Woodson grew up after he left the Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 11th, 2013 at 10:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Green Bay Packers defensive back Charles Woodson attained a level of production and respect he never had in Oakland.
The fact is, when Woodson left in free agency, his career was on the rocks. Even Tampa Bay coach Jon Gruden, who loved Woodson’s talent, did not authorize a big contract during free agency for the 2006 season.
Instead, Woodson signed with the only team that offered serious money _ the Green Bay Packers. And after relocating to the central United States with a team that would seem to have little to offer a player notorious for enjoying himself, Woodson instead thrived.
I remember writing a column before Woodson’s departure lamenting how a Hall of Fame talent would never reach the Hall of Fame. It’s not lot like I’ve never been wrong before, but it turns out I was way off base.
A link to Saturday’s story on Woodson after talking with Tim Brown and Rich Gannon . . .
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January 11th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Raiders!!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Knew Jerry would post this, has been tweeting about this the last x hours
January 11th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Great. Another Hall of Famer gone off the roster.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Here are the possible variations of a search for a OC are playing out:
1. Reggie and DA are clueless and the lack of trust between the two complicates matters. They have no understanding of the protocol.
2. Reggie is waiting to see if DA embarrasses himself at the senior bowl before he decides weather to retain him or not.
3. Reggie already has Gruden on board and is just waiting for the senior bowl game to be over and then fires Allen.
4. Reggie has secretly packed his bags and has moved on.
5. The calm before the storm. Something is festering big time. Again, no news is not good news.
6. The frustration of the season is still weighing heavy on Reggie and he can’t get past it. Not sure if finding a OC is a priority right now.
7. Reggie is banking on the entire Packer staff coming to Oakland (absurd, but so was the hiring of DA and the approval of knapp).
8. There is a power struggle going on. Think about it. Why no word on possible coaches to replace the ones that were fired. And, did DA have Reggie’s blessing to fire knapp, or was DA goin HueJax on the Raiders?
9. Maybe their taking the ‘better keep silent and appear dumb than to speak and remove all doubt’ approach.
Just some food for thought gents.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Woodson needed GB. Would have wasted away here doing whatever the flip he pleased. I still remember his interviews where he just basically laughed off the notion of reviewing game film.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Hey guys! We need an ST coach stat!
January 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ProRaider, I wish #3 was the case, but not very likely at all. They are waiting for some of these teams to get eliminated. Problem is…the guy that hired Knapp is in charge of hiring his replacement. Knapp was his first choice last year.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
The only big thing that could be happening…and it isn’t…is we find out the Gruden rumors were actually true and they can’t make the announcement now cuz the Senior Bowl thing screwed it all up as far as the timing.
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How do you know it isn’t? That is a very logical point. It makes more ‘hopeful’ sense than my diatribes.
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Definitely keep those thoughts coming. I like what you and GG are posting. It’s fun to speculate. Sports is supposed to be entertaining.
It sure beats the incessant ‘be patient for the next 5 yr’s’ crowd. They may be right, they may be wrong, but it sure is boring to see that stuff repeated day after day.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Bill Williamson, judging by the quality of his writing, is not smarter than a 5th grader.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Good ole Greg ‘we teach what we know’ Knapp. How anyone could look at our offensive roster, then look at Knapp and say ‘yeah, he’s the guy we want!’ is incomprehensible. And yet, that is exactly what DA did.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
The only big thing that could be happening…and it isn’t…is we find out the Gruden rumors were actually true and they can’t make the announcement now cuz the Senior Bowl thing screwed it all up as far as the timing.
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How do you know it isn’t? That is a very logical point. It makes more ‘hopeful’ sense than my diatribes.
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Definitely keep those thoughts coming. I like what you and GG are posting. It’s fun to speculate. Sports is supposed to be entertaining.
It sure beats the incessant ‘be patient for the next 5 yr’s’ crowd. They may be right, they may be wrong, but it sure is boring to see that stuff repeated day after day.
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Problem is we’ve sweated out the last twenty two years. This wait for five year approach is for the birds. People say that when they are not sure of the outcome. Get Gruden in here and we got it goin. DA and Reggie took a step backwards. 5 years ain’t gonna be enough time. Besides, I think those two fight a lot. Lack of trust, lack of mutual cooperation, lack of professionalism.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ProRaider, I wish #3 was the case, but not very likely at all. They are waiting for some of these teams to get eliminated. Problem is…the guy that hired Knapp is in charge of hiring his replacement. Knapp was his first choice last year.
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Can’t attest to the accuracy of the story I heard but in that story Knapp was the 5th or 6th guy selected for the OC. Supposedly, Reggie nixed 1-5. How bad must those choices have been?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
This wait for five year approach is for the birds.
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Who said we needed to wait 5 years? It’s 10.
10 and THEN!
January 11th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Yes, we are knitting a quilt
January 11th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
JB Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
ProRaider, I wish #3 was the case, but not very likely at all. They are waiting for some of these teams to get eliminated. Problem is…the guy that hired Knapp is in charge of hiring his replacement. Knapp was his first choice last year.
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Can’t attest to the accuracy of the story I heard but in that story Knapp was the 5th or 6th guy selected for the OC. Supposedly, Reggie nixed 1-5. How bad must those choices have been?
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I have a hard time believing it. Knapp was hired I think either the day after or 2 days after DA was introduced as head coach. I find it far fetched that they had gone through 5 candidates in the span of a day. Nah, don’t believe that for a second.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
We also need a STC, O-line & LB assistants too. Somebody better get started or we’ll end up with the bottom of the barrel again.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
That’s what I’m saying!
No sense in sitting on your hands waiting for an OC. Get a Special Teams coach now! Reid already snagged one.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
there was more info coming out of the Kremlin in the early 80’s then there is out of Raiders HQ.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
That nonsense about knapp being DAs third or fourth choice is just a cover up. When did that rid bit surface anyway? Smoke and mirrors that was.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
This wait for five year approach is for the birds.
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Who said we needed to wait 5 years? It’s 10.
10 and THEN!
papertiger418 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Yes, we are knitting a quilt
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…or that post where Fred said Reggie is making a “Super Bowl sandwich”, which takes 20 yr’s to finish.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
That nonsense about knapp being DAs third or fourth choice is just a cover up. When did that rid bit surface anyway? Smoke and mirrors that was.
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Agreed. I guess it makes some people feel better to think that.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
JB Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
We also need a STC, O-line & LB assistants too. Somebody better get started or we’ll end up with the bottom of the barrel again.
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Gruden already has his staff ready to go.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
The OC hired will determine what kind of O-line coach is needed but there is no reason to wait on the others.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
How many of you guys are either divorced or have dumped a GF because she wasn’t what you thought she was?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
That’s what I’m saying!
No sense in sitting on your hands waiting for an OC. Get a Special Teams coach now! Reid already snagged one.
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Why are we waiting? Why are we not getting busy with next season? Something smells fishy. Maybe their just spinning their wheels in the mud. But it still smells mine the less.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Looks like Hue may have to start sharpening the knife again:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/jets-focus-on-a-trio-of-potential-offensive-coordinators/
January 11th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Gruden or Cowher etc wont come here not because of cash but because they want way too much power ,they want at least half the GM`s power,this is why they are not hired immediately by anyone…soon as Reggie was hired,may as well dismiss any notion of Johns return
January 11th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
JB Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
We also need a STC, O-line & LB assistants too. Somebody better get started or we’ll end up with the bottom of the barrel again.
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Gruden already has his staff ready to go.
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If Gruden already has his staff in place, Reggie will come out of this as a genius. Pulitzer peace prize material. Times man of the year. Mayor of Oakland. It is our only hope.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Count me in, Lefty!
I’d like to think that my judgment of others is fairly well calibrated. However, it seems to hit a blind spot when it comes to women.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
rudegruden Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
That nonsense about knapp being DAs third or fourth choice is just a cover up. When did that rid bit surface anyway? Smoke and mirrors that was.
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Agreed. I guess it makes some people feel better to think that.
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yeah, DA was hired on Jan 27, had a press conference on the 30th, and announced Knapp the next day on the 31st.
Don’t think he looked at anyone else.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Lefty, I’m sure you’ve heard the saying ‘love is blind’. People make bad decisions in the name of love. Lets not compare that to a HC picking the best man to run his offense. Unless you’re saying there was a bromance involved?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
#30
agreed
January 11th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
How many of you guys are either divorced or have dumped a GF because she wasn’t what you thought she was?
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Are you suggesting DA isn’t what Reggie thought he was? If so, I’d have to agree. The honeymoon is over. Like a long time ago.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
So last offseason Mike Tice was interviewed for the HC job before Reggie hired Allen.
Wonder if he will be a candidate for OC?
January 11th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Count me in, Lefty!
I’d like to think that my judgment of others is fairly well calibrated. However, it seems to hit a blind spot when it comes to women.
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When I was single, I never wasted much time on bad women. You’re no good? Be gone! Found the right girl and been married for 14 years. I nailed it.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
JB Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
We also need a STC, O-line & LB assistants too. Somebody better get started or we’ll end up with the bottom of the barrel again.
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Gruden already has his staff ready to go.
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If Gruden already has his staff in place, Reggie will come out of this as a genius. Pulitzer peace prize material. Times man of the year. Mayor of Oakland. It is our only hope.
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The only problem with that scenario is something would’ve surely leaked out along the way if he was talking to any asst’s anywhere..you would think.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Lefty, are you saying DA and knapp had a bromance and knapp turned out not to be who DA thought he was? Or did Reggie have something to do with breaking them up? Not all love at first dates live happily ever after. Maybe Reggie has a complicated affection for DA and that is why DA is still here. And until the Raiders say why they’re keeping so quiet on all this, we can speculate any thing we want. Till then, I’m taking the line that they are clueless.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
It’s weird since Reggie took over, nothing he’s done has made me believe we are headed in the right direction. I haven’t given up, but something just seems off.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
What I’m saying is DA made a mistake but he corrected it by firing Knapp.If he fails again them he will be history.Everyone makes mistakes.Besides as is well documented he wasn’t hired until everyone else had their staffs together so he hired someone he felt comfortable with who is respected around the league,if not by those on here.Bad choice,sure,but it would have been worse if he stood by him and kept him for another year.At least he acknowledged his error.On here people won’t acknowledge they are wrong even when it is proven.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
there was more info coming out of the Kremlin in the early 80’s then there is out of Raiders HQ.
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Ha. Lmao. We’re all waiting for the smoke to come wafting out of the building.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
The contracts of two of the most valued members of the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff have expired, making offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and offensive line coach/running game coordinator Aaron Kromer coaching free agents
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
The only problem with that scenario is something would’ve surely leaked out along the way if he was talking to any asst’s anywhere..you would think.
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One would think. But Gruden is a powerful dude and if he says he wants silence about the new staff, then silence it will be.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
#36…
Until Reggie/Allen start making brilliant or even just smart moves, hires and acquisitions, having a history of such behind them, it’s hard to imagine them making any such smart moves in the present day.
I glass is half full it, staying positive of them making good/brilliant coaching hires, gameplans, roster acquisitions, and draft picks.
But until then I also imagine things just keep getting worse. Them making bone-headed coaching hires, draft picks, roster transactions, and seeing more on-field failure in 2013.
Things continuing to be frustrating and a joke.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
39, True Lefty. Not to take away from DA owning up to his gaffe but he knew he had to do it even if it killed him to own up to the mistake.
DA is smart enough to know that Knapp is the type of guy that can cost him his own job.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
#43…
Basically, I haven’t seen much good from either of them to date to be positive of any decisions/choices they make in the present day.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Violent Hands Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
The contracts of two of the most valued members of the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff have expired, making offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and offensive line coach/running game coordinator Aaron Kromer coaching free agents
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Could you imagine Gruden at HC and Carmichael at OC???
January 11th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
The only problem with that scenario is something would’ve surely leaked out along the way if he was talking to any asst’s anywhere..you would think.
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One would think. But Gruden is a powerful dude and if he says he wants silence about the new staff, then silence it will be.
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That’s true. I guess if he had a couple trusted guys they could keep it under wraps.
I love the speculation, but i feel like we have to file this one under “too good to be true”.
There’s always hope something good will happen though.
We deserve it, imo.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
This is whay I love the night crew.
January 11th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
I dispute the boneheaded roster moves many complain about.Did they keep bringing in new guys and letting guys go.Sure-what else could they do-our roster stunk.At least we ended up with a few of decent CBs,a decent BU RB(Stewart),our MLB was replaced as he should have been.Carter was an improvement as a pass rusher over anything else we had.Reg signed a couple of FA DBs and he replaced them when it was obvious they were sub par.He got a decent WR as an UDFA.Not every move was great but he started rebuilding this team and the players he used to replace ones he let go were better,IMO.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:00 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
The only problem with that scenario is something would’ve surely leaked out along the way if he was talking to any asst’s anywhere..you would think.
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One would think. But Gruden is a powerful dude and if he says he wants silence about the new staff, then silence it will be.
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That’s true. I guess if he had a couple trusted guys they could keep it under wraps.
I love the speculation, but i feel like we have to file this one under “too good to be true”.
There’s always hope something good will happen though.
We deserve it, imo.
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Unfortunately, blind faith is all we have. I’ll keep thinking Gruden is secretly negotiating to make myself feel better even if highly unlikely (.5% chance)
January 12th, 2013 at 12:01 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
The only problem with that scenario is something would’ve surely leaked out along the way if he was talking to any asst’s anywhere..you would think.
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One would think. But Gruden is a powerful dude and if he says he wants silence about the new staff, then silence it will be.
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That’s true. I guess if he had a couple trusted guys they could keep it under wraps.
I love the speculation, but i feel like we have to file this one under “too good to be true”.
There’s always hope something good will happen though.
We deserve it, imo.
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We do deserve it don’t we! This franchise owes its fans something positive.
Only problem is Mark is living in Cocaine fantasy land and got advice from John Madden, the most senile man in football. So we end up with Reggie aka “Let’s Build the Oakland Packers” and Dennis aka “Trust me, the Zone Blocking Scheme works”.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Back-N-Black Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Violent Hands Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
The contracts of two of the most valued members of the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff have expired, making offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and offensive line coach/running game coordinator Aaron Kromer coaching free agents
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Could you imagine Gruden at HC and Carmichael at OC???
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no chance post #27
January 12th, 2013 at 12:09 am
Just dawned on me that the hold up on the OC could be because these guys are stuck.
Reggie hired DA because he wanted to mirror Green Bay. Those are the players he knew and he understood how to evaluate players for that system.
DA and Reggie both LOVE the ZBS and now they are stuck because it didn’t work under Knapp.
If they bring in another ZBS coach and it bombs they will both be looking for work, but if they bring in someone with a different system then Reggie is f’ked because that’s the only players he knows how to evaluate.
Maybe they just don’t have a clue how to move forward. They were so sure there plan was going to work that when it failed it blew their mind.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:11 am
Violent Hands Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Back-N-Black Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Violent Hands Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
The contracts of two of the most valued members of the New Orleans Saints’ coaching staff have expired, making offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael and offensive line coach/running game coordinator Aaron Kromer coaching free agents
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Could you imagine Gruden at HC and Carmichael at OC???
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no chance post #27
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Didn’t say it was happening… CAN YOU IMAGINE IF IT DID??? Just take a moment and bask in the warm fuzzy feeling you would have if this came true.
Now… back to reality with Reggie and Allen
January 12th, 2013 at 12:19 am
They are not committed to any scheme DA said in presser,now whether he was told to say that is another matter,seemed like it choked him to say it
January 12th, 2013 at 12:41 am
They definatly need to upgrade the defense, especially DT, LB and CB. I think the offense is fine if they have good coaches and the right scheme. The coaching/play calling has been horrible the better part of the last 10 years on one, if not both sides of the field. And for the love of God, can they figure out how to cover a screen play on defense. Teams shred us on those.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Senior Bowl Date: January 26, 2013
Packers could very well win this weekend, and the next.
Could be another 3 weeks of zzz’s before hearing anything on the coaching front — be it any possible HC change or staying the course and hiring an OC.
Like someone posted just before…there’s nothing holding Reggie back from hiring a LB or ST coach (not related to a new OC).
Why no interviews whatsoever??
Maybe it’s true there’s a possibility of a whole new HC post-Senior Bowl.
Nothing stopping Reggie/Allen from hiring a LB, ST coach outside of an OC search.
Only reasonable suggestion…Allen trawling the Senior Bowl for coaches to hire.
January 12th, 2013 at 5:17 am
Wow, there goes my top pick!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/11/norv-turner-to-join-browns-staff-as-offensive-coordinator/
January 12th, 2013 at 5:25 am
Bill Callahan the likely choice for the OC job in Dallas
January 12th, 2013 at 5:52 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/12/raiders-teammates-say-green-bay-has-changed-charles-woodson/
Appears as if Gannon and Tim Brown are chiming in that the environment made the team decline in addition to the lack of a GM.
January 12th, 2013 at 5:57 am
Rudegruden Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
It’s weird since Reggie took over, nothing he’s done has made me believe we are headed in the right direction. I haven’t given up, but something just seems off.
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7.4 mil over the cap, ten years of losing, and a lot of proven OCs just arent interviewing…McKenzie has to put a structure in with very few proven people around him – no Eric DeCosta, no Greg Gabriel …
it is what it is… a lot of wishful thinking and not well coordinated drafts – paralysis, no innovation, etc. IT IS SIMPLY NOT THEIR ERA
at some point it would have all come together
the great rookie, the veteran comeback player, the gutsy coordinator that motivated a “misfit” offensive line, that one coordinator that fashioned a new approach
none of these archetypes that create winners came together, amid turnover, giving up on players, and over paying the wrong players … somehow the mystique dematerialized and by 2012
What happened?
January 12th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Back-N-Black Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
So last offseason Mike Tice was interviewed for the HC job before Reggie hired Allen.
Wonder if he will be a candidate for OC?
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Good point made…now you got me thinking, but isn’t he the OC in Chicago?
January 12th, 2013 at 6:38 am
Hue going to the Jets would do wonders for our ability to schlepp off Palmer onto them for some draft picks.
And I am going to pull a Mistic and Priest here and say I called it first!!! Nobody else can appreciate it, everyone else is an imposter and not coming up with their own opinions.
January 12th, 2013 at 6:40 am
I don’t think we could get a 2nd straight up for Palmer, but I bet if we dangled a 6th rounder with it, we could.
Carson and a 6th, for the Jets 2nd.
Or do they even have a 2nd? I know they traded all kinds of moving parts for Sanchez and others.
January 12th, 2013 at 6:48 am
4 got four games, of ZBS teams (Bal-Hou-GB-Sea) going up against 4 more power oriented teams (Den-NE-SF-Atl).
Should make for good debate in here afterwards.
15 degrees in Denver, I think Flacco is going to outplay Peyton.
January 12th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Baby, looks like the Jets have the #39th pick overall!
With that being said…the Oakland Raiders with the #39th overall pick of the 2013 NFL Draft select: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State
You heard it here 1st!
January 12th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Something to cheer about.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–the-nfl-s-10-best-cheerleading-squads-2013-020109788.html
January 12th, 2013 at 6:56 am
If Xavier is gone, they select: Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama
Oh yeah…uh huh!!
January 12th, 2013 at 7:06 am
The other day I was at home watching Netflix, just finished watching Gabriel Iglesias. Well, at the end of every session Netflix recommends other similar episodes/movies. A girl by the name of (also stand-up comedy) Anjelah Johnson. So I decided to give her a shot, she was kinda cute!
Turns out this chick was a Raiderette during our playoff/Superbowl run…look her up!
She be talking smack about them Cowgirls and how gangsta the Raiderettes are…chick is funny!
January 12th, 2013 at 7:06 am
If Eddie Lacy came here, I wouldn’t be suprised if he almost instantly became our best offensive skill player.
No top-shelf talent on offense.
January 12th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Anjelah Johnson was out here at the Route 66 casino a month ago.
Didn’t know she was a former Raiderette!!! They were comping me “free” tix and I blew it off.
January 12th, 2013 at 7:11 am
That is, no top shelf talent outside of the “19th best QB in NFL history”.
January 12th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Been looking at alot of mock draft and I don’t see a RB selected in the 1st round…at all!
Might be the 1st time in a long time! But no doubt Lacy would be an upgrade to TJ and Goodson!
January 12th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Who is the #1 RB on the mocks?
I liked that Franklin kid from UCLA.
January 12th, 2013 at 7:27 am
R8eray Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 7:06 am
The other day I was at home watching Netflix, just finished watching Gabriel Iglesias. Well, at the end of every session Netflix recommends other similar episodes/movies. A girl by the name of (also stand-up comedy) Anjelah Johnson. So I decided to give her a shot, she was kinda cute!
Turns out this chick was a Raiderette during our playoff/Superbowl run…look her up!
She be talking smack about them Cowgirls and how gangsta the Raiderettes are…chick is funny!
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yeah, she is hot, and funny…. filipino and latina?
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January 12th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Who is the #1 RB on the mocks?
I liked that Franklin kid from UCLA.
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There is none. It was supposed to be Marcus Lattimore. (then that nightmare trainwreck accident that made his lower leg look like a sock being pulled out of a dryer)
Lacy or Montee Ball will go first late 2nd mid 3rd – then its Stepfan Taylor of Stanford
January 12th, 2013 at 7:31 am
I don’t think Montee Ball has the burst for the NFL.
Can’t really catch out of the backfield either.
January 12th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Wow, catching up. When did it turn into an episode of the Xfiles? Where is Mulder and Scully? I’ll be right back, heading to the store because I think you guys might be out of tinfoil.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
4 got four games, of ZBS teams (Bal-Hou-GB-Sea) going up against 4 more power oriented teams (Den-NE-SF-Atl).
Should make for good debate in here afterwards.
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JFB.
Good morning buddy, Both systems work, you hire the people to run the one that fits your personnel.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Chico,
I like Michael Dyer. He broke Bo’s freshman record at Auburn.
5′9, 205+, and runs with speed and power.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:15 am
I don’t have an issue with the “lack of activity” regarding the OC and ST Coaching search, as long as we get it right and I like that the organization remains secretive in their ways, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Didn’t Michael Dyer get hooked on Spyce and then rob someone at gun point?
January 12th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Good morning Bob.
Correct sir, both systems can work, and great RB’s like Lynch and Ray Rice can run in either system no problem.
But……some people like to take sides in the debate, and so it is kind of cool that we have 4 games that match one system against the other today.
The debate rages on!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Chico,
I know he had off the field issues , but I don’t know exactly what happened. He was suspended at Auburn and was kicked out of ASU too, but I’m willing to draft him later in the draft. 5-7.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:23 am
O, the only RB coming out of Auburn this year is McCalebb…maybe next year!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Yeah….did a little reseach on Dyer.
He IS NOT a draftable player. Maybe UDFA type.
Sounds like Cecil Collins 2.0
January 12th, 2013 at 8:25 am
R8eray Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:23 am
O, the only RB coming out of Auburn this year is McCalebb…maybe next year!
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He transferred to ASU before he was kicked out..
January 12th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Yeah….did a little reseach on Dyer.
He IS NOT a draftable player. Maybe UDFA type.
Sounds like Cecil Collins 2.0
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Not “draftable”?! Why not?
January 12th, 2013 at 8:30 am
o, BECAUSE HE WILL BE UDFA…you don’t have to draft him!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:33 am
A good late round TE is Gavin Escobar from SDSU. I also like CB Leon McFadden.
Fear The Spear MFers!!!
Aztecs for Life!!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Really, why not?
He has been kicked out of two schools, been arrested a few times, multiple gun violations and by next preseason won’t have taken a carry in over 18 months.
I’d say that is a pretty decent reason to not waste a draft pick on him.
OK, maybe our last 7th round pick, I’ll cede that.
Sounds like more trouble than what he is worth.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:34 am
R8eray Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:30 am
o, BECAUSE HE WILL BE UDFA…you don’t have to draft him!
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Smart a$$. lol
January 12th, 2013 at 8:35 am
I’d rather draft a kid like the Franklin dude from UCLA, a West Coast dude who is super smart and a great kid.
Enough of these gun-toting Southerners!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:35 am
JFB.
You mentioned that if Hue were to get the NYJ job, we might be able to trade Palmer to them.
I think from a football standpoint it makes sense, Rex is on the hot seat and Palmer gives them a better chance to win now than Sanchez but…
The Jets are facing huge salary cap issues, they owe Sanchez like 8 million next year, I don’t think they can’t possibly add Palmer’s salary, even if he restructures.
In fact, I think the player that might interest them is McFadden, Hue knows how to use him and they say Shon Greene won’t be back, McFadden has a big salary next year as well but not close to Palmer’s and since D-Mac is in the last year of his deal, they could work out a long-term deal and lessen the cap hit in 2013.
You put D-Mac behind a decent run-blocking unit like the Jets and under Hue’s system and he should thrive again.
What would we get?.
I’d say a 2nd rounder is possible, so is 3rd and a 5th or maybe two 3rd rounders, 2013 and 2014.
Then there’s the Falcons, Turner is done, Jacquizz is too small and Snelling hasn’t been capable of overtaking Turner’s snaps.
If Atlanta falls short of the Super Bowl again, coming of a 13 win season and home-field it’s going to be because they can’t run the ball, you have to think they would be willing to add more punch to their running game and McFadden with Roddy ad Julio outside makes for a formidable trio of weapons.
The Falcons have finished paying up picks from the Julio trade, so they have a full slate.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Really, why not?
He has been kicked out of two schools, been arrested a few times, multiple gun violations and by next preseason won’t have taken a carry in over 18 months.
I’d say that is a pretty decent reason to not waste a draft pick on him.
OK, maybe our last 7th round pick, I’ll cede that.
Sounds like more trouble than what he is worth.
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I remember M Shanarat drafting a kid from The OSU who didn’t take a snap in 18 months. He was a RB too, and he was drafted in the THIRD.
M Clarett!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Anyone remember Cecil “the Diesel” Collins?
Played real well as a freshmen in the SEC, got kicked out of school, went to a D-II school, got in more trouble, went to the draft, and within about a year was in jail for years.
Same story as Dyer up until this point.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:38 am
I remember M Shanarat drafting a kid from The OSU who didn’t take a snap in 18 months. He was a RB too, and he was drafted in the THIRD.
M Clarett!
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Yeah, and he went to training camp, got his “goose on” during practices, and ended up in jail.
Trends O, trends!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Bob,
I don’t think we could get a present 4th round pick for McFadden.
If we took it in later years (2014, 2015) then maybe the pot would be sweetened.
Too many injuries and lack of production in his career, not too mention $5 million guaranteed next year, which puts him close to the top 5 paid at his position.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:38 am
I remember M Shanarat drafting a kid from The OSU who didn’t take a snap in 18 months. He was a RB too, and he was drafted in the THIRD.
M Clarett!
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Yeah, and he went to training camp, got his “goose on” during practices, and ended up in jail.
Trends O, trends!!!!
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The reward is worth the risk in later rounds. A lot of the those kids don’t make the final roster.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Associated Press All-Pro Team got selected…
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000125147/article/allpro-adrian-peterson-jj-watt-headline-teams?campaign=Twitter_atl
January 12th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Just say no to players that like drama and trouble.
Morning, folks. I see some of the regular am crew are here.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:44 am
I do not see us moving Palmer.
Pryor is simply not ready.
I could see us trying to move Dmac. He is an interesting talent but he needs massive amounts of space to be effective. I am not sure what his YAC is but it seems low. The injury issues are well documented.
I am a big supporter of the power scheme with primary ball carriers like Bush, Wheatley, Hubbard and Van Eeghan.
Change of pace guys like Clarence Davis, Charlie Smith and Charlie Garner are needed but they are complementary pieces.
Dmac gas a big contract which is a problem. Of further concern is our oilne.
I would be happy if we used our number one on the oline but our dline is in worse shape.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Norvell to the Browns? Darn, 1 good candidate off the list.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Nobody is going to give up a decent draft pick, $5 million in guarantee’s for someone who they are not sure who can give them 10 games before he comes a FA.
They would rather just try to find the next Alfred Morris and pay him 350K for a few years.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:48 am
When you google “get my goose on” it brings up all kinds of article on Clarett showing up to Bronco’s camp with his own “Water bottle” full of grey goose.
LOL……great draft pick Shanarat!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Last season we passed on drafting 3 “character” guys that turned out to be very good players, undrafted LB Vontaze Burfict and RB Bryce Brown and 7th round CB Alfonzo Dennard, now I’m good with going “safe” on top picks, but from round 5 and on, you have to take a few shots with some of these talented but troubled kids.
I mean Nathan Stupar offered no upside whatsoever, you find his type anywhere, we could have afforded to take a shot on Burfict, Dennard or Brown, I hope from now on we take a shot once in a while.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:50 am
You will not see us go anywhere near questionable character types with Reggie drafting.
With the money that is being tossed around, players you draft need to be self motivated, professionals IMMEDIATELY to have an impact.
This was one of Mr Davis’ failings as he aged.
Players like JR and McClain were not mature enough to deal with the money they fell into. Back in the day, NFL players still needed to work hard. Some had to work a job in the off season to support a family.
In this day and age, coaches can teach many things but motivation is not one of them.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Once this franchised is triaged, we will take so more chances.
Right now we are still on life support and no risks can afford to be taken, IMO.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Last season we passed on drafting 3 “character” guys that turned out to be very good players, undrafted LB Vontaze Burfict and RB Bryce Brown and 7th round CB Alfonzo Dennard, now I’m good with going “safe” on top picks, but from round 5 and on, you have to take a few shots with some of these talented but troubled kids.
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Exactly!
January 12th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Once we have strong leaders on both sides of the ball, then Reggie will be able to draft the Burficts of the world.
As we saw with the article on Charles Woodson, and as we saw happen this year, and all you hear Pryor, Reggie, and Allen talk about is having strong leadership in the club.
Once we have that, then we’ll see a turn around, and our organization able to develop risky draftees.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Marley
If you have a solid core of self policing guys in the locker room you can take on a project once in a while.
With the exception of Palmer, I do not believe we have that type of guy in the locker room.
The Raiders of old used to take on a project about once a year. With a core group of Shell, Upshaw, Brown, Otto, Conners you could do that.
Not now.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Bob,
The big test for those players is the offseason.
Burfict had no off-the-field baggage, he was just damn near bi-polar on it and showed up to the combine fat.
Not one team drafted him, so it wasn’t just us.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Jeff Fischer is gonna have one heck of a coaching staff. Smart coaching = wins. Fischer (besides Gruden and HueJax) were my two hopes when Reggie was hired on. But ‘his guy’ Allen has spoken volumes about the competence of his ability to find the right type of coach. Hopefully Reggie is smart enough to see his gaffe and DA has a pink slip in hand before he leaves Mobile. Maybe Gruden is in the wings. But this coaching game of musical chairs is frustrating when you see all these other teams putting together thier staffs.
January 12th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Just fire.
That has been the Shanahan MO for years and it used to be ours.
Build the in box talent with high picks and then pick up Marv Hubbard in round 11 or Van Eeghan in round three and run the ball.
Not sure how much of that was Mr Davis or Ron Wolf.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Shanahan hasn’t won, what, one playoff game in 15 years?
That model has been proven to be highly ineffective, IMO.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Once this franchised is triaged, we will take so more chances.
Right now we are still on life support and no risks can afford to be taken, IMO.
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Pull the plug. Don’t rock the boat, sink it (Putney Swope). Why do we need the long road of recovery when other teams are bouncing right out of the sick bed. SD means business finding a new coach, and KC is already at work. What are we doing? Waiting to see if DA embarrasses hisself in Mobile? Great plan Reggie.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Here is the model for success:
smart coaches.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Nobody would trade for McFadden?.
The Bills traded Marshawn Lynch in 2010, at the time he had lost his starting job and was a back-up for Fred Jackson, he was coming of a career low 420 yard season and a 3 game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct poilicy, with the ensuing risk of a longer suspension if he screwed up again.
Buffalo got a 4th round pick in 2011 and a 5th round pick in 2012, a huge steal but Lynch carried a ton of baggage at the time.
McFadden’s stock right now is higher than Lynch when he was dealt, I think we could trade him and fetch better value, a 2nd or 3rd and 5th, a couple of 3rds maybe.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:08 am
I am pretty sure Reggie and DA have a wink-wink deal with a couple of coaches from these staffs still in the playoffs to interview as soon as their season is over.
Al waited until Jan 27th to hire Hue after 2009.
Saunders can run the drills in Mobile, perfect gig for a 67 year old consultant.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:08 am
The Bills traded Marshawn Lynch in 2010, at the time he had lost his starting job and was a back-up for Fred Jackson, he was coming of a career low 420 yard season and a 3 game suspension for violating the NFL’s personal conduct poilicy, with the ensuing risk of a longer suspension if he screwed up again.
Buffalo got a 4th round pick in 2011 and a 5th round pick in 2012, a huge steal but Lynch carried a ton of baggage at the time.
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Good and proper coaching straightened his ass out.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Pro Raider
I will not bore others on this blog with the background of our cap issues, lack of picks and abysmal roster talent that I have documented at length on several occasions.
Our situation is unlike any team in the NFL in the last 20 years.
Please dont get me started on coaching. It is 20% of the game.
Player talent is what determines wins and losses.
Let me know when coaching salaries make up the majority of the Raider payroll then we can talk.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Lynch almost had as many yards in his 3 yards as Darren has had in 5 years with us, and one less TD.
And no history of injuries.
But yeah a 4th and a 5th. I said McFadden could maybe get us a 4th, so that is about right.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:12 am
I don’t see the trouble in spending a 7th round pick on Dennard or signing an undrafted kid such as Burfict or Brown, any player you get at that point has like a 5% shot at maing the team anyways, I’d rather take the talented guy with upside and character issues than the Nathan Stupar’s of the world, like I said, late picks or undrafted, I agree with going with solid kids in rounds 1 to 5 or 6.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Good and proper coaching straightened his ass out.
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Yup, Marshawn Lynch constantly praises Tom Cable for resurrecting his career.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:15 am
How do we know Reggie didn’t place a call to Burfict of Brown after the draft, and those kids chose to go another direction?
January 12th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
How do we know Reggie didn’t place a call to Burfict of Brown after the draft, and those kids chose to go another direction?.
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Uhm, we don’t, let’s not get into imaginary situations, fact is we did not get them, spending a 7th runder on either would have secured them.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Yet many on this blog thought Cable was a buffoon when in Oakland. Amazing how smart a Russell Okung can make a coach look.
No, I think it was Seattle building in the box talent with high round picks over the last several years that helped Lynch. Seattle simply has a better line to work behind than Buffalo.
I like Cable but like any coach he needed talent.
He has it on the line in Seattle.
He had much less line talent in Oakland.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:24 am
And guys, I’m not making a big deal out of it and I’m not even trying to call out Reggie for it, the rest of the League missed on them too, I’m just saying I’d be a bit more agressive and willing to take a shot on that type of kids…maybe when I’m running my team, lol.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:27 am
I don’t see the trouble in spending a 7th round pick
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To us fans of course, and in a practical sense it really doesn’t when you factor in the % of 7th rounders who actually even play in the NFL.
But when you are dealing with people at the top of their professions, like an NFL GM, they think every 7th round pick they can turn into a future impact player.
BTW, Bryce Brown was drafted the pick BEFORE Nathan Stupar, and Denard about 10 picks before, so they weren’t on the board when we took the great Stupar.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Like issue mant times, we should focus on DL, and we don’t need to invest a lot in our OL when we lack impact players.
How many teams won SBs this decade with avg OL and without investing high picks in the OL?
January 12th, 2013 at 9:32 am
JFB.
Stand corrected, but they were the more talented players available in round 7, we could have moved up a few spots for either, specially Dennard at a position of need.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:24 am
And guys, I’m not making a big deal out of it and I’m not even trying to call out Reggie for it, the rest of the League missed on them too, I’m just saying I’d be a bit more agressive and willing to take a shot on that type of kids…maybe when I’m running my team, lol.
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You should hire me when you start running your team. I have a lot of good ideas, and I’m good with #’s, odds, analyzing/ evaluating risk & Return.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Not like some people here who got their degrees/ certificates from Chico U.
I’m joking Chico.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:35 am
I like what the Browns are doing:
“ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that Browns head coach Rob Chudzinski is targeting Chargers DC John Pagano as his defensive coordinator.
Citing a source, the Cleveland Plain Dealer’s Mary Kay Cabot confirmed Shefter’s report. This move fits the Brown’s anticipated shift from a 4-3 to 3-4 base defense.
If Pagano does go to Cleveland, he’ll likely join former Chargers head coach Norv Turner, who is expected to be named the Browns’ offensive coordinator when he returns from his family vacation in Hawaii.”
San Diego’s Defense played well all year.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Dennis Allen alluded to the fact that eventually the players run the team and we are not there yet. So bringing in troubled guys would be a disaster. Charles Woodson was exactly that here: sleep through meetings, party the night before games and overall eff around. That’s the way it has been around here for DECADES. And no one is held accountable. Do any of you think Justin Smith goes out partying til 8am Game Day morning? You need certain guys to set the tone for your team. We don’t have those guys, and bringing in really troubled 7th rounders is not the answer in my mind.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:37 am
O…lol, consider yourself hired, get ready to relocate any minute now.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Thx Bob. I won’t let you down.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Yeah, the Bengals are the model for player leadership…Marvin Lewis and Mike Zimmer made Burfict a Pro, same as with Pac-Man.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Not like some people here who got their degrees/ certificates from Chico U.
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My community college has one guy on the HOF ballet this weekend, and one QB starting one of these playoff games today.
Will we hear ANY SDSU references all this weekend?
Fighting Roadrunners!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 9:42 am
I am kind of curious who the Panthers will hire as OC, and what his plans are for the offense.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:43 am
HOF Ballet?! Wow. Great achievement.
Ever heard of HOFer M Faulk? He was an Aztec.
Every year 1-3 players get drafted from SDSU.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:44 am
O
I know we have had this debate in the past and you are fond of the Giant/Steeler argument.
Those teams have faded a bit because of poor line play.
Depth on the lines is important and those team suffered some injuries on the lines and their lack of depth showed thsi year.
Ben and Eli can do just so much. You have to give these guys support in pass protection and running.
Big Ben is getting knocked around quite a bit and at his age he can not take those hits.
Our lines are in very bad shape and we can not afford any misses.
The earlier Lynch argument is another example of how a good Oline can elevate an entire team.
The Seahawks and Redskins have gotten back to the playoffs by using high picks in recent years to build the in the box talent.
Most of the league does it.
The Raiders used to do it as well.
I am confident we will be returning to it with Reggie.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
I am kind of curious who the Panthers will hire as OC, and what his plans are for the offense.
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Seems like they are all over the place, Hue Jackson and Pat Shurmur are candidates, complete opposites, Hue seems like a much better fit.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:45 am
I like Cable but like any coach he needed talent.
He has it on the line in Seattle.
He had much less line talent in Oakland.
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And yet he managed to go 8-8. DA and knapp were responsible for at least 10 of the 12 losses this year.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Yeah, the Bengals are the model for player leadership…Marvin Lewis and Mike Zimmer made Burfict a Pro, same as with Pac-Man.
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They’ve rolled the dice on those types of players and you can’t exactly say it has worked out incredibly well for them. Pac Man played really well for them. So has Burfict. But they haven’t won anything. And guys like Geno Atkins is the type of player I am talking about. Is Tommy Kelly a leader?
January 12th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Bob,
The big test for those players is the offseason.
Burfict had no off-the-field baggage, he was just damn near bi-polar on it and showed up to the combine fat.
Not one team drafted him, so it wasn’t just us.
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speaking of offseason – here are some interesting moderately priced free agents and draft picks
RT Khalif Barnes
OT Kyle Long, Oregon
OT Terron Armstead, Ark-Pine Bluff
OT/G Matt Summers-Gavin, Cal
Manase Foketi, W.Texas A&M
FA
Will Svitek, Falcons
LB Omar Gaither/Rolando McClain
LB Manti Te’o – although after that BCS title game, looking doubtful
FA
Alex Grant, Niners
Demorrio Williams, Chargers
Tim Dobbins, Texans
others
Nick Clancy, B.College
AJ Klein, Iowa ST
Michael Mauti , Penn St.
DE
Matt Shaughnessey
draft
Dion Jordan, DE Oregon
Demontre Moore, DE, T A&m
Corey Lemonier, Auburn
Sam Montgomery, LSU
Alex Okeafor, Texas
Ezekial Ansah, BYU
Quanterus Smith, W.Kentuccy
FA
Michaeal Johnson, Bengals 11.5 sacks in 2012 likely franchise-tagged
Richard Seymour/Tommy Kelly rumored to be released in 2013 due to salary
FA
Henry Melton, Bears
Pat Sims, Bengals
Vaughn Martin, Chargers
Draft
Jesse Williams, Bama
Star Louletelei, Utah
Cooper Carlisle
FA
Kasey Studdard – if healed, decent OL formerly with Texans
draft
Travis Fredeeick – would be a center and would allow Wiz 2.0 to take Brisel’s place which would have him battle Nix, Bergstrom or other G spot
Johnathan Hankins, Ohio St
CB Joselio Hanson/Shawntae Spencer
FA
Keenan Lewis, Steelers
EJ Biggers, Bucs
Sean Smith, Dolphins
Kyle Arrington, Pats
Derek Cox, Jags
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (has ability but attitude suspect)
draft
Dee Milliner, Bama
Logan Ryan,,Rutgers
Desmond Trufant, Wash
Leon McFadden, SDSU
Josh Johnson, Purdue
SS Mike Mitchell
FA
Yeremiah Bell, Jets
Corey Lynch, Chargers
James Sanders, Cardinals
draft
Robert Lester, Bama
Phillip Thomas, Fresno St.
Ray Ray Armstrong, Faulkner
Darrius Heyward-Bey (rumor is he wiil be released, maybe will resign ffr less)
FA
Greg Jennings – yeah, probably not – rejoins Phiibin in Miami
Derek Hagan – may as well just sign him back
Brian Hartline
draft
Da’Rick Rogers, Tenn Tech
Ryan Swope, Tex A&M
Matt Leinart
FA
Chase Daniel, Saints
Stephen McGee, Cowboys
draft
Tyler Bray, Tenn
Aaron Murray (maybe comes out for ‘13 draft?), Georgia
Tyler Wilson, Ark
Mike Glennon, NC St
Mike Goodson (likely re-signs)
FA
Justin Forsett, Texans
Chris Ivory, Saints (via trade)
Kevin Smith, Lions
Ryan Torain, Giants – keep an eye on this one, power runner
January 12th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Dennis Allen alluded to the fact that eventually the players run the team and we are not there yet.
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When you have weak coaching and lack of direction from the admin side, of course they do. We are/were a model of dysfunction, but not so sure the Reg/DA combo is the right meal ticket to better days.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:44 am
O
I know we have had this debate in the past and you are fond of the Giant/Steeler argument.
Those teams have faded a bit because of poor line play.
Depth on the lines is important and those team suffered some injuries on the lines and their lack of depth showed thsi year.
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Those teams have faded after winning 4 SBs. It’s hard to ignore this fact.
You need a good QB, Good DL & Defense, and good coaching to win SBs. Look at Denver this year.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:49 am
This whole city is Orange and it hurts my eyes.
Debating whether to go watch the game in a bar with my Tim Brown jersey or stay at home.
Living here when the donkeys are this good really sucks…..
January 12th, 2013 at 9:53 am
I don’t see the value in drafting OL when we lack impact players. We need pass rushers, LBs that make plays, and ballhawks in the secondary.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Look how Denver was built PRIOR TO PEYTON’S arrival.
Guys like Von Miller and Clady are huge.
Why do you think Peyton chose Denver?
They have a good D and a solid running game to complement the pass.
Of course you need a good QB. If that QB is looking out of his earhole all the time he becomes very average.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
ProRaider Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Here are the possible variations of a search for a OC are playing out:
1. Reggie and DA are clueless and the lack of trust between the two complicates matters. They have no understanding of the protocol.
2. Reggie is waiting to see if DA embarrasses himself at the senior bowl before he decides weather to retain him or not.
3. Reggie already has Gruden on board and is just waiting for the senior bowl game to be over and then fires Allen.
4. Reggie has secretly packed his bags and has moved on.
5. The calm before the storm. Something is festering big time. Again, no news is not good news.
6. The frustration of the season is still weighing heavy on Reggie and he can’t get past it. Not sure if finding a OC is a priority right now.
7. Reggie is banking on the entire Packer staff coming to Oakland (absurd, but so was the hiring of DA and the approval of knapp).
8. There is a power struggle going on. Think about it. Why no word on possible coaches to replace the ones that were fired. And, did DA have Reggie’s blessing to fire knapp, or was DA goin HueJax on the Raiders?
9. Maybe their taking the ‘better keep silent and appear dumb than to speak and remove all doubt’ approach.
Just some food for thought gents.
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As one Outcome agent said to another in the Bourne Legacy:
“Seriously dude you think too much”
January 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Great QB-Elite WR’s-Bad azz D-line/passrushers-authoratitve HC
That is the model of success right now, for the Steelers, Giants, Bronco’s, Pats (substitue WR’s for TE’s), Falcons, Packers, Saints and the Colts during the Manning years.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Look at Reid and the Eagles. He loves drafting Linemen. How many SBs does he have? they are 4-12 just like the Raiders.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Peyton chose the Bronco’s because of Ryan Clady?
LOL
I think it had more to do with the fact they paid him more money than anyone else would and set him up with 20 Papa John’s to own.
January 12th, 2013 at 9:59 am
O
The ND/Alabama game is a good example of how a guy like TeO literally disappears when his Dline gets blasted.
TeO is a good football player. Perhaps not great but good.
Your LB’s and DB’s become very average when the Oline get to the second level or allow a qb 4 seconds to throw.
You might find a Gene Upshaw or Ngata or in round five.
The odds are higher you find them in rounds one and two.
We can not afford any misses for the next two drafts if we have any hope of challenging for a playoff spot in 2014.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Great QB-Elite WR’s-Bad azz D-line/passrushers-authoratitve HC
That is the model of success right now, for the Steelers, Giants, Bronco’s, Pats (substitue WR’s for TE’s), Falcons, Packers, Saints and the Colts during the Manning years.
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Steelers – beaten by Tebow
Giants – luck and fast finish knack ended
Pats – upset by above , bounced before by Ravens
Falcons – chokers
Pack – knocked out by Giants, wouldnt surprise me if he is punked by Niners – Seahawks made Rodgers look very ordinary.
model for success is WINNING , going out on the road and getting hot at the right time. Authorative head coach is only as good as his QB, to be honest.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Just Fire
Yeah. Peyton needs the money.
Get real.
He wants to win.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Peyton chose the Bronco’s because of Ryan Clady?
LOL
I think it had more to do with the fact they paid him more money than anyone else would and set him up with 20 Papa John’s to own.
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Agree. Ryan Clady was garbage a year before – amazing what a lighting fast release and a smart mind can do for you.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Great QB-Elite WR’s-Bad azz D-line/passrushers-authoratitve HC
That is the model of success right now, for the Steelers, Giants, Bronco’s, Pats (substitue WR’s for TE’s), Falcons, Packers, Saints and the Colts during the Manning years.
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I agree with most of what you posted except the Elite WRs part. You can do it with an Elite RB and good WRs like the Ravens.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:59 am
O
The ND/Alabama game is a good example of how a guy like TeO literally disappears when his Dline gets blasted.
TeO is a good football player. Perhaps not great but good.
Your LB’s and DB’s become very average when the Oline get to the second level or allow a qb 4 seconds to throw.
You might find a Gene Upshaw or Ngata or in round five.
The odds are higher you find them in rounds one and two.
We can not afford any misses for the next two drafts if we have any hope of challenging for a playoff spot in 2014.
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ND had a very good DL, but the problem was the level of talent and coaching. I also think ND got lucky last year, and they overacheived. They ere overrated imo.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Raider O
Reid is a bad example my friend.
He may not have a ring but he he is the franchise leader in wins (140) and winning percentage (.578) and led the Eagles to six division titles and five NFC Championship Games.
I will take that over our last decade.
Marley fell for the standard Andy Reid “media coach speak” where he (as always) accepts responsibility for everything that goes wrong with the Eagles including a drop in concession sales. I live in the Philly area and I have seen it for 14 years.
Here is what really happened.
AUTOPSY OF A COACHING SCAPEGOAT:
On January 11, 2010, General Manager Tom Heckert was hired by the Cleveland Browns in the same role. He was replaced by Howie Roseman, who was promoted from Vice President of Player Personnel.
2010 Win 10 Lose 6
2011 Win 8 Lose 8
2012 Win 4 Lose 12
Philadelphia has signed a number of high-profile free agents over the past week (August 2011), including cornerbacks Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Nnamdi Asomugha, defensive linemen Jason Babin and Cullen Jenkins, quarterback Vince Young, offensive lineman Evan Mathis and running back Ronnie Brown. Reid attributed that to a plan executed by team president Joe Banner and general manager Howie Roseman.
“Andy didn’t share himself with the press because he wanted to protect his players and the way he coaches,” Lurie said. “Having worked with him 14 years, he’s a gem of a person. This man was amazing to work with, smart and dedicated himself.”
Reid met with his players afterward and was sent off with a standing ovation.
“It’s unfortunate. I feel we personally let him down,” wide receiver Jeremy Maclin said. “It’s a sad day.”
Added rookie quarterback Nick Foles, “It is up to the players to make plays”.
“The only thing that’s changed since then is that Reid, who also was fired on Monday, talked to the Chiefs for 9 hours on Wednesday and then began negotiating the terms of his hiring.It sure appears as Pioli read the tea leaves that this was going to be Reid’s show and decided it was best to move on. Now Reid can hire a de facto general manager – one former yes man, Tom Heckert, just got fired as GM in Cleveland – and go about his business the way he did for the most of his time with the Eagles.”
Bottom line is “Howie” was put in as GM in 2010 and butted heads with Reid. “Howie’ tried the glitz and glam approach with HIS dream team concept and the rest is history. The organization has been in steady decline since and Reid had enough. Reid did not suddenly get stupid! Neither
January 12th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Steelers – beaten by Tebow
Giants – luck and fast finish knack ended
Pats – upset by above , bounced before by Ravens
Falcons – chokers
Pack – knocked out by Giants, wouldnt surprise me if he is punked by Niners – Seahawks made Rodgers look very ordinary.
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Steelers-Won O-line with horrendous O-line (watch the America’s Game on that Super Bowl team that beat the Cardinals. Whole theme is how awful the O-line was all year).
Giants- Won last years Super Bowl with QB-WR-Dline-HC combo I referenced
Pats- Are in it ever year, and change parts of their O-line every year
FAlcons- #1 seed
Pack-Won Super Bowl with horrendous O-line, and may have the worst O-line in football this season as well
January 12th, 2013 at 10:07 am
151.Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Look how Denver was built PRIOR TO PEYTON’S arrival.
Guys like Von Miller and Clady are huge.
Why do you think Peyton chose Denver?
They have a good D and a solid running game to complement the pass.
Of course you need a good QB. If that QB is looking out of his earhole all the time he becomes very average.
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Me and you are on the same page Charlie when it comes to this topic, it is beyond me the so called “Football Fans” dont understand that even if you have a steller Qb,Wr,Rb, they wont be able to function at their highest capacity without a good to great oline. If a QB is always wary of the rush(CP3) and on his back how can he get the ball to that great wideout(Dwayne Bowe is a good example). It also affects the defense, if your Oline is bad than your entire offense is likely to be bad which leads to many three and outs which means your defense will be on the field for the majority of the game(Raiders fans should know this)and know matter how good that D might be they will eventually get tired and give up points(see the 9ers D before Harbaugh) So you see the oline has an affect on the entire team. BTW look at Bama’s oline I know its college but thats what a dominant oline will do for a team Nick Saban knows this and will always recruit the best olinemen which is why I say draft Warmack(trade down) and Barret Jones(with the 2nd we aquire)that would help out this offense greatly which would in turn help out the D.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Sam
Clady was garbage the year before?????
Any facts to support your conjecture???
January 12th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Yeah. Peyton needs the money.
Get real.
He wants to win.
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Peyton is long documented wanting to be top-paid player at his position.
He got $20 million UP FRONT for signing with the Bronco’s. Could have quit in preseason and made 20 smackers.
It had A LOT to do with it.
More so than Ryan Clady.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Charlie,
Why do you keep talking about the DL. We agree on that part of the debate, but we disagree on investing high picks in our OL especially when we lack impact players. I want us to draft a DE, DT, or LB in the 1st pick. I just don’t think we should draft an OL with our top 3 pick when we lack impact players. OL are not impact players IMO.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Sam
Clady was garbage the year before?????
Any facts to support your conjecture???
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I wouldn’t say Garbage, but he didn’t play well last year.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Thank you East Oak for some sanity.
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
See my post on 162.
Andy Reid was unemployed for about 72 hours.
It is a proven formula and it is what we USED TO DO.
We will be returning to it as we turn this mess around.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Clady had a horrible 2011.
Every year SI’s preseason NFL edition lists every offensive linemans penalties and sacks allowed.
Clady was at the top of each list.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am
If the Raiders had decent playmakers and a solid defensive side of the ball, I think Carson would have helped the Silver and Black post a “return to glory” type of year. As it was – injuries, hamstrung by lack of draft picks, overinflated salaries and divas who just couldn’t (or wouldn’t perform), we got what we probably should’ve gotten – pretty crappy results. So if we invest a few quality pieces in this offseason, undo some of the things that the old man did in his dying last couple of years with the team, bring in some decent coaches, then I think we can stage a turnaround similar to what Indy did this past year. It doesn’t take long – it just takes the right formula of talent, structure, and focus. I believe …
January 12th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Green Bay’s oline was not bad the year they won the SB and neither was the Giants when thet won their SB, both teams have invested in their olines over the years. The Packs oline this year has be desimated by injuries this season as well but as you have seen as of late they have been playing much better as they have gotten healthier. We wuill see how good or bad the do against the 9er front.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
January 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am
O
You and I could be impact players behind the right Oline.
The Raiders were defined by perhaps the greatest OlINE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.
It was the hallmark of Raider football.
That is why we had success with the so called recalmation projects like Plunkett and Christenson.
The Oline is the heart of your team.
Move the chains and score points are the way to beat Peyton and other good QB’s. You must keep them off the field.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Found it,
Clady LED THE NFL in holding penalties with 8, 5 false starts, 6.5 sacks allowed.
All higher than Veldheer, even though he was in the Tebow offense.
As an example that is more holding penalties than Jake Long, Duane Brown, Anthony DAvis and Joe Thomas COMBINED.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Look at the Eagles and Browns. How many high picks did they invest in their OLs, and what are the results? You need impact players and good coaches to win.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:17 am
you guys talk about impact players on O, when we were good in the early 2000’s we had and old Tbrown and Jrice they scared nobody, but because are line was so good and Gannon had so much time they would eventually get open.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
4 got four games, of ZBS teams (Bal-Hou-GB-Sea) going up against 4 more power oriented teams (Den-NE-SF-Atl).
Should make for good debate in here afterwards.
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The reality is all 8 of these teams made it to the divisional round with zbs or pbs. TNo system is inhereently superior. Then there is the passing style differences among the teams with some West Coast and others more like Air Correal etc…
I think the key is to match your system to your talent and build a system around your talent. I know ths sounds too obvious. What shocked me and I really did not expect this is how Knapp seemed to force feed his grid over the talent instead of adapting it to the talent he had. You would think an OC with that kind of experience could fit in a pbs or zbs or a mixture as the situation warrented. For the life of me even if he wanted to go zbs eventually is why did he not just graudually mix in some zbs and keep what was working.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:18 am
We wuill see how good or bad the do against the 9er front.
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They will be miserable, Rodgers will be running for his life all game, and get tagged a ton more than Kapy will.
And they will still win.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:18 am
I was a proponent of bringing in Star with the #3 pick. Now, I’ve changed my mind.
If I were the GM, I would focus all my attention on signing Chicago’s Henry Melton, then invest in Werner with the #3 pick. That would give us: Melton, Werner, Houston, Shaugnessy and Bryant across the front (not bad, in my opinion). We can work on bringing in linebackers, but if we retain Burris and Wheeler both, I think we’ll be okay. If we can trade DMac for a second rounder, go for the highest rated defensive back on the board. Third Round – highest rated player among either offensive linemen, linebackers or defensive backs. That’s just the first step(s) …
January 12th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Marley/O
There are always exceptions to every “rule”.
I have simply pointed out that given the conditions of the Raider lines today we can ill afford a lower percenatge play hoping to find a Russell Okung in the fifth round.
As I said you might find a Gene Upsshaw in round five but the odds are better in round one.
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Rules have changed since the Gannon lead teams, and it is completely different from the 70’s Raiders games.
The best athletes in the NFL are these edge rushers like Matthews, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith etc.
Can’t block those guys with Anthony Munoz and Art Shell at tackle. You just need to throw it before they hit your QB, and hope your elite WR breaks a tackle in the secondary.
NOBODY IS WINNING SUPER BOWLS RUNNING MORE THEN THEY THROW, anymore.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:22 am
303Raider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:49 am
This whole city is Orange and it hurts my eyes.
Debating whether to go watch the game in a bar with my Tim Brown jersey or stay at home.
Living here when the donkeys are this good really sucks…..
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Feel your PAIN bro. Live in Southern Utah and it is Dungver territory here as well. Make me wanna puke (but I won’t puke on my RAIDER gear I’m sportin. FVCK DUNGVER!!!)
January 12th, 2013 at 10:23 am
173.Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
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This post by Bob(imo on of the top posters)ends the debate.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Lamarr Houston can be our Henry Melton-Geno Atkins type of player, if we let him become a DT.
Shaughnessy would be an above average LDE.
We’ve been playing them out of position, now that Seymour is gone and maybe TK, we should get play guys where they belong.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
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Bob,
GB drafted OT Bryan Bulaga in the 1st.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Browns have top picks all over their O-line, and their offense still stinks. They converted a league 2nd worst 31% of their 3rd and 1 runs. We converted 47% as an example to that.
How’s that #1 pick at LT helping the Jags offense? It was better before he got there. Jake Long in Miami?
A good LT doesn’t do squat for you if your QB stinks.
Meanwhile, as Aaron Rodgers proves every year, a great QB can mask so major stink on the O-line.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:28 am
O.
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Bob,
GB drafted OT Bryan Bulaga in the 1st.
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I noted it in post 173, not only Bulaga in 2010, but Derek Sherrod was also a 1st round pick in 2011, both are on IR.
It goes to show you that while GB has managed to remain a top team, they have been seeking to improve the OL by spending 2 First round picks on OT’s the last 3 years.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Rules have changed since the Gannon lead teams
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JFB, the rules havent changed all that much.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:29 am
None of those guys in Bob’s list have won a Super Bowl, and only one of them has even played in one.
Meanwhile, check the tackles and draft status of the Giants last year, and the Steelers-Packers the year before, and the Giants before that, or the Steelers-Cardinals game, or even better the Colts-Saints game, where the Colts went to the Super Bowl with a converted collegiate TE at tackle.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Rules have changed since the Gannon lead teams, and it is completely different from the 70’s Raiders games.
The best athletes in the NFL are these edge rushers like Matthews, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith etc.
Can’t block those guys with Anthony Munoz and Art Shell at tackle.
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The best OL in the league today need help against guys like Watt, Smith, and Chico’s favorite Mr. Von Miller.
We have a QB, an Elite RB in the right scheme and healthy, so we need to focus on our DL & LBs. Our OL played well in 2011 under the right scheme.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:31 am
It goes to show you that while GB has managed to remain a top team, they have been seeking to improve the OL by spending 2 First round picks on OT’s the last 3 years.
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Just think how great they would be if they actually got SOME PRODUCTION from those draft picks.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:33 am
JFB.
Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger are the best QB’s in the League when it comes to moving around in the pocket and buying themselves time.
How do you think statue type guys like Brady and Manning would do behind the leaky GB and Pitt OL’s?.
They’d still be good, but not nearly as good as they have been.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:33 am
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
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Its over JFB,O good debate though, BTW no plan is fool proof and at the end of the day a top fligt QB is hard to find as I’ve stated many time before.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:33 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
4 got four games, of ZBS teams (Bal-Hou-GB-Sea) going up against 4 more power oriented teams (Den-NE-SF-Atl).
Should make for good debate in here afterwards.
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The reality is all 8 of these teams made it to the divisional round with zbs or pbs. TNo system is inhereently superior. Then there is the passing style differences among the teams with some West Coast and others more like Air Correal etc…
I think the key is to match your system to your talent and build a system around your talent. I know ths sounds too obvious. What shocked me and I really did not expect this is how Knapp seemed to force feed his grid over the talent instead of adapting it to the talent he had. You would think an OC with that kind of experience could fit in a pbs or zbs or a mixture as the situation warrented. For the life of me even if he wanted to go zbs eventually is why did he not just graudually mix in some zbs and keep what was working.
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because Reggie,DA, and Knapp had a plan. They didn’t care how much they lost the 1st few years, they just assumed it would eventually start working.
However, Mark and the fans lost their patience and pushed for something to be done.
I’m glad they did because you know what they say about “assuming”. To assume makes an azz out of u & me. There was no guarantee it would ever get better and McFadden was being wasted.
Now, Reggie and DA must understand that they can’t throw the baby out with the bath water. They have to use what they have now while implementing for the future.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:34 am
JRJ:
Wear your gear – be proud; stay strong. All the orange-clad, fair-weather donkeys are out in full force right now. Let them have their moment, ’cause they’re going down, very soon! Raider Nation is being planted in the ground, i am hoping the seeds grow a nice, solid tree for the next decade!
January 12th, 2013 at 10:34 am
The Raiders 2012 offensive line was 5th in sacks allowed, 3rd in sacks allowed per dropback, 4th in QB hits, and 2nd in QB hits allowed per dropback.
We had similar numbers in 2010 as well.
We already have one of the best pass-blocking lines in football, there is no debate.
Run-blocking is what needs improvement, and that is on our guards.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Aldon Smith was shut out badly vs Russel Okung the last time they played.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:35 am
I don’t remember the Colts drafting OL with their 1st round picks when P Manning was there. I remember RBs, WRs, and DE.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:36 am
Sport it everyday BRO everyday!!
January 12th, 2013 at 10:36 am
PFF gives great grades to Wiz and Veldheer, at the top of their positions in pass-blocking.
Barnes grades out OK, about average.
Our two guards don’t.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:37 am
O.
Of the top of my head, Left Tackle Tarik Glenn was a 1st…or maybe a 2nd?.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Look back at SF and what they did in the first round of that draft: they went O-Line for two of the 20 picks. Right then and there I knew they would have something special going on. Harbaugh didn’t work the magic – he simply had a lot of good pieces to work with (with an average quarterback, at best). If we could follow that type of blueprint, only focus on the defense, i see us bouncing back strong by 2014!
January 12th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Colts won their Super Bowl with Charlie Johnson at LT.
A converted collegiate TE, and 6th round pick.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Bob,
He was drafted in 97. They drafted PM in 98.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:39 am
If Ford comes back healthy and we have him, an improved Streater and a healthy DMoore, that’s pretty good, right? I know we still need to add, but at least it’s a start. Maybe we could get Louis Murphy back too …
January 12th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Bob,
He was drafted in the 1st in 97.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:41 am
In the end there is no formula, if you get top-notch skill-position players, chances are you are not gona be able to draft-sign an elite OL, so you work around it. On the other hand, if you do get an elite OL, your skill-position players are gonna look much better, even if they are not the most talented.
Every situation is different.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:43 am
We have an elite pass blocking line, and our skill position players are still what they are.
Average at best.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:44 am
The whole team, right now, is average at best!
January 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
The Colts mainly spent their money in Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Edge as well as the pass-rushers Dungy needed for his cover 2, Freeney and Mathis.
But they had legendary OL coach Howard Mudd running an excellent unit.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
2010 and 2012, statistically we were a top 5 pass-blocking unit.
And that is with Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski, Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Terrell Pryor all geting snaps.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Just Fire
If you saw the Broncos game on 12/6/12
you would not say that we have an elite pass blocking line.
Barnes can not compete at the NFL level and he is 30.
Carlisle is 35.
Brisiel had an average year but hopefully can rebound.
Veldheer and Wiz are solid an developing.
Not exactly Shell, Upshaw, Otto, Marvin and Lawrence.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:48 am
JFB.
We have an elite pass blocking line, and our skill position players are still what they are.
Average at best.
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Not in 2010 and 2011 when we had a productive Offense, nobody stood out but collectively got the job done more often than not.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:48 am
I am curious if any of the 9 players that Reggie picked up in the past week will stick on the final 2013 roster.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:49 am
209.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:43 am
We have an elite pass blocking line, and our skill position players are still what they are.
Average at best.
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It is not elite stop focusing on stats and watch the game. How many times was CP3 hurried? how many times did he make a throw while getting hit? how many times did he have to throw off his back foot? The Oline functioned better last year because we had a good scheme which allowed us to have a good running attack which took some of the pressure off the linemen when they had to pass block.
January 12th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Thank you again East Oak.
Perhaps you and I are about the same age and remember what solid line play really looks like when we saw the Raiders of the 60’s 70’s and 80’s.
I am afraid too many younger fans are unaware of how the game is really won.
Yes, we used to have a big pass play to Wells or Casper or Freddie ON OCCASION.
Most of the heavy lifting was pounding the rock in the trenches and running out the clock or stuffing the run with a solid Dline and backers like the Stork and Millen and Conners.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How many times was CP3 hurried? how many times did he make a throw while getting hit?
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4th fewest times in the NFL, 2nd best in the world per pass attempt.
TRUTH
January 12th, 2013 at 11:00 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:49 am
209.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:43 am
We have an elite pass blocking line, and our skill position players are still what they are.
Average at best.
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It is not elite stop focusing on stats and watch the game. How many times was CP3 hurried? how many times did he make a throw while getting hit? how many times did he have to throw off his back foot? The Oline functioned better last year because we had a good scheme which allowed us to have a good running attack which took some of the pressure off the linemen when they had to pass block.
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This is a really important point. CP3 often would force balls and get them out of there to not take sacks. Some of his interceptions came on tips because lineman were getting too close too soon. In contrast Aaron Rogers if you watch him will scramble around and take a sack for a 3 yard loss rather than risk an interception.
Get out some tape and watch the 2002 Oakland Raiders, Gannon could eat a sandwhich back there most of the time and allow Rice, Brown or others get open while CP3 was running for his life.
Some of CP3’s passes were dropped even though thrown accurately by WRs because he had to throw too soon. Simple how many times you got sacked is a deceptive statistic!
January 12th, 2013 at 11:02 am
*to WRs* not *by Wrs*
January 12th, 2013 at 11:02 am
If you saw the Broncos game on 12/6/12
you would not say that we have an elite pass blocking line.
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Thanks for bringing that up (I was actually at the game).
Broncos’ were credited with 1 sack AND ZERO QB HITS. Basically Palmer was pressured once all game.
Raiders D had 3 sacks and 4 QB hits BTW.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:03 am
218.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How many times was CP3 hurried? how many times did he make a throw while getting hit?
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4th fewest times in the NFL, 2nd best in the world per pass attempt.
TRUTH
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you are just like Alex7 stats stats stats smh watch the game bro.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Something else the 2002 Raiders had was a really effective screen game espeically to Garner that forced DL to pause before rushing. Sacks allowed has got to be one of the worst indicators of OL play there is.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:05 am
CP3 often would force balls and get them out of there to not take sacks.
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That still counts as a QB hit if he is touched.
That stat is tracked.
4th fewest in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=1&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&tabSeq=2&season=2012&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=false
January 12th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:02 am
If you saw the Broncos game on 12/6/12
you would not say that we have an elite pass blocking line.
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Thanks for bringing that up (I was actually at the game).
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He was at the game but was too busy looking at all the stat lines on the score board. Von Miller was killing Barnes.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Maybe Reggie is struggling with Mark over how much $ they can offer these coaches. I’d imagine Mark’s pretty pissed that he wasted time and money on GKnapp and isn’t willing to commit as much this time around, in spite of market forces.
That could explain the lack of action on all fronts; no ST coach or LB coach replacements.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:09 am
you are just like Alex7 stats stats stats smh watch the game bro.
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I watch every game, every week, and tons of other games with the dual TV, Sunday Ticket man-cave.
QB’s get hit all the time, every game.
Palmer was hit A LOT LESS, in both the eye test and the statistical test.
I feel like you ONLY watch Raider games, and compare it to Raiders games of 1970.
It’s a different league now bro. Go watch the games today.
There will be all kinds of plays were offenses have 5 guys in to block, and the D will send 6 guys.
The great QB’s will make a quick line call, and get it out before the unblocked guy can even touch the QB.
The others will get creamed due to indecisions.
QB league.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Regarding line play stats vs. film:
I have to agree with East Oakland Raider here. Get NFL rewind and buy the extra coaches tape. You can see how bad pass protection effect CP3 with quicker thows and the ball getting there too soon. Scouts and coaches when they break down on film see this stuff. This is why Barnes and Carlise will likely not be coming back and we will try to address the OL in the offseason. By the way no team unless absolutly devasted by injuries will pick these 2 up.
Another guy that masks bad line play is PM. He just gets the ball away quickly and audibles out of threats.
In fact after I thought about this CP3 probablly just had his best year considering what he was working against with no real play action and the line situation along with WRs drops.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am
East Oak.
Agreed.
Barnes was a human traffic cone in the Denver game as well as others.
HE CAN NOT COMPETE AT THE NFL LEVEL.
We had to hold Myers in the whole game to try to help him.
The line determines how creative a coordinator can be.
The Raiders used to be the most feared and succesfull team in the NFL.
They did it by physically punishing other teams on the line of scrimmage. We employed physically gifted lineman and linebackers who were very ill tempered.
Alzado, Shell, Upshaw, Keating, Davidson and on and on controlled the game and we won. End of story.
Football is a vilolent game won in the trences.
Reggie is getting us back to basics.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am
You people like to ignore the stats when it doesn’t fit your argument, and you love them when they support it.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am
So QB sacks allowed, QB hits allowed and the PFF grading scale ALL HAVE IT WRONG……but you know-it-alls know better than all that right?
Okie-dokey
Look at the QB hits allowed stat. Bronco’s first. Right behind the Raiders are these great lines you keep telling me about, Vikings, Seahawks, Bengals, Patriots.
So the stats back up YOUR POINTS that those are great lines, but you choose to be selective in your opinion of a statistical measure as it pertains to the Raiders.
A-G-E-N-D-A
January 12th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:23 am
173.Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
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This post by Bob(imo on of the top posters)ends the debate.
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:03 am
218.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How many times was CP3 hurried? how many times did he make a throw while getting hit?
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4th fewest times in the NFL, 2nd best in the world per pass attempt.
TRUTH
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you are just like Alex7 stats stats stats smh watch the game bro.
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You people like to ignore the stats when it doesn’t fit your argument, and you love them when they support it.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Thank you Autumn Wind and welcome.
CP3 was phenominal this year given what he had to work with.
Pretty one dimensional offense with a weak oline and playing a lot of catch up.
I wish we could use our top pick on the oline but our dline is pathetic.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:15 am
227.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:09 am
you are just like Alex7 stats stats stats smh watch the game bro.
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I watch every game, every week, and tons of other games with the dual TV, Sunday Ticket man-cave.
QB’s get hit all the time, every game.
Palmer was hit A LOT LESS, in both the eye test and the statistical test.
I feel like you ONLY watch Raider games, and compare it to Raiders games of 1970.
It’s a different league now bro. Go watch the games today.
There will be all kinds of plays were offenses have 5 guys in to block, and the D will send 6 guys.
The great QB’s will make a quick line call, and get it out before the unblocked guy can even touch the QB.
The others will get creamed due to indecisions.
QB league.
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I watch a lot of games too bro I am a sports fanatic, and I’m only 30 so I dont remeber 70’s ball seen a few highlight though and if this oline passes you eyeball test then I dont know what the hell YOU are wtching maybe you get too toasted or something but our oline hasnt been elite since the Gannon years.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:17 am
RaidO, when talking about the oline its hard to use stats in your argument and stats can be misleading at times.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:20 am
And as far as Carson Palmer being the reason we didn’t give up as many sacks and QB hits, in 2010 we were top 5 AS WELL in those two categories.
With Jason Campbell and Bruce Gradkowski taking snaps, not exactly two guys known for their high football IQ and quick release. They are not even NFL starters.
Veldheer is probably the best non Pro Bowl LT in football. Certainly one of the few. Same with Barnes and Wiz.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:22 am
There were at least 2 dozen times last year that Palmer would run that play-action boot, have nobody within 3 yards of him, and still we couldn’t complete a pass.
Due to our WR’s not getting open and/or dropping the ball once they were open.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:17 am
RaidO, when talking about the oline its hard to use stats in your argument and stats can be misleading at times.
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It’s not hard to use stats, if you know how/ what to use/ look for . Sacks allowed, hits, hurries, etc … Can tell you the entire story.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Veldheer is probably the best non Pro Bowl LT in football. Certainly one of the few. Same with Barnes and Wiz.
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You have got to be kidding me about Barnes. SMH.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Carson Palmer was hit, FACT, the 4th fewest times in the NFL last year, and he has cement for feet.
If we had a QB of even just Aaron Rodgers mobility, or Brady like quick release, we might have set an NFL record for fewest QB hits allowed in a season.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:13 am
So QB sacks allowed, QB hits allowed and the PFF grading scale ALL HAVE IT WRONG……but you know-it-alls know better than all that right?
Okie-dokey
Look at the QB hits allowed stat. Bronco’s first. Right behind the Raiders are these great lines you keep telling me about, Vikings, Seahawks, Bengals, Patriots.
So the stats back up YOUR POINTS that those are great lines, but you choose to be selective in your opinion of a statistical measure as it pertains to the Raiders.
A-G-E-N-D-A
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While I am taking a chance here (without looking it up) my guess is the PFF scale is not too kind to the right side of our line but very kind to the left side of the line. I think Vedeer and Wiz were great over there last year and we had a drop off with Wiz moving to center but was good for protection most of the time. It is the right side of the line that is a problem.
If I have an agenda I would like us to draft/sign a Center get Wiz back at Guard and be emergency BU center and then hope that Bergstrum works at RG and also get someone that can play RT. If we did that we would be better.
I mean do you seriously think Barnes and Briesell played well this year???
January 12th, 2013 at 11:26 am
RaiderO
We respect stats but they can be misleading.
How much comes in garbage time?
How are the stats impacted by game score, competition strategy, circumstances such as weather and INJURIES TO PLAYERS!!!!!!!!
I HAVE SAID IT AND WILL CONTINUE TO SAY IT.
Our record over the last ten years with SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS DOES NOT LIE.
We have very poor talent and have been in that position for a decade.
If you do not believe me, perhaps you will believe Madden:
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
January 12th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Hue Jackson loved Khalif Barnes, started him every game and ran more running plays to the right than left.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:27 am
238.Raider O Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:17 am
RaidO, when talking about the oline its hard to use stats in your argument and stats can be misleading at times.
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It’s not hard to use stats, if you know how/ what to use/ look for . Sacks allowed, hits, hurries, etc … Can tell you the entire story.
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No, it doesnt and if you think this is an elite pass blocking line than the stats are misleading you.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Carson Palmer was hit, FACT, the 4th fewest times in the NFL last year, and he has cement for feet.
If we had a QB of even just Aaron Rodgers mobility, or Brady like quick release, we might have set an NFL record for fewest QB hits allowed in a season.
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Do you even watch GB games. AR when there is good coverage will hold on to the ball migrate to the LOS and take sacks rather than risk interceptions. That is his style. Because of that he takes a lot of hits. He is an awesome QB but he would have been killed with our WRs and the right side of our line.
AR has great WRs that typically get open and he is good at finding the open reciever but he would have defintely got hit more here.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:30 am
I mean do you seriously think Barnes and Briesell played well this year???
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Briesel absolutely not and why I have been advocating drafting Warmack. Gives us the best instant upgrade probably on our whole roster.
Barnes played 9 games, and our offense seemed better than 9 games he played than the 7 games he didn’t. People always bring up his penalties, but it just shows a bias as he has NEVER been the most penalized O-lineman on our team in a season.
PFF graded Veldheer and Wiz almost elite, Barnes slightly above average.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:30 am
How has keeping plays alive been working for Ben the last couple of years?
They failed to make the playoffs because their line play is falling off. Another year like the last couple and Ben will be out of league in a nursing home.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Look at the QB hits allowed stat. Bronco’s first. Right behind the Raiders are these great lines you keep telling me about, Vikings, Seahawks, Bengals, Patriots.
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Its simple JFB look at those teams records and look at ours.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:33 am
I would bet that of Barnes, Wiz and Veldheer, at least 2 of the 3, if not all 3, would start for Green Bay tonight.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:33 am
“Hue Jackson loved Khalif Barnes, started him every game and ran more running plays to the right than left.”
Hue Jackson thought CP3 was such an awesome QB he gave up a first and a second and saddled us with a terrible Cap hit. Does that mean CP3 is awesome then?
January 12th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Ben is about to be 31 with two Super Bowl rings.
I’ll take that and an extra 3 years shaved off his career, than stumbling around with a 33 year old “HEALTHY” Carson Palmer.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:35 am
gotta run guys ill be back in a few hrs.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Thx for the good debate. Later Gents.
Chico, keep up the good fight bro.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:33 am
I would bet that of Barnes, Wiz and Veldheer, at least 2 of the 3, if not all 3, would start for Green Bay tonight.
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I agree with you on Wiz and Veldeer not on Barnes. I do agree that at times last year Barnes was a good run blocker but was inconsistent and not a good pass blocker. Briesel was also garbage this year and that is a wiff on RM’s part and Carlise has simply lost a step. The fact that you do not mention them I think shows even you know there is some weakness there.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:36 am
One of the most misleading stats of all time was our 2006 Raider defense.
Our O and Oline that year was so bad that opposing teams literally shut it down on offense in the second half if they had so much as a 7 point lead knowing we could not scoreon offense.
YOU NEED TO KNOW FOOTBALL AND WATCH THE GAMES.
WE CAN NOT COMPETE WITH PLAYOFF TEAMS IN THE NFL.
It starts with getting some good players especially on the line of scrimmage.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Do you even watch GB games.
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He doesn’t force balls, but that pocket is collapsing, all the time.
Tonight he will be running around all game, and still be elite.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:41 am
The fact that you do not mention them I think shows even you know there is some weakness there.
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Man Briesel sucks, I have been on that soapbox since the AZ preseason game. I was one of the first to start ragging on him in here.
Why, while I put up the fight on the O-line thing, I still cede that drafting Warmack would be huge as it represents an instant massive upgrade.
Carlisle is on his last legs, but he is never penalized and really, really good at the 2nd level and in the screen game.
Barnes has started 87 games, for multiple organizations, HC’s and OC’s. He will be a starter somewhere next year, probably here.
I don’t think he is anywhere near as bad as people want to make him out to be.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:43 am
And I got to go, but can we PLEASE stop the “do you watch the games….you need to watch the games” saying?
I am sure every single one of us watch damn near every snap of every Raider game.
What we may see, as non-professional message board dweebs, is going to vary from person to person.
And that’s what makes the debate fun.
Raider On
January 12th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Ok people, nice football debate today…no nonesense, refreshing.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:50 am
JFB
Sorry with the “do you watch the games thing” I think it is a knee jerk reaction to “Why do you ignore the Stats line” LOL. Do respect your opinion but have some disagreement on Barnes.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
When it comes to the silence and the OC search Reggie and DA are just idiots.
Not one damn interview.
January 12th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Even Al would of had someone in for a interview by now and he used to take his time. LOL
January 12th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
RaidO Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:58 am
When it comes to the silence and the OC search Reggie and DA are just idiots.
Not one damn interview.
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When it comes to Coordinators why leak and let people know especially if College Coordinators are involved. Since Tarver worked out maybe they are asking College Coordinators who usually do not like it leaked that they are interviewing because it will affect recruiting if they end up not being hired.
Easier just to keep a tight lip on this, although it would be interesting to know what is going on.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
If Knapp was the 5th choice at OC I still question DA for having him that high on the list.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
We could very well wind up with a collge guy as an OC.
I have said many times, the only person that will take this job is if it represents a significant promotion.
No former NFL OC is going to relocate to Oakland given our current status and after seeing what happened with Knapp.
The problem with a college guy is needing to command quick respect form a vet like Palmer. Palmer has forgotten more than what many know about the NFL game and what can really work at this level.
I still think Saunders may be the guy when all is said and done.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Time for some good football.
Rooting for the donks and niners to lose.
It is a passing league and you need an elite QB
That’s why I would build the lines, the defense and install a punishing running game. Stop the run, control the clock. Wear that defense down while ours stays fresh
and then look for a elite QB
I hate Sapp
January 12th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Sapp was one of the major malignancies on this team and was a non contributor on the field.
Agreed.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Yes Charlie the fool stole Al’s money but I hate him because he makes nfl tv unwatchable
January 12th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:50 am
JFB
Sorry with the “do you watch the games thing” I think it is a knee jerk reaction to “Why do you ignore the Stats line” LOL. Do respect your opinion but have some disagreement on Barnes.
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Why the hell are you apologizing?? JFB has EARNED that response!
January 12th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Lets face it , when you’re looking for coach around jan 30th, there aren’t many good guys available , so give DA a break, i expect us to hire a guy before the 20th, n it will be a good one
January 12th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Morilla Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Wow, catching up. When did it turn into an episode of the Xfiles? Where is Mulder and Scully? I’ll be right back, heading to the store because I think you guys might be out of tinfoil.
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Hehehe.
Mark’s just waiting to announce that John Madden will be replacing RM/DA.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
John Madden endorsed Reggie.
He was in the interview with Mark.Five to six hours as I recall.
Here is a peak under the tent at Reggie’s focus:
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
Reggie:
“I want to win up front, and that’s on both sides of the ball, with the big boys. Or with somebody hitting them upside the head. Pass rush. A good push up the middle and somebody he’s going to be scared of. We’re going try and get, guys, we’re going to try and upgrade at a lot of positions, depth-wise, and get some impact players. That’s going to be on me.”
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Brahs, last night had plenty of awesome and not so awesome Beeech Style moments
AWESOME – My Reggae Party Boat went HELLA OFF and there were tons of stoned hippy babes getting high on the chronic and licking tons of nads
NOT SO AWESOME – Me and my girlfriend Cinnamon broke up before we got to Newport Beach and I was forced to 69 with one of her friends
Thankfully the Simply Red cover band kept the night groovy and Cinnamon and I ended up making up – and making out – on the dance floor
But she wanted to snuggle all night instead of bone down, so it was a total waste of the 5 Magnums I bought before we left dock
HOLLA BACK TO THE CALL OF THE UNIVERSE
January 12th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Whaddup, Beeech?
January 12th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Still no Cliff Branch huh? I guess 3 superbowl rings don’t mean what they used to.
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No. It still means the same as it ever did. A superbowl is a TEAM accomplshment. Not an individual one.
Only a fool gives one player credit for being on a superbowl team.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Why the he!! is Gruden trolling for Sapp in the HOF?
“If Warren Sapp doesn’t go into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot, you’d better check the IQ of the voters,’’ former Bucs coach Jon Gruden said. “No disrepect to anyone, but he’s the favorite guy I’ve ever coached.”
It sickens me.
January 12th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
If you could jump in a time machine and change one Raiders’ draft since 1990, leaving the picks where they were, and only picking guys that were on the board when we selected, which draft would you change (my pick is 2003, it had everything….the 1996 draft would have been awesome with Lewis and Dawkins and a good kicker…but 2003 is my choice):
1990:
1. Emitt Smith RB (Anthony Smith DE)
2. Keith Sims G (Aaron Wallace DE)
4. Jackie Harris TE (Torin Dorn CB)
5. Brian Mitchell RB (Stan Smalaga RB)
6. Byrce Paup LB (Marcus Wilson RB)
7. Shannon Sharpe TE (Gary Lewis CB)
1991:
1.Favre QB (Todd Marinovich QB)
2. Erik Williams T or Ricky Watters RB (Nick Bell RB)
4. Bryan Cox LB (Rocket Ismail WR)
6. Leon Lett DT (Nolan Harrison LB)
1992:
1. McGlokton keep or Dale Carter CB
2. Darren Woodson CB (Skrepenak T)
5. Michael Bates WR (Derrick Hoskins DB)
6. Mark Chmura TE (Tony Rowell C)
1993:
1. Michael Strahan DE (Patrick Bates S)
3. Ray Buchanan CB (BJ Hobert QB)
3. Will Shields G (James Trapp DB)
5. Frank Wycheck TE (Truitt WR)
7. Beikert-keep
1994:
1. Larry Allen G (Fredrickson LB)
2. Tim Ruddy G (Folston LB)
3. Jason Gilden LB (Calvin Jones RB)
4. Rodney Harrison S (Austin Robbins DE)
5. Jamal Anderson RB (R. Patterson G)
7. Tom Nalen C (Holmberg LB)
1995:
1. Ty Law CB or Derrick Brooks LB (Nap Kaufman)
2. B. Robbins + a psychiatrist or Curtis Martin RB
3. Antonio Freeman WR (Aska RB)
4. Gary Walker DE (Morton LB)
6. Terrell Davis RB (Eli Herring T)
1996:
1. Ray Lewis LB (Ricky Dudley TE)
(Other options: Marvin Harrison, Willie Anderson, Eddie George)
2. Brian Dawkins S. or T.O. (L. Johnstone DE)
5. LaRoi Glover –Keep him this time
6. Marco Rivera G (Tim Hall RB)
7. Casey Wiegmann C (Sedrick Clark DE)
7. Larry Izzo LB (Darius Smith C)
7. Adam Vinaitieri K (Joey Wylie (G)
1997:
1. T. Gonzales TE (D. Russell)
3. Jayson Taylor DE (Adam Treu G)
3. Derrick Mason WR (Tim Kohn G)
4. Priest Holmes RB (Chad Levitt RB)
6. Pat Williams DT (Calvin Branch RB)
6. Grady Jackson-Keep
1998:
1. C. Woodson-Keep
1. Alan Faneca G (Mo Collins G)
2. Samari Rolle CB (Leon Bender dead DT)
3. H Ward WR (Jon Richie FB)
4. Matt Birk C (DiNapoli G)
5. Jeff Saturday C (Bringham TE)
5. London Fletcher LB (Travian Smith LB)
1999: not worth reviewing
2000:
1. Shaun Alexander RB (Jano k)
2. Porter WR keep
4. Tom Brady QB (J. Ioane DE)
7. Brian Waters G (Fulcher TE)
2001:
1. Drew Brees QB (Gibson S)
2. Steve Smith WR (Tui QB)
3. Rudi Johnson RB (Grant lb)
5. TJ Housmydaddy WR (Perryman SS)
6. Antonio Pierce LB (Cooper DT)
2002:
1. Ed Reed S (Buchanon CB)
1. Lito Sheppard CB or Portis RB (Nap Harris LB)
2. Brian Westbrook RB (L. Walker T)
2. Chris Hope S (Jolley TE)
5. Aaron Kampman DE (Coleman DE)
6. Ryan Clark S. (Nash DB)
6. James Harrison LB (Bed RB)
2003:
1. Osi Umenyiora DE (Nnamdi)
1. Boldin WR (Brayton DE)
2. Lance Briggs LB (Teyo ohnson TE)
Or Jason Witten TE
3. Asante Samuel CB (Sam Williams
3. Brandon Lloyd WR (Fargas RB)
4. Robert Mathis DE (Pierson DE)
5. Tony Romo QB (Gabriel WR)
6. Antonio Gates (Rykert T)
2004:
1. Big Ben or Fitz (Gallery T)
2. N. Hardwick C (Grove C)
3. Schaub QB (Stu S.)
4. Jarred Allen DE (Francis WR)
5. Michael Turner RB (Morant WR)
6. Corey Williams DT (S. Johnson DE)
7. Jason Peters T (Courtney Anderson TE)
UFA Wes Welker
2005:
1. Aaron Rodgers QB (Fabian CB)
2. Vincent Jax WR or Frank Gore RB (Routt)
3. Justin Tuck DE (Walter QB)
3. Brandon Jacobs RB (Morrison LB)
6. Chris Harris S (Hawethorne DT)
6. Jay Ratliff DT (Riddle DE)
2006:
1. Ngata DT (Huff S.)
2. M. Jones-Drew RB (Howard LB)
3. Dummerville DE (McQuistan
4. Brandon Marshall WR (Bing S)
6. Antoine Bathea S (Booth)
7. C. Dinnegan CB (Morris C)
7. Miles Austin WR (McMahan WR)
2007:
1. A. Peterson RB (Russell QB)
2. Lamar Woodley LB (Miller TE)
3. Jacoby Jones WR (Moses DE)
3. Paul Soliai DT (Mario Henderson T)
5. Celek TE (J. Richardson DE)
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Basically what you have proven here is that if a GM is batschit crazy lucky and hits superbly on every pick, each and every draft has the ability to completely turn a franchise around in epic proportions.
Hands down its 2003 or 2004. Both of those years had we hit on all of them would have made us insanely good. Combined with the fact that we probably keep Woodson and Moss on the team and Sapp doesnt implode due to a winning atmosphere. We would have been stacked.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
You guys should go read some of the stories about the Cowboys these days and what writers are saying about Jerry Jones. It’s hilarious.
You could easily swap out the team and owner name for Raiders and Al and it would read the exact same.
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/8828247/dallas-cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-too-stubborn-consider-stepping-gm
Then go read the comments section. It reads just like this blog.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
It also shows haw badly our gm missed on picks year in and year out seeing that there is only a handful of picks that he got right in 18 drafts.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
That list makes me even more anxious to trade back. I know it’s a different scouting department and GM, but the draft is still a crapshoot. Better to cover our bases and do what we can to change the complexion of the roster (figuratively).
I’m not talking about knitting the quilt here; I’m saying that Reggie could be the Jason Campbell to Late-era Al Davis’ Jamarcus Russell. Stabilize the franchise, nothing flashy just consistent.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Also, Jerry Jones is definitely putting together Gruden’s coaching staff for him.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Riff
Bovine Droppings!
Branch had great individual stats as well.
But as with any theory or opinion, you have to back it up with evidence, and to do that I am going to compare Cliff Branch’s career with that of two receivers from the same era who are already in the hall of fame, Lynn Swann and Bob Hayes.
Bob Hayes years 11 receptions 371 Yards 7414 Avg 20.0 TD 68 Rings 2
Lynn Swann Years 9 receptions 336 Yards 5462 AVG 16.3 TD 51 Rings 4
Cliff Branch Years 13 Rec 501 Yards 8685 Avg 17.3 TD 67 Rings 3
Now any reasonably objective person looking at these statistics could only conclude that these three players are clearly in very much the same group, and if you had to pick one player to be excluded, it would be Hayes, not Branch. Cliff played longer, had considerably more receptions than either, more yards than either, better yards per reception than Swann, and had just one touchdown less than Hayes.
Just the facts man.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 11:43 am
And I got to go, but can we PLEASE stop the “do you watch the games….you need to watch the games” saying?
I am sure every single one of us watch damn near every snap of every Raider game.
What we may see, as non-professional message board dweebs, is going to vary from person to person.
And that’s what makes the debate fun.
Raider On
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Great Post JFB
January 12th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
I’d like both to lose, but like most, I’m picking Denver to win this game.
Sitting here, watching CBS, drinking a Sam Adams.
It’s a small world.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
I’m rooting for a broken collarbone for Manning; call me low, but it’s for the greater good.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
NNOOO!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Firebabys fav position strikes again
Instant upgrade!
but not the honeydipper dude
January 12th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Riff
Bovine Droppings!
Branch had great individual stats as well.
But as with any theory or opinion, you have to back it up with evidence, and to do that I am going to compare Cliff Branch’s career with that of two receivers from the same era who are already in the hall of fame, Lynn Swann and Bob Hayes.
Bob Hayes years 11 receptions 371 Yards 7414 Avg 20.0 TD 68 Rings 2
Lynn Swann Years 9 receptions 336 Yards 5462 AVG 16.3 TD 51 Rings 4
Cliff Branch Years 13 Rec 501 Yards 8685 Avg 17.3 TD 67 Rings 3
Now any reasonably objective person looking at these statistics could only conclude that these three players are clearly in very much the same group, and if you had to pick one player to be excluded, it would be Hayes, not Branch. Cliff played longer, had considerably more receptions than either, more yards than either, better yards per reception than Swann, and had just one touchdown less than Hayes.
Just the facts man.
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Too bad HOF voters don’t have any common sense
January 12th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Why teams run the ball on 3rd and 1 or 2 is beyond me. You might as wel just punt on 3rd down, those runs DO NOT WORK.
Also, why I feel D-line is so much more important than O-line. They had Pro Bowl Oher, against Pro Bowl Von Miller.
Wasn’t even a contest. Miller shoved him out of the way and blew up the ball.
Great D-line is like great pitching, they don’t ALWAYS win, but they do most of the time.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Those who think you can’t turn a NFL franchise around quickly look at Denver.
Elway and Fox took Mcdaniel’s awful team and made them Super Bowl contenders by good coaching and smart GM moves.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Why teams run the ball on 3rd and 1 or 2 is beyond me. You might as wel just punt on 3rd down, those runs DO NOT WORK.
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You mean Knapps runs to the sideline on 3rd & 1 don’t work.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!
January 12th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Firebabys fav position strikes again
Instant upgrade!
but not the honeydipper dude
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Wouldn’t it be nice to be excited about returning a punt??
It’s been years since we could say so, we are just hoping that nothing disastrous happens.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Those who think you can’t turn a NFL franchise around quickly look at Denver.
Elway and Fox took Mcdaniel’s awful team and made them Super Bowl contenders by good coaching and smart GM moves.
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They’ve been building for years.
Don’t compare any other franchise to Oakland. Impossible.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
You mean Knapps runs to the sideline on 3rd & 1 don’t work.
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We were 18th in the league, respectable. Actually better than the 49ers.
Half the league is sub 50%.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Rushing&range=NFL&rank=016
January 12th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I called this one.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Over is sure looking good isn’t it?
Peyton sucks in cold-weather, always has.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Booyah!
January 12th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Morilla Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Those who think you can’t turn a NFL franchise around quickly look at Denver.
Elway and Fox took Mcdaniel’s awful team and made them Super Bowl contenders by good coaching and smart GM moves.
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They’ve been building for years.
Don’t compare any other franchise to Oakland. Impossible.
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Ok, so there’s no chance we win soon. All the excuses lined up already. Pathetic logic.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Is Peyton going to take the team any further than Tebow did?
I am going to seriously LMAO if they lose this game and after all that, it is still a 2nd round playoff exit.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Vintage “Manning Face” as CBS heads to commercial…
January 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
BALT
SF
SEA
HOU
January 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Maybe the Ravens can end P Manning’s career like they did with Gannon.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Is Peyton going to take the team any further than Tebow did?
I am going to seriously LMAO if they lose this game and after all that, it is still a 2nd round playoff exit.
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I am sure ya boy tbone will be doing the same.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Come on JFB,that was interference.the guy DB had the receivers arm.Not PMs fault.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Morilla Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Rudegruden Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Those who think you can’t turn a NFL franchise around quickly look at Denver.
Elway and Fox took Mcdaniel’s awful team and made them Super Bowl contenders by good coaching and smart GM moves.
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They’ve been building for years.
Don’t compare any other franchise to Oakland. Impossible.
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Ok, so there’s no chance we win soon. All the excuses lined up already. Pathetic logic.
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Think of it in the terms of BC and AD. We are now at year 0.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
1N
January 12th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
BALT
SF
SEA
HOU
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Disagree on the other 3 games from here.
There is almost always one blowout this weekend, I got the Falcons tabbed for it.
January 12th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
KR for a TD
INT for a TD
Long Pass to a fast WR for a TD (Denver rushed 4)
Impact plays.
I doubt an OG or OT can do that.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
PR sorry
January 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Fire Reggie now.He’s a embarresment.This season is proof.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
As much as I hate Dungver as a fan I gotta say that D’s recivers make our guys look PATHETIC.
TRUTH!!
January 12th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Would/could any of our WRs make the catch Stokely just made?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
We don’t have one WR who would see any playing time for these two teams and we might have had WR’s with starts this year that wouldn’t make their 53.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
NOBODY BLOCKED ON THE LONG PASS RAIDER O ?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Manning’s got a fair amount to do with that. Still, I’d take Demarius Thomad over DHB in a heartbeat.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
That is huge . They made 5 or 6 catches that are game changers in that drive alone. None of the passes completed on that drive were routine.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
We don’t have one WR who would see any playing time for these two teams and we might have had WR’s with starts this year that wouldn’t make their 53.
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It’s Palmer’s fault…LOL
January 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Would/could any of our WRs make the catch Stokely just made?
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No.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Charlie Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Sapp was one of the major malignancies on this team and was a non contributor on the field.
Agreed.
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Baloney to both of you.
That “malignancy” was here long before Sapp got here.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Torrey Smith just learned the hard way that is the NFL playoffs, no cadillac-ing it OOB.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Flacco is damn good, he can match Peyton throw for throw.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
I thought according to the semis on here Flacco sucked,
January 12th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Terelle Pryor floater from Flacco?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
He throws the best long ball in the NFL.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Idiots!!!!
Just stand there and wave it off, risking it hitting someone or rolling 15 yards.
Do they not teach fair catching punts anymore?
When did this change happen all of a sudden?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Oakfshow Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Fire Reggie now.He’s a embarresment.This season is proof.
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Relax. Reggie will be here for years. DA, too.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Terrell Pryor floater would have worked well there, lol.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Denver better get some help for Champ. He’s getting burned by smith.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Revens airing it out throwing that “Deep Ball”. Al Davis would be proud.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
God we need some better receivers!! They are real difference makers.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
this sucks mumbles and DA r garbage and we r stuck with them while the team across the bay gets to compete for super bowls and has a competent coach and GM and we all have to hear about it i pray green bay wins today but i doubt it this 5 year plan is a bunch of horse shcat i hate mumbles and denise they both suck and have shown me no signs of turning this thing around i really wish we would have interviewed a few more GMs last year
January 12th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
#330 That is a great exciting brand of football and they are open long, they barely missed on that last one.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
God we need some better receivers!! They are real difference makers.
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You’re right. You’re not Palmer are you?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Hopefully, Green Bay and Atlanta will LOSE this weekend so Reggie and DA can get busy interviewing Ben McAdoo, Edgar Bennett, Pat Hill and whoever else for OC.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Mt. Cody is not at all impressive.
Provides no pass rush, and not seeing much of an impact against the run.
Say no to “Star” at #3
January 12th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
My cover has been blown, jesusraiderjim#carson#palmer
January 12th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Wonder how one of Pryor’s floaters would have worked there.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Hue Jackson seems likely to stay with Bengals as an assistant coach
By Jason La Canfora | CBS Sports NFL Insider
January 12, 2013 2:42 pm ET
Bengals assistant coach Hue Jackson would be next in line to take over the team’s offense if coordinator Jay Gruden gets a head coaching job and could stay in Cincinnati regardless, according to league sources.
Jackson does not have an interview with the Panthers, contrary to a report, and Carolina might end up promoting quarterbacks coach Mike Shula for its coordinator job following the departure of Rob Chudzinski to Cleveland.
The Jets have expressed interest in Jackson for their offensive coordinator opening, but Jackson has not scheduled anything there, either. The opportunity to stay with the Bengals and work with quarterback Andy Dalton seems more attractive than entering the cauldron in New York with a coach on the hot seat and embattled quarterback Mark Sanchez.
Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis is a strong supporter of Jackson and values his work, and teams do not have to allow candidates to interview for coordinator jobs; in fact, many are blocked.
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Yes, most good coaching candidates are blocked from leaving teams. There are a number of coaches who have expiring contracts though. Isn’t the senior bowl and the combine where a lot of coaches go to lobby for jobs?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Just kidding!!!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Perfectly, Lefty.
Just would have been to the back of the endzone, lol.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Mt. Cody is not at all impressive.
Provides no pass rush, and not seeing much of an impact against the run.
Say no to “Star” at #3
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Lotulelei is supposed to be a lot better than Terrance Cody.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
i dont understand why there r so many people with blind faith in mumbles the guy seems like a moron when he speaks and so far most his moves have proven it
January 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Manning is a bad f’n man! why oh why did he have to end up in Denver???
January 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Staying with Andy Dalton is more “attractive”?
Someone tell Debo!!!!
January 12th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I’m talking about the one to Decker over they middle that put them in the red zone.Just so happened he threw a TD before I could finish.LOL
January 12th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
The out and ups in the redzone are great play designs.
That’s 2 TDs I’ve seen off that same route.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
The difference between our RAIDERS and these two teams are NIGHT and DAY!!!
WE are not a GOOD team in any sense of the word.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
i dont understand why there r so many people with blind faith in mumbles the guy seems like a moron when he speaks and so far most his moves have proven it
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You mean getting rid of Routt (who can’t stay employed)?
Getting rid of DVD (who can’t make plays)?
Getting picks and players back for waste like Bruce Campbell and Louis Murphy?
What exactly are you referring to?
January 12th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
OK, that was a horrible throw from Flacco.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Flacco is damn good, he can match Peyton throw for throw.
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JFB, you cursed Flacco. Right after your statement things started turning ugly for The Ravens.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
LOOK AT THE PASSION> we are missing that so bad.
We got MFR’s that celebrate after a 12 yard run for a first down. I wish we had DEl Rio
January 12th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Hell I just wish we had half the PASSION on our staff.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Getting rid of DVD (who can’t make plays)?
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When DVD was drafted, I recall I said:
Worst pick of the draft? DVD.
Al’s favorite pick of the draft? DVD.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
ian85 Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
this sucks mumbles and DA r garbage and we r stuck with them while the team across the bay gets to compete for super bowls and has a competent coach and GM and we all have to hear about it i pray green bay wins today but i doubt it this 5 year plan is a bunch of horse shcat i hate mumbles and denise they both suck and have shown me no signs of turning this thing around i really wish we would have interviewed a few more GMs last year
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I know. It sucks doesn’t it. I mean the SF is real good stuff. I’m not sure if ” mumbles” sucks or not.
I’m not sure if DA sucks or not. The early returns say yes but i’m willing (as if i have a choice) to see what he does this coming season.
A HUGE red flag came up with his strict adherence to the zbs when he saw it wasn’t working.
I’m trying to lock onto something I like about him. Him benching McClain was a positive sign as well as dismissing Knapp. The handling of Pryor was messed up too. There was no reason not to have Pryor start the last 3 games imo and in general, I don’t like the half azzed committment to Palmer. Either he’s our QB or he isn’t.
When u have so much invested in a QB like Palmer you give him the weapons he needs to win with. A 5th rd. pick like DMoore and an undrafted rookie who caught 19 passes in college is not much of an arsenal.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
My draft order, top ten; do not want to move back any farther than that:
10) Louteli
Miliner
9) Geno Smith
7) Te’o
6) Moore
5) Joeckel
4) Warmack, but not at #3 overall
3) Werner
2) Jones
1) Trade Down.
January 12th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Manning is a bad f’n man! why oh why did he have to end up in Denver???
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Yeah. Talk about lucky. Denver and GB both. GB has a hof’er in Favre and then lucks into getting Rodgers at # 22 in the draft and they’re set.
NE lucks into a 6th rounder becoming one of the all time greats and we get Jamarcus.
January 12th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Anyone one that thinks our receivers are adequate is delusional.
We look amatuerish compared to these guys.
January 12th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
No matter the W-L record, Raiders need to keep DA as HC for the entire 2013 season.
We can always sign a new HC next off season.
Raiders, Mark Davis, and Reggie must prove they are a top tier organization.
January 12th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Torrey is looking good.
Champ is looking like a chump.
January 12th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
It just keeps getting worse!!
Reality sucks! Like a giant slap in the face.
WE SUCK AT EVERY PHASE OF THEAME!!
January 12th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
* THE GAME you get my drift.
January 12th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Chump can still lay the wood!!
January 13th, 2013 at 3:17 am
[...] game features the two preseason Super Bowl favorites Packers and 49ers. Only one more… Woodson grew up after he left the Raiders – ibabuzz.com 01/12/2013 Green Bay Packers defensive back Charles Woodson attained a level of [...]
January 14th, 2013 at 10:42 am
I will just talk to myself for awhile.
At least there will be no racist rants or McFadden20 drivle
January 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:42 am
I will just talk to myself for awhile.
At least there will be no racist rants or McFadden20 drivle
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post # 367
January 14th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Almost every Green Bay beat writer and even some national media report C-Wood will be jettisoned by the Packers.
McKenzie loves to bring Woodson up during interviews, think Reggie tries to get Charles to finish his career where it started?
January 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Well I guess we can talk about anything:
So the weather here is unseasonably cold. Single digit temps in Southern Utah.
Kinda like DMacs YPC average.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Think Woodson WANTS to come back here? Or will he just retire.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:48 am
I would be all about Woodsen. His veteran leadership alone would pay HUGE dividends
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Even if he had to be a role player it would be huge.
A very big upgrade over anything we currently have on the roster
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 am
I’m in!
January 14th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Bcz24
You’re probably right.
Why in the world would C-Wood come back.
I would love to see him back. One of my favorite Raiders of all-time.
Sad thing is, he’s probably HOF material and he’s going in as a Packer.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:53 am
This off season has the potential to be fairly exciting.
Same cant be said for our play this season.
We better man up cause every team in our division will be better next year.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Im excited to see if we have a shot at Anthony Spencer.
Dallas moving away from 3-4, and will let him walk allegedly.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Tarver and the rest of his defensive staff need to devise ways to disguise the blitz better — can’t have the safties running from 10-yards out to the line of scrimmage well before the ball his hiked.
Timing needs to be of dire importance in camp this offseason.
But, for a rookie DC, yes, he had his heartache moments where things were terrible, but, if the D can replicate December’s defensive performance, Raiders can be adequate on D.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Mingo has to be the pick at 3.
Has to.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
On another note check out this BULLSVHT!!!!
CHICAGO, IL — Federal Amtrak police sniff passengers with dogs as they ride a passenger train.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-05-19/news/chi-heightened-nato-security-in-effect-for-commuters-20120519_1_metra-electric-district-security-guards-officers
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Don’t know who’s idea it was to move to another blog post, but I like it. Once these things get past about 1500 posts or so it’s not even worth going to the site because they either take too long to load or they hang and won’t even load at all.
Not sure why the beat writers take so long to post a new one anyway. I know they’re probably assigned to the Niners right now, but it shouldn’t take too long to post a new one here. Hell, half the stuff they post is either a summary of something they read somewhere else or is a direct transcript anyway.
Lazy.
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Edward Teach
The offseason is probably time for Jerry Mac and Stevie Cork to get some vacay.
I have seen both on the 49ers beat since Raiders’ season ended to give the normal 49ers beat writers some time off.
Plus, Mac and Cork are probably still recovering from the weekend after they had to cover a team win a playoff game.
Wish it will be soon for the two to cover a Raider playoff win…
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Teach
Just keepin it real for the blog BRO’s with smart phones.
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Mingo has to be the pick at 3.
Has to. We could team him with “MONGO” from Blazzing saddles and we would be rock solid
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Re: This Woodson Article, I guess nothing will settle your night life down like moving to Wisconsin.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
2347.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
2342.jackasspuria Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Almost every Green Bay beat writer and even some national media report C-Wood will be jettisoned by the Packers.
McKenzie loves to bring Woodson up during interviews, think Reggie tries to get Charles to finish his career where it started?
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Yeah, not going to happen…but imagine Woodsson and Aso back together…it would be s nice “story”
January 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Twinkle Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:52 am
DMAC Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:27 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:16 am
It SUCKED a little bit less today to be a RAIDER fan, at least thats what it felt like when I cruised by the Dungver fan this morning.
One NATION “RAIDER NATION”
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True, but the Whiners are still in it.
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til next week……….I said at the beginning of the season that I’d be surprised given their roster if they lost a game…..maybe Harbaugh cant walk on water.What about sh!tcanning the visor and getting Faggio…..nah we’d just be where we are now.I have no clue who can possibly help us.
Oh and Bob Marley here is a sidenote to your sidenote on Trestman…….
He entered football coaching at the University of Miami in 1981 as a volunteer coach. In 1983 he was named quarterbacks coach. That year quarterback Bernie Kosar passed for 2,329 yards and Miami won the national championship. The next year Kosar completed 262 passes for 3,642 yards, both school records.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Even if there is no news at all, just write a quick post that says nothing new to report every day, just to keep the comment level down.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I’ve been scouring Youtube and other video web sites and cannot find the short shot CBS showed of John Elway’s face as the Ravens’ game-winning field goal went through the uprights.
Classic stuff.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Hell of an idea people……dunno what it accomplishes but a hell of an idea anyway!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
If he gets injured, everyone complains. If he tries to last a full season by playiing smart, everyone complains.
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I don’t get it either
lol
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I aint pissed so much as I think Knapp fvcked DMAC’s head up by over using him the 1st game.
Dmac needs to step up his game and be utilized the right way.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Or… I know this would be stretch, but program the sight to ONLY display the most recent 200 or so posts, and leave it to the user if they want to load up the older posts and sort through them.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Wonder if Jerry Mac and Stevie Cork will have anything on the weekend tweets about Trestman and Olsen interviewing for OC jobs — allegedly.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Whats the word on Murlarkey?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 am
385.bcz24 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Even if there is no news at all, just write a quick post that says nothing new to report every day, just to keep the comment level down.
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C’Mon Becker, just put up your faviorite football BBQ receipe…
January 14th, 2013 at 11:04 am
DMAC Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
2342.jackasspuria Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Almost every Green Bay beat writer and even some national media report C-Wood will be jettisoned by the Packers.
McKenzie loves to bring Woodson up during interviews, think Reggie tries to get Charles to finish his career where it started?
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Yeah, not going to happen…but imagine Woodsson and Aso back together…
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I’d bring them back only at a reasonable cost.
Have C-Wood play FS for us.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am
DMAC
Limbo.
The Jacksonville — last place he coached — media doesn’t even have any speculation on where he will land.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Yep old horseface and jesus having a sh!tty day…..can’t imagine what the problem could be….they come from Denver….they gotta be used to it.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am
DMAC Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Dakota Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Woodson at safetly, and Nnamdi back in the fold at CB….then use the drat to strengthen the LBers and d-line.
JUST WIN BABY!
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OK
Now ur talking
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I could back this movement.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am
380.jackasspuria Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Edward Teach
The offseason is probably time for Jerry Mac and Stevie Cork to get some vacay.
I have seen both on the 49ers beat since Raiders’ season ended to give the normal 49ers beat writers some time off.
Plus, Mac and Cork are probably still recovering from the weekend after they had to cover a team win a playoff game.
Wish it will be soon for the two to cover a Raider playoff win…
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Well, sure. They could cut and paste a bio of Pederson or Trestman in about 30 seconds or so, though.
We keep up with most of the comings and goings as well as they do (that’s not a criticism, it’s just easy to do). It’s just that we like to talk about those things among ourselves and when the blog doesn’t function properly it’s a hassle, is all.
Guess I should get a life, huh? lol
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Thanx Jack
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Twinkle Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Yep old horseface and jesus having a sh!tty day…..can’t imagine what the problem could be….they come from Denver….they gotta be used to it.
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Hey! Don’t lump me into any conversation with a horseface in it. LOL
January 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am
In other NFL news…
No GM in their right mind wants the job NY Jets job. Several media outlets reporting its ’salary cap’ hell with team estimated at over $15-20 mill over cap.
Oh yeah, read a tidbit on Rotoworld yesterday the Eagles are going to talk to Brian Billick about the job? (I probably butchered Brian’s last name there… ex-Ravens coach).
January 14th, 2013 at 11:08 am
396.jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am
DMAC Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Dakota Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Woodson at safetly, and Nnamdi back in the fold at CB….then use the drat to strengthen the LBers and d-line.
JUST WIN BABY!
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OK
Now ur talking
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I could back this movement.
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Sure sounds nice, just don’t tell the Blog accountants about this
January 14th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Edward Teach
No prob man!
I’m the same way.
But a friend of mine works at the Trib and told me the inside deal with vacay’s and stuff.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Would be like night and day though.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:09 am
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT UG]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB WKU]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE UCLA]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR VSU]
7- Terron Armstrong [RT APBU]
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Reggie is probably pissed off with Mark right about now.”could have fired me you SOB and I’d be the next man up in newyorkcity.”
January 14th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Funny…Aso and Woodson back? Aso said he wants to stay with Philly, and Woodson…he’s what? 36 maybe…I don’t see it…but it would be fun!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Twinkle
Haha!
Didn’t Machete McKenzie hire an ex-Jet exec to be his right-hand man here in Oakland?
Bet that dude is one happy MF’er to be out of the reported ‘hell job’ the Jets gig is now.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am
bcz24 Says:
Even if there is no news at all, just write a quick post that says nothing new to report every day, just to keep the comment level down.
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Tried to get a post going last Monday for that with all our signatures to email to Cork and Becker, but it didn’t gin any traction. Probably ’cause I then suggested the revolt.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am
The draft will have to be as follows.
OL
OL
OL
DL
OL
OL
Ol
DL
January 14th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Think Dakota will hang tough again? Q and A with himself?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
The draft will have to be as follows.
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contributors
contributors
contributors…..
January 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Got the kiddo dressed, made her and the Mrs. breakfast, sent them on their way for their day.
Did laundry, now folding, listening to tunes and chatting it up on the blog.
Whomever said Raider fans aren’t productive are some lyin’ arse besterds.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
You heard it here first…
AJ Hawk will be wearing Silver and Black next year!!
Woodson 50/50, I think he’ll retire.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
Those were his bachelor days.
Now he’ll probably stick to just fk’n groupies on road games.
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They do that??
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
I hope they boneheadedly decide on Greg Olson…uggghhh, barf!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
R8eray
Ever since McKenzie was even hinted at landing the Raiders’ GM job, the guy I always thought who he would bring with him to Oakland is Hawk.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am
r8eray Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
You heard it here first…
AJ Hawk will be wearing Silver and Black next year!!
Woodson 50/50, I think he’ll retire.
Aj Hawk, huh? Interesting if Brady Wuinn stays in KC…haha!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:20 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
I hope they boneheadedly decide on Greg Olson…uggghhh, barf!
Sorry, don’t boneheadedly decide…
January 14th, 2013 at 11:21 am
jackasspuria Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Twinkle
Haha!
Didn’t Machete McKenzie hire an ex-Jet exec to be his right-hand man here in Oakland?
Bet that dude is one happy MF’er to be out of the reported ‘hell job’ the Jets gig is now.
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yep and the man is probably first on the list.Reggies old lady has already sh1tcanned them from the christmas card list
January 14th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Talk about landing on his feet…
Chief’s OC this past season Brian Daboll, is expected to return to the Patriots staff next season.
Also, here’s another interesting tidbit:
Rotoworld:
According to CBS’ Jason La Canfora, there is a “growing perception” around the league that Eagles GM Howie Roseman is “woefully out of his depth.”
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 am
The day AJ Hawk and Charles Woodson get put on GB’s practice squad, then i’ll believe we’ve got a shot at Reggie signing them.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 am
The_Judge37
Haha!
So true! Boom!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:25 am
So it is expected DA will give the new OC complete control of the O like he gave Knapp, correct?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Wonderful site to go to for NFL news… oh, and Fantasy Football insight…
http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football-player-news
More on the perception the Eagles’ GM is clueless…
According to CBS’ Jason La Canfora, there is a “growing perception” around the league that Eagles GM Howie Roseman is “woefully out of his depth.”
Per La Canfora, numerous “esteemed (coaches)” have advised multiple candidates to replace Andy Reid “not to take the job precisely because of Roseman’s presence there.” There are “rumblings” that Roseman lacks “nuance and foresight,” and is “turning people off with how drunk with power he’s become.” The Eagles are known to have targeted at least 14 candidates, and conducted 10 interviews. Reid, meanwhile, is settling in with the Chiefs.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:27 am
423.jackasspuria Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:25 am
So it is expected DA will give the new OC complete control of the O like he gave Knapp, correct?
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Hope not, that was his Second mistake, first was hiring him.
If DA wants to be able to forget about the offense and just focus on Defense, then he shouldve stayed a DC.
He needs to be on top of all aspects of the team, Off, Def, and SP teams.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
Those were his bachelor days.
Now he’ll probably stick to just fk’n groupies on road games.
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They do that??
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Remember the Shaq-Kobe feud?
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 am
I can see Belichick signing Charles Woodson next year and getting a couple of good seasons from him at S, just like with Rodney Harrison.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:28 am
The_Judge37
Hope so too.
DA kind of left Knapp holding the bag in terms of the lackluster offense.
I would love to see DA hands-on in all aspects, as well.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:29 am
It will be up to Thompson to decide whether to go on with Hawk and his $5.45 million salary cap number or use a top pick to find a complement to Bishop, who is coming off a torn hamstring and has a lot of hurdles to clear before proving he’s the player he once was.
Thompson also probably will part ways with Woodson, who with a $10 million salary cap number is way too expensive to keep around for a 14-year veteran that has suffered two broken collarbones.
Thompson is not one open to change, but he did commit to rebuilding the defense last spring with the six draft picks and he might need to break his resistance to free agency to turn this defense around. Salary cap space would be available if he dumps Hawk and Woodson.
-Milwaukee Sentinel
January 14th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Almost forgot about Bishop.
He’s the type of late-round player I hope McKenzie can unearth in this upcoming draft.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:30 am
- Hire Ray Anderson
- OC – Marc Trestman
OL – Juan Castillo
LB – Billy Davis
ST – Alan Lowry
- Free Agents:
WR – Jordan Shipley
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
ILB – Larry Grant
DT – Justin Bannan
CB – Glover Quin
RT – Jeff Otah
- Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT UG]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB WKU]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE UCLA]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR VSU]
7- Terron Armstrong [RT APBU]
January 14th, 2013 at 11:31 am
In fact, I could see Belichick signing both Woodson and a discount-price Nnamdi for next season.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:32 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:23 am
The day AJ Hawk and Charles Woodson get put on GB’s practice squad, then i’ll believe we’ve got a shot at Reggie signing them.
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lol
Thats a good 1
January 14th, 2013 at 11:32 am
It’s been fun gents.
Have to get ready for work.
Hope this thread is going strong later today.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Ok then let us just cut to the chase.Who in the fuk in their right mind would want this job?Falls into 2 categories.
1….those whose lifestyles and aspirations would be fulfilled buy 1 years salary and buyout clause and
2….those who are so worthless that this job represents an opportunity that would never present itself to them in normal life.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:36 am
I could see Woodson, G. Jennings, AJ Hawk and Donald Driver in the Silver and Black next year!
Too easy to call!
January 14th, 2013 at 11:37 am
U THINK THESE GUY’S JUST LIKE TO RUN UP THE POST # ON THESE THREADS OR WHAT..
January 14th, 2013 at 11:38 am
DE- Desmond Bryant/Matt Shaughnessy
NT- Kwame Geathers/Ricky Jean-Francois
DE- Lamar Houston/Justin Bannan
OLB- Barkevious Mingo/Kaelin Burnett
ILB- Miles Burris/Larry Grant
ILB- Andrew Jackson
OLB- Phillip Wheeler/Trevor Scott
CB- Phillip Adams/Greg Reid/Chimdi Chekwa
CB- Glover Quin/Brandian Ross
NB- Joselio Hanson
FS- Michael Huff
SS- Tyvon Branch
January 14th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Raiders Coaching Jobs are more times than not a no lose situation for coaches. If they make progress, then they’re praised for it, if not, it’s chalked up as Raider Dysfunction and they’re giving a pass by the rest of the NFL. And the fact is an NFL job is still an NFL job, and it’s better than CFL, Arena, and even College in most cases. So let’s not harp too much on how undesirable the Vacancy is.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:40 am
r8eray Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:36 am
I could see Woodson, G. Jennings, AJ Hawk and Donald Driver in the Silver and Black next year!
Too easy to call!
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Chances these guys are here next season.
Woodson – %19.6
Jennings – %6.5
Hawk – %39.8
Driver – %12.2
January 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
C’Mon Becker, just put up your faviorite football BBQ receipe…
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Jerry’s is probably better.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Dr- Rob and Miss Tick at it on the other post. We’re on the QT now.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:53 am
I think MR took an advanced trolling/ blog disruption course and came back as both Mistic nd Dr_Rob.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
I’m here for the revolt. I was told there’d be punch and pie.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Kind of a half hearted revolt. Sort of petered out.
January 14th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
‘Kaepernicking’ is all the craze after 49ers win!
Has anyone seen this?
January 14th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
You bloggers that won’t fight the revolt, have tea and cookies and help out smart phone bros.
Goy about as much ability to change things up as Knapp does in the second half of football games. LOL!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Got!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
It is my pleasure to join the revolt.
Others shall come and yay they shall joineth as well.
Kudos to the leaders of the revolt.
Yay Jesusraiderjim, jackassurpia, BCV24, DennisAllensvisor,DMAC, EdwardTeach,Twinkle, R8erray, The Judge, DaTrinity, Bob Marley and DIRTLOT have ledeth the way.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
I’m still here, just don’t have much to say. it’s too slow on the other side.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
When it’s pushing 3,000 they’ll be back. Need to keep it trickling over here for those that check in.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
The_Judge37 Says
I’m still here, just don’t have much to say. it’s too slow on the other side.
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From wikipedia;
Hayes was a lifelong stutterer until well into his professional career. He tended to stay quiet, rather than draw attention to his condition. For this reason, he was often looked upon as not very smart, but after successful treatment, people “couldn’t shut him up,” according to former Raiders coach John Madden, and it was revealed that Hayes was an articulate, intelligent man.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Sapp hates the Raiders cuz he blames his time here for possibly screwing up his HOF chances.
If he gets in he’ll start to be nice. You watch.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
452.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
The_Judge37 Says
I’m still here, just don’t have much to say. it’s too slow on the other side.
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From wikipedia;
Hayes was a lifelong stutterer until well into his professional career. He tended to stay quiet, rather than draw attention to his condition. For this reason, he was often looked upon as not very smart, but after successful treatment, people “couldn’t shut him up,” according to former Raiders coach John Madden, and it was revealed that Hayes was an articulate, intelligent man.
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LOL, Rodney King was also a well known stutterer:
“C-C-C-Can’t we all just Git Along?”
January 14th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
No news…this time of year can really be good news! However, after letting go 4 coaches…hope we hear someting soon!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Raiders Coaching Jobs are more times than not a no lose situation for coaches. If they make progress, then they’re praised for it, if not, it’s chalked up as Raider Dysfunction and they’re giving a pass by the rest of the NFL. And the fact is an NFL job is still an NFL job, and it’s better than CFL, Arena, and even College in most cases. So let’s not harp too much on how undesirable the Vacancy is.
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that is a damn good point!!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Watch D. Moore, DE of Texas A&M, completely disappear vs Alabama..
I don’t see explosion. Gets handled constantly one-on-one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3VF1vkiKFo
January 14th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Good points #456
January 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Mingo > Moore
January 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
@DennisAllensVisor
What do you think of TE Delaine Walker as a possible FA?
January 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
The one thing that stood out to me in all the playoff series was the SMASHMOUTH football that was taking place.
The wood was brought in everygame and every team at some point.
Pretty great games for the most part.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
We can hire a good OC, and i don’t mind the Martz interview. But i don’t think the line of thinking is right if this is the route they want to go with for this roster. Can’t go spread throwing offense with a bad o-line and a QB who’s main faults are accuracy and quick decision making.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
@DennisAllensVisor
What do you think of TE Delaine Walker as a possible FA?
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Drops a ton of passes.
Would be strictly #2 blocking TE.
If he comes cheap, wouldnt hate it at all.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Mingo > Moore
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I still say Mingo one one end and MONGO from Blazzing Saddles on the other. I aint jokin!!
January 14th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
“I believe Mingo can stand up and play the SAM. He will play the position much like Von Miller. If there is a player similar to Miller this year, it is Mingo”
January 14th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
That kind of play on D would help alot.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Miller is pretty much of a stud. Just being a “chance” to be a threat on every play is a huge plus.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
467.jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Miller is pretty much of a stud. Just being a “chance” to be a threat on every play is a huge plus.
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Yeah i hope he breaks his legs too.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT/DE, Georgia]
4- Andrew Jackson [ILB, W.Kentucky]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE, UCLA]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Terron Armstead [OT, Ark-PB]
Cant see our draft going any better without a trade down.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
DAV
Where in the draft do you see the KR from the UTES is gonna go. He ran his arse off this year. Returned a bunch for TD’s
January 14th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
The one thing that stood out to me in all the playoff series was the SMASHMOUTH football that was taking place.
The wood was brought in everygame and every team at some point.
Pretty great games for the most part.
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Damn right……football hasn’t changed a bit….
biggest baddest ugliest wins every damn game every time.
Once upon a time we (yes us the Oakland Raiders) owned that title….and I for one are damned happy to have been there….we may never reach that height again but ask me if I care.The 76 Raiders are acknowledged by all sports writers as the greatest team ever and I will rest happy knowing that I and my Raider brothers will be there no matter how bad this sh!t gets.You guys are the best and follow the best team ever…..do not fukking forget it!!!!
#1 RAIDERS #1
fuk em all.
January 14th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
You go Twinkie
The Utes returner is Reggie Dunn returned 4 for TD’s this season avg about 53 tds a game on the returns.??
January 14th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
DAV
Where in the draft do you see the KR from the UTES is gonna go. He ran his arse off this year. Returned a bunch for TD’s
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Reggie Dunn?
Anywhere from 5th to UDFA..
January 14th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
If we could get as UDFA it would be worth a shot.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Moore was banged up this year, but played through the injury, but was still effective enough to hurry Landry many times in last game
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Twinkle, you a native or displaced yank, if you don’t mind my asking?
January 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
456.Twinkle Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Raiders Coaching Jobs are more times than not a no lose situation for coaches. If they make progress, then they’re praised for it, if not, it’s chalked up as Raider Dysfunction and they’re giving a pass by the rest of the NFL. And the fact is an NFL job is still an NFL job, and it’s better than CFL, Arena, and even College in most cases. So let’s not harp too much on how undesirable the Vacancy is.
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that is a damn good point!!!!
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…although, I don’t see Greg Knapp’s name popping up for anything. Am I missing it?
January 14th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Twinkle, you a native or displaced yank, if you don’t mind my asking?
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I am a new zealander and I believe you have have asked me this before or I might be wrong……….and I certainly do not mind you asking!
January 14th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
No DJ you are not missing squat
January 14th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Twinkle Says:
I am a new zealander and I believe you have have asked me this before or I might be wrong…
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Probably did. There’s three things that go when you get older; your memory, your eyesight, and… I don’t remember the other one.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Somehow Knapp stays employed. He’ll get a job somewhere, maybe not OC tho’.
January 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
477, The Stench of Knapp’s failure stink for the rest of the NFL’s history. Besides, Raider Dysfunction already saved his career the 1st time.
January 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
FIRE KNAPP!!!
January 14th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
With all the coaching positions…you know who isn’t interviewing or rumored to be interviewing? Winston moss…remeber that dude?
January 14th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
The revolution will resume when the alcohol drinkers are asleep and the coffe drinkers return. Not that some of the AM crew don’t imbibe at night, but you know what I mean.
January 14th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
1st game(half game) on day 5 with Raiders.
Here’s his second and third ‘horrible’ games. Do you see you credibility issue, Priest?
Comp Att Yds Y/A Lng Int TD
Den 19 35 332 9.5 4033
SD 14 20 299 15.0 55 1 2
January 15th, 2013 at 5:40 am
Hopefully I don’t sit over here all alone all morning.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:41 am
We have a scout named Teddy Atlas?
That’s awesome!!! Does he have the cool scar like the fight trainer as well?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:48 am
Bcz,
Who is your short list of players at #3?
If we trade down, I wouldn’t expect anything earth-shattering, I think that puts Te’O back in the mix.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:48 am
what up fellas? Tried this yesterday but to many selfish stubborn, pigheaded know whats best for the blog MF’s would not commit LOL
I am just lokkin out for my homies with phonies
January 15th, 2013 at 5:49 am
Good Morning Nation!!!!
Nothing new…zzzzzz
January 15th, 2013 at 5:50 am
The only name cooler than Teddy Atlas is Johnny the Wad. For real, bet his parents were proud of him, no?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:50 am
Good morning my fellow conquistadors!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 5:52 am
Was supposed to go up North this morning, but snow and ice and -10 temperatures made me chicken out.
My plan isn’t going to be too happy though, they don’t have much tolerance for city slickers in Hyundai’s wimping out with a little ice, lol.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:52 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:53 am
GG 2 posts are pretty good if you get a chance to read them.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:54 am
JFB Fvck them “Safety First”
Someone gonna die if you don’t go in to work?
Jack wagons I swear!
January 15th, 2013 at 5:55 am
I read those, but didn’t get his raitionalization that it didn’t matter where you drafted the QB.
You had more Super Bowl winners in the first round, than all the other rounds combined, lol.
Take out Brady, and that goes up crazily.
Great research, bad synopsis.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:56 am
And besides JFB with your previos off-road excursions it is DEFINETLY better tp err on the side of caution LMAO!!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:00 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/15/chiefs-will-draft-best-player-available-not-reach-for-a-quarterback/
I don’t blame them, but I hope they feel the heat and reach anyway. Gives us more options at 3.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:01 am
And besides JFB with your previos off-road excursions it is DEFINETLY better tp err on the side of caution LMAO!!
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I’m telling ya!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:02 am
I think the Chiefs take Joeckel.
I had to google it, I’ve been calling him Jake Loeckel, lol.
Probably not the best sign for a #1 pick, when people don’t even know your name.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:06 am
Not like Cheers, no?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:07 am
NORM!!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:10 am
Hearing reports Trestman about to be Bears HC! Let’s see…
January 15th, 2013 at 6:14 am
I was hearing that too Hwnrdr
January 15th, 2013 at 6:17 am
“WHATS SHAK’N NORM ?”
“ALL 4 CHEEKS AND A COUPLE OF CHIN’S,GIMME A BEER..”
January 15th, 2013 at 6:18 am
lmao dirt
January 15th, 2013 at 6:19 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:17 am
“WHATS SHAK’N NORM ?”
“ALL 4 CHEEKS AND A COUPLE OF CHIN’S,GIMME A BEER..”
LOL
January 15th, 2013 at 6:20 am
So if Trestman goes to Chicago, does that mean Martz will be back in the Bay? I actually forgot he was in SF not too long ago…
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Dam…did everyone go to Cheers this chilly morning?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Man, it feels like the wrong year to have the #3 pick. Sure there’s guys we would take and would like to have but, none that high are “MUST HAVE, CAN’T MISS” ……
I dunno
January 15th, 2013 at 6:39 am
I know I am about the only one in here who thinks so, but I like the Falcons this weekend.
And if they did win, how impressive would it be to beat the #1 then the #2 scoring defenses on the way to the Super Bowl?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:42 am
You guys complain about having the #3 pick. But at least there aren’t any “can’t miss” guys at the top of the draft. Consider if you will the 2007 draft. Historically bad draft for QB’s. Maybe 2013 is a draft you are glad you avoid if you need a QB.
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb
John Beck
Drew Stanton
Trent Edwards
Isaiah Stanback
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen
January 15th, 2013 at 6:43 am
I agree Ghost! JFB, I was kinda upset that the Seahawks didn’t pull it off at the end because IMO, they were the best matchup for SF. However, I am not counting the “Dirty Birds” out…I would like to see a Legend bowl, with Ray and Tony going at it!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:43 am
As long as Patriots lose, I’m happy with whoever else makes it
January 15th, 2013 at 6:44 am
Good Morning Guest! Who do you want to see us pick with the #3?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:44 am
I disagree with that Falcons call. Niners will smoke them this weekend. Falcons defense gets shredded regularly by mobile running QB’s. Cam Newton torched them this year. Falcons will lose and lose big time.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Looks like Chargers to hire Mike McCoy
January 15th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Yeah, that would be a good one. I don’t particualrly “LIKE” the Ravens but….Gotta respect Ray. I’d like to see him go out on top. I have to say, I’ve never seen another player with his passion.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Good Morning Hawaiian Raider!
I put my pick in for Björn Werner, 4-3 DE and 3-4 OLB and overall beast sack machine out of FSU. But that’s just my opinion.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Anybody hear about the Ravens Aya-pendejo ripping the Patriots Offense with its quick snaps and trick formations as “btch-azz”. That’s locker room material.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:49 am
That might not be a bad pick, although wasn’t many saying that he disappears at times? Or was that Moore?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:50 am
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:48 am
Anybody hear about the Ravens Aya-pendejo ripping the Patriots Offense with its quick snaps and trick formations as “btch-azz”. That’s locker room material.
Oh boy…really don’t need any more ammo for Brady!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:50 am
If we stay at #3 I think it should be Werner or Moore. Jarvis Jones might have the best rookie year, but I think his ceiling might be the lowest, with his age, injuries, and really lack of an overall skill-set (he can’t play the run).
Trade down opens that up a bit, and call me crazy, but Te’O should still be in the mix.
Just like I don’t knock Clay Matthews down now for being ineffective in one game against the best O-line in football, I do the same for Te’O.
That kid can play.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:50 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:52 am
BTW, NO to Martz, No to the Jags QB coach (really, what can you learn from a guy that coaches the worst QB’s in the league save for KC maybe), and if the only alternative is Trestman, then he’s got my full support.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Funny that it is Ayanbedajo or whatever using those terms, because he had a huge SI article about him and his role in the Gay and Lesbian community.
I think his dad eventually came out as gay or somethig like that, and he is a huge activist for gay rights.
“b!tch azz” doesn’t seem like his kind of taste.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Yup, no to Martz and Olson…JFB, I have to agree with you…I stil wouldn’t mind Te’o. He had a bad game, but he was always around the ball! Gotta give him that!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Good call on Te’0
But it would have to a precipitous fall for Reggie to get too excited about trading up for him. We have needs all over, and he’d be a nice complement to Phillip Weaver if we somehow can keep him.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I am all in on wanting Martz.
He has had the most recent success.
2010 Bears team were playing for the #1 seed in weeks 15 and 16, and put up 40 and 38 points.
First round of the playoffs, 35 points on the Seachickens.
Three straight must-win money games with 35+ points, with no Brandon Marshall or just about any talent on the O-line.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:56 am
DONT THINK WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL WE HEAR”THE OAKLNND RAIDERS ARE NOW ON THE CLOCK” OT IS MY CHOICE THOUGH..
January 15th, 2013 at 6:56 am
I think he was drunk when he did those tweets. Only thing that makes any sense.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:57 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:56 am
DONT THINK WE WILL KNOW FOR SURE UNTIL WE HEAR”THE OAKLNND RAIDERS ARE NOW ON THE CLOCK” OT IS MY CHOICE THOUGH..
LOL, and even then, we will not know! Gawd, I remember hearing DHB’s name and went…”WHAT?” But, who knows, new era, new regime!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 am
Yeah but JFB…unless we fix our lines and upgrade our receivers, do you think Martz’s system will work? And if they go with Martz, do you think they will trade Pryor?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:00 am
Martz most recent experience was total chaos for the QB. Last time anyone asked Jay Cutler about Martz, he told them to tell Martz to F himself. Add that to the fact he’s 2 years removed from the game, and the game is now moving toward the pistol set with running QB’s like Kaepernick, Wilson, RG3, Cam… I think Martz is a dinosaur of another era. Like if you asked Buddy Ryan to come out of retirement to coach defense. Some guys need to stay retired.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:01 am
Pretty much a done deal…McCoy told Denver he is accepting the job in SD!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:03 am
LOL, and even then, we will not know! Gawd, I remember hearing DHB’s name and went…”WHAT?” But, who knows, new era, new regime!
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I never wanted Crabtree, but he’s looking like a beast in the postseason, and I doubt we will ever see DHB shine like that in a postseason game for the Raiders. So it does kind of hurt watching Crabtree get the last laugh. Remember his petulant acidy laugh when the Raiders passed him over?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:04 am
And that is why I hate CrapTree…
January 15th, 2013 at 7:07 am
Can someone wake up in Alameda???
January 15th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:50 am
If we stay at #3 I think it should be Werner or Moore. Jarvis Jones might have the best rookie year, but I think his ceiling might be the lowest, with his age, injuries, and really lack of an overall skill-set (he can’t play the run).
Trade down opens that up a bit, and call me crazy, but Te’O should still be in the mix.
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You are Crazy!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:09 am
I remember when we drafted Wiz II in the second round. Al foolishly traded away the first to NE and left us waiting till halfway thru the 2nd. Meanwhile we all were hoping that Kaepernick would somehow fall to us. The Raiders scouting dept was all over that, but no ammo. Kaepernick is the future of QB’s in this league.
The Read-option out of the pistol formation is the perfect neutralizer of the pass rush. Watch the LB’s frozen in their tracks on the exchange/fake exchange with the RB. It puts them in no mans land defending the pass or getting to the QB. Huge running lanes open up and if you have a QB that can pass accurately and can run, it’s a lethal formation. Defenses haven’t solved it yet. Maybe one day they will, but for now, this new wave is going to tear up defenses for a while to come.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Te’o is big and slow, had issues shedding blocks against good talent, and he couldn’t tackle well. Sounds familiar?
Te’o = McClain without the attitude.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Ok, then tell me how Seattle stopped him…can’t all be the 12th man! I mean granted, Russell Wilson does the same thing, but…
January 15th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Star
Moore
Jones
Milliner
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Ok, O….good morning!
Who would you like to see at #3?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Ooops….read my mind!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:13 am
At least Te’O doesn’t jog. He’s got talent to succeed at the next level but he’s probably more not an elite LB as his accolades make him seem. Still I’d be happy to draft him in the late first round on a trade down scenario.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:13 am
Good morning Hwnrdr and Nation.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Say we go after D-line in FA and its solid! Do we go after Te’o then?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:15 am
I think this weekend’s game will be non-competitive snores. Both the Niners and Pats will win big.
SuperBowl will be a very good contest though.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Te’o is another media hyped player. All the things being said about him were said about McClain. Smart, leader, etc….
Pass on McClain 2.0
January 15th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Say we go after D-line in FA and its solid! Do we go after Te’o then?
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With what money? We are over the cap now, need to somehow resign Wheeler, Shane. Reggies got rabbit ear front pockets.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:17 am
Last time anyone asked Jay Cutler about Martz, he told them to tell Martz to F himself
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Hey, I am sure Gannon and Gruden said the same things to each other.
Martz has some warts for sure, but we aren’t getting a wartless guy here.
He has multiple 30+ points ostseason games under his belt, close to a half dozen.
That is worth SOMETHING, IMO.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Say we go after D-line in FA and its solid! Do we go after Te’o then?
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No way should we draft another big & slow MLB in the 1st who has issues with shedding blocks and tackling.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Say what you want about Te’O, but he had what 8 INT’s??
When’s the last collegiate LB to have that many picks?
Dude makes plays!!! If he is anything close to Kuechly, you got to take that.
We need leaders, and a defined leader on D, and he Te’O brings that to the table.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:19 am
5 INTs!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Btw, Te’o struggled in coverage before his SR year. Look at their competition and wins. The entire team was overrated.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:21 am
In the past 15 years, there have been only 2 other defensive players in the Heisman Watch.
Suh and C-Wood.
Not bad company to keep.
Not sure if I would take him at 3, but I would consider it, but if we trade down he HAS TO be at the top of our board then.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:21 am
Dude makes plays!!! If he is anything close to Kuechly, you got to take that.
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I agree. That last BCS Championship Game hurt his draft stock. But look at his body of work and he’s a playmaker. Throw out the combine and physical stats. What I care more about is do they have a knack to be in the right area to make a play?.. and do they make the play? The rest is overrated.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Say what you want about Te’O, but he had what 8 INT’s??
When’s the last collegiate LB to have that many picks?
Dude makes plays!!! If he is anything close to Kuechly, you got to take that.
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Close to Kuechly? Are you serious?
Dude is closer to McClain than Kuechly.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:23 am
Media hyped player. Who was talking about Te’o before this season?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:24 am
Not sure if I would take him at 3, but I would consider it, but if we trade down he HAS TO be at the top of our board then.
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Remember somebody mentioned a trade down scenario where we are trade partners with MIA at 13. I could see us taking Te’O at that point provided we picked up Miami’s 2 second rounders. Not a bad haul there.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Mr V.P. !!
O !!how the he11 are you doing on this rainy morning ???
January 15th, 2013 at 7:26 am
Björn Werner, the germinator = Jared Allen 2.0
January 15th, 2013 at 7:26 am
Dude Te’O was freshman All-America, and his sophmore and junior years he was a Butkus finalit.
2nd team All-American as a junior.
He wasn’t some flash in the pan here, he had one of the best collegiate careers of any LB in the history of the world.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:28 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Mr V.P. !!
O !!how the he11 are you doing on this rainy morning ???
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Mr. ODB,
How are you sir? I was doing great before I read this BS about drafting McClain 2.0. lol
Long Live The ODB and toothless women.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:28 am
he had one of the best collegiate careers of any LB in the history of the world.
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History of the WORLD…WORLD…WORLD…
January 15th, 2013 at 7:30 am
He wasn’t some flash in the pan here, he had one of the best collegiate careers of any LB in the history of the world.
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Playing against Navy, BYU, Stanford, Mich, etc….
What happened when they played a good team with NFL talent? He struggled!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:31 am
LOL Guest.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:30 am
He wasn’t some flash in the pan here, he had one of the best collegiate careers of any LB in the history of the world.
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Playing against Navy, BYU, Stanford, Mich, etc….
What happened when they played a good team with NFL talent? He struggled!
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lol.. damn you Michigan !!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:32 am
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Remember somebody mentioned a trade down scenario where we are trade partners with MIA at 13. I could see us taking Te’O at that point provided we picked up Miami’s 2 second rounders. Not a bad haul there.
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That sure would be, considering we have none in the 2nd. I always feel that need to GRAB somebody with that high pick but, nabbing two 2nd rounders would be pretty sick.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:33 am
LMAO ODB.
Go Turtles!!!
Go Buckeyes!!
Go Aztecs!!
Damn you Mich!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Stanford has plenty of talent don’t they?
They play the same crappy teams that Terrell Pryor built a collegiate career on.
Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State……
January 15th, 2013 at 7:36 am
I don’t see Miami giving up two 2nd rounders, to move up 10 spots.
WTF kind of sense would that make for them?
I more see us moving back 2-3 spots, and getting ONE 3rd rounder.
Then I can see us packaging maybe TK and our 6th to move into the 3rd.
Look for us to have multiple 3rd round picks.
Honeybadger!!!!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:36 am
lol damn right O .
FEAR THE TURTLE !!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:19 am
5 INTs!
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Btw, Te’o struggled in coverage before his SR year. Look at their competition and wins. The entire team was overrated.
Yes, that his weakness coming in Senior year and he worked his tail off to get that part better. Maybe not at #3 but you gotta say he works hard to improve. And it was 8 INTS
January 15th, 2013 at 7:38 am
i can see that scenario working JFB.. but damn a
second rounder would be nice.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Torrey Smith represented the turtles real well this past weekend.
Figures, we take the wrong WR from the University of Maryland.
Maybe we should stick to taken RT’s from Maryland Eastern Shores
January 15th, 2013 at 7:42 am
Torrey Smith represented the turtles real well this past weekend.
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He was a second rounder too if I recall. Reminds me a little of Anquon Boldin taken in the second round, by Arizona after taking a WR in the first round who was a complete washout. Not too dissimilar to DHB and Torrey when you think about it.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Who was the AZ wash-out?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:46 am
So right next to the place I was going today is Alamosa, CO, the coldest place in the whole country today!!!
-36 this morning.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:48 am
YIKES!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Stanford has plenty of talent don’t they?
They play the same crappy teams that Terrell Pryor built a collegiate career on.
Purdue, Indiana, Northwestern, Michigan, Michigan State……
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How dare you Chico? The OSU program is much better than the overhyped ND program, and don’t you ever forget that.
Stanford has a talented defense and a good TE.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Good Morning to the Peoples Provisional Army.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Mike,
Where are you at again in MD?
I was out there last month in St. Mary’s county. Man there was some good seafood joints in Solomon’s Island!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:19 am
5 INTs!
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Btw, Te’o struggled in coverage before his SR year. Look at their competition and wins. The entire team was overrated.
Yes, that his weakness coming in Senior year and he worked his tail off to get that part better. Maybe not at #3 but you gotta say he works hard to improve. And it was 8 INTS
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According to ESPN stats he has 7 unless I forgot how to count.
7 Ints in his SR year and Zero in the prev 3 years.
I know why you like him, I understand it, and I give you a pass.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Who was the AZ wash-out?
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made me look it up: Bryant Johnson in the 2003 draft. Carson Palmer went #1 in that draft.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am
3105… really? Fuçk guys.. Lazy enough?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Man this weather….brrrr….lol. Yeah I know, it could be worse, but hey…its in the mid 60’s in Honolulu
January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 am
LOL, O, yeah I’m a little biased…but that is why I wanted to watch that game. Unfortunately, it turned out that ND was way overrated and over matched in that game!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
made me look it up:
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Ha!!
Wasn’t calling your bluff man, couldn’t think of it off the top of my head.
In fact you could have given me 3,000 guesses and I probably wouldn’t have come up with Bryant Johnson.
Penn State guy I believe.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
The weather here in Florida is a chilly 65 degrees but it will warm up to 82 degrees by this afternoon.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Penn State guy I believe.
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yup,
the Ryan Leaf of WR’s went at #2, Charles Johnson one pick ahead of uber-stud Andre Johnson.
oof Lions!
Imagine Detroit with Mega and AJ on the same team?!?!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 am
LOL, O, yeah I’m a little biased…but that is why I wanted to watch that game. Unfortunately, it turned out that ND was way overrated and over matched in that game!
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I see him and I see another Maualuga and McClain. A big and slow LB who has issues shedding blocks, and probably a 2 down LB in the NFL.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 am
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
The weather here in Florida is a chilly 65 degrees but it will warm up to 82 degrees by this afternoon.
NICE!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Good Morning to the Peoples Provisional Army.
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Well then…
(in my best DMAC voice)
F.ck you people
January 15th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Good Morning to the Peoples Provisional Army.
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Well then…
(in my best DMAC voice)
F.ck you people
LOL…good morning!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Eff you too Llama Man
January 15th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Teo looks small to me.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:16 am
The combines gonna change things.. see whos talent matches their skills. Im alot more excited this yr
January 15th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Never nervous Purvis, how was it too see your budding idea of going to the previous thread in full bloom this morning?
January 15th, 2013 at 8:20 am
I could care less about the combine. I care a lot more about game tape and playmaking ability than 40 times, bench reps, and broad jumps. Even pro days are not telling of how a player executes under duress. Can’t wait for the draft though.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Gotta jury rig all my automatic llama waterers(10 of ‘em) to dribble so they don’t freeze up without wasting too much $water$. They still freeze over so I have to go chip the ice off in the morning. Six days in a row now. Over an inch thick Sunday morning. Better than burst pipes and hand watering, tho’. Should warm up tomorrow, I hope.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Ahh… to be able to type, and see it as you type it. Should last til mid afternoon tomorrow, before this entry is overloaded.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says: Never nervous Purvis, how was it too see your budding idea of going to the previous thread in full bloom this morning?
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F the moderators, we got this wired now. Glad to be a part of it.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:28 am
Wisenhunt the favorite to replace McCoy in Denver.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Ahh… to be able to type, and see it as you type it.
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or to be able to type at all. I broke my right wrist on new years day teaching my daughter how to ride a bike. Doc gave me a sleeve and no cast for some reason. A piece of bone is floating around under my sleeve. At least I can still type.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Ronnie Lott’s fingertip got nothing on me.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 am
A piece of bone is floating around under my sleeve
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Ewwwwwwwww
January 15th, 2013 at 8:33 am
bcz24 Says:
Ahh… to be able to type, and see it as you type it. Should last til mid afternoon tomorrow, before this entry is overloaded.
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Archives go back to July, 2005. Just posted there with no problem. Picture of JerMac with a goatee. We’re good damn near forever.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:33 am
I broke my right wrist on new years day teaching my daughter how to ride a bike.
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Is that an oxymoron?
Can you “teach” someone something while still breaking a bone?
January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Is that an oxymoron?
Can you “teach” someone something while still breaking a bone?
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apparently not. I was running full speed and she ditched the bike in my path. I hurtled it but came down like diving into a swimming pool, except concrete sidewalk and not water. So I suck as a teacher. I’ll stick to my day job.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 am
So Wisenhut is the favorite to replace McCoy in Denver?
January 15th, 2013 at 8:37 am
The next stage on our conquistador mission is to protest the newest thread, and hang out back here and not comment on the new ones.
Make them beg for us to come back.
Beg!!!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 am
A piece of bone is floating around under my sleeve
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Ewwwwwwwww
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that’s nothing. Ever seen a compound fracture? I have up close, left wrist as a kid. Hand dangling upside down the wrong way.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:39 am
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:38 am
A piece of bone is floating around under my sleeve
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Ewwwwwwwww
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that’s nothing. Ever seen a compound fracture? I have up close, left wrist as a kid. Hand dangling upside down the wrong way.
OUCH!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Never broken a bone in my body. My buddy broke his collar bone when we were you and I could see it move under the skin, but then his older sister came over to help and I could see her boobs and I didn’t care about the nasty bone.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Mike,
Where are you at again in MD?
I was out there last month in St. Mary’s county. Man there was some good seafood joints in Solomon’s Island!!!
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i am in Hughesville… about 2 miles from StMarys Co. and about a half hour from Solomans Isl….. and sir you are correct.. there are some very good seafood joints all around me.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:43 am
*young
January 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Seafood sounds good right about now!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:46 am
620.bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:43 am
*young
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That must have been one amazing rack…even today, the recollection causes typos.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Seafood sounds good right about now!
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Sure does. I packed a ham and turkey sandwich for lunch and even though I’m hungry, I just don’t wanna eat it. Last night wife made a wonderful homemade bowtie pasta and marinara sauce and broke open a bottle of white wine on the back patio. I have a taste for al-dente now. That cold cut sandwich is just looking at me now.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:51 am
and JFB.. next time you are out this way, you have to hit me up… stop by the compound and drink a few beers and burn mega trees !!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:52 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:51 am
and JFB.. next time you are out this way, you have to hit me up… stop by the compound and drink a few beers and burn mega trees !!
Man, one of these days…I’d have to make a trip to The Compound! Right now it is too cold for my “Rage!!! LOL
January 15th, 2013 at 8:52 am
i hear ya Hwnrdr and Guest.. a nice crabcake sandwich would sure hit the spot !!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Seafood sounds good right about now!
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Sure does. I packed a ham and turkey sandwich for lunch and even though I’m hungry, I just don’t wanna eat it. Last night wife made a wonderful homemade bowtie pasta and marinara sauce and broke open a bottle of white wine on the back patio. I have a taste for al-dente now. That cold cut sandwich is just looking at me now.
LOL…I bet!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 am
# HairyBush Says:
June 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
BTW, what is the record # of posts on one thread for this blog? Just curious this is getting out of control. I need a fix!
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La Milicia Negra Says:
June 29th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I believe its around 2800, so for each post we have a new record, my target is 3700, but why not 4000?
I think we first will get a fix when jerry returns or Al fires Cable ‘for cause’…
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LMN called that one.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Yuck on the seafood. My brother owns a few sushi bars, I have unlimited access to free seafood, and I hate seafood. The only fish I like are… Swedish.
I just had a Mean green juice for lunch so I am happy.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Yuck on the seafood. My brother owns a few sushi bars, I have unlimited access to free seafood, and I hate seafood. The only fish I like are… Swedish.
I just had a Mean green juice for lunch so I am happy.
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Juice? lol
I love Sushi.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Seafood sounds good right about now!
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Always down for seafood. Wife and I got some fresh large Manila clams on Sunday and steamed them that night in olive oil, garlic, beer, fresh cracked pepper and salt of course. Poured it all over some capellini pasta. Incredibly good!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Didn’t know that anyone on mean green juice could be happy shortly afterwards?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:08 am
guest123 Says:
that’s nothing. Ever seen a compound fracture? I have up close, left wrist as a kid. Hand dangling upside down the wrong way.
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Did that to my right ankle July 5, 2001. Stood up, put my foot down and went down. Zero support. Grabbed the fence and stood up again and looked at my foot flopping around like it wasn’t even connected. Doc didn’t say compound fracture, he said shattered. Had to steal some bone from my hip to have something to screw back together. Must have done a good job ’cause I’ve had zero problems with it.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Don’t like seafood? My man, Bcz, just what is the matter with you? Maybe you’ve never had good seafood. Need to eat over at my place sometime.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 am
If my bro owned a sushi bar, I’d still be living in California now for that unlimited gravy train.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Lol, Guest
January 15th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Is that an oxymoron?
Can you “teach” someone something while still breaking a bone?
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apparently not. I was running full speed and she ditched the bike in my path. I hurtled it but came down like diving into a swimming pool, except concrete sidewalk and not water. So I suck as a teacher. I’ll stick to my day job.
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LOL
I hope you get better soon.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:11 am
I have had plenty of seafood my friend, seafood is the family business. I have a mental thing. It all tastes the same to me. I actually can’t even eat canned tuna without gagging anymore. Everyone thinks they can get me to change my mind, but it is never going to happen.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:13 am
LOL
I hope you get better soon.
^^^
thanks O!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Didn’t know that anyone on mean green juice could be happy shortly afterwards?
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I have been juicing for 15 days, never felt better, and I have gone down 2 belt sizes already and 20lbs.
Mean green juice = 5-6 Kale leaves, handful of spinach, a pinch of parsely, half a cucumber, thumb of ginger, a carrot, a celery stalk and a green apple.
I drink 2-3 of those a day, and I do one fruit juice for breakfast. Eat a good dinner and I am all set. The only sh1tty part is lugging my juicer back and forth to work every day. I am going to buy a second one just for the office when I get my bonus next month.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Sushi!!!!!! I did a sushi diet before I got married (can afford such luxuries before a wife and kid). I lost 20+ pounds.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Sounds fairly disgusting. But kudos to you for dropping the weight. I think the kale is the secret ingredient there. If you can mix kale into food, that and omega fish oil and flax. What I don’t get is the green apple mixed with all that.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Didn’t know that anyone on mean green juice could be happy shortly afterwards?
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I have been juicing for 15 days, never felt better, and I have gone down 2 belt sizes already and 20lbs.
Mean green juice = 5-6 Kale leaves, handful of spinach, a pinch of parsely, half a cucumber, thumb of ginger, a carrot, a celery stalk and a green apple.
$$$$$$$$$!$$$$$$!
No wonder you lost 20 pounds. Who wants to eat after that?.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Bcz, is it the raw/cold seafood that you get in sushi that has you bothered? Sushi seafood and Mediterranean prepared seafood (what I’m used to, hot dishes) are different animals.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Bcz.. my stepson is the same as you.
with all the great seafood restaurants and wharfs around here its a shame !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:21 am
bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Didn’t know that anyone on mean green juice could be happy shortly afterwards?
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I have been juicing for 15 days, never felt better, and I have gone down 2 belt sizes already and 20lbs.
Mean green juice = 5-6 Kale leaves, handful of spinach, a pinch of parsely, half a cucumber, thumb of ginger, a carrot, a celery stalk and a green apple.
I drink 2-3 of those a day, and I do one fruit juice for breakfast. Eat a good dinner and I am all set. The only sh1tty part is lugging my juicer back and forth to work every day. I am going to buy a second one just for the office when I get my bonus next month.
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??? can you add a few shots of rum with that ???
January 15th, 2013 at 9:21 am
My diet trick is eating red grapefruit wedges in a cup. You can buy them in boxes at Sams club. Tastes so bitter, afterwards you drink water and it tastes sweet. No need for afternoon sweet snacks. You trick your tongue into being satisfied. But it requires lots and lots of water.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:23 am
But good on you for the juicing.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am
my diet trick is to get hella high and hella drunk.
pass out for 6 to 8 hours !! no food needed at all !!
you wont lose much weight, but who cares !! lol lol lol
January 15th, 2013 at 9:28 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Seafood sounds good right about now!
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Always down for seafood. Wife and I got some fresh large Manila clams on Sunday and steamed them that night in olive oil, garlic, beer, fresh cracked pepper and salt of course. Poured it all over some capellini pasta. Incredibly good!
Yum! Man i am getting hungry now!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Lol, Mike. Most the stoners I knew were very skinny.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am
LOL ODB but that doesn’t work for me. I suffer from Sleepeating.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Que onda fiesta verde?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 am
lol .. i am far from being skinny !!
i like me some munchies !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Que onda fiesta verde?
What’s up DMAC?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Mr.President !!! good of you to join us !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am
642.guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Sounds fairly disgusting. But kudos to you for dropping the weight. I think the kale is the secret ingredient there. If you can mix kale into food, that and omega fish oil and flax. What I don’t get is the green apple mixed with all that.
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Green apple sweetens it up a little, and has a good water content. Also apples are very nutritious. If anyone is interested in juicing, I encourage you to check out the documentary Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Que onda fiesta verde?
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q?
I think you mean ‘partido verde’ right?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Good Morning Mr. Prez.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
ODB
Where the fk have u been brother?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
The Green party familia is in full effect this morning.Thats wassup!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
?? sleepeating ??
lol maybe thats my problem too….smoke up and drink up..passout and not know i am raiding the frige !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Q-bo DMAC
January 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
644.The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Bcz, is it the raw/cold seafood that you get in sushi that has you bothered? Sushi seafood and Mediterranean prepared seafood (what I’m used to, hot dishes) are different animals.
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Sushi isn’t all raw seafood. Sushi literally translates to ‘vinegared rice’. It doesn’t matter if it is cooked, or raw. Shrimp, lobster, clams, fish fry… none of it.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
I have been juicing for 15 days, never felt better, and I have gone down 2 belt sizes already and 20lbs.
Mean green juice = 5-6 Kale leaves, handful of spinach, a pinch of parsely, half a cucumber, thumb of ginger, a carrot, a celery stalk and a green apple.
I drink 2-3 of those a day, and I do one fruit juice for breakfast. Eat a good dinner and I am all set. The only sh1tty part is lugging my juicer back and forth to work every day. I am going to buy a second one just for the office when I get my bonus next month.
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It is super healthy and does make you feel good. You just better have a job where a toilet is close by!
The bowels are a moving haha
January 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am
You want to lose weight?
Stop eating so god damn late!
Drink lots of water!
Cut down on the bread!
And smoke hella weed!!
Worked for me. I’ve lost about 20+ lbs
January 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Que onda Guest
Esos putos niners tienen que perder este fin de semana!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
ODB
Where the fk have u been brother?
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been here on and off. been busy as he11 thou.
bad weather here brings out the bad drivers…. bad drivers wreck their sh1t….i make bank on bad drivers !!!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am
It is super healthy and does make you feel good. You just better have a job where a toilet is close by!
The bowels are a moving haha
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I started the first week of the year, I was on vacation from work so I could allow my body time to adjust and flush out the intestines. I don’t have any pooping issues anymore.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Esos putos niners tienen que perder este fin de semana!!!
^^^^^^^^
jajaja!
no creo. anque son bien bien putos van a ganar los 49ers.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
ODB
Where the fk have u been brother?
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been here on and off. been busy as he11 thou.
bad weather here brings out the bad drivers…. bad drivers wreck their sh1t….i make bank on bad drivers !!!
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Get that dough ODB
I aint mad
January 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Esos putos niners tienen que perder este fin de semana!!!
^^^^^^^^
jajaja!
no creo. anque son bien bien putos van a ganar los 49ers.
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Bien putotes!
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am
So i heard the Dischargers have their new HC?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:43 am
- Hire Ray Anderson
OC – Marc Trestman
OL – Juan Castillo
LB – Billy Davis
ST – Alan Lowry
- Free Agents:
WR – Jordan Shipley
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
ILB – Larry Grant
DT – Justin Bannan
CB – Glover Quin
RT – Jeff Otah
- Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Terron Armstrong [OT, Ark-PB]
- Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Barrett Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Corey Lemonier [DE/OLB, Auburn]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT/DE, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
January 15th, 2013 at 9:43 am
DA needs to bring in Murlarkey for an interview
January 15th, 2013 at 9:44 am
ODB,
It’s true. I open my eyes for a few secs to eat something and go back to sleep.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says: Sushi!!!!!! I did a sushi diet before I got married (can afford such luxuries before a wife and kid). I lost 20+ pounds.
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Sounds like bcz24 would lose some weight on that diet, also.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am
bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am
It is super healthy and does make you feel good. You just better have a job where a toilet is close by!
The bowels are a moving haha
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I started the first week of the year, I was on vacation from work so I could allow my body time to adjust and flush out the intestines. I don’t have any pooping issues anymore.
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No issues after a week?
that’s good to know.
I like to eat healthy it’s the having to deuce all the time when I eat a lot of fiber that is an issue. Maybe my body just needs to time to adjust.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Why is the wife of Lance’s former teammate speaking about lance on ESPN?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
R8ER MIKE Says: my diet trick is to get hella high and hella drunk.
pass out for 6 to 8 hours !! no food needed at all !!
you wont lose much weight, but who cares !! lol lol lol
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Or try the valium diet. Doesn’t supress your appetite, but most of your food ends up on the floor.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
LOL Llama man.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
I’m glad I’m not choppin’ it up w/ them fools in the next post!
Me stay here!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
644.The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Bcz, is it the raw/cold seafood that you get in sushi that has you bothered? Sushi seafood and Mediterranean prepared seafood (what I’m used to, hot dishes) are different animals.
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Sushi isn’t all raw seafood. Sushi literally translates to ‘vinegared rice’. It doesn’t matter if it is cooked, or raw. Shrimp, lobster, clams, fish fry… none of it.
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Yep, I understand all that, Bcz. I’ve eaten plenty of sushi. What I was saying is its typically raw or indeed cooked, but mostly served cold or lukewarm in either case, and served as a single piece all by itself and not as part of a larger dish.. It’s all good. You don’t like seafood, a serious flaw I am willing to overlook.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Sushi is fkn nasty!
I rather eat fresh p*ssy!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:56 am
lol Purvisman !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Sushi is fkn nasty!
I rather eat fresh p*ssy!
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that goes without saying brother !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says: I’m glad I’m not choppin’ it up w/ them fools in the next post!
Me stay here!
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It’s close to mistic/dr_rob time anyway. They’re so self absorbed they never realize 3/4s of theit audience isn’t there.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Lol, Purvis 687. So true…
January 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am
You want to lose weight?
Stop eating so god damn late!
Drink lots of water!
Cut down on the bread!
And smoke hella weed!!
Worked for me. I’ve lost about 20+ lbs
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can i substitute beer for the water ??
dont like to drink water.. fish sh1t and fuk in it !!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
You tricky mobile guys and your refreshing problems..:)
January 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
513.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:39 am
I know I am about the only one in here who thinks so, but I like the Falcons this weekend.
And if they did win, how impressive would it be to beat the #1 then the #2 scoring defenses on the way to the Super Bowl?
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I like ‘em too, JFB. That win against the Seahawks was the type of win that gets teams over the hump.
Mike Nolan is no fool, and they are at home. I think they win.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Eff your diet I love bread and other carbs (rice, pasta)
January 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Saint McGiver!!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:37 am
You want to lose weight?
Stop eating so god damn late!
Drink lots of water!
Cut down on the bread!
And smoke hella weed!!
Worked for me. I’ve lost about 20+ lbs
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can i substitute beer for the water ??
dont like to drink water.. fish sh1t and fuk in it !!
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You need that good H20 brother!
Can the beer wait till’ the weekend?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
can i substitute beer for the water ??
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Sure. Gotta cut out half your food intake to offset the increased calories, but it works out fine. Trust me.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Eff your diet I love bread and other carbs (rice, pasta)
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Only the strong survive!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
It’s not a meal if it doesn’t have bread, rice, pasta, or all 3 together.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
still no new post? You guys really suck the fattest part of dìck…
January 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
It’s not a meal if it doesn’t have bread, rice, pasta, or all 3 together.
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Take it easy pan Bimbo man!
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Thanks for the heads up O! Thought it was a little slow in here this morning.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Marks hair Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
still no new post? You guys really suck the fattest part of dìck…
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Say that again?
You might want to pull it out now, so we can understand what your trying to say
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
DMAC,
LOL
I’m hungry bro.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:07 am
bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am
It is super healthy and does make you feel good. You just better have a job where a toilet is close by!
The bowels are a moving haha
*******************
I started the first week of the year, I was on vacation from work so I could allow my body time to adjust and flush out the intestines. I don’t have any pooping issues anymore.
——————-
No issues after a week?
that’s good to know.
I like to eat healthy it’s the having to deuce all the time when I eat a lot of fiber that is an issue. Maybe my body just needs to time to adjust
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I use the NUTRI_BULLET and love it…feel better- more energy-more regular-skin cleaner…screw doctors…theyre just big pharma crooks!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Thanks for the heads up O! Thought it was a little slow in here this morning.
$$$$$$$$$$$
No problem Saint McGiver. You, Charlie, and 99 are good posters.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
DMAC,
LOL
I’m hungry bro.
Dammit, me too! Pork chops in 23 minutes…lol
And my wife just told me to bbq a steak tonight! YAY! just in time for a darn root canal tomorrow at noon!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
I use the NUTRI_BULLET and love it…feel better- more energy-more regular-skin cleaner…screw doctors…theyre just big pharma crooks!
Yup, one of the best investments I made last year!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:07 am
bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am
It is super healthy and does make you feel good. You just better have a job where a toilet is close by!
The bowels are a moving haha
*******************
I started the first week of the year, I was on vacation from work so I could allow my body time to adjust and flush out the intestines. I don’t have any pooping issues anymore.
——————-
No issues after a week?
that’s good to know.
I like to eat healthy it’s the having to deuce all the time when I eat a lot of fiber that is an issue. Maybe my body just needs to time to adjust
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I use the NUTRI_BULLET and love it…feel better- more energy-more regular-skin cleaner…screw doctors…theyre just big pharma crooks!
$$$$$$$$$$$
You and Bcz should be part of their infomercial.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
trade Pryor and Briesel or whatever his name is for Flynn.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am
January 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
can i substitute beer for the water ??
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Sure. Gotta cut out half your food intake to offset the increased calories, but it works out fine. Trust me.
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well fuk…. guess i am just going to be fat !!!!
well not fat .. i am “husky” lol lol !!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Hwnrdr,
Enjoy bro and good luck tomorrow.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
It’s not a meal if it doesn’t have bread, rice, pasta, or all 3 together.
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You would fit in very nicely with my family.
I eat those things and I’m fit. I just try to stay away from sugar and all artificial crap. Eat a balanced organic meal, stop when you’re full, drink water or wine, and mix in some exercise. I still eat fat, carbs, dairy, and sweets, all in moderation, and mostly homemade with quality ingredients.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I saw Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead documentary last year. Really changed my perception about juicing. I mean, from that crazy old guy that Jim Carrey parodied!!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
It’s like a cooking show in here today, lol.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Let’s move on from Trestman. Heavy favorite for Bears job. He spent ALL DAY at Halas Hall (by reports)yesterday.
I’m hoping it’s not Martz. Martz announced he was “retiring” from football after the Bears debacle and I think he’s just trying to milk another paycheck and his heart isn’t really in it to the extent we need it to be. That’s just my opinion.
Then again, you could say that after a year off he’s pumped up and revitilized and ready to prove the NFL and the Bears were wrong about him.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
If not Trestman, and not Martz…who?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
You would fit in very nicely with my family.
I eat those things and I’m fit. I just try to stay away from sugar and all artificial crap. Eat a balanced organic meal, stop when you’re full, drink water or wine, and mix in some exercise. I still eat fat, carbs, dairy, and sweets, all in moderation, and mostly homemade with quality ingredients.
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Exactly.
Let me guess… Italians, Greeks, or Arabs?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
I wonder how appealing the Bears job really is. Cutler is a pain in the wazoo and really not as good as everyone likes to think he is.
Statistically Palmer is much better..not just career wise going back to Cincy good days but even as recent as last yr.
If I were a prospective HC I would cringe at the thought of having to work with Cutler.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
715.hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
If not Trestman, and not Martz…who?
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THAT is a good question.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
You’re close, O. Go west into Iberia. I have Moorish ancestry.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:21 am
712.SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I saw Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead documentary last year. Really changed my perception about juicing. I mean, from that crazy old guy that Jim Carrey parodied!!
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Meaning you think juicing is the way to go?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Hwnrdr,
Enjoy bro and good luck tomorrow.
Thanks O!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
darn root canal tomorrow at noon
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That’s a good three day diet, too.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Back-n-Black Says:
trade Pryor and Briesel or whatever his name is for Flynn.
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With any luck, Miss Tick will follow.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:23 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
You’re close, O. Go west into Iberia. I have Moorish ancestry.
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Salam my brother.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
708.Back-n-Black Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
trade Pryor and Briesel or whatever his name is for Flynn.
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…and have Flynn start? If so, and we let Palmer go we will take a huge cap hit, and what kind of salary will Flynn demand? He’s at 10 mill right now I believe.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:56 am
# HairyBush Says:
June 29th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
BTW, what is the record # of posts on one thread for this blog? Just curious this is getting out of control. I need a fix!
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La Milicia Negra Says:
June 29th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
I believe its around 2800, so for each post we have a new record, my target is 3700, but why not 4000?
I think we first will get a fix when jerry returns or Al fires Cable ‘for cause’…
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LMN called that one.
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But with this “going to the prev post” idea we´ll never know if the posters break the record.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
darn root canal tomorrow at noon
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That’s a good three day diet, too.
LOL, I agree!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Is Rod Marinelli in play to be the defensive coordinator for the yet-to-be-named new head coach of the #Bears
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Possibly. Nothing is set at all here as the decision has yet to be made on the head coach. But a source said that candidates Darrell Bevell and
**Marc Trestman**
are both at least open to the option of retaining Marinelli and perhaps some additional members of the defensive staff. It’s not known if Bruce Arians is thinking the same way and it can’t be ruled out.
General manager Phil Emery was clear that he planned on letting his new head coach do what they considered was best. Some believe a clean break from the previous regime is the best move to make. Others like the idea of maintaining continuity – as best as possible – for a defense that has played at a high level. But the defense will not be the same without Lovie Smith, the man who ran the show on that side of the ball.
It will be interesting to see what happens and no doubt the assistants that remain under contract to the Bears are anxious to see what shakes out
January 15th, 2013 at 10:25 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
If not Trestman, and not Martz…who?
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Murlarkey
January 15th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Was that salaam or salami?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
OK, both spellings acceptable. My bad.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Much better atmosphere on these posts…
The other one is like being at funeral….
January 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
But salami’s good,too.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:28 am
712.SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I saw Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead documentary last year. Really changed my perception about juicing. I mean, from that crazy old guy that Jim Carrey parodied!!
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You should check out FOOD MATTERS too….very insightful like this blog…haha!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:28 am
theyre just big pharma crooks!
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truth
January 15th, 2013 at 10:28 am
I gave up soda pop and fast food last year. Cold turkey. It’s been a solid year now and I don’t miss it. Can’t pay me to drink a coke and won’t eat anything you can order thru a drive thru window. Just up and decided I had enough. Now the smell of it when someone packs it and takes to work fairly nauseates me. And I have saved a lot of money over a year’s time as well.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
DJ Johnny Says:
712.SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
I saw Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead documentary last year. Really changed my perception about juicing. I mean, from that crazy old guy that Jim Carrey parodied!!
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Meaning you think juicing is the way to go?
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I suppose it depends on your own goals. Juicing is a supercharged shot of exactly what your body needs to perform it’s functions at peak effeciency. The end of the documentary basic comes back to eating healthy, having restraint and making sound choices. Moderation is the key in everything we do.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Seattle is so set it’s ridiculous.
They have 10 picks coming up in the draft, and their QB is set for awhile. Is it going too far to call Russell Wilson “elite” at this point?
Also, if they get rid of their backup QB (Flynn) they save another 10 mill they can use to beef up other areas.
The only hope that anyone has of Seattle going backward is if defenses “figure out” Wilson. Otherwise they should be loaded for awhile.
I am not certain of their cap situation though, but it sure must be nice to have a franchise QB fall into their lap.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Llama man,
I like both. Lol
January 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am
….except sex!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Seattle isn’t strapped by Flynn’s salary so much that have to move him. With Wilson on a rookie contract for at least another two seasons (before he can renegotiate his contract), the overall expense to Seattle’s quarterback position is still reasonably affordable. That being said, backup quarterbacks aren’t usually paid $7.25 million either, which is what Flynn is due in 2013 (although only $2 million is guaranteed).
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PER PFT!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Flynn has some trade value even if they have to eat some of his salary. The defense is furious. Wilson is for real. I like his game and instincts better than RG3. They need some WR’s but they have a lot of picks. I’m surprised they lost to ATL. They should have ran more clock before going ahead. A couple of weak QB sneaks would have milked the clock. Would have been fun to see them in the SB vs the cheatriots.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am
SaintKaufman Says:
Moderation is the key in everything we do.
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“To get the full flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks”
Excerpt from the notebook of Lazarus Long
January 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am
With another one of those famous “You mad bro” pics from Richard Sherman! LOL
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I’m still of the mind that if Houston loses another 10-15 lbs and stays at end he would be even more effective…especially with B.Mingo on the other side with Bryant and rookie huge NT in middle…..
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Seattle is so set it’s ridiculous.
They have 10 picks coming up in the draft, and their QB is set for awhile. Is it going too far to call Russell Wilson “elite” at this point?
Also, if they get rid of their backup QB (Flynn) they save another 10 mill they can use to beef up other areas.
The only hope that anyone has of Seattle going backward is if defenses “figure out” Wilson. Otherwise they should be loaded for awhile.
I am not certain of their cap situation though, but it sure must be nice to have a franchise QB fall into their lap.
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OR.. if they hire Knapp or Chuck B. !! lol lol
January 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I’m still of the mind that if Houston loses another 10-15 lbs and stays at end he would be even more effective…especially with B.Mingo on the other side with Bryant and rookie huge NT in middle…..
$$$$$$$$$$$$
If he loses more weight, he will become less effective inside, and he will lose his versatility.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am
SaintKaufman Says:
Moderation is the key in everything we do.
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“To get the full flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks”
Excerpt from the notebook of Lazarus Long
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I used to live by this creed intrepid. Only cost me about 20 years and made life much harder than it should have been.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am
746,
Lol Raider Mike.
I think they’re smarter than that. It’d be funny though.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I’m still of the mind that if Houston loses another 10-15 lbs and stays at end he would be even more effective…especially with B.Mingo on the other side with Bryant and rookie huge NT in middle…..
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I like….
LDE – Sho nasty
DTs – Houston, Bryant
RDE – D. Moore/Mingo
January 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am
LOL ODB.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:47 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Seattle is so set it’s ridiculous.
They have 10 picks coming up in the draft, and their QB is set for awhile
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Would Seattle be a good trading partner? (Yo DAV?)
“We need another pass rusher,” Carroll said, according to the Tacoma News-Tribune. “We really do. That’s why we went out and got Jason (Jones) last year. And we’re going to have to double it up. We need a couple of guys.
Carroll says that a Pass Rusher is a priority, couldn’t they get a pretty good pass rusher @#3? Seems like it is worth it for Seattle…
Wonder what Reggie thinks of Matt Flynn?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Wonder what Reggie thinks of Matt Flynn?
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If I never live to see another LSU QB in Silver and Black, I will have lived a meaningful life.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am
I think the Raiders should draft Star Lotulelei with Seymour on his way out and Kelly being cut in order to free up some much needed cap space!
Who else do we have for DT’s?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Matt Flynn…one great shootout game against Detroit, gets big FA to go to Seattle, gets beat out by Wilson…not sure if I want Flynn in S&B
January 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am
If Flynn couldn’t get it done in Seattle, what makes you think he can do something here?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am
And not sure if Flynn is willing to leave Seattle to be another back up
January 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am
R8
750^^^^^^
January 15th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Matt Flynn…one great shootout game against Detroit, gets big FA to go to Seattle, gets beat out by Wilson…not sure if I want Flynn in S&B
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Thank you.
Lets develop TP, and he can compete for for the backup position. I think he will be our backup next year, and who knows…
TP!!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Sorry, not advocating for a trade for Flynn at all…should have broken up the posts. Too many holes to fill on the team to worry about QB when we have CP and TP…
January 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am
747.Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I’m still of the mind that if Houston loses another 10-15 lbs and stays at end he would be even more effective…especially with B.Mingo on the other side with Bryant and rookie huge NT in middle…..
$$$$$$$$$$$$
If he loses more weight, he will become less effective inside, and he will lose his versatility.
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Maybe have shonasty add 10-15 lbs and utilize him some inside….hes become worthless outside anyways….
January 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Give CP3 1 more year and let TP6 be the back up. Take the training wheels off for the 2014 season.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Just seems “someone” is going to trade for Flynn. Would think his stock is down this year compared to last year.
Was actually thinking Chiefs would be a suitor for Flynn.
Matt Cassell 2.0?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am
747.Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I’m still of the mind that if Houston loses another 10-15 lbs and stays at end he would be even more effective…especially with B.Mingo on the other side with Bryant and rookie huge NT in middle…..
$$$$$$$$$$$$
If he loses more weight, he will become less effective inside, and he will lose his versatility.
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Maybe have shonasty add 10-15 lbs and utilize him some inside….hes become worthless outside anyways….
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If anything Shonasty can hold the edge.
He should be playing LDE and not RDE
He’ll be a cheap signing
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
shaunessy was at his best when Trevor Scott rotated in for pass rush.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Give CP3 1 more year and let TP6 be the back up. Take the training wheels off for the 2014 season.
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Well said my brother from another mother aka Mr. Prez.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Trade down, draft Warmack.
Draft a WR with pick #2.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
If anything Shonasty can hold the edge.
He should be playing LDE and not RDE
He’ll be a cheap signing
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
Mr. Prez knows best!
Vote Green in 2016!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Trade down, draft Warmack.
Draft a WR with pick #2.
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Hell to the no J Heezy!!
No more young unproven WR’s. They too long to develop.
Sign a vet #1 receiver.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Put Dwyane Bowe and a 2nd rd WR with Streater and Ford, and Palmer would be a top 10 QB.
Pryor wouldn’t see the field for 4 years or so.
Wonder if Cleveland would trade a #1 to bring him back home?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
If anything Shonasty can hold the edge.
He should be playing LDE and not RDE
He’ll be a cheap signing
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
Mr. Prez knows best!
Vote Green in 2016!
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Puff puff pass!
Vote green suckas!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Put Dwyane Bowe and a 2nd rd WR with Streater and Ford, and Palmer would be a top 10 QB.
Pryor wouldn’t see the field for 4 years or so.
Wonder if Cleveland would trade a #1 to bring him back home?
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And then we’ll go on the avg 35 points a game, but give up 42 on the D.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:04 am
No more young unproven WR’s. They too long to develop.
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You must have DHBitis
January 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Trade down, draft Warmack.
Draft a WR with pick #2.
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Who needs Pass rushers and CBs? NTs are overrated too? lol
You are killing me dude.
Since we have a few young WRs, why not sign a solid vet, and draft pass rushers since its not a good year for WRs?
I agree that we need help on offense too, but we still have CP, DMC, and Reece. We have no impact players on defense.
IMHO, Reece can be an impact player, if we use him right. He can be our A Hernandez/ Pats.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am
but give up 42 on the D.
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To the Patriots, or any of these top offenses, yes we might. Just like the other top defenses like Houston, Denver, Baltimore, etc did these past couple of weeks.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
I agree that we need help on offense too,
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No you don’t.
All we need is a corner.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:09 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Put Dwyane Bowe and a 2nd rd WR with Streater and Ford, and Palmer would be a top 10 QB.
Pryor wouldn’t see the field for 4 years or so.
Wonder if Cleveland would trade a #1 to bring him back home?
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We don’t have a 2nd (assuming you mean with trade down), but I’m surprised you are willing to invest a 2nd round pick in a WR with Bowe, Moore, Streater, and Ford on the roster.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
I agree that we need help on offense too,
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No you don’t.
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LOL
You sound like my Wife.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:15 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:04 am
No more young unproven WR’s. They too long to develop.
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You must have DHBitis
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And the…
Mooritis
crineritis
Forditis
Streateritis
January 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am
767.J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Trade down, draft Warmack.
Draft a WR with pick #2.
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How far would you trade down if the offers kept coming…?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am
I really only believe in Streater, O.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:17 am
How far would you trade down if the offers kept coming…?
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Teens, depending on the offers.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Later Gents.
Vote Green in 2016!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:21 am
My dream scenario, O.
Trade back to 8′ish. Pick up a 2nd rd pick in the process.
Trade Pryor to Cleveland for their #1 or Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
Draft Warmack at 8′ish.
Draft a RDE/OLB with the other #1
Draft a WR with the 2nd rd pick.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:23 am
J Heezy
I don’t think we’ll be drafting any Wr’s
January 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am
The only college WR I want won’t be ready until a few more years.
Cooper from Bama
January 15th, 2013 at 11:26 am
784.J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:21 am
My dream scenario, O.
Trade back to 8′ish. Pick up a 2nd rd pick in the process.
Trade Pryor to Cleveland for their #1 or Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
Draft Warmack at 8′ish.
Draft a RDE/OLB with the other #1
Draft a WR with the 2nd rd pick.
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Im thinking moving back 5 spots would net both our lost picks….Moving DMAC if it happens might mean an additional mid-rd pick….I wouldnt mind landin Zach Ertz either…..Myers isnt that good.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Reggie!!!
Pick up the phone and see what Channing Crowder is up 2 these days.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:28 am
If we get our 5th rd pick back I would use it in a second on Ace Sanders from South Carolina….punt/kick return problems solved….Trindan Holliday 2.0….and can play slot!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Seattle is so set it’s ridiculous.
They have 10 picks coming up in the draft, and their QB is set for awhile. Is it going too far to call Russell Wilson “elite” at this point?
Also, if they get rid of their backup QB (Flynn) they save another 10 mill they can use to beef up other areas.
The only hope that anyone has of Seattle going backward is if defenses “figure out” Wilson. Otherwise they should be loaded for awhile.
I am not certain of their cap situation though, but it sure must be nice to have a franchise QB fall into their lap.
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called good drafting. didn’t fall into lap, they picked him. kaep didn’t fall into whiners lap, they moved up and drafted him. we drafted dhb. we drafted russell. nuff said
January 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Bring back Jacoby Ford
Strictly for special teams
January 15th, 2013 at 11:30 am
It was Seymour who said Matt Shaughnessy was on his way to becoming one of the elite run-defending defensive ends in the game but Shaughnessy still seemed slowed by the shoulder injury that limited him to three games in 2011.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…….
January 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
I heard someone say to draft Geno and let Pryor back him up… Huh???
January 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Hawaiian, where…on Twitter?
Lol
January 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Damn
I just read that Stanford Shane Skov is returning as 5th year senior.
Dude is a mean LB w/ a high motor.
Would of to see Reggie draft him.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Chase Thomas anyone?
Him and Skov ball at Stanford.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:45 am
How come to one told me there was a new post over there?
Peace!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:45 am
new post
January 15th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
July 2005