Raiders re-sign six players
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, January 2nd, 2013 at 11:02 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders re-signed tight end Mickey Shuler, offensive lineman Jason Slowey, guard Jason Foster, linebacker Jerrell Harris, wide receiver Travionte Session and defensive back Akwasi Owusu-Ansah.
Those six players finished the season on the Raiders practice squad. Therefore, their contracts expired. The Raiders re-signed them Wednesday to what’s known as reserve/future contracts.
Here’s some background info on the six players:
Foster was signed to Oakland’s practice squad on Oct. 31. The 6-foot-3, 300-pound offensive lineman originally signed with the Indianapolis Colts as a non-drafted rookie free agent out of Rhode Island in 2012.
Harris, a 6-foot-2, 240-pound linebacker, was signed to the Raiders’ practice squad on Nov. 28. Harris originally signed with the Atlanta Falcons as a non-drafted rookie free agent out of Alabama in 2012, and spent time on the practice squad with both Jacksonville and New England before joining the Raiders.
Owusu-Ansah was initially signed to the Raiders’ practice squad on Sept. 19, and rejoined the Silver and Black on Dec. 10. A 6-foot-1, 205-pound defensive back, Owusu-Ansah played in 10 games with the Dallas Cowboys from 2010-11, registering 28 kick returns for 599 yards. He was originally selected by the Cowboys in the fourth round (126th overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft.
Session signed with the Raiders as a non-drafted rookie free agent out of Nevada in 2012. The 6-foot-2, 195-pound receiver spent training camp with the Silver and Black and was signed to the practice squad on Sept. 1.
Shuler was signed to Oakland’s practice squad on Oct. 16. The 6-foot-4, 251-pound tight end played in six games with the Miami Dolphins in 2010, totaling two receptions for 44 yards. Shuler also spent time with Minnesota in 2010 and 2011 after entering the league as the Vikings’ seventh-round draft pick (214th overall) out of Penn State.
Slowey joined the Silver and Black’s practice squad on Oct. 23 after spending training camp with the San Francisco 49ers. He was originally selected by the 49ers in the sixth round (199th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft out of Western Oregon.
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January 2nd, 2013 at 11:04 am
Dang, we almost reached 2,000 comments on the last post.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
Yeah that was close huh?
But I guess someone had to put up a new thread…wonder when A new OC thread will be posted?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 am
There goes the salary cap!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 am
I got 5 on it!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 am
666 the # of the beast!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 am
Chris Ault for OC
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
Now we are a lock for the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
Palmer vs pryor
Try to set aside your emotion adn answer this from a strategic stand point.
22 tds 19 turnovers and 4 wins. Some like me believe that this tells the story on carson, others disagree.
Carson is 33, I dont think it is a death sentence others say that is too old.
How much do yuo want to invest moving forward with carson? based on the performance since he has been a raider, how long do yuo think he can match what he did this year?
My observation is i dont see carson sustaining what he did this year, just as he was not able to sustain what he did in the first 4-5 games for the rest of the year.
Palmers salary consideration is major. He is scheduled to make a ton of money. How much are you willing to commit at the expense of the rest of the roster, considering age, performance, and shelf life?
From business stand point, unless you thought you could bring in an oc and win a superbowl next year with carson and some new offense, why would you build an offense around him?
Think about it for a second. In order to install the wco look at all of the supporting moves and money was spent to make it happen.
hired knapp, and pollack, spent huge money for brisel, traded for goodson for b campbell, drafted bergstrom, a zone blocker.
Installing an offense is a huge undertaking and takes a commitment of draft picks money and time.
On the other hand pryor is only 23 years old and just happened to hit the nfl at the perfect time in the perfect spot.
He hits the nfl at the time when the wave of the future and the super athletic sharp shooters are taking the nfl by storm. At a time when football offense and the qb position is being revolutionized with various offense schemes have been successfully blended with option offense creating a hybrid an offense the likes have never been seen in the nfl.
This is akin to the forward pas being introduced, or air coryell, or the birth of the wco.
This is what football is becoming and the raiders have the perfect guy to build it with. The raiders also have payers to support this hybrid approach on offense right this moment!!! Reece dmac dhb moore streater are built for this.
Dmac pryor streater ALL PLAYED IN OFFENSES IN COLLEGE THAT FEATURED OPTION OFFENSE. They are experienced in it and dmac and pryor were stars doing it.
All of the guys are threats to score from any where on the field both running or receiving.
This seems to be a no brainer in my eyes. Bring in an oc that builds around the youth pryor. Carson will not last more than a year ( i think that is even a stretch) or two at the most. The rest of the cast will naturally out last palmer.
the raiders have a chance to do both the prudent business move with a youth moment , but also take part in the cutting edge of offensive football with a hybrid option offense with pryor and dmac and the rest!!!
If you take the emotion out, truly this plan would be best for this team now and moving forward.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
Whats up fellas! Happy new year. 2013 looks to be a good year for the Raiders. Start off signing some practice squad players, thats good for warming up the arm, next come the keepers that actually play on Sundays.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:13 am
Some people here have already put Pryor in HOF based on 1 game, talk about over emotional worshipping
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:14 am
How many teams in playoffs with option offense? oh yeah just 1 outta 12 , talk about over hyping a gimmick college O
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 am
Stats are for people that do not watch the games. Stats are for the people that think the 2012 Oak offense was competitive. Stats are for the people that thpught Stanford Routt was the 3rd best cb in the NFL. Dont give me stats, watch the game baby!
My take on: Palmer vs Proyr
Palmer: good enough, but not getting any better.
Pryor: not ready, but could get better.
Start Palmer, groom Pryor.
ooo yeah!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:16 am
GET SOME BODY’S IN HERE FOR COMPETITION IN CAMP..CANT HURT.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
Reggie sure loves his practice squad. I wonder if he knows that as the Full Time GM, his expertice is needed in the Starting lineups
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
Get some mean streak players. Clean players that play tough to the whistle. Gimme some Big Wiz attitude!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
Mistic1 – The problem with your entire premise is that Tyrell Pryor is just to STUPID to run an NFL offense. Look man, he is great athlete, but Wonderlic scores of 9 say everything you need to know. His low IQ will be his ultimate demise…it has nothing to do with race or experience. If you are dumb, there is no fix!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
All together now… Who?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
Id take ault, turner psshh.. everybody looks good after eating krapp all yr.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
This is a classic case of ISI: Iron Sharpening Iron
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:19 am
18.crister Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
All together now… Who?
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If you’ve never heard of Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, then you’re a racist.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
Terry Bradshaw, dumbest SOB to ever lace’em up (save Tommy Kelly perhaps): 4 Superbowls.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
Brady, typical prototype QB, same with manning, Flacco, dalton, luck, schaub, then in the other conference, Matt Ryan, Ponder, Rodgers, = Kaepernick, Wilson don’t use option type of plays and have top 5 D’s to back em up, only Griffin is one asked to do option sh1t
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
Thanks for the new post Steve. Awesome. I’m sure the signings are just a formality.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
the problem with TP is that we didn’t evaluate him we got 1 little taste after a couple days of sharing practice.. daaa is lucky to have his job after pulling that BS. we are in position to draft a quarterback for the future but we don’t know if we even need 1 how stupid is that?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
Well, here we go. Recycling the QB controversy convo from this morning. And yesterday. And the day before that. And …
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
SO only 1 team that use option college sh1t is in the playoffs out of 12 teams
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:22 am
POST-21,:)
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:23 am
Funny, seems like the DA-Knapp apologizers want to dismiss TP after a single start in a very tough situation, hopefully they are as wrong about the kid as they were regarding Knapp.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
What about Brandon Bair?……was he signed to the 53 right before Chargers game? After Seymour IR’ed
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
Kapernik runs a little option. but yeah basically there is 1 option team in the NFL and that option team made the playoffs in its first year with its quarterback. I’m not saying every team should do it but if you have that type of athletic quarterback you might wanna think about it because there’s lots of ways to skin a cat. Ault runs and invented the pistol offense which is a power running scheme built for guys like McFadden mix with an option built for guys like tp..
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
Actually Redskins and 49ers both incorporated versions of the Pistol into there offense. 2 playoff teams but hey its just some gimmick.. Ridiculous to think some people are so stuck in there ways… The NFL is evolving and winning organizations adapt.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:13 am
Some people here have already put Pryor in HOF based on 1 game, talk about over emotional worshipping
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do you have a counter strategy to suggest?
I just laid out a plan and gave reasons to support the plan. Can you tell me where the plan is flawed or why?
there was nothing in the post about projections for success, so this response you have given is pretty weak.
You just proved my point about emotion and hero worship
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:25 am
Knapp had apologists? They must have wi-fi on the short bus these days!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:27 am
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
Thanks for the new post Steve. Awesome. I’m sure the signings are just a formality.
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It locks them in as Raiders until free agency starts. It mostly is a formality. But they could actually want to take a longer look at some of these guys.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:27 am
Man, if we are going to run a gimmick offense we should try the Single Wing O with the Spinning Fullback. That would be awesome fun and assure us the 1st overall pick in the ‘14 draft! just need to find a good spinning FB!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:14 am
How many teams in playoffs with option offense? oh yeah just 1 outta 12 , talk about over hyping a gimmick college O
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lol do you watch football?
seattle washington san francisco minni
all four teams use option elements in the offense.
It this is where football is going
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
BRING BACK THE WISHBONE..
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:29 am
Look i know Reggie has had his misses this year, He faild to address our Coaching situation, failed to improve the O-Line, WR’s, D-Line and Secondary.
But can’t deny he’s built us one BadAzz Practice Squad
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:29 am
Marks hair Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
Kapernik runs a little option. but yeah basically there is 1 option team in the NFL and that option team made the playoffs in its first year with its quarterback. I’m not saying every team should do it but if you have that type of athletic quarterback you might wanna think about it because there’s lots of ways to skin a cat. Ault runs and invented the pistol offense which is a power running scheme built for guys like McFadden mix with an option built for guys like tp..
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Then just make McFadden the QB….he is a better passer than Pryor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:30 am
Plus you put your team in a place to win by building and game planning around there talents…
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:31 am
I just don’t want some loser bottom of the barrel hire after everybody else has picked up the top guys.. get on this yesterday Reggie. The list should be short and you should have finished it in November
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Get an OC with some HC experience so he can school DA a little bit. Man, you’d think DA would run out of excuses, but that whole “we are tops in the league on 3rd & 1″ comment was pathetic.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
42.Marks hair Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:31 am
I just don’t want some loser bottom of the barrel hire after everybody else has picked up the top guys.. get on this yesterday Reggie. The list should be short and you should have finished it in November
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True, they should already know who they want to interview for OC by now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
I thought tp looked ok.. he did a lot better than Carson Palmer did after not playing in over a year and practicing for 3 days..
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
38.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
BRING BACK THE WISHBONE..
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BRING BACK THE DEEP BALL
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
Marks hair Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:31 am
I just don’t want some loser bottom of the barrel hire after everybody else has picked up the top guys.. get on this yesterday Reggie. The list should be short and you should have finished it in November
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I don’t doubt he’d started targeting guys back in November.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
38.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
BRING BACK THE WISHBONE..
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BRING BACK THE DEEP BALL
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Bring back the Bump & Run! wooooho!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:35 am
People you are missing the point
IT ISNT OPTION FOOTBALL LIKE THE NEBARSKA CORN HUSKERS AND TOMMY FRASIER!!
TAKE A BONIFIED NFL SCHEME ( CORRYELL, WCO) AND MIX IT WITH OPTION CONCEPTS.
This does not mean that you run mainly option plays, but every play begins with an option motion the rout trees and foundation philoSOphy doesnt change!!!!
This allow as you to employ the option as an accent.
This is how seattle scored 50 points twice and blew up the leaguse best defense in sf
This is how washington has become so explosive this year. tHE ZONE WCO IS STILL THE MAIN PART OF THE PAY BOOK. The difference is they use shotgun and pistol formations and start the option motion to start every play. The zone run is still there, the slant patters and sluggos are still there. All of the elements of a classic west coast are there, they enwrap them into option motion and this has made the wco even more difficult to stop.
It is not a gimmick offense.
It is still nfl offense but use the option motions to set the plays up.
CMON GUYS WATCH THEM PLAY BEFORE YOU COMMENT SO YOU APPEAR INFORMED!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:37 am
Very interested in seeing how Carroll defends RG3. My prediction is man2man on the WRs (SEA has monster CBs) and hit RG3 on every option play.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:38 am
The_Judge37 Says:
38.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
BRING BACK THE WISHBONE..
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BRING BACK THE DEEP BALL
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While you’re reaching into that bag of old tricks, pull out the Bed & Breakfast offense.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 am
Shoot, may as well dig up Al!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:41 am
Bring back competant football.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:41 am
Seattle does not run the option thing. They run a normal NFL offense with a mix of play-action, shotgun, west coast, etc. And Wilson is a very accurate passer, being mobile is definitively a plus.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:42 am
BRING BACK THE DEEP BALL
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No shyytt, huh?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:42 am
1- John Hankins [NT]
2- Quanterius Smith [DE/OLB]
3- Logan Ryan [CB]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:43 am
Heres one for you: Hire Malkamania as LBs coach (anyone ever see this dude at a game?)… NOBODY can match his intensity….lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:43 am
Chad Johnson anyone?????
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:44 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
Palmer vs pryor
Try to set aside your emotion adn answer this from a strategic stand point.
22 tds 19 turnovers and 4 wins. Some like me believe that this tells the story on carson, others disagree.
Carson is 33, I dont think it is a death sentence others say that is too old.
How much do yuo want to invest moving forward with carson? based on the performance since he has been a raider, how long do yuo think he can match what he did this year?
My observation is i dont see carson sustaining what he did this year, just as he was not able to sustain what he did in the first 4-5 games for the rest of the year.
Palmers salary consideration is major. He is scheduled to make a ton of money. How much are you willing to commit at the expense of the rest of the roster, considering age, performance, and shelf life?
From business stand point, unless you thought you could bring in an oc and win a superbowl next year with carson and some new offense, why would you build an offense around him?
Think about it for a second. In order to install the wco look at all of the supporting moves and money was spent to make it happen.
hired knapp, and pollack, spent huge money for brisel, traded for goodson for b campbell, drafted bergstrom, a zone blocker.
Installing an offense is a huge undertaking and takes a commitment of draft picks money and time.
On the other hand pryor is only 23 years old and just happened to hit the nfl at the perfect time in the perfect spot.
He hits the nfl at the time when the wave of the future and the super athletic sharp shooters are taking the nfl by storm. At a time when football offense and the qb position is being revolutionized with various offense schemes have been successfully blended with option offense creating a hybrid an offense the likes have never been seen in the nfl.
This is akin to the forward pas being introduced, or air coryell, or the birth of the wco.
This is what football is becoming and the raiders have the perfect guy to build it with. The raiders also have payers to support this hybrid approach on offense right this moment!!! Reece dmac dhb moore streater are built for this.
Dmac pryor streater ALL PLAYED IN OFFENSES IN COLLEGE THAT FEATURED OPTION OFFENSE. They are experienced in it and dmac and pryor were stars doing it.
All of the guys are threats to score from any where on the field both running or receiving.
This seems to be a no brainer in my eyes. Bring in an oc that builds around the youth pryor. Carson will not last more than a year ( i think that is even a stretch) or two at the most. The rest of the cast will naturally out last palmer.
the raiders have a chance to do both the prudent business move with a youth moment , but also take part in the cutting edge of offensive football with a hybrid option offense with pryor and dmac and the rest!!!
If you take the emotion out, truly this plan would be best for this team now and moving forward.
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Nice post. I have been saying the same thing. Time to move on from Palmer. I don’t see this team making a Super bowl run next year. They are “rebuilding” as a lot of people say on this blog. The Palmer “loyalty” is just dumb. Palmer is not a winner.
Tony Romo > Palmer= That’s TRUE and bad. Both LOSERS
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:44 am
Marks hair Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
I thought tp looked ok.. he did a lot better than Carson Palmer did after not playing in over a year and practicing for 3 days..
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the current “brain trust” felt he was not worth the bother.
A couple of weeks ago, DA said he felt TP was not a backup.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 am
Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:46 am
So pretty much these players mean nada except the punt returner.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:48 am
Greg Jennings would be a nice add, but pricey.
I dont think Bowe will leave KC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:49 am
Why the pistol?
The pistol allows you to have passing game that spreads the defense similar to the shotgun, yet you dont sacrafice leverage for down hill power running football.
Beuase the rb is behind the qb the defense must wait a half second longer to diagnose the run unlike shot gun where the defense can see the ball.
sombody I would like to see chad morris from clemson
did you see what they did to lsu? boyd was spectacular and beat them from the pocket using this offense
Dmac is a down hill runner, the pistol would best maximize his talent and allow us to use 3 wr or spread sets. 3Wr sets force the defense to stay base formation and dont allow them to disguise blitzes.
The pistol allows both at once.
If you want a vertical correylll offense (my preference) the qb can still throw to the post or the seams and deep outs and so on. All of the elements that go along with vertical offense are still in play.
If you want wco the same can be done.
If you prefer shotgun like john elway or manning, then you can use zone read to slow the pursuit.
I believ no matter what nfl foundation offense you install, zone read shotgun and spread psitol need to be incorporated to best ustilize pryor damc reece moore and dhb.
LOL i hope for the sake of the haters, the front office doesnt see it the way i do, but some how I thin k that is a major part of the discussion in alameda at this very moment.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:50 am
Wassup with Jennings injury?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:50 am
TP is clearly not ready and at this point is difficult for anybody to project his future as a QB with any certainty despite some ridiculous claims from both sides (future all-pro or major bust).
We can thank DA and his Staff for it, TP should have been made the back-up as soon as we were eliminated from contention, maybe sooner so he could get more reps and speed up his progress, then he should have started the last 2 games to see how far was he and if he could be trusted as an option in 2013 and beyond.
I mean really, what was the point of having Leinart as the back-up from week 10 on?. There was nothing to be gained and we lost what would have been a valuable learning experience for the kid, just a stupid decision that makes one wonder what the hell were these guys thinking.
I mean, even for his own job security it would have been better for DA to elevate TP and give him a couple of games, if he played well he lookd good and if he stinked and we lost he had an understandable excuse in trying to see what we have with Pryor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 am
Tajh Boyd is rumored to be Chip Kelly’s pick for QB if he takes an NFL job.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 am
How about Snoop Dogg for OC?? Fo shizzle…
Couldnt do much worse than Krapp, probably has just as much coaching experience, given that it’s in youth football…
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:52 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:37 am
Very interested in seeing how Carroll defends RG3. My prediction is man2man on the WRs (SEA has monster CBs) and hit RG3 on every option play.
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macho i dont know if you are aware…
both of the defenses play against this offense every day in practice
THEY BOTH RUN WCO OPTION HYBRID OFFENSE!!!!
washington uses a pistol set and triple option with zone read
wilson is under center and in shotgun spread using zone read.
do you guys watch the games???
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Seattle has the personnel to play defense against anything. LOL.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 am
I mean really, what was the point of having Leinart as the back-up from week 10 on?. There was nothing to be gained and we lost what would have been a valuable learning experience for the kid, just a stupid decision that makes one wonder what the hell were these guys thinking.
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Lotta damn head-scratching moves for sure man…..Like NOT getting Reece involved until mid season for instance….WTF? All us “Nobodies” in here were screaming for them to use Reece in ANY capacity….
Damn FAIL
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:57 am
out of our free agents i hope we bring back Lechler Wheeler Myers Bryant
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:57 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:41 am
Seattle does not run the option thing. They run a normal NFL offense with a mix of play-action, shotgun, west coast, etc. And Wilson is a very accurate passer, being mobile is definitively a plus.
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what are you talking about
THEY RUN WCO BUT MIX IT WITH ZONE READ FROM A SHOTGUN SPREAD!!!!!! IT IS A HYBRID OFFENSE
PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE AND EDUCATE YOURSELVES ON THE TOPIC!!! IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE YOU DONT KNOW FOOTBALL AS IT STANDS TODAY
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/dec/20/zone-read-offense-has-been-big-for-seahawks/#axzz2Gql5sj00
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:58 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:23 am
Funny, seems like the DA-Knapp apologizers want to dismiss TP after a single start in a very tough situation, hopefully they are as wrong about the kid as they were regarding Knapp.
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I don’t know if I would say TP was put in a “very tough” situation. They did not announce he was starting til Friday so SD could not prepare for him. Then SD COMPLETELY mailed it in late in the game. Watch the TD pass to Moore. Eric Weddle who happens to be possibly the best FS in the league just lets Moore go. And starts walking towards the sidelines to check on his tee time. And Pryor was still terrible. Sorry, but TP is exactly that: toilet paper.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 am
Last night I was bored so decided to watch Netflix, watched a movie by the name of “Fire vs. Fire”. I noticed Nnamdi played a role of some thug in New Orleans…anyone watch this?
Nnamdi going Hollywood on us?
Who knows…he might wanna come back to CA for peanuts with Hollywood being around the corner!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 am
Dakota Says:
Knapp had apologists? They muSt have wi-fi on the short bus these days!
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He had many before the season started, there were people in here that claimed the 2012 team would be much better than 2011 just based on the Coaching upgrades, I think one guy went as far as saying it would be worth at least a couple of wins!.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 am
Im sorry you had to watch that movie.
Dont wish that on anyone.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm
nice to know we got our practice players lined up…man reggie has been busy at the donut shop!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm
The option puts defenses at a disadvantage. Stack the box to stop a bell-cow runner such as Seattle’s Marshawn Lynch or Washington’s Alfred Morris, and the quarterback pulls the ball out and takes off untouched down the sideline.
Spread out to protect the perimeter, and the bruising running back gashes you inside.
“It just becomes a numbers game,” San Francisco defensive coordinator Vic Fangio said. “Your typical run, the quarterback hands off and it’s now their ten against your 11. Now when he’s a potential runner, it’s their 11 against your 11 and they’re not even blocking one of the guys at the point of attack, so it actually becomes 11 against ten if they do it right. So, the numbers are flipped.”- VIC FANGIO D COORD SF
We have the pieces in place to do this now. we dont have to break the bank to go in another direction or overhaul the offensive roster!!!
This could correct the mistake made knapp and allen
do it reggie it is the wave of the future
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Bush,
read this plaese it explains what i have been trying to teach you all year long
Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/dec/20/zone-read-offense-has-been-big-for-seahawks/#ixzz2Gqm51eyO
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm
So out of 12 playoff teams , I don’t care who wins the Super Bowl as long as they are not named , Denver , SF , NE ,Packers and Cincy for Palmer worshipping reasons lol jk
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm
It sucks how good coaches like Lovie, Reid and Whisenhunt are on the market and we are stuck with wasting time on deer in the headlights Allen as the teams “leader”.
Lousy.
Gotta hope these clowns hire a GOOD/GREAT offensive coordinator/playcaller and solid OLine coach.
I have a feeling Allen will wind up hiring Kromer or Lombardi as OC. Hope Wylie or Wiz can come back as the OLine coaches. That will pump the OLinemen up.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:05 pm
2013 OFF-SEASON
OC: Norv Turner/Aaron Kromer/M.Mornhinweg/M.Trestman
OL: Tony Sparano/Juan Castillo/Bob Wylie
FREE AGENTS:
WR- Greg Jennings
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
DT- Justin Bannan
LB- Tavares Gooden
DRAFT:
1- John Hankins [NT]
2- Quanterius Smith [DE/OLB]
3- Logan Ryan [CB]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mist1c can you spare your gibberish , nobody cares what you have to say, if you want TP to start so bad take it upto Reg n let him know ur feelings , no actually demand him to do everything as you say (wave of future baby
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mistic is KILLING a lot of you cats with FACTS.
All you have in reply is he is a racist.
LMFAO
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
CP. TP. CP. TP. OK. I just hope the new OC can fit a scheme suited to both. Palmer has a better arm but TP can run option. We will be just fine. No more woe and misery know that DA has dropped the hammer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mist1c can you spare your gibberish
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Why are you dismissing what NFL defensive coordinators are saying?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Seynomoure Bush if toilet paper= 3 TDs.Then I will use it every game.Get over it and get some HELP please.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm
44.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Get an OC with some HC experience so he can school DA a little bit. Man, you’d think DA would run out of excuses, but that whole “we are tops in the league on 3rd & 1″ comment was pathetic.
^^^^^^^
A waste of time firing Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman and Holland (all hired by DA…Ooops) and not firing DA and getting a REAL head coach in here who is a leader of men and is experienced.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Reid had one of the best rosters in the NFL the last 2 years and flamed out with the same record our coach had.
WTF has Wisenhunt done in Arizona?
No to ALL retreads!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Bob Marley Says:
Funny, seems like the DA-Knapp apologizers want to dismiss TP after a single start in a very tough situation, hopefully they are as wrong about the kid as they were regarding Knapp.
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I don’t know if I would say TP was put in a “very tough” situation. They did not announce he was starting til Friday so SD could not prepare for him. Then SD COMPLETELY mailed it in late in the game. Watch the TD pass to Moore. Eric Weddle who happens to be possibly the best FS in the league just lets Moore go. And starts walking towards the sidelines to check on his tee time. And Pryor was still terrible. Sorry, but TP is exactly that: toilet paper.
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LOL.
First start in 2 years, with little to no practice reps during that time, your Head Coach saying less than a week before that you are not ready to be the back-up before someone (Reggie-Mark) slapped him into starting him, yeah it wasn’t a tough situation.
Why don’t you tell us again how the coaching upgrade was gona make this a better team than in 2011?.
That should be a good one.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
R8eray Says:
I noticed Nnamdi played a role of some thug
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I saw him in that same type of role somewhere else. He robbed some dude named Jeffrey Lurie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Trestman, Norv, Kromer, Morningwheg I think would be good to decent fits as OC playcallers.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:11 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Seynomoure Bush if toilet paper= 3 TDs.Then I will use it every game.Get over it and get some HELP please.
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Sure. 3TD’s. One when it mattered and two in garbage time. Do you realize that Pryor completed more passes to SD than he did to his own teamates in the 3rd quarter? And SD DROPPED TWO other sure INT’s? I like Pryor. I like Pryor’s competitive nature. I like Pryor’s athleticism. I would like to see Pryor at WR.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Seattle vs Washington is gonna come down to which HC can out fox the other. Both QBs are reliable. Seattle D may be better but Washington has the better O. Shanohan may be the better chess player. Skins by 7.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Id like to go full on Pistol Offense.
Think I might want Tajh Boyd over Pryor though.
We’ll see how he develops.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
92.J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Reid had one of the best rosters in the NFL the last 2 years and flamed out with the same record our coach had.
WTF has Wisenhunt done in Arizona?
No to ALL retreads!!!
^^^^^^^^
Good retreads are still better than deer in the headlights DA.
Whisenhunt went to Super Bowl and all he needed was a decent QB.
Reid messed up by getting rid of Sean McDermott as his DC and hring his former OLine coach in Castillo as DC?
Bad move by Reid and Reid also stopped running the football and relied too much on Vick. Vick made alot if mistakes also.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Until then we Palmer worshippers will enjoy 22 TDs (with the bottom 5 receiving corp , bottom 5 running game, one of the worst OC of all times ) n a bottom 10 D , how about you try to be perfect n throw 5 interceptions doing the things Palmer was asked to do, yes some of the ints were killers but most of them had to do with knapp a predictability n our receivers being pinked 1 on 1 , I know you will have some kinda comeback , but just save it for ur selves cuz we gonna worship Palmer just like you worship Pryor (who I think is an interesting prospect and can help us in the RZ n short down to go situations but is not ready to be a full time starter unless he works on his passing more, those Qb’s you compare him to really had not many flaws in their passing game , yes he could be fastest QB of all time but legs alone won’t take u anywhere , if it could , a lot of teams would just draft the fastest kid outta college n put him at QB ) hope you catch my drift
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Sure. 3TD’s. One when it mattered and two in garbage time
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LOL
Really????
So you’ll throw out 3/4’s of Palmer’s stats as “garbage time” too, then, right?
Unbelievable.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
97.Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Seattle vs Washington is gonna come down to which HC can out fox the other. Both QBs are reliable. Seattle D may be better but Washington has the better O. Shanohan may be the better chess player. Skins by 7.
^^^^^^^
Seattle vs Wash is going to be a good game!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Why don’t you tell us again how the coaching upgrade was gona make this a better team than in 2011?.
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I didn’t. There is no doubt that Allen is a HUGE upgrade over Jackson. But as I have been saying on this blog for years, the problem on this team is not coaching, it is personnel. Clearly. You cannot have smoldering wreckage after smoldering wreckage of lst round draft choices and not have that wreck your team. Coaching has nothing to do with it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Until then we Palmer worshippers will enjoy 22 TDs
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How many of them “mattered”?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
R8eray Says:
I noticed Nnamdi played a role of some thug
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I saw him in that same type of role somewhere else. He robbed some dude named Jeffrey Lurie.
LOL, OUCH!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:14 pm
A TD to bring you within 3 points cant be considered garbage time.
All 3 of Pryor’s TDs were legit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Seymoure,Thank God that you are not a coach because in the NFL 3 tds in a game is awesome especially from someone who hasn’t played all year.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:16 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Sure. 3TD’s. One when it mattered and two in garbage time
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LOL
Really????
So you’ll throw out 3/4’s of Palmer’s stats as “garbage time” too, then, right?
Unbelievable.
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Palmer played an entire season that was not garbage time. This last game was against an opponent that had nothing to play for, the coach was already fired, the staff was already fired, the GM was already fired, and Pryor STILL could not do ANYTHING for 50+ minutes of a 60 minute game. That is not good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:16 pm
DA had to make a choice: TP or knapp has to go. No brainer. Wasted no time. Now all DA has to do is bring in the right men. But remember, DA has no mentor. He’ll need to be prudent and diligent.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Thanks Cork!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
People, the SD players are very sneaky. They let us score a couple of late TDs to:
1. Assure that Norv would be fired, and
2. hope they could fool the Raiders into wasting time trying to develop Pryor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Reid had one of the best rosters in the NFL the last 2 years and flamed out with the same record our coach had.
WTF has Wisenhunt done in Arizona?
No to ALL retreads!!!
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I was thinking the same thing, if we go with a retread and go 4-12 everyone in here is gonna be talking schyt about him. I think D.A. fucd up by hiring G.Knapp and now has learned his lesson. but he needs to hurry up and start looking for a replacement before we loose a chance at a good O.cord.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer : long term, jettison. could get us 6 or so wins over the next 2 years….then what. Go with Pryor or whomever is better in camp.
the entire team looked pretty lost, next year loosing continues unless someone has some real fixes to implement.
have a game plan that might match reality. If we play someone like the New England whom could light up the D for 40, have an offensive game plan to score 41. planning on 3 and outs and having a weapon in a punter just does not cut it when the opponent shreds the D. so best plan (as painful as this is to compose) let Lechler go. if we do not have a punter that protects the offense, maybe the OC will have to have a plan to score points or at least eat up clock. If we do have a D that can stop teams, well, we still need a plan to score more than the other team. sounds simple, given a 4 – 12 record, apparently not….
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Norv is an awesome OC but how long before he leaves to get another HC gig?
Trestman is an interesting candidate however…
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
103.Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Why don’t you tell us again how the coaching upgrade was gona make this a better team than in 2011?.
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I didn’t. There is no doubt that Allen is a HUGE upgrade over Jackson. But as I have been saying on this blog for years, the problem on this team is not coaching, it is personnel. Clearly. You cannot have smoldering wreckage after smoldering wreckage of lst round draft choices and not have that wreck your team. Coaching has nothing to do with it.
^^^^^^^^^
Allen is “no doubt” a “huge” upgrade over Hue?? LOL!
Utter Bullcrap!
I wonder if you will be thinking the same thing next year when DA is fired after next season?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:18 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Seymoure,Thank God that you are not a coach because in the NFL 3 tds in a game is awesome especially from someone who hasn’t played all year.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
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The difference between me and all of you is I see what NFL people see. I don’t look at 3 TD’s, 2 of which came in the last 5 minutes of a meaningless game. I see a guy who could not hit the ocean if he was standing knee deep in the surf. I will be back in a bit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Norv is an awesome OC but how long before he leaves to get another HC gig?
Trestman is an interesting candidate however…
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It might be the end of the road for Norv as a HC.
Along the lines of Wade Phillips, Cam Cameron, Dick LeBeau..
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
People, the SD players are very sneaky. They let us score a couple of late TDs to:
1. Assure that Norv would be fired, and
2. hope they could fool the Raiders into wasting time trying to develop Pryor.
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When you watch an All Pro safety let his guy go and start walking toward the sidelines while the play is still going on late in a game, something is up.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:19 pm
114.JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Norv is an awesome OC but how long before he leaves to get another HC gig?
Trestman is an interesting candidate however…
^^^^^^^^^
Chances of Norv being a HC again in the NFL from here on out is slim to none.
He might be an Interim HC at some point, but not a Real HC again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Bank-Bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Seymoure,Thank God that you are not a coach because in the NFL 3 tds in a game is awesome especially from someone who hasn’t played all year.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
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And in spite of knapp. And considering we had a TD drought goin on. It was a wonderful reprieve from the pain inflicted upon us by the now former OC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
PerbowlOk guys this is my honest take:
Like Pryor, give him tne reps and coach him up great attitude, in time can be a legitimate qb.
Palmer is about done and he is a shell of himself since that playoff game from years back against Pitt.never liked the trade, but didn’t ojr curre t owner approve?
Can’t cut him cap hit is ridiculous, sorry playoff team or not he is not going to lead any team to the superbowl……ever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Who knew that Cable and Hue were the glory years of the modern era?
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Norv is an awesome OC but how long before he leaves to get another HC gig?
Trestman is an interesting candidate however…
+++++++++++++++
Norv will never get another shot at HC. He knows it, we know it….everyone knows it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm
zone blocking vs power blocking : what is the difference ? can we truly define the differences between these schemes….
if an opposition player is near where our player has been assigned, our player does not have the ball, block the opponent.
and then the question becomes….is there some reason to not employ power and zbs schemes, and mix it up a little to confuse the opponent D ? I just do not get it….that was 1 thing I liked about Hue, “if you do not have the ball, you are a blocker”. genius, pure genius.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:21 pm
92.J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Reid had one of the best rosters in the NFL the last 2 years and flamed out with the same record our coach had.
WTF has Wisenhunt done in Arizona?
No to ALL retreads!!!
^^^^^^^^
Good retreads are still better than deer in the headlights DA.
Whisenhunt went to Super Bowl and all he needed was a decent QB.
Reid messed up by getting rid of Sean McDermott as his DC and hring his former OLine coach in Castillo as DC?
Bad move by Reid and Reid also stopped running the football and relied too much on Vick. Vick made a lot of mistakes also.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:22 pm
And all these jokers here with the noodle arm and floaters pryor throws get a life, he can create nightmares for dc’s get a good o coordinator that would help no rookies please.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
DA is in no way shape or form a better HC than Jackson or Cable.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
122.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Who knew that Cable and Hue were the glory years of the modern era?
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
^^^^^^^^
Yep.
Sadly, McK and Allen will not be fired this year at least.
If Allen was going to get fired, it would have happened by now probably.
DA needed to fire those other clowns or he would have been sacked. He did it to save his azz.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
another reason for moving to a hybrid offense with pryor dollar and cents
not only does pryor come far cheaper for the moment than palmer but this is also a consideration for payin the oc
The raiderrs should not spend a huge sum for turner or wizenhunt, they can go after a chad morris or gus mahlzahn
College coaches/coordianators that want to join the nfl.
They dont have to pay as much as they would going after guys already in the nfl.
Ther are planty of colleg guys reday that can teach this system.
chad morris
kevin sumlin
gus mahlzahn
tom herman
there are many more
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
A TD to bring you within 3 points cant be considered garbage time.
All 3 of Pryor’s TDs were legit.
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And I’m not buying the “SD mailed it in” Bullsh*t either.
I’m also not screaming for TP to start next year but…It was DAMN NICE to see some Fu**ing Touchdowns on the board instead of damn feild goals. I don’t give a sh*t….Scoring TD’s feels good, no matter how you slice and dice it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Burton Guster exactly.Its about making plays and T.PRYOR made plays.You know what-HATE IS BLIND.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Happy New Year -2013 “Hi Cork ” hi RAIDERNATION !
KNAPP is gone. The Wicket Witch is dead ! So lets follow
The Silver & Black road ! Lets not make the same mistake and hire the same coaches that FAIL in Oakland before !
¡ DO NOT PICK -” NORV TURNER ” He Fail once before and he will Fail again. HE came to Oakland and he had an Excuse to Lose -something like 5-11 .Who is Stupid enough to pick this
Ugly past. He fails everywhere in SD too!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
You guys should be pizzed that Pryor is wasting his prime in this pipe dream of playing QB.
This guy could be a weapon….instead he will be sitting on the bench.
Tragic.
Ronald Curry needs to give him a call and talk some sense into him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
103.Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Why don’t you tell us again how the coaching upgrade was gona make this a better team than in 2011?.
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I didn’t. There is no doubt that Allen is a HUGE upgrade over Jackson. But as I have been saying on this blog for years, the problem on this team is not coaching, it is personnel. Clearly. You cannot have smoldering wreckage after smoldering wreckage of lst round draft choices and not have that wreck your team. Coaching has nothing to do with it.
^^^^^^^^^
Allen is “no doubt” a “huge” upgrade over Hue?? LOL!
Utter Bullcrap!
I wonder if you will be thinking the same thing next year when DA is fired after next season?
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Allen was in no way an upgrade over HueJax. We downgraded at every coaching position. Maybe DA got some counsel and will hire some correct men, but he still has a long ways to go. Hue was a players coach and a winner. Hue was burdened with a DC who got him fired. Damn shame how all that went down. Yeah. 4-12 should wake anybody up outta their pipe dream.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Burton Guster exactly.Its about making plays and T.PRYOR made plays.You know what-HATE IS BLIND.
+++++++++++
I am not sure its hate. a lot of Semi’s know a lot.
Or
“Think they know a lot”
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mist1c can you spare your gibberish , nobody cares what you have to say, if you want TP to start so bad take it upto Reg n let him know ur feelings , no actually demand him to do everything as you say (wave of future baby
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can you use football strategy or philosphy to counter my post?
or do you simply lack the football acumen to do so?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:26 pm
127.Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:23 pm
DA is in no way shape or form a better HC than Jackson or Cable.
^^^^^^^^
Exactly. Ohh…DA reduced the penalties taht occured under Cable and Jacksons watch….ohhhh….
That means nothing. I would rather WIN a football game commiting 10 penalties, instead of LOSING a football game badly and only commiting 3 penalties.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
I am not hating on Palmer, I do have a question, how many playoff games will we win in 2013, 2014 with him as the starter?????
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Dakota Says:
People, the SD players are very sneaky. They let us score a couple of late TDs to:
1. Assure that Norv would be fired, and
2. hope they could fool the Raiders into wasting time trying to develop Pryor.
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Well this would also explain why Dmac was suddenly breaking through initial contact.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:18 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Seymoure,Thank God that you are not a coach because in the NFL 3 tds in a game is awesome especially from someone who hasn’t played all year.WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!
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The difference between me and all of you is I see what NFL people see. I don’t look at 3 TD’s, 2 of which came in the last 5 minutes of a meaningless game. I see a guy who could not hit the ocean if he was standing knee deep in the surf. I will be back in a bit.
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That’s why he should’ve been playing a month ago. None of those games mattered either. Instead, they wait until CP has broken ribs and we have four quarters left. With four GAMES worth of experience vs four quarters, I think we’d be seeing a much sharper TP. Not saying he’s the guy for the future, but IMHO he’s worthy of being the #2 guy behind CP for the foreseeable future. Goodbye Leinart.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Give DA one more year get offense of coordinator to run the offense DA does not know ship about offense the players seem to play hard for him and even the last game with a rookie quarterback they never give up. I don’t know if Dennis Alan would hire Hu Jackson he would probably be afraid a HU taking his coaching job
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
how many of us true raider fans were pissed that pryor got into the last game due to palmer’s injury. What a joke that is on the coach who had to be pushed into playing him, completely dysfunctional. Ok let me see Palmer lead the team back from the brink a d loss the game with stupid ints. Yes I want to see that again don’t you, especially tampa and atlanta do!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Burton Guster Says:
Hue was a players coach and a winner.
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LMFAO
A players coach that threw players under the bus. Man, only on this blog …
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
That means nothing. I would rather WIN a football game commiting 10 penalties, instead of LOSING a football game badly and only commiting 3 penalties.
++++++++++++
Truth…this D was by far THE WORST IN THE HISTORY OF THE RAIDERS.
DA should be ashmed of himself, and he is a D minded coach…lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:29 pm
134.Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:25 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:17 pm
103.Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Why don’t you tell us again how the coaching upgrade was gona make this a better team than in 2011?.
===========================================
I didn’t. There is no doubt that Allen is a HUGE upgrade over Jackson. But as I have been saying on this blog for years, the problem on this team is not coaching, it is personnel. Clearly. You cannot have smoldering wreckage after smoldering wreckage of lst round draft choices and not have that wreck your team. Coaching has nothing to do with it.
^^^^^^^^^
Allen is “no doubt” a “huge” upgrade over Hue?? LOL!
Utter Bullcrap!
I wonder if you will be thinking the same thing next year when DA is fired after next season?
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Allen was in no way an upgrade over HueJax. We downgraded at every coaching position. Maybe DA got some counsel and will hire some correct men, but he still has a long ways to go. Hue was a players coach and a winner. Hue was burdened with a DC who got him fired. Damn shame how all that went down. Yeah. 4-12 should wake anybody up outta their pipe dream.
^^^^^^^^
Yep and just because Hue wore his emotions on his sleeves and Davis and McK were scared to work with him is a damn shame.
The CP trade is just an excuse by the Hue haters.
It would have been nice to see Hue and CP work together in Hue’s system for a full year with DMC and Reece behind him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Have to say not a lot of candidates for OC stand out from around the League, but a few names might be worth cheking out.
Atlanta’s OL Coach and former Fresno State HC Pat Hill, he’s older at 65 I think, but is well respected.
San Francisco’s QB Coach Geep Chryst, another older guy in his 60’s and hasn’t called plays in years, but his work with Alex Smith and Kapernick is intriguing but you always have to winder how much of it is Harbaugh.
Chicago Bears QB Coach Jeremy Bates, he’s young at 36 and his star has dwindled but he was considered a rising star in coaching just a couple of years ago, a Gruden and Shanahan disciple.
Indianapolis QB Coach Clyde Christensen, at 56 he’s been in Indy in different capacities for over a decade, worked with Manning as OC, Luck as QB Coach and Marvin Harrison-Reggie Wayne as WR Coach.
I think each of those guys deserves an interview in case they’re interested in the job.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Dakota Says:
People, the SD players are very sneaky. They let us score a couple of late TDs to:
1. Assure that Norv would be fired, and
2. hope they could fool the Raiders into wasting time trying to develop Pryor.
———————————————
Well this would also explain why Dmac was suddenly breaking through initial contact.
________________
Ouch lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I dont need to read a moronic article to know Seattle and Washington run very, very different offenses. They will play each other on the weekend, please play “can you tell the difference” between both offenses, it should be pretty simple.
We can talk about Pryor next monday…
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm
143.RaidingTexas Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Burton Guster Says:
Hue was a players coach and a winner.
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LMFAO
A players coach that threw players under the bus. Man, only on this blog …
^^^^^^^
Inmates don’t run the asylum.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:31 pm
The Allen is a upgrade over Hue is worse than the CP/TP debates. Firing Hue was wrong. It was a mistake. The CP/TP thing will work itself out. I’m thrilled we have them both.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
probably as important as our q.b. situation, is the fact that we have a r.b. who cant play a full season or to stupid to learn a zbs. D.A. better be carefull who he hires as O.cord and what kind of lineman to retain or draft.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
O yeah, on the SEA vs WSH game please count the number of floaters-rainbow passes these QBs throw so we can talk about that when talking about Pryor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
DA, Cable, and Jackson are ALL losers.
NONE of them made the playoffs.
This defense was NOT worse than last years D to finish the season. Same SD team who didn’t have anything to play for didn’t punt ONE time last year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
It was blatantly obvius from the preseason to first games that Knapp and his lateral weak azz ZBS was going to get DMC killed or hurt very quickly.
Heck, I was surprised DMC lasted as long as he did.
Knapp should have been using Reece more with DMC on the field at the sametime and Reece should have took over Bush’s role from last year as change of pace power back.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Drop the Hue love, please was good as a OC, but sucked as coach….why because it went to his head and suffered from megalomania
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:28 pm
That means nothing. I would rather WIN a football game commiting 10 penalties, instead of LOSING a football game badly and only commiting 3 penalties.
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Truth…this D was by far THE WORST IN THE HISTORY OF THE RAIDERS.
DA should be ashmed of himself, and he is a D minded coach…lol
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LOL….He AIN’T ashamed though, that’s the damn funny part.
Cable would come to the podium…”Well we sure got our tails whipped out there yesterday.”
DA walks up…….”I thought we did some real good things out there yesterday. I was pleased with alot of the things I saw out there.”
Get outta here…..Just GTFOH…Go’own
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:27 pm
I am not hating on Palmer, I do have a question, how many playoff games will we win in 2013, 2014 with him as the starter?????
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January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
how about art briles -baylor
or bobby turner- wshington redskins asst hc / rb coach
both could teach the hybrid offense
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
It would have been nice to see Hue and CP work together in Hue’s system for a full year with DMC and Reece behind him.
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No doubt in my mind we’d be in the post season right now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
It would have been nice to see Hue and CP work together in Hue’s system for a full year with DMC and Reece behind him.
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No doubt in my mind we’d be in the post season right now.
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LOL.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Get outta here…..Just GTFOH…Go’own
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ROFLMBAO…….coffee all over keyboard.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:35 pm
DAKOTA,Iknow you’re not talking against Pryor because your credit in my book is a big fat ZERO.McFadden worshipper are you kidding me!PLUS,you was a big Adrian Peterson basher when he was coming out of college AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:32 pm
O yeah, on the SEA vs WSH game please count the number of floaters-rainbow passes these QBs throw so we can talk about that when talking about Pryor.
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pryor threw 2 tds and scored one on the ground floaters and all.
did you read the article so you understand the premise of my post yet?
you still have not addressed my take with philosophy or strategy
next time know what your talking about before you post or end up embarrased
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm
It was blatantly obvius from the preseason to first games that Knapp and his lateral weak azz ZBS was going to get DMC killed or hurt very quickly.
Heck, I was surprised DMC lasted as long as he did.
Knapp should have been using Reece more with DMC on the field at the sametime and Reece should have took over Bush’s role from last year as change of pace power back.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Can someone tell me why Allen broke down and decided to play Pryor? Guaranteed it was not his call, stick to defense Dennis we need alot of help there.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:36 pm
8-8 to 4-12. Big upgrade. Yeah. I’d say they got it right.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Stats are for losers. Watch the games baby.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Raider (since1967
Reggie and Allen and Taver and Gm- Mark Davis are on the
Right track now !
MISTAKES – DON’T HIRE -NORV TURNER- 5-11 ★ 4-12 BAD LUCK -START CLEAN – ★ AL SAUNDER ★
Try those 6 players again early in camp. Then bring as many as we need to those positions that we FAIL last year and bring Free
Agents too. !
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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Why the Hue hate? The absence of Hue for the Raiders sure did show offensively. He will be a OC again. In college or pros
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
It would have been nice to see Hue and CP work together in Hue’s system for a full year with DMC and Reece behind him.
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No doubt in my mind we’d be in the post season right now.
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It would have been nice to see a REAL DC working under Hue also.
Instead a year was wasted with Tits DA and his clown posse of assistant head coaches.
You can tell the players didn’t buy into DA and what his crap coaches were trying to sell.
Loved Hue’s “next man up motto” last year, kept bench players on their toes and ready to play when needed.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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I have news for you.
Until further notice, WE are the nobody nobodys and the absolutely no ones.
A decade a losing puts you in that class.
Now, people can continue to say it’s RM and DA that caused all this. Or people can put down the pipe and realize that AD turned this franchise into the most unpleasant, unsuccessful place to work in the entire world of sports, and has left a monumental CF for these men to fix.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
heck, print out the article and use it as your guide during the SEA-WSH game. if you cant tell the difference between the offenses then we cant have an intelligent discussion.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Does any one have a logical explanation why Saunders took a back seat to knapp this year? Why wasn’t Saunders the OC? Could have spared us so much pain. Just wondering.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm
170.RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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Why the Hue hate? The absence of Hue for the Raiders sure did show offensively. He will be a OC again. In college or pros
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The Hue Haters have already proven to be WRONG about wanting him fired.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:30 pm
I dont need to read a moronic article to know Seattle and Washington run very, very different offenses. They will play each other on the weekend, please play “can you tell the difference” between both offenses, it should be pretty simple.
We can talk about Pryor next monday…
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lol at “moronic article’
it explains what the hybrid offense is, which is at the center of my post and argument.
If you dont know this information you cant intelligently debate on the topic.
You also have exposed the fact THAT YOU DONT WATCH THEM PLAY AND DONT KNOW OFFENSE OR WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm
You also have exposed the fact THAT YOU DONT WATCH THEM PLAY AND DONT KNOW OFFENSE OR WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!
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yawn, we can talk next monday
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:40 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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Told ya!
“Another name bubbling up in the Bills’ chase is former Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson. One of the two people informed of the Whisenhunt and Horton interviews said the Bills are also interested in Jackson, an assistant coach with the Cincinnati Bengals. Per NFL rules, Jackson cannot interview until next week because the Bengals are preparing for Saturday’s wild card game against the Houston Texans.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
168.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Stats are for losers. Watch the games baby.
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The Raiders played in “games” this year??
Really?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Jackson will interview to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
Moving along..
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Something else to consider Reece dhb Moore & dmac make an interesting quartet becuase all 4 are threats to score either catching a pass or running from scrimmage.
Dhb & Moore have both proven dangerous runni g reverses. Dmac and reef running with handoffs.
This gives the raiders a very unique group of skill players to match with Pryor.
The possibilities for ghost motions play actions & qb runs are endless & at any time the qb can fake pull up & throw the ball to any of those guys.
Any oc needs to understand & exploit this truly one of kind team of speedster skill players.
To miss this opportunity in an offense that doesn’t employ option with this collection of players would be beyond foly. Especially in the face of watching teams that do use those systems in the playoffs. For the record Seattle. & Washington nor sf have the speed that we do with fire dhb Moore dmac streetrr & Reece.
C’mon oakland get with the times
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Mistic1 I don’t think there is a question the Raiders will take Pryor into consideration with the new OC. The Raiders have seen the light and already have plans with the eye in Pryor’s development.
Not even a worry……it’s been mandated. That much is very clear.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
More:
“Jackson could also be a candidate for the San Diego Chargers’ job if Jimmy Raye III is promoted to general manager there. Jackson and Raye’s father, Jimmy Raye II, are friends who worked together on the Washington Redskins’ staff in 2001.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
heck, print out the article and use it as your guide during the SEA-WSH game. if you cant tell the difference between the offenses then we cant have an intelligent discussion.
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lol
I broke down the difference, you had no idea what you were talking about.
seattle DOES USE A HYBRID OTPION OFFENSE YOU SAID THEY DIDNT!!!!!
They both have wco as the foundation!!!!!
the difference is wash uses pistol and shotgun spread zone read and triple option
sea uses mainly shotgun spread and zone option with its wco
LOL SLAP YOURSELF YOU ARE LOOKING FOOLISH HERE.
Concede bra, you have exposed yourself
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:34 pm
It would have been nice to see Hue and CP work together in Hue’s system for a full year with DMC and Reece behind him.
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No doubt in my mind we’d be in the post season right now.
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It would have been nice to see a REAL DC working under Hue also.
Instead a year was wasted with Tits DA and his clown posse of assistant head coaches.
You can tell the players didn’t buy into DA and what his crap coaches were trying to sell.
Loved Hue’s “next man up motto” last year, kept bench players on their toes and ready to play when needed.
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That is why this is just so flat out perplexing. All we needed was a legit DC, keep Bush and a few minor tweaks. Talk about continuity. We had it. Mark and Reg trashed it. Time for DA to sh!t or get off the pot.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
There is no right or wrong regarding Hue’s firing.
The GM wanted to start completely over. He has that right.
Get over it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:35 pm
DAKOTA,Iknow you’re not talking against Pryor because your credit in my book is a big fat ZERO.McFadden worshipper are you kidding me!PLUS,you was a big Adrian Peterson basher when he was coming out of college AND YOU KNOW IT!!!!!!!!
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You are the guy who was in here a couple of weeks ago and couldn’t even remember what year we drafted certain players…I am not too worried about what you think.
And McFadden will redeem himself. It isn’t his fault he was drafted by this incompetent franchise.
Peterson basher? Please post one comment that could be considered Peterson bashing from me.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm
71.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
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Those were your words. I just reposted them.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Does any one have a logical explanation why Saunders took a back seat to knapp this year? Why wasn’t Saunders the OC? Could have spared us so much pain. Just wondering.
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Guster, it’s simple DA wanted to hire his friend instead of using common sense and sticking with continuity which would have been the smart prudent thing to do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 pm
CHAN GAILEY FOR OC
He will put our talented running backs in position to succeed. And I have a feeling he’ll know how to work TP into the mix when appropriate.
Add a veteran WR into the mix and our offense will once again be dynamic.
CHAN GAILEY FOR OC
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Raider (since 1967)
It was really one mistake on Allen’s part that cause us to lose6-8
Uncheck Unproven- Greg Knapp ★ Oc
Norv Turner -Bad Luck ★Oc
Make the same mistakes again and the Commisioner may Ban the Oakland Raiders from the NFL !
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Go’own
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LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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It’s early!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Russel wilson tied mannings rookie td pasing record and went to the payoffs
lol at people that cant accept the wave of the future
buckle your seat belts impostor fans it coming to Oakland next.
what will sel te most tix next year palmer and a retread coach/ outdated old model offense?
pryor and the hybrid option with dmac and the fellas?
oakland nees to sell tix and needs a stadium
pryor and the hybrid is the way to go
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm
71.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
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Those were your words. I just reposted them.
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you reposted them to slight me, name calling.
do you have a football based retort to my premise?
im waiting
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
I still say FIRE DA. A lot of good coaches available. Should be more after the playoffs/Super bowl.
I would take Norv or Lovie over DA any day.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:44 pm
71.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
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Those were your words. I just reposted them.
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you reposted them to slight me, name calling.
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And your reasons for posting them were?
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
DAKOTA,so what the fact remains that you was A BIG Adrian Peterson basher when he was coming out.Say it aint so!!!!!and I wish there was a way to go back on this site and then you would be exposed about your Hatred for Adrian Peterson becoming a Raider.Yet you wanted Mcfadden.You are unreal.LMAO.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Cmon Teach.
You are a good football poster.
I’d like to see someone like you address Mistic’s football points.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Hue Jackson is rumored to be interviewing for the Head Coaching vacancy with the Nobody Nobody’s.
He’s also the leading candidate to land the Offensive Coordinator job with the Absoulutey No One’s.
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It’s early!
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I personally don’t think he’ll get a HC job. Some Hue lover earlier said he would be an OC again. Yeah, exactly. AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR. Not a head coach.
But in Hue’s defense, he has no power to even accept an interview right now. The Bengals are in the playoffs. They would need to grant approval first.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
bank-bank Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
DAKOTA,so what the fact remains that you was A BIG Adrian Peterson basher when he was coming out.Say it aint so!!!!!and I wish there was a way to go back on this site and then you would be exposed about your Hatred for Adrian Peterson becoming a Raider.Yet you wanted Mcfadden.You are unreal.LMAO.
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I think you are just confused.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
185.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
There is no right or wrong regarding Hue’s firing.
The GM wanted to start completely over. He has that right.
Get over it.
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Stupid move to and it set the franchise back another 3-4 years at least.
DA sucks….get over it!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
I think Norv is adaptable and capable of innovating to allow Pryor to be used extensively next year and maybe start. Read option has been around for decades it’s a matter of thinking outside the box and using players to their strengths.
However I’m not at all opposed to someone young and cutting edge to man that post. Just do not allow DA to make another bonehead hire.
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:58 pm
YEAH RIGHT DAKOTA.You know whats up!!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:59 pm
189.JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 pm
CHAN GAILEY FOR OC
He will put our talented running backs in position to succeed. And I have a feeling he’ll know how to work TP into the mix when appropriate.
Add a veteran WR into the mix and our offense will once again be dynamic.
CHAN GAILEY FOR OC
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I think Chan knows how to mix it up on offense and get the ball in his playmakers hands. He also knows how to use TE’s.
His problem in Buffalo was he had a mediocre, below average QB in Fitz and his defenses underachieved.
Chan is not a HC though. His should just be an OC or QB coach in the NFL from here on out, like Norv.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Hue Jackson set us back 2-3 years alone with the Palmer trade.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
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I agree the game is changing and Palmer was a glorious past but he is the past. We have a prototype QB of the future Mr Davis had the vision to step into the future even at his advance age but some in here still want to hold on to something that is going the way of the Dinosaur. Either progress or be crushed by the wheels of progress. Life has always been that way.
We have the right QB who can operate these new offensive systems we should get an OC to facilitate that…………period
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
It has nothing to do with Dennis Allen or Hue Jackson.
We were going into this regardless because of the cap hell.
Hue compounded that with the horrible Palmer trade.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
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A truly successful rebuild has to include a young franchise QB. We don’t have that as of now. Palmer will be our QB next year. Fvck that rebuild talk. Defense is in rebuilding mode. Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again, IF we can get the right OC to utilize our players the correct way
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Greg Papa just said Terrelle Pryor impressed him on his first start. Said he was suprised and didnt think he would do as good.
Greg Papa said Pryor not only shocked/ suprised him with how well he played he shocked the coaching staff and raised eyebrows with how well he played. Many believed he wasnt capable of playing or getting the offense to run right.. Said the the belief has now changed in the building that Pryor can play and this was his first start in 2 1/2 years.
Papa was impressed with, NO delay of games, No timeouts needed to be used for miss plays and huddles being called in order and getting guys lined up right.
Papa said Pryor still has alot of stuff to work on but he showed Leadership, he was charasmatic and loved when he pulled goodson away from the fight.
Papa said he had concerns with Pryor before the game just seeing him in practice but he exceeded his expectations. Loves how he can create plays when he doesnt see something on the field he can just take off with it and run with it. Said some players are not that good “practice” players but when games time comes they turn it “on” and dont play scripted like practice.
Papa said he played extremely well. Needs to work on his mechanics but Papa cant begin to tell u how far he has come since his first practice last year. Again he has come along way and not even getting any 1st or 2nd team reps for two years really.
This is what Papa is saying on 95.7 the game right now
Now Papa said this .. what kind of offense do u want to run moving foward?? Thats why picking the new OC will be crucial. Are you gonna want pryor to run the same offense as Palmer? or u gonna want to run an offesne like Cam Newton, Rg3 does Papa said.
Papa says Pryor is intriguing and exciting and can play in the pro offense but he would EXCEL in an offense tailored to his Strengths
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Greg Papa just said he would like Cam Cameron as OC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Start again- Cleanup the House ! ★ Start the Year with- Goodluck ! Hire proven coaches like -
Al Saunder ★ Great ! Offensive Coordinator.
Try to get the Assistance coach from proven ★ Atlanta Falcons
Get coaches that are more Wins than Loses.
★ MISTAKES COACHES THAT ARE — 4- 12 or 46-112
GOOD COACHES – BELICHECK 12- 4 or 157-58 .
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
I think we’d be a better version of last years Broncos with Pryor & an offense suited for him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
199.J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Cmon Teach.
You are a good football poster.
I’d like to see someone like you address Mistic’s football points.
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I agree with a lot of what he says, JHill. I don’t think it’s necessarily “the wave of the future” though, because you still have to have the quarterback to execute it. The new contact rules definitely make it easier to run option-type schemes; it wasn’t too long ago that no one would even think that way because they didn’t want their highly paid franchise player getting killed on the field. I doubt that the dropback passer is going away however, especially with the prevalence of the spread offense and the emphasis on throwing the ball in the NFL. Don’t think you’ll see the Rams or the Falcons scrapping their offenses, in other words, and if another great pocket passer comes along nobody’s going to try and make him run a read-option offense.
The problem I have with Mistic is that he is forever calling people worshipers and so forth that disagree with him, and then accusing people of calling HIM names. It’s hypocritical.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
The wave of the future is this new, forward passing offense. In this revoltionary system, athletic players instead of having the ball handed to them, run downfield and then the QB throws it to them. past the line of scrimmage. Many NFL teams are now incorporating some elements of this new idea their previously run oriented offensive schemes.
In order to be successful in this new era, teams will need a strong armed, accurate thrower at the QB position. Fortunately, the Raiders already possess one of the best in this particular skill area. Furthermore, many players on the Raiders offense: DMac, DHB, Myers, Reece, Ford, Streater … the list goes on, have had success in this forward passing scheme all the way back to their college days.
If you take emotions out of the situation, and don’t try to see backup players as more skilled than they actually are, then you can see the logical conclusion of pursuing a forward pass based offense.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
I liked Owusu-Ansah as a prospect coming out of IUP, and was hoping that the Raiders might take him then. He’s a good returner, but I actually like his potential as a DB even better. He can cover, is very fast (low 4.4’s), has long arms that he uses well in coverage. I was hoping we would have picked him up in the 4th in 2010, but we took Jacoby Ford and Bruce Campbell, which I thought were good picks.
Keep an eye on Owusu-Ansah this pre-season and training camp. He may be a steal.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
Palmer vs pryor
Try to set aside your emotion adn answer this from a strategic stand point.
22 tds 19 turnovers and 4 wins. Some like me believe that this tells the story on carson, others disagree.
Carson is 33, I dont think it is a death sentence others say that is too old.
How much do yuo want to invest moving forward with carson? based on the performance since he has been a raider, how long do yuo think he can match what he did this year?
My observation is i dont see carson sustaining what he did this year, just as he was not able to sustain what he did in the first 4-5 games for the rest of the year.
Palmers salary consideration is major. He is scheduled to make a ton of money. How much are you willing to commit at the expense of the rest of the roster, considering age, performance, and shelf life?
From business stand point, unless you thought you could bring in an oc and win a superbowl next year with carson and some new offense, why would you build an offense around him?
Think about it for a second. In order to install the wco look at all of the supporting moves and money was spent to make it happen.
hired knapp, and pollack, spent huge money for brisel, traded for goodson for b campbell, drafted bergstrom, a zone blocker.
Installing an offense is a huge undertaking and takes a commitment of draft picks money and time.
On the other hand pryor is only 23 years old and just happened to hit the nfl at the perfect time in the perfect spot.
He hits the nfl at the time when the wave of the future and the super athletic sharp shooters are taking the nfl by storm. At a time when football offense and the qb position is being revolutionized with various offense schemes have been successfully blended with option offense creating a hybrid an offense the likes have never been seen in the nfl.
This is akin to the forward pas being introduced, or air coryell, or the birth of the wco.
This is what football is becoming and the raiders have the perfect guy to build it with. The raiders also have payers to support this hybrid approach on offense right this moment!!! Reece dmac dhb moore streater are built for this.
Dmac pryor streater ALL PLAYED IN OFFENSES IN COLLEGE THAT FEATURED OPTION OFFENSE. They are experienced in it and dmac and pryor were stars doing it.
All of the guys are threats to score from any where on the field both running or receiving.
This seems to be a no brainer in my eyes. Bring in an oc that builds around the youth pryor. Carson will not last more than a year ( i think that is even a stretch) or two at the most. The rest of the cast will naturally out last palmer.
the raiders have a chance to do both the prudent business move with a youth moment , but also take part in the cutting edge of offensive football with a hybrid option offense with pryor and dmac and the rest!!!
If you take the emotion out, truly this plan would be best for this team now and moving forward.
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first of all, u are the most DISHONEST poster here. u have been saying palmer was horrible all year, and u know without a doubt that that’s ridiculous. now, after sunday, u claim pryor’s performance was sensational, and u certainly know that’s as ridiculous. palmer isn’t peyton manning but he’s a legit nfl qb with actual passing ability. u know this. but u hate him anyway, simply cuz he’s white and he stands in the way of ur precious black qb. it’s the truth. every one of ur thousands of post prove it. they all are oozing with barely disguised anti-white, pro-black racism. pryor has some of the worst passing skills the nfl has ever seen. it’s simple. u have no credibility whatsoever cuz ur such a liar. u can’t even admit that palmer’s a quality passer and pryor is not. pryor would admit it. cuz he’s a man.
u desperately want it to be you and pryor against the world. against all other (especially white) raider fans. but guess what? it’s not. he’s as much our raider player as he is yours. and no one here other than fangs has ever said they didn’t like him. he’s one of my favorite players cuz of his great athleticism, work ethic, attitude, etc. he’s just a horrendous passer and out of position. of course, u would immediately say i’m racist, even though i have called for geno smith to be drafted. and i loved culpepper. and brooks. just not russell. and i didn’t think campbell was bad, just not good either. if pryor succeeds, which would take a miracle, i’ll be his biggest fan, cuz i genuinely like the kid, and he will have done the near-impossible.
above u say “He hits the nfl at the time when the wave of the future and the super athletic sharp shooters are taking the nfl by storm.” while this is kinda true (a few guys don’t make it a storm, and it’s going to be rare to find guys who can AND pass at an nfl level), pryor isn’t a SHARPSHOOTER. griffin, newton, kaepernick, and wilson are all impressive. u try to tell us everyday that some imaginary group in here is against the “wave of the future”, when i have heard absolutely no one say that. we all would love to have any one of them. but again, pryor isn’t even in the same universe as any of them as a passer.
if u were honest, u wouldn’t be so reviled. and u would be happier.
there is no way the raiders organization is building around pryor. not cuz i say so. it’s cuz they aren’t idiots. they saw the game. they know he will certainly never become a legit passer. i’d love to get a great young black or white qb in here to groom or even take over now, since it’s unlikely we will ever be good while palmer is here. but it ain’t pryor. if u weren’t such a liar and a complete hating racist, u would be able to admit that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
You would need 2 QBs, similar to what the Redskins did.
Pryor & Boyd would be a great 1-2.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
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Those were your words. I just reposted them.
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you reposted them to slight me, name calling.
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And your reasons for posting them were?
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Because when ever I post on football strategy or philosphy people come back with words like hate or name calling.
people do not comment on the football, just as you did with your response.
I knew you and others would so i called it out ahead of time.
you illustrated my point
thank you
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Greg Papa needs to go. He is just horrible. If you need your TD RAAAAAAAAIDERS fix, just let him sit in the booth with his mic off until we score a TD, let him do his thing, and then shut off his mic again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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most boring poster ever. most skipped poster ever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 am
Stats are for people that do not watch the games. Stats are for the people that think the 2012 Oak offense was competitive. Stats are for the people that thpught Stanford Routt was the 3rd best cb in the NFL. Dont give me stats, watch the game baby!
My take on: Palmer vs Proyr
Palmer: good enough, but not getting any better.
Pryor: not ready, but could get better.
Start Palmer, groom Pryor.
ooo yeah!
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stats are for people who want objective criteria with no opinions. u would not do well in the business world.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:05 pm
You would need 2 QBs, similar to what the Redskins did.
Pryor & Boyd would be a great 1-2.
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agreed
chad morris the oc should come too
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
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A truly successful rebuild has to include a young franchise QB. We don’t have that as of now. Palmer will be our QB next year. Fvck that rebuild talk. Defense is in rebuilding mode. Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again, IF we can get the right OC to utilize our players the correct way
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You still holding on to that “8-8 with potential” mind set.
Sorry but the Raiders went 4-14 which could have easily been 2-14. Some people called this a “rebuild” year. I was a “8-8 with potential” guy. That is OVER now. Move on. “Rebuild” it is
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Greg PAPA says his choice for OC.. or who he wants badly is
CAM CAMERON. Said he would re make DMAC a star.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
I think we’d be a better version of last years Broncos with Pryor & an offense suited for him.
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I think we’d be a better version of the 2012 Raiders offense with Palmer running the WCO with WRs that can run routes and catch and the ZBS with RBs that read better than DMac.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Greg Papa knows talent when he sees it.T.Pryor is our future and Im excited about that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Stats dont tell the whole truth sometimes.
Baseball is the only sport where numbers dont lie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
dr rob.
you wrote that long diatribe but at its core its racist.
you are bring race into the discussion…..AGAIN
you will not get another response form me today
I outlined football you race bait
get lost racist
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Don’t know about Cam but he is out there and je was better than Knapp…right?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Also said Stanford Zack Ertz pro typical TE and his fav TE better then colby fleener he said
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
I think we’d be a better version of last years Broncos with Pryor & an offense suited for him.
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I think we’d be a better version of the 2012 Raiders offense with Palmer running the WCO with WRs that can run routes and catch and the ZBS with RBs that read better than DMac.
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My post had nothing to do with Palmer.
Was just my opinon on what we would look like after a drastic move to Pryor.
Thanks though.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
I should’ve really asked for today off, FML!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
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pryor was 19/32 in the preseason 55%
he had 5 passes dropped on sunday that would have had him near 55%
he will be more accurate as he gets playing time and gets the timing down with wrs
He is as accurate as you need for a very young 23 year old
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:49 am
Why the pistol?
The pistol allows you to have passing game that spreads the defense similar to the shotgun, yet you dont sacrafice leverage for down hill power running football.
Beuase the rb is behind the qb the defense must wait a half second longer to diagnose the run unlike shot gun where the defense can see the ball.
sombody I would like to see chad morris from clemson
did you see what they did to lsu? boyd was spectacular and beat them from the pocket using this offense
Dmac is a down hill runner, the pistol would best maximize his talent and allow us to use 3 wr or spread sets. 3Wr sets force the defense to stay base formation and dont allow them to disguise blitzes.
The pistol allows both at once.
If you want a vertical correylll offense (my preference) the qb can still throw to the post or the seams and deep outs and so on. All of the elements that go along with vertical offense are still in play.
If you want wco the same can be done.
If you prefer shotgun like john elway or manning, then you can use zone read to slow the pursuit.
I believ no matter what nfl foundation offense you install, zone read shotgun and spread psitol need to be incorporated to best ustilize pryor damc reece moore and dhb.
LOL i hope for the sake of the haters, the front office doesnt see it the way i do, but some how I thin k that is a major part of the discussion in alameda at this very moment.
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a and priest are delusional. always “imagining” u know what’s being said in the raiders’ offices. hilarious. and so poor at guessing, since they have already SAID several times that palmer is the qb next season, and they would be made fun of by every team in the nfl if they put pryor in. keep dreaming little bitter one.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Greg Papa knews things after the fact, Cam Cameron is one of teh better OC’s in the game, but is he right for Pryor I don’t think so. I could be wrong but my first reaction is no.
Papa has said many times that Pryor is NOT the future QB for this team. He spread all kinds of mis-information concerning Pryor indicating he was somehow dumb. That he didn’t know the playbook and could run the huddle. He was shocked when Pryor did everything that he said he couldn’t do.
I tried calling Papa many times concerning Pryor and they simply refused to take my calls. Because he knew what I was going to say. Papa knows me and knows I used to work with Jon Kingdon and he also knows I was very adamant about drafting Pryor.
Now he has egg on his face, he wants to try to save face. But what he should do first is apologize to that kid for disseminating bad info on him in the first place…….period
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Mistic,
I just commented on the football, as you called it.
I also commented on your calling people names. Which you did, and then turned right around and got offended when someone did it to you with your own words.
I agree with a lot of what you say. It’s just that when you insult people that don’t buy what you’re selling, you can’t be offended when you get insulted right back.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Hue compounded that with the horrible Palmer trade.
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You mean Davis Jr compounded it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
dr rob.
you wrote that long diatribe but at its core its racist.
you are bring race into the discussion…..AGAIN
you will not get another response form me today
I outlined football you race bait
get lost racist
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Yes Dr_ Robert has alternative “hater” motives and should be ignored on this blog.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
I really enjoy reading the different posts on here and getting different perspectives, but seriously, the revisionist historians who are building scultpures of Hue to be placed in front of a new stadium entrance, just, I dunno, have to want better for the Raiders. Let’s aim a little higher.
Hue was a good OC and his first year as HC was a mixed result. Did he warrant a second year to coach? Yes, IMO. But he didn’t get that and we shouldn’t be lamenting his departure to the extent that a lot of people are.
Chucky gets run out of town – reason for debate, second guessing is valid.
Hue? – another coordinator in a long list of them that only Al would have made a HC, and only Al.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:13 pm
leinart was the #2 for a perfectly sound reason. he was an experienced former starter in the nfl. pryor was a raw throwing-challenged athlete. only when leinart sucked so badly it’s unlikely he will ever be in the league again, did they finally say “screw it. let’s see what he can do.” and they were right. h’es a raw throwing-challenged athlete.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
There is an absolute glut of over emotional fan worship on this board and it obscures the issues.
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Absolutely true. And the majority of us wish you’d knock it off.
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another non football related emotion driven response?
can you find flaw with the plan I laid out?
do you have any specific counters or just name calling
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here’s the major flaw: pryor sucks as a passer. and always will. end of story really.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
your love and pryor-worship will never change the facts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
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A truly successful rebuild has to include a young franchise QB. We don’t have that as of now. Palmer will be our QB next year. Fvck that rebuild talk. Defense is in rebuilding mode. Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again, IF we can get the right OC to utilize our players the correct way
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You still holding on to that “8-8 with potential” mind set.
Sorry but the Raiders went 4-14 which could have easily been 2-14. Some people called this a “rebuild” year. I was a “8-8 with potential” guy. That is OVER now. Move on. “Rebuild” it is
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I call this a “management sets us back 3 years” year.
We were 8-8 two years in a row so why would it be crazy to expect at least that?
Move on? What are you talking about? LOL. Move on from what exactly? “8-8 with potential mind set”? I think you r talking out your azz at this point.
“Rebuild” does NOT mean being relegated to 2-6 wins every year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Fair enough, Teach.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mistic is KILLING a lot of you cats with FACTS.
All you have in reply is he is a racist.
LMFAO
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only FACT that matters:
pryor sucks as a passer. everything else is pointless.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
It has nothing to do with Dennis Allen or Hue Jackson.
We were going into this regardless because of the cap hell.
Hue compounded that with the horrible Palmer trade.
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Even so….Campbell doesn’t get injured, and we aren’t having this conversation. We were doing pretty good when JC went down. I even had those…..”There goes the season” feelings when that happened. I don’t think ANYONE was comfortable with “Soldiering ON” with Boller.
I was on board with the trade when it went down. But sh*t didn’t pan out. It is what it is I guess.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
This team is not about to hire a OC based on what people believe would best fit the backup project QB.
jezuz people get a grip.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mist1c can you spare your gibberish
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Why are you dismissing what NFL defensive coordinators are saying?
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cuz pryor sucks at passing. get it?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Al Davis never rebuilt, he reloaded. His only problem was he had horrible aim.
Reggie decided not to reload and bring a knife to the gunfight.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:04 pm
The wave of the future is this new, forward passing offense. In this revoltionary system, athletic players instead of having the ball handed to them, run downfield and then the QB throws it to them. past the line of scrimmage. Many NFL teams are now incorporating some elements of this new idea their previously run oriented offensive schemes.
In order to be successful in this new era, teams will need a strong armed, accurate thrower at the QB position. Fortunately, the Raiders already possess one of the best in this particular skill area. Furthermore, many players on the Raiders offense: DMac, DHB, Myers, Reece, Ford, Streater … the list goes on, have had success in this forward passing scheme all the way back to their college days.
If you take emotions out of the situation, and don’t try to see backup players as more skilled than they actually are, then you can see the logical conclusion of pursuing a forward pass based offense.
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LOL 3 OF THE TOP FOUR YARDS PER COMPLETION LEADERS ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!
1. RGIII 8.14
2.P MANNIG 7.99
3.NEWTON 7.98
4. WILSON 7.93
you know you can loo this stuff up right?
wher is palmer on the list?
# 15
the option hybrid offense is built for the long ball!!!!!
oh yeah just happens to be where we have a glut of weapons that can get down field and where pryor excels
see the pass to streater sunday
the wave of the future is all about passing down field
you guys make this tooo easy
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
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pryor was 19/32 in the preseason 55%
he had 5 passes dropped on sunday that would have had him near 55%
he will be more accurate as he gets playing time and gets the timing down with wrs
He is as accurate as you need for a very young 23 year old
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I tend to agree. But he hasn’t shown enough quite yet. Of course, we need coaches that know how to develop him. But I just don’t think we can get rid of Palmer and hand the keys to TP yet.
I like what the 9ers did with Kap, giving him real playing time early in the season even when Smith was starting…evaluating him against live bullets in real games.
I think we should take the same approach next year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Papa seems to think just because he says something it’s fact. That if you disagree with him you are somehow not informed. When they opposite just might be more true.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
I still don’t understand why people here wants Mornhinweg as OC: his offense scored LESS POINTS than Knappy head. Another question: lets say that the ultimate goal for Big Reg and DA is to win a Lombardi for the Raiders. Do we have the QB on staff to do it? That’s what it boils down to. If the QB they need to win the Lombardi isn’t on the roster, then when will Reggie get “his guy?”
I know Castillo’s name been tossed around regarding the open OL position, but would he make a good OC? Of all the names tossed around so far, I’d prefer Kromer for OC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
You guys should be pizzed that Pryor is wasting his prime in this pipe dream of playing QB.
This guy could be a weapon….instead he will be sitting on the bench.
Tragic.
Ronald Curry needs to give him a call and talk some sense into him.
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pryor’s 70.8 rating puts him next to kordell stewart, who always better as a SLASH than as a qb.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm
This team is not about to hire a OC based on what people believe would best fit the backup project QB.
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So Pryor is starting?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I know Castillo’s name been tossed around regarding the open OL position, but would he make a good OC?
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Well we know he makes a horrible DC
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Retarded Dr Pepper.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:07 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:55 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Mistic-
Everything you’ve said I think will be probably on point: After next season.
1) Pryor just aint ready yet. And I, for one, haven’t seen enough of him to give him the keys.
2) On the laundry list of reasons our offense didn’t work, Palmer wasn’t even in the top 3. We still need the stability he gives us at that position
3) I think we are a good OC and 2-3 players away from a great offense, one that can utilize Palmer and TP, while TP is being groomed to take over possibly
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The “8-8 with potential”, “DMAC will be back with Palmer” talk is OVER. 4-12, 4-12, 4-12. It’s time to move on. It’s not going to happen with Palmer. Raiders are in “Rebuild” mode. They should be building NOTHING around Palmer. NOTHINING
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A truly successful rebuild has to include a young franchise QB. We don’t have that as of now. Palmer will be our QB next year. Fvck that rebuild talk. Defense is in rebuilding mode. Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again, IF we can get the right OC to utilize our players the correct way
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You still holding on to that “8-8 with potential” mind set.
Sorry but the Raiders went 4-14 which could have easily been 2-14. Some people called this a “rebuild” year. I was a “8-8 with potential” guy. That is OVER now. Move on. “Rebuild” it is
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I call this a “management sets us back 3 years” year.
We were 8-8 two years in a row so why would it be crazy to expect at least that?
Move on? What are you talking about? LOL. Move on from what exactly? “8-8 with potential mind set”? I think you r talking out your azz at this point.
“Rebuild” does NOT mean being relegated to 2-6 wins every year.
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Yes the “8-8 with potential mind set”= “DMAC will be back with Palmer. Fix the D and cut down on penalties.” That was last years talk
Now you are saying: Next season,
“Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again, IF we can get the right OC to utilize our players the correct way”
This team is not 8-8 with potential. You think going with Palmer again they will be 10-6 making a playoff run next season.
Now it’s more like 4-12 ??WTF?? Rebuild
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
is it an unwritten rule that we have to like either Palmer OR Pryor? No inbetween?
neither one of them is the answer or the problem. But together they make our QB position/depth a non clear and present danger part of the roster at the present moment and when you consider all the major holes the Raiders need to fill, that’s a good thing.
What I’m concerned about is bringing in an OC who has the brains to utilise them both (and other guys, #hashtag McFadden, Reece in particular) effectively.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
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pryor was 19/32 in the preseason 55%
he had 5 passes dropped on sunday that would have had him near 55%
he will be more accurate as he gets playing time and gets the timing down with wrs
He is as accurate as you need for a very young 23 year old
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I tend to agree. But he hasn’t shown enough quite yet. Of course, we need coaches that know how to develop him. But I just don’t think we can get rid of Palmer and hand the keys to TP yet.
I like what the 9ers did with Kap, giving him real playing time early in the season even when Smith was starting…evaluating him against live bullets in real games.
I think we should take the same approach next year.
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We should’ve taken that approach this year, however I do agree to a certain extent. But at this point they need to let them go to camp with a wide open competition. Let the best player win…………period
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman
My man @TerrellePryor showed me he can definitely play in the NFL and is a #Baller. #muchrespect
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Its crazy to me that we are going back and forth on the QB issue….when we have WRs that have continually made their QBs look bad all season
DHB – drop city
D Moore – wrong routes and caught the dropsies from DHB. Most disappointing player on the roster this year
We need a true #1 WR and a a competent OC. That alone would turn the offense around
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Something else to consider Reece dhb Moore & dmac make an interesting quartet becuase all 4 are threats to score either catching a pass or running from scrimmage.
Dhb & Moore have both proven dangerous runni g reverses. Dmac and reef running with handoffs.
This gives the raiders a very unique group of skill players to match with Pryor.
The possibilities for ghost motions play actions & qb runs are endless & at any time the qb can fake pull up & throw the ball to any of those guys.
Any oc needs to understand & exploit this truly one of kind team of speedster skill players.
To miss this opportunity in an offense that doesn’t employ option with this collection of players would be beyond foly. Especially in the face of watching teams that do use those systems in the playoffs. For the record Seattle. & Washington nor sf have the speed that we do with fire dhb Moore dmac streetrr & Reece.
C’mon oakland get with the times
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Mistic1 I don’t think there is a question the Raiders will take Pryor into consideration with the new OC. The Raiders have seen the light and already have plans with the eye in Pryor’s development.
Not even a worry……it’s been mandated. That much is very clear.
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ur making all of that up. there hasn’t been one word that suggests any of it. in fact, the opposite.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:25 pm
but what if kordell played in the system like rgIII or wilson or netwon?
he would have been far better
prime example of the wave of the future held back by out dated concepts and old thinking
Took a player and put him in various systems, yet never truly built an offense that suited his unique skill set
however thanks to guys like kordell we have now reached a tipping point where coaches are realizing just how to use these guys in the nfl
if there never was a a kordell
there would never be an RGIII
Koredll should be viewed as a martyr
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 12:47 pm
pryor and the hybrid is the way to go
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says no one involved with the raiders.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RaidO try this:
Formulate a thought, express it in detail and back it up with evidence.
It works wonders when trying to make a point.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Dr Rob, You’re a petty little hateful btch.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Listening to the Radio, Greg Papa said he wants Cam Cameron as the next OC. I’ve no idea about Cam but Papa thinks he can revive McFadden’s career.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Carson Palmer has the pocket presence of a jelly doughnut.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
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pryor was 19/32 in the preseason 55%
he had 5 passes dropped on sunday that would have had him near 55%
he will be more accurate as he gets playing time and gets the timing down with wrs
He is as accurate as you need for a very young 23 year old
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I tend to agree. But he hasn’t shown enough quite yet. Of course, we need coaches that know how to develop him. But I just don’t think we can get rid of Palmer and hand the keys to TP yet.
I like what the 9ers did with Kap, giving him real playing time early in the season even when Smith was starting…evaluating him against live bullets in real games.
I think we should take the same approach next year.
*************************************
We should’ve taken that approach this year, however I do agree to a certain extent. But at this point they need to let them go to camp with a wide open competition. Let the best player win…………period
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I’m always down with open competition
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:01 pm
We have the right QB who can operate these new offensive systems
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no. u have to be able to pass the ball. pryor can’t.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
And why yall even mention the names of trolls on this blog is beyond me.
Ignore them, and they go away. Thats how it works.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Theres no qb controversy cp will retire i heard it before DA presser,yet when the question is asks he did his lying thing `well u know ahh u know` check it out,he knows Palmer is retiring hes just not gonna show his hand yet
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Papa says Pryor is intriguing and exciting and can play in the pro offense but he would EXCEL in an offense tailored to his Strengths
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one that requires no passing?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
D Moore – wrong routes and caught the dropsies from DHB. Most disappointing player on the roster this year
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Complete………WTF happened to that kid? I can’t beleive how many passes he clanked this year, and didn’t lay out either…Ball thrown a little too far….”Mehh, I’ll just jog it out and return to the huddle.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Mistic1, Just watch when they see Pryor in preseason they will be shocked how much he has improved. This is why i say let them fight it out in camp. I know what’s going to happen, Pryor will separate himself from the field. Everyone will be surprised shocked and some miffed at the progress this kid will make this offseason. They will be expecting a similar showing of what they saw in the laast game.
Pryor by the time we get to camp will be soo much better it wont be a question who gives the Raiders the best chance to win……….just watch what I’m telling ya’
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Ok im out for now
NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO COUNTER WHAT I POSTED FROM A BUSINESS OR FOOTBALL PHILOSPHY OR STRATEGY STAND POINT
at least some of you under stand the argument
today has clealry exposed that most of the anti pryor guys dont even know the basics about the hybrid offense that is crushing the nfl right now
they and the raiders are behind the times in this regard
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I’m not race baiting, so disregard this if you think it is. I actually asked the same thing way back in the season but would be curious to see how the demographics have changed after we’ve seen Pryor play.
My theory is that there is a very strong correlation between race and preference for Pryor or Palmer. I believe it falls under the category of human nature to be subliminally supportive of one’s own class, creed, race, religion, political affiliation, whatever.
My secondary, supporting postulate is that a majority of those that think Pryor is, or will be an NFL caliber starting QB believed so before seeing his start, and that the results changed few if anyone’s opinion either way. If you wanted him to be successful you saw a lot more of the positives than the negatives and if you were predisposed to thinking he is not of that caliber you saw more negative than positive.
Of those that saw Pryor’s week 17 start, from a sociological perspective, it’d be interesting to view the data if enough people answered the three questions below:
1) Did you believe Pryor would be a starting caliber NFL QB before his start?
2) Do you think Pryor will be a starting caliber QB after seeing his start?
3) What is your race?
Again, in full disclaimer mode, this is not intended to be racist just because it brings a poster’s race into the equation. It is intended to help understand if there is a strong racial correlation in the support of a player as means to explain the many accusations and undertones of racism alluded to in this blog. As an informal scientific study, this is designed to open people’s eyes and to help unite a very divided Raiders nation.
If you don’t believe it is as intended, then please skip past it and any subsequent responses.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Plunkdiction time
Dennis Allen will prove himself to be an NFL coach.
Next year the defense will play lights out. The offense will improve drastically as well.
Mark my words and I will eat a cactus if I am wrong.
I would not even think about hiring an old fat retread that wants a paycheck and his name on the big boss door.
I want young coaches who relate to players and that’s Tarver and DA.
Next years team will be all in and they will go through brick doors for the coaches and each other.
BEST YEAR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RaidO try this:
Formulate a thought, express it in detail and back it up with evidence.
It works wonders when trying to make a point.
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Says the guy: I call this a “management sets us back 3 years” year.
Also according to you: “Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again,”
LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Pryor throws the ball fine he just needs to be consistent. Only played one game.
He threw a dime in the bread basket to streater for 38 yards in the rain. Stop being silly. U guys sound foolish.
But I get it.. most of u are TROLLIN ON 22’s not working.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
GreatWhiteRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
is it an unwritten rule that we have to like either Palmer OR Pryor? No inbetween?
neither one of them is the answer or the problem. But together they make our QB position/depth a non clear and present danger part of the roster at the present moment and when you consider all the major holes the Raiders need to fill, that’s a good thing.
What I’m concerned about is bringing in an OC who has the brains to utilise them both (and other guys, #hashtag McFadden, Reece in particular) effectively.
>>>>>
No kidding. QB is about the ONLY position of strength the Raiders have (a top ten starter and a flawed rising star backup) and Mistic and his brethren won’t let anyone here talk about anything else.
Its why anytime I see Mistic (the IQ Vacuum) posting here I leave and stop back later.
Like now… poof
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:34 pm
282…lmao…da a coach…penalty coach?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Are you going to be the 1st one to answer your 3 questions, lol?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Must have my head up my @$$…because I was very impressed with Pryor’s play on Sunday…heck, depending on what Palmer wants…I say trade him to a team like Arizona or the Jets.
Don’t get me wrong a lot of the passes were ducks, but he still looked better than Blaine Gabbert. Pryor was lucky he didn’t throw +3 picks out there the way his receivers were playing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Stats dont tell the whole truth sometimes.
Baseball is the only sport where numbers dont lie.
***********
stats do tell the truth. liars lie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
He threw a dime in the bread basket to streater for 38 yards in the rain.
>>>>
he also had about 20 mediocre to horrible throws.. and he focused in on his primary receiver every time he was in the shotgun. The guy simply is not READY.
This subject makes me want to brush my eyes out with peroxide…
poof
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Palmer or Pryor with DA at the helm.
I wonder how many nationally televised games the Raiders will play in this season?
Season tickets should go like hotcakes.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:37 pm
stats do tell the truth. liars lie
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and Trolls troll
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
dr rob.
you wrote that long diatribe but at its core its racist.
you are bring race into the discussion…..AGAIN
you will not get another response form me today
I outlined football you race bait
get lost racist
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LOL. i’m racist for pointing out ur racism? slippery little snake aren’t u?
pryor can’t pass. address it lying coward.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
My secondary, supporting postulate is that a majority of those that think Pryor is, or will be an NFL caliber starting QB believed so before seeing his start, and that the results changed few if anyone’s opinion either way. If you wanted him to be successful you saw a lot more of the positives than the negatives and if you were predisposed to thinking he is not of that caliber you saw more negative than positive.
+++++++++++++
Not sure if this is accurate. Bill williamson who is a writer for ESPN has never said anything positive about PRYOR however, his blog psot suggest that even he has changed his tune;
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/53175/much-left-to-do-in-afc-west
Pryor prove himself? I really liked what I saw from Terrelle Pryor on Sunday. He showed leadership, poise and heart.
He is not a finished product, but I think there is something Oakland can work with. There are a lot of young, dynamic quarterbacks in this league. I think Oakland had to make developing Pryor quickly a priority. Carson Palmer is 33, expensive, and not improving.
If Pryor makes big strides in the offseason, I don’t think it would be a terrible idea for Oakland to consider handing him the starting job. This team will be still rebuilding for the next couple of years. Might as well give the kid a chance.
BTW Williamson is White.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Plunkdiction time
Dennis Allen will prove himself to be an NFL coach.
Next year the defense will play lights out. The offense will improve drastically as well.
Mark my words and I will eat a cactus if I am wrong.
I would not even think about hiring an old fat retread that wants a paycheck and his name on the big boss door.
I want young coaches who relate to players and that’s Tarver and DA.
Next years team will be all in and they will go through brick doors for the coaches and each other.
BEST YEAR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Better HC than Cable?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
GreatWhiteRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
is it an unwritten rule that we have to like either Palmer OR Pryor? No inbetween?
neither one of them is the answer or the problem. But together they make our QB position/depth a non clear and present danger part of the roster at the present moment and when you consider all the major holes the Raiders need to fill, that’s a good thing.
What I’m concerned about is bringing in an OC who has the brains to utilise them both (and other guys, #hashtag McFadden, Reece in particular) effectively.
>>>>>
No kidding. QB is about the ONLY position of strength the Raiders have (a top ten starter and a flawed rising star backup) and Mistic and his brethren won’t let anyone here talk about anything else.
Its why anytime I see Mistic (the IQ Vacuum) posting here I leave and stop back later.
Like now… poof
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I would not call Palmer “strength” at QB. It’s like saying Tony Romo and Carson Palmer are winning QB’s.
That would be a big lie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Raider (since 1967)
We can’t be more Stupid and more Wrong that last year!
Face it. Can we do all these Mistake again?
#1- Hire enept and bad Oc – Knapp 4-12 and 5-11 .★
Years in the Nfl his team never made.better than 10th on OF
#2- Bad choise on Special team coaches ! How many punt ran back vs Raiders- like 6 too many to start a game
#3-Weak Defensive Coach and 2-3.assistant !
#4-Weak Stengh and Endurance assis.
#5- Lack of Good Scouting missing opportunities like-Qb MANNING -2012 ELI MANNING 2009-2010 -and Andrew Luck /R3rd.
#6 Lack of Respect,Leadership, Heart, Honesty.ect
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:40 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Stats dont tell the whole truth sometimes.
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But the W/L ’s tell the truth.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:40 pm
he also had about 20 mediocre to horrible throws.. and he focused in on his primary receiver every time he was in the shotgun. The guy simply is not READY.
This subject makes me want to brush my eyes out with peroxide…
poof
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He also scored 3tds including leading the Team on its first touching drive in 3 weeks.
Also had the first Rushing touchdown since week 7
Also etented and made plays with his feet while taking ZERO Sacks. Not bad for his first start in 2 1/2 years while half team practice reps.
He also showed leadership, fire, and had the offense up to par with the calls and go them to hte line with no delays all in a KNAPP led offense
POOF POOF BOOM
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Greg Papa knews things after the fact, Cam Cameron is one of teh better OC’s in the game, but is he right for Pryor I don’t think so. I could be wrong but my first reaction is no.
Papa has said many times that Pryor is NOT the future QB for this team. He spread all kinds of mis-information concerning Pryor indicating he was somehow dumb. That he didn’t know the playbook and could run the huddle. He was shocked when Pryor did everything that he said he couldn’t do.
I tried calling Papa many times concerning Pryor and they simply refused to take my calls. Because he knew what I was going to say. Papa knows me and knows I used to work with Jon Kingdon and he also knows I was very adamant about drafting Pryor.
Now he has egg on his face, he wants to try to save face. But what he should do first is apologize to that kid for disseminating bad info on him in the first place…….period
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LOL! funniest thing i’ve ever heard! he tried calling papa! and papa refused to take his calls! hahahhahaha!!!! priceless!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
dr rob.
you wrote that long diatribe but at its core its racist.
you are bring race into the discussion…..AGAIN
you will not get another response form me today
I outlined football you race bait
get lost racist
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Yes Dr_ Robert has alternative “hater” motives and should be ignored on this blog.
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stfu moron. ur only defense is to call me racist uz i’m so much smarter than u. what a clown. total embarrassment.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I’m not race baiting, so disregard this if you think it is. I actually asked the same thing way back in the season but would be curious to see how the demographics have changed after we’ve seen Pryor play.
My theory is that there is a very strong correlation between race and preference for Pryor or Palmer. I believe it falls under the category of human nature to be subliminally supportive of one’s own class, creed, race, religion, political affiliation, whatever.
My secondary, supporting postulate is that a majority of those that think Pryor is, or will be an NFL caliber starting QB believed so before seeing his start, and that the results changed few if anyone’s opinion either way. If you wanted him to be successful you saw a lot more of the positives than the negatives and if you were predisposed to thinking he is not of that caliber you saw more negative than positive.
Of those that saw Pryor’s week 17 start, from a sociological perspective, it’d be interesting to view the data if enough people answered the three questions below:
1) Did you believe Pryor would be a starting caliber NFL QB before his start?
2) Do you think Pryor will be a starting caliber QB after seeing his start?
3) What is your race?
Again, in full disclaimer mode, this is not intended to be racist just because it brings a poster’s race into the equation. It is intended to help understand if there is a strong racial correlation in the support of a player as means to explain the many accusations and undertones of racism alluded to in this blog. As an informal scientific study, this is designed to open people’s eyes and to help unite a very divided Raiders nation.
If you don’t believe it is as intended, then please skip past it and any subsequent responses.
########
From a sociological perspective I get where you are coming from, although I think you should also include questions about Palmer. All g. I will play along.
1) No
2) Quite possibly but only with the right coach/system
3) Black
Now I gotta qualify: I think 80-90 percent of ALL QBs need the right coach/system in order to be successful.
Also, feelings about Carson Palmer need to be factored in. I like him. To me his achilles heel is INTs at the worst possible time. I haven’t soured on him because the coaches managed to make our entire offense a joke. QB and RB are our strengths.
Backup QBs in general are some of the more popular players because they provide hope (often false) for a greater tomorrow
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
We had the top rusher in the game 9 times this season.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Plunketthead Says:
Plunkdiction time
Dennis Allen will prove himself to be an NFL coach.
Next year the defense will play lights out. The offense will improve drastically as well.
Mark my words and I will eat a cactus if I am wrong.
I would not even think about hiring an old fat retread that wants a paycheck and his name on the big boss door.
I want young coaches who relate to players and that’s Tarver and DA.
Next years team will be all in and they will go through brick doors for the coaches and each other.
BEST YEAR EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
—————————————–
I don’t know if it will be the best year ever, but I do think it’s going to be much better.
I wonder if we could get a little bet between the DA haters and DA non-haters going here. Set an over/under on wins. Losers disappear from here for good (or at least switch to another ID since some seem to do that anyway after being banned). A push and we all continue to fight over things beyond our control for another year.
Takers? Might be hard to even get agreement on the over/under around here. LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:38 pm
My secondary, supporting postulate is that a majority of those that think Pryor is, or will be an NFL caliber starting QB believed so before seeing his start, and that the results changed few if anyone’s opinion either way. If you wanted him to be successful you saw a lot more of the positives than the negatives and if you were predisposed to thinking he is not of that caliber you saw more negative than positive.
+++++++++++++
Not sure if this is accurate. Bill williamson who is a writer for ESPN has never said anything positive about PRYOR however, his blog psot suggest that even he has changed his tune;
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/53175/much-left-to-do-in-afc-west
Pryor prove himself? I really liked what I saw from Terrelle Pryor on Sunday. He showed leadership, poise and heart.
He is not a finished product, but I think there is something Oakland can work with. There are a lot of young, dynamic quarterbacks in this league. I think Oakland had to make developing Pryor quickly a priority. Carson Palmer is 33, expensive, and not improving.
If Pryor makes big strides in the offseason, I don’t think it would be a terrible idea for Oakland to consider handing him the starting job. This team will be still rebuilding for the next couple of years. Might as well give the kid a chance.
***************************************
Thec, you think the are coming around now. You haven’t seen nothin’ yet wait until they see this kid in preseason……….He’s going to knock their socks off. That was really a bad glimpse into this kids ultimate potential. They will see what he is really capable of in camp.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
This team is not about to hire a OC based on what people believe would best fit the backup project QB.
jezuz people get a grip.
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LOL! these people are the stupidest fans on earth. it’s embarrassing to have them as raiders fans. it’s like we’re the griswolds, and they’re cousin eddie and his family.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:33 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RaidO try this:
Formulate a thought, express it in detail and back it up with evidence.
It works wonders when trying to make a point.
——————-
Says the guy: I call this a “management sets us back 3 years” year.
Also according to you: “Offense, like I said, is 2-3 players away from being dynamic again,”
LOL
######
Thanks for proving my point. Moving on now…
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
This team is not about to hire a OC based on what people believe would best fit the backup project QB.
jezuz people get a grip.
********
LOL! these people are the stupidest fans on earth. it’s embarrassing to have them as raiders fans. it’s like we’re the griswolds, and they’re cousin eddie and his family.
____
Every time I belch, the plate shifts and my legs give out. But man, what a view.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Cork seems to be somewhat impressed by Pryor. I thought he did very well in some areas.
I love his ability to move around and make some things happen.
Nobody’s giving him credit for finding Moore wide open in the endzone and i think it’s possible that it was Pryor’s scrambling around that CAUSED him to be open. Someone said that Weddle “slipped” which could’ve been a result of running around to keep up with Moore as Pryor was scrambling.
I think we have to give credit where it is due but be honest about where Pryor is at currently as well.
The wetness on the ball may have had a factor in Pryors “ducks”…I don’t know.
Pryor did run for a nice 3rd down which would not have happened with Palmer.
We lost the game…but there’s a lot I liked about Pryor.
I’ll tell u this for sure…we need guys that can CATCH THE DANG BALL…and run BACK TO THE BALL when neccessary.
There were at least 4 balls that should’ve been caught imo, that were not.
That has to be fixed or NO QB on our team is gonna win.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I am a Pryor supporter, and can guarantee he can win more games than Palmer period the end. My wish is to have Palmer gone.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:18 pm
LOL 3 OF THE TOP FOUR YARDS PER COMPLETION LEADERS ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!
1. RGIII 8.14
2.P MANNIG 7.99
3.NEWTON 7.98
4. WILSON 7.93
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but NOT PRYOR!!! LOL. ur too dumb for words.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I don’t know if it will be the best year ever, but I do think it’s going to be much better.
I wonder if we could get a little bet between the DA haters and DA non-haters going here. Set an over/under on wins. Losers disappear from here for good (or at least switch to another ID since some seem to do that anyway after being banned). A push and we all continue to fight over things beyond our control for another year.
Takers? Might be hard to even get agreement on the over/under around here. LOL
O/U 5
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Papa seems to think just because he says something it’s fact. That if you disagree with him you are somehow not informed. When they opposite just might be more true.
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u should call him and tell him that. oh wait. he’s still not taking ur calls! LOL!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I’ll tell u this for sure…we need guys that can CATCH THE DANG BALL…and run BACK TO THE BALL when neccessary.
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No doubt. Big problem with this team.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:48 pm
I’ll take the over.
Easy money.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Reggie needs to hire an OC to fix what Reggie screwed up.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:49 pm
DA is not the problem
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
DJ you are right, it is about time Reggie gets Pryor coached up in the off season and ready to take over at qb. He looked good sunday, and he does scare defenses.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
I blame Reggie more than DA.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:25 pm
but what if kordell played in the system like rgIII or wilson or netwon?
he would have been far better
prime example of the wave of the future held back by out dated concepts and old thinking
Took a player and put him in various systems, yet never truly built an offense that suited his unique skill set
however thanks to guys like kordell we have now reached a tipping point where coaches are realizing just how to use these guys in the nfl
if there never was a a kordell
there would never be an RGIII
Koredll should be viewed as a martyr
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first of all, kordell would have to pass the ball better.
secondly, he’s a martyr? ur obscene. u equate football to slavery and martyrdom. ur sickening.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
D Moore – wrong routes and caught the dropsies from DHB. Most disappointing player on the roster this year
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Complete………WTF happened to that kid? I can’t beleive how many passes he clanked this year, and didn’t lay out either…Ball thrown a little too far….”Mehh, I’ll just jog it out and return to the huddle.”
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Knapp happened. D Moore has an attitude problem. Only locks in under certain circumstances. Hue was coaching all the WRs up man. That’s what I liked about him. Guys like D Moore respond to egos like Hue had. He took our strengths and played to them. Look no further than DHB’s stas from last year to prove my point
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I don’t know if it will be the best year ever, but I do think it’s going to be much better.
I wonder if we could get a little bet between the DA haters and DA non-haters going here. Set an over/under on wins. Losers disappear from here for good (or at least switch to another ID since some seem to do that anyway after being banned). A push and we all continue to fight over things beyond our control for another year.
Takers? Might be hard to even get agreement on the over/under around here. LOL
O/U 5
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I would jump all over that one. May have to wait until after the draft, or even into training camp, to get broad approval. We’ll call it the Fickle Cliff.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
I’ll tell u this for sure…we need guys that can CATCH THE DANG BALL…and run BACK TO THE BALL when neccessary.
There were at least 4 balls that should’ve been caught imo, that were not.
That has to be fixed or NO QB on our team is gonna win.
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Absolute man……. That’s part of the bottom line.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Dr Rob, You’re a petty little hateful btch.
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care to support that idiocy with some sort of proof?
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Dakota, would it hurt Pryor’s development to play WR on Sundays? I say it’d help his overall understanding of the game…
Just learn the route tree baby!
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I am a Pryor supporter, and can guarantee he can win more games than Palmer period the end. My wish is to have Palmer gone.
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Exacatly, sometime in the season when Palmer plays average or sucky like usual(int machine) “everybody” will calling for TP to play. This will happen. I repeat THIS WILL HAPPEN. No need to waste the time, money, and create drama. Imagine those first couple Palmer INT’s? Cut Palmer
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
*exactly
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Carson Palmer has the pocket presence of a jelly doughnut.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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ur insulting to football knowledge and comedy all at once.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Man so great to hear all these former NFL players giving credit to Pryor saying he can play the qb.
I know it makes all the haters really angry too. hahaha
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Dakota, would it hurt Pryor’s development to play WR on Sundays? I say it’d help his overall understanding of the game…
Just learn the route tree baby!
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Word on the street is, he allready knows they playbook.
that would include the route tree….
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm
LOL 3 OF THE TOP FOUR YARDS PER COMPLETION LEADERS ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!
1. RGIII 8.14
2.P MANNIG 7.99
3.NEWTON 7.98
4. WILSON 7.93
you know you can loo this stuff up right?
wher is palmer on the list?
# 15
the option hybrid offense is built for the long ball!!!!!
oh yeah just happens to be where we have a glut of weapons that can get down field and where pryor excels
see the pass to streater sunday
the wave of the future is all about passing down field
you guys make this tooo easy
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Yards per completion is a ridiculously stupid stat. If I never throw the ball less than 50 yards in the air, then I’m guaranteed at least 50 yards per completion if I achieve as little as one catch.
That said, you were actually quoting a more meaningful Yard per ATTEMPT stat, so I give you a pass there
What you neglect to mention is that those players all throw the ball far less than the top 10 passing QBs in the thing that matters more — yards per game. In fact, the highest ranked among them is Cam way down at #15 — you know, that same ranking spot that you villianized CP for. Then you have RGIII at #22 and Wilson almost last in the NFL at #29.
But if you really believe in the YPA stat, then you know who sits higher than all of them? Kirk Cousins (at 9.71), ostensibly running the same system that RGIII did but better. That’s gotta sting!
Anyway, when you pass less frequently, as all of the so-called wave players do, they have more of an element of surprise to gain yards. That only works when you have a good running game. Morris was the #2 yards gainer on the ground this year supporting RGIII and Lynch was #3 supporting Wilson. Gannon also had his best passing seasons when he had Wheatley as a top 3 rusher, go figure.
As long as that running game is strong, good things happen. That’s pretty tough to refute while maintaining even the tiniest piece of credibility with football knowledge. If that running game has to be supported by your QB doing a big chunk of it, they will get hurt and then you are foobar, given that these are such scarce talents that have that combination of athleticism, brains and throwing ability.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:53 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:23 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:08 pm
I love the IDEA of TP being our QB of the future. I’ve been screaming for him to get on the field more. And I liked a lot of what I saw, especially no delay of games, no false starts, no timeouts for a change.
But those of you who are ready to give him the keys based on what we saw on Sunday? You are speaking with your heart not your brain. Until he can accurately throw from the pocket on a consistent basis, he’s not a QB we can build around.
And this is coming from a huge TP supporter
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pryor was 19/32 in the preseason 55%
he had 5 passes dropped on sunday that would have had him near 55%
he will be more accurate as he gets playing time and gets the timing down with wrs
He is as accurate as you need for a very young 23 year old
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I tend to agree. But he hasn’t shown enough quite yet. Of course, we need coaches that know how to develop him. But I just don’t think we can get rid of Palmer and hand the keys to TP yet.
I like what the 9ers did with Kap, giving him real playing time early in the season even when Smith was starting…evaluating him against live bullets in real games.
I think we should take the same approach next year.
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We should’ve taken that approach this year, however I do agree to a certain extent. But at this point they need to let them go to camp with a wide open competition. Let the best player win…………period
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I’m always down with open competition
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pryor hasn’t earned an open competition, unless ur talking about backup.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:54 pm
I just listened to the Papa interview. He said he’d like to have Hue back (realizing that would never happened) and said he really wanted Cameron as OC, pointing out that thats where Hue came from. Interesting.
Sidenote: first time I heard Papa give an interview. He sounds like a pompous d-bag for real
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:54 pm
I’m fired up to find out who the OCoord is gunna be!
Hope I’m not crestfallen like last January. F’in Greg Knapp?!?! what a junk show…
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:16 pm
This team is not about to hire a OC based on what people believe would best fit the backup project QB.
jezuz people get a grip.
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LOL! these people are the stupidest fans on earth. it’s embarrassing to have them as raiders fans. it’s like we’re the griswolds, and they’re cousin eddie and his family.
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Opinions are what makes this blog interesting. I can disagree without putting someone down. When the founders of this blog made it, it was discussion. Not anger management. I like Palmer and Pryor. I see both sides. Palmers needs to cut down on int.s and he will when we get better coaching. And Pryor needs to improve his arm a bit and he will when we get better coaches. TP is a good one. Just cuz u want him at WR doesn’t mean he won’t develope into a QB. After all, his development was impeded this year under the oppressive knapp regime. He will get better. I have faith in him. Palmer has one more season to figure it out. I believe he can with correct and proper coached. And Palmer is a great mentor and TP has even said so many times. Best of both worlds there. Peace and goodwill towards all.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Ok im out for now
NO ONE HAS BEEN ABLE TO COUNTER WHAT I POSTED FROM A BUSINESS OR FOOTBALL PHILOSPHY OR STRATEGY STAND POINT
at least some of you under stand the argument
today has clealry exposed that most of the anti pryor guys dont even know the basics about the hybrid offense that is crushing the nfl right now
they and the raiders are behind the times in this regard
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i knoe everything about it and i’m for it. i run a version of it myself.
but pryor can’t pass. end of the offense.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:55 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Dakota, would it hurt Pryor’s development to play WR on Sundays? I say it’d help his overall understanding of the game…
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Out of all the “Professional comments” that I have seen not one questions his ” understanding the game”.
“Professional comments” meaining, those who get payed to opine or comment on NFL football.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:56 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW….
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Raider (since 1967)
The ” Torch has Pass to a new generation of BABY RAIDERS ”
Our Mission is not to fail again. To gather all the Info we can on players and coaches and Spy on the other Teams. Make moves ahead of them.Like MANNING to the DONKEES and RG III to
Shana$hit -Wash.
REGGIE Dept -should now have a 1yr.-Operation on-
“SCANNING THE ROAD AHEAD FOR THE RAIDERS “★
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Knowing the playbook or route tree is great. Knowing how to RUN/execute the WR position is another matter entirely. I think Pryor needs to be on the field on Sundays is all.
Thought he played pretty well last week. Not awe shocking but certainly something to build on.
But that cat would be DEVASTATING at wideout. Kid can fly for someone so big…
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Why would you fire Reggie? His hands were pretty much tied this year with skepticism about the state of the Raiders by potential head coaches, salary cap issues, bad players on the team (signed before him, with guaranteed contracts), lack of draft picks, etc…
Get real
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Hue got the most out of his offensive personnel.
Reggie is ruining the career’s of his offensive personnel.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Lets stop with the TP vs CP stuff. It’s a dead issue. CP will be our starter, TP could use one more year to marinate.
Lets talk about what really needs to happen with this team. You know, the stuff we ALL seem to agree are the issues.
DE – Should we use our first pick on D Moore from A&M to fill this spot?
WR – Which free agent should we get and why and at what price?
CB – Where do we find our true #1 CB… the draft or free agency?
Other notable things needing to discuss:
Cuts – Who stays and who goes?
Seymour – cost prohibitive? Promote Bilikudi
Kelly – cost prohibitive? Promote Bryant
Shaunessy – lost his nickname due to his dissappearing act this year.
Branch or Mitchell – ?
Move Huff back to FS or keep him as our #2?
Barnes – he’s got to go. How do we replace him?
Wiz 2.0 – Move him back to LG or keep him at C for good?
TE – Meyers isnt worth the money if he cant block. But he is worth keeping around if he’s going to be relatively cheap considering his big numbers
Bergstrom/Nix – Can these guys replace Briesel and Carlisle?
LB – We need more depth here
Leadership – Who is going to finally take control of this defense?
OC – and of course, who is our OC going to be?
.
BTW, I like that we kept Sessions. I like any guy that can catch the ball.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Lets stop with the TP vs CP stuff. It’s a dead issue. CP will be our starter, TP could use one more year to marinate.
Lets talk about what really needs to happen with this team. You know, the stuff we ALL seem to agree are the issues.
DE – Should we use our first pick on D Moore from A&M to fill this spot?
WR – Which free agent should we get and why and at what price?
CB – Where do we find our true #1 CB… the draft or free agency?
Other notable things needing to discuss:
Cuts – Who stays and who goes?
Seymour – cost prohibitive? Promote Bilikudi
Kelly – cost prohibitive? Promote Bryant
Shaunessy – lost his nickname due to his dissappearing act this year.
Branch or Mitchell – ?
Move Huff back to FS or keep him as our #2?
Barnes – he’s got to go. How do we replace him?
Wiz 2.0 – Move him back to LG or keep him at C for good?
TE – Meyers isnt worth the money if he cant block. But he is worth keeping around if he’s going to be relatively cheap considering his big numbers
Bergstrom/Nix – Can these guys replace Briesel and Carlisle?
LB – We need more depth here
RB – Keep Stewart. He looked good in the ZBS
Leadership – Who is going to finally take control of this defense?
OC – and of course, who is our OC going to be?
.
BTW, I like that we kept Sessions. I like any guy that can catch the ball.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
Sidenote: first time I heard Papa give an interview. He sounds like a pompous d-bag for real
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What is that weird effect they use on his microphone? It sounds like he is still on AM radio.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm
BTW, I like that we kept Sessions. I like any guy that can catch the ball.
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Open competition at WR position that is for sure.
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm
, I can’t believe you guys are holding onto Palmers jock. Stop it, a stupid trade that has us partly in the crapper today. Palmer is done!!! Stop it trade him do whatever, but I want Pryor as qb, get him a real OC and we will see a big difference next year.yes we need a good draft a d yes we need a couple of good Fa’s for sure, but to be tied to a overpriced overrated qb, sorry don’t want that next season, and yes I know what I am talking about.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
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LOL! played for the #3 team in the country. high school coach. defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
What is that weird effect they use on his microphone? It sounds like he is still on AM radio.
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lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Some people in here do not seem to understand the salary cap and how it affects how one manages a pro football team.
Cutting Carson Bomber would DIRECTLY lower our cap (by somewhere over $10MILL) while at the same time reduce the number of football players we have on the roster.
They call that LOSE/LOSE for those unable to see the implications on their own…
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Hue got the most out of his offensive personnel.
Reggie is ruining the career’s of his offensive personnel.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Reggie needs to hire a GM.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
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LOL! played for the #3 team in the country. high school coach. defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
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dirtbag.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dr. I am thoroughly impressed what did you coach girls soccer? Take you negative pryor talk out of here.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Nob. You are not fooling anyone. What school?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Are you going to be the 1st one to answer your 3 questions, lol?
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I thought about it but didn’t want to poison the waters, at least in the same post.
But my answers are:
1) No f-in chance
2) Highly unlikely
3) West European American
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:46 pm
I am a Pryor supporter, and can guarantee he can win more games than Palmer period the end. My wish is to have Palmer gone.
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and u called me the moron.
well, it’s me and all the stupid gm’s and coaches in the nfl, against u and priest and missdick.
lol!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:03 pm
I most liked pryors play where sd sent the safety blitz and he shook 2 defenders and got the ball off, where palmer or leinart would have been sacked. Once he gets his mechanics up to par pryor will be a force to be reckoned with.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:03 pm
And to TRADE a player, one has to find a partner to TAKE the player in question. There are cap ramifications there as well….
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:03 pm
I most liked pryors play where sd sent the safety blitz and he shook 2 defenders and got the ball off, where palmer or leinart would have been sacked. Once he gets his mechanics up to par pryor will be a force to be reckoned with.
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Week before the disc sacked jest qb 11 times.
Liono or Palmer would have not faired much better IMO.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Great your making me cry, keep carrying that torch for palmer, under 500 again next year if he is a starter.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:05 pm
@360: truedat!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Palmer as a starter next year, raiders go 6-10 new coach new gm.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Some people in here do not seem to understand the salary cap and how it affects how one manages a pro football team.
Cutting Carson Bomber would DIRECTLY lower our cap (by somewhere over $10MILL) while at the same time reduce the number of football players we have on the roster.
They call that LOSE/LOSE for those unable to see the implications on their own…
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This would NOT be a wise business decision.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
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LOL! played for the #3 team in the country. high school coach. defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
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dirtbag.
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great response.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Yes doc rob what schools did you play and coach for?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
QB is NOT the Raider’s problem.
We have a BUNCH of problems but QB isn’t one of them.
Is the 2013 draft the time we FINALLY see the RAIDERS trade down and collect picks like the smart teams do?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:07 pm
The Raiders will not sniff 500 under Reggie.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dr. I am thoroughly impressed what did you coach girls soccer? Take you negative pryor talk out of here.
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read the post knitwit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:07 pm
CP has helped TP more than Knapp and his croonies.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
If reggie and DA want to save their jobs, suck it up get rid of palmer and make pryor the starter
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Nob. You are not fooling anyone. What school?
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i’m not gonna tell u what school idiot.
u should know i’m knowledgable cuz i make so much sense.
but i speak calculus, while some of u are doing addition (poorly).
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
SUP BLOG GOOBS
Just lettin yawl kno I be gettin my groove on. Been holdin this deuce in for some time. But we gonna groove and splooge.
SPLOOGE TIME BRAHS. HOLLA.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
I’m sure we will keep Pryor but he raised his value to at least a 2nd rounder after the Finale.
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Only the eyes of a Raiders fan. In the eyes of 31 other teams, here are the facts.
- None were willing to spend a 2nd two seasons back when he came with more promise than ever out of college
- He then spent a full season unable to get himself on the field for more than one, blown play. And that with Hue and his crazy play calling at the helm.
- Lots of tape of him looking lost and clueless in the preseason, along with one decent series against 3rd round scrubs. QBs that get cut in camp have looked better in preseasons.
- Another 14 games of hearing the same as everyone else about not being ready, not being able to learn the playbook, not being able to beat out Leinhart.
- One start where he does some good things, a lot of bad things, and shows everyone that he lacks an NFL arm and that’s he’s not the explosive runner that RGIII is.
I’m thinking the best offer right now might be a conditional 4th that might have another future 3rd or 4th if he starts X number of games.
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Umm the very fact that Pryor proved he’s WAY better than Leinart completely kills the notion that he actually wasnt able to beat out Leinart. That was coaching error, not the fault of TP.
And I think youre wrong about his value to other teams in need of a QB. I think after that one game, their are at least 5 teams that are wishing they’d used a 3rd round supplemental pick on TP at this point.
NYJ
Jax
AZ
KC
Buffalo
TP is an upgrade over all those QB situations at this point.
Remember, this is the same league that dumped Flutie for Rob Johnson after one half decent game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Papa definitely coems off as a Pompous Azz from time to time.
Him and the alcoholic Lund are weak for not taking phone calls on 95.7 and when they do, they cut people off after 15 seconds.
Cowards.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
reggie is the problem…but hey we got our practice players…
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
[snip]
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You think Palmer wants to got through another offensive system change?
Cut him
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If you think that the system is going to change significantly then you should be cut from Raider fandom. The system we saw the beginnings of is the system that Reggie wanted when he hired Allen as a supporter of it. Just the system that Allen targeted when he brought Knapp in to teach it and lead the transition. And specifically the same system at heart that they will use as the requirements for the next OC.
Mark my words, they will bring in a disciple of the ZBS/WCO combo they started with in 2012. Just like Green Bay runs. That’s not a coincidence.
And that’s all the more reason for Palmer to want to stay. Not only does he know this system now and flourished in it, but he will be asked to help the new OC out heavily in the transition. Hell, I’ll bet he’ll be asked to help refine the system with the new OC around his skills and preferences.
Watch and cry if you’re a hater. Or watch and learn if you’re a fan.
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Spot fvcking on.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Dr. If you I read your whole posts I might lose some points off my IQ, I can’t read gibberish,
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
we would go 0-16 with pryor.
if he was cut today, not a SINGLE team would pick him up as a qb. wr only.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Papa definitely coems off as a Pompous Azz from time to time.
Him and the alcoholic Lund are weak for not taking phone calls on 95.7 and when they do, they cut people off after 15 seconds.
Cowards.
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hahahahahaha…
He, plunk, and flores are usually drunk when doing the Raids games.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Nob. You are not fooling anyone. What school?
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i’m not gonna tell u what school idiot.
u should know i’m knowledgable cuz i make so much sense.
but i speak calculus, while some of u are doing addition (poorly).
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Stupid piece of schit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
371.elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:08 pm
If reggie and DA want to save their jobs, suck it up get rid of palmer and make pryor the starter
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Need to hire an OC who knows what he is doing first.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:11 pm
browns interviewing chip kelly…but we are stuck with opie allen…
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Raider (since 1967)
REGGIE Can’t be fire he makes his Own Contract and paper work – MAKES HIS OWN CHECKS BIGGER AND WHEN MARK IS NOT THERE HE SIGNS IT !!! SIMPLE !!!
Ps! He takes a RAIDERETTE out for Lunch or late Dinner !
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Carson isnt a horrible qb but he is an choke artist… He folds when it matters most, as if he gets scared and forgets how to think when the pressure is on. The Atl, cle, and tampa games are pretty much evident of that. Hes a good passer but he gives up too many pressure ints, and its hard to win that way.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
377.Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
[snip]
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You think Palmer wants to got through another offensive system change?
Cut him
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If you think that the system is going to change significantly then you should be cut from Raider fandom. The system we saw the beginnings of is the system that Reggie wanted when he hired Allen as a supporter of it. Just the system that Allen targeted when he brought Knapp in to teach it and lead the transition. And specifically the same system at heart that they will use as the requirements for the next OC.
Mark my words, they will bring in a disciple of the ZBS/WCO combo they started with in 2012. Just like Green Bay runs. That’s not a coincidence.
And that’s all the more reason for Palmer to want to stay. Not only does he know this system now and flourished in it, but he will be asked to help the new OC out heavily in the transition. Hell, I’ll bet he’ll be asked to help refine the system with the new OC around his skills and preferences.
Watch and cry if you’re a hater. Or watch and learn if you’re a fan.
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Spot fvcking on.
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GB has no running game. They will hire an OC who can get the running game going again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
QB is NOT the Raider’s problem.
We have a BUNCH of problems but QB isn’t one of them.
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Word!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
@377, I beleive that to be true however, if that is the truth then, DA is a liar…
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
After watching the film. F you guys. TP is ready!
Get TP a REAL OC and let him do his thing.
Raiders!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Dknight yes very critical we do need a seasoned OC esssential I actually don’t miind Cameron
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
M1st1c in full troll mode, when does your job ends mist1c, 2 years n counting , you were alright when Campbell was here, then u lost your meds or something when Palmer came here,i don’t know what happened, but get well soon
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Thec Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:59 pm
BTW, I like that we kept Sessions. I like any guy that can catch the ball.
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Open competition at WR position that is for sure.
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Kid ran crisp routes in the preseason and caught the ball with his hands effortlessly.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Yes doc rob what schools did you play and coach for?
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i will tell u i played high school ball for mishawaka penn, one of the most elite public school programs in the country. scott dreisbach came thru a few years after me, as did mike rosenthal, and the current notre dame center, braxton cave.
i won’t tell u where i coach cuz it would be too easy to find me.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:14 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:29 pm
D Moore – wrong routes and caught the dropsies from DHB. Most disappointing player on the roster this year
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Complete………WTF happened to that kid? I can’t beleive how many passes he clanked this year, and didn’t lay out either…Ball thrown a little too far….”Mehh, I’ll just jog it out and return to the huddle.”
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Your kidding right? You don’t know WTF happened to him? How about what happened to DMC and the whole damn offense? Its not fkin rocket science Knapp is wtf happened, none of these players bought into his outdated schemes and lackluster playcallin, It feels like I just woke up from a nightmare. Us fans in the know knew that Knapp was a horrible hire and the ZBS wasn’t goin to work here from the start.
For the fools sayin its mostly on the players, well how do you explain the last 2 years when we had an actual offense with a damn good running game? No need to answer because its not rocket science, its very fking obvious, Hue had to fix Knapps krapp offense when he came here and now someone else is goin to have to do the same thing…its a damn shame..
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:11 pm
browns interviewing chip kelly…but we are stuck with opie allen…
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I’m surprised Kelly would leave Oregon with all those Nike percs. Lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Palmer team player no doubt but time to cut ties
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Dr. If you I read your whole posts I might lose some points off my IQ, I can’t read gibberish,
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LOL. and u write that “sentence”. priceless.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Just scoring 3 tds in a meaningless game where the D doesn’t have tape on you is not enough, freaking Flynn doubled that output in last game of Packers last year , were the fans clamoring for Flyn to start over Rodgers, nope, unless Flynn was black and they had a fan like M1stic, then who would have never shutup and brought that 6 td game convo over n over , and how it was like the most ever in a game blah blah blah, Rodgers throws too many ints, with FLyn they would score 40 instead of 30 every game blah blah
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
TP is ready!
Haters stand down.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Carson isnt a horrible qb but he is an choke artist… He folds when it matters most, as if he gets scared and forgets how to think when the pressure is on. The Atl, cle, and tampa games are pretty much evident of that. Hes a good passer but he gives up too many pressure ints, and its hard to win that way.
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palmer doesn’t even matter. like him or not. it’s pryor. he can’t pass the ball. period.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I just found out that Dr. Robert coached at bellevue that famous psych ward they have in NY
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
385.Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Carson isnt a horrible qb but he is an choke artist… He folds when it matters most, as if he gets scared and forgets how to think when the pressure is on. The Atl, cle, and tampa games are pretty much evident of that. Hes a good passer but he gives up too many pressure ints, and its hard to win that way.
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If we had a running game and an effective screen game I think that would take the pressure off CP a bit to make every play and every throw.
A REAL OC/Playcaller would help also.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
kinda funny how m1stic counted all the drops by receivers with Pryor starting , if Palmer was the starter he would have counted how many near ints he almost had, or how many ints defenders dropped, LMFAO , you can’t win with this guy
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
You Guys who wants Palmer gone should get your head screwed on right.
He had no running game PERIOD!
He had Knapp calling freakin IN routes almost every freakin play!
Mcfadden had to run that idiodic strech play left or stretch play right!
The ZBScheme killed our best player!
When Mcfadden Ran for over 100 yards Palmer did just fine IE the Pitsburgh game!
Play Action is crutial to Palmers game.
He suited very well to HUE’s offense the season before.
Hes got a BIG arm and is very accurate with the deep BALL.
Knapp took his strengths away from Palmer and Mcfadden.
Mcfadden ZBS as to exploding through a hole at full speed with POWER!
Palmer Dink and dunk offense as to slingin that ball deep where he amass chunks of Yardage!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
TP is ready!
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says no one of any importance.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Well this damn tablet sucks, i will repeat
If I read your entire posts I will lose a few points from my IQ.
Yes my IQ is 138
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Well this damn tablet sucks, i will repeat
If I read your entire posts I will lose a few points from my IQ.
Yes my IQ is 138
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well, ur football IQ must about 50 if u think u saw an nfl qb out there sunday.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Brown interviewing Chip Kelly.
Another guy who I believe would be a better option than Dennis Allen.
Reggie and Mark need to cut their losses while they can.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:21 pm
reggie is the gm. allen is the coach. palmer is the qb. get over it. quit whining like little girls.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
real housewives of oakland. that’s this blog.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
How can you not say M1st1c doesn’t have an agenda, when he has been all over m1st1c through 1.5 years, well lets see here what else we can talk about, n many other ways to help the team win, let’s begin by one of the worst D’s ever and bottom 5 receiving corp , bottom 5 running game, worst coordinator , out of all those things, there was a game this year , in which our D allowed 55 points, guess what this concerned Raiders fan showed up to talk about after that game, yes you guessed it right? oh n there were 4 weeks where we won (unfortunately) and he was not here on the blog as much as after the losses, so tell me again m1st1c how do you not have an agenda?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
#404, that’s right. And knapp is gone because of it. There is hope now where there was once woe and misery. Saw the pain in pre season. How any body could have been a knapp apologetic is breath taking.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
385.Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Carson isnt a horrible qb but he is an choke artist… He folds when it matters most, as if he gets scared and forgets how to think when the pressure is on. The Atl, cle, and tampa games are pretty much evident of that. Hes a good passer but he gives up too many pressure ints, and its hard to win that way.
^^^^^^^^
If we had a running game and an effective screen game I think that would take the pressure off CP a bit to make every play and every throw.
A REAL OC/Playcaller would help also.
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We have no running game because nobody respects our passing game.
Nobody respects our passing game because EVERYONE drops balls at the most crucial times. Meyers, Reece, DHB, Moore, Streater, and DMC have all done bonehead things when it counted most during the season.
Catch the damn ball and everything else will take care of itself.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:23 pm
JHill Says:
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Better HC than Cable?
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Hmmmmmmmmmm I might have to sleep on that one. So far Cable has him beat. TC already took a terrible Raider team to 8-8. All he needed was one more year with toenails as OC.
Dam tough call
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
CP has helped TP more than Knapp and his croonies.
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Sure did…..One of the things I like about Palmer. Definately a team leader. He coulda been like “Well, I got Minez…so yall can EF OFF”
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Palmer stays! Knapp killed his strength! the Deep Ball
MCFADDEN stays! 10 good games fromm this guy is worth it! When he hits the holes at full speed jes a monster! That finesse garbage ZBS is not his game. He wants to hit that hole at full speed!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I did any all facets of his game, I have been a raider fan for years, and yes floaters and all. What were you watching? Or were you spoon feeding Palmer in the hospital
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
why doesn’t missdick focus on something that might actually happen?
marquette king is the punting wave of the future. can’t he rally around that guy for a while?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:17 pm
kinda funny how m1stic counted all the drops by receivers with Pryor starting , if Palmer was the starter he would have counted how many near ints he almost had, or how many ints defenders dropped, LMFAO , you can’t win with this guy
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The rest of us pragmatic TP fans know that Palmer had to deal with the same bum receiver core.
The only benefit of Pryor right now is his ability to avoid a sack and extend a play. Thus making our schhit offensive line look good the way Gannon used to.
It doesnt matter who our QB is next year, we need to fix our WR issues.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Brown interviewing Chip Kelly.
Another guy who I believe would be a better option than Dennis Allen.
Reggie and Mark need to cut their losses while they can.
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just stfu already , DA didn’t get fair chance, judge him after this season, how many times we going to get rid of coaches after single years, you think some one else would have done a better job this year? with this group? maybe if they had different OC, we might have won a couple more games but that’s it , this roster s8cks, DA’s hands were tied, it was a rebuilding season, get over it , 2013 season we would win between 8-11 games
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
We have no running game because nobody respects our passing game.
Nobody respects our passing game because EVERYONE drops balls at the most crucial times. Meyers, Reece, DHB, Moore, Streater, and DMC have all done bonehead things when it counted most during the season.
Catch the damn ball and everything else will take care of itself.
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Straight UP ! ! !
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I gotta run, it was fun and Dr. Please do yourself a favor a d get back on the meds.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I did any all facets of his game, I have been a raider fan for years, and yes floaters and all. What were you watching? Or were you spoon feeding Palmer in the hospital
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so u watch football. and u claim to be intelligent. and u think u saw an nfl-caliber qb out there sunday? are u black by chance?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
It seemed like there were two or three crucial drops in every game. Drive killers.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I gotta run, it was fun and Dr. Please do yourself a favor a d get back on the meds.
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pretty sure i’m more offended by lame humor than anything missdick has to say.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
This did not have to be a rebuilding season. Reggie and DA wanted it to appear that way to cover their ineptness.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
It seemed like there were two or three crucial drops in every game. Drive killers.
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There WERE……Carson the most pissed guy out there too….Ripping his chinstraps off and looking disgusted as hell.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:22 pm
#404, that’s right. And knapp is gone because of it. There is hope now where there was once woe and misery. Saw the pain in pre season. How any body could have been a knapp apologetic is breath taking.
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We need a OC that will take chances when the Defense thinks your trying to get that first on third down and 3 you sling that ball 50 yards for a TD! Thats what Hue called the season before and that fans ate that up.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Post 423, ok Im convinced doc rob is a racist now…
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Post 423, ok Im convinced doc rob is a racist now…
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i ask a guy if he’s black and i’m racist? LOL. are u black?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Raider (since 1967)
I finally got the Christmas Wish I wanted – Knapp is singing.
” I’ll be Home for Christmas !
Second if I could only get -Al Saunders # 2
#-3 Get a Good defensive asstn. To help Tarver get us up #1
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Nobody respected our passing game with JC starting but we still had good running games, Mcfadden is just hand the ball north and south runner, he never was east and west type guy made for ZBS, all other runners had success in this scheme, even including stewart who played sparingly , so the real question is should we keep Mcfadden , who’s one grass tackle away from injury in every game, or do we keep with ZBS with better teachers and runners who are fit for the scheme and better RT and TE who can block ?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
black guys seem to blindly support pryor. and seem to call everyone racist. it’s pretty depressing to see really.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
J, we also need a OC who knows how to game plan. Just cuz he was a coach didn’t mean he knew what he was doing. Stunning what kind of pain and misery this season was.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:32 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
We have no running game because nobody respects our passing game.
Nobody respects our passing game because EVERYONE drops balls at the most crucial times. Meyers, Reece, DHB, Moore, Streater, and DMC have all done bonehead things when it counted most during the season.
Catch the damn ball and everything else will take care of itself.
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Straight UP ! ! !
Even the most “Sure Handed” guys we supposedly had (DMAC , Moore) had the dropsies from HELL…..
I dunno WTF happened to those guys.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:33 pm
This team was not built for the DINK AND DUNK high completion rate offense! Hue new that we lacked a possesion receiver so he curtailed this defect by utilizing the receivers strengths like deep routes and power run!
Palmer has a cannon!
Mcfadden has speed and power!
GET AND OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR THAT CAN PLAY TO THESE STRENGTHS AND THE OAKLAND RAIDERS WILL BE COOKIN SOMETHIN GOOD IN THE POT NEXT SEASON!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Nobody respected our passing game with JC starting but we still had good running games, Mcfadden is just hand the ball north and south runner, he never was east and west type guy made for ZBS, all other runners had success in this scheme, even including stewart who played sparingly , so the real question is should we keep Mcfadden , who’s one grass tackle away from injury in every game, or do we keep with ZBS with better teachers and runners who are fit for the scheme and better RT and TE who can block ?
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LOL nobody respects our passing game with Palmer either. They do respect the fact that there will be a lot of INT’s
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
420.mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Brown interviewing Chip Kelly.
Another guy who I believe would be a better option than Dennis Allen.
Reggie and Mark need to cut their losses while they can.
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just stfu already , DA didn’t get fair chance, judge him after this season, how many times we going to get rid of coaches after single years, you think some one else would have done a better job this year? with this group? maybe if they had different OC, we might have won a couple more games but that’s it , this roster s8cks, DA’s hands were tied, it was a rebuilding season, get over it , 2013 season we would win between 8-11 games
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Make me stfu, you p#ss.
I think Chip Kelly is a better coach than Dennis Allen. If you disagree, thats fine, but Im entitled to say what ever the hell I want, hoe.
Yes, I think quite a few coaches would have done better this year, including the one we had last year, even though I didnt care about him beibg fired in the first place.
Dennis Allens hands werent “tied” any worse than anyone elses. we went 8-8 last year. The best 2 players we lost were Wimbley and Bush. Those two players are not the difference in 4-12 and 8-8 to me. If you disagree, thats on you, but you wont make me stfu, you sissy.
Greg Schiano, another rookie HC this season for the Bucs, took over a 4-12 team. He improved them to 7-9. Ive gone through both rosters, top to bottom, and you can not convince me that they have so much better talent than us. By the way, that sme team BLASTED Dennis Allen’s Raiders this season. As did rookie head coach Joe Philbin, for the Dolphins.
My opinion is DA sucks. If you dont like my opinion, tough. But Im gonna keep givin it.
So, try again to make me stfu, you b!tch.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Nobody respected our passing game with JC starting but we still had good running games, Mcfadden is just hand the ball north and south runner, he never was east and west type guy made for ZBS, all other runners had success in this scheme, even including stewart who played sparingly , so the real question is should we keep Mcfadden , who’s one grass tackle away from injury in every game, or do we keep with ZBS with better teachers and runners who are fit for the scheme and better RT and TE who can block ?
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MCFADDEN is the best player on the RAIDERS roster.
play to his strengths and he should be GTG!
Even Marshall Faulk was injury prone.
But he eventually started gaming with STL after the trade from the Colts!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
seriously the only regression was the OC, DA did as good a job he could do , and he had the D playing better in late stretches, yeah you can say we didn’t face top O’s etc etc, but non the less D was giving 100% N WE might have found our future CB’s Adams and Ross, so atleast that was positive to see, and to see him cut all the bad coaches, right after the game was good to see, seriously most of his moves paid off except for the OC, putting spencer on IR and cutting Bartell gave Adams and Ross a chance, benching McClain made us better, the pass rush was noticeably better in last 5 games,so a lot of positive to look forward to , i’m excited to see what DA and Tarver can do with natural pressure, I’m pretty sure they can take the D up notch with more complex schemes because they would have players who would fit in them better and ofcourse he would not hire another greg knapp ever and with a potential addition of our O , we will just get better in every phase next year
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
J, we also need a OC who knows how to game plan. Just cuz he was a coach didn’t mean he knew what he was doing. Stunning what kind of pain and misery this season was.
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Yeah i feel your pain. All DA needed to do was fix that D and this team would of at least won 9 or more games this year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:26 pm
It seemed like there were two or three crucial drops in every game. Drive killers.
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There definitely were.
The worst were the ones that ended up INTs.
And then there are all the plays where the WRs ran the wrong hot route and Palmer threw somewhere they were supposed to be and they ended up INTs.
That is the worst thing about the whole TP vs Palmer crap. Is that the extremists on both sides of the argument wont take into consideration that no matter who the QB is, our WRs continue to cost us games. They did it plenty to CP and they damn well did it to TP.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
[snip]
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You think Palmer wants to got through another offensive system change?
Cut him
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If you think that the system is going to change significantly then you should be cut from Raider fandom. The system we saw the beginnings of is the system that Reggie wanted when he hired Allen as a supporter of it. Just the system that Allen targeted when he brought Knapp in to teach it and lead the transition. And specifically the same system at heart that they will use as the requirements for the next OC.
Mark my words, they will bring in a disciple of the ZBS/WCO combo they started with in 2012. Just like Green Bay runs. That’s not a coincidence.
And that’s all the more reason for Palmer to want to stay. Not only does he know this system now and flourished in it, but he will be asked to help the new OC out heavily in the transition. Hell, I’ll bet he’ll be asked to help refine the system with the new OC around his skills and preferences.
Watch and cry if you’re a hater. Or watch and learn if you’re a fan.
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Spot fvcking on.
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If Palmer had flourished I might agree.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
3) West European American
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LOL
I think you forgot one very important factor. Kool aid drinking. I cursed the thought of Pryor or any type of “running QB” right up until we drafted one.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Burton Guster Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:28 pm
This did not have to be a rebuilding season. Reggie and DA wanted it to appear that way to cover their ineptness.
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They didnt think this was a rebuilding season. Reggie honestly thought this was a playoff team prior to the year starting.
The staff showed a huge inability to judge this teams talent. They disregarded what Hue found out the hard way, that this team needed an overhaul.
And for that, it was a wasted year. We didnt rebuild nor did we make the playoffs.
Now we start what Hue was planning to do during the ‘12 offseason, which is rebuild this roster.
If we can hit 8-8 next year it will be a huge success.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Nobody respected our passing game with JC starting but we still had good running games, Mcfadden is just hand the ball north and south runner, he never was east and west type guy made for ZBS, all other runners had success in this scheme, even including stewart who played sparingly , so the real question is should we keep Mcfadden , who’s one grass tackle away from injury in every game, or do we keep with ZBS with better teachers and runners who are fit for the scheme and better RT and TE who can block ?
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LOL nobody respects our passing game with Palmer either. They do respect the fact that there will be a lot of INT’s
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They do respect our passing game,Palmer is much better passer than JC, yes he has tendency to make something out of every play instead of living for the next down, they just don’t respect our receivers, and they don’t expect them to run real routes, and our running game was effed by G Knapp
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider E Says:
January 1st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Zymurge @ #1316,
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You think Palmer wants to got through another offensive system change?
Cut him
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If you think that the system is going to change significantly then you should be cut from Raider fandom. The system we saw the beginnings of is the system that Reggie wanted when he hired Allen as a supporter of it. Just the system that Allen targeted when he brought Knapp in to teach it and lead the transition. And specifically the same system at heart that they will use as the requirements for the next OC.
Mark my words, they will bring in a disciple of the ZBS/WCO combo they started with in 2012. Just like Green Bay runs. That’s not a coincidence.
And that’s all the more reason for Palmer to want to stay. Not only does he know this system now and flourished in it, but he will be asked to help the new OC out heavily in the transition. Hell, I’ll bet he’ll be asked to help refine the system with the new OC around his skills and preferences.
Watch and cry if you’re a hater. Or watch and learn if you’re a fan.
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Spot fvcking on.
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If Palmer had flourished I might agree.
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He did fourish.
The WRs let him down time and time again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:42 pm
now do you see why his name is mcxcuse20?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
After watching the film. F you guys. TP is ready!
Get TP a REAL OC and let him do his thing.
Raiders!!!
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Thanks for the link. I was at the game and forgot to record it.
Pryor is the future of the Raiders.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
I think Chip Kelly is a better coach than Dennis Allen. If you disagree, thats fine, but Im entitled to say what ever the hell I want, hoe.
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I think so too. and you BET he’d love to have his hands on Pryor. Kelly recruited him HARD to come to Oregon, then got beat by him in the Rose Bowl.
But I think it’s a Pipe Dream
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
There are no Palmer believers that aren’t Raider fans.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:41 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Nobody respected our passing game with JC starting but we still had good running games, Mcfadden is just hand the ball north and south runner, he never was east and west type guy made for ZBS, all other runners had success in this scheme, even including stewart who played sparingly , so the real question is should we keep Mcfadden , who’s one grass tackle away from injury in every game, or do we keep with ZBS with better teachers and runners who are fit for the scheme and better RT and TE who can block ?
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LOL nobody respects our passing game with Palmer either. They do respect the fact that there will be a lot of INT’s
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They do respect our passing game,Palmer is much better passer than JC, yes he has tendency to make something out of every play instead of living for the next down, they just don’t respect our receivers, and they don’t expect them to run real routes, and our running game was effed by G Knapp
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If you really think Knapp is the reason our running game sucked, then you really dont understand how the ZBS works.
Its supposed to be 2 yd runs that are basically wasted plays the first half of the game. It wears down the defense as long as the passing game can be reliable enough to convert the occassional easy catch.
Then by the 3rd quarter the running game has taken its toll and the big holes open up.
It all started to go wrong with our passing game. Our WRs suck. Plain and simple. We would have been better off with Hagan starting every game. He understands the playbook and catches the ball.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The WRs let him down time and time again.
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Same can be said for the right side of the line, and some guy wearing 20.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
If you’ve never heard of Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, then you’re a racist.
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Oh, he11, If you disagree with anybody here, you’re a racist.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
seriously the only regression was the OC, DA did as good a job he could do , and he had the D playing better in late stretches, yeah you can say we didn’t face top O’s
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KC had a top ranked running game coming in, and thats been our Achilles heel like FOREVER. We shut them DOWN. We ended up a respectable 15th against the run this year (despite some ridiculous numbers put up while McClain was MLB.
I think Allen had has plate full trying to get the defense straightened out, and the penalties down… thus Knapp had COMPLETE control of the offense. (FAIL)
I want a proven winner as OC (TRESTMAN!!) or a hotshot greenhorn willing to sleep in the offices like Gruden did taking over on offense.
Bring Uncle Wiz back as line coach.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
No thats not why, just looking at all of your post over the weeks, the dance monkey comments, the marquette king comment, the are you black question… Just adding it all up, yes id say you are a racist and just dont know it. The question if he was black or not was just the icing on the cake. I understand the racial back and forth with mistic because thats what mistic is known for, but that statement you made suggest you belive only someone black would support terrel pryor. Only black people think he can play, when you have people like bill romo, greg papa, steve cork, paul guitierrez and others who thought he looked pretty good. But its ok, thers a lot of racist in the world, its common youre not alone, some of the most successful people in the world are racist.. Dont feel bad just learn to except it (sarcasm).
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:34 pm
420.mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:25 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Brown interviewing Chip Kelly.
Another guy who I believe would be a better option than Dennis Allen.
Reggie and Mark need to cut their losses while they can.
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just stfu already , DA didn’t get fair chance, judge him after this season, how many times we going to get rid of coaches after single years, you think some one else would have done a better job this year? with this group? maybe if they had different OC, we might have won a couple more games but that’s it , this roster s8cks, DA’s hands were tied, it was a rebuilding season, get over it , 2013 season we would win between 8-11 games
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Make me stfu, you p#ss.
I think Chip Kelly is a better coach than Dennis Allen. If you disagree, thats fine, but Im entitled to say what ever the hell I want, hoe.
Yes, I think quite a few coaches would have done better this year, including the one we had last year, even though I didnt care about him beibg fired in the first place.
Dennis Allens hands werent “tied” any worse than anyone elses. we went 8-8 last year. The best 2 players we lost were Wimbley and Bush. Those two players are not the difference in 4-12 and 8-8 to me. If you disagree, thats on you, but you wont make me stfu, you sissy.
Greg Schiano, another rookie HC this season for the Bucs, took over a 4-12 team. He improved them to 7-9. Ive gone through both rosters, top to bottom, and you can not convince me that they have so much better talent than us. By the way, that sme team BLASTED Dennis Allen’s Raiders this season. As did rookie head coach Joe Philbin, for the Dolphins.
My opinion is DA sucks. If you dont like my opinion, tough. But Im gonna keep givin it.
So, try again to make me stfu, you b!tch.
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okay tough guy you can calm down, but seriously you believe DA can’t coach? I think he can be a good one once he gets a few more players for his D and once he hires a good OC, everything would start clicking
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The WRs let him down time and time again.
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Same can be said for the right side of the line, and some guy wearing 20.
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Yep.
But Im just pointing out where it started first. With the WRs.
Less guys in the box means less pressure on Barnes and also more chances for McFadden to find his rhythmn.
The WR play was so piss poor I dont know how anyone can try to even blame anything else until we get that sorted out.
- Lazy routes
- Drops
- Wrong routes
It was bad bad bad by everyone involved including Meyers and Reece.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:47 pm
I’m a racist, you’re a racist, he’s a racist, too. Even pootbutt.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
It all started to go wrong with our passing game. Our WRs suck. Plain and simple. We would have been better off with Hagan starting every game. He understands the playbook and catches the ball.
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Hagan hardly playing is ALMOST as much of a head slapper as him getting CUT last year. Players NOT being utilized correctly or enough was driving me up a freakin Wall…..See: Marcel Reece
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Moore got benched this year folks.
DHB is OK at best.
WR was a serious issue this season.
I’d argue Streater was our best WR.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
One more season behind Palmer would be good for Prior!
You just down hand the KEYs to your car to an inexperienced driver without more time to hit the books.
Palmer will do fine with a better system in place for him to throw DEEP routes. which our WR are more suited for and Mcfadden running the ball with power would allow PLAY ACTION to open up the passing lanes.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Oh yea, add bill williamson to that list of non blacks who came away impressed by pryor and believe he has a chance… Lol doc rob smh.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Thec Says:
hahahahahaha…
He, plunk, and flores are usually drunk when doing the Raids games.
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Sh!t, man. The way they’ve played the last 10 years, it’s driven us all to alcoholism.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:38 pm
seriously the only regression was the OC, DA did as good a job he could do , and he had the D playing better in late stretches, yeah you can say we didn’t face top O’s
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KC had a top ranked running game coming in, and thats been our Achilles heel like FOREVER. We shut them DOWN. We ended up a respectable 15th against the run this year (despite some ridiculous numbers put up while McClain was MLB.
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Spot on.
We got better once McClain was benched.
Everyone should compare the film. Gaither > McClain and its not even close.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Oh my! Did I get in the middle of a purse swinging tiff?
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm
2013 OFF-SEASON
OC: Norv Turner/Aaron Kromer/M.Mornhinweg/M.Trestman
OL: Tony Sparano/Juan Castillo/Bob Wylie
FREE AGENTS:
WR- Greg Jennings
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
DT- Justin Bannan
LB- Tavares Gooden
DRAFT [with trade down]:
1- John Hankins [NT]
2- Quanterius Smith [DE/OLB]
3- Logan Ryan [CB]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jake Stoneburner [TE]
DRAFT [w/o trade down]
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jonathan Cyprien [S]
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm
He did fourish.
The WRs let him down time and time again.
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Knapp did. He even admitted he didn’t spend much time on a red-zone offense! And Palmer’s passing offense was 8th in the league… how much better do we want it without whining??
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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If you really think Knapp is the reason our running game sucked, then you really dont understand how the ZBS works.
Its supposed to be 2 yd runs that are basically wasted plays the first half of the game. It wears down the defense as long as the passing game can be reliable enough to convert the occassional easy catch.
Then by the 3rd quarter the running game has taken its toll and the big holes open up.
It all started to go wrong with our passing game. Our WRs suck. Plain and simple. We would have been better off with Hagan starting every game. He understands the playbook and catches the ball.
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Well i know what your saying, DMAC and receivers are culprits as well , DMAC was too stubborn to adjust to the scheme, there were many plays that could have went for TDs had he made certain cuts and cut backs, and found the right holes, but still Knapp wasn’t a good teacher, he was predictable in his play calling, i don’t know how much of that predictability had to do with the players but he was easily game planned against, n our players also didn’t do good things on the field when they had the chance to make plays, it goes both ways
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm
The WR play was so piss poor I dont know how anyone can try to even blame anything else until we get that sorted out.
- Lazy routes
- Drops
- Wrong routes
It was bad bad bad by everyone involved including Meyers and Reece.
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Can you see thay did not want to PLAY for this joke artist OC KNAPP.
WE were a RUN FIRST offense with enough power to push the D around!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:52 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Moore got benched this year folks.
DHB is OK at best.
WR was a serious issue this season.
I’d argue Streater was our best WR.
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And you wouldnt get any grief from me for that either.
Streater and Hagan should have been our starters by mid season. They knew the playbook and even though Streater had some mistakes, they were all forgivable rookie type stuff. Next year I wont be so leniant though.
DHB just cant track the ball in the air and Moore went koo-koo. I really like both kids, especially DHB, but this is a performance based league. And he’s not delivering. I feel bad that he’s had to deal with so many offensive systems. It’s amazing he’s gotten as good as he has all things considered.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:52 pm
J Hill Says:
I’d argue Streater was our best WR.
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There’s no arguing that. Only the DHB jersey owners continue to ignore the reality.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
One more season behind Palmer would be good for Prior!
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Plus it lets us bolster our roster via the draft without picking a QB for a year. Anyone STILL saying we need to get rid of Palmer just doesn’t know football.
Its the ONLY set position on the entire team! A veteran franchise QB with a talented newbie… you don’t better than that in the NFL!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Our WR’s has always s8cked for long time, that problem was just masked a bit with good running games for a few years, but now when we were passing a lot more than past few years, our Receivers were exposed, and i have been telling everyone that we desperately need a #1 WR, but everyone was like no we’re okay at receivers moore is legit , dhb this n that blah blah
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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If you really think Knapp is the reason our running game sucked, then you really dont understand how the ZBS works.
Its supposed to be 2 yd runs that are basically wasted plays the first half of the game. It wears down the defense as long as the passing game can be reliable enough to convert the occassional easy catch.
Then by the 3rd quarter the running game has taken its toll and the big holes open up.
It all started to go wrong with our passing game. Our WRs suck. Plain and simple. We would have been better off with Hagan starting every game. He understands the playbook and catches the ball.
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Well i know what your saying, DMAC and receivers are culprits as well , DMAC was too stubborn to adjust to the scheme, there were many plays that could have went for TDs had he made certain cuts and cut backs, and found the right holes, but still Knapp wasn’t a good teacher, he was predictable in his play calling, i don’t know how much of that predictability had to do with the players but he was easily game planned against, n our players also didn’t do good things on the field when they had the chance to make plays, it goes both ways
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I think the predictability had to do with our inability to execute even the simplest stuff.
Remember what we did when he called the perfect reverse call against SD?
We had lots of those bonehead moments early in the season. Any OC would get gunshy after that.
And ya, DMC’s field vision and stubborness was really a killer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:44 pm
I think Chip Kelly is a better coach than Dennis Allen. If you disagree, thats fine, but Im entitled to say what ever the hell I want, hoe.
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I think so too. and you BET he’d love to have his hands on Pryor. Kelly recruited him HARD to come to Oregon, then got beat by him in the Rose Bowl.
But I think it’s a Pipe Dream
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Tom “Backhand” Cable is a better coach than DA.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:48 pm
One more season behind Palmer would be good for Prior!
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Plus it lets us bolster our roster via the draft without picking a QB for a year. Anyone STILL saying we need to get rid of Palmer just doesn’t know football.
Its the ONLY set position on the entire team! A veteran franchise QB with a talented newbie… you don’t better than that in the NFL!
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Co-signed.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
I been saying all year that Streater would end up being our best receiver next year if we don’t add # 1, streater is def going up the depth charts, he will get a strong look for #2 if we can bring in #1 receiver
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
If you really think Knapp is the reason our running game sucked, then you really dont understand how the ZBS works.
Its supposed to be 2 yd runs that are basically wasted plays the first half of the game. It wears down the defense as long as the passing game can be reliable enough to convert the occassional easy catch.
Then by the 3rd quarter the running game has taken its toll and the big holes open up.
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Can you see KNAPP was so easy to predict on the offensive side it was a joke. The defenses knew when they were going to RUN the ball and HOW they were going to run the BALL
Stretch LEFT! Stretch RIGHT!
Even on freakin 3RD and 1 Knapp called stretch runs!
How many freakin times were the LB’s and DE’s blowing up this play! I say about 90% of the time! This offensive scheme was by far the worst ive ever scene!
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Gaither > McClain and its not even close.
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55 is better that Gaither man. He may be an arssehole, but cmon.
55 got benched coming outta the bye week. Didn’t play many snaps per game after that.
TB game he was barely on the field.
Wasn’t on the field at all for the Denver game.
We shut down KC the first time we played hem too.
LB coach got fired for a reason. They ALL sucked, lol.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 am
I am not advocating canning Palmer and handing the keys to TP.
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I am.
Here’s why…
While I’m not convinced TP can be THE MAN, I am convinced Palmer is on the down side, nearing the end of his less than illustrious career, and is definitely not someone to build around.
I’m not interested in keeping CP around for another 2 years and then still being in the position of trying to secure a franchise QB.
Dump him and his bloated salary now for whatever draft pick can be had.
Not worried about what our record will be next year with TP at the helm.
What, you think we’re winning the SB next year or any future year with CP ?
If TP shows that he can be the answer at QB, fine.
If not, then we know what we need to do in the 2014 draft.
Plug as many holes as possible through the draft and free agency in 2013.
Find out what TP can do in 2013.
You build to win Super Bowls.
There’s got to be a plan and a vision.
Continuing on with CP isn’t mine.
RAIDER ON.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:51 pm
The WR play was so piss poor I dont know how anyone can try to even blame anything else until we get that sorted out.
- Lazy routes
- Drops
- Wrong routes
It was bad bad bad by everyone involved including Meyers and Reece.
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Can you see thay did not want to PLAY for this joke artist OC KNAPP.
WE were a RUN FIRST offense with enough power to push the D around!
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So what was the excuse with the past 5 OCs weve had?
DHB has never had the same offensive system 2 years in a row. He’s dropped balls each and every year.
Rolando has had a different DC every season. Sucked with every one.
Not liking your coordinator is no excuse to throw games.
At some point the Raider Nation is going to have to come to grips with the fact that Al’s track stars and Worlds Strongest Men athletes are just not good football players.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:58 pm
If Chip Kelly being the coach meant the Raiders would have some alternate jersey’s like Oregon does, then im all in.
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 am
I am not advocating canning Palmer and handing the keys to TP.
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I am.
Here’s why…
While I’m not convinced TP can be THE MAN, I am convinced Palmer is on the down side, nearing the end of his less than illustrious career, and is definitely not someone to build around.
I’m not interested in keeping CP around for another 2 years and then still being in the position of trying to secure a franchise QB.
Dump him and his bloated salary now for whatever draft pick can be had.
Not worried about what our record will be next year with TP at the helm.
What, you think we’re winning the SB next year or any future year with CP ?
If TP shows that he can be the answer at QB, fine.
If not, then we know what we need to do in the 2014 draft.
Plug as many holes as possible through the draft and free agency in 2013.
Find out what TP can do in 2013.
You build to win Super Bowls.
There’s got to be a plan and a vision.
Continuing on with CP isn’t mine.
RAIDER ON.
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Cosigned
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
I was watching a movie called Fire with Fire and you’ll never guess who was in the movie. Namdi!!!! He was playing a Crip, it was funny as hell seeing trying to be gangsta. He was cussing up a storm. It was a trip.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Can you see thay did not want to PLAY for this joke artist OC KNAPP.
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What about their teammates and the fans?
I think it was more of a lack of football IQ. How hard is it to “read” the defense and know where to break your route off?
11 yds, DHB, not effin 13!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 am
I am not advocating canning Palmer and handing the keys to TP.
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I am.
Here’s why…
While I’m not convinced TP can be THE MAN, I am convinced Palmer is on the down side, nearing the end of his less than illustrious career, and is definitely not someone to build around.
I’m not interested in keeping CP around for another 2 years and then still being in the position of trying to secure a franchise QB.
Dump him and his bloated salary now for whatever draft pick can be had.
Not worried about what our record will be next year with TP at the helm.
What, you think we’re winning the SB next year or any future year with CP ?
If TP shows that he can be the answer at QB, fine.
If not, then we know what we need to do in the 2014 draft.
Plug as many holes as possible through the draft and free agency in 2013.
Find out what TP can do in 2013.
You build to win Super Bowls.
There’s got to be a plan and a vision.
Continuing on with CP isn’t mine.
RAIDER ON.
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This isnt exactly the dumbest idea.
Im of the camp that we should keep Palmer. And mostly so because that is what is going to happen, we have no choice.
But by throwing TP in their it actually means we dont have as many holes to fill. Our Oline gets better by default due to his mobility. And since we have so many holes to fill, it has to be considered a route to take.
We have too many holes to fill and we cant fix them all. If we dont address the line then Palmer is doomed anyways and if we dont address the other areas then the team will fail anyways.
Food for thought.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Gaither > McClain and its not even close.
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55 is better that Gaither man. He may be an arssehole, but cmon.
55 got benched coming outta the bye week. Didn’t play many snaps per game after that.
TB game he was barely on the field.
Wasn’t on the field at all for the Denver game.
We shut down KC the first time we played hem too.
LB coach got fired for a reason. They ALL sucked, lol.
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Compare the game tape.
Gaither was decisive. New his coverage assignments and filled the proper gaps.
McClain often looked lost. It’s not even close when you compare the film.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Well i know what your saying, DMAC and receivers are culprits as well , DMAC was too stubborn to adjust to the scheme, there were many plays that could have went for TDs had he made certain cuts and cut backs, and found the right holes, but still Knapp wasn’t a good teacher, he was predictable in his play calling, i don’t know how much of that predictability had to do with the players but he was easily game planned against, n our players also didn’t do good things on the field when they had the chance to make plays, it goes both ways
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Good point, and there were a lot of 8-in-the-box plays that CP should have audibled out of but instead sent McF into the middle, especially early… not sure whats up with that. A robust OC would have made it a priority to identify those situations and made sure it CHANGED, but alas… same ol same ol all year. CP as veteran QB should know better, and Knapp should have made it a priority after one week of game film.
Teams just loaded the box in the first half and then backed off once we fell behind…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
99,
Krapp was soooo bad, I can live with another year of Palmer.
I hope the new OC has a shorter leash for 20 though.
And we need to draft the LT from A&M to make up for Palmer lack of mobility.
Joeckel, Bowe, and a decent #1 WR and this can certainly be a playoff offense.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
I say we pick up Chan Gailey for OC and let him decide wat QB to use
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:56 pm
I been saying all year that Streater would end up being our best receiver next year if we don’t add # 1, streater is def going up the depth charts, he will get a strong look for #2 if we can bring in #1 receiver
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2013 WR core needs to look like this:
#1 – Free Agent
#2 – Streater
Bench – Ford, Hagan
Competition for final two spots: DHB, Moore, Sessions, Criner
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I know I was lookin dope I had my Raider reeboks on
My silver and black custom made leather jacket
Mah beard was clean and my taper fade was fierce
and was riding in 2013 Cadillac Escalade
Dont you want to ride?
You know I like my hoez sleazy
So I went down to the speak easy
As soon as I my feet hit the door
I had all attention from the whores
You know da broads be on the B@uce when I walked into the room
The broads be on the B@uce
The broads be on the B@uce when I walked into the room
The broads be on the B@uce and dem bzies all must choose
And they all sing the same ol tune
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
check me out
whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,whoa
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Compare the game tape.
Gaither was decisive. New his coverage assignments and filled the proper gaps.
McClain often looked lost. It’s not even close when you compare the film.
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Indeed.
Almost all the long runs were over gaps he vacated to stick his dick into a lineman elsewhere. He did it his entire career… and so did Morrison.
Never noticed it with Gaither.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
McClain often looked lost. It’s not even close when you compare the film.
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I think it’s a simple matter of McClain being too slow.
265 lbs just ain’t gonna cut it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Well i know what your saying, DMAC and receivers are culprits as well , DMAC was too stubborn to adjust to the scheme, there were many plays that could have went for TDs had he made certain cuts and cut backs, and found the right holes, but still Knapp wasn’t a good teacher, he was predictable in his play calling, i don’t know how much of that predictability had to do with the players but he was easily game planned against, n our players also didn’t do good things on the field when they had the chance to make plays, it goes both ways
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Good point, and there were a lot of 8-in-the-box plays that CP should have audibled out of but instead sent McF into the middle, especially early… not sure whats up with that. A robust OC would have made it a priority to identify those situations and made sure it CHANGED, but alas… same ol same ol all year. CP as veteran QB should know better, and Knapp should have made it a priority after one week of game film.
Teams just loaded the box in the first half and then backed off once we fell behind…
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I know audibling sounds like a good idea.
But you need those “wasted plays” for the ZBS to be effective. 2-3 yard gains for the first half is perfect.
We just need a decent receiving core. Our offense moved fine and showed balance when the receivers did their job.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
4-12. It didn’t have to go that way. But it did. Only stat that matters.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Gaither is not the answer folks.
CMON!!!!
They are talking about moving Burris to MLB already, lol.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
McClain often looked lost. It’s not even close when you compare the film.
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I think it’s a simple matter of McClain being too slow.
265 lbs just ain’t gonna cut it.
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I was right about McClain….why doubt me about Pryor?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Toyz Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
I say we pick up Chan Gailey for OC and let him decide wat QB to use
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Gailey couldnt choose the right RB in Buffalo, no thanks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Keep your day job DJ Baucy
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Gaither looked better because he is a 4-3 MLB, fit our scheme and was off the field during pass downs.
McClain has never played in a system that he fits, the 3-4.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:06 pm
McClain often looked lost. It’s not even close when you compare the film.
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I think it’s a simple matter of McClain being too slow.
265 lbs just ain’t gonna cut it.
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Thats not to be discounted. Just look at Rolando. He doesnt even pass the eyeball test. No muscle definition whatsoever. Im sorry but if he doesnt look like an athlete, he isnt one.
But it wasnt just his speed or lackthereof… Gaither knew what he was doing from the instant the ball was snapped. His reaction time was instant and decisive. Nothing like Rolando.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:10 pm
….why doubt me about Pryor?
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Because you were wrong about DMAC
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:10 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Gaither looked better because he is a 4-3 MLB, fit our scheme and was off the field during pass downs.
McClain has never played in a system that he fits, the 3-4.
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Agreed.
Changing DCs each year didnt help things either.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Gaither should be kept for depth.
Happy New Year, gentleman!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Lol go back to archives….in March I said Knapp was a failure and Palmer and Dmac didnt fit his offense. Kept even saying it during season but two main stooges on the blog advocated for Knapp and now they have backtracked since but still cant get a reprieve bexause these two wanted to blame players when this joke of a OC was clieless from the gate…you two stooges know who you are….and my boy Vegas Raider isnt one of them….can you guess which two main stooges defended the zba and wco in pitoful fashion and now act like they never did?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Our LBs also suffered from terrible DT play in front of them..
Find a food MLB/ILB, you’ll also find good DT play..
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Toyz Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
I say we pick up Chan Gailey for OC and let him decide wat QB to use
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Gailey couldnt choose the right RB in Buffalo, no thanks.
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Its almost criminal how many good RBs they had the past 5-10 years and they keep letting them go and then wasting more of their draft picks on new ones.
They should have just stuck with Willis McGhahee the first time and used the rest of the picks on building the rest of that team.
Horrible GM work. Im not big on ciriticizing GMs that much because unlike coaching, GM work isnt a science. It’s a crap shoot. But the Buffalo drafting the past decade and the decisions on who to keep and let go has been as if they have no plan whatsover.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Teams just loaded the box in the first half and then backed off once we fell behind…
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I know audibling sounds like a good idea.
But you need those “wasted plays” for the ZBS to be effective. 2-3 yard gains for the first half is perfect.
We just need a decent receiving core. Our offense moved fine and showed balance when the receivers did their job.
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That sounds a little bit like what Gruden did with Wheatley and Kaufman… Wheatley wore them out early then he let Kaufman loose in the 2nd half.
Interesting concept… but I still would rather audible out to keep defenses honest.
WR clearly needs a veteran number one for guidance and stability. Its been neglected since Brown retired, I think…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Our LBs also suffered from terrible DT play in front of them..
Find a food MLB/ILB, you’ll also find good DT play..
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Youre right about the second sentence.
Wrong about the first. Our DTs played well this year. Game tape showed that.
DE’s and MLB were our weakness. Cant seal the edge at DE nor fill the right gap with Rolando at MLB.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
They gave Ryan Fitzpatrick 40 million.
Thats like giving Matt Giordano a roster spot.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Jhill maybe you should get a job or a new rug Head the Hammer Williamson
…..or go back to defending schitty DTs as usual
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Teams just loaded the box in the first half and then backed off once we fell behind…
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I know audibling sounds like a good idea.
But you need those “wasted plays” for the ZBS to be effective. 2-3 yard gains for the first half is perfect.
We just need a decent receiving core. Our offense moved fine and showed balance when the receivers did their job.
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That sounds a little bit like what Gruden did with Wheatley and Kaufman… Wheatley wore them out early then he let Kaufman loose in the 2nd half.
Interesting concept… but I still would rather audible out to keep defenses honest.
WR clearly needs a veteran number one for guidance and stability. Its been neglected since Brown retired, I think…
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Gruden ran a PBS
But he believed that a 2 yard run was a success. And a 3 yard run was a bonus.
All he needed was a 3rd and 5-6 to go and he felt he could march down the field. But we also had guys like Tim Brown, Andre Rison, and Jerry Rice catching the damn ball.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:15 pm
HahahahahHahahahahaHahahahahahHahahahahaha someone said the DTs played well this year lolololol…..too much comedy
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Our LBs also suffered from terrible DT play in front of them..
Find a food MLB/ILB, you’ll also find good DT play..
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Youre right about the second sentence.
Wrong about the first. Our DTs played well this year. Game tape showed that.
DE’s and MLB were our weakness. Cant seal the edge at DE nor fill the right gap with Rolando at MLB.
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Our DT’s struggled to stick blocks.
Olinemen got to the 2nd level way too much.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
They gave Ryan Fitzpatrick 40 million.
Thats like giving Matt Giordano a roster spot.
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Fitz is accurate and clutch.
Not a bad QB.
Tough to look good when that org has no plan on how to build a team.
And it shows no signs of changing. 3 months ago they said Chan Gaily would get another year. Now they changed their minds. Its a rudderless ship of kneejerk reactions.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Our Defensive front was pretty decent on stretch/outside runs..
We got gashed up the gut repeatedly.
Until the last qtr of the season.
Desmond Bryant, Christo Bilukidi & at times even Tommy Kelly played well.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:10 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Gaither looked better because he is a 4-3 MLB, fit our scheme and was off the field during pass downs.
McClain has never played in a system that he fits, the 3-4.
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I hope some GM agrees with you so we can at least get a 5th or 6th out of him!
His gap wouldn’t be as large to give up as he sticks his dick in a lineman in a 3-4 I guess.
He is a robust tackler if he’s in the right spot… and not bad at blitzing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:18 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:14 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Our LBs also suffered from terrible DT play in front of them..
Find a food MLB/ILB, you’ll also find good DT play..
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Youre right about the second sentence.
Wrong about the first. Our DTs played well this year. Game tape showed that.
DE’s and MLB were our weakness. Cant seal the edge at DE nor fill the right gap with Rolando at MLB.
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Our DT’s struggled to stick blocks.
Olinemen got to the 2nd level way too much.
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Wrong.
I watched several games over and over and over for this. Our DTs regularly took on double teams and moved the line back. Rarely got pushed back.
Our MLB routinely missed his gap and our rookie occasionally did.
DE’s were none existent until Carter got here.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm
And prepare for another double digit loss season in 2013…..allen is back? Lol Palmer? Thats funny….I spent much time in the bar at coliseum this year watching the comedy show
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:19 pm
You got to be solid all over the field. That’s how opposing coaches exploited us. Something our coaches couldn’t do to opposing teams.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Da Trinity Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:00 pm
I was watching a movie called Fire with Fire and you’ll never guess who was in the movie. Namdi!!!! He was playing a Crip, it was funny as hell seeing trying to be gangsta. He was cussing up a storm. It was a trip.
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See comment #77, then #94.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:21 pm
DAV…….its pointless…..some dont get it about the DTs and never will
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Burton…..and nada will change in 2013
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Think they can trade Rolando?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I can’t quite put my finger on it. When Pryor runs, doesn’t he resemble a cross between a baby giraffe, and an ostrich? The kid is all legs when he takes off…
He needs to learn to tuck the ball in when he runs, and get that butterfly off his throws. He can turn out to be a pretty damn good QB in another year or so. He’s not there just yet….
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Bengals over the Texans
Packers over the Vikings
Colts over the Ravens
Skins over the Hawks
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Hahahahahahaha DTs moved oline back? Hahahahahahahahahaha comedy never stops in here
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I dont think they want to trade McClain.
They want to salvage him.
And it makes sense.
If not, he can me moved during the draft to move up in a round.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Burton…..and nada will change in 2013
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That’s a shame.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:25 pm
909…..when has Carson been there? Lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:26 pm
I honestly didnt see the DT’s move the OL back very often.
If anything I saw the OL let the DT shoot past him over shooting the gap.. then the RB cut back and kept running..
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Jackie–me being a racist is a joke. U claim to have added up my posts and come up with me being racist. Maybe ur humor is lacking. Sometimes I joke and if u can’t tell, oh well. And if u really paid attention, u would have seen how merciless I am with fangs. I’ll be serious for just a moment. I despise racism. Always have. Been called a nig-ger lover many times growing up in Indiana. My black friends who come to my home every week for poker would object. My coaching friends (and assistants) and my players and their families would object. My black relations would object. Calling out racism whenever someone doesn’t agree (or in this case think a great black kid can play qb) is a shame. It makes it less believable when it’s legit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:28 pm
2013 OFF-SEASON
OC: Norv Turner/Aaron Kromer/M.Mornhinweg/M.Trestman
OL: Tony Sparano/Juan Castillo/Bob Wylie
FREE AGENTS:
WR- Greg Jennings
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
DT- Justin Bannan
LB- Tavares Gooden
DRAFT [with trade down]:
1- John Hankins [NT]
2- Quanterius Smith [DE/OLB]
3- Logan Ryan [CB]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jake Stoneburner [TE]
DRAFT [w/o trade down]
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jonathan Cyprien [S]
Im out, I leave you with my master plan.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Fk Mcclain ….get this dimwitted southern dummy outta here
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm
DMAC makes us verrrry weak….
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I dont think they want to trade McClain.
They want to salvage him.
And it makes sense.
If not, he can me moved during the draft to move up in a round.
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Do you think he can be salvaged?
Whats it going to take to get this guy to come into camp in shape?
We’d almost have to change to a 3-4.
I dunno. Im not big on expecting people to change. People lose their kids to drugs and all sorts of other poor judgement that gets the better of them. Changing isnt exactly part of the human way.
And it seems that Rolando’s problems are not that he makes mistakes…. he has major character flaw issues. Those dont change overnight or at all usually. You are who you are. Poor judgement and lazy is what it is.
I wouldnt count on it with him. What do you think?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:29 pm
DAV…….no…that list sucks
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
1st TD in 4 weeks
1st rushing TD in 10 weeks
Nah Pryor ain’t ready. LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I dont think they want to trade McClain.
They want to salvage him.
And it makes sense.
If not, he can me moved during the draft to move up in a round.
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You are probably right. With the big$$$ he is due to make next year, he is probably nothing more than trade bait.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I dont think they want to trade McClain.
They want to salvage him.
And it makes sense.
If not, he can me moved during the draft to move up in a round.
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They don’t want to salvage him. He’s garbage. Adios McStain.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:31 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:28 pm
2013 OFF-SEASON
OC: Norv Turner/Aaron Kromer/M.Mornhinweg/M.Trestman
OL: Tony Sparano/Juan Castillo/Bob Wylie
FREE AGENTS:
WR- Greg Jennings
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
DT- Justin Bannan
LB- Tavares Gooden
DRAFT [with trade down]:
1- John Hankins [NT]
2- Quanterius Smith [DE/OLB]
3- Logan Ryan [CB]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jake Stoneburner [TE]
DRAFT [w/o trade down]
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- LaAdrian Waddle [RT]
7- Jonathan Cyprien [S]
Im out, I leave you with my master plan.
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You havent addressed our O-Line issues or CB depth.
Umenyiora will be a FA. We should consider it.
Pairing him with D Moore from A&M would be pretty damn good. With Houston and Carter off the bench.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:32 pm
I want Trestman + Palmer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Bo….naw dmac cool…..they brought knapp and he became worse player in league but he will be beyyer this year but dont expect great stuff…allen is a noodle and will het another trash OC he plays golf woth…then dmac goes to a team that uses jos skillset
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:04 pm
99,
Krapp was soooo bad, I can live with another year of Palmer.
I hope the new OC has a shorter leash for 20 though.
And we need to draft the LT from A&M to make up for Palmer lack of mobility.
Joeckel, Bowe, and a decent #1 WR and this can certainly be a playoff offense.
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JH,
Yes, Krapp was horrific. Sure, we can live with another year of CP.
But ultimately, this is about winning Lombardis.
I’m certainly not against drafting a stud LT.
Works for me. Bolstering the OL is a necessity. It might end with the QB, but it all starts up front.
But grabbing an impact player on defense (specifically a top pass rusher) is even more of a priority, IMO.
TP’s mobility, if he’s given the keys, makes drafting a LT even less of an immediate priority.
I’ll be happy with whatever position is selected with the #3 selection – just as long as that player turns out to be a beast.
This club has many holes that it’s very difficult to say any one particular position should be targeted with the top pick.
Just make sure we get a stud.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm
DMAC skillset = walkin boot
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Bo doesnt know…..come on…trestman is a wco guy…with palmer you will see a bunch of yards barely any wins….no thanks…fk ex niner trash
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:30 pm
1st TD in 4 weeks
1st rushing TD in 10 weeks
Nah Pryor ain’t ready. LOL
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Yeah Knapp sucks but…..TP still got some TD’s. Was it all Knapp?
Cut Palmer
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Walking boot is greg knapp….gone now
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Train TP (longshot), draft a few more qbs…not likely our next HOF qb is a raider today…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Hahahahaha pairing osi with moore?….haha this guy here is funny….both are RDEs….not a good maych….back to the lab
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Palmer excuses:
2011= Off the couch
2012= Knapp
2013= ????
I don’t want to see the excuse for 2013. Cut Palmer and roll with TP.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Boot kept hue from playoffs
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Bo and palmer is a hall of famer?lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Our d-line is solid. LB’s taking poor angles (mostly green beanie in the middle) were the real culprit. Poor coverage killed the pass rush.
Evidence? As soon as McClain was removed, and carter started, and Adams and Ross entered the lineup, the defense got better by leaps and bounds.
Which shows that Reggie and Allen and tracer know what they’re talking about and a few changes can make all the difference.
That’s why this nonsense if scrapping Palmer cuz “we won’t anyway” is bull. Add a #1 wr, a couple good linemen, and realize DMc is done, and this offense will fly in a hurry.
I for one will be laughing at all of u next season when Allen and Reggie and Palmer are killing it.
Btw, whoever says Palmer is “on the downside” doesn’t think much of 4k yards and 22 Tds in 14 games. And another thing. U idiots who keep saying throws a ton of picks. 14 in 14 games is about 2 or 3 too many but nowhere near an “interception machine”. The stupidity is amazing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Hue kept hue from playoffs
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm
C’mon DMAC is wwwwwweak. How many years til u get taught?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Hahahahahaha dline solid?…..what a joke
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:42 pm
HOFer? Reread
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Dmac was doing just fine the last two seasons until noodle head coacb wanted his rump ranger niner oc to come here. Dmac woll be better next year but dont expect great numbers…its a contract year. These guys now always plau for that next contract in thay last year
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Guys saying cut Palmer are stooges. Total jokes with no football acumen at all. They don’t even realize how stupid they found to people who know the game. Housewives and little kids have more football sense.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:45 pm
WR
DE
CB
MLB
OT
NT
RB
QB
Trade McFragile for any or all
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Bo…no need to reread schyt….i asked you a question
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Is there anyone out there that can give me five links to any quotes from an NFL Annalist, NFL Head Coach (past or present), NFL GM, or NFL Owner… basically, people in the business of the NFL, where they have stated something like, “I think the Raiders should start Pryor in 2013 instead of Carson Palmer.” Or anything like that by anybody that works in the NFL? Because I haven’t seen anyone in the “know” say anything remotely like that.
It’s crazy how many people are in here truly believing that Pryor is a better QB then Carson Palmer. Hey, I like Pryor. I truly wish he was better. I would love nothing more then to have a great young QB on our team to move into the future with. Pryor has talent, and he works his butt off and he has heart and leadership qualities that I love, but I’m sorry…. He still has a ton of issues to work on before you give him a starting job in the NFL. The biggest of which is his accuracy. That’s kind of important at the level.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
stability, continuity…..4-12.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Just fine? 9 games in a boot? Man up with the pain shot in Al’s RIP season!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Carson Palmer will never win a playoff game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Lol game film simply Doesnt lie.
They say pryor cant read the defense or be accurate.
at 10:30 of the first quarter pryor takes a 3 step drop looks at his first 2 reads they are covered. You see his head turn for a 3rd time and he finds reece crossing the field near the numbers.
Pryor delivers a perfect pass to his 3rd read which would have been a first down
reece can be counted on to make that catch most of the time.
Guys do you watch the games at all before you comment on what a player can or cant do?
by the way pryor was an “instant upgrade over palmer in 3 main areas that have killed us all year, red zone 3rd down and 4th quarter
quick compariosn 3rd down qb artiung
palmer 87.3 decent
pryor 96.9 OUTSTANDING!!!
4th quArter rating
Palmer 87 solid
Pryor 145.8 !!!! EYE POPPING!!!!
Red zone rating
palmer 91. pretty good
pryor 135 !!!!! VIDEO GAME NUMBERS!!!
PRYOR IS AN INSTANT UPGRADE OVER PALMER
please big mack and allen realizew this and get an oc that builds with PRYOR AS THE FOCAL POINT
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
dr_robert,
Pryor has played four quarters in two seasons. I saw some things I liked on Sunday, and some things that obviously need work.
I’ve been on the “Play TP” wagon ever since they were eliminated. Why? Because Leinart has nothing to offer this team that any other Joe Blow couldn’t offer.
I want to see Pryor as the #2 QB going forward. And then when their Hue-Made marriage to Palmer is over, they re-evaluate the position.
But there is NO WAY you can say you didn’t see some potential sunday when you consider that he’s had next to ZERO gametime.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Yes. D line solid. Look at film. Listen to knowledgable football people. If we cut kelly, 15 teams will want him and laugh at us. Bryant, bulukidi, Houston, and carter are legit. Shaughnessy struggled and is gone. Replaced and on the bench ur last few games before ur a FA mean u gone.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Fake Dr Roberta…..Palmer like Pryor is taking is nowhere in 2013…..only dumbasses makes excuses for his constant failures
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
561.rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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How about the Vikings and the Ravens. IMO Joe Flacco, way overated…Did you state two, b/c you already thought about the Vikings?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Palmer needs 2 rings here for HOF. Fat chance.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Bo doesnt know…..come on…trestman is a wco guy…with palmer you will see a bunch of yards barely any wins….no thanks…fk ex niner trash
>>>>>
Trestman threw the ball all the way to the SB! Carson would LOVE it.
Cmon man. His offense worked!
I’m not sure he’d come back, but being a successful HC in Canada isn’t what I’d want at the end of my resume…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Bo….ill keep dmac in jis contract yeat….i think you are missing that
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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Maybe the Vikings. That’s it. That’s a big “Maybe”
Cut Palmer!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Trestman offense worked? Last i checked we went in last place in 02
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
561.rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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How about the Vikings and the Ravens. IMO Joe Flacco, way overated…Did you state two, b/c you already thought about the Vikings?
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Palmer with AP would put them in the SB! Not sure he’d win it against Manning or Brady, but it would be a great game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Eseterik–I saw potential…..as a wr or returner. His passing is awful. 46% 70.8 rating is terrible. So are those rainbow ducks he throws. He was extremely lucky he didn’t have 5 or 6 picks. That last td was a prayer.
If u think u saw an nfl passer, then sorry but u have no clue.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Contract year can’t solve balsa wood legs and no heart
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
titsstrong# or bust for 2013…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Roberta you have no football knowledge …you defend palmer…so shut the fk up rookie…you not ready for me at all
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Mistic go back to the day we picked up Palmer, I (formerly HueKnows) think I was the only one with you. Palmer is a hack. And so is DA by the way.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Trestman made Rich a MVP and Gruden exposed as way too conservative.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Damn we are at nearly 600 posts in 4hrs!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
578.RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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Maybe the Vikings. That’s it. That’s a big “Maybe”
Cut Palmer!
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Why cut him? Rumors have been swirling that he is going to redo is deal? Especially if he gets traded to a team he wants to go to. I doubt Palmer is playing for $$$ alone.
Why not try to trade him?
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
we have the first set practice squad…hell yeah…playoffs! lmao
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Trestman offense worked? Last i checked we went in last place in 02
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Dude. Cmon. Callahan changed the offense!!
Gannon won a MVP with Trestman as OC.
In 2002 he was promoted to offensive coordinator and the Raiders led the NFL in total offense with 389.8 yards per game and passing yards with 279.7 per game. Under Trestman’s guidance, Raiders QB Rich Gannon won the 2002 NFL MVP award as the Raiders reached Super Bowl XXXVII,
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
No heart…i disagree with you on that…..if you look at spprts guys find this miraculous way of being good and healthy when contract year is on….use your brain…bo you smarter than this
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Suck for Clowney 2013…
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
561.rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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How about the Vikings and the Ravens. IMO Joe Flacco, way overated…Did you state two, b/c you already thought about the Vikings?
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Palmer with AP would put them in the SB! Not sure he’d win it against Manning or Brady, but it would be a great game.
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No Palmer would throw a critical game losing pick 6 in the first round of the playoffs. I would go with Ponder. They did beat the Packers already
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Gannon fraud mvp yeaf was a joke lol….dink and dunkin stuff geys zero credit….callahan chamged offense?…… you are one lost guy hahahahahahahaha
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Eseterik–I saw potential…..as a wr or returner. His passing is awful. 46% 70.8 rating is terrible. So are those rainbow ducks he throws. He was extremely lucky he didn’t have 5 or 6 picks. That last td was a prayer.
If u think u saw an nfl passer, then sorry but u have no clue.
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I saw a guy who hasn’t played in two seasons. I saw a guy who can improve his passing with experience. I believe he would look a lot sharper had they played him a month ago. I saw a guy with a lot more to offer than Matt Leinart.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Name one TEAM, playoff or non-playoff that would even have Pryor on their team as a qb. None. He’s a waste of time as a qb.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
561.rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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How about the Vikings and the Ravens. IMO Joe Flacco, way overated…Did you state two, b/c you already thought about the Vikings?
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The Vikings were carried to the playoffs on the back of one of the best running backs of all time and Ponder is terrible, so yes I did think of them.
Joe Flacco may be overrated but this is where there is a debate. There are arguments for both.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Palmer is current leader by far in pick sixes for his career…palmer clit lickers cant dispite it….oh ots someone else’s failt….typical
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
No Palmer would throw a critical game losing pick 6 in the first round of the playoffs. I would go with Ponder. They did beat the Packers already
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Ding Ding we have a winner!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Name one TEAM, playoff or non-playoff that would even have Pryor on their team as a qb. None. He’s a waste of time as a qb.
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What a dumb comment.
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Palmer is best shot with so many holes on the roster.
Fix D is on Allen, O is on ???
Peyton would lose with this crew.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Flacco overrated? Must be nice to be in playoffs all 5 years while never losing in first round lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Nope… we don’t want an OC that once led the NFL in total offense!!
Cmon guys.
Trestman would be a perfect fit here… he’d love working with Carson like he did with Gannon. Gannon snapped his neck and his NFL career ended.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Why so much hate on Gannon… he made this team relevant for a few seasons…
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Trestman not idiot Callahan
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Leading Off: Raiders should fire Allen sooner rather than later
By Victor Contreras
vcontreras@sacbee.com
Published: Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013 – 12:00 am | Page 1C
Last Modified: Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013 – 6:56 am
In firing a handful of assistants Monday morning, including offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, Dennis Allen in a sense publicly admitted to making bad hires when he became the Raiders’ coach last January.
It’s too bad Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie won’t admit to his own mistake and fire Allen, too.
It was apparent in 2012 that the jump from Denver Broncos defensive coordinator to Raiders head coach was too big for Allen. There’s no shame in that fact. Many successful offensive and defensive coordinators have made bad head coaches.
Ask the 49ers about Mike Singletary and Mike Nolan.
But when McKenzie searched for his coach last January, there were not many candidates with successful years of NFL head-coaching experience on their résumés. McKenzie interviewed guys named Todd Bowles, Winston Moss and Pete Carmichael Jr. before hiring Allen.
If McKenzie searched today for a head coach, the unemployment line includes Lovie Smith, Andy Reid, Norv Turner and others.
McKenzie would be able to hire a coach with a winning background, a coach yearning for a new start after recent struggles.
Tom Cable and Hue Jackson were fired by the Raiders after consecutive 8-8 seasons. So why should Allen get another season after just four wins?
Because McKenzie wants to stay the course he mapped out last January. Firing the captain of his ship could have Raiders owner Mark Davis wondering if he made a mistake in hiring McKenzie.
Another 4-12 season or worse and the dominoes will begin to fall.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Ahh well, the Palmer haters are taking over. The median IQ level is sinking quickly… I will stop back later…
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Any of you guys that say, “Get rid of Palmer and start Pryor, because its an upgrade at QB.” are nuts in my opinion. And I have not been able to find any takes from any know person in the NFL that agrees with any of you. But, please.. prove me wrong and show me some.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Palmer= rich spoiled socal brat who never won even at pee wee levels…all everyone did was coddle him and say it wasnt his fault….25 years of playing football and never a winner
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I’ll get behind the Palmer bandwagon if the TV networks promise to pixelate the look on his face after any turnovers or sacks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Blame Reggie McKenzie, Dennis Allen Not Greg Knapp
Dec 31st, 2012 at 12:40 pm by Chris Shellcroft
It’s all too easy to blame Greg Knapp for the inexplicable regression of Oakland’s offense this season. That Knapp and three other coaches were fired today about says all you need to know. There is no way around it, Knapp’s second tenure in the East Bay was more disastrous than his first and there was no argument to be made for keeping him around next season.
To be sure Greg Knapp’s firing was long overdue. However the reality is Dennis Allen should have never made the call in the first place. Allen’s inexperience showed when he arrogantly assumed Knapp’s previous failures in Oakland were the result of the old regime and not due to Knapp’s inability to maximize talent.
Before Knapp arrived Hue Jackson had transformed the Raiders into a lethal offense whose bread and butter was the running game. But that apparently wasn’t good enough for the new regime. Like most who come to power for the first time first year GM Reggie McKenzie and rookie head coach Allen desired to do things their way regardless of past success or failure.
Therein lies the real problem with this failed season.
Blaming Knapp is easy because his name is on the offense. But Knapp is as Knapp does. Had the Raiders hired a high school volleyball coach to coordinate the offense the results would not have been much different. So the ultimate blame falls at the feet of the men who not only made the hires but also allowed them to stick around when nothing was working as it should.
Allen was wrong to ignore Knapp’s track record in Oakland and his general manager was equally culpable for sitting on his hands as the season unraveled largely because the Raiders simply could not run the rock.
Knapp’s zone blocking scheme was never a good fit for Darren McFadden. We all learned that some years ago. Too bad Allen and McKenzie were blinded by their own selfish desires. From the start of the preseason it was obvious that the Raiders were having trouble adjusting to the new scheme.
However after every woeful showing the term “patience” was preached. The problem is you don’t get patience from fans when they’ve seen the same parts work in harmony in a better system.
So instead of scrapping the failed ZBS Knapp chose to incorporate some power blocking principles. Mind you that likely only came about once owner Mark Davis urged McFadden to talk to Knapp about his ill-fitting scheme. But even that didn’t help.
Fundamentally Knapp’s design was flawed from the start. McFadden’s struggles were the most obvious but even Carson Palmer was never meant to play in an offense designed for mobile throwers. Palmer’s numbers might look nice but at no point during the season did the Raiders have a pulse when it came to stretching the field.
Whether or not McKenzie liked the roster he inherited is irrelevant. This team was built for power running and vertical throwing. Maybe that’s not the type of football McKenzie and Allen wanted to play but that is selfish on their part. Whatever it takes to win in the NFL it what the job requires. John Fox scrapped his entire offense and installed the Tim Tebow system a year ago. In the end Denver won the AFC West then changed systems all together when they landed Peyton Manning this year. Once again the Broncos are best in the West. The lesson is simple – work with the pieces you’ve got and adapt to them so as to maximize their talents.
That didn’t happen in Oakland this season and the biggest reason for it was a stubborn belief that the coaches knew best despite what the stats revealed.
On the season the Raiders scored just three rushing touchdowns. The red zone offense was anemic and the passing game was comprised of check downs and failed screens.
Knapp’s offense was a failure on all fronts. This cannot be argued and asking for more “patience” was an insult.
McKenzie and Allen, like all of us in life, made some serious mistakes this year. Going forward it will be on McKenzie to be more involved with his coaching staff. How Knapp’s previous failures in Oakland went ignored prior to his hiring is incomprehensible. Why McKenzie sat back and watched as the offense stalled week after week is shameful.
For Allen he too needs to learn to seek council when it comes to hiring his staff. Scrapping every element of an offense that was among the best in the NFL was foolish, ill-advised and ultimately proved costly. Oakland’s defense was never going to be a dominant unit this season so the offense had to take the lead. That did not happen and as a result the season was lost.
There is plenty of blame to be shared for this debacle not the least of which was ignoring the pleas of the fans. After two weeks it was impossible to ignore just how incompetent Knapp’s offense was. Yet he was given a pass each week without any fear of losing his job. Knapp got comfortable and started talking as if he was going to be around long enough to get his scheme working.
Whoever comes in next will inherit plenty of talent. The real question is will the Oakland brass be willing to admit that not everything done differently means its being done better. We’ve got McKenzie’s back but the patience of Raider Nation was really tested this season.
In the NFL there is no guarantee of tomorrow. McKenzie and Allen took this season as on-the-job training. Well, the training wheels are off and from here out it’s a day-to-day evaluation. Another uninspired round of hires combined with a lack of urgency during the next regular season will lead to the exact same results. There is no shame in being wrong but there is plenty of shame to found when one cannot admit failures. McKenzie and Allen wanted so badly to prove they were right that they allowed Knapp’s shortcoming to sabotage an entire season. This cannot happen again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Krapp is still fired, right ?
2013 might not end well, but it sure started off on a good note.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Leading Off: Raiders should fire Allen sooner rather than later
By Victor Contreras
vcontreras@sacbee.com
Published: Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013 – 12:00 am | Page 1C
Last Modified: Wednesday, Jan. 2, 2013 – 6:56 am
In firing a handful of assistants Monday morning, including offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, Dennis Allen in a sense publicly admitted to making bad hires when he became the Raiders’ coach last January.
It’s too bad Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie won’t admit to his own mistake and fire Allen, too.
It was apparent in 2012 that the jump from Denver Broncos defensive coordinator to Raiders head coach was too big for Allen. There’s no shame in that fact. Many successful offensive and defensive coordinators have made bad head coaches.
Ask the 49ers about Mike Singletary and Mike Nolan.
But when McKenzie searched for his coach last January, there were not many candidates with successful years of NFL head-coaching experience on their résumés. McKenzie interviewed guys named Todd Bowles, Winston Moss and Pete Carmichael Jr. before hiring Allen.
If McKenzie searched today for a head coach, the unemployment line includes Lovie Smith, Andy Reid, Norv Turner and others.
McKenzie would be able to hire a coach with a winning background, a coach yearning for a new start after recent struggles.
Tom Cable and Hue Jackson were fired by the Raiders after consecutive 8-8 seasons. So why should Allen get another season after just four wins?
Because McKenzie wants to stay the course he mapped out last January. Firing the captain of his ship could have Raiders owner Mark Davis wondering if he made a mistake in hiring McKenzie.
Another 4-12 season or worse and the dominoes will begin to fall.
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Yeah this year is a good year to look for a HC coach. Not firing DA will be another bad decision by Reggie.
A lot of good coaches available.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Name one TEAM, playoff or non-playoff that would even have Pryor on their team as a qb. None. He’s a waste of time as a qb.
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If that’s how you feel, fine. I don’t agree.
I think they missed a golden opportunity to get him as much playing time as possible over the last month, when the games have been mostly meaningless. He’d be much further along by now if they had given him the keys three-four games ago.
I’m not saying he should be given the chance to start. Obviously, we have no choice but to ride it out with CP. But, it makes no sense to me to keep Leinart and give up on this kid.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Carson=quitter wjose former team back in the postseason….dalton went back to back in post seaslm appearances …has palmer ever did that? Thanks
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
RaidO Says:
What a dumb comment.
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That needed to be said in this blog?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
i more season and opie will be gone…mumbles with him…
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Season *
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
SoCal vs NoCal is such weak ish anymore
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:08 pm
408
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:10 pm
4000 yards w no run game? Not our top 3 issue, qb
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
SoCal vs NoCal is such weak ish anymore
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Pasadena boy in Grass Valley. Haven’t noticed sch1t. Hah.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Bo…..sorry but you dont like truth….carson is a rich spoiled socal brat and those types are infinitely the worse….he sucks and there is no way of getting around it
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
How many of those 4000 came in wins? See raiders record when he doesnt chuck up hella yards lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Cwolfman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Any of you guys that say, “Get rid of Palmer and start Pryor, because its an upgrade at QB.” are nuts in my opinion. And I have not been able to find any takes from any know person in the NFL that agrees with any of you. But, please.. prove me wrong and show me some.
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It’s Pryor Time. You don’t see any because the Raiders are irrelevant and have been for some time. But here you go take it for what it’s worth:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/52986/time-to-look-at-terrelle-pryor
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Name one TEAM, playoff or non-playoff that would even have Pryor on their team as a qb. None. He’s a waste of time as a qb.
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If that’s how you feel, fine. I don’t agree.
I think they missed a golden opportunity to get him as much playing time as possible over the last month, when the games have been mostly meaningless. He’d be much further along by now if they had given him the keys three-four games ago.
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He wouldn’t be further along. That’s the point. Pryor was put out there with no tape, no discussion, no announcement, nothing. So opponents had NOTHING to go on. Now with a full game on tape, opponents can begin breaking down tendencies, what worked for Pryor, weaknesses, all of it. And I did not see a guy who could stand in the pocket and rifle it around the yard. I saw an inaccurate guy who after two seconds started running around like crazy. That doesn’t win NFL games.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I keep asking you nitwits…what position in football has wins and losses attached to their line?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:17 pm
It’s Pryor Time.
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At WR.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Palmer is best shot with so many holes on the roster.
Fix D is on Allen, O is on ???
Peyton would lose with this crew.
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lol yeah kind of like Hue and JC huh? GTFOH with that schit, Knapp was the problem, why is that so hard for some of ya’ll to see that smdh
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
4000 yards w no run game? Not our top 3 issue, qb=
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Whenever we upgrade at any position, the ‘new’ Raider fans demand a downgrade to continue the losing that is all they’ve known. They remember Gruden as the greatest Raider coach. Oh, well.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Lol oakglenn…..pick sixes and fumbles for ten years doesnt win nfl games either
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I keep asking you nitwits…what position in football has wins and losses attached to their line?
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So do pitchers in baseball. But football is a much much more team oriented game than baseball. Not really a fair stat to hang on a Q.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
I keep asking you nitwits…what position in football has wins and losses attached to their line?
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Depends on your source. Real answer is “none should” except head coach.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Cwolfman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Any of you guys that say, “Get rid of Palmer and start Pryor, because its an upgrade at QB.” are nuts in my opinion. And I have not been able to find any takes from any know person in the NFL that agrees with any of you. But, please.. prove me wrong and show me some.
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It’s Pryor Time. You don’t see any because the Raiders are irrelevant and have been for some time. But here you go take it for what it’s worth:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/52986/time-to-look-at-terrelle-pryor
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Yeah, that does not say Pryor should start over Palmer. It even says, “Meanwhile, could Palmer have played his final game in Oakland? There has been some speculation the Raiders will move on because he has a huge contract for 2013. I can see a restructuring of Palmer’s contract, but I’d be surprised if he wasn’t in Oakland next season. There just aren’t any better options and Oakland has much bigger needs than quarterback going into the offseason.” Notice the last sentence? That was before the last game, but I still have not seen anyone that works in or around the NFL say anything like, “After watching Pryor play, the Raiders should consider getting rid of Palmer and starting Pryor, because he is the better option.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Dont matter….when allen and palmer are gone then we can be possibly excited….until then….just get drunk and high…laugh like i do
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Where you been, Method, and why you on fire now?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Get an OC that plays too our TOP QB and RB’s strengths and will be rollin next season!
ALSO WE NEED TO DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE!
THIS TEAM HAS SO MANY PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO HIT ON THE FIRST AND THIRD ROUND PERIOD!
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:22 pm
If we are gonna lose games, which we will with DA as the coach, at least let’s make the games exciting. With Palmer all you get is a slight comeback, to pad the stats, then a hope smashing int.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
….until then….just get drunk and high…laugh like i do
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Finally. Justification.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Pervert man….you are definitely heavy in GRASS valley to even post thay…..how about all sources!
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:24 pm
pryor is too green to start at QB!
He needs another year behind Palmer!
Palmer will be better with a halfway decent running game!
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:24 pm
ALSO WE NEED TO DRAFT THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE!
THIS TEAM HAS SO MANY PROBLEMS WE HAVE TO HIT ON THE FIRST AND THIRD ROUND PERIOD!
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
I been chillin…blog has lost its way plus it was holiday time….i was getting major league faded
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Cwolfman, can you find any article about the Raiders? Is there even an article about who we might hire as OC? There are none because nobody writes anything about a 4-12 team that could easily be 2-14 or 0-16.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Whenever we upgrade at any position, the ‘new’ Raider fans demand a downgrade to continue the losing that is all they’ve known. They remember Gruden as the greatest Raider coach. Oh, well.
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Perfect example:
Whoknows Says:
If we are gonna lose games, which we will with DA as the coach, at least let’s make the games exciting. With Palmer all you get is a slight comeback, to pad the stats, then a hope smashing int.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Roberta you have no football knowledge …you defend palmer…so shut the fk up rookie…you not ready for me at all
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well, ur handle doesn’t make sense and u talk like a retard. i can barely understand u. u not only diss the #19 passer in history but then diss gannon’s mvp year, so u are now the new dumbest poster ever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Best player available? Well its obvious thats Damonte Moore…but regina mcribzie will screw it up
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
I been chillin…blog has lost its way plus it was holiday time….i was getting major league faded
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With ya. .and I promise to shake you hand next year at O.Co.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:48 pm
561.rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Name 2 teams in the playoffs right now that would be better off with Palmer.
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How about the Vikings and the Ravens. IMO Joe Flacco, way overated…Did you state two, b/c you already thought about the Vikings?
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Palmer with AP would put them in the SB! Not sure he’d win it against Manning or Brady, but it would be a great game.
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No Palmer would throw a critical game losing pick 6 in the first round of the playoffs. I would go with Ponder. They did beat the Packers already
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u would take ponder over palmer. so, either ur just blindly dissing palmer no matter what, or u are so moronic when it comes to football, u must have never seen the game before.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Name one TEAM, playoff or non-playoff that would even have Pryor on their team as a qb. None. He’s a waste of time as a qb.
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If that’s how you feel, fine. I don’t agree.
I think they missed a golden opportunity to get him as much playing time as possible over the last month, when the games have been mostly meaningless. He’d be much further along by now if they had given him the keys three-four games ago.
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He wouldn’t be further along. That’s the point. Pryor was put out there with no tape, no discussion, no announcement, nothing. So opponents had NOTHING to go on. Now with a full game on tape, opponents can begin breaking down tendencies, what worked for Pryor, weaknesses, all of it. And I did not see a guy who could stand in the pocket and rifle it around the yard. I saw an inaccurate guy who after two seconds started running around like crazy. That doesn’t win NFL games.
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Well, people see different things.
I don’t think you can say, after one game, that another team can look at film and spot tendencies. He doesn’t even know what he’s doing yet. And that’s my premise: He looked okay for a guy who has been standing around for 31 games.
Secondly, I’m not campaigning for Pryor to compete with CP. I’m looking for him to develop and be the #2 guy. And I think he’s more than capable of being that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Eseterik–I saw potential…..as a wr or returner. His passing is awful. 46% 70.8 rating is terrible. So are those rainbow ducks he throws. He was extremely lucky he didn’t have 5 or 6 picks. That last td was a prayer.
If u think u saw an nfl passer, then sorry but u have no clue.
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I saw a guy who hasn’t played in two seasons. I saw a guy who can improve his passing with experience. I believe he would look a lot sharper had they played him a month ago. I saw a guy with a lot more to offer than Matt Leinart.
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he doesn’t have an nfl arm. it can never be an nfl arm without bionic replacement.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
man both if thise articles hit the nail on the head…howsome of these guys in here cannot see it idk…
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Doc, you think Palmer is the #19 QB of all time? Or are you just throwing out a meaningless stat?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Dr._robert just comitted blog suicide. I would have been in favor of it when he picked a freaking beatles tune for his handle. Sorry, Bob.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Roberta….im definitely not new…you are the newbie here…i been put in work on this blog so shut the fk up……palmer number 19? Oh yeah the number of pick sixes he has in his career ….now you have convinced me
Gannon mvp was a joke he dinked and dinked…never challenged a defense up fiwld…see jis sb performance? Raiders were in last place that year
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Cwolfman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Any of you guys that say, “Get rid of Palmer and start Pryor, because its an upgrade at QB.” are nuts in my opinion. And I have not been able to find any takes from any know person in the NFL that agrees with any of you. But, please.. prove me wrong and show me some.
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and u won’t find any. not one. only guys who were surprised he wasn’t a total idiot on the field, and think he showed better than they thought.
not a single gm would pick him up as a qb if we cut him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Palmer= rich spoiled socal brat who never won even at pee wee levels…all everyone did was coddle him and say it wasnt his fault….25 years of playing football and never a winner
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complete retard. he won the heisman u moron. i bet u can’t read.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Perverted one…cool…i met a few new ones this yeat…was happy to meet some fellow bloggers thru these schitty times
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Cwolfman, can you find any article about the Raiders? Is there even an article about who we might hire as OC? There are none because nobody writes anything about a 4-12 team that could easily be 2-14 or 0-16.
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Sure.. I can give tons of links to article on the Raiders (most of the from local writers admittedly), but none of them will have much on who we might hire right now, because we are only 2 days from firing our OC. You don’t hear a who lot about any of the teams hiring coordinators in any case, unless it is a big named person. But, my point was that I have not even “heard” anyone in the NFL say the Raiders are better off with Pryor then they would be with Palmer. Have you?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Good evening nation,,
Mystic, l take my hat off to you.. Post #9 is an all time classic..you tell it straight out…you have taken criticism for your vieww..you are right in your assessment..
We all know you can lead a horse to water,,,,,that goes for the horses axxes too…you can’t make em drink..
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Carson=quitter wjose former team back in the postseason….dalton went back to back in post seaslm appearances …has palmer ever did that? Thanks
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The Bengals have allowed an average of 12.8 points over the past eight games, and their defense has scored a touchdown the past three weeks.
ur too stupid for words.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Lol heisman? Didnt oj? Rashan sallam? Eric crouch? Chris weinke? Shebow? Hahahahahahahahaha yeah you really took me to school lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Chip Kelly generally discussing whether his college scheme can work in the NFL…
“There’s a lot of ways to play football,” Kelly said. “Trends go one way and the other. . . . Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system. Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I keep asking you nitwits…what position in football has wins and losses attached to their line?
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none moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
OJ was pretty good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Cwolfman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Cwolfman, can you find any article about the Raiders? Is there even an article about who we might hire as OC? There are none because nobody writes anything about a 4-12 team that could easily be 2-14 or 0-16.
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Sure.. I can give tons of links to article on the Raiders (most of the from local writers admittedly), but none of them will have much on who we might hire right now, because we are only 2 days from firing our OC. You don’t hear a who lot about any of the teams hiring coordinators in any case, unless it is a big named person. But, my point was that I have not even “heard” anyone in the NFL say the Raiders are better off with Pryor then they would be with Palmer. Have you?
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Same logic, we are only 3 days out from the end of the season. I guarantee you will see some come preseason and maybe a few pre-draft. I repeat I haven’t seen any articles that about to anything especially players.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Roberta Flack……talk about bengals last 32 games without palmer…ill show you a winning record lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Oj pretty good with a knife and a bag of blow lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
….until then….just get drunk and high…laugh like i do
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it shows
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
665.GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Chip Kelly generally discussing whether his college scheme can work in the NFL…
“There’s a lot of ways to play football,” Kelly said. “Trends go one way and the other. . . . Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system. Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
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Why Knapp failed as the OC:
“Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Roberta Flack….no position has wins and losses attached to it? And im the stupid one?lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Palmer is not going anywhere folks. Nor should he. But that’s beside the point. 1) Reggie and DA are on thin ice. They’re not entrusting this team to Pryor or some other unproven commodity with their jobs on the line. 2) I believe we’d take an enormous cap hit by letting Palmer walk. I’m not totally sure about that, but I believe it’s the case. If true, that alone wipes any possibility of a CP3 send off.
Aside from that stuff, Palmer is still a very good QB. INTs were not a huge issue with him this year. Other than a few games when he first took over and didn’t know the play book last year they haven’t been nearly the problem some would suggest. Look, he’s a gunslinger. He’s gonna have some picks, about 1 per game for his career and for this season, which is along the lines of a lot of good QBs that are gunslingers such as Eli Manning, Brett Favre, Rivers, Bree’s, Stafford, etc.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Oj pretty good with a knife and a bag of blow lol
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That’s how you slice your way thru’ the lines.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
I sure hope DA and Reggie pull their heads out of the sand and read these articles.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Roberta Flack…..it shows…how bout you meet me face to facs and ill show you how bad ill beat the fk outta you?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Doc, you think Palmer is the #19 QB of all time? Or are you just throwing out a meaningless stat?
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documented fact. stats don’t lie, liars do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Oh, damn. That’s the post of the year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Post 672 = Great call.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Of curse, it’s Jan. 2.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Dr._robert just comitted blog suicide. I would have been in favor of it when he picked a freaking beatles tune for his handle. Sorry, Bob.
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blog suicide? is that like a blog drive-by?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Perverted one….lol touche
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Eseterik–I saw potential…..as a wr or returner. His passing is awful. 46% 70.8 rating is terrible. So are those rainbow ducks he throws. He was extremely lucky he didn’t have 5 or 6 picks. That last td was a prayer.
If u think u saw an nfl passer, then sorry but u have no clue.
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I saw a guy who hasn’t played in two seasons. I saw a guy who can improve his passing with experience. I believe he would look a lot sharper had they played him a month ago. I saw a guy with a lot more to offer than Matt Leinart.
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he doesn’t have an nfl arm. it can never be an nfl arm without bionic replacement.
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Disagree. I don’t think arm strength is the issue. He’s got no confidence and he’s hesitant. Experience experience.
I don’t know that his arm will ever be like Kaepernick’s, but when he grows up and decides to let it fly we won’t be seeing those floaters.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Curse, course, whatever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Well, people see different things.
I don’t think you can say, after one game, that another team can look at film and spot tendencies. He doesn’t even know what he’s doing yet. And that’s my premise: He looked okay for a guy who has been standing around for 31 games.
Secondly, I’m not campaigning for Pryor to compete with CP. I’m looking for him to develop and be the #2 guy. And I think he’s more than capable of being that.
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Understood. The point is Pryor has not been just standing around for 31 games. He has had direct private coaching from a couple of very good guys who know their stuff, and then he has been running the scout team this year, which is very good experience for a guy like Terrel Pryor. Not only does he actually get to practice against NFL ones, but he gets to simulate guys like Phil Rivers, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, and run their favorite plays so he gets a flavor of what the entire league does. But after running the scout team all year he STILL couldn’t hit the ocean standing three feet deep in the surf. That ain’t good. Especially if you want to play Q.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Roberta stats are for accountants……Carson doesnt win ….wow he won heisman in weak ass year and didnt play for title…typical
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Roberta….im definitely not new…you are the newbie here…i been put in work on this blog so shut the fk up……palmer number 19? Oh yeah the number of pick sixes he has in his career ….now you have convinced me
Gannon mvp was a joke he dinked and dinked…never challenged a defense up fiwld…see jis sb performance? Raiders were in last place that year
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i’ve been here for 3 seasons. smartest guy in the room. it’s interesting that u type like u talk. challenging to figure what ur saying. so, the mvp was a joke but if he “callenged up field” he would have been better. u don’t want winners, just bombs.
so dumb it hurts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
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24 starts, 30 INTs. That’s really good?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Roberta Flack……talk about bengals last 32 games without palmer…ill show you a winning record lol
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The Bungholes have arguably one of the best defenses in the entire league. Their defensive line is absolutely top notch. While Palmer was there they were defensive doormats. Every year, and Mike Brown would not pay to bring anyone in. Which is why Palmer left. History my friend.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Roberta Flack……talk about bengals last 32 games without palmer…ill show you a winning record lol
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it’s defense and aj green u complete retard. u know less than anyone here. that’s hard to believe.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Is the racist troll monkey aka Dr. Nob having another “epic” meltdown?
LMAO
He likes to argue with other men to get their attention.
Pathetic racist troll monkey.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Roberta…you riff and mcdummy20 should start a men’s group for excuse makers
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Roberta Flack….no position has wins and losses attached to it? And im the stupid one?lol
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no dummy. show me an nfl stat with it. not a single official stat. ur seriously this stupid?
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
@Chris in NY
What did you think of Pryor?
Really surprised me…but I think you are correct that the smart thing is to hold onto Palmer for one more year. Hoefully at a reduced (very reduced rate).
Seems like Palmer and Pryor have a nice relationship and he wants to mentor TP.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Two good articles posted before too….1) reggie/allen to blame not knapp, and 2) allen should be fired.
They both focus on a lot of things we have been pointing out here all year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
665.GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Chip Kelly generally discussing whether his college scheme can work in the NFL…
“There’s a lot of ways to play football,” Kelly said. “Trends go one way and the other. . . . Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system. Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
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Why Knapp failed as the OC:
“Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have. The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
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Chip Kelly is HC material. Dennis Allen isnt. It is what it is. We have a lame head coach.
Yet some wanna keep him, no matter how lame he is. Because to them, its more important to keep a bad coach around, for at least 3 seasons, just for continuities sake. Meanwhile, the current GM, made it clear that he is not interested in continuity, since his very first move as GM was firing a head coach.
You ask any NFL fans of ANY other team, no matter how garbage they are, and you ask them if theyd trade their current head coach for Dennis Allen. And watch them laugh at you.
A few loose, miscellaneous Raiders fans = Dennis Allens entire fanbase.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Well, people see different things.
I don’t think you can say, after one game, that another team can look at film and spot tendencies. He doesn’t even know what he’s doing yet. And that’s my premise: He looked okay for a guy who has been standing around for 31 games.
Secondly, I’m not campaigning for Pryor to compete with CP. I’m looking for him to develop and be the #2 guy. And I think he’s more than capable of being that.
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Understood. The point is Pryor has not been just standing around for 31 games. He has had direct private coaching from a couple of very good guys who know their stuff, and then he has been running the scout team this year, which is very good experience for a guy like Terrel Pryor. Not only does he actually get to practice against NFL ones, but he gets to simulate guys like Phil Rivers, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, and run their favorite plays so he gets a flavor of what the entire league does. But after running the scout team all year he STILL couldn’t hit the ocean standing three feet deep in the surf. That ain’t good. Especially if you want to play Q.
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Running the scout team against the worst defense in the league. Is that supposed to get a guy game ready?
Sometimes a coach just has to stop being a weeny and pull the trigger. He needed REAL playing time. And he could’ve gotten it over the last month. they opted to keep playing Palmer–their big money guy–and let him break his ribs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Roberta…you riff and mcdummy20 should start a men’s group for excuse makers
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Don’t forget about Duck.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
So Roberta….same coaching staff and upper management wins in cincy now but was a constant loser with carson lol….oh its defense and aj green not andy dalton lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Roberta Flack…..it shows…how bout you meet me face to facs and ill show you how bad ill beat the fk outta you?
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LOL. spoken like a true academic. u wouldn’t like the results. are u a special kind of dumb aren’t u? ooh ooh. dumb guy get mad real quick. no can talk football with real smart guy. me want kill.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
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24 starts, 30 INTs. That’s really good?
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Yeah, but he threw seven, that’s right seven in his first three games. Because Jackson suited him up, told him he wasn’t going to play, and then hoisted out there with NO PRACTICE to save Jackson’s own skin. Which means he has thrown 23 picks in his last 23 starts. Not all that bad especially when you name all the Hall of Famers playing alongside him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Oooooh ooooh. Sounds like someone needs a potty break. If you pee on the floor then you are going to have to clean it up yourself. No soup for you! BTW, great deals on lawn furniture right now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Eseterik–I saw potential…..as a wr or returner. His passing is awful. 46% 70.8 rating is terrible. So are those rainbow ducks he throws. He was extremely lucky he didn’t have 5 or 6 picks. That last td was a prayer.
If u think u saw an nfl passer, then sorry but u have no clue.
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I saw a guy who hasn’t played in two seasons. I saw a guy who can improve his passing with experience. I believe he would look a lot sharper had they played him a month ago. I saw a guy with a lot more to offer than Matt Leinart.
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he doesn’t have an nfl arm. it can never be an nfl arm without bionic replacement.
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Disagree. I don’t think arm strength is the issue. He’s got no confidence and he’s hesitant. Experience experience.
I don’t know that his arm will ever be like Kaepernick’s, but when he grows up and decides to let it fly we won’t be seeing those floaters.
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it’s not just arm strength. it’s accuracy and touch combined with a strong spiral. he just doesn’t throw well. never will. can’t teach it. it’s inherent.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
If you really look at things, Dennis Allens remarks and actions reek of desperation. Quickly fire the coaches that YOU were responsible for hiring, so as to scape goat THEM for the bad season.
So lets see, so far, Dennis Allen has blamed 1) the players, and 2) several coaches for the bad season.
Yet, he has taken no responsibility for HIS OWN mistakes.
This guy knows he blew it.
Hopefully, Mark sees through this guy and is trying to make something happen as we speak.
Dont let Allens remarks about him looking forward to next season fool you. He doesnt have ANY sayso on whether he will be the coach next season.
Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman gone, but somehow, I dont feel that this story has ended. WAY too early in the offseason.
The national “Fire Dennis Allen” articles are just now starting to make their rounds. This is starting to heat up.
Dennis aint safe.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Here’s another example.
Ray Horton DC Cards discussing his interview for HC with the Cards. Notice the last line or so.
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How do you fix the offense?
A. “It has to be different than it was. We talked about improving everything. Defensively, we’ve got to improve that, too. It’s not like they’re (the offense) just the sisters of the poor. We talked about getting better play from the quarterback and the offensive line and being open and honest about what we have to fix and how can we fix it. You can’t just say we’re going to get 22 new offensive players. You can’t do that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Roberta stats are for accountants……Carson doesnt win ….wow he won heisman in weak ass year and didnt play for title…typical
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stats are for intelligent people to compare results based on facts, not idiotic opinions that can’t be proven or disproven. that’s how real nfl people do things. it’s how sports is done. read moneyball. or in ur case, have someone read it to u.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Running the scout team against the worst defense in the league. Is that supposed to get a guy game ready?
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Nothing simulates actual game conditions. It can’t be done. But its not like they just pulled him off the street and threw him in there ice cold. The scouting reports on Pryor are he is an exceptional athlete, who has the tendency to tuck and run and is not the most accurate guy heaving the rock. That is EXACTLY what we saw. No surprises. Problem is in the NFL you have to be incredibly accurate.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
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24 starts, 30 INTs. That’s really good?
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122 games/189 td’s/130 int’s
#19 all time. yes, that’s really good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Here’s another example.
Ray Horton DC Cards discussing his interview for HC with the Cards. Notice the last line or so.
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How do you fix the offense?
A. “It has to be different than it was. We talked about improving everything. Defensively, we’ve got to improve that, too. It’s not like they’re (the offense) just the sisters of the poor. We talked about getting better play from the quarterback and the offensive line and being open and honest about what we have to fix and how can we fix it. You can’t just say we’re going to get 22 new offensive players. You can’t do that.
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Crazy how much more sense guys like Kelly or Horton make compared to the guy who we currently have.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Is the racist troll monkey aka Dr. Nob having another “epic” meltdown?
LMAO
He likes to argue with other men to get their attention.
Pathetic racist troll monkey.
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not only have u NEVER said anything worthwhile football-wise, but NEVER said anything funny either. buy a joke book or something coward.
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Roberta…you riff and mcdummy20 should start a men’s group for excuse makers
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again, no excuse necessary. palmer is really good. stats tell the story if ur eyes can’t tell u.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Doc, you think Palmer is the #19 QB of all time? Or are you just throwing out a meaningless stat?
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documented fact. stats don’t lie, liars do.
888888888888888888888888888888888888
Random list I came across. I got 31 on there. Tell me which 12 Palmer bumps off.
Montana
Brady
Manning
Manning
Manning
Marino
Unitas
Elway
Young
Farve
Starr
Staubach
Bradshaw
Brees
Graham
Tarkenton
Aikman
Warner
Rodgers
Baugh
Kelly
Fouts
Moon
Namath
Stabler
Griese
Tittle
Roethlisberger
Theismann
Simms
Plunkett
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Well, people see different things.
I don’t think you can say, after one game, that another team can look at film and spot tendencies. He doesn’t even know what he’s doing yet. And that’s my premise: He looked okay for a guy who has been standing around for 31 games.
Secondly, I’m not campaigning for Pryor to compete with CP. I’m looking for him to develop and be the #2 guy. And I think he’s more than capable of being that.
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Understood. The point is Pryor has not been just standing around for 31 games. He has had direct private coaching from a couple of very good guys who know their stuff, and then he has been running the scout team this year, which is very good experience for a guy like Terrel Pryor. Not only does he actually get to practice against NFL ones, but he gets to simulate guys like Phil Rivers, Peyton Manning, Cam Newton, and run their favorite plays so he gets a flavor of what the entire league does. But after running the scout team all year he STILL couldn’t hit the ocean standing three feet deep in the surf. That ain’t good. Especially if you want to play Q.
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Running the scout team against the worst defense in the league. Is that supposed to get a guy game ready?
Sometimes a coach just has to stop being a weeny and pull the trigger. He needed REAL playing time. And he could’ve gotten it over the last month. they opted to keep playing Palmer–their big money guy–and let him break his ribs.
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u guys just don’t get it. it wouldn’t matter if he played every day and the best coaches in the world and had 5 years to get ready. he doesn’t throw an nfl ball and u can’t teach an nfl ball. that’s the whole story.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Post 697 post of the day!
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
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24 starts, 30 INTs. That’s really good?
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122 games/189 td’s/130 int’s
#19 all time. yes, that’s really good.
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Okay. So he’s Warren Moon.
Sure, he’ll put up some numbers but he will–and has repeatedly–killed us with bad throws.
You’re trying to school me on what an NFL arm looks like. Well, for a guy who’s been around as long as Palmer has, he shouldn’t STILL be hanging balls up there to the inside for easy picks. And it happens almost weekly. Not saying he hasn’t thrown some INTs that were the result of a deflection or a drop, but he’s not #19 in my book.
Like I said, obviously he’s our #1 guy. But he’s not taking us anywhere.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Crazy how much more sense guys like Kelly or Horton make compared to the guy who we currently have.
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Well when you have guys on your team that continually leave their lanes on special teams, or false start on a lst and goal like Ausberry did last game or let Marques Colston run right by them like Mike Mitchell did against N.O. with 40 seconds to go in the half, or watch a guy like McFadden constantly go down on lst contact, anything you say is going to sound stupid really.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
So Roberta….same coaching staff and upper management wins in cincy now but was a constant loser with carson lol….oh its defense and aj green not andy dalton lol
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go ahead and laugh. that’s what clowns do.
andy dalton 16 games 3669 yards 62.3% 27 tds 16 ints 87.4 rating
carson palmer 14 games 4018 yards 61.1% 22 tds 14 ints 85.3 rating
dalton has aj green. we have denarious moore.
i will beat u every time.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Roberta aka MR…..the results would be fine as long as you don’t run as normal…you’ve punked out a million times……b auce_2010@yahoo.com…..I’m calling your bluff again pssy….anyhow time to watch some nba..but first go to store step my brew game up
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
u guys just don’t get it. it wouldn’t matter if he played every day and the best coaches in the world and had 5 years to get ready. he doesn’t throw an nfl ball and u can’t teach an nfl ball. that’s the whole story.
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ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Name the game killing ints dalton has compared to palmer…..what year is dalton in? Oh yeah his 2nd!.Palmer been in nfl since 03…..excuse train…the ticket to a better night sleep….RobertaMR…how’s sac treatin ya?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
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that’s a lie when it comes to me. i think the zbs is to the run game what the wco is to the pass game (revolutionized it). but i said all along i didn’t like knapp’s playcalling or lack of inventiveness.
try again.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:09 pm
ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.
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I’ve seen that somewhere before
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Dr. Nob says:
19th wah wah
19th wah wah
CP is great Wah wah
“Some racist crap” wah wah
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Doc, you think Palmer is the #19 QB of all time? Or are you just throwing out a meaningless stat?
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documented fact. stats don’t lie, liars do.
888888888888888888888888888888888888
Random list I came across. I got 31 on there. Tell me which 12 Palmer bumps off.
Montana
Brady
Manning
Manning
Manning
Marino
Unitas
Elway
Young
Farve
Starr
Staubach
Bradshaw
Brees
Graham
Tarkenton
Aikman
Warner
Rodgers
Baugh
Kelly
Fouts
Moon
Namath
Stabler
Griese
Tittle
Roethlisberger
Theismann
Simms
Plunkett
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don’t believe media hype or “legend”. just facts.
Rank Quarterback Rating
1 Aaron Rodgers 104.9
2 Steve Young 96.8
3 Tom Brady 96.6
4 Peyton Manning 95.7
5 Tony Romo 95.6
6 Philip Rivers 94.5
7 Drew Brees 94.3
8 Kurt Warner 93.7
9 Ben Roethlisberger 92.7
10 Joe Montana 92.3
11 Matt Schaub 91.9
12 Matt Ryan 90.9
13 Chad Pennington 90.1
14 Daunte Culpepper 87.8
15 Jeff Garcia 87.5
16 Otto Graham 86.6
17 Dan Marino 86.4
18 Joe Flacco 86.3
19 Carson Palmer 86.2
20 Brett Favre 86.0
Trent Green 86.0
22 David Garrard 85.8
23 Donovan McNabb 85.6
24 Rich Gannon 84.7
25 Marc Bulger 84.4
Jim Kelly 84.4
27 Mark Brunell 84.0
28 Jay Cutler 83.9
29 Roger Staubach 83.4
30 Steve McNair 82.8
31 Brian Griese 82.7
Neil Lomax 82.7
33 Len Dawson 82.6
Sonny Jurgensen 82.6
Matthew Stafford 82.6
36 Jason Campbell 82.5
Brad Johnson 82.5
38 Eli Manning 82.3
39 Matt Hasselbeck 82.2
40 Ken Anderson 81.9
Rank Quarterback Rating
41 Bernie Kosar 81.8
Neil O’Donnell 81.8
43 Danny White 81.7
44 Troy Aikman 81.6
45 Randall Cunningham 81.5
Dave Krieg 81.5
47 Jake Delhomme 81.3
48 Boomer Esiason 81.1
49 Warren Moon 80.9
50 Michael Vick 80.7
51 Jeff Hostetler 80.5
Bart Starr 80.5
53 Matt Cassel 80.4
Jeff George 80.4
Ken O’Brien 80.4
Fran Tarkenton 80.4
57 Steve Beuerlein 80.3
58 Dan Fouts 80.2
59 John Elway 79.9
Josh Freeman 79.9
61 Tony Eason 79.7
Kyle Orton 79.7
63 Elvis Grbac 79.6
64 Chris Chandler 79.1
Alex Smith 79.1
66 Byron Leftwich 78.9
Mark Rypien 78.9
68 Jim Everett 78.6
69 Aaron Brooks 78.5
Phil Simms 78.5
71 Bert Jones 78.2
Jim McMahon 78.2
Johnny Unitas 78.2
74 Jeff Blake 78.0
Bobby Hebert 78.0
76 Jim Harbaugh 77.6
Frank Ryan 77.6
78 Jon Kitna 77.4
Joe Theismann 77.4
80 Charlie Batch 77.2
Rank Quarterback Rating
81 Drew Bledsoe 77.1
Jay Fiedler 77.1
Bob Griese 77.1
84 Bill Kenney 77.0
85 Ryan Fitzpatrick 76.7
86 Gary Danielson 76.6
Erik Kramer 76.6
88 Doug Flutie 76.3
89 Stan Humphries 75.8
90 Wade Wilson 75.6
91 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
92 Steve Bono 75.3
Scott Mitchell 75.3
Ken Stabler 75.3
95 Tim Couch 75.1
Norm Van Brocklin 75.1
97 Sid Luckman 75.0
Vinny Testaverde 75.0
99 David Carr 74.9
Chris Miller 74.9
101 Don Meredith 74.8
Brian Sipe 74.8
103 Jake Plummer 74.6
104 Roman Gabriel 74.3
Y. A. Tittle 74.3
106 Steve DeBerg 74.2
Gus Frerotte 74.2
108 Earl Morrall 74.1
109 Kerry Collins 73.8
110 Frankie Albert 73.5
Craig Morton 73.5
112 Rodney Peete 73.3
113 Daryle Lamonica 72.9
Greg Landry 72.9
Don Majkowski 72.9
116 Ron Jaworski 72.8
Tommy Kramer 72.8
118 Tony Banks 72.4
119 Bubby Brister 72.3
John Brodie 72.3
Rank Quarterback Rating
121 Sammy Baugh 72.2
Milt Plum 72.2
Bill Wade 72.2
124 Mark Sanchez 72.0
125 Jay Schroeder 71.7
126 Billy Kilmer 71.6
127 Bill Munson 71.5
128 Rex Grossman 71.4
129 Terry Bradshaw 70.9
Lynn Dickey 70.9
131 Kordell Stewart 70.7
132 Trent Dilfer 70.2
Bill Nelsen 70.2
134 Vince Ferragamo 70.1
135 Steve Grogan 69.6
136 Kyle Boller 69.5
137 Joey Harrington 69.4
Doug Williams 69.4
139 Charley Johnson 69.2
140 Mike Tomczak 68.9
141 Eric Hipple 68.7
142 Joe Ferguson 68.4
143 Charlie Conerly 68.2
144 Dave M. Brown 67.9
145 Marc Wilson 67.7
Billy Joe Tolliver 67.7
147 Tom Flores 67.6
Richard Todd 67.6
149 Jim Plunkett 67.5
150 John Hadl 67.4
151 Jim Zorn 67.3
152 Archie Manning 67.1
Jim Hart 66.6
154 Joe Namath 65.5
Norm Snead 65.5
156 Rick Mirer 63.5
157 Bobby Layne 63.4
158 Jack Trudeau 63.3
Mike Pagel 63.3
Mike Livingston 63.3
Rank Quarterback Rating
161 Ed Brown 62.8
162 Mark Malone 61.9
163 Bob Waterfield 61.6
164 Eddie LeBaron 61.4
165 George Blanda 60.6
166 Babe Parilli 59.6
167 Dan Pastorini 59.1
168 Jack Kemp 57.3
169 Tobin Rote 56.8
170 Cotton Davidson 54.9
171 Mike Phipps 52.6
172 Frank Tripucka 52.2
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Pryor adds a dimension that palmer cant achieve.I hope he gets to compete for the starting position when camp opens.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
@Chris in NY
What did you think of Pryor?
Really surprised me…but I think you are correct that the smart thing is to hold onto Palmer for one more year. Hoefully at a reduced (very reduced rate).
Seems like Palmer and Pryor have a nice relationship and he wants to mentor TP.
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Rarely do you have a situation like the one The Oakland Raiders enjoy here. There is usually acrimony and counterproductive competition. This is the best scenario imaginable. You have a outstanding prospect being mentored by a savvy vet who has his best interest at heart. Pryor can trust and lean on Palmer for info he cannot get otherwise. Palmer has seen it all he is a pros pro. It’s as if Gannon were here but in a uni he can demonstrate how it should be done and how to break down film and study and opponent. These are things a player cannot get from a coach he can only get it from a player. breaking down film(film study) is the meat and potatoes of the business. It is more than gameplanning it is studying not only tendencies but matchups weaknesses and how to process information. He is learning how to play the position, from not someone who played 10 years ago. But plays NOW a coach cannot do that, learning how to study and opponent is 50-70% of the battle the rest is execution.
Most unsuccessful young QB’s are so because they just don’t know how to study film. How much do you do and how to sum up what a defense can and will do under certain situations.
This is soo advanced in terms of development it cannot be overestimated. Do you think for one second ASmith did that for kappy? Hell NO!
What Palmer is doing for Pryor is basically showing him how to take his job. That is unheard of but that is who Palmer is he is secure in his position in life and is willing to do the unthinkable. Pryor is very smart to be a absolute sponge and not let a second of this sort of training go by unappreciated.
It will accelerate his development twice as fast. And he should be grateful…..period
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
You love stats….what’s carson palmer’s record as a starter? How about as starter in oakland…..excuse train again lol…anyhow…time to jet…RobertaMr score a woman for once in your miserable life lmao….CODE BLACK…..B@UCE OUTRO
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
So you think Pennington, Culpepper and Garcia are 13, 14 and 15? LMAO
You go girl.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
yea Vince ferragamo,banning high school
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Pryor adds a dimension that palmer cant achieve.I hope he gets to compete for the starting position when camp opens.
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True, but Palmer has a dimenstion Pryor does not have: the ability to hit an open receiver.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
This is a cut up from ESPN article about Saints DC Spagnuola:
ESPN.com’s Pat Yasinskas writes about all things NFC South in his division blog.
• Blog network: NFL Nation
Under Spagnuolo, New Orleans’ defense was historically bad in 2012, allowing the most yards (7,042) ever in a single season. The Saints also finished last in total defense, rush defense and 31st in pass defense.
“To give up what we gave up can’t be all talent,” the unnamed player told the newspaper. “Look at where his units (have) been ranked before. I think one top 10?”
The player said Saints defenders didn’t have a say in Spagnuolo’s defense.
“He does have that good-guy persona, but he is a control freak and treats people like crap,” the player told the newspaper. “(Spagnuolo has) no patience and zero personality. (He) has a way of pissing players and our defensive coaches off with how he says and does things. (I) think it’s even harder after having (former defensive coordinator) Gregg (Williams), who guys enjoyed.”
Linebacker Curtis Lofton, who like Spagnuolo just finished his first season with the Saints, told the newspaper that he believes in his defensive coordinator’s system and called the anonymous player “a coward” for not attaching his name to his remarks.
“It was (Spagnuolo’s) first year putting it in, and everything we went through, yeah I’m a firm believer in the system,” Lofton told the newspaper. “I think it’s a complicated system, but at the same time, it has an answer for everything an offense does. We will be successful in the future. … Yes, there is some thinking that goes into it before the play and during the play, but once you’ve got a grasp to it, I really think this is a great system.”
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I saw excuses for palmer last season and it continues now….that zack morris clone better retire again and go hit the waves
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no excuses needed. he’s really good. u suck however.
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24 starts, 30 INTs. That’s really good?
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122 games/189 td’s/130 int’s
#19 all time. yes, that’s really good.
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Okay. So he’s Warren Moon.
Sure, he’ll put up some numbers but he will–and has repeatedly–killed us with bad throws.
You’re trying to school me on what an NFL arm looks like. Well, for a guy who’s been around as long as Palmer has, he shouldn’t STILL be hanging balls up there to the inside for easy picks. And it happens almost weekly. Not saying he hasn’t thrown some INTs that were the result of a deflection or a drop, but he’s not #19 in my book.
Like I said, obviously he’s our #1 guy. But he’s not taking us anywhere.
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ur missing the entire point. like palmer or not, to say we should go with a guy who throws 46% and a 70.8 rating is football suicide. if u don’t like palmer, clamor for a new draft pick or something. but don’t get behind a kid who, as good as he is in other areas, simply will never be an nfl passer. it’s a giant waste of ur time and his. he should be a wr. he could kill at that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Being on the Palmer bandwagon is so 2006
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
LMAO at the racist troll monkey aka Dr. Nob.
He thinks CP 19th is better than J Elway 59th. According to his dumb list, M Vick 50th is better than Elway 59th.
Still LOL at this moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
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that’s a lie when it comes to me. i think the zbs is to the run game what the wco is to the pass game (revolutionized it). but i said all along i didn’t like knapp’s playcalling or lack of inventiveness.
try again
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Well the other question was who blames the players all the time and give Knapp and the ZBS a pass or some schit like that, I know you always do this (except for Palmers failure) so I figured you were a knapp nutthugger like the others listed
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:15 pm
interesting argument about the DLine and LB problems….
Coming from a former college DT, the problem with rushing stems primarily from the Line Backers.
Theres a reason why the run defense got better as a result of McClain going to the bench and Burris becoming a better run defender and Des Bryant playing more.
I agree the TK is gone this year, but its not only because of his play, but mainly his salary. He’l start on another team and play decent.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Still LOL at that dumb list.
CP, rivers, and Vick are better than Elway?!?!
You are a crazy monkey.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Roberta aka MR…..the results would be fine as long as you don’t run as normal…you’ve punked out a million times……b auce_2010@yahoo.com…..I’m calling your bluff again pssy….anyhow time to watch some nba..but first go to store step my brew game up
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now i’m mr? ur so weak it’s embarrassing. i have spit on sullivan so many times, it makes what i’m doing to u seem kind.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Hey Doc your list has Boller 10 spots ahead of Plunkett.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Name the game killing ints dalton has compared to palmer…..what year is dalton in? Oh yeah his 2nd!.Palmer been in nfl since 03…..excuse train…the ticket to a better night sleep….RobertaMR…how’s sac treatin ya?
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who’s making excuses? u are. for dalton’s stats being nearly identical to palmer’s. it’s the facts and idiots don’t them no facts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Hey Doc your list has Boller 10 spots ahead of Plunkett.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
ROFLMAO
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
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that’s a lie when it comes to me. i think the zbs is to the run game what the wco is to the pass game (revolutionized it). but i said all along i didn’t like knapp’s playcalling or lack of inventiveness.
try again.
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I certainly wasn’t thrilled with the Knapp signing but I think he did a better job than say you would have Realtruraider. And that was what we were left with: either Knapp or you calling offensive plays. As for the ZBS, most of the teams in the playoffs this year run it. What does that tell you?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
If you were a previous knapp nutt hugger, please get on board the list so we know you are no longer a knapp nutt hugger. It’s important for your credibility.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Pryor adds a dimension that palmer cant achieve.I hope he gets to compete for the starting position when camp opens.
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yes, and that dimension is horrible accuracy and rainbow ducks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:19 pm
U ppl who think BOWE or another Big FA is coming here need to get a reality check
“McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson
when he was director of operations in Green Bay.”
The biggest salary belongs to quarterback Carson Palmer ($13 million) but a contract renegotiation last season makes moving him almost impossible with a cap hit of some $17 million. He’s likely the quarterback for at least two more seasons, with Terrelle Pryor essentially securing the backup job with his performance against San Diego.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22299235/oakland-raiders-more-changes-ahead-just-not-big
Palmer being back is perfect for Pryor. Who knows maybe Pryor out peforms Palmer in camp .. I know Allen said Pryor will be in RZ packages next year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Daunte curl pepper is better than CO according to that dumb list?!
Still LOL
What a tool.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Hey Doc your list has Boller 10 spots ahead of Plunkett.
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That list is a counterfeit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
@Chris in NY
What did you think of Pryor?
Really surprised me…but I think you are correct that the smart thing is to hold onto Palmer for one more year. Hoefully at a reduced (very reduced rate).
Seems like Palmer and Pryor have a nice relationship and he wants to mentor TP.
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Rarely do you have a situation like the one The Oakland Raiders enjoy here. There is usually acrimony and counterproductive competition. This is the best scenario imaginable. You have a outstanding prospect being mentored by a savvy vet who has his best interest at heart. Pryor can trust and lean on Palmer for info he cannot get otherwise. Palmer has seen it all he is a pros pro. It’s as if Gannon were here but in a uni he can demonstrate how it should be done and how to break down film and study and opponent. These are things a player cannot get from a coach he can only get it from a player. breaking down film(film study) is the meat and potatoes of the business. It is more than gameplanning it is studying not only tendencies but matchups weaknesses and how to process information. He is learning how to play the position, from not someone who played 10 years ago. But plays NOW a coach cannot do that, learning how to study and opponent is 50-70% of the battle the rest is execution.
Most unsuccessful young QB’s are so because they just don’t know how to study film. How much do you do and how to sum up what a defense can and will do under certain situations.
This is soo advanced in terms of development it cannot be overestimated. Do you think for one second ASmith did that for kappy? Hell NO!
What Palmer is doing for Pryor is basically showing him how to take his job. That is unheard of but that is who Palmer is he is secure in his position in life and is willing to do the unthinkable. Pryor is very smart to be a absolute sponge and not let a second of this sort of training go by unappreciated.
It will accelerate his development twice as fast. And he should be grateful…..period
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weird, seeing as how u spent the whole season telling us how bad palmer was. well, i guess liars lie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Dr. Robert,
ur missing the entire point. like palmer or not, to say we should go with a guy who throws 46% and a 70.8 rating is football suicide. if u don’t like palmer, clamor for a new draft pick or something. but don’t get behind a kid who, as good as he is in other areas, simply will never be an nfl passer. it’s a giant waste of ur time and his. he should be a wr. he could kill at that.
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If you think I want TP to start, then you missed the point.
I wanted him to play every snap after we were officially out. He needs gametime. That’s the best coaching he’ll ever get. I want him to have the chance to develop into a solid back-up FIRST. Forget Leinart. If TP can be something, then great. If he can’t I’d like to see it with my own eyes.
Palmer is the guy right now. I can’t argue that. I just don’t like the way Pryor has been handled. Or Palmer for that matter. What the heck was he doing out there vs Carolina to begin with? When they came out and said it’s all about evaluation over the last month?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
You love stats….what’s carson palmer’s record as a starter? How about as starter in oakland…..excuse train again lol…anyhow…time to jet…RobertaMr score a woman for once in your miserable life lmao….CODE BLACK…..B@UCE OUTRO
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teams win games in football, not qb’s. it’s not tennis.
i’m not mr, moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Daunte Culpepper is better than CP, according to Dr. Nob’s list.
Still LOL
Dr. Nob = Crazy Monkey.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
ESETERIK, Boy are you wasting your time. Those two hate the kid if he played like Joe Namath and Roger Staubach combined they would say he stinks.
There is no logic to their arguments whatsoever. Even the most ardent naysayers have had to eat crow based on the kids first start. I’m talking about prof pundits Pryor at the very least surprised them all.
Anyone dumb enough to say this kid can’t throw is either stupid ,ignorant or lying and maybe they’re all 3. People don’t waste your time arguing with these haters. The organization has spoken Pryor is high Pryor-ity as I said he should be months ago…………period
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Thx for posting your dumb list Dr. Nob.
Still LOL.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
So you think Pennington, Culpepper and Garcia are 13, 14 and 15? LMAO
You go girl.
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u either never watched them play or don’t know their histories. those were good, sometimes terrific qb’s. some fantastic seasons. look it up. stats don’t lie. liars do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
I certainly wasn’t thrilled with the Knapp signing but I think he did a better job than say you would have Realtruraider. And that was what we were left with: either Knapp or you calling offensive plays. As for the ZBS, most of the teams in the playoffs this year run it. What does that tell you?
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Fk EVEN you could of done a better job than Knapp lol, our roster wasn’t fit for the ZBS including our star RB that flourished under Hue and the PBS, Who gives a fk about other teams?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
I know Allen said Pryor will be in RZ packages next year.
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That was one thing Pryor did well: the red zone offense. And there were reasons for that: if the initial play broke down, Pryor could keep it alive until something came open, and Pryor did a remarkable job of hitting stationary guys when plays broke down. Making things happen with his legs was another dimension where Pryor excelled. It’s just the other 80 yards of gridiron where Pryor had problems.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Who gives a fk about other teams?
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It’s a copy cat league…..
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
…the raiders have a chance to do both the prudent business move with a youth moment , but also take part in the cutting edge of offensive football with a hybrid option offense with pryor and dmac and the rest!!!
If you take the emotion out, truly this plan would be best for this team now and moving forward.
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Probably the smartest thing I’ve seen you post—-and seemingly, the most unbiased. Agreed.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
LMAO at the racist troll monkey aka Dr. Nob.
He thinks CP 19th is better than J Elway 59th. According to his dumb list, M Vick 50th is better than Elway 59th.
Still LOL at this moron.
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first of all, yes we get it. u think ur doing something by calling me racist. ur just making a fool of urself.
2nd, it’s not my list. it’s the nfl’s passer list. did u ever watch elway play? do u know ho bad he was for a long time?
look up their career stats. some of the “legends” weren’t so good for long periods of time.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Louisville’s covering this MF’er. Book it.
Possibly might even win outright. We’ll see.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I wonder how Palmer is gonna hold up next year after the injury who faced this year? Ya he will heal.. but hopefully he doesnt hold on to the ball to long again…
We all know he doesnt move for a first down.
Pryor hardly had problems the other 80 yard of the gridiorn.
Was I not mistaken but he moved the team down the field of at least 75 yards .. 8 minute drive.. Zero delay of games, Zero timeouts used. 1st scoring touchdown in 3 weeks.
Also dropped a 38 yard pass right on the money in the breadbasket to Streater. So stop with ur trolling. U sound foolish. Then again u always do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Apparently Stats do lie.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Stats do lie. DA is much much better than 4-12. How’s that for a stat that lies. Bwa hahahaha
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
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that’s a lie when it comes to me. i think the zbs is to the run game what the wco is to the pass game (revolutionized it). but i said all along i didn’t like knapp’s playcalling or lack of inventiveness.
try again
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Well the other question was who blames the players all the time and give Knapp and the ZBS a pass or some schit like that, I know you always do this (except for Palmers failure) so I figured you were a knapp nutthugger like the others listed
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i blame players for their play. they’re big boys and professionals. if they suck, it’s on them. palmer didn’t fail. #16 qb this year. middle of the road.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
first of all, yes we get it. u think ur doing something by calling me racist. ur just making a fool of urself.
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Why were you banned before Dr. Nob?
Because you posted racist crap which means you are a racist.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Pryor didnt have trouble with 80 yards on that drive now did he? Oh thats right u are trollin again
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
758.Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
I know Allen said Pryor will be in RZ packages next year.
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That was one thing Pryor did well: the red zone offense. And there were reasons for that: if the initial play broke down, Pryor could keep it alive until something came open, and Pryor did a remarkable job of hitting stationary guys when plays broke down. Making things happen with his legs was another dimension where Pryor excelled. It’s just the other 80 yards of gridiron where Pryor had problems.
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You have to admit the receivers dropped some very catachable passes thrown by Pryor…way too many.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Ali Bumaye!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Still LOL at that dumb list.
CP, rivers, and Vick are better than Elway?!?!
You are a crazy monkey.
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not my list, stupid. blame the nfl, not me. it’s just facts. u don’t like facts. bet u did very poorly in school.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Louisville’s covering this MF’er. Book it.
Possibly might even win outright. We’ll see.
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That is a fast Florida defense. One of the best in the nation. But I like Louisville.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
What was your username before you were banned Dr. Nob, and why did you get banned?
LOL at you not being racist.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
You have to admit the receivers dropped some very catachable passes thrown by Pryor…way too many.
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SD defenders dropped three or four as well. Which would have been REALLY ugly if they would have caught them.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Hey Doc your list has Boller 10 spots ahead of Plunkett.
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ever watch plunkett play? check out his career stats. he was dumped by two teams for sucking very badly. then was replaced in every season he played by marc wilson. just got hot in the playoffs. lots of picks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Still LOL at that dumb list.
CP, rivers, and Vick are better than Elway?!?!
You are a crazy monkey.
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not my list, stupid. blame the nfl, not me. it’s just facts. u don’t like facts. bet u did very poorly in school.
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lol
Member of SAL and BGS, and I graduated with honors.
You?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Raider(since 1967)
REGGIE needs to put his pants on and tighten that belt !
He better get his Act together. He’s got a couple.of weeks to make the New Coaches decision- not to Hurry but I think the
Coaches will be gone at least some proven ones !
REGGIE and ALLEN + made their Mistake last year when there was almost no one left ! See, no Coach want to come to OAKLAND! So the sooner we.make appointments the better !
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 pm
SD defender dropped them off deflections of our WR tipping them up. Which would have made ur arugment REALLY BETTER
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Howdy Doody Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Stats do lie. DA is much much better than 4-12. How’s that for a stat that lies. Bwa hahahaha
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We all know we were lucky we played 2 win teams 3x this year or it could be worse.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Someone asked who was the 2 posters swingin from Knapps sack and the ZBS the most from jump? I would have to say JFB and Raider Riff, there were a few others like Seymour Bush and DR.Nob too name a few
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that’s a lie when it comes to me. i think the zbs is to the run game what the wco is to the pass game (revolutionized it). but i said all along i didn’t like knapp’s playcalling or lack of inventiveness.
try again.
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I certainly wasn’t thrilled with the Knapp signing but I think he did a better job than say you would have Realtruraider. And that was what we were left with: either Knapp or you calling offensive plays. As for the ZBS, most of the teams in the playoffs this year run it. What does that tell you?
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the zbs is all the rage in the nfl. stupid people don’t understand this.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:31 pm
That list is based on QBR. Even a moron knows that’s not the best way to judge QBs.
All you need to do is look at that list.
Vick is better than Elway?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:31 pm
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Daunte curl pepper is better than CO according to that dumb list?!
Still LOL
What a tool.
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ur proving ur total football ignorance. culpepper had some amazing years, where he was considered one of the top 2 or 3 qb’s in the league. u don’t know football dummy.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I hated the Knapp hire from jump, I posted he wasn’t creative and was goin to force his pos schemes on our players that don’t fit it, I was heated for a while bout it but then I said I will give him a chance because I had no choice.
I even made some excuses for him in preseason and argued with Kell a lil bit about it, then the 1st game came and that was when I said this just ain’t goin to work. Heck I even apologized to Kell that night for doubting the preseason results and holding out hope for this pos OC and his lame @ss scheme. It was along 17 weeks but Im glad I gave up hope after that very 1st game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Dr. Robert,
ur missing the entire point. like palmer or not, to say we should go with a guy who throws 46% and a 70.8 rating is football suicide. if u don’t like palmer, clamor for a new draft pick or something. but don’t get behind a kid who, as good as he is in other areas, simply will never be an nfl passer. it’s a giant waste of ur time and his. he should be a wr. he could kill at that.
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If you think I want TP to start, then you missed the point.
I wanted him to play every snap after we were officially out. He needs gametime. That’s the best coaching he’ll ever get. I want him to have the chance to develop into a solid back-up FIRST. Forget Leinart. If TP can be something, then great. If he can’t I’d like to see it with my own eyes.
Palmer is the guy right now. I can’t argue that. I just don’t like the way Pryor has been handled. Or Palmer for that matter. What the heck was he doing out there vs Carolina to begin with? When they came out and said it’s all about evaluation over the last month?
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ok, i do get ur point. u think pryor needs work. i think no matter how much work he gets, it’s pointless. we will see how it shakes out.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I had fun. Later nation. You too racist troll monkey who thinks Culpepper, CP, and Vick are better than HOF SB winner QB J Elway.
That should tell you all you need to know about Dr. Nob.
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January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Nice. Gators gonna suck it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:34 pm
ok, i do get ur point. u think pryor needs work. i think no matter how much work he gets, it’s pointless. we will see how it shakes out.
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Good thing u dont matter
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
ESETERIK, Boy are you wasting your time. Those two hate the kid if he played like Joe Namath and Roger Staubach combined they would say he stinks.
There is no logic to their arguments whatsoever. Even the most ardent naysayers have had to eat crow based on the kids first start. I’m talking about prof pundits Pryor at the very least surprised them all.
Anyone dumb enough to say this kid can’t throw is either stupid ,ignorant or lying and maybe they’re all 3. People don’t waste your time arguing with these haters. The organization has spoken Pryor is high Pryor-ity as I said he should be months ago…………period
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ur lying on all counts as usual.
i don’t hate him. he’s one of my favs cuz of all of his other assets. he just is out of position. great kid. bad qb.
no one is eating crow. 46% and 70.8 rating is EXACTLY what i expected. on the other hand u predicted 300 yards, 3 or 4 td’s plus 90 yards rushing and 2 td’s. u said u would apologize if he wasn’t exactly what u said he was. but ur too much of a coward to fulfill that.
he can’t throw, unless u think rainbow ducks ar good passes.
no one in the organization has said anything other than he merits getting looked at further. actually pretty faint praise.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:36 pm
This is reality people:
And Pryor could use a little more seasoning…
$17Mil cap hit. Can’t “just cut” CarsonBomber. And there is no need to. Make the team better and Carson will be fine. If not, maybe he’ll get pushed by TP. Win/Win…
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RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:19 pm
U ppl who think BOWE or another Big FA is coming here need to get a reality check
“McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson
when he was director of operations in Green Bay.”
The biggest salary belongs to quarterback Carson Palmer ($13 million) but a contract renegotiation last season makes moving him almost impossible with a cap hit of some $17 million. He’s likely the quarterback for at least two more seasons, with Terrelle Pryor essentially securing the backup job with his performance against San Diego.”
http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22299235/oakland-raiders-more-changes-ahead-just-not-big
Palmer being back is perfect for Pryor. Who knows maybe Pryor out peforms Palmer in camp .. I know Allen said Pryor will be in RZ packages next year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Teddy Bridgewater the next hot prospect along with Johnny Football. Who would you draft out of those two?
Both have inlimited upside Ted is a little taller Manziel a lil faster. Teddy is a pure pocket passer with good mobility, Manziel more of an athlete with excellent ability to throw the ball.
Persoanlly you couldn’t go wrong with either but in the next 2 years it will be the hottest debate amonst draftniks similar to RG3, Luck.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Nice. Gators off to a suck start. Go Cards.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Palmer= rich spoiled socal brat who never won even at pee wee levels…all everyone did was coddle him and say it wasnt his fault….25 years of playing football and never a winner
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Do u resent Palmer for being a talented kid who comes from a good family? It’s not his fault.
First off, he WAS a winner at USC. He won the Heisman in 2002 leading USC to an 11-2 record and the Pac 10 title.
At Cincy he had 2 8-8 seasons along with a 10-6 record one year and 11-5 another.
As a pro he does not have a winning record playing for a weak Cincinnati team and a struggling Oakland org, but has 2 pro bowl seasons before a devastating injury in the playoffs against Pittsburgh.
I realize he’s fallen short of some Raider fans expectations of consistent excellence, but to say he’s “never been a winner” is just false.
You guys have some weird personal issue w/ Palmer. You take it beyond football and cast aspersions about him personally that are totally unfair and w/out merit.
Palmer has always been heavily involved in charitable endeavors and by all accounts is a genuinely “good guy”.
He never shies away from accepting blame…even when it’s when it’s obvious it isn’t his fault and accepts the pressure, responibility and expectations willingly and never throws anyone ‘under the bus’.
Go ahead and question his abilities and talent, but the effort has always been there.
Say what u will about not winning enough, throwing the big int, whatever but I don’t get the personal attacks on the guy.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:23 pm
I certainly wasn’t thrilled with the Knapp signing but I think he did a better job than say you would have Realtruraider. And that was what we were left with: either Knapp or you calling offensive plays. As for the ZBS, most of the teams in the playoffs this year run it. What does that tell you?
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Fk EVEN you could of done a better job than Knapp lol, our roster wasn’t fit for the ZBS including our star RB that flourished under Hue and the PBS, Who gives a fk about other teams?
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scheme isn’t the issue. would adrian peterson have run for 3.3 yards per carry? how come reece, goodson, and for crying out loud stewart, got off in the scheme?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Just dont be suprised if Pryor comes back a new qb by training camp.. just like he suprised all of the local media hacks/ Greg papa and the nay sayers with his first start.
He might just be that much better after all the hard work he puts in. while the naysayers here will be pounding their keyboards with the cheeto stained fingers .. pryor out be grinding and workin his azz off.
Superb leadership and work ethic
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Firing Knapp RIGHT off the bat Monday has restored much of my faith in 1220 HarborBay Parkway.
Now if they hire a solid OCoord to replace him I’ll be getting fired up for the draft.
Repeat after me: QB is NOT our primary problem. Most of the REST of the team IS….
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
knapp suckers?
reggie boot lickers?
DA sharpie sniffers?
how many are left and who are they?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
What was your username before you were banned Dr. Nob, and why did you get banned?
LOL at you not being racist.
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is that all u have to say? what a waste of time u are.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Bride just dropped a beautiful dime dow the right sideline a thing of beauty. He is exceptional……..WOW!
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Victor Cotto@cottovic
Hue Jackson was Jacoby Ford’s blanket. New regime not overly impressed w/ fragile, injured target who needs to grow up. #Raiders
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Bridgewater looks a little shaken.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Nice.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Still LOL at that dumb list.
CP, rivers, and Vick are better than Elway?!?!
You are a crazy monkey.
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not my list, stupid. blame the nfl, not me. it’s just facts. u don’t like facts. bet u did very poorly in school.
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lol
Member of SAL and BGS, and I graduated with honors.
You?
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no way u even went to more than a year of junior college. ur a complete idiot who has never said one thing of intelligence here.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Amen brotha…
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Just dont be suprised if Pryor comes back a new qb by training camp.. just like he suprised all of the local media hacks/ Greg papa and the nay sayers with his first start.
He might just be that much better after all the hard work he puts in. while the naysayers here will be pounding their keyboards with the cheeto stained fingers .. pryor out be grinding and workin his azz off.
Superb leadership and work ethic
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Amen Brotha!
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:31 pm
That list is based on QBR. Even a moron knows that’s not the best way to judge QBs.
All you need to do is look at that list.
Vick is better than Elway?
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don’t be lazy. look at career stats. pay real close attention to YARDAGE, TDS, AND INTS. ok? go spend some time learning about the game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
knapp suckers?
reggie boot lickers?
DA sharpie sniffers?
how many are left and who are they?
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Get that witch hunt going. Show yourself. How ya like your lickin now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
No doubt Pryor is and has been working super hard on getting better. And the kid has knack for saying the “right things”.
Here’s my only beef, the kid is TOO talented to sit on the bench while he learns pro QB. Should be on the field….
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I had fun. Later nation. You too racist troll monkey who thinks Culpepper, CP, and Vick are better than HOF SB winner QB J Elway.
That should tell you all you need to know about Dr. Nob.
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u never watched them play. i did.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:34 pm
ok, i do get ur point. u think pryor needs work. i think no matter how much work he gets, it’s pointless. we will see how it shakes out.
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Good thing u dont matter
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neither do u. and nfl people agree with me thankfully. u would ruin a pop warner team.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm
look at it this way if youre right on DA or reggie or both it will be documented….
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Some of you people sure like to argue. Comparing Culpepper etal to Elway is like comparing 20yo apples to 30yo oranges. Who cares?!? They are both in the composter now long been turned into worm poop…
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Teddy Bridgewater the next hot prospect along with Johnny Football. Who would you draft out of those two?
Both have inlimited upside Ted is a little taller Manziel a lil faster. Teddy is a pure pocket passer with good mobility, Manziel more of an athlete with excellent ability to throw the ball.
Persoanlly you couldn’t go wrong with either but in the next 2 years it will be the hottest debate amonst draftniks similar to RG3, Luck.
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The next 2-3 years are going to be sooo QB rich. So many guys with high potential. I can’t wait to see how that all settles out.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Raider (since 1967)
So who should we get Leinart, Pryor or Palmer?
One must go ! We have to improve our Qb position.
Hey we can’t stay behind its our Future.
REGGIE should look ahead and take ( G) Georgia Qb
Or Mazziel or Landry !
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Doc, you think Palmer is the #19 QB of all time? Or are you just throwing out a meaningless stat?
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documented fact. stats don’t lie, liars do.
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Random list I came across. I got 31 on there. Tell me which 12 Palmer bumps off.
Montana
Brady
Manning
Manning
Manning
Marino
Unitas
Elway
Young
Farve
Starr
Staubach
Bradshaw
Brees
Graham
Tarkenton
Aikman
Warner
Rodgers
Baugh
Kelly
Fouts
Moon
Namath
Stabler
Griese
Tittle
Roethlisberger
Theismann
Simms
Plunkett
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don’t believe media hype or “legend”. just facts.
Rank Quarterback Rating
1 Aaron Rodgers 104.9
2 Steve Young 96.8
3 Tom Brady 96.6
4 Peyton Manning 95.7
5 Tony Romo 95.6
6 Philip Rivers 94.5
7 Drew Brees 94.3
8 Kurt Warner 93.7
9 Ben Roethlisberger 92.7
10 Joe Montana 92.3
11 Matt Schaub 91.9
12 Matt Ryan 90.9
13 Chad Pennington 90.1
14 Daunte Culpepper 87.8
15 Jeff Garcia 87.5
16 Otto Graham 86.6
17 Dan Marino 86.4
18 Joe Flacco 86.3
19 Carson Palmer 86.2
20 Brett Favre 86.0
Trent Green 86.0
22 David Garrard 85.8
23 Donovan McNabb 85.6
24 Rich Gannon 84.7
25 Marc Bulger 84.4
Jim Kelly 84.4
27 Mark Brunell 84.0
28 Jay Cutler 83.9
29 Roger Staubach 83.4
30 Steve McNair 82.8
31 Brian Griese 82.7
Neil Lomax 82.7
33 Len Dawson 82.6
Sonny Jurgensen 82.6
Matthew Stafford 82.6
36 Jason Campbell 82.5
Brad Johnson 82.5
38 Eli Manning 82.3
39 Matt Hasselbeck 82.2
40 Ken Anderson 81.9
Rank Quarterback Rating
41 Bernie Kosar 81.8
Neil O’Donnell 81.8
43 Danny White 81.7
44 Troy Aikman 81.6
45 Randall Cunningham 81.5
Dave Krieg 81.5
47 Jake Delhomme 81.3
48 Boomer Esiason 81.1
49 Warren Moon 80.9
50 Michael Vick 80.7
51 Jeff Hostetler 80.5
Bart Starr 80.5
53 Matt Cassel 80.4
Jeff George 80.4
Ken O’Brien 80.4
Fran Tarkenton 80.4
57 Steve Beuerlein 80.3
58 Dan Fouts 80.2
59 John Elway 79.9
Josh Freeman 79.9
61 Tony Eason 79.7
Kyle Orton 79.7
63 Elvis Grbac 79.6
64 Chris Chandler 79.1
Alex Smith 79.1
66 Byron Leftwich 78.9
Mark Rypien 78.9
68 Jim Everett 78.6
69 Aaron Brooks 78.5
Phil Simms 78.5
71 Bert Jones 78.2
Jim McMahon 78.2
Johnny Unitas 78.2
74 Jeff Blake 78.0
Bobby Hebert 78.0
76 Jim Harbaugh 77.6
Frank Ryan 77.6
78 Jon Kitna 77.4
Joe Theismann 77.4
80 Charlie Batch 77.2
Rank Quarterback Rating
81 Drew Bledsoe 77.1
Jay Fiedler 77.1
Bob Griese 77.1
84 Bill Kenney 77.0
85 Ryan Fitzpatrick 76.7
86 Gary Danielson 76.6
Erik Kramer 76.6
88 Doug Flutie 76.3
89 Stan Humphries 75.8
90 Wade Wilson 75.6
91 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
92 Steve Bono 75.3
Scott Mitchell 75.3
Ken Stabler 75.3
95 Tim Couch 75.1
Norm Van Brocklin 75.1
97 Sid Luckman 75.0
Vinny Testaverde 75.0
99 David Carr 74.9
Chris Miller 74.9
101 Don Meredith 74.8
Brian Sipe 74.8
103 Jake Plummer 74.6
104 Roman Gabriel 74.3
Y. A. Tittle 74.3
106 Steve DeBerg 74.2
Gus Frerotte 74.2
108 Earl Morrall 74.1
109 Kerry Collins 73.8
110 Frankie Albert 73.5
Craig Morton 73.5
112 Rodney Peete 73.3
113 Daryle Lamonica 72.9
Greg Landry 72.9
Don Majkowski 72.9
116 Ron Jaworski 72.8
Tommy Kramer 72.8
118 Tony Banks 72.4
119 Bubby Brister 72.3
John Brodie 72.3
Rank Quarterback Rating
121 Sammy Baugh 72.2
Milt Plum 72.2
Bill Wade 72.2
124 Mark Sanchez 72.0
125 Jay Schroeder 71.7
126 Billy Kilmer 71.6
127 Bill Munson 71.5
128 Rex Grossman 71.4
129 Terry Bradshaw 70.9
Lynn Dickey 70.9
131 Kordell Stewart 70.7
132 Trent Dilfer 70.2
Bill Nelsen 70.2
134 Vince Ferragamo 70.1
135 Steve Grogan 69.6
136 Kyle Boller 69.5
137 Joey Harrington 69.4
Doug Williams 69.4
139 Charley Johnson 69.2
140 Mike Tomczak 68.9
141 Eric Hipple 68.7
142 Joe Ferguson 68.4
143 Charlie Conerly 68.2
144 Dave M. Brown 67.9
145 Marc Wilson 67.7
Billy Joe Tolliver 67.7
147 Tom Flores 67.6
Richard Todd 67.6
149 Jim Plunkett 67.5
150 John Hadl 67.4
151 Jim Zorn 67.3
152 Archie Manning 67.1
Jim Hart 66.6
154 Joe Namath 65.5
Norm Snead 65.5
156 Rick Mirer 63.5
157 Bobby Layne 63.4
158 Jack Trudeau 63.3
Mike Pagel 63.3
Mike Livingston 63.3
Rank Quarterback Rating
161 Ed Brown 62.8
162 Mark Malone 61.9
163 Bob Waterfield 61.6
164 Eddie LeBaron 61.4
165 George Blanda 60.6
166 Babe Parilli 59.6
167 Dan Pastorini 59.1
168 Jack Kemp 57.3
169 Tobin Rote 56.8
170 Cotton Davidson 54.9
171 Mike Phipps 52.6
172 Frank Tripucka 52.2
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Tainted.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Palmer= rich spoiled socal brat who never won even at pee wee levels…all everyone did was coddle him and say it wasnt his fault….25 years of playing football and never a winner
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Do u resent Palmer for being a talented kid who comes from a good family? It’s not his fault.
First off, he WAS a winner at USC. He won the Heisman in 2002 leading USC to an 11-2 record and the Pac 10 title.
At Cincy he had 2 8-8 seasons along with a 10-6 record one year and 11-5 another.
As a pro he does not have a winning record playing for a weak Cincinnati team and a struggling Oakland org, but has 2 pro bowl seasons before a devastating injury in the playoffs against Pittsburgh.
I realize he’s fallen short of some Raider fans expectations of consistent excellence, but to say he’s “never been a winner” is just false.
You guys have some weird personal issue w/ Palmer. You take it beyond football and cast aspersions about him personally that are totally unfair and w/out merit.
Palmer has always been heavily involved in charitable endeavors and by all accounts is a genuinely “good guy”.
He never shies away from accepting blame…even when it’s when it’s obvious it isn’t his fault and accepts the pressure, responibility and expectations willingly and never throws anyone ‘under the bus’.
Go ahead and question his abilities and talent, but the effort has always been there.
Say what u will about not winning enough, throwing the big int, whatever but I don’t get the personal attacks on the guy.
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that moron said gannon’s mvp season was a fraud cuz he never challenged downfield.
so it’s more important to throw bombs than to be great.
total and complete moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Hey Preist, does Al Saunders have any shot at the OC job or just getting shined on?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Just dont be suprised if Pryor comes back a new qb by training camp.. just like he suprised all of the local media hacks/ Greg papa and the nay sayers with his first start.
He might just be that much better after all the hard work he puts in. while the naysayers here will be pounding their keyboards with the cheeto stained fingers .. pryor out be grinding and workin his azz off.
Superb leadership and work ethic
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if he does, i’ll love him for it. cuz it will be a miracle. i hope he does it. but he won’t.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:46 pm
look at it this way if youre right on DA or reggie or both it will be documented….
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Can ‘em both.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Gators playin a little dirty.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm
scheme isn’t the issue. would adrian peterson have run for 3.3 yards per carry? how come reece, goodson, and for crying out loud stewart, got off in the scheme?
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YES IT IS THE ISSUE with DMC, he is a different back then those mentioned. Its not fkin rocket science man, under Knapps krapp scheme he put up similar bad numbers and looked like he went down easy (tripped by grass, skinny legs..etc..etc.jokes) But once Hue came and ASKED DMC what he liked to run we put in more power in 2010 and DMC looked like a new RB runiing over fools and averaging What? 5.5 yards a carry?
In 2011 Hue put in almost all Power and DMC was running wild, he was considered an early fav for MVP (its true, look it up) he was trunkin fools like the year before..so…how do you explain this Doc?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
knapp suckers?
reggie boot lickers?
DA sharpie sniffers?
how many are left and who are they?
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i never cared for knapp.
i supported allen when he was hired, and i still do.
reggie knows what he’s doing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
I hated the Knapp hire from jump, I posted he wasn’t creative and was goin to force his pos schemes on our players that don’t fit it, I was heated for a while bout it but then I said I will give him a chance because I had no choice.
I even made some excuses for him in preseason and argued with Kell a lil bit about it, then the 1st game came and that was when I said this just ain’t goin to work. Heck I even apologized to Kell that night for doubting the preseason results and holding out hope for this pos OC and his lame @ss scheme. It was along 17 weeks but Im glad I gave up hope after that very 1st game.
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My feelings exactly. I didn’t like the hire but I bit my tongue and let things play out. But the offensive results were dismal. I have said this on the blog since week 2, the one guy I hold most responsible even more than Knapp is McFadden. This last game he FINALLY ran hard. And still didn’t get very good results. Goodson came in for one play and got 9 yards. And then got ejected. With a decent running attack, not even a great running attack, just a decent one, Palmer and even Pryor would have been much more effective.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Jon Bostic is a good mid round MLB prospect.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Nice. Take it to them.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Roberta…you riff and mcdummy20 should start a men’s group for excuse makers
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again, no excuse necessary. palmer is really good. stats tell the story if ur eyes can’t tell u.
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Take your choice to explain it:
“There is a road from the eye to heart that does not go through the intellect.” — G. K. Chesterton
“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.” — Henri Bergson
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Teddy Bridgewater the next hot prospect along with Johnny Football. Who would you draft out of those two?
Both have inlimited upside Ted is a little taller Manziel a lil faster. Teddy is a pure pocket passer with good mobility, Manziel more of an athlete with excellent ability to throw the ball.
Persoanlly you couldn’t go wrong with either but in the next 2 years it will be the hottest debate amonst draftniks similar to RG3, Luck.
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The next 2-3 years are going to be sooo QB rich. So many guys with high potential. I can’t wait to see how that all settles out.
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maybe we’ll get one, so we put pryor at wr, where he belongs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Knapp boot kickers come forward. Accept your crow. We know who you are.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:54 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Hey Preist, does Al Saunders have any shot at the OC job or just getting shined on?
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well priest tried to call him, but he’s not taking his calls. oh wait that’s greg papa. all-time classic.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
No doubt Pryor is and has been working super hard on getting better. And the kid has knack for saying the “right things”.
Here’s my only beef, the kid is TOO talented to sit on the bench while he learns pro QB. Should be on the field….
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I don’t know if many remember my saying this would happen before and after we picked him. I was villified by many in here but I told you guys you would fall in love with this kid after you see him in our colors.
He is ultra-competive, great leader and a lot better player than anyone wanted to admit. Now everyday his supporters are growing by leaps and bounds. Yet you haven’t seen anything yet Pryor’s game is sooo much better than what we saw. He was tryinr to be too perfect instead of letting his natural ability take over. He needs to catch up to the speed of the pro-game yet but when he does. The Raiders may have one of the most dangerous talents at that position.
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Take your choice to explain it:
“There is a road from the eye to heart that does not go through the intellect.” — G. K. Chesterton
“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.” — Henri Bergson
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How about these:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli
Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination. Vin Scully
Or my favorite:
You cannot feed the hungry on statistics. Heinrich Heine
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:50 pm
scheme isn’t the issue. would adrian peterson have run for 3.3 yards per carry? how come reece, goodson, and for crying out loud stewart, got off in the scheme?
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YES IT IS THE ISSUE with DMC, he is a different back then those mentioned. Its not fkin rocket science man, under Knapps krapp scheme he put up similar bad numbers and looked like he went down easy (tripped by grass, skinny legs..etc..etc.jokes) But once Hue came and ASKED DMC what he liked to run we put in more power in 2010 and DMC looked like a new RB runiing over fools and averaging What? 5.5 yards a carry?
In 2011 Hue put in almost all Power and DMC was running wild, he was considered an early fav for MVP (its true, look it up) he was trunkin fools like the year before..so…how do you explain this Doc?
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easy. injuries. early in the year, when he had a breakaway run, he looked like he was running in mud. i said then “he looks like he’s lost it”. he is a fragile guy. brittle. these injuries have sapped him of his explosion. great, or even good backs run thru holes made by blockers. it’s not that complicated. scheme is only a method of making those holes. every other back we used excelled. watch and see. dmc will suck next season. btw, he ran really well behind cables zbs, didn’t he?
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Pryor and Palmer will get better now with a new OC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Roberta…you riff and mcdummy20 should start a men’s group for excuse makers
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again, no excuse necessary. palmer is really good. stats tell the story if ur eyes can’t tell u.
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Take your choice to explain it:
“There is a road from the eye to heart that does not go through the intellect.” — G. K. Chesterton
“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.” — Henri Bergson
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LOL. good ones. it’s the first one. their little hearts pound for pryor.
but missdick would think it’s the 2nd one for us. he thinks we’re unable to see what he sees. he can’t grasp that we all see that griffin, newton, and wilson are good. it’s pryor who isn’t.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
No doubt Pryor is and has been working super hard on getting better. And the kid has knack for saying the “right things”.
Here’s my only beef, the kid is TOO talented to sit on the bench while he learns pro QB. Should be on the field….
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I don’t know if many remember my saying this would happen before and after we picked him. I was villified by many in here but I told you guys you would fall in love with this kid after you see him in our colors.
He is ultra-competive, great leader and a lot better player than anyone wanted to admit. Now everyday his supporters are growing by leaps and bounds. Yet you haven’t seen anything yet Pryor’s game is sooo much better than what we saw. He was tryinr to be too perfect instead of letting his natural ability take over. He needs to catch up to the speed of the pro-game yet but when he does. The Raiders may have one of the most dangerous talents at that position.
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when’s he gonna stop throwing those rainbow ducks or completing more than 50% of his passes? cuz he’s been doing that for a while.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
This Bridgewater kid is looking pretty good…A passing QB who can run…imagine that…even when it seems Louiville is getting some bogus a$$ calls….
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Hey Preist, does Al Saunders have any shot at the OC job or just getting shined on?
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I think he is the odds on favorite, they will wait to see if they get someone else who is more in tune with these new offenses. But initially I think he is the guy. Two things come to mind. he knows the players better than anyone we can bring in. He knows how to utilize the talent best right away. He also has a grasp of what they’re doing with the pistol and zone reads better than most think he does. Saunders is an exceptional offensive mind with a wealth of knowledge going back 40 years he had some of the most explosive offenses in history.
So yeah! it is a distinct possibility.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Take your choice to explain it:
“There is a road from the eye to heart that does not go through the intellect.” — G. K. Chesterton
“The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.” — Henri Bergson
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How about these:
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. Benjamin Disraeli
Statistics are used much like a drunk uses a lamppost: for support, not illumination. Vin Scully
Or my favorite:
You cannot feed the hungry on statistics. Heinrich Heine
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how about this one:
“u sure love u some rainbow ducks!”–dr. robert
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
This Bridgewater kid is looking pretty good…A passing QB who can run…imagine that…even when it seems Louiville is getting some bogus a$$ calls….
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wish we had one.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
No doubt Pryor is and has been working super hard on getting better. And the kid has knack for saying the “right things”.
Here’s my only beef, the kid is TOO talented to sit on the bench while he learns pro QB. Should be on the field….
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I don’t know if many remember my saying this would happen before and after we picked him. I was villified by many in here but I told you guys you would fall in love with this kid after you see him in our colors.
He is ultra-competive, great leader and a lot better player than anyone wanted to admit. Now everyday his supporters are growing by leaps and bounds. Yet you haven’t seen anything yet Pryor’s game is sooo much better than what we saw. He was tryinr to be too perfect instead of letting his natural ability take over. He needs to catch up to the speed of the pro-game yet but when he does. The Raiders may have one of the most dangerous talents at that position.
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There are a lot of things to like about Pryor. His ultra competitive nature is certainly one thing to like. Trying to be too perfect? Maybe. That is an Interesting observation. I thought he played a very heady game out there which to me was impressive. I am just not seeing the accuracy. And when you compare this player to guys like Wilson or GriffinIII, those guys are amazingly accurate. They were in college, they are here. Pryor wasn’t then and wasn’t Sunday.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Free Agent Targets:
WR- Jordan Shipley
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DT- Justin Bannan
OLB- Manny Lawson
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
RT- Chad Clifton
Draft Option 1:
1- Manti Te’o [ILB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Michael Buchanon [DE/OLB]
6- Tanner Hawkins [RT]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
Draft Option 2:
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Tanner Hawkins [RT]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Jesse Williams [NT]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB]
3- Kyle Long [RT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Brandon McGee [CB]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:03 pm
He also has a grasp of what they’re doing with the pistol and zone reads better than most think he does.
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say what? pistol? when? where?
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Norv Turner learned most of what he knows from Al Saunders. Saunders has always loved coaching the Oakland Raiders he used to beg Mr Davis for this job.
His loyalty to this org. is steadfast. he knows Pryor better than anyone we could get. Norv is a quinessential QB coach Al is a quinessential gameplanning mind. They are on par in terms of playcalling it’s just that Saunders is exceptional at gameplanning.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Too bad you aren’t a real Dr., then you’d be able to write yourself a script for some prozac. I’m out.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm
pryor’s a great kid. i almost feel sorry for him. he wants it. he works hard. he’s an amazing athlete out there. but he was really lucky not to be humiliated by 5 or 6 ints. really awful passes. put it this way. if he didn’t run so well (or was white), no one in the world would think he was worth playing at all.
he’s wasting his energies on the wrong position. he could be amazing with the ball in his hands. it’s when he tries to give it to someone else that he sucks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Too bad you aren’t a real Dr., then you’d be able to write yourself a script for some prozac. I’m out.
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u won’t take the medicine so ur insanity continues. there are lots of nuts in nuthouses who think the doctor is the crazy one.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:56 pm
JLofty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 5:44 pm
No doubt Pryor is and has been working super hard on getting better. And the kid has knack for saying the “right things”.
Here’s my only beef, the kid is TOO talented to sit on the bench while he learns pro QB. Should be on the field….
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I don’t know if many remember my saying this would happen before and after we picked him. I was villified by many in here but I told you guys you would fall in love with this kid after you see him in our colors.
He is ultra-competive, great leader and a lot better player than anyone wanted to admit. Now everyday his supporters are growing by leaps and bounds. Yet you haven’t seen anything yet Pryor’s game is sooo much better than what we saw. He was tryinr to be too perfect instead of letting his natural ability take over. He needs to catch up to the speed of the pro-game yet but when he does. The Raiders may have one of the most dangerous talents at that position.
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There are a lot of things to like about Pryor. His ultra competitive nature is certainly one thing to like. Trying to be too perfect? Maybe. That is an Interesting observation. I thought he played a very heady game out there which to me was impressive. I am just not seeing the accuracy. And when you compare this player to guys like Wilson or GriffinIII, those guys are amazingly accurate. They were in college, they are here. Pryor wasn’t then and wasn’t Sunday.
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Once he gets some REAL first string reps and gets the timing down with the WR’s i think he will be ok.
Passing Efficiency Rating: 2010 Big Ten 157.9 (3rd)
Passing Touchdowns: 2010 Big Ten 27 (1st)
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Rg3 and newton were anointed #1 before training camps in their rookie yr….even r.wilson was allowed to show what he can do with the coaches open eye…Pryor was always known to be their number 3 from the get go…how much attn was he really given….not much I don’t think…we can blame DA for that…nevertheless, if he was given a fair shot we would have seen plenty more of the kid, he brings an element that Palmer nor leinart bring….and I rather go on that than the what we seen from our other qbs
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Evening, Nation!
I just dropped in to see what condition the blog’s condition was in. I see stopped by at the perfect time. I have my drink and snacks. Let ‘er rip!
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:18 pm
OC- Aaron Kromer
OL- Tony Sparano
ST- Bobby April
LB- Adam Zimmer
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:22 pm
ok dr rob is on the da and reggie train….
dav?
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:25 pm
OC- Aaron Kromer
OL- Bill Callahan
ST- Bobby April
LB- Adam Zimmer
Free Agent Targets:
WR- Jordan Shipley
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DT- Justin Bannan
OLB- Manny Lawson
ILB- Jasper Brinkley
RT- Chad Clifton
Draft Option 1:
1- Manti Te’o [ILB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Michael Buchanon [DE/OLB]
6- Tanner Hawkins [RT]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
Draft Option 2:
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Tanner Hawkins [RT]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Jesse Williams [NT]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB]
3- Kyle Long [RT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Brandon McGee [CB]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:22 pm
ok dr rob is on the da and reggie train….
dav?
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Reggie has my support.
Not even sure a knee jerk reaction should bring any heat on him at this point.
3 years. Grade after 3 years.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Tell Reggie I need an address to bill him for the off-season layout.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
neither do u. and nfl people agree with me thankfully. u would ruin a pop warner team.
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Keep trolling dude. Greg Papa said ppl in the orgnization told him sunday Pryor raised alot of eyebrows in a good way and are exciting about his progress and what he can do for this team.
one of the reasons why Knapp is was fired. Trollin on 22’s is what u do best. U dont matter. Real football ppl do.
Rod Woodson, Napolean Kaufman, Steve Tasker said he was suprised about his accuracy in the first half. 2 1/2 years 1st start after getting 3rd team reps all year.
3tds dont lie. U mad? i think u are u big dummy
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:30 pm
DA needs to catch his breath and get in a rhythm this season.
He’ll be fine. If not Reggie will act accordingly.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Well this rare afternoon visit is over.
See you when I get to work.
God Bless.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
neither do u. and nfl people agree with me thankfully. u would ruin a pop warner team.
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Keep trolling dude. Greg Papa said ppl in the orgnization told him sunday Pryor raised alot of eyebrows in a good way and are exciting about his progress and what he can do for this team.
one of the reasons why Knapp is was fired. Trollin on 22’s is what u do best. U dont matter. Real football ppl do.
Rod Woodson, Napolean Kaufman, Steve Tasker said he was suprised about his accuracy in the first half. 2 1/2 years 1st start after getting 3rd team reps all year.
3tds dont lie. U mad? i think u are u big dummy
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right right. whenever someone disagrees, they’re a troll or a crossposter. whatever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
canadianraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Rg3 and newton were anointed #1 before training camps in their rookie yr….even r.wilson was allowed to show what he can do with the coaches open eye…Pryor was always known to be their number 3 from the get go…how much attn was he really given….not much I don’t think…we can blame DA for that…nevertheless, if he was given a fair shot we would have seen plenty more of the kid, he brings an element that Palmer nor leinart bring….and I rather go on that than the what we seen from our other qbs
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In the National Football League a QB has to be able to stand there and deliver right out of the gate. Palmer could certainly do that. The knock on Pryor was he can’t. From what we saw on Sunday, he can’t. Again nothing against him, but you can’t hold 53 guys, 7 taxi squad guys, a dozen professional coaches, all the assistants, and trainers and front office people hostage hoping this one guy somehow finally figures it out. That’s just not the way it works in the modern NFL.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
pryor’s a great kid. i almost feel sorry for him. he wants it. he works hard. he’s an amazing athlete out there. but he was really lucky not to be humiliated by 5 or 6 ints. really awful passes. put it this way. if he didn’t run so well (or was white), no one in the world would think he was worth playing at all.
he’s wasting his energies on the wrong position. he could be amazing with the ball in his hands. it’s when he tries to give it to someone else that he sucks.
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Dont feel sorry for him. He doesnt need ur pitty. Could have went anywhere in the country out of highschool for football/ basketball.
Went to ohio state was 34-4 record won a rose bowl named MVP.. suspended , learned humility and humbleness taken in the supplemental draft. suspended first 5 weeks.
Coach fired, Owner that takes him passes away. New staff, New OC has to relearn offsense. Number 3 qb the whole year cuz nobody is creative of enough to use him. Keeps working hard .. Keeps his mouth shut.. up into last week where he is still splitting reps with Leinart. Named starter.
MEdia hacks/ Coaching staff / Greg Papa doeesnt think he will show anything. Whats he do?
Leads team to their first scoring drive in 3 weeks, 1st rushing td since week 7.. Ingnites a fan base with hope.
Shows leadership, Poise, Charisma like Papa says. Media hacks change their view on the kid. Haters are mad he actually played well. DA changes his view on the kid in 4 days. He is just gonna keep grinding and working hard.
Good thing he doesnt have ur work ethic or determination u big dummy
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Larry grant (mlb) 2013!
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm
right right. whenever someone disagrees, they’re a troll or a crossposter. whatever
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awww u mad?? keep trolling dude. U been doing it all year. Where is ur boy KNAPP at now??
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Larry grant (mlb) 2013!
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I was hoping Grant might take a look on this side of the bay last year. But for whatever reason those guys on that side didn’t even return a phone call. They all reupped. I guess they thought this was their year. If they fail again, maybe some of them will look elsewhere. You know Alex Smith is going to.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
canadianraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Rg3 and newton were anointed #1 before training camps in their rookie yr….even r.wilson was allowed to show what he can do with the coaches open eye…Pryor was always known to be their number 3 from the get go…how much attn was he really given….not much I don’t think…we can blame DA for that…nevertheless, if he was given a fair shot we would have seen plenty more of the kid, he brings an element that Palmer nor leinart bring….and I rather go on that than the what we seen from our other qbs
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In the National Football League a QB has to be able to stand there and deliver right out of the gate. Palmer could certainly do that. The knock on Pryor was he can’t. From what we saw on Sunday, he can’t. Again nothing against him, but you can’t hold 53 guys, 7 taxi squad guys, a dozen professional coaches, all the assistants, and trainers and front office people hostage hoping this one guy somehow finally figures it out. That’s just not the way it works in the modern NFL.
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Well, you actually can hold all the rest back waiting for one guy. It’s what Tennessee did with Vince Young. How’d that turn out for them?
On the bright side Raider nation, Tennessee wasted a high first round pick on their pipe dream. Oakland’s mistake was only a 3rd that also has potential at other positions.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Actually, here’s a great new subject for the TP supporters. Please entertain us and explain, in specifics, how he’s actually a better potential NFL QB than Vince Young was his first 2 to 3 seasons.
I’ll give you the first one for free:
- He’s a little bit faster
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Yea, I think the harbaugh high is wearing off I dont think theyre going to the bowl and Grant pretty much already hinted at wanting a starting gig and becoming a fa… Hes from sac too so he loves the bay, if the raiders offer im sure we could get him its just up to reggie going out and making a play for him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Actually, here’s a great new subject for the TP supporters. Please entertain us and explain, in specifics, how he’s actually a better potential NFL QB than Vince Young was his first 2 to 3 seasons.
I’ll give you the first one for free:
- He’s a little bit faster
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Huh. Interesting point. Vince came into the league and didn’t play well his first two starts. And lost. With similar numbers to Pryor. That can’t be good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm
LOL at Dr. Nob’s “epic” meltdown.
The zookeeper aka his mom should take the keyboard away from this monkey.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Nice. Go Cards.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
canadianraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Rg3 and newton were anointed #1 before training camps in their rookie yr….even r.wilson was allowed to show what he can do with the coaches open eye…Pryor was always known to be their number 3 from the get go…how much attn was he really given….not much I don’t think…we can blame DA for that…nevertheless, if he was given a fair shot we would have seen plenty more of the kid, he brings an element that Palmer nor leinart bring….and I rather go on that than the what we seen from our other qbs
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In the National Football League a QB has to be able to stand there and deliver right out of the gate. Palmer could certainly do that. The knock on Pryor was he can’t. From what we saw on Sunday, he can’t. Again nothing against him, but you can’t hold 53 guys, 7 taxi squad guys, a dozen professional coaches, all the assistants, and trainers and front office people hostage hoping this one guy somehow finally figures it out. That’s just not the way it works in the modern NFL.
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i guess there’s u and me, and about 5 or 6 others who get it. i know they want to believe. heck, so do i. but i’d rather hope they pick a good one in the draft or something. i happen to like palmer. i think he’s a skilled qb who shows some real football IQ. and guts. and leadership. yes, forces it at times. but i would rather hope for a #1 wr and a couple new linemen along with a young prospect than hope a kid that i can obviously see doesn’t have nfl passing ability will somehow magically work out, just cuz he’s black and mobile, which is honestly the only reason people seem to be blind to the reality.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
pryor’s a great kid. i almost feel sorry for him. he wants it. he works hard. he’s an amazing athlete out there. but he was really lucky not to be humiliated by 5 or 6 ints. really awful passes. put it this way. if he didn’t run so well (or was white), no one in the world would think he was worth playing at all.
he’s wasting his energies on the wrong position. he could be amazing with the ball in his hands. it’s when he tries to give it to someone else that he sucks.
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Dont feel sorry for him. He doesnt need ur pitty. Could have went anywhere in the country out of highschool for football/ basketball.
Went to ohio state was 34-4 record won a rose bowl named MVP.. suspended , learned humility and humbleness taken in the supplemental draft. suspended first 5 weeks.
Coach fired, Owner that takes him passes away. New staff, New OC has to relearn offsense. Number 3 qb the whole year cuz nobody is creative of enough to use him. Keeps working hard .. Keeps his mouth shut.. up into last week where he is still splitting reps with Leinart. Named starter.
MEdia hacks/ Coaching staff / Greg Papa doeesnt think he will show anything. Whats he do?
Leads team to their first scoring drive in 3 weeks, 1st rushing td since week 7.. Ingnites a fan base with hope.
Shows leadership, Poise, Charisma like Papa says. Media hacks change their view on the kid. Haters are mad he actually played well. DA changes his view on the kid in 4 days. He is just gonna keep grinding and working hard.
Good thing he doesnt have ur work ethic or determination u big dummy
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he also doesn’t have a good throwing arm. 46% 70.8 rating. u watched the game. he was horrendous passing the ball. u can’t be that stupid. u can’t teach throwing. u either have it or u don’t. he doesn’t. it’s a pipedream.
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:36 pm
right right. whenever someone disagrees, they’re a troll or a crossposter. whatever
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awww u mad?? keep trolling dude. U been doing it all year. Where is ur boy KNAPP at now??
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u couldn’t get me mad in a million years. u would have to say something remotely intelligent and correct.
my boy knapp? what, are u dumb?
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
canadianraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Rg3 and newton were anointed #1 before training camps in their rookie yr….even r.wilson was allowed to show what he can do with the coaches open eye…Pryor was always known to be their number 3 from the get go…how much attn was he really given….not much I don’t think…we can blame DA for that…nevertheless, if he was given a fair shot we would have seen plenty more of the kid, he brings an element that Palmer nor leinart bring….and I rather go on that than the what we seen from our other qbs
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In the National Football League a QB has to be able to stand there and deliver right out of the gate. Palmer could certainly do that. The knock on Pryor was he can’t. From what we saw on Sunday, he can’t. Again nothing against him, but you can’t hold 53 guys, 7 taxi squad guys, a dozen professional coaches, all the assistants, and trainers and front office people hostage hoping this one guy somehow finally figures it out. That’s just not the way it works in the modern NFL.
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Well, you actually can hold all the rest back waiting for one guy. It’s what Tennessee did with Vince Young. How’d that turn out for them?
On the bright side Raider nation, Tennessee wasted a high first round pick on their pipe dream. Oakland’s mistake was only a 3rd that also has potential at other positions.
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russell killed this org for years. and he could throw.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Actually, here’s a great new subject for the TP supporters. Please entertain us and explain, in specifics, how he’s actually a better potential NFL QB than Vince Young was his first 2 to 3 seasons.
I’ll give you the first one for free:
- He’s a little bit faster
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cmon it’s easy. “he had 3 td’s in his first start!”
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Im a Reggie Supporter as well. Mark me down
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 6:52 pm
LOL at Dr. Nob’s “epic” meltdown.
The zookeeper aka his mom should take the keyboard away from this monkey.
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racist. meltdown. we get it. repeat.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
The raiders are on the clock any early season predictions? I call Jarvis Jones pass rusher from georgia.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:03 pm
TP has played in one game granted, however Palmer has played in many. Someone tell me what has he done but loose. TP is not Tom Brady, but he has an upside that Palmer will never have. Give the young man a chance. One game against many!!!!!!!! WoW.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Jackie Bibby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
The raiders are on the clock any early season predictions? I call Jarvis Jones pass rusher from georgia.
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jones and moore are impressive. warmack would be a nice fit. i love teo. star doesn’t really impress me in the little i’ve watched. actually warmack doesn’t either but he’s supposed to be good. but i feel like we’re two OL and a #1 wr from having a really good offense. also, realizing dmc is done. i’m hoping they trade him straight up for mjd or mendenhall.
the defense made strides. if they can bring back carter, i think we might be ok. so, i’m hoping to get that offense going, so we can see what palmer can do in a real offense. i think 4500 yards, 28 td’s would be easy. and goodson/reece or mjd/mendenhall could get 1200/10 tds with a good line.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm
russell killed this org for years. and he could throw.
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At least he only cost 1 draft pick the #19 QB of all time cost us a 1st and a 2nd, but on the bright side he did throw for 4000yds during our 4 win season.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor is gonna get some good coaching and mentoring and in a year or two he’s gonna be healthy and not beat up and he’s gonna rip up this league. With his arm and his legs. Book it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm
I am a Pryor supporter, mark me down.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 pm
I think the Raiders are in an excellent position @ #3 overall to move back a few spots to gain an extra draft choice or two.
Not as expensive as the first two spots; teams have their eyes on 3-4 players, once two are gone they’ll pay the price to move up to draft, Werner, Te’o, Star, Lokoel, or Gino/Barkley if they see either as their franchise qb.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:10 pm
I’m a Tarver supporter, mark me down
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
i’ll soon get to the point that i simply tire of saying it, but it just boggles my mind that raider fans watched that game and came away thinking pryor has potential as a qb. it feels like a twilight zone episode, where everyone is crazy but me. i know i’m not crazy or imagining things but everyone seems to have lost their minds. i’m just glad guys like zymurge, dakota, seymour bush, and some others get it. at least i know there are actual fans with some actual knowledge.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:08 pm
russell killed this org for years. and he could throw.
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At least he only cost 1 draft pick the #19 QB of all time cost us a 1st and a 2nd, but on the bright side he did throw for 4000yds during our 4 win season.
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there u go. see? 4k yards. bad qb’s don’t do that. comprende?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Who was the last great QB to have a 4 win season again?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Pryor is gonna get some good coaching and mentoring and in a year or two he’s gonna be healthy and not beat up and he’s gonna rip up this league. With his arm and his legs. Book it.
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u could hire some good coaches and mentors and have the same chance of throwing a good nfl ball. it will never happen for either of u.
same as u will never throw a 90mph fastball no matter who coaches u.
it’s not in u. and it’s not in him. it can’t be taught.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
i’ll soon get to the point that i simply tire of saying it, but it just boggles my mind that raider fans watched that game and came away thinking pryor has potential as a qb. it feels like a twilight zone episode, where everyone is crazy but me. i know i’m not crazy or imagining things but everyone seems to have lost their minds. i’m just glad guys like zymurge, dakota, seymour bush, and some others get it. at least i know there are actual fans with some actual knowledge.
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You don’t think with a good coach and a little more time Pryor can get better? He’s a Raider. Got to support my team. I’ve seen Pryor up close. He’s a beast with desire. He’ll get there. Sooner than later. In spite of the haters.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm
6th or 7th is the farthest I would want Reggie to move back, as Moore, Jones, & Miliner would still be available.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:14 pm
after 10 years in the league I might add
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Is that dumb Btch still in here hatin?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
think pryor will never make it:
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
seymour bush
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
It is a big misconception that it is a given that a young QB will improve. In fact it typically works the opposite way, many young QB’s play OK for a few starts, the league figures them out, and they become journeyman NFL QBB’s afterwards.
With all that being said, I still want to can Palmer and get some youth to mix with TP and try to upgrade the position. I realize the Palmer salary-cap situation will probably hinder that for 2013, but he inspires ZERO confidence in me.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
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January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
same as u will never throw a 90mph fastball no matter who coaches u.
it’s not in u. and it’s not in him. it can’t be taught.
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Gotcha there. I’ve seen and been in college bull pens when a pitcher comes in in the fall and with indoor winter work we’ve got him up to 90 +. Mechanics and training. It’s done a lot. Granted not everyone can bump it up, but a lot can.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
think pryor will never make it:
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
seymour bush
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
i’ll soon get to the point that i simply tire of saying it, but it just boggles my mind that raider fans watched that game and came away thinking pryor has potential as a qb. it feels like a twilight zone episode, where everyone is crazy but me. i know i’m not crazy or imagining things but everyone seems to have lost their minds. i’m just glad guys like zymurge, dakota, seymour bush, and some others get it. at least i know there are actual fans with some actual knowledge.
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We know you have alternative “hater motives” but if you think TP has no potential as QB you are an idiot.
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
think pryor will never make it:
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
seymour bush
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Raiders lose Desmond Bryant, Star Lotelili becomes a higher priority.
However drafting and signing both could mean a 3-4; with DL being
Houston, Star, Bryant
Excellent DLine.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Who was the last great QB to have a 4 win season again?
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never said he was great. matthew stafford went 4-12 this year. cam newton went 6-10 last year. josh freeman went 4-12 last year. sam bradford went 2-14 last year. tony romo went 6-10 two years ago. so did brett favre. it goes on and on. good qb’s on bad teams.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
After this crap season this is one of the only things that makes me excited for next year.
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
Bring in a REAL OC and roll with TP.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
think pryor will never make it:
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
seymour bush
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 pm
I think we are losing focus on how the raiders can become better with Pryor.
For Pryor to succeed he needs very good coaching and a team that is decent behind him so he can learn to become a better overall QB. Currently we do not have that and probably won’t with DA still here.
To throw Palmer aside at this point and have pryor take over would be a disaster. To become a respectable franchise we can’t go this route. He’s not remotely ready to carry a team.
I think what best suits him is to be a backup to a veteran as we build a complete team first. Hopefully during his time as a backup he can mature more, become a better passer and learn the game behind Palmer. In 1-2 years, hopefully he can prove himself as a complete QB. If not we move on.
Pryor doubters are not haters, just don’t want the raiders to repeat a complete disaster like we had in 2012.
Most pryor supporters understand that he isn’t ready to be a full time starter (except the dillusional fans) and think he has potential.
Grooming him as a #2 does not harm to this franchise. Starting him next year will only do damage to not only the Raiders but Pryors growth.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
i’ll soon get to the point that i simply tire of saying it, but it just boggles my mind that raider fans watched that game and came away thinking pryor has potential as a qb. it feels like a twilight zone episode, where everyone is crazy but me. i know i’m not crazy or imagining things but everyone seems to have lost their minds. i’m just glad guys like zymurge, dakota, seymour bush, and some others get it. at least i know there are actual fans with some actual knowledge.
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The thing is its not just “Raider fans” that see we have something to work with here, is he a finished product? No not at all, but he showed he can be with some more work and he already would make a good #2.
Not sure what some of you expected from him, but from reading the “haters” comments even before this kid took a snap, I have a feeling no matter how he played ya’ll wouldn’t change your stance, obviously the ones who said he wouldn’t do good before the game think he didn’t and the ones who thought he would thinks he did. The ones who didn’t know what to expect came away pleasantly surprised, so….it is what it is
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Cork’s chat was interesting.
Basically implied that the reason Wiz Sr. left had everything to do with not getting along with Frank Pollack.
Also said that MM34 is not a top priority re-sign. I like him on the blitzes, but this was the 2nd season in a row, a week 17 kickoff return by the Chargers for a TD went RIGHT THROUGH his lane.
Might have cost us the playoffs last year.
If you can’t be an everydown player (which he clearly can’t be) you got to be better on ST.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
This is my new “8-8 with potential” LOL
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
Go Raiders
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Who was the last great QB to have a 4 win season again?
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never said he was great. matthew stafford went 4-12 this year. cam newton went 6-10 last year. josh freeman went 4-12 last year. sam bradford went 2-14 last year. tony romo went 6-10 two years ago. so did brett favre. it goes on and on. good qb’s on bad teams.
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BS about 100 post up you said he was the 19th best of all time.
Posts don’t lie, liar do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
same as u will never throw a 90mph fastball no matter who coaches u.
it’s not in u. and it’s not in him. it can’t be taught.
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Gotcha there. I’ve seen and been in college bull pens when a pitcher comes in in the fall and with indoor winter work we’ve got him up to 90 +. Mechanics and training. It’s done a lot. Granted not everyone can bump it up, but a lot can.
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that’s physical maturity and strength. ur not gonna win that one. i happen to be a varsity high school baseball head coach and pitching is my specialty. put guys in the pros. they can gain velocity as they mature, but not after they reach adulthood. and that only means they had it in them. no one “taught” them to throw a 90mph fastball. otherwise, everyone would be doing it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:25 pm
I think we are losing focus on how the raiders can become better with Pryor.
For Pryor to succeed he needs very good coaching and a team that is decent behind him so he can learn to become a better overall QB. Currently we do not have that and probably won’t with DA still here.
To throw Palmer aside at this point and have pryor take over would be a disaster. To become a respectable franchise we can’t go this route. He’s not remotely ready to carry a team.
I think what best suits him is to be a backup to a veteran as we build a complete team first. Hopefully during his time as a backup he can mature more, become a better passer and learn the game behind Palmer. In 1-2 years, hopefully he can prove himself as a complete QB. If not we move on.
Pryor doubters are not haters, just don’t want the raiders to repeat a complete disaster like we had in 2012.
Most pryor supporters understand that he isn’t ready to be a full time starter (except the dillusional fans) and think he has potential.
Grooming him as a #2 does not harm to this franchise. Starting him next year will only do damage to not only the Raiders but Pryors growth.
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Oh quit it with that grooming crap. TP is ready to roll!
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Can’t wait to see the Gators cry in their gator soup.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Bridge water is the real deal, man. Reminds me very much of Aaron Rodgers. Mobile, but uses it to avoid the rush first and foremost. Great at reading the defense and making good decisions. And then delivers the ball with supreme accuracy. Very good prospect.
Only concern I would have is he’s a bit slight. Could he hold up to the NFL pounding. But A very, VERY good player.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Worth reading the whole Ray Horton interview to gauge the mindset of a good/bad coach.
http://www.azcentral.com/insiders/kentsomers/2013/01/02/ray-horton-on-his-interview-with-the-arizona-cardinals/
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
same as u will never throw a 90mph fastball no matter who coaches u.
it’s not in u. and it’s not in him. it can’t be taught.
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Gotcha there. I’ve seen and been in college bull pens when a pitcher comes in in the fall and with indoor winter work we’ve got him up to 90 +. Mechanics and training. It’s done a lot. Granted not everyone can bump it up, but a lot can.
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and it’s not “done a lot”. the great majority of college pitchers can only dream of 90mph, let alone throwing it with accuracy.
and we’re talking the equivalent of a 75mph pitcher “learning” how to throw 90 and WITH accuracy and movement. it never happens. and if it ever did, it would be the exception that proved the rule.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:31 pm
he also doesn’t have a good throwing arm. 46% 70.8 rating. u watched the game. he was horrendous passing the ball. u can’t be that stupid. u can’t teach throwing. u either have it or u don’t. he doesn’t. it’s a pipedream.
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U must have missed that pass that landed in streters lap down the seam for 38 yards.. or the back shoulder throw to DHB for the 1st score. Or the many passes WR dropped. Keep trolling dude.. ur a clown. Funny one too.
Trollin on 22’s
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Wow. Talk about your all-time backfires!
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
i’ll soon get to the point that i simply tire of saying it, but it just boggles my mind that raider fans watched that game and came away thinking pryor has potential as a qb. it feels like a twilight zone episode, where everyone is crazy but me. i know i’m not crazy or imagining things but everyone seems to have lost their minds. i’m just glad guys like zymurge, dakota, seymour bush, and some others get it. at least i know there are actual fans with some actual knowledge.
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We know you have alternative “hater motives” but if you think TP has no potential as QB you are an idiot.
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
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u don’t any such thing. u just keep repeating that i’m a racist cuz it’s all u got. a cheap and meaningless thing to say with no merit. but dummies do that when they’re desperate and don’t have anything smart to say.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Bridgewater is good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:33 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
think pryor will never make it:
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
seymour bush
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
who else?
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pure lie. nobody with raiders believes he will ever be a starter. papa doesn’t believe that. no one has said it. they said he “looked better than they thought he would” and “he has earned more evaluation”. that’s actually damn-ing him with faint praise, meaning if they really thought he could do it, they’d come out and say it directly.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey ($7.721 million salary)!
You’re telling me DUI is making more money than Tommy Kelly or Darren Mcfadden!
This dropsies and fumbalitis useless WR is making more than 7 million next year! He can’t even crack number 2 WR on most professional squads. RESTRUCTURE or get the f out. (Oh but he works real hard when he is not getting drunk behind the wheel in SF)
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
After this crap season this is one of the only things that makes me excited for next year.
Terrelle Pryor Breakdown, Chargers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34QqP_XstbE
Bring in a REAL OC and roll with TP.
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that’s cuz u know almost nothing about football obviously.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Who was the last great QB to have a 4 win season again?
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never said he was great. matthew stafford went 4-12 this year. cam newton went 6-10 last year. josh freeman went 4-12 last year. sam bradford went 2-14 last year. tony romo went 6-10 two years ago. so did brett favre. it goes on and on. good qb’s on bad teams.
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BS about 100 post up you said he was the 19th best of all time.
Posts don’t lie, liar do.
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did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
I say the jury is still out on Pryor. Truly shocked at how many fans are ready to go all-in on him based on the SD game. I mean, he showed flashes of greatness and also threw some cringeworthy passes. I’m reserving judgement for now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Basically implied that the reason Wiz Sr. left had everything to do with not getting along with Frank Pollack.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I knew it.
I’m done with DA. I think he should be fired too. He lacks experience, hired his friends, and the team regressed in every way except penalties.
Fire titty monkey!
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Can’t wait to see the Gators cry in their gator soup.
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Me too. That Muschamp guy is such a psychopath when he gets mad; spit flying all over, red faced nutcase.
And that gator “chomp” thing?…
Charlie Strong was a former asst. there so this is sweet revenge if they can hang on.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:37 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw.
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
who else?
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What do you mean by make it?
Franchise QB?
Consistent Starter?
Could start for a bad team at some point?
Backup?
3rd string?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Bridge water is the real deal, man. Reminds me very much of Aaron Rodgers.
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Man, I was going to post that exact same comparision.
They have almost identical looking throwing motions to me, and Bridgewater has great footwork, moving to throw not to run (same as Rodgers).
But Bridgewater is no Butte College Fighting Roadrunner!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Nice nice nice.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:31 pm
he also doesn’t have a good throwing arm. 46% 70.8 rating. u watched the game. he was horrendous passing the ball. u can’t be that stupid. u can’t teach throwing. u either have it or u don’t. he doesn’t. it’s a pipedream.
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U must have missed that pass that landed in streters lap down the seam for 38 yards.. or the back shoulder throw to DHB for the 1st score. Or the many passes WR dropped. Keep trolling dude.. ur a clown. Funny one too.
Trollin on 22’s
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46% 70.8 rating. i watched all the throws. he sucked. to be a good nfl qb, he can’t make three throws a game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
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So you don’t think the person you consider the #19 passer of all time is a great QB?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t it time you left the basement and took your mom to bingo?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:37 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw.
who else?
Dj Johnny, Steve Corkran, Steve Tasker, Jackie Biddy
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Burn a time out? Nice panic move.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Muschamp may be a good X and O guy and recruiter, but all year he has had some serious head-scratchers at times.
Basically just blew this 2nd half in about 3 plays, lol.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
I say the jury is still out on Pryor. Truly shocked at how many fans are ready to go all-in on him based on the SD game. I mean, he showed flashes of greatness and also threw some cringeworthy passes. I’m reserving judgement for now.
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I think 99% of us would love it if he came out and just dominated and looked like RG3.
At the end of the day, we all want the Raiders to win…period. We don’t care if our QB is some flaming queen who wears a pink boa to his post game presser with Elton John sun glasses and one of those bobbing dildo hats.
Well, that might be taking it a little too far i guess.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 pm
46% 70.8 rating. i watched all the throws. he sucked. to be a good nfl qb, he can’t make three throws a game.
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3tds 3 Rz Trips.. Agenda
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Based on QBR which most sane fans understand is not the best way to judge QBs.
According to the list, CP, Culpepper, and Vick are better than Elway. you have to be on crack to believe that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
1st career start..
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
think pryor will never make it:
n/a
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw
Dj Johnny
Steve Corkran
Steve Tasker
Jackie Biddy
JFB
RaiderRockstar
Raider Riff
RaidingTexas
ENGLANDRAIDER
Reggie McKenzie
Dennis Allen
Norv Turner
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Damn.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
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So you don’t think the person you consider the #19 passer of all time is a great QB?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t it time you left the basement and took your mom to bingo?
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i don’t “consider” him anything. it’s the nfl’s list. talk to them. u don’t like facts cuz they go against ur crush on pryor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:37 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
think pryor will never make it:
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw.
who else?
Dj Johnny, Steve Corkran, Steve Tasker, Jackie Biddy
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liar. none of them said that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Cards coulda buried the gators. Damn.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
I don’t want to speak for Dakota, but he doesn’t think TP will make it as a QB.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:41 pm
46% 70.8 rating. i watched all the throws. he sucked. to be a good nfl qb, he can’t make three throws a game.
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3tds 3 Rz Trips.. Agenda
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u saw an nfl arm?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Wow. How do u not score after 1st and goal at the 4. Key possession coming up in this game. Seriously.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Tood Marinovich and Jamarcus had better first career starts, and Billy Joe Hobert light it up his rookie year in the last game of the season.
Week 17 might be the most useless statistical reference point in all of sports.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Profootballtalk reports that the Bears are “currently interviewing” Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael Jr. for the team’s head-coaching vacancy on Wednesday night.
….
this was one of the guys I wanted Reggie to interview for HC last year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Based on QBR which most sane fans understand is not the best way to judge QBs.
According to the list, CP, Culpepper, and Vick are better than Elway. you have to be on crack to believe that.
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look up and compare their carrer stats and get back to me. u only know the “legend” cuz u watched some shows on espn. know the facts. elway stunk for a long time.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
think pryor will never make it:
n/a
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw
Dj Johnny
Steve Corkran
Steve Tasker
Jackie Biddy
JFB
RaiderRockstar
Raider Riff
RaidingTexas
ENGLANDRAIDER
Reggie McKenzie
Dennis Allen
Norv Turner
Deion Sanders
Greg Knapp
Marshall Faulk
Solomon Wilcotts
Al Saunders
Eric Davis
95.7 crew
Marcel Reece
who else?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
1st career start..
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1st or 40th. the arm don’t get better.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
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So you don’t think the person you consider the #19 passer of all time is a great QB?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t it time you left the basement and took your mom to bingo?
***********
i don’t “consider” him anything. it’s the nfl’s list. talk to them. u don’t like facts cuz they go against ur crush on pryor.
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I got something for your list.
Tony Romo > Carson Palmer
Both career LOSERS.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
More like this:
think pryor will never make it:
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
GG
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Excuse me *meaningless* week 17 games might be the most useless statistical reference point in all of sports.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Csn -Paul Gut has us rank last 3 in his rankings..
But you know what ,we dont care and we dont give a rib !
His 49rs stink! And they will lose the playoffs. Playoffs ? Yes
Playoffs!
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
think pryor will never make it:
n/a
thinks he will:
priest
missdick
raiderO
whoknows
da trinity
RaidRaid
Nap
Greg Pappa
Mark Davis
A lot of Raider people
Seymour Bush
dr robert
zymurge
dakota
GG
A lot of people who like what they saw
Dj Johnny
Steve Corkran
Steve Tasker
Jackie Biddy
JFB
RaiderRockstar
Raider Riff
RaidingTexas
ENGLANDRAIDER
Reggie McKenzie
Dennis Allen
Norv Turner
Deion Sanders
Greg Knapp
Marshall Faulk
Solomon Wilcotts
Al Saunders
Eric Davis
95.7 crew
Marcel Reece
who else?
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what, are u twelve?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
u saw an nfl arm?
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Pryor is was not in the nfl? It was not an NFL game I was watching???? He was starting right??
1st or 40th. the arm don’t get better.
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Oh cuz u said so fatty?? sure it does. Dont be silly. Run along lil troll
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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Checkmate to Dr Knob the “high school coach” lmfao
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
*************************************
So you don’t think the person you consider the #19 passer of all time is a great QB?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t it time you left the basement and took your mom to bingo?
***********
i don’t “consider” him anything. it’s the nfl’s list. talk to them. u don’t like facts cuz they go against ur crush on pryor.
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I got something for your list.
Tony Romo > Carson Palmer
Both career LOSERS.
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even if that was the truth, they’re both 100 times better than pryor.
career .000 winning percentage.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Robert is getting pwned so bad its sad. The clown is all by himself..
Deep down he secretley admires Pryor.. he jsut cant go back now. He would look more dumb then he already is.
Just like he cant go back on his KNAPP love now that he was fired. Worse Flip Flopper then DA
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
did i say he was great? i stated the facts. #19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
*************************************
So you don’t think the person you consider the #19 passer of all time is a great QB?
I don’t get it.
Isn’t it time you left the basement and took your mom to bingo?
***********
i don’t “consider” him anything. it’s the nfl’s list. talk to them. u don’t like facts cuz they go against ur crush on pryor.
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I got something for your list.
Tony Romo > Carson Palmer
Both career LOSERS.
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even if that was the truth, they’re both 100 times better than pryor.
career .000 winning percentage.
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To early to make that comment.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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LOL. Aren’t those guys in the Hall of Fame
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
But Pryor is a member of the Heart of the Lion club, and I think that is really what this organization needs in spades.
I think right now he is a very, almost identical, prospect to Tim Tebow. Tebow might be a tougher runner, TP is certianly faster. Both struggle immensely throwing it across the field, both are at their peak best running around creating things on the fly.
Tebow is known as this elite hard-worker, but there is a difference between working on your QB mechanics, and flipping tires until 3am up a hill.
TP will get better, how much, don’t know.
Because he does have to get A LOT better to be a 5 year starting QB.
Next preseason will be a great tell on that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
KK
Did ya see DA fired his whole staff? I mean did he gut his whole staff really? Really the whole staff gutted?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Is Bridgewater coming out?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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LOL. Aren’t those guys in the Hall of Fame
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Shhhhhh
Did you watch them play? Because according to the list, Vick & Culpepper are better QBs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Is Bridgewater coming out?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Nope.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
There is a great game goin on. Gators are suckin and people are arguing how TP ain’t gonna make it. Go figure.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
JFB,
Do you subscribe to the theory that Pryor’s elusiveness lessens the need for pin point accuracy?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
JFB,
Do you subscribe to the theory that Pryor’s elusiveness lessens the need for pin point accuracy?
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Yup
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
According to this stupid list that Dr. Nob is fascinated by:
TP > Plunkett & Namath
Culpepper > CP
Culpeer, CP, and Vick > Elway
That’s all we need to know about this stupid list.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:57 pm
It also highlights how stupid Dr Knob is.
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:58 pm
When does free agency begin?
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:59 pm
February/March
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 pm
I can’t believe this racist attention seeking whore Monkey aka Dr. Nob was trying to argue how good/ great CP was/ is based on that dumb list.
You Monkeys are funny.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Do you subscribe to the theory that Pryor’s elusiveness lessens the need for pin point accuracy?
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Ehhhh…..yeah I will cede that A TAD, but he needs to get more accurate to survive in the NFL.
Can’t rely on “elusiveness”. What happens when that day you just aren’t as elusive as normal?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Feb. 23-26, 2013: NFL Scouting Combine, Indianapolis
March 12, 2013: Free agency starts
April 25-27, 2013: NFL draft
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Why so late before FA begins?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:01 pm
W’s putting it on the Varsity LA squad
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Go look at the first 3 games Palmer started in the nfl.. the 2nd game and 3rd were horrible throwing INTS all over
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Can’t rely on “elusiveness”. What happens when that day you just aren’t as elusive as normal?
$$$$$$$$$$$
Hopefully that’s more than enough time to improve his accuracy.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
See what happens when u put some guys with heart / desire on ur team.
See WARRIORS
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
This is great. Cut Palmer!
The 5 Most Overrated NFL QB’s
5. Alex Smith
4. “Carson Palmer- Carson Palmer retired because he didn’t want to play for the Bengals anymore even after signing a contract. The Bengals would like to thank Palmer for his selfishness. They scored Andy Dalton and A.J. Green in the wake of Palmer’s departure. The former Heisman trophy winner has had some good regular seasons, but little to no success in the playoffs. He is an above average quarterback, but what the Raiders traded for was more than that. Palmer has been below average in bringing the Raiders to the level of play that they thought he would command. They missed out on the playoffs last season in a division that was won with 8 games. This season the Raiders are banged up, but Palmer has only been able to net his team 3 wins. Don’t let his inflated numbers fool you. Everybody is the NFL is throwing career numbers due to the rules that protect quarterbacks and receivers. Palmer is overrated for the simple fact that he has only taken his team to the playoffs once albeit in a strong division. His QBR which is a better indicator of performance is near the bottom of the league.”
3. Tony Romo
2. Philip Rivers
1. Michael Vick
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
What happens when that day you just aren’t as elusive as normal?
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Replaced
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Sucks not having a 2nd round pick.
Tough to get into full on draft “scouting” mode for games, when you are looking at the #3 pick and then #67.
There is a lot of guys here playing that will be right in that late first early second range, but what’s the point right?
Don’t think we will be able to trade down for much. Who the hell wants to trade up in this draft?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Dang it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Where is Dr. Nob?
LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
is QBR which is a better indicator of performance is near the bottom of the league.”
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Ouch
Just shows you every player has his set of fans,
People will defend Palmer with the same reasons some people used for Russell. WRs, Oline, and play caller, LOL.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Add to that
The 5 Most Overrated NFL QB’s
Alex Smith lost his job.
Romo should be cut.LOSER like Palmer
Rivers should be the only safe one.
Vick will be out of Philly.
Palmer should be cut!
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
See what happens when u put some guys with heart / desire on ur team
See WARRIORS
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And keeping your rookie coach who takes the team backwards his first year!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
One of those players is going to fall to us and our high 3rd rd pick.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
u saw an nfl arm?
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Pryor is was not in the nfl? It was not an NFL game I was watching???? He was starting right??
1st or 40th. the arm don’t get better.
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Oh cuz u said so fatty?? sure it does. Dont be silly. Run along lil troll
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nope. never happens. throwing arms don’t improve but a little bit. just tweaking. can’t make silk out of a sow’s ear.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:10 pm
W’s putting it on the Varsity LA squad
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LOL
Keep trying.
Dubs O’fer against the Lakers.
Thoughts????
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
u saw an nfl arm?
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Pryor is was not in the nfl? It was not an NFL game I was watching???? He was starting right??
1st or 40th. the arm don’t get better.
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Oh cuz u said so fatty?? sure it does. Dont be silly. Run along lil troll
*************
nope. never happens.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Robert is getting pwned so bad its sad. The clown is all by himself..
Deep down he secretley admires Pryor.. he jsut cant go back now. He would look more dumb then he already is.
Just like he cant go back on his KNAPP love now that he was fired. Worse Flip Flopper then DA
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i said i liked knapp? poor little liar. pathetic and desperate.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
At the end of the day, we all want the Raiders to win…period. We don’t care if our QB is some flaming queen who wears a pink boa to his post game presser with Elton John sun glasses and one of those bobbing dildo hats.
Well, that might be taking it a little too far i guess.
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Not really. He got fired a couple years back.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
LOL
I turn to that game and it’s in the 2nd qtr????
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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LOL. Aren’t those guys in the Hall of Fame
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you’d know the answer to that if u knew football.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Trade down (if possible):
1- DT/ NT J Hankins from THE OSU
2- CB Xavier Rhodes or Amerson
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins
4- ILB Andrew Jackson
Resign Wheeler Bryant and Shaughnessy, release TK, and trade McClain (I doubt this is going to work since DA is staying)
RDE: B Jenkins
DT: Hankins/ Bilukidi
DT: Bryant/ Houston
LDE: Houston/ Shaughnessy
OLB: Wheeler
ILB: Andrew Jackson
OLB: Burris
CB: Rhodes
CB: Adams/ Chekwa
FS: Huff/ Ross
SS: Branch
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
But Pryor is a member of the Heart of the Lion club, and I think that is really what this organization needs in spades.
I think right now he is a very, almost identical, prospect to Tim Tebow. Tebow might be a tougher runner, TP is certianly faster. Both struggle immensely throwing it across the field, both are at their peak best running around creating things on the fly.
Tebow is known as this elite hard-worker, but there is a difference between working on your QB mechanics, and flipping tires until 3am up a hill.
TP will get better, how much, don’t know.
Because he does have to get A LOT better to be a 5 year starting QB.
Next preseason will be a great tell on that.
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they are very very similar. and a year after going to the playoffs, tebow may be out of the nfl.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
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So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
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he’s kordell stewart if he’s lucky.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
LOL
18 pt lead gone that quick.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Whoknows Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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LOL. Aren’t those guys in the Hall of Fame
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Shhhhhh
Did you watch them play? Because according to the list, Vick & Culpepper are better QBs.
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vick and culpepper are definitely better. plunkett isn’t in the hall for one, and for good reason. and namath is widely accepted to be the worst hall of famer, in there solely on his fame and one great year. these are facts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:17 pm
LOL
Steph wants no part of Bledsoe.
Knows he’ll get his pocket picked.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
PHUCC trading down, O!
Take our medicine.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
**********
not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
*********
he’s kordell stewart if he’s lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Great!!! Because according to that dumb list, Stewart is better than Plunkett and Namath.
I feel better now. Thx.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
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u may be a bigger liar than priest. putting words in my mouth u know i never said. i never said it was everything. it’s nfl’s list, not mine. and i said pryor was very lucky not to get picked at least 5 or 6 times. his true rating would about 40.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:19 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:57 pm
It also highlights how stupid Dr Knob is.
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and yet every nfl person in existence sides with me over u.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Comon Cards. Stop hen gators.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Keep trying.
Dubs O’fer against the Lakers.
Thoughts????
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I am going to Cali, April 25th, reported to be the first week of the NBA playoffs.
Hope I can hit a LAL-GSW playoff game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
BUSH WHY ARE YOU COMPARING PRYOR TO PLAYERS YOU DONT WATCH PLAY?!?! RGIII & WILSON!!!!
Bush you are a phony you didn’t know shid about hybrid option football RGIII or Wilson.
You said they run a dumbed down gimmick offense that the n has caught up with lmao.
NOW YIUR TRYING TO SAY PRYOR DOESN’T COMPARE TO THEM THOUGH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE?!?!?
You are a joke in here.
Stick to topics you know about the wave of the future is above your head
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:00 pm
I can’t believe this racist attention seeking whore Monkey aka Dr. Nob was trying to argue how good/ great CP was/ is based on that dumb list.
You Monkeys are funny.
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that dumb list being the nfl’s own qb list. shows ur stupidity.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
PHUCC trading down, O!
Take our medicine.
$$$$$$$$
I like the trading down option (if possible), and I’m not interested in taking your medicine.
You People are crazy. lol
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Brudgewater has been one of the best qbs since his freshman year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Hell yeah.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
This is great. Cut Palmer!
The 5 Most Overrated NFL QB’s
5. Alex Smith
4. “Carson Palmer- Carson Palmer retired because he didn’t want to play for the Bengals anymore even after signing a contract. The Bengals would like to thank Palmer for his selfishness. They scored Andy Dalton and A.J. Green in the wake of Palmer’s departure. The former Heisman trophy winner has had some good regular seasons, but little to no success in the playoffs. He is an above average quarterback, but what the Raiders traded for was more than that. Palmer has been below average in bringing the Raiders to the level of play that they thought he would command. They missed out on the playoffs last season in a division that was won with 8 games. This season the Raiders are banged up, but Palmer has only been able to net his team 3 wins. Don’t let his inflated numbers fool you. Everybody is the NFL is throwing career numbers due to the rules that protect quarterbacks and receivers. Palmer is overrated for the simple fact that he has only taken his team to the playoffs once albeit in a strong division. His QBR which is a better indicator of performance is near the bottom of the league.”
3. Tony Romo
2. Philip Rivers
1. Michael Vick
J Hill Says:
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4k yards and 22 tds in 14 games when ur wrs are dhb and moore.
pryor couldn’t achieve that in two seasons.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
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u may be a bigger liar than priest. putting words in my mouth u know i never said. i never said it was everything. it’s nfl’s list, not mine. and i said pryor was very lucky not to get picked at least 5 or 6 times. his true rating would about 40.
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You sure do like to hear yourself talk. You’ve been in here all freaking day hating on people.
What a dumbass.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Desmond Bryant has to be our top in-house FA resigning priority.
As far as the rest of the FA market, need to get the best WR we can.
Enough of this being a “deep” WR corp, because we have five #3 WR’s.
We need top-shelf talent.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Brudgewater has been one of the best qbs since his freshman year.
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He’s a good one. I thought he got shaken pretty good on the first hit of the game but he’s hung in there tough as nails.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:23 pm
J Hill Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
is QBR which is a better indicator of performance is near the bottom of the league.”
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Ouch
Just shows you every player has his set of fans,
People will defend Palmer with the same reasons some people used for Russell. WRs, Oline, and play caller, LOL.
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4k yards and 22 tds in 14 games. no excuse necessary. it’s u people who don’t understand the game.
name a horrible 4k yard passer. can’t do it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
This is great. Cut Palmer!
The 5 Most Overrated NFL QB’s
5. Alex Smith
4. “Carson Palmer- Carson Palmer retired because he didn’t want to play for the Bengals anymore even after signing a contract. The Bengals would like to thank Palmer for his selfishness. They scored Andy Dalton and A.J. Green in the wake of Palmer’s departure. The former Heisman trophy winner has had some good regular seasons, but little to no success in the playoffs. He is an above average quarterback, but what the Raiders traded for was more than that. Palmer has been below average in bringing the Raiders to the level of play that they thought he would command. They missed out on the playoffs last season in a division that was won with 8 games. This season the Raiders are banged up, but Palmer has only been able to net his team 3 wins. Don’t let his inflated numbers fool you. Everybody is the NFL is throwing career numbers due to the rules that protect quarterbacks and receivers. Palmer is overrated for the simple fact that he has only taken his team to the playoffs once albeit in a strong division. His QBR which is a better indicator of performance is near the bottom of the league.”
3. Tony Romo
2. Philip Rivers
1. Michael Vick
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Is that factually correct? I thought Palmer was # 16 in QBR for the season. That would make as near the top as near the bottom.
AND, if QBR is a better indicator than Palmer’s # 19 all time has even more validity according to this.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Add to that
The 5 Most Overrated NFL QB’s
Alex Smith lost his job.
Romo should be cut.LOSER like Palmer
Rivers should be the only safe one.
Vick will be out of Philly.
Palmer should be cut!
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ur embarrassing urself.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Pryor leads a drive of 80 yards & 78 yards for scores & people lie & say he was only good in the red zone?!?!
Stfu with that garbage & just admit you are a hater
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Klay thompson is looking like carson palmer… “turnover machine.” Thats 4 straight turnovers and hes the 1 responsible.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
*********
he’s kordell stewart if he’s lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Great!!! Because according to that dumb list, Stewart is better than Plunkett and Namath.
I feel better now. Thx.
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he was.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Isn’t QBR the ESPN version of QB rating?
I think it weighs points earned by the score at the time.
I.E. a TD in a 14 point game isn’t worth as much as a TD in a tie game.
QB rating, does not decipher that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:20 pm
BUSH WHY ARE YOU COMPARING PRYOR TO PLAYERS YOU DONT WATCH PLAY?!?! RGIII & WILSON!!!!
Bush you are a phony you didn’t know shid about hybrid option football RGIII or Wilson.
You said they run a dumbed down gimmick offense that the n has caught up with lmao.
NOW YIUR TRYING TO SAY PRYOR DOESN’T COMPARE TO THEM THOUGH YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THE?!?!?
You are a joke in here.
Stick to topics you know about the wave of the future is above your head
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griffin is great. wilson is good. pryor sucks. u know this.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:27 pm
63 INTs in 4 years!
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Nice
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
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u may be a bigger liar than priest. putting words in my mouth u know i never said. i never said it was everything. it’s nfl’s list, not mine. and i said pryor was very lucky not to get picked at least 5 or 6 times. his true rating would about 40.
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You sure do like to hear yourself talk. You’ve been in here all freaking day hating on people.
What a dumbass.
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u must like to read my posts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Not a big Klay Thompson fan long-term.
Reminds me of Detlef Schrempf, way better as a 6 man than a starter.
For awhile, Klay had the worst 3 point shooting % of any starting guard in the NBA. Last out of 60 is not good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
*********
he’s kordell stewart if he’s lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Great!!! Because according to that dumb list, Stewart is better than Plunkett and Namath.
I feel better now. Thx.
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he was.
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Slash was better than Namath and Plunkett?!
LMAO
That’s all we need to know about Dr. Nob.
Still LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Desmond Bryant has to be our top in-house FA resigning priority.
As far as the rest of the FA market, need to get the best WR we can.
Enough of this being a “deep” WR corp, because we have five #3 WR’s.
We need top-shelf talent.
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myers, barnes, goodson, bryant, carter, wheeler all should be resigned.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:31 pm
This posted a while ago. Fun facts at the time. Palmer is so OVERATED.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Pryor leads a drive of 80 yards & 78 yards for scores & people lie & say he was only good in the red zone?!?!
Stfu with that garbage & just admit you are a hater
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46% 70.8 rating. rainbow ducks all day. laughable.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
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this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Palmer is right up there with Aaron Brooks. Elite? LOL!
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
**********
not my list stupid. the nfl’s.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So….. You agree that TP is better than Plunkett and Namath?
*********
he’s kordell stewart if he’s lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Great!!! Because according to that dumb list, Stewart is better than Plunkett and Namath.
I feel better now. Thx.
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he was.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Slash was better than Namath and Plunkett?!
LMAO
That’s all we need to know about Dr. Nob.
Still LOL
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do u know what their careers were like? u never saw any of them play. u don’t know their career lines. all u know is “legend”. ur a lazy know-nothing football-ignorant stooge.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Hope I can hit a LAL-GSW playoff game.
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That should be fun to watch.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:31 pm
This posted a while ago. Fun facts at the time. Palmer is so OVERATED.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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what are u seeing? palmer’s numbers blow brooks away. can’t u even understand simple #’s?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Crap
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
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this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
These stats include this year you Effie retard.
63/4= is about 16 INTs/ season which is 1INT/ games
CP played 14 games this season, and he maintained his INT average which One/ game.
Is that simple enough for you?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Palmer is right up there with Aaron Brooks. Elite? LOL!
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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i’ll do it for u clown.
palmer 62.9% brooks 56.5%
palmer 154 tds brooks 123 tds
palmer 86.9 rating brooks 78.5 rating
read ur own stupid post dummy.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:38 pm
effen gators better suck it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:38 pm
do u know what their careers were like? u never saw any of them play. u don’t know their career lines. all u know is “legend”. ur a lazy know-nothing football-ignorant stooge.
$$$$$$$$$
Good point:
Slash couldn’t keep the starting job for the steelers, and Namath and Plunkett won SBs.
You are retarded, but you are entertaining me, so I will continue to have fun with you mental midget.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:38 pm
4k yards 22 tds 14 ints in 14 games.
even a complete idiot like urself should understand what a retard u are for saying he sucks.
name one 4k yard passer who sucks. can’t do it.
ur a stooge. a retard. a moron. u have no intelligence. should i go on? ur an embarrassment to ur mother.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
**********
this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
________________________________
and a Total Quarterback Rating – 2012
#28 Carson Palmer 44.7
Right above
#29 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 40.9
For fun last QB is:
#36 Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.4
Yeah that Palmer is real gamer. LOL.
Cut Palmer!
Roll with TP. I think he can do better. Hell i think i could do better. LOL
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:38 pm
do u know what their careers were like? u never saw any of them play. u don’t know their career lines. all u know is “legend”. ur a lazy know-nothing football-ignorant stooge.
$$$$$$$$$
Good point:
Slash couldn’t keep the starting job for the steelers, and Namath and Plunkett won SBs.
You are retarded, but you are entertaining me, so I will continue to have fun with you mental midget.
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in other words, u don’t know what their careers were like.
kordell sucked.
namath had one glorious season and then went on to become one of the worst qb’s in the league.
plunkett was dumped by two teams cuz he sucked so bad. he came off the bench after being 3rd string and led his team to a 9-7 record, barely snuck into the playoffs and then got hot, along with a great defense and kenny king going wild.
then he lost his job immediately to marc wilson for a couple years. then due to wilson’s suckness, started for them again and rode the great marcus allen and again, another great defense into a great year. that’s about 1.5 good seasons. he sucked after that really badly.
look it up stooge.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Wow. What a punt.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
**********
this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
________________________________
and a Total Quarterback Rating – 2012
#28 Carson Palmer 44.7
Right above
#29 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 40.9
For fun last QB is:
#36 Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.4
Yeah that Palmer is real gamer. LOL.
Cut Palmer!
Roll with TP. I think he can do better. Hell i think i could do better. LOL
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u thinking he could do better seals the deal. he never will.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
**********
this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
________________________________
and a Total Quarterback Rating – 2012
#28 Carson Palmer 44.7
Right above
#29 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 40.9
For fun last QB is:
#36 Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.4
Yeah that Palmer is real gamer. LOL.
Cut Palmer!
Roll with TP. I think he can do better. Hell i think i could do better. LOL
***********
u thinking he could do better seals the deal. he never will.
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TP do better? That’s not asking much…
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I think we can get a late round pick for him. 5-7th round.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Palmer will be a one of the best backup QBs in the league next year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
I agree with Chris in NY with regards to McCheese. He’s beyond damaged goods. He simply has a bad attitude with very poor work ethics. He got to many $’s, too quick and has assumed the position of unappreciative bunghole. He’s certainly NOT a leader nor will he ever be. I’ll give it to him that he was put in a position of playing out of position but that’s no excuse for being a lazy malingerer – which he is.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
#19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
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GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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Checkmate to Dr Knob the “high school coach” lmfao
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stats don’t lie, liars lie
isn’t that right dr knob
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:53 pm
rediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Palmer will be a one of the best backup QBs in the league next year.
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Who is the starter?
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:58 pm
I think that list reflects a minimum number of starts or passes.
Plunkett had some horrible numbers alot of his career; he just had some great flashes. You can’t take away his two super bowls.
That list doesn’t take into account “clutch” or big game numbers as opposed to other numbers, which is why Romo ranks so high.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Nice job Louisville. Game is not even as close as the score.
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:59 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
stats are for people who want objective criteria with no opinions. u would not do well in the business world.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
pryor sucks as a passer. and always will. end of story really.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
only FACT that matters:
pryor sucks as a passer. everything else is pointless.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
stats tell the truth. liars lie.
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WHAT A LOSER ↑
WHAT A LOSER ↓
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
**********
LOL! I played for the #3 team in the country. I’m a high school coach, defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
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LOL indeed
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Nice job Louisville. Game is not even as close as the score.
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Which is unfortunate. I wanted it to be more humiliating.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Open competition for Raiders’ starting QB; Palmer, Pryor, Lechler
Palmer wins, Pryor #2, Lechler thirdstring after other two get injured leads us to sb championship.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Just to be clear, are some of you guys saying Pryor should start over Palmer going into the next season?
If he is, then it would mean he earned it and if that’s the case then it’s all good.
Way too small of a sample size at this point imo.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Open competition for Raiders’ starting QB; Palmer, Pryor, Lechler
Palmer wins, Pryor #2, Lechler thirdstring after other two get injured leads us to sb championship.
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Lechler is gone i think.
Maybe Marquette King will be the guy to lead us to the SB.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Teddy Bridgewater. Part of the new wave. I’m sold.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Raider (since 1967)
Hate those come from behind a$$ Florida Gators and that dark hair coach makes me nervous. And those skinny Tramp Miami
Dolphins. Whimps beatin us ?
HAH HAH HAH FLORIDA TOOK A WHIPPIN !
DOWN GO’S THE GATORS , DOWN GO’S THE GATOR !
I AM IN MIAMI FLA !! MY YEAR STARTING GREAT !!
KNAPP IS GONE AMD.WE ARE STARTING EVERYTHING.NEW !!
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Just to be clear, are some of you guys saying Pryor should start over Palmer going into the next season?
If he is, then it would mean he earned it and if that’s the case then it’s all good.
Way too small of a sample size at this point imo.
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No, the story since the Chargers game in this blog has been Zymurge and Dr Robert declaring Pryor a retard, and can’t admit he showed he is intelligent, can run an offense and be a leader, and generates scoring drives, is good enough a passer that he has ceiling to get even better.
And everyone else saying “you were wrong admit it, pryor can play”.
Them being unable to admit it, especially Dr Robert going on a 2 day insanity rant and anti-pryor campaign.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Nice job Louisville. Game is not even as close as the score.
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Which is unfortunate. I wanted it to be more humiliating.
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I know. Me too. But the Gators did lose. So that in itself is good enough.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:09 pm
“F” the SEC and their fans. Getting beat resoundingly by a “lowly” Big East school. LOL.
They act like they reside somewhere between CFB and the NFL. It’s nonsense. Most years it is the best conference in college football, I’ll give them that. But not by as much as some would make you think. I think the Big12 may be a better conference this year. Baylor and OK State annihilated their bowl opponents. Texas beat a highly regarded Ore St team. Texas Tech won its bowl game with an interim coach. A&M is arguably the most talented team in the country and it’s one year removed from the Big 12. And Oklahoma and K State are still to go.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Tood Marinovich and Jamarcus had better first career starts, and Billy Joe Hobert light it up his rookie year in the last game of the season.
Week 17 might be the most useless statistical reference point in all of sports.
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Week 17 of 2012 non performing teams is actually Week 1 of the 2013 preseason.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CP the last 4 years:
82 TDs & 63 INTs
That’s a fact!
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this year:
22 tds and 14 ints in 14 games. ur a moron.
________________________________
and a Total Quarterback Rating – 2012
#28 Carson Palmer 44.7
Right above
#29 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 40.9
For fun last QB is:
#36 Mark Sanchez, NYJ 23.4
Yeah that Palmer is real gamer. LOL.
Cut Palmer!
Roll with TP. I think he can do better. Hell i think i could do better. LOL
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u thinking he could do better seals the deal. he never will.
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TP do better? That’s not asking much…
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4k yards//22 tds? not in a million years.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
I hope someone will trade for McClain but Im just not sure anyone will, one reason being what he said about wanting to go to a “real team” and all that BS. Everyone knows we will release him sometime, no way he plays another down for the Raiders, its a damn shame they didn’t dump his biatch @ss after that. I was a supporter of his and had hopes he would turn it around this season, but after his poor play and then him talkin schit about the Raiders I just want to see him outta of here as soon as possible.
Who knows though, maybe some team will give us a late rounder for him, probably a 3-4 team with a strong locker room (team like the Ravens?) that think they can get out of him what his tape showed in college. Sometimes a change is whats best for both player and team and this could be one of those
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Palmer will be a one of the best backup QBs in the league next year.
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best joke of the night. that made me laugh. thanks.
oh wait, ur serious. poor guy.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:17 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
#19 passer of all time. period. u can’t argue it cuz it’s fact.
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GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
According to Dr. Nob’s list, TP is better than Plunkett and Joe Namath.
TP!!!!
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Checkmate to Dr Knob the “high school coach” lmfao
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stats don’t lie, liars lie
isn’t that right dr knob
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that’s right. liars like u.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Last year some blame not having enough time to find a coordinator as an excuse for hiring Knapp and and unexperienced Tarver.
What are we doing? You would think we would be the first team interviewing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:59 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
stats are for people who want objective criteria with no opinions. u would not do well in the business world.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
pryor sucks as a passer. and always will. end of story really.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
only FACT that matters:
pryor sucks as a passer. everything else is pointless.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
stats tell the truth. liars lie.
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WHAT A LOSER ↑
WHAT A LOSER ↓
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
**********
LOL! I played for the #3 team in the country. I’m a high school coach, defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
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LOL indeed
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keep laughing stooge. every post of mine shows real football knowledge. every post u make shows retardation.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:06 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Open competition for Raiders’ starting QB; Palmer, Pryor, Lechler
Palmer wins, Pryor #2, Lechler thirdstring after other two get injured leads us to sb championship.
—
Lechler is gone i think.
Maybe Marquette King will be the guy to lead us to the SB.
*********
well he is black, so u know he has missdick’s rabid support.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:20 pm
This may sound a little weird, but I wonder if King holding for Jano next year might throw off Jano’s timing.
Its the little details like that I believe DA tends to overlook….like a backup long snapper.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:21 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Just to be clear, are some of you guys saying Pryor should start over Palmer going into the next season?
If he is, then it would mean he earned it and if that’s the case then it’s all good.
Way too small of a sample size at this point imo.
======
No, the story since the Chargers game in this blog has been Zymurge and Dr Robert declaring Pryor a retard, and can’t admit he showed he is intelligent, can run an offense and be a leader, and generates scoring drives, is good enough a passer that he has ceiling to get even better.
And everyone else saying “you were wrong admit it, pryor can play”.
Them being unable to admit it, especially Dr Robert going on a 2 day insanity rant and anti-pryor campaign.
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bot, u really are a shameless liar. didn’t ur mom teach u better? oh, she was a hooker and gave u up? i see.
love the kid. has everything he needs. except that one kinda important thing for a qb. a good throwing arm. shucks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Week 17 might be the most useless statistical reference point in all of sports.
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Guys in useless games are more concerned with catching their after game flights to Cabo, and tee times than playing in the actual game. And Pryor still couldn’t do anything. That ain’t good.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:28 pm
i love so-called raider fans going on and on about horrible our qb is, just so they can rally behind the poor-throwing backup. this is loving ur team? what a bunch of sh!tty fans.
it’s been fun toying with u idiots and planting real knowledge in ur brains u will never forget.
as the season unfolds, and u realize that palmer is the qb, and pryor is very bad, u will remember the doctor told u so. and u will realize that football is not ur thing. inside, u will know u have been schooled. and i’ll be smiling, as usual, cuz i’m always right.
and when pryor becomes a wr, u will know i saw it miles ahead of u. and i will laugh, and u will hide like the cowards u are.
some of u get it, and that’s good. u have actual brains in ur head, and u don’t need me to tell u what u saw. but the clowns who want a good qb gone in favor of a wr playing qb, will know inside what frauds they are when they are rooting for palmer. it will make them sick a little to know what gutless liars they are when they pretend they always liked him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Basically implied that the reason Wiz Sr. left had everything to do with not getting along with Frank Pollack.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I knew it.
I’m done with DA. I think he should be fired too. He lacks experience, hired his friends, and the team regressed in every way except penalties.
Fire titty monkey!
^^^^^^^^^
It’s a waste of time with Tits DA being the head coach of this team.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 pm
\ dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
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u may be a bigger liar than priest. putting words in my mouth u know i never said. i never said it was everything. it’s nfl’s list, not mine. and i said pryor was very lucky not to get picked at least 5 or 6 times. his true rating would about 40.
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You sure do like to hear yourself talk. You’ve been in here all freaking day hating on people.
What a dumbass.
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u must like to read my posts.
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Not really. Just bored.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:32 pm
2. Carson Palmer, Oakland
Total QBR: 44.7
NFL rank: 29
Comment: Palmer might be preparing for his final season in Oakland.
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It looks like Palmer was near the bottom in QBR. He needs to play better next year, the whole damn team needs to play better also
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Anyone listen to Greg Papa on 95.7thegame?
Said Pryor is so horrible in practice that he was amazed in completed a pass at all. Said over and over he couldn’t hit a simple slant during practice, and wondered out loud if he was a total bust.
He did add he played better than he honestly thought he would, but wasn’t surprised with the 44% completion, saying he was surprised he even got that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
so much fun clowning liars and frauds. meanwhile, real fans with some sense, can look forward to reggie and allen grabbing some key components that could help our golden haired hero. a couple good O-linemen and a #1 wr would get this thing moving. the rest of the parts are in place. i have a feeling we may see dmc traded for mjd or mendenhall. it’s a great fit. jax is mad at mjd and mendenhall is out in pitt. they could feel it’s a no-risk trade since they want out from under those backs anyway. i can’t see reggie and allen being fooled. they know he struggled and they know a good back doesn’t rely on scheme. it’s all holes to run thru. media are just fans with passes. they read this board to get a feel for what fans are saying and they ask the coach.
2 OL
#1 WR
MLB
CB
those four positions filled thru draft and FA and we could be in the playoffs. no, i’m not kidding.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:30 pm
\ dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:18 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Dr Knob just exposed yet again.
Spent the better part of two full days trying to argue that that QB list is representative and substantial. Defending it as gospel.
Spent that whole time arguing Pryor is not a real NFL QB and never will be.
Pryor better QBR than Namath and Plunkett on that list.
Therefore Pryor WILL make it and is a genuine NFL QB, better than Namath and Plunkett, genuine NFL QBs.
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u may be a bigger liar than priest. putting words in my mouth u know i never said. i never said it was everything. it’s nfl’s list, not mine. and i said pryor was very lucky not to get picked at least 5 or 6 times. his true rating would about 40.
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You sure do like to hear yourself talk. You’ve been in here all freaking day hating on people.
What a dumbass.
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u must like to read my posts.
__________
Not really. Just bored.
***********
u may not like me but ur more informed when u read me. i’m good for u. just like class. sucks to have to go, but ur better off doing it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Anyone listen to Greg Papa on 95.7thegame?
Said Pryor is so horrible in practice that he was amazed in completed a pass at all. Said over and over he couldn’t hit a simple slant during practice, and wondered out loud if he was a total bust.
He did add he played better than he honestly thought he would, but wasn’t surprised with the 44% completion, saying he was surprised he even got that.
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Link?
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
If you really look at things, Dennis Allens remarks and actions reek of desperation. Quickly fire the coaches that YOU were responsible for hiring, so as to scape goat THEM for the bad season.
So lets see, so far, Dennis Allen has blamed 1) the players, and 2) several coaches for the bad season.
Yet, he has taken no responsibility for HIS OWN mistakes.
This guy knows he blew it.
Hopefully, Mark sees through this guy and is trying to make something happen as we speak.
Dont let Allens remarks about him looking forward to next season fool you. He doesnt have ANY sayso on whether he will be the coach next season.
Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman gone, but somehow, I dont feel that this story has ended. WAY too early in the offseason.
The national “Fire Dennis Allen” articles are just now starting to make their rounds. This is starting to heat up.
Dennis aint safe.
^^^^^^^^^
I hope he isn’t safe.
Tits DA is not the answer as HC of the Raiders and he will not lead this team to the playoffs.
It’s a waste of time with him as HC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Anyone listen to Greg Papa on 95.7thegame?
Said Pryor is so horrible in practice that he was amazed in completed a pass at all. Said over and over he couldn’t hit a simple slant during practice, and wondered out loud if he was a total bust.
He did add he played better than he honestly thought he would, but wasn’t surprised with the 44% completion, saying he was surprised he even got that.
************
and that’s the truth ruth!
just cuz people are saying they’re surprised he played as well as he did, a bunch of yahoos think that’s a big deal, and everyone is admitting he’s awesome.
when in reality, it’s saying they never thought he would play without embarrassing himself, and they’re pleasantly surprised he didn’t throw the ball into his own dick.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Dr rob and GG-
Take your childish exchanges to email, IM, or text.
Anywhere but here. You are infesting this board with your bad taste, and immaturity.
Don’t make me ban you. They don’t call me snitch for nothing, pootbutts.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:38 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
I hope someone will trade for McClain but Im just not sure anyone will, one reason being what he said about wanting to go to a “real team” and all that BS. Everyone knows we will release him sometime, no way he plays another down for the Raiders, its a damn shame they didn’t dump his biatch @ss after that.
========================================
Teams will want him, figuring “Raider dysfunction” is what ruined him. If even a handful of teams want him, that will drive his price up to maybe a 5th rounder. Possibly a 4th. what a great return for an overall 8.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:38 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:59 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:06 pm
stats are for people who want objective criteria with no opinions. u would not do well in the business world.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:14 pm
pryor sucks as a passer. and always will. end of story really.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:15 pm
only FACT that matters:
pryor sucks as a passer. everything else is pointless.
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:36 pm
stats tell the truth. liars lie.
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WHAT A LOSER ↑
WHAT A LOSER ↓
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dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr. Robert,
You are absolute moron. Go back to school to take a crash course on football which you know nothing about, each post makes you look foolish!
**********
LOL! I played for the #3 team in the country. I’m a high school coach, defensive coordinator/qb coach. LOL!!!
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LOL indeed
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO GG. That’s funny!
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Greg “Pompous” Papa is pompous azz sometimes.
He really is. Him and Lund are afraid to take phone calls on 95.7 The Game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
If you really look at things, Dennis Allens remarks and actions reek of desperation. Quickly fire the coaches that YOU were responsible for hiring, so as to scape goat THEM for the bad season.
So lets see, so far, Dennis Allen has blamed 1) the players, and 2) several coaches for the bad season.
Yet, he has taken no responsibility for HIS OWN mistakes.
This guy knows he blew it.
Hopefully, Mark sees through this guy and is trying to make something happen as we speak.
Dont let Allens remarks about him looking forward to next season fool you. He doesnt have ANY sayso on whether he will be the coach next season.
Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman gone, but somehow, I dont feel that this story has ended. WAY too early in the offseason.
The national “Fire Dennis Allen” articles are just now starting to make their rounds. This is starting to heat up.
Dennis aint safe.
^^^^^^^^^
I hope he isn’t safe.
Tits DA is not the answer as HC of the Raiders and he will not lead this team to the playoffs.
It’s a waste of time with him as HC.
************
and if we go 10-6 next year, u will conveniently forget u ever said it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Anyone listen to Greg Papa on 95.7thegame?
Said Pryor is so horrible in practice that he was amazed in completed a pass at all. Said over and over he couldn’t hit a simple slant during practice, and wondered out loud if he was a total bust.
He did add he played better than he honestly thought he would, but wasn’t surprised with the 44% completion, saying he was surprised he even got that.
************
and that’s the truth ruth!
just cuz people are saying they’re surprised he played as well as he did, a bunch of yahoos think that’s a big deal, and everyone is admitting he’s awesome.
when in reality, it’s saying they never thought he would play without embarrassing himself, and they’re pleasantly surprised he didn’t throw the ball into his own dick.
==============
Baddabing, baddaboop.
Some of his passes weren’t even in the same time zone. His reads were non-existent. No passes he threw had touch.
How is this not obvious?
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Dr rob and GG-
Take your childish exchanges to email, IM, or text.
Anywhere but here. You are infesting this board with your bad taste, and immaturity.
Don’t make me ban you. They don’t call me snitch for nothing, pootbutts.
*************
sullivan tried to have me banned for telling him his mom got fu@ked in the azz by al davis.
corkran loves me. i have the email correspondence to prove it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:38 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
I hope someone will trade for McClain but Im just not sure anyone will, one reason being what he said about wanting to go to a “real team” and all that BS. Everyone knows we will release him sometime, no way he plays another down for the Raiders, its a damn shame they didn’t dump his biatch @ss after that.
========================================
Teams will want him, figuring “Raider dysfunction” is what ruined him. If even a handful of teams want him, that will drive his price up to maybe a 5th rounder. Possibly a 4th. what a great return for an overall 8.
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we may get something for him. but i think a 6th is about it. a 7th would be fine.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
If you really look at things, Dennis Allens remarks and actions reek of desperation. Quickly fire the coaches that YOU were responsible for hiring, so as to scape goat THEM for the bad season.
So lets see, so far, Dennis Allen has blamed 1) the players, and 2) several coaches for the bad season.
Yet, he has taken no responsibility for HIS OWN mistakes.
This guy knows he blew it.
Hopefully, Mark sees through this guy and is trying to make something happen as we speak.
Dont let Allens remarks about him looking forward to next season fool you. He doesnt have ANY sayso on whether he will be the coach next season.
Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman gone, but somehow, I dont feel that this story has ended. WAY too early in the offseason.
The national “Fire Dennis Allen” articles are just now starting to make their rounds. This is starting to heat up.
Dennis aint safe.
^^^^^^^^^
I hope he isn’t safe.
Tits DA is not the answer as HC of the Raiders and he will not lead this team to the playoffs.
It’s a waste of time with him as HC.
************
and if we go 10-6 next year, u will conveniently forget u ever said it.
^^^^^^^^
Ohh..I won’t forget. I will give DA his props for proving me wrong. I would love to be proven wrong actually, because that means the Raiders will do better than they did this year.
DA has shown me nothing to make me think he can lead this team to the playoffs within 3 years.
Firing the scapegoats in Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman and the LB coach was job saving move by him…..period.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Greg “Pompous” Papa is pompous azz sometimes.
He really is. Him and Lund are afraid to take phone calls on 95.7 The Game.
************
priest says he called him but papa won’t take his call. funniest thing i ever heard.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
knight-Stop with the “I hope Mark does this” or “I hope Mark does that”.
You act like he’s an active owner. HE’s NOT.
He knows nothing of football. Why in the hell would you think someone who has not been involved with football in any way, is going to step in and overrule his GM who has not just been involved in football for 28 years, but has played in the league?
He won’t. he can’t. He wouldn’t know what to say.
You are a little slow on the uptake, aren’t you, Knight?
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
>>>
He’s a 100% solid tackler when he isnt being a moron and sticking his dick into the linemen for no reason or jumping the obviously wrong gap, and he is a very good blitzer.
He will be traded to a 3-4 team, I’m guessing a 6th rounder.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Greg “Pompous” Papa is pompous azz sometimes.
He really is. Him and Lund are afraid to take phone calls on 95.7 The Game.
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priest says he called him but papa won’t take his call. funniest thing i ever heard.
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Priest has a history of getting hung up on by radio hosts. On 1050 when Priest would call, you would hear background laughter, until they would say “Ok, priest, ok” and hang up on him, laughing.
You should have heard him when Russell was on the team? On and On and On how the team needed to do this, or that, all with this mush mouth drawl. Until they would interupt him in midsentence, and hang up on him, laughing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
knight-Stop with the “I hope Mark does this” or “I hope Mark does that”.
You act like he’s an active owner. HE’s NOT.
He knows nothing of football. Why in the hell would you think someone who has not been involved with football in any way, is going to step in and overrule his GM who has not just been involved in football for 28 years, but has played in the league?
He won’t. he can’t. He wouldn’t know what to say.
You are a little slow on the uptake, aren’t you, Knight?
^^^^^^^^^^
Don’t try and act like Davis is an inept owner. He is not his legendary meddling father, but trust me….Davis had a hand in forcing McK and Allen to fire Allens gargage clown posse of coaches.
The message was sent to DA that if he didn’t do it…he would be fired.
So who is a little slow on the uptake OLD man?
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
>>>
He’s a 100% solid tackler when he isnt being a moron and sticking his dick into the linemen for no reason or jumping the obviously wrong gap, and he is a very good blitzer.
He will be traded to a 3-4 team, I’m guessing a 6th rounder.
^^^^^^^^^
I can see that. He will go to a 3-4 like the Steelers, Baltimore, Pats or Pack and he will be much more serviceable.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
The message was sent to DA that if he didn’t do it…he would be fired.
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how could u possibly know this. ur stating it like it happened when it’s just ur imagination.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
>>>
He’s a 100% solid tackler when he isnt being a moron and sticking his dick into the linemen for no reason or jumping the obviously wrong gap, and he is a very good blitzer.
He will be traded to a 3-4 team, I’m guessing a 6th rounder.
^^^^^^^^^
I can see that. He will go to a 3-4 like the Steelers, Baltimore, Pats or Pack and he will be much more serviceable.
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he may go there but the green beanie will never do anything in this league. he’s a total idiot on the field.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:53 pm
McK without a doubt needs to find a trade partner and TRADE DOWN and get more picks.
When the trade down happens, he can still get DE/OLB like Dion Jordan, Te’o, J Jones or Star.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Why the fk does it have to be Palmer vs Pryor? Im a fan of both actually, Palmer needs to clean up somethings and Pryor just needs to keep grinding (like Norv said) and Im sure we will see some of Pryor in the redzone (you cannot be blind to the fact we actually scored in the redzone 3/3) he showed some good things.
Enough with all the hate, thats goes for both the Raiders QBs, it doesn’t have to be one or the other RIGHT NOW, but in 2014-2015 its probably goin to have to be
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 pm
GG already posted this bit from Chip Kelly, this is how you approach coaching, not the other way around:
“There’s a lot of ways to play football,” Kelly said.
“Trends go one way and the other. . . . Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system.
Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have.
The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
——————————————————
The 2012 Raiders, DA and Greg Knapp tried just the opposite and it got Knapp fired and Allen on what looks like a very short leash.
Yet some people in here keep telling us how the players screwed up our fantastic offensive game-plans, SMH.
Just go back a year, Carson Palmer’s last 3 games in 2011 were very good, once he was able to get in some kind of groove he finished the year averaging something like 350 ypg with 70 plus completion percentage and 5-2 TD-INT ratio, the WR unit saw DHB mature into a 60 catch 900 yard guy and the emergence of an all-rookie player with game-breaking skills in D. Moore, the ground game was fine and the OL led a top 10 rushing attack and was among the League leaders in sacks allowed.
What happened?.
You already know.
The offense was changed, we tinkered with the OL and screwed it up, the players never bought into the system and the young guys failed to take the next step in their development as nobody was comfortable with what they were asked to do, except for Myers.
I don’t know if Chip Kelly will make it in the NFL but at least he understands the most basic principle in coaching, as you can see from his remarks above.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:57 pm
reggie will likely do everything he can to accumulate picks, including trying to trade down.
plus, i see him potentially trading moore and bergstrom.
if he signs a #1 WR, moore is expendable due to streater. moore does have some cache and could get a 4th. bergstrom was drafted to take over for carlisle and has been a bit of a disappointment. now that the zbs is likely out, he could be a bad fit, similar to what barksdale was this year. someone who liked him in the draft may give us a 4th or 5th.
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:59 pm
moore dropped alot of passes this year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:01 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Dr rob and GG-
Take your childish exchanges to email, IM, or text.
Anywhere but here. You are infesting this board with your bad taste, and immaturity.
Don’t make me ban you. They don’t call me snitch for nothing, pootbutts.
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sullivan tried to have me banned for telling him his mom got fu@ked in the azz by al davis.
corkran loves me. i have the email correspondence to prove it.
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He calls me Winnie the Pootbutt, which I assume is a term of endearment.
Better than what he used to call me last year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Actually now that I think about it… McClain might do really really well in a specialized 3-4 position with no expectations or responsibilities. His tackle % is pretty high according to PFF.
A 4th rounder might not be out of order for him.
He is TOAST here though.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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his legs are. his arm isn’t. it doesn’t matter to me one bit what his stats were or how many td’s he accounted for. it’s a hoax. all that matters, is in my opinion, he will never throw a good nfl ball, and therefore all the coaching and hard work in the world won’t amount to anything. it’s a pretty dream. pryor running around like superman, making people miss like a video game, and miraculously having “worked” his way to also being a good passer. but this the real world. the kid throws poorly. those things don’t change. every good qb the league has ever seen comes into the league throwing pretty passes. or at least pretty good. accurate. touch. etc. the kid is a wr playing qb. it’s not ohio state. it’s the nfl. put ur hope and dreams on someone else. cuz this is a pipedream.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Warriors bich slapped the Clippers.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 pm
David Lee is the fkng truth!!! Warriors!
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Actually now that I think about it… McClain might do really really well in a specialized 3-4 position with no expectations or responsibilities. His tackle % is pretty high according to PFF.
A 4th rounder might not be out of order for him.
He is TOAST here though.
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my most despised raider since russell. one of the worst ever.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Actually now that I think about it… McClain might do really really well in a specialized 3-4 position with no expectations or responsibilities. His tackle % is pretty high according to PFF.
A 4th rounder might not be out of order for him.
He is TOAST here though.
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Now that you “think” about it?
Hint: Don’t think. Can only hurt you.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Two Florida defenders — S, Matt Elam and MLB, John Bostic — really stood out to me tonight. Those guys are EXTREMELY athletic, hit hard and play aggressively. Elam seems to be a late 1st rounder. I’m seeing Bostic projected as a possible 3rd rounder. He would be a great addition to our LB corps.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 pm
GG already posted this bit from Chip Kelly, this is how you approach coaching, not the other way around:
“There’s a lot of ways to play football,” Kelly said.
“Trends go one way and the other. . . . Any coach is going to learn from other people and see how they can implement it in their system.
Anything you do has to be personnel driven. You have to adapt to the personnel you have. There’s a lot of great offenses out there, but does it fit with the personnel you have.
The key is making sure what you’re doing is giving your people a chance to be successful.”
——————————————————
The 2012 Raiders, DA and Greg Knapp tried just the opposite and it got Knapp fired and Allen on what looks like a very short leash.
Yet some people in here keep telling us how the players screwed up our fantastic offensive game-plans, SMH.
Just go back a year, Carson Palmer’s last 3 games in 2011 were very good, once he was able to get in some kind of groove he finished the year averaging something like 350 ypg with 70 plus completion percentage and 5-2 TD-INT ratio, the WR unit saw DHB mature into a 60 catch 900 yard guy and the emergence of an all-rookie player with game-breaking skills in D. Moore, the ground game was fine and the OL led a top 10 rushing attack and was among the League leaders in sacks allowed.
What happened?.
You already know.
The offense was changed, we tinkered with the OL and screwed it up, the players never bought into the system and the young guys failed to take the next step in their development as nobody was comfortable with what they were asked to do, except for Myers.
I don’t know if Chip Kelly will make it in the NFL but at least he understands the most basic principle in coaching, as you can see from his remarks above.
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly. Chip Kelly gets it.
DA and Knapp screwed up and yes…DA is on a very short leash, hence why he was forced to fire his clown posse of azz backward coaches headed by Knapp that DA hired.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
The message was sent to DA that if he didn’t do it…he would be fired.
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You’re a liar.
You’re an idiot.
You’re full of schittt.
Not necessarity in that order, you ignorant puss.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:08 pm
I can see that. He will go to a 3-4 like the Steelers, Baltimore, Pats or Pack and he will be much more serviceable.
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he may go there but the green beanie will never do anything in this league. he’s a total idiot on the field.
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A team will be attracted to his tackle %.. all they have to do is limit his responsibilities.
He will be a serviceable LB in a limited 3-4 role IMO.
Thats worth a 4th rounder.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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i gotta tell u, i would love teo. he would change everything.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
>>>
He’s a 100% solid tackler when he isnt being a moron and sticking his dick into the linemen for no reason or jumping the obviously wrong gap, and he is a very good blitzer.
He will be traded to a 3-4 team, I’m guessing a 6th rounder.
^^^^^^^^^
I can see that. He will go to a 3-4 like the Steelers, Baltimore, Pats or Pack and he will be much more serviceable.
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he may go there but the green beanie will never do anything in this league. he’s a total idiot on the field.
^^^^^^^^
I said he may be serviceable in a 3-4 defense….I didn’t say he would become a star.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:11 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Why the fk does it have to be Palmer vs Pryor? Im a fan of both actually, Palmer needs to clean up somethings and Pryor just needs to keep grinding (like Norv said) and Im sure we will see some of Pryor in the redzone (you cannot be blind to the fact we actually scored in the redzone 3/3) he showed some good things.
Enough with all the hate, thats goes for both the Raiders QBs, it doesn’t have to be one or the other RIGHT NOW, but in 2014-2015 its probably goin to have to be
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Why Pryor vs Palmer?
Because Mistic is a backasswards racist POS.
See, he’s a hater. Very bitter little man who loves playing the race card.
Admitted that he gets a kick out of stirring the pot.
Most here support who ever is behind center.
Mistic and Priest support who ever is behind center, as long as he’s black.
Sad, no?
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Actually now that I think about it… McClain might do really really well in a specialized 3-4 position with no expectations or responsibilities. His tackle % is pretty high according to PFF.
A 4th rounder might not be out of order for him.
He is TOAST here though.
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Now that you “think” about it?
Hint: Don’t think. Can only hurt you.
>>>>
You, of all people, would know.
You and Mistic are the IQ vacuums.
As evidenced by my response here.
Time for sleep… poof
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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While I like Mantei Te’o, I don’t see us passing on Star Lotulelei or see Star going to the #12 spot. Star is definitely top 4 pick. Teo might slip to late teens.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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i gotta tell u, i would love teo. he would change everything.
^^^^^^^^^
He wouldn’t be a bad pick at all.
Would be the new QB, leader, captain and heart and soul of a rebuilt Raider defense.
God knows….this Raider team needs as many players like Te’o as they can get.
This draft does not have a lot of solid depth at the ILB’s/MIKE position, this draft does have plenty of OLB/DE pass rushing prospects though.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:16 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
knight-Stop with the “I hope Mark does this” or “I hope Mark does that”.
You act like he’s an active owner. HE’s NOT.
He knows nothing of football. Why in the hell would you think someone who has not been involved with football in any way, is going to step in and overrule his GM who has not just been involved in football for 28 years, but has played in the league?
He won’t. he can’t. He wouldn’t know what to say.
You are a little slow on the uptake, aren’t you, Knight?
^^^^^^^^^^
Don’t try and act like Davis is an inept owner. He is not his legendary meddling father, but trust me….Davis had a hand in forcing McK and Allen to fire Allens gargage clown posse of coaches.
The message was sent to DA that if he didn’t do it…he would be fired.
So who is a little slow on the uptake OLD man?
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LOL. You moron.
Again, YOU ARE A LIAR.
THERE IS NO MENTION ANYWHERE, FROM ANYONE, THAT MARK DAVIS TOLD REG ANYTHING OR THAT MARK DAVIS TOLD DA ANYTHING.
TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU dumbass.
You really think a conversation between an owner and head coach is OVERHEARD?
Again, schittt for brains, Mark Davis is an absent owner. He watches the games. wanders the halls. Gets his goofy hair combed, and that’s it.
Quit lying. Quit playing the stooge.
POST ONE LINK FROM ANYONE WHO’S NOT A FAN OR A REPORTER (who all admit they’ll post anything to get a response) regarding Mark Davis telling DA “do it or else”.
You won’t, BECAUSE YOU CAN’T. Dumbass
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:17 pm
The Texan’s right side of their O-line has been crap since they lost Brisel to us in FA. He hasn’t been worth a crap to us for lots of reasons. I wonder what the Texans would give us draft pick wise to get him back? They still think he’s the real deal.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 pm
I said he may be serviceable in a 3-4 defense….I didn’t say he would become a star.
>>>>
He might be OUTSTANDING in a 3-4 offense in only first and second down situations.
IF they can get him to quit habitually sticking his dick into a lineman for no reason, and jumping the wrong gap for no reason.
Questionable…
Someone will think he is worth a draft pick to find out if he is coach-able.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:20 pm
DA has a 4 year contract.
The team is not going to just hand over the remaining 19 million due DA.
Not going to happen.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:22 pm
JB Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
*********************
While I like Mantei Te’o, I don’t see us passing on Star Lotulelei or see Star going to the #12 spot. Star is definitely top 4 pick. Teo might slip to late teens.
^^^^^^^^^
Star is good, but most NT/DT drafted within the top 5 have been burnouts/buts and they just don’t make enough plays on a play in and play out basis.
Those big guys get tired very easily also.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Some people on this board have no brains. I saw some comments about Jim Plunkett not being very good. The guy won 2 Super Bowls for the Raiders, and he was a leader. Statistics are for losers. There is only one thing that matters in pro sports: Just win, baby! Have you seen Alex Smith’s QB rating? Who cares? The guy can’t win a big game. I’ll take a guy like Eli Manning any day over some of those losers on that dumb QB rating scale.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:44 pm
To anyone thinking we should trade McClain:
There is absolutely NO trade market for that guy. Who’s going to pay him $5 million to play for them, let alone give up a pick on top of that. He will be released and I would not be shocked if he fades into oblivion. He’ll sign somewhere, but quite possible he doesn’t make that team’s final cut.
>>>
He’s a 100% solid tackler when he isnt being a moron and sticking his dick into the linemen for no reason or jumping the obviously wrong gap, and he is a very good blitzer.
He will be traded to a 3-4 team, I’m guessing a 6th rounder.
^^^^^^^^^
I can see that. He will go to a 3-4 like the Steelers, Baltimore, Pats or Pack and he will be much more serviceable.
*************
he may go there but the green beanie will never do anything in this league. he’s a total idiot on the field.
^^^^^^^^
I said he may be serviceable in a 3-4 defense….I didn’t say he would become a star.
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well, i suppose if pryor has a chance to be a quality nfl qn, then the green beanie has an equal chance to be something more than a stooge.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
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You DIDN’T just show, as your example of good technique, that video??
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Let’s forget HE’S NOT EVEN IN PADS..he’s in shorts. Let’s forget he’s throwing to a single player WITH NO ONE DEFENDING THEM.
Let’s forget he’s throwing to a receiver where he has ZERO PRESSURE IN HIS FACE.
Let’s forget he has ZERO PRESSURE ON HIM.
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
Throwing motion is ugly.
You are a bonified head up ass moron.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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i gotta tell u, i would love teo. he would change everything.
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With high lst rounders it’s either no miss skill guys or better yet, bigger guys like Dline or Oline in my book. They make an interesting argument saying Teo with Burris and Wheeler would form a nice young LB crew. I still want a bigger player tho at that spot. I like Hankins from Ohio State.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
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pretty sure i caught a bit of a tell with allen. he said “there are rules to be followed”. i think he means he wants to talk to someone in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Some people on this board have no brains. I saw some comments about Jim Plunkett not being very good. The guy won 2 Super Bowls for the Raiders, and he was a leader. Statistics are for losers. There is only one thing that matters in pro sports: Just win, baby! Have you seen Alex Smith’s QB rating? Who cares? The guy can’t win a big game. I’ll take a guy like Eli Manning any day over some of those losers on that dumb QB rating scale.
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See?
Ask Beech.
Pryor sucks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:26 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
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pretty sure i caught a bit of a tell with allen. he said “there are rules to be followed”. i think he means he wants to talk to someone in the playoffs.
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He’s talking about where to park his MoPed. Parking rules, not hiring.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
JB Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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While I like Mantei Te’o, I don’t see us passing on Star Lotulelei or see Star going to the #12 spot. Star is definitely top 4 pick. Teo might slip to late teens.
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by all accounts, teo is a top pick. i watched star against usc. he made some fantastic plays, but he also did nothing on several. he’s supposedly a big deal though. but with bryant, bilukidi, and yes, kelly, i’m not sure we go after him. maybe though.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
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You don’t count.
You will never count.
Use your fingers and toes, and you still can’t count.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Dr. Rob says:
“sullivan tried to have me banned for telling him his mom got fu@ked in the azz by al davis.”
I’m sorry but THAT is friggin funny.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
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Happy feet.
Mumbled feet.
Choppy feet.
No technique at all.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:16 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
knight-Stop with the “I hope Mark does this” or “I hope Mark does that”.
You act like he’s an active owner. HE’s NOT.
He knows nothing of football. Why in the hell would you think someone who has not been involved with football in any way, is going to step in and overrule his GM who has not just been involved in football for 28 years, but has played in the league?
He won’t. he can’t. He wouldn’t know what to say.
You are a little slow on the uptake, aren’t you, Knight?
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Don’t try and act like Davis is an inept owner. He is not his legendary meddling father, but trust me….Davis had a hand in forcing McK and Allen to fire Allens gargage clown posse of coaches.
The message was sent to DA that if he didn’t do it…he would be fired.
So who is a little slow on the uptake OLD man?
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LOL. You moron.
Again, YOU ARE A LIAR.
THERE IS NO MENTION ANYWHERE, FROM ANYONE, THAT MARK DAVIS TOLD REG ANYTHING OR THAT MARK DAVIS TOLD DA ANYTHING.
TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, YOU dumbass.
You really think a conversation between an owner and head coach is OVERHEARD?
Again, schittt for brains, Mark Davis is an absent owner. He watches the games. wanders the halls. Gets his goofy hair combed, and that’s it.
Quit lying. Quit playing the stooge.
POST ONE LINK FROM ANYONE WHO’S NOT A FAN OR A REPORTER (who all admit they’ll post anything to get a response) regarding Mark Davis telling DA “do it or else”.
You won’t, BECAUSE YOU CAN’T. Dumbass
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Did I say Davis told DA to fire his lame azz coaches he hired or he would be fired?
From what I understand, Davis and McK talked about what needs to be done and who needs to go…and if DA refused, then he would be sacked as well.
DA fired the coaches that Davis and McK wanted gone.
Davis and McK also listened to what most reasonable Raider fans had to say on this.
You can believe that or not….I don’t give a crap either way idiot.
Davis is McK’s boss…didn’t you know that MORON?
Or is that over your head?
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Gdog Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:18 pm
I said he may be serviceable in a 3-4 defense….I didn’t say he would become a star.
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He might be OUTSTANDING in a 3-4 offense in only first and second down situations.
IF they can get him to quit habitually sticking his dick into a lineman for no reason, and jumping the wrong gap for no reason.
Questionable…
Someone will think he is worth a draft pick to find out if he is coach-able.
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he has been outstanding. or out standing…and watching. he sucks.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:30 pm
KK, I am not saying Pryor is bad. It is crazy to compare his one start to Jim Plunkett. And Carson Palmer has never won with Cincy or Oakland. He does not show me that he has Championship character. I call ‘em like I see ‘em. We gave up a heck of a lot for a slightly better than average QB.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:31 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
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EVERYONE including pryor knows he hass poor technique. ur just too football dumb to be involved in this conversation. ur like a toddler up past his bedtime who wants to play poker with the adults. go to bed kid.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:31 pm
JB Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
http://www.drafttek.com/2013-NFL-Mock-Draft-Round1.asp
^^^^^^
Interesting updated mock.
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While I like Mantei Te’o, I don’t see us passing on Star Lotulelei or see Star going to the #12 spot. Star is definitely top 4 pick. Teo might slip to late teens.
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Star is good, but most NT/DT drafted within the top 5 have been burnouts/buts and they just don’t make enough plays on a play in and play out basis.
Those big guys get tired very easily also.
Defense will rally around a leader like Te’o, not necessarily for a NT like Star, who maybe off the field on most 3rd downs.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:32 pm
A lot of BAD INTs by Carson Palmer. There is no excuses for him, KK. He is just not an elite QB.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
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You DIDN’T just show, as your example of good technique, that video??
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Let’s forget HE’S NOT EVEN IN PADS..he’s in shorts. Let’s forget he’s throwing to a single player WITH NO ONE DEFENDING THEM.
Let’s forget he’s throwing to a receiver where he has ZERO PRESSURE IN HIS FACE.
Let’s forget he has ZERO PRESSURE ON HIM.
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
Throwing motion is ugly.
You are a bonified head up ass moron.
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Oh STFU, you try and make it like he throws like Tebow or something. Hey even if that is your view Rivers throwing motion is not pretty but he gets it done.
TP got it done on Sunday 3 TD’s is all the matters.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Some people on this board have no brains. I saw some comments about Jim Plunkett not being very good. The guy won 2 Super Bowls for the Raiders, and he was a leader. Statistics are for losers. There is only one thing that matters in pro sports: Just win, baby! Have you seen Alex Smith’s QB rating? Who cares? The guy can’t win a big game. I’ll take a guy like Eli Manning any day over some of those losers on that dumb QB rating scale.
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he won 2 super bowls and isn’t in the hall of fame. do u know why? i love the guy but he was pizz poor for most of his career. it’s a fact and everyone knows it. he was a qb who got kinda hot on a really good team. that’s it.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Honestly, I’m amazed.
Hasn’t anyone here ever played pickup game of football?
Or football in high school, or college?
SOME OF YOU ACT AMAZED THAT A PERSON WHO PRACTICE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY, THROWING A FOOTBALL, COMPLETES A FEW PASSES.
Look at that video the idiot posted a link to above. I guarantee you I could make most of those throws. SO COULD YOU. No pressure? No defenders? Playing catch?
HELL, GO TO THE STADIUM ON ANY GAME DAY, and watch people playing catch.
It’s not a big deal to throw a football to someone running a route. It’s really not.
44% completion, in the NFL? Not good. Not at all.
Even those trying out for a position know that number will get them benched, then released.
Why do some of you act all surprised that a qb hits a wide open receiver??
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:35 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
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pretty sure i caught a bit of a tell with allen. he said “there are rules to be followed”. i think he means he wants to talk to someone in the playoffs.
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This brings up an interesting thought.
Everyone talks about how “no coach worth anything would ever come to this mess in Oakland”. Well, it’s been said many times that coaches around the league always speak glowingly of DA and what a great coach he is and how lucky we are to have him… etc. Well if that’s true then wouldn’t it stand to reason there would be quality coaches that might wanna work with him again? Maybe someone from New Orleans, Atlanta or Denver? Maybe one of those coaches who say how much they admire him.
I’m a little slow sometimes, but I hadn’t really thought of that aspect till just now.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:36 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
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You DIDN’T just show, as your example of good technique, that video??
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Let’s forget HE’S NOT EVEN IN PADS..he’s in shorts. Let’s forget he’s throwing to a single player WITH NO ONE DEFENDING THEM.
Let’s forget he’s throwing to a receiver where he has ZERO PRESSURE IN HIS FACE.
Let’s forget he has ZERO PRESSURE ON HIM.
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
Throwing motion is ugly.
You are a bonified head up ass moron.
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Oh STFU, you try and make it like he throws like Tebow or something. Hey even if that is your view Rivers throwing motion is not pretty but he gets it done.
TP got it done on Sunday 3 TD’s is all the matters.
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See my post above, you dumbass.
NO DEFENSE. NO PRESSURE. NOTHING…he played catch. Big damn deal.
Even you, wearing a dress and that ugly handbag, can complete simple throws to someone not defended.
You obviously have NEVER THROWN A FOOTBALL.
Most chunky woman haven’t, so don’t feel bad.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
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LOL, you guys talking about “foot work”. You don’t know Sh*t
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:35 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
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pretty sure i caught a bit of a tell with allen. he said “there are rules to be followed”. i think he means he wants to talk to someone in the playoffs.
—
This brings up an interesting thought.
Everyone talks about how “no coach worth anything would ever come to this mess in Oakland”. Well, it’s been said many times that coaches around the league always speak glowingly of DA and what a great coach he is and how lucky we are to have him… etc. Well if that’s true then wouldn’t it stand to reason there would be quality coaches that might wanna work with him again? Maybe someone from New Orleans, Atlanta or Denver? Maybe one of those coaches who say how much they admire him.
I’m a little slow sometimes, but I hadn’t really thought of that aspect till just now.
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That was when Al was alive, that no quality HC wanted anything to do with OAK.
They knew Al would butt in. Knew he would overrule the. Saw it first hand, year after year.
Al is gone.
And so is that stigma.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:40 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
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LOL, you guys talking about “foot work”. You don’t know Sh*t
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You just posted a vid of a qb playing catch.
And you acted all excited, like it was a big deal.
Admit it. You’re jazzed Mom is letting you stay up late, aren’t you?
That will change soon enough when school starts after holiday vacation.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:41 pm
TP6 is simply not ready for prime time starting. It is interesting to note that 3 trips to the red zone resulted in 3 TD’s. That’s a better track record than CP3 can report on this year. Not all of that was on CP3 but nonetheless, 3 for 3 is notable. Give TP6 increased responsibility and reps for the next 2-3 years along with CP3 mentor-ship and we may just have the franchise QB we have been looking for. TP6 seems to have a good work ethic and great attitude. He’s also proven he can learn & grow, Combine that with OJT and we may be in better shape than we thought. At a minimum, Leinart is no longer required.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Well, the real KoolKell should be by soon with his one sentence wonders, all designed to get attention.
Attention whores do that.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
yes it is crazy to look at his only start in 2 years compared to Palmer and his inability to move our Team past a 1st and Goal in how many quarters how long was it since we had a Rushing TD? Thats what this is all about performance period not worship or heros just roll your dam sleeves up and do your job! In Palmer we have not seen it in the two years he’s been here! Heard a lot about it but never seen it! Only had two years to show us Pryor waited two years to get a chance.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:40 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
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LOL, you guys talking about “foot work”. You don’t know Sh*t
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You just posted a vid of a qb playing catch.
And you acted all excited, like it was a big deal.
Admit it. You’re jazzed Mom is letting you stay up late, aren’t you?
That will change soon enough when school starts after holiday vacation.
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Hey Tool you were talking about his throwing motion like it was Tebow or something. That’s what the video is for. Keep over exaggerating and hating
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Can get solid rotational guys and potential starters like DT’s/NT’s like Everett Dawkins from Flor St, Josh Boyd from Miss St, Kwann Short from Purdue, Anthony McCloud from Flor St or Chris Jones from Bowling Green in Rounds 4 or 5.
Get the new QB, captain and heart and soul of the defense in the LB Te’o with that first pick.
Then look to add the DE/OLB pass rusher like Brandon Jenkins from Flor St, Devin Taylor from South Carolina, Ezekial Ansah from BYU, or James Gayle from V Tech in Round 3, unless they trade down from that 1st pick of course.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Palmer will be a one of the best backup QBs in the league next year.
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best joke of the night. that made me laugh. thanks.
oh wait, ur serious. poor guy.
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I actually just said the to bug you a bit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
I really thought this past season was THE ONE where Palmer was gonna show the world he was “elite”.
Becuz i’m a Raider fan and i want my team to win first and foremost, AND Palmer is going to be our QB, i’m hoping that Palmer will look at this season as THE season to make his mark; IF he’s really gonna make one.
It’s getting late for him if he wants to leave a legacy. I think he realizes that and I hope it lights a fire under him to play like the elite QB he says he is.
He DID NOT this past yr. He had a ton of drops and virtually no help with receivers, but Palmer is not the superman that can overcome a bad team. I don’t know how many that can. There are a few I guess.
Anyway, I think he’ll look at this yr. as his last chance to make a mark.
If you are a Raider fan, you better root for him too cuz i don’t think there’s any doubt that he’s our guy in 2013. Like it or not.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith are both out there for the taking and Reggie Mc elects to roll with that pathetic idiots Dennis Allen (the worse coach in Raiders history).
FIRE REGGIE MC, the dude is clueless.
Chip Kelly could and would work wonders with TP. The teams offense would immediately recover. TP, DMac, Reese, Ausberry (in 2 TE sets). Ford in the slot and running reverses. So much team speed and weapons being properly utilized. Wow aas a fan we can only dream. Mark Davis is a weak imbecile. He should’ve forced Reggie Mcs hand and made him fire DA(the career killer). DA has no ability to lead or maximize talent. He’s in way over his head with a zero track record of success.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
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he’s absolutely a leader. everyone in the org says so, including pryor. more baseless “opinions” with no credibility.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Raiderlization Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
yes it is crazy to look at his only start in 2 years compared to Palmer and his inability to move our Team past a 1st and Goal in how many quarters how long was it since we had a Rushing TD? Thats what this is all about performance period not worship or heros just roll your dam sleeves up and do your job! In Palmer we have not seen it in the two years he’s been here! Heard a lot about it but never seen it! Only had two years to show us Pryor waited two years to get a chance.
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TP:
First rushing TD in 11 weeks
First pass TD in 4 weeks
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:26 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
no interviews lined up? no names rumored or connected with the oc job yet?
c’mon already!!!
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pretty sure i caught a bit of a tell with allen. he said “there are rules to be followed”. i think he means he wants to talk to someone in the playoffs.
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He’s talking about where to park his MoPed. Parking rules, not hiring.
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ok that was funny.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Would have been nice to see CP play a full season under Hue’s offense and with a balanced running game behind him until DA hired one of the worst OC coaches ever in Greg Knapp to ruin everything.
Let’s what CP does with a legit running game behind him to balance things out and where he is not forced to try and do it all.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
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he’s absolutely a leader. everyone in the org says so, including pryor. more baseless “opinions” with no credibility.
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Palmer is a leader in throwing critical pic 6’s to lose games. He is a leader at being a LOSER just like Tony Romo. Actually worse than Tony Romo.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:50 pm
CP3 is probably the best thing that has happened to TP6. Under CP3’s tutelage, TP6 will become all he can be. It will take 2-3 years but after that, look out.
Consider TP6 like a fine wine and not serve it before it’s correct time.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Dr_Robert, you don’t understand the difference between winners and losers. You don’t get it. Plunkett had no protection until he joined the Raiders. Naturally, he would look bad for most of his career. And Palmer? The organization is so smart, huh? We have a joke of an organization 10 years and counting.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:32 pm
A lot of BAD INTs by Carson Palmer. There is no excuses for him, KK. He is just not an elite QB.
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wait till u get a load of pryor in a full season. 35 int’s? entirely possible.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith are both out there for the taking and Reggie Mc elects to roll with that pathetic idiots Dennis Allen (the worse coach in Raiders history).
FIRE REGGIE MC, the dude is clueless.
Chip Kelly could and would work wonders with TP. The teams offense would immediately recover. TP, DMac, Reese, Ausberry (in 2 TE sets). Ford in the slot and running reverses. So much team speed and weapons being properly utilized. Wow aas a fan we can only dream. Mark Davis is a weak imbecile. He should’ve forced Reggie Mcs hand and made him fire DA(the career killer). DA has no ability to lead or maximize talent. He’s in way over his head with a zero track record of success.
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Agreed, but I doubt it happens.
Just gotta hope Chubby McK and Tits DA hire a LEGIT OC that will maximize the talent on offense and bring back the power running game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Anyone listen to Greg Papa on 95.7thegame?
Said Pryor is so horrible in practice that he was amazed in completed a pass at all. Said over and over he couldn’t hit a simple slant during practice, and wondered out loud if he was a total bust.
He did add he played better than he honestly thought he would, but wasn’t surprised with the 44% completion, saying he was surprised he even got that.
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and that’s the truth ruth!
just cuz people are saying they’re surprised he played as well as he did, a bunch of yahoos think that’s a big deal, and everyone is admitting he’s awesome.
when in reality, it’s saying they never thought he would play without embarrassing himself, and they’re pleasantly surprised he didn’t throw the ball into his own dick.
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That’s a fabrication. Pappa would never say that about Pryor. When Pryor is the QB, Pappa will be sayin: TOUCHDOOWWNNNNNNN
RRRAAAIIIDDEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSS!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:53 pm
McK can get solid rotational guys and potential starters like DT’s/NT’s Everett Dawkins from Flor St, Josh Boyd from Miss St, Kwann Short from Purdue, Anthony McCloud from Flor St or Chris Jones from Bowling Green in Rounds 4 or 5.
Get the new QB, captain and heart and soul of the defense in the LB Te’o with that first pick.
Then look to add the DE/OLB pass rusher like Brandon Jenkins from Flor St, Devin Taylor from South Carolina, Ezekial Ansah from BYU, or James Gayle from V Tech in Round 3, unless they trade down from that 1st pick of course.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:24 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:04 pm
gangosix Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
yes Pryor missed some open recievers and threw rainbows,but give him a break,it was his first nfl start.and didnt he score three td’s on his first start? just saying maybe his legs are worth somthing special.I think he can be a solid contributor.
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Legs? He’s not a runway model. He’s an NFL qb.
It’s not his decisions, which everyone knows is suspect, it’s his technique. It’s horrible. He just shouldn’t be throwing the ball at all.
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You are talking out of your ass. Technique?? Just stop it.
Terrelle Pryor Pre-Draft Workout with Chad Ochocinco and Antonio Brown
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvLqV7tmZDs
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You DIDN’T just show, as your example of good technique, that video??
ARE YOU KIDDING ME??
Let’s forget HE’S NOT EVEN IN PADS..he’s in shorts. Let’s forget he’s throwing to a single player WITH NO ONE DEFENDING THEM.
Let’s forget he’s throwing to a receiver where he has ZERO PRESSURE IN HIS FACE.
Let’s forget he has ZERO PRESSURE ON HIM.
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
Throwing motion is ugly.
You are a bonified head up ass moron.
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Oh STFU, you try and make it like he throws like Tebow or something. Hey even if that is your view Rivers throwing motion is not pretty but he gets it done.
TP got it done on Sunday 3 TD’s is all the matters.
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it’s not even close to what matters. let me see if i can make it more clear. if he played more games, he would suck way more often than “scoring 3 td’s”. his passing is awful. over time, he would be a complete train wreck. the fact u didn’t see that on sunday shows u have no clue about the game. u can’t tell who is good and who isn’t, u don’t get the game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Hey, IF Palmer is really all washed up like a few of u are saying…and u really think Pryor is a better option as starter, then Pryor will beat him out for the gig at camp and in preseason.
IF Pryor does that…he will have earned it and any true Raider fan is gonna be behind him to succeed.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
The hate on Pryor is astounding. Give the kid a break. Life has more to offer. Like Louisville b1tch slapping the Gators.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
It would be really moronic trying to build an offense around a mistake prone, over the hill QB, when the team has a guy like TP who has a history of getting better the more he plays. He also hates losing, while for CP thats the norm.
You can’t build around a 33 yr old. Guys like CP are better served playing for a potential playoff team looking for a short term QB (Jets, Arizona, Bears, Lions).
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:55 pm
CP3 = ordinary NFL QB. But what do you expect when he’s got a lame OC, WR’s who can’t run crisp patterns or catch, a porous O-line poorly coached & populated with 1 retiree, 1 back-up level player and an overated RG, and no running game? No QB would look worth a schit with those anchors. I suspect with the recent changes, CP3 will look dramatically improved next year.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Im sorry but Hue let DMAC and the rest pull the wool over his eye’s on injuries! I think he will be ready , He would have been ready! Bull! Hue was talking too much about his fingernails and pedicures! whiped coffee exct. Started acting like he was Al! Oh I know what we talked about! We didn’t need the last man (in his mind) that supposedly spoke to AL! Please!
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:56 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Horrible footwork. Absolutely horrible.
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That’s what I saw on Sunday. I don’t think I have ever seen worse footwork in the league than Pryor on Sunday honestly.
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LOL, you guys talking about “foot work”. You don’t know Sh*t
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i’m a high school qb coach. i know a little bit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Hey, IF Palmer is really all washed up like a few of u are saying…and u really think Pryor is a better option as starter, then Pryor will beat him out for the gig at camp and in preseason.
IF Pryor does that…he will have earned it and any true Raider fan is gonna be behind him to succeed.
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You know all the hating going on makes me even want to pull for him even more. I know you get it. You see it like it is. But all the hating only hurts the hater. I want Palmer to succeed and I want Pryor to succeed.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Palmer is our # 1 QB and Pryor is # 2. I would not draft a QB in 2013. Save that for 2014, IF Pryor does not develop into a pro.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:58 pm
#1193; We all know DA is far to stupid to give TP a legit shot at the starting job. If the Raiders had a REAL coach, I’d be willing to bet TP would easily take the job from CP3.
That imbecile DA had to be FORCED to let TP play one game.
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:58 pm
i’m a high school qb coach. i know a little bit.
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You’ve told us that a lot. I hope you treat your players with dignity.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:00 pm
JB Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:55 pm
CP3 = ordinary NFL QB. But what do you expect when he’s got a lame OC, WR’s who can’t run crisp patterns or catch, a porous O-line poorly coached & populated with 1 retiree, 1 back-up level player and an overated RG, and no running game? No QB would look worth a schit with those anchors. I suspect with the recent changes, CP3 will look dramatically improved next year.
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CP showed a lot of promise under Hue.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:00 pm
1171,
Right. That’s what I mean. If DA is as well thought of around the league then we shouldn’t have trouble getting a very solid OC to come to work with him.
With that, and the fact Al is gone, there should be no reason a good OC wouldn’t wanna work with the “well admired and respected around the league” Dennis Allen.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Hey, IF Palmer is really all washed up like a few of u are saying…and u really think Pryor is a better option as starter, then Pryor will beat him out for the gig at camp and in preseason.
IF Pryor does that…he will have earned it and any true Raider fan is gonna be behind him to succeed.
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Heres what will happen: Palmer will start the season be mediocre, throw INT’s, and suck. Everybody will be calling for TP to play. THIS WILL HAPPEN. I think it is better idea just to avoid this and go with TP. No need to waste time. They already wasted a season. Bring in a decent OC who can use TP correctly. Makes more sense to “build” on TP than Palmer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Dr. Robert; you’re a liar. Commander McLie. You’ve been a doctor, an educator,successful business owner and a few others I can’t remember, now you’re a coach.
It appears you’re actually a know nothing lunatic who lies like a rug while offering some of the dumbest opinions on this blog.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:02 pm
there’s a great, underrated movie from mike judge called “idiocracy”. hilarious. i feel like i’m in that movie.
Pvt. Joe Bowers: What *are* these electrolytes? Do you even know?
Secretary of State: They’re… what they use to make Brawndo!
Pvt. Joe Bowers: But *why* do they use them to make Brawndo?
Secretary of Defense: [raises hand after a pause] Because Brawndo’s got electrolytes.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:03 pm
1204. We all hope that is true. Trust me, we need a legit OC.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RediaR Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Palmer will be a one of the best backup QBs in the league next year.
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best joke of the night. that made me laugh. thanks.
oh wait, ur serious. poor guy.
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I actually just said the to bug you a bit.
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and it worked!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Dr. Robert; you’re a liar. Commander McLie. You’ve been a doctor, an educator,successful business owner and a few others I can’t remember, now you’re a coach.
It appears you’re actually a know nothing lunatic who lies like a rug while offering some of the dumbest opinions on this blog.
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TRUTH
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:05 pm
like I said, it would have been nice to see CP play a full season under Hue’s offense and with a balanced running game behind him until DA hired one of the worst OC coaches ever in Greg Knapp to ruin everything.
Let’s what CP does with a legit running game behind him to balance things out and where he is not forced to try and do it all.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:05 pm
I want BOTH CP3 & TP6 to be successful & I think they will be just that. CP3 will be much better next year for all the reasons identified in # 1196. Those problem areas are being addressed. TP6 is very young and is growing & learning every day. CP3 is responsible for much of that growth. With CP3’s continued mentoring over the next 2-3 years, TP6 will flourish and become all he can be. Just give him the necessary time to mature.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Raiderlization Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
yes it is crazy to look at his only start in 2 years compared to Palmer and his inability to move our Team past a 1st and Goal in how many quarters how long was it since we had a Rushing TD? Thats what this is all about performance period not worship or heros just roll your dam sleeves up and do your job! In Palmer we have not seen it in the two years he’s been here! Heard a lot about it but never seen it! Only had two years to show us Pryor waited two years to get a chance.
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TP:
First rushing TD in 11 weeks
First pass TD in 4 weeks
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46% 70.8 rating. lucky rainbow duck that fell into moore’s hands. dhb pushed off for the other one. u don’t a good or bad qb when u see one. it’s hilarious. all u know is “3 td’s”. like some retarded guy pushing carts. “pwya scowed twee tutzdownz!”
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
1206. A little harsh, but I am interested in how he is a QB coach if he thinks Jim Plunkett was a worse QB than Carson Palmer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
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he’s absolutely a leader. everyone in the org says so, including pryor. more baseless “opinions” with no credibility.
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Palmer is a leader in throwing critical pic 6’s to lose games. He is a leader at being a LOSER just like Tony Romo. Actually worse than Tony Romo.
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how many actual gm’s would take pryor over romo or palmer? this should be fun.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:05 pm
like I said, it would have been nice to see CP play a full season under Hue’s offense and with a balanced running game behind him until DA hired one of the worst OC coaches ever in Greg Knapp to ruin everything.
Let’s what CP does with a legit running game behind him to balance things out and where he is not forced to try and do it all.
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Word.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
1st career start..
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Newton’s two best starts were his two first. Then the league got film on him. He’s still tough to defend and a good enough pocket passer to stay decent so long as he’s still a bigger threat with his feet. But he’s not surprising anyone with his passing any more hence only a handful of 300 yard games since.
That does not bode well for Pryor because he’s not as good of a passer as Newton and not as smart to make the mental adjustments after the league has film to review.
3 TDs will be his pinnacle. That’s only one short of Al bundy’s great high school game! Enjoy it the entire offseason supporters.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Dr_Robert, you don’t understand the difference between winners and losers. You don’t get it. Plunkett had no protection until he joined the Raiders. Naturally, he would look bad for most of his career. And Palmer? The organization is so smart, huh? We have a joke of an organization 10 years and counting.
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u never watched plunkett play did u? he was constantly losing his job to marc wislon.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Dr_Robert, you don’t understand the difference between winners and losers. You don’t get it. Plunkett had no protection until he joined the Raiders. Naturally, he would look bad for most of his career. And Palmer? The organization is so smart, huh? We have a joke of an organization 10 years and counting.
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i’ve been a player and a coach of champions and undefeated teams. i know a bit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:05 pm
like I said, it would have been nice to see CP play a full season under Hue’s offense and with a balanced running game behind him until DA hired one of the worst OC coaches ever in Greg Knapp to ruin everything.
Let’s what CP does with a legit running game behind him to balance things out and where he is not forced to try and do it all.
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Word.
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Plus a few more non-Al drafted WRs that can catch the ball. 5 of Palmer’s 14 ints bounced out of the hands of Al picked WRs in 2013. 5 of 14. That’s 36%.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Also, beyond Al, I hear some saying no decent coach would wanna come here regardless becuz of how bad we are, but that doesn’t make sense becuz the only openings that come about in the league are due to a previous coach being fired becuz the team is so bad in the first place. Teams normally don’t fire coaches becuz the team is doing so well; they do it cuz their team is LOSING.
So in that respect isn’t almost EVERY COACH no matter how big a name coming into a “bad situation”? Or at least a losing one?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Er, in 2012. I’m not predicting the future.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
I saw Jim Plunkett all of his years as a Raider. He led the team to 2 Super Bowl victories. You are an idiot. Plunkett may have been hurt. He did not constantly lose his job to the loser, Marc Wilson.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
The hate on Pryor is astounding. Give the kid a break. Life has more to offer. Like Louisville b1tch slapping the Gators.
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i don’t hate pryor. i like him a lot. but he’s a sh!tty passer.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RaidO Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
And yes, our Carson Palmer fits in that category of losers. He is not a leader, and I am very disappointed that we gave up 2 big draft picks for him.
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he’s absolutely a leader. everyone in the org says so, including pryor. more baseless “opinions” with no credibility.
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Palmer is a leader in throwing critical pic 6’s to lose games. He is a leader at being a LOSER just like Tony Romo. Actually worse than Tony Romo.
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how many actual gm’s would take pryor over romo or palmer? this should be fun.
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Are you accounting for the fact that 90% of the poster here think that they are qualified to play GM? Or do you actually mean “actual” above?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Player and a coach of champions of what?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Beach…
You misunderstood the plunkett thing.
Dr Idiot was going on about how his QB Rating list was gospel. That stats don’t lie.
Meanwhile he was saying Pryor is not an NFL-caliber QB.
So, we showed up his flawed logic by showing him that Pryor has a better QB Rating higher than Namath and Plunkett.
In other words, Dr Idiot gave himself a wedgie. Either his QB Rating list is gospel, and therefore he can’t be hating Pryor. Or his QB Rating list isn’t gospel and Palmer isn’t as good as the list puts him at #19 overall.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
It would be really moronic trying to build an offense around a mistake prone, over the hill QB, when the team has a guy like TP who has a history of getting better the more he plays. He also hates losing, while for CP thats the norm.
You can’t build around a 33 yr old. Guys like CP are better served playing for a potential playoff team looking for a short term QB (Jets, Arizona, Bears, Lions).
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the more moronic thing would be building around a super athletic, really motivated, hard working qb that can’t throw well and never will. now that’s moronic.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:00 pm
1171,
Right. That’s what I mean. If DA is as well thought of around the league then we shouldn’t have trouble getting a very solid OC to come to work with him.
With that, and the fact Al is gone, there should be no reason a good OC wouldn’t wanna work with the “well admired and respected around the league” Dennis Allen.
^^^^^^^^
Good one!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 10:58 pm
i’m a high school qb coach. i know a little bit.
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You’ve told us that a lot. I hope you treat your players with dignity.
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of course i do. they love me. their parents too.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:15 pm
When is comes to this years draft philosophy, McK can get solid rotational guys and potential starters like DT’s/NT’s Everett Dawkins from Flor St, Josh Boyd from Miss St, Kwann Short from Purdue, Anthony McCloud from Flor St or Chris Jones from Bowling Green in Rounds 4 or 5.
That’s if he wants the new QB, captain and heart and soul of the defense in the LB Te’o with that first pick.
Then he can look to add the DE/OLB pass rusher like Brandon Jenkins from Flor St, Devin Taylor from South Carolina, Ezekial Ansah from BYU, or James Gayle from V Tech in Round 3, unless they trade down from that 1st pick of course.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:17 pm
SUP GOOB
As yawl kno the Dawg is nursing some sore nads after a pit bull liked the smell of my pube jell. So while the doctor was at it, I had him ‘modify’ my balls. You kno the Dawg is gonna be a big hit at them beeech volleyball parties. I’ll be back with some new and improved stories when I fully recover. Might even see them on the cover of GQ. Smoothe balls go hire. That is just how I roll.
HOLLA BACK AT YA. WHUT
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Dr. Robert; you’re a liar. Commander McLie. You’ve been a doctor, an educator,successful business owner and a few others I can’t remember, now you’re a coach.
It appears you’re actually a know nothing lunatic who lies like a rug while offering some of the dumbest opinions on this blog.
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who’s lying punk b1tch? i’ve said i’m a doctor like pepper, dre, and and detroit. it’s a shoutout to the beatles knucklehead.
who the fu@k said i was an educator? i do own my own business, and am a coach. my posts are stocked with the closest thing to nfl knowledge this blog sees. if u understood that, u might learn something.
lying coward b1tch.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
GG, I hope I made myself clear. I love Plunkett and he was a winner, and a definite leader. Great QBs can look bad for 3 qtrs, and then win in the end when it counts. Tony Romo is the opposite. He is a loser. I want Carson to do well, but he is not a leader. It is too early to say much about TP. He looked way better than Greg Papa said he would, but his passes were pretty ugly.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:19 pm
BIG SILKY SMOOTHE BALLS FO HIRE. HOLLA
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Beeech Dawg, Tell us about the loser Lakers and that goon they have for a Center, Dwight Howard? The Lakers are history. The Golden State Warriors are rising like the sun!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
GG, I hope I made myself clear. I love Plunkett and he was a winner, and a definite leader. Great QBs can look bad for 3 qtrs, and then win in the end when it counts. Tony Romo is the opposite. He is a loser. I want Carson to do well, but he is not a leader. It is too early to say much about TP. He looked way better than Greg Papa said he would, but his passes were pretty ugly.
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I totally agree with everything you said. Pryor needs to keep working on his mechanics, there’s potential for improvement. He has all the other qualities and intangibles in spades. Too early to definitively say bust/boom.
Your overall evaluation there shows you’ve got excellent football acumen. Unlike Dr Idiot who is the biggest clown on this blog.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:25 pm
TP haters, chew on this. Darryl Lamonica was probably the 4 or 5 best QB in Raider history. He had tons of experience and success correct ?
Pass attempts: 2,601
Pass completions: 1,288
Percentage: 49.5
TD-INT: 164-138
Passing Yards: 19,154
And you complain about TP after 1 game. His first in 2.5 years. A game in which he engineered 3 Td’s whe the team hadn’t scored a single TD in almost 3 games.
His completion percentage and QB rating after all of that inactivity was about equal to a once decent old pro. Plus he can and does run like a cheetah.
QB Rating
72.9
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Honestly, I don’t have the playing/coaching experience to know football enough to analyze or give opinion.
I’m just a fan of the team.
I don’t know if CP or TP will be the QB to lead this team to a Lombardi. Maybe QB footwork fundamentals and throwing mechanics may help TP become a good QB. I did notice that TP has something that CP doesn’t: intangibles in the clutch. Throwing accuracy he doesn’t have. Sometimes the intangibles trumps physical abilities. DA as a coach from Dungver should’ve figured that out from personal and recent experience. Hence why I question his ability and judgement as HC.
Still, I don’t know if Reggie is a good GM nor if DA is a good HC. 3 months ago, he preached “patience” and “perspective” and just a few days ago he changes his tune to “this is a win now business.”
All I know is that I’m beyond frustrated for the last 10 years. Period. I don’t know who the OC should be nor do I know who the best coach for the OL. I do question whether or not De Fillipio is the coach who can help TP become a bonafide QB or not.
I’m just not happy with the W-L record over the last 10 seasons. I commented once before, since the Super Bowl FARCE, the peak of this last decade has been “HIP HIP HURRAY!” Can you blame me for my frustration? Yet at the end, I will choose to don the silver and black.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:37 pm
GG, I appreciate the compliment. I have followed the Raiders primarily, and the NFL for 40 years. I have no idea who the coach is, but I have to take him at his word in here. I totally disagree with his assessment of Jim Plunkett.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
1206. A little harsh, but I am interested in how he is a QB coach if he thinks Jim Plunkett was a worse QB than Carson Palmer.
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oh it’s not even close. i watched plunkett play when i was a kid. if u ever watched him, u would know how poor a qb he was in reality. his TEAM won two super bowls and he had some nice moments. LOOK IT UP! don’t be lazy. look at the career stats. here, i’ll do it for u.
1971 48.2% 2158 yards 19 tds 16 ints 68.6 rating
1972 47.6% 2196 yards 8 tds 25 ints 45.7 rating
1973 51.3% 2550 yards 13 tds 17 ints 65.8 rating
1974 49.1% 2457 yards 19 tds 22 ints 64.1 rating
1975 39.1% 571 yards 3 tds 7 ints 39.7 rating
1976 51.9% 1592 yards 13 tds 16 ints 63.0 rating
1977 51.6% 1693 yards 9 tds 14 ints 62.1 rating
1979 46.7% 89 yards 1 td 1 int 60.1 rating
1980 51.6% 2299 yards 18 tds 16 ints 72.9 rating
1981 52.5% 1045 yards 4 tds 9 ints 56.7 rating
1982 58.2% 2035 yards 14 tds 15 ints 77.0 rating
1983 60.7% 2935 yards 20 tds 18 ints 82.7 rating
1984 54.5% 1473 yards 6 tds 10 ints 67.6 rating
1985 68.9% 803 yards 3 tds 3 ints 89.6 rating
1986 52.8% 1986 yards 14 tds 9 ints 82.5 rating
pretty special huh?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 pm
And Plunkett was the leader for 2 of our 3 Super Bowl victories! Freezetag, it has been a miserable 10 years to be a Raiders fan. Utterly painful, to say the least.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
I saw Jim Plunkett all of his years as a Raider. He led the team to 2 Super Bowl victories. You are an idiot. Plunkett may have been hurt. He did not constantly lose his job to the loser, Marc Wilson.
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u don’t the facts. maybe ur senile. he continually lost his job. it’s a simple truth.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Player and a coach of champions of what?
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football knitwit.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:43 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Beach…
You misunderstood the plunkett thing.
Dr Idiot was going on about how his QB Rating list was gospel. That stats don’t lie.
Meanwhile he was saying Pryor is not an NFL-caliber QB.
So, we showed up his flawed logic by showing him that Pryor has a better QB Rating higher than Namath and Plunkett.
In other words, Dr Idiot gave himself a wedgie. Either his QB Rating list is gospel, and therefore he can’t be hating Pryor. Or his QB Rating list isn’t gospel and Palmer isn’t as good as the list puts him at #19 overall.
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wow, ur amazing. EVRY post u make contains lies. every single one. i didn’t say it was gospel. i didn’t say anything but palmer was #19 on the nfl all time list. period. fact. deal with it.
i bet ur mom lied to u a lot about where she was going on saturday nights and that’s why u lie all the time.
and stats don’t lie. but obviously u do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Plunkett was an excellent QB. He may not have had the raw talent of the greats, but he was a baller, and he fit into the Raider style of football. People underestimate how well Plunkett had to play, and how much he contributed, to the success of those teams.
If you look up all-time QB statistics, he’s low. But also check out the all-time playoff QB statistics, he’s right at the top among the greats.
Stats aren’t gospel. They’re a guide only.
Palmer is an excellent statistical QB, and I like him per se, but he’s not going to get us over the edge. Palmer is the Romo of the AFC basically.
As for Pryor…he’s got work to do, but I like many others believe in him. Some of his throws were bad, some were accurate but slightly too inaccurate. Some were on the money. That’s what you get with a young inexperienced QB, especially one trying to learn new mechanics, and especially one playing his first game in almost 3 years, trying to not turn the ball over, thinking too much with each throw.
People need to just give him time for the game to slow down for him etc. Don’t hate, don’t over-inflate.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 pm
#1246 was intended for Beach, who is intelligent and worth the time.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 pm
I trust that you own a business and a coach, OK. And it is a TEAM game. But the leader is the QB. And, trying to compare the stats of 1980 and 2012 is ridiculous. The Raiders were 15-4 and won the Super Bowl after the 1983 season. 82.7 rating was awesome! Steve Young had the greatest numbers of all-time and his owner had to buy all of the players to surround him to win a Super Bowl. I judge talent different than you. Sorry!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:46 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
GG, I hope I made myself clear. I love Plunkett and he was a winner, and a definite leader. Great QBs can look bad for 3 qtrs, and then win in the end when it counts. Tony Romo is the opposite. He is a loser. I want Carson to do well, but he is not a leader. It is too early to say much about TP. He looked way better than Greg Papa said he would, but his passes were pretty ugly.
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I totally agree with everything you said. Pryor needs to keep working on his mechanics, there’s potential for improvement. He has all the other qualities and intangibles in spades. Too early to definitively say bust/boom.
Your overall evaluation there shows you’ve got excellent football acumen. Unlike Dr Idiot who is the biggest clown on this blog.
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when it all shakes out, it will be as obvious as ur lies that i was right and u were wrong. u don’t have any acumen at all. u couldn’t evaluate a player or discuss plays or diagnose a problem in football. ur a total ignorant stooge.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:25 pm
TP haters, chew on this. Darryl Lamonica was probably the 4 or 5 best QB in Raider history. He had tons of experience and success correct ?
Pass attempts: 2,601
Pass completions: 1,288
Percentage: 49.5
TD-INT: 164-138
Passing Yards: 19,154
And you complain about TP after 1 game. His first in 2.5 years. A game in which he engineered 3 Td’s whe the team hadn’t scored a single TD in almost 3 games.
His completion percentage and QB rating after all of that inactivity was about equal to a once decent old pro. Plus he can and does run like a cheetah.
QB Rating
72.9
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u are the 2nd person on this blog to say the rather weird “he runs like a cheetah” thing. the other was missdick. EXPOSED!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
1206. A little harsh, but I am interested in how he is a QB coach if he thinks Jim Plunkett was a worse QB than Carson Palmer.
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oh it’s not even close. i watched plunkett play when i was a kid. if u ever watched him, u would know how poor a qb he was in reality. his TEAM won two super bowls and he had some nice moments. LOOK IT UP! don’t be lazy. look at the career stats. here, i’ll do it for u.
1971 48.2% 2158 yards 19 tds 16 ints 68.6 rating
1972 47.6% 2196 yards 8 tds 25 ints 45.7 rating
1973 51.3% 2550 yards 13 tds 17 ints 65.8 rating
1974 49.1% 2457 yards 19 tds 22 ints 64.1 rating
1975 39.1% 571 yards 3 tds 7 ints 39.7 rating
1976 51.9% 1592 yards 13 tds 16 ints 63.0 rating
1977 51.6% 1693 yards 9 tds 14 ints 62.1 rating
1979 46.7% 89 yards 1 td 1 int 60.1 rating
1980 51.6% 2299 yards 18 tds 16 ints 72.9 rating
1981 52.5% 1045 yards 4 tds 9 ints 56.7 rating
1982 58.2% 2035 yards 14 tds 15 ints 77.0 rating
1983 60.7% 2935 yards 20 tds 18 ints 82.7 rating
1984 54.5% 1473 yards 6 tds 10 ints 67.6 rating
1985 68.9% 803 yards 3 tds 3 ints 89.6 rating
1986 52.8% 1986 yards 14 tds 9 ints 82.5 rating
pretty special huh?
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in plunkett’s super bowl years, easily his best by far, he had 18 tds and 16 ints and then 20 tds and 18 ints.
and i had the nerve to say palmer was better.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:40 pm
And Plunkett was the leader for 2 of our 3 Super Bowl victories! Freezetag, it has been a miserable 10 years to be a Raiders fan. Utterly painful, to say the least.
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u can say the word “leader’ but it doesn’t make it true. and it’s completely unprovable. stats don’t lie though. memories of “legends” do.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 pm
GG, I find it hard to believe that any true Raider fan can stoop to meaningless numbers to prove that a QB is not a Hall of Famer. The guy was incredible in 1980, my favorite season EVER! Plunkett and Stabler are Raider heroes.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Carson Palmer played his first game after missing half a season. Palmer clearly wasn’t up to game speed, completing just eight passes and throwing three interceptions against the Kansas City Chiefs. His quarterback rating was below 20.
TP played his 1st game in 2.5 yrs as basically a rookie and outperformed CP# in a major way. There’s no comparing relative to both mens game after extended time off.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:45 pm
I trust that you own a business and a coach, OK. And it is a TEAM game. But the leader is the QB. And, trying to compare the stats of 1980 and 2012 is ridiculous. The Raiders were 15-4 and won the Super Bowl after the 1983 season. 82.7 rating was awesome! Steve Young had the greatest numbers of all-time and his owner had to buy all of the players to surround him to win a Super Bowl. I judge talent different than you. Sorry!
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plunkett was NEVER considered particularly good even at the time. how many pro bowls did he go to?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Right coach, it was all just a dream, correct? I guess a mediocre QB coming off the bench and taking a 2-3 team and then winning 13 out of 15 games has nothing to do with leadership. And you are the QB coach and I’m not? Amazing.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
You are definitely not a Raider fan. You must think Steve Young was better than Joe Montana, right?
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:51 pm
GG, I find it hard to believe that any true Raider fan can stoop to meaningless numbers to prove that a QB is not a Hall of Famer. The guy was incredible in 1980, my favorite season EVER! Plunkett and Stabler are Raider heroes.
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bullsh!t. i love plunkett. stabler is my favorite all time. but reality is reality. i’m not blinded by fandom. that’s for kids. for real football acumen, u need to be able to see the truth. i guess it’s the coach in me. i don’t want to be fooled by what i THINK i see. i want to see production only.
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:58 pm
And I do understand the game much better than you. The rules favor the offenses now compared to when Plunkett played. Argue all you want. 2 Super Bowl rings equal 2 Super Bowl rings, which is a heck of a lot more than 95% of QBs that ever played the game. Try that stat on for size, pal!
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Right coach, it was all just a dream, correct? I guess a mediocre QB coming off the bench and taking a 2-3 team and then winning 13 out of 15 games has nothing to do with leadership. And you are the QB coach and I’m not? Amazing.
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do u recall their defense? kenny king? he did a good job that year. it was a “legend”. from 2-3 to 9-7? that’s 7-4. hardly a big deal. good but not amazing. they snuck into the playoffs and king went nuts, along with timely passes and great defense.
it doesn’t make plunkett anything more than what he was in reality, not in ur silver and black dreams.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:00 am
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:56 pm
You are definitely not a Raider fan. You must think Steve Young was better than Joe Montana, right?
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100% i grew up in south bend and my entire family are rabid notre dame fans. we loved montana. he was fantastic. but young was better.
and fu@k u. there is no bigger raider fan than me. none.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 am
If CP was as good as or better than Plunkett he would have a ring. It’s not about numbers, it’s about being clutch. Doing what you have to do to win.
Fouts and Marino put up big numbers but no rings. Hell Norm Snead and Dave Kreig put up great numbers, but neither is considered great.
Greatest Raiders QB’s:
1. Stabler
2. Plunkett
3. Gannon
4. Lamonica
CP3 fall into the scrap group of Jeff George, Hos, Mark Wilson, Jay Schoeade, Kerry Collins crowd. They all overed something but not much.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 am
Carson Palmer has a big arm and all. His INTs come at the wrong time. Plunkett threw TDs when needed. His INTs seldom cost the Raiders a victory.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 am
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:58 pm
And I do understand the game much better than you. The rules favor the offenses now compared to when Plunkett played. Argue all you want. 2 Super Bowl rings equal 2 Super Bowl rings, which is a heck of a lot more than 95% of QBs that ever played the game. Try that stat on for size, pal!
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this is one of the most ridiculous arguments of all time.
plunkett didn’t win those super bowls. the raiders did.
why is he the only 2-time super bowl winner not in the hall of fame? conspiracy? no. he wasn’t that good outside of those two years, when he really wasn’t great even then. did he make the pro bowl those years?
u can fool urself all u want. it’s ur life. believe what u want. but pryor sucks as a qb and palmer is very good.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 am
You are a fool. You are not a true Raider fan to come on this board and talk your nonsense. Go talk your smack to 49er fans.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:05 am
I know the numbers, know it all. The Raiders finished 11-5. Check the facts. I am sure you don’t believe me.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:05 am
Derek Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 am
If CP was as good as or better than Plunkett he would have a ring. It’s not about numbers, it’s about being clutch. Doing what you have to do to win.
Fouts and Marino put up big numbers but no rings. Hell Norm Snead and Dave Kreig put up great numbers, but neither is considered great.
Greatest Raiders QB’s:
1. Stabler
2. Plunkett
3. Gannon
4. Lamonica
CP3 fall into the scrap group of Jeff George, Hos, Mark Wilson, Jay Schoeade, Kerry Collins crowd. They all overed something but not much.
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great idea. plunkett was better than fouts and marino? u sure u wanna say that?
palmer is far better any of those marginal guys. gannon was the best qb the raiders ever had. then stabler. it’s not misty memories. it’s truth. gannon was mvp of the league. he didn’t have a cool nickname like snake, but it wasn’t close.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:06 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:01 am
Carson Palmer has a big arm and all. His INTs come at the wrong time. Plunkett threw TDs when needed. His INTs seldom cost the Raiders a victory.
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not true at all. he played on a great TEAM. they won in spite of him many times.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 am
How come Steve Young could not win Super Bowls like Joe Montana? Were the 49er teams that much worse when Young played. Why is Young better, because he had a better QB rating? How come Young never won until DeBartolo bought key players at every position? Do you not understand that some people perform better under pressure than others?
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:03 am
You are a fool. You are not a true Raider fan to come on this board and talk your nonsense. Go talk your smack to 49er fans.
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i can only be a raider fan if don’t know the truth? i’m not 12. i’m a grown man with the sense to know who’s who and what’s what. palmer bashers are idiots who have no knowledge of the game. pryor supporters are living a pipedream. go ahead. i don’t care. but i’ll tell u the truth whether u like it or not.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:10 am
The guy that threw 3 INTs for TDs to the other team in the Super Bowl is the greatest Raider QB of all-time? Do you realize that nobody on this board agrees with you. You know very little. And eff you, you moron!
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 am
Nobody cares about your point that a 10 year veteran QB is better than a kid that just played in his first game. You are full of hot air!
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:16 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 am
How come Steve Young could not win Super Bowls like Joe Montana? Were the 49er teams that much worse when Young played. Why is Young better, because he had a better QB rating? How come Young never won until DeBartolo bought key players at every position? Do you not understand that some people perform better under pressure than others?
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teams win, not qb’s. lots of variables. under pressure? that’s for opinions. not facts.
if qb A has 2500 yards and qb B has 3000 yards, but qb A’s team wins more games, it doesn’t mean qb A is better, it means his team was better. if qb B played on qb A’s team, team A would be even BETTER.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:16 am
How come you can’t answer any questions that people ask you? I would love to see how you answer my questions in # 1269.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:17 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:10 am
The guy that threw 3 INTs for TDs to the other team in the Super Bowl is the greatest Raider QB of all-time? Do you realize that nobody on this board agrees with you. You know very little. And eff you, you moron!
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i couldn’t care less who agrees with me. i know reality. be a fan. be a super fan. i don’t care. gannon was league mvp. he had a bad game. nfl people laugh at this stuff. they know the super bowl is a game. the players know it’s a game. one game. gannon was phenomenal.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 am
This seems to be a no brainer in my eyes. Bring in an oc that builds around the youth pryor. Carson will not last more than a year ( i think that is even a stretch) or two at the most. The rest of the cast will naturally out last palmer.
the raiders have a chance to do both the prudent business move with a youth moment , but also take part in the cutting edge of offensive football with a hybrid option offense with pryor and dmac and the rest!!!
If you take the emotion out, truly this plan would be best for this team now and moving forward.
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I think its the cap implications for 2014 – to sign FA for a playoff push… its either one with a broken down vet thats expensive and would re-structure again? Or move forward with Newton and draft a QB later (Glennon , Bray or Murray (if he declares)
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 am
Nobody cares about your point that a 10 year veteran QB is better than a kid that just played in his first game. You are full of hot air!
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ur mad at me? there’s a bunch of fans ragging on our qb in here, in hopes that a kid with no passing skills will take over cuz he’s black. that should be offensive to u.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:20 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:17 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:10 am
The guy that threw 3 INTs for TDs to the other team in the Super Bowl is the greatest Raider QB of all-time? Do you realize that nobody on this board agrees with you. You know very little. And eff you, you moron!
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i couldn’t care less who agrees with me. i know reality. be a fan. be a super fan. i don’t care. gannon was league mvp. he had a bad game. nfl people laugh at this stuff. they know the super bowl is a game. the players know it’s a game. one game. gannon was phenomenal.
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NO QB lead the team to the playoffs other than Gannon.
until Palmer or Pryor do that, its not even in the same conversation or sentence.
Unless that QB is in this draft….we stick with the plan
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
OK. I will leave it at that. My opinion is that QBs like Plunkett and Eli Manning that perform well under pressure (ie. having great games in playoffs and Super Bowls) are better than QBs like Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, who may have better stats, but have a tendency of throwing INTs in the 4th quarter of close games. I just think most football observers agree with my rationale.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 am
Nobody cares about your point that a 10 year veteran QB is better than a kid that just played in his first game. You are full of hot air!
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ur mad at me? there’s a bunch of fans ragging on our qb in here, in hopes that a kid with no passing skills will take over cuz he’s black. that should be offensive to u.
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Palmer will be the qB, Pryor will be in the mix to back him up, or another QB will be drafted.
black has nothing to do with it – although 2 are in the playoffs with similar mobility (Wilson/RGIII)
if Pryor EARNS it, he’ll get it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:22 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:08 am
How come Steve Young could not win Super Bowls like Joe Montana? Were the 49er teams that much worse when Young played. Why is Young better, because he had a better QB rating? How come Young never won until DeBartolo bought key players at every position? Do you not understand that some people perform better under pressure than others?
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if u watched montana, he was a great passer. but young was like a robot. he was incredible. unbelievable accuracy. when u did cover the wr’s, he took off for a first down. his team was different. different players and different years. and people had caught up with walsh’s offense a bit. and their defense wasn’t as good. there’s a reason they let the legend montana go. everyone knew at that time that young was actually better.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:22 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
OK. I will leave it at that. My opinion is that QBs like Plunkett and Eli Manning that perform well under pressure (ie. having great games in playoffs and Super Bowls) are better than QBs like Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, who may have better stats, but have a tendency of throwing INTs in the 4th quarter of close games. I just think most football observers agree with my rationale.
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I think we agree that there isnt a better option, unless we draft one, and there are more pressing needs – RT, ILB, CB, pass rusher just to name a few…..
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:24 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
OK. I will leave it at that. My opinion is that QBs like Plunkett and Eli Manning that perform well under pressure (ie. having great games in playoffs and Super Bowls) are better than QBs like Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, who may have better stats, but have a tendency of throwing INTs in the 4th quarter of close games. I just think most football observers agree with my rationale.
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most fans, yes. not coaches or gm’s or talent evaluators.
but u seem like a decent guy. sorry if ur offended. i’m brash at times but it’s because i don’t like people dissing our qb for their stupid racial agenda.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:26 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 am
Nobody cares about your point that a 10 year veteran QB is better than a kid that just played in his first game. You are full of hot air!
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ur mad at me? there’s a bunch of fans ragging on our qb in here, in hopes that a kid with no passing skills will take over cuz he’s black. that should be offensive to u.
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Palmer will be the qB, Pryor will be in the mix to back him up, or another QB will be drafted.
black has nothing to do with it – although 2 are in the playoffs with similar mobility (Wilson/RGIII)
if Pryor EARNS it, he’ll get it.
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oh, i don’t care myself what a guy’s color is. i really like pryor. i just think he’s out of position. if he was gonna be griffin or newton or wilson or kaepernick, i’d love it. but i don’t think he stands a chance at that.
but a lot of guys are loving him and hating palmer cuz he’s black. it’s garbage.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 am
Honestly, not mad at you. I have said that Palmer is # 1 and Pryor is # 2. I am not sure that, if given the chance, say by 2014, that Pryor can’t be a good NFL QB. The intangibles are that he can avoid sacks and run for 1st downs. Will a guy like Kaepernick learn how to throw a ball with touch? Time will tell. And yes, those that want Pryor to be starter now just because of his skin color are wrong. But, I must say Greg Papa had me thinking there would be numerous false starts and the kid would look like JaMarcus Russell. I sure did not see that.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:24 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
OK. I will leave it at that. My opinion is that QBs like Plunkett and Eli Manning that perform well under pressure (ie. having great games in playoffs and Super Bowls) are better than QBs like Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, who may have better stats, but have a tendency of throwing INTs in the 4th quarter of close games. I just think most football observers agree with my rationale.
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most fans, yes. not coaches or gm’s or talent evaluators.
but u seem like a decent guy. sorry if ur offended. i’m brash at times but it’s because i don’t like people dissing our qb for their stupid racial agenda.
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Isnt the fact that more mobile QB’s are the trend, and a the offense wasnt scripted for Pryor’s skill set? They didnt want to give him too much, and waited till the very last game to evaluate him.
The anger stems from them not playing Pryor sooner, and by chance proving a coaching staff wrong (that was disliked from the very beginning)
No racial agenda, other than trolls coming out, then people defending Pryor myopically.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Just curious. Do we agree that Mr. Davis was a poor evaluator of the QB position?
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:29 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:26 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:19 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:12 am
Nobody cares about your point that a 10 year veteran QB is better than a kid that just played in his first game. You are full of hot air!
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ur mad at me? there’s a bunch of fans ragging on our qb in here, in hopes that a kid with no passing skills will take over cuz he’s black. that should be offensive to u.
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Palmer will be the qB, Pryor will be in the mix to back him up, or another QB will be drafted.
black has nothing to do with it – although 2 are in the playoffs with similar mobility (Wilson/RGIII)
if Pryor EARNS it, he’ll get it.
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oh, i don’t care myself what a guy’s color is. i really like pryor. i just think he’s out of position. if he was gonna be griffin or newton or wilson or kaepernick, i’d love it. but i don’t think he stands a chance at that.
but a lot of guys are loving him and hating palmer cuz he’s black. it’s garbage.
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I like Pryor, hope he does well…hope Palmer has a huge chip on his shoulder, and really gets consistent because he knows this is the last roundup.
Nothing like proving people wrong….Plunkett did it, but maybe thats too much to ask for in this age.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:30 am
each Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Just curious. Do we agree that Mr. Davis was a poor evaluator of the QB position?
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lets see
Billy Joe Hobert
Marques Tuiasosopo
Rusty Hilger
Vince Evans
JaMarcus Russell
Todd Marinovich
Kerry Collins
yeah, you might say that (LOL)
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:30 am
each Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Just curious. Do we agree that Mr. Davis was a poor evaluator of the QB position?
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passing on Ben Rothelisberger, Aaron Rodgers, Jay Cutler
yeah, you COULD say that
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:31 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:27 am
Honestly, not mad at you. I have said that Palmer is # 1 and Pryor is # 2. I am not sure that, if given the chance, say by 2014, that Pryor can’t be a good NFL QB. The intangibles are that he can avoid sacks and run for 1st downs. Will a guy like Kaepernick learn how to throw a ball with touch? Time will tell. And yes, those that want Pryor to be starter now just because of his skin color are wrong. But, I must say Greg Papa had me thinking there would be numerous false starts and the kid would look like JaMarcus Russell. I sure did not see that.
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if u saw the history of what was being said, i think it’s obscene that guys are calling themselves raider fans and saying how bad palmer sucks when he clearly doesn’t. and he’s been a great trooper. how can a raider fan disrespect our qb when he has done pretty well in the face of great adversity and has been a mentor to pryor and a leader?
i was defending palmer by pointing out certain statistical facts. guys don’t like that so they start throwing around all kids of nonsense.
it’s my opinion pryor will never be a quality qb. we can disagree. but when u start talking about what garbage palmer is, i show u up for the clown u are.
not u per se. other guys.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:32 am
Sam, I was asking Dr_Robert.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:35 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:24 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:21 am
OK. I will leave it at that. My opinion is that QBs like Plunkett and Eli Manning that perform well under pressure (ie. having great games in playoffs and Super Bowls) are better than QBs like Tony Romo and Carson Palmer, who may have better stats, but have a tendency of throwing INTs in the 4th quarter of close games. I just think most football observers agree with my rationale.
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most fans, yes. not coaches or gm’s or talent evaluators.
but u seem like a decent guy. sorry if ur offended. i’m brash at times but it’s because i don’t like people dissing our qb for their stupid racial agenda.
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Isnt the fact that more mobile QB’s are the trend, and a the offense wasnt scripted for Pryor’s skill set? They didnt want to give him too much, and waited till the very last game to evaluate him.
The anger stems from them not playing Pryor sooner, and by chance proving a coaching staff wrong (that was disliked from the very beginning)
No racial agenda, other than trolls coming out, then people defending Pryor myopically.
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the so-called athletic qb isn’t really the point. a few guys (missdick and priest mainly) have accused everyone from mark davis to dennis allen of racism for not ditching palmer (hot garbage, even with 4k yards and 22 tds in 14 games with subpar wrs) and playing a kid that has exceptionally questionable passing skills. in now way should dennis allen, as an actual football coach, been expected to anything so ridiculous. and sunday’s performance. while touted by some, was proof to me that he was exactly what he suspected of being. a great athlete and competitor who doesn’t throw a very good ball.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 am
Yes, I like Carson. And maybe the whole ZBS which appears to have ruined our running game, screwed up the entire offense. Carson had some good games this season, but with a terrible defense and special teams, you can’t win in the NFL. I think it took the passing of Mr. Davis for me to realize that the talent on the team was overrated.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:36 am
Beach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Just curious. Do we agree that Mr. Davis was a poor evaluator of the QB position?
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i don’t know. he didn’t care about character enuff cuz he was living in his glory years of the ’70’s when he thought he had rebels. marinovich and russell were very talented but drugs ruined them.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:38 am
We need better players on defense and the offensive line, and we can only hope we draft well and get some quality free agents in here, for a change!
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:40 am
I thought TP did great on a slop, rainy field with everyone adlibbing because of it (or because they (raider receivers) do so anyway…Palmer constantly coaching on the sidelines all year), his first start, with 4 outright drops, some stupid raider penalties in the red zone, DHB not battling for the jump ball at the long throw to the goal line, extending plays, no delay of games, no sacks, threw the ball away when he had to, no running game as usual, and starting 7 pts behind.
Perfect? of course not, but I saw him throw all types of passes, and do a one armed throw down of an amped up 210lb Goodson. He’s not just fast, he’s naturally elusive.
He “Kept his head when all others loose their’s”
to paraphrase Kipling
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:41 am
we need 2 OL and a #1 WR for this offense to click bigtime. and the realization that dmc is toast.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:41 am
and considering, Palmer did just fine last year.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:41 am
I will be honest and say my biggest issue right now is with the city of Oakland and Mark Davis (the Oakland Raiders). Can we freakin’ get a new stadium built in Oakland in the next 5 years? Every other sports city in the USA has done it. Can our beloved Raiders get it done in Oakland?
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Romania Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:40 am
I thought TP did great on a slop, rainy field with everyone adlibbing because of it (or because they (raider receivers) do so anyway…Palmer constantly coaching on the sidelines all year), his first start, with 4 outright drops, some stupid raider penalties in the red zone, DHB not battling for the jump ball at the long throw to the goal line, extending plays, no delay of games, no sacks, threw the ball away when he had to, no running game as usual, and starting 7 pts behind.
Perfect? of course not, but I saw him throw all types of passes, and do a one armed throw down of an amped up 210lb Goodson. He’s not just fast, he’s naturally elusive.
He “Kept his head when all others loose their’s”
to paraphrase Kipling
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yes to all of those things. but 46% and 70.8 rating over time will lead to awfulness. the kid’s passes were very poor. that’s the whole story to me. one meaningless game’s results don’t matter. 3 td’s don’t matter. this kid, over time, would be horrendous as a qb. less than 150 yards. until the two late td’s, everyone was talking about terrible he was.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Dmc is a slash and run type of guy. If the idea of a zone is to pound it until the d is softened up in the fourth, he’s the last guy to do that (as in What were they thinking???).
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 am
i’m out. going to bed. i’ve said plenty tonight. it doesn’t matter anyway. we’ll see how it all pans out down the line. i’m done talking palmer/pryor. if and when i return, it will be about coaching hires, free agent signings, and the draft.
go raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:49 am
Sleep well Dr,
Do some stretches, and a few push ups, and walk around the block if you think it’s safe.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:50 am
Romania Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Dmc is a slash and run type of guy. If the idea of a zone is to pound it until the d is softened up in the fourth, he’s the last guy to do that (as in What were they thinking???).
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i know this a popular thought. and i don’t blame people for searching for a reason why he sucked. but every other back excelled. and peterson, gore, charles, etc. would all kill it regardless of scheme. as a coach, i know scheme simply is a way to try to create openings. rb’s go thru those openings.
the truth as i see it, is that dmc’s injuries have caught up to him. he’s a brittle guy. he has lost his explosion. he simply has petered out quickly. i don’t expect a scheme change to do anything.
i do expect them to explore trading him for mendenhall or mjd straight up, which would be good.
January 3rd, 2013 at 12:50 am
Yes, indeed. Good night and Go Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 1:04 am
DT JOSH MAURO FROM STANFORD….DUDE HAS A MOTOR, ALSO SHAYNE SKOV….
January 3rd, 2013 at 1:18 am
#1228: Did you ever see bernie Kozar throw. He had a great career with an ackward delivery, jus like Phillip Rivers and many more. How can you or anyone else judge Pryors accuracy after 1 game. I don’t believe Palmer could have converted any of those TD’s.
The bottom line is and will always be. the guy makes plays. Moreso than any QB on the Raiders roster. We ssaw that in the pre season and during his lone start.
January 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 am
I wish we could find out a list of OC Reggie is interested in interviewing for!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 2:52 am
Keep it hush hush, and on the qt.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:18 am
Riff,
continuing our discussion from the last thread …
so you want to kick out Brisiel, Lechler, Kelly & Heyward-Bey only to replace them with Bergstrom, King, Bilukidi & Criner?
dang dude, thats bold! (sounds like moves a REBUILDING team would attempt. thats not us)
I agree with replacing Seymour, McClain & Branch in favor of Bryant, Gaither & Mitchell though.
Letting ShoNasty walk in FA and drafting a pass rusher with our first pick? Uhhhhh, I’m on the fence about this move
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:24 am
Riff,
none of those moves really address the secondary – our biggest flaw. Are you cool with Adams & Huff at CB?
or moving Huff back to FS and starting Ross at CB opposite Adams? I haven’t seen enough of any of these 3 players to be confident about that
Mitchell is just as bad as Branch … they are the same player. MM34 is just cheaper
Spencer & Giordano can kick rocks imo
yeah a pass rusher would help, but when you play a QB with a quick release or an adequate O-Line our DB’s are gonna get roasted
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 am
Seahawks coach Pete Carroll is a fan of the trend toward younger quarterbacks.
“I think it’s really exciting and the guys have done great,” Carroll said. “They really have against all of the odds and history and stuff they’ve just been amazing to take their teams into the playoffs.
“It’s a very exciting time for the league knowing there are other guys out there who are going to come up in the next couple of years, and there are stars in the making in the college ranks, and you don’t have to wait years and years for those guys to show up and be a factor. ”
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Raiders Please Wake Up
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:30 am
1254.Derek Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Carson Palmer played his first game after missing half a season. Palmer clearly wasn’t up to game speed, completing just eight passes and throwing three interceptions against the Kansas City Chiefs. His quarterback rating was below 20.
TP played his 1st game in 2.5 yrs as basically a rookie and outperformed CP# in a major way. There’s no comparing relative to both mens game after extended time off.
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You posted the same thing yesterday. It was BS then and it’s BS again today. Pryor has had the playbook since the first training camp and has been in team meetings and on the practice field all year with said playbook.
Palmer got his playbook DAYS before the KC game last year and had one or two practices, PERIOD, before entering the game against KC (which he is on record as saying he never expected to play in, although Hue lied and said Palmer told him he was ready to go).
Stop it already.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:39 am
Did 95.7 go ESPN on us?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:44 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
Riff,
none of those moves really address the secondary – our biggest flaw. Are you cool with Adams & Huff at CB?
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A great pass rush can do a lot for a weak secondary. You fix the DL first – work from the inside out.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Today is 1.3.13…can we get something….anything???
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 am
This might come out of the blue, but from what I’ve seen this year our WR corps is the weak link on this team.
I thought the secondary was earlier in the year, but that seems to have been shored up a little bit. Our receivers can’t run routes, nor can they catch anything on a consistent basis. We need a #1 receiver, bad.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:51 am
I think Huff is going back to safety! Adams, he did good, but every game he ended up being on the injured list! Ross…well…
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:00 am
Raiding Texas
I have been saying that for the last ten years.
We finally have started doing that with Reggie with another healthy dose of it for the next two years in the draft.
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
Prior to Reggie our last ten years in the draft were disastrous for both lines.
You can not do it through free agency either since the contracts are too rich relative to production.
We need to invest high picks on our lines with the rookie cap in place.
DB’s and Running backs get better by default.
The Redskins (Shanahan again) have shown that when you build a strong enough Oline you become the number one rushing team in the league with a sixth round pick.
Not a coincidence they also make the playoffs this year.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:04 am
Was just looking at a free agents list for 2013. We have nine DBs on our roster that are on that list.
Obviously we keep a couple of those guys, but the defensive backfield is going to look pretty different next year nevertheless.
Hopefully we can get someone on offense that can run a route and catch the ball. That would help a little, too.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:08 am
Teach
We do need secondary help. Just not as much on the Dline and Oline.
I can definitely see us taking a DB in something like the 4th round.
I see us using our high picks (1st and 2nd rounders) for the next two years on both lines.
The Redskins and Seahawks are good examples of what benefits this approach provides. It takes a few years but the vast majority of both team’s picks in the first and second round have been invested on “in the box” talent over the last four years.
2014 is the first year we will have a full complement of picks since 2010.
This is why our turnaround will be a bit slower than some other teams.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:15 am
You look at the Super Bowl winners of the last 5 years or so, the positions they invest the most of their resources in (draft picks and cap room), are QB-WR-Pass rushers. Packers, Giants, Steelers
Charlie, you keep bringing up the Redskins, but all these “investments” they had last year, and they stunk.
They invested a top 3 pick and all kinds of future picks AND then another 4th rounder on QB’s, and viola, playoffs.
Skins top cap hit is Trent Williams, then a bunch of skill players. Deangelo, Garcon, Fred Davis, Santana Moss, Josh Wilson, RGIII.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:16 am
GOOD MORNING NATION!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:20 am
A QB improves everything, even perception.
Last year Trent Williams was called for 5 holding penalties in 10 games, this year 2 in 16.
Do you really think Trent Williams is “holding” that much less?
LMAO….it is perception by the refs that they got this thing together. Rex Grossman gives no such perception.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:28 am
An elite QB makes your defense much better. Look at Denver
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:28 am
What’s up Mike?
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:29 am
That is true…when you don’t have to play from behind all the time, your D does get better!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 am
It looks like now Andy Reid is going to KC! As he didn’t fly to AZ last night as expected. What does he see in KC that he doesn’t in AZ?
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:40 am
Just Fire
It is the focus on in the box talent I am referring to.
They invest high picks on in the box talent. So has Seattle over the last four years.
I know that not every pick will produce immediately but it builds your team in the areas that are the most important.
The lines.
Shanahan did it in Denver and he has done it with the Skins.
A sixth round pick as a running back behind high round picks in the box.
Sure RG111 is a talent. He can not do it alone.
It is a higher percentage strategy back to winning.
Not the only stratgety just a higher percebatge play that MOST of the NFL uses.
Our lines are WAY below the NFL average in talent which is a huge reason we have lost for as long as we have.
Far below in line talent and vastly overpaid.
We are still at the cap limit this year without a full comlement of picks.
That is why I have said we are now in year 2 of a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
It took Shanahan 3 years to get to the playoffs. Why are we any different?
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:41 am
Ex Bills OC Curtis Modkins will be the next Raiders OC. Note the sharpie in the visor look and his animated stare!
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/curtis-modkins/cf735970-0533-4162-849b-cc2b28771268
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:42 am
Charlie makes an aweful lot of sense…..
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 am
good morning Hwnrdr !!
how were the holidays ??
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:03 am
The holidays were cool….too darn short like always, but…hey, cannot fight Father Time!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:21 am
lol.. very true sir !!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:25 am
edward teach Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:04 am
Was just looking at a free agents list for 2013. We have nine DBs on our roster that are on that list.
Obviously we keep a couple of those guys, but the defensive backfield is going to look pretty different next year nevertheless.
Hopefully we can get someone on offense that can run a route and catch the ball. That would help a little, too.
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Not having guys who can run routes and catch the ball has been huge against us this season.
We are so used to seeing guys drop balls we just expect it and when it happens we kind of blow it off as “ahhh well…it happens…overall he’s been pretty good”. The trouble is IT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN that much…we’re just so used to it.
I believe in Charlies assessment of building the lines but i think a good GM can do that quicker IF he knows what he’s doing.
Maybe a bit of good karma can come our way…for once.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:30 am
Does anyone realize that since that moron Moss left, our number one receivers have been: Curry, Higgens, Murphy, and DHB! Thats crazy!
Our first order of business is to bring in a true number one WR, a veteran, REGARDLESS OF COST! Number two FA: a top tier FS.
Bolster the lines in the draft after that. Every stinkin pick should be linemen, IMO.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 am
Not having guys who can run routes and catch the ball has been huge against us this season.
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Do you realize we haven’t had a veteran number one WR with leadership and teaching skills since RICE RETIRED??? Thats nutso! No wonder our WR’s never learn anything… DHB is our veteran!! (Hagan is just a journeyman) And he doesn’t know how to catch the ball!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:43 am
Do you realize we haven’t had a veteran number one WR with leadership and teaching skills since RICE RETIRED??? Thats nutso! No wonder our WR’s never learn anything.
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I put that more on the Coaching. We haven’t developed a good Recieving Corps since Fred Belitnikoff retired. Was Tim Brown really guiding guys through or was it Fred who taught Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry and Doug Gabriel how to get open?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:43 am
Is Saunders being considered for the OC?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:46 am
00raiders00 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:43 am
Is Saunders being considered for the OC?
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I heard he WAS being considered, but nothing beyond that.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:47 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 am
It looks like now Andy Reid is going to KC! As he didn’t fly to AZ last night as expected. What does he see in KC that he doesn’t in AZ?
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AZ has Kolb and KC has the #1 pick.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 am
McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson.
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Newsflash:
For all those clamoring for a #1 receiver like Bowe or Jennings, come back down to earth cuz Reggie will not be making any splashes this offseason. Expect more Bartells and Spencers coming.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:51 am
morilla Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:47 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 am
It looks like now Andy Reid is going to KC! As he didn’t fly to AZ last night as expected. What does he see in KC that he doesn’t in AZ?
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AZ has Kolb and KC has the #1 pick
True
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:57 am
Welcome to the AFC West, Andy Ried.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:03 am
1345.J Hill Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:57 am
Welcome to the AFC West, Andy Ried.
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Now if only he can bring Mike Vick with him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:05 am
1346.boss01 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:03 am
1345.J Hill Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:57 am
Welcome to the AFC West, Andy Ried.
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Now if only he can bring Mike Vick with him.
Or even better, draft Matt Barkley.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 am
Raider((1967)
KC – GOT PIG IN THE OVEN !
SEE ! What I told you !
No – Unwelcome Andy Reed ★
You are not Welcome …GO HOME!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 am
I wouldn’t spend a ton of money on too many FAs.
I think McKenzie will spend to get one FA.
WR position was an absolute disaster. One of those WRs will be cut or traded as, uh, “payback” for them having to dump their boy Krapp.
I’d like to see them grab Anthony Spencer.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:08 am
good morning all, so did reggie choose stainmaster or armstrong carpet yesterday?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:08 am
Was thinking the same thing, Boss.
PLEASE draft a QB #1 overall!!!!
Jags take Te’O
PLEASE let that happen.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
boss01 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 am
McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson.
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Newsflash:
For all those clamoring for a #1 receiver like Bowe or Jennings, come back down to earth cuz Reggie will not be making any splashes this offseason. Expect more Bartells and Spencers coming.
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How do you know this?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
For sure, I’d love to find out who the Raiders are considering as an OC. Some people earlier were talking about Marc Trestman coming back to the Raiders? A few thoughts:
I like Trestman, think he is a good offensive mind. In the CFL he’s been here 5 years, 3 Grey Cup appearances, won it twice for his Montreal Alouettes, so he has nothing to prove really.
Money wise, there’s no comparison in the economics between the CFL and the NFL, so that’s not an issue. *quick side note, a top CFL QB, will make more $ holding a clipboard as a #3 in the NFL…seriously. lol
My only thing is, I’m generally against brining back retreads, #hashtag Norvell, Hue (we need to turn the page and move on) though I would’t be opposed to the return of our prodigal lost son, Chucky.
Which is a nice segway into my last point about Trestman. The CFL is a pass oriented league, it’s a QB League. The running game does not have nearly the same impact as it does in the NFL. If we can remember back to the 2002 era, the Raiders with Trestman as the OC got too obsessed with passing and pretty much abandoned their running game (Garner, Wheatley, Crockett…).
That factor, along with the fact that Chucky new every play in their book, was a big reason why a smaller, quicker Bucs team humiliated them that horrible day, which in reality, this franchise has yet to recover from.
So while Trestman defiitely wouldn’t be the worst hire, I think there are more suitable alternatives out there.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:13 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 2nd, 2013 at 9:09 pm
“F” the SEC and their fans. Getting beat resoundingly by a “lowly” Big East school. LOL.
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Chris,
“F You Too”. Say what you will about the conference but you should keep your opinions about the fans to yourself. You get dialed up and start wolfing at people you know nothing about. And I like most things you post.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:14 am
Gdog Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
boss01 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 am
McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson.
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Newsflash:
For all those clamoring for a #1 receiver like Bowe or Jennings, come back down to earth cuz Reggie will not be making any splashes this offseason. Expect more Bartells and Spencers coming.
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How do you know this?
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Ooops, I didn’t read to the top. Never mind. Damnit… bargain bin WRs?? Hot garbage…
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:15 am
and they will give away any speed at wr…
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:20 am
GreatWhiteRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 am
For sure, I’d love to find out who the Raiders are considering as an OC. Some people earlier were talking about Marc Trestman coming back to the Raiders? A few thoughts:
I like Trestman, think he is a good offensive mind. In the CFL he’s been here 5 years, 3 Grey Cup appearances, won it twice for his Montreal Alouettes, so he has nothing to prove really.
Money wise, there’s no comparison in the economics between the CFL and the NFL, so that’s not an issue. *quick side note, a top CFL QB, will make more $ holding a clipboard as a #3 in the NFL…seriously. lol
My only thing is, I’m generally against brining back retreads, #hashtag Norvell, Hue (we need to turn the page and move on) though I would’t be opposed to the return of our prodigal lost son, Chucky.
Which is a nice segway into my last point about Trestman. The CFL is a pass oriented league, it’s a QB League. The running game does not have nearly the same impact as it does in the NFL. If we can remember back to the 2002 era, the Raiders with Trestman as the OC got too obsessed with passing and pretty much abandoned their running game (Garner, Wheatley, Crockett…).
That factor, along with the fact that Chucky new every play in their book, was a big reason why a smaller, quicker Bucs team humiliated them that horrible day, which in reality, this franchise has yet to recover from.
So while Trestman defiitely wouldn’t be the worst hire, I think there are more suitable alternatives out there.
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Thanx for the info, and yes, Trestman loved to pass… but the offense was still the top rated offense in all of football.
I still have tape of that Monday night game vs Pitts where Gannon threw 53? times and Pitts was completely helpless in stopping it. It was WCO 101.. one apple two apple PASS! One apple two apple PASS. Wide open receivers all over the field. Carson could do that offense in his SLEEP!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:20 am
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Ooops, I didn’t read to the top. Never mind. Damnit… bargain bin WRs?? Hot garbage…
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I hope at least we get somebody like Steve Smith. It will probably be someone up there in years that doesnt command a top 5 contract.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:22 am
Good Post GreatWhite!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:24 am
Another reason Trestman would be such a perfect fit is because of McF… he’d be perfect for that offense because RBs are just complimentary.
Anybody that thinks we can run McFadden 25 to 30 times a game to the playoffs is completely delusional.
All he has to do is lose the droppsies he developed with Knapp. I think he was so frustrated he couldn’t concentrate because he’s always been a very sure-handed receiver until this year.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:28 am
BTW.. I wonder if it was Trestman that taught Gannon the art of the pump-fake, because if so… it turned him into the MVP of the NFL.
Carson’s next pump fake will be his first… at least with the Knapp-led Raiders.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:29 am
Gdog
We simply have no cap room.
The prior regime put us three years behind the rest of the league with cap issues and a lack of picks.
2014 is when MOST of the garbage contracts nad associated dead money will be gone. We also have our furst full complement of picks since 2010.
“Fans who pined for the Jon Gruden fantasy to materialize should prepare for a more simple reality: McKenzie and Allen rolling up their sleeves and embarking on year two.
In some ways, the second year will be a lot like the first — lots of changes to the roster.
“I know we have some guys that are going to be the core of what we want and the type of players we want,” Allen said.
Those players will be found within a budget, because McKenzie does not believe in running up huge salary cap overages as Al Davis did, and the Raiders are believed to be close to the projected $121 million figure for 2013.
McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson when he was Director of Operations in Green Bay.
That means that players with salaries that appear to exceed their production are candidates to be traded or released. McKenzie is currently without second- and fifth-round draft picks.
With that in mind, don’t be surprised if McKenzie deals the No. 3 overall pick to pick up additional ones.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain, scheduled to make $4 million, will be released when it makes the most sense with regard to the salary cap.
Others whose financial commitments could be an issue include wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey ($7,721,000 salary) and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6.5 million salary, with potential bonuses up to $9.4 million).”
“The Raiders are making changes to their offensive staff. It may take a couple of years to dig themselves out of a terrible cap situation that this regime inherited.”
“The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better next year.”
“Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:30 am
Charlie Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:40 am
Just Fire
It is the focus on in the box talent I am referring to.
They invest high picks on in the box talent. So has Seattle over the last four years.
I know that not every pick will produce immediately but it builds your team in the areas that are the most important.
The lines.
Shanahan did it in Denver and he has done it with the Skins.
A sixth round pick as a running back behind high round picks in the box.
Sure RG111 is a talent. He can not do it alone.
It is a higher percentage strategy back to winning.
Not the only stratgety just a higher percebatge play that MOST of the NFL uses.
Our lines are WAY below the NFL average in talent which is a huge reason we have lost for as long as we have.
Far below in line talent and vastly overpaid.
We are still at the cap limit this year without a full comlement of picks.
That is why I have said we are now in year 2 of a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
It took Shanahan 3 years to get to the playoffs. Why are we any different?
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Shanahan is not a good example. When he came to WASH. they actually came with a completely DIFFERENT system.
They only switched to read option THIS offseason, AFTER picking up RGIII.
Thats right, Mike Shanahan completely ditched the “rebuilding” process they were originally going with, and learned an ENTIRELY new system this offseason, one which they previously had NO knowledge in. So the 3 years was not within 1 system, and it didnt take that long to get it moving.
The turn around came within 1 season with the RGIII in the RIGHT system.
Shanahan completely scrapped his original “rebuilding” plan when they picked up RG.
A better comparison to Dennis Allen would be Greg Schiano, from the Bucs. Rookie head coach, takes over a 4-12 team, one of the most INEXPERIENCED rosters in the NFL, not one that I would say is better than ours in any stretch. He improved them from 4-12 to 7-9. Dennis Allen took 8-8 to 4-12, AND got SMASHED by Schiano and the Bucs.
Sorry, I dont wanna give Dennis Allen 3 years just because Shanahan lucked up with RG in his 3rd year with Redskins.
Sad part is, if WE drafted RG, Dennis Allen would be completely wasting him, instead of doing what Shanahan did, and implemented a whole new system.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:32 am
Missed a word. 2014 is when we WILL have our first full complement of draft picks since 2010.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 am
Raider ( since 1967)
Good Morning Cork : KC – WILL GET REED THE PIG !
TRYING for 15- min to get to you in the post I think everyone Post in the forum ande including Cork . I think he had us block off the whole forum turn slow ! Oh Well !
Flash *** Andy Reed is the KC Coac …. ! ” Not Welcome ”
MAD AS HELL ! HE is like Fly on S#it !
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:36 am
On defense, left end Lamarr Houston, linebacker Miles Burris and safeties Michael Huff and Tyvon Branch are on firm ground.
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No way Huff & Branch should be on firm ground. One of them needs to go.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:39 am
Just Fire
I think we must agree to disagree.
I do not think you are giving enough credence to what it is like to completely overhaul an organization and not just an offense.
We did not even have computers in the scouting department till this year.
The Redskins and others had a full set of draft picks and were not anywhere near having the cap issues that we had when starting the rebuild.
DA has a four year deal and he will be here for 4 years.
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
Maybe we win 7 next year. Maybe.
If we nail our 2014 draft we may challenge for a playoff spot that year.
I wish it were sooner. I just do not see it based upon the issues this new group has to overcome.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:40 am
Charlie,
It’s not as dire as you project.
We will certainly sign one legit FA. We’ll cut a DHB and a Huff type contract.
I’m looking at Spencer or Bowe.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:41 am
Trade them both. Draft two safeties instead.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:42 am
We are going to have to spend some nickels to resign Bryant.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:42 am
All he has to do is lose the droppsies he developed with Knapp. I think he was so frustrated he couldn’t concentrate because he’s always been a very sure-handed receiver until this year.
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That was a major head scratcher. ALL our WR’s actually. What the hell happened to Dmo? Clank, Clank, CLANK……….
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:43 am
OC- Aaron Kromer
OL- Tony Sparano
ST- Bobby April
LB- Adam Zimmer
Free Agent Targets:
RT- Chad Clifton
WR- Jordan Shipley
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DT- Justin Bannan
OLB- Manny Lawson
ILB- Larry Grant
Draft Option 1:
1- Manti Te’o [ILB, Notre Dame]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Michael Buchanon [DE/OLB, Illinois]
6- Tanner Hawkinson [RT, Kansas]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Draft Option 2:
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB, Texas A&M]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Tanner Hawkinson [RT, Kansas]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Jesse Williams [NT, Alabama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kyle Long [RT, Oregon]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Brandon McGee [CB, Miami]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:44 am
Charlie Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:29 am
Gdog
We simply have no cap room.
The prior regime put us three years behind the rest of the league with cap issues and a lack of picks.
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You can’t tell me that McK will never take on a veteran salary due to cap, or why did he keep Seymour?
It makes no sense.
Imagine what a veteran WR would have done instead of Seymour’s contract this year!
I think he has to learn from these mistakes quickly.
I don’t think Mark Davis is as patient as he said he is… he’s still got Al’s gene’s in him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:47 am
I can see Kelly & Huff re-structuring, and DHB being cut.
Morning.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:47 am
Charlie,
I will definitely agree with you that our lines lack talent, and are grossly overpaid.
That’s a toxic mix.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:49 am
All this talk about our bad 1st rd. draft picks and how it has led to our current state, made me want to compare a bit to another team that has had the same issue, but didn’t have it destroy them.
Chicago Bears.
1st Rd. Picks:
2003-Michael Haynes (14) DE- 5 below avg. seasons traded to New Orleans and cut. No longer in the league.
2003-Rex Grossman QB (22)- Never did much. Currently 3rd string in Wash.
2004-Tommie Harris (14) DT- Pretty decent career. 6 yr’s with the team and one pro bowl. Currently retired.
2005-Cedric Benson (4 pick overall) RB. Did nothing with Bears. Got better after he left to Cincy.
2006-No pick.
2007-Greg Olsen (31) Avg. tight end currently with Carolina.
2008-Chris Williams (14) OT-Complete bust. Often injured. Played backup mostly until finally cut this season.
2009-2010-NO 1st round picks for those 2 seasons due to Cutler trade.
2011-Gabe Carimi (29) OT- Low impact player on porous o-line.
2012-Shea McClellin (19) DE- Had so-so rookie season. May turn out to be decent player.
You would think with such poor drafting in the 1st rd’s. the Bears might be in a similar situation to the Raiders, yet they finished 10-6 and have been perennial contenders in the NFC North the entire decade.
You could wonder how good they may have been if they had drafted well all these yr’s.
They somehow overcame the Cutler trade where they gave up 2 1st. rounders and a 3rd AND a bonafide starter in Kyle Orton AND bad drafts.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:50 am
I like your option #2 DAV…..
Just feel myself leaning towards Lotulelie as our 1st pick over Moore. But I see what you’re thinking if we’re gonna move more to a 3-4. Definately need to stock up on ILB’s. I like the Jackson pick too. I also like Kiko Alonzo as a late pick.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:54 am
1374.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:47 am
I can see Kelly & Huff re-structuring, and DHB being cut.
Morning.
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Man i hope not. It should really be the other way around with DHB restructuring and those two lazy bums cut
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:55 am
Trestman could be good. His offenses have a history of initial success. Big passing and scoring numbrrs….
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:55 am
Yea if we get Star in the 1st, I can see us getting someone like Quanterius Smith in the 3rd..
Id like that too..
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:55 am
I hope DHB restructures and saves himself from being cut.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:55 am
Why did Reggie bring Seymour back this season?
We could have signed a quality FA with that money.
Why did Reggie sign Mike Breisel?
Was that Al Davis’s fault?
Why did Reggie scrap the offense and hire Gregg Knapp?
The only area Reggie has succeeded in is lowering the expectations of Raider fans.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:54 am
1374.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:47 am
I can see Kelly & Huff re-structuring, and DHB being cut.
Morning.
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Man i hope not. It should really be the other way around with DHB restructuring and those two lazy bums cut
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Nothing about Huff was lazy or bum this season.
He sacrificed a year for the team.
DHB is never going to be a pass catcher. So it almost makes no sense to stick with him any longer.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Osi and Freeney both will be free agents this year. Both over 30, won’t command a top 5 contract, would do wonders to shore up the pass rush if Reggie signs them both.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:57 am
We are not cutting Kelly AND not bringing Seymour back.
Huff will be back at FS next year on a restructured contract.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:59 am
I like DHB, but he isnt a natural WR. Never will be.
He can flourish on a team where he has a role, like the Saints.
But he cant be a #1 or #2 WR.. And thats what we’re paying for.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:59 am
Jake Long and Andre Smith, also free agents. Need to sign one of those two. Top ranked FA in 2013 right now is Ryan Clady. Don’t think the donks will let him go though.