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QB Pryor talks about season, moving forward

Second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor finally got an opportunity to play in a regular-season game this year. He also received his first start, in the regular-season finale against the San Diego Chargers.
A day after the game, Pryor paused to reflect upon his performance in that game, his two years with the Raiders and how he intends to work on improving during the offseason.
Here’s the transcript from the 13-minute interview in the locker room before Pryor departed Alameda for the final time in 2012:

Q: Thoughts after watching tape from Sunday’s game?
Pryor: “Actually, just when I met with, I went into coach Flip’s office, he pointed out a couple of things that I did. The flag we got, I threw a bomb to DHB, he just mentioned that if I would have faked it and stayed back on it, I would have had better vision. Instead of a penalty, we would have completed it. I agreed with him on that. Also, there’s a couple of plays I missed, whether it was miscommunication with me and the receivers. It’s just, I haven’t had a lot of reps with the guys, so it’s tough to be on (the same) page. But, just for going out and having fun and trying to get some plays, draw ‘em up and make them work, I thought we did a decent job. My biggest thing is, before I went to bed I was very mad at myself that I didn’t get out of bounds because we could have had a field goal. D.A. preaches that all the time. All I was trying to do was make him miss. I knew because when I was running, I was looking at the clock. I knew I had to get out but I ended up slipping. I didn’t get out. I was very mad about that because that’s my time where I’m a leader. That’s an example that he can show. ‘T.P. got out of bounds on this play and this is the type of stuff we need.’ I didn’t do it, so.”

Q: You got out of the huddle on time, no penalties, no sacks, plenty to build on?
Pryor: “Oh, yeah, like I said, them guys had 11 sacks, I was telling you guys on Wednesday about the Jets and stuff like that. I got rid of the ball well. There’s a couple of accuracy things that I need to fix. I was telling you yesterday, when guys are in my lap, with the flick wrist, I need to work on that a little bit. I need to make sure I complete that. That pick I threw, that’s what happened. Them guys were in my lap, but in the NFL you got to make those throws and I experienced that firsthand yesterday. So, I appreciate it more. Definitely it’s something to build off of. I wish we could have won, obviously, but it’s something to build off of. I’m very excited that I started. I can go home and can feel like somehow hold my head up high that I accomplished one of my goals of starting at least one game and lead the guys like I know how to do.”

Q: Any part of you that feels as if you should be considered for the starting job?
Pryor: “I don’t want to get into thoughts of that because I respect Carson as a human being, as a guy that, when everybody counted me out as a quarterback, said I couldn’t do this or that, he’s the one that said, ‘I believe in you.’ He’s told me so many times that he believes in me. No disrespect to you guys, I just don’t want to get into comments about that because I love the guy as a human being, I love him for the father he is to his kids, the husband he is to his wife, and I love him as a teammate. I love the guy and I really don’t want to discuss that.”

Q: Thoughts on learning a new offense now that Greg Knapp is gone?
Pryor: “Like coach Flip said, ‘You grinded hard learning Greg’s offense. You know that offense. Last year you were kind of getting kind of involved with Hue, so there’s not many other different ways you can learn an offense.’ So, when the OC gets in here, I’m going to be in here and I want to know exactly, I want the playbook, I want to start getting on it. I’m sad that Greg left. Really loved the guy as a coach. He’s a great coach. That’s the business. Coach Allen, like he said at the team meeting, he made the best decision. Whether we agree with it or not, it doesn’t matter. We have a great leader in D.A. I believe in him. Everybody in the locker room believes in him. He’s our leader. Now we leaders that are going to step up and say, ‘Alright, you guys get on our back, and I’m going to lead.’ That’s what we need from guys. We’re going to have that starting in February. I hope guys are accountable, we can hold guys accountable to be here and get some good work in here in February, when they open the doors.”

Q: Do you think you could have helped a little more if they’d used you in red zone earlier this season than they did?
Pryor: “I believe in my abilities 100 percent. Whether I am or not, I think I’m the best athlete on the field. I’m not saying that in a cocky way at all. That’s just the person that I am. I believe I can make plays. I believe I have energy to get guys going. That’s just who I am. I think so. But like I said, we had a good OC. It’s hard putting in a first-year offense and trying to get a hold of it. I know a lot of guys didn’t have a hold of it great. So it’s tough. But yeah, I believe I could have helped.”

Q: Is it odd in a way that you did get your opportunity because Carson was hurt?
Pryor: “I think that’s God’s way of saying me and Carson and Matt were here, and it time for me to show that I can contribute in some way. I’m a big believer and follower of the Lord, so whatever happened is why it happened. That’s where my belief is.”

Q: Was it almost like riding a bike Sunday? The last time you started a game was the Sugar Bowl.
A: “Definitely. I was down yesterday, but what made me feel good was when Khalif Barnes came up to me after the game on the plane and was like, ‘You did a great job. Got us in and out of the huddle. Sometimes you mumbled out the plays and you weren’t sure, but you jumped right back on it and were like, OK, this is the play. You had us upbeat. You were moving us, had us excited, had some energy. ‘ He said, ‘I love that.’ And he said, ‘The thing I loved the most about you,’ and I didn’t really understand it until he explained it a little more, he said, ‘When you threw that pick, you came back in the huddle and you (were like) nothing happened. OK, let’s go.’ I was amazed. It’s funny how guys look at everything about you. Everything. I remember the coach this morning, he was saying, ‘You were talking to defensive guys when they were about to go on the field, and their eyes snapped and they all paid attention to you. They were all alert when you were talking. As soon as you started talking, they were looking right at you. They didn’t even listen to the coaches, giving them details on the next series.’ That’s footsteps, and that’s a blessing that guys look up to me and have energy from me.”

Q: How important is that? I look at what you did when Mike (Goodson) was in the fight and you were barking at him. How important is that for you to have that respect?
Pryor: “I think that’s huge. I think this team needs leadership, whether it’s multiple guys leading or two or three guys. We need it. You look at all the top teams right now going to the playoffs. They have leaders, great leaders on offense and defense, maybe multiples. I think leadership is key because the guys are going to follow and get energy from a certain guy. You have to be able to lead and they have to believe that you’re always in the game.”

Q: As a guy who hadn’t played, was there ever any question in your mind whether they would have your back so quickly? Or was it something you thought would take awhile?
Pryor: “This week at practice was amazing. Like the strength coach here was saying, just your voice fluctuation, just the way you carried yourself, you were different. You were a different person.”

Q: Did you feel different?
Pryor: “A lot different. I felt in full command. I was excited. I had so much energy. I love that.”

Q: How tough is that when you have that much energy and now you have to shut it down?
Pryor: “During the game Knapp was like, ‘Calm down,’ because I was so excited. I was upbeat. I was like, ‘Come on guys, let’s go.’ Maybe too much, but that’s just who I am. I’m a very fiery guy. I love to go out and compete. I’m so proud of the guys that we came back. We were playing bad at first. I’m excited.”

Q: What do you pinpoint to work on this offseason?
Pryor: “What I’m going to do is, what I really want to do is get the film cut up from this past game and see what I could have did better, make some workouts, some drills from that. ‘Cause the movements that I made yesterday, it’s only going to get better in the pocket. But when I’m out scrambling, I just want to see how, just keep performing it so it’s even more second nature. It’s already second nature but just make it more.”

Q: What was going through your head when you were throwing the ball, putting touch on it?
Pryor: “What I learned, and even Carson was telling me that, throughout his years, you’re going to make different throws. Some of them got to have touch, some of them got to be zipped, some of them got to be thrown sidearm, some fo them got to be thrown without a wrist or follow-through. The one without the follow-throughs really messed me up yesterday. Because I never experienced guys in my lap. In practice, you’re not allowed to come nowhere near me. It was just different. But now that I know, I’m going to have my big brother — he’s 6-5, about 350 — and I’m going to have him stand right in front of me and I’m just going to throw. Throw seam balls, 30 yards, so I can’t miss it.

Q: You and Norv Turner?
Pryor: “I swear that he was messing with me a little bit during the game. Even before the game he was like, he gave me some praise and also said, Go out and have some fun. Cut it loose. It was weird. It was a weird connection me and him had. I don’t know.”

Q: Ever met him before?
Pryor: “No, never.”

Q: Might be your coordinator coming up?
Pryor: “That’s maybe what he was hinting at. I don’t know.”

Q: The Norv and Terrelle Show?
Pryor: “I don’t know, but I’m sure DA and Mr. McKenzie will definitely find the guy that’s going to fit and is going to lead us to next year.”

Q: How fine a line between frustration and challenging to have to learn a third NFL offense in three years next year?
Pryor: “Hey, I look at it as exciting and something to look forward to. A lot of people say that you have to be in the same offense. Yeah, it would help. It definitely would because everything would become second nature. But there’s only so many flat, curl-flat reads or there’s only so many reads. You’ve just got to get the concept, the language and I believe, I look at myself a a smart guy and a lot of people view me as that, too. And I don’t think I’ll have a problem with that. It’s going to have to be more urgent now. If I want to have a chance to be able to lead this team one day, I need to be urgent, learn stuff fast and have the footwork intact, fast. And that’s what I’m going to be very focused on.”

Q: Having waited so long for opportunity, was it everything you hoped for?
Pryor: “Yeah, I wanted to lead this team, any way I could. Whether it was a couple of plays or whatever. I just wanted to get on the field and try to earn respect of my teammates. That’s all I could ask for. I had the opportunity to do that yesterday.”

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  • guest123

    Denver (-8 1/2) vs Baltimore O/U 46
    New England (-9) vs Houston O/U 45
    San Francisco (-2 1/2) vs Green Bay O/U 45 1/2
    Atlanta (-2 1/2) vs Seattle O/U 47 1/2

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    What’s the best play this weekend?

  • boss01

    Reggie, call Sparano in for an interview as long as it isn’t for the OC position, more like the OL position.

    Good god was he awful as the OC this year, even worse than Knapp dare I say.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Bob Marley Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
    DennisAllensVisor Says:

    Like i’ve stated for weeks.

    Miami & STL are the only trade partners possible AT THIS POINT.

    —————————————————

    What about Chicago and San Diego making a play for Joeckel?.

    Nobody needs a Left Tackle more than those 2 teams, they are going as far as Rivers and Cutler take them and as we have seen over the last couple of years, it won’t be far if they can’t protect them.

    —-

    The need is definately there.

    But the ammo to trade up isnt quite there.

  • DutchRaider77

    So looked at Walter Football mock and they have us picking Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

    Haven’t seen him mentioned at all in here, what is his deal?

  • boss01

    CBS Sports mock draft has Jarvis Jones as the no.3 pick.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Miami has an extra 2nd, 3rd & 7th this year.

    St. Louis has an extra 1st this year. And an extra 1st in 2014.

    San Francisco has an extra 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th this year.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Star is fine, so is Joeckel and Damontre, maybe Millliner, still early.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    So looked at Walter Football mock and they have us picking Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

    Haven’t seen him mentioned at all in here, what is his deal?

    —-

    You really havent seen us talking about him?

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Bob Marley Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    Star is fine, so is Joeckel and Damontre, maybe Millliner, still early.

    —-

    No way in h, e, double hockey sticks are we taking Milliner at #3.

  • Dakota

    I happen to be a fan of McFadden, if you didn’t already know.

    Should we trade him? Sure, if the deal is right. A high second round pick would be fine with me.

    Plus, I would love to see what McFadden could do on a legit NFL team.

    However, I simply think that the potential reward of keeping him at this point outweighs the possible benefits derived from trading him.

    We get back a player that may or may not develop (third or fourth rounder say), for a player that we know CAN BE a stud. Injuries are a concern, but we can sign an insurance RB just in case. If Knapp was coming back I would solidly be on the side of trading him (and all our other good young players on offense because why waste their talents with knapp?), or if we bring back the ZBS….he obviously has trouble with that.

    But if we get the right OC, and move back to a PBS (which fits our young o-linemen better as well), and with a full offseason to get McFadden healed up from that foot injury, then we MIGHT get the 2010-early 11 version of McFadden back, and that is worth WAY more than a third or fourth rounder we are likely to get for him right now.

    I know, there are a lot of if there, but really the likelihood of getting a second rounder for him at this point are very low.

    Just my view.

  • bcz24

    1444.Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    I don’t see a guy that valuable at the top this year, so we would have to settle for below market value on the draft chart to get the deal done.

    *********************************

    Smartest thing I read on the topic.

    Don’t know who said it, but good job.
    ***********
    Thank you

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Pass rush [DE/OLB]
    O-Line [RT,G]
    Linebacker
    Nose Tackle
    Corner Back
    Tight End

    In that order.

  • Moose

    Cant see Reg having the patience to wait after last year

  • Dakota

    bcz24 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
    1444.Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
    I don’t see a guy that valuable at the top this year, so we would have to settle for below market value on the draft chart to get the deal done.

    *********************************

    Smartest thing I read on the topic.

    Don’t know who said it, but good job.
    ***********
    Thank you
    ++++++++++++

    Still a lot of evaluating to be done prior to draft day lol.

    Who would have thought in January that so many teams would covet crap QBs in the 2011 draft?

    The #4 pick could become gold if teams fall in love with Geno Smith, or Barkley, or some DE….

  • Dakota

    #3 pick. I hate this phone!

  • guest123

    Retaining Knapp has nothing to do with DMC staying. If DA hires another ZBS type coach to replace DMC, might as well sell off DMC to a team that could use his skills. I know we all want to go back to primarily PBS system, but I think that’s wishful thinking. This is DMC’s final year of his contract and we will end up losing him for nothing next offseason. Get what you can now I say.

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Moose Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Cant see Reg having the patience to wait after last year

    —-

    Wouldnt be waiting. You would get picks this year and next.

    Reggie is all about the big picture.

    If anything that makes MORE sense to try and get their 1st next year…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Green Bay

    You get the best QB in the conference against a rookie, with points?

    Blasphemy

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Last nights game showed why/ How the game of football is won in the trenches.

    Also I hope next year we stop passing so dayum much. You need to get back to POWER RUN GAME FOOTBALL. Get big OLINE in the draft and lets get the running game back.

    U need to control the game and stop passing 50x a game.. thats why the raiders always lose when Carson throws for more then 350 yards.. Phug

  • DutchRaider77

    1458.DennisAllensVisor Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
    DutchRaider77 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    So looked at Walter Football mock and they have us picking Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

    Haven’t seen him mentioned at all in here, what is his deal?

    —-

    You really havent seen us talking about him?

    _________________________________________________

    Sorry, it was more of a hint-hint, what did you say…I remember you not being as high on the guy as the glowing review Walter gave him.

    Actually, the pick review talks more spack about Tommy Kelly that Star:

    “Meanwhile, Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s a thug who has played so sluggishly this year in the rare instances when he wasn’t trying to injure the opposing quarterback, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.”

    (Did not write this, Walter Football)

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    DRAFT OLINE .. (INTERIOR OLINE)

    Draft Barret Jones.. move Wiz back to guard. Take Long in 3rd round

  • DJ Johnny

    1454.DutchRaider77 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    So looked at Walter Football mock and they have us picking Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

    Haven’t seen him mentioned at all in here, what is his deal?

    Dutch, Guys have been talking him up alot in here actually. Supposedly this guy is a monster nose tackle…the kind you’d need if u were going with the 3/4.

    I say u can’t change your entire base defense cuz u have one guy to play the NT position. What if he gets injured? You would need some depth there.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    They are talking about Rolando Mclain on ESPN and what a vocal leader he was with Alabama. What the he11 happened!??!!?

  • guest123

    Green Bay

    You get the best QB in the conference against a rookie, with points?

    Blasphemy

    ******

    agreed.

    I’m thinking give me GB and the pts, and I’ll take Atlanta too at home against another rookie QB. The spread is too big in the AFC not to be tempted on the dogs. Maybe I’ll do a teaser to cover some risk.

  • Just Fire Baby

    There is at least 3 guys in this draft who will be better RB’s than Darren McFadden within a month of the NFL season.

    He could be another guy packaged with a pick to move up.

    That seems to be the trend, you don’t get a pick straight up for a player anymore, you have to package your early 3rd for a mid 2nd, etc.

    Like we did with Kirk Morrison, he was worth a whopping like 12 spots in the 4th round ,lol.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Last nights game showed why/ How the game of football is won in the trenches.

    ******************************

    It all showed you can have the best team and “trenches” and still get your doors blown off at home by the best QB (see Texas A & M game).

  • guest123

    and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.”

    ******

    lol

  • DJ Johnny

    1462.DennisAllensVisor Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Pass rush [DE/OLB]
    O-Line [RT,G]
    Linebacker
    Nose Tackle
    Corner Back
    Tight End

    In that order.

    Receivers would be very high on my list.

    We won’t be able to do anything with the drop happy schleps we have currently.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Only 3 teams in the NFL ran the ball more than they passed last year.

    And the Raiders were 18th in 3rd and 1 run conversion, ahead of Seattle and SF!!!!

    Suprised the hell out of me. Great website for some serious stat dorks like myself.

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/index.asp

  • Dan78

    Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
    They are talking about Rolando Mclain on ESPN and what a vocal leader he was with Alabama. What the he11 happened!??!!?
    —Sucka got paid…

  • Dakota

    DJ Johnny Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
    1454.DutchRaider77 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
    So looked at Walter Football mock and they have us picking Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

    Haven’t seen him mentioned at all in here, what is his deal?

    Dutch, Guys have been talking him up alot in here actually. Supposedly this guy is a monster nose tackle…the kind you’d need if u were going with the 3/4.

    I say u can’t change your entire base defense cuz u have one guy to play the NT position. What if he gets injured? You would need some depth there.
    ++++++++++++++

    A guy who can play NT can also play DT in a 4-3….It may not be a flashy pick, but you might be surprised at how good our LBers might look with a good DT who plays the run instead of going after the QB all the time.

  • Moose

    DennisAllensVisor Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    Moose Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
    Cant see Reg having the patience to wait after last year

    —-

    Wouldnt be waiting. You would get picks this year and next.

    Reggie is all about the big picture.

    If anything that makes MORE sense to try and get their 1st next year…

    Dont think he will trade #3 with a no-name defence without one impact player, more likely DMC is traded to recoup some late picks

  • Al_is_theraiders

    lol…within a month…comedy hour in here or what…

  • Dakota

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
    There is at least 3 guys in this draft who will be better RB’s than Darren McFadden within a month of the NFL season.

    He could be another guy packaged with a pick to move up.

    That seems to be the trend, you don’t get a pick straight up for a player anymore, you have to package your early 3rd for a mid 2nd, etc.

    Like we did with Kirk Morrison, he was worth a whopping like 12 spots in the 4th round ,lol.
    ++++++++++++++++

    Long-time McFadden hater + McClain Supporter + Knapp supporter.

    Sorry Vegas!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Here’s the stat on that, 3rd and 1 conversion ratio.

    Look at the Browns and their “elite” O-line and RB.

    They converted a stellar 31% of their 3rd and 1 runs.LMAO!!!!!

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Rushing&range=NFL&rank=016

  • DennisAllensVisor

    DJ Johnny Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
    1462.DennisAllensVisor Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
    Pass rush [DE/OLB]
    O-Line [RT,G]
    Linebacker
    Nose Tackle
    Corner Back
    Tight End

    In that order.

    Receivers would be very high on my list.

    We won’t be able to do anything with the drop happy schleps we have currently.

    —-

    But we have bodies at WR.

    The other positions we dont even have bodies, nevermind the need.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Long-time McFadden hater + McClain Supporter + Knapp supporter.

    **************************

    Hey 1 out of 3 is better than the Cleveland Browns conversion ratio on 3rd and 1 running plays, lol.

  • Just Fire Baby

    18 of the 32 teams converted less than 50% of running plays on 3rd and 1.

    Either you QB sneak it, or pass it today on 3rd and 1.

    Running plays simply do not work. The Seahawks and 49ers converted them at 41 and 38%.

    That is shatty poor.

  • http://www.raiders.com Oakglen

    KoolKell Says:
    January 7th, 2013 at 3:55 pm

    Scourge Says:
    January 7th, 2013 at 3:52 pm

    Beeech, I think old Marie Kane is on Kell’s *ss to make cold calls tryin to sell that listing he’s had for so long.
    —————-

    I sold that in November. Thanks.
    ==========================

    http://kaneandassociatesrealtors.com/default.asp.f-listings_byagent.agentid-9788

    You are such a liar.

    You had no listings in the last 15 months except that one shack, that still remains unsold.

    Why do you lie?

  • guest123

    I don’t hate McFadden, but his shelf life is akin to a couple days away from the expiration date on a gallon of milk. It would be wise to pawn him off on somebody as their reclamation project. Besides if Bush got paid $14 million, what do you think DMC will get if stays healthy and produces 2010 like stats? We can’t afford him if he reaches his upside and we are stuck with zero trade value after the season if he does get hurt because he’s a UFA.

  • http://www.raiders.com Oakglen

    Kell? why did you post a link to a website that proves you are a failure?
    wasn’t your brightest move, was it?

  • DennisAllensVisor

    You create a void by trading McFadden.

    High caliber player with manageable cap figure going into a contract year…Not sure that makes sense to trade.

  • guest123

    High caliber player

    ********

    says who?

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders must draft one of the three premier pass rushers: Werner DE, FSU; Moore DE, Texas A&M, or Jones DE, GA.

    Reggie should move back if two or more are still availble; I could see Philly or Detoirt moving up into Raiders’ third position to draft Loeckel.

    there are no QBs or CBs worth the #3 overall.

  • guest123

    Redskins filled their need at RB in the 6th round with the ZBS. Not hardly the void you think it is.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Should Reggie use our one of of our late round picks or a player to combine to with our third to move up into the second round?

  • DJ Johnny

    1445.guest123 Says:
    January 8th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
    “some guy named Louis Wright of the Bronco’s.”

    you don’t know Louis Wright? SMH

    I think Louis Wright was one of the guys who picked off two of Kenny Stablers 7 int’s in a 30-7 loss at home in 1978.

    Don’t worry. We got em back a couple weeks later when we bolted out to a 24-0 lead at Mile High before Craig Morton hit on a couple of garbage td’s late in a 24-14 Raider victory.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Trade Brisiel to Seattle or Washington!

  • DennisAllensVisor

    Do we run a ZBS?

    We currently have no OC or OL coach.

    So IDK how anyone can say either way.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Just Fire Baby, I still gotta know how shell casings figured into the El Paso sunrise.