More scuttlebutt on Raiders coaching vacancies
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, January 15th, 2013 at 11:40 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders still haven’t said a word about head coach Dennis Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie interviewing candidates for their four coaching vacancies — offensive coordinator, offensive line, special teams coordinator and linebackers.
Yet, little by little word is spreading about some candidates that have interviewed or have been contacted as a means of gauging interest.
We reported Saturday that the Raiders interviewed long-time coach/offensive coordinator Mike Martz about replacing the fired Greg Knapp as the Raiders offensive coordinator and that they also spoke with Juan Castillo about his interest in taking over for fired offensive line coach Frank Pollack.
There’s also word from Pete Roussel of coachingsearch.com that the Raiders interviewed Marc Trestman and Greg Olson for the offensive coordinator job.
Trestman, of course, was the Raiders offensive coordinator when they played in the Super Bowl against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 2002 season. The Raiders entered that game with the league’s top-ranked offense.
Of late, Trestman has been the coach of the Montreal Alouettes and enjoyed great success there, too. Trestman also is in the mix for the Chicago Bears head-coaching job.
Olson currently is the quarterbacks coach/assistant head coach for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He has six years’ experience as an NFL offensive coordinator — Lions, Rams and Buccaneers. He is credited for the rapid development of Buccaneers quarterback Josh Freeman, among other things.
Finally, Roussel says the Raiders interviewed Bruce DeHaven for their special teams coordinator vacancy. DeHaven is well regarded and currently works for the Buffalo Bills.
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January 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am
yo
January 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am
So the Bay Area media has no connections to who is being interviewed?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130109/colin-kaepernick-alex-smith/?sct=obinsite
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Byrne should be fired!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Shek cuatro
January 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I got 5 on it
January 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Damn
I just read that Stanford Shane Skov is returning as 5th year senior.
Dude is a mean LB w/ a high motor.
Would of luved to see Reggie draft him.
Chase Thomas anyone?
Him and Skov ball at Stanford.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
anybody else this league is political when guys like McCoy, Marrone, & Reid can get jobs yet Lovie & Hue aren’t even considered?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Almost noon Pacific Time. Figures.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Trestman interviewed for head coach gig in Chicago.
Why would he be OC in Oakland. Pretty far drop off.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Bring on Bruce Bruce to coach special teams!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Interview Murlarkey, DA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Hell yeah…about time!!
Thanks Steve!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:53 am
And the countdown to 3000 post begins….
January 15th, 2013 at 11:53 am
What about Whisenhunt? Are the Raiders not interested or is He not interested?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:53 am
You just don’t hear the word scuttlebutt enough anymore.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Fortes fortuna juvat
January 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is a scuttlebutt??
January 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am
mumbles is working finally?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Whisenhunt is looking for his next head coaching gig. The raiders might be a fallback position for him as a place where the odds are pretty good that the current hc doesn’t survive the first five games of 2013, and he could end up as the hc by default.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:58 am
r8eray Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Hawaiian, where…on Twitter?
Lol
LOL…yes
January 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am
http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/reid_to_call_offensive_plays_keep_chiefs_3_4_defense/12665488
“The 4-3 is good if you have the right coaches in place and the team is invested in it. But this team here is invested in the 3-4, so let’s continue to build it and get better at it.”
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YOu think our GM & HC are smart enough to realize this now?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
wiki:
“Scuttlebutt in slang usage means rumor or gossip, deriving from the nautical term for the cask used to serve water (or, later, a water fountain).
The term corresponds to the colloquial concept of a water cooler in an office setting, which at times becomes the focus of congregation and casual discussion. “
January 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Whisenhunt is looking for his next head coaching gig. The raiders might be a fallback position for him as a place where the odds are pretty good that the current hc doesn’t survive the first five games of 2013, and he could end up as the hc by default.
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That’s what I’m thinking, so do you think Allen is trying to avoid that situation?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Thanx Al
January 15th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:58 am
r8eray Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Hawaiian, where…on Twitter?
Lol
LOL…yes
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Are you scuttlebutting Hwnrdr?
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
lol i read that earlier too but some guys in here qant a 3-4 so bad they wont acknowledge that…
January 15th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
” scuttlebutting ”
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nice yahtzee word score!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
im new here i love wat carson has brought to this org. he’s our man, he’s our man, if he can’t do it noone can. goooo carson
January 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
” scuttlebutting ”
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nice yahtzee word score!
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Thank me later
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
where in th world is scuttlebut used in slang? imagine using it at colesium? lol….
January 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:58 am
r8eray Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Hawaiian, where…on Twitter?
Lol
LOL…yes
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Are you scuttlebutting Hwnrdr?
lol
LOL…I guess…haven’t seen that word used used I was in teh Navy…32nd street San Diego. one of the clubs there was named The Scuttlebut…lol
January 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
where in th world is scuttlebut used in slang? imagine using it at colesium? lol….
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I can just picture some fools at the coliseum, right now…..
“Hey get your scuttlebutting ass up outta here b.itch!”
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
You need to scuttlebutt out my chair bro. – words only said in the 49ers stadium.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
You need to scuttlebutt out my chair bro. – words only said in the 49ers stadium.
LMFAO!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
guest123 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
You need to scuttlebutt out my chair bro. – words only said in the 49ers stadium.
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No worries bro. Here, take my whine and cheese 2.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
even the food venders would punch you for using that word…
January 15th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Raider O Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
I agree that we need help on offense too,
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No you don’t.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
You sound like my Wife.
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LOL O, you just find a way to make the most of the bloggers agree with you.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Que onda Mex!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Corky loves the scuttlebutts.
I love bigbutts!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
lol i read that earlier too but some guys in here qant a 3-4 so bad they wont acknowledge that…
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I think the issue to me is Reid realizes the PLAYERS are best suited to a 3/4 scheme & even though it isn’t the scheme he is best familiar with he is gonna adjust to the players as opposed to say someone who just says ‘Hey we’re gonna run the ZBS cuz I’ve seen it work” before.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
CBS Sports’ Jason LaCanfora suspects the Bears will choose a head coach by Tuesday night and announce the hiring on Wednesday.
“If you made me guess, I’d go with [Bruce] Arians in Chicago,” said LaCanfora. “We shall see.” LaCanfora is on his own with Arians as his favorite.
-Rotoworld
Looks like we’re still in the running for Trestman!!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
que pasa DMAC?
All fine, just the winter is killing us.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
McKenzie conducting interviews at Denny’s have to wait on that gut feeling…
January 15th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
que pasa DMAC?
All fine, just the winter is killing us.
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I know right
Pinchis huevos se me estan congelando
lol
January 15th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
What are the odds Callahan comes back to coach our o-line…
January 15th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
gangosix Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
im new here i love wat carson has brought to this org. he’s our man, he’s our man, if he can’t do it noone can. goooo carson
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Did MR miss the part “Long time reader”??
January 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
a mi mis naranjas se me estan poniendo azules pinche frio….
January 15th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
50 years ago today, Al Davis was named HC of the Raiders…
Maybe we will hear something today???
January 15th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
que pasa DMAC?
All fine, just the winter is killing us.
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I know right
Pinchis huevos se me estan congelando
lol
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hahahahahahaha I know too.
No mames cabrón. Está de la chingada el frío!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12399910
Older article on Trestman, but it says here he turned down Sean Payton to be the Saints OC….hmmmn
Offensive guru Trestman deserves ticket from Canada to NFL
By Clark Judge | CBSSports.com Senior Writer
Oct. 21, 2009
0 | Comment Attention, disgruntled football fans. Looking for a new head coach? There are plenty of qualified candidates out there, sitting by the phone. Mike Holmgren is one. Mike Shanahan is another. Jon Gruden. Bill Cowher. Brian Billick.
Nobody slips through the cracks, only I guarantee somebody does. And that somebody is Marc Trestman.
Could Marc Trestman, here with Jerry Rice, wind up with another go-round with the hurting Raiders? (Getty Images)
Yep, that Marc Trestman. He couldn’t get a sniff at a head-coaching job in this country, so he went to Canada and took over the Montreal Alouettes. So what? So this: He had the Alouettes in the Grey Cup in his first season and now has them poised to return, with a CFL-best 13-2 record. This time, though, the Alouettes should win because this time they’re better than everyone else.
That’s a credit to a lot of people, including the team’s general manager Jim Popp. He had the guts to hire Trestman when others would not. But mostly it’s a credit to Trestman, who proved he has what it takes to be a successful head coach. All he needed was a chance. Popp and owner Robert Wetenhall gave it to him, and the results have been so overwhelming that Montreal must wonder when the NFL lures him back across the border.
If it’s smart, it will be soon. But it won’t. Trestman is not on anyone’s radar in the NFL because, well, because there’s this idea that he’s bright and innovative and pieces together a nice passing game and all that, but that he really isn’t cut out to be a head coach. He’s too nice or too docile or too cerebral or just not head-coaching material, whatever that means.
Anyway, nobody is talking about him as a head-coaching prospect in the NFL, and that’s a mistake. Because in two seasons Trestman has proven that they should be; that his critics were wrong and that he does, indeed, have what it takes to be a head coach.
OK, so it’s the CFL. Isn’t that the league that gave us Bud Grant and Marv Levy? Didn’t Warren Moon and Doug Flutie and Joe Theismann and Jeff Garcia make the jump from there? Don’t tell me it doesn’t matter because it does, and what matters now is that Marc Trestman and the Montreal Alouettes are setting the league on its toboggan.
“People evolve,” said Popp. “I know he’s seen as a good guy and a nice guy, but he has that voice to get someone’s attention. And he can grab you real quick. He can serve as a ‘father figure’ to some of these guys, but at the same time he’s able to discipline you real quick. Like ‘Don’t cross me.’ Marc really knows his stuff.”
No one ever questioned that. A few years ago New Orleans coach Sean Payton wanted to hire him as his offensive coordinator, but Trestman turned him down and moved his family to North Carolina, where he worked at N.C. State. Then Popp offered him the chance to go to Canada. Popp’s father, Joe, and Trestman worked together in Cleveland on the Browns staff, and Popp got to know his future head coach then. Two decades later he invited him to attend Alouettes practices and to speak to the team. Trestman didn’t know it then, but he was auditioning for his future job.
“The guy,” said Popp, “is a great communicator.”
Trestman always wanted to be a head coach somewhere, and he hoped that somewhere would be the NFL or a major-college program. But that wasn’t going to happen, and Trestman got the message after the 2002 season when the Raiders went to the Super Bowl, thanks largely to their passing game. Rich Gannon was the league MVP. The Raiders were the best offense anywhere, setting franchise passing records galore. And Trestman would parlay their success … his success … into something bigger and better.
Only it never happened, and it looked as if he might fade from the scene until Popp came to the rescue. Now Trestman has one of the best jobs on the planet. He gets to coach in Montreal. He gets to run things his way. He gets to coach another league MVP, quarterback Anthony Cavillo. He gets to spend the offseason with his family. And he gets what he deserves — which is credit for doing a job right.
When Wetenhall hired Trestman in January, 2008, he conceded he was taking a chance on someone who never coached in the CFL and who had never been a head coach at any level of football. But he also said, “I would bet my reputation on Marc Trestman.” He knew what he was doing.
“The inspired hiring of Marc Trestman is still paying dividends,” Jack Todd wrote this week in the Montreal Gazette. “One of these days [and we fear it may be sooner rather than later] some NFL team is going to figure out that Trestman has one of the best football minds on the continent, and he’s going to be lured away. He’s the only coach we’ve ever seen to rival Marv Levy in intensity, preparation, detail and inspiration. It’s a pleasure to watch.”
But that was true when Trestman was the offensive coordinator in Oakland. I remember him opening a 2002 game with Pittsburgh by doing the unthinkable — passing on the first ten snaps and 17 of the first 18. When it was over Gannon had thrown a club-record 64 times for 405 yards, and the Raiders had themselves a 30-17 victory. Oakland went on to lead the league in offense, lead it in passing and finish second only to Kansas City in points.
Better, it wound up in the Super Bowl — the last time it won more than five games in any season.
“You know who’s going to be the next head coach of the Raiders?” a general manager asked me recently.
I shook my head.
“Marc Trestman,” he said. “Because Al [Davis] liked him and because he’s willing to go back there.”
He might be right. I hope not. Because Marc Trestman deserves to be somewhere he can run the show, choose the players, call the plays and put down the foundation for success. Sorry, but that’s not Oakland. But it is Montreal. The Alouettes love the guy, he and Popp mesh perfectly and Trestman is happier than I’ve heard him in years. What’s more, he’s under contract, with no assurances the Alouettes would let him out of the deal.
And why would they? They’re back to winning a zillion games with a head coach who seems, as Popp put it, “a perfect fit” for their club and their players. I remember one NFL general manager years ago telling Trestman that he made a good assistant but would never be a head coach. Trestman never forgot it, and look who’s talking now: Trestman worked his way to the top of the CFL; our GM worked his way out of football.
“The man is extremely well-organized,” Popp said of his head coach, “and he has a routine he stands by and lives. On the sidelines, he’s a very calm person. I’ve never seen him stress or show a lot of emotion. If something doesn’t go well offensively, you don’t see him react in a negative way. And it carries over to the players. Our sidelines are very calm. I’ve seen little panic if we’re losing, and I’ve never seen anyone goofing off if we’re winning.”
The bottom line, of course, is can he be successful — and I’d say we have our answer. But I know what you’re thinking. It’s the CFL. What makes you think he can do it in the NFL? I don’t know. But what I do know is that he should at least be given a chance … and I don’t see that happening anytime soon. Too bad, too, because NFL owners are always looking for the next Marv Levy, and maybe, just maybe, the next Marv Levy is back in Montreal.
“He’s well deserving of everything he’s gotten,” said Popp. “A lot of people have a lot of respect for him. But you know what it’s going to come down to: Someone has to have the [guts] to give him a chance.”
Popp did, and look where it has the Alouettes. Montreal dared to be different, and the gamble paid off. Someone in the NFL should stop, look and listen to what’s happening north of here. There’s a head coach making a name for himself, and his name is Marc Trestman.
“Be honest now,” I said to Popp. “From what you know of him do you think Marc Trestman could be successful as a head coach in the NFL?”
“I don’t even question it,” he said. “He’s too strong of a man. He reminds me of that 15-year veteran who stayed in the game because he was so smart he knew what to do to be successful. If you put him in a situation where he has people around him to give him a chance for success he’s going to have success. There is no doubt in my mind about it.”
January 15th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Nos vemos DMAC!
Ya me voy a comer, es hora del lonche.
(See ya DMAC. Gotta go, lunch time!)
January 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
a mi mis naranjas se me estan poniendo azules pinche frio….
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Y se convierten en limones, ya no naranjas.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Al rato primo
January 15th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Later peoples
Gotta run
January 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is a scuttlebutt??
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South Park character ??
January 15th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
The cold weather is terrible. Thank God for the endless summer of Florida. Sorry for you dudes freezing your lemons and oranges off.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Try to get atl to let us promote pat hill to sp teams coach.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
marc shouldve been the hc before DA…in any world except mumbles dennys booth! He showed exactly how you attack a 3-4 defense…they were helpless….
January 15th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
(See ya DMAC. Gotta go, lunch time!)
52.MEX_GHOST Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
a mi mis naranjas se me estan poniendo azules pinche frio….
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Y se convierten en limones, ya no naranjas.
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horita chequie y parecen uvas….
January 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
has Ryan been hired by anyone???
January 15th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
has Ryan been hired by anyone???
Rumored to have gone to the Rams, then I think he came out and said that he didn’t accept it yet, so…idk
January 15th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
#58: The only thing RMAC is attacking these days is a double serving of ‘Moons over my hammy’
January 15th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
It was said Marc trestman was gonna be Raiders HC in 06 and in 2011 but.. Al decided to go with Hue Jackson.. or Hue begged..
one or the other
I would feel alot better with Trestman as our HC then DA.. but if somehow he makes it to OC.. that would be awesome!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
marc shouldve been the hc before DA…in any world except mumbles dennys booth! He showed exactly how you attack a 3-4 defense…they were helpless….
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Absolutely, would be great to get him back with the Raiders…don’t know if he would leave the CFL to just be an OC again though.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Has knapp been hired yet?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Well if DA were somehow to be let go in the mid season.
Trestman could take over as HC.. and not look back.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
DMAC Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Excuse my ignorance, but what the hell is a scuttlebutt??
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Navy term for gossip.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Right now my favorite for the OC gig is Greg Olson.
This guy is a well regarded OC around the league w/ 6 yr’s experience in that position with 3 different teams as well as being credited with helping develop Josh Freeman in Tampa.
I haven’t researched the various schemes he’s run and i’m not entirely sure of all his philosophies etc. yet but on the surface it looks like a nice coup.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Gil Brandt just posted his mock draft, has us taking Geno Smith at #3… this dude must be fvcking high or something.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
maybe Gil Brandt has an inside scoop??
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Ghost2Post Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Has knapp been hired yet?
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i heard he is the new waiter at Dennys !!
January 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
From UD:
scuttlebutt
1. (Slang) Gossip; rumor
2. (Nautical) A drinking fountain on a ship; a cask on a ship used to hold the day’s supply of drinking water.
3. (noun) a report (often malicious) about the doings of other people
I was hanging out at the scuttlebutt, waiting to get some water when I heard some good scuttlebutt on Vern and an inflatable sheep.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
66.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Well if DA were somehow to be let go in the mid season.
Trestman could take over as HC.. and not look back.
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He could, but I really think he’s headed to Chicago. He spent ALL DAY yesterday at Halas Hall with Bears brass.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
71.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Ghost2Post Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Has knapp been hired yet?
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i heard he is the new waiter at Dennys !!
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Ha. Yeah, when the customer asks what’s taking so long he can give them his usual line: “Hey. Be patient. Let’s try and keep this in perspective for a minute here. It took 5 yr’s to get things rolling when I was at Houston. Maybe you’ve heard of a kid named Arian Foster”.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Guest.. what part of southern Maryland is Vern from ??
January 15th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
70.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
maybe Gil Brandt has an inside scoop??
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An inside scoop into a big bag of booger sugar that has him high enought to believe that we are draft Smith.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Brandt has Joeckel and Werner going 1-2 to the KC and Jax. No way in H-E-L-L do we take Geno at #3.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
why would he say that then?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
70.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
maybe Gil Brandt has an inside scoop??
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Trading both QBs? Lol…
January 15th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
69.bcz24 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Gil Brandt just posted his mock draft, has us taking Geno Smith at #3… this dude must be fvcking high or something.
70.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
maybe Gil Brandt has an inside scoop??
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I know. We see that and immediately start to entertain thoughts of us getting our very own RG3 and having Geno turn us into the next big thing overnite…but what do we do about Palmer and his salary?
January 15th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Im not saying I’d want that.. Im saying why would a well respected man like Gil has raiders taking Geno Smith at 3??
January 15th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
It was said Marc trestman was gonna be Raiders HC in 06 and in 2011 but.. Al decided to go with Hue Jackson.. or Hue begged..
one or the other
I would feel alot better with Trestman as our HC then DA.. but if somehow he makes it to OC.. that would be awesome!
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I agree which is why Denise probably won’t hire him since he will feel “threatened” by him.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Guest.. what part of southern Maryland is Vern from ??
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good ?
I’ll have to go back to the scuttlebutt to find out.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
They will probably hire Josh McDaniels.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
62.Raider-in-PA Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
#58: The only thing RMAC is attacking these days is a double serving of ‘Moons over my hammy’
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LMAO. Whenever anyone asks what Reggie is busy doing, he’s always at some restaurant eating the daily specials.
January 15th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Wow, what did I say…there was a story that Palmer was trade bait and that could be why he has us taking Geno…???
January 15th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
alswingman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
They will probably hire Josh McDaniels.
He has said that he is staying in NE…but…
January 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
did reggie get knapp a job at dennys?
January 15th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Even Brandt is so shocked by his own Geno predicition, it shows up on analysis again for the 4th pick for the Eagles taking Chance Warmack. Nothing about Warmack, but Geno is apparently the reason the Eagles choose Warmack.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
66.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Well if DA were somehow to be let go in the mid season.
Trestman could take over as HC.. and not look back.
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He could, but I really think he’s headed to Chicago. He spent ALL DAY yesterday at Halas Hall with Bears brass.
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Why would he want to work in Chicago with Cutler at QB? Cutler is a pain in the a$$. I guess if you are desperate for an NFL coaching gig. I heard Chicago is leaning towards Colts OC Bruce Arians.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Te’o at 19 would be a steal for the Giants. I think folks are overreacting a bit here.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Im saying Gil Brandt is well connection around the league.
I was just curious on why he has the Raiders taking Geno smith with so many needs.
Now if Reggie traded down and took a chance at Geno I wouldnt be shocked or mad. I would just say.. better have a good coach / OC for the kid and OLINE
January 15th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
81.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Im not saying I’d want that.. Im saying why would a well respected man like Gil has raiders taking Geno Smith at 3??
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I don’t think Brandt is known around the league as a schlep, so it IS curious why he’s saying that.
If it came from a Schefter or Rappaport it would hold more water.
I am curious myself as to why he’s saying this.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
92.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Im saying Gil Brandt is well connection around the league.
I was just curious on why he has the Raiders taking Geno smith with so many needs.
Now if Reggie traded down and took a chance at Geno I wouldnt be shocked or mad. I would just say.. better have a good coach / OC for the kid and OLINE
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…AND…receivers.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
and Yes Geno has accuracy and some zip on his throws.. moves aroudn the pocket pretty well too.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Strange things are afoot at the Circle K!
January 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
AND…receivers.
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ya the thing with taking a young guy.. u can build around him.. it doesnt all have to be in one year. Wr’s can get comfortable knowing he will be here for the next however long
January 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Anyone heard more about Pete Carmichael? If Trestman goes to Chicago he seems like the logical choice with DA’s Saints history.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Anyone heard more about Pete Carmichael? If Trestman goes to Chicago he seems like the logical choice with DA’s Saints history.
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all waiting for the HC’s to fall in place IMO. I think Raiders will have OC in place by Sat/ Sunday.
I think alot of guys are in play
January 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I hope this guy was offered the job by the new “Reggime”…to me it’s a no-brainer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Trestman
January 15th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Todd McShay has the Raiders drafting Bjoern Werner*, DE, Florida State
The Raiders have managed only 17 sacks this season, and DEs Lamarr Houston (300 pounds) and Matt Shaughnessy (285 pounds) are unusually big. They would face a tough call between Werner and LSU DE Barkevious Mingo, who has a better natural skill set as a pass-rusher and would give the Raiders a lighter, faster edge rusher. However, Werner is the more consistent player and has a better all-around game.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
I hope this guy was offered the job by the new “Reggime”…to me it’s a no-brainer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Trestman
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Agreed, problem is.. so far there’s what ’seems’ reasonable… and what DA and Reggie actually do.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
We do need a pass rush…but it could be that MAYBE Reggie and Allen were not too thrilled/confident in Pryor ever being a QB…but drafting Smith at #3? I’m kinda with Bcz here….are you high?
January 15th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
97.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
AND…receivers.
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ya the thing with taking a young guy.. u can build around him.. it doesnt all have to be in one year. Wr’s can get comfortable knowing he will be here for the next however long
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But if we we’re to take him at # 3, you’re thinking immediate impact.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Geno Smith, West Virginia
Height: 6-3. Weight: 214.
Projected 40 Time: 4.69.
Projected Round (2013): Top-20 Pick.
1/12/13: Smith started out 2012 on fire. He was a dominant force before getting shut down against Texas Tech and Kansas State. Smith played better in November even though West Virginia was in a losing streak.
Smith has completed 71 percent of his passes this season for 4,205 yards, 42 touchdowns and six interceptions. He had one of the most prolific games in college football history by completing 45-of-51 for 656 yards, eight touchdowns and zero interceptions against Baylor.
The senior signal-caller has an excellent skill set. He is showing his intelligence and field vision by working through his progressions and looking off safeties. Smith has some natural accuracy with good arm strength to make all the throws. He can fire some fastballs into tight windows with phenomenal ball placement to hit receivers in stride.
Smith shows the arm to be quality passer with some natural accuracy. He has earned a reputation as a very hard worker and true student of the game who puts in a ton of time in the film room. Smith is a good athlete who could fit well in a West Coast offense. He could earn first-round consideration. ”
Per waltefootball
January 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
105,
You know picking Geno at #3 smacks of a big time Al Davis style stretch.
Get ready for the “Al Davis is alive and well” jokes from the pundits.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
105,
You know picking Geno at #3 smacks of a big time Al Davis style stretch.
Get ready for the “Al Davis is alive and well” jokes from the pundits.
Yup!
January 15th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Well if he can play and Reggie think he can play.. then thats all that matters.
Believe me .. Reggie is gonna scout the f outta these players now. Last year he had no draft picks.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Any of these guys:
-Trestman
-Greg Olson
-Pete Carmichael
…would put on hold the idea that “no coach worth anything would ever come over to this mess in Oakland” talk.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
#7 are you really James Trapp? I was a fan. Totally agree too. Why is Hue not an OC or HC? He is instant offense. I was pissed when they fired him. Been a Raider fan my entire life (45 years old) and he gave me my all time best Raider moment…when Huff intercepted Schaub to win that game the day after Al died. I still choke up every time I think about or see that video of Hue dropping to his knees and covering his face. Then the locker room speech where he gave Huff the game ball…most memorable Raider moment of my life! I agree on Lovie too. by the way I am a right wing white guy
The only guy in Texas with a Raider Nation license plate frame and the Jesus fish right next to it! LOL
January 15th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
here is a post from another board
“Although I don’t see this happening, don’t be so quick to call Brandt senile, especially when it comes to the Raiders. I recall precisely when Veldheer was drafted, he reported THAT DAY that the Raiders will try him a center. He got laughed at and I got laughed at for reporting what he said, yet low and behold, he WAS indeed tried at C. The guy knows something is my point and he may know something about the Chefs and whether or not they will be retaining Brandon Albert. He may also know that Reggie is high on Smith. It’s well documented that Reggie and the boys have been attending several WVU games, including when they play JMU (WTF?) Yeah, they have a good idea about Smith one way or another. “
January 15th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Here’s what others have mocked the Raiders pick at #3:
McSay: Bjoern Werner, DE
Rang: Jarvis Jones, OLB
Brugler: Barkevious Mingo, OLB
Cherepinsky: Stat Lotulelei, DL
January 15th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
what about KIPER?
January 15th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
111,
Good work Raidersallday. Looks like you’re on it.
This is when it starts to get fun around here.
Whether it’s true or not, I love interesting speculation like this.
Sue me. I’m bored.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Any of these guys:
-Trestman
-Greg Olson
-Pete Carmichael
…would put on hold the idea that “no coach worth anything would ever come over to this mess in Oakland” talk.
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Amen to that! I’m tired of hearing & reading this crap. I know it’s deserved with Al’s previous history but the man has passed on (RIP). We need and deserve something positive to happen for the Raiders.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Can’t find anything on Yiper, guess he’s not yiping about it yet.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
The only way to tell if he is really James Trapp is to get out the stop watch and time him in the 40.
Man, could we please exclude DAs commentary regarding the search for OC… “I am looking for the OC that will get the most out of our players regardless of philosophy or system”… so in other words he has no clue wtf he is looking for, ie what freaking system fits our personnel. what a moron.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Week 2
North Carolina at Wake Forest
NFL teams attending: Buffalo Bills and Oakland Raiders.
Prospects to watch: Wake Forest: FB Tommy Bohanon, WR *Michael Campanaro, WR Terence Davis, OLB Joey Ehrmann, CB *A.J. Marshall, CB *Merrill Noel, CB Chibuikem Okoro, QB *Tanner Price, DE Zach Thompson, DL *Nikita Whitlock, C Garrick Williams;
North Carolina: OG Travis Bond, S *Tre Boston, OG Jonathan Cooper, WR Erik Highsmith, OT *James Hurst, DE *Tim Jackson, DE *Kareem Martin, LB Kevin Reddick, QB *Bryn Renner, OT Brennan Williams, DT Sylvester Williams.
Purdue at Notre Dame
NFL teams attending: Jacksonville Jaguars, New Orleans Saints and Oakland Raiders.
Prospects to watch: Notre Dame: ILB *Carlo Calabrese, C Braxston Cave, TE, *Tyler Eifert, ILB *Dan Fox, OG Mike Golic, Jr., WR John Goodman, WR *T.J. Jones, DE Kaptron Lewis-Moore, OT *Zack Martin, FS Dan McCarthy, SS Zeke Motta, DT **Louis Nix, RB/WR Theo Riddick, OLB *Prince Shembo, SS Jamoris Slaughter, ILB Manti Te’o, WR Robby Toma, OG *Chris Watt, RB *Cierre Woods;
Purdue: CB *Ricardo Allen, LB Dwayne Beckford, RB Ralph Bolden, OG Peters Drey, WR Antavian Edison, DT *Bruce Gaston, CB Josh Johnson, QB Robert Marve, C Rick Schmeig, DT Kawann Short, QB Caleb TerBush.
Grambling State at TCU
NFL teams attending: Dallas Cowboys, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders and Tennessee Titans.
Prospects to watch: TCU: WR *Josh Boyce, OLB Kenny Cain, WR Skye Dawson, OT *James Dunbar, OG Blaize Foltz, DE Ross Forrest, C James Fry, RB *Waymon James, DE/OLB Stansly Maponga, QB *Casey Pachall, RB Matthew Tucker;
Grambling State: None.
Week 3
James Madison at West Virginia
NFL teams attending: Oakland Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles and San Francisco 49ers.
Prospects to watch: West Virginia: RB Shawne Alston, WR Tavon Austin, WR *Stedman Bailey, K Tyler Bitancurt, OG Jeff Braun, FB Ryan Clarke, OLB Terence Garvin, OG Josh Jenkins, C Joe Madsen, CB Pat Miller, QB Geno Smith;
January 15th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Realtruraider Says: January 15th, 2013 at 8:42 amRaidO Says:January 14th, 2013 at 9:03 pmSeymour Bush Says:January 14th, 2013 at 9:02 pmGets no first string reps and plays pretty damn good.============================================He was on the team for a year and a half, and went 8/22 for 79 yards when it mattered. That’s a 36% completion rate. No one has had that bad a completion rate, because they would have been yanked. But You concentate on what he did when it didn’t matter. I concentrate on what he did when it did matter. And he sucked.———————————————You are not a Raider fan. It’s not all about stats.——————————————————-For all the “haters” talkin down on Pryor and that like to put alot of stock into stats, here some stats for ya. I bet ya’ll love Luck right?WEEK 17Luck – 14/28 191 50% 2TDs 72.8QBRPryor – 13/28 150 46.4% 2tds 71.2 QBRAlright Im not tryin to say Pryor is near the passer that Luck is at this point, but this was Lucks 16th start in the NFL and he was the starter since camp, this was Pryors 1st start and had a week with starters. Lets give him another year behind Palmer (cuz Palmer aint goin anywhere with the way his contract is) and then see how he has come along the next season. I think we might have something with Pryor and I have a feeling the new regime feels the same way, that they have somethin to work with here.
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Good post. How does that go……stats don’t lie, liars lie
January 15th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Seems like a power struggle since Reggie took over. DA is probably going to do what ever Reggie tells him to do. Don’t think he has much say in it. That may be why they hired a first timer HC.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Realtruraider Says: January 15th, 2013 at 8:42 am
-For all the “haters” talkin down on Pryor and that like to put alot of stock into stats, here some stats for ya. I bet ya’ll love Luck right?
WEEK 17
Luck – 14/28 191 50% 2TDs 72.8QBR
Pryor – 13/28 150 46.4% 2tds 71.2 QBR
Alright Im not tryin to say Pryor is near the passer that Luck is at this point, but this was Lucks 16th start in the NFL and he was the starter since camp, this was Pryors 1st start and had a week with starters. Lets give him another year behind Palmer (cuz Palmer aint goin anywhere with the way his contract is) and then see how he has come along the next season. I think we might have something with Pryor and I have a feeling the new regime feels the same way, that they have somethin to work with here.
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Stats don’t lie, liars lie.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
semdaddy Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Can’t find anything on Yiper, guess he’s not yiping about it yet.
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I like Mayock, not quite as annoying as Kiper. Whomever the Raiders pick… this draft is one of the most important in years. We MUST hit on the picks we have!
January 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
I like Pryor, hope he gets an opportunity to start. The kid has one game, stats are not representative, watch the game, did some good, did some bad, deserves the opportunity…
stats dont lie, and they dont play either.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Pryor just needs reps, he has potential to lead us like some of these other young QB’s but they are not giving him the chance to get into a rythm. Once CP is gone (in another year) they may let him try it.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Stats don’t lie, but they do mislead, especially when people misinterpret their meaning. His stats were that of a backup, and while I agree that he has potential, I’m not sold on him being the answer. There are too many unknowns that weren’t answered by that game for me to feel completely comfortable with him. Let me see him string a couple preseason games without throwing the ball at receiver’s feet, and then I’ll reconsider.
January 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Scuttle butting by Stevie Ray Vaughn, is one bad azz jam tho…
Reggie isn’t Hibernating anymore?
Are they waiting for a guy on onto the 4 staff’s still competing before making a hire?
January 15th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Like the name Kamikaze…lol…
January 15th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
TP should at least be the #2 QB,
Lienart was a waste of space as the back up,
And DA commenting that TP couldn’t even be a back up sure looked lame with his play against SD…Have to wonder what DA’s agenda was on that one…
January 15th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
For all the “haters” talkin down on Pryor and that like to put alot of stock into stats, here some stats for ya. I bet ya’ll love Luck right?WEEK 17Luck – 14/28 191 50% 2TDs 72.8QBRPryor – 13/28 150 46.4% 2tds 71.2 QBRAlright Im not tryin to say Pryor is near the passer that Luck is at this point, but this was Lucks 16th start in the NFL and he was the starter since camp, this was Pryors 1st start and had a week with starters. Lets give him another year behind Palmer
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I don’t think I have seen anyone here say that Pryor shouldn’t be a backup for another year. I hope he becomes a solid number two and gets a few more reps on third downs and goal line situations throughout the year.
The problem here arises with the mouth-breathers that think Pryor should START over CP next year.
Its ridiculous, and embarrassingly stupid.
Hell, I’d bet Pryor himself would say the same thing!
January 15th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
yes to Trestman, a man i’ve been rootingfor us to hire him now for many years…
Yes to Norv Turner…
hell no to Martz…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Da doesnt know what we need or what would fit.. smh. He should just take a poll on who to hire.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Dang. Was hoping the last post would reach 4 or 5 thousand. Oh well, just have to find something else to get excited about. So far, not too much with the Raiders. Have they signed any of their free agents?
Any body know?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
yes to Trestman, a man i’ve been rootingfor us to hire him now for many years…
Yes to Norv Turner…
hell no to Martz…
LMN…what’s up man? Long time….
January 15th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Ive read lots of posts wanting tp moved to wr or cut… if we had the sense to start him and evaluate him for maybe 5 weeks we would know exactly what we have in tp… stupid wasted games… thanks da
January 15th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Kinda wonder about Martz? Not that he would be a good fit, but how it happened?
Did he contact the Raiders with a plan?
Or did the Raiders contact him?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Yo Van,
You a guitar player??
January 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Yo Nerds, looks like my nads are STILL sunburned from yesterday’s ball wax
True, they’re smooth and hairless like a baby turtle, but I have to slowly shuffle sideways to keep from crying
Even soaking Dem Boyz in frozen Mai Tais overnight didn’t help
All I can do now is crank some Boys II Men on the wifi and see if those fresh traxs helps soothe the burn
WHUT WHUT OUCH MY NUTZ
January 15th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
LMAO!!!!!!
i think it is uproariously funny watching the reaction people are having based on a mock draft for geno , and the prospect of pryor replacing palmer
The board is melting down as the broken hero worshipers commiserate console and support one another in the event that palmer gets canned.
Guys the bottom line is this
Palmer never was the right guy for the raiders
he failed to deliver what he and hun jack promised the instant upgrade and superbowl
with a measly 8-17 record and a horrific 37 turn overs in that span he can be viewed as anything but a major trade bust that handicapped the raiders for two years.
face facts people, if palmer is on the team next year, he will flop. as soon as he does be it geno or pryor that takes the keys palmer will be done in oakland for sure.
At least we are closing to putting this dying mule out of his misery, the bungle stripes dont look good in oakland
January 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Have we hired Trestman yet? Or has Chicago snagged him?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Suddenly missdick gets ready to abandon Pryor and jump on geno.
Palmer, Pryor, geno, or any other qb, one thing will not change. Missdick will remain the white-hating black-loving bigot liar and coward.
I wonder if he knows that even if a black qb wins the next 20 Super Bowls, which would be fine by the way, it won’t change his life one bit.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Have we hired Trestman yet? Or has Chicago snagged him?
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To paraphrase Mr Blonde: Chicago’s hired him or they haven’t. We’re either preparing to hire him, or we’re not.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Suddenly missdick gets ready to abandon Pryor and jump on geno.
Palmer, Pryor, geno, or any other qb, one thing will not change. Missdick will remain the white-hating black-loving bigot liar and coward.
I wonder if he knows that even if a black qb wins the next 20 Super Bowls, which would be fine by the way, it won’t change his life one bit.
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Dude, give it up already. That is so played. Other teams are improving and looking forward to nest season.
BTW, Pryor will be our QB some day, and he’ll be good. Get ova it.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:21 am
My dream scenario, O.
Trade back to 8′ish. Pick up a 2nd rd pick in the process.
Trade Pryor to Cleveland for their #1 or Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
Draft Warmack at 8′ish.
Draft a RDE/OLB with the other #1
Draft a WR with the 2nd rd pick.
$$$$$$$$$&$$$$$$$$$$$$
We all have dreams.
You think people in Cleveland are on crack. lol
I wouldn’t trade TP not even for a 1st but I’m biased.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Martz doesnt fit our players.. Reece and our TE’s doesnt fit his gameplan.. a TE and FB are simply small O-linemen, in Martz that is…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Have we hired Trestman yet? Or has Chicago snagged him?
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He’s to smart of a OC to be working for Allen. Josh McDaniels is more likely to be hired by Allen. No threat to job security. Besides, you’d thin DA would want a smart OC to help the O win some games and make DA look like a boy wonder, but no. Doesn’t work that way. DA needs to dumb down his expectations.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DA has said that he doesn’t care if his new OC has previous HC jobs on their resume…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
cross posting is so gey
dr slob hasnt been here all day then the minute i show up boom he appaears.
This has been the pattern over the past few weeks.
Obviously he is here all day lurking and using a different handle, only to switch the moment i show up.
I guess it is a from of fan worship that forces him to switch handles and comment on my post.
lol at dudes that dont have the balls to be themselves in cyber space
January 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Hopefully we find out something soon! Peace out Nation!
January 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
105,
You know picking Geno at #3 smacks of a big time Al Davis style stretch.
Get ready for the “Al Davis is alive and well” jokes from the pundits.
Yup!
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Maybe, Mark has more of the old man in him than we thought?…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Yo Nerds, looks like my nads are STILL sunburned from yesterday’s ball wax
True, they’re smooth and hairless like a baby turtle, but I have to slowly shuffle sideways to keep from crying
Even soaking Dem Boyz in frozen Mai Tais overnight didn’t help
All I can do now is crank some Boys II Men on the wifi and see if those fresh traxs helps soothe the burn
WHUT WHUT OUCH MY NUTZ
……………………………………………
Yo. Sup. Nothin beats a five hour sack polishing, but the ‘ol nutz is sore. Like so sore you can feel them bounce when you walk. So I just sit back and put them on display.
HOLLA. CRAZY NUTZ. FO SHO.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
MEX GHOST,
I’m a salesman. lol
January 15th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Just dropped a lawg so big it put my nutz up my gut. Word.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
btw, is there some bad blood between the former GB guys since all of a sudden they all want to be GM’s in AFC West..
McCoy he had enough of fox an Manning or what? since he took the SD gig??
January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
no they just know they have easy wins over a Da/reggie team…ihop anyone?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
“Much credit should go to the Kansas City Chiefs and the San Diego Chargers in their head-coaching searches.
On Jan. 4, the Chiefs hired Andy Reid, and Tuesday the Chargers have hired Denver offensive coordinator Mike McCoy.
In Reid, the Chiefs got the most sought after established coach. In McCoy, the Chargers are hiring the most targeted of the first-time head coaches. Both coaches were hot commodities and they both landed in the AFC West.”
—ESPN.
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Meanwhile there is not much happening apparently in the Raider organization unless McKenzie is just waiting for GB to lose.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Another perspective….
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Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks 3h
I didn’t view Geno Smith or Dee Milliner as top 10 talents but the top QB and CB always get pushed up the board. Happens every year
January 15th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
semdaddy Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Seems like a power struggle since Reggie took over. DA is probably going to do what ever Reggie tells him to do. Don’t think he has much say in it. That may be why they hired a first timer HC.
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If, according to you, Allen is going to do what McKenzie tells him then how the hell is that a power struggle?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER..
FYI.. GB lost a few days ago
January 15th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
because he is going to pout…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks 17h
I’ve only studied one tape on Bjoern Werner but he reminds me a lot of Chris Long coming out of UVA.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
I’m new here. Been looking for a good Raider blog to express my feelings for my team. Been reading some interesting comments.
But what the fck is up with Reggie/Allen takin their sweet assed time about getting the asst. coaches in order. Do they even have a clue? Get the best guy out there, Trestman. Allen needs somebody who has some damned balls. Meanwhile, SD and KC are gearing up and hitting the road, and we are still stuck in the mud. I’m convinced Reggie/Allen are clueless. Maybe they are looking for a basement bargain price.
Who we hire is going to determine next season. What the hell are these guys waiting for? Do they even know how to go about finding a OC? They didn’t last year so nothing leads me to believe they know how to this year.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Martz or Norv or Al Sanders = Air Coryell.
Which means they would all work well with Palmer.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Trestman was my original choice for HC. Then he can replace DA.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER..
FYI.. GB lost a few days ago
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Hey LMN!
Lol.
Yeah, I know LMN.
I was trying to make a joke about McKenzie being slow but it didn’t come out right.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
This one is good for some laughs:
http://www.twitter.com/philsimmsquotes
January 15th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DA has said that he doesn’t care if his new OC has previous HC jobs on their resume…
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I would hope not because that has to be some kind of plus.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Obviously he is here all day lurking and using a different handle, only to switch the moment i show up.
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I dunno man. Sometimes I got this blog running for a long time, read, read, read, then comment when I feel like it. I only have 1 handle.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Raiders should give art shell a call.Ave satanas
January 15th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Any word if Castillo has interviewed with another team?
January 15th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Ghost2Post Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Has knapp been hired yet?
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i heard he is the new waiter at Dennys !!
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Lol.
No they have higher standards at Dennys.
Man, I would love to be able to go to Denny’s tomorrow for breakfast.
No Denny’s here and not much in the way of diners either.
January 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Martz or Norv or Al Sanders = Air Coryell.
Which means they would all work well with Palmer.
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Martz wont work.. his o-lines are old-fashioned, Marcel Reece, David Ausberry and Brandon Myers all would be cut or traded, because the are in Martz scheme just blockers..
Richard Gordon, is the only TE Martz would like…
January 15th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
LMN, what’s shakin?
How’d your team do this year in futbol??
Or is it still in season? LOL!
January 15th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Ghost2Post Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Has knapp been hired yet?
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i heard he is the new waiter at Dennys !!
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Can picture him bring out the food in his wife beater with a hair net on….
January 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Dennys has a new special….mccheese pancakes…they are a bit slow and and made withe practice cooks…
January 15th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Dennys has a new special….mccheese pancakes…they are a bit slow and and made withe practice cooks…
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Dont forget they give your gut the rumbles…
January 15th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I’m not advocating Martz since so many of his relationships end up with people-like Cutler-telling him to go fik himself but he, like Norv or Sanders, would work ok with Palmer.
He’d cut a lot of people?
Man, there’s a lot of people on this team that need to be cut.
Not Reece though. He’s the Scutoro of the NFL.
And Myers just had a great year thanks to the coaching of……Al Sanders.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Coach Mike McCarthy expressed optimism about Jermichael Finley, emphasizing that his tight end was “different man from the bye week on.”
“I feel very good about way he finished year,” added McCarthy. “There was a change in that young man.” McCarthy’s comments suggest Finley has a good shot to retain his roster spot despite a mid-December report that he would not return to Green Bay “barring a shocking turn of events.” Finley is due a $3.5 million roster bonus in March.
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yeah, yeah… trying to talk him up now. I think Finley’s tired of Green Bey. Maybe moving west would do this young man some good.
He would look good in Silver N Black!
Besides, he’s from my hometown of Diboll, TX and still comes here often to visit families and kids at the school.
The Raiders fan population would rise significantly around here if that happened.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Apart from Dennys, one of the things that I miss is Jack-in-the-Box tacos!
Get that hot sauce on there!
Why are Jack’s tacos so great after you’ve had a beer or two?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Finley would be awesome but he REALLY needs to work on CATCHING the ball. Much like our WR’s.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
My middle finger won’t go down how do I wave hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
We hire a OC yet, or are we just waiting for an imcompetent to throw under the bus at the end of next season? Or is the search harder than Reggie/Allen thought to find a OC greener than Allen?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Finley would be awesome but he REALLY needs to work on CATCHING the ball. Much like our WR’s.
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just think his head aint right. he needs a fresh start.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
bills hired tyrone wheatley…bet he could teach dmc a thing or two…
January 15th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Biggest need ???????????????????
Run stopping DT
Pass rushing DE/OLB
January 15th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Geno Smith? From what I have seen of the kid he isn’t really as good as his stats indicate…..a lot of short passes with lots of yards after the catch have inflated his numbers.
He looked downright bad in his bowl game.
If we pick him at #3, I will be pizzzzzzzzed.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
cbs…..
January 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
At least I got some scuttlebutt
January 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Nobody should be hired simply because ‘they would work ok with palmer”
Palmer is no longer the key consideration for our offense.
pryor solved the red zone and 3rd downs with a week of practice and only half the resp in those practice, after not playing football for nearly 2 years!
Dmac also will be a key factor in the hiring, yet even he is not the make or break.
i think it is clear that kappy wilson rgIII have set the bar on what will be expected in oakland being that we have tp6 in the fold.
I know people here dont want to accept this but palmer is only a seat warmer at this point for the raiders.
kappy putting up 263 yards passing and setting an nfl record with 181 yards rushing and adding 3 tds was the nail in the coffin for palmer.
Knocking blog fav arron rodgers out of the playoffs in the process marked the final realization that the new qb prototype relagets palmer to the scrap heap of unfulfilled breams and bungledom forever.
None of this is lost on big mack or davis jr, especially if jr is anything like his pop at all.
Smart money says he is more like his pop that anybody wants to believe.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Po Tatersak Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
We hire a OC yet, or are we just waiting for an imcompetent to throw under the bus at the end of next season? Or is the search harder than Reggie/Allen thought to find a OC greener than Allen?
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They may be waiting for Pat Hill to become available.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
If the Raiders draft Geno, he will sit behind Palmer next year then compete with Palmer in Palmer’s final contract year.
The timeline makes sense from a long-term outlook.
IF they think he’s the right guy for the job.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
i think it is clear that kappy wilson rgIII have set the bar on what will be expected in oakland being that we have tp6 in the fold.
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Too bad Pryor can’t throw like them…..WR/TE
January 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
bills hired tyrone wheatley…bet he could teach dmc a thing or two…
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“WHEATLEY WON’T GO DOWN!!!”
January 15th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
If the Raiders draft Geno, he will sit behind Palmer next year then compete with Palmer in Palmer’s final contract year.
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You don’t think he’ll be competing with Prior?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
LMN, what’s shakin?
How’d your team do this year in futbol??
Or is it still in season? LOL!
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they all suck, the one here in denmark, brøndby, are fearing relegation, if thats not bad enough they might go bankrupt, which means they will be relegated 3 series, all players on contract will be free to leave.. SUX bigtime, but I still hope we survive..
Liverpool is just a bit better than mediocre, so that sucks as well. at least Michael Laudrups team Swansea good..
so all in all a crappy sports year, only F1 was good..
January 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
DMC goes down faster than a prostitute in my backseat.hail satan
January 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Best career move for Pryor would be to spend all offseason with Palmer….and practice route running.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
My middle finger won’t go down
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I have the same problem when I’m in California and find myself driving by Candlestick.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
The more I try to find anyone in this draft class that makes me go WOW the more curious I am as to who will be sold the media hype for certain players.
TRADE DOWN!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
England
honestly no. Geno’s accuracy and mechanics are much better than Pryor’s. I mean, technically they’ll all get some reps in pre-season,
but if you draft a guy #3, that’s Matt Ryan’s draft spot. It’s not to compete with your 3rd-stringer.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Knocking blog fav arron rodgers out of the playoffs in the process marked the final realization that the new qb prototype relagets palmer to the scrap heap of unfulfilled breams and bungledom forever.
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blog fave? f any player not on the raiders. anyone who wants pryor to fail needs to question their loyalty to the raiders same as anyone who wants palmer to fail. all of a sudden you’re high on kaepernick? after all the praise for pryor you want geno? pistol o looking definitely becoming the thing in the nfl, but how’d joe webb look to you?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I would never take Geno Smith in round 1, but I would take him in round 2….he is way better than Pryor.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Semdaddy Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
#7 are you really James Trapp? I was a fan. Totally agree too. Why is Hue not an OC or HC? He is instant offense. I was pissed when they fired him. Been a Raider fan my entire life (45 years old) and he gave me my all time best Raider moment…when Huff intercepted Schaub to win that game the day after Al died. I still choke up every time I think about or see that video of Hue dropping to his knees and covering his face. Then the locker room speech where he gave Huff the game ball…most memorable Raider moment of my life! I agree on Lovie too. by the way I am a right wing white guy The only guy in Texas with a Raider Nation license plate frame and the Jesus fish right next to it! LOL
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Not James Trapp, but I’m an independent white male who is fiscally conservative & socially liberal.
I was a fan of Hue too & choked up when I saw the locker room speech. Hue deserves one of these OC jobs @ the very least.
And BTW, I hate affirmative action but it’s ridiculous Lovie isn’t getting a whiff for one of these Head Coaching jobs. McCoy? Marrone? I mean c’mon!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
LMN, what’s shakin?
How’d your team do this year in futbol??
Or is it still in season? LOL!
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they all suck, the one here in denmark, brøndby, are fearing relegation, if thats not bad enough they might go bankrupt, which means they will be relegated 3 series, all players on contract will be free to leave.. SUX bigtime, but I still hope we survive..
Liverpool is just a bit better than mediocre, so that sucks as well. at least Michael Laudrups team Swansea good..
so all in all a crappy sports year, only F1 was good..
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Bummer man. Tough time to be a Raider fan.
I’m a novice anymore with F1, but I did watch a couple of races last year. Pretty good year coming up with Vettel, Hamilton, Button, Massa. I was more into the Prost, Senna Mansell time. Those machines are amazing!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Any of these guys:
-Trestman
-Greg Olson
-Pete Carmichael
…would put on hold the idea that “no coach worth anything would ever come over to this mess in Oakland” talk.
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Greg Olson doesn’t inspire much confidence in what he’s done. I don’t know much about Carmichael. If he doesn’t done much outside of NO what’s the point? Just be another buddy hire.
Trestman’s resume shows that he can get multiple QB’s to have career years in throwing the ball. I think the players would believe in him.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Kaufman
just remember it’s hard to trade down if not many are trying to trade up for someone.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
England
honestly no. Geno’s accuracy and mechanics are much better than Pryor’s. I mean, technically they’ll all get some reps in pre-season,
but if you draft a guy #3, that’s Matt Ryan’s draft spot. It’s not to compete with your 3rd-stringer.
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As Dakota said, I don’t think I’d take Geno in the 1st in fact I think we should trade down.
Also, it looks as if Prior has graduated to second stringer.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
What about…Reggie trading down to whomever, netting a second first-rounder, then using that first-rounder to sign RFA Victor Cruz?
January 15th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Well if he can play and Reggie think he can play.. then thats all that matters.
Believe me .. Reggie is gonna scout the f outta these players now. Last year he had no draft picks.
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I can’t say Geno is my first pick but he does have talent. If Reggie thinks he can play then I don’t have a problem with them taking him although I think Pryor should be given an opportunity. Of course, their were rumors that Reggie had his staff scouting Collen Klein who is getting abused at the East-West Shrine game.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/15/lane-kiffin-usc-commitment-kyle-fitts-scholarship/1835969/
Kiffin doing his thing at USC.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Here’s the famous Tyrone Wheatley run vs the Chiefs:
starts at 2 min, but enjoy the entire highlight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlwFSFVUG0
January 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
If someone gets a hard on for Geno, that would be great! Then we might get a big bounty of picks to move down….so I am all for Smith having a great spring leading up to the draft….although I think he has alrteady decided not to attend the combine.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
lol at Gruden running around Arrowhead after that huge win. Propelled them to the AFC West title the next season.
Could have kept Joe Nedney and drafted Shaun Alexander instead of Jano. Sigh.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
If they’re scouting Klein, it’s for his character and leadership. He’s someone that’s worth minimum money, a 7th round draft pick, and a 3rd-string QB spot or special teams spot just to have that kind of person around.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Also, it looks as if Prior has graduated to second stringer.
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The reason Leinert was here is he knew the Knapp system backwards and forwards so not only could he backup, but help the other Q’s get up to speed. No Knapp, no reason to have Leinert.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21558306/patriots-favored-to-win-super-bowl-this-year-and-next
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Damn, this is already out?? Sucks to be us.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Damn Alex, getting me all worked up here!!
Kaufman Wheatley were awesome!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Dakota Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Best career move for Pryor would be to spend all offseason with Palmer….and practice route running.
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The receivers should join ‘em.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Alex,
I know moving down is our biggest challenge.
I’m really hoping Geno is the key to our success in that someone will want to move up to get him.
There’s just no one IMO that is there at #3 worth taking.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
You can call this the Priestt highlights:
Raiders vs Chiefs a few years ago. Jamarcus benched for Gradkowski, who is leading a game-winning TD drive until DHB bobbles a perfect pass at the 10 yard line and the Chiefs intercept it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YayTww5hf5g
January 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Here’s the famous Tyrone Wheatley run vs the Chiefs:
starts at 2 min, but enjoy the entire highlight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUlwFSFVUG0
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Thanks man, I really enjoyed that!
My son and I were SC and flew up from Ontario for that game.
We got to Ontario airport wearing Nation gear thinking we be standing out in the Inland Empire and the whole damn terminal was full of the Nation flying up for the game and airline crew was used to it since it was a weekly occurence for them.
Then we got to Oakland, and THAT airport was full of members of the Nation flying in for the game!
The hell the Cowboys are America’s team!
January 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Hire Trestman as OC, let him take over as interim HC once Dennis is fired during the bye.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
*wait that wasn’t that game. It was on his birthday.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Kaufman
I think the best-case scenario that allows us to trade down is if the Chiefs and Jags pass on LT Luke Joeckel for some reason.
Then, teams like the Eagles and Cardinals would be fighting to move to that #3 spot to draft him.
January 15th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Right on England.
I was in Georgia a few months ago and saw Raider fans at the airport there on their way to the Dolphins game.
America’s team. (bad choice of game to go to, but still
)
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Dang, I’d forgotten how good Jacoby Ford has been / can be again with the right OC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZcC86Uucx4
January 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
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A guard??? Not when we have so many other needs.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Ford is a straight up game changer that can’t seem to make the ordinary catch or stay healthy.
One of my favs though.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
I think in hind sight if gm’s ghad it to do over I think a guy like Hutchinson MAY go top 5
January 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
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Yes
January 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
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A guard??? Not when we have so many other needs.
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In the event we cant trade down.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
@alex7
No trade with the Seahawks?
Someone said they have 10 picks this year.
Carroll wants a top pass rusher, they seem pretty close…Is there an elite pass rusher worth it?
January 15th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
A guard in the top 3??
Don’t see it.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I do believe Warmack is worth taking, but a guard at the #3 position is not worth it.
I hope the Raiders draft him, but move back 2-4 spots and get him.
If Joeckel is still on the board, no reason to take him at three; someone will move up to draft him; thereby allowing Reggie to move back.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
My picks would be Jones at DE or Star at DT.
Maybe we get some calls if they’re still available, especially Jones.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
What’s the difference between 3 and 7 in the draft?
If Warmack is one of the best players in the draft, forget about what position he plays.
BTW, OG is one of our biggest needs!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
If we cannot trade down; Joeckel has been drafted by either Jacksonville or Kansas City;
means that Werner, Jones, Warmack, and/or Geno, 3 out of 4 will still be available;
we’ll be able to trade down
January 15th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Who in the draft can help us score more points???
Take those guys.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Remember, in the next 3 months there is always some workout warrior freak that might slip into the top 3 which could help our cause.
Think Werner….or is it Vehrner?
January 15th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Pryor is 6′ 5″ 230 and runs a 4.3 40.raiders have a #1 wr.hail satan
January 15th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
OLine;
Vehldeer Warmack Wisniewski Nix Long
Raiders OLine for a decade
January 15th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I don’t see how the QB starved Chiefs or Jags don’t take a QB.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
manassamauler Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Pryor is 6′ 5″ 230 and runs a 4.3 40.raiders have a #1 wr.hail satan
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Seems like everyone has asked Prior to convert to receiver.
The guy’s determined to be a QB but you can’t help but wonder.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
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No. And Barret Jones is a better prospect.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
if a guard is dominant like Warmack i’d take him and put him at lg move wiz to rg and find a center in fa
January 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
You guys dont think Warmack is worth taking at #3?
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No. And Barret Jones is a better prospect.
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Barret Jones is not a better prospect, Warmack is a top 15 projected pick while Barret is expected to go in the second maybe even 3rd.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
alex7 Says:
Could have kept Joe Nedney and drafted Shaun Alexander instead of Jano. Sigh.
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Al Davis historically appreciated the importance of the kicking game more than most other GM’s, to his credit. And Al Davis would not have spent a first round draft pick on a kicker or assembled the core of the greatest special teams ever had he known they wouldn’t be the icing on a cake of a dominant and perennial playoff/superbowl contender. Which has to be your mindset to be a winner. Didn’t work out, but revisionist what if’s absoutely never do. I wonder how many playoff games we’d of won with Joe Nedney and Shaun Alexander?
January 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Warmack is just the kind of roadgrader we need on the line.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
I guess my thinking on ANY offensive player is there is absolutely no one there to be had in this draft that high that outweighs taking a defensive player.
Just a weak ass draft really.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Barret Jones is not a better prospect, Warmack is a top 15 projected pick while Barret is expected to go in the second maybe even 3rd.
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Whoever told you that is out of their minds.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Just a weak ass draft really.
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Seems whenever we are at the top of the draft it is a weak ass draft.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Barret Jones is not a better prospect, Warmack is a top 15 projected pick while Barret is expected to go in the second maybe even 3rd.
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Whoever told you that is out of their minds.
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Well I guess todd mcshay and mel kiper and every mock draft is out of their minds. lol u are in the minority brother Warmack is a beast and a lot stronger than Jones.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
eff it draft the biggest fastest reciever and cut criner…
January 15th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
I think we’ve got the right man for the job to figure this out though. If we get ’stuck’ with the 3rd overall pick I do not expect to see a ‘reach’ by McKenzie as we are all so used to seeing in previous drafts.
My money is on Star if we have the #3. Replace 92 with another 92. Just a meaner one!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Well I guess todd mcshay and mel kiper and every mock draft is out of their minds. lol u are in the minority brother Warmack is a beast and a lot stronger than Jones.
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I think Warmack will go a few slots before Jones but Jones will not last til the second round. Personally I think Jones is going to be a better Pro player. Jones is the leader of that 3 time Bama National Champion team. And lst team All American. Not bad.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Just a weak ass draft really.
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Seems whenever we are at the top of the draft it is a weak ass draft.
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I was thinking the same thing however we did have a shot to draft Megatron I’m still pissed about that and now he’s the best wr in the league and our pick is out of the league big Al really blew that one and crabtree pick too.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Right on England.
I was in Georgia a few months ago and saw Raider fans at the airport there on their way to the Dolphins game.
America’s team. (bad choice of game to go to, but still )
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Lol.
I’m not suggesting that the Raiders should call themselves that. I’m just suggesting that Dallas isn’t as popular a team all over the country as Dallas likes to think.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
But we still need to go defense, defense, defense, defense, defense, defense in this draft.
Tarver is next to go if we play like last year. I hate asking for someone to lose their job but that defense was f’ing awful!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
OLine;
Vehldeer Warmack Wisniewski Nix Long
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Bishop was working OK as center at the beginning of the year until Knapp decided to move little Wiz there.
Move Wiz back to LG since McFadden was running on that Wiz/Veldheer combination.
As center Wiz lacks strength and size.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Dont get me wrong I like Barret but Warmack is so strong and poewerful he just moves guys aside and in the SEC that is saying something.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
FWIW
scout or draftnik / projected Raider pick
Todd McShay / Bjoern Werner
Rob Rang / Jarvis Jones
Gil Brandt / Geno Smith
Albert Breer / Barkevious Mingo
Dane Brugler (CBS Sportsline) / Barkevious Mingo
Walter Football / Star Lotulelei
Also, McShay and Scouts Inc. have Star as their overall #1 rated prospect.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
OK alex, wtf is FWIW?
January 15th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
DRAFT OLINE SAINT!!!! gotta protect Palmer and gotta open those wholes for Dmac so we can get that 2010 2011noffense back, that will make the D better alone.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
craptree sucks aszz he had two catches…please..
January 15th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
FWIW
scout or draftnik / projected Raider pick
Todd McShay / Bjoern Werner
Rob Rang / Jarvis Jones
Gil Brandt / Geno Smith
Albert Breer / Barkevious Mingo
Dane Brugler (CBS Sportsline) / Barkevious Mingo
Walter Football / Star Lotulelei
Also, McShay and Scouts Inc. have Star as their overall #1 rated prospect.
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When everyone is all over the board you know that cannot be good.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Gil Brandt has Warmack going #4 to the Eagles.
McShay has Warmack going #10.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Knocking blog fav arron rodgers out of the playoffs in the process marked the final realization that the new qb prototype relagets palmer to the scrap heap of unfulfilled breams and bungledom forever.
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blog fave? f any player not on the raiders. anyone who wants pryor to fail needs to question their loyalty to the raiders same as anyone who wants palmer to fail. all of a sudden you’re high on kaepernick? after all the praise for pryor you want geno? pistol o looking definitely becoming the thing in the nfl, but how’d joe webb look to you?
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all of a sudden?
no, however i did have pryor higher on my list when they were in college.
Joe webb looked like a guy that has not played all year making his 3rd nfl start and only told he would start about an hour or so before the game.
funny thing is he played better than ponder has in a couple of games this year and last.
webb is fine, he isnt as good as wilson kappy pryor or rgIII.
I see i stepped on your hero worship….TOO FUGGIN BAD
January 15th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Seymour, kinda sad huh! Just shows how many holes the Raiders have.
Really can’t go wrong filling any of those needs:
DT, OLB, DE, OL, QB, CB…
January 15th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Kaufman
FWIW = for what it’s worth
January 15th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Bring in. A real OC to get the offense rolling and bring me a couple of hookers.hail satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
craptree sucks aszz he had two catches…please..
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I prefer crabtee over dhb, I did at that time and I still do.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
OK mistic, you know I despise your disposition, but I think you have a very good knowledge of the college game. That being said, who do you think(non-QB) we should take at the #3 if we have to??
Thanks
January 15th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
no oc without a comprehensive plan for installing pryor
go hybrid or go home
Peace
January 15th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
250, I agree, dddddddefense….Mix in a wide receiver, good to go!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Pryor is a beast Wr.hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
OK, that’s about what I expect.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
ANY guitar players out there? I have a question.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I dont think the pistol or read option O is hard to install it is after all a college offense.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
No east, please…..don’t go there!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Crabtree’s final 5 regular seasons games this year:
11 catches 101 yards
11 catches 93 yards
12 catches 107 yards
9 catches 65 yards
13 catches 172 yards
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Install Pryor as the outside WR.Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Tyrone Wheatley signed with bills as RB coach.. bummer
KC signed Taub as ST coach, mega bummer..
January 15th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
281
WOW!
Guess his foot is all better.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
CrabLice didnt want to play for us…. Moving on…
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Crabtree’s final 5 regular seasons games this year:
11 catches 101 yards
11 catches 93 yards
12 catches 107 yards
9 catches 65 yards
13 catches 172 yards
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Yeah ill take that, seems dhb will never have a stretch like that.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
CrabLice didnt want to play for us…. Moving on…
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Nobody wanted to play for us… Moving on…
January 15th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
DHB is once. Again. Known. As drops hella balls. LUCIFER RISING
January 15th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Crabtree’s final 5 regular seasons games this year:
11 catches 101 yards
11 catches 93 yards
12 catches 107 yards
9 catches 65 yards
13 catches 172 yards
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Yeah ill take that, seems dhb will never have a stretch like that.
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That’s a fact.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
@ 278,
I can hardly call myself a guitar player but I play at it.
January 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Our version of the tripletts (Russell.Mcfadden.DHB) turned out to be three busts…Funny thing Al said he was leaving us this gift even longer after he passed… The gift turned out to be a bag of dog schit…
January 15th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
manassamauler Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
DHB is once. Again. Known. As drops hella balls. LUCIFER RISING
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are you alright guy? whats with all the satan stuff?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
OK 290, question.
Why after a month or so does my high E string pitch start to oscillate when played in the higher register? If I replace my strings the problem goes away.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Sorry Saint, that is beyond me.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Thanks 2cents.
I dont know either
January 15th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Guitar George, he knows all the chords, strictly rythym, he doesn’t want to make it cry or sing.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
the Raiders interviewed Bruce DeHaven for their special teams coordinator vacancy. DeHaven is well regarded and currently works for the Buffalo Bills.
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sweet!
January 15th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Fire Allen.
Hire Trestman.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
great donkey db coach got fired over/under on how close he and DA are?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
How long is it going to take to hire our O.C? Hire the guy and start planning on how we’ll approach on offense next year and who we’ll target in the draft and F.A.
Hate this waiting around shet. Are we going to wait until the SuperBowl is over so we can get denied talking to o.c candidates.
Go Raiders!
January 15th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Seems like most prefer Trestman, but I dont think that Carson and the WCO is a good fit we need a oc that likes to go down field.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
East,
Is that what Trestman runs in Canada? I don’t follow Canadian football, only the bacon.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Miami,
thats what he ran with Gannon.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Miami you dont remeber that dink and dunk offense we ran with brown rice and gannon?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Crabtree’s final 5 regular seasons games this year:
11 catches 101 yards
11 catches 93 yards
12 catches 107 yards
9 catches 65 yards
13 catches 172 yards
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Yeah ill take that, seems dhb will never have a stretch like that.
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That’s a fact.
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Diva finally did come on later in this year maybe Kappy had somethin to do with it, I still wouldn’t want him on the Raiders, he talked schit before the draft on us and thats one of many reasons we didn’t draft him.
DHB was getting better every year until this year, but its hard to blame him when the whole offense regressed so damn much across the board. he had a few good stretches last year though, heres a couple 4 game stretches from last year first from week 3-6 and then 14-17,
3-6
Rec. Yds.
4 115
7 99
6 82
5 89
14-17
Rec. Yds.
5 78
8 155
4 70
9 130
If ya look at last years stats Crab Divas and DHBs are very similar, DHB had 3 100 yard games and Crab only had 1. DHB regressed this year along with the whole offense, DA and the new regime must of thought the main reason was coaching (other wise why fire Knapp), I like DHB and believe he will restructure to stay here.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
ANY guitar players out there? I have a question.
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What do you need to know?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
I know but I also agree with you that the WCO won’t work with Palmer. Maybe Tres can bring in a “new wave offense”?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Seymour, see 293.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I like that DHB is a hard worker but he just seems too stiff to ever become a cosistent big play wr and solidify his status as a #7 overall pick.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Miami you dont remeber that dink and dunk offense we ran with brown rice and gannon?
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Of course! My question was, does he still run the same in Canada? I don’t watch Canadian football and was wondering if Tres had changed it up a bit or not.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
OK 290, question.
Why after a month or so does my high E string pitch start to oscillate when played in the higher register? If I replace my strings the problem goes away.
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You are talking about the high E meaning pitch high correct? It could be a couple of things. The strings are probably getting grooved because of the frets. Have you tried a heavier gauge string?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
I know but I also agree with you that the WCO won’t work with Palmer. Maybe Tres can bring in a “new wave offense”?
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If I were the GM I would go hard after the 9ers OC.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Miami you dont remeber that dink and dunk offense we ran with brown rice and gannon?
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Of course! My question was, does he still run the same in Canada? I don’t watch Canadian football and was wondering if Tres had changed it up a bit or not.
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I would think he runs the same O, havent seen an OC change their philosophy.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
great donkey db coach got fired over/under on how close he and DA are?
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we have enough db’s getting burned no thanks
January 15th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
I know but I also agree with you that the WCO won’t work with Palmer. Maybe Tres can bring in a “new wave offense”?
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If I were the GM I would go hard after the 9ers OC.
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Especially if we can mix in some Pryor in there as well. I like the idea.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Why would the Niners OC leave them for the same position with the Raiders?
January 15th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Two, could he be offered assistant head coach/o.c and lured with a bigger contract?
I thought the same thing.
January 15th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Spent 8yrs in the Navy as a Navy Corpsman and we learned all our traditions/slang in boot camp. Scuttlebutt was the water fountain/sink. Thinking back, we usually go to the water fountain meet up with our shipmates who were also thirsty and end up talking about who got the clap on the last port of call and how much they cried when we gave him his penicillin shot in the arse!! (with a square needle) Hence the term “squids huddled around the scuttlebutt carrying out the plan of the day”. Oh and this was before HIPPA.
Other terms:
gig line: Pant zipper line that is even with your belt edge and shirt
Bulkhead: Wall
Head/latrine/bathroom: we were on bathroom detail once and we were talking (not supposed to) and our Company Commander yelled out “why do I hear voices in my head!!” we busted out laughing and got mashed for it.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
OK 290, question.
Why after a month or so does my high E string pitch start to oscillate when played in the higher register? If I replace my strings the problem goes away.
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When’s the last time you had a setup? Could be your intonation.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Geno Smith’s best skill, is a skill that is dire to success in the NFL, and that is precision accuracy in the intermediate game.
Kiper compares Geno to Drew Bledsoe and I completely see the comparision. Tall guys with quick releases, not at all quick or fast.
Although Drew ran a 4.7 forty coming out of college and I am not sure Geno will push that time.
I always compared Geno to Matt Ryan, but I think Drew is a better comparision.
Just can’t shake those few times this year of Smith looking so incredibly uncomfortable this year. Never took much punishment, concerned he is in for some sticker-shock in the NFL.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
My job has got me in Seattle this week and last and listening to the local sport radio is all Seahawk crying in their soup. This town is so upset. Not much anger, just a feeling of getting kicked in the jewel sack. It’s quite entertaining. But llok out, those bastards might be good next year, or they’ll have the playoff letdown season. Doubt Pete will let that happen. 10 fckn draft picks. To Seattles credit, Wilson is the real deal.
Seattle fans so different fron Nation fans. We want heads to roll after losses. Seahawk fans want a group hug.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
We all know Big Reg relies on his “gut” to make decisions. So, if you’re really passionate about the Raiders drafting a certain guy, you should:
1) find out when Reg is reviewing tape of that guy.
2) Sneak into Raiders HQ that day.
3) Substitute in some reduced-calorie mayo into Big Reg’s daily mayo, butter and lard sandwich.
4) Just wait for the big fella’s tummy to be a rumblin early that afternoon while he’s watching your prospect’s tape, and voila, Reg’s gut will speak to him right on cue.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Pete Carroll most likely losing his OC and DC. But Pete has a lot of energy, unlike our boy wonder. We honestly need Gruden back. A coach who gets his mind wrapped in the game and the players feed off his energy. A head coach who beats the energy into you. Our boy wonder looks like a student in the class room trying his best to grasp what the game is teaching. We really need Gruden back. I wish there was a logical explanation why he is not here. A reason. Something to say, ‘OK, I understand’.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
4) Just wait for the big fella’s tummy to be a rumblin early that afternoon while he’s watching your prospect’s tape, and voila, Reg’s gut will speak to him right on cue.
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My money says Reggies gut roars. The type of roar that stops administrative personel in their tracks when their walking down the halls.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Po Tatersak Says:
Seattle fans so different fron Nation fans. We want heads to roll after losses. Seahawk fans want a group hug.
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All the hippies went north after the movement died. Or disco was born. I forget which.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
glad Sandy Eggo got McCoy instead of Arians or Bradley!!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
This is somewhat of the email I sent the Raiders Sunday night:
Dear Raider folks, Please get on with the hiring of our offensive cordinator so we can proceed forward. At some point, sooner than later, we will begin to lag behind our AFC West foes. I hope you all are burning the midnight oil, because game planning does not sleep. Good luck, and if I may be of any assistance, please contact me.
And then I signed it with my contact info. I have yet to hear a reply from them.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
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Yes. I do. Go Falcons.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Seattle had a tough loss, no doubt. At least they have a heck of a defense and a young rising QB. We have a lazy, talentless team.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
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What is the company line or explanation why we can’t have Gruden for our HC? Does anybody have an answer to that? I may or may not be correct, but hasn’t Gruden showed some ‘hints’ or regards that he would be interested in coming back?
Simple question: why isn’t Gruden our coach? I really need that one to be explained.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Seymour, I am sure the dome will be loud and CK could have problems. He has only looked like a great QB in 2 of his 8 games. You would not know that by listening to the media here. Go Falcons!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Po tatersak–no one called u? Odd that they wouldn’t seek the help of a random fan.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
I hear ya Tatersak, I can’t fathom why Gruden has not been brought back. I keep hoping to hear DA has been canned and Gruden has come home to save this trainwreck of a franchise.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Po, I sent Al Davis a letter back in the late 80’s and received a letter back from Amy Trask with a Raider hat. Who did you send the email to? They need to know how angry and sad Raider fans are feeling. 10 years of agony is very tough.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Seattle had a tough loss, no doubt. At least they have a heck of a defense and a young rising QB. We have a lazy, talentless team.
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I really think players feed off their head coach, or they are energized by the HCs brilliance. It starts at the top with coaching. Trickle down effect if you like, but none the less, it starts with coaching. Carroll is high paced. He’s a leave no stone unturned kind of guy, covers all the bases. I really believe in coaching. Always have. All the teams that made the playoffs have a good coaching staff. Obviously, some are better. The cream rises to the top.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
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That’s fine……don’t let the door hit you in the a$$ on the way out.Gruden quite frankly blew!!!Look at the two teams he had and was run out on a rail by both.
I believe there are openings for weeping fans in Denver
January 15th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Simple question: why isn’t Gruden our coach?
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Because he doesn’t want to be our coach
January 15th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
So what’s the answer to this mess, Twinkle? Stay the course, we may have a real team in 2 years?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Po, I sent Al Davis a letter back in the late 80’s and received a letter back from Amy Trask with a Raider hat. Who did you send the email to? They need to know how angry and sad Raider fans are feeling. 10 years of agony is very tough
feedback@raiders.com
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The one off the Raider web site.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
I understand that, Po. That’s why Belichick may get to his 6th Super Bowl in 12 years. That would have been excellent 30 years ago. In today’s cut throat game, it is beyond belief!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Po tatersak–no one called u? Odd that they wouldn’t seek the help of a random fan.
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Like I really think they will. My point was the sarcasm was to let them know I think they need outside help. Bottom of the food chain help. Obviously their struggling to get the job done in a timely manner while all the other teams are strapping it on.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Here I sit cheeks a flexin giving birth to another 4-12 season.Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
We have no QB, and when you have no QB, you have no chance.
10 and then
January 15th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
How long is it going to take to hire our O.C? Hire the guy and start planning on how we’ll approach on offense next year and who we’ll target in the draft and F.A.
Hate this waiting around shet. Are we going to wait until the SuperBowl is over so we can get denied talking to o.c candidates.
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That’s a real ass scratcher. Hire a damned OC already.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Kinda wonder about Martz? Not that he would be a good fit, but how it happened?
Did he contact the Raiders with a plan?
Or did the Raiders contact him?
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I think Saunders recommended to McK and DA that they at least talk to Mad Mike Martz. Saunders worked with him before and both are disciples of the Air Coryell offense.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
We have 2 very capable QBs.
Need to upgrade the talent around them.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
No mate it is not that easy.Life is not that easy.We are gonna suck and then suck some more.It doesn’t matter who the hell runs it.Al didn’t give a sh!t about the salary cap so why suddenly is the organization so concerned with it.They aint but it provides high paying jobs for worthless a$$holes like McKenzie and Allen while saying all the right things to all the right people.This is only correctable by the owner and he could give a damn.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
R8drinOK Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
I hear ya Tatersak, I can’t fathom why Gruden has not been brought back. I keep hoping to hear DA has been canned and Gruden has come home to save this trainwreck of a franchise.
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To me, that is our only hope. Salvaging this mess lies at the doorstep of Gruden. Reggie and Mark have to know this.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
J Hill Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
We have 2 very capable QBs.
Need to upgrade the talent around them.
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Need to upgrade at the coaching staff first.
January 15th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Who do u guys want for a QB?
Would any of the “elite” qb’s do any better than Palmer did this yr. with no running game and bad receivers?
January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
We have complete dog crap at QB.
Only teams like KC and Jax make us even look respectable their.
We are not. Brandon Weeden came into our house and shoved it right up Carson’s azz and he stinks.
Blaine Gabbert outdueling Carson for a half?
Pitiful.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
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Yes. I do. Go Falcons.
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Me too. Go Niners. Go Ravens.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Twinkle, other than the Raiders, I have rooted for Atlanta all season because I thought they could beat the 49ers. Now, they get their chance. This is no way to follow the NFL. I am tired of ACCEPTING defeat!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
We have complete dog crap at QB.
Only teams like KC and Jax make us even look respectable their.
We are not. Brandon Weeden came into our house and shoved it right up Carson’s azz and he stinks.
Blaine Gabbert outdueling Carson for a half?
Pitiful.
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We finally agree on something.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Would any of the “elite” qb’s do any better than Palmer did this yr. with no running game and bad receivers?
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Tom Brady wouldn’t even had to have left 4th gear to take us to a wild card.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
We finally agree on something.
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You’ve been tagging along on my Joe Flacco bandwagon for awhile now too, lol
January 15th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Raiders will suck and then draft white Michael Vicky.that cracker can sling it.Hail Satan
January 15th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I am not even sure about Geno Smith being any good, he has some serious bust potential to him.
But I would rather take a flyer on him than draft Luke Joeckel.
Wash and Sea had it right this offseason. They both brought in TWO young QB’s and hoped one worked.
We need to have a similar strategy.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Mike Vicky. Haha Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Pick me pick me….I want the guy that throws for 4000 yards on the sh!ttiest football team I’ve seen in years………………..oh hang on a minute ….we already have that.
There was dude named Barry Sanders who played for the the sh!ttiest team on wheels.Well he could carry a pretty damn good football when he turned his mind to it but within a few yards of breaking Emmit Smiths all time record he up and retired….Detroit could not see fit to draft an Olineman or two…..If we don’t do the same thing….well you know how history has this habit of repeating itself…..
January 15th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
We have complete dog crap at QB.
Only teams like KC and Jax make us even look respectable their.
We are not. Brandon Weeden came into our house and shoved it right up Carson’s azz and he stinks.
Blaine Gabbert outdueling Carson for a half?
Pitiful.
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Weeden had Joe Thomas and Alex Mack blocking with Trent Richardson, Greg Little on his side. Gabbert had MJD, Marcedes Lewis and a decent defense. Who did Palmer have?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
SUP SUP BLOG DWEEBS AND GOOBS
Yawl kno bout my polished weiner lawg. Wax job was somethin else. But it needs to be iced down after standing at attention for over four hours. First I’m gonna chill out while a drop a deuce lawg on the front porch, then have my posse over for a photo shoot, if yawl get my drift.
WHUT WHUT HOLLA FO DEM NUTZ
January 15th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2012/story/_/id/8847757/2013-nfl-playoffs-denver-mayor-hurts-leg-prior-paying-bet
LMAO
January 15th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Gonna go drop a duece.might be a stinker
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
We need to try to be like the Falcons, that is the model for success.
Top 3 QB, Two 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick at WR, all-world TE, vet RB mixed with youngster with different skill set.
And a bunch of schmoes up front outside of LT.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Greg Little????
That dude is the worst WR in the NFL, the only guy with worse hands than DHB.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
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January 15th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Gonzales still looks so good. The dudE is clutch, still.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Just dropped a deuce so mean it refused to go down the toilet. No shlt! Had to take a broom handle and mash it to peices, still would go down. Then it started spitting at me. Then I took the plunger and beat the crap out of it. I eventually won the battle, but it wasn’t pretty. Holla.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Falcons also have a solid kicker, so at least we are on even ground there, lol.
Seriously though, sending Roddy White, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzales out on a route with Quizz Rodgers out of the backfield is sickening.
There is no defending that. Seattle averaged 15 ppg allowed on the season and got doubled up.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
[...] More scuttlebutt on Raiders coaching vacancies The Raiders still haven’t said a word about head coach Dennis Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie interviewing candidates for their four coaching vacancies — offensive coordinator, offensive line, special teams coordinator and lineb… [...]
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Just excorcised 5pounds worth of demons.had to flush an extra time it was war.hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
We finally agree on something.
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You’ve been tagging along on my Joe Flacco bandwagon for awhile now too, lol
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Glad to see you finally come to your senses on Palmer. And Flacco? I think I’ve made it pretty clear that I’m a fan of any QB that has an elite skillset, especially a rocket arm.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
I believe that will be the downfall for the 49ers this weekend.
Samuel and Robinson will take out Crabtree for the most part, so what other WR is going to open up the field for them?
I don’t think they will be able to keep up with ATL in the dome.
Last time Colin and the 49ers were in doors, they lost and looked lifeless in St. Louis.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Glad to see you finally come to your senses on Palmer.
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Since really the Bucs game, but I gave him a tad of a pass until the Ravens game, when he quit after falling down on 4th down.
Didn’t even try to get up, roll, anything. Just quit.
Not a winner. Tom Brady throws it from his azz and draws a PI call or something.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
I’m betting on both the Niners and Pats and hoping they BOTH lose.
I actually think Ravens will beat Brady this time.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Falcons also have a solid kicker, so at least we are on even ground there, lol.
Seriously though, sending Roddy White, Julio Jones and Tony Gonzales out on a route with Quizz Rodgers out of the backfield is sickening.
There is no defending that. Seattle averaged 15 ppg allowed on the season and got doubled up.
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Don’t forget Harry Douglass. It’s criminal to have all those weapons. Jones and White aren’t just #1 receivers, they’re all world #1s! Seattle did a hell of a job clamping down in the second half though. Started bringing 5-man pressures and Matt Weak Link started to fck up. Too bad that 5-man pressure didn’t get home on his last two passes though.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Maybe if CP had a REAL OC and running game behind him things would have been different this year?
Oh wait…they got rid of the legit OC and the efficient running game from the year before. Ooops…
January 15th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
377. I like the strategy on SF, but if SF wins I want NE to win.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Don’t forget Harry Douglass.
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3rd round pick as your #3 WR.
Clutch grab on an ALL-WORLD throw by Matty on the last drive.
ATL still scored 10 points in the 2nd half, when Seattle only averages giving up 15 a game.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Glad to see you finally come to your senses on Palmer.
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Since really the Bucs game, but I gave him a tad of a pass until the Ravens game, when he quit after falling down on 4th down.
Didn’t even try to get up, roll, anything. Just quit.
Not a winner. Tom Brady throws it from his azz and draws a PI call or something.
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His “quitting” on the Bengals should have been a big tipoff. Lol!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Seymour…he had squat…that’s who…..I was fortunate enough to be able to attend the Tampa game and saw what I thought to be impossible.Palmer hit Moore with two fastballs between his numbers….the ones on his back!!!!!And the one hander by DHB that he caught without turning at full speed down the right sideline from one of the best throws I have ever seen….Hey I’ll be here…..I’ve seen the best NFL team ever (1976 Raiders) I can deal with watching the worst.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Scott toilet paper is ass gentle ands doesn’t seem to
clog the toilet like charmin.2 thumbs up
January 15th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
I like Bill Simmons trade value articles.
Wonder what it would take to get say, a Tom Brady in a trade.
You think every draft pick in the next 2 years would do it? Yeah..prob not.
Matty Ice? I bet we could get him for Veldheer, Houston, our entire 2013 draft and 2014’s 1st and 2nd.
Let’s make it happen!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
The Patriots will put 40 on the Ravens.
Patriots running game is too good. Not to mention Brady.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Over Ray Lewis’s dead body
January 15th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Ravens play the Pats tougher than just about anybody else.
Flacco is one of the few people on Earth who looks Tom in the proverbial eyes and matches him throw for throw.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Belichick and Brady don’t even flinch at the sight of Lewis. They’re laughing at the thought of Lewis covering Vereen out of the backfield.
If Broncos put up 34 on them…
Patriots will do 40.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Here’s one for all y’all…..John Madden had no OC…..he said that the best one he knew also happened to be our QB.Hey Mark …..give the Snake a call.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
The Patriots will put 40 on the Ravens.
Patriots running game is too good. Not to mention Brady.
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And the Ravens will put up 41. Already saw this game in September.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
And still lose
January 15th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Hey Debo we agree on something…..who would have thought?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Tom Brady takes the Raiders to the playoffs????
How?
Are we running a shotgun offense?
DHB becomes an all world WR with Brady throwing the pelota?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Don’t get me wrong. I do not like the Pats. But, the way it stands, let Brady get his 4th to tie Montana and Bradshaw and then enough of these guys. Their run for 12 years has been incredible!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
And the Ravens will put up 41. Already saw this game in September.
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Regular season is different than postseason.
Remember, the Donkeys went into Balitmore and beat them by 30.
Pats beat the Jets 45-7 in the regular season a few years ago, then lost in the postseason.
Different animal, although I do agree that the Ravens stand a great chance in this game because of who their QB is.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Tom Brady takes the Raiders to the playoffs????
How?
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Dude, Brady changes most of all his WR and RB’s not named Welker damn near every year.
He would figure it out.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Palmer isn’t good enough to overcome a fading DMac and avg WRs.
He can certainly throw it to a Dwayne Bowe and a high draft pick.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Draft Warmack, draft a wave of the future TE in rd 3, sign Dwayne Bowe.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
When sufffering from mud butt you should flush the toilet halfway through your wipe session to prevent clogging food for thought.Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
But his TEs remain the same.
Moss and Welker were legit man. Cmon.
Put Brady in a Krapp ran ZBS WCO with our roster, and Brady misses the playoffs.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Reggie & DA do convince Trestman to return as the Raiders OC, any chance, he will bring his QB, Anthony Cavelli with him.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Put Brady in a Krapp ran ZBS WCO with our roster, and Brady misses the playoffs.
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You think Brady would listen to him?
Or any organization would insist Tom Brady defer to Greg Knapp?
Come on man!!!
January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
We need a new TE.
Palmer put up garbage stats, Myers put together maybe the biggest garbage-time season of meaningless stats.
Could be a great backup, but a wave of the future TE is a necessity.
Like the kid from UCLA a lot.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
I’m not with a gimmick 2 QB system either. The starter needs to play the whole game.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
And the Ravens will put up 41. Already saw this game in September.
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Regular season is different than postseason.
Remember, the Donkeys went into Balitmore and beat them by 30.
Pats beat the Jets 45-7 in the regular season a few years ago, then lost in the postseason.
Different animal, although I do agree that the Ravens stand a great chance in this game because of who their QB is.
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Watched the 1st half of the Denver/Balt game. Denver got out to a 10-pt lead. Flacco drove them down inside the 5-yard line at the end of the half, then promptly served up a pick-6 to Carter. Huge swing there that made the game look worse than it was. And even though NE destroyed the Jets in that game, they split their two games that season. Just think GB/SF during week 1. The only real change was that Kappy was starting. Pounded them worse than they did the first time.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
We draft this way or we are dead.
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January 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
So Brady would have told the OC that we are scrapping the offense featuring 20, and we are going shotgun?
No ZBS plays from under the center?
January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Twinkle Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Hey Debo we agree on something…..who would have thought?
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Crazy.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Patriots O >> Ravens O
Patriots D >> Ravens D
Patriots 30, Ravens 20
January 15th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
I’m not with a gimmick 2 QB system either.
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Just say no to the circus act offenses.
January 15th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
No ZBS plays from under the center?
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Pats run plenty of ZBS.
Go look at their first TD run last weekend.
You have 3 of the lineman cut at the snap, everyone else went horizontal.
And the RB walked in.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Dwayne Bowe is going to get offers from teams/QBs in MUCH better situations than ours.
San Diego, Minnesota, Carolina, St. Louis, Seattle, Cincy, and Miami will throw mucho dinero his way and have better QB situations (younger or more talented).
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
The next stage on our conquistador mission is to protest the newest thread, and hang out back here and not comment on the new ones.
Make them beg for us to come back.
Beg!!!!!
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This would be awesome!!!
Loved the idea, Vegas!!
But nobody cares. JMac, Cork , and Becker only look in when KK snitches( he’s the only one to admit it so far)
We can talk on the very first post in July of 2005! I’ll go say hi and anybody else can respond. Check it out
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2005/07/31/day-3-top-secret-scouting-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1221311
January 15th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Look we have had gutsfull of the ZBS….It reduced two really good olinemen to mediocrity.Visor sucks and that is all there is to it.The only good thing out of Denver is a roadsign that has An I and a number after it.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Twinkle
the Chiefs and Browns have spent many #1 picks on OL and DL.
Does you no good if you don’t have play-makers.
We can draft ANYTHING and improve.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
There is so much talk about Atlanta being a finesse team, yet they destroyed the Champs 34-0, while the 49ers were buried by NYG 26-3. Atlanta must be fired up being a 4.5 point underdog at HOME, where they are very tough to beat!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Dwayne Bowe is going to get offers from teams/QBs in MUCH better situations than ours.
San Diego, Minnesota, Carolina, St. Louis, Seattle, Cincy, and Miami will throw mucho dinero his way and have better QB situations (younger or more talented)..
January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
I’ve had many beers and am here till I’m not. But I can go back in time, to July 2005. Say hi. Iy’s easy.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2005/07/31/day-3-top-secret-scouting-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1221311
January 15th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
urvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
The next stage on our conquistador mission is to protest the newest thread, and hang out back here and not comment on the new ones.
Make them beg for us to come back.
Beg!!!!!
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This would be awesome!!!
Loved the idea, Vegas!!
But nobody cares. JMac, Cork , and Becker only look in when KK snitches( he’s the only one to admit it so far)
We can talk on the very first post in July of 2005! I’ll go say hi and anybody else can respond. Check it out
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2005/07/31/day-3-top-secret-scouting-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1221311
count me in you REBELS lol! Would be hella funny and would serve them right.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
”The haters keep us going. So keep your hate coming. We love it. It makes us play with a chip on our shoulder.” Asante Samuel said this after the Falcons beat up the Giants.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
I can hear it now. What year you at, bro?
January 15th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
It’s fun, ain’t it? Should you use proper punctuation in a word like ain’t?
January 15th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Dinner should help, but I’m not helping with dinner so it’s late.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
We need a new TE.
Palmer put up garbage stats, Myers put together maybe the biggest garbage-time season of meaningless stats.
Could be a great backup, but a wave of the future TE is a necessity.
Like the kid from UCLA a lot.
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We need an athletic TE that can block too.
I can’t understand why we can’t use Reece like the Pats use A Hernandez.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
A7 your point is well made….but you must build from the trenches up…..we can’t protect our QB who still performs magnificently but without help will just get killed.We have got by on D with Seymour and not a lot else…safties playing at CB…..it is a clusterfuk…
stabilizing our trenches is mandatory.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Greg Little????
That dude is the worst WR in the NFL, the only guy with worse hands than DHB.
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He caught a nice TD against us in that game.
What kind of defense allows a schmuck like that to make them look bad?
The same defense that has the dubious distinction of giving up the most points in franchise history.
Palmer doesn’t play defense.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Palmer doesn’t play defense.
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Knapp/Palmer couldn’t help the defense either
January 15th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Falcons gonna lay some diareaha on the niners. niners gonna come home stinkin like mudd butt. they can call them selves the diareaha butt niners.
hotlanta falcons 45
raw and ready butt ho niners 35
January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
No Kell but we don’t play very good D.And everyone knows it….ain’t no secrets in the NFL.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Falcans gonna diareaha all over the niners. niners gonna sop it up. hhhmmmmm hhmmm. niners gonna have to get hosed down to wipe all the diareaha off dem. stank and rub. stank and rub. niners lookin fo da tub.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
If Palmer/Knapp could’ve converted 3rd downs, or scored TD’s in the Red Zone. It would have helped the Defense a lot.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Dwayne Bowe is going to get offers from teams/QBs in MUCH better situations than ours.
San Diego, Minnesota, Carolina, St. Louis, Seattle, Cincy, and Miami will throw mucho dinero his way and have better QB situations (younger or more talented)..
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But the niners are gonna have mucho diareaha to clean off.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Sometimes man you make the greatest sense.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
If Palmer/Knapp could’ve converted 3rd downs, or scored TD’s in the Red Zone. It would have helped the Defense a lot.
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Hows that possible? Knapp had to much diareaha in his playbook. whole playbook was soiled so bad you couldn’t read it. thats why Allen had to let him go. stinky playbook. and, the playbook was nasty like bad eggs. really bad eggs. stinky stinky.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Falcons are gonna beat the niners with a rock hard duece and buttery diareaha. niners gonna suck it again.
January 15th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
WHUT WHUT
niners got mudd butt. chapped cheeks. raw rash. talk about a mudder. whoa baby! Falcons gonna cream on the niners. YES.
TURD, WORD!
January 15th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Mud butt
increases likelihood. Of dingleberries.trimming ass hair may be needed. When you’re. Old.words of wisdom.Hail Satan!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
The next stage on our conquistador mission is to protest the newest thread, and hang out back here and not comment on the new ones.
Make them beg for us to come back.
Beg!!!!!
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Lmao. Yeah cuz we can’t get enough of your schytty disgruntled, bar stool loser takes.
What a joke.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
beach Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
323. I have totally lost interest in this team, and I have been a die hard fan since 1972. I think bringing back Gruden may be the only reason for me to buy season tickets in 2013. It is a disgrace. It is really depressing having to see the 49ers and their fans get so excited for having a shot at the Super Bowl. Does anybody else feel the same?
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Beach… I totaly agree about being depressed about the 49ers and fans always having something to get excited about. It doesnt help that I’m a Raiders fan in a family full of 9ers fans. lol
January 15th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
If Palmer/Knapp could’ve converted 3rd downs, or scored TD’s in the Red Zone. It would have helped the Defense a lot.
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Why? It was the same horrible defense from the year before when the offense was in the top third for most of the year.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
8 wins are better than 4 wins. Gdog
January 15th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Twinkle
the Chiefs and Browns have spent many #1 picks on OL and DL.
Does you no good if you don’t have play-makers.
We can draft ANYTHING and improve.
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We have plenty of underachieving play-makers on offense. Hell, an entire roster full of them. And the quickest fix to wins is give them more time with a deep robust OL.
Plus o-linemen are statistically less likely to be busts.
If McK neglects the OL this year I am afraid this franchise is officially the Detroit of the west for years to come.
I don’t see it happening.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Chicken nuggets really give me mudd butt. Must be some bad chicken but that deep fried batter sho is good. Can’t get enough mcnugget so I just live with the mudd butt.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
8 wins are better than 4 wins. Gdog
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Twice as good.
But the defense stunk whether the offense was good or bad both years. Hell. re-watch the Buffalo game if you don’t believe me.
Is that a hard point to follow?
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
man i hope u guys r right about the falcons but unfortunately i see fcking whiners winning and going to the bowl which i will never hear the end of but hopefully im wrong and the falcons pull it off
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
mudd butt = shake a leg
January 15th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
i really wish we would kick DA to the curb wisenhunt would be such a huge upgrade cant believe he gets another year after that horrible performance last year were he was lost and confused all year
January 15th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
man i hope u guys r right about the falcons but unfortunately i see fcking whiners winning and going to the bowl which i will never hear the end of but hopefully im wrong and the falcons pull it off
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dont worry. niners gonna be covered with mucho diarrhea and won’t be able to hold onto the ball. gravy like diarrhea drippin off them is gonna make it tough to throw and catch. Fck the niners.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
biscuits and gravy really give me mudd butt. difficult to get along all day with all that chaffing.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Harbaugh is gonna get out coached and the cameras will be instructed to stay away from him because the mudd butt could get embarrassing. Shake a leg. WHUT WHUT
January 15th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Hate it when dingleberries get stuck in my ass hair.have to rip them out fast like a bandage. HAIL SATAN!
January 15th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
If you want to look at how NOT to draft an NFL team, just look at Detroit.
They drafted TWO O-linemen in the first three rounds since 2003.
Thats crazy.
January 15th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
Knapp/Palmer couldn’t help the defense either.
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Noticed the Knapp/Palmer yesterday, KK. What is a Knapp/Palmer?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Greg Little????
That dude is the worst WR in the NFL, the only guy with worse hands than DHB.
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Greg Little has done in two years slightly less than what DHB has done in four. He can’t be that bad.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
Knapp/Palmer couldn’t help the defense either.
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Noticed the Knapp/Palmer yesterday, KK. What is a Knapp/Palmer?
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You are a dumbass aren’t ya. You want some attention?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
manassamauler Says:
Hate it when dingleberries get stuck in my ass hair.have to rip them out fast like a bandage. HAIL SATAN!
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Klingons around Uranus?
January 15th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Ok.. I think everyone is on hootch tonight… which for the record I in no way have any problem with! lol have a good night
January 15th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
Knapp/Palmer couldn’t help the defense either.
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Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
Noticed the Knapp/Palmer yesterday, KK. What is a Knapp/Palmer?
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KoolKell Says:
You are a dumbass aren’t ya. You want some attention?
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Yes, Kell, very dumb. Explain it to us. What does Knapp/Palmer refer to? Was it a cabal? A conspiracy? Did they like each other? Were they working in cahoots to play badly?
Enlighten us, if you will.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Yes, Kell, very dumb. Explain it to us. What does Knapp/Palmer refer to? Was it a cabal? A conspiracy? Did they like each other? Were they working in cahoots to play badly?
Enlighten us, if you will.
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You’re too stupid football wise at least, to be bothered with.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
All that mud butt is scratching the polish off my nads. Gonna have to get the sack re waxed.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Damn shame Green Bay couldn’t beat the diarrhea niners.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Just dropped a lawg in the hot tub. Better get my posse to remove it before my masseurs get here to wax my lawg.
WHUT. WHUT.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
But nobody cares. JMac, Cork , and Becker only look in when KK snitches( he’s the only one to admit it so far)
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Sorry, KK. Forgot about outing you as the only self confessed snitch on the blog. Your vitriol is understandable.
You still make no sense and can’t answer a simple question.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
The Falcons beat Denver, won at Washington, beat Seattle, and simply destroyed the Super Bowl Champ New York Giants. 14-3 record vs. a 12-4-1 team. The 49ers are 0-4-1 every third game. They have not won 3 games in a row all year. They are very beatable. How the heck are they 4.5 point favorites? This should be bulletin board material in the Atlanta locker room. Plus, in a close game, the kicker advantage goes to Atlanta.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
8 wins are better than 4 wins. Gdog
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Can you break that down percentage wise Kell? Careful, now. Advanced math has tripped you up before.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Falcons beat the whiners going away. Not a romp, but they will be winning and knowing it halfway thru’ the 4th.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Gdog Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
8 wins are better than 4 wins. Gdog
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Twice as good.
But the defense stunk whether the offense was good or bad both years. Hell. re-watch the Buffalo game if you don’t believe me.
Is that a hard point to follow?
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That Buffalo game was on everyone, but mainly Hue. The team came out to play early on both sides of the ball. When the third quarter came around, Buffalo made adjustments on offense and defense then successfully dominated the rest of the game. The Raider coaches didn’t respond well to the success they had in the first half and the players weren’t able to keep it up either.
The defense gave up that big lead, but the offense was also stagnant and turning the ball over.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
As someone who doesn’t hate the niners, I think they win a close one.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
A couple months ago Hub Arkush made his famous “announcement” that Gruden was headed back to Oakland. The editor of Pro Football Weekly and featured reporter on the PFW TV show, radio analyst for Monday Night Football games, resident football “expert” for Chicago’s 670 The Score, and respected 30 yr’ veteran “insider” on the NFL, later backtracked just a bit by stating a few days later that although he wasn’t CERTAIN that Gruden would be coming to Oakland he was 100% CERTAIN that a meeting took place between Mark Davis and Gruden to discuss Gruden coming to Oakland.
In the original announcement he stated that Gruden would be coming to take on a ’significant role’ with the organization which Arkush assumed would be control of personnel along with HC duties. Hub was “not sure” of where that would leave McKenzie, but Hub’s “sources” informed him that McKenzie would most likey stay, but in what capacity he was not sure exactly.
A few days after that Arkush reiterated the Gruden rumor and stood by it. During a broadcast on “the Score”, he acknowledged the stern and vehement denial by the Raiders PR rep Zak Gilbert and stated that he had exchanged e-mails with Zak. Hub stated that he apologized for the timing of the reporting of the story but also informed Zak that he is standing by what his sources reported to him about Gruden. Hub further stated that Gilbert and he had “an understanding now”.
During this same broadcast Hub attempted to clarify the “story” on Gruden by stating that he is “100 % CERTAIN” that Gruden would be coaching in the NFL in 2013. This was in response to a caller who was questioning Hub on his original claims. Hub went on to say that although he was certain Gruden would coach in 2013 he was not certain that it would be with the Raiders. He went on to say that it was “his opinion” that it would most likely be with Oakland because of Mark Davis offering him control of personnel.
The caller asked Hub how much he trusted his sources on this matter and Hub laughed and said he “never would have made such an announcement” if he wasn’t absolutely true of it’s accuracy. Hub said he “checked, double checked, and triple checked” his sources to make sure it was for real and he was “100% confident” it was true and accurate.
Since then…and this was around mid December, we have not heard a single word about this “story”. You will not find any follow up reports on his PFW website and Hub has not mentioned it since that I am aware of.
With Dennis Allen being allowed to run the end of yr. presser and announce the firing of four coaches on staff and hearing nothing from the Raiders suggesting Gruden is coming it’s a dead issue now and has been quickly forgotten.
My question is whatever happened to Arkush being “100% certain” Gruden would be coaching in the NFL in 2013? Forget about coming to Oakland, what happened to that aspect?
Is it curious to anyone else that Gruden’s name has not been brought up as being interviewed for ANY open HC gigs yet? It was reported early that Gruden might be on Philly’s radar, or maybe SD but we’ve heard nothing.
I would like to know someday how all this got started and who these sources are that Arkush trusted to make such claims as he did, and why Hub was so CERTAIN they were true, and why now we hear NOTHING as a follow up.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Sorry for the long post above, but I hope that big claim from Arkush doesn’t just get forgotten. The timing of it was bad with DA being in Texas at the time at his dad’s bedside while he was dying and for him to make all these claims about his certainty of the Gruden thing and he stirs all this crap up and then just hopes everyone forgets and continues to revere him as this reputable league insider.
It appears that this “insider” and his “sources” are just garbage and I wish someone would call him up on it if Gruden is still in the MNF booth when the season starts…which appears will be the case.
January 15th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
rediaR Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
As someone who doesn’t hate the niners, I think they win a close one.
>> nothin finer than a fruity niner!
January 15th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
for the record I’ve been using Scott toilet paper but the ultra soft feel of Charmin has me embattled
January 15th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Truth is we’ll never know, DJ. Who knows what discussions have taken place behind closed doors. I’d be willing to bet that any team interested in Gruden would likely contact him on the hush hush, simply because they wouldn’t want to excite their fanbase then have them feel like the team has let them down if they decide on someone else.
Let’s face it, I’ve read the forums/boards and comment sections, fans are generally excited about the prospect of Gruden coaching their team. If they caught wind that he was interviewed but they went with someone else, me thinks there would be some unhappy campers.
I do think Gruden wants to come back at some point. The way he handles himself points to him not wanting to burn any bridges with anyone, players and management alike. Never seems to have a negative word to say about anything or anyone. I think he has the itch but wants the right situation.
I personally think he loves the Nation. He’s always embraced it and soaked it in. He felt like a rockstar here. I think he’d like to rekindle that but we have no way of knowing if the feeling is mutual on Mark’s part or if he’s handing it all over to Reggie to make the call.
I guess, in short, my opinion is there could have been something to it, but there could have also been nothing to it. We’ll never know unless it actually happens. Doesn’t look like it will…at least not this year.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
would be cool if you could buy charminuktrasoft from raiders.com that came with the raiders logo on each square. that would be like winning the superbowl.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
would suck if the QB was leading a fourth Quarter comeback drive and then had a SHAT attack. he might just drop a turd or two right on the field considering how important the game is. thats why you want dark uniforms so fans can’t see the turds running down your leg.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Marc Trestman has been hired as the new HC of the Chicago Bears.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
QB could just use the playbook to poop in. could have crapped in Knapps playbook and improved it. diarrhea cha cha cha
January 15th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
DJ Johnny, I’ve almost gotten over conspiracy theories, but Gruden can only be helped financially by rumors of his return to coaching, as is BSPN, and the NFL(not sure how much that increased publicity helped their coffers, just know it didn’t hurt). If any of that is true, the agents involved will make more money, and are probablly the driving force behind the rumors and half truths. If you could get your client an extra 650,000 dollars and , so , yourself an extra 75,000 dollars, wouldn’t you put a little effort into it, whether true or not? I would.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Marc Trestman has been hired as the new HC of the Chicago Bears.
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Crap, figures.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Trestman. No?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
So Trestman went to the Bears huh.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Still like Mularkey.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Marc Trestman has been hired as the new HC of the Chicago Bears.
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Crap, figures.
>> crap always figures well thats why I use Charmin
January 15th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
So instead of retreating into a shell when the psychologists uncovered your anal tendencies, you decided to embrace them. Good for you. Have you told your shrink that you’re too gutless to get beyond posting about the issue on a football blog and actually talk to mommy and daddy?
January 15th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
ever watch that Friday movie where Cubes father eats some mexican food then gets stuck in gridlock traffic and has to take a massive dump!! love that scene. thats an emergency right there. there could be Armageddon and all you can worry about is dropping a deuce. i like to flood the toilet with feces. ever have one of those exorcist like dumps? where you just keep crapping!! wow i didn’t know my small intestine could hold all that.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
raider football needs are as follows. new HC, new OC, new DC, ST coordinator, new DL coach. they need a RT,RG,C, TE, #1 WR, on offense. the DEFENSE needs a DT,DE,OLB,MLB, #1 CB,#2 CB, FS. all of these players would be starters. raiders are set at QB,RB,LT,LG(maybe),FB and SS. and the Raiders are good at kicking footballs. YEAH!!! now I’m going back to the toilet bowl
January 15th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny, do me a favor amd say hi in 2005.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2005/07/31/day-3-top-secret-scouting-report/comment-page-1/#comment-1221311
January 15th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
So instead of retreating into a shell when the psychologists uncovered your anal tendencies, you decided to embrace them. Good for you. Have you told your shrink that you’re too gutless to get beyond posting about the issue on a football blog and actually talk to mommy and daddy?
>> i only wipe my ass what anal “tendencies” are YOU talking about?!!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
profiler says the anal guy is prisonednd bused.prolly 26 27 ad cmpesating. orno;jst lokin!
January 15th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
>> i only wipe my ass what anal “tendencies” are YOU talking about?!!
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Charmin, you win.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
>> i only wipe my ass what anal “tendencies” are YOU talking about?!!
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Charmin, you win.
> cool so send me a roll of charminultrasoft and we’re cool. try to get the one with the raider Logo on it. I live eat and crap everything raiders.
January 15th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Raiders will draft Johhny Football in 14. that kid needs a seatbelt.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:00 am
weird place we raiders football yes? what the sht other sht?otta time must leave
January 16th, 2013 at 12:03 am
LosMalOsos Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:00 am
weird place we raiders football yes? what the sht other sht?otta time must leave
>>Estoy teniendo una mierda…. plop
January 16th, 2013 at 12:07 am
The Chicago Bears have hired Marc Trestman as their head coach, the Chicago Tribune reported late Tuesday, citing an NFL source.
Another coach hired…….I totally understand Trestman was really never going to be our coordinator, with his resume but…. If we don’t hurry up with this OC hire,we are going to get the bottom of scraps of the coaching pot!
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8848801/chicago-bears-hire-marc-trestman-head-coach
January 16th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Escape from New York! Love this movie AMC starting right now. Might have to burn one and drink a few more. Like I needed an axcuse. Hah.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:09 am
Snake Pliskin? I heard you were….
January 16th, 2013 at 12:13 am
Sh1t charmin. You took a crap in 2005? You’re fckin up the the whole millenia.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:14 am
Random Baseless Prediction Wednesday is finally upon us.
My submission: Chip Kelly will win or come close to winning a NC at Oregon this upcoming season with the help of his Heisman winning QB. He will then leave for the NFL in 2014. After a surprising 7-9 season that improved upon one of the worst of 2013’s NFL teams, he will trade up to draft said 2013 Heisman winner in the first round over the 2012 and 2014 Heisman winner. That’s as far as I looked into the future, sorry.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:16 am
Escape from LA? give me a break! And I know the area. Really bad.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Escape from New York! Love this movie AMC starting right now. Might have to burn one and drink a few more. Like I needed an axcuse. Hah.
>> ever do LSD and take a dump? no joke man its out of this world.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:18 am
The best RBPW all night.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:20 am
Sorry, the best RBPW all morning. Less impressive.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:21 am
#1 is still #1
January 16th, 2013 at 12:32 am
charminultrasoft Says:
ever do LSD and take a dump? no joke man its out of this world.
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Remember being fascinated by my physical being and how I related to the world, but no, I didn’t concentrate on my schitt.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:35 am
rediaR Says:
#1 is still #1
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That works backwards and forwards.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:12 am
So, Lechler did it! Worked his ass off and got $12,000,000 for four years at age 32! Now he’s 36 and not likely to get a 4 year deal for $8,000,000.
Sign him for that as punter/ #3 QB and free up a roster spot, have a great punter and have Palmer and Pryor compete for the number 1 and number 2 spot in 2013. Of course that means Pryor will be #2 and that’s a good thing. A number 3 QB is $600,000 and a pro bowl punter is $2,000,000 so we’re saving money and rolling the dice that maybe we could’ve gone to the Super Bowl with our number 3 QB. When was the last time we used our #3 QB? Frye? Losman?(forget Lionheart vs Pryor right now). The only arguement can be about King on the practice squad. Trade him or let him go. What are the odds we’ll be regretting letting the next Ray Guy/Shane Lechler go 10 years from now?
What is wrong with this scenario? I’m serious.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:17 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
palmer worshipers are scared shidless
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That’s Golden Haired Hero worshiper to you. And capitalize Palmer. He’s earned it.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:20 am
Seymour Bush Says:
You are right that it is not all about stats. It’s about wins and losses. Pryor lost and lost badly. He was down 24-7 going into the fourth quarter against a team that had nothing to play for. And Pryor was awful. I don’t need to see a string of more losses to know where this is headed.
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But he mounted a valiant comeback effort and scored 2 more touchdowns with his leadership, athleticism and will to win, showcasing his courage and competitiveness in an amazing effort that fell just short of the victory he deserved.
Although when Palmer does that he’s padding his stats in garbage time.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:32 am
And let Lechler and Janikowski both retire as Raiders and when they do, take your hat off snd say goodbye to Al Davis and the Raiders you once knew, and cheer on the Velds, Wiz’s and Pryors and then let the man rest in peace.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:32 am
with a Lombardy won by some of his guys.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:47 am
dammit, Trestman bears HC
January 16th, 2013 at 2:15 am
“In a surprise move, the Chicago Bears have hired Marc Trestman — most recently coach of the CFL’s Montreal Alouettes, and a man who has been out of the NFL for eight years — to replace Lovie Smith as head coach, according to a published report.
The Chicago Tribune, quoting “an NFL source,” reported Tuesday that Trestman, 57, would become the Bears’ 14th head coach.
Chicago fired Smith on Dec. 31 after failing to make the playoffs despite the team’s 10-6 record this season.
Trestman won the past two Grey Cups — the CFL’s championship trophy — while compiling a 64-34 record in five seasons north of the border.
Trestman is known as a quarterbacks guru, brought to Chicago to work with the enigmatic Jay Cutler.
Trestman was quarterbacks coach at the University of Miami when the Hurricanes and quarterback Vinny Testaverde won the national championship in 1983.
In the NFL, he was a position coach with Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, San Francisco, Detroit, Arizona, Oakland and Miami. He was offensive coordinator for the Browns in 1989, as Cleveland — with Bernie Kosar at QB — went to the AFC Championship Game.
Besides Kosar, Trestman has mentored quarterbacks Steve Young, Scott Mitchell, Jake Plummer and Rich Gannon in his various jobs.
“The skill set that Marc has, being an offensive mind, and then his great relationships that he’s had with quarterbacks historically in the NFL and the work he’s done with them makes him a good fit for the job,” Alouettes general manager Jim Popp told The Tribune.”
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Looks like no Trestman return to the Raiders,
January 16th, 2013 at 2:35 am
So Trestman is locked to Chicago. So what?! I am confident Big Reggie has a plan up his sleeve.
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You always have to watch out for the strong, secure men like Reggie. I know because I am that type. Nothing to prove except to ourselves.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:37 am
Big Reg is about to put his stamp on the Raiders franchise. I can feel it coming. Bless the organization!
The Oracle
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 am
Win, Lose, or Tie, Raiders ’til I Die!!
Get with it or get lost.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:40 am
Catch the responses on Wednesday, then…..
January 16th, 2013 at 2:42 am
If I am a coach at any level, I want the dream job of guiding THE OAKLAND RAIDERS!
What fool would turn that down?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:43 am
I want Ray Anderson as part of the Raider family. I know he wants to be here, too. Come on Ray.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:47 am
To all the curremt Raiders, love you but new blood is on the way. Show that you cherish your job and position.
IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!!
Check yourself at the door. Like the old school did.
We are talking about THE OAKLAND RAIDERS. We are talking about PRESTIGE!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 3:07 am
Just my two pence/cents worth of gossip.
Was watching the uk’s coverage of the football on Saturday night.The studio guest was Jeff Reinebold.Might not be well known over there but he’s a big name here due to his connection to nfl Europe and sky tv.
The talk was of coaching positions.He seemed to suggest that the qb coach at Green bay was going to move to a bigger and better role in the nfl.
With the Reggie connection don’t be surprised to hear the name Ben McAdoo.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 am
……and Martz.Please no.He’s a loon.Nuts.
Spoke to a work-mate whose a Rams fan ’bout Martz and he starting laughing.
He’s probably still laughing.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:17 am
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January 16th, 2013 at 3:46 am
lol, this is the packers bio page of Ben McAdoo…
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/mcadoo_ben/
And this is all they have from wikipedia…
Ben McAdoo is currently the quarterbacks coach for the Green Bay Packers. He spent the previous six seasons as tight ends coach. He previously worked under Green Bay head coach Mike McCarthy in 2004 as the offensive assistant/quality control coach of the New Orleans Saints and in 2005 as the assistant offensive line/quality control coach of the San Francisco 49ers. He was promoted to quarterbacks coach in 2012 after the promotion of Tom Clements to offensive coordinator. He has also served as a coach at five colleges since 2001.[1]
January 16th, 2013 at 3:50 am
Here we go!! Found the right page…
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/ben-mcadoo/ddde86ed-0482-4a5b-a422-b1f710c03fd2
Biography
Last name is pronounced Mack-ah-dew.
Spent his first six seasons in Green Bay as the team’s tight ends coach before being named to his current position as quarterbacks coach on Feb. 13, 2012.
As tight ends coach, oversaw the growth and development of Jermichael Finley, who in 2011 set or tied career highs in catches, yards and touchdowns, and became the first TE in franchise history to record two seasons with 55-plus receptions.
Finley also tied a single-season team record with two 100-yard receiving games in 2010 despite playing in only five games due to a knee injury and posted the second-most catches (55) ever by a Packers TE in 2009.
Packers’ tight ends posted a collective 99 receptions for 1,048 yards in 2009, franchise records in both categories.
Has worked with Head Coach Mike McCarthy in each of previous two NFL tenures, with New Orleans and San Francisco.
Ben McAdoo begins his seventh season with the Packers, his first as the team’s quarterbacks coach.
McAdoo was appointed to his current position on Feb. 13, 2012, by Head Coach Mike McCarthy, as part of a series of staff changes on the offensive side of the ball that came in the aftermath of former coordinator Joe Philbin being named head coach of the Miami Dolphins. In his new role, McAdoo will work closely with reigning NFL Most Valuable Player Aaron Rodgers as he enters his fifth season as the franchise’s starter under center.
Prior to drawing his most recent assignment, McAdoo served as the team’s tight ends coach for six seasons.
In 2011, he helped fourth-year pro Jermichael Finley make his return to the field following a season-ending knee injury suffered in 2010. Finley was named a Pro Bowl alternate after playing in all 16 games for the first time and setting new career highs with 767 yards and eight touchdowns, while matching his previous career best with 55 catches and becoming the first tight end in franchise history to post two 55-catch seasons. In addition to Finley, McAdoo helped develop second-year men Tom Crabtree and Andrew Quarless into adept blockers up front. Quarless appeared in 10 games before suffering a season-ending knee injury of his own in Week 13 and Crabtree played in all 16 games, starting a career-high nine of them.
In 2010, Finley got off to a torrid start under McAdoo’s tutelage, posting 21 catches for 301 yards and a touchdown in the opening four games. That included back-to-back 100-yard receiving performances as Finley joined Paul Coffman (1979) as the only TEs in team annals to accomplish that feat. Finley’s three career 100-yard games already rank No. 2 in franchise history behind Coffman (six).
After Finley sustained his knee injury on the opening series at Washington in Week 5, Quarless, then a rookie, and Crabtree, who held a first-year player designation, moved into more significant roles under McAdoo’s guidance. Quarless went on to post 21 receptions for 238 yards, the best marks by a Green Bay rookie TE in both categories since Bubba Franks (34-363) in 2000. Quarless’ 62 receiving yards at Detroit in Week 14 were the most by a Packers rookie TE since Ron Kramer posted 68 at Detroit on Nov. 28, 1957.
In 2009, McAdoo oversaw one of the most productive seasons in team history by the tight ends. With the emergence of youngsters Finley and Spencer Havner, along with another year of steady production from veteran Donald Lee, Green Bay’s tight ends posted a collective 99 receptions for 1,048 yards, franchise records in both categories.
Finley (55 receptions) and Lee (37) became the first tight-end duo in franchise history to each post 35-plus receptions in the same season, and they were one of only two tandems in the league to do so in 2009, along with New Orleans’ Jeremy Shockey and David Thomas. Meanwhile, with Finley (five TDs) and Havner (four), the Packers were the only team in the NFL to have two tight ends catch at least four touchdown passes apiece.
The emergence of Finley, a third-round draft choice in 2008, was not a surprise after seeing the marked improvement he made in his first season. McAdoo helped Finley steadily learn the pro game as a rookie, and Finley flashed his tremendous potential over the final two games of the season, posting three receptions for 64 yards and his first NFL touchdown.
In 2007, it was former backup Lee enjoying a breakout year as he moved into a starting role. Lee posted career highs with 48 catches for 575 yards and six touchdowns, and he followed that up with consistent production in 2008-09 to become the first Packers tight end since Coffman (1981-83) to catch at least 35 passes in three consecutive seasons.
Upon arriving in Green Bay in 2006, McAdoo helped the Packers’ tight ends adapt successfully to additional blocking and pass-protection duties they hadn’t previously been assigned. The added assistance helped a young offensive line, with as many as three rookie starters at times, allow just 24 sacks all season.
Originally named to the tight ends post Jan. 17, 2006, the 35-year-old McAdoo replaced Philbin, who was then the lone holdover from the previous coaching staff and had been made the team’s offensive line coach after McCarthy had been introduced as head coach. In each of McAdoo’s previous two NFL tenures, he has worked with McCarthy.
McAdoo came to Green Bay from the San Francisco 49ers, where he served as assistant offensive line/quality control coach in 2005. In that role, he assisted the offensive line and tight ends.
Prior to joining the 49ers, he had a brief stint at Stanford University as tackles and tight ends coach. He resigned after the ’05 recruiting season to take the 49ers position and reunite with McCarthy, then the San Francisco offensive coordinator, with whom he worked in New Orleans the previous season.
McAdoo, pronounced (Mack-ah-dew), entered the NFL coaching ranks in 2004 with the New Orleans Saints as an offensive assistant/quality control. He worked directly with McCarthy and assisted the offensive line and tight ends.
Prior to working in the NFL, McAdoo spent 2003 as an offensive assistant at the University of Pittsburgh, helping the Panthers earn a trip to the Continental Tire Bowl after an 8-5 season. At season’s end, the University of Akron hired him as an assistant coach, but he stayed only through the ’04 recruiting period before joining the Saints staff.
Earlier, he served as offensive line/tight ends coach at Fairfield (Conn.) University in 2002. After that campaign, the head coach left the team and McAdoo was appointed assistant head coach before the program was disbanded.
He began his college coaching career at Michigan State (2001) as a special teams/offensive assistant, on the heels of coaching four years at the high school level. He spent two years in the Homer Center school district in Pennsylvania and two years in the Indiana (Pa.) area.
McAdoo attended Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP) and earned a degree in health and physical education. Later, he received his master’s degree in kinesiology from Michigan State.
Born July 9, 1977, in Homer City, Pa., McAdoo lives with his family in Oneida.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:57 am
Congrats to Marc Trestman!
he’s gone. Norv is gone.
Who does that leave us with?
PLENTY, but we better start hammering out these interviews
Looks like the Cards are down to 3 candidates for HC:
Bruce Arians, Ray Horton & Jay Gruden
January 16th, 2013 at 4:00 am
I like Jerry Fontenot better than McAdoo…
Biography
Began his tenure in Green Bay as a coaching intern in the summer of 2006 and remained with the team throughout the season to assist with the offensive line; elevated to full-time status as assistant offensive line coach on Jan. 15, 2007; promoted again to running backs coach on Feb. 25, 2011; named tight ends coach on Feb. 13, 2012.
Enjoyed a successful first season in charge of the running back group in 2011, helping Ryan Grant and James Starks become the first pair of Packers backs to each rush for more than 550 yards since 1996, while also helping FB John Kuhn earn his first bid to the Pro Bowl.
Appointed to his current position of tight ends coach on Feb. 13, 2012, as part of a staff shuffle on the offensive side of the ball that followed the departure of former offensive coordinator Joe Philbin.
A longtime center, played 239 NFL games with the Bears, Saints and Bengals from 1989-2004, proving to be extremely durable as a player. Originally a third-round draft choice by Chicago in 1989, began a starting streak of 106 games in 1991, then authored a streak of 80 straight starts from 1999-2003.
Started at center during Mike McCarthy’s five years as New Orleans offensive coordinator (2000-04).
Played every position on the offensive line at Texas A&M, twice earning honorable mention All-American.
Jerry Fontenot begins his seventh season with the Packers and his first as tight ends coach in 2012. He was moved to his new post on Feb. 13, 2012, as part of a staff shuffling on the offensive side of the ball that followed the departure of former offensive coordinator Joe Philbin, who was named head coach of the Miami Dolphins.
The tight ends assignment is another in the line of many that have highlighted the early portion of Fontenot’s coaching career, one that started with an internship in the summer of 2006. Before being assigned to the tight ends, Fontenot received his first position-group appointment on Feb. 25, 2011, when Head Coach Mike McCarthy placed him in command of the team’s running backs.
In what was a prolific offensive season that saw the Packers score the second-most points in NFL history (560), the running backs played a key role in providing a balance to what was the most productive yardage offense in franchise annals (6,482 yards). Primary contributions from the backfield came from veteran running back Ryan Grant and second-year man James Starks, who became the first pair of Green Bay backs to eclipse the 550-yard mark in the same season since Edgar Bennett and Dorsey Levens did so in 1996.
Grant returned from a season-ending ankle injury that shelved him for almost all of 2010 and hit his stride as the season wore on, particularly in the last four games, when he carried 42 times for 243 yards (5.8 avg.) and two TDs. Starks started strong on the heels of what was a productive 2010 postseason, posting 503 yards on 109 carries (4.6 avg.) in the first nine games.
Fontenot also helped guide the success of John Kuhn, the veteran fullback who was voted to start the Pro Bowl for the NFC at season’s end, the first time he’d been named to the all-star team. Additionally, Kuhn earned second-team All-Pro honors from The Associated Press and led the team’s backs with six total touchdowns (four rushing, two receiving), becoming the first Packer to score both a rushing and receiving TD in four consecutive seasons since Ahman Green did so from 2001-04.
Fontenot originally joined the Packers in the summer of 2006 as a coaching intern and remained with the team that season as an offensive assistant, working with the offensive line. He was promoted to assistant offensive line coach by McCarthy on Jan. 15, 2007, and spent the next four seasons in that role.
During his five seasons working with the offensive line, Fontenot contributed to the development of several linemen. In 2010, veteran LT Chad Clifton earned Pro Bowl recognition for the second time in his career as he started all 16 contests. Rookie Bryan Bulaga started 12 games at RT after veteran Mark Tauscher was lost for the season due to a shoulder injury, and went on to earn All-Rookie honors from Pro Football Weekly/PFWA. RG Josh Sitton was named the 2010 Offensive Lineman of the Year by the NFL Alumni Association and was selected as a Pro Bowl alternate.
In 2009, Sitton started every game at RG in just his second season, while rookie T.J. Lang played three different positions at times and started games at both tackle spots when needed. From 2006-08, the ‘06 draft trio of Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz and Tony Moll combined for 103 starts.
A starting center for the New Orleans Saints during McCarthy’s five-year tenure there as offensive coordinator, Fontenot made an indelible impression on McCarthy with his leadership, intelligence, and the respect he commanded in the locker room, qualities he displayed in his first foray into coaching.
Not far removed from his playing days, which concluded after 16 seasons in 2004, Fontenot quickly showed he could relate well to players, prompting McCarthy to retain Fontenot in a full-time capacity in 2007 with the promotion of Philbin to offensive coordinator and James Campen to offensive line coach.
A longtime center, Fontenot played 239 NFL games with the Bears, Saints and Bengals from 1989 through 2004, proving to be extremely durable as a player. Originally a third-round draft choice by Chicago in 1989, Fontenot began a starting streak of 106 games in 1991 with the Bears that continued through his first one-plus seasons with the Saints, whom he joined in 1997 as an unrestricted free agent.
That streak ended with a season-ending knee injury in October 1998. Returning at the start of the 1999 season, Fontenot then started 80 consecutive games for the Saints through the end of the 2003 season before finishing his career with the Bengals in 2004. Fontenot was named a USA Today All-Joe Team selection in 2002 for his excellence without fanfare and his enduring leadership qualities.
In all, Fontenot played on four playoff teams, three with the Bears (1990, ’91, ’94) and one with the Saints (2000). He spent his first year out of football in 2005 working in broadcasting in the Chicago area, handling various football assignments with both WGN and ESPN, before deciding to give coaching a try, which he feels provides more fuel for his passion for the game.
A standout at Texas A&M and a sociology major, Fontenot played every position on the offensive line in college and helped lead the Aggies to three consecutive Southwest Conference titles from 1985 through 1987. He earned all-conference honors three times and was an honorable mention All-American as a junior and senior.
Born Nov. 21, 1966, in Lafayette, La., Fontenot was a four-sport star at Lafayette High School, earning all-state honors twice in football, finishing as state runner-up twice in the discus, and winning a state championship in baseball.
He and his wife, Stephanie, have three daughters – Gabrielle, Madeleine and Camille.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:08 am
RRS OC candidates:
Pete Carmichael
Marty Mornhinweg
Cam Cameron
Tony Sparano
Pat Shurmur
Mike Mularkey
Ken Whisenhunt
Pat Hill
Jeff Davidson
Brian Daboll
Get’em on the phone, Dennis!!
January 16th, 2013 at 4:19 am
GG,
if all Dennis can find to interview is guys that know Reggie, we’re in big trouble. I hope his search goes beyond that. It already has
I vote for somebody that has been a play caller before on some level (college or pro)
it was bad enough having rookies last year in Mark, Reggie, Dennis & Jason … yet the first two to get axed were vets (Knapp & Hoffman)
we need experience, but we also need quality.. if you have a body of work but haven’t been successful you’re automatically disqualified imo
January 16th, 2013 at 4:31 am
I agree with Pete Carmichael as top choice. I like that Sean Payton is a true hybrid offensive coach, so Carmichael would have far more range and capability in installing and running multiple offensive philosophies, schemes and packages.
Martz is a one-trick pony who wears on people quick. Those types we must avoid. We need someone like Carmichael.
As we know, GMs and coaches always hire guys they’ve worked with around the league. Reggie’s sphere of connections is mainly with the Packers staff, so it’s to be expected like “typical” that he’d horn in on someone there.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:35 am
Macadoo had stint at Stanford and U. Pitt.
Then he worked in the NFL from 2004 with NO/SF/GB nut all minor assistant jobs until 2006 when he became TE coach for GB.
Six years as a TE coach with GB and nothing happening. Not exactly rising rapidly.
Last year he took over as quarterback coach for GB after Clements replaced Philbin as OC.
A lot of people would say that Rodgers performance went down this year.
I don’t know why you’d hire Macadoo as OC when there are plenty of experienced offensive coordiantors out there and one on the staff already.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:37 am
*McAdoo. It actually means the same thing: the son of.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:53 am
plenty of experienced offensive coordiantors out there and one on the staff already.
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two, if you count Kelly Skipper (UCLA, 2001–2002)
plus TE Coach Mark Hutson was a co-OC (Eastern Illinois & Tulane), kinda like Tarver was a co-DC @ Stanford
January 16th, 2013 at 4:56 am
GMs and coaches always hire guys they’ve worked with around the league
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maybe not “always”
Reggie hadn’t worked with Dennis
Dennis hadn’t worked with Knapp
Knapp is the guy who brought his buddies along: DeFillipo, Pollack, Griffith, Leinart & Brisiel
result = flop!!
maybe we need to start hiring guys Reggie & Dennis know??
LOL
January 16th, 2013 at 5:03 am
I agree with Pete Carmichael as top choice.
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yup. we need an egghead X’s & O’s guy
Trestman would have been perfect, Carmichael an excellent choice too
Walsh, Cable & Knapp don’t fit the bill. you know what I’m saying? they weren’t going to outsmart anybody
January 16th, 2013 at 5:03 am
As I have been saying for the last weeks, Al hired Hue as OC on Jan 27th.
That is our timeline. Saunders to handle Senior Bowl responsibilities.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:27 am
That is our timeline. Saunders to handle Senior Bowl responsibilities.
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Anyone know if the Senior Bowl is on TV and what network or channel it might be on?
January 16th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Dennis hadn’t worked with Knapp
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Weren’t they both at Atl together?
January 16th, 2013 at 5:31 am
Anyone know if the Senior Bowl is on TV and what network or channel it might be on?
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Saturday 1/26 4pm NFL Network
January 16th, 2013 at 5:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:03 am
As I have been saying for the last weeks, Al hired Hue as OC on Jan 27th.
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Maybe you didn’t hear out in the wilderness of New Mexico but Al’s dead.
Just because Al did it that way doesn’t mean that Mcgregor has to follow his pattern.
Plenty of coaches are getting hired even as we type.
It would seem probable that McKenzie is going for someone from GB.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:32 am
540.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:27 am
That is our timeline. Saunders to handle Senior Bowl responsibilities.
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Anyone know if the Senior Bowl is on TV and what network or channel it might be on?
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NFL Network, I believe. They did pretty extensive coverage of the practices and related things last year. The only downside is that you have to listen to Mayock give you a scouting report on every single player in that annoying voice of his, and the man just cannot stop talking to save his life. I watched a good portion of it with the sound off last year though, and it’s pretty nice that way because you can form your own opinions without the constant chatter.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:31 am
Anyone know if the Senior Bowl is on TV and what network or channel it might be on?
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Saturday 1/26 4pm NFL Network
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Thanks 24.
That’s the one network that I can’t get on my Roku.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:33 am
Thanks ET.
Looks like it’s TVPC for me.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:34 am
*McKenzie, not McGregor.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:40 am
547.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:34 am
*McKenzie, not McGregor.
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Here’s hoping he channels “McGuyver” and is able to fix this thing with duct tape and baling wire, because for at least another year that’s about all he has to work with.
Somehow I think he’ll get it done, though. Reggie has a lot of detractors in here, and he’s going to surprise those people with what he’s able to accomplish.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:40 am
I like the Senior Bowl practice footage and analysis.
It isn’t all Mayock, I think you get a healthy dose of Ron Pitts as well.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:44 am
I listen to Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan’s coverage all week on Sirius from the senior bowl. They have great insight all week.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:50 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Still…no….word….on Anything???
January 16th, 2013 at 5:50 am
Somehow I think he’ll get it done, though. Reggie has a lot of detractors in here, and he’s going to surprise those people with what he’s able to accomplish.
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I sure hope so.
Last year he had about two small successes: Wheeler and Burris.
A lot of people posting in here still think that Al left a team that was ready for the Superbowl.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:50 am
East-West Shrine game is this weekend in St Pete FL.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Hawaiian Raider,
The only new word is you can officially cross Trestman off the list.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:02 am
Good morning Hwndr.
Are you actually in Hawaii?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:04 am
Trestman was a great candidate for US, but we were a crappy job FOR HIM.
He had options, being our OC was at about the bottom of those options.
Until we win some games and show some organizational stability, we will continue to be the Kansas City Royals and be only a place for newbie’s looking to use us as a stepping stone or a retread trying to get another crack at it.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:05 am
Yeah I read about Trestman…
England, no. I live in the Bay now, but was born and raised in Hawaii! Lived here since 01.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:06 am
That is why I got such a kick out of the Gruden rumors.
He only became a Raider coach because in 1998 he didn’t have the same options he does today, and we were a little more relevant then.
Anything outside of ownership options in the team wouldn’t have even got to a 2nd interview with him.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:07 am
ENGLAND.
“A lot of people posting in here still think that Al left a team that was ready for the Superbowl.”
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Nope, nobody feels that way.
It is what it is.
The Raiders were a .500 team, not more, not less.
Between 2010 and 2011 the Raiders were a .500 team, 16-16, that averaged 24 ppg scored and 24 ppg allowed.
The 2012 Raiders turned into 4-12 that scored 18 ppg and allowed 27 ppg.
Coaching wasn’t brilliant in 10-1,1 but it was dismal in 2012 and it was the main reason we turned one of the worst seasons in franchise history.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Raiders hired martz as offensive coordinator late last night according to SI. Trestman must have been the first choice and once he went to the bears we settled on martz.
I think this is a big mistake. I have lost all faith in reggie.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:10 am
Mike Martz is the best we can do.
On the dating scale it would be us (a 5) marrying a 7.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:11 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:05 am
Yeah I read about Trestman…
England, no. I live in the Bay now, but was born and raised in Hawaii! Lived here since 01.
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I just asked because I was thinking about sunshine.
Either way, you’re good.
Here in southern England the low is 11 degrees F. tonight and there’s snow on my car.
Snow should stay where it belongs–in the mountains.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:13 am
It’s out of the frying pan and into the fire if you’re right Dakota.
Mad Mike – just say no.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:14 am
You really think martz and his seven step drops can work in Oakland Vegas?
You better change your mind about drafting Joeckel now!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:14 am
550.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:44 am
I listen to Pat Kirwan and Tim Ryan’s coverage all week on Sirius from the senior bowl. They have great insight all week.
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Thanks, bcz24. I like both of those guys. Will look for it.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:15 am
Bad up here as well England.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:15 am
JFB,U REALLY THINK TOM BRADY TAKES THIS TEAM TO MTHE PLAYOFF’S ?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:16 am
And in Chicago Trestman just hired Aaron Kromer as his OC, but I would think Trestman will be the play-caller.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:16 am
Disagree that the Raider job is a crap job or a crap organization. Maybe I’m not yet sold on Reggie or DA turning this org around on a dime. I get frustrated like anyone else. But you see other teams work quietly even within losing seasons to weed out the problems and develop future stars. That COULD happen here and if could happen very quickly if Reggie’s plan comes together. Let’s see what materializes before crying about the last decade. It’s been a tough 10 years, but honestly little of that frustration has anything to do with the current Org. If year 3 we see a progression of losing seasons, then it’s time to cut bait, scrap and start all over again. That’s life and nothing is certain. We just have to hope that Reggie’s draft and FA plan pans out.
I don’t think Trestman or anyone interviewing for jobs looks down on being a Raider.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:17 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:11 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:05 am
Yeah I read about Trestman…
England, no. I live in the Bay now, but was born and raised in Hawaii! Lived here since 01.
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I just asked because I was thinking about sunshine.
Either way, you’re good.
Here in southern England the low is 11 degrees F. tonight and there’s snow on my car.
Snow should stay where it belongs–in the mountains.
Yeah, I can’t complain…11 degrees? I only felt that once! Probably too cold for this Island Boy!
Right now it’s 31…still a brrr for me! LOL
January 16th, 2013 at 6:18 am
OC-OL Coach job for Kromer under Trestman, seems like a good combo for the Bears.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:07 am
ENGLAND.
“A lot of people posting in here still think that Al left a team that was ready for the Superbowl.”
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Nope, nobody feels that way.
It is what it is.
The Raiders were a .500 team, not more, not less.
Between 2010 and 2011 the Raiders were a .500 team, 16-16, that averaged 24 ppg scored and 24 ppg allowed.
The 2012 Raiders turned into 4-12 that scored 18 ppg and allowed 27 ppg.
Coaching wasn’t brilliant in 10-1,1 but it was dismal in 2012 and it was the main reason we turned one of the worst seasons in franchise history.
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No argument overall there Bob.
But when it comes to
“Nope, nobody feels that way”,
I’m going to have to disagree since I have read posters in here who indeed think (a) that we should still be playing this year but for Allen and (b) that it’s all Allen and Knapp’s fault because Al left a Superbowl team.
Knapp deserves to have a helping of crap but this is not a playoff team.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:14 am
You really think martz and his seven step drops can work in Oakland Vegas?
You better change your mind about drafting Joeckel now!
LOL…I don’t think he was saying that. He was saying that (maybe) Martz was the best Reggie could have done. But is it official??? And yes, if true…we better get the big boys up front or whoever QB is will get creamed a lot!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:19 am
JFB,U REALLY THINK TOM BRADY TAKES THIS TEAM TO MTHE PLAYOFF’S ?
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Easily
January 16th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:18 am
OC-OL Coach job for Kromer under Trestman, seems like a good combo for the Bears.
I agree!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Martz’s system puts up points everywhere he goes, and at times with crap at QB, like in Detroit.
He was doing great things with the Bears in 2010, hanging 35+ points weekly to end the season and if Cutler doesn’t get hurt, he probably OC’s his 3 Super Bowl in 11 years.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Or maybe that’s why it was said yesterday that we were looking to draft Geno! Maybe…
January 16th, 2013 at 6:21 am
Tom Brady gets killed behind the Raider OL. He’s got zero mobility outside the pocket. The point is moot, because there’s no way he would ever agree to play for us. But if he had a gun to his head to be Oakland’s QB he wouldn’t last long at all.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:21 am
563.neilb Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:13 am
It’s out of the frying pan and into the fire if you’re right Dakota.
Mad Mike – just say no.
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Word to the wise; if it’s “breaking news” and it’s presented first by Dakota, it’s a hoax. Sort of a tradition in here.
One of these days he’s going to be telling the truth and no one will believe him, lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:22 am
neilb Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:15 am
Bad up here as well England.
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Hey Neil, how’s it going.
Yeah, I know, I have a couple of nephews who live northwest of Manchester and they tell me I’m lucky to be in the south.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:22 am
Tom Brady gets killed behind the Raider OL.
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Yes, it is the 35 different starting O-lineman during Brady’s career that made him.
Sure
January 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
560.Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Raiders hired martz as offensive coordinator late last night according to SI. Trestman must have been the first choice and once he went to the bears we settled on martz.
I think this is a big mistake. I have lost all faith in reggie.
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I am on SI.com right now and they have nothing about us hiring Martz.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
From a pass-blocking efficiency rating, we were a top 5 pass-protecting O-line.
5th in sacks, 4th in QB hits, higher ranking per attempt.
And Brady is more saavy pre-snap and maybe even more mobile than Carson.
He would have willed us to AT LEAST that last Wild Card spot this year.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:25 am
582.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
560.Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Raiders hired martz as offensive coordinator late last night according to SI. Trestman must have been the first choice and once he went to the bears we settled on martz.
I think this is a big mistake. I have lost all faith in reggie.
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I am on SI.com right now and they have nothing about us hiring Martz.
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See post #579.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 am
JFB.
# 583.
Not with Knapp!.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 am
I know that there will be a lot of talk, lot of hype around Geno heading into the draft, combine, prodays, etc. Already he’s being compared in style to some of the better NFL QB’s in the league. It’s all intruiging stuff I admit. But his ceiling comes with a very risky floor.
We need a can’t miss guy at #3. Whoever that is has to be a gamechanger at his position. An upgrade that you notice on game number one of the reg season. Not a guy carrying a clipboard.
I could see any number of impact players we could take at #3, but can’t take any chances with the pick. No homerun picks. No swing for the fences. Just solid steady future probowl caliber player and really we are ready to upgrade at just about any position. We don’t need to upgrade at QB though. Not yet.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 am
Hello England.Not to bad,yourself?
Finished work on Tuesday morning and had to drive home in a snow storm – not a lot of fun.Hard frost last night and the same expected for tonight.
Sucks.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 am
If we don’t hurry up with this OC hire,we are going to get the bottom of scraps of the coaching pot!
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Kinda like how we staffed for 2012.. Bunch of no-names and retreads.. Gimme a f-ing break… Lets go, Reg.. At least give the media and fans something to speculate about!!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:28 am
Thanks, bcz24. I like both of those guys. Will look for it.
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Monday-Friday Sirius channel 88 at 3-7pm ET. Moving the Chains is their show. Listen to it everyday (well for my 45 minute ride how anyways.)
January 16th, 2013 at 6:30 am
See post #579.
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No, I know how Dakota is, I had SI open in another window anyways because I was reading another article.
Usually when he makes up the story, he doesn’t add his opinion to it. He must be evolving.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:31 am
I’m not sold on Martz.Ifhe’s that good why wasn’t he in the league last year?
I’ve told you,my Ram’s work mate says he’s nuts.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:31 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:24 am
560.Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Raiders hired martz as offensive coordinator late last night according to SI. Trestman must have been the first choice and once he went to the bears we settled on martz.
I think this is a big mistake. I have lost all faith in reggie.
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I am on SI.com right now and they have nothing about us hiring Martz.
Me neither! Dakota strikes again!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:33 am
Shame on you Dakota!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:34 am
Kinda like how we staffed for 2012.. Bunch of no-names and retreads..
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Who else is there???? Either retreads (have done it before) or no-names (have NOT done it before)
Or do those tags just not apply to a candidate you approve of.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:34 am
neilb Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:26 am
Hello England.Not to bad,yourself?
Finished work on Tuesday morning and had to drive home in a snow storm – not a lot of fun.Hard frost last night and the same expected for tonight.
Sucks.
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I’m good man.
I was in California last spring and cought a Roku while I was there-although you can buy it in the UK too.
It’s just a two inch wide streamer it but has some good channels if you can load them while you’re in the US.
In the UK there’s even a channel providing US networks although there are requirements involved.
I watched a lot of this NFL season on the networks in HD just switching to NFL game pass for the Raider games.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Where’s Norv gone? Cleveland?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:36 am
Didn’t Al interview Martz a couple of years back and decided not to hire him?
Can you imagine those personalities in the same room?!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Oh, and SI.com NEVER breaks news. They just regurgitate other’s reports
January 16th, 2013 at 6:38 am
596.neilb Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Where’s Norv gone? Cleveland?
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That was reported days ago, but there has been no official hiring.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:38 am
England,
I work 4 on 4 off so I might miss 3 or 4 Sundays in a row.That’s why I’ve never bothered with game pass.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:40 am
My no. 1 choice was Carmichael over Trestman anyway. Carmichael still available, make it happen big dummy.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:40 am
Thanks Bcz24
January 16th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Hire Mike Singletary – LB’s coach.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:49 am
boss01 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Hire Mike Singletary – LB’s coach.
Where is he now? I thought he was under contract as a lb coach though.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:53 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:49 am
boss01 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Hire Mike Singletary – LB’s coach.
Where is he now? I thought he was under contract as a lb coach though.
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Was with the Viqueens as lb’s coach / Assistant HC.
Not sure if his contract is up though.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I agree with Bcz24.
The guy we end up giving the job to won’t be some brilliant offensive mastermind that we pull out of our sleeve, those have a job, so brace yourselves for some dissapointment.
It’s likely to be a retread that some will approve and some will hate, Whisenhunt, Carmichael and Mularkey remain the more qualified options out there, best case scenario would be to land one of those guys and we would be lucky to do so, IMO.
Whisenhunt is still in play for a HC job in Philly and if he doesn’t get one, he might choose to sit out a year and wait for next season’s openings, AZ is still paying him.
I don’t see Carmichael making a lateral move to OC us when the Saints should be contenders with Payton back, Pete remaining in NO can only help his stock for a HC job, coming to Oakland would be a huge risk for him because if he bombs it’s gonna set his career back, people will say he’s nothing without Brees and Payton’s system.
So I would not count on those 2, hope I’m wrong.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:57 am
Good Morning Raider Nation,
Still no OC hired…and no confirmation from the Raiders on any interviews or plans to interview. I thought all the cloak and dagger Cold War stuff would end when Al passed on?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:59 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Oh, and SI.com NEVER breaks news. They just regurgitate other’s reports
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Thats who Jer and Cork are employed by right?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:59 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:37 am
Oh, and SI.com NEVER breaks news. They just regurgitate other’s reports
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Thats who Jer and Cork are employed by right?
Buwahahha! NICE! (In my best Mike Tyson, Hangover voice!)
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I’m fine with the secrecy from the Raiders, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:03 am
muhahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa
January 16th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Gasol out 5 games with a concussion in the NBA?
Gasoft is baaaaaack.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:09 am
Or maybe…in Carmichael’s case, the reason he’s not getting a HC job is because people already think the Saints Offensive production is all Payton’s system and Brees…so Pete decides to go out and prove that perception wrong by taking the Raiders job and turning us into an offensive machine.
Or maybe I’m just overthinking stuff,lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I’m fine with the secrecy from the Raiders, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
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I can understand the benefit of this in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s… but now? We just look like leftovers after every available coach has been picked over.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Hey the lakers kinda looked like a team the last couple days..
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 am
614.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I’m fine with the secrecy from the Raiders, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
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I can understand the benefit of this in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s… but now? We just look like leftovers after every available coach has been picked over.
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Silence is fine….usually the coaches or players agent is the one spreading the info, so I am not sure why that is not happening…..but as for the Raiders, as long as they are not sending out someone like John “Baghdad Bob” Herrera to spread disinformation or make strange accusations against the media, I am fine with it.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:16 am
should have hired Trestman as head coach last year. Oh well.. mularkys still availible. Still better than krapp
January 16th, 2013 at 7:17 am
615.Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Hey the lakers kinda looked like a team the last couple days..
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At least they are beating teams they should beat. 22 turnovers against the Cavs the other night…..sloppy ball. Then gave up a craptastic load of offensive rebounds last night….can’t win against good teams doing either of those things, so yes they are winning, but are they really better?
I am not sure yet.
Dwight looks more energetic though….and once Gasoft gets back from his vacation, he should have stronger legs.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 am
Lance Armstrong is an idiot. He is opening himself up to losing everything…..so he can run a triathlon?
Just STFU and enjoy the money you took from all those companies….and the US Postal Service….they all benefitted from your use of PEDs, so fk them!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:25 am
its official…reggie and DA are so in over there head its makes me sick…not only did they lose out on trestman, he has already hired kromer…meanwhile opie is shopping for red sharpies and reggie is on the next page of the dennys menu…and guys wanted a real gm? it freakin almost february again and still no oc…fvck them.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:27 am
I see JFB continues to discuss our elite pass blocking line via stats that are very misleading.
The Baltimore game this year is a classic example.
Game is over mid way through the second quarter.
Everything after that is garbage.
Ngata does not even play. Seen on the sidelines yukking it up with team mates while an riding exercise bike. Toatlly out classed without even facing their best talent on the Dline.
The Denver game is another example on 12/6/12.
Barnes is a human traffic cone. Need to keep Myers in the whole game to help, further reducing our offense flexibility.
Stats can sometimes provide insight but they are meaningless when discussed out of context.
Our line reality as I see it.
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 33.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Im worried about adding gasol to the starting mix. Clark plays way way way better d.. and he can handle the ball, run the break … gas at pf makes us old and slow… clark was fast enough to cover monte elis most of last night.. it was an eye opener.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:31 am
You have been saying its almost February since January 3rd. How did they ‘lose out’ on Trestman? Do you think there is a GM in the league that could convince someone to come be their OC over being someone else’s HC?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Lance Armstrong is an idiot for trying to clean his name. How is he going to make people forget what a malevolent character he was basically spending a good deal of his own money to tear down the reputations of anyone who dared insinuate he cheated. He wasn’t like Barry Bonds quietly doping in the shadows. Armstrong knew what he was doing was wrong and compounded it by ruining good people on his path to all those yellow jersy’s. He’s Hitler now. Now sense trying to explain himself. He needs to go away and crawl into a cave like OJ Simpson did for awhile.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Do you think there is a GM in the league that could convince someone to come be their OC over being someone else’s HC?
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good point. And Trestman wasn’t even a slam dunk candidate for OC anyway.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:35 am
I have also opined on several occasions as to why anyone with OC experience would come here.
Many of you continue to be mystified.
Lack of a full complement of picks for the second straight year and still $5 million over the cap prior to the draft. We will not get back to a competitive balance with those two varaibles till 2014.
Our present roster is weak and we could lose a few producers off this year’s team due to cap issues.
We will get somebody where this job represents a significant promotion.
This job would be a promotion for Martz since he was out of the game.
For my money the best experinced guy we could get would be Saunders.
After that it will be somebody few of us have heard of.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Reggie is busy with the dennys special…hes too damm slow dont you get it? he should of jumped on him as soon as krapp was taken out or even before DA…its almost feb AGAIN…trash heap ocs AGAIN…doesnt take a genius to figure it out…
January 16th, 2013 at 7:36 am
You couldn’t tell he was a douche by the name Lance?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 am
I agree Mark. Clark was playing way better. D’Antoni has something to think about!
Anyways…when is the Senior bowl? I heard Geno is not even playing…I mean, if they are really looking at him…
January 16th, 2013 at 7:38 am
ITS ALMOST SEPTEMBER AND WE HAVEN’T EVEN STARTED TRAINING CAMP YET! OMG…
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Anyways…when is the Senior bowl? I heard Geno is not even playing…I mean, if they are really looking at him…
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Saturday 1/26 4pm NFL Network.
Geno Smith elected NOT to participate.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 am
bunch a damn sheep blindly following a losing gm and coach, giving them excuses like they’ve earned them….what 4-12 is that exciting? Every damn team
loses draft picks every damn team has cap issues every damn team has the same offseason…
January 16th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 am
614.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I’m fine with the secrecy from the Raiders, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
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I can understand the benefit of this in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s… but now? We just look like leftovers after every available coach has been picked over.
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Silence is fine….usually the coaches or players agent is the one spreading the info, so I am not sure why that is not happening…..but as for the Raiders, as long as they are not sending out someone like John “Baghdad Bob” Herrera to spread disinformation or make strange accusations against the media, I am fine with it.
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The new media (PR)guy for the Raiders, Zak Gilbert sounds very much like the Al Davis regime’s guy when he iviscerated Hub Arkush on the Gruden rumor. That press release…whether deserved or not, where he says how “disgusted” he was “personally” was way over the top imo and unprofessional.
It was just a rumor Zak…relax.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:44 am
if our coaches are coaching up the seniors we better draft some underclassmen..
January 16th, 2013 at 7:46 am
632.Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 am
bunch a damn sheep blindly following a losing gm and coach, giving them excuses like they’ve earned them….what 4-12 is that exciting? Every damn team
loses draft picks every damn team has cap issues every damn team has the same offseason…
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Really. Show me ONE example in the history of the NFL in which a team’s first draft pick was 97th overall AND the were 20 million over the cap.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:46 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 am
614.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I’m fine with the secrecy from the Raiders, that’s how it’s supposed to be.
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I can understand the benefit of this in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s… but now? We just look like leftovers after every available coach has been picked over.
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Silence is fine….usually the coaches or players agent is the one spreading the info, so I am not sure why that is not happening…..but as for the Raiders, as long as they are not sending out someone like John “Baghdad Bob” Herrera to spread disinformation or make strange accusations against the media, I am fine with it.
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The new media (PR)guy for the Raiders, Zak Gilbert sounds very much like the Al Davis regime’s guy when he iviscerated Hub Arkush on the Gruden rumor. That press release…whether deserved or not, where he says how “disgusted” he was “personally” was way over the top imo and unprofessional.
It was just a rumor Zak…relax.
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Good points, but with the over the top response it makes you think something really was going on with Gruden. Oh well we are stuck with DA…now who wants to work as our OC? Anyone…Bueller…Bueller?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:49 am
keep coming up with excuses…meanwhile every other team in the nfl gets better…and reggie is on the pancake special….
January 16th, 2013 at 7:50 am
trestman is smart enough to keep the chicago def coordinator not like DA…
January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 am
bunch a damn sheep blindly following a losing gm and coach, giving them excuses like they’ve earned them….what 4-12 is that exciting? Every damn team
loses draft picks every damn team has cap issues every damn team has the same offseason…
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Name one other franchise, JUST ONE, that has blown every first round pick (but one), going back to 1998 and Charles Woodson. And the one player that wasn’t a bust, is a kicker. And even Woodson didn’t play that well when he was here.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Rdrinok,
Yeah, the whole thou dost protest too much scenario.
In my opinion, the meeting with Mark and Gruden took place but Gruden turned it down.
I found it kind of curious that there’s been no mention of Gruden with any vacancies even thought the word was out he wanted to come back to coaching.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:52 am
When you consistently either draft the wrong guy or can’t develop the guys you draft particularly at the top of the draft, you are going to be 4-12 until you can learn how to develop those players.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Al
Totally inaccurate!
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie had to deal with when he took the job.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
As I have said we are now in year 2 of a 3-5 year project. Still over the cap in 2013 without a full complement of picks till 2014.
“Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap for 2013. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again. But they should be able to do a little more than they did last year.”
“The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better next year.”
“Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”
January 16th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Trestman would have been a great fit with the Raiders as HC. He would have replaced DA in one year. Instead we are stuck with Roscoe (Reggie Mac) and Enos (DA) from the Dukes of Hazzard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVCKDen3gSY
January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 am
Rosco and Enus lol…
January 16th, 2013 at 8:04 am
I hope Reggie starts coming to work in 1 of those white boss hog suits
January 16th, 2013 at 8:05 am
Time to hire somebody. Cant wait for every other staff to get filled out.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Nice post 642
Just read on BSPN to keep an eye out for Pep Hamilton (Stanford OC) as a new OC candidate.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:08 am
Hard for me to see Whisenhunt agreeing to work for a Green kid like Dennis Allen.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:10 am
pc raider
Called something like that on my 626 post.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:13 am
I think mularky could work. Maybe martz too.. if we fix the line.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Just read that, Charlie.
Face it due to the past history of this org. We are going to be every coaches bottom of the list. We have to wait for the music to stop to see who’s left standing. Hope that changes with consistency.
PCRaider
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Rdrinok,
Yeah, the whole thou dost protest too much scenario.
In my opinion, the meeting with Mark and Gruden took place but Gruden turned it down.
I found it kind of curious that there’s been no mention of Gruden with any vacancies even thought the word was out he wanted to come back to coaching.
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No kidding! He has stated he’s waiting for the ‘right scenario’ I sure hope it’s DA getting canned and Gruden coming back on to fix this mess. Maybe it’s all a pipe dream but right now it’s our only hope. DA does not impress me at all.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:15 am
That is why I posted on 642.
Many on this blog keep trying to compare our situation to other teams in the NFL.
Our situation has NEVER occured before. We spent $150 million for an 8-8 team and we stripped the team of draft picks.
The PERFECT STORM FROM AN NFL PERSPECTIVE.
We are in year 2 of a 3-5 year project and there is nothing like this that has ever occured before in the NFL.
That is why Mark Davis needed to give 4 year contracts to a rookie GM and rookie HC.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:16 am
We need to do lines first. If you know what I mean……
Fix em.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:18 am
R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Rdrinok,
Yeah, the whole thou dost protest too much scenario.
In my opinion, the meeting with Mark and Gruden took place but Gruden turned it down.
I found it kind of curious that there’s been no mention of Gruden with any vacancies even thought the word was out he wanted to come back to coaching.
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No kidding! He has stated he’s waiting for the ‘right scenario’ I sure hope it’s DA getting canned and Gruden coming back on to fix this mess. Maybe it’s all a pipe dream but right now it’s our only hope. DA does not impress me at all.
to add…I hope he didn’t turn Mark down but said he would rather think about it. Maybe Mark sweetens the deal with a stake in the team. Right now we are the laughing stock of the NFL.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:20 am
PC Raider
We are on the same page.
See my 621 post.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:24 am
charlie…sorry man but i cant give this staff a pass…back to back 8-8, only players lost are the ones reggie wanted gone and ALL the new players are his pick ups…he brought this record on the team by getting rid of what talent was here, changing the system, biringing in a disaster of a coach and watching/waiting far too long for additional staff…
January 16th, 2013 at 8:27 am
and this salary cap excuse is lame…al never had a problem. This isnt a state budget, the numbers are there to manipulate…reggie isnt bright enough to see that or doesnt want to for fear of missing out on the crawfords, bergstroms and criners of the draft
January 16th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:24 am
charlie…sorry man but i cant give this staff a pass…back to back 8-8, only players lost are the ones reggie wanted gone and ALL the new players are his pick ups…he brought this record on the team by getting rid of what talent was here, changing the system, biringing in a disaster of a coach and watching/waiting far too long for additional staff…
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Waiting too long to pull the plug on the Knapp disaster ruined any chance of a good season. The majority of fans on this blog knew it was a bad call. DA even said he spoke with Saunders FIRST about being our OC but went with Knapp. Once again DA has to make a splash on the OC hire…not looking good so far unless we have a miracle and get Pete Carmichael.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:31 am
Charlie,
Your assessments are based on sound, practical reasonings, but just as bad drafting was a big part of what got us into this mess, good drafting can help get us out.
If you compare Chicago’s draft’s since 2004 to ours it is nearly as bad and yet they compete year in year out and this yr went 10-6.
As far as their FA acquisitions, they went and got Julius Peppers and last yr. Brandon Marshall. Those are all that stand out and both could be considered huge but outside of those two, not a glut of 5 star FA’s.
There are things a good gm can do to help get this thing rolling and I would expect Reggie to get started doing those things.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:32 am
So Trestman & Kromer are off the list.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:32 am
658.Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:27 am
and this salary cap excuse is lame…al never had a problem. This isnt a state budget, the numbers are there to manipulate…reggie isnt bright enough to see that or doesnt want to for fear of missing out on the crawfords, bergstroms and criners of the draft
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Unfortunatly we’re at a point were like Charger fans, we don’t know if all this cost cutting is due to an incompetent GM or Stingy owner.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:33 am
We are in year 2 of a 3-5 year project and there is nothing like this that has ever occured before in the NFL.
That is why Mark Davis needed to give 4 year contracts to a rookie GM and rookie HC.
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Is that also why Mark about flipped his lid when the team started its tailspin mid-season? So Mark expects a messy lengthy rebuild but he also feels 3-8 is, in his words, “not good enough”? Interesting. One would think an owner expecting a lengthy rebuild would have a little more patience…
January 16th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Still dont understand the salary cap situation?
Wow.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:36 am
it makes no sense to dump a 3 year plan at year 2 to start another 3 year plan back at the beginning….
January 16th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Look, it is what it is, and there’s nothing any of us can do to change it. But let’s not act like we were fortunate to get 4 victories and we have a roster full of NCAA division II players. 4 coaches didn’t get fired 1 YEAR IN for nothing. There was a major fail in there, with respect to coaching.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Al the troll is an idiot, he’s just a bitter man , because AL D is not the GM anymore, let it go little guy, let AL R.I.P let go of his nuts
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
OC:
Marty Mornhinweg
Mike Martz
Pete Carmichael
Pep Hamilton
Mike Mularkey
OL:
Juan Castillo
Tony Sparano
Clancy Barone
LB:
Billy Davis
Adam Zimmer
Mark Duffner
ST:
Joe DeCamillis
Alan Lowry
John Bonamego
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
I don’t think anyone disagrees that our cap situation was bad, but to say it was the worst in history? Wouldn’t we have to carefully analyze all the other 31 teams in the league and their history before being sure of that?
Maybe what people are getting tired of is hearing excuse after excuse for why the team sucks.
Sure. There are valid reasons for us not to have an immediate turnaround, but some of you have nearly no expectations whatsoever.
What a job. Nobody expects anything from you becuz you were given such a horrendous, never before seen in the history of sports situation.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Still dont understand the salary cap situation?
Wow.
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Yes, we all know how screwed the Raiders are right now with the cap. I believe all Raiders fans want is some measure of visible progress from Reggie and DA..they have not proven anything at this point. Now is the time to hire our OC, not at the beginning of Feb. No sense of urgency from DA to get the staff in order to be ready for the Senior Bowl
January 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am
We all knew we needed to rebuild. The frustration comes from the fact that we needed good decisions across the board in order to keep it bearable. Good GM hire, followed by good coaching hires, good draft, good free agency, etc…
Problem is nothing went right. So here we are complaining. Not that it matters, not going to effect any of the organizations decisions, but that’s the case never the less.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:47 am
As far as Knapp goes:
“Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.”
As I have said, Oakland is a bad situation for a coach.
I have outlined the “perfect storm” in earlier posts.
Unless you are from Nor Cal there is very little appeal to this job UNLESS IT REPRESENTS A SIGNIFICANT PROMOTION!
I totally agree with the draft as the way to build the team.
Talent x Durability x work ethic x knowledge = productivity
When one of the variables on the left equals 0, productivity equals 0.
The rookie cap offers teams much more protection for greater value. Meaning that the salary paid is more in line with the productivity that you get. Yes, the knowledge part of the equation is low with rookies but if the other three parts are in place you can have a long, productive career.
Free agents are usually free for a reason. Either their salary demands are not consistent with their body of past work or there is a low evaluation of one of the variables on the left side of the above equation by the present employer.
A guy like Gannon was a good pick up because the Chiefs had a surplus that year at QB and made the wrong choice keeping Grbac. Gannon also had not played much so his durability was good even at a relatively advanced age. Those situations are rare!
Romo. Rice and Woodson also worked out well for a VERY SHORT TIME FRAME.
You can only afford to build your core through the draft. You can pick up some niche pieces in the FA market but it needs to be done carefully and sparingly.
We have FAILED MISERABLY AT THIS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS!
TEN YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT DOES NOT GET FIXED IN ONE SEASON.
Three to five years guys.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Best case scenario:
OC- Marty Mornhinweg
OL- Juan Castillo
LB- Billy Davis
ST- Joe DeCamillis
January 16th, 2013 at 8:48 am
mcxcuse20 has a boatload of excuses…the yes man in any company…assuming he has a job.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:36 am
it makes no sense to dump a 3 year plan at year 2 to start another 3 year plan back at the beginning….
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your talkin reggie/allen here. Not sure if they make any sense to begin with from the get go. every year with this staff will be the beginning.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 am
658.Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:27 am
and this salary cap excuse is lame…al never had a problem. This isnt a state budget, the numbers are there to manipulate…reggie isnt bright enough to see that or doesnt want to for fear of missing out on the crawfords, bergstroms and criners of the draft
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Al won exacty ZERO Super Bowls in the Salary Cap Era. Al had 4 winning seasons since the Salary Cap was introduced.
Don’t tell me he never had a problem. He NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW TO RUN A TEAM WITH A CAP!
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am
We all knew we needed to rebuild. The frustration comes from the fact that we needed good decisions across the board in order to keep it bearable. Good GM hire, followed by good coaching hires, good draft, good free agency, etc…
Problem is nothing went right. So here we are complaining. Not that it matters, not going to effect any of the organizations decisions, but that’s the case never the less.
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Great post Judge37…couldn’t agree more
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
As far as Knapp goes:
“Still, the simple truth is that Knapp was not the Raiders’ first choice. He was hired after the Raiders interviewed a couple other candidates, and even that was long after pretty much every other team in the league had their coaching staff already set.”
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You must have pulled this from a fan site. I’m sure a pro columnist didn’t write this because, quite simply, Knapp WAS the first choice! Go ahead…look it up.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
If we were 14-2 AL would have said why did we lost those 2 games, quit arguing with this idiot, he’s Al DAvis lost son, Man D this , power scheme this, blah blah blah
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
really charlie…an equation? cmon man, there is no way to relate the two especially linearly. There are 32 nfl jobs of which maybe 10 at most are open…cannot convince me that no one wants that job…he waited last year or was forced to wait to hire an oc…whats his excuse this year?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Okay. So Reggie was given this horrible situation..the biggest mess in sports history. I’m amazed we still fielded a team last yr.
Let’s be fair then and analyze what he did with what he had.
-Tollefsen?- Did he play?
-Bartell?- Bad one.
-Spencer?- Who is he again?
-Wheeler?- Good one it appears
-Goodson?- Good
-Brisiel?- Massive fail
-Adams?- Good
-Ross?- Ok
-Burris?- Potential but miscast.
-Criner?- No impact
-Bergstrom? -His 1st pick. Decent…maybe?
Looks like a mixed bad with some hits and some major misses.
Worst decision was changing offensive scheme.
Did someone put a gun to Reggie’s and DA’s head to hire Knapp and thusly castrate their potentially best player? Or try to force their high paid QB to do things that don’t fit what he does best or what he’s had success with in the past?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:53 am
With the exception of lack of draft picks, this Regime has had it the easiest in Raiders history. No Al breathing down their necks, free to chose your own coaching staff, salary issues and lack of talent have been here for the last 10 years so it’s nothing new. Yet these guys are treated as if they’re going where no man has gone before.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Hire Ray Anderson
OC – Marty Mornhinweg
OL – Juan Castillo
LB – Billy Davis
ST – Joe DeCamillis
- Free Agents:
WR – Jordan Shipley
NT – Ricky Jean-Francois
DE/OLB – Trevor Scott
ILB – Larry Grant
DT – Justin Bannan
CB – Glover Quin
RT – Jeff Otah
- Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Terron Armstrong [OT, Ark-PB]
- Draft w/Tradedown:
1- Barrett Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor[DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT/DE, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
January 16th, 2013 at 8:54 am
mctroll back to make more excuses? go ahead child carry on…
January 16th, 2013 at 8:54 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 am
658.Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:27 am
and this salary cap excuse is lame…al never had a problem. This isnt a state budget, the numbers are there to manipulate…reggie isnt bright enough to see that or doesnt want to for fear of missing out on the crawfords, bergstroms and criners of the draft
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Al won exacty ZERO Super Bowls in the Salary Cap Era. Al had 4 winning seasons since the Salary Cap was introduced.
Don’t tell me he never had a problem. He NEVER FIGURED OUT HOW TO RUN A TEAM WITH A CAP!
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AL could have gone 0-16 all those years and this guy would still be here claiming those years were awesome, this is just an idiot troll you guys are arguing with, he has never said one good thing about anybody this year, while still talk big about Man D, yes that same legendary man D which couldn’t force 1 punt in a must win game in last game of 11
January 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am
McFadden20,
We’re just discussing these things man. No need to get in attack mode.
We’re not all gonna agree on everything.
That’s why this place is what it is. If we all agreed there’d be no need for discussion.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
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Some major misses??
Look your list over again bub.
Brisiel was the only miss.
You cant consider someone who signed to a 1 year vet minimum deal a major miss LOL
January 16th, 2013 at 8:56 am
It’s just like Purvis said the other day….a rumor or here say gets repeated often enough and it starts being accepted as truth. Such is the case with this myth that Knapp wasn’t the first choice. You guys are thinking of Tarver. He was not our 1st choice.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:57 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:53 am
With the exception of lack of draft picks, this Regime has had it the easiest in Raiders history. No Al breathing down their necks, free to chose your own coaching staff, salary issues and lack of talent have been here for the last 10 years so it’s nothing new. Yet these guys are treated as if they’re going where no man has gone before.
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Understandable about choosing their own staff, but you forget that DA was hired around jan 29 , that’s when most good coaches have already taken jobs with other staffs, n if your still available ( well that means you s8ck) plus AL was just paying big time money to all the guys for no reason , trading draft picks for over the hill guys, who was the last big time FA we brought that worked out?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:58 am
DJ good list but needs all the practice squad shuffling as well as the other misses like…lee, crawford, stupar, but ill give him streater…
January 16th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Al
Let me get this straight.
I have a solid coaching career and have already been a succesful OC in the NFL and I am going to relocate to Oakland given the scenario I have laid out for you?
What happened to Knapp? If we do not invest our first round pick on the Oline you are telling me I need to do much better with basically the same talent as in 2012 ASSUMING WE DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER CAP CASUALTIES (Myers/Bey).
No thanks. I will wait till next year. I am happy living in (fill in the blank).
The Raider OC job becomes more attractive in 2014 when we can actually retool the Oline.
Until then the best we can get with experience is Saunders. After that we will most likely get somebody who has not been an OC in the nfl.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am
McFadden20,
We’re just discussing these things man. No need to get in attack mode.
We’re not all gonna agree on everything.
That’s why this place is what it is. If we all agreed there’d be no need for discussion.
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But this idiot is Mistic 2, He will talk up everything AL, and look at everything REg and DA did with a bad eye , and not even say one positive thing, It’s one thing to still like AL and stuff, but to say Al was doing awesome job before this guys took over is just too much m1sticness
January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 am
You must have pulled this from a fan site. I’m sure a pro columnist didn’t write this because, quite simply, Knapp WAS the first choice! Go ahead…look it up.
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Post a link to ANY article that says Knapp was their first choice.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:00 am
687.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 am
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Some major misses??
Look your list over again bub.
Brisiel was the only miss.
You cant consider someone who signed to a 1 year vet minimum deal a major miss LOL
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Okay. Take off the “major” part and just go with “miss”.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:58 am
DJ good list but needs all the practice squad shuffling as well as the other misses like…lee, crawford, stupar, but ill give him streater…
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Are you f8kin kidding with me, Lee was cut by eagles, n he was just signed on a veteran minimum to see what he can do, crawford and stupar were like 6th and 7th picks , this is stupid a guy is complaining of missing out on 6th and 7th round picks and have the c9ck of a guy in his mouth, who constanstly missed on 1st round picks since 1998
January 16th, 2013 at 9:02 am
These guys are not reinventing the Wheel.
Reggie was brought in to upgrade the roster and has been a lot more miss than hit, but considering the circumstances can’t expect every decision to be right, even though that’s what we need.
Coaches job is to get the most out of the players that are HERE, not just tread water until you get who you want. They failed miserabley in this regard.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Reggie’ biggest miss [Brisiel] will cost us 1.47 against the cap after he is cut.
Meanwhile we are still paying guys upwards of 8 million a year from the revious regime.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Name one other franchise, JUST ONE, that has blown every first round pick (but one), going back to 1998 and Charles Woodson. And the one player that wasn’t a bust, is a kicker. And even Woodson didn’t play that well when he was here.
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Asum was a pro-bowler.
And McF looks like a bust now, but an extra year out of his foot injury and an OC that isn’t a unmitigated idiot might turn his career around. Too early to tell.
And our first rounder last year was Carson Palmer.
Why is everyone so down and out about the Raiders? Its the off-season… where most teams fans hopes spring eternal.
What a herd of sad-sack “fans!”
January 16th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Nice to see someone analyze the Raiders predicament with clarity. Thanks Charlie.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:04 am
see why i call al the troll mistic 2? he’s complaining of missing out on 6th and 7th picks, and talk up a guy who has constantly missed out on 1st round picks, I still don’t get how he lures you guys into having a conversation with him
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
I don’t expect Reggie to hit on every single acquisition he makes. Nobody ever has and he think he’s made a few good ones.
My point is not to exempt him from any culpability or expectation going forward just because he inherited a bad situation.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
charlie, trestman was in the cfl…plenty of ocs in small programs in the ncaa, they can coach. Right now they have pryor, should they interview a coach who has experience with a spread/option history? He should have chris ault on speed dial…he is waiting much too long to pull the trigger…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
miss what? pretty much every guy reg brought was on a 1 year deal, Briesel was pretty good with Houston, but we had knapp , so it’s hard to gauge how good or bad briesel really is until we get a real OC or OLine coach,
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
These guys are not reinventing the Wheel.
Reggie was brought in to upgrade the roster and has been a lot more miss than hit, but considering the circumstances can’t expect every decision to be right, even though that’s what we need.
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If you are forced to dig through the dumpster for your dinner, you should probably not expect to find a lot of 5 star meals.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:59 am
You must have pulled this from a fan site. I’m sure a pro columnist didn’t write this because, quite simply, Knapp WAS the first choice! Go ahead…look it up.
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Post a link to ANY article that says Knapp was their first choice.
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Why would anyone need to point this out in an article? Rather, go look up the articles on Knapp’s hire and see if any other candidates were mentioned, like they were when Tarver was hired. Find me just 1 link quoting someone other than Knapp as a candidate. Just 1. On the other hand, you can find plenty on the DC candidates we were interested in besides Tarver.
Stop generalizing, folks. Yes, we were denied access to ST and DC candidates. Doesn’t automatically mean the same was true of the OC hire. Knapp was hired just 2 days after DA was announced as HC.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am
If you really want to talk about misses, look at 6 year deal for Tommy Kelly, 1st round trade for Seymour, Long term ROutt contract, trade for wimbley and give him huge contract to put up 5 sacks a year, JW long term contract, and talked him to stay on the team even when he was willing to give the money back and retire, 2nd rd trade for D hall and long term contract for 8 games only, 1st rd trade #7 overall for R Moss and long term contract, W Sapp deal, and let’s not get started about the draft picks
January 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am
704.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
These guys are not reinventing the Wheel.
Reggie was brought in to upgrade the roster and has been a lot more miss than hit, but considering the circumstances can’t expect every decision to be right, even though that’s what we need.
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If you are forced to dig through the dumpster for your dinner, you should probably not expect to find a lot of 5 star meals.
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It’s amazing what people throw away. We’ve made some world class meals out of dumpster diving in the past, so it can be done.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Eagles hired Chip Kelly.
I doubt this will work.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
These guys are not reinventing the Wheel.
Reggie was brought in to upgrade the roster and has been a lot more miss than hit, but considering the circumstances can’t expect every decision to be right, even though that’s what we need.
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If you are forced to dig through the dumpster for your dinner, you should probably not expect to find a lot of 5 star meals.
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well said Bcz, you’re a voice of reasoning in here
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Al was gambling with the families rent money.
He went all in.
Pushed all his chips in.
He got 8-8, twice.
And we were left homeless.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
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Mad?!
I will be PO!
January 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Who cares wether Knapp was the first choice or last, Mark messed up hiring Reg so late , then Reg kinda messed up hiring DA so late, so who the eff was DA suppose to hire, jan 30th/ feb 1st? good coaches don’t just sit there and wait to go to just certain teams, c’mon man, who cares,
January 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Hire Ray Anderson
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Not a peep from the Raiders about this either. Are they just going to announce all the new hires in one big press conference? In February the week of the Super Bowl? The season ended 12-30…going on three weeks now.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Eagles hired Chip Kelly.
I doubt this will work.
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I think it will.
But he will need….wait for it…. TIME.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am
N Who cares if Hue or another PBS wasn’t hired, we weren’t going to win any playoffs game yet, this is a long term project, they will hire a better OC this year, fugg what knapp did in here
January 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Judge
In plain and simple terms; “You can not polish a t*rd”.
Our players lack NFL talent at many positions. I have pointed out the MASSIVE HOLES WE HAVE ON BOTH LINES.
Just because we HAVE OVERPAID OUR PLAYERS FOR A DECADE DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ANY GOOD!!!!!!
Stop whining about coaching. It is 20% of the equation.
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
January 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Who cares wether Knapp was the first choice or last, Mark messed up hiring Reg so late , then Reg kinda messed up hiring DA so late, so who the eff was DA suppose to hire, jan 30th/ feb 1st? good coaches don’t just sit there and wait to go to just certain teams, c’mon man, who cares,
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You do realize that some of the same guys being looked at now were available at that time as well?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Odds are not in his favor.
Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, etc…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
It’s amazing what people throw away. We’ve made some world class meals out of dumpster diving in the past, so it can be done.
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For every one of those ‘world class meals’ there are at least 100 piles of left over dog poop.
I understand that you CAN find the diamonds in the rough, my comment was simply saying you shouldn’t EXPECT it.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Who cares wether Knapp was the first choice or last, Mark messed up hiring Reg so late , then Reg kinda messed up hiring DA so late, so who the eff was DA suppose to hire, jan 30th/ feb 1st? good coaches don’t just sit there and wait to go to just certain teams, c’mon man, who cares,
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You do realize that some of the same guys being looked at now were available at that time as well?
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well they haven’t hired those guys yet , have they?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Mad?!
I will be PO!
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LOL, IDK about PO’d..
If we are able to somehow move Palmer, I wouldnt be that mad..
January 16th, 2013 at 9:16 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Eagles hired Chip Kelly.
I doubt this will work.
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I think it will.
But he will need….wait for it…. TIME.
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I pasted the wrong post. Sorry DAV.
Correction:
Odds are not in his favor.
Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, etc…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Had we hired an OC 2 weeks ago, the same guys would be saying they didn’t do their due diligence. The hired the guy too fast…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
let’s say if Hue was here, how many wins could you guys have expected, 7 ? 8 ? 9 ? none of that would have taken us to the playoffs, so our downfall was hiring a bad OC, because good coaches aren’t out there looking for job in february, which will be corrected this year, and our would b just as good as it was with Hue if not better
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Eagles hired Chip Kelly.
I doubt this will work.
Interesting…I thought Chip was staying in Oregon? Hmmm…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Gdog Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Name one other franchise, JUST ONE, that has blown every first round pick (but one), going back to 1998 and Charles Woodson. And the one player that wasn’t a bust, is a kicker. And even Woodson didn’t play that well when he was here.
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Asum was a pro-bowler.
And McF looks like a bust now, but an extra year out of his foot injury and an OC that isn’t a unmitigated idiot might turn his career around. Too early to tell.
And our first rounder last year was Carson Palmer.
Why is everyone so down and out about the Raiders? Its the off-season… where most teams fans hopes spring eternal.
What a herd of sad-sack “fans!”
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This year marks the 10 year anniversary of our last Playoff appearance. 10 years of bad drafts, FA signings, losing 8-12 games a year. Plus we have DA as our head coach…does that give you hope?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Judge
In plain and simple terms; “You can not polish a t*rd”.
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Well that hasn’t stopped you from spit shining Reggie and Co.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Odds are not in his favor.
Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, etc…
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I agree with that.
Although his offensive philosophy seems to make it more likey, given the success of the Patriots, Redskins, 49ers, Seahawks..
January 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Al
Trestman was already a succesful OC in the NFL.
He is now an HC proving my point.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Ignore all our needs on defense and offense to TRY to upgrade the QB position with CP (solid starter) and TP ( a backup with loads of potential) on the roster.
PO is an understatement!!
January 16th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Who cares wether Knapp was the first choice or last, Mark messed up hiring Reg so late , then Reg kinda messed up hiring DA so late, so who the eff was DA suppose to hire, jan 30th/ feb 1st? good coaches don’t just sit there and wait to go to just certain teams, c’mon man, who cares,
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You do realize that some of the same guys being looked at now were available at that time as well?
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well they haven’t hired those guys yet , have they?
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Any one of them would have been better than Knapp, but that’s not the point. Point is you said nobody was available and yet here we are looking at guys that were available then and who we can a agree are better than Knapp, so your argument is debunked.
Stop making excuses, folks. DA hired his bud and it blew up in his face. Lets hope the next hire is much better.
Own up to the truth. Don’t make excuses for it. Even DA would probably tell you he failed and here some of you are cleaning up after him.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am
This is a list of other teams with Salary Cap issues:
Jets ($19.4 million), Cowboys ($18.2 million), Saints ($14.7 million), Panthers ($11.8 million), Giants ($4.7 million), Raiders ($4.5 million), Redskins ($4 million), Lions ($1.1 million) and Cardinals ($723,000).
Which one of these teams have even mentioned rebuilding? (and no ShanaRat did not say he was rebuilding). Salary cap is an excuse to under acheive.
And let me ask another queston:
What happens to a team if they are over the Cap?
The best answer that I can find is from the ask the commish website:
The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official. Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL’s Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.
If a team releases or trades a player and the signing bonus acceleration puts a team over the Salary Cap, the team will have seven days to conform with the Salary Cap. However, they may not sign any players until there is room to do so under the Salary Cap.
There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers’ front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Any one of them would have been better than Knapp, but that’s not the point. Point is you said nobody was available and yet here we are looking at guys that were available then and who we can a agree are better than Knapp, so your argument is debunked.
Stop making excuses, folks. DA hired his bud and it blew up in his face. Lets hope the next hire is much better.
Own up to the truth. Don’t make excuses for it. Even DA would probably tell you he failed and here some of you are cleaning up after him.
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n how do you know , Martz was willing to coach last year, if trestaman SP? was willing to become OC last year, or G Olsen guy was even interested in finding jobs some where else
January 16th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Ignore all our needs on defense and offense to TRY to upgrade the QB position with CP (solid starter) and TP ( a backup with loads of potential) on the roster.
PO is an understatement!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
And…… It’s not a good year for QBs.
I’m getting PO just thinking about it.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Knapp was hired just 2 days after DA was announced as HC.
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Thats what happens with a young greenhorn coach without many contacts.
At least they are trying to fix it… and not like anyone had SB hopes last year.
Look, the regression sucked, I agree… but lets at least see what happens when the off season is over before jumping off a bridge.
I think a competent OC, drafting a blue chip o-lineman, and signing a true number one veteran WR is all we need to become a playoff team again next year. Thats just three people!
Now if none of this happens… and we try to fix the team with a herd of rookie defensive players (half of which always turn into BUSTS) and nothing else… then I am going to start getting pissy!
January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am
charlie…he shouldve been identified as that last year by reggie if he didnt he could of gotten him as an oc…last year or even earlier this year but bears beat him to it…how could he sign as a hc if he hadnt even been approached for that yet? have to strike quickly…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Just love it when someone posts false info to prove a point, you prove it wrong, then someone else joins in to say ‘who cares?’. Lol. Bet you would have cared had I not proven it false, since it supported your argument. Now it’s ‘who cares?’
Hey, I didn’t bring it up. Just showing that its false info.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 am
some people act like we broke up a super bowl team , c’mon man it s8cked our O regressed, it is what it is, KNapp s8cked which is why he was outta the door first day of offseason, now we will try our luck with some one else
January 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Chip Kelly going to Philadelphia. That’s going to be interesting.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Still want to see interviewed:
Alex van Pelt, RB coach, Green Bay (wide experience all around the league coaching all positions)
Craig Johnson, QB coach, Minnesota (he turned Vince Young and Kerry Collins into Pro Bowlers; he just might be a legitimate miracle worker)
Jeff Davidson, Offensive line coach, Minnesota (ran the Panthers powerful run offense from several years)
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
I don’t really care when they decide to make their hires, just don’t want to hear any excuses of 1st choices, late hirings, or anything like that. I can’t even speak on any of the canidates with the exception of Martz and Tresman. Both i don’t really see as a fit for this team, guys who like to throw short and often. Which worries me to some extent that Reggie and DA are going to make a bad choice.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Eagles just hired Chip Kelly, who what a week ago said he was NOT leaving Oregon.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Judge
I have said on many occasions that it would have been great to get a proven GM and HC.
It did not happen for the resaons I have pointed out on numerous occasions.
You simply disregard the complexity of our situation.
It is why Reggie and DA (both highly respected in the NFL) are in OAKLNAD WITH FOUR YEAR DEALS AND ZERO PRIOR EXPERIENCE IN THESE JOBS!!
SEE THE PICTURE????
If you are delusional enough to think an “experienced” REGIME would have had this fixed in one year I offer the following.
It took Shanahan 3 years to get to the playoffs WITH FAR FEWER BARRIERS THAN THE RAIDERS HAD BEFORE THEM IN 2012. Why does anyone think we can complete a turnaround of this magnitude in less time than it took the Redskins?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Eagles hired Chip Kelly.
I doubt this will work.
Interesting…I thought Chip was staying in Oregon? Hmmm…
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Petrino 2.0!
January 16th, 2013 at 9:26 am
#736, Gdog. I’m ok with that. Lets move on. Nothing we can do. Just poking holes in false info being thrown around in here.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
741…good candidates…van pelt was a qb before right?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
DT42 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am
This is a list of other teams with Salary Cap issues:
There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers’ front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Great post, Any great GM will find a way not make excuses. Interesting the two teams caught cheating the cap have the most Super Bowl trophies(minus the Cowgirls)…hmmm
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Dennis Allen fired 4 coaches after one year for lack of productivity, so let’s squash the thinking that they should be given certain amounts of time. When you don’t see any production at all, then you know it’s time to cut ties and start over.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
It took Shanahan 3 years to get to the playoffs WITH FAR FEWER BARRIERS THAN THE RAIDERS HAD BEFORE THEM IN 2012. Why does anyone think we can complete a turnaround of this magnitude in less time than it took the Redskins?
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Because a lot of people are really really dumb.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Best thing about this offseason so far?
Gruden staying in the booth.
We will need him available for ‘14 when T1T5 is azzcanned after week 5 or so.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Just love it when someone posts false info to prove a point, you prove it wrong, then someone else joins in to say ‘who cares?’. Lol. Bet you would have cared had I not proven it false, since it supported your argument. Now it’s ‘who cares?’
Hey, I didn’t bring it up. Just showing that its false info.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You are using stats and facts to support your argument? WTF is wrong with you?
Stats and Facts are overrated here.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 am
This year marks the 10 year anniversary of our last Playoff appearance. 10 years of bad drafts, FA signings, losing 8-12 games a year. Plus we have DA as our head coach…does that give you hope?
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Why not? The team has a top 15 QB and underachieving offensive players all over the roster. Thats not hard to fix.
The defense was playing well enough at the end of the year to be good enough for a playoff visit.
He set out to fix the penalty situation and for the most part accomplished it.
I don’t understand all the people ready to jump from a bridge here… but knock yourself out! ALL IS LOST!
Does that make you feel better now that I said it too?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 am
743.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Eagles just hired Chip Kelly, who what a week ago said he was NOT leaving Oregon.
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Think Vick stays now?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Judge
I have said on many occasions that it would have been great to get a proven GM and HC.
It did not happen for the resaons I have pointed out on numerous occasions.
You simply disregard the complexity of our situation.
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You’re making this seem too complex than it really is. It’s just football. Score points and limit the other teams points. This staff did neither.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
This is what experience gets you:
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $22 million over the cap when you take the job.
The 8-8 of 2011 was a house of cards that had to come down given our RELATIVE LACK OF TALENT COMPARED TO SALARIES WE WERE PAYING. Compound that with injuries and you have what I expected.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Peter King was saying Ken Whisenhunt is a strong candidate to be the next Eagles HC, 10 minutes later Mortensen breaks the Chip Kelly news. King is an overpaid idiot and SI is worthless. Anything he says or reports is always proven wrong.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
741…good candidates…van pelt was a qb before right?
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Yep, really good college QB at Pitt. Never more than a backup in the NFL but they say “Those that can’t do, teach”
January 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
TBB,
I posted Facts and stats about Knapp to support my argument, and a few posters accused me of creating and manipulating the numbers that support my argument.
Who needs stars and facts? It’s all about opinions!!
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 am
I hated the idea of Martz at first but I think I may have talked myself into approval if he’s hired.
I will say that I dont’ know how Martz’s system–which deminds precise route running and timing on the part of the WRs–will work with the current group of clowns we’ve got.
Hiring Martz might mean Reggie will have to go all in on FA and find a way to bring in Greg Jennings AND Dwayne Bowe
January 16th, 2013 at 9:34 am
tuckrulefool Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Best thing about this offseason so far?
Gruden staying in the booth.
We will need him available for ‘14 when T1T5 is azzcanned after week 5 or so.
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LOL, hope you’re correct on Gruden ‘waiting’ for us to fire DA. I really believe Gruden wants to come back to the Raiders…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am
unless we can get a guy who can make these wr run real routes, we need a guy who can just make the running game click, so we can take advantage of play action
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Gdog
What you are hearing is response to claims that we should have somehow taken a over paid over hyped unaffordable 2011 8-8 team to the playoffs WITH 27 DIFFERENT PLAYERS ON THE 2012 ROSTER.
A complete lack of understanding of football reality with the cap.
I agree we are absolutely on the right track.
There is simply not immediate gratification in sight.
Maybe we get to 7 wins next year.
We are in the 2nd year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Yep, if Mark expected to go 4-12 or lose 6 games in a row, he certainly didnt act like it.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Lol, O. This place is funny.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am
761.SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 am
I hated the idea of Martz at first but I think I may have talked myself into approval if he’s hired.
I will say that I dont’ know how Martz’s system–which deminds precise route running and timing on the part of the WRs–will work with the current group of clowns we’ve got.
Hiring Martz might mean Reggie will have to go all in on FA and find a way to bring in Greg Jennings AND Dwayne Bowe
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Do you think Martz system has changed with what he saw in the last year in the NFL? Intersting to know what his pitch to the Raiders was.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:39 am
oolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Yep, if Mark expected to go 4-12 or lose 6 games in a row, he certainly didnt act like it.
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Funny thing too, when Mark made an appearance it was right around the time the Gruden rumors started.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Except Al DIDNT field a competitive team. He only had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
People just put too much into one season, all GMs gets hired to run their shows in their own ways, let REG run his show and see what he can do , you guys want to fire a guy already even though his first task was to get rid of cash checkers and get the team under salary cap #s, n then he had to wait until 3rd rd for his first pick? man you guys have really high expectations
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Martz, another one trick pony.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:41 am
LOL, hope you’re correct on Gruden ‘waiting’ for us to fire DA. I really believe Gruden wants to come back to the Raiders…
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Seriously, I don’t understand the “no coach wants to come to Oakland” attitude. A coach that comes in and turns the Raiders into a winning franchise would be considered a genius.
I support Reggie and through him DA. But if Gruden came back to the Raiders and gave them 3-4 winning seasons, would the football experts being talking HOF for Gruden?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:42 am
DutchRaider,
Martz’s reputation is as a guy who believes 250% in his system and refuses to change anything, so I’d be shocked.
QBs don’t have the ability to audible under Martz for example. His philosophy is “run the play that’s called and it’ll work out if executed properly”
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Reggie is a fraud.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Except Al DIDNT field a competitive team. He only had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap.
– Exactly , n he couldn’t make his team better, yes some one realized they had 2 time heisman runner up on his team and rode his coat tails until that guy fell off, but the reality is, just running the ball like crazy wasn’t going to do much, all these playoffs teams are throwing the ball like no tomorrw and putting up 30+ points , we need to get with the program, get a #1 WR, trade dmac for a good durable RB, build our O, and get our D to perform atleast above average
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
What if our draft went like this:
1- Geno Smith, QB WVU
3- Kwame Geathers, NT Georgia
4- Omoregie Uzzi, OG G.Tech
6- Travis Johnson, DE/OLB SJSU
7- Terron Armstead, OT APB
7- Ray Ray Armstrong, S Miami
January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Who will be mad if we take Geno Smith at 3..?..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Mad?!
I will be PO!
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LOL, IDK about PO’d..
If we are able to somehow move Palmer, I wouldnt be that mad..
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I think I’d be a little annoyed considering that’s not the position that needs the MOST attention right now. I don’t have a problem with Smith however, just the pick and place….
January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am
I like Geno Smith and think he’ll succeed but I’d be irked if the Raiders take him without trading back because there’s no way he’s the 3rd best player in the draft.
At least one of Star Loutlelei, Damontre Moore and Jarvis Jones will be available when we pick. Have to grab one
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I think our team honestly was the team that went 1-5 down the stretch in 11 than that started 7-4, sometimes you can get lucky here and there, you guys make that 8-8 look like it was 13-3 or something and we won a superbowl lol
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Gdog
What you are hearing is response to claims that we should have somehow taken a over paid over hyped unaffordable 2011 8-8 team to the playoffs WITH 27 DIFFERENT PLAYERS ON THE 2012 ROSTER.
A complete lack of understanding of football reality with the cap.
I agree we are absolutely on the right track.
There is simply not immediate gratification in sight.
Maybe we get to 7 wins next year.
We are in the 2nd year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
>>>>
I don’t agree with this either. Good gawd… there’s some mediocre teams that made the playoffs last year.
And there are some mediocre teams that won SB’s over the past decade. Usually it just takes a veteran QB that gets hot at the right time. NYG and Eli are perfect examples. GB too. The Saints were a deeply flawed team.
I think NE is going to cake walk into another ring because they have the only veteran QB that is worth a hoot.
Thats one reason the “dump Palmer” gang drives me so insane.
Name the last greenhorn QB to win a SB. I think its Rothy, and he sucked. They won by running and a great defense. An exception to the rule really.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
gruden wants the raiders…
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I still think Mingo is the better DE/OLB in the draft.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am
761.SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 am
I hated the idea of Martz at first but I think I may have talked myself into approval if he’s hired.
I will say that I dont’ know how Martz’s system–which deminds precise route running and timing on the part of the WRs–will work with the current group of clowns we’ve got.
Hiring Martz might mean Reggie will have to go all in on FA and find a way to bring in Greg Jennings AND Dwayne Bowe
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Again, that goes against the idea of hiring a guy who can work with what we currently have and not getting a guy who needs a complete overhaul in order to be successful. So i’m glad they passed for the moment.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
What if our draft went like this:
1- Geno Smith, QB WVU
3- Kwame Geathers, NT Georgia
4- Omoregie Uzzi, OG G.Tech
6- Travis Johnson, DE/OLB SJSU
7- Terron Armstead, OT APB
7- Ray Ray Armstrong, S Miami
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It would depend on how they play for the Raiders, wouldn’t it?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am
I don’t agree with this either. Good gawd… there’s some mediocre teams that made the playoffs last year.
And there are some mediocre teams that won SB’s over the past decade. Usually it just takes a veteran QB that gets hot at the right time. NYG and Eli are perfect examples. GB too. The Saints were a deeply flawed team.
I think NE is going to cake walk into another ring because they have the only veteran QB that is worth a hoot.
Thats one reason the “dump Palmer” gang drives me so insane.
Name the last greenhorn QB to win a SB. I think its Rothy, and he sucked. They won by running and a great defense. An exception to the rule really.
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Thank you, somebody that still has common sense and is not knocked out by m1stic’s gibberish
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Reid Fragel in the 7th would be a great pick also.
Right Tackle who used to be a Tight End.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I still think Mingo is the better DE/OLB in the draft.
– D MOORE baby, he was playing with an injury half the year and still managed to be top 3 in secs in SEC and led his team in tackles from DE position, that’s amazing
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
779.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I think our team honestly was the team that went 1-5 down the stretch in 11 than that started 7-4, sometimes you can get lucky here and there, you guys make that 8-8 look like it was 13-3 or something and we won a superbowl lol
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It’s even worse when you try and make 4-12 seem like 8-8
January 16th, 2013 at 9:50 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I still think Mingo is the better DE/OLB in the draft
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TRUTH!!!…funny tho that NFP and CBS draft expert Russ Lande has him rated as the #60 top overall prospect……
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Except Al DIDNT field a competitive team. He only had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Only 4? Are you sure? lol
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
How about Tom Moore for OC….he’s lookin for a job..?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
I must admit i am not thrilled by the recent turn of events.
I dont think dennis allen is very good, in fact in my view he flat out stunk this year.
he clearly had issues with communication & seemed to alienate players. He reminds me of josh macdaniel and todd haley in that regard. Allen and the raiders were completely ill prepared and blown out in several games. His calling card defense was wildly inconsistent and bad overall. the biggest strike against him was he had no plan for pryor and wasted the last 5 games of the season on palmer, when he could have been setting up the future, or at the very least evaluating pryor. He was rewarded fro his undying devotion and love for his prized qb with palmer ending the season with broken ribs and a bruised lung.
I cant stand the fact that he allowed knapp week after week to ruin dmac and our offense including a clear regression by our promising up and coming young wide outs.
Now we are stuck with this guy for another year in hopes that he improves. he may however it sucks to watch guys that i think are better go to other teams.
trestman was a very good play caller. he took gannon a journeymen witha noodle arm and took him to the top of the nfl. he had rice and brown who at this time were slow as molasses and they ran about 8-9 plays a game. They were so god at those plays they were one of the best offense in football. all though it was dink and dunk, the formations and shifts and ghost motion were so much fun to watch. the defense never know what play was coming. He is a better coach than allen and any comparison is laughable. Imagine what he could have done with our crop of players pryor dmac ford reece dhb moore streater.
Chip kelly. i would rather watch chip kelly try to install his brand of football here with pryor and the bunch, than allen. Im not saying i think kelly is a super bowl coach he has trouble keeping his teams focused and they tend to have a hiccup right before they get a chance to play for the bcs title every year it seems. How ever he has won a lot of games, and allen cant say that.
Darrel bevel. bevel is being interviewed and he is riding the wave of the future into a hc gig, if it happens this year or the next. The thing about bevel is that his offense has truly become elite now that he has MY BOY RUSSEL WILSON. russel wilson is making bevel rich. We have seen bevels offense with different qbs and the results havnt been very good. Whitehurst and flynn have been terrible in it, you need a qb that can move. tavaris jackson was ok but couldnt stay healthy or avoid the costly turn overs. Joe webb made the offense look good when he started against philly when bevel was the oc. Ponder was terrible in his offense.
My question is if bevel goes to az or another team who plays qb. Clearly he will need the wave of the future in that spot if he is going to approximate his success he has ahd with wilson.
I would take any one of these guys over allen right now with otu hesitation. Unless allen nails this oc hire we will be looking at another suck fest snooze-a-thon of a season.
yipeeee
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
779.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I think our team honestly was the team that went 1-5 down the stretch in 11 than that started 7-4, sometimes you can get lucky here and there, you guys make that 8-8 look like it was 13-3 or something and we won a superbowl lol
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It’s even worse when you try and make 4-12 seem like 8-8
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NO our team s8cked last year, mainly due to G Knapp, i would b concerned and calling for DA’s head if he was still here, but since he’s fired let’s see what a new OC does, and if we can give our QB a # WR, RT and our D some pass rushers and upgrade our secondary
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
What if our draft went like this:
1- Geno Smith, QB WVU
3- Kwame Geathers, NT Georgia
4- Omoregie Uzzi, OG G.Tech
6- Travis Johnson, DE/OLB SJSU
7- Terron Armstead, OT APB
7- Ray Ray Armstrong, S Miami
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Still think we should go all lines in this draft. I like the idea of trading down, someone else will buy into the Geno hype and want to trade up.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am
No knock on Moore.
I dont really care what he did in college.
Im referring to their NFL ability.
I think Mingo has the body, tool set and ability to be the best OLB/DE in this draft.
Moore is #2, behind him.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am
R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:43 am
What if our draft went like this:
1- Geno Smith, QB WVU
3- Kwame Geathers, NT Georgia
4- Omoregie Uzzi, OG G.Tech
6- Travis Johnson, DE/OLB SJSU
7- Terron Armstead, OT APB
7- Ray Ray Armstrong, S Miami
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Still think we should go all lines in this draft. I like the idea of trading down, someone else will buy into the Geno hype and want to trade up.
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Trade down is ideal, but you cant count on one.
The combine will set everything into motion..
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I think our team honestly was the team that went 1-5 down the stretch in 11 than that started 7-4, sometimes you can get lucky here and there, you guys make that 8-8 look like it was 13-3 or something and we won a superbowl lol
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4 + 4 = 8.
8 + 1 = 9
8 + 2 = 10
Get it?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am
I don’t know whether Krapp was Tits’ first choice or not, but I do know that hiring Krapp was a horrible mistake.
A horrible mistake that was compounded by Smiling Titty Boy doing nothing but backing his butt buddy Krapp’s pleas for patience and adamantly sticking with what would never work for the 2012 RAIDS.
There were very few posters here that watched the pre-season and early season TRAIN WRECK that was unfolding that harbored any hopes that things would get better with Krapp running the offense.
Unfortunately, took Tits all season to see what was evident even to Stevie Wonder.
Thank the Lord that Krapp actually got FIRED.
Better late than never.
Remember when Krappy was falsely claiming how his system gets better results in year two ? That if we stuck with it and gave the same players time with it, production was going to get better ?
I was terrified about the possibility of Krapp returning in 2013 after that interview.
Truthfully, I’m still not sure what kind of HC Tits can be. But the Krapp thing sure isn’t a good sign.
Which leads me to a question…
Has anyone seen or heard Tits in action ?
Talking about him being wired for sound on the sidelines.
Really curious to hear what’s being said during a game.
Would have been interesting to see Tits in a Hard Knocks type of thing.
I’m looking forward to watching the Senior Bowl coverage to get an idea of what kind of coach DA is and what sort of presence he exudes.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
I must admit i am not thrilled by the recent turn of events.
I dont think dennis allen is very good, in fact in my view he flat out stunk this year.
he clearly had issues with communication & seemed to alienate players. He reminds me of josh macdaniel and todd haley in that regard. Allen and the raiders were completely ill prepared and blown out in several games. His calling card defense was wildly inconsistent and bad overall. the biggest strike against him was he had no plan for pryor and wasted the last 5 games of the season on palmer, when he could have been setting up the future, or at the very least evaluating pryor. He was rewarded fro his undying devotion and love for his prized qb with palmer ending the season with broken ribs and a bruised lung.
I cant stand the fact that he allowed knapp week after week to ruin dmac and our offense including a clear regression by our promising up and coming young wide outs.
Now we are stuck with this guy for another year in hopes that he improves. he may however it sucks to watch guys that i think are better go to other teams.
trestman was a very good play caller. he took gannon a journeymen witha noodle arm and took him to the top of the nfl. he had rice and brown who at this time were slow as molasses and they ran about 8-9 plays a game. They were so god at those plays they were one of the best offense in football. all though it was dink and dunk, the formations and shifts and ghost motion were so much fun to watch. the defense never know what play was coming. He is a better coach than allen and any comparison is laughable. Imagine what he could have done with our crop of players pryor dmac ford reece dhb moore streater.
Chip kelly. i would rather watch chip kelly try to install his brand of football here with pryor and the bunch, than allen. Im not saying i think kelly is a super bowl coach he has trouble keeping his teams focused and they tend to have a hiccup right before they get a chance to play for the bcs title every year it seems. How ever he has won a lot of games, and allen cant say that.
Darrel bevel. bevel is being interviewed and he is riding the wave of the future into a hc gig, if it happens this year or the next. The thing about bevel is that his offense has truly become elite now that he has MY BOY RUSSEL WILSON. russel wilson is making bevel rich. We have seen bevels offense with different qbs and the results havnt been very good. Whitehurst and flynn have been terrible in it, you need a qb that can move. tavaris jackson was ok but couldnt stay healthy or avoid the costly turn overs. Joe webb made the offense look good when he started against philly when bevel was the oc. Ponder was terrible in his offense.
My question is if bevel goes to az or another team who plays qb. Clearly he will need the wave of the future in that spot if he is going to approximate his success he has ahd with wilson.
I would take any one of these guys over allen right now with otu hesitation. Unless allen nails this oc hire we will be looking at another suck fest snooze-a-thon of a season.
yipeeee
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They announced Chip Kelley has already been hired by Philly 2 hours ago, have you been writing this since 6 in the morning
January 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am
NO our team s8cked last year, mainly due to G Knapp, i would b concerned and calling for DA’s head if he was still here, but since he’s fired let’s see what a new OC does, and if we can give our QB a # WR, RT and our D some pass rushers and upgrade our secondary
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Can’t blame all 12 losses on Knapp, despite how terrible he was. This team came out flat in all but 2 games last year (Steelers and Falcons). Also considering the 4 game stretch where they were completely blown out by record setting point totals.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I think our team honestly was the team that went 1-5 down the stretch in 11 than that started 7-4, sometimes you can get lucky here and there, you guys make that 8-8 look like it was 13-3 or something and we won a superbowl lol
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4 + 4 = 8.
8 + 1 = 9
8 + 2 = 10
Get it?
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You’re stupid , our real value of the team was the one that went 1-5 down the stretch WITH PLAYOFFS ON LINE, and barely winning against KC to avoid 6 game losing streak to end the year after being 7-4 at one point, included in that stretch were 2 consecutive games in which we fell behind 34 – 0 , n again this was when we were fighting for the playoffs while rest of our division is garbage
January 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Which leads me to a question…
Has anyone seen or heard Tits in action ?
Talking about him being wired for sound on the sidelines.
Really curious to hear what’s being said during a game.
Would have been interesting to see Tits in a Hard Knocks type of thing.
I’m looking forward to watching the Senior Bowl coverage to get an idea of what kind of coach DA is and what sort of presence he exudes.
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Me personally, I have no feel for the guy. Have no idea who he is.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:59 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am
NO our team s8cked last year, mainly due to G Knapp, i would b concerned and calling for DA’s head if he was still here, but since he’s fired let’s see what a new OC does, and if we can give our QB a # WR, RT and our D some pass rushers and upgrade our secondary
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Can’t blame all 12 losses on Knapp, despite how terrible he was. This team came out flat in all but 2 games last year (Steelers and Falcons). Also considering the 4 game stretch where they were completely blown out by record setting point totals.
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Knapp was a big part of that, he failed to inspire our O, he failed to make our running game click, he had the O regress down the stretch, that 4 game stretch was bad but considering who we faced top QB’s – which we never beat and our D had no pass rush, thanks to Al D, we couldn’t even keep our only decent pass rusher WImbley and had to pay Seymour for sitting out, and G *3 n out* Knapp on the other side , it was no surprise, but the D improved down the stretch, special teams and O was bad, which is why both those coaches are gone, we will try to bring in better coaches at both positions and we will try to upgrade our roster
January 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am
You’re stupid , our real value of the team was the one that went 1-5 down the stretch WITH PLAYOFFS ON LINE, and barely winning against KC to avoid 6 game losing streak to end the year after being 7-4 at one point, included in that stretch were 2 consecutive games in which we fell behind 34 – 0 , n again this was when we were fighting for the playoffs while rest of our division is garbage
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You’re stupid 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12
January 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Which leads me to a question…
Has anyone seen or heard Tits in action ?
Talking about him being wired for sound on the sidelines.
Really curious to hear what’s being said during a game.
Would have been interesting to see Tits in a Hard Knocks type of thing.
I’m looking forward to watching the Senior Bowl coverage to get an idea of what kind of coach DA is and what sort of presence he exudes.
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Me personally, I have no feel for the guy. Have no idea who he is.
– Same way we don’t know who you are, a grandpa living in his grand daughters basement?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:02 am
790.Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Except Al DIDNT field a competitive team. He only had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Only 4? Are you sure? lol
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Positive
http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/oakland-raiders/history
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Does vick stay with the eagles now? I think they should keep eagle 7 he is the perfect qb for kellys offense. mcooy jcakson and macklin will also have huge numbers this season.
If the eagles are smart they get a back up qb that also fits the scheme. perhaps he can get dennis dixon or find darron thomas to be number 3 so they can help teach his offense. he could also bring in vy to back up vick .
These guys would then be ab;le to jump right in and run the offense if / when vick gets injured and the offense doesnt have to completely change they way it would if foles is the back up.
Because as we saw in Oakland with pryor and palmer, or in minny with webb and ponder it is too difficult to have 2 completely different offenses for 2 qbs on the roster.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:00 am
You’re stupid , our real value of the team was the one that went 1-5 down the stretch WITH PLAYOFFS ON LINE, and barely winning against KC to avoid 6 game losing streak to end the year after being 7-4 at one point, included in that stretch were 2 consecutive games in which we fell behind 34 – 0 , n again this was when we were fighting for the playoffs while rest of our division is garbage
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You’re stupid 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12
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We were 7-4 at one point, that’s almost 2 wins for every loss, that says our team is good, we should easily make the playoffs, we freaking lay an egg in last 6 games, completely humiliated 34-0 in consecutive weeks and barely beat KC , the same team guys like to joke about this year, and lost to SD
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Only 4? Are you sure? lol
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And 1 of those 4 was the year the cap was instated. The other 3 were Gruden and Callahan.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
769.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
So the sky is not falling becuase of the salary cap or the horrible things that Al did when he ran this team. And it does not excuse the current staff from not being able to put a competitive team on the field on Sundays.
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Except Al DIDNT field a competitive team. He only had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap.
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your confusing me with someone who is making excuses for Al or those teams that didn’t produce….I’m not. just like I’m not making excuses for this regime. A lot of people on this board have agendas that they push. (And by a lot of people I mean RMR and his multiple personalities). Having a GM and adding structure is a good thing. No one is arguing that. But getting THE RIGHT people in that structure is important too. I am not a fan Reggie or (especially) DA. If I wanted Dan Reaves as a coach I would have been a Bronco fan. The new regime is well on its way to gutting the character and spirit of this team. Most of the players underpreformed not just due to lack of talent but becuase they know they are not part of any long term plan. There is no excuse for that.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Does vick stay with the eagles now? I think they should keep eagle 7 he is the perfect qb for kellys offense. mcooy jcakson and macklin will also have huge numbers this season.
If the eagles are smart they get a back up qb that also fits the scheme. perhaps he can get dennis dixon or find darron thomas to be number 3 so they can help teach his offense. he could also bring in vy to back up vick .
These guys would then be ab;le to jump right in and run the offense if / when vick gets injured and the offense doesnt have to completely change they way it would if foles is the back up.
Because as we saw in Oakland with pryor and palmer, or in minny with webb and ponder it is too difficult to have 2 completely different offenses for 2 qbs on the roster.
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Wrong board man
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Now that Trestman is out of the picture maybe we can get some more scuttlebutt?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
McDummy,
8-8 is twice as good as 4-12.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
We have a lost eagles fan on our boards
January 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am
I would imagine Dennis Allen would be ecstatic with 8 wins next year.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:08 am
i hope people realize what is happening with guys like bevel being interviewed and chip kelly getting a job.
TherE is no doubt that the eagles was more than impressed by what they Saw rgIII do, and cam newton when they played this year.
That is the biggest reason why kelly is in demand in philly. They have the pieces on the roster right now to run that offense, therE by shedding the rebuild tag instantly.
I HOPE OAKLAND IS AWAKE AND READY TO UPDATE OUR OFFENSE WITH THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE TOOO!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Only 4? Are you sure? lol
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And 1 of those 4 was the year the cap was instated. The other 3 were Gruden and Callahan.
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I counted 6, but I think I made a mistake. When did they start FA?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:56 am
NO our team s8cked last year, mainly due to G Knapp, i would b concerned and calling for DA’s head if he was still here, but since he’s fired let’s see what a new OC does, and if we can give our QB a # WR, RT and our D some pass rushers and upgrade our secondary
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Can’t blame all 12 losses on Knapp, despite how terrible he was. This team came out flat in all but 2 games last year (Steelers and Falcons). Also considering the 4 game stretch where they were completely blown out by record setting point totals.
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Damn straight I can blame it all on Knapp. Why? He had COMPLETE control of the offense because DA had his hands full trying to get control of the penalties, and trying to coach up the defense.
And he had the blueprint to success right in his hands when CP tore up Pitts with the no-huddle the entire second half. GAME TWO!
Why didn’t he just keep doing it until teams stopped it?
All we heard ALL YEAR was excuses.
Papa said that Carson’s favorite offense is the no-huddle.
Who do you blame for never seeing it after we beat a play-off team in week two? I blame the guy calling the plays on offense.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Most of the players underpreformed not just due to lack of talent but becuase they know they are not part of any long term plan. There is no excuse for that.
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No one in the NFL is part of the long term plan unless they perform.
Wheeler was on a one year deal, dude played his heart out for us.
To say an NFL player didn’t try because he was on a 1 year deal is silly. Most will give their all on a 1 year deal to either secure a longer contract after the season OR to ‘interview’ for other teams.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
McDummy,
8-8 is twice as good as 4-12.
8-8 = no playoffs, lost 1st round pick in process
4-8 = first pick in 3rd round, cutting salary cap
= same shh1t, different to1let, we can all agree, we need better coaching and better talent, how good is DA? we’re on the process of finding out, how good is Tarver, he made improvement on D down the stretch but we’ll find out, once he gets some pass rushers, how good will our new OC and special teams guys will be? we will find out that too, how good is Reg? we will find out this year, if he can bring in legit players and how his draft goes
January 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Heard Steve Young on Trestman. He and evidently a lot of others had lobbied, in their own way, for Trestman to be hired as a hc before now. Young calls him an innovator on offense and a qbs best friend (although you can tell there’s a bit of doubt in Young that the stubborn Cutler will listen). They say that guys in the CFL were trying all they could do to get to Montreal to play for him.
I think that last year RM was looking for a defensive guy for his hc, even though publicly he says otherwise. Hope we didn’t miss out on the next “genius” coach when he’d been in our stall for a while.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
817.Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Only 4? Are you sure? lol
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And 1 of those 4 was the year the cap was instated. The other 3 were Gruden and Callahan.
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I counted 6, but I think I made a mistake. When did they start FA?
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Salary cap was enacted in 1994.
We went 9-7 in 94, 12-4 in 2000 10-6 in 01 and 11-5 in 02. No other year was better than .500 (and there are only 5 of those).
9 of the 17 seasons that Al was apart of the salary cap were below .500
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
4-8 = first pick in 3rd round, cutting salary cap
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Big whoop.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Mistic the IQ eraser is here. I will stop back later. He’s already trying to steer the discussion to why we should dump CP and start a green-horn that can’t throw…
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Most of the players underpreformed not just due to lack of talent but becuase they know they are not part of any long term plan. There is no excuse for that.
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No one in the NFL is part of the long term plan unless they perform.
Wheeler was on a one year deal, dude played his heart out for us.
To say an NFL player didn’t try because he was on a 1 year deal is silly. Most will give their all on a 1 year deal to either secure a longer contract after the season OR to ‘interview’ for other teams.
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SEriously Bsz, there are some dumb posters in here, who have obvious agenda and they say the stupidest things ever like the one post you responded to, just ignore these idiots
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am
8-8 is better.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Al had 8 seasons below .500 in the 33 years before the salary cap, and 9 in the 17 after it.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
4-8 = first pick in 3rd round, cutting salary cap
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Big whoop.
4-12 = the result of not having the resources to improve the team , something other 31 teams had, let’s see they had enough salary cap room to bring in legit players, draft picks in 1st 2 rounds
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
With the Seahawks’ offense incorporating the read-zone option as heavily as they did the last half of the season, Seattle could look to find a backup quarterback more suited to run that offense if Wilson was to get injured.
“We’ve talked a lot about that. It’d be nice to have another guy that might be able to be a factor that way,” Carroll said.
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this is the way to go
we have pryor we could take ej manual late in the draft or sign a low cost vet with similar skills to pryor as insurance or a back up.
We install the offense for pryor and the new qbs.
prudent business and proactive thinking
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Damn straight I can blame it all on Knapp. Why? He had COMPLETE control of the offense because DA had his hands full trying to get control of the penalties, and trying to coach up the defense.
And he had the blueprint to success right in his hands when CP tore up Pitts with the no-huddle the entire second half. GAME TWO!
Why didn’t he just keep doing it until teams stopped it?
All we heard ALL YEAR was excuses.
Papa said that Carson’s favorite offense is the no-huddle.
Who do you blame for never seeing it after we beat a play-off team in week two? I blame the guy calling the plays on offense.
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It’s on the HC to oversee the teams direction. How about blaming DA for letting Knapp do whatever he wanted to do, if that really was the case. Again to say he had his hands full with penalties and the Defense is just an excuse. If he wants to focus on one side of the ball, then he should’ve STAYED a DC.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Gdog Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Mistic the IQ eraser is here. I will stop back later. He’s already trying to steer the discussion to why we should dump CP and start a green-horn that can’t throw…
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LMFAO @ IQ Eraser, couldn’t have said it any better
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
4-8 = first pick in 3rd round, cutting salary cap
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Big whoop.
4-12 = the result of not having the resources to improve the team , something other 31 teams had, let’s see they had enough salary cap room to bring in legit players, draft picks in 1st 2 rounds
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Gibberish
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Gdog
I think the big miss by many on this blog is the importance of superior line play.
Just because the guard or center do not get much media coverage does not minimize their importance.
On the contrary, the “mediocre football teams” that make the playoffs every year in your previous post have very good players on the line of scrimmage. It is also important to understand that these lines perform as units and individual stats are largely irrelevant.
The 2002 Bucs and the 2000 Ravens are evidence of that.
Our lack of line talent is the single biggest reason for our failure to win over the last ten years.
Seymour, Sapp, Warren, Kelly, Slaughter, Joseph, Barnes, Ellis and on and on and on were way past their prime if they ever had one and/or were grossly over paid.
We just recently got back to basics with Wiz and Veldheer. We will and must build our lines through the draft. Much more of a line focus with our high picks in the next two drafts. Guaranteed.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Bcz,
You are right. I thought it started in 89 for some reason.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Damn straight I can blame it all on Knapp. Why? He had COMPLETE control of the offense because DA had his hands full trying to get control of the penalties, and trying to coach up the defense.
And he had the blueprint to success right in his hands when CP tore up Pitts with the no-huddle the entire second half. GAME TWO!
Why didn’t he just keep doing it until teams stopped it?
All we heard ALL YEAR was excuses.
Papa said that Carson’s favorite offense is the no-huddle.
Who do you blame for never seeing it after we beat a play-off team in week two? I blame the guy calling the plays on offense.
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It’s on the HC to oversee the teams direction. How about blaming DA for letting Knapp do whatever he wanted to do, if that really was the case. Again to say he had his hands full with penalties and the Defense is just an excuse. If he wants to focus on one side of the ball, then he should’ve STAYED a DC.
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The guy had his hands full with other BS, how you want a rookie D minded coach to do everything right in his rookie year, many HOF coaches struggled in their rookie years for one reason or the other
January 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am
MacFadden, stop talking to yourself. You’ve never seen a player mail in a performance? Every heard of gator arms? DHB did it this year. Ford and Murphy did it before. So yeah just ignore me…………and all the voices in your head too.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:19 am
826.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 am
8-8 is better.
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Conditioner is betta
January 16th, 2013 at 10:19 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 am
4-8 = first pick in 3rd round, cutting salary cap
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Big whoop.
4-12 = the result of not having the resources to improve the team , something other 31 teams had, let’s see they had enough salary cap room to bring in legit players, draft picks in 1st 2 rounds
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Gibberish
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Yeah you’re competing against other 31 teams in this league, can’t compete if you’re not given the same resources all other 31 Gms were afforded but you’re jus a grandpa with alzeimers so i don’t expect you to understand, so it’s okay I’m not mad at you
January 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Bcz,
You are right. I thought it started in 89 for some reason.
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Free Agency started in 1989. The Raiders have had trouble with that, too.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Judge
What I suggest is you do is take a cram course on what good football looks like especially on the line of scrimmage.
Look at the 1976 AFC championship on You Tube.
Yes that is the Raiders winning against perhaps the best defense ever assembled.
DA can not take the pile of d*ng he was given and win. NO STAFF CAN!
That is why SEVEN DIFFERENT STAFFS IN THE LAST TEN YEARS CAN NOT WIN WITH THE RAIDERS. LACK OF TALENT!!!
Please listen to Mr Madden:
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
January 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am
DT42 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:18 am
MacFadden, stop talking to yourself. You’ve never seen a player mail in a performance? Every heard of gator arms? DHB did it this year. Ford and Murphy did it before. So yeah just ignore me…………and all the voices in your head too.
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You got me confused with some one else, I don’t even know what you talking about man
January 16th, 2013 at 10:21 am
DT42 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am
This is a list of other teams with Salary Cap issues:
Jets ($19.4 million), Cowboys ($18.2 million), Saints ($14.7 million), Panthers ($11.8 million), Giants ($4.7 million), Raiders ($4.5 million), Redskins ($4 million), Lions ($1.1 million) and Cardinals ($723,000).
Which one of these teams have even mentioned rebuilding?
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Yep. The Jets and Panthers fired their GMs, the Saints are talking major roster purge right now, and then there’s the Cowboys, who are going through the second coming of Al Davis At 80 Years Old.
You may have already read the reports that the Jets can’t find anyone that wants the job, and a prominent candidate that turned down the Panthers because of their cap issues.
Please stop trying to pretend it doesn’t matter, because it does.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am
The guy had his hands full with other BS, how you want a rookie D minded coach to do everything right in his rookie year, many HOF coaches struggled in their rookie years for one reason or the other
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Other BS, like what? He was hired to oversee a football team, not a Defensive Coordinator. He’s had the least amount of distractions and pressure of any HC in Raiders history.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:24 am
a lot of our players won’t start for other teams or would be the players for depth besides these guys, Palmer, Mcfadden, Veldheer, Wiz, Houston, Huff, Branch, that’s like 7 players worth keeping
January 16th, 2013 at 10:24 am
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Bcz,
You are right. I thought it started in 89 for some reason.
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Free Agency started in 1989. The Raiders have had trouble with that, too.
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That’s why I thought.
Thx KK.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Seymour, DHB, Huff, Brisiel, McClain are probably getting the axe.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Tom Moore built the indy offense …..he says he wants a job….why not..?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am
The guy had his hands full with other BS, how you want a rookie D minded coach to do everything right in his rookie year, many HOF coaches struggled in their rookie years for one reason or the other
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Other BS, like what? He was hired to oversee a football team, not a Defensive Coordinator. He’s had the least amount of distractions and pressure of any HC in Raiders history.
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Like i said most HOF coaches , struggled in their rookie years for one reason or another and besides Madden all the coaches didn’t play for AL D, yes he was hired to oversee the whole team, but he was in a learning mode, he learned his mistakes, which is why OC,special teams, OL , LB coaches were fired, did you wanted to see 8-8 again when our 1st pick was in 3rd rd, other teams brought in legit players in FA, and we were cutting our players just to get under the salary cap, including our only decent pass rusher and we paid for it dearly
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 am
I’m out, later nation
January 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Bcz,
Salary cap started in 94.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Well said Teach.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am
848.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:28 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:22 am
The guy had his hands full with other BS, how you want a rookie D minded coach to do everything right in his rookie year, many HOF coaches struggled in their rookie years for one reason or the other
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Other BS, like what? He was hired to oversee a football team, not a Defensive Coordinator. He’s had the least amount of distractions and pressure of any HC in Raiders history.
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Like i said most HOF coaches , struggled in their rookie years for one reason or another and besides Madden all the coaches didn’t play for AL D, yes he was hired to oversee the whole team, but he was in a learning mode, he learned his mistakes, which is why OC,special teams, OL , LB coaches were fired, did you wanted to see 8-8 again when our 1st pick was in 3rd rd, other teams brought in legit players in FA, and we were cutting our players just to get under the salary cap, including our only decent pass rusher and we paid for it dearly
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Still didn’t see an answer for what BS was distracting him from being a HC.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:31 am
846.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Seymour, DHB, Huff, Brisiel, McClain are probably getting the axe.
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Kelly should be on that list two, who had less sacks that Seymour depite playing, if you can call it playing, in more games.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
WHO GIVES A FUGG ABOUT CARSONS NO HUDDLE OFFENSE IT WAS TERRIBLE.
Carson palmer tried the no huddle in the afc north and was absolute terrible. In fact that was one of the worst stretches of the entire season. Picks, sacks, missed reads 3 and outs and the opposing defense scoring touchdowns on errant palmer throws.
Carson was far far better at the beginning of the year when he simply stuck to the script knapp handed him. he tailed off dramatically when he tried to be peyton manning.
He was atrocious throing the ball down field as well, and needed the dink and dunk and the huddle like a fish needs gils.
lets not romantisize or revise history.
palmer in the first 5 games mostly sticking to knapps plan 5 tds 2 turn overs
DURING THE NEXT 12 GAMES 17 TDS 17 TURNOVERS!!!!
Those games featured palmers putrid no huddle and his toothless deep passing.
Nothing to see here, watch the game with your eyes and mind, not your hero stricken heart
January 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
@DennisAllensVisor
Think Wiz stays at center? Or is he a better guard? Is there any centers we should draft or in FA?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:33 am
850.Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Bcz,
Salary cap started in 94.
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I know, I told you that.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am
So Palmer didn’t run the no huddle offense prior to week 6. Ok
I seem to recall it differently (especially him beating Pittsburg with the no huddle)
January 16th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
In an interesting comparison I offer the following:
George Seifert 98-30 with the Niners 16-32 with the Panthers
Tom Flores 83-53 with the Raiders 14-34 with the Seahawks
AMPLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT ON FIELD TALENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!!!!!!
These were all deemed to be very successful coaches yet ALL OF THEM SUFFERED HORRIBLE SEASONS UNTIL THE TALENT ARRIVED. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT PROVEN WINNERS FAIL MISERABLY WITHOUT ENOUGH ON FIELD TALENT.
I am afraid many of you on this blog think it is normal to make coaching changes the moment a bit of adversity comes along. IT IS NOT NORMAL NOR IS IT CONDUCIVE TO WINNING FOOTBALL.
The Raiders were the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports for the past decade. The entire culture, scouting department and compensation system needed to be overhauled.
You can opine away about how Mark Davis is unhappy. The simple fact is that he gave 4 year contracts to Reggie and Allen because he knew this was a massive undertaking that would not get fixed in less than four years. No quick fix when being way over the cap in year one and not having three of your four top picks in your first two drafts. 3-5 years of hard work.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:37 am
855.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
@DennisAllensVisor
Think Wiz stays at center? Or is he a better guard? Is there any centers we should draft or in FA?
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Yo Dutch,….You should chk out PFT All-star game practice coverages….pretty insightful..Right now they love LJ johnson from South Carolina..6-4 323 been dominant so far…
January 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am
847.BOKNOWS Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Tom Moore built the indy offense …..he says he wants a job….why not..?
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Moore isn’t signing with any team that doesn’t wear blue and orange on Sunday.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Cork Still Pouting Cuz His Boy Got Fired?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:39 am
858.Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Tom Landry First season 0-11 first SIX seasons 16-53-3
Chuck Noll First season 1-13 first THREE seasons 12-30
Bill Walsh First season 2-14 first TWO seasons 8-24
Jimmy Johnson First season 1-15 first TWO seasons 8-24
Bill Parcells First season 3-12-1 first two seasons 12-19-1 with the Giants
Bill Parcells First season 5-11 first three seasons 21-27 with the Patriots
In an interesting comparison I offer the following:
George Seifert 98-30 with the Niners 16-32 with the Panthers
Tom Flores 83-53 with the Raiders 14-34 with the Seahawks
AMPLE EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT ON FIELD TALENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN WINNING FOOTBALL GAMES!!!!!!
These were all deemed to be very successful coaches yet ALL OF THEM SUFFERED HORRIBLE SEASONS UNTIL THE TALENT ARRIVED. IT ALSO SHOWS THAT PROVEN WINNERS FAIL MISERABLY WITHOUT ENOUGH ON FIELD TALENT.
I am afraid many of you on this blog think it is normal to make coaching changes the moment a bit of adversity comes along. IT IS NOT NORMAL NOR IS IT CONDUCIVE TO WINNING FOOTBALL.
The Raiders were the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports for the past decade. The entire culture, scouting department and compensation system needed to be overhauled.
You can opine away about how Mark Davis is unhappy. The simple fact is that he gave 4 year contracts to Reggie and Allen because he knew this was a massive undertaking that would not get fixed in less than four years. No quick fix when being way over the cap in year one and not having three of your four top picks in your first two drafts. 3-5 years of hard work.
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Al Davis 1st season….1-11….then had biggest turn around in league history following year..
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
edward teach,
my point is how many of these teams say that they are going to sacrifice a couple of years to ‘rebuild’? Lets look at some of these teams that you say have been devastated by the Salary Cap –
Jets – 2009 2010 – Made it to AFC conference championship. Two seasons of sub par performance led to the GM being fired.
Cowboys – even with JJ messing up personel decisions they are still able to at least compete for a shot at the playoffs.
Saints – Won SB in 2009 crushed by Bounty scandal and played entire season with out much of their coaching staff including their Head Coach. Losing your coaching staff is a bit more important than renegotiating contracts to remain under the Cap.
Why didn’t you mention the Giants? Oh that’s right becuase they won the SB in 2011.
Keep making excuses, I’ll stop when calling DA out when(if) the new regime starts to win.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Maybe Arizona @7, falls in love with Geno Smith.
Acquire their #7, #39 & 2014 1st RD.
Then Draft:
1- Chance Warmack [OG, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- David Bakhtiari [RT, Colorado]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Man, this would be a great draft.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am
So Palmer didn’t run the no huddle offense prior to week 6. Ok
I seem to recall it differently (especially him beating Pittsburg with the no huddle)
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learn to read
during the first 5 weeks he was mostly in the huddle.
The pitt game was the exception. he was unable to match that for the rest of the year, and he did that against a pitt team missing its two main defenders.
It was a mirage and he crashed and burned
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/whisenhunt-may-be-headed-to-denver-as-offensive-coordinator/
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Maybe Arizona @7, falls in love with Geno Smith.
Acquire their #7, #39 & 2014 1st RD.
Then Draft:
1- Chance Warmack [OG, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- David Bakhtiari [RT, Colorado]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Man, this would be a great draft
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No Ace Sanders….?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
WHO GIVES A FUGG ABOUT CARSONS NO HUDDLE OFFENSE IT WAS TERRIBLE.
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@Mistic
You don’t think that the hurry up/no huddle offense also takes advantage of two big weapons on our team of McFadden and Reece? Not many FB/RBs have hands like these guys.
Also, isn’t Chip Kelly system a way to run the no-huddle/hurry up offense and still dictate which plays should be called? I heard Bellicheat consulted with Kelly in the off season to figure out their system of play calling (not sure if it is true, announcer during the Texans blowout).
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
@DennisAllensVisor
Think Wiz stays at center? Or is he a better guard? Is there any centers we should draft or in FA?
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I think he is a better fit in a power scheme at either position.
Barrett Jones would be a great choice.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am
im out
nothing but good ol boys that cant stand the wave of the future and the new football paradigm.
allen better get his right or I wont be very interested next year, and many people feel the way i do as well
FREE TP6
GO HYBRID OR GO HOME
peace
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am
New regime has done a great job ridding the organization of “false rumor mongers”. The lack of information sucks but Reggie definitely got rid of the loose lips
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Al Davis 1st season….1-11….then had biggest turn around in league history following year
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Actually, Al Davis wasn’t with the team in 62 when they went 1-13. He was with the chargers. His first year(1963) he went 10-4
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Thanks BOKNOWS!
January 16th, 2013 at 10:45 am
So Chip Kelly to the Eagles, maybe we better rush the hiring of OC before other, far more respected Coaches start filling out their staff.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am
BOKNOWS Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Maybe Arizona @7, falls in love with Geno Smith.
Acquire their #7, #39 & 2014 1st RD.
Then Draft:
1- Chance Warmack [OG, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- David Bakhtiari [RT, Colorado]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Ray Ray Armstrong [S, Miami]
Man, this would be a great draft
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No Ace Sanders….?
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I like Ace.
But with what we need, I dont want to use a 1,2, or 3 on a WR/QB/RB.. not even on a CB if it works out right.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
WHO GIVES A FUGG ABOUT CARSONS NO HUDDLE OFFENSE IT WAS TERRIBLE.
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@Mistic
You don’t think that the hurry up/no huddle offense also takes advantage of two big weapons on our team of McFadden and Reece? Not many FB/RBs have hands like these guys.
Also, isn’t Chip Kelly system a way to run the no-huddle/hurry up offense and still dictate which plays should be called? I heard Bellicheat consulted with Kelly in the off season to figure out their system of play calling (not sure if it is true, announcer during the Texans blowout).
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I love the no huddle. Its good as a change up or it can be a staple. warren moon, the k gun, boomer and the sugar huddle and so on.
I dont think carson is very good at it at this stage of his career.
the no huddle offense is fantastic
carson is not
January 16th, 2013 at 10:47 am
871.CTConstruction Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 am
New regime has done a great job ridding the organization of “false rumor mongers”. The lack of information sucks but Reggie definitely got rid of the loose lips
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Inside sources just cannot understand Reggie’s ramblings, that’s all.
Reggie: “????, ??? ? ?????? Ham Sammich!”
January 16th, 2013 at 10:48 am
DT 42
You can not compare us to other teams in the NFL!!!!!
Nothing like this has ever occurred.
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie had to deal with when he took the job.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million for 2012-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
Reggie:
“Guys, I mean what happened this offseason; I don’t wish that on anybody, maybe the other teams in our division. That was a struggle, especially coming in here as a rookie GM. I remember talking to Ted Thompson. His rookie year he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that. I talked to guys all around the league. I didn’t realize what the situation, how difficult and what other people thought about it. When you get the job people call and say, ‘What are you going to do with that cap? You’re all what over the cap. How are you going to do that?’
You want the players to doggone take it upon themselves and run it. We’re not at that level.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
Perhaps you understand why I say this is a 3-5 year project.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:48 am
286.eastoaklandraider Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
alex7 Says:
January 15th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Crabtree’s final 5 regular seasons games this year:
11 catches 101 yards
11 catches 93 yards
12 catches 107 yards
9 catches 65 yards
13 catches 172 yards
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Yeah ill take that, seems dhb will never have a stretch like that.
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Change games to months and he will.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Oakland Packers ain’t gonna get nuthin but scraps for a coaching staff. Trestman and Kromer gone. While hunt ain’t coming. Better just grab Castillo now for line coach. Oakland packers baby. What a joke.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 am
880.MarcusAllen Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Oakland Packers ain’t gonna get nuthin but scraps for a coaching staff. Trestman and Kromer gone. While hunt ain’t coming. Better just grab Castillo now for line coach. Oakland packers baby. What a joke.
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In Reggie’s defense, it’s at least better than the Oakland Bengals Hue was building.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Bcz,
Sorry dude. I was confused. I read salary cap, but for some reason I thought FA.
I apologize.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Working on a mock of Senior Bowl players only.
Seeing how there is history of teams who coached the Senior Bowl drafting heavy off the teams.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:56 am
is mcfool still excusing everything da and reggie?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Loser Al the troll so up in AL’s bunghole that he doesn’t realize we were the laughing stock of the league with AL, in the past decade
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am
charlie…that is a lame excuse…a good gm handles those numbers, Reggie isnt one. i agree with you on the fact that they should build up the oline but with a mean powerful nasty attitude…reggie doesnt believe that.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:59 am
lmao shouldve known…mcbootlicker hanging around…
January 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How can anybody defend AL’s actions since 03, but go on and bash a new management just in it’s first year, i think AL is Sullivan44 , trying to irritate people, ok sullivan44 i won’t respond to you anymore
January 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Al Davis did always order the best charmin toilet paper though. there was less ass chaffing when al was around, he took care of his people.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am
888.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How can anybody defend AL’s actions since 03, but go on and bash a new management just in it’s first year, i think AL is Sullivan44 , trying to irritate people, ok sullivan44 i won’t respond to you anymore
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4-12 Wasn’t acceptable when Al did it, shouldn’t be acceptable now.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58 am
charlie…that is a lame excuse…a good gm handles those numbers, Reggie isnt one. i agree with you on the fact that they should build up the oline but with a mean powerful nasty attitude…reggie doesnt believe that.
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Not really, it really doesn’t make your life as easier as the guys who had money to spend, the job is still harder wether you could some how get ur team under the cap or not, once your 22 M over the cap, there’s for sure reason you ain’t bringing in any marquee FA like M Williams who buffalo got for like 7 year 100 M contract or a top CB line Cortland Finnegan who Rams got for like 5 year 60 M contract, all you can do is bring in guys at 3 M a year, couple M a year, those guys are only cheap because they s8ck, n then first pick at # 96, all 31 teams pick 3 players each already before it was our turn to pick our first, and remember these are the teams we are going against, so how the eff are you going to compete, that’s like building a team without a QB, who the eff are you going to snap the ball to ?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:04 am
dont try to think mcxcuse…you’ll just hurt yourself…in case you havent noticed, you get no respect in here…”give greg knapp a chance…you’ll see…” lmao
January 16th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Cowboys special teams coach Joe DeCamillis didn’t get the Bears head coaching job he interviewed for, but he’s going to work for them anyway.
According to Todd Archer of ESPNDallas.com, the Cowboys allowed DeCamillis to make what amounts to a lateral move to go work for the Bears as an assistant under new head coach Marc Trestman.
The Cowboys blocked a move to Oakland last year which would have included the assistant head coach title last year, but not this offseason.
…….
Cowboys blocked him coming to Raiders but let him go to the Bears.
Also reports that Garrett may still be in trouble in Dallas.
He would be a good OC
January 16th, 2013 at 11:06 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:03 am
888.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:00 am
How can anybody defend AL’s actions since 03, but go on and bash a new management just in it’s first year, i think AL is Sullivan44 , trying to irritate people, ok sullivan44 i won’t respond to you anymore
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4-12 Wasn’t acceptable when Al did it, shouldn’t be acceptable now.
– I know it’s not acceptable and I’m not happy either, but i have problems with idiots like Al the troll who at the same time talk about Man D was awesome , when in fact the last time we saw man D , it couldn’t even force 1 punt with everything on line, or how he says our 6th and 7th picks s8cked reggiee could have done better, Are you kidding with me? when Al constantly messed up in first round, the guys whole purpose is to just irritate people, now i’m convinced he’s sullivan44
January 16th, 2013 at 11:08 am
greg knapps last name rhymes with crap and that makes him cool in my book
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Actually I thought he said he was NorcoBob
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Al was a football genius.
Al loved Capernick, loved Jim Harbaugh, Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league.
Reggie can’t hold Al’s jock.
Reggie will never see 500 as a GM.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:04 am
dont try to think mcxcuse…you’ll just hurt yourself…in case you havent noticed, you get no respect in here…”give greg knapp a chance…you’ll see…” lmao
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think about what? it’s not a rocket science that ur just a troll, you defend man D LMFAO when it couldn’t force a punt, talk about how everything s8cks, and talk about how awesome AL was last 10 years, when we were laughed at by everybody, then talk about how reggie missed on his 5th and 6th rd picks of all picks lol when Al miss on every 1st round pick LMFAO, trolling at finest
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
An interesting quote on Profootballweekly:
• “Marc Trestman’s offenses were so complex that his players could not learn it. He’s a lawyer who overcooks the game. That is why he has not gotten back in the NFL. Your quarterback has got to be able to understand the offense. There are not many that can handle everything he puts on their plates.”
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Actually I thought he said he was NorcoBob
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WHo al the troll? either way, it’s one of those trolls, SUllivan44 , JONGRUDEN13, all the whiner lovers
January 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Reggie will never see 500 as a GM.
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…and if he does, you will just change your tag and post about how you knew all along that he would get it turned around.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Al was a football genius.
Al loved Capernick, loved Jim Harbaugh, Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league.
Reggie can’t hold Al’s jock.
Reggie will never see 500 as a GM.
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Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league, yet used 1st round pick on him ?, LMFAO what a brain fart
January 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Reggie will never see 500 as a GM.
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…and if he does, you will just change your tag and post about how you knew all along that he would get it turned around.
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Just a long list of trolls who have nothing to add, but just fire REg fire this fire that, lol he said Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league, when AL drafted him HAHHAHAA
January 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am
900.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Actually I thought he said he was NorcoBob
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WHo al the troll? either way, it’s one of those trolls, SUllivan44 , JONGRUDEN13, all the whiner lovers
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You know Sully. He HATES Al Davis with a passion.
I doubt he would portray any character who was an Al supporter.
JONGRUDEN2013 is currently playing the role of KoolKell…as Kell’s imposter.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league.
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Yeah, and he gave the same amount of money to Stanford Routt. He sure did pull a fast one on the NFL with that gem.
He still was only above .500 4 times in the 17 years since the salary cap was enacted.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am
All Senior Bowl mock:
1- Star Lotulelei [NT, Utah]
3- Kevin Reddick [ILB, N.Carolina]
4- Trevardo Williams [DE/OLB, UConn]
6- J.C. Tretter [OG, Cornell]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio ST]
7- J.J. Wilcox [S, G.Southern]
January 16th, 2013 at 11:15 am
mcfool…you going to hurt yourself knapp lover…stop trying to think…
January 16th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Charlie,
You know what? Fine. Lets just suck for 3 to 5 years and then realize that the people running the show are going in the wrong direction. Add another 5 years to fix that problem. So we can make it to 8-8 in about 8 to 10 years right? I mean thats what your telling us to do. Embrace the suck for the next 10 years so we can be maybe we can get to 8-8. The Salary Cap is an EXCUSE.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Welp, scratch Joe DeCamillis off my wish list.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:14 am
900.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 am
bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Actually I thought he said he was NorcoBob
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WHo al the troll? either way, it’s one of those trolls, SUllivan44 , JONGRUDEN13, all the whiner lovers
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You know Sully. He HATES Al Davis with a passion.
I doubt he would portray any character who was an Al supporter.
JONGRUDEN2013 is currently playing the role of KoolKell…as Kell’s imposter.
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Sully may hate al with passion, but he loves irritating people more with passion, so what ever he can get his hands on, like AL was this and that, how al’s last 10 years were awesome, lmfao , whatever that will not make sense, so we would just end up arguing with him and call him stupid names, etc , etc instead of focusing on the real topic on hand
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Somebody slap the sht out of Mcfaggen20.He makes me sick.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am
The Salary Cap is an EXCUSE.
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Really? LOL. That’s like saying a fiery plane crash is an excuse for dying.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Al_the_troll may not turn out to be sully, but 1 thing we all can agree on is that, he’s a troll
January 16th, 2013 at 11:20 am
all he does slob over reggies c0k…any excuse to give him a pass…i swear…blind…i bet car salesmen love him…
January 16th, 2013 at 11:20 am
I was about to say , look for another troll Oakfshow to show up , they all show up in numbers, LMFAO, look for him to just keep calling people names and say the same thing, Dr thompson DT al the troll been saying, Reg s8cks, fire reg, etc etc etc, n then he showed up lol
January 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am
LMFAO
January 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am
We would be having this exact same conversation no matter WHO our GM was right now.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am
We will get nothing but scrubs for assistants.Nobody wants to work for a tranny.Also its obvious bottom lip has no idea what he is doing.Good coaches wont come here and I cant blame them. Fire the bottom lip retard and Denise now and lets get back to work.What a fkn joke theses two are!
January 16th, 2013 at 11:22 am
912.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am
The Salary Cap is an EXCUSE.
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Really? LOL. That’s like saying a fiery plane crash is an excuse for dying.
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Yeah becuase players NEVER RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT!?!?!?!?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 am
791.BOKNOWS Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 am
How about Tom Moore for OC….he’s lookin for a job..?
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I can roll with that. I’ll even get the cigarettes.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Mcfaggen20 = 2 year football fan.Anyone who prdicts playoffs for a 4-12 team is an idiot.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
the only thing reggie can do to sace hinself is bring in gruden…maybe peterson….as head coaches…saunders or ault would be good for ocs….martz maybe but he needs to run more.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
AAl knew Aso was overrated so he didn’t re-sign him.
Aso signed with Philly and played poorly.
Try to keep up.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
DT42 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:22 am
912.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am
The Salary Cap is an EXCUSE.
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Really? LOL. That’s like saying a fiery plane crash is an excuse for dying.
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Yeah becuase players NEVER RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT!?!?!?!?
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The problem is paying 10 million for a guy who is worth 3.
The money doesnt disappear
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
I will let all the trolls have fun with themselves, later Bcz24, save your football knowledge for real football fans bro, don’t waste it on these irritating trolls that basically have one or 2 things to say, fire reg, fire Da, and when you try to respond back they will call you names , like Mxcuse lol
January 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
AL
Reggie does believe in building the lines through the draft.
“I want to win up front, and that’s on both sides of the ball, with the big boys.”
Much to my dissapointment Mr. Davis got away from using high draft picks to build our lines. It is what we used to do.
IT IS THE HERITAGE OF RAIDER FOOTBALL.
Physically gifted, ill tempered athletes on the line of scrimmage.
That is what we need to retore us to winning football.
On that we agree.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
Conners #2 Schuh #2 Upshaw #1 Thoms #1 Buehler #2 Villapianao #2 Korver #2 Johnson#2
Lawrence #2 Millen #2 Mosebar #1 Pickell #2
The way the Raiders became a power was by building the lines with high picks then getting someone to carry the ball with later picks.
Perhaps that was more Ron Wolf than Mr Davis but that is the way we did it;
Hewritt Dixon 8th round by Denver
Clem Daniels Free Agent
Hubbard 11th round
Van Eegahn 3rd round
Clarence Davis 4th round
Banaszak 5th round
Charlie Smith 4th round
Don Highsmith 13th round
The only high round picks we invested on a RB in the history of the Raiders were Allen 1st, Kaufman 1st Bell 2nd and DMAC 1st.
Even Bo was a 7th rounder because of his two sport option.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
AAl knew Aso was overrated so he didn’t re-sign him.
Aso signed with Philly and played poorly.
Try to keep up.
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He continually Franchise Tagged a guy he knew was overrated… Interesting.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
922.Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
the only thing reggie can do to sace hinself is bring in gruden…maybe peterson….as head coaches…saunders or ault would be good for ocs….martz maybe but he needs to run more.
I agree %100.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Yeah becuase players NEVER RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT!?!?!?!?
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Let me help you junior, playing Al’s salary cap game netted us 4 winning seasons since the salary cap was enacted. 4. Out of 17. That is below 25% success rate. Why in the hell would you want ANYONE to continue that practice.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Ault retired.
From talking with one of his Nevada players, he isnt coaching anymore.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Al loved Capernick, loved Jim Harbaugh, Al knew Aso was overrated before the rest of the league.
Al loved a lot of athletes and guys with coaching brains, but notice he was not smart enough to hire Harbaugh back when…and when the guys he admired reached the point in their careers where there was competition for their services, they knew to stay away from Al, even IF he wanted them.
Al was smart-stupid.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am
charlie i agree but his drafting of bergstrom and jettison of barksdale/campbell is puzzling..
January 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Mcfaggen20,football knowledge? AAAAA HAAAAAAA. Playoffs rememeber? Great football knowledge.Your not worth a squirt of piss.Come back in a few years after you learn a thing or two,or three.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
January 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Al knew the odds were against him winning, and he went all in.
Bet the savings on a hand he knew he wasnt going to win.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am
DT42
The problem is summarized below.
NO ONE ON THE PLANET TAKES TEN YEARS OF MISMANGEMENT AND FIXES IT IN ONE.
You can cry like a 4 year old and complain about coaching and how the regime stinks and that the hot dogs are cold and our stadium stinks or you can deal with our reality.
WE LACK TALENT, PICKS AND MONEY!!!!
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 YEARS.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
WE HAVE DRAFTED POORLY AND IGNORED LINE PLAY. DISASTROUS!
Panic set in and we started to sign past the prime free agents and trade picks in 2007 and later.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am
The instability that Al allowed to shape the organization is the very reason why we never attracted any top tier Head Coaches.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Brown not a fan of Trestman……
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/52435/marc-trestman-hire-shocks-tim-brown
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 am
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
2012 –
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DMC, Houston & Wiz are the only NFL caliber starters on this list.
11 years, 3 starters.
Thats a HUGE problem.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am
trade TP to philly with chip
January 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Trestman is now the hc of the bears.Moveing on.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:36 am
We need an OC that likes to go vertical, that imo would suit palmer best. Bring back Saunders or take a chance on Martz.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:37 am
929.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Yeah becuase players NEVER RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT!?!?!?!?
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Let me help you junior, playing Al’s salary cap game netted us 4 winning seasons since the salary cap was enacted. 4. Out of 17. That is below 25% success rate. Why in the hell would you want ANYONE to continue that practice.
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IMO it wasn’t so much the players Al brought all the time it was what we did with them once we were here.
Not in all cases of course.
DeAngelo Hall and Randy Moss come to mind as examples.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:37 am
924.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
DT42 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:22 am
912.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 am
The Salary Cap is an EXCUSE.
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Really? LOL. That’s like saying a fiery plane crash is an excuse for dying.
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Yeah becuase players NEVER RENEGOTIATE THEIR CONTRACTS RIGHT!?!?!?!?
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The problem is paying 10 million for a guy who is worth 3.
The money doesnt disappear
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Don’t be naive to think that teams don’t get around the Cap. Players can be traded for low round picks which can be packaged and traded to teams for players that are targeted by the Raiders. Players can rework their contracts to provide Cap relief. C’mon, be serious.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am
939.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 am
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
2012 –
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DMC, Houston & Wiz are the only NFL caliber starters on this list.
11 years, 3 starters.
Thats a HUGE problem.
8-8 to 4-12 = problem. Like we all dont know our draft picks havent panned out or something.Enough of the Al bashing.The man is a legend and he is dead.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:39 am
man this blows we r stuck with DA while all these other teams r improving themselves with coaching and we r told to be patient on a 5 year plan what a bunch BULL
January 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Trestman to Bears? Cutler for MVP?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Please google search how the salary cap works or stop talking about it please.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Al’s mistakes doesnt have sht to do with Reggie and Denise.These 2 morons will regress each year until we pick #1 overall and are fired.I can see it plain as day.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am
stuck with DA on a gut feeling…
January 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:25 am
AL
Reggie does believe in building the lines through the draft.
“I want to win up front, and that’s on both sides of the ball, with the big boys.”
Much to my dissapointment Mr. Davis got away from using high draft picks to build our lines. It is what we used to do.
IT IS THE HERITAGE OF RAIDER FOOTBALL.
Physically gifted, ill tempered athletes on the line of scrimmage.
That is what we need to retore us to winning football.
On that we agree.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
Conners #2 Schuh #2 Upshaw #1 Thoms #1 Buehler #2 Villapianao #2 Korver #2 Johnson#2
Lawrence #2 Millen #2 Mosebar #1 Pickell #2
The way the Raiders became a power was by building the lines with high picks then getting someone to carry the ball with later picks.
Perhaps that was more Ron Wolf than Mr Davis but that is the way we did it;
Hewritt Dixon 8th round by Denver
Clem Daniels Free Agent
Hubbard 11th round
Van Eegahn 3rd round
Clarence Davis 4th round
Banaszak 5th round
Charlie Smith 4th round
Don Highsmith 13th round
The only high round picks we invested on a RB in the history of the Raiders were Allen 1st, Kaufman 1st Bell 2nd and DMAC 1st.
Even Bo was a 7th rounder because of his two sport option.
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Great post, defintely time to reload the lines. We need some young beasts on both sides. If Star is gone at 3 I hope we can trade down. DAV suggested Arizona might trade if Geno is available.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie fired Hue?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
oakfshow Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am
939.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 am
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
2012 –
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DMC, Houston & Wiz are the only NFL caliber starters on this list.
11 years, 3 starters.
Thats a HUGE problem.
8-8 to 4-12 = problem. Like we all dont know our draft picks havent panned out or something.Enough of the Al bashing.The man is a legend and he is dead.
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I love Al Davis.
But the facts are facts jack.
Hold onto it all you want, but 8-8 wasnt good enough for Al, isnt for me either.
Get on board or keep complaining, either way is fine.
Just observe the facts.
Raider on man.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie hired DA?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Warmack=bang for your buck.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie fired Hue?
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Its Hue’s fault that he isnt here.
He knows it, and he’s said he wishes he can get back his words.
Move on.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie hired Knapp?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am
looks like mumbles has hitched his wagon to DA they will both go down together like the fcking titanic why on earth these gms r so stubborn and stick with there mistakes just cuz there stubborn and wanna prove there right is such a bunch of bull just be pro active and admit ur mistake while its early and move on and get it right geeze
January 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Knapp worked under Al at one point too.
Please.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie signed Breisel to a 4 year deal?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
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I love Al Davis.
But the facts are facts jack.
Hold onto it all you want, but 8-8 wasnt good enough for Al, isnt for me either.
Get on board or keep complaining, either way is fine.
Just observe the facts.
Raider on man.
So regression is good enough for you I guess.Facts are facts.8-8 is competing. 4-12 is regressing.Period.Fk bottom lip.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:42 am
stuck with DA on a gut feeling
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Well it is a mighty big gut…..
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie signed Bartell and Spencer?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
If you can’t use the right there [their], please dont insult another man’s intelligence.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
well dennisallensvisor if 8 and 8 wasnt good for u how do u feel about 4 and 12 ?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Wamack = instant upgrade in the run game.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Don’t feed the trolls.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am
2013 3-13,2014 2-14,2015 #1 overall pick. By BY bottom lip.Watch.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Is it Al’s fault that Reggie let Bush walk without offering him a competitive contract?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
ian85 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:47 am
well dennisallensvisor if 8 and 8 wasnt good for u how do u feel about 4 and 12 ?
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Hate it.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Its Bye, not by.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
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Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
The football morons love to point out spelling and use the word troll dont they? It’s all they have got left after the bottom lip faliure. Fkn man up. It was a mistake.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
2012 –
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The sad part is that the kids could have been solid if not for the turnstile coaching and lack of strategy to develop young players… I dont blame the players we drafted, I blame the POS management.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
It’s understood this wasn’t a perfect situation for Reggie to walk into but I think there is only disagreement as to what degree of badness.
Any team that hires a new GM and HC had issues to begin with or else there wouldn’t have been a vacancy in the first place.
I don’t know how it can be said that this is the worst situation in history w/o dissecting the other 31 teams entire draft classes over the last 10 years and every free agent they acquired, and then analyzing the contracts, player value at the time, etc. etc.
I hear analysts say we had cap issues this yr. and bad drafts the last 10 overall, but not to the extent of this situation being the worst ever in the history of sports as is being suggested here.
It sounds like some of you are Reggies agents or something. You won’t admit a single thing he did wrong; it’s all “understandable” cuz he walked into this cesspool of ineptitude that has been festering for 30 yr’s.
For as many analysts who see the cap and draft issues, there are many who see consecutive 8-8’s and an effective offense that Reggie walked into. Not the dumpster fire from hell that some are portraying.
IMO the real deal is somewhere in the middle.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
787.mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:46 am
I still think Mingo is the better DE/OLB in the draft.
– D MOORE baby, he was playing with an injury half the year and still managed to be top 3 in secs in SEC and led his team in tackles from DE position, that’s amazing
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None of thsoe guys is worth the 3rd overall pick.
Trading down is imperative.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
The trolls are fat in here, need to starve ‘em out.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Don’t be naive to think that teams don’t get around the Cap. Players can be traded for low round picks which can be packaged and traded to teams for players that are targeted by the Raiders. Players can rework their contracts to provide Cap relief. C’mon, be serious.
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Yup. Clearly that is proven to be an effective strategy, just look at Al’s pristine track record in the salary cap era… 4 winning seasons.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
972.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Its Bye, not by.
Your a fkn pzzy! Shut up.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am
You’re. Not your.
You’re = You are.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am
978.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
The trolls are fat in here, need to starve ‘em out.
Get out then before you get eatin idiot.Go suck on Reggies bottom lip some more.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Eaten, not eatin.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
981.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am
You’re. Not your.
You’re = You are.
Best you got? Fkn queer.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
973.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
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Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am
983.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Eaten, not eatin.
I bet your filthy hor mother is proud of your spelling.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Gruden will sell tickets, not sure he will win games though.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
Dude,I sure hope you are correct.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
987.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Gruden will sell tickets, not sure he will win games though.
^^^^^^
He has more upside to win games than your Visor Boy.
Bad hire by the Bolts to hire another overrated Bronco assistant like McCoy. He won’t take them anywhere either.
The Broncos look to be hiring Whiz as their OC also.
They upgraded by letting DA walk and got Del Rio (who McK should have interviewed at least as out HC) and now they will upgrade their offense with Whiz to replace McCoy.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
985.DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
973.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
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Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
^^^^^^^^
You would think if Davis and McK wanted Gruden bad enough, they would have hired him by now.
One can only hope and dream that Gruden comes back!
January 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Oakfshow
8-8 with a team that we could not afford and a gutted draft selection for the next two years.
I think Mr. Davis was one of the greatest owners and members of the NFL that ever lived.
THE FACTS ARE THAT WE WERE 45-99 the last nine years of his tenure with SIX DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
Mr. Davis (I always refer to him that way out of respect) and his scouting department LOST THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT TALENTED PLAYERS.
THAT FACT IS OBVIOUS!
THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!!!
We had 27 NEW PLAYERS ON THE 2012 ROSTER COMPARED TO THE 2011 ROSTER due to injuries and player purge because we could not afford the team we had in 2011.
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million for 2012-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
>>>>
I was warm to this hire, but after rethinking, I don’t know. The offense is complicated and requires patience, IQ, and diligence. Two players that come to mind that would be out right away would be McF and Moore.
Just a hunch.
Plus Martz is a QB eater… CP has been a great teammate thus far according to all accounts… how long would that last if he started butting heads with Martz?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
987.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Gruden will sell tickets, not sure he will win games though.
^^^^^^
He has more upside to win games than your Visor Boy.
Bad hire by the Bolts to hire another overrated Bronco assistant like McCoy. He won’t take them anywhere either.
The Broncos look to be hiring Whiz as their OC also.
They upgraded by letting DA walk and got Del Rio (who McK should have interviewed at least as out HC) and now they will upgrade their offense with Whiz to replace McCoy.
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The funny thing is you think DA is my boy because my blog name..
The Oakland Raiders are my ‘boy’.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
979.bcz24 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Don’t be naive to think that teams don’t get around the Cap. Players can be traded for low round picks which can be packaged and traded to teams for players that are targeted by the Raiders. Players can rework their contracts to provide Cap relief. C’mon, be serious.
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Yup. Clearly that is proven to be an effective strategy, just look at Al’s pristine track record in the salary cap era… 4 winning seasons.
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Because Al was the only GM that has tried that right? None of the other teams in the NFL would ever do that right?? C’mon try harder.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Vegas has the Raiders as the LONGEST odds on the Board to win the SuperBowl in 2014.
150 to 1.
Dead last out of 32 teams.
Doesn’t Vegas realize who Reggie is???
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
946.ian85 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:39 am
man this blows we r stuck with DA while all these other teams r improving themselves with coaching and we r told to be patient on a 5 year plan what a bunch BULL
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You’re right. It’s not.
I can understand keeping DA another yr. but I think any talk of 5 years is getting into serious excuse areas.
Carolina made it to the NFC title game in year 3 of their existence. Granted they had more draft picks to help get em up and running, but all they had for FA’s were guys the other teams dumped on them, and they were not their good players either.
There wasn’t some edict from NFL hq’s that “we must make Carolina a powerhouse by year 3″.
They got it done by working well with what they had and good coaching.
IMO we need to expect a little bit more than just the non-stop reasons for why we have to suck forever.
Let’s talk about how we get out of this, and stop[ blaming Al Davis for all the world’s problems.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
991.Charlie Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Oakfshow
8-8 with a team that we could not afford and a gutted draft selection for the next two years.
I think Mr. Davis was one of the greatest owners and members of the NFL that ever lived.
THE FACTS ARE THAT WE WERE 45-99 the last nine years of his tenure with SIX DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
Mr. Davis (I always refer to him that way out of respect) and his scouting department LOST THE ABILITY TO ATTRACT TALENTED PLAYERS.
THAT FACT IS OBVIOUS!
THOSE ARE THE FACTS!!!!
We had 27 NEW PLAYERS ON THE 2012 ROSTER COMPARED TO THE 2011 ROSTER due to injuries and player purge because we could not afford the team we had in 2011.
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million for 2012-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
======================================================= And you just keep on telling us things we already know guy! Al is dead,and we are 4-12.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
973.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
—
Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Love that theory! Wish it were true..strange no word of Gruden interviewing with any other teams though. Philly fans wanted Gruden.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Macho Man
You are reaching.
Seven different staffs over the past ten tears with basically the same results?
No our players were not good enough relative to what other teams in the NFL have on the field.
Too make matters worse we overpaid the players!!!!
Lack of player talent is the root cause of our problem.
As Madden says:
“It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
January 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Because Al was the only GM that has tried that right? None of the other teams in the NFL would ever do that right?? C’mon try harder.
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Not successfully no. You can’t do that. You can manipulate the cap here and there, for a player like a Manning or a Brady but to CONSTANTLY play that game every year, you clearly can’t be successful. Al is the ONLY guy who used the method over and over again for a reason.
Think of it like a credit card, eventually the bill is going to come due, if you manage it properly there wont be a problem, but if you abuse it you are going bankrupt.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
First of all DA as HC is NOT the short or long term answer for this team.
He is a waste of time. Possibly a position filler until they possibly move back to LA. Ugh
January 16th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
973.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
—
Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
^^^^^^^^
Why would Gruden not have been “ready” by Senior Bowl?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
The blind just cant seem to relize we had the 9th best offense in the league last year with the same players on O – Bush. get your heads out of your a$$. A team we couldnt afford? Please.Thats bullsht!
January 16th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
oakfshow Says:
And you just keep on telling us things we already know guy! Al is dead,and we are 4-12.
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Guess no one knew that.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Martz’s O needs a massive Allpro Oline.
Does not exist here at this time. Doubt he gets the nod.
Mark Davis gave four year deals to Reggie and DA because he knows it will take that long to fix this thing. He will never say that publicly because we need to sell tix.
I wish things were better but I am afraid it is our reality.
Here is hoping to the best draft possible and getting better players.
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
My time is up. I thank you for yours. Good day.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
First of all DA as HC is NOT the short or long term answer for this team.
He is a waste of time. Possibly a position filler until they possibly move back to LA. Ugh
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Till Gruden comes home. Mark has his watch set and it’s ticking…..
January 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Did everyone’s cap figure stay the same from 2011 to 2012?..
January 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Gdog Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
>>>>
I was warm to this hire, but after rethinking, I don’t know. The offense is complicated and requires patience, IQ, and diligence. Two players that come to mind that would be out right away would be McF and Moore.
Just a hunch.
Plus Martz is a QB eater… CP has been a great teammate thus far according to all accounts… how long would that last if he started butting heads with Martz?
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Who gives a sht what kind of teammate Palmer has been? Where has his being a good teammate gotten us? Maybe if he turned into a bad teammate, we might just make it to 5-11.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Funny if you look back on bottom lips oringanal presser he says” I believes we’s wins wiff defense.” Yea,take a look at GreenBay’s defense.Great job Reggie.Get out.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Mark Davis is a disgrace.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
I think Im gonna change my name to MarkDavisHair..
January 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Any new “scuttlebutt”?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Mark Davis is a disgrace.
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I hear what you are saying Dr however, do not count him out.
Mr. Davis recognizies he is not a football guru like his father is a good thing.
He is trying to rectify the Mumbles hiring by putting someone above him.
Also of not, TP would have never sniffed the field had not Mr. Davis stepped in.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
1003.oakfshow Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
The blind just cant seem to relize we had the 9th best offense in the league last year with the same players on O – Bush. get your heads out of your a$$. A team we couldnt afford? Please.Thats bullsht!
^^^^^^^
It is bull crap. All that needed to be done was to keep Hue, let him hire a legit DC and McK can work on cap and payroll and personnel.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
1011.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
I think Im gonna change my name to MarkDavisHair..
Im I’m = I am.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
1014.DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
1003.oakfshow Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
The blind just cant seem to relize we had the 9th best offense in the league last year with the same players on O – Bush. get your heads out of your a$$. A team we couldnt afford? Please.Thats bullsht!
^^^^^^^
It is bull crap. All that needed to be done was to keep Hue, let him hire a legit DC and McK can work on cap and payroll and personnel.
You got it! School them please.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
charlie…do you think mccheese wants to build the line? If so what kind of line? It looks like a weak small line but that may be because they were going to go zbs…what now?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
It actually should have been ‘i’m’.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
gonna…going to….alright that’s not too fun…
January 16th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Mike Brisiel is 6′5″ 310.
Tony Bergstrom is 6′5″ 310.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Looks like some good Coaching guys are being scooped up.
Marc Trestman was never gonna come here for OC.. he was just using us as leverage or would be gone in a year. Maybe Reggie knew that but still wanted a chance to talk.
My question to u, is why didnt REGGIE interview CHIP KELLY, or Marc Trestman last year?
It was all Marty Morthweig, Winston Moss, Mike Tice, Dennis Allen, Mccoy Turned him down cuz he thought he had miami gig.
Dennis Allen was the best out of the bunch we interviewd last year, I will give him that.
Marc Trestman would have been intersting last year as HC.. espeically with the talent we had on offense. and yes we have talent.
Dont let anyone tell u otherwise. Cuz in 2011 it was the future is bright with the offense of stars we have.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
it didn’t help either of them…
January 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Breisel = SCRUB
Bergstrom = SCRUB
Blame it on Al.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Take a look at the bottom lipped built GreenBay defense.Yea I want him building the Raider defense. Mark sure fked this up worse then his father did anyday.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
The 2011 Oakland Raiders, best 8-8 team ever.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
McK and DA better get Carmichael as OC/Assistant HC or the Raiders are in trouble….again.
Heck, even Moringwheg would work at this point.
Kromer would rather go with Trestman in Chicago for crying out loud.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
it really is funny…no talent? Ausberry, reece, dmc, bey, ford, moore…a good oc would be dreaming of plays….
January 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
McK and DA better get Carmichael as OC/Assistant HC or the Raiders are in trouble….again.
Heck, even Moringwheg would work at this point.
Kromer would rather go with Trestman in Chicago for crying out loud.
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Chicago is a better option, easy.
I agree though, Mornhinweg & Carmichael Jr have to be priorities.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
I’m not a big beleiver in Martz.He is Callahan to me,but I will take him anyday over Knapp and his gay a$$ zoneblocking bullsht.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Lol at the grammar bickering in here. You little kiddies want to take it outside to the playground?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
it really is funny…no talent? Ausberry, reece, dmc, bey, ford, moore…a good oc would be dreaming of plays….
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To be fair, DMC/Ford cant stay on the field.
DHB/Moore have problems catching the ball and running routes.
Ausberry cant block.
Reece = Stud.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Lol at the grammar bickering in here. You little kiddies want to take it outside to the playground?
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Well you can’t question another person’s intelligence while mispelling the simplest of words, right?..
LOL
January 16th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
992.Gdog Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
>>>>
I was warm to this hire, but after rethinking, I don’t know. The offense is complicated and requires patience, IQ, and diligence. Two players that come to mind that would be out right away would be McF and Moore.
Just a hunch.
Plus Martz is a QB eater… CP has been a great teammate thus far according to all accounts… how long would that last if he started butting heads with Martz?
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I think CP needs to butt heads more often. Palmer is too much of a company guy imo. I think he’s afraid of being a jerk after his rep took a hit after the Cincy thing.
They say Manning (Peyton) is basically the “field oc” for Denver and that he runs the show for all intents and purposes.
When did we have the most success in the passing game? When CP “audibled” and no huddled right?
If CP is gonna be our guy next season then he needs to act like the “elite” qb he says he is and take control.
Whether you think he sucks or not, if he’s our guy you wnat us to win games right?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
is this draft really deep enough to trade back? we don’t need guys we need star players…
January 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Using the wrong ‘there’ and ‘your’ are pet peeves of mine.
I apologize if I offended anyone.
God Bless.
I’m out for the day.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Now that Trestman is locked up, I wonder if we’re still waiting on candidates that might still be with the 4 teams left in the playoffs.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
1025.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
The 2011 Oakland Raiders, best 8-8 team ever.
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2010 was better
January 16th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
1007.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Did everyone’s cap figure stay the same from 2011 to 2012?..
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Sort of. The base cap stayed flat at about $120 million, some teams (dallas and washington) have less due to penalty. Most teams have at least a small amount of cap surplus to carry over from last year, even us. However the cap surplus can only be carried over once. So if you carried over say 10 million from 2010 into 2011 which gave you a 130 million salary cap, at the end of the year, they would still only use the base of 120 million to calculate the surplus that is carried over.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
I cant believe these cross posters?!?!
still posting trash like
“trade pryor to chip in philly”
On a team that is so dreadful on offense like we are that makes no sense.
The raiders were awful all year near the the very bottom of the league in 3rd down and redzone
AND SOME OF THESE IMPOSTOR FANS WANT TO TRADE THE SINGLE MOST EXCITING PLAY MAKER WE HAVE ON THE TEAM?!?!?!?!
Do these clowns watch football at all?
That particular cross poster must be donkey fan
January 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
U guys blaming Al for the cap need to remember one thing.
AL never traded for Carson Palmer nor would he have ever traded for him. Period.
Al never traded for Aaron Curry and his Rookie Multi Million dollar contract. Period. That was hue.
Jason Campbell was only making 4 million dollars as a starter. Not 13 million last year.. or the 8 million that was paid for Carson for that half season.
Now its up to 17 this coming year
January 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
We are never going to get any good coaches with DA as our head coach.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Just bring back Gruden and be done with it!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
South Carolina Gamecocks junior wide receiver Ace Sanders has declared for the N.F.L. Draft.
Per Draft Daddy.com
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C’mon Big Reg……Get this guy with one of our picks…
January 16th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Pryor? Exciting?
Did I miss a game?
Floating ducks in the air isn’t all that exciting, to be honest.
44% completion rate? No, sorry, not exciting.
Losing the game? Nope, again, not exciting.
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
1002.DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
973.R8drinOK Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Kind of a reach with the Bears to go with Trestman as HC.
Eagles reach with Chip.
Looks like Raiders are gonna have to give Mad Mike Martz a shot as the OC.
Boom or bust.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Reggie and DA better get off the toilet and fill the openings on our staff. With these new HC’s filling their staff, the options for the Raiders will continue to dwindle. Makes you wonder why the delay…
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Cuz they’re waiting till after the senior bowl to announce the arrival of Gruden. The senior bowl messed up all the plans to make the announcement cuz Gruden wouldn’t have been ready by then so they had to delay DA’s firing until afterwords.
Or something like that.
^^^^^^^^
Why would Gruden not have been “ready” by Senior Bowl?
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I don’t know. I’m reaching for anything.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
When did we have the most success in the passing game? When CP “audibled” and no huddled right?
If CP is gonna be our guy next season then he needs to act like the “elite” qb he says he is and take control.
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were yuo watching this season or do you not understand what you were seeing?
palmer was attrocious over the last half of the year trying to no huddle and audible.
He was a hurricane of turn overs missed reads and flat out blitz fodder.
Palmer was at his best during the first 5 games of the year when he was mainly using knapps plan.
first 5 games 5 tds 2 turn overs
the rest of the season produced 17 tds and a mind blowing 17 turnovers.
what are you cats talking about?
Do you want to see this team win or not?
January 16th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
1041.Godeep Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
We are never going to get any good coaches with DA as our head coach.
That is fact,probably afraid Denise will try stick his tounge in their ear.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
1034.Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
is this draft really deep enough to trade back? we don’t need guys we need star players…
^^^^^^^^
This draft is deep. No standout player at #3 to really pick and trade down to get more picks is the priority.
A bunch of players that are basically rated the same will be available for Raiders at #3. Unless Joekel slips to #3, then maybe McK considers him. However, Joekel slips to #3, I fully expect McK to be getting calls that will allow him to trade down. McK needs to find a trade partner.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
im out
go hybrid or go home
free tp6!!!!!
cross posters…..have at it
January 16th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
U guys blaming Al for the cap need to remember one thing.
AL never traded for Carson Palmer nor would he have ever traded for him. Period.
Al never traded for Aaron Curry and his Rookie Multi Million dollar contract. Period. That was hue.
Jason Campbell was only making 4 million dollars as a starter. Not 13 million last year.. or the 8 million that was paid for Carson for that half season.
Now its up to 17 this coming year
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Either you have a short memory, or no memory.
AL signed Javon Walker for 55 MILLION.
Signed Hall for 50 MILLION
Signed Gabril Wilson for 35 MILLION
Signed Kwame Harris for 7 MILLION.
All in the same offseason.
You need to read up. No one has made as bad a deals as Al.
No one.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
More good prospect info….
http://college2pro.com/showSingleArticle.php?id=121&page=browseArticles&category=All%20Star%20Games
January 16th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Marc Trestman was never coming here as OC.. he was just using Raiders as leverage.
even if he did he would be gone in a year going somewhere else.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
im out
go hybrid or go home
free tp6!!!!!
cross posters…..have at it
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funny how when you get schooled, you wisely get your ass home.
Good boy
January 16th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
After seeing Gil Brandts mock draft….I think he’s on medical marijuana….
January 16th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
If anything former DUCK Qb Darren Thomas will be in camp with the eagles..
playhin in CFL
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Marc Trestman was never coming here as OC.. he was just using Raiders as leverage.
even if he did he would be gone in a year going somewhere else.
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Do any of you remember the comments about Trestman the last time he was here? Well, Trestman remembers. Gregg Knapp got a 60’s style lovefest compared to Trestman.
January 16th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Do any of you remember the comments about Trestman the last time he was here? Well, Trestman remembers. Gregg Knapp got a 60’s style lovefest compared to Trestman.
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yep gonna be like that no matter who is OC. Raider fans just starvin for a winner. Cant blame us.
Im jsut saying why didnt REggie interview Trestman, or Chip kelly last year? at least interview the guys. Tice, Winston moss, Marty morthweig etc was horrible
At least Dennis Allen was the best out of the bunch.
Marc Trestman would have been intersting as HC taking over last year though. whatever now.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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I don’t get it.
I know Mistic has his own racist agenda, but at least hook yourself to a horse that has a chance, even remotely, instead of a nag out of the gate who’s still learning right foot from the left foot.
Pryor honestly was about as uninspiring an outing as I’ve seen all year.
Granted the expectations were high, but talk about a let down?
Up until the 2 garbage td’s, writers already were pasting BUST next to name.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
Lol at the grammar bickering in here. You little kiddies want to take it outside to the playground?
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I usually criticize blog grammarians and spell checkers but considering his target I didn’t care.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Pryor honestly was about as uninspiring an outing as I’ve seen all year.
Granted the expectations were high, but talk about a let down?
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I wasn’t let down only because I knew what we were going to see out there. A very disassociated Raider team being led by a guy who has no business leading a disassociated Raider team. And sure enough, I thought it was painful watching Pryor live. Then when I got here and knuckleheads were saying Pryor looks like a young Troy Aikman mixed with a young Randall Cunningham I thought, Huh? So I watched the tape. And it was MORE painful than watching it live.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Honestly PRyor may just get one season to show something.
We are wasting time talking about Palmer/ Pryor. Both probaly wont be the starter coming foward in 2014
Both may may not even be starter this coming year. Reggie still hast drafted a qb yet. Lets see.
If he traded down and somehow drafted GENO SMITH.. that would be wild.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Pryor honestly was about as uninspiring an outing as I’ve seen all year.
Granted the expectations were high, but talk about a let down?
Up until the 2 garbage td’s, writers already were pasting BUST next to name.
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They were hardly garbage time TD’s. We were still very much in the game.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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If you two can pull your head out long enough you would notice that pryor did what palmer nor lienart could.
3rd down % 53.3 trumps our paltry 35% for the season
red zone 3/3 100%!!!!!!
we went 3 weeks with out a single td oh and he ran for a td ending another painful drought of games with out a rushing td.
What are you cats looking for? lol
anyway
have fun
peace
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Tp looked fine.. 3 days of practice with the starters all year? Splitting snaps with Lionheart no less.. What did you expect? da should have made him the starter with 5 or 6 games to go.. give him time to practice, play, review it coach him up, and send him out again.. by the end of the season we would have had a true evaluation on TP. but since DA works for the donkeys he didn’t want to do that..
January 16th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Pryor could’ve definetly used the Playing time vs Carolina. Playing Matt Leinart was such a waste.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
866.BOKNOWS Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/whisenhunt-may-be-headed-to-denver-as-offensive-coordinator/
++++++++++
That is a bummer.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Pryor? Exciting?
Did I miss a game?
Floating ducks in the air isn’t all that exciting, to be honest.
>>>>
Well I dunno… the funniest bit “Jackass” did was when they dressed the dude in a duck suit, bounced him off a balloon and about 6 people in a boat shot him with paint ball guns.
Maybe that’s where Pryor learned to throw the football?
January 16th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I remember when Martz came here to interview for the head coaching job.
Stories differ on if he was offered anything or not, but what is fact is by the time Martz reached oakland airport, his agent had already contacted the Raiders and informed them not to bother making an offer, that Martz was no longer interested.
Now Martz is hoping for an OC job, lol.
Ah, how quickly they rise, and fall.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
1065.Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Tp looked fine.. 3 days of practice with the starters all year? Splitting snaps with Lionheart no less.. What did you expect? da should have made him the starter with 5 or 6 games to go.. give him time to practice, play, review it coach him up, and send him out again.. by the end of the season we would have had a true evaluation on TP. but since DA works for the donkeys he didn’t want to do that..
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And now McCoy works for the Donks as the Dischargers; head coach!
Dungver is going to rule this division for a long time!
January 16th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
How do u guys feel about Jordan Lynch out of Northern Illinois? a bit of a sleeper.
its crazy two qbs in the Championship games this sunday are from
Delaware – Joe Flacco
Nevada – Collin Kaepernick
January 16th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Honestly PRyor may just get one season to show something.
We are wasting time talking about Palmer/ Pryor. Both probaly wont be the starter coming foward in 2014
Both may may not even be starter this coming year. Reggie still hast drafted a qb yet. Lets see.
If he traded down and somehow drafted GENO SMITH.. that would be wild.
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..ly disapointing
January 16th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Tp looked fine.. 3 days of practice with the starters all year? Splitting snaps with Lionheart no less.. What did you expect? da should have made him the starter with 5 or 6 games to go.. give him time to practice, play, review it coach him up, and send him out again.. by the end of the season we would have had a true evaluation on TP. but since DA works for the donkeys he didn’t want to do that..
>>>>>
Uhh, if he had heaved up 25 interceptions at 50% you would still want him to start next year… who are you trying to kid?
January 16th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Pryor could’ve definetly used the Playing time vs Carolina. Playing Matt Leinart was such a waste.
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Team did exactly what we should have done.
You put your backup in, and grade him. Leinart failed. Big time.
Next step, games permitting, you put in his backup, and grade.
At this point the Raiders know Leinart should not be back next year, and they know that Pryor is a long way from being a starter.
Had they done what you said, Leinart would very likely be on the roster next year.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I remember when Martz came here to interview for the head coaching job.
Stories differ on if he was offered anything or not, but what is fact is by the time Martz reached oakland airport, his agent had already contacted the Raiders and informed them not to bother making an offer, that Martz was no longer interested.
Now Martz is hoping for an OC job, lol.
Ah, how quickly they rise, and fall.
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so true, look at hue jack.about a year ago he thought hed be running the raiders, now there are plenty of hc vacancies out there and he’s not even a consideration. Guess the NFL owners do not read this blog and listen to all the clowns with mancrushes on HueJack
January 16th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
we should trade pryor for a 1 year supply of charminultrasoft Raiders edition.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
1074.RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Pryor could’ve definetly used the Playing time vs Carolina. Playing Matt Leinart was such a waste.
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Team did exactly what we should have done.
You put your backup in, and grade him. Leinart failed. Big time.
Next step, games permitting, you put in his backup, and grade.
At this point the Raiders know Leinart should not be back next year, and they know that Pryor is a long way from being a starter.
Had they done what you said, Leinart would very likely be on the roster next year.
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They should’ve known that from Leinarts previous 7 years in the league. They wasted one game of experience for Pryor on what they shouldve known.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
========================================
Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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If you two can pull your head out long enough you would notice that pryor did what palmer nor lienart could.
3rd down % 53.3 trumps our paltry 35% for the season
red zone 3/3 100%!!!!!!
we went 3 weeks with out a single td oh and he ran for a td ending another painful drought of games with out a rushing td.
What are you cats looking for? lol
anyway
have fun
peace
>> I’m looking to go drop a deuce
January 16th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
so true, look at hue jack.about a year ago he thought hed be running the raiders, now there are plenty of hc vacancies out there and he’s not even a consideration. Guess the NFL owners do not read this blog and listen to all the clowns with mancrushes on HueJack
>>>>
Hue should be getting looks at OC simply because of how well the Raiders offense took off with him, and how it fell after he left… but I think his reputation as a back-stabber to further his career might have done him in for another chance for awhile.
I hope he gets another chance though… his teams were fun to watch.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
1076.charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
we should trade pryor for a 1 year supply of charminultrasoft Raiders edition.
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There’s already a Raiders edition of Toilet Paper, Greg Knapps playbook.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
1076.charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
we should trade pryor for a 1 year supply of charminultrasoft Raiders edition.
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There’s already a Raiders edition of Toilet Paper, Greg Knapps playbook.
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It scars
January 16th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
The season was over after week two.
Pryor certainly should have gotten playing time in the last 4-5 games.
No one would be talking about him right now had they watched a defense play against him with some game tape on him. 150 yards and about 50% completion % in the one game he should have had an advantage in…..especially after two seasons.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
The reason HUE JAX is not getting looks at HC or OC is not because of his Talent.. its because his Rex Ryan type “FACTOR” talks to much
plus his little attack dog Silver from yahoo doesnt help either
January 16th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Scout-Talk-1188.html
Just a leasson in not over looking anyone….
January 16th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Tp looked fine.. 3 days of practice with the starters all year? Splitting snaps with Lionheart no less.. What did you expect? da should have made him the starter with 5 or 6 games to go.. give him time to practice, play, review it coach him up, and send him out again.. by the end of the season we would have had a true evaluation on TP. but since DA works for the donkeys he didn’t want to do that..
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so what you’re saying is you agree, that Pryor played way below what some expected, but here are the excuses?
You have no idea what you’re talking about re: give him 5 or 6 games.
No one does that because you can’t afford to do that. Not possible. Only time that happens is ala jamarcus. You spend the pick and the guaranteed $, you have to do everything you can to get a return on investment.
but NO teams give, or feel they should give, a 3rd string player, of any position, multiple multiple games, just to “see”
Either you beat them out in camp, or you hope for a spot during the year.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
The season was over after week two.
Pryor certainly should have gotten playing time in the last 4-5 games.
No one would be talking about him right now had they watched a defense play against him with some game tape on him. 150 yards and about 50% completion % in the one game he should have had an advantage in…..especially after two seasons.
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His penchant for staring down receivers out of the shotgun _ONLY_ would have led to 3-4 pick sixes in his next game. Its called a “tell.”
Not like Knapp would have noticed it enough to correct it.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
but NO teams give, or feel they should give, a 3rd string player, of any position, multiple multiple games, just to “see”
Either you beat them out in camp, or you hope for a spot during the year.
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This is the new NFL though. GMs are now supposed to play their third string QBs in Madden and if they do well, start them over veteran franchise QBs.
Duh.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
‘Gun Appreciation Day’ Leader To CNN: If Blacks Had Guns, They Never Would Have Been Slaves
Appearing on CNN this morning, “Gun Appreciation Day” chairman Larry Ward said that if blacks had been armed, there never would have been slavery in America.
Ward’s group planned the appreciation day for the weekend of President 0bama‘s second inauguration, and some critics have attacked the celebration for its proximity to Martin Luther King, Jr. Day.
“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward told CNN host Carol Costello.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gun-appreciation-day-leader-to-cnn-if-blacks-had-guns-they-never-would-have-been-slaves/
January 16th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Tim Brown “shocked” Trestman got Bears head coach job
Posted by Darin Gantt on January 16, 2013, 4:17 PM EST
AP
After a bad experience with him as an offensive coordinator, former Raiders wide receiver Tim Brown said he was “shocked” the Bears gave Marc Trestman a head coaching job.
“I don’t want to say it was a joke, but I just never saw Trestman as being a head coach,” Brown said on the Waddle & Silvy Show on ESPN 1000 in Chicago.
Brown was the lead dog in Oakland, with nine straight 1,000-yard seasons. But Trestman took over and some guy named Jerry Rice (who was familiar with Trestman’s West Coast principles) became a more prominent part of the game plan.
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Come on Timmy, your better than that. Sour grapes, I’ll say.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
As a coach, I often have a bench player’s parent come to me and ask why he’s not playing. I try to nicely tell them that I don’t feel he’s ready based on what I’ve seen in practice. In EVERY case, their response is “but he’s good. If u play him, he will show u.” And my response is always “I do not feel u prove urself in games. I don’t play everyone. If u show ur ready in practice, and as an experienced coach I can tell, THEN I put u in a game cig u play well, then U earn more time.”
Use ur imagination as to why I’m posting this story here.
January 16th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
I never said we should start TP next year.. I said we did not evaluate TP or the quarterback position for the future… why do you think so many dorks have us picking a QB in the first round?…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
“Vic Tafur, the Raiders beat writer for the San Francisco Chronicle sat down with Madden today and the great one shared his opinion on Dennis Allen’s first year as the head coach of the Raiders. While Madden did not go into great detail, breaking down how Allen’s first season went, what he did say was very telling. Basically, Madden stated that Allen was coaching a team that simply did not have enough talent on it to do much better than the 4-12 record the first year head coach put up.
Now, it is no surprise to hear that the Raiders lacked talent this past season, anyone who watched the games could see it. What is interesting about Madden’s comments is that he did not think there was much hope for the Raiders to have fared better than they did in 2012. That seems to go along with what a lot of people are saying, that Allen should get a pass on his first season because he had so little talent to work with.”
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Madden is senile…..limited talent is not an excuse for the team being completely unprepared week in and week out against nearly every decent NFL team they played.
The team did not progress from week 1 of the preseason to week 17 of the regular season. That is on the head coach.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Tp took the back up qb spot after 3 days of splitting reps. Should have been the backup all yr. DA sabotage.. glad reggie and mark forced his hand.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
I also tell them “this is a new level. I’m sure he has played well in other leagues before he got here.” But I don’t care what he’s done before he came here. This is a higher level. If the time comes that he is ready, I will see it. Believe me. If he’s ready to help, I will WANT him on the field cuz I wanna win.”
January 16th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Reggie and mark forced nothing. Ur lying. Allen said he told them at the beginning of the week that Pryor would start. Ur ignoring what was said. The idea that Allen sabotaged Pryor is ludicrous. It borders on the missdick paranoia.
They evaluate players everyday in everything they do. Pryor doesn’t throw well. They see that every day. He only got the start cuz Leinart was so awful, they knew he would not be back, so what the heck.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Allen would jeopardize his own career by holding back a good player? Why would he do that? Cuz he’s racist and hates black qb’s? U have been on this board too much if u think that. I mean how old are u?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
LOL, Dr nob the pop warner coach stfu and gtfo with that B.S.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
987.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Gruden will sell tickets, not sure he will win games though.
^^^^^^
He has more upside to win games than your Visor Boy.
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Hey, man, DA is just copying your man, Gruden, the visor man himself.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Eastoak–high school u b1tch. Can’t understand real dope when u hear it? Ur another clown on parade here.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Dr Nob
U ur an idiot u. Lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Chip to the Eagles means Vick stays and runs chips O, that schit is gonna be lethal son.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Eastoak–so u think all players should be allowed to prove themselves on the field even if they suck in practice. Sounds like u think pryor’s dad is the coach by all about pop Warner. Ur a joke. U laugh at real football wisdom. That’s what clowns and hyenas do.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
I feel great cuz all the stooges disagree with me so I know I’m right.
The only thing Vick is lethal to is dogs and his own team. He has ducked bad for two seasons. They should euthanize him.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Hey nob you would cross the street if you were alone at night lol, coward.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
“He’s got a ways to go. He was playing the game without a full deck. To be honest, they don’t have enough players. The cupboard was pretty bare. It would have been tough to do much more than what they did.
“If he’s going to do well, they gotta get a lot more … some teams need a quarterback or a running back, or a pass rusher … The Raiders need a whole barrel of guys.”-madden
January 16th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Who gives a $h!t about the Eagles, we’ve got our own problems.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
you said it yourself TP only got to start because he was better than lineart.. that means he is the #2 qb….. not #3… get it?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Good thing Raiders didnt draft Manti Te’o yet. yikes
January 16th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
and I don’t know how coaches can evaluate a guy who does not get to practice all yr..
January 16th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
DA couldnt ever hope to copy chucky…oh wait DA has his own version of a barbie doll…comes with a red sharpie…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
madden is lost…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The season was over dumbass and TP isnt your typical 3rd stringer but u are too dumb to realize that. TP should have been given the last three games to be evaluated.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Eastoak–I’m a coward? Please b1tch.
Pryor doesn’t stand there with his dick in his hands. They do drills. He doesn’t get reps when they’re running plays. But when u can’t hit the target while ur throwing easy to a wr, then why would it get better live? And it didn’t. The dude sucks as a passer. If u don’t know that, then u don’t football. At all.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
let myers walk in free agency and get ausberry in there…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Those who want to trade Terelle Pryor for picks–Bill W. of ESPN is thinking Chip Kelly might want him:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/54023/could-eagles-pursue-terrelle-pryor
January 16th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
U guys are lucky Pryor didn’t get more games. Cuz u wouldn’t have anything to talk about. The pipe dream would be dead. At least those last two Tds have u something to gang onto. Cuz up til then everyone was seeing how bad he is.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
“Vic Tafur, the Raiders beat writer for the San Francisco Chronicle sat down with Madden today and the great one shared his opinion on Dennis Allen’s first year as the head coach of the Raiders. While Madden did not go into great detail, breaking down how Allen’s first season went, what he did say was very telling. Basically, Madden stated that Allen was coaching a team that simply did not have enough talent on it to do much better than the 4-12 record the first year head coach put up.
Now, it is no surprise to hear that the Raiders lacked talent this past season, anyone who watched the games could see it. What is interesting about Madden’s comments is that he did not think there was much hope for the Raiders to have fared better than they did in 2012. That seems to go along with what a lot of people are saying, that Allen should get a pass on his first season because he had so little talent to work with.”
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Madden is senile…..limited talent is not an excuse for the team being completely unprepared week in and week out against nearly every decent NFL team they played.
The team did not progress from week 1 of the preseason to week 17 of the regular season. That is on the head coach.
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Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
madden is lost…
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Its SO cool when people who aren’t in the league, never played in the league and NEVER WILL PLAY in the league try to call a Hall of Famer, “Senile”. I mean what credibility do you have?! LMAO!
Allen is back as head coach next year
deal with it.
Its interesting that Trestman got the job with Chicago. He was mentioned by a few people here as a coach possibility.
Tim Brown was already on Tom Waddle’s show saying He didnt see him as a head coach-type material.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Dr Robert.
The only reason why Pop Warner exists is to let the kids play and have fun, no matter how good or bad. This Marty Schottenheimer attitude at the Pop Warner level is poisonous to the very concept.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
you said TP was better than Lienart.. so i guess tp got better than him over 3 days?? Or maybe da just didn’t bother to evaluate him until mark and Reggie said so.. hmmm
January 16th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
1116.dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
U guys are lucky Pryor didn’t get more games. Cuz u wouldn’t have anything to talk about. The pipe dream would be dead. At least those last two Tds have u something to gang onto. Cuz up til then everyone was seeing how bad he is.
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It was 3 TD’s, the only ones since Week 14
January 16th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
THE BEEECH DAWG GIVIN’ OUT SWEET HIGH 5s
Cruise in to watch a Nob Bust beatdown/MELTDOWN in full swing! Totally righteous, holla
Can you imagine, your 11 year old gets stuck with a massive blog nerd as his football coach, whut a total bummer
And not only a blog nerd, but the Punching Bag for even the lowest level dorks/goobers to smack around at will
Totally hilarious, today is going to be a totally groovy one, SHOUT OUT TO MOS DEF
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
It was 3 TD’s, the only ones since Week 14
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and the first RZ touchdown since week 7.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
kinda like you sam? or maybe those who called for al to die?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Lol–love the thinking in here.
Dump the 4k 22 Tds in 14 games guy and pit in the 47% 70.8 rating guy.
Dump the te with the breakout year and put the wr converted to the that has done nothing in there.
U guys are priceless.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
1122.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
It was 3 TD’s, the only ones since Week 14
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and the first RZ touchdown since week 7.
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But scoring is overrated, it’s all about style in the NFL
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I really hope the Eagles throw a 3rd rounder for TP, I would take that deal. We need linemen, WRs, RBs, LBs, DBs, & a Punter!
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The season was over dumbass and TP isnt your typical 3rd stringer but u are too dumb to realize that. TP should have been given the last three games to be evaluated.
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Wrong, ghettoblaster.
Leinart should have been given the last three games to be evaluated.
What?
Now it’s different?
Pryor sucked so he should have been given more games?
Again, Leinart deserved it, not the college cheat that 31 other teams passed on, TWICE, because he couldn’t hit water from a boat.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
holy cow gents. Can’t believe that Manti Teo story is a hoax. Brutal.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
reggie will dump pryor and that will seal his fate…back to dennys…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Macho–true. But I don’t coach pop Warner. Sorry.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
1128.aig-raiders Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
holy cow gents. Can’t believe that Manti Teo story is a hoax. Brutal.
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Happy Gilmore used that Dead Girlfriend story all the time, no biggie.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Any of my Blog Brahs able to google up the park Nob Bust works for?
We gotta let those parents know about his hilarious facebook page – you know, the one with that picture of that pasty 120lb runt dressed as the uni bomber
I’m sure there’d be some serious knee slappin’ at the next parks n rec meeting over that one
HIP HOP N HOLLERIN’
January 16th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
stay miles away from teo…miles.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
4k yards. 22 Tds in 14 games
47%. 70.8 rating.
Really hard to make a choice.
It’s like a cheeseburger vs. a sh1t sandwich and u guys choose the dh1t sandwich cuz “I don’t like cheeseburgers”.
Best fans ever.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Pryor honestly was about as uninspiring an outing as I’ve seen all year.
Granted the expectations were high, but talk about a let down?
Up until the 2 garbage td’s, writers already were pasting BUST next to name.
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They were hardly garbage time TD’s. We were still very much in the game.
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Down 24-7 in the fourth quarter is not “very much in the game”.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
It was 3 TD’s, the only ones since Week 14
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and the first RZ touchdown since week 7.
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EXACTLY
3 freaking mobile QBs have gone to the playoffs and these jackoffs are talking about Reggie McKenzie “releasing” Pryor.
LMAO!
only releases are Huff, Seymour, and possibly Brisiel = Your releasing a player costing 560,000 against the cap?
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Love it when a stooge comes in here and gives it his all to get attention over and over and get anyone to notice. It’s the best.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
1135.Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Pryor honestly was about as uninspiring an outing as I’ve seen all year.
Granted the expectations were high, but talk about a let down?
Up until the 2 garbage td’s, writers already were pasting BUST next to name.
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They were hardly garbage time TD’s. We were still very much in the game.
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Down 24-7 in the fourth quarter is not “very much in the game”.
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So maybe the 2nd one can be considered. But not the first and last one.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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If you two can pull your head out long enough you would notice that pryor did what palmer nor lienart could.
3rd down % 53.3 trumps our paltry 35% for the season
red zone 3/3 100%!!!!!!
we went 3 weeks with out a single td oh and he ran for a td ending another painful drought of games with out a rushing td.
What are you cats looking for? lol
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2 meaningless TD’s with 3 minutes to go in the season is what you are jumping up and down about? How’s about 8/22 including 2/10 when the game was on the line and SD actually wanted to still play. Pryor blows. Accept it.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
reggie is just dumb enough to do it…becuase he is als guy.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Brahs, you know the best thing about those pee wee games at the park?
Gettin’ hella high on chronic picking up on the kid’s moms
Total MILF City, USA
ALWAYS PACKING DEM MAGNUMS, WHUT WHUT
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
and I don’t know how coaches can evaluate a guy who does not get to practice all yr..
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I swear these posts have to be setups. No one can be this damn stupid.
They practice every day they drive onto the parking lot of Raider headquarters.
Every single day.
Drills. classes. drills classes. weight room.
EVERY RECEIVER CATCHES BALLS EVERY DAY…from qb’s or jug machine
EVERY QB THROWS BALLS EVERY DAY…whether drills, reps, 5 vs 5, 7 vs 7, or working out receivers, etc
don’t confuse practice with taking first team reps.
The coaches are always evaluating
BTW..one thing that catches everyone’s eye? wounded ducks thrown up, fluttering down
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Release Pryor? Who said that? The kid has speed. So what if he can’t throw the ball? He can play another position and contribute to this team as soon as someone sits down with him and tells him like it is.
If he then still refuses to play another position, you keep him on as a cheap third stringer, or you trade him to a team that is willing to give us anything for him.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Releasing Pryor would be a huge mistake. Especially without at least attempting a position change.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Lionos been on tape in the nfl for yrs… tp had no training camp or quarterback coach last year. And this year he had a new offense.. which 1 needed the evaluation/game action/ practice reps?
it was almost as smart as never practicing the backup long snapper…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
lol
22tds and 19 turnovers with 4 wins is a “break out” season?!?!?!/
LMAO!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
1142… I’m sorry but you’re misinformed they do not practice everyday. also if you watch JaMarcus Russell pass the ball he looks great but that’s not an evaluation is it let’s watch him play football and see how well he does
January 16th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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If you two can pull your head out long enough you would notice that pryor did what palmer nor lienart could.
3rd down % 53.3 trumps our paltry 35% for the season
red zone 3/3 100%!!!!!!
we went 3 weeks with out a single td oh and he ran for a td ending another painful drought of games with out a rushing td.
What are you cats looking for? lol
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2 meaningless TD’s with 3 minutes to go in the season is what you are jumping up and down about? How’s about 8/22 including 2/10 when the game was on the line and SD actually wanted to still play. Pryor blows. Accept it.
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meaningless td’s?
you mean the tds that cut the score and put us into postion to attempt the onside and go for the win?
lol
beats palmers late game pick 6 routine every day of the week.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
DA has never evaluated a thing but fine tip or chisel tip…
January 16th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
WTF did you see, Mistic, besides his color?
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Maybe the 3 yards per attempt? Which was last in the league behind every other Q except Leinert.
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If you two can pull your head out long enough you would notice that pryor did what palmer nor lienart could.
3rd down % 53.3 trumps our paltry 35% for the season
red zone 3/3 100%!!!!!!
we went 3 weeks with out a single td oh and he ran for a td ending another painful drought of games with out a rushing td.
What are you cats looking for? lol
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2 meaningless TD’s with 3 minutes to go in the season is what you are jumping up and down about? How’s about 8/22 including 2/10 when the game was on the line and SD actually wanted to still play. Pryor blows. Accept it.
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Care to bet Mistic completely ignores this?
Even posters on this board who are NOW being sheep and saying they want TP were saying during the game that “Well, now we know that Pryor isn’t the answer.”
8/22 with 3 minutes to go in the game? Nope, sorry, he’s a “project”.
I recall someone saying they aren’t even in the same league as Carson. How they have so much to learn from Carson.
Oh yeah, that was Pryor.
January 16th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Bros, this is totally the best, 4 REALZ
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All my minions learn this eventually, total sign of respect & admiration. Feelin’ it Donald Trump style, holla to da KING
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January 16th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Lionos been on tape in the nfl for yrs… tp had no training camp or quarterback coach last year. And this year he had a new offense.. which 1 needed the evaluation/game action/ practice reps?
it was almost as smart as never practicing the backup long snapper…
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they cant see past their own agenda
they wouldnt know qb talent if it fell from the sky and fugged them in the ear
pryor agianst all odds with almost no practice nearly pulls off the comeback agaisnt the number 11 defense in the nfl
Improves the 3rd down woes from 35 to 53%
and converts 3/3 for tds in the red zone
with that kind of production we probably would have won at least a couple more games this year
trading a player that puts 3 tds on the board under his unique circumstance would be a major gaffe.
can you imagine if they traded him to kellty and he lights it up?
No bring in an oc that has an offense similar to kelly and let him do his best kapernic in oakland
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
meaningless td’s?”
Yeah, meaningless. You understand the term?
Last 3 minutes of the season. Against a team out of the playoffs. Who knew their coach and GM were going to get fired.
HOW MUCH MORE MEANINGLESS CAN IT GET?
SAN DIEGO WAS DOING THE SAME THING RAIDERS WERE DOING, WHICH IS PUTTING IN PLAYERS AT THE END..
Before Norv started switching players, TP had massive BUST numbers.
2 MEANINGLESS TD’S AGAINST DIFFERENT SUBS, SOME GETTING THE LAST REPS OF THEIR FOOTBALL CAREER.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Reggie trade down….we need a NT and DE in worse way!…. If joeckel is available at 3 i bet stl rams bite and give us their two 1s and a 3rd
January 16th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
and besides the stupidity in not evaluating and developing TP more as a QB….. he’s the best athlete on the team. most coaches would try to find a way to get that guy the ball. especially with our lack of red zone success.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
meaningless td’s?”
Yeah, meaningless. You understand the term?
Last 3 minutes of the season. Against a team out of the playoffs. Who knew their coach and GM were going to get fired.
HOW MUCH MORE MEANINGLESS CAN IT GET?
SAN DIEGO WAS DOING THE SAME THING RAIDERS WERE DOING, WHICH IS PUTTING IN PLAYERS AT THE END..
Before Norv started switching players, TP had massive BUST numbers.
2 MEANINGLESS TD’S AGAINST DIFFERENT SUBS, SOME GETTING THE LAST REPS OF THEIR FOOTBALL CAREER.
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sully you have no clue about how the nfl works
coaches being fired means players also lose jobs.
They must play hard so that their RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
meaningless td’s?”
Yeah, meaningless. You understand the term?
Last 3 minutes of the season. Against a team out of the playoffs. Who knew their coach and GM were going to get fired.
HOW MUCH MORE MEANINGLESS CAN IT GET?
SAN DIEGO WAS DOING THE SAME THING RAIDERS WERE DOING, WHICH IS PUTTING IN PLAYERS AT THE END..
Before Norv started switching players, TP had massive BUST numbers.
2 MEANINGLESS TD’S AGAINST DIFFERENT SUBS, SOME GETTING THE LAST REPS OF THEIR FOOTBALL CAREER.
agents can sell them to a new team, or the new coach taking over.
LOL at meaningless tds, every body on that field was playing for their lively hoods, other wise they would have been in baseball caps on the sideline
January 16th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Yo Goobs
The Beeech is feelin’ extra street-hungry today, just got down with a 12 pack of Doritos Locos
Gonna express it all through my lyrics, rather than in gang style retribution with my krew, the Inglewood Eagles
This joint is called “Hella Pimpin’”, y’all know whut up
Slipped on my jean shorts, polished up my bike
You know I roll with Schwinn let’s go for a healthy hike
Fresh air, cool breeze and a cool waterfall
Dang, but there’s a shorty, girl, come n lick deez ballz
GANGSTA ALL DANG DAY
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Dakota Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Release Pryor? Who said that? The kid has speed. So what if he can’t throw the ball? He can play another position and contribute to this team as soon as someone sits down with him and tells him like it is.
If he then still refuses to play another position, you keep him on as a cheap third stringer, or you trade him to a team that is willing to give us anything for him.
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I honestly think he will be a very good backup QB for us for quite awhile. Nothing more, nothing less. Worth a 3rd round flier. Trade him? Thats prolly something Mistic “The IQ Vacuum” is making up to stir debate.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Whether teo was in on the hoax or not, I bet the discovery of it played into him having such an uninspired game. Could’ve affected the whole team. Similar to how robbins’ issues affected the raiders and how that kick returner from the bengals screwed things for them years ago. Weird stuff.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Lol–love the thinking in here.
Dump the 4k 22 Tds in 14 games guy and pit in the 47% 70.8 rating guy.
Dump the te with the breakout year and put the wr converted to the that has done nothing in there.
U guys are priceless.
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What’s wrong with keeping him to battle for #2?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Why did Teo not come out and say “I’ve never met her in my life”…?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I really hope the Eagles throw a 3rd rounder for TP, I would take that deal. We need linemen, WRs, RBs, LBs, DBs, & a Punter!
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Oh.. never mind Mistic “The IQ Vacuum TM” I wouldn’t take a third rounder for him. Prolly a second though.
Career backup QBs are worth more than a third round pick.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Whisenhunt may be headed to Denver as offensive coordinator
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Yeah, I can’t see a guy like that working for DA.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
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This babe could use a sponge bath but is totally smokin, maybe a little hotter than Miley Cyrus if Miley had an enormous booblie job
Hopefully I’ve got enough Magnums in the medicine cabinet to keep the Lawg covered
But you know how the shorties are these dayz – all them girls wanna get prego by a famous celebrity so they can get their own reality show
FEELIN’ YOU, KANYE
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
This is like remedial football with some of u guys.
Forget stats and anything else. Did u WATCH the throws? That’s the whole issue in its entirety. He throws HORRIBLE passes. They look nothing like an nfl pass.
Russell did throw a great pass indeed. That’s why he was in there. He passed the “practice” test and was allowed to have his chances. And he likely would’ve been at least somewhat successful if he wasn’t a drug addict with no desire.
Pryor shouldn’t be cut. I haven’t seen anyone say that. That’s like imaginary DA worshipers who are always referred to by priest but never seen by anyone.
But Pryor SHOULD be switched to wr where his skills are best suited. And when they run a wr option pass, Dhb can throw it.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Some people like Palmer AND Pryor………Sheesh..
some people actually support Palmer to start next year, and in the same breath, want Pryor to play another year as #2 and see what happens….
Why somebody have to like ONE, but hate the OTHER?
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Damn! I’m a fan of Terrell Pryor (getting harder to be with the TP zealots in here). But please refrain from anointing him the next Messiah until he can actually show something on the field.
Stop being so angry at Palmer; its not like he could be on the field to stop Doug Martin from putting up 300 yards, or catch all the balls dropped by our receivers, or special teams tackles or be the long snapper etc. etc. etc.
The dude will get his chance in the preseason.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Whisenhunt may be headed to Denver as offensive coordinator
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Yeah, I can’t see a guy like that working for DA.
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You haven’t been able to see since 1968
January 16th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
meaningless td’s?”
Yeah, meaningless. You understand the term?
Last 3 minutes of the season. Against a team out of the playoffs. Who knew their coach and GM were going to get fired.
HOW MUCH MORE MEANINGLESS CAN IT GET?
SAN DIEGO WAS DOING THE SAME THING RAIDERS WERE DOING, WHICH IS PUTTING IN PLAYERS AT THE END..
Before Norv started switching players, TP had massive BUST numbers.
2 MEANINGLESS TD’S AGAINST DIFFERENT SUBS, SOME GETTING THE LAST REPS OF THEIR FOOTBALL CAREER.
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sully you have no clue about how the nfl works
coaches being fired means players also lose jobs.
They must play hard so that their RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
meaningless td’s?”
Yeah, meaningless. You understand the term?
Last 3 minutes of the season. Against a team out of the playoffs. Who knew their coach and GM were going to get fired.
HOW MUCH MORE MEANINGLESS CAN IT GET?
SAN DIEGO WAS DOING THE SAME THING RAIDERS WERE DOING, WHICH IS PUTTING IN PLAYERS AT THE END..
Before Norv started switching players, TP had massive BUST numbers.
2 MEANINGLESS TD’S AGAINST DIFFERENT SUBS, SOME GETTING THE LAST REPS OF THEIR FOOTBALL CAREER.
agents can sell them to a new team, or the new coach taking over.
LOL at meaningless tds, every body on that field was playing for their lively hoods, other wise they would have been in baseball caps on the sideline
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Are you playing stupid? or desperate to say something/anything?
Didn’t say other team didn’t try. Said Pryor got his 2 tds AT THE END OF THE GAME, AGAINST GUYS WHO WERE SUBBING, JUST LIKE PRYOR WAS.
The fumble Td was giftwrapped. Don’t pretend he orchestrated the drive. Other td the defense blew coverage where his wounded duck throw went into the arms of a receiver with no one around him.
Against first team? 8/22
Against mopup subs, at the last 3 minutes of the season? Did better.
End result? STILL UNDER 50% PASSING, 150 YDS, AND A LOSS.
And don’t ever call me Sully.
That puppet follows posters around with the dumbest questions, all designed for attention. I could care less. Consider me your tutor.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
The teo thing is sketchy. Very disappointing if he was in on it. Kinda weird if he wasn’t. He’s a young kid so it’s possible these days to get involved in an online relationship. But it seems odd that the perpetrator knew him personally.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
1166. Im with you there man..
January 16th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Some people like Palmer AND Pryor………Sheesh..
some people actually support Palmer to start next year, and in the same breath, want Pryor to play another year as #2 and see what happens….
Why somebody have to like ONE, but hate the OTHER?
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My guess is 95% of posters here agree with this exactly.
(honestly can’t say TP earned #2 as much as Leinart lost it)
Sadly a handful here whine for TP due to his race. Which is the same reason they hate Palmer.
Right Mistic? priest? koolkell?
And what a coincidence. all three cry for Hue, while denouncing DA.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
maybe he falls in the draft, if so take him
January 16th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
It’s actually bad luck that Pryor got those lucky Tds to save him. Otherwise, the raiders could easily switch him to wr and move forward. Now they’re kinda forced in a way to let him try another year at qb.
Best bet is to draft a qb and let him compete in preseason with Pryor. When Pryor blows, everyone will get quiet and Pryor can switch without complaint.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I thought prior had some good throws and some bad rose especially when there is a man comming in low or when flicking the ball while forced on his back foot.. but I’m not ready to judge a quarterbacks progression based on 3 split practices and the last game of the season.. and I’m certainly not ready to judge his entire career. He seems like a hard worker and a leader. so we might see some improvement.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Btw there is a another group. People who like Palmer and Pryor but think Pryor is a horrible qb and want him at wr.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Whisenhunt may be headed to Denver as offensive coordinator
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Yeah, I can’t see a guy like that working for DA.
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Can see him loving working for DA.
Whis wants another shot at HC, or course.
In Denver, who has a solid offense, he won’t be noticed as doing much because they got to the playoffs.
In Oakland, whichever OC goes in and jacks up the numbers gets immediate attention.
You would know that if you followed the game.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I thought prior had some good throws and some bad rose especially when there is a man comming in low or when flicking the ball while forced on his back foot.. but I’m not ready to judge a quarterbacks progression based on 3 split practices and the last game of the season.. and I’m certainly not ready to judge his entire career. He seems like a hard worker and a leader. so we might see some improvement.
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That’s where I am.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
But Pryor SHOULD be switched to wr where his skills are best suited. And when they run a wr option pass, Dhb can throw it.
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He should be involved more with the offense because of his obvious athletic prowess. I am not suggesting a full switch to WR/TE, but he needs to be in more creative plays like the WR pass from CP that netted 20+ yards.
Knapp, the abject idiot, had tons of tools in his chest he never bothered to bring out… I can’t wait until we have a creative non-idiot to be in charge of offense.
Tons of no-huddle with Carson… tons of swing passes to Mcf.. tons of bubble screens and reverses to DHB… tons of Pryor crazy plays.
This team has the tools to be one of the most entertaining offenses in football.
I hope they choose to do so…
January 16th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
And I want him at wr cuz that’s where he belongs. Cuz he’s bla….., um, athletic.
Just kidding. That ought to fan the racist accusation flames.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Some people like Palmer AND Pryor………Sheesh..
some people actually support Palmer to start next year, and in the same breath, want Pryor to play another year as #2 and see what happens….
Why somebody have to like ONE, but hate the OTHER?
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Just like the Montana and Steve Young years in SF.
Enjoy the last years of the veteran and be ready for the rookie/young man.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Some people like Palmer AND Pryor………Sheesh..
some people actually support Palmer to start next year, and in the same breath, want Pryor to play another year as #2 and see what happens….
Why somebody have to like ONE, but hate the OTHER?
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Just like the Montana and Steve Young years in SF.
Enjoy the last years of the veteran and be ready for the rookie/young man.
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If this analogy is anywhere close to being truth, all Raiders fans should embrace it.
Instead I see only agenda from CP haters.
It kinda disgusts me, to be honest.
Pryor has his place on this team, but obviously not at starting QB.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Yo Nerds, just finished dropping an epic Beeeech-Style duece dawg off the balcony
Gonna drop my new hip hop jam Hella Pimpin’ tonight at an open mic at the Ritz bar
Gotta find my green bandana, official colors of the Inglewood Eagles. Fly high, fallen birds
Yo, Cinnamon is taking me out shopping for Converse high tops to complete my image, then maybe stop for a trim at Fantastic Sam’s
January 16th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
mistic do u ever talk about anything other than black qbs or palmer fck man give it a rest ur played out and exposed big time please try and find something else about the raiders u can contribute to the board u sound like a 15 year old boy damn
January 16th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Pryor’s debut was widely reviewed as good around NFL circles. Except for the racist haters here.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Most of the dumbasses here hating on Pryor do so to get at Mistic
January 16th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
KrappyRat drunk as a skunk again on the Malibu
Can any of my Blog Brahs get the Old Troll a listing or two? Poor old goat is going to drink himself silly if he has nothing to do
Just keeping it realz
January 16th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
everyone knows this hybrid offense wont work next year the nfl will figure it out this off season ken stabler had a great quote ive seen some really good young running qbs but ive never seen a old running qb before truth
January 16th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
koolkell nobody had any tape on pryor if he had played a few more games his ass would have been exposed for what he really is a running qb who isnt a very accurate thrower and is strickly back up material period
January 16th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Shutdown Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Those who want to trade Terelle Pryor for picks–Bill W. of ESPN is thinking Chip Kelly might want him:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/54023/could-eagles-pursue-terrelle-pryor
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I’m sure if it was up to DA, we’d have traded him 3 hours ago. Question is how do Reggie and Mark feel about Pryor? My guess is Mark likes him some Pryor.
January 16th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Nothing yet!?! Are we waiting for everyone to turn us down so we can end up with Greg Walsh as plan Z?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Ian
he WAS exposed. He was 12 for 28 for barely 4 yards per attempt. Terrible.
The special teams punt block inside the 10-yard line for the easy TD saved his day.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
big banana thats exactly what i have been thinking i posted that earlier today they should trade TP to philly its perfect i really hope they do
January 16th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
alex7 i kno ur right but trying to explain that to some people on this board is almost impossible they think he played awesome lmfao
January 16th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
1192.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Ian
he WAS exposed. He was 12 for 28 for barely 4 yards per attempt. Terrible.
The special teams punt block inside the 10-yard line for the easy TD saved his day.
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Considering we haven’t scored a TD in 2 straight games, there’s no such thing as an easy TD
January 16th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Ian
the read-option isn’t hard to figure out.
It’s dang hard to DEFEND because human players will often over-pursue, or make the wrong read, or be over-aggressive and get eaten up by the play-action pass or fake dive bootleg.
It’s not a gimmick because you can run an ENTIRE PLAYBOOK out of the formation and constantly make DEs/OLBs have to STOP, READ, and REACT which will lead to errors and big gains.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Judge
lol, 2 straight games?? You make it sounds like it’s an eternity!
Wow, 2 whole entire games? Umm, lots of bad teams have 2-game TD droughts in between many normal games.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Teo?
Wtf?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Dakotex.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
1197.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Judge
lol, 2 straight games?? You make it sounds like it’s an eternity!
Wow, 2 whole entire games? Umm, lots of bad teams have 2-game TD droughts in between many normal games.
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Ok then, I’ll revise my statement
Considering we have not scored a TD in the Redzone since week 7, there’s no such thing as an Easy TD.
Better?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
And it sure seemed like an eternity.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
The Ravens went 5 games some years back without a TD.
Just 3 years ago the Browns went 6 games without a TD.
We went 2?! Stop the presses!!
January 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Does that really make you feel better? That it’s not as bad as offensive powerhouses like the Browns and Ravens?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Judge
in the redzone? having to grasp a little. So because we were scoring some longer TDs from outside the 20, somehow that means the O needed a savior?
Still illogical if you’re honest.
You’re saying if Pryor had DARED to score from outside the 20 intead of inside, your streak of negativity would continue.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Judge
in the redzone? having to grasp a little. So because we were scoring some longer TDs from outside the 20, somehow that means the O needed a savior?
Still illogical if you’re honest.
You’re saying if Pryor had DARED to score from outside the 20 intead of inside, your streak of negativity would continue.
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What a dumbass comment.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
1204.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Judge
in the redzone? having to grasp a little. So because we were scoring some longer TDs from outside the 20, somehow that means the O needed a savior?
Still illogical if you’re honest.
You’re saying if Pryor had DARED to score from outside the 20 intead of inside, your streak of negativity would continue.
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Well he did score from outside the 20, twice. But i was simply pointing out that there are no such things as “Easy TD’s”.
Also if we don’t give up the opening Kickoff TD, maybe we win the game, so don’t overlook Special Teams plays.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Not only is it not as bad as the Ravens and Browns,
it’s a meaningless outlier. Just 2 games. Happens often enough to bad teams. Not that big of a deal.
No different than the weird statistic last year where the Raiders scored a LOT in the 1st half and very little in the 2nd half for like 6 games in a row.
Odd, kinda interesting, but insignificant. Just a little random blurb that fixed itself just through time normalizing everything.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
judge lets not forget palmer barely played in that panther game that was leinart so basically palmer didnt lead our offense to a td vs the chiefs but hey he didnt turn it over either
January 16th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Judge
in the redzone? having to grasp a little. So because we were scoring some longer TDs from outside the 20, somehow that means the O needed a savior?
Still illogical if you’re honest.
You’re saying if Pryor had DARED to score from outside the 20 intead of inside, your streak of negativity would continue.
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So being effective in the Red Zone is inconsequential. That’s a dumbass comment even for a cross posting troll.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
LOL JUDGE. You’re not allowed to make ISH up for Pryor.
He scored on a 9-yard pass, a 3-yard run, and a 5-yard pass (after the ST punt block.)
Scored from outside the 20 twice?? Back up from the kool-aid.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
1208.ian85 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
judge lets not forget palmer barely played in that panther game that was leinart so basically palmer didnt lead our offense to a td vs the chiefs but hey he didnt turn it over either
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I’m not really arguing Pryor should in anyway replace Palmer. Just the fact that he did score 3 TD’s (1 short of Al Bundy’s record) shouldn’t be overlooked considering our season long trouble of getting into the endzone.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
KK
you’re not differentiating between your Red Zone TD% and simply the counting statistic of how many RZ TDs you score.
Huge difference. Can’t penalize a team for not scoring RZ TDs IF they don’t have as many RZ opportunities as another team.
Not saying the Raiders didn’t, but that your logic in how you would score it is statistically flawed.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
1210.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
LOL JUDGE. You’re not allowed to make ISH up for Pryor.
He scored on a 9-yard pass, a 3-yard run, and a 5-yard pass (after the ST punt block.)
Scored from outside the 20 twice?? Back up from the kool-aid.
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Ok, i’m thinking of the Passes to set those up. I’m wrong, not that hard to admit.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
One of my friends did something similar to another one of my friends. Created a Facebook page and chatted him up for several weeks. Fake pictures and all. He knew exactly the type of girl out buddy was looking for and made her his dream girl.
Once he knew he had him hooked he let him in on it. We all had a big laugh and then went to the bar.
This teo stuff seems weird….I guess if they had a chick calling him pretending to be her, but still, how could it get THAT far?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
KK
you’re not differentiating between your Red Zone TD% and simply the counting statistic of how many RZ TDs you score.
Huge difference. Can’t penalize a team for not scoring RZ TDs IF they don’t have as many RZ opportunities as another team.
Not saying the Raiders didn’t, but that your logic in how you would score it is statistically flawed.
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It’s the percentage of TD’s scored in Red Zone opportunities, dumbass. I’m sure you’re not that dumb. Just a racist pos.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
So Manti Teo’s girlfriend rally didn’t exist? My first reaction is “so what”?
Can anyone tell me why there’s talk of the FBI getting involved?
Even if Teo made up that he had a girlfriend who died from a disease, is that a crime that i’m not aware of?
Are they gonna investigate every guy who ever made up a story about a girlfriend?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Judge
let’s be honest.
When your QB goes 12 for 28, 9 out of 10 games it’s not going to lead to 3 TDs.
Not often that your ST blocks a punt and give you the ball at the 5. Or that you’re down big in the 4th and you get some easy late-game TD.
12 for 28 but 3 TDs isn’t very repeatable. Tell me you know this is bad.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Are they gonna investigate every guy who ever made up a story about a girlfriend?
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Hope not, then they might find out a few of my takedowns are more BombShelters than Bombshells.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Scuttlebutting sounds like a Dennis Allen coaching search, that’s for sure.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
KK
you’re wearing your big-boy cussing pants today! Pat yourself on the head.
Then you agree with me while calling me dumb. Hmmmm.
To recap for your struggling self: The OTHER poster is talking about how MANY red zone TDs we had. I’m saying the TD PERCENTAGE is more important.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
DJ, they better not
Speaking of Cinnamon, my girlfriend just brought over a large bucket of KFC, sides and Parker Lewis Can’t Lose on VHS
Hopefully we don’t break up before we get to the cole slaw
January 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
1217.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Judge
let’s be honest.
When your QB goes 12 for 28, 9 out of 10 games it’s not going to lead to 3 TDs.
Not often that your ST blocks a punt and give you the ball at the 5. Or that you’re down big in the 4th and you get some easy late-game TD.
12 for 28 but 3 TDs isn’t very repeatable. Tell me you know this is bad.
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Who’s to say he’s going to go 12/28 everygame? He had at least 5-9 passes flat out dropped, and not by the usual suspects (DHB) but by usually reliable guys like Reese, Meyers and Moore.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Dang Judge
Thought you were kidding about you and Roseanne
January 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
1223.alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Dang Judge
Thought you were kidding about you and Roseanne
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They’re called “Slump Busters” bro don’t judge
January 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Somebody needs to make a fake OC page and friend McLip and Denise. So clueless they’d schedule an interview. Just say they would work 4 min wage. Oakland Packers baby!
January 16th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
BREAKING NEWS…
Reggie’s gut just made a statement regarding Marc Trestman…
Its said buuubbbllle buuuubbblle buuubbbbllle
and ended with a shart…..
More News at eleven…
January 16th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Well Judge
History says 12 for 28 is normal for Pryor. In games vs legit D’s at OSU:
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
He was around or below 50% in two pre-season games.
He was below 50% in his NFL debut.
It’s a historical pattern if we remove the fan bias that makes us WANT to see him succeed.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
DJ, they better not
Speaking of Cinnamon, my girlfriend just brought over a large bucket of KFC, sides and Parker Lewis Can’t Lose on VHS
Hopefully we don’t break up before we get to the cole slaw
—
You and Cinnamon have been together for a long time now.
Do we hear wedding bells?
January 16th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
1225.MarcusAllen Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Somebody needs to make a fake OC page and friend McLip and Denise. So clueless they’d schedule an interview. Just say they would work 4 min wage. Oakland Packers baby!
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John Doe: From Wisconson, Former Practice Squad Development Coordinator, willing to work for under league min, willing to take fall for lousy season
January 16th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
What happens u post over and over and NOBODY cares? Do u realize it finally and Ho crawl away? Or just keep at it forever until u finally get a nibble. Then u feel like u have a friend.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
TP is one of the few players on this roster with elite nfl speed and athleticism, so sure, let’s trade him away for a 3rd rounder that Mumbles can turn into another ps player…
TP showed more than enough against SD to warrent the QB2 spot next year, give him time to work on his game.
meyers, reece and denarious didn’t help him out at all in SD…
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Wait does teo spell his name teeeo?
Made up girls would make a lot if sense then.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
MarcusAllen
they interviewed two guys without anyone knowing about it until days later.
So you’re now assuming if you don’t hear about it, it isn’t happening??
Kinda silly.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
haha liked the al bundy reference there judge
January 16th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Van
are you saying you honestly wouldn’t trade a backup QB for a 3rd round pick?
I mean, backup QB isn’t that hard of a position to fill.
And there are plenty of them out there as good or better than Pryor.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Honestly PRyor may just get one season to show something.
We are wasting time talking about Palmer/ Pryor. Both probaly wont be the starter coming foward in 2014
Both may may not even be starter this coming year. Reggie still hast drafted a qb yet. Lets see.
If he traded down and somehow drafted GENO SMITH.. that would be wild.
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Mel Kiper has Geno the # 3 QB in the draft behind Glennon and Barkley.
If Raiders drafted him at # 3 overall it would a bigger stretch than anything Al Davis ever did, but you’re right. If we could get him later…might be good.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8849439/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots
amazing article if you’re into learning the nuances of the Patriots ever-evolving, ever-butt-kicking offense.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
1234.ian85 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
haha liked the al bundy reference there judge
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4 TD’s in one game is pretty much the standard for greatness now a days.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
anyways we r screwed with mumbles and denise i kno i sure as hell wont be excited for next season this hurts and is very painfull these guys r taking us straight into the pooper i cant believe these clowns r running the show well for those of u who want to keep allen just for the sake of continuity be careful for what u wish for we r gonna have another miserable season what a bunch of bull
January 16th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
are you saying you honestly wouldn’t trade a backup QB for a 3rd round pick?
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You’d almost HAVE to spend that on another QB.
Might as well see what you have with the current 3rd rd QB.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Poole: Oakland Raiders’ Terrelle Pryor shows promise in debut as starting quarterback
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22285248/poole-oakland-raiders-terrelle-pryor-shows-promise-debut
January 16th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
I think Pryor can hit the “open guy”.
Can he zip it in “windows”? Since I haven’t seen him do it, I’d have to say no.
I think his “athleticism” will buy more time and we’ll have more “open guys”.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Alex7…in a word NO with the cruddy o-line we’ve got going, an athletic QB w/ escapability makes sense to me. we would have to get better than a 3rd to make the investment of the pick and the cash for 2 years break even.
Besides, Reggies drafting is far from a sure thing at this point…I liked what i saw from TP in SD.
Hanging the 14 of 28 on him isn’t exactly fair, with 1 week of split reps at practice and the fact his most reliable recievers went south on him multiple times.
January 16th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Terelle Pryor shows Promise
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1463137-raiders-vs-chargers-terrelle-pryor-shows-promise-in-loss
January 16th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Pryor with three TDs in debut : Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor was able to find the end zone three times in Week 17 against the Chargers. Pryor, who was making his first career start, found Darrius Heyward-Bey on a 9-yard touchdown strike in the second quarter. He also found Denarius Moore on a 5-yard strike in the fourth and also scored on a 3-yard rush earlier in the final period. Pryor completed 13 of his 28 pass attempts for 150 yards in the 24-21 loss and also racked up 49 yards rushing on nine carries. “He earned the chance for us to evaluate him more,” coach Dennis Allen said
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1631107/terrelle-pryor
January 16th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
we have much bigger problems than QB on our team guys MUMBLES and DENISE r at the healm that scares and worries me way more than our current QB situation
January 16th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Dennis Allen impressed with Terrelle Pryor’s ‘presence’
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/1/8/3851218/dennis-allen-terrelle-pryor-raiders
January 16th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Alex7 do you read about other teams interviewing and hiring?
These fools got dick to show except martz. We already know what we got last year and already kicked out. What we’ll get is last retread standing or some unknown college QB coach.
If lips was smart he’d pick someone who could take over for Denise next year.
Hope I get surprised but nothing they’ve done thus far is giving me faith.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Raiders Report Card: QB Terrelle Pryor impresses
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21479069
January 16th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
DA even using the word ‘EVALUATE’ is a joke…
This clown is the same guy who said TP ‘wasn’t ready to even be a back up’ and then had to let him start and the kid nearly wins a game the ST coaches tried to give away. DA is the one who should be ‘EVALUATED’ and released, but Reggie’s not gonna do that on his 1st hire…
January 16th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Terrelle Pryor. I thought he really did some nice things in the game, showed some improvement and showed that there’s some stuff that we can work with moving forward with Terrelle Pryor. So that was good to see. I thought the red zone offense was an improvement. I thought third down was an improvement.
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Coach-Allens-Season-Ending-Press-Conference/23cc003f-36a5-4b97-8a79-33220cad9f43
January 16th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Quarterback Andrew Luck was sacked 41 times in his rookie season and took plenty of other hits behind an offensive line that Grigson acknowledges has to get better.
“Andrew has to get hit less, we know that,”
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Satele definitely having an impact in Indy, lol.
QB still getting mauled on his watch.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Terrelle Pryor, Oakland: There are rumblings that he may win the starting job next season. A big question mark.
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/other-sports/8380-the-quarterbacks-how-they-stack-up
January 16th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
MUMBLES and DENISE r gonna run us in the ground they lost me when they turned our offense upside down and hired knapp that was it for me right then i knew we were screwed these guys r completey incompetent and have no clue or plan on what to do worst of all we now have to put up with the niners playing for NFC titles while captain studder and tits sit around with there thumbs up there arses
January 16th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Reggie needs to unhitch the wagon.
Can you imagine Carson Palmer hearing about Martz while his ribs and lungs are healing?!?
“Uh yes Carson every QB under Martz incurs a season ending injury… But try not to worry our offensive line will be learning yet another scheme.”
Oakland Packers Baby!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Breaking News!!
Using the same vetting process that he used to hire Dennis Allen, Reggie McKenzie has secured the 1st pick of the draft and has announced that he will select Notre Dame MLB Manti Te’o! McKenzie will also retain current MLB Rolando McClain. McKenzie said that after discussing the situation with Dennis Allen that “McClain will be a mentor for Te’o. He will show him what it takes to be a NFL player. In related news the SF 49er’s have informed Oakland that they will give the Raiders “anything” so that they can draft Te’o, they envision Te’o as San Francisco’s “Yao Ming!”
January 16th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Mel Kiper has Geno the # 3 QB in the draft behind Glennon and Barkley.
If Raiders drafted him at # 3 overall it would a bigger stretch than anything Al Davis ever did, but you’re right. If we could get him later…might be good.
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If anyone has an Agenda its KIPER. Take him with a grain of salt.
A few yrs ago he was saying JIMMY CLAUSEN was the top qb and pushing hard for hte RAiders to take him. They didnt and he got kinda mad ..blasted Raiders saying they should have taken him at 8th overall.
Comes to find out Kiper is really good friends with his agent. Kiper has friends in the agency trying to push their qb clients.
Glennon looked terrible when i saw him.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Carson Palmer, Oakland: A stop-gap measure that cost the franchise big-time, he may not be the answer the Raiders were looking for.
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/other-sports/8380-the-quarterbacks-how-they-stack-up
January 16th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Carson Palmer, Oakland: A stop-gap measure that cost the franchise big-time, he may not be the answer the Raiders were looking for.
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/other-sports/8380-the-quarterbacks-how-they-stack-up
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been saying that. hey but he threw for 4,000 yards.. was a garbage time all star and never had the right offense around him.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Buckeye fans have been wondering when Terrelle Pryor was going to get a shot out in Oakland and the Raiders decided to finally give the kid a chance in the last week of the 2012 season.
Though it was in defeat, TP accounted for all three of Oakland’s touchdowns, which was good enough to take home his first career Houndie in his first start. TP didn’t have the best completion rate, connecting on 13/28 for 150 yards and one pick, but he tossed two TD passes and ran for another in their 24-21 loss at San Diego.
Pryor rushed nine times on the day for a total of 49 yards and wasn’t sacked against a team that sacked Jets QB Greg McElroy 11 times last week, on the road no less. It’s way too early to tell if TP will get a shot to start next season, but it’s clear Carson Palmer isn’t the answer and Pryor gives them some athleticism under center. If Oakland can tweak their offense to mirror Washington’s and RG3, TP would have a good chance at starting next year.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/01/18084/the-houndie-week-17
January 16th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Steer clear of Manti Te’o. enough of guys who are not upfront and honest.
I’d take Mcclain over Teo all day every day.. and least hes honest. “Fckk yall”
“I cant wait to be on a real team” he was right about that
January 16th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
RockinRaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The season was over dumbass and TP isnt your typical 3rd stringer but u are too dumb to realize that. TP should have been given the last three games to be evaluated.
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Wrong, ghettoblaster.
Leinart should have been given the last three games to be evaluated.
What?
Now it’s different?
Pryor sucked so he should have been given more games?
Again, Leinart deserved it, not the college cheat that 31 other teams passed on, TWICE, because he couldn’t hit water from a boat.
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Lol at the scariest cross posting punk on the blog defending his girl friend dr nob, you know what they say “birds of a feather” ha, straigt suckas.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
TP is one of the few players on this roster with elite nfl speed and athleticism, so sure, let’s trade him away for a 3rd rounder that Mumbles can turn into another ps player…
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This is funny. Really funny! Have you been following the Raiders at all over the past decade. The only thing that Al ever drafted was ahtletes with elite speed. The roster is full of them: Huff, Moore, Ford, DHB, DMac, Jones, plus guys like Ausberry and Reece that are much faster than peers at their position.
And almost everyone of those players is crucified on here in one way or another for not being a good enough football player. Probably because Al valued the speed and athleticism more than actual football skill.
Pryor is a shining example of the above. That does not project him to great success.
January 16th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
They also finally saw some real potential out of backup quarterback Terrelle Pryor in the week 17 season finale, which means they may not have to worry about finding an eventual franchise passer to groom behind Carson Palmer. It’s still open for debate, but one could make the case they already have one.
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http://nflsoup.com/2013-nfl-draft-team-needs-oakland-raiders/
January 16th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
At that point, the Raiders – who had gone three-and-out their first two drives – put things together, as Pryor lead an 80-yard drive that culminated with his 9-yard TD pass to Darrius Heyward-Bey. On the drive, Pryor completed four passes and also picked up 8 yards on a scramble.
It was the Raiders’ first touchdown in 10 quarters.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/For-Raiders-Pryor-Makes-Final-Loss-Interesting-185235612.html
January 16th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RM will trade the 3rd overall pick to Green bay for some practice squad players and a lifetime pass at dennys.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
pryor should play WR. guy is 6 5″ with 4.3 speed. Thats megatron size and speed there. don’t know why people can’t see what this dudes real skill set is.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Am still in shock at the use of the word scuttlebutt. Wow!
Go to 4000! We can do it!
The Raiders need to host a fan day here.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
we want a Megatron at qb that would trump their Megatron in det and it would make up for the flop that is Jruss.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
1267.charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
pryor should play WR. guy is 6 5″ with 4.3 speed. Thats megatron size and speed there. don’t know why people can’t see what this dudes real skill set is.
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Pryor insists on being a QB and he should be. Just because he is Megatron size and speed doesn’t mean he would be Megatron. With this logic there would be a whole lot more strippers in the world.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Just had dinner with Reg and Allen at Denny’s. Now I gotta go and punish the toilet with this mega super rock hard deuce that’s percolating. Oh wait, I just ate at Denny’s. I’ll most likely cover the walls with some muddy diarrhea. Holla.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Pryor rushed nine times on the day for a total of 49 yards and wasn’t sacked against a team that sacked Jets QB Greg McElroy 11 times last week, on the road no less.
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From 11 sacks to Zero.
We have a world-class pass blocking front.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
1267.charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
pryor should play WR. guy is 6 5″ with 4.3 speed. Thats megatron size and speed there. don’t know why people can’t see what this dudes real skill set is.
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Pryor insists on being a QB and he should be. Just because he is Megatron size and speed doesn’t mean he would be Megatron. With this logic there would be a whole lot more strippers in the world.
>> whats your point genius? i said he has megatron size and speed. makes him the most dangerous weapon on offense. looking at our crap WRs Pryor would probably beat them all out. i don’t think he’s much of a passer and it’ll be another 4-12 season if you throw him back there. tired of this sh*t. draft a real QB,big guy with a fuking howitzer and call it good.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
MarcusAllen
they interviewed two guys without anyone knowing about it until days later.
So you’re now assuming if you don’t hear about it, it isn’t happening??
Kinda silly.
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Truth is, they spend to much time on the toilet. I told u this already. Why don’t u understand. Reg has a crapper fit for a sultan and Dennis is always sneakin in there and Reg is always booting him out. But my sources tell me Reg is installing another commode next to his so him and Allen can spend more side by side time together and talk shop. U know this.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Rump N Slump Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
MarcusAllen
they interviewed two guys without anyone knowing about it until days later.
So you’re now assuming if you don’t hear about it, it isn’t happening??
Kinda silly.
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Truth is, they spend to much time on the toilet. I told u this already. Why don’t u understand. Reg has a crapper fit for a sultan and Dennis is always sneakin in there and Reg is always booting him out. But my sources tell me Reg is installing another commode next to his so him and Allen can spend more side by side time together and talk shop. U know this.
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Ahh, yes. Too funny. I remember the story about Mark shuffling down the hall with his pants around his ankles because Reg removed all the TP because he was sick of Mark stinking up the joint on his royal commode.
That story was more entertaining than the Raiders’ 2012 season.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Jeeeeez, you guys are still babbling about Pryor in here when there is a schizophrenic LB out there making up dead girlfriends? C’mon. This crap gets old.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Amish Mafia coming to the hood LMAO.
Levi for OC
January 16th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Gotta go. Got a sak wax and some nutz polishing. The gotta watch my friend put the finishing touches on a four foot wiener. He’s gonna put a niner helmet on top of it and a massive condom painted red and gold. Fckng thing is gonna be worth a mint. WHUT WHUT
January 16th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
1278
You are far from funny. Do your 6th grade classmates find you amusing?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
January 16th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
This Manti Te’o story is weird, wild stuff.
Supposedly this was exclusively an online/phone relationship and Te’o is saying he was duped.
I don’t know. Weird stuff. Honestly I do not care. Funny to listen to these clowns on ESPN go over it with such seriousness like it’s Watergate. Whatever.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
There are some serious chumps on here. Guaranteed they are the kind that keep the stickers on their caps cuz their “shiny”. U know how that got started right? The stickers were kinda cool so people left them on. Then it became “popular” and all the idiotic followers do it.
Minnie pearl used to keep the tag on her hat to show of was new. But she was a comedienne and it was a joke on people who do that stuff.
“No sacks!” “3tds!”
But 150 yards, 47%, 70.8 rating.
Pryor is like the shiny sticker. And u idiots don’t know intelligent people are laughing at u.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
A guy here says he would take McClain over teo. That’s saying u want garbage. I’d rather play with NO MLB at all.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Didn’t Dirk do something with a chick who was someone else, even though everyone told him she was?
And then he won the title a few years later.
I don’t see the issue with this here, whether he knew or not.
Will make ZERO impact on his professional career.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Rump N Slump Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
MarcusAllen
they interviewed two guys without anyone knowing about it until days later.
So you’re now assuming if you don’t hear about it, it isn’t happening??
Kinda silly.
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Truth is, they spend to much time on the toilet. I told u this already. Why don’t u understand. Reg has a crapper fit for a sultan and Dennis is always sneakin in there and Reg is always booting him out. But my sources tell me Reg is installing another commode next to his so him and Allen can spend more side by side time together and talk shop. U know this.
>. why are talking about bowel movements on a football blog man? whats next you gonna start talking about toilet paper.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Palmer isn’t the answer in Oakland yet Cutler is a “franchise” qb in Chicago that was appealing to new HC Marc Trestman.
Let’s just say I agree that Palmer is not the answer and we need to seriously upgrade at QB.
Where do these writers come up with this crap about Cutler being “franchise” qb?
If Palmer “sucks” what does that make Cutler? But wait. According to the “experts” he’s a franchise qb?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Te’O is uber-religious and Mormon, and probably a virgin.
I can see someone like that getting duped with some make-believe chick due to his naivete.
What Pryor did was a lot worse, IMO, it directly effected the players in the locker room.
This didn’t.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Steer clear of Manti Te’o. enough of guys who are not upfront and honest.
I’d take Mcclain over Teo all day every day.. and least hes honest. “Fckk yall”
“I cant wait to be on a real team” he was right about that
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You’re kidding. Seriously? McClain?
January 16th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
An idiot would continue saying Pryor will be a good starting quarterback, maybe after continuing to put up numbers like he did in his FIRST GAME EVER. No one is saying he is the savior but he mos def needs more looks and a nice back up role until, if he ever, “gets it”.
Too bad the Patriots wont play the Broncos in the Superbowl!
January 16th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Cutler is a franchise QB, he had his team a half away from the Super Bowl recently, and was putting up 35+ points down the stretch of the season.
6-2 last year before hurt, 10-6 this year.
Cutler is twice the QB of Carson Palmer.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
A guy here says he would take McClain over teo. That’s saying u want garbage. I’d rather play with NO MLB at all.
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Heck yes. Look what this defense did w/o him in the lineup.
Top 3 in the league.
Of course that stat doesn’t matter cuz it suggests something other than we are the biggest mess in the sports universe.
Rule #1-If the Raiders show any sign of progress it is to be immediately dismissed as a fluke or a mirage and not to be taken seriously.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Draft Warmack, trade Brisiel to Indianapolis, Seattle, Denver, back to Houston, Washington, or other zbs teams.
ResignWheeler, Ross, and Bryant,;
Move Taiwan to DB, keep as gunner on special teams, he’s great at it;
Sign a top veteran WR, Wallace, Jennings, or Bowe.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Palmer > Cutler
January 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I would trade Carson Palmer, Terrelle Pryor, Brandon Meyers, Matt Shaugnessy and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler
January 16th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
And there is zero chance the Bears would accept that offer.
January 16th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I would trade Carson Palmer, Terrelle Pryor, Brandon Meyers, Matt Shaugnessy and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler
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Is that your gut talking or are you serious? lol
January 16th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
This Manti Te’o story is weird, wild stuff.
Supposedly this was exclusively an online/phone relationship and Te’o is saying he was duped.
I don’t know. Weird stuff. Honestly I do not care. Funny to listen to these clowns on ESPN go over it with such seriousness like it’s Watergate. Whatever.
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If this is true, the dude is a complete moron. I mean c’mon. You’re telling me he never skyped with her? This this is beyond unreal. He’s messed in the head and now ND is in full spin mode.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Dead serious.
If you have no QB, you have no chance.
We have no QB, Carson is a loser, never won a playoff game, teams get worse with him (like us) and get better without him (Bengals).
January 16th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
JFB,
Once upon a time the Bengals got better with Palmer, so don’t reduce yourself to half supported thearies that only strengthen your argument.
Are you some kind of politician?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I would trade Carson Palmer, Terrelle Pryor, Brandon Meyers, Matt Shaugnessy and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler
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NOT for Cutler.
Palmer blows Cutler away stat wise and not just in his “garbage stat” yr of 2012…over the length of his career.
You would want a qb WORSE than the guy you say is “a loser”?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
A younger Carson Palmer had promise, as he did turn around the Bengals franchise to some extent.
But that was almost 10 years ago. Ship has sailed, we need a Plan B.
Not sure if that is TP or not, I have my doubts, but no more Carson please.
20+ starts is an ample sample size for a 33 year old on a rebuilding team.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
*theories
January 16th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I’m sure Carson’s stats “blow-away” some of Eli’s and Big Ben’s years.
But in reality, Carson just blows.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Cutler had Brandon Marshall to throw toand Palmer had an undrafted rookie who caught 19 passes in college.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
We have a Qb, just so happens the rest of the team and the offense built for Palmer this past season, was the worse case scenario to put us in a position to win games.
How do you think Cutler would have done?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
I stand corrected, JFB. I knew you were better then that, but what are the options?
We don’t have any for next season, but it still is better to cut our losses with Carson as 4 mil is alot less than 17 mil.
We are inbetween a rock and a hard place concerning the most important position on oue team.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Just fire–see. This is the definition of not knowing what ur talking about. Cutlers stats are wrist than palmers across the board. But cuz his TEAM is better, u think he’s a franchise qb. Doesn’t even make sense. It’s like talking to a broken robot.
Raiders bad. Palmer bad.
Bears good. Cutler good.
Meep. Meep.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Palmer blows Cutler away stat wise
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Really???
By my count, Cutler has had a higher QBR in 4 of the last 7 years, and that is comparing his rookie years to Carson’s 3rd year.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
We don’t have many options at the QB position people….
Why is that so hard for you guys to understand ????
January 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Like him or not,Palmer is gonna be here next yr.as the starter. Too much cap hit to get rid of him.
I see that Seattle is willing to part ways with Flynn. That would be an intriguing option if not for all the money that is owed to Palmer.
Let’s say for the sake of argument Reggie and Da are down on Palmer. What do they do with him?
Do they just cut him and eat the money?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Guys here look at all the wrong things and deduce all the wrong stuff.
The wind blew and the dog farted. Therefore wind makes dogs fart.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
JFB has decided to get on the Palmer Bashing crew.
Your Reggie, JFB. What’s you plan for 2013?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Where are these “across the board” stats?
Cutler outproduced him in just about every stat in 2007, 2008 , 2010 and 2011.
He also did so in meaningful games and playoff pushes.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Ask broncos fans and bears fans how they feel about cutler.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Honey Badger just moved ahead of Te’o on everyone’s draft board.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Your Reggie, JFB. What’s you plan for 2013?
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Get rid of Carson Palmer, probably bring in a vet and a draft pick to mix with TP.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
I would trade Carson Palmer, Terrelle Pryor, Brandon Meyers, Matt Shaugnessy and our 3rd round pick for Jay Cutler
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Carson Palmer career:
62.5% comp; 189 TDs; 130 INTs; 7.2 YPA; 86.2 rating
Jay Cutler career:
60.8%; 136 TDs; 100 INTs; 7.2 YPA; 84.0 rating
Palmer just turned 33 a few weeks ago. Cutler turns 30 in April. Statistically they’re pretty close, with Palmer carrying a slight edge, but Cutler has played in much better offenses/franchises than Palmer throughout their careers.
Why on Earth would you give up all that for Cutler?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Cutler has the same playoff appearances as Palmer, 2. Cutler is 1-1 and Palmer 0-2.
Cutler reg season record is 51-42
Palmer reg season record is 54-67
Cutler was on better teams but only managed to win one more playoff game than Palmer?
They both suck! lol
January 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Im hearing Manti could have thsi big o’l cover up because he possibly could be gay.
Just reading some theories on twitter. That would be interesting. 1s openely gay NFL football player.
If thats the case then this “hoax” could be explained.
I’d let him play for hte Raiders
January 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
1311
lmao I like that one!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Knapps play book made Palmer and the rest of the Raiders look real bad. Defense too. Knapps play book kept our defense unrested and over worked. I just hope our next OC can keep the offense on the field and the defense given time to get rested.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Cutler is no leader of men. I would never have him on our team. Leadership is the first criteria for the QB position.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Palmer blows Cutler away stat wise
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Really???
By my count, Cutler has had a higher QBR in 4 of the last 7 years, and that is comparing his rookie years to Carson’s 3rd year.
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Palmer career rating is 86.2
Cutler’s career rating is 82.0
(or very close)
Cutler has 136 career td’s and 100 int’s
Palmer 189 td’s 130 int’s
Interception percentage:
Palmer: 3.2
Cutler: 3.4
(the higher the number the worse).
January 16th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Joe Montana football on Sega had more plays than Knapps playbook.
Actually, I think that might have been what he used.
“He drops it, scramble for the ball!”
January 16th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Teo faking his GF?
Teo may be gay?
If Teo comes out saying he’s a captain of a reggae rub and tug boat then we all really know who Teo is.
Teo=Beecham
January 16th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Your Reggie, JFB. What’s you plan for 2013?
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Get rid of Carson Palmer, probably bring in a vet and a draft pick to mix with TP.
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So you would eat the 4+ million cap hit and sign which veteran? For how much?
Do you even have a plan of action or are you just talking out you behind like most in here?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Look at recent numbers, Carson’s numbers are clinging to his really good 2005 and 2006 seasons.
He ain’t that same player anymore.
Cutler is 3 years younger, and better, with more playoff experience and end of the season meaningful game experience.
He just went 10-5 in a schedule that featured 7 games against playoff teams, including a brutal Hou, Minny, Sea, Minny, GB consective game stretch.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Don’t sound like JFB to me.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Comparing Carson’s career numbers is a cop-out.
I ain’t talking about who has the best back of a football card, I am talking about the last couple of years and the next couple of years, who would be theoratically better for the Raiders.
Not even close in my eyes.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Tim Brown said Marc Trestman and Bill Callahan are alike in that they know the Xs and Os real well but aren’t good leaders of men.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
The only thing Cutler has on Palmer is age.
I guess you can say Palmer “lost” that playoff game against Pittsbugh but his ankle got rolled over in the 1st quarter by Van Oelfenderferfleuven or whatever his name is.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Now Arizona Cardinals Fullback is claiming to have met the Girl Manti was suppose to be dating.
This crap is crazy.
I bet Manti and That fullback were dating and its just a coverup??
January 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Do you even have a plan of action or are you just talking out you behind like most in here?
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LOL….I thought I was fairly clear with what I would do.
Cut Carson first. Look at the vets avail (we don’t have the full list yet) and probably inquire on Flynn, and draft a QB in the first 4 rounds to mix with TP.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Look at recent numbers, Carson’s numbers are clinging to his really good 2005 and 2006 seasons.
He ain’t that same player anymore.
Cutler is 3 years younger, and better, with more playoff experience and end of the season meaningful game experience.
He just went 10-5 in a schedule that featured 7 games against playoff teams, including a brutal Hou, Minny, Sea, Minny, GB consective game stretch.
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Last yr’s numbers:
Cutler 19 td’s 14 int’s
Palmer 22 td’s 14 int’s
I know. “Garbage stats”.
Ok, so u want someone better than Palmer…but who?
With the cap hit what can realistically be done?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Flacco, Tavaris Jackson, Matt Moore, Drew Stanton, Seneca Wallace are the Top 5 FA QB’s this offseason.
Which one you gonna go after, JFB?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Don’t sound like JFB to me.
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Are u Bob or Kell tonight?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
palmer is 2nd tier QB IMO. has an awesome arm and can anticipate with the best of them. much better than any QB we’ve had since gannon. not even close. If pryor ends up with 4000 yards, 85 Qb rating 22tds and 14 ints people on here would be master baiting all over their monitors.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Palmer had some moments last season, but which is par for the course with him, they were all pretty much pre-Turkey day.
Carson has one winning month in his career and it is……September!!! 7 games under for his career Nov-Dec-Jan.
Cutler’s best month is November and is 3 games over .500 in Nov-Dec-Jan.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Flacco, Tavaris Jackson, Matt Moore, Drew Stanton, Seneca Wallace are the Top 5 FA QB’s this offseason.
Which one you gonna go after, JFB?
>. you throw the franchise at Flacco. 5 years 100 mil
January 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
The best u can do is try and trade Palmer for a 6th rounder just to clear ur cap space.. and have money for some good FA’s
Draft a qb , sign a Vet like Alex smith if he is cut and compete with Pryor.
its a rebuild year anyway.. and u may be in a spot to draft Clowney, Johnny Football, or Bridgewater next year.
or drafting Geno SMith like Gil Brandt says early 2nd round from a trade down.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Man our team sucks. We got a couple good players and we should cut or trade them them so we can continue to suck. Whoa! tbc
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
If we could afford Flacco, why not but I wouldn’t mind Moore getting a look.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Now Arizona Cardinals Fullback is claiming to have met the Girl Manti was suppose to be dating.
This crap is crazy.
I bet Manti and That fullback were dating and its just a coverup??
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Ha. THAT would be a story.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Which one you gonna go after, JFB?
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Seriously???
Those fools and Flacco?
Dude, Flacco is the best QB in the NFL without a ring.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Gotta go boys.
Warriors vs. Heat right now.
GO WARRIORS!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
One more thing…..
Flacco is Palmer….
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
If we could afford Flacco, why not but I wouldn’t mind Moore getting a look.
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I’m afraid Flacco’s agent is spouting off about Flacco being one of the top 3 in the league…and wants to be paid like it.
Can u imagine what the cap hit would be for him? OMG.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
without the defense, of course lol.
I usually don’t get into the people around him conversations cause it is IRRELEVANT!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Man our team sucks. We got a couple good players and we should cut or trade them them so we can continue to suck. Whoa! tbc
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You know your theory about MR being all these different people?
Are u noticing anything?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
The best u can do is try and trade Palmer for a 6th rounder just to clear ur cap space.. and have money for some good FA’s
Draft a qb , sign a Vet like Alex smith if he is cut and compete with Pryor.
its a rebuild year anyway.. and u may be in a spot to draft Clowney, Johnny Football, or Bridgewater next year.
or drafting Geno SMith like Gil Brandt says early 2nd round from a trade down.
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Wow. Are you kidding? Alex Smith is terrible. Basically the white Jason Campbell. Maybe very slightly better.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Yes Dj,
Flacco will demand a huge salary, especially if they make it to the Superbowl or even win it. Imagine that guy tossing those bombs to our wr’s!?!? Whew whooo…just praying those fools won’t drop it.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Do people not remember Carson dropping a stink bomb at home against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs?
He looked like he wanted to quit at halftime. Had about the same QB rating that Joe Webb just had.
Then has gone 12-28 since then.
He is done.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
One more thing…..
Flacco is Palmer….
>. one more thing: you have no credibility. Flacco is 8-4 in the playoffs son. thats a winner. has a better playoff record than peyton manning!!! 6 6″ with a howitzer and he’s a winner.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Wow. Are you kidding? Alex Smith is terrible. Basically the white Jason Campbell. Maybe very slightly better.
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again follow along buddy. Its a rebuild year. why pay top qb money for a team thats BUILDING.
We are no where near a SB run. 17 million dollars to a qb where this team is at?? makes no sense.
Alex smith was just one name
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
One more thing…..
Flacco is Palmer….
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I think that’s pretty accurate. When Flacco is really on like against Denver he may be a bit better, but he’s more inconsistent and has some MUCH worse performances.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Do people not remember Carson dropping a stink bomb at home against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs?
He looked like he wanted to quit at halftime. Had about the same QB rating that Joe Webb just had.
Then has gone 12-28 since then.
He is done.
>. Hue really bent oakland over with that trade. thats why he got a job with the bungles so fast
January 16th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Wow. Are you kidding? Alex Smith is terrible. Basically the white Jason Campbell. Maybe very slightly better.
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again follow along buddy. Its a rebuild year. why pay top qb money for a team thats BUILDING.
We are no where near a SB run. 17 million dollars to a qb where this team is at?? makes no sense.
Alex smith was just one name
. you pay because the QB position is the most important part of a rebuild. we haven’t had a top QB here in so long we all don’t even know how vital it is.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Whoa! was the sudden realization that a lot of ‘fans’ that came on board during or after the Gruden years did so because they’re attracted to losers and losing causes. So they have something to gripe about? Identify with? I don’t know or care. Silver and Black is cool and popular? Some rapper likes us? Explains a whole lot of posters mentality here. Except KK. He was here for the glory days and still hates everything that created the glory.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
One more thing…..
Flacco is Palmer….
>. one more thing: you have no credibility. Flacco is 8-4 in the playoffs son. thats a winner. has a better playoff record than peyton manning!!! 6 6″ with a howitzer and he’s a winner.
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For one Peyton is a “choke artist” as witnessed last weekend and of cours the SB interception that cost the Colts a second superbowl. I don’t expect that you watch the games, but did you see Flacco miss wide open big plays last weekend or were you too into eating your hot wings dumba** ????
Your credibility has been revoked, Fool!!!!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
you pay because the QB position is the most important part of a rebuild. we haven’t had a top QB here in so long we all don’t even know how vital it is.
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again will Palmer be here in two years? probaly not. You are gonna build a team around a guy that may not be here in two years? Where they do that at?
January 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
. you pay because the QB position is the most important part of a rebuild. we haven’t had a top QB here in so long we all don’t even know how vital it is.
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That was true until Oct. 18th, 2011
January 16th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Since Flacco got rid of Hue Jackson as his QB coach, he has posted a 95+ QB rating in 5 of 6 playoff games.
Over 115 in 3 of them.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
They just scrolled it on NFLN that the Seattle GM is willing to deal Matt Flynn.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Raider E Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
One more thing…..
Flacco is Palmer….
>. one more thing: you have no credibility. Flacco is 8-4 in the playoffs son. thats a winner. has a better playoff record than peyton manning!!! 6 6″ with a howitzer and he’s a winner.
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For one Peyton is a “choke artist” as witnessed last weekend and of cours the SB interception that cost the Colts a second superbowl. I don’t expect that you watch the games, but did you see Flacco miss wide open big plays last weekend or were you too into eating your hot wings dumba** ????
Your credibility has been revoked, Fool!!!!
>> I’ve seen tom Brady miss open Wrs too fool!! I’ve seen steve young miss too sucka!! i was out getting paid and using up some charminultralight last weekend, dropping manly deuces fool! you’ve been exposed as a poser sucka and your blog creds have been deboed by me partna!
January 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
. you pay because the QB position is the most important part of a rebuild. we haven’t had a top QB here in so long we all don’t even know how vital it is.
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That was true until Oct. 18th, 2011
>. palmer is good but not elite by the time he got here man. we can roll with palmer in 13 but need to find the franchise by 14 IMO. otherwise MD won’t sell enough tickets to by that charminultralight that i like so much.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
again will Palmer be here in two years? probaly not. You are gonna build a team around a guy that may not be here in two years? Where they do that at?
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Yes he will. And you are building a team around an NFL QB, not a person or gimmick.
Where they do that at?” How about NE? Bledsoe out, Brady in.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Since Flacco got rid of Hue Jackson as his QB coach, he has posted a 95+ QB rating in 5 of 6 playoff games.
Over 115 in 3 of them.
>> Flacco wins playoff games. that counts for something. would have been in the SB last year if his WR held onto an easy TD and that damn FG kicker.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
again will Palmer be here in two years? probaly not. You are gonna build a team around a guy that may not be here in two years? Where they do that at?
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Yes he will. And you are building a team around an NFL QB, not a person or gimmick.
Where they do that at?” How about NE? Bledsoe out, Brady in.
>> raiders will need a top defense and a run game to support palmer. raiders have neither one. Mcfalldown can’t carry the load.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Yes he will. And you are building a team around an NFL QB, not a person or gimmick.
Where they do that at?” How about NE? Bledsoe out, Brady in.
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lol at the brady comparisons. Smart guy Brady was 23 yrs old when he took over.
Palmer is on a team with that is rebuilding from the ground up. Again this is just MY OPINION.
Only REGGIE knows what he wants to do. I repeat only Reggie / Dennis Allen know.. along with the scouts who have been looking at qb’s
January 16th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
AND if Reggie loves the players he had in green bay or scouted like the players he recently signed.. and the packers he brought in last year..
u best believe if he could get his hands on MATT FLYNN.. he will
January 16th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
You know your theory about MR being all these different people?
Are u noticing anything?
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That’s not a theory. MR admitted to most of his sock puppet army and I’ve called him out using new names with him owning up. ‘The Golden Jew’ comes to mind.
January 16th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
I wish there would have been Charminultrasoft in elementary school, instead of the rolls of toilet paper with splinters in it.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Raheem Morris interveiwing for the Browns DC position in Cleveland….
January 16th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
oklahomaRaider18 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Raheem Morris interveiwing for the Browns DC position in Cleveland….
>> i heard he was interviewing for the Browns job in oakland
January 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Purple drank–lol. I said earlier if he spelled his name teeeo we’d know exactly who he was. We know they both are involved prominently with Internet lies.
However one is 22 and the other at least 42.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Flacco had never won a playoff game. The ravens have.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
DJ Johnny, my latest theory is that MR took an advanced trolling/blog disruption class and returned as Mistic and Dr_Rob, his two opposing anchors. How many incidental handles he’s created to support his contradictory viewpoints, god only knows. Or Becker. Certainly have been a lot of new handles lately.
Explains MR’s disappearance and would satisfy his need for attention, second hand though it may be.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Flacco had never won a playoff game. The ravens have.
>. no the punter won the game dr. know nothing
January 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Teams don’t build with a vet qb in anticipation of a young guy taking over in a couple years?
Montana-young
Bledsoe-Brady
Favre-Rodgers
It goes on and on.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Teams don’t build with a vet qb in anticipation of a young guy taking over in a couple years?
Montana-young
Bledsoe-Brady
Favre-Rodgers
It goes on and on.
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Those vets were there forever not just 1 1/2 years.
Dont even bring up Gannon cuz that team was built to win with plenty of Pros and future hall of famers. Next
January 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
rolls of toilet paper with splinters in it.
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How old are you, Miami? Or where did you go to school?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Purvis–that’s the 2nd time u said that. I am hurt.
Besides, MR is currently ripping as Kell 2.0/Kell-Ivan.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
and Reggie Mckenzie never traded for Palmer.. he was stuck with him.
GMS want their coaches, and the players they pick
January 16th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
and Reggie Mckenzie never traded for Palmer.. he was stuck with him.
GMS want their coaches, and the players they pick
>. this is why I won’t be surprised of RM picks a QB in the FIRST round if he sees one he wants. we all are thinking defense but RM might shock people.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
rolls of toilet paper with splinters in it.
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How old are you, Miami? Or where did you go to school?
>. toilet paper is an important topic for all age groups.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Sorry Doc, we agree on a lot of stuff but you do a lot to keep the issue that Miss Tick raises constantly alive. With MR’s disappearance, I have to speculate. I’ll be doing a face to face with many at a tailgate next year, but that might not be geographically possible for you.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Whoever our QB is next yr. will need receivers who can CATCH THE BALL.
We don’t have that either.
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Interesting stats on recivers in NFL for 2012 (not including playoffs)
RECEIVING: Minimum 50 passes, 86 players ranked by DYAR. DYAR means a wide receiver with most total value.
# 53-Rod Streator
# 63-Darrius Heyward-Bey
# 73-Denarius Moore
…so out of the 86 receivers ranked, our top guy is an undrafted rookie FA AT # 53.
That’s no way to build a high octane offense.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Purvis–that’s the 2nd time u said that. I am hurt.
Besides, MR is currently ripping as Kell 2.0/Kell-Ivan.
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I think it’s Norco Bob playing the role of Kell these days.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
That’s no way to build a high octane offense.
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Especially with a potentially high octane QB. Palmer haters ignore this.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
I want you guys to tell me players who would start for another team and which players won’t?
Here’s my list
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Palmer
Mcfadden
Veld
Wiz
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Houston
Huff
Branch
January 16th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
for atleast 50% of the teams ^^
January 16th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I think it’s Norco Bob playing the role of Kell these days.
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Amy, gambling away in Tahoe? Spending time here?
Probably.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Dinner. Be Back. As if anyone cares! More for you, Dr_Rob.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
You know there are still trolls on this board
here are people i think are legitimate trolls, tell me if you agree or not
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Al_is_the_Raiders
Jokefoshow
M1st1c
Priesttj (not really a troll but due to m1st1cs influence, is being ignorant and really annoying, use to be a good poster)
Kell ( always been a phag)
Dr_thompson
add if you like , debate if you like
January 16th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Hmm, at least 50% of teams.
Veldy
Wiz
Reece (in some role)
McFadden (until week 2 when he’s hurt)
Houston (I guess)
Rolando (just kidding)
Jano
Lechler
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
January 16th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
rediaR Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Hmm, at least 50% of teams.
Veldy
Wiz
Reece (in some role)
McFadden (until week 2 when he’s hurt)
Houston (I guess)
Rolando (just kidding)
Jano
Lechler
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so take out mcfadden for half the year, are you surprised with the record?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Do people not remember Carson dropping a stink bomb at home against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs?
He looked like he wanted to quit at halftime. Had about the same QB rating that Joe Webb just had.
Then has gone 12-28 since then.
He is done.
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Cedric Benson was the team MVP that year. Palmer was along for the ride.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Interesting stats on recivers in NFL for 2012 (not including playoffs)
RECEIVING: Minimum 50 passes, 86 players ranked by DYAR. DYAR means a wide receiver with most total value.
# 53-Rod Streator
# 63-Darrius Heyward-Bey
# 73-Denarius Moore
…so out of the 86 receivers ranked, our top guy is an undrafted rookie FA AT # 53.
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I forgot to reference where I got those stats. It’s Football Ousiders-Innovative statistics. The rankings weren’t based on opinion but on a number of contributing factors including yards after catch, catches per # of targets etc.
Interesting they rank Myers as the # 6 TE in the entire league receiving wise. The stat does not take into account blocking and other TE intangibles.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Klay Thompson = bottom of the barrel NBA starting 2-guard.
He is Detlef Schrempf 2.0. Big, but plays DRASTICALLY smaller, can be an impact guy of the bench, or a crappy starter.
Hopefully we move him to the bench in a year or two and let him compete for the 6th man awards like Schrempf did.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Interesting stats on recivers in NFL for 2012 (not including playoffs)
RECEIVING: Minimum 50 passes, 86 players ranked by DYAR. DYAR means a wide receiver with most total value.
# 53-Rod Streator
# 63-Darrius Heyward-Bey
# 73-Denarius Moore
…so out of the 86 receivers ranked, our top guy is an undrafted rookie FA AT # 53.
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I forgot to reference where I got those stats. It’s Football Ousiders-Innovative statistics. The rankings weren’t based on opinion but on a number of contributing factors including yards after catch, catches per # of targets etc.
Interesting they rank Myers as the # 6 TE in the entire league receiving wise. The stat does not take into account blocking and other TE intangibles.
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Our receivers really do suck, been saying it all year that we need a legitimate #1, Streater would make for a nice # 2 though, that will slide DHB and Moore where they belong in 3/4 spots and ford and Criner fight for last spot, but hopefully we can get another undrafted streater next year for good competetion
January 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Terrelle Pryor, Oakland: A big question mark.
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U is a fool for admitting he aint
it
January 16th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Do people not remember Carson dropping a stink bomb at home against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs?
He looked like he wanted to quit at halftime. Had about the same QB rating that Joe Webb just had.
Then has gone 12-28 since then.
He is done.
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Cedric Benson was the team MVP that year. Palmer was along for the ride.
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I don’t know why am i responding to you, but let me tell you, when you are constantly supporting J Russell and every single black qb that ever lived, than your football points are lost wether they are valid or not, just wanted to point that out
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Interesting stats on recivers in NFL for 2012 (not including playoffs)
RECEIVING: Minimum 50 passes, 86 players ranked by DYAR. DYAR means a wide receiver with most total value.
# 53-Rod Streator
# 63-Darrius Heyward-Bey
# 73-Denarius Moore
…so out of the 86 receivers ranked, our top guy is an undrafted rookie FA AT # 53.
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I forgot to reference where I got those stats. It’s Football Ousiders-Innovative statistics. The rankings weren’t based on opinion but on a number of contributing factors including yards after catch, catches per # of targets etc.
Interesting they rank Myers as the # 6 TE in the entire league receiving wise. The stat does not take into account blocking and other TE intangibles.
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Yeah I was looking at that the other day.
Oddly enough, D.Moore was #53 in 2011. DHB was #40.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
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Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Another guy I like: Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati in Round 3. Very good athlete. Very productive 2012 season for the Bearcats.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
rediaR Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Hmm, at least 50% of teams.
Veldy
Wiz
Reece (in some role)
McFadden (until week 2 when he’s hurt)
Houston (I guess)
Rolando (just kidding)
Jano
Lechler
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so take out mcfadden for half the year, are you surprised with the record?
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No, but I would have had few more players on the list before the season.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Another guy I like: Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati in Round 3. Very good athlete. Very productive 2012 season for the Bearcats.
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Interesting, would he be instantly better than Moore, i know if we draft a secondary player or a MLB , they would def b Better than Gio and our new MLB lol
January 16th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Do people not remember Carson dropping a stink bomb at home against the Jets in the 2010 playoffs?
He looked like he wanted to quit at halftime. Had about the same QB rating that Joe Webb just had.
Then has gone 12-28 since then.
He is done.
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Cedric Benson was the team MVP that year. Palmer was along for the ride.
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So we hold Palmer to his win loss record UNLESS it’s a good one and then conveniently dismiss it as being “along for the ride”.
So it really IS the whole team and not just the QB? I thought the QB was the sole determinant in a teams success or failure.
As long as it’s not a QB you hate, then all bets are off I guess.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
“Believe it or not, Carson Palmer wasn’t Oakland’s problem in 2012.”
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yeah, puddinhead, we know.
January 16th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Myers*
January 16th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
what, no scuttlebutt today?
January 16th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
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So we hold Palmer to his win loss record UNLESS it’s a good one and then conveniently dismiss it as being “along for the ride”.
So it really IS the whole team and not just the QB? I thought the QB was the sole determinant in a teams success or failure.
As long as it’s not a QB you hate, then all bets are off I guess.
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These guys have mother/son relationships when it comes to everything black but like worst enemy kinda thing when it comes to Palmer
January 16th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
DA just said that Pryor will be working on route running in training camp. Pryor could run a deep post. just throw it high
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
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Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
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Uh, this is NOT daylight savings time. This time of year is “Standard Time.”
“Daylight savings” time saves (prolongs) the light, sarting in March some time.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
shutdown Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
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Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
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Uh, this is NOT daylight savings time. This time of year is “Standard Time.”
“Daylight savings” time saves (prolongs) the light, sarting in March some time.
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sorry, meant standard time, i freakin hate it
January 16th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
One thing I agree w/ Debo on is that this org has not put our QB’s in the best position to succeed.
When your TOP WR is an undrafted rookie FA with 19 catches in college and the rest(including Streator) are ranked in the bottom half of the league than you are not giving that QB the weapons he needs.
Not to mention NO RUNNING GAME. Dmac ranks near the bottom at 3.3 ypc.
Forget it’s Palmer for a moment. For the sake of argument let’s say we drafted Geno Smith. You think he would have a chance in hades with a receiving corps ranked in the bottom half league wide? Or…with no running game.
I forgot to mention DMAC ranks near the top in the dubious stat of most drops by a running back too.
That’s gotta get fixed for whoever is our QB going forward.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
shutdown Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
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Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
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Uh, this is NOT daylight savings time. This time of year is “Standard Time.”
“Daylight savings” time saves (prolongs) the light, sarting in March some time.
>> i like to prolong the light, helps me drop a deuce easier. nighttime is for the party daytime is for alone time with the porcelain beauty
January 16th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
it’s only 8:36 but feels like 12, damn hate this day light saving n this time of the year, sun would have been still out right now if it was summer time
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Welcome to the Northern Hemisphere. In Winter. Halfway between the Winter Solstice and Candlemass, a cross quarter day. It’ll make those late sunny warm summer nights all the sweeter.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
One thing I agree w/ Debo on is that this org has not put our QB’s in the best position to succeed.
When your TOP WR is an undrafted rookie FA with 19 catches in college and the rest(including Streator) are ranked in the bottom half of the league than you are not giving that QB the weapons he needs.
Not to mention NO RUNNING GAME. Dmac ranks near the bottom at 3.3 ypc.
Forget it’s Palmer for a moment. For the sake of argument let’s say we drafted Geno Smith. You think he would have a chance in hades with a receiving corps ranked in the bottom half league wide? Or…with no running game.
I forgot to mention DMAC ranks near the top in the dubious stat of most drops by a running back too.
That’s gotta get fixed for whoever is our QB going forward.
>. our best WR might be pretending to be a Qb right now. Denarious Moore was a playmaker last year and made some money catches in primetime. the finger tip catch against the dischargers was a jerry rice moment
January 16th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
rashard mendenhall will likely be a FA. raiders need a bowling ball in the back field not a bowling pin like Mcfingertackled
January 16th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
McFadden20 says:
“Our receivers really do suck, been saying it all year that we need a legitimate #1, Streater would make for a nice # 2 though, that will slide DHB and Moore where they belong in 3/4 spots and ford and Criner fight for last spot, but hopefully we can get another undrafted streater next year for good competetion
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Yes. I agree. a true stud # 1 receiver is something we haven’t had in how long?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Forget it’s Palmer for a moment. For the sake of argument let’s say we drafted Geno Smith.
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Unspoken but assumed, or implied, is your opinion of Pryor. No?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
dwayne bowe and rashard mendenhall are 2 FA targets for the Raiders.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
McFadden20 says:
“Our receivers really do suck, been saying it all year that we need a legitimate #1, Streater would make for a nice # 2 though, that will slide DHB and Moore where they belong in 3/4 spots and ford and Criner fight for last spot, but hopefully we can get another undrafted streater next year for good competetion
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Yes. I agree. a true stud # 1 receiver is something we haven’t had in how long?
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Since Candy Moss, but he didn’t wanted to be here
January 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Yes. I agree. a true stud # 1 receiver is something we haven’t had in how long?
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Gotta go back to the last Superbowl with Brown and Rice. Maybe Gabriel and Curry and… can’t remember his name. Moss, but what good is a ‘true stud # 1 receiver’ that doesn’t care or try?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
>> people say we don’t have a #1 WR. i might disagree. Moore is CLOSE to that. dude had 7 TDs and had a bad year. we all saw what he can do last year. Moore is AT LEAST a #2. Moore is a vertical WR and we need the AD offense back. mike martz would actually get that done. would still like to see OAK go after Bowe or Wallace too though.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
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My Raider realism said, it was due to running game and the play action allowed Moore to do the only thing he’s good at , fly route and he succeeded, but when put in a situation when D’s were ready for pass and he needed to run real routes, he failed miserably
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Forget it’s Palmer for a moment. For the sake of argument let’s say we drafted Geno Smith.
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Unspoken but assumed, or implied, is your opinion of Pryor. No?
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I mention Geno so that others can relate to someone they prize being back there and having the same issues to face as Palmer has.
I don’t know what to make of Pryor. I WISH he was the franchise QB that certain ones are saying he is. I really do.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
>> people say we don’t have a #1 WR. i might disagree. Moore is CLOSE to that. dude had 7 TDs and had a bad year. we all saw what he can do last year. Moore is AT LEAST a #2. Moore is a vertical WR and we need the AD offense back. mike martz would actually get that done. would still like to see OAK go after Bowe or Wallace too though.
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I think it really had to do with the running game, which allowed him to do the only thing he was good at, and gave Campbell some space to throw to in certain windows, the guy can’t do anything other than just go deep, he can still be valuable with that if we can get a real run game
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
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My Raider realism said, it was due to running game and the play action allowed Moore to do the only thing he’s good at , fly route and he succeeded, but when put in a situation when D’s were ready for pass and he needed to run real routes, he failed miserably
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Maybe my koolaid and your realism should get together and have drinks and come up with a workable solution. Lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
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My Raider realism said, it was due to running game and the play action allowed Moore to do the only thing he’s good at , fly route and he succeeded, but when put in a situation when D’s were ready for pass and he needed to run real routes, he failed miserably
>. 51 catches, 741 yds and 7tds. with gregg CRAP calling plays. Moore and Streater have the talent. we have 2 WRS to build around there. Ford should be the full time kick returner. bye bye Drops hella balls
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
You can make a point that Moore can be #2 , i think he belongs with the backups but one thing we can all agree on is that we sorely need a # 1, that #1 will make every’s life easier and put everyone on their right ful place where they belong, I think we should throw the house after D Bowe and take a serious look at Streater if he can hang onto #2 , DHB. MOORE FORD,CRINer and UDFA can fight for rest of the 4 spots,
January 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RaiderTater Says:
daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
mcfadden20. Says:
Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
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I’m sure RaiderTater’s been here before, likely disguised as one of his tots.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
1421,
Yeah Charmin. What happened to DMoore?
My Raider koolaid says it was Knapp and with him gone….maybe good things in 2013?
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My Raider realism said, it was due to running game and the play action allowed Moore to do the only thing he’s good at , fly route and he succeeded, but when put in a situation when D’s were ready for pass and he needed to run real routes, he failed miserably
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Maybe my koolaid and your realism should get together and have drinks and come up with a workable solution. Lol.
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HHAAHAHA yeah that’s a good idea, that way we can def come up with a solution, now only if we had a lot of money to throw after #1 receiver, i doubt we would go with legit #1, maybe the 2nd best or 3rd best, you know what i mean
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
I used to be a huge Mendenhall fan. It might just be the injuries, but he’s slipped off quite a bit. I would rather take my chances with someone else at this point.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RaiderTater Says:
daylite savins started 2 mo ago. U just like to complain?
mcfadden20. Says:
Yeah i like to complain and you just like to troll? another no name guy that i never seen here, butting into my convo
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I’m sure RaiderTater’s been here before, likely disguised as one of his tots.
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LMFAO , you can just tell by the screen names, it’s so obvious and the way they talk , but they are so used to it, since everybody gives them time of the day, they don’t care about what they say or what kinda screen names they come up with
January 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
You can make a point that Moore can be #2 , i think he belongs with the backups but one thing we can all agree on is that we sorely need a # 1, that #1 will make every’s life easier and put everyone on their right ful place where they belong, I think we should throw the house after D Bowe and take a serious look at Streater if he can hang onto #2 , DHB. MOORE FORD,CRINer and UDFA can fight for rest of the 4 spots,
>> one of these fuking guys has to be a #1. i haven’t seen much of streater but he has size. Ford is a kick returner at this point. i remember is break out game against the Queefs though and that was some clutch play there. DHB is gone. Criner? throw some money at Bowe and keep Moore and streater.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
rediaR Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
I used to be a huge Mendenhall fan. It might just be the injuries, but he’s slipped off quite a bit. I would rather take my chances with someone else at this point.
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There are not any good FA available besides Reggie Bush, but he’s 27 and will ask for his last big contract, which we certainly won’t give it to any running back , best bet would be to just roll with Mcfadden or trade mcfadden for a 2nd or 3rd and draft a RB or try our luck with D Bowe
January 16th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
try our luck with Goodson **&((
January 16th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
actually i wouldn’t mind marcel reese as the primary back. dude can carry the rock. forgot all about him. damn.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RaiderDebo Says: Cedric Benson was the team MVP that year. Palmer was along for the ride.
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Kinda like Campbell along for the ride with McFadden in 2011? Although you might want to look at Palmers and Campbells stats before you look even sillier.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
I believe Jennings, Bowe and Wallace are the 3 big name WRs out there. Jennings is a Packer so Reggie might go for him. He always seems to be injured though. Bowe is the best of the three but will probably want the most money and can be a bit of a head case. Wallace is more of the deep threat type. The Steelers tended to count on other players to be the consistent guy.
Not sure if we will get our #1 this year, but hopefully we can make something work. It is certainly one of our biggest needs. We have guys to compete for 2-6 but not one you want as the #1.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
You can make a point that Moore can be #2 , i think he belongs with the backups but one thing we can all agree on is that we sorely need a # 1, that #1 will make every’s life easier and put everyone on their right ful place where they belong, I think we should throw the house after D Bowe and take a serious look at Streater if he can hang onto #2 , DHB. MOORE FORD,CRINer and UDFA can fight for rest of the 4 spots,
>> one of these fuking guys has to be a #1. i haven’t seen much of streater but he has size. Ford is a kick returner at this point. i remember is break out game against the Queefs though and that was some clutch play there. DHB is gone. Criner? throw some money at Bowe and keep Moore and streater.
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DHB is jus what ever, if he wants to restructure then he can fight for 3-6 positions but if he doesn’t than he’s gone, Bowe should be priority #1, Jennings should be # 2 target, but i doubt the guy would want to come here, after the success he enjoyed with gb and all the commercials, i don’t know the #3 ranked WR, maybe Santonio Holmes, but he’s just a better version of D Moore, we need a total beast at #1, i would hate to spend a top 3 pick on O side when we really need help on D, but maybe spending a #3 on a good wide reciever won’t hurt
January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
actually i wouldn’t mind marcel reese as the primary back. dude can carry the rock. forgot all about him. damn.
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that’s not his strength, Randall.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
RaiderDebo Says: Cedric Benson was the team MVP that year. Palmer was along for the ride.
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Kinda like Campbell along for the ride with McFadden in 2011? Although you might want to look at Palmers and Campbells stats before you look even sillier.
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any point you trying to make to these guys will just go to waste, these guys have some kinda serious mental problems, they are hypocrites to the extreme, nothing you say or do will change how these guys talk about football on here, all these guys are so enamored with 1 position n 1 position only and that’s qb, and all these guys prefer it to be a guy who’s skin color is black, not sure what to make of it , def not some one talk worthy or someone you should reply to or put common sense in
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
actually i wouldn’t mind marcel reese as the primary back. dude can carry the rock. forgot all about him. damn.
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that’s not his strength, Randall.
>. 59 carries for 271 yards. 4.6 YPC. also had 52 catches for 496 yards in KNAPPS offense. reese is a playmaker as should be the primary back. he’s a beast can play RB,WR or TE. he’s the best RB on the roster.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
1. (Trade down) Alex Okafor, DE, Texas
2. (Acquired via trade of 1st) Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
3. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincinnati
5. (Trade down from 4th) Tyrann Mathieu, DB, LSU
6. Nigel Malone, CB, Kansas State
6. (Acquired via trade of 4th) Blaize Foltz, G, TCU
7. Nick Florence, QB, Baylor
7. (Via Louis Murphy) Joe Madsen, C, West Virginia
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
McFadden20,
You mean a 3rd rounder on WR right?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
I don’t really think any guy on our roster belongs at 2 spot either , but i’m hoping like hell Streater can take his skills up a notch and take that spot , and never let it go, He’s kinda guy that can go up for most of the balls, wether they are short passes, intermediate passes, in the middle , or whatever, and i have seen the guy run some pretty good routes, if you want to believe DMoore regressed because of Knapp, than how come a rookie had better stats than him, isn’t that rookie suppose to have his growth stunted because of Knapp?
January 16th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
I don’t really think any guy on our roster belongs at 2 spot either , but i’m hoping like hell Streater can take his skills up a notch and take that spot , and never let it go, He’s kinda guy that can go up for most of the balls, wether they are short passes, intermediate passes, in the middle , or whatever, and i have seen the guy run some pretty good routes, if you want to believe DMoore regressed because of Knapp, than how come a rookie had better stats than him, isn’t that rookie suppose to have his growth stunted because of Knapp?
> Moore still had 50 catches and 7 TDS.but we’ll see if streater can bring for 16 games.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
1450,
Chris. Interesting you say Florence from Baylor. That kid broke RG3’s passing yards in a season record last yr.
You never hear his name. I saw a couple games and he was slingin’ it big time.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
McFadden20,
You mean a 3rd rounder on WR right?
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Yeah meant a 3rd rounder, 1st rounder should be on Dline, 3rd rounder should be on linebacker or secondary but if we can find a really good wr that we think can become a #1 than i won’t mind, because we do need a #1 wide receiver just as bad as we need #1 player at other positions
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Marcel Reese is the #1 RB next year. terrell Pryor will challenge Streater and Moore for the #1 WR spot.
January 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Marcel Reese is the #1 RB next year. terrell Pryor will challenge Streater and Moore for the #1 WR spot.
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Well throw in Mcfadden in there too, maybe he can last a whole season at WR?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
all this WR talk make you think. this team has talent on offense. Mcfalldown might be a WR at this point. can’t hack as a RB, we’ve seen him line up in the slot. Reese is a baller and is the most versatile player on the Offense. FB,RB,TE,WR dude could START at any of those positions. take your fuking pick. best resigning RM has done. And terrell Pryor could take a shot at Playing WR. these coaches need to think a little bit. talent is there.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Charminultrasoft,
What do you think about
D Bowe
Streater
Mcfadden
Pryor
DHB
Moore
Criner
Ford
1 another guy
fight for 1 of the 5/6 available Wide Receiver positions? i think that would bring the best outta them and improve our wide receiving group in no time, maybe Pryor might turn out to be really good receiver, Mcfadden has proved that he has legit receiving skills, he would make for a interesting #2/3 guy like 8 of those guys and like 3 other guys fighting for 5 or 6 of the WR spots, would make our receiving corp one of the best in the league , what you think?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Marcel Reese is the #1 RB next year. terrell Pryor will challenge Streater and Moore for the #1 WR spot.
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Well throw in Mcfadden in there too, maybe he can last a whole season at WR?
>> why not try Mcfadden at WR? either that or watch him get hurt again next year. at least split him up between HB/WR. he would be up for that.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
What I don’t understand is that now that Norv, Kromer and Trestman are off the table for OC, why the next choice would be Mornhinweg over Martz. Based on the 2012 season that just passed, Krapp’s offense actually scored more points than Mornhinweg. I thought that’s why we’re replacing the OC in the 1st place: to score more points, specifically TDs. Heck, I’d rather see Mooch take the OC position. I’d rank my choices for OC: 1) Carmichael 2) Pep Hamilton 3) Mooch. Option B would be to let Saunders gameplan, DeFilippo call plays on gameday, and hire a QB coach well versed in fundamental mechanics and footwork to coach TP.
I can’t help but think, if OL coaching candidate Castillo did an “average” job as DC, would he be able to do a “good” or “above average” job as an OC?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
What I really want out of this offseason is a playmaker on defense. Draft, trade, free agency, whatever. Someone who makes the offense respect them consistently.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
all this WR talk make you think. this team has talent on offense. Mcfalldown might be a WR at this point. can’t hack as a RB, we’ve seen him line up in the slot. Reese is a baller and is the most versatile player on the Offense. FB,RB,TE,WR dude could START at any of those positions. take your fuking pick. best resigning RM has done. And terrell Pryor could take a shot at Playing WR. these coaches need to think a little bit. talent is there.
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I think which is why they have not hired an OC yet, they are looking at all the options
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I fear Reggie won’t open the pocketbook for Bowe. I’m thinking there’s gonna be a few teams with more $ that’ll go after him.
I’m not keen on Jennings due to his injuries all the time but Wallace may be a possibility, but even he might demand more than Reggie wants to give up.
It’ll be interesting.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Reese gives them flexibility. If Myers wants a big $$ contract RM can just say Reese can do whatever myers can do. Offense has a lot weapons with the right OC. not far off.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
they cant see past their own agenda
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They can’t see past their own agenda. They can’t see past their own agenda. They can’t see past their own agenda.
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Are you talking about KC or Denver fans? Or are you talking about Raider fans who realize a 40% completion percentage just does not get it down in the National Football League?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
1450,
Chris. Interesting you say Florence from Baylor. That kid broke RG3’s passing yards in a season record last yr.
You never hear his name. I saw a couple games and he was slingin’ it big time.
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Yeah. I like him alot. Tough competitor. Good mobility. Makes some nice throws. Tremendous numbers this year. Smart kid. Not afraid to push it downfield.
A bit undersized at 6-0, 205. But Brees and Wilson are proving you can make it in the NFL at that size.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I don’t think anybody will be asking Pryor to switch positions in the near future. Keep hating keep wishing.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Gil Brandt is high. *No way* Reggie picks Geno Smith. We have so many needs elsewhere and next years QB class will be *so much* better – we roll with Carson and Pryor as backup in 2013 and focus on improving the D and oline in this draft.
Reggie really wants to trade down but there might not be takers because the QB class is so weak. If we have to pick a player – we absolutely draft Star Lotulelei – kid is a frikin *monster* and fixes *so many* problems. He replaces/upgrades Seymour at the 3 technique, can play NT as well, allows us to release Tommy Kelly and his $8 million, allows us to sign and confidently start DezBryant and let him focus on getting to the QB, rotate in Bilukidi and another cheap rookie/FA. D line would be relatively inexpensive but ready to ball out with young, promising players.
Star Lotulelei is really everything we’re lacking on D – run stuffer, demands double teams, improves the pass rush, leader, makes *everyone* around him better *including the offense*, and is be that ’star’ playmaker/perennial probowler we are so lacking on defense.
He might be gone by #3 but if he’s not *take him Reg* and smile yo azz off cuz he would easily be the best 1st round pick we’ve made since Charles Woodson.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
What I don’t understand is that now that Norv, Kromer and Trestman are off the table for OC, why the next choice would be Mornhinweg over Martz. Based on the 2012 season that just passed, Krapp’s offense actually scored more points than Mornhinweg. I thought that’s why we’re replacing the OC in the 1st place: to score more points, specifically TDs. Heck, I’d rather see Mooch take the OC position. I’d rank my choices for OC: 1) Carmichael 2) Pep Hamilton 3) Mooch. Option B would be to let Saunders gameplan, DeFilippo call plays on gameday, and hire a QB coach well versed in fundamental mechanics and footwork to coach TP.
I can’t help but think, if OL coaching candidate Castillo did an “average” job as DC, would he be able to do a “good” or “above average” job as an OC?
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I don’t know where you heard Mornhinweg news from, he has not been mentioned in any of our interviews, i think the guy they will eventually hire is Mularky, or Pete carmichael, depending on his contract with the saints, not sure if he signed back with them or just looking for head coaching jobs, not sure about Martz, the QB coach from jax and any other guy, but we all know tht DA will not freaking let another season on O go just like the last one, the guy we will bring will def make a huge impact on O side, let’s hope it’s Mularkey i think he would do a good job with our O
January 16th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Pryor should be working on the Stop n Go route and deep post routes. want to see Mcfadden as the slot receiver though, situational back at the most. if Myers wants to much $$$ fuk him , put reese at TE he’ll beast let goodson and some other dude carry the rock, if myers stays for cheap put reese as the Primary back. why couldn’t KNAPP see any of this.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
rediaR Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
What I really want out of this offseason is a playmaker on defense. Draft, trade, free agency, whatever. Someone who makes the offense respect them consistently.
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I know but one of the things that’s a bit disappointing is no one in the draft seems to be a true playmaking beast…from what i’m seeing and hearing. Here we are with the # 3 pick too.
Some say Demontre Moore or Mingo from LSU, or Jarvis Jones…or Werner, but then I hear mixed opinions on all of them. Are any of those guys truly dominant game changers? Did we just get bad luck by having the # 3 in an all around weak draft with no true standouts?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Star Lotulelei is really everything we’re lacking on D – run stuffer, demands double teams, improves the pass rush, leader, makes *everyone* around him better *including the offense*, and is be that ’star’ playmaker/perennial probowler we are so lacking on defense.
He might be gone by #3 but if he’s not *take him Reg* and smile yo azz off cuz he would easily be the best 1st round pick we’ve made since Charles Woodson.
>. we all know RM will trade down if possible.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Gil Brandt is high. *No way* Reggie picks Geno Smith. We have so many needs elsewhere and next years QB class will be *so much* better – we roll with Carson and Pryor as backup in 2013 and focus on improving the D and oline in this draft.
Reggie really wants to trade down but there might not be takers because the QB class is so weak. If we have to pick a player – we absolutely draft Star Lotulelei – kid is a frikin *monster* and fixes *so many* problems. He replaces/upgrades Seymour at the 3 technique, can play NT as well, allows us to release Tommy Kelly and his $8 million, allows us to sign and confidently start DezBryant and let him focus on getting to the QB, rotate in Bilukidi and another cheap rookie/FA. D line would be relatively inexpensive but ready to ball out with young, promising players.
Star Lotulelei is really everything we’re lacking on D – run stuffer, demands double teams, improves the pass rush, leader, makes *everyone* around him better *including the offense*, and is be that ’star’ playmaker/perennial probowler we are so lacking on defense.
He might be gone by #3 but if he’s not *take him Reg* and smile yo azz off cuz he would easily be the best 1st round pick we’ve made since Charles Woodson.
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Good points. I’ve got Star as my No. 2 player on the board, behind Joeckel, and those two are probably the only two I’d be content with taking at No. 3.
I really like Okafor though and if we could trade down to mid-round to get him that would be a great value/need pick.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
I’m sorry. I totally forgot about Star L. I guess if there’s one guy who might standout as the beast we want it would be him.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Raiders might draft Johnny Cocaine out of A&M if he come out next year. guys needs a seatbelt.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
I’m sorry. I totally forgot about Star L. I guess if there’s one guy who might standout as the beast we want it would be him.
>> can’t go wrong with a DT. just hope he’s not another buster. lot of DL bust out.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I don’t think anybody will be asking Pryor to switch positions in the near future. Keep hating keep wishing.
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Why would you want a guy that at best completes 40% of his passes? Why would anyone want that?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Another thing about the QB situation: CP3 has put up BIG NUMBERS for the Raiders Thus far: 4000 passing yards in 2012, and SIXTEEN losses out of 24 games started. Basically 2/3 games as a Raider CP3 started are for loss.
Now how important is 4000 passing yards?
On the flip side: TP has “leadership intangibles” (whatever the heck that means according to writers, and other players) and speed. However, TP’s current abilities to PASS THE BALL is about equal to DHB’s ability to SMOOTHLY CATCH THE BALL.(especially on the consistent level) Well, a QB needs to pass the da*m ball consistently.
At this point, we DON’T have a STARTING QB. Period.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
I don’t think anybody will be asking Pryor to switch positions in the near future. Keep hating keep wishing.
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Why would you want a guy that at best completes 40% of his passes? Why would anyone want that?
> Mcfadden is a more accurate passer than Pryor. should start McFadden for 1 game and make a comparison. Pryor isn’t an accurate passer. his college completion % tells it all, especially when he played against good teams. but hey we all think he’s taking the Raiders to the promised land in here. time to wake up nutsack riders
January 16th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Raiders might draft Johnny Cocaine out of A&M if he come out next year. guys needs a seatbelt.
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LOL. I likes me some Johnny Cocaines.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
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I don’t know where you heard Mornhinweg news from, he has not been mentioned in any of our interviews,
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I haven’t seen that on the news either, I’m actually referring to the posters on here who ranked Mornhinweg as their choice over Martz on this posting board. I’m merely asking them what exactly do they see in a guy whose offense scored less than Krapps such that they prefer him over Martz who’s already been gauged by the team.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
actually i wouldn’t mind marcel reese as the primary back. dude can carry the rock. forgot all about him. damn.
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that’s not his strength, Randall.
>. 59 carries for 271 yards. 4.6 YPC. also had 52 catches for 496 yards in KNAPPS offense. reese is a playmaker as should be the primary back. he’s a beast can play RB,WR or TE. he’s the best RB on the roster.
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Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Another thing about the QB situation: CP3 has put up BIG NUMBERS for the Raiders Thus far: 4000 passing yards in 2012, and SIXTEEN losses out of 24 games started. Basically 2/3 games as a Raider CP3 started are for loss.
Now how important is 4000 passing yards?
On the flip side: TP has “leadership intangibles” (whatever the heck that means according to writers, and other players) and speed. However, TP’s current abilities to PASS THE BALL is about equal to DHB’s ability to SMOOTHLY CATCH THE BALL.(especially on the consistent level) Well, a QB needs to pass the da*m ball consistently.
At this point, we DON’T have a STARTING QB. Period.
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To be fair, the Raiders have almost surely had the worst defense in football in the span Palmer has been here and he has yet to play with the McFadden we expect. And where would you rank our receiving corps against the rest of the NFL?
Palmer is not the problem.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
I don’t think anybody will be asking Pryor to switch positions in the near future. Keep hating keep wishing.
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not much hating that I’ve seen. A lot of wishing, tho’.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
actually i wouldn’t mind marcel reese as the primary back. dude can carry the rock. forgot all about him. damn.
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that’s not his strength, Randall.
>. 59 carries for 271 yards. 4.6 YPC. also had 52 catches for 496 yards in KNAPPS offense. reese is a playmaker as should be the primary back. he’s a beast can play RB,WR or TE. he’s the best RB on the roster.
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Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
> actually genius what I wrote shows his versatility. Reese looked REAL as the RB. He is the best RB on the roster.but yes he could star at TE and FB as well IMO. but the point stands, reese is the best running back on the roster.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Pryors fans about week 17;
But he mounted a valiant comeback effort and scored 2 more touchdowns with his leadership, athleticism and will to win, showcasing his courage and competitiveness in an amazing effort that fell just short of the victory he deserved.
Although when Palmer does that he’s padding his stats in garbage time.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Another thing about the QB situation: CP3 has put up BIG NUMBERS for the Raiders Thus far: 4000 passing yards in 2012, and SIXTEEN losses out of 24 games started. Basically 2/3 games as a Raider CP3 started are for loss.
Now how important is 4000 passing yards?
On the flip side: TP has “leadership intangibles” (whatever the heck that means according to writers, and other players) and speed. However, TP’s current abilities to PASS THE BALL is about equal to DHB’s ability to SMOOTHLY CATCH THE BALL.(especially on the consistent level) Well, a QB needs to pass the da*m ball consistently.
At this point, we DON’T have a STARTING QB. Period.
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I hear ya. But we got too many other problems, too few picks and too much committed to Palmer to worry about QB right now. I mean he’s an ‘ok’ QB – if we had a frikin running game and a real #1 WR he would be middle of the pack or maybe better.
No worries, we’ll draft a real franchise QB next year (Johnny Cocaine) and hopefully have a decent Oline to block for him, a running game thats not the joke of the league and some receivers that can get open and frikin catch.
No reason to get another QB until those things are fixed.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Pryors fans about week 17;
But he mounted a valiant comeback effort and scored 2 more touchdowns with his leadership, athleticism and will to win, showcasing his courage and competitiveness in an amazing effort that fell just short of the victory he deserved.
Although when Palmer does that he’s padding his stats in garbage time.
> the white Qbs have dominated in the NFL was so long. lot of black fans want to see black Qbs succeed as they relate to them more. only natural to have a racial bias sometimes. I prefer the pocket passer with a howitzer personally.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Palmer is not the problem.
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Well there is no doubt Carson Palmer is not the problem. In fact with no other person to help. Palmer played good. But some want to put a glorified WR in at QB in the NFL. And roll the dice. That right there is why the Raiders suck.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
> actually genius what I wrote shows his versatility. Reese looked REAL as the RB. He is the best RB on the roster.but yes he could star at TE and FB as well IMO. but the point stands, reese is the best running back on the roster.
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Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I fear Reggie won’t open the pocketbook for Bowe. I’m thinking there’s gonna be a few teams with more $ that’ll go after him.
I’m not keen on Jennings due to his injuries all the time but Wallace may be a possibility, but even he might demand more than Reggie wants to give up.
It’ll be interesting.
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yeah that’s what i fear, I don’t think we will have top 20 salary cap space, we will most likely be again in bottom 10, we can live with same wide receivers for another year, but this WR group won’t take us in playoffs or much far in playoffs if we make it
January 16th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
> actually genius what I wrote shows his versatility. Reese looked REAL as the RB. He is the best RB on the roster.but yes he could star at TE and FB as well IMO. but the point stands, reese is the best running back on the roster.
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Thanks for agreeing and making my point.
>> if you keep repeating “WMDs in Iraq” people will eventually believe it.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Pryor should be working on the Stop n Go route and deep post routes. want to see Mcfadden as the slot receiver though, situational back at the most. if Myers wants to much $$$ fuk him , put reese at TE he’ll beast let goodson and some other dude carry the rock, if myers stays for cheap put reese as the Primary back. why couldn’t KNAPP see any of this.
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Reece at TE? mmm , probably a better pass and run blocker, faster, and better route runner than Myers, good thought though
January 16th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
sorry, meant standard time, i freakin hate it
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must be tough. less time at the playground. homework cuts into skateboard time.
jus hell all round
January 16th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Palmer isn’t THE problem because there are a sh7t load of problems. Don’t let his Red Fox impression during garbage time fool you into thinking he is anything more than duct tape over the problem.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Alright, for the 2011 season, I’ll spot Palmer TWO additional victories because of the inept D: The Detroit game and take your pick between the 2nd Donks game OR the 2nd Bolts game. That would be a 6-3 Record for 2011. For 2012, I’ll spot the Atlanta game. Still that means 11-13 overall for starting 24 games this past two season. Closer to .500, but is that worth the salary cap numbers and the draft picks?
Now having said that, I’m not a fan of putting TP as the starting QB either.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Pryors fans about week 17;
But he mounted a valiant comeback effort and scored 2 more touchdowns with his leadership, athleticism and will to win, showcasing his courage and competitiveness in an amazing effort that fell just short of the victory he deserved.
Although when Palmer does that he’s padding his stats in garbage time.
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LMFAO , Palmer haters got owned right there
January 16th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Palmer is not the problem.
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Well there is no doubt Carson Palmer is not the problem. In fact with no other person to help. Palmer played good. But some want to put a glorified WR in at QB in the NFL. And roll the dice. That right there is why the Raiders suck.
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The Raiders have sucked for years, and you’ve co-signed every move. That don’t make you no genius, pal. Lmao.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
freezetag168 Says:
Another thing about the QB situation: CP3 has put up BIG NUMBERS for the Raiders Thus far: 4000 passing yards in 2012, and SIXTEEN losses out of 24 games started. Basically 2/3 games as a Raider CP3 started are for loss.
Now how important is 4000 passing yards?
On the flip side: TP has “leadership intangibles” (whatever the heck that means according to writers, and other players) and speed. However, TP’s current abilities to PASS THE BALL is about equal to DHB’s ability to SMOOTHLY CATCH THE BALL.(especially on the consistent level) Well, a QB needs to pass the da*m ball consistently.
At this point, we DON’T have a STARTING QB. Period.
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Palmer lost a bunch in 2011 putting up good numbers with a new cast. He also put up more than enough points for the team to win. He did not let the other team score 31, 35, 38 points etc. It wasn’t Palmers fault.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
LMFAO , Palmer haters got owned right there
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Wahooooo, that’s a good one. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
sorry, meant standard time, i freakin hate it
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must be tough. less time at the playground. homework cuts into skateboard time.
jus hell all round
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I wish i was still a kid, those were fun times, growing up is not fun as i thought it would be,
January 16th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Alright, for the 2011 season, I’ll spot Palmer TWO additional victories because of the inept D: The Detroit game and take your pick between the 2nd Donks game OR the 2nd Bolts game. That would be a 6-3 Record for 2011. For 2012, I’ll spot the Atlanta game. Still that means 11-13 overall for starting 24 games this past two season. Closer to .500, but is that worth the salary cap numbers and the draft picks?
Now having said that, I’m not a fan of putting TP as the starting QB either.
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You could have put any guy from NE, or from DEn or Atl , or NYG back there, i think the record still would have been the same
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
LMFAO , Palmer haters got owned right there
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Wahooooo, that’s a good one. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
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Oh wow what a comeback
January 16th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
LMFAO , Palmer haters got owned right there
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Wahooooo, that’s a good one. Yuk, yuk, yuk.
>. you shouldn’t inhale the whole rock in one hit
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Ok Mr Schit-paper.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
> the white Qbs have dominated in the NFL was so long. lot of black fans want to see black Qbs succeed as they relate to them more. only natural to have a racial bias sometimes. I prefer the pocket passer with a howitzer personally.
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There is no difference between black and white athletes. I have competed against both. The difference years ago was if black athletes did not make it, they had problems. White athletes would sell insurance for a living for $ 70 grrrr a year. When crap positions in ALL sports went for millions per, then it was on. I told everyone, you would know I was right when there was a white heavy weight champion in boxing. The Klitcko’s have held the belt for over ten years.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Palmer is better than Jason campbell, if we could go 8-8 with that guy, we can go 10-6 with Palmer if we can have the same legit running game or give him a legit # 1 receiver and improve our Oline
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
>> if you keep repeating “WMDs in Iraq” people will eventually believe it.
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I don’t think Reece is the best running back on the team and I do think he’s too versatile to consider shoehorning him into that role. You kept making my point for me. Don’t run from it. Embrace it.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I fear Reggie won’t open the pocketbook for Bowe. I’m thinking there’s gonna be a few teams with more $ that’ll go after him.
I’m not keen on Jennings due to his injuries all the time but Wallace may be a possibility, but even he might demand more than Reggie wants to give up.
It’ll be interesting.
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We just don’t have the cap room to get Bowe or any top flight FA. I think the problem with this year was DHB (cut hiz azz), bad play calling and really the crap running game just not being there to keep em honest – defenses being able to cheat on every down.
We actually have decent WR’s on the roster now, Streater is for real, if we can get Moore and Jacoby playing to their 2011 level as legit deep threats, and get Criner to be the red zone goto we think he can be, get DMAC even more catches from a spread receiver set and draft one of the more intriguing prospects in the later rounds – like a Chris Harper from KState – I think we’ll be OK at WR for next year anyway.
We need to fix the damn running game! and the WR situation should improve naturally.
Seriously, if we can’t draft Star Lotulelei – we should go with Chance Warmack that beast guard from Alabama and run power left till the cows come home.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Pryor was far from perfect
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you rarely say anything that makes sense, but you nailed this one, puddinhead
January 16th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Palmer is not the problem.
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Well there is no doubt Carson Palmer is not the problem. In fact with no other person to help. Palmer played good. But some want to put a glorified WR in at QB in the NFL. And roll the dice. That right there is why the Raiders suck.
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The Raiders have sucked for years, and you’ve co-signed every move. That don’t make you no genius, pal. Lmao.
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You keep repeating that. And you are wrong. Do you have an original thought? Or are you a monkey?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
The Klitcko’s
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The what?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Just had a meal after dinner with Reggie and Allen at Raider HQ. we ordered pizza delivery and talked about the upcoming season. The I felt a deuce knocking at the back door so Reggie let me use his ultra fantastic toilet facility. You’ve never experienced the pleasure of dropping a deuce till you have off loaded into a golden toilet. His crapper is unbelievable. Fit for royalty.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
I think we can all agree, that FOOl KeLL is an idiot and does not merit any response
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
RaiderTater Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Pryor was far from perfect
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you rarely say anything that makes sense, but you nailed this one, puddinhead
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Knock yourself out Pootbutt.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
I just hope the QB we draft #1 in 2014 is legit.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
>> if you keep repeating “WMDs in Iraq” people will eventually believe it.
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I don’t think Reece is the best running back on the team and I do think he’s too versatile to consider shoehorning him into that role. You kept making my point for me. Don’t run from it. Embrace it.
>> he’s versatile AND is the best Running back on the roster. the guy is talented and can actually stay on the field unlike the other 2 fragile runners. Reese is the man. he’s being wasted as a FB. either start him at RB or try him at TE. he’s built to carry the rock and looked legit doing it.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
The Klitcko’s
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The what?
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Klitshkco’s
January 16th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
I think we can all agree, that FOOl KeLL is an idiot and does not merit any response
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You little pootbutts always think you can control the blog, your opinion is always right. The thing is you little pootbutts are the dumbest ones here. Lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Klitschkos. They have owned the heavy weight division in boxing for well over 10 years. You might have heard of them…
January 16th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Ok Mr Schit-paper.
>> Schit-paper is a lot more useful than you are rock smoker.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
The Raiders have sucked for years, and you’ve co-signed every move. That don’t make you no genius, pal. Lmao.
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Seymour Bush Says:
You keep repeating that. And you are wrong. Do you have an original thought? Or are you a monkey?
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I’ve known a couple monkeys in my time. Seriously. Freindly, curious, good at problem solving. Kell is no monkey.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
.. if we can’t draft Star Lotulelei – we should go with Chance Warmack that beast guard from Alabama and run power left till the cows come home….
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Seriously, he’s the next Larry Allen start him at LG in a power offense and DMAC gets 1500 next year running power left and Palmer is sacked 10-20 fewer times.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Here’s something about DA that I mentioned a long time ago and think it’s worth reviewing: people talk about how DA’s Donk D kept the team in games in spite of Tebow’s “showmanship.”
That said, when it came to higher stakes situation such as the NE playoff game last season, DA’s D could not stop or minimize the gashing Brady put on them. To me that was a red flag. I mean I looked at his coaching tree background, and Payton and Reeves were both HC who took teams to the Super Bowl. I thought, OK he maybe young, but he’ll be an up and coming coach.
The parallels between him and when Shanarat ran this team are uncanny similar. Eager beaver to make drastic changes in the atmosphere and being just too green. Maybe if he does get canned here and take another coordinator job elsewhere, his second go round as an HC may be more successful, but I just don’t see any major shift for the better here.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Ok Mr Schit-paper.
>> Schit-paper is a lot more useful than you are rock smoker.
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You certainly fit the bill. Lol.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Purvis–sorry man. I’m not Sullivan. I’ve ripped that dude forever cuz I love al davis. And as I’ve said, I live in Sunnyvale.
And I’m not the opposite of missdick. I rake him cuz he’s a bigot and ridiculous. But I’m neither racist nor anti-Pryor. I just think he’s hopeless as a passer and I can’t fathom what people saw that suggests he can be an nfl passer. I really like everything else about him.
I’m a huge raider fan. I have made fun of posters such as Sullivan (anti-al), missdick (bigot), fangs (bigot), beech (gay/never talks raiders), etc.
But, as an accused arrogant guy, I want all if my brilliant posts credited to me.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
.. if we can’t draft Star Lotulelei – we should go with Chance Warmack that beast guard from Alabama and run power left till the cows come home….
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Seriously, he’s the next Larry Allen start him at LG in a power offense and DMAC gets 1500 next year running power left and Palmer is sacked 10-20 fewer times.
>. McFingertackle would have to play in at least 12 games to get 1500 yards. not happening, you can get 8 games from McFagile. that might be worth 1000 yards if he’s beastin
January 16th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
I think we can all agree, that FOOl KeLL is an idiot and does not merit any response
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You little pootbutts always think you can control the blog, your opinion is always right. The thing is you little pootbutts are the dumbest ones here. Lol.
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we might not control the blog, but majority of the blog 95% of blogsters can agree you’re an idiot and just live for this kinda stupid drama on this, nothing football related ever comes outta your mouth
January 16th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Purvis–sorry man. I’m not Sullivan. I’ve ripped that dude forever cuz I love al davis. And as I’ve said, I live in Sunnyvale.
And I’m not the opposite of missdick. I rake him cuz he’s a bigot and ridiculous. But I’m neither racist nor anti-Pryor. I just think he’s hopeless as a passer and I can’t fathom what people saw that suggests he can be an nfl passer. I really like everything else about him.
I’m a huge raider fan. I have made fun of posters such as Sullivan (anti-al), missdick (bigot), fangs (bigot), beech (gay/never talks raiders), etc.
But, as an accused arrogant guy, I want all if my brilliant posts credited to me.
>> you sound like that lead skinhead from higher learning.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Palmer is better than Jason campbell, if we could go 8-8 with that guy, we can go 10-6 with Palmer if we can have the same legit running game or give him a legit # 1 receiver and improve our Oline
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We can go 16-0 with anybody if we have the appropriate and bona fide coaching. Lest you forgot we were 4-12. But with Reggie’s new deuce dropping facility, we will get better. Because the better the dump Reggie and Allen can take, the better for the Raiders. Just say no to constipation and toilet plungers.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
You little pootbutts always think you can control the blog, your opinion is always right. The thing is you little pootbutts are the dumbest ones here. Lol.
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Swabbie Kell, the Navy man, gets two pootbutts in with one comment. On the scuttlebutt post!
January 16th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
would like to see RM get over his Green bay nut riding. its a nice franchise but just stop taking their garbage. and NEVER take anything on the defensive side from GB. raiders need to run the AD classic O. power run game, vertical fuking passing. thats it.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
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Seymour Bush Says:
You keep repeating that. And you are wrong. Do you have an original thought? Or are you a monkey?
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Lol. I remember I used to post Al Davis’ stats on a regular basis. You couldn’t stand it. Started cross posting, when you were known as Oakglenn. You told me you cross posted because you couldn’t attack my argument, Remember?
January 16th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
This idea of Reece at Te is not a good one. He’s a HORRENDOUS blocker. And he’s a good runner. He really should be the #1 guy.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
You little pootbutts always think you can control the blog, your opinion is always right. The thing is you little pootbutts are the dumbest ones here. Lol.
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Swabbie Kell, the Navy man, gets two pootbutts in with one comment. On the scuttlebutt post!
>. maybe kel can tell us about his times in the Navy dancing with the marines on board. 1000 men and only 20 women something had to give.
January 16th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
freezetag168 Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Here’s something about DA that I mentioned a long time ago and think it’s worth reviewing: people talk about how DA’s Donk D kept the team in games in spite of Tebow’s “showmanship.”
That said, when it came to higher stakes situation such as the NE playoff game last season, DA’s D could not stop or minimize the gashing Brady put on them. To me that was a red flag. I mean I looked at his coaching tree background, and Payton and Reeves were both HC who took teams to the Super Bowl. I thought, OK he maybe young, but he’ll be an up and coming coach.
The parallels between him and when Shanarat ran this team are uncanny similar. Eager beaver to make drastic changes in the atmosphere and being just too green. Maybe if he does get canned here and take another coordinator job elsewhere, his second go round as an HC may be more successful, but I just don’t see any major shift for the better here.
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too early to tell, hard to judge coaches based on 1 years, especially in years, where they didn’t get much help in FA and in draft due to obvious having the worst salary cap situation in FA and picking his first player in draft at #96 when almost all the teams have already drafted atleast 3 players, and wether Knapp was his first choice or not, but he wasn’t helped by the management when he was hired so late, maybe he could have hired some one better, maybe he could have had a better special teams guy, maybe a better linebacker coach, maybe a better line coach, any 1 of them could have made a huge difference on our team, but it’s your opinion, we don’t all have to agree on it
January 16th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
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we might not control the blog, but majority of the blog 95% of blogsters can agree you’re an idiot and just live for this kinda stupid drama on this, nothing football related ever comes outta your mouth
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You’re delusional Pootbutt.
Gnite Trolls.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Charmin–how exactly do I sound like a freaking skinhead?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
SUp ROB what’s good
January 16th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
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we might not control the blog, but majority of the blog 95% of blogsters can agree you’re an idiot and just live for this kinda stupid drama on this, nothing football related ever comes outta your mouth
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You’re delusional Pootbutt.
Gnite Trolls.
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Thanks for proving my point, good night little drama queen
January 16th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Klitschkos. They have owned the heavy weight division in boxing for well over 10 years. You might have heard of them
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Now you know how big a boxing fan I am.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Gotta clarify something here:
I’m not a football player/coach/ect. I’m merely a fan of the Raiders. So I ask questions to clarify what’s going on. When I ask about the 4000 years passing versus wins and losses, that’s what I’m asking. Like everyone around here, this past 10 years have been disastrous to say the least. As I’ve pointed out numerous times since this season ended, “Hip Hip Hurray” has been the “Peak” of this team so far since the 2002 SB. That’s a sad situation to know that “HHH” was the high point over a span of a decade for a team that built an identity by creating a tradition of excellence.
When I express concerns over the possibility of prior being the starting QB, it’s because I personally thought the TD pass Lechler threw to Boss against Cleveland was smoother than either TD passes thrown by TP against SD, and for me, THAT’S A PROBLEM in the long term.
Does anyone else see that or should I just stick to “Rah Rah Raiders?”
January 16th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Charmin–how exactly do I sound like a freaking skinhead?
>> reading your posts shows how race obsessed you are. go back and read your own shat. Pryor this Pryor that, he’s black. never ends man. i don’t care who believes what but let the black Qb/white Qb argument go. fuking pathetic to read.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Another Oline gem from Div II we should get is Manase Foketi, 6-5 340. Reggie can use one of the comp picks to get this guy in the 5/6th round and our RT problem is solved.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
KoolKell is a big boxing fan, too. Tried some boxing in the Navy, was real good at the bob and weave but never could land a punch.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Charmin–are u black or white or what?
I’m curious about something.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
KoolKell is a big boxing fan, too. Tried some boxing in the Navy, was real good at the bob and weave but never could land a punch.
>. what was Kell bobbing on?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Charmin–are u black or white or what?
I’m curious about something.
> I’m half jewish,half german and half black. I’ve got it all covered, a nazi-gangster-jew
January 16th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
11/28/12 – GENE UPSHAW DIVISION II LINEMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD FINALIST: Manase Foketi (Hesperia, Calif.) has been a dominating left tackle for West Texas A&M, which has reached the NCAA Quarterfinals for the first time in school history. He graded out at 95 percent in all of the team’s games and helped the Buff’s offense gain 345.15 passing yards per game and 485.0 yards per game. That total ranks eighth. He also blocks for Dustin Vaughan, who is a Harlon Hill finalist and ranks seventh nationally in total offense. – Gene Upshaw Award
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Go get him Reg!
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Kaepernick is the perfect qb. Black athleticism and white brains.
Just kidding. I had to say it though. Kinda funny.
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Kinda funny?? You’re not a racist but this is KINDA FUNNY?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Mcf20–what’s up? Just wish we had a 2nd rounder to pick a qb. Starting to think picking one in the first, even though a reach, might be wise, since its rare to pick that high, and we need to develop a guy for two seasons, which matches perfectly with how long we have Palmer. When are we gonna have another shot at picking a top qb?
January 16th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Mcf20–what’s up? Just wish we had a 2nd rounder to pick a qb. Starting to think picking one in the first, even though a reach, might be wise, since its rare to pick that high, and we need to develop a guy for two seasons, which matches perfectly with how long we have Palmer. When are we gonna have another shot at picking a top qb?
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Next year when we suck again and the QBs are better.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
> I’m half jewish,half german and half black. I’ve got it all covered, a nazi-gangster-jew
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At least you’re giving it a 150 percent effort.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
I would like Pryor if i thought he had the howitzer needed. he doesn’t have the arm. we’ll all get to see it. but I prefer the big pocket passer type with a cannon. 6 5″ 240 with good footwork and an arm cannon. thats my preference. this read option is another system and it CAN work but I prefer my QB to be upright and firing lasers from the pocket, helped out with a power run game, vertical WRS and a superhuman OLINE.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
I would like Pryor if i thought he had the howitzer needed. he doesn’t have the arm. we’ll all get to see it. but I prefer the big pocket passer type with a cannon. 6 5″ 240 with good footwork and an arm cannon. thats my preference. this read option is another system and it CAN work but I prefer my QB to be upright and firing lasers from the pocket, helped out with a power run game, vertical WRS and a superhuman OLINE.
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You just described the Ravens offense pretty much.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 12th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Kaepernick is the perfect qb. Black athleticism and white brains.
Just kidding. I had to say it though. Kinda funny.
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Kinda funny?? You’re not a racist but this is KINDA FUNNY?
>. come on seamen don’t pick on him too much.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
rediaR Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
I would like Pryor if i thought he had the howitzer needed. he doesn’t have the arm. we’ll all get to see it. but I prefer the big pocket passer type with a cannon. 6 5″ 240 with good footwork and an arm cannon. thats my preference. this read option is another system and it CAN work but I prefer my QB to be upright and firing lasers from the pocket, helped out with a power run game, vertical WRS and a superhuman OLINE.
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You just described the Ravens offense pretty much.
>. I’m a fan of the old Al Davis type offense. the best Offense by far. big strong armed QB firing darts from the pocket. power run game and vertical WRS. It works and always will.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Charmin–interesting that u think I stir the black/white qb thing. I simply point out what’s obvious: there are several black guys who are obviously anti Palmer and pro Pryor to the point of blind stupidity. I mess with those guys cuz it’s funny to me and I call straight dope no matter what. But as I’ve also said countless times, I detest actual racism and I could not care less about skin color. But obviously the Pryor subject is a hot one here and I think he’s hopeless as a passer. Naturally, according to some, if u think pryor’s no good as a qb, u automatically MUST be racist. Which is racist itself.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
I’m 35. I attended Washington Elementary in San Gabriel and the toilet paper seemed to be as sand paper ish as the paper towels from the metal dispensers. Toilet paper is important. lol
January 16th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Kell–exactly. It IS kinda funny cuz it’s what a lot of classic racists would say. A little complexity or irony in humor is apparently beyond u. That “joke” by me was obviously (to most) an attempt to make fun of racism. I stated it was a joke. U have no sense of humor about things.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Charmin–interesting that u think I stir the black/white qb thing. I simply point out what’s obvious: there are several black guys who are obviously anti Palmer and pro Pryor to the point of blind stupidity. I mess with those guys cuz it’s funny to me and I call straight dope no matter what. But as I’ve also said countless times, I detest actual racism and I could not care less about skin color. But obviously the Pryor subject is a hot one here and I think he’s hopeless as a passer. Naturally, according to some, if u think pryor’s no good as a qb, u automatically MUST be racist. Which is racist itself.
>. I’ve read Mistics posts and that dude is race obsessed to all hell. but a black dude playing WELL as a QB will have a lot of black fans. they will relate to a Black QB more than a white one. I prefer a certain STYLE of QB( big armed pocket passer) i don’t care for all of the running. but some people relate to the skin color more and it its what it is. and that dude mistic will troll you until you lose it. just let it go.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
I thought Kell was leaving, little drama queen can’t get her head right for once
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I have all but eliminated toilet paper from my life. I have a bidet. It is a wonderful thing my azz is clean when I get up. No itchiness. No remnants. No wiping forever. It’s just….beautiful.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
charminultrasoft Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Charmin–interesting that u think I stir the black/white qb thing. I simply point out what’s obvious: there are several black guys who are obviously anti Palmer and pro Pryor to the point of blind stupidity. I mess with those guys cuz it’s funny to me and I call straight dope no matter what. But as I’ve also said countless times, I detest actual racism and I could not care less about skin color. But obviously the Pryor subject is a hot one here and I think he’s hopeless as a passer. Naturally, according to some, if u think pryor’s no good as a qb, u automatically MUST be racist. Which is racist itself.
>. I’ve read Mistics posts and that dude is race obsessed to all hell. but a black dude playing WELL as a QB will have a lot of black fans. they will relate to a Black QB more than a white one. I prefer a certain STYLE of QB( big armed pocket passer) i don’t care for all of the running. but some people relate to the skin color more and it its what it is. and that dude mistic will troll you until you lose it. just let it go.
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It’s ok to relate, it’s all understandable, I’m indian and if an indian qb came about, i would feel like coaches are being biased, fans are not supportive of another qb because he’s not a white guy, which has ruled the qb position for so long, but i won’t blindly put him into HOF and say this guy has this stuff about him which is wave of future and etc etc, like these guys are doing every single day, asking for Pryor to start is all understandable , n pretty much most of nation would love to see him succeed, since he only costs about 2 M compared to over 10 for Palmer and his legs will help out a lot, but he’s far from the truth , which is what m1st1c has problem with, he just wants us to go with and say Palmer s8cks and Pryor is going to change the way qb position is played, which is why every body hates him, i mean the guy is really smart and a lot of football knowledge, when he’s not looking at things with bias and stuff, he just needs to get out of his wave of future stuff , he can be a valuable contributor to this blog, if he can do that
January 16th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I have all but eliminated toilet paper from my life. I have a bidet. It is a wonderful thing my azz is clean when I get up. No itchiness. No remnants. No wiping forever. It’s just….beautiful.
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That is so fckn awesome. My deuces are so hard bodied when they splash down that I have eliminated the need for toilet paper too. Plop plop.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
To me, identifying urself by skin color is actually stupid. It means nothing. At its root, it’s exactly what the nazis did. Think that their “ancestry” meant something. It doesn’t. If the next 20 Super Bowls are win by black qb’s it won’t mean anything to black people’s lives. Black people are not an actual group. It’s our nature to put things into groups, but it doesn’t mean anything. I have nothing to do with almost any other white person except those close to me. I couldn’t care less what some white person in Florida thinks or does bit has nothing to with me. Who gives a sh1t? He doesn’t speak for me. I don’t want to be grouped in with him. And black people (or anyone else) should realize they’re on their own. Just live ur life, deal with the bullsh1t, know who ur friends are, and don’t make artificial divisions that aren’t actually real.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Oline is the problem!
Briseil – trade/release/run out of town (hate that mfker) Reggie should apologize publicly for that signing.
Carlisle – retire
Barnes – sign *only* as a LT/RT backup @vet min.
Alex Parsons – cut
Willie Smith – cut
2013 priorities – RT and LG. Bergstrom in at RG now and should be solid in a power scheme. We need to draft a legit RT and a get a road grader at LG.
DMAC is our starter next year like it or not. We should however def shop for a big back to spell DMAC instead of Goodson – Peyton Hillis comes to mind as a good choice. Stewart is a decent 3rd. Still pissed about that Goody trade btw – Bruce Campbell could have been the answer at LG or RG had we not gone to ZBS – he’s a beast and now getting starts in Carolina. Also, cutting Barkesdale was just frikin stupid.
Fixing the Oline and running game should be job #1!! Even more important than the defense. With a strong oline and running game we can compete in the division even with a less than avg defense – 1st downs and time of possessions can cover up a weak defense.
We have 6 picks and 2 more coming as comps. Probably should draft 2 offensive lineman and sign 2-3 others as UFA. And go back to the power game already! Let Saunders take over and lets get back to running downhill.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Each poo has its distinctive odor. I name the odors after each season. Like 2002. Schiit was sweet but stunk like hell in the end. Still haven’t been able to flush that turd.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
To me, identifying urself by skin color is actually stupid. It means nothing. At its root, it’s exactly what the nazis did. Think that their “ancestry” meant something. It doesn’t. If the next 20 Super Bowls are win by black qb’s it won’t mean anything to black people’s lives. Black people are not an actual group. It’s our nature to put things into groups, but it doesn’t mean anything. I have nothing to do with almost any other white person except those close to me. I couldn’t care less what some white person in Florida thinks or does bit has nothing to with me. Who gives a sh1t? He doesn’t speak for me. I don’t want to be grouped in with him. And black people (or anyone else) should realize they’re on their own. Just live ur life, deal with the bullsh1t, know who ur friends are, and don’t make artificial divisions that aren’t actually real.
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Wow. You so Bob Dylanish. He could cut a mean deuce fo sho.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Mcf20–what’s up? Just wish we had a 2nd rounder to pick a qb. Starting to think picking one in the first, even though a reach, might be wise, since its rare to pick that high, and we need to develop a guy for two seasons, which matches perfectly with how long we have Palmer. When are we gonna have another shot at picking a top qb?
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yeah that would have been an ideal place to pick up a QB to groom behind Palmer and fight it out with Pryor, but the world is not perfect, especially when it comes to Raider Nation, it seems like we’re paying for something, these guys want to see 8-8 and better competing against 31 other teams, who’s GM’s were afforded better salary cap situations, better draft situation and better player situation, and so many other stuff, i believe DA got what it takes, many guys are turned off because he let Knapp do what ever he wanted to do with the O, but i feel like since DA realized we were probably not going to make the playoffs anyways and he wasn’t going to bring back Knapp, so he focused his attention elsewhere, like benching Mcclain,(the back up performed better) cutting bartell, Adams and Ross stood out, the D performed better in last 5-6 games regardless of the competition, and once the season was over, he got rid of all the weaknesses, Special teams ( was the worst in the league) O (bottom 5 in league0 Ol was really bad, Linebackers were bad, he kept Jt because he saw something in him, obviously in this time of life, nobody is patient anymore, everybody wants to see results over night, if B Walsh Chuck Noll, Belichick , and other HOF coaches who failed in their first years or first couple or 3 years in this 21st century, they would have never gotten a chance to prove themselves, and would have probably ended up being nobodies, such is the nature of everything in this world, no patience, results overnight, wether you got all the resources to work with or not, everything is your fault
January 16th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Cornfucious say man who do do everyday is regular Joe but man who do do twice a day is two timing ass hole.
January 16th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
QB situation for 2013 – we are stuck with Palmer. Pryor is a ‘decent enough’ backup and could legitimately help in the red zone using zone read plays which he does quite well.
Never want to see Leinert in the uniform again! Bring in a decent vet like Tarvaris Jackson or Bruce Gradkowski they are FA’s this year. Bring in competitors and good guys to have around in the QB meeting rooms and locker room too push Palmer and Pryor. If TP can’t beat them out in camp put him back to #3 – nobody gets a scholarship!!
January 16th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 16th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Kell–exactly. It IS kinda funny cuz it’s what a lot of classic racists would say. A little complexity or irony in humor is apparently beyond u. That “joke” by me was obviously (to most) an attempt to make fun of racism. I stated it was a joke. U have no sense of humor about things.
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Being a racist mthrfker is bad enough. Saying I, or anyone should consider it funny makes you a POS mthrfker. Saying it’s a joke makes you an ignorant POS mthrfker. Saying it’s obviously an attempt to make fun of racism, makes you a lying ignorant POS mthrfker. Adding to it that it’s “actually kind of funny” proves that you’re not just a lying ignorant POS mthrfker, but that you are a lying ignorant POS mthrfking RACIST SCUM.
Dozens of times you’ve kept racist exchanges going by bringing up same comments over and over, saying “I’m only doing it because I’m against it” where in fact you’ve just proven you’re not only NOT against it, but in fact enjoy it, encourage it, and are behind it 100%.
You have a new name here.
Forever more your name shall be SKINHEAD.
Skinhead biches end up in ditches.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Mcf20–u make an interesting point regarding an Indian qb. Obviously it would be intriguing to u mainly cuz he would make u feel like a guy who’s kinda like u is a qb. So on the surface it would be understandable to root for him. But in reality, he would have nothing to u. Just a basic few similarities of skin, country of origin, etc. I imagine u don’t have a particular fondness for the billion or so Indians of the world in everyday life. In fact, I bet u can’t stand a lot of the ones u know. U think they’re azzholes or whatever.
January 17th, 2013 at 12:02 am
Hey skinhead? You have your goose-steppers?
January 17th, 2013 at 12:08 am
I can understand where M1st1c and Priesttj and others are coming from , Hue Jackson was fired after 8-8 season, but DA is kept after 4-12, so they feel like it has to do with the skin color, how come the other guy was given only a year, Campbell who went 8-8 was let go for a guy who they believe is a TO machine and is paid so much money, and they believed fans didn’t like Campbell but seem to like Palmer and cover up his plays, Pryor has not been given chance, while another guy who has been a bust was # 2 ahead of him , etc, etc ,etc, J Russell wasn’t given a fair chance, and think people want to categorize him with being black and want to call him lazy and just a check casher, n believes if it was RUsseLL was white, then majority of fans would have said he wasn’t given a fair chance, etc, etc, and other examples, like NFL fans don’t want black qb’s etc , etc , etc , I really don’t know what to say to make them feel like it’s not like that when it comes to Raiders, if people in here were racists, i think they would have picked another team to root for , not the team of a guy who was the first to sign black qbs, first to draft black qb,s first to put a hire a hispanic coach, first to hire a lady at ceo position in football, and Mark is about to end another trend, he’s in talks with senior NFL advisor, to join the senior ranks of Raiders, which would also be the first time ever in NFL, i don’t think a racist would want to relate with a team that has broken many color barriers, that has never cared about what color or background a player , coach, manager, ceo came from as long they produced and as long as they ran fastest 40 time lol , it really gets to me when fans of rAIDERS accuse other Raiders fans of being racists, knowing that the Raider nation is really diverse, and it has fans from all over the world, including me (Indian) asian…i hope people would stop judging things by the color of people’s skins
January 17th, 2013 at 12:16 am
dr_robert Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Mcf20–u make an interesting point regarding an Indian qb. Obviously it would be intriguing to u mainly cuz he would make u feel like a guy who’s kinda like u is a qb. So on the surface it would be understandable to root for him. But in reality, he would have nothing to u. Just a basic few similarities of skin, country of origin, etc. I imagine u don’t have a particular fondness for the billion or so Indians of the world in everyday life. In fact, I bet u can’t stand a lot of the ones u know. U think they’re azzholes or whatever.
– Obviously, nobody gives a f8ck about anybody, in this age of time even your brother/sisters don’t give sh1t about you, it’s all about me/me/me. I know some people have some stereo types installed in them by media, their friends , etc ,etc, n they’re not really trying to be bad, but everybody in this world should try to judge people independently and not by their skin color, your best friend could be from some race you always hated, your worst enemy could be your own skin color guy, everything is BS, the world need to educated themselves, need to spend more time with other races, learn intriguing things, help the fallen people, n just make somebodies day one way or another, let’s be honest , this social profiling, and all this other bs has gotten people no where, this wars and sh1t, is only making the world a bad place, if people got along, then everybody could sell something the other person might be interested in and everybody would make profit and everybody could live a happy life, instead of being worried about life 24/7
January 17th, 2013 at 12:18 am
I’m out, you guys have a good night, peace
January 17th, 2013 at 12:19 am
n sorry if something might have offended someone, don’t really meant to offend anyone, just here for football takes and love the whole Raider nation, the other BS in life is enough of a distraction , we don’t need to divide sports by colors, positions by colors, fans by colors, etc, etc, nite
January 17th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Al davis was a pioneer. hired youngest HC EVER at the time, first hispanic QB and hispanic HC, first Black HC. first woman CEO in the NFL. and of course AD had the best toilet paper in the nfl he always made sure his people had clean asses
January 17th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Espn saying that Pryor could be traded to Philly. if they can get a 2nd round pick DO IT! need some picks to rebuild the D badly. trade down trade Pryor and McFragile and the Raiders could end up with a late first, 2 second round picks, 3 thirds. that would be smart.
January 17th, 2013 at 1:49 am
Man, in a way I’d say trade Pryor in an instant for a decent draft pick. But that’s a qb. But I’m not sure at all about letting a freakish athlete like that go cuz he could amaze as a wr.
January 17th, 2013 at 2:08 am
I had something come up and I wasn’t able to finish my point really, which is its a fallacy to align urself with others due to skin color. It’s a natural inclination to be drawn to others that u consider like u. I was rooting for Scott dreisbach a few years back cuz he graduated from my high school. But in reality, who knows if he was anything like me, or if would have liked him if I knew him. And if he did succeed, it wouldn’t have meant somehow I succeeded with him.
There are many types of black people. Whites. Latinos. Etc. all of us know people of “our color” that we don’t like at all and would never want to be in a group with. I wouldn’t ever wanna be included in a group that also had fangs in it.
Al davis didn’t care about it. That’s what made him cool. All he cared about were results. And that’s all I care about.
That’s the difference between me and people like missdick.
January 17th, 2013 at 2:15 am
Kell–ur spouting more racist sh1t than I ever did. No matter what I say and how many times I say it, u have decided I’m racist. That’s the definition of prejudice and it’s why so many racists stopped black qb’s in the past from having a chance. They made up their mind. They were blind with ignorance. And ur response is to in turn, embrace that same ignorant way of thinking and u think ur reversing things. ur just repeating them.
Saying kaepernick has black athleticism and white brains would be heinous if said with hate and seriousness. But when said as an obvious spoof of racism, it’s kinda funny. U have to be able to laugh at he devil. It takes away his power.
Is saying “white men can’t jump” racist. Yes. Is it funny? Yes. Unless it was said seriously by someone who hated white people. Then it would be sick. It’s all CONTEXT. That’s what comedy is.
January 17th, 2013 at 2:25 am
Dr Bob thinks Kell is racist
Kell thinks Dr Bob is racist
oddly enough, I think they are both right!!
January 17th, 2013 at 2:28 am
Good to see things haven’t changed since I last checked in.
Keep up the good work, gentlemen!
January 17th, 2013 at 2:30 am
Espn saying that Pryor could be traded to Philly.
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Really?
gotta link?
so Chip Kelly wants TP, eh?
Chip was the most sought after HC candidate this offseason. Dennis Allen was only wanted by one man for HC … the gut!
so Mr Popular thinks Pryor is a useful weapon and Mr Nobody thinks he needs another year before he’s ready to handle a #2 QB gig, lol
who are you tempted to side with? the guy who just drove your team off a cliff (4-12) ??
January 17th, 2013 at 2:31 am
sup tiger?
who do you want at #3 overall?
January 17th, 2013 at 2:36 am
QB situation for 2013 – we are stuck with Palmer.
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CDE,
that depends on what you mean by “stuck with”. Raider fans stuck with him because he is the QB of choice by Mark, Reggie & Dennis?
or stuck with him as in, he has no trade value (with his current salary) and there aren’t any better options in the draft or free agency ??
January 17th, 2013 at 2:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 2:36 am
QB situation for 2013 – we are stuck with Palmer.
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CDE,
that depends on what you mean by “stuck with”. Raider fans stuck with him because he is the QB of choice by Mark, Reggie & Dennis?
or stuck with him as in, he has no trade value (with his current salary) and there aren’t any better options in the draft or free agency ??
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Both.
January 17th, 2013 at 2:43 am
Briseil – trade/release/run out of town. Reggie should apologize publicly for that signing.
Carlisle – retire
Barnes – sign *only* as a LT/RT backup @vet min.
Alex Parsons – cut
Willie Smith – cut
2013 priorities – RT and LG. Bergstrom in at RG now and should be solid in a power scheme. We need to draft a legit RT and a get a road grader at LG.
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CDE,
excellent post. cosign everything
However – you’re the first blogger I’ve seen complain about getting rid of Campbell & Barksdale. those guys are turds!
January 17th, 2013 at 2:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 2:30 am
Espn saying that Pryor could be traded to Philly.
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Really?
gotta link?
so Chip Kelly wants TP, eh?
Chip was the most sought after HC candidate this offseason. Dennis Allen was only wanted by one man for HC … the gut!
so Mr Popular thinks Pryor is a useful weapon and Mr Nobody thinks he needs another year before he’s ready to handle a #2 QB gig, lol
who are you tempted to side with? the guy who just drove your team off a cliff (4-12) ??
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The conspiracy theorist in me then batters around the idea that the reason Chip said no to the first round of offers was he was trying to work a backdoor deal to come to Oakland, after a late firing of DA, in order to have the QB he wanted and was so close to having a few years back. How crazy would that have been?
January 17th, 2013 at 2:53 am
Redia,
Carson Palmer isn’t an elite QB. he’s not a franchise guy
those types of QB’s make everyone around them better. Over the years, you hear of the best QB’s in the league losing key players at RB, WR, TE, OL or perhaps their OC leaves for a HC gig … maybe their QB Coach leaves town for a OC gig
yet they continue to produce, year in & year out
Everybody in here keeps making excuses for Carson Palmer. his last two FULL years as starter, he finished 4-12 (2010 & 2012). he had more interceptions and fewer wins than JaMarcus Russell in the same number of starts. he’s a 10-year pro, not a rookie or 1st year player
I see Palmer as nothing more than a stopgap vet QB until we can draft a franchise guy or develop Pryor. Kind of what we thought McCown & Culpepper were going to be for JaWalrus. If Reggie has the opportunity to trade Palmer for pick(s) and sign a different vet QB to compete with Pryor for much less $$$ , he should jump at the chance imo
January 17th, 2013 at 2:56 am
How crazy would that have been?
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crazy or exciting?
I don’t think Allen & Tarver have many Raider fans thinking “playoffs” next year, at this point
January 17th, 2013 at 3:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2013 at 2:53 am
Redia,
Carson Palmer isn’t an elite QB. he’s not a franchise guy
those types of QB’s make everyone around them better. Over the years, you hear of the best QB’s in the league losing key players at RB, WR, TE, OL or perhaps their OC leaves for a HC gig … maybe their QB Coach leaves town for a OC gig
yet they continue to produce, year in & year out
Everybody in here keeps making excuses for Carson Palmer. his last two FULL years as starter, he finished 4-12 (2010 & 2012). he had more interceptions and fewer wins than JaMarcus Russell in the same number of starts. he’s a 10-year pro, not a rookie or 1st year player
I see Palmer as nothing more than a stopgap vet QB until we can draft a franchise guy or develop Pryor. Kind of what we thought McCown & Culpepper were going to be for JaWalrus. If Reggie has the opportunity to trade Palmer for pick(s) and sign a different vet QB to compete with Pryor for much less $$$ , he should jump at the chance imo
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I don’t know if it is possible for me to agree with that post more.
January 17th, 2013 at 3:09 am
Palmer didn’t “finish 4-12″. The raiders did.
And there is no report of chip kelly wanting Pryor. It was conjecture. He recruited him. End of story. It’s an espn blog writer imagining it could potentially be on Kelly’s mind.
So stop with this fantasy that “the genius” chip kelly thinks Pryor is awesome while the lowly DA thinks he’s a backup. There isn’t a chance that kelly wants Pryor as his starter. Could he want him as a development guy? Maybe. But I doubt if chip kelly knows what he’s doing (he does) that he would look at Pryor in the nfl the same way he looked at him when he was 18.
January 17th, 2013 at 3:11 am
It all comes down to one thing with Pryor vwstch him throw. Does he look like an nfl qb?
January 17th, 2013 at 3:11 am
Watch
January 17th, 2013 at 3:14 am
While Palmer didn’t win or lose any games, what he did do was somehow manage to throw for 4k yards and 22 Tds (only 14 ints) in 14 games with arguably the worst receivers in the nfl.
And some guys think he sucks and should be replaced by a guy threw for 47% and a 70.8 rating.
It’s like a nuthouse in here.
January 17th, 2013