that you were wrong about Pryor.
Case closed.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Whisenhunt just seems like he would make a good Raider HC, he has already went through alot in Arizona with there QB situation and all (yes he has to take some of the blame for bringin in those QBs) he took them and almost won a SB with an older but good QB in Warner, I think he would love to have a QB like Palmer also, after what he has had to work with
December 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
how it this racist even still on this blog, Cork needs to tighten up and get rid of losers like KK and M1st1c
December 29th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Instead of Kevin Sumlin, why don’t we bring in the ghost of HUBERT Sumlin? Maybe get Howlin’ Wolf himself to play defensive end. He was a big man, you know.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Mac idiot 20
” i want Pryor to play well”
LIAR!!!
“black qbs suck”
Remember that you were furious when I suggested that Pryor play?
You said ” back ups don’t play and Palmer should not be replaced at the end of he season”
You challenged me to provide proof of old losing vet qbs being sat down for youngsters and I provided about 20 spanning decades!!
STOP LYING!!!!!
You dont want pryor and never have
You want Palmer at all cost
Stick to your guns you look stupid trying to cover your tracks
December 29th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Well anybody but DA and company sounds good to me right now lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
M1st1c has made excuses for every black QB, true or not?
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I know he supported Campbell & currently supports Pryor. I’m in that same boat for those same players.
I don’t know if he supported Russell, Brooks, Martin, Evans, etc
December 29th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Lol 8-17 37 turn overs doesn’t need any magnification loser. It need to be hidden it’s an absolute eye sore.
Palmer did that on his own moron, my post have no influence on his lousy pathetic. Performance 4 wins 22 td 19 turn overs
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It must hurt you to know that his touchdown total is still more than your combined total turnover bs, you really wished he had fumbled like 15 times on blind side hits so the total turnover bs is more than his touchdowns lol
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It’s funny how he continues to neglect Palmer’s rushing TD, bringing his total to 23 scores, yet makes DAMNED SURE to mention rushing TDs for the wave of the future QBs.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Zymurge
It’s simple a guy making his first start should not be held to the same standard as lienart. Lienart a 6 year pro that has been in his offense for two years already
Nor should he be held to the same standard as Palme a 10 year 2 team washout scrub loser!
Anybody trying to say Pryor first start should be perfEct is an idiot.
Just like the crew that said Palmer was an instant upgrade or Pryor should never play .. You
December 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I did support no. 2 until I saw him smoking weed outside of te club at 3 am Sunday morning. He then became a dumpster fire and I called him out for it.
Pryor is not no.2
He is first in last to leave and a grinder like Gannon.
He will elevate the entire team
December 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Lol 23 tds 19 turn overs 4 wins = unimpressive
December 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
M1st1c has made excuses for every black QB, true or not?
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I know he supported Campbell & currently supports Pryor. I’m in that same boat for those same players.
I don’t know if he supported Russell, Brooks, Martin, Evans, etc
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has he not made excuses for newton, vick, freeman?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I’m out cross posters
Peace
December 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
is mistic racist, true or not?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I want TP to play so well that Denver tries to trade for him.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I’m out cross posters
Peace
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said the guy who does that 24/7
December 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
yes let’s fire everybody and start all over them again center next year and talk about the same ship Al Davis is gone let’s give Mackenzie a chance. I thought last year we were eight and eight and a DMC can stay healthy we can go nine and seven go to the playoffs but then we got dumb ass for OC and zone blocking well we know what happened then our offense is supposed to be like the Houston Texans let’s see how far they go in the playoffs of the. as far as prior goes nobody knows how good he’s going be will get a look tomorrow as long as you don’t turn the ball over that’s what will kill him and the offensive line is going to have trouble is the way he moves around it’s a lot harder to block for a running quarterback I like to see him putting in the pistol and put McFadden behind them.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Excuses for freeman ? Where when?
Anybody and everybody knows that Reid is being fired mainly for his pathetic o line the last few years.
Newton?
Lol the guy that is about to pass his passing tds total, cut his interceptions & topped his rushing yardage & win total?
Your an idiot
December 29th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Peace
December 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Mac idiot 20
” i want Pryor to play well”
LIAR!!!
“black qbs suck”
Remember that you were furious when I suggested that Pryor play?
You said ” back ups don’t play and Palmer should not be replaced at the end of he season”
You challenged me to provide proof of old losing vet qbs being sat down for youngsters and I provided about 20 spanning decades!!
STOP LYING!!!!!
You dont want pryor and never have
You want Palmer at all cost
Stick to your guns you look stupid trying to cover your tracks
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i was furious??? lmfao you know TP would have not started if CP was still healthy, good for the guy that he finally got his chance n kudos to coaching staff to give chance over lienart
December 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
M1st1c has made excuses for every black QB, true or not?
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So that’s why you hate?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always had to be twice as good as you people.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Lol 23 tds 19 turn overs 4 wins = unimpressive
— but the point is your racism shows when you try diminish every kinda accomplishment by him, you would have made sure you added the TDs that were even called back due to penalties, if you were talking about any black qb lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
M1st1c has made excuses for every black QB, true or not?
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So that’s why you hate?
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Hate who ?> LOL i don’t hate no body, it’s only him always race baiting people lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Henry Wofford on 957TheGame saying Dennis Allen has to go! This is great news. Sites his record, terrible decisions, and the fact the players don’t respect him compared the players reaction to the 1st win of the season (steeler) to the previous 2 head coaches. Nobody on the team congratulated or celebrated with DA where they were lifting up and hugging Cable and Hue when they got theirs. Says alot about his relationship with the players.
The fact the media is *finally* starting to call DA out is a very good sign.
I hope Mark Davis is listening..
Fire his sorry ass and lets get this going back in the right direction! We need to act quickly so we can get a good replacement. One of the reasons we got stuck with this jerkoff in the first place is we were so late in the hiring process.
Continuity is great. But when you make a mistake, you need to fix it immediately.
I was against the firing of Tom Cable and then the firing of HueJack but I really hope ‘Black Monday’ includes the Silver and Black because this guy is a joke.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
M20,
unlike Palmer … Vick was pretty solid in 2010 & 2011
Freeman & Newton both bested Palmer head2head this season [no, I don't think we would have beat the Panthers with a healthy Palmer]
December 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Racism? How many white people have been lynched by blacks?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Excuses for freeman ? Where when?
Anybody and everybody knows that Reid is being fired mainly for his pathetic o line the last few years.
Newton?
Lol the guy that is about to pass his passing tds total, cut his interceptions & topped his rushing yardage & win total?
Your an idiot
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But how many wins does he have to show for? last time i checked Car spent #1 on Newton , we gave up only a mid 1st and early 2nd for Palmer, not the same thing,
didn’t Philly give M Vick like 120 M contract, and aren’t you making excuses for him ?
Didn’t you make excuses for freeman , by saying he had sophomore slump LMAO, you get exposed every time
December 29th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I want TP to play so well he goes out with just the center and takes on the entire Charger defense by himself. And wins.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
So far today….
Ryan Nassib > Geno Smith….
And…RB Smith…= M.Bush 2.0
December 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Well well well fugggers / fugazzis. IVe been gone for a few days but have definiteley been keeping up with the news.
Was sitting down eating lunch yesterday when I got an espn udate to my phone. TERELLE PRYOR TO START…
Got super excited and was like.. “SHYYT JUST GOT REAL” Ive been screaming for Pryor to start since the Cleavland game. Pryor may have been further along by now. BUT CANT CRY OVER SPILT MILK.
Just glad he is starting, Hope he makes to the most of it. I think only me and Priesst were screaming about how good Pryor can be. Much to my excitment.. yesterdays news was music to my ears.
Btw did you see how ESPN picked up on it right away? the kid was a bigtime College start and believe me.. everybody will be watching across the nation, not just Raider fans. It will be real college football fans/ haters. Hope Pryor shows out!!!! LEHHHH GOOO!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
is mistic racist, true or not?
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I don’t know, because I haven’t walked in those shoes. There are definitely different standards for minorities vs non-minorities in what can be acceptably said about race. Showing clear support for a minority isn’t seen as racist, but being supportive of a non-minority race is usually viewed negatively.
I suppose an extrapolation of that statement is that if you are seen as not supportive of a minority then by implication you are supportive of the non-minority and that can be vieed as racist. I don’t personally see it that way, but then I’m not in those shoes.
On the other hand, if you look at the support of the “Wave of the future” QBs, what is the common denominator? They all run, but they don’t need sprinter’s speed (see Newton, Cam) so that would rule out the fact that there aren’t any white QBs with 4.4 40s as excluding them from this wave. What else makes them different then? Is it the systems that they run, where it is a one read option for pass or QB run? If so, then Tebow fits that category. Also, Wilson is having success is a more standard, ZBS/WCO system, so if there is support for that particular player, then why does he make the Wave and Rodgers does not?
At some point there is only one denominator left and then it does start to look like there is a race preference coming into play.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always had to be twice as good as you people’s
December 29th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
M20,
unlike Palmer … Vick was pretty solid in 2010 & 2011
Freeman & Newton both bested Palmer head2head this season [no, I don't think we would have beat the Panthers with a healthy Palmer]
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Palmer missed whole 2010 and then came midseason off his couch in 2011 to have game of his life in week 17, that would have propelled the Raiders into playoffs had the other team played like there was something on line or had the D forced 1 SD punt, or had Ford not slipped on a come back route when he was going to lead them another TD
December 29th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Post 711.
Bob Marley Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
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Good post. I have not been calling for the head of DA or RM but your post has made me think more about DA as our head coach for the future. I expect he’ll be back next year so all we can do is watch and hope…..
December 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off you nasty ass chin.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Well well well fugggers / fugazzis. IVe been gone for a few days but have definiteley been keeping up with the news.
Was sitting down eating lunch yesterday when I got an espn udate to my phone. TERELLE PRYOR TO START…
Got super excited and was like.. “SHYYT JUST GOT REAL” Ive been screaming for Pryor to start since the Cleavland game. Pryor may have been further along by now. BUT CANT CRY OVER SPILT MILK.
Just glad he is starting, Hope he makes to the most of it. I think only me and Priesst were screaming about how good Pryor can be. Much to my excitment.. yesterdays news was music to my ears.
Btw did you see how ESPN picked up on it right away? the kid was a bigtime College start and believe me.. everybody will be watching across the nation, not just Raider fans. It will be real college football fans/ haters. Hope Pryor shows out!!!! LEHHHH GOOO!!!
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You are not fooling anybody,Mist1c, good try though lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I want TP to play so well he tosses an eighty-yard downfield bomb…to himself.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always had to be twice as good as you peeble
December 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Expressing differences of opinion is healthy but some of these comments are comical in a sad way. These cross-posters are in need of serious help or they may be beyond help. First agreeing with, then disagreeing, etc under various names. It’s like taking mental illness into another dimension (like the Twilight Zone).
Someone a few topics back mentioned since the season is lost, it is like a preseason game and I agree. But this is more important than preseason because you are going to draft players rather than playing out what you have drafted. I hate to misjudge a player’s ability because he was nervous or he was playing lights out only to be a one game wonder. Playing all PS and backups may validate their potential but I prefer it over 3 games of play time. The management/coaches messed up in my opinion. Running backs and WR may play great during practice because they know that their team mates are not going to freight train them. However, in a actual game, guys may hear footsteps and drop a lot of balls. Get Derek Hagen in you s.. heads.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off you nasty ass chin.
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It’s funny you trying to make this into a race thing, when every member of the of Nation is excited about Pryor, whether they’re hispanic, white, black,asian (me)
December 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always had to be twice as good as “you people”
December 29th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty assed chin
December 29th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Great name for a center….Braxton Cave – ND
December 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always known we have to be twice as good as you people.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Aphid Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Expressing differences of opinion is healthy but some of these comments are comical in a sad way. These cross-posters are in need of serious help or they may be beyond help. First agreeing with, then disagreeing, etc under various names. It’s like taking mental illness into another dimension (like the Twilight Zone).
Someone a few topics back mentioned since the season is lost, it is like a preseason game and I agree. But this is more important than preseason because you are going to draft players rather than playing out what you have drafted. I hate to misjudge a player’s ability because he was nervous or he was playing lights out only to be a one game wonder. Playing all PS and backups may validate their potential but I prefer it over 3 games of play time. The management/coaches messed up in my opinion. Running backs and WR may play great during practice because they know that their team mates are not going to freight train them. However, in a actual game, guys may hear footsteps and drop a lot of balls. Get Derek Hagen in you s.. heads.
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=Truth!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty azzed chin
December 29th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
You are not fooling anybody,Mist1c, good try though lol
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Mystic? Shet up dude.. U are like hater number 1 been licking DA’s nutz for no reason the whole season. Ur like his Nephew or something.
I read ur post the past few days and u are switching ur stance. Dont change now on pryor..
December 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Btw Ive been the one saying draft Damontre Moore and Mcfadden 20 finally caught one.
Dmoore had more sacks/tackles leading the whole sec before Clowney finished with one more then him the last game.
pass on JJ ones. Take Star, Moore, or teo or trade down. The horrible horrible Palmer trade has left us without a 2nd rounder
December 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty azzed chin
-Not Al Davis
December 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
You guys b!tch and moan more than the panelists on The View.
Just be happy that Pryor’s getting a shot.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Btw Ive been the one saying draft Damontre Moore and Mcfadden 20 finally caught one.
Dmoore had more sacks/tackles leading the whole sec before Clowney finished with one more then him the last game.
pass on JJ ones. Take Star, Moore, or teo or trade down. The horrible horrible Palmer trade has left us without a 2nd rounder
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LMAO i finally caught on??? I been on Moore bandwagon since long time, i liked Jarvis Jones for a second but than thought about the system we will probably use, so he’s not going to be a fit for us, Moore will fit in perfectly with the multiple scheme
December 29th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Hue Jackson was 8-8, DA is 4-11. We’ve always known we have to be twice as good as you people.
-Not .al Davis
December 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Mcfadden20 I remember u dude.. U were saying jarvis jones and I wrote about Damontre moore, it might have been u.. or someone else but u did ur research on moore after i let it be known about this kid.
Also draft Eddie Lacy or Stefan Taylor out of Stanford. When Taylor becomes a star u gonna wish raiders had him. bet that
December 29th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
You are not fooling anybody,Mist1c, good try though lol
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Mystic? Shet up dude.. U are like hater number 1 been licking DA’s nutz for no reason the whole season. Ur like his Nephew or something.
I read ur post the past few days and u are switching ur stance. Dont change now on pryor..
– Are you serious? switching my stance??? LOL and what you mean read my posts the past few days, when on the other post you said you been gone for few days, LMAO cross post much?
December 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty azzed chin
-Not Al Davis, but “true raider fans”
December 29th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
If Terrele Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty azzed chin
-Not Al Davis, but “true raider fans”
December 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Mcfadden20 I remember u dude.. U were saying jarvis jones and I wrote about Damontre moore, it might have been u.. or someone else but u did ur research on moore after i let it be known about this kid.
Also draft Eddie Lacy or Stefan Taylor out of Stanford. When Taylor becomes a star u gonna wish raiders had him. bet that
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Shutup dude, i didn’t do research on him after you wrote about Damontre Moore, LMAO, I wanted JJ first but only if we convert to 3-4 but after reading up some mock drafts and a lot of them predicted us to take Moore so thats when i watched some of their games and researched more on him, now stfu about who liked who first , you sound like m1st1c, i was pryor fan first so rest of us Raiders fans have no right to like him lol
December 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
711 – Excellent post Bob.
December 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
If Terrele Pryor were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty azzed chin
-Not Al Davis, but “true raider fans”
December 29th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
What’s up with this childish behaviour, what’s next the oldest member in here chimes in and tell us we got no right to blog in here because he was Raiders fan first? LMFAO
December 29th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off you nasty ass chin.
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It’s funny you trying to make this into a race thing, when every member of the of Nation is excited about Pryor, whether they’re hispanic, white, black,asian (me)
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For me, it’s not race either, it’s style. I’m not a fan of running QBs that use their running skill as a means to overcome other deficiencies. In my opinion, if you break down the traits an NFL QBs needs to succeed in order of importance are:
1) Intelligence to fully understand all aspects of the playbook, offense, reads and audibles and thus the ability to quickly make the pre-snap reads.
2) Vision during the play to spot developing situations. That’s part having a quick processing head but also some intangibles that top athletes have in most sports with instinctive reactions.
3) A strong and accurate arm to make as many of the throws as possible
4) Mobility, primarily to evade the pass rush and buy time, secondarily to gain yards with your feet when that is the last, best remaining option.
Being very strong in 4 but deficient in any of the top 3 will impact your success much more than being deficient in mobility will. See Peyton Manning as the ultimate proof. He has #1 and #2 in spades. He has maybe 70% of the arm he had pre-neck surgery and absolutely zero mobility, yet he is very successful. Vince Young is an example of the other side of the spectrum. Mediocre on #1, showed decent vision for #2, and clearly was strong at #4. But his arm was very deficient and his decision making in #1 proved more and more limiting to the point where he is now moving into the bust category. Tebow is a very similar case, where I think he was a little better on the system but didn’t seem to have the vision. While he wasn’t a fast, big break threat like VY, he sure could rack up the rushing yards at a solid 4-5 yards everytime he did run, with the occassional broken tackles for bigger gains. A lot like Cam actually. But ultimately, he had that noodle arm that made him one dimensional. Compared to Cam, who seems pretty well balanced across all 4 categories and thus more successful.
Rating out TP, he’s very low in #1, based on his college film he’s lower than average on #2, he has a strong arm but struggles with accuracy making him subpar on #3 and he’s an amazing runner. That doesn’t pan out in the end.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
– Are you serious? switching my stance??? LOL and what you mean read my posts the past few days, when on the other post you said you been gone for few days, LMAO cross post much?
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I was gone and wasnt able to post.. but I visited this site at best buy… and scrolled through the blog. I meant u switched ur stance over the season on pryor.. u were licking Palmers sack the whole season and were trying to keep pryor down
I was saying this kid shows more fire / heart then most on the team and just needs a chance. U were spitting some meaningless Palmer garbage time all star stats.. saying trade justified bahahahah ..
The trade has been anything but justified. U and corkoran should save it. Now the past few days u are all over pryor
December 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
best buy has free internet on the Mac book air display
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Ok, off to see Django.
Later Gents.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I like jj over moore, and mingo over moore…
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I think we should trade down a few spots to recoup our 2nd and 5th rd picks….Then package DMAC for whatever we can get….Then pick up Best “Impact” player available….and at some point…Kaseem Green (LB Rutgers)
December 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
– Are you serious? switching my stance??? LOL and what you mean read my posts the past few days, when on the other post you said you been gone for few days, LMAO cross post much?
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I was gone and wasnt able to post.. but I visited this site at best buy… and scrolled through the blog. I meant u switched ur stance over the season on pryor.. u were licking Palmers sack the whole season and were trying to keep pryor down
I was saying this kid shows more fire / heart then most on the team and just needs a chance. U were spitting some meaningless Palmer garbage time all star stats.. saying trade justified bahahahah ..
The trade has been anything but justified. U and corkoran should save it. Now the past few days u are all over pryor
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Look i’m a fan of this team n not just certain players, Palmer’s #s are good when you consider what he had to work with, and not looking at it with agenda, i’m talking about that guy m1st1c who makes excuses for everything black while trying to say our Receiving corps was good our line was ok, our D was awesome everything is Palmers fault, and i have never ever said Pryor will never amount to anything, i want the guy to succeed, but there’s a reason it took 2 years and an injury to a starter for him to final get some time, there’s a reason he wasn’t drafted until 3rd rd with no competition from other players, if not for AL D he might have went in 6th or 7th rd, does the guy have potential sure? if he can keep on working hard, the sky is the limit , but M1st1c and some of you guys talk about him like he’s the best ever or something , which is what we have problem with, i hope the best for Pryor , i want him to go into HOF, but reality is he’s an unfinished product, that needs a lot of toning and work done
December 29th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Ok, off to see Django.
Later Gents.
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Have fun
December 29th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I like jj over moore, and mingo over moore…
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JJ is okay if ur switching to 3-4 full time and you got an offense that will score a lot and ask the other team to pass most of the times, Mingo is Kam Wimbley2.0 just one dip move and not good against the run, Moore is the who can do anything
December 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
It’s funny some guys don’t want other fans to cheer for certain Raiders players because they liked them first, or cuz they are the biggest fans of that certain player, are you f3kin serious? LMAO
December 29th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
If Terry Pryor was white, you people would have his schit dripping off you nasty ass chin.
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It’s funny you trying to make this into a race thing, when every member of the of Nation is excited about Pryor, whether they’re hispanic, white, black,asian (me)
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For me, it’s not race either, it’s style. I’m not a fan of running QBs that use their running skill as a means to overcome other deficiencies. In my opinion, if you break down the traits an NFL QBs needs to succeed in order of importance are:
1) Intelligence to fully understand all aspects of the playbook, offense, reads and audibles and thus the ability to quickly make the pre-snap reads.
2) Vision during the play to spot developing situations. That’s part having a quick processing head but also some intangibles that top athletes have in most sports with instinctive reactions.
3) A strong and accurate arm to make as many of the throws as possible
4) Mobility, primarily to evade the pass rush and buy time, secondarily to gain yards with your feet when that is the last, best remaining option.
Being very strong in 4 but deficient in any of the top 3 will impact your success much more than being deficient in mobility will. See Peyton Manning as the ultimate proof. He has #1 and #2 in spades. He has maybe 70% of the arm he had pre-neck surgery and absolutely zero mobility, yet he is very successful. Vince Young is an example of the other side of the spectrum. Mediocre on #1, showed decent vision for #2, and clearly was strong at #4. But his arm was very deficient and his decision making in #1 proved more and more limiting to the point where he is now moving into the bust category. Tebow is a very similar case, where I think he was a little better on the system but didn’t seem to have the vision. While he wasn’t a fast, big break threat like VY, he sure could rack up the rushing yards at a solid 4-5 yards everytime he did run, with the occassional broken tackles for bigger gains. A lot like Cam actually. But ultimately, he had that noodle arm that made him one dimensional. Compared to Cam, who seems pretty well balanced across all 4 categories and thus more successful.
Rating out TP, he’s very low in #1, based on his college film he’s lower than average on #2, he has a strong arm but struggles with accuracy making him subpar on #3 and he’s an amazing runner. That doesn’t pan out in the end.
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Well constructed post! See this is what makes me keep coming back. The Mistic-led Palmer bashing/ black QB pumping is 1. Unconstructive. 2. BORING.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Tough to gadge QB’s in this weather, and I do like Geno Smith’s intermediate accuracy, very Sam Bradford/Matt Ryan like.
But he just looks uncomfortable all the time against decent defenses. He fumbles almost every time he gets sacked it seems, and has average arm strength and mobility.
I am with McShay on his ranking, #1 QB in the draft, should be taken in the 20’s. Way too much bust potential to be looked at in the top 5.
Door is open for Aaron Murray to kick it down and take the #1 QB in the draft mantra in his game.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
It’s funny some guys don’t want other fans to cheer for certain Raiders players because they liked them first, or cuz they are the biggest fans of that certain player, are you f3kin serious? LMAO
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Crazy isn’t it?
I got dibs on Desmond Bryant, lol!!!!!
I’ve been calling on him since his first preseason game.
Imposters!!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It astonishes me that the TP debate has taken such a focus for this team. I think that “we” as a team have so many other pressing issues that have led to a dismal season, that it is not very logical that QB is the major position that so many people are raging about.
That being said, TP should have had his packages much earlier in the year, in order to bolster the red zone and third down packages, and providing a way to ease him in asQB of the future. It also makes sense that he starts over rag armed ML this week.
However the fans calling so desperately for him to replace Palmer are delusional and not thinking straight. At this juncture TP is not better than Palmer. Now if winning games is not your key focus and developing a young QB was your priority then fine.
Some of TP’s biggest supporters claim that he is great and a hard worker etc.
Being a hard worker should be a given ! And none of you have any evidence that he is great. What’s the rush ? He has not even eligible to practice the first quarter of the season last year. He’s young and raw and still working on fundamental skills !
This fan base really took a hit this year. I know some people here like Priest and others think that DA is a racist. If he is , maybe he should have been a golf or lacrosse coach
December 29th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
It’s funny some guys don’t want other fans to cheer for certain Raiders players because they liked them first, or cuz they are the biggest fans of that certain player, are you f3kin serious? LMAO
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Crazy isn’t it?
I got dibs on Desmond Bryant, lol!!!!!
I’ve been calling on him since his first preseason game.
Imposters!!!!!
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Well i don’t know who to root for , Raiders all day lets get it already hopped on Moore bandwagon way before me, maybe i will root for Lamar Houston lol. Imposters lol
December 29th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I’d rather have the pistol/ Read /option Rg3 packages before having a hurt Palmer back at 15 million a season.
This is assuming Pryor is halfway decent on Sunday
December 29th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Let’s get a good black QB like Gino Smith so all the brothers will feel better and we can drop this garbage and move back to focussing on winning than race
December 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
anyways i’m out later nation , have good weekend
December 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Palmer done?
from National Football Post: *Word out of Oakland is Carson Palmer’s rib and lung injuries may be even worse than reported. In part because of the injury, some of the big dogs in Oakland are saying they don’t expect Palmer to return in 2013. That will put the Raiders squarely in the middle of what looks to be a very mediocre quarterback market. ”
LINK http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-Buzz-Carson-Palmer-Russell-Wilson-more.html
December 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
1041,
I’ve never heard of a QB’s career being over becuz of rib and lung injury.
He just turned 33 so it’s not like he’s Favre as far as age goes.
You may not like him, but he threw for 4,000 yd’s n 14 games.
He may not have a future with the Raiders but i highly doubt his career is over cuz of that hit.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
That being said, TP should have had his packages much earlier in the year, in order to bolster the red zone and third down packages, and providing a way to ease him in asQB of the future. It also makes sense that he starts over rag armed ML this week.
However the fans calling so desperately for him to replace Palmer are delusional and not thinking straight. At this juncture TP is not better than Palmer. Now if winning games is not your key focus and developing a young QB was your priority then fine.
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I’ve said all along he should have been used in some red zone packages. I guess we learned this week that Knapp just didn’t get around to it… he was busy with 3rd down packages and getting into the red zone (rolling eyes.)
But yea, everything I hear is he IS NOT READY. I think we will see this tomorrow. If not, I will be amazed and admit it after the game. If nothing else it will drive home the point how clueless this coaching staff is. Why bury this guy off roster if he is capable of being a starting QB?
December 29th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
TP starting ?
Wonder gave Denise the titty twister ?
Did the order come from Mark or Reggie ?
Or am I supposed to believe that Smiling Titty Boy came to this decision on his own – after refusing to even activate TP for virtually the entire season and stating TP ‘wasn’t ready’ just a few days ago ?
Guess Smiling Titty Boy wants to keep his job, huh ?
Next up – Tits gets the marching order to fire his butt-buddy Krapp.
Hopefully, Smiling Titty Boy gets canned anyway (can’t have a RAIDER HC with tits smiling after getting buttfkd in Denver) – but at least it’s nice to know someone gave Tits an ultimatum, and the heat is on.
TERMINATE KRAPP WITH EXTREME PREJUDICE.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Lol@ Palmer done ! Perfect. Let’s go with TP the savior that works so hard and is so much better. We’re going to the Super Bowl next year
December 29th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
1041,
I’ve never heard of a QB’s career being over becuz of rib and lung injury.
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I haven’t either.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Palmer is taking nobody to the superbowl.
The bengals are better without palmer actually a playoff team
December 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Seriously, some of you sound like little babies.
‘I liked Pryor first…waaaaaahhhhhh. You can’t root for him cuz you didn’t predict he would start this year…waaaaahhhhhhh’.
And then you idiots turn it into a racial thing.
The same guy who wears a Cliff Branch jersey and a Bo Jackson shirt is racist cuz he doesn’t think a 3rd round pick is the best QB in the NFL.
Seriously…that is just pathetic.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The mods here are protecting certain posters
December 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Palmer is taking nobody to the superbowl.
The bengals are better without palmer actually a playoff team
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So what. Go root for them then. Have fun. Get lost.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
The mods here are protecting certain posters
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Who? The racists who don’t consider a 3rd rd. draft choice as the savior of mankind?
December 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
So what. Go root for them then. Have fun. Get lost.
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awww baby u mad? want a pacifer?? big baby stfu
December 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Never said Palmer was leading anybody to the SB. That was Hue who thought that and mortgaged our future by giving up way to much. He’s still superior to Pryor who has proven NADA
December 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Baby Slash,
I was being sarcastic..not slamming you btw.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Raider8 exactly.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
So what. Go root for them then. Have fun. Get lost.
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awww baby u mad? want a pacifer?? big baby stfu
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Shut me up Bengal loving bich.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Just like the Hue haters will be man enough to admit they were wrong about wanting him fired??
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If Jackson went to Indy, and Indy was 10-5 right now with him at the helm, I would be the first one on this blog to say I was wrong. But Jackson isn’t in Indy. In fact, Jackson twisted in the wind for weeks after his firing unlike Tom Cable who had a job within a couple of days. So, it’s not only me who thinks Jackson is a joke its this organization called the National Football League.
If Jackson’s friend Marvin Lewis didn’t offer him an assistant coaching position Jackson’s best offer would have been with the Pacoima High School Red Raiders. And by the way, the main job of the assistant position coach is to turn the film projectors on and off.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiderallday,
Why don’t tell us more about what the Bengal boards are saying about Palmer. I’m sure that’d be fascinating.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Wah wah wah
December 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
BOKNOWS is no relation, just unimaginative.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
The bengals are better without palmer actually a playoff team
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The last two years the Bungholes have had one of the better defenses in the league. While Palmer was there they had arguably the worst or close to it. Think that might make a difference in making the playoffs?
December 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
1059,
I realize i’m sounding like a jerk. I’m just irritated at everyone who has turned this Pryor thing into a source of conflict and division.
My apologies.
Peace.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Let’s face it. Our coaches have blown it this year. One thing they and Reggie are doing right is having players that think that speed is the most important quality to have. Stupid players who don’t understand the play book , however lame it is, sit on the bench
December 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Palmer done?
from National Football Post: *Word out of Oakland is Carson Palmer’s rib and lung injuries may be even worse than reported. In part because of the injury, some of the big dogs in Oakland are saying they don’t expect Palmer to return in 2013. That will put the Raiders squarely in the middle of what looks to be a very mediocre quarterback market. ”
LINK http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-Buzz-Carson-Palmer-Russell-Wilson-more.html
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Weren’t these the same guys who said Gruden was on his way here? And people still read their stuff?
December 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
LINK http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-Buzz-Carson-Palmer-Russell-Wilson-more.html
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Yeah eartbreaking news. Tons of facts to back it up too!! SMFH
December 29th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I’ve never heard of a QB’s career being over becuz of rib and lung injury.
He just turned 33 so it’s not like he’s Favre as far as age goes.
You may not like him, but he threw for 4,000 yd’s n 14 games.
He may not have a future with the Raiders but i highly doubt his career is over cuz of that hit.
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The ribs and lung will heal.
It’s the cartilage damage that is most concerning. Cartilage does not regenerate and the effects can linger for a very long time.
CP is a tough SOB and will probably try to come back.
But he should hang em up anyway.
Not bcz of the ribs or lung or even the knee suffered against Pitt in the playoffs.
It’s his elbow that’s shot.
Don’t gvafk what anyone says – the velocity on his throws is noticeably down – has been for several years now.
I’ve said several times that I would not be surprised to see CP walk away from this.
Think he was hoping to play well and have a shot at a playoff run.
That doesn’t appear to be in the cards.
Course 13 million is tough to walk away from, but CP has shown before that he’s willing to do that.
December 29th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I love Al but after the emergence of the salary cap you can’t just line up a team of giant fast dudes and roll the ball out. You have to have cheap smart players too
December 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
BOKNOWS is no relation, just unimaginative
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And WhoKnows is….?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Whocares?
Imagine That!!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
If I was Palmer I’d hang ‘em up. Why try so hard for a team that has become more dysfunctional than ever with a fan base that wants a QB who can’t learn the play book and is only hoping to control the huddle
December 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Whocares?
Imagine That!!
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Word!!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
bellicheat gets 7.5 mill a year and we are paying DA 4 mill for this crapp?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It astonishes me that the TP debate has taken such a focus for this team.
********************************************************I don’t think Pryor is nearly the focus of debate with the team as he is with some fans.
Pretty sure the players are much more concerned with their individual and scheme assignments than they are with whether or not the third string quarterback (sorry, backup, lol) gets his “fair share” of snaps in a real game. Sure, the staff and upper management want ot see what they have, but they also want to look at other guys as well so this is really no different.
Just because it’s taken on a life of its own in here and in certain media outlets doesn’t mean the team is obsessed with it like some fans are.
I realize that I’ll probably be called a “Pryor hater” now, but whatever. I hope the kid does great tomorrow and gives the team a real reason to think he can play QB in this league. It would be one less hole to plug once Palmer hangs it up.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I would love to believe that Pryor could be the man, but since Priest is claiming he is great is the kiss of death. Been reading his player predictions for years and the more ardently he supports them the more epic the fail
December 29th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I am a racist. White quarterbacks are the greatest and Doug Williams was the best of them all?
What do you mean he was Black? He is just a darker shade of White.
No… Then you mean that Joe Montana isn’t a lighter shade of Black??
I am totally confused. And I thought the skin shade determined the quality of the player… Wahhhhh
December 29th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Why should a qb seeing the field in his first start be held to the same standard as a 6 year pro?
Why did 99% of this board excuse palmer and his 37 turnovers in 25 games yet the qb making his debut only gets one game ‘ must play mistake free?!??
You cats are ridiculous
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I can answer that. Because this is the National Football League. That’s why. Carson Palmer came into the league, sat a year and played well out of the gate. Andrew Luck came in and played well out of the gate. RGIII came in and played well out of the gate. Russell Wilson came in and played well out of the gate. Mark Sanchez did not play well out of the gate. Sanchez would be gone if Tannebaum didn’t give up a lot to get him. Which means Tannebaum will be gone. Pryor is now up. And no one has invested alot into Pryor. So as we all know, NFL really stands for Not For Long. If he doesn’t do well he will not be out there for long.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Teach. It is tough to jump on the Pryor bandwagon when his most rabid proponents base their support based on “feelings”
December 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
If I was Palmer I’d hang ‘em up. Why try so hard for a team that has become more dysfunctional than ever with a fan base that wants a QB who can’t learn the play book and is only hoping to control the huddle
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You bring up an interesting point. Maybe the fan base that boos the good players and embraces the POS’s, doesn’t deserve good players. It might be that simple.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Seymore. Very lucid retort there !
December 29th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Seymore give them what they want. Sit Meyers for Ausbury while we’re at it. We’re not developing his great potential and our 80 catch TE dropped a couple of TD’s
December 29th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
1077.BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Teach. It is tough to jump on the Pryor bandwagon when his most rabid proponents base their support based on “feelings”
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In my opinion there is no bandwagon to jump on (or off) of.
The kid hasn’t played. No way to know whether he can do anything or not until he does.
We’ll see how he does. Trust me, I hope like he*l he can play. Gonna have to replace Palmer at some point, and the best scenario is to do it with someone that’s already on the team. No expensive free agents, no spending (or trading) draft choices we desperately need for other positions.
I’d love to be on the Terrelle Pryor bandwagon. It’s just that right now there’s nothing to go on other than hoping he does well.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
And let’s get Taiwan Jones in there. He has speed to burn and even though he drops the ball and doesn’t know the plays and won’t know his protections it will be fine because now we have a QB who can run
December 29th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Seymore give them what they want. Sit Meyers for Ausbury while we’re at it. We’re not developing his great potential and our 80 catch TE dropped a couple of TD’s
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Exactly. And we should fire Dennis Allen because Bill Cowher is coming here as HC and taking over the defense with Jon Gruden as his OC. I read it on National football Post. But they didn’t give a byline as to who said it….
December 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Teach. I will drop the sarcasm and agree with you. We’ll have to sink or swim with TP now. We have so many other holes to fill we can’t waste picks or cash trying to find a QB. Big time QB’ s cost ! As evidenced by the Palmer trade
December 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
LMFAO…Peymour
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Exactly. And we should fire Dennis Allen because Bill Cowher is coming here as HC and taking over the defense with Jon Gruden as his OC. I read it on National football Post. But they didn’t give a byline as to who said it…
December 29th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Peymour is there anything on the internet you wont believe ?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I would love to believe that Pryor could be the man, but since Priest is claiming he is great is the kiss of death. Been reading his player predictions for years and the more ardently he supports them the more epic the fail
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Yeah, that’s true, but even a broken clock…
Personally, I’m skeptical that TP can consistently throw accurately enough to ever be THE MAN.
I don’t buy into the ‘he’s too dumb to learn the playbook’ argument at all.
JaMoron was too stupid, inarticulate and lazy to ever make it – but I don’t get that same vibe about TP.
He’ll get the playbook down. He’ll be able to command the huddle. There’s no doubt he can TERRORIZE defenses with his ability to extend plays and gain yardage with his legs,
If TP can throw even moderately well, that’s enough to make him a viable QB.
If he can throw really well, he’s a franchise QB.
If he’s as poor a thrower as many insist, TE or WR here we come.
Regardless of how things turn out I think expending a 3rd on TP was a very good gamble, and don’t second guess that decision whatsoever.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Don’t gvafk what anyone says – the velocity on his throws is noticeably down – has been for several years now.
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I’ve only been watching him since he came to the Raiders, but I have never seen any velocity problems. Well I take that back.. his touch on his lob passes is off at times (that TD to Myers that turned into an int?)
I don’t think thats what you mean though.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Peymour is there anything on the internet you wont believe ?
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Yeah, someone posted that you stopped dumpster diving and got a job slanging bottles and cans. I don’t believe that…
December 29th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
LMFAO…Peymour
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Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Exactly. And we should fire Dennis Allen because Bill Cowher is coming here as HC and taking over the defense with Jon Gruden as his OC. I read it on National football Post. But they didn’t give a byline as to who said it…
MistaBrown Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Peymour is there anything on the internet you wont believe ?
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Sarcasm and humour are a sign of intelligence. It took less than three seconds to prove this moron is a complete utter dolt. Merry Christmas.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raiderman99 good post. Worth a 3rd rounder for sure. I don’t think he is stupid either. Just inexperienced . Most QB’s need to learn before they do. Only the few step in right away. It will depend on how accurate he is and his feet and mechanics
December 29th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
carson palmer is our mvp this year-
mcfagile cant run as well as goodson or reece or da new guy
the line needs help
hey lets trade palmer LOL
December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Oh Peymour, were you making a joke ? Your so utterely retarded it’s hard to know when you are playing or when your little p-brain is short circuiting.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
The failure of this team is due to the radical change in scheme which gutted our o line and rendered a dominant McFadden to a east west runner who is getting punker instead of getting up field and delivering a blow
December 29th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
mcfadden couldnt dominate a pillow fight -hed get hurt
HAHA
December 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Mr. Brown . That’s creepy stuff when you log on and skip all Raider related posts and start berating S. Bush immediately in a rather childish fashion
December 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Mikeschoice McFadden was dominant last year. Too bad his over under is 9 games a year, yes indeed
December 29th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Mike are you a dumb kunt?
Its not DMAC’s fault G Knapp and his ZBS is garbage. DMAC is in the top 3 Rb’s in the NFL if he is playing in a power run scheme.
Wakeup numb nuts!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Before McFadden got hurt last year he was playing better than any Raider since Gannon though
December 29th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
half palmers int’s hit the track stars in the chest. the other half the track star ran the wrong route or couldnt get any seperation
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Priest just went off on the radio. He’s actually more articulate verbally than on the blog.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
BabyNuts, there is no Raider news. The season has been over for 10 weeks now. Did you just wakeup from a 2 month nap ?
Furthermore, Peymour Bush is a cross posting tr0ll that needs to be socked in the chops whener the FK I feel like it.
K ?
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
dmac -top 3 -put your crack pipe down
he barely broke 1000 once in his life
haha
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Great posting by JFB and Marks Hair from about 7:50 am onwards.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Mr. Brown . That’s creepy stuff when you log on and skip all Raider related posts and start berating S. Bush immediately in a rather childish fashion
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It is what you call a classic internet troll. The best part is when this turd accuses others of trolling. We only keep him around because someone needs to clean the toilets around here.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
scholorships are over!
dmac is gone boys
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Wow. The kid that just scored for Texas against Oregon State reportedly runs the 40 in 4.24.
Competed in the London Olympics as a long jumper.
Don’t know if he can play or not, but 4.24 is amazing.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Wow. You see the after-burners on that Goodwin kid from Texas ?
Al Davis, God bless him, would have been salivating.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Oh Peymour, were you making a joke ?
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Its OK you didn’t get it Jamista. No one expected you to. Sign of intelligence like I said. Jamista you might want to do your job and go clean the toilets. And do a good job for a change.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
scholorships are over!
dmac is gone boys
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True dat. But some in here want to give Pryor starts even tho he hasn’t earned them. Or put McClain back out there. Or start Dmac even tho all the other backs have out performed him..
December 29th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Peymour the most well known tr0ll on this site for about 4 years running calling me a tr0ll
hahaha
December 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Anybody is better than Dennis Allen. He is the weakest head coach in the league. He has proven it over and over and continues to.
Reggie got scammed. The Broncos are laughing at us. Loudly. The rest of the league is laughing too.
Watch the presser yesterday he’s asked about evaluating himself this season, he made excuses. Blames the difficult ‘personal’ and ‘on the field’ problems he’s had to face. Wow.
*Any* of the coaches who are getting fired this year are more qualified than Capt Sharpie.
We cannot rebuild without getting rid of this stain first.
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Yep and Hue dealt with waaaaay more adversity last year and still had the same team DA has one game from playoffs.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Pats waived DT Ron Brace.
go get’em Reggie!!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Yeh we see what happens to Chicago when they have to use Campbell …. Ouch!
And bush isn’t exactly tearing it up
December 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
1110.Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
scholorships are over!
dmac is gone boys
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True dat. But some in here want to give Pryor starts even tho he hasn’t earned them. Or put McClain back out there. Or start Dmac even tho all the other backs have out performed him..
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… or Taiwan Jones. Or Bruce Campbell. Or DVD. Or Ausberry.
Funny how those same folks weren’t clamoring for Bergstrom.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Seriously, some of you sound like little babies.
‘I liked Pryor first…waaaaaahhhhhh. You can’t root for him cuz you didn’t predict he would start this year…waaaaahhhhhhh’.
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Lol. True. It’s unfortunate whenever this happens. People advertizing themselves, trying to position themselves in this community as better football minds.
Unfortunately, we all do it. I try to avoid it myself, but from time to time I’m human. Did it earlier today re-iterating how I was the first to recognize (a week or so ago) Tarver would make a good HC one day.
Some do the…i played football, i coached football, did you, method. Some the…look at my fantasy football team, i am a great scout. Some the…i noticed/liked a player first. The worst is the…i was a raider fan before you so im a bigger/truer raider fan than you.
December 29th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
If Dennis Allen isn’t fired this year he will be fired after next season and we’ll have wasted another year. He simply doesn’t have it. Either you can or you can’t. And he can’t.
Reggie got sold a stale bag of M&M’s.
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Exactly!
December 29th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Can’t wait to see how the moron Knapp calls plays tomorrow with TP at QB.
Knapp is a POS!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Mr Brown if you don’t see any news and the season has been over for you why don’t you do something productive ? Don’t you have a family, demanding profession, loose women to chase or any hobbies or interests ? Just asking. Seems like Seymour plays a huge roll in your life. You should consider how much power you are giving him in your life and how much energy you use on attacks against him. Been witness to it for several years and you have expended considerable energy with zero results. What’s the payoff ? Or are you merely living an emotional “hand to mouth” existence without reflecting at all about your own existence?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
DiKnight, DA has the same team as Hue? Two new LB’s, 2 new corners (both gone), Criner & Streater @ WR…..same team?
Why dont you stick to licking J Lin’s nads.
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DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Yep and Hue dealt with waaaaay more adversity last year and still had the same team DA has one game from playoffs.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Been thinking about Dennis Allen. Should or shouldn’t he be fired.
There are many many reasons why he should…all the actual football-related issues.
But the one i think is most pressing is simply how he lies, always deflects blame, and finds excuses defend himself.
That to me screams he’s not HC material. He will not inspire men, they will not gravitate around him.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
If its true what they are saying about Palmer, work out a trade for Matt Flynn.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
DiKnight do you have any brilliant draft takes?
lol
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
very interesting read… notice Hue Jackson and stuff on Raiders…
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–five-nfl-coaches-most-likely-to-get-fired-and-their-potential-replacements
While eight NFL sources told Yahoo! Sports that the league’s annual firing spree will likely result in six to eight head coaches losing their jobs at season’s end, at least 13 jobs appear to be in some state of discussion. In addition, another six general manager jobs are also in flux.
Here’s a rundown of what could happen come as early as Monday, along with potential replacements for the most likely fired coaches.
Most likely changes
Norv Turner is 55-40 in six seasons with San Diego. (AP)1. San Diego Chargers – A year after Norv Turner was kept over the objections of the Chargers fan base, his reign as coach appears to be down to a matter of hours. Turner will end up somewhere as an offensive coordinator, but his career as a head coach is likely done.
Possible replacements – Andy Reid (Eagles head coach), Bruce Arians (Colts offensive coordinator), Hue Jackson (Bengals assistant), Jim Caldwell (Ravens offensive coordinator).
2. Kansas City Chiefs – Romeo Crennel deserves a medal for what he has been through this season, particularly the murder-suicide involving Jovan Belcher. Sadly, his work as head coach fell far short of acceptable.
Possible replacements – Bruce Arians, Jim Caldwell, Ray Horton (Cardinals defensive coordinator), Jay Gruden (Bengals offensive coordinator), Kyle Shanahan (Redskins offensive coordinator), Brian Schottenheimer (Rams offensive coordinator).
3. Philadelphia Eagles – Andy Reid’s 14-year run as head coach is coming to an end with the worst season of his career. This comes following the personal tragedy of losing his son to an accidental drug overdose before the season. Reid should take a break, but he desperately wants to coach again.
Possible replacements – Chip Kelly (Oregon coach), Jon Gruden (broadcaster, former NFL coach), Jay Gruden, Hue Jackson.
Pat Shurmur is in his second year with the Browns. (AP)4. Cleveland Browns – New team president Joe Banner is expected to do a full overhaul of the football operations, starting with coach Pat Shurmur and extending to general manager Tom Heckert. The breaking point is that Banner looked at the team’s failure to trade up for Robert Griffin III and the reasoning for it.
Possible replacements – Josh McDaniels (Patriots offensive coordinator), Chip Kelly, Nick Saban (Alabama coach), Ray Horton.
5. Buffalo Bills – Give coach Chan Gailey credit for being loyal to defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt, who a decade ago gave Gailey a coordinator job in Miami. However, that loyalty may have led to Gailey’s undoing in a year when the Bills were expected to compete for a title. That, and not being good enough at quarterback.
Possible replacements – Jay Gruden, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McCoy (Broncos offensive coordinator), Bruce Arians, Perry Fewell (Giants defensive coordinator), Jim Caldwell.
Pretty strong bets to go
6. Arizona Cardinals – The question is whether coach Ken Whisenhunt has completely lost the team (as it appears). Throw on top of that a really bad quarterbacking situation and you have plenty of justification for change … if ownership is willing to eat Whisenhunt’s salary.
7. Jacksonville Jaguars – It may be unfair to give a coach only one year, but Mike Mularkey hasn’t done much to energize the Jaguars or the fans. The team’s inability to develop second-year quarterback Blaine Gabbert before his injury is damning. Couple that will a likely change at general manager and you have a recipe for a quick exit.
[More: Black offensive assistants face roadblocks to become NFL head coaches]
8. Tennessee Titans – When your owner calls one loss this season the worst he has witnessed in 50-plus years and says he then turns off the TV while watching the most recent game, that’s not good. Only coach Mike Munchak’s long history with the team may save him for another season.
Still a chance they could go
Dennis Allen with Raiders defender Lamarr Houston. (Getty Images)9. Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence. More proof that the Raiders should have stuck with Hue Jackson.
10. New York Jets – All indications are that Rex Ryan is going to survive for another season, although there are probably going to be a lot of changes around him (GM, offensive coordinator and maybe even quarterback). But if owner Woody Johnson gets the urge, the purge could be complete.
11. Carolina Panthers – Whenever a GM is going to be replaced (the Panthers fired Marty Hurney in-season), there is automatic speculation about the head coach. However, it appears that coach Ron Rivera is safe right now.
12. Detroit Lions – Between his contract extension through 2015 and the Lions’ abysmal history before he took over, coach Jim Schwartz appears to be safe. However, he definitely needs to change the attitude and approach of his team, which has too many problem children.
13. Chicago Bears – The Bears are an exceptionally conservative team and it’s unlikely that coach Lovie Smith will be let go after a winning season. That said, the constant changes at offensive coordinator and the underperformance of quarterback Jay Cutler are starting to trace to Smith.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Yep and Hue dealt with waaaaay more adversity last year and still had the same team DA has one game from playoffs.
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I don’t know if I would agree with that. The only starter that went on IR last year was Shaughnessy. Eugene was a backup and I don’t think Jackson ever IR’d Campbell or McFadden. Allen has had four starters go on IR including both starting corners, his best defensive player in Seymour among others. If Al Davis dying would constitute adversity, I would think that it would be easier to operate if Davis was not in the way. But that’s just my opinion.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Mr Brown if you don’t see any news and the season has been over for you why don’t you do something productive ? Don’t you have a family, demanding profession, loose women to chase or any hobbies or interests ? Just asking. Seems like Seymour plays a huge roll in your life. You should consider how much power you are giving him in your life and how much energy you use on attacks against him. Been witness to it for several years and you have expended considerable energy with zero results. What’s the payoff ? Or are you merely living an emotional “hand to mouth” existence without reflecting at all about your own existence?
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Yeah, that clown MrsBrownStains is the biggest lowlife POS on this blog.
To make it even worse….he is a GOP Republican!
It all makes sense why that clown is the a TURD! Lol
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
When Mark and Reggie sit down with Allen in some post-season evaluation session, I am sure they will see this come out from him.
When Reggie interviewed him for the HC job, he was a bub, had no adversity. Just ideals. He says all the right things.
But with a year under his belt, him center stage as an NFL HC, and captain of one the worst performing teams, we can vivisect Allen now, true colors come out under adversity and failure.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Yep and Hue dealt with waaaaay more adversity last year and still had the same team DA has one game from playoffs.
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I don’t know if I would agree with that. The only starter that went on IR last year was Shaughnessy. Eugene was a backup and I don’t think Jackson ever IR’d Campbell or McFadden. Allen has had four starters go on IR including both starting corners, his best defensive player in Seymour among others. If Al Davis dying would constitute adversity, I would think that it would be easier to operate if Davis was not in the way. But that’s just my opinion.
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Hue lost his starting QB and star RB mid season AND on top of that, the legendary old owner/GM dies. Jacoby Ford was hurt, Taiwan Jones was hurt, Satele was banged up AND Hue had to deal with having a POS DC in Chuck B.
Don’t you see this? How many times does it need to be repeated? Are you blind?
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Some do the…i played football, i coached football, did you, method. Some the…look at my fantasy football team, i am a great scout. Some the…i noticed/liked a player first. The worst is the…i was a raider fan before you so im a bigger/truer raider fan than you.
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Hey, don’t forget the “I go to the games” crew either!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
When Mark and Reggie sit down with Allen in some post-season evaluation session, I am sure they will see this come out from him.
When Reggie interviewed him for the HC job, he was a bub, had no adversity. Just ideals. He says all the right things.
But with a year under his belt, him center stage as an NFL HC, and captain of one the worst performing teams, we can vivisect Allen now, true colors come out under adversity and failure.
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Yep!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Some do the…i played football, i coached football, did you, method. Some the…look at my fantasy football team, i am a great scout. Some the…i noticed/liked a player first. The worst is the…i was a raider fan before you so im a bigger/truer raider fan than you.
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Hey, don’t forget the “I go to the games” crew either!!!
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Yep! Those people know who you are! Lol
December 29th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
“Dennis Allen with Raiders defender Lamarr Houston. (Getty Images)9. Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence. More proof that the Raiders should have stuck with Hue Jackson.”
from above article…
December 29th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
DA deserves to be fired but with a good offensive coordinator he might be able to grow
December 29th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I hope Brandon Bair gets some playing time tomorrow, it’d be nice if he got a few sacks….hopefully a diamond in the rough!!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Let’s hope TP plays as well as he can despite being strapped with one of the worst OC’s in the league in Greg Knapp calling plays for him.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
^^^^^^^^^
Hue lost his starting QB and star RB mid season AND on top of that, the legendary old owner/GM dies. Jacoby Ford was hurt, Taiwan Jones was hurt, Satele was banged up AND Hue had to deal with having a POS DC in Chuck B.
Don’t you see this? How many times does it need to be repeated? Are you blind?
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Dude, I didn’t say hurt, I said IR’d. ALL TEAMS have guys banged up. And we didn’t have a banged up Satele this year. We didn’t have Satele at all! And Jacoby Ford was IR’d before this season even started!! And let’s be honest, I don’t know if Taiwan Jones is going to change the world. The thing that is interesting is Jackson did not IR Jason Campbell. Why he did not open that roster spot is kind of puzzling.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Hue had more talent and much larger payroll. 9-7doesnt win afc west anymore. And hue couldn’t get 9-7
Wimbledon was good, not worth how many million ?10-12?
Rout, bush, satele, Seymour,
And hue still didn’t have enough talent on this team, can’t blame him they weren’t his picks, except palmer
December 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Until further notice Allen is a Head Coach in the NFL. Jackson is not. Enuff said…
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The thing that is interesting is Jackson did not IR Jason Campbell. Why he did not open that roster spot is kind of puzzling.
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He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The thing that is interesting is Jackson did not IR Jason Campbell. Why he did not open that roster spot is kind of puzzling.
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He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
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Exactly. ANOTHER bone headed move by Jackson.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Until further notice Allen is a Head Coach in the NFL. Jackson is not. Enuff said…
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DA is a head coach in name only!
4-12….nice regression there DA. Nice move by DA to hire a POS crap like Knapp as OC also, when anyone with a functional brain knows Knapp SUCKS!
Doesn’t say much for DA’s judgement.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I don’t recall seeing such an outcry to fire the GM, head coach, OC, DC and special teams coach so early in their tenure. Now that Al is gone we all fear that we are stuck with these guys and have the itchy trigger finger. A lot of fans used to preach continuity when Al was in charge
December 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
There is actual talk of Cable doing well in Seattle and may get another sot at HC one day but there is no such talk of Hue Jackson because Hue was just Al’s yes man not a leader he crumbled when Al passed instead of lead us to victory.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
You guys are just too weird. You speculate about what is going on in the front office, make up sht and then want to be taken seriously.
Have a nice life.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The thing that is interesting is Jackson did not IR Jason Campbell. Why he did not open that roster spot is kind of puzzling.
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He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
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Exactly. ANOTHER bone headed move by Jackson.
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Hmm…I wonder if DA’s boneheaded moves are more than Hue’s boneheaded moves?
DA hiring Knapp is proof of that alone! LOL
December 29th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
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Or maybe Jackson didn’t know that guys who were injured could be replaced on the active roster. That might be most believable considering he couldn’t even get the coin flip right in his first game. That right there should have told us all something.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
OH GREAT,BACK TO HUE AGAIN.THOUGHT THERE MAY JUST BE SOME TALK ABOUT THE GAME TOMORROW..
December 29th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
1144-very well put.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
My thoughts on Hue Jackson…
He’s not here.
Hope he doesn’t get hired for San Diego or Chiefs job.
My point for posting above article was this…
“9. Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence.”
Looks like DA being back next year may not be such a “sure thing” after all.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
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Or maybe Jackson didn’t know that guys who were injured could be replaced on the active roster. That might be most believable considering he couldn’t even get the coin flip right in his first game. That right there should have told us all something.
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Not nearly the debacle that we had to witness on opening day this year. Note to DA, if you don’t have your “backup” long snapper ever practice, don’t keep trying to punt.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
My thoughts on Hue Jackson…
He’s not here.
Hope he doesn’t get hired for San Diego or Chiefs job.
My point for posting above article was this…
“9. Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence.”
Looks like DA being back next year may not be such a “sure thing” after all.
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Reid will be in San Diego before Jackson would be.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/29/source-reid-has-his-sights-set-on-san-diego/
So much for “taking a year off”.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Twocents Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
You guys are just too weird. You speculate about what is going on in the front office, make up sht and then want to be taken seriously.
Have a nice life.
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You, too.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
There is actual talk of Cable doing well in Seattle and may get another sot at HC one day but there is no such talk of Hue Jackson because Hue was just Al’s yes man not a leader he crumbled when Al passed instead of lead us to victory.
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Was his Offense better than Greg Knapp’s?
thank you.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Well at least with Pryor playing, they might, JUST MIGHT, put us in the highlight mix on ESPN and such.
Again….might.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Geno smith sucks. Damn.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Hey chucky didn’t even challenge refs on tuck rule and the n he called a time out on field goal so they could clear snow.
That’s why al traded him
We haven’t exactly had geniuses!
December 29th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’m posting as me. And reading the last 20 posts, I am confused as to who to call stupid. Guess that makes me stupid.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
The thing that is interesting is Jackson did not IR Jason Campbell. Why he did not open that roster spot is kind of puzzling.
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He wanted to keep Campbell and McFadden on the active roster because they were going to be ready in time for the playoffs, lol.
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Exactly. ANOTHER bone headed move by Jackson.
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Again, how’d his offense stack up against Greg Knapp’s?
December 29th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Hey chucky didn’t even challenge refs on tuck rule and the n he called a time out on field goal so they could clear snow.
That’s why al traded him
We haven’t exactly had geniuses!
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Hey, Chucky never had a losing season here.
thats still pretty genius in my book.
December 29th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Well at least with Pryor playing, they might, JUST MIGHT, put us in the highlight mix on ESPN and such.
Again….might.
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only if he rips off a 76 yard TD run … and throws for another 3 TDs.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Hey, Chico.! I think you’re younger than me and Mark Davis (No birthdate available, anywhere), but did you hear any stories about Mark’s party’ing days at that fine institute?
December 29th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Raiderman mentions that Palmer’s elbow might be shot which makes this season that much more impressive.
He throws for 4,000 yd’s in 14 games, with 13 dropped potential td’s and numerous other drops, no running game…
So with a shot elbow he does all that?
He had an udfa rookie to throw too…a te who is near the top of the league in drops (Myers) and a pair of receivers who are considered average at best by all analysts.
People comparing him to Dalton at Cincy? Must be nice to have one of the best receivers in the game in AJ Green as well as Gresham to throw to.
4,000 yd’s with all those drops and everything else?
Pretty good for an old has been with a shot elbow.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Please, TP. Put your freak on, run like a madman, ignore Knapp, conspire with the running backs and O line, and go full Kobe this Sunday. Let’s see what you have.
Good luck, kid.
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AMEN.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Raiderman mentions that Palmer’s elbow might be shot which makes this season that much more impressive.
He throws for 4,000 yd’s in 14 games, with 13 dropped potential td’s and numerous other drops, no running game…
So with a shot elbow he does all that?
He had an udfa rookie to throw too…a te who is near the top of the league in drops (Myers) and a pair of receivers who are considered average at best by all analysts.
People comparing him to Dalton at Cincy? Must be nice to have one of the best receivers in the game in AJ Green as well as Gresham to throw to.
4,000 yd’s with all those drops and everything else?
Pretty good for an old has been with a shot elbow.
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shot elbow = owed 13 mil in 2013.. importance of this Pryor start is unimaginable.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Lmao, if the fate of this franchise us in the hands of a (should have been) fourth round pick who is just getting the huddle mastered after TWO seasons, then we are in deep trouble for the foreseeable future!
December 29th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence.
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Always best to take reports from unnamed ’sources’ and ‘confidants’ with a grain of salt – but this one gets my hopes up.
Why ?
Because Smiling Titty Boy, after failing to even activate TP through the first 12 games of the season, and stating that TP ‘wasn’t ready’ just days ago -
is suddenly starting TP this week.
Think Tits just changed his mind or only reacted to Matt Lice’s expected comical play ?
Or is it more likely that Dumbass Allen, got his nipples twisted by Mark and/or Reggie and was told he better start TP ?
There’s probably not a HC in the NFL more deserving of being fired than Smiling Titty Boy.
It’s only the oft criticized RAID ‘coaching carousel’, and the perception of continuing instability – as well as having to swallow Tit’s 4 miilion per year contract – that even gives Smiling Titty Boy a glimmer of hope of returning.
Tits SHOULD go – but might get to stay.
Krapp MUST go – of that there can be no doubt.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
1164,
I agree. I like Palmer, i think he’s a trooper, but of most importance is the future of this team.
IF Palmer decides to hang it up that frees up a ton of money for us. That’s the positive part of that.
I’m rooting for Pryor. We need something postive in the worst way.
I do worry he won’t have much of a chance with Knapps play calling.
I’m with you guys in that he should just do what he does and ignore Knapp if he has to.
Take over the dam team like the Brady’s, Rodgers, and Mannings do.
Don’t go down w/out a fight.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Reading through today’s posts… Wow, this place went to crap. Can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
People comparing him to Dalton at Cincy? Must be nice to have one of the best receivers in the game in AJ Green as well as Gresham to throw to.
4,000 yd’s with all those drops and everything else?
Pretty good for an old has been with a shot elbow.
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Exactly. And let’s not forget a decent running game with an 1100 yard back in Green-Ellis. Of course having a set of solid bookend tackles in Cincy certainly doesn’t hurt either. Palmer probably wonders what the fook he is doing here when even Cincy looks good right about now.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
edward teach Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
1110.Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
scholorships are over!
dmac is gone boys
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True dat. But some in here want to give Pryor starts even tho he hasn’t earned them. Or put McClain back out there. Or start Dmac even tho all the other backs have out performed him..
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… or Taiwan Jones. Or Bruce Campbell. Or DVD. Or Ausberry.
Funny how those same folks weren’t clamoring for Bergstrom.
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I think it’s also the same general group that points out all of the faults in Burris. Somehow the 4th round, low expectations rookie is now expected to play like Ray Lewis, but the 3rd rounder with 2 full seasons to learn gets a whole slew of prebuilt excuses and extremely low expectations.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
So, after two years of making hard decisions and cutting big bad contracts, Reggie McKenzie will have reduced the total contract dollars from the previous administration down to just slightly better than what the Seahawks had at the beginning of their rebuild. This should put into perspective exactly how poor the financial situation was (and still is) within the Raiders’ organization. As bad as the Seattle contracts were, the Raiders’ contracts were about 50% worse, compounding the difficulty of the rebuild.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
It’s only the oft criticized RAID ‘coaching carousel’, and the perception of continuing instability – as well as having to swallow Tit’s 4 miilion per year contract – that even gives Smiling Titty Boy a glimmer of hope of returning.
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THAT is it in a nutshell.
THAT is the only reason he’ll most likely come back, which is not right. Since when were the Raiders so overall concerned with the perception of the media and other teams fans, and abandon the “renegade, we do it our way” modus operandi that has defined the Raider brand for decades.
I know we have a bunch of fans on this blog who worry about how we’re perceived by the experts. It gives some here a warm glow when announcers say that “now they’re doing things the RIGHT way”. Here’s the problem. The RIGHT WAY is WINNING…period. IF “Tits” were to hit the road and we start winning again, all that negative image stuff will go away.
WINNING is everything in sports. It’s just the way it is.
I’d rather WIN and be criticised (which we won’t be) then lose and have the warm, fuzzy approval of the media idiots who think we are “doing it the right way”.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
next year we will just field 22 washed up players on 1 year contracts trade all our draft picks to 2014…that way we save money and have a chance come 2016…smh
December 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
dj johnny = understands
December 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Again, how’d his offense stack up against Greg Knapp’s?
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People forget that our starters on Week One were Rod Streator who had never played in a game, Hagan who had played in a handful of games, Ausberry who had never started a game before, and a remade offensive line who had never played together before. Which put it all onto McFadden. And we all know how that turned out.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
morilla Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Reading through today’s posts… Wow, this place went to crap. Can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings
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What do you mean went to crap? When was it not crap?
December 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
our starters were that because dumbaszs reggie let chaz and murphy go…what about our corners? same sh!t reggie sent them packing…another reason reggie needs to go…
December 29th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Again, how’d his offense stack up against Greg Knapp’s?
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People forget that our starters on Week One were Rod Streator who had never played in a game, Hagan who had played in a handful of games, Ausberry who had never started a game before, and a remade offensive line who had never played together before. Which put it all onto McFadden. And we all know how that turned out.
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Not bad. But Hue’s was better …. Hoping for one last inspirational showing against San Diego to give us some hope
December 29th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
POST-1172 WELL SAID.
“I WOULD RATHER BE FEARD THAN RESPECTED” AL DAVIS
December 29th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Lmao, if the fate of this franchise us in the hands of a (should have been) fourth round pick who is just getting the huddle mastered after TWO seasons, then we are in deep trouble for the foreseeable future!
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Palmer due 13 mil
Pryor due 595,000
Leinart HORRIFIC
one is injured, and Raiders have a high enough pick to consider trading down and still get a QB
very interesting off season coming….
December 29th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
morilla Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Reading through today’s posts… Wow, this place went to crap. Can’t wait to see what tomorrow brings
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What do you mean went to crap? When was it not crap?
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When there are no cross posters, whining, fire Knapp, fire DA b.s.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Until further notice Allen is a Head Coach in the NFL. Jackson is not. Enuff said…
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Wow! so was Rich Kotite….Tits needs to leave
December 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
“I WOULD RATHER BE FEARD THAN RESPECTED” AL DAVIS
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I have always been a big Al Davis guy, but when you put out the product we have seen the last ten years not only are you NOT feared, you are NOT respected either. Which is where we were before Allen, McKenzie and co. took over. I want change. I demand change. Change is coming. This can only be a good thing.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Until further notice Allen is a Head Coach in the NFL. Jackson is not. Enuff said…
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Wow! so was Rich Kotite….Tits needs to leave
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Sorry, but that statement does not make sense.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DJ Johnny..1172 is on the mark.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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STFU moron.
Hue will never ever get another head coaching job.
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job
December 29th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I know we have a bunch of fans on this blog who worry about how we’re perceived by the experts. It gives some here a warm glow when announcers say that “now they’re doing things the RIGHT way”.
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Liar. Show me one post from anyone who said that. Quit making s**t up, moron.
This is your last warning.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
DJ Johnny..1172 is on the mark.
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If his point was JimmyTrapTrap is a total goofball loser, then I concur.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Tomorrow night at this time, half of you posters that hate TP because of his skintone will be begging my forgiveness after TP wins AFC player of the week.
Don’t think you get off the hook easy.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
1172-what a bunch of BS.How often have we won doing it Al’s way in the last 25-30 years?The problem with too many of you is you believe all we have to do is turn on a switch and we will win again.The way we will win again is build the team by upgrading the roster and you can’t do that over night.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
I’d rather lose and straighten cap situation shedding rediculous contracts than lose like we have the past 10years digging a hole contracts wise where we have no options or draft picks
December 29th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Mr Brown if you don’t see any news and the season has been over for you why don’t you do something productive ? Don’t you have a family, demanding profession, loose women to chase or any hobbies or interests ? Just asking. Seems like Seymour plays a huge roll in your life. You should consider how much power you are giving him in your life and how much energy you use on attacks against him. Been witness to it for several years and you have expended considerable energy with zero results. What’s the payoff ? Or are you merely living an emotional “hand to mouth” existence without reflecting at all about your own existence?
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STFU Seymour Oakglen loser. Even the morons on this board know it’s you, you dumbass.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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STFU moron.
Hue will never ever get another head coaching job.
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job
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GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT MESS! Hue did not run or was in control of the defense and you know this. That was all Al and Bresnahan. They should have kept John Marshall.
December 29th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
BabySlash Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Priest just went off on the radio. He’s actually more articulate verbally than on the blog
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Liar. I’ve heard him. He makes a bowl of mush sound articulate. He, on the other hand, slurs his words, runs them together, and makes it clear that southern boys dont be needing no skoolin
December 29th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
We should have kept madden!
December 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Are any of the regulars going to this game? I put off getting tix and will watch from the confines of my living room. About 2 miles from Qualcomm. Usually on Sundays it’s all powder blue, but from what I hear down here in SD is that most of the tix were bought up by Raider fans. Thank you, no blackout!
December 29th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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Until further notice Allen is a Head Coach in the NFL. Jackson is not. Enuff said…
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Wow! so was Rich Kotite….Tits needs to leave
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Sorry, but that statement does not make sense.
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Sure as hell doesnt make sense…who doesnt like Breasts? Never understood that dumbass reference to Dennis Allen.
Breasts are God’s gift to women.
Yeah he sucks as a head coach, fairly good defensively, but he was undermanned alll season – but tits?! W T F?!
December 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
1172-what a bunch of BS.How often have we won doing it Al’s way in the last 25-30 years?The problem with too many of you is you believe all we have to do is turn on a switch and we will win again.The way we will win again is build the team by upgrading the roster and you can’t do that over night.
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Exactly. What I find most fascinating is we fire the coaching staff what seems like every year around here in a futile effort to improve. And there was a reason for that. The players could not be at fault, because the guy who owned the team was also the guy picking the players. So by reason of elimination, it HAD to be the coaches even tho a majority of those coaches went elsewhere and had success.
Now, this season, we had a similar meltdown to the prior ten seasons, which by process of elimination would point to the players, yet most of you want to do the exact same thing that has tanked us time, and time, and time again: change the coaching staff which changes the systems and changes the players and changes everything.
“Fascinating Captain”-Spock
December 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Tomorrow night at this time, half of you posters that hate TP because of his skintone will be begging my forgiveness after TP wins AFC player of the week.
Don’t think you get off the hook easy.
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Let us hope so.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
So, after two years of making hard decisions and cutting big bad contracts, Reggie McKenzie will have reduced the total contract dollars from the previous administration down to just slightly better than what the Seahawks had at the beginning of their rebuild. This should put into perspective exactly how poor the financial situation was (and still is) within the Raiders’ organization. As bad as the Seattle contracts were, the Raiders’ contracts were about 50% worse, compounding the difficulty of the rebuild.
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Somebody here gets it. Its organizational…then the rest of the dysfunction follows..no matter who’s the head coach.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Hey, Chico.! I think you’re younger than me and Mark Davis (No birthdate available, anywhere), but did you hear any stories about Mark’s party’ing days at that fine institute?
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Not one, and honestly never even knew he attended Stanford North (as I call it) until Al passed and did some research.
If so, I would have petitioned to have him speak at the commencement ceremony instead of the dude who wrote A League of their Own.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Just watched the top 10 collapses on NFLN, and the 1986 Raiders were 7th I think.
What was up with Marcus fumbling in OT against the Eagles, and then fumbled on 2 of his first 3 carries against KC week 17?
December 29th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Week 17?I don’t think they had byes in those days.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Did you mean week 15?
December 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Sure as hell doesnt make sense…who doesnt like Breasts? Never understood that dumbass reference to Dennis Allen.
Breasts are God’s gift to women.
Yeah he sucks as a head coach, fairly good defensively, but he was undermanned alll season – but tits?! W T F?!
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Tits are wonderful.
On women.
Not RAIDER HC’s.
I’m guessing you somehow missed noticing that Dumbass Allen has man-boobs.
Tits has tits, and that’s not a joke.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Yeah, no byes your right.
Fumble looked like a night game against the Eagles in OT, and the two fumbles were against the Chiefs last week of the season.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Pat Shurmur for QB Coach!!
December 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Just watched the top 10 collapses on NFLN, and the 1986 Raiders were 7th I think.
What was up with Marcus fumbling in OT against the Eagles, and then fumbled on 2 of his first 3 carries against KC week 17?
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Lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
What do the Raiders do if Carson Palmer is a no-go from here on out? Im voting for a trade for Matt Flynn…i don’t mind being Green Bay West, bring along ex packers Jason Spitz&T.J Lang, Sam Shields
December 29th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
New Years Wishes:
1. DA Please don’t wear that sun visor. Don’t wear the red pen.
2. Please don’t hurt Pryor any worse than Palmer. Ditto for Lineart and esp Lechler.
3. Score one no lets go for it two TDs.
4. Less Flags.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Where’s Okafor projected to be drafted ?
Guessing he made himself some serious coin with the display he put on tonight.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
3/4 of this board are racist POS. You hold a player back because of his color. Fuk you.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Reggie Mc aand DA are super quick to blame players for this piss poor season.
When I worked as a supervisor, one of the first things I learned was I was responsible for the performance of my subordinates. When I became a management/executive, the same applied. I was responsible for the operation of my division. Blaming underlings was not an option nor was it appropriate.
Reggie Mc and DA are piss poor leaders and cowardly excuse makers. Step up and take responsibility. Train and/or discipline individuals who underperform because as the leader you own their performance good or bad.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Sure as hell doesnt make sense…who doesnt like Breasts? Never understood that dumbass reference to Dennis Allen.
Breasts are God’s gift to women.
Yeah he sucks as a head coach, fairly good defensively, but he was undermanned alll season – but tits?! W T F?!
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Tits are wonderful.
On women.
Not RAIDER HC’s.
I’m guessing you somehow missed noticing that Dumbass Allen has man-boobs.
Tits has tits, and that’s not a joke.
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You can’t seem to stop thinking about them.
Can’t blame you. They’re bigger than my wife’s.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an inadequate job, but, as you can see above, Hue did a horrible job
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So if Hue was completely to blame for the defense he wasn’t in charge of, does this mean you blame Allen for the offense he is not in charge of?
Just trying to figure out your train of thought here…
December 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
3/4 of this board are racist POS. You hold a player back because of his color. Fuk you.
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Thank you, you racist piece of schit.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 27th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Didn’t you meet your wife at a “Bowsers-at-the-bar” night, Kell?
You think you can introduce me to a white woman that will work, while I sit at home, doing nothing, like you do Kell?
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Who says I don’t do anything?
December 29th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty assed chin.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Hue Jackson 8-8 Denese 4-11. we always knew we had to be twice as good.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
BREAKING NEWS: The Oakland Raiders football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. The Head coach immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Kind of funny you kissing my ass now, Kell, hoping I’ll bail you out when you open your mouth on this board.
You forget I was going to kick your fatass on our last challenge at Raider Image, where you started whining about you having a cast on. Kicking an old fat ass like yours, while you have on a cast, isn’t an accomplishment.
Lucky for you that you bailed, punk.
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I didn’t bail. You bailed. Along with saying how you’re too old for that stuff. I’m in my 60’s, and out of shape, but I know you’re at least 10 years older. Be careful what you wish for, coward.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
JB Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
BREAKING NEWS: The Oakland Raiders football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. The Head coach immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.
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Lol
December 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:45 pmfji
If TP were white, you people’s would have his schit dripping off your nasty assed chin.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT MESS! Hue did not run or was in control of the defense and you know this. That was all Al and Bresnahan.
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Al Davis passed away and there were what, 11 or 12 games left? Hue Jackson had enough clout to pull off a trade for Carson Palmer, but he couldn’t change the defensive scheme or get in Chuck’s face?
the Head Coach oversees the entire football team. offense, defense & special teams. You can’t say he gets ALL the credit for the offense and NONE of the blame for the defense. that’s just plain ignorant
December 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Here’s a hypothetical. If TP were white you people would be all over him.
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
If TP were white, all these racist azzholes would have his schit dripping off their chins.
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your nasty assed chin.
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Wow.
I am losing it. I posted the same thing, TWICE, yesterday, and now again?
No wonder it sounded familiar.
I am losing it. I posted the same thing yesterday.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
If TP were white, you peeps would have his schit dripping off your nasty assed chin.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Hue was completely to blame for the defense he wasn’t in charge of
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he was in charge of it, along with everything else.
Hue slurpers just don’t like to admit that because it doesn’t look as good on his resume …
December 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Hue Jackson 8-8 Denese 4-11. we always knew we’s always knew we had to be twice as good
December 29th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 24rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Do us all a favor, Kell. Don’t post another picture of your wife, PLEASE?? A brother shouldn’t have to settle for nasty like that. Guess you were getting desperate, considering you were already up there in years when you got married, but why the bottom of the barrel, man?
You embarrass me. You make us look desperate.
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Fuk you. Who cares what you think? She pays the bills. That’s all that matters.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Kell or his troll, whoever that is … needs to get banned for life
adds nothing to this blog. just racist comments and name calling
December 29th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Twocents Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
KOOL KELL has been an attention whore since day 1
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LOL. You are so right.
Want proof, anyone who doubts?
Go look at the last 30 posts or so, from Kell. Without looking I can guarantee you that at least 20 of them are ONE SENTENCE COMMENTS, USUALLY INSULTS, directed at a poster that is not even talking to him.
All designed to get attention.
That’s what attention whores do.
LOOK AT ME. TALK TO ME. WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING ME??
So they toss out an insult, hoping for a reply. Then they say it again, and again.
LIKE YOU DID ON YOUR 3PEAT ABOVE, LOL, KELL.
See, I knew that. Wanted to see if you have the balls to admit you’re a small attention whore.
Borrow your wifes balls, and give it a try.
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Your opinion. You think I care?
December 29th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If Terrele were white, you people would have his cum dripping off your nasty asses chin
December 29th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Kell or his troll, whoever that is … needs to get banned for life
adds nothing to this blog. just racist comments and name calling
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I’ve been cussing you out for years, Podunk. I do what I want.
December 29th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Kell’s troll is a lot like him, actually
December 29th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Hue Jackson 8-8 Dennis 4-11, we always knew we had to be twice as good.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Kell’s troll is a lot like him, actually
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Kiss your boy for me. I’m handling troll business, bro.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Can’t believe I posted this same stuff, 3 times in a row.
I must be retarded.
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
This time last year we were playing for a playoff berth.
If Bresnahan had only put Seymour on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
• KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
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If Bresnahan had only put Tommy Kelly on Megatron instead of Rolando McClain down the stretch. Dreams, dreams.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
I expressed my opinion on the current state of affairs with the Raiders. Rather than just post complaints on this blog, I sent my Raiders Account Manager written notification of my intent to NOT renew my Club level season tickets. Granted, in the scheme of things, my annual $3500 contribution to the Raiders is unlikely to bankrupt them. I feel much better now knowing that I did my part in sending a “fans” message. I can now say that I’ve committed to more than just lip service.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Hue Jackson 8-8 Dennis 4-11, we always knew we had to be twice as good as you people.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I realized something. If my wife were black, she would just be another skinny ugly crackhead.
Instead she’s white trash. Somehow that’s not right.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
If Terrele were white, you people would have his cum dripping off your nasty assed chin
December 29th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Who else can say they live on this board, like I do?
Anyone?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
If Terrele were white, you people would have his cum dripping off your nasty assed chiny chin chin
December 29th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
If the low-budget Saints can make Payton the NFL’s highest paid coach, we can buy out Denise’s deal.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
If Terrele were white, you people would have his cum dripping off your nasty assed chiny chin chin
Wouldn’t you?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
All I know is I came on last night, and you were here every hour, KK. You were even here at 1:30 in the morning. No one else here. Posting to people not even here.
You’re a lonely guy, aren’t you?
trouble on the homefront, obviously.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
KoolKell wannabe, you still here?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
All I know is I came on last night, and you were here every hour, KK. You were even here at 1:30 in the morning. No one else here. Posting to people not even here.
You’re a lonely guy, aren’t you?
trouble on the homefront, obviously.
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Lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hell with all this petty exchanges. Last game of the year is tomorrow. Go fucque yourself KK, and take your childish games somewhere else. Everytime someone tries to have an exchange, you jump in, begging in.
Piss off, chump.
I want to talk Raiders, not Kell’s lonely life.
Any Raider fans here?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
KoolKell wannabe, you still here?
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See what I mean? You’re begging for attention.
Damn, you’re sad.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hell with all this petty exchanges. Last game of the year is tomorrow. Go fucque yourself KK, and take your childish games somewhere else. Everytime someone tries to have an exchange, you jump in, begging in.
Piss off, chump.
I want to talk Raiders, not Kell’s lonely life.
Any Raider fans here?
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Are you here, Btch?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
JB Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
I expressed my opinion on the current state of affairs with the Raiders. Rather than just post complaints on this blog, I sent my Raiders Account Manager written notification of my intent to NOT renew my Club level season tickets. Granted, in the scheme of things, my annual $3500 contribution to the Raiders is unlikely to bankrupt them. I feel much better now knowing that I did my part in sending a “fans” message. I can now say that I’ve committed to more than just lip service.
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$3500? for two seats? Or is that four?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I’ve got 8-10 trolls just standing in line
And ain’t a day pass
I don’t kick 4-5 of em in their no good ass
December 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
One more day left for the tranny.Feels pretty good.See ya Denise.Maybe you can put your training bra on ebay,Im sure one of the three supporters you have left will buy it.Get out!
December 29th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Hell with all this petty exchanges. Last game of the year is tomorrow. Go fucque yourself KK, and take your childish games somewhere else. Everytime someone tries to have an exchange, you jump in, begging in.
Piss off, chump.
I want to talk Raiders, not Kell’s lonely life.
Any Raider fans here?
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Are you here, Btch?
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On occasion. I have a life. I have a wife. I have kids. Heading out to see The Hobbit in 20. don’t have time to live on a blog.
You, on the otherhand, have nothing.
That’s why you are here, begging me to engage you.
Begging anyone to engage you.
Same as last night, it appears. All night long.
and night before.
and night before that.
and before that.
And you’ll be here long after I get back from the movies.
Take your thumb and index finger, KK.
Point thumb diagonal to index.
Put on forehead.
look in mirror.
Yes, exactly. LOSER!! lol
December 29th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Fired with cause!
December 29th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Ok Rockstar, I think it’s safe to come out now.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
One more day left for the tranny.Feels pretty good.See ya Denise.Maybe you can put your training bra on ebay,Im sure one of the three supporters you have left will buy it.Get out!
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Under normal circumstance, DA would get fired. But this isn’t normal. Reggie wants to save face. But he also knows another year of DA could cost him his job as well.
I personally want DA gone.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
The axes are dropping in Cleveland already….any dropping in oaktown on Monday…..?…..Hope it has “KNAPP” on the handle…..
December 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Raider56, who were you posting as yesterday, Btch?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Problem is if Reg fires DA, who would want to come here?
Not exactly a stable situation.
Only thing less stable than a coaching position with the Raiders is Kk’s marriage.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I’ll toss HER out on HER a$$ myself.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Raider56, who were you posting as yesterday, Btch? Me?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Somebody smart enough to not change offensive systems after ranking 9th in the league would be good.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Problem is if Reg fires DA, who would want to come here?
Not exactly a stable situation.
Only thing less stable than a coaching position with the Raiders is Kk’s marriage.
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28 years.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
You wouldn’t make those comments to my face, KK. Guaranteed. Act all tough behind a keyboard. That’s what cowards do. KK= Keyboard Kourage.
See above about thumb and index to forehead, LOSER.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Raider56, nobody, who were you posting as yesterday, Btch? Me?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
You wouldn’t make those comments to my face, KK. Guaranteed. Act all tough behind a keyboard. That’s what cowards do. KK= Keyboard Kourage.
See above about thumb and index to forehead, LOSER.
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I’d spit in your face and dare you to swing, is my MO.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Somebody smart enough to not change offensive systems after ranking 9th in the league would be good.
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Truth Oakfshow….How can Reg not do the math on Krapps history,…
December 29th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Reggie and math?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I said it a few weeks ago, and I am calling it now.
Tom Cable, your next Cleveland Browns HC.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
What was Reg thinking with DA?
What was DA thinking with Knapp?
December 29th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I may be in the minority but I think Tarver was a “FIND” and should be retained…guy has passion, energy,and seems to get the players to play for him….I’d like to see the players true feelings on Krapp….
December 29th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Just Fire-don’t doubt it. Cable had a lot of supporters when he left. Player after player made it very clear they thought it a mistake. Prob the first time Al had that many players question his decision, vocally.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Every year somebody calls me from the Alameda wanting to know if I’m interested in tickets.Most years I buy.After the decision to go with Denise,Knapp and the zoneCOCKING scheme I declined this year.Cant wait for that phone call this year.Hope it is being recorded.Got some nasty sht waiting for that day.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Reggie and math?
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Hahaha…..Yeah I suppose….
December 29th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Raider56 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Problem is if Reg fires DA, who would want to come here?
Not exactly a stable situation.
Only thing less stable than a coaching position with the Raiders is Kk’s marriage.
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28 years.
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LMAO. You are here every day, all day. Every night. All night. Read where you were even here on your anniversary?
On your anniversary you were here posting, instead of being with your wife??
Is that true?
Here at night until 1 am? Most every night?
Friday night, here late. Tonight, you’re here, and will be late.
You do know everyone is laughing at you and your stupid comments about happily married, don’t you?
Ok, here’s the question. Who repulses who the most?
I mean, obviously your wife doesn’t want to be next to you, or she would be.
You don’t want to be next to her, or you would be. At least one night a week? lol. Not even that?
Look really stupid. Say “Oh, she is with me. She’s right next to me all night, every night, waiting for me to get done sitting here, on a blog, all night long”
Then add an LOL and grimace as you know we’re laughing at you, not with you.
Sorry pops but done with you. Movies. Wife. kids. 10 min. Enjoy your Sat. ALONE.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
The Warriors are awesome. Amazing what just settling down with some defined roles for a team will do. Especially since we traded Monta and Udoh for basically nothing.
Also, sticking with a young HC. Mark Jackson took a team 10 games under .500, to 20 games under .500 (in a shortened season to boot) and now the “system” is in place and humming along.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Packers, Ravens, Skins, Seattle, Houston all playoff tems that run the ZBS exclusively.
Might have an all ZBS Super Bowl!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Post on a couple of other boards. Lots of talk of people not wanting to renew tkts.
Not good sign.
Later Nation. Go Terrell.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Later, cross posting coward
December 29th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
JB Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
BREAKING NEWS: The Oakland Raiders football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. The Head coach immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.
This is funny shvt fo sho!!
December 29th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
1279.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Packers, Ravens, Skins, Seattle, Houston all playoff tems that run the ZBS exclusively.
Might have an all ZBS Super Bowl!!!!
I dont give a FK about other teams.Thats not our game and never has been. New England vs SAnFran in superbowl after they put the zoneCOCKING teams to rest.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Now, the Warriors.. Who the hell are those guys, never heard of most of them.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Funny 2 years of zone scheme with Cable,not a sniff of the playoffs.Change system with Hue and 1 play away from playoffs.Go back to zone this year and well,you know the rest.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I’m not saying the scheme is bad…its the atrocious play-caller,…..He needs to be stripped of plays,calls,and US citizenship….
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Allen is confident that there will be more wins next season.
“There’s been a lot of change,” he said. “When there is a lot of change, sometimes you don’t get the results that you’re looking for right away. But when you believe in something, and you stick to it and you know it’s the right plan, it ends up working out.”
Change for the worse. This tells me Allen plans to change nothing and it also explains why he has not made any real adjustments. He is not a coach This will not work. Allen needs to be FIRED ASAP!
Raiders had like the #5 or 6 Oline last year and DMAC was leading the NFL in rushing before he got hurt then they “changed” back to zone blocking..DUMB! DA should be fired just for doing that.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
It’s not the scheme. It’s the players trying to execute the scheme.
December 29th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I may be in the minority but I think Tarver was a “FIND” and should be retained…guy has passion, energy,and seems to get the players to play for him….I’d like to see the players true feelings on Krapp….
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Count me in the minority then. Wait. Does that mean that I get to call anyone that doesn’t agree with me racist now?
But I don’t see Tarver as a stand alone gem. Allen found him and brought him over. Allen had to have a lot of say in what kind of defense he wanted to run and had to have a DC that shared his philosophy. Allen gets some of the credit here as well.
Whether it was Tarver, Allen or both, I agree that they are finishing the year strong. Let’s look at what they needed to get over to get here:
- Lost both starting CBs seemingly seconds into the season. Had to go through a range of scrap heap guys to find the right mix.
- Found out that Seymour is physically done and not the force he used to be. Had to come up with a combo of different players and whatever tricks to get the interior DL play back up to where it needed to be.
- Had to work through McClain’s drama to finally prove that his butt needed to be benched and replaced with lesser pedigreed players.
- More juggling of backup caliber players in the safety as they needed to move Huff to CB and find some combo to work at safeties and for nickel.
They also have to get some credit for personnel selection. Can’t see them not being part of the process that identified Wheeler as the right FA for their system, Burris and Bilikoti as a good value picks, and possibly guys like Ross, Hanson, Lee, Adams as people to plug into the system.
I’m optimistic for the future on the D side of the ball at least. It still to be seen how much Allen will push on the offensive side. I still think that they are only a DMac release or trade (wishful thinking that they could find a partner for his contract) away from the freedom to plug lesser named but more productive ZBS RBs in and step the running game up significantly. In my mind, all that the offense needs is better fitting RBs, an upgrade at maybe one spot on the OL, and stepping up from one of DHB, Moore or Ford as poor man’s #1 or the signing of one if they can’t and then further development from Streater and Criner to give a good mix of targets. Of course better play calling from the OC wouldn’t hurt either
December 29th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
It’s not the scheme. It’s the players trying to execute the scheme.
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Knapp’s “Scheme” NEVER worked. It’s the scheme
December 29th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Have to admit, I’m split on keeping or firing DA.
Yeah, he didn’t impress, but it was his first year. I’ve seen a lot of successful coaches have mediocre to bad first years. Not saying DA isn’t a project, just saying like every first year coach, he’ll learn.
Kind a worried we might sign another first year coach, who goes through the same thing DA did. Have to stop the cycle somewhere.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Funny 2 years of zone scheme with Cable,not a sniff of the playoffs.Change system with Hue and 1 play away from playoffs.Go back to zone this year and well,you know the rest.
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Funny how Cable and that same ZBS scheme (that Knapp originally installed) in Seattle are playoff bound as well. Not 1 play away either.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
RaidO Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
It’s not the scheme. It’s the players trying to execute the scheme.
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Knapp’s “Scheme” NEVER worked. It’s the scheme
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Not true. Lots of plays broken down showed players missing assignments, rookies running wrong routes, or penalties that stopped the O.
Not saying he did an even average job, just saying we will be in for a shock if the only thing that changed was the guy calling the plays.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Funny 2 years of zone scheme with Cable,not a sniff of the playoffs.Change system with Hue and 1 play away from playoffs.Go back to zone this year and well,you know the rest.
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Funny how Cable and that same ZBS scheme (that Knapp originally installed) in Seattle are playoff bound as well. Not 1 play away either.
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DMAC is/was a feature RB that was leading the NFL in rushing last year. You adjust your scheme to fit your players. You don’t “FORCE” your scheme on players. Coaching 101
December 29th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
When you insist on throwing behind the sticks…………..it really doesn’t matter
December 29th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
RaidO Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
It’s not the scheme. It’s the players trying to execute the scheme.
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Knapp’s “Scheme” NEVER worked. It’s the scheme
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Not true. Lots of plays broken down showed players missing assignments, rookies running wrong routes, or penalties that stopped the O.
Not saying he did an even average job, just saying we will be in for a shock if the only thing that changed was the guy calling the plays.
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Oh please do not try and defend Knapp. He has a long history of failure.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
RaidO Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Funny 2 years of zone scheme with Cable,not a sniff of the playoffs.Change system with Hue and 1 play away from playoffs.Go back to zone this year and well,you know the rest.
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Funny how Cable and that same ZBS scheme (that Knapp originally installed) in Seattle are playoff bound as well. Not 1 play away either.
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DMAC is/was a feature RB that was leading the NFL in rushing last year. You adjust your scheme to fit your players. You don’t “FORCE” your scheme on players. Coaching 101
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Exactly!
Forcing square pegs into round holes is NOT the way to go.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RaidO Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Allen is confident that there will be more wins next season.
“There’s been a lot of change,” he said. “When there is a lot of change, sometimes you don’t get the results that you’re looking for right away. But when you believe in something, and you stick to it and you know it’s the right plan, it ends up working out.”
Change for the worse. This tells me Allen plans to change nothing and it also explains why he has not made any real adjustments. He is not a coach This will not work. Allen needs to be FIRED ASAP!
Raiders had like the #5 or 6 Oline last year and DMAC was leading the NFL in rushing before he got hurt then they “changed” back to zone blocking..DUMB! DA should be fired just for doing that.
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Yep and just for hiring Knapp as OC, he should be fired!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Raiders had the #5 Oline last year.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I may be in the minority but I think Tarver was a “FIND” and should be retained…guy has passion, energy,and seems to get the players to play for him….I’d like to see the players true feelings on Krapp….
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Count me in the minority then. Wait. Does that mean that I get to call anyone that doesn’t agree with me racist now?
But I don’t see Tarver as a stand alone gem. Allen found him and brought him over. Allen had to have a lot of say in what kind of defense he wanted to run and had to have a DC that shared his philosophy. Allen gets some of the credit here as well.
Whether it was Tarver, Allen or both, I agree that they are finishing the year strong. Let’s look at what they needed to get over to get here:
- Lost both starting CBs seemingly seconds into the season. Had to go through a range of scrap heap guys to find the right mix.
- Found out that Seymour is physically done and not the force he used to be. Had to come up with a combo of different players and whatever tricks to get the interior DL play back up to where it needed to be.
- Had to work through McClain’s drama to finally prove that his butt needed to be benched and replaced with lesser pedigreed players.
- More juggling of backup caliber players in the safety as they needed to move Huff to CB and find some combo to work at safeties and for nickel.
They also have to get some credit for personnel selection. Can’t see them not being part of the process that identified Wheeler as the right FA for their system, Burris and Bilikoti as a good value picks, and possibly guys like Ross, Hanson, Lee, Adams as people to plug into the system.
I’m optimistic for the future on the D side of the ball at least. It still to be seen how much Allen will push on the offensive side. I still think that they are only a DMac release or trade (wishful thinking that they could find a partner for his contract) away from the freedom to plug lesser named but more productive ZBS RBs in and step the running game up significantly. In my mind, all that the offense needs is better fitting RBs, an upgrade at maybe one spot on the OL, and stepping up from one of DHB, Moore or Ford as poor man’s #1 or the signing of one if they can’t and then further development from Streater and Criner to give a good mix of targets. Of course better play calling from the OC wouldn’t hurt either
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ZMURGE…you are spot on with your analysis….True on all that….DMAC has trade value and needs to go….I have no problem getting rid of branch and huff too…Give me Vaccarro and Duke Williams all day…also….Lamarr houston can either lose or gain weight and be a force inside or out…
December 29th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
The question is ….are we staying with a 4-3 or going more 3-4 for next year….then we can apply personnel
December 29th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RaidO Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Funny 2 years of zone scheme with Cable,not a sniff of the playoffs.Change system with Hue and 1 play away from playoffs.Go back to zone this year and well,you know the rest.
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Funny how Cable and that same ZBS scheme (that Knapp originally installed) in Seattle are playoff bound as well. Not 1 play away either.
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DMAC is/was a feature RB that was leading the NFL in rushing last year. You adjust your scheme to fit your players. You don’t “FORCE” your scheme on players. Coaching 101
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Perhaps that’s what YOU do if you are short sighted and working around one specific player. However, the Raiders are long sighted and trying to win through the decade, not in 2012. So why build around ONE player that is over priced and not long for the roster when you have more guys that fit a system that you want to have in place for the long haul?
Yes, they could’ve gone more PBS and had a more productive DMac, and then what? This team didn’t have problem putting up yards, they just did it through the air instead of on the ground. So DMac would have a better season until his inevitible injury, the defense would’ve still been a sieve and been giving up 40+ per game during their bad stretch, and the record would be the same.
And then in 2013 DMac would still be cut due to his salary exceeding his value and now they’d have a team no closer to the system that they want to have for the long haul — that same system that many of the playoff teams will be using.
Why you can’t get over the fact that 2012 was a throwaway rebuilding year when the record is meaningless, I don’t know. At some point the debts had to be paid on all the cap damage and Al manipulations, and this is it. Who gives a flying fork if that meant DMac didn’t get his yards?
Name one, just ONE playoff team this season that didn’t go through a pretty dark era within the last 10 years. You’ll see that in order to build a strong, multi-year competitive team, you occassionally need to have a bad year or two dedicated to house cleaning in order to get there. That’s what the cap era has brought to the NFL.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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STFU moron.
Hue will never ever get another head coaching job.
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an
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All that and he STILL had this team one game away from playoffs! Remarkable!
DA will NEVER get this team that close to the playoffs!
I guarantee that!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
JB Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
BREAKING NEWS: The Oakland Raiders football practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field. The Head coach immediately suspended practice and called the police and federal investigators. After a complete analysis, FBI forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the GOAL LINE. Practice resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again this season.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
Was Jano trying to snort the white substance on the Field?
Keep Jano away from the white lines.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
DA can’t carry Hue’s jock!
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STFU moron.
Hue will never ever get another head coaching job.
Stop the We Miss Hue whine. Hue is gone, and should stay gone. Anyone who says otherwise didn’t pay attention last year.
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
-Raiders started season 7-4, only to lose 4 of the last 5 games. Just one win in there would have put us in the playoffs. That is on the coaches. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Hue said he was going to build a bully. He couldn’t build a box with lego’s if you spotted him 3 sides. Under Hue in charge, the Raiders committed 163 penalties. AN NFL RECORD. For 1,358 yds. ANOTHER NFL RECORD. Not only did Hue not instill discipline, the team got worse. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 31 TD passes. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 5.1 yds per carry, on defense. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 4,262 yds passing. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 6,201 total yards. A FRANCHISE WORST RECORD. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, gave up 433 pts. the 3RD WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, was one of only 4 TEAMS, IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL, TO GIVE UP AT LEAST 30 TD PASSES, AND AT LEAST 5.0 YARDS PER CARRY. Two of those teams were the ‘50 Colts and the ‘52 Texans. FAIL. Bye Hue.
-Raiders, under Hue, became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season. FAIL Bye Hue.
Forget Hue acting like a total idiot, and prima donna, demanding more control. Or him throwing the team under the bus, after stating all along he deserved all the blame. He got fired because he didn’t just do an
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All that and he STILL had this team one game away from playoffs! Remarkable!
DA will NEVER get this team that close to the playoffs!
I guarantee that!
So you shut your dumbazz up!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Hue took over Cable’s 8-8 team. Yes, Hue finished at 8-8 but only because of a monumental collapse at the end of the year, that should not have happened.
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To be Fair, Hue was responsible for our offense which was the reason behind Cable’s 8-8 season. Cable was 5-11 before we hired Hue.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
#1305 exactly
December 29th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
very interesting read… notice Hue Jackson and stuff on Raiders…
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–five-nfl-coaches-most-likely-to-get-fired-and-their-potential-replacements
While eight NFL sources told Yahoo! Sports that the league’s annual firing spree will likely result in six to eight head coaches losing their jobs at season’s end, at least 13 jobs appear to be in some state of discussion. In addition, another six general manager jobs are also in flux.
Here’s a rundown of what could happen come as early as Monday, along with potential replacements for the most likely fired coaches.
Most likely changes
Norv Turner is 55-40 in six seasons with San Diego. (AP)1. San Diego Chargers – A year after Norv Turner was kept over the objections of the Chargers fan base, his reign as coach appears to be down to a matter of hours. Turner will end up somewhere as an offensive coordinator, but his career as a head coach is likely done.
Possible replacements – Andy Reid (Eagles head coach), Bruce Arians (Colts offensive coordinator), Hue Jackson (Bengals assistant), Jim Caldwell (Ravens offensive coordinator).
2. Kansas City Chiefs – Romeo Crennel deserves a medal for what he has been through this season, particularly the murder-suicide involving Jovan Belcher. Sadly, his work as head coach fell far short of acceptable.
Possible replacements – Bruce Arians, Jim Caldwell, Ray Horton (Cardinals defensive coordinator), Jay Gruden (Bengals offensive coordinator), Kyle Shanahan (Redskins offensive coordinator), Brian Schottenheimer (Rams offensive coordinator).
3. Philadelphia Eagles – Andy Reid’s 14-year run as head coach is coming to an end with the worst season of his career. This comes following the personal tragedy of losing his son to an accidental drug overdose before the season. Reid should take a break, but he desperately wants to coach again.
Possible replacements – Chip Kelly (Oregon coach), Jon Gruden (broadcaster, former NFL coach), Jay Gruden, Hue Jackson.
Pat Shurmur is in his second year with the Browns. (AP)4. Cleveland Browns – New team president Joe Banner is expected to do a full overhaul of the football operations, starting with coach Pat Shurmur and extending to general manager Tom Heckert. The breaking point is that Banner looked at the team’s failure to trade up for Robert Griffin III and the reasoning for it.
Possible replacements – Josh McDaniels (Patriots offensive coordinator), Chip Kelly, Nick Saban (Alabama coach), Ray Horton.
5. Buffalo Bills – Give coach Chan Gailey credit for being loyal to defensive coordinator Dave Wannstedt, who a decade ago gave Gailey a coordinator job in Miami. However, that loyalty may have led to Gailey’s undoing in a year when the Bills were expected to compete for a title. That, and not being good enough at quarterback.
Possible replacements – Jay Gruden, Kyle Shanahan, Mike McCoy (Broncos offensive coordinator), Bruce Arians, Perry Fewell (Giants defensive coordinator), Jim Caldwell.
Pretty strong bets to go
6. Arizona Cardinals – The question is whether coach Ken Whisenhunt has completely lost the team (as it appears). Throw on top of that a really bad quarterbacking situation and you have plenty of justification for change … if ownership is willing to eat Whisenhunt’s salary.
7. Jacksonville Jaguars – It may be unfair to give a coach only one year, but Mike Mularkey hasn’t done much to energize the Jaguars or the fans. The team’s inability to develop second-year quarterback Blaine Gabbert before his injury is damning. Couple that will a likely change at general manager and you have a recipe for a quick exit.
[More: Black offensive assistants face roadblocks to become NFL head coaches]
8. Tennessee Titans – When your owner calls one loss this season the worst he has witnessed in 50-plus years and says he then turns off the TV while watching the most recent game, that’s not good. Only coach Mike Munchak’s long history with the team may save him for another season.
Still a chance they could go
Dennis Allen with Raiders defender Lamarr Houston. (Getty Images)9. Oakland Raiders – According to one source, owner Mark Davis and GM Reggie McKenzie were talking to confidants as recently as the past week about what to do with first-year coach Dennis Allen, who has done little or nothing to inspire confidence. More proof that the Raiders should have stuck with Hue Jackson.
10. New York Jets – All indications are that Rex Ryan is going to survive for another season, although there are probably going to be a lot of changes around him (GM, offensive coordinator and maybe even quarterback). But if owner Woody Johnson gets the urge, the purge could be complete.
11. Carolina Panthers – Whenever a GM is going to be replaced (the Panthers fired Marty Hurney in-season), there is automatic speculation about the head coach. However, it appears that coach Ron Rivera is safe right now.
12. Detroit Lions – Between his contract extension through 2015 and the Lions’ abysmal history before he took over, coach Jim Schwartz appears to be safe. However, he definitely needs to change the attitude and approach of his team, which has too many problem children.
13. Chicago Bears – The Bears are an exceptionally conservative team and it’s unlikely that coach Lovie Smith will be let go after a winning season. That said, the constant changes at offensive coordinator and the underperformance of quarterback Jay Cutler are starting to trace to Smith.
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Great article!
Here you go you dumbazz Hue haters!
December 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
The Warriors play good defense and rebound . What the hell is going on?l
December 29th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
DMAC is/was a feature RB that was leading the NFL in rushing last year.
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D-Mac’s best season in 2010 was behind Cable’s O-line.
Yes, Cable’s O-line. Remember when Hue took over, he talked about switching to a more power blocking scheme?
So what was he switching from? Cable’s dominant 2010 ZBS system.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Fugg cable if he gets a job he better give his entire salary to my boy RUSSEL WILSON.
Was anybody singing cables praises last year? Answer no.
Wilson & lynch made cable remember that
December 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
The Warriors play good defense and rebound . What the hell is going on?l
They are just Good!
When the Raiders turn around………………oooooh schit.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Raiders had the #5 Oline last year.
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You always cite this stat, which is based solely on sacks allowed.
Which thus means we are the #8 ranked O-line this season.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&season=2012&seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&conference=ALL&d-447263-s=PASSING_SACKED#
December 29th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I remember Cable asking DMAC what he likes. Beautiful.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Dmacs best season? Lol last year he was on pace to smash his career marks but got hurt.
Cable is garbage & should never call plays or hc is record was 17-27 for god sakes .
Oh wait this is the same group that says palmers 8-17 37 turnovers is also good.
This place is bizarro world
December 29th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Wilson & lynch made cable remember that
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Funny because Lynch credits Tom Cable for his success. But I am sure you know more than him.
http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-1/Finding-his-fit/43d63f69-b34c-4aaf-af55-9cf406e78656
December 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
JFB, if TP were white, you have his schit dripping of your chin, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Dmacs best season? Lol last year he was on pace to smash his career marks but got hurt.
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You know, I just checked his stats, and believe or not, yes 2010 was his best season.
Staying healthy is kind of important you know.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
KK, you’ve posted that like 25 times today.
You sure your chin is clean?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
McFadden 2010 = 128 yards per game
McFadden 2011(taking away the Chiefs game) = 127 yards per game; 108 p/g including
FACTS
December 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Mistic1, Saw you in here man. Just wanted to give you some props on those insanely accurate predictions man. Much Kudos to ya’. No matter what they say in here. You are in their heads bigtime.
Keep up the good work bruh.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Jfb I know you have a man crush on Barney rubble but lynch giving praise to cable means nothing. Vernon davis loved singletary mike white & joe bugel had supporters too.
Cable 17-27
What argument can be made to defend this loser?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Lol last year he was on pace to smash his career marks but got hurt.
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More Mistic lies to fit his agenda.
“Smash” his career marks, lol
He was on pace to have about 70 yards more rushing, but not close to his career mark in recieving, TD’s dead even.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
KK, you’ve posted that like 25 times today.
You sure your chin is clean?
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Lol. But you would have his schit on your chin though, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
What argument can be made to defend this loser?
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He took a losing Raider team to .500, unbeaten in his divison.
It has been all downhill for us since we fired him. We haven’t improved one bit since, and have fallen off the map in our division.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Priest set the dvr Pryor is going to embarrass Allen & these know nothing haters.
Lol on my predictions, any body that knows anything about football could have seen them coming. It’s up to us to educate these fools.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cable 17-27
What argument can be made to defend this loser?
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Take away that 8-8 season with Hue, and he is 9-19.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Was he on pace to beat his own best rushing yards? Yes
Was he ever considered one of the best rbs in the nfl under cable? No
Who was running the offense in 2010? Hu jack
Why are you so easily defeated? You suck
December 29th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Your predictions, Mistic?
While I hope Pryor does well, because after all he is qb’ng my team tomorrow, I hope you’re not saying he’s in for any other reason except an injury by another qb, and a total faceplant by the 2nd qb?
Pryor didn’t earn it. Leinart lost it. Didn’t matter who was 3rd, they were starting tomorrow.
You really need help figuring that out?
Or is this just a total race thing with you?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Cable
09: 4-8
10: 5-11
11: 8-8 with Hue’s help
12: 8-8 with Hue as HC
I’m giving the credit to Hue.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Take away Jamarcus Russell starts, and Tom Cable had a winning record.
Something no Raider coach can say since Jon Gruden.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Cross posters are pathetic, and should be watched by the Govt.
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Trust me without russel Wilson the Seahawks & car would be nowhere ask Tavares Jackson & Charlie whitehurst
December 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Your predictions, Mistic?
While I hope Pryor does well, because after all he is qb’ng my team tomorrow, I hope you’re not saying he’s in for any other reason except an injury by another qb, and a total faceplant by the 2nd qb?
Pryor didn’t earn it. Leinart lost it. Didn’t matter who was 3rd, they were starting tomorrow.
You really need help figuring that out?
Or is this just a total race thing with you?
December 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Priest set the dvr Pryor is going to embarrass Allen & these know nothing haters.
Lol on my predictions, any body that knows anything about football could have seen them coming. It’s up to us to educate these fools.
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You mean such as your prediction that Leinhart will outplay Pryor tomorrow?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Take away Jamarcus Russell starts, and Tom Cable had a winning record.
Something no Raider coach can say since Jon Gruden.
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Speaking of hypotheticals, if TP were white, you’d be reaching in my trousers, yes?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Was he on pace to beat his own best rushing yards? Yes
Was he ever considered one of the best rbs in the nfl under cable? No
Who was running the offense in 2010? Hu jack
Why are you so easily defeated? You suck
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Rushing yards, barely, total yards no. Or do those not count?
Was he considered one of the best RB’s under Cable? He isn’t one of the best RB’s, so of course not.
Who ran the blocking scheme in 2010? Cable
Why are you so childish? Who knows
December 29th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
You Knapp fans ready to see how he calls plays with TP under center?
Should be interesting. How wonder how many zone read option QB plays he will call for TP? I wonder how many roll outs he will call and how many bootlegs and how many pass plays he calls to move TP out of the pocket to buy time?
haha…Crappy Knappy….
December 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Trust me without russel Wilson the Seahawks & car would be nowhere ask Tavares Jackson & Charlie whitehurst
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True!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Gdog Law: When Mistic/KoolKell are in the house the chances of intelligent debate = zero. IQ vacuums the both of them.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I love the “he was an elite back” for 5 games arguement.
You know who lead the NFL in rushing through 5 games this year? CJ Spiller
Is he “elite”?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Did Palmer earn the job?
Pryor has earned this start by being the first one in & last to leave & making plays in limited practice reps & game day.
Why Take that away from him?
Did lienart earn his chance last week?
Are you a hater / Palmer worshiper?
Give it up he is toast
December 29th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
What argument can be made to defend this loser?
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He took a losing Raider team to .500, unbeaten in his divison.
It has been all downhill for us since we fired him. We haven’t improved one bit since, and have fallen off the map in our division.
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Yep. Old man Al should have kept Cable and Hue and Marshall around for at least one more year.
I think the old man Al was worried some team would hire Hue as a HC and Al realized how important Hue was to the offense.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Steve Sarkisian as NFL HC candidate on PFT
December 29th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Gdog Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Gdog Law: When Mistic/KoolKell are in the house the chances of intelligent debate = zero. IQ vacuums the both of them.
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If TP were white, you’d have his schit dripping down your nasty-azzed chin, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I think the old man Al was worried some team would hire Hue as a HC and Al realized how important Hue was to the offense.
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Another swing and miss by Al then.
Hue didn’t even make it to the token round of interviews for the Rooney rule.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Raiders owner Al Davis circled back to Sarkisian in 2007 and offered him the head coaching job after a 2-14 season with Art Shell at the helm. Sarkisian declined and chose to remain at USC. The Raiders hired fellow USC assistant Lane Kiffin instead.
“Being a head coach in the National Football League, there’s only 32 of them in the world,” Sarkisian said in 2011, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. “In a lot of ways, that’s the pinnacle of our profession. So when you have to make those tough decisions, you have to look at them all individually and take the face off of it, and take the jerseys off of it. … So when the opportunity came, I had to try to remove the emotion of I-get-to-go-coach-the-Oakland-Raiders and is this the best thing for my family? For myself, for my family and for our careers as we move forward? And I just didn’t feel like it was the right time to be taking that job.”
Sarkisian also turned down a chance to interview with the St. Louis Rams last season.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Did Palmer earn the job?
Pryor has earned this start by being the first one in & last to leave & making plays in limited practice reps & game day.
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How do you know TP showed up before and left after Palmer did?
More made-up fairy tales from you.
Can you go 30 minutes without bold-faced lying?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Lol band of idiots are back
Do I need to post my predictions for the millionth time
I see people now questioning or upset about the predictions I made?!?!
Lmao!!!! Don’t shoot the mesenger
December 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
DMAC is/was a feature RB that was leading the NFL in rushing last year.
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D-Mac’s best season in 2010 was behind Cable’s O-line.
Yes, Cable’s O-line. Remember when Hue took over, he talked about switching to a more power blocking scheme?
So what was he switching from? Cable’s dominant 2010 ZBS system.
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Hue implemented more power to the blocking scheme in 2010 and Cables ZBS was only compliment to the power scheme Hue added.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
It doesn’t matter how TP got it thhey didn’t have to give to him Leinart had a faceplant in preseason yet got the backup role. Everyone knows this staff never wanted Pryor to see significant action. They just could stomach another down from Leinart. Not to mention Mark Davis making sure this would get done.
As far as TP earning this he did that in preseason it’s just he was being coached by Mutt & Jeff. They were terrified of this kids crowd pleasing exciting style of play. It would’ve upset the applecart……….period
December 29th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Sarkisian has also said that his time with the Raiders left him with a fairly unsavory taste in his mouth.
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December 29th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Raiders owner Al Davis circled back to Sarkisian in 2007 and offered him the head coaching job after a 2-14 season with Art Shell at the helm. Sarkisian declined and chose to remain at USC. The Raiders hired fellow USC assistant Lane Kiffin instead.
“Being a head coach in the National Football League, there’s only 32 of them in the world,” Sarkisian said in 2011, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. “In a lot of ways, that’s the pinnacle of our profession. So when you have to make those tough decisions, you have to look at them all individually and take the face off of it, and take the jerseys off of it. … So when the opportunity came, I had to try to remove the emotion of I-get-to-go-coach-the-Oakland-Raiders and is this the best thing for my family? For myself, for my family and for our careers as we move forward? And I just didn’t feel like it was the right time to be taking that job.”
Sarkisian also turned down a chance to interview with the St. Louis Rams last season.
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Sarkisian realized he would have been in over his head had he took the gig.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Jfb I’m taking Pryor at his word he said he is ” the first In & last to leave”
Accuse him of lying not me for repeating it.
Besides I’m local & know a couple in the know of people that have also said this
December 29th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Did Palmer earn the job?
answer: matter of fact, yeah. Both Leinart and Pryor have stated numerous times they are not even close to Palmers level. Why does that bother you?
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Pryor has earned this start by being the first one in & last to leave & making plays in limited practice reps & game day.
answer: No he hasn’t. He got the start because the backup qb, who started the previous game, showed the organization he’s not worth keeping. Now Pryor, being 3rd, gets his shot. It’s what teams do this time of year. Why twist it?
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Why Take that away from him?
answer: Why make bold statements like you knew it all along, and now you’re educating us? That’s an ignorant statement, which I have no doubt you are aware of. Took nothing away from him. Took it away from you.
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Did lienart earn his chance last week?
answer: of course he did. If Pryor was better, which even he admitted he’s got a ways to go, he would be the backup qb. Was he the backup qb? No. Save your rants about reps, etc. Fact is Leinart blew his shot, and now Pryor gets his. Pretty simple math.
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Are you a hater / Palmer worshiper?
answer: again, stop with twisting things. Obviously my comment says nothing about Palmer. It’s about you thumping your chest, saying you knew all along. Facts are you didn’t know anything, now, did you? Facts are if Leinart had lit it up last week, and we would have won, Leinart would be starting, but I certainly would expect Pryor gets a series or two, or even a quarter, because, again, that’s what teams in our situation do, in the last game of a lost season. again, simple math.
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Give it up he is toast
answer: who is toast? Are you confusing me with someone else?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Do I need to post my predictions for the millionth time
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Yes, can you tell us about Jerrod Johnson’s NFL future, Troy Smith as one of the founding fathers of the wave of the future, Bruce Gradkowski never making an NFL roster again, Hue Jackson and Jason Cambpell in “lock-step”, not being “sold on Terrelle Pryor”, Cam Newton a top 5 QB, Matt Ryan not being better than Jason Campbell, and Joe Webb starting ahead of Christian Ponder, again?
Your like a degenerate gambler, always talking about the wins, and forgetting all the losses.
Don’t worry though, the casino remembers them all.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Re: first one in, last to leave?
I have a sign up that says “It’s not the amount of hours you put in, it’s what you do with those hours.”
I’m not going to dispute if someone says “first in, last out” because I’ve heard that far too many times. Yeah, they did come in first, here and there. Left last, here and there. it’s a cliche’ that is abused, in my opinion.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
Besides I’m local & know a couple in the know of people that have also said this
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Believe this. Miss Tick told us of the cell phone street cred rules on the mean streets of Oaktown.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Didn’t you, miss?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Ghost that’s weak.
If you earned a roster spot you have earned any playing time you receive, injuries or demotions included.
Lol don’t be upset Pryor is playing. Your free worship Palmer ghost
December 29th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
It doesn’t matter how TP got it thhey didn’t have to give to him Leinart had a faceplant in preseason yet got the backup role. Everyone knows this staff never wanted Pryor to see significant action. They just could stomach another down from Leinart. Not to mention Mark Davis making sure this would get done.
As far as TP earning this he did that in preseason it’s just he was being coached by Mutt & Jeff. They were terrified of this kids crowd pleasing exciting style of play. It would’ve upset the applecart……….period
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Bizarro post.
Discussing logic out with you?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
I hope TP is the first one to show up and the last to leave.
That’s what every starting QB is asked to do, anything less is unacceptable.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Miss?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Where is the TP quote BTW?
Not doubting it, just not in any of the threads.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Cell phone street cred? Miss Tick? Remember? Should I dig it up? Miss?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
But right now, I’m just working hard, staying late and trying to be the first one in and being the best that I can. That’s all you can control in the NFL.”
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OK, “staying late” and “trying” to be the first one in.
Nice stretch Mistic, lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Where is the TP quote BTW?
Not doubting it, just not in any of the threads.
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If TP were white, you wouldn’t be questioning his character, you’d have his schit dripping off your chin, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
WWrong again Mistic.
I broke your comment down, and all you could come up with was 1360? Why even post?
And your “don’t be upset Pryor is playing”?
Are you a child?
Anyone reading my post, and yours immediately views you as a petulant little whiney child.
Could care less about your twisting words. Means you just faceplanted. Means you just got reamed. Means you know your comment was rejected.
You don’t do well in debates, I can tell. Feel free not to reply.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Jfb,
You are a bitter loser. When I touted Johnson he was a first round prospect, torn labrum derailed his career. I said Troy smith was better than Alex & he was scale goated in the singletary debacle.
I was right about jc he beat grads & took us to first place.
Hu jack wa my guy, but being a gm was too much for him .
Newton Wilson RGIII own you
December 29th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Jfb I’m taking Pryor at his word he said he is ” the first In & last to leave”
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Putting it in quotes, but not quoting the man.
Pretty pathetic display Mistic, even for you.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
But right now, I’m just working hard, staying late and trying to be the first one in and being the best that I can. That’s all you can control in the NFL.”
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OK, “staying late” and “trying” to be the first one in.
Nice stretch Mistic, lol.
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That was Pryors comment?
People who twist that the way Mistic just did knows full well he’s out of ammo, and has nothing.
I have a feeling most here already were aware of that.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Lol ghost to the cross post
Upset because I made predictions that came true & Palmer is a disaster.
Lol my work here is done
December 29th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Johnson was benched before he got hurt.
Lies, all damn day from you
December 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Pryor is coming in early & staying late. He said first & last
Take it up with him if you think he is a liar
I hope he plays well so you haters can have that for your off season to suck on
Lol peace
December 29th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Cell phone street cred? Miss Tick? Remember? Should I dig it up? Miss?
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I remember the cell phone st cred. What was that? Remember seriously laughing at how someone wasn’t from Oakland because the street cred would never text something?
Fuzzy. If you recall, I can use the laugh.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I said Troy smith was better than Alex & he was scale goated in the singletary debacle.
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Excuses, of the degenerate gambler.
Sounds like, “I had him beat, and he flopped the flush draw on the river”.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Sarkisian has also said that his time with the Raiders left him with a fairly unsavory taste in his mouth.
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Wonder if he means he also was wined and dined with cold cheese burgers and KFC?
Were you responsible for this too Priestt 
December 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Jfb that is a lie Johnson tried to play through the injury then he was benched & had surgery.
Lol you don’t know because you hadn’t watched.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Pryor is coming in early & staying late. He said first & last
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No he didn’t.
Said he was staying late, nothing about being the latest and trying to be first, which if you were being first, you wouldn’t say trying.
Kid is working hard, not at all ripping the young man.
Just ripping you for lying, blatantly right now. Even putting it in quotes, lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
You’re losing face, credibility, and you’re starting to come across as rather pathetic, Mistic.
After your wrong, twisting it to make it racial doesn’t help you walk away with your head up. It tells everyone, loud and clear, that you were wrong, but you don’t have the maturity to state it.
Hm. Guess that whiney kid take from me was closer to the truth than I thought.
Ok, you may go now.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Jfb that is a lie Johnson tried to play through the injury then he was benched & had surgery.
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I pushed this guy all in, and he called like an idiot but hit his third 9 on the river.
What can you do right?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Ghost you are an obvious cross poster
Try changing you writing style
December 29th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Pryor is coming in early & staying late. He said first & last
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No he didn’t.
Said he was staying late, nothing about being the latest and trying to be first, which if you were being first, you wouldn’t say trying.
Kid is working hard, not at all ripping the young man.
Just ripping you for lying, blatantly right now. Even putting it in quotes, lol.
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Haters are going to hate, semantics aside.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Pryor is coming in early & staying late. He said first & last
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No he didn’t.
Said he was staying late, nothing about being the latest and trying to be first, which if you were being first, you wouldn’t say trying.
Kid is working hard, not at all ripping the young man.
Just ripping you for lying, blatantly right now. Even putting it in quotes, lol.
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Pretty much sums it up, in my opinion.
I want Pryor to kick ass.
And it’s clear everyone is enjoying kicking yours, Mistic.
Slow people always have their words come back and bite them.
It’s like a rabid pack of Rotts chowing down on your sorry rear.
Was really pathetic and sad? Everyone, or most everyone here wants Pryor to succeed. All you want is for you to take credit if he succeeds? While you already have your list ready on who to blame if he doesn’t?
You’re a pathetic little punk. Nothing more.
Add liar to your accolades, young man.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I hope he plays well so you haters can have that for your off season to suck on
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I hope he plays well ’cause he seems like a good guy and he’s a Raider.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
JFB, if TP were white, you’d have his schit dripping all over your chin, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Haters are going to hate, semantics aside.
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Yup, I will hate on Mistic’s flim-flam use of semantics.
Go TP!!!!
December 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Ghost you are an obvious cross poster
Try changing you writing style
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What the hell does that mean?
Writing style? You mean English? Punctuation? Grammar?
Or are you just out of replies?
I suspect that’s it.
Already told you. You are free to go, considering you aren’t doing all that well.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
KK,
Last I checked, TP is not white, and I WILL BE having his schit dripping on my chin tomorrow around 1pm.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Jfb
You are playing semantics pathetic
Did you watch the interview? Maybe you didn’t understand.
He is putting in extra work bottom line. That was the point his extra work & the virtue of his roster spot he earned his shot.
If I don’t call exact quotes off the top of my head it doesn’t diminish the point.
Lol your such a loser
December 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
I said Troy smith was better than Alex & he was scale goated in the singletary debacle.
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Excuses, of the degenerate gambler.
Sounds like, “I had him beat, and he flopped the flush draw on the river”.
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Bad beats.
Have a million.
Or so it seems.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
JFB, if TP were white, you’d have his schit dripping all over your chin, wouldn’t ya?
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Myself I would simply compare him more to Tebow than Vince Young.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
If I don’t call exact quotes off the top of my head it doesn’t diminish the point.
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Well it kind of does, especially when you put it in quotes.
Unless your unfamiliar with what quotation marks actually mean.
He is not putting in “Extra work” he is putting in typical starting NFL QB work, which is a great sign.
But I am sure if nobody called you on the “First to leave, last to stay” mularkey, it would have morphed to him sleeping in the parking lot and arriving before the coaches do.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Jfb
You are playing semantics pathetic
Did you watch the interview? Maybe you didn’t understand.
He is putting in extra work bottom line. That was the point his extra work & the virtue of his roster spot he earned his shot.
If I don’t call exact quotes off the top of my head it doesn’t diminish the point.
Lol your such a loser
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He disagrees with you, with facts, and you call him the loser?
I disagree with you, with facts, and you say I must be someone else?
Let me say it again. You don’t do well with debates, do you?
Funny watching you come apart.
Seriously, lol, it is.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
KK,
Last I checked, TP is not white, and I WILL BE having his schit dripping on my chin tomorrow around 1pm.
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JFB, if TP were white, you’d be all over him, and reaching into my trousers, wouldn’t ya?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
raiderman 1087 has it right
December 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Lol who gives a fugg about what united losers disagree with.
I’m not a journalist. Pryor made a point highlighting the extra work he puts in. Deflippo has verified it as well talking about the extra time Pryor spends.
Regardless of how you feel about my journalistic accumen
Pryor has earned this
Lol haters quaking in their boots
Peace
December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
KK,
Last I checked, TP is not white, and I WILL BE having his schit dripping on my chin tomorrow around 1pm.
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JFB, if TP were white, you’d be all over him, and reaching into my trousers, wouldn’t ya?
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Myself I would compare him more to Tebow than Vince Young (hey, you’re not the only one that can repeat himself like one has a learning disability.)
Seriously though… all three are similar. Tebow, Pryor, and VY. They are great athletes that mostly won games with their feet in college, and came to the NFL with accuracy and mechanics issues.
shrug
Why anyone would get all excited about THAT is anyone’s guess. I suspect the learning disability mentioned above.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Well, Black Monday coming up.
What coaches are on the block?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Besides DA, which I won’t be surprised if he’s one of the casualties, amazing how many coaches aren’t on stable grounds.
Reid with Eagles.
Wisenhunt with Az
Norv with SD
Lions Schwartz.
Jet’s Ryan
Titans Munchak
Bears Lovie Smith
Romeo with KC
Bills Chan Gailey
Panthers Rivera
Cowboys Shurmur
Browns already swung the axe, did I read?
That’s alot of coaches. I know I forgot one or two
December 29th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Gdog Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
KK,
Last I checked, TP is not white, and I WILL BE having his schit dripping on my chin tomorrow around 1pm.
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JFB, if TP were white, you’d be all over him, and reaching into my trousers, wouldn’t ya?
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Myself I would compare him more to Tebow than Vince Young (hey, you’re not the only one that can repeat himself like one has a learning disability.)
Seriously though… all three are similar. Tebow, Pryor, and VY. They are great athletes that mostly won games with their feet in college, and came to the NFL with accuracy and mechanics issues.
shrug
Why anyone would get all excited about THAT is anyone’s guess. I suspect the learning disability mentioned above.
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Why don’t you save your self-righteous statements until you see him play?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Forgot Garrett with the Cowboys for that list.
That’s between 12-15 coaches, obviously many won’t agree, but still that’s a lot.
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
Well, Black Monday coming up.
What coaches are on the block?
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Hoping for a couple changes, but that’s Mnday and tomorrow the Raiders play football. And it will be a great day to be a Raider fan, won’t it?
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Players never earn the right to start. All players should work hard all the time. A player should start because he is the best at his position. Yes, there may be other factors from time to time, but by and large the best players should always start and play a lot.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Dennis Allen spent the whole season looking in his clue bag and not finding anything.
Pryor and Reece should have been starting for some time now.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
Players never earn the right to start. All players should work hard all the time. A player should start because he is the best at his position. Yes, there may be other factors from time to time, but by and large the best players should always start and play a lot.
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You sound like one of those dummies that think they should play to win the game and dumb stuff like that!
December 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
Well, Black Monday coming up.
What coaches are on the block?
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Hoping for a couple changes, but that’s Mnday and tomorrow the Raiders play football. And it will be a great day to be a Raider fan, won’t it?
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Marinating the meat as we speak. Great to actually have something to look forward to tomorrow. Not getting hopes too high, but if Pryor at least looks promising, it gives hope for the future.
What sucks is coming on this board and have to deal with the crap from a few posters who spread their propaganda, instead of getting excited about our last game of the year. What’s the point? We’re argueing about what?
Not sure, but won’t be surprised if the crapdisturbers are rival fans, just stirring things up.
Hell with them, lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Lets talk Raider Football and not cross posting and race.If Pryor is 18-30 with 2 Td’s 230 Passing and 50-60 running.What happens next year??
December 29th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Re: first one in, last to leave?
I have a sign up that says “It’s not the amount of hours you put in, it’s what you do with those hours.”
I’m not going to dispute if someone says “first in, last out” because I’ve heard that far too many times. Yeah, they did come in first, here and there. Left last, here and there. it’s a cliche’ that is abused, in my opinion.
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Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Fitzpatrick are about to take the Wonderlic. Pryor studies hard, gets there early, picks the best seat and is in his seat pencil in hand when the tests are passed out and the clock starts. Fitzpatrick saunters in as they are passed out, casually takes his jacket off and places it on the back of his chair, and then sits down to start the test. 11 minutes into the 12 minute timed test, Fitzpatrick gets up and walks out. Pryor stays right up until the whistle getting every last second in.
When it all was finished, Pryor scored a 7. Fitzpatrick scored a 45.
[the above was a dramatization and not based on actual reported facts]
The point is that Pryor needs all that extra time studying film and the playbook because his brain requires more mental reps than others. There’s nothing wrong with puting in the extra time, but it doesn’t automatically get you better results.
It’s like saying that Leinhart and Pryor had a mile race, where Leinhart had a 20 second head start. Pryor passes him and finishes 30 seconds ahead of him. Leinhart started early and left late, does that make him a better runner because he spent more time running?
In the end, only one thing will matter and that is results. I still say Leinhart outperforms Pryor. Not a single person has stood up and said that he won’t. Yet he’s the wave of the future. Pathetic.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Alameda Lee Says:
Lets talk Raider Football and not cross posting and race.If Pryor is 18-30 with 2 Td’s 230 Passing and 50-60 running.What happens next year??
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Keep him, see if he can be number 1 or 2 and maybe keep him if he is still number three.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Alameda Lee Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Lets talk Raider Football and not cross posting and race.If Pryor is 18-30 with 2 Td’s 230 Passing and 50-60 running.What happens next year??
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The Raiders possibly swindle some team out of a 5th round pick instead of a conditional 7th based on Pryor making the roster.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Always laugh when I read a reporter, or a fan state that a player, pretty much any sport, is the “hardest workig guy on the team”. Usually add a ‘GUARANTEED’ for effect.
Well, effects them, lol. Guess they think if they add that, now it must be true.
This is the NFL. I’m guessing 100% of the backups give 100%, of time and effort, and 60% of starters do the same.
You’re playing for millions. Who wouldn’t bust their ass for those rewards? Especially knowing there is always someone willing to, if you won’t.
Here’s something I can’t recall ever hearing (prob was said somewhere by someone) A player stating to a reporter, with a recorder in his hand, how he works harder than any other player on the team. Or that he shows up before everyone, and leaves after everyone. You just don’t say that.
That’s for coaches trying to prop someone, or fans trying to win an argument. Lol.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Pryor is the most talented player on our roster.
And Allen hasn’t played him all year.
Reece is our best running back, and he doesn’t start.
Allen is an idiot.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Re: first one in, last to leave?
I have a sign up that says “It’s not the amount of hours you put in, it’s what you do with those hours.”
I’m not going to dispute if someone says “first in, last out” because I’ve heard that far too many times. Yeah, they did come in first, here and there. Left last, here and there. it’s a cliche’ that is abused, in my opinion.
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Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Fitzpatrick are about to take the Wonderlic. Pryor studies hard, gets there early, picks the best seat and is in his seat pencil in hand when the tests are passed out and the clock starts. Fitzpatrick saunters in as they are passed out, casually takes his jacket off and places it on the back of his chair, and then sits down to start the test. 11 minutes into the 12 minute timed test, Fitzpatrick gets up and walks out. Pryor stays right up until the whistle getting every last second in.
When it all was finished, Pryor scored a 7. Fitzpatrick scored a 45.
[the above was a dramatization and not based on actual reported facts]
The point is that Pryor needs all that extra time studying film and the playbook because his brain requires more mental reps than others. There’s nothing wrong with puting in the extra time, but it doesn’t automatically get you better results.
It’s like saying that Leinhart and Pryor had a mile race, where Leinhart had a 20 second head start. Pryor passes him and finishes 30 seconds ahead of him. Leinhart started early and left late, does that make him a better runner because he spent more time running?
In the end, only one thing will matter and that is results. I still say Leinhart outperforms Pryor. Not a single person has stood up and said that he won’t. Yet he’s the wave of the future. Pathetic.
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Up until this post, you at least provided intelligent responses and logical debate.
This post however is incredibly terrible. I wont go thru the entire thing punching holes in it, but suffice to say, wonderlic for instance does not have an influence in QB ability.
Fitzpatrick scored 45 and sucks.
Marino (and many others) scored in the late teens, twenties, and were champion QBs.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Pryor’s stats in college were almost identical to Cam Newton’s.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Zymurge is clearly a literal Pryor hater.
That’s your prerogative, but much of your comments and analysis on Pryor, has to be discarded due to prejudice and unwillingness to genuinely objectively have a viewpoint.
Pryor might not be a Rhodes Scholar, but you can clearly glean from all his interviews how genuinely intelligent he is as a person, a character, on football, etc. Not just intelligent but also refreshingly honest and realistic, he’s centered inside himself you can see.
Compare to whenever Newton talks. Pryor comes off far more sincere, grounded, strong inside, and higher ceiling for becoming a leader.
Rich Gannon was a workaholic. He was intelligent, and already an above-average NFL QB, yet he STILL kept working, still put in time. Same with Manning. To suggest that putting in more time/work somehow correlates to learning disability or stupidity is asinine. Instead it should be looked at for what it is….someone dedicated to their profession.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
urvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
Players never earn the right to start. All players should work hard all the time. A player should start because he is the best at his position. Yes, there may be other factors from time to time, but by and large the best players should always start and play a lot.
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You sound like one of those dummies that think they should play to win the game and dumb stuff like that!
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You nailed it. I’m so crazy that I think players should play based on their ability and performance and not on how much they make, what round they were drafted in, what race they are, etc.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Let’s not have it both ways here. Don’t say how stupid Knapp is and then use his words to prove how good Pryor is. We’ll get a GLIMPSE of Pryor tomorrow.
As it stands, I don’t think Pryor has what it takes. I will say it again: I’m an Ohio State fan! I want Pryor to succeed. Nevertheless, I don’t see it happening. I hope I’m wrong.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
1172-what a bunch of BS.How often have we won doing it Al’s way in the last 25-30 years?The problem with too many of you is you believe all we have to do is turn on a switch and we will win again.The way we will win again is build the team by upgrading the roster and you can’t do that over night.
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Lefty, I’m not saying to fire DA neccessarily, i’m saying let’s not have the reason be that we’re worried about the perception from the media jerks for making the move.
Whatever is the right move…don’t be afraid to make it if you think it will lead to WINNING.
I have not liked anything i’ve seen from DA this season regardless of the lack of talent we have.
I could sit here and list all the reasons…and we;ve one over them. Hiring Knapp…castrating DMAC, not having the team prepared…etc.
That’s my opinion.
I DO understand that continuity is a good thing in alot of cases, which is why i wanted Hue for another yr., but that’s a whole other story and we’ve gone over that time and again on here,
December 29th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 pm
lol
I say palmer stinks i get in return “talk about something else”
I say allen stinks in return i get “Talk about something else”
not sure if you know this but those are very important post in football hc and qb
we suck in both areas
plain honest truth
December 29th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Lechler taking reps at QB
http://prod.images.raiders.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/RAIDERS/assets/images/imported/OAK/photos/clubimages/2012/12-December/temp1228-practice-41–nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg
December 29th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Up until this post, you at least provided intelligent responses and logical debate.
This post however is incredibly terrible. I wont go thru the entire thing punching holes in it, but suffice to say, wonderlic for instance does not have an influence in QB ability.
Fitzpatrick scored 45 and sucks.
Marino (and many others) scored in the late teens, twenties, and were champion QBs.
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Thanks for the compliments, at least up until this post
There is a lot of evidence that points to the correlation between Wonderlic scores and QB success. Something like around 26 of 32 of the current NFL starters have scores of 24 or higher. As of Sunday, we’ll be dropping that score by one with the start of Pryor.
[here’s a good list of scores of most QBs present and past – http://www.nflstatanalysis.net/2011/03/qb-wonderlic-scores.html It leaves out the 2012 class that has 5 starters (RGIII, Luck, Weeden, Wilson, Tannenhill),plus 2 backups that have started (Cousins and Foles) all at or above 24.
Sure you will always find outliers like Marino, but that is the exception and not the norm. Look at the list and count off the names of QBs that had even decent careers that were below say 20. You won’t find many down around Marino and most of those go back a few decades when the passing game was much simpler.
The only study I found that discounts the Wonderlic:QB relationship says that it didn’t find a correlation between Wonderlic and passer rating. So what? Passer rating is largely a function of the system, where it rewards short and safe passing games like the WCO. I believe that Jeff Garcia has one of the best all time passer rating seasons in league history — need I say more on this subject?
Meanwhile, having a high Wonderlic (aka IQ) certainly does not guarantee you success in the NFL. I, as would I’m sure many of the posters here, do well on the Wonderlic but that doesn’t qualify us to play QB in the NFL. You kind of need to have a good arm, a large and durable body, hand eye coordination, footwork AND let’s not forget work ethic. JaMarcus Russell had all of the above (he had a 24 Wonderlic and was no dummy, he was just a lazy SOB) except the work ethic and we saw had that deficiency turned out.
The same thing can be said for being able to run a 4.4 forty. It’s alone won’t make you a good QB, but it will help you make a better one assuming that you have all the other skills as well, starting with the head to process the game at speed.
And that’s my whole point about Pryor. Being really good at one facet of QBing while being really deficient in another does not bode well for success. Especially when QB is the most cerebral position on the field and that deficiency is in the cerebral department.
(by the way, Fitzpatrick scored a 48, not a 45. I said it was a dramatization
)
Anyway, I STILL am waiting for someone, anyone to step up and say that Pryor, despite lacking in NFL QB brain capacity, will outplay Leinhart tomorrow. All that you have to do is say that if he does not, you’ll admit that maybe he really is missing out on something that will make his rise to starter very unlikely.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Miss Tick got Knapps back
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 12:01 p
I say palmer stinks i get in return “talk about something else”
I say allen stinks in return i get “Talk about something else”
not sure if you know this but those are very important post in football hc and qb
we suck in both areas
plain honest truth
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is watching at practice, and he said he likes what he sees from Pryor these days.
December 29th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Zymurge clearly wants Pryor to fail.
Duly noted
December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
DJ-I don’t agree with you about Allen but we each have our own opinion.As for how the media perceives us,who cares.They don’t like us when we win(I remember those days) and they love to mock us when we are down.IMO,it wouldn’t have mattered who coached the team this year,we would have stunk because the defense was terrible.I believe the main reason Allen was hired was to rebuild and improve the defense.IMO,he has done both but more needs to be done and will be done.I agree Knapp has to go and hopefully he will.If he is retained I might change my opinion of Allen but only after next year.I do believe this team is better today than it was Sept. 8th even though most don’t.I don’t believe the team was as close to becoming good last year as most do.They peaked as a squad witnessed by the way they finished the year.The organization is trying to put a system in place that will be the staple of the team instead of trying to install a new one every other year.Patience is required even though it will be painful at 1st.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Anyway, I STILL am waiting for someone, anyone to step up and say that Pryor, despite lacking in NFL QB brain capacity, will outplay Leinhart tomorrow. All that you have to do is say that if he does not, you’ll admit that maybe he really is missing out on something that will make his rise to starter very unlikely.
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You would fail the LSAT with this kind of logic. This post is fraught with assumptions. The most common is that Pryor does not maintain the mental capacity to be a QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
GG Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Zymurge is clearly a literal Pryor hater.
That’s your prerogative, but much of your comments and analysis on Pryor, has to be discarded due to prejudice and unwillingness to genuinely objectively have a viewpoint.
Pryor might not be a Rhodes Scholar, but you can clearly glean from all his interviews how genuinely intelligent he is as a person, a character, on football, etc. Not just intelligent but also refreshingly honest and realistic, he’s centered inside himself you can see.
Compare to whenever Newton talks. Pryor comes off far more sincere, grounded, strong inside, and higher ceiling for becoming a leader.
Rich Gannon was a workaholic. He was intelligent, and already an above-average NFL QB, yet he STILL kept working, still put in time. Same with Manning. To suggest that putting in more time/work somehow correlates to learning disability or stupidity is asinine. Instead it should be looked at for what it is….someone dedicated to their profession.
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I’m going to have to question your bar for intelligence then. I never said he was a dummy or that he couldn’t string together fairly cohesive English. Nor did I question his sincerity, work ethic, desire, or general all around good guy-ness.
I’m commenting on the decision making (or lack thereof) that I’ve seen from him under pressure so far. I’m combining that with a lot of evidence out there that says he’s just not that bright and then looking at how that projects to NFL success.
This is no different than if we were having this same discussion on Leinhart except talking about his arm. Because really, asidde from that noodle he seems to have enough of the other pieces to be a very good NFL QB. So why don’t we think that his intelligence, his work ethic, his large body of vast success in college, his NFL experience, his eloquent speech and his genreal good guyness won’t translate to NFL success?
We don’t because the arm is visible and easy for anyone to see. It short circuits a lot of the conversation, because it’s one clear asset that a QB needs that he doesn’t seem to have. Pryor has the same handicap but it’s less visible.
But it will be exposed tomorrow. You’re going to see him having a lot of trouble doing things that you take for granted from other QBs, even rookies hitting the field starting on day 1 as Luck and RGIII did. Things like getting the play called and the team lined up before the play clock rolls down. Things like rememeber which drop he’s taking for a given play. Things like not making audibles that result in the running back firing straight into the teeth of the run blitz that Palmer or Leinhart would spot without missing a beat. Things like locking onto a single WR and either forcing the throw or taking off running, missing multiple other open opportunities to get more yardage.
I say it’s all going to happen tomorrow. And I’m saying right now that if he proves me wrong, I’ll be the first to admit it. ALL that he has to do is outplay that noodle armed bum Leinhart to prove that he was worthy of starting over the backup that nodoby wanted. How hard is that for a guy that’s had two NFL seasons to prepare for this opportunity?
I’m not a hater. It’s called a realist.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:17 am
The biggest flaw with Zymurgy’s thinking is he doesn’t ever account for a change in IQ, which is highly possible considering how long Pryor has been studying.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:18 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Anyway, I STILL am waiting for someone, anyone to step up and say that Pryor, despite lacking in NFL QB brain capacity, will outplay Leinhart tomorrow. All that you have to do is say that if he does not, you’ll admit that maybe he really is missing out on something that will make his rise to starter very unlikely.
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You would fail the LSAT with this kind of logic. This post is fraught with assumptions. The most common is that Pryor does not maintain the mental capacity to be a QB.
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To my knowledge, it’s not a provable that his intelligence is his limiting factor. Just like you cannot prove that Leinhart’s arm is his. It’s subjective yet still fairly obvious. In mathematical terms, it’s called an axiom, where you need to rely on observation, an aggregate of evidence and common sense.
Arm strength can be measured to give a fairly predictive curve for success based on the criteria of past successful QBs. So can intelligence and that’s what the Wonderlic is for. Pryor scored a frickin 7! That’s like Leinhart failing to throw the ball 17 yards.
He’s not like RGIII who scored a 24. He’s not even Cam who scored a 20. He’s didn’t even score as “high” as mental meltdown Vince Young who scored a 14 (after a reported 6 that seems more likely given his history)
Guys with weak arms have succeeded before, but it’s an uphill battle and it’s rare. Guys with weak brains have as well, but it’s equally as rare and I assert is getting harder as the systems get more complex over time.
I do appreciate your concern for my ability to qualify for basic college education with my flawed logic. Hopefully, should I consider entering the college ranks, they’ll disregard my post here and look at the body of my 30 years in software engineering as proof that just maybe I know a thing or two about logic and give me a pass
December 30th, 2012 at 12:19 am
I want Pryor to do so well today that we get Miss Ticks sublime pearls of wisdom all off season.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Just like you cannot prove that Leinhart’s arm is his. It’s subjective yet still fairly obvious. In mathematical terms, it’s called an axiom, where you need to rely on observation, an aggregate of evidence and common sense.
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Wrong again….
If Leinhart’s arm is incapable of throwing deep effectively, it limits the offense. Wrs cannot run the entire route tree because there is no deep threat. Also, defenses can plan for defending a shorter field because they know deep balls will take longer to get to the WR.
I really didnt need to read any further into your next because the above premise was already wrong.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:27 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:17 am
The biggest flaw with Zymurgy’s thinking is he doesn’t ever account for a change in IQ, which is highly possible considering how long Pryor has been studying.
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Wow, really? You might want to look up IQ and the capacity for one to raise it. IQ is a measurement of your native intelligence. It is doable to train it up some, as you can exercise your logic centers, but within a very limited capacity. It’s a lot like your sprinting speed. We are born with inherent limits. Through training we can get a bit faster, but there’s a very hard ceiling that comes with the wiring.
Now what you can do is learn to test better. Things like time management and knowing which questions to skip, how to guesstimate, and boning up on some of the pattern type questions can help you score higher. But arguably you haven’t gotten any more intelligent — which is a measurement of your capacity to process quantities and complexities of information in an amount of time — you just learned how to score higher on tests.
So let’s say that Pryor gets all that and doubles his Wonderlic. He just made it to Vince Young level. There’s a monumental achievement! And when he’s done with that, he’s still no more equipped to learn the entire playbook, relay the play into the huddle in a timely fashion, make the pre and post snap reads in milliseconds, and all those other intangibles. What he will learn to do is to prevent getting overwhelmed as easily and just to take off running more often. It’s Vince Young all over again.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:29 am
I don’t know if pure intelligence is the question.Almost all QBs that enter the NFL are intelligent..I believe it is how fast one can process what is in front of them.They great ones can take one look and in an instant know what the opponent is going to do.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:29 am
How deep can this boy throw it?
http://prod.images.raiders.clubs.nflcdn.com/image-web/NFL/CDA/data/deployed/prod/RAIDERS/assets/images/imported/OAK/photos/clubimages/2012/12-December/temp1228-practice-41–nfl_mezz_1280_1024.jpg
December 30th, 2012 at 12:32 am
And when he’s done with that, he’s still no more equipped to learn the entire playbook, relay the play into the huddle in a timely fashion, make the pre and post snap reads in milliseconds, and all those other intangibles.
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So are you saying its impossible to learn how to do this better?
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:32 am
And when he’s done with that, he’s still no more equipped to learn the entire playbook, relay the play into the huddle in a timely fashion, make the pre and post snap reads in milliseconds, and all those other intangibles.
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So are you saying its impossible to learn how to do this better?
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I get it…Your saying Pryor is incapable of doing this…
Why?
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Just like you cannot prove that Leinhart’s arm is his. It’s subjective yet still fairly obvious. In mathematical terms, it’s called an axiom, where you need to rely on observation, an aggregate of evidence and common sense.
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Wrong again….
If Leinhart’s arm is incapable of throwing deep effectively, it limits the offense. Wrs cannot run the entire route tree because there is no deep threat. Also, defenses can plan for defending a shorter field because they know deep balls will take longer to get to the WR.
I really didnt need to read any further into your next because the above premise was already wrong.
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Yeah, how did that work out to limit Rich Gannon? How bad was weak armed Montana’s career? A weak arm is a liability, but those guys were able to play within that limitation because they ran diverse offenses with lots of wrinkles and both were experts at reading and adjusting to whatever the defense would give them.
What is way more limiting than having to cap some route trees is when the QB can only effectively thorw to a primary WR because he can’t read. Combine that with a guy that can’t learn much of the playbook and the defenses need only study a handful of looks to know exactly what is coming. They’ll bait Pryor by letting him think he has single coverage and then roll the safety over to the one place he will throw it. They’ll throw all kinds of movement and blitz angles and fakes at him to overload his brain, which will force him to rush throws. That just as effectively limits the route tree. The only difference is that they need to put a spy or two on him to take away the one thing he does do very well. Since everyone will be in a shallow zone looking for his panicked throws, that won’t be hard either.
At this point I’m thinking that about 1 in 6 balls that leave his hand will end up in the Chargers’ hands. Then we can see how mistic tells us that this does not make him a turnover machine.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up
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I know. That’s why I keep challenging his points. He just keeps going deeper.
I like to swoop on this blog like Batman and rain a little practicality.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:38 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up.
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So are you saying I’m wrong about my prediction of Pryor’s performance? Screw the debate, let the facts prove out who’s right.
I say Leinhart outplays him. What say you?
December 30th, 2012 at 12:39 am
What is way more limiting than having to cap some route trees is when the QB can only effectively thorw to a primary WR because he can’t read.
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You keep coming back to this one assertion. “He can’t read.” You say that as if its fact.
It isnt
December 30th, 2012 at 12:40 am
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:38 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up.
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So are you saying I’m wrong about my prediction of Pryor’s performance? Screw the debate, let the facts prove out who’s right.
I say Leinhart outplays him. What say you?
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I say let the younger QB get as many reps as Leinhart in order to make a fair comparison
December 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am
I’m saying you’re wrong about all the garbage you’ve posted about Pryor…that he’s stupid, etc.
And yeah of course Leinart wont outplay Pryor.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up
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I know. That’s why I keep challenging his points. He just keeps going deeper.
I like to swoop on this blog like Batman and rain a little practicality.
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So in your practical opinion, tell me how Pryor will do tomorrow?
December 30th, 2012 at 12:46 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:39 am
What is way more limiting than having to cap some route trees is when the QB can only effectively thorw to a primary WR because he can’t read.
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You keep coming back to this one assertion. “He can’t read.” You say that as if its fact.
It isnt
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Exactly! Zymurge’s terrible error is this constant asserting as fact that Pryor is stupid, cant throw, cant drop back, cant read coverages, cant learn a playbook, cant get better, and the stupidest thing ive read so far…that him working hard spending a lot of time studying film/playbook is because he’s stupid, rather than looking at it as dedication to his profession and getting better…just like gannon, manning, etc keep doing tho seasoned vets.
Zymurge clearly exposing he wishes for Pryor’s failure, and always harbored a hatred for him.
Seems to love Leinart way too much. Something fishy about that.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:46 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/29/geno-struggles-stedman-shines-in-pinstripe-bowl
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Where were all those Palmer sucks draft Geno Smith people?
December 30th, 2012 at 12:47 am
So in your practical opinion, tell me how Pryor will do tomorrow?
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I believe San Diego is the greater factor. I think they will pressure him into quick decisions and try to confuse him. He is a rookie after all.
Knapp will respond with quicker throws or throws over the top to keep the Chargers honest. This is where Pryor will have to prove able. The quick reads to subvert the blitz will be the most telling part of his game. If he cannot make these reads then you will be right.
The biggest unknown is the running attack. If that gets going Pryor will have it easier, but Knapps trick plays will fail. He just isnt a good schemer.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:48 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:39 am
What is way more limiting than having to cap some route trees is when the QB can only effectively thorw to a primary WR because he can’t read.
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You keep coming back to this one assertion. “He can’t read.” You say that as if its fact.
It isnt
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I don’t mean can’t in absolute terms. My 9 year old son made reads on the flag football field as a QB. That doesn’t prepare him to start in the NFL.
I’m saying he can’t read at the NFL level of speed and complexity. It’s vastly different than the college game.
Go watch your favorite YouTube of his college highlights. You’ll see exactly three kinds of plays over and over and over:
1) He locks onto a single target, usually on a deep route. He either hits him wide open (because college secondaries are weak and inconsistent) or forces it into bad coverage for a highlight catch.
2) He locks onto that same single target, makes his “read” not to throw it there and takes off running with a spectacular display of running skill.
3) He scrambles around in the pocket using his speed to buy time and then tosses the ball to the closest guy to him wearing his uniform on broken plays.
If you want to call #3 a read and a checkdown, more power to you. I prefer a more structured progression that takes place in, you know, like 2 seconds.
No really, go watch the film and show me examples of his head actually coming off of any single target. They are very few and far between. He may or may not be able to read, but he certainly has not demonstrated any proficiency at it if he can.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:49 am
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Exactly! Zymurge’s terrible error is this constant asserting as fact that Pryor is stupid, cant throw, cant drop back, cant read coverages, cant learn a playbook, cant get better, and the stupidest thing ive read so far…that him working hard spending a lot of time studying film/playbook is because he’s stupid, rather than looking at it as dedication to his profession and getting better…just like gannon, manning, etc keep doing tho seasoned vets.
Zymurge clearly exposing he wishes for Pryor’s failure, and always harbored a hatred for him.
Seems to love Leinart way too much. Something fishy about that.
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And Geno Smith is probably out.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:50 am
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I don’t mean can’t in absolute terms. My 9 year old son made reads on the flag football field as a QB. That doesn’t prepare him to start in the NFL.
I’m saying he can’t read at the NFL level of speed and complexity. It’s vastly different than the college game.
Go watch your favorite YouTube of his college highlights. You’ll see exactly three kinds of plays over and over and over:
1) He locks onto a single target, usually on a deep route. He either hits him wide open (because college secondaries are weak and inconsistent) or forces it into bad coverage for a highlight catch.
2) He locks onto that same single target, makes his “read” not to throw it there and takes off running with a spectacular display of running skill.
3) He scrambles around in the pocket using his speed to buy time and then tosses the ball to the closest guy to him wearing his uniform on broken plays.
If you want to call #3 a read and a checkdown, more power to you. I prefer a more structured progression that takes place in, you know, like 2 seconds.
No really, go watch the film and show me examples of his head actually coming off of any single target. They are very few and far between. He may or may not be able to read, but he certainly has not demonstrated any proficiency at it if he can.
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LOL, My nine year old son
did he win in the Sugar Bowl. Hilarious!!??
Well, it sure aint gonna be Geno Smith, either.
“And with the 1st pick in the SECOND round, the Kansas City Chiefs select Geno Smith…”
December 30th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:41 am
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:37 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Zymurge is just burying his argument deeper into the ground the more he tries to back it up
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I know. That’s why I keep challenging his points. He just keeps going deeper.
I like to swoop on this blog like Batman and rain a little practicality.
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So in your practical opinion, tell me how Pryor will do tomorrow?
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I will laugh my a$% off if this kid drops 3 bills on the Chargers tomorrow and they win
There will be a line stretching across the street in EATING CROW
and be sure to super-size those fries.
Cmon, Terrelle prove these people wrong.
December 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Pryor if he gets a reasonable amount of playing time, like say a whole half minimum…
He’ll hand off the ball fine, he’ll toss the ball fine, he’ll make good quick drop backs, he’ll go thru his progressions, he’ll make a number of excellent accurate throws, a few will be too inaccurate (over/under thrown), he’ll probably get picked off once or twice tops, he’ll throw at least 1 TD, he’ll rush in at least 1 TD, he’ll convert a number of 3rd downs by scampering off using his feet, he’ll break off a large rush, score 1 rushing TD, he’ll throw the ball away a few times, some of his accurate throws will be a little inaccurate where the receiver has to extend further out or reach back to get it and/or pass broken up by DB because of it, he’ll hit a few long bombs with great touch, a number of 10 yard throws which will be thrown like a bullet on target.
Basically, pretty much what we saw in the Detroit game. Same kind of performance at minimum.
Quantified into stats…
something like 55-60% completions
something like 190-250 yards passing
something like 2:1 TD:INT, 1 rushing TD, maybe even a reception TD on a trick play.
something like 60 yards rushing
December 30th, 2012 at 1:01 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Pryor if he gets a reasonable amount of playing time, like say a whole half minimum…
He’ll hand off the ball fine, he’ll toss the ball fine, he’ll make good quick drop backs, he’ll go thru his progressions, he’ll make a number of excellent accurate throws, a few will be too inaccurate (over/under thrown), he’ll probably get picked off once or twice tops, he’ll throw at least 1 TD, he’ll rush in at least 1 TD, he’ll convert a number of 3rd downs by scampering off using his feet, he’ll break off a large rush, score 1 rushing TD, he’ll throw the ball away a few times, some of his accurate throws will be a little inaccurate where the receiver has to extend further out or reach back to get it and/or pass broken up by DB because of it, he’ll hit a few long bombs with great touch, a number of 10 yard throws which will be thrown like a bullet on target.
Basically, pretty much what we saw in the Detroit game. Same kind of performance at minimum.
Quantified into stats…
something like 55-60% completions
something like 190-250 yards passing
something like 2:1 TD:INT, 1 rushing TD, maybe even a reception TD on a trick play.
something like 60 yards rushing
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Has this team lost so much, that EVERY QB move is scrutinized….
can they not get a QB to replicate at least what Vick or Cam Newton has done…?
Do they HOPE these guys fail just to be right?
pitiful.
December 30th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Quantified into stats…
something like 55-60% completions
something like 190-250 yards passing
something like 2:1 TD:INT, 1 rushing TD, maybe even a reception TD on a trick play.
something like 60 yards rushing
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Now that is worthy of respect. Someone actually went out and put their most valued blog clout on the line with real numbers. My hat’s off to you sir. I’ll do likewise
Assuming 50ish % of the snaps we’ll see:
Pryor:
- 5-12 passing (around 40-45%), 50-60 yards, 2 INTs
- 5-7 runs for maybe 50-60 yards, most of which will be on a single play.
- One TD scored either running or passing.
- About the same odds as a TD for one fumble on either a run or in waiting too long trying to prove he’s a pocket pass early and getting drilled.
- At least 1 each delay of game, time out wasted as the clock winds down (probably called by the coach from the sideline), several cadence related false starts, and probably zero read based adjustments of the alignment pre-snap
Leinhart:
- 9-14 passing, 115 yards, 1 INT, 1 TD
- 1 run for 2 yards
- A couple nice audibles that set up big running plays on draws
- No credit
December 30th, 2012 at 1:15 am
We shall await then Zymurge, only hours away.
December 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 1:15 am
We shall await then Zymurge, only hours away.
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At the end of the day…a lineman drafted by Reggie McKenzie (Bergstrom)..played out of position at RT, because another player couldnt hold it down (Barnes/Willie Smith), and a QB they never drafted (Palmer) was hit and is going to be replaced by another QB (Pryor) they didnt draft.
We will find out how it all plays out…we cant say no one is at fault…but they inherited a mess.
If Pryor surprises, it might work out for the best – particularly the way Geno Smith, Matt Barkley AND Ryan Nassib looked recently.
December 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am
I’m just an architect, but I think there’s street smarts,and book smarts. Pryor has the brains to says the right things if he wants to start. Listen to the geniuses like Leinart, and Knapp, and tell me who has more common sense.
Football is like art. Hands, head, and heart.
December 30th, 2012 at 1:54 am
Romania Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 1:48 am
I’m just an architect, but I think there’s street smarts,and book smarts. Pryor has the brains to says the right things if he wants to start. Listen to the geniuses like Leinart, and Knapp, and tell me who has more common sense.
Football is like art. Hands, head, and heart.
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If anybody ever needed to dig deep and show the heart to prove these people wrong, let it be Pryor. This franchise has needed a young star at that position for over a decade.
December 30th, 2012 at 1:54 am
RaiderSam…
Every organization has issues. And every new regime has inherited players and issues. There’s no perfect situation. No team without problems to navigate thru. Super Bowl winning teams…if you watch those America’s Game DVDs, you’ll see they all went thru rides, faced many problems, etc. If Reggie or Allen are looking for an entirely safe and trouble-free year BEFORE they can fashion success, then they’re in the wrong business or full of it trying to save their hides.
Romania…
Exactly. Well said.
December 30th, 2012 at 2:36 am
Throughout this season, I was amongst the bandwagon to get rid of Knapp. I was on the fence regarding Tarver. Now I have to agree with McFadden and Zymurge about retaining Tarver.
If anything, I think that was one of the very few moves DA made this off season that was a good call. Had Tarver remained an assistant w/the 9ers, he would’ve been blocked too. Kudos to DA for thinking out of the box and finding the guy. I can’t fault Tarver with the defensive woes this season even though Chuck B’s 2011 D shined better at times. Tarver dealt with a ragtag group of DBs, and 3 of his starting front 7 were cancers.
As for TP, I honestly think he’s better off NOT TO start. With a near unanimous “Fire Knapp” sentiment, do you think TP, even if he is good can thrive in a Knapp-ran offense? Palmer hasn’t been the Raiders QB of the future since HueJack was ran out of town. His performance will factor in whether or not the coaches remain.
I don’t think DA should be gone unless there’s a plan in place to replace him. In other words unless Chuckie is waiting in the wings, DA should remain. (KNAPP MUST GO) Mainly cause I honestly don’t know who can replace him and actually improve the team within Big Mac’s guidelines/vision. That said, Chuckie isn’t the long term answer either. Think of the often used analogy of “even (Fill in name of Elite QB) can’t win games with that piece of *&@### offensive line.” Well replace elite QB name with coaching candidate and replace offensive line with “team structure,” you get the picture. At least Chuckie will get season tickets renewed and sold.
If you told me that in the window of the last 5 seasons, including this season, this team’s “Peak” was Cable’s “Hip Hip Hurray!” I would’ve called you a Raider Hater. Kinda sad that the peak of the last 5 years IS “hip hip hurray.”
December 30th, 2012 at 3:18 am
TP actually ran the Knapp offence in pre-season better than we seen CP do it in regular-season,ok it was v scrubs but his roll-outs are very dangerous,im really surprised its taken this long for him to get a start because CP is color-blind
yeah “hip hip hurray“ and he claimed to be a Raider fan lol, a Raider HC cannot just win,he must win the Raider way,he must say and do all the right things and learn how to appease the Nation which is why DA will be given at least 2/4 seasons,if the culture must be changed,then it wont include firing DA after one season
We are one hot-shot OC and a few draft picks away from winning again,DA needs time to figure this thing out,but if he attempts to keep Knapp around then he could fall on his own sword
December 30th, 2012 at 4:18 am
prediction:
pryor will struggle in the pass game to the tune of completing less than 50% of his passes and less than 150 yards.
he will have a couple of nice runs.
missdick will blame the coaches, the scheme, and all “white supremacists”, but not pryor himself.
in the meantime, pryor will say that he played worse than he had hoped and he needs to get better. he will give credit to the coaches and palmer.
good kid, sub-par passer, with a couple of moronic white-haters as super-fans.
pryor would be embarrassed by missdick and priest.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:23 am
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 1:54 am
RaiderSam…
Every organization has issues. And every new regime has inherited players and issues. There’s no perfect situation. No team without problems to navigate thru. Super Bowl winning teams…if you watch those America’s Game DVDs, you’ll see they all went thru rides, faced many problems, etc. If Reggie or Allen are looking for an entirely safe and trouble-free year BEFORE they can fashion success, then they’re in the wrong business or full of it trying to save their hides.
Romania…
Exactly. Well said.
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Wouldnt the safe thing be not start Leinart, see Pryor fail/succeed, then determine the course of action…being drafting a QB or going for a low cost alternative at QB?
DA must be given an opportunity to work these things out, or we take step back again…everyone will second guess if it doesnt work.
Im just saying have people been so accustomed to dysfunction that we’d shoot down the kid before he has a chance to start? All these “less than 50% of his passes” and “struggle in the pass game” by god, he completed the pass to Palmer!
how many attempts did he have?!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 am
just because i expect pryor to struggle doesn’t mean i’m against him. i’m just knowledgeable. the kid was a marginal qb prospect with great size and speed. i was happy al davis drafted him, although i thought it was a round or two too high. he is a project. i suspect he will look pretty bad sunday, and it might be a good idea to convert him to wr if it’s apparent that he will not ever become a legit nfl qb. not a backup, where his great gifts will be wasted. in order for him to stay at qb, there has to be hope that he will become a starting-caliber qb. i doubt that will ever happen. but if he shows some ability to make passes, then at least there is hope, that with more seasoning, he could do it.
he made plenty of passes at OSU, so maybe he can do it with the raiders. i hope so, cuz he’s a good kid and if he can surprise everyone, he could be fantastic. but it’s just not likely. sorry i’m a realist, and not gonna talk up a kid that hasn’t shown real passing skills yet.
but even though i think missdick and priest are racist, anti-white morons, i’ll still be rooting for pryor big-time, hoping he shocks the world, cuz i’m a raider fan, and he’ll be wearing silver and black, plus he seems like a good guy.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 am
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:23 am
by god, he completed the pass to Palmer!
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yes. yes he did.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 am
Zymurge Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 4:03 am
there are 3 things that pryor can show sunday:
1) he’s an amazing out-of-the-box superstar from the another planet, as missdick and priest have claimed.
2) he’s a raw, flawed qb that nevertheless does have qb skills to work on.
3) he’s not a nfl qb and never will be.
i think #1 is ridiculous. that’s one of the reasons missdick and priest have proven they are indeed insane.
i’m hoping for #2, which would be nice.
i’m fearing #3.
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Good breakdown, I agree. My biggest fear is not #3 but #2.5. In that case, he’ll look real raw, lost most of the time and appear lacking in the raw tools. And then he’ll bust off one long run or make one decent throw to a wide open receiver deeep and show a glimmer of promise. That glimmer will completely will make all of his mistakes and horrible reads invisible to those with woodies for his potential and he will be proclaimed the next great thing. And then he’ll be hanging around on the roster, soaking up coaching resources for another season chasing consistency that he’s not capable of delivering. Just like JaFatass showed, Vince Young and Tebow on other teams have done.
The problem with that type of player is that, in hindsight, they set the team back chasing a what if dream with a very low liklihood of success. Meanwhile, other teams are doing it right, like Seattle with Wilson. Flynn was the automatic starter based on his FA signing (which is similar to how Pryor is viewed with his 3rd round pick) but they let the guy that EARNED IT in camp and preseason get the reps. Now they’re investing in the right choice for the long haul.
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yeah, and category 2.5 is maybe where he ends up. oh boy. show just enuff to remain an enigma. it’s ok. there is almost no chnace he shows enuff to go into camp as our starter and there will be no “competition” with palmer, so maybe another year of palmer playing pretty well, while pryor spends year 3 trying to get better will tell us more. but they would likely go get a replacement for leinart a the #2, so we will be in a holding pattern. next preseason could tell us a lot. if we don’t draft a qb this year, i suspect we will next draft.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 am
just because i expect pryor to struggle doesn’t mean i’m against him. i’m just knowledgeable. the kid was a marginal qb prospect with great size and speed. i was happy al davis drafted him, although i thought it was a round or two too high. he is a project. i suspect he will look pretty bad sunday, and it might be a good idea to convert him to wr if it’s apparent that he will not ever become a legit nfl qb. not a backup, where his great gifts will be wasted. in order for him to stay at qb, there has to be hope that he will become a starting-caliber qb. i doubt that will ever happen. but if he shows some ability to make passes, then at least there is hope, that with more seasoning, he could do it.
he made plenty of passes at OSU, so maybe he can do it with the raiders. i hope so, cuz he’s a good kid and if he can surprise everyone, he could be fantastic. but it’s just not likely. sorry i’m a realist, and not gonna talk up a kid that hasn’t shown real passing skills yet.
but even though i think missdick and priest are racist, anti-white morons, i’ll still be rooting for pryor big-time, hoping he shocks the world, cuz i’m a raider fan, and he’ll be wearing silver and black, plus he seems like a good guy.
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say he doesnt make it
is it
Palmer again…and risk 13 mil and an i.r.
or Aaron Murray, Nassib, vet back up or Tyler Bray?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 am
well, it will be interesting. there are a lot of variables, including the severity of palmer’s injury, which apparently has caused some rumors that he could retire or miss next season.
but as of now, we have to assume palmer will be healthy, will not be traded, and is, as allen said, our qb next season, which is cool, because he’s good.
if pryor shows sunday that he’s horrible and definitely not the answer, then we may have to trade down, and grab a qb in the mid or late 1st or maybe the 2nd round.
we would also have to go get a veteran qb to round out things, since leinart likely won’t be in the nfl next season.
a lot depends on pryor’s performance sunday. if he looks like there is a chance, then we get a vet to be the #2 or #3, and pryor sticks for year 3.
if he sucks badly, then we draft a guy, get a vet, and convert pryor to wr.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 am
as for price, palmer would likely restructure.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 am
by the way, earlier today i posted some info that i think shows proof that palmer played very well this season.
i would say in any given game, qb rating would be like this:
100+ excellent
90+ very good
80+ good
70+ not good
70- bad
palmer’s game log:
sd 94.2
@mia 74.4
pit 103.7
@den 73.4
@atl 102.2
jax 74.4
@kc 83.8
tb 85.0
@bal 95.4
no 76.3
@cin 64.1
cle 86.3
den 101.1
kc 80.0
so u can see that this season, palmer had:
3 excellent games
2 very good games
4 good games
4 not good games
1 bad game
we actually won the jax game, even though he had a “not good” game.
he played 9 games that were good enough for a qb to win, plus the jax game, in which his team helped.
so, palmer played well enuff to go 10-4.
palmer bashers are football-ignorant.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 am
3 of our wins came when palmer played well, and 1 came when he didn’t.
but he played 9 total games well. that means his TEAM let him down 6 times.
that’s a bad team, with a good qb.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 am
Rob one game good or bad is not enough to go on with TP so this game won’t mean much in determining if he should stay, he should have started the KC and CAR games then we would have a better gauge on him.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Raiders 23
Teram Lethargy 20
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 am
I think that its a tough situation for TP having to face a 3-4 D his first time out. Imo its a lil harder to read a 3-4 because you have to figure out where the extra rushers are coming from so I think today will be a tough day for TP, if he can manage a decent game that is a huge plus in my eyes.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 am
I hate Rivers and I really really do not want him happy at the end today.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 am
SD is a real tough D.
TP has his work cut out for him. Good thing he is healthy, and rested and can run like the wind.
All we need to see is some accuracy in his passess
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Dr_robert Says:
3 of our wins came when palmer played well, and 1 came when he didn’t.
but he played 9 total games well. that means his TEAM let him down 6 times.
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Not entirely true. He played well in Atlanta, but HE lost that game. Period.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Plunketthead Says:
I hate Rivers and I really really do not want him happy at the end today.
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Agreed!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Raiders 34
Chargers 28
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Hope the field is in good condition today for TP. It is pouring down here in SD right now.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Amazingly it has suddenly stopped raining and the sun is shining now. Further changes in weather conditions will be updated until tailgate time.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:47 am
It’s supposed to be sunny for the rest of the day. The field will probably be a little soggy though. It rained all day yesterday and all night. Hopefully the dolts brought the tarp out.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I played Torrey North yesterday morning and the course was in pretty good shape so…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:06 am
We need to develop a QB. SB winning teams draft and develop their QB’s.
Big Ben
Eli
Peyton
Brady r
Rodgers
The odds are that of you want to win the SB, you need to draft and develop your own QB.
I pray to God, TP6 could be that guy.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:12 am
i understand what a dissapointment this season has been,for me also,but allen needs to come back next year.for the sake of continuity,give the guy a chance.now some of the assistants got to go,knapp of course,special teams coach,offensive line coach,defensive line coach,recievers coach,but allen must stay at least one more year.oh and draft defense and o-line(kyle long).we all need to pull for terrelle pryor today so quit bashing and start rooting for your team,instead of hating so bad,i swear some of you guys dont even sound like true raider fans,just saying
December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am
If DMac can get on track I think TP6 can have a good day.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I played Torrey North yesterday morning and the course was in pretty good shape so…
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Yeah, it wasn’t actually “all day”. It started around 2:30. I’m sure it will be ok.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 am
I bet my boy a round of golf that we’d have a better record than the Chockers. Going for double or nothing on this game.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Morilla if your going to the game keep your nostrils open for some Sour Diesel during tailgate, not sure which lot yet though.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am
WTF is a Chocker?
GO WARRIORS!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am
The Chockers are an NFL team located in San Diego.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am
if the o-line looks better today it could be cause bergstrom is replacing brisel.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I guess it should be Choker, my bad.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:28 am
arent we in a division with the chockers,queefs and donkeys? ha,ha
December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
oh yea choker
December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 am
^ that’s what I always thought.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 am
keep the warriors,we got lakers and CLIPPERS oh yea baby
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I stopped making nicknames for NFL teams around 7th grade but to each his own right WhoKnows ?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: Bye Week.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: GG: 34-16 Panthers
Week 12: backstageatapupptshow: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13 – reverse winner – Albert B. Paine 20/17
Week 13: Cork: Denver 33 Raiders 13 (26/13)
Week 14: Plunketthead Raiders 25 Missouri 17 (15-0) R
Week 15: DKnight007 Says: Carolina 24 Raiders 10
GG Says: Raiders 30 Chargers 27
qodrn: Raiders 20 Chargers 19
Relentless Says: Raiders-21 Chargers-17
December 30th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Warriors-Clippers next week, with the entire world watching.
Awesome
December 30th, 2012 at 8:35 am
never stop making nicknames for friends or foes,thats when you’re just old
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
lakers clippers next friday also
December 30th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Excited to see Pryor play. Fingers crossed in hopes he does well and gives us something to look forward to next year.
Go Raiders!
Fire Knapp.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Yes I’ve read your post Mr. Brown, very mature.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:42 am
GhostRaiders Says:
December 29th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Re: first one in, last to leave?
I have a sign up that says “It’s not the amount of hours you put in, it’s what you do with those hours.”
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One thing that is said about great leaders and diffrence makers in ALL sports is that;
They are the first one in and last to leave.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 am
by the way, earlier today i posted some info that i think shows proof that palmer played very well this season.
i would say in any given game, qb rating would be like this:
100+ excellent
90+ very good
80+ good
70+ not good
70- bad
palmer’s game log:
sd 94.2
@mia 74.4
pit 103.7
@den 73.4
@atl 102.2
jax 74.4
@kc 83.8
tb 85.0
@bal 95.4
no 76.3
@cin 64.1
cle 86.3
den 101.1
kc 80.0
so u can see that this season, palmer had:
3 excellent games
2 very good games
4 good games
4 not good games
1 bad game
we actually won the jax game, even though he had a “not good” game.
he played 9 games that were good enough for a qb to win, plus the jax game, in which his team helped.
so, palmer played well enuff to go 10-4.
palmer bashers are football-ignorant.
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I would agree with that, but this does show how stats can lie, especially QB rating. Jax was the game where CP took the entire team on his shoulders and willed them to the win 4th quarter on!
Pitts was his best game though… that CP/Rothy shoot out in the second half reminded me of the old Stabler/Bradshaw shootouts!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:46 am
M Jackson needs his contract extended ASAP! Even Biedrins is playing decent!
Whoever brought in Jack & Landry need to be praised, 6th&7th men of the year no question.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Morilla if your going to the game keep your nostrils open for some Sour Diesel during tailgate, not sure which lot yet though.
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Wish I was, my buddy sold his two season tix and I put off looking for others. Watching from home. The diesel will be here too:)
December 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am
W’s are balling no doubt jowever, they need to get over the hump and beat the fakes.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 am
303Raider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:06 am
We need to develop a QB. SB winning teams draft and develop their QB’s.
Big Ben
Eli
Peyton
Brady r
Rodgers
The odds are that of you want to win the SB, you need to draft and develop your own QB.
I pray to God, TP6 could be that guy.
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LOL! Ok… but the two players that Pryor is more similar to coming out of college are Tebow, and Vince Young. All won games mostly with their feet… all came out with accuracy and mechanics problems. Look how those two are turning out.
I like your passion though… Pryor will be fun to watch!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:51 am
The only reason I’m going to this game is to see Pryor play. I was stoked when he got drafted, I hope he can handle the pressure and does well.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:51 am
They had a 14 point lead on LA and then folded up. It was a blessing in disguise and a young team goes through those growing pains. I would wager large the next time GSW faces LA they pound the snot out of them.
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Thec Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:48 am
W’s are balling no doubt jowever, they need to get over the hump and beat the fakes.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Although i’m a Laker fan, I enjoy watching the Warriors play whenever they’re on tv. Got to watch them beat the Heat and I was happy for a week. Jack was a great pick up and he abused us last time we played each other.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 am
it would make a nice little ending for the al davis legacy if his last pick turned out to be ‘last name ever,first name greatest” go T.P.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Even Biedrins is playing decent!
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He stopped taking X and isn’t running around in a daze out there.
Stopped running pick and roll for him as well, which was a blessing for him. Getting the ball and then fouled pysched out his whole game.
Mark Jackson gets it
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 am
3rd down decision making, ability to get to the LOS crisply and not snap the ball at 1 and waste timeouts, and the 2 minute offense.
The 3 things I will be looking for and judging TP’s day on today.
I am sure he will break off an exciting 30 yard run at some time, and people will gush off that all offseason.
Not I, can’t rely on that stuff, especially in the postseason.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Be productive, sustain drives, no turnovers and that will be a positive sign for me.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Dr_robert Says:
3 of our wins came when palmer played well, and 1 came when he didn’t.
but he played 9 total games well. that means his TEAM let him down 6 times.
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Not entirely true. He played well in Atlanta, but HE lost that game. Period.
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u just showed ur football ignorance.
23-33 353 yards 1td 1int
if ur team can’t win the other facets of the game when the qb plays that well, it’s on the the team, not the qb.
so ignorant.