Allen setting sights on 2013 and beyond
By Steve Corkran
Monday, December 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen survived the so-called Black Monday, the day NFL teams routinely jettison head coaches and general managers. Yet, as expected, someone had to pay for the team’s 4-12 season with their jobs.
“I said this from the very beginning, I’m not in this for a one-year deal,” Allen said. “I’m in this long-term. I’m in this to build this thing the right way. And I’m excited about looking forward to the future and where this organization is going to go.”
As it turned out, the future won’t include offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, offensive line coach Frank Pollack, special teams coordinator Steve Hoffman and linebackers coach Johnny Holland. Allen fired those four Monday morning.
Allen said he doesn’t “anticipate” firing any other coaches. There was plenty of speculation on whether defensive coordinator Jason Tarver would survive a season in which the Raiders allowed 443 points, more than last season and the third-most per game in franchise history.
The fact the Raiders held the Chiefs, Panthers and Chargers to an average of 13.7 the final three games, including a shutout of the Chiefs, no doubt helped Tarver’s cause.
“I was pleased with where Jason was,” Allen said. “J.T. does a good job for us. He’s a very smart football coach. He, like all of us, he’s the first time in that position, and so we all go through a learning curve in that position and that’s something we’ve looked at throughout this organization, guys that are the first time doing that particular job, and we’ll grow from it.”
For now, it’s on to 2013, without dwelling too much on the season that ended Sunday the same way it started, with a loss to the San Diego Chargers.
The Raiders tied for the third-worst record in the league, with three of their victories coming over the 2-14 Chiefs and Jaguars. They lost 11 games or more for the eighth time in 10 seasons.
Through it all, Allen sees a time when the Raiders do more than muddle along and experience things greater than moral victories and emptiness at season’s end.
“Listen, at the end the day, you are who you are,” Allen said in owning the fact the Raiders finished 4-12. “You are what your record says you are. Do I think we can play better and have enough talent on this team to be better than we were? Yeah. We feel short in that area.
“But that’s the past. I’m looking toward the future. We’re looking to build this team the right way. We’re going to get the right players, we’re going to get the right coaches and we’re going to build this organization the way it’s supposed to be done and we’re going to get back to the glory days of the Oakland Raiders.”
To that end, Allen said, he and general manager Reggie McKenzie met several times within the past few weeks in an effort to identify which of their prospective free agents they are interested in re-signing.
“We’ve identified those guys that we’re trying to get back and we’re in the process,” Allen said. “How long that process takes, at the end of the day Reggie will handle that part of it. But we’ve met a lot over the last few weeks and where we’re going as an organization and what we’re looking to do. We’ve got a clear plan of what we’re trying to get done.”
It’s a safe bet that McKenzie will target players such as linebacker Philip Wheeler, running back Mike Goodson and defensive end Matt Shaughnessy in an attempt to get them back in the mix before they are eligible for unrestricted free agency in March.
Even then, there’s still plenty of work to do, countless positions to be filled, problem areas to be fixed and moves that need to be made between now and the start of next season.
The foundation has been laid, though, Allen said.
“Our guys really understand what they’re going to be accountable for and the things we’re looking for in a football team and the things we’re looking for in players,” Allen said. “They also understand that we have to develop that leadership in the locker room that will allow us to sustain success over a long period of time.
“This is a players game. Players make plays and the best teams are able at some point in time to hand the keys to the car over to the players and they’re able to run the program the way it needs to be run. We’re not at that point yet but we’re developing that every day.”
– Allen declined to go into detail on how he plans on proceeding with displaced middle linebacker Rolando McClain.
Therefore, we’ll lay it out for you.
The Raiders kept McClain on the roster the final three games after he returned from a two-game suspension for conduct detrimental to the team for one reason: in the hope that they can peddle him via trade and get a draft pick or two in return.
There’s almost no conceivable way that the Raiders bring back McClain next season, not after the way he behaved, not after he got replaced by rookie Miles Burris in the nickel package and certainly not at the salary he is slated to receive.
Of course, the other teams are aware of that, too, so they likely won’t offer much, if anything, for McClain. If they have any interest, they simply can wait until the Raiders release McClain.
It’s worth a shot, though.
– Quarterback Carson Palmer missed the regular-season finale with broken ribs and a bruised lung. Allen said he expects Palmer to make a full recovery and be the Raiders quarterback next season.
“To my knowledge, there’s no long-term implications,” Allen said. “To my knowledge, he’s going to make a full recovery and be fine.”
Palmer suffered his injury against the Carolina Panthers on Dec. 23 and was placed on season-ending injured reserve. He is slated to earn $13 million in base salary next season.
The Raiders would take a massive hit against the salary cap if they opted to trade or release Palmer. Also, they don’t have another proven option on their roster.
– Running back Darren McFadden averaged 5.2 yards rushing in 2010 and 5.4 last season, when Hue Jackson called the plays. This season, that figure dipped to 3.3.
That played a part in Allen’s decision to fire Knapp and Pollack. It doesn’t sound as if the Raiders have any plans to part ways with McFadden, though.
“I like Darren,” Allen said. “He’s a good running back, he’s an explosive player and I’m hoping that he can continue to produce in the future.”
McFadden has one year remaining on his rookie contract.
– Allen said he considered Al Saunders for the offensive coordinator position before he hired Knapp last offseason. Saunders is back in the mix now.
“We’re going to look at all the possible options,” Allen said.
Allen also made it clear that he isn’t looking for a coach that runs a specific system.
“I believe the zone scheme running scheme is a productive running scheme,” Allen said. “Obviously we didn’t have the success that we needed to have and there were a lot of factors that contributed into that. I’m not tied to a specific system. I’m tied to trying to find out what our players can do really well and try to put them in those positions to give them a chance to have success. I’m looking for production and execution, and that’s where we have to be better.
Allen added that he is fully aware of the success McFadden enjoyed under Jackson.
“There were some good things that were done the year prior as far as what they did, the execution,” Allen said. “What I want to do is get the right guy for the job. I’m not tied into the system but I want to make sure that we’re able to be a successful, productive offense. We have to have some rhythm and some explosiveness in our offense.”
– The Raiders set league records for penalties (163) and penalty yards (1,358) in 2011. Therefore, there was bound to be improvement this season in that regard.
Sure enough, the Raiders reduced their penalties by one-third and finished with 108 for 939 yards. Both figures were the eighth-highest in the league.
So, there’s still work to be done in that area, as well. Call it progress, at least by comparison.
– Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor watched the tape from his starting debut and came away impressed by some things, bothered by others.
Seems fair, given he was thrust into a tough situation after spending most of his first two seasons on the bench as the No. 3 quarterback and not receiving many reps with the first-team offense.
“I haven’t had a lot of reps with the guys, so it’s tough to be on (the same) page,” Pryor said. “But, just for going out and having fun and trying to get some plays, draw ‘em up and make them work, I thought we did a decent job.”
Agreed. I watched the tape last night and felt as if Pryor acquitted himself well, all things considered.
Sure, he still needs work on his accuracy, timing and touch, but he did a nice job commanding the huddle, avoiding penalties and sacks and keeping alive plays with his feet.
If nothing else, he showed enough to warrant a longer look next season.
“Definitely it’s something to build off of. I wish we could have won, obviously, but it’s something to build off of,” Pryor said. “I’m very excited that I started. I can go home and can feel like somehow hold my head up high that I accomplished one of my goals of starting at least one game and lead the guys like I know how to do.”
Pryor said he intends to work on things such as his touch and completing passes in the face of pressure. He is hopeful that his teammates will be just as committed.
“When the (coordinator) gets in here, I’m going to be in here and I want to know exactly, I want the playbook, I want to start getting on it,” Pryor said. “Now we leaders that are going to step up and say, ‘Alright, you guys get on our back, and I’m going to lead.’ That’s what we need from guys. We’re going to have that starting in February. I hope guys are accountable, we can hold guys accountable to be here and get some good work in here in February, when they open the doors.”
With that, we close the doors on the 2012 season.
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December 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Translation: Allen trying to save his job.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
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882.Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
850.LA to TheBay Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Pryor has PLENTY of arm strength. I think his release point is too high, which is why he’s rainbowing it too often. He can zing it.
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Is Pryor still in the 9th grade? If it ain’t fixed by now, it NEVER WILL BE!
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Shame it was week 17. Nothing to discuss on that front until camp next year I suppose.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
So, the Raiders fired Denise’s whole coaching staff?
December 31st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I am not hating on Pryor, I have simply never seen him as a competent passing QB. Nothing looked different to me yesterday that would cause me to change my mind. Rainbows. That can work if you are super accurate and have good WRs….see Rivers….but Pryor will never be that accurate of a passer.
I will go out on a limb and say he will never have a 300 yard passing game in the NFL.
If he does have a 300 yard passing game in the next year as a Raider I will eat my hat and kiss his azz and beg for forgiveness.
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I’m not saying he WILL, or he WON’T…..I’ve been made to look stupid on a yearly basis with college and NFL combined. I’m right ALOT….I’m also Wrong ALOT… So what? I don’t think Pryor is as bad as people are making him out to be. He’s also not as good as some claim he is. I’ve probably seen more of Pryor’s college ball than most Raider fans cause Buckeye’s are my 2nd team. He was their Rock, and ran that offense; Always seemed to find a way, and I’ve seen him throw Darts, and pinpoint 50 yard passes. He CAN do it…. He just didn’t display his best in the 60 min that we saw.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaiderDogg….sorry your Warriors still can’t beat my Lakers!
December 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
DA better lower his expectations and hope he can figure out a way he can make it through midseason next year.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Quote from Bill Williamson;
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest
Pryor prove himself? I really liked what I saw from Terrelle Pryor on Sunday. He showed leadership, poise and heart.
He is not a finished product, but I think there is something Oakland can work with. There are a lot of young, dynamic quarterbacks in this league. I think Oakland had to make developing Pryor quickly a priority. Carson Palmer is 33, expensive, and not improving.
If Pryor makes big strides in the offseason, I don’t think it would be a terrible idea for Oakland to consider handing him the starting job. This team will be still rebuilding for the next couple of years. Might as well give the kid a chance.
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Bill williamson was number 1 guy against Pryor being anything.. His stance today. Still hope for u Pryor naysayers
December 31st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Careful what you wish for…..the Raiders are looking for an OC.
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Reggie will hire a great O coach, not Montes kid.
I hope.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I’m not saying he WILL, or he WON’T…..I’ve been made to look stupid on a yearly basis with college and NFL combined. I’m right ALOT….I’m also Wrong ALOT… So what? I don’t think Pryor is as bad as people are making him out to be. He’s also not as good as some claim he is. I’ve probably seen more of Pryor’s college ball than most Raider fans cause Buckeye’s are my 2nd team. He was their Rock, and ran that offense; Always seemed to find a way, and I’ve seen him throw Darts, and pinpoint 50 yard passes. He CAN do it…. He just didn’t display his best in the 60 min that we saw.
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I agree. I watched all of his college games and the Rose bowl where he was MVP.
He can make throws like the one he did for 38 yards to streater just dropped a dime.. also does floaters. The key for him will be conistency. Make no mistake though. He can compete at this level. The chargers had 11 sacks against Greg McEleroy the previous week. They hardly touched Pryor .. they came close tho.. Pryor was elusive
December 31st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Denver’s defense gets better when DA leaves and our whole team regresses under his watch.
Hey Reggie give the man another year.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Realtruraider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Yep Knapp had a few posters swingin from his sack this season, JFB and Raider Riff to name a couple, they cannot be happy with this news lol
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I could care less. I was never a Knapp fan. I was just honest about him not being the issue. The problem was with execution or lackthereof by our O-Line and WRs.
Our O-Line was getting beat physically. Our WRs dropped way too many balls. That changes the complextion of a game beyond what a OC can fix with just tricky play calling.
Is Knapp the greatest play caller ever? No. He’s average. Hue and Norv are the two best. But we didnt need Knapp to be brilliant, we just needed our WRs to do their damn jobs.
I also defended Knapp because the people criticising him are a bunch of no-nothings that couldnt break down scotch tape let alone NFL game tape. You guys have no business questioning scheme or strategy because as far as youre concerned, its a foreign language.
Firing Knapp only bothers me for one reason and that is because it looks like our young WR core and O-Line will be learning yet another offensive system. That will be 5 different systems in 5 years for guys like DHB. That sucks.
If the WR group continues to drop passes at the rate they do, and DMC continues to miss large portions of the season when we need him most, and we go another season without a playmaking DE on defense…. then it wont matter who our new OC is unfortunately.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
So, the Raiders fired Denise’s whole coaching staff?
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I have no idea who “Denise” is.
If you’re referring to DENNIS, he fired his OC, o-line coach, special teams coach and linebackers coach. Hardly the “whole coaching staff.”
December 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
i want to hear from mumbles and mark davis…
December 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
the Raiders reduced their penalties by one-third
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JFB called it!!
December 31st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
quack hows that zbs working? #unemployed…
December 31st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
i want to hear from mumbles and mark davis…
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That’s nice.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:54 pm
quack hows that zbs working? #unemployed…
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The ZBS works fine when a competent o-line coach teaches it. See Oakland, 2007-2009 with Tom Cable.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
know-nothings called this idiot coach on his bs…
December 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
#unemployed…lol
December 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
You are right, DA did reduce the penalties. Change his position to penalty coach and hire a real head coach.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
So, the Raiders fired Denise’s whole coaching staff?
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I have no idea who “Denise” is.
If you’re referring to DENNIS, he fired his OC, o-line coach, special teams coach and linebackers coach. Hardly the “whole coaching staff.”
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Big deal. I left out LB coach, and Def coor. That’s it.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“When the (coordinator) gets in here, I’m going to be in here and I want to know exactly, I want the playbook, I want to start getting on it,” Pryor said. “Now we leaders that are going to step up and say, ‘Alright, you guys get on our back, and I’m going to lead.’ That’s what we need from guys. We’re going to have that starting in February. I hope guys are accountable, we can hold guys accountable to be here and get some good work in here in February, when they open the doors.”
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Call me a Pryor Apologist, but how can you not like that from the youngster?
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Getting our penalites down to 8th worst in the league is pretty good. We’ll never be one of the least penalized teams. Rozzelles henchmen wont allow that.
The best we can do is avoid our own dumb penalties. Were due to get 4-5 a game that are just bad ref calls becasue of who we are. Its the additional 5-6 we do to ourselves that are what kills us.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I’m not saying he WILL, or he WON’T…..I’ve been made to look stupid on a yearly basis with college and NFL combined. I’m right ALOT….I’m also Wrong ALOT… So what? I don’t think Pryor is as bad as people are making him out to be. He’s also not as good as some claim he is. I’ve probably seen more of Pryor’s college ball than most Raider fans cause Buckeye’s are my 2nd team. He was their Rock, and ran that offense; Always seemed to find a way, and I’ve seen him throw Darts, and pinpoint 50 yard passes. He CAN do it…. He just didn’t display his best in the 60 min that we saw.
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I agree. I watched all of his college games and the Rose bowl where he was MVP.
He can make throws like the one he did for 38 yards to streater just dropped a dime.. also does floaters. The key for him will be conistency. Make no mistake though. He can compete at this level. The chargers had 11 sacks against Greg McEleroy the previous week. They hardly touched Pryor .. they came close tho.. Pryor was elusive
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Yeah, and I KNEW that inconsistency was his issue way back then….But in that Rose Bowl, I couldn’t beleive what I was watching. He was throwing it all over the yard, and running when he needed to. The Ducks couldn’t stop him. I remember some games thinking he didn’t look pretty….. Like scrambling around, reversing field twice, on his way to the sideline throwing a strike in the corner of the Endzone for a TD…..Thinking, Gawd Damn, he looks lost sometimes or he’s trying to do too much…But the kid was a winner, and I couldn’t deny him that.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
18.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
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Can he lead from the TE/WR position? Cuz that is the only place he will be starting barring injury.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
#22…lmao good post man..
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Yep PRYOR is GENIUNINE. Look what he did to GOODSON.
Pryor said he loves goodson but he cant be doing that. Just from watching carson Pryor said he knows how hard it is to get down in the Red Zone. Sorry for tossing him around but he has to be smarter.
Pryor wants to get better sand said he want to develope a bond with guys in the locker room/ weight room/ pratice field. not bad for a guy who had started in 2 1/2 years and no 1st team practice reps the whole season
December 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
#unemployed…lol
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I don’t know why you keep LOLing. I’ve been saying for MONTHS how terrible Frank Pollack’s o-line was. If he’d been coaching angle-blocking, we wouldn’t have been any better. He’s a cruddy coach.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
A good start. I refuse to renew my season tickets until I see more progress.
December 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
24.LA to TheBay Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“When the (coordinator) gets in here, I’m going to be in here and I want to know exactly, I want the playbook, I want to start getting on it,” Pryor said. “Now we leaders that are going to step up and say, ‘Alright, you guys get on our back, and I’m going to lead.’ That’s what we need from guys. We’re going to have that starting in February. I hope guys are accountable, we can hold guys accountable to be here and get some good work in here in February, when they open the doors.”
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Call me a Pryor Apologist, but how can you not like that from the youngster?
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Teblow says all the right things too….you think he is an NFL caliber QB?
December 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
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Not a full rebuild. But we are getting our cap in order.
Might as well keep around what talent we do have to try and sell some tickets no?
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
Getting those pieces does not require a “full rebuild” does it?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
24.LA to TheBay Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“When the (coordinator) gets in here, I’m going to be in here and I want to know exactly, I want the playbook, I want to start getting on it,” Pryor said. “Now we leaders that are going to step up and say, ‘Alright, you guys get on our back, and I’m going to lead.’ That’s what we need from guys. We’re going to have that starting in February. I hope guys are accountable, we can hold guys accountable to be here and get some good work in here in February, when they open the doors.”
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Call me a Pryor Apologist, but how can you not like that from the youngster?
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Teblow says all the right things too….you think he is an NFL caliber QB?
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The difference is, Shebow says the stuff, and then doesnt follow thru. He spends all his free time peddling his book rather than working on his game.
TP is going to put in the work.
Sheblow is nothing but a preacher in pads.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Its good to see another Pryor hater aka CORKY turning his stance on PRYOR.. not bad after 1 game.
Pryor loves the nay sayers tho.. means he is a factor. if he wasnt they wouldnt even be talking about him.
Pryor has alot of fans ..also alot of nay sayers who are really just confused and secret admires.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
because quack you and mctroll and dav were all on knapps sack until you finally flip flopped…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Teblow says all the right things too….you think he is an NFL caliber QB?
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I don’t buy Tebow’s rah rah act. For whatever reason, I buy TP’s. It seems more genuine. I have absolutely no facts or numbers to back that up whatsoever though. Just my gut.
And, hey, people’s guts get other people jobs, so it’s gotta be worth slightly more than zilch.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
33.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
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Not a full rebuild. But we are getting our cap in order.
Might as well keep around what talent we do have to try and sell some tickets no?
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
Getting those pieces does not require a “full rebuild” does it?
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I agree. That is why the “Start Pryor” insanity has to stop.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
corky just wants to stay on the sandwhich list…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
PPL are saying at least should be a number 2 and used in RZ packages. Palmer or another vet should start and lets see how it plays out. U are the only one pounding ur hands on the keyboard dickota
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
18.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
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Can he lead from the TE/WR position? Cuz that is the only place he will be starting barring injury.
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Nope.
TEs and WRs never lead teams.
Leadership positions are QB, MLB, OLB, and DE
I havent really seen it done from any other position.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Tafur was just on 95.7.
He said the same thing DA did above. Same as Monte Poole. Same as most who watched.
That Pryor has lots of problems that need to be corrected, and that with a lot of work, Pryor could work his way into being a backup qb.
Also stated he asked DA “You think you should have used Pryor in the red zone, earlier in the year? Think he could have helped?”
DA: “He could have helped”
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for Pryor. Basically saying that instead of releasing him outright, or changing his position, see if he can improve enough to be a qb on the team.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Hey guys…..shhhhhhh, now don’t tell anyone, but Teblow is actually a better passer than Pryor…..shhhhhhh, I know, I know, the Pryor nutcases might faint when they find out.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Denise should set his sights on his next job, his tenure here is tenuous at best.
he ca throw Knapp under the bus all he wants he was the HC and we lost 12 games in 16. Whatever Knapp did DA endorsed entusiastically. He was on board with everything Knapp did and he should the first one to go with Knapp.
If Reggie wants to hitch his wagon to DA. Mark Davis should put Reggie on high alert, that from now on you are joined at the hip with your boy DA, and if he goes YOU go also. I would make Reggie either fish or cut bait. DA failed miserably Reggie hired DA after firing the best coach we have had in years.
Telling everyone “I want my own guy” you got your own guy and he sucks. You hired him and you fired Hue for failing going 1-4 down the stretch now you want keep your own guy who went 1-8. So now if he goes YOU go also…..period
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I agree. That is why the “Start Pryor” insanity has to stop.
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You have zero football acumen if you seriously want TP to start next year.
Would be total disaster, and we would be the laughingstock of the NFL.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Ya what vic tafaur says is all fine in dandy.. but that fatty isnt the one putting in the work.. neither is the nay sayers. Alot of ppl wont want to admite they are wrong.
DA had us believing Pryor couldnt even get the huddle together. He was wrong.
Only PRYOR and Palmer to some extent will only know how good Pryor wants to be. Palmer is his mentor. With Pryor sky is the limit
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
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Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
December 31st, 2012 at 3:06 pm
hate to break it to u.. Raiders are aleady the laughing stock in the league
December 31st, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Allen said he considered Al Saunders for the offensive coordinator position before he hired Knapp last offseason. Saunders is back in the mix now.
“We’re going to look at all the possible options,” Allen said.
Allen also made it clear that he isn’t looking for a coach that runs a specific system.
“I believe the zone scheme running scheme is a productive running scheme,” Allen said. “Obviously we didn’t have the success that we needed to have and there were a lot of factors that contributed into that. I’m not tied to a specific system. I’m tied to trying to find out what our players can do really well and try to put them in those positions to give them a chance to have success. I’m looking for production and execution, and that’s where we have to be better.
Allen added that he is fully aware of the success McFadden enjoyed under Jackson.
“There were some good things that were done the year prior as far as what they did, the execution,” Allen said. “What I want to do is get the right guy for the job. I’m not tied into the system but I want to make sure that we’re able to be a successful, productive offense. We have to have some rhythm and some explosiveness in our offense.”
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Allen changing his tune to save his job! LOL!
Hilarious!
Little flip flopper.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
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ya but dont listen. we have Zero control in these things. Its what the coaches/ GM/ MARK DAVIS want. I really believe it if were up to DA leinart would have started yesterday and it would have been a snoozefest
December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
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Not a full rebuild. But we are getting our cap in order.
Might as well keep around what talent we do have to try and sell some tickets no?
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
Getting those pieces does not require a “full rebuild” does it?
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Yeah LOL this year was 8-8 with potential. Next year is 4-12 ??WTF??
9-10 wins?? LOL, Not with NEVER WIN LOSER Palmer. Nice optimism.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
33.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
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Not a full rebuild. But we are getting our cap in order.
Might as well keep around what talent we do have to try and sell some tickets no?
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
Getting those pieces does not require a “full rebuild” does it?
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I agree. That is why the “Start Pryor” insanity has to stop.
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Nobody thinks that starting him will improve us at QB for 2013 (beyond ‘13 is another debate).
What we think is that Palmer at 13 million and no significant free agent signings versus Pryor the starter and bringing in major talent upgrades at key positions is a intriguing comparison.
Cut/trade Briesel, DHB, Rolando, Kelly, Seymour, Lechler, Palmer, and Branch and you can bring in nearly all of the top free agent talent this offseason. That is a ton of cap space free’d up.
But on the flip side, just cutting/trading all those guys by Palmer can free up a hell of a lot also and give Pryor one more (much needed) year of working behind/with Palmer.
Being that it’s going to be a new offensive system, starting Pryor next year is absolutely a dead issue and not possible. Gotta keep Palmer around one more year to help with the transition.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Why does it have to be 2 categories?…..A Lover / A Hater?
Could somebody be plesantly surprized with TP and NOT be all over his ball-sack?
Or be annoyed at CP’s untimely picks and not be labeled a Palmer HATER?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Hey Troll we saw the game, we don’t need endorsments from Vic Tafur or the double agent. BTW do you really think we are fooled anymore by your using other names……lol
Get over yourself…..
Now you can pretend to me again sick fool…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Team looked like crap and never had a chance in almost all games played and almost lost 2 of the games they lost. Only saving grace for DA was less penalties but had 9 in the last game and an ejection on a play that got them a first and goal from the one….. Really poorly coached team…. NO WAY this guy would succeed in the SEC…..JOKE HAYSEED LOSer
December 31st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Denise should set his sights on his next job, his tenure here is tenuous at best.
he ca throw Knapp under the bus all he wants he was the HC and we lost 12 games in 16. Whatever Knapp did DA endorsed entusiastically. He was on board with everything Knapp did and he should the first one to go with Knapp.
If Reggie wants to hitch his wagon to DA. Mark Davis should put Reggie on high alert, that from now on you are joined at the hip with your boy DA, and if he goes YOU go also. I would make Reggie either fish or cut bait. DA failed miserably Reggie hired DA after firing the best coach we have had in years.
Telling everyone “I want my own guy” you got your own guy and he sucks. You hired him and you fired Hue for failing going 1-4 down the stretch now you want keep your own guy who went 1-8. So now if he goes YOU go also…..period
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By YOUR OWN WORDS, AL DAVIS SHOULD HAVE CANNED HIS OWN ASS EACH AND EVERY YEAR FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.
Al hired Callahan.
Hired Norv
Hired Shell
Hell, after he was turned down, as an AFTERTHOUGHT, he hired Kiffin.
Those and numerous others were fails.
Stop wth your idiot “he should do this” or “he should fired himself”.
You sound, seriously, like a old geezer ranting.
you don’t see that?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
see ya in 2014
December 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
37.LA to TheBay Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Teblow says all the right things too….you think he is an NFL caliber QB?
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I don’t buy Tebow’s rah rah act. For whatever reason, I buy TP’s. It seems more genuine. I have absolutely no facts or numbers to back that up whatsoever though. Just my gut.
And, hey, people’s guts get other people jobs, so it’s gotta be worth slightly more than zilch.
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I agree that Tebow is not a very good passer, but we can’t just ignore that the guy took over Denver and proceeded to win 6 of his next 8 ballgames and THREW for 336 yd’s while beating Dick Lebeau’s vaunted Pittsburgh defense in the playoffs. One game you say “ahhhh it’s a fluke” but going 7-2?
He did what he did and it is what it is. Some credit goes to DA’s 20th ranked Bronco defense.
That being said…I say NO to Tebow. I’m just saying it’s almost ridiculous to ignore what Tebow did as a one time fluke. We’re talking a fluke that lasted 9 games.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Ya what vic tafaur says is all fine in dandy.. but that fatty isnt the one putting in the work.. neither is the nay sayers. Alot of ppl wont want to admite they are wrong.
DA had us believing Pryor couldnt even get the huddle together. He was wrong.
Only PRYOR and Palmer to some extent will only know how good Pryor wants to be. Palmer is his mentor. With Pryor sky is the limit
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Exactly.
Palmer believes in Pryor. That should be enough of a endorsement to convince any of you.
DA said Pryor coulnt even be the #2. Unless that was serious gamesmanship, then DA’s ability to judge talent is seriously flawed. TP just did more in that game than we’ve done since the TB game several weeks back.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Question, why didn’t DA recognize how bad Knapp was like everyone else and shift on the fly like a real winner and drop that dummy………why because he’s an IDIOT
December 31st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
I agree. That is why the “Start Pryor” insanity has to stop.
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You have zero football acumen if you seriously want TP to start next year.
Would be total disaster, and we would be the laughingstock of the NFL.
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Palmer was the starter and they just went 4-12 which could have been an easy 2-14. Please stop the madness. It’s time to move on from Palmer. He is not winner and NEVER will be. The young buck comes in with the same crap team on his first NFL start with no REAL first team reps and gets 3 TD’s. Rather gamble on TP then a guaranteed losing season with OVERRATED INT machine NEVER going to WIN Palmer. Raiders are rebuilding. Move on.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I have to remind some fans this every single year.
Rich Gannon had a WINNING RECORD in the NFL before he came to Oakland.
He was considered smart and ACCURATE, able to read D’s, only limited by his arm strength. You can build around that.
Can’t build around inaccuracy and inability to read a D.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
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Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
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Dakota, speak for yourself man. My words from day1 is get to preseason and let the best QB win……….if that is Palmer great if it is Pryor great. My argument has always been they should develope Pryor and jnot just push him into a corner and ignore him………….period
December 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Hey Troll we saw the game, we don’t need endorsments from Vic Tafur or the double agent. BTW do you really think we are fooled anymore by your using other names……lol
Get over yourself…..
Now you can pretend to me again sick fool…
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You don’t need endorsements from Tafur? Didn’t say you did, granddaddy.
But posters above, including your fellow racist pos Misdick, alluded to Tafur’s comments, posted inaccurately.
Don’t worry about the source..worry about the message.
When the message exposes you as a moron?
What are your options? NOTHING. Sit there and take it because there is no option B.
Result? Pryor deserves a “chance” to try and “improve” to get up to the level of a backup qb.
That’s it, in a nutshell.
did you just beg for someone to post as you?
Someone would have to seriously dumb down to come across as you. I mean we are talking WAYYYY down, lol.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Why does it have to be 2 categories?…..A Lover / A Hater?
Could somebody be plesantly surprized with TP and NOT be all over his ball-sack?
Or be annoyed at CP’s untimely picks and not be labeled a Palmer HATER?
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Well, I can answer the Palmer part….
If you really have a issue with Palmer, youre a hater because its not Palmer that is the problem. He has probably less than 10 turnovers that were his own doing since suiting up in the silver and black. And to ignore that reeks of hater agenda.
Most of the INTs have been the result of bounced passes off of our own receivers hands and poor route running. That is a fact.
Hell, TP almost got hit with a pick with Marcel Reece did the same BS yesterday. And you can imagine that all the haters would be blaming TP for it. Just like they blame TP because DHB has zero ability to simply make a decent attempt at going up for the ball. It’s pretty sad when the CB who plays CB because he cant catch is the one making the remarkable catch and our WR is the one falling backwards for no reason and laying on his back while the ball is being picked off.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DA had the call on the previous staff. I think Reggie will have more of a say now that DA struck out.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RaidO
you’re dissing Palmer for not winning (though he took Bengals to playoffs) yet praise TP’s blocked-punt-turned TD when we..still…lost??
Pryor looked like a solid backup, just like Tebow.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
30 of 42 afc probowlers on playoff teams. translation = playoff teams have the talent – given coaches and players vote and see all teams
December 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
_________________
Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
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Dakota, speak for yourself man. My words from day1 is get to preseason and let the best QB win……….if that is Palmer great if it is Pryor great. My argument has always been they should develope Pryor and jnot just push him into a corner and ignore him………….period
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YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT?
“let the best qb win”?
YOU WEREN’T POSTING THAT DA WAS SETTING UP PRYOR TO FAIL? THAT IN THE LAST 4 WEEKS YOU HAVEN’T POSTED HOW CP SHOULD BE OUT, AND THAT TP SHOULD BE IN?
Liar.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
You see that? You are what your record says you are. We were 8-8 last year and we were 4-12 this year. No excuses!
At least it’s refreshing to see the coach own it and not make up all sorts of excuses like the apologists and spin doctors in here.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
What irritates me the most is people want Pryor to do what THEY want done with him instead of letting his play dictate what should be done with him.
Take all the QB’s to preseason and settle the argument THERE…………period
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I have to remind some fans this every single year.
Rich Gannon had a WINNING RECORD in the NFL before he came to Oakland.
He was considered smart and ACCURATE, able to read D’s, only limited by his arm strength. You can build around that.
Can’t build around inaccuracy and inability to read a D.
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I see youre peddling more mis-information. Pryor has no problems reading a defense. He said he knew everything SD was doing yesterday.
Try again with your agenda to discredit the kid.
He played great. Our receivers let him down, just like theyve been letting Palmer down. End of story.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
44.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Denise should set his sights on his next job, his tenure here is tenuous at best.
he ca throw Knapp under the bus all he wants he was the HC and we lost 12 games in 16. Whatever Knapp did DA endorsed entusiastically. He was on board with everything Knapp did and he should the first one to go with Knapp.
If Reggie wants to hitch his wagon to DA. Mark Davis should put Reggie on high alert, that from now on you are joined at the hip with your boy DA, and if he goes YOU go also. I would make Reggie either fish or cut bait. DA failed miserably Reggie hired DA after firing the best coach we have had in years.
Telling everyone “I want my own guy” you got your own guy and he sucks. You hired him and you fired Hue for failing going 1-4 down the stretch now you want keep your own guy who went 1-8. So now if he goes YOU go also…..period
^^^^^^^^^
Priesst. I rarely agree with you.
But I have been agreeing with your assessments about how weird and whack of a job did in his first year as HC.
If this cat DA gets 2 years, but Hue didn’t?
Just weird and stupid. Davis and McK better make up for this first year mess in hiring DA.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
You all have ben EXPOSED
PERIOD 
lol I love this place
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RaidO
you’re dissing Palmer for not winning (though he took Bengals to playoffs) yet praise TP’s blocked-punt-turned TD when we..still…lost??
Pryor looked like a solid backup, just like Tebow.
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Tony Romo took the cowboys to the playoffs before to. Both are career LOSERS
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
sounds like Palmer & McFadden will be Raiders in 2013.
same can be said of FA’s Wheeler & ShoNasty – unless they ask for a MONSTER contract
in other words, we’re STILL not rebuilding
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Not a full rebuild. But we are getting our cap in order.
Might as well keep around what talent we do have to try and sell some tickets no?
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
Getting those pieces does not require a “full rebuild” does it?
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Don’t forget more LBs especially ILB / MLB and a stud run blocker at Guard, and a pass protector at Tackle, and a true #2 CB and…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Kell’s imposter and the rest of the TP hater brigade has shown up. I got better stuff to do. Later gents.
Wake me up when youre ready to talk about how we get a WR, CB, and DE.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
60.eldiabs Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Question, why didn’t DA recognize how bad Knapp was like everyone else and shift on the fly like a real winner and drop that dummy………why because he’s an IDIOT
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Yup!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Duh preseason settles QB starter.
Duh the guy who has LED THE NFL in completion % will win.
Duh the guy with a career 50% NCAA and NFL completion % vs legit D’s will lose.
Some of us just don’t see the big deal.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I’m still waiting on Reggie’s reasoning behind rebuilding the offense and ST’s when they didn’t need to rebuild in those areas? Is that too much to ask?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Did you read that bulls hit from Denise Allen?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RaidO
and 99 out of 100 people (except you) would take Romo over Pryor every single time.
your point?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Rudegruden
Reggie let his HC be a head coach – pick his assistants, pick the scheme.
He doesn’t have to defend why he didn’t overstep his boundaries his first season.
He’ll likely take a more active role this time.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Duh preseason settles QB starter.
Duh the guy who has LED THE NFL in completion % will win.
Duh the guy with a career 50% NCAA and NFL completion % vs legit D’s will lose.
Some of us just don’t see the big deal.
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Yep.some of are dumb as Hell?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
44.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Denise should set his sights on his next job, his tenure here is tenuous at best.
he ca throw Knapp under the bus all he wants he was the HC and we lost 12 games in 16. Whatever Knapp did DA endorsed entusiastically. He was on board with everything Knapp did and he should the first one to go with Knapp.
If Reggie wants to hitch his wagon to DA. Mark Davis should put Reggie on high alert, that from now on you are joined at the hip with your boy DA, and if he goes YOU go also. I would make Reggie either fish or cut bait. DA failed miserably Reggie hired DA after firing the best coach we have had in years.
Telling everyone “I want my own guy” you got your own guy and he sucks. You hired him and you fired Hue for failing going 1-4 down the stretch now you want keep your own guy who went 1-8. So now if he goes YOU go also…..period
^^^^^^^^^
Priesst. I rarely agree with you.
But I have been agreeing with your assessments about how weird and whack of a job did in his first year as HC.
If this cat DA gets 2 years, but Hue didn’t?
Just weird and stupid. Davis and McK better make up for this first year mess in hiring DA.
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I agree as well. DA is all on Reggie. If DA is a disaster again next year, then they both need to go. What we have feared with Reggie completely blowing up the coaching staff and not really having a plan to replace everybody is coming true. He wanted his “own” guys and they have shown they can’t perform. Another year of this and they need to go.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
There’s just so many Agenda charged statements that are like….
“That’s extreme”….You know what I mean?
I like Palmer a Ton, and I hope he starts next year. I happen to like Pryor too. I hope he can be a part of this team moving forward. But I can’t honestly say, I’m a lover or hater of either of these guys, and if I like one MORE than the other, it doesn’t mean I HATE the other one on the same token. WTF?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really? Seriously?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Rudegruden
Reggie let his HC be a head coach – pick his assistants, pick the scheme.
He doesn’t have to defend why he didn’t overstep his boundaries his first season.
He’ll likely take a more active role this time.
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Agreed, but didn’t reggie ask the question “who do you plan on bringing in as coordinators?” Once Allen said lets fire our ST coach and bring in Knapp as an OC, red flags should have been raised. That is on reggie to ask the correct questions and hire someone who has a legit plan.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
“Listen, at the end the day, you are who you are,”
And at the end of the day you are still the guy who after getting smacked around by the Broncos, ran up to John Fox and smiled like a little school girl. You saved your job for about 5 or 6 more games. After you get out coached becuase you can’t make half-time adjustments you will be out on your a$$.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Ok, Priest, I’ll try and post as you.
“hey yous suckas, TP is the next coming of Vince Young, who is better than Cutler..period. We’s dont cares bout no 7 on da wonderlik, cuz 7 is a lucky # in Rosies Bar. Da is jealous cuz TP has cool shoes”
How’s tht?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Krapp is fired just like I said he would be since day 1. have fun eating that crow.. oh I forgot you’re all flip flop your opinions or change your names… well enjoy that then
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
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Sure was, except for the 17 people who were retained…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really? Seriously? You’re schittin me?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
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I think it became obvious towards the end of the game, (after Pryor tried everybody on the field) that he trusted Streater. He started going to him more and more; with success.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Wow tits really changed his tune.. I guess that’s what happens when the GM says or else..
December 31st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really? Seriously? You’re schittin me? Yes?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
63.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
_________________
Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
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Dakota, speak for yourself man. My words from day1 is get to preseason and let the best QB win……….if that is Palmer great if it is Pryor great. My argument has always been they should develope Pryor and jnot just push him into a corner and ignore him………….period
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Sure, I can let you speak for yourself:
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
3 TD’s 2 passing and 1 pick for whatever yards but it was pretty much what I expected and more. Tell me you don’t want this kid at QB and I’ll call you NUTS!!
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
In my we probably should’ve won this game even with the drops and bad plays. It shows me this team with some much better leadership would be a much better team.
If they can get Pryor ready enough in the offseason I could easily see Pryor starting next year.
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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This isn’t as crazy as some might want to think. Palmers play tailed off badly this year we couldn’t score TD’s so if this kid can jump off the toilet and score TD’s why not start him?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
No, seriously, HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really? Seriously? You’re schittin me? Yes?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Am I dreaming No, seriously, HIS WHOLE COACHING STAFF WAS FIRED?
No really? Seriously? You’re schittin me? Yes?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
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I honestly think the issues with QB’s and WR’s was just let go today………a new OC worth his salt can solve 90% of those issues.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Happy New Year, peeps. seriously.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
44.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Denise should set his sights on his next job, his tenure here is tenuous at best.
he ca throw Knapp under the bus all he wants he was the HC and we lost 12 games in 16. Whatever Knapp did DA endorsed entusiastically. He was on board with everything Knapp did and he should the first one to go with Knapp.
If Reggie wants to hitch his wagon to DA. Mark Davis should put Reggie on high alert, that from now on you are joined at the hip with your boy DA, and if he goes YOU go also. I would make Reggie either fish or cut bait. DA failed miserably Reggie hired DA after firing the best coach we have had in years.
Telling everyone “I want my own guy” you got your own guy and he sucks. You hired him and you fired Hue for failing going 1-4 down the stretch now you want keep your own guy who went 1-8. So now if he goes YOU go also…..period
^^^^^^^^^
Priesst. I rarely agree with you.
But I have been agreeing with your assessments about how weird and whack of a job did in his first year as HC.
If this cat DA gets 2 years, but Hue didn’t?
Just weird and stupid. Davis and McK better make up for this first year mess in hiring DA.
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Yes, Hue was best coach we had since at least Gruden and IMO was reminiscent of John
Madden in demeanor and game day coaching skills
December 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Fùck the krapp supporters!! Bust out the week 1 fire krapp petition so we can dance around his carcass singing dink dunk the bìtch is dead!!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Pryor’s escapability can be an incredible asset for us. Hope they continue working hard on his footwork and passing.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Why would former coaches prefer being studio “analysts” instead of becoming legendary coaches like the classics?
TV pays off.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Well DA did have the defense looking pretty good against some of the worse teams in the league. Too bad his vaulted defensive schemes allowed 169 points in 4 games midseason.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
DA had the call on the previous staff. I think Reggie will have more of a say now that DA struck out.
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Interesting theory. I’d buy into that
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
At best next year we go 8-8, by a miracle we could squeeze out 10 games if a lot of things go right.
Carson is what he is, a stat filling QB who throws timely picks that cost us games. I guess we roll into next year with TP as the #2 but if Carson continues to throw picks early in the season, it’s time to go all in with TP6.
I mean the dude had like 3 days to practice, played in some adverse weather, WR dropping balls and knapp as his OC.
The glass is half full with TP.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
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I honestly think the issues with QB’s and WR’s was just let go today………a new OC worth his salt can solve 90% of those issues.
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I won’t disagree with this. There was an incredible drop off from last year. If not for the numbers and names on their jerseys, I would not be able to tell those were the same guys from last year.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
I guess Mark went off.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Pryor’s escapability can be an incredible asset for us. Hope they continue working hard on his footwork and passing.
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And that’s key right there. That last TD to Moore, prolly wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t extend the play with his legs. And that Aweful scramble where he reversed field twice and went 15 yards backward was almost redeemed, if DMO could have brought it down.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Pryor has leader written across his forehead too. Like the way he composed himself. The antithesis of Russell.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Special teams was better last year, too. We converted some fakes, but our punt coverage improved this year.
Tradeable: Lechler we have a replacement ready, we should be able to recoup the #5 we gave up for Aaron Curry
December 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
They fired Denise’s whole staff, but kept him?
CASTRATION
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
While im at it.. really impressed with that Christopher Bilikidi kid. Looks like he can become something. Sky is the limit for him too
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
115.The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Pryor has leader written across his forehead too. Like the way he composed himself. The antithesis of Russell.
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Too bad we can’t give Pryor Russell’s abilities.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Christos@montechristo96
Enjoy my off season with the fams n work like I’ve never done before.
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Pryor has leader written across his forehead too. Like the way he composed himself. The antithesis of Russell.
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How bout tearing Goodson away from Spikes and almost threw him to the ground….Then got right up in his face and was clapping his hands.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I still think Carson needs to restructure so we can spread some of that money around.
We need a FA top flight receiver, draft a top DE, cover corner. Get DMAC and Dwow back to where they were under Hue.
Sorry DHB, your time is over, Streater takes your spot
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Well DA did have the defense looking pretty good against some of the worse teams in the league. Too bad his vaulted defensive schemes allowed 169 points in 4 games midseason.
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You don’t think the level of player talent had anything to do with that?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Chris Hansen is reporting Saints OL coach Aaron Kromer or QB coach Joe Lombardi could be in the mix for OC. Allen knows both of them from his Saints days.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I wouldnt want Pryor with russell abilities. I want the best Pryor that could be.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I don’t know, but I think Mark went berserk.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Bilukidi is faster than he LOOKS like he should be. Gets in the ruckous quite a bit.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
2romes Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Lo Neal is a straight talker and he stated DA needed to find himself as the HC of the Raiders. I see do not see his worth to the Raiders unless he has a different approach on how he evaluates a team. People that say Pryor is not worth any valve now have to explain why Dennis Allen how thinks differently about Pryor’s ability. Now, Allen says he is not mindset to any one particular offense. Well good because he wasted a season to figure that out. Eventually he may learn something but I think he is a little slow. Instead of admitting he should have keep the offense that had success he stated he did not want to look back at what he done to destroy it. That is not addressing the problem head on. I get the feeling from the presser everyone made mistake except for Reggie and Dennis Allen. Yes lets move on from every mistake me and Reggie made and can everyone else.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Special teams was better last year, too. We converted some fakes, but our punt coverage improved this year.
Tradeable: Lechler we have a replacement ready, we should be able to recoup the #5 we gave up for Aaron Curry
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Lechler’s a UFA this offseason. Can’t trade him.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Pryor’s escapability can be an incredible asset for us. Hope they continue working hard on his footwork and passing.
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And that’s key right there. That last TD to Moore, prolly wouldn’t have happened if he didn’t extend the play with his legs. And that Aweful scramble where he reversed field twice and went 15 yards backward was almost redeemed, if DMO could have brought it down.
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Exactly, ghost. That’s what some here overlook. I like Palmer, but that play is dead if not for Pryor’s legs. So it was a duck? A duck that was good for 6!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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Exactly, ghost. That’s what some here overlook. I like Palmer, but that play is dead if not for Pryor’s legs. So it was a duck? A duck that was good for 6!!!
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Yeah NO SH*T…….So what it didn’t “LOOK” fuc*in pretty…..But it was a Gawd Damned Touchdown ALRIGHT?????
December 31st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Don’t see a good we to recoup the 2nd rounder unless we trade pretty far down in the draft, which usually gets you two bums vs 1 good player
Maybe we can trade Huff, never was a big fan if him. He competed at CB but he still gives up slants on trailers to the inside for big yardage. I think teams left him alone because the other side was so easy
December 31st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
115.The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Pryor has leader written across his forehead too. Like the way he composed himself. The antithesis of Russell.
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Too bad we can’t give Pryor Russell’s abilities.
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Just his arm. I’d take that. But keep Pryor’s head, heart, legs, and build.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
With Knapp gone, do they try to fit DMAC into your hole
December 31st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
With Knapp gone, do they try to fit DMAC into your hole, JFB ?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Please NO SAINTS ASSISTANTS
December 31st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Please NO SAINTS ASSISTANTS
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Why not?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
B@BHOAK510
The other thing about Pryor, while everyone else signed out of their car TP took the time to actually get out of his car to greet the fans
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
December 31st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Chris Hansen is reporting Saints OL coach Aaron Kromer or QB coach Joe Lombardi could be in the mix for OC. Allen knows both of them from his Saints days.
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That could be interesting, don’t know how they would handle an offense without the super accurate and smart Drew Bree’s in other words how much of their offense is due to. Design and scheme and how much is it the QB? Isn’t their running game pretty weak
December 31st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
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Why not?
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Will Knapp be able them something when he doesnt agree or they his friends??
December 31st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
How old is Al Saunders
December 31st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
B@BHOAK510
The other thing about Pryor, while everyone else signed out of their car TP took the time to actually get out of his car to greet the fans
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
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Ha ha TP is trying to take over.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Ha ha TP is trying to take over.
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Gotta admire the young mans hustle.. haha The kid gots BIG DREAMS! GOALS!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Well DA did have the defense looking pretty good against some of the worse teams in the league. Too bad his vaulted defensive schemes allowed 169 points in 4 games midseason.
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You don’t think the level of player talent had anything to do with that?
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I do think talent level has something to do with it. That is why I mentioned the untalented teams that DA’s defense looked good against.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
115.The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Pryor has leader written across his forehead too. Like the way he composed himself. The antithesis of Russell.
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Too bad we can’t give Pryor Russell’s abilities.
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This MFer thinks Good QBs grow on trees. SMH
TP will continue to develop and get better. It’s called developing talent.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Reggie should have recognized the talents and abilities of Hue Jack, reigned him in like an organizational leader, and we would not be 4-12.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
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Exactly, ghost. That’s what some here overlook. I like Palmer, but that play is dead if not for Pryor’s legs. So it was a duck? A duck that was good for 6!!!
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Yeah NO SH*T…….So what it didn’t “LOOK” fuc*in pretty…..But it was a Gawd Damned Touchdown ALRIGHT?????
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No doubt. I’ll take an ugly duck touchdown over a pretty int game stopper any day.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
So where will Knapp take his impressive résumé? Lol. After all, he’s responsible for the Texans offensive success according to his own comments. Smug SOB!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Excuse me, but the only reason I can see any RAIDER talking about Tebow is…they want him in Oakland? Why else does his name arise, over and over, by the same football experts on this blog?
Tebow is the antithesis of a Raider…period. A tight end, maybe, with too big of an ego to settle for that.
Then we got this god thing, on the field. Thank you god for completing that pass for me? Please, any real football fan (Xtian or not) wants to upchuck.
Except for the Xperts on here.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Some players are ready to play (Luck, RG3, etc..) and others need time to develop like Brees, Gannon, etc…
He was a rookie last year with TC, a 5 game suspension, and no QB coach.
Most ignorant fans in the NFL!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Great moves .. ST gave a high school team performance and effort ever game this year …Oline took a major setback, Receivers & Backs went from being somewhat of a respectable unit to a bunch of droids, Line backers still showed lack of passion + promise .. Finally Knapp’s red zone & 3rd down play calling was horrific. .. Hopefully Reggie can convince most of his overpaid FA to take that much needed paycut/restructure of contracts , make some draft day trades, bring in some talented FA … Let’s get to work Reggie …Go Raiders!!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
chan gaily from bills looks promissing. getting these oc’s could be a problem though due to paying them what it would take to get them.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
At least we have some fodder for the offseason.
I’m out.
Be good.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I told you people Knapp will be fired, but I think Reggie and DA made a mistake by not firing him earlier.
Another team that struggled to score with Knapp. Are you going to blame the talent? lol
December 31st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
enough with DA hiring hisgolfing buddies already…
December 31st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
With Knapp gone, do they try to fit DMAC’ assz into your hole?
December 31st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
100.Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
63.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
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Many people are saying it. Jhill, Priesttj, KK Mistic, and all of his other personalities too lol
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Dakota, speak for yourself man. My words from day1 is get to preseason and let the best QB win……….if that is Palmer great if it is Pryor great. My argument has always been they should develope Pryor and jnot just push him into a corner and ignore him………….period
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Sure, I can let you speak for yourself:
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
3 TD’s 2 passing and 1 pick for whatever yards but it was pretty much what I expected and more. Tell me you don’t want this kid at QB and I’ll call you NUTS!!
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
In my we probably should’ve won this game even with the drops and bad plays. It shows me this team with some much better leadership would be a much better team.
If they can get Pryor ready enough in the offseason I could easily see Pryor starting next year.
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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This isn’t as crazy as some might want to think. Palmers play tailed off badly this year we couldn’t score TD’s so if this kid can jump off the toilet and score TD’s why not start him?
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Hmm….after further investigation.
We need to see how CP does with an actual running game behing him and a REAL OC/playcaller.
Another reason why the firing of Hue was premature.
December 31st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Rod Woodson just said on 95.7 the game that TERRELLE PRYOR can be a tremendous asset to the football team.
its a coaches job to teach and get your best PLAYMAKERS on the field regardless. Raiders had had trouble scoring all season even from the 2 yard line and he said Pryor scored 3 x in one game.
The other dj Chris Townsend said he has been in the lockeroom and PRYOR is actually bigger then Palmer and pryor was running yesterday like it was a pop warner game guys couldnt bring him down.
WOODSON said KNAPP should have given Pryor 7 plays to learn and know like the back of his hand at the beginning of the season and that they would use him on goaline and Red Zone siuations this year. They did try doing it the last 3 weeks but by then it was to late.
Said they need to give PRYOR THE BALL more next season. Rod woodson said Pryor is DYNAMIC
December 31st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I told you people when Knapp was hired, this would be his last shot as an OC/Playcaller in the NFL.
He will never call plays in this league again.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:58 pm
With Knapp gone, do you think they will try to fit DMAC’ assz into your hole?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:02 pm
JFB, With Knapp gone, do you think they will try to fit DMAC’ assz into your hole?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:02 pm
158.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Rod Woodson just said on 95.7 the game that TERRELLE PRYOR can be a tremendous asset to the football team.
its a coaches job to teach and get your best PLAYMAKERS on the field regardless. Raiders had had trouble scoring all season even from the 2 yard line and he said Pryor scored 3 x in one game.
The other dj Chris Townsend said he has been in the lockeroom and PRYOR is actually bigger then Palmer and pryor was running yesterday like it was a pop warner game guys couldnt bring him down.
WOODSON said KNAPP should have given Pryor 7 plays to learn and know like the back of his hand at the beginning of the season and that they would use him on goaline and Red Zone siuations this year. They did try doing it the last 3 weeks but by then it was to late.
Said they need to give PRYOR THE BALL more next season. Rod woodson said Pryor is DYNAMIC
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Hence why that POS crap Knapp is not here.
DA is lucky he is still here as well.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:03 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I do not know why but that was the first press conference that I did not want to slap DA’s face off. Must have something to do with Knapp being fired.
I think DA has a ton of work to do on player relations and attitude but WTF do I know. He could still be fired.
Just wait and see I guess.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 30th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Why????? Raiders are rebuilding right?? Why waste $17 mil and another year on Palmer? It’s time to move on. If they kept Palmer next year and he keeps playing average TP goes in anyways. Use that $17 mil on some players.
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You talk, sometimes, like you know what you are saying. Then…here you are, spouting nonsense. The article sez Palmer is due 13 Mill, AND if we dump him, we take a BIG cap hit. You aware of that, when you spew forth? Just asking…
December 31st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
dont forget Woodson was on Raiders staff last year and said Pryor should be on the field some way. Pryor just turned 23 yrs Old and he can run like a deer
December 31st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I had fun watching Pryor play yesterday. That was encouraging. And I will party contendly knowing I won’t have to watch another game with Gregg Knapp calling the plays. Outstanding…
December 31st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Also one more thing Rod woodson said which i agree with. The only way u get a young player ready is by playing him.. give hims 8-10 plays at the beginning of year.
U just dont stick him on the bench. Pryor was not even activated for like 12 weeks. Said an OC has to think outta the box. obviously KNAPP didnt do that
December 31st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
CP won’t be going anywhere until after the 2014 season if anything, unless some team wants to trade a 2nd and a 5th rounder for him and eat his contract.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
KK hitting the sauce kinda early today. sad…
December 31st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The debate to play TP is the same debate I had with Bruce.
Heart of a Lion member, who is a hard-worker, rah-rah guy, with a noodle arm and questionable accuracy.
A move to Al Saunders sounds like much more of a move for Carson Palmer than Terrelle Pryor.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
JLofty Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I had fun watching Pryor play yesterday. That was encouraging. And I will party contendly knowing I won’t have to watch another game with Gregg Knapp calling the plays. Outstanding
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It was fun to watch him. Gotta love his attitude. He’s not going to give up. His throws wil get better as his confidence grows.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I see no reason to bring back Palmer.
We can go 6-10 without him, and develop TP and a draft pick.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I am not hating on Pryor, I have simply never seen him as a competent passing QB. Nothing looked different to me yesterday that would cause me to change my mind. Rainbows. That can work if you are super accurate and have good WRs…
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My feelings exactly. Not hating, I wanted him to be Donovan Mcnabb out there. But the NFL quality talent just is not there. His balls might have worked in college but not at this level. And now that defenses know that he throws high arching balloons, DC’s will sit in zones, break on that balloon and pick it almost every time.
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I don’t think they’ll pick it every time. Half the time they’ll use the opportunity to tee off on the helpless WR that is waiting for the ball to come out of orbit.
On the plus side, at least you are setting the bar right. McNabb was one of the least accurate starters of his era. For every good play he made, he had another play where he was missing tagets and killing drives.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
I see no reason to bring back Palmer.
We can go 6-10 without him, and develop TP and a draft pick.
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Agree 100%. Except we take a big cap hit if we let him walk. Trading Palmer should be a priority, no doubt.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
18.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
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Can he lead from the TE/WR position? Cuz that is the only place he will be starting barring injury.
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Nope.
TEs and WRs never lead teams.
Leadership positions are QB, MLB, OLB, and DE
I havent really seen it done from any other position.
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Then you must be too young to remember guys like Tim Brown, who was not just the leader but he was the voice of the Raiders for a decade. Jerry Rice was a veteran leader when he came over, not just for showing how to win but also how to work in the offseason. He took numerous young Raiders under his wing to run his famous conditioning routine.
Perhaps you don’t remember Michael Irvin, a keystone of leadership on the championship Dallas teams?
You want other positions? Charles Woodson as a DB is a clear and vocal leader. Hell, Lechler is considered one of the key leaders in the Raiders lockerroom.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:21 pm
QB is too important of a position to worry about cap hits if they are underperforming.
A QB’s job to “perform” is to win ballgames, whether it is his fault entirely or not.
Same thing on the positive/flip side of it. You ruin your cap flexibility for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, and figure it out.
Can Carson
December 31st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Why no try to trade him to get at least our 2nd rounder back?
Minnesota, Arizona, would take a stab at Carson.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
So youse cross posting mfkrs, think you can be like me??.??.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Hire Carson Palmer as qb coach for 5 million a year!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:21 pm
QB is too important of a position to worry about cap hits if they are underperforming.
A QB’s job to “perform” is to win ballgames, whether it is his fault entirely or not.
Same thing on the positive/flip side of it. You ruin your cap flexibility for Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, and figure it out.
Can Carson
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Yeah, of course, after you’ve been on his nuts all year
You’re soooooooooo insightful
December 31st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Allen should be fired but if he has any power to pick another coordinator we are doomed as a franchise.people talk about continuity that only works when you our getting better not worst.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Happy New Year.
I’m glad to see the Organization wasted little time in making the obvious cuts.
If we are a couple of years away from doing anything significant, look into trading Palmer and let TP run with it.
Problem is TP seems to lean on Palmer Heavily.
I don’t think TP is noodle armed per se, rather He chooses to loft passes at times He should be zipping it.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Reggie and DA’s first year was focused on their agendas rather than focusing on the established Raider team.Focused on how they can change things rather than improving player performances. Evaluating a NFL team starts first with understanding the strengths of every player before trying to replace or change them. If the majority of the team has more weaknesses than strengths either convert your plans to their strengths or sandblast the team starting with dealing away every high priced player to start the rebuild. DO NOT CREATE WORTHLESS TRASH OUT OF HIGH PRICED PLAYERS.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
1. Let DA do it by himself again?
2. Have DA suggest potential coaches and have Reggie make the choice?
3. Have Reggie give DA names of coordinator/coaches and DA decides?
Don’t feel comfortable with DA winging it by himself and repeat 2012. However, would be nice to have someone he can work with.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
103.Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
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I honestly think the issues with QB’s and WR’s was just let go today………a new OC worth his salt can solve 90% of those issues.
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What you saw was receivers and a young QB working with a limited playbook. Nothing got solved in that regard at all, although I agree that a new OC can help. Having WRs that can run the correct route and actually catch the ball would help also.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
JFB , you had Knapp and Romney. Whatup?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Raider Nation’s belated Christmas presents:
OC-Knapp fired as head coach, with STC-Hoffman fired;
OL coach Pollack fired as well.
Reggie and Dennis are the right men for the Raiders’ return to glory.
This is what the first time in years that a head coach is returning after a full season as head coach; the Raiders needed this.
I truly think Dennis has learned more than we realized from his decisions that did not lead to victories.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I’ve been on Carson’s nuts all year?
Where was I for this?
Hell, I was a bigger supporter of Knapp than Palmer, lol.
Carson has been on my ish list since the Tampa game.
Too much quit in him!!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
you guys seem to agree here knapp was responsible offensive woes and particulary DMAC performance. yet you think Palmer cant perform????
crack smokin racist or stupiiiiid?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Hell, I have been advocating trading him to the Jets for almost two months now.
I would rather keep TP and draft a rookie (Aaron Murray or Landry Jones if I had my choice).
December 31st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Minnesota has Ponder who just led them to a WC; they will not trade for Palmer unless he is willing to take a ten million dollar paycut and accept being a backup.
AZ maybe, but they got burned in the Kolb trade; I expect then to draft a qb in one of their first or second round picks.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
JFB , You had Knapp and Romney. Whatup?
Is that why you moved from Vegas.?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
184.Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
1. Let DA do it by himself again?
2. Have DA suggest potential coaches and have Reggie make the choice?
3. Have Reggie give DA names of coordinator/coaches and DA decides?
Don’t feel comfortable with DA winging it by himself and repeat 2012. However, would be nice to have someone he can work with.
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DA should NOT be allowed to hire his own OC.
He has proven he is not capable, by hiring an unqualified buddy of his in Knapp
McK and DA should both interview the candidates and hire the best OC who will bring what Hue brought as a play caller and to get the power run game going. The new OC should also be able to have plays/packages specifically designed for TP as well.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Our idiot coach still doesn’t realize or want to admit the zbs is not for this team that is scary.I agree with the person that said Reggie and Allen have their own agenda,the 1st move they made was change the lifetime slogan,seems they are more worried about getting credit for winning than winning.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
JFB, The hit Palmer took that broke His ribs told me He’s not a quitter.
He saw that coming and stood in and threw the ball.
And then got demolished.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:39 pm
CP needs to have a solid running game behind him and a LEGIT OC working with him.
He did not have that this past year.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:39 pm
New York is already 17 million committed to Sanchez (all guarantted); they cannot afford Palmer.
I would rather have Palmer than Sanchez.
I would rather have Tebow than either of those two.
In fact, Raiders should sign both Vick & Tebow to compete with Pryor for the starting QB position.
All three are very similar, in that their strength is running the football with great success; passing skills eratic, but strong arms.
Raiders would never need to change their offensive system if anyone gets injured.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
184.Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
1. Let DA do it by himself again?
2. Have DA suggest potential coaches and have Reggie make the choice?
3. Have Reggie give DA names of coordinator/coaches and DA decides?
Don’t feel comfortable with DA winging it by himself and repeat 2012. However, would be nice to have someone he can work with.
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DA should NOT be allowed to hire his own OC.
He has proven he is not capable, by hiring an unqualified buddy of his in Knapp
McK and DA should both interview the candidates and hire the best OC who will bring what Hue brought as a play caller and to get the power run game going. The new OC should also be able to have plays/packages specifically designed for TP as well.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Theghostronin79 Says: December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Why does it have to be 2 categories?…..A Lover / A Hater?Could somebody be plesantly surprized with TP and NOT be all over his ball-sack?Or be annoyed at CP’s untimely picks and not be labeled a Palmer HATER?
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That type of common sense is generally frowned upon in a msg board like this
December 31st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
1. Let DA do it by himself again?
2. Have DA suggest potential coaches and have Reggie make the choice?
3. Have Reggie give DA names of coordinator/coaches and DA decides?
Don’t feel comfortable with DA winging it by himself and repeat 2012. However, would be nice to have someone he can work with.
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Reggie needs to make the choice because his rep is riding on the outcome of next season too.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
JFB , you had Knapp and Romney. Is that why you moved from Vegas to Alburgue ?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaiderDogg….sorry your Warriors still can’t beat my Lakers!
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hahaha yeah it looks like the W’s are one of the few teams that the Lakers can actually beat this year! The Warriors are looking good this year, been pretty pleased with their progress.
How have you been, how’s fatherhood been treating you? My son has been killing on the hardwood, not bad for 1st grade! In his team pic he wore his dad’s old Warriors headband and matching sweatbands. Kid’s a throwback!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Coach Allen admitted he is not tied to the ZBS; he has learned the priority is to win the next game on the schedule.
Vehldeer & Wisniewski will be able to return to their pro-bowl form; both will be all-pro next season.
Raiders’ OLine Next season will be:
Vehldeer Nix Wisniewski Bergstrom Barnes;
possibly a new center, with Wiz returning to LG, Nix to RG, and Bergstrom to RT.
Knockem on their ass all day and all night.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
CP will restructure down his contract again in the off season whether he is traded or not.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
would not be a bit surprised if Gruden is the OC for the Raiders in 2014…
either one of them
December 31st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I’ve been on Carson’s nuts all year?
Where was I for this?
Hell, I was a bigger supporter of Knapp than Palmer, lol.
Carson has been on my ish list since the Tampa game.
Too much quit in him!!!!
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If I was the QB of that offense, I would quit to. Shoot, I would show up drunk.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Chan Gailey for OC might be a good look
December 31st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Raiders officially fired Knapp and Hoffman; sad day for their families; excellent day for the Raiders!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Palmer isn’t going anywhere. It’s a fact. It’s funny cuz I really like Pryor. Seems like a great young man and a winner. But he has no hope of being a good qb in the nfl. Fantastic athletic ability. Poor passer. Guys on here keep talking about they will take rainbow Tds any day. U miss the point. 9 games out of 10, those rainbows aren’t Tds. They’re picks. Does anyone believe he could ever pass for 4k yards and 22 Tds in 14 games? We know he sucks at passing but he’s an amazing athlete and good guy. Why not wr? Punt returner? Don’t u think he could excel there? Imagine Palmer throwing to him. Draft a young real qb and put this kid where he can succeed.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
This is KK’s greatest meltdown ever and he has had some hella meltdowns. I bet the water got shut off agsain. Gotta pay those bills
December 31st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell is that the real, original KK? Damn it has been a long time!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Lovie Smith as LB coach would be an excellent move.
He just might like to have a job wherein he remains in the NFL where he can remain prepared for another HC position.
raiders need to begin hiring some big name coaches tobring credibilty to their organization.
That Reggie retained Allen brings a great deal of credibility to the Raiders’ organization already;
That Dennis fired Knapp, Hoffman, and others brings credibility to his position
December 31st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
JFB , you had Knapp and Romney. Is that why you moved from Vegas to Alburgue ?
Is that why you fled Vegas?
December 31st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Lovie Smith has already been contacted to interview for an HC position with 4 different teams. My guess is LB Coach isn’t a position that he would pursue.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
207.JONTRAIN Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Chan Gailey for OC might be a good look
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Chan wouldn’t be too bad as OC. He is like Norv…good OC, not a good HC.
He will know how to get DMC and Reece involved more as well as the TE’s and WR’s.
He also worked well with getting Fred Jackson and Spiller going.
His problem was having a mediocre QB like Fitz as his QB.
Chan likes to mix it up on offense and I think he would definitely have a package of plays ready for TP.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Palmer isn’t going anywhere. It’s a fact. It’s funny cuz I really like Pryor. Seems like a great young man and a winner. But he has no hope of being a good qb in the nfl. Fantastic athletic ability. Poor passer. Guys on here keep talking about they will take rainbow Tds any day. U miss the point. 9 games out of 10, those rainbows aren’t Tds. They’re picks. Does anyone believe he could ever pass for 4k yards and 22 Tds in 14 games? We know he sucks at passing but he’s an amazing athlete and good guy. Why not wr? Punt returner? Don’t u think he could excel there? Imagine Palmer throwing to him. Draft a young real qb and put this kid where he can succeed.
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Well, after today it obvious CP will be riding out his contract in Oakland. Good.
Next, well see what they do with TP. I’ve never seen such a big guy with huge noodle for an arm. Boggles the mind. That won’t fly for a whole season, no way. Not happening and the coaches know it. Sh-t , anyone can see it.
With that said, the dude needs to get with trainers and eat his weaties. But changing our motion and mechanics at this point in ones life can be very difficult. CP needs to help him out, anyone needs to help him. Maybe he can hang with Kap in the offseason.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
212.RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Lovie Smith as LB coach would be an excellent move.
He just might like to have a job wherein he remains in the NFL where he can remain prepared for another HC position.
raiders need to begin hiring some big name coaches tobring credibilty to their organization.
That Reggie retained Allen brings a great deal of credibility to the Raiders’ organization already;
That Dennis fired Knapp, Hoffman, and others brings credibility to his position
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Lovie is not going be a LB coach.
He will be a HC again or DC if anything.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
JFB , you had Knapp and Romney. YIs that why you moved from Vegas to Alburgue ?
Is that why you fled Vegas?
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I’m, Fukien with you bro, BIG TIME
Okay, I’ve got to go to another party
December 31st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Btw, we can’t trade Palmer. Big cap hit apparently. And I don’t think we will trade DMc either.
But we will trade green beanie. And I think Moore could be dealt. Streater and criner look good and Moore has some cache. But his attitude sucks. Also, I think bergs trim may be traded. He was drafted to be a zbs guard. But nix is more of a mauler. Could see brisiel being released along with knapp and pollack. Seymour prolly not resigned but kelly may be back. Hard to go with Bryant and bulukidi. Not sure shaughnessy will be pursued. Beat out by carter. Adams and Ross fit somewhere. Huff could hit the bricks.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
WHERE LOVIE SMITH GOES,BRIAN URLACHER MAY FOLLOW..
December 31st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
This is KK’s greatest meltdown ever and he has had some hella meltdowns. I bet the water got shut off agsain. Gotta pay those bills
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Geez. I leave, and the real KK melts down, and misses me? lol.
you know, it’s hard to come across as Kell the Snitch. I type things, read it, and erase it because I know it’s a dead giveaway I’m not the Snitch.
You know how I can tell?
I make sense.
Kell the Snitch? Nappypoo time.
December 31st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Dogg,
What up Bro?
Been a hot minute
December 31st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
holy crap it’s B!! What up old schooler! Rap Is A Joke bruh!
December 31st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
JFB
How are you my friend? I have been reading but not contributing for a very long time, today i jumped back in.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
JFB, The hit Palmer took that broke His ribs told me He’s not a quitter.
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True, showed he has lost his pocket presence though.
That was 3rd and 1. He had a running lane maybe, he had an open enough D-Mac in the flat.
He was “saved” from another bone-headed turnover by a reckless defender.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Raiders officially fired Knapp and Hoffman; sad day for their families; excellent day for the Raiders!
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Who remembers how Al fired White?
CHRISTMAS EVE. Zero reason to not wait until after Christmas. None at all. Did it Christmas Eve. Cold stuff, Al..way to ruin the guys Christmas.
Hey, you’re Al. When did you ever give a damn about anybody not named Al Davis?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Picked an odd to jump back in the fray, lol.
Still in Oregon?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
They fired Denise’s whole staff, but kept him?
CASTRATION
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Ouch!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Let’s go Lobo’s!!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Heading off to Safeway. Hoping to run across some players or “former” coaches in the parking lot. Wish me luck.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
For those thinking the Raiders should get rid of Palmer pleae understand there are Salary Cap reasons why that is almost impossible to do. The Cap hit is too large to trade or cut Palmer, so he will be on the team next season and likely the starter. Pryor should enough to warrant further development and should jump up to the back up spot. Lets not get carried away over yesterday, he needs to improve his accurracy before he can be considered anything more than a backup. He threw several bad balls yesterday and a few others that lead receivers into really bad hits. The other issue too many people continue to forget is that Salary Cap issues were the major reason for a lack of talent. McKenzie had to slice over 20 – 30 million just to make the cap because of bad contracts and the Palmer trade. You add the injuries to the starting CBs, Ford and Seymour and this team had far less talent to work with. Sure Dennis Allen made some mistakes but no one was going to take this talent to playoffs, let see how much he grows. There have been several super bowl coaches that have started out just as poorly. And by the way Gruden had 3 losing seasons in Tampa including 4 and 5 wins seasons. One of the reasons why the team has been so bad for so long is because we haven’t taken the time to rebuild and grow. Let’s give McKenzie and Allen time to improve the talent, improve the culture. The team has been terrible for over a decade that’s not going to change overnight or in one season.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
How about Pryor in the kordell Stewart-slash role? Some wr. Some punt returner. We will pretend that he’s still in the mix at qb. In that role, he could be fantastic.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/clark-judge/21478885/wheres-the-most-attractive-head-coaching-opening-you-can-find-it-here
Interesting insights….
December 31st, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Marcel Reece comin’ up on 95.7 with Rod Woodson …
December 31st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Can’t wait til next year.Pryor will be the first Raider in camp.He’s amped up and Im glad for him.He will prove the nay sayers wrong.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
DA weaseled his way out of saying Zone blocking failed. lets get some honest answers from the guy before we put trust in him. The culture change stuff. Have you noticed an increased interest now that there is a so called open media with the Raiders ORG. Notice an increase in Raider happy talk time on ESPN? Man, Reggie should of focused on Raider football personnel and nothing else and they would have gotten better production from their players.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Marcel Reece comin’ up on 95.7 with Rod Woodson …
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I know you heard what Rod said about Pryor an hour ago.
don’t lie. What did he say?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
How about Pryor in the kordell Stewart-slash role? Some wr. Some punt returner.
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Too tall for the return game.
This spot will be perfect for Shoelace though!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Priest is a coward. He never answers when u have him.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
He’s not too tall. Returning punts is EXACTLY like avoiding a rusher and taking off.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
If anybody saw the Dennis Allen press conference today…
He back slid more than Michael Jackson in the Smooth Criminal video.
“I am not tied to a system”, and “I am most concerned about putting players in the position to be most successful”
Unfortunately it took 17 weeks for him to figure that out.
That clown should be sent packing just like the staff he hand picked, assembled, and is now scapegoating!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lbmoeg12DqU
December 31st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
They had criner returning pints in practice. Pryor would be outstanding.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Allen isn’t fired. Are we gonna have to hear “Allen should be fired”? For the next six months?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
You guys are making way too much out of Pryor’s armstrength, his arm is a lot better than he displayed onm Sunday. Why he threw all those touch passes makes me think he was trying to be too perfect. Pryor’s arm is the absolute least of his issues. Pryor can throw the ball 70 yards standing still.
All you have to is watch him throw in his highlight reel to know this…..I watched way to many games of this kid. His armstrength was never a concern prior to Sunday. I think he was trying to catch the ball for them. But he can throw it with the best of ‘em mechanics still need attention and he has to continue to get better. BUT if you think this kid can’t knock you over with the football you are mistaken.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Allen isn’t fired. Are we gonna have to hear “Allen should be fired”? For the next six months?
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Yes. It took us 6 months to get Knapp outta here, but hey, better late than never!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
DA has this team playing like a possum.
Playing dead at home and getting killed on the road.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Theghostronin79 Says: December 31st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Why does it have to be 2 categories?…..A Lover / A Hater?Could somebody be plesantly surprized with TP and NOT be all over his ball-sack?Or be annoyed at CP’s untimely picks and not be labeled a Palmer HATER?
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That type of common sense is generally frowned upon in a msg board like this
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Love you guys!!! I knew I wasn’t the only one. Thank Jesus
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
T.Pryor is the Raiders future so get over it.Please don’t leave or change your site names when it happens because payback is in order for all of the doubters!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Marcel Reece is on now…
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Such a waste of a season. Basically this year was a Dennis Allen “experiment” season. Just to scrap it all and fire all his staff after one season.
And yet he is qualified to make these kinds of decisions because of what again?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I stopped reading when you say nobody could have. I think strongly if a few playoff coaches had this team before Reggie put his paws into it the Raiders would be playoffs bound.
Jaysohn Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
For those thinking the Raiders should get rid of Palmer pleae understand there are Salary Cap reasons why that is almost impossible to do. The Cap hit is too large to trade or cut Palmer, so he will be on the team next season and likely the starter. Pryor should enough to warrant further development and should jump up to the back up spot. Lets not get carried away over yesterday, he needs to improve his accurracy before he can be considered anything more than a backup. He threw several bad balls yesterday and a few others that lead receivers into really bad hits. The other issue too many people continue to forget is that Salary Cap issues were the major reason for a lack of talent. McKenzie had to slice over 20 – 30 million just to make the cap because of bad contracts and the Palmer trade. You add the injuries to the starting CBs, Ford and Seymour and this team had far less talent to work with. Sure Dennis Allen made some mistakes but no one was going to take this talent to playoffs, let see how much he grows. There have been several super bowl coaches that have started out just as poorly. And by the way Gruden had 3 losing seasons in Tampa including 4 and 5 wins seasons. One of the reasons why the team has been so bad for so long is because we haven’t taken the time to rebuild and grow. Let’s give McKenzie and Allen time to improve the talent, improve the culture. The team has been terrible for over a decade that’s not going to change overnight or in one season.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Jaysohn Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
For those thinking the Raiders should get rid of Palmer pleae understand there are Salary Cap reasons why that is almost impossible to do. The Cap hit is too large to trade or cut Palmer, so he will be on the team next season and likely the starter. Pryor should enough to warrant further development and should jump up to the back up spot. Lets not get carried away over yesterday, he needs to improve his accurracy before he can be considered anything more than a backup. He threw several bad balls yesterday and a few others that lead receivers into really bad hits. The other issue too many people continue to forget is that Salary Cap issues were the major reason for a lack of talent. McKenzie had to slice over 20 – 30 million just to make the cap because of bad contracts and the Palmer trade. You add the injuries to the starting CBs, Ford and Seymour and this team had far less talent to work with. Sure Dennis Allen made some mistakes but no one was going to take this talent to playoffs, let see how much he grows. There have been several super bowl coaches that have started out just as poorly. And by the way Gruden had 3 losing seasons in Tampa including 4 and 5 wins seasons. One of the reasons why the team has been so bad for so long is because we haven’t taken the time to rebuild and grow. Let’s give McKenzie and Allen time to improve the talent, improve the culture. The team has been terrible for over a decade that’s not going to change overnight or in one season.
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Palmer will be in Oakland 1 more year at best.
The left over on his signing bonus is $3.8 mil for 2 more years. That is guaranteed to him no matter what. So if the cut Palmer he would leave with the $7.6 mil.
His salary is $13 million. Lets say he takes a $3 mil pay cut= $10 mil. To keep Palmer for one more year it will cost $17.6 million. If the dump him it cost $7.6 mil.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
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Many people are saying it. Jhill,
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Dakota,
You and i have BOTH said we would trade Palmer for the Jets, KCs, or the Jags #1 pick.
I agreed with JFB that we should bring in a QB to compete with Pryor for the CHANCE to start.
I saw the snippet about the massive cap hit if we trade Palmer, so that thought process is over with.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I know we are anti South guys, but this Mingo kid looks like a BEAST!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Dr. Rob is right, TJ..you’re a coward.
Let me help ya, TJ
Host stated Pryor looked not ok, but just bad. Woodson replied “I think he did ok” Host said “REALLY? YOU REALLY THINK THAT?”
Woodson: “I think with a lot of work he can get his throwing motion corrected”
Host: “Really? I don’t think he can at this stage. I watched that interception he threw, and 10 feet after it left his hands, the ball started wobbling. I was like, get me a shotgun, and shoot this duck. That throw was just a really bad throw. Most of his throws were horribly off target, wobbling.
Woodson: “Do I think he can be a starter? Don’t know about that, but with a lot of work he might be a backup. Maybe if they come up with some packages like the Niners did with Kap early in the year, but don’t know if he’ll ever be good enough to be a starter”
Not word for word, of course, but if you don’t believe me? YOU CAN GO ONLINE TO THEIR WEBSITE, 95.7 THE GAME, AND CAN LISTEN TO ALL OF TODAY’S BROADCAST.
Yeah, Pryor lovers, sorry to burst your bubble, but facts are facts and you can hear what I heard.
Oh, and Reese, when asked about Pryor said “I think he did pretty well…OH I MEAN I THINK HE DID REALLY WELL” lol…backtracking, realizing he should have added a little support.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I am not worried about Pryor’s arm strength. He was playing in his FIRST NFL game and was NOT getting a lot of help. I thought he did pretty good. Raiders have a lot of other issues, QB is the LEAST of them….
Glad to Knapp gone. That was best news of the year!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
TP is one of those power throwers instead of someone who the ball jumps out of his hand.
When clean he can huck it, power through the tree’s type (golf reference).
When not clean……he throws punts.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Mmmmm….the wife is back from the deli with some Copocollo and Calabrese.
That’s how you kick off the new year!!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:19 pm
He was “saved” from another bone-headed turnover by a reckless defender.
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LOL
December 31st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
RE Post 226:
Christmas came a little late for the rest of us, this year. Losing both Pollack and Knapp was simply addition by subtraction. How many of us were calling for Knapp’s head way back during training camp? Now, we have a chance to step forward. With DMac in the last year of his rookie contract, the team needs to put together a trade deal now, or else he’ll walk at the end of 2013 and we get nothing. Here’s hoping we get SOMETHING for Slow-lando (maybe a third rounder), dump Seymour, lock up Wheeler, Goodson and Shaugnessy, and move one step closer to the light.
Happy New Year, y’all!!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
So Norvell and Palmer in 2013, eh?
SMH
December 31st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Sure hope we can grab Dwayne Bowe for Palmer and that LT with the 3rd pick to solidify that Oline. Palmer needs more time to throw.
I know we are taking Star or Moore though.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would be cool with Mandingo, but I think he would be a tad of a reach at #3 overall.
So who is our big FA splash? You know Reggie HAS TO make one.
I am going with Osi, give us so more pass-rushers.
Can’t ever have too many of those.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
T.Pryor one game and 3 TDs.How many offensive starters had 3 TDs all year.Enough said HATERS.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
He also backtracked when asked about DA.
What do you think of DA as a coach?
Reese: “I think he’s a good head coach. A great head coach. What I like about Dennis Allen is his attention to detail. His attention to detail makes me a better player.”
Host just stated the players seem to like DA, and even though he’s quiet on the sidelines, players like him.
Woodson just stated “everyone I talk to likes DA. I’m giving him a bye this year, but next year is when you start measuring Dennis Allen as a head coach. System is in place, and now you’ll see if they are going to improve under his guidance. If same record at end of next year, I think DA will be gone.”
True story..
December 31st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Palmer was hit less than just about any QB in the NFL, statistically speaking.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Again, priest, you’re a pathetic coward. I knew you wouldn’t state what Woodson said, because you’re a punk, and a liar.
I KNEW YOU WOULDN’T BE TRUTHFUL.
truth bites, doesn’t it, old man?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
you can come back quickly if you hit on two drafts. Where I have to give the Colts a lot of credit is the job they did in the (2012) draft. (Andrew) Luck, Coby Fleener, (T.Y.) Hilton, the other tight end (Dwayne Allen), they picked up the running back (Vick Ballard) in there and the other receiver (LaVon) Brazill. That is not where I would give them the most credit, though. It was sitting there in the middle of August and realizing ‘we don’t have any corners.’ It’s easy to forget that Vontae Davis was not the first guy they traded for. They landed (Cassius) Vaughn from Denver (in late May). They made a mistake on Justin King (who was signed in early June) and they cut him Week Six. They traded for (Josh) Gordy from St. Louis. Then they traded for Davis. They signed Darius Butler, whom Carolina cut on the final cutdown, after he sat on the street for (three weeks). They added three corners in a four-week period after the middle of August — that to me was huge. Butler and Vaughn both had key picks for TDs. For the news it generated, Davis has probably been the least productive. The other thing they have done really well is churning the bottom of the roster.”
-Pro Football Weekly, Audibles
the key is draft, and a few free agents – Raiders need to hit on five picks and they pick high enough, and execute a trade or two, then sign three others.
Can you trust Reggie to do it, though? And there isnt a franchise QB in this draft like Luck, so most likely Palmer and Pryor are both back. Indy didnt really go high priced route….Eagles and Chargers were burned going that route, and so were the Chiefs.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
When the real Kell wakes up from his nap, tell him I apologize for making sense.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Kell, Woodson’s opinion on anything is not very well respected. Just google the phrase “rod woodson idiot”. Hundreds of hits at your disposal. Woodson may have been a great player, but he’s awful as an unbiased critic of the game. He’s like the football version of Joe Morgan. Painful to believe a good player can be this bad on radio/TV.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I’m not buy your stat, JFB.
Palmer was getting clobbered. Another second in that pocket would do wonders for our passing game.
That LT is going to be good man. DEs wouldn’t be able to touch our QB with those 2 as bookends. Palmer can get his statue on all day long.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Wow. Are you watching Mingo, JFB?
December 31st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Just asking-If the Raiders had Andrew Luck on this years Raiders team would he be in the playoffs?–Wait a minute let me answer it—AHHHHHHH-no.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Moore and Werner are better than Mingo?
Yeah, pass on the LT, lol.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I’m not buy your stat, JFB.
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I posted the link earlier
December 31st, 2012 at 5:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
who is saying start pryor? NOBODY its just u using it as an agenda.
PPL are saying at least should be a number 2 and used in RZ packages. Palmer or another vet should start and lets see how it plays out. U are the only one pounding ur hands on the keyboard dickota
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Well then, let me be the first to say it. START TP.
Listen, I’m not a big fan of CP, but I’m also not a basher.
I think CP played reasonably well this year, but IMO he’s on the downside of his career and has a propensity for coming up small in big moments.
Is he a more savvy QB and better passer than TP at this point ?
Hell, yes.
Is he a guy that we can realistically build around for a future run at a Lombardi ?
Hell, no.
I don’t know if CP is tradeable with his bloated contract.
If there’s a team out there that wants to surrender a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick for him – I’d move him.
I like TP. I’m not convinced he can throw well enough or will ever throw well enough to be THE MAN.
But I’m willing to roll the dice on him.
If he can’t do it, c’est la vie.
We’ll just be back at square one.
We’ll still be looking for that elusive franchise QB.
I’m not unalterably opposed to CP returning.
But in the grand scheme of things I think the correct move is to make a move.
I remember very early in the season urgently advocating to fire Krapp immediately.
Although it should have been clear to all that Krapp was doing a horrific job and had to go, many insisted that you just can’t fire an OC midstream.
Hindsight is 20-20, but I think we can all agree now that we would have been better off ‘taking out the trash’ ASAP rather than suffering through an entire season of Krappy.
Well, at least we’ll have the 3rd pick overall now.
Of course, CP isn’t trash and is nowhere near the albatross that Krapp was.
But there are times when you’ve got to make some tough, bold decisions.
Moving on from CP might be one of them.
In my mind, it’s the right thing to do for the future of this franchise.
I would not be uncomfortable in the slightest moving on from CP and starting TP in 2013.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
J Hill Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Moore and Werner are better than Mingo?
Yeah, pass on the LT, lol.
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Werner is better than Mingo. a complete player with speed and power…you can run right at Mingo….you’d need a bookend compliment on the other side.
get the tackle with the first pick (but that Gallery “safe” pick has me worried)
another rusher to consider
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2013/story/_/id/8797476/auburn-tigers-junior-de-corey-lemonier-enter-nfl-draft
December 31st, 2012 at 5:40 pm
pryors gone have splinters in his azz all next season and yall ghetto whiners gone biatch all year!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
We are going to get a really good player in rd 3. Some kid who slips outta the 2nd rd.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Pryor staying…thats where the trend is going
“For all the talk about the Young Guns, five of the six quarterbacks can run. That will create nightmares for defensive coordinators trying to prepare on short notice.
Three read-option quarterbacks made it: RG III, Kaepernick and Wilson. Ponder isn’t afraid to run, and Rodgers will use his feet to get a first down if he spots a defense in man coverage. The only pure pocket passer is Ryan. Ryan has run 32 times this year, so he will use his feet only if necessary.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8794323/2012-nfl-playoffs-nfc-deep-gunners-runners
Never mind what Rod Woodson said…
December 31st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:40 pm
pryors gone have splinters in his azz all next season and yall ghetto whiners gone biatch all year!
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3 TDs v. San Diego
and other Raiders QB’s with NONE v. Chiefs and Panthers
December 31st, 2012 at 5:43 pm
youre biatching already!
December 31st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Andrew Luck would have at least had us fighting for a wildcard spot around Turkey day still.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
What impressed me about Pryor was his vision. When he breaks from the pocket he keeps his eyes downfield and yet seems to know where his immediate threats are.
I don’t think he is going to be a traditional NFL QB, he might just break the mold though.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
After reading this you can pencil Star Lotulelei as the first option, if he is not there i think it is the cb from Alabama.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:11 pm
You guys are making way too much out of Pryor’s armstrength, his arm is a lot better than he displayed onm Sunday. Why he threw all those touch passes makes me think he was trying to be too perfect. Pryor’s arm is the absolute least of his issues. Pryor can throw the ball 70 yards standing still.
All you have to is watch him throw in his highlight reel to know this…
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It’s not about hucking the rock 70 yards. It’s about hucking the rock 50 yards down the field with a lot of mustard in very tight spots. Or 20 yards down the field in very very tight spots. We did not see that yesterday. We saw EXACTLY what we thought we would see: a guy who didn’t complete a high percentage of his attempts, could not get balls into tight spaces, could not throw down the field with accuracy, and after his second read would take off.
Now you might think taking off after two reads is fine, but what that does is takes the game out of your coach, your coordinators, and 10 other guys and puts the entire game in one guys hands. And that one guy really isn’t all that good. And you can’t just focus on a highlight reel. I am sure if you looked at his low light blooper reel, you would feel the way I feel about that player.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Pryor haters talk all you want and we will see.Its all chatter at the moment and opinions.Just be a man to say I was wrong when it happens or dont leave this site when it happens.Anyone can make a comment and disappear.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Dennis Allen is completely incompetent.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Well then, let me be the first to say it. START TP.
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Say hello to 0-16 then.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Man…. I sure hope Pryor can make himself into a passer. I REALLY love the kids’ attitude and leadership. He’s the anti-Cam Newton in that regard.
I hope he finds the right teacher and spends the time at it.
I would absolutely LOVE to be proven wrong about him…..
December 31st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’d like to see TP develop a little more. I’ve said that from the beginning. I like the way he takes command and wears the leader hat. That stuff is impossible to teach. He has it. Right now I see him as a valid #2. If he gets his arm strength up he could be dangerous. Mechanics are a b-tch. Ask Tebow.
If the Raiders draft a QB, the writing is on the wall.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
I wonder what BS Cork will be spinning at his season wrap-up tomorrow.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Just fire us–ARE YOU KIDDING ME–HAHAHA-YOU FELL FOR IT.THERES NO WAY IN HELL ANDREW LUCK WOULD EVEN HAVE US IN PLAYOFF AREA IF WE HAD HIM NO WAY NO HOW.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Man…. I sure hope Pryor can make himself into a passer. I REALLY love the kids’ attitude and leadership. He’s the anti-Cam Newton in that regard.
I hope he finds the right teacher and spends the time at it.
I would absolutely LOVE to be proven wrong about him…..
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ESPN commentator and ex-Raider Eric Allen said “Absolutely” when asked if Pryor could develop into a starting QB
December 31st, 2012 at 5:56 pm
J Hill Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
We are going to get a really good player in rd 3. Some kid who slips outta the 2nd rd.
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might be Logan Ryan of Rutgers
http://espn.go.com/new-york/college-football/story/_/id/8795654/rutgers-scarlet-knights-logan-ryan-opts-nfl-draft
December 31st, 2012 at 5:56 pm
http://deadspin.com/5972202/here-are-all-the-football-people-who-have-been-fired-today-updating
As always, Deadspin nails it:
:2:20 p.m.: The Raiders didn’t really do their part—head coach Dennis Allen keeps his job, for now—but they did junk offensive coordinator Greg Knapp and his zone-blocking scheme. According to the Chronicle’s Vic Tafur: ‘Owner Mark Davis talked with McFadden at midseason about reaching out to Knapp and telling him what type of running plays he liked.’ Why, exactly, should the Raiders plan their offense around what Darren McFadden likes? He’s healthy for two games a year, generally speaking. That’d be like never drinking milk because you have a lactose-intolerant great aunt who shows up every third Hanukkah. Oakland also fired their special teams, offensive line, and linebackers coaches. Lotta problems here.”
December 31st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Norv Turner for OC, he would do wonders for Pryor.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Semour Bush,Saynomore Bush you are not a Raider fan saying 0-16 with a man who had 3 TDs in one game.PLEASE.
December 31st, 2012 at 5:58 pm
As far as Pryor goes, I’m comforted by the knowledge that a few years ago, I thought Mark Sanchez could be good.
Swing and a miss on that one. I’m hoping I’ve whiffed on Pryor not having it as well….
December 31st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Morilla Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I’d like to see TP develop a little more. I’ve said that from the beginning. I like the way he takes command and wears the leader hat. That stuff is impossible to teach. He has it. Right now I see him as a valid #2. If he gets his arm strength up he could be dangerous. Mechanics are a b-tch. Ask Tebow.
If the Raiders draft a QB, the writing is on the wall.
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so far its
Geno Smith (he’s dropping after that bowl performance v Syracuse)
Matt Barkley (already seen him projected to KC with the 2nd round pick)
Tyler Wilson
Aaron Murray (hasnt declared, supposedly another Drew Brees)
Ryan Nassib (good , compact delivery)
Mike Glennon
Tyler Bray (RPG arm, but a little raw)
Zac Dysert (broke Rothelisberger’s records at Miami-OH)
Landry Jones (that would be my favorite, as he would fall to us)
EJ Manuel (pass, weaker Dante Culpepper)
December 31st, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Seems to me Allen and Reggie are very slow upstairs, and thus trying to play catch-up on themselves, a year behind the curve.
Eg, Allen hiring Saunders as OC this year instead of last year. With the amount of available OCs around, he should’ve been hired LAST year not THIS year.
Think we’ll again miss out on some excellent coaches this year in retaining most of the coaching staff, retaining Allen. Then end of next year rue we didn’t hire someone with more clout right now.
Ault, Trestman, Whisenhunt, O’Brien, (penn state), Chip Kelly etc etc…we should be looking at these guys now while they’re available. Guys who are more out of the box thinkers.
Someone said it perfectly last article…
Allen would’ve retained Knapp and started Leinart Week 17. That was ONLY like 5 days ago. Anything Allen says is BS to keep his job. He better have a total catharsis otherwise next year is going to be more of the same.
Allen’s very last words in the press conference were very important.
He said, “our charge next year is to get results, that’s what we’re getting paid to do.”
Ie clearly Mark has told him just that…brought you back one more season, better get results immediately otherwise.
If Allen wants to be in it for the long-haul, he better change his snail-like mind-set.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Say hello to 0-16 then.
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So the Raids won’t win a single game with TP at the helm huh ?
That’s your opinion.
Just in case you’re not aware of this, the Raids were dangerously close to saying hello to 0-16 this year.
That’s not opinion. That’s fact.
3 wins over the absolute doormats of the NFL and an OT squeeker win over a depleted, overrated Steeler team.
Yeah, we COULD go 0-16 with TP.
But guess what ?
We came close to doing that with CP.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
ok TP can start in 2015
December 31st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Coach-Allens-Season-Ending-Press-Conference/23cc003f-36a5-4b97-8a79-33220cad9f43
“I thought he really did some nice things in the game, showed some improvement and showed that there’s some stuff that we can work with moving forward with Terrelle Pryor. So that was good to see. I thought the red zone offense was an improvement. I thought third down was an improvement. Defensively I thought we played well again in the game. We had the one drive that we really extended the drive and gave up some plays. I thought our third down defense, again, was pretty good in the game. ”
-Dennis Allen
December 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
JFB, my man in New Mexico.
Your screen name was money today.
Just FIRE Baby.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The arrogance displayed by some on here is unbearable.
I would love to know what they do in real life that makes them such experts.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
“Allen would’ve retained Knapp and started Leinart Week 17. That was ONLY like 5 days ago. Anything Allen says is BS to keep his job. He better have a total catharsis otherwise next year is going to be more of the same.
Allen’s very last words in the press conference were very important.
He said, “our charge next year is to get results, that’s what we’re getting paid to do.”
Ie clearly Mark has told him just that…brought you back one more season, better get results immediately otherwise.
If Allen wants to be in it for the long-haul, he better change his snail-like mind-set.”
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“Sometimes, you have to make business decisions”
-Dennis Allen
Yeah, D.A. got the message from Mark alright
December 31st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The arrogance displayed by some on here is unbearable.
I would love to know what they do in real life that makes them such experts
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Instant gratification crowd…compounded by decades of losses and bad draftpicks.
EVERYTHING will be second and third guessed.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
ok TP can start in 2016
December 31st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Repost From Earlier Today:
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Everyone here is talking about PRYOR as a finish product. He is not even close to being fully grown.
Let a coach develope him and watch out.
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There is the problem right there. Coaches don’t have time to develop players any more. That went out 10 years ago. Guys have to come into the league ready to play. Look at Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson and Andy Dalton. Matt Ryan. These guys came in ready to play. Luke Keuchly, Alton Smith. Guys come in ready to play. The problem with Al Davis is Davis would hand his coaching staffs TONS of projects: DHB, Jamarcus, Ausberry, Richard Gordon, Veldheer, Pryor, the list goes on and on. And very few of those guys ever develop and they hold the entire team back.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Pryor staying…thats where the trend is going
“For all the talk about the Young Guns, five of the six quarterbacks can run. That will create nightmares for defensive coordinators trying to prepare on short notice.
Three read-option quarterbacks made it: RG III, Kaepernick and Wilson. Ponder isn’t afraid to run, and Rodgers will use his feet to get a first down if he spots a defense in man coverage. The only pure pocket passer is Ryan. Ryan has run 32 times this year, so he will use his feet only if necessary.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8794323/2012-nfl-playoffs-nfc-deep-gunners-runners
Never mind what Rod Woodson said…
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The “gunner” requires an All-Century team around him. Washington is 0-16 with him.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
i like the great insight you give us to the conversations mark had with DA…………………..
in your mind…………
December 31st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Twocents Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
The arrogance displayed by some on here is unbearable.
I would love to know what they do in real life that makes them such experts
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Instant gratification crowd…compounded by decades of losses and bad draftpicks.
EVERYTHING will be second and third guessed.
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Yup, we’ll drill it into the ground.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
how SBs have the young guns won?
December 31st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Mikechoice T.P.can start awe you shoudn’t have.You are so nice thank you so much.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Say hello to 0-16 then.
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So the Raids won’t win a single game with TP at the helm huh ?
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Not unless Pryor can suddenly turn into a very accurate strong armed guy that can hit targets all over the yard with mustard and touch. He has had 23+ years to learn how to do that. We certainly did not see that yesterday. I highly doubt he can learn it in 6 months.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Pryor reminds me of Seneca Wallace, great back up, not a starter; probably would’ve been a probowler at WR/TE/DB.
Stabler had a high arc on his bombs, he was deadly accurate though on short and midrange passes.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:16 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Pryor staying…thats where the trend is going
“For all the talk about the Young Guns, five of the six quarterbacks can run. That will create nightmares for defensive coordinators trying to prepare on short notice.
Three read-option quarterbacks made it: RG III, Kaepernick and Wilson. Ponder isn’t afraid to run, and Rodgers will use his feet to get a first down if he spots a defense in man coverage. The only pure pocket passer is Ryan. Ryan has run 32 times this year, so he will use his feet only if necessary.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8794323/2012-nfl-playoffs-nfc-deep-gunners-runners
Never mind what Rod Woodson said…
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The “gunner” requires an All-Century team around him. Washington is 0-16 with him.
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Washington is 0-16 with RGIII?
RIGHT.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Say hello to 0-16 then.
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So the Raids won’t win a single game with TP at the helm huh ?
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Not unless Pryor can suddenly turn into a very accurate strong armed guy that can hit targets all over the yard with mustard and touch. He has had 23+ years to learn how to do that. We certainly did not see that yesterday. I highly doubt he can learn it in 6 months.
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HE SCORED POINTS. And in a Knapp offense, even the San Diego defenders came up to him saying; “Youre difficult to game plan for”
THE END.
that being said; Who would you prefer at QB. Palmer, Draft? Free agency?
December 31st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Seymour Bush,what Im saying is lets wait and see.You and alot of others are saying that T.Pryor wont be productive in the N,F.L.I beg to differ.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
how SBs have the young guns won?
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Season aint over yet, Genius.
About as many as you, if you wanna comment like that.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
It’s not about hucking the rock 70 yards. It’s about hucking the rock 50 yards down the field with a lot of mustard in very tight spots. Or 20 yards down the field in very very tight spots. We did not see that yesterday. We saw EXACTLY what we thought we would see: a guy who didn’t complete a high percentage of his attempts, could not get balls into tight spaces, could not throw down the field with accuracy, and after his second read would take off.
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Mostly agree, but after watching some scary air balls I paid more attention to his short and mid-range passes. I thought they looked pretty good with zip and accuracy on most. I particularly noticed the zip ’cause when he throws deep it’s like he plants on his back foot and lofts it when he doesn’t have to. Didn’t expect as good as RGIII or as poor as some of Tebow’s wins last year and that’s what I got. Up to him to earn #2 next year and work towards 2014.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Another year of Denise huh? And yet Lovie gets fired after 10 wins who is a 1,000,000 more times qualified than Denise…Thanks Reggie…and thanks Mark for being to big a pu$$y to fire this geek…
At least you guys saved me money next year.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:22 pm
By the time Pryor is ready to be a starter at qb, he’ll be an UFA.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:24 pm
bank-bank Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Seymour Bush,what Im saying is lets wait and see.You and alot of others are saying that T.Pryor wont be productive in the N,F.L.I beg to differ.
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As I said there is not one person on this blog who wants Pryor to be a stud more than I do. Not even Pryor. But we have to face reality that what we saw yesterday is what we get and frankly that wasn’t much. It’s hard to give Pryor too many accolades about yesterday because SD had nothing to play for other than tee times, their coach was twisting in the wind, so Pryor’s 3 TD’s have to be taken with a tiny grain of salt.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I know it would be unbelievably crazy, but why not bring back Hue as OC now. He knows our players, knows how to get the most out of those offensive weapons. Instantly playoff contender as we’d have a top 10 offense and I’m sure the defense would improve.
I’m not a ‘hue is the greatest person in the world’ type fan of him, but noone can argue he did wonders for our offense. Just look at the year before and after he was here.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RaiderRetribution——yeah right.lmao
December 31st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
that being said; Who would you prefer at QB. Palmer, Draft? Free agency?
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Palmer. Hands down. The problem with the Raider offense was not Palmer. It was McFadden. That is the thing I find frustrating on this blog. Why you guys want Palmer gone, but you want to buy McFadden a present for being our worst running back is beyond me.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Seymour Bush,you aint saying nothing.Lets just wait and see because lets face it we dont know the future.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Wait and see?
Great idea….
I don’t want to be right, I want to see the Raiders win games.
I’ll take that any way it comes.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
DA will be the HC next year,like it or not.Pryor will be given the chance to compete for the BU role and continue to develop.Can’t people move on now that those issues are set?
December 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
they aint won chit sam like yo mama!
its another one of your whack theories!
December 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
So now I guess we’ll get that huge jump in Offensive production knapp spoke about in his news conference a few weeks back. Addition by subtraction… There was a reason Tom Cable removed him from calling plays the last time he was here. He’s a terrible play caller, and it’s clear he can’t teach his system very well. You expect growing pains when installing a new scheme, but not to still be struggling with blocks in week 17. DA said in his Press Conference something we didn’t hear all season and that was that they needed to put their players in the position to do what they do best. Knapp NEVER said anything like that as he was going to stubbornly install HIS offense, and who cares who we have in personnel. He was going to be a disaster from the beginning since the ZB scheme was all he knew and didn’t know it well enough to teach it properly. Hue’s Offensive system was perfect for this personnel and DA should have left the system in place. It’s still a shame that DMC got hurt last year as it would have been fun to see Palmer and DMC both in there running Hue’s Offense.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
that being said; Who would you prefer at QB. Palmer, Draft? Free agency?
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Palmer. Hands down. The problem with the Raider offense was not Palmer. It was McFadden. That is the thing I find frustrating on this blog. Why you guys want Palmer gone, but you want to buy McFadden a present for being our worst running back is beyond me.
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Did Reece and Goodson do enough that McFadden could be traded? Could another RB (like Johnathan Franklin/UCLA or Stepfan Taylor) be drafted.
that could free up a much easier pick – Joeckel at OT at 3 to help Palmer get more time.
Palmer will be too much of a cap hit now, and too old to get much value in trade.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
they aint won chit sam like yo mama!
its another one of your whack theories!
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That touched a nerve, huh? See what trolling gets you?
December 31st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Stablersbeard–now thats what Im talking about.We will take wins no matter whos quarterbacking or anyway we can.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
the real SB winners are manning, brady, manning, brady, manning, brees,
December 31st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
keep wishin ghetto sam
December 31st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Say hello to 0-16 then.
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So the Raids won’t win a single game with TP at the helm huh ?
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Not unless Pryor can suddenly turn into a very accurate strong armed guy that can hit targets all over the yard with mustard and touch. He has had 23+ years to learn how to do that. We certainly did not see that yesterday. I highly doubt he can learn it in 6 months.
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It should be noted that we did see 21 points scored yesterday, even without the ‘mustard and touch’.
In fact, it’s reasonable to say that if the Bolts hadn’t housed the opening KO, or if TP doesn’t screw up before the half – the Raids either tie or actually win the game.
Was an immobile Palmer going to win that game ?
You might think so. I don’t.
I’ll say it again – I’m very skeptical that TP will ever throw well enough to be THE MAN.
But if he can throw even moderately well, he is a viable QB that can put points up and win games with his athleticism and legs.
He’s a breath of fresh air and gives the RAIDS hope.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
that being said; Who would you prefer at QB. Palmer, Draft? Free agency?
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Palmer. Hands down. The problem with the Raider offense was not Palmer. It was McFadden. That is the thing I find frustrating on this blog. Why you guys want Palmer gone, but you want to buy McFadden a present for being our worst running back is beyond me.
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Did Reece and Goodson do enough that McFadden could be traded? Could another RB (like Johnathan Franklin/UCLA or Stepfan Taylor) be drafted.
that could free up a much easier pick – Joeckel at OT at 3 to help Palmer get more time.
Palmer will be too much of a cap hit now, and too old to get much value in trade.
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Palmer could be still good for another 5 or 6 years easily. The defense started to play better. Solidify the run game, which should not be that hard, get a little better on the Oline and get some more play makers at the receiver and TE positions and we should be ready to go.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
The back up or even #3 QB vs. the starter is an established debate on all teams with a losing or mediocre record going back to the inception of the forward pass. It certainly has some history with this organization. I wonder if it would be anywhere near as vitriolic as the current debate is without one, and only one, certain poster?
December 31st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I think we are going to get what we all wanted last year in the first place…..saunders as OC running hues O…..
December 31st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
GREAT NEWS!!!!!
special teams were even worse than that horrid offense.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Say hello to 0-16 then.
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So the Raids won’t win a single game with TP at the helm huh ?
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Not unless Pryor can suddenly turn into a very accurate strong armed guy that can hit targets all over the yard with mustard and touch. He has had 23+ years to learn how to do that. We certainly did not see that yesterday. I highly doubt he can learn it in 6 months.
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It should be noted that we did see 21 points scored yesterday, even without the ‘mustard and touch’.
In fact, it’s reasonable to say that if the Bolts hadn’t housed the opening KO, or if TP doesn’t screw up before the half – the Raids either tie or actually win the game.
Was an immobile Palmer going to win that game ?
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The thing that really decided that game was special teams. Obviously the opening kick off but also the fake punt killed us. Which is why Steve Hoffman had to go. Without those gaffes, and Palmer in there, we win easily.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Seymour Bush,you are right.Palmer could be good for another 5 or 6 years easily.If only we Shell and Upshaw on our offensive line.Thats not happening fella.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Saunders should have been the OC, Knapp shoulda been QB coach.
we coulda slowly mixed in the ZBS while still capitalizing on Dmac’s and Carson’s and Moore’s strengths.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
*delurks*
Evening, all. Happy New Year from the right coast.
Beeech, if you’re still here, you’re KK impersonation was great this afternoon! Laughed my *ss off!
Not feeling too hot this evening so staying in. No life anyhow lately so nbd.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Keep wondering why Palmer at just 33 is too old when so many have torn it up ’till their mid to later thirties. Peyton being the poster boy this year. You don’t like Palmer, say so. He doesn’t play like a washed up QB in my opinion. I think he still has something to prove and got thrown as bad a curveball with Knapp as he could have imagined and tried to make the best of it.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Scourge Says:
Not feeling too hot this evening so staying in. No life anyhow lately so nbd.
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Noticed that when you were the “scourge” of the blog early the other morning. No offense. Happy New Year.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
The way I remember it, Saunders didn’t want the stress and responsibility of the OC job when it was offered last year.
The guy is 70 or so years old.
I think he’s looking to be a part-timer….
December 31st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Run the read option with Pryor and Reece.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Saunders recognizes Palmer as an NFL QB;
Palmer, Pryor, Landry (reggie’s 4th round pick-my projection) open competition for starting qb.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
P-Man//
Thanks. HNY to you too!
December 31st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
The thing that really decided that game was special teams. Obviously the opening kick off but also the fake punt killed us. Which is why Steve Hoffman had to go. Without those gaffes, and Palmer in there, we win easily.
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They were ready for that fake, just didn’t get it done. But that was part of fixing what wasn’t broke that I never understood.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Pryor staying…thats where the trend is going
“For all the talk about the Young Guns, five of the six quarterbacks can run. That will create nightmares for defensive coordinators trying to prepare on short notice.
Three read-option quarterbacks made it: RG III, Kaepernick and Wilson. Ponder isn’t afraid to run, and Rodgers will use his feet to get a first down if he spots a defense in man coverage. The only pure pocket passer is Ryan. Ryan has run 32 times this year, so he will use his feet only if necessary.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8794323/2012-nfl-playoffs-nfc-deep-gunners-runners
Never mind what Rod Woodson said…
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Oh sure. I mean he’s only a 17 yr Hall of Fame player.
We’ll just go with what some hack beat writers write.
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT IDIOTS DO..so, by all means, easily swayed child, be a lemming as only you can.
December 31st, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
DA has this team playing like a possum.
Playing dead at home and getting killed on the road.
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December 31st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
bwahahhahahaha….where are the knappsukers?
December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I don’t much about the released Jets’ gm, but I can’t believe they didn’t fire Ryan. He’s a mouth that won’t stop and that gets old fast.
Sanchez may not be the long-term answer to their problems, but I think he’s not a love-the-NYC limelight guy, yet Ryan loves that spotlight (and I am sure the owners love that their Jets get the attention Ryan gets for them when_they_win) but I think that attention gets to Sanchez.
Anyway, I think Ryan should have been canned. His act wears thin fast.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Such a waste of a season. Basically this year was a Dennis Allen “experiment” season. Just to scrap it all and fire all his staff after one season.
And yet he is qualified to make these kinds of decisions because of what again?
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Exactly. Same with Reggie too.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Scourge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
*delurks*
Evening, all. Happy New Year from the right coast.
Beeech, if you’re still here, you’re KK impersonation was great this afternoon! Laughed my *ss off!
Not feeling too hot this evening so staying in. No life anyhow lately so nbd.
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I’m not Beeech, but he does come up with some good ones, on occasion. Laughed out loud more than a few times.
I knew when I posted HOLLA someone would think that.
No biggee.
As long as I’m never confused with being “Mongoloid KoolKell Buttcheeks”…don’t think I could take the emotional abuse associated with that.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Speaking of Beech. Haven’t seen him in a bit.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Saunders might be around 70, but he’s a physical fitness freak.
Saunders’ age isn’t really a factor. Marv Levy coached until he was 126.
Saunders has a better feel for the game and has forgotten more about football than Krapp will ever know.
Would be an instant upgrade from Krapp, but I doubt that’s the direction the Raids take.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I can’t believe a coach as incompetent as Allen did not get fired.
Amazing.
Maybe he will be better with experience, but I doubt it.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
The back up or even #3 QB vs. the starter is an established debate on all teams with a losing or mediocre record going back to the inception of the forward pass. It certainly has some history with this organization. I wonder if it would be anywhere near as vitriolic as the current debate is without one, and only one, certain poster?
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Was anyone ever chanting “Tuiasosopo”. I can’t remember. I’m not being sarcastic, I just can’t remember.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Scourge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
*delurks*
Evening, all. Happy New Year from the right coast.
Beeech, if you’re still here, you’re KK impersonation was great this afternoon! Laughed my *ss off!
Not feeling too hot this evening so staying in. No life anyhow lately so nbd.
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What happened to Beech anyway?
December 31st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
The thing that really decided that game was special teams. Obviously the opening kick off but also the fake punt killed us. Which is why Steve Hoffman had to go. Without those gaffes, and Palmer in there, we win easily.
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We haven’t won a game easily with Palmer in 10 weeks. His last win was due to 5 FG’s…….we lose 24-10 with Palmer. Or better yet 24-9 3 FG’s.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
DA….
“I was pleased with where Jason was,” Allen said. “J.T. does a good job for us. He’s a very smart football coach. He, like all of us, he’s the first time in that position, and so we all go through a learning curve in that position and that’s something we’ve looked at throughout this organization, guys that are the first time doing that particular job, and we’ll grow from it.”
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so it was never in DA’s plan to field the best coaching staff available…..to put the team in the best possible position to win
this guy is a friggin loser…..just dont like anything about this guy
December 31st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
“Mongoloid KoolKell Buttcheeks” lol
Thanks KK, I did need that.
Yeah, Beeech has been MIA for a while. Mebbe he’s been cross-posting too.
KK, you’re riot, though! I especially liked the “you think slowly….usually later” comment. About fell off my chair.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Palmer is too predictable.
Read option with Pryor and Reece.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
why da has a job only mumbles knows….either way they are tied at the hip….both will begone soon…especially after all of next years blackouts….
December 31st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
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Reggie needs to make the choice because his rep is riding on the outcome of next season too.
I’m just trying to picture how our guys are going to fit the incoming offense. If Reggie choses, then I guess going to be similar to Green Bay. RBs??
December 31st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
they chanted toui toui toui…
December 31st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I notice many of the same guys who prach “patience” around here are some of the biggest Palmer bashers.
They try to come off as “real” and all sound minded and practical etc. and then they say “If Palmer doesn’t throw those three int’s we’re in the playoffs”.
I guess I never saw a guy in Palmer that brings about such hate and disdain.
He seems like a good guy.
Maybe it’s just closet Bengal fans or something.
Plus his favorite movie is Dumb and Dumber…
December 31st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
The Chargers would’ve sacked Palmer 4-5 times and picked him off twice and he fumbles once and the Chargers get a defensive TD. Maybe beat us 31-12.
4 FG’s….
Pryor wasn’t sacked once and gained 49 yards rushing and TD along with 2 TD’s passing. Palmer hasn’t thrown more than 1 TD in what 6 weeks. Pryor changed the way the defense could play us and gave us a chance with the clock running out.
In his 1st EVER extended playing time……you can go back and look at Palmers second year in the league he had maybe two games that good the entire YEAR. I love Palmer but I think what people are missing in Pryor’s start was by mid game the Chargers knew they were up against a true gamer. They all were impressed even the HC Norv Turner and very glad they won.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Happy New Year to all of you by the way!
December 31st, 2012 at 7:19 pm
any interviews scheduled?
December 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I wouldn’t want to be in Mark’s shoes. He’s caught between trying be his own man and dealing with the shadow of his father. The advice/direction his father, his father’s friends (Madden, etc.), what Amy & Co. say, and what he may have independently garnered watching from the wings the last few decades must press against any ambitions he has of his own in terms of the direction to take. The value of an organization in the realm of $700-800M is quite a burden for anyone, especially in the shadow such a predecessor.
IMHO, FWIW, YMMV….
December 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Trade DMac and Moore to Cincinnati for a first and a second.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Whoknows Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Aphid Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Gents,
Going forward: Do you have any thoughts on the hiring of the staff?
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Reggie needs to make the choice because his rep is riding on the outcome of next season too.
I’m just trying to picture how our guys are going to fit the incoming offense. If Reggie choses, then I guess going to be similar to Green Bay. RBs??
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That’s what I suspect. In that kind of running attack a guy like DMAC is expendable. GB does it by committee. Stewart and Goodson fit the bill.
What GB has are receivers who can CATCH THE BALL.
They have:
-James Jones
-Jermichael Finley
-Jordy Nelson
-Greg Jennings
-Randall Cobb
We have:
-DHB (dropsie disease)
-Myers (in the top 10 of the league in drops)
-DMoore (he’s been dropping them too)
-Streator (Keeper)
IMO …NONE of our guys are that reliable.
GB’s guys almost NEVER drop a pass if they get their hands on it.
We need receivers like that and i would assume if Reggie is gonna model us more like GB he will go ever guys WHO CAN CATCH.
Yes. I am aware they have Aaron Rodgers to throw it to them, but if Rodgers had our guys…..his stats wouldn’t be nearly as good.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
If you gave Pryor 6 straight starts may guess is his record would be 3-3 4-2. With 10-14 TD’s 4ints 1,000 yards passing and 250 rushing with 4-5 rushing TD’s.
Palmer in his wildest dreams could put up those #’s.
We only got a glimpes of what this kid can do given the chance 3 TD’s in a game would be average for Pryor we saw that in the preseason and he confirmed yesterday. DC’s would eventually lock in on him toa certain extent until he figures out how to take advantage of what they’re doing then it’s over.
Go back look at his stats in college in a pedestrian offense his production is about what I described above this kid scored 3 TD’s in his first ever start you cannot name more than a few QB’s that didn’t throw more int’s than TD’s in their first ever start.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Mark may be ready to step out on his own after seeing what all the advice from the “experts’ got him this season.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I understand that consistency is sought to some degree with the coaching staff at least at the top but should “scholarships” have to apply to GMs/HCs like RM and DA?
December 31st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I love Palmer
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You are a phucking liar.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
priest my ghetto biatch
we will let pryor start in 2015
December 31st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
DJ I’m sorry but GB rec’s are known for drops, especially Nelson.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
nelson is known for getting open-something our recievers dont do
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
18.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
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Can he lead from the TE/WR position? Cuz that is the only place he will be starting barring injury.
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Nope.
TEs and WRs never lead teams.
Leadership positions are QB, MLB, OLB, and DE
I havent really seen it done from any other position.
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Then you must be too young to remember guys like Tim Brown, who was not just the leader but he was the voice of the Raiders for a decade. Jerry Rice was a veteran leader when he came over, not just for showing how to win but also how to work in the offseason. He took numerous young Raiders under his wing to run his famous conditioning routine.
Perhaps you don’t remember Michael Irvin, a keystone of leadership on the championship Dallas teams?
You want other positions? Charles Woodson as a DB is a clear and vocal leader. Hell, Lechler is considered one of the key leaders in the Raiders lockerroom.
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Tim Brown never led this team.
He was a high character guy. Great player. And often the best on our team during his long career. But he was NEVER the leader of this team. Gannon was the leader.
Rice was NEVER the leader of any team he was on. He was often the best player on his teams. And is arguably the greatest player of all time. But never a leader. Montana was the leader of the Niners and later with us, Gannon was the unquestioned leader.
Charles Woodson was NEVER a leader of our team. Dont you remember the time he was out all night partying with Charlie Garner and got benched before the season finale? Leaders dont do that. Great player. Better athlete. NOT a leader.
Michael Irvin was NEVER the leader of the Cowboys. That was Troy Aikman.
Damn Z, you can be a total idiot sometimes. Just because a player is good or even great, doesnt mean he is a leader and can hold a locker room together.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
cant count garbage time tds last week
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Scourge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I wouldn’t want to be in Mark’s shoes. He’s caught between trying be his own man and dealing with the shadow of his father. The advice/direction his father, his father’s friends (Madden, etc.), what Amy & Co. say, and what he may have independently garnered watching from the wings the last few decades must press against any ambitions he has of his own in terms of the direction to take. The value of an organization in the realm of $700-800M is quite a burden for anyone, especially in the shadow such a predecessor.
IMHO, FWIW, YMMV….
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I’d take that burden. I’d contemplate my misery while vacationing at Atlantis in Nassau overlooking the Caribbean in my luxury suite…take a few notes of my random thoughts and then pop in a reggae tape, and then fly back to Oakland and fire some people.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
GB throws the ball so much and that QB is soo accurate they make up for them but thos guys drop passes. Driver used to be terrible for drops.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
DJ I’m sorry but GB rec’s are known for drops, especially Nelson.
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Are u sure? I watch alot of GB games (due to those games being aired locally ALL THE TIME) and I hardly ever see them drop passes.
If there’s a stat that says otherwise than I stand corrected.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Saw a lot of positives with Pryor.
Both he and Palmer need some receivers they can trust.
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I honestly think the issues with QB’s and WR’s was just let go today………a new OC worth his salt can solve 90% of those issues.
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WRONG. Dead wrong.
A new OC isnt going to make DLess any smarter or DHBs hands any better. It’s only going to stunt their development even more because it will be the 5th offense for DHB and the 3rd offense for DLess to have to learn in as many years.
You cant win by changing systems every single year. DA had to can Knapp because his job depended on it. That much is obvious. But I think if it was up to DA, he probably would have stuck with Knapp. Unless he has someone better in his sights, because we know that Knapp wasnt his first choice last year, it was all that was left because DA was so late to getting a chance to hire his guys and all the other teams denied him access to their coordinators.
But until we get a vet WR in their, its going to be tough to pass the rock. Our WR core sucks. Meyers sucks too. Cant block or catch all that well.
I like DHB as a person. For a lot of the same reasons I like Pryor. They are similar in that they both have GREAT attitudes and great work ethic but while I see Pryor improving, the growth isnt happening fast enough or enough at all for DHB. He’s too expensive to be making the same mistakes over and over again.
As for DLess. Im just plain tired of his tired attitude and sloppy route running. Dude needs a serious wake up call up side the head.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
J Hill Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I’m not buy your stat, JFB.
Palmer was getting clobbered. Another second in that pocket would do wonders for our passing game.
That LT is going to be good man. DEs wouldn’t be able to touch our QB with those 2 as bookends. Palmer can get his statue on all day long.
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Sometimes you make sense jhill!
Gooooo lakers!
December 31st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Scourge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
I wouldn’t want to be in Mark’s shoes. He’s caught between trying be his own man and dealing with the shadow of his father. The advice/direction his father, his father’s friends (Madden, etc.), what Amy & Co. say, and what he may have independently garnered watching from the wings the last few decades must press against any ambitions he has of his own in terms of the direction to take. The value of an organization in the realm of $700-800M is quite a burden for anyone, especially in the shadow such a predecessor.
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Not to mention all of Al Davis’ other business holdings.
Mark inherited a lot of stuff. More than just about any one man could handle.
Al truly was one of a kind.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Allen’s presser this AM:
http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/10309.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
December 31st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
You know what…
Its clear DA is on notice…RM too…they now have NO excuses. KRAPP is gone..they have all ofseason to get THEIR man (that better ft our personnel this time). No 2nd 3rd and 4th choices.
I wanted the CLOWNE COACHE CADRE gone…but I do think our D has shored up. Ganted we started from dumpster fire status but Tarver should be given another year. If you dump DA Tarver goes too.
I was worried KRAPP and OL and ST coaches would remain.
I am reluctantly willing to give D0A 1 more year…RM too…
This is it though. No ‘5 yr’ BS plan/built in excuse. I also think we need to move away from expeNsive old stop gaps (read: definitely palmer/seymour, probably kelly and maybe huff). This helps our cap and draft options enourmously
I want to see this guy also become more adaptive and less pigheaded. he was as flexible as a stalagtite this past year.
OC OL and ST choices should be ‘okayed’ by RM as well.
NO MORE FREE REIGN/PASSES.
Not for THIS guy anyway.
anything less than 8-8 = INSTAFIRE
2013—> NO EXCUSES…
One big PS: Gruden truly available? ELIMINATE ALL TEXT ABOVE…GOOD BYE DA HELLO CHUCKSTER!
December 31st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
GB throws the ball so much and that QB is soo accurate they make up for them but thos guys drop passes. Driver used to be terrible for drops.
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I DO recall Driver dropping some balls.
Remember Favres MNF game at Oakland? He’d just toss em up in the air and guys would come down with it.
I think our guys drop waaay too many passes. They did yesterday too.
Palmer, Pryor, whomever is our QB is gonna need guys who can catch.
I know Moore and Myers are in the top 15 of drops in the league and DHB has dropped some clutch 3rd down plays.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Scourge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I understand that consistency is sought to some degree with the coaching staff at least at the top but should “scholarships” have to apply to GMs/HCs like RM and DA?
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Giving our HC/OC a second year is hardly considered a scholarship.
Look how many years guys like Kelly and Branch have been given.
You guys can be so myopic.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
GB throws the ball so much and that QB is soo accurate they make up for them but thos guys drop passes. Driver used to be terrible for drops.
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I DO recall Driver dropping some balls.
Remember Favres MNF game at Oakland? He’d just toss em up in the air and guys would come down with it.
I think our guys drop waaay too many passes. They did yesterday too.
Palmer, Pryor, whomever is our QB is gonna need guys who can catch.
I know Moore and Myers are in the top 15 of drops in the league and DHB has dropped some clutch 3rd down plays.
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Bingo Johnny. Now youre making sense.
And lets not let Reece off the hook. He’s dropped his fair share too.
And Ford in the preseason.
It’s been the poorest collective receiving effort Ive ever witnessed.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
7 head coaches in 10 years.
And in that span we’ve been one of the worst teams in sports.
And you guys want to let the players off the hook again and can more coaches. SMH.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
This article is a mixed bag of contradictions and truths.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/ray-ratto/raiders-search-continuity
December 31st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
quote
There is the problem right there. Coaches don’t have time to develop players any more. That went out 10 years ago. Guys have to come into the league ready to play. Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Luke Kuechly, Aldon Smith. The problem is when GMs hand their coaching staffs tons of projects. Very few of them ever develop and they hold the entire team back with too much persistence.
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I tidied up your post but very right. But, all GMs draft projects. Every GM has a scholarship, with a handful of players they deem starters 2-3 years away. Your whole practice squad firstly, and then another 6 or so on the 53.
Reggie has his projects too…Criner, Crawford, Bilukidi, Calhoun, Nix, etc.
Bergstrom drafted highest should’ve been an impact player. That’s where hopefully Reggie does well this draft, need as many drafted high to be immediate contributors.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
saunders is 65 years old….dick lebeau is 75….saunders is a kid……that being said if saunders thinks he’s too old and cameron becomes available those two would be excellent together
December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
7 head coaches in 10 years.
And in that span we’ve been one of the worst teams in sports.
And you guys want to let the players off the hook again and can more coaches. SMH.
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We agree with little to nothing, but you are right here… we cannot keep canning coaches to the top. Its never worked..
December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Riff,
Knapp got fired at the end of the season, so that means the GM/ HC also blamed the OC and not the talent, correct?
O Knows best!
December 31st, 2012 at 7:55 pm
fire the puto DA….
December 31st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Espn was reporting that Tony dungy was interested in the Oakland job had it opened up. He wanted whisenhunt as his oc and Vick as the qb.
Can we still fire Dennis Allen?
December 31st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Picked an odd to jump back in the fray, lol.
Still in Oregon?
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Yes still in Oregon.
I don’t know why I decided today was the day to jump back in the fray. Maybe cuz today was the first day that I can remember that I actually had more than a minute to myself to actually comment on anything.
I am hoping that Chip Kelly doesn’t leave my town unless he is headed to Oakland to be an OC. You were right about Casey Matthews, too undersized. I was pretty pissed when the 9ers drafted LaMichael James, especially when they never played him, at least until the end of the season.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Hell to the naw to Vicky and his 5 ft 8 arsse.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Dennis and Reggie need to cooperate in the next OC hire. Reggie still needs to allow Dennis to hire his own staff, Dennis needs to make sure the staff coordinates with the players Reggie is drafting and signing.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Riff,
Knapp got fired at the end of the season, so that means the GM/ HC also blamed the OC and not the talent, correct?
O Knows best!
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C’mon O. You know damn well that DA was saving his job. Knapp was a fallout guy.
You dont have to read between the lines to know where DA stands. He wants players to execute and without it, nothing will change.
DA isnt blaming Knapp. But what choice did he have. This was a vanity firing. It had to be done to appease Mark.
December 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
18.Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
By the way, Pryor goes on record today saying more of the right stuff. He NEVER says the wrong thing. And its all genuine.
This guy has his sights set on being GREAT. He’s humble. He’s got loads of talent. And he wants to be the hardest working player on the team, of which, your QB must be.
Oh, and he’s a leader of men. Which is something this team has been in desperate need of since Gannon left.
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Can he lead from the TE/WR position? Cuz that is the only place he will be starting barring injury.
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Nope.
TEs and WRs never lead teams.
Leadership positions are QB, MLB, OLB, and DE
I havent really seen it done from any other position.
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Then you must be too young to remember guys like Tim Brown, who was not just the leader but he was the voice of the Raiders for a decade. Jerry Rice was a veteran leader when he came over, not just for showing how to win but also how to work in the offseason. He took numerous young Raiders under his wing to run his famous conditioning routine.
Perhaps you don’t remember Michael Irvin, a keystone of leadership on the championship Dallas teams?
You want other positions? Charles Woodson as a DB is a clear and vocal leader. Hell, Lechler is considered one of the key leaders in the Raiders lockerroom.
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Tim Brown never led this team.
He was a high character guy. Great player. And often the best on our team during his long career. But he was NEVER the leader of this team. Gannon was the leader.
Rice was NEVER the leader of any team he was on. He was often the best player on his teams. And is arguably the greatest player of all time. But never a leader. Montana was the leader of the Niners and later with us, Gannon was the unquestioned leader.
Charles Woodson was NEVER a leader of our team. Dont you remember the time he was out all night partying with Charlie Garner and got benched before the season finale? Leaders dont do that. Great player. Better athlete. NOT a leader.
Michael Irvin was NEVER the leader of the Cowboys. That was Troy Aikman.
Damn Z, you can be a total idiot sometimes. Just because a player is good or even great, doesnt mean he is a leader and can hold a locker room together.
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How odd RiffRaff.
You just got done saying Pryor is a “leader of men” then proceeded to state Brown, Rice, etc weren’t leaders.
Not saying they were, but how in the hell can you say Pryor leads anything except the May Day parade, when he’s done absolutely zero?
Contradicting yourself makes it easy for others to do the same.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Espn was reporting that Tony dungy was interested in the Oakland job had it opened up. He wanted whisenhunt as his oc and Vick as the qb.
Can we still fire Dennis Allen?
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Wow. That would be a hell of a staff.
But no thanks on Vick. I’d rather have Pryor. Much more durable.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:01 pm
DE Malliciah Goodman has impressed…..Clemson
December 31st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
412, I have no problem answering your question… but first let me know, are you the real Kell or the bizarro/funny Kell?
December 31st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
With so many staffs let go today, there are a TON of coaching prospects to comb thru. This will be a long process I would imagine.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Knapp, very big problem, but our WRs are problem #2 on offense. No game changers, route runners, or red zone playmakers. We need a number one WR bad, been since 2005 that a WR had 8 Tds catches. look at what Dez bryant did in half a season.
I feel with the right OL coach and OC our OL can be restored . Get a legit #1 WR reggie, please
December 31st, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Wow. What a day. I’ll take the compromise. If DA is gonna stay, I suppose he learned a lot this year. Obviously he wants to correct his blunders. After all he did what he had to do. All in all, it’s been a good day. We will get back on track. DA knows if he doesn’t improve next season, he’s next.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:06 pm
The reason I say that TP is a leader is because he takes command of a huddle. He’s vocal. He gets in guys faces and holds them accountable. And he plays a position that allows him to do so.
It’s tough to try and lead a team from the WR position. They generally lead by example. And if they get too vocal they are seen as divas. WRs are a different breed.
I really like Palmer but there is one thing that bugs me about him and its his laid back OC lifestyle attitude. He’s never “running the show” like Gannon did. I had the same beef with Campbell and its why Gradskowski was actually a better QB from that standpoint.
Some guys can just “rally the troops”. And most cant.
Our QB has to be a Gannon-type. This team is a rudderless ship and in desperate need of leadership. Pryor has that “it” factor.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Trade DMac and Moore to Cincinnati for a first and a second.
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There is a legitimate sense of fear and uncertainty with this kind of thinking. We have no real proof, consistency with Reggie’s scouting and drafting ability to trust making wholesale roster changes.
There is a lot of talent on this roster.
All Reggie has to date is ideals and philosophies.
How many former LBs who became GMs were great?
This has been posted a few times and this is the kind of bar that Reggie has to be measured against…
“What’s interesting (is) you can come back quickly if you hit on two drafts. Where I have to give the Colts a lot of credit is the job they did in the (2012) draft. (Andrew) Luck, Coby Fleener, (T.Y.) Hilton, the other tight end (Dwayne Allen), they picked up the running back (Vick Ballard) in there and the other receiver (LaVon) Brazill. That is not where I would give them the most credit, though. It was sitting there in the middle of August and realizing ‘we don’t have any corners.’ It’s easy to forget that Vontae Davis was not the first guy they traded for. They landed (Cassius) Vaughn from Denver (in late May). They made a mistake on Justin King (who was signed in early June) and they cut him Week Six. They traded for (Josh) Gordy from St. Louis. Then they traded for Davis. They signed Darius Butler, whom Carolina cut on the final cutdown, after he sat on the street for (three weeks). They added three corners in a four-week period after the middle of August — that to me was huge. Butler and Vaughn both had key picks for TDs. For the news it generated, Davis has probably been the least productive. The other thing they have done really well is churning the bottom of the roster.”
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You can spot great GM’ing when you see it. Reggie needs to lift his game. It was largely a lot of dubious GM’ing decisions from him this year. Everything from coaching hires to roster moves and inactivity during most of the year.
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Another important consideration…GMs often do bring in talent, but the talent is poorly developed and poorly utilized by the coaching staff. So it’ll be interesting to see how Reggie’s players look if we have better co-ordinators and position coaches.
LBs he drafts / new LB coach
OL he drafts / new OL coach
All offensive players he drafts / new OC
December 31st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
so do we save ANY money by releasing cp?
pryor showed a fight absent in leinert and lacking by cp toward the end of the season.
pryor got rid of the ball to avoid getting hit and threw the ball away to avoid mistakes unlike say cp or michael vick
is cp better than pryor now, yes, but by the end of next year can pryor be a better option for us?
December 31st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Knapp, very big problem, but our WRs are problem #2 on offense. No game changers, route runners, or red zone playmakers. We need a number one WR bad, been since 2005 that a WR had 8 Tds catches. look at what Dez bryant did in half a season.
I feel with the right OL coach and OC our OL can be restored . Get a legit #1 WR reggie, please
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We really messed up by not bringing in Chad Johnson or TO or Plax this offseason. They could have been had on the cheap.
Then again, without a “leader” on this team, those clowns might have made things worse. But as for the play on the field, all 3 would have been a upgrade.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Riff,
Knapp got fired at the end of the season, so that means the GM/ HC also blamed the OC and not the talent, correct?
O Knows best!
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C’mon O. You know damn well that DA was saving his job. Knapp was a fallout guy.
You dont have to read between the lines to know where DA stands. He wants players to execute and without it, nothing will change.
DA isnt blaming Knapp. But what choice did he have. This was a vanity firing. It had to be done to appease Mark.
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That would make sense if he was in the 3rd year/ lady year of his 4 year contract. I doubt he fired his friend after his 1st season (with 3 more years in his contract) to save his job.
Knapp got fired because he sucks. He sucked in ATL, Seattle, and here (2).
Eff you Knapp!!
December 31st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Btw, Raider Riff been owning it for the last few hours on here. Great posting.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Last* year
December 31st, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
so do we save ANY money by releasing cp?
pryor showed a fight absent in leinert and lacking by cp toward the end of the season.
pryor got rid of the ball to avoid getting hit and threw the ball away to avoid mistakes unlike say cp or michael vick
is cp better than pryor now, yes, but by the end of next year can pryor be a better option for us?
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TP has a lot of work to do before he can be a better option.
He probably will never be a better “pure passer”. In fact, I’d wager that he never will. Palmer is really good at slinging the rock. Had the best coaching since he was a kid.
But with what you said Pryor can do with his legs, he covers up a lot of this teams problems. He converts 3rd downs Gannon-style and shows a lot of fight, again, Gannon-style. And we need that.
I dont think we really save any money getting rid of CP. Word is that by trading or cutting we take a MAJOR hit. Best chance is to restructure.
And plus, since we have yet another OC coming in, Pryor will absolutely need Palmer there to help him continue to develop. 3 offensive systems in 3 years. Just a dumb way to develop a young QB. You wont find ANY QB in history that has succeeded in that sort of environment.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
The offensive players knew the season was over the minute knapp asked Palmer to roll out. They tried to stay positive, but when you know your fate is in the hands of a moron like knapp, it is difficult to give 100%.
If the team brings in a legit oc, you will be shocked in the change in attitude, body language, and effort of all our offensive players.
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
i hoped pryor would do good but didn’t believe it. based on one start i’d guess he’ll be a starter in this league and the sky’s the limit. benching him another year will stunt his growth…
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
“Tim Brown never led this team.”
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Head coach was losing the team. Talking behind coach’s back. Airing dirty laundry. Head coach Joe Bugel calls a team meeting to tell team if you have something to say, say it here, now. Not afterwards to every Tom Dick and HarryPotter.
Tim Brown stands up and says he has a whole list of grievances. Whole team backs him by. Room became very vocal due to Bugel’s bizarre handling of team.
Joe Bugel: “MEETINGS OVER”
Tim became a leader that day.
BTW, true story. Names have not been changed to protect the innocent.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
How I would fix the Raiders in 2013…
Hire Norv as OC, or Whisenhunt, or Trestman, or even some of the Saints offensive position coaches having learned under Payton, someone with more creativity and vertical intentions, who understand multiple packages like Payton (a true hybrid HC).
Open the checkbook for Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings.
Discard Criner, Moore, DHB.
Ford as return man. Or draft Denard Robinson or Tavon Austin as return man/slot receiver.
Trade guys like Branch Shaughnessy Brisiel, etc. Get whatever you can in late rounders.
Whatever picks you have, focus on OL, 3-4 NT and 3-4 OLB. Try and sign a couple FA Vet safeties/CBs.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
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that’s definitely something else i considered, but do you think pryor will be a starter and if so do you keep him on the bench for another year?
December 31st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Lane Kiffin
Tom Cable
Hue Jackson
Lovie Smith
Michael Bush = coach killer
December 31st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Riff,
Knapp got fired at the end of the season, so that means the GM/ HC also blamed the OC and not the talent, correct?
O Knows best!
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C’mon O. You know damn well that DA was saving his job. Knapp was a fallout guy.
You dont have to read between the lines to know where DA stands. He wants players to execute and without it, nothing will change.
DA isnt blaming Knapp. But what choice did he have. This was a vanity firing. It had to be done to appease Mark.
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That would make sense if he was in the 3rd year/ lady year of his 4 year contract. I doubt he fired his friend after his 1st season (with 3 more years in his contract) to save his job.
Knapp got fired because he sucks. He sucked in ATL, Seattle, and here (2).
Eff you Knapp!!
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Keep hammering on Knapp. Whatever you say about him, our players were worse.
Briesel was a bust. Bruce Campbell and Barksdale were failures. We have no depth at the O-Line.
Our WR’s were attrocious.
DMC was a bum all year. Proven a fact when Goodson and Stewart and Marcell came in and made our run game all of a sudden effective. DMC comes back from injury and all of a sudden the run game is crap again. Not the OC’s fault.
Players make coaches look good, or look bad. You’ll never get that because youre myopic and have a agenda. But go ahead, 7 coaches in 10 years and mostly the same bum players and you still think its the coaches faults.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
412, I have no problem answering your question… but first let me know, are you the real Kell or the bizarro/funny Kell?
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If I was the real Kell it would have been a one sentence comment, ending with calling you a dumbass.
Wait.
That was a one sentence comment, ending in dumbass.
Ok, let’s start over…
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
The offensive players knew the season was over the minute knapp asked Palmer to roll out. They tried to stay positive, but when you know your fate is in the hands of a moron like knapp, it is difficult to give 100%.
If the team brings in a legit oc, you will be shocked in the change in attitude, body language, and effort of all our offensive players.
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
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That excuse might be valid if you were to ignore 2010 and 2011 where our players pulled the same crap.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
by the way anyone see the usc gt game? wittek was worse than jamarcus in that one, not even close on his throws, absolutely horrible
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
I truely believe if you get a great OC in here like Norvell this stuff about we don’t hav ethis we don’t have that is over.
What I don’t think you understand is this team was sooo poorly coached it shows on the field. marcel couldn’t say it but that is what he meant. Players performed way under their ability because of lack of coordination discipline and direction.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Psst… when your punter is your team leader, your team is in deep doo doo…here’s your sign.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Les Miles needs to go watch film immediately. He can start with Today’s Dennis Allen presser.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
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that’s definitely something else i considered, but do you think pryor will be a starter and if so do you keep him on the bench for another year?
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After seeing those rainbow passes, I tell Pryor to study the route tree and when practicing with Palmer, practice catching. He might be a starter very soon if he makes the right career decision.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
“It had to be done to appease Mark.”
Doubt it. The firing had to be done to appease those with the loudest voices. The fans, and the reporters who love pointing out what pisses off us fans.
Every Raider board had numerous threads..LOTS OF THEM calling for Knapp to be canned. Months ago they started, coming to a crescendo.
Real easy to see this was the most popular firing in the Bay Area in decades.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
How I would fix the Raiders in 2013…
Hire Norv as OC, or Whisenhunt, or Trestman, or even some of the Saints offensive position coaches having learned under Payton, someone with more creativity and vertical intentions, who understand multiple packages like Payton (a true hybrid HC).
Open the checkbook for Dwayne Bowe, Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings.
Discard Criner, Moore, DHB.
Ford as return man. Or draft Denard Robinson or Tavon Austin as return man/slot receiver.
Trade guys like Branch Shaughnessy Brisiel, etc. Get whatever you can in late rounders.
Whatever picks you have, focus on OL, 3-4 NT and 3-4 OLB. Try and sign a couple FA Vet safeties/CBs.
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All solid moves.
Mitchell proved this year that Branch is expendable. He worked his butt off to earn playing time with DA and was no longer a liabiity by seasons end. Filled in nicely.
But buyer beware, its a contract year. All players do that when their future in the league is on the line. Example? See Branch last year. He was all-world.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:20 pm
“It had to be done to appease Mark.”
Doubt it. The firing had to be done to appease those with the loudest voices. The fans, and the reporters who love pointing out what pisses off us fans.
Every Raider board had numerous threads..LOTS OF THEM calling for Knapp to be canned. Months ago they started, coming to a crescendo.
Real easy to see this was the most popular firing in the Bay Area in decades.
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You may be right. Whatever the case, my point still stands. DA didnt really think Knapp was the problem. He had to do something to appease the mob. But he knows that the players have to improve or he will be next.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
The offensive players knew the season was over the minute knapp asked Palmer to roll out. They tried to stay positive, but when you know your fate is in the hands of a moron like knapp, it is difficult to give 100%.
If the team brings in a legit oc, you will be shocked in the change in attitude, body language, and effort of all our offensive players.
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
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That excuse might be valid if you were to ignore 2010 and 2011 where our players pulled the same crap.
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Dakota I agree 1000% this team was poorly coached. The guy we had calling plays and gameplanning is the worse the game has to offer.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Discipline greatly improved under Dennis, execution did not; now Dennis must coordinate the two.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Players performed way under their ability because of lack of coordination discipline and direction.
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Thats hilarious. It truly is. Because its not like this team was full of discipline and direction the previous 9 seasons.
These players wouldnt know personal discipline or direction if you drew them a map with color crayons.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Players make coaches look good, or look bad. You’ll never get that because youre myopic and have a agenda. But go ahead, 7 coaches in 10 years and mostly the same bum players and you still think its the coaches faults.
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LOL
His offense struggled to score with 4 different teams, he was a qb coach before we hired him, and you want to blame the talent and you think I have an agenda?
I never said we don’t lack talent/ impact players, but whatever talent we had regressed with Knapp because due to his lack of creativity among other issues. Why is that so hard to understand, or do you have an agenda?
December 31st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
The offensive players knew the season was over the minute knapp asked Palmer to roll out. They tried to stay positive, but when you know your fate is in the hands of a moron like knapp, it is difficult to give 100%.
If the team brings in a legit oc, you will be shocked in the change in attitude, body language, and effort of all our offensive players.
Pryor played with energy because it was his first start ever. Knapp would have drained his life-force after about three games too.
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That excuse might be valid if you were to ignore 2010 and 2011 where our players pulled the same crap.
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Dakota I agree 1000% this team was poorly coached. The guy we had calling plays and gameplanning is the worse the game has to offer.
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Yep, totally his fault that our WRs cant catch. SMH.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Players make coaches look good, or look bad. You’ll never get that because youre myopic and have a agenda. But go ahead, 7 coaches in 10 years and mostly the same bum players and you still think its the coaches faults.
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LOL
His offense struggled to score with 4 different teams, he was a qb coach before we hired him, and you want to blame the talent and you think I have an agenda?
I never said we don’t lack talent/ impact players, but whatever talent we had regressed with Knapp because due to his lack of creativity among other issues. Why is that so hard to understand, or do you have an agenda?
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There’s nothting to “understand”. Im not buying what yorue selling because its not true. The game tape dont lie.
You blame him for Atlanta but Vick is a coach killer. And Knapp never was a problem in SF.
I get it, you dont like the guy. His personality or look somehow rubs you the wrong way. But if you take the blinders off and examine things objectively, you see that as mediocre as Knapp is, our players were WAY worse.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Thankfully Knapp & Hoffman are no longer Raider coaches.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Knapp due to his …..
No because, sorry.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Pryor = Ronald curry, but with twice the potential to be a good wr.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
If Mike McCoy gets a HC job this offseason he will get it based off his work with Tebow. This year he’s just staying out of Peyton Manning’s way and impersonating Milli Vanilli on game days because I’m sure his headset is not turned on.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Pryor = Ronald curry, but with twice the potential to be a good wr.
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Pryor = the ultimate Raider. Because of his uncharted will to win.
He has the fire burning in him that Gannon had. You know, the one that Al always talked about.
Pryor will work himself from super raw QB prospect with barely a hope or deserving chance at making this team to one day starting for us.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Dakota quit while your ahead…lol
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Players want to be coached they want to get better and when they notice the guy coaching them is incapable of helping them do that they lose focus and it shows on the field.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Pryor is just fun to watch. You cant argue that.
I get excited about watching and rooting for the kid. I wish him the best success.
I thought very little of him this past offseason but due to my battles with RaiderO I made sure to keep a close eye on Pryor and he has changed my opinion of him.
From immature punk idiot to hard working and humble desire to be great. You absolutely have to root for this kid. Every interview I see makes me more of a fan.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Players make coaches look good, or look bad. You’ll never get that because youre myopic and have a agenda. But go ahead, 7 coaches in 10 years and mostly the same bum players and you still think its the coaches faults.
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LOL
His offense struggled to score with 4 different teams, he was a qb coach before we hired him, and you want to blame the talent and you think I have an agenda?
I never said we don’t lack talent/ impact players, but whatever talent we had regressed with Knapp because due to his lack of creativity among other issues. Why is that so hard to understand, or do you have an agenda?
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There’s nothting to “understand”. Im not buying what yorue selling because its not true. The game tape dont lie.
You blame him for Atlanta but Vick is a coach killer. And Knapp never was a problem in SF.
I get it, you dont like the guy. His personality or look somehow rubs you the wrong way. But if you take the blinders off and examine things objectively, you see that as mediocre as Knapp is, our players were WAY worse.
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You can lead the horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Allen says Al Saunders is under consideration for OC next year.
Translation:
Allen will seek out two HC with offensive backgrounds that just got fired (Whisenhunt, Gailey, Norv) and if he gets turned down he will settle for Saunders.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Did Rex Ryan ‘retire’? Just curious.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Only passes Pryor should be throwing are trick end arounds. I can’t wait to see him on the field, he just has to give up on the dream that he has where People who can’t throw are somehow going to be starting qbs!
December 31st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Players want to be coached they want to get better and when they notice the guy coaching them is incapable of helping them do that they lose focus and it shows on the field.
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And those are the types of insubordinate quitters that this reggime needs to rid the locker room of.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Players want to be coached they want to get better and when they notice the guy coaching them is incapable of helping them do that they lose focus and it shows on the field.
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I know it is unusual, but priest is right….
December 31st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Players want to be coached they want to get better and when they notice the guy coaching them is incapable of helping them do that they lose focus and it shows on the field.
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Word!
December 31st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
My all-time favorite Raiders…. (not the guys that were the “best” but the guys that were my favorites)
Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Nap Kaufman
Rich Gannon
….and now TP6 is being added to that list.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
How can you not like TP?
He is a hard worker, he says the right things, and we still have CP under contract so we have another year to develop him.
Haters!
December 31st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Dakota Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Players want to be coached they want to get better and when they notice the guy coaching them is incapable of helping them do that they lose focus and it shows on the field.
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I know it is unusual, but priest is right….
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No he isnt. Youre only saying that because it suits your agenda.
If you look at things objectively and see all the franchises that are successful, you see they NEVER let the inmates run the asylum.
The Jerry Jones/Al Davis way of putting players above coaches does not work in this league.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
My all-time favorite Raiders…. (not the guys that were the “best” but the guys that were my favorites)
Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Nap Kaufman
Rich Gannon
….and now TP6 is being added to that list.
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Hey now. Plunkett was a warrior who is still a Raider. Dudes got more nuts and bolts in his body right now than a lot of cars. He took a beating over his career.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
For the first time in 14 years, the Eagles are looking for a head coach. According to Howard Eskin of FOX 29 and WIP radio, owner Jeffrey Lurie’s initial list has five names on it.
The candidates are, per Eskin, Penn State coach Bill O’Brien, Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, and Oregon coach Chip Kelly.
All six candidates are offensive coaches. They also are all white, which means that under the Rooney Rule the Eagles will have to interview at least one minority candidate. Which will move the list to at least six candidates.
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Very good caliber of coaches that the Eagle’s GM/Owner are eying.
The Eagles will be another team who bounce back after clearing out their coaching staff and half the roster, that we’ll look back on and say, why not us.
Shame Reggie is not at least investigating all options for HC too. So much coaching talent available this off-season.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Oh happy day……
December 31st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Raider O Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
How can you not like TP?
He is a hard worker, he says the right things, and we still have CP under contract so we have another year to develop him.
Haters!
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I think a lot of the hate towards TP6 is due to some form of Mistic-backlash.
Mistic is so annoying with his racist black QB crusade that he is just doing more harm to his cause than good.
Outside of this blog the rest of the Nation loves TP. The people here that blast him only do so to get under Mistics skin or simply to try and balance out the insanity. It’s undestandable to some degree.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Watch Gruden go to the Eagles. Damn.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Vehldeer Wisniewski (new center) Nix (new right tackle)
Barnes & Bergstrom backups plus another backup.
Brisiel traded.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
For the first time in 14 years, the Eagles are looking for a head coach. According to Howard Eskin of FOX 29 and WIP radio, owner Jeffrey Lurie’s initial list has five names on it.
The candidates are, per Eskin, Penn State coach Bill O’Brien, Falcons offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman, Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians, and Oregon coach Chip Kelly.
All six candidates are offensive coaches. They also are all white, which means that under the Rooney Rule the Eagles will have to interview at least one minority candidate. Which will move the list to at least six candidates.
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Very good caliber of coaches that the Eagle’s GM/Owner are eying.
The Eagles will be another team who bounce back after clearing out their coaching staff and half the roster, that we’ll look back on and say, why not us.
Shame Reggie is not at least investigating all options for HC too. So much coaching talent available this off-season.
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The Eagles have a rude awakening coming.
Andy Reid is one of the best. Coached under some very difficult circumstances.
Grass aint always greener. Mark my words.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
My all-time favorite Raiders…. (not the guys that were the “best” but the guys that were my favorites)
Bo Jackson
Tim Brown
Nap Kaufman
Rich Gannon
….and now TP6 is being added to that list.
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Hey now. Plunkett was a warrior who is still a Raider. Dudes got more nuts and bolts in his body right now than a lot of cars. He took a beating over his career.
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Oh, Im not knockingn Plunkett. I got nothing against the cat. He’s just before my time.
Of the old guys that I like, my favs are Ted Hendricks, Alzado, Tatum, Howie, and Greg Townsend.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Riff, I don’t have a lot of energy for this but let me put it this way. It’s not about quitting or being insubordinate at all. The NFL is such a tough deal that even when you are at your best, winning is very hard. When you have a coach who’s players don’t buy into his ability or system they give it there all but when things don’t get better they lose hope. It’s not quitting it’s human.
When you know every team you play has a better chance to win than you because of the idiot who holds the reigns you simply cannot function at peak capacity.
All players want to win but can’t someone will lose. I said this months ago that this team was demoralized that doesn’t mean they quit it means they know they are handicapped. You do not lose 6 games in a row without there being some degree of dysfunction and Knapp was it to a large degree.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
My favorites in no particular order:
Howie
Wiz
Mosebar
Tim brown
Marcus
Bo
Steve smith
December 31st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Riff, I don’t have a lot of energy for this but let me put it this way. It’s not about quitting or being insubordinate at all. The NFL is such a tough deal that even when you are at your best, winning is very hard. When you have a coach who’s players don’t buy into his ability or system they give it there all but when things don’t get better they lose hope. It’s not quitting it’s human.
When you know every team you play has a better chance to win than you because of the idiot who holds the reigns you simply cannot function at peak capacity.
All players want to win but can’t someone will lose. I said this months ago that this team was demoralized that doesn’t mean they quit it means they know they are handicapped. You do not lose 6 games in a row without there being some degree of dysfunction and Knapp was it to a large degree.
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It’s not that I dont agree with that. What you wrote is spot on.
But you cant blame the OC for Streaters fumble against SD or Kelly’s dumb penalties.
You cant blame the OC for Romac sabotaging us for most of his career. Or DHB’s dropsies that have been a problem since long before Knapp.
Ya, we were handicapped, its called letting a senile old man bust up your draft the past 9 years. That is why we sucked. NO TALENT.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Andy Reid is an excellent coach, to be sure.
But sometimes it’s time to move on to a newer organization. Things get too stale.
Eg, Fisher to Rams.
Eagles have put together an excellent top-shelf list of candidates there. Whoever they choose they’ll bounce back straight away, and again see sustained regular season success.
My main point…Reggie should not be tied to Allen. There’s so many better HC candidates out there this year. Remember, Reggie hired Allen late in the season, he didn’t get much time or have that many candidates. So many got hired before, and that meant a lot of position coaches and co-ordinators got snapped up.
Reggie should be re-opening the HC position, at least privately by phone, gauging whether one of the better ones is interested. THEN decide whether to stick with Allen or not.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Only guys I have watched live that is….
December 31st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
You’ve got to love South Park….the 99%ers are Occupying the Restroom at Red Robin!
December 31st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
I hope the Iggles don’t take O’Brien, he’s been a breath of fresh air in this town.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
folks speculating palmer would restructure his contract for less money are out of their minds…..$13M for a QB who threw for 4000 yards is market value….he may restructure for more guaranty money to lessen the cap hit but not for less overall money……what would be his motivation…….if the raiders waived him he would be a free agent and get a big signing bonus from someone….more than $13M…..TP was fun to watch but once DC’s get some film on him he will get destroyed with the lollipops he tosses
to big a cap hit with no viable better option….palmer is the raider QB next year….now we need to find a OC who will utilize palmers strengths and not make him carry the burden of the entire O
December 31st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Pryor was “fun to watch” in the last meaningless game of a dismal season. But his act would lose its appeal real quick if he was starting the season off throwing for 150 yards a game with a 72 rating. Those td rainbow duck passes would more often be the 4th and 6th picks of the day, and u guys would be crying about how awful it is to be a raiders fan.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Btw, doubt it’s a big name OC. Can’t have a coordinator overshadowing the 2nnd year head coach. Look for an up and comer.
December 31st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
No one is blaming Knapp for missed blocks qnd drops or ints. What we are talking about is leadership direction coordination when they know there is subpar coaching players know what that looks like and it affects them. That’s all..
December 31st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Maybe a big name OC is the ticket tho…if Allen fails first month or two of 2013, we can replace him with the big name high caliber OC
December 31st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
fvck it DA is out next tear anyways…he barely survived today…
December 31st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Happy New Year, all!!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RBs:
Reece & Stewart
Taiwan remains Raiders gunner on special teams coverage units.
Two new RBs.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Priest–I don’t think u understand what coaches do.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Taiwan is moving to cb.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Btw, doubt it’s a big name OC. Can’t have a coordinator overshadowing the 2nnd year head coach. Look for an up and comer.
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I agree that DAs eggshelled ego could suffer with a professional OC. But that is exactly what I’d want. A smart OC could make DA look smart. Go figure.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
No one is blaming Knapp for missed blocks qnd drops or ints. What we are talking about is leadership direction coordination when they know there is subpar coaching players know what that looks like and it affects them. That’s all..
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Um, youre wrong. People here are clearly blaming Knapp for the missed blocks and drops and dumb penalties etc. The moment you think Knapp is the biggest problem you are instantly absolving our players of their poor play on even the simplest things.
Knapp gets banged on for “lack of creativity” but he started the year off with a end around to Taiwan that would have gone to the house and instead our dumba55 fullback couldnt execute a simple pitch.
Randy Moss had every right to throw our old reggime under the bus and quit on this franchise. Jerry Rice had every right to quit on Norv Turner and demand a release. Why? Those players EARNED THAT RIGHT. Denarius Moore will be out of this league and long forgotten in no time. I dont want to hear about some 2nd year bum getting “discouraged” and running lazy routes because he’s not inspired by the OC. Fvck that. Sack up and play your a55 off like you want to be here.
Romo would have kicked any players a55 in his hey day that wasnt playing hard for the coaches. Denarius would have been 2nd only to Rolando to get his eye socket kicked in.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
No one is blaming Knapp for missed blocks qnd drops or ints. What we are talking about is leadership direction coordination when they know there is subpar coaching players know what that looks like and it affects them. That’s all..
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And play book design and play calling.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I’m not against it. I just doubt it.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I cant believe how hard you contradict yourself Priest.
You say its not Knapps fault for the dumb mistakes of execution by our players but then in the same sentence you say the players are just demoralized becasue of the OC.
Make up your mind.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
im blaming knapp for the rain and hail yesterday…
December 31st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Palmer is a much better QB if he isn’t operating in an offense with the 28th ranked running game. To throw for over 4000 yds when everyone knows you are going to throw the ball because you have no run game and you are down by 20+ points is actually quite an accomplishment.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Moore will be dealt. He has some cache and we have better receivers.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Bogle vineyards zinfandel is the best 12 dollar bottle of wine money can buy.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Palmer is a much better QB if he isn’t operating in an offense with the 28th ranked running game. To throw for over 4000 yds when everyone knows you are going to throw the ball because you have no run game and you are down by 20+ points is actually quite an accomplishment.
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Receivers drop balls…… passing game stalls……. defense knows it only has to key in on the run…… run game gets shut down…….. offense is dead.
Pretty simple.
GET US A REAL WR! FIND ME THE NEXT TIM BROWN DAMMIT!
December 31st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Streater possibility of being a number one if continues to improve;
Moore still a keeper, especially if he rebounds, he was still dynamic at times; only trade him if we can get a 2nd;
DHB, plays like a TE, so go eat steaks and chops gain some weight and become an elite TE.
Hagan & Criner are okay.
Reggie needs to sign Jennings or Wallace, (no to Bowe).
December 31st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Moore will be dealt. He has some cache and we have better receivers.
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I wont shed a tear.
Im bummed it didnt work out though. Kid has loads of talent. Needs to snap out of whatever funk he’s in before its all over.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Palmer impressed me a lot. We are seeing a good qb in his actual prime. Not his physical prime but his mental prime. He made some amazingly quick reads and decisions. He forced a few mainly cuz it was all in him. Give him a good run game, protection, and quality wrs, and u will see what a real good qb looks like.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
it would be nice to upgrade the O but thats a luxury…top priorities are DT, edge rusher and CB
December 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Maybe we can get a legit #2 running back to establish a legit ground game to open up the passing game with a good design. Palmer without a legit ground game is not all that. But get him that legit ground game and I bet he’d be pretty darned good. Need that good power ground game.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Well, gents, this far too exciting for me, so I’m gonna relurk and hit the rack!
KK, thanks for the chuckles.
‘Night, all.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Happy New Year
December 31st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Reggie likes big wrs. Moore is out I think. Wouldn’t surprise me if he does go get a legit #1 thru fa.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
CP3 is good for TP6. He can teach him leadership, proper preparation and how to throw the ball. TP6 has some real attributes but he’s not yet ready to become a full time starting NFL QB. He’d be well advised to do what Al Davis told him – wait & learn, your time will come. There’s no reason TP6 can’t be the #2 QB next year.
It seems that most of CP3’s scores come from outside the 20. We should consider letting TP6 come in when they are in the red zone – Kaepernick style. He was 3 for 3 this last week, a TD each time, and he definitely adds a new effective element when in close.
TP6 needs to improve his throwing techniques & accuracy. There are times for floaters and there are times when a bullet on a string is required. He needs to be able to throw all types of passes before he becomes a starter. I really believe CP3 will be a big mentor for TP6. In 3 years TP6 can move up to starter and we’ll be set for the next decade. I believe that in 2015, TP6 will be 25 or 26 years old. Just about right for a franchise QB.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Streater possibility of being a number one if continues to improve;
Moore still a keeper, especially if he rebounds, he was still dynamic at times; only trade him if we can get a 2nd;
DHB, plays like a TE, so go eat steaks and chops gain some weight and become an elite TE.
Hagan & Criner are okay.
Reggie needs to sign Jennings or Wallace, (no to Bowe).
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Streater has shown flashes. But we’ve seen that before (Porter, Curry, Louis, Denarius, etc).
Can he show improvement though? He still drops too many for my liking. But so did Jerry Rice early on. Streater isnt on notice yet, but he isnt in the clear yet.
Hagan deserves to stick around. He does his job when he gets playing time. Criner does too.
We wont get a 2nd for Denarius. Remember what we got Moss for and then traded him for? Not much. Denarius isnt even in the same league. Regardless, Im tired of waiting for our WR’s to “bounce back”. Like you said, go get us a top FA. And I say that as someone who thinks that the WR is the least important position on the field. But damn we are just so poor at that position Im ok with us spending the cash on the right guy.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
im blaming knapp for the rain and hail yesterday…
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Well the clouds just parted and we got sunshine and blue sky’s now. Hallelujah.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
TEs: Gordon solid STs player okay as #3 TE;
Meyers probably goes somewhere else as FA, gettin while it’s hot dough
Need two TEs
Ausberry could get a late draft pick or be combined with one to move up in the draft.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
JB Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
CP3 is good for TP6. He can teach him leadership, proper preparation and how to throw the ball. TP6 has some real attributes but he’s not yet ready to become a full time starting NFL QB. He’d be well advised to do what Al Davis told him – wait & learn, your time will come. There’s no reason TP6 can’t be the #2 QB next year.
It seems that most of CP3’s scores come from outside the 20. We should consider letting TP6 come in when they are in the red zone – Kaepernick style. He was 3 for 3 this last week, a TD each time, and he definitely adds a new effective element when in close.
TP6 needs to improve his throwing techniques & accuracy. There are times for floaters and there are times when a bullet on a string is required. He needs to be able to throw all types of passes before he becomes a starter. I really believe CP3 will be a big mentor for TP6. In 3 years TP6 can move up to starter and we’ll be set for the next decade. I believe that in 2015, TP6 will be 25 or 26 years old. Just about right for a franchise QB.
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Two things about your post….
1st. Cant bring in TP cold to take over in the redzone. It’s a horrible idea and messes up both QBs rythmn. It never works.
2nd. Pryor threw some bullets yesterday and the first 3 were all on the mark and dropped. If he wasnt throwing the floaters than he might not have had any completions.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
TEs: Gordon solid STs player okay as #3 TE;
Meyers probably goes somewhere else as FA, gettin while it’s hot dough
Need two TEs
Ausberry could get a late draft pick or be combined with one to move up in the draft.
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You dont want to keep Ausberry?
He seemed to deliver any time he had the ball thrown to him.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Maybe we can get a legit #2 running back to establish a legit ground game to open up the passing game with a good design. Palmer without a legit ground game is not all that. But get him that legit ground game and I bet he’d be pretty darned good. Need that good power ground game.
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We’ll never establish a run game with our current WR core.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Palmer impressed me a lot. We are seeing a good qb in his actual prime. Not his physical prime but his mental prime. He made some amazingly quick reads and decisions. He forced a few mainly cuz it was all in him. Give him a good run game, protection, and quality wrs, and u will see what a real good qb looks like.
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100% agreed.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I’d rather trade McFadden than Moore.
Moore is a good player badly coached. Potential is there.
Dmac is expendable, you can get good rushing production with average RBs and great OLs.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
FSU’s Werner or A&M’s Moore, either one available with the 3rd overall, draft him, if not move back.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Btw, here’s an article from 2010 about the 5 worst GMs. Not because Al is listed there, but some insightful comments for each of the 5 GMs mentioned.
http://voices.yahoo.com/the-worst-general-managers-nfl-history-5208141.html
December 31st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
GG Says: .
Moore is a good player badly coached.
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And you know this how?
December 31st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
FSU’s Werner or A&M’s Moore, either one available with the 3rd overall, draft him, if not move back.
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I want A&Ms Moore. That should fill one of our major 3 holes.
CB and WR are next.
Get the WR in FA.
Our other holes are at RT & LB
It’s conceivable to fill all of them if we cut enough of the wack contract scholarship types like Kelly, Seymour, Briesel, Rolando, and Lechler.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
I like Ausberry, I just don’t see him as a Raider next season.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Happy New Year
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December 31st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Swamp Master Yoda Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Maybe we can get a legit #2 running back to establish a legit ground game to open up the passing game with a good design. Palmer without a legit ground game is not all that. But get him that legit ground game and I bet he’d be pretty darned good. Need that good power ground game.
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I believe we’ll see a return of the power blocking scheme. That combined with a real play caller should improve things like the running game dramatically. If you listened to DA’s presser this AM, he aid he’s NOT tied to the ZBS. That’s a good thing. Let’s get Bob Wylie & Wiz 1.o back in here to run the O-line and the train will be back on the tracks. A good play calling OC will make CP3 & TP6 a dynamic duo. DMac, if still here, will be relevant, once again. Then all we will need is some WR’s that can catch the ball.
The D will come around as soon as we get Star Lotulelei & a couple of other D players from the draft & FA. I expect Seymour to go & Kelly traded. Bryant & Lotulelei in the middle should shore the D-line up. The LB corp seems to be coming around and our backfield will be upgraded.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
It’s not a coach ’s job to get a players attitude right. They’re not babies. It’s on him. No one else. Moore is acting like a little b1tch. Get him outta here.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Wow. I forgot we got a 2nd and a 3rd for Buchanon when we traded him. That is hilarious.
I liked Philip, but damn we fleeced Houston.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Interesting new stats page on Football Outsiders.
Tracking snap counts that are sortable by year, player, team, etc.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts2012
December 31st, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
It’s not a coach ’s job to get a players attitude right. They’re not babies. It’s on him. No one else. Moore is acting like a little b1tch. Get him outta here.
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Yep.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:57 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Pryor staying…thats where the trend is going
“For all the talk about the Young Guns, five of the six quarterbacks can run. That will create nightmares for defensive coordinators trying to prepare on short notice.
Three read-option quarterbacks made it: RG III, Kaepernick and Wilson. Ponder isn’t afraid to run, and Rodgers will use his feet to get a first down if he spots a defense in man coverage. The only pure pocket passer is Ryan. Ryan has run 32 times this year, so he will use his feet only if necessary.”
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8794323/2012-nfl-playoffs-nfc-deep-gunners-runners
Never mind what Rod Woodson said…
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Oh sure. I mean he’s only a 17 yr Hall of Fame player.
We’ll just go with what some hack beat writers write.
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT IDIOTS DO..so, by all means, easily swayed child, be a lemming as only you can.
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Terrelle Pryor will be the backup QB for Carson Palmer, and all the whining and crying and name calling in the world isnt going to change that.
TURN THE PAGE.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
GG Says: .
Moore is a good player badly coached.
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And you know this how?
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Observation?
How would you know if Dmac is a good player in a scheme that doesnt fit him?
You witness and evaluate how they perform from year to year, play by play etc.
A lot of players regressed on offense this year that played better last year.
Moore finds the endzone well.
He isn’t crisp but he is slippery.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
FSU’s Werner or A&M’s Moore, either one available with the 3rd overall, draft him, if not move back.
=———
I want A&Ms Moore. That should fill one of our major 3 holes.
CB and WR are next.
Get the WR in FA.
Our other holes are at RT & LB
It’s conceivable to fill all of them if we cut enough of the wack contract scholarship types like Kelly, Seymour, Briesel, Rolando, and Lechler.
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National Football Post Mock is very different
they project Luke Matthews to us at 3
Geno Smith to 16TH to the Jets
Ezekial Ansah to 26th to the Colts
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
It’s as if you’ve never seen a poorly coached team, get a great coach then all of a sudden the same players who were mistake prone play very well.
See St Louis Rams, Seattle, Indy, San Fran and on and on. ASmith was turned into a pro-bowl calibre QB by a great coach. It happens all the time.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The Texans are having right side O-line problems. I wonder what they’d give us for a Briesel trade back to them. anyone think we could get a second round from them. I know nobody else would give a 2 but they might because he knows their system intimately and they liked him.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Mr Green Says:
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Just had to out do me, huh?
December 31st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
have fun guys….I’m done.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
GG Says: .
Moore is a good player badly coached.
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And you know this how?
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Observation?
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Observation? So you were at practice and in the film room?
His lazy routes and inability to understand the audibles had nothing to do with coaching. If anything it was the fact that it was his second system in as many years, that would explain his lack of understanding. But his lack of effort fall squarely on him.
Tim Brown played on some horrible Raider teams and you NEVER saw him slack. We should hold these current check cashers to higher standards.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Happy New Year!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
It’s as if you’ve never seen a poorly coached team, get a great coach then all of a sudden the same players who were mistake prone play very well.
See St Louis Rams, Seattle, Indy, San Fran and on and on. ASmith was turned into a pro-bowl calibre QB by a great coach. It happens all the time.
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St Louis Rams? So can Fisher coach or cant he? That is such a horrible example for your argument.
The Rams have a lot of talent. And Fisher left a joke of a franchise in Tenn and inherited a pretty good team and it makes him look pretty damn good doesnt it.
Fisher’s a good coach no dooubt. But he needs good players just like the rest.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
National Football Post Mock is very different
they project Luke Matthews to us at 3
Geno Smith to 16TH to the Jets
Ezekial Ansah to 26th to the Colts
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
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They show KC taking Star Lotulelei. I don’t think so. KC needs a QB more than anything else. That’s the main reason they are the #1 pick. I see us taking Star.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Happy New Years,
Knapp and his cronies are gone.
Pryor had a decent showing
Things are looking up for the RAAAAAIIIDDDDEEERSSSS
December 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
It’s as if you’ve never seen a poorly coached team, get a great coach then all of a sudden the same players who were mistake prone play very well.
See St Louis Rams, Seattle, Indy, San Fran and on and on. ASmith was turned into a pro-bowl calibre QB by a great coach. It happens all the time.
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True. Sometimes it’s the opposite. A decent coach looks like a genius when he has great players, especially a great QB.
See Mike Shannahan, Mike Holmgren, Dick Vermiel, even Bill Bellicheck.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Let the koolaide flow. When is the draft? How many more days? Can’t wait.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
“(Jerry Angelo) made a number of poor moves and trades until his eventual dismissal by Dan Snyder in 1999″
“first round draft of offensive tackle Chris Williams from Vanderbilt was mired in controversy as Angelo and team doctors knew Williams had a herniated disc before drafting him. It turned out to be a complete wasted pick”
“Somewhere along the way, Al Davis went completely insane, hired and fired coaches over and over again”
1. poor moves and trades
2. wasted draft picks
3. firing and hiring coaches over and over again
see the themes here?
December 31st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
JB you must have missed Geno Smith’s game the other day. He was horrible although the game was in the snow. My first thought was no way KC takes him #1 with the weather they have in KC.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Observation game day, obviously.
Practice is practice.
With the advent of coaches film and pause/rewind video services thru NFL.com, the last few years, one can assess these things themselves.
Of course, having football understanding also helps, and there’s also so much information and football coaching/scouting data and guides out there on the internet, like Football Post, Football Outsiders, Coach Huey, etc etc, that one can learn.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
JB Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
National Football Post Mock is very different
they project Luke Matthews to us at 3
Geno Smith to 16TH to the Jets
Ezekial Ansah to 26th to the Colts
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
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They show KC taking Star Lotulelei. I don’t think so. KC needs a QB more than anything else. That’s the main reason they are the #1 pick. I see us taking Star.
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Yeah, maybe they had enough of OL with top 5 picks…this time around, its defense. – Geno Smith stuck up the joint in the bowl game……no franchise QB in this one… they even have Mike Glennon at 7 to Buffalo?!
Way too early to speculate until combines and pro days roll around….
December 31st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
It’s as if you’ve never seen a poorly coached team,
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Not the case at all.
All of these coaches know the game and how to coach.
Most all firings are vanity firings done in order to re-ignite a fan base and sell tickets. The Xs and Os dont change that much.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Can’t wait till the combine. Stock in the draft will go up and down.
I know Reg is somewhat limited without a 2nd or 5th, but he needs to nail this one
December 31st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Happy New Years!!! to my Nation Brothers.
Was about to go outside and check out the show. They are killin it in my neighborhood. But much of it sounds too much like Real gunshots so I’ll stay inside and kick it with the wife and kids. Plus it’s so loud out there the kids are terrified.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
JB you must have missed Geno Smith’s game the other day. He was horrible although the game was in the snow. My first thought was no way KC takes him #1 with the weather they have in KC.
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I didn’t see that game but thee are other ways KC could get their QB. Having the #1 2013 pick has value. I’m sure they could entice some other team to make a trade for a current #1 or #2 QB. Anyway you look at it, they need a QB the most.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I really believe Reggie is trading down and will pick up that 2nd and possibly a 5th. I have a hunch the guy we really want first is Teo but he can be had around 15-20.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
What r we gonna talk about all offseason? Pryor? Palmer?
I wish I cared more about other sports. I used to be into basketball more……baseball is ok i guess.
The NEW USFL starts in 2014, CFL in June.
I hate the offseason; unless we have some exciting free agents to talk about.
I don’t know…
Only about 32 weeks till our first preseason game.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Observation game day, obviously.
Practice is practice.
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My point exactly. You are saying he’s poorly coached yet youre not at the practices to truly know if that is the case.
I appreciate your willingness to educate yourself with all of the football IQ resources available to fans today. It makes you a smarter fan than most.
But Denarius Moore has shown a disinterest from the start by showing up to camp out of condition and subsequently jacking up his hamstring. He took last offseason off and it cost him valuable practice time to better understand the system.
That is 100% on Denarius and nobody else.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Well, priest still thinks McClain just needs good coaching.
As for DMc, would Peterson struggle simply cuz of scheme? Gore? Foster?
Injuries have caught up with him and I don’t think he has the same burst. Every other back we ran did well. Goodson, Reece, even some kid named Jeremy Stewart for crying out loud.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
New USFL really?
I hope they allow fans to be the playcallers by voting on the plays XBox style from their computers. That would be fun.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Geno Smith will be best served drafted by an Indoor Team.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
HAPP NEW YEARS TO ALL MY RAIDER NATION BROTHEREN
December 31st, 2012 at 9:53 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I really believe Reggie is trading down and will pick up that 2nd and possibly a 5th. I have a hunch the guy we really want first is Teo but he can be had around 15-20.
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I could live with that. Reggie knows LBs. He did well with Burris. And we need a leader on defense. If Reggie thinks Teo can play, then so be it, I’ll take his word for it.
I think Teo is too slow. But at that draft spot, fvck it, its worth it.
But whatever the case, Teo wont improve our pass rush and we need a stud DE. I hate passing up on Moore.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Just saw a story that Gruden is going to interview for NFL jobs. And we’re stuck with Dennis freaking Allen. SMH.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
3 former Raiders are a part of that new USFL.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Just saw a story that Gruden is going to interview for NFL jobs. And we’re stuck with Dennis freaking Allen. SMH.
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You got to be kidding me.
FML.
December 31st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I’d like either two or trade down and take geno. I think geno will be a very good qb.
Adams and Ross have lessened the need for CB’s. and the resurgence if carter really helped the pass rush.
Reggie and Allen always said they thought coverage was the issue. And the defense has improved tremendously since those guys got in, combined with green beanie’s exit.
They have also said that the run game is a major issue. I could see brisiel being released since he sucked and knapp and pollack are gone, along with the zbs more than likely.
And while streater is good, he’s not a #1 yet. Dhb isn’t either. And criners just hoping to get more time. So I think a #1 wr could be a high priority in FA.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
So teo or warmack. Or trade down and get geno.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
What are we plebians missing out on? Was he watching the same fruitless plays? I’m going to have to write this sh!t I don’t get it I don’t care if Knapp is the nicest guy you’ve ever met. His play calling stinks! What is wrong with Jerry and Cork?
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
The Knapp firing is the fault of Dennis Allen, not Knapp. Allen wanted the exact scheme Knapp coached. He realized his mistake.
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Realize many hardcore Raider fans don’t care, but Greg Knapp is one of the real class acts in the business of coaching . . .
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd
Raiders’ OC Knapp preached patience, but patience of Dennis Allen ran out .
December 31st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
BOKNOWS Says: HAPP NEW YEARS TO you to!
December 31st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Fans are dying for an alternative football league. UFL was good, but poorly supported. I used to attend a number of XFL games in Nevada. That was a fun league.
We need a rival league again. Just like the AFL helped push the NFL out of the dark ages. We need another league to force the NFL to re-consider some things, even if the USFL wont usurp the NFL.
As for training vs games….what you see in games is the result of coaching. To suggest only viewing practice provides insight into how players are coached is in error.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
What are we plebians missing out on?
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What you are missing out on is that you equate execution with good play calling.
The fact is, you dont know what good play calling is. You dont understand what the coaches are gameplanning for and all the film they watch. There are next to no surprises come Sundays between the coaches.
It comes down to execution by the players. When you see a play executed well, the common fan says it was a great play call. When in fact, most play calls are good play calls its just that the nature of the randomness of the game dictates otherwise.
Very few guys have the ability to impact the game the way Norv and Hue can with their playcalling.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Sometimes players just suck. Bill parcels said: “sometimes u are what u are”.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
If you are a fan and you are only judging the coaches by the end result of the play, you are missing the game within the game by a long shot.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Did I say “only judging by the end result of the play”?
There’s so much to see pre-snap, and as the play develops. So much technique of OL, CB, LB, etc that is on display during the play.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
New USFL really?
I hope they allow fans to be the playcallers by voting on the plays XBox style from their computers. That would be fun.
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Yeah. I understand the Bay Area will have a team…the “Oakland Invaders”.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Happy New Years azz hats!!!
F Knapp, F Carson Palmer, F Big Dick Seymour, F McNinny
Go Terrelle Pryor
“Hammer can’t dance like my man grows plants”
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
GG Says:
As for training vs games….what you see in games is the result of coaching. To suggest only viewing practice provides insight into how players are coached is in error.
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Really? Then explain Tommy Kelly. You think he has never been told by a coach to NOT BE AN IDIOT?.
Or explain Rolando. Im sure he was poorly coached also right? (not the best example. He was put in the wrong scheme and had a new DC every year of his career).
The fact is, youre not at practice. You dont know how they were coached. If the coaching was as bad as you think it was then Knapp or anyone else would have been fired a long time ago. This isnt High School. These coaches know what they are doing in most cases.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Funny all the hate Dennis gets on this blog. People are so obsessed with instant gratification. No different than how Al was in the last decade. A great team cannot be built in a single season. This team has been so convoluted over the last several season, stability is needed to work out the kinks. Get real.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I was never really on the anti-knapp bandwagon but I questioned a lot of his play calling and I never thought he was innovative. He was just a copier of what others had done. The offense was a mess. He needed to go. The O-line was sub-par. Pollack needed to go. Special teams were a fiasco, starting with the Goethal debacle. Hoffman had to go. Holland surprised me, given the success of wheeler and Burris. It may have stemmed from the McClain issues though.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
New USFL really?
I hope they allow fans to be the playcallers by voting on the plays XBox style from their computers. That would be fun.
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Yeah. I understand the Bay Area will have a team…the “Oakland Invaders”.
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That was the old USFL.
No plans for the Bay Area this time around according to their Wiki page.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I was never really on the anti-knapp bandwagon but I questioned a lot of his play calling and I never thought he was innovative. He was just a copier of what others had done. The offense was a mess. He needed to go. The O-line was sub-par. Pollack needed to go. Special teams were a fiasco, starting with the Goethal debacle. Hoffman had to go. Holland surprised me, given the success of wheeler and Burris. It may have stemmed from the McClain issues though.
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All coaches copy each other.
Andy Reid was innovative. Got fired. So was Hue, got fired.
Innovation gets you canned in this league. It’s way to conservative. It’s human chess, you cant play this like its XBox.
Gruden was boring as hell and some alleged fans hated him for it. Go figure. He won games.
Hue’s playstation style play calling ruined our fan bases expectations.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Fans are dying for an alternative football league. UFL was good, but poorly supported. I used to attend a number of XFL games in Nevada. That was a fun league.
We need a rival league again. Just like the AFL helped push the NFL out of the dark ages. We need another league to force the NFL to re-consider some things, even if the USFL wont usurp the NFL.
As for training vs games….what you see in games is the result of coaching. To suggest only viewing practice provides insight into how players are coached is in error.
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Yes. How about a league that starts to gain popularity cuz they don’t have all the stupid rules of engagement the NFL has.
Was it Gaither they called a pers. foul for “leading with the helmet” on Rivers? What was he supposed to lead with…his feet?
Have players sign wavers and pay em decent wages and let em hit each other like they used to.
Goodell is trying to pussify the league.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Sometimes players do just suck. But Moore displayed a lot last year (not talking stats) that showcased he is a good WR with more potential. His route running isn’t crisp, but he was infinitely better than DHB, for instance, at selling routes, beating a jam, reading the spaces between zones, tracking balls over his shoulder and making plays on the ball — either coming forward hard off a hitch or positioning himself to the ball in a mid-air leap.
His play started to suffer during the middle of this season. Will grant you that it’s on Moore himself too, but there’s always coaching that plays an equal part — whether it’s bad relationship with, or poor instruction.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Imagine chance warmack on the left side with veldheer.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Umm… I’ll take DHB’s route running any day over Moore’s.
Moore rarely sells his routes. Is never crisp. And when he knows the play isnt designed for him gives a half a55 effort.
DHB always puts in the effort. He’s a pair of hands away from being one of the better receivers in the league.
GG, I like ya dude but give this one up.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Or explain Rolando. Im sure he was poorly coached also right? (not the best example. He was put in the wrong scheme and had a new DC every year of his career).
~~~~~How would you know he was put in the wrong scheme? Why would you suggest his ability is affected by scheme? Where do you get this guesswork from?
These coaches know what they are doing in most cases.
~~~~~How would you know if they know what they are doing or not? Are you at practice? And how can you say with confidence, “in most cases”? How would you know if in example x that the coaches know what they are doing, versus example y that the coaches don’t know what they are doing? Where do you get this idea from?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
578,
You’re right…my bad.
This USFL will be different as it will be a developmental league for the NFL, but will play in the “off” season.
Maybe a nice diversion.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
If Roger Goodell got hit by a mack truck tomorrow I’d drink a beer to it.
Fvck that a55hole.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong Raider Riff
I ain’t giving anything up. You haven’t proved/disproved anything. Just sprouting a PERCEPTION you have. Just like I’m sprouting a PERCEPTION I have.
See above #584 to illustrate all your info/perception comes from literature and anecdote on the net etc, as well as watching games.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Or explain Rolando. Im sure he was poorly coached also right? (not the best example. He was put in the wrong scheme and had a new DC every year of his career).
~~~~~How would you know he was put in the wrong scheme? Why would you suggest his ability is affected by scheme? Where do you get this guesswork from?
These coaches know what they are doing in most cases.
~~~~~How would you know if they know what they are doing or not? Are you at practice? And how can you say with confidence, “in most cases”? How would you know if in example x that the coaches know what they are doing, versus example y that the coaches don’t know what they are doing? Where do you get this idea from?
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Yeah, I have been to pro practices. And college ones. And spent most of my adult life around pro athletes and had these sorts of conversations.
I know what Im talking about here and its far from guesswork. You on the other hand can read all the PFT you want and you’ll never know what its like to be in the locker room or film room and see just how hard these coaches work and how much many of the players take it for granted. Theyre young, mostly dumb, and well paid.
“Well fed lions dont hunt” … dont ever forget that.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Most coaches know what they’re doing cuz this is the nfl. U don’t get a job there by accident.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Let’s not argue anyway.
Ok?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:28 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I was never really on the anti-knapp bandwagon but I questioned a lot of his play calling and I never thought he was innovative. He was just a copier of what others had done. The offense was a mess. He needed to go. The O-line was sub-par. Pollack needed to go. Special teams were a fiasco, starting with the Goethal debacle. Hoffman had to go. Holland surprised me, given the success of wheeler and Burris. It may have stemmed from the McClain issues though.
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I was also surprised about Holland.
One of the few bright spots this year has been the improved linebacker play.
Wheeler and Burris have been well coached – no one can deny this!
Holland was a linebacker coach in Houston for 5 years and apparently was well respected there.
Was it part of a culling of anyone with Houston connections?
Was it fall out from the argument between McClain and DA?
Was it a dissagreement over the defensive scheme?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Most coaches know what they’re doing cuz this is the nfl. U don’t get a job there by accident.
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Exactly.
And most owners are dumb fans just like most here and make knee jerk reactions and get instant results. The football world is not the same as the corporate business world. What works in one doesnt work in the other. Some owners spend a fortune figuring that out.
Patience is key here. IE: Robert Kraft.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Kiwi_Blade Says:
Wheeler and Burris have been well coached – no one can deny this!
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Were they that much better coached?
Or are we simply not used to seeing football players at that position? We dumped the “athletes” and got guys with an IQ above 40. Made a world of a difference didnt it.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
More assumptions by you, Riff.
You’re not the only person who’s been to pro/college practices. Have you forgotten people played football too?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
It’s okay to admit when you’re wrong Raider Riff
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I have no problem admitting when Im wrong. The problem is catching me in doing so. I do my homework and ask questions before I form opinions, and I let the facts dictate the truth rather than look for evidence to support my agenda.
It’s pretty hard to be wrong when you take that approach.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I would bet it stems from the McClain issue. Either Allen or Reggie were upset he couldn’t get anything from him or holland took mcclains side or something like that.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
More assumptions by you, Riff.
You’re not the only person who’s been to pro/college practices. Have you forgotten people played football too?
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If you have spent real time with teams, then you know what Im saying is true.
You wont find a coach or former player that will disagree with me. I speak to ‘em all the time. It’s part of my job.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Everyone wants to boast stripes smh.
Bottom line, I opine that I’d rather keep Moore than trade him, if it came down to him or McFadden.
I would rather have Wallace, Bowe and Jennings than DHB and Moore.
But I’d keep Moore otherwise.
You can opine differently. I aint gonna push myself over you and belittle your football knowledge like you did to me because you disagree.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I looked into Hollands record at Houston.
Did a stand up job there over 5 years.
Was well liked by the players.
This was the one move DA made that I’m uneasy about.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Usually coaches are fired for one of two reasons:
1) it becomes apparent it’s just not working and a change is needed, otherwise more of the same will occur. It’s just become a stale situation.
2) it becomes hard to imagine fans getting excited with no change. Andy Reid for example.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Hollands exit has to be related to McClain.
All other position coaches that weren’t fired could make a claim of some improvement. But while wheeler and Burris were standouts, the McClain thing was a major problem. That’s a big red flag to me.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Everyone wants to boast stripes smh.
Bottom line, I opine that I’d rather keep Moore than trade him, if it came down to him or McFadden.
I would rather have Wallace, Bowe and Jennings than DHB and Moore.
But I’d keep Moore otherwise.
You can opine differently. I aint gonna push myself over you and belittle your football knowledge like you did to me because you disagree.
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First of all, dont be offended. Take it as a learning experience. Im giving you some solid insight. You should use it to expand your perspective rather than get upset with me.
Secondly, I have no problem with anything you said in post 598. It’s when you start to say that Denarius is poorly coached and that is why he has half a55ed this year that I take notice and correct you.
DMoore showed up to camp unprepared and pulled his hammy as a result. Case closed. It doesnt take a high football IQ or a view of practice to know what went on. He got careless. He’s human. Hopefully he bounces back. But he has nobody to blame but himself.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
What are you right or wrong about? You havent even made a case. I told you his route-running isnt crisp but he does all those other things well…selling routes, finding spaces in the zones, tracking balls over his shoulder, making a play on the ball like pushing forward off a hitch or body positioning in a mid-air leap, and moxy to the endzone.
I gave you specific things to look for in film. All you said back was…he runs sloppy routes. And then a whole bunch of rah rah about how you went to pro practices and hang around athletes.
See? I gave instances/examples, still opinion, but gave them. You just gave opinion back and boasted about having attended practices in your life etc.
You also made the mistake of trying to boast about that, while demeaning the other person (not knowing what their football background is either).
December 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
cant wait till the rest if the staff is fired and reggie too….only a matter of time.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Hollands exit has to be related to McClain.
All other position coaches that weren’t fired could make a claim of some improvement. But while wheeler and Burris were standouts, the McClain thing was a major problem. That’s a big red flag to me.
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We’ll never know will we.
I dunno if the conclusions you are drawing are warranted. There are other possibilites unrelated to McClain that could have spurred this firing.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
First of all, dont be offended. Take it as a learning experience. Im giving you some solid insight. You should use it to expand your perspective rather than get upset with me.
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haha. you need to learn humility and also not to assert things about other people you do not know.
i dont go around pretending to be a high school coach etc. but i dont give away much of myself either.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
What are you right or wrong about? You havent even made a case. I told you his route-running isnt crisp but he does all those other things well…selling routes, finding spaces in the zones, tracking balls over his shoulder, making a play on the ball like pushing forward off a hitch or body positioning in a mid-air leap, and moxy to the endzone.
I gave you specific things to look for in film. All you said back was…he runs sloppy routes. And then a whole bunch of rah rah about how you went to pro practices and hang around athletes.
See? I gave instances/examples, still opinion, but gave them. You just gave opinion back and boasted about having attended practices in your life etc.
You also made the mistake of trying to boast about that, while demeaning the other person (not knowing what their football background is either).
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Stick to the subject.
You said he was poorly coached. Youve given no evidence of that.
That is how this whole debate started.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Very few guys have the ability to impact the game the way Norv and Hue can with their playcalling.
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Very few can be as ineffective as Knapp. It was pathetically predictable with stretch runs when every body everywhere knew it was going to be astretch run and the pass plays behind the line of scrimmage that we were complaining about week 4-5 continued to the very end? Riff, the guy sucked. Last time and this time. Would you take him back next year? That is the real question. Would you?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:47 pm
GG, I gave you specific evidence that Moore’s crappy play was not coaching related. He got lazy last offseason and it set him back by missing so much time in camp with his hammy.
You simply ignore this fact in order to drive home that you still want to blame the coaches.
Coaches dont run lazy routes. Players do. Moore was benched at one point for his crappy play this year.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Moore is too slight to be a #1 wr. He can’t/won’t go over the middle. He’s more of a deep threat. Good skills but no superstar. But he does trade value. I made a note in preseason that all of the wrs that Reggie was bringing in we’re big guys. Streater, criner, and Dhb fit the mold. Moore does not. I can see Reggie bringing in Jennings or someone similar, while letting streater and Dhb work as #2 and 3 and criner as #4. With ford as kick returner. Moore could get us a 4th rounder. We also will be looking at duke Calhoun again.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Didn’t know you were here Riff. Did we make a mistake firing Knapp? Would you like him as our OC next year?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Gg–I suppose ur remark about pretending to be a hi skool coach was a reference to me. Sorry kid. I am one.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
And just on this part again…
–gg said–
I told you his route-running isnt crisp but he does all those other things well…selling routes, finding spaces in the zones, tracking balls over his shoulder, making a play on the ball like pushing forward off a hitch or body positioning in a mid-air leap, and moxy to the endzone.
I gave you specific things to look for in film.
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See, he has that skill. That was coaching and himself applying it, not only in 2011 coaching, but also in college coaching.
So why are these aspects apparently regressing in 2012?
Coaching…either him and WR/OC/HC not getting on for some reason, or he’s not being taught techniques as well as other coaches did.
You should realize that every year, coaches constantly teach and re-teach fundamental and advanced techniques. Not just to rookies. But to long-time vets. Every year, Andre Johnson comes to camp, say, with a new WR coach/OC, and they would have their systems and techniques they want to teach.
You will often hear certain vet players talk about how the various coaches they played for, how various coaches taught things differently, how some of them were better at this or that facet of their position.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Very few guys have the ability to impact the game the way Norv and Hue can with their playcalling.
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Very few can be as ineffective as Knapp. It was pathetically predictable with stretch runs when every body everywhere knew it was going to be astretch run and the pass plays behind the line of scrimmage that we were complaining about week 4-5 continued to the very end? Riff, the guy sucked. Last time and this time. Would you take him back next year? That is the real question. Would you?
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Last time? Remind me of our roster the last time he was here and then tell me again what he had to work with.
And would I take him back next year? Yes I would. And here is why…..
1. It doesnt matter who our OC is when you have WRs that drop as many balls as ours
2. Our WR core has never had the same OC/system two years running. Never. And we are wondering why our WR’s wont develop? Its obvious. No continuity.
3. A new OC wont make our RT decent or our O-Line any more physical. We got beat physically on the line. Not schematically. The tape shows that.
4. We were in position to win most games this year. Look at all the halftime scores. We imploded on our own each and every time by player miscues.
If you could sit down and watch film and actually see what coaches see, you’d never question a play call again. They know what they are doing and rarely call the wrong play for the situation. It comes down to execution. If youre getting beat physically off the line in a ZBS you sure as hell would be getting beat in a PBS.
And spare me the halftime adjustment crap. That is fan speak and highly overrated. If you are in position to win a game but keep shooting yourself in the foot, the last thing a coach does is throw his week-long prepped gameplan out the window at halftime.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Personally, I think we dumped the right guys. A little puzzled about holland but I suspect it’s related to green beanie. Don’t know that but it’s my best guess.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh, crap. Dr_robert and Riff are both coaches(ahem). We can’t possibly understand the intricasies of the game that they see. Who here besides me will admit to not being a coach?
December 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
And just on this part again…
–gg said–
I told you his route-running isnt crisp but he does all those other things well…selling routes, finding spaces in the zones, tracking balls over his shoulder, making a play on the ball like pushing forward off a hitch or body positioning in a mid-air leap, and moxy to the endzone.
I gave you specific things to look for in film.
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See, he has that skill. That was coaching and himself applying it, not only in 2011 coaching, but also in college coaching.
So why are these aspects apparently regressing in 2012?
Coaching…either him and WR/OC/HC not getting on for some reason, or he’s not being taught techniques as well as other coaches did.
You should realize that every year, coaches constantly teach and re-teach fundamental and advanced techniques. Not just to rookies. But to long-time vets. Every year, Andre Johnson comes to camp, say, with a new WR coach/OC, and they would have their systems and techniques they want to teach.
You will often hear certain vet players talk about how the various coaches they played for, how various coaches taught things differently, how some of them were better at this or that facet of their position.
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So Streater and DHB were coached proper effort and route running and Moore was not. I see. My bad.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
^ There’s your reply about “stick to the subject of bad or good coaching”.
If you were for real, you would understand exactly what I said there was true.
And if DrRo was legit he would understand that too.
Either you two acknowledge the above point in #613 is true (the last 5 paragraphs) or you’ll try to fob that off to save face.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh, crap. Dr_robert and Riff are both coaches(ahem). We can’t possibly understand the intricasies of the game that they see. Who here besides me will admit to not being a coach?
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Ive never professed to being a coach.
I have a certain grasp of systems and I can watch and break down film to some degree. And I have experience in the film room and locker rooms. That doesnt make me an expert. But it puts me lightyears ahead of most fans who think this is XBox.
Im not high on Knapp. Never have been. Im low on the semi’s that try and critique and tell an NFL coach how to do his job.
Thats like me criticizing NASA. It’s irrational.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
It comes down to execution. If youre getting beat physically off the line in a ZBS you sure as hell would be getting beat in a PBS.
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Not true, but the right side made a lot of it a moot point. That was Knapps and Pollacks Right side and it sucked. They kept assuming it would work and it didn’t, game after game, after game. Their fault.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Gg– moores regression is on him. Look at streaters development.
But one reason I didn’t like knapp is the frustrating lack of cohesion in the rotation. Dhb broke out last year. But was inconsistently targeted this year. Streater was doing well, then criner was in, then criner was out and streater was back in. Hagan came and went with the wind. U have to decide who ur guys are, establish roles, and then do it!
Same could be said at rb. DMc struggled whenever he was in. Goodson did well. But he never got more carries. Then they both go down and Reece excels. But them disappears.
Ausberry was a mystery too. I never felt knapp a clear handle on his personnel.
December 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh, crap. Dr_robert and Riff are both coaches(ahem). We can’t possibly understand the intricasies of the game that they see. Who here besides me will admit to not being a coach?
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I never pretend to be something im not…i just dont give much of myself away. I dont ever go out to belittle someone’s opinion/perception of football. I just debate.
But this is something i talked about articles before….people always wanna boast about something. I do it too (like predicting or something) but the people who try to push the “i played/coach/attended games, was born 30 years before you, etc…therefore i know more about it or am a bigger fan than” type stuff is cheap.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
^ There’s your reply about “stick to the subject of bad or good coaching”.
If you were for real, you would understand exactly what I said there was true.
And if DrRo was legit he would understand that too.
Either you two acknowledge the above point in #613 is true (the last 5 paragraphs) or you’ll try to fob that off to save face.
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There’s nothing wrong with post 613.
Its just that it doesnt apply to a lazy player that comes into camp out of shape.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Gg– moores regression is on him. Look at streaters development.
But one reason I didn’t like knapp is the frustrating lack of cohesion in the rotation. Dhb broke out last year. But was inconsistently targeted this year. Streater was doing well, then criner was in, then criner was out and streater was back in. Hagan came and went with the wind. U have to decide who ur guys are, establish roles, and then do it!
Same could be said at rb. DMc struggled whenever he was in. Goodson did well. But he never got more carries. Then they both go down and Reece excels. But them disappears.
Ausberry was a mystery too. I never felt knapp a clear handle on his personnel.
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I would agree with this criticism.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
It comes down to execution. If youre getting beat physically off the line in a ZBS you sure as hell would be getting beat in a PBS.
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Not true, but the right side made a lot of it a moot point. That was Knapps and Pollacks Right side and it sucked. They kept assuming it would work and it didn’t, game after game, after game. Their fault.
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True, but how were they supposed to fix it? We are all guilty of thinking Briesel would have been better.
They signed a FA and missed. Cant blame them for dumba55 Barnes. They inherited him.
Carlilse expired a year early. Another bad judgement call but did any of us see that coming? No.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
But it puts me lightyears ahead of most fans who think this is XBox.
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Old fart in my fifties. Never played xbox or madden. Been watching since ‘79 and went to most games in LA.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Krapp was trash. Like i said all yr. Now hes fired like i predicted..all yr..
And all you “coaches” with all your “insight” were wrong…
December 31st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
What are you right or wrong about? You havent even made a case. I told you his route-running isnt crisp but he does all those other things well…selling routes, finding spaces in the zones, tracking balls over his shoulder, making a play on the ball like pushing forward off a hitch or body positioning in a mid-air leap, and moxy to the endzone.
I gave you specific things to look for in film. All you said back was…he runs sloppy routes. And then a whole bunch of rah rah about how you went to pro practices and hang around athletes.
See? I gave instances/examples, still opinion, but gave them. You just gave opinion back and boasted about having attended practices in your life etc.
You also made the mistake of trying to boast about that, while demeaning the other person (not knowing what their football background is either).
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Stick to the subject.
You said he was poorly coached. Youve given no evidence of that.more to D-les
That is how this whole debate started.
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Can we all agree that he’s gone from D-WoW to D-Moore to D-less? This year has been nothing to write home about regarding his performance or lack thereof.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Riff, agree with most of what you’re saying. Why are you backing Knapp. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and assumed he wouldn’t be pig headed this time around and Jeebus criste I was wrong.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
DHB is STILL displaying poor skill in many of those things I talked about Moore. That’s bad coaching or bad effort by DHB?
Cant have it both ways.
Streater isn’t a finished product either.
I DID say before, that you skipped over….it is a two way street. Sometimes players dont put in, others do. Sometimes players dont respond to certain coaches as well as other players do, and sometimes they respond to other coaches better than the other players do, etc. But coaching plays just as much into it as players putting in.
Moore in 2011 displayed good technique/skill. That’s coaching and Moore. DHB in 2011 displayed some good and a lot bad technique/skill.
In 2012 DHB is still as bad and Moore regressed.
Streater isnt polished, and Criner hasnt snapped on either. Bad coaching TOO that Criner hasn’t progressed.
To suggest that a lot of our offensive players havent regressed this year under position and OC and HCs is asinine.
Who was going on about how much Kelly Skipper was good to retain. Who was going on about Sanjay Lal going was a good or bad move. Who was going on about DeFillipo must suck if he’s taught Russell, Sanchez and Pryor.
Coaches have a very big impact on players development, non-development etc.
Who has been saying Russell was gifted but didnt get the right coaching etc.
Why did Reggie fire the LB coach? Our LBs haven’t been playing with great technique or gap control. Bad coaching or players only?
People say all kinds of stuff about who is or isnt a good position coach on here. Including you Riff in the past.
You’re happy to enforce your opinion on who is or isnt a good coach or why a player is regressing. But heaven help if someone else does.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
But it puts me lightyears ahead of most fans who think this is XBox.
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Old fart in my fifties. Never played xbox or madden. Been watching since ‘79 and went to most games in LA.
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You know what I meant.
There’s a big difference between having watched the game for 30 years and having understood the game for 30 years.
Watching “Playbook” on NFL Network doesnt make one qualified to criticize NFL coaches the way some do on this blog. Nor does being a fan for umpteen years.
You do acknowledge that their is a big difference between being a fan and understanding the game dont you?
December 31st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
wasn’t sure what I could get away with there.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Raider Riff Says:
You do acknowledge that their is a big difference between being a fan and understanding the game dont you?
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No. I’m smart. You don’t watch for thirty years and pick up nothing.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Still can’t believe we’re stuck with DA. The thing is, even if the guy finds a way to win (doubtful), he basically strikes me as the anti-Raider. No personality like Hue and Gruden and Madden. No history like Shell and Flores. Just feels like an imposter to me. What is this guy even doing here?
I’d rather have a batsh!t crazy Jerry Glanville type here. Not this empty suit. Let’s be real.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Riff, agree with most of what you’re saying. Why are you backing Knapp.
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Im not backing Knapp as much as Im trashing the semi’s. And btw, I like GG. Im saddened that Ive offended him. If we were having this conversation face to face it would go over a lot differently.
As for Knapp…. Its real simple. And I’ll say it for the 1000th time. When we stop making so many simple mistakes on easy plays then we can start to look at the coaching. Too many dropped balls, dumb penalties, missed blocks, poor effort to ever blame anyone but the players.
We’ve been down the road of blaming coaches for the last 2+ decades and it hasnt worked. It’s time to grow up.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Damn arguing on NY?
Hey I love to argue but F that.
I’m wrong , your right, let’s drink or fight.
Go Raiders!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Raider Riff Says:
You do acknowledge that their is a big difference between being a fan and understanding the game dont you?
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No. I’m smart. You don’t watch for thirty years and pick up nothing.
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People have been watching the space shuttle launch in Florida for 30 years and it makes none of those “fans” scientists.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh, crap. Dr_robert and Riff are both coaches(ahem). We can’t possibly understand the intricasies of the game that they see. Who here besides me will admit to not being a coach?
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Ive never professed to being a coach.
I have a certain grasp of systems and I can watch and break down film to some degree. And I have experience in the film room and locker rooms. That doesnt make me an expert. But it puts me lightyears ahead of most fans who think this is XBox.
Im not high on Knapp. Never have been. Im low on the semi’s that try and critique and tell an NFL coach how to do his job.
Thats like me criticizing NASA. It’s irrational.
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lol, you dont even see your own hypocrisy. You watched a bit of film and now suddenly you have the acumen to critique Knapp and suggest hes a bad coach? Yet you contradict yourself, saying you have a problem with semis critiquing NFL coaches and suggest they’re coaching badly.
sheer hypocrisy and contradiction.
it’s a wonder you havent posted the same harsh comments back at yourself….an acknowledged semi, acknowledged non-NFL coach, who dares opine/criticize an NFL coach (knapp) with 20+ years of NFL experience.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
As a coach (like it or not, I don’t care), it’s always ridiculous to me to blame players faults on coaches. Sometimes it’s tri, when over time units fail, not individuals. But I know for a fact u can’t make players do things. U can only instruct them. Ultimately, it’s a teaching position. Plus strategy in the case of play callers. Knapp failed as a strategist to me. Pollocks entire unit regressed so I don’t feel he was on the same page as his players. Hoffmans units seemed unprepared and out of synch. With holland, as I said, I suspect it had to do with green beanie. But there are some sub-par players on this team.
Posters like to point out the run game last year compared to this year. I think it was a lot of things. Wiz’s injury combined with a serious position change that I don’t really like. Carlisle was supposed to be supplanted by bergs trim but berg strom didn’t develop quickly. Brisiel struggled. Barnes was hurt. And DMc is not the same player in my opinion due to an accumulation of injuries for a brittle back.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
That my friend, Riff, is your Waterloo #638
December 31st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Who thinks Knapp will be in/out of the NFL next year?
JB – out
December 31st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
As for the WR position being debated, Moore and Streater are locks to return. I think there’s a fair chance we go after Bowe or Jennings to be our No. 1. Probably the latter, with Moore and Streater vying for the No. 2 role. Ford will be back as well. Those three make peanuts and are guaranteed to be there next year. I give DHB about a 35% chance of returning. He’ll have to take a pay cut to do so. I think Criner is about 50/50 to make the final cut next year. Let’s be real, he’s a JAG (just a guy).
December 31st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Blaming knapp for lack of wr development would be wrong anyway. It would be on the position coach. Knapp failed when it came to rotation though.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
The Texans have a problem on the right side of their O-line. They thought Brisel was a big loss to FA for them. What do you think they’d be willing to give up draft pick wise for a Brisel trade back to Houston?
December 31st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
DHB is STILL displaying poor skill in many of those things I talked about Moore. That’s bad coaching or bad effort by DHB?
Cant have it both ways.
Streater isn’t a finished product either.
I DID say before, that you skipped over….it is a two way street. Sometimes players dont put in, others do. Sometimes players dont respond to certain coaches as well as other players do, and sometimes they respond to other coaches better than the other players do, etc. But coaching plays just as much into it as players putting in.
Moore in 2011 displayed good technique/skill. That’s coaching and Moore. DHB in 2011 displayed some good and a lot bad technique/skill.
In 2012 DHB is still as bad and Moore regressed.
Streater isnt polished, and Criner hasnt snapped on either. Bad coaching TOO that Criner hasn’t progressed.
To suggest that a lot of our offensive players havent regressed this year under position and OC and HCs is asinine.
Who was going on about how much Kelly Skipper was good to retain. Who was going on about Sanjay Lal going was a good or bad move. Who was going on about DeFillipo must suck if he’s taught Russell, Sanchez and Pryor.
Coaches have a very big impact on players development, non-development etc.
Who has been saying Russell was gifted but didnt get the right coaching etc.
Why did Reggie fire the LB coach? Our LBs haven’t been playing with great technique or gap control. Bad coaching or players only?
People say all kinds of stuff about who is or isnt a good position coach on here. Including you Riff in the past.
You’re happy to enforce your opinion on who is or isnt a good coach or why a player is regressing. But heaven help if someone else does.
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A lot of stuff there. I’ll try to get to it all.
DHB… great effort. Just doesnt have the skills. He cant track a ball or catch. Cant coach that up. Cant expect much when the coaching staff changes every year either.
Streater…. agreed. Lots of work to do. But the effort was there. Moores wasnt.
DeFillip…. did well with all 3 of those QBs. Lots of other variables to consider with Sanchez and Jamarcuss.
Russell….. no QB would have succeeded in that environment. Proof? No QB did before or after. That was a organizational problem. Not a coaching one. Plus, no talent around him. The WR core was even worse back then than it is now.
Me…. when have I criticised the position coaches? I stick to criticising the simple stuff that cant be argued. Like, you know, dropped balls that you or I could have caught.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Gonna sneak out and buy a twelve pack. Wish me luck. I’ll be back!
December 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Moore will be traded.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
I’ve spent my entire life watching winners, losers and settlers.
Winners are generally leaders, peak performers who are focused on achieving their goal(s). In short winners are successful people.
Losers are excuse making, slackers, underachievers, generally with no goal or real committment to alleged goals.
Settlers are content simply surviving, they are very similar to loser, yet simply more committed to maintaining a standard existence.
TP is a winner. He has goals, a strong never wavering belief in himself and his abilities. The guy has is eye on the prize and will achieve his goals. He’s a clear winner. Conversely DA is a settler, a guy who stumbled into an opportunity but has no clear plan, goal, direction of committment, therefore he will fail. The same seems to apply to Mark Davis and Reggie MC
December 31st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Knapp will land a job as a QB coach or something like that. He strikes me as a charismatic, friendly guy who’s been in the league for a couple of decades and must have a lot of friends out there. But he won’t be an OC again anytime soon.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
No need to critisize krapp he got shìtcanned… again. Never to call plays again..
December 31st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Oh, crap. Dr_robert and Riff are both coaches(ahem). We can’t possibly understand the intricasies of the game that they see. Who here besides me will admit to not being a coach?
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Ive never professed to being a coach.
I have a certain grasp of systems and I can watch and break down film to some degree. And I have experience in the film room and locker rooms. That doesnt make me an expert. But it puts me lightyears ahead of most fans who think this is XBox.
Im not high on Knapp. Never have been. Im low on the semi’s that try and critique and tell an NFL coach how to do his job.
Thats like me criticizing NASA. It’s irrational.
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lol, you dont even see your own hypocrisy. You watched a bit of film and now suddenly you have the acumen to critique Knapp and suggest hes a bad coach? Yet you contradict yourself, saying you have a problem with semis critiquing NFL coaches and suggest they’re coaching badly.
sheer hypocrisy and contradiction.
it’s a wonder you havent posted the same harsh comments back at yourself….an acknowledged semi, acknowledged non-NFL coach, who dares opine/criticize an NFL coach (knapp) with 20+ years of NFL experience.
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What hypocricy? I didnt criticize Knapp. Ive said he should have been retained. I never said he’s a bad coach. Im just not “high on him”. He’s not Norv Turner or Hue Jax. That isnt a bold statement. That is accepted fact. Im high on those two guys. Im impartial to Knapp in comparison.
IDK where you come off saying Im criticising Knapp.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
MERCURY NEWS
Jan. 1, 2013
Former Oakland Raider offensive coordinator Greg Knapp was hospitalized after driving into a temporary retaining barrier at the north exit at Raider headquarters.
The collision happened in broad daylight and no other vehicles were involved.
“I’ve been leaving through the same exit for years,” Knapp said from his hospital bed at Kaiser Hospital in Oakland. “It’s not my fault somebody put up a stupid new wall.”
December 31st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Norv would be a great OC addition. He’s going to have a lot of offers. I wonder if the west coast, AFC West, chance to stick it to the Chargers and Carson Palm connections would be enough to sell him on Oakland. But I think the bigger question is will DA and Chubby Checker be interested, or will they simply be looking to hire a rookie type on the cheap.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
You said. “Im not high on Knapp, never have been.” Youve also posted thoroughly this year on the failings of Knapp.
Who are you to dare express an opinion on that?
You’re a self-acknowledged semi, whos watched a bit of film and attended a few practices, critiquing a 20 yr NFL coach….but calling out others who opine and critique coaches. Not just that, but demeaning them as Xboxers, and difference between fans and truly understanding the game, and making other boasts like having hung around some athletes etc, all as a way to posit yourself as being of superior football intellect than others.
That post was your Waterloo. Hypocrisy/contradiction. You lost the debate with that post of yours.
You can admit it now. Thanks.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
You said. “Im not high on Knapp, never have been.” Youve also posted thoroughly this year on the failings of Knapp.
Who are you to dare express an opinion on that?
You’re a self-acknowledged semi, whos watched a bit of film and attended a few practices, critiquing a 20 yr NFL coach….but calling out others who opine and critique coaches. Not just that, but demeaning them as Xboxers, and difference between fans and truly understanding the game, and making other boasts like having hung around some athletes etc, all as a way to posit yourself as being of superior football intellect than others.
That post was your Waterloo. Hypocrisy/contradiction. You lost the debate with that post of yours.
You can admit it now. Thanks.
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Failings of Knapp? When have I posted such. Maybe a imposter account. I have been a staunch proponent of holding the players accountable. Sorry bro, I havent criticized Knapp at all this year. Ask anyone. Ive been accussed plenty of swinging from his nuts though. Which again, isnt the case. Im indifferent to Knapp. Im too focused on the obvious which is our abismal execution on the field.
Youre going off on some tangent based on the fact that you think Ive somehow criticized Knapp. And Im the one who has lost the debate? The only thing lost is your marbles.
I could care less about our OC until we get some damn players in here who cant catch and block and hustle.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Anyway, it’s almost new years. I dont dislike you or anything, Riff. Just you called me out, said some things, so i had to respond. And in the end, you did yourself in. I dont want to keep arguing. Dont want us to have a bad rapport with each other. I dont like that you resorted to all that boasting/demeaning/positing stuff. But i can let it go and not hold grudges.
Just shake hands, and wish you all a happy new year. Need to go eat something. Be back later.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Palmer rolled off the couch in 2011 after missing the first 6 to 9 weeks of the season. He plays and throws 5 pics and looks like garbage.
TP gets his first start/playing time in almost 3 yrs, with only 2-3 days of practice with the first unit and passes for 2 TD’s, rushes for 1, with one pic.
The comparison is very revealing
December 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
In regards to Holland’s firing:
It could also be related to our LB play overall. I saw many games where our LBs were out of position and I’m talking Wheeler and Burris. Forget that cockroach McClain he’s a small part of this equation.
Maybe the plays Wheeler and Burris made were just hustle plays even though they were probably out of position.
You bring in a guy to teach better technique and position then Wheeler and Burris might be All Pros.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Hey Dr. Robert: Rich Gannon made a career out of throwjing ducks. Asd long as the ducks are on target (which pryors were). Garbagekowski has been in the league for approx 10 yrs throwing ducks, the same with leinart. The difference being their ducks are inaccurate and they have played far more games than Pryors 1. The game he played after 3 yrs off the field and limited practice with teammates.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
657,
Let’s not get carried away. Pryor looked OK yesterday. Great mobility, which is very useful, but many, perhaps most of his throws were not good. Too many lollipops and inaccurate throws.
I like the kid, but I think he should be Plan B, not the starter right now.
To me, he’s Vince Young with a better work ethic. Although, I think Young may have been a slightly better thrower.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
GG Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Anyway, it’s almost new years. I dont dislike you or anything, Riff. Just you called me out, said some things, so i had to respond. And in the end, you did yourself in. I dont want to keep arguing. Dont want us to have a bad rapport with each other. I dont like that you resorted to all that boasting/demeaning/positing stuff. But i can let it go and not hold grudges.
Just shake hands, and wish you all a happy new year. Need to go eat something. Be back later.
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Please re-read our exchange tomorrow when you have soberred up and then I think you may be laughing at yourself.
Ive never criticized Knapp. I just dont care too. Way to many bigger and more obvious issues with this team than who our OC is.
The hate for Knapp has more to do with the fact that we all pretty much wanted Hue Jax back. No matter who the OC was he’d take heat.
This next season the heat will be squarely on DA if he and Reggie cant reload this thing with some quality talent. I say the odds are against them. This wasnt the average team in need of a revamp. And we didnt exactly try and rebuild this past year. We put it off one year and it bit us bad and will probably cost DA his job next year.
If Palmer is under constant pressure again this year due to the fact that our WR’s get no respect. Look for our run game to again stumble and the offense to lack any semblance of balance. At that point DA better be wise and throw Pryor in their and see if his legs cant save the thing by week 4 next season. Because that will be his only, albeit slight, hope of sticking around to see year 3.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
641.JB Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Who thinks Knapp will be in/out of the NFL next year?
JB – out
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He will be IN. These Coaches are a fraternity and they will make sure someone of high position HC/OC/DC will have a job even if they have to create a position for them. Look how Marvin Lewis brought in Hue as asst special teams and asst DB coach.
Look where we got Knapp from. QB coach.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
If Knapp is out of NFL next year he can always fill in for Mel Kiper Jr as long as he keeps his mouth shut.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
657,
Let’s not get carried away. Pryor looked OK yesterday. Great mobility, which is very useful, but many, perhaps most of his throws were not good. Too many lollipops and inaccurate throws.
I like the kid, but I think he should be Plan B, not the starter right now.
To me, he’s Vince Young with a better work ethic. Although, I think Young may have been a slightly better thrower.
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Young was a better thrower. But not by much.
Pryor is worlds better between the ears than VY.
Chris, why is it that you, and others ignore these facts:
- that 75% of Pryors passes were on target (1/3 of those were dropped).
- two of his incompletions were throw aways. And one of them was on that mad scramble that DMoore almost caught and Palmer surely would have just been sacked on
- the INT could easily be blamed on DHB
6 drops. 2 throw aways. 1 INT that is at the least shared in blame with DHB.
His play was better than his stats show. If his receivers catch the ball he goes 20-28 (two throw aways) and probably doesnt have that INT. And also converts two costly 3rd down conversions that his WRs dropped.
The raw stats are not telling the whole story with TP.
December 31st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Trades are VERY rare in the NFL, WTF are some of you clowns thinking when you mention all of these trade possibilities. On the average there are less than 10 trade per year in the NFL. They virtually happen. teams generally wait for unwanted players to be cut
December 31st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Derek Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Palmer rolled off the couch in 2011 after missing the first 6 to 9 weeks of the season. He plays and throws 5 pics and looks like garbage.
TP gets his first start/playing time in almost 3 yrs, with only 2-3 days of practice with the first unit and passes for 2 TD’s, rushes for 1, with one pic.
The comparison is very revealing
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Ouch!
December 31st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Somethings wrong with this picture, Mark!!! As the owner you were embarassed about the team and frustrated with the direction it was going? Why not fire the whole crew starting with Spuds, then Allen! Remember the GM and HC are the reason for 4-12 season, KC cleaned house and so should the Raidrs. Now the old purse you’d clinging to is out of funds, then its tie to sell the team to a new owner with 50 year lease to Oakland, dude! Be a owner not a wuss, getta done! Fire the coaching staff, NOW!!!
December 31st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
There are bad coaches in the nfl. The nfl is littered with them. Just cuz a coach makes the ranks doesn’t mean players will listen to him or buy into what he’s selling. It takes a very special group of coaches and staff. You have to be really good to be great. But you do not have to be good to coach in the nfl.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 am
Davis and Reggie Mc are both officially idiots. Retaining Denise Allen at a time in which many high quality coaches are out there ripe for the taking proves they are both morons. Reggie Mc is a fat power hungry POS who prefers a spinless wimp of a HC he can dominate, while Mark Davis appears to be a gutless retard. Great men often raise pathetic slacker sons. This is obviously the case with Davis. AD was so focused on the Raiders, he failed to mold his son in his image. The Raiders and the fan base are screwed.
I wish the team great success while playing in front of 30-40K per home game under DA’s disasterous leadership.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:02 am
Raiders new season will be good. Now pass that look aide.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:10 am
667 & 669……
What are the odds that our next OC is our next HC?
You think Mark isnt already thinking of how to fire DA by week 4 next year if things arent better?
Mark and Reggie will most notably have a hand in this OC hire. It might be DA’s replacement.
Mark is clearly keeping DA for continuities sake. Which I have no problem with. But you know damn well he’s kicking himself and regrets firing Hue at this point. If Hue was coaching 2013 that would mean the same OC/HC for 4 years running and that is unheard of with the Raiders. Plus, Hue already knew which players needed to be purged of this mess.
Mark has to regret it at this point. The problem is, he’s really between a rock and a hard place. If he fires DA then he looks just like Al and the restart process starts all over again. It’s just a fvcked situation that needs to be ridden out unfortunately.
It’s dysfunctional. Its the Raiders. But we’ve seen worse dysfunction and regret than this. We’ll get thru this.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:16 am
Raider Riff Says:
Ive never criticized Knapp. I just dont care too. Way to many bigger and more obvious issues with this team than who our OC is.
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With a defesively minded Head Coach, I’d think the Offensive Coordinator was about half the equation.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:21 am
Busta Nutt Says:
Raiders new season will be good. Now pass that look aide.
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That look aide is kooling good.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 am
Riff,
I think Pryor was OK. I like the kid and I hope he does well, especially as Al’s las pick. Not sure about those stats, but I saw him miss some open throws that a good NFL QB just doesn’t miss. And he threw some floaters that put his WRs in danger or limited their ability to do anything after the catch. I think Palmer is a superior QB and should be our starter next year. But if Pryor keeps improving he could hopefully be ready to be the guy some day. And I’m not just basing this opinion off of one game. These are the same issues I and many other analysts and scouts saw with Pryor coming out of Ohio State.
I do wish we could somehow get Pryor more involved in the offense in the red zone. I realize that’s tricky with continuity and undermining your starter, but I do like Pryor’s mobility and the problems that presents a defense around the goalline.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:16 am
Raider Riff Says:
Ive never criticized Knapp. I just dont care too. Way to many bigger and more obvious issues with this team than who our OC is.
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With a defesively minded Head Coach, I’d think the Offensive Coordinator was about half the equation.
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I know you think its half the equation. You, like most others, have been trained well by the late Al Davis.
Blame anyone but the guy letting the ball bounce off his numbers and into the defenders hands.
Blame anyone but Kelly for jumping offsides.
Blame anyone but DMC for slipping AGAIN during a cut.
Blame anyone but Rolando for being Jamarucus 2.0
Blame anyone but the players. Only give them half the blame right? Because they are only on the field 100% of the time.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:24 am
bigger issue is mcdumbaszsz and DA…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:25 am
Funny but last Sunday when asked about pryors 3 plays Allen said ” we just don’t feel he is ready to be the back up”
Today he says
I thought it was great to be able to see Terrelle Pryor. I thought he really did some nice things in the game, showed some improvement and showed that there’s some stuff that we can work with moving forward with Terrelle Pryor. So that was good to see. I thought the red zone offense was an improvement. I thought third down was an improvement.”
Major 180!!!!!
Good thing big Mack & Davis forced him to play Pryor, it may have saved Allen’s job.
Sorry impostor fans & Palmer worshipers it sounds as if Pryor is in the mix for starting in the near future.
Lol Carson is a stop gap Pryor impressed Davis jr big Mack Allen & the la raider fans in sd.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:26 am
nah its the dumbaszsz coaches for handicapping tge players and the gm for choosing avg players to field a team..,
January 1st, 2013 at 12:27 am
DA got pimpslapped back to midwest time…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 am
Riff,
What’s your take on Mike Mitchell? I’ve been a fan of the kid for awhile and to me he looked like one of, if not our best defensive player since starting for the injured Tyvon Branch. A period that coincided with our best defensive play of the year as a team.
Any chance he does, or at least should supplant Branch as the starting SS?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 am
Chris In NY Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 am
Riff,
I think Pryor was OK. I like the kid and I hope he does well, especially as Al’s las pick. Not sure about those stats, but I saw him miss some open throws that a good NFL QB just doesn’t miss. And he threw some floaters that put his WRs in danger or limited their ability to do anything after the catch. I think Palmer is a superior QB and should be our starter next year. But if Pryor keeps improving he could hopefully be ready to be the guy some day. And I’m not just basing this opinion off of one game. These are the same issues I and many other analysts and scouts saw with Pryor coming out of Ohio State.
I do wish we could somehow get Pryor more involved in the offense in the red zone. I realize that’s tricky with continuity and undermining your starter, but I do like Pryor’s mobility and the problems that presents a defense around the goalline.
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The stats I listed were spot on. I kept em while watching the replay on NFL rewind.
It seemed at first you were being a lil harsh on the kid. But youre not. You see it for what it was. He played great. His stats should have been A LOT BETTER. And he still has a lot of work to do. As would any 2nd year rookie.
As for the throws he missed…. a good NFL QB like Palmer for instance never gets a chance to make those throws because they have lead feet. Food for thought.
And I know youre not basing things on one game. But if you look at his whole body of work, there has been some substantial improvements. Plenty of reason to see the glass half full with this kid.
And yeah, the whole redzone thing with Pryor is stupid. This isnt NCAA or XBox. Cant do that in the real NFL.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 am
Lol in fact Allen made those statements about Pryor during his opening statment before he was even asked!!!
Yep I’d say Pryor impressed all the right people in a major way.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 am
riff isnt going to like him…he is fast, hits hard, covers te…everything opposite of tge guys reggie brings in..,
January 1st, 2013 at 12:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:25 am
Funny but last Sunday when asked about pryors 3 plays Allen said ” we just don’t feel he is ready to be the back up”
Today he says
I thought it was great to be able to see Terrelle Pryor. I thought he really did some nice things in the game, showed some improvement and showed that there’s some stuff that we can work with moving forward with Terrelle Pryor. So that was good to see. I thought the red zone offense was an improvement. I thought third down was an improvement.”
Major 180!!!!!
Good thing big Mack & Davis forced him to play Pryor, it may have saved Allen’s job.
Sorry impostor fans & Palmer worshipers it sounds as if Pryor is in the mix for starting in the near future.
Lol Carson is a stop gap Pryor impressed Davis jr big Mack Allen & the la raider fans in sd.
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Stop. Please stop.
Youre just creating more TP haters with every ridiculous post you make.
Half the people who hate on him wouldnt even comment if it wasnt for you baiting them.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:30 am
DA is still holding an ice bag on his face…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:35 am
Chris In NY Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 am
Riff,
What’s your take on Mike Mitchell? I’ve been a fan of the kid for awhile and to me he looked like one of, if not our best defensive player since starting for the injured Tyvon Branch. A period that coincided with our best defensive play of the year as a team.
Any chance he does, or at least should supplant Branch as the starting SS?
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Here’s my take….
Ive always liked the kids effort. Same mold as DHB and Pryor.
He was pretty underwhelming in his career up until recent. And I dont think he had the favor of the coaching staff at the beginning of the year.
But it’s clear he worked himself into a playing role. Even before Branch got hurt MM34 was getting more and more plays as the second half of the season progressed. It’s clear the coaching staff gave him some shots and he made the most of em. All the way up until they trusted him to fill in for Branch. Which he did quite well the last two weeks.
It appears he just needed some experience. He settled in nicely once he wasnt worried about getting yanked for a mistake.
I wasnt high on his play earlier in the year though. But again, when you only get a few snaps a game, its hard to find a feel for the game.
That said…. its a contract year. Always take that into consideration.
If he can play the way he did the last two weeks on a consistent basis, and we use the Branch money to build a stud D-Line, then Im all for supplanting Branch with MM34 at this point.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:40 am
Our d-line got good pressure on the QB the past 3 weeks. Sure, crappy teams and all but that isnt the point Im trying to make.
The point is, our secondary looks good when we get pressure. And we had a bandaid secondary out there the past 3 weeks. Total rag tag outfit. But a solid front makes them effective.
I’d way rather have the money spent up front and have average (MM34, Adams, Ross) secondary players.
The problem is when we dip below average and have Tony Dorsetts and Derrick Gibsons back there.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:42 am
Raider Riff Says:
Stop. Please stop.
Youre just creating more TP haters with every ridiculous post you make.
Half the people who hate on him wouldnt even comment if it wasnt for you baiting them.
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Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
The back up or even #3 QB vs. the starter is an established debate on all teams with a losing or mediocre record going back to the inception of the forward pass. It certainly has some history with this organization. I wonder if it would be anywhere near as vitriolic as the current debate is without one, and only one, certain poster?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:43 am
“His[ Denarius Moore's] play started to suffer during the middle of this season. Will grant you that it’s on Moore himself too, but there’s always coaching that plays an equal part — whether it’s bad relationship with, or poor instruction.”
Nope, not true that “there’s always coaching that playes an equal part” to a player’s poor play. Could just as easily be something in the player’s personal life that has him distracted or disinterested or could be after his first season success he thought he could coast on his talent. Not saying there is no possibility that a player’s relationship with coaches never accounts for his play deteriorating, just that there’s every reason to believe a host of other reasons are just as likely.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:44 am
More Allen on Pryor
On if the team was more dynamic on offense with Pryor yesterday: “Again, I think his athleticism gives us a unique element at the quarterback position. I thought you saw that in the game the other day. I thought his ability to get outside the pocket and make some things happen gave us a little bit of a spark.”
Lol he needs to read this blog myself raiders all day Kirk priest & a few others tried to say this weeks / months ago!!!!!
Palmer is on borrowed time.
It’s ironic though I apps offense improved Palmer. Ur sucked over all.
Pryor whom knapp & Allen buried for some strange reason actually made knapss offense look good yesrterdayz
Knapp got canned.
I’m convinced that the next of will have to sell a plan for how he will use Pryor & dmac this will be the main factor in deciding who fills the post.
Read’em & weep
January 1st, 2013 at 12:49 am
Lol riff
I’m creating to haters by posting Allen’s comments?
Please explain how Allen’s comments are creating to haters.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:52 am
Happy New Year’s, Raider Nation!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:54 am
Hilarious
A few of us knew that if Pryor hit the field he would play his way into a contraversy & up the depth chart.
Apperently he cost knapp his job for failing to use him. Apperently Allen has been also put on notice & exposed as a liar where to was concerned.
Looks like Davis & big Mack were impressed
Looks like Allen is smart enough to know he better get a guy that makes Pryor a focal point with dmac
Sounds like Allen realized his folly with Pryor & was also very impressed
Allen said it I didn’t don’t like it ? Write a letter
January 1st, 2013 at 12:56 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:49 am
Lol riff
I’m creating to haters by posting Allen’s comments?
Please explain how Allen’s comments are creating to haters.
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I like TP just as much as you do.
You dont see me rubbing it in anyones face. Another thing you dont get is that you can be a fan of both Palmer and Pryor. One doesnt come at the expense of the other.
Posting Allen’s comments doesnt create haters. Youre not the first to do it. Semi’s have been doing it for the last 30 hours.
But you post as if it is you versus this blog. And maybe it is, but that was your doing with all your race baiting. We’re all Raider fans here. You dont personally win anything if Pryor is a success. His successes dont come at any Raider fans expense (except Zymurge maybe).
Just ease back a bit. Pryor played great. He did what we all hoped he could do. For some, its a huge can of worms, for others its a possible brite future. Either way, let it play out. Nobody here hates Pryor. I really think the only hate on here that is directed at Pryor is done so to ruffle your feathers because of all the black vs white QB stuff you instigate.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:57 am
Just finished watching Raiders press conference. You are in lala land, Mistic..
January 1st, 2013 at 12:58 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:54 am
Hilarious
A few of us knew that if Pryor hit the field he would play his way into a contraversy & up the depth chart.
Apperently he cost knapp his job for failing to use him. Apperently Allen has been also put on notice & exposed as a liar where to was concerned.
Looks like Davis & big Mack were impressed
Looks like Allen is smart enough to know he better get a guy that makes Pryor a focal point with dmac
Sounds like Allen realized his folly with Pryor & was also very impressed
Allen said it I didn’t don’t like it ? Write a letter
>> Pryor won’t be starting unless palmer retires and maybe not even then. deal with it
January 1st, 2013 at 12:59 am
Still don’t get Romo wanting Tebow. What’s up with that?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:00 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
Apperently he cost knapp his job for failing to use him. Apperently Allen has been also put on notice & exposed as a liar where to was concerned.
Looks like Davis & big Mack were impressed
Looks like Allen is smart enough to know he better get a guy that makes Pryor a focal point with dmac
Sounds like Allen realized his folly with Pryor & was also very impressed
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You very well may be right here.
But lets not act like great coaches havent misjudged talent before. It happens to the best of them. Knapp and DA arent the first and wont be the last. How many passed on Gannon or Kurt Warner? Plenty.
Bellicheat didnt know what he had in Brady until Bledsoe got hurt. True story.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:03 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:49 am
Lol riff
I’m creating to haters by posting Allen’s comments?
Please explain how Allen’s comments are creating to haters.
>. here it is in easy to understand english for you, YOU are a moron and are a racist and do nothing but swing from every Black Qbs nutsack constantly,. and the more we all have to read your nonsense the more we all get sick of hearing about pryor. Which considering your propensity for ball licking makes me look at how good or bad he REALLY is. if you didn’t have a diarrhea mouth in regards to pryor 10 times a day it would make it easier for normal people(not like you) to make an analysis of Pryor.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:03 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:59 am
Still don’t get Romo wanting Tebow. What’s up with that?
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I think he wants leadership. Romo sees a rudderless ship here.
Does Romo still want Tebow after what he saw with TP? I think he might change his tune a bit. TP showed a LOT of poise and leadership yesterday.
And to think people were worried if the kid could even handle getting in and out of the huddle. Ha. He was audibling and calling out the D quite well for a guy that “wasnt ready to be a backup yet”.
I’d love to hear Romo’s take on it right now.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:05 am
Yaaaehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 1:12 am
That is Romo’s take right now. I agree with you on Pryor, though I don’t think we’re rudderless with Palmer in there.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:43 am
504 Raider Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
In regards to Holland’s firing:
It could also be related to our LB play overall. I saw many games where our LBs were out of position and I’m talking Wheeler and Burris. Forget that cockroach McClain he’s a small part of this equation.
Maybe the plays Wheeler and Burris made were just hustle plays even though they were probably out of position.
You bring in a guy to teach better technique and position then Wheeler and Burris might be All Pros.
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Yeah, it was quite apparent our LBs weren’t coached as well as they could’ve been under a better LB coach. Even when a few of them kept putting in all their effort, you could see their techniques, gap control, block-shedding, and tackling all up, was sub-par.
Reggie/Allen agree with you, considering they fired a LB coach, ST co-ordinator, OC and OL coach, they pin-pointed the most glaring coaching flaws on their staff. The ones who didn’t get the results that were asked of them.
A new OC will probably have a say in other position coaching jobs.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:23 am
Palmer is ten times the qb that Pryor is and it’s not even close. Missdick and priest make utter clowns if themselves spinning and omitting and outright making things up. It’s sad to see two grown men act so pathetic. Pryor isn’t even in the conversation to start. There isn’t the remotest bit if controversy except in their own minds.
There is no argument whatsoever. It’s simple.
Stats don’t matter. Quotes don’t matter. Anything said on this blog doesn’t matter.
If u can’t tell the difference between a real qb and a lousy one, then ur a housewife. Maybe u should try watching reality tv or something cuz football just isn’t ur thing. Or at the very least don’t try to talk about it cuz u don’t understand it and ur making urself look dumb.
Basically ask urself if u really want to align urself with two of the most football-ignorant stooges ever heard from.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:32 am
Happy new year fellow raider fans! I love u all. Even the idiots. It’s a great forum and growing up in Indiana, I never was able to talk this much raider football, so I’m grateful for this board. It’s fun.
Reggie did the right thing by keeping Allen, even if its not very exciting and I have my doubts. Now Reggie needs to get work done on FA and the draft. We will get some good new players and dump some bad ones. We dumped some coaches that weren’t getting it done.
We still have a very good qb and some talented players to root for. The offseason will be interesting.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 am
My current favorite raiders:
Palmer
Pryor
Streater
Veldheer
Carter
Houston
Wheeler
Burris
Branch
January 1st, 2013 at 2:37 am
Tp6 is a beast!!! You hate it I love it! He will do nothing but continue to get better and will some day lead this team to brighter days… He has the drive and that it factor reggie talks bout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJUTgAXAYkY&feature=youtube_gdata_player college or nfl, they cant tackle the kid and thats fact.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:41 am
My favorite bench players (can’t call them favs yet, but I kinda like them):
Nix
Hagan
Stewart
Bilukidi
Adams
Ross
January 1st, 2013 at 2:43 am
But he can’t pass the ball. It’s really that simple. If he played a whole season at qb, it would be a train wreck. Raiders fans deserve a real qb. Palmer for now. Another guy later. But believe me, Pryor will never be a starting nfl qb.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:45 am
My top free agent wishes:
1. Larry Grant (mlb)
2. Dwayne Bowe (wr)
January 1st, 2013 at 2:47 am
My wishlist:
#1wr
Upgraded OL
MLB
FS
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 am
I find it interesting how, even though Pryor really looked pretty awful as a passer, based on any perceived success, guys are in here being really venomous, trying to rub it people’s faces. I don’t actually think there’s anything to get excited about but why so happy to yell about how great Pryor is and we can all suck it? I never heard anyone here say they didn’t like the kid. Only that they think he isn’t a good passer, which is definitely true.
I have found it dispiriting to see, when anonymous, how many black guys (apparently) call out racism at the drop of a hat for any real or imagined reason, and how much they side with a black player for no other reason but they are black. Very troubling cuz it means they’re not willing to get past those hang ups. And it has to be holding them back in life.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 am
You have your opinion I have mines. No hes not a polished passer just yet but I believe in a year or 2 he’ll have his passing skills up to par. He has the desire and will to be great that says to me hes going to do what ever it takes to get better and he will. He seems to care enough to work on his weaknesses so he’ll be alright. Yea he throws floaters but those passes looked to be passes he tried to guide over defenders heads, he could add some zip if he wanted to its not like he has a noodle arm. I like him and his potential, he has a high ceiling.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:56 am
Can’t people be objective and honest?
Pryor throws a bad ball. It’s simply the truth. U can hope he improves. I don’t think he will. But why deny he currently throws poorly? People lose credibility when they can’t admit the obvious and judge in merit.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:58 am
Ok u just did.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:02 am
Riff speaks the truth, Mistic! There are times when I’m sorely tempted to root against any of your wave of the future quarterbacks just because I know it’ll burn you, even though I’m as excited about them as you are, minus the racial advancement aspect.
There’s a difference between being adversarial and antagonistic, and it’s in your nature to stray into the latter end of the spectrum.
In the end, I just feel sorry for anyone who’s close to you: family, loved ones, friends if you have any. God help your children, though. If they don’t hate your guts now, they will soon, and I don’t see you being the type to listen or accommodate.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:02 am
He does work hard and he does want to be great. Good qualities. But sometimes that doesn’t make up for natural inability. Just like throwing a 90mph fastball or running a 4.4 forty. Doesn’t matter how hard u work at it. Lots of guys who CAN throw 90 can never do it for strikes consistently no matter how hard they work. Good passers are natural. They just have great arms and accuracy cagey tweak things but they never get that much better. Just the same as a sprinter works on form but never gets that much faster and they had to be fast to begin with.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:06 am
Very well said paper tiger. It will go right thru him though. Pryor is one if my favorite raiders actually, even though I think he’s really a wr. But I felt that pull of almost wanting him to fail so I could tell missdick what an idiot he was. Ultimately I just want the raiders to do well and missdick can fu€k off. But he does live for acrimony.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 am
It was great watching TP6 play. Sure the kid’s rough, but it brought some life to an otherwise dismal season. Palmer’s definitely the starter next year barring injury, though.
Very happy to see the problematic members of our coaching staff get canned so quickly. Hopefully Reggie and DA can get us a decent OC now that the field is flooded with candidates, as opposed to last year when they were late to the party. Wouldn’t mind seeing Wylie and Wiz1 back at all.
A proven #1 WR is at the top of my wish list. Make it happen, Reggie!
January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 am
Unfortunately he will just accuse u of being a white supremacist and tell u (viciously) that the new wave owns u.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:13 am
No pryor didnt play a perfect game but the enthusiam comes from how low the bar was set for pryor. I mean the head coach said he wasnt even ready to be a back up yet and just getting in and out of the huddle would be an accomplishment for the kid. The expectation was pryor coming out looking like he didnt belong in the league, and looking overwhelmed but he exceeded those expectations by a mile. He didnt look over whelmed, he commanded the huddle, showed some leadership, improved our redzone woes, and mad some spectacular athletic plays. He proved hes worth working with and not a complete waste like some were saying. So what he missed a couple throws, its his first start ever and hes a young player of course he has more to work on but what young player doesnt? The thing that matters most though is he willing to work as a young player… Because if hes willing to work then you know hes going to get better and thats what matters. Tp is willing to work so like I said hell be fine.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:14 am
I envision missdick stomping around his house talking about how “we’re gonna take over these motherfu€kers for good real soon!”.
Just a really bitter, hateful man putting his energies in all the wrong places.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 am
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January 1st, 2013 at 3:19 am
I liked a lot about him. His energy. His fire. His ridiculous ability to extend plays cloves all that band it was a fun way to end the dreadful season. However, I just don’t think he will ever pass the ball well. I think he got very lucky with many of his passes not being picked, and his Tds were gifts. It’s just reality to me. It’s ok by me if people believe he’s got potential. I don’t agree but that’s fine. I just found it laughable when they say he’s better than pslmer, who is our best qb since Gannon and has shown a lot of heart playing with this pathetic team.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:28 am
Mistic is a propaganda slinging whore.
Pryor is not nearly as ready as he was without Palmer showing him the ropes.
Just ask Pryor, Mistic.
Your a know nothing, mud slinging idiot….
January 1st, 2013 at 3:30 am
Yeah. I can see he probably loves the misery he causes so I for one, am going to ignore him from now on. He’s pretty pointless.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:30 am
Dr. Robert,
Give the kid a fair chance? he could have just stepped on his d*ck, but he showed a bit of moxie.
Pryor is in it to win it….
This point cannot be argued.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:33 am
That being said,
I think you gotta give the Palmer/Pryor duo another year and let the kid learn from a proven gunslinger.
I think Pryor has only begun to tap into what he can be and Palmer will be a big part of that.
Pryor needs to be the #2 next season.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:34 am
I dont think pryor is better than palmer by any means and neither dooes pryor himself, but I dont think hes a lost cause and I think he can and will improve.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:39 am
How about Phil Jackson for the new Raiders head coach?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:42 am
I could see the improvement in Pryor from preseason to his last start and I believe Palmer has everything to do with that.
Pryor is in a great situation. He can learn from a QB with a golden arm and adjust his game to an elite level with Palmer’s mentoring.
This is not a Farve/Rogers situation.
Palmer is more then willing to take Pryor under his wing and teach him all he knows about being a pocket passer.
It is just what the doctor ordered.
We can grab a late round QB in the draft with potential as a fail safe, then worry about the defense.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:47 am
Dennis Allen reminds me of a guy that joins Amway, sells a few things to family members, and quits.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:49 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:25 am
Funny but last Sunday when asked about pryors 3 plays Allen said ” we just don’t feel he is ready to be the back up”
Today he says
I thought it was great to be able to see Terrelle Pryor. I thought he really did some nice things in the game, showed some improvement and showed that there’s some stuff that we can work with moving forward with Terrelle Pryor. So that was good to see. I thought the red zone offense was an improvement. I thought third down was an improvement.”
Major 180!!!!!
Good thing big Mack & Davis forced him to play Pryor, it may have saved Allen’s job.
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That’s just a stupid post-one of many from Mistic.
Davis and McKenzie didn’t force Allen to play Prior at all.
Allen is the head coach and he made the decision because-
1. Prior is on the roster as a quarterback and Allen wanted to see how well he would do in a game.
2. Given the success of RG3 a lot of people wanted to see how Prior could do in a real game and by playing him Allen killed any quarterback controversy–not that there ever was one.
As things stand now, the Nation saw Prior play and the consequence of that is that now most still want Palmer to start since Prior did OK and looks better than we thought but (1) demonstrated problems with passing mechanics and (2) made some poor decisions.
Prior has a lot of positives but they are weighed down with negatives until he improves certain areas.
He’s actually lucky working with Palmer since Carson is both a good quarterback and a guy who is inclined to help Prior.
This was a smart and shrewd move by Allen.
There was no 180 degree turn except in Mistic’s confused head.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:49 am
Well he has everything I love in a qb except the arm. I’m normally an optimist but I don’t see it happening. But I’m rooting for the improbable too. If he makes it, I’ll be he his biggest fan cuz he is a good kid it seems.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 am
One of these days, I will tell the nation about a fight in Raider HQ between a former California state wrestling champion and Dave Casper.
But not tonight.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:02 am
Turf toe Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 am
One of these days, I will tell the nation about a fight in Raider HQ between a former California state wrestling champion and Dave Casper.
But not tonight.
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About twenty years ago, I used to go with this woman who pretty much often made the same kind of statement.
It was always…”but not tonight”.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:07 am
couldve had this LB, but NO we were committed to McClain…..
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000119783/Week-17-Vontaze-Burfict-highlights
January 1st, 2013 at 4:07 am
Man, my fuk’n head hurts.
I’m going to go and stick it in the freezer.
Fortunately, it’s detachable.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:17 am
Thanks for all the posts Riff
Happy New Year to all the grumpy old men on the blog from a guy looking at snow, and clear cold skies in another part of the world where everybody still makes moonshine.
If you want a good analogy about qbs, and their surrounding cast of characters, just swap teams with Manning and Palmer. Denver has good mix of running and passing, great receivers (look at the 2 catches for tds against the chiefs), great protection, and a defense that really helps. How do you think Manning would do here, getting killed with no running game. Yeah, he’s more disciplined than Palmer, and has a quicker release, but he moves even worse, and he has lots of time to go through his progressions. Palmer go so used to running for his life that when he finally did have time, his timing was off (or the receivers dropped balls or ran the wrong routs).
Because of his contract, Palmer’s not going any where and he’s a great mentor for TP.
About TP, I saw him throw lots of different passes, and extend plays in the game. He zipped balls that were dropped and in that pig sty that passed for a field where everyone was slipping and ad libbing (I bet the conditions helped the Chargers), he had sense enough to throw touch passes. Perfect? Of course not! but he has the instincts, strength, and talent to keep getting better. When was the last time you saw a qb with a one armed world wrestling move fling a 210 pound running back out of a scrum in order to not get another stupid personal foul penalty called at exactly the wrong time (of course we did, but he scored a td anyway!)? He seems sincere, and is smart enough when microphones are stuck in his face to say all the right things. He’s had his own personal walk-about from the kiss ass college heights to the lows of sitting and sitting and wondering if he would be selling insurance in the real world. If he’s 7 on the wonder-lick, or what ever it’s called, then make up another test. I’m just an architect, what do I know, but it seems to me there’s lots of different types of intelligence. Left brain, right brain, and an infinite amount of combinations.
Still hope Moore can rebound from really regressing this year. He’ll always be more of a graceful long ball or quick hit guy. Never inside and over the middle. Maybe he never got over his late start because of his hammy.
For a guy that just ran track in high school (my knees still work, and I don’t have a gut), loved playing catch throwing 60 yard passes and touch and flag football when kids still ran around at recess. Can remember watching the Ice Bowl on fuzzy black and white, and being a football fan ever since, and sitting in the black hole with the other crazies, I put it mostly on the players.
With all my “knowledge”, I’m still glad Knapp is gone!
If a dummy like me can ho hum yawn tell what’s going to happen every time 3rd and short comes up, something’s wrong. Yeah McFadden is no zone runner, but he’s your stud, so work with him.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 am
Knapp was Step One.
Dealing with the debacle known as Sol-lando will be Step Two.
It’s too bad the Raiders don’t have a vacancy at HC, because I really like both Lovie Smith and Romeo Crennel.
I love me some DMac, but I’ll continue to harp on making a trade so that we can get something of value in return, while he’s still healthy. To quote an old Boz Scaggs song, “There’s a breakdown dead ahead …”
Happy New Year, my Raider brethren.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:46 am
ENGLANDRAIDER:
Which head you talkin’ ’bout, man?
January 1st, 2013 at 4:50 am
Pryor > Sanchez or Tebow
January 1st, 2013 at 5:15 am
raidertbone Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:46 am
ENGLANDRAIDER:
Which head you talkin’ ’bout, man?
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LOL!
January 1st, 2013 at 5:16 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:02 am
Turf toe Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 am
One of these days, I will tell the nation about a fight in Raider HQ between a former California state wrestling champion and Dave Casper.
But not tonight.
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About twenty years ago, I used to go with this woman who pretty much often made the same kind of statement.
It was always…”but not tonight”.
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OK.
So you have to be talking about Casper and Plunkett.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:53 am
Derek Says:
December 31st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Palmer rolled off the couch in 2011 after missing the first 6 to 9 weeks of the season. He plays and throws 5 pics and looks like garbage.
TP gets his first start/playing time in almost 3 yrs, with only 2-3 days of practice with the first unit and passes for 2 TD’s, rushes for 1, with one pic.
The comparison is very revealing
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The only thing it reveals is how stupid some people can be.
Pryor has had access to the playbook, practice and team meetings for the entire season. Palmer got his playbook three DAYS before he entered the KC game, and wasn’t even expecting to play (although Hue lied and told everybody that Palmer lobbied him to go in).
And he threw three picks in that game, not five.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:58 am
You like Romeo Crennel after watching him coach the Chiefs & Browns and doing a horrible job. Lovie Smith couldn’t win the SB with that vaunted Bears defense and you like him too?
You just like a “black” coach no matter how average or below average he is. Reminds me of Hussein supporters.
#pitiful
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Raidertbone Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 am
Knapp was Step One.
Dealing with the debacle known as Sol-lando will be Step Two.
It’s too bad the Raiders don’t have a vacancy at HC, because I really like both Lovie Smith and Romeo Crennel
January 1st, 2013 at 6:02 am
DLINEMEN:
DTs resign Bryant move Houston inside to DT;
Cut
IR trade Kelly
Draft Moore orWerner as DE,
Draft Lotiulie if two DEs are off the board, move back a few spots though before though
Biloduki Crawford and Tollefson keep trade or cut
January 1st, 2013 at 6:10 am
LBs:
Burris keeper
Resign Wheeler a must
Gaither solid lb;
McClain should’ve cut him when we fired Knapp,
Trade, cut, or release get him out of here.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.
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Riff,
who are you parting ways with?
Seymour & McClain are gone. Tollefson & Spencer are gone.
that leaves us with holes at MLB (Gaither, Goethel = NO!)
Houston & ShoNasty at DE (unless you’re making Houston a full time DT or letting ShoNasty walk in free agency). Bryant needs to be re-signed. Nobody even noticed Seymour was gone.
so if you re-sign ShoNasty & Bryant (which we should) then the D-Line is fine. if you bring in some expensive free agent or high draft pick for an edge rusher … who is he stealing snaps from?
Are we going to completely cut ties with Carter & Crawford?
what WR’s are leaving? just Hagan, then Ford comes back from I.R.
Moore & Streater are locks. Are we telling DHB or Criner to kick rocks? Heyward-Bey seems like the only WR we have who can make a play at times. We was saddled with Knapp at OC too, ya know? plus he had a rookie WR Coach
couldn’t agree more about the secondary. If I was GM, I might put all of my eggs in that basket this offseason. Last draft, BigMac didn’t take 1 DB. This year he should take 4!
January 1st, 2013 at 6:15 am
Retribution,
Omar Gaither is your 16-game starter at MLB next season?
wow!!
best MLB we’ve had since Kirk Morrison, but still … que Beyonce “lemme upgrade ya!”
January 1st, 2013 at 6:17 am
DBs:
Ross start at FS
Keep Huff at CB
Branch restructure
Adams Hanson retain;
Still need another starter at cb, could be Adams or Hanson, this need is where not having a 2nd round draft pick hurts us.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:19 am
9-10 wins?? LOL, Not with NEVER WIN LOSER Palmer. Nice optimism
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Raid,
I agree. a new coordinator isn’t gonna stop Palmer from throwing INT’s or fumbling, or folding like a cheap suit in the last third of the regular season
Pryor is a “spark” which is just what this offense needs. that and a quality durable running back
January 1st, 2013 at 6:20 am
Branch restructure
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I’d cut ties with him and then re-sign Mitchell for peanuts. they are essentially the same player
January 1st, 2013 at 6:24 am
Gaither not necessarily as starting lb, but proved worthy as a back up,
If we use our first draft choice on a pass rusher or one of A&M’s OTs and not Te’o, then we will need Gaither.
Wheeler is an UFA.
McClain is a bust and a team cancer, he must go.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:25 am
Cut/trade Briesel, DHB, Rolando, Kelly, Seymour, Lechler, Palmer, and Branch and you can bring in nearly all of the top free agent talent this offseason. That is a ton of cap space free’d up.
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Riff,
I just responded to your comment:
“I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.”
if you get rid of Palmer, Kelly, Branch, Lechler & Brisiel to the cut list you go from needing 3 key elements to 8. difficult to do in one offseason – not getting players to fill the spots, but making sure they are “upgrades” at a fraction of the cost
January 1st, 2013 at 6:29 am
Don’t forget more LBs especially ILB / MLB and a stud run blocker at Guard, and a pass protector at Tackle, and a true #2 CB and…
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ArtilleryShell,
this is true. we definately need to address RT & 2CB
I’m not comfortable with Huff there and Barnes/Smith at RT. Can Cooper Carlisle survive yet another OC & line coach ??
January 1st, 2013 at 6:31 am
If we use our first draft choice on a pass rusher or one of A&M’s OTs and not Te’o, then we will need Gaither.
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I think we can find a better MLB (than Gaither) in the late rounds or maybe even undrafted. certainly in the free agent market!!
January 1st, 2013 at 6:46 am
Happy New Year Semis!!
I pray its a great one.
There is a hermit who lives in the hills near me and he follows the “black arts”.
He says this is a once a Century year (13) and its the favorite of “demons” everywhere.
Get ready because the Zombie apocalypse is brewing
January 1st, 2013 at 6:49 am
Reggie is suppose to have plenty of cash for FA’s.
Lots of teams have that every year, so what makes it so special for us this year?
Usually teams don’t have many holes to fill and you have to get rid of someone to make room on the roster.
Well Reg has plenty of room. A lot of one year contracts last year and we need someone to replace dead weights like shameless dick Seymour
January 1st, 2013 at 7:06 am
agreed, Plunk
Seymour & McClain are worthless slugs.
who would have thought an undrafted player from Harvard and a street free agent would outplay them and improve our run defense?
by the way – Happy New Year!!
January 1st, 2013 at 7:13 am
We’re going to get the right players, we’re going to get the right coaches and we’re going to build this organization the way it’s supposed to be done and we’re going to get back to the glory days of the Oakland Raiders.”
-Dennis Allen
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That’s the first time since his opening presser that he gave some lip service and said the one thing we all (well..most of us) agree we want.
It is the type of statement you would hear at a NEW coaches intro presser…not the 2nd yr. after a disastrous 4-12 season, but nice to hear anyway.
Lie to me Dennis. Tell me everything is gonna be okay.
He didn’t say when though.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:15 am
Happy New Year to all you gents.
I agreed to pull a fill in shift at the radio station today so no partying for me last night…Twilight Zone marathon on ScyFy instead.
I’m rockin’ a “Two for Tuesday” this morning. Two in a row from the Doors…Riders on the Storm and Light My Fire…that’s over 10 mins. Ill never get back.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:25 am
Lie to me Dennis. Tell me everything is gonna be okay.
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LOL
January 1st, 2013 at 7:27 am
Jhill,
havent got to chat with you in a while, but Ive been reading your material
I agree with your takes on Palmer/Pryor !!
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 am
Rockstar….the champ says good morning!
January 1st, 2013 at 7:53 am
Happy new year people.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:58 am
the champ says good morning!
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Dakota,
you having breakfast with John Boehner ??
January 1st, 2013 at 8:01 am
Sandman, Podunk, and Jwiggle….some of my favorites in here this fine morning!
Are you guys excited about getting Pryor on the field as a wr? Let’s use his talents!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:58 am
the champ says good morning!
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Dakota,
you having breakfast with John Boehner ??
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I left when he started crying over some spilt milk.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:10 am
White Devil,
How many college QBs became successful/ impact players at WR in the NFL?
Why not let the young man develop another season, so he can become an impact player at QB.
3 RDs and 1 TO!!!
Who cares about yards and cmp %?!?!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:11 am
TDs*
January 1st, 2013 at 8:12 am
You think Locker is better, and he was a 1st round pick (top 10 I think)?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:13 am
Why does Allen still have a job when he is the one responsible for hiring these losers he just fired?
And this quote: I’m not tied to a specific system. I’m tied to trying to find out what our players can do really well and try to put them in those positions to give them a chance to have success. I’m looking for production and execution, and that’s where we have to be better.
Why did he axe Wylie? Why not give Saunders a shot this year instead of proven failure Knapp time?
I hate Allen. Glad I mostly watch the best matchup of the week to get my “good football” fix.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:14 am
Happy New Yr. O.
Some guys are down on Pryor for the “floaters” but I know he has the ability to throw with some zip.
One thing he brings is the ability to scramble around and get the defense out of position like he did on that td pass to Moore.
There was a reason Moore was so wide open.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:14 am
By age 23, you either know how
To throw a decent pass or you
Don’t.
Pryor can’t throw.
What about this fact can’t you goofballs understand?
Pryor will never throw for 300 yards in the NFL.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am
Oh and if Allen is so into putting players in a position to succeed, why wasn’t there on designed run in pryors first start? I didn’t watch the entire game but I didn’t see any when I was watching, especially at times when there should have been. Like on 3rd & 3 and they have him chuck it 30 yards. Or on 3rd & 9 and he throws it 5 yards behind the LOS. Loser…
Happy new year nation!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am
Imo Pryor played just as he should have not great not horrible, he hasn’t had the reps this season and hasn’t had any real playing time. Obviously his learning curve wasn’t as short as Cam, RGIII, Rwilson, Kappy, Luck, but as we,ve seen with Sanchez early success doesn’t mean you will have sustained success. Imo we promote Pryor to backup let him learn another year behind Palmer and see if he’s ready to take the reigns from Palmer in 2014 and what I mean by that is beat Palmer out in camp and preseason in 2014. BTW with a legit OC likely on the way also bodes well for Pryor.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am
Carl,
You smell a rat too?
Keeping Allen just means wasting everyone’s time.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:22 am
Gruden, Holgrem, Reid, chip Kelly, Lovie Smith, Whiesenhunt, all available but we have to stick with DA all because Reggie’s Gut spoke to him. He should check that gut might have been indigestion
January 1st, 2013 at 8:23 am
TP will make a great back up next year if we keep CP3. I give CP props for lasting almost all year. Staying injury free is a big deal.
I don’t think TP had any major surgery and he is big and strong. I sure hope he fixes what ails him in the passing game. He may have to do it for another team.
His skills may be more valuable in a system designed to fit him rather then forcing him to do what the DA requires. And that may be the reason semis and DA see TP differently. He needs to play for Chip Kelly using the flash card offense, otherwise known as the hurry up offense.
DA plans on having a ball control offense that moves the ball slowly using the run and eats time off the clock as well as being accurate on timed posts
January 1st, 2013 at 8:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:14 am
Happy New Yr. O.
Some guys are down on Pryor for the “floaters” but I know he has the ability to throw with some zip.
One thing he brings is the ability to scramble around and get the defense out of position like he did on that td pass to Moore.
There was a reason Moore was so wide open.
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Exactly. Dude should have been asked a few times. CP or another QB would have been sacked 3-4 times that game.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:26 am
Dakota Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:14 am
By age 23, you either know how
To throw a decent pass or you
Don’t.
Pryor can’t throw.
What about this fact can’t you goofballs understand?
Pryor will never throw for 300 yards in the NFL.
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Who cares about 300 yards? How many 300 yard games did cam have last year, and how many wins did he have?
Wake up? Yards?!
How many times did CP throw for 300+ yards and we lost the game?
It’s about TDs and TOs, and he scored 3 TDs and 1 TO.
I rather have 3 TDs over 300 yards and no TDs.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
One thing we can all agree on is that the move back to power blocking is the right move. Not just for McFadden, but for the entire team. Zbs always struggle in goal line situations and short yardage situations. That was painfully clear last season. All of our rbs will benefit from this move.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:30 am
“listen guys, im not tied to any system…” oh yeah? then why did big wiz decide to take off idiot?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 am
CP threw for 300+ (almost 400) yards against Miami but we lost that game because we only managed to score ONE TD.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 am
Raider O Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:14 am
Happy New Yr. O.
Some guys are down on Pryor for the “floaters” but I know he has the ability to throw with some zip.
One thing he brings is the ability to scramble around and get the defense out of position like he did on that td pass to Moore.
There was a reason Moore was so wide open.
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Exactly. Dude should have been asked a few times. CP or another QB would have been sacked 3-4 times that game.
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I think Moore was wide open because the defender slipped and fell on the soggy field. Either way it was a TD.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:32 am
reggies gut needs to be silenced… or at least ignored.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:33 am
Raidero, cam has had quite a few 300+ yard games. Didn’t he set records for a rookie?
No team is going anywhere with a qb like Pryor. Wilson, rgIII, newton…pryors arm pales in comparison to all of them.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 am
Dakota Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
One thing we can all agree on is that the move back to power blocking is the right move. Not just for McFadden, but for the entire team. Zbs always struggle in goal line situations and short yardage situations. That was painfully clear last season. All of our rbs will benefit from this move.
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Disagree. Zone-blocking is a better system then angle-blocking, because it doesn’t require a premium running back to rack up the big yards. While we have (arguably) a premium running back in DMac, he also gets hurt every time the wind blows.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am
CP threw for 300+ yards in ATL, but we lost that game too. CP had 1 TD and 1 TO.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:39 am
Dakota Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:33 am
Raidero, cam has had quite a few 300+ yard games. Didn’t he set records for a rookie?
No team is going anywhere with a qb like Pryor. Wilson, rgIII, newton…pryors arm pales in comparison to all of them.
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I don’t care about his arm (which is fine) or 300 yards/ game. I care about winning which can be achieved by scoring more than your opponent and protecting the ball.
Read this slowly and try to comprehend it: 3 TDs and 1 TO…. Period!!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:41 am
Raider O Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am
CP threw for 300+ yards in ATL, but we lost that game too. CP had 1 TD and 1 TO.
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You may not have noticed, but we lost the fame Pryor threw for 150 yards in too….and it wasn’t close until a late garbage td, so you can let yourselves be diluted, but I will be here to remind all of you about the reality of the situation lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am
Sorry….damn phone!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 am
I got a vote of confidence in DA just by how hastily he got rid of knapp and co and didn’t drag out the process for weeks. It also tells me DA is about hiring the best and not just his buddies. With that being said with a good offseason there will be no excuses for DA in 2013 if he doesn’t go 8-8 or better he should be shown the door this team isn’t as far away as some would like to believe.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 am
Morilla,
Maybe it was Pryor’s running around that caused the guy to slip?
I don’t know. Like u said..it was a TD. I give credit to Pryor for seeing Moore in the end zone.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:48 am
Dakota Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am
Carl,
You smell a rat too?
Keeping Allen just means wasting everyone’s time.
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Agreed.
Don’t like him at all. Should I post that Q&A from his inaugural presser again? The one that, to me, have me the impression he’s a scum bag.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:49 am
Happy New Year NATION!!!
and my GreenParty brothers!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:52 am
It also tells me DA is about hiring the best and not just his buddies
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Hey eastoak, if this true, then why didnt he just keep Saunders & wylie rather than bum buddy knapp & his pal pollock? Firing them then one day after the season ends doesn’t show me anything other than hi canning his buddies to save his own job.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:53 am
I got a vote of confidence in DA just by how hastily he got rid of knapp and co and didn’t drag out the process for weeks. It also tells me DA is about hiring the best and not just his buddies.
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DA hastily got rid of knapp to save his own arse…..blamed the other coaches for the decisions he made….knapp just did what he was hired to do…..DA is the real problem…..and thats a reflection on reggie…..reggie is the guy that needs to correct HIS mistake
January 1st, 2013 at 8:54 am
Dakota Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:41 am
Raider O Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:36 am
CP threw for 300+ yards in ATL, but we lost that game too. CP had 1 TD and 1 TO.
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You may not have noticed, but we lost the fame Pryor threw for 150 yards in too….and it wasn’t close until a late garbage td, so you can let yourselves be diluted, but I will be here to remind all of you about the reality of the situation lol.
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But we didn’t lose because TP managed to score 1 TD and 1 TO like CP. we lost because our STs are sorry, and our coach made the wrong call before the end of the 1st half.
TPs INT didn’t help.
Btw, you may not have noticed, but we didn’t score a TD in the last 2 weeks and scored 51 points in 4 games with CP who is a solid vet QB.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:55 am
Happy new year Mr. ODB.
Long Live The ODB and toothless women!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:56 am
00t00 said what I tried on my tiny ass button iPhone!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:57 am
CP:
51 points in 4 games and no TDs against KC.
TP:
21 points in 1 games, and 3 TDs in his 1st start
January 1st, 2013 at 8:58 am
Happy New Year everyone.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:59 am
O dog!!
happy new year Mr V.P.!!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 9:05 am
Carl Weathers Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:52 am
It also tells me DA is about hiring the best and not just his buddies
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Hey eastoak, if this true, then why didnt he just keep Saunders & wylie rather than bum buddy knapp & his pal pollock? Firing them then one day after the season ends doesn’t show me anything other than hi canning his buddies to save his own job.
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They were obviously bad moves and who knows maybe RM made him fire those guys but just like I was willing to give Hue another shot(who did much better btw) I’m willing to give DA another shot but this is it no excuses produce or be gone.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:06 am
Good Morning East Oak
I would love for us to jump into the playoffs next year.
It is not that I like to think this is a 3-5 year project.
I have just followed the game for a long time and the quick fixes that fans think occurred were really just a culmination of many moves that took years to make.
It might look like the last move was what turned things around, but upon further inspection it was a culmination of things.
The Redskins are a good example. Three years of Shanahan building his lines (Out of his first six 1st and 2nd round picks-5 were in the box), so he could get a RB in the 6th round to build the number one rushing team in the NFL.
Some think it was RGIII. The reality is without the supporting cast RGIII would have been ineffective this year.
We need to build our team from the inside out and I just wish we had a full complement of picks to do it.
We have big holes on both lines.
We don’t a full complement of picks till next year and we are not doing it through FA because that does not work (we tried that for the last ten years and we still have cap limitations.)
Shanahan even told Snyder it is a 5 year project.
Why is our situation different?
January 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am
Raiders need to keep the same head coach for two years.
Allen wanted it last year, he’s earned enough to continue the progress.
I truly think he recognizes his weaknesses as well as the players.
He remained loyal to his staff, fired the ones holding the team back at the end of the year.
He holds himself accountable, and others.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am
Ray_d Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:22 am
Gruden, Holgrem, Reid, chip Kelly, Lovie Smith, Whiesenhunt, all available but we have to stick with DA all because Reggie’s Gut spoke to him. He should check that gut might have been indigestion
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Exactly…We’re wasting another year with this idiot, Pryor is gonna have to learn a new system, I’m saying right now we will be fighting for the 1st pick next year.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:18 am
Raider O now officially the most moronic and worthless poster here. A complete football-ignorant clown. Couldn’t recognize a good or bad qb in his dreams. What a tool.
Wanna bet he calls me racist? Like a stupid little toy.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:22 am
Was the offensive line as bad as we think it was? The Raiders had the 5th most passing attempts in the league this year. Yet they the QB was only sacked 27 times (the 5th fewest in the league). They also seemed to open up holes for running backs (Reece and Goodson) not named McFadden. Now did it have to do with Palmer getting rid of passes before he could be sacked? How come Reece and Goodson got huge chunks of yardage while McFadden continually rushed for 1, 2, or 3 yards?
Now the D-line was a different story. The second fewest sacks (25) in the league this year. Shaughnessy was not the same player coming off an injury. Kelly had more stupid penalties than sacks this year. Did Seymour play half a season. Desmond Bryant is a free agent. I think THIS IS THE POSITION THAT THE RAIDERS NEED TO FOCUS IN ON DRAFT DAY. Reggie, pick a can’t miss DE or DT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
January 1st, 2013 at 9:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:25 am
Cut/trade Briesel, DHB, Rolando, Kelly, Seymour, Lechler, Palmer, and Branch and you can bring in nearly all of the top free agent talent this offseason. That is a ton of cap space free’d up.
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Riff,
I just responded to your comment:
“I honestly think we are a true #1 WR, gamechanging DE, and a #1 CB away from being a 9-10 win team.”
if you get rid of Palmer, Kelly, Branch, Lechler & Brisiel to the cut list you go from needing 3 key elements to 8. difficult to do in one offseason – not getting players to fill the spots, but making sure they are “upgrades” at a fraction of the cost
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How do you figure we then need 8 spots to fill?
Im not saying that we only have 3 spots. Im just saying those are the most pressing with TP as the starter. If we keep CP3, which we are and should, then rebuilding the O-Line then becomes paramount.
My thing with Pryor is that he makes our crappy O-Line look good. Covers up all the weaknesses with his feet. Keeps the D off balance, and helps relieve pressure on our anemic run game. Did you even notice Bergstrom on Sunday? No. Because of TP6. But thats all moot anyways. Palmer is here for 2013, as he should be.
But to answer your question, Kelly and Seymore are easily replaceable with the guys we already have on the team playing DT. Bryant and Bilikudi played good enough for me.
Branch can be easily and cheaply replaced with MM34.
Lechler with King
And Gaither did just fine at MLB. He was very good in coverage and never looked lost out there. I just watched the SD game again last night and specifically looked at his play and was more than impressed. Pro Bowler? No. Liability, hell no. And that is a major upgrade.
So you see, I think we have the guys on the roster to fill the voids from the proposed cuts/trades. And I think we could do it easily.
Its the WR position, CB, and DE that we need to find in FA and the draft. and also build depth in our O-Line and LB core with the draft.
We can get Moore at DE with our first pick. Boom, one position filled. Keep Houston (love his motor), Bryant, and Bilikudi. Crawford and Carter can stay too. Shonasty has been a dissapointment to me. I studied the film specifically looking at him several games this year and he’s just not worth keeping over drafting Moore.
You asked me what happens to the WR… May the best man win. Sign a FA WR. We cant do WR in the draft and wait for yet another guy to develop. a FA and Hagan will be our vets. Streater is a lock. Thats 3 of the 6. Im ok with Ford as he’s better than the rest of the guys. That makes 4. Criner catches the ball and goes up for it. That makes him more valuable to me than DHB even tho DHB does just about everything right EXCEPT catch the ball.
Then their is the matter of the O-Line. And I really dont know how to fix it without starting Pryor. Palmer will get killed again next year playing behind Barnes and the other bums. Carlisle is gone so we have to replace him no matter what.
It’s not going to be easy for Reggie and Co.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:24 am
Hello all I’m new here. I read many of the respones and figured I’d chime in. The one thing that’s glaring to me is that Dakota is stupid. Sorry,you just are. In one week of getting reps TP outplayed CP and it’s clear to me he gives us the best chance to win. I’m not saying he’s polished, he even knows he has work to do, but his ability to extend plays has to be utilized. He’s the future and the future is now.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:26 am
How does the DC keep his job?
It took a whole season to figure out Knapp was incompetent?
Team went from playoff contention to a team I couldn’t even watch.
Denver defense improved greatly after Allen left.
Allen has shown he is incompetent decision maker.
And MacKenzie hired Allen.
This just looks…..bad.
All I care about in the NFL is the Raiders.
I don’t even know all the teams in the playoffs.
Raiders don’t win at all, NFL is no fun for me. I find something else to do on Sunday.
This F__ing sucks.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:26 am
Issues on the lines:
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am
…………Allen wanted it last year, he’s earned enough to continue the progress.
………………………He holds himself accountable, and others.
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ok…i’ll bite…..what the hell did he do to earn another year….how did he hold himself accountable…those are just words…not reality……DA is the least qualified coach in the nfl….less qualified than all the coaches that got fired……and he assembled the least qualified coaching staff in the nfl…tarver deserves the boot too
reggie is the guy that needs to man up and correct his mistake
January 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am
RRS, I guess when it comes to the WRs…..
Free Agent
Streater
Hagan
Are my locks. They are dependable.
Ford and Criner can “make plays”.
It’s up to Denarius and Darius to fight for the 6th spot. One guy has all the effort in the world but lacks a basic skill. The other has all the skill in the world and lacks effort. Both are severely flawed and Im tired of it. They can battle for the final spot.
Let training camp then decide the depth chart order.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:31 am
Dr_robert Says:
Basically ask urself if u really want to align urself with two of the most football-ignorant stooges ever heard from.
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Aint this the truth. A scary thing to consider for sure.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:31 am
the red zones a problem how many times did we get in the red zone and had to kick a field goal we need our running game and
January 1st, 2013 at 9:32 am
the red zones a problem how many times did we get in the red zone and had to kick a field goal we need our running game
January 1st, 2013 at 9:33 am
Dr. Nob is seeking male attention again? Pathetic!
Why were You banned before you racist troll?
You were banned for your racist posts.
Racist trash!
January 1st, 2013 at 9:33 am
I have a question for Coach Allen,
Hey Coach, who did you leave in charge of your team when your Father was on his deathbed?
CHECKMATE!
January 1st, 2013 at 9:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:25 am
Cut/trade Briesel, DHB, Rolando, Kelly, Seymour, Lechler, Palmer, and Branch and you can bring in nearly all of the top free agent talent this offseason. That is a ton of cap space free’d up.
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cutting briesel, dhb, rolando, kelly, palmer and branch are all BIG cap hits…not savings….briesal and branch just signed new contracts…they arent going anywhere….palmer just restructured…who are you going to replace palmer with…TP…lets get real
January 1st, 2013 at 9:36 am
Dr. Nob is obsessed with Mistic, BHP, and Beeech. I think he Is stalking me too now.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:37 am
Allen actually said about Tarver,”“I was pleased with where Jason was. J.T. does a good job for us. He’s a very smart football coach.”
Dude.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am
Yeah baby! Now I know I have reached elite semi status. I have a stalker.
I guess this makes me a blog personality.
LOL @ you people.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:44 am
Didnt score any td`s for many quarters, TP gets three in his 1st start in pissing rain and some fans dog him for it, they use to losing man they love it,some prefer pretty rainbow passing garbage time losses to blood and guts fight for every yard …they refuse to acknowledge WR`s get more seperation with a mobile QB,plays are kept alive,some are happy to watch our WR`s getting blown up every week,they so use to this losing culture they refuse to remember how many ugly drives Palmer quit on,do they forget he failed time and time again to move the chains and its not all on Knapp,CP wouldnt improvise even when he knew the offence sucked ,,,if Palmer dont retire then he should re-do his contract and back-up/ mentor TP moving foward the NFL is changing to this type of dual-threat qb and we need to move chains with rhythm TP is the future and he will fight, he will not quit
January 1st, 2013 at 9:50 am
Charlie,
Basically we don’t have a 2nd round pick or a 5th (?).
I don’t see how that is so devastating to a draft.
If Reggie came out and said the reason we didn’t win is becuz we didn’t have a 2nd round pick this yr. everyone would be outraged. It certainly doesn’t help we don’t have that, but it seems a crafty GM could make a move to get back that 2nd rounder. Or is Reggie unable to do that?
Build the lines? I can’t argue with that. It is something we did back in the day to SB results.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:51 am
Raider O=missdick for those of u who don’t know.
U pathetic cretins. Pryor better than Palmer? Only a housewife or stupid kid could think so. Pryor would laugh at u. Most moronic posters ever. Complete inability to evaluate a player. Simply laughable. Any nfl person would make fun of u.
Call me racist now pink b1tch. I said do it now slave.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Meltdown!
Meltdown!
So why were you banned?
“Epic” Meltdown!
LOL
Too easy and fun.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:57 am
Dr. Nob was banned for posting racist trash. That’s all you need to know about Dr. Nob.
Dr. Nob = ignorant Racist Troll
January 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am
DJ
I am also factoring in our draft issues this year with no first or second rounder. When I say 3-5 years I am starting with this past season.At this point I would say 2-4 years.
I believe if we nail this year’s draft and next year’s draft we can make a playoff push in our third year 2014.
We are also working with a completely new scouting department.
Again, we are dealing with more wholesale change than any team in the NFL with some lingering cap issues. Many things have to go right for us to return to playoff form.
January 1st, 2013 at 9:58 am
Dance boy!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:00 am
Perform for me. Little clown. Entertain me little dummy. For free. Ur my slave.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:01 am
We have a. First round draft pick this year.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:01 am
C’mon performing monkey.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:02 am
Wow. Pryor scores 3 tds & the blog yards go into full meltdown.
Is this because Palmer can only be viewed as a stop gap seat warmer , & Pryor has taken the qb question off the table? Palmer is not the future & the office sees Pryor as the hier apperent.
So in response the focus has shifted to me? As usual Palmer worshipers start trying to make it a race issue.
I will bring it back to what is glaring true. Pryor put on a show with half a week of first team practice & his 3 tds & command of the team have exposed local media blog tards & Allen as fools.
I’m certain that his teammates all know that he is the man moving forward & he was clearly a galvanizing force on Sunday.
You better believe based on Allen’s comments the next oc will only get the job if he proves he has a solid plan for Pryor & dmac. They will be what the offense is built around not Palmer.
I know Pryor gives Palmer credit that’s called humility & gratitude , but make. I mistake Pryor succeeded on Sunday becuase of HIS OWN TALENT DEDICATION & DRIVE TO BE GREAT..
I find it interesting that Palmer worshipers take solace in the fact that Palmer has helped Pryor in some capacity. This makes it easier or more palatable for them when pryo does well, lol.
What ever floats your boat I guessbut Palmer wasn’t even at practice or in the meetings this week, SO PRYOR DID WHAT HE DID SUNDAY ON HIS OWN!!!
Despite knapp & Allen failing to give him even 50% of the starter reps.
Some of the impostor fans should consider killing themsces now, becuase before 2013 is over Pryor will be starting qb for the Oakland raiders
Book it
January 1st, 2013 at 10:02 am
well… Happy New Year brothers!
and for my first sarcastic post of the year….
After yesterday, there is a good possibility Lane Kiffin will be available to fill the void at OC.
Reggie should give him a call!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:03 am
Slave?!
Dance boy?!
How old are you? That’s pathetic!
Try to make it fun you mental midget. You lack creativity like Knapp.
Your mom lied, you are not special, you are retarded!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:05 am
Allen has 4 year contract, Davis would’ve have had to pay him the remaining three years.
Raiders need to prove they will stand by their head coach and allow to succeed or fail.
I would’ve love to have had Tony Dungee or Gruden return, or Fischer; they didn’t want to be a part of us.
Raiders now have signs of discipline and accountability; that has earned Allen another year.
Psst money does not grow on trees, even the NFL can’t just print money.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:06 am
Keep dancing monkey boy. Trotting out ur alter ego immediately upon me saying it. Ur a good little slave. Make me laugh slave boy!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:08 am
Lol. Pryor is no ones future qb. Keep dreaming black supremacist. Ur showing f everyone ur ineptitude. Lol. Now perform for me. Like I told u to.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:09 am
It was good to see TP acquit himself well on Sunday…Still a ways to go in his development but he played with poise and showed the stage wasn’t too big for him…If he continues to develop in training camp we’ll have a solid backup who can move the offense and possibly our future long-term starter.
Also good to see SackKnapp and his O-line coach gone…If Saunders doesn’t want the full OC workload let’s bring him back as a consultant and hire a fresh young like-minded OC.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:10 am
Palmer told Pryor what to do at all times and he took the orders like a good boy. And thanked him publicly like a thankful puppet with his hat in his hand. He’s fortunate mark sees fit to employ him. Lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:11 am
Ur so easy.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:11 am
Pryor cured the biggest problems wr have had all year with less than half of starting reps in one eek of practice.
3rd downs & red zone …… Solved
I’m certain this is not lost on big Mack & Davis .
Also consider this. WHO THE FUGG IS GOING TO BUT TICKETS TO WATCH PALMER????
Umm nobody
I garuntee that people buy tix to watch Pryor he had the sd stadium on fire Sunday!!
Another item that big Mack & Davis noticed.
Time is running on Carson
The wave of the future now lives in oakland
Roll with us or get rolled over bichez
January 1st, 2013 at 10:11 am
Another “Epic” Meltdown by Dr. Nob.
LMAO
January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am
Is anybody really saying Pryor is BETTER than Palmer?
Pryor certainly has more mobility, but as far as a passing arm? C’mon now.
Say what u want (and we have) about Palmer not being able to carry bad football teams on his back and win despite it all, but his ability to throw the football has never been an issue. His judgement at times? Yes.
Seems like we have this division of if you like Palmer u have to dislike Pryor or vice versa. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Pryor’s mobility and evasiveness coupled with Palmers arm would be freaking awesome.
Only in the movies I guess.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am
Poor clown. This is what u crave isn’t it? I’m just giving the good ole “white supremacy” u roll around in like a little pig in slop. Hilarious.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am
The racist troll thinks I’m Mistic?!
LMAO
He is retarded!
Still LOL
January 1st, 2013 at 10:15 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am
Is anybody really saying Pryor is BETTER than Palmer?
Pryor certainly has more mobility, but as far as a passing arm? C’mon now.
Say what u want (and we have) about Palmer not being able to carry bad football teams on his back and win despite it all, but his ability to throw the football has never been an issue. His judgement at times? Yes.
Seems like we have this division of if you like Palmer u have to dislike Pryor or vice versa. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Pryor’s mobility and evasiveness coupled with Palmers arm would be freaking awesome.
Only in the movies I guess.
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Ignore the troll to have fun with IT, but don’t try to debate with a racist troll. You must be bored.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:15 am
Palmer will be our starter for at least one more season…Pryor did a good job in his first start but still has a ways to go…Kid has the talent and the attitude so I wouldn’t bet against him starting for us one day.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:16 am
Troll OR* have fun…
January 1st, 2013 at 10:18 am
All of you Pryor Bashers can have it your way! Let Palmer start and when we get the same results we had the past two years Reggie Knows where to go and you all can jump right off the Raider Wagon that don’t see Palmers best years were already behind him!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:19 am
Missdick living in his dream world again. Another year of him pretending white nazis are all around trying to stop black qb’s from succeeding. Scary little creep. Nobody thinks Pryor will ever start u little dummy! He’s a nice kid that simply can’t pass the ball. But if that’s what makes u happy, keep researching the game and posting ur fantasies all day every day. Cuz it will never happen in real life.
Does anyone else think missdick might actually be fangs trying to get people to thinks blacks are dumb? And raider O would be like his little pet.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:20 am
Happy New Year Canuck!
Haven’t talked with you in a while.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am
851,
You know what I’m saying O right?
Let’s be honest. Pryor can do things that Palmer can’t and vice versa.
It would’ve helped if his receivers could catch the freaking ball better.
Pryor’s start at least exposed the fact we NEED guys who can hold onto the dang ball…and maybe come back to it ..instead of standing there waiting for it to fall gently into their loving arms.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:22 am
Well, I’m out of here…Too much troll nonsense.
Happy New Year to the real Raider Nation members.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:23 am
Hey J Hill…Just saw your post…Have a great 2013 buddy.
Raider Nation forever!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:27 am
Pryor blows as a qb. Pretty simple really. Will never start another nfl game barring injury. Maybe missdick will try to take Palmer out tonya Harding-style.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:27 am
Unlike Many of you I go to Games and sit near scouts who wear their gear and listen to their take on Palmer! I sat with a Clevland scout at the Saints game prior to the Cleavland Game and I asked him what he thought of Palmer were because as a Raiders Fan I was Never impressed while he played for Cincy! I asked did he suffer concusions due too his lack of dumping the ball when he had people open? He just smiled! The week against Cleavland a whole group was there from Cleavland including a mask wearing Dog Pound Fan! The comment was who’s your QB and a lot of Laughing and we all know what happened!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:27 am
Thanks for all the posts Riff
Happy New Year to all the grumpy old men on the blog from a guy looking at snow, and clear cold skies in another part of the world where everybody still makes moonshine.
If you want a good analogy about qbs, and their surrounding cast of characters, just swap teams with Manning and Palmer. Denver has good mix of running and passing, great receivers (look at the 2 catches for tds against the chiefs), great protection, and a defense that really helps. How do you think Manning would do here, getting killed with no running game. Yeah, he’s more disciplined than Palmer, and has a quicker release, but he moves even worse, and he has lots of time to go through his progressions. Palmer go so used to running for his life that when he finally did have time, his timing was off (or the receivers dropped balls or ran the wrong routs).
Because of his contract, Palmer’s not going any where and he’s a great mentor for TP.
About TP, I saw him throw lots of different passes, and extend plays in the game. He zipped balls that were dropped and in that pig sty that passed for a field where everyone was slipping and ad libbing (I bet the conditions helped the Chargers), he had sense enough to throw touch passes. Perfect? Of course not! but he has the instincts, strength, and talent to keep getting better. When was the last time you saw a qb with a one armed world wrestling move fling a 210 pound running back out of a scrum in order to not get another stupid personal foul penalty called at exactly the wrong time (of course we did, but he scored a td anyway!)? He seems sincere, and is smart enough when microphones are stuck in his face to say all the right things. He’s had his own personal walk-about from the kiss ass college heights to the lows of sitting and sitting and wondering if he would be selling insurance in the real world. If he’s 7 on the wonder-lick, or what ever it’s called, then make up another test. I’m just an architect, what do I know, but it seems to me there’s lots of different types of intelligence. Left brain, right brain, and an infinite amount of combinations.
How bout a safety to go along with a cb, and beast pass rusher
January 1st, 2013 at 10:30 am
So what Im saying everyone that came with Knapp is gone just waiting on the release of Lienert!If it weren’t for the deal made with Puggy Jackson we would be losing Palmer Also and my get out of his contract by Retirement! LOL!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:31 am
Anyone who watched Pryor Sunday and thinks they were watching an nfl qb simply doesn’t understand the game beyond the level of a housewife. Sorry.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am
that housewife just scored 3 tds.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am
851,
You know what I’m saying O right?
Let’s be honest. Pryor can do things that Palmer can’t and vice versa.
It would’ve helped if his receivers could catch the freaking ball better.
Pryor’s start at least exposed the fact we NEED guys who can hold onto the dang ball…and maybe come back to it ..instead of standing there waiting for it to fall gently into their loving arms.
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I don’t understand all the TP/ CP hate?
CP is the best QB we had since Gannon.
TP is the best prospect since Jabustus, but with a better work ethic and no drug issues.
Both QBs are under contract next year.
The only position on the team that is not a weakness, and people are not satisfied.
You People are mad!
January 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am
raiderlization Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:18 am
All of you Pryor Bashers can have it your way! Let Palmer start and when we get the same results we had the past two years Reggie Knows where to go and you all can jump right off the Raider Wagon that don’t see Palmers best years were already behind him!
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so hilarious. so go look at Palmer’s stats.
would it be fair to say that if Carson had say… oh i dunno… an OL, receivers, a running game, defensive support, good playcalling.. that he would be more effective? you REALLY THINK he’s the problem?
yea no redzone TD’s … okay, well see above. the man still had 22 TD’s with none of those things stated. the lack of redzone TD’s have more to do with the PLAYCALLING more than the QB. the year before we struggled with it it’s true, but Palmer had the same road blocks as he does this year, only worse since DHB and Moore regressed.
i’m not some Palmer jock rider, but i want what’s best for the Raiders. guys like you would rather take the huge hit of letting him go and going on faith that Pryor will be the man starting next year rather than keeping Palmer and let Pryor EASE INTO THE POSITION and learn behind him. it’s idiotic really. there isn’t one GM or HC in the league(or former great) that would make the decision to drop him for Pryor at this point.
if any of you think he’s on the level of RGIII, Kaepernick, or Wilson as of right now, then you really need to stop watching football.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:33 am
How bout a safety to go along with a cb, and beast pass rusher
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I think you’ll see Ross a S, and Chekwa and Adams at Corner.
Will Huff, Branch, AND Mitchell be back?
I think that would be a solid core 6.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:36 am
If Reg did fire Knapp mid-season he would lose credibility in bringing in a top OC now,it was painful to watch ,but on the other hand the new OC knows he will get time if the o is improving
January 1st, 2013 at 10:39 am
all you trade dmac idiots put it away…they got rid of krapp and his zbs….dmac is here to stay….good.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
I will say unequivicolly that I’d MUCH rather see Pryor any day than Leinart.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
thank you O
we are set at the position.
Pryor needs more snaps, i will agree there. they need to put him in on red zone plays… we need more creativeness if we want to win games. he’s just not ready to be an every day starter is all.
as i predicted when Al made him his final draft pick, the kid will be a starter someday. that’s why he got the 4 year deal. we have him locked in and he is making the most of his opportunities. that’s very, very encouraging. he will be our starter within the next 2 seasons after Palmer’s arm has completely lost it’s touch and zip.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:43 am
DMAC = will be resigned as long as they promise him that this ZBS is going to be scrapped.
Leinart = will be replaced with a rookie late round(undrafted) QB .. as he should be
Shaughnessy = will put on 20 lbs and moved inside and the best pass rusher in the draft will be right next to him. (that’s on my wish list anyway)
January 1st, 2013 at 10:44 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:43 am
DMAC = will be resigned as long as they promise him that this ZBS is going to be scrapped.
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No need to re-sign him; he still has a year left on his contract.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Goodbye Taiwan Jones. Goodbye Richard Seymour. Goodbye Mike Mitchell. Goodbye Tommy Kelley. Goodbye Juron Criner. Goodbye Shane Lechler. Goodbye Rolando McClain. Goodbye Matt Girodano.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Gentlemen. Do we really need to start the new year off with so much race baiting and hating? Who cares about petty arguments. I like Palmer and Pryor. I am happy for Pryor. Lets all be happy and rejoice that our off season got off to a good start. TP had a good game and Allen dumped some coaches. There is hope. Now if Reggie and Allen are in the office diligently working on the draft and the FA pulse, we’ll be in good shape.
Now Nebraska and Georgia is gonna be a barn burner game. Have fun with that. Peace y’all.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:49 am
yes sorry what i meant was this year the ZBS will be scrapped and he will be back to beastmode again with a power blocking scheme… that way he’ll want to stay a Raider
BTW, any chance Bob Wiley is still floating around out there? we need him back as our OL coach. i’d say he was more key than Wiz for our guys. the magician as it were, right?
January 1st, 2013 at 10:49 am
Greetings Raider Nation. I’ve been looking for a Raiders blog for a while now, and the ones I’ve seen seem to be full of haters. There seems to be some pretty decent insight on what ails our squad right now. I look forward to getting to know other life-long Raiders fans, and I also look forward to some good debates when we disagree on things. I do want to share one thing, ending 2012 and beginning 2013 with Knapp no longer the OC is about the best way to close the old year and bring in the new year. GO RAIDERS
January 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
JFB, good riddence!
i can’t wait to get some young, hungry big uglies up front, and a new badass MLB with Burris and Wheeler on each side. we will ALL notice an instant difference with the scrubs gone for good.
we do need our Ngata up front though. who’s out there in FA or the draft? is Star THAT good?
January 1st, 2013 at 10:52 am
peace, tourtois
January 1st, 2013 at 10:53 am
Palmer the starter.
TP number 2 next year.
Leinart gone replaced by and FCS type QB as an undrafted FA.
Next topic.
I think the interesting situation is OC. Has to be somebody with decent NFL experience to work with Palmer.
I think Saunders would be great given his knowledge of what has gone on with the O the last few years.
Also begins to get you thinking that our first pick will be an OT.
We need Dline help desperately as well but the more I see where this is going the more I see a strategy to beat Denver. We need to keep Peyton off the field to beat the Broncos. You do that by running the ball along with a balanced passing game.
Need a solid Oline to punish the Broncos front seven.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:53 am
The next big thing we’ve got going is finding out who our new OC is gonna be.
The name “Knapp” has to be one of the most used words (names) on any Raider blog…anywhere, so obviously this is of great interest to all of us.
Do we want some up and comer…i.e: “No Name”?
No real rumors yet that i’ve seen on who this mystery man will be.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:40 am
I will say unequivicolly that I’d MUCH rather see Pryor any day than Leinart.
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well, that is for sure. leinart will never be in the nfl again after his performance.
but pryor will never be the raiders qb. he has absolutely every ingredient but the arm. maybe the worst throwing display by a qb i’ve ever seen in the nfl.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:53 am
The next big thing we’ve got going is finding out who our new OC is gonna be.
The name “Knapp” has to be one of the most used words (names) on any Raider blog…anywhere, so obviously this is of great interest to all of us.
Do we want some up and comer…i.e: “No Name”?
No real rumors yet that i’ve seen on who this mystery man will be.
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Chris Hansen floated the names of Aaron Kromer and Joe Lombardi last night, but then today say it’d be Saunders. I suspect the guy’s throwing darts at this point.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am
I say Mark should open his wallet and do what his dad never did… PAY GOOD COACHES! ala Whisenhunt or Norv. we need a proven playcaller rather than Crappy Knappy, or even JOE LOMBARDI because of his name. i keep seeing people say that.. eww. Shurmur might be interesting though given his power schemes. might fit this team well.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:57 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Goodbye Taiwan Jones. Goodbye Richard Seymour. Goodbye Mike Mitchell. Goodbye Tommy Kelley. Goodbye Juron Criner. Goodbye Shane Lechler. Goodbye Rolando McClain. Goodbye Matt Girodano.
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jones will be back as a cb/st guy. mitchell will be back. kelly actually could be back. criner will for sure. even gio could be.
but most importantly, there is one less green beanie needed.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am
Pryor’s start at least exposed the fact we NEED guys who can hold onto the dang ball…and maybe come back to it ..instead of standing there waiting for it to fall gently into their loving arms.
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PRYOR’S start exposed that for you?
Did you miss the previous 15 games or something?
January 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
if any of you think he’s on the level of RGIII, Kaepernick, or Wilson as of right now, then you really need to stop watching football.
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Yea no kidding. The scouting report coming out of college said he’s got accuracy issues and doesn’t throw a very good ball … and thats exactly what I saw. Basically all he did well was scramble around until he could loft a ball to a wide open receiver that wasn’t moving.
He threw behind the receiver on EVERY slant pattern (which is the easiest pass in football) and everyone saw how his passes all fluttered out of his hand.
He will be a career backup, IMO.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am
yes i know, DA will not want someone better than him calling plays. it will make him all frazzled… i’m sure they’ll follow the same lame ass trend of bringing in a nobody from the college ranks and we’ll see an even bigger drop off in offensive production.
January 1st, 2013 at 10:59 am
DJ
At this juncture, we need a proven OC, not another up and coming guy who is still trying to figure things out. The learning curve is too big for OCs. Having said that, there are some decent OCs out there who I hope are not even being considered, namely perennial loser Norv Turner. His claim to fame was being the Dallas OC in their heyday back in the 90s. No thanks. Al Saunders would be my top choice, unless a Ken Whisenhunt is an option.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Gdog, you may be right. i hope you’re wrong and he practices his ass off day in and day out. he seems the type to put in that kind of work so we’ll see where it goes.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:02 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Goodbye Taiwan Jones. Goodbye Richard Seymour. Goodbye Mike Mitchell. Goodbye Tommy Kelley. Goodbye Juron Criner. Goodbye Shane Lechler. Goodbye Rolando McClain. Goodbye Matt Girodano.
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I’m gonna miss Giordano flailing on the ground gripping an extremity after he messes up a coverage or misses a tackle.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:03 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:13 am
Is anybody really saying Pryor is BETTER than Palmer?
Pryor certainly has more mobility, but as far as a passing arm? C’mon now.
Say what u want (and we have) about Palmer not being able to carry bad football teams on his back and win despite it all, but his ability to throw the football has never been an issue. His judgement at times? Yes.
Seems like we have this division of if you like Palmer u have to dislike Pryor or vice versa. It doesn’t have to be that way.
Pryor’s mobility and evasiveness coupled with Palmers arm would be freaking awesome.
Only in the movies I guess.
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Raider O is so right. QB is the last thing we should be worried about right now. We have a quality QB vet and a developmental guy in waiting. And they both get along and help each other. It’s a DREAM situation.
DJ, nobody here actually thinks Pryor is better than CP3. Only Mistic and he’s only doing it becuase he’s actually some white kid who is trying to stir up hate towards blacks.
Pryor has the potential to do things though that CP3 cannot do. TP can mask many of our teams weaknesses with his legs. The same way Gannon used to do.
I agree with you and I also dont understand why their is such a divide between the CP3 fans and TP6 fans. In all honesty, I think the VAST majority are moderates on this issue. Raider O is Pryor’s biggest (legitimate) supporter and even he thinks we should keep Palmer around.
The only people that are delusional are Mistic and all the haters he inspires that use TP to get under his skin.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:04 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am
Pryor’s start at least exposed the fact we NEED guys who can hold onto the dang ball…and maybe come back to it ..instead of standing there waiting for it to fall gently into their loving arms.
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PRYOR’S start exposed that for you?
Did you miss the previous 15 games or something?
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Hahaha good one.
I guess for many, they still thought the OC or Palmer was the problem.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:05 am
Any names floated yet? Any rumors on what direction Raiders might go?
January 1st, 2013 at 11:05 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:53 am
The next big thing we’ve got going is finding out who our new OC is gonna be.
The name “Knapp” has to be one of the most used words (names) on any Raider blog…anywhere, so obviously this is of great interest to all of us.
Do we want some up and comer…i.e: “No Name”?
No real rumors yet that i’ve seen on who this mystery man will be.
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Chris Hansen floated the names of Aaron Kromer and Joe Lombardi last night, but then today say it’d be Saunders. I suspect the guy’s throwing darts at this point.
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Saunders wouldn’t be a bad idea. he’s been around the players long enough, including the most important, CP3.
that way we will know for sure we are going back to pwoer blocking and a vertical passing game, WHAT WE’RE BUILT FOR! that also means a return of Bob Wiley as our OL coach(and hopefully Wiz as well as asst OL coach)
January 1st, 2013 at 11:05 am
edward teach Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:21 am
Pryor’s start at least exposed the fact we NEED guys who can hold onto the dang ball…and maybe come back to it ..instead of standing there waiting for it to fall gently into their loving arms.
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PRYOR’S start exposed that for you?
Did you miss the previous 15 games or something?
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I meant it exposed to EVERYONE (inc. Palmer haters) that this was the case.
Oh, i’ve been painfully aware of this issue for a while.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
I have said on many previous posts why you all may be very dissapointed with OC coming from outside our organization.
I have pointed out that there are several other opportunities for an OC in the NFL that are much better than what we have to offer.
If we tell a prospective candidate that we plan on investing our first pick in the Oline it may help.
To simply say that this is what you have, make it a lot better? The candidate quickly returns the call from Chicago or Philly.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
last thing i’m gonna say about pryor/missdick (i’m really gonna try!). missdisck is NOT a raider fan. he wants very badly to to align himself with a black qb so if and when that qb makes good, he can claim some sort of alliance and shout hatred at “all the white supremacists who wanted him to fail”. he’s really full of bitterness and hatred. i feel sorry for him. but i do like to make fun of him at times. trying to give that up for my new year’s blog resolution.
personally, i love pryor. one of my favorite raiders right now, along with palmer. but in my view, he will never be a successful nfl qb, due to his horrendous passing.
and sorry, but i don’t think they will use him much at all next season, not in “packages” or on 3rd downs, or in the red zone. why would they take out a good qb in those crucial situations? and please don’t give me “3 td’s!”. we all watched the game. he was very lucky on both passing td’s. 90% of the time, thos would end up as an offensive penalty on dhb and a pick. if u can’t see that it would never end up that good in multiple games, then u simply don’t get football. palmer did throw 22 td’s in 14 games with that pathetic wr staff. and no running game cuz dmc sucks now.
as raiders fand, u all want to be hopeful. but why put ur hopes on a guy that can’t throw well? u deserve better. root for our current qb and hope we get a good young qb in the draft this year or next. but don’t buy a pipe dream. pryor belongs at wr.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Goodbye Taiwan Jones. Goodbye Richard Seymour. Goodbye Mike Mitchell. Goodbye Tommy Kelley. Goodbye Juron Criner. Goodbye Shane Lechler. Goodbye Rolando McClain. Goodbye Matt Girodano.
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Taiwan is switching to corner. May stick around.
Mike Mitchell has won over this coaching staff thru hard work and against all odds.
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
The rest can all kick rocks.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Gdog, you may be right. i hope you’re wrong and he practices his ass off day in and day out. he seems the type to put in that kind of work so we’ll see where it goes.
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Thats like saying if a guy with a crappy swing just practices enough he could be a professional golfer.
We saw this with Tebow, and VY.
The mechanics can be cleaned up some but the problem is one reverts to old habits too often.
Pryor is as good as he will be, IMO.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:09 am
I agree with you and I also dont understand why their is such a divide between the CP3 fans and TP6 fans. In all honesty, I think the VAST majority are moderates on this issue. Raider O is Pryor’s biggest (legitimate) supporter and even he thinks we should keep Palmer around.
The only people that are delusional are Mistic and all the haters he inspires that use TP to get under his skin.
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some idiots seem to think dropping CP3 is the answer. oh okay, take a HUGE cap hit and not even have him as a backup to Pryor even if he were to reach a starting level QB status. we still need a capable backup. for 15 mill? yea not really ideal, but we are stuck with it. letting him go and taking a bigger hit would be down right idiotic.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
last thing i’m gonna say about pryor/missdick (i’m really gonna try!). missdisck is NOT a raider fan. he wants very badly to to align himself with a black qb so if and when that qb makes good, he can claim some sort of alliance and shout hatred at “all the white supremacists who wanted him to fail”. he’s really full of bitterness and hatred. i feel sorry for him. but i do like to make fun of him at times. trying to give that up for my new year’s blog resolution.
personally, i love pryor. one of my favorite raiders right now, along with palmer. but in my view, he will never be a successful nfl qb, due to his horrendous passing.
and sorry, but i don’t think they will use him much at all next season, not in “packages” or on 3rd downs, or in the red zone. why would they take out a good qb in those crucial situations? and please don’t give me “3 td’s!”. we all watched the game. he was very lucky on both passing td’s. 90% of the time, thos would end up as an offensive penalty on dhb and a pick. if u can’t see that it would never end up that good in multiple games, then u simply don’t get football. palmer did throw 22 td’s in 14 games with that pathetic wr staff. and no running game cuz dmc sucks now.
as raiders fand, u all want to be hopeful. but why put ur hopes on a guy that can’t throw well? u deserve better. root for our current qb and hope we get a good young qb in the draft this year or next. but don’t buy a pipe dream. pryor belongs at wr.
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A lot of good stuff in this post.
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
His bullets were spot on and the first 3 were all dropped. His mechanics are worlds better than when he first joined this team. His decision making was flawless. And way more often than not his passes hit our dumba55 WRs in the hands.
He’s only going to get better from here on out. Nothing suggests otherwise.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:11 am
Happy New Year Raider Nation!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 11:13 am
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Gdog, you may be right. i hope you’re wrong and he practices his ass off day in and day out. he seems the type to put in that kind of work so we’ll see where it goes.
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Thats like saying if a guy with a crappy swing just practices enough he could be a professional golfer.
We saw this with Tebow, and VY.
The mechanics can be cleaned up some but the problem is one reverts to old habits too often.
Pryor is as good as he will be, IMO.
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Horrible comparison.
VY was lazy, huge ego, and far from concerned about his mechanics. Pryor on the other hand is well aware of his issues and getting them fixed.
And Tebow is a fvcking fraud. He hasnt worked on his passing skills at all. He’s more concerned with selling books and preaching gospel than becoming a legitimate QB. Tebow spent the entire offseason on a marketing tour when he should have been working on his game. He blew a major opportunity with the Jets.
Pryor should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as those two bums.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:13 am
Hey who’s down to go too the draft in april or is there already a draft crew that I can join.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:14 am
Gdog,
yes, some baseball players don’t make it right away due to whatever issues they are having, that’s why they sit in triple A until they do. Buster started as a backup because of issues he was having, remember?hell, even some Japanese players don’t find their swing fully until they get to the states. i can drop some names for you if you’d like?
point is, it’s very possible if you put in the work. yes, mechanics have a lot to do with your timing and ball placement. i did see 4 drops yesterday that weren’t great throws, but hit the receiver’s hands regardless. it’s foolish to think he won’t build on this start and work on his footwork and throwing mechanics. will he get better? we’ll see.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:17 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Gdog, you may be right. i hope you’re wrong and he practices his ass off day in and day out. he seems the type to put in that kind of work so we’ll see where it goes.
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ok, this is the pipe dream of which i speak. he’s a good guy and yes, he works hard, and he wants to make al davis proud. those are the reasons i like the kid.
but u can either pass or u can’t. i’m a high school qb coach and u know how i find our qb? when guys show up the first week of practice i have practially every guy throw the ball around and watch for a good arm. when i find one, i play catch with him. if he seems like he can throw a good ball, i work with him to make him better. but he has to have it in the first place.
pryor actually has a strong arm. it was gooed enuff, combined with his great athleticism, to work in high school and college. but now it’s the nfl. it’s probably the worst throwing arm in football.
u can not get that much better at it. just like throwing a 90mph fastball or running a 4.4 forty, or kicking 40 yard filed goals. u either have the ability or u don’t. then when u get to the highest level, ur hard work can tweak ur skills and help u refine it.
but pryor will never go from “one of the worst passers in nfl history” to a “good starting-caliber nfl qb”. it simply can never happen, no mayyer what his work ethic is. same as u simply can’t get a 75 mph pitcher to throw 90 mph consistently for strikes. it’s a dream.
if pryor played multiple games, at a 72 rating and less than 50%, u would quickly see what a mirage sunday was in regards to the td’s. don’t buy fool’s gold. that’s what missidck is desperately selling. ur better than that raiders fans.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Pryor is raw, and has potential, but he is not currently, nor will he be anytime soon, starting NFL quarterback material. If he can significantly improve his throwing mechanics, he could be very good. At best, he’s our number 2 guy in the foreseeable future. Palmer is our no 1 guy and we’re stuck with him good or bad for 2 more years. That should be enough time for the organization to gauge whether or not Pryor can be the QB of the future.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Riff, good points. i agree
January 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
we’ll see Rob … it’s not a pipe dream because we saw a lot of positives in his game. he would have been close to 250 yards passing if we had receivers who could catch the ball. i also saw some nice touch passes from him in the preseason. point is, we’ve seen him make some good clean passes, followed up by some horrible ones. don’t you think he could be more consistent with more reps and timing with receivers?
January 1st, 2013 at 11:25 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
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Yes. Its what he was saying on Twitter. A bunch of fans were replying and saying they hope he comes back.
I didnt know he only signed a one year deal. I didnt think that was possible with drafted rookies.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:26 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
we’ll see Rob … it’s not a pipe dream because we saw a lot of positives in his game. he would have been close to 250 yards passing if we had receivers who could catch the ball. i also saw some nice touch passes from him in the preseason. point is, we’ve seen him make some good clean passes, followed up by some horrible ones. don’t you think he could be more consistent with more reps and timing with receivers?
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Exactly.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:27 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:25 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
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Yes. Its what he was saying on Twitter. A bunch of fans were replying and saying they hope he comes back.
I didnt know he only signed a one year deal. I didnt think that was possible with drafted rookies.
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I’m pretty sure Criner just meant that he’s not working or getting paid again until Training Camp. He signed the same four-year deal that every other drafted rookie did, and he hasn’t been released.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:27 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:10 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
last thing i’m gonna say about pryor/missdick (i’m really gonna try!). missdisck is NOT a raider fan. he wants very badly to to align himself with a black qb so if and when that qb makes good, he can claim some sort of alliance and shout hatred at “all the white supremacists who wanted him to fail”. he’s really full of bitterness and hatred. i feel sorry for him. but i do like to make fun of him at times. trying to give that up for my new year’s blog resolution.
personally, i love pryor. one of my favorite raiders right now, along with palmer. but in my view, he will never be a successful nfl qb, due to his horrendous passing.
and sorry, but i don’t think they will use him much at all next season, not in “packages” or on 3rd downs, or in the red zone. why would they take out a good qb in those crucial situations? and please don’t give me “3 td’s!”. we all watched the game. he was very lucky on both passing td’s. 90% of the time, thos would end up as an offensive penalty on dhb and a pick. if u can’t see that it would never end up that good in multiple games, then u simply don’t get football. palmer did throw 22 td’s in 14 games with that pathetic wr staff. and no running game cuz dmc sucks now.
as raiders fand, u all want to be hopeful. but why put ur hopes on a guy that can’t throw well? u deserve better. root for our current qb and hope we get a good young qb in the draft this year or next. but don’t buy a pipe dream. pryor belongs at wr.
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A lot of good stuff in this post.
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
His bullets were spot on and the first 3 were all dropped. His mechanics are worlds better than when he first joined this team. His decision making was flawless. And way more often than not his passes hit our dumba55 WRs in the hands.
He’s only going to get better from here on out. Nothing suggests otherwise.
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he threw a handful of solid throws, mostly intermediate. the 38 yarder to streater was nice. but his short throws were forced, and his longer ones were rainbow ducks. and some of the supposed drops were not very catchable o had defenders draped all over the receiver. i have no issues with him in any other capacity. in my lifetime watching nfl football, i’ve never see a worse passer. if it wasn’t for his mind blowing athletic ability, it would have been one of the most embarrassing displays allowed by a team ever. we are in the position where he will likely get another chance in preseason. i suspect enthusiasm will dry up quickly when he is seen over extended time. but hey, if he pulls off the miracle, fantastic. i will be his biggest fan, cuz i do genuinely like him.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Brandon Myers should be a more consistent target next year as well. hell, he was never thought to be ANYTHING on the NFL level.. but he sure came out late.. did he not? yes TE and QB are different animals, obviously, but still.. as the old worn out line goes, you just never know.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am
Lol I stepped on dj Johnny’s hero worship
He says Palmer ” can do things that Pryor canr”
False Pryor did everything that Palmer does and did it better. Some if the passes were a limitless off but that comes with games and practice reps & timing.
He scored 3 tds how many did pmr score the last 3 weeks?
Most impressive was his pocket awareness of which Palmer has zero. Does anybody remember Palmer throwing an underhand gift interception to the d tackle in Baltimore? How about getting. Blown up & fumbling at our goal line? He is but because he couldn’t gel the rush & got blasted.
Not Pryor he defense could barely touch him he had eyes in the back of his head.
Pryor called audibles pointed out blitzes adjusts line protections for d single coverage he did it all.
People only want to hold on to palmers experience as his only edge over pyrope because Pryor proved that he is palmer’s equal in every way and a better game manager & play maker.
Pryor is the wave of the future palmer is a washed up bum
January 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am
dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
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Just read his feed. That line was taken out of context. He was talking about the season being over and not having any “work” to do. Looks like he was in Vegas partying until 4 hours ago on an all nighter and based on his tweets, got pretty lit! Said he was really #Hydrated
January 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am
First timer here. Great blig site. I think if Pryor continues to work hard and get good coaching he may surprise some of the haters. Palmer will be the starter next year with Pryor #2. I just hope the new OC can design a offense that is suited around Palmer and one that Pryor could blend into with success should Palmer go down.
Great moves yesterday. DA may not be the big numb nuts we thought he was. He showed some man balls by doing what he did. No doubt he earned some respect from the players yesterday. Defense will get better now that DA got rid of the burdens. Now he must find qualified help at OC and ST.
Have a good day. Go Stanford.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
we’ll see Rob … it’s not a pipe dream because we saw a lot of positives in his game. he would have been close to 250 yards passing if we had receivers who could catch the ball. i also saw some nice touch passes from him in the preseason. point is, we’ve seen him make some good clean passes, followed up by some horrible ones. don’t you think he could be more consistent with more reps and timing with receivers?
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yes, he can better. but let’s say we are talking about a scale of 1-100 for a qb. just like grades, a 75 would mean average, an 85 would be above average, a 95 ecellent, etc. i would grade his PASSING ability right now at around 50. he might get to around 70 if he was fortunate. but that would still be well below ever being a quality starting nfl qb.
it really doesn’t matter what is said in here, cuz he will be back, and we will get to see more of him, so his chance is not going to be taken away.
btw, i actually think he looked better as a passer in preseason.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
January 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Brandon Myers should be a more consistent target next year as well. hell, he was never thought to be ANYTHING on the NFL level.. but he sure came out late.. did he not? yes TE and QB are different animals, obviously, but still.. as the old worn out line goes, you just never know.
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he was a very good receiver in college.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am
Criner is signed through 2015, no worries people:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/juron-criner/
January 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:30 am
Lol I stepped on dj Johnny’s hero worship
He says Palmer ” can do things that Pryor canr”
False Pryor did everything that Palmer does and did it better. Some if the passes were a limitless off but that comes with games and practice reps & timing.
He scored 3 tds how many did pmr score the last 3 weeks?
Most impressive was his pocket awareness of which Palmer has zero. Does anybody remember Palmer throwing an underhand gift interception to the d tackle in Baltimore? How about getting. Blown up & fumbling at our goal line? He is but because he couldn’t gel the rush & got blasted.
Not Pryor he defense could barely touch him he had eyes in the back of his head.
Pryor called audibles pointed out blitzes adjusts line protections for d single coverage he did it all.
People only want to hold on to palmers experience as his only edge over pyrope because Pryor proved that he is palmer’s equal in every way and a better game manager & play maker.
Pryor is the wave of the future palmer is a washed up bum
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u expose urself with every post. any nfl person would laugh at u. this post alone shows u to be completely ignorant and without any ability to evaluate the position. ur like a little angry racist 12 year old.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:37 am
yes exactly Rob. people love to talk it up to death. it’s fun to debate, but it’s so up in the air right now that airplanes are hitting it.
yes i’d rate his passing between 50 and 60. not very good currently with a chance of between 70 and 80. i think we can all agree (mistic not included) that sky is definitely not the limit for the kid in the passing category. he will never be Brady, Brees, Manning(s), Rodgers, or even Romo.
preseason doesn’t mean sh!t … we all know this. we see 3rd string QB’s look like world beaters. but yes, he showed poise and stepped up in the pocket and threw some nice darts then and then again in real time yesterday. then came the LAME DUCK wobblers that showed why Gruden begged him to change positions on his QB show.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am
dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
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Just read his feed. That line was taken out of context. He was talking about the season being over and not having any “work” to do. Looks like he was in Vegas partying until 4 hours ago on an all nighter and based on his tweets, got pretty lit! Said he was really #Hydrated
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well, looks like there’s a big difference between him and streater. no wonder one fizzled and one sizzled. if he’s the typical meathead he sound like (no work to be done?), then get him gone quick.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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Ya. He’s far from the worst QB ever. That sorta hyperbole really puts a dent in Dr’s argument. No need to go there Rob.
Tebow is by far the worst thrower ever. And the Raiders have started much worse than Pryor. Schroeder was horrible. Go watch his youtube clips. Marc Wilson? Abismal!
QB is not this teams problem. No matter who is starting.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:35 am
Criner is signed through 2015, no worries people:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/juron-criner/
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Thanks for the clarification.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
with the exception that criner is dlower than reece…
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:31 am
dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:19 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Criner is already saying he’s unemployed on Twitter for some reason.
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whoah, is this true?
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Just read his feed. That line was taken out of context. He was talking about the season being over and not having any “work” to do. Looks like he was in Vegas partying until 4 hours ago on an all nighter and based on his tweets, got pretty lit! Said he was really #Hydrated
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well, looks like there’s a big difference between him and streater. no wonder one fizzled and one sizzled. if he’s the typical meathead he sound like (no work to be done?), then get him gone quick.
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Youre probably right.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 am
^slower
January 1st, 2013 at 11:41 am
918
agree 100% and the way he ran down the field after Streaters catch screaming at the o/line to follow him,they looked shocked ,then he runs td and is mad on way back to bench no celebration ,kids a born leader
January 1st, 2013 at 11:41 am
Blog tards & cross posting impostor fans do you realize it doesn’t matter what you think of Pryor.
Listen to the crowd cheer wildly for Pryor. Listen to Steve tasked sing his praised during the broadcast. Read what media is now saying about Pryor & Palmer.
Listen to what Allen & big Mack said after the game on Monday.
Lol PRYOR IS CLEARLY THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM
CHEW & swallow
January 1st, 2013 at 11:41 am
yea he calls over 4000 yards, 22 TD’s 14 INT’s and a 61% completion ratio a “miserable season” .. LMAO! with what he had to work with? constantly changing the plays at the line from Krappy’s play call all day long? hilarious to watch actually. horrible dropped passes and getting BLASTED on every passing play? give him back a top 5 OL and receivers who can catch, along with consistent play calling from a proven play caller, he will give you good results.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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Ya. He’s far from the worst QB ever. That sorta hyperbole really puts a dent in Dr’s argument. No need to go there Rob.
Tebow is by far the worst thrower ever. And the Raiders have started much worse than Pryor. Schroeder was horrible. Go watch his youtube clips. Marc Wilson? Abismal!
QB is not this teams problem. No matter who is starting.
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Plunkett was FAR AND AWAY one of the worst throwers in the league at the time. tell me i’m wrong. but he’s legendary because he was scrappy and extended plays.. i heard this from Dave Dalby’s mouth as i grew up with the guy.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
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I just watched his every pass on NFL Rewind “coaches tape.”
I counted SIX nice passes. He had a few drops, but the first TD was behind DHB and he caught it falling down.
One of his nice passes was a lob over the middle into double coverage that shouldn’t even have been thrown. They dropped two certain interceptions. And lets not forget he didn’t get out of bounds to kill the clock before the half ended costing us 3 points.
Almost all his quick passes were from the shotgun and he stared down his receiver the whole way.
All in all he had a horrible game.
And this is what people looked at and saw our future?
January 1st, 2013 at 11:44 am
dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:23 am
we’ll see Rob … it’s not a pipe dream because we saw a lot of positives in his game. he would have been close to 250 yards passing if we had receivers who could catch the ball. i also saw some nice touch passes from him in the preseason. point is, we’ve seen him make some good clean passes, followed up by some horrible ones. don’t you think he could be more consistent with more reps and timing with receivers?
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yes, he can better. but let’s say we are talking about a scale of 1-100 for a qb. just like grades, a 75 would mean average, an 85 would be above average, a 95 ecellent, etc. i would grade his PASSING ability right now at around 50. he might get to around 70 if he was fortunate. but that would still be well below ever being a quality starting nfl qb.
it really doesn’t matter what is said in here, cuz he will be back, and we will get to see more of him, so his chance is not going to be taken away.
btw, i actually think he looked better as a passer in preseason.
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He has a very high arc throw naturally for sure. But he wasn’t floating them THAT bad on EVERY throw in preseason either. He is capable of at least a little more zip on passes in the 10-15 yard range.
So why didn’t he show it? Because he’s mentally not at NFL speed. In order to drill a ball in, you have to decide in advance exactly where that ball needs to end up. Then you need to start your body, with footwork in motion and follow through. It’s all happening in fractions of seconds, but you still need to be able to process precisely and quickly what to do.
The easier route, if you don’t want to solve the problem with your head, is to just see an opening and throw from whateve rangle your body is currently at. That takes a lot less anticipation or reading. You just put whatever you can on a ball over to a general vicitiny, and then under the hang time hope the receiver adjusts.
That works a lot better in college than the pros, because the DBs are just as good, if not better on making those adjustments as the WRs are.
In preseason, he had a much smaller playbook and probably a single WR to throw to or run. He knew that if he was going to make the one and only throw available for that play what the timing was, which told him when to start moving his feet, etc. So he showed a bit more zip on those plays. As long as that particular receiver happened to be open anyway. The problem there, and also as we saw in this game, he seems to want to throw whether the guy is open or not, especially on those 5-10 yarders over the middle.
This still doesn’t bode well for a good NFL career. If he can only effectively throw on plays where he has a single simple route and total muscle memory types of release, the league will read that before he even completes his drop. Since he hasn’t shown the ability to rapdily pick up the playbook, that puts him at a disadvantage to the rest of the league to stay ahead of them.
Once again, his biggest limitation remains between his ears. It just manifests in other ways, like 100% loopy throws.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:44 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Brandon Myers should be a more consistent target next year as well. hell, he was never thought to be ANYTHING on the NFL level.. but he sure came out late.. did he not? yes TE and QB are different animals, obviously, but still.. as the old worn out line goes, you just never know.
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he was a very good receiver in college.
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Well his blocking sucks in the NFL and his pass catching leaves a lot to be desired as well.
Im over him. Ausberry needs more playing time.
I’ll give Meyers credit for this though, he knows the playbook/hot reads/audibles and can find a soft spot in the zone better than any of our WRs not named Streater.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:45 am
most don’t disagree with you Misty eyes .. put down the kleenex. you have to CHEW AND SWALLOW that Palmer will be our starting QB again next season. as they say, BOOK IT!
January 1st, 2013 at 11:47 am
Myers may be a career back up . but hey, if we find a great TE to go next to him on 2 TE sets(whether that great TE be Ausberry or not), then that’ll make a hell of a duo. someone will always be open to move the chains.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:47 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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well, i would say gabbert, weeden, and sanchez all have FAR better passing skills, and that’s saying something! those guys were all good enough passers in college to merit being a high draft pick, and then the nfl happened to them. the league separates qb’s quickly.
i would say pryor’s closest physical comparison is vince young, but his closest real comparison is indeed to tebow. i like tebow. he’s in fact a good guy (not a fraud), and he also wants to win. he IS a winner in all of his actions. but he seriously has a bad throw. just like pryor. and a year after he “amazed” in denver, it’s not inconceivable that he will be without a team next season.
pryor is a physical freak and says and does all the good stuff. but it’s my OPINION he will never get there. if he does, awesome. for now, he’s a raider, and one of my favs. but i’m not holding my breath.
my point for u guys, is why put ur hopes and dreams on such a long shot? wouldn’t a poor passer with incredible physical skills and worh ethic be better off switching now to a position he could have a prayer at succeeding at? so, we don’t waste his prime on this qb stuff?
that’s my stance. we’ll see more in preseason.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
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I just watched his every pass on NFL Rewind “coaches tape.”
I counted SIX nice passes. He had a few drops, but the first TD was behind DHB and he caught it falling down.
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This right here is where you lose all credibility. The throw to DHB was a designed back shoulder throw. And it was perfectly done against a top flight CB in Quentin Jammer.
The very fact that you think that was a poorly thrown ball means your not watching the same game tape I am, or at least not from the same perspective.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am
look…palmer is a good qb no question about it. But Pryor, adds an extra dimension that is needed….he does need to work on throwing but he does have the arm for it….he will be a great player no doubt, kid does and says all the right things…
January 1st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Dr Robert,
Tebow is a fraud. Stop saying he isnt. He keeps telling people he is this workout warrior who is taking the steps to fix his mechanics but that is a lie.
He is not putting in the work. That is why he’s not getting better.
TP on the other hand shows tangible improvements in his play, across the board. You cant argue against that.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:50 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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Ya. He’s far from the worst QB ever. That sorta hyperbole really puts a dent in Dr’s argument. No need to go there Rob.
Tebow is by far the worst thrower ever. And the Raiders have started much worse than Pryor. Schroeder was horrible. Go watch his youtube clips. Marc Wilson? Abismal!
QB is not this teams problem. No matter who is starting.
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sorry riff, but it’s true. his ball is on a par with tebow as worst ever. schroeder and wilson threw beautiful balls. they just weren’t very good in other areas, like accuracy or decision making.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
This right here is where you lose all credibility. The throw to DHB was a designed back shoulder throw. And it was perfectly done against a top flight CB in Quentin Jammer.
The very fact that you think that was a poorly thrown ball means your not watching the same game tape I am, or at least not from the same perspective.
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DHB got away with a push off on Jammer, and he still had to make a one handed miraculous catch falling down. Watch it again, bubba.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
You do realize you are defending Tebow, Marc Wilson and Jay Shroeder dont you?
Seriously. Step away from the keyboard and put down the crack pipe.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:41 am
Blog tards & cross posting impostor fans do you realize it doesn’t matter what you think of Pryor.
Listen to the crowd cheer wildly for Pryor. Listen to Steve tasked sing his praised during the broadcast. Read what media is now saying about Pryor & Palmer.
Listen to what Allen & big Mack said after the game on Monday.
Lol PRYOR IS CLEARLY THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM
CHEW & swallow
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cross posting impostor fans? do u even know what ur talking about? cuz no one else does.
do we realize it doesn’t matter what we think of Pryor? right back at u dummy.
only u could take mild praise “like he’s earned the right to be further evaluated” and turn it into him being “the future of the team”. if anything, i think he was dam-ned with faint praise. they didn’t exactly go nuts.
even pryor knows he threw a lot of bad balls.
ur a weird little man.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:53 am
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
This right here is where you lose all credibility. The throw to DHB was a designed back shoulder throw. And it was perfectly done against a top flight CB in Quentin Jammer.
The very fact that you think that was a poorly thrown ball means your not watching the same game tape I am, or at least not from the same perspective.
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DHB got away with a push off on Jammer, and he still had to make a one handed miraculous catch falling down. Watch it again, bubba.
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That is not a “miraculous catch”. It’s standard in the NFL these days.
It only seems miraculous because youre used to watching the bums the Raiders have suited up the last few years.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
The bottom line Gdog is that you thought it was a poorly thrown ball and didnt even realize it was designed that way. Its the back shoulder throw that Brees and Rogers live on. Just stop arguing.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:50 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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Ya. He’s far from the worst QB ever. That sorta hyperbole really puts a dent in Dr’s argument. No need to go there Rob.
Tebow is by far the worst thrower ever. And the Raiders have started much worse than Pryor. Schroeder was horrible. Go watch his youtube clips. Marc Wilson? Abismal!
QB is not this teams problem. No matter who is starting.
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sorry riff, but it’s true. his ball is on a par with tebow as worst ever. schroeder and wilson threw beautiful balls. they just weren’t very good in other areas, like accuracy or decision making.
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You are totally exaggerating. Stop the Nonsense Bob. Not even close to Tebow.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
Long time reader here. Thought I’d just drop in to say Pryor did a good job. So he had a couple floaters. BFD. He showed command and leadership and desire. Palmer supporters need not to fear. Pryor wii be his back up next year. But with Pryor in the wings, we should be set at the QB position for some time. Now Reggie has to bone up on defense, get a good o line coach and a #2 RB. Saunders for OC. Dump lechler and bring on King. DA needs to let Jano go for those 60+ yarders next year. Can you see playoffs next year? Maybe so maybe so.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Mistic conveniently ignores all the positive things I said about Pryor and picks out the one thing i said that suggests something other than Pryor is the greatest QB ever.
Quit looking for conflict and trying to cause discord in here.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:56 am
quit crying about dhb….fact is…he has more tds than all the other recs combined…
January 1st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:38 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:32 am
yes Rob you do make valid points. although i’d disagree that he’s the worst passer in the league. Gabbert, Weeden, TEBONER, Sanchez… i don’t see them worlds better in the passing category. i’m not trying to compare Pryor to BAD QBs that will never make it, just sayin, i like his chances a lot better.
we’ll see how consistent he gets by next preseason. it will be the tell all truth of him being a starter someday. we’ll just have to leave it at that(on this blog? doubtful lol)
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Ya. He’s far from the worst QB ever. That sorta hyperbole really puts a dent in Dr’s argument. No need to go there Rob.
Tebow is by far the worst thrower ever. And the Raiders have started much worse than Pryor. Schroeder was horrible. Go watch his youtube clips. Marc Wilson? Abismal!
QB is not this teams problem. No matter who is starting.
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Plunkett was FAR AND AWAY one of the worst throwers in the league at the time. tell me i’m wrong. but he’s legendary because he was scrappy and extended plays.. i heard this from Dave Dalby’s mouth as i grew up with the guy.
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it’s all relative. check out plunkett’s career. there’s a reason he’s not in the hall. he was always being replaced by marc wilson and others before that. but he was a heisman winning passer. again, once in the nfl, he paled a bit in comparison. he threw a good deep ball though. and knew what he was doing. but he was a far better passer than pryor. cmon guys. u know what an nfl passer looks like. did u see ANYTHING CLOSE to that on sunday? i saw a fun game where the result didn’t matter and an entertaining player running around going nuts. it was fun, but the fun would stop if he was in there for an extended time. real quick.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:57 am
I just watched the TD again… a lob pass from the shotgun staring down the receiver… this is the plays you want to depend on with Pryor?? 9 times out of ten thats a penalty on DHB…
January 1st, 2013 at 11:58 am
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
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I just watched his every pass on NFL Rewind “coaches tape.”
I counted SIX nice passes. He had a few drops, but the first TD was behind DHB and he caught it falling down.
One of his nice passes was a lob over the middle into double coverage that shouldn’t even have been thrown. They dropped two certain interceptions. And lets not forget he didn’t get out of bounds to kill the clock before the half ended costing us 3 points.
Almost all his quick passes were from the shotgun and he stared down his receiver the whole way.
All in all he had a horrible game.
And this is what people looked at and saw our future?
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it’s like they’re on drugs.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am
Things never change in here.
January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am
9 out of 10?….quit it hines ward and steve smith have made a career out of that move…
January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:43 am
But I’d love to sit down and actually go over the game tape with you play by play. Pryors accuracy wasnt nearly as bad as you make it out.
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I just watched his every pass on NFL Rewind “coaches tape.”
I counted SIX nice passes. He had a few drops, but the first TD was behind DHB and he caught it falling down.
One of his nice passes was a lob over the middle into double coverage that shouldn’t even have been thrown. They dropped two certain interceptions. And lets not forget he didn’t get out of bounds to kill the clock before the half ended costing us 3 points.
Almost all his quick passes were from the shotgun and he stared down his receiver the whole way.
All in all he had a horrible game.
And this is what people looked at and saw our future?
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Oh, GDog, you ruin everything when you get analytical! Then reality has a chance to kick in and rain on a long offseason. Can’t you just join the throngs here and blindly say “But he threw two TDs therefore he must be an amazing QB!” and be happy?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
The bottom line Gdog is that you thought it was a poorly thrown ball and didnt even realize it was designed that way. Its the back shoulder throw that Brees and Rogers live on. Just stop arguing.
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Fair enough… so he had SEVEN nice passes in a complete football game.
Out of 21 passes?
Hey, I said he can be a good career backup… but people thinking he is the future are out of their minds.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:57 am
I just watched the TD again… a lob pass from the shotgun staring down the receiver… this is the plays you want to depend on with Pryor?? 9 times out of ten thats a penalty on DHB…
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You can watch it a thousand more times. It still wont change the fact that you are unaware theres a such thing as a back shoulder throw. Which makes you an idiot.
You said it was poorly thrown. It was actually perfectly thrown. You just lack even a basic understanding of football. Thats all.
Go watch replays of Brees and Rogers. They throw this ball 9 times out of 10.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:44 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Brandon Myers should be a more consistent target next year as well. hell, he was never thought to be ANYTHING on the NFL level.. but he sure came out late.. did he not? yes TE and QB are different animals, obviously, but still.. as the old worn out line goes, you just never know.
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he was a very good receiver in college.
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Well his blocking sucks in the NFL and his pass catching leaves a lot to be desired as well.
Im over him. Ausberry needs more playing time.
I’ll give Meyers credit for this though, he knows the playbook/hot reads/audibles and can find a soft spot in the zone better than any of our WRs not named Streater.
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but that’s a lot to like for a 4th year player getting his first real time. he had 79/806/4. not bad man. if anything he will get better. not an exciting guy but a good te to build with.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
pryor was playing with the defense…he set them up and then set them up again…i was worried about him but he really is that much more athletic…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Clowney just got tagged in the groin by a Michigan Olineman. Walk it off, big guy!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Oh, GDog, you ruin everything when you get analytical! Then reality has a chance to kick in and rain on a long offseason. Can’t you just join the throngs here and blindly say “But he threw two TDs therefore he must be an amazing QB!” and be happy?
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That made me laugh!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
The bottom line Gdog is that you thought it was a poorly thrown ball and didnt even realize it was designed that way. Its the back shoulder throw that Brees and Rogers live on. Just stop arguing.
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Fair enough… so he had SEVEN nice passes in a complete football game.
Out of 21 passes?
Hey, I said he can be a good career backup… but people thinking he is the future are out of their minds.
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Im sorry I called you an idiot. I wasnt aware that you were going to back track and admit fault. No shame in that. My apologies.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
myers is a great example of why i don’t get with raiders fans. the kid was one of the few bright spots and people wnat to replace him. why don’t embrace actual ggod players like him, palmer, branch, wheeler, etc.? bizarre.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Xraided gdog dr slob
YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATCH WHAT TASKER ALLEN ROMO NEAL BIG MACK SAID ABOUT PRYORD PERFORMANCE !!! LOL
YOUR OPINION DOESN’T MATCH THE SCOREBOARD 3 TDS!!!
He was cam newton Sunday
He only needs game reps.
Didn’t you find it strange that Palmer had “chemistry” issues with the wrs even though he has practiced with them for a year & a halF?
Yet Pryor steps into the field with only half a week of practice & less than 50% of the reps in this practices & not one miscue with the wrs?
Lol Pryor is the far better player right now!!
Haters are shaking in their boots lol
January 1st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
but that’s a lot to like for a 4th year player getting his first real time. he had 79/806/4. not bad man. if anything he will get better. not an exciting guy but a good te to build with.
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PFF has Myers as the worst run blocking TE in the entire league and there wasnt anyone a close second.
Just sayin…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:44 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Xraided Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Brandon Myers should be a more consistent target next year as well. hell, he was never thought to be ANYTHING on the NFL level.. but he sure came out late.. did he not? yes TE and QB are different animals, obviously, but still.. as the old worn out line goes, you just never know.
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he was a very good receiver in college.
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Well his blocking sucks in the NFL and his pass catching leaves a lot to be desired as well.
Im over him. Ausberry needs more playing time.
I’ll give Meyers credit for this though, he knows the playbook/hot reads/audibles and can find a soft spot in the zone better than any of our WRs not named Streater.
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but that’s a lot to like for a 4th year player getting his first real time. he had 79/806/4. not bad man. if anything he will get better. not an exciting guy but a good te to build with.
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Maybe so.
Its just that he dropped multiple TDs in the endzone this year. And the one that went off his hands and ended in a TD was the clincher for me.
We used to have higher standards. Casper and Christensen never would have done that.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:48 am
look…palmer is a good qb no question about it. But Pryor, adds an extra dimension that is needed….he does need to work on throwing but he does have the arm for it….he will be a great player no doubt, kid does and says all the right things…
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actually there’s a LOT of doubt.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Mistic the IQ vacuum is here. The chances of intelligent debate just reached ZERO.
I will check back later.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
myers is a dependable backup…never threatens the defense…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Dr_Robert give it up man. If the Raiders keep Palmer he will play average, suck or get hurt next season. He will be on a short leash. Thats why it will be best to just cut ties and move on. No need to waste time and money. He is not a winner and NEVER will be. Palmer is less of a winner then Tony Romo and that is bad. Raiders are rebuilding. TP will be taking over in 2013.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
but that’s a lot to like for a 4th year player getting his first real time. he had 79/806/4. not bad man. if anything he will get better. not an exciting guy but a good te to build with.
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PFF has Myers as the worst run blocking TE in the entire league and there wasnt anyone a close second.
Just sayin…
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I dont need PFF to tell me that. Ive been saying it since early in the year from just watching the tape.
But thanks for the statistical backup. Most here only care about raw numbers so maybe it will get thru to them that Meyers is not very good..
January 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Dr Robert,
Tebow is a fraud. Stop saying he isnt. He keeps telling people he is this workout warrior who is taking the steps to fix his mechanics but that is a lie.
He is not putting in the work. That is why he’s not getting better.
TP on the other hand shows tangible improvements in his play, across the board. You cant argue against that.
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u don’t know in any way what work he’s done. only priest thinks he know players private lives.
as i said, i thought pryor looked better in preseason.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
973…he was toying with the defense…spin one way back the other way…he was a totally different speed…again he needs to more zip on his passes but from sll accounts has a huge arm so it must be mechanics…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Pryor gave me more hope for him after this game than I had before. He still needs to work on things though, his deep ball lobs need some work. Hopefully he’ll make a solid #2 QB next year.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
myers is a great example of why i don’t get with raiders fans. the kid was one of the few bright spots and people wnat to replace him. why don’t embrace actual ggod players like him, palmer, branch, wheeler, etc.? bizarre.
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Horrendous blocking
Dropped TDs
Dropped passes
He put up a lot of meaningless stats but when it came to actually delivering, its hard to support the guy. Go watch the missed block when Lechler got his punt blocked earlier in the year. Totally took the play off.
Im tired of making excuses for players. Ive been doing it with this team my whole life. It’s time they start delivering.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Raider Steve / dj Johnny
You cross posting loser
YOU DONT PRYOR YOU WANT PALMER !!!
YOU HATED WHEN I SUGGESTED THST THIS WAS A REBUILD YEAR
YOU ARGUED THAT PRYOR SHOULD NEVER SEE THE FIELD WHEN I SAID HE SHOULD WAY BACK AT THE BEGINING OF THE YEAR.
EVEN WHEN I SAID AFTER OUT OF THE PLAYOFFS YOU STI SAID HE SHOULDN’T START!!!!
Stick to your guns & your handle spinderella.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:52 am
You do realize you are defending Tebow, Marc Wilson and Jay Shroeder dont you?
Seriously. Step away from the keyboard and put down the crack pipe.
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LOL. only defending them relative to their passing skills compared to pryor. tebow is on par with pryor. schroeder and wilson had great looking passes. schroeder went to the pro bowl.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
i think he needs to work on his deep ball with dhb….not one of our qbs has been able to hit him in stride…he has had to constantly slow down or come back to the ball…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Dr Robert,
Tebow is a fraud. Stop saying he isnt. He keeps telling people he is this workout warrior who is taking the steps to fix his mechanics but that is a lie.
He is not putting in the work. That is why he’s not getting better.
TP on the other hand shows tangible improvements in his play, across the board. You cant argue against that.
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u don’t know in any way what work he’s done. only priest thinks he know players private lives.
as i said, i thought pryor looked better in preseason.
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Tebow’s media tour is pretty well documented.
It’s pretty difficult to be working on your passing game while on the road signing books. QB coaches dont travel with their QBs on their missionary work.
It’s pretty well known in the media that Tebow took last offseason off.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Cork is holding a live chat over at InsideBayArea without us.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
i think he needs to work on his deep ball with dhb….not one of our qbs has been able to hit him in stride…he has had to constantly slow down or come back to the ball…
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His first bomb to DHB was perfect. If it wasnt for Jammer’s holding penalty it would have hit him perfectly in stride.
The Moore throw was placed perfectly, Moore just couldnt get there in time. No fault of anyone.
The Streater bomb was perfect.
As was the Criner throw in the preseason.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
he is looking to be appreciated…lol or maybe wants a free sandwhich…now that his buddy krapp is gone.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Riff,
Tebow is the worst kind of fraud; one that acutely feels that he is the real deal. Unlike other self-obsessed athletes who live for public (external) gratification, Tebow’s need for validation is satisfied by his deeply ingrained faith. This renders his egoism in a self-righteous light, which isn’t merely unflattering but in fact becomes unsettling. He only exists as an identity in the public sphere, but in this case the public is his internalized version of God.
That is why Tebow will always say and do the “right” thing while still ultimately remaining a phony. He necessarily perceives himself through an omniscient lens of judgment, which means he will compulsively suppress any aspect of his nature which doesn’t correspond with that ethos. Which is scary, because it makes him the worst kind of fake, one who believes he is objectively worthy.
It’s almost like he’s in the closet, except instead of being gay he’s just an a$$hole who won’t own up to it.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Told you he’d get fired. Boy some of you learn slow… krapps carreer long lack of football knowlege and terrible playcalling has been obvious for years..
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
The bottom line Gdog is that you thought it was a poorly thrown ball and didnt even realize it was designed that way. Its the back shoulder throw that Brees and Rogers live on. Just stop arguing.
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That sounds great Riff except he didn’t actually throw it to his back shoulder. Back shoulder is defined as the shoulder away from where the receiver is facing. On that play, it was a pattern to the right sideline, where the receiver presses into the left towards the middle, facing to the left, making the DB stay to the inside to take away a hitch. This protects the sideline. The “backside” is between the WR and the sideline where only he can get it.
Now if DHB had run out to the sideline and turned towards it as if running an out, then backside would be back into towards the field of play. The idea there is to bait the DB into overplaying on the sideline side.
If you want to see that exact play executed correctly, go watch the thte throw that Rodgers made to Jordy Nelson yesterday. That was the “backside”.
That ball was thrown exactly to the inside where the CB had better position than DHB. DHB was running up the sideline, facing to the inside to spot the ball. Again, that makes the sideline side his back side, as in, you know, the side where his back is facing. The good news is because of his facing it let him see the DB making a play on the ball and the high arc let him push him out of position. He then pulled the ball into himself from his front shoulder side.
If you watch the way DHB was running the route and his body position, he was expecting a high jump ball over to the outside. A very typical fade pattern that every team runs. That ball was underthrown, to the inside, and hung up.
An overall poor throw. Even worse, that was obviously the only target because Pryor had his head locked on DHB throughout the drop. That’s one of the reasons that the DB had such good position, because he was reading Pryor as easily as (most) people here can read a Dr. Suess book.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
987…youre right dhb had him…but on the int…moore and streater are slower than dhb though…i just want to see a qb catch him in stride vertically…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Riff,
Tebow is the worst kind of fraud; one that acutely feels that he is the real deal. Unlike other self-obsessed athletes who live for public (external) gratification, Tebow’s need for validation is satisfied by his deeply ingrained faith. This renders his egoism in a self-righteous light, which isn’t merely unflattering but in fact becomes unsettling. He only exists as an identity in the public sphere, but in this case the public is his internalized version of God.
That is why Tebow will always say and do the “right” thing while still ultimately remaining a phony. He necessarily perceives himself through an omniscient lens of judgment, which means he will compulsively suppress any aspect of his nature which doesn’t correspond with that ethos. Which is scary, because it makes him the worst kind of fake, one who believes he is objectively worthy.
It’s almost like he’s in the closet, except instead of being gay he’s just an a$$hole who won’t own up to it.
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Spot fvcking on.
You have a degree in psyche or just read a lot?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Tebow, Pryor, and Vick are the same qb;
All great athletes, strong arms with accuracy issues;
Next to Peterson they may be the best runningbacks in the NFL.
They are not RGIii or R. Wilson or Aaron Rogers, qbs who are passers first running qbs second.
A team needs to make Tebow the starter day one; hasn’t happened yet.
Pryor made his bed, now he has to earn a starting gig, like I said before, he’ll be ready when he is an unrestricted free agent; Vick’s window is closing, he’s still one of the fastest, but not as fast as he once was.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:59 am
9 out of 10?….quit it hines ward and steve smith have made a career out of that move…
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a career out of a “similar play” with far better execution. it was ugly/lucky.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer will start the season.
Pryor will finish the season.
And DA will be gone at the end of the season.
Book it.
Oh, and Happy New Year!!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Tebow, Pryor, and Vick are the same qb;
All great athletes, strong arms with accuracy issues;
Next to Peterson they may be the best runningbacks in the NFL.
They are not RGIii or R. Wilson or Aaron Rogers, qbs who are passers first running qbs second.
A team needs to make Tebow the starter day one; hasn’t happened yet.
Pryor made his bed, now he has to earn a starting gig, like I said before, he’ll be ready when he is an unrestricted free agent; Vick’s window is closing, he’s still one of the fastest, but not as fast as he once was.
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Tebow will be starting for the Jags next season.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Xraided gdog dr slob
YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATCH WHAT TASKER ALLEN ROMO NEAL BIG MACK SAID ABOUT PRYORD PERFORMANCE !!! LOL
YOUR OPINION DOESN’T MATCH THE SCOREBOARD 3 TDS!!!
He was cam newton Sunday
He only needs game reps.
Didn’t you find it strange that Palmer had “chemistry” issues with the wrs even though he has practiced with them for a year & a halF?
Yet Pryor steps into the field with only half a week of practice & less than 50% of the reps in this practices & not one miscue with the wrs?
Lol Pryor is the far better player right now!!
Haters are shaking in their boots lol
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wow, ur truly stupid. less than 50% completion. no issues with wr’s. we’re all shaking in our boots. he’s better than pryor.
are u people really siding with this lunatic? doesn’t that wake u up?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
watch any film on them, thats how they get open against man….dhb is our best reciever.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:19 pm
l_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
watch any film on them, thats how they get open against man….dhb is our best reciever.
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Yeah but that’s not saying much. lol
January 1st, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
987…youre right dhb had him…but on the int…moore and streater are slower than dhb though…i just want to see a qb catch him in stride vertically…
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Hitting 4.3 type guys in stride on slants and over the middle is not easy. Very difficult and not something most QBs are used too.
There’s a reason why Brees is so accurate. Well, first of all its him, and secondly all of the Saints receivers, Colston espectially, are great route runners but far from “fast”.
This was the biggest mistake that Al made with regards to the WRs he gave Jamarcus. All of Russells WRs in college were 4.5+ guys like Dwayne Bowe. Hitting our speedsters in stride was very difficult for him to adjust too.
DHB is not an easy throw for any QB. Especially when he’s so bad at adjusting to the ball once it is in the air.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:19 pm
996…i believe it…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
The Moore throw was placed perfectly, Moore just couldnt get there in time. No fault of anyone.
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Am the only one spotting the hypocrisy of this statement? Not to pick nits Riff, but if the ball was thrown “perfectly” then it would have arrived at exactly the same time as Moore could get there. That’s kind of what perfect means.
Either the ball could not get to a WR in the right place at the right time, or the WR could not get to a ball thrown to the right place at the right time. One or the other is at fault here for not executing perfectly, so it was either Moore’s failure to run the right route or Pryor didn’t make the right read and throw.
Take off the Pryor colored glasses and pick one.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:04 pm
myers is a dependable backup…never threatens the defense…
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79/806/4
6th most yard among te’s in the nfl.
5th most receptions among te’s in the nfl.
a backup. this is the mentality that leads to pryor being so great.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:55 am
The bottom line Gdog is that you thought it was a poorly thrown ball and didnt even realize it was designed that way. Its the back shoulder throw that Brees and Rogers live on. Just stop arguing.
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That sounds great Riff except he didn’t actually throw it to his back shoulder. Back shoulder is defined as the shoulder away from where the receiver is facing. On that play, it was a pattern to the right sideline, where the receiver presses into the left towards the middle, facing to the left, making the DB stay to the inside to take away a hitch. This protects the sideline. The “backside” is between the WR and the sideline where only he can get it.
Now if DHB had run out to the sideline and turned towards it as if running an out, then backside would be back into towards the field of play. The idea there is to bait the DB into overplaying on the sideline side.
If you want to see that exact play executed correctly, go watch the thte throw that Rodgers made to Jordy Nelson yesterday. That was the “backside”.
That ball was thrown exactly to the inside where the CB had better position than DHB. DHB was running up the sideline, facing to the inside to spot the ball. Again, that makes the sideline side his back side, as in, you know, the side where his back is facing. The good news is because of his facing it let him see the DB making a play on the ball and the high arc let him push him out of position. He then pulled the ball into himself from his front shoulder side.
If you watch the way DHB was running the route and his body position, he was expecting a high jump ball over to the outside. A very typical fade pattern that every team runs. That ball was underthrown, to the inside, and hung up.
An overall poor throw. Even worse, that was obviously the only target because Pryor had his head locked on DHB throughout the drop. That’s one of the reasons that the DB had such good position, because he was reading Pryor as easily as (most) people here can read a Dr. Suess book.
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I say its perfect. You say its poor.
It resulted in a TD. So the truth is probably somewhere in between.
Overall, good breakdown. I know what youre trying to illustrate with the back shoulder thing. And it appears youre right, but for all we know the jam by Jammer delayed DHBs route to the point that the throw seemed off target.
We woudlnt know exactly unless we asked the coaches or Pryor himself.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Dr_Robert give it up man. If the Raiders keep Palmer he will play average, suck or get hurt next season. He will be on a short leash. Thats why it will be best to just cut ties and move on. No need to waste time and money. He is not a winner and NEVER will be. Palmer is less of a winner then Tony Romo and that is bad. Raiders are rebuilding. TP will be taking over in 2013.
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will u admit in a year how wrong u were coward?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
1001…i believe pryor has the arm strength to get it there but right mow he is lobbibg to high…no doubt palmer is telling him that. Pryor also said he needed to practice throwing from different angles due to the defensive arms…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer will start the season.
Pryor will finish the season.
And DA will be gone at the end of the season.
Book it.
Oh, and Happy New Year!!
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Yeah and this is why they need to trade or cut Palmer. No need to waste time or money. It’s time to move on.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
1004…how many defenses were scared of myers? lol…not one thats why he had all those catches…put ausberry in there and it changes.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Marks Hair Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Told you he’d get fired. Boy some of you learn slow… krapps carreer long lack of football knowlege and terrible playcalling has been obvious for years..
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yeah, u and about 200 others. some scoop.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
The Moore throw was placed perfectly, Moore just couldnt get there in time. No fault of anyone.
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Am the only one spotting the hypocrisy of this statement? Not to pick nits Riff, but if the ball was thrown “perfectly” then it would have arrived at exactly the same time as Moore could get there. That’s kind of what perfect means.
Either the ball could not get to a WR in the right place at the right time, or the WR could not get to a ball thrown to the right place at the right time. One or the other is at fault here for not executing perfectly, so it was either Moore’s failure to run the right route or Pryor didn’t make the right read and throw.
Take off the Pryor colored glasses and pick one.
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Some passes are just not catchable. I didnt re-watch that play to see if Moore was held up at any point in his route or if he slacked on it. He wasnt the first option on that play and he’s known for not going 100% on plays that arent designed for him.
The ball was placed right in the pocket where the defense wasnt. If he puts it anywhere else their is a sure chance at a INT.
Those are the types of incompletions I can live with. Maybe you want every throw to be a completion but I know that isnt possible. He took the only option he had and put the ball where it wouldnt be a turnover. Live to fight another day.
There are much worse throws that can be picked apart. The only reason we are even talking about this throw is because someone said his deepball needs work when in fact, his worst deep ball wasnt that bad. The rest were spot on.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Riff,
Tebow is the worst kind of fraud; one that acutely feels that he is the real deal. Unlike other self-obsessed athletes who live for public (external) gratification, Tebow’s need for validation is satisfied by his deeply ingrained faith. This renders his egoism in a self-righteous light, which isn’t merely unflattering but in fact becomes unsettling. He only exists as an identity in the public sphere, but in this case the public is his internalized version of God.
That is why Tebow will always say and do the “right” thing while still ultimately remaining a phony. He necessarily perceives himself through an omniscient lens of judgment, which means he will compulsively suppress any aspect of his nature which doesn’t correspond with that ethos. Which is scary, because it makes him the worst kind of fake, one who believes he is objectively worthy.
It’s almost like he’s in the closet, except instead of being gay he’s just an a$$hole who won’t own up to it.
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Spot fvcking on.
You have a degree in psyche or just read a lot?
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tebow is a good kid. stop hating cuz u don’t care for God or religion.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Hitting 4.3 type guys in stride on slants and over the middle is not easy. Very difficult and not something most QBs are used too.
There’s a reason why Brees is so accurate. Well, first of all its him, and secondly all of the Saints receivers, Colston espectially, are great route runners but far from “fast”.
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Really, Riff, you’re trying too hard to apologize for Pryor here.
Devery Henderson: 4.37 forty time
Last year, he used Robert Meachem’s 4.39 time very often on deep routes.
Joe Morgan, who averaged 37 yards per catch this season as the heir apparent to Henderson ran a 4.38 at his Pro Day.
Even his TE, Jimmy Graham, ran a 4.48, making him one of the fastest TEs in the league. Other than Colston and Moore, the Saints receiving corp is all about speed.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
dmoore shouldve caught it…if its one step away…close call.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer will start the season.
Pryor will finish the season.
And DA will be gone at the end of the season.
Book it.
Oh, and Happy New Year!!
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Yeah and this is why they need to trade or cut Palmer. No need to waste time or money. It’s time to move on.
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we can’t cut palmer. too big of a cap hit. get over it. plus it would leave us with the worst qb in the nfl.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Riff,
Tebow is the worst kind of fraud; one that acutely feels that he is the real deal. Unlike other self-obsessed athletes who live for public (external) gratification, Tebow’s need for validation is satisfied by his deeply ingrained faith. This renders his egoism in a self-righteous light, which isn’t merely unflattering but in fact becomes unsettling. He only exists as an identity in the public sphere, but in this case the public is his internalized version of God.
That is why Tebow will always say and do the “right” thing while still ultimately remaining a phony. He necessarily perceives himself through an omniscient lens of judgment, which means he will compulsively suppress any aspect of his nature which doesn’t correspond with that ethos. Which is scary, because it makes him the worst kind of fake, one who believes he is objectively worthy.
It’s almost like he’s in the closet, except instead of being gay he’s just an a$$hole who won’t own up to it.
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Spot fvcking on.
You have a degree in psyche or just read a lot?
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tebow is a good kid. stop hating cuz u don’t care for God or religion.
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It has nothing to do with his religion or god or anything like that.
He doesnt work on his game. End of debate.
As for his religion, he affiliates himself with hate groups and you wonder why he takes crap? Child please.
Read this and then tell me he’s such a great kid…
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7369021&wjb
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
dhb is faster than all those guys…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
1004…how many defenses were scared of myers? lol…not one thats why he had all those catches…put ausberry in there and it changes.
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scared or not, he made a lot of catches. u guys think in all the wrong ways.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
palmer is needed and pryor will be better for it…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Hitting 4.3 type guys in stride on slants and over the middle is not easy. Very difficult and not something most QBs are used too.
There’s a reason why Brees is so accurate. Well, first of all its him, and secondly all of the Saints receivers, Colston espectially, are great route runners but far from “fast”.
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Really, Riff, you’re trying too hard to apologize for Pryor here.
Devery Henderson: 4.37 forty time
Last year, he used Robert Meachem’s 4.39 time very often on deep routes.
Joe Morgan, who averaged 37 yards per catch this season as the heir apparent to Henderson ran a 4.38 at his Pro Day.
Even his TE, Jimmy Graham, ran a 4.48, making him one of the fastest TEs in the league. Other than Colston and Moore, the Saints receiving corp is all about speed.
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Well it looks like I was definitely wrong abou their teams speed.
But it doesnt change the fact that 4.3 guys are difficult to throw too. Especially ones that have a hard time adjusting to the ball in the air.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Zymurge, admit it, you’d take any of those Saints receivers over DHB would you not?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
1018…scared makes defenses slow to react, slow reacting defenses lead to tds….tds lead to wins…rely on an avg te leads to knapp being fired for no tds…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer will start the season.
Pryor will finish the season.
And DA will be gone at the end of the season.
Book it.
Oh, and Happy New Year!!
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Yeah and this is why they need to trade or cut Palmer. No need to waste time or money. It’s time to move on.
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I think I used to agree but I might be changing my mind.
As long as DA is the coach this team will go nowhere.
I’d rather not put the weight of that on TPs back, something DA might want to leverage to prolong his stay.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Hitting 4.3 type guys in stride on slants and over the middle is not easy. Very difficult and not something most QBs are used too.
There’s a reason why Brees is so accurate. Well, first of all its him, and secondly all of the Saints receivers, Colston espectially, are great route runners but far from “fast”.
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Really, Riff, you’re trying too hard to apologize for Pryor here.
Devery Henderson: 4.37 forty time
Last year, he used Robert Meachem’s 4.39 time very often on deep routes.
Joe Morgan, who averaged 37 yards per catch this season as the heir apparent to Henderson ran a 4.38 at his Pro Day.
Even his TE, Jimmy Graham, ran a 4.48, making him one of the fastest TEs in the league. Other than Colston and Moore, the Saints receiving corp is all about speed.
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Well it looks like I was definitely wrong abou their teams speed.
But it doesnt change the fact that 4.3 guys are difficult to throw too. Especially ones that have a hard time adjusting to the ball in the air.
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guess we need more slow guys so pryor can loft his rainbow ducks to them and by the time they get there, they won’t have outrun them.
this is a good plan. i endorse it.
wave of the future!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:34 pm
when it all shakes out, palmer and DA will come out looking very good, while pryor fades away. wish u could all see the future like i can.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:34 pm
dhb…4.23 forty.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:35 pm
So, DA had his whole staff fired?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
a lot will depend on the new oc…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Excuse me, DA’s staff was gutted?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Wait a minute, they’re going to ask DMAC what he likes? Wtf?????
January 1st, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Some passes are just not catchable. I didnt re-watch that play to see if Moore was held up at any point in his route or if he slacked on it. He wasnt the first option on that play and he’s known for not going 100% on plays that arent designed for him.
The ball was placed right in the pocket where the defense wasnt. If he puts it anywhere else their is a sure chance at a INT.
Those are the types of incompletions I can live with. Maybe you want every throw to be a completion but I know that isnt possible. He took the only option he had and put the ball where it wouldnt be a turnover. Live to fight another day.
There are much worse throws that can be picked apart. The only reason we are even talking about this throw is because someone said his deepball needs work when in fact, his worst deep ball wasnt that bad. The rest were spot on.
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I got no issues with throwing the ball away when it’s the right call. But that’s not my definition of a “perfect” throw. Your choice of words, not mine.
I agree that his deep, floating ball is his best pass. My post throw is my best pass, but that doesn’t make me an NFL QB
My issue is that his deep, floating ball appears to be his ONLY pass.
The reason he can’t hit fast guys on flys with that floater is that because of the high arc and hang time, it’s extrememly difficult to time that just right for the WR to run under it. He also has to let it go much earlier in the route, which makes it much harder to look off the deep safety and get him moving the wrong direction.
The QBs with real arms, if they are going to throw to the fly on a short drop throw it on more of a line and hit the guy 20-25 yards downfield before the safety can get there, giving him time to make a play after they have the ball. They reserve the high arc pass for balls that travel 40+ yards in the air and can wait to release those an extra second into the play, allowing them to set the deep coverage up.
I also don’t see Pryor going to the deep WR as a secondary read. He doesn’t have time to do so, because the time from his backpedal to the ball getting a mere 30 yards downfield allows no time for that. He has to let that ball go almost immediately following a medium drop. The best that he can do is look off that target during his drop, which is exactly what he did on the interception. The problem there is he then doesn’t have enough time, with his not so fast brain, to read whether his primary target is actually open before releasing. We all saw the results of that.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
guess we need more slow guys so pryor can loft his rainbow ducks to them and by the time they get there, they won’t have outrun them.
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Pretty sure all his fly patterns were overthrown.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Callahan called the Raiders the dumbest team in America, and sometimes the Raiders have the dumbest fans in America, going back-and-forth about this TP stuff.
So many contend that Dennis Allen didn’t want Pryor to succeed for some reason, maybe to protect Palmer. But DA isn’t the guy who hitched his future to Palmer. Pryor was sitting on the bench when Jackson decided to use Boller instead.
In addition, Hue Jackson sent away all of those picks to get Palmer rather than see what Pryor could do. So yeah, Allen and Knapp (fired) should have probably used Pryor sooner, but I don’t think that there was a conspiracy.
Its not as simple as black and white sometimes.
Knapp is gone now (phew), but it is still true that McFadden is the only back that couldn’t run with success in the scheme (which I hated).
January 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer will start the season.
Pryor will finish the season.
And DA will be gone at the end of the season.
Book it.
Oh, and Happy New Year!!
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Yeah and this is why they need to trade or cut Palmer. No need to waste time or money. It’s time to move on.
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we can’t cut palmer. too big of a cap hit. get over it. plus it would leave us with the worst qb in the nfl.
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Yes they can cut Palmer. It’s all based on the signing bonus part of the contract which he gets no matter what. $11.675 million. $3.8 has already been paid in 2012 which means $3.8 mil for the next 2 years= $7.6 mil. He will not be back in 2014. His salary for 2013 is $13 mil. It all depends how much of a pay cut he will take. If he take a big pay cut then keep him if not cut him. Lets say he takes a $3 mil cut= $10 mil salary. Since he will more than likely not be back in 2014 Raiders will be paying $17.6 million to keep Palmer in 2013. If they cut him it would be $7.6 which he gets no matter what. Cutting Palmer noes not hurt the cap it helps it. Big time.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Knapp was fired ???? REALLY?
HAPPY FREAKIN NEW YEAR
January 1st, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Dr Robert — literal LOL at #1024.
The wave of the future is to dazzle the defense with slow WRs
January 1st, 2013 at 12:44 pm
“admit it, you’d take any of those Saints receivers over DHB would you not?”
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Man… I’d take just about anyone who had hands not made of stone over DHB.
Watching him try to catch the ball is painful. A lot of them he catches two or three times before he hauls it in.
Or drops it…..
January 1st, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Palmer 145/34/987/45/0/2/4237
Lienart 345/87/908/56/1/7/334
Pryor 237/56/990/46/0/4/770
Dmac 451/77/775/22/17/8/2893
Streater 226/23/559/40/6/0/552
Reece 221/78/887/67/9/3/5521
DHB 210/77/567/30/2/1/6590
Moore 791/21/530/61/0/4/1667
January 1st, 2013 at 12:46 pm
quit it dhbis our best rec…has more tds than all the others combined…
January 1st, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Girls in the backyard catch the ball better than DHB.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:48 pm
cool keep throwing to them.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Knapp was fired ????
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Yup.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:51 pm
You guys have been wrong all year point after point after point… yet you still come off as condescending dick’s it’s amazing
January 1st, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Callahan called the Raiders the dumbest team in America, and sometimes the Raiders have the dumbest fans in America, going back-and-forth about this TP stuff.
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Waste of blog space arguing bout Palmer and TP. Let it be.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
O happy days.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I haven’t been wrong about one thing. Not all season.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:54 pm
dayum…what are the next lotto numbers?
January 1st, 2013 at 12:55 pm
The lottery is the tax for dumb people. Right again!
January 1st, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Zymurge, admit it, you’d take any of those Saints receivers over DHB would you not?
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Nope. Imagine what DHB would be playing with Brees in the Saints system first.
I’d take Colston in a heartbeat, that’s a no brainer. Moore probably beats him too, but it’s hard to extrapolate how bad;ly Moore would drop off coming from one of the best passing offenses of the lsat couple years to the Raiders.
DHB does a couple things that a lot of NFL WRs don’t do as well. Remember last year, he was almost automatic on a 10-15 yard out, using his speed to keep the DB behind him and his big body to shield on the come back. He’s also shown to be one of the best, big bodied YAC WRs in the league. He’s a well above average down field blocker to support the running game. He showed incredible veteran savvy saving Pryor’s ass on the subtle push off and then made a very nice catch to salvage a TD.
I don’t see Devery Henderson doing any of those things. Morgan, too young to tell yet. Even Moore, he plays a different kind of game so tough to compare.
In the end DHB is a very solid #2 on a team that has a legit #1 that soaks up safety attention. He’s also a much bigger threat on a team that can actually run the ball so the safeties have to make a choice to lean towards run or stay over the top on him. The way they’ve played the Raiders all season was to maintain deep help on most every play, which limited the audibles that Palmer could call for DHB.
If you don’t believe any of that, look all the way back to last season. With the running threat, safeties were playing up in the box and DBs were backed off DHB 10-12 yards almost constantly. Palmer, being the smart vet that he is, read that all day and called for the mid depth outs. That’s why he had virtually the same states that Lance Moore did this year in 2011 — where he, maybe to your surprise, out played Moore in both receptions and about 50% more yards.
He’s a lot more effective than people give him credit for.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:57 pm
I see 4 major holes looking forward next season
1.- WR: should be a FA pick up there isn’t one worth 3 overall 3rd rounder it’s too late
2.- RT: could be adressed in FA but the good ones would be very expensive could be filled with the 3rd rounder RM must know he needs at least 2 starters from this year draft.
3.- CB/S: Depends on Huff decision, Could be another big FA pick a 4th rounder could be a play here also.
4.- DT: We have a match in the first round with Star
January 1st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Zymurge, you’re an proven idiot. Why don’t you sit down and be quiet?
Maybe reflect a little bit.
January 1st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
no i asked for the numbers not you description…
January 1st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Locks:
Veldheer
Wiz
Nix
Gordon
Ausberry
Streater
Criner
Reece
Goodson
Palmer
Pryor
Houston
Bryant
Bulukidi
Burris
Branch
Adams
Ross
Seabass
Condo
Maybe:
Brisiel
Barnes
Bergstrom
Parsons
Myers
Dhb
Moore
Hagan
Olawale
DMc
Stewart
Jones
Carter
Shaughnessy
Crawford
Kelly
Wheeler
Burnett
Clayton
Huff
Hanson
Giordano
Franzies
Chekwa
Bye bye:
Carlisle
Leinart
Seymour
Tollefson
Green beanie
Lechler
January 1st, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Here’s the link to Cork’s just-concluded Chat. No idea why they didn’t post it here.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22288761/live-blog-inside-oakland-raiders-tuesday-at-noon
January 1st, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Oklahoma put the hurt on Purdue.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Here’s the link to Cork’s just-concluded Chat. No idea why they didn’t post it here.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22288761/live-blog-inside-oakland-raiders-tuesday-at-noon
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Any highlights? Can’t get there from my phone.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:09 pm
So DA rolled up the ol nut sack and fired some coaches? Wow. DA the sack man.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
That’s essentially the same point, no?
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Regime Apologist Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Callahan called the Raiders the dumbest team in America, and sometimes the Raiders have the dumbest fans in America, going back-and-forth about this TP stuff.
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Waste of blog space arguing bout Palmer and TP. Let it be.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
KK — based on your “credibility” here, negative comments about someone’s intelligence and veracity of their content are the most ringing endorsements one can receive.
For that, I thank you. Keep ‘em coming and have a very Happy New Year!
January 1st, 2013 at 1:11 pm
To all you “optimistic” or should I say delusional fans out there of Palmer. Get ready for more sub .500 seasons as long as he is the staring QB. This guy is a loser and doesn’t care one bit about records, winning or playoffs. He cares about getting his checks and sitting on his couch in San Diego down the street from pizza face Norv. You put your trust in Palmer and you will always lose. He is Marc Wilson, Jay Schroeder, Jeff George and Kerry Collins rolled up into one big pile of crap. Together how many playoff games did these five guys win? 3 maybe? Until this clown is gone the only hope you should be holding out for is a career ending injury in training camp for CP3.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Regime Apologist Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Here’s the link to Cork’s just-concluded Chat. No idea why they didn’t post it here.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22288761/live-blog-inside-oakland-raiders-tuesday-at-noon
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Any highlights? Can’t get there from my phone.
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Cork has no opinions on the new OC, other than it won’t be Norv Turner. He says we’re not letting go of Palmer because the cap hit would be prohibitive, but was really impressed by Pryor. Oh, and his Jennifer Aniston fixation continues unabated.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:13 pm
“quit it dhbis our best rec…has more tds than all the others combined…”
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That says more about how bad they are than how good he is.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:13 pm
And the latest contestant for dumbest poster ever arrives
January 1st, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Wishbone
January 1st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Hey Dr. care to put your bank account where your mouth is ahole?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Dr. I bet you were the one who thought lil Stui Schweigert was the 2nd coming of Rod Woodson. Didn’t you? I thought so.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Wanna know how I know this board is littered with morons? Every time a raider player does well, he’s hated here. Who have been our best defensive players the last few years? Kelly, Seymour, branch. All pro bowl players or alternates. So th league and players think they’re good. But they have been hated here. I don’t remember anyone but myself saying they were good. Dumbest fans ever.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Ok wishboner. What do u possibly have in mind?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Clowny at d end
January 1st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
It is one thing to root against a team or a player,but to root for a career ending injury is pretty low.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Lefty
Do the Raiders go back to power football next year?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Wishboner can only be missdick or jokefoshow. Lets find out which.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Only real Moron is your Dr. When did Branch ever make a Pro Bowl?? Seymour has been getting by on his NE rep for years. Kelly has had one decent year among many others littered with stupid mistakes that cost us games and prime example of overrated Raiders is Nnamdi. He has been a joke in Phily not a Pro Bowler.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:28 pm
KK-wouldn’t bet against it.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
However many quarters are in your pathetic account I will match betting that your boy CP3 NEVER has a winning record as a Raider starting QB.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Locks:
Veldheer
Wiz
Nix
Gordon
Ausberry
Streater
Criner
Reece
Goodson
Palmer
Pryor
Houston
Bryant
Bulukidi
Burris
Branch
Adams
Ross
Seabass
Condo
Maybe:
Brisiel
Barnes
Bergstrom
Parsons
Myers
Dhb
Moore
Hagan
Olawale
DMc
Stewart
Jones
Carter
Shaughnessy
Crawford
Kelly
Wheeler
Burnett
Clayton
Huff
Hanson
Giordano
Franzies
Chekwa
Bye bye:
Carlisle
Leinart
Seymour
Tollefson
Green beanie
Lechler
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Bergstrom and Wheeler both need to be moved to the “locks” list.
Wheeler was our defensive MVP and their is no way they give up on Bergstrom this fast.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Dr_robert,
My issue with Tebow has more to do with his personality than his religion, though I’ll definitely say that religion in general has the ability to allow for certain justified forms of extremism, both in perspective and in action.
I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable about being weirded out by people who solely establish their identities through a religious framework. You can tell by their tone that something is off about them, which is why I find Tebow so unsettling.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
It is one thing to root against a team or a player,but to root for a career ending injury is pretty low.
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Then call me low.
I used to root for it all the time against Elway. I still do against Brady. And Philip Rivers can go get hit by a mack truck for all I care.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
** NEW TERRELLE PRYOR INTERVIEW** taken yesterday in the lockeroom after DA presser.
Interesting Tidbit about *NORV TURNER **
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbTW0NdFKs8&feature=player_embedded
January 1st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Is Myers a FA? I know he can’t block for sh!t, but we don’t have a lot of options at the TE position.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Wanna know how I know this board is littered with morons? Every time a raider player does well, he’s hated here. Who have been our best defensive players the last few years? Kelly, Seymour, branch. All pro bowl players or alternates. So th league and players think they’re good. But they have been hated here. I don’t remember anyone but myself saying they were good. Dumbest fans ever.\
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Well then you are not paying attention because Ive had Kelly and Seymours back all year.
My issue’s with Kelly are that he’s an idiot.
And my issue with the pair of them is that they arent worth a combined 20+ million a year.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Dr_robert,
My issue with Tebow has more to do with his personality than his religion, though I’ll definitely say that religion in general has the ability to allow for certain justified forms of extremism, both in perspective and in action.
I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable about being weirded out by people who solely establish their identities through a religious framework. You can tell by their tone that something is off about them, which is why I find Tebow so unsettling.
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Damn. Happy New Year, bro.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Then you need to get a life.I root against players on OTHER teams too,but not so they are maimed for life.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:35 pm
” DT Tommy Kelly started his 80th consecu- tive game in the season finale, marking the longest active streak by a defensive tackle in the NFL. Kelly has not missed a game since sitting out nine contests due to a knee injury in 2007, and has started every game since Sept. 8, 2008, vs. Denver.”
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-2012-Season-in-Review/c824bcff-55ca-4b93-b5d5-e2e8f7f4e3e6
January 1st, 2013 at 1:36 pm
It’s only a stupid game.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Happy New Year, Kell! Any resolutions?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
** NEW TERRELLE PRYOR INTERVIEW** taken yesterday in the lockeroom after DA presser.
Interesting Tidbit about *NORV TURNER **
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbTW0NdFKs8&feature=player_embedded
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Once again, he says all the right stuff… and he genuinely means it.
Dr Robert and Zymurge have plenty of legitimate reasons to bet against the kid. Rational thought says that a super mobile QB will never win in this league because, well, it never has.
But there’s something about TP that has me believing. Im pushing all my chips to the center and going all in behind this kid. TP or bust.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Romnowski and LO neal said something very important yesterday. Something few of us here miss.
He said a coach is a teacher and just because you are in the nfl doesnt mean u stop learning as a Player. At this level as a play you still need to learn and Player are looking to be taught.
They want a coach that is a players coach and that actually cares for them. ROMO said a coach needs to have a bond and connectiong with the PLAYERS. He said he didnt know or it didnt seem like DA has a connection with the players for at least half of the season.
Thinks he is starting to learn that and hopefully next year is different.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Happy New Year, Kell! Any resolutions?
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I want to concentrate on my breaths more, try to stay in the here and now.
You?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:41 pm
^^^^
“RESHAPING THE ROSTER: The Raiders played last season’s finale vs. San Diego with 53 players on their roster and four on injured reserve. Of those 57, only 26 were active in the 2012 season finale. Only 29 are still in the organization, and of those 29, just 21 are currently under contract for next season.”
January 1st, 2013 at 1:43 pm
The Linebackers coach was fired, too?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:44 pm
I was really impressed with Pryor, flaws and all. Love that the kid seemed to thrive off competition, even if he’s rough around the edges. Brought a spark to the game, and he should definitely be the backup next year.
Again, it comes down to tone. Maybe I was just desperate for a sign of life from this team, and maybe I just want Al Davis’ last draft pick to produce after all the misses, but Pryor seemed to bring it. It closed the season on a hopeful note.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:45 pm
I resolved to read more books, given that I’ve become too distracted by online articles and lost the patience for reading. The end of football season should help with that one for sure.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
No matter how much DA improves as a head coach and Reggie as a GM and the defense gets much better you still have one BIG problem. His name is Carson Palmer. You can make the most perfect dinner, but as soon as you open that stinky bottle of wine it’s ruined. You can build a perfect ship, but if it isn’t iceberg proof all you have is the Titanic. Raiders can be better in every shape and form next season without a doubt, but they still will have a loser at starting QB. Mark my words folks and anyone who really thinks I’m wrong feel free to add me to your friendly wager list. Carson Palmer is a cancer, a liability and a check collector. PERIOD!!! They tried to find his character, but there was no use because he has none.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Cork needs to put a list together of recently fired ST coaches. Reggie and DA may as well fill that vacancy before settling into the search for a replacement OC.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Didnt score any td`s for many quarters, TP gets three in his 1st start in pissing rain and some fans dog him for it, they use to losing man they love it,some prefer pretty rainbow passing garbage time losses to blood and guts fight for every yard …they refuse to acknowledge WR`s get more seperation with a mobile QB,plays are kept alive,some are happy to watch our WR`s getting blown up every week,they so use to this losing culture they refuse to remember how many ugly drives Palmer quit on,do they forget he failed time and time again to move the chains and its not all on Knapp,CP wouldnt improvise even when he knew the offence sucked ,,,if Palmer dont retire then he should re-do his contract and back-up/ mentor TP moving foward the NFL is changing to this type of dual-threat qb and we need to move chains with rhythm TP is the future and he will fight, he will not quit
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Yep so true! Dont forget the late Al Davis never would have traded for PALMER. PRYOR would have been groomed for the future.
January 1st, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Wow. Plenty of good coaches out there that are more qualified to be the Raiders head coach instead of Tits Allen.
Instead Tits buys himself another year with the firing of the lousy assistants that should have never been hired by him in the first place.
Then DA starts to flip flop yesterday….big time.
We shall see who McK and Tits DA hire as OC, OLine coach, special teams coach and LB coach and see if they hire the right coaches this time. Especially the right OC/Playcaller and OLine coach with the right scheme and the need for a REAL special teams coach.
How Tits DA survived yesterday, I have know idea.
Then if Tits DA gives us another 4 win campaign next year, how will he survive this time?
Ugh
January 1st, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Where are the defenders of DA hiring Knapp as his OC and switching to the ZBS unecessarily now??
What can you say now?
January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Its not out of the possibility that Mark Davis let Allen Keep his job if he
1. Fired KNAPP
2. Got an OC here to help pryor become future qb. Look at the terrelle pryor interview.
go back on sunday night NORVE TURNER interupted a Live Pryor interview and told him to Keep “grinding” keep at it young man. Looked like a bro mance
Now there is this. Look at what Norv said today about future JOBS as OC
Turner said he doesn’t want to join a coaching staff that’s been in place for, say, four years where he’d step in and be the new guy. At his next stop, he’d like to build his own offensive staff.
“The one thing that I’ve done on the last four or five jobs I’ve had is that wherever I’ve gone, I’ve gone with the staff that was in place,” Turner said. “Here the staff was in place. You spend a lot of time coaching coaches and teaching them your system and the things you want to do.
“So, from an offensive standpoint, if I was in an offense somewhere and I had the opportunity to bring in my guys — the guys who know the types of things that we’re trying to do — that would be important to me.”
As for player personnel, he has NO PREFERENCE if it’d be a younger or more veteran quarterback whom he’ll be mentoring.
He’s won with both before, such as Alex Smith in San Francisco and Jay Fiedler in Miami, respectively.
“We’ll make it work,” Turner said.
Turner won Super Bowls in 1992 and 1993 as Cowboys offensive coordinator. Dallas won’t be his next destination, he said. ”
Norv has zero preference of a younger or older guy. How about BOTH!!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:44 pm
I was really impressed with Pryor, flaws and all. Love that the kid seemed to thrive off competition, even if he’s rough around the edges. Brought a spark to the game, and he should definitely be the backup next year.
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I was also impressed, I didn’t expect him to come out and look like a pro bowl QB or anything, I was just hoping to see a glimmer of hope. I honestly thought that the O line would fail him and that his first start would be a complete disaster.
I’m really happy for the kid, I think he ended the Raiders season on a positive note.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:07 pm
In case anyone was wondering?
Yes, I am an attention whore.
What does that mean, you ask?
Let me elucidate.
I’ve now posted “Knapp got fired?” probably 50 times. Over and over and over.
You’ll notice that 98% of my posts are of the “one sentence, say nothing” mode. Strictly designed for someone to reply back. to pay attention to me. Hence my official title of “Attention Whore” which, honestly, is much better than my other title of “Monstrous Chafed Buttcheeks”
I’ll jump in on others exchanges with an insult. All designed for them to now talk to ME. When I don’t get attention, I’ll repeat where necessary.
It’s what I do. It’s all I do.
Am I sad?
pathetically so.
Do I care?
What do you think?
Ok, off to powder the offending areas rubbed raw with Gold Bond powder.
What the hell is that “thwap thwap” sound when I walk??
January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
BTW, I much prefer Attention Whore, or even Monstrous Chafed Buttcheeks over “Kell the Snitch”.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
DA and reggie will be gone next year then we can get back to raider football…
January 1st, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Anyone read Pryors comments how he wasn’t glad Knapp left, but was thrilled Allen was still around? How he loves him as a coach, that the whole team loves him as a coach, and respects what he’s done?
Well, now you know.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Come on Reggie, open up the wallet and get Chris Peterson for OC!!!!!
January 1st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Where are the defenders of DA hiring Knapp as his OC and switching to the ZBS unecessarily now??
What can you say now?
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The ZBS is a superior system to angle-blocking, but it needs coaches to implement it. I’ve been saying for months that Frank Pollack was an awful o-line coach.
As for Knapp, a lot of us were hoping that with a QB as talented as Palmer, he’d loosen up his bloody playbook a little. Wrong.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
DA and reggie will be gone next year then we can get back to raider football…
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Defined as what? Al’s way got us seven 11-loss seasons in a row.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:13 pm
I ve criticized Knapp all year. Cross posters have made a living off of me. Knapp was fired the first day of the off-season
Do I get a apology? No
Do I get a KoolKell you were right? No
Is there any regret for abusing a long time .raider fan? No
Happy New Year mtfkaaaaaaaaaaaas
January 1st, 2013 at 2:14 pm
It’s not too late. Fire DA and hire Lovie Smith!
Fire Dennis Allen! Then:
Hire Lovie Smith!
Hire Lovie Smith!
Hire Lovie Smith!
Hire Lovie Smith!
All together now!!!
Oh wait. Lovie is a real head coach that would not touch the Raiders with a 20 foot pole. Nevermind.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Its not out of the possibility that Mark Davis let Allen Keep his job if he
1. Fired KNAPP
2. Got an OC here to help pryor become future qb. Look at the terrelle pryor interview.=============
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Give it up.
mark, by his own admission, has ZERO INPUT. None. He knows nothing of football. Knows nothing of business. Knows nothing of leading.
Daddy Al did NOT groom his son to take over.
Mark did the right thing in hiring a GM and stating LOUD AND CLEAR THAT ALL DECISIONS MADE ARE THE GM’S TO MAKE.
Want proof?
IN ALL THE YEARS OF RAIDER GAMES, WHERE THE CAMERA WOULD ZOOM UP TO AL IN HIS BOX, always sitting next to Otto, or behind him, how many times did you see Al Davis sitting there with his son?
NEVER.
Think about that.
Sad that it’s true, but geez Al, your SON? Never even included your own damn son?
And now Mark has been handed the keys, and has no idea how to adjust the mirror, the seat, or even how to start the damn thing.
Mark has wisely decided to let Reg drive a vehicle he is completely foreign to.
Psst? Kell? Sorry it’s more than one sentence..kind of gives it away it’s not you.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:16 pm
No, it was those black good for nothin, welfare, check cashing N words.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
DA and reggie will be gone next year then we can get back to raider football…
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Still having wet dreams about Gruden I guess.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
I would sure like to be at the rose bowl today
Heres to Stanford kicking butt and continuing the Shaw dynasty.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:13 pm
I ve criticized Knapp all year. Cross posters have made a living off of me. Knapp was fired the first day of the off-season
Do I get a apology? No
Do I get a KoolKell you were right? No
Is there any regret for abusing a long time .raider fan? No
Happy New Year mtfkaaaaaaaaaaaas
///////////////
You are a sheep, and a worm.
Whatever Mistic and Priest say, you IMMEDIATELY JUMP ON, knowing at some point when you get bichslapped, you will count on them to bail your ignorant ass out.
Link to where YOU detailed comments about Knapp…NO, YOU IGNORANT TOAD, NOT COMMENTS YOU COPIED FROM SOMEONE ELSE, BUT A LINK TO WHERE YOU, ON YOUR OWN, MAKE A COMMENT YOU THOUGHT OF.
In other words, you won’t be replying, lol..DUMBASS.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
also 3 super bowls…reggues way got us 4-12…am i mistaken?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:19 pm
2. Got an OC here to help pryor become future qb. Look at the terrelle pryor interview.
go back on sunday night NORVE TURNER interupted a Live Pryor interview and told him to Keep “grinding” keep at it young man. Looked like a bro mance
Now there is this. Look at what Norv said today about future JOBS as OC
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http://www.csncalifornia.com/raiders/pryor-i-missed-some-throws-i-could-have-made
January 1st, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Give what up? I said its not out of the possbilities. Just cuz Vic Tafaur said tis possible DA got the nudge from Mckenzie/ Mark Davis to start pryor.
Also it was said Mark told reggie to tell Knapp to find out what DMAC does best. Vic also said Mark was visibly upset after the carolina game. Maybe cuz they decided to roll with Leinart in that game????
January 1st, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Pryor asked norv was he talking stuff on the sidelines norv said, man i don’t do that sh1t…lol
January 1st, 2013 at 2:21 pm
lmao off at the losers…go with knapp follow his zbs…#unemployed
January 1st, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Well, the bootlickers will be looking for new Boots. lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Its not out of the possibility that Mark Davis let Allen Keep his job if he
1. Fired KNAPP
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!
What is wrong with you people?
Dennis Allen fired Knapp and Dennis Allen fired Knapp because he is the head coach and because he thought Knapp did a pizz poor job as an OC particularly in the running game.
There was no political pressure applied from above and there are no machinations going on in secret.
End of story.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
also 3 super bowls…reggues way got us 4-12…am i mistaken?
=============================================
With the most recent Super Bowl victory during Ronald Reagan’s first term. Stop living in the past. Al’s way hasn’t worked for a long, long time.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
DA got pimp slapped!
January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Give it up.
mark, by his own admission, has ZERO INPUT. None. He knows nothing of football.
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Give what up??
That was b4 the season. Monte Pooles ARticle said Mark Davis was pissed after bengal game and talked to DA on the flight home wanted to see if he had any fire? Said he frankly didnt know if he had it.
Corky chats saying Mark davis wasnt sold on DA yet during the season. I said its not out of the possbilities. Just cuz Vic Tafaur said tis possible DA got the nudge from Mckenzie/ Mark Davis to start pryor.
Also it was said Mark told reggie to tell Knapp to find out what plays DMAC does best. Vic also said Mark was visibly upset after the carolina game. Maybe cuz they decided to roll with Leinart in that game????
January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Dont forget the late Al Davis never would have traded for PALMER. PRYOR would have been groomed for the future
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You are right about that. TP would have started this year and likely finished last year as the starter.
Al would flipped out when JC went down and he got a good look at Kyle. He may have fired hue just for that
January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Anyone read Pryors comments how he wasn’t glad Knapp left, but was thrilled Allen was still around? How he loves him as a coach, that the whole team loves him as a coach, and respects what he’s done?
Well, now you know.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What that means is that Pryor is not stupid. He knows what to say and when to say it.
That’s a good thing.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Give what up? I said its not out of the possbilities. Just cuz Vic Tafaur said tis possible DA got the nudge from Mckenzie/ Mark Davis to start pryor.
Also it was said Mark told reggie to tell Knapp to find out what DMAC does best. Vic also said Mark was visibly upset after the carolina game. Maybe cuz they decided to roll with Leinart in that game????
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don’t confuse them with logic
January 1st, 2013 at 2:26 pm
#unemployed….
January 1st, 2013 at 2:26 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Its not out of the possibility that Mark Davis let Allen Keep his job if he
1. Fired KNAPP
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!
What is wrong with you people?
Dennis Allen fired Knapp and Dennis Allen fired Knapp because he is the head coach and because he thought Knapp did a pizz poor job as an OC particularly in the running game.
There was no political pressure applied from above and there are no machinations going on in secret.
End of story.
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That’s the thing about “you people”. You always so sure of things you don’t know schit about.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:28 pm
zbs is all but gone…#irrelevant
January 1st, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Good interview by Pryor…
January 1st, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
also 3 super bowls…reggues way got us 4-12…am i mistaken?
=============================================
With the most recent Super Bowl victory during Ronald Reagan’s first term. Stop living in the past. Al’s way hasn’t worked for a long, long time.
============
2000-2002…we were the division champs and appeared in a Super Bowl.
Since that time, it’s only been NE, Indy, & Pittsburgh that have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl
If “Al’s way wasn’t working” then only 3 teams in the conference had better ways this century.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:30 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Where are the defenders of DA hiring Knapp as his OC and switching to the ZBS unecessarily now??
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
What are yo talking about?
I didn’t see ANYONE on here praising Knapp except for Vegas and he was doing it in a comparitive way.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:08 pm
DA and reggie will be gone next year then we can get back to raider football…
=========================================
Defined as what? Al’s way got us seven 11-loss seasons in a row.
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And Al stopped that streak by getting Hue Jackson in here. What has Reggie’s way produced so far? Hiring the worst OC in football?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:33 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Its not out of the possibility that Mark Davis let Allen Keep his job if he
1. Fired KNAPP
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeze!
What is wrong with you people?
Dennis Allen fired Knapp and Dennis Allen fired Knapp because he is the head coach and because he thought Knapp did a pizz poor job as an OC particularly in the running game.
There was no political pressure applied from above and there are no machinations going on in secret.
End of story.
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That’s the thing about “you people”. You always so sure of things you don’t know schit about.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
That works for both of us swabby.
At least my statement is rooted in commonsense.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:33 pm
You (are) always so sure of things you don’t know schit about.
=======================
Truer words were never spoken.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Good interview by Pryor…
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Yeah.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Where are the defenders of DA hiring Knapp as his OC and switching to the ZBS unecessarily now??
What can you say now?
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The same things we’ve been saying for weeks. Allen and Reggie believe in the ZBS. 2012 was a year of transition. Knapp was well suited to lead that transition.
The one thing that failed was DMac and his inability to read in that system. That will be addressed next year when DMac is gone and cheaper, better ZBS backs are brought in.
The system is not likely to change. That’s another setback and it gets away from the philosopy that Reggie and Allen show all the signs of wanting to keep in place. The next OC will be another ZBS disciple, but one that is probably younger as an up and comer and that shows he’s a more creative play caller. That same guy probably would not have done as well with the transitional part, which takes a more experienced, mature lower key guy with the right patience.
Knapp was the best fit available for year 1 ZBS. The next OC (I’m still hoping it’ll be Ben McAdoo, although he’s now being seen as a possible HC candidate for Philly) will be a better fit for taking it to the next level with the team bought in and the right personnel to run it.
It all does make sense as long as you don’t forget that 2012 was a throwaway from the minute Reggie was hired. He said as much in his presser but then the team got a win, and everyone got excited and lost sight of reality.
You can’t judge the system until mid next season
January 1st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
also 3 super bowls…reggues way got us 4-12…am i mistaken?
=============================================
With the most recent Super Bowl victory during Ronald Reagan’s first term. Stop living in the past. Al’s way hasn’t worked for a long, long time.
============
2000-2002…we were the division champs and appeared in a Super Bowl.
Since that time, it’s only been NE, Indy, & Pittsburgh that have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl
If “Al’s way wasn’t working” then only 3 teams in the conference had better ways this century.
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You’re forgetting the seven straight 11-loss seasons. An all-time NFL record for suckiness, and it was 100% on Al.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
1136 wasn’t directed at you England.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:36 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:31 pm
And Al stopped that streak by getting Hue Jackson in here. What has Reggie’s way produced so far? Hiring the worst OC in football?
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You mean the exact same OC that Al himself hired once upon a time? And Knapp wasn’t the worst. That would be Tom Walsh…another Al pick.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I do not believe Norv would come here however, what do you guys think of him as OC?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:18 pm
also 3 super bowls…reggues way got us 4-12…am i mistaken?
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With the most recent Super Bowl victory during Ronald Reagan’s first term. Stop living in the past. Al’s way hasn’t worked for a long, long time.
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2000-2002…we were the division champs and appeared in a Super Bowl.
Since that time, it’s only been NE, Indy, & Pittsburgh that have represented the AFC in the Super Bowl
If “Al’s way wasn’t working” then only 3 teams in the conference had better ways this century.
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You’re forgetting the seven straight 11-loss seasons. An all-time NFL record for suckiness, and it was 100% on Al.
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No I’m not, you said above that his way hasn’t worked in a long time and referenced the Super Bowl, so what’s that say about these other franchises in our conference?
BTW, if Denise doesn’t win 8 games next year he’s done, and Chubby Checker will have to correct his fu**up.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I do not believe Norv would come here however, what do you guys think of him as OC?
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He’s been an excellent OC before. His OC prowess is what kept getting him head-coaching jobs.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Adam Caplan@caplannfl
#NFL personnel director last week to me on this year’s group of QB prospects: “If you like slop, this is the draft that will excite you.”
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
January 1st, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Locks:
Veldheer
Wiz
Nix
Gordon
Ausberry
Streater
Criner
Reece
Goodson
Palmer
Pryor
Houston
Bryant
Bulukidi
Burris
Branch
Adams
Ross
Seabass
Condo
Maybe:
Brisiel
Barnes
Bergstrom
Parsons
Myers
Dhb
Moore
Hagan
Olawale
DMc
Stewart
Jones
Carter
Shaughnessy
Crawford
Kelly
Wheeler
Burnett
Clayton
Huff
Hanson
Giordano
Franzies
Chekwa
Bye bye:
Carlisle
Leinart
Seymour
Tollefson
Green beanie
Lechler
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Bergstrom and Wheeler both need to be moved to the “locks” list.
Wheeler was our defensive MVP and their is no way they give up on Bergstrom this fast.
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the maybe list includes frr agents, like wheeler cuz we don’t know. wouldn’t give up on the zbs-inclined bergstrom? joe barksdale ring a bell? he could be traded easily in favor of lucas niz.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Dr_robert,
My issue with Tebow has more to do with his personality than his religion, though I’ll definitely say that religion in general has the ability to allow for certain justified forms of extremism, both in perspective and in action.
I don’t think there’s anything unreasonable about being weirded out by people who solely establish their identities through a religious framework. You can tell by their tone that something is off about them, which is why I find Tebow so unsettling.
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there isn’t anything particularly weird about tebow. he’s a young man with strong faith.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Rob, you need to put Ford on the your list.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I do not believe Norv would come here however, what do you guys think of him as OC?
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I wouldn’t mind Norc coming home Thec.
First, he’s a good OC and second he knows quite a bit about the dischargers.
It’s hard to believe though that he will take a demotion from HC to OC but he’s done it before.
I’ve got a feeling that he’s going to Philadelphia.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:43 pm
*Norv.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Wishbone Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
No matter how much DA improves as a head coach and Reggie as a GM and the defense gets much better you still have one BIG problem. His name is Carson Palmer. You can make the most perfect dinner, but as soon as you open that stinky bottle of wine it’s ruined. You can build a perfect ship, but if it isn’t iceberg proof all you have is the Titanic. Raiders can be better in every shape and form next season without a doubt, but they still will have a loser at starting QB. Mark my words folks and anyone who really thinks I’m wrong feel free to add me to your friendly wager list. Carson Palmer is a cancer, a liability and a check collector. PERIOD!!! They tried to find his character, but there was no use because he has none.
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so idiotic. just so idiotic.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Ausberry is no lock.Neither is Gordon.Bergstrom and Myers are.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I do not believe Norv would come here however, what do you guys think of him as OC?
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He’s been an excellent OC before. His OC prowess is what kept getting him head-coaching jobs.
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I know the guys history of winning as an OCO however, ny question is, would the NATION want him as the OCO?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
1136 wasn’t directed at you England.
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Lefty, I was going to Raiders games at Frank Youell Field, while you were waddling around in schitty diapers,Ok?
And that England fkr, who knows where
January 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm
When “Al’s way” worked, we only had 3 head coaches over a 20 year span and Al was one of them.
Then Al started firing everyone and went senile and created the most dysfunctional mess in sports.
Its going to take more than one season to repair the damage done.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Anyone read Pryors comments how he wasn’t glad Knapp left, but was thrilled Allen was still around? How he loves him as a coach, that the whole team loves him as a coach, and respects what he’s done?
Well, now you know.
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i expect missdick to claim pryor is a white supremacist who is trying to hold himself back.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:38 pm
I do not believe Norv would come here however, what do you guys think of him as OC?
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I wouldn’t mind Norc coming home Thec.
First, he’s a good OC and second he knows quite a bit about the dischargers.
It’s hard to believe though that he will take a demotion from HC to OC but he’s done it before.
I’ve got a feeling that he’s going to Philadelphia.
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I am thinking Dalla$$, or the jest. I liked what he said to TP during that interview, I have a new respect for him.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:46 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Wishbone Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 1:48 pm
No matter how much DA improves as a head coach and Reggie as a GM and the defense gets much better you still have one BIG problem. His name is Carson Palmer. You can make the most perfect dinner, but as soon as you open that stinky bottle of wine it’s ruined. You can build a perfect ship, but if it isn’t iceberg proof all you have is the Titanic. Raiders can be better in every shape and form next season without a doubt, but they still will have a loser at starting QB. Mark my words folks and anyone who really thinks I’m wrong feel free to add me to your friendly wager list. Carson Palmer is a cancer, a liability and a check collector. PERIOD!!! They tried to find his character, but there was no use because he has none.
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so idiotic. just so idiotic.
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Save your wrists from the RSI Doc. People will see what they want to see. Most have had their minds made up long ago and all the evidence in the world either won’t sway that.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:48 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 5:16 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:02 am
Turf toe Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 am
One of these days, I will tell the nation about a fight in Raider HQ between a former California state wrestling champion and Dave Casper.
But not tonight.
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About twenty years ago, I used to go with this woman who pretty much often made the same kind of statement.
It was always…”but not tonight”.
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OK.
So you have to be talking about Casper and Plunkett.
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So Turf Toe, you going to tell us your story?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:49 pm
holmgren saying he would consider coaching. reggie interested?
January 1st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Lefty, I was going to Raiders games at Frank Youell Field, while you were waddling around in schitty diapers,Ok?
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LMFAO.Pootbutt.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I don’t understand all the TP/ CP hate?
CP is the best QB we had since Gannon.
TP is the best prospect since Jabustus, but with a better work ethic and no drug issues.
Both QBs are under contract next year.
The only position on the team that is not a weakness, and people are not satisfied.
You People are mad!
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Couldn’t agree more….
January 1st, 2013 at 2:52 pm
am thinking Dalla$$, or the jest. I liked what he said to TP during that interview, I have a new respect for him.
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Maybe you’re right. I like my guess more–but mostly because it’s my guess.
Andy Reid is in a bad place and I don’t mean Philadelphia.
That guy should have taken time off after his son died.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
I think the Jets already confirmed that blowhard is staying on as HC.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman just now
My man @TerrellePryor showed me he can definitely play in the NFL and is a #Baller. #muchrespect
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Maybe you’re right. I like my guess more–but mostly because it’s my guess.
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lol…both of us could wind up being wrong. Based on some of hia comments doubt he would come to Oak.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:55 pm
This I do know: Reggie has 100% more football knowledge than I do and if that’s the case he would pull out all stops to get Norv Turner as OC.
I have this thing in my mind that says Reggie nor DA wants anyone new there that is a threat to their own jobs. So Gruden wasn’t an option for HC and a guy like Whisenhunt won’t be an option for OC.
But a guy like Norv Turner who has failed several times as HC is perfect for Reggie and DA. Our offense would be blazing and We have enough QB play for the next 10 years between Palmer and TP.
January 1st, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Per the Associated Press, Turner told New York reporters on Thursday that he would be willing to become an coordinator again, in “a place where you have an opportunity to win and be in a situation that there are coaches I’ve worked with and been around.”
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Do we meet this criteria?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I don’t understand all the TP/ CP hate?
CP is the best QB we had since Gannon.
TP is the best prospect since Jabustus, but with a better work ethic and no drug issues.
Both QBs are under contract next year.
The only position on the team that is not a weakness, and people are not satisfied.
You People are mad!
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Couldn’t agree more….
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Palmer is a NEVER going to win INT machine OVERRATED LOSER QB that has been over hyped by “some” Raider fans. Tony Romo is more of a “winner” than Palmer. LOL just saying that is bad. Ask some Bengals fans about Palmer. Not saying TP is the “savior” but the Raiders are rebuilding and it’s time to move on from Palmer.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
1136 wasn’t directed at you England.
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Lefty, I was going to Raiders games at Frank Youell Field, while you were waddling around in schitty diapers,Ok?
And that England fkr, who knows where
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“who knows where”?
That “where” azzhole was way west of you.
While you were floating in luxury on the tax payer dime trying to earn that life pension for twenty years service, I was experiencing a little harder life and I was damn well fuk’n busier.
Shove your “where” comment up your azz.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Looks like Saunders is the OC.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman just now
My man @TerrellePryor showed me he can definitely play in the NFL and is a #Baller. #muchrespect
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Think Nap sees a little more Pryor than the haters do.
Btw, first time I’ve posted after reading for years. Just can’t stand all the TP hate. Or the CP hate. Knapp I can understand. But hate is not good. Has a bad stank to it.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Per the Associated Press, Turner told New York reporters on Thursday that he would be willing to become an coordinator again, in “a place where you have an opportunity to win and be in a situation that there are coaches I’ve worked with and been around.”
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Yes we do. He’s been around Tarver at SF. He’s been around Mark Davis. Dallas fits the bill also because Rob Ryan was his DC when he was here in Oak. But that might be in our favor as he might feel like Ryan’s defense got him canned in Oak.
He’s worked with all the front office people and equipment staff that’s been here a while also. I hope he chooses to come here and coach his neighbor from down the street (Palmer).
January 1st, 2013 at 3:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Looks like Saunders is the OC.
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Says who?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
There’s some major tendencies of TP that I cannot believe the SD eyes in the sky didn’t figure out right away… every time he was in shotgun, all they had to do was jump the route of the receiver he was staring at for pick-6 because thats who he threw to EVERY TIME. I guess thats why SD isn’t very good either. Somebody needs to point this out to TP before he starts another game… the DCs have to be salivating otherwise.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:54 pm
I think the Jets already confirmed that blowhard is staying on as HC.
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Thought I saw he voluntarily resigned. But I guess that wasn’t the case? Was Saunders named OC?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Personel wise;
1. Keep current QB’s signed.
2. Draft best pass rushing DE on the board.
3. Draft TRENCHMEN on both sides of the ball.
Build the trenches….Build the GD trenches.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
It is kind of logical that Sanders gets the job.
He would be cheap and he would fit with Palmer.
Also, Sanders has a playbook about the size of Hue’s ego.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Long time reader, first time poster,
I just don’t understand the TP hate.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
They think they have to chose between the two, it’s the best situtaion we have had at QB position in many many years. Why argue?
I like Palmer and can’t thank him enough for the work he did with Pryor or else that kid might be getting shipped out. Palmer is still an outstanding talent who needs help from a running game and rec’s he’s no longer an elite QB but that isn’t a must. He is a highly viable starter that can help any team offensively. Pryor is a tremendous prospect with all world upside.
Palmer was the prototypical QB of yesteryear and pryor is the prototypical QB of today. We have them both how cna you not be ecstatic about that. Since how long has it been that we had NEITHER………we should hugging and slapping each other on the back filled with anticipation of this team finally getting to where we all want them to be.
As long as Palmer is playing well I have no issues with him as a starter, my only issues was with the staff that tried to ignore what I think is an outstanding prospect. Now that is no longer the case we know what he can be and they also know what he can be.
I think Pryor opened DA’s eyes Sunday I don’t think DA had the foggiest idea that Pryor was that kind of competitor and leader. I watched DA look into Pryor’s eyes when he was having a conversation with Knapp and he looked at Pryor with surprise and kind of smiled like ‘damn this kid has moxey’ he saw the leader every team needs to be successful.
After rewatching the Monday presser you could see that he watched the film and was excited about the young prospect and I think it weighed in his decision to fire Knapp maybe not a measure portion but I think he grew frustrated with Knapp’s inability to utilize talent. He finally realized what everyone knew the day he hired Knapp that it was a bad idea. I also think DA will make this next hire with Pryor as the focal point in his decision.
I think this next staff will be charged with getting Pryor ready as quickly as possible. I don’t think there is any question you will see Pryor play major minutes next year. Whether he will start or not is up to Palmers effectiveness. If he falters I don’t think they will hesitate in going to Pryor. They will use this offseason getting him ready for such an eventuality.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Personel wise;
1. Keep current QB’s signed.
2. Draft best pass rushing DE on the board.
3. Draft TRENCHMEN on both sides of the ball.
Build the trenches….Build the GD trenches
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I agree with you but something’s got to be done about that secondary.
Still, that OL needs fortifying.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
DA fired knapp? Damn that’s cold. Maybe DA grew a pair during this horrid season.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Yes we do. He’s been around Tarver at SF. He’s been around Mark Davis. Dallas fits the bill also because Rob Ryan was his DC when he was here in Oak. But that might be in our favor as he might feel like Ryan’s defense got him canned in Oak.
He’s worked with all the front office people and equipment staff that’s been here a while also. I hope he chooses to come here and coach his neighbor from down the street (Palmer).
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Cork just said the chances of Turner coming back here is ZERO. I concur. He hated it here. Nobody goes back to work at a place they hated. Its human nature.
Move on…
January 1st, 2013 at 3:16 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
It is kind of logical that Sanders gets the job.
He would be cheap and he would fit with Palmer.
Also, Sanders has a playbook about the size of Hue’s ego.
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I was hoping DA was going to make him OCO last year.
Would be OK with him as OCO this year. He has a history with all of our players, and understands them.
Not sure I want him calling plays, but was the first to say he would be a logical extension.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Long time reader, first time poster,
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I could swear I’ve seen you post before. I’ll have to back and check cuz I been reading here for ten or eleven years now and I know I’ve seen you post before.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t think that Ryan quit. The Jets went out of their way to say he was staying.
I’m suprised that ESPN is saying that Reid may go to the Cards.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
JUST MY OPINION,WITH A NEW OC,KEEP CP3 AND TP6 AT 1 & 2 RESPECTIVLY FOR NEXT SEASON.2014,LET PALMER WALK OR WHATEVER FOR $$ REASONS.HAND THE OFFENSE TO PRYOR.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t know how a grizzled Norv Turner could work for a guy half his age with Tits?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:18 pm
What’s obvious is that DA knew a lot more than we gave him credit for. Many here whined and biched for months about putting Pryor in.
HAD DA DONE THAT, PRYOR JUST MIGHT HAVE LOST ALL CONFIDENCE, considering even he stated he wasn’t ready at that time.
So many here are sheep, and just go along with whatever someone else comes up with.
LOOK AT HOW ONE PERSON COMMENTS NORV WOULD BE A GOOD OC HERE, and some of you sheep go along, because you were TOLD TO.
Some of you need to form your own opinions, instead of latching onto someone elses.
I have to go Gold Bond my buttcheeks again. BBIAM.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Not sure “cork” is a reliable source for intel however, to each his own….lol
January 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t know how a grizzled Norv Turner could work for a guy half his age with Tits?
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Another one sentence say nothing head up ass, look at me, attention whore comment from Kell the Snitch.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Long time reader, first time poster,
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My bad.
I meant “long time reader, first time thinking”
January 1st, 2013 at 3:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t know how a grizzled Norv Turner could work for a guy half his age with Tits?
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Another one sentence say nothing head up ass, look at me, attention whore comment from Kell the Snitch.
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Geez, you hate me don’t you?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:23 pm
This place is worse then politics. Nobody hates TP. Many people don’t think he has what it takes to be a starter. That is not hating.
The only haters are those that are always accusing others of hate just like in the real world
January 1st, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Seattle Seahawks Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
Russell Wilson 18 34 153 52.9 4.5 3 14 1 1 62.5
Oakland Raiders CompAtt Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
Terrelle Pryor 13 28 150 46.4 5.4 0 0 2 1 72.0
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Just saying….
January 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:16 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
It is kind of logical that Sanders gets the job.
He would be cheap and he would fit with Palmer.
Also, Sanders has a playbook about the size of Hue’s ego.
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I was hoping DA was going to make him OCO last year.
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Yeah, I was hoping that too Thec.
There I was last year,feeling good that we finally had a GM and a new head coach with a good defensive record in Denver, and then he goes and hires Knapp who drove me crazy the first time he was here.
And in that previous time he was here- Knapp’s play calling was so bad that he was replaced by Cable who is a good OL coach but no OC.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
Everything that I have read in regards to Reid to the Cardinals circles around one players — Kevin Kolb.
The Arizona papers as well as ESPN and others have reported the Cardinals owner does not want to give up on Kolb and he feels Reid is the only one that can resurrect him.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:25 pm
The Denise apologists say Hue never beat winning teams…Dungver beat 2 teams with .records above .500 this year.
Just saying….
January 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Fired HC take underling jobs all the time.
Just ask Wade Phillips
January 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Stanford Baby! Go Stanford. Alma Mater of the great Jim Plunkett.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I’m against affirmative action but why are Wisenhunt & Reid essentially securing jobs but Lovie may not get one…Of course, I would take him over Denise.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
1183.Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Yes we do. He’s been around Tarver at SF. He’s been around Mark Davis. Dallas fits the bill also because Rob Ryan was his DC when he was here in Oak. But that might be in our favor as he might feel like Ryan’s defense got him canned in Oak.
He’s worked with all the front office people and equipment staff that’s been here a while also. I hope he chooses to come here and coach his neighbor from down the street (Palmer).
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Cork just said the chances of Turner coming back here is ZERO. I concur. He hated it here. Nobody goes back to work at a place they hated. Its human nature.
Move on…
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I’m pretty sure Norv is aware that Al Davis passed away and that things are a little different in Oakland now…… Because Cork said so? LMFAO!!
January 1st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Plunketthead Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Fired HC take underling jobs all the time.
Just ask Wade Phillips
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Hue Jax or Tom Cable. Callahan too.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
I said that all to say this, the Oakland Raiders have to do whatever it takes to step into the next era of offensive football. To bury their heads in the sand would be foolish. Mr Davis blessed them with a potential phenom. To ignore it would be embicilic you have in your possesion what everyone is trying to get and wave of the future prospect with great leadership quailities as I have been saying since the day we drafted him and before.
Get him ready and use him to your advantage……anything else would be derelict.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Norv Turner is a Martinez native. He’s a California guy.
Doubt he wants to move to another state after in CA for so long, but, who knows.
Norv as Raiders’ OC would be interesting.
DA will probably dig into his rolodex and see another colleague he can dig up. The NFL runs under the ‘good ole boy’ network, friends hiring friends.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Jack del Rio
Old man Plunkett looked dam good for 65 years old
January 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Didn’t Cork say Knapp was here to stay? I think DA said that too. And Reggie. But maybe Mark sent out the ultimatum. The wheels are turning in Raider land. Pass the kook aide please.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
I think the gripe fans have with Hubris and DA is both didn’t get to the playoffs.
Denver may have beat up on .500 teams this season, but, they got into the postseason party.
Had Hubris done that, he’d still be calling the shots in Oakland.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
From Russell Wilson’s 1st start…
The poor display by Sweezy and his line mates had a knock-on effect on rookie starter Russell Wilson (-3.1), who looked uncomfortable in the pocket from extremely early in the game. Pressured on almost half of his 43 dropbacks, Wilson looked to move out of the pocket too early and was himself responsible for being hit twice and pressured twice. If Seahawks fans are looking for a positive then it would be that, in spite of his struggles, Wilson had their team in position to win the game late but his receivers couldn’t finish a pair of plays in the Cardinals’ end zone.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm
1188.KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I don’t know how a grizzled Norv Turner could work for a guy half his age with Tits?
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Thats’ the beauty of the Raiders job. The New OC will have total control of the offense. If Knapp had full autonomy what you think kind of respect Turner will command? New OC has to bring in a line coach with him also.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Plunketthead Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Jack del Rio
Old man Plunkett looked dam good for 65 years old
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Hasn’t Plunkett had like 15 shoulder operations?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I love the speculation posts especially from posters who we never heard of ..
January 1st, 2013 at 3:35 pm
One name that hasn’t been brought up is Patriots linebacker coach Pepper Johnson.
He’d make an interesting choice for DC.
Al Davis was going to interview Pep along with Rob Ryan, but, Ryan got the gig and Pep was never interviewed.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
There’s some major tendencies of TP that I cannot believe the SD eyes in the sky didn’t figure out right away… every time he was in shotgun, all they had to do was jump the route of the receiver he was staring at for pick-6 because thats who he threw to EVERY TIME. I guess thats why SD isn’t very good either. Somebody needs to point this out to TP before he starts another game… the DCs have to be salivating otherwise.
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That’s what coaches are for and that’s what great coaches do. Whatever TP needs to do getting better I’m sure he and his coaches can figure that out. The major issue was to stop ignoring his talent and the advantage he gives us.It was his 1st start ………..he was bound to show a ton of flaws but I guess some don’t want to afford him that exposure, and opportunity to get better.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
I think the gripe fans have with Hubris and DA is both didn’t get to the playoffs.
Denver may have beat up on .500 teams this season, but, they got into the postseason party.
Had Hubris done that, he’d still be calling the shots in Oakland.
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But the Denise apologists always used that against Hue that he didn’t beat “anybody”…I know Dungver got into the playoffs but they also got beat by Atlanta, NE, & Houston..Those 3 teams won at least 12 games & they lost all 3.
Denver beat up on the AFC West (6 wins), then another 5 came from non-winning teams. Is anybody using that against them? Right now they are the favorite to win the AFC. I’m obviously hoping they get knocked off at home.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Wow, I was going through old text messages I sent to friends and it got posted here on this board.
I’m still getting used to this Android phone.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:35 pm
One name that hasn’t been brought up is Patriots linebacker coach Pepper Johnson.
He’d make an interesting choice for DC.
Al Davis was going to interview Pep along with Rob Ryan, but, Ryan got the gig and Pep was never interviewed.
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Interesting candidate, but we’ve already got our DC.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RaiderDuck
Haha, it was an old message I sent to a friend of mine before Tarver was hired.
This Android phone has a mind of its own.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
There’s some major tendencies of TP that I cannot believe the SD eyes in the sky didn’t figure out right away… every time he was in shotgun, all they had to do was jump the route of the receiver he was staring at for pick-6 because thats who he threw to EVERY TIME. I guess thats why SD isn’t very good either. Somebody needs to point this out to TP before he starts another game… the DCs have to be salivating otherwise.
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Since Norv Turner is leaving, maybe they could hire your dumbass?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:41 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me if DA went with another young coach as OC. Tarver is a very young dude, as is DA.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:41 pm
I’m pretty sure Norv is aware that Al Davis passed away and that things are a little different in Oakland now…… Because Cork said so? LMFAO!!
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Have it your way.
Explain why anybody would want Norv in the first place? His offenses have been underachieving for a decade.
Is it because he’s the only coach you have heard of that might be available?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:44 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Thec Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Per the Associated Press, Turner told New York reporters on Thursday that he would be willing to become an coordinator again, in “a place where you have an opportunity to win and be in a situation that there are coaches I’ve worked with and been around.”
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Yes we do. He’s been around Tarver at SF. He’s been around Mark Davis. Dallas fits the bill also because Rob Ryan was his DC when he was here in Oak. But that might be in our favor as he might feel like Ryan’s defense got him canned in Oak.
He’s worked with all the front office people and equipment staff that’s been here a while also. I hope he chooses to come here and coach his neighbor from down the street (Palmer).
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Norv certainly knows his way around the Bay Area and many people in it.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Here’s a nice hit.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/jadeveon-clowney-makes-jaw-dropping-play-south-carolina-220522701–ncaaf.html
January 1st, 2013 at 3:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
There’s some major tendencies of TP that I cannot believe the SD eyes in the sky didn’t figure out right away… every time he was in shotgun, all they had to do was jump the route of the receiver he was staring at for pick-6 because thats who he threw to EVERY TIME. I guess thats why SD isn’t very good either. Somebody needs to point this out to TP before he starts another game… the DCs have to be salivating otherwise.
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Since Norv Turner is leaving, maybe they could hire your dumbass?
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Explain what I said that isn’t true! Nearly every time he was in the shotgun he threw to the primary receiver with a quick pass.
You don’t think DCs will pick this up?
Its a pick-six waiting to happen!
January 1st, 2013 at 3:47 pm
PPF seems to agree with me about not getting out of bounds before half and throwing behind the receiver on slants…
OK, let’s spare the unnecessary sadism of making you read 500 words more than necessary if this is the only reason you showed up. Terrelle Pryor (-0.9) was the veritable curates egg and while that may be slightly unfair, you got the impression the Chargers were unduly hindered by the lack of representative game film.
Let’s start with the running. After you get over the fact that his version of the read-option looks like he’s molesting the runner and he’s about as likely to hand it off to anyone else as Peyton Manning is to try a left-handed pass, he looked genuinely elusive. The nine second scramble that resulted in him reversing field twice always had purpose and almost came off as one of the plays of the season. However, the fumble was terrible and his slipping in bounds at the end of the half (and hence allowing the clock to run out) in many ways, more so.
When it came to passing, there was larger number of lob passes than expected, although they almost always found their target and it was the passes he really drove where he encountered more problems. Three times balls went behind receivers and although they may have also been drops, it didn’t excuse the throws.
The good news is Russell Wilson’s first game was a lot worse than this, but if he wants to achieve those heights he’ll also need to display that player’s lust for improvement. He showed enough to say “I belong” but now comes the hard part.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Our new OC will likely come from either NO,ATL,or DEN.,all places where DA has history.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Explain what I said that isn’t true! Nearly every time he was in the shotgun he threw to the primary receiver with a quick pass.
You don’t think DCs will pick this up?
Its a pick-six waiting to happen!
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Haters are going to hate, period!
January 1st, 2013 at 3:49 pm
JR
Im not sure
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Untill very recently rookie QB’s sat for a few years before starting. With that in mind, TP gets another year or two under the same system. TP is doing fantastic and he really likes CP to the point of wanting to impress him and not wanting CP to be disappointed in him.
CP must be a great teacher/teammate and will probably make a good coach
January 1st, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Some of you are in such a rush to point out every little flaw TP has yet ignore all the positives. That is what starts arguments. Of course the kid is not a polished starter who in their right mind would expect such a thing?
What I wanted the coaching staff to see is what I think they (DA) saw he was a much more prepared and competitive QB than they and most people expected. I think most people expected a complete faceplant and when it didn’t happen they changed stance and said see he’s NOT POLISHED………….ya’ think!
Look I saw ENORMOUS potential and I think DA and the rest of those that matter saw the same thing. Thus Knapp’s outster and the next OC will be able to utilize all TP’s strengths to allow him to get the best out what he can do NOW and develop the rest.
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Do you think DA gutted his own staff?
January 1st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Some of you are in such a rush to point out every little flaw TP
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Nothing better to do.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:02 pm
I am surprised that some of the know-it-alls on here aren’t being considered for OC.
I guess DA is just plain stupid. McKenzie too.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Michigan and Nebraska lose….good start to the year!
January 1st, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Twocents Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:02 pm
I am surprised that some of the know-it-alls on here aren’t being considered for OC.
I guess DA is just plain stupid. McKenzie too.
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ROFLMAO…. Some of these posters work for the blog, some work for the raiders org i would imagine.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Maybe Wiznewski comes back at Oline Coach, maybe even Hue Jackson comes back as play caller?
Lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Some of you are in such a rush to point out every little flaw TP has yet ignore all the positives.
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Staring down and throwing to the primary receiver out of the shotgun is not a “little” thing.
It is something that mediocre college QBs do.
It is something he has to correct now that he is in the NFL.
And I have said he has done enough good things to become the Raiders solid number 2 QB. Most of us have said this.
That we aren’t putting cute little cheerleader outfits on and shaking our pom-poms yelling “GO PRYOR” like a 7 year old is something you’re is just going to have to get used to.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:05 pm
TP did an admirable job and the only flaw I saw were a couple of bad passes.
BFD?
The guy works hard and should be go into camp as the #2, and continue to follow Palmer around and absorb everything that Palmer has to teach him.
The kid ia an intriging prospect and has a real chance to make it to an elite level period.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Palmer is simply an arm, can’t even roll out of the pocket, old and slow and making the offense too one dimensional to give the run game a chance. I see no evidence that Pryor would throw more picks then Palmer, trade the old man. If you insist on keeping him pulling out the wildcat wih Pryor regularly should help keep defenses on their toes and open the run.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Happy new year to all!
Greg Knapp-buh bye
January 1st, 2013 at 4:11 pm
I reckon there will be a lot of name changes around here.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Gdog Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Some of you are in such a rush to point out every little flaw TP has yet ignore all the positives.
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Staring down and throwing to the primary receiver out of the shotgun is not a “little” thing.
It is something that mediocre college QBs do.
It is something he has to correct now that he is in the NFL.
And I have said he has done enough good things to become the Raiders solid number 2 QB. Most of us have said this.
That we aren’t putting cute little cheerleader outfits on and shaking our pom-poms yelling “GO PRYOR” like a 7 year old is something you’re is just going to have to get used to.
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Listen man IT was his 1st start buffoon……….what about that don’t you understand?
Every player in the history of this league had to GET BETTER so does he. He played one of the better defenses in the league and scored 3TD’s and was picked ONCE……….do you think they helped him score?
He did it against their will, they blitzed the hell out of Pryor and didn’t get one sack. He drove downfield against them for 2 scores something that hasn’t been done by a Raiders QB in 3 weeks.
Doies he have work to do? sure they all do including Palmer. So to point out everything he did wrong without taking into consideration the odds against him doing anything worth talking about. Seems narrow minded and negative. He will work on all of it. He has a tremendous work ethic and he will get TONS BETTER something we all should be glad about.
But I guess that’s way too much to ask for you……now move on!
January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm
It is often said the BU QB is the most popular player on the team.It is safe to say that for many that will be the case on here for the next 18 months.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm
It is often said the BU QB is the most popular player on the team.It is safe to say that for many that will be the case on here for the next 18 months.
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Kick rocks. Lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:11 pm
I reckon there will be a lot of name changes around here.
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Yeah. Lets start with the O. Change it to the Al Davis Memorial Coliseum.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Players that will be cut: McClain, Kelly, DHB; either because of play, contract, or both; oops forgot to add Brisiel.
We might find a trade partner for a couple of them, but they would still need to restructure.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Go back to Raider Football, not that sideways schit.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Man these guys are crazy, Greg Knapp would mess up a wet dream. Pryor went into that game with very littl help from his own coach. he had to get that from the starting QB and yet he still performed under the most trying circumstances and everyone wants to nitpik the hell out of the kid………..it’s ridiculous!
January 1st, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Man these guys are crazy, Greg Knapp would mess up a wet dream. Pryor went into that game with very littl help from his own coach. he had to get that from the starting QB and yet he still performed under the most trying circumstances and everyone wants to nitpik the hell out of the kid………..it’s ridiculous!
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Zero help
January 1st, 2013 at 4:21 pm
I say Terrelle Pryor can go 4-12 just as well as Palmer can, for a lot less money.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:13 pm
It is often said the BU QB is the most popular player on the team.It is safe to say that for many that will be the case on here for the next 18 months.
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That’s a fact.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
News out of Buffalo is Hue Jackson is being considered for an interview for the head coaching gig.
Imagine if Hubris did get the job.
What would he give the Raiders for Carson Palmer? Doubt Hubris would roll with noodle-arm Ryan Fitzpatrick to go along with exciting CJ Spiller.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Hey Tj12. Ever remember a time Lester Hayes got beat on a pass play at the goal line and grabbed the receiver by the shoulder pads and plowed him right into the goal post? Who was the receiver? I believe Lester got ejected but the play was something.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Yeah. Lets start with the O. Change it to the Al Davis Memorial Coliseum.
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Might as well since he ruined the place with that ridiculous Mt. Davis.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:25 pm
I think you keep Palmer and Pryor then try and pick up a QB late in the draft.
I think you can get a guy like Landry Jones in the 4th/5th round, or maybe even a guy like Collin Klein or Matt Scott as a 7th/UDFA.
All other picks are defense/OL period.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:25 pm
I am not so sure that we cut Kelly. He isn’t terrible, just overpaid. May have to keep him for one more year.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Twocents Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:25 pm
I am not so sure that we cut Kelly. He isn’t terrible, just overpaid. May have to keep him for one more year.
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No, he’s terrible. Get him out of here. Bilukidi wouldn’t be any worse, and is a whole lot cheaper.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:26 pm
kelly needs to stay…
January 1st, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
News out of Buffalo is Hue Jackson is being considered for an interview for the head coaching gig.
Imagine if Hubris did get the job.
What would he give the Raiders for Carson Palmer? Doubt Hubris would roll with noodle-arm Ryan Fitzpatrick to go along with exciting CJ Spiller.
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First question: Is this a legit interview, or a Rooney Rule interview?
January 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Man these guys are crazy, Greg Knapp would mess up a wet dream.
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You have Greg Knapp in your wet dreams?
You have wet dreams?
Just kidding Priest.
Never cared for ZBS but Knapp’s system actually seemed pretty solid but his actual play calling was both crazy and predictable.
I can’t think of any QB who would welcome it.
The proof of that was that when Knapp let Palmer call the plays, the offense moved a lot better.
The many should have set his ego aside and let either Palmer call the plays or Sanders from the box.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:26 pm
kelly needs to stay…
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For what??? Offsides penalties?
January 1st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RaiderDuck
More likely Rooney.
The Bills’ CEO is said to ‘love’ Ken Wisenhunt for the gig.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:29 pm
So Seymour is gone, Kelly is gone and Bryant is a free agent. That leaves Bilukidi as our lone DT.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Hue will be this year’s Rooney interview.
No team is going to hire him…..
January 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Stanford D gonna win this.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
Good point.
The plays Palmer called in the no-huddle were fed to him by Knapp — a set of four various media outlets and Palmer himself confirmed — and Palmer called and audibled from what he saw as soon as he went under center.
When it was Knapp picking the plays, the offense stumbled (thanks in large part to players’ inability to execute — not going to absolve them).
January 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Crap. Spoke to damn soon.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
better bilukudis eight retreat…
January 1st, 2013 at 4:31 pm
He did it against their will, they blitzed the hell out of Pryor and didn’t get one sack. He drove downfield against them for 2 scores something that hasn’t been done by a Raiders QB in 3 weeks.
Doies he have work to do? sure they all do including Palmer. So to point out everything he did wrong without taking into consideration the odds against him doing anything worth talking about. Seems narrow minded and negative. He will work on all of it. He has a tremendous work ethic and he will get TONS BETTER something we all should be glad about.
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You make him sound like the next Joe Montana. He had ONE nice drive in the first half. I was impressed. He didn’t do much of anything the rest of the game and one of his TDs was after a blocked punt… what was it.. a whopping ten yard drive?
His boneheaded mistake not getting out of bounds before the half makes me wonder about his IQ. HS QBs should have better time awareness. It may have cost us 3 points (a tie game?)
Can he get better? Sure! I hope so! But I don’t understand all this mindless Pryor cheerleading unless you have a different agenda. I suspect this is true.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Hue will be this year’s Rooney interview.
No team is going to hire him…..
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No doubt every GM that interviews him will say the name “Mike Silver” at least once. Wonder if he’ll cop to it or deny it.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:05 pm
TP did an admirable job and the only flaw I saw were a couple of bad passes.
BFD?
The guy works hard and should be go into camp as the #2, and continue to follow Palmer around and absorb everything that Palmer has to teach him.
The kid ia an intriging prospect and has a real chance to make it to an elite level period.
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I wonder how many other teams without QB’s would love to have him? We have him and yet fans can’t find anything positive to say other than to point out every negative possible and make up a bunch of other crap that isn’t close to the truth.
If KC had Pryor I would be hating life…
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:35 pm
better than bilukidis eight yard retreat…
January 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm
I don’t recall that play, Rabbit. Would love to see it though.
You have a you tube link?
January 1st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
I wonder how many other teams without QB’s would love to have Pryor
I think we have our answer….every team passed him up at least twice…some three times…..he wasnt expected to go until the 4th round the earliest but raiders didnt have a 4th so they used their 3rd
January 1st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Comon D.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
No, you certainly can’t set player execution aside and Palmer was obviously using Knapp’s system–what else could he use?
An offensive coordinator letting someone else-maybe from the box-call the plays has been done before.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:38 pm
QB is not an issue for next season period.
We are set at that position exclamation point!
January 1st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm
I don’t recall that play, Rabbit. Would love to see it though.
You have a you tube link?
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No. It was a long time ago but saw it on tv. It was either against the steelers or it was Steve Largent. Never seen anything like it.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Might wanna take a look at Stanford’s Dt Josh Muaro or that linebacker Skov….No chat today?
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:36 pm
I don’t recall that play, Rabbit. Would love to see it though.
You have a you tube link?
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No. It was a long time ago but saw it on tv. It was either against the steelers or it was Steve Largent. Never seen anything like it.
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Lester is my all time Favorite Raider. Grew up idolizing “The Judge”, but dont remember that play. I was only a teenager at the time though.
One play that will always stick out in my mind was int he 83′ championship game vs. Seattle when Otis Mckenney deliberately nailed the Seattle punter and got a PF. Set the tone for that game.
Lester got 2 picks, although one was called back on a bogus penalty.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jack Rabbit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252
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Don’t know, maybe someone else does..Lester did a lot of crazy stuff like gouge a guys eyes in font of the ref. That was Webster Slaughter…
January 1st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jack Rabbit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252
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Don’t know, maybe someone else does..Lester did a lot of crazy stuff like gouge a guys eyes in font of the ref. That was Webster Slaughter…
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Ahem. He didn’t “gouge” anything. He merely noticed Mr. Slaughter’s eyebrows had become dusty, and extended him the kindness of dusting them.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jack Rabbit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252
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Don’t know, maybe someone else does..Lester did a lot of crazy stuff like gouge a guys eyes in font of the ref. That was Webster Slaughter…
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If he literally gouged a guys eyes out it would have to be a penalty.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
“No doubt every GM that interviews him will say the name “Mike Silver” at least once. Wonder if he’ll cop to it or deny it.”
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I don’t have to wonder at all.
Hue is all about BS, self-promotion and back-stabbing.
It’s all he has. And the league is on to him. It’s why he’s finished as anything but an assistant position coach. For his old buddy Marvin Lewis.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jack Rabbit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252
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Don’t know, maybe someone else does..Lester did a lot of crazy stuff like gouge a guys eyes in font of the ref. That was Webster Slaughter…
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If he literally gouged a guys eyes out it would have to be a penalty.
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I’m surprised you don’t remember this, he got a personal foul. It was the famous call by the ref. “He was giving him the business” I forget the ref but he was famous for that call.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:56 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jack Rabbit Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Tj12. See post 1252
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Don’t know, maybe someone else does..Lester did a lot of crazy stuff like gouge a guys eyes in font of the ref. That was Webster Slaughter…
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If he literally gouged a guys eyes out it would have to be a penalty.
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LMFAO!
Not necessarily.
There is a great video on youtube-can’t remember the year-showing Phil Villiapano literally picking a guy up about five feet and slamming him into the ground with an official standing a couple of feet away just watching and then telling them to move on.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:58 pm
I’ll find that play of Lester ramming that receiver into the goal post.
January 1st, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Oh yeah! the refs name was Ben Drieth who made that call.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:00 pm
There is a great video on youtube-can’t remember the year-showing Phil Villiapano literally picking a guy up about five feet and slamming him into the ground with an official standing a couple of feet away just watching and then telling them to move on.
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that was O J Simpson…
January 1st, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Oh yeah! the refs name was Ben Drieth who made that call.
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How the heck do u remember that? Lol.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Let me be the first to interject some politics in this new year.
Our Lord was on NPR talking about the new government program, “Shared Sacrifice.”
Then he was off to Kailua on a 4 million dollar vacation on the taxpayers dime.
The U.S. presidency cost the taxpayer about 1.4 billion dollars a year.
The “presidential perks” cost taxpayers more than every European royal house combined.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Here’s Villiapano having some fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJEi2Vi5P5v
January 1st, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Nice.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Shaw will take Stanford to a national title game soon. Book it.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Stanford has done it, it’s OVA!! folks
David Shaw should be one of the hottest coaches in football. Why he took that extention made me mad I think he has tremendous potential to be a HOF type coach. He is much better than his dad who was an outstanding DC. I learned a lot listening to his father about projecting young players into the NFL.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJEi2Vi5P5v
January 1st, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Priesttj12
Shaw was quoted as saying he wants a legacy at Stanford much bigger than Jim Harbaugh or Bill Walsh.
That could play into Shaw signing that long-term extension.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Maybe Villiapano’s been banned on youtube.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:22 pm
POST-1288,GREAT MEMORY,FUNNY AS HELL.NOT SO SURE THAT WAS A RAIDER GAME THOUGH.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Englander-try Villipianno
January 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Explain what I said that isn’t true! Nearly every time he was in the shotgun he threw to the primary receiver with a quick pass.
You don’t think DCs will pick this up?
Its a pick-six waiting to happen!
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Haters are going to hate, period!
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And DBs are going salivate. Then get picks. Period.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Yeah I know Jack, it still made me mad, I would LOVE to have him as our HC he is just getting started he will get better in the coming years.
What a coach…
January 1st, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Priesttj12
He is going to be an outstanding NFL coach when he decides to make the leap.
He would be a stabilizing and polarizing presence on the sideline in Oakland.
Don’t know if that will ever happen though.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Englander-try Villipianno
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Nope, that’s the right spelling and that’s the right code for the video.
It works when you just type it into the address box on your computer but for some reason it won’t work on this blog.
No doubt some one’s going to come along and say that it’s Palmer’s fault.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Watching the Villapiano youtube reel and hearing the great Bill King reminds me what a travesty it is that Bill isn’t in any HOF.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Villapiano is the correct spelling
January 1st, 2013 at 5:35 pm
No doubt some one’s going to come along and say that it’s Palmer’s fault.
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Or DA’s.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:41 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Watching the Villapiano youtube reel and hearing the great Bill King reminds me what a travesty it is that Bill isn’t in any HOF.
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True that.
Or how about Snake, Branch, Plunkett- who won two superbowls, and Flores.
Once the Raiders get their own stadium they should build their own hall although that will happen about the time I win the lottery or drive away from Vegas with more money than when I arrived.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:43 pm
THAT IS A CRIME LEFTY.BILL KING WAS A MASTER AT HIS CRAFT.NFL,NBA,MLB,HE WAS ONE OF THE GREATS.THROUGH THE 70′S WITH THE RAIDERS AND WARRIOR’S..IT JUST DONT GET ANY BETTER..
January 1st, 2013 at 5:43 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/reports-andy-reid-could-arizona-cardinals-head-coach-224644721–nfl.html
January 1st, 2013 at 5:45 pm
DA fires knapp and others. If anyone watched the preseason closely, you have to wonder why he took this long to do it. Better late than never.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Greatest football play by play guy of all time was Bill King.
Greatest baseball? That’s Lon Simmons. IMO.
Now when the A’s had both King and Simmons………..Holy Toledo!
January 1st, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Bill is a finalist for the baseball HOF this year I believe.Hope someone finally has the sense to admit him.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Bjoern Werner needs to show Reggie why he should be the 3rd overall pick tonite. I feel he will be our pick and I want to see why he should be. He is IMO the best edge rusher because he can play in the base defense he’s not a specialist. he may be better than Aldon Smith for the Niners. However I want to see the guy on the opposite side helps him more than we know.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:48 pm
THE 3 GREATEST VOICES EVER,JOHN FACENDA,BILL KING,HARRY KALAS..
January 1st, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 4:38 pm
QB is not an issue for next season period.
We are set at that position exclamation point!
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I’d like to think so, but it’s ALL predicated on Palmer’s willingness to at least restructure, if not just take a flat out reduction in his overall contract through 2014.
I’m firmly in the camp that Palmer is the only option on the roster right now for 2013. I also think he’s a top 10 overall QB in this league when you take into account his ability to run an entire offense, make all the reads, and is also one helluva passer based on his 4K yard season.
That said, he’s not worth $17M against the cap. The only QB in the league worth more than $15M against the cap is Peyton. The next tier: the Brady, Brees, Rodgers crew are worth about $15M and it tapers down from there. Palmer is in the Stafford, Ryan, Eli valuation which should go for about $10-12M.
Let’s assume that Palmer is your typically greedy, me first person that a preponderance of the pro athletes are these days. He knows he’s not likely to see his $13M payday next year and definitely not his $15M in 2014. If he doesn’t budge and forces the Raiders to cut him, then he fetches a deal on the open market for probably 3 years, $35M, but probably only $10-12M of that guaranteed with a signing bonus, maybe a $3M 2013 salary, $6M in 2014, and a balloon $10+M in 2015 that everyone knows he’ll never see. In that case, he’d walk away with another $13ish mil in 2013 and then be facing a cap discussion again in 2014. That would lead to essentially a series of one year deals or the rest of his career, diminishing compensation, and no stability.
Now I don’t think this is what Palmer is about. He already showed that money isn’t his guiding principle when he sat out on a very lucrative deal with the Bengals. He is much more adamant about the right situation for him and a place where he feels valued. If he believes in Allen and Reggie and likes where the Raiders are going, he could reasonably accept a restructure with an overall reduction, but one he’s more likely to see over two years.
Let’s say that he’s willing to turn the $28M that he won’t see over two years into say $18M that he will see. That’s win-win for him and the team. He can take $12M up front in bonus, and then a low $3M per year for 2013 and 2014. That would reduce his cap hit to $12.8M for the next two years, factoring in his previous bonus that the team can’t dodge. Or he could be more team friendly and make it a 3 year deal with say a $10M salaray that he knows he won’t see in 2015. That moves $2M from each of the next two seasons’ cap hit out to a $4M deferred cap ding in 2015 and it let’s him keep face by keeping his entire $28M contract.
Everyone wins in that deal in that they get CP3 at $10.8M for the next two seasons, saving the team $7M and $9M against the two years’ caps respectively. He gets a vote of security to stay with the team through 2014 (where it’s cost more to cut him than keep him) and everyone shows that they are committed to building a winner over the course of the next couple of seasons.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:49 pm
TELL IT GOODBY..
January 1st, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Btch never fired a gun in her life,she’ll hit ya 6 times in the ass before you can get out the window.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Englander,I’m over all the snubs the Raider players have gotten.Flores too.It just shows what a joke and how political the Pro Football HOF is.But King has gotten screwed by all of them.If he had announced in a bigger market or across the bay he’d have gotten his recognition long ago.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:52 pm
SUP BLOG GOOBS
Been nursing some sore nads last couple of weeks. Got into a brouhaha with a pit bull. I had misted my pubes with some potent gel and the pit bull must of like the smell of the meat. You get the rest of the story.
But the Dawg will be back with some new and improved material. Especially after my nads have been surgically ‘enhanced’.
WHUT. HOLLA YAWL.
January 1st, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Anybody know who’s on the want list for OC?
January 1st, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Just read Cork’s chat from today. Damn depressing stuff. Sounds like no big time OC like Norv will be brought in. DA and McKenzie locks to stick. Branch will be kept at 5x MM34’s salary and MM34 will say goodbye in free agency even though it’s quite clear that MM is the superior player. Cork dissing Hue while defending Knapp. Taiwan Jones will never get a fair shot in Oakland.
The only hope is the fact that Steve is dead wrong more often than not on his predictions. But look out, folks, if this is where we’re headed. Sounds like this thing could get much, much worse with the current clown posse running the show in Raiderland. Prepare for another 5 wins or less season and excuses galore next offseason with a much weaker field of available head coaches.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Car Wash Dude Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Anybody know who’s on the want list for OC?
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KoolKell is at the top of my preliminary list
January 1st, 2013 at 6:02 pm
We’ll never get better till Gruden comes back.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Oh, and Brisiel might be back as well. Forgot that tidbit.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Car Wash Dude Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Anybody know who’s on the want list for OC?
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KoolKell is at the top of my preliminary list
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Knapps canning isn’t mentioned very much on the news. I’ll let DA know you want the OC job. He drives his truck thru the car wash from time to time after he goes 4 wheeling in the mud. Mark is usually behind him. I’ll let him know too.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Oh, and Steve’s already making excuses for 2013 as well. Cited the “very, very tough schedule” a couple of times without any prompting.
Give me a break.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:16 pm
“very, very tough…” lmao
January 1st, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Chris, don’t believe anything Cork says. He is not a fan. He claims to be objective but he has friends in the business and that taints his opinions. It’s just a job for him and he doesn’t much like his job.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:23 pm
“Al Saunders coaching tight end David Ausberry during training camp in 2012.
Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports
Al Saunders is already on the staff and was the non-play-calling offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson in 2011. Saunders’ experience is vast, and he interviewed for Kansas City’s open offensive coordinator position last season.
Saunders was a special assistant in 2012 and spent almost all of his time with the tight ends. Brandon Myers became a very productive receiver under Saunders’ coaching. There are few coaches with as much passion for football as Saunders.
It’s worth noting that Saunders was Allen’s eyes in the coaching box and consulted him on when to throw the challenge flag. The Raiders were actually very good on coach’s challenges in 2012. Saunders would seem like a logical choice, but the Raiders may consider an external candidate and continue to give Saunders special projects.”
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It could indeed be Sanders.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:16 pm
“very, very tough…” lmao
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Oh Corks just saying that cuz he knows the condition of the HC. If Gruden were here he’d be drinking the kool aide.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:28 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:23 pm
“Al Saunders coaching tight end David Ausberry during training camp in 2012.
Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports
Al Saunders is already on the staff and was the non-play-calling offensive coordinator under Hue Jackson in 2011. Saunders’ experience is vast, and he interviewed for Kansas City’s open offensive coordinator position last season.
Saunders was a special assistant in 2012 and spent almost all of his time with the tight ends. Brandon Myers became a very productive receiver under Saunders’ coaching. There are few coaches with as much passion for football as Saunders.
It’s worth noting that Saunders was Allen’s eyes in the coaching box and consulted him on when to throw the challenge flag. The Raiders were actually very good on coach’s challenges in 2012. Saunders would seem like a logical choice, but the Raiders may consider an external candidate and continue to give Saunders special projects.”
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It could indeed be Sanders.
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If we indeed go with Saunders it just shows you how either dumb or stubborn DA truly is. We Knew immediately what Knapp was trying to do wasn’t working. In fact it took us back 2-3 years with our offensive progression. He had Saunders here the whole time. Instead he sticks with Knapp? This will prove DA is nothing but a yes boy.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:34 pm
If we indeed go with Saunders it just shows you how either dumb or stubborn DA truly is. We Knew immediately what Knapp was trying to do wasn’t working. In fact it took us back 2-3 years with our offensive progression. He had Saunders here the whole time. Instead he sticks with Knapp? This will prove DA is nothing but a yes boy.
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Well, Allen said that Sanders was considered.
I think that Allen-like most people-wanted to pick an OC who was closer to his age and one who he had actually worked with.
That’s understandable.
He still might prefer someone who he has worked with on some other team.
Fact is that a head coach should have the right to pick his own coaches although I doubt that previous head coaches did with Al.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
WOW what a hit by Clowney and fumble recovery and almost got up and ran for the touchdown, one of the can’t miss prospect of life time
January 1st, 2013 at 6:40 pm
DA is a hack.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Oh, and Steve’s already making excuses for 2013 as well. Cited the “very, very tough schedule” a couple of times without any prompting.
Give me a break.
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Don’t you know Chris, its going to take at least 5 years to fix this mess? How can you expect this new regime to fix an 8-8 team so quickly. Patience…..
January 1st, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Hi! Happy New Year. Bye
January 1st, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Twocents Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Chris, don’t believe anything Cork says. He is not a fan. He claims to be objective but he has friends in the business and that taints his opinions. It’s just a job for him and he doesn’t much like his job.
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Your dumbass fantasies, certain, about people you don’t even know. You People.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Mcfadden20
NFL teams are going to have to wait another year to get their hands on Clowney.
He’s only two years removed from high school and cannot declare early and leave the collegiate ranks to jump to the NFL.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:45 pm
i liked the way hues teams would block the free men during a fumble allowing a lone raider to pick it up…details….DA dont know sh!t…
January 1st, 2013 at 6:46 pm
smh
January 1st, 2013 at 6:47 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Mcfadden20
NFL teams are going to have to wait another year to get their hands on Clowney.
He’s only two years removed from high school and cannot declare early and leave the collegiate ranks to jump to the NFL.
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yeah i know that, i wish he was eligible for draft this year and we had the #1 pick, would have improved our pass rush by 10 times
January 1st, 2013 at 6:48 pm
If we can’t get Norv Turner in here I would like to see Reggie, DA, and Hue sit down like men for a few hours, clear up some things, swallow their pride and bring Hue back in here to run the offense.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:49 pm
That neophyte DA showed a level of ineptitude unlike any ever seen in the annuls of Raider football.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:51 pm
yeah i know that, i wish he was eligible for draft this year and we had the #1 pick, would have improved our pass rush by 10 times
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Don’t worry with DA at the helm we are assured the #1 in next year’s draft.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:52 pm
next year we will win between 8-11 games
January 1st, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Mcfadden20
It is a bit unfair for Clowney.
Imagine, he plays next year and suffers some kind of injury… it happened to one of his teammates.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Got cash on that?
January 1st, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Hue won’t be coming back here. No reason for him to. A lot of fans liked him, but he didn’t do anything very notable except get Cable smoked.
Oh, I almost forgot that oscar worthy performance in KC after the game. Run in front of the nearest camera and drop to his knees in tears over “Coach”….
Please.
January 1st, 2013 at 6:54 pm
lol…mxcuse predicting again…playoffs? go ahead…you cant make this stuff up…
January 1st, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Whoknows Says: Don’t worry with DA at the helm we are assured the #1 in next year’s draft.
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Got cash on that?
January 1st, 2013 at 6:57 pm
lmao reggie is going to be great at top 5 picks….
January 1st, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Whoknows Says: Don’t worry with DA at the helm we are assured the #1 in next year’s draft.
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Got cash on that?
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I got cash we won’t win more than 8 games
January 1st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Lefty,did you think Knapp was a good hire? (;-))
January 1st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
That wasn’t the question.You stated we’d have the #1 pick-assured.Got cash on that?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Reggie needs to get Cable back for the oline coach and Hue for the OC. Maybe Cable could bring marshawn lynch with him. Maybe DA can hire darth vader as a roving assistant.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Are you seriously telling me you have so little faith in DA you won’t take that bet?
I took it this year but I won’t be fooled again.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Lefty,did you think Knapp was a good hire? (;-))
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Yup. Made DA come to his senses.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:03 pm
I guess you are right we may play 2 win teams 3x again next year.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Are you saying you made a statement and refuse to back it up?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Who’sa dumbass? That’s what I want to know.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Oh, bye the way, You’re all idiots. You do know that, don’t you?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:07 pm
I’ll bet you $10 we get the 1st pick and $50 we don’t win more than 8 with DA.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:54 pm
lol…mxcuse predicting again…playoffs? go ahead…you cant make this stuff up…
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last year was just what ever, i predicted playoffs for no reason , just cuz that’s what fans do , they put their teams in superbowl every year, but this year I’m 100% sure Raiders will win between 8-11 games
January 1st, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Hue Jackson is gone and it’s better that way. The fact that he called Al “coach” and that he fake cried when Al died was enough to turn me away from him. Hue will never be a head coach again, nor should he.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:09 pm
This will be the 1st year I do not predict playoffs.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:07 pm
I’ll bet you $10 we get the 1st pick and $50 we don’t win more than 8 with DA.
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You near Sacramento? I’ll take that bet.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
I got $100 on the season , they will win over 8 games
January 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
as long as youre 100% sure….lol
January 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
I don’t care if we get 700,000 comments and the next post reads: Raiders/Broncos underway……..
I love the Headline of the one we have right now.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
8 games or more that is
January 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
I never stated we’d win 8 or more games,that was Mc20.I’d bet you about the 1st pick prediction,but I know you’ll have a different name by the end of next season.Kind of a waste of time for only $10.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
I’m in SD and the bet is to Lefty. I don’t like betting against my team. Never have before.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
good point….”when you dont have the raw talent…you got to start schemeing…” explains zone defense….
January 1st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
as long as youre 100% sure….lol
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yup if you seriously would have asked me without bias i would have told you Raiders would suck this year, but next year i know we will win more than 8 games for sure, that’s without bias for my team
January 1st, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Well excuse memr. deep pockets.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
I never stated we’d win 8 or more games,that was Mc20.I’d bet you about the 1st pick prediction,but I know you’ll have a different name by the end of next season.Kind of a waste of time for only $10.
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January 1st, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Pisses me off, here we are 2 days from the end of regular season and no word on any candidates to replace who we fired, yet other teams are talking about hiring/interviewing for there vacant spots, we are gonna be left with the same kind of garbage we had with knapp, cause we sit around and wait.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Hue Jackson interview in Buffalo would be straight Rooney Rule. They already have their guy they want. I’d still make the trip though. The Wings up there are much better than cheeseburgers and cole slaw.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8799106/ralph-wilson-buffalo-bills-owner-cedes-full-control-team-russ-brandon
January 1st, 2013 at 7:15 pm
All teams use zone D al the troll, the man D we used from 03-11 set a new record for futility, n you’re still on nuts off man D that constantly finished in bottom 5 or bottom 10 but ready to jump off zone d which we just employed for one year, without real talent, and without one of the main players, seymour out half season?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
I want my 10.00 dollars.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
I never stated we’d win 8 or more games,that was Mc20.I’d bet you about the 1st pick prediction,but I know you’ll have a different name by the end of next season.Kind of a waste of time for only $10
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Last two years I was HueKnows now the above. Like I said, you are right we may play 2 win teams 3x again. Sh!t maybe Pryor will come in and win a game or two with his feet. If you don’t want to take the bet like I called it why don’t you tell me how many wins we will have with DA running the show.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:17 pm
pep exactly…soon mumbles will be finished at the buffet and will make his way to the car….he might make it tomthe office next week…he has some carpet orders to invoice…
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Fucn cork and the rest of the local media waiting on the national media to get them some breaking news for them to report.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure we will keep Pryor but he raised his value to at least a 2nd rounder after the Finale.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:19 pm
mcxcuse 4-12…worst defense since pre al era….#regression
or listen to all the “defense has improved” comments…lolafter they started to man up. its too easy mcxcuse…
January 1st, 2013 at 7:20 pm
How do you guys feel about Greg Jennings? He’s a FA and a packer so you know he’s on Reggie’s radar.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:22 pm
from your hero cork above…
“There was plenty of speculation on whether defensive coordinator Jason Tarver would survive a season in which the Raiders allowed 443 points, more than last season and the third-most per game in franchise history.
The fact the Raiders held the Chiefs, Panthers and Chargers to an average of 13.7 the final three games, including a shutout of the Chiefs, no doubt helped Tarver’s cause.”
after he started playing man…lmao why do you think they activated chekwa…get a notebook son.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
Very astute post. Good to see a Raider Fan besides myself who knows what the actual car numbers are.
Reggie could always just take the 16.8 mil cap hit this year as it ranks about 10th in the league as far as QB’s go, then he is only on the hook for 3.8 mil in 2014 if he decides to cut Palmer after 2014.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Because my crystal ball doesn’t tell me such things.I just root for the TEAM.I don’t root for or against our coaches or players.I hope we win 19 games.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:24 pm
1380.mcfadden20. Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:15 pm
All teams use zone D al the troll, the man D we used from 03-11 set a new record for futility, n you’re still on nuts off man D that constantly finished in bottom 5 or bottom 10 but ready to jump off zone d which we just employed for one year, without real talent, and without one of the main players, seymour out half season?
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You guys ever saw a broad from a distance and was like damn that thing is bad ass. As you get closer you’re like man this is one nice looking broad. Then you get right up on her and she has about six or seven teeth combined and you go “WTF?”
That’s how I was up until you said Seymour.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Whatever.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:19 pm
mcxcuse 4-12…worst defense since pre al era….#regression
or listen to all the “defense has improved” comments…lolafter they started to man up. its too easy mcxcuse…
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they manned up cuz they were constantly blitzing , because they couldn’t get to the qb with natural pressure, you don’t play zone with only 4 guys covering idiot
January 1st, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Way too early to predict wins/losses for nest seasons team at his point.
let’s see who we got for an OC first, and how our draft picks pan out in training camp/preseason.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Whoknows Says:
Whatever.
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What else can you say?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:30 pm
At the end of the season the defense was playing multiple schemes.We weren’t strictly a man to man team.We weren’t strictly a zone team.That is what the better defenses do.Arguing about what scheme we played is ridiculous.We played both.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:30 pm
but that was what you wanted mctool…lol no more man blitz heavy…stfu lol…go back to predicting playoffs and swinging from knapps sack…dumbest guy in here i swear…DA has a sharpie for your notebook…
January 1st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
he manned up to save his job fool…
January 1st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Seymour is not what he used to be but still could provide better pass rush from inside than both Houston and Shaugnessy combined, but im glad we played better down the stretch without much talent, it says a lot about the coaching staff to get the most out of the guys
January 1st, 2013 at 7:32 pm
*delurks*
Evening, all.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Draft anybody. DA and his new staff can coach them up.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:34 pm
You freakin defend man D like it was the greatest thing ever, i believe man D couldn’t force 1 punt in one of the most important games of the year last year, wanna pull up the legendary stats of that man D from week 17 of last year? they couldn’t force 1 punt in a game we needed to win , is that fact or not?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Man D couldn’t force even 1 punt in a game had we won would have took us to the playoffs
January 1st, 2013 at 7:36 pm
6- 10 next season.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Whoknows Says:
Whatever.
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What else can you say?
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I can say that so far DA has shown me he has the ability to make the team regress as exemplified by the opening day debacle. I’m still not convinced that this D played that much better at the end or if it was just because we played equally inept teams.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Man D takes a DC with man balls.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Sd and Car weren’t bad teams, Den was kept in check if not for our team putting them in good situation, P Manning’s first pass would have went for int returned for TD if not for stupid penaty and stupid drop by Branch
January 1st, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:36 pm
6- 10 next season.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Your being to kind. I say an improved 4-12.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:41 pm
The Raiders reduced their penalties by 1/3 … that’s because the replacement refs did not call phantom penalties.
The Raiders would have been the #1 penaltized team if the regulars refs would have started the season.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Going back to the Jackson offense with Saunders?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Denver to there foot of the gas
The other two teams are under .500. Sd had to beat us and the chiefs twice to get 7 wins. They are a bad team.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure we will keep Pryor but he raised his value to at least a 2nd rounder after the Finale.
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Only the eyes of a Raiders fan. In the eyes of 31 other teams, here are the facts.
- None were willing to spend a 2nd two seasons back when he came with more promise than ever out of college
- He then spent a full season unable to get himself on the field for more than one, blown play. And that with Hue and his crazy play calling at the helm.
- Lots of tape of him looking lost and clueless in the preseason, along with one decent series against 3rd round scrubs. QBs that get cut in camp have looked better in preseasons.
- Another 14 games of hearing the same as everyone else about not being ready, not being able to learn the playbook, not being able to beat out Leinhart.
- One start where he does some good things, a lot of bad things, and shows everyone that he lacks an NFL arm and that’s he’s not the explosive runner that RGIII is.
I’m thinking the best offer right now might be a conditional 4th that might have another future 3rd or 4th if he starts X number of games.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Sd and Car weren’t bad teams, Den was kept in check if not for our team putting them in good situation, P Manning’s first pass would have went for int returned for TD if not for stupid penaty and stupid drop by Branch
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Sd and Car are bad teams. They are below avg offenses. Yes, we did slightly improve at the end of the year. However, we were awful just awful for 80% of the year. I understand why Tarver kept his job, since we do lack talent (however no excuse to have the worst Raider defense ever!), but I won’t be surprised if we don’t see major improvements next season.
Remember…I will state once again…we were the worst defense since 61′. You can’t spin a positive on that. We were awful.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Raideralex99 Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:41 pm
The Raiders reduced their penalties by 1/3 … that’s because the replacement refs did not call phantom penalties.
The Raiders would have been the #1 penaltized team if the regulars refs would have started the season.
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Excellent point. This doesn’t get enough attention. It’s almost statistically impossible to have the number of penalties we have in the last 20 years without their being a biased out there.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
DA for penalty coach. Hire a real head coach.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:48 pm
lmao…penalty coach! dont forget…huddle command.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure we will keep Pryor but he raised his value to at least a 2nd rounder after the Finale.
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Only the eyes of a Raiders fan. In the eyes of 31 other teams, here are the facts.
- None were willing to spend a 2nd two seasons back when he came with more promise than ever out of college
- He then spent a full season unable to get himself on the field for more than one, blown play. And that with Hue and his crazy play calling at the helm.
- Lots of tape of him looking lost and clueless in the preseason, along with one decent series against 3rd round scrubs. QBs that get cut in camp have looked better in preseasons.
- Another 14 games of hearing the same as everyone else about not being ready, not being able to learn the playbook, not being able to beat out Leinhart.
- One start where he does some good things, a lot of bad things, and shows everyone that he lacks an NFL arm and that’s he’s not the explosive runner that RGIII is.
I’m thinking the best offer right now might be a conditional 4th that might have another future 3rd or 4th if he starts X number of games.
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I think you are dead on with your assessment.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:49 pm
we were really bad because we had 2 guys who have no business being DE’s rushing from outside, and 1 guy inside who is ready to retire and other guy who gave 50% EFFORT on plays, and we got 6rd rd rookie starting and another guy who was on bad indy team last year, and MLB who rather shoot back in home town than live upto his draft status, and then we had to sign cheap CB’s who both couldn’t stay healthy and had to convert our FS into a CB and then we had to start practice squad players at other CB position and a guy who wouldn’t even dress up for half the Canadian football league teams starting as FS, and another guy who played well only for a rich contract
January 1st, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Zymurge, you said some ugly racist things about Pryor. Before Sunday. Do you have the integrity to apologize before us now?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:50 pm
“A win? What’s that? What I’m looking for is good command of the huddle” DA
January 1st, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Lefty12, Happy New Year. Dont always agree with ya., can always count on a solid post, tho…
January 1st, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:49 pm
we were really bad because we had 2 guys who have no business being DE’s rushing from outside, and 1 guy inside who is ready to retire and other guy who gave 50% EFFORT on plays, and we got 6rd rd rookie starting and another guy who was on bad indy team last year, and MLB who rather shoot back in home town than live upto his draft status, and then we had to sign cheap CB’s who both couldn’t stay healthy and had to convert our FS into a CB and then we had to start practice squad players at other CB position and a guy who wouldn’t even dress up for half the Canadian football league teams starting as FS, and another guy who played well only for a rich contract
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You’re right. No other season in over 50 years have we run into diversity. You have to be kidding me. I’ll state it again, worst season since 61′. Thats a long long time.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:52 pm
I hope you guys all had a good New Years.
Any Raiders-related resolutions anyone would care to share?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:53 pm
If KC was a better team we woulda been 2-14. This is crazy but we were not that far away from being 1-15, 0-16. Now where is that kool aid everybody talks about? Pass me a toke.
January 1st, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Clowney… Clowney…Clowney…Clowney
Dude is a beast! Hope he’s there at #3
January 1st, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Jerry mcdonald is a jack ass
January 1st, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Car Wash Dude Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:53 pm
If KC was a better team we woulda been 2-14. This is crazy but we were not that far away from being 1-15, 0-16. Now where is that kool aid everybody talks about? Pass me a toke.
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On that note, how did KC actually win 2 games?
January 1st, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Zymurge,
So who are you a fan of since you say “Only a Raider Fan”
In your list of Facts you forgot one thing:
We had a TD problem in the last 4 or 5 games specifically in the Red Zone. Pryor was 3 for 3 down there.
So go ahead and pull out all your stats and throwing motion, bad footwork, can’t get the snap off, only knows 6 plays, scrap heap QBs look better in preseason, can’t put on his pants yet bull crap.
Tommy Kelly said it best when asked if he played Fantasy Football. “No, I play REAL Football.”
January 1st, 2013 at 7:58 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
WOW what a hit by Clowney and fumble recovery and almost got up and ran for the touchdown, one of the can’t miss prospect of life time
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yes sir
January 1st, 2013 at 8:01 pm
The only offensive minded coaching candidate Reggie brought in for a HC interview last year was OC Marty Mornhinweg. Looks like Reggie liked is “style” and Mornhinweg is done in Philly.
Marty Mornhinweg= Raiders OC in 2013.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Car Wash Dude Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:53 pm
If KC was a better team we woulda been 2-14. This is crazy but we were not that far away from being 1-15, 0-16. Now where is that kool aid everybody talks about? Pass me a toke.
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On that note, how did KC actually win 2 games?
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They caught NO early on when they were in disarray and they beat that juggernaut Carolina.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Hendu,same to you.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:06 pm
How has Werner looked?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:07 pm
1426-Why,because he doesn’t spew the same hate and BS you want to hear?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:01 pm
The only offensive minded coaching candidate Reggie brought in for a HC interview last year was OC Marty Mornhinweg. Looks like Reggie liked is “style” and Mornhinweg is done in Philly.
Marty Mornhinweg= Raiders OC in 2013.
….
Unless he goes to Arizona with Reid
January 1st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Back-N-Black
NFL teams are going to have to wait another year to get their hands on Clowney.
He’s only two years removed from high school and cannot declare early and leave the collegiate ranks to jump to the NFL.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Do you know what would make Knapps firing even better? If he gets hired in KC or San Diego.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Lamar Houston led the Team with 4.5 sacks
January 1st, 2013 at 8:15 pm
J Hill Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:06 pm
How has Werner looked?
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Dominant.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:15 pm
http://youtu.be/FYIcShqJCdE
Terrelle Pryor Rose bowl MVP interview post game yrs ago
January 1st, 2013 at 8:16 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Back-N-Black
NFL teams are going to have to wait another year to get their hands on Clowney.
He’s only two years removed from high school and cannot declare early and leave the collegiate ranks to jump to the NFL.
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wow… didn’t realize he was so young.
what a beast!
January 1st, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Lamar Houston led the Team with 4.5 sacks Richard Seymour had 3.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Did I read someone still trying to sell the ” Carson is a top ten qb “” DRIVEL?!?!?
22 tds 19 turnovers & 4 wins is top ten?!?!?
Wow you cats are weirdos
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
Very astute post. Good to see a Raider Fan besides myself who knows what the actual car numbers are.
Reggie could always just take the 16.8 mil cap hit this year as it ranks about 10th in the league as far as QB’s go, then he is only on the hook for 3.8 mil in 2014 if he decides to cut Palmer after 2014.
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Yeah, the cap is one of the more interesting parts of the game. It gives us geeks something to chew on when there’s no football in the offseason (or playoffs for us for that matter
)
Your point is valid, Reggie could definitely say that paying $16.8M against the cap is ultimately cheaper than the eating the ~$7.7M cap hit and then having to go spend a big chunk on a legit QB. Finding someone that isn’t a huge setback ain’t happening for less than $5-6M per year, even if that guy is out there. Sadly, Alex Smith might be the best thing out there, he’s not worth $6M and he will go for a lot more because of the scarcity and the fact that his team won with (or despite) him.
But I think Carson is a standup guy that sees his time is short. Especially after taking that brutal rib cruncher, he’s gotta be thinking that he has 2 or 3 years max left. He sounded like he was really just happy to be part of a rebuilding team going in the right direction. I think he’s the type that will want to stick it out and see if he can win it in his window left. He knows that for that to happen, he has to be cap friendly to the team, so he’ll do what’s asked.
The other scenario is that he thinks that the Raiders aren’t close enough for him and he wants to go somewhere close that needs an upgrade at QB, like say Minnesota or Jacksonville. He could ask the Raiders to work with him to make him tradeable. There’s a little used part of the capology where a player can give back some or all of their signing bonus to reduce the cap hit. It’s not clear from what I can find if that would help 2013, 2014 or both but it is doable. So Palmer could pay say the remaining $7.8M of his bonus back and then restructure a deal that moves that into salary due in 2013. The trading team has to pick that up in trade (all of which had been vetted beforehand) and then they can always renegotiate with him again post trade to turn some of that into signing bonus to reduce their own 2013 cap hit.
Easy, right?
Either way, I think Palmer is the kind of guy that will know what he wants, will be up front to tell Reggie and Mark that, and then will work with the Raiders one way or the other to get that done. What I don’t think he wants as the number one driver is money, or at least more of it, so I see him working here with the team in a way that they either get him in back in a more cap friendly way or that they are able to get some significant value back from him in trade.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:19 pm
http://youtu.be/kMJgf0HekLU
Pryor some rose bowl highlights.. when he was 19
January 1st, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure we will keep Pryor but he raised his value to at least a 2nd rounder after the Finale.
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Only the eyes of a Raiders fan. In the eyes of 31 other teams, here are the facts.
- None were willing to spend a 2nd two seasons back when he came with more promise than ever out of college
- He then spent a full season unable to get himself on the field for more than one, blown play. And that with Hue and his crazy play calling at the helm.
- Lots of tape of him looking lost and clueless in the preseason, along with one decent series against 3rd round scrubs. QBs that get cut in camp have looked better in preseasons.
- Another 14 games of hearing the same as everyone else about not being ready, not being able to learn the playbook, not being able to beat out Leinhart.
- One start where he does some good things, a lot of bad things, and shows everyone that he lacks an NFL arm and that’s he’s not the explosive runner that RGIII is.
I’m thinking the best offer right now might be a conditional 4th that might have another future 3rd or 4th if he starts X number of games.
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Somebody here gets it. Thanx
January 1st, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Pass that raider aide. 12-4
January 1st, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Happy New Year, fellas. Any intel on our OC?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Who cares what Pryor can get draft pick wise. I dont care if he couldnt even get a 7th round pick right now.
He is an asset to this team
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman
My man @TerrellePryor showed me he can definitely play in the NFL and is a #Baller. #muchrespect
January 1st, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Even corky has changed his stance on pryor. DA has changed his stance.. local beat writers have. Proof is there.. the kid has something to be worked with
January 1st, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Scourge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:52 pm
I hope you guys all had a good New Years.
Any Raiders-related resolutions anyone would care to share?
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I resolve that I will not allow myself to trust this team to provide me with any sports happiness on Sundays during the season.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:24 pm
get Clowney. if not, trade down for multi picks.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Raider Football, not Donkey Football. You so-called true fans.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:26 pm
for the last time Clowney is only 19 yrs old. He has to stay in college one more year.
Walter football.com predicts the Raiders will pick number 1 next year anyhow. Maybe.. maybe not tho
January 1st, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Romania Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:24 pm
get Clowney. if not, trade down for multi picks.
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If this staff doesn’t improve and cut the anti-Al BS, we will have the lock on the Clowney sweepstakes.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
Very astute post. Good to see a Raider Fan besides myself who knows what the actual car numbers are.
Reggie could always just take the 16.8 mil cap hit this year as it ranks about 10th in the league as far as QB’s go, then he is only on the hook for 3.8 mil in 2014 if he decides to cut Palmer after 2014.
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Yeah, the cap is one of the more interesting parts of the game. It gives us geeks something to chew on when there’s no football in the offseason (or playoffs for us for that matter )
Your point is valid, Reggie could definitely say that paying $16.8M against the cap is ultimately cheaper than the eating the ~$7.7M cap hit and then having to go spend a big chunk on a legit QB. Finding someone that isn’t a huge setback ain’t happening for less than $5-6M per year, even if that guy is out there. Sadly, Alex Smith might be the best thing out there, he’s not worth $6M and he will go for a lot more because of the scarcity and the fact that his team won with (or despite) him.
But I think Carson is a standup guy that sees his time is short. Especially after taking that brutal rib cruncher, he’s gotta be thinking that he has 2 or 3 years max left. He sounded like he was really just happy to be part of a rebuilding team going in the right direction. I think he’s the type that will want to stick it out and see if he can win it in his window left. He knows that for that to happen, he has to be cap friendly to the team, so he’ll do what’s asked.
The other scenario is that he thinks that the Raiders aren’t close enough for him and he wants to go somewhere close that needs an upgrade at QB, like say Minnesota or Jacksonville. He could ask the Raiders to work with him to make him tradeable. There’s a little used part of the capology where a player can give back some or all of their signing bonus to reduce the cap hit. It’s not clear from what I can find if that would help 2013, 2014 or both but it is doable. So Palmer could pay say the remaining $7.8M of his bonus back and then restructure a deal that moves that into salary due in 2013. The trading team has to pick that up in trade (all of which had been vetted beforehand) and then they can always renegotiate with him again post trade to turn some of that into signing bonus to reduce their own 2013 cap hit.
Easy, right?
Either way, I think Palmer is the kind of guy that will know what he wants, will be up front to tell Reggie and Mark that, and then will work with the Raiders one way or the other to get that done. What I don’t think he wants as the number one driver is money, or at least more of it, so I see him working here with the team in a way that they either get him in back in a more cap friendly way or that they are able to get some significant value back from him in trade.
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You think Palmer wants to got through another offensive system change?
Cut him
January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Pryor interview at 18, after finishing at Jeannette HS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVQYQ33wmAw
January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
I notice Werner is playing LDE.
We need a RDE.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:33 pm
J Hill Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
I notice Werner is playing LDE.
We need a RDE.
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All I know is he better be on our top 3…and it better not include Teo
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
I resolve to make no one-sentence posts.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
We need to hire a proven OC. Who will that be? If DA hires a rookie OC, we are as good as buttholed. But if he hires a proven OC we might be all right. We do not want a OC with soft walnuts.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
“I just want to be a great QB. Whatever stands in the way of that, I want to have nothing to do with it.”
- T.Pryor 18 yo.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
“It was reported last week that Reid was already making calls around the league trying to piece together a staff for his next job and in doing so, some familiar names appear to be heading to Arizona with him. Brad Childress, Juan Castillo and Pat Shurmer are all rumored to be part of the staff in Arizona should Reid land there. It is also expected that Tom Heckert will be the new Cardinals G.M., although that is not yet a done deal.”
Sounds like Brad Childress will be Reid’s OC which means=
Marty Mornhinweg Raiders OC in 2013
January 1st, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Ooops.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Scourge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:35 pm
I resolve to make no one-sentence posts.
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Me too. It will make the blog easier to read.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Anyway, this is how the next few weeks will go.
-After his hidden cameras catch the Cardinal’s owner in some embarrassing situations Hue Jackson will sign as their HC.
-He will convince the GM to trade a first and a fifth for Carson.
-We will laugh like Bengal’s fans laughed.
-Then we will cry for a multitude of reasons.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Raiders should take top-rated defensive player at No. 3 or trade down to get more selections.
Oakland needs as much talent influx it can get.
And trading down may allow Reggie McKenzie to recoup the second-rounder which is property of the Bengals.
January 1st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Manuel in rd 3?
January 1st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Zymurge,
So who are you a fan of since you say “Only a Raider Fan”
In your list of Facts you forgot one thing:
We had a TD problem in the last 4 or 5 games specifically in the Red Zone. Pryor was 3 for 3 down there.
So go ahead and pull out all your stats and throwing motion, bad footwork, can’t get the snap off, only knows 6 plays, scrap heap QBs look better in preseason, can’t put on his pants yet bull crap.
Tommy Kelly said it best when asked if he played Fantasy Football. “No, I play REAL Football.”
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Not sure I understand the whole question, but will answer what I can.
I am Raiders fan through and through. Have been so since I was being brought to the Colisueum by my grandfather as a little kid to the see the great teams forming in the early 70’s. As such, I only want what is best for the team. That means either players that I feel will do well for them, or for players that don’t, I want the most value for them in return where possible. Where no return value is feasible, I want them off the roster so someone with more potential can be developed. That is what drives all my discussion about the team, and Pryor quite a bit of late.
When I watch PRyor with all his flaws I see Vince Young, Tim Tebow, or even Tuiasasopa from days long past. Guys that can make some things happen with heart but that ultimately are way too flawed as football players to do it consistently.
History has proved over and over that continued investments chasing that what if are fruitless and ultimately set the team back. Tennessee just now is getting over VY. Yeah, Denver is getting over Tebow just fine, but they did by the very rare fortune of pulling in who I believe is the best QB of all time at the end of his career. And in doing so they’ve absolutely shattered their cap for next season, so they’re doing it in the win now at all costs mode.
I don’t give a flyin’ fork that Pryor garbaged timed himself into some TDs. When you myopics claim that the Raiders haven’t done that for a few games now you make it sound like this offense has been on a drought for 3 years. It was a top 10 passing offense where Palmer created 2 or more TDs in more than half of his starts (not counting the one he didn’t play much in).
By the way, in one of Palmer’s recent starts, he brought the team down into the red zone with plenty of momentum. Pryor was brought in to take it from there and choked. Same thing happened in week 15 when Leinhart brought it down in the RZ and then Pryor wa brought in for that lame little dump off to a covered Reece.
Funny how the Pryor supports neglect to count these Pryor RZ failures and even more so, try to attribute them to the other QBs ineptitude. Pryor was very much part of that drought in the previous games. Selective memory perhaps erased that? Double standard much?
Before this game, all of the Pryor preemptive excuse makers were saying that no matter how bad he looked, he’d need to be evaluated for at least 4 starts to see if he’s for real. Well, he looked really bad but got some results. I say he can’t do that consistently