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Previewing today’s Raiders vs. Chargers game

By Jon Becker
Sunday, December 30th, 2012 at 11:28 am in Oakland Raiders.

Terrelle Pryor’s first NFL start will almost assuredly be Chargers coach Norv Turner’s final game in San Diego. Here’s a look at how things are shaping up for the Raiders in their final game of 2012:

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  • Just Fire Baby

    no they don’t. they scroll team records. am i on candid camera?

    *****************************

    BS, they scroll Carson’s record as a Raider all the time.

    They don’t flash it under Tommy Kelly’s stat line.

    Only the QB’s.

  • Dakota

    Blowout loss is what we need to fix this mess.

  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    looks like Gary Kubiak might be available for OC soon. lol

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    Go Raiders!

  • Dakota

    Morons still posting on the last link.

  • dr_robert

    Manassamauler Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:32 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    stop it Bob… you know Luck is a hell of a QB.
    ************

    he’s a heck of prospect. but he’s the #29 rated qb, with 27 turnovers. a classic example of a qb getting over-hyped. he has done some good things. but he has NOT had a great year.

    >. hmmmm 10-5 record? but the don’t track win-loss records OOOPPPSS? 4000 yards and 6 game winning drives as a rookie. go home

    *************

    21 td’s 18 int’s 9 fumbles. tons of mistakes. ur so stupid it hurts. u have zero understanding of the game. ur like a housewife.

  • dr_robert

    Manassamauler Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:33 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:31 am

    Manassamauler Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    dr_robert Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:26 am

    this is like trying to teach a special education class how to do calculus.

    qb’s HELP teams win. so do RB’s, coaches, defenses, kickers, etc. they are important. but they don’t win or lose. TEAMS win or lose. seriously. ur making fools of urselves.

    >> QB leads the team. leaders get the credit and the blame. thats called LIFE dr.rob, you may have noticed that in the working world as well, or maybe not. QBS are the manager and direct the whole offense and affect the defense as well. managers get the credit and the blame. grow up Dr. Rob.
    ***********
    no pathetic moron. head coaches lead the team and THEY get credit for wins and losses. qb’s get credit for yardage and td’s and int’s. look up their stats. u won’t see wins and losses next to their name ANYWHERE. are u a first year fan or something?

    >. i feel pity for you
    **********

    why, cuz of my tremendous understanding of football?

  • Dakota

    Can we call this game the “About to be fired Bowl?”

  • dr_robert

    Passer rating
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Passer rating (known as passing efficiency or pass efficiency in NCAA football) is a measure of the performance of quarterbacks or any other passers in American football and Canadian football. There are at least two formulae currently in use: one officially used by the National Football League and the Canadian Football League, and one used in college football. Passer rating is calculated using each quarterback’s completion percentage, passing yardage, touchdowns and interceptions.
    A perfect passer rating in the NFL is 158.3. A perfect passing efficiency in college football is 1261.6.
    Contents [hide]
    1 History
    2 NFL & CFL
    3 NCAA
    4 Value and Limitations
    5 Records
    5.1 NFL
    5.2 NCAA
    6 See also
    7 References
    8 External links
    [edit]History

    The NFL’s complex passer rating was devised in 1971 by a special committee headed by Don Smith, an executive at the Pro Football Hall of Fame.[1][2] Don Weiss created the passer rating.[2] Prior to that, the NFL had struggled with how to crown a passing ranking using multiple statistics.[1]
    [edit]NFL & CFL

    The calculation of the NFL (and CFL) passer rating involves more steps than the NCAA formula. In order to establish a maximum value for an NFL player’s passer rating, a separate calculation needs to be completed involving each of the following four categories: Completion Percentage, Average Yards Per Attempt, Percentage of Touchdown Passes, and Percentage of Interceptions. If the result in any category is less than 0, the given result should be 0. If the result in any category is greater than 2.375, the given result should be 2.375. This makes the maximum possible quarterback rating for the NFL 158.3. A perfect rating requires at least a 77.5% completion rate, at least 12.5 yards per attempt, a touchdown on at least 11.875% of attempts, and no interceptions.[3]
    The four separate calculations can be expressed in the following equations:

    where
    ATT = Number of passing attempts
    COMP = Number of completions
    YARDS = Passing yards
    TD = Touchdown passes
    INT = Interceptions
    Then, the above calculations are used to complete the passer rating:

    where
    [edit]NCAA

    Passer rating, known formally in college football as passing efficiency or pass efficiency, is based on player performances. The NCAA passing efficiency formula is far simpler[4] than the NFL formula, as it lacks limits on the four components:

    The NCAA passer rating has an upper limit of 1,261.6 (every attempt is a 99-yard completion for touchdown), and a lower limit of -731.6 (every attempt is completed, but results in a 99-yard loss). A passer who throws only interceptions will have a -200 rating, as would a passer who only throws completed passes losing an average of 35.714 yards.
    [edit]Value and Limitations

    As mentioned, both the NFL and NCAA passer rating formulae are only based on completion percentage, passing yardage, touchdowns, and interceptions. As the NFL notes, “It is important to remember that the system is used to rate passers, not quarterbacks. Statistics do not reflect leadership, play-calling, and other intangible factors that go into making a successful professional quarterback.”[3] For example, it does not factor in rushing yards gained by such quarterbacks as Randall Cunningham, Steve Young, Michael Vick, and John Elway who were also known for their running ability. Nor does it measure a quarterback’s win-loss record, how many times he has fumbled or been sacked, or evaluate his leadership and performance during crucial situations such as third-down efficiency or fourth-quarter scoring drives.
    In 2011, the American sports network ESPN developed an alternative statistic called the total quarterback rating which purports to more accurately measure quarterbacks’ contribution to their teams’ winning.[5]
    After ESPN’s unveiling of total quarterback rating, CNNSI.com published an article by Kerry Byrne of Cold Hard Football Facts highlighting the importance of passer rating in determining a team’s success.[6] “Put most simply,” the article states, “you cannot be a smart football analyst and dismiss passer rating. In fact, it’s impossible to look at the incredible correlation of victory to passer rating and then dismiss it. You might as well dismiss the score of a game when determining a winner. [...] Few, if any, are more indicative of wins and losses than passer rating. Teams that posted a higher passer rating went 203-53 (.793) in 2010 and an incredible 151-29 (.839) after Week 5.” Byrne made an expanded defense of the passer rating and its importance for the Pro Football Researchers Association in 2012.[7] The study noted that of the eight teams since 1940 to lead the league in both offensive passer rating and defensive passer rating, all won championships.[8]
    [edit]Records

    [edit]NFL
    Aaron Rodgers holds the NFL record for the highest career passer rating for any player with at least 1,500 attempts, with a current mark of 104.1.[9] In 2011 Rodgers also set the record for highest passer rating in a single season with a 122.5 rating.[10] In 2012, Robert Griffin III posted a mark of 158.3, the highest single game passer rating by a rookie.[11] Wide receiver Antwaan Randle El, with a passer rating of 157.5 from 21 completed passes of a possible 26, has the highest career rating of any non-QB with more than twenty attempts.[12] Peyton Manning holds the record for the most games with a perfect passer rating (4). As of 2012, 61 NFL quarterbacks have completed a game with a perfect passer rating of 158.3, and seven have done so multiple times. Phil Simms holds the Super Bowl record for the highest passer rating, game, at 150.92 in Super Bowl XXI. Ben Roethlisberger holds the Super Bowl record for the lowest passer rating to win game, at 22.6 in Super Bowl XL.
    [edit]NCAA
    In Division I FBS (formerly Division I-A), the career record for passing efficiency is held by Sam Bradford of Oklahoma, who had a career mark of 175.6 between 2007 and 2009.[13] The single-season record belongs to Russell Wilson of the Wisconsin Badgers, who achieved a passer rating of 191.8 over the 2011 season, while the freshman record belongs to Michael Vick of Virginia Tech, whose rating during the 1999 season was 180.4.[citation needed]
    [edit]

    ************

    i don’t see wins and losses included in passer rating. do u?

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Norv Turner is in an interesting position here. He can help dictate Pryor’s fate. If he knew he wasn’t going to be fired and still loyal to the Chargers, he could have his time make Pryor look good. Then the Raiders would be saddled with a development anchor.

    On the other hand, he’s one of a small group of OC candidates for the Raiders. So if he’s thinking that way, and he sees what any good football mind about Pryor’s lack of potential, he’ll have his guys play to make him look bad. Lots of movement and baiting.

    Do I believe any of that? Hell no, but thought I’d just perpetuate the conspiracy theories that fly for so long in here.

  • dr_robert

    Manassamauler Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:39 am
    why, cuz of my tremendous understanding of football?

    >> pro-football-reference.com dipsh*t. teh FIRST stat listed is the QBs record, before pass ATT, yards TDs, INTS etc. now STFU and stop trolling me assho*le
    **********

    the actual nfl, dummy. not a “site”. ur now the dumbest guy on the blog. hard to do, but congrats!

  • 303Raider

    Can’t believe how luck the Donks are.

    I mean the Colts must be owned by Pat Bowlens brother.
    They give them Manning and now if the win today, Denver has the #1 seed.

    I’m moving back to the bay if Denver wins the SB.

  • dr_robert

    Zymurge Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:41 am
    Norv Turner is in an interesting position here. He can help dictate Pryor’s fate. If he knew he wasn’t going to be fired and still loyal to the Chargers, he could have his time make Pryor look good. Then the Raiders would be saddled with a development anchor.

    On the other hand, he’s one of a small group of OC candidates for the Raiders. So if he’s thinking that way, and he sees what any good football mind about Pryor’s lack of potential, he’ll have his guys play to make him look bad. Lots of movement and baiting.

    Do I believe any of that? Hell no, but thought I’d just perpetuate the conspiracy theories that fly for so long in here.
    ***********

    great new nickname for pryor.

    the development anchor!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Jets, nothing to play for and still run a draw on 3rd and 12 inside the red zone.

    Maybe, just a thought, you try to let Sanchez do SOMETHING there?

    Nope, run a draw and then get the FG blocked.

    Jets are run by some nimrods.

  • stablersbeard

    “Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    I think it is very funny that hue jack is back in rotation as a potential hc. That is very good news.”

    +++++

    Sorry for backing up, but I couldn’t find a single mention anywhere of Jackson being on any team’s radar as a HC candidate. Or in the conversation as a candidate for ANY job anywhere.

    Delusional?

  • RaidingTexas

    Hard to believe Jason Campbell was the only winning QB in Oakland over the last decade. And the others aren’t even remotely close. Man that’s sad.

  • Dakota

    “We’ll listen to see if it’s right for me and my family. I’m not just gonna run away to be a head coach, I’m not gonna do that,” Arians said. “I want to make sure they have a chance to win and see what the situation is, what city it is in. But definitely would listen, yes.”

    HIRE BRUCE ARIANS AS HC…..that would fix the offense….

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    no they don’t. they scroll team records. am i on candid camera?

    *****************************

    BS, they scroll Carson’s record as a Raider all the time.

    They don’t flash it under Tommy Kelly’s stat line.

    Only the QB’s.

    =====

    I think this is more from fallout from other sports that like to pin W-L on certain positions. Like baseball does with pitchers and hockey does with goalies. The American sports fan is just used to seeing this pinned on certain players in a culure that seems to need to always find one person to hold accountable — earned or not.

    In the end, it’s just one of many stats, none of which give more than a fraction of the picture. Anyone that relies solely on one, or even a small subset of stats, is equally small minded and unable to see the big picture of cause and effect in the complex ecosystem of football.

  • dr_robert

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:43 am
    Jets, nothing to play for and still run a draw on 3rd and 12 inside the red zone.

    Maybe, just a thought, you try to let Sanchez do SOMETHING there?

    Nope, run a draw and then get the FG blocked.

    Jets are run by some nimrods.
    **********

    and they’re not even playing their passing-challenged “development anchor” like we are. just their sh!tty usc qb.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Panthers have Bruce Campbell active, but still don’t see him out there.

  • RaidingTexas

    “Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    I think it is very funny that hue jack is back in rotation as a potential hc. That is very good news.”

    ———————————————-

    Hue’s name only comes up when he starts telling everyone he’s interested in a job. But you’ll notice that none of the teams ever say they are interested in him.

  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    stablersbeard Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:43 am

    “Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 28th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
    I think it is very funny that hue jack is back in rotation as a potential hc. That is very good news.”

    +++++

    Sorry for backing up, but I couldn’t find a single mention anywhere of Jackson being on any team’s radar as a HC candidate. Or in the conversation as a candidate for ANY job anywhere.

    Delusional?
    ….

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–five-nfl-coaches-most-likely-to-get-fired-and-their-potential-replacements-211123019.html

  • alex7

    Tomlin and Steelers = evidence #163 that PLAYERS win games, not coaches.

    Injuries caught up to Steelers, Tomlin and LeBeau didn’t suddenly forget how to coach.

    Raiders need PLAYERS 100x’s more than they need yet another new coach.

  • EMRaiders

    I am looking forward to see Pryor play today. Not because I think he will light it up or anything like that, but because we will get to see if he is worth keeping around or not. And that will also give us some direction on where to go in the offseason with the QB position. It is the most important position after all, right?

    If nothing else, this is an exciting game to watch simply for that reason. We all know it is a meaningless game, there’s nothing at stake, and we all know what the fate of Norv Turner will be. The only thing in question might be the jobs of DA, Knapp, and Tarver, but I think deep down we know more than likely DA will be retained. So really Knapp and Tarver are the only ones that might be gone after today.

    I do think however, that there will be a much bigger and better HC candidate pool this offseason than last season. So it might be in our best interest to take a serious look at the candidates before we let DA go, and then go after a proven HC. I say hold on to DA until we find one in case the ones we like don’t want to come here. The worst thing we can do is let DA go, and then end up with someone worse.

    Knapp should be let go right away though. Tarver is borderline, but Hoffman needs to go asap too. This was a wasted season.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Dakota,

    Still haven’t determined how I will delivery the blog FF championship Al Davis Cup to you.

    Part of me wants to give it you gracefully, another part wants to go WWE and act like I am and than smash upside your head.

  • jesusraiderjim

    Just watched the highlight video of “BO” he really wasn’t that good. He had a great O-Line

    “Sarcasm” settle down. What a frakin stud he was!!!

    He made it look easy too! Al deninitely didn’t blow that pick

  • dr_robert

    Zymurge Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:29 am
    no they don’t. they scroll team records. am i on candid camera?

    *****************************

    BS, they scroll Carson’s record as a Raider all the time.

    They don’t flash it under Tommy Kelly’s stat line.

    Only the QB’s.

    =====

    I think this is more from fallout from other sports that like to pin W-L on certain positions. Like baseball does with pitchers and hockey does with goalies. The American sports fan is just used to seeing this pinned on certain players in a culure that seems to need to always find one person to hold accountable — earned or not.

    In the end, it’s just one of many stats, none of which give more than a fraction of the picture. Anyone that relies solely on one, or even a small subset of stats, is equally small minded and unable to see the big picture of cause and effect in the complex ecosystem of football.
    **********

    they all stopped after “i think”.

    they’re too busy watching matt schaub beat andrew luck, josh freeman beat matt ryan, ryan fitzpatrick beat mark sanchez, jay cutler beat matthew stafford, jake locker beat chad henne, drew brees beat cam newton, and eli manning beat michael vick.

  • Dakota

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Dakota,

    Still haven’t determined how I will delivery the blog FF championship Al Davis Cup to you.

    Part of me wants to give it you gracefully, another part wants to go WWE and act like I am and than smash upside your head.
    _____

    Fed Ex

  • alex7

    Dakota

    Bruce Arian has Chuck Pagano there, who LAUGHED at the job opening in Oakland last year. Arian would NEVER come to Oakland. He wants, as he describes, a good situation to head into. Ours isn’t.

  • dr_robert

    Alex7 Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:49 am
    Tomlin and Steelers = evidence #163 that PLAYERS win games, not coaches.

    Injuries caught up to Steelers, Tomlin and LeBeau didn’t suddenly forget how to coach.

    Raiders need PLAYERS 100x’s more than they need yet another new coach.
    *********

    no. qb’s win games. only qb’s. it’s like tennis.

  • 303Raider

    Thank goodness Houston scored!!

  • Dakota

    alex7 Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Dakota

    Bruce Arian has Chuck Pagano there, who LAUGHED at the job opening in Oakland last year. Arian would NEVER come to Oakland. He wants, as he describes, a good situation to head into. Ours isn’t.
    ++++++++++++

    Al Davis is dead.

  • dr_robert

    we already have our gm, coach, and qb for next year. pick something else to talk about.

  • 303Raider

    Good QB’s win games.
    Great QB’s win SB’s!

  • dr_robert

    Dakota Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    alex7 Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Dakota

    Bruce Arian has Chuck Pagano there, who LAUGHED at the job opening in Oakland last year. Arian would NEVER come to Oakland. He wants, as he describes, a good situation to head into. Ours isn’t.
    ++++++++++++

    Al Davis is dead.
    ***********

    LOL! alex/sullivan doesn’t know what else to do with those beloved handles.

  • dr_robert

    303Raider Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    Good QB’s win games.
    Great QB’s win SB’s!
    **********

    nope.

  • alex7

    Al Davis was dead last year when Pagano laughed at us.

    People know it’s still a mess here. Reggie/DA get 3 years.

    No idea though who will be QB in 3 years. Can’t imagine it’s a 35-year old Palmer.

  • 303Raider

    Ok Dr. Robert please explain your rational.

    So you’re saying Brady, Peyton, Montana, are not great QB’s?

  • RaidingTexas

    303Raider Says:

    Great QB’s win SB’s!

    —————————————–

    Hmmmm. I can’t really bring myself to say that Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer were great QBs. I just can’t do it.

  • Dakota

    alex7 Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:57 am
    Al Davis was dead last year when Pagano laughed at us.

    People know it’s still a mess here. Reggie/DA get 3 years.

    No idea though who will be QB in 3 years. Can’t imagine it’s a 35-year old Palmer.
    +++++++++

    Despite the current worthless coaching staff, the franchise is in a much better place now…..we have high speed internet now, and our GM wakes up before noon.

  • alex7

    there are always outliers.

    Great QBs are the strongest statistical correlations to playoff/SB wins.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    jesusraiderjim Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:51 am
    Just watched the highlight video of “BO” he really wasn’t that good. He had a great O-Line

    “Sarcasm” settle down. What a frakin stud he was!!!

    He made it look easy too! Al deninitely didn’t blow that pick

    ======

    Actually, you’re right. Bo wasn’t that good. He was limited. He couldn’t hit a major league curve ball no matter how good his blocking in front of him was.

  • stablersbeard

    22. Back-N-Black Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:49 am
    ++++
    THanks. Missed that one somehow.

    So… Jason Cole thinks he’s a candidate…..

  • realtruraider

    alex7 Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:52 am
    Dakota

    Bruce Arian has Chuck Pagano there, who LAUGHED at the job opening in Oakland last year. Arian would NEVER come to Oakland. He wants, as he describes, a good situation to head into. Ours isn’t.

    ——————————————————-

    Ummm…..that was a couple years ago and it was about the DC job, he wasn’t even the Ravens DC yet when a reporter asked him about the Raiders DC job and he said he already did his time here and that whoever gets the job wouldn’t get paid much or something like that

  • alex7

    Rick Reuschel disagrees with your Bo assessment :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLx4VcBaNo8

  • RaidO

    It’s almost TP time!

  • RaidO

    303Raider Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    Good QB’s win games.
    Great QB’s win SB’s!
    ————–

    TRUTH!

    and Palmer has had one good season= 11-5

  • dr_robert

    Dr_robert Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:55 am
    303Raider Says:
    December 30th, 2012 at 11:54 am
    Good QB’s win games.
    Great QB’s win SB’s!
    **********

    nope.

    **************

    unless u count jim mcmahon, doug williams, jeff hostetler, mark rypien, brad johnson, and trent dilfer as great.

  • RaidingTexas

    Stablersbeard Says:

    THanks. Missed that one somehow.

    So… Jason Cole thinks he’s a candidate…..

    ——————————————

    Exactly. Nobody else does. I did several google searches after seeing that link. I found NOTHING that links Hue in any way to the Chargers. NOTHING.

    This Cole guy is just pulling names out of a hat. Or maybe Hue floated him a coupon for free manicure to get his name out there.

  • alex7