Brown, Sapp among finalists for HOF voting
By Steve Corkran
Friday, January 11th, 2013 at 3:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown and defensive lineman Warren Sapp are among the 15 modern-era finalists in voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Sapp is among the four first-year-eligible nominees. Brown made the cut for the final 15 last year before being bypassed.
The 15 modern-era finalists were determined by a vote of the Hall’s Selection Committee from a list of 127 nominees that earlier was reduced to a list of 27 semifinalists, during the multi-step, year-long selection process.
Curley Culp and Dave Robinson were selected as senior candidates by the Hall of Fame’s Seniors Committee. The Seniors Committee reviews the qualifications of those players whose careers took place more than 25 years ago.
The final vote takes place the day before the Super Bowl, with anywhere from four to seven players being selected for induction in early August.
Brown played for the Raiders from 1988-2003 and concluded his NFL career with the Buccaneers in 2004. This is the fourth year he has been on the ballot.
Here is Brown’s bio:
Wide Receiver/Kick Returner/Punt Returner … 6-0, 195 … Notre Dame … 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers … 17 seasons, 255 games … Heisman Trophy Winner … Selected by Raiders in 1st round (6th player overall) of 1988 draft … As rookie led NFL in kickoff returns, return yards, and yards per return average … Led NFL in receptions, 1997 … Set Raiders franchise records for receptions, receiving yards, and punt return yards … At time of retirement his 14,934 receiving yards were second-highest total in NFL history; 1,094 receptions were 3rd; and 100 touchdown catches were tied for 3rd … Also gained 190 rushing yards; 3,320 punt return yards, 3 fumble return yards; 1,235 kickoff return yards … Total of 19,682 combined net yards, 5th all-time at time of retirement … Scored 105 total touchdowns (100 receiving, 1 rushing, 3 punt returns, 1 kickoff return) … Voted to Pro Bowl nine times, 1989 and 1992 as kick returner, 1994-98, 2000 and 2002 as a receiver … All-Pro choice as a kick returner, 1988 … All-Pro wide receiver, 1997 … Was named All-AFC as a kick returner, 1988, punt returner, 1991, and wide receiver, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997 … Born July 22, 1966 in Dallas, Texas.
Here is Sapp’s bio:
Defensive Tackle … 6-2, 300 … Miami (FL) … 1995-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Oakland Raiders … 13 seasons, 198 games … Selected in first round (12th player overall) by Tampa Bay in 1995 NFL Draft … Instant starter … Named to All-Rookie Team, 1995 … Amassed 96.5 career sacks despite playing on interior of defensive line … Recorded double-digit sack totals four times … Had more than one sack in a game 23 times … Named 1999 NFL Defensive Player of the Year after helping lead Tampa Bay to first division title in 18 years … Registered 12.5 sacks, 54 tackles, three forced fumbles, and recovered two fumbles, 1999 … Recorded career-high 16.5 sacks, 2000 … Started in two NFC championship games, one Super Bowl … Recorded two tackles, one sack, two passes defensed, and forced fumble in Bucs’ 48-21 win over Raiders, Super Bowl XXXVII … Additional career statistics include four interceptions, two touchdown receptions … First-team All-Pro four straight times (1999-2002) … Second-team All-NFL in 1997, 1998 … All-NFC five times … Selected to seven Pro Bowls … Named to NFL’s All-Decade Teams of the 1990s, 2000s … Born December 19, 1972 in Orlando, Florida.
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January 11th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Here’s a piece written by Chris Hansen
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1480967-oakland-raiders-why-has-the-search-for-an-offensive-coordinator-been-quiet
January 11th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Good JOb Cork
January 11th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
If you could jump in a time machine and change one Raiders’ draft since 1990, leaving the picks where they were, and only picking guys that were on the board when we selected, which draft would you change (my pick is 2003, it had everything….the 1996 draft would have been awesome with Lewis and Dawkins and a good kicker…but 2003 is my choice):
1990:
1. Emitt Smith RB (Anthony Smith DE)
2. Keith Sims G (Aaron Wallace DE)
4. Jackie Harris TE (Torin Dorn CB)
5. Brian Mitchell RB (Stan Smalaga RB)
6. Byrce Paup LB (Marcus Wilson RB)
7. Shannon Sharpe TE (Gary Lewis CB)
1991:
1.Favre QB (Todd Marinovich QB)
2. Erik Williams T or Ricky Watters RB (Nick Bell RB)
4. Bryan Cox LB (Rocket Ismail WR)
6. Leon Lett DT (Nolan Harrison LB)
1992:
1. McGlokton keep or Dale Carter CB
2. Darren Woodson CB (Skrepenak T)
5. Michael Bates WR (Derrick Hoskins DB)
6. Mark Chmura TE (Tony Rowell C)
1993:
1. Michael Strahan DE (Patrick Bates S)
3. Ray Buchanan CB (BJ Hobert QB)
3. Will Shields G (James Trapp DB)
5. Frank Wycheck TE (Truitt WR)
7. Beikert-keep
1994:
1. Larry Allen G (Fredrickson LB)
2. Tim Ruddy G (Folston LB)
3. Jason Gilden LB (Calvin Jones RB)
4. Rodney Harrison S (Austin Robbins DE)
5. Jamal Anderson RB (R. Patterson G)
7. Tom Nalen C (Holmberg LB)
1995:
1. Ty Law CB or Derrick Brooks LB (Nap Kaufman)
2. B. Robbins + a psychiatrist or Curtis Martin RB
3. Antonio Freeman WR (Aska RB)
4. Gary Walker DE (Morton LB)
6. Terrell Davis RB (Eli Herring T)
1996:
1. Ray Lewis LB (Ricky Dudley TE)
(Other options: Marvin Harrison, Willie Anderson, Eddie George)
2. Brian Dawkins S. or T.O. (L. Johnstone DE)
5. LaRoi Glover –Keep him this time
6. Marco Rivera G (Tim Hall RB)
7. Casey Wiegmann C (Sedrick Clark DE)
7. Larry Izzo LB (Darius Smith C)
7. Adam Vinaitieri K (Joey Wylie (G)
1997:
1. T. Gonzales TE (D. Russell)
3. Jayson Taylor DE (Adam Treu G)
3. Derrick Mason WR (Tim Kohn G)
4. Priest Holmes RB (Chad Levitt RB)
6. Pat Williams DT (Calvin Branch RB)
6. Grady Jackson-Keep
1998:
1. C. Woodson-Keep
1. Alan Faneca G (Mo Collins G)
2. Samari Rolle CB (Leon Bender dead DT)
3. H Ward WR (Jon Richie FB)
4. Matt Birk C (DiNapoli G)
5. Jeff Saturday C (Bringham TE)
5. London Fletcher LB (Travian Smith LB)
1999: not worth reviewing
2000:
1. Shaun Alexander RB (Jano k)
2. Porter WR keep
4. Tom Brady QB (J. Ioane DE)
7. Brian Waters G (Fulcher TE)
2001:
1. Drew Brees QB (Gibson S)
2. Steve Smith WR (Tui QB)
3. Rudi Johnson RB (Grant lb)
5. TJ Housmydaddy WR (Perryman SS)
6. Antonio Pierce LB (Cooper DT)
2002:
1. Ed Reed S (Buchanon CB)
1. Lito Sheppard CB or Portis RB (Nap Harris LB)
2. Brian Westbrook RB (L. Walker T)
2. Chris Hope S (Jolley TE)
5. Aaron Kampman DE (Coleman DE)
6. Ryan Clark S. (Nash DB)
6. James Harrison LB (Bed RB)
2003:
1. Osi Umenyiora DE (Nnamdi)
1. Boldin WR (Brayton DE)
2. Lance Briggs LB (Teyo ohnson TE)
Or Jason Witten TE
3. Asante Samuel CB (Sam Williams
3. Brandon Lloyd WR (Fargas RB)
4. Robert Mathis DE (Pierson DE)
5. Tony Romo QB (Gabriel WR)
6. Antonio Gates (Rykert T)
2004:
1. Big Ben or Fitz (Gallery T)
2. N. Hardwick C (Grove C)
3. Schaub QB (Stu S.)
4. Jarred Allen DE (Francis WR)
5. Michael Turner RB (Morant WR)
6. Corey Williams DT (S. Johnson DE)
7. Jason Peters T (Courtney Anderson TE)
UFA Wes Welker
2005:
1. Aaron Rodgers QB (Fabian CB)
2. Vincent Jax WR or Frank Gore RB (Routt)
3. Justin Tuck DE (Walter QB)
3. Brandon Jacobs RB (Morrison LB)
6. Chris Harris S (Hawethorne DT)
6. Jay Ratliff DT (Riddle DE)
2006:
1. Ngata DT (Huff S.)
2. M. Jones-Drew RB (Howard LB)
3. Dummerville DE (McQuistan
4. Brandon Marshall WR (Bing S)
6. Antoine Bathea S (Booth)
7. C. Dinnegan CB (Morris C)
7. Miles Austin WR (McMahan WR)
2007:
1. A. Peterson RB (Russell QB)
2. Lamar Woodley LB (Miller TE)
3. Jacoby Jones WR (Moses DE)
3. Paul Soliai DT (Mario Henderson T)
5. Celek TE (J. Richardson DE)
January 11th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Sapp is not a Raider HOFer. Neither is Lott, or Rice, or E. Dickerson or any other player who played the majority of their career on another team.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Still no Cliff Branch huh? I guess 3 superbowl rings don’t mean what they used to.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Dakota
I’ll take 2001. Brees, Steve Smith, Rudi Johnson.
They take a backseat for two seasons, then our run of dominance just continues after Gannon/Garner/Rice/Brown bow out.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
4.Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Sapp is not a Raider HOFer. Neither is Lott, or Rice, or E. Dickerson or any other player who played the majority of their career on another team.
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I consider Rod Woodson a HOF Raider. He had good years with us and loved being a Raider. Rice too went to Pro Bowls in Silver n Black.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
1858.alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Judge
as you’ve obviously have seen, most GMs whiff on their first, second, and third choices for positions. They tend to have to settle for someone down the list.
I’m sure our situation will be similar.
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So the short version of your answer is:
Yes, reggie still gets a pass
January 11th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Woodson is not a Raider HOFer he will go in as a Steeler.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Judge
yes, Reggie gets evaluated based on results, not the process as you want it to play out.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Jerry Rice went to 13 Pro Bowls, only 1 as a Raider.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
9.eastoaklandraider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Woodson is not a Raider HOFer he will go in as a Steeler.
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He’s already in, and he personally thanked Al Davis for allowing him to be a Raider. That makes him good in my book.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
OC – Aaron Kromer / Joe Lombardi / Bill Lazor
OL – Clancy Barone / Bill Callahan
LB – Billy Davis / Adam Zimmer
ST – Mike Mallory / John Bonamego / Keith Burns
January 11th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
2003:
1. Osi Umenyiora DE (Nnamdi)
1. Boldin WR (Brayton DE)
2. Lance Briggs LB (Teyo ohnson TE)
Or Jason Witten TE
3. Asante Samuel CB (Sam Williams
3. Brandon Lloyd WR (Fargas RB)
4. Robert Mathis DE (Pierson DE)
5. Tony Romo QB (Gabriel WR)
6. Antonio Gates (Rykert T)
You have got a decent QB, throwing to Gates, Lloyd and Boldin, and then the QB getting killed by Osi, with Mathis and Brigs helping with the run D and Samuel as our shut down CB.
We would have been dominant for years.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
What sucks is, the way this league is going, the longer Tim has to wait, the less his chances become with more and more WR’s putting up big Stats. Just put him and Carter in already.
But if anyone shouldn’t have to wait any more is Cliff and Tom Flores. Put em in before they die
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Where did former GB OC Joe philbin end up? And does reggie go after Tom Clements GB’s current OC?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
1991 with Favre being protected by Williams, and Cox leading the D…and Lett playing dumb Raider ball!
Too bad we didn’t have more picks in 1991.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
I think Lombardi would be a really good option for us.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Where did former GB OC Joe philbin end up? And does reggie go after Tom Clements GB’s current OC?
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Head Coach, Dolphins.
Packers would have to approve Clements leaving.
Why would they?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Philbin is the HC of Miami
January 11th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
What sucks is, the way this league is going, the longer Tim has to wait, the less his chances become with more and more WR’s putting up big Stats. Just put him and Carter in already.
But if anyone shouldn’t have to wait any more is Cliff and Tom Flores. Put em in before they die
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Flores should not be in the HOF….or Plunkett. Other than their SB years they sucked.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I just dont get it though.
It doesnt make much sense.
Why would any team JUST LET a good assistant leave?..
It doesnt make any sense at all.
Unless there is a verbal agreement of some between the assistant when he was hired.
IDK.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
21.Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
What sucks is, the way this league is going, the longer Tim has to wait, the less his chances become with more and more WR’s putting up big Stats. Just put him and Carter in already.
But if anyone shouldn’t have to wait any more is Cliff and Tom Flores. Put em in before they die
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Flores should not be in the HOF….or Plunkett. Other than their SB years they sucked.
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Considering Flores was coaching during the begining years of Al’s madness, i say he did pretty well.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Why would Clements leave his OC Job with a SB contending team for the same exact position with a team who hasnt had a winning season in 11years?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Just dont get why people think that OC’s with good teams would leave to play for Oakland
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
God Bless.
Raider on.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Brown should make it.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
We’re going to look at position coaches to promote to OC.
I think most teams figure they can replace position coaches.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
*Coach For Oakland
January 11th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
9.eastoaklandraider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Woodson is not a Raider HOFer he will go in as a Steeler.
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HOF inductees in football, unlike in baseball, do NOT go in as members of a team!
January 11th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Just dont get why people think that OC’s with good teams would leave to play for Oakland
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I would love to see some coordinators try and play for us!
January 11th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Wow must have missed that Philbin going to the dolphins thing but I dont pay much attn to MIA. Clements doesnt even call plays so IDK how you would figure how good he is or how he would run his own scheme?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Tim Brown is by far my favorite WR to ever play the game…. I used to act like I was him on the playground but it kills me to say that Brown wont be getting in this year.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Brown should make it.
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Considering all of the different QBs and coaches he had to go through, the fact that he put up numbers like that is amazing! Put him in the same situation as Rice, his numbers may have been better than Rice!
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
So I guess the Saunders Idea is toast huh? thats a shame unless he doesnt want the position, in the grand scheme of things he is the perfect hire.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
And winning 2 Super Bowls should definetly be worthy of the HOF, but hell, winning 3 isn’t even enough to get Branch in.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Yo, any of you Dorks ever been so excited you got laid you high fived your mom
Can totally see Nob Bust doing that, then taking his dog for a walk
BEEEECH STYLE
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Philbin and the Tuna beat us 35-13 in Miami
January 11th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
33.PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Tim Brown is by far my favorite WR to ever play the game…. I used to act like I was him on the playground but it kills me to say that Brown wont be getting in this year.
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Yup, you used to tape up my fingers just like Timmy
January 11th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
34.Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Brown should make it.
++++++++++++++
Considering all of the different QBs and coaches he had to go through, the fact that he put up numbers like that is amazing! Put him in the same situation as Rice, his numbers may have been better than Rice!
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Brown imo is no doubt better than Rice just based off circumstance and still being able to put up HOF numbers.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Branch should be in.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Did this yesterday but we prefer to fist bump
(No Finger Prints)
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The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Yo, any of you Dorks ever been so excited you got laid you high fived your mom
Can totally see Nob Bust doing that, then taking his dog for a walk
BEEEECH STYLE
January 11th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Why would Clements leave his OC Job with a SB contending team for the same exact position with a team who hasnt had a winning season in 11years?
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+ Clements is a hot commodity for future HC positions. If Clements came here and it was a disaster (see last OC’s 2004-present), we could conceivably see him out on International Blvd begging for food scraps in three years.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
43.Seymour Bush Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Why would Clements leave his OC Job with a SB contending team for the same exact position with a team who hasnt had a winning season in 11years?
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+ Clements is a hot commodity for future HC positions. If Clements came here and it was a disaster (see last OC’s 2004-present), we could conceivably see him out on International Blvd begging for food scraps in three years.
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What makes him so hot? he doesnt even call the plays.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Wouldnt Clements want to go to a team like the Raiders where he would have full control of the offense?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
P Drank in the hizzy
Yo just got a fresh shipment of New Zealand shrimp in for tonight’s Reggae Party Boat
It’s goin’ down, already have 23 confirmed RSVPs from my girlfriend Cinnamon’s hippy friends
These granola babes always put out but you gotta wade through the moss first
Get it, they all have super hairy beevs
January 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
But if Clements is a WCO ZBS guy I dont want him anyhow.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Looks like every other NFL that fired a HC,OC or DC is making moves or already hired someone.
Marty Mornhinweg is interviewing for the Jets OC. Hue and Norv are also names the Jets are looking at.
Kiffin hired as DC of the Cowboys.
Raiders= silence
January 11th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
48.RaidO Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Looks like every other NFL that fired a HC,OC or DC is making moves or already hired someone.
Marty Mornhinweg is interviewing for the Jets OC. Hue and Norv are also names the Jets are looking at.
Kiffin hired as DC of the Cowboys.
Raiders= silence
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There’s no rush plenty of good canidates left.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
I don’t want to hear that “have to wait for after the playoffs” crap either.
Gus Bradley DC of the Seahawks interviewed for the Chargers HC job last night.
EVERYBODY is active except the Raiders. Anybody who takes that as a good sign is just DUMB. Reggie is an idiot
January 11th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
That would be some shcit to see Hue brought back here as an OC, that would be pretty awkward.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RaidO
haven’t the Raiders ALWAYS = silence?
Was this stressed about when Al was in charge?
He was pretty big on keeping things close to the vest.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
50/50 shot its Al Saunders back as OC next year at this point.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
I feel you O, they better get it right thats for dam sure.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RaidO
a DC HAS TO BE ALLOWED to interview for a HC job.
That’s different than our situation.
Playoff teams don’t have to allow position coaches the time away from their practices for a mere OC opening.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Boss
it’s been said here many times.
Saunders does not WANT the OC job full-time. He’s 70 and has turned it down before.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RaidO
a DC HAS TO BE ALLOWED to interview for a HC job.
That’s different than our situation.
Playoff teams don’t have to allow position coaches the time away from their practices for a mere OC opening.
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It would be for a assistant if that was the case. No OC on a playoff team is going to another team to be OC. Especially the Raiders
January 11th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
So Al turned down the OC position? How do you know this Alex? provide a link.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
43.Seymour Bush Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Why would Clements leave his OC Job with a SB contending team for the same exact position with a team who hasnt had a winning season in 11years?
=================================================
+ Clements is a hot commodity for future HC positions. If Clements came here and it was a disaster (see last OC’s 2004-present), we could conceivably see him out on International Blvd begging for food scraps in three years.
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What makes him so hot? he doesnt even call the plays.
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Clements does call some of the plays. Aaron Rogers credits Clements for being the one that developed him. And look at Matt Flynn. Plays lights out for them, goes to Seattle and his best friend is a clipboard. What does that tell ya?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
EVERY OC position filled so far…
has come from a non-playoff team.
Are we really whining that much that we aren’t interviewing/hiring non-playoff coaches for our OC spot?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
That’s another problem. They better not bring in no assistant who has never been a OC
January 11th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
If Mark & Reggie can cut or restructure the contracts of:
BRANCH (restructure)
MCFADDEN (restruture)
PALMER(restructure)
DHB (cut)
KELLY (cut)
MCLAIN(cut)
BREISIL(restructure or cut)
TELLHESON(cut)
HUFF(restructure or cut)
THAT -10.4mil OVER THE SALARY CAP COULD EASY BECOME SOMETHING MORE LIKE +19.8mil UNDER THE CAP …
BIG FREE AGENT SIGNINGS TO PLAYERS DESERVING OF A BIG CONTRACT PLUS ALL FUTURE DRAFT PICKS SIGNED AND IN CAMP ON TIME..
RAIDER 4LIFE!!!!!!
January 11th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
And look at Matt Flynn. Plays lights out for them, goes to Seattle and his best friend is a clipboard. What does that tell ya?
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That he wasnt that good to begin with.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Yo, my girlfriend Cinnamon is WAY cooler than any of your girlfriends, guaranteed
Shorty just skateboarded down to KFC and brought home a bucket of Xtra crispy plus sides
Yo, she always makes me emotional with love. Gotta put on Cindy Lauper’s Time After Time and have a good cry
Holla to my J Catz
January 11th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
EastOak
it takes 30 seconds to google it. Why not learn instead of be spoon-fed?
January 11th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Howdy. Hey. Long time listener, first time caller. I just want to say I think the Raiders will hire a good offensive cordinator, even if he has never been one before, because Reggie and Allen are the cream of the crop and they ain’t gonna settle for nuthin less, no way. You can bet the back side of your ass and my third nut Reggie and Allen are gonna go super bowl. No mo titless wonders, we goin.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RaidO
1.) EVERY OC was…at some point…not an OC.
2.) not a single OC would simply swap jobs to be in Oakland.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
65.alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
EastOak
it takes 30 seconds to google it. Why not learn instead of be spoon-fed?
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Back your words up.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
61.RaidO Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
That’s another problem. They better not bring in no assistant who has never been a OC
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Well it’s not like experience helped our last OC
January 11th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
There’s a 97% chance that we hire an assistant that has never been an OC…… Being an OC in the past isnot always a must have… Knapp was an OC and how’d that work out for us?
Aaron Kromer Position Coach (Great Candidate)
Joe Lombardi Position Coach ( Great Candidate)
Pep Hamilton Stanford OC (Favorite Candidate)
January 11th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
61.RaidO Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
That’s another problem. They better not bring in no assistant who has never been a OC
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Well it’s not like experience helped our last OC
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Knapp is in a category all his own. That category is called “SUCK”
January 11th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
from a bay area news source (link = awaiting moderation)
“Al Saunders
Though he was the team’s offensive coordinator in 2011, it was in title only. Then head coach Hue Jackson handled the play-calling. In reality, Saunders has not called an offensive game since 2008 while coordinating for Scott Linehan’s St. Louis Rams. Even then, with Linehan as head coach, Saunders role in play-calling is suspect. In all of Saunders eight seasons as coordinator, he’s always worked along with an offensive-minded head coach. Were he promoted by Allen, Saunders would be autonomously controlling the offensive for the first time in his career. A scary thought, to be sure.”
similar info on kffl dot com
January 11th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Maybe Steve Fairchild or Jim Zorn might be interested. I still have Joe Lombardi on my radar tho.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
My girl Paprika (Oklahoma Stripper Name) learned all the Olive Garden recipes so she can infuse them with some bubonic chronic while also saving cash…Plus she likes to keep it Uber-Green So i bought her a Camel for transportation
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Yo, my girlfriend Cinnamon is WAY cooler than any of your girlfriends, guaranteed
Shorty just skateboarded down to KFC and brought home a bucket of Xtra crispy plus sides
Yo, she always makes me emotional with love. Gotta put on Cindy Lauper’s Time After Time and have a good cry
Holla to my J Catz
January 11th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
First off, Sapp is going to get in first ballot because he works for NFL Network and shows his ugly mug every day to the NFL public.
Second off, Sapp should get in, no way first ballot. He did not change the game in any meaningful way. His breed of undersized undertackles or whatever the name for pass rushing DT is is dying. The NFL is about massive DTs, just look at good Ds today.
Third off, he is an obnoxious POS. A bankrupt brownose.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
coordinators that have been hired came from the Jets, Syracuse, USC, and the Chargers.
That’s not exciting or worth copying. I’m fine waiting and taking a shot on better candidates.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Saunders shouldn’t been last years choice, instead of “Settling” For knapp. This year find someone better.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Later! I have to go scrape 8 inches of snow off my dish.
January 11th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Post 78
Ayyy man Cocaine is 1 hell of a drug
January 11th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Later! I have to go scrape 8 inches of snow off my dish.
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Dakota
Don’t they have some kind of electric coil that melts the snow off the dish?
Thought they had stuff like that in Podunk
January 11th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Later! I have to go scrape 8 inches of snow off my dish.
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Dakota
Don’t they have some kind of electric coil that melts the snow off the dish?
Thought they had stuff like that in Podunk
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January 11th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Voice of Raiders Greg Papa named California Sportscaster of the Year. 20 years already?
January 11th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
It’s the end of an era in Washington.
After nearly 30 years, the Hogettes are hanging up their wigs and snouts.
The Hogettes’ name was inspired by Redskins offensive line coach JOE BUGEL in the 1980’s, who referred to his lineman as hogs.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Peyton Manning’s record in sub-40 degree playoffs…
0-3, 1 TD, 7 INTs
It’s going to be 20 degrees vs the Ravens.
Ravens imo are on a mission to send out Lewis with a ring.
Whether they win it or not another matter, but imo have a bet on Ravens beating the Broncos.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
USA Today. WTF?
Oakland Raiders fans dress up in crazy costumes to support a product that should have been cancelled in the ’80’s. Oakland Raiders fans are Trekkies.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
GG-how has Flacco done on the road?Don’t let your dislike of the Donkeys affect your thinking.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Cover 2 in Dallas? Wow Jerry Jones is becoming the new AD. Not that the Cover 2 is all bad but look at how it fits the personal. This is like Knapp situation except it is on the other side of the ball and even a worse fit.
Jerry said he was mentored by AD. LOL. I mean even AD in his last 3-5 years would not do something this stupid! In fact he didn’t, that’s right Lane (or Lance – SC) wanted to bring him in with him and AD would not allow it.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Pep Hamilton was the favorite for the Virginia Tech OC Position but now talks have slowed down…I really want him as OC
January 11th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Peyton Manning’s record in sub-40 degree playoffs…
0-3, 1 TD, 7 INTs
It’s going to be 20 degrees vs the Ravens.
Ravens imo are on a mission to send out Lewis with a ring.
Whether they win it or not another matter, but imo have a bet on Ravens beating the Broncos.
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I know the Donkeys are heavily favored but I have a feeling about this game as well. I mean PM has a great record against the Ravens and I think all things have to come to an end sometimes and this just might be the time – glove or no glove.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Boss
it’s been said here many times.
Saunders does not WANT the OC job full-time. He’s 70 and has turned it down before.
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He is 65 not 70…Dick LeBeau is 75, Steelers were #1 defense yet again.
Cowboys just hired a 93 year old DC
January 11th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
USA Today. WTF?
Oakland Raiders fans dress up in crazy costumes to support a product that should have been cancelled in the ’80’s. Oakland Raiders fans are Trekkies.
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Just went to USA Today on line do not see anything.
Worth reading?? If I find it.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
He is 65 not 70…Dick LeBeau is 75, Steelers were #1 defense yet again.
Cowboys just hired a 93 year old DC
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Hey
Don’t be talking about Lance’s dad like that. He is only 72. Although the pic they used for ESPN makes him look 93.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
He is 65 not 70…Dick LeBeau is 75, Steelers were #1 defense yet again.
Cowboys just hired a 93 year old DC
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Hey
Don’t be talking about Lance’s dad like that. He is only 72. Although the pic they used for ESPN makes him look 93.
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I was being nice lol
January 11th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Have heard the Rumor that AS did not want OC when DA came in. Not sure if its true but understandable to someone old like me. At end of career sometimes want a part time consulting type job not a full time Coordinator postion where you are breaking down film 70 hours a week.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Dakota
Did you fall off the roof?
January 11th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Have heard the Rumor that AS did not want OC when DA came in. Not sure if its true but understandable to someone old like me. At end of career sometimes want a part time consulting type job not a full time Coordinator postion where you are breaking down film 70 hours a week.
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But didn’t he interview for another OC job? Was it KC…
January 11th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
What if they brought…
Ryan to coach the LB’s
Callaghan to coach the o-line
January 11th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Have heard the Rumor that AS did not want OC when DA came in. Not sure if its true but understandable to someone old like me. At end of career sometimes want a part time consulting type job not a full time Coordinator postion where you are breaking down film 70 hours a week.
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But didn’t he interview for another OC job? Was it KC…
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It was KC.
And besides his KC interview, KFFL mentions what DA said about AS – They cite Cork’s article, in fact.
January 11th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
get Trestman for OC
January 11th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
get Cam Cameron for OC
January 11th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
JT Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
get Cam Cameron for OC
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Isn’t he a jesus freak now?
January 11th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
never mind, that’s Kirk. I was wondering why you wanted the kids from growing pains as our OC.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Whats wrong with freaks?
January 11th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
So who would you rather have, “The great Jim Plunkett” 2 Super Bowl wins! Or Dan Marino who set every stat for a QB back then and got into the Hall,or even Jim Kelly who went to four SB’S, but both won NADA! Easy, I’ll go with “The great Jim Plunkett. After all the ultimate goal of every organisation is to win the SB, not pad their superstar QB’s stats. Same with Flores, won 2 SB’s, yet Marv Leavy (?) who lost four SB’s is in the Hall. Absolute disgrace! Ray Guy and Cliff Branch should also be there!
January 11th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Ridiculous a man like Sapp still is in consideration when a guy like Ray Guy or Morten Andersen isnt..
January 11th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
97.Dan78 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
What if they brought…
Ryan to coach the LB’s
Callaghan to coach the o-line
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Then you could look up in the sky and watch pigs fly around.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
So who would you rather have, “The great Jim Plunkett” 2 Super Bowl wins! Or Dan Marino who set every stat for a QB back then and got into the Hall,or even Jim Kelly who went to four SB’S, but both won NADA! Easy, I’ll go with “The great Jim Plunkett. After all the ultimate goal of every organisation is to win the SB, not pad their superstar QB’s stats. Same with Flores, won 2 SB’s, yet Marv Leavy (?) who lost four SB’s is in the Hall. Absolute disgrace! Ray Guy and Cliff Branch should also be there!
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Personally, I’d take Dan Marino
January 11th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Put Dan Marino on the same teams as plunk, adjusting for age of course, and he wins as many or more super bowls.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
According to Associated Press and Bama papers, Eddie Lacy, Dee Milliner and DJ Fluker are entering in the NFL draft.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
So Dakota, what you’re saying then that Plunk played on more talented football teams than Marino. Are you saying Al Davis was a better evaluator of talent than Don Shula?
January 11th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Kell, why take Marino over Plunkett?
January 11th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
What about the great Lester Hayes? That dude was one of a kind and changed the way corners played and how the nfl let them play. Favorite raider of all time by a mile
January 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Dan Marino is a HOF QB. Lol. a real one. One of the greatest passers of all time.
Besides, Marcus Allen carried the Raiders to those two Super Bowls.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Kell, why take Marino over Plunkett?
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Why take Trent Dilfer over Dan Fouts? Why take Doug Williams over Jim Kelly?
January 11th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
The raider super bowl teams had more talent than the mid to late 1980s and the 1990s phins teams.
Was that al Davis or partly Ron wolf I don’t know…ancient NFL history means little to me.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Don Shula had time pass him bye just like al Davis did.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Raider guy Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
What about the great Lester Hayes? That dude was one of a kind and changed the way corners played and how the nfl let them play. Favorite raider of all time by a mile
Totally agree. Another great Raider snubbed by the Hall, yet other underperforming DB’S get in!
January 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Raider guy Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
What about the great Lester Hayes? That dude was one of a kind and changed the way corners played and how the nfl let them play. Favorite raider of all time by a mile
Totally agree. Another great Raider snubbed by the Hall, yet other underperforming DB’S get in!
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Agreed
January 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I think the reason the oc search is so quiet is that the potential oc has a relationship with Reggie, da, or both. That is the only way they keep a lid on it. Makes me think it is one of the n.o. guys…
January 11th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
The raider super bowl teams had more talent than the mid to late 1980s and the 1990s phins teams.
Was that al Davis or partly Ron wolf I don’t know…ancient NFL history means little to me.
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That’s because you know nothing about it. Whereas a seasoned renaissance man like myself……………
January 11th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Raider Guy Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I think the reason the oc search is so quiet is that the potential oc has a relationship with Reggie, da, or both. That is the only way they keep a lid on it. Makes me think it is one of the n.o. guys…
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I hope you are right. The silence is making me nervous.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Just like with madden….maybe if we had better coaching the raiders might be known as the team of the 1970s instead of the steelers?
A guy loses that many playoff games these days he might be ran out of town.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Wen you have 15 minutes watch it…for us old guys only
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CzTVS3vzP9M
Lester Hayes’ greatest game…maybe
January 11th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Marcus Allen only played on 1 SB team with the Raiders.In the 1980 season-1981 SB-Plunkett was the MVP.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Dan Marino is a HOF QB. Lol. a real one. One of the greatest passers of all time.
Besides, Marcus Allen carried the Raiders to those two Super Bowls.
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Sorry Kell, but Marcus didn’t play for the Raiders when Plunk won his first SB against Philly, he was still at USC. Still think Plunk deserves to be in the Hall.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
I THINK it was Tim brown who recently said that if they had a better coach than madden, the 70s raiders would have won a lot more Super Bowls…almost sacralidge but it made me think.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
NFL Draft Early Entries (as of Jan. 11)
Keenan Allen, WR, California
Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia
David Bakhtiari, OT, Colorado
Le’Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
Gio Bernard, RB, North Carolina
Tyler Bray, QB, Tennessee
Terrence Brown, CB, Stanford
Knile Davis, RB, Arkansas
Mike Edwards, DB, Hawaii
Matt Elam, S, Florida
Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford
Chris Faulk, OT, LSU
Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama
Michael Ford, RB, LSU
Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin
Kwame Geathers, NT, Georgia
William Gholston, DE, Michigan State
Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State
DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson
Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee
Jawan Jamison, RB, Rutgers
Stefphon Jefferson, RB, Nevada
Tony Jefferson, S, Oklahoma
Jelani Jenkins, LB, Florida
Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia
Brandon Kaufman, WR, Eastern Washington
Joe Kruger, DE, Utah
Eddie Lacy, TB, Alabama
Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn
Bennie Logan, DT, LSU
Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU
Kevin Minter, LB, LSU
Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia
Kyle Padron, QB, Eastern Washington
Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
Justin Pugh, OT, Syracuse
Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma State
Jordan Reed, TE, Florida
Eric Reid, S, LSU
Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
Da’Rick Rogers, WR, Tennessee Tech
Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
Darrington Sentimore, DE, Tennessee
Tharold Simon, CB, LSU
Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
Akeem Spence, DT, Illinois
Kenny Stills, WR, Oklahoma
Levine Toilolo, TE, Stanford
Spencer Ware, RB, LSU
Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State
Steve Williams, CB, California
Brad Wing, P, LSU
Tom Wort, LB, Oklahoma
January 11th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Marcus Allen only played on 1 SB team with the Raiders.In the 1980 season-1981 SB-Plunkett was the MVP.
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I stand corrected Lefty.
Except Plunkett couldn’t carry Marino’s shower towell.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
How many days till the draft? Go Baltimore.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
The raider super bowl teams had more talent than the mid to late 1980s and the 1990s phins teams.
Was that al Davis or partly Ron wolf I don’t know…ancient NFL history means little to me.
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Unfortunately Dakota, ancient NFL history is the only thing we’ve had to hang our hats on over the last decade or so.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
126.Raider guy Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
I THINK it was Tim brown who recently said that if they had a better coach than madden, the 70s raiders would have won a lot more Super Bowls…almost sacralidge but it made me think.
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Not trying to be a Madden fanboy here, but I think Timmy was a little off-base. Madden only really got beat by Shula and Noll, and those Raider teams gave as good as they got. He beat pretty much everybody else.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
I asked Jim Plunkett at an event at the Hilton in Vegas if he deserved to be in the Hall, and he laughed me off.
Even HE knows he doesn’t deserve to be in the HOF.
The real travesty is Cliff Branch. He won 3 Super Bowls, and had 3 Super Bowl TD’s.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
You can’t look at this information and tell me al Davis was a good GM. I am not saying he should have made these drafts, but you would think that a lot more of the players he drafted over nearly two decades would pan out. Makes you sick when you see all of the misses.
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
If you could jump in a time machine and change one Raiders’ draft since 1990, leaving the picks where they were, and only picking guys that were on the board when we selected, which draft would you change (my pick is 2003, it had everything….the 1996 draft would have been awesome with Lewis and Dawkins and a good kicker…but 2003 is my choice):
1990:
1. Emitt Smith RB (Anthony Smith DE)
2. Keith Sims G (Aaron Wallace DE)
4. Jackie Harris TE (Torin Dorn CB)
5. Brian Mitchell RB (Stan Smalaga RB)
6. Byrce Paup LB (Marcus Wilson RB)
7. Shannon Sharpe TE (Gary Lewis CB)
1991:
1.Favre QB (Todd Marinovich QB)
2. Erik Williams T or Ricky Watters RB (Nick Bell RB)
4. Bryan Cox LB (Rocket Ismail WR)
6. Leon Lett DT (Nolan Harrison LB)
1992:
1. McGlokton keep or Dale Carter CB
2. Darren Woodson CB (Skrepenak T)
5. Michael Bates WR (Derrick Hoskins DB)
6. Mark Chmura TE (Tony Rowell C)
1993:
1. Michael Strahan DE (Patrick Bates S)
3. Ray Buchanan CB (BJ Hobert QB)
3. Will Shields G (James Trapp DB)
5. Frank Wycheck TE (Truitt WR)
7. Beikert-keep
1994:
1. Larry Allen G (Fredrickson LB)
2. Tim Ruddy G (Folston LB)
3. Jason Gilden LB (Calvin Jones RB)
4. Rodney Harrison S (Austin Robbins DE)
5. Jamal Anderson RB (R. Patterson G)
7. Tom Nalen C (Holmberg LB)
1995:
1. Ty Law CB or Derrick Brooks LB (Nap Kaufman)
2. B. Robbins + a psychiatrist or Curtis Martin RB
3. Antonio Freeman WR (Aska RB)
4. Gary Walker DE (Morton LB)
6. Terrell Davis RB (Eli Herring T)
1996:
1. Ray Lewis LB (Ricky Dudley TE)
(Other options: Marvin Harrison, Willie Anderson, Eddie George)
2. Brian Dawkins S. or T.O. (L. Johnstone DE)
5. LaRoi Glover –Keep him this time
6. Marco Rivera G (Tim Hall RB)
7. Casey Wiegmann C (Sedrick Clark DE)
7. Larry Izzo LB (Darius Smith C)
7. Adam Vinaitieri K (Joey Wylie (G)
1997:
1. T. Gonzales TE (D. Russell)
3. Jayson Taylor DE (Adam Treu G)
3. Derrick Mason WR (Tim Kohn G)
4. Priest Holmes RB (Chad Levitt RB)
6. Pat Williams DT (Calvin Branch RB)
6. Grady Jackson-Keep
1998:
1. C. Woodson-Keep
1. Alan Faneca G (Mo Collins G)
2. Samari Rolle CB (Leon Bender dead DT)
3. H Ward WR (Jon Richie FB)
4. Matt Birk C (DiNapoli G)
5. Jeff Saturday C (Bringham TE)
5. London Fletcher LB (Travian Smith LB)
1999: not worth reviewing
2000:
1. Shaun Alexander RB (Jano k)
2. Porter WR keep
4. Tom Brady QB (J. Ioane DE)
7. Brian Waters G (Fulcher TE)
2001:
1. Drew Brees QB (Gibson S)
2. Steve Smith WR (Tui QB)
3. Rudi Johnson RB (Grant lb)
5. TJ Housmydaddy WR (Perryman SS)
6. Antonio Pierce LB (Cooper DT)
2002:
1. Ed Reed S (Buchanon CB)
1. Lito Sheppard CB or Portis RB (Nap Harris LB)
2. Brian Westbrook RB (L. Walker T)
2. Chris Hope S (Jolley TE)
5. Aaron Kampman DE (Coleman DE)
6. Ryan Clark S. (Nash DB)
6. James Harrison LB (Bed RB)
2003:
1. Osi Umenyiora DE (Nnamdi)
1. Boldin WR (Brayton DE)
2. Lance Briggs LB (Teyo ohnson TE)
Or Jason Witten TE
3. Asante Samuel CB (Sam Williams
3. Brandon Lloyd WR (Fargas RB)
4. Robert Mathis DE (Pierson DE)
5. Tony Romo QB (Gabriel WR)
6. Antonio Gates (Rykert T)
2004:
1. Big Ben or Fitz (Gallery T)
2. N. Hardwick C (Grove C)
3. Schaub QB (Stu S.)
4. Jarred Allen DE (Francis WR)
5. Michael Turner RB (Morant WR)
6. Corey Williams DT (S. Johnson DE)
7. Jason Peters T (Courtney Anderson TE)
UFA Wes Welker
2005:
1. Aaron Rodgers QB (Fabian CB)
2. Vincent Jax WR or Frank Gore RB (Routt)
3. Justin Tuck DE (Walter QB)
3. Brandon Jacobs RB (Morrison LB)
6. Chris Harris S (Hawethorne DT)
6. Jay Ratliff DT (Riddle DE)
2006:
1. Ngata DT (Huff S.)
2. M. Jones-Drew RB (Howard LB)
3. Dummerville DE (McQuistan
4. Brandon Marshall WR (Bing S)
6. Antoine Bathea S (Booth)
7. C. Dinnegan CB (Morris C)
7. Miles Austin WR (McMahan WR)
2007:
1. A. Peterson RB (Russell QB)
2. Lamar Woodley LB (Miller TE)
3. Jacoby Jones WR (Moses DE)
3. Paul Soliai DT (Mario Henderson T)
5. Celek TE (J. Richardson DE)
January 11th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Top 25 QB’s of All Time
http://www.squidoo.com/greatestquarterbacks
January 11th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Top 10 QB’s of All Time. I don’t see Plunketts name on any of these lists
http://www.mensfitness.com/training/pro-tips/top-10-quarterbacks-of-all-time
January 11th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Usually get one blow out this weekend.
Who is it going to be?
I am going with the Falcons being up 20 at the half and cruising all 2nd half.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Plunkett makes #41 on this list.
http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-best-quarterbacks-of-all-time
January 11th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
The ravens better end this dung ER nightmare!
I remember watching the jags knock off the donks in what 1997? Donks might have won three straight had Brunell not taken them out.
January 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
It is a shame Plunkett got ‘Andrew Waltered’ in NE,who knows how good he might have been.The funny part is Davis wanted Pastorini over him and them drafted Wilson to replace him,Plunkett was clutch though.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Why didn’t rod Martin win the sb MVP? The game killing pick six and two other ints…
January 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Flacco has 4 road playoff wins, which is twice as many as Peyton.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
It is a shame Plunkett got ‘Andrew Waltered’ in NE,who knows how good he might have been.The funny part is Davis wanted Pastorini over him and them drafted Wilson to replace him,Plunkett was clutch though.
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Please don’t use Plunkett’s name in the same sentence as that cry baby Walter.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
So I watched moneyball last night…and at the end they basically said the redsox won the world series using moneyball, and now Theo is the cubs president…so does that mean the cubs are using moneyball now?
They have not signed any major free agents since he arrived.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
JFB,the Falcons don’t blow teams out,the win squeakers.It wouldn’t be a surprise if both Houston and Balt. were blown out.If GB gets the early lead that game could be over pretty early also.Now if you are betting go against all 3 of those predictions and you’ll probably win.LOL
January 11th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Raider Guy Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I think the reason the oc search is so quiet is that the potential oc has a relationship with Reggie, da, or both. That is the only way they keep a lid on it. Makes me think it is one of the n.o. guys…
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I hope you are right. The silence is making me nervous.
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Maybe they is dumbfounded and tongue tied. Could be one to many corn dogs makes you sit on the toilet longer than you like. Can’t get no work done.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
If there is a blowout, you would think that one of the rookie’s would be on the bad end of things.
Then you whittle it down to the rookie on the road.
Or is that just too simple?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Flacco has 4 road playoff wins, which is twice as many as Peyton.
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But Payton isn’t playing on the road.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Flacco has 4 road playoff wins, which is twice as many as Peyton.
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But Payton isn’t playing on the road.
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Flacco is not that good.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Flacco has 4 road playoff wins, which is twice as many as Peyton.
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how many does Romo have =) most overrated QB evah!
January 11th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
If Atlanta wants to beat Seattle, they better do that wiggle shuffle dance on D like they done to Payton Manning. Confused him. Wilson is to smart. And so are the coaches. It’s amazing to watch teams that are well coached.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Source: Rob Ryan has been hired by the Rams as their new defensive coordinator.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Ravens might ask us about Palmer after the ravens lose in the playoffs again. Palmer would give that team a chance to win a super bowl.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
We are gonna be vulnerable to being out coached next season. Just like this year. There is film on DA now. Not good for us. All the opponents got to do is study the film on DA. We’re in for the long haul.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Brian Costello @BrianCoz
Source: Rob Ryan has been hired by the Rams as their new defensive coordinator.
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I never took Jeff Fischer as a fool. Bummer, that team showed promise last year…
January 11th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
People think cuz the Raids are mum on the new OC they cookin up something under wraps. No way. DA and Reggie are lost. They’ve been turned down. Rejected. That’s why they is mum on the matter. Nobody wants to take them to the dance.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Bart Simpson
Its partly DA and Reggie, but it’s in large part to Mark Davis.
Who wants a boss that sports that awful Lloyd Christmas Dumb & Dumber bowl cut?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Flacco has 4 road playoff wins, which is twice as many as Peyton.
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But Payton isn’t playing on the road.
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Flacco is not that good.
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I think the Ravens have a better chance than people are giving them. Everyone is calling for a cakewalk by the Broncos. That is dangerous talk. Peytons had some blunders, and doesn’t really play well in cold post season weather.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens walk in there and pull out a major upset. And also smack Peyton in the mouth while doing it.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Flacco is pretty damn good, not sure why people sleep on him so much.
Posted two 95+ QBR’s in the playoffs last year, and was a 30 yard missed FG (or dropped pass on perfectly thrown back-shoulder TD) from playing in the Super Bowl last year.
And……..just for fun.
He had 1 TD and 6 INT’s in the playoffs when his QB coach was Hue Jackson, 9 TD’s and 2 INT’s since.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
KoolKell, Plunkett over Gannon?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Bart Simpson Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
People think cuz the Raids are mum on the new OC they cookin up something under wraps. No way. DA and Reggie are lost. They’ve been turned down. Rejected. That’s why they is mum on the matter. Nobody wants to take them to the dance.
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It’s because the people they are interested in are currently on teams. They also have an ace in the back pocket with Saunders.
But yeah, they are really worried about letting people on some blog know their intentions. It keeps them up at night.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens walk in there and pull out a major upset. And also smack Peyton in the mouth while doing it.
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Do you really believe that or are you speaking more with your heart because of your dislike for the donkeys?Also,why do so many on here like the Browns,I mean Ravens so much?You’d think the Harbaugh ran up the score and intentionally tried to embarrass the team this year more fans would be against them.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Kiffin (Lance) was hired late when he became Oakland head coach and he got most of his staff during Senior Bowl week (Cable as O-line coach, etc. etc.)
DA’s OC targets could be coaches still in the playoffs.
But, like PurpleDrank81’s post at the No. 1 spot in this thread and others have said, Al Saunders is in the back pocket so Oakland is mum.
I will begin to worry when its February and there is no OC.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Lefty12
It would be a cataclysmic event if Ray Lewis and Peyton Manning were both knocked out of this divisional game.
Say for instance, a Lewis blitz, hit and sack of Manning causes injuries to both men and they miss the remainder of the game.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Just get a good oc in the house and we will at least look like we belong on the same field as our opponents.
Right now we look like a euro team playing NFL teams in some sort of exhibition games.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Dakota Says:
Ravens might ask us about Palmer after the ravens lose in the playoffs again. Palmer would give that team a chance to win a super bowl.
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You really think Palmer would do that to his old team and fans?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens walk in there and pull out a major upset. And also smack Peyton in the mouth while doing it.
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Do you really believe that or are you speaking more with your heart because of your dislike for the donkeys?Also,why do so many on here like the Browns,I mean Ravens so much?You’d think the Harbaugh ran up the score and intentionally tried to embarrass the team this year more fans would be against them.
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I do not like the ravens, but them running up the score on us does not suddenly leap frog them over the broncos on the most hated list. Come on lefty!
And in a cold game, manning is not always at his best, which gives the ravens with their defense and running game a chance even in Denver.
Manning needs to throw two ints for the ravens to win. I give them a bit under 50-50 chance to win.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Ravens walk in there and pull out a major upset. And also smack Peyton in the mouth while doing it.
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Do you really believe that or are you speaking more with your heart because of your dislike for the donkeys?
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Probably a mix of both. I know the Ravens are old and the Donks have a great D and Peyton. But stranger things have happened and this is the playoffs. the regular season means nothing now. This is just one game.
You’re probably right, the Donks pull this one out. But part of me is thinking this could be a better game than people expect.
As for liking the Ravens… I’ve always respected that defense. Even after what they did to Rich. If the Raiders aren’t in the dance, and I need a AFC team to pull for, I usually pull for them.
It’s a love/hate thing.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
morilla Says:
But yeah, they are really worried about letting people on some blog know their intentions. It keeps them up at night.
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Speaking of that, is there an NFL rule that says they have to publicize who they interview? If it’s not somebody that needs permission?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
You can’t look at this information and tell me al Davis was a good GM. I am not saying he should have made these drafts, but you would think that a lot more of the players he drafted over nearly two decades would pan out. Makes you sick when you see all of the misses.
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Thanx for the interesting list, but every team in the NFL can do the exact same thing and come up with the exact same list.
The draft is, and always has been a crap shoot.
20/20 hindsite cherry-picking of the draft is meaningless.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Bromance or no bromance. DA and Reggie need to get that OC. I don’t care which one of those two wears the pants. Get that OC. I don’t care which one of those two does the cooking or the spanking. Just hire an OC already.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
Only time an NFL team has to publicize coaching matters are hires and fires. Interviews are usually leaked by agents/coaches/players.
Sometimes, the team can leak the interview to draw or create false interest in an individual.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
I hate them both to be honest.I hope they beat the crap out of each other.The problem is I can’t stand Hou or NE either.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
I hate them both to be honest.I hope they beat the crap out of each other.The problem is I can’t stand Hou or NE either.
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I hear you, it’s hard. But I generally always pull for the AFC to take the trophy home.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
That is unless Denver, KC, or SD are in the dance. Other than that I root for the AFC.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RaidO
haven’t the Raiders ALWAYS = silence?
Was this stressed about when Al was in charge?
He was pretty big on keeping things close to the vest.
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Got a link?
January 11th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Morilla-me too,but when at look at the 4 teams left that is really difficult.I’m actually going for Seattle I think even though they are NFC.At least they were once an AFC team.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
P Drank in the hizzy
Yo just got a fresh shipment of New Zealand shrimp in for tonight’s Reggae Party Boat
It’s goin’ down, already have 23 confirmed RSVPs from my girlfriend Cinnamon’s hippy friends
These granola babes always put out but you gotta wade through the moss first
Get it, they all have super hairy beevs
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Damn dude. You need to fire up the weed eater.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
And winning 2 Super Bowls should definetly be worthy of the HOF, but hell, winning 3 isn’t even enough to get Branch in.
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Double negatives are frowned upon, in this establishment.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
158-JFB,you just love it,don’t you.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
morilla Says:
I hear you, it’s hard. But I generally always pull for the AFC to take the trophy home.
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When I first became a fan(1979) and didn’t know any better, if the Raiders were out of the playoffs, my preferences were AFCWest first, and then AFC. That’s how I bet the superbowl, with McMahon and the Bears the only exception. I lost a lot. Elway and Kelly alone cost me six SB’s which is around when I quit betting. Well, usung that system, anyway.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RockinRaider Says:
Double negatives are frowned upon, in this establishment.
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We don’t have no reason to doubt that.
January 11th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Watching The Big Year. It’s awesome.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Al’s picks no doubt got progressively worse the older he got…no doubt he should have handed over the reigns at least as GM around 2003. Had he done that, I would have a lot less gray hairs now.
Some of the names I see in that list piss me off. Patrick Bates???!!!
January 11th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
If you leave the hiring of coaches too late, most of them have been hired to college or pros. Then you’re looking at slim pickings and end up with people like Greg Knapp. This is what happened last year when Reggie was hired GM late, and then his HC search was late, and then when Allen was hired, his OC/DC etc hirings were all late.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
My main question is Reggie should’ve done an “al” anyway, of interviewing many coaches to pick their brains at the very least.
As many have worried too…if reggie is waiting on a packer/falcon coach, what happens if both teams win this weekend, then we have to wait ANOTHER week to interview. Each week that goes by, more coaches get hired college/pros. Then, what happens if Reggie ends up not liking that coach? Or, that coach says, “thanks but no thanks”?
Just this week, how many coaches have been hired around the league? Next week more will get hired, other teams winding down their interviews and hurrying to snap coaches up.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
My main question is Reggie should’ve done an “al” anyway, of interviewing many coaches to pick their brains at the very least.
As many have worried too…if reggie is waiting on a packer/falcon coach, what happens if both teams win this weekend, then we have to wait ANOTHER week to interview. Each week that goes by, more coaches get hired college/pros. Then, what happens if Reggie ends up not liking that coach? Or, that coach says, “thanks but no thanks”?
Just this week, how many coaches have been hired around the league? Next week more will get hired, other teams winding down their interviews and hurrying to snap coaches up.
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Maybe they don’t really need to interview anyone. They already have their guy and they have agreed. Just waiting for their team to be done.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
[...] Brown, Sapp among finalists for HOF voting Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown and defensive lineman Warren Sapp are among the 15 modern-era finalists in voting for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Sapp is among the four first-year-eligible nominees. Brown made the cut for the final 15 last year be… [...]
January 11th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
GG,why do you keep saying Reggie?DA is the one who will hire his OC.And we have a safety net with Sanders.Calm down,you’ll be able to complain all you want after the hire is made.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
GG,why do you keep saying Reggie?DA is the one who will hire his OC.And we have a safety net with Sanders.Calm down,you’ll be able to complain all you want after the hire is made.
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You really think Reggie has enough confidence in DA to trust him with the matter of hiring his own OC after the knapp fiasco? And if DA really is hiring his own OC, do you trust that? And what’s taking him so long? Something is wrong and we do not know what it is. Something foul lurks asunder. I can smell it.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Bart Simpson Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
People think cuz the Raids are mum on the new OC they cookin up something under wraps. No way. DA and Reggie are lost. They’ve been turned down. Rejected. That’s why they is mum on the matter. Nobody wants to take them to the dance.
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I’m beginning to think the same thing.
Usually the Raiders are linked to everyone because agents “leak” the connection to use it as leverage.
Yet, not one candidate has even been rumored to be connected to Oakland.
Something is fishy.
Only other explanation I can think of is they have contacted their guy already and he has accepted the job but no announcement will be made until that team is out of the playoffs.
Still hard to keep stuff like that under wraps though.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
KoolKell, Plunkett over Gannon?
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With hindsight, I’d have to take Plumkett of course. Gannon threw 5 ints in his SB.
In the situation the Raiders are in “right now” I d take Gannon over Plunkett and Palmer.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Dan Marino is a HOF QB. Lol. a real one. One of the greatest passers of all time.
Besides, Marcus Allen carried the Raiders to those two Super Bowls.
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KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
The raider super bowl teams had more talent than the mid to late 1980s and the 1990s phins teams.
Was that al Davis or partly Ron wolf I don’t know…ancient NFL history means little to me.
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That’s because you know nothing about it. Whereas a seasoned renaissance man like myself……………
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You would think a seasoned renaissance man would have a clue on when a teams superstar played in the super bowl, wouldn’t you?
Funny watching you pat yourself on the back for being old and knowledgeable.
Only to watch you post and prove you’re just old, and rather clueless
January 11th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Punters play in the NFL, right ?
They play a vital role in establishing field position. How they perform can often be instrumental in determining the outcome of a game – right ?
So why isn’t the consensus greatest punter of all time in the HOF ?
Have to laugh at the moronic scribes that feel punters aren’t worthy of entry into the HOF and refuse to even consider them.
Wonder what Jerry’s and Cork’s take on this matter is.
Doubt if either one of them have a HOF vote.
RAY GUY SHOULD BE IN THE HOF.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
With hindsight, I’d have to take Plumkett of course. Gannon threw 5 ints in his SB.
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I’d agree, but I still blame Callahan more than Gannon for that debacle. And fate, winding up facing Gruden.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
Wonder what Jerry’s and Cork’s take on this matter is.
Doubt if either one of them have a HOF vote.
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Thought Jerry did.Could be wrong.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Rob Ryan = Rams DC
dang, now who will coach our LB’s?
January 11th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Bart Simpson Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
We are gonna be vulnerable to being out coached next season. Just like this year. There is film on DA now. Not good for us. All the opponents got to do is study the film on DA. We’re in for the long haul.
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Film on DA?
film on the hc?
Just when you think your stance won’t be an issue, someone goes and picks up on the tells.
Boy, I hate that.
January 11th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Reggie & Dennis should be looking hard at Norv Turner, Marty Mornhinweg & Cam Cameron for OC
Heck – maybe even Tony Sparano, Pat Shurmur & Mike Mularkey
If we settle for Al Saunders or John DeFilippo i’m gonna be so pissed!!
January 11th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Alan Lowry (Titans) has to be better than Hoffman was.
I’ll take him for ST Coach over Keith Burns!!
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Ken Whisenhunt & Pat Hill should also be considered for OC imo
Jeff Davidson & Brian Daboll wouldn’t be sexy picks for OC … but still better (and more qualified) than Al Saunders & John DeFilippo!!
January 11th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Lefty,
of the 10 OC candidates I mentioned, who would be your top pick?
and which ones should be considered “fantasy land” candidates?
January 11th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
I don’t have a top pick.To be honest I don’t know who is the best choice.I hope the HC hires the guy that will be successful and the guy he feels he can work with-that is his phucking job,not mine.I also don’t like to say this guy is the best because I don’t want to be pissed if he chooses someone I didn’t think of.When I mentioned fantasy land I was referring to those that don’t believe the HC will pick his OC but the GM will.As i said,CEOs don’t hire the dept heads,the people they hire do.In football,GMs hire HCs,HCs hire their staff.That is the norm.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Reggie/DA have been derelict in not interviewing at the very least. You never know if the guy you originally targeted a) impresses, b) accepts, c) team grants permission, d) takes another job with another team instead.
Reggie didn’t have Allen as on his first HC list. He interviewed other candidates first, and at some point decided to interview Allen, and then later grew to like him more than what people rumored would be Winston Moss coming here for sure.
If Reggie has his sights on a Packers/Falcons coach, all well and good, but if he’d interviewed a bunch of others during this whole interim, when he finally interviewed the target, he might change his mind and realize one of the others offered better.
Also, on that, you interview many in order to judge all of them side by side, see how they all would help the offense, their ideas, plans, philosophies, and can make a better evaluation of the one you targeted originally as your #1.
Like others have worried….not even one rumor or source leaking about the raiders and a potential coach. Something is fishy. Otherwise, I can only think Reggie/Allen have been DERELICT in their jobs not interviewing, not picking brains, putting all their eggs in one coach in the playoffs who for all we know might turn us down or they don’t like after an interview. Reggie/Allen showing their noobness once again in their jobs.
Like I said yesterday….the AFC West keeps getting stronger, except us, lagging behind.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
I’m sure Reggie and DA work together,go over candidates together,but the decision will be made by DA,as it should be.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
again, my focal point is….at least interview, bring coaches in to interview, pick brains, create a competition among potential coaches for the Raiders OC job, creating leverage, and above all….due diligence in better judging/comparing all these coaches plans/ideas on how to improve the offense before making a decision.
Like Davis only interviewing McKenzie for GM. Should’ve interviewed a number of them to best judge.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
GG,once,again as you often do,you are jumping to conclusions when you have no idea what is really happening.How do you know they haven’t interviewed anyone?How do you know they haven’t put out feelers and have gotten positive responses?You don’t,yet you say they aren’t doing their jobs.Ever heard of the saying loose lips sink ships!
January 11th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Lefty…good posts/points!
January 11th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
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Lefty, is that you?
January 11th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
They haven’t interviewed anyone, otherwise there’d be tweets from multiple sources, there’d be PFT articles including us as a team that so-and-so coach has done the interview circuit, there’d be articles by Corkran/McDonald about it on here.
Eg, Norv Turner. He’s had multiple articles written about him interviewing teams, before finally deciding on the Browns. The Raiders would’ve been mentioned alongside the other teams who interviewed him.
The ONLY thing I’ve read is what someone posted here about seeing Pete Carmichael at Oakland. But still, no other media source has mentioned an interview.
Trestman, Whisenhunt, Turner, etc have not had interviews with us.
But you’re right about something….Reggie COULD’VE put feelers out via phone with them, and likely got told, “thanks but not thanks” as they’re all interviewing for HC jobs or accepted OC jobs. Again, we’d have heard of the Raiders showing interest in them, even if no interview was had, by their agents or the likes of Cole, Silver, Schefter, Breer, etc.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
That’s me,KK.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Jets focus on a trio of potential offensive coordinators
Posted by Mike Florio on January 11, 2013, 9:37 PM EST
Rex Ryan, Woody Johnson AP
As the Jets prepare to hire a successor to Tony Sparano as offensive coordinator, the list of candidates stands at three.
Per Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News, they are former Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg, Bengals assistant Hue Jackson, and former Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron.
All three men once served as head coaches, with Mornhinweg in Detroit, Jackson in Oakland, and Cameron in Miami. Of the trio, Mornhinweg last the longest at two years.
Their experience as head coaches could make them candidates for the interim head-coaching job, if the 2013 Jets fail miserably and Rex Ryan is fired during the season.
Jackson’s presence could put the Jets in play for Carson Palmer, if he’s cut by the Raiders. If Mornhinweg gets the job, speculation linking Mike Vick to the Jets will increase. Either way, the Jets will still have to deal with Mark Sanchez’s contract, which pays him a fully-guaranteed $8.25 million in 2013, with no offset.
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Raiders cutting Palmer?
Why are these guys not connected to Oakland(other than Hue)?
January 11th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
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Trust da to make the decision? He should be babied every step of the way. This is the same buffoon who hired Greg Knapp.
DA should be monitored 24/7. he’s screwed up this organization enough.
Cuz of him, we’re sitting here watching other teams in the playoffs instead of us.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
You don’t know if they have interviewed anyone or not.As far as Jerry or Cork reporting it,you must be joking.They are usually a half a day to a full day late on things reported by the national media about the Raiders.Besides,both are working on the whiners play-off run.They don’t have time for the Raiders until something is announced.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
I ‘friendly bet’ that
Either….
Reggie has put all his eggs in the Packers basket. Just waiting for them to lose so he can formally interview and hire one of the assistant coaches he’s pre-determined he wants to hire.
Or…
Leaving it to Allen at the Senior Bowl to put feelers out, see if he likes a coach or two as an OC candidate, and then after returning from the Senior Bowl, Reggie and him can interview together these hand-picked 2 or 3 coaches Allen liked and that they were also interested in coaching with him.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
After the knapp disaster what’s da gonna do for an encore? chuck bresnahan for OC?
January 11th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Cuz of him, we’re sitting here watching other teams in the playoffs instead of us.
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Yeah,right.When you return to reality let me know,maybe we can talk.Look,whether you like it or not,DA is the HC.HCs hire their staffs.That is how things work in the real world not dictated by an old man who was once great at what he did but time passed him by.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Bleacher report says we should have an oc by the time that game starts. Once again we’ll be a day late and dollar short. Of course al saunders just makes too much sense for these idiots.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
#214…
What I meant is…
If we have interviewed anyone, it WOULD HAVE been mentioned by PFT, Breer, Cole, Silver, Schefter, etc, with ALL THE OTHER teams who also interviewed those coaches. THEN we’d have had an article by Corkran/McDonald about how that coach had an interview. Just like they posted McClain’s arrest after it got reported by everyone else.
All the coaches that have been doing the interview circuit have had tons of articles written about all the teams they’ve interviewed with or set up interviews with. Not one of them has been reported to have interviewed with or asked permission to be interviewed with by the Raiders.
Thus…none of them have been interviewed by the Raiders. Not one coach has, is the realistic/logical conclusion.
The ONLY RUMOR has been Pete Carmichael….that wasn’t even reported, just someone mentioning it here. And that doesn’t count as a reliable source.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Wonder who Beeech Diggity Dawg wants for OC. As long as he has some super man sized nads, I’m down with that. Lets git this partay started. PMPP in splooge effect.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Here’s an article just posted btw…
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/11/3867996/oakland-raiders-top-playoff-oc-candidates-could-be-in-green-bay-packers
January 11th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
When going over through the coaching staffs on each team for the best offensive coordinator candidates, a stunning realization occurs-They’re all Packers. So, criticize Reggie McKenzie all you want about plucking talent from Green Bay but if he were to do it this time, you can’t blame him. The best options still on playoff teams appear to all be Packers.
If this were true, it would also mean naming an offensive coordinator would wait until the Packers are no longer in the playoffs. They defeated the Vikings last week and play the 49ers in this weekend’s division round.
Here are those offensive coordinator candidates in order of possible interest:
Ben McAdoo, QB coach, Packers
McAdoo was promoted to his current post as quarterbacks coach last season after Tom Clements was promoted to offensive coordinator. It makes him an up and coming coach in the NFL ranks just as Dennis Allen was before last season. McAdoo spent the previous six seasons as tight ends coach in Green Bay. Packers head coach, Mike McCarthy hired McAdoo as an assistant offensive line/quality control coach while he was the 49ers’ offensive coordinator and brought McAdoo along with him to New Orleans and later Green Bay. So, you could say he liked him.
Raiders connections: McAdoo spent six seasons as tight ends coach in Green Bay while Reggie McKenzie was an executive there. Was assistant offensive line/quality control coach in San Francisco in 2005 which was Jason Tarver’s first season as outside linebackers coach there.
James Campen, Oline coach, Packers
A former NFL center for the Saints and Packers, Campen moved on to coaching. He has been with the Packers since 2004 and has been their offensive line coach since 2007. In his first season as the offensive line coach, the Packers offense went from being ranked 22nd to 4thin points and 2nd in yards and has been top five in all but one season (when they were ranked 10th) since then. Many people will point to Aaron Rodgers being the most sacked quarterback in the NFL as a detractor. But if you watch the games, that is more a factor of Rodgers than the offensive line. He has time to sit in the pocket and prefers to take a sack than make an ill advised throw. It has paid off. The Packers have also had a great deal of success running the ball in the zone blocking scheme with several low drafted or undrafted players such as Ryan Grant (undrafted), James Starks (Round 6) and Alex Green (Round 3). Dennis Allen says he is not married to any scheme but that doesn’t mean he won’t flirt with the ZBS again. We know he likes it.
Raiders connections: Originally from Sacramento. Born and raised in Northern California. Was on Packers staff eight years while Reggie McKenzie was an executive there.
Jerry Fontenot, TE coach, Packers
Like Campen, was a former NFL center who moved into coaching. Those centers are smart guys. Before entering the NFL, he had played every single position on the offensive line in college at Texas A&M. He spent 16 years in the league with the Bears, Saints, and Bengals, retiring in 2004. He joined the Packers as a coaching intern in 2006, was named assistant offensive line coach in 2007, then running back coach in 2011 before being named tight ends coach last season.
Raiders connections: Attended Texas A&M and graduated just a couple seasons before Dennis Allen arrived as a player for the Aggies. Dennis Allen’s father, Grady, also played at Texas A&M and is a member of the Texas A&M Hall of Fame. Fontenot spent six seasons with Reggie McKenzie in Green Bay.
One interesting name not on the Packers:
Pat Hill, Oline coach, Falcons
Yes, THAT Pat Hill. The former head coach of the Fresno State Bulldogs. He was head coach at Fresno State for 15 seasons from 1997-2011. During that time he led the Bulldogs to 11 bowl game appearances while developing many NFL players including Trent Dilfer, former number one overall pick, David Carr, current Patriots guard Logan Mankins, and Chargers current starting running back, Ryan Mathews.
Raiders connections: Los Angeles California native, went to high school in Lake Arrowhead California. Has spent 24 of his 38 years in coaching in California.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
If going off that list, I’ll take a punt on it being Jerry Fontenot. An Allen+Reggie connection.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
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Lefty, is that you?
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January 11th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
The most important aspect of whomever DA brings in as OC is this — has said coached called plays before.
DA — if he sticks to the same mantra — will let the OC call the plays on gameday.
January 11th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Raider8 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
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Trust da to make the decision? He should be babied every step of the way. This is the same buffoon who hired Greg Knapp.
DA should be monitored 24/7. he’s screwed up this organization enough.
Cuz of him, we’re sitting here watching other teams in the playoffs instead of us.
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After reading some of the comments in here, I decided to post what I think about DA hiring an OC. My feeling is Reggie had no trust in DAs ability to hire an OC and that isn’t sitting well with DA. DA is also sick of Reggie plucking all he can from Green Bay. Reggie wants the next OC from GB and Allen wants his own guy, whoever. We got a battle of egos. Look for DA to bolt cuz Reggie doesn’t trust him. And DA knows it.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
GG,most of the articles you see have headlines like Jets are targeting so and so.Either the team puts it out who they are targeting or someone speculates who they are after.Just because we haven’t made any public statements doesn’t mean we aren’t doing anything.How often are these lists totally wrong in the end anyway?The media thrives on throwing out BS and more often than not they don’t know what they are talking about.You can’t honestly believe we aren’t doing anything but sitting on our rears and twiddling our thumbs.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Alan Lowry (Titans) has to be better than Hoffman was.
I’ll take him for ST Coach over Keith Burns!!
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Who’d we have last year that DA let go? I’ll take him.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
The reason we won’t see Al Saunders at OC is cuz he ain’t a DA guy. Or a Reggie guy. Besides, it makes to much sense to put a guy in there who has the best pulse on the offense. DA and Reggie defy logic.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Until I see reports/stories/tweets saying Raiders have not interviewed anyone and are sitting on their laurels, I will go under the belief the team is doing things to fill coaching vacancies.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
So Cutler in Chicago is “one of the most talented QB’s in the league” according to Peter King and Ed Werder but Palmer is a candidate to be ‘cut’ by the Raiders?
Palmer’s stats blow Cutler away career wise and recently, and Cutler had Forte and Bush as well as a 100 catch # 1 receiver in Brandon Marshall, and Plamer had what? DMAC’S 3.3 ypc and an undrafted rookie who caught 19 passes in college as HIS #1?
Gimme a break.
These big name analysts need to be called out for their b.s.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
Raiders didn’t re-up Fassel. Since he felt no interest from Oakland, he signed on with the Rams.
Fassel and Waufle, that’s two coaches from the Raiders’ staff last season now on the Rams’ staff.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny
I believe both Peter King and Ed Werder have diabetes, which also ails Cutler. That is the reason for all the love.
On a more serious note, diabetes is a serious ailment.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Just say NO to Star Lotulelei
— He doesn’t use his hands well
— His game is beating the man in front of him seems like he doesn’t know where the ball is most of the time
— As quick and strong he is still misses his gap often
— Some people say he is the next Ngata not even close, he might be the next Dorsey at best
— Add to the mix lack of stamina and you have a bust waiting to happen
Thanks but no Thanks
Just the Germanaitor baby
January 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Funny, kinda relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=veGle47qS9A
January 11th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Until I see reports/stories/tweets saying Raiders have not interviewed anyone and are sitting on their laurels, I will go under the belief the team is doing things to fill coaching vacancies.
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Exactly.One can argue the pros and cons of how good these guys are doing their jobs,but to assume they are doing nothing is ridiculous.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
GG,most of the articles you see have headlines like Jets are targeting so and so.Either the team puts it out who they are targeting or someone speculates who they are after.Just because we haven’t made any public statements doesn’t mean we aren’t doing anything.How often are these lists totally wrong in the end anyway?The media thrives on throwing out BS and more often than not they don’t know what they are talking about.You can’t honestly believe we aren’t doing anything but sitting on our rears and twiddling our thumbs.
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jackasspuria Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Until I see reports/stories/tweets saying Raiders have not interviewed anyone and are sitting on their laurels, I will go under the belief the team is doing things to fill coaching vacancies.
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Again, not one of the coaches doing the circuit the last couple weeks, who has been hired or still interviewing has been reported to have had an actual interview with the Raiders.
Their itinerary has been documented, confirmed. Coach So-and-So flew here, interviewed there, has a meeting set up with x,y,z team.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
234-and what scouting group do you work for,because it would seem you are the only person involved with football that has this opinion.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
I bet you all (friendly bet) Reggie is stacking his basket with a Packers coach as that article from SilverandBlackPride discussed.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Raider8 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Why not wait,see who DA hires,and then you guys can complain all you want,which I’m positive you will.And yes,DA will hire his staff.We are no longer run by a dictator who forces coordinators and assistants on his HC.The HC will bring in someone he feels comfortable working with.If he and his staff fail once again,they will be replaced.That is how it is done and should be done.The CEO of a company doesn’t hire the head of accounting.Think real world instead of the fantasy land many of you are stuck in.
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Trust da to make the decision? He should be babied every step of the way. This is the same buffoon who hired Greg Knapp.
DA should be monitored 24/7. he’s screwed up this organization enough.
Cuz of him, we’re sitting here watching other teams in the playoffs instead of us.
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After reading some of the comments in here, I decided to post what I think about DA hiring an OC. My feeling is Reggie had no trust in DAs ability to hire an OC and that isn’t sitting well with DA. DA is also sick of Reggie plucking all he can from Green Bay. Reggie wants the next OC from GB and Allen wants his own guy, whoever. We got a battle of egos. Look for DA to bolt cuz Reggie doesn’t trust him. And DA knows it.
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I like people who are willing to make conspiracy theories like this. I do it all the time. No harm in reading between the lines intelligently. Even if it ends up wrong.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Maybe we’re doing nothing about an OC right now because maybe the Raiders will need a HC after the senior bowl. Maybe Reggie isn’t about to can DA at this point, but he might be a wait and see. Also, Reggie has a better chance for a HC once Green Bay is out of the playoffs. Think about it. Why haven’t we got an OC when all the other teams have. Reggie may be waiting to give Allen the pink slip if he embarrasses himself in the senior bowl.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
GG
Until Schefter, Jerry Mac, Cork, Tafur, King, Florio and any other media outlet can go on the record and put it on their site — with quotes would be even better — the Raiders have not interviewed a single soul or made progress or is even attempting to, in terms of filling coaching vacancies, I will be under the belief the team is doing something.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
GG,the key word is ‘intelligently’.That comment is far from it.If RG and DA didn’t trust each other or were sick of each other,why wasn’t DA let go along with the others?
January 11th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Someone tweet Jerry/Steve/Silver/Cole/Breer and ask if they’ve heard ANY WORD WHATSOEVER of the Raiders showing interest, requesting interview, or being interviewed.
I bet you all of them say they’ve heard nothing at all.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
I’m sorry I don’t buy this crap. Either DA and Reggie think a decent OC will fall out of the sky and land in their lap, which is why their doing nothing to find one, or Reggie is about to can DA once he finds the right ‘guy’.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny
I believe both Peter King and Ed Werder have diabetes, which also ails Cutler. That is the reason for all the love.
On a more serious note, diabetes is a serious ailment.
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Really the only thing Cutler has on Palmer is age. I think Cutler is 30 and Palmer just turned 33.
If we have no shot this coming season to do anything than I wish they WOULD trade him to the Jets and then maybe do something for him that the Raiders refused to do….get him some decent receivers.
Raider fans don’t give a crap about him anyway cuz he doesn’t live up to our high standards of excellence.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
Imo, reggie is still evaluating the season, the coaches/players. And waiting for the packers to lose so he can interview/hire someone from the packers he pre-determined he wants.
That’s my CTheory, reading between the lines of the last two weeks inactivity/silence.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
DJ Johnny
My buddy who is a Jets fan, says he’s heard the Jets are very interested in getting Cam Cameron on board.
He, however, would like Hubris to come to NY. He’d like to see Palmer and DMC dealt to the Jets.
Pipe dream I told him. But, if Hubris did land with the Jets, you never know…
January 11th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
GG,the key word is ‘intelligently’.That comment is far from it.If RG and DA didn’t trust each other or were sick of each other,why wasn’t DA let go along with the others?
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Maybe Reggie and DA thought they could make it work. But you got to have trust to make a relationship work and I doubt there is any there.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
GG
Sent an email off to ProFootballTalk, specifically, Florio.
He’s pretty good at getting back to you if you email the PFT peeps and direct the note to Florio.
Was surprised.
Been trading emails sporadically since PFT broke Moss to the Raiders back in the day.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
From Rotoworld.com via the Cleveland paper…
The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that new Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski “is set” to hire Norv Turner as his offensive coordinator.
Chud is actually a Turner disciple, having worked beneath him for several years in San Diego. It’s also believed that Mel Tucker may follow the two from Jacksonville to run the Browns’ defense. Turner will return from a vacation on Saturday, at which point the Browns are expected to schedule a press conference. Chudzinski will be in charge of all personnel decisions in Cleveland, so he will likely leave playcalling duties up to Turner.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
DJ,don’t judge the whole Nation by the big mouthed haters on here.
GG-why do you refuse to acknowledge the HC will make the hire and not the GM as stated by the GM himself?
January 11th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
#252 if I may. Trust. Do you really feel Reggie has enough trust in DA to allow him to hire his own OC? Just cuz he says one thing doesn’t mean it’s so.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
I reckon ProRaider might be onto something if you look at the case of Terrelle Pryor.
Reggie (on behest of Mark) came out after Saints game and said he wants to see Pryor in extended action in order to properly evaluate him. Allen did very little. Wasted two weeks ‘teaching him how to dress’ and even the week of the chargers game said Leinart was the starter and Pryor wasn’t back-up ready. He did a complete about-face 24 hrs later.
That’s very insightful imo, like ProRaider intimated.
I posted a few days ago a similar thought…that Reggie fired quickly Knapp, Hoffman, Holland, Pollack. Day or two after Chargers game. No way Reggie would’ve been able to do a FULL season evaluation of the entire football department, including all the coaches/players, in such a two-three day span.
So, Allen could STILL be on the hot-seat. Him at Senior Bowl is no indication. We need a HC to qualify to coach there. And Al’s done it in the past, firing coaches after the senior bowl, keeping them hired to glean info.
I personally think Allen is returning, but I think there’s a possibility reggie could still fire Allen.
But i do believe reggie has been evaluating all this time and probably has pre-determined an OC from the packers coaching staff. Which imo is not very good. Gotta interview, compare plans/ideas, drum up some competition/leverage for the Raiders OC position, and due diligence not just hire 1 person from 1 interview like Davis did with Reggie…which we all think was noobish.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
GG
Sent an email off to ProFootballTalk, specifically, Florio.
He’s pretty good at getting back to you if you email the PFT peeps and direct the note to Florio.
Was surprised.
Been trading emails sporadically since PFT broke Moss to the Raiders back in the day.
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Thanks! Thumbs up. Will be keen to hear back what you get from him.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
GG
You bring up a good point.
I have zero confidence in Mark Davis. If the Raiders continue to flounder — badly — blame McKenzie and DA all you guys want.
I will be pointing the finger at who is truly to blame for the mess — Mark Davis.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
GG
Of course, Florio was adamant to me in emails Lechler was going to be cut because he openly supported Cable when the Cable Guy was axed.
Florio said sources told him Lechler was good as gone because he pissed off Al so badly with those supporting comments about Tom.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Unbelievable.As Popeye says”I’ve had all I can stand,I can’t stands no more”.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
GG. Quite true. Reggie was done evaluating by the time the SD game was over. Wasted no time. He probably is giving a little more time with Allen, but will wait til after the senior bowl. Doesn’t look good. If we had an OC by now, I wouldn’t be concerned for Allen. But I’m starting to think there is mutual lack of trust between Allen and Reggie.
January 11th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I just dont think other people here should get frustrated with people like myself or ProRaider wanting to analyze stuff, read between the lines, and come up with possible scenarios of what might be happening.
None of us are pretending to be insiders etc. We’re just speculating, adding food for thought during this long period of no news etc. And objectively, it has been intelligent points being made by people on both sides of the debate. Not stupid trolling.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
GG Says:
And objectively, it has been intelligent points being made by people on both sides of the debate. Not stupid trolling.
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Well, I checked the blog by-laws and it turns out that’s allowed. Anytime. No restrictions. Surprised the he11 out of me!
January 11th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
I sent a tweet to Bill Williamson (ESPN’s AFC West correspondent).
January 11th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
GG Says:
And objectively, it has been intelligent points being made by people on both sides of the debate. Not stupid trolling.
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Well, I checked the blog by-laws and it turns out that’s allowed. Anytime. No restrictions. Surprised the he11 out of me!
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Lol. No rules against mutinying to another thread either
Tho we were so close to breaking the record
January 11th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
jackasspuria Says:
Fassel and Waufle, that’s two coaches from the Raiders’ staff last season now on the Rams’ staff.
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And now Ryan as DC. That’s my brothers team and if they soar next year and we don’t I’ll be miserable.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Anything is possible, but the chances of Tits getting canned now are extremely remote.
Reggie most likely would have fired him along with Krapp and Hoffman if that was his intention. Would have cleaned house in one fell swoop.
Nope, sorry to say Tits will almost certainly return in 2013.
That’s unfortunate, because if there was ever a HC that deserved and needed to be fired – it’s smiling titty boy.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Also tweeted Ian Rapport (NFLN).
Both him and Williamson asked if they’ve heard any word whatsoever of the Raiders interviewing or requesting an interview with a coach for the OC job, or if there are even any rumors of a targeted coach still in the playoffs.
Doubt they’ll directly respond to me. No one ever does on Twitter
lol
January 11th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Bill Williamson replied just then lol…
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Bill Williamson @espn_afcwest
@GGEden quiet.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
No news is not good news. Something’s brewing. And it’s going to be ugly. Break ups always are. It’s not out of the realm of thinking to wonder what’s going on. Won’t come as a surprise to see Reggie can DA, or Mark canning Reggie. The silence is not golden, but instead is the calm before the storm.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Bill Williamson replied just then lol…
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Bill Williamson @espn_afcwest
@GGEden quiet.
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What’d he say? Is Reggie looking for a new HC?
January 11th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
DJ,don’t judge the whole Nation by the big mouthed haters on here.
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I don’t Lefty. I guess I see things a little different than what alot of fans are seeing… we all have our own take on almost everything.
I look at what the Bears are doing with a lesser QB like Cutler and I think we should be doing the same thing. Forget if u think Palmer sucks, for the amount of $ they’re paying him and what we gave up wouldn’t you think they would want to give him every chance in the world to get something out of that investment?
Giving him an UDFA rookie who caught 19 passes in college and a 5th rd. draft choice in DMoore IS NOT doing it.
Cutler isn’t happy with his QB coach so they snap up Bates from Denver. Cutler doesn’t like Martz so they can him and bring in Tice. Now there’s talk that Cutler will be in on the decision process for the HC gig. They say absolutely at the least they intend on consulting Cutler and want him and the new coach to meet before they hire him. Cutler wants his old all pro buddy from Denver? No prob…we’ll go get Marshall for you.
Palmer will probably have to log on to the blog to find out who OUR new OC is.
Of course I don’t know that to be the case, i’m just sayin’.
He’s got nothing where we sit right now.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I tend to agree ProRaider #268.
Can’t say how far, the extent of it, that I agree, but something’s brewing.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Bill Williamson replied just then lol…
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@GGEden quiet.
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What’d he say? Is Reggie looking for a new HC?
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His reply is saying, “it’s been quiet, no word whatsoever of an interview, request to interview, or even a rumor of an interest in an OC”
January 11th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Conversation to date…
@GGEden
@espn_afcwest Has there been any word whatsoever of Raiders interviewing or requesting interview for an OC? Any rumored playoff candidate?
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@espn_afcwest
@GGEden quiet.
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@GGEden
@espn_afcwest Gut feel what this could mean? Internal problems? Or things running smoothly, Reggie/Allen in good standing with each other?
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January 11th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Vic tafuar already tweeted this morning answering the same question from fans.
Its quiet. NO RUMORS.. NOthin
btw I’d be in favor of trading Palmer to Jets.. see what u could get and what not. If reggie makes a play for a GB OC.. go after Flynn if u can.. if not draft qb to compete with pryor.
its a rebuilding team anyway. 2014 Draft is stacked per NFL Draft insiders way more then 2013. I know fans dont wanna hear it, but Reggie is building for the futures.. ya he wants to compete but who knows he may be suprised with wins this year.
Kinda like the Oakland Athletics or Warriors.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Anything is possible, but the chances of Tits getting canned now are extremely remote.
Reggie most likely would have fired him along with Krapp and Hoffman if that was his intention. Would have cleaned house in one fell swoop.
Nope, sorry to say Tits will almost certainly return in 2013.
That’s unfortunate, because if there was ever a HC that deserved and needed to be fired – it’s smiling titty boy.
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The only big thing that could be happening…and it isn’t…is we find out the Gruden rumors were actually true and they can’t make the announcement now cuz the Senior Bowl thing screwed it all up as far as the timing.
We need these conspiracy theories to liven things up. I don’t care if there’s no chance in heck of it happening. Keep the conspiracies coming.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I tend to agree ProRaider #268.
Can’t say how far, the extent of it, that I agree, but something’s brewing.
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I can only see three scenarios.
1). There us something brewing behind the scenes with a coach still in the playoffs.
2). They are throwing all their eggs in hiring a playoff coach, without any guarantee.
3). Reggie and DA are using #2 and using Saunders as a back up plan
4). Reggie and DA are struggling understanding the hiring process and can’t agree on a strategy.
I think #3. If anything but #1 it would be very disappointing. At this point their is no harm in bringing in coaches to interview.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Sorry 4 scenarios…
January 11th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
I still think Gruden rumor is possible
January 11th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
GG. Thanks. Here’s another thought that just popped into my head. The “it’s been quiet, no word what so ever” reply to you tells me this: Reggie’s packing his bags. He may even be gone. And DA is bolting right after the senior bowl. And Mark is left holding the bag of a whole lot of nothing.
Either these guys, Reggie, DA and Mark are extremely clueless and don’t know how to go about finding coaches, after all, look at Reggie running home to Green Bay every time we need a scrub and DAs hiring of knapp, or, they’ve all packed their bags and flew the coop.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
#276 good post/speculations RudeGruden.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
GG Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
I still think Gruden rumor is possible
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How great would that be!
January 11th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
DJ Johnny
My buddy who is a Jets fan, says he’s heard the Jets are very interested in getting Cam Cameron on board.
He, however, would like Hubris to come to NY. He’d like to see Palmer and DMC dealt to the Jets.
Pipe dream I told him. But, if Hubris did land with the Jets, you never know…
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Now that would be an interesting to see what we could get in return.
It would free up a ton of money.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Btw, better to ask ESPN and non-beat writers per se, as they wont avoid speculating, under no pressure to only post nice positive things.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
The only big thing that could be happening…and it isn’t…is we find out the Gruden rumors were actually true and they can’t make the announcement now cuz the Senior Bowl thing screwed it all up as far as the timing.
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How do you know it isn’t? That is a very logical point. It makes more ‘hopeful’ sense than my diatribes.
January 11th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
new post
January 11th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Here are the possible variations of a search for a OC are playing out:
1. Reggie and DA are clueless and the lack of trust between the two complicates matters. They have no understanding of the protocol.
2. Reggie is waiting to see if DA embarrasses himself at the senior bowl before he decides weather to retain him or not.
3. Reggie already has Gruden on board and is just waiting for the senior bowl game to be over and then fires Allen.
4. Reggie has secretly packed his bags and has moved on.
5. The calm before the storm. Something is festering big time. Again, no news is not good news.
6. The frustration of the season is still weighing heavy on Reggie and he can’t get past it. Not sure if finding a OC is a priority right now.
7. Reggie is banking on the entire Packer staff coming to Oakland (absurd, but so was the hiring of DA and the approval of knapp).
8. There is a power struggle going on. Think about it. Why no word on possible coaches to replace the ones that were fired. And, did DA have Reggie’s blessing to fire knapp, or was DA goin HueJax on the Raiders?
9. Maybe their taking the ‘better keep silent and appear dumb than to speak and remove all doubt’ approach.
Just some food for thought gents.
January 17th, 2013 at 6:41 am
SOMEBODY..ANYBODY..
January 17th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Yo… this is much better!
January 17th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Who needs moderators anyway?
January 17th, 2013 at 7:15 am
So how far does Te’o drop in the draft when it comes out that he’s openly gay?
January 17th, 2013 at 7:16 am
If it comes out the he is gay I think he will be drafted very high. NFL teams couldn’t afford the publicity of the perception of homosexual discrimination
January 17th, 2013 at 7:18 am
I don’t think he did this because he is gay though. He could have simply used his faith to explain why he didn’t have a gf (like Tebow) if he were trying to cover being a homo. It was a publicity grab.
January 17th, 2013 at 7:21 am
If it comes out the he is gay I think he will be drafted very high. NFL teams couldn’t afford the publicity of the perception of homosexual discrimination
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Wouldn’t this be reverse discrimination though? Draft the gay guy. Solidify the LBGT fan base? I hate to admit it, but I don’t know if I want him as a Raider. And not so much because he’s gay, it’s his mental makeup. We need stable people as the backbone of the new generation.
January 17th, 2013 at 7:24 am
Using faith as cover for being homo is so weak. I have a lot of admiration for priests and men who are in semenary for what they are doing with their lives. I think it’s counter to natural instincts to be celibate. Straight or homo, it’s impossible to deny those feelings. I think it’s actually harmful to try. But to hide behind the cross instead of come out is really pathetic stuff and reflects poorly on the church and all it stands for.
January 17th, 2013 at 7:25 am
I could care less if he is a hemorrhoid hitman or not, I dont want him at #3 overall, but if we were to get him in the second round, that would be pretty awesome.
January 17th, 2013 at 7:25 am
No more pathetic than creating a fake girlfriend.
January 17th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Ok, I’m here…yaya! Less than 300 posts…
January 17th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Think back on the draft we took McClain. At #8 overall it looked like value. What if he had fallen to us in the second round? What a steal that would have been, right?
Still think so??
January 17th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Manti got 99 problems but a B**CH aint one.
January 17th, 2013 at 8:09 am
guest123 Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Manti got 99 problems but a B**CH aint one.
LOL…good one!
January 17th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Are we jumping back and forth here???
January 17th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Here are two diametrically opposing view points. Just for the hell of it with out explaination what side you on. Taking this to the previous post with only 350 hits. Again for our blog bros w/smart phones.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/01/11/brown-sapp-among-finalists-for-hof-voting/.. Thanks for playing.
charminultrasoft Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:16 am
he_Judge37 Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:12 am
1833.charminultrasoft Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:10 am
sacks don’t tell the whole story. QB hits and pressures are FAR more important. palmer was getting his ass kicked all year. he’s a smart veteran QB and gets rid of the ball quickly, otherwise he gets sacked 60 times
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Like his underhanded Interception? That should’ve been a Sack. Let’s not throw the “Smart” label around so loosely
>> 14 ints in 565 pass attempts. thats a Good ratio actually, give any QB these same players and it wouldn’t be much different.. especially when YOU are the offense. i don’t get the Palmer hate. the dude IS the offense.
1. Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Carson took a team that was 13-12 it’s previous 25 games, to 8-17 the next 25 games.
His 4-12 Bengal team, made the playoffs the next two years.
That is a helluva red flag “4,000 yards” passing and all.
QB’s and leaders elevate the play of their teammates. That’s why Tom Brady’s WR’s stink before and after they are in New England, and win Super Bowl MVP’s when they are there.
Tom Brady makes the playoffs in 2011 with this team no problem, and last year AT THE ABSOLUTE WORST, would have us still playing for something in December.
I understand that Tom Brady’s don’t grow on tree’s, but Carson Palmer’s do, and not at $13 million dollar price tags.
January 17th, 2013 at 11:30 am
My vote is Palmer is the best player on our Offense
January 17th, 2013 at 11:35 am
I would have to agree with that one as well!
January 17th, 2013 at 11:41 am
I thought I was gonna have to talk to myself. Which isn’t that unusual actually. LOL
January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Here are two diametrically opposing view points. Just for the hell of it with out explaination what side you on. Taking this to the previous post with only 350 hits. Again for our blog bros w/smart phones.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/01/11/brown-sapp-among-finalists-for-hof-voting/.. Thanks for playing.
charminultrasoft Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:16 am
he_Judge37 Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:12 am
1833.charminultrasoft Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 10:10 am
sacks don’t tell the whole story. QB hits and pressures are FAR more important. palmer was getting his ass kicked all year. he’s a smart veteran QB and gets rid of the ball quickly, otherwise he gets sacked 60 times
————
Like his underhanded Interception? That should’ve been a Sack. Let’s not throw the “Smart” label around so loosely
>> 14 ints in 565 pass attempts. thats a Good ratio actually, give any QB these same players and it wouldn’t be much different.. especially when YOU are the offense. i don’t get the Palmer hate. the dude IS the offense.
1. Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Carson took a team that was 13-12 it’s previous 25 games, to 8-17 the next 25 games.
His 4-12 Bengal team, made the playoffs the next two years.
That is a helluva red flag “4,000 yards” passing and all.
QB’s and leaders elevate the play of their teammates. That’s why Tom Brady’s WR’s stink before and after they are in New England, and win Super Bowl MVP’s when they are there.
Tom Brady makes the playoffs in 2011 with this team no problem, and last year AT THE ABSOLUTE WORST, would have us still playing for something in December.
I understand that Tom Brady’s don’t grow on tree’s, but Carson Palmer’s do, and not at $13 million dollar price tags.
Palmers Good Sucks
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January 17th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Some poll guy can take this over “you know who you are”
January 17th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
It’s being said on the other post that all we need is an elite qb and we’re in the playoffs.
No need to talk about anything else.
It doesn’t make a difference if you’ve had the worst defense in franchise history, or no running game, or receivers rated in the bottom half of the league, the only thing that matters is the QB.
Just thought i’d let you guys in on that.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Palmer is not the problem. We need players, period. #53 reciever in the league is our best reciever. Just not good!!