Raiders sign three free agents
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, January 3rd, 2013 at 3:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders signed three players after working them out: running back Jon Hoese, nose tackle Johnny Jones and wide receiver Isaiah Williams to reserve/future contracts.
Here’s what the Raiders have to say about the three players in a press release:
The 6-foot-2, 247-pound Hoese was in training camp with the Green Bay Packers in 2012. He was originally signed by the Packers as a non-drafted rookie free agent out of Minnesota, and spent time on Green Bay’s practice squad in 2011. His last name is pronounced HAZE-ee.
The 6-foot-4, 317-pound Jones was with the Packers for the past two seasons. He spent the majority of the 2011 season on Green Bay’s practice squad and was placed on injured reserve during the 2012 preseason. Jones originally signed with the Miami Dolphins as a non-drafted free agent out of Marshall in 2011.
Williams, a 6-foot-2, 204-pound receiver, spent time on the Arizona Cardinals’ practice squad in 2012. He has been with four different teams, including Pittsburgh and Seattle, since entering the NFL as a non-drafted rookie free agent with the Baltimore Ravens in 2009 out of Maryland, where he was teammates with current Raiders WR Darrius Heyward-Bey.
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January 3rd, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Iron Sharpening Iron
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm
signs of the 3-4 switch
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:43 pm
GB players no shock there
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Hopefully, we hire an OC and O-Line coach before the Senior Bowl, so that they can have time to work with the players and give some input.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Best believe that Reggie will be out there scouting talent for the 2013 draft. Having 1st and extended access is a BFD IMO.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
reggie loves his packers practice squad guys.. smh
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:45 pm
“hand”
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Go Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:45 pm
6.408RAIDER Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
reggie loves his packers practice squad guys.. smh
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I don’t thing he’s figured out that we brought him in to add to the Starting lineups. He’s still in his PS duties.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:46 pm
anyone see that other post diaspear?
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I wonder if they are going to cut Pryor to make room on the roster?
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
5.JB Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Best believe that Reggie will be out there scouting talent for the 2013 draft. Having 1st and extended access is a BFD IMO.
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Exactly. As much as i don’t care for DA and Co., it’s important to me that they succeed. In this case, i’d rather eat crow than say i told you so.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Yes, it went somewhere but not back here
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
New front office?
CLEARLY Jarett Jack, and a healthy Curry have you guys winning games. Sucking like hell and ending up with Barnes and Thompson alson helped.
Raiders can follow the same path.
Nail the #3 pick for starters.
Hire a decent OC.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Dennis Allen called coaching the Senior Bowl “a great opportunity. It gives us a chance to get a solid evaluation on these players. …”
Allen continued: “We get a better feel on them because we see them in meetings, we work with them in practice ….”
Allen continued: “and we can determine whether their personality would fit well in our locker room.”
Retweeted by Steve Corkran
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All good reasons why this coaching opportunity is a good thing for us.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
JB Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Yes, it went somewhere but not back here
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Yeah, a bunch of post went with it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
I don’t see the issue with picking up GB players.
Theyu are pretty good, ya know.
Be different if we were taking players from the damn Browns or Bills, lol.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Gdog……you act like sd offenses have stunk lol
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I said they UNDERACHIEVE! Look up underachievement in the dictionary and there’s a pic of Norm.
Good gawd guys.. if you are pining for a retread Raider at least do it for a guy that did well for us. Trestman might take the job and he led the NFL in offense with the Raiders!
I’ll never forget that NYE game where norv called the exact same play four straight times from the one to fail.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Coaching the north in the Senior Bowl is actually HUGE for us. The Whiners said that’s why they drafted Patrick Willis. From coaching him in this All Star Game.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
dayum i spit up my soda! he is so freakin predictable! lmao….if it wasnt so damym idiotic it would be funny!
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Um yes bob myers and jerry wesy…even friit cake rick welts….very different from ckham regime ….do you even pay attention j?
Funny you mention jack but no landry? Ezeli and draymond? Front office got those guys
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
And where the hell is our presser?! I miss Big Al.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Ibe seen raider stagf coach this game ….hahajahahah
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I wonder if they are going to cut Pryor to make room on the roster?
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Mistic just had a stroke without even reading this!
Well played…
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Nail the #3 pick for starters.
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That would be nice. This draft does seem to be a bit thin altho good defensive linemen seem to be available at the top. I’m thinking Hankins from Ohio State.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Not hating on the GB players one bit. I am sure with the talent level and depth that GB has, will be potentail upgrades… It is a good thing that Mumbles has access and a pipeline to GB.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I hate that Laker killer Landry.
Hard for me to type his name.
Your PLAYERS are better. I don’t think we disagree on that, lol.
What are we arguing about?
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
These are amazing signings that finally put us in immediate Super Bowl contention
Seriously though, the Beeech Lawg did grow an extra inch during the Rasta Ganja Hawaiian Brah Tour
Just had one of the Beeeech Dawgettes – my fabulous collection of wasted strippers – do an official measurement with a Farmer John keilbasa
Now that I’m at a cool 13, should have no problem sharing with more than 2 shorties at a time
That was really holding back my personal life
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Yikes… Practice squad for the Cardinals?!
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Zzzzzzzz…..3-4 defense sux…….guarantee a 4-3 team wins bowl again
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Um yes bob myers and jerry wesy…even friit cake rick welts….very different from ckham regime ….do you even pay attention j?
Funny you mention jack but no landry? Ezeli and draymond? Front office got those guys
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Jack has been flat out ridiculous. The Dubs wouldn’t have a winning record without Jarret Jack.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
like i said get ready for a team full of never beens on 1 year contracts…go git em reggie….lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
We not arguing ….im telling you w’s front office is at work here….raiders front office
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:56 pm
30.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Zzzzzzzz…..3-4 defense sux…….guarantee a 4-3 team wins bowl again
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I really hope not, Donkey’s are the only team off the top of my head that run a 4-3 and we don’t want that.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Zzzzzzzz…..3-4 defense sux…….guarantee a 4-3 team wins bowl again
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lst problem with switching to a 3/4 would be it might make sense to keep McLame on the roster to see if he plays better in an odd front. (shudder) I am shuddering just thinking about keeping that stooge here.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Bring bodies in, let them compete, sort em out and see who can contribute as a Raider. Doesn’t mean they’ll be starters here but you never know if they roll dice on one of these dudes and it shows up a Streater.
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Glenny…wrong….without that whole team w’s dont have a winning record
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
No Dr. Robert posting, thought the guy was on meth he posts 24 hours a day
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Switching to a 3-4 creates more unecessary holes in the roster. Just work with what we got and upgrade as you go along.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
38.elraidmanhattan Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
No Dr. Robert posting, thought the guy was on meth he posts 24 hours a day
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Maybe he just finally clucked his Computer
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
W’s have been fun to watch. There is going to be the inevitable slump. That’s when we will really see what type of team we have in the new and improved W’s.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Fellas, here’s good read.
These are pieces of a great article by Chris Brown from smart football, I suggest you look it up on the web yourselves as the full article contains plays and pictures that help explain this stuff.
It’s about the new offensive tendencies that are changing the game.
“I watched a good football game the other day. One team built a big lead over the other with a dizzying array of strategies: shifts, motions, multiple formations, and even read-option plays, where the quarterback decided whether to hand the ball off or keep it himself based on the defense’s movement.
With the score 31-3, I nearly stopped watching.
Then the trailing team sprang to life, scoring four touchdowns in less than a quarter, tying the game 31-31, by throwing the ball 65 times using three, four and five receiver sets and a frenetic no-huddle pace.
The comeback failed, however, as the team that once led by 28 points responded with a quick touchdown of their own, and won 41-34.
It was a good game, but an odd one. What was not strange were the teams’ tactics. In high school and college, football has been rapidly changing. New variations on the read-option, no-huddle and all manner of other new offensive strategies seem to pop up every year. There, change is normal.
But I wasn’t watching two high schools, or even two teams from the Mid-American Conference or the Big 12.
No, what made the game odd was that I was watching the San Francisco 49ers and the New England Patriots in the National Football League.
After years of being resistant to change, the NFL is suddenly using the newest and best ideas all over.
Three of the NFL’s top 10 offenses in yards and four of the top 10 in yards per play all rely to some extent on these innovative schemes.
So why is the NFL changing now? For the same reason change in football always happens: because football is in a moment, a moment when new kinds of ideas meet a new kind of talent.
A new class of young, multitalented quarterbacks who can throw and run – not just one or the other – is dragging the NFL to its future.
About three years ago, Greg Roman, then offensive coordinator at Stanford University, traveled to Reno, Nev., to visit with Nevada Wolf Pack head coach Chris Ault to learn about his “Pistol Offense.”
Before the 2005 season, Ault, unhappy with his offense, presented his staff with a new idea – a shotgun formation with the running back aligned directly behind the quarterback. “They thought I’d lost my marbles,” Ault recently recalled.
But with the “Pistol” Nevada went from near the bottom to the top of its conference in offensive production and over the next few years slowly added additional components to the attack to make it even more effective.
The potency of Ault’s offense peaked during the 2009 season when they finished the season with three 1,000-yard rushers – two running backs as well as lanky junior quarterback, a Colin Kaepernick, who added another 2,000 passing yards and 20 touchdowns.
The following offseason Roman – along with many other coaches from across the country – visited Ault. He wanted to learn how to add some Pistol looks to the pro-style offense he ran at Stanford under head coach Jim Harbaugh.
The next season Stanford added a few such new looks, but did not focus on it. But, as fate would have it, Roman, now the San Francisco 49ers’ offensive coordinator, still under Harbaugh, coaches Kaepernick, the 49ers’ second-round draft pick in 2011. These days he finds himself going back to his notes from those few days he spent in Reno.
Still, even with his inside knowledge of Ault’s attack, and Kaepernick on the 49ers’ roster, Roman and Harbaugh didn’t immediately decide to turn things over to their young quarterback.
Instead, and despite the off-and-on success teams like the Carolina Panthers and the Denver Broncos had dabbling in these concepts with quarterbacks Cam Newton and Tim Tebow in 2011, it was not until this season, when Robert Griffin III entered the NFL and emerged as the Washington Redskins’ starting quarterback, that many other NFL coaches began to realize Ault’s ideas might be the next big thing.
“The Redskins do it more than anybody,” said Roman. “We’re just starting to tap into it now.”
Griffin, the second-overall pick in the 2012 draft, is a preternaturally gifted player with a beautiful throwing motion and a knack for making good decisions on the football field – and he also just happens to have track-star speed.
In college at Baylor, Griffin operated Art Briles’s offense, a no-huddle, fast paced spread-‘em-out-attack which aligned receivers as wide as possible without putting them in the bleachers. Yet while Griffin often ran the ball at Baylor, they rarely used the Pistol look.
In the NFL, however, under the direction of head coach Mike Shanahan and offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and with Griffin at quarterback, the Redskins have made extensive use of Ault’s creation.
When Mike Shanahan was head coach of the Denver Broncos, he melded the West Coast offense he’d used to win a Super Bowl with the zone blocking schemes offensive line coach Alex Gibbs brought from the San Francisco 49ers. Those schemes remain the foundation of the Shanahan-Redskins attack today.
The Shanahans, in search of some way to mesh Griffin’s special talents with the zone blocking schemes they’d made famous nearly 20 years earlier, settled on the Pistol attack created by Ault as the centerpiece of their offense.
It’s worked.
Although the Redskins’ leaky defense and a few close losses have them at 8-6, they have arguably the most efficient offense in the NFL, fourth in total yards and leading the league with 6.2 yards per play. Another rookie, sixth-round draft choice Alfred Morris, is third in the league in rushing, while Griffin is second in the league in passing rating, a remarkable performance by a rookie quarterback.
Although Pistol offense schemes are a big part of the Redskins’ identity, it’s not all they do. Their key to success has been that the Shanahans have found a way to blend the new schemes with what they’ve had success with for many years in the NFL, creating something that is a perfect fit for their uniquely talented rookie quarterback.
“There are no gimmicks in our offense,” Nevada head coach Chris Ault recently explained. “When the shotgun offenses came out, I enjoyed watching those teams move the football. The thing I did not like was the idea of a running back getting the ball running east and west,” he said. “We have always been a north and south running game offense.”
The entire premise of Ault’s pistol attack is to combine the best of the shotgun spread offenses, like Chip Kelly’s attack at Oregon, with the traditional, north-south power attack Ault had coached for more than 20 years. The Pistol alignment is merely the means by which to do it; the “Pistol Offense” is this blend of old and new.
It is easy to see why Ault’s vision had more appeal to the NFL mindset than the “east-west” schemes of Chip Kelly or the other spread offense gurus. The NFL is a league concerned with its image, and, despite the efficacy of those offenses, for the NFL to adopt something as its own it must appeal both to the ego and the mind.
There was never any doubt these concepts would eventually be adopted by NFL coaches as a useful tool in a larger arsenal, but many resisted the notion of ever making the concepts the centerpiece of a team’s offense.
The most common reason cited for such resistance was NFL defenses were simply too fast, too strong, too complex and too good for it to be successful. Yet that always got the point backwards.
Those factors – while all true – also made it inevitable that the NFL would eventually adopt these concepts: Ault’s Pistol zone read attack, Chip Kelly’s no-huddle spread option, and other variants mathematically tip the scales back to the offense’s favor.
It’s basic arithmetic.
“As I’ve tried to explain to people, whenever the guy who takes the snap is a threat to run, it changes all the math of defenses,” Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano said last March.
“That’s really what defense is, it’s getting your troops to where the ball is going to be. And when that guy holding it is a threat to run, it changes the numbers – minus-one.”
And it’s not all about running. The other reason – maybe the major reason – the NFL is now catching on is that they now see the effect these schemes can have on passing.
When the quarterback is a threat to run, defenses must stack the line of scrimmage, opening up passing lanes and one-on-one matchups for wide receivers outside.
“You do read-option, read-option, read-option and then get them to play seven or eight in the box and you’ve got so many variations of plays and passes you can run off that,” Cam Newton said recently.
Indeed, Mike Shanahan thinks that play-action which fakes a zone-read, whether from the pistol or other shotgun sets, is actually better than traditional under-center play-action because of the increased influence it has on linebackers and safeties looking for the run. “Not a little bit more,” said Shanahan. “A lot more”.
Just as Roman and Harbaugh have embraced the trend to take better advantage of Colin Kaepernick’s skills, Seattle Seahawk head coach Pete Carroll has tapped into the best read option concepts as a spark for his offense led by his own dynamic rookie quarterback, Russell Wilson.
Following a 19-13 loss to the St. Louis Rams, Carroll watched film of Griffin’s Redskins attack and saw something he didn’t necessarily expect: an NFL team successfully using the very concepts he’d had to deal with when he was head coach at Southern Cal and faced Chip Kelly’s Oregon team.
“They’re way ahead of everybody else in terms of their commitment to a really college style of offense,” Carroll said of the Redskins. “And it’s been very effective.”.
While the Seahawks have not used the Pistol much this year, they have increasingly adopted the zone read and other college-style schemes. “It just opens you up to the possibility of some things to do,” Carroll explained.
“It was a good move for me and it’s helped us a little bit. I was influenced a little bit more than I thought when I first looked at it. You see some of our stuff coming to life and it’s helping us.”
The common motivation for change in the NFL is not the genius of the coaches, or a desire to be revolutionary, or any kind of special tactical wisdom unforeseen by anyone before.
In the NFL, change is not driven so much by the ideas themselves as by the skills of its players.
In this instance it is the need to find a way that best takes advantage of the dynamic talent of young quarterbacks like Griffin, Kaepernick and Wilson.
As long as more quarterbacks with their skills keep coming into the league, the NFL will continue to adapt.”
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Judge …the man power blocking, 4-3 ball hawking defense, franchise qb led, 2 stud wr, hall of fame TE with home field advantage will win SB…yes they will
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
1998.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:28 pm
I like the thought of Whisenhunt as OC, but he will always be looking for that next HC shot…..so I guess he could try and Hue Jax Dennis Allen next year…..that might work out for the best! But I don’t think he would give us the time of day…..he might be back with Pitt if they dump Haley off on someone.
Norv and Gailey should have that out of their systems by now…..I would rather have Norv out of those two. But experienced guys will probably look for better opportunities on good teams.
For OC I think we will end up with a young assistant o-line coach, or TE coach, or RB coach or WR coach who is currently with the Broncos, Atlanta or NO, or from some team that has a good offense going right now.
I just hope Dennis Allen can get it right this time. My faith in him has hit rock bottom.
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Would rather have Whizenhunt be the head coach ahead of DA.
DA is not a leader of men and it doesn’t seem like he has that “it” factor.
McK got suckered.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Senior Bowl ANNOUNCED ACCEPTANCES
As of 12/28/12
MIKE GLENNON QB NC ST.
EJ MANUEL QB FLORIDA ST.
TYLER WILSON QB ARKANSAS
KENJON BARNER RB OREGON
MONTEE BALL RB WISCONSIN
JOHNATHAN FRANKLIN RB UCLA
MIKE GILLISLEE RB FLORIDA
AARON DOBSON WR MARSHALL
COBI HAMILTON WR ARKANSAS
CHRIS HARPER WR KANSAS ST.
TAVARRES KING WR GEORGIA
AARON MELLETTE WR ELON
QUINTON PATTON WR LA. TECH
MARKUS WHEATON WR OREGON ST.
PHILIP LUTZENKIRCHEN TE AUBURN
VANCE MCDONALD TE RICE
RYAN OTTEN TE SAN JOSE ST.
BRIAN SCHWENKE OC CAL
HUGH THORNTON OG ILLINOIS
JC TRETTER OG CORNELL
LARRY WARFORD OG KENTUCKY
ODAY ABOUSHI OT VIRGINIA
REID FRAGEL OT OHIO ST.XAVIER NIXON OT FLORIDA
DALLAS THOMAS OT TENNESSEE
BRIAN WINTERS OT KENT ST.
RICKY WAGNER OT WISCONSIN
DUSTIN HOPKINS K FLORIDA ST.
QUINN SHARP K OKLAHOMA ST.
CARSON TINKER LS ALABAMA
EZEKIAH ANSAH DE BYU
MICHAEL BUCHANAN DE ILLINOIS
MALLICIAH GOODMAN DE CLEMSON
MARGUS HUNT DE SMU
DATONE JONES DE UCLA
ALEX OKAFOR DE TEXAS
EVERETT DAWKINS DT FLORIDA ST.
COREY GRISSOM DT SOUTH FLORIDA
JORDAN HILL DT PENN ST.
JOHN JENKINS DT GEORGIA
KAWANN SHORT DT PURDUE
BRANDON WILLIAMS DT MO SOUTHERN
KIKO ALONSO LB OREGON
ARTHUR BROWN LB KANSAS ST.
JAMIE COLLINS LB SOUTHERN MISS
ZAVIAR GOODEN LB MISSOURI
KHASEEM GREENE LB RUTGERS
NICO JOHNSON LB ALABAMA
SEAN PORTER LB TEXAS A&M
KEVIN REDDICK LB N. CAROLINA
JOHN SIMON LB OHIO ST.
TREVARDO WILLIAMS LB UCONN
JOHNNY ADAMS CB MICHIGAN ST.
ROBERT ALFORD CB SE LOUISIANA
MARC ANTHONY CB CALJOHNTHAN BANKS CB MISSISSIPPI ST.
WILL DAVIS CB UTAH ST.
DWAYNE GRATZ CB UCONN
LEON MCFADDEN CB SAN DIEGO ST.
JORDAN POYER CB OREGON ST.
DESMOND TRUFANT CB WASHINGTON
B.W. WEBB CB WILLIAM & MARY
BLIDI WREH-WILSON CB UCONN
JONATHAN CYPRIEN S FLORIDA INT’L
ROBERT LESTER S ALABAMA
BACARRI RAMBO S GEORGIA
JJ WILCOX S GA SOUTHERN
SHAWN WILLIAMS S GEORGIA
RYAN ALLEN P LA. TECH
JEFF LOCKE P UCLA
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Zzzzzzzz…..3-4 defense sux…….guarantee a 4-3 team wins bowl again
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lst problem with switching to a 3/4 would be it might make sense to keep McLame on the roster to see if he plays better in an odd front. (shudder) I am shuddering just thinking about keeping that stooge here.
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Posted the exact same thing earlier. A switch would mean we should keep McCheesedik.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Bring bodies in, let them compete, sort em out and see who can contribute as a Raider. Doesn’t mean they’ll be starters here but you never know if they roll dice on one of these dudes and it shows up a Streater.
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True. 2 gi-normous problems with the Raiders this year was depth and special teams. McKenzie is good at finding guys that can do both. Did any of you hear that Adrian Peterson (yeah, THAT Adrian Peterson) wants to play special teams? McLame wanted to fight the coach about it here. Right there is the difference in playoff teams and us.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Posted the exact same thing earlier. A switch would mean we should keep McCheesedik.
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(shudder)
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Terrelle Pryor needs to be developed, he needs to become the back-up next year, keep learning from CP and work on his passing game, if he can become an above average passer he might just be our answer to this whole wave of the future stuff, if not, we won’t lose anything but we have to take a shot with this kid.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Slump? Hardly….w’s winning 55 games ay the least….no holes on that team…and when dre nogz rolls back……..trouble ….trouble …..trouble
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Half the teams this year play a 3-4, other half play 4-3.
It’s all about your QB and pass rushing.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
man these guys dont learn!! quit changing schemes to ones you dont have players for! if ypu do, now you have to get those guys…at the expense of?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:05 pm
43.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Judge …the man power blocking, 4-3 ball hawking defense, franchise qb led, 2 stud wr, hall of fame TE with home field advantage will win SB…yes they will
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If we’re on the same page and talking about ATL, then i could deal with that. As long as it’s not the Bengals, Ravens, Donkeys, Pats, Texans, Niners, Seahawks or Redskins
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Mike Glennon= thats a qb
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
OC Candidates.
Not a lot of candidates stand out from around the League, but a few names might be worth checking out.
Atlanta’s OL Coach and former Fresno State HC Pat Hill, he’s older at 65 I think, but is well respected.
San Francisco’s QB Coach Geep Chryst, another older guy in his 60’s and hasn’t called plays in years, but his work with Alex Smith and Kapernick is intriguing but you always have to winder how much of it was Harbaugh.
Chicago Bears QB Coach Jeremy Bates, he’s young at 36 and his star has dwindled afer a failed 1 year stiny at Seattle but he was considered a rising star in coaching just a couple of years ago, a Gruden and Shanahan disciple.
Indianapolis QB Coach Clyde Christensen, at 56 he’s been in Indy in different capacities for over a decade, worked with Manning as OC, Luck as QB Coach and Marvin Harrison-Reggie Wayne as WR Coach.
I think each of those guys is worth an interview in case they’re interested in the job, Jeremy Bates would be my first interview, followed by Christensen.
And get someone who is willing to study and learn the Pistol-zone-read-whatever so he can implement it into our offense, red-zone packages with TP would be a good way to start.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Wanna know the best thing about the Senior Bowl?
The Beeech Dawg will be hanging out in the penthouse getting a sensational BJ by a wasted stripper while watching White Chicks
HOLLA
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
4.John David Booty Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Hopefully, we hire an OC and O-Line coach before the Senior Bowl, so that they can have time to work with the players and give some input.
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Hiring an OC and OLine coach before the Senior Bowl is an absolute MUST!
Chubby Checker and Tits better make the right hires this time around or there will be hell to pay.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Judge….i dont know if it will happen but bengals in afc title game wont surprise me…im rooting for them so palmer can look even worse lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg…aka the Man.
You crack me up
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Bon…your lisy sicks…especially the niner qn coach…no more niner toes….sick of that phaggot franchise
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Gus mahlzahn auburn
chad morris clemson
phil montgomery baylor
noel mazzone ucla
tom herman ohio state
I think you would have a good chance at getting one of these guys to jump from college and be our coordinator.
Before dismissing them sight unseen as per usual look them up and see what they have done
this would make a lot more sense then trying to hire a former nfl hc for a huge sum of money and a potential problem with the hc looking over his shoulder
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Fk fk fk…i hate this tablet!…..fkin auto spell is a nightmare!…..bob marley your oc list sux….no niner ties ….hate their philosophy…hate their fans hate their colors…..and if you like jerry rice…you can go to hell too!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
4.John David Booty Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Hopefully, we hire an OC and O-Line coach before the Senior Bowl, so that they can have time to work with the players and give some input.
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Hiring an OC and OLine coach before the Senior Bowl is an absolute MUST!
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It’s a good line of thinking but the game is 1/26/13 so i doubt it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:12 pm
62…lol!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Terrelle Pryor needs to be developed, he needs to become the back-up next year, keep learning from CP and work on his passing game, if he can become an above average passer he might just be our answer to this whole wave of the future stuff, if not, we won’t lose anything but we have to take a shot with this kid.
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Can you name one QB in the last five years who came in who looked awful and pulled it together into a solid starting player? I sure can’t.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Mistic …….your list stinks too…..as long as allen is here it won’t make a damn difference
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
@ bob marley
EXCELLENT POST!!!!!
COME ON OAKLAND GET WITH THE TIMES!!!
WE JUST CANT LET OUR COLLECTION OF SPEED DEMONS GO TO WASTE!!!!
PRYOR MOORE DHB STREATER DMAC AND REECE WILL BE TOO MUCH FOR ANY DEFENSE
2013 GO HYBRID!!!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Glenny …can you name the qb wjo has no playoff wins and leads nfl in last decade in pick sixes ?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Any shot that we sign Maluaagagagaga? Draft Star and i’d be one happy fck’n Raider fan.
If it were to happen.
Burris, Mauluga, Wheeler
Star on the line. Yes please!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
67.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
@ bob marley
EXCELLENT POST!!!!!
COME ON OAKLAND GET WITH THE TIMES!!!
WE JUST CANT LET OUR COLLECTION OF SPEED DEMONS GO TO WASTE!!!!
PRYOR MOORE DHB STREATER DMAC AND REECE WILL BE TOO MUCH FOR ANY DEFENSE
2013 GO HYBRID!!!!!
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I actually agree with you on this one. Time to move Pryor to the WR corps and dominate.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
I think you would have a good chance at getting one of these guys to jump from college and be our coordinator.
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Problem with that is he is going to have to learn the league. It took Tarver about 12 weeks to figure that out, which is about right which means next year is toast as well. And once we go 1-6 to start next season, and the offense again in a funk, fans are going to be calling for the ouster of Palmer, Allen and McKenzie. AGAIN.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:16 pm
69.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Any shot that we sign Maluaagagagaga? Draft Star and i’d be one happy fck’n Raider fan.
If it were to happen.
Burris, Mauluga, Wheeler
Star on the line. Yes please!
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I heard he hasn’t been the same since Hines broke his jaw
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Glenny its amazing you didnt think palmer looked awful as well
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:17 pm
68.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Glenny …can you name the qb wjo has no playoff wins and leads nfl in last decade in pick sixes ?
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Tony Romo?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Glenny …can you name the qb wjo has no playoff wins and leads nfl in last decade in pick sixes ?
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I can. And the reason he leads the league in pick sixes is because he can heave the rock. Something Pryor can’t do with any accuracy.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Judge if pryor goes to wr…who is our qb?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:19 pm
76.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Judge if pryor goes to wr…who is our qb?
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Mark Sanchez?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Hahahahahaha…glenny is that best you can come with? …… palmer pick six machine because he is not good…granted being with Knapp didnt help but ten years and nada from him
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Never heard of these players, but anyhow. What the heck, will we do about Peyton “martian head” Manning? I see no answer. We must address P. Manning, with a “strong hold” and head on.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Hey Reggie, if you’re reading this, and I know you are, can DA and hire Kelly before the sun rises in the morning. If you don’t your going down with the ship after next season.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Glenny its amazing you didnt think palmer looked awful as well
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No, I didn’t. But here is the list of guys who I thought did look awful:
In order of appearance:
McFadden
Gordon
Briesel
Jones
Moore
Wisniewski
Heyward-Bey
When that many crucial players are not playing well, it is hard to blame one guy.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Mistic …….your list stinks too…..as long as allen is here it won’t make a damn difference
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LOL stinks?!?!
clemson auburn and baylor have had some of the most explosive offenses in recent history
it would fit for pryor and the boys like a glove
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Sanchez>Palmer …….yes i said it…..guess wjo jas won 4 playoff games? ….. giess wjo has won zero and woll forever be at zero?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:22 pm
BUSH, DID YOU READ POST # 62?????
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?!?!?
NEW FOOTBALL PARADIGM!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
BUSH, DID YOU READ POST # 42?????
DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?!?!?
NEW FOOTBALL PARADIGM!!!
ooops post 42
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
54.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Mike Glennon= thats a qb
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Agree. Right now Glennon is my favorite of the QB’s. His stock will continue to shoot up as teh draft process plays out.
He has good mechanics, good footwork, good accuracy and poise. He can make all the throws also.
I like EJ Manuels upside, but Flor St and Fisher QB’s just don’t pan out in the NFL.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Glenny who touches ball every play? Who is leader of offense? Glenny you arent allowed to talk about running backs like dmac….you defended farglass
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Mistic your list stinks becuz Allen is still head coach…meaning you woll lose 10 games for sure
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Oregon. By 30.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Oh man looks like the AFC west just got a lot more competitive if Reid takes over in KC…
Who do you guys have as some good Defensive Draft picks? The draft is looking pretty deep on that side of ball…thank god because that’s where our main needs are imo.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Carson Palmer= spoiled rich boy who got everything he wanted and when it got tough whay did the rich brat do? Qiit while Bengals made playoffs back to back seasons …..have they ever done that? Palmer sure as hell didnt!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Think I just got a hemorrhoid while beating off on my bear skin rug
Probably has a lot to do with the fact I spilled a large Slurpee in this exact same spot 2 weeks ago
Guess that’s why they call it the blues
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Glenny who touches ball every play? Who is leader of offense? Glenny you arent allowed to talk about running backs like dmac….you defended farglass
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Funny thing is Fargas might have had a better career than McFadden to this point. How can you defend that pile of sh**?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
BUSH, DID YOU READ POST # 42?????
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No, I read post 62 and have been arguing with Brien. I will go to 42 now.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:30 pm
I’ll say to improve our situation about P. Manning is to sign at least five good pass rushers to light him up and cause him to have nightmares about the Silver and Black. If we don’t get rich and deep in the pass rushing department….we will have another below subpar meaningless and outrageous season. Mark me words. Darn! Andy Reid to the Chiefs, another challenge for the Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:31 pm
post 42
the case for pryor
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Reid gokng tk chargers whol woll go to LA by next yeat….wpilda been tjis yeat but that city vote got pushed back to this yeat…….it will be Reid for the LA chargers in 2014
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
91.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Carson Palmer= spoiled rich boy who got everything he wanted and when it got tough whay did the rich brat do? Qiit while Bengals made playoffs back to back seasons …..have they ever done that? Palmer sure as hell didnt!
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If you were here for the Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Daunte Culpepper, McClown, Andrew Walter, (He who shall not be named, etc… Then you know things can definetly be worse than our current QB situation. So give Palmer a break
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
I have no problem that Big Reggie signing these practice squad players, the season isn’t even over yet, who else is available? Remember teams get first crack at there own free agents. Not all of these practice squad players are going to pan out but rest assured these young man will be hungry players.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Raiders need to sign Dj Mbenga and send him on a blitz and let him karate chop Mannings neck and release him the next day.
Boom, problem solved.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Might? Glenny you cant be serious…..dmac was cknsidered by jis peers as one of besy…thats hihest homor ever …….farglass never woill…stand down…why is farglass outta league since 0o…syand down …youre embarrassing yourself
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
B@uce, didn’t know you typed in swahili…nice.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Judge j gl tl every game and fellow bloggers have met me….ive been here for sure….and all tjose qbs you name stomk…but guess what…collins won a playoff game …so did aaron brooks and culpepper ……palmer? …..hahahahahaha
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Raiders need to sign Dj Mbenga and send him on a blitz and let him karate chop Mannings neck and release him the next day.
Boom, problem solved.
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Totally agree, we must do something because, our Raiders team is very unacceptable. Something has to give.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Might? Glenny you cant be serious…..dmac was cknsidered by jis peers as one of besy
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Huh? His peers must be loaded on Henny like yourself. McFadden has done nothing his entire career. We are not talking what he can be. McFadden has been in the league five years and done nothing.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Miami….this schitty auto spell doggin ya plya patna
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
@Follow the B@uceman
What do you think is DMAC’s issue(s)?
Scheme?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Playa *
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:38 pm
this weekend marks history
the playoffs begin and 3 OF THE TEAMS ARE HYBRID OFFENSE WITH WAVE OF THE FUTURE QB’S!!!
CHEW AND SWALLOW IMPOSTOR FANS!!
im out
free tp6
peace
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:39 pm
103.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Judge j gl tl every game and fellow bloggers have met me….ive been here for sure….and all tjose qbs you name stomk…but guess what…collins won a playoff game …so did aaron brooks and culpepper ……palmer? …..hahahahahaha
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Well DA and his Commitment to Regression aren’t taking us to the playoffs anyways so i’m fine with Palmer for now. Could definetly be worse, look at Arizona.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I wonder if they are going to cut Pryor to make room on the roster?
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Just cuz Pryor haters want him cut doesn’t mean he’ll get cut. DA and Reggie would be absolutely stupid to do so. It would rival the hiring of knapp move. It would come back to bite us in the ass. Cut Pryor? No thanks.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Dutch…..scheme is one but his cutback ability aint the greatest….his attitude is lacking some too…but he was discourahed…look at Knapp
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I like the 4-3 better then the 3-4 as well
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:42 pm
The thing with Glennon is that he throws off his back foot a bit too much sometimes and doesn’t step up in the pocket enough when pressured.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Glenny…..dmac five years was better than any fkin thing farglass has done if you deny it..then it meams youre a talentless loser like farglass
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Any practice squad player rostered ever make it big time? Or we just boning up on a really good practice squad?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
103.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Judge j gl tl every game and fellow bloggers have met me….ive been here for sure….and all tjose qbs you name stomk…but guess what…collins won a playoff game …so did aaron brooks and culpepper ……palmer? …..hahahahahaha
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Rich Gannon was in year 11 and he hadn’t won a playoff game!!
WHAT A BUM!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Sanchez>Palmer
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LMAO!
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
110.The_Judge37 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:39 pm
103.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Judge j gl tl every game and fellow bloggers have met me….ive been here for sure….and all tjose qbs you name stomk…but guess what…collins won a playoff game …so did aaron brooks and culpepper ……palmer? …..hahahahahaha
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Well DA and his Commitment to Regression aren’t taking us to the playoffs anyways so i’m fine with Palmer for now. Could definetly be worse, look at Arizona.
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Yeah. DA is just the answer to turning this team around and leading them to tough wins versus divisional opponents and leading them to playoffs sadly.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
116.RaidRaid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Any practice squad player rostered ever make it big time? Or we just boning up on a really good practice squad?
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Arian Foster sat a whole year on the Texans Practice squad.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Judge…palmer can come back becuz team will stink again under allen but dont let bogus stats fopl you…palmer isnt good and will never be a champion starter
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
116.RaidRaid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Any practice squad player rostered ever make it big time? Or we just boning up on a really good practice squad?
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On our team, Marcel Reece comes to mind…
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:46 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
116.RaidRaid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Any practice squad player rostered ever make it big time? Or we just boning up on a really good practice squad?
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Arian Foster sat a whole year on the Texans Practice squad.
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Nice.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Gannon=……a resilt of am era where parity was rampant …see gannon vs stout defenses?….failure …dink amd dunkin gets no PT with the B@uce
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:47 pm
121.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Judge…palmer can come back becuz team will stink again under allen but dont let bogus stats fopl you…palmer isnt good and will never be a champion starter
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I know, i don’t consider him Elite. But i’m happy he’s not John Skelton or Kevin Kolb or Bruce Gradkowski or Mark Sanchez, etc….
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Poprox13….in a playoff game who woild you take….sanchez or palmer?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Judge i agree he aint Sanchez…he cant win playoff games
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
126.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Poprox13….in a playoff game who woild you take….sanchez or palmer?
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Depends if they’re bringing along Rex Ryan’s D or Marvin Lewis’s?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:50 pm
127.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Judge i agree he aint Sanchez…he cant win playoff games
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By that logic, Dan Marino is no Trent Dilfer
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
118.poprox13 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Sanchez>Palmer
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LMAO!
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I do wonder if Sanchez looked good because of the talent that was around him. Sanchez took that contract and his talent disappeared…not worth the contract.
I could see him coming back big time in the future as a backup when the starter goes down.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Im more pissed at allen than palmer to be homest…as much as im mot a palmer fan…allen had him waste a yeat in Knapps scjitty scheme …now he will bring another needle dk who will do nada to ay least get most oitta palmers game….great…if i was palmer id retire again
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:52 pm
So ESPN says Chiefs and Reid on the verge of a deal…Who’s going to S.D?
We better bring a real o.c and some head hunters on D.It’s about to get real in the AFC West.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Judge ….dilfer the champ….little dan? Loser
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:23 pm
BUSH, DID YOU READ POST # 42?????
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OK, here is my take on this “new paradigm” as you call it. lst off, what this “new” offense is a wrinkle of Paul Johnsons triple option that he ran for years at Georgia Southern and then is running at Georgia Tech. I know Paul Johnson and have seen the advent of this offense in major college programs for decades. Admittedly, it is a very difficult offense to stop especially if you don’t see it often.
That last line is what I have been saying all year to you. So, Ault took the triple option that Johnson ran, and incorporated the passing game into it, mainly from a shotgun formation. Very interesting wrinkle. Fast forward to the pro game, and this becomes an INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT offense to stop because pro Q’s can complete passes with ease. Throw in option running and whooo hoo, this is a tough thing to figure out how to slow it down, more or less stop it.
But there are inherent problems with this offense. lst off the obvious: do you REALLY want your franchise Q running around because the league has dictated that the second he takes off he is treated as a running back. Do you really want a $100mm guy taking real hard shots? Now, some are going to say we are going to powder puff football anyway, so that doesn’t matter. I would beg to differ.
“The following offseason Roman – along with many other coaches from across the country – visited Ault. ”
Notice this line from the article Marley posted. THIS is what I have been telling you ALL YEAR. Football coaches do not have the ability to create an entirely new defense each week for an opponent. They just do not have time to do that. So, by creating a new style offense, DC’s are going to run their tried and true defenses, hoping to create some edge or find some weakness. RIGHT NOW, all the advantage goes to the offensive teams for two reasons: lst off it all boils down to who has the better athletes in this game. When a couple of teams realized they had better athletes, they utilized those athletes with this system against the standard paradigm and created mismatches. But my point is during the offseason, coaches will go to seminars, huddle with each other, go to coaching symposiums and figure out how to stop this offense. I gave you a minor breakdown on how I would do it. Funny thing is Belichik did almost exactly what I said on how to stop it in the game that Marleys article describes.
Bottom line, until this offense wins two or three Super Bowls, I look at it as a novelty like the Wild Cat. Which went the way of the dodo and the pager.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Poprox13….in a playoff game who woild you take….sanchez or palmer?
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Easy……… Palmer
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:53 pm
B is stroking out…
DMAC is a woman
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Be back later to discuss the topic of how good a receiver CAN Pryor become?
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
So Reid to sd? Doubt it ….bad move if so lol…..starting from scratch with geno Smith?….fired by 2015
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
132.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:52 pm
So ESPN says Chiefs and Reid on the verge of a deal…Who’s going to S.D?
We better bring a real o.c and some head hunters on D.It’s about to get real in the AFC West.
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Reid did know how to get the most out of his RB’s, so hopefully Jamal Charles ACL explodes out of his body. But other than that i don’t really fear Andy Reid.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Trestman yo
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Poprox13…..lol how come sanchez has wkn in playoffs and palmer mo?…..aait didnt sanchez beat palmer as a rookie? Hahahahahaha
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:56 pm
137.Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Be back later to discuss the topic of how good a receiver CAN Pryor become?
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Ronald Curry good hopefully
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Naw Bo youre striking out with that Mark Hamel hairdo of yours….use that light saber to get yourself a new haircut
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Judge, I’m not fearing Reid either but they will be better under him than Romeo.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Trestwoman sux …..no more niners
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Poprox13…..lol how come sanchez has wkn in playoffs and palmer mo?…..aait didnt sanchez beat palmer as a rookie? Hahahahahaha
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huh? And as far as Sanchez beating Palmer, not true, the Jets beat the Bengals. A team is more than just the QB.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Trestwoman sux
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Good, something we can agree on.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
144.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Judge, I’m not fearing Reid either but they will be better under him than Romeo.
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Yeah, let’s just hope Andy Promotes the Janitor to Defensive Coordinator like he did in Philly.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Auto spell blows …….poprox….sanchez has won in January ….palmer never…..sanchez beat palmer at home as well…..remember that
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Is DA friends with Carmichael? He likes to hire his homeboys.
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:59 pm
139.The_Judge37 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:54 pm
132.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:52 pm
So ESPN says Chiefs and Reid on the verge of a deal…Who’s going to S.D?
We better bring a real o.c and some head hunters on D.It’s about to get real in the AFC West.
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Reid did know how to get the most out of his RB’s, so hopefully Jamal Charles ACL explodes out of his body. But other than that i don’t really fear Andy Reid.
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Really? I thought that Reid hates to run the ball and the Eagles are always loop-sided towards throwing a ton? I reamember we beat the Eagles in the JRussell era because Reid refused to run the ball.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Qb is the leader…..they always talk about a qbs win loss record dont they? Why is that? Qb driven league? Who knew lmao
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
That move, Castillo to D.C was as baffling as Rex brining in Sparano and the Teblow move.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Did Sully get banned? Haven’t seen him around these parts lately.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Anyways its 5pm….time to get drunk……see yall later
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Blind niner hate is not a good look Genital…
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Really? I thought that Reid hates to run the ball and the Eagles are always loop-sided towards throwing a ton? I reamember we beat the Eagles in the JRussell era because Reid refused to run the ball.
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They’ve always had great RB’s and uses them in the passing game. Duece Staley, McCoy, Westbrook
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Let’s say Oakland decides to go Wave of the Future. Is Pryor THAT guy?
We definitely NEED receivers who can catch the dang ball.
So Pryor was 13-28 on Sunday? Four drops…so he really should have been 17 -28 with 2 td’s and a rush td.
The interception was a bad throw…it happens.
17-28 with 2 td’s is pretty good for a 1st start on a wet day.
If he can get more zip on the ball then we could be in business…need to see that.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Silly is dr roberta and a few others ….the homo never leaves
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
152.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Qb is the leader…..they always talk about a qbs win loss record dont they? Why is that? Qb driven league? Who knew lmao
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True, but there are glaring contradictions to this. I cannot give Ponder credit for the Vikings making the playoffs, the credit should go to AP and it does. Just one example…
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Autoebonic?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:05 pm
160.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:04 pm
152.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Qb is the leader…..they always talk about a qbs win loss record dont they? Why is that? Qb driven league? Who knew lmao
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True, but there are glaring contradictions to this. I cannot give Ponder credit for the Vikings making the playoffs, the credit should go to AP and it does. Just one example…
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Their Defense has been good for a while too.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Whoa genital? Nice original one there Bo Slimdicher….now use one thay is yours and doesnt suck….i wont wanna Clowney your ass…dont fumble bruh
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
swallow your pride DA and promote saunders to OC already
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Cut McFairy
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:07 pm
164.RaiderRick81 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:06 pm
swallow your pride DA and promote saunders to OC already
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I don’t know about that one. Might be a reason he’s hasn’t been an OC in a while. He was just a booth coach for Hue.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Dry genital played…been elsewhere
Trestman is a Raider
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Lol Sry
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Maybe autoNoSoul for you eh Winthorpe?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Let’s say Oakland decides to go Wave of the Future. Is Pryor THAT guy?
We definitely NEED receivers who can catch the dang ball.
So Pryor was 13-28 on Sunday? Four drops…so he really should have been 17 -28 with 2 td’s and a rush td.
The interception was a bad throw…it happens.
17-28 with 2 td’s is pretty good for a 1st start on a wet day.
If he can get more zip on the ball then we could be in business…need to see that.
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Funny, everyone brings up the what if’s and what could have beens when it’s convenient but thats the reality. Those could have been Pryors numbers.
What if Hue was coaching him? Shut up! Fire Reggie, shut up! lol
Nice post as always, Dj.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Trade TP
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Trestwoman is a niner who frequents Lance Bass’ home
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Bring back Joe Aska!
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Hey you Terrelle PRYOR fans.. got some good news.
Just heard DENNIS ALLEN interview on 95.7 the game right now.
Heard it straight from the coaches mouth. They have plans for Pryor going foward to be in this offense. Dennis Allen is excited to see what PRYOR can be at quarterback!
Dennis Allen said he will be looking the right man for the JOB at OC.. one of hte DJ’s pointed out that Dennis Trusted Knapp to run the offense and he got burnt.
Dennis Allen also excited about TERRELL PRYORS LEADERSHIP and his ENGERGY.
Coach DA said 3 things lacking going into this game that were IMPROVED instantly once PRYOR was qb. RED ZONE was IMPROVED 3/3
3rd downs were improved and moving the ball downfield. DA like Pryors Athleticism and his ability to make PLAYS ON THE FLY.
The DJ also pointed out u wouldnt know what uf have in pryor in practice because it wasnt a live game situation.
DA agreed with that and said he was SUSPRISED in a good way with PRYOR on SUNDAY. DA said the game was not to big for PRYOR and he loved his poise and his leadership. They have plans going forward with pryor.
Thats what DA said about half hr ago. So it was nice to hear from COACH DA’s mouth. He is excited about PRYOR.
I think someone pointed it out here that after a first down in the 1st quarter PRYOR went to knapp and tapped him on the shoulder like joking with him.. and DA was looking right into pryors face and he looked happy and pleased at what pryor was doing.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Winthorpe = weak racism B
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Dutch good point ….adrian peterson’s roids carried minny…yeah he is off the juice
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Well let’s see. In terms of Defensive Draft we have:
1) Star Lotulelei
(upside: great power, fills an immediate need at DT
downside: has the name of a porn-star, and played at Utah)
2)Demontre Moore
(upside: has great speed as a pass-rusher
downside:3-4 OLB, could be a “project” at DE & he went to Dennis Allen’s school, which could mean that he does not know anything about reading an offense)
3) Barkevious Mingo
(upside: A long frame, elite first step and good speed,
downside: He is called “Barkevious”, and he played for LSU–whose recent alums have not fared well with the Silver and Black lately…)
4)Manti Te’O
(upside great leadership skills, which we have been lacking at LB since Biekert good interception skills
downside: WAY TOO HYPED, you just know a guy like that will never pan-out, although he may help with our penalty problems)
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Autoebonic wasnt weak racism Bo?…. come on you outta mmow better …im not these other ones who cant handle
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Lmfao
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Know *
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Weak is your tab settings … Get taught
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Raidertalk lol too funny on tx am
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Weak? You mean like your jumper?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Gruden is not coming, spend some money on Ray Lewis before ESPN dumps all that loot on him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:16 pm
BSJ = blacker than Ms. Dixon
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
176.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Dutch good point ….adrian peterson’s roids carried minny…yeah he is off the juice
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So you think McFadden should maybe train with AP on the offseason?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Never needed a jumper on ground bound oakholians…still bust reg
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Anyhow …time to get drunk….yall have at it…enjoy when roberta aka silly comes by again…as you know he is a scout guru afterall
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Enoy the drank!
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:18 pm
J Hill Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:51 pm
I don’t see the issue with picking up GB players.
Theyu are pretty good, ya know.
Be different if we were taking players from the damn Browns or Bills, lol.
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It doesn’t matter where they come from as long as they can play. But to assume just because they come from GB makes them good is ignorant Jhill. Reggie has been dragging these bums from GB all year and only a few have panned out out of several.
If GB PS players are soo good they should start ‘em because a lot of their starters suck.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Roll Tide
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:20 pm
BJ slimdicher will be blacker than a Dixon when greg knapp knows how to not get fired as an oc
Please bo….spare us …damian lillard and j kidd style you would get locked…and the key would be thrown away
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Change. Oregon by 33. Not 30.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Outro
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:21 pm
U guys need to realize these green bay guys Reggie brought in or some of the leftover guys he has been scouting from his days in the GREEN BAY FRONT OFFICE.
DA just said on 95. 7 the game that PRYOR is in the plans moving foward at the qb. DA loved PRYORS leadership and how the game wasnt to big for him.
Heard it from the coaches mouth. BOOM
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
HEY PREISTT
and other Terrelle PRYOR fans.. got some good news.
Just heard DENNIS ALLEN interview on 95.7 the game right now.
Heard it straight from the coaches mouth. They have plans for Pryor going foward to be in this offense. Dennis Allen is excited to see what PRYOR can be at quarterback!
Dennis Allen said he will be looking the right man for the JOB at OC.. one of hte DJ’s pointed out that Dennis Trusted Knapp to run the offense and he got burnt.
Dennis Allen also excited about TERRELL PRYORS LEADERSHIP and his ENGERGY.
Coach DA said 3 things lacking going into this game that were IMPROVED instantly once PRYOR was qb. RED ZONE was IMPROVED 3/3
3rd downs were improved and moving the ball downfield. DA like Pryors Athleticism and his ability to make PLAYS ON THE FLY.
The DJ also pointed out u wouldnt know what uf have in pryor in practice because it wasnt a live game situation.
DA agreed with that and said he was SUSPRISED in a good way with PRYOR on SUNDAY. DA said the game was not to big for PRYOR and he loved his poise and his leadership. They have plans going forward with pryor.
Thats what DA said about half hr ago. So it was nice to hear from COACH DA’s mouth. He is excited about PRYOR.
I think someone pointed it out here that after a first down in the 1st quarter PRYOR went to knapp and tapped him on the shoulder like joking with him.. and DA was looking right into pryors face and he looked happy and pleased at what pryor was doing.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Slimdicher c’mon! Take some time to think
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:24 pm
More GB garbage?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thanks for the info RaidersAllday!
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Shut up Sharmoota! lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
http://youtu.be/CCCombuZXwY
PROFILE ON NEW RUNNING BACK JON HOESE. in his twitter he describes himself as RIGGINS
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Can’t remember who it was, but someone on this blog noted McKenzie and his scouts really like Collin Klein.
Well, Kansas State-Oregon Fiesta Bowl is kicking off soon. Get a look at Klein yourself.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Dion Jordan anyone?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Just saw a bit of Chornicle Live with Bill Romo as the guest.
Romo said O should be built around McFadden, said Knapp is a good football coach.
Host went on to say Chris Ault at OC and run Pistol for Pryor.
Romo responded with “Tim Tebow will be out there and he runs the Pistol better than any quarterback anywhere, right now”
That’s when I switched over to ESPN…
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Reggie is a fraud and a loser.DA is a tranny and a loser.Try not to expect much till they are gone.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Sharmoota?! Lol
I’m Sharmoot ya Qurd!
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Oakfshow
Mark Davis is a fraud and loser. Try not to expect much till he’s gone.
There fixed it for you.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Happy New Year hyaty! lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:30 pm
B@uce, if a position coach or assistant coach or a free agent or a p[ayer in the draft ever went to a 49er game even if they were only six years old and their dad made them go, would it be OK to bring ‘em on board the Raiders?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Fire bottom lip and the tranny.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Oregon just socked Kansas in the mouth.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Oakfshow
Raiders won’t be any good until Mark Davis is gone.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:33 pm
MiamiRaider78
Yes they did.
Kansas State better respond before Chip Kelly and his Ducks step on K-State’s throat.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:34 pm
212.jackasspuria Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Oakfshow
Raiders won’t be any good until Mark Davis is gone.
================================================== And this is based on what?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Oakfshow
He hired Reggie McKenzie and approved of the DA hire.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Not to much of a fan of Kleins throwing motion/delivery.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:36 pm
174.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Hey you Terrelle PRYOR fans.. got some good news.
Just heard DENNIS ALLEN interview on 95.7 the game right now.
Heard it straight from the coaches mouth. They have plans for Pryor going foward to be in this offense. Dennis Allen is excited to see what PRYOR can be at quarterback!
Dennis Allen said he will be looking the right man for the JOB at OC.. one of hte DJ’s pointed out that Dennis Trusted Knapp to run the offense and he got burnt.
Dennis Allen also excited about TERRELL PRYORS LEADERSHIP and his ENGERGY.
Coach DA said 3 things lacking going into this game that were IMPROVED instantly once PRYOR was qb. RED ZONE was IMPROVED 3/3
3rd downs were improved and moving the ball downfield. DA like Pryors Athleticism and his ability to make PLAYS ON THE FLY.
The DJ also pointed out u wouldnt know what uf have in pryor in practice because it wasnt a live game situation.
DA agreed with that and said he was SUSPRISED in a good way with PRYOR on SUNDAY. DA said the game was not to big for PRYOR and he loved his poise and his leadership. They have plans going forward with pryor.
Thats what DA said about half hr ago. So it was nice to hear from COACH DA’s mouth. He is excited about PRYOR.
I think someone pointed it out here that after a first down in the 1st quarter PRYOR went to knapp and tapped him on the shoulder like joking with him.. and
DA was looking right into pryors face and he looked happy and pleased at what pryor was doing.
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I heard it as well. As I stated yesterday when I changed my stance on DA. I watched the game again after listening to DA’s post-season presser and he obviously was surprised by Pryor’s moxey and leadership. These are the things I was trying to point out before the game. Everyone was going to focus on his stats good or bad but what was most important to me is his leadership and competitiveness. As far as playing the position I wasn’t one bit worried about him. I wanted Pryor to get his chance so everyone could see what I already knew. He can play, it was a matter of them giving him a chance before they just dismissed him and cut him and then explain it away as he was dumb and couldn’t cut it at this level. Those were my only concerns.
Once I knew he was starting I knew it would take care of itself. This kid is a fierce competitor as I have been saying. They didn’t know what they had because they were too busy looking at him as one of Al Davis’ HWS players and never give him the benefit of the doubt. Thanks to Mark Davis that didn’t happen and now DA saw what he needed to see and fired that lazy ass Knapp. DA has to look into the future and get the kind of coach who can use Pryor and everything he has to offer. That is the key to getting this org. to the top using the talent properly which was sorely lacking this year.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:37 pm
MiamiRaider78
Agreed.
That wind up, then motion and release is weird, isn’t it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Happy new year habibi.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:41 pm
It is! Teablow ish.
Ducks are going to put up 35 points in this half if they score again during this next possesion.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:45 pm
DA excited about Pryor. Awesome. The new OC better design the o around Palmer and Pryor. Not some failed experiment like we just witnessed. I think the new OC will have more options with Pryor.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Romo must be related to Tebow he says some of the craziest things about that guy. I think it’s religious in nature more than anything.
Tebow couldn’t carry Pryor jock on POryor’s worse day. The athlleticism isn’t even close and neither is the ability to play QB at this level. What Tebow doens’t allow you to do is practice at a high level. Most players play how they practice and when you try to practice with tebow he is way to inconsistent to get in a practice at a high level. Therefore when you go into a game the only one who is confident in the gameplan is Tebow and that’s why the offense struggles teh wya it does.
Your QB has to be the most efficient during practice because taht’s where the rest of the players get there confidence from. Tebow wont allow you to do that. He just wants to go out and wing-it. At this level that just can’t work.
Pryor allows you to practice and be at your peak during the week so when Sunday comes you are very confident.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:48 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Well let’s see. In terms of Defensive Draft we have:
1) Star Lotulelei
(upside: great power, fills an immediate need at DT
downside: has the name of a porn-star, and played at Utah)
2)Demontre Moore
(upside: has great speed as a pass-rusher
downside:3-4 OLB, could be a “project” at DE & he went to Dennis Allen’s school, which could mean that he does not know anything about reading an offense)
3) Barkevious Mingo
(upside: A long frame, elite first step and good speed,
downside: He is called “Barkevious”, and he played for LSU–whose recent alums have not fared well with the Silver and Black lately…)
4)Manti Te’O
(upside great leadership skills, which we have been lacking at LB since Biekert good interception skills
downside: WAY TOO HYPED, you just know a guy like that will never pan-out, although he may help with our penalty problems)
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I would add Bjoern Werner to the top of that list, why isn’t he gettin any love in here? I watched tape from all the top pass rushers and Werners looked the best imo, the guy is a beast.
Plus he is a Reggie type if you use last years draft as an example of what Reggie is lookin for, he is from overseas, he is married, he has a motor that never stops, his game tape is great. The 2 d-linemen we took last year were both from overseas and his first pick was/is married. Werner has it all lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:52 pm
It’s only a minute-and-a-half long but….
Bjoern Werner…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dbGvKbXSpQ
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Why do the Raiders get to coach in senior bowl? Consolation?
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
I was thinking about some of the contributors to this blog today. Dude reality is we are not that good and have not been for some time. If I thought we were one or two players away from making the playoffs and going deep…that would be one thing. But that ain’t our team and hasn’t been. What is happening HAD to happen to move us from where we are to where a lot of posters think we are…
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RaidRaid
ProFootballTalk.com and other sites say Raiders-Lions got the coaching jobs because the Chiefs have no head coach and the Jaguars are still looking for a GM ( and that could affect the coaching staff).
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
The worse teams get to coach Senior bowl.
KC chiefs were asked 1st. They couldnt do it cuz they dont even have a staff right now.
Jaguars were being dumb and turned it down.
Raiders got what they wanted. DA on monday said hopefully they get to coach the senior bowl.
Steve Corkran@CorkOnTheNFL
Vikings, Redskins coached Senior Bowl in 2012 and are in playoffs this season.
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Allen would be very wise to hire Hue Jackson as the new OC and Tom Canle as the oline coach. Yes he would be wise to do so. Jax and Cable understand Raider football. You have to have coaches that want to be Raiders. Allen and them just ant to be coaches. Bring back Wiz1.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:58 pm
RaidRaid
ProFootballTalk.com and other sites say Raiders-Lions got the coaching jobs because the Chiefs have no head coach and the Jaguars are still looking for a GM ( and that could affect the coaching staff).
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Gotcha. Thanks
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Oregon Baby!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Raider Guy Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:57 pm
I was thinking about some of the contributors to this blog today. Dude reality is we are not that good and have not been for some time. If I thought we were one or two players away from making the playoffs and going deep…that would be one thing. But that ain’t our team and hasn’t been. What is happening HAD to happen to move us from where we are to where a lot of posters think we are…
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We are who we thought we are. Were. Are.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Droid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Allen would be very wise to hire Hue Jackson as the new OC and Tom Canle as the oline coach. Yes he would be wise to do so. Jax and Cable understand Raider football. You have to have coaches that want to be Raiders. Allen and them just ant to be coaches. Bring back Wiz1.
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Avoid the droid.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:13 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:52 pm
It’s only a minute-and-a-half long but….
Bjoern Werner…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dbGvKbXSpQ
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I’d like to see him become OUR J.J. Watt minus twenty lbs.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Raider Guy Says:
I was thinking about some of the contributors to this blog today. Dude reality is we are not that good and have not been for some time. If I thought we were one or two players away from making the playoffs and going deep…that would be one thing. But that ain’t our team and hasn’t been. What is happening HAD to happen to move us from where we are to where a lot of posters think we are…
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Two 8-8 seasons made some fools think we were on the verge of greatness.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Tj, Pryor Sucks in practice, thats why Papa was surprised. With the results of the last game…..
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Romo must be related to Tebow he says some of the craziest things about that guy. I think it’s religious in nature more than anything.
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Tony Romo? Or Romanoski? Surely Bill isn’t religious. Tony – I could see that.
Tony married some girl that went to a crazy religious wingnut high school a couple of miles from me called Trinity Christian Academy. They teach creationism, Earth is 5000 years old crazy crap.
Tim Tebow is on the front page of their web site. I ain’t lying. lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Good to sign in and see we signed the free agents that are gonna take us to the next level. Reg is a GENIUS this proves it.
No worries 2013 is a lock for 1st place now. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPbdV_jrr-Q
Heres some more highlights of the Germanator, he does remind me of JJ Watt, he bats down hella balls and gots some moves to get after QB plus power.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Two 8-8 seasons made some fools think we were on the verge of greatness.
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Well, we were at least on our way to 9-7. Not 4-12.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Two 8-8 seasons made some fools think we were on the verge of greatness.
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Yeah because the last few times we had back to back 8-8 seasons (one time it was 7-9 and then 8-8) we then went on to make damn good runs, we never have went backwards until now…silly us…..
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:35 pm
I’m not sold on the German kid, but I wasn’t sold on JJ Watt, so who knows…. I like Brandon Jenkins and D Moore.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
The Raiders signed three players after working them out: running back Jon Hoese, nose tackle Johnny Jones and wide receiver Isaiah Williams
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Attn: McFadden, Seymour & Ford
kick rocks !!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:37 pm
hendu Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Tj, Pryor Sucks in practice, thats why Papa was surprised. With the results of the last game…..
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That would be an amazing observation since he never practiced until a week ago.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Raider Guy Says:
I was thinking about some of the contributors to this blog today. Dude reality is we are not that good and have not been for some time. If I thought we were one or two players away from making the playoffs and going deep…that would be one thing. But that ain’t our team and hasn’t been. What is happening HAD to happen to move us from where we are to where a lot of posters think we are…
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Two 8-8 seasons made some fools think we were on the verge of greatness.
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That is pure BS. Raiders were on the way to at least a playoff run. Some d-bag new coach decided to bring in one of the worst OC’s in the NFL and change the offense.
The talk last year at this time was “Fix the defense, cut down penalties, DMAC will be back with Palmer, Palmer will have full offseason” etc etc.
You can’t be apologetic about this year (4-12). Bad decisions were made. The window of opportunity was short. The “8-8 with potential” is way gone and it’s time to rebuild.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Packers director of operations John Dorsey being considered for KC’s GM gig ??
is Ron Wolf trying to push him out the door, too?
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:49 pm
The talk last year at this time was “Fix the defense, cut down penalties, DMAC will be back with Palmer, Palmer will have full offseason” etc etc.
You can’t be apologetic about this year (4-12). Bad decisions were made. The window of opportunity was short. The “8-8 with potential” is way gone and it’s time to rebuild.
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Raid = realistic, logical
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:50 pm
@ RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Great tip just heard the interview online.
looks like pryor is the man moving forward lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:52 pm
THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IS NOW IN OAKLAND!!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:55 pm
I really like that Werner kid, he has a non-stop motor and great instincts, always blowing up screens, reverses, etc.
Would rather have him over Jarvis Jones. He has a lot of Jared Allen in him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Oregon is fast.
January 3rd, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Mistic1 I think DA’s eyes were opened in that game. He looked at Pryor and did a double take like damn where has this guy been. It was definitely a revelation to him. Knapp tried to play it off and Pryor just kind of placated him. It was a very interesting exchange.
But bottom line is DA was pleasantly surprised at Pryor’s moxey and the film confirmed it all. For kid to take the huddle and take the bull by the horns the way Pryor did spoke volumns. It got Knapp fired….
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Pryor proved to be a lot sharper than the staff ever believed he would be. I suspect this staff made several assumptions about some players they ought not have. Maybe from now on they wont be so dismissive.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Why are people so upset that Reggie is signing guys like this? Do they think we will be signing Peyton Manning right now?
It is really hard to take people seriously that criticize for the sake of criticizing. Probably the same people that were straight up rooting against the Raiders the last few games.
These signings are the equivalent to a baseball team’s non roster spring training invites. If you are getting mad at these moves, then you are seriously delusional in your expectations. Putting some guys in place for the 90 man Training Camp roster, and that is all. Nothing to lose sleep over.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
QB Palmer
RB McFadden
FB Reece
WR Heyward-Bey
WR Moore
WR Streater
TE Myers
LT Veldheer
LG Nix/Foster
C Wiz II
RG Carlisle
RT Bergstrom
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I’m assuming those ex-texan clowns Leinart & Brisiel will be purged. Knapp & Pollack gone makes a Top 10 offense alone, eh?
I see another 4-6 win team next year with the starters above
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
That is pure BS. Raiders were on the way to at least a playoff run. Some d-bag new coach decided to bring in one of the worst OC’s in the NFL and change the offense.
The talk last year at this time was “Fix the defense, cut down penalties, DMAC will be back with Palmer, Palmer will have full offseason” etc etc.
You can’t be apologetic about this year (4-12). Bad decisions were made. The window of opportunity was short. The “8-8 with potential” is way gone and it’s time to rebuild.
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Word.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
We had 7 points through 53 minutes and people are ecstatic about it.
I am all for canning Palmer, but not for scoring 7 points in 53 minutes.
Those last two TD’s were the same meaningless garbage-time junk Palmer was doing all season.
Does nobody not remember the 2nd to last drive of the game? 2 horribly thrown incompletions and a fumble?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
QB Palmer
RB McFadden
FB Reece
WR Heyward-Bey
WR Moore
WR Streater
TE Myers
LT Veldheer
LG Nix/Foster
C Wiz II
RG Carlisle
RT Bergstrom
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I’m assuming those ex-texan clowns Leinart & Brisiel will be purged. Knapp & Pollack gone makes a Top 10 offense alone, eh?
I see another 4-6 win team next year with the starters above
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If that is what the starting roster ends up looking like, Reggie should be served walking papers.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Hue Jackson for OC.
Tom Cable for O Line coach.
Guaranteed success.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:07 pm
hey guys, Palmer might be a playoff calibur QB if we get him 3 new O-Line starters and two proven WR’s
oh yeah, plus a highly coveted OC and pair of durable RB’s
LOL!!
odds are, Ford comes off of I.R. to replace Hagan. McFadden & Goodson both return and get hurt (again). Saunders is named OC and we get a few undrafted players of FA’s nobody else wants to patch up the OL
result = playoffs?
NO…
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Droid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Hue Jackson for OC.
Tom Cable for O Line coach.
Guaranteed success.
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Don’t forget to bring in Lane Kiffen to coach special teams.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Does nobody not remember the 2nd to last drive of the game? 2 horribly thrown incompletions and a fumble?
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The ball was wet. But that’s besides the point. Jackson will fix all that if we hire him. And Cable will build us a oline.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Didn’t one of the beat guys tweet this week that the staff is not “enamored” with Jacoby?
Should have traded him last draft. I think he might have had the most trade value of anyone on our roster, with his production and contract.
Got to buy low and sell high. Too often we have been buying high and selling low.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Hue Jackson for OC.
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Droid,
Hue Jax for ST Coach!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Where’s Bob Wylie?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
mcthompso Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Why are people so upset that Reggie is signing guys like this? Do they think we will be signing Peyton Manning right now?
It is really hard to take people seriously that criticize for the sake of criticizing. Probably the same people that were straight up rooting against the Raiders the last few games.
These signings are the equivalent to a baseball team’s non roster spring training invites. If you are getting mad at these moves, then you are seriously delusional in your expectations. Putting some guys in place for the 90 man Training Camp roster, and that is all. Nothing to lose sleep over.
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Everyone is aware of this, but does Reggie know there are 30 other teams out there? It makee you wonder just how well he knows the league. You cannot be that limited in your scope. Everything is GB PS, damn expand your scope a bit.
There are some very good players on PS’s throughout the league he ONLY focuses on GB. It’s a bit annoying.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
The ball was wet?
LOL…..well good thing that will NEVER happen again.
I think the sloppy turf helped him more than it hurt him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
With knapp gone and DA finally growing a pair, everybody gets better. Especially if we bring back Jackson and Cable.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Didn’t one of the beat guys tweet this week that the staff is not “enamored” with Jacoby?
Should have traded him last draft.
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Who called it first, JFB?
JFORD = hot garbage!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Where’s Bob Wylie?
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He’s here. Just saw him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Hue Jackson has a better chance of getting hired as a HC than an OC.
Not that he will even be intereviewed for a HC gig, but after stabbing well regarded Tom Cable in the back and rubbing his 2nd straight organization the wrong way, no HC will hire him on as an OC.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Sup gents
you guys are still going hard. Hope we get Teo or Germanator. BTW, Pryor showed a lot of poise and leadership out there. It seems Allen and mgmt saw the same thing. On to the Senior Bowl…speaking of which, when is it? Later.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Mark should change the name of the coliseum to Metamusil Stadium.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:17 pm
College coach is more Hue’s speed, and I think he would excel at it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Oh one more thing, Tom Cable had the Raiders playing its best ball late in the season since the SB year. Still love that guy. Glad to see him doing well in Seattle.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Hue Jackson has a better chance of getting hired as a HC than an OC.
Not that he will even be intereviewed for a HC gig, but after stabbing well regarded Tom Cable in the back and rubbing his 2nd straight organization the wrong way, no HC will hire him on as an OC.
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That’s too bad. I thought they made a good pair of coaches for the Raiders.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Reggie is killing the Raiders.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Jackson is a position coach, like Knapp.
nothing more – nothing less
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Saw the headline and was hoping it was MM34 and Des Bryant and Wheeler. Oh well.
I don’t think we can get anything for McClain in trade, but I wonder if we could get maybe a 3rd for Branch. I’d do that in a heartbeat if I were Chubs. MM34 is a better player. Sadly, if Steve’s suggestions from the other day’s chat is on target ( which is sometimes iffy) then Chubs and Denise are letting MM34 walk. Big mistake.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
hendu Says:
Tj, Pryor Sucks in practice, thats why Papa was surprised. With the results of the last game…..
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Priesttj12 Says:
That would be an amazing observation since he never practiced until a week ago.
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I’ve been reading Cork’s twitter page every single practice day all season and pre season. Pryor was throwing balls at every practice. Might not have been with the one’s, but let’s not say he never practiced.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:17 pm
College coach is more Hue’s speed, and I think he would excel at it.
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Hate, hate, hate.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:11 pm
mcthompso Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Why are people so upset that Reggie is signing guys like this? Do they think we will be signing Peyton Manning right now?
It is really hard to take people seriously that criticize for the sake of criticizing. Probably the same people that were straight up rooting against the Raiders the last few games.
These signings are the equivalent to a baseball team’s non roster spring training invites. If you are getting mad at these moves, then you are seriously delusional in your expectations. Putting some guys in place for the 90 man Training Camp roster, and that is all. Nothing to lose sleep over.
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Everyone is aware of this, but does Reggie know there are 30 other teams out there? It makee you wonder just how well he knows the league. You cannot be that limited in your scope. Everything is GB PS, damn expand your scope a bit.
There are some very good players on PS’s throughout the league he ONLY focuses on GB. It’s a bit annoying.
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You know what? You’re absolutely right. I think its going over the top in criticizing these type of moves-kind of being negative just to be negative-but I do understand this sentiment.
Thank you for a clear, concise response with no bias and anger. I think much more would get accomplished on all sports blog discussions, not just this one, if this is how people communicated.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:21 pm
hendu Says:
Tj, Pryor Sucks in practice, thats why Papa was surprised. With the results of the last game…..
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Priesttj12 Says:
That would be an amazing observation since he never practiced until a week ago.
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I’ve been reading Cork’s twitter page every single practice day all season and pre season. Pryor was throwing balls at every practice. Might not have been with the one’s, but let’s not say he never practiced.
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Those are drills man, that aint Practice…..lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Saw the headline and was hoping it was MM34 and Des Bryant and Wheeler. Oh well.
I don’t think we can get anything for McClain in trade, but I wonder if we could get maybe a 3rd for Branch. I’d do that in a heartbeat if I were Chubs. MM34 is a better player. Sadly, if Steve’s suggestions from the other day’s chat is on target ( which is sometimes iffy) then Chubs and Denise are letting MM34 walk. Big mistake.
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It was obvious from interviews in the preseason he would be gone once his contract was up. I don’t remember his exact words but he made it clear he wants to be somewhere where he can prove himself as a starter. Unless Branch is traded or he finds zero takers for even letting him compete for a starting spot, Mitchell is gone.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
hey guys, Palmer might be a playoff calibur QB if we get him 3 new O-Line starters and two proven WR’s
oh yeah, plus a highly coveted OC and pair of durable RB’s
LOL!!
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It was amazing what Hue and JC did with these no good WRs and RB huh? He made it look like we had actual playmakers on offense, simply fkin amazing huh? SMDH…get us a real OC and a couple players and we should be good imo
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
The hate here is always racially motivated, regardless of the spin.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:24 pm
MM34 is a great blitzer, and crappy everything else.
Easily replaceable.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:25 pm
We really need a good OC. Our season rests on it. If DA indeed did grow a pair like everyone says when he dumped knapp, we might be ok. But it will all hinge on a very good OC.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
KK,
I say the guy would excel as a college coach, and that is racially motivated hate speech?
How shallow are you?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:26 pm
the silver lineing. with the #1 pick in 2014 the Raiders either pick or trade clowey for multiple picks
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Truth is greg Papa saw a kid in some drills and made all kinds of assumptions about what he could or couldn’t do. He never saw Pryor practice because he has never done so. he got his 1st reps a couple of weeks ago and finally got 1st team reps a week ago. So to jump to bucket of conclusions based on a single drop was presumptuous and premature. He owes the kid an apology I’m sure he will never get. But that aside what Papa did was unprofessional because a lot of people quoted him in the media. That was NOT fair to that kid.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
This is what worries about Reggie. Every fan in pre season knew we were not going to score from the goal line. Heck, even from the red zone. But no one did anything about it til last Monday. Maybe DA dug deep and found a pair. I don’t know. But it was to little to late. But better late than never I suppose.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Truth is greg Papa saw a kid in some drills and made all kinds of assumptions about what he could or couldn’t do. He never saw Pryor practice because he has never done so. he got his 1st reps a couple of weeks ago and finally got 1st team reps a week ago. So to jump to bucket of conclusions based on a single drop was presumptuous and premature. He owes the kid an apology I’m sure he will never get. But that aside what Papa did was unprofessional because a lot of people quoted him in the media. That was NOT fair to that kid.
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That is true. Plus alot of the media hacks based that too off what DA was saying and never seen what the kid could do. CORKY /JERRY MCD included
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:32 pm
BTW,
Anyone watching this KState-Ore game? A few observations:
1) These ESPN camera guys are doing a bang-up job of finding hot chicks in the audience. Remarkable really. It’s like the broadcast is being directed by a 16-year-old kid who hasn’t been able to access internet porn in two weeks. Well done, young man. Keep it coming in the 2nd half.
2) Oregon’s cheerleaders are incredible. Hands down best I’ve seen this bowl season and in quite awhile.
3) Collin Klein makes Tebow look like a precision passer. That dude is a fraud. He does direct the offense pretty well and makes smart decisions with the ball, but the dude is a below average thrower. His running has also looked surprisingly weak and timid thus far. He needs to find his satchel at halftime.
4) Chip Kelly makes Hue Jackson look like Marty Schottenheimer with some of these calls. Fun to watch, but a bit too much trickydick high school stuff that he’ll probably have to tone down bigtime if he hits the NFL.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 pm
If Papa saw it, and reported it, it is completely fair.
He isn’t a beat guy, he is a studio guy and talk radio host during the week, paid to give opinions during the week.
If he ultimately eats crow on it, I am sure he will fess up to it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
There is no qb worht taking in the draft this year. Just groom Pryor
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Colin Klein might go undrafted.
Not an NFL thrower, by far
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 pm
papa already ate crow yesterday on the radio.. said he was shocked and suprised at how well Pryor played. Loved his charisma/leadership
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Mariota>Manziel
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:37 pm
I say as he overthrows a guy in the endzone.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:37 pm
There you go, ate crow already.
So what is “not fair” about that? He gave an opinion and then admitted he was wrong, at least in the short-term.
If only we could get that type of candor from the national media.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:38 pm
MM34 > Branch in coverage as well. Not sure why he gets such a bad rap from some of the semis about his coverage skills. Is that theory still based on him allowing that TD to Gates in the finale last year? Geez. Get over it already. It was a good throw and catch. Gates has done it to many defenders beside MM3.
He shut down Graham earlier this year and I haven’t noticed many instances when he even gives up completions. I’d have to see some stats to back that up because I just don’t see it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:38 pm
It’s only unfair if somehow DA is basing Pryor’s playing time on media opinion.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Truth is greg Papa saw a kid in some drills and made all kinds of assumptions about what he could or couldn’t do. He never saw Pryor practice because he has never done so. he got his 1st reps a couple of weeks ago and finally got 1st team reps a week ago. So to jump to bucket of conclusions based on a single drop was presumptuous and premature. He owes the kid an apology I’m sure he will never get. But that aside what Papa did was unprofessional because a lot of people quoted him in the media. That was NOT fair to that kid.
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Papa stated clearly he was at practice prior to Pryor’s start, where he witnessed Pryor missing simple slant passes, over and over.
Not fair? You mean announcers should not talk about any players, or just Pryor?
He stated facts. Something you feel has no place in your discussions.
Tell us again how Mark told DA to play Pryor, or else.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:42 pm
You guys act like Pryor is some bona fide great QB or something. I want to see the kid do well, I really do, but could we see him complete 50%+ of his passes and maybe win a game before we crown his ^ss.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Is that theory still based on him allowing that TD to Gates in the finale last year?
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Last year or this year? Because it happened both times, and a few others this year.
How about that Tampa game this year when he started, and took all those poor angles that turned 15 yard runs into 60 yard runs?
Dude is awful in space. Love him on the blitzes and hope he returns, but he is a role-player ONLY.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Papa stated clearly he was at practice prior to Pryor’s start, where he witnessed Pryor missing simple slant passes, over and over.
Not fair? You mean announcers should not talk about any players, or just Pryor?
He stated facts. Something you feel has no place in your discussions.
Tell us again how Mark told DA to play Pryor, or else.
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and to be real PAPA was talking about when he first say PRYOR last year coming in to camp he couldnt hit a slant pass. Said he has come along way since then
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I don’t want to crown him. I’m just intrigued by his potential.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Papa didn’t start saying this crap last week. he’s been saying for months on end. It’s not like he was at last weeks practice and saw him because everything he said was weeks ago. last week he didn’t say much at all because he wasn’t on the air.
He came back on the air yesterday and admitted his sins. What I’m talking about is what he’s been saying all year long. How Pryor will never be a NFL QB he jsut doesn’t have what it takes and all this crap. When truth be told he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about…………..period
Neither did a lot of folks but he was pretending he’s seen him and knows it for a fact……….which was a LIE!
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Pryor proved to be a lot sharper than the staff ever believed he would be. I suspect this staff made several assumptions about some players they ought not have. Maybe from now on they wont be so dismissive.
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Lot sharper? A rock is a lot sharper, if you’re using TP’s outing as a measuring stick.
Was there any throws that you would say most if not all qb’s in the league couldn’t make?
No throws threaded the needle.
No throws led the receiver perfectly down the sideline.
No throws anyone on the planet would state OR HAS STATED were anything except average.
TD pass to DHB wasn’t even a good throw.
other td pass was to a wide open receiver.
What’s impressive?
Oh, I get it.
You mean you didn’t think he could even find an open receiver? IS THAT IT?
Should give TP a little more credit than that.
He’s bad, granted. Not terrible, but still pretty bad.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:42
You guys act like Pryor is some bona fide great QB or something. I want to see the kid do well, I really do, but could we see him complete 50%+ of his passes and maybe win a game before we crown his ^ss.
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Not many have crowned his azz. Quit exaggerating and lying.
Just not hating on him. He looked pretty good.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Papa didn’t start saying this crap last week. he’s been saying for months on end. It’s not like he was at last weeks practice and saw him because everything he said was weeks ago. last week he didn’t say much at all because he wasn’t on the air.
He came back on the air yesterday and admitted his sins. What I’m talking about is what he’s been saying all year long. How Pryor will never be a NFL QB he jsut doesn’t have what it takes and all this crap. When truth be told he didn’t know what the hell he was talking about…………..period
Neither did a lot of folks but he was pretending he’s seen him and knows it for a fact……….which was a LIE!
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LIAR. I HEARD IT ON THE RADIO OTHER DAY, AND NEVER PRIOR TO THAT.
Post a link where he’s been saying it all along.
I dare you.
You won’t. You can’t. Because you’re a punkass liar.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
How Pryor will never be a NFL QB he jsut doesn’t have what it takes and all this crap.
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Sounds like an opinion.
Apparently you never seen shows like PTI, Around the Horn, or listened to any East Coast sports talk shows.
That’s all they do, except they never admit they are ever wrong, and change their opinions weekly.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:48 pm
TJ? You’re still po’ed they hung up on you, again, aren’t you?
LOL. You need to try and stop rambling, and make sense.
Funny hearing them wait for you to take a breath, and then they quickly hang up.
Why do you think that is?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 pm
He should’ve known better than to make thos statements just on the Preseason alone. But he chose to ignore what he saw in preseason and base everything and drop drills which is silly at the very least. If you know anything about judging young QB and players drills are very tedious and repetitive. A player can easily tire and screw them up if he is not polished. Once he gets polished they become second nature. he saw some QB drills a drew hard and fast conslusions which is amatuerish at best.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
311 is not me.
It’s that fat tub of lard who sponges off the white gal.
Loser.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Colin Klein might go undrafted.
Not an NFL thrower, by far
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Thought the same thing. Didn’t one of the beatwriters tweet awhile back that Reggie and scouts really liked him?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
In other words, priest, you’re wrong.
Yeah, I know.
Papa calls it like he sees it.
Now that he’s burst your little racial bubble, now he’s no good?
you’re such a hypocrite.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
LIAR. I HEARD IT ON THE RADIO OTHER DAY, AND NEVER PRIOR TO THAT.
Post a link where he’s been saying it all along.
I dare you.
You won’t. You can’t. Because you’re a punkass liar.
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Honestly bro, he has. I listen to his show almost every day especially on fridays b4 games. He has said it mostly all season. Him and that dude JOHN LUND.. they used to get malicious about it how pryor was a joke at couldnt play. Even how leinart is reason why he is number 2.
Yesterday PAPA said he was completely wrong but he needs to work on his mechanics.. which we all know. But it ws his first game
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:47 pm
How Pryor will never be a NFL QB he jsut doesn’t have what it takes and all this crap.
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Sounds like an opinion.
Apparently you never seen shows like PTI, Around the Horn, or listened to any East Coast sports talk shows.
That’s all they do, except they never admit they are ever wrong, and change their opinions weekly.
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Might not admit it ofter, but PTI call each other out regularly, and yes, they admit when they blew it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:52 pm
he saw some QB drills a drew hard and fast conslusions which is amatuerish at best.
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Well there you go, you can’t keep going around giving amateurish opinions on things and keep your job.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 pm
He should’ve known better than to make thos statements just on the Preseason alone. But he chose to ignore what he saw in preseason and base everything and drop drills which is silly at the very least. If you know anything about judging young QB and players drills are very tedious and repetitive. A player can easily tire and screw them up if he is not polished. Once he gets polished they become second nature. he saw some QB drills a drew hard and fast conslusions which is amatuerish at best.
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All these local guys bought into Knapp, hook, line, and sinker. Particularity those commenters on the Raider payroll.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
ESPN radio was talking this weekend about all the up and coming female play-by-play announcers, and which pro sports team would be the first to employ one.
I couldn’t help but think that, that would be a total Al Davis-Amy Trask type move.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:51 pm
LIAR. I HEARD IT ON THE RADIO OTHER DAY, AND NEVER PRIOR TO THAT.
Post a link where he’s been saying it all along.
I dare you.
You won’t. You can’t. Because you’re a punkass liar.
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Honestly bro, he has. I listen to his show almost every day especially on fridays b4 games. He has said it mostly all season. Him and that dude JOHN LUND.. they used to get malicious about it how pryor was a joke at couldnt play. Even how leinart is reason why he is number 2.
Yesterday PAPA said he was completely wrong but he needs to work on his mechanics.. which we all know. But it ws his first game
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No, he didn’t.
All season long? Dude, quit with the bs. If anything Papa tossed out he would like to see him out there, not that he sucked during practice.
And what he said was he was surprised that Pryor actually completed some passes, considering how horrible he was during the week.
Also stated some players just totally suck while practicing, and Pryor might be one of those.
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:49 pm
He should’ve known better than to make thos statements just on the Preseason alone. But he chose to ignore what he saw in preseason and base everything and drop drills which is silly at the very least. If you know anything about judging young QB and players drills are very tedious and repetitive. A player can easily tire and screw them up if he is not polished. Once he gets polished they become second nature. he saw some QB drills a drew hard and fast conslusions which is amatuerish at best.
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All these local guys bought into Knapp, hook, line, and sinker. Particularity those commenters on the Raider payroll.
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Your ignorant rather bulbous ass waited until the board detailed how bad Knapp was before you jumped on the “hate Knapp” bandwagon.
Funny how the other day you stupidly posted you want some here to apologize to you, because you were one of the many who stated Knapp sucked.
Are you really that pathetic, Mikey, that you need someone to say “good boy, Old Man”?
Ok. You got your fatass out of bed today, before 1 PM.
“Good boy, old man”.
There. Feel better?
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:59 pm
I worry sometimes, Mikey.
When I post, some might thing it’s you, and that you’ve grown a brain.
Naw..never mind.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Troll, why don’t you have the sack to call me out in your own name?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:54 pm
ESPN radio was talking this weekend about all the up and coming female play-by-play announcers, and which pro sports team would be the first to employ one.
I couldn’t help but think that, that would be a total Al Davis-Amy Trask type move.
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Uh, numbnuts?
Al isn’t around any more.
Guess you missed the memo.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Hue Jackson and Tom cable are not close (putting it nicely) and would not work well together
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
We had 7 points through 53 minutes and people are ecstatic about it.
I am all for canning Palmer, but not for scoring 7 points in 53 minutes.
Those last two TD’s were the same meaningless garbage-time junk Palmer was doing all season.
Does nobody not remember the 2nd to last drive of the game? 2 horribly thrown incompletions and a fumble?
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lol
a guy making his first start with 3 days of partial practice and you try the garbage td bit.
Jfb pryor brought us to withn 3 points and an on side kick
that is not garbage time we were in the game
jfb and the palmer worshipers are in a tizzy
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The most importan person flipped his stance on PRYOR and is impressed.
DENNIS ALLEN. Nice to hear it from the coaches mouth. All thats needed. Trolls dont matter. Coach does. Nuff said.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Troll, why don’t you have the sack to call me out in your own name?
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You cowardly bich.
You’ve been called out so many times, and each and every single time, you tuck tail, lay down in a fetal position, and whine about everyone’s a cross poster.
Regardless of your beat down. You NEVER borrow your wife’s balls and defend your words. Instead, WHEN YOU ARE WRONG, WHICH IS MOST OF THE TIME, YOU THINK REPLYING “you’re a cross poster” masks the fact you are ball less, and don’t have a reply.
Considering you claim EVERYONE is cross posting, and the fact you come across as quite illiterate, not to mention totally clueless discussing football, you can use all the help you can get.
Don’t hate because your thunder thighs chafe. Just the way it is with couch potatoes, BlubberButt.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The most importan person flipped his stance on PRYOR and is impressed.
DENNIS ALLEN. Nice to hear it from the coaches mouth. All thats needed. Trolls dont matter. Coach does. Nuff said.
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Oh, sure.
I heard that.
“He did some nice things, but obviously there is a lot to work on”.
that one?
What part of “lot to work on” confused you?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Boy the troll loves to cross post, maybe he got it cross dressing, kind of makes sense. What’s worse is he really thinks no one knows……….lol
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:09 pm
I don’t think we could go wrong with picking either Werner or Moore. We are in a good spot, before I wanted to trade down but now not so much
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Boy the troll loves to cross post, maybe he got it cross dressing, kind of makes sense. What’s worse is he really thinks no one knows……….lol
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The Boy is pathetic.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 pm
You guys should invest as much into your own lives as you invest into who gives a flying phuck about T. Pryor.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:11 pm
So is that what happened?
allen just blindly followed knapps lead with pryor and never actually made his own assessment??!?!
Thank god big mack and davis dropped the hammer on allen and forced him to play the young man.
He made knapp look like a flat out liar.
Im still stuck on “he isnt ready to be the back up” from allen.
Was knapp the ventriloquist for allen all season long on this topic?
what ever
At least we now know that pryor is the man moving forward and we distance our selves from the worst trade in sports history and that bungled stripped loser soon enough.
I want pistol i want shotgUn spread I want vertical passing i want the hybrid offense!!
THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IS HERE AND IT IS A BLACK TSUNAMI WEARING NUMBER 6!!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Hue Jackson for OC.
Bill Callahan for oline coach.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:03 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:06 pm
We had 7 points through 53 minutes and people are ecstatic about it.
I am all for canning Palmer, but not for scoring 7 points in 53 minutes.
Those last two TD’s were the same meaningless garbage-time junk Palmer was doing all season.
Does nobody not remember the 2nd to last drive of the game? 2 horribly thrown incompletions and a fumble?
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lol
a guy making his first start with 3 days of partial practice and you try the garbage td bit.
Jfb pryor brought us to withn 3 points and an on side kick
that is not garbage time we were in the game
jfb and the palmer worshipers are in a tizzy
[[[[[[[[[[
As painful as it may be for you, it was garbage time, and the fumble that set up the TD? Was that a gimme, or was that position on the field earned?
Of course it was a gimme.
Now now, we all know he made a throw. A basic throw. Nothing spectacular (not sure why you think a black man throwing a football to a wide open receiver is so amazing, because it’s really not, but, I digree)but a throw, none the less.
I just can’t stop thinking about all those butt ugly throws.
You know, the same throws the coaches have been seeing all year long.
That Papa referenced?
I recall someone stating facts mean nothing and that w/l is all that matters.
Pryor was the losing qb.
Bummer.
Oh well. You’ll be ok.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Was knapp the ventriloquist for allen all season long on this topic?
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I think he was his mouth piece.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
WHY cross post and hijack handles?
what a pzzy
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
peace
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:13 pm
quote: “Im still stuck on “he isnt ready to be the back up” from allen.”
Because he’s not.
Stuck you shall be, backtracking excuse making dweeb that you be.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Correction; garbage time is when you have zero chance of winning. There was no such thing in the SD game we could’ve won that game. Being down 24-7 with 2 minutes would be more like garbage time. We were down 24-21 with 2 minutes left.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
D R O I D .
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
WHY cross post and hijack handles?
what a pzzy
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The boy is incapable of defending his racist views.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Garbage time is by definition when the scrubs are in to mop it up.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Raiders’ Offensive Starting Roster (under contract as of today):
QB: Pryor (Palmer’s on IR)
RB: Reece, McFadden (Reece gets 1st billing in my book)
WR: Streater, Moore (we know DHB’s getting released)
TE: Gordon
T: Vehldeer, Bergstrom
G: Nix, Brisiel
C: Wisniewski
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:17 pm
But that’s what happens when you score TD’s instead of FG’s. Scoring TD’s can keep you in any game.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:12 pm
WHY cross post and hijack handles?
what a pzzy
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there was a warning sent out.
“KOOLKELL COMING ACROSS AS A TOTAL MORON. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED”
Kell is ignored because he never says anything.
I’m a fountain of knowledge, and astute observations.
When I post, people sit up, and pay attention, and ponder deeply my words of wisdom.
Mike Kelly is a braindead log.
Kell loves when I post. He loves seeing people state “Good post” something he only dreams about.
I’m thinking of charging him.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:17 pm
But that’s what happens when you score TD’s instead of FG’s. Scoring TD’s can keep you in any game.
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Holy Guacamole.
“scoring TD’s can keep you in any game”????????
Good golly, Miss Molly.
Can I use that?
What pearls of wisdom, TJ.
Deep man, really deep stuff. lol…
Any more tidbits you can share with us, TJ?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Mistic, I would like to pose a question in the hope that you might actually answer it.
At what point in your life did you develop your views on race? Was it a specific incident, environmental factors, or messages from others?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Sure can u tell Palmer to score more TD’s please…
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Boy the troll loves to cross post, maybe he got it cross dressing, kind of makes sense. What’s worse is he really thinks no one knows……….lol
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You stupid schittt..lol…I just detailed it over and over why I bail Kells fatass out.
You stupid beyond a level I should know about, Tj?
I mean, I actually post TO THE FATASS..you know…TO KELL THE SNITCH..and you really think I think no one knows?
See? All that drinking fried all those brain cells, old man. Now you can’t even keep simple track of what’s being said.
Oh, BTW. This is NOT Kell the Snitch
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Scourge Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Mistic, I would like to pose a question in the hope that you might actually answer it.
At what point in your life did you develop your views on race? Was it a specific incident, environmental factors, or messages from others?
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Drilled into him from childhood.
Same as Priest.
Sad, but true.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Truth be told I don’t care….
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 pm
You guys should invest as much into your own lives as you invest into who gives a flying phuck about T. Pryor
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So, by your own words, you won’t be discussing Pryor anymore, right?
Or are you just a slow ignorant hypocrite who’s too stupid to stay out of his own way?
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Truth be told I don’t care…
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No. The correct answer, if you were a man, is “Oh, guess you’re right. Didn’t realize that.”
Due to the fact I just corrected you.
considering you’re a small joke of a man, instead of maning up, you run the “oh, uh, don’t care” reply?
Pathetic spineless wuss.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Just a theory…
I wonder if DA’s backtrack about TP not being backup QB material was based on input from Knapp. Seems that DA really gave Knapp the keys to the offense and sadly Knapp was merely a driver’s ed trainer given a Nascar vehicle to run. Knapp simply did not know how to maximize the effectiveness of his personnel to the point that even the average fan like myself was (reluctantly) watching on going “WTF???”
How hard was it to cut a deal with Pryor and tell him as long as he commits to working on his fundamentals and throwing mechanics, he’ll get a shot as backup or even possibly be groomed to replace CP when the time is right IF he would fill in as RB while DMC and Goodson was recovering?
Same thing with Taiwan Jones, if they were signing practice squad players and grooming Huff to take snaps as the #1 CB, why not groom TJ with his speed and his earlier experience as DB as a nickel? That I don’t get either.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Have fun guys adios!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Can’t really see any former HC’s willing to coach UNDER Dennis Allen, so I’m expecting someone from college or a bargain bin guy who has been a position coach or equipment manager in the league to be our OC.
Or Saunders.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:37 pm
KK FYI your past use of the racial slur peckerwood shows two things…You are just as racist as anyone else and moderators here are selective in their moderation.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Offensive Coordinator’s Wish list
Lincoln Riley
Seth Littrell
Brent Pease (Turned Baylor offense in to scoring Beast’s)
Wet dream list can’t afford this guys.. but would be awesome.
*** Mike Gundy (Southern Miss New head coach)
&
Todd Monken – Oklahoma states head coach)
Good on your job Reggie Mck, DA & Davis ..Hell if I could unprofessionally look for OC candidates in my spare time ..You Dickheads shouldn’t have no problem..
GET ON YOUR FREAKING J O B’S!!!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Here’s an idea. Everybody who says we’re gonna toally suck next season and finish with the worst record in the league just leave and come back after NEXT season cuz there’s really nothing left to talk about.
Your point is taken.
See ya next yr. and all the best to you.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:56 pm
RaiderFanLost inOz Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:37 pm
KK FYI your past use of the racial slur peckerwood shows two things…You are just as racist as anyone else and moderators here are selective in their moderation.
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Notice how the REAL KK doesn’t reply to this?
When/if he does, the spineless fatfuk won’t comment on it, instead he’ll call you a cross poster. Stupidly hoping no one notices.
He knows he’s a racist pos.
We all do.
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:58 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Here’s an idea. Everybody who says we’re gonna toally suck next season and finish with the worst record in the league just leave and come back after NEXT season cuz there’s really nothing left to talk about.
Your point is taken.
See ya next yr. and all the best to you.
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Gosh, Widdle Johnny, you think they will?
I mean, because you told them to?
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:03 pm
367,
They’d better. I’ve got a hot line straight to Becker.
People do what I say or people go down…..HARD.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Make your call:
Let’s say we pick Werner this year
Odds are we’ll get the first overall pick in 14 then who is your pick?
1.- Clowney
2.- Manziel
3.- Teddy Bridgewater
could be another 2007 all over again
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Raiders are going 12-4 next season.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Romo is officially an idiot. (I know, it was official before, but now it’s really official)
Chronicle Live Romo was on today, and his solution for the Raiders, for the future?
Sign Tebow, release Palmer, and have Tebow be the starter, with Pryor as a backup.
Actually said “Tebow can run this offense as well as anyone on the planet.”
????
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I’m gonna spin some records. I particularly like gay techno music from Deutschland.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:22 pm
People don’t know that I work for a gay radio station in Chicago.
“All gay…all day” is our motto.
We play the best of show tunes and Elton John and Queen.
That’s my favorite.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Did I tell you guys that I worship Dr. Robert. He’s the best poster ever.
I totally agree with everything he says.
You dorks can’t handle the truth.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:26 pm
KK, you’re a nut! Keep up the good work!
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:34 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Just a theory…
I wonder if DA’s backtrack about TP not being backup QB material was based on input from Knapp. Seems that DA really gave Knapp the keys to the offense and sadly Knapp was merely a driver’s ed trainer given a Nascar vehicle to run. Knapp simply did not know how to maximize the effectiveness of his personnel to the point that even the average fan like myself was (reluctantly) watching on going “WTF???”
How hard was it to cut a deal with Pryor and tell him as long as he commits to working on his fundamentals and throwing mechanics, he’ll get a shot as backup or even possibly be groomed to replace CP when the time is right IF he would fill in as RB while DMC and Goodson was recovering?
Same thing with Taiwan Jones, if they were signing practice squad players and grooming Huff to take snaps as the #1 CB, why not groom TJ with his speed and his earlier experience as DB as a nickel? That I don’t get either.
>>>>
The entire offense was basically a clusterf_ck. Top to bottom. Well except CP, who bailed the team out from losing all 16 games. And people want to eliminate him.
shrug… go figure…
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:42 pm
365.DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Here’s an idea. Everybody who says we’re gonna toally suck next season and finish with the worst record in the league just leave and come back after NEXT season cuz there’s really nothing left to talk about.
Your point is taken.
See ya next yr. and all the best to you.
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Agreed. After the loss to MIA, It was clear that this team was “gonna toally suck” so I just left and came back at the end cuz there was really nothing left to talk about.
For next season, I still say “9 wins or bust.”
In the meantime, I have no opinions, suggestions, predictions, anticipation, or excitement to post about anything that occurs before kickoff 2013.
See ya next season and all the best to you
JUST WIN BABY!
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
“Slow ignorant hypocrite that can’t stay out of his own way” is the most accurate statement ever written on this blog.
Go Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Marty Morhniwheg we’ll not be going with Reid.. He wants to look for other OC opportunities.. Candidate for OC Position with us… Any thoughts?
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:52 pm
when de’anthony thomas ran back that opening kickoff tonight i thought of al davis
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:53 pm
I nominate the slow ignorant hypocrite that can’t stay out of his own way for OC.
Go Raiders.
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:57 pm
ok you’re nominated
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:57 pm
I remember many of you defending Bruce Gradkowski and Andrew Walter as vehemently as you defent Pryor..You are all so smart.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Ok guys was reading the packer forums about new signee FB JON HOESE.. they said they were suprised he was cut at beginning of the season but they alreayd had a FB.. is a good talent that was on the practice squad.
They said he is exaclty like the FB they have on the roster right now JOHN KUHN?!?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Did I tell you guys that I worship Dr. Robert. He’s the best poster ever.
I totally agree with everything he says.
You dorks can’t handle the truth.
<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Robert the Moron. I always knew you were one of the bigger trolls in here.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Trade down if possible:
1- DT/ NT J Hankins (Go Buckeyes!)
2- CB Xavier Rhodes or Amerson
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins
4- LB Andrew Jackson
No trade:
1- DT/ NT Star Lotulelie, DE/ OLB D Moore, or OLB JJ
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins
4- CB Leon McFadden (Go Aztecs!) or LB Andrew Jackson
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm
I remember this particularly inbred individual named Oaktard that stated ad nauseam that Jamarcus Russell was headed for the HOF and any one who didn’t see it was suffering from a low football acumen.
That coward was a slow ignorant hypocrite that couldn’t stay out of his own way.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:14 pm
G’d night, all!
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:10 pm
I remember this particularly inbred individual named Oaktard that stated ad nauseam that Jamarcus Russell was headed for the HOF and any one who didn’t see it was suffering from a low football acumen.
That coward was a slow ignorant hypocrite that couldn’t stay out of his own way.
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Glad to see you’re so unhappy.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:17 pm
The truth hurts.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:20 pm
You can change your handle as many times as you like but you will always be a slow ignorant hypocrite who can’t stay out of his own way.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:13 pm
The ball was wet?
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And there are “fans” talking about excuses for the team and the offense? You have GOT to be kidding.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:26 pm
How good is John KUHN??? they said raiders have a similar player they just signed today.. hope it works out
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:27 pm
I like next year’s d-line class much better than this year. The only edge guy I like projected in the top 15 this year is Damontre Moore out of A&M.
Right now, barring trade downs, here’s my super early picks:
1) Luke Joeckel, LT, Texas A&M: The drawback is he’s a LT and Veldheer is pretty good there. But I think he’s probably the best player in the draft and I love the idea of building an elite offensive line. We could do that quickly starting with Veldheer, Wiz2 and Joeckel. I’d prob kick Veldheer over to RT in this scenario.
2nd choice: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.
3) Jon Bostic, MLB, Florida: Athletic, quick, aggressive and hard-hitting. Reminds me a bit of Navorro Bowman, who was also projected as a mid-round pick and I really wanted the Raiders to take.
4) Kyle Long, OL, Oregon: Howie’s son. Very good athlete with a world of upside. Legacy value. Kick him inside to guard.
6) xxx
7) Nick Florence, QB, Baylor: Saw this kid play twice in blowouts against Kansas State and UCLA. Walked away really impressed. Not a big guy but a gamer who’s not afraid to push the ball down field. Somewhat similar to Bruce “Almighty” Gradkowski.
7)
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Take your meds Oakglenn.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Kudos to Chris in NY who wanted to keep Hue all along.
I don’t know how much money you make or what you do for a living but I wish Mark hired you because Raider Nation would be better off.
Go Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:35 pm
What part of NY did you say you were from?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Dr Hunter S. Thompson roots for the Broncos. Read “The Great Shark Hunt”. Right Doctor?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:37 pm
You have to be happy right doc? Even after your ashes were shot out of a cannon in Colorado?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Oakglenn how is that Jamarcus jersey fitting right now you fat FUKK?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Oakglenn, if the shoe fits wear it.
Go Raiders!
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Ok guys was reading the packer forums about new signee FB JON HOESE.. they said they were suprised he was cut at beginning of the season but they alreayd had a FB.. is a good talent that was on the practice squad.
They said he is exaclty like the FB they have on the roster right now JOHN KUHN?!?
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I remember getting on one of the Packer forums right after we signed Vic So’oto and they were talking him up big time as their next big rusher and playmaker in the making.
I was surprised Reggie let him go so quickly.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:49 pm
“Slow ignorant hypocrite that can’t stay out of his own way” is the most accurate statement ever written on this blog.
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You see that, Kell the Snitch?
Thank me now. Thank me later.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Oakglenn, if the shoe fits wear it.
Go Raiders!
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Huh? Hunter Thompson is from Woody Creek Colorado. Hunter Thompson was a friend of mine. You sir, are no Hunter S. Thompson. Seriously.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Oakglenn, it is obvious you have never read a book in your life.
Isn’t that right “Dr.” Nob ?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm
“As I’ve tried to explain to people, whenever the guy who takes the snap is a threat to run, it changes all the math of defenses,” Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano said last March. “That’s really what defense is, it’s getting your troops to where the ball is going to be. And when that guy holding it is a threat to run, it changes the numbers – minus-one.”
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Change is comming and i like Palmer but i want to WIN now,CP lost me when he just kept doing Knapp`s special 3 and out plays.CP dont wanna WIN now he love 3 and out bench buddy-time ,he can laugh and joke with his pals that just drop his passes,his leadership must make Gannon puke up
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm
I remember getting on one of the Packer forums right after we signed Vic So’oto and they were talking him up big time as their next big rusher and playmaker in the making.
I was surprised Reggie let him go so quickly.
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man i know but I think Packers have alot of home grown type talent through draftin and UDFA.. however packers did sign soto like 3x this year lol crazy
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Check your wikipedia, slow ignorant hypocrite who can’t stay out of his own way.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:46 pm
T pryor talking to his fans on twitter right now.. ha
one guy just tweeted him
RT @clarkmorales: @TerrellePryor Man, the Raider Nation real.y like you, please, don´t dissapont us
Pryor responded
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Not interested in failure
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Nice Pryor on a mission. Someone gave him a slogan “You sleep, I grind”
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Oakglenn, it is obvious you have never read a book in your life.
Isn’t that right “Dr.” Nob ?
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So now you are accusing me of being a bunch of posters I am not. Look, clearly you are beaten and melting down. Do yourself and all of us a favor. Turn off the internet, go for a walk, lose some weight, and take some anger management classes. You are an internet troll. We all know it. Hunter Thompson was a friend of mine. He would vomit on you.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
I never mentioned you by name “Seymour.”
I guess that’s why Kell named you the slow ignorant hypocrite that can’t stay out of your own way.
Do you get it yet?
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
I hope we draft an offensive tackle in the first round.
It’s like getting two players, because they last twice as long.
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Seymour?
Everyone here, as in EVERYONE knows you’re Oakglen. And bsdetector. And others. Many others.
Is it pride that prevents you from just saying “f you. that’s right, I’m Oakglen. bite me”?
Just curious
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:57 pm
It is the self hate that will not allow him to admit it.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:01 pm
IMO the smart move is to trade back in the first round and get more draft picks. Lord knows we need them.
Go Raiders
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:01 pm
That is pure BS. Raiders were on the way to at least a playoff run. Some d-bag new coach decided to bring in one of the worst OC’s in the NFL and change the offense.
The talk last year at this time was “Fix the defense, cut down penalties, DMAC will be back with Palmer, Palmer will have full offseason” etc etc.
You can’t be apologetic about this year (4-12). Bad decisions were made. The window of opportunity was short. The “8-8 with potential” is way gone and it’s time to rebuild.
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Word.
^^^^^^^
Yep!
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:05 pm
416 is right on the money.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Bob Marley sang:
[...long, interesting article on the return of college offenses to the NFL...]
In the NFL, change is not driven so much by the ideas themselves as by the skills of its players.
In this instance it is the need to find a way that best takes advantage of the dynamic talent of young quarterbacks like Griffin, Kaepernick and Wilson.
As long as more quarterbacks with their skills keep coming into the league, the NFL will continue to adapt.”
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And this is where it breaks down. For the same reason that the old school options stopped working in the NFL and stayed in the college ranks. The same reason that this trend will die too:
Finding a QB with the entire package is extremely difficult. Hell, just finding a QB that has a head for the game, that can pass the ball, has a body that cah hold up, and that has the work ethic is a one in a million. It’s THE hardest position to fill, hands down.
Doing anything that exposes that QB to extra abuse is like taking your Maserati out four wheeling. That’s why more and more rules have been put in the game to protect the QBs in the pocket. When your QB runs a lot, they get hurt a lot. It’s that simple.
Very few RBs are able to take the pounding of an entire season. How many make it a full season without missing a game or two due to injury? Not many. The more that QBs run, the more they become like RBs. Only they aren’t built like RBs, low to the ground with mucho muscle. They aren’t built for the same abuse.
Meanwhile, the defenses will make one very simple adjustment to the read options. They will abuse the the QB. When you are a passer in the pocket you afforded very liberal rules to protect you. When you are a runner, you’re full on target material. When you’re outside the pocket, it’s game on for the defense. And when you’ve just handed off the ball — you’re still game to get drilled.
And that’s the key. Read option my ass. If I’m the guy that you’re reading, my read will become one dimensional. My marching orders will simply be, no matter what happens, if they come to your side, tackle the QB as hard as humanly possible. Then everyone else can worry about the option and we’re playing 10 on 10 football. As a DC I’ll take those odds every time if I also get a big hit on the QB as a pay day. And it’s totally legal.
By half time, that QB, if he’s still able to even line up, will not be the same player. His “reads” will be to get the ball out of his hand as fast as possible. And now there’s no longer an option, it’s just a running game except with a broken down QB.
If that QB gets hurt, because this rare blend of all skills is so hard to find, you don’t get one as a backup. You get someone slower, who can’t throw, can’t run an offense or whatever his limitations.
By the way, this is nothing new. It’s exactly what happened way back in the day to the teams that foolishly tried running college level, QB runninng centric offenses in the NFL. The QBs didn’t survive and thus the systems did not either.
The NFL will start to figure this out in 2013. I predict that all of RGIII, Newton and Wilson if he runs more than he currently does will have significant time lost due to injury.
Meanwhile, the old school pocket passing systems will continue to run up the yards and dominate the league. If anything, they’ll have an even easier time of it because now defenses will have spent some of their time learning to kill running QBs and less on defending well tuned, sophisticated passing attacks.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Crazy how some think Mike Glennon will be the 1st taken now and may fall into the top 10?
It is an uncertain sloppy year for QB prospects.
Glennon has potential though. Kinda reminds me of Matt Ryan.
However, Glennon needs to stop throwing off his back foot when pressure comes and he needs to be drilled on stepping up in the pocket more.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Things to say to Raiders in person…
Reggie McKenzie–”Exactly how much does the salary cap hinder you?”
Dennis Allen–”Exactly what offensive scheme will best fit our players?”
Carson Palmer–”Did you know that Peyton Manning has not thrown an interception when behind in the Fourth Quarter THIS WHOLE YEAR?”
Darren McFadden–”I would ask for your autograph but I’m afraid your would hurt your wrist”
Richard Seymore–”Must be nice to have an Al Davis pension plan the last half of the season eh?”
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Droid Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 7:25 pm
We really need a good OC. Our season rests on it. If DA indeed did grow a pair like everyone says when he dumped knapp, we might be ok. But it will all hinge on a very good OC.
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Whoever they hire, needs to study tape of Hue did the previous two years with the offense and do pretty much the same thing with these OLinemen and offensive players.
The new OC also needs to make sure TP has certain packages for him to run and be involved in game in game out basis if need be.
TP needs to be coached and prepared to play.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Can’t really see any former HC’s willing to coach UNDER Dennis Allen, so I’m expecting someone from college or a bargain bin guy who has been a position coach or equipment manager in the league to be our OC.
Or Saunders.
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Thats probably whats going to happen sadly.
DA is in over his head as a HC. Ugh.
Waste of time with that kid as the Raiders field general.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:14 pm
this is what we need to do in the draft:
#1- trade down to the middle of the first round and hopefully pick up a 2nd or 3rd to go along with the 1st..
#2- use our first pick on a bonefide TRUE #1 WR..
#3- use the rest of our picks on DL, LB, and DB..
ive been saying it for 4 years now, WE NEED A REAL FUKIN WIDE RECIEVER!!!!!
our offense would benifit SOOOOO much if we had an AJ GREEN or JULIO JONES out there for CP or TP..
hopefully reggie catches a few later round guys to start on defense ie(burris)
but seriously DHB and MOORE would absolutely make it as #2 and #3 WRs.. MOORE on the opposite side out wide and DHB in the slot..
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Moose Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm
“As I’ve tried to explain to people, whenever the guy who takes the snap is a threat to run, it changes all the math of defenses,” Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach Greg Schiano said last March. “That’s really what defense is, it’s getting your troops to where the ball is going to be. And when that guy holding it is a threat to run, it changes the numbers – minus-one.”
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Change is comming and i like Palmer but i want to WIN now,CP lost me when he just kept doing Knapp`s special 3 and out plays.CP dont wanna WIN now he love 3 and out bench buddy-time ,he can laugh and joke with his pals that just drop his passes,his leadership must make Gannon puke up
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I wondered if Palmer was afraid of coming off as a jerk after the Cincy thing.
He is the one who said he feels he is “elite”. This yr. might be his last and he has to realize that. If he wants to leave a mark he’s gotta do it this yr.
You can’t let a schlep like Knapp decide your future.
He needs to be a jerk and start asserting himself to the coaches AND players…whoever. It’s up to him.
I see Manning on the sideline getting in guys faces and Brady is the same way. You don’t see Rodgers doing that cuz usually everything is going his way; what’s there to complain about?
If Pryor is the number 2 than he will get his chance at some point if Palmer gets injured or stinks it up.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Honestly, I hope the report from camp is that Palmer and Pryor are neck and neck for the top spot, cuz if that is true, it means that Pryor is tearing it up enough to unseat him…and that bodes very well for our future if that happens.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:22 pm
I wonder if TP will reach out to Gannon for some help this off-season? I wonder if TP is already back in the building lifting weights and going over film….id be impressed if he was that type of person!!! Also sign Reggie Smith!!!!!!!;
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
who in here wants us to sign D BOWE???
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I want Victor Cruz!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:27 pm
i still say if we would have had T. O. last year we would have gone to the playoffs.. we havent had a real true #1 WR since tim brown.. its kinda sad. J Porter/ J Rice/ R Moss were either at the end of their carreers or just didnt care about this team enough to try anymore..
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 pm
cruz isnt going anywhere
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:28 pm
It would of taken alot of pressure off DHB&DMoore but we probably wouldn’t of gotten to see what RodStreet had though…maybe WR coach?????
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:29 pm
bowe on the other hand is!!!
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:30 pm
no i meant 2011-2012 season not this past season.. T. O. was the missing piece to a furious offense under hue jax..
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Cruz has yet to sign a long term deal though, bit ur right the Giants would be stupid to let him go….Bowe he won’t come here…he wants to win..
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:31 pm
we would have beat teams like detroit and san diego for sure.. we would have even been 10-6 without a doubt.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:32 pm
bowe just wants a QB to throw to him.. something he hasnt had yet in KC.. AND he still puts up rediculous numbers lol..
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Oh hell that would of been freaking awesome!!, its quite possible but our D was Freaking Trash.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Well id love to have him but realistically what’s the chance he signs for this dysfunctional franchise?? Plus I heard that CP3 was hurt more than what was reported…
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
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January 3rd, 2013 at 11:40 pm
HI EVERYONE
I AM THE ONE AND ONLY FO REALZ OAKGLEN. I HAVE SPOKEN. WHUT
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 pm
piss off slut
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:41 pm
16-0 BABY. NEXT SEASON BABY! 16-0
OAKGLEN HAS SPOKEN.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 pm
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:42 pm
16-0. GET OVA IT. WORD.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:43 pm
16-0 HOLLA
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:44 pm
you sound like that retard beach dawg.. cant speak english without all those monkey sounds.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:53 pm
When u look at it, this org. has handled the Palmer thing half arse from the start.
I have to listen to all the stuff the Bears did to make Cutler happy and give him the best chance to succeed. They fire Martz, bring in an OC hes comfortable with, then his old QB coach from Denver, then they ask him who he wants at WR so they go out and nab Brandon Marshall his old pal from Denver, now they’re debating whether he should be brought in on the interview for the next Bears HC.
Cutler is not “elite” but they paid him like he is and treat him like he is.
Palmer was a HUGE investment for Oakland and what do they surround him with? An undrafted free agent rookie, a guy in DHB who has never truly emerged and drops the ball way too dang much, a 5th round pick in DMoore, and midlevel (although emerging) tight end in Myers. All they have done with Palmer is throw a boatload of money at him w/out surrounding him with ANYTHING to help their “elite” QB win games.
I’m not apologizing for Palmer, but if they truly want their QB to succeed…especially one they have so much freaking money invested in, then how about getting him some guys HE is comfortable with and feels he can throw touchdowns too?
Cutler has the red carpet in Chi…..STILL. They’ve given him the tools and he still fails to get to the playoffs. Is it too much they get Palmer ONE FREAKING stud receiver? When they spent so damn much on him?
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 pm
You know what? If they are gonna go half azz with Palmer then just dump him and eat the money and throw Pryor in. BUT if they do, then surround him with guys who can catch the ball…a couple of stud receivers and surround with everything he needs to succeed.
It can’t be “Well, just throw the ball to this dope we got from GB’s practice squad, and we’ve got a 6th round draft choice from Tulane you can toss it too as well. Go get ‘em Terrelle”.
January 3rd, 2013 at 11:59 pm
cry me a river johhny boy
Who gives a fugg about palmer. He sucked last year and he sucked this year too.
The man has managed to turn the ball over 19 times in only 14 games this season for god sakes.
pick six, costly fumbles 3 and outs and who can forgaet the 5 field goal spectacular.
I wasnt even sure he had a pulse in the bungle bowl until he pissed his pants.
Watching oakland drag around that stiff all year was like watching weekend at berinies.
Mean while we have tp6 and the wave of the future about to come crashing down on the nfl.
Time to go hybrid offense and scrap your palmer wet dream once and for all.
palmer is a scrap heap reject, on his last legs and nearly spent.
Thank god for pryor, now there is a reason to get excited again.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:02 am
palmer failed because he stinks out loud.
Dont blame knapp, plamer was even worse in hu jacks/ saunders offense.
He just doesnt have the goods to throw accurately down the field.
I posted numbers last year and showed the dropp off and the local media followed up with worse numbers this year.
Palmer is a joke end of story
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 am
lol worshipers tuck tail and bail
good night
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 am
…well they need to be decisive about what they’re doing then. That’s my point. If Palmer isn’t the answer and they decide to go Pryor’s way then they need to get some guys in there for him to throw the ball too.
Guys dropped 4 passes from Pryor on Sunday. By all rights Pryor should have been 17-28 for around 200 and then the additional 50 on the ground.
Good receivers will free up Pryor to do more of the things he does best. He will need some studs to catch the ball and run precise routes like any QB should have.
I know we need help in many areas but if we can’t give our QB everything he needs to succeed we won’t go anywhere.
If they go with Pryor then don’t do it half azz.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:41 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 am
lol worshipers tuck tail and bail
good night
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I’m still here. You aren’t here to engage in any football discussion, your’e sole purpose is to disrupt and cause discord.
It isn’t up to us to decide who’s gonna start at QB. DA most likely will start Palmer, Whoever our QB is will need better guys to throw it too. THAT was my point. It has nothing to do with Palmer “worship”.
Whether Palmer sucks or not wasn’t my point anyway. This goes for Pryor too..or whoever is our QB. IMO getting better receivers is key to our QB’s success.
Pryor will get his shot again. Especially if he’s our # 2, and he’ll need all the support the org can give him, just like any QB would.
You don’t have to be a jerk ALL of the time. Really you don’t. Relax.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:49 am
need a great oc, one great receiver, great pass rusher, better o line, and safety. trim the fat, we all know who, they are. qbs the least of our problems
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 am
I have no faith None in Dennis Allen. Something is off with this guy. And I know the players probably feel the same way by the vibe of team. He seems like the type of guy who will throw everyone under the bus to save his own ass. He’s already proved that. He doesnt embody being a Raider at all. He totally looks clueless and out of place in Silver & Black. Definitely not a leader of men. He has no connection to the players. = 4-12.. I dont see anything changing as long as he is HC. Not a thing..
January 4th, 2013 at 1:05 am
I cant stand allen more than I couldnt stand Kiffin..
January 4th, 2013 at 1:06 am
I’m wondering if the Mis isn’t really alias.He doesn’t come here to discuss football,just to stir up crap.And he only talks about 1 thing.Classic Alias.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:07 am
Reality check for some of you who think run/pass QB’s like Pryor are the solution to the Raiders woes: none of the SB winning Quarterbacks from the last 10, or even 20 years was such a player. The skills most needed to win today are accuracy, toughness and leadership and that’s it. Speed is a bonus but is secondary.
Pryor has toughness, leadership and speed but not the accuracy required to finish the job. His attitude is off the charts, but there is no historical precedent to assume he’ll suddenly become accurate enough.
Similarly, there is no reason to suspect Palmer will suddenly stop throwing picks. The man throws picks, and at the worst time. He may as well retire.
The posters in here that say to build the franchise from the lines out are the ones thinking with their heads. Al got away from this a long time ago and we are all suffering the effects. It’s going to take at least 2 more years to fully reverse this trend.
Until then, we’ll have to do our best to root for Palmer/Pryor – next season’s 1/2. But in reality our next SB winning QB is probably not on the roster right now. Even Gannon wasnt good enough in the end.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Rabbitman562 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 am
I have no faith None in Dennis Allen. Something is off with this guy. And I know the players probably feel the same way by the vibe of team. He seems like the type of guy who will throw everyone under the bus to save his own ass. He’s already proved that. He doesnt embody being a Raider at all. He totally looks clueless and out of place in Silver & Black. Definitely not a leader of men. He has no connection to the players. = 4-12.. I dont see anything changing as long as he is HC. Not a thing.
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What are you talking about?The team played harder at the end of this year than last year.You have no idea how any of the players think.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:12 am
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January 4th, 2013 at 1:23 am
Lefty because of the time. I’m not going to try and explain what I was trying to say. I clearly witnessed the team playing hard the last few games. But in my opinion, they were not playing hard for Dennis Allen. They were playing hard so some of these guys could get tendered a 2013 contract. In my opinion, Allen had no connection to the players like Hue Jackson did. Which was evidenced during timeouts when practically the entire Raider team crowded around Jackson. All you could see was Jackson’s big play chart sticking up. There was no need to attempt to start going off on me because I definitely know wtf I’m talking about.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:28 am
No offense,but I don’t think you do know what you are talking about.Unless you are a player,you don’t know what they were thinking.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:41 am
Any news on our new OC?
Saunders bumped up?
January 4th, 2013 at 1:57 am
Nothing yet….
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 am
Lol so.Dr. Rob is actually seymour bush as well?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:03 am
As much as I’d love to have Bowe come in to galvanize the WR corps, we all know that if Reggie makes a play for anyone at that position it will be Greg Jennings, who will promptly get injured before ever producing on the field.
I’m tired of sifting through GB’s trash, but that’s probably the best we can hope for.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:35 am
The other day during Cork’s chat he was asked if he had any New Year resolutions.His answer was S.O.S.-stamp out stupidity.By reading this blog it is obvious he has his work cut out for him.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:11 am
Did James Jones sign a long term deal with the Packers? Wouldn’t mind having him…
January 4th, 2013 at 5:23 am
Interesting how if a person shows support for Carson Palmer he’s labeled as a “worshiper”, but the same folks can come in here day after day and drone on and on about the greatness of Terelle Pryor and the “wave of the future”, and that’s not “worship”.
Funny stuff.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:27 am
462.lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:28 am
No offense,but I don’t think you do know what you are talking about.Unless you are a player,you don’t know what they were thinking.
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Not only that, but there have been countless reports from people that are ACTUALLY THERE that Allen DIDN’T lose the team and that players ARE buying what he’s selling.
Of course, once a person has an agenda no amount of contradictory eveidence will change their mind.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:47 am
I’m sure there was a small faction that didn’t jive with DA last year, and those guys will be gone next year.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:50 am
The posters in here that say to build the franchise from the lines out are the ones thinking with their heads. Al got away from this a long time ago and we are all suffering the effects. It’s going to take at least 2 more years to fully reverse this trend.
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Agreed. Al seemed to forget the importance of the lines in the last 10 years, always looking for the fastest playmakers/impact players while ignoring the lines. You can get a new paint job, install a booming system and put chrome wheels on a Chevette, but at the end of the day, its still a Chevette!!
January 4th, 2013 at 5:51 am
471.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:47 am
I’m sure there was a small faction that didn’t jive with DA last year, and those guys will be gone next year.
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Oh, no doubt. There isn’t a team in the NFL that doesn’t have a few players that aren’t completely on board. Nice thing about the current situation is that they can be gotten rid of without the owner stepping in and renewing their scholarship aqnd undermining the coaching staff.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:51 am
While I agree that we need to develop some top-shelf talent at our line spots, what we don’t need is MORE mid-level talent on the lines, we already have plenty of that.
First pick at #3 has to be a stud D-lineman IMO. Then we don’t pick until the 3rd round, at which point do we need another Tony Bergstrom, or maybe a Jonathan Franklin (RB) or a Bostic (ILB) type?
First pick D-line, rest of the draft, BPA.
Then again next year, when we have a #1 or #2, you add another top-shelf piece maybe to the lines.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:54 am
I’m sure there was a small faction that didn’t jive with DA last year, and those guys will be gone next year.
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But is that a good thing? Maybe the people who were critical were just frustrated by the lack of direction and even DA has to mend some fences in communication with key players considering he jettisoned 4 key members of the coaching staff.
Now if there were no coaching changes, I’d be glad to get rid of the malcontents. But as it is right now, it’s hard to judge them for their misgivings if leadership was out of joint. You want players to be critical if they see flaws that need to be corrected.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:55 am
474.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:51 am
While I agree that we need to develop some top-shelf talent at our line spots, what we don’t need is MORE mid-level talent on the lines, we already have plenty of that.
First pick at #3 has to be a stud D-lineman IMO. Then we don’t pick until the 3rd round, at which point do we need another Tony Bergstrom, or maybe a Jonathan Franklin (RB) or a Bostic (ILB) type?
First pick D-line, rest of the draft, BPA.
Then again next year, when we have a #1 or #2, you add another top-shelf piece maybe to the lines.
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BPA with every pick we have. Very few (if any) positions where we don’t need help.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:56 am
475.guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:54 am
I’m sure there was a small faction that didn’t jive with DA last year, and those guys will be gone next year.
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But is that a good thing? Maybe the people who were critical were just frustrated by the lack of direction and even DA has to mend some fences in communication with key players considering he jettisoned 4 key members of the coaching staff.
Now if there were no coaching changes, I’d be glad to get rid of the malcontents. But as it is right now, it’s hard to judge them for their misgivings if leadership was out of joint. You want players to be critical if they see flaws that need to be corrected.
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The coaches are around these guys all the time. They know who wants to be in Oakland and who doesn’t.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:57 am
First pick at #3 has to be a stud D-lineman IMO. Then we don’t pick until the 3rd round…
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Here’s the problem. That gap in picks is huge. Reggie really needs to trade back from #3 and pick up another late first rounder or even early second rounder. We have too many needs to address to put all our eggs in the one stud upgrade basket.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:58 am
Edward Teach Says:
Nice thing about the current situation is that they can be gotten rid of without the owner stepping in and renewing their scholarship aqnd undermining the coaching staff.
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At least we hope so. Empty stadium seats can make bad things happen.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:00 am
The coaches are around these guys all the time. They know who wants to be in Oakland and who doesn’t.
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A little oversimplified dontcha think? There aren’t any “rah-rah” guys who “want” to be Raiders anymore. A team is a group of 53 independent contractors who are selling their services for the highest dollar. The ones who want to stay here are the ones who buy into the coaches putting them into position to gather personal stats that parlay into big money contracts. Even the best character guys like Tim Tebow are malcontents when their monetary contract value dips because of inept coaching.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:00 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:58 am
Edward Teach Says:
Nice thing about the current situation is that they can be gotten rid of without the owner stepping in and renewing their scholarship aqnd undermining the coaching staff.
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At least we hope so. Empty stadium seats can make bad things happen.
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True enough. I posted awhile back that if Mark starts channeling the old man and goes all knee-jerk on everybody it will set the franchise back another five years, at least.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Guest123 Says:
Here’s the problem. That gap in picks is huge. Reggie really needs to trade back from #3 and pick up another late first rounder or even early second rounder. We have too many needs to address to put all our eggs in the one stud upgrade basket.
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Agree 100%. I think the best option will be to trade out of the #3 pick to a team that picks late in the first round. Get them to give up that late first rounder plus their second rounder.
Then you’re only missing a fifth rounder. But you might be able to trade a player to pick up additional picks.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:00 pm
38.elraidmanhattan Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 3:58 pm
No Dr. Robert posting, thought the guy was on meth he posts 24 hours a day
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Maybe he just finally clucked his Computer
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that’s what happens when u get sick. in bed most of the day and giving my fellow raider fans the medicine they need makes me laugh, and laughter is the best medicine. just slept for a good 12 hours. ahh. back to post truth.
and i’m not sullivan/mr btw. big difference between us. i’m a raider fan. he’s not. i have busted on him many times.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:08 am
480.guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:00 am
The coaches are around these guys all the time. They know who wants to be in Oakland and who doesn’t.
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A little oversimplified dontcha think? There aren’t any “rah-rah” guys who “want” to be Raiders anymore. A team is a group of 53 independent contractors who are selling their services for the highest dollar. The ones who want to stay here are the ones who buy into the coaches putting them into position to gather personal stats that parlay into big money contracts. Even the best character guys like Tim Tebow are malcontents when their monetary contract value dips because of inept coaching.
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Maybe my post was simply worded, but I didn’t oversimply the situation itself. The coaches see the effort in practice, they see the effort in games, they see the preparation that does or doesn’t take place. They see body language as well, and don’t think for a minute that they don’t talk to the players.
As far as the money thing goes, it’s pretty easy to spot a player that’s in it for that and only that. Team-first players help you win, and the money follows. Not the other way around. Not being naive here, because I know it’s a business to these guys, but the players that put their personal situation ABOVE the team are the guys you don’t want, and you can bet that the staff knows who they are.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 am
I fear people just assume to trade down, all you have to do is pick up the phone.
I don’t think anyone wants to trade UP in this draft. If you do trade down this season, you might get less value than any other draft season of trade downs.
People just assume, trade down from #3 to #10, and pick up a 2nd rounder and maybe more.
Well, what if your 5 minutes comes up at #3, and one team offers to trade you down to #12, and will give you a 4th rounder this year and a 3rd next year?
Very likely, that Reggie WANTS to trade down, but can’t find an acceptable dance partner.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:14 am
To get a 2nd round pick, I think we have to be the TRADE UP guys.
Offer our 4th and a player, maybe Jacoby or TK or something like that.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 am
…but the players that put their personal situation ABOVE the team are the guys you don’t want, and you can bet that the staff knows who they are.
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I don’t think you are naive, but I think that those kind of guys are rare and themselves are naive for thinking like that. In the end, the NFL is always looking to replace you. You play the game in audition for your potential replacement. The game, the league, the fans show no loyalty. It’s just a uniform color and number. Guys put a lifetime of work to get to this level and are quickly shown the door if they lose a step or get injured. It’s a brutal business, and if I were a player, I’d look after my own interests first and the teams later. I guess I’d be one of the problem children.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:16 am
Troll Patrol Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 10:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Did I tell you guys that I worship Dr. Robert. He’s the best poster ever.
I totally agree with everything he says.
You dorks can’t handle the truth.
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Robert the Moron. I always knew you were one of the bigger trolls in here.
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well, thanks dj johnny. it’s hard being a truth sayer in a storm of nonsense. pretty sure the last decade has completely obliterated a lot of fans’ ability to see straight.
not sure why it’s such a bad thing to advise not buying into:
1) ragging on our good (not great) qb, who is after all, a raider, and a guy who has done everything he can to support the team, including pryor.
2) not wasting time getting to fixated on a guy like pryor, who by all reasonable accounts, is a very serious long shot to be a quality starting nfl qb. and that’s the goal isn’t it? with a guy with his unbelievably abilities, shouldn’t we be sensibly hoping to get real production out of him? at wr.
isn’t pryor at qb, just another version of dhb, ausberry, b.campbell, mitchell, dudley, etc.? only at a position that mainly requires the one thing he doesn’t do well? i’m suddenly sullivan cuz i see the obvious fatal flaw for him?
why not acknowledge that he’s a great kid with serious abilities but doesn’t pass well? clamor for a move to wr, and hope we ride out this palmer age well, and get a good young prospect? doesn’t that seem to be the wise choice, given the circumstances?
and as for trolling, i find it humorous. i don’t think there is another poster that has aped my style or anything. that seems to always be an allegation as soon as someone says something another poster doesn’t like. i mean it’s not like suddenly people are sprouting up to support me (the typical cross-posting thing), like they do for missdick, beech, etc.
dj johnny posts here often. pretty sure he’s not me.
oh wait. he is me, and i am sullivan, and sullivan is kell (new version). is that better? only one guy speaking the truth?
January 4th, 2013 at 6:18 am
Maybe it’s just blind hope. But there are a number of prospects who can potentially get teams fired up to trade with us at #3. Let’s wait on the pro days and the combine and you’ll see some media guys start to salivate over potential “franchise guys” who grade out statistically with RG3 or Luck, even if they don’t have the production. Someone will give us a 2nd rounder to move up. Reggie has to pounce on that while the iron is hot.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Offer our 4th and a player, maybe Jacoby or TK or something like that.
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I’d be glad to throw them both in the deal and toss in a bag of fritos.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Watching that Oregon game last night…76 yards and a TD in 46 seconds without spending a timeout…granted the clock stops on a first down but…wow!
January 4th, 2013 at 6:23 am
If you look at most of the trade up scenarios in past drafts, it is mostly for a QB or skill-player, where this draft is lacking.
People rarely trade up for an interior D-lineman.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Oregon is just too fast for K-State. Opening kickoff just smooth as shht thru a goose and then a 2 pt conversion, 8-0.. then 15-0….and the party was on. Chip Kelly should take the jump soon.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 am
I fear people just assume to trade down, all you have to do is pick up the phone.
I don’t think anyone wants to trade UP in this draft. If you do trade down this season, you might get less value than any other draft season of trade downs.
People just assume, trade down from #3 to #10, and pick up a 2nd rounder and maybe more.
Well, what if your 5 minutes comes up at #3, and one team offers to trade you down to #12, and will give you a 4th rounder this year and a 3rd next year?
Very likely, that Reggie WANTS to trade down, but can’t find an acceptable dance partner.
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trading down is tricky, but we may be in the right spot. there are multiple pass rushers at the top. that’s the strength of the draft. a lot of teams may feel like they can watch the top 2 picks come off and trade to our spot to grab their pass rusher. we do need picks.
we could desperately use a stud at OLB/DE, MLB, DT, OL, etc. and all those spots will be there. getting moore, jones, teo, star, joeckel, or warmack is very tempting, and if end up doing it, we’ll LIKELY have a good player.
but let us all not forget how dicey the draft is. there will be at least a couple busts in the top 10 and a few who don’t exactly get to their stud-status.
it will be nice getting a top player, but it will suck to wait until the 3rd to pick again, which is like having last year’s draft again, just with a top pick also.
it will be fun anyway.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:26 am
That Georgia QB would jump to the top of the board if he decides to come out. Folks say he’s as good as Matt Stafford. All I care is that he becomes a bargaining chip for us to parlay into a 2nd round pick. Hope he declares.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 am
there are multiple pass rushers at the top. that’s the strength of the draft.
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Well if that’s the case, why would any team wanting a pass-rusher trade up and give a pick, if they can stand idly and have a pass rusher avail when they pick?
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 am
485.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:13 am
I fear people just assume to trade down, all you have to do is pick up the phone.
I don’t think anyone wants to trade UP in this draft. If you do trade down this season, you might get less value than any other draft season of trade downs.
People just assume, trade down from #3 to #10, and pick up a 2nd rounder and maybe more.
Well, what if your 5 minutes comes up at #3, and one team offers to trade you down to #12, and will give you a 4th rounder this year and a 3rd next year?
Very likely, that Reggie WANTS to trade down, but can’t find an acceptable dance partner.
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Agreed, and the thing that makes it difficult is that there are really no “got to have” players this year. You could conceivably even overdraft a quarterback without moving into the top ten or twelve picks to do it.
We just have to hope that someone falls in love with a particular player and panics.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:30 am
aaron murray won’t go that high. he’s getting hyped right now, but he’s 6′1″, a serious issue for gm’s to pick him that high. mid-to-late 1st would be about as high as i could imagine. maybe even top 2nd, which, if we were to grab a 2nd rounder would be interesting for US. that’s if jax and kc already have their qb anyway.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:30 am
I have been touting Aaron Murray for years.
Love his moxie, ony thing keeping him from being a top 10 pick, is the same thing that caused it for Russell Wilson.
2 inches too short, ideally.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
People just assume, trade down from #3 to #10, and pick up a 2nd rounder and maybe more.
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Well I specifically mentioned a late first round trade partner. I agree, you’re not going to get the #10 team to trade up to #3 for multiple picks.
But you might get a #25 or so to trade up. Might not get a 2nd rounder packaged with it, but you could possibly get something out of it. Maybe a later round pick, maybe a player.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:34 am
Russell Wilson is a player. If that’s his comparable, he’s a lot closer to the type of NFL QB that coordinators are salivating over than big tall less mobile arm QB’s. It’s the way the league is morphing.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 am
POST-485,497,I AGREE,BUT IF DONT GET YOUR PRICE,MAKE THE PICK AT 3..
January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 am
While nobody expects the Raiders to get the Rams parlay of picks for RG3, they did set a precedent for the Raiders this year. It’s a starting point for negotaions. I think a lot of you are setting the bar too low. The add’l 2nd rounder is minimal trade value imo.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:23 am
If you look at most of the trade up scenarios in past drafts, it is mostly for a QB or skill-player, where this draft is lacking.
People rarely trade up for an interior D-lineman.
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There isn’t a very big sample size though because the rookie cap has only been in place a few years, and nobody really knows how many teams even tried to trade down.
I’m fine either way here… if he picks a stud defensive player at three and then improves the o-line later, great. If he trades down for more players and hopes one of them plays as well as a #3… thats fine too. There’s risks involved in both strategies. The draft is always a crap shoot.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 am
there are multiple pass rushers at the top. that’s the strength of the draft.
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Well if that’s the case, why would any team wanting a pass-rusher trade up and give a pick, if they can stand idly and have a pass rusher avail when they pick?
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a lot depends on what kc and jax do, of course. but the raiders are going to be clear trade partners for anyone wanting to vault up and snatch their guy, before a run on the big 4 rushers (moore, jones, werner, mingo).
kc #29), jax (#32), philly (#25), and lions (#20) all had garbage pass rushes, so someone might really try to jump in and make sure they get one. with no top qb prospects, it’s very conceivable that all 5 of the top drafting teams would be interested in those 4 players. a lot will change by then and who knows how the final board will stack up. but we’re in prime position to trade down to say #9 with the jets (#25 pass rush), pick up a 2nd rounder, and get hankins or williams (DT’s), milliner (CB), or even dion jordan (another DE from oregon).
January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 am
487.guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 am
…but the players that put their personal situation ABOVE the team are the guys you don’t want, and you can bet that the staff knows who they are.
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I don’t think you are naive, but I think that those kind of guys are rare and themselves are naive for thinking like that. In the end, the NFL is always looking to replace you. You play the game in audition for your potential replacement. The game, the league, the fans show no loyalty. It’s just a uniform color and number. Guys put a lifetime of work to get to this level and are quickly shown the door if they lose a step or get injured. It’s a brutal business, and if I were a player, I’d look after my own interests first and the teams later. I guess I’d be one of the problem children.
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I agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but teams are not like fans. They look at more than just stats. They look at commitment and effort and how a player performs in a team situation when he’s on the field. They can tell when a guy just trying to get sacks, for example, as opposed to taking up double teams when he’s supposed to or selling out to stop a running play. They can tell when a running back refuses to block in the passing game, or when a receiver cuts short a route so he doesn’t get hit.
I think we’re both right, actually. It’s just that teams are going to require that you do the WHOLE job and not just the part that looks good on the highlight show or in the papers the next morning before they give you that big contract. If anybody DOES give a contract to the player that doesn’t execute on all levels then the team that player left is probably better off, and the new team will no doubt regret tying up that much money in one player. I give you Mario Willimas as an example. Houston fans were actually laughing at the Bills for paying him stupid money. Yeah, his stats were good, but he only played when he felt like it and their (Houston’s) defense hasn’t missed a beat since he left.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:43 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:34 am
Russell Wilson is a player. If that’s his comparable, he’s a lot closer to the type of NFL QB that coordinators are salivating over than big tall less mobile arm QB’s. It’s the way the league is morphing.
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It might just be an aberration though. The playoffs are a complete different beast than the regular season… lets see if these “wave of the future” QBs accomplish anything at all in the playoffs. Most of the defenses are pretty stout in the playoffs… thus it requires the QB to make the clutch throws in the end to pull it out. If they are more of a run-first player than a passer… will they be able to make those throws?
We shall see…
January 4th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:34 am
Russell Wilson is a player. If that’s his comparable, he’s a lot closer to the type of NFL QB that coordinators are salivating over than big tall less mobile arm QB’s. It’s the way the league is morphing.
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not true. mel kiper was just talking about barkely’s height hurting him. most of the nfl’s starting qb’s are at least 6′2″. most of the “new wave” are tall as well. griffin is 6′2″. newton is 6′5″. kaepernick is 6′4″. and guys like peyton, brady, rodgers, ryan, and roethlisberger still own the league. and luck (6′4″), dalton (6′2″), and stafford (6′3″) all are young guns who fit the traditional model.
it’s not that i don’ think murray could make it. i have no idea about him yet. it’s just likely to cause red flags when it comes to height.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:00 am
It’s just that teams are going to require that you do the WHOLE job and not just the part that looks good on the highlight show or in the papers the next morning before they give you that big contract. If anybody DOES give a contract to the player that doesn’t execute on all levels then the team that player left is probably better off, and the new team will no doubt regret tying up that much money in one player.
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I agree with this line of thinking. The “eye in the sky” don’t lie as they say. Every player, every snap is evaluated start to finish, even the sideline shots of players sagging shoulders and acting frustrated gets looked at. The entire 4 hours they are out there, the camera is always on. Each player has to execute on the dirty work to be considered a well rounded player and potential asset. There are a lot of one trick ponies out there who are overrated simply because of stats. Kam Wimbley was one of them. So was Stanford Routt. It’s why they are gone, that and the money they commanded.
Now I have a question for you. Darrius Heyward-Bey has been a good player on and off the field, fearless blocker, well rounded player, average at best receiver. He’s done everything with effort and you can’t ask him to do anything more. He’s no Calvin Johnson, and he’ll never be one. So what do you do with his $7M contract next year? He’s one of the “team first” guys, who busted tail and tried his darndest to earn his keep, but the business side says we should cut him if he doesn’t take a massive pay cut. Does this seem fair?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:05 am
I think it matters. If they feel good that this top 3 pick is a sure superstar. You take him. I think you build with the best possible at a position or two. To me the nfl talent isnt that different from practice squad to your average player. its about the guy who makes you focus on him which makes these average players better. Id rather have a shot at a demarcus ware type. Than to houstons.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I posted a little bit about this a couple of days ago, but I’ll do it again and hope nobody minds.
I don’t see the league “morphing” into anything. What I do see is the new contact rules allowing for a style of play from quarterbacks that was unheard of not too very long ago. One could even argue that Vick’s career was hortened by those rules not coming into play earlier. No way in the world would a team allow their franchise player to risk life and limb before that.
That said, the league still requires that you have the ability to throw the ball, and be very good at it. Look no further than the emergence of RGIII and the marginalization of Tim Tebow. Both great runners, but one can throw like an NFL quarterback and the other one can’t. Dropback passers have won the last however many Super Bowls, and it’s a good bet that they’re not going to stop producing them. If a guy can move and not throw, he won’t play, however if a guy is not mobile and can throw, there will be a place for him on an NFL team.
It all depends on the player you have access to.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:07 am
More players that wont matter.. woot woot as they say
January 4th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:00 am
It’s just that teams are going to require that you do the WHOLE job and not just the part that looks good on the highlight show or in the papers the next morning before they give you that big contract. If anybody DOES give a contract to the player that doesn’t execute on all levels then the team that player left is probably better off, and the new team will no doubt regret tying up that much money in one player.
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I agree with this line of thinking. The “eye in the sky” don’t lie as they say. Every player, every snap is evaluated start to finish, even the sideline shots of players sagging shoulders and acting frustrated gets looked at. The entire 4 hours they are out there, the camera is always on. Each player has to execute on the dirty work to be considered a well rounded player and potential asset. There are a lot of one trick ponies out there who are overrated simply because of stats. Kam Wimbley was one of them. So was Stanford Routt. It’s why they are gone, that and the money they commanded.
Now I have a question for you. Darrius Heyward-Bey has been a good player on and off the field, fearless blocker, well rounded player, average at best receiver. He’s done everything with effort and you can’t ask him to do anything more. He’s no Calvin Johnson, and he’ll never be one. So what do you do with his $7M contract next year? He’s one of the “team first” guys, who busted tail and tried his darndest to earn his keep, but the business side says we should cut him if he doesn’t take a massive pay cut. Does this seem fair?
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i like dhb. i’d like him back. but not at that number. we’ve seen what he can do. his targets dropped this year. streater is our best wr. moore may be trade bait. we could spend that money on a legit #1. if he could caome back for $2 million, sure. and he might. cuz his agent surely knows he won’t get much from anyone else. at best. he’s seen as a #3 by everyone else. no team brings him in as a starter. if we sign a #1, he could be the #3 here behind streater.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:08 am
509.guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:00 am
It’s just that teams are going to require that you do the WHOLE job and not just the part that looks good on the highlight show or in the papers the next morning before they give you that big contract. If anybody DOES give a contract to the player that doesn’t execute on all levels then the team that player left is probably better off, and the new team will no doubt regret tying up that much money in one player.
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I agree with this line of thinking. The “eye in the sky” don’t lie as they say. Every player, every snap is evaluated start to finish, even the sideline shots of players sagging shoulders and acting frustrated gets looked at. The entire 4 hours they are out there, the camera is always on. Each player has to execute on the dirty work to be considered a well rounded player and potential asset. There are a lot of one trick ponies out there who are overrated simply because of stats. Kam Wimbley was one of them. So was Stanford Routt. It’s why they are gone, that and the money they commanded.
Now I have a question for you. Darrius Heyward-Bey has been a good player on and off the field, fearless blocker, well rounded player, average at best receiver. He’s done everything with effort and you can’t ask him to do anything more. He’s no Calvin Johnson, and he’ll never be one. So what do you do with his $7M contract next year? He’s one of the “team first” guys, who busted tail and tried his darndest to earn his keep, but the business side says we should cut him if he doesn’t take a massive pay cut. Does this seem fair?
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I don’t know how his salary stacks up against other receivers in the league with comparable ability. What I do know is that he’s not reliable catching the ball, and that has to count for something.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:11 am
it seems like all the top of the OCs are getting interviews. But I haven’t heard the Raiders name come up. I hope you’re not late to the party again Reggie
January 4th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I posted a little bit about this a couple of days ago, but I’ll do it again and hope nobody minds.
I don’t see the league “morphing” into anything. What I do see is the new contact rules allowing for a style of play from quarterbacks that was unheard of not too very long ago. One could even argue that Vick’s career was hortened by those rules not coming into play earlier. No way in the world would a team allow their franchise player to risk life and limb before that.
That said, the league still requires that you have the ability to throw the ball, and be very good at it. Look no further than the emergence of RGIII and the marginalization of Tim Tebow. Both great runners, but one can throw like an NFL quarterback and the other one can’t. Dropback passers have won the last however many Super Bowls, and it’s a good bet that they’re not going to stop producing them. If a guy can move and not throw, he won’t play, however if a guy is not mobile and can throw, there will be a place for him on an NFL team.
It all depends on the player you have access to.
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this is why missdick’s “wave of the future” is so dumb. to be a “wave of the future”, u have to be tall, able to throw like a traditional nfl qb, AND be really mobile. these guys will be rare. most qb’s don’t pan out. it’s a tough league. guys with griffin and newton’s abilities are not growing on trees.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 am
Marks Hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:11 am
it seems like all the top of the OCs are getting interviews. But I haven’t heard the Raiders name come up. I hope you’re not late to the party again Reggie
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he probably wants someone from a playoff team playing this week.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:14 am
you don’t spend top 10 draft picks on wide receivers that can’t catch the ball. Dhb got drafted too early it’s not his fault but he has to go or take a huge pay cut..
January 4th, 2013 at 7:14 am
The point is the league is morphing to some degree by protecting the QB so much more than a decade ago. Teams can roll out the QB and he can slide or duck near the marker and the defensive guy will completely let up in attempting to tackle him. He’s conceding at least a yard or even two yards for the first down marker just because it’s the QB running. If it was a running back, that guy would be gang tackled and stripped of the football type assault. The new rules give a huge advantage to a mobile QB who is given a lot of free terrain. It’s really pretty unfair to the defenses.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Probably wants a green bay coach.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:20 am
519. Exactly. Qbs whether they can move around in the pocket really well or scramble will have an advantage nowadays it’s just the way new rules are set up. smaller wide receivers are making a little come back to because the field is getting more spread out and you can hit anybody over the middle
January 4th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Guy’s who pan out in this league first and foremost have to be accurate passers and be able to read defenses. Those two are primary qualities. Arm strength is overrated, sure you need some but not as important as instinctively having pocket awareness and always looking downfield. All the physical measureables are not very important in evaluating a QB. Add in mobility to the equation, and you are talking about the potential for a stud QB. It’s where Wilson and Kappy are heading to. The new soft rules are really helping them to get ahead of the learning curve very quickly.
The league is morphing. How can anyone say it’s not?
When you have half the QB’s (6) in the playoffs who are rookies or 2nd year guys, there is a changing of the guard. Out with the old in with the new. Marley yesterday put up a long post from smart football that talked about the change. I agree.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Cant hit anybody over the middle.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:22 am
519.guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:14 am
The point is the league is morphing to some degree by protecting the QB so much more than a decade ago. Teams can roll out the QB and he can slide or duck near the marker and the defensive guy will completely let up in attempting to tackle him. He’s conceding at least a yard or even two yards for the first down marker just because it’s the QB running. If it was a running back, that guy would be gang tackled and stripped of the football type assault. The new rules give a huge advantage to a mobile QB who is given a lot of free terrain. It’s really pretty unfair to the defenses.
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I agree with this, however the new rules also benefit the dropback passers. They know they can’t get punished like they used to, and can take that extra nanosecond or two to find the open receiver (who is also running around with a lot less to worry about). Guys are going to get hurt regardless of whether they run or stand in, but I’d say the rules benefit both parties equally, if not in different ways.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:24 am
i like dhb. i’d like him back. but not at that number. we’ve seen what he can do. his targets dropped this year. streater is our best wr. moore may be trade bait. we could spend that money on a legit #1. if he could caome back for $2 million, sure. and he might. cuz his agent surely knows he won’t get much from anyone else. at best. he’s seen as a #3 by everyone else. no team brings him in as a starter. if we sign a #1, he could be the #3 here behind streater.
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A guy with DHB’s speed but no hands needed to be used like Percey Harvin… tons of bubble screens, reverses, hell, use him at RB at times. Just get the damn ball in his hands.
If you look at what Knapp did with this offense this past year one would think the only player worth a plug nickle was Myers. Kinda like the years we had Zach and nothing else.
DHB is not worth anything close to 7 mil if we don’t have an OC that knows how to use him. If we are going to continue relying on the 32nd best OC in the NFL, we just as well cut our losses…
January 4th, 2013 at 7:30 am
top 10 qb’s in the nfl:
rodgers
p.manning
griffin
wilson
ryan
brady
roethlisberger
brees
schaub
romo
mobile qb’s tearing it up? a little.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:14 am
you don’t spend top 10 draft picks on wide receivers that can’t catch the ball. Dhb got drafted too early it’s not his fault but he has to go or take a huge pay cut..
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Agree with all of this. Not his fault. Good guy.
Pay cut or walk.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Raiders staff to coach North in Senior Bowl
those poor kids!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Marks Hair Says:
Probably wants a green bay coach.
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Or someone on any of playoff teams.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Breaking News:
Oakland Raiders’ General Manager Reggie McKenzie was found this morning asleep in a dumpster outside of the Green Bay Packers practice facility. When asked by the authorities what he was doing in the dumpster McKenzie said he was looking for a starting safety, but instead he found a pound cake and fell into a sugar stupor and passed out.
Upon his release from the hospital, McKenzie said he planned on finishing his search and then planned on going to New Orleans to search dumpsters for an offensive coordinator.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:43 am
I’ll say this then I gotta run; watch the Football Life episode on Jimmy Johnson. There’s a segment where he and Belechik are on his boat talking about how defenders are afraid to hit receivers downfield. Belechik says “Yeah. You can just stand in there and throw it to ‘em all day.”
January 4th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Scott Pioli out in KC. That means Andy Reid will try the HC/GM gig right? That rarely works.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:45 am
I think it means Tom Heckert is in as GM transferring over from Cleveland.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 am
KC is doing this transition all wrong. First you fire Pioli and then you hire a new GM and that guy hires coach Reid. I think I read somewhere that Pioli was on the plane to Philly to meet with Reid and was part of the interviewing group. Days later gets canned, and the defacto GM will walk into his job knowing that AR has top spade cards.
This kind of reminds me of last year when we got rid of megalomaniac Hue Jackson. That was done the right way. KC is going to find out the hard way.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/chiefs-announce-that-g-m-scott-pioli-has-been-fired
Heckert coming over…
January 4th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Breaking News:
Oakland Raiders’ General Manager Reggie McKenzie was found this morning asleep in a dumpster outside of the Green Bay Packers practice facility. When asked by the authorities what he was doing in the dumpster McKenzie said he was looking for a starting safety, but instead he found a pound cake and fell into a sugar stupor and passed out.
Upon his release from the hospital, McKenzie said he planned on finishing his search and then planned on going to New Orleans to search dumpsters for an offensive coordinator.
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Breaking News;
There all coming back DA, McKenzie, Pryor , Palmer
get on board. this only makes the comedy that much more pitiful.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I posted a little bit about this a couple of days ago, but I’ll do it again and hope nobody minds.
I don’t see the league “morphing” into anything. What I do see is the new contact rules allowing for a style of play from quarterbacks that was unheard of not too very long ago. One could even argue that Vick’s career was hortened by those rules not coming into play earlier. No way in the world would a team allow their franchise player to risk life and limb before that.
That said, the league still requires that you have the ability to throw the ball, and be very good at it. Look no further than the emergence of RGIII and the marginalization of Tim Tebow. Both great runners, but one can throw like an NFL quarterback and the other one can’t. Dropback passers have won the last however many Super Bowls, and it’s a good bet that they’re not going to stop producing them. If a guy can move and not throw, he won’t play, however if a guy is not mobile and can throw, there will be a place for him on an NFL team.
It all depends on the player you have access to.
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Very good post
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 am
KC is doing this transition all wrong. First you fire Pioli and then you hire a new GM and that guy hires coach Reid. I think I read somewhere that Pioli was on the plane to Philly to meet with Reid and was part of the interviewing group. Days later gets canned, and the defacto GM will walk into his job knowing that AR has top spade cards.
This kind of reminds me of last year when we got rid of megalomaniac Hue Jackson. That was done the right way. KC is going to find out the hard way.
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Dysfunction.
Its catching.
“no one wants anything to do with the Kansas City Chiefs right now. … I know how they run it. It’s way too mechanical. They want robots in the front office, not evaluators. It’s important to have a system and to make scouting a science as much as you can, but this business is about having a gut feel and calling it like you see it. I don’t want a robot scouting for me.” ”
-Pro Football Weekly, “Audibles”
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:52 am
KC is doing this transition all wrong. First you fire Pioli and then you hire a new GM and that guy hires coach Reid. I think I read somewhere that Pioli was on the plane to Philly to meet with Reid and was part of the interviewing group. Days later gets canned, and the defacto GM will walk into his job knowing that AR has top spade cards.
This kind of reminds me of last year when we got rid of megalomaniac Hue Jackson. That was done the right way. KC is going to find out the hard way.
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After reading the article it says Heckert is coming, and he worked with Reid in Philly.
Sounds like a Bruce Allen/Gruden package deal type of thing with the HC having the real power and the GM just doing his bidding.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am
I can accept that our roster is talent depleted, our coaches are young and green, and that our GM is a rookie. The only thing that strikes me as pitiful is seeing #55 still on the roster. Get rid of that mistake, and there’s nothing pitiful to talk about.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Honestly…With DHB being the kind of person and “Team” guy that he is, I can totally see him restructuring to stay on board. Plus, he probably knows in his heart of hearts that, he’s not a hot comodity for anywhere else.
I’d be on board with this given all that was stated above ie: work eithic, effort, team first attitude, and dedication to improvement. That’s all the kind of stuff you want on the practice field and locker room, considering he IS our most veteran WR at this point.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am
If I coyld keep our first. Trade all other picjs maybe a playyer for another first. Do it in a heart beat.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
http://youtu.be/CCCombuZXwY
PROFILE ON NEW RUNNING BACK JON HOESE. in his twitter he describes himself as RIGGINS
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Yeah and I describe myself as Tom Brady lol
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Rudegruden Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I posted a little bit about this a couple of days ago, but I’ll do it again and hope nobody minds.
I don’t see the league “morphing” into anything. What I do see is the new contact rules allowing for a style of play from quarterbacks that was unheard of not too very long ago. One could even argue that Vick’s career was hortened by those rules not coming into play earlier. No way in the world would a team allow their franchise player to risk life and limb before that.
That said, the league still requires that you have the ability to throw the ball, and be very good at it. Look no further than the emergence of RGIII and the marginalization of Tim Tebow. Both great runners, but one can throw like an NFL quarterback and the other one can’t. Dropback passers have won the last however many Super Bowls, and it’s a good bet that they’re not going to stop producing them. If a guy can move and not throw, he won’t play, however if a guy is not mobile and can throw, there will be a place for him on an NFL team.
It all depends on the player you have access to.
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Its a nice thing to run…until the defenses catch up…or the qb gets creamed (like RGIII did TWICE.
if its run in the right situation a few times, ok..but the turnover or big hit is lurking.
accuracy and great WRs and RBs that can run-after-the-catch make that thing work, along with a bellcow RB like Lynch and Alfred Morris.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:58 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:56 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:25 pm
http://youtu.be/CCCombuZXwY
PROFILE ON NEW RUNNING BACK JON HOESE. in his twitter he describes himself as RIGGINS
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Yeah and I describe myself as Tom Brady lol
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Good for him – if he proves it, he can shut these haters and chicken littles up.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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Schaub got his a$% handed to him by the Pats , and by the Ravens last year – he’s entering Matty Ice territory very quickly.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Sounds like a Bruce Allen/Gruden package deal type of thing with the HC having the real power and the GM just doing his bidding.
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Yep, and that didn’t work out in Tampa. Just led to a series of bad drafting and zero accountability. Andy Reid is a mess personally and professionally. He needs to see a shrink full time and take a year or two off from the game. And him stepping into the Gruden role overnight just flames his bloated ego. KC Chiefs are a trainwreak.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 am
How many yards does calvin johnson end up with, if he was a raider in this offencelast year. 1200? Not sure even a thousand
January 4th, 2013 at 8:00 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Raiders staff to coach North in Senior Bowl
those poor kids!
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tell that to the Vikings – they went to the playoffs after coaching the Sr. Bowl
then again, they have Adrian Peterson.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
I wonder be more interested in a trade down if we were picking around 10 or so, when the talent level drops a bit.
But we are talking the #3 pick in the draft, why would I want to trade down and get a Pat Lee (2nd round Packers pick) or Tony Bergstrom and get a lesser talented player?
We already have plenty of middle-level talent, we need some top-shelf palyers.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Pretty sure heckert knows reid. Probably gave a thumbs up.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Good one, Dakota (#530)
In response to QB height talks from earlier, does it REALLY matter if a guy is 6′-1″ and not 6′-2″?? C’mon..
All that matters is how well the guy plays, see Drew Brees…
January 4th, 2013 at 8:02 am
tell that to the Vikings – they went to the playoffs after coaching the Sr. Bowl
then again, they have Adrian Peterson.
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And tell it to the Redskins – they also went to the playoffs after coaching the Sr. Bowl.
then again, can’t go wrong with RG3. But look at Cousins and look at Morris, a guy we could have drafted, in the 6th round!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Pretty sure heckert knows reid. Probably gave a thumbs up.
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Navy speak: Never a good thing when the XO choose the captain.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
I say we trade our whole draft for the rights to bring Ricky Williams out of retirement.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Sounds like a Bruce Allen/Gruden package deal type of thing with the HC having the real power and the GM just doing his bidding.
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Yep, and that didn’t work out in Tampa. Just led to a series of bad drafting and zero accountability. Andy Reid is a mess personally and professionally. He needs to see a shrink full time and take a year or two off from the game. And him stepping into the Gruden role overnight just flames his bloated ego. KC Chiefs are a trainwreak.
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not really, they had 5 pro bowlers; Tamba Hali, Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles to name 3…they were screwed at QB…and Reid made a lot of noise when Jim Johnson, John Harbaugh and Sean McDermott were there.
depends who they bring in at QB, could be more of the same or better than us, if we dont get our schitt together…man, was Peyton Hillis a bust.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Problem with the mobile QB’s, is that they get older, slower and dinged up, and the defense stays young, fast as possible and healthy.
Unless the plan is to continue to rotate in younger QB’s and run these read option things, not sure where this will take us.
RGIII is not running the zone read in 4 years. Neither is Russell Wilson. Cam might be a little longer, but not much.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
I wonder be more interested in a trade down if we were picking around 10 or so, when the talent level drops a bit.
But we are talking the #3 pick in the draft, why would I want to trade down and get a Pat Lee (2nd round Packers pick) or Tony Bergstrom and get a lesser talented player?
We already have plenty of middle-level talent, we need some top-shelf palyers.
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I agree….I want a stud with the #3 pick instead of a couple of mediocre players. Yes, nothing is guaranteed, but I would have to know that none of the top players, like Joeckel, Star or the best DE are studs before I would trade down.
If none of them jump out as stars, then fine, trade down.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 am
well it looks like andy reid will go to the chiefs they fired scott pioli, man the raiders just look horrible compared to the broncos, and now the chiefs might turn a corner and who knows who’s going to san diego, it better not be the rumor of gruden. we are in for another horrible year and i hate to say that this early, but there’s still hope offseason hasn’t really even started yet.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/chiefs-announce-that-g-m-scott-pioli-has-been-fired/
January 4th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Id rather use the pick. But thats mostly because of some of the poor draft grades that ive been hearing. Wish clowney was eligible this yr.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I posted a little bit about this a couple of days ago, but I’ll do it again and hope nobody minds.
I don’t see the league “morphing” into anything.
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I did a little write up yesterday on this. The defense I called for was a hybrid nickle, where you had a single high safety, and 9-10 guys in the box which would either key the run or drop into zones depending on down and distance. One thing that no one seems to talk about with the read option is Marshawn Lynch, Frank Gore and Alfred Morris are the backs in that system. So
January 4th, 2013 at 8:07 am
everyone will be better than us in the afc west with the DA/reggie mistake….
January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Do the jags go qb again? Whats their move?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 am
So, keying those backs opens up a lot of options for those Q’s in either the run or pass game.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I want a stud with the #3 pick instead of a couple of mediocre players. Yes, nothing is guaranteed….
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stop right there. Nothing is guaranteed. Go look at the top ten draft lists of the past decade. Filled with as many busts as studs, probably more.
But there are lots and lots of studs that fall to the late first and second round. We need to gamble and get lucky that we can get 2 studs at the top of the draft rather than one. It’s all a roll of the dice anyway.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Do the jags go qb again? Whats their move?
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They need a pass rusher maybe worse than we do. which does not help us.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
I wonder be more interested in a trade down if we were picking around 10 or so, when the talent level drops a bit.
But we are talking the #3 pick in the draft, why would I want to trade down and get a Pat Lee (2nd round Packers pick) or Tony Bergstrom and get a lesser talented player?
We already have plenty of middle-level talent, we need some top-shelf palyers.
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What worries me is 8 of the top 10 are underclassmen from talent stocked teams. Is there a difference maker that changes the whole defense, did they come off career years? How soon would they hit the rookie wall? a lack of a franchise signal caller means Geno Smith could drop to 3 and we could get no decent trade offers.
Joeckel is projeced first, then Werner, then Jarvis Jones and not Manti Teo is fourth?! Is there a safe pick? are the real gems later in the draft like 2009 when Clay Matthews was at 26th, Cushing was at 15th and Percy Harvin at 22nd?
Jason Smith was a gigantic BUST at 2, Curry at 4, Tyson Jackson overdrafted at 3 Sanchez at 5, overweight Andre Smith at 6 and Good ol Darrius Heyward Bey at 7
is this 2009 all over again?!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:07 am
Id rather use the pick. But thats mostly because of some of the poor draft grades that ive been hearing. Wish clowney was eligible this yr.
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You want him playing for KC?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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These guys think Chad Pennington is the 13th best QB of all time. It’s pure comedy in here.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Focus in on the the top prizes that every GM is looking for: stud QB’s and guys that can maul stud QB’s.
This draft is loaded with guys who can take down stud QB’s and not so much stud QB’s.
There will be offers to move up for sure, but Reggie has to be patient and phone ready when he’s on the clock. Someone will be falling over themselves trying to get an impact speed rusher.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:08 am
I want a stud with the #3 pick instead of a couple of mediocre players. Yes, nothing is guaranteed….
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stop right there. Nothing is guaranteed. Go look at the top ten draft lists of the past decade. Filled with as many busts as studs, probably more.
But there are lots and lots of studs that fall to the late first and second round. We need to gamble and get lucky that we can get 2 studs at the top of the draft rather than one. It’s all a roll of the dice anyway.
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no 3 2009 Tyson Jackson
no 3 2010 Gerald McCoy (oft injured, somewhat effective)
no 3 2011 Marcel Darius
damn right its a roll of the dice..often times its the organization fluttering, re-hiring, committing money to average QB’s (Fitzpatrick, Cassel)
January 4th, 2013 at 8:13 am
558. True if they dont learn to pass from the pocket the mobile qb will have short carreers.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:14 am
no 3 2010 Gerald McCoy (oft injured, somewhat effective)
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McCoy made the probowl this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am
2011 really panned out, but that was when we were 8-8
outstanding top 10 included Cam Newton, Von Miller, AJ Green , Patrick Peterson, Julio Jones, Aldon Smith and J.J. Watt – jury still out on Jake Locker, Tyron Smith and Marcell Dareus , while a Blain Gabbert was a bust.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:14 am
no 3 2010 Gerald McCoy (oft injured, somewhat effective)
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McCoy made the probowl this year.
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no playoff, though – but i get your point. Is that player at 3 this year?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:17 am
They say that no QB will be drafted before the late 1st round.
Last time I thought was a weak QB class was 2011, and then all the nfl gms went nutz and drafted gabbert, locker and ponder at the top of the draft!
hopefully some team is fooled into drafting geno smith in the top three…..other than us lol.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Maybe Jets would trade up to 9 for Demontre Moore or Titans would trade up from 10 for Star Lotulelei or Dee Milliner
have to see how the all star games, combine and individual workouts play out
may not move from 3 at all.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Is that player at 3 this year?
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Jury’s out on that one. If it looks like there is a clear Von Miller type impact player, we should sit where we are and get him. But if it’s a cross your fingers and hope type prospect, I’d much rather grab a couple of good prospects that could help fill holes on both sides of the line. We got no shortage of issues.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 am
So, guys like Mike Shanahan, Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll who have implemented the zone-read-pistol stuff to varying degrees have no idea what they’re doing?. LOL.
Those concepts won’t take over the league entirely because you need a special QB to run them, but they will be integrated by those who happen to find a capable QB and a lot of teams will be looking for one in the upcoming years.
College QB’s are evolving too, the Tom Brady-Peyton Manning statue type of QB is getting harder to find and each oh those guys have suffered season-ending injuries while standing in the pocket where it gets just as dangerous when someone blind-sides you, at least running QB’s usually spot the incoming hitter and are able to slide.
Now look at the Redskins, they have RGIII and Kirk Cousins, maybe a part of the game’s evolution includes investing more than current teams do in a back-up QB who can step in if your starter goes down as a result of that style of play.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:17 am
They say that no QB will be drafted before the late 1st round.
Last time I thought was a weak QB class was 2011, and then all the nfl gms went nutz and drafted gabbert, locker and ponder at the top of the draft!
hopefully some team is fooled into drafting geno smith in the top three…..other than us lol.
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could mean Glennon or Aaron Murray is available later (if Murray declares) Cleveland or KC may even draft another QB or KC taking two
January 4th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Is that player at 3 this year?
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Jury’s out on that one. If it looks like there is a clear Von Miller type impact player, we should sit where we are and get him. But if it’s a cross your fingers and hope type prospect, I’d much rather grab a couple of good prospects that could help fill holes on both sides of the line. We got no shortage of issues.
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Down to Joeckel/Loutelelei or Werner at 3rd overall
wait for Brandon Jenkins, Corey Lemonier or Michael Buchanan at 66
January 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am
I don’t put it past KC to go after Alex Smith if he comes available. He’s a mobile WCO guy and Reid has manufactured good QB’s from trash heap players. He’s got a strong track history. And Alex Smith wants to be a starter. I could see this.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Down to Joeckel/Loutelelei or Werner at 3rd overall
wait for Brandon Jenkins, Corey Lemonier or Michael Buchanan at 66
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I like them all. My favorite is Werner the German dude. He’s a beast.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am
I don’t put it past KC to go after Alex Smith if he comes available. He’s a mobile WCO guy and Reid has manufactured good QB’s from trash heap players. He’s got a strong track history. And Alex Smith wants to be a starter. I could see this.
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Good move. A lot of people forgot about this guy – would KC put the coin up after the last “sure” thing from a winning team crapped out? and Alex Smith has a history…one good thing – he’d have a decent Running game and good receivers Bowe/Moeaki
January 4th, 2013 at 8:25 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am
I don’t put it past KC to go after Alex Smith if he comes available. He’s a mobile WCO guy and Reid has manufactured good QB’s from trash heap players. He’s got a strong track history. And Alex Smith wants to be a starter. I could see this.
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or a mid-round pick to AZ for Kolb? One can dream!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Down to Joeckel/Loutelelei or Werner at 3rd overall
wait for Brandon Jenkins, Corey Lemonier or Michael Buchanan at 66
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I like them all. My favorite is Werner the German dude. He’s a beast.
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the GERMINATOR. Hoping we get that J.J. Watt style beast…been missing for a LONG time
January 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am
As far as Pryor goes, we are in a good spot, Palmer is going nowhere due to his salary and he’s been a great techer for TP, the plan is very simple, let Palmer start next season and make TP the back-up so he can get more reps, keep learning and working on his passing.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:25 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:23 am
I don’t put it past KC to go after Alex Smith if he comes available. He’s a mobile WCO guy and Reid has manufactured good QB’s from trash heap players. He’s got a strong track history. And Alex Smith wants to be a starter. I could see this.
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or a mid-round pick to AZ for Kolb? One can dream!
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LOL another pinata for Desmond Bryant and Werner to smash!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Also, defenders are going to be more versed in the read-option of defense now moving up through it in college.
Was talking to some Cowboys fans on NYE, and they all thought that putting Ware on the edge and letting him try to read-react was a horrible decision. He struggled mightily trying to do it both times this season against Wash, and basically didn’t even needed to be blocked.
These new DE’s COMING OUT THIS YEAR, will be better at defending those things, than 10 year vets like Ware.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:26 am
As far as Pryor goes, we are in a good spot, Palmer is going nowhere due to his salary and he’s been a great techer for TP, the plan is very simple, let Palmer start next season and make TP the back-up so he can get more reps, keep learning and working on his passing.
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yeah, i know Allen was relieved to see that kid put up SOME numbers…. got his fist pumping after that score to Denarius Moore.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Done deal.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/report-chiefs-and-andy-reid-agree-to-deal/
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
Watt is just a physical specimen. Werner is more of a non-stop, high motor, high IQ player, like Allen.
Wonder if he can longsnap like Allen can?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
Watt is just a physical specimen. Werner is more of a non-stop, high motor, high IQ player, like Allen.
Wonder if he can longsnap like Allen can?
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I hope so.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
Watt is just a physical specimen. Werner is more of a non-stop, high motor, high IQ player, like Allen.
Wonder if he can longsnap like Allen can?
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Someone was on here saying the guy has bust written all over him…..not many QB pressures. Anyone have more info on this guy?
I am part German, so i like that!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
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spot on comparison. I was thinking the same thing. This guy is Jared Allen I swear in another uniform. I give you credit for typing it first, but I swear I was thinking the same thing.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Also, McKenzie is a young GM, so it seems a much likelier scenario he screws up a trade down scenario, than just taking someone at #3 who is at the top of EVERYBODY’S draft boards.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 am
you know they say some of the best trades are the ones never made.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
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spot on comparison. I was thinking the same thing. This guy is Jared Allen I swear in another uniform. I give you credit for typing it first, but I swear I was thinking the same thing.
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Not to be THAT guy, but I said that exact thing in here a week ago…
GOOD MORNING!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Is Werner capable of playing RDE in the NFL and suceed vs Pro Left Tackles?.
From what I can gather he’s a Left End at FSU, meaning he faced College Right Tackles that do not come close to matching NFL LT talent, that’s one thing that bothers me.
If we are drafting a DE or edge-rusher at # 3, I expect a dominant player who can give us 12 sacks a year.
I’ve heard Werner compared to Chris Long, the rare LDE who can absolutely rush the passer, if he’s that good I’m on board.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Not to be THAT guy, but I said that exact thing in here a week ago…
GOOD MORNING!
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Good morning. Sorry I don’t read this blog regularly. It’s pretty hit and miss for me. But kudos to you. I’m just humbly agreeing.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Whoever we draft will be able to play in a 3-4 & 4-3..
January 4th, 2013 at 8:40 am
I pumped up Dion Jordan for weeks..
Want him more after last night.
He might climb up to us too..
January 4th, 2013 at 8:42 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Down to Joeckel/Loutelelei or Werner at 3rd overall
wait for Brandon Jenkins, Corey Lemonier or Michael Buchanan at 66
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I like them all. My favorite is Werner the German dude. He’s a beast.
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You’re in Florida aren’t you Guest? So you probably saw more of Werner play? I don’t know jack except what other people say but, the fact he’s drawing Allen comparisons got my ears perked up. Jared’s a pretty scary boy.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Werner reminds me of Jared Allen much more than JJ Watt.
Watt is just a physical specimen. Werner is more of a non-stop, high motor, high IQ player, like Allen.
Wonder if he can longsnap like Allen can?
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Someone was on here saying the guy has bust written all over him…..not many QB pressures. Anyone have more info on this guy?
I am part German, so i like that!
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http://draftbreakdown.com/players/dion-jordan
Werner;
“Florida State junior defensive end Bjoern Werner will forgo his senior season and enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to a report by ESPN’s Joe Schad. Werner joins cornerback Xavier Rhodes as Seminoles who have decided to leave Tallahassee early for the NFL.
Werner is NFLDraftScout’s No. 1-ranked defensive end for April’s draft and is currently the No. 2 overall prospect on the draft board, behind Texas A&M OT Luke Joeckel.
A native of Berlin, Germany, Werner played two seasons of high school football as an exchange student before arriving at Florida State. He played in every game for the Seminoles for the last three years, including the past two as a starter. Werner finished the 2012 season with an ACC-best 13.0 sacks and team-high 18.0 tackles for loss, adding 40 tackles and seven pass break-ups.
With his combination of quickness and strength, Werner’s play is reminiscent of St. Louis Rams defensive end Chris Long, who was drafted second overall in the 2008 NFL Draft. Listed at 6-foot-4 and 255 pounds, Werner has good get-off quickness and bend to beat blockers off the snap. He has room to improve his motor and chase skills against the run, but his natural instincts and upside makes him an attractive pass-rushing prospect for teams selecting in the top-five.” – Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
My original Mock had us trade down and take:
1-Dion Jordan
2-Corey Lemonier
3-Kyle Long
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
As far as those College concepts go, the one that is more interesting to me is the fast-paced tempo Chip Kelly runs and NE has also implemented, no-huddle has been around for years but Oregon took it to another level and you can see NE doing it more and more, I recall our no-huddle last season, probably the slowest one I have ever seen.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Crawford – England
Bilukidi – Angola by way of France and Brazil
Werner – Germany
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:40 am
I pumped up Dion Jordan for weeks..
Want him more after last night.
He might climb up to us too..
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He sure could, especially since he sits at ESPN’s top 32 @ #12….I know that doesn’t mean much but, he’s sitting behind Juniors who haven’t declared yet. So…Who knows. But hell yeah man, I live in Eugene and would love to have Jordan for obvious reasons.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:45 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
My original Mock had us trade down and take:
1-Dion Jordan
2-Corey Lemonier
3-Kyle Long
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good – beasts coming from either side with Howard and Bilukidi in the middle (unless Kelly comes back and restructures to help the rotation
January 4th, 2013 at 8:45 am
You’re in Florida aren’t you Guest? So you probably saw more of Werner play? I don’t know jack except what other people say but, the fact he’s drawing Allen comparisons got my ears perked up. Jared’s a pretty scary boy.
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Yep,
I get to see a lot of the Gators, Seminoles and Canes. Also a lot of USF, UCF, FIA, etc. So Werner’s in the spotlight a lot here. He’s damn good. Jared Allen reincaration good.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
As far as those College concepts go, the one that is more interesting to me is the fast-paced tempo Chip Kelly runs and NE has also implemented, no-huddle has been around for years but Oregon took it to another level and you can see NE doing it more and more, I recall our no-huddle last season, probably the slowest one I have ever seen.
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worked pretty well against the Steelers…why the hell did we stop using it?!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:48 am
I believe Mornhinweg is the favorite for OC.
If we could get:
OC: Mornhinweg
OL: Castillo
Id be thrilled.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:49 am
New England had more offensive snaps per second than any team in the NFL this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:49 am
I don’t think it was necessarily the no huddle that betrayed us, it was the playcalling. Teams attacked our weaknesses at the line and Palmer didn’t have the answer for it. Blame Knapp.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:50 am
With Reid being in KC, it also would help having someone who knows him well on staff too.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Guest123.
Yes, I’m just saying our no-huddle was really slow.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:35 am
The other day during Cork’s chat he was asked if he had any New Year resolutions.His answer was S.O.S.-stamp out stupidity.By reading this blog it is obvious he has his work cut out for him.
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I just figured he was talkin about his own stupidity..well and maybe posters that think this team played harder this year down the stretch..seriously 1-9 the last 10 games is not playin hard whatsoever
January 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Draft Damonte Moore ….stop game playing….in free agency go after terrance knighton, sammie lee hill or ron brace to be your NT….then resign shaugnessy and sign daryl tapp…..that way your dline is 8 deep and fierce plus versatile
RDE: Moore, Tapp
NT: Knighton, Bidiluki
UT: Houston, Bryant
LDE: Shaughnessy, Crawford
Think pass rush would be relentless especially on 3rd down when Bryant and Houston have Moore and Tapp beside them
January 4th, 2013 at 8:56 am
OC – Marty Mornhinweg
OL – Juan Castillo/Howard Mudd
LB – Billy Davis/Adam Zimmer
ST – Tom McMahon/Bobby April
January 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Draft Damonte Moore ….stop game playing….in free agency go after terrance knighton, sammie lee hill or ron brace to be your NT….then resign shaugnessy and sign daryl tapp…..that way your dline is 8 deep and fierce plus versatile
RDE: Moore, Tapp
NT: Knighton, Bidiluki
UT: Houston, Bryant
LDE: Shaughnessy, Crawford
Think pass rush would be relentless especially on 3rd down when Bryant and Houston have Moore and Tapp beside them
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Can those players play 3-4 also in your opinion?..
January 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:44 am
As far as those College concepts go, the one that is more interesting to me is the fast-paced tempo Chip Kelly runs and NE has also implemented, no-huddle has been around for years but Oregon took it to another level and you can see NE doing it more and more, I recall our no-huddle last season, probably the slowest one I have ever seen.
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worked pretty well against the Steelers…why the hell did we stop using it?!
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Knapp didn’t get to call the plays.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:57 am
Tommy Kelly shouldn’t be allowed back…how can you people act like you want whats best for team by even suggesting this bum be allowed in our rotation. He sux!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:58 am
I totally beleieve any defensive players brought in will have to have the ability to play in any defensive formation..
January 4th, 2013 at 8:59 am
DAV….3-4 not my thing ……..4-3 lineup….and thays what we should do
January 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am
New England had more offensive snaps per second than any team in the NFL this year.
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I like how New England gets to the line at a deliberate pace and then just decided to quick snap them. Like their messing with the defense. Stutter and stop and stutter again. That’s how I’d run a no huddle offense.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Still need a base defense …..4-3 is our base…sure we may give different looks at times but 4-3 is our base
January 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am
We’re goin 3-4 base friend..
with 4-3 and other looks..
If you need anymore evidence, look at all the defenders brought in by Reggie..
All of them can play either..
Wheeler was the only question, and he showed he can do it
January 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am
DAV….you gimme that dline im proposing then im not worried abour my cbs as much
January 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Ron Brace and Sammie Lee Hill!!!!!
I heard those names on here 10,000 more times than I ever heard them on Sundays, lol.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Andy Reid signed with KC.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am
We not going 3-4…..4-3 were more suited for…..haha tollefson sure was 3-4 like wheeler? Bidiluki is a 4-3 guy as is Houston and Bryant
January 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am
DAV….you gimme that dline im proposing then im not worried abour my cbs as much
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W/ The players you wanted..
DE- Desmond Bryant
NT- Terrence Knighton
DE- Matt Shaughnessy/Lamar Houston
OLB- Damontre Moore
ILB- Rolando McClain
ILB- Miles Burris
OLB- Phillip Wheeler/Daryl Tapp
January 4th, 2013 at 9:06 am
I liked what I saw from Bilukidi.
He might emerge as our best drafted player from this draft in 2-3 years.
Still not sure about Burris. Great energy and effort, but not sure I ever seen someone miss so many tackles, and what should have been a lot of easy tackles.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Ron Brace and Sammie Lee Hill!!!!!
I heard those names on here 10,000 more times than I ever heard them on Sundays, lol.
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lol
at least 10K times. prob more
January 4th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am
We not going 3-4…..4-3 were more suited for…..haha tollefson sure was 3-4 like wheeler? Bidiluki is a 4-3 guy as is Houston and Bryant
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The last 3 games we played A TON of 3-4..
And all of those guys did it well..
Except Tollefson, he hasnt played D since like week 5..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Vegas……sammie lee hill and ron brace are run stuffers and didnt play alot this year but they better run stuffers than what we have…those are plan b and c if knighton cant be got
January 4th, 2013 at 9:08 am
TO me, if Joeckel or Lotulelei are available, we should grab one of them.
Joeckel, you just don’t pass on premier OT prospects when you have a gaping hole at one spot, it will be up to the staff to decide wether Veldheer or Joeckel moves to RT.
Lotulelei, scheme-friendly inside player who can anchor the DL for the next decade.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Did what well? Teams we played sucked. And we played it some not a ton…you overexaggerating
January 4th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DAV…shaugnessy not a 5 texh guy….he doesnt work in a 3-4
January 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Trade down: (maybe a team wants to move up to top 3 to draft Dion Jordan lol)
1- DT/ NT J Hankins
2- CB Xavier Rhodes or Amerson
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins (1st round prospect before his season ending injury in week 1)
4- LB Andrew Jackson
Sign RT and WR in FA.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Props to this morning’s bloggers… Lots of good conversation without the usual: ‘My football knowledge is greater than yours’ or ‘My schlong’s bigger than yours’ type BS….
That shiz gets old…
January 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Matt Shaugnessy might be a better 3-4 DE than 4-3..
Strong, stout, hard to move..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Bob…we need dline help especially at rde…..no to jokel and star will not be on field all game….no thank you….you need to rush qb with a special player
January 4th, 2013 at 9:12 am
DAV…..shaugnessy too small for 3-4 DE
January 4th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Without trade:
1- DT/ NT Star Lotulelie
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins
4- LB Andrew Jackson or CB Leon McFadden
January 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Lol raider in pa…..you mean dr roberta…the same guy who said mean Joe greene wasnt biggest guy on his dline? Lol
January 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am
you need to rush qb with a special player
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Werner the Germinator!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Shaughnessy is a 4-3 LDE.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
I worry that we draft Joeckel, move him to LT, he isn’t much or any better than Veldheer, and we move Veldheer to RT, and he isn’t that great of a RT, or takes a year or two to get a hang of it.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
I’m not sold on the German kid, and Brandon Jenkins is a better pass rusher, but not as good against the run.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:12 am
DAV…..shaugnessy too small for 3-4 DE
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Justin Smith – 6′4″ 285
Matt Shaughnessy – 6′5″ 285
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
wonder if the Raiders are waiting on a college coach to interview for OC job?
why no leak on candidates or interviews????
where is some news or updates????
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
O….i dunno bruh…cant pass up on a 3 down pass rusher like moore just to wait two rounds to get a de who may be mediocre ….raiders need top tier talent at DE
January 4th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:08 am
TO me, if Joeckel or Lotulelei are available, we should grab one of them.
Joeckel, you just don’t pass on premier OT prospects when you have a gaping hole at one spot, it will be up to the staff to decide wether Veldheer or Joeckel moves to RT.
Lotulelei, scheme-friendly inside player who can anchor the DL for the next decade.
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agree 100%
January 4th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Justin Smith was a 4-3 LDE in Cincy..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:16 am
De is the biggest need. Werner or Damantre fill the need nicely. but although Star doesn’t fill our biggest concern the guy is a BJ Raji/Vince Wilfork type stud, those guys don’t come around often
January 4th, 2013 at 9:17 am
LT?!
Over DT, DE, and CB?!?!
We need talent to fix our defense, and you want to UPGRADE the LT position?
You People….
January 4th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Well he gained alot of weight then because i remember him as 270…….dont like 3-4 defense still….no wonder he was a slow DE…jow sad for raiders to have houston and shaugjnessy as their DEs
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am
LT?!
Over DT, DE, and CB?!?!
We need talent to fix our defense, and you want to UPGRADE the LT position?
You People….
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LMAO
I agree with your incredulity. Top of the draft board should be franchise QB’s and guys who can wreck franchise QB’s in that order exclusively. LT’s at the top of the board is sooooo 5 or 6 years ago. This is a new era.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Hey guys! I see that Andy Reid’s joined the Lady Chiefs. I’ve watched way too many Eagles games with my old college roommate from Philly. Prepare yourselves for baffling challenges and inept goal-line play calling!
Also, given his penchant for unhealthy food, I wouldn’t be surprised if that old rascal keeled over from some KC barbecue by Week 5. 2nd most walrus-like HC of all time (Holmgren, of course, is No. #1).
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am
And for my taste ……i like my 3-4 DEs to be in 300 lb range if thats where we go ….justin smith cheats alot and grabs people
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:15 am
O….i dunno bruh…cant pass up on a 3 down pass rusher like moore just to wait two rounds to get a de who may be mediocre ….raiders need top tier talent at DE
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Brandon Jenkins was a 1st round prospect before his season ending injury in week 1, and he is a better pass rusher than the German kid, and was considered a better than Moore before his injury.
Remember M Bush?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am
LDE? ….exactly dav…..shaugnessy is a lde…..lets put him there
January 4th, 2013 at 9:20 am
shaughnessey may have a comeback year, showed to much promise 2 years ago and it takes some a full year to really come back from a major injury. I think Houston should put some weight back on and move inside, the guy is decent at getting to the qb from the inside and pretty good against the run
January 4th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Papertiger lolololol…awesome
January 4th, 2013 at 9:21 am
[BREAKING NEWS]
Inside sources from the Oakland Raiders say Greg Knapp and the rest of the dismissed coaches will be back for the 2013 season. Knapps firing was just a formality so GM Reggie McKenzie could restructure some of the accounting deficiencies that have festered with in the organizations budget. HC Dennis Allen and McKenzie refuse to admit there is no OC willing to come to Oakland, while the rest of the AFC West is firming up their coaching staff. In an attempt for the West to out coach the Raiders, KC is hiring Andy Reid and look for the Chargers to announce the hiring of Jon Gruden. Allen had to appear as if he was making a move to better his staff, but the Raiders will re sign Knapp and call it a clerical error regarding his dismissal. Raider opponents in the AFC West, or any other opponents, should have no problems out coaching them. That seems to be the trend. So that, combined with the leagues mandate to stifle the Raiders from any success , should ensure a 1st pick in the 2014 draft.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:22 am
As long as we steer clear of ant Ohio State players we should be fine.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:23 am
any* lol
January 4th, 2013 at 9:23 am
569.RaiderSam Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
I wonder be more interested in a trade down if we were picking around 10 or so, when the talent level drops a bit.
But we are talking the #3 pick in the draft, why would I want to trade down and get a Pat Lee (2nd round Packers pick) or Tony Bergstrom and get a lesser talented player?
We already have plenty of middle-level talent, we need some top-shelf palyers.
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What worries me is 8 of the top 10 are underclassmen from talent stocked teams. Is there a difference maker that changes the whole defense, did they come off career years? How soon would they hit the rookie wall? a lack of a franchise signal caller means Geno Smith could drop to 3 and we could get no decent trade offers.
Joeckel is projeced first, then Werner, then Jarvis Jones and not Manti Teo is fourth?! Is there a safe pick? are the real gems later in the draft like 2009 when Clay Matthews was at 26th, Cushing was at 15th and Percy Harvin at 22nd?
Jason Smith was a gigantic BUST at 2, Curry at 4, Tyson Jackson overdrafted at 3 Sanchez at 5, overweight Andre Smith at 6 and Good ol Darrius Heyward Bey at 7
is this 2009 all over again?!
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Te’o is as safe as you can get in this draft within the top 7 and so is D Moore I believe.
I like Werner as well, but he played as a LDE in 4-3 alignments at Flor St and stood up sometimes. Can he be a stand up OLB in 3-4 alignments.
My concern with D Jordan is that he plays too high sometimes and needs to play lower. Then again he is 6′6 and that makes it tough to play low consistently.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Jenkins is a fsu dummy….no thanks…fsu players suck….moore is way better for the nfl
January 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Guys.
I know a pass-rushing RDE is our biggest need, but I’m not sold on those available at # 3, maybe Werner or Moore change my mind later.
The thing is, you don’t draft for need, you draft the best player available and those seem to be Joeckel and Star, so far.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Dakota id take hankins if he fell to third round though….fat boy from osu can play the run well
January 4th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Considered a better prospect than….
January 4th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Mistic will flip his sh!t if we take a German player with our top pick.
Let’s do it! Heil Werner!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Again…
Is Werner capable of playing RDE in the NFL and suceed vs Pro Left Tackles?.
From what I can gather he’s a Left End at FSU, meaning he faced College Right Tackles that do not come close to matching NFL LT talent, that’s one thing that bothers me.
If we are drafting a DE or edge-rusher at # 3, I expect a dominant player who can give us 12 sacks a year.
I’ve heard Werner compared to Chris Long, the rare LDE who can absolutely rush the passer, if he’s that good I’m on board.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Werner will suck as well…..fsu loser
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
Pass on mediocre talent from the overrated ND program.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
If the Bolts hire Gruden or Lovie, then Davis, McK and Tits DA are in big trouble.
They will ALL look like buffoons.
Reid, Gruden, Fox and Lovie are ALL better coaches than DA.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:27 am
T thing about all you guys who are aparently too young to understand. The same disbelief in Pryor is why Plunkett is not in the hall of fame. You want a parade pony instead of a feirce competitor on the field! This is not Barbies! Players don’t have to look like you think they do! If that is what floats your boat! Plunkett was let go by the Pats and signed by the Niners who then let him go! Al picked plunkett of the couch as Jackson tried with Palmer the difference is Plunkett won Two Super Bowls! Palmer has only posted an inflated 2n place record for yards in a season! We all know why! You guys have the same Snot Nose attitude that keeps our Raiders out of the Hall of Fame! Let the Players play before you Judge Them! We would love to see how you are really living yes You!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:27 am
wonder if the Raiders are waiting on a college coach to interview for OC job?
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More likely from the pro staffs in the playoffs.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Bob…why in god’s name would you draft a lde that high? We play in the afc aka man’s conference
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
679.Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
Pass on mediocre talent from the overrated ND program.
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Nah. Your problem is just with ND and that is clouding your judgement on Te’o.
Te’o isn’t even close to the same player McClain is.
Te’o will be a starter for someone for 12-15 years. While McClain will be a journeymen.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Didn’t Andy Reid once go like 2-3 years without getting a challenge right?
It was something absurd like that.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Dknight….why are yall still talking about gruden?….he will never coach again
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:33 pm
91.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:28 pm
If you were here for the Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Daunte Culpepper, McClown, Andrew Walter, (He who shall not be named, etc… Then you know things can definetly be worse than our current QB situation. So give Palmer a break
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One of the best freekin posts I have seen in a while IMHO!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:17 am
LT?!
Over DT, DE, and CB?!?!
We need talent to fix our defense, and you want to UPGRADE the LT position?
You People….
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I dunno…. Indy almost COMPLETELY ignored their 25th ranked defense last year in the draft and rebuilt quickly.
There’s a lot of teams that get by with a poor defense and win (NE and GB have for years) hardly anybody wins with a crappy offense. We need more points!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 am
LT?!
Over DT, DE, and CB?!?!
We need talent to fix our defense, and you want to UPGRADE the LT position?
You People….
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LMAO
I agree with your incredulity. Top of the draft board should be franchise QB’s and guys who can wreck franchise QB’s in that order exclusively. LT’s at the top of the board is sooooo 5 or 6 years ago. This is a new era.
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I don’t mind drafting a LT that high if we needed one, but to pass on good talent that can fix some our our problems to upgrade another position makes no sense to me.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Teo seems decent but we need a pass rushing DE from right side
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Well, the thinking is drafting the best LT, adresses 2 positions. LT & RT..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Teo seems decent but we need a pass rushing DE from right side
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We need pass rush from every side brother.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:33 am
#681: Plunkett had a serious shoulder injury and SF thought he was done…AD took a flier on him and boy did it pay off, but remember that he only got his shot with us when Pastorini broke his leg.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
There’s a lot of teams that get by with a poor defense and win (NE and GB have for years) hardly anybody wins with a crappy offense. We need more points
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carson palmer or terrel pryor aren’t tom brady, aaron rodgers, drew brees, or peyton manning. we need a good defense
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
679.Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
Pass on mediocre talent from the overrated ND program.
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Nah. Your problem is just with ND and that is clouding your judgement on Te’o.
Te’o isn’t even close to the same player McClain is.
Te’o will be a starter for someone for 12-15 years. While McClain will be a journeymen.
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I don’t have a problem with ND. I was joking with Dakota. Mich is a different story. Damn you Mich!!!
I’m not sold on this big/ slow MLB in the top 10. If you can’t understand that especially after drafting McClain then I can’t help you understand. Maybe your judgement is clouded.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
I think we have our LDE in Matt Shaugnessy, provided we resign him, so unless Werner can play RDE and give us those 12 plus sacks and constant pressure needed from the position, I would pass.
But if comparisons to Chris Long who plays LDE for the Rams and is a constant headache for QB’s, then bring him in and let Shaugnessy walk.
But those calls are what Mark pays Reggie for.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Cwolfman…funny becuz my reply to that post absolutely schitted on judge’s …..m3 of those qbs won playoff games while palmer hasnt…..thanks for playing
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Werner playing mostly LDE in 4-3 alignments as FSU is a concern. Especially if he is being considered a top 3 pick for a LDE?? That’s as concern.
I rate D Moore ahead of Werner because Moore can be the full time RDE in 4-3 looks and he can also from what I have seen stand up in 3-4 looks and rush the passer and cover a bit.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Wow: Rex Ryan has a tattoo on his right arm of his wife wearing nothing but a Sanchez jersey!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/brace-your-breakfast-rex-has-a-sanchez-tattoo-sort-of/
It really pushes the bounds of absurdity.
Think DA has a CP3 tramp stamp?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Coaching Targets:
OC- Marty Mornhinweg/Norv Turner/Aaron Kromer
OL- Juan Castillo/Howard Mudd/Bob Wylie
ST- Bobby April/Tom McMahon
LB- Billy Davis/Adam Zimmer
Free Agent Targets:
WR- Jordan Shipley
RT- Chad Clifton
DE/OLB- Trevor Scott
NT- Ricky Jean-Francois
DT- Justin Bannan
OLB- Manny Lawson
ILB- Larry Grant
Draft Option 1:
1- Damontre Moore [DE/OLB, Texas A&M]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Tanner Hawkinson [RT, Kansas]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Draft Option 2:
1- Star Lotuleilei [NT, Utah]
3- Quanterus Smith [OLB/DE, W.Kentucky]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Tanner Hawkinson [RT,Kansas]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Draft Option 3:
1- Luke Joeckel [LT, Texas A&M]
3- Quanterus Smith [OLB/DE, W.Kentucky]
4- Dave Kruger [NT, Utah]
6- Kevin Reddick [ILB, N.Carolina]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Jesse Williams [NT, Alabama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kyle Long [RT, Oregon]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Brandon McGee [CB, Miami]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
January 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Does anybody remember seeing the footage of Andy Reid in 1971 at the pass, punt and kick competition?
He is enoroumous compared to the other kids…
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/andy-reid-punt-pass-kick-video/
January 4th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Matt S took a massive step backwards last year, IMO.
Old Baghdad Bob’s (Seymour) call of him being the best whatever he said was a line of complete bull.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am
DAV …..while do need pass rushing ….the blindside pressure is more vital…why you think LTs are so highly coveted?
Damonte Moore
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am
Here’s how Indy “fixed” their 25th ranked defense through the draft:
In order: QB,TE,TE,WR,DT,RB,WR,T,DE,QB Two defensive players.
Their first two picks the year before were both tackles.
Pretty sure they are still playing this year last I looked…
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am
What is the ultimate Goal of the NFL? To Win Super Bowls! Plunkett won Two! So what he didn’t have a bunch of yards and wins through out his career! He won Super Bowls this is a success story for any Football Player and more for a QB! The idea that everyone gave up on him and he was able to Overcome is uncomparable to Brady and Payton and Eli. That’s the same as a Heavy weight Champ or any other weight that wins the title! Giants didn’t have the best record they took of after being .500 for thier 1st title in S.F. History! We don’t know what the future is, we do know it’s not with Palmer and absolutly not at the 13 to 17 Mil price tag! We need more than a QB to win and that’s just not woth it! Eli money? LMAO!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 am
DAV …..while do need pass rushing ….the blindside pressure is more vital…why you think LTs are so highly coveted?
Damonte Moore
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Because there are more right handed QBs..
Pressure from anywhere is needed on this team, we have no room to be picky of where its coming from lol..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:38 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Werner playing mostly LDE in 4-3 alignments as FSU is a concern. Especially if he is being considered a top 3 pick for a LDE?? That’s as concern.
I rate D Moore ahead of Werner because Moore can be the full time RDE in 4-3 looks and he can also from what I have seen stand up in 3-4 looks and rush the passer and cover a bit.
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Go watch more tape of Werner. I think you will be convinced.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Morningwheig? ……dav stop it now….marty morning niner pig is trash….you might as well kept knapp then…stop with the 49er offense…its boring
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Film should tell the story on Te’o…Don’t forget Marcus Allen fell to us because he was considered “slow”…If the guy’s always around the ball and makes big plays I’ll take him…Seen more than enough “athletic specimens” around here who couldn’t make a play.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am
695.Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 am
679.Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
Pass on mediocre talent from the overrated ND program.
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Nah. Your problem is just with ND and that is clouding your judgement on Te’o.
Te’o isn’t even close to the same player McClain is.
Te’o will be a starter for someone for 12-15 years. While McClain will be a journeymen.
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I don’t have a problem with ND. I was joking with Dakota. Mich is a different story. Damn you Mich!!!
I’m not sold on this big/ slow MLB in the top 10. If you can’t understand that especially after drafting McClain then I can’t help you understand. Maybe your judgement is clouded.
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We’ll find out how “slow” Te’o is when the combine and pro days roll around.
It’s not about straight line long speed 40 times buddy, especially when it comes to LB and DLinemen.
It’s more about the shuttle and 10 and 20 yard times, that will show lateral movement and off the line explosion.
It’s all about the low man winning and technique as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Dav…yeah so be like derrick burgess years where it comes from left side and we still get no blindside pressure…yeah that worked well for our team lol
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Mornhinweg got his start with the Packers.
The whole “I dont like this coach cuz he coached a team I dont like” thing is pretty dumb man.
Jim Harbaugh coached with the Raiders, you think any Niner fans are whining about it right now?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am
FSU players stink….werner is trash
January 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Dav…yeah so be like derrick burgess years where it comes from left side and we still get no blindside pressure…yeah that worked well for our team lol
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Your totally whiffing on my point bro.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
There’s a lot of teams that get by with a poor defense and win (NE and GB have for years) hardly anybody wins with a crappy offense. We need more points
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carson palmer or terrel pryor aren’t tom brady, aaron rodgers, drew brees, or peyton manning. we need a good defense
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Check out how Indy fixed things QUICKLY.
Psstttt… they almost ignored the defense entirely in the draft.
WE NEED MORE POINTS! 26th in the NFL is not cutting it.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Oh brother
January 4th, 2013 at 9:43 am
#705: I loved Plunkett…The man just won and could drop deep passes in a bucket…Remember Gannon was just considered a so-so journeyman until he came to us too…O-line and defense are our big concerns these days.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:43 am
FSU players stink….werner is trash
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Didn’t Andre Wadsworth go #3 overall?
Yikes
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
The Colts had/have 2 premier pass rushers on their team.
Please dont compare us to them.
We need defense.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
DAV….morningpig’s offensive philosophy is niner based wco…thanks but no thanks
No the whole i dont like sf thing isnt dumb…it only hurts our team
Niner fans worship the raiders and if not for Al they have nada so of course theyll love jim……..thanks for playing
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Te’o 6′2 255-260, 4.6+ 40
McClain 6′3 255-260, 4.6+ 40
I heard the same crap about both players:
Smart, Leaders, and hard workers. Remember McClain askeding for the PB?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
WE NEED MORE POINTS! 26th in the NFL is not cutting it.
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Yeah, thats what the Bucs thought too. More offense to put butts in the seats. But the defense was a seive. End result is the same. I guess it’s a little more entertaining brand of losing. If that’s any consolation.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Mistic will flip his sh!t if we take a German player with our top pick.
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why would i care about if a guy is german?
besides if you dont have a qb you dont have a shot
good thing we have pryor and we can build around him
Trade palmer for mid rounders
trade our 3 pick and stock pile o line dline and lb
January 4th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Vegas….i actually wanted wadsworth back then…thats last time i wanted fsu players….never again …..name one in recent times thats worth a schit ….ill wait
January 4th, 2013 at 9:45 am
You can go back and find a NFL bust from every college in the nation. So that’s the argument against any player is the college they came from? Well why not eliminate every college and say they all suck?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
DAV….morningpig’s offensive philosophy is niner based wco…thanks but no thanks
No the whole i dont like sf thing isnt dumb…it only hurts our team
Niner fans worship the raiders and if not for Al they have nada so of course theyll love jim……..thanks for playing
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LOL.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Christian Ponder!!!!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Asking*
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Prime Time was from FSU
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
#721: Slo-Mo and Te’o can’t be compared attitude wise…Likely intellectually as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
712.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Mornhinweg got his start with the Packers.
The whole “I dont like this coach cuz he coached a team I dont like” thing is pretty dumb man.
Jim Harbaugh coached with the Raiders, you think any Niner fans are whining about it right now?
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I don’t mind Morningwheg, but he would need to get that running game going and along with the screen game. He will probably wind up with Reid in KC anyways.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Ponder is a playoff QB, more than we can say about Carson Palmer these days.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
712.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Mornhinweg got his start with the Packers.
The whole “I dont like this coach cuz he coached a team I dont like” thing is pretty dumb man.
Jim Harbaugh coached with the Raiders, you think any Niner fans are whining about it right now?
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I don’t mind Morningwheg, but he would need to get that running game going and along with the screen game. He will probably wind up with Reid in KC anyways.
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News came out last night Mornhinweg doesnt want to follow Reid to KC, he wants a different OC job..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Not big on LSU DLinemen or LB’s either.
They don’t amount to much in the NFL.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am
CanuckRaider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
#721: Slo-Mo and Te’o can’t be compared attitude wise…Likely intellectually as well.
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Really?!
You know Te’o?
The same things being said about Te’o were said about McClain except faith.
The smartest player coached by Saban.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Dav…no youre whiffing on the big picture…..RDE pressure is king here…you saying we need it anywhere we can get it ….thats garbage….you wont see one SB winning team without pressure from blindside…..and i mean fierce
January 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Shurmur is going to be Reid’s OC apparently..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Ponder woll do like palmer and lose in first round lol
January 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am
The smartest player coached by Saban.
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word to the wise: Never trust anything Saban says. He’s a compulsive liar.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Dav…no youre whiffing on the big picture…..RDE pressure is king here…you saying we need it anywhere we can get it ….thats garbage….you wont see one SB winning team without pressure from blindside…..and i mean fierce
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And I never disagreed with that. You just started typing like I did lol..
I just made a joke saying on our defense, which is so void of any pressure, we cant be picky where it comes from.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Ponder woll do like palmer and lose in first round lol
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I’ll take that over an early January fishing trip.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:52 am
733.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
712.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Mornhinweg got his start with the Packers.
The whole “I dont like this coach cuz he coached a team I dont like” thing is pretty dumb man.
Jim Harbaugh coached with the Raiders, you think any Niner fans are whining about it right now?
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I don’t mind Morningwheg, but he would need to get that running game going and along with the screen game. He will probably wind up with Reid in KC anyways.
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News came out last night Mornhinweg doesnt want to follow Reid to KC, he wants a different OC job..
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Reid and Mornings run games were a mix of power gap and zone.
What McK and DA need to do when talking to OC candidates is show what Hue did with the offense the previous two years and tell the next OC/Playcaller that is what they want executed on offense and they want packages for TP to be involved and prepared to play.
It’s simple really.
Let’s hope McK and Tits DA don’t blow it this time around.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Deion was 25 years ago lol….of recent times the last decade….fsu can suck it
January 4th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Agree 100%. I think the best option will be to trade out of the #3 pick to a team that picks late in the first round. Get them to give up that late first rounder plus their second rounder.
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Schit if we trade all the way back to late 1st rd we will get alot more than just a 2nd, we would get a 1st for next year plus a 2nd 3rd 5th for this year and maybe even more
If we trade down to lets say #8 we should get a 2nd 4th and maybe a 5th if you guy by the value system
January 4th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Prime Time was from FSU
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So did Seabass.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Draft Star with the #3 pick, line him up next to Bryant, rotate Houston all throughout the line, quality depth.
Draft Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina in the 4th. That South Carolina D-Line was nasty all season. Taylor gets overlooked because of Clowney, but he can play. And at the next level, 6-7, 270 with 4.7 speed, I think he would be a steal, and I would love seeing him lineup with Star and Bryant. QBs beware.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
DAV……lol what defense?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:54 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
The Colts had/have 2 premier pass rushers on their team.
Please dont compare us to them.
We need defense.
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Their defense ranked nearly the same but they went up from 30th to 10th in offense.
Are they still playing, or watching like we are?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:54 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:50 am
The smartest player coached by Saban.
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word to the wise: Never trust anything Saban says. He’s a compulsive liar
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Agreed!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Seabass hahahahahahaha……he needs to go as well….name his big time kicks…..not all his fault but he has no playoff game winners…..him and lechler can bounce
January 4th, 2013 at 9:56 am
We still have to wonder what KC and Jax are going to do with their picks.
If somehow Joeckel remains available at # 3 we could entertain some offers for the pick, LT’s are always coveted and there some teams out there that could use the top-rated LT.
Arizona with the 7th pick, San Diego at 11th, Pittsburg at 17th and the Rams with 16th and 22nd picks come to mind, each of those teams need a LT badly.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Yeah lets give a guy who has had weight issues alot of money as a 2 down player lol….go Star
January 4th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Need to be re-signed:
Desmond Bryant
Andre Carter
Joselio Hanson
Shane Lechler
Brandon Myers
Phillip Wheeler
Shawntae Spencer
Phillip Adams
Brandian Ross
Jeremy Stewart
Not sure how I feel about Mike Mitchell..
January 4th, 2013 at 9:57 am
CanuckRaider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Film should tell the story on Te’o…Don’t forget Marcus Allen fell to us because he was considered “slow”…If the guy’s always around the ball and makes big plays I’ll take him…Seen more than enough “athletic specimens” around here who couldn’t make a play.
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Amen brother. Good post. Later.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Bob only stl has ammo to attract a trade down from us……unless az wanna give us Fitzgerald
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Yeah lets give a guy who has had weight issues alot of money as a 2 down player lol….go Star
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the guys a surefire impact player. they said raji had a weight issue. surprised you don’t like this guy, i know you like your islander players, has a meanstreak too
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Seabass hahahahahahaha……he needs to go as well….name his big time kicks…..not all his fault but he has no playoff game winners…..him and lechler can bounce
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Well if you have a better kicker in the waiting, OK. He has arguably the strongest leg in the league, but oddly has only a 50% touchback rate on kickoffs. He’s been pretty solid on FGs though.
Lechler can definitely go. Looks like King will be good enough.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Dav…shaughnessy bryant wheeler and myers…..rest i dont need or want
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Draft Star with the #3 pick, line him up next to Bryant, rotate Houston all throughout the line, quality depth.
Draft Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina in the 4th. That South Carolina D-Line was nasty all season. Taylor gets overlooked because of Clowney, but he can play. And at the next level, 6-7, 270 with 4.7 speed, I think he would be a steal, and I would love seeing him lineup with Star and Bryant. QBs beware.
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Wanted to add Jon Bostic from Florida as my 3rd round Linebacker.
Star in the 1st.
Bostic in the 3rd.
Taylor in the 4th.
Defensive upgrade in 2013.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Not sure how I feel about Mike Mitchell..
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Huge MM34 fan here but getting tired of his me me me celebrations after each tackle even when we’re getting toasted and then he gives up a td. We need football players here. He’s only here because of his physical stats.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Inoneword…….star not more impact than a tpp flight pass rusher…as for raji…he is in gb…star woild be in oakland with alot of money….think about it
January 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
758.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Dav…shaughnessy bryant wheeler and myers…..rest i dont need or want
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Any change of heart on Reece? If used properly….
January 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
WE NEED MORE POINTS! 26th in the NFL is not cutting it.
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Yeah, thats what the Bucs thought too. More offense to put butts in the seats. But the defense was a seive. End result is the same. I guess it’s a little more entertaining brand of losing. If that’s any consolation.
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Yea, why would any business want more butts in the seats?
Just draft linemen to protect CP first. Let the points RAIN!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Aig……i agree we need football players here in the worse way
I heard you got a Jason Campbell jersey for xmas
January 4th, 2013 at 10:04 am
What about a trade with Miami…
They have an extra 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th..
Our #3 pick for #12, Their extra 2nd [IND], Extra 6th [IND] & 2014 2nd..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
John David Booty:
Wanted to add Jon Bostic from Florida as my 3rd round Linebacker.
Star in the 1st.
Bostic in the 3rd.
Devin Taylor in the 4th.
Defensive upgrade in 2013.
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Like it, but speed-size specimens like Taylor fly up draft boards after the combine-workouts, might go earlier.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Reece can stay Dutch ……messed up year for him oll say….knapp has no imagination and with reece you need to be imaginative
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
746.John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Draft Star with the #3 pick, line him up next to Bryant, rotate Houston all throughout the line, quality depth.
Draft Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina in the 4th. That South Carolina D-Line was nasty all season. Taylor gets overlooked because of Clowney, but he can play. And at the next level, 6-7, 270 with 4.7 speed, I think he would be a steal, and I would love seeing him lineup with Star and Bryant. QBs beware.
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Would rather get Te’o 1st ahead of Star. Too high to take a two gap NT/DT within the top 3. Those guys are not involved in enough plays play in and play out. Star will probably not even be in the game on most 3rd downs either. Those fat guys get winded and tired.
1. LB- Te’o
3. DE/OLB- D Taylor
4. DT/NT- Anthony McCLoud or DT Kwann Short, or DT Chris Jones
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
A vacationing Rex Ryan was spotted and photographed Thursday sporting a tattoo of a woman who appears to be his wife, wearing only a green jersey with Mark Sanchez’s No. 6 on it and posing in a way many would say resembles a crouching Tim Tebow.
A shirtless Ryan, sunbathing poolside at the Cove Atlantis resort in the Bahamas, quickly left the scene with his wife after being approached by a reporter.
??????
Weird fat fk!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Drafting O doesn’t make the points rain. Tampa invest $130M in free agency last year primarily to Vincent Jackson and Carl Nicks. Then drafted a top 5 NFL RB. But the point is they spent the megabucks. Can’t get there on the cheap.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Dab…not bad…as long as they give us solali or whatever lol…at 12 i can get a good pass rusher and that 2nd can get me a quality player….good idea
January 4th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Im notba palmer fan but can we at least get an OC wjose scheme fit palmer skillset? Is that too much to ask for?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:08 am
The Rams have Saffold as LT but he’s nothing special, moving up for Joeckel and sliding Saffold to RT might work for them.
Our 3rd for their 16th, 22nd and a 3rd?.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Autospell will be the death of me……..arrrrggggghhh!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:04 am
What about a trade with Miami…
They have an extra 2nd, 3rd, 6th & 7th..
Our #3 pick for #12, Their extra 2nd [IND], Extra 6th [IND] & 2014 2nd..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I like it. Maybe they will trade up for a pass rusher or LT since Long is a FA.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Bob Marley……im with that for sure but doubt reggie does it
January 4th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Cwolfman…funny becuz my reply to that post absolutely schitted on judge’s …..m3 of those qbs won playoff games while palmer hasnt…..thanks for playing
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By that same logic Brad Johnson was a better QB then Dan Marino, because he won a Supperbowl when Dan didn’t. It’s a freekin team sport B@uceman, sorry if you didn’t know that. Sure a QB can make the difference in a lot of games, but in the end it’s still a team sport. Stats are great for people to pull up when it suits their purpose, but they almost never tells the whole story. QB’s get way too much credit for wins in the NFL and they get way to much credit for losses.
You think Brad John is a better QB then Jim Kelly was? Thanks for playing!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DAV
But who does Miami target?.
I guess they can let someone else give millions to Jake Long and get Joeckel.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Inoneword…….star not more impact than a tpp flight pass rusher…as for raji…he is in gb…star woild be in oakland with alot of money….think about it
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i wouldn’t be mad a moore, werner, star or te’o. DE is the biggest need but when i see star i see justin smith, raji, wilfork etc.
any chance we draft star and land johnson or avril?
any chance we resign carter and he get’s back to being a stud?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am
No way Reece should go anywhere.. He’s versatile and has ability as a playmaker.. something this team is short on…
January 4th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Rex ryan is fked up Dakota …..mental case for real
January 4th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Cwolfman…..brad johnson a winner…marino is a stat filling loser just like jim kelly….gimme brad over them….yes
January 4th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 am
A vacationing Rex Ryan was spotted and photographed Thursday sporting a tattoo of a woman who appears to be his wife, wearing only a green jersey with Mark Sanchez’s No. 6 on it and posing in a way many would say resembles a crouching Tim Tebow.
A shirtless Ryan, sunbathing poolside at the Cove Atlantis resort in the Bahamas, quickly left the scene with his wife after being approached by a reporter.
??????
Weird fat fk!
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LOL
January 4th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Jeez.
Just noticed that we faced the easiest schedule among the bottom 10 teams in the League this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Wonder if the Bears would be a good trading partner? They need some marque O-lineman in the worst way!
Also, I think TK to the Bears could be pretty amazing….dude is very good when he wants to play. Yeah-Yeah, contract…
January 4th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Time woll tell inoneword on carter…long in the tooth tho……if we take star and get a stud rde i wont be mad at all….our dline stinks
January 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am
715.Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:42 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 am
There’s a lot of teams that get by with a poor defense and win (NE and GB have for years) hardly anybody wins with a crappy offense. We need more points
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carson palmer or terrel pryor aren’t tom brady, aaron rodgers, drew brees, or peyton manning. we need a good defense
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Check out how Indy fixed things QUICKLY.
Psstttt… they almost ignored the defense entirely in the draft.
WE NEED MORE POINTS! 26th in the NFL is not cutting it.
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Agreed. That’s why the hiring of the new OC/Playcaller and OLine coach is CRITICAL!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Manning
Rivers
Andy Reid in KC
We need pass rushers… Period!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Dutch thats problem with kelly…when he wants to he is good …that pisses me off big time
January 4th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Dutch thats problem with kelly…when he wants to he is good …that pisses me off big time
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Maybe the trainers could take a page out of LTs book and slip TK some coke before the game to ‘up’ his motor…lol
January 4th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Check out how Indy fixed things QUICKLY.
Psstttt… they almost ignored the defense entirely in the draft.
WE NEED MORE POINTS! 26th in the NFL is not cutting it.
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Agreed. That’s why the hiring of the new OC/Playcaller and OLine coach is CRITICAL!
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critical but we still don’t have andrew luck
January 4th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Since burris is moving to mlb…would anyone take a chance on trading for lance briggs….bet u he wants out of chitown without lovie……
Wlb: briggs
mlb: burris
slb: wheeler
Not bad with that dline im proposing from earlier….front 7 like that changes things
January 4th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Mistic will flip his sh!t if we take a German player with our top pick.
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why would i care about if a guy is german?
besides if you dont have a qb you dont have a shot
good thing we have pryor and we can build around him
Trade palmer for mid rounders
trade our 3 pick and stock pile o line dline and lb
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Mistic, I hate to break it to you, but the Raiders couldnt trade Palmer if they wanted too. Anyone they trade him too will have to pick up with huge contract as well. You think a team is going to be as dumb as the Raiders were and pick up his incredibly large contract, and give us a mid round pic as well? It’s not going to happen my man. And we cant drop him because of the huge cap hit we will take. Plus, he is a “good” QB whether some here agree or not. He will be our starter next year, unless of course there really is a team as stupid as we were to give up so much.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Lol raider in pa on fiya
January 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Many of you are under the theory that the reason this team did so poorly this year is because of: Knapp, DA didn’t have any talent to work with, bad contracts etc.
You believe the theory that this team needed to regress before it got better,
that there was some inspired D being played for Allen the last 4 weeks,
this team just needs a few FA and a good draft to get better etc.
Well, the reality is this team will go nowhere as long as Allen is head coach.
The reality is DA is the one who didn’t utilize the players he had.
Reality is he was the one surprised that the QB he started in week 17 did well.
Reality is he was the one unprepared starting week 1.
Reality is he took the same team that the last 1st year head coach had from 8-8 to 4-12.
Reality is if we hadn’t played 2-14 teams 3x this year our record could be much worse.
In case any of you still don’t understand the difference between theory and reality still, here is a little story.
This kid goes to his dad and says, “Dad can you teach me the difference between theory and reality?’
Dad says, ” sure go ask your mom if she will sleep with the neighbor for a million dollars.
Kid goes and asks his mom, she says” well we could put you kids through college and your dad could quit working. Sure I’d do it.”
Kid goes to his dad and says, Mom says she’d do it.”
Dad says, now go ask your sister if she’d sleep with any random stranger for 2 mil”
Kid goes and ask his sister. She says, “hell yeah.”
Kid runs back and tells his dad.
Dad says, “now son you know the difference between theory and reality. In theory we are sitting on 3 million bucks. In reality we are living with a bunch of hoes.”
In reality this team will suck as long as DA is running the show.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Here it is:
Kansas City Chiefs 2-14, strength of schedule*(.516)
Jacksonville Jaguars 2-14———————(.539)
Oakland Raiders 4-12————————–(.469)
Philadelphia Eagles 4-12———————-(.508)
Detroit Lions 4-12—————————-(.566)
Cleveland Browns 5-11————————-(.508)
Arizona Cardinals 5-11————————(.559)
Buffalo Bills 6-10—————————-(.480)
New York Jets 6-10—————————-(.512)
Tennessee Titans 6-10————————-(.512)
* Based on 2012 opponents record.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am
With that trade:
1- Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2- Logan Ryan [CB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Dave Kruger [NT,DE]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Raider O…we play manning schaub rg3 another manning rivers romo and luck next year….damn right we need a pass rush
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
The suspense is killing me.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Seabass hahahahahahaha……he needs to go as well….name his big time kicks…..not all his fault but he has no playoff game winners…..him and lechler can bounce
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Really? Wow…
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Knapp is coming back as OC.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Since burris is moving to mlb…would anyone take a chance on trading for lance briggs….bet u he wants out of chitown without lovie……
Wlb: briggs
mlb: burris
slb: wheeler
Not bad with that dline im proposing from earlier….front 7 like that changes things
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Would love Briggs here. He’s the type of vet we need if we’re gonna revamp our D in the draft. I agree we need a pass rusher, and I wouldnt be mad at all with Moore. Just like the idea of Star playing next to Bryant, as well as picking up a pass rusher like Devin Taylor from South Carolina in the 3rd or 4th.
Either way, Briggs would be an upgrade for our D, and has expressed before that he would like to play in NorCal, where hes from. Be nice to make that happen.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DAV
But who does Miami target?.
I guess they can let someone else give millions to Jake Long and get Joeckel.
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Miami can target Joeckel, Jarvis Jones, Te’o..
Who knows…
I dont really peg played until after the combine..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Draft the best player available!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
regarding are oc, should he be catering toward cp or tp’s skillset? HUGE question Reggie must answer
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Here it is:
Kansas City Chiefs 2-14, strength of schedule*(.516)
Jacksonville Jaguars 2-14———————(.539)
Oakland Raiders 4-12————————–(.469)
Philadelphia Eagles 4-12———————-(.508)
Detroit Lions 4-12—————————-(.566)
Cleveland Browns 5-11————————-(.508)
Arizona Cardinals 5-11————————(.559)
Buffalo Bills 6-10—————————-(.480)
New York Jets 6-10—————————-(.512)
Tennessee Titans 6-10————————-(.512)
* Based on 2012 opponents record.
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Hey, at least we killed KC and JAX! Okay, so we barely beat Jax…..DA is the man!
SMH…..we have to get this right someday don’t we? (says the Cubs fan)
January 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 am
regarding are oc, should he be catering toward cp or tp’s skillset? HUGE question Reggie must answer
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Good point. But they want a scheme guy. That is why Knapp is returning.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:26 am
WhoKnows lmao…..oh man i dont think i can top that….i think im done for the day
January 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Really want Joseph Fauria.
Tight End out of UCLA.
6′8″ 250..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
The suspense is killing me.
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Difference between being competitive next year. Its actually very disappointing that we arent even hearing about possible candidates yet. We definitely need to have an OC and an O-Line coach in line before the Senior Bowl on 1/26.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Gumbotron lmao….funny
January 4th, 2013 at 10:28 am
792.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Since burris is moving to mlb…would anyone take a chance on trading for lance briggs….bet u he wants out of chitown without lovie……
Wlb: briggs
mlb: burris
slb: wheeler
Not bad with that dline im proposing from earlier….front 7 like that changes things
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Well if Burris is moving to the middle, then Te’o won’t be the pick.
D Moore or Werner will be the pick.
McK won’t take a NT/DT that high. Star is good, but you get a stud pass rusher ahead of a two gap NT/DT with a top 3 pick….easily.
Heck, if McK gets Moore or Werner, he can still get another pass rusher DE/OLB in Round 3 even if he chooses. This draft is deep at the DE/OLB spots.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Raider O…we play manning schaub rg3 another manning rivers romo and luck next year….damn right we need a pass rush
$$$$$$$$$$$
Too bad they don’t listen to us. We would have drafted a NT and a pass rusher long time ago.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Media guys keep commenting on how tight lipped the Raiders new front office is, no leaks.. no info.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:29 am
B,
What makes you think Burris is modding to MLB? Did you hear anything?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
The suspense is killing me.
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Tom Walsh……..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Anyhow…great football talk this mprning guys….i think everyome brought their A game and alot of great points have been made…..yall stay cool and maybe just maybe we can turn this nightmare into a heavenly sequence……outro
Go Warriors! Let’s go Oakland!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:30 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Media guys keep commenting on how tight lipped the Raiders new front office is, no leaks.. no info.
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Not true. They’ve already leaked Knapps re-hiring.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:31 am
I keep telling you guys the pick has to be Werner!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Still fall back to wanting Jordan/Lemonier with our first 2 picks…
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
We do need a TE. Myers is not that good. not a threat after the catch and not a big help in the red zone and not a great blocker……he doesn’t suck, but we could do better.
much more pressing needs though….might be a 2014 fix.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Raider O…seems like a nice rumor that has gained speed is all
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:31 am
I keep telling you guys the pick has to be Werner!
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No sure he can play in multiple schemes..
Like his motor though..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
We do need a TE. Myers is not that good. not a threat after the catch and not a big help in the red zone and not a great blocker……he doesn’t suck, but we could do better.
much more pressing needs though….might be a 2014 fix.
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Jermichael Finley is a FA..
January 4th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Gumbotron is hilarious…gotta go now
January 4th, 2013 at 10:34 am
http://www.raiders.com/media/article/news%%raiders_to_re-hire_knapp%%/2013.01.01??%
January 4th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Quarterback
Offensive Threats [WR/RB/TE]
Pass Rush
This is a common theme on winning teams.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:37 am
I’ve used raidernews.com for many years….anyone hear why they haven’t updated since Dec 5th?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:38 am
827.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Quarterback
Offensive Threats [WR/RB/TE]
Pass Rush
This is a common theme on winning teams.
^^^^^^^^
Having good coaches and schemes is a common theme as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:38 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:38 am
827.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Quarterback
Offensive Threats [WR/RB/TE]
Pass Rush
This is a common theme on winning teams.
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Having good coaches and schemes is a common theme as well.
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Agreed.
One doesnt work without the other.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Really want Joseph Fauria.
Tight End out of UCLA.
6′8″ 250..
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And a pair of hands to go with it.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Cwolfman…..brad johnson a winner…marino is a stat filling loser just like jim kelly….gimme brad over them….yes
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Wow! So, how do “you” judge when a QB is good or not? By his teams (I mean “his”) win loss record? How many playoff games they have won? You dont go by anything other then the stats? Well, I guess you dont really go completely by stats… Im just wondering how you distinguish between a good and bad QB.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am
I guarantee you the Raiders will Draft a front 7 guy on the Defense!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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sorry, i go by facts, not jackazz opinions.
go look at the nfl statistics. sorry of i u don’t like it.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I think it’s going to be Al Saunders.
DA put himself in a bind after the Knapp hiring and really shortened his leash, I think Mark and Reggie expect serious improvement in 2013 and hiring someone from the outside with no familiarity with the players and maybe intending to install another new system does not bode well for next season’s progress, Saunders knows the players and is probably DA’s best bet for short-term success (2013).
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am
I guarantee you the Raiders will Draft a front 7 guy on the Defense!
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Not exactly goin out on a limb there.. lol
January 4th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Having good coaches and schemes is a common theme as well.
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That’s how Reggie feels. That’s why he is re-hiring Knapp. DA did not consult with him on the firing and Reggie feels like he got one upped.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Pioli is set to interview with Mark Davis as President of Football Operations.
Would that mean he would be reggie’s boss?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Good one, Dakota (#530)
In response to QB height talks from earlier, does it REALLY matter if a guy is 6′-1″ and not 6′-2″?? C’mon..
All that matters is how well the guy plays, see Drew Brees…
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go tell the nfl gm’s. they like to make sure the probabilities are more in their favor.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:39 am
I guarantee you the Raiders will Draft a front 7 guy on the Defense!
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Not exactly goin out on a limb there.. lol
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Werner is the pick if hes available.
Take the German!!!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 am
We do need a TE. Myers is not that good. not a threat after the catch and not a big help in the red zone and not a great blocker……he doesn’t suck, but we could do better.
much more pressing needs though….might be a 2014 fix.
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The guy I like as an UFA is DC Jefferson from Rutgers. 6′5, 260, former QB, until he switched to TE as a sophmore. Wasnt used much in Rutgers offense because they dont really feature the TE. I think this guy can be a steal. A huge target, very athletic, and was good in the Rutgers run game with blocking. Keep an eye on him.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
I want a our Offensive Line to be GREAT. Add another tackle and the lesser of the two plays on the Right = stronger running game.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
835.Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I think it’s going to be Al Saunders.
DA put himself in a bind after the Knapp hiring and really shortened his leash, I think Mark and Reggie expect serious improvement in 2013 and hiring someone from the outside with no familiarity with the players and maybe intending to install another new system does not bode well for next season’s progress, Saunders knows the players and is probably DA’s best bet for short-term success (2013).
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That will probably make the most sense actually.
Saunders is familiar with the players on offense and called plays with Hue and coached the offense up when Hue was here.
Saunders being the OC would be good and there maybe a chance Wylie and Wiz come back as the OLine coaches as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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These guys think Chad Pennington is the 13th best QB of all time. It’s pure comedy in here.
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it’s the nfl’s list, stupid. not mine. argue with them.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:45 am
with the Third pick the Raiders Select
Bjoern Werner
January 4th, 2013 at 10:45 am
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
The suspense is killing me.
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Difference between being competitive next year. Its actually very disappointing that we arent even hearing about possible candidates yet. We definitely need to have an OC and an O-Line coach in line before the Senior Bowl on 1/26.
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Hey JDB… I’m not sure how this is gonna work, because I thought I heard the Raiders were waiting for some teams that were in the playoffs. My guess is there are some personnel on some of those teams that they are interested in. I’m not sure how you coach a Senior Bowl without an OC though.. lol… Oh.. I guess they could use Saunders.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:45 am
842.DA_NATN Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
I want a our Offensive Line to be GREAT. Add another tackle and the lesser of the two plays on the Right = stronger running game.
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We need a center and move Wiz back to LG. That will make OLine stronger as well.
Or maybe draft Kyle Long in Round 3 to be the RT.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:46 am
-Indy’s offense went from 28th to 18th in points PLAYOFFS
-Wash’s offense went from 26th to 4th in scoring (and the defense GOT WORSE) PLAYOFFS
-Seat offense went from 23rd to 9th in scoring PLAYOFFS
-Minn went from 18 to 14 in points PLAYOFFS
Anybody notice a pattern here?
WE NEED MORE POINTS!
McK needs to upgrade C (move Wiz back to LG) RG, RT, TE, WR.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
andy reid? Hmmm i wonder if he would be interested in upgrading the qb spot in kc. Could they be duped into taking carson? They have some good pieces on offense and have been said to be a qb short. I doubt reid will want cassel or quinn, im curious what qb he chooses.
what about chip kelly. Im dying to see what qb he chooses. Will he dust off dennis dixon, or a journeyman like vy. Does he go in a completely different direction and change his offense?
This is going to be a trip
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Draft A solid RT in the Third and Find A RG that can run block in FA.
Get Werner in the 1st round and now were cookin!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
What’s your guys take on NCST QB Mike Glennon?
I like him, has upside, reminds me a bit of Matt Ryan.
I don’t like that he throws off his back foot when pressured though and he needs to step up in the pocket more. A QB coach and OC will need to drill him hard on stepping up in the pocket when pressured.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
835.Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I think it’s going to be Al Saunders.
DA put himself in a bind after the Knapp hiring and really shortened his leash, I think Mark and Reggie expect serious improvement in 2013 and hiring someone from the outside with no familiarity with the players and maybe intending to install another new system does not bode well for next season’s progress, Saunders knows the players and is probably DA’s best bet for short-term success (2013).
^^^^^^^^
That will probably make the most sense actually.
Saunders is familiar with the players on offense and called plays with Hue and coached the offense up when Hue was here.
Saunders being the OC would be good and there maybe a chance Wylie and Wiz come back as the OLine coaches as well.
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Wylie and Wiz coming back would be huge. If Dennis was smart, Wylie would have never been let go. As of right now, there is not an O-line coach that they are going to find between now and the Senior Bowl that is better than Bob Wylie. Bob is one of the best in the business and needs to be brought back.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
Pass on mediocre talent from the overrated ND program.
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another notch on the “i have no clue” belt. well done.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:49 am
it’s the nfl’s list, stupid. not mine. argue with them.
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What list?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:49 am
I think I have cracked the Di Vinci Code to success with our draft this year:
Trade down with Miami, acquire thier 1st, Extra 2nd, Extra 6th & 2014 2nd.
Draft:
1- Dion Jordan [DE/OLB]
2- Alex Okafor [or] Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE]
6- Dave Kruger [DE,NT]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S]
January 4th, 2013 at 10:50 am
TP will fit better in Knapps scheme that Palmer.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
What’s your guys take on NCST QB Mike Glennon?
I like him, has upside, reminds me a bit of Matt Ryan.
I don’t like that he throws off his back foot when pressured though and he needs to step up in the pocket more. A QB coach and OC will need to drill him hard on stepping up in the pocket when pressured.
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Mike Glennon can play. I wouldnt be surprised if someone took him in the 1st late. He definitely wont make it past the 2nd. Had NC State played defense this year, we would all be hearing about Glennon going in the 1st.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Best player available!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
andy reid? Hmmm i wonder if he would be interested in upgrading the qb spot in kc. Could they be duped into taking carson? They have some good pieces on offense and have been said to be a qb short. I doubt reid will want cassel or quinn, im curious what qb he chooses.
what about chip kelly. Im dying to see what qb he chooses. Will he dust off dennis dixon, or a journeyman like vy. Does he go in a completely different direction and change his offense?
This is going to be a trip
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I suppose there could be a team out there that is a dumb as the Raiders were… Maybe AZ, KC… lol Jets?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:53 am
I’ll be back.
I have a meeting with Reggie McKenzie to go over this years Draft.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:55 am
LOL…. DAV.. You gonna school him on how a real draft board should look?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:55 am
The racist attention seeking whore monkey aka Dr. Nob is here seeking attention with his dumb list?!
It was funny the 1st few times, but not as funny now.
Ignore the racist attention seeking whore!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Get Werner! Hes married and looks like a high charachter guy! Raiders need this KID!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Tampa is in limbo with their “franchise” QB Freeman. Four years into his rookie contract and they still don’t know if he’s the guy. He’s so erratic and needs to be reigned in to not shoot himself in the foot. He’s going into a contract year and maybe the last year in Tampa, before they dump him or firesell him. Coach Schiano has no allegiance to him and didn’t draft him.
Here’s what I’m thinking. KC trades back to #13 for Freeman and gives Tampa Geno. I think Tampa knows what they have in Freeman and knows he’s worthless after next year if they are guessing wrong on him.
I could definitely see this happening.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 am
OK im back, had to re-schedule.
Reggie is booked for the day making plans for the Senior Bowl.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Get Werner! Hes married and looks like a high charachter guy! Raiders need this KID!
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co-sign!
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Rank Quarterback Rating
1 Aaron Rodgers 104.9
2 Steve Young 96.8
3 Tom Brady 96.6
4 Peyton Manning 95.7
5 Tony Romo 95.6
6 Philip Rivers 94.5
7 Drew Brees 94.3
8 Kurt Warner 93.7
9 Ben Roethlisberger 92.7
10 Joe Montana 92.3
11 Matt Schaub 91.9
12 Matt Ryan 90.9
13 Chad Pennington 90.1
14 Daunte Culpepper 87.8
15 Jeff Garcia 87.5
16 Otto Graham 86.6
17 Dan Marino 86.4
18 Joe Flacco 86.3
19 Carson Palmer 86.2
20 Brett Favre 86.0
Trent Green 86.0
22 David Garrard 85.8
23 Donovan McNabb 85.6
24 Rich Gannon 84.7
25 Marc Bulger 84.4
Jim Kelly 84.4
27 Mark Brunell 84.0
28 Jay Cutler 83.9
29 Roger Staubach 83.4
30 Steve McNair 82.8
31 Brian Griese 82.7
Neil Lomax 82.7
33 Len Dawson 82.6
Sonny Jurgensen 82.6
Matthew Stafford 82.6
36 Jason Campbell 82.5
Brad Johnson 82.5
38 Eli Manning 82.3
39 Matt Hasselbeck 82.2
40 Ken Anderson 81.9
Rank Quarterback Rating
41 Bernie Kosar 81.8
Neil O’Donnell 81.8
43 Danny White 81.7
44 Troy Aikman 81.6
45 Randall Cunningham 81.5
Dave Krieg 81.5
47 Jake Delhomme 81.3
48 Boomer Esiason 81.1
49 Warren Moon 80.9
50 Michael Vick 80.7
51 Jeff Hostetler 80.5
Bart Starr 80.5
53 Matt Cassel 80.4
Jeff George 80.4
Ken O’Brien 80.4
Fran Tarkenton 80.4
57 Steve Beuerlein 80.3
58 Dan Fouts 80.2
59 John Elway 79.9
Josh Freeman 79.9
61 Tony Eason 79.7
Kyle Orton 79.7
63 Elvis Grbac 79.6
64 Chris Chandler 79.1
Alex Smith 79.1
66 Byron Leftwich 78.9
Mark Rypien 78.9
68 Jim Everett 78.6
69 Aaron Brooks 78.5
Phil Simms 78.5
71 Bert Jones 78.2
Jim McMahon 78.2
Johnny Unitas 78.2
74 Jeff Blake 78.0
Bobby Hebert 78.0
76 Jim Harbaugh 77.6
Frank Ryan 77.6
78 Jon Kitna 77.4
Joe Theismann 77.4
80 Charlie Batch 77.2
Rank Quarterback Rating
81 Drew Bledsoe 77.1
Jay Fiedler 77.1
Bob Griese 77.1
84 Bill Kenney 77.0
85 Ryan Fitzpatrick 76.7
86 Gary Danielson 76.6
Erik Kramer 76.6
88 Doug Flutie 76.3
89 Stan Humphries 75.8
90 Wade Wilson 75.6
91 Steve Bartkowski 75.4
92 Steve Bono 75.3
Scott Mitchell 75.3
Ken Stabler 75.3
95 Tim Couch 75.1
Norm Van Brocklin 75.1
97 Sid Luckman 75.0
Vinny Testaverde 75.0
99 David Carr 74.9
Chris Miller 74.9
101 Don Meredith 74.8
Brian Sipe 74.8
103 Jake Plummer 74.6
104 Roman Gabriel 74.3
Y. A. Tittle 74.3
106 Steve DeBerg 74.2
Gus Frerotte 74.2
108 Earl Morrall 74.1
109 Kerry Collins 73.8
110 Frankie Albert 73.5
Craig Morton 73.5
112 Rodney Peete 73.3
113 Daryle Lamonica 72.9
Greg Landry 72.9
Don Majkowski 72.9
116 Ron Jaworski 72.8
Tommy Kramer 72.8
118 Tony Banks 72.4
119 Bubby Brister 72.3
John Brodie 72.3
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Knapp has been a part of 5 quarterbacks in the top 20 on this list. That is why Reggie is pissed at DA for firing Knapp. Especially without consulting him. But it’s moot as Reggie is about to re-hire Knapp anyway.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Trent Green better than Plunkett? Too funny.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Jeff George better than Johnny U? What’s this world coming to!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:00 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
If the Bolts hire Gruden or Lovie, then Davis, McK and Tits DA are in big trouble.
They will ALL look like buffoons.
Reid, Gruden, Fox and Lovie are ALL better coaches than DA.
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I do not like this at all. We are seriously screwed and gonna be out coached. We already get out coached every second half as it is. We are FVCKED!!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Please.
Enough with the stupid All Time QB rating List..
There is a horse who is dead. You guys are kicking it.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Jason Campbell better than Kenny Stabler?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Romo better than Troy Aikman. Like, WOW.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:03 am
In response to QB height talks from earlier, does it REALLY matter if a guy is 6′-1″ and not 6′-2″?? C’mon..
All that matters is how well the guy plays, see Drew Brees…
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The only place where 1 inch makes a difference is in the porno industry
January 4th, 2013 at 11:04 am
I’m fine with Werner, Te’o or Moore being the Raiders pick at #3.
I want to see Werner line up more at the RDE spot though in the 4-3.
They are saying he can even be a 5 tech as a 3-4 DE and even stand up and play OLB in the 3-4.
Wow. Great versatility. I want to see him stand up more as an OLB in the 3-4 though. If he can play that spot, then the Jags will probably take him.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:03 am
In response to QB height talks from earlier, does it REALLY matter if a guy is 6′-1″ and not 6′-2″?? C’mon..
All that matters is how well the guy plays, see Drew Brees…
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The only place where 1 inch makes a difference is in the porno industry
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And the 2000 AFC Championship game where Marquez Pope just missed deflecting the Trent Dilfer 3rd &18 pass to Shannon Sharpe that ended in a 96 yard TD.
The difference in the game.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am
874.Raider-in-PA Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:03 am
In response to QB height talks from earlier, does it REALLY matter if a guy is 6′-1″ and not 6′-2″?? C’mon..
All that matters is how well the guy plays, see Drew Brees…
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The only place where 1 inch makes a difference is in the porno industry
^^^^^^^^
HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am
jags will give tebow a shot, so that leaves the jets chiefs and cards as teams who would see cp as an upgrade.
chiefs will go with geno, cards will take barkley, so will the jets take CP off of our hands?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am
rivera meeting with the owner tomoro.
will rivera get the axe?
how would rivera being fired impact chip kelly?
newton, williams and former duck stewart….hmmmmmm
January 4th, 2013 at 11:06 am
870.jesusraiderjim Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:00 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:26 am
If the Bolts hire Gruden or Lovie, then Davis, McK and Tits DA are in big trouble.
They will ALL look like buffoons.
Reid, Gruden, Fox and Lovie are ALL better coaches than DA.
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I do not like this at all. We are seriously screwed and gonna be out coached. We already get out coached every second half as it is. We are FVCKED!!
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Yep. Ugh
January 4th, 2013 at 11:07 am
We’re not trading Carson Palmer to the Chiefs.
98% chance we’re not trading him at all.
17 million reasons a team wont want him.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Aaron Kromer as an OC Candidate… Favors the Air Coryell offense. Any thoughts?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:11 am
DAV…
1000% agree with you. He will be the Raiders starting QB in 2013 season. Pryor will be the 2nd string QB (unless something completely crazy happens in camp, or Palmer gets hurt.).
January 4th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Trotter calling out Reid, saying he was out coached many games.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Nobody is trading for Palmer’s salary, forget it.
NYJ has to keep Sanchez because of his cap number, they can’t add Palmer’s salary, same with AZ and Kolb.
Palmer will be a Raider in 2013 unless he retires, period.
And he’ll start again while TP backs him up and gets another year to work on his passing.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Whoknows Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Trotter calling out Reid, saying he was out coached many games.
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He’s been outcoached the last 2 years.
But the name chasers in here have him in the HOF and think were doomed.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
wow reid and geno smith?!??!
grrrrrrr we are sinking down the list of afc west starting qb
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Dutch thats problem with kelly…when he wants to he is good …that pisses me off big time
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Besides that the guy jumps off sides way to much for a vet. IMO Dump him if we can
January 4th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Nobody is trading for Palmer’s salary, forget it.
NYJ has to keep Sanchez because of his cap number, they can’t add Palmer’s salary, same with AZ and Kolb.
Palmer will be a Raider in 2013 unless he retires, period.
And he’ll start again while TP backs him up and gets another year to work on his passing.
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WORD!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Aaron Kromer & Pete Carmichael Jr are solid options.
Their current contracts expire at the end of the season so we wouldnt need permission to speak with them.
Although I find it hard to see them leave Sean Payton & the Saints..
Kromer more likely though.. Especially being an ex Raider.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:15 am
I’m ok with the Knapp re-hiring.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:16 am
We are not trading CP or DMC.
Print it!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:17 am
BLOCKING SCHEME
TEAM OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR BLOCKING SCHEME
Arizona Cardinals Mike Miller Man/Power
Atlanta Falcons Dirk Koetter Man/Power
Baltimore Ravens Cam Cameron Stretch/Zone
Buffalo Bills Curtis Modkins Stretch/Zone
Carolina Panthers Rob Chudzinski Stretch/Zone
Chicago Bears Mike Tice Stretch/Zone
Cincinnati Bengals Jay Gruden Man/Power
Cleveland Browns Brad Childress Stretch/Zone
Dallas Cowboys Bill Callahan Man/Power
Denver Broncos Mike McCoy Man/Power
Detroit Lions Scott Linehan Man/Power
Green Bay Packers Tom Clements Stretch/Zone
Houston Texans Rick Dennison Stretch/Zone
Indianapolis Colts Bruce Arians Man/Power
Jacksonville Jaguars Bob Bratkowski Man/Power
Kansas City Chiefs Brian Daboll Stretch/Zone
Miami Dolphins Mike Sherman Man/Power
Minnesota Vikings Bill Musgrave Man/Power
New England Patriots Josh McDaniels Stretch/Zone
New Orleans Saints Pete Carmichael Stretch/Zone
New York Giants Kevin Gilbride Man/Power
New York Jets Tony Sparano Man/Power
Oakland Raiders Greg Knapp Stretch/Zone
Philadelphia Eagles Marty Mornhinweg Stretch/Zone
Pittsburgh Steelers Todd Haley Man/Power
San Diego Chargers Hal Hunter Man/Power
San Francisco 49ers Greg Roman Man/Power
Seattle Seahawks Darrell Bevell Stretch/Zone
St. Louis Rams Brian Schottenheimer Man/Power
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mike Sullivan Stretch/Zone
Tennessee Titans Chris Palmer Stretch/Zone
Washington Redskins Kyle Shanahan Stretch/Zone
Base Defense/Coverage Scheme
TEAM DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR BASE DEFENSE COVERAGE SCHEME
Arizona Cardinals Ray Horton 34 Man
Atlanta Falcons Mike Nolan 43 Zone
Baltimore Ravens Dean Pees 34 Press Man
Buffalo Bills Dave Wannstedt 43 Zone
Carolina Panthers Sean McDermott 43 Zone
Chicago Bears Rod Marinelli 43 Zone
Cincinnati Bengals Mike Zimmer 43 Man
Cleveland Browns Dick Jauron 43 Man
Dallas Cowboys Rob Ryan 34 Man
Denver Broncos Jack Del Rio 43 Man
Detroit Lions Gunther Cunningham 43 Press Zone
Green Bay Packers Dom Capers 34 Press Man
Houston Texans Wade Phillips 34 Press Zone
Indianapolis Colts Greg Manusky 34 Zone
Jacksonville Jaguars Mel Tucker 43 Man
Kansas City Chiefs Romeo Crennel (HC) 34 Press Zone
Miami Dolphins Kevin Coyle 43 Press Man
Minnesota Vikings Alan Williams 43 Zone
New England Patriots Bill Belichick (HC) 43 Press Zone
New Orleans Saints Steve Spagnuolo 43 Man
New York Giants Perry Fewell 43 Zone
New York Jets Mike Pettine 34 Press Man
Oakland Raiders Jason Tarver 43 Press Man
Philadelphia Eagles Juan Castillo 43 Zone
Pittsburgh Steelers Dick LeBeau 34 Press Zone
San Diego Chargers John Pagano 34 Press Zone
San Francisco 49ers Vic Fangio 34 Zone
Seattle Seahawks Gus Bradley 43 Press Zone
St. Louis Rams Gregg Williams (ind. suspension) 43 Man
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Bill Sheridan 43 Zone
Tennessee Titans Jerry Gray 43 Zone
Washington Redskins Jim Haslett 34 Press Man
January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
So if the story is that Pryor is the starting QB for 2013…why wouldn’t Carson Palmer restructure his salary to be traded to have a chance at a starting job?
If we believe that Carson is playing for the love of the game and not the money (See Bengels holdout)…I understand nobody is going to touch him with the current contract.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
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January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Andy Reid is a very good football coach, there’s a reason he stayed unemployed for less than a week.
Does he make some stupid decisions? yeah, but his track-record allowed him to, he’s gonna get KC back into contention as soon as he finds a QB.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
DA is a clown.
Reggie’s plan is to keep the clown for Clowney.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:19 am
882.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Aaron Kromer as an OC Candidate… Favors the Air Coryell offense. Any thoughts?
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Kromer worked under Gruden when he was here as Assistant OLinecoach and also learned under Payton with the Saints.
He was also the RB coach/Running game coordinator with Saints.
I think he has upside and I would have no problem with him being hired as OC, but his inexperience being a play caller worries be a bit.
He needs to get that running game going.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:19 am
The Raiders arent a 4-3 press man.
So I have a hard time giving that list anymore attention.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Seymuor Bush Says:
I’m ok with the Knapp re-hiring.
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Reggie McKenzie and your beloved Dennis Allen disagree, so what are you gonna say now?.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am
wow reid and geno smith?!??!
grrrrrrr we are sinking down the list of afc west starting qb
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Let’s not get too excited. His dream team has the same record as DA’s team.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Wow Reid has won as many Superbowls as DA as a Head Coach…
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:25 am
why not norv for oc?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:27 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:25 am
why not norv for oc?
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Id love it.
I think there is a reasonable chance too.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:27 am
I’ll say it again.
Its hard to hire OCs right now with so many Head Coaches trying to put together staff’s incase they get a job.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Kromer, Carmichael, Norv or even Gailey work work as OC’s
January 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
TP should get some snaps nect season been if CP us having a PB year. He is a weapon, and he needs reps to develop.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Saunders as well since he is already familiar with the players.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Greg Knapp going to wind up coaching in the CFL?? hahaha
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Id love it.
I think there is a reasonable chance too
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might not be a bad idea to have a proven oc who’s been a head coach who happened to grow up a raider fan with such an inexperienced coaching staff otherwise
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
A mix of Saunders and Kromer…..
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Palmer, DHB & Kelly are the contacts that will need the most attention.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:31 am
They account for 27.27 million this season.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:31 am
TP should get some snaps NEXT* season EVEN* if CP IS* having a great year………
Damn phone.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Kromer, Carmichael, Norv or even Gailey work work as OC’s
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Add Mornhinweg.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Looks like Mike Mularkey will be fired too, he’s a decent Offensive Coordinator and we would have a better shot with him than Norv who can wait and chose his team.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Bruce Arians & Tom Telesco going to the Chargers scares me more than the KC moves.
By far.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Prior to the game lots of posters said Pryor should be starting.
After watching his horrible footwork, herkyjerky throwing motion, not going through his reads, and his passes that sailed all over the field, of course no one is saying Pryor should start next year.
Even the most blind optimist cringed while watching him play.
Keep your fingers crossed that he moves up from #3 on the depth chart. That’s not a given, at this point.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Release/ trade TK
Restructure CP & DHB
January 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am
nfl to review tuck rule…10 years late…
January 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Release/ trade TK
Restructure CP & DHB
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Most likely they all re-structure.
From a football sense, DHB makes the most sense to release/trade.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:36 am
field is wider on cfl….lots more room for him to run sideways!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:38 am
894.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
So if the story is that Pryor is the starting QB for 2013…why wouldn’t Carson Palmer restructure his salary to be traded to have a chance at a starting job?
If we believe that Carson is playing for the love of the game and not the money (See Bengels holdout)…I understand nobody is going to touch him with the current contract.
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I believe that Palmer will take less money IF they promise to bring in some studs at receiver.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:38 am
TK must go!!! worthless underachiever
January 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Gumbotron Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 am
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Knapp has been a part of 5 quarterbacks in the top 20 on this list. That is why Reggie is pissed at DA for firing Knapp. Especially without consulting him. But it’s moot as Reggie is about to re-hire Knapp anyway.
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Are you on drugs or what? There is absolutely no way Reggie would have anything further to do with Knapp. If he did, the nation, led by Mark Davis, would be down at Reggie’s office to behead him. His noggin would be declared as a void wasteland and would be removed and taken off to the landfill with all the other garbage.
Greg Knapp has seen his last days in Oakland working for the Raiders. This interaction will never happen again in anyone’s lifetime now here on Earth.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Prior to the game lots of posters said Pryor should be starting.
After watching his horrible footwork, herkyjerky throwing motion, not going through his reads, and his passes that sailed all over the field, of course no one is saying Pryor should start next year.
Even the most blind optimist cringed while watching him play.
Keep your fingers crossed that he moves up from #3 on the depth chart. That’s not a given, at this point.
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Get a life dirtbag.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Well, after Mark and/or Reggie slapped DA into starting TP last sunday and after hearing DA was pleased with his performance and then concede TP is gonna be a part of what we’ll do next year, I’d say things are looking up for Pryor, those are the people that matter, not us.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:40 am
I still think that the next oc will the guy that presents the best plan for tp6.
I think palmer is an after thought in that regard, so im not sure that some of the guys that are being named here are really going to be considered by oakland. i believ oaklnd has an eye for the future and carson is inconvenient unfortunate stop gap
Would oakland hire a former hc with da clealry struggling?
With guys like chip kelly apparently having his pick of teams, and the success of brady and ryans’ spread offense. With the hybrid offense in washington seattle and sf, it seems that the raiders are leaning in that direction.
You may be able to get someone without breaking the bank going this route as well.
The raiders are not tied to looking strictly in the nfl for coordinators either, a college coordinator or staffer ready to run an offense could fit the bill as well.
Especially in todays climate with an ever growing list of teams that are using so called college offenses
January 4th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Palmer isnt taking less money in ANY scenario.
He may spread some around to different years, or there may language [that isnt public] in his contract that voids some years/money.
But no, he isnt gonna take LESS money.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am
912.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
A mix of Saunders and Kromer…..
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That would work.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Out of the OC candidates, which have experience with mobile QBs?..
Turner.. only Alex Smith.
Kromer.. NO.
Gailey.. NO.
Mornhinweg.. BINGO.. [Steve Young & Mike Vick]
January 4th, 2013 at 11:43 am
920.Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Release/ trade TK
Restructure CP & DHB
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Yeah.
I think a some team out there may give up a 4th or 5th for Kelly.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:44 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am
912.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 am
A mix of Saunders and Kromer…..
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That would work.
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I agree.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Why are we talking about Aaron Kromer, has he interviewed or just a proposal from the blog?.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Seymour?
Everyone here, as in EVERYONE knows you’re Oakglen. And bsdetector. And others. Many others.
Is it pride that prevents you from just saying “f you. that’s right, I’m Oakglen. bite me”?
Just curious
January 4th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Al Saunders, Mike Mularkey, Jeremy Bates and Clyde Christensen top my list.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Because seventeen million dollars is $17,000,000.00.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Put Morninwheg in there too.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Why are we talking about Aaron Kromer, has he interviewed or just a proposal from the blog?.
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Ex-Raider w/ties to Dennis Allen.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Stayed at a bed and breakfast this weekend, ran into Tom Walsh, he told me he’s coming back as OC!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Al Saunders, Mike Mularkey, Jeremy Bates and Clyde Christensen top my list.
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Bates has experience working with the younger Carson Palmer too [Cutler]
January 4th, 2013 at 11:48 am
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Seymour?
Everyone here, as in EVERYONE knows you’re Oakglen. And bsdetector. And others. Many others.
Is it pride that prevents you from just saying “f you. that’s right, I’m Oakglen. bite me”?
Just curious
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Shut up Pathetic little person, and get a life.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Problem with Christensen is he has a job.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:49 am
A big thumbs down to Mularkey.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Ha Ha, looks like old KrappyRat got up on the wrong side of the couch
Poor old goat, while I was partying serious in Maui over the Holidays, I’m guessing you were blogging the days away at home on your iPad
Anyway, old fool, looking forward to another totally sweet year of dissing you to the curb
Just keepin’ it real
Your Pal,
The Beeeech Diggity Dawg
January 4th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Earlier on Twitter Levi Damien throughout Kromer as a Candidate. Nothing Concrete.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DAV.
Ex-Raider w/ties to Dennis Allen.
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I get that, but he’s never called plays before has he?.
I don’t think DA has time to groom an OC when 2013 might be his last year on the job and with Payton likely coming back with a vengeance, I don’t see Kromer leaving a Super Bowl contender to work for a coach who may not make it past next year.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Release/ trade TK
Restructure CP & DHB
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Most likely they all re-structure.
From a football sense, DHB makes the most sense to release/trade.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I disagree.
DHB is a hard worker, when used right, he can be a solid contributer as #2 or 3 WR. The problem is we don’t have a #1 WR. all our WRs are solid, but we lack a go to guy (#1 WR). Our go to guy was TE B Myers.
TK has too many penalties, and he takes plays off.
Resign Bryant and Shaughnessy, and release/ trade TK.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:52 am
DHB is not a #2 WR.
Any WR who cant catch the ball naturally is a 1 trick pony.
I love his work ethic & attitude.
But the guy cant catch.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Certainly not worthy of $7 million per year.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DAV.
Ex-Raider w/ties to Dennis Allen.
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I get that, but he’s never called plays before has he?.
I don’t think DA has time to groom an OC when 2013 might be his last year on the job and with Payton likely coming back with a vengeance, I don’t see Kromer leaving a Super Bowl contender to work for a coach who may not make it past next year.
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I dont see why he would leave either.
His contract is up though, so we can talk to him.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:54 am
DAV.
Mularkey has had success as an OC before, his last stint in Atlanta from 2008 to 2011 he had his Offense ranked 10th, 13th, 5th and 7th in points scored.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Jtstretch Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:38 am
TK must go!!! worthless underachiever
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Allow me to correct you please.
TK must go!!! Worthless overpaid underachiever.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:55 am
If DHB wants to make near minimum and be the #4 WR here, sure lets keep him.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:54 am
DAV.
Mularkey has had success as an OC before, his last stint in Atlanta from 2008 to 2011 he had his Offense ranked 10th, 13th, 5th and 7th in points scored.
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Yea, I was making a corny joke.
We dont want any mularkey.
The human Mularkey is a good OC
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Makes no sense to fire Mularkey. The cupboard was bare, ever barer than for DA. They need to give him some time to properly evaluate him. The Jagoffs GM is another story. But if they hire new management, I could see Mularkey given his walking papers.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
DAV.
Clyde Christensen is Indy’s QB Coach, he would get promoted here, then again Arians may get a HC gig so the OC position in Indy might go to Clyde or maybe he goes with Arians.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
If palmer cant take a pay cut, cut him… fuc paying 17mil for any kind of W/L record. bottom line is we havent won schyt with him and probably wont be winning much with him. As a U.S.C. fan i was very excited when he signed with us, but i for one am ready to roll with T.P. WIN LOOSE OR TIE
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Moore
Streater
Ford
Those are our top 3 WRs..
If we can get a real #1, that leaves DHB 5th on the chain.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:57 am
DAV.
Lol sorry
January 4th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
DAV.
Clyde Christensen is Indy’s QB Coach, he would get promoted here, then again Arians may get a HC gig so the OC position in Indy might go to Clyde or maybe he goes with Arians.
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We would have to get permission to interview him from the Colts.
They have no reason to grant that. No reason to let him leave.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:58 am
“Jaguars assistant coaches were given permission Friday to speak to other teams about open jobs.”
As ESPN’s Adam Schefter notes, it’s not a good sign for Mike Mularkey’s chances of avoiding a pink slip. It may also be an indication that the Jaguars are close to hiring a general manager. (Or perhaps they already have.)
January 4th, 2013 at 11:58 am
big pep Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
If palmer cant take a pay cut, cut him… fuc paying 17mil for any kind of W/L record. bottom line is we havent won schyt with him and probably wont be winning much with him. As a U.S.C. fan i was very excited when he signed with us, but i for one am ready to roll with T.P. WIN LOOSE OR TIE
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If we cut Palmer he will still count for 17 million against the cap.
He is guaranteed that money.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Clyde Christensen is Indy’s QB Coach, he would get promoted here, then again Arians may get a HC gig so the OC position in Indy might go to Clyde or maybe he goes with Arians.
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We would have to get permission to interview him from the Colts.
They have no reason to grant that. No reason to let him leave.
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Crap, you’re right.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Maybe I’m one of those rare posters who just wants our QB to succeed no matter who it is, but Pryor had 4 drops. There’s some debate whether those passes were really catchable or not, but from what I saw..they were.
That duck to DHB on a key 3rd down wasn’t easy by any means, but it was a pass any good receiver catches…period. There was another to Myers where he was it as the ball arrived but it was in his hands. Another to Reece was flat out dropped and I can’t remember the exact circumstances of the other drop.
Considering that, we are talking what should have been a 17-28 day and probably close to 200 yd’s passing, and u add in the other 49 he had on the ground and it’s around 250 yd’s of offense with 3 td’s.
Since it was his first start ever in the pros…on a wet day…even the most hardened of Pryor critics have to admit it wasn’t a bad performance.
As a fan who only wants us to win games, i didn’t come away from it blown away that now we finally have our SB QB, but there were many things i really liked about his game.
I’ve personally seen him throw with a lot more zip than what we saw Sunday when he was at Ohio St. but for a 1st start ever…on the road…pretty good imo.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:59 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:52 am
DHB is not a #2 WR.
Any WR who cant catch the ball naturally is a 1 trick pony.
I love his work ethic & attitude.
But the guy cant catch.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
60+ catches and 900+ yards in 2011.
Like I said, when used right (short passes and let him use his size and speed to get YAC, reverse, etc…) he can be a solid contributer as #2 or 3 (if you have a better #2).
January 4th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Is TP the luckiest guy alive, or what?
First he gets inserted against a really bad SD team, that had already mailed it in. (think if the Bronco’s were our last game?)
A lucky fumble recovery and a td that should have been called off due to offensive pass interference, and he goes from even the goofiest blind fan saying “Oh man, TP sucks. Those guys are right, and I hate to admit it” to “well, uh, we did score. Yeah, he looked really ugly on the field, but we did score, so I’m going to just keep repeating that when challenged on why TP looked so bad out there”
Going to be so much fun watching the race mongers keep screaming for TP to be in after every loss next year, knowing that if he ever does get a stint, they’ll be left with egg on their face.
Good times.
Fun stuff.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Moore
Streater
Ford
Those are our top 3 WRs..
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Don’t want Ford back. Can’t stay healthy and doesn’t take care of his body in the offseason. Not committed to this. There a dime a dozen for smurfy speedster WR’s. Turning the page.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Mularkey would probably bring Heck & Prince as the OL coaches too..
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When we finish porking lets eat lobster with drawn butter
I promise you a rainbow, the stars and the moon
Sorry to ruin the moment, but I jizzed a bit too soon
PROPS TO BEL BIV DEVOE, ALWAYS FOLLOW YOUR DREAMS
January 4th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
“Since it was his first start ever in the pros…on a wet day…even the most hardened of Pryor critics have to admit it wasn’t a bad performance.”
44%? 150 yds? ugly ducks that turned into picks? a loss against a bad team?
Oh yeah, he rocks, lol.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
We are going to pay Carson Palmer his $17 million and we are going to like it.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
So Al Saunders, Mike Mularkey (if available), Jeremy Bates and Marty Morninwheg…maybe we are already talking with them.
Longshots Geep Chryst and Pat Hill.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Not to mention his 5.1 YPA. That rocks!
January 4th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Moore
Streater
Ford
Those are our top 3 WRs..
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Don’t want Ford back. Can’t stay healthy and doesn’t take care of his body in the offseason. Not committed to this. There a dime a dozen for smurfy speedster WR’s. Turning the page.
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Im not sure how you know everything he does in the off-season LOL..
But ok..
January 4th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I’ll take Mularkey over Bates and Morninwheg. Please let there be more choices….
January 4th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Geep Chryst is also currently employed..
And Pat Hill has never called plays..
January 4th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Im not sure how you know everything he does in the off-season LOL..
But ok..
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Committment to Excellence baby!
January 4th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Pat Hill is old…next
January 4th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
Mularkey would probably bring Heck & Prince as the OL coaches too..
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Sounds good.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
My offseason wishlist-
Norv Turner OC
trade for Kirk Cousins and have him back up CP for year or 2
Larry Fitzgerald
Draft D Lineman and CB’s
Resign Wheeler
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
@Gil_Brandt: Reid got everything he wanted in KC, complete control. Biggest factor for Reid was Chiefs prez Mark Donovan. Reid loved what he heard.
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Complete control always works out.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
My offseason wishlist-
Norv Turner OC
trade for Kirk Cousins and have him back up CP for year or 2
Larry Fitzgerald
Draft D Lineman and CB’s
Resign Wheeler
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You’re in for A LOT of heartbreak this off-season.
LOL.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
So Guest123, DAV and I agree…
Get Mike Mularkey an interview as soon as he gets fired.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:38 am
894.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am
So if the story is that Pryor is the starting QB for 2013…why wouldn’t Carson Palmer restructure his salary to be traded to have a chance at a starting job?
If we believe that Carson is playing for the love of the game and not the money (See Bengels holdout)…I understand nobody is going to touch him with the current contract.
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I believe that Palmer will take less money IF they promise to bring in some studs at receiver.
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No player takes less money when they are in the middle of a contract.. He will probably restructure his contract so it wont be as big of a hit to the cap this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Get Jeremy Bates one too.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Cwolfman…..brad johnson a winner…marino is a stat filling loser just like jim kelly….gimme brad over them….yes
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and this is why u guys think qb’s win and stats don’t count. priceless.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
So Guest123, DAV and I agree…
Get Mike Mularkey an interview as soon as he gets fired.
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Mularkey is a good man too.
Mularkey / Mornhinweg / Turner / Kromer [in no order]
My final 4.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Ponder is a playoff QB, more than we can say about Carson Palmer these days.
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wow. dumbest fans ever.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Sounds like nobody wants the bpa.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Im not too thrilled with Bates.
He’s gotten a lot of chances and hasnt ever got the job done.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Sounds like nobody wants the bpa
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Enlighten me..
January 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:58 am
big pep Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:56 am
If palmer cant take a pay cut, cut him… fuc paying 17mil for any kind of W/L record. bottom line is we havent won schyt with him and probably wont be winning much with him. As a U.S.C. fan i was very excited when he signed with us, but i for one am ready to roll with T.P. WIN LOOSE OR TIE
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If we cut Palmer he will still count for 17 million against the cap.
He is guaranteed that money.
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Well then, i guess he stays. schyyyt.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 am
andy reid? Hmmm i wonder if he would be interested in upgrading the qb spot in kc. Could they be duped into taking carson? They have some good pieces on offense and have been said to be a qb short. I doubt reid will want cassel or quinn, im curious what qb he chooses.
what about chip kelly. Im dying to see what qb he chooses. Will he dust off dennis dixon, or a journeyman like vy. Does he go in a completely different direction and change his offense?
This is going to be a trip
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chip kelly may be coming to the nfl. and all this moron can come up with is dennis dixon or vince young. why aren’t more of u making of this twerp?
January 4th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
I’ll go with Mike Mularkey, Jeremy Bates, Marty Morningwheg and Al Saunders, I think it is Al, if not I’d prefer Mularkey, then Morninwheg and Bates.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
enlighten you how? I’m just saying reading the blog posts I mostly seen people wanting to draft for need regardless of who’s available
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Of course, we would not be in this mess if we had hired David Shaw as I kept saying a year ago.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Prior to the game lots of posters said Pryor should be starting.
After watching his horrible footwork, herkyjerky throwing motion, not going through his reads, and his passes that sailed all over the field, of course no one is saying Pryor should start next year.
Even the most blind optimist cringed while watching him play.
Keep your fingers crossed that he moves up from #3 on the depth chart. That’s not a given, at this point.
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missdick is a huge liar. he has for days been saying we SHOULD dump palmer and immediately start pryor.
are u gonna deny it cowardly liar? cuz the posts are easy enuff to find.
and btw, his little lapdog raiderO has been saying the same thing.
aren’t u embarrassed by suggesting the raiders are going to get an OC for pryor? when it doesn’t happen, is it racist?
laughable little clowns.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
enlighten you how? I’m just saying reading the blog posts I mostly seen people wanting to draft for need regardless of who’s available
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Thought you might have a list of players or something..
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Only choice at #3 is a franchise QB or pass rushing end. Only thing that makes any sense. Throw drafting for need out the window.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
“he has earned the right to be further evaluated.”
yaeh that sure sounds like pryor will be our starter soon.
more like he will be given a “chance” to be the #2.
and i doubt that. if we pick a qb in the draft, like say tyler bray in the 3rd, pryor will be the #3 again.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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These guys think Chad Pennington is the 13th best QB of all time. It’s pure comedy in here.
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it’s the nfl’s list, stupid. not mine. argue with them.
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Pro-football-reference.com is not an NFL web site, stupid.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Only choice at #3 is a franchise QB or pass rushing end. Only thing that makes any sense. Throw drafting for need out the window.
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Theres 3 variables in that equation.
The passer.
The pass rusher.
The person trying to stop that pass rusher.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Remember that pass that Welker “dropped” in the SB that some say cost NE the game? If that were one of our guys we would’ve just blown it off as “that was a really tuff catch, you can’t expect him to catch one that off target…it would’ve been a spectacular catch if he made it”, but for NE…they EXPECT to make those plays with their receivers.
I think we’ve become so accustomed to our guys so rarely making plays that we just chalk it up as “it happens” etc.
We need guys that will fight for the ball…make the occasional unlikely catch but definitely catch the dang ball.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Looks like Nob Bust is on the verge of a sweet 2013 meltdown. The Punching Bag hasn’t missed a beat, holla
Yo Brahs, my new maid just finished cleaning and exfoliating my package for proper sun tanning at the pool
She can also make a mean Hot Pocket, she does 3 min in the microwave then gently fries over medium heat until golden and flaky
Working on a new reggae joint, this one should make the girl’s booties hella pop on the stripper pole
MO FIZZLE
January 4th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Kell, you crossposting bich, what’s your other handles?
Over and over, for fun, I’ll post as you, just to prove you are here, posting under another name.
And voila’, within MINUTES OF ME POSTING SOMETHING THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT FROM YOU (read: makes sense. Articulate. On the money. more than a one sentence say nothing whimper) THERE YOU ARE.
Impossible for you to show up every single time, after having not been here all morning, like the following, unless you are here posting.
So, you crossposting pos unemployed, kept, fat couch potato, we all know you are posting under different handles. I just enjoy proving it
Notice that within minutes, below, here you are, after not being here ALL DAY.
Coincidence? Of course not.
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KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Prior to the game lots of posters said Pryor should be starting.
After watching his horrible footwork, herkyjerky throwing motion, not going through his reads, and his passes that sailed all over the field, of course no one is saying Pryor should start next year.
Even the most blind optimist cringed while watching him play.
Keep your fingers crossed that he moves up from #3 on the depth chart. That’s not a given, at this point.
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Get a life dirtbag.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
sorry, i go by facts, not jackazz opinions.
go look at the nfl statistics. sorry of i u don’t like it.
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Dr.Nob I see you love stats/numbers alot, I came across some from week 17
14/28 191 50.0 2td 72.8QBR
13/28 150 46.4 2td 71.2QBR Pryor
Do you know who the stats on top belong too?
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
How do you say Carson Palmer in Spanish?
Mark Sanchez.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Only choice at #3 is a franchise QB or pass rushing end. Only thing that makes any sense. Throw drafting for need out the window.
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Theres 3 variables in that equation.
The passer.
The pass rusher.
The person trying to stop that pass rusher.
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Disagree. The person trying to stop the pass rusher isn’t a marquee position at the top of the draft boards anymore. GM’s are focused on QB’s and guys who smack QB’s down hard. Period.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
V.Y. is far from a “journeyman” try unemployed dumbassss.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Pryor
Rivers
January 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Only choice at #3 is a franchise QB or pass rushing end. Only thing that makes any sense. Throw drafting for need out the window.
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Theres 3 variables in that equation.
The passer.
The pass rusher.
The person trying to stop that pass rusher.
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Disagree. The person trying to stop the pass rusher isn’t a marquee position at the top of the draft boards anymore. GM’s are focused on QB’s and guys who smack QB’s down hard. Period.
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Disagree.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
I will give ya a clue he was a #1 pick and this week 17 was his 16th start
January 4th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Rivers isn’t a far shake from Palmer when you think about it. Talent to throw the deep ball but eye gauging irritating & irresponsible throws to no one in particular or the guy in the wrong uniform.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Disagree.
..
agree to disagree
January 4th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
I will give ya a clue he was a #1 pick and this week 17 was his 16th start
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Ahhh..
You didnt include the rushing stats..
January 4th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
“he has earned the right to be further evaluated.”
yaeh that sure sounds like pryor will be our starter soon.
more like he will be given a “chance” to be the #2.
and i doubt that. if we pick a qb in the draft, like say tyler bray in the 3rd, pryor will be the #3 again.
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Tyler Fucn Bray, thats who you think is gonna be a number 2? that b@tch cant even be a number 1 at Tenn. cry baby who throws a fit on the field, and the sidelines after a bad pick, or just a bonehead mistake or taking a sack.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
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Someone who can turn Pryor into a WR.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Mark Sanchez.
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no bueno
January 4th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
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missdick is a huge liar. he has for days been saying we SHOULD dump palmer and immediately start pryor.
are u gonna deny it cowardly liar? cuz the posts are easy enuff to find.
and btw, his little lapdog raiderO has been saying the same thing.
aren’t u embarrassed by suggesting the raiders are going to get an OC for pryor? when it doesn’t happen, is it racist?
laughable little clowns.
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He is a laughable little clown, and one has to wonder what makes a grown man (assuming he’s grown) melt down like he does.
It’s like he feels inferior to everyone.
It’s like he blames his ethnicity for his lot in life.
And sadly, you can see how he actually feels better about himself if a black person does something noteworthy.
We’re all people. Period. Sizes shapes colors eyes noses, all different, thankfully.
Yet he feels inferior because of his color. his nose. his inability to learn.
Shouldn’t feel that way Mistic.
Nor should Kell the Snitch.
(I might rib him, but I don’t think Priest feels that way due to color, he’s more due to someone he latches onto, but don’t tell him I said that, I’ll deny it, lol)
Mistic is that guy who always feels he doesn’t measure up, but if one of his hero’s does, he instantly lives vicariously through him.
Sad
to be sure.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
No I didn’t for Pryor or Luck, I didn’t include int or rushing TD either, passing only
January 4th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
KrappyRat, your impersonator is totally dissing you to the curb
Got to make it tough to hustle up more listings when you’re getting slapped around on your precious blog, huh
Ooops – Sorry, I made a mistake!
I said “more listings” when I meant to type “any listings”
My bad, Old Troll
January 4th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:43 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Elraidmanhattan Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Dr. Robert if you think the Shaub is a top 10 qb, then you should go watch the CFL
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These guys think Chad Pennington is the 13th best QB of all time. It’s pure comedy in here.
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it’s the nfl’s list, stupid. not mine. argue with them.
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Pro-football-reference.com is not an NFL web site, stupid.
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We frown upon the use of the word stupid on this blog.
Please refrain, in the future.
Dumbass
January 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
these are the types of moves that piss off the blind hero worshipppers around here who would rather have big name scholarship players on the roster.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Only choice at #3 is a franchise QB or pass rushing end. Only thing that makes any sense. Throw drafting for need out the window.
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Theres 3 variables in that equation.
The passer.
The pass rusher.
The person trying to stop that pass rusher.
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Disagree. The person trying to stop the pass rusher isn’t a marquee position at the top of the draft boards anymore. GM’s are focused on QB’s and guys who smack QB’s down hard. Period.
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But the best available OL are always the marquee guys that go first and for a ton of money in free agency.
I’m not sure what that says. Maybe that it’s felt that OL is the most hit or miss position in the college transition, so it’s safer just to pay big backs for someone that has proven that they can do it in the bigs.
Or it could be that OL just aren’t sexy enough because they don’t produce anything like stats or big plays. In fact, the best of them are mostly invisibile because they don’t make highlight reels getting beat or catch the fans’ attention getting too many penalties.
Either way, show me a team in recent history that won a Super Bowl that did NOT have a top 3 OL. I can’t think of one. Can you say the same about any other position group? I guess you could argue that the Colts in 2007 didn’t have a top line but they had Manning who’s reads and audibles always make a unit play a good 5 notches higher by putting them in the optimal positions to succeed.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Disagree.
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agree to disagree
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Agreed
Wait.. LOL
January 4th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
ಠ_ಠ
January 4th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
January 4th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
KrappyRat, your impersonator is totally dissing you to the curb
Got to make it tough to hustle up more listings when you’re getting slapped around on your precious blog, huh
Ooops – Sorry, I made a mistake!
I said “more listings” when I meant to type “any listings”
My bad, Old Troll
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I worry about Mikey.
Guy thinks this blog is his webMD site.
Asking advice about chafed butt cheeks?
Thunder thighs?
gastronomical atrocities emitting as he chases personalities around Safeway?
He’s a cornucopia of conflicts.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
B)
January 4th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Looks like Mike Mularkey will be fired too, he’s a decent Offensive Coordinator and we would have a better shot with him than Norv who can wait and chose his team.
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Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
For what it’s worth, Jacksonville OC Bob Bratkowski was Carson Palmer’s OC in Cincinnati . . .
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January 4th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
I’m sure K-Rat has an exciting trip planned to Oslo where he’ll get to sit around an apt. all day long. And blog.
On KrappyWife’s dime, of course
It’s totally cool though the Troll gets mad props all over Europe
The Prince & Princess of Copehagen always invite him over for fancy dinners in his McFadden jersey
WHUT WHUT
January 4th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Looks like Mike Mularkey will be fired too, he’s a decent Offensive Coordinator and we would have a better shot with him than Norv who can wait and chose his team.
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Jerry McDonald@Jerrymcd
For what it’s worth, Jacksonville OC Bob Bratkowski was Carson Palmer’s OC in Cincinnati . . .
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Interesting…
January 4th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Let’s say Oakland decides to go Wave of the Future. Is Pryor THAT guy?
We definitely NEED receivers who can catch the dang ball.
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Yes! We need WR’s who come back to the ball and catch with their hands ala Jerry Rice and not with their torso ala DHB!
January 4th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
“Bratkowski’s offense generally suffered from being too predictable, and this led to his poor reputation amongst the fans of the team. Bratkowski’s final work with the Bengals was coordinating the North squad of the 2011 Senior Bowl, but at halftime his duties were handed over to quarterbacks coach Ken Zampese”
No thanks.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Problem with the mobile QB’s, is that they get older, slower and dinged up, and the defense stays young, fast as possible and healthy.
Unless the plan is to continue to rotate in younger QB’s and run these read option things, not sure where this will take us.
RGIII is not running the zone read in 4 years. Neither is Russell Wilson. Cam might be a little longer, but not much.
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Agree 100%–injuries are always possible but with each run, the probability of injury increases.
If these kinds of qbs succeed in making the playoffs, yet their teams only get the benefit of their running skills for a short time (a few seasons) before they have to become purely pocket qbs, then they must have really good passing skills as pocket passers or else teams won’t feel their huge contracts at the top position of the game is worth the investment.
Now, if teams begin to see that this IS the wave of the future because such players are being groomed in high school and colleges to play the position this way, and if they being to start drafting guys like this who have decent but not great arms, decent passing but not great passing skills, but terrific mobility and running skills, then teams will be accepting that fact that the life of this kind of qb will be pretty short. Thus, they’ll only want to give short-term contracts to such qbs of this new kind.
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
I doubt this will happen, but one doesn’t know.
I have always been amazed at the longevity of Steve Young. The only thing that kept him alive was that he was elusive, knew how to twist his body to avoid absorbing the power hits, yet when need be, he could plow through guys.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Steve Young’s career was riddled with concussions.
He didnt exactly avoid the big hit.
Ask Warren Sapp.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
For any coaching candidate you want to include as an option for us, please do not include any coaches currently under contract with a team.
They will not give permission for them to leave.
And if they do, there’s a reason. They’re not any good.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
For any coaching candidate you want to include as an option for us, please do not include any coaches currently under contract with a team.
They will not give permission for them to leave.
And if they do, there’s a reason. They’re not any good.
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There are a few (such as Pat Hill) who may have “I can leave for a coordinator position whenever I want” clauses in their contracts.
But in general, you’re right.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
My offseason wishlist-
Norv Turner OC
trade for Kirk Cousins and have him back up CP for year or 2
Larry Fitzgerald
Draft D Lineman and CB’s
Resign Wheeler
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You’re in for A LOT of heartbreak this off-season.
LOL.
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Yeah, I’m used to it.
I’m almost getting numb to the pain of watching the Raiders.
I’m putting up “walls” like a bad relationship lol
Actually it’s not funny, I am so tired of watching an almost unwatchable product the last decade.
(Cable/Hue gave me some hope)
Just not feeling DA. Hope I’m wrong and he is next big thing.
January 4th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
poprox13 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Stayed at a bed and breakfast this weekend, ran into Tom Walsh, he told me he’s coming back as OC!
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NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Been there done that! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
January 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
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I think you are onto something there. QB’s are better prepared to enter and start in this league from day one and the shelf life for expectation is rather quick and descent is fast too. Oh, there will always be some Tom Brady and Peyton Manning types, but athletic running QB is a model that will cycle thru and churn up healthy bodies on the way to short term goals. Coaches and GM’s know their life expectancy is shorter than ever, so they will gamble on upside or follow the old script and be fired in year three.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
lol, sounds like another Knapp, probably why Jer said for what its worth
January 4th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Every year there is a team that goes from worst to first.
Who is it next season?
Bills
Browns
Jags
Chiefs
Cards
Bucs
Lions
Eagles
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
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I think you are onto something there. QB’s are better prepared to enter and start in this league from day one and the shelf life for expectation is rather quick and descent is fast too. Oh, there will always be some Tom Brady and Peyton Manning types, but athletic running QB is a model that will cycle thru and churn up healthy bodies on the way to short term goals. Coaches and GM’s know their life expectancy is shorter than ever, so they will gamble on upside or follow the old script and be fired in year three.
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Wow, Mistics ideas are gaining traction in here?
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Bucs were 7-9, hardly deserve to be in that list.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Seattle is a good model of a team I would like to see the Raiders 1 day evolve into.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
While I hear those that feel Reggie should automatically trade down, and while I don’t think that’s a necessarily bad thing since we need bodies at many positions, I keep reminding myself that, in the end, football, like all team sports, is really a game about match-ups.
I’d hate to see RG pass up a guy who will be so top- notch that on most given Sundays, he will be the better man in his match-up in order to get 2 or even 3 guys who will play evenly with their guy or maybe win their match-ups 55% of the time.
We’re in a precarious situation. We do indeed need guys at many positions, but it does no good for us to get several serviceable people that are better than what we have, but only somewhat better than what we have.
I’d rather he take another year and another draft, even another 2 drafts, to build *top* quality at several positions if it means he can get a guy who will be with us for years while being the top guy in his match-ups.
In other words, I don’t feel that quantity now should be sacrificed for top qualtity.
It will take a strong will for Reggie to avoid taking quantity IF he feels Mark D. or the fans are too impatient.
Mark needs to understand that it took his dad a long time to destroy the Raider brand, and it will take a while to build it again.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
1st Round OT’s in the Playoffs:
WAS Trent Williams
MIN Matt Kalil
DEN Ryan Clady
HOU Duane Brown
SEA Russell Okung
SF Joe Staley
SF Anthony Davis
CIN Andre Smith
BAL Michael Oher
NE Nate Solder
IND Anthony Castonzo
ATL Sam Baker
2nd Rounders
NE Sebastian Vollmer
MIN Phil Loadholt
CIN Andrew Whitworth
DEN Orlando Franklin
BAL Kelechi Osemele
Interestingly that several teams have high draft picks as their OT combos, LT first:
SF Staley and Davis, 1st and 1st.
NE Solder and Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
BAL Oher and Osemele, 1st and 2nd.
CIN Whitworth and Smith, 2nd and 1st.
DEN Clady and Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
MIN Kalili and Loadholt.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Make that “RM” not “RG”. (Talk about hearing those initials “RG” a bit too much…).
January 4th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Bucs were 7-9, hardly deserve to be in that list.
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They finished last in their division.. so..
They would be included in a list of last to first..
January 4th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Draft Joeckel, if available.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Interesting info Marley. I’m curious though what % of those first rounders were top 5 or even top 3 picks?
And I realize that marquee LT’s were once very prominently drafted, but I think they don’t value them the same anymore (talking about a trend the last 5 maybe 6 years)
January 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
I dont see Palmer going anywhere because of that huge Contract but Mckenzie still hasnt drafted his own QB. I dont see Mckenzie passing up a QB this draft. Is someone going to be worth a top 3 pick?? Nooo, but thats not saying that Mckenzie and Allen wont fall in love with someone. Now I dont know what the QB rosters are going to be for the North but I wouldnt be surprised to see a QB taken.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
* Interesting that several teams have high draft picks as their OT combos, LT first:
SF Staley and Davis, 1st and 1st.
NE Solder and Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
BAL Oher and Osemele, 1st and 2nd.
CIN Whitworth and Smith, 2nd and 1st.
DEN Clady and Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
MIN Kalil and Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
They finished last in their division.. so..
They would be included in a list of last to first..
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or you could say they finished in a three way tie for second. But you are probably going to split hairs and talk about tie breakers, right?
January 4th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
* Interesting that several teams have high draft picks as their OT combos, LT first:
SF Staley and Davis, 1st and 1st.
NE Solder and Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
BAL Oher and Osemele, 1st and 2nd.
CIN Whitworth and Smith, 2nd and 1st.
DEN Clady and Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
MIN Kalil and Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
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Veldheer was making nice strides last year. I think he’ll be just fine with proper coaching.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
They finished last in their division.. so..
They would be included in a list of last to first..
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or you could say they finished in a three way tie for second. But you are probably going to split hairs and talk about tie breakers, right?
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Nah dont care about it that much.
Just a topic to discuss.
They were on the list of teams that finished last.. so I included them
*shrugs shoulders*
January 4th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Veldheer is fine, get Joeckel as his bookend.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
It will take a strong will for Reggie to avoid taking quantity IF he feels Mark D. or the fans are too impatient.
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I think Reggie would be the one that would want more picks, if we can trade down a few spots and still get a player he really likes I guess Im ok with it, but I don’t want to miss out on a difference maker just to get some picks, I hope he has a good plan cause this draft could be huge for him and the Raiders
January 4th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Guest123.
I’ll give you top 10 pick over the last 5 years.
Matt Kalil, Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Russell Okung, Jake Long, Ryan Clady, Jason Smith, Andre Smith and Eugene Monroe.
Sorry if I missed one.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
It’s a good topic though. If I were to choose which team, I’d take the Browns. They have had some solid drafts recently, but it all depends on who they get to replace Shurmur.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I think Chip Kelly could turn Colt McCoy into something..
Maybe even Weeden.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Veldheer is fine, get Joeckel as his bookend.
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Dude has played LT all through college. So tired of drafting lineman and making them play positions they’ve never played before.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
Veldheer is fine, get Joeckel as his bookend.
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Dude has played LT all through college. So tired of drafting lineman and making them play positions they’ve never played before.
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Got a point there, but if Joeckel is the best player available and you have a gaping hole at RT, you pick him and let the staff sort it out, maybe Veldheer moves.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
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I think you are onto something there. QB’s are better prepared to enter and start in this league from day one and the shelf life for expectation is rather quick and descent is fast too. Oh, there will always be some Tom Brady and Peyton Manning types, but athletic running QB is a model that will cycle thru and churn up healthy bodies on the way to short term goals. Coaches and GM’s know their life expectancy is shorter than ever, so they will gamble on upside or follow the old script and be fired in year three.
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Wow, Mistics ideas are gaining traction in here?
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Take your head out of your ass, Kell the Snitch.
Mistic’s point, and YOUR point has always been that BLACK QB’S ARE THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE..not that a qb is instantly ready to engage.
You’re such a sheep, Mikey.
I understand your wife wears the pants, and makes the decisions, and the money, in your family.
Still, it’s no reason to just puzzy up all the time, is it?
January 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I doubt Veldheer would get moved right away, Joeckel would more than likely be the RT if drafted imo
January 4th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Thanks Marley,
Of that list, from memory I can weed out several who weren’t top 5 or top 3. And other than Kalil, Okung, J Smith, and Clady it’s a dicey proposition to draft LT’s that high.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
I have a feeling if Reggie doesn’t like one of the pass rushers alot he will try to trade down, Im thinkin they are goin all defense like the Pack did last year
January 4th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Yeah it seems like a high bust rate in LTs lately, but you could also say that about alot of positions
January 4th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Guest123…as dicey as any other position IMO.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
I’m sure K-Rat has an exciting trip planned to Oslo where he’ll get to sit around an apt. all day long. And blog.
On KrappyWife’s dime, of course
It’s totally cool though the Troll gets mad props all over Europe
The Prince & Princess of Copehagen always invite him over for fancy dinners in his McFadden jersey
WHUT WHUT
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Russell, not McF. Get it straight. I’m a Jamarcus fan. Always have been, always will be. He’s my homie.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
One year ago.
Oh yeah, baby.
• KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Reggie McKenzie is a dream come true. Mentored by Ron Wolf?!? C’mon.
Finally, competent football management.
Soooooo happy.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
One year ago.
Guess I was redundant back then?
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
McKenzie is mentored by Ron Wolf, and blessed by John Madden.
Best day for the Raiders in many years.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Marley, agreed.
I guess I have my favorite and I’ve watched enough of him to get excited about him being a Raider. Werner is my choice. Can’t and won’t disparage other’s opinions though. A good starting LT would be nice too.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Hue Jackson wishes he could take back his final press conference
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/11/hue-jackson-wishes-he-could-take-back-his-final-press-conference/
January 4th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Have a nice weekend guys! I’m out for some R&R
January 4th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Whoop.
Wifey won.
Onto the finals which will be held at Jack London Sq Jan 19.
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I’m entering my wife in the Ugliest Dog contest. Wish me luck
January 4th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Rams trade up to 3, select Luke Joeckel.
We acquire their 2 first round picks & 3rd rounder.
Draft:
1- Taylor Lewan [T, Michigan]
1- Dion Jordan [OLB/DE, Oregon]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
3- Nathan Williams [DE/OLB, Ohio St]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE, UCLA]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
That’s right, I’m a snitch. The best. So what?
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KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I shall ban this clown. Thanks for the heads-up.
Cork
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
We already have a good starting LT, if he falls in love with one of the pass rushers than he will probably snatch him up at #3 but if he doesn’t see much of a difference between the top rated than some of the mid round prospects I believe he will try to trade down, this draft should be about defense imo
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Why should Veldehere have to move to RT. The kid played well this year especially in a wack transition year with KNAPP.
He would have been further along by now if he was just left in the power scheme. He handles the pass rushers and run game well this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Whoop.
Wifey won.
Onto the finals which will be held at Jack London Sq Jan 19.
KoolKell Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
I’m entering my wife in the Ugliest Dog contest. Wish me luck
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Zzzzzzzzzzzz
January 4th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
If anything u need to trade down and get some INTERIOR OL straight from BAMA OLINE
January 4th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Chance Warmack was my other option, but would still leave a whole at RT..
January 4th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
hole*
January 4th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Guest123.
It’s all good man, Werner is a very interesting guy and one with a high floor, I may join your bandwagon in the nex few weeks.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Hope everyone watches the Cotton Bowl tonight… Make sure to pay attention to Damontre Moore and Sean Porter
January 4th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
We need difference makers on defense, if we trade down and could still get a pass rusher and OT or OG Im good with that, but we need one of these higher rated Pass rushers imo
January 4th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I like Werner alot and his ceiling is Huge because he’s still learning the game but I did notice him taking plays off in games and even in the bowl game I seen him take plays off and be out of position.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Bob Marley Says:
Clyde Christensen is Indy’s QB Coach, he would get promoted here, then again Arians may get a HC gig so the OC position in Indy might go to Clyde or maybe he goes with Arians.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
We would have to get permission to interview him from the Colts.
They have no reason to grant that. No reason to let him leave.
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Crap, you’re right.
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Why? Thought they couldn’t stop him interviewing for a promotion. ‘Cause they’re in the playoffs?
January 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Found this floating around the interwebs
http://i48.tinypic.com/mtxtas.png
January 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
NT/DT Josh Boyd from Miss St can be looked at in the middle rounds round 4 or 5.
Plenty of servicable rotational spot starters at the NT/DT positions that can be had in Rounds 4 and 5 in this years draft IMO.
That’s why McK should focus on Werner, D Moore or Te’o with that #3 pick unless they trade down.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Im a big on Werner, I posted the other day that I was surprised he wasn’t gettin much love on here, good to see him gettin some now, he bats down H3lla balls like Watt and he’s got some good rush moves and power, he will go in top 5 so won’t beable to trade down if Reggie wants him
January 4th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Can they give me some OC Candidates already Lol I need to do some Speculating.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
They say we’re near the 121 million dollar cap.
-Palmer, DHB & Kelly re-do could save roughly 19.7 million.
-Cutting/re-doing Brisiel, depending on his contract, could save 4 million.
-McClain being cut/re-done could save 3-4 million.
Thats 26.7 million in savings not accounting for the cap hits for cutting/trading.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
DAV.
Joeckel being available to us would open up the trade scenarios, besides the aforementioned deal with the Rams, I think Arizona and San Diego are even more desperate for a Left Tackle, that could make it 3 teams bidding for Joeckel, again if available which is no sure thing.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Bob Marley Says:
Clyde Christensen is Indy’s QB Coach, he would get promoted here, then again Arians may get a HC gig so the OC position in Indy might go to Clyde or maybe he goes with Arians.
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DennisAllensVisor Says:
We would have to get permission to interview him from the Colts.
They have no reason to grant that. No reason to let him leave.
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Crap, you’re right.
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Why? Thought they couldn’t stop him interviewing for a promotion. ‘Cause they’re in the playoffs?
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Only if a coordinator is interviewing for a Head Coach job.
Otherwise it is not considered a promotion.
All coordinators are considered the same position regardless of their title, just a coordinator.
So a QB coach cannot leave for a OC job without permission.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I remember hearing that we could cut Bisiel and not have much if at all any cap hit, if thats the case Im sure he is gone
January 4th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
DAV.
Joeckel being available to us would open up the trade scenarios, besides the aforementioned deal with the Rams, I think Arizona and San Diego are even more desperate for a Left Tackle, that could make it 3 teams bidding for Joeckel, again if available which is no sure thing.
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Agreed..
Although it might be hard to work with the Chargers.
I think the Rams are more desperate for one than the Cards.. They actually have a QB to protect.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
I remember hearing that we could cut Bisiel and not have much if at all any cap hit, if thats the case Im sure he is gone
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Which would leave holes at RG & RT.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
634.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:05 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:01 am
DAV….you gimme that dline im proposing then im not worried abour my cbs as much
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W/ The players you wanted..
DE- Desmond Bryant
NT- Terrence Knighton
DE- Matt Shaughnessy/Lamar Houston
OLB- Damontre Moore
ILB- Rolando McClain
ILB- Miles Burris
OLB- Phillip Wheeler/Daryl Tapp
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Houston and Bryant can play 3-4 DE’s without any problem IMO.
Need to add an OLB pass rusher like Moore or Werner or Jones or Jordan.
Who is the best one out of that group?
I don’t see McClain coming back though.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Thanx, DAV.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
San Diego specially needs a Left Tackle in the worst way, they can’t count on Jared Gaither and they happen to have a QB to protect, unlike Arizona.
And San Diego has good players at several positions, their horible OL killed them the last 2 years, they can sacrifice some draft picks in order to secure a blind-side protector for Rivers.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
DAV.
LOL…Rams and Chargers it is.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Moore
Jordan
Werner
Jones
Thats my order..
After the combine people will rank them like this IMO:
Jones
Moore
Jordan
Werner
Thats why a trade back where you still get Jordan would bring the most value IMO
January 4th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
1089.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Hope everyone watches the Cotton Bowl tonight… Make sure to pay attention to Damontre Moore and Sean Porter
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Yep! I’m on it.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I’m gonna get my first look at Damontre Moore tonight, anyone else I should focus on?.
January 4th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Which would leave holes at RG & RT.
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Bregstrom? Nix? This staff kept Nix on 53 all year fro reason, heck Barnes even stepped his game up after he got his legs back under him, but yeah we could upgrade at alot of spots, not goin to happen in 1 season though
January 4th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
1093.morilla Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Found this floating around the interwebs
http://i48.tinypic.com/mtxtas.png
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LAME!!
January 4th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Go OU Sooners!!
January 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
This draft talk is………..don’t you amateur GM’s need to know who the OC & Oline coach’s are going to be, what kind of scheme they’re going to run????
January 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I’m gonna get my first look at Damontre Moore tonight, anyone else I should focus on?.
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Luke Joeckel
Stephen Jenkins
Tony Jefferson
Aaron Colvin
January 4th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Sean Porter
January 4th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Id probably take the bpa.. it sounds like it might be ot qb or mlb.. id rather have a de but.. this is what happens.. we just haad to get those 2 extra wins.. they were so important… yea 4-12..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
San Diego specially needs a Left Tackle in the worst way, they can’t count on Jared Gaither and they happen to have a QB to protect, unlike Arizona.
And San Diego has good players at several positions, their horible OL killed them the last 2 years, they can sacrifice some draft picks in order to secure a blind-side protector for Rivers.
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Yeah it would be best case if Reggie wants to trade down if Joeckel falls to us at #3, there would be more then a few teams wanting to move up and get him
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
This draft talk is………..don’t you amateur GM’s need to know who the OC & Oline coach’s are going to be, what kind of scheme they’re going to run????
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There is nothing amatuer about my GM skills.
And none of the scenarios I have given are scheme specific.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Well, Joeckel of course but where do those other play DAV?.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
so this is what I think is happening…
With so many HC jobs open, potential OC candidates are waiting out to see what jobs will be available where.
I bet Raiders have had a hard time getting interviews…
January 4th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
BREAKING NEWS
JON GRUDEN TO INTERVIEW FOR CHARGERS HC JOB
http://www.chargertom.com/
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
This draft talk is………..don’t you amateur GM’s need to know who the OC & Oline coach’s are going to be, what kind of scheme they’re going to run????
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To talk about pass rushers and the top OTs? Naw don’t need to know that
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
so this is what I think is happening…
With so many HC jobs open, potential OC candidates are waiting out to see what jobs will be available where.
I bet Raiders have had a hard time getting interviews…
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LOL.. Ive said this the last 2 days..
But I dont expect you to read thru all the posts.. carry on..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Didnt know who the DC was gonna be when I mocked Mile Burris in the 4th to us…Heyy that worked out lol….
January 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Krappy Rat must’ve just fallen out of the treehouse in his backyard
Old Troll’s been napping the day away again, gonna be nice when KrappyWife brings home some eatins’ from Arby’s for supper
Now if the old goat can only figure out how to get them darn trousers off his head
January 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
To talk about pass rushers and the top OTs? Naw don’t need to know that
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Really, you don’t need to know if were playing a ZBS or Power when assessing College Olinemen?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Why is everyone hating on Pryor he got the job done his completion pct didn’t accurately show how well he threw the ball all in all he put up points and executed in the redzone and should have a.chance to be a starter
January 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
To talk about pass rushers and the top OTs? Naw don’t need to know that
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Really, you don’t need to know if were playing a ZBS or Power when assessing College Olinemen?
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Joeckel has been projected to play in either scheme..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Not really, I don’t want to take a OT early but the top few can play in any scheme I would imagine
January 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Looking at video of NT/DT Kwann Short of Purdue.
Not bad. He would be a good 4th round choice possibly, if McK does not take Star and if they don’t sign a DT FA.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Joeckel has been projected to play in either scheme..
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Really, by who? what did he play in College?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Trade every pick in the draft for Ray Lewis
I don’t care if the dude can’t play anymore, let him do his “come out of the tunnel pump up dance” and give the pre game pep talk
We’ll be 13-0 next December
WRECKS N EFFECT N FULL EFFECT
SHOUT OUT TO THE PMPP
January 4th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
“Luke Joeckel may be their best prospect in quite some time, and is a very athletic tackle who will be a dynamite fit in a zone-blocking scheme”
January 4th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Jake Matthews is regarded as one of the best RT ABS prospects in a long time too.
He’s staying at A&M though.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
ZBS*
January 4th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Joeckel has been projected to play in either scheme..
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Really, by who? what did he play in College?
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Krappy, do your homies down at the barbershop still clown you behind your back?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I’m glad Damontre Moore will go vs another LT prospect in Oklahoma’s Lane Johnson, just read he’s a mid-round prospect so far because he only switched to LT last year, but as a former TE he’s supposed to have some intriguing athletic skills and might see his stock jump after the game and workouts.
I saw Florida State vs Northern Illinois and Bjoern Werner did not stand out much vs very weak competition, but I have to say NIU’s offense did not present him with many opportunities to showcase his talents.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Alabama also runs some ZBS sets..
Most colleges run both from what i’ve googled..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
I sure hope the North has two long snappers going to the Senior Bowl.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
LOL.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
mumbles awake yet?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Later.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Nice talk DAV, Guest123 and everyone else who managed to avoid the trolls and usual agenda-driven crap.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Why should Veldehere have to move to RT. The kid played well this year especially in a wack transition year with KNAPP.
He would have been further along by now if he was just left in the power scheme. He handles the pass rushers and run game well this year.
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A rookie LT can move to RT. Thats what Oher did for Balt until their LT retired.
I am hoping we pick Joeckel or trade down.
Defense can be horrendous for another year as long as we fix the offense. Its quicker and easier (not as many needs) and CP isn’t getting any younger.
All we need is 3 linemen and a FA #1 WR.
I think Cork said the insider buzz is o-line first.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Nice talk DAV, Guest123 and everyone else who managed to avoid the trolls and usual agenda-driven crap.
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G’day sir..
God Bless.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
But I dont expect you to read thru all the posts.. carry on..
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Yeah. I love getting chastised for having missed something in the last 3,000 posts.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Why should Veldehere have to move to RT. The kid played well this year especially in a wack transition year with KNAPP.
He would have been further along by now if he was just left in the power scheme. He handles the pass rushers and run game well this year.
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A rookie LT can move to RT. Thats what Oher did for Balt until their LT retired.
I am hoping we pick Joeckel or trade down.
Defense can be horrendous for another year as long as we fix the offense. Its quicker and easier (not as many needs) and CP isn’t getting any younger.
All we need is 3 linemen and a FA #1 WR.
I think Cork said the insider buzz is o-line first.
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WR – Greg Jennings
WR – Jordan Shipley
LT/RT – Luke Joeckel [TAMU]
TE – Joseph Fauria [UCLA]
Would be a homerun this off-season…
January 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
But I dont expect you to read thru all the posts.. carry on..
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Yeah. I love getting chastised for having missed something in the last 3,000 posts.
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LOL.. Thats always funny.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Washington’s rankings last year was similar to ours this year. They made the playoffs by fixing their offense. The defense actually got a little worse statistically.
6 of their first 7 picks were on offense.
Thats almost exactly what Indy did too.. and they made the playoffs too.
Quickest way to the playoffs is OFFENSE.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
QB Palmer
RB McFadden
FB Reece
WR Jennings
WR Streater
WR Moore
TE Myers/Fauria
LT Jared Veldheer
LG Tony Bergstrom
C Stefan Wiz
RG Mike Brisiel
RT Luke Joeckel
January 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
so this is what I think is happening…
With so many HC jobs open, potential OC candidates are waiting out to see what jobs will be available where.
I bet Raiders have had a hard time getting interviews…
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LOL.. Ive said this the last 2 days..
But I dont expect you to read thru all the posts.. carry on..
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Then why say it?
You’re gonna hurt your arm with that patting yourself on the back.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
WR – Greg Jennings
WR – Jordan Shipley
LT/RT – Luke Joeckel [TAMU]
TE – Joseph Fauria [UCLA]
Would be a homerun this off-season…
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WE AGREE!
wowsers
January 4th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
QB Palmer
RB McFadden
FB Reece
WR Jennings
WR Streater/Moore
SLOT WR Shipley
TE Myers/Fauria
LT Jared Veldheer
LG Tony Bergstrom
C Stefan Wiz
RG Mike Brisiel
RT Luke Joeckel
January 4th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
1137.Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I’m glad Damontre Moore will go vs another LT prospect in Oklahoma’s Lane Johnson, just read he’s a mid-round prospect so far because he only switched to LT last year, but as a former TE he’s supposed to have some intriguing athletic skills and might see his stock jump after the game and workouts.
I saw Florida State vs Northern Illinois and Bjoern Werner did not stand out much vs very weak competition, but I have to say NIU’s offense did not present him with many opportunities to showcase his talents.
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I saw the same. I would haev liked to see Werner stand up more and or play down as a RDE.
NIU’s Lynch was getting rid of the ball quickly, so Werner didnt have many chances.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
joemostler Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Why is everyone hating on Pryor he got the job done his completion pct didn’t accurately show how well he threw the ball all in all he put up points and executed in the redzone and should have a.chance to be a starter
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Just how many names have you got Mistic?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Not feelin as bad about keeping D A anymore I understand now… We’re keeping the clown (DA) for clowney. Suck for luck, keep the clown for clowney. Arians in sd, reid in kc, fox and manning in denver…. Yea, keeping DA puts us in play for clowney next year.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
This draft talk is………..don’t you amateur GM’s need to know who the OC & Oline coach’s are going to be, what kind of scheme they’re going to run????
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LOL.
Swabby hits them with the obvious.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
@DennisAllensVisor
So where does Finley, (GB, TE) come into play in your scenarios?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
@DennisAllensVisor
So where does Finley, (GB, TE) come into play in your scenarios?
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An option if Myers isnt re-signed.
Maybe even an option regardless.
His price went down this season, just depends if he realizes it.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
None of my mocks have included any offensive players that would be affected by a OC/OL scheme.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
joemostler Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Why is everyone hating on Pryor he got the job done his completion pct didn’t accurately show how well he threw the ball all in all he put up points and executed in the redzone and should have a.chance to be a starter
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Just how many names have you got Mistic?
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that isnt me. I dont cross post, no need i dont have problem being myself, im right so often in here lol
are you upset because someone other than me is advocating for pryor?
lol
January 4th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
The worse thing that can happen for us is Greg Jennings have a phenominal post-season..
Would drive him out of our range.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Why draft the best LT in the draft and throw him on the right side…. Doesnt make sense
January 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Washington’s rankings last year was similar to ours this year. They made the playoffs by fixing their offense. The defense actually got a little worse statistically.
6 of their first 7 picks were on offense.
Thats almost exactly what Indy did too.. and they made the playoffs too.
Quickest way to the playoffs is OFFENSE
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The raiders defense hasn’t ben this bad since 1961, we have a defense HC, we fired our OC because Reggie and staff believe we have a better offense than what was put on the field (which is common sense if you go back and watch the last 2 years) so the way they goin to address the offense is get a real OC back in here and probably pick up a couple FAs.
This draft is and should be Defense in mind, get some fkin difference players on defense, this is a good draft for defense, for offense? Not so much
January 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
that isnt me. I dont cross post, no need i dont have problem being myself, im right so often in here lol
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Yeah right, and yet you were right there to come back.
Hey, at least you’re consistent.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
*difference makers
January 4th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Why draft the best LT in the draft and throw him on the right side…. Doesnt make sense
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Its not unheard of.
Lots of teams do it.
Switch em over once theyre seasoned..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
903.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Was this you Mistic or did you get hacked?
Because I thought you wanted an open competition with Palmer and Pryor, then you wanted to trade Palmer, making Pryor the starter? Now you want to keep Palmer?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Veldheer is fine,
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Exactly correct! Why do people want to keep moving Veldheer?
January 4th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
If Joeckel is the stud prospect that he’s made out to be, he will be the LT and Veldheer would move..
January 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
that isnt me. I dont cross post, no need i dont have problem being myself, im right so often in here lol
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Yeah right, and yet you were right there to come back.
Hey, at least you’re consistent.
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sorry to disappoint you but i just checked the thread and saw your post
I only use one handle only one since i joined
face it there are other raider fans that like pryor better than palmer
January 4th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Its been so hard for us to find a RT, it almost make TOO much sense to put Veldheer there.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
903.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I dont think ANYONE has said that pryor is the starter starting next season.
However i do expect him to step in at some point next year when palmer flops.
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Was this you Mistic or did you get hacked?
Because I thought you wanted an open competition with Palmer and Pryor, then you wanted to trade Palmer, making Pryor the starter? Now you want to keep Palmer?
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I would love to get rid of that slug palmer
I am awrae that his contract would make it most difficult, so i have resigned to the idea that he will be here again next year.
However the minute he falters and flops, pryor will be ready to step in
January 4th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
When Lincoln Kennedy is the last good RT you have had, its time to make a drastic move.
January 4th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
I don’t get it either. A Junior LT, and move him to the Right.
It will take him a year to learn that, if he ever does.
How many times have the Raiders drafted “can’t miss LT’s and moved them to RT where he missed?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
T-Minus 20 minutes til the weekend…
January 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
My mock rounds 1-4:
1. Jarvis jones ( we need a pass rusher fits that and is regarded as the best in the draft, we need a linebacker he fits that, has been compared to clay matthews and von miller reggie and da type guys) Not saying he should be drafted by raiders but if I had to pick a player who i thought would be on the raiders radar id say jj
2.No pick (traded to bengals)
3. Kyle long ( fiils need at tackle, has good genes)
4. Tyran matthieu (fills need at cb and punt returner, has a high motor and is a boar hunter “honey badger”)
January 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
all i want to know now is who will run the offense
peace
January 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
that isnt me. I dont cross post, no need i dont have problem being myself, im right so often in here lol
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Yeah right, and yet you were right there to come back.
Hey, at least you’re consistent.
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sorry to disappoint you but i just checked the thread and saw your post
I only use one handle only one since i joined
face it there are other raider fans that like pryor better than palmer
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Yes, we know Mistic.
The only problem with this team is Palmer and all we have to do to fix it is play Pryor or some other equally black quarterback.
I have no clue why all of America is so obsessed by race.
Here’s my take:
Prior has positives and negatives. No way should he be the starter.
If he proves that he can play and he’s a Raider then I’m all for him.
If he can’t play or if he’s not a Raider then he can get fuk’n lost.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I know its crazy but if we had 2 number 1 picks this year i would use them both on OL/ DL . .. or both on OL
Interior and RT.
Remember when SF had two number 1 picks and singletary/ GM took Anthony Davis and IAUPITI. Now they run on whoever they want really more often then not.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Why would anyone in their Right MIND be trying to FIND another LTackle when the position is already filled!
Jared Veldheer is a mainstay there and will be for the rest of his CAREER!
Find a RT in the 3rd round of the draft or free agency and get some Guards that can freakin create run holes for MCFADDEN!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Re-watching the Pryor game. Raider waaaaay more dangerous with him in.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
If the Raiders keep Carson Palmer, we’ll never have a winning season. There were at least 5 games that he threw a terrible interception when they were driving to win the game! Also time to go back to the power blocking scheme and add a veteran tackle, because they can’t run with the zone.
lastly, besides a wide receiver, a middle linebacker and veteran corners, Dennis Allen needs to show some emotion, and stop looking like a deer in the headlights.
Reggie should have fired Greg Knapp 5 games in. speaking of Reggie, why wasn’t he more vocal when it was obvious that the team was going down the toilet.
I am one pissed off raider for life!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Werner for the First pick done!
best RT/G for the Third Done!
Build the lines!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Bills – Ken Wisenhunt
Browns – Chip Kelly
Chargers – Bruce Arians
Chiefs – Andy Reid
Cardinals – Lovie Smith
Eagles – Doug Marrone
Bears – Mike McCoy
Book it.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Not one false start, not one delay of game.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
What’s up with the top 2 high school QBs school choices?
#1Hackenberg-Penn State
#2 Browne- USC
January 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Offensively, I dont think it would take much to get this team to be productive.
#1, promote Al Saunders to OC. He held the title in 2011, though Hue called plays. He’s one of the best coordinators in football, know the personnel well, and could help scout the types of players that fit HIS offense in the Senior Bowl. It would also open things up for a return of Bob Wylie at O-line coach, to go with Saunders offense.
We already have a vet QB, who we all saw put up 4000 yards with a horrible OC and NO running game. No issue there.
Veldheer and Wiz are both very solid O-line players. Use our 3rd on a player like Travis Frederick from Wisconsin. Huge lineman, moved to Center this season and played well, but also plays guard, where he may go back to in the NFL. Move Wiz back to LG, where he and Veldheer had beautiful communication and were great together at the end of 2011.
Sign Free agent Center Todd McClure from ATL. Move our 3rd rounder from last season, Bergstrom, over to RT. If he cant hold it down there, we can find a replacement in next years draft, 1st 2 rounds. But to have LT, LG, C, and RG settled would be a great start, and I think these moves would do that.
This season, Al Saunders worked heavily with the TE’s. And it resulted in Brandon Myers having his career best season. Id like to see Saunders do the same with Ausberry in his offense. As a pass catching TE, Ausberry is a matchup nightmare waiting to happen. Unfortunately, Knapp didnt like to use 2 TE sets. Myers and Ausberry together can keep defenses off balance.
WR, Move DHB to the slot. Hes not an X, hes not a Y. Hes not going to change the way he catches with his body, and hes not going to start fighting for balls in the air all of the sudden. get him in space on short passes, let him do the rest with YAC. Hes a very difficult man for most DBs to bring down. Just get the ball in his hands. Streater with a full offseason should improve, and Moore and Ford are both good depth. Id bring in Ramses Barden from the Giants as a cheap, FA WR, whos a big target. He got lost on the NYG WR depth chart, but he has very good hands, good size, and would be a nice 3rd down WR.
Draft WR Josh Boyce from TCU in the 5th. Strong body, gets good separation, good speed and hands. Will be available in later rounds.
Reece is another matchup nightmare that Im convinced would also have a great season in Saunders system.
Thats an improved Oakland offense in 2013, with only having to dedicate a 3rd and 5th, leaving the rest of the picks to defense, where we need the most help. Obviously, some of these moves could be replaced with other transactions, just wanted to give a quick example of how it shouldnt be too tough for us to get back to improvement on offense next season, so long as we make the right moves.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
jameyt777 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
If the Raiders keep Carson Palmer, we’ll never have a winning season. There were at least 5 games that he threw a terrible interception when they were driving to win the game! Also time to go back to the power blocking scheme and add a veteran tackle, because they can’t run with the zone.
lastly, besides a wide receiver, a middle linebacker and veteran corners, Dennis Allen needs to show some emotion, and stop looking like a deer in the headlights.
Reggie should have fired Greg Knapp 5 games in. speaking of Reggie, why wasn’t he more vocal when it was obvious that the team was going down the toilet.
I am one pissed off raider for life!
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PALMER threw those costly INT’s because the DEFENSE KNEW the RAIDERS could not RUN the DAMN BALL which made the raiders one dimentional!
There fore your play d for the pass.
this year the Raiders! offense ran about 40% of the time! PASS PASS PASS
January 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Draft Moore or joeckel or trade down. Moore is young and still on the rise he led his team SEC in sacks and thats no easy feat also led his team in tackles and TFL and he’s only what,22? Draft that kid and we wont have to worry about pass rush for a long time. If jags take him ahead of us then take the big LT and move him to RT and we are set there as well for years to come.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
that isnt me. I dont cross post, no need i dont have problem being myself, im right so often in here lol
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Yeah right, and yet you were right there to come back.
Hey, at least you’re consistent.
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sorry to disappoint you but i just checked the thread and saw your post
I only use one handle only one since i joined
face it there are other raider fans that like pryor better than palmer
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Yes, we know Mistic.
The only problem with this team is Palmer and all we have to do to fix it is play Pryor or some other equally black quarterback.
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I have never said that but the fact that you cant help but divide players according to race paints your entire history of post on this board.
This makes you sound like a racist, and as such your opinion isnt worth reading
move on
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Chip Kelly to Browns huh
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
PALMER threw those costly INT’s because the DEFENSE KNEW the RAIDERS could not RUN the DAMN BALL which made the raiders one dimentional!
There fore your play d for the pass.
this year the Raiders! offense ran about 40% of the time! PASS PASS PASS
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And, Palmer can’t do anything with his legs.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
It’s actually very difficult to switch from LT to RT … Yes some teams do it and smetimes it does work but most of the time it doesnt….A linemens most important feature is his feet and its difficult to retrain your footwork when you spend years mastering it on the other side… I mention this because of actual experience. I played Line for 10years through pop warner to high school to Jr. College to Semi-Pro and now coach line in the North Bay. I’m no Pro Head Coach but I’ve seen people struggle and would hate to see Veldheer or Joekcel have to go through it.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
PALMER threw those costly INT’s because the DEFENSE KNEW the RAIDERS could not RUN the DAMN BALL which made the raiders one dimentional!
There fore your play d for the pass.
this year the Raiders! offense ran about 40% of the time! PASS PASS PASS
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And, Palmer can’t do anything with his legs.
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I fthis Team had a freakin better running game
Palmer would of lit up the score board!
IE the Pittsburgh GAME!
Mcfadden ran over 100 yards!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
You’re gonna hurt your arm with that patting yourself on the back.
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Lol, England. Gotta love the egos in here.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
I have never said that but the fact that you cant help but divide players according to race paints your entire history of post on this board.
This makes you sound like a racist, and as such your opinion isnt worth reading
move on
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Baloney. You are full of something that comes out of my colon.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
You’re gonna hurt your arm with that patting yourself on the back.
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Lol, England. Gotta love the egos in here.
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Check.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
It’s actually very difficult to switch from LT to RT … Yes some teams do it and smetimes it does work but most of the time it doesnt….A linemens most important feature is his feet and its difficult to retrain your footwork when you spend years mastering it on the other side… I mention this because of actual experience. I played Line for 10years through pop warner to high school to Jr. College to Semi-Pro and now coach line in the North Bay. I’m no Pro Head Coach but I’ve seen people struggle and would hate to see Veldheer or Joekcel have to go through it.
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Yeah its just like NASCAR drivers who drive around in circles mostly turning to one side.
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DRAFT A RIGHT TACKLE THAT HAS ACTUALLY PLAYED THE POSITION FOR A COUPLE YEARS IN COLLEGE.
YOU CAN GET A SOLID ROAD GRATER IN THE THIRD ROUND!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Look at that nice back door throw.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
We have better RB depth than most teams in the league. McFadden, Goodson, Stewart, Reece, Jones. I’ll take that. Lets just get someone who knows what to do with them.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
how nany people in here are actually from cali?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Chip Kelly to Browns huh
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It sucks that the Cleveland Browns have a better head coach than us now, but Im glad Chip is out of the Pac-12.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
LOL. Herm Edwards ices the the high school kicker 2x in the Under Armour All America game.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
^the stutter
January 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Actually alot teams draft a LT early and start them at RT until he is ready to make switch (alot of times they never get there) if we do draft a LT he will be starting at RT because we have a good LT already. I also believe if for some reason we decide to go OT instead of a much needed difference maker on defense, Reggie will trade down and pick one up later in round 1 and hopefully he could still get that needed playmaker in the 2nd or else go vice versa, don’t see us spending #3 on a player thats goin to start at RT for awhile
January 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
If Palmer “flops” then Pryor is in.
That’s fine, and I know I keep harping on it, but if/when Pryor gets in he’s going to need GOOD RECEIVERS TO CATCH THE DAMN BALL.
Maybe i’m the only one getting so psycho about this but recievers dropped FOUR CATCHABLE BALLS w/ Pryor last Sunday…
You can keep doing that crap and expect to win.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
1163.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Why draft the best LT in the draft and throw him on the right side…. Doesnt make sense
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You don’t, you move Vehldeer to RT.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Just a question?
Isn’t the left tackle on a college team traditionally the best offensive lineman?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
You don’t, you move Vehldeer to RT.
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That rook LT is goin to have his hands full tryin to beat out Vehldeer you better believe that
January 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
This Jake Long stuff….I know he was injured, but the Phins are really considering letting him go?
Man, from your franchise’s best play to kicked to the curb in less than one season?
I just don’t believe it will happen.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
1163.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Why draft the best LT in the draft and throw him on the right side…. Doesnt make sense
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You don’t, you move Vehldeer to RT.
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Are you making alchohol out of all those potatoes up there again?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Actually alot teams draft a LT early and start them at RT until he is ready to make switch (alot of times they never get there) if we do draft a LT he will be starting at RT because we have a good LT already. I also believe if for some reason we decide to go OT instead of a much needed difference maker on defense, Reggie will trade down and pick one up later in round 1 and hopefully he could still get that needed playmaker in the 2nd or else go vice versa, don’t see us spending #3 on a player thats goin to start at RT for awhile
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Exactly, it happens. It really comes down to the player and whos running the line.
Good example, Michael Oher was drafted by BALT. A LT in everyones mind, clearly. But since they had Gaither at the time, they started Oher at RT, then eventually moved him to LT.
CIN drafted Andre Smith #6 as LT. Hes now one of the best RTs in the league. They drafted Andrew Whitworth and started him at LG, and now hes a dominant LT. Now they are set at LT AND RT.
Good O-line players can move around the line. Smart coaches know where to put which players to get the most production.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Maybe the 1st half of the Raiders game when Shaugnessy was beating Long of the ball has something to do with it lol
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
The Playaction Pass is so crucial to PALMER’s success throwing the ball!
You need a good running game to compliment his strengths.
Trust me PALMER will light up the score board if the Raiders could get there Running game back on track!
JUST LOOK AT THE THURSDAY NIGHT Chargers game when BUSH ran all over them. in 2011.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Pryor will be the next Vince Evans. Lifelong backup, who will occasionally come in and make some good plays and get the fans all excited. But when given the opportunity to start 3 or 4 games in a row, it becomes very apparent that he is nothing more than a backup QB.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
If I recall it correctly, Gallery seemed to play pretty well his rookie season as a RT, then they moved him to LT where he was a fail, and then instead of moving him back to RT, they made him a guard.
WTF?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
This Jake Long stuff….I know he was injured, but the Phins are really considering letting him go?
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Too much money for an injured guy whose production is not up to par. We have one of those on our roster as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
If I recall it correctly, Gallery seemed to play pretty well his rookie season as a RT, then they moved him to LT where he was a fail, and then instead of moving him back to RT, they made him a guard.
WTF?
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Slater, Eatman, and Shell DESTROYED Gallerys development. As awesome as these guys were on the line, I always wondered how they fumbled the O-line here so bad when they came.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
CIN drafted Andre Smith #6 as LT. Hes now one of the best RTs in the league.
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Who in here wanted Smith in 2009? Brien and me….wanted a road grader RT….he has been injured quite a bit though.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Just a question?
Isn’t the left tackle on a college team traditionally the best offensive lineman?
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Yup. Just like in the Pro Game.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Mo Collins
Matt Stinchcomb
Robert Gallery
January 4th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
how nany people in here are actually from cali?
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Born and raised in Nor-Cal. Moved out to the 303 in 2005. Had season tickets from 99-2004.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/g-m-dominoes-could-start-falling-soon/
I really wanted Tom Gamble here.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
CIN drafted Andre Smith #6 as LT. Hes now one of the best RTs in the league.
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Who in here wanted Smith in 2009? Brien and me….wanted a road grader RT….he has been injured quite a bit though.
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Count me in that class as well. I thought Andre Smith was going to be an absolutely SOLID pro Olineman. His first two or three years were rough but he has finally developed into one of the best Right Tackles in the game.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Re-watching the Pryor game. Raider waaaaay more dangerous with him in.
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Sad, sad Old Troll
Watching an old, meaningless game at 3 on a Friday
Pretty much sums it up, huh bros
January 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
303Raider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
how nany people in here are actually from cali?
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Lived in San Jose since 1986. Live in Manteca now.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
This Jake Long stuff….I know he was injured, but the Phins are really considering letting him go?
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Too much money for an injured guy whose production is not up to par. We have one of those on our roster as well.
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I hadn’t seen that.
They may let Long go?
Another Long as a Raider?
What would Al do?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Live in The East Bay, Work in the South Bay and Coach in the North Bay
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
So are you telling me you want to draft the top LT and move him to the right side as a project for 2-3 years?????
January 4th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Will the Raiders be ZBS next year, is the question.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
This team needs to Draft the player that plays its position! These coaches couldnt teach these guys how to play another position!
LOOK HOW IT WORKED OUT FOR MCCLAIN
A 3-4 ILB WHO WAS FORCED TO PLAY MLB IN A 4-3 SYSTEM!
What a WASTE
January 4th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Why draft the best LT in the draft and throw him on the right side…. Doesnt make sense
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Thats what Balt. did with Oher. Do you think they are complaining now? This is an offensive league now, protect the edges at all costs… we need an actual blocking TE to replace Myers too. And I wouldn’t mind using our third pick for a true center.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Will the Raiders be ZBS next year, is the question.
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If Mcfadden is still on the Raiders roster for the 2013 season im pretty sure they will put a scheme in place where he will flourish!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!!
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The moron line coach that Knapp brought in is fired.
Both of our line coaches from two years ago are not coaching right now, IIRC. Cork mentioned that Uncle Wiz might come back now that the idiot got fired. He wouldn’t elaborate.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
It’s not impossible to switch but it would be a mistake with the Top 3 Pick. Oher was a 23rd Pick in the 1st round who still had alot of work to do.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Wiz left with Family Issues….
January 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!!
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Cork mentioned that Uncle Wiz might come back now that the idiot got fired. He wouldn’t elaborate.
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Would be huge. Wylie and Wiz would be good for this lines development. I really dont know if we even know how good or bad Bergstrom is yet. Pollack didnt do him any favors. Would like to see what a year with Wylie and Wiz would do for him.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
how nany people in here are actually from cali?
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I live in the East Bay. Born and raised in the Bay Area.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
It’s going to be Interesting to see what he does with Trent Richardson.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/report-chip-kelly-close-to-deal-to-coach-browns/
January 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
It’s not impossible to switch but it would be a mistake with the Top 3 Pick. Oher was a 23rd Pick in the 1st round who still had alot of work to do.
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Wouldnt do it myself, personally, as Id rather go Defense with this draft. But I certainly wouldnt be mad if we ended up with Joeckel. Only difference, Id probably be more inclined to move Veldheer to RT, where we would have kept him if Mario Henderson panned out at LT. Lets not forget, Veldheer is one of our most versatile linemen. He also played Center for us for a while. Joeckel, Wiz, and Veldheer for the next 10 years? Again, not my pick, but I sure as hell wouldnt be mad with it.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Would they bring Wylie & Wiz back, and force them down DA’s throat?
January 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
I think Damontre Moore would be huge for the raiders and could anchor the line the D-Line for years.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Would they bring Wylie & Wiz back, and force them down DA’s throat?
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Try typing that question into your Googlie machine and see what it tells you
Sad old Troll
January 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!!
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Cork mentioned that Uncle Wiz might come back now that the idiot got fired. He wouldn’t elaborate.
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Would be huge. Wylie and Wiz would be good for this lines development. I really dont know if we even know how good or bad Bergstrom is yet. Pollack didnt do him any favors. Would like to see what a year with Wylie and Wiz would do for him.
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I know that Big WIZ left the coaching staff before the beginning of the season cause he NEW this blocking scheme was a joke! It did not fit the current roster of linemen the RAIDERS had.
OHH AND SPECULATING THAT WYLIE IS COMMING BACK NEXT SEASON IS NO LOCK!
January 4th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Just a question?
Isn’t the left tackle on a college team traditionally the best offensive lineman?
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Yup. Just like in the Pro Game.
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Most of the RT’s in college are pretty worthless. It means they couldn’t even beat out the guy on the other side.
Nobody drafts RT’s to play RT in the pros… please people.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Would they bring Wylie & Wiz back, and force them down DA’s throat?
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They SHOULD, considering his own choices for coaches last season were probably the worst that he could have possibly made. But honestly, no, it doesnt sound realistic. Just stating what I believe would be a major help. Would be nice.
January 4th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Gdog Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
YOU GUYS GONNA TRUST ANYONE FROM THIS COACHING STAFF TO DRAFT A LT AND MOVE HIM TO RT AND EXPECT HIM TO SUCCEED! LMFAO!
They couldn’t teach a fly where to lay its EGGS!!
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Cork mentioned that Uncle Wiz might come back now that the idiot got fired. He wouldn’t elaborate.
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Would be huge. Wylie and Wiz would be good for this lines development. I really dont know if we even know how good or bad Bergstrom is yet. Pollack didnt do him any favors. Would like to see what a year with Wylie and Wiz would do for him.
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I know that Big WIZ left the coaching staff before the beginning of the season cause he NEW this blocking scheme was a joke! It did not fit the current roster of linemen the RAIDERS had.
OHH AND SPECULATING THAT WYLIE IS COMMING BACK NEXT SEASON IS NO LOCK!
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Yes, I agree, no lock at all. For all I know, Dennis has NO interest at all in making that happen. Was just stating who my choice would be, and who I think they should have kept to begin with.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
good to read cali posts sometimes the out of state posters have a wierd impression of the raiders….
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Joekel is an excellent pro prosepct. If anyone wishes to see him in action, that will start in about an hour and twenty minutes and you all can see for yourself. Problem with drafting Joekel is Veldheer is one of the few things that works. Why eff with that? Chip Kelly going to the Browns by the way.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Most of the RT’s in college are pretty worthless. It means they couldn’t even beat out the guy on the other side.
Nobody drafts RT’s to play RT in the pros… please people.
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THIS TEAM NEEDS A DEFENSIVE PLAYER THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT IMMEDIATELY!
AND ONE OF THOSE TOP pass rushers IS AN absolute necessity!
PEYTON MANNING is in the freaking division people!
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
chip kelly puts an emphasis on speed wish we had gotten him instead of da…
January 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Cork mentioned that Uncle Wiz might come back now that the idiot got fired. He wouldn’t elaborate.
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Would be huge. Wylie and Wiz would be good for this lines development. I really dont know if we even know how good or bad Bergstrom is yet. Pollack didnt do him any favors. Would like to see what a year with Wylie and Wiz would do for him.
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I know that Big WIZ left the coaching staff before the beginning of the season cause he NEW this blocking scheme was a joke! It did not fit the current roster of linemen the RAIDERS had.
OHH AND SPECULATING THAT WYLIE IS COMMING BACK NEXT SEASON IS NO LOCK!
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The only information I found on Wylie right now is he is doing some developing for the Madden franchise.
Reading between the lines, Wiz HATED Pollack… lets just pretend last years nightmare of Knapp/Pollack didn’t happen and go back with Wylie/Wiz and Saunders as OC.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Most of the RT’s in college are pretty worthless. It means they couldn’t even beat out the guy on the other side.
Nobody drafts RT’s to play RT in the pros… please people.
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THIS TEAM NEEDS A DEFENSIVE PLAYER THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT IMMEDIATELY!
AND ONE OF THOSE TOP pass rushers IS AN absolute necessity!
PEYTON MANNING is in the freaking division people!
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He’s also the best in the NFL at beating the blitz/pressure.
You beat Manning with POINTS. Not defense. Its been that way for a decade now.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Most of the RT’s in college are pretty worthless. It means they couldn’t even beat out the guy on the other side.
Nobody drafts RT’s to play RT in the pros… please people.
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THIS TEAM NEEDS A DEFENSIVE PLAYER THAT WILL MAKE AN IMPACT IMMEDIATELY!
AND ONE OF THOSE TOP pass rushers IS AN absolute necessity!
PEYTON MANNING is in the freaking division people!
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I am of the mindset that a pass rusher is absolutely what we need here. But seeing Von Miller at least twice a year for the next 10 years puts Right Tackle up there as well…..
January 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I like Saunders but he hasnt called Plays in awhile. I’d like to see him paired with someone a little younger and alil more innovative.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
I know that Big WIZ left the coaching staff before the beginning of the season cause he NEW this blocking scheme was a joke! It did not fit the current roster of linemen the RAIDERS had.
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True that.
But he also had a problem with Pollack.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
chip kelly puts an emphasis on speed wish we had gotten him instead of da…
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A lot of college guys just cannot adapt to the Pro game. It will be interesting to see if Kelly can.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Reading between the lines, Wiz HATED Pollack… lets just pretend last years nightmare of Knapp/Pollack didn’t happen and go back with Wylie/Wiz and Saunders as OC.
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This is exactly why DA should of been CANNED!
ALL the IDIOT had to do WAS FIX the DAMN! DEFENSE!
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SO why does the DC (LEBEAU) for the STEELERs still the DC? Even with a new Coach he still is the DC!
Because hes good!
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
I think Kelly leaving we’ll backfire on him…
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Joekel is an excellent pro prosepct. If anyone wishes to see him in action, that will start in about an hour and twenty minutes and you all can see for yourself. Problem with drafting Joekel is Veldheer is one of the few things that works. Why eff with that?
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PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw. He might be an all-pro at RT, who knows… although I’d REALLY like to see Veldheer and Wiz back together again.
If Joekel beats Veldheer out as LT… how could this be a BAD thing?
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
good to read cali posts sometimes the out of state posters have a wierd impression of the raiders….
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This jackazz is talking about you Dakota.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
chip kelly puts an emphasis on speed wish we had gotten him instead of da…
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Imagine Dmac, Reece, Jones, DHB, Moore, Pryor, Ford, Ausberry in Chip Kellys offense. WOW. It would take a while before defenses would figure out what to do with all that speed. Goodness.
Oh, well. Dennis has a 5 year plan for us.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I like Saunders but he hasnt called Plays in awhile. I’d like to see him paired with someone a little younger and alil more innovative.
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Thats fine, just let Saunders be the master-mind. That offense two years ago with McF was play-off quality. Lets not pretend otherwise.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Things I would say to say to Raiders in person:
1) Reggie McKenzie–”Exactly how much does the salary cap hinder you?”
2) Dennis Allen–”Exactly what offensive scheme will best fit our players?”
3) Carson Palmer–”Did you know that Peyton Manning has not thrown an interception when behind in the Fourth Quarter THIS WHOLE YEAR?”
4)Darren McFadden–”I would ask for your autograph but I’m afraid your would hurt your wrist”
5)Richard Seymore–”Must be nice to have an Al Davis pension plan the last half of the season eh?”
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I stil kind of want to see what Sanders can do.
He’s 65 but so what, Coughling is years older.
Sanders has some kind of a playbook.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
1265…exactly…
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
*Coughlin
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
I think Kelly leaving we’ll backfire on him…
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Leaving Oregon and all of Phil Knights Nike money for Cleveland, of all places? Something to think about. Will be interesting to see how their first draft goes.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
If Joekel beats Veldheer out as LT… how could this be a BAD thing?
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I am a big Luke Joekel guy so he is welcome here as far as I am concerned.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
good to read cali posts sometimes the out of state posters have a wierd impression of the raiders….
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This jackazz is talking about you Dakota.
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Lol
January 4th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I stil kind of want to see what Sanders can do.
He’s 65 but so what, Coughling is years older.
Sanders has some kind of a playbook.
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On top of that, Saunders isnt your average 65 year old. He stays in shape with the best of them, loves football, is a phenomenal teacher, no matter what title they give him, his unit makes strides.
My question, Saunders already being OC in 2011 while Hue called plays, him having knowledge of the personnel, and him already being available for them to take into the Senior Bowl, all of these things said, WHO would be a BETTER option than Al Saunders right now for OC?
January 4th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
I think Damontre Moore would be huge for the raiders and could anchor the line the D-Line for years.
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Dude is a beast; do you think he could transition from OLB to Defensive End in the pros?
January 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
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Veldheer is okay at LT….but having a stud at LT, and then moving JV to RT would improve two positions in one move (in theory….I can’t imagine JV would be as bad as Barnes)…..and then getting a center and moving Wiz back to LG would fix two more positions…..then let the best man win between Carlisle and Briesel to play RG.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Things I would say to say to Raiders in person:
3) Carson Palmer–”Did you know that Peyton Manning has not thrown an interception when behind in the Fourth Quarter THIS WHOLE YEAR?”
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LOL!!! Hey.. that’s not fair!!! I think the Raiders were behind in the fourth quarter 14 out of the 16 games they played. How many was Denver behind?
January 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:24 am
WHO ARE THE RAIDERS TALKING TO RUN THE OFFENSE???????
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Someone who can turn Pryor into a WR.
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excellent post. LOL. u get it.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I stil kind of want to see what Sanders can do.
He’s 65 but so what, Coughling is years older.
Sanders has some kind of a playbook.
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On top of that, Saunders isnt your average 65 year old. He stays in shape with the best of them, loves football, is a phenomenal teacher, no matter what title they give him, his unit makes strides.
My question, Saunders already being OC in 2011 while Hue called plays, him having knowledge of the personnel, and him already being available for them to take into the Senior Bowl, all of these things said, WHO would be a BETTER option than Al Saunders right now for OC?
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He does seem logical Booty but logic and the Raiders don’t always get along.
Sanders not only has a big play book but he’s been with these players the last couple of years so he knows the players.
What was his job last year?
He worked with the tight ends. How did they do?
Myers had a career year.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
So Andy Reid is now officially the head coach of the Chiefs.. It keeps getting better and better for the Raiders.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
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Veldheer is okay at LT….but having a stud at LT, and then moving JV to RT would improve two positions in one move
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What is wrong with you Dakota?! Lay off the potatoes.
As Swabby pointed out, it can take a year to learn RT.
Veldheer is great at LT. If it aint broke don’t fix it.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
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I think you are onto something there. QB’s are better prepared to enter and start in this league from day one and the shelf life for expectation is rather quick and descent is fast too. Oh, there will always be some Tom Brady and Peyton Manning types, but athletic running QB is a model that will cycle thru and churn up healthy bodies on the way to short term goals. Coaches and GM’s know their life expectancy is shorter than ever, so they will gamble on upside or follow the old script and be fired in year three.
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Wow, Mistics ideas are gaining traction in here?
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it’s like when people are held hostage for weeks and they come out asking that people understand their captors’ a little later, they snap out of it and realize they were a little nuts from the situation.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
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I saw a tweet at end of season that had him ranked 13th
January 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Post 1276
Plays in a 4-3 rite now needs to add some weight to play 4-3 in the NFL.
Switched from a 3-4 last year to a 4-3 this year and had an amazing year. Heres a Scouting report on him. But dont forget to watch for yourself tonight.
http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/12/damontre-moore-scouting-report/
January 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Another Player to watch is Landry Jones who’ll be playing in the Senior Bowl… Not my favorite QB but he’s still a top 6 qb
January 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
the doctor’s prescription for football health?
RELEASE:
dhb (unless he restructures for #3wr money)
kelly (too much money, decreasing production)
tollefson
huff (just a guy/making too much)
allow to leave thru FA:
carlisle
barnes
lechler
shaughnessy
leinart
mitchell
seymour
gaither
RE-SIGN:
bryant
myers
wheeler
carter
goodson
hanson
GET in FA:
#1 WR
RT
MLB
TRADE:
moore for a 4th
dmc for jones-dre or mendenhall, or picks
START:
bergstrom or nix at LG
streater at #2 wr
bryant/bilukidi at DT
adams at CB
ross at FS
DRAFT:
trade down to about 9 or 10 to pick up early 2nd rounder
get milliner to play CB
eifert in 2nd round
vray in 3rd round
January 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
bray
January 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Gdog Says:
Reading between the lines, Wiz HATED Pollack… lets just pretend last years nightmare of Knapp/Pollack didn’t happen and go back with Wylie/Wiz and Saunders as OC.
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Sounds nice, but going back to what you already had and didn’t see fit to use would be admitting an epic failure. It might take a big man to admit when he’s wrong, but in the NFL it probably takes an unemployed one. Or seriously demoted. (See Hue)
January 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/04/report-chip-kelly-close-to-deal-to-coach-browns/
Chip close to the Browns coaching job….no more retreads, i guess.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Maybe Tyler Bray would’ve been better off staying for senior year.
http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2013-nfl-draft-is-aaron-murray-better-than-tyler-bray.html
January 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
DMAC to Browns for picks…
January 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Dont know if Aaron Murray has declared yet…
“What cannot be overlooked in Aaron Murray’s player bio is his ability to step in as a redshirt freshman, take ownership and leadership of a new team, and earn the respect of his teammates with on-field play, toughness, and work ethic. Shattering Georgia freshman passing records, Aaron Murray completed over 60% of his passes, throwing 24 touchdowns to just 8 interceptions. As a true freshman Murray managed an efficient and productive offense, scoring more than 24 points in all but three games, including 6 games of 41 points or more.
Continuing his development as a leader and a passer in 2011, Murray broke yet another Georgia passing record with 35 touchdown tosses. More importantly, after two tough losses against Boise State and South Carolina to start the season (games lost by an average of 8.5 points), Murray handled the adversity exceptionally well, winning 10 consecutive games, 7 of which were SEC opponents, over the course of a 3 month stretch. Murray’s play elevated Georgia to its first SEC East championship and SEC title game appearance since 2007.
Even more important than instant productivity however are his physical tools, polished footwork, high football IQ, and consistent throwing mechanics. With the arm talent to make all the throws, Murray is able to drive the deep out, file the ball down the deep seam, and drop in bucket passes outside the numbers. Accurate with back shoulder throws at medium and long distances, Murray reads the leverage of opposing corners and does an excellent job with ball placement to allow the receiver to shield the defender. He’s decisive and on target with his ball placement on short to intermediate routes as well, showcasing plus feel and confidence in the 3-step passing game.
Murray’s best traits, as a prospect, are his footwork and ability to extend the play. From setup to delivery, he stays sharp and active with his feet, displaying plus foot speed, balance in his drops, and an instinctive ability to avoid sacks. Whether it’s stepping up in a clean pocket, sliding laterally to avoid interior pressure, or reverse pivoting outside the pocket to avoid the sack, Murray has an innate ability to create sight lines for himself, adjust to a collapsing pocket, and extend the play.”
January 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
DMAC to Browns for picks…
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if they use Thaddeus Lewis in that read option with DMAC, Chip Kelly may have some toys (provided they sign Cribbs, too)
January 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
dmc sucks now. he was outperformed by 3 backs on his own team, and no good back relies on system only to run, otherwise, they’re not any good.
injuries have caught up to him. jones-drew and mendenhall are on the outs with their teams and a straight trade might interest them.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Tyler Bray is a trash qb… The Love Child of Jeff George and Ryan Leaf
January 4th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Tyler Bray = Andrew Walter
January 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
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Veldheer is okay at LT….but having a stud at LT, and then moving JV to RT would improve two positions in one move (in theory….I can’t imagine JV would be as bad as Barnes)…..and then getting a center and moving Wiz back to LG would fix two more positions…..then let the best man win between Carlisle and Briesel to play RG.
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Our DTs are Bilukidi and TK
Our Pass rushers are Houston & Tollefson
Our CB is Chekwa
Yeah…… Lets upgrade the LT and C positions
Dumbest team and fans in America.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Monte Kiffin being rumored to be the DC in KC
January 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
PFF had Veldheer ranked around 15 at LT last I saw.
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I think they had him rated much higher by the end. I think… In the middle of the season he had a couple of rough games. But then again the entire team had some rough games.
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Veldheer is okay at LT….but having a stud at LT, and then moving JV to RT would improve two positions in one move (in theory….I can’t imagine JV would be as bad as Barnes)…..and then getting a center and moving Wiz back to LG would fix two more positions…..then let the best man win between Carlisle and Briesel to play RG.
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Our DTs are Bilukidi and TK
Our Pass rushers are Houston & Tollefson
Our CB is Chekwa
Yeah…… Lets upgrade the LT and C positions
Dumbest team and fans in America.
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And has the most hater fan base in AMERICA
Wouldnt have it any other way.
January 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Time for some new wave quarterbacking!!
Little Johnny may not start on Sundays but he can whup OU today
lets hope he puts on a big show
Landry too!!
January 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Monte Kiffin being rumored to be the DC in KC
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Cover 2 in KC … so the 3-4 may be out
January 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Game time for future Raider Damontre Moore, the guy is going to be a beast
January 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Im out for a lil bit…Make sure to watch Damontre Moore
January 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Tyler cannot lift my boys jock
Andrew would have ruled if not for the B & B
January 4th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
trade this cut that draft this….lmao…nothing changing with DA and reggie…5-11 next year…
January 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Johnny kneelt to pray and the director cut away real quick.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Blowing for Clowney 2013
January 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
cwolfman Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
So Andy Reid is now officially the head coach of the Chiefs.. It keeps getting better and better for the Raiders.
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How in the world do you figure that man?
Andy Reid has been in a bad place all year because of the death of son, but people move out of bad places.
You take a team with some talent on it like KC and you give them a premier coach like Reid to manage them and that means trouble for the Raiders.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
dmc sucks now. he was outperformed by 3 backs on his own team, and no good back relies on system only to run, otherwise, they’re not any good.
injuries have caught up to him. jones-drew and mendenhall are on the outs with their teams and a straight trade might interest them.
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Dmac will be a lot better next season under knapps scheme. Not everybody caught on this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Who would like to see Johnny Football starting for the Oakland Raiders?
January 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
DRAFT:
trade down to about 9 or 10 to pick up early 2nd rounder
get milliner to play CB
eifert in 2nd round
vray in 3rd round
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Horrible, don’t quit your day job doc. You goin to pass up all these pass rushers? Milliner at #3? We need a playmaking pass rusher 1st and foremost PERIOD, The fkin Raiders defense hasn’t ben this bad since 19fkin61,
January 4th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
bad defense= coaching but a def playmaker will help
January 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
We don’t even have a 2nd, but maybe you talkin trade down for Milliner, then you takin offense with the next 2 picks? FK
January 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Reggie and staff have already made it clear that they think this offense under performed because of an inept OC, they expected alot more because of the tape they watched on our players from the past 2 years. New OC and a couple FA offensive players we will be good there. Defense needs most work, haven’t ben good for years on D, this draft should be mostly all D
January 4th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
I hope everybody watches the cotton bowl to see what the cutting edge in football looks like.
Both teams will be running an offense i would love to see pryor running
peace
January 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Sounds like more camp trash. This team is headed to the bottom of the AFC West again. Especially with the Queeefs signing Andy Reid and most likely taking Johnny Manziel in the 2013 draft.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Reggie and staff have already made it clear that they think this offense under performed because of an inept OC, they expected alot more because of the tape they watched on our players from the past 2 years.
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Makes you wonder what they were looking at. Who thought Palmer could be a rollout QB, Didnt they see the offense last year? That wasn’t no ZBS.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Born and raised in Oakland. Lived across the freeway from Oakland HS, then moved up the hill to Skyline above Montclair.
Reggie Jackson’s tailor was my next door neighbor up there. His son was one of my best friends. True story.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
I didn’t even read that first part doc about trade down to 9-10 to get Milliner cause I couldn’t believe that ish I was seein all I saw was red but we need a difference maker on D not some CB that underperformed this year and didn’t look like the same from year before
January 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Born and raised in Oakland.
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Is this supposed to make you some kind of expert? LOL
January 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Johnny is not in the 2013 draft
Let him take geno. Reid blows and KC wqill alwsy blow
January 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
1321.redshirt Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Born and raised in Oakland.
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Is this supposed to make you some kind of expert? LOL
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Uh, no. Just answering a previous question by another poster.
Who are you again?
January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
A&M’s Offensive Line is phenomenal.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Jake Matthews has really good technique.
I’m not an expert, though. lol
January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Johnny has a bigger arm then I thought he did. He is a much better passer then TP
January 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Uh, no. Just answering a previous question by another poster.
Who are you again?
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Lol.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Who would like to see Johnny Football starting for the Oakland Raiders?
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JFF is awesome, but I wouldn’t mind taking a flyer on Landry Jones in the mid round of this draft.
He is a New Mexican as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
So far D Moore has not looked like an elite, elite guy.
That FB flattened him on one block.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
A&M tackles look great because the other team is scared to rush their ends. They are so worried about containment they kind of just move upfield and stop. Makes there tackles look great.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Kenny Stills would be our best WR tomorrow.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Plunketthead Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Johnny has a bigger arm then I thought he did. He is a much better passer then TP
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Johnny and Landry Jones are both slinging it pretty nicely right now.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
What’s the difference between the Raiders coached by Dennis Allen and your wife?
After a couple of years the Raiders will still suck.
Reggie for the love of God fire DA to save yourself.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Co-sign 1330.
All 5 lineman can’t be that good, looks like guys are just trying to make him throw from the pocket.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Raiders should trade down. THEY NEED PLAYERS.. not just a “Player”
Also who is OC for Texas AM?? DA has alot of ties to that football program.. not only did he play for them but he belongs to some prestigious Football Alumni club down there.
I wouldnt be suprised if he scoops up next OC from college ranks.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Hard to rush the passer with this crazy pace. Landry is getting rid of the rock quick.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
1335 we need stars, thin line between trading back to far unless someone knocks are socks off. We have holes but we need difference makers. Take Star.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
I’m an OU fan since early years (my mom’s family is from there, so no choice, really) and have watched Landry Jones play a lot. Really encouraged by his growth as a player. The diference between this year and last year is considerable; he’s always had great stats but up until this year he was not overly accurate and certainly wasn’t as decisive as he is now.
He looks composed and comfortable out there, and in charge of the situation. Took him longer than it would have taken a lot of guys to get to this point. I’m happy for him, because he’s obviously put in the work.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Stills’ ability to go up and snatch it, is amazing.
And people say he is a 2nd or 3rd round pick?
He is clearly one of the 2 or 3 most polished WR’s in college.
January 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
1335 we need stars, thin line between trading back to far unless someone knocks are socks off. We have holes but we need difference makers. Take Star.
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Picking Top 5 doesnt guarentee any stars. Star wanting to quit football a few years ago.. I see him just taking hte money and running. U need football players who love football.
This team needs players. OL, CB, Pass rusher, not just one so called Premire player.
Where is glen dorsey? , Tyson jackson, Marcel dareus? etc.
U can find starts from 10-20
January 4th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Edward Teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
I’m an OU fan since early years (my mom’s family is from there, so no choice, really) and have watched Landry Jones play a lot. Really encouraged by his growth as a player. The diference between this year and last year is considerable; he’s always had great stats but up until this year he was not overly accurate and certainly wasn’t as decisive as he is now.
He looks composed and comfortable out there, and in charge of the situation. Took him longer than it would have taken a lot of guys to get to this point. I’m happy for him, because he’s obviously put in the work.
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Thats what you want to see though, constant progression. He has so much zip on his passes, a real quick release. He reminds me of a mini Ryan Mallett. He could be good in the right system. His decision making has gotten better every season, as you said, as opposed to someone like Matt Barkley, who has not changed much from the Freshman with the big arm that would try to force every throw. I like Jones.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
1335.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Raiders should trade down. THEY NEED PLAYERS.. not just a “Player”
Also who is OC for Texas AM?? DA has alot of ties to that football program.. not only did he play for them but he belongs to some prestigious Football Alumni club down there.
I wouldnt be suprised if he scoops up next OC from college ranks.
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I think I heard early in the game that their OC left to go somewhere else, and another guy is taking his place for this game. Charles Davis (I think) said that Sumlin would be heavily involved in playcalling tonight, which makes sense. He was co-OC with Heupel under Stoops at OU before getting the A&M job.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
A & M’s OC was Kliff Kingsbury, old Texas Tech QB, who is going to go coach the Red Raiders
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
They have Moore dropping back in coverage and he’s been double teamed on several plays. He’s had 2 very disruptive plays but at this pace the whole Aggie Defense is getting tired.. He needs to play better though…
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Stills’ ability to go up and snatch it, is amazing.
And people say he is a 2nd or 3rd round pick?
He is clearly one of the 2 or 3 most polished WR’s in college.
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I like Stills. Give him one more year. He’ll be one of the 1st WRs taken in 2014.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Manziel may be better throwing the ball but raiders still dont have him.
Pryor is about 5 inches taller, 25 pounds heavier and more powerful, elusive, and faster then him.
Everybody gets that PRYOR STIFF ARM.. Work with pryor and let see what he can become..
January 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Star was only going to quit because his grades made him play at a JC. Here you though draft is a crap shoot. Guy looks great, like a young Nagata.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Moore seems to be a 3rd down edge rusher. Werner is a base DE edge rusher. It depends what you want.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
They have Moore dropping back in coverage and he’s been double teamed on several plays. He’s had 2 very disruptive plays but at this pace the whole Aggie Defense is getting tired.. He needs to play better though…
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Agree. This is what I see. Theyre just moving too fast. Good game plan by OU staff.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
1343.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
A & M’s OC was Kliff Kingsbury, old Texas Tech QB, who is going to go coach the Red Raiders
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Thanks, JFB.
On another note; is anyone surprised that Manziel won the Heisman? What a player.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
At #3, you ought to be able to get some guy that just flashes off the screen.
Took me about 6 plays before I even figured out who D Moore was and what number he wears. Took another half dozen plays before he even did anything impressive.
Pass.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
DMAC to Browns for picks…
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I hope that’s a joke.
They just spent their first round pick on T. Richardson last year, and seem to be pretty crowded at RB already.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Getting rid of the ball to fast for any pass rush. Likes how he kick inside. Versatile pass rusher.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Hellsbells Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Star was only going to quit because his grades made him play at a JC. Here you though draft is a crap shoot. Guy looks great, like a young Nagata.
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Thats who I want us to pick. Guy gets double and triple teamed all season. Still disruptive. SC makes the stupid decision not to double him, thinking Khaled Holmes can hold him. He ripped him to shreds.
Ive seen people here run with the propaganda that Star is “a big fat 2 down NT”. Thats not the case. Very athletic, can be used all over the line, just like Ngata. And I like what he would bring to the rest of the D. Put him with Bryant, Houston, and Shaugnessy. Nasty. Draft a long, fast, athletic DE in the 3rd or 4th, like Devin Taylor, or even sign a vet FA DE like Osi, and all of the sudden, we have the makings of a monster defense. I like Moore, but dont think hes once in a lifetime pass rusher, like a Clowney.
Moore will be good. But Star, with our defense, will be a whole new dynamic.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Kennedy looked like DHB on that pass. Fighting it instead of relaxing and catching it. Clank.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Luckey break hold have been TD. We will probaly draft that wide out, he will fit right in. Clank
January 4th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Should
January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Raiders should trade down. THEY NEED PLAYERS.. not just a “Player”
Also who is OC for Texas AM?? DA has alot of ties to that football program.. not only did he play for them but he belongs to some prestigious Football Alumni club down there.
I wouldnt be suprised if he scoops up next OC from college ranks.
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Did’t DA bring there D-Line coach over? Williams? If so he should know Moore pretty good
January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
That was bad. You gotta make those plays. Especially with everyone watching.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Shows how weak this draft is.
Guys considered to potentially go #3, takes you 15 minutes to figur out who they are and where they play.
Charles Woodson was the 4th pick in the draft for us, and it took all of about 20 seconds for him to flash.
Trading down and getting any type of value is going to be a challenge for any team.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Raiders should trade down. THEY NEED PLAYERS.. not just a “Player”
Also who is OC for Texas AM?? DA has alot of ties to that football program.. not only did he play for them but he belongs to some prestigious Football Alumni club down there.
I wouldnt be suprised if he scoops up next OC from college ranks.
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Did’t DA bring there D-Line coach over? Williams? If so he should know Moore pretty good
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A&M has been much better since Williams left and they replaced him with Terry Price. The players have thrived under him. Moore included.
Williams was another bad hire. Miss the days of Mike Waufle.
Cant even watch a college bowl game without being reminded of bad Raiders coaching hires.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Trade down take OL or MLB Te’o get a 2nd round pick and go.
Star will be gone by 3 watch. Matt mayock has him going number 1
January 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Waufle was great for us. We had great pressure. Here Jacksonville is in love with Teo. Hope they take him.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Steve COrkan just said on twitter Raiders are trading down
January 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
At #3, you ought to be able to get some guy that just flashes off the screen.
Took me about 6 plays before I even figured out who D Moore was and what number he wears. Took another half dozen plays before he even did anything impressive.
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Boy! tough crowd…….you would miss out on 90% of great players with this kind of demands……….lol
January 4th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Shows how weak this draft is.
Guys considered to potentially go #3, takes you 15 minutes to figur out who they are and where they play.
Charles Woodson was the 4th pick in the draft for us, and it took all of about 20 seconds for him to flash.
Trading down and getting any type of value is going to be a challenge for any team.
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I dont agree that its a weak draft, and I do think Moore is a good player and that he can succeed in the NFL, but I do agree that he wouldnt be the right pick for us at 3. We have better options that we can use with the pick.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
1360.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Shows how weak this draft is.
Guys considered to potentially go #3, takes you 15 minutes to figur out who they are and where they play.
Charles Woodson was the 4th pick in the draft for us, and it took all of about 20 seconds for him to flash.
Trading down and getting any type of value is going to be a challenge for any team.
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Haven’t watched Joekel yet, but Matthews is a really really good player. Terrific fundamentals. Nephew (?) of Bruce, so the bloodline’s good.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Corky said in chats word around the facility is that the raiders will trade down no matter or what.. or try like crazy to get more picks.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
D Moore made that happen after his tackle for loss, next play interception, game changer baby
January 4th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
guest123 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Maybe we will be entering the phase of football where the qb is like the running backs plugged into a system– short shelf life for short term gains.
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I think you are onto something there. QB’s are better prepared to enter and start in this league from day one and the shelf life for expectation is rather quick and descent is fast too. Oh, there will always be some Tom Brady and Peyton Manning types, but athletic running QB is a model that will cycle thru and churn up healthy bodies on the way to short term goals. Coaches and GM’s know their life expectancy is shorter than ever, so they will gamble on upside or follow the old script and be fired in year three.
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Don’t see that happening. QBs are the face of the team, as all of leaders, spokesman and even as the guys with the majority of the endorsement money. More than maybe any position, they also draw ticket sales even as the road team. Casual fans will pay to see Peyton Manning play in Oakland, but they won’t to see Von Miller or Brandon Stokley.
The league is behooved to develop and maintain those with star power and not have them be short term, disposable pieces. The rules have been evolving more and more in favor of keeping the valued QBs upright and playing game in and game out. The league also favors the beautifully executed pass plays and nobody does it better than the pure pocket passers. They can already get the running highlights from running backs.
That means more and more rules and fines to prevent them from getting hit in the pocket, which will make that the place to stay if you want a long and productive career. Disposable system QBs will be used as highlight film makers too — as the recipients of brutal hits!
January 4th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Damontre Moore is a beast, led all SEC linemen in tackles, and sacks, Oklahoma is getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds every play
January 4th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Yeah maybe we can draft a bunch of third rounders.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Shows how weak this draft is.
Guys considered to potentially go #3, takes you 15 minutes to figur out who they are and where they play.
Charles Woodson was the 4th pick in the draft for us, and it took all of about 20 seconds for him to flash.
Trading down and getting any type of value is going to be a challenge for any team.
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They don’t even run a play in 20 seconds….
January 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
This is how I see it playing out in April…
If McKenzie gets a phone call from a team offering something that blows him out of the water for the No. 3 overall pick, Reggie is going to take that deal.
Raiders have a bevy of needs and if McKenzie gets a deal he feels he cannot pass up, it’s highly likely the Raiders move out of the No. 3 spot.
Still, if McKenzie doesn’t get a deal he likes, Raiders are likely to sit at No. 3 and take best player available.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Manziel> Pryor…and Palmer….
In other news…Clowney> D.Moore….way!
January 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Marquette King @MarquetteKing
The Oakland Raiders are going to Super Bowl XLVIII #ReadIt #SeeIt #BelieveIt #Faith
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
LOL at Marquette King predicting the Raiders are going to the Super Bowl next year.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
One thing i like about D Moore is he never takes plays off
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
I remember the days when Al Davis and his scouts unearthed some diamonds in the late, late rounds (Grady Jackson, Rod Coleman, Greg Biekert — to name a few).
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Jockel & Matthews = REAL DEAL!
January 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Damontre Moore is a beast, led all SEC linemen in tackles, and sacks, Oklahoma is getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds every play
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He is a very good player. I agree, its foolish to reduce a players body of work to one game, especially one where OU has a game plan specifically to neutralize him. That in itself should say something. Think hes gonna be good at the next level. Just dont think he should be the pick for us.
At the end of the day, another player I wouldnt be mad to have though. Still feel like whichever direction they go, its gonna be real hard to mess up the pick. Theres no way we leave the first round without a good player.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Damontre Moore is a beast, led all SEC linemen in tackles, and sacks, Oklahoma is getting rid of the ball in less than 2 seconds every play
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How many sacks?
January 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Manziel will be able to take hits like that in NFL.. reminds me a bit of Colt mccoy only colt doesnt run around as much
January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I take it back Pryor weights 35 more pounds then manziel.
Damn Manziel is listed at 200 pounds. So he really is about 6ft 195
January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Most great players make about 4-6 impact plays in a game if the play defense. Unless they’re a RB he can make more of an impact. But a defensive player who makes 3-5 impact plays in a game is a potential HOF’r. The rest is just doing your job. After all the other guy usually cna play too.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Manziel WONT be able to take hits like that i mean
January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
With Reid going to KC, look for some QB’s like Glennon and Aaron Murray getting rumored to go #1.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
but much like Pryor he has charisma/leadership.
Something the Raiders have been lacking till last week
January 4th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
1386 agreed. He will be killed.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Jockel & Matthews = REAL DEAL!
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Matthews is going in the top 12. Believe it. Hopefully not to SD.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Cork Is about as reliable at predictions as the MAYANS!!!
January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
When L.Jones isn’t throwing picks, he’s drooping dimes all over the field…..
January 4th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Manziel will be able to take hits like that in NFL.. reminds me a bit of Colt mccoy only colt doesnt run around as much
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I was gonna say Colt Brennan.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
LJones is throwing better on the run in this game, something he hadn’t shown before.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
D’Moore got through 3 blocks on that play
January 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
LJones is throwing better on the run in this game, something he hadn’t shown before.
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Agreed. He never showed much mobility. He may be increasing his draft stock just a bit.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
I was gonna say Colt Brennan.
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Nice comparison except colt was bigger. Also REGGIE/ n Co. still havent drafted a qb.. It would be interesting to see who they would draft when the time comes .. if not this year but next.
They are gonna want to a qb to compete with pryor too or if palmer comes back. I wouldnt be mad at the landry jones pick even though he has his moments
January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
D’Moore got through 3 blocks on that play
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Beast-I like D.Moore more than Werner.Seems like Werner lacks the motor or takes a play off.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Landry jones looks solid.
DMOORE is playing good.. but he doesnt have that ELITE BURST like Von miller or Aldon smith.. thats to bad tho
January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
1390.John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Jockel & Matthews = REAL DEAL!
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Matthews is going in the top 12. Believe it. Hopefully not to SD.
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Matthews is staying in school, I think. Probably wants to play LT next year, where he will be more valuable come draft time.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Saints signed Jay Richardson.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I take it back Pryor weights 35 more pounds then manziel.
Damn Manziel is listed at 200 pounds. So he really is about 6ft 195
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He’s officially 6′1″. Probably not going to get any taller. But he could put on more weight.
Does Manziel throw ducks, though? That would be the real difference.
We got two more years to even think about this kid being in the NFL.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
I was gonna say Colt Brennan.
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Nice comparison except colt was bigger. Also REGGIE/ n Co. still havent drafted a qb.. It would be interesting to see who they would draft when the time comes .. if not this year but next.
They are gonna want to a qb to compete with pryor too or if palmer comes back. I wouldnt be mad at the landry jones pick even though he has his moments
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True. We still dont know what kind of QB Reggie “likes”. Will be interesting.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Well if D’moore isn’t a game changer than who is? Oklahoma’s whole plan is to neutralize him , that’s how much respect they have for him
January 4th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
1390.John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Jockel & Matthews = REAL DEAL!
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Matthews is going in the top 12. Believe it. Hopefully not to SD.
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Matthews is staying in school, I think. Probably wants to play LT next year, where he will be more valuable come draft time.
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Heard he’s yet to decide…maybe after the game….either one is a stud for years….
January 4th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Cork Is about as reliable at predictions as the MAYANS!!!
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Lol. I agree.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Cork Is about as reliable at predictions as the MAYANS!!!
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LOL!! Very True
January 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Nice talking I’m out. Drat Star, makes everyone a better player.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
DMOORE is solid.. i just said he doesnt have that elite burst that wish was there at the number 3 spot.
I’d trade down and pick Dion Jordan if u really want that pure speed rusher. Again I dont know what Reggie is thinking this team needs 1st. wish we did
January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
The Playaction Pass is so crucial to PALMER’s success throwing the ball!
You need a good running game to compliment his strengths.
Trust me PALMER will light up the score board if the Raiders could get there Running game back on track!
JUST LOOK AT THE THURSDAY NIGHT Chargers game when BUSH ran all over them. in 2011.
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Palmer worries me in the redzone. How bout Palmer gets us down there and Pryor brings it home?
No?
January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Hellsbells Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Nice talking I’m out. Drat Star, makes everyone a better player.
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Agreed.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Johnny Manziel=Doug Flutie-Give me Teddy Bridgewater
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ok i jsut read DMOORe is being help with a sore ankle and he is playing on it.
Wow that might be why he is playing without hte burst but still playing SOLID
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
EA needs to lose the glasses. With that nose of hers she looks like Groucho Marx. Sort of.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
The Playaction Pass is so crucial to PALMER’s success throwing the ball!
You need a good running game to compliment his strengths.
Trust me PALMER will light up the score board if the Raiders could get there Running game back on track!
JUST LOOK AT THE THURSDAY NIGHT Chargers game when BUSH ran all over them. in 2011.
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Palmer worries me in the redzone. How bout Palmer gets us down there and Pryor brings it home?
No?
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This can definitely work.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ok i jsut read DMOORe is being help with a sore ankle and he is playing on it.
Wow that might be why he is playing without hte burst but still playing SOLID
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DMAC should read that article
January 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Shows how weak this draft is.
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That’s why coaching the Senior Bowl could possibly be a real advantage in this draft. No real standouts like RG3 or Luck this year. Any extra time with potential draftees could really work out to the Raiders’ (and Lions’) advantage.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
1413.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ok i jsut read DMOORe is being help with a sore ankle and he is playing on it.
Wow that might be why he is playing without hte burst but still playing SOLID
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If it keeps him from running the wrong route half the time, I’m all for it.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
devilr8er Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Johnny Manziel=Doug Flutie-Give me Teddy Bridgewater
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Doug Flutie was listed at 5′10 but was really 5′9.
Manziel at 6′1 is probably 5′11.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
1413.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ok i jsut read DMOORe is being help with a sore ankle and he is playing on it.
Wow that might be why he is playing without hte burst but still playing SOLID
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If it keeps him from running the wrong route half the time, I’m all for it.
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See how fun being 4-12 and having a 1st rounder can be?
Better than 8-8 in the grand scheme.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
John David Booty Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Suspect J Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
The Playaction Pass is so crucial to PALMER’s success throwing the ball!
You need a good running game to compliment his strengths.
Trust me PALMER will light up the score board if the Raiders could get there Running game back on track!
JUST LOOK AT THE THURSDAY NIGHT Chargers game when BUSH ran all over them. in 2011.
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Palmer worries me in the redzone. How bout Palmer gets us down there and Pryor brings it home?
No?
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This can definitely work.
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Wish they’d have given it a shot a long time ago.
January 4th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
How is my boy Joeckel looking tonight?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
EA needs to lose the glasses. With that nose of hers she looks like Groucho Marx. Sort of.
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Looks like Eric Dickerson!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
devilr8er Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Johnny Manziel=Doug Flutie-Give me Teddy Bridgewater
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Exactly what I thought on that running overthrow!!
Can I get an AMEN on Erin Andrews
I’m gonna draft her
January 4th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
The glassses work for me yo!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
If Erin was black she would be hotter LOL!
Sorry could not help myself
January 4th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Im talking Damontre Moore is playing on a sore ankle.. the TEXAS AM pass rusher
January 4th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Wonder if Johnny Football would fit in knapps scheme. Knapps scheme is like snap the, good luck.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
That will be the debate next year and maybe after. Who would you draft Bridgewater or Manziel?
I love the fight in Manziel but Teddy has such a gorgeous throwing arm. The kid can make every throw he’s somewhat mobile certainly not close to Johnny Football but it just comes down to personal taste and your offense. Manziel will win a ton of games with leadership and competetiveness. He can throw it more than well enough he adds that escapability. If you wnat to run a conventional offense it’s easy Bridegwater if you want to run zone read MKanziel is the choice. JMHO!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Traditional offense- rather Bridgewater
Zone read- Manziel.
Just depends on the coach…
January 4th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Is Johnny Football part of the new wave of QBs?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Manziel showing off that great touch and accuracy…..he is special to be sure.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RaidRaid Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Is Johnny Football part of the new wave of QBs?
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Not by Mistic’s definition.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Manziel, Hands down he is the poster child for the new wave…..lol He won the Heisman doing it.
You better get one if you don’t have one….
January 4th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Traditional offense- rather Bridgewater
Zone read- Manziel.
Just depends on the coach…
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There is no way Manziel would survive in the zone-read, he is way to small to take that punishment. At 6′ 195 lbs and not haing a “wow” armhe might drop and might not even go in the 1st round. Like I said before Manziel=Doug Flutie.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Devilr8er Says:
There is no way Manziel would survive in the zone-read, he is way to small to take that punishment. At 6′ 195 lbs and not haing a “wow” armhe might drop and might not even go in the 1st round. Like I said before Manziel=Doug Flutie.
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You’re talking about a kid. His balls may not have even dropped yet. Give him some time to grow up.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
1427.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Im talking Damontre Moore is playing on a sore ankle.. the TEXAS AM pass rusher
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Lol, oops.
So does this mean our DMoore will still have his head up his a*s next year?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
You guys need to stop it man. Mistic1 has already mentioned Manziel as a new wave QB as he did Luck.
You cannot stand in the pocket and dominate as easy as you could years ago.
The prototype QB now is 6′3″ 220 very athletic with the ability to play from the pocket. That describes RG3, Pryor is a supersized version of that prototype.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Good morning Nation!!! Go Sooners!!! Time to tighten that Defense!! Who looks good so far?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
The other night was the 1st time I had really had a chance to watch this Teddy Bridgewater guy.
He’ll be playing on Sunday’s.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
You guys need to stop it man. Mistic1 has already mentioned Manziel as a new wave QB as he did Luck.
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Hmmm. I’m too lazy to go back and look, but I don’t recall him being so high on Luck.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Trey Milliard is a Beast, reminds me of Marcel Reece.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
first time poster here hey mystic u r a pos how bad does it hurt u that for all Ur talk about this new black wave of the future qbs crap that Johnny heisman is waaayyy better than all Ur crappy weak black qbs scam newton sucks buddy get over it for all of Ur Carson Palmer hate about his overall recrord how about scams 12 and 20 as a starter according to u he should be garbage but since he’s black he’s the greatest thing since sliced bread what a bunch of bull ps just a FYI only white qbs win super bowls so stick that in Ur pipe and smoke it
January 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Vegas….you fail to notice moore is constantly doubled and he has played DE in a 3 man front most of the night? Go back to drawing up plays for the zbs and wco lmao
Mark me down for monster Moore
January 4th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
1438.Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
You guys need to stop it man. Mistic1 has already mentioned Manziel as a new wave QB as he did Luck.
You cannot stand in the pocket and dominate as easy as you could years ago.
The prototype QB now is 6′3″ 220 very athletic with the ability to play from the pocket. That describes RG3, Pryor is a supersized version of that prototype.
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Depends on your offense. Patriots are a spread team and the do pretty well scoring points. Cassel even did well in that scheme, and he pretty much sucks. Neither he nor Brady is very mobile. Pocket awareness and the ability to move within the pocket to avoid the rush and open passing lanes is a very important skill to have but you don’t have to be Barry Sanders back there to be successful.
I posted about a conversation I saw between Belechik and Jimmy Johnson a little bit ago, where they were talking about how easy it is to throw the ball now with the new contact rules. Johnson said something to that effect and Belechik said, “Yeah. The defenders are so afraid to hit anyone now, you can just sit back and throw it down the field all day.”
You can be successful without a mobile QB, but just as success WITH one is predicated on his ability to throw at a big-league level, so is the ability to throw well by the not-so-elusive player.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Johnny Football. Believe it, or don’t.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You can’t stand in the pocket?Tell that to Brady,Payton,and Eli-you know the QBs that have dominated the SB the last 10 years.The Miss one is a bigot.Sorry to see you,Priest,have fallen in line lockstep.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Com’on dr_r. Mystic is all right. Dude has an opinion just like all of us. That’s the beauty of this blog. Our forefathers Steve and Jer made it this way. It’s all good. Can we draft the entire A&M o line?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Moore is the man….in nfl they not gonna do all what OU is doing to neutralize him with the front 7 I’m proposing….Vegas Raider and his sick zbs and wco love can stick it!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
My bad scam is actually 13 and 19 as a starter owell he still sucks and so does tp
January 4th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Max Redfield going to ND!
never heard of him….but cool!
January 4th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
D.Moore is a beast!! I’d take him…,
January 4th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Views from the cotton bowl
—This Texas A&M OL might be better than the Raiders OL, wow
—Manziel is overrated give me Bridgewater twice on sundays
—If you want Wimbley again there is Moore, good but not elite , give me Werner easy.
—Landry is solid but i prefer Murray, they have about the same value
—Like somebody already said Stills could be the best wr in Oakland tomorrow
—I wouldn’t touch Jefferson until the 5th round
January 4th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
D Moore was there to put pressure
January 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
You see what affect a mobile QB has on a defense it tires them out. Slows dow the rush and opens up throwing lanes. That is why this is the wave of the future actually it’s the “Now Wave” instead because everyone will want one. We have one of the better players of this kind in Pryor. The Raiders finally figured that out and are getting with the program which is great.
QB’s with these NW talents have been around forever but the NFL would not allow them to develope and use them accordingly. It took Tebow to open the eyes and allow them to flourish. Now the competition for QB’s like them are in high demand all because the biult an offense around Tebow’s talent instead of the other way around and they saw how it afffected NFL defenses. Now they are getting players like him just MUCH BETTER than him.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Johnny Football. You can only hope to contain it.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Well butter balls I was just expressing mine and and we can agree to disagree that’s he’s a alright dude
January 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
You can’t stand in the pocket?Tell that to Brady,Payton,and Eli-you know the QBs that have dominated the SB the last 10 years.The Miss one is a bigot.Sorry to see you,Priest,have fallen in line lockstep.
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Lefty12, How do mean? Are you calling me a bigot?
January 4th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Clippers are the new Showtime
January 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
flourish. Now the competition for QB’s like them are in high demand all because the biult an offense around Tebow’s talent instead of the other way around and they saw how it afffected NFL defenses. Now they are getting players like him just MUCH BETTER than him.
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Isn’t mind boggling how an OC would rather insert a scheme instead of building around your QBs strength. No matter what type of QB. Being a NW sure isn’t gonna hurt.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Incidently no one said you can’t stand in the pocket, we’re simple saying it’s better if you can extend plays and have mobility. The more mobile your QB is the better. Mobility is not a negative it’s a positive.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
They don’t like Moistic 1 simply because of his criticism of Palmer………..period
January 4th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
These new mobile qbs won’t last in the NFL for long the bradys,mannings,and drew brees of the world will still be the ones dominating and winning super bowls these running qbs will be just like the wildcat they will be figured out and stopped pure passers r still what wins super bowls priest
January 4th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Roger Staubach,Billy Kilmer,Bobby Douglas,Frankie Albert,Fran Tarkenton,Sammy Baugh,Jim Thorpe,etc-all new wave QBs.That style of QB has been around forever.In very rare instances have they won the whole ball of wax.
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
You see what affect a mobile QB has on a defense it tires them out. Slows dow the rush and opens up throwing lanes. That is why this is the wave of the future actually it’s the “Now Wave” instead because everyone will want one.
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See, this is the issue I have with the whole “Wave of the Future” thing and its fans. It’s ONE approach, not THE approach.
The no-huddle offense also tires out the defense, slowing the rush and opening up passing lanes (and running lanes as well). You don’t need an RGIII or a Cam Newton to run it, you just need a guy with pocket awareness and skills and the ability to read defenses and hit open receivers.
There are teams in both college and the pros that don’t have a mobile QB and still score a lot of points. Until they stop making kids that can stand in and execute but aren’t as mobile as some of the other guys, don’t expect that to change.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Organizations win SB’s NOT QB’s. The best pocket passer in histroy lost to a mobile QB when Montana beat Marino. Mobility is a positive not a negative.
Just because you are mobile doesn’t mean you cannot play as well as Brady from the pocket it just mean you have an added quality Brady does not ie; RG3.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
That center from A&M looks good…is he draft eligible???? If we were able to get him then we could move wiz2 back to LG…
January 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
No priestt I don’t like him cuz he acts like black qbs r god gift to earth. U and mystic r tools again only white qbs win super bowls that’s why I don’t want TP as our qb he is to stupid to ever win a bowl just like jamarcus just like Campbell who is terrible by the way and every other black qb we have had sucks white qbs win super bowls period get over it
January 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The Miss one is either a bigot or Alias- just here to stir the pot.
Priest,when you align yourself with a person who is obviously a bigot,what should we think?You used to talk logical and root for team members.I don’t think you do any longer.As I told my son when he was younger,you will be judged by the people you hang with.You can be a great guy,but if you hang with punks,you will be associated with them.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
You see what affect a mobile QB has on a defense it tires them out. Slows dow the rush and opens up throwing lanes. That is why this is the wave of the future actually it’s the “Now Wave” instead because everyone will want one.
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See, this is the issue I have with the whole “Wave of the Future” thing and its fans. It’s ONE approach, not THE approach.
The no-huddle offense also tires out the defense, slowing the rush and opening up passing lanes (and running lanes as well). You don’t need an RGIII or a Cam Newton to run it, you just need a guy with pocket awareness and skills and the ability to read defenses and hit open receivers.
There are teams in both college and the pros that don’t have a mobile QB and still score a lot of points. Until they stop making kids that can stand in and execute but aren’t as mobile as some of the other guys, don’t expect that to change.
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ET this just shows your limited narrow viewpoint. No one is sying you cannot play extremely well and win from the pocket. Of course you can it’s been happening since the advent of the forward pass.
My contention has always been and still is that QB were viewed as incapable of doing so jsut because they were athletic. It’s ignorant, to assume because someone is atletic they cannot execute any offense from inside or outside the pocket. It just mean they have an option the stationary pocket passer does NOT……….period
January 4th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Lol mistic is most hated man on blog these days
January 4th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Werner takes plays off and comes out on plays… Damontre Moore isnt just the best pass rusher in the draft but also the best D-End against the run…You dont get 21 TFL and 12.5 sacks being a 3rd down pass rusher. The guy also commands double teams when Werner doesnt. the guy had 8o tackles as a D-End.. I’ve watched him chase down a reciever 30 yards for a td saving tackle.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Ian85 Says:
No priestt I don’t like him cuz he acts like black qbs r god gift to earth.
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I thought you were a first time poster. How would you know Mistic’s history on black QBs? You been stalking the blog for months without posting?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Werner takes plays off and comes out on plays… Damontre Moore isnt just the best pass rusher in the draft but also the best D-End against the run…You dont get 21 TFL and 12.5 sacks being a 3rd down pass rusher. The guy also commands double teams when Werner doesnt. the guy had 8o tackles as a D-End.. I’ve watched him chase down a reciever 30 yards for a td saving tackle.
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+1
January 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
The Miss one is either a bigot or Alias- just here to stir the pot.
Priest,when you align yourself with a person who is obviously a bigot,what should we think?You used to talk logical and root for team members.I don’t think you do any longer.As I told my son when he was younger,you will be judged by the people you hang with.You can be a great guy,but if you hang with punks,you will be associated with them.
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ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
No priestt I don’t like him cuz he acts like black qbs r god gift to earth. U and mystic r tools again only white qbs win super bowls that’s why I don’t want TP as our qb he is to stupid to ever win a bowl just like jamarcus just like Campbell who is terrible by the way and every other black qb we have had sucks white qbs win super bowls period get over it
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Lefty12, I could easily say the same about you and this clown. But I read what you say and read what he says and I know the difference.
Now the only thing Mistic1 and I well several things but I don’t view him any worse them I view anyone in here because I know what he means on the other hand you get offended by him. Based on your own viewpoint. Mistic1 is as much a bigot as anyone else in here. AS far as I’m concerned much less. So if that’s how you feel fine by me.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
I’d take a Polka Dot QB with No Legs as long as he gets this Organization winning again…. Dont care what they look like or what style QB they are all I care about is WINNERS
January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I listen to you sing;e out white QB’s and players all the time but when he singles out black Qb’s you all get mad. How is what he is doing any different than what YOU are doing?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
hahaha did you guys see the ref fall on his ass lol
January 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
About month but I’m here now and I’m not going anywhere get used to it
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
M1st1c is an idiot, he comes in here after our D comes in here, and bashes the QB? n priest defends him?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
after our D gave up 55 points
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
If were gonna be on the race subject tonight then answer me this riddle? Has there ever been an Asian QB?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
1470.Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
You see what affect a mobile QB has on a defense it tires them out. Slows dow the rush and opens up throwing lanes. That is why this is the wave of the future actually it’s the “Now Wave” instead because everyone will want one.
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See, this is the issue I have with the whole “Wave of the Future” thing and its fans. It’s ONE approach, not THE approach.
The no-huddle offense also tires out the defense, slowing the rush and opening up passing lanes (and running lanes as well). You don’t need an RGIII or a Cam Newton to run it, you just need a guy with pocket awareness and skills and the ability to read defenses and hit open receivers.
There are teams in both college and the pros that don’t have a mobile QB and still score a lot of points. Until they stop making kids that can stand in and execute but aren’t as mobile as some of the other guys, don’t expect that to change.
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ET this just shows your limited narrow viewpoint. No one is sying you cannot play extremely well and win from the pocket. Of course you can it’s been happening since the advent of the forward pass.
My contention has always been and still is that QB were viewed as incapable of doing so jsut because they were athletic. It’s ignorant, to assume because someone is atletic they cannot execute any offense from inside or outside the pocket. It just mean they have an option the stationary pocket passer does NOT……….period
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Two things; my viewpoint is that you can win with either type of player, so I don’t know how you could call that narrow-minded. The narrow-mided view would be that you can only win with one or the other.
Secondly, although I think you are partially correct about athletic QBs not being given a chance to play, I think that was put to bed quite awhile ago. First, by they got beat out by guys that were more NFL-ready that could step in and play. Someone mentioned Kordell Stewart awhile back. Well, he did get his chance to start. Couldn’t execute the passing game at the NFL level. Randall Cunningham got his shot, Steve Young got his. They COULD execute at an NFL level, and stayed as starters.
The thing that really advanced the case of the athletic QB was the contact rules changes. Nobody tried to make Mike Vick a pocket passer because they were trying to stunt his abilities. They were trying to keep him from getting his expensive franchise player ass killed. Now that the rules have changed, guys can run more freely and more often. That changed the game more than anything.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
“Mobile” quarterback throwing perfect rainbow TDs. Fk the haters.
Johnny Football. It works.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
T A&M was too good for OKLAHOMA, D-MOORE influenced the game in many ways, even though he might have not gotten to the QB much
January 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
He’s hated in here because his viewpoint on Palmer, you cannot criticize Palmer and not be racist. Yet they villified JC in here for winning………..I could’ve said they were bigots..
January 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
I believe Johnny, I believe.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
T A&M was too good for OKLAHOMA, D-MOORE influenced the game in many ways, even though he might have not gotten to the QB much
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Couldnt Agree Moore (Pun Intended)
January 4th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Priest,unlike you and the Miss one,I don’t root against any player wearing the Silver and Black to further the position of someone I like.You both root against Palmer just as you both rooted against the all mighty Bruce.I hope Pryor becomes the greatest QB to ever play the game because he plays for the team I root for.You two root against Palmer so Pryor will get the chance to show he deserves to be an NFL QB.Sorry if you can’t see the difference.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
He’s hated in here because his viewpoint on Palmer, you cannot criticize Palmer and not be racist. Yet they villified JC in here for winning………..I could’ve said they were bigots..
– How can u like him when he comes in here after a game our D gave up 55 points and he only have 1 guy to attack
January 4th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
If were gonna be on the race subject tonight then answer me this riddle? Has there ever been an Asian QB?
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My guy Timmy Chang from Hawaii. Flamed out in the NFL, but when he was at Hawaii, he set all the NCAA passing records before Colt. He was fun to watch.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Haha yes the purpledrank his name was Chang and he played for Hawaii right colt Brennan he actually broke the record for most passing yards in NCAA history about 7 years ago and then Brennan broke it right after
January 4th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Post1491 Thank You…. If were gonna talk about race at least I can be educated too LOL
January 4th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
If were gonna be on the race subject tonight then answer me this riddle? Has there ever been an Asian QB?
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I used a dollar bill to pay for a 70 cent soda at a Korean-owned convenience store once (five cent tax was added). As reluctant as the guy behind the counter was, he did give me change.
So in answer to your question, I would have to say yes.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Everybody looks at it like it’s Mobile Black QB vs Pocket Passing White QB but really there’s no reason why you cant have a Mobile QB who can also hang in the pocket and chuck it around. You guys wouldnt be happy If Warren Moon and Unitas had a love child you’d still complain about he wasnt White enough or Black enough….
Honestly who really cares…Just win games
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RaidingTexas
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
January 4th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Two things; my viewpoint is that you can win with either type of player, so I don’t know how you could call that narrow-minded. The narrow-mided view would be that you can only win with one or the other.
Secondly, although I think you are partially correct about athletic QBs not being given a chance to play, I think that was put to bed quite awhile ago. First, by they got beat out by guys that were more NFL-ready that could step in and play. Someone mentioned Kordell Stewart awhile back. Well, he did get his chance to start. Couldn’t execute the passing game at the NFL level. Randall Cunningham got his shot, Steve Young got his. They COULD execute at an NFL level, and stayed as starters.
The thing that really advanced the case of the athletic QB was the contact rules changes. Nobody tried to make Mike Vick a pocket passer because they were trying to stunt his abilities. They were trying to keep him from getting his expensive franchise player ass killed. Now that the rules have changed, guys can run more freely and more often. That changed the game more than anything.
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Come on, ET you can do better than this. I wathced guys like Moon and all too many great QB’s get denied opportunities due to the fact they didn’t look the part. The black QB would have been as plentifulas any other position if that were not the case. Sure they would allow the occasional token for whatever reason like Cunningham. Kordel was TERRIBLE no problem there. But I saw a lot of them who was much better than their white counterpart get pushed to the side just because they were black.
In many cases the white player cost the team more and wasn’t nearly as good yet he started. But now it seems the playing field is leveling after Tim Tebow was allowed to stink it up for 3 qrtrs first. That was the first time they ever designed an offense around a QB’s skillset.
Now they’re doing it and benefitting bigtime. The zone read is as old as dirt but they’re using it at this level now. Which will afford many more the ability to develope in this league.
There are many other factors that I’m too tired to mention but suffice to say better late than never.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Why don’t those that promote the ‘athletic’ QBs on here promote Teabow and the kid from KS like they do people like Pryor and Newton?They all have good arms with weird throwing motions.They all win in college.There is only one difference yet Teabow and the kid from KS are dismissed.What the hell is the difference?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Oak Raider yes the TX Am center is draft eligible he’s my homeboy…but idk what he wld be like in the nfl…but he did do well with them moving to the SEC this year but I think he be around til rounds 3 & 4?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
Honestly who really cares…Just win games
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For us, it’s not just who wins games. Who fkn scores in the red zone? I know who had trouble doing that for the better part of 15 games. I know who had a lot less trouble doing it for one game.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
I’m out. This POS website hangs too much and it’s just too frustrating to keep shutting things down and starting over all the time.
Before I go, let me be address Priest’s post one more time, because he’s putting words in my mouth that just simply arent there; I have never nor will I ever assume or intimate that someone that’s athletic can’t run any type of offense. Never said or implied that. I know this because I know how I feel about the subject and if you read my past posts you will see that there is only one common thread regarding the issue, and that’s that you have to be able to execute the passing game at an NFL level regardless of whether you can run or not. There are immobile guys that can throw the ball 75 yards from the seat of their pants but can’t run an NFL passing offense. There are guys that could rival a running back in elusiveness that can’t run an NFL passing offense. No matter hwo athletic you are (or aren’t), you have to be able to do it or you ain’t worth a damn to an NFL team.
Have a good night everyone.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Looks like Johnny manziel is the new wave of the future home boy is killin it
January 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Well Colin Klein is fat..Thats why…When it comes down to it most people are Cacomorphobic
January 4th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Everybody looks at it like it’s Mobile Black QB vs Pocket Passing White QB but really there’s no reason why you cant have a Mobile QB who can also hang in the pocket and chuck it around. You guys wouldnt be happy If Warren Moon and Unitas had a love child you’d still complain about he wasnt White enough or Black enough….
Honestly who really cares…Just win games
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Only someone with common sense would come to this conclusion. They get upset at Mistic1 because he refers to black mobile QB’s more than the white ones. It’s his preference based on what has been the plight of the black QB over the years anyone with an objective viewpoint can see that.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
You see what affect a mobile QB has on a defense it tires them out. Slows dow the rush and opens up throwing lanes. That is why this is the wave of the future actually it’s the “Now Wave” instead because everyone will want one.
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SPOT ON.. F’n money post. Tires D’s out big time. I see nfl players with hands on hips in 3rd quarter when russell wilson / Rg3 playing. I saw the beast MELVIN INGRAM chasing PRYOR all over the damn place on SUNDAY couldnt get a clean hit on the guy.
Chargers had 11 sacks on greg mceleroy the week b4. I saw PRYOR stiff arm the phuck out of linebacker Shaun Phillips in the 1st quarter. This guy has crushed Palmer every game he played him.
Even Pete Carroll said what u said.. u no longer have to wait for a mobile qb 2-3 years.. U can play a kid who is mobile right away and be successful. He was excitied.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
edward teach Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
I’m out. This POS website hangs too much and it’s just too frustrating to keep shutting things down and starting over all the time.
Before I go, let me be address Priest’s post one more time, because he’s putting words in my mouth that just simply arent there; I have never nor will I ever assume or intimate that someone that’s athletic can’t run any type of offense. Never said or implied that. I know this because I know how I feel about the subject and if you read my past posts you will see that there is only one common thread regarding the issue, and that’s that you have to be able to execute the passing game at an NFL level regardless of whether you can run or not. There are immobile guys that can throw the ball 75 yards from the seat of their pants but can’t run an NFL passing offense. There are guys that could rival a running back in elusiveness that can’t run an NFL passing offense. No matter hwo athletic you are (or aren’t), you have to be able to do it or you ain’t worth a damn to an NFL team.
Have a good night everyone.
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Then obviously we agree, it’s what I have been saying for 40 years. But when yoiu mention it people hear athletic and they assume he can execute a single pass. It’s moronic….
January 4th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
BTW who wants to see TERRELLE PRYOR STIFF ARM … STEVIE BROWN in college. WOW!
http://images54.fotki.com/v627/photos/7/798917/6957666/081122_0507-vi.jpg
January 4th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Does he throw a pretty spiral???? NO but he wins games, he has heart,he shows up to the facility early and leaves late. He’s a team leader and has a strong arm plus the kid has been patient and trying to learn what he can from Palmer….
Really what else do you guy’s want from him?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Why don’t those that promote the ‘athletic’ QBs on here promote Teabow and the kid from KS like they do people like Pryor and Newton?They all have good arms with weird throwing motions.They all win in college.There is only one difference yet Teabow and the kid from KS are dismissed.What the hell is the difference?
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lefty12, If you can’t see that Newton and Pryor are worlds better than Tebow. Then I can’t help you. Klien has a chance to get better, Tebow is a long way away…….that is why.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
It’s his preference based on what has been the plight of the black QB over the years anyone with an objective viewpoint can see that.
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Bullsh!t.He is an out an out Bigot and has shown it over and over on here.Anyone who won’t acknowledge that isn’t objective.But then again,he just might be Alias intentionally trying to stir the pot.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Talking about Pryor Ofcourse^^^^^^
January 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
All this hate on black QBs is gonna make me root for Washington or Seattle. And I can’t stand the effen hawks.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
He’s hated in here because his viewpoint on Palmer, you cannot criticize Palmer and not be racist. Yet they villified JC in here for winning………..I could’ve said they were bigots..
– How can u like him when he comes in here after a game our D gave up 55 points and he only have 1 guy to attack
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You guys did the same thing to JC after we WON!!
January 4th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Werner takes plays off and comes out on plays… Damontre Moore isnt just the best pass rusher in the draft but also the best D-End against the run…You dont get 21 TFL and 12.5 sacks being a 3rd down pass rusher. The guy also commands double teams when Werner doesnt. the guy had 8o tackles as a D-End.. I’ve watched him chase down a reciever 30 yards for a td saving tackle.
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I don’t know, I think Werner is more of a pure 4-3 DE and Moore is more like Wimbley (elephant) he plays all over and moves around alot, but from what I watched Werner has a better burst of the line and is alil quicker off the snap and looks to have more power. I have mostly got this from watching youtube clips, wish I could watch some full games of both to get a better idea about them but from the lil I have seen I would take Werner over Moore
January 4th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
I’d be happy if Raiders stayed put and took Damontre moore.
Todd Mcshay has Moore going number 2 to jax
January 4th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Priest,once Newton suffers the major knee injury that is inevitable he will be a bottom tier QB.He isn’t in the same class as RGIII.If you look at things without your biased eye you’d realize Teabow wins more than Newton.I’d prefer to not have either as my QB.I would love to have RGIII.He will be effective much longer because he can pass the ball even once his knees get hurt so his mobility won’t be what it is today.Once guys like Newton and Teabow lose their running ability nthey won’t last long.
January 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Fuk u priestt u and mystic r the two biggest clowns / racists in this place. So answer my this priestt how come theres only been
One black qb to win a super bowl?
January 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
It’s his preference based on what has been the plight of the black QB over the years anyone with an objective viewpoint can see that.
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Bullsh!t.He is an out an out Bigot and has shown it over and over on here.Anyone who won’t acknowledge that isn’t objective.But then again,he just might be Alias intentionally trying to stir the pot.
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lEFTY12, If you want my honest opinion. Mistic1 does that because of how JC was treated in here and he won games while Palmer recieves accolades when we lose. Mistic1 was a HUGE JC fan he was the first one to tell me what kind of QB JC was and he had high praise for him. Only to witness this board beat him up on a weekly basis when we were winning games.
Mistic1 IMHO is giving back what he thinks the populace deserves. JMHO!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
If any qb suffered a knee injury they wouldnt be the same .. thats silly
January 4th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Brady had a major knee injury and it hasn’t affected him that much.Major knee injuries will affect a mobile QB much more than a pocket QB.Don’t act so stupid!
January 4th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Your opinion Priest.I despise the Miss one.He is anti everything I believe.I’d prefer to see no color when I see any player.He bases everything on what a players skin color is.If you choose to support him so be it.I always thought you were above that.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Fuk u priestt u and mystic r the two biggest clowns / racists in this place. So answer my this priestt how come theres only been
One black qb to win a super bowl?
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It’s simple JFB, it’s a numbers game. By comparison white QB’s outnumber black QB’s over history 200-1 so the sheer #’s would dictate such an outcome. If that stumbles you, it’s as expected.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
As long as Junior has his way, Pryor is not going to play much for the team next season, if at all.
Junior will ride Carcux, continue at the same losing rate, every commentary points to a longer “rebuild” time, but the fans won’t sit back this time and wait, will call for his dismissal after next season.
However, if I’m Pryor’s agent I’d be making sure that I can find another team where he might be appreciated. How about Pryor and Chip Kelly hooking up with the Browns? Pryor would be back in Ohio, running and gunning with Kelly’s offense.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Lefty,
I think you take some of the things the imposter Mistick says to heart.
Mistick was against Pryor until the preseason game he played well.
I’ve seen him talk glowingly about Roger, Ryan, and several white QBs
Sshhyyttss on QBs like Gabbert and Henne and uses them as examples of guys who guys like Pryor should be stating in front of.
I don’t see bigot at all.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Well priestt there’s there’s only a few of them most of them suck
January 4th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Lefty & others please kill yourselves
I have admited that elway & Montana were the greatest qbs of all time.
I said that luck & Johnny football were two of my favorites to watch & these idiots still want to divide players according to skin color?!?! You are the ones with the issue.
Why is everyone trying to suddenly ascribe thief own meaning to the wave of the future?
Didn’t I tell you to watch the cotton bowl to see the new football paradigm?
Now since you want to single out black qbs & run that ” things are better ” trash it isn’t that much better. Black qbs still don’t get a fair shake. Just look how Pryor was treated this year as if he wasn’t capable of beating out lienart. Look how so called fans on this board say he is ” too stupid to learn the playbook”
Do you realize that the only one school offered RGIII a chance to compete at qb?!?! 1 school. Same with bridgewater!!!
I should have known that the wave of the future would cause many of you to be up in arms. Sad commentary & very telling about those of you that are so color struck you can only see race.
Isn’t it interesting that this race issue only comes up in football when you talk qb & hc? Nobody cares if we talk d end or fb.
Very very telling but not surprising. Most peope here are white so that tells me that white guys have a race issue
January 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I thought most Raider fans were behind JC, especially the beginning of last year up until he got hurt and than we bought in Palmer, than people got behind Palmer. I myself liked JC from the jump but once we got Palmer I thought he was goin to be the better QB because of his history, so far he hasn’t and thats a damn shame we gave up what we did for him but can’t take it back. I will root for Palmer and I hope he cleans up some things because he more than likely aint goin anywhere this year.
Pryor showed he can play in this league, he could be really something, needs to keep grinding and keep learning all he can from Palmer (sounds like he learned more from Palmer than he did any of the coaches) Not sure why it always has to be Palmer vs Pryor, Im a fan of both and will root for whoever is starting for the Raiders
January 4th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I have admited that elway & Montana were the greatest qbs of all time.
I said that luck & Johnny football were two of my favorites to watch & these idiots still want to divide players according to skin color?!?! You are the ones with the issue.
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Yup.
Your handle gets taken over by the imposter. They know, they don’t care.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Priest used to work for the Raiders and I think he’s a Raider fan first and foremost.
We all have different takes on guys and he seems to respond in a civil manner with guys who disagree with him. No worse than anyone else that i’ve noticed.
I think it’d be good if everyone respected others opinions…as long as someone isn’t INTENTIONALLY trying to instigate stuff and cause discord.
I DO notice that with certain posters.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Well priestt there’s there’s only a few of them most of them suck
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Thanks JFB you made your usual point..
Mistic1, It’s because you hit them where it hurts. I haven’t seen nearly as much anti-white from you as I have seen anti-black from most all the posters in here who are regulars. But it only comes to light when you somehow allude to it.
Truth is just like JFB and many others they hate the idea taht black QB’s might be getting the due they have deserved for decades finally. It’ll only take them another lifetime to get over it.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Tonight confirmed it for me. Luke Joeckel absolutely has to be our guy at No. 3.
The problem is there’s a good chance he goes No. 1 overall. The other problem is even if he falls to us, I’m not certain Big Mac is smart enough to make that pick.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
As for the hype ” most fans were behind jc” Im calling bull shid
Most never wanted him then wanted grads then couldn’t give jc credit for winning. They celebrated Palmer & spent a full year ripping jc even though he was in another city hundreds of miles away.
Iso it seems there Are people with serious issues that have nothing to do with football.
Here peope can be who they would never be in general society
January 4th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
J Hill,maybe you are correct.It could be you guy see what he is saying different than I do-the perspective.Just as there are comments made by white people that would offend people of color that I as a white man might not see any problem with.I just hate how he intentionally focuses on black QBs,attacks Palmer because he replaced Campbell, and refuses to acknowledge anyone else unless it is brought to his attention.If a known white poster did the same thing and omitted all black QBs his comments would be just as bad and he would be called out and labeled a racist-and probably rightfully so.I don’t care what color a man’s skin is and I really don’t care what color a players skin is.If he can help the team,it doesn’t matter.The Misses criticism of Palmer goes overboard and is IMO racist.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
So it would be dumb to try and improve the RDE position?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Haven’t we by now all come to the same conclusion? Palmer will start the season, Pryor will finish it and DA will be gone at the end.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Fuk u priestt u and mystic r the two biggest clowns / racists in this place. So answer my this priestt how come theres only been
One black qb to win a super bowl?
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Ignorant statement. It’s all about #s. have you heard of warren moon? Why did he play in the CFL?
Btw, McNair was close.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I have admited that elway & Montana were the greatest qbs of all time.
I said that luck & Johnny football were two of my favorites to watch & these idiots still want to divide players according to skin color?!?! You are the ones with the issue.
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Yup.
Your handle gets taken over by the imposter. They know, they don’t care.
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Jhill that same guy takes over my handle as wel as KK’s and spews that stuff. Now if it is as you say they know they just don’t care then it is truely on them.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
J,hopefully 1st pick.However,I heard tonight Jones is the #1 rated player on the board now that he has declared.If he is there,should we take him?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Lefty,
Mistic’s criticism of Palmer has been on par with young B from the start.
I have SEVERAL friends who HATE Palmer. Same cats STILL talk about the Gannon and Gruden years. Half of them are white and hispanic.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
A black man likes black QBs? Really? Who cares?
You people are retarded and racist.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
D Moore didn’t make plays today.
Sean Porter needed to be used more as a pass rusher OLB who plays more in the box instead of in space.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
I’m so sick of this dumb crap: why didn’t a black QB win a SB?
Well retard, a lot of black QBs were not given a fair chance in the NFL.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
As for the hype ” most fans were behind jc” Im calling bull shid
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I don’t know man, I know I was and there were more than a few fans that were also, he was playin good last year and when he went down most fans thought the season was over until the “savior” Palmer came in lol, it hasn’t worked out the way alot of fans thought it would with Palmer and I think people are starting to finally realize it.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
BTW,I almost forgot.Priest,the other day i called you a liar.I want to apologize.I was wrong to say that and am truly sorry.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
If Dennis Allen were black I wouldn’t hate him any more…or less.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
I probably should clarify “they don’t care”.
I think Mistic is on certain’s people’s list like 55 is.
Doesn’t matter that he gave Witten a kidney transplant or that he’s been playing outta position.
He got in trouble in Alabama and he’s too uppity to speak to fans. That’s all that matters.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Actually mystic Ur wrong again Stanford also offered RG3 a scholarship harbaugh told him he would use a two qb system with him and luck get Ur facts straight
January 4th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
I actually advocated for sticking with Boller and was crucified. In retrospect if we had, we’d be much better off. All except Pryor of course.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
J Hill,maybe you are correct.It could be you guy see what he is saying different than I do-the perspective.Just as there are comments made by white people that would offend people of color that I as a white man might not see any problem with.I just hate how he intentionally focuses on black QBs,attacks Palmer because he replaced Campbell, and refuses to acknowledge anyone else unless it is brought to his attention.If a known white poster did the same thing and omitted all black QBs his comments would be just as bad and he would be called out and labeled a racist-and probably rightfully so.I don’t care what color a man’s skin is and I really don’t care what color a players skin is.If he can help the team,it doesn’t matter.The Misses criticism of Palmer goes overboard and is IMO racist.
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lefty12, this guy was coming in here calling black people baboons and every kind of mockery imaginable. I NEVER once saw the disdain for him that I see for Mistic1. Posters come in here with all kinds of derogative enuendos and no one cares. But I had a few sentences of criticism for Palmer and all of a sudden I was attacked by 20 different posters.
When JC was criticized for winning it never met with the disapproval critiguing Palmers comes with. And he LOSES games. JC was criticized for winning them by the same people who shower Palmer with accolades when he loses.
Now you tell me how is that fair?
January 4th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
J Hill,I don’t have a problem with people liking or disliking certain players.I just believe what the Miss one does goes overboard.State your opinion,discuss it, and move on.No reason to spend hours repeating the same garbage day after day after day.To me that shows an agenda.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
BTW,I almost forgot.Priest,the other day i called you a liar.I want to apologize.I was wrong to say that and am truly sorry.
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Lefty12, I truely appreciate that, I have been always enjoyed speaking with you because we have been able to disagree without malice. Not to mention you have a ton of football knowledge. AS long as we can do that we can always talk through things even if we don’t always come to an agreement. So thanks a bunch.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Priest-it might not be fair but don’t you agree it is better to be a bigger man than to even acknowledge those clowns.I find them to be just as repulsive as the miss one.If you’ve noticed I don’t reply to them or Miss.I see where you are coming from,but everyone would be better off if both were ignored.This place has gotten so bad there are only a hand full of people that are worth trying to have a conversation with.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Lefty,
You’re entitled to dislike Mistic.
I really don’t have a problem with it.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Sorry but if you have an issue call a therapist.
I have never read a single racist post from priest in fact he has been one of the guys that has helped me deal with some of the trash we get hit over the head with
Calling the black hole priest is a bigot hour an idiot
January 4th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Lefty,
We need more of guys being willing to own up to a bad take or admit they made a mistake. How hard is it really?
Or god forbid apologizing for an unfair insult.
Some will just hold onto a horribly wrong take forever.
Then they change their screen name and start all over again.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
What a game by my Fighting Texas A&M Aggies!!! WHOOP!
GIG ‘EM AGGIES!!!
Johnny Football is amazing!!!
NOW HIRE A FREAKIN’ OC ALREADY!!! I’m tired of checking the news and seeing absolutely nothing.
No names, no rumores, no nothing.
January 4th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
J Hill,you and Priest are 2 of the people I really enjoy discussing the Raiders with.I hope it can always be that way.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Kelly met with the Brownies for 7 hours. Looks like that’s a done deal.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
DJ,Priest and I have always been able to discuss the Raiders as fans and not let anything get in our way.The other day I was pissed and took it out on him.I was wrong and have no qualms admitting so.I hate the name calling that goes on here.I dislike the ‘I know more than everyone’ attitude that is prevalent.Unfortunately that seems to be the way things have become on here.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Ummm no RGIII was Not offered a chance to compete with luck for the starting qb job. They were on a recruiting trip together RGIII wanted a chance to be a full time starting qb & that wasnt on the table @ Stanford.
That is why he ended up at Baylor art brûlée said he could compete for full time qb
January 4th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I was never a Campbell fan and it had nothing to do with his color and yes, I’d still take Grads over him in a second. I don’t like check down passers. Campbell was exactly that. He was terrible that first season and whenever Grads came in he instantly sparked the offense and started completing passes downfield.
Campbell was much better the second year. But we won games with Campbell because DMac was tearing it up and Bush provided a solid secondary punch in the running game and Hue Jack was a GREAT play caller.
Speaking of that, if I somehow didn’t like Campbell for his color, why then would I be such a fan of Hue Jack, a black head coach?
I don’t think I’m alone. I think most fans in here didn’t care for Campbell as a QB for the same reason.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Lefty,
You said that I “omit” white qbs?
Omit the. From what exactly?
Even if I did omit the. From something g why would that bother you?
Honestly you spend too much time examining the qbs I me tion for skin color otherwise you could never arrive at the conclusion I feeling “omitted ”
Get over your race issue lefty
January 4th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
I liked the way the Texas A&M Center played today. Plays low, plays with good leverage, can move, was making calls at the LOS.
Raiders should take a look at him as a 4th-5th rounder if he is eligible to be drafted this year.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Raiders should definitely draft Luke Joeckel if he’s available at No. 3. Hands down. I’ll be beating that drum through April.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Miss-I very seldom even read anything you write.I don’t like you,you don’t like me.My opinion of you is from a while ago.I do know that you only critique fellow black QBs.You,as far as I know,have never mentioned guys like Murray or Jones.If you are going to critique QBs you should mention all of them and not just QBs of 1 race.That is my problem with you.You single out a group based on color instead of just talking about the whole group.And then you get upset when you are called on it.If you were fair and mentioned all the prospects i doubt you’d catch the sh!t you do.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
I like Joekel, but not sure Raiders need a LT that early when they need defenders.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Raiders should definitely draft Luke Joeckel if he’s available at No. 3. Hands down. I’ll be beating that drum through April.
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I don’t understand it.
You want to upgrade the LT position with our 1st pick while ignoring needs like DE, DT, and CB?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
I like Joekel, but not sure Raiders need a LT that early when they need defenders.
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We don’t need a LT
We need a DE, DT, and CB
January 4th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
I don’t think I’m alone. I think most fans in here didn’t care for Campbell as a QB for the same reason.
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Most? Really? Im not a regular but I thought people started to warm up to JC as the QB last year, yeah the year before Grads was hyped up but last year JC was winning games and thats all that matters. I myself root for whichever QB is starting, I was always makin excuses for Russel lol, its hard for me to talk ish about any Raider player I guess, I had DHB as my MUP last year (which Im sure he won) when most on here only talked schit about him
I like the QB situation we are in right now, Palmers not goin anywhere because of his contract, Pryor can be #2 and learn some more from Palmer and get some playin time in the Redzone and hopefully 2014-2015 he will be ready to take over
January 4th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Adding Joeckel and a #1 WR to this offense would do wonders.
Adding Moore and Anthony Spencer to the defense would do wonders as well.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Spot on lefty couldn’t have said it any better he never mentions Murray,Barkley, jones, Ryan nassib, glennon or Tyler Wilson all very good qbs all he mentions is geno smith who got his ass beat by nassib or ej Manuel who isn’t very good at all yet the other day somebody mentioned Murray and he responded with ya I don’t like him he isn’t much better than Bruce gradkowski wtf Murray is waaayy better than grads and geno smith Murray is the best qb in this draft mystic is such a pos
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Pass rusher is by far our biggest need, I’m just not enthralled with any of the “elite” pass rushers in this class. Not at all.
Try to address that need and others later in the draft and in free agency. Draft Joeckel if he’s there and you’ve got 3of 5 pieces, all under 25, to be the foundation of an elite offensive line.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Lefty read what you just posted. I have critiqued jones Manziel barley Wilson bray & Murray,
You have an issue because I don’t post enough about white qbs?!?!
Lefty those guys get plenty of attention why do I have to fill a whit qb critique quota to make you comfortable?
In your above post it reveals that any discussion of qbs sends you to Wikipedia to look up the race of the player . That is your issue not mine
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
I saw Palmer get hit repeatedly. Had he not got the ball out so quick, he’d have been hit A LOT more.
Our starting WRs and RB were TERRIBLE this past year. 20 has lost AT LEAST a half step.
Our offense needs MORE help than the D, imo.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
I saw Palmer get hit repeatedly. Had he not got the ball out so quick, he’d have been hit A LOT more.
Our starting WRs and RB were TERRIBLE this past year. 20 has lost AT LEAST a half step.
Our offense needs MORE help than the D, imo.
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We will lose more players on the D than on the O.
An OC change and scheme change more to what Hue was running here with packages for TP to be used a whole lot more is the way to go.
We need to get the running game going again and that will cause the OLine to gel again and take pressure off the passing game.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
A new real OC would do wonders, just go back and watch the last 2 years when we had one with these same players. Why do you think Reggie fired Knapp? Could it be because he watched the tape from the last 2 years and expected a whole lot more from the offense? We should go to FA for a couple Offensive players and use this draft on the major problem THE DEFNSE, I mean C’MON MAN its the worst Raider D since 1961 and plus we have a D minded HC, if you thinkin we goin offense this draft you will be disappointed
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
I saw Palmer get hit repeatedly. Had he not got the ball out so quick, he’d have been hit A LOT more.
Our starting WRs and RB were TERRIBLE this past year. 20 has lost AT LEAST a half step.
Our offense needs MORE help than the D, imo.
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You are the one make assumptions. I agree that we need help on offense too like WR, RT, TE, and another RB. I never said a simple OC change will fix all our issues.
Focus on what I’m saying without making assumptions please. My point is we need more help on Defense than we do on offense. We have DMC and CP on offense, but we have no impact players on defense. We need a DE, DT, CB, OLB, and a MLB after we release/ trade McClain.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
IMO our lines can be the best in football but we still need receivers who can run the right routes, get seperation and then CATCH THE FOOTBALL.
In a pass happy league imo it’s vital Reggie does something to address that.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
JHill,
I’m down with that plan. Spencer would be a great addition.
This would be a solid front 7 in a 3-4:
OLB- Anthony Spencer (FA, DALLAS)
ILB – Jon Bostic (3rd round pick, U of Florida)
ILB – Miles Burris
OLB – Phillip Wheeler
DE – Lamaar Houston
NT – Des Bryant
DE – Matt Shaughnessy
Bilukidi would be a key backup. If we could afford TK I’d keep him around. And I’d want to add some edge rush specialists — realistically some affordable Trevor Scott, Chris Clemons types of recent years.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
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January 4th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Sorry guys, but I just don’t recall this dynamic offense you are talking about. It looked it’s best with Soup the check down artist dumping a bunch of passes off short.
DMac is not the same player after the MULTIPLE foot injuries. He’s just not. I think you’re setting yourself up for a disappointment by relying on the mCfadden from the first 8 games last year.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Our offense can be top 10 (scoring & yards) with a good OC and a healthy DMC IMO.
Defense needs a lot of help/ talent just to be average.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Sorry guys, but I just don’t recall this dynamic offense you are talking about. It looked it’s best with Soup the check down artist dumping a bunch of passes off short.
DMac is not the same player after the MULTIPLE foot injuries. He’s just not. I think you’re setting yourself up for a disappointment by relying on the mCfadden from the first 8 games last year.
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Your forgetting that we had one of the top running games in the NFL the previous two years under Hue’s O system.
We also led league in explosive plays over 20 yards I believe.
Until McK and Tits DA decided to screw it up when it didn’t need to be screwed up and hire Knapp to execute the screw up.
January 4th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Lefty,
You said that I “omit” white qbs?
Omit the. From what exactly?
Even if I did omit the. From something g why would that bother you?
Honestly you spend too much time examining the qbs I me tion for skin color otherwise you could never arrive at the conclusion I feeling “omitted ”
Get over your race issue lefty
>> hey MISTIC YOU are the one who said that ONLY white people can be racist and that black people can’t be. YOU said that you are a fuking racist. game over
January 4th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Suuure mystic u r back pedaling faster than Deion sanders FYI manziel is the new wave of the future for qbs and he’s waay better than all of Ur favorites and that is a white wave lol
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Here we go with the defensive stuff again, O. Stop being so damn sensitive.
All you had to say to the QUESTION was no, lol.
As it tuns out, you do think our offense has enough with CP and DMac to pass on offense. Are you really trying to clown because I’m asking you how much, or to what degree you think a new OC is going to improve the offense?
Or do you just concede we are going to be bad next year too, and have a shot at Clowney?
January 4th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Not sayin it was always “dynamic” but it looked damn good at times, something you can’t say about this defense since when? I can’t even remember. Reggie fired Knapp cause he thinks he underachieved with the players we had/have. Could we use a WR, OT, yeah and there is FA, I said get a couple FA for offense and with a real oc we will be alright. The defense needs a major over haul and it sounds like Reggie likes building through the draft so Im guessing this draft will be very D heavy, kinda like the Packers last year
January 4th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Spot on lefty couldn’t have said it any better he never mentions Murray,Barkley, jones, Ryan nassib, glennon or Tyler Wilson all very good qbs all he mentions is geno smith who got his ass beat by nassib or ej Manuel who isn’t very good at all yet the other day somebody mentioned Murray and he responded with ya I don’t like him he isn’t much better than Bruce gradkowski wtf Murray is waaayy better than grads and geno smith Murray is the best qb in this draft mystic is such a pos
>> yep best QB in the NFL over the past 2 seasons is: from Chico, went to CAL, has a cannon arm, accurate, can scramble and run for days, and is a superbowl champion and mistic doesn’t mention him. we al know who I’m talking about. THIS QB blows away ALL of his “wave of the future” OBS. you’re a racist mistic and thats okay, but don’t sit there and wag your little finger and accuse others of what you are guilty of.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Our offense can be top 10 (scoring & yards) with a good OC and a healthy DMC IMO.
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Puzzles me why you couldn’t have just said this from the start instead of the defensive word play game on “assume”, lol.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
There was a guy on ESPN radio talking about the importance of the QB position and mentioned that the MAIN GOAL at GB during the Favre yr’s was going to Favre and finding out exactly what he felt he needed to give him the best opportunity to be successful.
He said the main goal at GB was giving Favre EVERYTHING he needed.
Let’s say for the sake of argument that Pryor is our starter. Does he have everything he needs to be successful and win games?
Is having a known “pass dropper” like DHB as a #1 receiver providing that? How about a 5th round draft choice in DMoore who has dipped? Maybe an undrafted rookie who caught all of 20 passes in college? Or how about a tight end who is one of the league leaders in drops?
We NEED some studs at WR. Not just one # 1 guy but a few “go to guys” who our QB can trust to throw the ball to especially in the redzone.
They have got to be able to see this.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
There was a guy on ESPN radio talking about the importance of the QB position and mentioned that the MAIN GOAL at GB during the Favre yr’s was going to Favre and finding out exactly what he felt he needed to give him the best opportunity to be successful.
He said the main goal at GB was giving Favre EVERYTHING he needed.
Let’s say for the sake of argument that Pryor is our starter. Does he have everything he needs to be successful and win games?
Is having a known “pass dropper” like DHB as a #1 receiver providing that? How about a 5th round draft choice in DMoore who has dipped? Maybe an undrafted rookie who caught all of 20 passes in college? Or how about a tight end who is one of the league leaders in drops?
We NEED some studs at WR. Not just one # 1 guy but a few “go to guys” who our QB can trust to throw the ball to especially in the redzone.
They have got to be able to see this.
>. the right Qb MAKES the offense better himself. just look at Green bay. Rodgers was sacked 51 times this year and STILL has that team 11-5 and a contender. all about the QB. Manning made austin colle and Garcon look like #1 WRS and where are they now? all about the QB
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
DKnight,
I remember the lack of 2nd half scoring. A LOT of 2nd half blown short 3rd down conversions.
A Lot of 1st half home runs and exciting plays. Maybe 2 really good complete offensive games against the Jets and Buffalo with Soup.
I remember getting our arsses handed to us against the good teams last year and especially folding in the 2nd half offensively.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
2 blocked FGs by Richard Seymour?????
Otherwise 0-6 to finish last year.
I know, I know …No RB and Palmer was fresh off the couch.
Which leads me right back to the Soup lead offense which was NOT dynamic AT ALL.
And the lone bright spot DMac has lost a half step man. He is NOT that guy 2 years later.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
There was a guy on ESPN radio talking about the importance of the QB position and mentioned that the MAIN GOAL at GB during the Favre yr’s was going to Favre and finding out exactly what he felt he needed to give him the best opportunity to be successful.
He said the main goal at GB was giving Favre EVERYTHING he needed.
Let’s say for the sake of argument that Pryor is our starter. Does he have everything he needs to be successful and win games?
Is having a known “pass dropper” like DHB as a #1 receiver providing that? How about a 5th round draft choice in DMoore who has dipped? Maybe an undrafted rookie who caught all of 20 passes in college? Or how about a tight end who is one of the league leaders in drops?
We NEED some studs at WR. Not just one # 1 guy but a few “go to guys” who our QB can trust to throw the ball to especially in the redzone.
They have got to be able to see this.
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JaMarcus agrees with you 100%!!
January 4th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Here we go with the defensive stuff again, O. Stop being so damn sensitive.
All you had to say to the QUESTION was no, lol.
As it tuns out, you do think our offense has enough with CP and DMac to pass on offense. Are you really trying to clown because I’m asking you how much, or to what degree you think a new OC is going to improve the offense?
Or do you just concede we are going to be bad next year too, and have a shot at Clowney?
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Not being defensive bro. I do agree that we need more playmakers on offense like a good vet WR, and we need help on the OL, but I think we have enough talent to be top 10 with a good OC AND a good defense that creates TOs and gets the ball back to our offense.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Carson Palmer is MUCH better than DMac.
HE better be the focal point of the OCs plan instead of 35 touches to #20.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
DKnight,
I remember the lack of 2nd half scoring. A LOT of 2nd half blown short 3rd down conversions.
A Lot of 1st half home runs and exciting plays. Maybe 2 really good complete offensive games against the Jets and Buffalo with Soup.
I remember getting our arsses handed to us against the good teams last year and especially folding in the 2nd half offensively.
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The positive outweighed the negative when it came to the offense IMO.
The defense couldn’t stop anyone in critical situations to close games out and that was evident.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
DMAC looked pretty good to me last week with TP. TP opened things up.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Carson Palmer is MUCH better than DMac.
HE better be the focal point of the OCs plan instead of 35 touches to #20.
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Have to get Reece touched more involved with DMC in there, not when he is hurt.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
AND a good defense that creates TOs and gets the ball back to our offense.
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Gotcha.
Hollar at y’all in the AM.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
As far as defense goes do we really wanna change what’s been working?
Our Raider D was the 3rd best defense in the NFL over the last quarter of the season. Now there’s talk of switching to the 3/4? Will this be another example of fixing what doesn’t need fixing? Was it a “mirage” those last 4 games? I don’t see how any teams took it easy on us those last 4 games or willingly said “screw it let’s not even try”.
At the same token, we have to drop a few guys on the D so some tuff calls will have to be made.
I say it’s no coincidence that we were absent McClain and Seymour when we went from historically bad to top 3 in the league.
Adams was huge during that stretch… and heck Gaither comported himself quite well too. Carter even started to show signs.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
DMAC looked pretty good to me last week with TP. TP opened things up.
>> DMC is talent but fragile and can’t be counted on. need a #1 RB to carry the run game, DMC is a situational back at this point. maybe try him at WR. Mcfadden would better as a WR at this point.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
As far as defense goes do we really wanna change what’s been working?
Our Raider D was the 3rd best defense in the NFL over the last quarter of the season. Now there’s talk of switching to the 3/4? Will this be another example of fixing what doesn’t need fixing? Was it a “mirage” those last 4 games? I don’t see how any teams took it easy on us those last 4 games or willingly said “screw it let’s not even try”.
At the same token, we have to drop a few guys on the D so some tuff calls will have to be made.
I say it’s no coincidence that we were absent McClain and Seymour when we went from historically bad to top 3 in the league.
Adams was huge during that stretch… and heck Gaither comported himself quite well too. Carter even started to show signs.
>> looked up Raider defensive stats from the glory years. raiders had 60+ sacks as a team for 3 straight years in the mid 80s. THAT is what we need. better draft a beast pass rusher. fuk it draft 2
January 4th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Palmer out of the shotgun opens up a lot of possibilities, DKnight. Motion DMac to WR, run Reece.
Line Reece up in the slot. Better yet, shift into that formation out of the I.
A lot of possibilities.
Need a true #1 to pal opposite Streater.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
I like Running game by committee.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Exactly manassamsler Rodgers is def the best qb in the NFL hands down he molly wops all those wave of the future guys off the map but don’t tell mystic that cuz he would tell Jason Campbell and his 12 qb rating is much better what a joke that Lil poor guy is
January 4th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Our offense can be top 10 (scoring & yards) with a good OC and a healthy DMC IMO.
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Puzzles me why you couldn’t have just said this from the start instead of the defensive word play game on “assume”, lol.
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Because its more complicated than just hiring a new OC. Our defense is a mess, and we don’t have enough impact players on offense like the Saints to carry this team/ offense to be a top 10 offense without an avg defense. I’m saying we have enough talent on offense ASSUMING (lol) we are going to fix our defense which will help give our offense more opportunities to score.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Palmer out of the shotgun opens up a lot of possibilities, DKnight. Motion DMac to WR, run Reece.
Line Reece up in the slot. Better yet, shift into that formation out of the I.
A lot of possibilities.
Need a true #1 to pal opposite Streater.
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Some of you still holding on to that “if” this and that with Palmer? Dmac will be back with Plamer”, Palmer will have a full offseason” blah blah blah. Sound familiar?
Palmer is done.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
O,
So you are assuming a simple OC change is going to improve our offense to what degree?
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Our offense can be top 10 (scoring & yards) with a good OC and a healthy DMC IMO.
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Puzzles me why you couldn’t have just said this from the start instead of the defensive word play game on “assume”, lol.
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Because its more complicated than just hiring a new OC. Our defense is a mess, and we don’t have enough impact players on offense like the Saints to carry this team/ offense to be a top 10 offense without an avg defense. I’m saying we have enough talent on offense ASSUMING (lol) we are going to fix our defense which will help give our offense more opportunities to score.
>> Impact player needed for Offense is a QB, thats it rest takes care of itself. Raiders haven’t had a franchise type QB since gannon(maybe). I don’t think Palmer OR pryor fit that definition. but if I’m wrong GOOD. on defense this team 2 PASS RUSHERS. or at least 1. that would fix a lot of problems on D. we all know RM will either draft the best pass rusher available at 3 or trade down and STILL draft the best pass rusher available..
January 4th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Mannassa,
1591,
Yes, all about the QB but Rodgers has some guys to throw it to who seem to execute their routes and hold on to the ball.
It doesn’t seem our guys do that; at least consistently.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Pryor to Chip Kelly and the Browns for a 2nd rd pick
January 4th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
RaidO Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Palmer out of the shotgun opens up a lot of possibilities, DKnight. Motion DMac to WR, run Reece.
Line Reece up in the slot. Better yet, shift into that formation out of the I.
A lot of possibilities.
Need a true #1 to pal opposite Streater.
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Some of you still holding on to that “if” this and that with Palmer? Dmac will be back with Plamer”, Palmer will have a full offseason” blah blah blah. Sound familiar?
Palmer is done.
>. Palmer is good until the Raiders can find the QB they want in the draft. if palmer retires or gets hurt then we’ll see pryor play for a year AND THEN still draft the QB of the future in 14 or 15. either way
January 4th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Mannassa,
1591,
Yes, all about the QB but Rodgers has some guys to throw it to who seem to execute their routes and hold on to the ball.
It doesn’t seem our guys do that; at least consistently.
>> they were catching them last year. its a focus problem. DHB had 60+ catches last year. WRS hands weren’t the problem IMO. it was Knapp and the scheme. just my opinion. Knapp is gone and the drops will decrease.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Rodgers can also get out of the pocket if he has to, and make a play.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Exactly manassamsler Rodgers is def the best qb in the NFL hands down he molly wops all those wave of the future guys off the map but don’t tell mystic that cuz he would tell Jason Campbell and his 12 qb rating is much better what a joke that Lil poor guy is
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I like the guy, but how can you not call him a cog in the Green Bay machine? He just “plugged” right in after Favre. And when he was out, Matt Flynn played better than he did. Rodgers = system QB.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Manassamauler says:
>> Impact player needed for Offense is a QB, thats it rest takes care of itself. Raiders haven’t had a franchise type QB since gannon(maybe). I don’t think Palmer OR pryor fit that definition. but if I’m wrong GOOD. on defense this team 2 PASS RUSHERS. or at least 1. that would fix a lot of problems on D. we all know RM will either draft the best pass rusher available at 3 or trade down and STILL draft the best pass rusher available..
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I agree. I notice the bulk of our sacks came in the last 4 games as well and coincided with our leap in stopping people. Still weren’t a ton of sacks but the pressure was there alot more.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Exactly manassamsler Rodgers is def the best qb in the NFL hands down he molly wops all those wave of the future guys off the map but don’t tell mystic that cuz he would tell Jason Campbell and his 12 qb rating is much better what a joke that Lil poor guy is
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I like the guy, but how can you not call him a cog in the Green Bay machine? He just “plugged” right in after Favre. And when he was out, Matt Flynn played better than he did. Rodgers = system QB.
>. was that a serious post or are you trolling?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
manassamauler Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Exactly manassamsler Rodgers is def the best qb in the NFL hands down he molly wops all those wave of the future guys off the map but don’t tell mystic that cuz he would tell Jason Campbell and his 12 qb rating is much better what a joke that Lil poor guy is
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I like the guy, but how can you not call him a cog in the Green Bay machine? He just “plugged” right in after Favre. And when he was out, Matt Flynn played better than he did. Rodgers = system QB.
>. was that a serious post or are you trolling?
Both.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Pryor to Chip Kelly and the Browns for a 2nd rd pick
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You’re just kidding around right?
Cleveland giving up a two for Pryor?
January 4th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Rodgers def has some good weapons but he has no running game and he’s still a boss. Palmer could be damn good if we can get a number one WR and go back to the power game for dmac we will see Palmer flourish it’s to bad we couldn’t gave seen Palmer and dmac in hue jacks system this past year we would have been slot better than 4 and 12
January 4th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Later J.
January 4th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Rodgers def has some good weapons but he has no running game and he’s still a boss. Palmer could be damn good if we can get a number one WR and go back to the power game for dmac we will see Palmer flourish it’s to bad we couldn’t gave seen Palmer and dmac in hue jacks system this past year we would have been slot better than 4 and 12
>> palmer is good until RM finds the next guy in the draft. as far as roders just look at the guys stats in 11 and 12. 84 tds and 14 ints. thats unheard of. and of course AD was happy with kerry Collins in 05.damn
January 4th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
I def think were ok for now with Palmer like I said I think he can be damn good for us we need to get him some better targets tho we have a bunch 2 3 4 type WR guys we need a bonifide number 1 go to guy and get dmac back on track with the power sceme and a right tackle wouldnt hurt Palmer will ball out I kno he throws picks sometimes at the worst times but I think he can be a baller in the right system
January 4th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
And Rodgers numbers r absolutely ridiculous
January 4th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Raiderdebo I think he’s a little bit better than favre wouldn’t u say
January 5th, 2013 at 12:09 am
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Raiderdebo I think he’s a little bit better than favre wouldn’t u say
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Uhhhh, no.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2013 at 4:07 pm
OC Candidates.
Not a lot of candidates stand out from around the League, but a few names might be worth checking out.
Atlanta’s OL Coach and former Fresno State HC Pat Hill, he’s older at 65 I think, but is well respected.
San Francisco’s QB Coach Geep Chryst, another older guy in his 60’s and hasn’t called plays in years, but his work with Alex Smith and Kapernick is intriguing but you always have to winder how much of it was Harbaugh.
Chicago Bears QB Coach Jeremy Bates, he’s young at 36 and his star has dwindled afer a failed 1 year stiny at Seattle but he was considered a rising star in coaching just a couple of years ago, a Gruden and Shanahan disciple.
Indianapolis QB Coach Clyde Christensen, at 56 he’s been in Indy in different capacities for over a decade, worked with Manning as OC, Luck as QB Coach and Marvin Harrison-Reggie Wayne as WR Coach.
I think each of those guys is worth an interview in case they’re interested in the job, Jeremy Bates would be my first interview, followed by Christensen.
And get someone who is willing to study and learn the Pistol-zone-read-whatever so he can implement it into our offense, red-zone packages with TP would be a good way to start.
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I know it sounds silly, but why not bring Hue Jackson back. Not that I love him as a person, but he knows the players we have on offense, and has proven to be highly effective with them. And the HC is stable enough thanks to the GM that he doesn’t have to worry about anyone in-house taking his job away.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:13 am
And, we brought back Knapp as OC after we fired him. But the difference is we fired Knapp for being ineffective.
Or we have our current “Offensive Quality Control” or whatever the heck they call him this year LOL
Or, there’s a few others that would be higher on my list.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:18 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Manassamauler says:
>> Impact player needed for Offense is a QB, thats it rest takes care of itself. Raiders haven’t had a franchise type QB since gannon(maybe). I don’t think Palmer OR pryor fit that definition. but if I’m wrong GOOD. on defense this team 2 PASS RUSHERS. or at least 1. that would fix a lot of problems on D. we all know RM will either draft the best pass rusher available at 3 or trade down and STILL draft the best pass rusher available..
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I agree. I notice the bulk of our sacks came in the last 4 games as well and coincided with our leap in stopping people. Still weren’t a ton of sacks but the pressure was there alot more.
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Defense did show some signs of life and good improvement down the stretch. It’s the opposite of last year. Last year if we found a good DC and kept our offense intact with Hue we would’ve finished with a winning record. Next year, if we can find someone that can maximize our talent on offense, I feel our defense should be descent next year. Not what DA wants where he can just run run run and be a #1 defense and win. But, good enough that with our weapons on offense, if someone uses them we’ll be good.
My problem is that DA doesn’t seem to be innovative and creative. He seems very mechanical and “stick to what we know”. But that’s not what’s winning in the NFL. That’s the way to stay a step behind.
Look at what happened to Denver’s defense the year he left. They’re top 5 now (and were #24 or something last year when he was DC). That’s a bad sign.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:35 am
Greg Knapp. I know this may be an unpopular thing to say but i kind of feel sorry for the poor sap.
I remember him saying at the start of the yr. that his goal was to be a HC someday in the NFL. He really felt he would get a HC gig at some point.
After this yr. and failing like he has in Oakland, it may well be his death knell. He only has himself to blame.
The results doom him anyway. We talk here about how 8-8 was a “mirage” under Hue etc. but all the national media, and the general opinion is he took a decent offense and basically ruined it.
He has to realize the fans and media don’t like to hear about being patient and understanding.
He must really hate the Raiders at this point. He’s been fired twice now by Oakland and his chances for ever being a HC are pretty much history.
I don’t see his name popping up as a potential HC or OC.
I wonder if he’ll ever get a QB coah gig again?
I would guess he would.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:44 am
I imagine Knapp is telling everybody who’ll listen how he had a plan etc, and how everything was on the verge of clicking and Oakland was just too impatient to let it play out.
I always got the vibe from Knapp that he felt he was doing us a favor coming here in the first place. The constant name dropping “Well, when I was in Houston” etc. Or my favorite “When I was in SF and they were wrapping up their 5th Super Bowl” etc. etc.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:49 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Organizations win SB’s NOT QB’s. The best pocket passer in histroy lost to a mobile QB when Montana beat Marino. Mobility is a positive not a negative.
Just because you are mobile doesn’t mean you cannot play as well as Brady from the pocket it just mean you have an added quality Brady does not ie; RG3.
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And this is where the argument goes off the rails. Mobility does hurt your passing development. You only get so many hours and reps to learn how to play football, from the peewees through high school, college, the pros. For every play where you either take off running after a short time not finding someone open or go off on an option run instead of running another passing play, you lose an opportunity to hone your passing skill.
The pure pocket passers don’t have a choice. All that they do on nearly every rep of their career is stand there longer, more patiently, and read the living crap out of the situation down field. Those that fail to do that don’t make it to the next level. Those that have mobility as a fall back can get to the next level, but they do it at the expense of developing that extra edge in the passing game.
RGIII is a great example. They said he didn’t even know what a passing tree was when he came to the NFL. the offense he ran in college was so simplified because with his running talent he could get away with it. Say what you want, but that stunted his development and readiness for the NFL. Can he learn from here? Sure, but he’s several steps behind. If he needed to no way can he just stand back there and become a pocket passer. In that mode, a mediocre guy like Weeden would outplay him because his development in that mode is much further progressed.
Meanwhile, the running does expose him to more damage to his body. The odds of him running into (pun intended) and injury that either prevents him from playing are high. The odds of running into an injury that he can play through but not be able to risk more injury are even higher, at which point he has to become a much less mobile pocket passer. And then he’ll fall on his face.
If you don’t believe that, just look at the difference in numbers when another, far lower accolades rookie played exactly in RGIII’s position. As more of a pocket passer he put up numbers in the air better than RGIII did in every one of his starts before or after. Different kind of player, different results.
As I said before, the simple adjustment to this fad of read option is to maximize QB abuse. The play style exposes them to it and NFL defenses are very capable of dishing it. It will happen. Enjoy your fad while it lasts, because it’s not for long.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Reggie:
–>Exactly how much does the salary cap hinder you?
–>Does this team now want to operate at below cap to get more revenue?
–>Why the 7 million in cap savings with talent level, on defense particularly, so low and without “depth” as you put it?
Dennis Allen:
–>Exactly what offensive “scheme” will fit the offense players that we currently have? (with a season of experience now)
–>Did you know that last year even 9 out of 10 bloggers KNEW that Greg Knapp, a retread previous failure here, would not work out?
–>At the beginning of last year, why did you not just stick with Saunders as OC to keep continuity on a functioning offense that players flourished in?
–> Was it your ego or lack of experience?
January 5th, 2013 at 12:54 am
Denver’s defense played great the year before with Tebow, it’s just now they have a master quarterback that controls the game for a full game.
January 5th, 2013 at 12:54 am
RaiderDebo Says:
January 5th, 2013 at 12:09 am
ian85 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Raiderdebo I think he’s a little bit better than favre wouldn’t u say
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Uhhhh, no.
>> Rodgers is already more accomplished than the INT machine known as Brett “sexting” favre
January 5th, 2013 at 12:56 am
Zymurge Says:
January 5th, 2013 at 12:49 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Organizations win SB’s NOT QB’s. The best pocket passer in histroy lost to a mobile QB when Montana beat Marino. Mobility is a positive not a negative.
Just because you are mobile doesn’t mean you cannot play as well as Brady from the pocket it just mean you have an added quality Brady does not ie; RG3.
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And this is where the argument goes off the rails. Mobility does hurt your passing development. You only get so many hours and reps to learn how to play football, from the peewees through high school, college, the pros. For every play where you either take off running after a short time not finding someone open or go off on an option run instead of running another passing play, you lose an opportunity to hone your passing skill.
The pure pocket passers don’t have a choice. All that they do on nearly every rep of their career is stand there longer, more patiently, and read the living crap out of the situation down field. Those that fail to do that don’t make it to the next level. Those that have mobility as a fall back can get to the next level, but they do it at the expense of developing that extra edge in the passing game.
RGIII is a great example. They said he didn’t even know what a passing tree was when he came to the NFL. the offense he ran in college was so simplified because with his running talent he could get away with it. Say what you want, but that stunted his development and readiness for the NFL. Can he learn from here? Sure, but he’s several steps behind. If he needed to no way can he just stand back there and become a pocket passer. In that mode, a mediocre guy like Weeden would outplay him because his development in that mode is much further progressed.
Meanwhile, the running does expose him to more damage to his body. The odds of him running into (pun intended) and injury that either prevents him from playing are high. The odds of running into an injury that he can play through but not be able to risk more injury are even higher, at which point he has to become a much less mobile pocket passer. And then he’ll fall on his face.
If you don’t believe that, just look at the difference in numbers when another, far lower accolades rookie played exactly in RGIII’s position. As more of a pocket passer he put up numbers in the air better than RGIII did in every one of his starts before or after. Different kind of player, different results.
As I said before, the simple adjustment to this fad of read option is to maximize QB abuse. The play style exposes them to it and NFL defenses are very capable of dishing it. It will happen. Enjoy your fad while it lasts, because it’s not for long.
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What happens once Brady and Manning retire?
the pecking order will be
Rothelisberger
Brees
Rivers (up and down recently)
RGIII (mobile)
Ponder (mobile)
Luck (mobile and pocket passer)
Wilson (mobile)
Kaepernick (mobile)
Romo (non clutch)
Stafford (non clutch)
Matty Ice (non clutch thus far)
Schaub (non clutch)
Flacco (see above)
Weeden (holding back laughter)
other QBs – Murray (2014 draft as of now)
Barkley (insert USC qb joke here)
Logan Thomas (2014 draft as of now)
Glennon
there will be a shortage of QBs to pass the torch, meaning DEFENSES will catch
up.
January 5th, 2013 at 1:01 am
Steve Young and John Elway were Superbowl winners that had good legs. But they were definitely not gimmick QBs like we seem to have nowadays–the tim tebows of the world.
It seems that these mobil qbs nowadays refuse to improve upon their throwing motion. Corkran mentioned in his livechat that although Terrell Pryor had a good game vs SD, he had not improved his throwing motion in 2 years since college. I would think that he would put in the work during that span. He has to get the next level to become effective in the pro-game.
January 5th, 2013 at 1:02 am
And this is where the argument goes off the rails. Mobility does hurt your passing development. You only get so many hours and reps to learn how to play football, from the peewees through high school, college, the pros. For every play where you either take off running after a short time not finding someone open or go off on an option run instead of running another passing play, you lose an opportunity to hone your passing skill.
The pure pocket passers don’t have a choice. All that they do on nearly every rep of their career is stand there longer, more patiently, and read the living crap out of the situation down field. Those that fail to do that don’t make it to the next level. Those that have mobility as a fall back can get to the next level, but they do it at the expense of developing that extra edge in the passing game.
RGIII is a great example. They said he didn’t even know what a passing tree was when he came to the NFL. the offense he ran in college was so simplified because with his running talent he could get away with it. Say what you want, but that stunted his development and readiness for the NFL. Can he learn from here? Sure, but he’s several steps behind. If he needed to no way can he just stand back there and become a pocket passer. In that mode, a mediocre guy like Weeden would outplay him because his development in that mode is much further progressed.
Meanwhile, the running does expose him to more damage to his body. The odds of him running into (pun intended) and injury that either prevents him from playing are high. The odds of running into an injury that he can play through but not be able to risk more injury are even higher, at which point he has to become a much less mobile pocket passer. And then he’ll fall on his face.
If you don’t believe that, just look at the difference in numbers when another, far lower accolades rookie played exactly in RGIII’s position. As more of a pocket passer he put up numbers in the air better than RGIII did in every one of his starts before or after. Different kind of player, different results.
As I said before, the simple adjustment to this fad of read option is to maximize QB abuse. The play style exposes them to it and NFL defenses are very capable of dishing it. It will happen. Enjoy your fad while it lasts, because it’s not for long.
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Pure selective garbage, IMO. As if John Elway, Roger Staubach, Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw never existed.
Gnite Gents.
January 5th, 2013 at 1:44 am
What happens once Brady and Manning retire?
the pecking order will be
Rothelisberger
Brees
Rivers (up and down recently)
RGIII (mobile)
Ponder (mobile)
Luck (mobile and pocket passer)
Wilson (mobile)
Kaepernick (mobile)
Romo (non clutch)
Stafford (non clutch)
Matty Ice (non clutch thus far)
Schaub (non clutch)
Flacco (see above)
Weeden (holding back laughter)
other QBs – Murray (2014 draft as of now)
Barkley (insert USC qb joke here)
Logan Thomas (2014 draft as of now)
Glennon
there will be a shortage of QBs to pass the torch, meaning DEFENSES will catch
up.
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First, mobile is not the same as running. Luck is mobile, Romo is mobile, Roeth is mobile, Flacco is mobile … all in a way that they can buy plenty of extra time in the pocket. Even Palmer showed more of this type of mobility than I, or I imagine any here thought he would. He’s not in the class of the guys above, but that’s not my point.
In your list, you kind of forget a few guys that it turns out are kind of decent based on their being in the playoffs this or last year:
- Rodgers (SB ring and a good 7-8 years left on him)
- the other Manning (SB ring and play style that can carry him another 8+ years)
- Dalton (still on the upside of his development and already solid)
Then some up and coming young guys that threw for solid completion percentages despite having surrounding cast issues. One or more are going to end up being damn good and probably sticking around for 10 plus years:
- Foles
- Tannenhill
- Bradford
And some 2013 prospects that show the potential to tear it up through the air:
- Ryan Nassib
- Tyler Wilson
- Mike Glennon
Not a sure fire class like past years, but they all are fairly polished, good sized with strong arms, show the ability to run a pro style offense. One or two could pan out if they land in the right situation where they could back up a veteran for a year or two. Imagine with Belicheat would do to develop one of them to be his Brady replacement. One could easily supplant Campbell as the backup in Chicago where Cutler is an inevitible to get himself out of the line up one way another. That kid would inherit a team with a decent defense, solid running game and a guy named Brandon Marshall to throw to. That would pave the way for some Matt Ryan like development.
I’m not at all concerned about the NFL QB roster a few years from now. The pipeline doesn’t look any stronger or weaker than before. If anything, the fad with dual threat (even with a watered down passing threat) QBs will attract some subset of the teams that will chase that pipe dream. That will leave less pro-style offenses that will be better catering to the pool of the best up and coming pro style passers, giving them a better chance to land in a system designed for their success. The next Mannings and Bradys will be developed, while the era of the Rodgers, Brees, Ryans have their run at the top over the next couple of years.
January 5th, 2013 at 2:57 am
What are ya’lls thoughts on Omar Gaither being our Starting MLB next year? If we pass on Manti TEO?
January 5th, 2013 at 3:04 am
Zymurge Says:
January 5th, 2013 at 1:44 am
What happens once Brady and Manning retire?
the pecking order will be
Rothelisberger
Brees
Rivers (up and down recently)
RGIII (mobile)
Ponder (mobile)
Luck (mobile and pocket passer)
Wilson (mobile)
Kaepernick (mobile)
Romo (non clutch)
Stafford (non clutch)
Matty Ice (non clutch thus far)
Schaub (non clutch)
Flacco (see above)
Weeden (holding back laughter)
other QBs – Murray (2014 draft as of now)
Barkley (insert USC qb joke here)
Logan Thomas (2014 draft as of now)
Glennon
there will be a shortage of QBs to pass the torch, meaning DEFENSES will catch
up.
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First, mobile is not the same as running. Luck is mobile, Romo is mobile, Roeth is mobile, Flacco is mobile … all in a way that they can buy plenty of extra time in the pocket. Even Palmer showed more of this type of mobility than I, or I imagine any here thought he would. He’s not in the class of the guys above, but that’s not my point.
In your list, you kind of forget a few guys that it turns out are kind of decent based on their being in the playoffs this or last year:
- Rodgers (SB ring and a good 7-8 years left on him)
- the other Manning (SB ring and play style that can carry him another 8+ years)
- Dalton (still on the upside of his development and already solid)
Then some up and coming young guys that threw for solid completion percentages despite having surrounding cast issues. One or more are going to end up being damn good and probably sticking around for 10 plus years:
- Foles
- Tannenhill
- Bradford
And some 2013 prospects that show the potential to tear it up through the air:
- Ryan Nassib
- Tyler Wilson
- Mike Glennon
Not a sure fire class like past years, but they all are fairly polished, good sized with strong arms, show the ability to run a pro style offense. One or two could pan out if they land in the right situation where they could back up a veteran for a year or two. Imagine with Belicheat would do to develop one of them to be his Brady replacement. One could easily supplant Campbell as the backup in Chicago where Cutler is an inevitible to get himself out of the line up one way another. That kid would inherit a team with a decent defense, solid running game and a guy named Brandon Marshall to throw to. That would pave the way for some Matt Ryan like development.
I’m not at all concerned about the NFL QB roster a few years from now. The pipeline doesn’t look any stronger or weaker than before. If anything, the fad with dual threat (even with a watered down passing threat) QBs will attract some subset of the teams that will chase that pipe dream. That will leave less pro-style offenses that will be better catering to the pool of the best up and coming pro style passers, giving them a better chance to land in a system designed for their success. The next Mannings and Bradys will be developed, while the era of the Rodgers, Brees, Ryans have their run at the top over the next couple of years.
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I stand corrected, leaving Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers (suddenly quite ordinary against better defenses) and Andy Dalton (jury still out)
Peter King predict Raiders will release Palmer in offseason, so a “pocket presence type” could come in.
Ryan have his run? yeah right. We can develop a QB if we dont blow this OC position….have to get a good one (if we draft later Tyler Bray, Mike Glennon or Aaron Murray (although he has yet to declare)
January 5th, 2013 at 3:05 am
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Why don’t those that promote the ‘athletic’ QBs on here promote Teabow and the kid from KS like they do people like Pryor and Newton?They all have good arms with weird throwing motions.They all win in college.There is only one difference yet Teabow and the kid from KS are dismissed.What the hell is the difference?
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Good post Lefty.
January 5th, 2013 at 3:12 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I was never a Campbell fan and it had nothing to do with his color and yes, I’d still take Grads over him in a second. I don’t like check down passers. Campbell was exactly that. He was terrible that first season and whenever Grads came in he instantly sparked the offense and started completing passes downfield.
Campbell was much better the second year. But we won games with Campbell because DMac was tearing it up and Bush provided a solid secondary punch in the running game and Hue Jack was a GREAT play caller.
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True that.
Campbell was a really hard working, likable, guy but he was pretty much Captain checkdown.
Bush is still being underated on this blog since he was really important to McFadden’s success. McKenzie would have kept him if Hue hadn’t left the team in cap hell.
Was Hue a good play caller.
He was one hell of a lot better than Knapp. Hue was a pretty good OC despite some mistakes. Like Norv, he was just out of his depth as HC.
January 5th, 2013 at 3:12 am
wish someone would leak who we might be interviewing for OC!
January 5th, 2013 at 3:24 am
They may be waiting for the playoffs to end before interviewing for OC.
It would be nice to have an idea though.
January 5th, 2013 at 3:41 am
I wonder how Jameel McClains Rehab is going????
January 5th, 2013 at 3:47 am
Cards interested in Mike McCoy & Ray Horton
Chip Kelly to Browns
Andy Reid to Chiefs
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Who wants to bet all 3 of these teams will hire OC’s & ST Coaches before Reggie?
then we’ll be stuck with Al Saunders and a rookie ST coordinator (or Burns will be promoted). Boo!
January 5th, 2013 at 3:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 5th, 2013 at 3:47 am
Cards interested in Mike McCoy & Ray Horton
Chip Kelly to Browns
Andy Reid to Chiefs
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Who wants to bet all 3 of these teams will hire OC’s & ST Coaches before Reggie?
then we’ll be stuck with Al Saunders and a rookie ST coordinator (or Burns will be promoted). Boo!
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Maybe they are waiting till the playoff teams shake out to get some of their coordinators?
January 5th, 2013 at 3:51 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 5th, 2013 at 3:05 am
lefty12 Says:
January 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Why don’t those that promote the ‘athletic’ QBs on here promote Teabow and the kid from KS like they do people like Pryor and Newton?They all have good arms with weird throwing motions.They all win in college.There is only one difference yet Teabow and the kid from KS are dismissed.What the hell is the difference?
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Good post Lefty.
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Please see Patriot-Bronco playoff game, and Lions-Bronco regular season with Tebow
as for Klein – see Oregon bowl game
i have seen some mocks with Klein getting drafted late
January 5th, 2013 at 3:52 am
Reggie isn’t very creative. He might simply be waiting for a chance to interview a Packers offensive assistant to be our next OC:
Quarterbacks – Ben McAdoo
Running Backs – Alex Van Pelt
Wide Receivers – Edgar Bennett
Tight Ends – Jerry Fontenot
Offensive Line – James Campen
January 5th, 2013 at 4:09 am