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Raiders interview Martz for off. coord. vacancy

By Steve Corkran
Saturday, January 12th, 2013 at 2:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders interviewed Mike Martz for their offensive coordinator vacancy in an attempt to find an upgrade over the fired Greg Knapp, a person familiar with the situation said.
They also spoke with Juan Castillo about the prospect of taking over for fired offensive line coach Frank Pollack.
To this point, the Raiders have not released any information about their search for replacements for Knapp, Pollack, special teams coordinator Steve Hoffman and linebackers coach Johnny Holland.
All four were fired the day after the Raiders completed a 4-12 season, their 10th straight season without a winning record.
Martz last worked in the league as the Chicago Bears offensive coordinator in 2011. He was fired after a two-year stint. He was the 49ers offensive coordinator in 2008 and served in the same capacity for the Detroit Lions in 2006-07.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said in his year-end news conference that he isn’t in a hurry to find an offensive coordinator.
“I don’t have a time frame for getting somebody in,” Allen said. “I want to make sure we get the right guy, and however long that takes for us to get the right guy, that’s how long that that takes.”
Allen also said he isn’t averse to working with an offensive coordinator that has experience as a head coach. Martz coached the Rams from 2000-05 and solidified his reputation as a guy that can get the most out of his offense.
“I’ll be comfortable with a guy I feel like gives us the best chance to be successful in all areas,” Allen said.
Under Knapp this season, the Raiders struggled establishing a consistent running attack and scoring points.
Pollack and Knapp came under fire for their implementation of the zone-blocking scheme upon their arrival last offseason.
Castillo was the Eagles offensive line coach for 13 seasons before then-coach Andy Reid promoted him to defensive coordinator before the 2011 season. The move backfired and resulted in the Eagles firing Castillo in October of this season.

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  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    The Chicago Tribune’s Vaughn McClure has been told Marc Trestman is the “heavy favorite” for the Bears head-coaching vacancy.
    McClure said earlier on Monday evening that he would “not be surprised if Trestman was the last man standing,” so this takes it a step further. McClure’s colleague, David Haugh, reports that Trestman and Seahawks OC Darrell Bevell are the only two that will be brought back for follow-up interviews while the Chicago Sun-Times reports that Bruce Arians is a third finalist. FOX NFL Sunday analyst Jimmy Johnson tweeted on Friday that it “looks like” Trestman was going to get the job in Chicago.

  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    Seattle is looking for a Wilson-light type backup QB and are willing to trade Flynn.

    Raiders should see what kind of package they could come up with to send Pryor to Seattle for Flynn.

    Then have Flynn and Palmer compete for starting job.

  • boss01

    3100.Back-n-Black Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 6:34 am
    According to CBS’ Jason La Canfora, the Chargers are “nearing a deal” to make Mike McCoy their head coach.
    McCoy, who has spent the last four seasons as the Broncos’ offensive coordinator, knows the Chargers’ personnel well after facing them twice a season. It’s a no-brainer to choose Philip Rivers over the woeful quarterback situations in Jacksonville and Arizona. La Canfora says it “looks like” the deal will be finalized today — meaning Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians is still on the market. It also means Cardinals defensive coordinator Ray Horton is in the lead to fill Ken Whisenhunt’s old shoes.

    =====
    Just became official, McCoy HC of Dolts

  • hwnrdr

    Hey guys….come over to the last post…Woodson grew up….

  • RaiderSam

    Boss01 Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 7:11 am
    2221.Raider-in-PA Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 6:26 am
    From those stats (#2218), looks like Saunders is the guy for the job…

    One thing is clear no matter who the OC is: We MUST improve our OL!!

    The folks acorss the bay have absolute BEASTS on their OL..

    ========

    I would not look at any stats past 2010. Mularkey and Norv have put up the most points since 2010.

    ===================

    Norv is at Cleveland

    unclear whether Mularkey is coming here…i never liked how he bailed on Buffalo

    @Boss01 – Chargers expected to name McCoy the head coach soon….the good thing is he already has an offense equal with a younger QB Phillip Rivers – and the Chargers always had Peyton Manning’s number…

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/15/report-chargers-expected-to-hire-mike-mccoy-as-head-coach-today/

  • Charlie

    GG

    Interesting article.

    I disagree a bit that a DE is as important as a DT.
    A DT can bring face pressure which is just as important as edge pressure and can slow down the inside run game making your MLB that much better (See Ngata/Lewis).

    Teo is an example of what happens when your Dline gets pounded during the BCS title game. Good backers disappear.

    For that reason I go with DT (if a can’t miss is available at 3) then DE in the third round then CB. That does nothing for the Oline this year leaving a huge whole with Barnes.

    Ideally we could trade down (only if we get a second rounder).Then it could go something like OT, DT, DE, CB.

    The lack of picks and cap issues is why I have said 2014 is the more realistic time frame of having our big wholes addressed. ASSUMING WE NAIL OUR HIGH ROUND PICKS.

  • gangosix

    morning all,well i dont like the idea of getting rid of pryor before camp opens,pryor needs a legit chance for the starting spot,we cannot go through another season of palmer,hes proved his best years are behind him,his record shows that,and his feet show that,he still throws interceptions at the worst times and cannot extend a play,palmer balongs on the bench as a backup/mentor to pryor and collin klein(hopefully drafted in the 6th)

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Priesttj12 Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    Seymour Bush

    Go back and watch Palmers first action without chemistry with the rec’s and see who played better. he threw 3 picks and one was a pick6 he played horrible for his first 3 games learning his teammates and the offense yet he was experienced.

    YOU expect a basic rookie getting his first start to be sharp and on point. That is the problem I have with all you guys it’s a double standard when the QB is black

    =====
    This is an appples to winnebagos comparison.

    In the game you cite, Palmer did not start. He had all of 3 days to build team chemistry and learn the plays. He entered a game when the team was already far behind against a defense pinning it’s ears back to rush the passer on every play.

    In Pryor’s first action he came into the game and failed in the red zone. In his next action he did it again. That’s 0 for 2.

    In Palmer’s first start for the Raiders he threw for 332 yards, 3 TDs, 54.3 percent completions and 3 ints. That was with all of two weeks to learn the offense and his teammates. That was against a very good Broncos defense in the middle of the season when the games counted the most.

    In Pryor’s first start, he had a full preseason plus 15 weeks to prepare. He played against a defense that had nothing to play for except not getting injiured against a team that already knew their coach was getting fired. And he still was horrible until the game was well out of hand.

  • gangosix

    some people here must like going 4-12

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Back-n-Black Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 6:43 am
    Seattle is looking for a Wilson-light type backup QB and are willing to trade Flynn.

    Raiders should see what kind of package they could come up with to send Pryor to Seattle for Flynn.

    Then have Flynn and Palmer compete for starting job.

    =====

    That’s actually pretty brilliant. It makes no sense to try and build a system the works for two completely different types of QBs. Better if your starter and backup are similar styles where you can just drop the backup in without changing as much — except the level of talent. Otherwise, you’re askingthe other 10 positions on offense to have to lean a lot more playbook, watering down the time you get to study and practice each system.

    Leinhart as the backup was exactly that, although the talent level was certainly too low.

    While I’m not sold on Flynn, he did show that in a good system that is around his style he can do well. And it’s clear that Reggie is a fan of that same GB WCO approach. I could see this working. The problem is that Flynn has two more years left on his contract at between 5-6 million each year. That’s way too high for a backup. I could see some sort of package deal where the Raiders added one of their high contract players like Kelly to the deal in exchange for a solid replacement that is cheaper. In this way, each team moves a cap burden and keeps things relatively equal.

  • Charlie

    Palmer starts. Pryor is the number two.
    We will pick up a free agent QB out of the Patriot League (John Skelton type) or some other FCS school for number three.

    We have far bigger problems than QB on the Raiders.

    DT or OT,DE and secondary in that order to be specific.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Speaking of FA QBs, the Matt Flynn of 2013 — as in the backup QB that will get the biggest deal on the open market — is going to be Chase Daniel from the Saints. The guy is a Brees clone. An undersized pocket passer that just seems to make all the throws. When Brees was holding out Daniel got a nice center stage audition in front of the league and move the Saints offense well. If anything, it was a better showing than Flynn had.

    Word is that the Saints really don’t want to lose him. Whether they can afford to keep him is another story. Predictions for who will pay a hefty amount for him? Arizona or KC are two likely teams.

  • realtruraider

    RaidO Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
    Gets no first string reps and plays pretty damn good.
    ============================================

    He was on the team for a year and a half, and went 8/22 for 79 yards when it mattered. That’s a 36% completion rate. No one has had that bad a completion rate, because they would have been yanked. But You concentate on what he did when it didn’t matter. I concentrate on what he did when it did matter. And he sucked.
    ———————————————

    You are not a Raider fan. It’s not all about stats.

    ——————————————————-

    For all the “haters” talkin down on Pryor and that like to put alot of stock into stats, here some stats for ya. I bet ya’ll love Luck right?

    WEEK 17
    Luck – 14/28 191 50% 2TDs 72.8QBR

    Pryor – 13/28 150 46.4% 2tds 71.2 QBR

    Alright Im not tryin to say Pryor is near the passer that Luck is at this point, but this was Lucks 16th start in the NFL and he was the starter since camp, this was Pryors 1st start and had a week with starters. Lets give him another year behind Palmer (cuz Palmer aint goin anywhere with the way his contract is) and then see how he has come along the next season. I think we might have something with Pryor and I have a feeling the new regime feels the same way, that they have somethin to work with here.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Zymurge Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 8:07 am

    Priesttj12 Says:
    January 14th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
    Seymour Bush

    Go back and watch Palmers first action without chemistry with the rec’s and see who played better. he threw 3 picks and one was a pick6 he played horrible for his first 3 games learning his teammates and the offense yet he was experienced.

    YOU expect a basic rookie getting his first start to be sharp and on point. That is the problem I have with all you guys it’s a double standard when the QB is black

    =====
    This is an appples to winnebagos comparison.

    In the game you cite, Palmer did not start. He had all of 3 days to build team chemistry and learn the plays. He entered a game when the team was already far behind against a defense pinning it’s ears back to rush the passer on every play.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You are totally correct Zymurge.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Man, I am fuk’n tired of reading Jerry and Corks tweets just to see if there is anything on Raider interviews.

    How about some background, how about a post?.. Cork?….Jerry…?

  • Gdog

    This again? Palmer vs Pryor? Ok.. this saves me some time. I think this is very simple:

    -The people in the Palmer camp want our starting QB to be decided by merit.

    -The people in the Pryor camp want our starting QB to be decided by skin color.

    Does this about settle it?

  • gangosix

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR,it has to do with being mobile and extending the play,and who gives us the best chance to win

  • gangosix

    and besides what merit does palmer bring? we didnt make the playoffs

  • Charlie

    I would also be very careful of all the read/option craze that is going on right now with Kaepernick and all the different schemes that some think will revolutionize football.

    NONE OF THIS IS NEW!!!

    Go back to the days of Bobby Douglass with the Chicago Bears. Steve Young with the Niners was a gifted runner.
    Randall Cunningham was the same EARLY in his career.
    All that works when you are getting hit by Engineering and Accounting majors in college.

    Kaep and these other guys LIKE RGIII are one hit away from the ER with a steady diet of this GIMMICK.

    A QB in this league better be able to throw the ball VERY accurately first and foremost. Next the ability to extend a play by maneuvering around the pocket and scrambling for yardage on occasion is a tremendous asset. A steady diet of a running QB will not work for long in the NFL with the talent and coordinators in this league.

  • gangosix

    yea and palmer is niether

  • Gdog

    gangosix Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR,it has to do with being mobile and extending the play,and who gives us the best chance to win

    >>>>

    Uh huh! Right.

    Extending the play in the NFL usually means having an accurate arm. We saw what Pryor does at the end of the half “extending the play” … he fails to get out of bounds costing us 3 points.

    Ten cent head and a ten cent arm. No thanx.

  • gangosix

    cmon man first nfl start,at least it wasnt a pick 6 like our other qb

  • J Hill

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR,

    —————————————————————

    It does for a lot of the cats that are totally against even the thought of having Pryor in there.

    Might as well let it go.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
  • RaiderSam

    Gdog Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:08 am
    gangosix Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 8:57 am

    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR,it has to do with being mobile and extending the play,and who gives us the best chance to win

    >>>>

    Uh huh! Right.

    Extending the play in the NFL usually means having an accurate arm. We saw what Pryor does at the end of the half “extending the play” … he fails to get out of bounds costing us 3 points.

    Ten cent head and a ten cent arm. No thanx.

    ===================

    2 TDs passing and one red zone score for the first time in WEEKS

    Your welcome

    Whatever weak arm he got – HE FREAKIN SCORED which was saying a lot in a Greg Knapp offense.

    Kid deserves a medal alone for that accomplishment.

    Pryor will be right back in the mix next year, and likely will play if the o-line gives up another big hit to Palmer.

    Its just THE ERA OF THE YOUNG QB.

    these “arm chair GMs” are freaking hilarious.

    anytime YOU WANNA SUIT UP and give it a crack, be my guest. Might have a legitimate playoff run with all the s$it people talk.

  • J Hill

    Charlie.

    I think the difference might be the relaxed QB rules. Young and Cunningham took hits QBs these days won’t have to take.

  • RaiderSam

    Hill Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:12 am
    IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SKIN COLOR,

    —————————————————————

    It does for a lot of the cats that are totally against even the thought of having Pryor in there.

    Might as well let it go.

    ========

    Do you believe these people? Its like they are hoping/predicting the guy will fail before he even gets a shot to play.

    Any other draft pick or recommendation with NO FRANCHISE SIGNAL CALLERS in the 2013 draft?

    thought so.

  • SaintKaufman

    #3119
    EXACTLY!

    And come on guys, only one person in here started the whole black/white thing. This is about running a college bred offense in the NFL. It will not last, period. And Charlie hit the nail on the head with the durability issues and placing your franchise QB in harms way.

  • SaintKaufman

    You will start to see it next year when these read option QB’s have no choice but to sit back and throw it or get hammered at the LOS.
    THAT is why I would rather have Drew Brees over Cam Newton any day. And I love watching Newton, Kap, Griffin, etc. It’s just not gonna last.
    Now, with that said, how can anyone in hear look at Palmer and Pryor and not see about a galaxy wide difference in their abilities to THROW the ball?

    This is not about race. This is about college vs NFL.

  • DutchRaider77

    kinda funny the biggest Palmer whorshipper isn’t on this board, but on the team, his name is Pryor…

    Q: Any part of you that feels as if you should be considered for the starting job?
    Pryor: “I don’t want to get into thoughts of that because I respect Carson as a human being, as a guy that, when everybody counted me out as a quarterback, said I couldn’t do this or that, he’s the one that said, ‘I believe in you.’ He’s told me so many times that he believes in me. No disrespect to you guys, I just don’t want to get into comments about that because I love the guy as a human being, I love him for the father he is to his kids, the husband he is to his wife, and I love him as a teammate. I love the guy and I really don’t want to discuss that.”

  • gangosix

    ya know i’m kinda new here,but i’m getting a wierd racist vibe going on here,it seems like some people here dont mind going 4-12 as long as the qb was white,where the black qb is already doomed,after 1 start?cmon guys raider fans should be about the least racist fans in the nfl,al davis broke down minority barriers,some of you people are stuck in the past

  • Al_is_theraiders

    is reggie out of ihop yet?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    gang most of those posters are from the midwest…

  • Charlie

    Jhill

    The rules are a bit more relaxed IN THE POCKET.

    Unless you slide or get out of bounds a QB is fair game.

    Not sure how old you are but Bobby Douglass was built like a linebacker (6’4″ 225 back in 1970) and gained 968 yards rushing in 1972 (6.9 yards per carry) with the read option.
    He was a run first/pass second QB and was basically done within two years after the 72 season.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Gdog Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am
    This again? Palmer vs Pryor? Ok.. this saves me some time. I think this is very simple:

    -The people in the Palmer camp want our starting QB to be decided by merit.

    -The people in the Pryor camp want our starting QB to be decided by skin color.

    Does this about settle it?
    ===============================================
    No. Doesn’t settle it. Doesn’t even come close.

    I’ve already posted why I believe TP should be given a chance to start – and skin color has nothing to do with it.

    Has everything to do with trying to build to win a SB.

    If don’t think it’s feasible to build around CP and win a SB.

    IMO, his elbow is shot, his velocity is down, and he’s too immobile in the pocket.

    I don’t see him playing beyond the 2015 season, if that.

    You’re entitled to a different opinion, but please don’t tell me that my reasons for wanting to move on from Palmer and give TP a shot are due to skin color.

    That’s bogus.

    I’d be more interested in hearing your plan or vision as to how the RAIDS can bring Lombardi number 4 home.

    Here’s what I posted earlier……..

    I see the Pryor/Palmer debate is raging on.

    Interesting to note that a few weeks ago, when TP was continuously being held inactive every Sunday by Tits and Krapp, such a debate would have been incomprehensible.

    Now, the possibility of TP being the Raid starter is seriously being considered.

    That’s good.

    I’m firmly in the START TP camp.

    Here’s why:

    Even if you’re undecided about TP, or if you’re convinced TP can NEVER be THE MAN, the question of whether Palmer, at this stage of his career, can ever lead the RAIDS to a Lombardi – should be your primary consideration in the debate.

    This is about winning Super Bowls.

    To me, it’s clear that CP isn’t going to put a 4th Lombardi in the RAID trophy case.

    I’ve said many times I think his elbow is shot and his velocity is down.

    Even if you think his arm is fine and the velocity is good enough, there’s still his immobility to consider.

    Not talking about his ability to gain yards on the ground either. I’m talking about his ability to move or ’slide’ in the pocket.

    Marino and Peyton couldn’t run to save their lives, but they sure could move or slide in the pocket to extend a play. CP is very poor at this.

    Sorry, Palmer advocates. I just can’t envision CP taking us where we need to be.

    I’m not here to needlessly bash CP. He is what he is. At this stage of his career and given the state of the RAIDS, I think it’s best to move on and try to build to win a SB.

    I’m very skeptical TP will ever be able to throw well enough to get us there.

    But there’s only one way to find out for sure.

    PLAY HIM.

    If he flames out, we’ll be looking to draft a QB in 2014.

    But for Christ’s sake, let’s not lose sight of our ultimate goal and at least try to get there.

    IT’S TP TIME !

  • gangosix

    yea i remember bobby douglas,and i also remember the bears sucked then and bobby was running for his life most the time

  • SaintKaufman

    99,
    You make some great points, however I think you’re selling Palmer a little short on his mobility. Again, MY opinion.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Prev thread Gents.keep up!

  • Charlie

    Gang

    It was a run first/pass second offense back in the early seventies.

    It was exactly what some on the blog call “innovative”.

    A qb is always running for his life IN THE NFL.

    That is why a steady diet of it does not work.

    If a QB can not pass very effectively in the NFL he is rather useless.
    That is why guys like JC Watts, Jack Mildren, Steve Davis and Thomas Lott were never effective NFL QB’s.
    Works great at Oklahoma, not in the NFL.

  • Gdog

    gangosix Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    ya know i’m kinda new here,but i’m getting a wierd racist vibe going on here,it seems like some people here dont mind going 4-12 as long as the qb was white,where the black qb is already doomed,after 1 start?cmon guys raider fans should be about the least racist fans in the nfl,al davis broke down minority barriers,some of you people are stuck in the past

    >>>>

    You have it backwards. I don’t care what color a QB is. If Carson Palmer was black, and Pryor white, I’d STILL want Palmer to be the starter next season because of MERIT.

    The people wanting Pryor to start either have never watched football before, or want him to start because of his skin color alone.

    Which do you think it is?

  • gangosix

    i understand that charlie,and i know every running qb doesnt make the nfl,but i also think theres room on our roster for a qb who can get a first down with his feet if need be,and who can keep a defense honest because of the ability to gain huge chunks,does pryor need to work on throwing accrracy?yes,should he get a chance to compete for the starting job? yes

  • shutdown

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
    gang most of those posters are from the midwest…
    _________________________________________________

    Well, there’s insinuation for ya. Whatsa matter? No nerve to be blunt and then stand behind the criticism of what you’ve said that would be forthcoming?

    A football blog that has a handful of the hard core who want to turn it into something not about football.

    BTW, the kid played in the Midwest and was cheered for in the Midwest, but it’s true that it wasn’t because of his race but because of the colors he wore, scarlet and gray.

    And the same thing applies here. Want to be a starter for the Raiders? Show your skills. People will want a winner. They don’t care about anything else. It’s about the colors silver and black. They think you can help them, they love you. They think you can’t, it’s hit the road, Jack.

    It’s a shame you want to make it into something else. Says a lot about you, not the kid, not the rest on this board.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    No. Doesn’t settle it. Doesn’t even come close.

    I’ve already posted why I believe TP should be given a chance to start – and skin color has nothing to do with it.

    Has everything to do with trying to build to win a SB.

    If don’t think it’s feasible to build around CP and win a SB.

    IMO, his elbow is shot, his velocity is down, and he’s too immobile in the pocket

    ====

    Isn’t just a bit ironic, that Palmer, shot elbow and all has more zip on his touch pass than Pryor does on his bullets?

    Seriously, if you are citing arm strength as Palmer’s weakness then, by results demonstrated on the field, TP shouldn’t even be part of the conversation. The guy makes Tebow look like a strong armed QB.

  • gangosix

    to me getting 300 yards passing yards,when down 3 scores in a losing effort does not earn MERIT,throwing a pick 6 with the game on the line does not earn MERIT,hell even taking the blame for a loss when it was clearly coaching fault does not earn merit.i’m not a palmer hater but face it gents he brings no merit to the team

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    gangosix Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    i understand that charlie,and i know every running qb doesnt make the nfl,but i also think theres room on our roster for a qb who can get a first down with his feet if need be,and who can keep a defense honest because of the ability to gain huge chunks,does pryor need to work on throwing accrracy?yes,should he get a chance to compete for the starting job? yes

    ====

    You can put any RB under center and make that same argument. The problem is, a QB has to be able to pass at the NFL level first and foremost. Pryor cannot do this. All the scouting said he didn’t have the tools to develop as an NFL passer and now two years into his career with all the training a guy can get he still can’t do it.

    Get over it. At this point, he is a glorified RB that can occassionally make a throw. I seriously think that with a year of focus DMac would be a better QB because he has a better arm, is smarter, and is as good if not better as a runner.

  • shutdown

    gangosix Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am

    ya know i’m kinda new here,but i’m getting a wierd racist vibe going on he
    ________________________________________

    Doesn’t sound as if you’re new; sounds as if you’re a troll.

    In case you haven’t heard, the word “racist” has been losing its cred for about 20 years or so now, its deterioration as an effective epithet having sped up precipitously the last few years, andd in most parts of the country among ordinary folk it’s done insofar as it no longer has meaning. Only the elites in the media and in politics who continue to bandy it about and a few clusters of ordinary folk in some urban/suburban areas use it anymore. Everyone else just eye rolls and shakes head.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    SaintKaufman Says:
    January 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am
    99,
    You make some great points, however I think you’re selling Palmer a little short on his mobility. Again, MY opinion.
    ==============================================
    Perhaps.

    But to clarify a bit, I’m really not dwelling on CP’s obvious inability to move the chains or gain yards with his legs.

    What bothers me more is CP’s inability to ‘slide’ in the pocket or step up in the pocket to avoid the rush or extend a play.

    IMO, he’s seriously deficient in that aspect of QB play.

    Having said that, that is NOT enough on it’s own to write off CP as a guy to build around.

    But when you look at the entire picture, including Palmer’s projected longevity and the current state of the RAIDS, it’s pretty clear to me that the RAIDS are going to have to move on from Palmer in the very near future.

    That’s why I say make a move now.

    Find out what TP can do.

    I don’t begrudge people for having a different opinion.

    Hey, if they think Palmer is going to be playing beyond 2015 at a high level – fine.

    I just don’t see it.

    Tell you something else, the other GMs around the league probably don’t see it either.

    Otherwise, they’d be lining up to trade for Palmer, regardless of his salary.

    Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised to see CP walk away from the NFL after 2013 and maybe even before.

  • Charlie

    I have said I think Pryor should be our number two.(Post 3111).
    If he somehow beats out Palmer; great.

    From what I have seen he is at least a year away from that happening.

    I think in 2014 we have a better Oline (and team in general) and Pryor has been given another year of experience which makes him far better prepared.

    I have seen too many Jim Plunkett, David Carr, Archie Manning, Greg Cook, Jeff George types that obviously had talent but were thrown to the wolves too early and struggled or who got hurt and left the game.

  • gangosix

    well thats your opinion but no i’m not trolling.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    shutdown, obviously not about football but who says the word has been losing its cred? Certainly not the victims…but back to football pryor does give an extra dimension to an offense now i like palmer, i think he too good a qb for our receivers…mostly due to anticipation….he has it they dont…yet.