Final: Chargers 24, Raiders 21
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders closed the books on a 4-12 season Sunday by rallying from a 17-point deficit only to fall 24-21 to the San Diego Chargers before 66,486 fans at Qualcomm Stadium.
A blocked punt by Coye Francies, recovered by Kaelin Burnett, helped set up Terrelle Pryor’s second touchdown pass, a 5-yard flip to Denarius Moore with 1:52 to play.
San Diego’s Michael Spurlock, who opened the scoring with a 99-yard touchdown return on the opening kickoff, then recovered an onsides kick with 1:51 to play. The Chargers then killed the clock to finish 7-9.
San Diego quarterback Phillip Rivers threw touchdown passes of 11 yards to Antonio Gates, 34 yards to Danorio Alexander and Nick Novak kicked a 30-yad field goal as the Chargers finished 7-9.
Pryor, in his starting debut, broke an 10-quarter touchdown drought with a 9-yard touchdown pass to Darrius Heyward-Bey in the second quarter and had a 3-yard touchdown run with 7:43 left and the Raiders trailing 24-7.
Pryor, however, struggled with his passing and didn’t get a lot of help from his receivers, with at least three dropped passes plus some other opportunities where the throws were off-target but still could have been caught.
Pryor completed 13 of 28 passes for 150 yards, one touchdown, and one costly interception by Quentin Jammer in the end zone on a first-half pass with too much loft intended for Heyward-Bey. He also ran for 49 yards on nine carries, mostly on scrambles rather than designed runs.
If there was a turning point from the Raiders, it came after Pryor directed a 12-play, 80-yard scoring drive that resulted in the touchdown pass to Heyward-Bey.
Pryor had a 10-yard pass to Rod Streater and a 17-yard completion to Brandon Myers, both on the move, and got the Raiders to the 9-yard line with an 8-yard scramble before the touchdown with 12:11 left in the quarter.
When the Raiders most needed a stop, San Diego embarked an epic 14-play, 81-yard drive that took 9:23 on the clock before Rivers threw the touchdown pass to Gates.
Included on the drive was a 6-yard run by upback Eric Weddle out of punt formation out of fourth-and-1, as well as 5-yard defensive penalties on the Raiders for encroachment (Tommy Kelly) and offsides (Lamar Houston).
Oakland’s second touchdown came after an eight-play, 76-yard drive which included one of the few long-distance hookups Pryor managed all day, a 38-yard strike to Streater to the San Diego 3-yard line.
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December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Special teams lost this game. Period.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Has Krapp been fired yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Tp, good job man
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
LET THE FIRINGS BEGIN!!!! This season was a waste of time, effort, and my money!
Just awful
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Defense played good, to many dropped balls today by our Wide outs. Fire Knapp
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I was trying to read Knapps Lips when he and Norv shook hands. Almost looked like he said to Norv: Good Luck with my guys next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Pryor deserves to be promoted to backup QB.
The end.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Personally I thought TP6 showed himself well today and in turn showed this staff doesn’t know what they are doing. Good job on both fronts. Now lets get to the firing.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Well, Palmer is gone
December 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
That was that.
Offseason starts now.
Will it be interesting?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
New OC
Sign Dwayne Bowe
Trade Palmer for a #1
Draft Moore or Werner #3
Draft a FS with the Jets #1
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Any chance KC, Jags, or AZ want Palmer?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Thank god this seasons over I’m sorry but this was one of the toughest to watch in a while. I wouldn’t even know wher to start to fix this accept some of the coaching. don’t matter though RAIDER DIE HARD TILL I DIE
Terrell Pryor has some potential I’m glad he got a shot to play
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
J, you think we can get a #1 for Palmer? What about his contract?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Thank god this season is over. I can’t watch Knapps sh!t anymore
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
what a waste of a season and time, keep palmer and bring T.P. as a backup to continue and develop, but only if C.P. takes a large pay cut, if not fuc him and we roll and build around T.P.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Pryor should have been starting 4 weeks ago! Matt Leinart should have never been in last week.
Pryor makes shyyt happen! If Raiders wouldnt have given up that horrible opening game TD they win.
Pryor should at very least be backupnext year. First scoring TD since WEEK 7. Pryor got that for the raiders. First scoring drive also in 3 weeks.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Who ever thinks we can get a 1 for Palmer is an idiot.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Almost 50% completion % and 150 yards….yeah, lets make him the starter in 2013!
#1 pick in 2014!
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I know you said that sarcastically, but that is exactly what I’m thinking. If Pryor plays well next year, good we have our QB! If Pryor plays terribly, good we can draft our new QB!
Pryor 2013!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
J, you think we can get a #1 for Palmer? What about his contract?
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No, Hue was the only one dumb enough to give up that much for him…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Knapp should get fired for not teaching Pryor how to put his pants on during OTAs and Training Camp
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Almost 50% completion % and 150 yards….yeah, lets make him the starter in 2013!
#1 pick in 2014!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Who ever thinks we can get a 1 for Palmer is an idiot.
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I would jump at that in a second.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Nobody will trade for Palmer. He is not worth his contract. He will have to be cut
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Thought Pryor had a pretty good showing. His deep balls didn’t have alot of zip. That concerns me a bit going forward. I do think he’s going to be our future starter though.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Also I love how people are saying Palmer is too much money as if it is actually their dollars being spent. Being a cheap bastard gets you nowhere. Look at the bengals before the league basically made people use 99% of the cap or some crazy number like that.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
It was hopeful and fun and frustrating to watch.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Keep CP at #1 and TP goes to #2. Build the lines, corners, safety and a #1 WR and let it roll.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
palmer is staying. he will restructure.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Personally I thought TP6 showed himself well today and in turn showed this staff doesn’t know what they are doing. Good job on both fronts. Now lets get to the firing.
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Holla!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Who ever thinks we can get a 1 for Palmer is an idiot.
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I would jump at that in a second.
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Jump at Palmer for a first rounder? Then you are an idiot
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Start the firing. Commence with the canning. Drum roll please.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
What do Vick and Palmer have in common?? They are not worth their contracts and will be cut.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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HAHAHAHHAHA! u liked that pass. hilarious.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
rediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
are we SURE this win is worth dropping 3 spots in the draft?
For what purpose?
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Even with a win we would have kept the #3 with tiebreakers.
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ERrrrrrr, nope.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
C2E Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
palmer is staying. he will restructure.
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Smartest thing I’ve heard
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
TP should be the #2 QB at the very least!
Chargers took the pedal off the metal by the way.
This game was not as close as it showed on scoreboard and you know it DA spinners!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
edward teach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Strange, but true…
If the opening kickoff isn’t returned for a TD there’s a good chance it’s 21-17 Raiders right now.
Say what you want about Tarver, but there’s no question that this defense has improved as the year has gone on.
Upgrade a few positions on that side of the ball and they could be pretty good next year.
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I actually agree. I don’t think you need to change him out. Defense improved overall as the year progressed. Offense NEEDS to change.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
J, you think we can get a #1 for Palmer? What about his contract?
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No, Hue was the only one dumb enough to give up that much for him…
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and yet Hue went 8-8 with the same roster, lost his starting QB, RB, WR, and lost the patriarch of the Raiders..What’s Denise’s excuse?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
i don’t want this kid at qb.
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Yeah you have alternative “hater” motives. Even if TP lit it(Matt Flynn) up you would say the same thing.
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LOL! yeah right. i’m a real hater. i don’t think a 72 qb rating is good. i must be racist.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I HOPE we can get a #1 for Palmer.
I think the owner will mandate Pryor start. Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Who ever thinks we can get a 1 for Palmer is an idiot.
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I would jump at that in a second.
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Jump at Palmer for a first rounder? Then you are an idiot
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At getting a first for Palmer, yes.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
TP THROWS TO MANY FLOATERS THOUGH . HE DOES HAVE A NICE DEEP BALL.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Guess we can all agree that we need Palmer for at least another year. Hopefully TP will learn to throw the damn ball with accuracy. No one cares about a scrambling qb if they can’t throw a good ball. The receivers will agree, to a man, that Pryors balls will get them injured, and are off the mark.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
ok. it’s a fact. some of u are simply the most ignorant football fans in the world.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Keep CP at #1 and TP goes to #2. Build the lines, corners, safety and a #1 WR and let it roll.
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Agreed, with an added Fire Knapp and Hoffman
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Keep Pryor, he should be utilized in RED ZONE period
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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this is true, I dont think C.P. makes that play. being part of the reason we couldnt score t.ds and instead were kicking f.gs
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Has Krapp been fired yet?????
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
pryor basically sucks as a passer. draft geno and let him learn behind palmer for a year.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
da trinity Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
TP THROWS TO MANY FLOATERS THOUGH . HE DOES HAVE A NICE DEEP BALL
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Dumbass. His deep balls were as ugly as his short floaters.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
ok. it’s a fact. some of u are simply the most ignorant football fans in the world.
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Exactly…look at all the ones that wanna keep Denise.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Keep Palmer for everything else, give Pryor plays in RED ZONE
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
TP in 2013! He has to at least get the #2 spot now – the kid hasn’t played a full game in 2 years and almost got us a win. He’s got my vote.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Pryor showed enough to be the backup but until he pants and drives his throws, he won’t be the answer
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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this is true, I dont think C.P. makes that play. being part of the reason we couldnt score t.ds and instead were kicking f.gs
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palmer wouldn’t make that play cuz he wouldn’t need to. and he certainly wouldn’t throw that idiotic duck.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
3 offensive TDs with Krapp???
Encouraging is right, GG.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If TP6 looked OK today, then just think how he would’ve looked with a good OC (like HueJax) and players who didn’t drop the balls around him. The kid makes things happen. You can see that. Certainly, he needs to work on some things, but the whole time this staff would lead you to believe the kid could not play at all. What a bunch of morons.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Guess we can all agree that we need Palmer for at least another year. Hopefully TP will learn to throw the damn ball with accuracy. No one cares about a scrambling qb if they can’t throw a good ball. The receivers will agree, to a man, that Pryors balls will get them injured, and are off the mark.
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You lil coward Btch. lol you can be me the rest of the day, ok?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Plants and throws off his front foot, he has to drive the ball better
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Pryor should come in on 3rd and short plays and red zone, let his game develop little more behind CP and give him keys to the whole O in 2014
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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The defender fell down. You could have made that pass. I could have. Idiot oakfo could have.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
TP in 2013! He has to at least get the #2 spot now – the kid hasn’t played a full game in 2 years and almost got us a win. He’s got my vote.
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i would guess he will be the #2 but i will tell u now, he will never be a good passer.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Thats right. Everyone must have perspective ..this is WITH KRAPP AS OC!!! He did this even with Krapp.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If TP6 looked OK today, then just think how he would’ve looked with a good OC (like HueJax) and players who didn’t drop the balls around him. The kid makes things happen. You can see that. Certainly, he needs to work on some things, but the whole time this staff would lead you to believe the kid could not play at all. What a bunch of morons.
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TRUTH
December 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Onto the draft
December 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Great. My imposter shows up now. Go home, little boy.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Burn_209 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Who ever thinks we can get a 1 for Palmer is an idiot.
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I would jump at that in a second.
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Jump at Palmer for a first rounder? Then you are an idiot
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At getting a first for Palmer, yes.
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Well hell who wouldn’t? That’s common sense. Still never goin to happen
December 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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this is true, I dont think C.P. makes that play. being part of the reason we couldnt score t.ds and instead were kicking f.gs
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palmer wouldn’t make that play cuz he wouldn’t need to. and he certainly wouldn’t throw that idiotic duck.
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Palmer wouldn’t make that play because he would have been on his back with that permanent look of bewilderment on his face.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Pryor should come in on 3rd and short plays and red zone, let his game develop little more behind CP and give him keys to the whole O in 2014
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No need to waste another year with CP. He is not a winner. Time to move on.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
You feel good showing up after the game, impersonating me? Loser.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
that last pass and many of them today, were ridiculously bad. he would be horrendous as a starting qb over time. go ahead and check out who has a 72 rating or lower:
mark sanchez and matt cassel. that’s it.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Pryor’s play all up showed he is better than Leinart. Ability to extend plays and scramble, the dual-threat nature which allows the OC to call a lot more variety, the defense having to worry about more thus opening more options up. Pryor adds something, which translated with 2 passing TDs, a rushing TD, from him, when with Palmer and Leinart the last two weeks we didn’t even score a passing TD. And first rushing TD since week 7.
Pryor needs more reps to get his mechanics second-nature, will allow him to put more muscle into his throws, gotta remember they spent a lot of time changing his throwing mechanics, which takes thousands of reps to get second nature. Pryor is a very quick learner.
Another thing worth mentioning is how many different formations and plays we ran with Pryor, he clearly knows a lot of the playbook like he said, they didnt have to curtail Pryor the last few weeks using him for gadget plays only…they tried to paint him off as retarded with knowledge of playbook and stuff like not making the right 3 or 5 step drops, etc.
I think we should bring Palmer back re-structured, get rid of Leinart, and keep working Pryor next year to eventually become starter.
We can draft QB in 2014 to develop. Spend our draft picks filling the more important holes we have elsewhere.
The only worry is Reggie trading Pryor instead and wanting to draft his own QB like Tyler Bray. Would be pissed with that.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Draft talk , I’m ready to buy Damontre Moore jersey, the D will be legit with him rushing,
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Palmer will be back….. And spry or will be # 2……Now Reggie…. Get to work…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
DMAC waived yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 am
14-26 179 yds 1td 1int
10 carries 65yds 1 TD
Legacy Game numbers lol
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Where was I? Didnt see his stats. lol
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Nice game. Take away that darn opening kickoff and we may have won.
Last time I said it I was laughed out of the blog but the run defense has improved bigtime.
The defense will be great next year with Tarver and the DA coaching them up
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
* pryor*
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RediaR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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this is true, I dont think C.P. makes that play. being part of the reason we couldnt score t.ds and instead were kicking f.gs
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palmer wouldn’t make that play cuz he wouldn’t need to. and he certainly wouldn’t throw that idiotic duck.
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Palmer wouldn’t make that play because he would have been on his back with that permanent look of bewilderment on his face.
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u clearly don’t know an nfl qb when u see one.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Pryor’s play all up showed he is better than Leinart. Ability to extend plays and scramble, the dual-threat nature which allows the OC to call a lot more variety, the defense having to worry about more thus opening more options up. Pryor adds something, which translated with 2 passing TDs, a rushing TD, from him, when with Palmer and Leinart the last two weeks we didn’t even score a passing TD. And first rushing TD since week 7.
Pryor needs more reps to get his mechanics second-nature, will allow him to put more muscle into his throws, gotta remember they spent a lot of time changing his throwing mechanics, which takes thousands of reps to get second nature. Pryor is a very quick learner.
Another thing worth mentioning is how many different formations and plays we ran with Pryor, he clearly knows a lot of the playbook like he said, they didnt have to curtail Pryor the last few weeks using him for gadget plays only…they tried to paint him off as retarded with knowledge of playbook and stuff like not making the right 3 or 5 step drops, etc.
I think we should bring Palmer back re-structured, get rid of Leinart, and keep working Pryor next year to eventually become starter.
We can draft QB in 2014 to develop. Spend our draft picks filling the more important holes we have elsewhere.
The only worry is Reggie trading Pryor instead and wanting to draft his own QB like Tyler Bray. Would be pissed with that.
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Mistic?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Pryor showed enough to be the backup but until he pants and drives his throws, he won’t be the answer
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Agree. Bad mechanics all day. hate to agree with everyone who said his mechanics were off, but they were.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
big pep Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
what a waste of a season and time, keep palmer and bring T.P. as a backup to continue and develop, but only if C.P. takes a large pay cut, if not fuc him and we roll and build around T.P.
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definetly agree tp time is coming definently moved to #2 cp has to take a putcut 17 mil is a rediculious amount for his services
December 30th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
TP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I doubt the Raiders fire anybody Monday. It’s more Reggie’s call. If Dennis Allen can’t man up and fire Knapp, then he needs to go, too
December 30th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Big Pep Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That last TD showed what I have been talking about, the kid has intangibles that cannot be taught….period
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this is true, I dont think C.P. makes that play. being part of the reason we couldnt score t.ds and instead were kicking f.gs
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palmer wouldn’t make that play cuz he wouldn’t need to. and he certainly wouldn’t throw that idiotic duck.
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Ive watched enough of palmer and dont want anymore of it. as a U.S.C. fan I was excited when he came here, not so much anymore and hes not geting younger. Plus he would have fell on the first sign of pressure so it would have been a f.g.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Special teams lost this game. Period.
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Yes someone understands.
Thank you Texas Raider!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Lets no get too far ahead, Yes Pryor showed some poise, but he left a lot to be desired , and there wasn’t much game film for Ds to study on him, yes he can be awesome with a legit pass caller, but he still needs a lot of work to do, almost got all our receivers killed
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Pryor is better than Leinart. Palmer is better than Pryor. On to next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Me!.. I saw potential in Pryor…. I like him at # 2 for at least another year…. Didn’t win, but Pryor was impressive enough to give me hope…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Who wins a fight if both men come in at 245? Metta World Peace or TP?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 am
14-26 179 yds 1td 1int
10 carries 65yds 1 TD
Legacy Game numbers lol
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I was close =)
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
DA throwing cold water on Pryor.
#d-bag
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
3-4 incompletes should have been caught – if he makes those, his pct and rating looks better – the pick was 1/2 DHB’s fault too.
Not saying the guy is perfect, but he can play in this league and will only get better. Plus he has heart, and this team so desperately needs that.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
9 yards short!
BLOCK THAT KICK!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
get this c@cksuckerSA outta here fast! 4-12 is bs…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
3 million for TP, or 15 million for Palmer?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
If TP6 looked OK today, then just think how he would’ve looked with a good OC (like HueJax) and players who didn’t drop the balls around him. The kid makes things happen. You can see that. Certainly, he needs to work on some things, but the whole time this staff would lead you to believe the kid could not play at all. What a bunch of morons.
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TRUTH
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3rd that
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
3#TD’s by TP. More than 2 previous weeks. Well done.
Can’t help but to wonder if we would have got that FG try before the half…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
get this c@cksuckerSA outta here fast! 4-12 is bs…
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holla!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
— If those were Palmers #s, certain poster would be having a field day with it all day long lol
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
he still has marks handprint on his face…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Go Bears lol
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Denise is stupid “He needs to get out of bounds”…he slipped ya dumbarse
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
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Our O outplayed theirs by 4 points
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
MistaBrown Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
DA throwing cold water on Pryor.
#d-bag
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The Double Agent hates Al Davis and everything he stood for. Detests him. Can the impostor!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
If TP doesnt slip at the half the game was tied
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Turf toe Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Who wins a fight if both men come in at 245? Metta World Peace or TP?
000 Metta ofcourse
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Lets no get too far ahead, Yes Pryor showed some poise, but he left a lot to be desired , and there wasn’t much game film for Ds to study on him, yes he can be awesome with a legit pass caller, but he still needs a lot of work to do, almost got all our receivers killed
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Hate agreeing with this dumbass, but you are right. Some recievers almost got their head taken off.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
cmon black guys. there are a lot of good black qb’s these days. u don’t have to defend pryor. it makes u a mockery. call for geno. but don’t act like pryor’s a good passer. it makes u look stupid. u don’t believe it. stnad up and be men. call it what it is. poor passing. ur simply not this stupid.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
wtf is doe’nt mean DA…freakin donkey…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
How I am mistic mc20? wtf ive only been posting here the last 4 or 5 years
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
— If those were Palmers #s, certain poster would be having a field day with it all day long lol
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Yeah, I don’t understand how that is a good game. Where are our standards? Also, we were losing the entire game. Some people just have a agenda and must stick with it no matter what.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Hey Dakota … Roll Tide buddy…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
3#TD’s by TP. More than 2 previous weeks. Well done.
Can’t help but to wonder if we would have got that FG try before the half…
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Exactly!!!!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Special teams screwed the pooch again….. That first kickoff… Schidt…..
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
We didn’t have to kick a single FG in the redzone……period
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Lets no get too far ahead, Yes Pryor showed some poise, but he left a lot to be desired , and there wasn’t much game film for Ds to study on him, yes he can be awesome with a legit pass caller, but he still needs a lot of work to do, almost got all our receivers killed
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Hate agreeing with this dumbass, but you are right. Some recievers almost got their head taken off.
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Streater played a hell of a game , and Pryor hung in there.
thanks for “backing your team” all season “Raider Fans”
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
400.8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Strange, but true…
If the opening kickoff isn’t returned for a TD there’s a good chance it’s 21-17 Raiders right now.
Say what you want about Tarver, but there’s no question that this defense has improved as the year has gone on.
Upgrade a few positions on that side of the ball and they could be pretty good next year.
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What people wont admit is our O outperformed theirs
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Our O had a lot of opportunities to gain yards and first downs and failed to do so. Dropped passes, errant throws, missed blocking assignments, you name it. Add to that a couple of boneheaded penalties at exactly the wrong time, and I don’t think you can really praise the overall offensive execution of the team too much.
That said, I thought Pryor showed pretty much what he should have. Impressed with his leadership and command on the field, didn’t have too many issues with clock management, and obviously made some very nice plays, both with his feet and his arm. Made some rookie mistakes, but he’s a rookie for all intents and purposes and that’s to be expected.
If he wants to compete and win the starting job next year though, he’s going to have to make a thousand throws a day of all different kinds in the offseason. If there’s one thing you absolutely have to be in the NFL, it’s accurate.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
TP played a good to great game considering it was his first professional start and first real action in 2 or 3 yrs. TP will be the real deal once he has a real OC and reps with his teammates. He brings far more t the table than Palmer. He extends plays and has the ability to run and negate a pass rush.
Very impressive first game !!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
3 million for TP, or 15.5 for Palmer?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Did Knapp get fired already?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Knapp = Fired
Tarver = Fired
Whoever the OL coach is = fired
Whoever the special teams coach is = fired
At the VERY LEAST!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
WHy do you guys wanted to win this game, the team showed fight and finished close and secured #3 pick, a win would have probably dropped us as far as #6-8 slot , 3 picks make a huge difference, between a guy like Moore who could get 10+ sacks and the 2nd best pass rusher, who would only get about 5 sacks
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
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Our O outplayed theirs by 4 points
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Last I checked, we lost. Or by your logic did we actually win the game. In fact we were losing the entire game.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I said 55% comp, 190-250 yards passing, 2 tds 1 int
6 for 65 rushing yards, 1 td
i was closer.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
We didn’t have to kick a single FG in the redzone……period
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I wonder what the difference was?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Reggie’s record as GM.
4-12
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Worst special teams season I’ve ever seen. Writers will probably grade it a B.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
hard to believe some people on here actually believe pryor played well. cmon.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I said 55% comp, 190-250 yards passing, 2 tds 1 int
6 for 65 rushing yards, 1 td
i was closer.
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U sure were
December 30th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
The Double Agent hates Al Davis and everything he stood for. Detests him.
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December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
We didn’t have to kick a single FG in the redzone……period
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We lost and pryor didn’t play that well…period
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I called it that the Knapp trick play wouldnt work and I was right. The play went for negative yards.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
cmon black guys. there are a lot of good black qb’s these days. u don’t have to defend pryor. it makes u a mockery. call for geno. but don’t act like pryor’s a good passer. it makes u look stupid. u don’t believe it. stnad up and be men. call it what it is. poor passing. ur simply not this stupid.
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No reason to even think about Geno. He is with KC.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Hoffman ….. Special teams….. Sucks
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
J, you think we can get a #1 for Palmer? What about his contract?
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No, Hue was the only one dumb enough to give up that much for him…
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and yet Hue went 8-8 with the same roster, lost his starting QB, RB, WR, and lost the patriarch of the Raiders..What’s Denise’s excuse?
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Hmm..DA’s excuse is he has man boobs and he hired Knapp?
haha
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Idiots and haters on this site. TP played well for his first start. Palmer is better but TP showed he has potential and at the very least deserves to be 2nd string. I don’t give a dam if he had 50% completion, he made stuff happen today. He had quite a few dropped balls today. CP3 gets a pass when that happens, why not TP. He made some bad throws but that’s to be expected considering it’s his first start. I like what I saw from him today. Please stop the hate.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Fire Tarver?
Dumb derelicts he is working magic with a depleted roster!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
We lost and pryor didn’t play that well…period
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He outplayed the Chargers’ Offense
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
3 million for TP, or 15.5 for Palmer?
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TP is only owed $595k and Palmer total hit on the cap is $17 mil
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
We didn’t have to kick a single FG in the redzone……period
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are u really that “pro-black”? u do a disservice cuz u lose all credibility.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Hey Dakota … Roll Tide buddy…
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blow me
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I thought TP was impressive in his first start. This guy has been taking third string snaps all season long.
Sure, he made some mistakes, they all do.
I think he showed that he can be a NFL quaterback.
I am stoked.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Good News: #3rd overall pick.
Bad News: Dennis Allen is still the head coach.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
3 million for TP, or 15.5 for Palmer??
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
That’s how I see it the kid competes and that is what I saw he brings a lot to the table. They should’ve spent more time developing Pryor if they had this team might have been a lot better.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
cmon black guys. there are a lot of good black qb’s these days. u don’t have to defend pryor. it makes u a mockery. call for geno. but don’t act like pryor’s a good passer. it makes u look stupid. u don’t believe it. stnad up and be men. call it what it is. poor passing. ur simply not this stupid.
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Geno looked like crap v. Syracuse,,and got PUNKED by Kansas St.
hilarious.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
141…. Agree with that take
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
fvck this puto danus allen…”players have to make plays…” Well let them idiot…stop doghousing them…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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he played well? 13-28 150 yards 72 rating is good to u? seriously?
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Our O outplayed theirs by 4 points
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More garbage points
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Pryor haters trying to suggest what we saw of Pryor’s first start is his ceiling capped, when really he can ONLY get better.
New mechanics sinking in, better OL, more self-confidence from 1st/2nd team reps in practice, better OC, more film study to win the pre-snap mental battle, etc.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
C’mon Mark be a man & sh!tcan Denise.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
3 million for TP, or 15.5 for Palmer?
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TP is only owed $595k and Palmer total hit on the cap is $17 mil
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Again, I need a link that shows what cutting or trading Palmer would actually save on the cap.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
red zone scoring is something we havent enjoyed all season and we get three today good job tp
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Well, I said that if TP outplayed Leinhart in this game, I’d come here and say I was wrong about him. I guess he outplayed him, even though I was looking for a 50/50ish split of snaps to judge the difference.
I predicted the following for half the game, so I’ll double that for checking against expectations:
Assuming 50ish % of the snaps we’ll see:
Pryor:
– 5-12 passing (around 40-45%), 50-60 yards, 2 INTs
– 5-7 runs for maybe 50-60 yards, most of which will be on a single play.
– One TD scored either running or passing.
– About the same odds as a TD for one fumble on either a run or in waiting too long trying to prove he’s a pocket pass early and getting drilled.
– At least 1 each delay of game, time out wasted as the clock winds down (probably called by the coach from the sideline), several cadence related false starts, and probably zero read based adjustments of the alignment pre-snap
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That’s about:
10-24 passing, 100-120 yards, 4 INTS, 1 TD
and he went 13/28 for 150, I INT and 2 TD
Passing percentage and yards per I was pretty on for, although he threw more often than I thought. Definitely did better on TD/INTs. He could just as easily have been 1 TD/2 INTs if not for a great play by DHB and he dodged another high percentage INT on that bad throw behind Reece that popped up into traffic. But that’s the way the ball bounces, in the end it was 2 and 1 and that’s a good showing.
I had him at 10 to 14 runs for 100-120 yards but he was only 9 for 49. Not nearly as effective running as I thought, although he did get the easy bootleg on a great Knapp call. Maybe he wasn’t trying to hold him back after all?
No delay of games, again exceeding expecations. He did force the coach to take one time out which had no bearing on the game. I saw ZERO adjustments of the formation or even audibles, which doesn’t bode well for the future once teams have film.
There were a few false starts and there was a lot of mention of him not doing anything to change the cadence. Some of the pass protection issues can be attributed to that as well.
There was also a series of boneheaded decision making at the end of first half where he took a scoring chance off the board by not comprehending the clock situation and make poor choices under duress.
OK, all that said. He significantly exceeded my expectations. He’s not the 100% lost cause that I thought he was. I repeat, I was wrong about him not showing any signs of starting QB potential.
He’s at least earned a chance to compete for the backup spot next season if they keep Palmer at the right price or to be traded to a team where he’s a better fit and where the Raiders can benefit from getting up to their 3rd round pick back.
The reason he should be traded is because he does need a system more attuned to his strengths and weaknesses. I don’t want to see the Raiders tailor an offense around his potential, because I still don’t see it as all that high. Dude can’t throw anything other than ducks. The Raiders want a Houston like system with cerebral, pocket passing QB. Ideally, you want all of your startes and backups at each position to have similar skill sets so that you can plug and play replacements in as needed without changing things up on the rest of the guys.
Hence, I see them sticking with Palmer (for the right deal) finding a better backup than Leinhart that is young enough to wait a season or two to start (Flynn is an option if the price is right) and getting some value back from what Pryor created to put where it’s more sorely needed, like into a drafted LB or DE project.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Da Trinity Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Idiots and haters on this site. TP played well for his first start. Palmer is better but TP showed he has potential and at the very least deserves to be 2nd string. I don’t give a dam if he had 50% completion, he made stuff happen today. He had quite a few dropped balls today. CP3 gets a pass when that happens, why not TP. He made some bad throws but that’s to be expected considering it’s his first start. I like what I saw from him today. Please stop the hate.
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his passes were really bad. it’s really that simple. lots of ducks and way-off passes. if he was white, no one would want him.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Twocents Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I thought TP was impressive in his first start. This guy has been taking third string snaps all season long.
Sure, he made some mistakes, they all do.
I think he showed that he can be a NFL quaterback.
I am stoked.
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Gives us a chance, if we can get the run game going..and Pryor IS a running game.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
fvck this puto danus allen…”players have to make plays…” Well let them idiot…stop doghousing them…
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2nd that.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I keep waiting to see Greg Knapp’s photo on a milk carton with the message:
“MISSING: HAVE YOU SEEN THIS MAN’S OFFENSIVE GAME PLAN?”
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
cmon black guys. there are a lot of good black qb’s these days. u don’t have to defend pryor. it makes u a mockery. call for geno. but don’t act like pryor’s a good passer. it makes u look stupid. u don’t believe it. stnad up and be men. call it what it is. poor passing. ur simply not this stupid.
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Just shut it
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
3 million for TP, or 15.5 for Palmer???
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
fire this fsgget DA…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Reality…. The game was decided on the opening kickoff…. Another STeams Fk up
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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Yup
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
do u people really think u saw quality passes out there today? really? i think i’m in the wrong room. how did i get to the remedial room?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
TP was making Knapp look good. They need to get a REAL OC and let TP do his thing. Rebuilding uh? Bye Palmer= $17 million
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Less than 200 total yards….lets start him in 2013!
And off the cliff goes the blog once again.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
TP def showed some stuff to be brought back but you guys are smoking something if you guys think he’s ready to be a permanent starter, use him more next year, let him gain more experience and work on his passing game, sure running with the ball can def get you a few first downs and a TDs but in the end most of the times the game is decided by ur Arm , Raiders should go with only Cp and TP next year, let him learn the game behind CP (the Mentor) 1 more year
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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Yup
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Gruden will cost a fortune.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
honestly, this room is filled with some of the most ignorant fans ever. just so dumb.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
neal and romo laughing at DA….
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
I thought Pryor showed some promise…. Without that kickoff TD the Raiders problably win this one…
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Special teams lost this game. Period.
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That is impossible but they did indeed play like crap and someone should answer for it.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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Yup
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Gruden will cost a fortune.
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Cut Palmer and they will plenty of money. LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
L Neal also not getting DA’s comments on Pryor.
Reggie/DA = Krap
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
OK, all that said. He significantly exceeded my expectations. He’s not the 100% lost cause that I thought he was. I repeat, I was wrong about him not showing any signs of starting QB potential.
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Check, check and double check
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
TP was making Knapp look good. They need to get a REAL OC and let TP do his thing. Rebuilding uh? Bye Palmer= $17 million
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apparently his “thing” is throwing lots of ducks and off-target passes.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
trying to suggest what we saw of Pryor’s first start is his ceiling capped, when really he can ONLY get better.
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yUUUUUUUUUp
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Zymurge…
Thanks for your summary above. You earned my respect back with that post. So glad to put that post of yours last night behind us (the one that disrespected Pryors learning ability).
You are a genuine observer.
But Dr Robert (Alex 7) today has proven he’s not insincere and trollish.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
McK should trade down about 4-5 spots down if he can in the draft.
Since there are 6 defender that I see the Raiders would be able to draft that would be acceptable picks:
LB M Te’o
DE/OLB D Moore
NT/DT Star
DE B Werner
OLB J Jones
OLB/DE D Jordan
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
It’s one thing to be excited about Pryor and hoping for the best in future, but c’mon, bring him back as a starter next year?? c’mon man
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Reality…. The game was decided on the opening kickoff…. Another STeams Fk up
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Also impossible.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Less than 200 total yards….lets start him in 2013!
And off the cliff goes the blog once again.
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Did he put them in a position to win?
wtf is off the cliff
they can keep Palmer
they can draft a QB
they can start Pryor
wtf is “off the cliff”? – WE WANT OUR QB TO DO WELL.
cmon, People!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Well one thing is for sure, we cant agree on everythiing in here but we can agree on one thing, is that we are all RAIDER FANS and dont forget to remind the rest of the country that there isnt a such thing as “insert favorite team here- Nation” theres only one nation biatches.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
i think i might not be back for a while, if ever. u people are just too dumb.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Reality…. The game was decided on the opening kickoff…. Another STeams Fk up
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Yup
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Please listen to the postgaem show with Romo and LoNeal the way they are talking up Pryor. It shows what the coach should have done and been doing…………..period
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
TP has 3TD’s today – Enough said. You can say all you want about how the passes ‘looked’ but this guy was able to score 3TD’s with an offense that hasn’t done it in 3 weeks – against weaker defenses. Can’t say he doesn’t belong.
Dennis Allen doesn’t belong though.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Zymurge…
Thanks for your summary above. You earned my respect back with that post. So glad to put that post of yours last night behind us (the one that disrespected Pryors learning ability).
You are a genuine observer.
But Dr Robert (Alex 7) today has proven he’s not insincere and trollish.
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did u just call me alex7? wow. no wonder u have no clue. u don’t pay attention at all.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
It’s one thing to be excited about Pryor and hoping for the best in future, but c’mon, bring him back as a starter next year?? c’mon man
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He’s under contract, he’s cheaper than Palmer (who must restructure)
so, he has a shot to compete at least or be the back up
whats the big deal?
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
i think i might not be back for a while, if ever. u people are just too dumb.
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Bye! Soooo long!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
TP was making Knapp look good. They need to get a REAL OC and let TP do his thing. Rebuilding uh? Bye Palmer= $17 million
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apparently his “thing” is throwing lots of ducks and off-target passes.
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3 TD’s !
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
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Thats what i’m saying!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
i almost wish they would go with pryor next season so u could all see what a really bad qb would look like over the season.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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Yup
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Gruden will cost a fortune.
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Gruden may cost a fortune, but it will be worth it and the organization would make that money up very quickly with season ticket sales shooting through the roof and with merchandising and marketing getting a big boost also!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Its going to be Star or Moore, the nation would be excited to get either of them but lets hope it’s Moore
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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That is so stupid it’s unbelievable.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Terrelle Pryor = Tim Tebow
Great leader, good mobility, Jr High accuracy issues.
Surround him with some talent, and we might be able to squeeze a playoff win out of him.
Either way, send Carson packing, too lifeless.
I enjoyed watching someone who looked like he gave a crap.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Pryor positives.
1.- He has some leadership skills
2.- Super athletic, not afraid to improvise
3.- Patient in the pocket not hurring things up
4.- Good at protecting the ball considering he didn’t play all year
Negatives.
1.- Bad accuracy
2.- Below average arm strength
3.- Still some lack of confidence reading the defense
4.- Poor mechanics
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Please listen to the postgaem show with Romo and LoNeal the way they are talking up Pryor. It shows what the coach should have done and been doing…………..period
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Yup pretty much saying he shoulda done it sooner
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Fire Knapp, fire Allen, hire Gruden, start Pryor.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I tell you what, the two guys who wanted to win this game the most were named Allen and Prior.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
TP was making Knapp look good. They need to get a REAL OC and let TP do his thing. Rebuilding uh? Bye Palmer= $17 million
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apparently his “thing” is throwing lots of ducks and off-target passes.
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3 TD’s !
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ok dummy. u have proven u can’t see anything but the obvious. so how about this: pryor is now officially the worst raider qb ever. .000 winning percentage.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
If Pryor had started three weeks ago, then we would know what we have.
150 yards and less than 50% completion % against a team that had no tape on you is not good enough to evaluate and go forward with this guy as a projected anything.
Right now, he is still a better WR/TE prospect than a QB prospect.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
down by 7 to start. sloppy field. rain. first start. didn’t lose his head. hung in. good guy. good instincts. fun to watch. not perfect, but norvel can coach him up!
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Fire the entire staff. New coaches assistant coaches everything. I’d even move down from our 3rd spot and pick up more draft picks. And Krapp should be arrested.
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Englander… You didn’t see the special teams give up a TD on the opening Kickoff huh?…. It happened….. Not impossible… It was real
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
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Thats what i’m saying!
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kudos to you too, and me, and fingers, and everyone else who sees this.
clearly validated he earns further grooming from the #2 depth chart position, keep palmer he’s the more seasoned player, but also they both have a very good relationship that ought to be allowed to keep growing.
Dr Robert, if you’re not alex7 fair enough, but your posting today shows you WANT to discredit pryor when clearly it was an encouraging performance that indeed validates his potential is real.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
qb is officially no longer an issue need to get young at the oline and pick up a legit#1 wr a vet that can do the job and go back to power so we can use the mchammer properly we should be blugning teams and then play action over the top
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
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Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
It really is too bad numbbuts DA and Knapp didn’t use TP more earlier in the season in certain situations.
Freakin two dimensional simpleton coaches!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
In my we probably should’ve won this game even with the drops and bad plays. It shows me this team with some much better leadership would be a much better team.
If they can get Pryor ready enough in the offseason I could easily see Pryor starting next year. He just gives this team more explosiveness. Maybe not initially but by midseason I see this kid starting.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Wow Lorenzo Neal and ROMO are crushing DA right now about his stance on pryor in the previous weeks.. basically said he has no clue
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Hey, if we had receivers that could catch the F’n ball, Pryor would have looked a lot better. But the same goes for Palmer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
the score doesn’t matter. the OC doesn’t matter. nothing matters but watching him pass the ball! it was really bad.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
i think i might not be back for a while, if ever. u people are just too dumb.
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I understand. I hear it is a real struggle. I have a brother in law who thinks he’s a car salesman. Dude couldn’t sell a piece of the Oakland Bay Bridge if you put him in a flea market. Has knapp been fired yet? What about DA? Reid has. Turner to follow.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Palmer and his pretty passes leading us to FGs????
Or Pryor and his ugly ducklings leading us to TDs????
Hmmmmmmmm
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
When they fire Norv Turner, the dischargers will get worse.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
A lot QB’s play better their first few starts.
Look at Tebow, VY, Jamarcus, Ponder, Locker. Those guys were at their best their first few starts, until you got some film on them.
Then it is up to the QB to adapt to the adaptions, and such the continual chess game begins.
Pryor’s best throws are clearly sideline streak patterns. The league will notice that and shut those downs, and he will have to learn to put some ummph on these 12-18 yard throws.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Heads will roll…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
the score doesn’t matter. the OC doesn’t matter. nothing matters but watching him pass the ball! it was really bad.
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Pryor will be all right, specially when we get some real coaches. Don’t worry dude, you’ll give yourself an ulcer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
ATTENTION
Chris in NY leads the college bowl pick em contest at the halfway point
He has successfully picked 15 of 19 winners
Norco Bob weeps
Speaking of bob where has he been?
Of yeah that’s right he is on vac in pineapple land.
Wheres Beech? Is he on vac too?
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
MistaBrown Says:
Fire Tarver?
Dumb derelicts he is working magic with a depleted roster!
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Seems we have found some common ground. I like what this defense did with a serious lack of talent.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Bring back Palmer? 15 mil for a 33 yo guy who is a pure loser? I will not sign up for that. TP gives us the best shot next year and spend Palmer’s money on guys around TP. Carson Palmer is nothing but Kerry Collins all over again. A guy who can put up numbers but could care less if he wins or loses. His motto is Just Pay Me Baby. I rather they bring back Arnold or Ryan Palmer instead of Carson. At least the golf tournament will have a decent player.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
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Thats what i’m saying!
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kudos to you too, and me, and fingers, and everyone else who sees this.
clearly validated he earns further grooming from the #2 depth chart position, keep palmer he’s the more seasoned player, but also they both have a very good relationship that ought to be allowed to keep growing.
Dr Robert, if you’re not alex7 fair enough, but your posting today shows you WANT to discredit pryor when clearly it was an encouraging performance that indeed validates his potential is real.
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sorry but no. he passes really poorly. no potential as a passer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
If Pryor had started three weeks ago, then we would know what we have.
150 yards and less than 50% completion % against a team that had no tape on you is not good enough to evaluate and go forward with this guy as a projected anything.
Right now, he is still a better WR/TE prospect than a QB prospect.
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Wrong
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I like TP. He can scramble, make plays with his feet and has passion. Cons are he floats em passes. Otherwise he can be built around. I don’t remember the last time I saw a td let alone a rush td.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I JUST HOPE THERE IS A LOT OF RAIDER NEWS TOMORROW..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
If next year’s roster has 5 WR’s, 4 of them need to be new.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
That is so stupid it’s unbelievable.
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U are in England right? thats what i figured. nuff said
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Don’t worry Pryor haters. Dennis Allen in the presser totally underplayed TP’s performance and you can tell from his attitude and body language he never wanted him to play from the start.
As long as Sharpie is the HC – Pryor will not be playing. Get ready for more Palmer next year, his contract, his INT’s, and more losing.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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This isn’t as crazy as some might want to think. Palmers play tailed off badly this year we couldn’t score TD’s so if this kid can jump off the toilet and score TD’s why not start him?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Dr R,
I thought you said you were leaving.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
McK should trade down about 4-5 spots down if he can in the draft to add another pick or two.
Since there are 6 solid defenders that I see the Raiders would be able to draft that would be acceptable picks:
LB M Te’o
DE/OLB D Moore
NT/DT Star
DE B Werner
OLB J Jones
OLB/DE D Jordan
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
150 yds and 3 TDs, or 450 yes and 3 fgs?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Heads will roll…
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Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Mitchell, Gio … that would be a good start.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Palmer and his pretty passes leading us to FGs????
Or Pryor and his ugly ducklings leading us to TDs????
Hmmmmmmmm
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geez. did u only watch highlights? do u have no ability to see how poor his passes were?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
My opinion…. Bring back Palmer….. Groom Pryor
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spot on.
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Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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get palmer to restructure if possible.
i dont think he’d refuse to tho.
the bigger picture is him and pryor continuing to work together, learn the pocket-passing game from a vet like palmer only a good thing and pryor really loves palmer, he needs a mentor, remember he lost his dad and other mentor this year.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Dont go over board on TP6, but he also deserves credit. He didnt check down once. Every third down thrown was past the 1st down marker. Marcel reece , DHB, and streater dropped way too many balls. TP6 finished in the redzone , something we havent done this year. One game isnt enough for him to be named the starter. However, he proved DA and Knapp were wrong. TP6 should have been given 3 games to be evaluated. Just another negative about the Reggie/DA/knapp combo.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Pryors play is another in a long list of reasons to FIRE Denise Allen. She’s a piss poor judge of talent who lacks leadership ability.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Lol…. I didn’t think many would agree on anything…. Never happen…. Except maybe that Knapps play calling is questionable
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
It really is too bad numbbuts DA and Knapp didn’t use TP more earlier in the season in certain situations.
Freakin two dimensional simpleton coaches!
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Two dimensional? What? I’ve NEVER seen them other than one dimensional. If that. Maybe a half demension and the other half dog poo.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Englander… You didn’t see the special teams give up a TD on the opening Kickoff huh?…. It happened….. Not impossible… It was real
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Fingers, you’re all thumbs tonight.
Obviously I saw that since I watched the fuk’n game!
It is still IMPOSSIBLW for special teams to be entirely repsonsible for losing this game.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Relentless Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I like TP. He can scramble, make plays with his feet and has passion. Cons are he floats em passes. Otherwise he can be built around. I don’t remember the last time I saw a td let alone a rush td.
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Makes plays with his feet? Sounds like a receiver.
Floats passes? Doesn’t sound like a qb, dumbass.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
the score doesn’t matter. the OC doesn’t matter. nothing matters but watching him pass the ball! it was really bad.
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What game were you watching?
Pryor hit Reece right in the hands twice and he dropped them. Pryor looking he was trying to be too carful with the ball. Not suprising considering it was his first start in the NFL.
They finally took DHB out because he couldn’t locate the ball.
Criner is better than DHB. Pryor throwing to Criner would be a better combination.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
A lot QB’s play better their first few starts.
Look at Tebow, VY, Jamarcus, Ponder, Locker. Those guys were at their best their first few starts, until you got some film on them.
Then it is up to the QB to adapt to the adaptions, and such the continual chess game begins.
Pryor’s best throws are clearly sideline streak patterns. The league will notice that and shut those downs, and he will have to learn to put some ummph on these 12-18 yard throws.
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He doesnt flinch…may have the “it” factor… perhaps he’ll adjust.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Also, that defense has come a long way. Props to Tarver and Allen for that. Desmond and Houston are beast.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
DHB seemed non too interested running any routes today.
We can’t send that guy out of town fast enough, IMO.
And too bad it only took 15 3/4 of games for Darren to start running with some passion.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
That is so stupid it’s unbelievable.
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U are in England right? thats what i figured. nuff said
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Gruden is not a young QB grooming type of HC. His offense is very complex, and he would never take this job if he was saddled by a project QB like Pryor. Sorry.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Raiders roster purge part 2 starts……now.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
A bunch of dumb fans here knocking Pryor.
He scored three touchdowns with Greg Knapp calling the plays.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
205.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Terrelle Pryor = Tim Tebow
Great leader, good mobility, Jr High accuracy issues.
Surround him with some talent, and we might be able to squeeze a playoff win out of him.
Either way, send Carson packing, too lifeless.
I enjoyed watching someone who looked like he gave a crap.
===================================================== Lets talk about the Houston texans comment you made to me this week.I said eliminated in the first round.You said they would have the first round buy.Well turns out they are the 3rd seed bud.Wrong again again aint ya? Laugh at that.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Palmer and his pretty passes leading us to FGs????
Or Pryor and his ugly ducklings leading us to TDs????
Hmmmmmmmm
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geez. did u only watch highlights? do u have no ability to see how poor his passes were?
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Pryor needed more games than this one to shut the haters. But what he showed today is that he will shut the haters, and it won’t take long.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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This isn’t as crazy as some might want to think. Palmers play tailed off badly this year we couldn’t score TD’s so if this kid can jump off the toilet and score TD’s why not start him?
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man, u lie. palmer played 3 really good games in his last 3. ur just such an idiot. aren’t u embarrassed?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Goes to show you what these local MEDIA hacks have been drinking. Straight DENNIS ALLEN PUBE KOOL AID.
Basically saying PRYOR cant play LMAO first start today and did nice! aye!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Soooo 1 more year at 17mil for Carson? Who thinks this is a good idea?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
black monday is tomorrow….DA needs to be practicing his “it” factor…..c@cksvcking…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Knapp & DA looked completely lost as to how to handle TP and call plays for him. I think thats why he wasn’t in six weeks ago. Two dumbazzes together couldn’t watch film of Cam Newton and RGIII and couldn’t find any plays to run for him? Wow. NFL really does stand for Not For Long DA and Knapp. Throw in Tarver and it’s Moe, Larry and Shemp.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Pryors play is another in a long list of reasons to FIRE Denise Allen. She’s a piss poor judge of talent who lacks leadership ability.
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Everyone who sat here and said DA was lying, keeping TP out with a lie, is a dumbass. Pryor, as it turned out, wasn’t ready. DA was right. Hard to argue otherwise.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Raiders roster purge part 2 starts……now.
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Yeah and Palmer and his $17 million owed in 2013 should be the first
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
A bunch of dumb fans here knocking Pryor.
He scored three touchdowns with Greg Knapp calling the plays.
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Not with knapp calling the plays, but in spite of knapp calling the plays. Your welcome.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
da trinity Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Also, that defense has come a long way. Props to Tarver and Allen for that. Desmond and Houston are beast.
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good post too. it wasnt all about pryor today. that D has been gelling the last month. ever since mcclain and seymour gone.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Palmer is 33 years old. Why pay him 17mil?
And I like Carson
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
tp will improve with more snaps with 1’s. timeing was biggest drawbacks today. get rid of knapp and ml,. new oc and o-line and d-line at least 9-7 with one more draft wild card. best we can exspect
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Pryor haters trying to suggest what we saw of Pryor’s first start is his ceiling capped, when really he can ONLY get better.
New mechanics sinking in, better OL, more self-confidence from 1st/2nd team reps in practice, better OC, more film study to win the pre-snap mental battle, etc.
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Don’t be so sure. Coming into this game there was no film on Pryor in a real game against starters. Now there is some. As the league adjusts, he has to show that he can adjust as well to counter. If he can’t, he’s toast.
Want an example? Cam Newton has two career 400 yards games. They are the first two of his career. In 2011, he had a total of three games over 300 and those occurred in his first four of his career. As film built up, defenses adjusted, and he became a subpar passer not able to break 300 once in his next 12 games.
Given 2012 with a whole preseason to learn and counter adjust, he was only able to break 300 three times, the highest barely over at 315. Without his running skills, that’s bottom 10 passing material. And running skills degrade as you take a beating, just ask Vick.
The point is that it gets harder from here. And unlike a rookie like Newton, Pryor has already had a full two seasons to work on things like mechanics, learning the playbooks, reading … if he’s not showing that he can throw better than he did today, it’s not getting much better from here this far in. Has Vince Young improved his passing yet? Nope, still throws noodles. Tebow? Still throws off the wrong foot. He will get better at the reads with more reps, but the mechanics don’t have a huge upside. If anything, QBs arms get weaker as they go on with their career, not stronger.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Gruden is not a young QB grooming type of HC. His offense is very complex, and he would never take this job if he was saddled by a project QB like Pryor. Sorry.
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Rich Eisen was on 95.7 the game said Gruden told him if he were to come back .. he wants a YOUNG QB to groom with mobolity instead of Older. He wants to install Read/ Option in his offense.
Papa said on air Gruden has told him that PRYOR has tons of potential just needs a gameplan for him. SORRY ????? nah
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
the score doesn’t matter. the OC doesn’t matter. nothing matters but watching him pass the ball! it was really bad.
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the score decides the game you fvcking idiot
men talking football here
not little girls talkin bout their crushes
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Raiders roster purge part 2 starts……now.
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Yeah and Palmer and his $17 million owed in 2013 should be the first
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How much money would cutting Palmer save us?
Anyone?
Anyone?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
this is awesome. u guys watched this game and think pryor’s a good qb. dumbest…fans….ever.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Special teams gave up a TD, and also pretty much scored one with the blocked point.
They weren’t the issue today.
Pryor not getting OOB in the first half, and the wobbler INT cost us points that could have won the game.
Can’t leave points on the board.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
kool kell fo
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Soooo 1 more year at 17mil for Carson? Who thinks this is a good idea?
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What’s the alternative? We have no choice. If no Palmer, we have zero chance next year. Now we know what we need with our top 5 pick. A qb.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Any firings yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Sure Palmer makes 17 million next season…. He’ll restructure …. And they already have draft picks invested in him…. I still believe he comes back…. And I saw enough of Pryor for me to believe he can develope into an NFL Qb…..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
down by 7 to start. sloppy field. rain. first start. didn’t lose his head. hung in. good guy. good instincts. many drops. fun to watch. not perfect, but norvel can coach him up!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Oh KK you must have never seen Big Ben. Foolish manchild. He mobile plays allow more play options. Like that bite on the rush td.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
If DA has any real credability (?), then Knapp and Hoffman at a minimum have to be shown the door. Absolutely abysmal coaching by both. Tarver, think in the last few games the “D” was actually starting to come around. Some of the players today are definately not starting material, but should be kept for backup duties. That’s why I think Tarver at least gets another season with better players. As far as offense TP should at least backup CP, and hopefully bring in some help for the trenches. As bad as this season has been, we will all be back here fully in September 2013 with the usual anticipation. Wishing all RAIDER NATION a very Happy and Prosperous New Year! Oh yeah, “JUST WIN BABY!”
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Some of you talk about Palmer restructuring that $17 mil. How much is he worth? Not much. They need to just move on.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Dakota Says:
Gruden is not a young QB grooming type of HC. His offense is very complex, and he would never take this job if he was saddled by a project QB like Pryor. Sorry.
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Now that is true. Gruden much prefers a ready-to-go NFL QB like Tuiasosopo.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Streater is awesome
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Dump Palmer. Use the money for three other players.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
If Allen dislike TP and the team needs to choose between the two, it’s a no brainer, DA must go.
In fact DA should be fired regardless. Sign Chucky or that interim coach from the Colts who’ll be coach of the year. He’s proven he can coach and is surely due a promotion. For dummies he was only the Colts HC, because their actual coach was ill mosy of the season.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
radraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
kool kell fo
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You got something to say to me, bich? Speak English, mthrfker.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
A bunch of dumb fans here knocking Pryor.
He scored three touchdowns with Greg Knapp calling the plays.
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Right.
ignore them, they’ve done this all year….
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
251.KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Relentless Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I like TP. He can scramble, make plays with his feet and has passion. Cons are he floats em passes. Otherwise he can be built around. I don’t remember the last time I saw a td let alone a rush td.
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Makes plays with his feet? Sounds like a receiver.
Floats passes? Doesn’t sound like a qb, dumbass.
===================================================== Stupid bastard! Leave football to the youngens idiot! Go take your blood pressure meds ya cok.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
the score doesn’t matter. the OC doesn’t matter. nothing matters but watching him pass the ball! it was really bad.
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the score decides the game you fvcking idiot
men talking football here
not little girls talkin bout their crushes
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we lost u moron. and i know more about football then u will ever possibly hope to know.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Monte Poole@1MontePoole
No joke: #Raiders offense behind @TerrellePryor outgaining #Chargers behind Philip Rivers.
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Doc rob id a racist lol
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lamar Houston is awesome
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Wonder if Jerry got out of the rain.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
1) Seymour LET THE CUTS BEGIN
2) McClain
3) Palmer
4) Kelly
5) Briesel
6) Carlisle
7) Branch
9) Giordano
10) Leinturd
11) DHB
12) Barnes
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Some of you talk about Palmer restructuring that $17 mil. How much is he worth? Not much. They need to just move on.
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That could be obvious.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lets talk about the Houston texans comment you made to me this week.I said eliminated in the first round.You said they would have the first round buy.Well turns out they are the 3rd seed bud
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No bye, but a home game against the Bengals.
Not sure why you are calling that they will be eliminated a win already.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pts scored used to mean something.
Hmmmmmmmm
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
DHB seemed non too interested running any routes today.
We can’t send that guy out of town fast enough, IMO.
And too bad it only took 15 3/4 of games for Darren to start running with some passion.
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Without DHB’s great play in the end zone, Pryor has 2 picks and only 1 TD and we’re having a completely different conversations here.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
u people are straight morons. just some of the most clueless fans ever.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
DA didn’t dislike TP.Even TP said he appreciated the way DA brought him along. Appreciated CP input. We dumped on
DA for TP not being in, but DA saw all season what we saw today. TP isn’t ready.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Is Pryor faster than Vick?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Seems to me that Prior did OK today.
I say that as someone who hates scrambling quarterbacks from Tarkenton on down.
A quarterback who counts on scrambling/running is going to get the living crap knocked out of him. A quarterback like Prior who runs and then dives headfirst is going to get maimed.
The big question about Prior today was can he pass the ball and although was he was often wildly inaccurate, seems like he showed he can do that.
On top of that he showed considerable leadership.
He also showed a whole lot of grit.
Prior did OK in his start and not once did he quit.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Palmer sucks. Pryor all day. We just need an Oline and a good coach
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Some of you talk about Palmer restructuring that $17 mil. How much is he worth? Not much. They need to just move on.
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That is the bottom line. Pryor may or may not work out. Who knows at this point? But we definitely know now that Palmer cannot be paid $13 million next season.
Thanks for the lost draft picks, Hue.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
haven’t seen Norco bob since Pryor was named starter I guess he’s out there somewhere but he aint comin’ in here no time soon……lol
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
@160 Dr. Roberts
I don’t give a dam if TP was white or black. I’m Mexican. That black and white cry baby racism crap is stupid and point less to me.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Only some Raider fans can look at 150 yards and less than 50% passes completed against a bad team and see a hero.
lmao
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Doc rob id a racist lol
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what an idiotic statement.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
#272 Zymurge…
yeah good post again.
he is a work in progress, that’s for sure, but with more 1st/2nd team reps (which he ONLY got this week in the TWO YEARS he’s been sitting) will allow him to get a lot better in the basics that he’s still learning. Mainly, the new mechanics sinking in that he can instinctively step into his throws more and put muscle into it. That will only improve his accuracy.
Let’s not forget it was raining a lot, throwing a slippery ball is hard.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Doesn’t matter who we got or who we get. Need new coaches. ’nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Why bag on DA , he’s a D coach , blame Knapp for not scoring
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Pair JON GRUDEN with TERRELLE PRYOR and watch this team go! aye!!
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Yup
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Gruden will cost a fortune.
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Gruden may cost a fortune, but it will be worth it and the organization would make that money up very quickly with season ticket sales shooting through the roof and with merchandising and marketing getting a big boost also!
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2nd that
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
No joke: #Raiders offense behind @TerrellePryor outgaining #Chargers behind Philip Rivers.
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Doesn’t matter.
“Floats” too many TDs to matter.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pts scored used to mean something.
Hmmmmmmmm
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LOL.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Yep… # 99… Houston’s turning into one of my favorites
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Only some Raider fans can look at 150 yards and less than 50% passes completed against a bad team and see a hero.
lmao
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i know. 72 qb rating. did they watch the game? just highlights?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
DHB seemed non too interested running any routes today.
We can’t send that guy out of town fast enough, IMO.
And too bad it only took 15 3/4 of games for Darren to start running with some passion.
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Without DHB’s great play in the end zone, Pryor has 2 picks and only 1 TD and we’re having a completely different conversations here.
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But he made the play , and were not.
Pryor is the future.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Soooo 1 more year at 17mil for Carson? Who thinks this is a good idea?
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What’s the alternative? We have no choice. If no Palmer, we have zero chance next year. Now we know what we need with our top 5 pick. A qb.
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KK we’re not going to the post season next year anyway. Look at what the Colts did with Manning. That 17mill can be used on a helluva lot of depth.
Why buy a crap old house when you can wait a year and buy 5?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
#272 Zymurge…
yeah good post again.
he is a work in progress, that’s for sure, but with more 1st/2nd team reps (which he ONLY got this week in the TWO YEARS he’s been sitting) will allow him to get a lot better in the basics that he’s still learning. Mainly, the new mechanics sinking in that he can instinctively step into his throws more and put muscle into it. That will only improve his accuracy.
Let’s not forget it was raining a lot, throwing a slippery ball is hard.
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hahahahahah! slippery ball. that was the reason for the floaters. did rivers throw lollipops?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Pryor says he just needs to fix his stiff wrist.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
u people are straight morons. just some of the most clueless fans ever.
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Not true. 4-12 = 4-12.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
No matter what the plan is with Pryor, got to move on from Palmer.
Lifeless, no pep, ground looker.
As soon as something goes wrong, he stares at the ground.
Body-language is huge for a QB. Pryor has it in spades.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I don’t mind that Pryor “floats passes”, Bill Walsh always insisted that his quaterbacks had touch.
Sure, I would like to see Pryor throw a bullet, but he has only one game in his resume.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
No joke: #Raiders offense behind @TerrellePryor outgaining #Chargers behind Philip Rivers.
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Doesn’t matter.
“Floats” too many TDs to matter.
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exactly.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Angry Villager with Pitchfork Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Palmer sucks. Pryor all day. We just need an Oline and a good coach
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Stick that pitchfork in your head moron then you might make more sense.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Don’t worry Pryor haters. Dennis Allen in the presser totally underplayed TP’s performance and you can tell from his attitude and body language he never wanted him to play from the start.
As long as Sharpie is the HC – Pryor will not be playing. Get ready for more Palmer next year, his contract, his INT’s, and more losing
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Tell me about it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RaiderSam,
Zymurge has been all wrong the last 12 hours
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
WOW Im reading some of this stuff on this site and unbelievable.T.Pryor played a great game today considering how much time he’s played the last two years.The hating is wrong on him.Some that are hating on T.Pryor should be quiet because thier credit on knowing talent is ZERO and they know who they are.Does McFadden ring a bell.Ha Ha-enough said.LMAO.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Anyone hear if the firings have started yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
knapp should have copied and paste redskins playbook 10 wk’s ago
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
In Detroit Pryor had three touchdowns in one and a half quarters.
Today he had three touchdowns in his first official game.
Our offense had not scored a touchdown in 26 possessions before Pryor took over.
Pryor is for real.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
u guys focus on the most idiotic stuff.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
houston standing up on 3rd downs definetly works letting him stare at the qb at eye level serves a purpose he is a beast and the qbs take notice
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
#266; You’re a moron. You obviously know little to nothing about football. You’re simply a lonely/mindless troll. This blog may be your only opportunity to converse with anyone besides your mother
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Only some Raider fans can look at 150 yards and less than 50% passes completed against a bad team and see a hero.
lmao
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i know. 72 qb rating. did they watch the game? just highlights?
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He had the longest gain last week
scored the first rushing TD in weeks and scored IN THE RED ZONE against the 11th ranked defense.
Pryor is in the mix next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I hope they fire knapp today
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
People here forget Russell Wilson can’t usually hit 200 yards and throws ints on the reg but they still are doing fine. TP will be just fine.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
only this room watches pryor today and thinks he’s a good passer. it’s high comedy.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Without DHB’s great play in the end zone
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DHBs great play?
6 threw a back shoulder throw, but DHB made a “great” play?
SMH
A “great” play would have been him going up and making a play in front of Jammer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
u people are straight morons. just some of the most clueless fans ever.
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You spell you u? And you call us morons? You dumbass waste of space POS.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Restructuring Palmer again makes absolutely no sense. It makes his cap hit over 10 million in 2014 before he plays a down and only saves 6 million for 2013.
Right now his cap hit for both years is at 4 million befor he plays a down.
You either give him a year at a 16.8 million cap hit or you cut him now period.
Smart Business either way.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
i can only hope that whoever is coaching next year is smarter than this room. well, they would have to be.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Lol…. The Democrats and Republicans have more chance agreeing than we do….. I guess that why we have a blog….. Opinions… And butts … We all got’em
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pts scored used to mean something.
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Not to these jokers. They keep talking about that top 10 offense last season. Except they were actually #16 in points scored in 2011.
They only care about yards. Fantasy football has ruined logic.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
only this room watches pryor today and thinks he’s a good passer. it’s high comedy.
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Don’t know much about football, do you?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Was that Norv in the halway?
Maybe he will come to Oakland.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Relentless Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
People here forget Russell Wilson can’t usually hit 200 yards and throws ints on the reg but they still are doing fine. TP will be just fine.
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Thats cuz Peter very carefully built his O exclusively around Wilson. Big difference. Knapp shoves the ZBS and sideways game up your pooperoo.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Billy Joe Hobert had a game like today to end his rookie year.
53%, 3 TD’s in a close lose.
Got to temper the enthusiasm, no film on ANY young QB gives him a distinct advantage.
Teams will learn he never throws when he rolls left, what his favorite throws are, etc.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Relentless Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
People here forget Russell Wilson can’t usually hit 200 yards and throws ints on the reg but they still are doing fine. TP will be just fine.
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Don’t compare TP with Russell. Russell and Pryor are not in the same league.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
In Detroit Pryor had three touchdowns in one and a half quarters.
Today he had three touchdowns in his first official game.
Our offense had not scored a touchdown in 26 possessions before Pryor took over.
Pryor is for real.
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They just are looking for the negatives,,not the positives.
a decade of losing has people scapegoating everything…Pryor is going to make his mistakes, but the athleticism is intriguing,,even the announcers said it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Somebody wake me up when knapp is fired
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
#272 Zymurge…
yeah good post again.
he is a work in progress, that’s for sure, but with more 1st/2nd team reps (which he ONLY got this week in the TWO YEARS he’s been sitting) will allow him to get a lot better in the basics that he’s still learning. Mainly, the new mechanics sinking in that he can instinctively step into his throws more and put muscle into it. That will only improve his accuracy.
Let’s not forget it was raining a lot, throwing a slippery ball is hard.
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hahahahahah! slippery ball. that was the reason for the floaters. did rivers throw lollipops?
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You just got caught out. You pretend you’re this long-time football coach. Only someone without football experience wouldn’t appreciate how difficult it is to handle and throw slippery footballs.
Btw, re-read that post, i didn’t excuse him for the wet balls, just said it’s harder, so there would’ve been a mechanical adjustment he made today, him not putting more arm and hip rotation into his throws.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Without DHB’s great play in the end zone
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DHBs great play?
6 threw a back shoulder throw, but DHB made a “great” play?
SMH
A “great” play would have been him going up and making a play in front of Jammer.
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Jhill these guys tried their best make people believe he was too dumb to make a backshoulder throw something I saw on film in his soph season.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pts scored used to mean something.
Hmmmmmmmm
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21 pts scored to 17
hmmmmmmm
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
i can only hope that whoever is coaching next year is smarter than this room. well, they would have to be.
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Agree. It is amazing we fans in here know more about football than DA and Knapp combined. Perhaps Reggie too.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Relentless Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
People here forget Russell Wilson can’t usually hit 200 yards and throws ints on the reg but they still are doing fine. TP will be just fine.
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Don’t compare TP with Russell. Russell and Pryor are not in the same league.
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Pryor isnt in Wilson’s category…but he could get there if they tailor offense to his strengths.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
only this room watches pryor today and thinks he’s a good passer. it’s high comedy.
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Don’t know much about football, do you?
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Are you saying you think TP is a good passer? You can’t be saying that, are you? Did you watch today?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
WOW did anyone just see that?? NORV TURNER intrupted a live PRYOR interview.. kinda like a BROMANCE taking place.
NORV SAID KEEP GRINDING MAN.. KEEP “GRINDING” wow NORVE FUTURE OC???
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Somebody wake me up when knapp is fired
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Amen, brother. These are the stupidest coaches I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Dakota,
What’s even more hilarious is the guy who slurps up the 450 yd ZERO touchdown performance and then blames everyone else.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
No point in arguing with start Pryor crowd, they are already mentally unstable , it would only have bad effect on you
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Norvs for OC?…. I’ve been hating on him for a while…. Being a Choker and all..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Anyone know if DA in his post game presser announced him or knapp wouldn’t be back? Reggie schedule a presser?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Somebody wake me up when knapp is fired
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Amen, brother. These are the stupidest coaches I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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And even Pryor scored in a Greg Knapp offense..he has intangibles you cannot teach..if he trusts himself and puts velocity on passes, he’s going to be good.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
You’re right KK. There is no similarities between them. One guy is 6′6 the other is 5′10.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I cant wait to watch the replay of this game in a few hours.
Sounds like TP did enough to warrant further development. He’s the lock #2 QB for next season. Has a “slight” chance at maybe being the starter, but that probably has more to do with Palmers cost than TP’s current ability.
But all in all, the potential is definitely there.
Some will support him blindly. Some will hate him blindly. And those of us true color blind Raider fans will sit somewhere in the middle.
Im really happy for the kid. He’s earned this. And now there is no way this org gets rid of him. No fvcking way.
Oh, and one other thing, I love how earlier in the week it was pretty much decided that TP was going to start, yet he told the media he was only getting like 3-4 reps in practice. Great gamesmanship by TP. Well played kid.
Bring on the Gannon connection and lets turn TP into our next great QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Palmer has to be back here next year tho, Pryor needs him because this coaching staff doesn’t want him. If not for Palmer these coaches would’ve run Pryor out of Oakland and everyone would’ve said they were right.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Can Palmer and Leinart, bring in maybe an Alex Smith like, bring back Pryor, draft a QB.
Seattle spent money on a FA QB AND drafted one.
Washington drafted TWO.
Got to have as many bullets in the chamber.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I want Norv as OC now
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Somebody wake me up when knapp is fired
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Good night Rip Van Wrinkle.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Norv letting Mark know he wants in, wants to coach Pryor/Palmer, wants to come back to Oakland and get revenge on Spanos and AJ.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
All I want is for T.Pryor to have a fair shot.Thats all,is that to much to ask for.He has a high upside that needs to fairly explored.Thats all Im saying.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Palmer will be back…. Pryor should be # 2…… … We might have all watched the same game… But that doesn’t mean we all saw the same game…… I saw enough to want to see Pryor groomed and I believe he can play Ob in the NFL
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
ROMNOWSKI / LO NEAL says pryor should be number 2 next year.
Also should develope packages for PRYOR just like SF did for Alex smith and Kapernick this year!
RZ for pryor too
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
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Norv is a really good OC. Coming back to the Raiders though is not going to happen. My guess is that Norv goes to Philadeplia as HC.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
LMFAO @ Kirk calling others dumb.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Why people hate on Pryor so much? Just don’t get it. The kid is young and strong and if he gets a legit coach to help him along, he is going to be a good one. Our current coaches have regressed him, as well as the entire team.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Palmer is without question a better passer than Pryor.
But the defense has to worry about a lot more things with Pryor that makes him not have to be as accurate.
If Pryor was 32 and making 17 million, I’d be saying dump his arsse too. Especially if his backup came off the bench and put up 3 TDs.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
ROMNOWSKI / LO NEAL says pryor should be number 2 next year.
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How about that! You finally got something right!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Norv , Norv , Norv,Norv,Norv,Norv
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Norv letting Mark know he wants in, wants to coach Pryor/Palmer, wants to come back to Oakland and get revenge on Spanos and AJ.
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I hope they are talking to him right now at the tilted kilt with a contract and pitcher of beer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Watching Niner game on DVR. Crabtree is the big game breaker.
First 1000 yd receiver since T.O.
Anyone doubt we should have taken him, instead of DHB?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
seymour and tk are the leader of the defense and when they sandbagged it so does the entire defense
houston needs to become vocal leader on the field now that those 2 losers are going to be gone
step up big man
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Can’t believe I’m saying this but this is one of the worst Raider seasons ever… This team never had a chance. Could have cleaned up betting against them…..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
#266; You’re a moron. You obviously know little to nothing about football. You’re simply a lonely/mindless troll. This blog may be your only opportunity to converse with anyone besides your mother
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Hey dumbass? you are post #338 and you reference #266? We’re supposed to go look it up? Paste it next time, dumbass.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
We get new coaches yet? Why effin wait. Eat dinner and get to work on next season. Now.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Turn, turner , turner
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Palmer is without question a better passer than Pryor.
But the defense has to worry about a lot more things with Pryor that makes him not have to be as accurate.
If Pryor was 32 and making 17 million, I’d be saying dump his arsse too. Especially if his backup came off the bench and put up 3 TDs.
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Excellent post
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
Norv is a really good OC. Coming back to the Raiders though is not going to happen. My guess is that Norv goes to Philadeplia as HC.
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I think Norv’s days as a HC are over….even he would say you were nutz lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
As a fan of al davis who would love to see his last draft pick bring us back to winning football there needs to be a reality check….
TP showed that he is a good football player today…..he also showed he is not a good QB
CP3 is the best QB the raiders have had in years and is worth the draft picks and salary……he needs a team and a qualified coaching staff
anyone who thinks gruden can work magic with TP is wrong….grudens O requires timing and precision….every play TP runs turns into a broken play
December 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Norv letting Mark know he wants in, wants to coach Pryor/Palmer, wants to come back to Oakland and get revenge on Spanos and AJ.
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That would be interesting..could keep Pryor as no.2 and turn Palmer’s career around
December 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
We need a FS ,MLB secondary depth, beast pass rusher and others
December 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Well after all year cryin’ about this dumb coaching staff I finally got something otu of this season I got to see my BABY play QB for my favorite team. And he did not disappoint………..period
December 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Watching Niner game on DVR. Crabtree is the big game breaker.
First 1000 yd receiver since T.O.
Anyone doubt we should have taken him, instead of DHB?
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Nope…except he would have been a cancer in our locker room
December 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Maybe they have to get back to Oakland before they can commence the firings. Would be kind of rough bein on the plane with your pink slip. Wait til they de-board and hand them that pink slip. Do it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
We don’t need a QB controversy man.
Do you realize how perfect Palmer would have to be to not have fans chanting for Pryor?
That’s the LAST thing we need next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
only this room watches pryor today and thinks he’s a good passer. it’s high comedy.
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Don’t know much about football, do you?
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more than u could ever know. played on the #3 team in the country, and i coach high school football.
only morons would watch pryor throw today and think over the course of a season he could do anything but suck. he threw how many ducks, wobblers, and errant throws? he was lucky it wasn’t far worse. and u lemmings go around acting like he was awesome.
dumbest……posters…..ever.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I think Berg played a decent game
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
SOME SOURCE ALLREADY SAY’N ANDY REID HAS BEEN LET GO..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
Norv is a really good OC. Coming back to the Raiders though is not going to happen. My guess is that Norv goes to Philadeplia as HC.
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I think Norv’s days as a HC are over….even he would say you were nutz lol.
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I think Norv wants to be an OC to be honest. I was referring to him being our HC numnuts….
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
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Stop with this stupid stuff, Priest. Norv wants nothing to do with us. Why would he? Especially after this year. Our defense is bad. Our offense has lots of holes. Not happening.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if half this team isn’t gone next yr……and wouldn’t be disappointed
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Diid TP look good or not?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Mark needs to fire some coaches since Reggie won’t do it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
“It would be huge to not have a new coach come in again,” right tackle Khalif Barnes said. “You want some familiarity and solidarity going into training camp, and not have to learn something new all over again.”
Can somebody tell me
1) why is this idiot offering his opinion on this subject to ANYBODY
2) what idiot is actually asking Khalif Barnes for his opinion
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Now i get to watch the best Rookie QB in the history of this great league RG3…..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
1) Seymour LET THE CUTS BEGIN
2) McClain
3) Palmer
4) Kelly
5) Briesel
6) Carlisle
7) Branch
9) Giordano
10) Leinturd
11) DHB
12) Barnes
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What you really should be talking about is cuts of restructures. The key is looking at whether guys are playing at their contract levels and if you can find as good or better for cheaper or not.
Palmer — must get down to about $5-6M/year cap hit to stay.
DMac — cut and take the $2M acceleration over the $8M cap hit
DHB — must restructure down to around $2-2.5M per year to stay
Kelly — will cost $2.3M to cut. May try to get him to restructure, but the guy will fetch $5M a year on the market, just watch
McClain — sadly a tough call. Will cost $5.3M to cut, $6.675M to keep and cut next season for cheaper. That would only leave them $1.3M to sign his replacement for the same cost. Maybe they can convince him to restructure as part of a conditional trade.
Branch — would cost $4.2M to cut after signing big bonus laden deal. But due a $3.5M roster bonus in 2013 with a $6M salary, making his cap hit over $10M. It would hurt to eat that acceleration and his play means he’s not worth $10M to anyone else next year. They could convince him to restructure and stay I think.
Briesel — long term deal means he’s staying. Get over it.
And then there are all the scrap heap guys that were discovered and that will be FAs that need to be resigned for a higher market value than they had this year:
Wheeler, Adams, Ross, Hanson
It’s still going to be a tough year under the cap constraints in 2013. They can either finish house cleaning and take another $20-25M in accelerations this year to get everything opened up and go 4-12 again, or try to go more gradually from here and start focusing on building a winner.
It’s going to be Reggie’s first BIG test, because he had a pass this season with a well known mess that was someone else’s. In 2013, it might not be all his, but it will be seen as his and the pass is gone. It’ll be real interesting to see how adept he is at getting the right guys to stay around either resigning from UFA for a good price or in getting the overpaid guys to sign the right new deals.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Well after all year cryin’ about this dumb coaching staff I finally got something otu of this season I got to see my BABY play QB for my favorite team. And he did not disappoint………..period
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ur his mom? that explains a LOT.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Our coaches tanked the season. Not the players. Anybody can see that.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Dr Robert , could arguing with idiots, your wasting your energy, tell me who would you draft at #3 now
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Did I hear Romo say bring in Tim Tebow?…. He should have his mouth washed out with soap… And fitted for a straight jacket
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Pryor is the most talented player on the Raiders.
Reece is our best running back.
Neither starts.
Dennis Allen is an idiot.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Now i get to watch the best Rookie QB in the history of this great league RG3…..
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So far, he’s not even the best rookie QB on his team. Cousins outplayed him.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Dr Robert , could arguing with idiots, your wasting your energy, tell me who would you draft at #3 now
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well, i would trade down or take teo.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I have a feeling Reggie might trade our #3 away.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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Are either of these numbers right?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
Norv is a really good OC. Coming back to the Raiders though is not going to happen. My guess is that Norv goes to Philadeplia as HC.
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I think Norv’s days as a HC are over….even he would say you were nutz lol.
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I think Norv wants to be an OC to be honest. I was referring to him being our HC numnuts…
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Wants to be an OC? After all these years as a HC, now wants a demotion?
Sometimes you just make zero sense.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
But the defense has to worry about a lot more things with Pryor that makes him not have to be as accurate.
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Yeah, like the ability to punch back and fight.
TP = heart of a lion member
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
This is exciting waiting for the announcement of fired coaches. If we woulda kept Hue there is no effin way we’d be done withour season right now. Fact. ’nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Now i get to watch the best Rookie QB in the history of this great league RG3…..
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So far, he’s not even the best rookie QB on his team. Cousins outplayed him.
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i wouldn’t go that far.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Dr Robert , could arguing with idiots, your wasting your energy, tell me who would you draft at #3 now
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well, i would trade down or take teo.
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Agree
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
392.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Turn, turner , turner
Playoffs,playoffs,playoffs.Shut up,shut up,shut up.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Our coaches tanked the season. Not the players. Anybody can see that.
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Best post of the DAY!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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I see my imposter is back. You feel special impersonating me, loser?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
But the defense has to worry about a lot more things with Pryor that makes him not have to be as accurate.
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Yeah, like the ability to punch back and fight.
TP = heart of a lion member
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yes. and arm of a girl.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
fingers Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Did I hear Romo say bring in Tim Tebow?…. He should have his mouth washed out with soap… And fitted for a straight jacket
++++++++++++++
At least then Pryor would have someone of his skill level to compete against for a backup spot…..
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I think Berg played a decent game
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Really? Didn’t he get dumped in the 2nd quarter
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Now i get to watch the best Rookie QB in the history of this great league RG3…..
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So far, he’s not even the best rookie QB on his team. Cousins outplayed him.
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Hey dumbass, did you see Pryot? Lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Norv turner just stooped by and told Pryor great job, then Pryor asked him was tghat him who was trying to text him?
Norv Turner wants to come back to Oakland…..lol
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.
Norv is a really good OC. Coming back to the Raiders though is not going to happen. My guess is that Norv goes to Philadeplia as HC.
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I think Norv’s days as a HC are over….even he would say you were nutz lol.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You think Dakota?
My guess is that he goes to Philadelphia.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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Palmer at $15M …and its not even close
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Dr Robert , could arguing with idiots, your wasting your energy, tell me who would you draft at #3 now
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well, i would trade down or take teo.
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Doesnt do any good to talk about draft picks as long as we still have the current coaches. First things first. Bring back Gruden or Hue, then talk draft.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Looks like Lorenzo Neal agrees with me.Fireing Hue came back to kick Reggie in his big fat stupid A$$! Fk him.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
392.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Turn, turner , turner
Playoffs,playoffs,playoffs.Shut up,shut up,shut up.
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u are likely the biggest idiot of all.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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Are either of these numbers right?
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No, they are not. That’s not me. That’s my dumbass imposter.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Best post of the DAY!
430.KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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I see my imposter is back. You feel special impersonating me, loser?
Who ever you are,you aint sht.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
TP @ 3 million? Or Carson Palmer at 15 million?
He’s gone
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Our coaches tanked the season. Not the players. Anybody can see that.
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Best post of the DAY!
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Biggest dumbass of the DAY!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
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Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RG3 sure was fortunate as well as Luck. They both went to good teams that have a history of doing well.
Most times #1 and #2 means Detroit, Cleveland and a team that is terrible and needs help all over the field.
I would sure hate to see RG’s talent buried for the decade.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
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hahahahhaha!!! u don’t even read before u post do u? when have i praised DA? liar. pryor’s 72 rating is awesome isn’t it? i’m gonna go on a limb and say u never played.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
We don’t need a QB controversy man.
Do you realize how perfect Palmer would have to be to not have fans chanting for Pryor?
That’s the LAST thing we need next year.
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No controversy. Palmer starts. TP is backup. Just like any of the other 31 NFL teams many have wished us to become.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
442.Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
================================================== And all 3 of these dumb a$$es predicted playoffs.Just keep reminding them of that.Dumb a$$es.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Dr Robert , could arguing with idiots, your wasting your energy, tell me who would you draft at #3 now
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well, i would trade down or take teo.
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Agree
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As a ND fan I like Teo, but I would never take him that high. If we trade back to 10-15, then yes.
Stay at three and draft Joeckel or Star, or trade down (but only if you don’t think Star or Joeckel are star players, if they are, then stay put and draft one of them @3).
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Bank-Bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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lot of sh!tty passes. show some football acumen for crying out loud.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
When Romo says stuff like get Tebow, I think the roids might have gone to his skull.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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With throws like TP made all day, the receivers would quit the team, they were that bad.
One TD was ugly and only completed due to defender falling down. Other TD anyone who wasn’t on crutches could have run in, and even at that, TP looked sloppy, and fell down short.
Throws had zero authority on them. You understand what that means, dumbass?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
442.Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
================================================== And all 3 of these dumb a$$es predicted playoffs.Just keep reminding them of that.Dumb a$$es.
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i did? ur just an idiotic liar talking nonsense. too dumb for life.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
449.dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
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hahahahhaha!!! u don’t even read before u post do u? when have i praised DA? liar. pryor’s 72 rating is awesome isn’t it? i’m gonna go on a limb and say u never played.
======================================================== Hey millionair,Im gonna go out on a limb.Your a fkn idiot.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
There will be a ton of good coaches looking for work this winter and Reg will be first in line with a fat paycheck.
Unlike years past when Al waited until the dust cleared and no one was left
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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With throws like TP made all day, the receivers would quit the team, they were that bad.
One TD was ugly and only completed due to defender falling down. Other TD anyone who wasn’t on crutches could have run in, and even at that, TP looked sloppy, and fell down short.
Throws had zero authority on them. You understand what that means, dumbass?
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this can’t be kell. way too much sense here.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
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i’m racist? tell me one racist thing i’ve said liar. cmon coward.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Anyone really things the fans are going to be chanting to see TP in next year, instead of CP?
The fans who go to the games know alot more about football than most of you. Easy to see TP has major issues throwing the ball.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
456.dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
442.Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
================================================== And all 3 of these dumb a$$es predicted playoffs.Just keep reminding them of that.Dumb a$$es.
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i did? ur just an idiotic liar talking nonsense. too dumb for life.
================================================== We all figured you were a fkn liar when you said you were a millionair,but now it is confirmed fajjit.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
15 million for Palmer or 1 million for Pryor?
Decisions, decisions
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
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ok. u have convinced me. wins and losses are the biggest thing for a qb.
so pryor is the wrost qb in raider history.
.000 winning percentage. moron.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
TP @ 3 million? Or Carson Palmer at 15 million?
He’s gone
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
TP @ 3 million? Where did you get $3 million from?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
456.dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
442.Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches. They both believe DA is a terrible coach.
Losers, like MCFadden20, Dr. Robert, Dakota and the other assorted misfits who either praise DA and/or criticize Pryor are cluesless imbeciles who have no clue what they’re talking about.
================================================== And all 3 of these dumb a$$es predicted playoffs.Just keep reminding them of that.Dumb a$$es.
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i did? ur just an idiotic liar talking nonsense. too dumb for life.
================================================== We all figured you were a fkn liar when you said you were a millionair,but now it is confirmed fajjit.
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i never said i was a millionaire. u just keep lying and lying. what a surprise.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
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Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
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did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
jokefoshow is so stupid, he needs a helmet.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
00tt00 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
As a fan of al davis who would love to see his last draft pick bring us back to winning football there needs to be a reality check….
TP showed that he is a good football player today…..he also showed he is not a good QB
CP3 is the best QB the raiders have had in years and is worth the draft picks and salary……he needs a team and a qualified coaching staff
anyone who thinks gruden can work magic with TP is wrong….grudens O requires timing and precision….every play TP runs turns into a broken play
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Gruden also values smart QBs that win with their head first, even if not as good athletically. Gannon with his weak arm in Oakland. The Johnsons, Griese, Simms with their weak everythings in Tampa. With the Eagles in 1995 he inherited a team with two running QBs, Cunningham and Peete. By 96 he had Ty Detmer starting and in 97 tried “upgrading” to Bobby Hoying.
The last thing he wants to work with is a Pryor type of QB that can’t make all of the reads nor 80% of the throws in a WCO. Pryor showed zero ability to audible into a slant or quick hitter and then throw a bullet to hit the reciever in stride on a 3 step drop. That’s the style Gruden wants and Pryor ain’t it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
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did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
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same line that palmer was miraculously able to throw for 4k yards and 22 td’s with. u guys are just moronic.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
The thing I’m upset with is there were no designed plays for TP. Well, besides the walk in TD.
There was nothing. I’m telling you, this staff wants nothing to do with the modern QB. Whatever that means these days. They are going to groom him to play straight or cut him loose.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
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hahahahahahha!!!!!!!
under 50% 150 yards. floating ducks everywhere. 72 rating. miraculous!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Dr. Nob is having another meltdown,
LOL
What a dumb troll. Correction: Racist Troll.
Still LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Dr_Robert I Love your negativity on this site.You act like you know football.If you are a Doctor then the world is in trouble,
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Who is the designated Google refresher searching for coaching change news tonight?
Any volunteers?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
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ok. u have convinced me. wins and losses are the biggest thing for a qb.
so pryor is the wrost qb in raider history.
.000 winning percentage. moron.
———————————————————–Actually,Aaron Brooks was the worst rated QB in Raider history. TP still has a long way to fill his shoes.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
4-12….wuth three of those wins against? Man Danus allen svcks sooo bad…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
the dude can’t pass. he even said how poor his throws were in the postgame. he admits it. why can’t u morons?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Best post of the DAY!
430.KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
TP at 3 million or Palmer at 15 million
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I see my imposter is back. You feel special impersonating me, loser?
Who ever you are,you aint sht.
————-
One thing I do know is if you are slow, stupid, and stink, I just might be your Daddy. Keep that in mind, dumbass.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Anyone hear if Knapp was handed his pink slip yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Dr. Nob is having another meltdown,
LOL
What a dumb troll. Correction: Racist Troll.
Still LOL
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says the coward who can’t back it up with proof. how’s it feel to be such a gutless liar?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
J, you think we can get a #1 for Palmer? What about his contract?
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No, Hue was the only one dumb enough to give up that much for him…
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and yet Hue went 8-8 with the same roster, lost his starting QB, RB, WR, and lost the patriarch of the Raiders..What’s Denise’s excuse?
Most of the players we have should not even be on a practice squad. Hue had these guys playing as hard as they could and could only squeeze out 8-8. The system that DA is running is not made for the talent that we have and when he gets some better players in the off season the team will get better. This was supposed to be a down year but they would never tell you that. FYI this is not the same team as last year either. The Raiders got rid of a lot of their starting roster this offseason.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Who is the designated Google refresher searching for coaching change news tonight?
Any volunteers?
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You just did. Get on it, bich.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Bank-Bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Dr_Robert I Love your negativity on this site.You act like you know football.If you are a Doctor then the world is in trouble,
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i know football more than the morons who think we witnessed a good qb performance today.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
465.dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
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ok. u have convinced me. wins and losses are the biggest thing for a qb.
so pryor is the wrost qb in raider history.
.000 winning percentage. moron.
======================================================= I bet u would suck a cok wouldnt ya?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Who is the designated Google refresher searching for coaching change news tonight?
—————————————————————————-
LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
4-12…..smh
December 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
MR has been MIA for too long. One of you clowns is MR.
Give it up MR. Its more fun when we know which one is you
December 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
the dude can’t pass. he even said how poor his throws were in the postgame. he admits it. why can’t u morons?
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That is exactly why he will be better. He can admit it. What he needs to get better at. Unlike our coaches who throw the players under the bus, TP can admit it. He will be a good one. Get ova it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
im not a dr but i play one on this blog…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
*************
i know more about football than ur whole family retard.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
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Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
++++++++++++++++
Ever heard of Todd Marinovich?
And what did he get done? You do know we lost right?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
===============
YOU talked football? Must have missed it.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Seeing Houston standing up on the end has me back on Star Lotuleilei at 3.
We can find an OLB in rd 3.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
the dude can’t pass. he even said how poor his throws were in the postgame. he admits it. why can’t u morons?
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That is exactly why he will be better. He can admit it. What he needs to get better at. Unlike our coaches who throw the players under the bus, TP can admit it. He will be a good one. Get ova it.
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admitting u can’t pass won’t make u a good passer. he will never be a good passer.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Neal and Rom are both former players who had long careers. They both were exceptional players. They know the game and they can easily iddentify good and bad coaches.
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So are most of the analysts on ESPN and NLF Network that people like you call stupid for pointing out how bad this teams roster is/was and how this was a bottom 5 team before the season started.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Ill have to review the tape but live it looked like Pryor has promise. Here’s hoping that either MD or Reggie breaks out the overhead in the next two days.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Zymurg nice posting
I remember Chuck being madder the heck EVERY week over his QB. Did not matter who it was and he swapped them like crazy.
Rode Simms jr so hard he played with a lacerated spleen while throwing up blood.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
465.dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Racist troll DR. Nob doesn’t like TP?
I’m not surprised. This moron thinks wins/ losses are irrelevant when evaluating a QB.
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ok. u have convinced me. wins and losses are the biggest thing for a qb.
so pryor is the wrost qb in raider history.
.000 winning percentage. moron.
======================================================= I bet u would suck a cok wouldnt ya?
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man, u really suck at trying putdowns. get a joke book or something.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Well 4-12 just like I said.MAN IM TIRED OF BEING RIGHT!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
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did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
************
same line that palmer was miraculously able to throw for 4k yards and 22 td’s with. u guys are just moronic.
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i was talkin bout the run game run blocking is a little different than pass blocking little girl
and you had to bring your ken doll huh you little fag
December 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
MR has been MIA for too long. One of you clowns is MR.
Give it up MR. Its more fun when we know which one is you
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alex7 was here all day.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
(8+8) + (8+8) = 4/12
Bring back Hue. (after the playoffs)
Bring back Cable (after the playoffs)
Bring back Gruden (like now)
December 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
.333 is a great record…for a baseball player.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
lol…analysts? these guys are overpaid loudmouths…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
******************************************
Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
*************
hahahahahahha!!!!!!!
under 50% 150 yards. floating ducks everywhere. 72 rating. miraculous!
********************************
Keeping plays alive. Running for first downs. Throwing touchdowns. Running for a touchdown. Deserves more opportunities!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
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did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
************
same line that palmer was miraculously able to throw for 4k yards and 22 td’s with. u guys are just moronic.
===================================
i was talkin bout the run game run blocking is a little different than pass blocking little girl
and you had to bring your ken doll huh you little fag
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man, ur stupid.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is an attention seeking whore.
Pathetic racist troll.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Proof Denise is a moron.
https://twitter.com/raiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
pay attentions kells and ill learnya a thing or two bout some football
December 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
vLTR Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
******************************************
Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
*************
hahahahahahha!!!!!!!
under 50% 150 yards. floating ducks everywhere. 72 rating. miraculous!
********************************
Keeping plays alive. Running for first downs. Throwing touchdowns. Running for a touchdown. Deserves more opportunities!
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losing.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Romo sucks bigtime he has already thrown 2 picks…..lol
December 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is an attention seeking whore.
Pathetic racist troll.
**********
says the coward who won’t step up to the challenge. punk puzzy.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
honestly, this room is filled with some of the most ignorant fans ever. just so dumb.
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Folks looking for something to hang their hopes on during the long off-season. So predictable. And so likely to go off the rails. Pryor gets to compete next summer, that’s all he earned today. Palmer will need to restructure, which he is likely to do given his age.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
496.KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
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YOU talked football? Must have missed it.
==================================================== Ide slap the taste out your mouth and the wrinkles off your face.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
grow some nuts mark…fire the three stooges!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I know dr robert in your world three tds is poor.LMAO.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
actually enjoyed listening to Steve Tasker’s announcing of todays game. An unheralded, non-prima donna player, who actually knows the game of football. Refreshing!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: McKenzie may keep Gregg Knapp and Tarver. Allen and McKenzie to talk about it Mon
*****
NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Could have run fo 150 yards or more with a RB with some vision.
D-Mac left TONS of yards on the field, got a lot of great run-blocking and did nothing with it.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah.
McFadden just doesn’t have the body or the desire to run down the middle.
McFadden works OK as a back when he’s got someone like Bush alternating with him and pounding the hell oout of the defensive line.
Bush may not have got that many yards but he sure as hell softened ‘em up.
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did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
505:
This game?
It’s been the same all year and has this guy EVER played a whole year?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Romo sucks bigtime he has already thrown 2 picks…..lol
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But his other passes sure are pretty, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
opening kickoff for a td….ross slow as sh!t
December 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
DA poutting…on the sideline
December 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
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Maybe so. But you’re here too.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
but we have players that play spt…
December 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
At least your can’t blame Al anymore. Now that the season is over it’s all on Reggie now. You give Palmer anything more than league minimum you overpay for a pure loser (Oh but he can throw for 4K). Get rid of all the dead weight (i,e Seymour), dump the worthless pieces of crap with as little damage as possible (McClain, Palmer) restructure every swinging d&ck who doesn’t deserve even close to what they think they are (Dmac, Branch, DHB). Everyone else is on a short leash including DA, Tarver and Knapp. Build this team around the young guys you got who really wanna be here and really wanna win (TP, Reece, Denarius, Streater, Wiz, Meyers, Wheeler and Burris)
December 30th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Chris Simms was a pretty good QB for Gruden too.
Plunketthead is right, Gruden was never happy with any QB. They dont make Gannon’s too common. They dont come around often.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
511.Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
your fvcking annoying dr rob your like a little girl begging for attetion why dont stfu already were talkin football not barbie dolls
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He is an attention seeking whore.
Pathetic racist troll.
======================================================= Yous better watch it.He’s fixen to tell you how he is 6′2 250 lbs and makes millions of dollars.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
$$$$$$$$$
Like you and gangsta pudding aka Oak.
You Monkeys are crazy.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Ill have to review the tape but live it looked like Pryor has promise. Here’s hoping that either MD or Reggie breaks out the overhead in the next two days.
>>>
I agree. First half he looked pretty awesome except not getting out of bounds for the FG.
2nd half he looked borderline horrible.
And he sure likes to loft the ball.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
You guys arguing about DMC really need to re-watch this game. And then go look at youtube clips of him from his first two seasons. It’s nite and day. He’s not nearly as quick or aggressive.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
well maybe next week we will….oh wait…thanks reggie.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You’re not wrong. And calling you a racist for criticizing a quarterback is good example of that.
Just keep expressing your opinion man and tell them to get fuk’n lost.
Personally, I think Prior did OK but I don’t see him as the starter.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
This site is out of control and the hating of T.Pryor is stupid.T.Pryor puts up three TDs and some are still not happy,Even after not playing for two years,Three touchdowns and some drops aren’t good enough.ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
******************************************
Had he thrown 3 ints they would’ve thrown a party…..they are hating hard but the more they do the sillier they look.
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
================
Got it done?
46% passing is not getting it done.
150 yds for a full game? Not getting it done.
72 qb rating isn’t getting it done.
His rating would be 45 if not for some circus catches receivers made.
I remember someone saying the only stat that matters is Wins, that TP was a WINNER. Oh yeah, that was you.
TP failed there as well.
We were wrong Priest. I have the balls to admit it. Do you?
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Every fan wants a coaching overhaul. Reggie needs to know that.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Fire Knapp. Hire Norv
Get a legitimate pass rusher
Cut that crap Jamarcus MccLain
Get a decent middle linebacker in draft or FA
Get a veteran WR
Keep Palmer and make him restructure contract
Terrell P 2nd string
Cut Seymour
Cut Kelly
Cut/trade Jano
Cut/trade Lechler
And maybe if the trade is worth it trade Mcfadden.
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Tarver deserves to stay. He and DA will put together a defense that will be feared across the Country.
The defense especially the run D has played great lately without primadonna Seymour the 15? million dollar hot tub warrior
December 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
opening kickoff for a td….ross slow as sh!t
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#35 Chekwa looked real fast coming from the opposite side of the field. Another 5 feet and he had the charger ball carrier.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
The guys at ESPN and the NFL Network are loudmouths but we should take what Romo and Neal say as gospel.LMFAO.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Bank-Bank Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Dr_Robert I Love your negativity on this site.You act like you know football.If you are a Doctor then the world is in trouble,
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i know football more than the morons who think we witnessed a good qb performance today.
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I saw a lot to like. If TP doesn’t scramble around on that last TD I doubt Moore is that wide open. He does bring that element. He also ran for a few first downs and as usual..the receivers didn’t help with those drops.
I don’t come away feeling we have our savior QB though; but I give him credit for his performance given it was his first start and i’d say he’s better than Leinart. Might not say much, but you see too that we need HELLLLLLP at receiver.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches?? And you jerks want to get rid of Palmer? KoolKell’s infamous noun is very befitting of you guys.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
sandy eggos knows to contain mcfadden cuz if he goes off its over but he is a power scheme runner too big for zone and he doesnt like all the bodies by his legs the sh1t bothers him it sucked to see him try to get off but just couldnt
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Im surprised the Raiders didn’t win more games this year with such a good punter on the roster.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Does Reggie have the nuttsack to fire knapp? We will be much better if Gruden comes here as HC. The learning curve for DA and Knapp is so big that a platoon of mountain lions couldn’t pull their overloaded sled. Oh mercy. We are lost at sea.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Raider O,
Just so we’re keeping score…
Pryor has worked himself into the legitimate #2 QB by just his second year. Score one for you.
He’s also going to be an even more solid #2 by next season. And for 2014, he’s pretty much our starter at the rate he’s shown growth since first getting here.
So, he’s a year to two years ahead of where I stated he would be. I thought it would take 4-6 seasons. It looks like it will only take 3-4 seasons of grooming for him to be ready, score another for you.
Knapp made it the whole year…. score one for me.
And it looks like he and the rest of this staff might be here next year….. which would score another for me.
(disclaimer: Its not like Im rooting for this staff. Its just that from the gametape, I see they are not the problem and I think the management knows this).
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
these guys dont coach….
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Our offense scored 51 points in 4 games, no TDs the last 2 weeks, TP scores 3 TDs today, and this retarded monkey aka Dr. Nob thinks TP sucks.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Tarver deserves to stay. He and DA will put together a defense that will be feared across the Country.
The defense especially the run D has played great lately without primadonna Seymour the 15? million dollar hot tub warrior
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Interesting that our D was much better w/o McClain and Seymour out there.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
sandy eggos knows to contain mcfadden cuz if he goes off its over but he is a power scheme runner too big for zone and he doesnt like all the bodies by his legs the sh1t bothers him it sucked to see him try to get off but just couldnt
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Hey, dumbass. School would have helped you not sound like a moron.
Then again, maybe not.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Aphid Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches?? And you jerks want to get rid of Palmer? KoolKell’s infamous noun is very befitting of you guys.
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Well said.
I say keep all 3 QBs for next year.
Just rearrange the depth chart. TP is the clear #2.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Romo sucks bigtime he has already thrown 2 picks…..lol
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But his other passes sure are pretty, lol.
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lol
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
TP would hit nothing but net if you throw a basketball goal out there.
That was not the long bomb, it was the high bomb
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
533.Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
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Like you and gangsta pudding aka Oak.
You Monkeys are crazy.
==================================================== Dillusional huh? Ive been right all season step by step. DR.ROBERT might be a moron but he doesnt wear a red dot on his forehead you fkn flying carpet monkey.I’ll fkn k you!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
3 million fr TP or 15 million for Palmer?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
yeah they were raiders too not like the other ex donkeys/cowboys…
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Aphid Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches?? And you jerks want to get rid of Palmer? KoolKell’s infamous noun is very befitting of you guys.
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Yeah they don’t need to spend $17 mil to have Palmer be a coach. That would be the new “REAL” OC’s job.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
You guys arguing about DMC really need to re-watch this game. And then go look at youtube clips of him from his first two seasons. It’s nite and day. He’s not nearly as quick or aggressive.
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McFadden, Moore, DHB, Palmer….they all knew there was no chance starting from day 1. Their hearts were not in it. Get a new OC before you give up on talented players.
No one in here would have thought about trading most of these guys last season.
Don’t let Knapp’s stink ruin our young guys.
Norv would have had this offense running up big numbers this past season.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
3 million fr TP or 15 million for Palmer?
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Were are getting 3 mil? TP is due 595k in 2003 and Palmer’s hit on the cap is $17 mil total.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
2013
December 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
We all owe CP3 a lot of respect here for what he did to help TP today.
Even the most loyal TP fan should not be chitting on Palmer.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
how the fvck does tarver deserve to stay…fvck that puto too….worse fvckin defense in forever…chucky b could teach this dumbaszs something.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
So, he’s a year to two years ahead of where I stated he would be. I thought it would take 4-6 seasons. It looks like it will only take 3-4 seasons of grooming for him to be ready, score another for you.
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You win. Dumbest post of the year. With one day left, it’s a lock.
4-6 seasons? GTFOH, you dumbass. 4-6 SEASONS?? This isn’t golf, it’s football, you idiot.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
The GOOD NEWS is we have the # 3 pick in the draft.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
DJ
that’s good point. They will do much better when the players fit the scheme. I heard Tarver gets along real well with the players.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Aphid Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches?? And you jerks want to get rid of Palmer? KoolKell’s infamous noun is very befitting of you guys.
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Well said.
I say keep all 3 QBs for next year.
Just rearrange the depth chart. TP is the clear #2.
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This is pretty much how I see it, but if the double agent continues to disrespect Pryor he has to go. he has tried to undermine this kid since the moment he saw him. That can’t continue.period
December 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
The double agent is in deep doodoo…
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You mean the rookie that was drafted in 2011 and has had two seasons to prepare?
- JaFatass was 23-31-224 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT in his first game. Much better completion percentage, more yards. Pryor has the TD/INT edge (with a lot of help) so yes, this was AS GOOD. Oh, and he was actually a rookie that year. and HE WAS THE BIGGEST BUST OF ALL TIME!!!
The Raiders haven’t done a whole lot of QB drafting for the decade prior, so there’s not a lot of depth to check against beyond that. Andrew Walter had a brief look of being successful and got people excited. Everyone loved the natural winner in side Marques Tui but he too had a noodle arm that didn’t pan out. We can go back to Billy Joe Hobert if you want to jump in the way back machine, but do we really want to go that far?
In the end, this was a so-so debut. Statistically, not shabby. It would have looked better if I didn’t watch the game. The fact is, he showed none of his famous explosive running ability and then also showed just how poor of an arm and/or throwing footwork that he has. He had accuracy issues, poor decision making, and did nothing mentally to keep the defense guessing.
It’s hard to get excited about this unless you were already so excited by his potential that you are blind to what you actually just witnessed. It doesn’t matter how badly you want him to be better because, unless you can sprinkle in some fairy dust, those wishes won’t translate to a better QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Aphid Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches??
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His coaches installed the game plan, went over it in classroom sessions, and conducted practice with Pryor getting plenty of reps with the first team offense.
Carson Palmer was playing his role as a good teammate and veteran mentor by helping Pryor with his “homework”.
Not sure what you’re getting at there.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Aphid Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
To all those Palmer haters, read this:
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Pryor said Carson Palmer was a tremendous help, went through the game plan w/ him, gave Pryor 6 pages of notes and broke down Chargers film.
Where the hell were his coaches?? And you jerks want to get rid of Palmer? KoolKell’s infamous noun is very befitting of you guys.
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Interesting although I don’t think that is any different from last year’s coaching when Palmer often seemed like the only one coaching the receivers.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
15 million for Palmer or 3 million.for TP?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Riff,
LOL
You were right about Knapp just like you were right about our 1st pick, but I still think both are bad decisions.
We all win with TP.
I’m impressed with his progress too. He did a few good things. Improved his accuracy, Good pump fake, and better decision making.
TP!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
505raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
sandy eggos knows to contain mcfadden cuz if he goes off its over but he is a power scheme runner too big for zone and he doesnt like all the bodies by his legs the sh1t bothers him it sucked to see him try to get off but just couldnt
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Hey, dumbass. School would have helped you not sound like a moron.
Then again, maybe not.
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just dont care to be all proper and sh1t on a blog dont get your feelings hurt
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Make Pryor the starter right now. Build the offense around him with a signal caller who understands.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
If DA saw Knapp as a good OC and didn’t see that Pryor was at least ready to be the number 2, he has no vision.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
KK high on colt 45’s again.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
.Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
You guys arguing about DMC really need to re-watch this game. And then go look at youtube clips of him from his first two seasons. It’s nite and day. He’s not nearly as quick or aggressive.
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McFadden, Moore, DHB, Palmer….they all knew there was no chance starting from day 1. Their hearts were not in it. Get a new OC before you give up on talented players.
No one in here would have thought about trading most of these guys last season.
Don’t let Knapp’s stink ruin our young guys.
Norv would have had this offense running up big numbers this past season.
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Moore, DHB, and DMC dropped way too many balls and ran way too many lazy routes and mess up too many damn audibles to EVER complain about anyone except looking in the mirror. Sorry. Spade is a spade.
If those 3 players did there jobs this years we’d have 4 more wins.
DMC came out swinging in week one and then threw in the towel after schittsburgh. I dont know why, but lets not blame the coaches, as long as his checks were clearing, he should have been doing his job.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
3 million fr TP or 15 million for Palmer?
KK, restructure. You keep assets and dump liabilities. I’m sure Carson will be willing to do it. Those two make a nice combo. Just my opinion.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
If you are a long time true Raider fan you know damn well that we will never win a title with Palmer. We’ve seen this guy before, but with a lot better teams behind him. Marc Wilson, Jay Scroeder, Jeff George & Kerry Collins. All big, strong arm guys who were textbook pro QB’s. All were pure losers who even with good teams around them found a way to screw things up. Carson Palmer is the same guy with a crappy team and coaching staff around him collecting his 15mil. Right now he is laughing his azz off thinking about that ridiculous check his will be picking up Tuesday and how he will spend all that money. He doesn’t care win lose whatever. So those of you who keep wanting the same guy back year after year loss after loss, check after check. Pay Palmer for another losing year and the fan base will show their feelings Reggie & Mark.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
15 million for Palmer or 3 million.for TP?
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GTF outta of here with that mess. Stop making up numbers.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
All signs point to Allen staying the only way that changes is if Mark Davis steps in and over rules McKenzie. Doubt that would happen
48m Oakland Raiders News Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report: McKenzie may keep Gregg Knapp and Tarver. Allen and McKenzie to talk about it Mon
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
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If McKenzie wants to keep Knapp, if Allen wants to fire Knapp, but if Allen doesnt want Pryor…that’s one messed up situation. If Mark needs to over-rule someone and/or fire someone, he ought to fire both then. As it’s not a win-win situation the way it stands.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Zy
I thought he looked real quick on a few plays when he needed to move. He gobbles up yards in a flash
December 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
CARSON = CANCER
December 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Make Pryor the starter right now. Build the offense around him with a signal caller who understands.
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Yes and use the $17 million Palmer salary for some “Players”. Raiders are rebuilding……
December 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
burris another missed tackle…
December 30th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
The ONLY reason I would consider dumping Palmer is his 17 million dollar salary.
Well, a 2nd reason would probably be a first rd pick.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
3 million fr TP or 15 million for Palmer?
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Hell.. I’ll do it for free!
This makes about as much sense.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
you got it RaidO. Finally someone with some sense on this blog.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
If you are a long time true Raider fan you know damn well that we will never win a title with Palmer. We’ve seen this guy before, but with a lot better teams behind him. Marc Wilson, Jay Scroeder, Jeff George & Kerry Collins. All big, strong arm guys who were textbook pro QB’s. All were pure losers who even with good teams around them found a way to screw things up. Carson Palmer is the same guy with a crappy team and coaching staff around him collecting his 15mil. Right now he is laughing his azz off thinking about that ridiculous check his will be picking up Tuesday and how he will spend all that money. He doesn’t care win lose whatever. So those of you who keep wanting the same guy back year after year loss after loss, check after check. Pay Palmer for another losing year and the fan base will show their feelings Reggie & Mark.
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Do you believe Pryor gives us a better shot?
lmao
December 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above.
If that is true then DA needs to FIRED Monday.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Don’t listen to that twitter feed. It’s bogus.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
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He suffered threw Teblow last year, lol.
Was still having nightmares about the possibilities.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Out of respect for his father Mark needs to make sure Pryor has a chance to be in the Raiders future.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Riff,
LOL
You were right about Knapp just like you were right about our 1st pick, but I still think both are bad decisions.
We all win with TP.
I’m impressed with his progress too. He did a few good things. Improved his accuracy, Good pump fake, and better decision making.
TP!!
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From the start, both you and I (and others) never disagreed about TP’s potential or his work ethic or his deamenor.
It was always about how raw he was and just how far he really had to climb to be a legit NFL QB.
I dont think I was wrong about how raw he was this past offseason, but I did underestimate just how hard he could work and how fast he could make up ground. He’s made a TON of progress. For all the idiots that have bashed Defilno (the QB coach) they really should eat crow and apologize. He’s done a LOT of work with TP. I’d say that in this one season, TP, Palmer, Knapp, and John Delifino have taken TP and turned him from a raw college freshmen level talent and made him a legitimate #2 in waiting for 2014.
And yeah, we’re all winners with this guy. The way he took command, yelled at lineman, and pulled Goodson out of the scrum, he’s a born leader with some spunk.
It’s time for Palmer to take off the kid-gloves and hand TP over to Gannon for some hard nosed tutoring to help accelerate things.
The great thing is that the cat is out of the bag. We know exactly what we have in this kid. We dont need to draft a QB. This is the guy worth developing. The debate is over. Lets move on to another subject.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Mark is a fan,not a football person.Hope he keeps his nose out of it.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
If you are a long time true Raider fan you know damn well that we will never win a title with Palmer.
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Well that describes me and I think you’re wrong.
You are also a condescending twat.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
The question is not who the better QB would be next season. That would be Palmer by a longshot.
However, Palmer’s 33 and beat up physically.
The REAL question is who the better QB would be in 2-3 years, when we’re ready to make a deep playoff run. That MIGHT be Pryor. Today he showed, at the very least, that he is a legitimate NFL quarterback. Reggie and DA may decide to go with him.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
.Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
You guys arguing about DMC really need to re-watch this game. And then go look at youtube clips of him from his first two seasons. It’s nite and day. He’s not nearly as quick or aggressive.
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McFadden, Moore, DHB, Palmer….they all knew there was no chance starting from day 1. Their hearts were not in it. Get a new OC before you give up on talented players.
No one in here would have thought about trading most of these guys last season.
Don’t let Knapp’s stink ruin our young guys.
Norv would have had this offense running up big numbers this past season.
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Moore, DHB, and DMC dropped way too many balls and ran way too many lazy routes and mess up too many damn audibles to EVER complain about anyone except looking in the mirror. Sorry. Spade is a spade.
If those 3 players did there jobs this years we’d have 4 more wins.
DMC came out swinging in week one and then threw in the towel after schittsburgh. I dont know why, but lets not blame the coaches, as long as his checks were clearing, he should have been doing his job.
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When players have their hope taken away before the season even starts, they rarely perform up to par. These players were not dumb, they saw what the clueless coaching staff did to them.
You probably thought Randy Moss was done after his couple of years here too?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
If you’re a DC, you’ve got to keep the ball out of of TP’s hands
December 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
533.Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
this blog is filled with the most delusional idiots known to man.
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Like you and gangsta pudding aka Oak.
You Monkeys are crazy.
==================================================== Dillusional huh? Ive been right all season step by step. DR.ROBERT might be a moron but he doesnt wear a red dot on his forehead you fkn flying carpet monkey.I’ll fkn k you!!
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Gangsta Pudding,
LOL @ flying carpet monkey.
I’ll effin K you too.
You monkeys need to be “K”ed.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
how the fvck does tarver deserve to stay…fvck that puto too….worse fvckin defense in forever…chucky b could teach this dumbaszs something.
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If you didn’t see a improvement from game to game as the season went along then your blind! He was working with other coaches crap from last season and was a new scheme.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
KoolKell Says:
Watching Niner game on DVR. Crabtree is the big game breaker.
First 1000 yd receiver since T.O.
Anyone doubt we should have taken him, instead of DHB?
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Nope…except he would have been a cancer in our locker room
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Irvin was a cancer in the locker room too. he even stabbed a teammate in the neck with scissors. But they won Super Bowls. I’ll take a prima donna who makes plays.
DHB sucks is a bust given his draft position. Only fools are still defending that #7 overall pick.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Dakota,
Pryor was able to make something (21 POINTS) outta Krapp’s offense by extending plays, running, etc.
Certainly things that Krapp’s plays were going to produce on his own.
Did you see how McFadden had a little more space to run with the D worried about Pryor?
Do you even think he should be #2?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Knapp better not stay!!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Need to restructure Palmer’s contract and make him Pryor’s QB coach. Have him start working on Tuesday.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
DHB sucks is a bust given his draft position. Only fools are still defending that #7 overall pick.
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The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree. Our first two picks of that draft (DHB and Mitchell) were laughed at, and rightfully so.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
The question is not who the better QB would be next season. That would be Palmer by a longshot.
However, Palmer’s 33 and beat up physically.
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That true.
He got fouled big time and has the ribs to show for it.
Credit to Kelly for trying to make it right.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
did you guys not see all defenders in the backfield whenever he got the ball the blocking is horrible theres bodies everywhere power with alead blocker thats where he is a beast dont come with that he ran it in college crap this is the pros not college
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same line that palmer was miraculously able to throw for 4k yards and 22 td’s with. u guys are just moronic.
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i was talkin bout the run game run blocking is a little different than pass blocking little girl
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The less knowledgeable here don’t seem to understand how important the QB is to the running game. Just watch Peyton Manning assess the LOS, move the blocking around, and then magically send no name RBs behind nameless linemen for consistent gains. You read the defense, spot the weakness, adjust the play.
Palmer was doing this on DAY 1 off the couch last year.
Pryor did this exactly ZERO times today. He’s as culpable for the weak running game as the rest.
To DMac’s credit, it looks like the ran almost pure PBS when he was in there. They did run outside as much as in, but it was all zone stretch. There were some good old fashioned end arounds in there as well. The problem is that this is not a power blocking line due to lack of size and strength and that Pryor wasn’t helping them out by finding the soft spot.
The reality is that the run game was at it’s best with the same line — no, according to you all a weaker line with Breisel in it — and guys not wearing #20 on their back. The combination of a smart reading QB, an OL working together on the same system and a RB that can wait and read, and you average 4.9 yards per carry.
Pryor had the better line today, he faced a weak run defense on sloppy turf that favors the offensive running game, had DMac in his best scheme and then failed to do his part. Yet it’s everyone else’s fault.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above.
If that is true then DA needs to FIRED Monday.
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Of course it’s true…DA cares more about his public persona & stubbornness than winning football games.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
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Knapp’s gone by tomorrow at the latest.
DA is still here, and rightfully so.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
The great thing is that the cat is out of the bag. We know exactly what we have in this kid. We dont need to draft a QB. This is the guy worth developing. The debate is over. Lets move on to another subject.
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Exactly.
We have a good young QB who we can develop, and we have a solid vet in CP. Let’s fix our defense, and add impact Players.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Let’s keep in mind that Henry Wofford said a couple days before Hue was fired that he was a lock to stay.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We have never had a rookie QB play as well as this kid just did yet it was good enough. And they call themselves Raider fans. What that kid did today was against ALL ODDS and yet he still got it doen no excuses he just got it done.
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Just got it done? We fvcking lost. I’m not saying he sucked but don’t make it seem like we won by 30 points.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
edit #611: er, it was NOT all zone stretch when they ran outside. That missing word kinda changes things.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Carson at 15 million or TP at 3 million?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
buncha cheap guys in here…lets field 22 washed up free agents on 1 year contracts….that will save other peoples money!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Need to restructure Palmer’s contract and make him Pryor’s QB coach. Have him start working on Tuesday.
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LOL.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
England are you drunk or do you live over in Jolly Ole? You honestly think the Raiders will win with Carson? They have a better shot with Carson Daly at QB or even John Daly. Have you been nipping at DA’s little Kool Aid bottle? Stick to being a wanna be hooligan at your gay azz soccer matches. Yes I do enjoy a good twat ever now and again, but you sir are what we call in the US an IDIOT!!! I shall rename you England Clark Griswald.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Honestly,the way he threw the ball today it is easy to understand why Allen didn’t think he was ready.Some of the things he did you aren’t allowed to do in practice-like run around and keep plays alive.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Dakota,
Pryor was able to make something (21 POINTS) outta Krapp’s offense by extending plays, running, etc.
Certainly things that Krapp’s plays were going to produce on his own.
Did you see how McFadden had a little more space to run with the D worried about Pryor?
Do you even think he should be #2?
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#2? Sure. If your #1 goes down your season is over no matter what, so I could live with Pryor as the #2.
If you want to start Pryor, then you have already given up on 2014.
I wouldn’t mind getting the #1 pick in 2014, but even I am not throwing in the towel on next year yet. Start Pryor, and the 2014 season is already over.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
One play I saw it looked like DHB actually pulled his hands away from the ball like it was a grenade or something.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Need to restructure Palmer’s contract and make him Pryor’s QB coach. Have him start working on Tuesday.
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They can bring in Gannon for a whole lot cheaper.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Lo Neal was right. The Raiders would not have played this bad even if Hue did not have full control of the team like DA. Hue would have done much better with this exist team.
If DA does not give Pryor a chance to compete and possibly start next year he is not worthy to remain as the HC. Pryor without a doubt should be a number 2 QB. The Raiders need to rid themselves of an inferior Palmer look alike in leinart and find a QB diamond in the rough as the third QB.
I have been talking all season long about how DA should spend his time assuring up the specials but DA could not even improve the aspect of the Raider’s game.
Pryor adds much more spark than coach Allen. I hope coach Allen does not try to put out Pryor’s fire because the way Allen talked at the presser it was not positive motivation for Pryor.
Upside: Pryor
Downside: 4-12
December 30th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
mcfaddens is entering his cadillac years slowing down settling into body but still has all the torque and power and thats good always thought he never let plays develope and was always tried to use his speed
but honestly i would rather cut him than see another of him in the zbs its like watching a lion at the zoo rather see him in the wild eating a zebra or a poser
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Why the Fack would we keep Knapp as our OC?? I think we’ve all seen his inabilities to get us to score or even convert a 3&1, his play calling is vanilla at best…,
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
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Knapp’s gone by tomorrow at the latest.
DA is still here, and rightfully so.
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Exactly, still waiting for you Denise apologists to tell us what he has succeeded at.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Palmer was doing this on DAY 1 off the couch last year.
Pryor did this exactly ZERO times today. He’s as culpable for the weak running game as the rest.
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Huh?
Palmer and DMac didn’t play together last year.
Palmer responsible for DMac’s bad running the first 15 weeks?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Somewhere Hue Jackson is laughing his ass off at us. ..4-12…wtf???
December 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Did they fire knapp yet
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
palmers salary is really not out of whack for a QB…palmers real number for next year is $13M….
1Peyton Manning at Quarterback $17,000,000
2Tom Brady at Quarterback $15,208,120
3Eli Manning at Quarterback $15,190,475
4Matthew Stafford at Quarterback $14,533,333
5Mark Sanchez at Quarterback $14,250,000
6Tony Romo at Quarterback $14,030,000
7Philip Rivers at Quarterback $13,992,857
8Michael Vick at Quarterback $13,900,000
9Matt Ryan at Quarterback $13,000,000
10Carson Palmer at Quarterback $12,500,000
11Ben Roethlisberger at Quarterback $11,670,000
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Pryor definitely changed my opinion of him today. I think he should absolutely be the #2 behind Palmer next year. He still needs a lot of work on his mechanics. He did an outstanding job today, and definitely earned the right to stick around. Get a better qb coach to really pound on the passing mechanics and he could be very good.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
If you want to start Pryor, then you have already given up on 2014
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And starting the same QB who won 4 games this year tells us what about 2014?
Same RB starting tells us what?
#5 pick?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
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Knapp’s gone by tomorrow at the latest.
DA is still here, and rightfully so.
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On what fking planet has Dennis Allen earned the right to coach another season on Oakland? On what fking basis other than “for continuity’s” sake?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Palmer@15 million or Palmer at 15 million?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Exactly, still waiting for you Denise apologists to tell us what he has succeeded at.
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For starters, he kept us in games. Take a look at what Miami and KC did today (laid down). DA kept us in it. He’s had a TERRIBLE roster filled with overpaid check-cashers like Richard Seymour and Darren “SOMEBODY SNEEZED ON ME! I’M OUT SIX GAMES” McFadden. No pass-rusher for half the year, thanks to Wimbley’s terrible deal. Knapp is his fault, but rookies make mistakes. We’ll be 7-9 next year, and division winners the year after. Just give DA and Reggie some time.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
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Knapp’s gone by tomorrow at the latest.
DA is still here, and rightfully so.
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I just don’t get this logic. Why are some of you guys sticking with DA? What about a 4-12 opening record inspires confidece after taking over (and having full control over) a team that went 8-8 two years in a row? What about not coaching up the talent you have on the roster inspires your confidence? I just don’t get it. The guy is 4-12 and we got blown out of more games than I care to remember.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
knapps contribution for the year tring to put square pegs in round holes with duck tape and super glue
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
England are you drunk or do you live over in Jolly Ole? You honestly think the Raiders will win with Carson? They have a better shot with Carson Daly at QB or even John Daly. Have you been nipping at DA’s little Kool Aid bottle? Stick to being a wanna be hooligan at your gay azz soccer matches. Yes I do enjoy a good twat ever now and again, but you sir are what we call in the US an IDIOT!!! I shall rename you England Clark Griswald.
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That’s the dumbest fuk’n post I’ve seen on here yet.
What does it mean? What a lot of pretentious nonsense.
As I said before, you are a condescending twat.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I’m not against Palmer.
I’m against 17 million for a QB that finishes with 4 wins.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
McFadden had 50 yards rushing today, is that Palmers fault?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Pryor isn’t the answer. He is no Rg3. Some of you keep harping about what he did today despite Krappys play calling…. Well what the h#ll do you think Palmer had to dwal with?!? With no Mcpart-time and same receivers droppings the same balls! . Some of you want to say Palmers interception numbers but fail to mention how many bounced off hands , helmets and chest of our receiving corp. Palmer dang near set team records under Krappys play calling! So give him a break. Why the h@ll Knapp wasnt fired earlier in tbe season is beyond me!! How do you even hire someone that Al himself stripped play calling duties from?????
Another wasted year , time and money! I am second generation Raider and been a fan 40 years!!! How do I pass this team to my Son?????? Totally embarrassing year!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Somewhere Hue Jackson is laughing his ass off at us. ..4-12…wtf???
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If Hue Jackson’s laughing, it’s because his current team is the beneficiary of his horrible Palmer trade. And some people here wish he was still in Oakland…
December 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Palmer made 3 million dollars this year not 17
December 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Mark is a fan,not a football person.Hope he keeps his nose out of it.
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Had Mark kept his nose out of it. Pryor would be an afterthought and on his way somewhere else. Mark has to make sure his football people do the right thing. The double agent tried to sabotage that kid and mark put a stop to it.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer might get you a high 2nd, not a first. Thats not an opinion on whether we should trade. Just what he may get you.
First thing in my books is commensing with the firings: DA, Knapp, and the rest of that krapp offensive staff.
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Knapp’s gone by tomorrow at the latest.
DA is still here, and rightfully so.
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I just don’t get this logic. Why are some of you guys sticking with DA? What about a 4-12 opening record inspires confidece after taking over (and having full control over) a team that went 8-8 two years in a row? What about not coaching up the talent you have on the roster inspires your confidence? I just don’t get it. The guy is 4-12 and we got blown out of more games than I care to remember.
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Sticking? I think people are just stating facts. DA will be back next year. It’s already been announced.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him also.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
This season started with such hope. Now?
THE AUTUMN WIND IS A PIRATE
Wins one and loses three
With a man named Tits
Running the ship
No chance of victory
Our owner took a gamble
On a man from a Bay of Green
But his new-made boat
Couldn’t stay afloat
It’s made of twigs and leaves
Allen hollered “FIRE!”
But Knapp ran side to side
McClain rushed in
Shot at a high school friend
And was swept out with the tide
Now old Al is raging
His team sucks once again
And next year
We’ll hear the cheer
“Oakland Raiders…third and ten.”
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Why are some of you guys sticking with DA?
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I don’t think anyone is “sticking” with him.
Just don’t think we will fire the hand picked HC of the new GM in year 1.
His defense played well enough down the stretch for him to go in there and throw Krapp under the bus, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
No new general manager is going to fire his first head coach after one year and he shouldn’t.
Next year the head coach will be Allen.
Tarver has improved the defense lately and will probably stay.
Knapp? Who knows.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Did someone just call McFadden ” McPartime”. Hahahahahaha, that’s the best one yet.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
But we are talking about NEXT year.
How much is Palmer making NEXT year?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Damn J Hill, we pretty much wrote the same post at the same time.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Exactly, still waiting for you Denise apologists to tell us what he has succeeded at.
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For starters, he kept us in games. Take a look at what Miami and KC did today (laid down). DA kept us in it. He’s had a TERRIBLE roster filled with overpaid check-cashers like Richard Seymour and Darren “SOMEBODY SNEEZED ON ME! I’M OUT SIX GAMES” McFadden. No pass-rusher for half the year, thanks to Wimbley’s terrible deal. Knapp is his fault, but rookies make mistakes. We’ll be 7-9 next year, and division winners the year after. Just give DA and Reggie some time.
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LMAO! “He kept us in games.”
I stopped right there
See:
San Diego, Miami, Denver twice, Tamper(thanks to 4th quarter Carson rally), New Orleans, Baltimore, Cinncinnati, Cleveland, Charlotte(Going for on 4th down with Leinart)
December 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Anyone watched Taiwan and his blocking in the backfield?
I know he can tackle. If his blocking was lousy, any chance of converting him to FS/DB? We need one.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Carson for another 15 million or TP for 3.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Somewhere Hue Jackson is laughing his ass off at us. ..4-12…wtf???
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If Hue Jackson’s laughing, it’s because his current team is the beneficiary of his horrible Palmer trade. And some people here wish he was still in Oakland…
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Exactly cuz if we had that CB the Bungholes took, Reggie & Denise would be looking at a 1st round bye right now.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
If you want to start Pryor, then you have already given up on 2014
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And starting the same QB who won 4 games this year tells us what about 2014?
Same RB starting tells us what?
#5 pick?
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No, I still believe that with the right OC, this offense can roll, which will keep the pressure off of the defense, and we can compete for a wildcard spot.
Also need a new line coach and a new ST coach….and if I had my way a new DC as well….
Now if you are telling me we are bringing your boy Knapp back, then IO say fk it, trade Palmer, McFadden and any other talented player….start Pryor and tank the season because we wouldn’t have a chance anyhow.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him also.
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“if he continues to stink it up ”
Yeah Why he waste time on Palmer? Time to let Palmer and is $17 million owed in 2003 go. Move on.
RAIDERS ARE REBUILDING..
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Prett obvious stuff, England.
Or at least you would think so.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
The play calling today was just deplorable yet again. This has been the most excruciating to watch offense ever, I am happy I don’t have to watch this woeful garbage system and play calling, hopefully ever.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I definitely thing Tarver earned another season. His defense improved to middle of the pack since the got rid of that cancerous piece of sh!t McClain
December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Denise to be fired.If not assasinated.Rightfully so.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Exactly, still waiting for you Denise apologists to tell us what he has succeeded at.
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For starters, he kept us in games. Take a look at what Miami and KC did today (laid down). DA kept us in it. He’s had a TERRIBLE roster filled with overpaid check-cashers like Richard Seymour and Darren “SOMEBODY SNEEZED ON ME! I’M OUT SIX GAMES” McFadden. No pass-rusher for half the year, thanks to Wimbley’s terrible deal. Knapp is his fault, but rookies make mistakes. We’ll be 7-9 next year, and division winners the year after. Just give DA and Reggie some time.
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LMAO! “He kept us in games.”
I stopped right there
See:
San Diego, Miami, Denver twice, Tamper(thanks to 4th quarter Carson rally), New Orleans, Baltimore, Cinncinnati, Cleveland, Charlotte(Going for on 4th down with Leinart)
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Remember: DA’s more of a Raider than you’ll ever be.
You’re not a Raider, and never were. Real Raider fans (who live and die by our team) look at you and laugh.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Clark Griswald I mean England I bet you are a total stud at scrabble aren’t you??? Keep on nippin at that Kool Aid buddy. Your Jeff George jersey I bet is worth at least 75 cents buy now on Ebay. Carson’s should go for a buck by the draft. PIP PIP CHEERIO DUMBAZZ. YOU SIR ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH TODAY’S RAIDER FANS.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
LOL
Now Krapp is MY boy, huh?
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH KAY
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Terrele Pyor, the best QB performance since when?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Lefty12, Do you realize we went 150 or some ridiculous # of drives without scoring a TD and it tooka a raw rookie 3 drives to undo that?
Do you realize we went 9 weeks without a rushing TD until this raw rookie undid that. Do you realize we went scoreless in redzone TD’s until a raw rookie scored 3 in one game and no FG’s.
The double agent kept this kid a secret until Mark rattled his cage and made him make some changes. Then the double agent has a postgame presser and says he did some nice thangs but we saw his weaknesses. That guy is NOT what I want as a HC for my favorite team and if Reggie can’t see what is obvious to Ray Charles who is DEAD he should be fired as well.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
If DA is back next year we”ll just be treading water with that guy. He’s awful! Just awful. Its a complete waste and only holds this team back. Sure, if he manages to hire a competent OC he might get another 3-4 wins or so out of it but this guy aint taking us anywhere.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him also.
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“if he continues to stink it up ”
Yeah Why he waste time on Palmer? Time to let Palmer and is $17 million owed in 2003 go. Move on.
RAIDERS ARE REBUILDING..
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Like I said, whether you like it or not, he will enter next training camp as the starter. The only hope is if he retires or some team like maybe the Jets are foolish and desperate enough to trade for him.
I personally hope he retires and goes back to his couch.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Pryor is playing mostly WCO pro-style, plus a Knapp one.
Pryor will get better at it, and he looked very capable running it (just needs better accuracy throwing)….but if he was playing more Pistol Spread Option like the Skins are doing with RGIII and Niners with Kaepernick, Pryor would cause even more problems.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
DMAC is only 25 years old. Fix the oline and get rid of the zone blocking. I think he will be ok. He went from leading the NFL in rushing to this??
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
DA wanted to tuck away Pryor and not even give the kid a shot and it turns out Pryor did a pretty good job at bringing this team back. What do you know? Another wrong assessment DA made. One of many mistakes!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Remember: DA’s more of a Raider than you’ll ever be.
You’re not a Raider, and never were. Real Raider fans (who live and die by our team) look at you and laugh.
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If he’s more of a Raider than me then why he did laugh with the Denver Broncos Head coach after getting blown out? Cuz a non Raider fan like me wasn’t laughing at that. I wanted to kick the crap out of Denise.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Turf toe Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
This season started with such hope. Now?
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Come on man!
You were expecting a great year, maybe a trip to the Superbowl?!
I thought we’d be 8-8 at best.
How could it be better?
We have a load of questionable players.
We had a new owner, new general manganer, new head coahc, new DC, new OC and new offensive system.
It always looked like a rebuilding year to me.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
638.RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Exactly, still waiting for you Denise apologists to tell us what he has succeeded at.
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For starters, he kept us in games. Take a look at what Miami and KC did today (laid down). DA kept us in it. He’s had a TERRIBLE roster filled with overpaid check-cashers like Richard Seymour and Darren “SOMEBODY SNEEZED ON ME! I’M OUT SIX GAMES” McFadden. No pass-rusher for half the year, thanks to Wimbley’s terrible deal. Knapp is his fault, but rookies make mistakes. We’ll be 7-9 next year, and division winners the year after. Just give DA and Reggie some time.
===================================================== Truely the dumbest fkn thing I have ever read by a truely dumb mthafkr!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Remember: DA’s more of a Raider than you’ll ever be.
You’re not a Raider, and never were. Real Raider fans (who live and die by our team) look at you and laugh.
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If he’s more of a Raider than me then why he did laugh with the Denver Broncos Head coach after getting blown out? Cuz a non Raider fan like me wasn’t laughing at that. I wanted to kick the crap out of Denise.
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Friends laugh at things together. If you ever had any friends, you’d know this.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Knapp made it the whole year…. score one for me.
And it looks like he and the rest of this staff might be here next year….. which would score another for me.
(disclaimer: Its not like Im rooting for this staff. Its just that from the gametape, I see they are not the problem and I think the management knows this).
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Soory but the whole offensive staff is as good as gone, EVERYBODY knows Knapps not a good playcaller PERIOD, if ya think he is your fkin clueless, yes you are rooting for this staff you have ben swingin on Knapps sack all year,
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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There wasn’t one.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Wishbone upon a star, this one is for you:
Pryor = Tebow
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Palmer and Vick are in similar situations.
Palmer and Vick’s contracts are way to big. They are not worth their contracts and nobody will trade for them.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember.
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Really?
Baltimore and Miami????
Cincy I guess, too, eh?
Didn’t we get blown out of 3 or 4 games just last year???
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
A lot of racist people here, didn’t think he had the intelligence to play
QB
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
If DA is back next year we”ll just be treading water with that guy. He’s awful! Just awful. Its a complete waste and only holds this team back. Sure, if he manages to hire a competent OC he might get another 3-4 wins or so out of it but this guy aint taking us anywhere.
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Very enlightened comment. Love the “treading water” analogy. That’s exactly what Allen offers. He holds everyone back, like Knapp, interested more in his myopic approach and being a drill sergeant.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him also.
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And then later you complain about the play calling….you are right about that part. You are letting Knapp’s failures as a competant OC destroy your view of our young talent.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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I’m assuming the Texans game…Great argument..Hue doesn’t have enough second-half comebacks like Denise does. Of course, what you’re missing their slick is that Denise fell behind nearly every game where Hue rarely did. But hey have fun with Denise next year. YOu and the other 10,000 fans that show up.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Looks like Lorenzo Neal agrees with me.Fireing Hue came back to kick Reggie in his big fat stupid A$$! Fk him.
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Mark fired Hue. Not Reggie. That’s pretty well known. And Hue sucks. Maybe of we got him at a time when we had an organization to control him he would be ok. But we didn’t. An he took over, playing GM and personnel director and head coach and OC and apparently QB coach. He was such a power hungry f@ck. Even his boy Palmer complained about not getting enough time w Hue, game planning and shlt. Look it up.
I’m not defending DA. Lots of shlt I hate about this year. But Hue did it w mirrors and took way too many chances, and was willing to mortgage our future on a slight chance of making the playoffs. We should have been 6 and 10 last year at best. We got lucky in so many games it was ridiculous. AP going down in the first quarter? Cutlerless bears? Lets not rehash all that crap. Been through it many times. DA might suck. But Hue DOES suck.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
McFadden had 50 yards rushing today, is that Palmers fault?
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No its fkin Knapps and his golf buddy the O-line coaches fault, Wiz knew this guy was clueless and couldn’t stand working for him so he bounced
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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There wasn’t one.
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Thank you. Look at how Hue’s and DA’s team fared in the last game of the season vs. the Chargers:
Hue’s team, needing only to win to get into the playoffs, came out flat and stayed that way, getting blown out of the stadium.
DA’s team, with nothing to play for, came out a little flat but rallied impressively and lost by a field goal.
Neither loss is anything to be proud of. But at least DA showed he MIGHT be a good head coach in this league.
Hue’s a used-car salesman.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
We had FOUR blowout losses LAST year, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Palmer is not going anywhere for Christ sake.Big contract or not.He will be the starter next year and Pryor should be the back up.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
The double agent made people believe Pryor did NOT know the playbook and he could handle the huddle. he even said 5 days ago he wasn’t ready to be a backup. yet Leinart was. His transgression were so egregious it’s damn near comical he made himself look like a complete and utter Buffoon.
How in hell he is supposed to rebound from this is anybodies guess but Pryor acquitted himself very well today to his dismay. That TD throw in the redzone was an outstanding football play. One that we haven’t seen a QB make in many years if EVER in this org. Yet the HC says he’s not ready to be the BACKUP!
Absolutely MORONIC!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Remember: DA’s more of a Raider than you’ll ever be.
You’re not a Raider, and never were. Real Raider fans (who live and die by our team) look at you and laugh.
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If he’s more of a Raider than me then why he did laugh with the Denver Broncos Head coach after getting blown out? Cuz a non Raider fan like me wasn’t laughing at that. I wanted to kick the crap out of Denise.
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Friends laugh at things together. If you ever had any friends, you’d know this.
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LMAO! YOu’re so fu**ing stupid…You know nothing about competition. Now I know why you like Denise so much. He’s a gracious loser like you.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him
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i used to dog on mcfadden cuz he always getting hurt when we need him but hes a banger and i have become a fan but the zbs really fvcked his game up but if you payed attention when they ran with a lead blocker he was gaining chuncks of yards its stupid that they didnt stick with it
dumbass knapp
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
3 TD’s by Pryor in his first NFL start.
this after just finding out he was the starter on Friday and getting almost NO REPS all season
Terrelle Pryor is a gamer. I like him.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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There wasn’t one.
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Well that’s NOT true. We had offensive comebacks under Hue ….the defense just gave it right back lol. Hue’s offense was light years ahead of the sht we saw this year. Bank that!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
505…weve been saying that all season…
December 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I’m assuming the Texans game…Great argument..Hue doesn’t have enough second-half comebacks like Denise does. Of course, what you’re missing their slick is that Denise fell behind nearly every game where Hue rarely did. But hey have fun with Denise next year. YOu and the other 10,000 fans that show up.
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That means you’re leaving? GREAT! Nobody needs fair-weather, Benedict-Arnold “fans” like you. Have fun in Traitorville, you pathetic coward.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Clark Griswald I mean England I bet you are a total stud at scrabble aren’t you??? Keep on nippin at that Kool Aid buddy. Your Jeff George jersey I bet is worth at least 75 cents buy now on Ebay. Carson’s should go for a buck by the draft. PIP PIP CHEERIO DUMBAZZ. YOU SIR ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH TODAY’S RAIDER FANS.
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Just keep right on making a fuk’n fool of yourself moron.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Thank you. Look at how Hue’s and DA’s team fared in the last game of the season vs. the Chargers:
Hue’s team, needing only to win to get into the playoffs, came out flat and stayed that way, getting blown out of the stadium.
DA’s team, with nothing to play for, came out a little flat but rallied impressively and lost by a field goal.
Neither loss is anything to be proud of. But at least DA showed he MIGHT be a good head coach in this league.
Hue’s a used-car salesman.
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Hue’s offense showed up…The only thing that showed up today on offense was Pryor who dumf** didn’t want to play…Let me guess, the next thing is that 8-8 isn’t 8-8 and 4-12 shows great promise.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Vick and Palmer are completely different QB’s. Vick actually wants to win. Palmer can have it either way as long as the checks keep coming. See M. Wilson, J. Schroeder, J. George & K. Collins. All exact same QB. Never cared much about the score just interested in their bank accounts. All you who think we have a chance next year with Palmer please send me your email address so I can show you some land in Florida you should take a look at.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
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As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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There wasn’t one.
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Well that’s NOT true. We had offensive comebacks under Hue ….the defense just gave it right back lol. Hue’s offense was light years ahead of the sht we saw this year. Bank that!
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REALLY? How many points did we score in the third quarter all of last season? How about the fourth quarter? Hue was all about building up a big lead, then hoping and praying he didn’t give it all away by the end of the game.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Morilla Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
4-12 HC and got blown out of more games than I care to remember. And this guy deserves another shot? Get him the fuk’ outtta here pronto! Before he stymies more talent!
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But Duck has some great reasons why he should stay. YOu know, he kept us in games, which never happened.
===========================================
As opposed to Hue, whose teams would give up. Quick: name the last great second-half comeback by a Hue Jackson-led offense. I’ll wait.
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There wasn’t one.
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Thank you. Look at how Hue’s and DA’s team fared in the last game of the season vs. the Chargers:
Hue’s team, needing only to win to get into the playoffs, came out flat and stayed that way, getting blown out of the stadium.
DA’s team, with nothing to play for, came out a little flat but rallied impressively and lost by a field goal.
Neither loss is anything to be proud of. But at least DA showed he MIGHT be a good head coach in this league.
Hue’s a used-car salesman.
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Blown out of the Stadium in the last game of the year last season?
What?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Is Hoffman fired yet??
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
692.0ak r8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Looks like Lorenzo Neal agrees with me.Fireing Hue came back to kick Reggie in his big fat stupid A$$! Fk him.
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Mark fired Hue. Not Reggie. That’s pretty well known. And Hue sucks. Maybe of we got him at a time when we had an organization to control him he would be ok. But we didn’t. An he took over, playing GM and personnel director and head coach and OC and apparently QB coach. He was such a power hungry f@ck. Even his boy Palmer complained about not getting enough time w Hue, game planning and shlt. Look it up.
I’m not defending DA. Lots of shlt I hate about this year. But Hue did it w mirrors and took way too many chances, and was willing to mortgage our future on a slight chance of making the playoffs. We should have been 6 and 10 last year at best. We got lucky in so many games it was ridiculous. AP going down in the first quarter? Cutlerless bears? Lets not rehash all that crap. Been through it many times. DA might suck. But Hue DOES suck.
===================================================== NO.Thats not well known.Where the fuk you been??? That fkn retarded bottom lip jacka$$ said “DUUUHHHHHHH I wantedededed my’s owns guy SHEEEEET”.So either you didnt watch the fkn press con. or your calling bottom lip and Mark a Lier.Which is it son?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
tarvers D improved????????????
Bres gave up 433 points…..tarver gave up 433 points
Bres gave up 388 yards/game…..tarver gave up 364 yards/game
tarver D only improved because the other teams were able to take extra knees at the end of the game cause they were getting blown out
reggie gets a second shot to start all over again
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Pryor = Tebow
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Ohio,
would that be such a bad thing?
Tebow won more games in 11 starts last year than Carson Palmer has in 25 starts with Oakland!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
3 TD’s by Pryor in his first NFL start.
this after just finding out he was the starter on Friday and getting almost NO REPS all season
Terrelle Pryor is a gamer. I like him.
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They did not even give TP full first team reps on Wednesday.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Justifying keeping DA based on Hue’s failures in 2011 is simply MORONIC!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Palmer will be back as the starter next year regardless of what anyone’s wishes here are. That said, if he continues to stink it up with back breaking turnovers in inopportune times with a revamped O line, better wr’s and a semblance of a running game, then Pryor should get the nod by game 5.
I am done with DHB and D-Moore. Need 3 new receivers in training camp. The O line stunk also.
As big a fan as I was of McFadden’s last year, I am officially done with him also.
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And then later you complain about the play calling….you are right about that part. You are letting Knapp’s failures as a competant OC destroy your view of our young talent.
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Young talent? Please.
DHB and Moore have developed a talent for dropping everything in sight.
DMAC has been reduced to a 3.0 yd per carry back. Sure the ZBS, play calling and O line didn’t help, but he is not the same player he was under Hue. In fact I was flipping channels today, on one play I watch AP run for 30 yards, then flip the channel and watch DMAC crash into his linemen and go down for a 3 yard gain. Big difference in talent there.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Hue’s a used-car salesman.
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Maybe he’s working with Raider O because he sure as hell isn’t head coach of a football team.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Justifying keeping DA based on Hue’s failures in 2011 is simply MORONIC!
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Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Yeah it’s true , Hue didn’t show much in last 5 games, this year Te Raiders played much better in last 5 even with nothing to play with for
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
nah…4-12…says it enough.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
If you like the defense to line up and not move before the snap, and you like blitzes from 20 yards away, and you think that playing well against KC and the Panthers and getting worked by every decent QB in the NFL sans Matt Ryan is the type of defense you like, then Tarver is your man.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Blown out of the Stadium in the last game of the year last season?
What?
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A twelve-point loss, at home, in a game that we needed to win to make the playoffs, against a team playing for nothing, where we scored a late touchdown to make it look kinda respectable, qualifies as “blown out.”
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
They did not even give TP full first team reps on Wednesday.
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Raid,
I know!!
this is why I think the mandate for starting Pryor came from Mark & Reggie.
Dennis & Greg were cool rolling with Leinart.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
I’m assuming the Texans game…Great argument..Hue doesn’t have enough second-half comebacks like Denise does. Of course, what you’re missing their slick is that Denise fell behind nearly every game where Hue rarely did. But hey have fun with Denise next year. YOu and the other 10,000 fans that show up.
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That means you’re leaving? GREAT! Nobody needs fair-weather, Benedict-Arnold “fans” like you. Have fun in Traitorville, you pathetic coward.
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Right cuz falling for Denise’s BS and being a blind dog makes you the “real” fan…Fu** you
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Man, did we stink this year. I bought in, too. Had visions of a winning record.
That’s because I’m a Raider fan. We hope, we dream, we aspire.
But we do not think.
Thinking hurts.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Blown out of the Stadium in the last game of the year last season?
What?
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A twelve-point loss, at home, in a game that we needed to win to make the playoffs, against a team playing for nothing, where we scored a late touchdown to make it look kinda respectable, qualifies as “blown out.”
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Weird, you just say that we needed a win to make the playoffs in that game last year…and yet were the playoffs on the line today? i wonder who is the better HC.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
They did NOT want Pryor to look even as good as he did they were expecting and wanting him to do a complete faceplant…………period
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Yeah it’s true , Hue didn’t show much in last 5 games, this year Te Raiders played much better in last 5 even with nothing to play with for
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Exactly. Hue’s last five games featured two thirty-point losses. DA’s team featured two thirteen-point losses. Neither is good, but one is definitely better than the other.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Justifying keeping DA based on Hue’s failures in 2011 is simply MORONIC!
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Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
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So when we are 5-11 next year what excuse are you going to try and make for keeping that POS Dennis Allen?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Pryor = Tebow
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Ohio,
would that be such a bad thing?
Tebow won more games in 11 starts last year than Carson Palmer has in 25 starts with Oakland!!
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Tebow never gets a break.
Last year we were supposed to win the division and Denver was supposed to be dirt.
So then Tebow goes in and keeps winning games for them, takes them to the playoffs, and gets traded for his trouble.
What does the guy have to do?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
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Duck,
even Rob Ryan would be a better HC than Hue Jackson!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
England I bet you and all your “boyz” will be sitting around with your red & gold pom poms in a couple weeks talkin bout how cute you guys think Kaepernick is. We all know you are a Whiner fan and live in the Castro, but if you wanna stay in the closet at least let me shut the door so we don’t have to listen to you. You want Palmer back so bad I’m sure you will find a way to get him.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
The team has played better ,the D stepped up with nobodies , DA was shadows with fixing a D that couldn’t force a punt in week 17 last year, he couldn’t hire his own OC because pretty much every one was already hired and all they had was knapp , and Hoffman
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
REALLY? How many points did we score in the third quarter all of last season? How about the fourth quarter? Hue was all about building up a big lead, then hoping and praying he didn’t give it all away by the end of the game.
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ANd it’s better the Denise way right?…Let’s see, nursing a lead or trying to make up for 2-3 scores every game….HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hooooollllly sht. Did I just read someone post DA is a better HC than HueJax?
What the hell does a 4-12 record tell you??? Oh, I guess Hue’s 8-8 WITHOUT full control of the defense was all smoke-n-mirrors. It was all fantasy. It did not happen.
HJ would coach circles around this chump. Are you serious with that comment??
Defense = regressed
Offense = regressed
Special Teams = regressed
And he’s a better HC??? LMAO!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
You are defending DA. We know a 4-12 record suck and your trying to defend it.
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Mark fired Hue. Not Reggie. That’s pretty well known. And Hue sucks. Maybe of we got him at a time when we had an organization to control him he would be ok. But we didn’t. An he took over, playing GM and personnel director and head coach and OC and apparently QB coach. He was such a power hungry f@ck. Even his boy Palmer complained about not getting enough time w Hue, game planning and shlt. Look it up.
I’m not defending DA. Lots of shlt I hate about this year. But Hue did it w mirrors and took way too many chances, and was willing to mortgage our future on a slight chance of making the playoffs. We should have been 6 and 10 last year at best. We got lucky in so many games it was ridiculous. AP going down in the first quarter? Cutlerless bears? Lets not rehash all that crap. Been through it many times. DA might suck. But Hue DOES suck.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
I would trade Palmer & DMAC to the Jets in exchange for their 1st rounder.
yikes – maybe even 2nd rounder!?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Yeah it’s true , Hue didn’t show much in last 5 games, this year Te Raiders played much better in last 5 even with nothing to play with for
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Exactly. Hue’s last five games featured two thirty-point losses. DA’s team featured two thirteen-point losses. Neither is good, but one is definitely better than the other.
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yes one is definitely better than the other
8-8
4-12
which is better?
December 30th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
PERIOD!!!
There, I just completed your post for you.
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
The double agent made people believe Pryor did NOT know the playbook and he could handle the huddle. he even said 5 days ago he wasn’t ready to be a backup. yet Leinart was. His transgression were so egregious it’s damn near comical he made himself look like a complete and utter Buffoon.
How in hell he is supposed to rebound from this is anybodies guess but Pryor acquitted himself very well today to his dismay. That TD throw in the redzone was an outstanding football play. One that we haven’t seen a QB make in many years if EVER in this org. Yet the HC says he’s not ready to be the BACKUP!
Absolutely MORONIC!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
People in here ripped Hue jackson for going 1-4 down the stretch and said he deserved to be fired. Well the double agent went 1-8 down the stretch so how long should we take to fire this guy?
He LIED to everyone on multiple occasions about players and had hidden agendas against Al Davis drafted players. I don’t know how anyone can deny that now after what we saw live today. He absolutely LIED on Pryor.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hooooollllly sht. Did I just read someone post DA is a better HC than HueJax?
What the hell does a 4-12 record tell you??? Oh, I guess Hue’s 8-8 WITHOUT full control of the defense was all smoke-n-mirrors. It was all fantasy. It did not happen.
HJ would coach circles around this chump. Are you serious with that comment??
Defense = regressed
Offense = regressed
Special Teams = regressed
And he’s a better HC??? LMAO!!!
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Dude the Patty Hearst gang loves their captor.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
692.0ak r8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Looks like Lorenzo Neal agrees with me.Fireing Hue came back to kick Reggie in his big fat stupid A$$! Fk him.
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Mark fired Hue. Not Reggie. That’s pretty well known. And Hue sucks. Maybe of we got him at a time when we had an organization to control him he would be ok. But we didn’t. An he took over, playing GM and personnel director and head coach and OC and apparently QB coach. He was such a power hungry f@ck. Even his boy Palmer complained about not getting enough time w Hue, game planning and shlt. Look it up.
I’m not defending DA. Lots of shlt I hate about this year. But Hue did it w mirrors and took way too many chances, and was willing to mortgage our future on a slight chance of making the playoffs. We should have been 6 and 10 last year at best. We got lucky in so many games it was ridiculous. AP going down in the first quarter? Cutlerless bears? Lets not rehash all that crap. Been through it many times. DA might suck. But Hue DOES suck.
===================================================== NO.Thats not well known.Where the fuk you been??? That fkn retarded bottom lip jacka$$ said “DUUUHHHHHHH I wantedededed my’s owns guy SHEEEEET”.So either you didnt watch the fkn press con. or your calling bottom lip and Mark a Lier.Which is it son?
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Obviously Reggie DID the firing. But Mark made the call. How else do you explain Hue not even getting an interview? It is well known and obvious that Mark made the call. And I’m glad he did. Once again, not so sure I’m glad about hiring DA. But glad we fired Hue.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Terrapin
Hue Jax = turd sandwich.
might as well hire KoolKell to be HC
I’ll roll with DA for another season or three
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Blown out of the Stadium in the last game of the year last season?
What?
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A twelve-point loss, at home, in a game that we needed to win to make the playoffs, against a team playing for nothing, where we scored a late touchdown to make it look kinda respectable, qualifies as “blown out.”
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31-26 with the ball less than a quarter left and a WR falls down and there is an interception. Blowout?
LMFAO
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
If you like the defense to line up and not move before the snap, and you like blitzes from 20 yards away, and you think that playing well against KC and the Panthers and getting worked by every decent QB in the NFL sans Matt Ryan is the type of defense you like, then Tarver is your man.
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Good point. It was against lesser competition.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
So when we are 5-11 next year what excuse are you going to try and make for keeping that POS Dennis Allen?
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If we were to go 5-11 next year (and I don’t think we will, but just for the sake of argument), then maybe some changes would need to be made. BUT at least we would have shown potential replacement candidates that we’re willing to give them a decent shot to pull it together.
If DA does do better than that next season, then we’ve already got him on staff for another two years.
That’s what we’re talking about. Keeping DA for one more year is a win-win.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Pryor looked ok in his first start. A few of his passes were well thrown and on target.
A better set of receivers would have been able to catch the ones that were kinda close. He did a nice job on broken plays a couple of times to extend a drive.
I didn’t really see anything that makes me think he’s the answer next year. I’d say he’s worth keeping around one more year to see if he keeps progressing. They should move him to #2.
But…. It sure didn’t look like he’s a sure thing, by any means. I think the staff could go either way with him and I wouldn’t be shocked.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
They did NOT want Pryor to look even as good as he did they were expecting and wanting him to do a complete faceplant…………period
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Please quit with the speculation, every time Pryor made a big play and the camera was rolled toward a he was grinning from ear to ear , unfortunately he’s a D coach ,who made nobodies into a respectful unit in last 4-5 games, he just need to do the same for I n hire some one like Tarver who will turn that thing around
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Id trade Dmac, Palmer and Kelly to the Jets for a 2nd rounder and a fifth of Jack.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
The best QB play I’ve seen here in years
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
DA is a liar and should be FIRED.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
not so sure I’m glad about hiring DA. But glad we fired Hue.
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co-signed #741
December 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
lets get this straight….mark fired hue because reggie wanted him to and contracturally mark was the only person who can do it……lets call that the kiffin clause al put into his contracts so no one else can fire anybody
December 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Hue Jackson much better thanthe double agent it aint close.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
So when we are 5-11 next year what excuse are you going to try and make for keeping that POS Dennis Allen?
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If we were to go 5-11 next year (and I don’t think we will, but just for the sake of argument), then maybe some changes would need to be made. BUT at least we would have shown potential replacement candidates that we’re willing to give them a decent shot to pull it together.
If DA does do better than that next season, then we’ve already got him on staff for another two years.
That’s what we’re talking about. Keeping DA for one more year is a win-win.
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and yet you take no issue with firing Hue after an 8-8 season and how it looks to prospective candidate?…Hilarious, Denise will never win, book it.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Palmer is not going anywhere for Christ sake.Big contract or not.He will be the starter next year and Pryor should be the back up.
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I think that’s about right.
Prior did OK…he has some touch on that ball (lol) and made a truckload of mistakes but why wouldn’t he?
This was his first start.
I think’s the kid’s got grit and showed some leadership.
The two people who most wanted to win were Allen and Prior.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Denise will never win
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thats what the Browns said about Belichick
December 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
qb is no longer an issue d needs the most help nt ,de/olb pass rusher,ball hawking fs (sammy brown tied for most ints), cb
offense rt, c, rg, wr (since ours are gutless)
December 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Denise will never win
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thats what the Browns said about Belichick
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and that’s what they said about Norv Turner.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
So when we are 5-11 next year what excuse are you going to try and make for keeping that POS Dennis Allen?
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If we were to go 5-11 next year (and I don’t think we will, but just for the sake of argument), then maybe some changes would need to be made. BUT at least we would have shown potential replacement candidates that we’re willing to give them a decent shot to pull it together.
If DA does do better than that next season, then we’ve already got him on staff for another two years.
That’s what we’re talking about. Keeping DA for one more year is a win-win.
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Win-win?
No, we the fans LOSE.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
They did NOT want Pryor to look even as good as he did they were expecting and wanting him to do a complete faceplant…………period
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You have low expectations. The team is hardly celebrating how good TP looked. 46% completion? Horrible ugly throws? Players taking vicious hits because of where he threw the ball? Put down the bottle, Priest.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Pryor’s assessment of his 1st start. “Bad, we lost”
YOu see Denise, that is what accountability sounds like. Fu**ing phaggot
December 30th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
2romes Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
You are defending DA. We know a 4-12 record suck and your trying to defend it.
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Mark fired Hue. Not Reggie. That’s pretty well known. And Hue sucks. Maybe of we got him at a time when we had an organization to control him he would be ok. But we didn’t. An he took over, playing GM and personnel director and head coach and OC and apparently QB coach. He was such a power hungry f@ck. Even his boy Palmer complained about not getting enough time w Hue, game planning and shlt. Look it up.
I’m not defending DA. Lots of shlt I hate about this year. But Hue did it w mirrors and took way too many chances, and was willing to mortgage our future on a slight chance of making the playoffs. We should have been 6 and 10 last year at best. We got lucky in so many games it was ridiculous. AP going down in the first quarter? Cutlerless bears? Lets not rehash all that crap. Been through it many times. DA might suck. But Hue DOES suck.
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No. I’m not. Not once did I say I was happy about anything from this year. But last year was smoke and mirrors and Hue is bullshlt. He’s a waterboy now w Cincinnati. The only team that would even give him a job. Not happy about this year. But realistic about last year. Lucky to be 8 and 8. REAL LUCKY.
December 30th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hooooollllly sht. Did I just read someone post DA is a better HC than HueJax?
What the hell does a 4-12 record tell you??? Oh, I guess Hue’s 8-8 WITHOUT full control of the defense was all smoke-n-mirrors. It was all fantasy. It did not happen.
HJ would coach circles around this chump. Are you serious with that comment??
Defense = regressed
Offense = regressed
Special Teams = regressed
And he’s a better HC??? LMAO!!!
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Hue was O guy who had former 2 time heisman runner up to work around , DA is a D guy who had scrubs, cash checkers n a unit that has been bottom 10 since 2003 n had them playing well in last 5 games, give them a couple of playmakers on that side , he will do fine, his D was good enough to win with Tim freaking Tebow in Den , give him some players , then he can win with anything even if he got rejected again from hiring better OCs n had to settle with knapp
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
where do we draft at ?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
IMHO Mark Davis can’t wait to show DA the door I think Mark Davis hates the double agent. I think Mark Davis knows what kind of person DA is and doesn’t want him in his org. and he will find a way to get rid of him.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree.
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Sorry to hear you say that, Duck. We agree on a lot, but we differ on this one. Crabtree is by far the better receiver. As much as I don’t like the “cancer” guys, I can’t in anyway defend picking DHB over Crabtree.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
where do we draft at ?
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#3. I’m hoping for either Star Lotulelei or a trade down.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
4-12 = Lotta Losses from a Losing, Loser ..aka DA
December 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Win-win?
No, we the fans LOSE.
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exactly
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I swear these Denise fans are so fkn stupid its truely pathetic.Its like they cant count,use your fkn fingers or something.8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12. Whats your fkn problem retards? Denise couldnt hold Hues playbook for Christ sake.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
All you like to see is the team making progress, the team made progress on D in last few games with bench players starting , we just need to get a better OC
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
cool thanks duck, if theres a year to get better on D this is it. Plenty of quality defensive players will be available.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
People on this blog either said this team was a 8-8 with potential(fix the D) or Raiders are rebuilding= (DA apologizers )
They are definitely not 8-8 with potential anymore.
RAIDERS ARE REBULDING and that starts with letting Palmer and his $17 mil owed go.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Any truth to the rumor that Knapp was spotted at the Southwest ticket counter in San Diego, buying a ticket?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Any truth to the rumor that Knapp was spotted at the Southwest ticket counter in San Diego, buying a ticket?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I used to be one of those 8-8 with potential guys. THAT IS GONE NOW
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I used to be one of those 8-8 with potential guys. THAT IS GONE NOW
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I used to be one of those 8-8 with potential guys. THAT IS GONE NOW
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
IMHO Mark Davis can’t wait to show DA the door I think Mark Davis hates the double agent. I think Mark Davis knows what kind of person DA is and doesn’t want him in his org. and he will find a way to get rid of him.
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Norv offers more assistance than Denise did to TP6 in that post game interview…Jesus Mark, save us!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
767.RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
where do we draft at ?
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#3. I’m hoping for either Star Lotulelei or a trade down.
================================================== Your hopeing for a remeadial math class fk face! 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I swear these Denise fans are so fkn stupid its truely pathetic.Its like they cant count,use your fkn fingers or something.8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12. Whats your fkn problem retards? Denise couldnt hold Hues playbook for Christ sake.
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So why is Dennis Allen an NFL Head Coach and Hue Jackson an assistant cornerbacks (or whatever) coach?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The TP haters will all change their names tomorrow.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
This guy was given FULL control over an 8-8 team and produced 4-12. And you say he’s so good he needs to stay? What about going backwards you do not understand?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Priest is so desperate to try and make this organization look bad now that Al is gone. before? Didn’t matter what happened, Priest would state the coaches know more than we do. Now that Al is gone, Priest is stooping to punkass comments, trying to save face. I’m sick of your lies, and your schitt comments, just because your hero died.
Your hero destroyed this organization. You don’t like the present one? GTFOH.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
DA was 8-8 last year when he had playmakers , Von miller , dumerville playing with O that was equivalent to our D last year , remind me again Hues record without McFadden n I’ll remind you again DA does not have any good player on his side
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree.
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Sorry to hear you say that, Duck. We agree on a lot, but we differ on this one. Crabtree is by far the better receiver. As much as I don’t like the “cancer” guys, I can’t in anyway defend picking DHB over Crabtree.
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The “cancer” aspect is why I would rather have DHB than Crabtree. At least DHB doesn’t try to get his coaches fired.
Ideally, I’d rather have Percy Harvin than either of those guys.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Who won more games Hue or Denise? Hue by double.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
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LMFAO! Im guessing you were one of the fools that wanted Hue fired last year for losing a few games down the stretch right? So how the fk can’t you want DA fired for losing the last 8 of 9 games or something crazy like that and only winning half as many games as Hue?
Fkin always an agenda in this mutha fka, facts are facts and the fact is Hue was a better first year HC than DA PERIOD, Hue went through a whole lot more than DA in losing starting QB and RB and the great Al D. If you wanted Hue fired you sure as fk better want DA fired or theres some sort of hidden agenda PERIOD
December 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
“Your hopeing for a remeadial math class fk face! 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8″
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Or maybe remedial English?
Basic literacy?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
767.RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Angry Little Man Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
where do we draft at ?
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#3. I’m hoping for either Star Lotulelei or a trade down.
================================================== Your hopeing for a remeadial math class fk face! 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8
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LOL!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The TP haters will all change their names tomorrow.
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He made some nice scramble plays to wide open receivers.. pretty much what he did in college.
What else did he do well to make you think he is the answer?
Be specific.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hue had McFaddens coat tails to ride on, DA had aging Seymour , 10+ M routt, Wimbley , Aging Kelly lol
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
theres pnly a few idiots in here that want to keep a loser…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
All you like to see is the team making progress, the team made progress on D in last few games with bench players starting , we just need to get a better OC
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500 yards given up against dungver and 364 yards by that pos browns QB….yeah, great progress.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
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LMFAO! Im guessing you were one of the fools that wanted Hue fired last year for losing a few games down the stretch right? So how the fk can’t you want DA fired for losing the last 8 of 9 games or something crazy like that and only winning half as many games as Hue?
Fkin always an agenda in this mutha fka, facts are facts and the fact is Hue was a better first year HC than DA PERIOD, Hue went through a whole lot more than DA in losing starting QB and RB and the great Al D. If you wanted Hue fired you sure as fk better want DA fired or theres some sort of hidden agenda PERIOD
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Great post.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
789.stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
“Your hopeing for a remeadial math class fk face! 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12 8-8″
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Or maybe remedial English?
Basic literacy?
======================================================= How about a basic kick to the fkn throat pzzy.Just like a Denise fan,so embarressed they go to the spelling comments.Fkn idiot!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Our only point is that DA’s a better head coach than Hue. He deserves (and will thankfully get) another season.
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LMFAO! Im guessing you were one of the fools that wanted Hue fired last year for losing a few games down the stretch right? So how the fk can’t you want DA fired for losing the last 8 of 9 games or something crazy like that and only winning half as many games as Hue?
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No, I didn’t want Hue fired. And if he hadn’t been so blindingly stupid as to try to punk out the owner of the team, he wouldn’t have been fired.
But he did and he was. Keeping DA is a better option at this point than trying to find our fourth HC in as many years. Remember how Tampa Bay had to stoop to Greg Schiano from Rutgers? That’s the kind of talent pool we’d be looking at if we fired DA now.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
So when we are 5-11 next year what excuse are you going to try and make for keeping that POS Dennis Allen?
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If we were to go 5-11 next year (and I don’t think we will, but just for the sake of argument), then maybe some changes would need to be made. BUT at least we would have shown potential replacement candidates that we’re willing to give them a decent shot to pull it together.
If DA does do better than that next season, then we’ve already got him on staff for another two years.
That’s what we’re talking about. Keeping DA for one more year is a win-win.
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and yet you take no issue with firing Hue after an 8-8 season and how it looks to prospective candidate?…Hilarious, Denise will never win, book it.
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Hue got his guy and went 1 and 4 with him. Hue sucks and we were lucky to be 8 and 8. I can’t believe we can’t get past this Hue BS. He was given more power than any other HC in the history of the league and he came down the stretch at 1 and 4. And that’s what everyone wants to see more of?
And btw, I don’t know if DA will work out or not. And I hate Knapp and Hoffman for what they did to the offense and ST. But there is something to be said for consistency. For anyone to be calling for a HC firing after one season w a new owner, GM, OC and DC is irresponsible and best and just plain stupid at the worst. I actually want DA to get another year. Unless we do get a shot at a marquis guy like Reid or Gruden. Short of that he has to have one more year, probably two. So strap in, cause Hue ain’t coming back, and DA is here for probably two more years.
And if we do go 8 and 8 next year (doubt we will be that good) I hope all the Hue lovers in here r ready to suck DAs dlck. If they think 8 and 8 is so impressive. Kinda sad actually that a good season for a Raider fan is 8 and 8. For most of 25 years that has been the case.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Just like DA did not want to give Pryor a real shot to start a game that is what he offers the Raiders. 20th best in the league at everything. Sit back and enjoy.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Got my late Xmas present…
Pryor looks promising AND we lose…
pick 3 and maybe d1ckheads get fired…
bad coaching (horrible clock management at half loses 3 pts)
another 7 pts blown by incompetent ST caoching…hoffman is a fool…
any word on firings yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
I say we go with pass rushers, then lb’s then secondary.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Who are they gonna replace Palmer with, Smart guys?
Alex Smith?
Oh, I’m sure you will all love that mess lol.
Flacco?
Thats alot of cash for a sh*tty Qb….
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“oakshow says….Fkn idiot!”
That’s classic irony…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
792.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hue had McFaddens coat tails to ride on, DA had aging Seymour , 10+ M routt, Wimbley , Aging Kelly lol
Stupid post by a stupid mthafkr! This guy predicted playoffs for christ sake. Shouldnt even be responded too.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Hue got his guy and went 1 and 4 with him. Hue sucks and we were lucky to be 8 and 8. I can’t believe we can’t get past this Hue BS. He was given more power than any other HC in the history of the league and he came down the stretch at 1 and 4. And that’s what everyone wants to see more of?
And btw, I don’t know if DA will work out or not. And I hate Knapp and Hoffman for what they did to the offense and ST. But there is something to be said for consistency. For anyone to be calling for a HC firing after one season w a new owner, GM, OC and DC is irresponsible and best and just plain stupid at the worst. I actually want DA to get another year. Unless we do get a shot at a marquis guy like Reid or Gruden. Short of that he has to have one more year, probably two. So strap in, cause Hue ain’t coming back, and DA is here for probably two more years.
And if we do go 8 and 8 next year (doubt we will be that good) I hope all the Hue lovers in here r ready to suck DAs dlck. If they think 8 and 8 is so impressive. Kinda sad actually that a good season for a Raider fan is 8 and 8. For most of 25 years that has been the case.
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Theere you guys go again. Denise should stay. He goes 1-8, Hue goes 1-4 down the stretch. Yup, let’s ignore the fact that Hue had to be 7-4 to finish 1-4.. He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: McKenzie may keep Gregg Knapp and Tarver. Allen and McKenzie to talk about it Mon
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
All signs point to Allen staying the only way that changes is if Mark Davis steps in and over rules McKenzie. Doubt that would happen
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Since this place is full of ignorant ghetto dwellers at the moment, later…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Dennis Allen does not like to admit Pryor did great considering he has not started any game in 2 years. Allen says “he did alright”
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
803.stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
“oakshow says….Fkn idiot!”
That’s classic irony…
Hey moron, 8-8 4-12 8-8 4-12.problem?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
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So which team was Hue Jackson the head coach or offensive coordinator of this year?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Keep Allen. Draft for defense. Fire Knapp.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
807.stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Since this place is full of ignorant ghetto dwellers at the moment, later…
Get the fk out here you tranny lover.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: McKenzie may keep Gregg Knapp and Tarver. Allen and McKenzie to talk about it Mon
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
All signs point to Allen staying the only way that changes is if Mark Davis steps in and over rules McKenzie. Doubt that would happen
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RaidersNewsFlash is about as reliable as Dick Morris or MistaBrown’s political predictions. Pay it no mind.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
was hoping someone would be fired before I went to bed tonight so I could sleep better.
If they bring back Knapp next year this franchise is doomed!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree.
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Sorry to hear you say that, Duck. We agree on a lot, but we differ on this one. Crabtree is by far the better receiver. As much as I don’t like the “cancer” guys, I can’t in anyway defend picking DHB over Crabtree.
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And that certainly isn’t why DHB was drafted over Crabtree. That one move actually sums up the disaster that was the last decade of Alzheimer Davis’ reign. He took DHB cause he was fast. He didn’t not take Crabtree cause he might be a problem, that thought probably never entered his mind. Alzheimer Davis never had a problem w problem children. He just couldn’t evaluate talent.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
There’s a chance Hue is an OC next year and Allen is a DB coach.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I looked forward to seeing Pryor play, but wasn’t super optimistic. FWIW:
#1 it was good to see a QB who seemed truly intense about competing and winning on the field. I like CP, but sometimes he seems to lack that.
#2 ability to run is an obvious +
#3 all these touch floater passes are a problem. Great when you need ‘me, but you have to be able to fire it in there on a wire with fire, or you are not the solution.
It was sheer stupidity not to play him both last week and this week. Despite that, keep DA and Tarver. Keep CP if he restructures.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
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So which team was Hue Jackson the head coach or offensive coordinator of this year?
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SO by that token, Greg Knapp must be more qualified to be an OC than Hue Jackson? Is that your new argument. I guess Pat Shurmer is a better coach too…gawd you’re dense.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
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So which team was Hue Jackson the head coach or offensive coordinator of this year?
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There’s a chance Hue is an OC next year and Allen is a DB coach.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Dennis Allen never wanted to start Pryor, he was dead set against it. He was over ruled by people above
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: McKenzie may keep Gregg Knapp and Tarver. Allen and McKenzie to talk about it Mon
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
All signs point to Allen staying the only way that changes is if Mark Davis steps in and over rules McKenzie. Doubt that would happen
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RaidersNewsFlash is about as reliable as Dick Morris or MistaBrown’s political predictions. Pay it no mind.
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Based on what.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
There’s a chance Hue is an OC next year and Allen is a DB coach.
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Hue might be an OC next year, but whichever head coach hires him better watch out for a knife in his back.
Dennis Allen will be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
810.RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
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So which team was Hue Jackson the head coach or offensive coordinator of this year?
So what the fk you gonna say when he is a head coach this year? Let me help you add 4-124-12. Do you get it yet ya fuk nut?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
There’s a chance Hue is an OC next year and Allen is a DB coach.
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LMFAO!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaidersNewsFlash is about as reliable as Dick Morris or MistaBrown’s political predictions. Pay it no mind.
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Based on what.
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Go back and look at their history. They print anything they want, true or not, based on facts or not. They’re Twitter trolls.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree.
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Sorry to hear you say that, Duck. We agree on a lot, but we differ on this one. Crabtree is by far the better receiver. As much as I don’t like the “cancer” guys, I can’t in anyway defend picking DHB over Crabtree.
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The “cancer” aspect is why I would rather have DHB than Crabtree. At least DHB doesn’t try to get his coaches fired.
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You ever hear one player say even one negative thing about Crabtree? No. That diva thing was made up by reporters, for a story. Since then, and before, in college, every single coach, and every single player stated Crabtree was anything but a diva, and in fact was the ultimate team player.
He also has about twice as many rec yds as DHB for the year.
DHB will be out of the league in 3 yrs and Crabtree is on his way to the HOF.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The best I can say about DHB is I’d rather have him than Crabtree.
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Sorry to hear you say that, Duck. We agree on a lot, but we differ on this one. Crabtree is by far the better receiver. As much as I don’t like the “cancer” guys, I can’t in anyway defend picking DHB over Crabtree.
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The “cancer” aspect is why I would rather have DHB than Crabtree. At least DHB doesn’t try to get his coaches fired.
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You ever hear one player say even one negative thing about Crabtree? No. That diva thing was made up by reporters, for a story. Since then, and before, in college, every single coach, and every single player stated Crabtree was anything but a diva, and in fact was the ultimate team player.
He also has about twice as many rec yds as DHB for the year.
DHB will be out of the league in 3 yrs and Crabtree is on his way to the HOF.
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I assume you’re going to try and blame that on Reggie…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
There really some retards in here , starting with Oakshogay , he doesn’t understand that all fans drink kool-aid n say playoffs every time , like we all expected our enemies to suck, Peyton will be injured etc etc, if I wasn’t a fan of this team I would have def told you guys we aren’t a playoff team, now get off my nuts attention whore
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Hue got his guy and went 1 and 4 with him. Hue sucks and we were lucky to be 8 and 8. I can’t believe we can’t get past this Hue BS. He was given more power than any other HC in the history of the league and he came down the stretch at 1 and 4. And that’s what everyone wants to see more of?
And btw, I don’t know if DA will work out or not. And I hate Knapp and Hoffman for what they did to the offense and ST. But there is something to be said for consistency. For anyone to be calling for a HC firing after one season w a new owner, GM, OC and DC is irresponsible and best and just plain stupid at the worst. I actually want DA to get another year. Unless we do get a shot at a marquis guy like Reid or Gruden. Short of that he has to have one more year, probably two. So strap in, cause Hue ain’t coming back, and DA is here for probably two more years.
And if we do go 8 and 8 next year (doubt we will be that good) I hope all the Hue lovers in here r ready to suck DAs dlck. If they think 8 and 8 is so impressive. Kinda sad actually that a good season for a Raider fan is 8 and 8. For most of 25 years that has been the case.
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Theere you guys go again. Denise should stay. He goes 1-8, Hue goes 1-4 down the stretch. Yup, let’s ignore the fact that Hue had to be 7-4 to finish 1-4.. He’s light years better than Denise…It’s not even an argument.
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Wow. Just, wow.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
gg TP6
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
There’s a chance Hue is an OC next year and Allen is a DB coach.
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Hue might be an OC next year, but whichever head coach hires him better watch out for a knife in his back.
Dennis Allen will be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders next year.
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Yeah. Look, Hue was much better than Allen as a HC. And as an OC was better than a HC. I was glad, like many of us were, that Hue was let go. In hindsight, it was a mistake.
Allen probably remains HC, but in hindsight that could be a mistake! Certainly Hue showed a lot more potential and wherewithall as a HC than Allen has.
But the both of them are more talented/suitable as co-ordinators imo.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
The Pryor haters
Talk to me
December 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Crabtree on his way to HOF?? Really r u kidding with me??
December 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
827.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
There really some retards in here , starting with Oakshogay , he doesn’t understand that all fans drink kool-aid n say playoffs every time , like we all expected our enemies to suck, Peyton will be injured etc etc, if I wasn’t a fan of this team I would have def told you guys we aren’t a playoff team, now get off my nuts attention whore
No,what it means is you dont ANYTHING about football and should just shut your stupid mouth.PLAYOFFS OMFG!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hue had McFaddens coat tails to ride on, DA had aging Seymour , 10+ M routt, Wimbley , Aging Kelly lol
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Ummmm…….DMC was injured in week 7, DA has had DMC for 12 games Hue had him for what 6? It doesn’t matter anyway because he brought in a system that was already proven to not be the best for DMC, Hue had to clean up Knapps krapp and now someone else is goin to have to come in and do it again, damn shame
December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaidersNewsFlash is about as reliable as Dick Morris or MistaBrown’s political predictions. Pay it no mind.
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Based on what.
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Go back and look at their history. They print anything they want, true or not, based on facts or not. They’re Twitter trolls.
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You mean to tell me people have been believing their posts? SMH. Jeez, it’s some dude in his grandmas basement.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
There will always be those that just want to stir up conflict just for the heck of it. Now, there will be some that support Palmer more than Pryor and I can understand that because Pryor has not proved much at this point but to defend a 4-12 year over two 8-8 season is a lack of realism. Giving the HC more control while losing twice as much as the previous HC you just fired is a lack of realism, especially if you though Hue did not deserve more control on defense.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mark has always like Andy Reid, and would love to have him here. Vick will gladly come with Reid to Oak. Sometimes you have to take a chance, and this is one I think we should take..period
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
4-12 with 3 wins coming against 2-14 teams. Thanks Reggie.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
dayum…just saw the tp interview and norvell patted tp in the back with a huge smile and said….”good job young man…keep growing” 1000 times a compliment and a coach as opposed to sh!thead DA
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Hue showed more potential ?? Cuz he had McFadden , DA had who on his side of expertise ?? Let me remind you guys again , when DA had good players on his side , Von Miller ,Dumerville ,his team won 8 games with a FB posing as a QB
December 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Crabtree vs. DHB?
DHB, better person. Crabtree, better NFL receiver. Let’s trade. If he gets out of line, TP will light him up.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
827.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
There really some retards in here , starting with Oakshogay , he doesn’t understand that all fans drink kool-aid n say playoffs every time , like we all expected our enemies to suck, Peyton will be injured etc etc, if I wasn’t a fan of this team I would have def told you guys we aren’t a playoff team, now get off my nuts attention whore
I can think of about 4 morons like you that said playoffs.RaiderO,Raiderduck,Miamiraider78,AlbertBigelowpain.So dont try and play it off.I said 4-12 the moment Denise was hired.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Can you imagine how good Pryor would be if he had a coach like Shanahan calling plays and putting him in position to succeed. What if he had a coach like that all year and was allowed to play all year. How good would we have been instead of what we were.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Boss01 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
4-12 with 3 wins coming against 2-14 teams. Thanks Reggie.
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pretty much
December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Can you imagine how good Pryor would be if he had a coach like Shanahan calling plays and putting him in position to succeed. What if he had a coach like that all year and was allowed to play all year. How good would we have been instead of what we were.
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So true.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
827.mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
There really some retards in here , starting with Oakshogay , he doesn’t understand that all fans drink kool-aid n say playoffs every time , like we all expected our enemies to suck, Peyton will be injured etc etc, if I wasn’t a fan of this team I would have def told you guys we aren’t a playoff team, now get off my nuts attention whore
No,what it means is you dont ANYTHING about football and should just shut your stupid mouth.PLAYOFFS OMFG!
– no you don’t know what anything means , just keep on make calling , that’s all ur good at anyways
December 30th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
dayum…just saw the tp interview and norvell patted tp in the back with a huge smile and said….”good job young man…keep growing” 1000 times a compliment and a coach as opposed to sh!thead DA
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I saw that too…but hey DA has proper motivational skills.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
This team hasn’t scored 21 points in 8 weeks and this is just the fourth time all year. Pryor has a lot of promise. DA not so much. Knapp none.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
That TD throw in the redzone was an outstanding football play. One that we haven’t seen a QB make in many years if EVER in this org.
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You’re right on that one. We haven’t seen that weak of a throw since the days of Marijuanavich. And we’ve been through our share of week arms too, like Gradz, Tui, Leinhart.
I think that ball had more sideways spin than it had spiral on it.
The thing is, any decently strong armed QB with pocket presence would not done what Pryor did: lock onto one target, see him not open, run out of time in the pocket, run around and then loft a ball over the back of all the defenders. No, they check off the first target, see Moore’s man slip and throw a bullet to him 3 seconds earlier on the left side of the end zone, right after he makes his cut. Still scores 6 but maybe loses on the spectacular side.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
The Pryor haters
Talk to me
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Why talk to you? you’re an idiot.
You’re an attention whore. You wouldn’t know a football if it hit you in the face. Yeah, we get it. You are as old as the hills. Doesn’t mean your brain still works, does it?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
834.realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hue had McFaddens coat tails to ride on, DA had aging Seymour , 10+ M routt, Wimbley , Aging Kelly lol
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Ummmm…….DMC was injured in week 7, DA has had DMC for 12 games Hue had him for what 6? It doesn’t matter anyway because he brought in a system that was already proven to not be the best for DMC, Hue had to clean up Knapps krapp and now someone else is goin to have to come in and do it again, damn shame
====================================================== Your waisting your time with this idiot.He predicted playoffs and says everybody does that.No only the truely stupid fks who know sht about football do that!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
dayum…just saw the tp interview and norvell patted tp in the back with a huge smile and said….”good job young man…keep growing” 1000 times a compliment and a coach as opposed to sh!thead DA
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Yep, Norv showing everyone how much Allen is not HC material in that gesture.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mark has always like Andy Reid, and would love to have him here. Vick will gladly come with Reid to Oak. Sometimes you have to take a chance, and this is one I think we should take..period
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How the hell would you know that Mark has always liked Andy Reid? Until this year Mark Davis cared more about where his next 8 ball was coming from then anything to do w the Raiders at all. And Vick? Really? LMFAO.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
#650, Turf Toe: well written Autumn Wind parody!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
dayum…just saw the tp interview and norvell patted tp in the back with a huge smile and said….”good job young man…keep growing” 1000 times a compliment and a coach as opposed to sh!thead DA
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So what you are saying is you are an easy impressed doofus? Coaches always prop opposing players. When you grow up, you’ll realize this.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I swear a turnip is smarter then these fkn Denise lovers. Makes me sick they are Raider fans.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Watching RGIII run Shanarats offense. It’s amazing how RGIII adapted to the Redskin offense instead of the offense adapting to the skill set of their starters. Greg Knapp are you reading this???
December 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I swear a turnip is smarter then these fkn Denise lovers. Makes me sick they are Raider fans.
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LOL!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
The troll is back impersonating me,
I’ll leave and anything you read it’s him……..I’m too tired for his foolishness tonite
Adios!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
DT42 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Watching RGIII run Shanarats offense. It’s amazing how RGIII adapted to the Redskin offense instead of the offense adapting to the skill set of their starters. Greg Knapp are you reading this???
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No he’s busy running his head into a brick wall. You know gotta get ready for next season.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Zymurge, now you’re back to your old anti-pryor ways like Dr Robert.
You and Dr are more focused on putting down Pryor at every opportunity than appreciating all the good things.
You think the rest of us are over-inflating Pryor, but we’re just trying to fight back the silliness and prejudice that you and Dr keep posting.
You guys are just downright hating, finding anything to be negative about, but worse, embellishing and over-stating things and passing them off as fact.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I posted last week the Raiders will lose because DA will be outcoached. guess what? The Raiders HC was outcoached by Norv. No surprise to me!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Except I will leave you with this thought.
0ak r8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mark has always like Andy Reid, and would love to have him here. Vick will gladly come with Reid to Oak. Sometimes you have to take a chance, and this is one I think we should take..period
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How the hell would you know that Mark has always liked Andy Reid? Until this year Mark Davis cared more about where his next 8 ball was coming from then anything to do w the Raiders at all. And Vick? Really? LMFAO.
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Mr. Davis respected what Reid did in Philly, and would like some of that to rub off on this team. During coffee they would discuss zone, and shared ideas. Happens all the time.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
easily impressed is slobbering over a 4-12 country opie coach…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
“We’re trying to change the culture around here.” Denise Allen
So is that why “my guy” Mike Goodson gets a free pass for his role in his ejection.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
2romes Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I posted last week the Raiders will lose because DA will be outcoached. guess what? The Raiders HC was outcoached by Norv. No surprise to me!!!
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You sound like one of those guys who stare at the stoplight, and when it turns green, you state no surprise to me.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Gregg Knapp is a member of Al Qaeda. He sits…he waits…he destroys.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bottom line. If Denise returnes you can count on all blackouts next year because nobody exept 4 stupid fks from this blog will have anything to do with this team.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
he even called him “goodie…” such a fvcktard he is…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
all 4 in the front slapping each others aszsz
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Is it true that 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12?
Someone here mentioned that once
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Take Andy Reid in a heartbeat.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Lol Knapp looks up from banging his head on the wall just in time to see DA running face first into it. And then blaming his players for it.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Denise and Reggie both suck! Good night and suck my cok!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
This team hasn’t scored 21 points in 8 weeks and this is just the fourth time all year. Pryor has a lot of promise. DA not so much. Knapp none.
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Try not to lose site of the fact that 1/3 of those points came on the coat heels of a a great special teams play that achieved 90% of the work.
DMac then came 1 inch away from vulturing the credit away from Pryor with a rushing TD.
Pryor created a whopping 199 yards of offense in 4 quarters of football. Palmer doubled that on numerous occassions. He also turned the ball over, choked away a scoring opportunity at the end of the first half that was the equaivalent of a turnover, and nearly dodged another when he fumbled the ball and then took a penalty for throwing it out of bounds, deducting another 10 yards from what he produced.
If this is the future, it’s a bleak one for the Raiders!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Except I will leave you with this thought.
0ak r8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Mark has always like Andy Reid, and would love to have him here. Vick will gladly come with Reid to Oak. Sometimes you have to take a chance, and this is one I think we should take..period
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How the hell would you know that Mark has always liked Andy Reid? Until this year Mark Davis cared more about where his next 8 ball was coming from then anything to do w the Raiders at all. And Vick? Really? LMFAO.
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Mr. Davis respected what Reid did in Philly, and would like some of that to rub off on this team. During coffee they would discuss zone, and shared ideas. Happens all the time.
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Yea. Happens all the time. In the Matrix? Or in your head? Cause it sure doesn’t sound like anything your saying is based on fact in anyway.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You ever hear one player say even one negative thing about Crabtree? No. That diva thing was made up by reporters, for a story. Since then, and before, in college, every single coach, and every single player stated Crabtree was anything but a diva, and in fact was the ultimate team player.
He also has about twice as many rec yds as DHB for the year.
DHB will be out of the league in 3 yrs and Crabtree is on his way to the HOF.
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Yup, those nine extra TD’s he scored over DHB across 4 years would have sent us to the SUPER BOWL baby!
Thats over TWO A YEAR!!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
If TP were white, you people would have his schit dripping off your chin
December 30th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
It appears that since THAT Super Bowl debacle 10 years back, none of the decision makers within this organization is committed to winning. (”Just Win Baby” is nothing more than a slogan)
It’s unfortunate but even this current regime is more focused on being right and covering their tails rather than winning the football game at all cost. The OC is clearly incapable of knowing how to use and maximize the offensive weapons. The HC only cares about winning “ENOUGH” just to keep his job regardless of the mess he created, and GM Big Mac is committed to “his guy.” Anytime you go public to the fans and preach “PERSPECTIVE and PATIENCE,” it’s clear that there’s no commitment to winning.
The fans deserve much better than what’s been going on these past 10 years. MUCH BETTER. At this point, the bar is at an all time low. I mean c’mon, people miss Hue Jack??? Granted, DA is NOT a better HC than Hue based on head to head season to season with the majority of personnel matching. But you’d rather have Hue Jack return?
Who knew what was going through Big Mac’s head when he was hiring the HC. I know NO ONE saw this coming. Based on the situation on hand, could anyone tell us who could’ve replaced Hue Jack and took the team to the next level this season?
Here’s the sucky situation that I’m unable to see a way out: if we get rid of DA after just one season, we’ll still be that “dysfunctional organization” where solid and highly sought after HC candidates will pass over. If we keep DA next season, and the performance level remains the same or regresses, then the organization will still appear inept and avoided.
Mark Davis needs to find some sort of balance as both fan and owner and step up NOW because what a disgrace this season’s been.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Did any of you see Pryor throw the ball?If you were the HC can you honestly say after watching him float every pass he threw like a lollipop you’d want to start him at the most important position on the field.Pryor did OK.He showed that with a lot of work he might be a good QB in this league which is exactly what DA has said all along.Stop with this BS that the HC was sabotaging him crap.BTW,on Wed. he and Leinart split 1st team reps.It was reported both were told early in the week Pryor would get the start.The lies and conspiracy talk is a bunch of crap and needs to stop.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bottom line. If Denise returnes you can count on all blackouts next year because nobody exept 4 stupid fks from this blog will have anything to do with this team.
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LOL!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bottom line. If Denise returnes you can count on all blackouts next year because nobody exept 4 stupid fks from this blog will have anything to do with this team.
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You ever wonder if you would have stayed in school past the 4th grade? If you wouldt come across as so stupid? Dumbass.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You ever hear one player say even one negative thing about Crabtree? No. That diva thing was made up by reporters, for a story. Since then, and before, in college, every single coach, and every single player stated Crabtree was anything but a diva, and in fact was the ultimate team player.
He also has about twice as many rec yds as DHB for the year.
DHB will be out of the league in 3 yrs and Crabtree is on his way to the HOF.
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Yup, those nine extra TD’s he scored over DHB across 4 years would have sent us to the SUPER BOWL baby!
Thats over TWO A YEAR!!
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True. And to say HOF for Crabtree is beyond ridiculous. But he is better than DHB. Just as megatron is better than jabustus and Aaron Rodgers is better than Fabian Washington. Just not quite as obvious.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Is it true that 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12?
Someone here mentioned that once
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according to the Denise apologists it isn’t if those 8 wins are considered “lucky”
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bottom line. If Denise returnes you can count on all blackouts next year because nobody exept 4 stupid fks from this blog will have anything to do with this team.
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LOL!!!!
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What, exactly, was LOL about that?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Denise and Reggie both suck! Good night and suck my cop!
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LOL! It’s the Eddie Murphy curse show!
December 30th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
they look so much more aggressive as a power blocking scheme…
December 30th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Oakfshow Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bottom line. If Denise returnes you can count on all blackouts next year because nobody exept 4 stupid fks from this blog will have anything to do with this team.
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LOL!!!!
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What, exactly, was LOL about that?
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All blackouts except for 4 stupid fvkcs…I’d say that’s pretty good.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Is it true that 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12?
Someone here mentioned that once
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according to the Denise apologists it isn’t if those 8 wins are considered “lucky”
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Not all 8 wins. Just Houston and Minnesota and Chicago and maybe one or two others. At least 3 or 4 of those 8 were not lucky. 4 wins this year. 4 “not lucky” wins last year. Hrm…… Sound familar???? Same shlt, different year.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Lefty…
And how is Pryor going to get better if he’s stuck at #3 for 14 weeks every season, not getting reps and getting a couple gadget plays all year?
What he needs is 1st and 2nd team reps every week to grow and improve his passing, the HC/GM showing belief in him with those reps.
In saying all that, Pryor’s lollipopping is mainly due to all the mechanics re-coaching, he needs more and more reps for it to become second nature that he can just naturally put more muscle into throws, to naturally swivel his hips and rip his leading arm into his side.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Is it true that 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12?
Someone here mentioned that once
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according to the Denise apologists it isn’t if those 8 wins are considered “lucky”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not all 8 wins. Just Houston and Minnesota and Chicago and maybe one or two others. At least 3 or 4 of those 8 were not lucky. 4 wins this year. 4 “not lucky” wins last year. Hrm…… Sound familar???? Same shlt, different year.
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No it doesn’t sound familiar. I was at the Minny game…watched us build a 21-3 lead…but hey I guess that’s luck.
December 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I like meeee sum picks
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/30/raiders-could-shop-mcfadden
We hear GM Reggie McKenzie’s frustration with the Raiders’ running game has been directed more toward the blocking of the offensive line than the team’s top back, Darren McFadden, who has battled injuries and struggled when relatively healthy this season.
The Raiders’ running game is among the lowest ranked in the league and it has produced a league-low three rushing touchdowns.
One of first decisions Oakland has to make this offseason is whether to keep offensive coordinator Greg Knapp. Knapp’s zone-blocking system has not been the best fit for McFadden, who has one year left on his rookie contract. However, our sources expect the Raiders to dangle McFadden in trade talks this offseason, especially if Knapp returns. Indications are McKenzie believes McFadden can bounce back from a down year and get back to the form he showed in 2010 and ’11 before injuries cut his season short, but the GM also would be open to listening if a team showed a willingness to part with a draft pick, or picks, for McFadden’s services.
The question is what would the Raiders’ asking price be? And how much interest would there be in McFadden after he has missed 13 games over the past two seasons and is coming off a season in which he has gained a career-low 3.3 yards per carry?
December 30th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
In saying all that, Pryor’s lollipopping is mainly due to all the mechanics re-coaching, he needs more and more reps for it to become second nature that he can just naturally put more muscle into throws, to naturally swivel his hips and rip his leading arm into his side.
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There’s nothing about being 1st, 2nd or 8th string that prevents you from getting reps on mechanics. It’s a poor excuse to say that as a 3rd stringer he’s been robbed of an opportunity to learn how to throw a frickin football like an NFL QB.
Paul Kariya, upon entering the NHL was told that his backhand shot was too weak for that level. So his first two seasons he stayed late at practice and took several 100 backhand shots on net. He didn’t need a goalie or defenders in his face, he just needed thousands of reps to pound in the muscle memory. As a result, he was considered to have one of the better backhand shots in the league by the time was a few years in and playing at All Star level.
All we here about Pryor is what a hard worker he is, how he puts in the extra time and is driven to get better. So in two years of being on an NFL roster if he hasn’t put in enough reps by now to learn one of the most basic of QB skills, what’s going to change between now and later that will fix that? Being annointed 2nd string? I doubt that.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Hue had McFaddens coat tails to ride on, DA had aging Seymour , 10+ M routt, Wimbley , Aging Kelly lol
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Ummmm…….DMC was injured in week 7, DA has had DMC for 12 games Hue had him for what 6? It doesn’t matter anyway because he brought in a system that was already proven to not be the best for DMC, Hue had to clean up Knapps krapp and now someone else is goin to have to come in and do it again, damn shame
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DA is not O minded the point is we were able to 8 games with Hue because he was able to elavate his side of expertise and was able to ride on McFadden former #4 pick, while DA could not do because he had scrubs on his side of D , when he was DCo his team went 8-8 with a FB starting because he had playmakers Von miller n fumet ills on his side ? Get it ??
December 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
GG-who said he should continue to be #3?Don’t try and put words in my mouth.I said right after the game he did OK.Not great,not terrible.He should be #2 going into camp next year.He showed he has potential.I have always said he should sit and learn for at least 3 years.This is year 2.But you guys talking like he is the next Manning are going way overboard.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Is it true that 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12?
Someone here mentioned that once
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according to the Denise apologists it isn’t if those 8 wins are considered “lucky”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not all 8 wins. Just Houston and Minnesota and Chicago and maybe one or two others. At least 3 or 4 of those 8 were not lucky. 4 wins this year. 4 “not lucky” wins last year. Hrm…… Sound familar???? Same shlt, different year.
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No it doesn’t sound familiar. I was at the Minny game…watched us build a 21-3 lead…but hey I guess that’s luck.
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Guess you were getting a hot dog when AP went down on his second or third carry of the game? We don’t win that game if AP was in there. And that was against what, a 4 and 12 Minnesota team from last year?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
ross “sh!t man that guy is fast…” thats speed and athleticism vs good practice yes sir player….get ready for more with reggie…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/30/insider-sanchez-not-a-pressure-player
“San Diego is the job everyone wants. It’s a great place to live. The Spanos family has been around a long time. They don’t fly by the seat of their pants. They’re one of the good-guy owners in the league. They get it. It’s a coveted place to be.”
maybe better start calling Gruden there Mark.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The reason most of you are so upset is because you put all your eggs in one basket. You ever see me upset? Or out of sorts? No, because a long time ago I decided to spread my support to who earns it the most.
A belated Christmas gift from my wife should explain things quite well, thanks.
That’s right you dumbasses. While you are home complainin I’ll be still watching football.
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December 30th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Oakshogay enuff said
December 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Mc20-no,they don’t get it and never will because they don’t want to.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Guess you were getting a hot dog when AP went down on his second or third carry of the game? We don’t win that game if AP was in there. And that was against what, a 4 and 12 Minnesota team from last year?
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There is again from you Denise apologists “If (fill in the blank) happened we would have lost.” They lost AP that day. We were without DMC. But hey Hue wins don’t mean anything to you guys. Denise loses to a 5-11 Browns team at home & he deserves 3 more years.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
“but he is not read..,” (slaaaap!)…”yes sir we will start him.”
December 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Anthony Spencer anyone????
Star at #3 and Spencer as an OLB???
December 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Pryor created a whopping 199 yards of offense in 4 quarters of football. Palmer doubled that on numerous occassions. He also turned the ball over, choked away a scoring opportunity at the end of the first half that was the equaivalent of a turnover, and nearly dodged another when he fumbled the ball and then took a penalty for throwing it out of bounds, deducting another 10 yards from what he produced.
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You apparently missed Carson’s 21 turnovers this season.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
As of now there are 3 coaches with major egg on their faces.
Hu Jack and Dennis Allen, because Pryor brought the bacon today.
Hu jack made the most colossal blunder in oakland raider trade history trading for palmer. Hu didnt realize what he already had on his roster. He had Jc a solid vet that established himself as the leader and took the team to first place in the division. Behind Campbell was pryor, and today we saw what he brings tot he table. Hu did not need to sell the farm for a washed up has been like palmer.
Hue should have simply finished the season with boller and used the season to groom pryor. Couls you imaging what hu and saunders could do with pryor and ford, moore , dhb, reece? Jc would have been in year 3 pryor in year two an we could have built on what we started.
Hue blew it ad lost his gig. Im sure he watched toady and is kickcing himself.
Next up, dennis allen. He either lied or doesnt know what football is about. The staemnet that pryor wsnt ready to be the back up was criminal. Not only is pryor ready for number 2 he is raedy to challenge for the starting job as well.
Why he was buried on the bench and had to wait until the office forced allen to play him is reason alone to fire allen. Pryor proved today that he is one of the best players on our entire team. Pryor gets better with every snap and now has demanded with less than a week of practice that you must commit to him even at the expense of carson palmer.
Dennis allen has been exposed, and I cant imagine how he can stay. This could with todays performance on defense special teams and knuckled headed penalties, scream fire me now. His team has shown a lack of discipline and desire to be professional all season long.
Pryor made plays today that no other qb on the roster is capable of, and if it were any other qb on our team starting the score would not have been this close.
Let the contraversy begin
December 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
“but he is not read..,” (slaaaap!)…”yes sir we will start him.”
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LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
LOL at Romo’s “floater”.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
The question is what would the Raiders’ asking price be? And how much interest would there be in McFadden after he has missed 13 games over the past two seasons and is coming off a season in which he has gained a career-low 3.3 yards per carry?
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That article lacks research. DMac has a large, one year deal that would cost the trading team almost $6M of salary and cap space for 2013 and then lose him as a UFA after that. Who the hell wants that if you also have to give up something?
DMac would have some trade value if he had 2 or more years on a deal that was under $4M per year.
He’ll also cost the Raiders $2.16M to either cut or trade him, as far as I can tell. His 2013 bonus is listed as “misc” though, so it might actually be part of the tradeable cap hit. That would be good for the Raiders but it would make it even more unlikely that someone would trade anything for a one year $8M cap hit.
I think they’ll need to find a way to DMac restructured into probably a 2 or 3 year deal, and then trade that away as a more attractive package. But it might behoove DMac to force their hand and force the cut if he thinks he can get more as a UFA in 2013.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Lefty…
Apologies for misinterpreting what you said before.
Yeah, I didn’t suggest he was Manning either.
Zymurge…
Reps needed to get the mechanics changes right can take thousands of reps. That can also be at #3 just throwing to a receiver alone. But you know too that taking reps under center 11-on-11 is the more important rep for the mechanics as well as everything else.
Example…
Tebow got thousands of reps at Denver as #3 and apparently “got it” but when real 11-on-11 games started, he reverted back.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Romo= Palmer. NEVER win. Losers
December 30th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
If TP had lit it up? Had looked good?
Mistic would have been here, sprouting off non-stop.
But just like after a game we won, during the season, Mistic was no where to be found.
That pretty much tells the slow posters how TP did.
Of course, Mistic will show up and say the same thing as before when he disappeared. “I was busy. I post when I want”.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Yes,I am one of those guy’s. I am also one of those guy’s that said Reggie and DA was not close to handling a team like the Raiders this year, also the guy that said DA would not change the culture, and one of those guy’s that said zone blocking would not work with the players the Raider have.
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
2romes Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I posted last week the Raiders will lose because DA will be outcoached. guess what? The Raiders HC was outcoached by Norv. No surprise to me!!!
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You sound like one of those guys who stare at the stoplight, and when it turns green, you state no surprise to me.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Did any of you see Pryor throw the ball?
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Cmon Lefty, really.
No, we were blinking when he threw the ball.
Does the kid need to be/look perfect?
THREE offensive TDs with Krapp calling plays.
Nothing else should matter.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Typical Romo game.I almost feel sorry for the guy.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Would 35 points have been enough?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
tds matter…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Romo… the NFC’s Palmer
December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
It was nice to see the team actually score some points for once.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The only thing Pryor proved today is that he should have been competing for the #2 spot.
If you think our franchise should be place in his hands you are nucking futs!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Zymurge…
Reps needed to get the mechanics changes right can take thousands of reps. That can also be at #3 just throwing to a receiver alone. But you know too that taking reps under center 11-on-11 is the more important rep for the mechanics as well as everything else.
Example…
Tebow got thousands of reps at Denver as #3 and apparently “got it” but when real 11-on-11 games started, he reverted back.
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That means he’s too dumb to retain it then
Seriously, I’m a certified youth hockey coach. What’s relevent about that here is that I’ve had to go through many hours of training that goes deep into these kinds of things. We’re taught that for basic skills it’s all about maximizing muscel memory training in low pressure, high repetition drills. Part of it is the physiology and how the brain learns movement. But a bigger part of it is using what time you have to train effectively. You can get a whole lot more throws in working with a coach and a single receiver than you can needing to line up 11 players on each side and running a bunch of other things.
If he can’t have his footwork and throwing motion down as automatic now, two years into his pro career, we’re seeing serious signs of a ceiling.
If it worked so well for Tebow and his throwing motion was his limitation, how’s he doing these days being unable to beat out a weak Sanchez or a nobody 3rd stringer?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I see potential with TP. He looked confident. Bring in a REAL OC and let him do his thing.
Also looks like DA and Knapp did everything to hold him back. DA is a frickin liar.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I don’t think this team is winning a SB next year with Palmer or Pryor.
If we can get a high draft pick for the old expensive QB who can’t put the team on his back and generate WINS, then we would be fools NOT to take it.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The only thing Pryor proved today is that he should have been competing for the #2 spot.
If you think our franchise should be place in his hands you are nucking futs!
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3 TD’s today does not lie
December 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Guess you were getting a hot dog when AP went down on his second or third carry of the game? We don’t win that game if AP was in there. And that was against what, a 4 and 12 Minnesota team from last year?
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There is again from you Denise apologists “If (fill in the blank) happened we would have lost.” They lost AP that day. We were without DMC. But hey Hue wins don’t mean anything to you guys. Denise loses to a 5-11 Browns team at home & he deserves 3 more years.
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Idk why I’m bothering arguing w you. But AP was EVERYTHING to minnesotas offense. They were NOTHING last year without him. And we barely hung on. And the bears? They r NOTHING without cutler, they have shown that time and time again. And we barely got by Caleb WTF his last name is???? And Houston? All emotion, and once again we barely hung on w 10 men on the field at the end. Everything fell into place for us last year when it came to other teams. We had our own problems, sure. W Campbell and McFadden going down. But we got lucky, a lot. This year, we only got one lucky win. Against a horrible Jacksonville team at home, w Gabbert and jones-drew going down. Maybe DA sucks, maybe he doesn’t. But one year w this team under these conditions doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. Firing DA now would be like firing Shanahan for no letting players sit on their helmets. And look how that worked out.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
LOL! Denise questioning Pryor’s game management…look in the mirror Denise.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Zymurge…
Again, you take a point im making and twist it into something else.
Im merely showing that throwing mechanics changes take time. Pryor is infinitely a better and more natural passer than Tebow. Pryor’s mechanics HAVE been improved tremendously since his OSU days. If you paid attention.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Come on J Hill,his passes were laughable.I give him credit for what he did today.He did something we haven’t done a lot of this year-he got the ball into the end-zone.But,almost every pass he threw was a floater.You know damn well you won’t last long in the NFL throwing passes like that.Hopefully with more work he will get better.My point was if you watched him throw the ball like he did today in practices where his escapability and elusiveness isn’t apparent or practiced,would you as a HC want to start him at the most important position on the field?I believe you’d have to say no,you wouldn’t.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Any coaches fired yet???
December 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The only thing Pryor proved today is that he should have been competing for the #2 spot.
If you think our franchise should be place in his hands you are nucking futs!
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3 TD’s today does not lie
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LMFAO
Todd Marinovich had some good games too….HOF numbers compared to Pryor’s game actually.
150 yards
rainbow passed
less than 50% completion %
December 30th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Mistic: “Pryor made plays today that no other qb on the roster is capable of, and if it were any other qb on our team starting the score would not have been this close.”
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Name ONE play that no one else is capable of? you dumbass. He made some of the worst throws I’ve seen in a while. Balls horribly behind receiver. throw after throw. Balls too high., Balls down low. Fumbles. Wish you were right, but that was an ugly outing, and you know it.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
bcz24, jfb, dr.rob, alex 7, sully , dakota, zymurge, aig, and the rest of you…..
CONSIDER YOURSELVES OWNED!!!!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
If you think our franchise should be place in his hands you are nucking cuts!
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LOL
The alternative being putting the franchise in the hands of Palmer?
How many WINS has that gotten us?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Who’d want to play in SD or even coach there? Warm weather teams don’t win Super Bowls. If they do, it’s rare. We need new coaches. Bring home Gruden.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
I wonder if Mark realizes how much the Raider brand has been damaged. Dennis Allen looks like Marvis Frazier versus Mike Tyson, George W. Bush reading “My Pet Goat,” and that ski jumper from the old “Wide World of Sports” intro all rolled into one.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I don’t think this team is winning a SB next year with Palmer or Pryor.
If we can get a high draft pick for the old expensive QB who can’t put the team on his back and generate WINS, then we would be fools NOT to take it.
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Exactly. That’s why they do not need to spend $17 mil on Palmer next year. “Rebuild”. Gets some “Players” with that money.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Idk why I’m bothering arguing w you. But AP was EVERYTHING to minnesotas offense. They were NOTHING last year without him. And we barely hung on. And the bears? They r NOTHING without cutler, they have shown that time and time again. And we barely got by Caleb WTF his last name is???? And Houston? All emotion, and once again we barely hung on w 10 men on the field at the end. Everything fell into place for us last year when it came to other teams. We had our own problems, sure. W Campbell and McFadden going down. But we got lucky, a lot. This year, we only got one lucky win. Against a horrible Jacksonville team at home, w Gabbert and jones-drew going down. Maybe DA sucks, maybe he doesn’t. But one year w this team under these conditions doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. Firing DA now would be like firing Shanahan for no letting players sit on their helmets. And look how that worked out.
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and we didn’t have DMC in the Chicago game. We win on the road against a playoff team and you find a way to dismiss it…We were VERY lucky to win against Pittsburgh. they were moving the ball at will against Denise’s defense, yet we forced so many fumbles in the 2nd half & Palmer played his best game of the year. But guess what, I won’t take that win from Denise…
Yeah we fired Shannahan and the next season we won a division title for the first time in 6 years & went to the AFC title game with the great Jay Schroeder.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
A good coach would know how elusive his players are.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Romo= Palmer. NEVER win. Losers
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Yep. Been saying that for months. Don’t get me wrong, no way I think TP is a better QB than Palmer. In fact, if you take stats overall I consider Palmer a top 15 if not top 10 QB. but he’s a loser. Some guys find ways to win. Some guys find ways to lose. Palmer and Romo fond ways to lose. Palmer has never won anything. And he never will win anything. He’s a loser, talent or not. He’s just a loser.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
A good coach would know how elusive his players are.
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Yes DA is a liar and should be FIRED
December 30th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Come on J Hill,his passes were laughable.I give him credit for what he did today.He did something we haven’t done a lot of this year-he got the ball into the end-zone.But,almost every pass he threw was a floater.You know damn well you won’t last long in the NFL throwing passes like that.Hopefully with more work he will get better.My point was if you watched him throw the ball like he did today in practices where his escapability and elusiveness isn’t apparent or practiced,would you as a HC want to start him at the most important position on the field?I believe you’d have to say no,you wouldn’t.
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Have to agree. Floater after floater after floater. Thank god for wet field, and defenders losing footing, or thosed floaters wouldn’t be completions. Can’t say how many times I cringed after TP threw the ball, but was almost everyone that came out.
I thought he would be sharper, and was honestly surprised on how badly he handled the ball.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
A good coach would know how elusive his players are.
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Yes DA is a liar and should be FIRED
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You use a booster seat at the table?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
PRYOR PUT 3 TDS ON THE BOARD AND TURNED IT OVER ONCE
PRETTY DAMN GOOD!!!
Go ahead and pick apart some of the the throws, yet you miss the big picture.
A qb that has not practiced with the first team all year, gets sparce practice in the last week of the season and puts 3 tds on the board for an offense that hasnt scored a td in multiple games in a row!!!!!
QB SEARCH SOLVED!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I don’t think this team is winning a SB next year with Palmer or Pryor.
If we can get a high draft pick for the old expensive QB who can’t put the team on his back and generate WINS, then we would be fools NOT to take it.
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Exactly. That’s why they do not need to spend $17 mil on Palmer next year. “Rebuild”. Gets some “Players” with that money.
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Blah blah blah. It’s hopeless until we get coaches who build around players, not schemes. Look at Washington, Denver, GB, Seattle, Atlata. All build around personel. We try and force feed our scheme up the players pooperoo. Need new coaches. ’nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
PRYOR IS THE FUTURE & THE PRESENT GET A COACH IN HERE NOW!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I don’t think this team is winning a SB next year with Palmer or Pryor.
If we can get a high draft pick for the old expensive QB who can’t put the team on his back and generate WINS, then we would be fools NOT to take it.
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Exactly. That’s why they do not need to spend $17 mil on Palmer next year. “Rebuild”. Gets some “Players” with that money.
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Blah blah blah. It’s hopeless until we get coaches who build around players, not schemes. Look at Washington, Denver, GB, Seattle, Atlata. All build around personel. We try and force feed our scheme up the players pooperoo. Need new coaches. ’nuff said.
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2nd that
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
13 of 28 for 150 yards. Don’t get too excited.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
PRYOR PUT 3 TDS ON THE BOARD AND TURNED IT OVER ONCE
PRETTY DAMN GOOD!!!
Go ahead and pick apart some of the the throws, yet you miss the big picture.
A qb that has not practiced with the first team all year, gets sparce practice in the last week of the season and puts 3 tds on the board for an offense that hasnt scored a td in multiple games in a row!!!!!
QB SEARCH SOLVED!!!
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Throw in Palmer is owed $17 mil next year and Yup
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
i guess reggie can start working on the next group like…bartell, spencer, adams, ross, criner, bergstrom, crawford, stupar, lee, briesel…dayum getting tired…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Lefty,
SOME of his passes were off. Some of his passes were dropped.
I didn’t see half the problems some of you are coming up with.
Tight JUGS like spirals? Nah, I didn’t see that.
So what???
That pass to Myers after he scrambled was a nice pass for a BIG 1st dn.
Those 1st dn runs to keep drives alive.
Nice back shoulder pass to DHB.
Those are the things we should be talking about. But some of you want to focus on his missed throw to Moore.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Lefty12, It doesn’t matter man, we’ll agree to disagree. I think it is very clear DA has doen whatever he could to discredit Pryor so fans and media alike both thought he was dumb and didn’t know the playbook and couldn’t handle the huddle. To pretend that DA had Pryor’s best interest at heart is to ignore quite a bit. But if taht is your choice fine by me.
I saw waht I thought I would see Pryor with very little support from this coaching staff play a decent game and demonstrate had he had their support he would hav elooked a lot better. To deny he was sabotage is your perogative I saw this kid beat out Leeinart in preseason and they explained it away. Then this idiot says to the media he is NOT ready to be a backup………lol
Call it whatever you chose we all know what DA was trying to do. If not for Mark Davis Pryor would not have played today nor even dressed for that matter. Then they would have tried get rid of him and everyone would’ve accepted their explanation because their would have been no evidence to prove otherwise. But their plan failed MISERABLY……….thanks to Mark Davis.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Idk why I’m bothering arguing w you. But AP was EVERYTHING to minnesotas offense. They were NOTHING last year without him. And we barely hung on. And the bears? They r NOTHING without cutler, they have shown that time and time again. And we barely got by Caleb WTF his last name is???? And Houston? All emotion, and once again we barely hung on w 10 men on the field at the end. Everything fell into place for us last year when it came to other teams. We had our own problems, sure. W Campbell and McFadden going down. But we got lucky, a lot. This year, we only got one lucky win. Against a horrible Jacksonville team at home, w Gabbert and jones-drew going down. Maybe DA sucks, maybe he doesn’t. But one year w this team under these conditions doesn’t prove anything one way or the other. Firing DA now would be like firing Shanahan for no letting players sit on their helmets. And look how that worked out.
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and we didn’t have DMC in the Chicago game. We win on the road against a playoff team and you find a way to dismiss it…We were VERY lucky to win against Pittsburgh. they were moving the ball at will against Denise’s defense, yet we forced so many fumbles in the 2nd half & Palmer played his best game of the year. But guess what, I won’t take that win from Denise…
Yeah we fired Shannahan and the next season we won a division title for the first time in 6 years & went to the AFC title game with the great Jay Schroeder.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And you keep bringing up dmc? We NEVER have dmc. And Chicago was NOT a playoff team. And I would take the last 20 years w Shanahan over the last 20 years of this shlt. You can’t possibly defend that as a good decision.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
J Hill,on one hand you say you believe Palmer should be the starter next year.On the other you say why start him,where has it gotten us.Which is it?I agree though if we could get a 1st for him,take it even though it is highly doubtful.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
4-12= Raiders are rebuilding. 33 year old NEVER win $17 mil in 2013 Palmer should not be a part of the “rebuilding”
December 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
jhill is already throwing in the towel on the 2013 season….and it isnt even 2013 yet!
Dayyyyyum!
At least I waited until game 2 of the season before giving in to reality!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hey Mark, you forced TP6 down their throats…now force Gruden on Chubby Checker.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Pryor managed the game and was most impressive in his regard.
He threw the ball away at the right times, and we did not have the procedure penalties or issues that blog tards and allen feared.
For a guy making his first nfl start you can see he is ooozing with talent and leader shop quality.
Today was nice to see a qb that actually inspires and leads his team mates wearing silver and black.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
….in 2012 i should have added.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
LOL
This blog will argue about anything.
3 OFFENSIVE TOUCHDOWNS!!!!
But the guy can’t play.
SMH
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I hope Al haunts Mark tonight and makes him force the firing of DA.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Over on the Forbidden Site, someone put together our defensive stats since McClain was benched:
257 total yards per game
16.75 points per game
83 rushing yards per game
191.5 passing yards per game
11 sacks
4 takeaways
I’d say DA and Tarver have the defense moving in the right direction.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Greg Knapp, when he was training Muhammed Ali in the 60’s:
“Quit moving around like some damned bee, you idiot. This is boxing, not track. Now stay in one spot and punch from your heels.”
December 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
I think Pryor handled himself very good today.
To be honest, I thought he might be a complete failure and fall apart. I was wrong and I’m happy to say that.
TP has a ton of work to do but I’d take him over Lienert any day.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Can you imagine how good Pryor might have been today if this was the 4th or 5th game under his belt? Coaches should have at least given him some second halfs. Their grooming of him is piss poor. Pryor might not be DAs’ or knapps future QB, but he is the Raiders future QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
bcz24, jfb, dr.rob, alex 7, sully , dakota, zymurge, aig, and the rest of you…..
CONSIDER YOURSELVES OWNED!!!!!!!!
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LOL. You dumbass. They are laughing at you, dumbass. 46% passing is 46%. 150 yds passing? Most in mop up time? Losing the game against a weak SD team?
Possibly the worst throwing motion in the NFL?
DA was right. he wasn’t ready.
I think the phrase is MISTIC YOU’VE BEEN EXPOSED.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
And you keep bringing up dmc? We NEVER have dmc. And Chicago was NOT a playoff team. And I would take the last 20 years w Shanahan over the last 20 years of this shlt. You can’t possibly defend that as a good decision.
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IF you’re gonna bring up opposing teams not having their best players, I can bring up us not having our best player. BTW, how do you think Knapp & Denise would have fared against a Lovie Smith defense? I think we would count that one as a loss if they were there….
We fired Shannahan, we went to the playoffs 3 out of the next 4 years with Art. Shannahan never did crap to deserve that job, and without John Elway, his career has been nothing but mediocrity.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Romo is like dating a virgin… yeah, she’ll show you her tits but she’ll never take you all the way and she’ll just leave you frustrated.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Greg Knapp, when he was training Muhammed Ali in the 60’s:
“Quit moving around like some damned bee, you idiot. This is boxing, not track. Now stay in one spot and punch from your heels.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Best post of the night.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
fire Knapp now
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Any news yet of the firings?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think Mark Davis is having a long talk with DA as to why he did what he did to Pryor and if he doesn’t get the answers he approves of I think DA will be fired.
Jhill like DA they didn’t want to see this it is their worse nightmare………no Palmer in their eyes is in jeopardy. I think and Hope Palmer will be back but I think they have to play Pryor quite a bit next year along with him. Which is what I said they should have done all year this year. But they buried him on the depth chart so they had an excuse NOT to do it.
I wanted to win games and because they had a hidden agenda we couldn’t…………period
1-8 the last 9 games is a firable offense………..period
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
J Hill,who said he can’t play?don’t lower yourself to some of these guys level.You are better than that.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Accuracy improves with game reps and comfort in the offense.
The more he plays the better he will be. Today he was a bit tentative double clutching and a little late on a few throws trying to be careful. As the game wore on he settled in and at one point was the best player on the field and controlling the game. More game reps and familiarity in n offense and this guy is as good as gets in this league.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Can you imagine how good Pryor might have been today if this was the 4th or 5th game under his belt? Coaches should have at least given him some second halfs. Their grooming of him is piss poor. Pryor might not be DAs’ or knapps future QB, but he is the Raiders future QB.
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Pryor got his first “first” team reps this week. Wednesday he got less reps than Leinart.
They need to bring in a real OC and roll with TP..
December 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
J Hill,on one hand you say you believe Palmer should be the starter next year.On the other you say why start him,where has it gotten us.Which is it
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I said I think Palmer is the better passer.
I’ve been saying for a while now trade him for a draft pick if Pryor can play.
I’d prefer to trade Palmer to the Jets, KC, Arizona, or JVillle for a high draft pick.
If we can’t get a high draft pick ….
Actually, I’m over it. No to playing Pryor in packages. I HATE that shyyt! I see the writing on the wall. Trade Palmer and get something for him instead of the BS 2 QB system thing.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think Mark Davis is having a long talk with DA as to why he did what he did to Pryor and if he doesn’t get the answers he approves of I think DA will be fired.
Jhill like DA they didn’t want to see this it is their worse nightmare………no Palmer in their eyes is in jeopardy. I think and Hope Palmer will be back but I think they have to play Pryor quite a bit next year along with him. Which is what I said they should have done all year this year. But they buried him on the depth chart so they had an excuse NOT to do it.
I wanted to win games and because they had a hidden agenda we couldn’t…………period
1-8 the last 9 games is a firable offense………..period
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You have any contacts inside the building…From a twitter account, one guy says Mark has been on Denise’s ass all year.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Pryor has always thrown rainbows….that will never change.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Pryor has earned the right to compete to start next camp…..other than that, let the purging begin!!!
KNAPP
McClousy
Seylessfield
Kelly
…..Goodbye!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
“It’s tough,” an emotional Philip Rivers said of Turner. “You’ve played quarterback for a guy for 102 games. That’s a lot of time spent. A lot of fun, a lot of hard work, plenty of disagreements and aggravations. It’s hard.
“Other than my dad, I don’t know that there has been a coach that you’ve had so much respect for and trust for. Six years is a long time.”
And now Turner’s time is up.
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Think any Raider player feels like this about Dennis Allen?
fire the bum
December 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Lefty12, It doesn’t matter man, we’ll agree to disagree. I think it is very clear DA has doen whatever he could to discredit Pryor so fans and media alike both thought he was dumb and didn’t know the playbook and couldn’t handle the huddle. To pretend that DA had Pryor’s best interest at heart is to ignore quite a bit. But if taht is your choice fine by me.
I saw waht I thought I would see Pryor with very little support from this coaching staff play a decent game and demonstrate had he had their support he would hav elooked a lot better. To deny he was sabotage is your perogative I saw this kid beat out Leeinart in preseason and they explained it away. Then this idiot says to the media he is NOT ready to be a backup………lol
Call it whatever you chose we all know what DA was trying to do. If not for Mark Davis Pryor would not have played today nor even dressed for that matter. Then they would have tried get rid of him and everyone would’ve accepted their explanation because their would have been no evidence to prove otherwise. But their plan failed MISERABLY……….thanks to Mark Davis.
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You are so full of schittt. Mark Davis NEVEr TOLD ANYONE TO PLAY TP. Quit lying.
And stop with that childish statement that DA deliberately tried to descredit TP. Why would he do that, when he desperately wants to win? Sometimes you drink too much, and ramble on like a fool.
I’ll answer it for you, you drunk old bastrd. You hate to accept what Pryor said himself, that he just wasn’t ready. So instead you state Pryor is a superstar, and DA is holding him back.
well, it turns out Pryor had horrible stats, didn’t win the game, and threw somereally ugly passes.
That’s the fact you’ll have to deal with all offseason.
Oh, wait. You said “screw stats, only w/l counts” well, TP didn’t win, did he?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
More evidence that pryor was very good at managing the game today.
Absent from todays action were procedure penalties, and delay of game or burned time outs.
Why? Because pryor was in complete control.
We saW a few rookie mistakes, but he wa every bit as good many of the young qbs across the nfl today.
He did what palmer has been unable to to do, pick up first downs and score in the red zone.
If palmer had posted the numbers that pryor did today the haters would say “it isnt palmer fault”.
lol
imposter fans…….EXPOSED!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Plenty of guys are saying he can’t play, Lefty.
If you guys thought he could play, there would be so much trepidation over him POSSIBLY starting next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think Mark Davis is having a long talk with DA as to why he did what he did to Pryor and if he doesn’t get the answers he approves of I think DA will be fired.
Jhill like DA they didn’t want to see this it is their worse nightmare………no Palmer in their eyes is in jeopardy. I think and Hope Palmer will be back but I think they have to play Pryor quite a bit next year along with him. Which is what I said they should have done all year this year. But they buried him on the depth chart so they had an excuse NOT to do it.
I wanted to win games and because they had a hidden agenda we couldn’t…………period
1-8 the last 9 games is a firable offense………..period
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They (our strange coaches) should have at least started Pryor in the 2nd half of the games once we were eliminated. Then given him the last 3 starts of the season. Thats how you get better. He needs playing time. But for starting today, I think his future is bright. But for Pryor to get better, he will need better coaches. If Mark is all that smart, he will know this. Keep Palmer for another year. He is a good mentor to Pryor. We need a new OC. It will be hopeless if we don’t. Someone has to take charge and build this offense. This offense right now is a pathetic joke.
So in conclusion, Pryor did well today in spite of knapp. Well enough to show he has a bright future. He has work to do, but he will do the work and improve.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
“It’s tough,” an emotional Philip Rivers said of Turner. “You’ve played quarterback for a guy for 102 games. That’s a lot of time spent. A lot of fun, a lot of hard work, plenty of disagreements and aggravations. It’s hard.
“Other than my dad, I don’t know that there has been a coach that you’ve had so much respect for and trust for. Six years is a long time.”
And now Turner’s time is up.
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Think any Raider player feels like this about Dennis Allen?
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If any Raider player feels six years is a long time with the same coach?
Doubt it.
If you said “six coaches in six years” then maybe yes.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
You People are retarded!
Before TP:
51 points in 4 games
0 TDs the last 2 weeks
0 rushing TDs since the. Jags game
With TP:
21 points in ONE game
3 TDs total
1 rushing TD
Like I said, you people are retarded!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
1-8 the last 9 games is a firable offense………..period
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coaches have been fired for less. WAKE UP REGGIE!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Lefty,
SOME of his passes were off. Some of his passes were dropped.
I didn’t see half the problems some of you are coming up with.
Tight JUGS like spirals? Nah, I didn’t see that.
So what???
That pass to Myers after he scrambled was a nice pass for a BIG 1st dn.
Those 1st dn runs to keep drives alive.
Nice back shoulder pass to DHB.
Those are the things we should be talking about. But some of you want to focus on his missed throw to Moore.
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Agree that the throw to Myers showed nice touch and it was the right throw for the situation. Can say the same about the throw he floated out in front of Streater. And that’s about the only 2 throws that should have been floated.
Now let’s talk about the 15 situations where it was the wrong throw for the job. Where he got Streater lit up for no reason. Where he almost caused an int throwing behind Reece on a very short slant where instead of leading him, he soft lobbed a throw behind him. Where he couldn’t get the ball to Moore on a 15 yard out. And that int was horribly read and thrown, where he tried to hit a stationary target with a DB standing next to him with a 4 second hang time punt/throw.
And I don’t understand why people are calling the TD throw to DHB back shoulder. It looked like a route designed for back shoulder, but he missed! Back shoulder is to the sideline side on an out or fade, it’s not back to the inside where you just left the DB. That ball was floated to the wrong side, the DB made a move inside on the ball to establish position, and DHB pushed off him and then had to reach way back inside — not backside — to recover the ball as he was falling away after the push.
That was not a nice throw. It was a bad throw that very likely was an interception without a very Raider of old like if-it-ain’t-callled-it-ain’t-cheatin’ play by DHB to save the day.
His other TD was also a very bad throw. He benefitted from broken coverage due to a slip, which is great, but that kind of throw can’t work in any other situation. I don’t want to rely on those for scoring regularly!
Right now, we’ve only seen the ability to make one kind of throw. That touch pass is nice, but it’s a special circumstances type of throw. Yes, it work better when you’re scrambling around and can catch the coverage in no man’s land trying to stop you from running with a man to cover behind them. But that’s not what you want to be your bread and butter.
He showed zero ability to make any othe rkind of throw. He now has an entire offseason to work on this. If we don’t see him mixing throws with zip by preseason, then it’s time to buy him some WR gloves.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I think Mark is having a long talk with DA and said “I like the way you brought Terrell along. Most would have bowed to pressure, putting him in too early, and destroying his confidence. you didn’t, and for that I thank you. Next year we need to work on that throwing motion, or switch him to WR.”
DA: “I agree.”
December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest,
Not a fan of the 2 QB system.
No need to bring a 17 million dollar QB in to play part time, or “hand the reigns over”.
One or the other, imo.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Alfred Morris never ran in the ZBS, and looks like a future MVP of the league in it.
McFadden sucks, I have never heard of a RB not being able to run in the ZBS.
It is like a dream come true for most of them.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
J Hill,don’t throw me in with those that say he can’t play.I have never said that and I find it offensive you put me in that group.I have ALWAYS said he needs to sit and learn for a while and I still believe that.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Lefty,
SOME of his passes were off. Some of his passes were dropped.
I didn’t see half the problems some of you are coming up with.
Tight JUGS like spirals? Nah, I didn’t see that.
So what???
That pass to Myers after he scrambled was a nice pass for a BIG 1st dn.
Those 1st dn runs to keep drives alive.
Nice back shoulder pass to DHB.
Those are the things we should be talking about. But some of you want to focus on his missed throw to Moore.
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Agree that the throw to Myers showed nice touch and it was the right throw for the situation. Can say the same about the throw he floated out in front of Streater. And that’s about the only 2 throws that should have been floated.
Now let’s talk about the 15 situations where it was the wrong throw for the job. Where he got Streater lit up for no reason. Where he almost caused an int throwing behind Reece on a very short slant where instead of leading him, he soft lobbed a throw behind him. Where he couldn’t get the ball to Moore on a 15 yard out. And that int was horribly read and thrown, where he tried to hit a stationary target with a DB standing next to him with a 4 second hang time punt/throw.
And I don’t understand why people are calling the TD throw to DHB back shoulder. It looked like a route designed for back shoulder, but he missed! Back shoulder is to the sideline side on an out or fade, it’s not back to the inside where you just left the DB. That ball was floated to the wrong side, the DB made a move inside on the ball to establish position, and DHB pushed off him and then had to reach way back inside — not backside — to recover the ball as he was falling away after the push.
That was not a nice throw. It was a bad throw that very likely was an interception without a very Raider of old like if-it-ain’t-callled-it-ain’t-cheatin’ play by DHB to save the day.
His other TD was also a very bad throw. He benefitted from broken coverage due to a slip, which is great, but that kind of throw can’t work in any other situation. I don’t want to rely on those for scoring regularly!
Right now, we’ve only seen the ability to make one kind of throw. That touch pass is nice, but it’s a special circumstances type of throw. Yes, it work better when you’re scrambling around and can catch the coverage in no man’s land trying to stop you from running with a man to cover behind them. But that’s not what you want to be your bread and butter.
He showed zero ability to make any othe rkind of throw. He now has an entire offseason to work on this. If we don’t see him mixing throws with zip by preseason, then it’s time to buy him some WR gloves.
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Excellent analysis. Dead on.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Now let’s talk about the 15 situations where it was the wrong throw for the job
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NO!
Because we aren’t allowed to talk about Palmer’s incompletions, 3 and outs, or INTs, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Any news yet from head quarters? Reggie hand out pink slips yet? Reggie needs to hire the new coaches right away so they can get to work. Don’t wait around. Get busy.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
TP: Sorry RaiderNation I assure you that we will be great. Sorry for the loss !!
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TP = Winner
Eff the haters!
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Absent from todays action were procedure penalties, and delay of game or burned time outs.
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You mean aside from the two procedure penalties (one on Ausberry and one on illegal formation for an uncovered end) and the time out that the coach burned?
Isn’t it a little too soon to start revising history from a game that happened just a few hours ago?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
KoolKell you are a 49er fan GTF out of here.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
You People are retarded!
Before TP:
51 points in 4 games
0 TDs the last 2 weeks
0 rushing TDs since the. Jags game
With TP:
21 points in ONE game
3 TDs total
1 rushing TD
Like I said, you people are retarded!
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Shut up, boy. It’s past your bedtime.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Based on everything we know as fact to this point,TP6 did not do that bad….He looked often like a rookie,but with promise….I also think the Defense has promise with some more youth infusion….But Knapp is crap and should be fired before 6am manana…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Com’on Reggie. The suspense is awful. Hire the new coaches now.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Is Knapp fired yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
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KoolKell you are a 49er fan GTF out of here.
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I’m a Raider fan, and a 49er fan.
Next time you address me, you call me Mr. KoolKell, and wait for me to acknowledge me.
Or else.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest,
Not a fan of the 2 QB system.
No need to bring a 17 million dollar QB in to play part time, or “hand the reigns over”.
One or the other, imo.
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Hand the reigns over to a guy who threw for 150 yards on less than 50% passing?
LMFAO
What are you smoking Jhill? He throws rainbows….it will be a complete disaster.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
My gut feeling tells me Reggie is going to keep DA and Knapp. It’s hopeless.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
If palmer had posted the numbers that pryor did today the haters would say “it isnt palmer fault”.
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It isn’t his fault for what? Losing a game?
Ummm…..isn’t that what your saying now?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Bibby is right on…
No matter what DR R0B0T and others spew…
pryor GOT US IN THE END ZONE…something your lover boy cp3 and leinert couldnt do for 2 weeks straight.
get over it. tp6 needs refining but at 500K in ‘13 hes the way to go vs 13M (ie TWENTY SIX TIMES THAT SALARY). He is NOT worth ANYWHERE near that. anyone who argues otherwise —> pure m0r0n…
Now we know no qb should be drafted in 13 (much more pressing needs) AND OUR CAP GETS A LATE XMAS GIFT TODAY.
AND we lost so kept pick 3. yes.
Good bye CP (unless u get down to 5-6M)
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# Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Say it ain’t so, Joe. Are we getting new coaches or not? Com’on Reggie, do the right thing. BRING HOME GRUDEN.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
You People are retarded!
Before TP:
51 points in 4 games
0 TDs the last 2 weeks
0 rushing TDs since the. Jags game
With TP:
21 points in ONE game
3 TDs total
1 rushing TD
Like I said, you people are retarded!
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Shut up, boy. It’s past your bedtime.
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RGIII – mobile QB – playoffs
Ponder – mobile QB – playoffs
Kapernick – mobile QB – playoffs
Wilson – mobile QB – playoffs
ADJUST WITH THE TIMES….please – its reality, with TP, he has an added dimension, stop with the hate
WHO ELSE IS GOING TO BE QB (esp. with Palmer being owed 13.5 mil, a relatively weak QB class? and weak FA class?)
they have to look to the future and Pryor did ok…
anybody see the pattern?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
So what y’all think imma start a bring back Knapp campaign. Lol! #bringbackKnapp
6:56pm – 30 Dec 12
It’s official y’all crazy LOL I’m about to remove that knapp tweet. Be nice PEOPLE!! BE NICE!! #MeanRaiderFans
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LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Pryor haters need to chew on this: We got into the endzon 3 times today. When was the last time that happened?
December 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Bibby is right on…
No matter what DR R0B0T and others spew…
pryor GOT US IN THE END ZONE…something your lover boy cp3 and leinert couldnt do for 2 weeks straight.
get over it. tp6 needs refining but at 500K in ‘13 hes the way to go vs 13M (ie TWENTY SIX TIMES THAT SALARY). He is NOT worth ANYWHERE near that. anyone who argues otherwise —> pure m0r0n…
Now we know no qb should be drafted in 13 (much more pressing needs) AND OUR CAP GETS A LATE XMAS GIFT TODAY.
AND we lost so kept pick 3. yes.
Good bye CP (unless u get down to 5-6M)
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# Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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These people will hate on a rainbow.
Let em stew, they arent seeing the reality of the situation…you have a QB with similar dimensions as QBs that are in the playoffs.
it is the year of the young QB, and its a transitional period for a lot of teams…
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
PRYOR PUT 3 TDS ON THE BOARD AND TURNED IT OVER ONCE
PRETTY DAMN GOOD!!!
Go ahead and pick apart some of the the throws, yet you miss the big picture.
A qb that has not practiced with the first team all year, gets sparce practice in the last week of the season and puts 3 tds on the board for an offense that hasnt scored a td in multiple games in a row!!!!!
QB SEARCH SOLVED!!!
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I, likewise, am very excited to see what he can do. His passes were not very good, but this was his first start, and he put 3 tds on the board. Something we haven’t seen in a while.
With all that being said, we HAVE TO GET RID OF THESE IDIOT COACHES.
Otherwise, it’s all for naught.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
David Ausberry was abysmal blocking in the run game and had the false start at the goalline, coming out of a timeout no less.
Another blog “Do Nothing” All-star, to join Bruce Campbell, Franz Joseph, Kellen Heard and Colt Brennan.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Allen saying, “he was alright” about Pryor said in a child-like way grumbling under his breath “shucks i hate to be proven wrong and shown up.”
Like some people posting today.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
This is how far the might have fallen….the Nation ejaculates over a 150 yard performance by a 2nd year QB in the era or repressed defense and 300-400+ yard passing games by true rookies…
….smh. Poor saps.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
So what y’all think imma start a bring back Knapp campaign. Lol! #bringbackKnapp
6:56pm – 30 Dec 12
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Thats cool, but the support may not be there. Start a poll first.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Accuracy improves with game reps and comfort in the offense.
The more he plays the better he will be.
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In other words, dumbass, his throws were horribly offtarget.
Yeah, dumbass, we know.
Everyone knows.
And your slip just acknowledged what we saw. TP’s throws were just plain bad.
December 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Priest,
Not a fan of the 2 QB system.
No need to bring a 17 million dollar QB in to play part time, or “hand the reigns over”.
One or the other, imo.
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Hand the reigns over to a guy who threw for 150 yards on less than 50% passing?
LMFAO
What are you smoking Jhill? He throws rainbows….it will be a complete disaster.
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some might say this year was a complete disaster
December 30th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Sadly, we’re stuck with DA, Mark, Reggie, Palmer, the whole sorry lot. Knapp might be sacrificed this year but they’ll just replace him with more garbage. No OC worth anything wants to be in this mess.
Get used to it. It’s only going to get worse. We were lucky to win 4 games – this team will be terrible next year and that is only the beginning.
And you thought the mid 2000’s were bad..
Sell the team Mark. Just Sell, Baby.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Over on the Forbidden Site, someone put together our defensive stats since McClain was benched:
257 total yards per game
16.75 points per game
83 rushing yards per game
191.5 passing yards per game
11 sacks
4 takeaways
I’d say DA and Tarver have the defense moving in the right direction.
— Exactly, only if Knapp had the guts to bench Mcfadden and start goodson full time instead of trying to get Mcfadden going at any cost
December 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
This is how far the might have fallen….the Nation ejaculates over a 150 yard performance by a 2nd year QB in the era or repressed defense and 300-400+ yard passing games by true rookies…
….smh. Poor saps.
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Not necessarily true. Happy we got the 3 TDs’ and he was not a flop, in spite of knapp. But first things first. We need new coaches.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/53175/much-left-to-do-in-afc-west
Pryor prove himself? I really liked what I saw from Terrelle Pryor on Sunday. He showed leadership, poise and heart.
He is not a finished product, but I think there is something Oakland can work with. There are a lot of young, dynamic quarterbacks in this league. I think
Oakland had to make developing Pryor quickly a priority. Carson Palmer is 33, expensive, and not improving.
If Pryor makes big strides in the offseason, I don’t think it would be a terrible idea for Oakland to consider handing him the starting job. This team will be still rebuilding for the next couple of years. Might as well give the kid a chance.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
You People are retarded!
Before TP:
51 points in 4 games
0 TDs the last 2 weeks
0 rushing TDs since the. Jags game
With TP:
21 points in ONE game
3 TDs total
1 rushing TD
Like I said, you people are retarded!
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Shut up, boy. It’s past your bedtime.
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Excellent rebuttal. You add so much info to this blog like posting “$15 million for CP or 3 million for TP” 100+ times.
Keep up the great work.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Ausberry, MM34, Reece, these guys are all one trick ponies, they can do one thing fairly well, and flat out suck at everything else.
They are the Jamaal Crawford’s of the NFL.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
TP might not have the throwing skills palmer has…but tp gives us a better chance to score and win..and in the end thats what u want….to me palmer is another romo..a good fantasy qb
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Don’t worry about m1st1c, he’s a full time troll, who has degree in trolliology (i just made that word up)
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I want to see Pryor hook up with a QB coach in the off season. He needs to throw 100,000 balls. From all angles. From under center. From the shotgun.
He needs to put in that kind of work to get to the place he wants to be.
If can do that and make it stick, he’s got a shot.
He’s been in the league for two seasons. He still looks like he’s learning how to throw.
He can’t show up at camp next year still not getting it.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
The chargers made 11 qb sacks last week.
How many times was TP sacked today?
ZERO!!!!
Palmer and linart both would have had cracked ribs and bruised lungs today.
Palmer is toast who need him?
Bring me chip kelly, marc trestman, kyle shanahn!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
some might say this year was a complete disaster
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Some will say it was a total disater. And pathetic. It was an innappropiate use of personel. We were out coached. Not the players fault.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
GG-that is what he was-alright-nothing more,nothing less.Did you want the HC to stand up and tell us he was great when he wasn’t?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
This is how far the might have fallen….the Nation ejaculates over a 150 yard performance by a 2nd year QB in the era or repressed defense and 300-400+ yard passing games by true rookies…
….smh. Poor saps.
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Oh how these hater fans pollute the Nation….Pryor show them to their reservation at Crow Restaurant in 2013….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Have these scurvy fks walked the plank yet? Aye
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The truth is I’m not a fan of the 2QB system either in fact I hate it. But in this case if it helps this kid get better faster I’m all for it. Because I know by midseason or before Pryor will be starting and CP3 knows as much but is NOT bothered by it.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I want to see Pryor hook up with a QB coach in the off season. He needs to throw 100,000 balls. From all angles. From under center. From the shotgun.
He needs to put in that kind of work to get to the place he wants to be.
If can do that and make it stick, he’s got a shot.
He’s been in the league for two seasons. He still looks like he’s learning how to throw.
He can’t show up at camp next year still not getting it.
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agreed.
I wish some of these “fans” would show up not hating and second guessing every second of every week as well….we arent myopic, but MY GOD, it was just one freaking start….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
These people will hate on a rainbow.
Let em stew, they arent seeing the reality of the situation…you have a QB with similar dimensions as QBs that are in the playoffs.
it is the year of the young QB, and its a transitional period for a lot of teams
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I know right. We have a QB with similar dimensions to the solid pocket passers like Brady, Rogers, Manning, Luck, etc that are going to the playoffs. The guy that created 1.6 TDs per start this season on a game in and game out basis.
Oh wait, you said young? You can’t be alluding to Pryor having the same dimensions as any playoff QBs. Who in the playoffs has an 11 year old girl’s arm? Not RGIII, not Wilson. Those guy have rockets.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RGIII – mobile QB – playoffs
Ponder – mobile QB – playoffs
Kapernick – mobile QB – playoffs
Wilson – mobile QB – playoffs
ADJUST WITH THE TIMES….please – its reality, with TP, he has an added dimension, stop with the hate
WHO ELSE IS GOING TO BE QB (esp. with Palmer being owed 13.5 mil, a relatively weak QB class? and weak FA class?)
they have to look to the future and Pryor did ok…
anybody see the pattern?
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forgot to add:
Pryor-mobile qb-horrible throwing-46% completion-lost game.
Ok, now we’re good.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Todd Marinovich’s 1st NFL start:
23-40, 243 yards, 3 TD’s ZERO turnovers.
Settle down people, young QB’s have a huge advantage over defenses before there is film on them.
The best thing Pryor did today was compete and lead, with great body language and poise.
Really loved that from him. But as a passer………good luck getting some top-flight WR’s to sign up for that.
DHB just tried to kick a ball insead of catching it he was so frustrated.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
GG-that is what he was-alright-nothing more,nothing less.Did you want the HC to stand up and tell us he was great when he wasn’t?
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GG is fine, he has been just hanging out with m1st1c too much lately
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Any news if Reggie has found new coaches yet?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The truth is I’m not a fan of the 2QB system either in fact I hate it. But in this case if it helps this kid get better faster I’m all for it. Because I know by midseason or before Pryor will be starting and CP3 knows as much but is NOT bothered by it.
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They did it for Alex Smith, and was one of the top rated QBs…the kids escape ability YOU CANNOT TEACH, its another factor the defense has to account for, and if coached well enough, he could exploit defenses…thats what these idiots dont get.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Show me a coach who watched Pryor play today and wants him as a starter next year, and I will show you a coach who cannot find work anywhere else.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
GG-that is what he was-alright-nothing more,nothing less.Did you want the HC to stand up and tell us he was great when he wasn’t?
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Lefty12 he hasn’t had a QB play that well in WEEKS yet he says what Palmer does is OUTSTANDING!! and we get 5 FG’s.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Yup no point in bringing back Palmer next year. Soon as Palmer plays average and throws INT’s like usual there will be a QB controversy.Don’t waste time and money. Just save everybody the nonsense and use that money for some “players”.
Bring in a REAL OC and roll with TP
Raiders are REBUILDING right?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
CP is a better passer than TP, but should we pay Palmer all that money to finish 5-11/6-10 next year, or should we trade him for a high pick and use the money to fix some of our needs in FA. We can sign a QB to compete with TP like Moore or Gerrard.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Any news if Reggie has found new coaches yet?
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Patience…its going to be awhile…they’ll have to sort through the coaches that will be free as teams are eliminated from post-season play.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The onus falls back on allen and his clueless staff with regard to pryor.
If pryor was bale to score on all three redzone trips and put up 21 points with less than a week of starter reps in practice,
HOW GOOD WOULD HE HAVE LOOKED IF THEY HAD WENT ALL IN 4-5 WEEKS AGO WHEN WE WERE CLEARLY OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS????
Carson also wouldnt be out with cracked ribs and bruised trade value.
These idiots need to be fired they are running a chicken outfit!!!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
How is it the Pryor lovers refuse to see the following?
Stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I want to see Pryor hook up with a QB coach in the off season. He needs to throw 100,000 balls. From all angles. From under center. From the shotgun.
He needs to put in that kind of work to get to the place he wants to be.
If can do that and make it stick, he’s got a shot.
He’s been in the league for two seasons. He still looks like he’s learning how to throw.
He can’t show up at camp next year still not getting it.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Pryor was confidence and showed poise but my god those throws were awful, almost got Streater killed, remember what happened when Russell got JLH killed, he killed our only punt returner and we haven’t found one since then
December 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Lefty,
Offensive???
I just explained to you what I meant by you guys saying he can’t play. Again, if you say his throws are floaters, he won’t last playing like that, he’s not a starter, then TO ME it says the guy can’t play.
Not ready to play = can’t play.
I’m not saying you questioned his mental skills and all the other BS some of the trolls are running. But you clearly don’t want Pryor starting. And that would seem to indicate you don’t think he’s any good.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
GG-that is what he was-alright-nothing more,nothing less.Did you want the HC to stand up and tell us he was great when he wasn’t?
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Allen doesn’t need to keep testing Pryor to see if his attitude is right. We’ve all seen Pryor answer and respond the 100% right way at every obstacle already…from his suspension, to wanting to be great, to being unhappy with himself, expecting more, to being upset today because he didnt win.
There’s nothing wrong with some encouragment and smiling, a pat on the back, from time to time.
You know, like the OPPOSITION HC did for him.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
canadianraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
TP might not have the throwing skills palmer has…but tp gives us a better chance to score and win..and in the end thats what u want….to me palmer is another romo..a good fantasy qb
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You guys are all aware that Palmer threw for 2 or more TDs in 7 of his 13 (completed) starts. That’s more than half. Pryor did once against a team with a crappy defense that had nothing to play for. I’m not sure why there’s even a comparison.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Terrelle Pryor would’ve beaten the Panthers and the Chiefs as well as Chargers had they groomed him properly. Instead of 4 wins the coach would have 7-9 wins if they USE Pryor early.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Show me a coach who watched Pryor play today and wants him as a starter next year, and I will show you a coach who cannot find work anywhere else.
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Same thing said of Robert Wilson when Flynn was handed the job
they’ll have them compete for starting positions, and if he starts
please add fries with that crow you’ll be eating. He scored more td’s than Palmer or Leinart has in the two previous games and KC and Carolina were weaker than SD
What fan WANTS his QB to fail?
WTF ?!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The truth is I’m not a fan of the 2QB system either in fact I hate it. But in this case if it helps this kid get better faster I’m all for it. Because I know by midseason or before Pryor will be starting and CP3 knows as much but is NOT bothered by it.
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They did it for Alex Smith, and was one of the top rated QBs…the kids escape ability YOU CANNOT TEACH, its another factor the defense has to account for, and if coached well enough, he could exploit defenses…thats what these idiots dont get.
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Escapebility isn’t everything it’s a nice thing to have to go with good arm, but when that’s all your relying on than you ain’t going far, look @ M Vick
December 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Raiders are REBUILDING right?
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Not sure. By the looks of it, they are a trainwreck waiting for the wrecking ball.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Did we give up any sacks last week either?
I think we finished in the top 5 for sacks allowed on the season.
We were tied for 8th coming into today.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RaiderSam, at least we know there are a FEW rational fans left on this board…sadly we are in the severe minority!
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# RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Bibby is right on…
No matter what DR R0B0T and others spew…
pryor GOT US IN THE END ZONE…something your lover boy cp3 and leinert couldnt do for 2 weeks straight.
get over it. tp6 needs refining but at 500K in ‘13 hes the way to go vs 13M (ie TWENTY SIX TIMES THAT SALARY). He is NOT worth ANYWHERE near that. anyone who argues otherwise —> pure m0r0n…
Now we know no qb should be drafted in 13 (much more pressing needs) AND OUR CAP GETS A LATE XMAS GIFT TODAY.
AND we lost so kept pick 3. yes.
Good bye CP (unless u get down to 5-6M)
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# Jackie Bibby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We couldnt score in the redzone at all with cp or leinart, tp gets in there and makes sht happen. TP haters be quite, he played well today you guys were wrong… Nuff said.
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These people will hate on a rainbow.
Let em stew, they arent seeing the reality of the situation…you have a QB with similar dimensions as QBs that are in the playoffs.
it is the year of the young QB, and its a transitional period for a lot of teams…
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Fire DA weeks ago with cause
December 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Meanwhile, Allen is always so effusive in praise about Burris, even when he makes a lot of mistakes. It’s always, that’s ok, he’s learning, getting it. He is happy to praise Burris for his enthusiasm alone.
Yet Pryor he rides him with a sour face in interviews.
Let’s not pretend Mark/Reggie ordered Allen to start Pryor this week. It was quite obvious such a 360 degree flip-flop over the span of some hours.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
The truth is I’m not a fan of the 2QB system either in fact I hate it. But in this case if it helps this kid get better faster I’m all for it. Because I know by midseason or before Pryor will be starting and CP3 knows as much but is NOT bothered by it.
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They did it for Alex Smith, and was one of the top rated QBs…the kids escape ability YOU CANNOT TEACH, its another factor the defense has to account for, and if coached well enough, he could exploit defenses…thats what these idiots dont get.
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Escapebility isn’t everything it’s a nice thing to have to go with good arm, but when that’s all your relying on than you ain’t going far, look @ M Vick
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Thats true, i’m afraid…maybe he’ll work like never before in the offseason. For every Robert Wilson or RGIII there’s a vince young and Michael Vick
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
GG Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
GG-that is what he was-alright-nothing more,nothing less.Did you want the HC to stand up and tell us he was great when he wasn’t?
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Allen doesn’t need to keep testing Pryor to see if his attitude is right. We’ve all seen Pryor answer and respond the 100% right way at every obstacle already…from his suspension, to wanting to be great, to being unhappy with himself, expecting more, to being upset today because he didnt win.
There’s nothing wrong with some encouragment and smiling, a pat on the back, from time to time.
You know, like the OPPOSITION HC did for him.
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Pryor is fine, DA was happy as hell when he saw Pryor makes exciting plays, just because in media he likes to tell them as it is, that he needs ways to go as evidenced by some of his throws and getting receivers killed, you don’t know what the talk about in private etc etc, quit speculating
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Any news if Reggie has found new coaches yet?
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Patience…its going to be awhile…they’ll have to sort through the coaches that will be free as teams are eliminated from post-season play.
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Damn.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
He shows up everyday, and it’s up to the coaches to get his arm ready. If they had, he wouldn’t have had so many balls thrown behind the players, or at their knees.
Coaches coach, and players play. Coaches needed to coach better so Pryor would have had a better outing.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
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Really hope Pryor get it done next year , just to shut these clowns up once and for all…..
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Another rational soul….Im getting worried this place is starting to make sense!
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# Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
CP is a better passer than TP, but should we pay Palmer all that money to finish 5-11/6-10 next year, or should we trade him for a high pick and use the money to fix some of our needs in FA. We can sign a QB to compete with TP like Moore or Gerrard.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Before any roster moves etc, McKenzie needs to figure out what our identity is? Are we a WCO or a vertical offense team? I really hope that Knapp is fired this week and we try adn get Norv Turner as OC or even promote Al Saunders to OC.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Show me a coach who watched Pryor play today and wants him as a starter next year, and I will show you a coach who cannot find work anywhere else.
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Same thing said of Robert Wilson when Flynn was handed the job
they’ll have them compete for starting positions, and if he starts
please add fries with that crow you’ll be eating. He scored more td’s than Palmer or Leinart has in the two previous games and KC and Carolina were weaker than SD
What fan WANTS his QB to fail?
WTF ?!
++++++++++++++++++
I do not want this organization to make another mistake and waste another year of my life by pretending Pryor is something that he never will be….a legit NFL QB. After 150 yards, and hot air balloon throws, people are calling for him to be the STARTER next season.
Pure insanity.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
He shows up everyday, and it’s up to the coaches to get his arm ready. If they had, he wouldn’t have had so many balls thrown behind the players, or at their knees.
Coaches coach, and players play. Coaches needed to coach better so Pryor would have had a better outing.
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He seems to drop the ball over coverage, and when he tried to zip with velocity he trailed the receiver by a step
and Tasker was like; “but they still gotta catch those”…..
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Not getting out of bounds at the end of the 1st half is something a 9th grader would get screamed at by his coach.
Not sure what he was thiking not getting OOB immediately.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
It was nice not having a statue for a qb today.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
— that’s called watching game film you idiot , you don’t necessarily need to have more game time experience to know what a certain player likes to do ,i know i shouldn’t reply to a professional troller, but you’re dumb as rocks, n couldn’t hold back
December 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
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Can you make it any easier to call out the stupidity? The coach told him exactly what to do on the play. No read, just do what he just told you to do. You know, the horrible coach that doesn’t know anything about offense?
So Pryor goes out does just what he told him to do, no reading necessary, and the play worked.
Good coaching gets the credit here. Thanks for providing the hard data.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Start a new thread already geesh, how much can there be to write about.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Show me a coach who watched Pryor play today and wants him as a starter next year, and I will show you a coach who cannot find work anywhere else.
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Same thing said of Robert Wilson when Flynn was handed the job
they’ll have them compete for starting positions, and if he starts
please add fries with that crow you’ll be eating. He scored more td’s than Palmer or Leinart has in the two previous games and KC and Carolina were weaker than SD
What fan WANTS his QB to fail?
WTF ?!
++++++++++++++++++
I do not want this organization to make another mistake and waste another year of my life by pretending Pryor is something that he never will be….a legit NFL QB. After 150 yards, and hot air balloon throws, people are calling for him to be the STARTER next season.
Pure insanity.
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Nah, Gannon threw some ducks in his time as well…he’ll be the back up to Palmer, or they’ll release Palmer and draft someone to compete with him.
The issue is..can they tailor an offense around a read-zone skill set that would be difficult to defend as you saw with Washington tonight.
if Knapp stays…(sigh)…its looking like Palmer or (insert draft pick) will be the QB moving forward.
Have a feeling Davis is leaning toward getting this guy a fair chance, as it was his father’s last pick.
We’ll see..im just saying give him a chance, should Palmer fail mid-season
WHAT OTHER QB WOULD YOU SEE DRAFTED?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
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LMFAO
No, that is on his ARM! Arm transplant planned for the offseason? No?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Best news I have read this evening. Hope it happens soon: Raiders expected to fire Knapp per Vic Tafur
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Raiders-expected-to-fire-Knapp-4156242.php
December 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Show me a coach who watched Pryor play today and wants him as a starter next year, and I will show you a coach who cannot find work anywhere else.
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Same thing said of Robert Wilson when Flynn was handed the job
they’ll have them compete for starting positions, and if he starts
please add fries with that crow you’ll be eating. He scored more td’s than Palmer or Leinart has in the two previous games and KC and Carolina were weaker than SD
What fan WANTS his QB to fail?
WTF ?!
++++++++++++++++++
I do not want this organization to make another mistake and waste another year of my life by pretending Pryor is something that he never will be….a legit NFL QB. After 150 yards, and hot air balloon throws, people are calling for him to be the STARTER next season.
Pure insanity.
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150 yds? Wilson over in Seattle barley breaks 200 yds a game. WHAT? It’s TP first damn game. He will improve. How many TD’s today? Oh yeah 3 TD’s
December 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
It was nice not having a statue for a qb today.
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THANK YOU.
and thats what got Palmer creamed in the first place that got us in that position….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
seriously?
I was SCREAMING at the screen for D)A to kick the fg! 59 yrds..112 seconds left no time outs….
asking tp to run ANY play was yet anothe example of stupidityand bad situational game management.
D0A is a wingnut. good riddance..
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# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Not getting out of bounds at the end of the 1st half is something a 9th grader would get screamed at by his coach.
Not sure what he was thiking not getting OOB immediately.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
It was nice not having a statue for a qb today.
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Just as nice as it was watching the team get another L and closer to a top pick.
What wasn’t so nice was watching the WRs get lit up by poorly thrown balls. But hey, you got to see a QB run around a lot and then make really bad throws, often missing wide open targets. True excitement!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
He shows up everyday, and it’s up to the coaches to get his arm ready. If they had, he wouldn’t have had so many balls thrown behind the players, or at their knees.
Coaches coach, and players play. Coaches needed to coach better so Pryor would have had a better outing.
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You ever seen a professional bull pen where pitching coaches work with their pitchers to get the mechanics on track? They get better. It is up to the coaches to provide that environment for the players to improve upon. Pryor needs this. Until he gets the proper coaches, he may struggle. But if Reggie and Mark are wise, they will bring in some good coaches who know a thing or two about mechanics, and game planning and game management too. And coaches who understand personel.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
He shows up everyday, and it’s up to the coaches to get his arm ready. If they had, he wouldn’t have had so many balls thrown behind the players, or at their knees.
Coaches coach, and players play. Coaches needed to coach better so Pryor would have had a better outing.
– i would rate that troll comment 9/10 in troll grade
December 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
“Let’s get this right, I LOVE Mike Goodson,” Pryor emphasized. “That’s my guy. That’s one of my very good friends, and I know I slammed him but you can’t do that. We’re about to score. How hard it is, me just being in the stance watching Carson, it’s very hard to get down there and score in the NFL and when we’re down there, what if we get a 15 yard penalty? We’re screwed. And I just said ‘Mike, you can’t do that’ and he said ‘What do you expect me to do, he hit me?’ and was like ‘you gotta be the bigger man. How many times have we been… last year we had over 160 penalties, I don’t know how many yards, maybe 1000 football fields. We have to be the bigger guy when scuffles happen like that and I told him, you can’t do that. I got caught up and I gotta apologize for throwing him like that. It’s just me being a leader and just trying to get him off. I don’t think I handled it the right way but I’m a feisty guy.” – TP6
This kid is a grinder, he is the type that demands that everyone lift their level of awareness and professionalism.
He is ahead of the curve in the category, and when was the last time this team could say that at qb?
Carson throws post pick 6 tantrums and guys just roll their eyes
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
150 yds? Wilson over in Seattle barley breaks 200 yds a game. WHAT? It’s TP first damn game. He will improve. How many TD’s today? Oh yeah 3 TD’s
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Ummm, Wilson has one of the best running games in the league and a top defense. He’s not asked to get more than 200 yards in the air. That’s unnecessary risk and stepping away from the strength of the team.
The Raiders, as long as they keep trying to make DMac illy fit their system, have no running game. Their QB is asked, no demanded, to put up 300 yard games to win. Pryor failed. The team lost.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Should have played Pryor a lot earlier, because like Tebow, he plays with a recklessness and passion that is infusive to the rest of the team.
From a passing standpoint though…..I was more impressed with Marinovich, Billy Joe Hobert and Jamarcus’ first start.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
seriously?
I was SCREAMING at the screen for D)A to kick the fg! 59 yrds..112 seconds left no time outs….
asking tp to run ANY play was yet anothe example of stupidityand bad situational game management.
D0A is a wingnut. good riddance..
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# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Not getting out of bounds at the end of the 1st half is something a 9th grader would get screamed at by his coach.
Not sure what he was thiking not getting OOB immediately.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
Not impressed with DA’s game management skills.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
You ever seen a professional bull pen where pitching coaches work with their pitchers to get the mechanics on track? They get better. It is up to the coaches to provide that environment for the players to improve upon. Pryor needs this. Until he gets the proper coaches, he may struggle. But if Reggie and Mark are wise, they will bring in some good coaches who know a thing or two about mechanics, and game planning and game management too. And coaches who understand personel.
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Wisdom.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Pryor: has a lot of qualities that are impressive, but the most important one, his passing skill, particularly the most important passing skill–accuracy–is still a big question.
His wide outs missed making plays today (what the heck is up with Denarius Moore, acts afraid to go for a ball), but there were too many occasions when the ball was thrown behind the receiver or didn’t lead the receiver or led the receiver too much). One game doesn’t tell us anything about his proclivity to be accurate or inaccurate, but if it’s been a recurrent problem in practice only to show itself today in a real game, that is a big concern.
So the question becomes, can you teach accuracy at this level? Is there something in his motion that is the problem or is his inaccuracy a matter of timing and getting used to the speed at which receivers run and make their cuts? Looks to me as if he doesn’t push off his back foot and doesn’t actually finish his arm motion.
I think he looks as if he can compete for the number 2 spot for sure.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
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Can you make it any easier to call out the stupidity? The coach told him exactly what to do on the play. No read, just do what he just told you to do. You know, the horrible coach that doesn’t know anything about offense?
So Pryor goes out does just what he told him to do, no reading necessary, and the play worked.
Good coaching gets the credit here. Thanks for providing the hard data.
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M1st1c is in super trolling mode today, more than his usual trolling days, his stupidity is getting best out of him
December 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
It was nice not having a statue for a qb today.
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Just as nice as it was watching the team get another L and closer to a top pick.
What wasn’t so nice was watching the WRs get lit up by poorly thrown balls. But hey, you got to see a QB run around a lot and then make really bad throws, often missing wide open targets. True excitement!
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is he a winner
does he take charge
can he score in the red zone
WILL HIS FREAKING RECEIVERS NOT DROP PASSES…Palmer threw perfect passes and they still dropped them
December 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
J Hill,were you satisfied with the way he threw the ball today?Do you believe if he continues to throw nothing but rainbows he will survive in the league and be successful?Do you believe there are times where he will be required to zip a ball into the receiver?Those are things he needs to improve upon.If and when he does,he will become a damn good QB.If not he never will.Pointing those things out means he has to get better,not that he can’t play.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
He shows up everyday, and it’s up to the coaches to get his arm ready. If they had, he wouldn’t have had so many balls thrown behind the players, or at their knees.
Coaches coach, and players play. Coaches needed to coach better so Pryor would have had a better outing.
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Cross poster has hijacked my handle again
upset that pryor looks good and now is in position rid us of those losers carson aplmer, knapp and allen
upset because he showed up palmer with less than a week of starter practice reps.
ill be back this is final post of the night
December 30th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I’ve seen Wilson’s throws…..they look NOTHING like the hot air balloons Pryor throws.
We need to get real here people.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
As fun as this is, it’s pretty useless banter.
Those that saw Pryor as the answer to world peace before he even started now see him as the best QB ever to wear silver and black.
Those with their feet planted in reality and that doubted that Pryor had the complete tool set saw exactly that.
I don’t see a single person saying that what they saw convinced them one way or the other to change their pregame opinion.
No more wasted characters from me on this subject. Happy offseason all.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Pryor: has a lot of qualities that are impressive, but the most important one, his passing skill, particularly the most important passing skill–accuracy–is still a big question.
His wide outs missed making plays today (what the heck is up with Denarius Moore, acts afraid to go for a ball), but there were too many occasions when the ball was thrown behind the receiver or didn’t lead the receiver or led the receiver too much). One game doesn’t tell us anything about his proclivity to be accurate or inaccurate, but if it’s been a recurrent problem in practice only to show itself today in a real game, that is a big concern.
So the question becomes, can you teach accuracy at this level? Is there something in his motion that is the problem or is his inaccuracy a matter of timing and getting used to the speed at which receivers run and make their cuts? Looks to me as if he doesn’t push off his back foot and doesn’t actually finish his arm motion.
I think he looks as if he can compete for the number 2 spot for sure.
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He’ll get coached up.
the main question is..will they commit 14 or 15 mil to Palmer, knowing they have holes everywhere else
or do they stay at 3 and take Joeckel at tackle for insurance on Palmer?
the main thing is he didnt stink up the joint…that was the 11th ranked defense…in his first start..he’ll get better, they’ll draft someone to compete with him…but there’s some potential there.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
12 seconds is plenty of time to run a play and stop the clock.
He could have thrown it away or run OOB.
He did neither.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Just watched Pryor again on dvr. In slow motion. I agree that Pryor passes didn’t have zip on them, and were badly inaccurate. But that’s on the coaches, not on Pryor.
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LMFAO
No, that is on his ARM! Arm transplant planned for the offseason? No?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
You are such a hater.
No time to learn last year, he was suspended, and we didn’t have a QB coach.
This is his 1st start in the NFL.
Ready to give up on him after 1 start? A few more plays from the people around him and that can be 55-60+ %.
Stop hating.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Should have played Pryor a lot earlier, because like Tebow, he plays with a recklessness and passion that is infusive to the rest of the team.
+++++++++++++++
A 4 game sample would have been great. Instead now we have to listen to BS about a 150 yard game for the next 9 months.
Jezuz help us.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
As fun as this is, it’s pretty useless banter.
Those that saw Pryor as the answer to world peace before he even started now see him as the best QB ever to wear silver and black.
Those with their feet planted in reality and that doubted that Pryor had the complete tool set saw exactly that.
I don’t see a single person saying that what they saw convinced them one way or the other to change their pregame opinion.
No more wasted characters from me on this subject. Happy offseason all.
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Steve Tasker (who’s played the game) opinion was good enough for me.
he’ s got a shot next year
PERIOD
happy holidays
December 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Oh yeah, that one felt real good,” said Pryor of the pass to Streater. “We knew Jammer would jump some routes… He was jumping everything so coach was like ‘pump and hold the safety to the left because this is gonna be open.’ So I pumped and held the safety, just put a perfect ball and Streater made a play.”–TP6
So the myth that pryor doesnt know the playbook has been exposed. The myth that he cant read a defense is also shown to be false.
Not only did he now where his guy was supposed to be but he also knew how the db would play certain routes?!?!? ALL THAT AFTER LESS THAN A WEEK OF STARTER REPS?!?!
Yes it was also a perfect strike!!
WOW some of you clows look stupid tonight
=====
Can you make it any easier to call out the stupidity? The coach told him exactly what to do on the play. No read, just do what he just told you to do. You know, the horrible coach that doesn’t know anything about offense?
So Pryor goes out does just what he told him to do, no reading necessary, and the play worked.
Good coaching gets the credit here. Thanks for providing the hard data.
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Yes, true that DA held his hand thru that play, but he’s beeen studying, and I’ve seen him make that same play in the preseason, many times. He was telling DA what to do, not the other way around.
These are the things TP practices on his own, with freinds, and family, to be ready when his number is called.
I think his arm looked so weak because he hasn’t used it in a while, but with an offseason, that willchange…period.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
150 yds? Wilson over in Seattle barley breaks 200 yds a game. WHAT? It’s TP first damn game. He will improve. How many TD’s today? Oh yeah 3 TD’s
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Ummm, Wilson has one of the best running games in the league and a top defense. He’s not asked to get more than 200 yards in the air. That’s unnecessary risk and stepping away from the strength of the team.
The Raiders, as long as they keep trying to make DMac illy fit their system, have no running game. Their QB is asked, no demanded, to put up 300 yard games to win. Pryor failed. The team lost.
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Oh get outta here with “Pryor failed”. No he did not. He showed we can pass on paying an INT machine $17 mil owed in 2013 QB average NEVER win Palmer. Time to move on. REBUILDING!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
He is a great player. Get over it – Al Davis
December 30th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Lets be real Dakota:
2 passing TDs, 1 rushing TD, and 1 INT in his 1st start?
Not bad IMO.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
What wasn’t so nice was watching the WRs get lit up by poorly thrown balls.
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What was that line you used earlier about it being too soon to revise history, lol?
Who got lit up, Streater on that completion?
Wedle made a good play. This is football, you know.
How about Palmer’s laser that had DHB laid out on the field?
Cmon man!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
++++++++++++
If you think Pryor can throw like RGIII can to keep the defense honest you might have a brain tumor.
Call your doctor immediately.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Pryor with the read option offense like RGIII.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Should have played Pryor a lot earlier, because like Tebow, he plays with a recklessness and passion that is infusive to the rest of the team.
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A 4 game sample would have been great. Instead now we have to listen to BS about a 150 yard game for the next 9 months.
Jezuz help us.
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THERE IS NO QB IN NEXT YEARS DRAFT that is the answer.
what dont you get about that?
were stuck with Palmer, and this kid did OK.
Jesus help you…3 of the playoff teams have mobile QBs,….. including Luck
you have to have a dimension the defense must account for….
whomever we draft, its pretty much the same result – some good some bad , some accuracy
BUT STILL A ROOKIE, and not on the level of RGIII and certainly not Luck.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
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Stupid quesstion. Like asking if you went out in the rain, how wet would you get.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
The last pick of Al Davis has some serious potential. Go TP!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Dakota,
Why do you keep leaving the 3 TDs off Pryor’s stats when you post them?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
No matter if Pryor can play or not, we need to can Palmer.
Too lifeless. His “stoic” demeanor might be fine for a perennial winner, but well, that isn’t us.
Every rookie QB won more games than him this year. Every 2nd year QB not named Blaine Gabbert won more games than him this year.
Upgrading Carson Palmer will not be difficult.
Hell Crazy Al might have done it with a 3rd round supp picl.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
++++++++++++
If you think Pryor can throw like RGIII can to keep the defense honest you might have a brain tumor.
Call your doctor immediately.
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What other QB is out there?
anytime you have a suggestion spit it out.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
++++++++++++
If you think Pryor can throw like RGIII can to keep the defense honest you might have a brain tumor.
Call your doctor immediately.
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Pryor threw two touchdown passes today.
RGIII didn’t thow any.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
As far as getting Rec’s killed Palmer has been doing that all year in fact since he’s been here.
You guys are judging a kids 1st start as if that is a good as he will get. It’s his 1st start he will speed up his game as he adjust to the speed of the game and do what it takes to make plays.
But f course why bother because any criticism is warranted based on you haters viewpoint.
The kid needed to get something on film so he could spend the offseason getting better based on what he did in this game. he said after the game he can’t wait to get with Palmer to see what he did good and bad to correct it. But I guess that aint good enough for you guys he has to do it the first time out or else.
A bunch of stinkin’ morons in here….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Dakota,
Why do you keep leaving the 3 TDs off Pryor’s stats when you post them?
$$$$$$$$$$
Because that doesn’t help his argument.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Three events must happen in order for the Raiders to be contenders for a Super Bowl
1) Fire Knapp & Kaufman
2) Cut McClain & Kelly
3) Know that our championship qb is not on our roster.
Thankfully Leinart is no longer a Raider, trade Palmer & Pryor; much rather have Vick, Cousins, or a rookie from the 2013 draft.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
“Let’s get this right, I LOVE Mike Goodson,” Pryor emphasized. “That’s my guy. That’s one of my very good friends, and I know I slammed him but you can’t do that. We’re about to score. How hard it is, me just being in the stance watching Carson, it’s very hard to get down there and score in the NFL and when we’re down there, what if we get a 15 yard penalty? We’re screwed. And I just said ‘Mike, you can’t do that’ and he said ‘What do you expect me to do, he hit me?’ and was like ‘you gotta be the bigger man. How many times have we been… last year we had over 160 penalties, I don’t know how many yards, maybe 1000 football fields. We have to be the bigger guy when scuffles happen like that and I told him, you can’t do that. I got caught up and I gotta apologize for throwing him like that. It’s just me being a leader and just trying to get him off. I don’t think I handled it the right way but I’m a feisty guy.” – TP6
This kid is a grinder, he is the type that demands that everyone lift their level of awareness and professionalism.
He is ahead of the curve in the category, and when was the last time this team could say that at qb?
Carson throws post pick 6 tantrums and guys just roll their eyes
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LMFAO you are just something else, how far up your throat is Pryors d999?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
No matter if Pryor can play or not, we need to can Palmer.
Too lifeless. His “stoic” demeanor might be fine for a perennial winner, but well, that isn’t us.
Every rookie QB won more games than him this year. Every 2nd year QB not named Blaine Gabbert won more games than him this year.
Upgrading Carson Palmer will not be difficult.
Hell Crazy Al might have done it with a 3rd round supp picl.
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Of course he did.
Lot of people in denial…off some wanna be Scout nonsense
Gannon threw up a lot of ducks in his day.
They’ll draft a QB if need be, but they need to develop a player and stop with the retread nonsense
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
He could have thrown it away or run OOB.
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WOW
The guy slipped, JFB.
Or he just made a mistake.
BFD man.
FIRST start, no passes I see.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Pryor will be great in the read option.
If only we had coaches with any brains.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Pryor with the read option offense like RGIII.
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You need to grow up a bit, son, and learn the game before you make comments like that.
Pryor has to learn how to throw the ball so the receivers don’t get set up to be totalled.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
++++++++++++
If you think Pryor can throw like RGIII can to keep the defense honest you might have a brain tumor.
Call your doctor immediately.
………………………………………
Pryor threw two touchdown passes today.
RGIII didn’t thow any.
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Now he is better than RGIII…..was the short bus a smoother ride? Just curious.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Lets put Pryor in HOF because of hit great potential, people are getting excited because of potential LMFAO
December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What if the Raiders ran the Read Option with Pryor like the Redskins do in Washington with RGIII?
How different would our season have been?
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Stupid quesstion. Like asking if you went out in the rain, how wet would you get.
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Kirk this is a troll
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Three events must happen in order for the Raiders to be contenders for a Super Bowl
1) Fire Knapp & Kaufman
2) Cut McClain & Kelly
3) Know that our championship qb is not on our roster.
Thankfully Leinart is no longer a Raider, trade Palmer & Pryor; much rather have Vick, Cousins, or a rookie from the 2013 draft.
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Which rookie
and why would they trade draft picks (for Cousins) when trades have been utter disasters for proven players – Cousin only had a couple of good games…?
Please be realistic.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The argument is over. Pryor is NOT an NFL Q. Sorry.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Pryor with the read option offense like RGIII.
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You need to grow up a bit, son, and learn the game before you make comments like that.
Pryor has to learn how to throw the ball so the receivers don’t get set up to be totalled.
………………………………………….
You need a little humility. The read option is a running offense.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So now according to some posters Pryor > RGIII ? LMFAO this is getting ridiculous by the day
December 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Lets put Pryor in HOF because of hit great potential, people are getting excited because of potential LMFAO
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Grow up.
He scored 3 TDs when his superior QBs didnt score any v. KC or Carolina, and mind you they were in the redzone in a couple of those games.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Like him or not Pryor brought excitement to this team, something that has been mysteriously lacking all season starting week 1.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The argument is over. Pryor is NOT an NFL Q. Sorry.
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Yes, he is.
He would be very perfect for the read option.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What else do we have so far to go on the coaches denied the kid opportunities to prove his potential. What would you suggest we go on?
Pryor did in his 1st start what Palmer and Leinart were not able to do and I know trhat pisses you guys off but……….tough!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So now according to some posters Pryor > RGIII ? LMFAO this is getting ridiculous by the day
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No, were just saying he has a shot to compete for 2 and even 1 if he has a great preseason.
They are saying put Pryor in a scheme similar to the read-option (tailor it around his strengths).
You’d prefer a 13.5 mil statue that could get blasted into I.R. AGAIN!?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Lets put Pryor in HOF because of hit great potential, people are getting excited because of potential LMFAO
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Grow up.
He scored 3 TDs when his superior QBs didnt score any v. KC or Carolina, and mind you they were in the redzone in a couple of those games.
— oh big freaking deal ? cuz he scored 3 TDs he’s better than Palmer? LMFAO
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I don’t, however, agree that because it was his first start, he will automatically improve.
Jamarcus, Billy Joe Hobert and Marinovcich, never improved. They were at their best their first few weeks.
Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Ray Lucas.
They all got about a half season in them, and fell apart and out of the league.
Their best was at the beginning.
It is a tough hill to climb for TP from here, defenses learned tendencies from him today that weren’t available prior to today.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
The argument is over. Pryor is NOT an NFL Q. Sorry.
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Yes, he is.
He would be very perfect for the read option.
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TRUE, they need to bring in a real OC and go with TP. Use Palmer’s $17 mil cap hit on some “players”.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The read option is the way to take avantage of Pryor’s talents.
Our coaches were too stupid to realize that.
Shanahan got it right.
That is why he is going to the playoffs.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
yeah it might be difficult to find a qb prospect who can throw for 150 yards, while completing a lower completion percentage than dwight howards free throw percentage….how could an ace like that be replaced?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Pryor with the read option offense like RGIII.
———–
You need to grow up a bit, son, and learn the game before you make comments like that.
Pryor has to learn how to throw the ball so the receivers don’t get set up to be totalled.
………………………………………….
You need a little humility. The read option is a running offense
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Kirk this is a troll man…….lol
December 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
I don’t, however, agree that because it was his first start, he will automatically improve.
Jamarcus, Billy Joe Hobert and Marinovcich, never improved. They were at their best their first few weeks.
Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Colt McCoy, Seneca Wallace, Ray Lucas.
They all got about a half season in them, and fell apart and out of the league.
Their best was at the beginning.
It is a tough hill to climb for TP from here, defenses learned tendencies from him today that weren’t available prior to today.
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Like the ablility to be 230 lbs and run a 4.4 forty?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
The Raiders are expected to fire offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and some other members of the staff this week, league sources confirmed. The offense didn’t get on track, especially a running game that came into Sunday’s game ranked 29th in the league (87 yards per game).
Oakland ran for 115 yards against the Chargers, but 49 of those came on Terrelle Pryor scrambles. Darren McFadden, who has struggled with the zone blocking scheme and hasn’t gotten a lot of daylight from his linemen, carried 19 times for 57 yards and finishes the year with a 707 yards at 3.3 yards a pop.
Owner Mark Davis talked with McFadden at midseason about reaching out to Knapp and telling him what kind of running plays he liked. And the Raiders have tried to mix in more power running plays, but it’s been a frustrating season.
“I don’t want to speak on it anymore,” McFadden said. “It is what it is. The season is over now. I am just looking forward to next year.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Raiders-expected-to-fire-Knapp-4156242.php#ixzz2GbZEoklQ
December 30th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
I am really intrigued by Pryor. A ballplayer no doubt, an elite athlete. Looked poised out there, looked like the leader on offense. That being said, I am worried about the balloon festival he put up. You dont need a cannon to play in the NFL, but you wont win throwing balloons. Can they teach him to throw a tight rope?
intrigued…
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So now according to some posters Pryor > RGIII ? LMFAO this is getting ridiculous by the day
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No, were just saying he has a shot to compete for 2 and even 1 if he has a great preseason.
They are saying put Pryor in a scheme similar to the read-option (tailor it around his strengths).
You’d prefer a 13.5 mil statue that could get blasted into I.R. AGAIN!?
—
Unfortunately the game is won by your arm in this league, Pryor would only go so far with his legs when the Ds start game planning for him, as everybody else seen , his throws left a lot to be desired, i hope he works like crazy and develop his arm and take the league by storm, but you can’t just go ahead and cut better players just because of some potential a certain player might have showed in 1 of his games or he scored 3 TDs lol
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What else do we have so far to go on the coaches denied the kid opportunities to prove his potential. What would you suggest we go on?
Pryor did in his 1st start what Palmer and Leinart were not able to do and I know trhat pisses you guys off but……….tough!
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havent heard ONE other option besides Pryor.
Cousins – wtf do you have to trade with? a no 3 overall?!
Geno Smith – exposed v. Syracuse and K-State
M.Barkley – shat his drawers v. Stanford and worked like hell just to be Washington and other scrubs
Bray – too raw, but has the arm – this is a practical pick to compete for no.2 with Pryor or for insurance
Aaron Murray – compared to Drew Brees..hasnt declared yet, and some still doubt he’s big enough for this level
Tyler Wilson – questionable decision making, but has the arm
Landry Jones – has the arm , but stock plummeted
any SUGGESTIONS to QB other than Pryor
or is this the Pryor sucks thread? THINK, people!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
yeah it might be difficult to find a qb prospect who can throw for 150 yards, while completing a lower completion percentage than dwight howards free throw percentage….how could an ace like that be replaced?
………………………………………..
By getting receivers who can catch the ball when it is right in their hands.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So now according to some posters Pryor > RGIII ? LMFAO this is getting ridiculous by the day
==============
No, were just saying he has a shot to compete for 2 and even 1 if he has a great preseason.
They are saying put Pryor in a scheme similar to the read-option (tailor it around his strengths).
You’d prefer a 13.5 mil statue that could get blasted into I.R. AGAIN!?
—
Unfortunately the game is won by your arm in this league, Pryor would only go so far with his legs when the Ds start game planning for him, as everybody else seen , his throws left a lot to be desired, i hope he works like crazy and develop his arm and take the league by storm, but you can’t just go ahead and cut better players just because of some potential a certain player might have showed in 1 of his games or he scored 3 TDs lol
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for the third time
ANY SUGGESTIONS as to who we draft moving forward?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
WOW
The guy slipped, JFB.
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Slipped making a cut he shouldn’t have been trying to make.
Clock-management shouldn’t be something you have to grow into.
A bunch of pinheads on a message board know what to do, I would hope a QB with 40 D-I collegiate starts would.
Horrible mistake, that quite frankly, might have cost us the game.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
STOP BULLSH!TTING AND HIRE A GOOD OC AND STAFF!!!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
So now according to some posters Pryor > RGIII ? LMFAO this is getting ridiculous by the day
==============
No, were just saying he has a shot to compete for 2 and even 1 if he has a great preseason.
They are saying put Pryor in a scheme similar to the read-option (tailor it around his strengths).
You’d prefer a 13.5 mil statue that could get blasted into I.R. AGAIN!?
—
Unfortunately the game is won by your arm in this league, Pryor would only go so far with his legs when the Ds start game planning for him, as everybody else seen , his throws left a lot to be desired, i hope he works like crazy and develop his arm and take the league by storm, but you can’t just go ahead and cut better players just because of some potential a certain player might have showed in 1 of his games or he scored 3 TDs lol
…………………………………….
The Redskins won the division tonight and only threw for 100 yards.
You are behind the times.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Knapp’s play calling, OC skills have gotten the Raiders’ WRs lit up all year, Streater, Moore, and Heyward-Bey have been knockedout multiple times this season.
Knapp must be fired this week, if Allen doesn’t have the courage and understanding of the necessity to do so, then he should be fired also.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
yeah it might be difficult to find a qb prospect who can throw for 150 yards, while completing a lower completion percentage than dwight howards free throw percentage….how could an ace like that be replaced?
………………………………………..
By getting receivers who can catch the ball when it is right in their hands.
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Once again, for the brain dead.
Who scored 3 TDs in four quarters
who scored in the red zone
who didnt in TWO freaking games in 8 quarters (Palmer/Leinart v. garbage Chiefs and Panthers?)
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
The stats dont tell the story. Once again the game was over by the 3rd quarter, no matter how close the final score. Pryors completion pecentage cannot be taken seriously, balls were bouncing off receivers pads…
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The read option is the way to take avantage of Pryor’s talents.
Our coaches were too stupid to realize that.
Shanahan got it right.
That is why he is going to the playoffs.
—- Sorry RGIII was 2nd overall pick , Washington gave up kings ransom to get him , while Pryor was drafted in 3rd rd without any competition from other players, 2 different things, think before you comment
December 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
1144. Agree. With some more practice, Pryor is just as good as Kaepernick. That being said, I would not qualify him as good as Carson Palmer, but he is way better than Leinart. I would say it is embarrassing that Pryor was ranked below Leinart during the entire season.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
The stats dont tell the story. Once again the game was over by the 3rd quarter, no matter how close the final score. Pryors completion pecentage cannot be taken seriously, balls were bouncing off receivers pads…
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for the fourth time
ANY SUGGESTIONS AS TO WHO the Quarter back should be (draft choices?, free agency?)
well?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Actually I was wrong in saying Pryor did what Carson couldn’t. Carson actually has some w’s next to his name. Pryor does’t but it’s not his fault, it’s the coaches fault for not developing him.
Also I know that 150 yds aren’t good, but I think that’s on the receivers, not on Pryor.
If TP had 15 more min he would have won.
I did say all that matters is won loss, and that stats are for losers, and today Pryor lost. I’ll be a man and step up and say he failed.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Reid is OFFICIALLY out in Philly…
1 Down, many more to come.
Stop wasting time Oakland, roll some heads TONIGHT!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The read option is the way to take avantage of Pryor’s talents.
Our coaches were too stupid to realize that.
Shanahan got it right.
That is why he is going to the playoffs.
—- Sorry RGIII was 2nd overall pick , Washington gave up kings ransom to get him , while Pryor was drafted in 3rd rd without any competition from other players, 2 different things, think before you comment
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for the FIFTH freaking time
Are you campaigning for Palmer?
WHO WOULD YOU TAKE IN THE DRAFT – that is BETTER than Pryor?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The Redskins have shown how to win with a QB like Pryor.
Time to move into the 21st century.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
For the record,we’d be better off developing Pryor than we would signing Vick.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Perhaps Mr. Davis made good on his final NFL transaction. Now, where is Mark Davis? Is he talking to Jon Gruden right now? If he is not, there are probably 10 other teams that have Jon Gruden on their 2013 list!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
ANY SUGGESTIONS as to who we draft moving forward?
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Aaron Murray or Landry Jones. Two very, very accurate QB’s with tons of big-game experience.
Let one of them compete with Pryor and let the best man win.
Competition is a great thing with young players. TP looks at Palmer like his dad too much, will defer to him at times.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Vick? No way, never. The guy is a bum. He is an INT machine.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Multiple reports have suggested Reid is interested in the San Diego Chargers job, but NFL.com’s Albert Breer reported that interest doesn’t appear to be mutual. Reid will want a lot of personnel control, and that wouldn’t be the situation in San Diego.
……..
No Reid in San Diego.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
yeah it might be difficult to find a qb prospect who can throw for 150 yards, while completing a lower completion percentage than dwight howards free throw percentage….how could an ace like that be replaced?
………………………………………..
By getting receivers who can catch the ball when it is right in their hands.
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Once again, for the brain dead.
Who scored 3 TDs in four quarters
who scored in the red zone
who didnt in TWO freaking games in 8 quarters (Palmer/Leinart v. garbage Chiefs and Panthers?)
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Didn’t you read what I said? Stats are for losers. Don’t give me stats, or numbers.
Only thing that matters is did you win?
If you didn’t wink, you are a LOSER.
And today Pryor lost…period
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
for the third time
ANY SUGGESTIONS as to who we draft moving forward?
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We go with restructured Palmer as starter and Pryor as his back up, if Pryor shows new OC he deserves to start, they will start him , if he shows he should be utilized in red zone and short to go plays he will be used, we are not drafting or signing another qb this year
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Lefty,
TP6 can get better passing the ball. Of course he can.
I didn’t ONLY see floaters.
I think the kid will be fine because of the other problems he presents for the defense.
If he can keep up the 3 to 1 ratio of TDs to turnovers, then yes, I think the kid will be just fine.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Actually I was wrong in saying Pryor did what Carson couldn’t. Carson actually has some w’s next to his name. Pryor does’t but it’s not his fault, it’s the coaches fault for not developing him.
Also I know that 150 yds aren’t good, but I think that’s on the receivers, not on Pryor.
If TP had 15 more min he would have won.
I did say all that matters is won loss, and that stats are for losers, and today Pryor lost. I’ll be a man and step up and say he failed.
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I’m still not hearing any answers as to who anyone would draft. Geno has dropped to 8th overall in the rankings of draft talent, and Barkley has already dropped to the late 1st early 2nd.
Landry Jones? Ryan Nassib? Aaron Murray? EJ Manuel?
ANYBODY?
its obvious they have to make a decision on Palmer…but who else is out there?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Pryor is an NFL quarterback. Not the best, not the worst, lots of physical gifts, smells the end zone, keeps his head. Peculiar arm, though. Some of his passes looked like ICBM missiles falling earthward.
For now, though, he’s a good, inexpensive backup to a legit number one.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The most exciting time in Raiders football…
The annual “Who’s getting fired?” watch!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
For the record,we’d be better off developing Pryor than we would signing Vick.
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ABsolutely.
Vick is toast.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Those people who want TP6 as the starter next year are either Charger/Chief/Bronco fans or racist …. seriously after 2 years of learning on the bench that’s the best you can do against a Charger team that’s not even trying … okay go for the #1 pick in 2014.
When these running QB ever do win a Super Bowl … I might take them seriously.
Fantasy stats don’t get you to the SB victory parade.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The ORG put him out there to prove to complete dummasses he is not an NFL Q. The team showed he is not an NFL Q bercause the ENTIRE TEAM LOOKED LIKE SH**!. And yet some TOTAL POS are here saying we should drop 5-1-20 games before THEY are convinced he is NOT an NFL Q??? FuKK them!!!!!! Thery proven they are POS! Priest, Mistic, ….. Looking your way here………….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
for the third time
ANY SUGGESTIONS as to who we draft moving forward?
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We go with restructured Palmer as starter and Pryor as his back up, if Pryor shows new OC he deserves to start, they will start him , if he shows he should be utilized in red zone and short to go plays he will be used, we are not drafting or signing another qb this year
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So your saying no other QB to challenge Pryor? Palmer needs help, you say a pass rusher, or take the obvious; Joeckel in the draft (for insurance).
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Should be some good coaches available real soon. FIRE DA!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The Redskins have shown how to win with a QB like Pryor.
Time to move into the 21st century.
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Only thing similar between Redskins qb and the Raiders qb today, is the color of his skin.
Other than that, Pryor can’t carry RGIII’s jock.
Couple of years from now, maybe. But stop saying stupid stuff dude.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Priest, you do not have to say the kid failed. He looked good in his first start, if you heard what Greg Papa said about him last week. I thought there would be false starts and all kinds of problems. Pryor did well in his first outing! No need to draft a QB in this coming draft!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Turf Toe Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Pryor is an NFL quarterback. Not the best, not the worst, lots of physical gifts, smells the end zone, keeps his head. Peculiar arm, though. Some of his passes looked like ICBM missiles falling earthward.
For now, though, he’s a good, inexpensive backup to a legit number one.
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and Palmer is a legit number one?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Kirk Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The Redskins have shown how to win with a QB like Pryor.
Time to move into the 21st century.
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RG was a heisman winner, and has everything Pryor couldn’t even dream of except the speed, they won by 100 yards passing? so what , they had good game running the ball , but when the run game is not going , they can rely on Griffin to make all kinda throws, where as Pryor is far away from becoming that kinda qb, seriously drop the comparison, besides the speed factor, they have nothing else in common
December 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The ORG put him out there to prove to complete dummasses he is not an NFL Q. The team showed he is not an NFL Q bercause the ENTIRE TEAM LOOKED LIKE SH**!. And yet some TOTAL POS are here saying we should drop 5-1-20 games before THEY are convinced he is NOT an NFL Q??? FuKK them!!!!!! Thery proven they are POS! Priest, Mistic, ….. Looking your way here………….
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I don’t care how long it taks, punk, Pryor deserves his shot. he carried the team today…period.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Horrible mistake, that quite frankly, might have cost us the game.
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LOL
Here we go…..
December 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Any of you guys that want to draft a QB, should be following other sports other than the NFL. Pryor is fine as a # 2 for now. We need pass rushers, cornerbacks, offensive linemen. Get off the drugs, some of you!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Alfred Morris is a complete beast.
Reason #843 why McFadden has no trade value.
Morris will make 8% of McNinny’s salary this year.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
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Those running lanes won’t be there once teams start game planning for him, most of those wobbly throws would turn into ints, if he’s going to play like that rest of the way, but lets hope he works on his arm and than can use both his arm and legs to beats Ds
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
before you compare Pryor to RG3 and R. Wilson look at the kid throwing a pass. RG3 and R.Wilson have quick deliveries and were very accurate in college. Pryor is a bigger athlete with a weird delivery and a propensity to throw high. I would steal Cam Newtons gamebook before copying RG3 or Wilsons
Who would I like instead of Pryor? An accurate passer with strong leadership skills. Who? I dont know, thats Reggies job.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
“Those people who want TP6 as the starter next year are either Charger/Chief/Bronco fans or racist …. seriously after 2 years of learning on the bench that’s the best you can do against a Charger team that’s not even trying … okay go for the #1 pick in 2014.
When these running QB ever do win a Super Bowl … I might take them seriously.
Fantasy stats don’t get you to the SB victory parade.”
Great post….A running QB did win a Super Bowl BUT he threw 6 TD passes to win it!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
It’s sad to see Raiders fans insult one another over Palmer Vs. Pryor comparisons. They both have their good, bad and ugly. One could argue until blue in face for one or another. I too have my own opinion which one’s better but what is the point of me trying to convince everyone I’m right and they’re wrong? The chips will fall where they may as they say.
Peace out until 2013 season.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
beach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Priest, you do not have to say the kid failed. He looked good in his first start, if you heard what Greg Papa said about him last week. I thought there would be false starts and all kinds of problems. Pryor did well in his first outing! No need to draft a QB in this coming draft!
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Facts are facts, and today Pryor lost. He didn’t get the job done. He talked the talk, but couldn’t walk the walk, and that’s all thaqt matters. 44% passing is not good. 150 yds against a sorry SD D is not just bad, but really bad.
Tired of saying he’s the answer, but right now he’s not ready to lead, or start.
You see the looks from some of those receivers, after those wobbly throws? They were pissed off…period.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Palmer is not worth the $$$$$$$$$! Time to move on. TP showed enough today to move the Raiders along in the “Rebuilding” mode some of you all talk about. Get a real OC and let TP do his thing. A little option read would be nice.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Read option with Pryor and Reece.
If we had smart coaches like Shanahan….
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
I hope Pryor keeps working and improving, he’s exciting as hell but if he’s playing like today against real game plan and teams that have something to play for, the poor guy will not last long in the league
December 30th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Beach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Any of you guys that want to draft a QB, should be following other sports other than the NFL. Pryor is fine as a # 2 for now. We need pass rushers, cornerbacks, offensive linemen. Get off the drugs, some of you!
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pass rushers
1. Demontre Moore
2. Dion Jordan
3. Ezekial Ansah
cbs
1. Dee Milliner
2. Xavier Rhodes
3. Jordan Poyer
lineman
1. Jake Matthews
2. Kyle Long
3. Barret Jones
December 30th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I don’t care how long it taks, punk, Pryor deserves his shot. he carried the team today…period.
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You are A DUMASS!!!!!!! We saw it. So what you are saying isd we should go 0-16 before YOU realize what everyone else saw??? That he is a Piece of shI*? which everyone said was going to happen but YOU?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Beach that is a troll man…
Loook that is the last time I’ saying it if you guys want to respond to the imposter go ahead
I’m out!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
It’s sad to see Raiders fans insult one another over Palmer Vs. Pryor comparisons. They both have their good, bad and ugly. One could argue until blue in face for one or another. I too have my own opinion which one’s better but what is the point of me trying to convince everyone I’m right and they’re wrong? The chips will fall where they may as they say.
Peace out until 2013 season.
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It’s just M1st1c , the professional troll, ignore him
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Pryor is a POS. Everyone saw it. Done and Done.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
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Those running lanes won’t be there once teams start game planning for him, most of those wobbly throws would turn into ints, if he’s going to play like that rest of the way, but lets hope he works on his arm and than can use both his arm and legs to beats Ds
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Those running lanes will always be there because he created them with his ability to run.
And I guess you missed those laser beam passes of Palmer’s that turned into ints in reality this season.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
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Those running lanes won’t be there once teams start game planning for him, most of those wobbly throws would turn into ints, if he’s going to play like that rest of the way, but lets hope he works on his arm and than can use both his arm and legs to beats Ds
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The read option.
It made Demarcus Ware look like a confused little girl tonight.
Things are changing. Don’t live in the past.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
beach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Priest, you do not have to say the kid failed. He looked good in his first start, if you heard what Greg Papa said about him last week. I thought there would be false starts and all kinds of problems. Pryor did well in his first outing! No need to draft a QB in this coming draft!
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Facts are facts, and today Pryor lost. He didn’t get the job done. He talked the talk, but couldn’t walk the walk, and that’s all thaqt matters. 44% passing is not good. 150 yds against a sorry SD D is not just bad, but really bad.
Tired of saying he’s the answer, but right now he’s not ready to lead, or start.
You see the looks from some of those receivers, after those wobbly throws? They were pissed off…period.
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He threw for 2 tds and ran for one, while Palmer settled for FGs against a KC team that Denver annihilated.
we need an offensive , dynamic playmaker. it sure as hell wasnt Palmer, who padded his stats while coming from behind most of the season.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
What are teams going to do once they get “tape” on Pryor?
How are they all of a sudden going to scheme for a “floater”?
More zones against him?
What is the DE going to do, key on Pryor and let the RB run wild?
Rush wide and contain the pocket, lol?
Of course they didn’t try any of that stuff today did they?
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
So Palmer had only 14 int’s playing with Knapp and throwing to bunch of scrubs, ? thats not bad, you could cut that into half with a real #1 receiver, real OC, good running game, and decent D
December 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Christopher Hanewinckel-USA TODAY Sports
The Raiders first touchdown drive against the Chargers and the first of Terrelle Pryor’s career almost didn’t happen because of a fight between Mike Goodson and Takeo Spikes. Terrelle Pryor showed some real leadership in that moment.
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The Raiders were down 10-0 heading into the second quarter and were finally moving the ball for the first time in the game. Pryor then threw a pass to Rod Streater in the endzone and the Chargers were called for pass interference. It should have resulted in a first and goal at the one yard line but Takeo Spikes and Mike Goodson began scuffling before the play was over.
At that moment, Terrelle Pryor showed a great deal of leadership. It was the kind of leadership that didn’t go unnoticed by Dennis Allen.
“I thought he did a nice job trying to get Goody out of there,” said Allen. “He understood what the situation was and we can’t hurt our team there.”
After that, I told Pryor that his head coach was impressed by what he did in that situation. It was clear he had some heated words for Goodson after pulling him out of the scrum. I asked Pryor what he told Mike Goodson at that moment. Pryor had been literally hanging his head throughout the interview and upon me asking him what he told Goodson, he lifted his head for the first time and spoke with passion about the situation.
“Let’s get this right, I LOVE Mike Goodson,” Pryor emphasized. “That’s my guy. That’s one of my very good friends, and I know I slammed him but you can’t do that. We’re about to score. How hard it is, me just being in the stance watching Carson, it’s very hard to get down there and score in the NFL and when we’re down there, what if we get a 15 yard penalty? We’re screwed. And I just said ‘Mike, you can’t do that’ and he said ‘What do you expect me to do, he hit me?’ and was like ‘you gotta be the bigger man. How many times have we been… last year we had over 160 penalties, I don’t know how many yards, maybe 1000 football fields. We have to be the bigger guy when scuffles happen like that and I told him, you can’t do that. I got caught up and I gotta apologize for throwing him like that. It’s just me being a leader and just trying to get him off. I don’t think I handled it the right way but I’m a feisty guy.”
In the end, Goodson and Spikes were both ejected and the offsetting penalties negated the potential first and goal off the pass interference. Pryor would make good on it though as he threw a touchdown pass two plays later.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/12/30/3820034/oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-spoke-passionately-about-mike-goodson-takeo-spikes-scuffle
December 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Carson Palmer finished 4-12 in Cincy, and they made two straight playoffs after he bolted.
Then he comes here and takes a 4-2 team to 8-8, than 4-12.
Dude is a loser, some guys win, some guys don’t.
Call it bad luck or whatever, but then send that unlucky SOB somewhere.
We all have the buddy that is a good dude, that gets drunk and for whatever reason everyone wants to fight him. Not always his fault, but at the end of the night, you are fighting dudes instead of banging chicks.
Best to leave that dude home on Saturday night. That dude is Carson Palmer.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
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Those running lanes won’t be there once teams start game planning for him, most of those wobbly throws would turn into ints, if he’s going to play like that rest of the way, but lets hope he works on his arm and than can use both his arm and legs to beats Ds
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Those running lanes will always be there because he created them with his ability to run.
And I guess you missed those laser beam passes of Palmer’s that turned into ints in reality this season.
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People cant think out of the GM box.
some coaches (SF-Harbaugh, Sea-Carroll) are able to….that and defense = playoffs.
Raiders will follow suit.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Palmer is absolutely a better passer than Pryor but since the receivers can’t get open til play breaks down Pryor, as shown today, gives us much better scoring potential.
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Those running lanes won’t be there once teams start game planning for him, most of those wobbly throws would turn into ints, if he’s going to play like that rest of the way, but lets hope he works on his arm and than can use both his arm and legs to beats Ds
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Those running lanes will always be there because he created them with his ability to run.
And I guess you missed those laser beam passes of Palmer’s that turned into ints in reality this season.
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14 ints were not bad when you consider the amount of attempts, receivers he’s throwing to , the play caller, and other stuff, those running lanes will be shut down when teams get more game film of him, ofcourse there will be a occasion big running game but most of the times they will be shutdown, and he will be asked to beat them by his arm
December 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I want Palmer back just so he can keep tutoring pryor.
Make no mistake. Pryor can do things Palmer cant like extend the plays, pickup first downs and use his athleticism. Next year use Pryor in RZ packages
December 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
So Palmer had only 14 int’s playing with Knapp and throwing to bunch of scrubs, ? thats not bad, you could cut that into half with a real #1 receiver, real OC, good running game, and decent D
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You’lllneed “real #1 receiver money” and “real OC” money and a running game (upgrading o-line)
the decent d is there (despite that blowout stretch during Saint-Buc-Ravens)
December 30th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Exactly Raider Sam, those are the players we need to be talking about!
December 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
The read option.
It made Demarcus Ware look like a confused little girl tonight.
Things are changing. Don’t live in the past.
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LMFAO because they have to account for the passing game as well because RGIII is 100 times better passer than PRYOR
December 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I want Palmer back just so he can keep tutoring pryor.
Make no mistake. Pryor can do things Palmer cant like extend the plays, pickup first downs and use his athleticism. Next year use Pryor in RZ packages
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Not worth the money. A Real OC can tutor Pryor
December 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
the decent d is there (despite that blowout stretch during Saint-Buc-Ravens)
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Same D that gave up 500 yards to denver a few weeks ago? Or 360 yards passing to Weeden?
lmao
alrighty then.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
What are teams going to do once they get “tape” on Pryor?
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They don’t need tape on Pryor. They know Pryor is terrible. Only a bunch of idiots don’t realize it.
December 30th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I hear you, Priest. I am not paying attention to these losers in here.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
“Palmer ONLY had 14 Ints and 7 fumbles in 14 and games, not bad”. You’re sh!tting me right.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Elway got the right QB and Denver is winning the Super Bowl. Denver will beat Atlanta in Super Bowl 47. That was my prediction 2 weeks ago and I am sticking with it.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Carson Palmer finished 4-12 in Cincy, and they made two straight playoffs after he bolted.
Then he comes here and takes a 4-2 team to 8-8, than 4-12.
Dude is a loser, some guys win, some guys don’t.
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Are you out of your mind? Cincy had no one other than Palmer. Palmer bolted and they packed the team defensively and offensively. But yet, now they are slipping because Mike Brown won’t pay. Which is why Palmer left. Learn your history.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
It’s stupid to talk about who’s better and who’s not , sometimes i think there is sully (whiners fan) with his sock puppets stirring the pot here, we all know we need better QB play , from Palmer and from Pryor but the fact is team is far from just a good qb play from becoming good team, Yes Hue went 8-8 but when he needed wins, like during the stretch, he couldn’t because the team wasn’t as good as everything thinks, last time we beat a top passing O was a long time ago , or a top D was a long time ago, just think about it why we haven’t beat those kinda teams, our D has s8cked for many years , and we were 1 dimensional on O
December 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Sam,why do you have to hate Palmer if you like Pryor?Why can’t you like both of them?It always seems to be one or the other on here.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I’m thinking 7 new starters on Defense next year… We urgently need at least one NT, a DE, a MLB, maybe an OLB, 2 Corners, and at least 1 Safety.
This years defense was lame duck all the way.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Palmer needs to move on. He’ll be 34 next season and we just have too many holes to pay him $15mill to limp to another losing record only to be released anyway. Plus the ZBS boot leg roll out system does not suit him and Sharpie has already repeatedly said that’s the system he want to run. Palmer is a PBS – play action drop back QB and keeping him here is wasting both his and the teams time.
If we can get *any* pick for him take it (which we won’t as his contract is huge and there’s cheaper/younger/better FA out there) otherwise we need to move on.
Go with youth – draft a QB with whatever pick you can get for Palmer, sign a vet FA and let them battle it out with TP in camp.
I like Palmer and he’s prob got 1-2 years left in the tank – but only on a team that’s already fairly stacked – Chiefs, Cardinals, Miami come to mind. Chiefs might be willing to part with a 3rd rounder for him and then draft Geno and let him groom under Carson. Same thing with the Cardinals and that kid from Ark.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
The read option will be dead before it even gets momentum. Every couple years a new gimmick offense comes in. It catches teams off balance until they’ve seen a bit of it. Then they figure it out and shut it down. Sometimes in the copy cat league it catches on faster if it’s decent. Then teams get more practice stopping it.
When those offenses are rehashed, junior level college systems, it takes a lot less time for the league to figure it out. Remember the Run and Shoot? How long did that last? About a season or two. Remember when the Wildcat was all the rage and everyone ran out to find another Reggie Bush? How’s that doing these days? There have been many more to come and go.
Here’s the problem with the college like option schemes that utilize a lot of QB running and the Read Option is a perfect example. We just saw it illustrated really well in the Dallas-Skins game. It exposes a single member of the defense in isolation and forces them to make a read. The QB then selects the option that player didn’t read. As we saw with Ware, it actually works best when that player is unblocked, so it gives the QB a better look in space and it saves another player as a lead blocker further down field.
They made Ware look stupid. He repeatedly bit on the inside RB and failed to hold his outside containment. That’s something that is easily fixed with some film, specific plays and discipline by the defensive end. For instance, the end can have a system where he always plays the outside. Then the QB is always left with a single option that the rest of the defense can collapse on.
Another reason that options have failed in the NFL is that it gets your QB killed. Imagine if Ware were instructed, “Whenever the play comes your way, no matter what go hit the QB as hard as you can!” That does three things:
1) Any time the QB does try to keep the ball, he gets tackled. There’s no trickery from the option so he has to beat that end individually without a blocker. They won’t do as well there over time.
2) The hits on the QB will accumulate. They won’t like that. There’s nothing illegal about hitting the QB either, as on a running play he’s as much a target as every other blocking player. There’s no such penalty as “roughing the guy that handed the ball off” to go with a roughing the passer.
3) If the play calls for the QB to keep the ball and throw, guess what? You’re now rushing the passer and in good shape. It’s all good!
A little bit of tape, a little bit of time, and some practice specific to a team that you will face — especially if they are in your division and you play them twice a year. And then it’s game over for the gimmick, because now there is tape of what will work and what will not that all the other teams will start to copy.
Just watch the adjustments that Dallas, NY and Philly make next year. Hell, just look at how well Seattle adjusted already to the whiners version of the read option.
Give it time and it will fade. Invest in copying it and you’re chasing the past. The way to move forward in this league is to innovate the newer system that hasn’t been seen yet, not to copy one that the league is already learning to defend.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
What we need is to fire DA and Knapp and have Pryor start next season.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
What we need is to fire DA and Knapp and have Pryor start next season.
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Thank you. Bronco Fan!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is the starter in 2013. We will sign up a new OC and o-line coach and drop the ZBS. Sign a #1 WR, but keep the youngsters like Ford, DHB and Moore….and our offense will be good next year.
Or we can let Pryor start and just give up on the year.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
“Palmer ONLY had 14 Ints and 7 fumbles in 14 and games, not bad”. You’re sh!tting me right.
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fumbles happen on blind side hits and when you get hit in throwing motions, 14 ints, yes some of them came at bad times, but i think it’s not a lot when you consider Palmer is like top 5 in pass attempts, throwing to idiots like DHB and Moore who don’t like to run real routes, and Knapp as his play caller (who’s predictable as m1st1c)
December 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
And to those of you who say Gruden will cost a fortune…..he is the only man who can guarantee 62,500 butts in the seats every single week!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
What we need is to fire DA and Knapp and have Pryor start next season.
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Thank you. Bronco Fan!
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If anyone is a Donkey fan it is someone backing that impostor DA
December 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Dakota, I agree with you. But you have to admit Pryor is better than Leinart.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Blindside hits happen to statue QBs.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
remember that wildcat which caught the league by surprise, where is it now? there will always be some kinda gimmic offense, that works for a little while but soon teams learn from it, and they shut it down, M Vick has not gone anywhere since long time, gone are days where he could just run on every play, it’s still a passing league, teams win by passing or smash mouth running style
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
JFB,
I certainly agree with bringing in a QB to compete with Pryor.
That QB can even be Palmer for 5 million or so, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We all saw it. The “fans” that want Palmer benched are are a joke. The ones that want Pryor are a joke. the ones that want Mckenzie gone are a joke. It is time to break out the plank………….
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
beach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
And to those of you who say Gruden will cost a fortune…..he is the only man who can guarantee 62,500 butts in the seats every single week!
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Last time i checked we had hard time selling out games when he was here , no?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
1224.
Great post.
Thanks
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Statue QB’s win champs, look at Brady, Manning Bros
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
What we need is to fire DA and Knapp and have Pryor start next season.
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Thank you. Bronco Fan!
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If anyone is a Donkey fan it is someone backing that impostor DA
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Go away.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
“Now i get to watch the best Rookie QB in the history of this great league RG3…..”
Love ‘em both, but I’d still take Andrew Luck.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
beach Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Dakota, I agree with you. But you have to admit Pryor is better than Leinart.
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Is he a better passer? maybe
Better prospect? yes
I’ve been demanding that Pryor start for weeks. The last straw for me on the Dennis Allen front was his refuseal to play Pryor over Leinrt.
Leinart is a meaningless player at this point. Everyone knows that.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is the starter in 2013. We will sign up a new OC and o-line coach and drop the ZBS. Sign a #1 WR, but keep the youngsters like Ford, DHB and Moore….and our offense will be good next year.
Or we can let Pryor start and just give up on the year.
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Nonsense. DUMP Palmer and is $17 mil cap hit. Raiders could get 3 to 5 decent “players” with that. It’s time to move on.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Sullivan is somewhere here, trolling and laughing his ass off, seriously i never seen so much hype over a guy that many predicted should switch positions
December 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is the starter in 2013. We will sign up a new OC and o-line coach and drop the ZBS. Sign a #1 WR, but keep the youngsters like Ford, DHB and Moore….and our offense will be good next year.
Or we can let Pryor start and just give up on the year.
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Nonsense. DUMP Palmer and is $17 mil cap hit. Raiders could get 3 to 5 decent “players” with that. It’s time to move on.
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We could probably get five players. But who is going to Q the team?? You??? Sit down.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
As Belicheck and other good coaches say,you score by throwing the ball and win by running the ball.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
So Palmer had only 14 int’s playing with Knapp and throwing to bunch of scrubs, ? thats not bad, you could cut that into half with a real #1 receiver, real OC, good running game, and decent D
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At least 4 of his ints bounced directly out of the hands of his receivers. At least one of those was a TD. That’s a significant swing.
Palmer’s int rate has already been stated to be as good or better than many of his peers in the NFL. Those same guys that routinely put up 3500 yard passing seasons. For a guy that was throwing as often as he was, if you told me at the start of the season he’d only have one int per game average, I’d dive all over that offer.
If you’re already polarized against him then you can’t see it. Sad for you as a supposed fan of the team.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Statue QB’s win champs, look at Brady, Manning Bros
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None are statues.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Raiders went 2-14. They should be in full rebuild mode.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Palmer will def not make more than 10 M next year, he will be a good soldier n reconstruc, but if you think most of our losses are his fault then you need to take more vitamins and minerals and take up yoga classes, and go to vacation smoke some green and come back and talk
December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
*4-12
December 30th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is the starter in 2013. We will sign up a new OC and o-line coach and drop the ZBS. Sign a #1 WR, but keep the youngsters like Ford, DHB and Moore….and our offense will be good next year.
Or we can let Pryor start and just give up on the year.
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Nonsense. DUMP Palmer and is $17 mil cap hit. Raiders could get 3 to 5 decent “players” with that. It’s time to move on.
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Palmer is not going to be paid $17 million next season. everyone knows that.
Besides, does cutting Palmer really get rid of thaT CAP HIT? I doubt it.
Palmer will be the starter.
You think Reggie is dumb enough to watch that game and decide to go into 2013 with Pryor as his starter?
lmfao
December 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
You people are focusing on meaningless stats like yards and CMP% and ignoring important stats like TDs and TOs.
The yards and CMP % has stats are a reflection of his play, play calling, drops, and Defense making plays.
3 TDs & 1 INT/ TO, and no sacks.
Not bad for his 1st start on a team with no talent (according to most of you).
December 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Statue QB’s win champs, look at Brady, Manning Bros
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None are statues.
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Please STFU. Those are statues.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
stablersbeard Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
1224.
Great post.
Thanks
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No, thank you sir!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
“Palmer is the starter in 2013. We will sign up a new OC and o-line coach and drop the ZBS. Sign a #1 WR, but keep the youngsters like Ford, DHB and Moore….and our offense will be good next year.
Or we can let Pryor start and just give up on the year.”
Well put!
Nice win Dakota congratulations on your victory!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
No matter how many yards he got Palmer couldn’t get this team in the endzone,
Pryor did.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Palmer SINGLE HANDEDLY won games for us. If you do not see that, and you want to see more of some one other than Palmer please kindly STFU because you are an idiot.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
So Palmer had only 14 int’s playing with Knapp and throwing to bunch of scrubs, ? thats not bad, you could cut that into half with a real #1 receiver, real OC, good running game, and decent D
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At least 4 of his ints bounced directly out of the hands of his receivers. At least one of those was a TD. That’s a significant swing.
Palmer’s int rate has already been stated to be as good or better than many of his peers in the NFL. Those same guys that routinely put up 3500 yard passing seasons. For a guy that was throwing as often as he was, if you told me at the start of the season he’d only have one int per game average, I’d dive all over that offer.
If you’re already polarized against him then you can’t see it. Sad for you as a supposed fan of the team.
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Exactly, 1 int a game is good when you consider all the circumstances, Palmer would have def had less ints if passes didn’t go threw our receivers hands, they didn’t run wrong routes, they got open often, oc wasn’t predictable , our running game was working, that will amount to less pass attempts and Palmer didn’t have to play catch up all the time if we had good D
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
This was PRYORS first start in 2 1/2 years. His first week he got more then half the REPS in practice. NOT FULL REPS but HALF REPS.
He had a big test today and he passed with flying colors. Shows he should at least be number 2 qb headed into camp next year.
Shows DA/ KNAPP were idiots for not playing pryor sooner , could have been further along by now. DA basically was lying when he said last week Pryor not ready to be the back up. Ur right DA.. he was ready to be a starter.
Did u see TP tap KNAPP on the shoulders during the game lol
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Pocket passer does not equate statue. Palmer is a statue.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Thanks 666.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
No matter how many yards he got Palmer couldn’t get this team in the endzone,
Pryor did.
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You’re an idiot. But Go Bronco’s !!!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Sam,why do you have to hate Palmer if you like Pryor?Why can’t you like both of them?It always seems to be one or the other on here.
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I like both. Truth be told, Palmer should be back, but i’m hoping Pryor can develop further…i’m just saying its going to be expensive, and better a year too soon and not a year too late.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Pocket passer does not equate statue. Palmer is a statue.
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You’re an idiot. But Go Bronco’s !!!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
The yards and CMP % stats are a …
No has.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Raider O Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
You people are focusing on meaningless stats like yards and CMP% and ignoring important stats like TDs and TOs.
The yards and CMP % has stats are a reflection of his play, play calling, drops, and Defense making plays.
3 TDs & 1 INT/ TO, and no sacks.
Not bad for his 1st start on a team with no talent (according to most of you).
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Matt Flyn had 6 passing TDs in 1 game last year, GB didn’t start him over Rodgers afterward lol
December 30th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Raider0-Raiders went 2-14.They should be in full rebuild mode
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What the heck do you think this year was?SMH
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Anyhow, I will let the rest of you fight about the guy who threw for a buck fifty….
….I just want the official KNAPP IS FIRED news.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
This was PRYORS first start in 2 1/2 years. His first week he got more then half the REPS in practice. NOT FULL REPS but HALF REPS.
He had a big test today and he passed with flying colors.
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Huh? He was down 24-7, the other team walked off the field. You HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I was a 8-8 with potential guy.(Fix the D etc etc.)Some said this was a rebuild year, blah blah blah.
The reality is Raiders just went 4-12.
It’s rebuild time and Palmer should not be back next year. Palmer is not a winner and never will be. He is worse than Romo in Dallas. He will NEVER win. It’s time to move on an rebuild.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Terrapin
Hue Jax = turd sandwich.
might as well hire KoolKell to be HC
I’ll roll with DA for another season or three
^^^^^^^^
You go ahead and roll with your tits DA ex Bronco for another with other 10 Raider fans who are idiots!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Statue QB’s win champs, look at Brady, Manning Bros
>>>>>
Brees. Rothy.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
The blog playing favorites again? Is it possible that BOTH Palmer and Pryor have some value to this franchise?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Reggie needs to realize that next year is already a wash. Moving CP and starting TP makes alot of sense. We will suck either way. It will at *least* get the fan base fired up – the kid will at least be exciting to watch.
Its really a win/win situation to start TP in 2013. You get a starter on the cheap, puts fans in the stands, save the $15 million and spend the money on defense.
If he sucks and we go 4-12 again, then we cut him and draft a QB in 2014 (a much better QB draft class) – if he continues to improve and is good, then he’s still under contract in 2014 for cheap we can continue to focus on spending money on defense.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We all saw it. The “fans” that want Palmer benched are are a joke. The ones that want Pryor are a joke. the ones that want Mckenzie gone are a joke. It is time to break out the plank………….
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Palmer and Pryor will be back..and when Palmer starts and the losses and picks mount, the same arguments will continue…
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
This was PRYORS first start in 2 1/2 years. His first week he got more then half the REPS in practice. NOT FULL REPS but HALF REPS.
He had a big test today and he passed with flying colors. Shows he should at least be number 2 qb headed into camp next year.
Shows DA/ KNAPP were idiots for not playing pryor sooner , could have been further along by now. DA basically was lying when he said last week Pryor not ready to be the back up. Ur right DA.. he was ready to be a starter.
Did u see TP tap KNAPP on the shoulders during the game lol
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He was ready to be a starter? really ??? HAHAHAHAHHA LMFAO ROFLMFAO wow, you must be Pryors mom or himself, that was all time classic comment
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
The blog playing favorites again? Is it possible that BOTH Palmer and Pryor have some value to this franchise?
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EXACTLY.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Palmer SINGLE HANDEDLY won games for us. If you do not see that, and you want to see more of some one other than Palmer please kindly STFU because you are an idiot.
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News flash we won 4 games this year, 3 of them against 2-14 teams.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
DA and Knapp will lead this Raider team to a Super Bowl!
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
This was PRYORS first start in 2 1/2 years. His first week he got more then half the REPS in practice. NOT FULL REPS but HALF REPS.
He had a big test today and he passed with flying colors. Shows he should at least be number 2 qb headed into camp next year.
Shows DA/ KNAPP were idiots for not playing pryor sooner , could have been further along by now. DA basically was lying when he said last week Pryor not ready to be the back up. Ur right DA.. he was ready to be a starter.
Did u see TP tap KNAPP on the shoulders during the game lol
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He was ready to be a starter? really ??? HAHAHAHAHHA LMFAO ROFLMFAO wow, you must be Pryors mom or himself, that was all time classic comment
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Who’s about to be fired and who will still be on the team
Knapp or Pryor.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Palmer is a statue that is why he was hurt when he was speared in the back out of the pocket after he unloaded a pass.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I was a 8-8 with potential guy.(Fix the D etc etc.)Some said this was a rebuild year, blah blah blah.
The reality is Raiders just went 4-12.
It’s rebuild time and Palmer should not be back next year. Palmer is not a winner and never will be. He is worse than Romo in Dallas. He will NEVER win. It’s time to move on an rebuild.
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Rebuild with a guy that runs around until he see’s a wide open receiver? Well ok… guess we need to draft a backup too.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
This was PRYORS first start in 2 1/2 years. His first week he got more then half the REPS in practice. NOT FULL REPS but HALF REPS.
He had a big test today and he passed with flying colors. Shows he should at least be number 2 qb headed into camp next year.
Shows DA/ KNAPP were idiots for not playing pryor sooner , could have been further along by now. DA basically was lying when he said last week Pryor not ready to be the back up. Ur right DA.. he was ready to be a starter.
Did u see TP tap KNAPP on the shoulders during the game lol
^^^^^^^^^^
More proof DA and Knapp are idiots!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Matt Flyn had 6 passing TDs in 1 game last year, GB didn’t start him over Rodgers afterward lol
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There is a a reason. NFL people look for certain things. If we go to RGIII’s first start or Lucks first start, we see 8,9, 10 yards per pass attempt. After 2 years we seen Pyror with 5 yards an attempt which would put him at the very, very bottom of the NFL barrel. Sorry, Pryor did this to himself.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
The Raiders were 8-8 with potential.
Now they are 4-12 ??????????
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Vick gets hurt all the time as well, RGIII got his head knocked a couple of times, Ben got hurt too , are they statues as well?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
DA and Knapp returning with Hoffman also.
Wow….let’s how many season tickets are sold.
It won’t be many, that’s for damn sure!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Sources say that knapp along with other assistants are being shown the door
December 30th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
DA and Knapp returning with Hoffman also.
Wow….let’s how many season tickets are sold.
It won’t be many, that’s for damn sure!
1288.ray_d Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Sources say that knapp along with other assistants are being shown the door
+++++++++
Wait…should I be happy or sad?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I’d love for Palmer to groom Pryor for a little longer, but he is to expensive and he can’t get us any wins while we wait. Time to cut bait.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We all saw it. The “fans” that want Palmer benched are are a joke. The ones that want Pryor are a joke. the ones that want Mckenzie gone are a joke. It is time to break out the plank………….
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Palmer and Pryor will be back..and when Palmer starts and the losses and picks mount, the same arguments will continue…
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Sorry to say but Pryor has no hope as an NFL Q. Sorry to burst the bubble, half the teams knew it, Al WAAAAY OVER PAID a 3rd round for him, and if some one would do me a favor, fire up the waiver wire…………..
December 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Norv Turner for OC, get D-BOWE, Reconstruct Palmer, trade Mcfadden for #2 , keep Goody, get a real RT and C move wiz to LG,Berg locks up RG
December 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Vick gets hurt all the time as well, RGIII got his head knocked a couple of times, Ben got hurt too , are they statues as well?
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Your statue Manning broke his f’in neck.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
My take on Pryor:
He’s basically Vince Young with a better work ethic.
Both guys are magical running the ball in the open field. Neither guy is going to be able to carry a team with his throwing arm.
This isn’t to write Pryor off. VY actually had a good record with the Titans playing his brand of ball. Who knows? Maybe Pryor can find a way to make it happen playing a similar fashion. Hard to see him winning a Super Bowl considering some of the lollipops he throws out there and the sometimes mind-boggling inaccuracy, but I think they should make him the No.2 guy next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
He was ready to be starter. Ya u heard me. DID PRYOR NOT START TODAY?? or was I missing something? Did pryor not start?
24-7 Um im sorry Did pryor give up that opening TD on SPECIAL TEAMS
IM sorry but did Pryor score the Raiders first RUSHING TD SINCE WEEK 7 Jax game
Im sorry was it PRYOR who lead the Oakland Raiders on their first Scoring TD drive in 3 weeks?
Im sorry was it Pryor who had 2 TDs and 1 rushing TD in a KNAPP lead offense?? come again haters? Come again? U must have wanted Leinart to do that
December 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I think Mark Davis is having a long talk with DA as to why he did what he did to Pryor and if he doesn’t get the answers he approves of I think DA will be fired.
Jhill like DA they didn’t want to see this it is their worse nightmare………no Palmer in their eyes is in jeopardy. I think and Hope Palmer will be back but I think they have to play Pryor quite a bit next year along with him. Which is what I said they should have done all year this year. But they buried him on the depth chart so they had an excuse NOT to do it.
I wanted to win games and because they had a hidden agenda we couldn’t…………period
1-8 the last 9 games is a firable offense………..period
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Yep and one of those losses was to the freakin Cleveland Browns….at home!
DA hiring Knapp and losing to the Browns at home are enough reasons to fire Tits DA alone!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
FIRE UP THE WAIVER WIRE.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
So I would say ya Pryor passed the test with flying colors .. especially since the haters wanted to believe DA when he said he wanted to see if Pryor could get the huddle down right LMAO.. he did more then that.
This isnt about palmer either. Pryor looks up to Palmer like a father figure he said, PALMER got Pryor ready for today. So for that reason I want palmer back
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The best QB play we’ve seen all year
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Who’s up next for raiders OC, Norvel or Saunders to call the plays, more than likely the towel boy from the packers
December 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Vick gets hurt all the time as well, RGIII got his head knocked a couple of times, Ben got hurt too , are they statues as well?
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Your statue Manning broke his f’in neck.
— Dude just stop commenting
December 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Let’s trade him Pryor to the Jets for three first rounders and Revis. That’s what you guys think right?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
ray_d Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Sources say that knapp along with other assistants are being shown the door
^^^^^^^^
Link or source?
Let’s hope it happens, but McK and Knapp better have already started talking to potential LEGIT and respectable replacements and not some crap azz retreads again.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The best QB play we’ve seen all year
– welcome back troll
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Reg and knapp? you meant REg and DA
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Next man up….bye bye DA, Knapp and Hoffman and whoever the hell us that is a worthless POS crap coach.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
For those that want to dump Palmer and his $17M cap hit, you might want to get a clue. Here, I’ll give it to you for free.
He now has two years left on a 3 year restructured deal with a prorated signing bonus hit of just shy of $3.9M for each of 2013 and 2014. Releasing or trading him means an accelaration of $7.9M against 2013.
Sorry, but you can’t just eat that. Especially since to get someone comparable to his talent — based on actual performance in 2012 that sets the market rate, not the haters skewed point of view — it will cost at least $10M. So it’d be more expensive to cut him and sign someone decent than to just keep him.
However, Palmer has already demonstrated that the situation to him is more important than money with his retirement to force Brown’s hand. That makes him a bigger man than 99% of hte clowns in professional sports in my book. The good news here is that it shows he’s reasonable, wants to be in a good place with a solid chance of winning, and will do his part to help. If he believes in Allen, likes the Raiders direction, likes living in the Bay Area (he’s a California guy after all) then he might look at the big picture.
He has $28M in salary due over the next two seasons that he knows he won’t see because of cap reasons. He might be willing to restructure again, moving say $15M of that into up front money on another 3 year restructure with a ballon payment in 2015 that he won’t ever see. So say he goes $2M salary for each of 2013 and 2014 and the remaining $9M in 2015, with the $15M paid up front as signing bonus in 2013. That would give him a cap hit of about $10.8M in each of 2012 and 2013 (or what it was cost to cut him and replace with a dirt cheap < $2.8M replacement) which is very reasonable relative to the top 20 paid QBs in the league. In 2015 it would cost $5M to cut him, which is a reduced number against what will be a larger cap.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Dakota,
I thought you needed 4 games to evaluate Pryor?
Shouldn’t you wait until game 3 next year to declare the season lost?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Link
http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Raiders-expected-to-fire-Knapp-4156242.php
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The best QB play we’ve seen all year
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The best QB play we’ve seen all year
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Go back to sleep.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Reg and knapp? you meant REg and DA
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yeah McK and DA.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Why do some you guys want to keep Palmer? ITS OVER. The 8-8 with potential is OVER.
Raiders went an ugly 4-12 which could have easily been 2-14. It’s rebuild time. Palmer is not worth $$$ to keep. They do not need to pay him all that money to suck again. No need to waste the money and another year. Move on. REBUILD
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Im just saying if u were to see Pryors post game interview this kid has some desire. It really doesnt matter what I say or ppl on this board say. This kid has all the potential.
He said he wants to work on specific mechanics.. He wants a bunch of the offensive guys together in teh weight room this offseason then working on the Practice field to form a bond. Said he lost his father and Palmer has been a Mentor/ Father figure to him. Said Palmer help get him ready with game film and six pages of notes.
During the interviw NORV TURNER inturupted and told PRYOR .. “KEEP GRINDING KID” .. . “KEEP GRINDING” even Norv witnesses a kid who is hungry. U think he would have gave a shyyt if he didnt think Pryor had something??
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Wow, the Raiders were 53% on 3 rd downs.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Last week the Viqueens rushed that white dude a bunch and cost AP a chance at the all-time rushing record….and almost cost me the blog FF championship.
Fire Leslie!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
“I love Mike Goodson; that’s my guy,” Pryor said. “I know that I slammed him, but you can’t do that. We were about to score. It’s very hard to get down there and score in the NFL and … we get a 15-yard penalty? I told Mike that he needed to be the bigger man.
“Last year, we had what, 168 penalties for I don’t know how many yards and we have to be the bigger guy when scuffles like that happen.”
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LEADERSHIP.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
wishbone Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Knapp & DA looked completely lost as to how to handle TP and call plays for him. I think thats why he wasn’t in six weeks ago. Two dumbazzes together couldn’t watch film of Cam Newton and RGIII and couldn’t find any plays to run for him? Wow. NFL really does stand for Not For Long DA and Knapp. Throw in Tarver and it’s Moe, Larry and Shemp.
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Exactly!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Lamar Houston is a beast, credit the coaching staff in turning a hard worker into a one heck of a player, Adams was another guy who showed little promise in limited time, i’m convinced he will win one of the starting CB job, Ross has shown some skills but he was some what exposed today the jury is out on him, MLB Gaither deserve to come back and play for back up position, Burris should be 3x better next year, Wheeler will come back with another veteran minimum contract, he would love the D even more next year once we draft and sign few more players who will fit in well in multiple D scheme
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Let’s trade him Pryor to the Jets for three first rounders and Revis. That’s what you guys think right?
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Didn’t you see him ply Seymour? He’s not just the wave of the future, but if you built a system around him he’ll be better than RGIII and Newton combined!
A first and perennial Pro Bowl CB? Waaaaay too cheap. For a guy that works this hard, he’s worth at least a Ricky Williams like entire year’s draft class!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
How was Bergstrom today, I didn’t watch him very closely.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
U think Leinart would have scored 3 touchdowns today LMAO
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Why do some you guys want to keep Palmer?
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Well, because Palmer was an overall number one, who was the tenth best Q in the league. With absolutely NO running game, offensive line or receivers. Now maybe there is someone we are going to draft or sign, who is going to come in and be in the top ten Q’s of the league with ABSOLUTELY NO HELP. So, please, enlighten us. Who is that? Or, better yet, STFU.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
“I love Mike Goodson; that’s my guy,” Pryor said. “I know that I slammed him, but you can’t do that. We were about to score. It’s very hard to get down there and score in the NFL and … we get a 15-yard penalty? I told Mike that he needed to be the bigger man.
“Last year, we had what, 168 penalties for I don’t know how many yards and we have to be the bigger guy when scuffles like that happen.”
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LEADERSHIP.
^^^^^^^^
Nice job by TP on that and I liked his post game presser, says all the right things.
Goodson was a freakin idiot to get baited on that.
DA and Knapp and Hoffman still suck and swallow! lol
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
For those that want to dump Palmer and his $17M cap hit, you might want to get a clue. Here, I’ll give it to you for free.
He now has two years left on a 3 year restructured deal with a prorated signing bonus hit of just shy of $3.9M for each of 2013 and 2014. Releasing or trading him means an accelaration of $7.9M against 2013.
Sorry, but you can’t just eat that.
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Sure you can, if your starting QB is already on the roster. With this coaching staff and state of the roster, keeping Palmer is a waste. We will be 5-11 with him next season why not cut bait now and focus on rebuilding with youth starting with defense and a running game.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Dakota,
I thought you needed 4 games to evaluate Pryor?
Shouldn’t you wait until game 3 next year to declare the season lost?
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I don’t need it….that was for the dense fans….I know garbage when I see it. I wanted a long look at him so the rest of you slow fans could conclude what the rest of us already know…..Pryor will never be a legit starting NFL QB.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
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It paid off? We were down 24-7 and SD walked off the field. Did you see the game?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Lamar Houston is a beast, credit the coaching staff in turning a hard worker into a one heck of a player
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Credit the coaching staff for Houston’s play, but blame the players when they don’t execute? Goes both ways, friend. Choose one and stick to it.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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To save two million? Why not just play him instead and build a better team around him?
I like how the reason we should dump CP suddenly switched from Pryor being better to cap reasons!
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Why do some you guys want to keep Palmer? ITS OVER. The 8-8 with potential is OVER.
Raiders went an ugly 4-12 which could have easily been 2-14. It’s rebuild time. Palmer is not worth $$$ to keep. They do not need to pay him all that money to suck again. No need to waste the money and another year. Move on. REBUILD
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Read up Zymurge’s post
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Why do some you guys want to keep Palmer?
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Well, because Palmer was an overall number one, who was the tenth best Q in the league. With absolutely NO running game, offensive line or receivers. Now maybe there is someone we are going to draft or sign, who is going to come in and be in the top ten Q’s of the league with ABSOLUTELY NO HELP. So, please, enlighten us. Who is that? Or, better yet, STFU.
++++++++
lol
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
.Pryor will never be a legit starting NFL QB.
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Thank you. Would someone fire up the waiver wire?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Palmer is gone
December 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
ou might want to get a clue. Here, I’ll give it to you for free.
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LOL
December 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
U think Leinart would have scored 3 touchdowns today LMAO
^^^^^^^^
No way in hell Leinart scores 3 TD’s today….
TP did as well despite the circumstances and despite having a dumb HC and OC who don’t believe in him and didnt give him any reps during the season and for a kid who has not started a game in 2 years practically.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RaidO Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
I was a 8-8 with potential guy.(Fix the D etc etc.)Some said this was a rebuild year, blah blah blah.
The reality is Raiders just went 4-12.
It’s rebuild time and Palmer should not be back next year. Palmer is not a winner and never will be. He is worse than Romo in Dallas. He will NEVER win. It’s time to move on an rebuild.
>>>>
Rebuild with a guy that runs around until he see’s a wide open receiver? Well ok… guess we need to draft a backup too.
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That was Elway for a decade in Denver….
strangely enough, RGIII is mobile and Shanahan is coaching a similar player
December 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Sure you can, if your starting QB is already on the roster. With this coaching staff and state of the roster, keeping Palmer is a waste. We will be 5-11 with him next season why not cut bait now and focus on rebuilding with youth starting with defense and a running game.
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I thought we all agreed that Leinhart isn’t starting material. And it’s also looking like Lechler could be a cap casualty as well, so I’m aware of who this starting QB on the roster is. I haven’t seen anyone else on the team that can actually throw.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
For those that want to dump Palmer and his $17M cap hit, you might want to get a clue. Here, I’ll give it to you for free.
He now has two years left on a 3 year restructured deal with a prorated signing bonus hit of just shy of $3.9M for each of 2013 and 2014. Releasing or trading him means an accelaration of $7.9M against 2013.
Sorry, but you can’t just eat that.
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Sure you can, if your starting QB is already on the roster. With this coaching staff and state of the roster, keeping Palmer is a waste. We will be 5-11 with him next season why not cut bait now and focus on rebuilding with youth starting with defense and a running game.
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LOL who’s the starting qb that’s already on roster to take over for CP?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
er, I’m NOT aware.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
^^^^^^^^^
CP is not going anywhere until afterr 2014 season if anything or unless they trade him for a 2nd and 5th rounder.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
U think Leinart would have scored 3 touchdowns today LMAO
^^^^^^^^
No way in hell Leinart scores 3 TD’s today….
TP did as well despite the circumstances and despite having a dumb HC and OC who don’t believe in him and didnt give him any reps during the season and for a kid who has not started a game in 2 years practically.
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Yeah, lets just say, he comes back as a solid no. 2 to Palmer.
next thing is to solve that pass rush, and linebacking problem…and secondary as well.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
It paid off? We were down 24-7 and SD walked off the field. Did you see the game?
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again are u dumb? I think u are troll
He was ready to be starter. Ya u heard me. DID PRYOR NOT START TODAY?? or was I missing something? Did pryor not start?
24-7 Um im sorry Did pryor give up that opening TD on SPECIAL TEAMS?
IM sorry but did Pryor not score the Raiders first RUSHING TD SINCE WEEK 7 Jax game??
Im sorry was it PRYOR who lead the Oakland Raiders on their first Scoring TD drive in 3 weeks?
Im sorry was it Pryor who had 2 TDs and 1 rushing TD in a KNAPP lead offense?? come again haters? Come again? U must have wanted Leinart to do that
It would have been 17-14 prior to that punt block. Keep hating but the its on game film for reggie to see.. not u. Not starting in 2 1/2 years most of u guys wanted to believe DA when he said Pryor was not even ready to be backup and couldnt get the team to the huddle.
looks like he was wrong. Pryor passed the test with flying colors for his first start. Yep
December 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
SAN DIEGO – The Raiders are expected to fire offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and some other members of the staff this week, league sources confirmed. The offense didn’t get on track, especially a running game that came into Sunday ranked 29th in the league (87 yards per game).
Oakland ran for 115 yards against the Chargers, but 49 of those came on Terrelle Pryor scrambles. Darren McFadden, who has struggled with the zone-blocking scheme and hasn’t gotten a lot of daylight from his linemen, carried 19 times for 57 yards and finishes the season with a 707 yards at 3.3 yards a pop.
Owner Mark Davis talked with McFadden at midseason about reaching out to Knapp and telling him what type of running plays he liked. And the Raiders have tried to mix in more power-running plays, but it has been a frustrating season.
“I don’t want to speak on it anymore,” McFadden said. “It is what it is. The season is over now. I am just looking forward to next year.”
December 30th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Lamar Houston is a beast, credit the coaching staff in turning a hard worker into a one heck of a player
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Credit the coaching staff for Houston’s play, but blame the players when they don’t execute? Goes both ways, friend. Choose one and stick to it.
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Well sometimes players just s9ck and don’t want to play for ex MccClain and RUsselL, WIth Gaither we only gave up average of 275 yards a game compared to almost 400 with McClain
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
TP can run that dumvass Knapp offense for a lot less money
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I don’t need it….that was for the dense fans
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LOL
I could have sworn you said “WE” needed 4 games.
My bad.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Sure you can, if your starting QB is already on the roster. With this coaching staff and state of the roster, keeping Palmer is a waste. We will be 5-11 with him next season why not cut bait now and focus on rebuilding with youth starting with defense and a running game.
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Almost 100% of us agree that Knapp destroyed this offense, and the rumors are that he is gone, yet you still think we wold go 5-11 with a legit OC, and maybe a new #1 WR?
I think this offense still has the potential it showed last season, and I am not ready to call it quits on 2013…..and I am not exactly a glass half full kind of Raider fan either!
Why are we conceding 2013 when a new OC and other changes on the coaching staff might be on the way?
We could contend for a wildcard next year if the proper pieces are put in place.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
TP did as well despite the circumstances and despite having a dumb HC and OC who don’t believe in him and didnt give him any reps during the season and for a kid who has not started a game in 2 years practically.
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What part of “waiver wire” are you not getting?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
It paid off? We were down 24-7 and SD walked off the field. Did you see the game?
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again are u dumb? I think u are troll
He was ready to be starter. Ya u heard me. DID PRYOR NOT START TODAY?? or was I missing something? Did pryor not start?
24-7 Um im sorry Did pryor give up that opening TD on SPECIAL TEAMS?
IM sorry but did Pryor not score the Raiders first RUSHING TD SINCE WEEK 7 Jax game??
Im sorry was it PRYOR who lead the Oakland Raiders on their first Scoring TD drive in 3 weeks?
Im sorry was it Pryor who had 2 TDs and 1 rushing TD in a KNAPP lead offense?? come again haters? Come again? U must have wanted Leinart to do that
It would have been 17-14 prior to that punt block. Keep hating but the its on game film for reggie to see.. not u. Not starting in 2 1/2 years most of u guys wanted to believe DA when he said Pryor was not even ready to be backup and couldnt get the team to the huddle.
looks like he was wrong. Pryor passed the test with flying colors for his first start. Yep
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Oh so you think Palmer who has 22 Passing TDs would have went 3rd week in a row without scoring a TD? so based on Pryor , you ready to announce him a starter?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Palmer is on the downside of a already disappointing career. If we were a ‘QB away’ from being a playoff team – *maybe* worth another year – and that’s a big maybe and only if he took a pay cut – but with this staff and roster? No way. We’re 2-3 years away from being a ‘QB away’. Move him, focus on the youth movement.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
***************************************
Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
=====
You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
^^^^^^^^^
CP is not going anywhere until afterr 2014 season if anything or unless they trade him for a 2nd and 5th rounder.
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Think Arizona would bite – if Ray Horton becomes head coach? Horton once a Bengal, could bring in Hue Jackson as OC, and that would complete a possible trade for the 41st and 137th pick.
Raiders could then get that additional rusher Jackson Jeffcoat/Alex Okafor/Ezekial Ansah.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Zymurge
You look like a dumbass idiot considering your comments just yesterday
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
TP can run that dumvass Knapp offense for a lot less money
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But the point is we’ll take cap hit anyways, so why not pay the better player and play with him
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
I have to admit, Pryor did better than I thought he would. It was nice to see red zone 7’s instead of red zone 3’s. Hes got some good promise i’ll give him that.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
U think Leinart would have scored 3 touchdowns today LMAO
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Don’t know unless you let the kid play. Many here, my self included didn’t think Pryor would.
But Leinhart’s on the roster, he earned his spot. How do you know what you have unless you give him at least 4 starts in this system with this staff? He has more experience with it than anyone else. His arm is certainly stronger than Pryor’s!
Thing is, you can say whatever you want but it’s just an opinion. There’s no way to know what Leinhart would’ve done in this same situation. Or a healthy CP for that matter. He might’ve laid 7 TDs on the hapless Chargers defense for all we know.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Shannahan did not no the READ OPTION offense.. never coached it.. THis whole offseason they were studying it and even more as the season went on.
I wont fault KNAPP cuz this past week Mark / Reggie made DA start pryor and it paid off.
U think Leinart would have scored 3 touchdowns today LMAO
^^^^^^^^
No way in hell Leinart scores 3 TD’s today….
TP did as well despite the circumstances and despite having a dumb HC and OC who don’t believe in him and didnt give him any reps during the season and for a kid who has not started a game in 2 years practically.
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Yeah, lets just say, he comes back as a solid no. 2 to Palmer.
next thing is to solve that pass rush, and linebacking problem…and secondary as well.
^^^^^^^^
That should be the plan.
CP #1 and TP is the backup.
Look to hire a LEGIT OC who will get back to power, trap, gap, counter, pulling run blocking with some zone mixed in depending on the game situation of course.
An OC who will also have a bunch of plays for TP as well.
Then work on bringing in talented FOOTBALL players on defense and adding a Center in the draft like TJ Johnson and adding a vet OLinemen to play RT to compete with Bergstrom.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I think you Palmer guys have some of us wrong.
I agree that the team around Palmer isn’t good enough for him. No WRs, running game, or Oline.
So we will be the same crappy offense next year with no WRs, no running game, and no oline, right?
6 or 7 wins? MAYBE???
I’ll take the first rd pick from one of these crap teams if I can get it instead of that miserable reality.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Palmer is on the downside of a already disappointing career. If we were a ‘QB away’ from being a playoff team – *maybe* worth another year – and that’s a big maybe and only if he took a pay cut – but with this staff and roster? No way. We’re 2-3 years away from being a ‘QB away’. Move him, focus on the youth movement.
– focus on who? Pryor who in his 2nd year was throwing lame duck passes, yes he looked poised and all but there’s no excuse for that kinda passing
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Oh so you think Palmer who has 22 Passing TDs would have went 3rd week in a row without scoring a TD? so based on Pryor , you ready to announce him a starter?
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Shet up troll.. Who the fack announced him the starter?? DA did his week. Again was Pryor not the starter?
Did the announcers not say That was Oakland first scoring TD drive in 3 weeks? when is the last time palmer started? idk nobody is even talking about him. I want him to come back so he can keep mentoring Pryor. Let pryor be number 2 and keep grooming him. U have alot of misguided anger dude
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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CP is not going anywhere until afterr 2014 season if anything or unless they trade him for a 2nd and 5th rounder.
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Think Arizona would bite – if Ray Horton becomes head coach? Horton once a Bengal, could bring in Hue Jackson as OC, and that would complete a possible trade for the 41st and 137th pick.
Raiders could then get that additional rusher Jackson Jeffcoat/Alex Okafor/Ezekial Ansah.
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Then maybe they can draft QB EJ Manuel in Round 3?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We all saw it. The “fans” that want Palmer benched are are a joke. The ones that want Pryor are a joke. the ones that want Mckenzie gone are a joke. It is time to break out the plank………….
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Palmer and Pryor will be back..and when Palmer starts and the losses and picks mount, the same arguments will continue…
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Losses? Maybe. Picks? He’s not even near the top in that category with 14, plus he had at least 4 i saw that doinked right off receivers hands.
Can’t argue with the losses mounting. It is what it is.
Keep in mind we need BIG HELP at receiver. These guys like DHB who just sit and wait for the ball to come to him before he inexplicably jumps in the air for no reason and then drops a key 3rd down chance..need to go imo.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Zymurge
You look like a dumbass idiot considering your comments just yesterday
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Thanks for the feedback. Fortunately, I have no pride related to what opinions of me are in this blog. I’m recovering from minor surgery, and have nothing better to do at the moment but spew and stir the pot.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
The lunacy in here is getting to me….I better take two aspirins tonight.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Thing is, you can say whatever you want but it’s just an opinion. There’s no way to know what Leinhart would’ve done in this same situation. Or a healthy CP for that matter. He might’ve laid 7 TDs on the hapless Chargers defense for all we know
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Proof is in the pudding. Leinart did not start the last week despite him wanting to.. despite Knapp/ DA wanting him to. DA went from Pryor not ready to be backup.. to “im naming Pryor the starter in 3 day turnaaround. Dont question me.. do that with Mckenzie
December 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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What is it about the 13 mil he gets if he plays you don’t get?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I think you Palmer guys have some of us wrong.
I agree that the team around Palmer isn’t good enough for him. No WRs, running game, or Oline.
So we will be the same crappy offense next year with no WRs, no running game, and no oline, right?
6 or 7 wins? MAYBE???
I’ll take the first rd pick from one of these crap teams if I can get it instead of that miserable reality.
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I think having a decend OC alone would make a lot of different, plus we will go out and look for that #1 receiver, and streater looks like he will become a good one, we will def upgrade Oline and running game would look better , and D has already started looking better, just a good DE and FS and MLB away from becoming good
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Sure you can, if your starting QB is already on the roster. With this coaching staff and state of the roster, keeping Palmer is a waste. We will be 5-11 with him next season why not cut bait now and focus on rebuilding with youth starting with defense and a running game.
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Almost 100% of us agree that Knapp destroyed this offense, and the rumors are that he is gone, yet you still think we wold go 5-11 with a legit OC, and maybe a new #1 WR?
I think this offense still has the potential it showed last season, and I am not ready to call it quits on 2013…..and I am not exactly a glass half full kind of Raider fan either!
Why are we conceding 2013 when a new OC and other changes on the coaching staff might be on the way?
We could contend for a wildcard next year if the proper pieces are put in place.
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One reason. Dennis Allen. He’s a loser and we’re not doing jackSH with him as HC. No OC worth his salt will want to come here especially since they trashed the team with a system change. DA and Tarver might be able to improve the D side of the ball (like Nolan/Singletary did in SF) before he is canned after next season.
That’s the only thing we can hope for for 2013 – younger players, bad/old players/crap contracts gone, much better cap/financial situation, an improved D at the end of the season, DA fired and another top 5 pick for 2014.
Only then *maybe* we can entice a real coach to come here.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Pryor shined bright for his first start.
Lo Neal and Romo gave him the game ball. ON national Radio espn.. said PRYOR changed their opinion and looks like a legit Qb to groom. This is not just me.
Let him be groomed behind his big bro/ father figure Carson Palmer.
Bring both of them back. Im with Palmer / Pryor
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
What you Gruden proselytes forget is when he left Oakland he had mortgaged the Raiders future away by signing alot of older free agents and trading away draft picks for in an attempt for immediate success. After he left, he had the Raiders number because he was smarter than Callahan and Callahan wasn’t able to change the Oakland schemes enough for Gruden not to figure out what plays the Raiders would call in Tampa’s Super Bowl win. After that Super Bowl year the Raiders were in the wilderness since all the old free agents were too old and there weren’t any high draft picks to help replace them. I think Gruden probably did the same at Tampa Bay so they went down hill quickly leading to Gruden being fired. Gruden actually won the Super Bowl with a team primarily built by Tony Dungee before he was fired and ended up in Indiannapolis. If Gruden came back we’d be stuck with dinking and dunking passes and the no longer viable WCO. He would sign a lot of older free agents and trade away a lot of draft picks and then leave Oakland in the wilderness again. I doubt he would have as much short term success as he had in the past as other teams have figured out his offense. This is sacrilege to all you Gruden adherents, so criticise all you want. Gregg Knapp should be fired and the zone blocking scheme scrapped. It probably would be good to get rid of RM, DA and the special teams coach too, but except for the latter the former two will probably keep their jobs. Mark Davis won’t admit he made a mistake and neither will Reggie McKenzie, so Dennis Allen will likely stay. Hue Jackson should not have been fired, but they won’t rehire him. Al Saunders should be made OC or one of the offensive coaches for Indiannapolis or Minnesota or some other team which has made a good turnaround in one year, not Denver who I think were glad to hoist Dennis Allen on the Raiders (part of their evil plan to reduce Oakland to ineptitude after a few years in which the Raiders had their number). Its too late now but Jeff Fisher would have been a good hire as head coach. Spare us from any New England coaches as they have all been supping the mother’s milk of Belichek who is an expert at cheating and getting away with it and Tom Brady his able accomplice who plays the innocent marvellously well. It is too much to hope the NFL will discipline officials who made such egregious calls as the ones against TK et al against Cinncinati, including kicking them out of the game after the Cinncinati player attacked them after the sack, or the officials who manufactured the roughing the passer call against TK after the play was over and Cam Newton had kicked TK while I never saw any video showing TK touching Cam Newton after he was kicked by Cam Newton.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Jhill,
If Knapp is coming back, then I am 100% on board with dumping everyone. Those players would be better of on real NFL teams.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We all saw it. The “fans” that want Palmer benched are are a joke. The ones that want Pryor are a joke. the ones that want Mckenzie gone are a joke. It is time to break out the plank………….
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Palmer and Pryor will be back..and when Palmer starts and the losses and picks mount, the same arguments will continue…
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Losses? Maybe. Picks? He’s not even near the top in that category with 14, plus he had at least 4 i saw that doinked right off receivers hands.
Can’t argue with the losses mounting. It is what it is.
Keep in mind we need BIG HELP at receiver. These guys like DHB who just sit and wait for the ball to come to him before he inexplicably jumps in the air for no reason and then drops a key 3rd down chance..need to go imo.
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OK. The top receivers are Keenan Allen, Terrence Williams (of Baylor) and Robert Woods. Tennessee has a couple of underclassmen, and there’s speedster Tavon Austin of W.Virginia – it will be slim pickens thats why so many juniors are declaring
December 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
I can’t believe everyone’s just resigned to Dennis Allen coming back in 2013. Awful. What happened to 3-4 weeks ago when he was like 50/50 and the Nation was abuzz with Gruden talk.
Now, we lose every game in the second half of the season save the win over the Chiefs, which wasn’t an NFL-caliber outfit this year, and it’s like, oh yeah, of course DA is coming back. Can’t get rid of the guy after one year. Gregg Knapp MIGHT not return as OC though.
Yee-hah. Thanks.
Hard to expect any better when you’ve got Dumb & Dumber (Mark/McKenzie) running the org. Anyone who thinks the current brain trust is going to lead us anywhere good is just kidding themself. These guys are amateurs and totally overmatched. And something about DA’s face makes me just want to punch him.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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What is it about the 13 mil he gets if he plays you don’t get?
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I think ur football knowledge is dim, but i’ll say this slowly, you can reconstruct contracts of players, so if Palmer reconstructs you can bet he will count less than 10M against the salary
December 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
TP can run that dumvass Knapp offense for a lot less money
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From what I saw, he could pretty much run ANY offense because the only time he excelled was when he ran around in the backfield long enough to toss his fluffball to a wide open receiver.
He looked good enough to be a number two QB. Anybody that saw different watched a different game than I did.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
TP can run that dumvass Knapp offense for a lot less money
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All reports suggest Knapp won’t be here.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
NORV TURNER will be the Raiders NEXT OC. Print that!
Carson Palmer will be starter! Hopefully Pryor will be number 2!
Norv Turner/ Palmer will help groom Pryor. .and he will get RZ packages. NORV/Palmer/PRYOR and NO MORE ZBS!!! Lets go
December 30th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Jhill,
If Knapp is coming back, then I am 100% on board with dumping everyone. Those players would be better of on real NFL teams.
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Knapp isnt coming back.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
NORV TURNER will be the Raiders NEXT OC. Print that!
Carson Palmer will be starter! Hopefully Pryor will be number 2!
Norv Turner/ Palmer will help groom Pryor. .and he will get RZ packages. NORV/Palmer/PRYOR and NO MORE ZBS!!! Lets go
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That could be a possibility as Turner may want to stay in California…Arizona might be in play as well depending how their coaching situation turns out.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Have you guys not seen better D as of late without Mcclain?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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What is it about the 13 mil he gets if he plays you don’t get?
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I think ur football knowledge is dim, but i’ll say this slowly, you can reconstruct contracts of players, so if Palmer reconstructs you can bet he will count less than 10M against the salary
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What’s dim is to think someone is gonna restructure for less money just for the hell of it. When you restructure the money just gets pushed off til the next year. Got that bright guy.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
so people want to cut Palmer cuz he’s going to make 17 M, I guess they just started following football and never heard of cap hit? they never heard of reconstructing the contract where the money could be extended to future years or some of it turned into bonus so that it wont count against salary cap
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Einstein, you either take the hit this year or next year, when it is worse.
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You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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You are WRONG: Base salary is $13 mil in 2013.
$11.75 mil was a signing bonus. Only $7.5 million guaranteed.
$3.8 was paid this year which means they only ow him $3.7 if they cut him.
Palmer should be cut
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Turner and Palmer looks like match made in heaven, we would only need to get a #1 receiver and good RT
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pryor had a nice debut. he’s a competitor, is physical, athletic and has a good attitude. he made some bad decisions as expected. BUT the guy can’t throw a football. he’s a bad passer and that’s all.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
We’re working on his footwork
-Greg Knaapp.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
raidersafc Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
What you Gruden proselytes forget is when he left Oakland he had mortgaged the Raiders future away by signing alot of older free agents and trading away draft picks for in an attempt for immediate success. After he left, he had the Raiders number because he was smarter than Callahan and Callahan wasn’t able to change the Oakland schemes enough for Gruden not to figure out what plays the Raiders would call in Tampa’s Super Bowl win. After that Super Bowl year the Raiders were in the wilderness since all the old free agents were too old and there weren’t any high draft picks to help replace them. I think Gruden probably did the same at Tampa Bay so they went down hill quickly leading to Gruden being fired. Gruden actually won the Super Bowl with a team primarily built by Tony Dungee before he was fired and ended up in Indiannapolis.
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Where to begin? First, Gruden left because he didn’t have enough say over players….but you think he mortgaged the future….that would be Al Davis.
But okay, lets say he did build that Raiders team. You admit that he won that SB agsinst the Raiders only because he knew the plays…..so the Raider team you say he built really was the better team he coached right? If Gruden doesn’t get the credit for Dungy’s team, then Calahan certainly doesn’t get the credit for the team Gruden built as you claim.
Think before you post.
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Turner and Palmer looks like match made in heaven, we would only need to get a #1 receiver and good RT
>. turner runs the Al davis like vertical offense. didn’t palmer have a bad elbow?
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
What’s dim is to think someone is gonna restructure for less money just for the hell of it. When you restructure the money just gets pushed off til the next year. Got that bright guy.
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most of the money can be paid out in bonus which won’t count against the cap
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
just a good DE and FS and MLB away from becoming good
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“Just”?
NT
CB
OLB
MLB
FS
DE
ALL those positions need new starters.
WR, RT, LG, and RB on offense at a MINIMUM on offense.
In ADDITION to a new OC.
AND, we need ALL the rookies/young guys to play MUCH better next year. Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams, Ross, Chekwa, Bilikudi, Bergstrom, Crawford, etc.
Yeah, “Just”, lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Palmer restructured with a $11.75 singing bouns. Only $7.5 was guaranteed. $3.8 mil was paid this year. They would only owe $3.7 million.
Bye Bye Palmer.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Dennis Allen does not like to admit Pryor did great considering he has not started any game in 2 years. Allen says “he did alright”
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Ah, yeah, well, couldn’t it just be because he didn’t–do well, that is? He did fine in certain areas and not that well in others? Had DA said that TP had performed “great,” we’d all call for another coach, not just some of us.
TP wasn’t “great,” bud.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
It paid off? We were down 24-7 and SD walked off the field. Did you see the game?
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again are u dumb? I think u are troll
He was ready to be starter. Ya u heard me. DID PRYOR NOT START TODAY?? or was I missing something? Did pryor not start?
24-7 Um im sorry Did pryor give up that opening TD on SPECIAL TEAMS?
IM sorry but did Pryor not score the Raiders first RUSHING TD SINCE WEEK 7 Jax game??
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I hate to be the one to tell you, but the second the team knew Pryor was starting they gave up. They KNEW they had NO chance. Hence the opening KO return. Guys did not even try. Which was not an indictment of Allen, that was an indictment of Pryor. Wake TF up.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
#499. I played from Pee Wee League to college primarily as a CB & safety. I was all state in HS
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Turner and Palmer looks like match made in heaven, we would only need to get a #1 receiver and good RT
>. turner runs the Al davis like vertical offense. didn’t palmer have a bad elbow?
9—
You don’t necessarily need to throw a deep pass on every play, you can save his arm throwing screens *which knapp don’t have any idea about*, running the ball *another thing Knapp has no idea at) and being unpredictable with other plays (knapps head is spinning now(
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
just a good DE and FS and MLB away from becoming good
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“Just”?
NT
CB
OLB
MLB
FS
DE
ALL those positions need new starters.
WR, RT, LG, and RB on offense at a MINIMUM on offense.
In ADDITION to a new OC.
AND, we need ALL the rookies/young guys to play MUCH better next year. Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams, Ross, Chekwa, Bilikudi, Bergstrom, Crawford, etc.
Yeah, “Just”, lol.
>> would a guy like jarvis jones at 3 help? no way the jags pass on him right
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Coaches that should get fired on Monday:
Dennis Allen – unlikely, but one can only hope.
Greg Knapp – Mark needs to sell some tickets next year.
Frank Pollack – Brought in with Knapp – offensive line has been awful.
Ted Gilmore – Someone needs to teach our receivers how to catch the ball.
Steve Hoffman – Absolutely clueless – worst special team in the NFL.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
It’s reasonable to assume Reggie will try to build this in the mold of what he and Thompson did in Green Bay.
If so…look for us to acquire guys who can catch the dang football. Running game will be by committee.
Goodson and Stewart fit the mold. Dmac is expendable in that line of thought.
Look how loaded GB is at receiver:
-James Jones
-Greg Jennings
-Jermichael Finley
-Jordy Nelson
-Randall Cobb
ALL of those guys can catch the football. They RARELY just drop passes like our guys do and what we’re used to seeing…and almost accept as “part of the game”. In GB it’s NOT “part of the game” and it should not be accepted as normal.
You look at that list GB has at receiver and who do we have?
-Streator
-DHB
-Moore?
-Myers?
NOT good enough. Not even close. Two of the above are in the leagues top “dropped passes” category and DHB drops key passes as well.
We’ve become accustomed to it for so long we accept it almost.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
What’s dim is to think someone is gonna restructure for less money just for the hell of it. When you restructure the money just gets pushed off til the next year. Got that bright guy.
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most of the money can be paid out in bonus which won’t count against the cap
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I’ll say this slowly reggie style for you. Loookkkk whattttt happpennned whennn theyyy restructtturrred thissss yearrrr
December 30th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Turner and Palmer looks like match made in heaven, we would only need to get a #1 receiver and good RT
>. turner runs the Al davis like vertical offense. didn’t palmer have a bad elbow?
9—
You don’t necessarily need to throw a deep pass on every play, you can save his arm throwing screens *which knapp don’t have any idea about*, running the ball *another thing Knapp has no idea at) and being unpredictable with other plays (knapps head is spinning now(
>. I’m a norv fan for OC. i prefer the vertical attack BUT the QB better have the stamina for it. Geno Smith could run it IMO. really interesting who’ll be there at 3.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I think you Palmer guys have some of us wrong.
I agree that the team around Palmer isn’t good enough for him. No WRs, running game, or Oline.
So we will be the same crappy offense next year with no WRs, no running game, and no oline, right?
6 or 7 wins? MAYBE???
I’ll take the first rd pick from one of these crap teams if I can get it instead of that miserable reality.
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That’s where we disagree. I think that three personnel moves will make this a very good offense:
1) Upgrade Barnes. The bar is pretty low there already. I assume that Bergstrom is ready to start next season at eithe RT or LG, as Carlisle is done (at least as a starter). So get a decent ZBS RT or C that plays well in the ZBS. If RT, Bergstrom plays LG. If a C, Wiz to LG, Bergstrom to RT. The line will be noticeably better.
2) Send DMac packing and use his cap space to sign 2 more RBs to compete with Goodson for the starter spot. One of the three should pan out as a good fit in the ZBS and get back to the > 4 ypc average that the non-#20’s were showing.
3) Assume DHB is a cap casualty so use his spot to go get a veteran, Hagan but a lot better type that is actual starter material. Someone that can run crisp routes, catch the ball consistently, block on running plays and be a reliable outlet. Doesn’t need to be a track star or deep threat. A guy like Brian Hartline in Miami is a good example. Or go for a slight reclamation project like Jericho Cotchery.
Everything else, except for building depth, goes on the defensive side. Retain the FAs needed and replace the rest via draft of FA.
This should be enough to create a more balanced, very potent offense. Palmer can throw for 300+ as needed, but shouldn’t have to all the time. The ZBS will work with better suited RBs and upgrading the line a bit won’t hurt any either. That, along with a consistent target to pair with Myers for clutch plays along with developing the more explosive young guys should give a lot of balance and flexibility.
Palmer is the key to all of this. He creates a lot of stability and the learning environment for the rest to gel around. With a year of his steadiness working with an improving run game that will pave the way for the next QB, whoever that turns out to be in 2014.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
J Hill Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
just a good DE and FS and MLB away from becoming good
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“Just”?
NT
CB
OLB
MLB
FS
DE
ALL those positions need new starters.
WR, RT, LG, and RB on offense at a MINIMUM on offense.
In ADDITION to a new OC.
AND, we need ALL the rookies/young guys to play MUCH better next year. Streater, Criner, Burris, Adams, Ross, Chekwa, Bilikudi, Bergstrom, Crawford, etc.
Yeah, “Just”, lol.
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I meant become a good D, not great D or good team, Raiders can def do more Damage with a pure pass rusher, a real MLB and ball hawking FS, who would have intercepted the pass gio dropped and got injured on
December 30th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
It’s reasonable to assume Reggie will try to build this in the mold of what he and Thompson did in Green Bay.
If so…look for us to acquire guys who can catch the dang football. Running game will be by committee.
Goodson and Stewart fit the mold. Dmac is expendable in that line of thought.
Look how loaded GB is at receiver:
-James Jones
-Greg Jennings
-Jermichael Finley
-Jordy Nelson
-Randall Cobb
ALL of those guys can catch the football. They RARELY just drop passes like our guys do and what we’re used to seeing…and almost accept as “part of the game”. In GB it’s NOT “part of the game” and it should not be accepted as normal.
You look at that list GB has at receiver and who do we have?
-Streator
-DHB
-Moore?
-Myers?
NOT good enough. Not even close. Two of the above are in the leagues top “dropped passes” category and DHB drops key passes as well.
We’ve become accustomed to it for so long we accept it almost.
>> Green bay also has the best QB in the NFL over the last 2 seasons. but yeah OAK doesn’t have a #WR. thought it was moore but that dude dissapears
December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
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Link? Source?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
What’s dim is to think someone is gonna restructure for less money just for the hell of it. When you restructure the money just gets pushed off til the next year. Got that bright guy.
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most of the money can be paid out in bonus which won’t count against the cap
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I’ll say this slowly reggie style for you. Loookkkk whattttt happpennned whennn theyyy restructtturrred thissss yearrrr
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LMFAO HHAHA that was funny, but what happened is he was held back by poor wide receivers, oc , run game
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Coaches that should get fired on Monday:
Dennis Allen – unlikely, but one can only hope.
Greg Knapp – Mark needs to sell some tickets next year.
Frank Pollack – Brought in with Knapp – offensive line has been awful.
Ted Gilmore – Someone needs to teach our receivers how to catch the ball.
Steve Hoffman – Absolutely clueless – worst special team in the NFL.
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I can’t believe these guys were able to make me wish for Marshall, Wilie, Fassel and Lal! I didn’t think that was possible. If you put a gun to my head I think I would take Cable with a good OC over Dennis Allen.
And I think Cable is a fking POS HC.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
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Perfect! Then we can really get alot of picks when we trade down as somebody will want this guy. Maybe pull a Rams like hustle like last year.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
1405,
Yes of course. They have Rodgers to get them the ball too. That helps. Lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
RM might trade out of the first round completely while also trading DMAC for a 3rd round pick to some drunk owner. could end up with 2 2nd round picks and 3 3rd round picks and rebuild the defense in 1 draft. fun to dream
December 30th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Damontre Moore instead of Shaugnessy , a real MLB instead of Gaither (who done impressive job replacing McClain) a real Safety instead of Gio ” I drop 1 int a game” would make the D look way better, i believe Adams and Huff would be our starters next year, Spencer, Ross, Hanson, underwood would be brought back to challenge for back up positions
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
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Perfect! Then we can really get alot of picks when we trade down as somebody will want this guy. Maybe pull a Rams like hustle like last year.
>> geno could easily be there. jets might want him, vikings, TEXANS? lot of possibilities. raiders could really cash in if he’s there. OR if jarvis jones is there they just take him for real and have a real pass rush next year. other than jones I’d have to trade down for sure.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Its amazing we did something today that we haven’t ben able to do all year and thats SCORE TDs IN REDZONE, its ben along time since we saw TDs everytime we were in the redzone, heck its ben along time since we even seen 1 td in the redzone.
Not sure where all this hate is comin from, Pryor showed some good things and I think most of us would agree that he showed he can be our 2nd QB next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
J Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
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Link? Source?
>> Raiders don’t even need to rebuild. the offense can compete with a competent OC. defense can improved dramatically in this draft IF RM is as good as was advertised. its not hopeless at all. we all got hit by a tougher schedule and the worst OC in the NFL. all a fluke
December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
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Perfect! Then we can really get alot of picks when we trade down as somebody will want this guy. Maybe pull a Rams like hustle like last year.
>> geno could easily be there. jets might want him, vikings, TEXANS? lot of possibilities. raiders could really cash in if he’s there. OR if jarvis jones is there they just take him for real and have a real pass rush next year. other than jones I’d have to trade down for sure.
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I was on JJ bandwagon before Alabama game, he got abused against the run, Damontre Moore can do it all and they beat Bama
December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
We should all hope and pray KC drafts Geno Smith…it would mean Star or Joeckel would fall to us….
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pryor had a nice debut. he’s a competitor, is physical, athletic and has a good attitude. he made some bad decisions as expected. BUT the guy can’t throw a football. he’s a bad passer and that’s all.
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He threw bad enough to get 2 TDs…
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
J Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
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Link? Source?
>> Raiders don’t even need to rebuild. the offense can compete with a competent OC. defense can improved dramatically in this draft IF RM is as good as was advertised. its not hopeless at all. we all got hit by a tougher schedule and the worst OC in the NFL. all a fluke
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Good points, better OC, #1 receiver will make all the difference on , Better Pass rush and better FS would also make the D much better, n ofcourse we can’t possibly be worse on special teams with another guy, can we?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I hate to be the one to tell you, but the second the team knew Pryor was starting they gave up. They KNEW they had NO chance. Hence the opening KO return. Guys did not even try. Which was not an indictment of Allen, that was an indictment of Pryor. Wake TF up.
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lol. wow
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pryor had a nice debut. he’s a competitor, is physical, athletic and has a good attitude. he made some bad decisions as expected. BUT the guy can’t throw a football. he’s a bad passer and that’s all.
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I was shocked what a fluff ball he throws. I can’t imagine how many ints he’d throw with defenses having game tape to study… I’d just play zone and bait him into open looks.
That said, he played with nice composure and confidence. I didn’t see any of the huddle problems I read about. He looks like a very fine number 2 with a ton of more work.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Dakota Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
We should all hope and pray KC drafts Geno Smith…it would mean Star or Joeckel would fall to us….
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yeah, Joeckel would buy Palmer an entire season..hopefully he’s a lights out run blocker
December 30th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pryor had a nice debut. he’s a competitor, is physical, athletic and has a good attitude. he made some bad decisions as expected. BUT the guy can’t throw a football. he’s a bad passer and that’s all.
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He threw bad enough to get 2 TDs…
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Those 2 TDs won’t happen often if he doesn’t work on his craft, once Ds get used to him and find his weaknesses
December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
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Perfect! Then we can really get alot of picks when we trade down as somebody will want this guy. Maybe pull a Rams like hustle like last year.
>> geno could easily be there. jets might want him, vikings, TEXANS? lot of possibilities. raiders could really cash in if he’s there. OR if jarvis jones is there they just take him for real and have a real pass rush next year. other than jones I’d have to trade down for sure.
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I was on JJ bandwagon before Alabama game, he got abused against the run, Damontre Moore can do it all and they beat Bama
>> Raiders need a von milleresque pass rusher. whoever that is at 3 should be the only pick to make at that spot other than trading down. a pass rusher helps the defense immensly
December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I hate to be the one to tell you, but the second the team knew Pryor was starting they gave up. They KNEW they had NO chance. Hence the opening KO return. Guys did not even try. Which was not an indictment of Allen, that was an indictment of Pryor. Wake TF up.
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lol. wow
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I noticed that Streater was the only guy that really sold out for the passes and he paid the price (got LIT UP by Eric Weddle)
You shouldve seen Denarius Moore’s body language sitting on the sideline bench…it was like “can this thing be over already”
December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Look how loaded GB is at receiver:
-James Jones
-Greg Jennings
-Jermichael Finley
-Jordy Nelson
-Randall Cobb
ALL of those guys can catch the football. They RARELY just drop passes like our guys do and what we’re used to seeing…and almost accept as “part of the game”. In GB it’s NOT “part of the game” and it should not be accepted as normal.
You look at that list GB has at receiver and who do we have?
-Streator
-DHB
-Moore?
-Myers?
NOT good enough. Not even close. Two of the above are in the leagues top “dropped passes” category and DHB drops key passes as well.
We’ve become accustomed to it for so long we accept it almost.
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You just made me think of something when you talked about WRs that can catch the ball. Of all the guys that don’t catch all the consistently on the roster, how many were Al picks? Quick …. yep, all of them. DHB, Moore, Myers are the most egregious droppers, although Myers caught an awful lot as well. DHB and Moore are as likely to make a spectacular catch as they are to drop one in their hands.
Why? Because Al drafted athletes first, football players second, that’s why. Everyone has always known that if you run really fast at the combine you have a good chance to become a Raider. You can always learn to catch later, right? Just like Pryor can eventually learn how to throw a football …
Meanwhile, Criner and Streater have shown the most consistent hands so far. Both are Reggie picks.
Kind of makes you go hmmmm.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
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Link? Source?
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Google says No
December 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
wonder if the Raiders draft Geno smith if he’s there at 3?
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Perfect! Then we can really get alot of picks when we trade down as somebody will want this guy. Maybe pull a Rams like hustle like last year.
>> geno could easily be there. jets might want him, vikings, TEXANS? lot of possibilities. raiders could really cash in if he’s there. OR if jarvis jones is there they just take him for real and have a real pass rush next year. other than jones I’d have to trade down for sure.
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I was on JJ bandwagon before Alabama game, he got abused against the run, Damontre Moore can do it all and they beat Bama
>> Raiders need a von milleresque pass rusher. whoever that is at 3 should be the only pick to make at that spot other than trading down. a pass rusher helps the defense immensly
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supposedly, Bjorn Werner is a speed-power type rusher
and Montgomery, Barkevious Mingo are speed rush types, along with Demontre Moore and Sean Porter of Texas A&M
a lot of those in the draft
December 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
You shouldve seen Denarius Moore’s body language sitting on the sideline bench…it was like “can this thing be over already”
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Moore has been like that for weeks. Nothing new there. In fact, he’s been pretty uninspired for the better part of the year.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Pryor had a nice debut. he’s a competitor, is physical, athletic and has a good attitude. he made some bad decisions as expected. BUT the guy can’t throw a football. he’s a bad passer and that’s all.
>>>>>>
I was shocked what a fluff ball he throws. I can’t imagine how many ints he’d throw with defenses having game tape to study… I’d just play zone and bait him into open looks.
That said, he played with nice composure and confidence. I didn’t see any of the huddle problems I read about. He looks like a very fine number 2 with a ton of more work.
>> Jamarcus Russel could throw a football. its the first element a QB HAS TO HAVE. to be throwing ducks at this level is the worst sign
December 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I hate to be the one to tell you, but the second the team knew Pryor was starting they gave up. They KNEW they had NO chance. Hence the opening KO return. Guys did not even try. Which was not an indictment of Allen, that was an indictment of Pryor. Wake TF up.
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lol. wow
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So…that opening kickoff return was on Prior?
That’s true…WAKE UP PEOPLE!
December 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
DMAC quit on Pryor too? I suppose he was lighting it up prior to this week? lol.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
I liked Pryors composure, confidence, poise back there but unfortunately those things alone don’t win you football games, he needs a lot of work to improve his stuff, i hope he works on his passing even more, he’s already exciting to watch but he will make must see TV for every one, if he ever develops good passing game
December 30th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
You shouldve seen Denarius Moore’s body language sitting on the sideline bench…it was like “can this thing be over already”
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Remember, these guys see him throw in practice every day. I wonder if Moore was literally scared for his health having to chase down ducks against live defenders.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I give up….my give a damn is busted….night all!
I hope to god Reggie’s gut is telling him to fire DA and his entire staff, but I would settle for Knapp, Hoffman and Pollack.
Hope we get some news tomorrow.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
I hate to be the one to tell you, but the second the team knew Pryor was starting they gave up. They KNEW they had NO chance. Hence the opening KO return. Guys did not even try. Which was not an indictment of Allen, that was an indictment of Pryor. Wake TF up.
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lol. wow
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So…that opening kickoff return was on Prior?
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Amazing, is it not. The same folks that asked for some perspective in judging Palmer (which I agreed with btw) are now blaming everything on Pryor. Sad. You’d think Pryor was wearing blue and yellow today.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
It’s already been ‘leaked’ to the media that Palmer is likely done in Oakland and that they are shopping DMAC. That doesn’t happen for no reason. I expect Palmer, DMAC, DHB, and Kelly to all be gone next year. Reggie and Mark are focused on fixing the money situation, not winning in the short term. They tried that this year and it blew up in their face.
Total rebuild time.
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What in the living hell are you talking about? They tried a short term fix this year? This year was ALL about fixing the cap and was done at the cost of winning. They didn’t win and the cap got better. So what exactly blew up?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
You shouldve seen Denarius Moore’s body language sitting on the sideline bench…it was like “can this thing be over already”
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Remember, these guys see him throw in practice every day. I wonder if Moore was literally scared for his health having to chase down ducks against live defenders.
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Again, Moore has been acting this way for weeks and even got BENCHED at one point this season. Yet, now this is something new and he quit on Pryor? SMH
December 30th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
I noticed that Streater was the only guy that really sold out for the passes and he paid the price (got LIT UP by Eric Weddle)
You shouldve seen Denarius Moore’s body language sitting on the sideline bench…it was like “can this thing be over already”
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Yea, fluff ball rainbow passes like that can get a guy killed in the NFL.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Its amazing we did something today that we haven’t ben able to do all year and thats SCORE TDs IN REDZONE, its ben along time since we saw TDs everytime we were in the redzone, heck its ben along time since we even seen 1 td in the redzone.
Not sure where all this hate is comin from, Pryor showed some good things and I think most of us would agree that he showed he can be our 2nd QB next year.
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Totally.
But why not make him the starter next year? This team is in year 1 of a 3 year rebuild and Pryor played well enough to almost win after sitting the pine for 2 years and a couple days practice – this with an offense that did not play *any better* with Palmer at the helm. The players *will* play hard for Pryor because he is a hard worker and has heart – think Tebow with speed. Maybe we can get lucky and have a season next year like Broncos did last year on a running game and simple will alone. Palmer does not inspire anything and he’s getting worse.
I’ll say it without reservation. Start Pryor in 2013. Not because he’s taking us to a super bowl. Because the offense cannot possibly be any worse than it was this year. And the $11 million (15 minus the Palmer cap hit) saved will come in handy to bring in some impact players on defense and improve the oline.
That plan gets us in a much better overall situation for 2014 when we can get a real coaching staff in here and draft a franchise QB if Pryor does not work out.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The ORG put him out there to prove to complete dummasses he is not an NFL Q. The team showed he is not an NFL Q bercause the ENTIRE TEAM LOOKED LIKE SH**!. And yet some TOTAL POS are here saying we should drop 5-1-20 games before THEY are convinced he is NOT an NFL Q??? FuKK them!!!!!! Thery proven they are POS! Priest, Mistic, ….. Looking your way here………….
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They put him out there at the Reggie/Mark mandate and he confirmed the coaches are dumbasses for not getting him in sooner.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Im not a huge Norv fan but he does live next door to Palmer and it sounds like they know eachother pretty well, so who knows
December 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
BTW, have they fired the coaches yet? And who has Reggie got in mind for the replacements?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Amazing, is it not. The same folks that asked for some perspective in judging Palmer (which I agreed with btw) are now blaming everything on Pryor. Sad. You’d think Pryor was wearing blue and yellow today.
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No, there is no pryor hate, it’s just some comments are ridiculous where certain posters are ready to put PRYOR in HOF after one mediocre game, and every one knows who they are
December 30th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
1426,
I’m sure it’s happened, but i’ve watched alot of GB games..since they show so many of the games, and i can’t recall any of their receivers EVER simply dropping the ball. I’m sure it’s happened. When I say that, i mean balls that should be caught…ARE CAUGHT.
You make a good point on the worst culprits being “Al guys”.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Amazing, is it not. The same folks that asked for some perspective in judging Palmer (which I agreed with btw) are now blaming everything on Pryor. Sad. You’d think Pryor was wearing blue and yellow today.
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No, there is no pryor hate, it’s just some comments are ridiculous where certain posters are ready to put PRYOR in HOF after one mediocre game, and every one knows who they are
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Fair enough. However, you don’t fight ridiculous assertions with more ridiculous assertions.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Pryor getting blamed for the KO return to start the game takes the cake in here tonight. Good one.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
The opening kick off return was a ST statement by the players. ’nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Im not a huge Norv fan but he does live next door to Palmer and it sounds like they know eachother pretty well, so who knows
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Would be brilliant. Only if they could get Ed Donatell or Ray Horton in as DC, and I’d be ecstatic
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Its amazing we did something today that we haven’t ben able to do all year and thats SCORE TDs IN REDZONE, its ben along time since we saw TDs everytime we were in the redzone, heck its ben along time since we even seen 1 td in the redzone.
Not sure where all this hate is comin from, Pryor showed some good things and I think most of us would agree that he showed he can be our 2nd QB next year.
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Totally.
But why not make him the starter next year? This team is in year 1 of a 3 year rebuild and Pryor played well enough to almost win after sitting the pine for 2 years and a couple days practice – this with an offense that did not play *any better* with Palmer at the helm. The players *will* play hard for Pryor because he is a hard worker and has heart – think Tebow with speed. Maybe we can get lucky and have a season next year like Broncos did last year on a running game and simple will alone. Palmer does not inspire anything and he’s getting worse.
I’ll say it without reservation. Start Pryor in 2013. Not because he’s taking us to a super bowl. Because the offense cannot possibly be any worse than it was this year. And the $11 million (15 minus the Palmer cap hit) saved will come in handy to bring in some impact players on defense and improve the oline.
That plan gets us in a much better overall situation for 2014 when we can get a real coaching staff in here and draft a franchise QB if Pryor does not work out.
>> did you see the passes Pryor threw? he can’t throw a football man. he’ll be throwing INTS like you can’t believe if he doesn’t fix his mechanics or whatever his issue is. this offense can be good with a new OC. watch. it’s not as bad as it seems.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Norv won’t come here – no way. He’s going to a high profile team like the Jets and be the highest paid OC in the league.
Think somebody either washed up or you’ve never heard of.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Amazing, is it not. The same folks that asked for some perspective in judging Palmer (which I agreed with btw) are now blaming everything on Pryor. Sad. You’d think Pryor was wearing blue and yellow today.
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No, there is no pryor hate, it’s just some comments are ridiculous where certain posters are ready to put PRYOR in HOF after one mediocre game, and every one knows who they are
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Fair enough. However, you don’t fight ridiculous assertions with more ridiculous assertions.
– Agreed , I’m excited for Pryor but he’s far from a finished product, can def be a guy to use in RED ZONE packages and certain short down situations while working on his craft to eventually starting some day, he’s just not ready yet, and we should not hold try outs and just start people and give up on the season
December 30th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Maybe Curtis Modkins of Buffalo or Marty Mohrningweg of Philly (he was on the coaching list last year)
December 30th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
>. Norv runs the offense raider fans are accustomed to. he’s a good choice and i think this offense as it is NOW would be putting up 25 PPG under norv.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Gruden. Hue. Cable.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Im not a huge Norv fan but he does live next door to Palmer and it sounds like they know eachother pretty well, so who knows
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Would be brilliant. Only if they could get Ed Donatell or Ray Horton in as DC, and I’d be ecstatic
— So you think different DC would have done better job with Gio as starting F safety, injured spencer, bartell? Mcclain, no pass rusher?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Im not a huge Norv fan but he does live next door to Palmer and it sounds like they know eachother pretty well, so who knows
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Would be brilliant. Only if they could get Ed Donatell or Ray Horton in as DC, and I’d be ecstatic
— So you think different DC would have done better job with Gio as starting F safety, injured spencer, bartell? Mcclain, no pass rusher?
>. Tarver isn’t a problem IMO and should be back. defense will be improved next year when they get more talent
December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I’ll say it without reservation. Start Pryor in 2013. Not because he’s taking us to a super bowl. Because the offense cannot possibly be any worse than it was this year. And the $11 million (15 minus the Palmer cap hit) saved will come in handy to bring in some impact players on defense and improve the oline.
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Nobody builds a team around a QB that can’t throw. They build it around a player like Palmer. Now if there was a player like Luck or RG3 waiting to be drafted… sure, get rid of his salary.
Otherwise there is nothing above that makes any sense. Sorry. Pryor just won the number two QB spot. Thats it. It opens up an extra roster spot is all.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Norv won’t come here – no way. He’s going to a high profile team like the Jets and be the highest paid OC in the league.
Think somebody either washed up or you’ve never heard of.
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Why not? who would you rather coach, Sanchez/some rookie/tebow or Palmer/Pryor?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Gruden. Hue. Cable.
>. Tom Cable will drop a motherfu*er if he misses his block too
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
If Pryor had some help with the WRs, we win. ’nuff said.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I’ll say it without reservation. Start Pryor in 2013. Not because he’s taking us to a super bowl. Because the offense cannot possibly be any worse than it was this year. And the $11 million (15 minus the Palmer cap hit) saved will come in handy to bring in some impact players on defense and improve the oline.
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Nobody builds a team around a QB that can’t throw. They build it around a player like Palmer. Now if there was a player like Luck or RG3 waiting to be drafted… sure, get rid of his salary.
Otherwise there is nothing above that makes any sense. Sorry. Pryor just won the number two QB spot. Thats it. It opens up an extra roster spot is all.
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Maybe Landry Jones? Fallen off the Radar of late. We’ll have to see more at the Shrine Game, and the Senior Bowl.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Gruden. Hue. Cable.
>. Tom Cable will drop a motherfu*er if he misses his block too
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Just ask Randy Hanson.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
If Pryor had some help with the WRs, we win. ’nuff said.
>> you like Pryors passing?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Doesn’t matter who we get for players until Reggie announces who the coaches are. Then we’ll know what kind of system is going to be here and the type of players we’ll need. So first things first. Who will the new coaches be?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
So everyone is on Norv for OC Bandwagon? any other condidates on mind?
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Norv won’t come here – no way. He’s going to a high profile team like the Jets and be the highest paid OC in the league.
Think somebody either washed up or you’ve never heard of.
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Why not? who would you rather coach, Sanchez/some rookie/tebow or Palmer/Pryor?
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Here we go with Tebow again.
And Sanchez.. 68 int 25 career fumbles Sanchez?!
December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Im not a huge Norv fan but he does live next door to Palmer and it sounds like they know eachother pretty well, so who knows
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Would be brilliant. Only if they could get Ed Donatell or Ray Horton in as DC, and I’d be ecstatic
— So you think different DC would have done better job with Gio as starting F safety, injured spencer, bartell? Mcclain, no pass rusher?
>. Tarver isn’t a problem IMO and should be back. defense will be improved next year when they get more talent
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Exactly my toughts,I thing Tarver is a brilliant mind, i think he did good considering the talent he was handed and he had the D playing really well down the stretch, I’m excited to see how he does with talented Damontre moore who can play in both 3-4 and 4-3 and and other good players on D
December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Zymurge
You look like a dumbass idiot considering your comments just yesterday
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When do you not look like a dumbass, Kell the Snitch?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
>> you like Pryors passing?
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He’ll improve when we get better coaches.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I doubt any different defensive coaches will be brought in.The changes should and will be on offense and ST.I’d love to see Norv as our OC.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Denise Allen the NFL’s first female coach. The experiment failed. Denise was very unpredictable as she consistently displayed mood swing, vindictiveness and unreasonable judgement. She was stuck in her ways and displayed zero leadership ability. It seems she had a problem dealing with and/or coping with men or simply menstral cramps.
On another note: Carson Palmer=Jeff George. A QB who put up huge irrelevent numbers while consistently losing. He turn the ball over consistently and almost always in crunch time. Cincy became alot better once he left, so will the Raiders.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Just say No to Sanchez.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Dennis Allen Head Coach Oakland Raiders 2012:
The 2012 Oakland Raiders season was the franchise’s 43rd season in the National Football League and the 53rd overall. It was the first season under head coach Dennis Allen, who replaced Hue Jackson, who was fired one week after the 2011 season ended. It was also the first full season without the ownership of longtime owner Al Davis, who died on October 8, 2011, and the first season with a non-Davis family member as the general manager since 1972, as Reggie McKenzie was hired from the Green Bay Packers’ organization by Al Davis’ son Mark on January 10 to be the GM of the team, and was given full autonomy over the football operations. McKenzie fired Jackson on his first day and hired Allen 2 weeks later. The Raiders failed to improve on their 8–8 record in 2011, securing them into their tenth consecutive non-winning season and the tenth consecutive elimination from postseason contention.
On February 2, the Raiders announced the hiring of current Houston Texans’ quarterbacks coach Greg Knapp as their new Offensive Coordinator. Knapp took over from Al Saunders, who was re-assigned within the Raiders’ coaching structure. Knapp also became the first assistant coach to be hired by Allen in his capacity as Head Coach.
San Diego Chargers L 14–22 0–1
at Miami Dolphins L 13–35 0–2
Pittsburgh Steelers W 34–31 1–2
at Denver Broncos L 6–37 1–3
at Atlanta Falcons L 20–23 1–4
Jacksonville Jaguars W 26–23 (OT) 2–4
at Kansas City Chiefs W 26–16 3–4
Tampa Bay Buccaneers L 32–42 3–5
at Baltimore Ravens L 20–55 3–6
New Orleans Saints L 17–38 3–7
at Cincinnati Bengals L 10–34 3–8
Cleveland Browns L 17–20 3–9
(With the loss, the Raiders dropped to 3-9 and have therefore been eliminated from playoff contention. This would become the first road victory for the Cleveland Browns since Week 2 of the 2011 season, and the first television blackout for the Raiders since Week 16 of the 2010 season.)
Denver Broncos L 13–26 3–10
Kansas City Chiefs W 15–0 4–10
at Carolina Panthers L 6–17 4–11
at San Diego Chargers L 21–24 4–12
The 2012 Oakland Raiders gave up 443 points, their most since the 1961 season. Al Davis joined the Oakland Raiders after the 1962 season. They also had a point differential of -153. In 2011, it was -74. In 2010, it was 39.
Overall offensive rank: 29th
Overall defensive rank: 19th
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
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Al Davis. And Lombardi was the buffer between Norv and Al.
that being said
any other choices?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Derek Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Denise Allen the NFL’s first female coach. The experiment failed. Denise was very unpredictable as she consistently displayed mood swing, vindictiveness and unreasonable judgement. She was stuck in her ways and displayed zero leadership ability. It seems she had a problem dealing with and/or coping with men or simply menstral cramps.
On another note: Carson Palmer=Jeff George. A QB who put up huge irrelevent numbers while consistently losing. He turn the ball over consistently and almost always in crunch time. Cincy became alot better once he left, so will the Raiders.
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So Pryor or (insert draft pick or FA here) is the future….?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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You are WRONG: Base salary is $13 mil in 2013.
$11.75 mil was a signing bonus. Only $7.5 million guaranteed.
$3.8 was paid this year which means they only ow him $3.7 if they cut him.
Palmer should be cut
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Sorry, but I’m not. You might want to go work with Pryor on remedial math.
A signing bonus is guarnateed. Know why? Because it’s a bonus that you paid all at once when you sign. That’s why they call it a S-I-G-N-I-N-G bonus.
So Palmer was paid $11.75 up front in 2012 for a three year deal. He already has the money in pocket, so it all counts against the cap no matter how you slice and dice it down the road.
In 2012, the first of three prorated $3.88M chunks were applied to the cap. That leaves two more of the same sized chunks left applied to 2013 and 2014. If you cut him in 2013, you have to pay off ALL the remaining bonus against that year’s cap. So let’s add those two chunks together … $3.88M + $3.88M = $7.76M. That IS the 2013 acceleration cost.
If he stays in 2013, you still need to count the $3.88M against that year. It’s non-negotiable. Where it gets interesting is what to do with his contract salary which is 100% negotiable, because since it hasn’t been paid yet, it doesn’t affect the cap. He has $13M due in base salary with no changes. He has $15M due in 2014 in base.
Now if he so chooses to play nice, he can restructure some or all of that future, non-guaranteed $28M any way that he and the team see fit. The cap implications of such a restructure are totally dependent on the new deal. If he wanted to take the veteran minimum in and waive all the rest, he could. Not thathe would, but there are no cap restrictions that prevent this.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Manassamauler.
Bottom of the league bad. And it ain’t going to be fixed in one season.
Palmer – overpaid and on the downside of a dissapointing career
DMAC – fragile and in the wrong system
Moore – fragile and suddenly lost wtf happened?
Brisel – bust
DHB – bust
Carlile – gone
Barnes – gone
Veldheer – decent
Wiz – was better at guard
Reece – best offensively player this season
Streater – potential
Myers – Free Agent
That’s the 2012 starting offense. Just reality. How can starting Pryor next year and use Palmers salary to improve the oline and running game be a bad thing?
Cut DHB while you’re at it. Tired of his azz too. Hagan is better.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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You are WRONG: Base salary is $13 mil in 2013.
$11.75 mil was a signing bonus. Only $7.5 million guaranteed.
$3.8 was paid this year which means they only ow him $3.7 if they cut him.
Palmer should be cut
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Sorry, but I’m not. You might want to go work with Pryor on remedial math.
A signing bonus is guarnateed. Know why? Because it’s a bonus that you paid all at once when you sign. That’s why they call it a S-I-G-N-I-N-G bonus.
So Palmer was paid $11.75 up front in 2012 for a three year deal. He already has the money in pocket, so it all counts against the cap no matter how you slice and dice it down the road.
In 2012, the first of three prorated $3.88M chunks were applied to the cap. That leaves two more of the same sized chunks left applied to 2013 and 2014. If you cut him in 2013, you have to pay off ALL the remaining bonus against that year’s cap. So let’s add those two chunks together … $3.88M + $3.88M = $7.76M. That IS the 2013 acceleration cost.
If he stays in 2013, you still need to count the $3.88M against that year. It’s non-negotiable. Where it gets interesting is what to do with his contract salary which is 100% negotiable, because since it hasn’t been paid yet, it doesn’t affect the cap. He has $13M due in base salary with no changes. He has $15M due in 2014 in base.
Now if he so chooses to play nice, he can restructure some or all of that future, non-guaranteed $28M any way that he and the team see fit. The cap implications of such a restructure are totally dependent on the new deal. If he wanted to take the veteran minimum in and waive all the rest, he could. Not thathe would, but there are no cap restrictions that prevent this.
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And didnt Palmer stash away a lot of Cincinnat’si money, too? I dont think he’s hurting for cash. But he’ll want to see a lot more additions…particularly at least one receiver approaching a no. 1 slot. It seems like nobody wanted it this year.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
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I’m expecting another ZBS guy to come in – not Norv.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
On Palmer’s deal, just in case you are into things like facts and the truth:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/carson-palmer-restructures-contract/
December 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
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Al Davis. And Lombardi was the buffer between Norv and Al.
that being said
any other choices?
>>>>>
I’d like to see a young hot shot OC hungry to make his name with HCing aspirations. No more last-chance retreads please. Think of a Tarver but on offense…
December 30th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Just say No to Sanchez.
>> don’t start that rumor. dirty sanchez better just stay on the east coast. don’t come here
December 30th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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You are WRONG: Base salary is $13 mil in 2013.
$11.75 mil was a signing bonus. Only $7.5 million guaranteed.
$3.8 was paid this year which means they only ow him $3.7 if they cut him.
Palmer should be cut
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Sorry, but I’m not. You might want to go work with Pryor on remedial math.
A signing bonus is guarnateed. Know why? Because it’s a bonus that you paid all at once when you sign. That’s why they call it a S-I-G-N-I-N-G bonus.
So Palmer was paid $11.75 up front in 2012 for a three year deal. He already has the money in pocket, so it all counts against the cap no matter how you slice and dice it down the road.
In 2012, the first of three prorated $3.88M chunks were applied to the cap. That leaves two more of the same sized chunks left applied to 2013 and 2014. If you cut him in 2013, you have to pay off ALL the remaining bonus against that year’s cap. So let’s add those two chunks together … $3.88M + $3.88M = $7.76M. That IS the 2013 acceleration cost.
If he stays in 2013, you still need to count the $3.88M against that year. It’s non-negotiable. Where it gets interesting is what to do with his contract salary which is 100% negotiable, because since it hasn’t been paid yet, it doesn’t affect the cap. He has $13M due in base salary with no changes. He has $15M due in 2014 in base.
Now if he so chooses to play nice, he can restructure some or all of that future, non-guaranteed $28M any way that he and the team see fit. The cap implications of such a restructure are totally dependent on the new deal. If he wanted to take the veteran minimum in and waive all the rest, he could. Not thathe would, but there are no cap restrictions that prevent this.
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Unfortunately the whole post would go to waste since you’re trying to explaining this to guys who are ready to put Pryor in HOF after a mediocre game
December 30th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
A fair and reasonable assessment: http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22285248/poole-oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-shows-promise-debut
December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
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Have you ever had a job you HATED? Would you go back to that building for any reason? Its human nature. No way Norv comes back here… and I’d rather have a young hot-shot anyway.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Manassamauler.
Bottom of the league bad. And it ain’t going to be fixed in one season.
Palmer – overpaid and on the downside of a dissapointing career
DMAC – fragile and in the wrong system
Moore – fragile and suddenly lost wtf happened?
Brisel – bust
DHB – bust
Carlile – gone
Barnes – gone
Veldheer – decent
Wiz – was better at guard
Reece – best offensively player this season
Streater – potential
Myers – Free Agent
That’s the 2012 starting offense. Just reality. How can starting Pryor next year and use Palmers salary to improve the oline and running game be a bad thing?
Cut DHB while you’re at it. Tired of his azz too. Hagan is better.
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I’m honesty over both DHB and Moore experiences, cut ford and hagan too, so Bowe-Streater-Criner-UDFA pick another FA pick up
December 30th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
CDERaider Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Manassamauler.
Bottom of the league bad. And it ain’t going to be fixed in one season.
Palmer – overpaid and on the downside of a dissapointing career
DMAC – fragile and in the wrong system
Moore – fragile and suddenly lost wtf happened?
Brisel – bust
DHB – bust
Carlile – gone
Barnes – gone
Veldheer – decent
Wiz – was better at guard
Reece – best offensively player this season
Streater – potential
Myers – Free Agent
That’s the 2012 starting offense. Just reality. How can starting Pryor next year and use Palmers salary to improve the oline and running game be a bad thing?
Cut DHB while you’re at it. Tired of his azz too. Hagan is better.
>> watching pryor run around and lob passes will be fun for a while until teams keep him in the pocket more and then it will get ugly. unless he works a miracle. you need stability at QB otherwise upgrading the rest of the team is pointless. you could bring in larry fitzgerald and it wouldn’t matter of hs QB is throwing ducks. Its palmer or some other seasoned veteran next year.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Zymurge, you intimated that Pryor didn’t have the intellect to play QB.
What say you now?.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
>>>>>
Have you ever had a job you HATED? Would you go back to that building for any reason? Its human nature. No way Norv comes back here… and I’d rather have a young hot-shot anyway.
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Why would you have young hotshot anyways when on the other hand you hated we signed another young hot-shot DA and Tarver, why not bring in a proven guy who had success every where he went?>
December 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
>>>>>
Have you ever had a job you HATED? Would you go back to that building for any reason? Its human nature. No way Norv comes back here… and I’d rather have a young hot-shot anyway.
>. norv runs an offense that works, has always worked and is the Raider style. he might come back with MD in charge.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Massa, didn’t that boy play good today?
December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Our players will get better if Reggie hires the right coaches. Good coaches coach players up. It will be interesting to see who Reggie brings in. I bet he’s been talking to Gruden. If DA is still the HC next year, he definately will have a whole new staff.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Zymurge, you intimated that Pryor didn’t have the intellect to play QB.
What say you now?.
>> pryor is intelligent, you should pay more attention to his PASSING ability.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Massa, didn’t that boy play good today?
>. pryor had a great debut IMO
December 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
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Al Davis. And Lombardi was the buffer between Norv and Al.
that being said
any other choices?
>>>>>
I’d like to see a young hot shot OC hungry to make his name with HCing aspirations. No more last-chance retreads please. Think of a Tarver but on offense…
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closest thing to that would be Jeremy Bates (36 years old) He was OC of the Seahawks in 2010 and has worked with Cutler as the Quarterbacks coach…also Denver’s QB coach during Cutler’s run there, so if we drafted a QB, he’d be a young OC that could mold one – think Tyler Bray (Tennesee)
thats about it
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
not to start the whole gruden thing back up BUT Gruden might be able to help pryor
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Massa, didn’t that boy play good today?
>. pryor had a great debut IMO
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“I like the way you die, boy!”
-Django Unchained
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
>>>>>
Have you ever had a job you HATED? Would you go back to that building for any reason? Its human nature. No way Norv comes back here… and I’d rather have a young hot-shot anyway.
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It could still happen under the right circumstances. The man he hated working under is no longer here. Heck, Knapp probably hated his first stint here too but he was convinced to come back, unfortunately for us.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
We don’t have the correct HC to build around. He’s under contract for the next 3 seasons so might as well focus on what he (supposedly) is good at – Improve the Defense!
Hire an OC from the college ranks ala Tarver someone willing to take the chance, work for cheap, and not overshadow Sharpie boy. On offense, embrace the pistol, start Pryor, focus on building the oline and running game with young players.
Guarantee Pryor wins at least 4 games next season, maybe not 8 but definitely 4. By 2014, we will finally have a clean balance sheet, a full slate of draft picks – and God willing, a team full of promising young players. Then we can start courting real coaches.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
not to start the whole gruden thing back up BUT Gruden might be able to help pryor
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Have a feeling he’d be butting heads with Palmer A LOT..especially throwing into tight windows…thats friction waiting to happen.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Season awards
MVP Of Os
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Palmer
Most improved
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Myers
Streater
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PLayers to look for in 2013
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Pryor
Streater
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Underachieved/Regressed,Disappointedetc
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Moore
DHB
Mcfadden
December 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
3rd and 4? Right up Pryors alley
December 30th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
not to start the whole gruden thing back up BUT Gruden might be able to help pryor
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Gruden will bring in the correct assistants too. No doubt. No more screwin around with impotents.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Gdog Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Norv HATED it in Oakland. Just ask Cork. No way he sets foot in that building again. Its human nature. Stop with the Norv as OC garbage please.
— That was when Al was alive right? I think he would love to come in and work with Palmer
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Have you ever had a job you HATED? Would you go back to that building for any reason? Its human nature. No way Norv comes back here… and I’d rather have a young hot-shot anyway.
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It could still happen under the right circumstances. The man he hated working under is no longer here. Heck, Knapp probably hated his first stint here too but he was convinced to come back, unfortunately for us.
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Very real possibillity…he was probably hysterical over AJ Smith losing V-Jax and Darren Sproles….revenge is a dish best served cold, and he’d want to avoid going back to deal with Jerry Jones (although they are a little more stacked on offense)
December 30th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
You realize that the cap acceleration gets cheaper the farther you are into the contract, right? You pay the prorated portions of the bonus across each remaining year. So if you do it a year later, that’s one prorated chunk less than it will cost.
Palmer has $3.88ish million prorated hit for each of 2013 and 2014. Cutting him in 2013 costs you both, or about $7.9M. Cutting him in 2014 only costs $3.88M.
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You are WRONG: Base salary is $13 mil in 2013.
$11.75 mil was a signing bonus. Only $7.5 million guaranteed.
$3.8 was paid this year which means they only ow him $3.7 if they cut him.
Palmer should be cut
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Sorry, but I’m not. You might want to go work with Pryor on remedial math.
A signing bonus is guarnateed. Know why? Because it’s a bonus that you paid all at once when you sign. That’s why they call it a S-I-G-N-I-N-G bonus.
So Palmer was paid $11.75 up front in 2012 for a three year deal. He already has the money in pocket, so it all counts against the cap no matter how you slice and dice it down the road.
In 2012, the first of three prorated $3.88M chunks were applied to the cap. That leaves two more of the same sized chunks left applied to 2013 and 2014. If you cut him in 2013, you have to pay off ALL the remaining bonus against that year’s cap. So let’s add those two chunks together … $3.88M + $3.88M = $7.76M. That IS the 2013 acceleration cost.
If he stays in 2013, you still need to count the $3.88M against that year. It’s non-negotiable. Where it gets interesting is what to do with his contract salary which is 100% negotiable, because since it hasn’t been paid yet, it doesn’t affect the cap. He has $13M due in base salary with no changes. He has $15M due in 2014 in base.
Now if he so chooses to play nice, he can restructure some or all of that future, non-guaranteed $28M any way that he and the team see fit. The cap implications of such a restructure are totally dependent on the new deal. If he wanted to take the veteran minimum in and waive all the rest, he could. Not thathe would, but there are no cap restrictions that prevent this.
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So as stands they Palmer a total of $14 million in 2013. Or they can cut him and pay $7.6 million. They owe that $7.6 mil no matter what. Lets say he takes a cut to $10 mil a year salary. They will not keep him in 2014 so total to keep Palmer in 2013(one year) will be around $17.6 million. Save the $10 mil and move on.
CUT Palmer!
December 30th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Season awards
MVP Of Os
—–
Palmer
Most improved
—
Myers
Streater
–
PLayers to look for in 2013
-
Pryor
Streater
–
Underachieved/Regressed,Disappointedetc
—
Moore
DHB
Mcfadden
<, Denarious Moore is the biggest buster IMO. i thought that guy was a legit #1 WR, 85 catch 1300 yard 12 TD type of talent. damn
December 30th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I love you Carson. Bye
December 30th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Underachieved/Regressed,Disappointedetc
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Moore
DHB
Mcfadden
McClain
Branch
December 30th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
DA believes in the ZBS scheme.
That’s why he hired Knapp in the first place.
Norv isn’t coming.
December 30th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Denarious Moore is the biggest buster IMO. i thought that guy was a legit #1 WR,
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So did Reggie. He hitched his wagon to Moore and called him his #1 WR. Us fans were not the only ones….though I’m sure there are self-proclaimed experts in here that “saw it coming all along”. lol
December 30th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Why would you have young hotshot anyways when on the other hand you hated we signed another young hot-shot DA and Tarver, why not bring in a proven guy who had success every where he went?>
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I had no problem with the DA or Tarver hire.
I went INSANE when Knapp was hired. I bet I can find the posts.
I am looking at the college game for a possible replacement. Its tough to find NFL assistant coaches because anyone any good is under contract and you can’t hire laterally.