Raiders move even closer to rounding out coaching staff
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, January 19th, 2013 at 5:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders hired long-time NFL coach Bobby April to fill their vacancy at special teams coordinator.
April spent the past three seasons as the Philadelphia Eagles special teams coordinator. Overall, he has coached 21 years in the NFL, mostly special teams, and 13 in the collegiate ranks.
Twice, April was named special teams coach of the year, both times when he was with the Buffalo Bills.
Coach Dennis Allen fired Steve Hoffman last season to coach special teams. Hoffman was one of four coaches fired by Allen after the 2012 season.
On Friday, the Raiders filled the first of those four vacancies by hiring Greg Olson to be their offensive coordinator. Allen still needs to add an offensive line and linebackers coach.
The Raiders confirmed the hiring of Olson on Saturday afternoon. They also said that the coaching staff is on its to Mobile, Ala., to commence preparation for coaching in the Senior Bowl.
Olson and April likely will be join the staff in Alabama at some point, if not from the outset.
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January 19th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
lol….week 4 oh sh!t…week 4…bwahahahahaha…
January 19th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Arena Of Truth Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
The Raiders interviewed Trestman and hired Olson. Why? Because they both were OC’s under Gruden, and he will return to the Raiders within the next two years. Book it.
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Gruden’s not coming back, and nobody wants to see his overrated 57-55 @ss here anyway.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Veldy-Warmack-Wiz-Bergs/Breis/FA-Long
That is a potentially top 5 line for years to come.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
gruden gruden gruden!!! get rid of DA now!!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Awesome hire of April. The guy has never had a ‘bad’ spec teams unit. Hopefully he can find someone on this roster that can return a punt more than 6 feet. Now they just need to rehire Wylie for the Oline
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I got one word for you Gruden guys…
Delusional
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
raiders.com bio on olson reads like they tried to prove he is the anti-knapp…lol. eff the zbs quack!
January 19th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Bcz24 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I got one word for you Gruden guys…
Delusional
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You are being too nice.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
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He misunderstood the Rooney Rule. He thought he had to interview with us because black is one of the team colors.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Bcz24 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I got one word for you Gruden guys…
Delusional
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Here’s four more to describe them: Living in the past
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Solid hire. Now we have a somewhat complete staff for the Senior bowl we’ll probably pick up a LB coach and Oline coach after the game.
Hopefully DA can learn something in the whole SB experience. Reggie and his staff in full-press mode. There’s always alot of gems that show up in these games, many of them middle rounders that go on to be solid NFL starters if not stars.
This is where Reggie hunts.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Hopefully he can find someone on this roster that can return a punt more than 6 feet
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If he can’t, I might just give up on this whole thing.
I never seen a team fail at one aspect of the game so miserably as we have on the punt returns.
We LITERALLY would have been better off the last 3 years, bringing back Tim Brown just to fair catch every punt.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
J Hill, I dont know why ESPN is making such a big deal out of this story you would think Te’o killed somebody or something, if there were no laws broken whats the big deal? He’s a dumbass, ok moving on….
January 19th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RediaR Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
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He misunderstood the Rooney Rule. He thought he had to interview with us because black is one of the team colors.
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He interviewed here because he was bound and determined to escape the CFL for the NFL this year, and was willing to take a demotion to OC if necessary to do that.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Don’t think Olsen will be running the offense in Mobile.
Sounds like a gig for Saunders.
Get our monies worth out of our consultant.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
raiders.com bio on olson reads like they tried to prove he is the anti-knapp…lol. eff the zbs quack!
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The team’s made its choice. Now I just hope they hire the best angle-blocking o-line coach they can find. Reggie could a LOT worse than bringing back Bob Wylie…
January 19th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Bobby April is known in NFL circles as a special teams guru. Like the hire.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
All that is left is O-line and linebackers coaches, right?
January 19th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
It was a media story to begin with, with Te’O, now it is a media hoax story.
And it is a national story. Hannity and Greta were using as their leads, the local news out here has it as a top story.
It’s what everyone is talking about.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
All that is left is O-line and linebackers coaches, right?
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Plus any positional assistants (like assistant linebackers coach or something).
January 19th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Draft the Honey Badger!!!!
His return game prowess, will give us an extra point or two a game on average.
NO BS
January 19th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Rob Ryan left St. Louis without a contract offer — doesn’t mean he won’t get job there, though.
Miss his wild arse hair and scruffy goatee. Bring him back to coach LBs!
January 19th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
J Hill, I dont know why ESPN is making such a big deal out of this story you would think Te’o killed somebody or something, if there were no laws broken whats the big deal? He’s a dumbass, ok moving on….
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Illegal? No. Scumbaggy, idiotic and unique? Yes.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
ESPN and other media outlets are trying to gain some of their cred back after being duped and playing up Te’O’s girlfriend’s tragic story.
The media played it up big. Now that is it uncovered a hoax, the media feels obliged to cover the hoax to death to get some of its rep back for getting duped in the first place.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Palmer’s cap hit is not 17 mil.
It’s 4+ mil and accelerators if cut.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
It looks like DA is hiring a good staff now that he is on equal ground and isn’t left picking the left-overs as he was forced to do last year.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
raiders.com bio on olson reads like they tried to prove he is the anti-knapp…lol. eff the zbs quack!
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from the bio..
The common themes of his offense, which now will put Darren McFadden in a downhill, power scheme, have included..
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Wow, there ya have it. Power Scheme is back on. Thank God!
* DMAC thinking big contract year.
* Palmer breathing a sigh of relief.
* Oline happy to be able to fire off the ball again instead of having to go sideways.
* That is except for Briseil, he just took his house in Houston off the market.
Maybe we can get a 4th rounder for Briseil?
January 19th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
It’s what everyone is talking about.
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Where?
Only time I see or hear anything about it is on ESPN or espy.com.
No one is talking about this dumb phucc in the real world, bruh.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
I wonder if Wiz76 is ready to be a fulltime OL coach?
Prob not. Not enough XP.
Evenin NATION!
January 19th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Corkran… you better look this piece over again, I think you hit enter a bit too quick =)
January 19th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Raider E
Indeed.
His base salary is the whopper at $13 million.
If axed, Raiders on hook for bonus money.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Olson was a good hire? Ill take the wait and see approach, his resume doesnt jump out at you but at least he runs PBS.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Don’t think Olsen will be running the offense in Mobile.
Sounds like a gig for Saunders.
Get our monies worth out of our consultant.
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Olson will run the offense. Saunders will be working with individual players and giving Reggie invaluable player evaluations. Expect one or more late round/UFA offensive gems at TE or OL to come out of it.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
J Hill,it’s the National Enquiry mentality of the country-especially the media.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
No one is talking about this dumb phucc in the real world, bruh.
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All the political talk shows WERE LEADING WITH IT THIS WEEK.
Things like Good Morning America, the Today show, your local news.
It’s everywhere man!!! You will probably hear them talk about it on Meet the Press tomorrow.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Hopefully April can find us a legit punt returner in the Senior Bowl and clean up our return and coverage games, both horrendous in 2012.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
So who will be the Louis Murphy Memorial Mid/Late round rookie or UFA WR to lead the WR corps this year?
January 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
April will also have some work to do with Marquette King if Shane Lechler is indeed done in Oakland.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
If anyone’s interested, I’m currently arguing with Mike Silver on Twitter. Silver claims Hue’s being blackballed, and I’m trying to get Silver to own up to his own role in this.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
People blaming the media for getting duped.
You know who the real culprits are?
The interns!!! If you know anything about the national media talking heads and the front men of these stations, they don’t do ANY RESEARCH it is their staffs and interns.
What a bunch of lazy-azzes, the plight of our nation in full context.
My cousin told me Vin Scully hasn’t spoke to a Dodger player in 10 years. His staff does it all for him, writes in on index cards.
Then come game time you hear about Olmeda Saez and is 10,000 cattle in Venezuela, lol.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
If anyone’s interested, I’m currently arguing with Mike Silver on Twitter. Silver claims Hue’s being blackballed, and I’m trying to get Silver to own up to his own role in this.
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*grabs popcorn*
January 19th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
In 2010, under Jackson’s guidance, the Raiders offense finished fourth in the AFC and sixth in the NFL in scoring (25.6 points per game) also finished fifth in the AFC and 10th in the NFL in total offense (354.6 yards per game) and second in the NFL and AFC in rushing (155.9 yards per game). The Raiders more than doubled their scoring output from the previous year, totaling 410 points. Under Jackson’s offense, RB Darren McFadden finished the season with 1,157 yards rushing on 223 carries for a 5.2 average YPC and 7 rushing touchdowns. McFadden also had 47 receptions for 507 yards and 3 touchdowns. His total numbers were 1,664 total yards and 10 total touchdowns for the 2010 NFL season. Making McFadden the NFL’s 5th leader in total yards from scrimmage for the 2010 season.
After the 2010 season Hue Jackson was named Oakland Raiders head coach in 2011, succeeding Tom Cable.[3
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Veldheer was selected by the Oakland Raiders in the third round (69th overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft.
both started with the raiders in 2010
January 19th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Just Fire Baby
Indeed.
First thing you’re taught in journalism classes — fact checking.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Speaking of Knapp, he was hired to coach the Denver Broncos quarterbacks on Friday. More specifically, Knapp was hired to work with Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
January 19th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Just Fire Baby
Indeed.
First thing you’re taught in journalism classes — fact checking.
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Technically the first thing is grammar and paragraph structure but fact checking is up there.
January 19th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Nobody ever asked Te’O for a picture of the two for the inset photo in the millions of articles written on the story?
Nobody asked about maybe a foundation setup in her name? Nobody asked how they met?
WTF were these idiots doing?
January 19th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
I think Knapp is there more for the guy they drafted last year to learn under Manning.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RediaR
Credible J-school skips the grammar and structure. You wouldn’t be there if you didn’t know that already.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Speak for yourself there slim whitman…I for one (and I’m not alone) would LOVE to see Chucky Pt II…
Only sensible, winning run we’ve had since 1983….
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# RaiderDuck Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Arena Of Truth Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
The Raiders interviewed Trestman and hired Olson. Why? Because they both were OC’s under Gruden, and he will return to the Raiders within the next two years. Book it.
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Gruden’s not coming back, and nobody wants to see his overrated 57-55 @ss here anyway.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Klay Thompson is shooting the lights out!!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Hue absolutely is getting black-balled.
For stabbing people in the back and infurating all his bosses.
That’s kind of how it works. You make your bed, and you must lay in it.
He should go to the college ranks, start fresh. I think he would do well there.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Hue cares? lol
January 19th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
That was a nice half from Klay.
Of course, he completely wimped out the other night, so it is good to see him getting healthy on Eric Gordon, who hasn’t played any D since his one year in Indiana.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Raider E Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Palmer’s cap hit is not 17 mil.
It’s 4+ mil and accelerators if cut.
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4+M and accelerators is correct……the problem is the accelerators are 13M
17M is the number everyone is saying
January 19th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Just Fire Baby
I hear that.
That is the backstory on Hubris.
Great offensive mind, not so great people skills.
But, you have to admit, a Rex Ryan-Hubris Jackson tag team would be an interesting watch if those two got together in NY.
The pedicure sessions alone would be worth it!
January 19th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/19/3894980/jacksonville-jaguars-tampa-bay-buccaneers-insight-oakland-raiders-offensive-coordinator-greg-olson
Bloggers from Greg Olson’s two previous NFL stops – Jaguars and Buccaneers — chime in to give their takes on their take on the Raiders new offensive coordinator.
Raiders new offensive coordinator, Greg Olson, was the Jaguars quarterbacks coach last season. Prior to that he had been the offensive coordinator with the Buccaneers for three seasons (2009-11).
Few would have a better idea of his performance as a coach and coordinator than a writer who covered every game as well as all the players he coached in those stops.
We start with Alfie Crow from Jaguars blog Big Cat Country who gives us some insight into Olson’s work with the quarterbacks.
“Olson joined the Jaguars last season as assistant head coach/quarterbacks coach under Mike Mularkey,” said Crow. “Olson quickly made a difference improving Blaine Gabbert’s overall mechanics, especially his footwork and his balance in his drop back. Some of that translated to the game, but obviously Gabbert didn’t seem to improve as much as most would have liked. Olson was a coach the Jaguars were said to have wanted to retain however, but were not going to block any moves. I do know that in the past as an offensive coordinator Olson has employed a zone-blocking scheme and has seen big years from Steven Jackson and LaGarrette Blount.”
Next I asked Sander Philipse from the Buccaneers blog, Bucs Nation.
“First, he’s mainly a West Coast Offense guy,” said Philipse. “He has some influences from other offenses, most notably some of Mike Martz, and the Bucs always talked about a run-heavy, throw-deep offense — but that never really came out on the field.
“With the Bucs, he had a few weird staples. He’d run really badly-blocked end-arounds with Arrelious Benn, which were routinely disastrous and never gained much yardage. He’d have one or two deep shots off play action per game.
“As for a run game, he never seemed to commit to either zone or power runs and ran a mixture of both.
“Slow starts were an issue throughout his tenure, and the Bucs didn’t score a single point in the first quarter of 25 of 48 of his games. They managed to score 7 or more points in the first quarter just 10 times. The offense would often get going later on in games, but the early going was always a problem.”
What Philipse said about Olson is very interesting because he does not have the reputation as being a West Coast Offense type coach. He certainly didn’t run that type of offense while with the Rams in 06-07.
It seems to me, he tried to tailor his scheme to fit the personnel he had on the Buccaneers. That is what the Raiders are hoping is the case.
And I hate to say it, but both descriptions sound very much like they are talking about Greg Knapp last season. Great QB coach, West Coast Offense, mix of zone and power blocking scheme, slow starter, Lack of long passes. The knocks with regard to play calling from fan comments I read from when Olson was still OC in Tampa Bay were uncanny in their similarity to Knapp as well.
The main difference is in the track record with players who thrived in his system. Carson Palmer, Darren McFadden, and Marcel Reece are three such players who should do well with Olson. That could make all the difference. We shall see.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Syracuse QB Ryan Nassib 6′2 228 will play in the 2013 Senior Bowl.
Expect this kid to shoot up the draft boards. Nassib threw for 3,749 yards as a senior, which is tops in school history for one season. In 2012, Nassib also broke the school record for touchdowns in a season with 26. The Pennsylvania native is Syracuse’s career passing yardage leader with 9,190 yards.
Nassib will stand out in the Senior Bowl and coaches will fall in love with his command of the offense. Nassib could very well be the second or third quarterback drafted in the 2013 NFL draft.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
00tt00
Palmer’s $13 million base salary is not guaranteed. Only his bonus money.
Raiders would have to pay bonus money if Palmer axed.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
CDERaider
Interesting prospect.
But, I’m sure Bills’ head coach Doug Marrone, will keep a close eye on his former QB.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RediaR
Credible J-school skips the grammar and structure. You wouldn’t be there if you didn’t know that already.
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In the actual meat of the school yes, but there are usually a number of pre-req courses where they weed out people and teach the more basic aspects (fact checking/grammar). Journalism is about acquiring and then presenting information in a clear and concise manor. Grammar isn’t skipped.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
something tells me we will get castillo as OL coach……..if he doesnt get any other offers
olsen is uninspiring OC but with saunders and hopefully castillo all the pieces will fit
January 19th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RediaR
Oh, yeah. I know all about the rigors of J-School.
The best part of getting a journalism degree?
The minor in philosophy and all those varying English classes where the writing styles for each are about as different as you can get.
Like journalism better. Get to write in your own voice rather than some mundane mechanical, technical writing like English or philosophy.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
00tt00
April and Castillo were both on the Eagles staff.
And yes, if Castillo doesn’t get any other offers, he’s probably the guy to head the big uglies.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
FORCED? Sorry thats just lame…
Sorry…but with Saundes ON STAFF and a NON BROKEN offense T1TS fugged up…plain and simple..ESP with lack of choices out tehre! not broke dont fix!
easy easy pick…T1TS blew in last year with KRAPP. enough with the excuses already!
NO EXCUSES in 2013!
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# lefty12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
It looks like DA is hiring a good staff now that he is on equal ground and isn’t left picking the left-overs as he was forced to do last year.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
http://www.tfdssports.com/site/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-new-raiders-oc-greg-olson.html
There’s statistical charts up to view, and then he says…
Now, for some conclusions. First, as you can see from the info above, Greg Olson has never been a coordinator of an offense that ranked better than 20th, statistically. He has been a playcalling offensive coordinator for 5 seasons and in 4 of those 5 seasons his offense ranked 27th or worse in terms of points scored.
Further, the offenses of the teams that he calls plays for do substantially worse than others with many of the same players. In fact, on average the teams he calls plays for dropped almost 5.5 points per game in his first season calling plays.
That data and some other info is highlighed here {IMAGE}
Also troubling is that 2 of the 3 teams he was coordinator for improved the next season, after he was fired. St Louis was the exception, dropping in most every category.
In Olson’s defense, two of the the teams he was hired to coordinate, the Detroit Lions and the St Louis Rams, were almost devoid of offensive talent at the times he was there.
However, there is enough data to indicate that Olson also isn’t able to bring out the best in his players, a troubling conclusion now that the Raiders have tabbed Olson for the Raiders coordinator position.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Woohooo!!! We are rolling now!! Lookout 5-11 next year!!
January 19th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Heh, my English papers were filled with inappropriate jokes mixed in with whichever format and content they wanted. I had no issue with writing in those classes really. I hear you though.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Saunders contract is up in March. Wonder if he’ll come back in some capacity. Probably not as he stayed on as special assistant in 2012 under contract making offensive coordinator money. Surely we can’t pay him that again this year to stay on as an assistant. Still wish he had gotten the nod at OC.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Mastercez Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Woohooo!!! We are rolling now!! Lookout 5-11 next year!!
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With steady improvement like this we will go to the playoffs in 4 or 5 years.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
CDERaider
I’ve been trying to find his salary — no luck so far — but from what I read, Saunders makes pretty good money in Oakland.
I will search more to see if I can find the exact numbers.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Palmer’s cap hit is 7.7 mil if cut.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
No numbers, only thing I could find is an ESPN tidbit on Saunders’ contract with Oakland running through 2013 season.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Love the bobby April hire. The first thought I had was the Riley cooper kickoff return when he was laying down in the end zone. I know it was called back because of the forward pass, but it was ingenious. Now we just need a kick returner and a punt returner!
January 19th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Fool-DA didn’t fire your beloved HJ,so how does he get so much blame for the offense failing?You can call it an excuse but it is also a FACT-his choices were limited,he was hired late,and he was denied the opportunity to interview many others.Hate if you will,I’d rather root for the guy that coaches the team I root for.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
That link seems to tag Olsen as a ZBS guy doesn’t it?
January 19th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
The best thing I can come up with Olsen was that Hue sucked as an OC his two previous places before Oakland as well.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
I’m trying to tell you guys. Cut Palmer. It’s a done deal and draft Geno.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
He’s got experience in both. Remember, Gruden is WCO, he worked a WCO offense when OC. With ZBS. When with Rams he worked Coryell PBS.
Olson is Knapp v2.0 like i first said three days ago. Cheap hire, the next scapegoat.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
That scenario brings hope to Oaktown.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
JFB,but at the end of that article it mentions he is a power blocking guy.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
As long as Gruden endorses April, it’s all good.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
If only Geno was worth a first round pick, then I would be on board. Alas that is not the case.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Harrison Barnes is such a major disappointment.
2 points, 4 turnovers, getting his azz handed to him by some dude named Al-Faroug or whatever.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
I could not agree more, JFB. Barnes looks lost out there….
January 19th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Geno is worth a first round pick. We may be able to trade down and still grab him.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RediaR Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
If only Geno was worth a first round pick, then I would be on board. Alas that is not the case.
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Hopefully someone will disagree and want to jump up and grab him.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Time to start Richard Jefferson.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Raider E Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Palmer’s cap hit is 7.7 mil if cut.
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Jerry McDonald reported if we cut him or trade him we get a cap hit of $17 million as his entire bonus is accelerated – so not sure who to believe. He did restructure and convert the majority of his 2012 salary to 2013 bonus and the same happened in 2010 as well as we had no cap room in 2010 when he was acquired either so they had to give him a low salary with huge guaranteed bonuses.
Everything I’ve read including many Cork chats say no way he’s not on the team in 2013 – team simply cannot afford to move him given the contract structure. That is assuming he doesn’t retire and forfeit it all – unlikely unless his rib injury doesn’t heal and Reggie said he’s healing fine.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Raider E Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Palmer’s cap hit is 7.7 mil if cut.
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Jerry McDonald reported if we cut him or trade him we get a cap hit of $17 million as his entire bonus is accelerated – so not sure who to believe. He did restructure and convert the majority of his 2012 salary to 2013 bonus and the same happened in 2010 as well as we had no cap room in 2010 when he was acquired either so they had to give him a low salary with huge guaranteed bonuses.
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Sorry, I meant 2011, not 2010
January 19th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Ryan nassib is a stud he’s my favorite qb In this draft now that Murray went back to college he can throw and run reminds me of a poor mans Arron Rodgers he will def shoot up the draft boards and be a first round pick
January 19th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Nassib might have the strongest arm in the draft.
He has some bouts with some wild inaccuracy though. Like not in the same area code inaccuracy.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
QB is not our problem…. It’s one of the only areas this team is productive.. Try online and running back?
January 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Receivers that run routes and get separation .
January 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Expect Nassib to be very hihg on the Bills’ draft board now his former coach Doug Marrone is the head coach for Buffalo.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Catch?
January 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
E,
Can’t quite put my finger on it with Barnes, but I just don’t see it.
He is a good 3 point shooter, but never seems ready to shoot when they pass the ball to him on the perimeter. Has the size to bang and rebound, but is always flat-footed and getting out-jumped. Can pass pretty well, but takes the first easy pass every time. Can finish on the break with authority, but comes in soft all the time and gets swatted.
I called him Marvin Williams 2.0 when he came out of college, and that’s look exactly to be it.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Expect Nassib to be very hihg on the Bills’ draft board now his former coach Doug Marrone is the head coach for Buffalo.
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Astute observation.
Got to think they take him in the 2nd round if there.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Surprised you guys beg for chucky. He blows tuck rule game. Inherits bucks squad from ?..
Wins SB and then tanks
January 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
You can call it an excuse but it is also a FACT-his choices were limited,he was hired late,and he was denied the opportunity to interview many others.Hate if you will,I’d rather root for the guy that coaches the team I root for.
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He could have kept Wylie with big wiz. Knapp is a career loser as a OC, Dennis fugged up big time.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Surprised you guys beg for chucky. He blows tuck rule game. Inherits bucks squad from ?..
Wins SB and then tanks
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Exactly. His record in Tampa Bay (INCLUDING the Super Bowl year)? 57-55. Add to that no NFL head coach has had a winning record in his second stint with the same team since the 1950s, and I’m not sure why anyone would want Gruden back.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RediaR Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
If only Geno was worth a first round pick, then I would be on board. Alas that is not the case.
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Hopefully someone will disagree and want to jump up and grab him.
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Somebody still might – he has already hired Select Sports Group as his agent and the hype machine will be in full effect. Also, he had pretty good success in college, def ‘looks’ the part, will look great at the combine (won’t throw of course), will hold a rockstar pro-day where he looks ‘perfect’, and with the value of the QB these days, maybe a team like the Browns, Jets, Bills, Dolphins, or are all going to draft a QB somewhere in this draft will move up to stag him if he’s there at #3. That is if the Chiefs or Jags don’t take him first. Chiefs might cuz they have a pretty solid roster already and he might remind Reid of McNabb. Jags aren’t sold on Mallet but they might not be ready to move on from him just yet and have many needs like we do.
We’ll see – its one of the (many) intriguing things that involve the Raiders this offseason.
January 19th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
And yes, if Castillo doesn’t get any other offers
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LOL at the last resort angle.
Patriots and the 49rs aren’t a callin’.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
strong arm qb? always want that on the team…
January 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Some of you ladies are mailing it in already? Not one play called and Greg Olson is already Greg Knapp pt 2?
Some of you Raider fans are a bunch of fck’n Debbie Downers. lol
Boo yah
January 19th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Many more important issues than qb. How about a reliable running back or wide receiver? As much as I would love to believe in McFadden, history says it all. We still don’t have a proven elite receiver, and we might lose our best receiver Brandon Meyers to free agency. I unfortunately predict another subpar win, perhaps 6-10. One we blew it up last year, I knew it would take several years to build a contender. I’m still not convinced with Tarver either. Reporters and McKenzie say our defense stepped up in December, but it was against crap teams not playing for anything. Our secondary is still in shambles, d line is about to lose Seymour, possibly Kelly. Wheeler could sign with a contender, a lot of work to do.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
What’s the UCLA TE’s named? Fauria or something.
Can we get him in the 3rd round? That would be flipping ideal.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Nassib might be our Ace in the Hole.
If Geno is gone by #3, Nassib will be sitting there and the Jets, Bills, Browns, and Dolphins might be all over that guy and Reggie could start a bidding war for them to move up. The Eagles pick after us and they might take a QB too so those teams would be motivated.
That would be soooo sweet to get like a 4 player haul for trading down to the middle of the 1st and getting the 2nd round pick back which we sorely need.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Btw Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson because he’s Knapp v2.0 and not because of a recommendation from Jon Gruden like “setting up his staff” for 2014.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Gruden ain’t gonna be the coach here.
Neither is your 8-8 messiah hue Jackson.
Support the team you got and be a raider fan.
If u are too concerned about ownership or the moves of the gm or the coach then just go like the patriots…or the niners, they are good now.
…but when the raiders get back, make sure you stay there…we don’t want you anymore.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Don’t think we will see any major offers to trade down.
Not getting a huge haul for Ryan Nassib.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Btw Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson because he’s Knapp v2.0 a
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What does that mean?
January 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Btw Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson because he’s Knapp v2.0 and not because of a recommendation from Jon Gruden like “setting up his staff” for 2014.
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How is Olson Knapp 2.0 when Dennis Allen is largely on the defensive side of things and allows the OC autonomy….?
January 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
You can support the team and question decision making. It’s not like we are nitpicking a team on the way to the superbowl.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Bobby April has a track record of success, something DA, Tarver and Olson lack, so that’s a posiive, two-time ST Coach of the Year means he knows what he’s doing.
On the other hand, April is coming off 3 rough seasons in Philly since arriving with an excellent reputation:
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Meanwhile April- who came in with much higher expectations- has been a complete disappointment…
Take a look at these numbers.
2010:
Own Kick Returns: 25th
Own Punt Returns: 12th
Opponent Kickoff Returns: 12th
Opponent Punt Returns: 17th
2011:
Own Kickoff Returns: 31st
Own Punt Returns: 28th
Opponent Kickoff Returns: 19th
Opponent Punt Returns: 3rd
2012:
Own Kickoff Returns: 28th
Own Punt Returns: 13th
Opponent Kickoff Returns: 21st
Opponent Punt Returns: 31st.
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That’s from a Philly website, as you can see April did no exactly turn their ST’s into a force, but the guy has done it before and is a respected Coach.
Good hire by Reggie and DA.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
Couple of huge steals from Steph and a 3.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RediaR Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
You can support the team and question decision making. It’s not like we are nitpicking a team on the way to the superbowl.
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Its ok. but geez. every day over ever decision?
January 19th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Raider Guy Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Gruden ain’t gonna be the coach here.
Neither is your 8-8 messiah hue Jackson.
Support the team you got and be a raider fan.
If u are too concerned about ownership or the moves of the gm or the coach then just go like the patriots…or the niners, they are good now.
…but when the raiders get back, make sure you stay there…we don’t want you anymore.
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AMEN.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
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That’s from a Philly website, as you can see April did no exactly turn their ST’s into a force, but the guy has done it before and is a respected Coach.
Good hire by Reggie and DA.
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Philly didnt have a pro bowl kicker. Just need a special teams maven and a ST that recognizes good players.
Its a good hire, too bad Lechler will be gone.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
http://www.tfdssports.com/site/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-new-raiders-oc-greg-olson.html
There’s statistical charts up to view, and then he says…
Now, for some conclusions. First, as you can see from the info above, Greg Olson has never been a coordinator of an offense that ranked better than 20th, statistically. He has been a playcalling offensive coordinator for 5 seasons and in 4 of those 5 seasons his offense ranked 27th or worse in terms of points scored.
Further, the offenses of the teams that he calls plays for do substantially worse than others with many of the same players. In fact, on average the teams he calls plays for dropped almost 5.5 points per game in his first season calling plays.
That data and some other info is highlighed here {IMAGE}
Also troubling is that 2 of the 3 teams he was coordinator for improved the next season, after he was fired. St Louis was the exception, dropping in most every category.
In Olson’s defense, two of the the teams he was hired to coordinate, the Detroit Lions and the St Louis Rams, were almost devoid of offensive talent at the times he was there.
However, there is enough data to indicate that Olson also isn’t able to bring out the best in his players, a troubling conclusion now that the Raiders have tabbed Olson for the Raiders coordinator position.
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Bargain Basement
January 19th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders move even closer to rounding out coaching staff The Raiders hired long-time NFL coach Bobby April to fill their vacancy at special teams coordinator. April spent the past three seasons as the Philadelphia Eagles special teams coordinator. Overall, he has coached 21 years in the NFL, mostly special… [...]
January 19th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I like the SP hire though. Seems to be a quality hire and a top tier candidate.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
#120
That’s what a Knapp v2.0 means.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Nassib might have the strongest arm in the draft.
He has some bouts with some wild inaccuracy though. Like not in the same area code inaccuracy.
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Glennon has the strongest arm, but Nassib might have the most velocity. Just jumps out of his hand like a laser – release Tebow could only dream about.
i’m hope Raiders would have him on the radar along with Glennon, Bray and Tyler Wilson.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Not a Tyler Bray fan.
Just wings it blindly sometimes, to avoid any contact.
Don’t seem to have the stones to hang in the pocket and make the 3rd and 7 throws.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Also…
Dennis Allen hired Olson. It’s not Jon Gruden planting a seed for his return in 2014. Dennis Allen is not doing Gruden’s bidding to have himself replaced.
There are a certain number of coaches in the league who are like Kevin Bacon and the six degrees of separation thing, they bounce around a lot, versatile coaches who keep getting positional/coordinator work, and thus end up having worked for many different coaches. Knapp is the Kevin Bacon of the NFL. Olson is a chip off the block.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
http://www.tfdssports.com/site/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-new-raiders-oc-greg-olson.html
There’s statistical charts up to view, and then he says…
Now, for some conclusions. First, as you can see from the info above, Greg Olson has never been a coordinator of an offense that ranked better than 20th, statistically. He has been a playcalling offensive coordinator for 5 seasons and in 4 of those 5 seasons his offense ranked 27th or worse in terms of points scored.
Further, the offenses of the teams that he calls plays for do substantially worse than others with many of the same players. In fact, on average the teams he calls plays for dropped almost 5.5 points per game in his first season calling plays.
That data and some other info is highlighed here {IMAGE}
Also troubling is that 2 of the 3 teams he was coordinator for improved the next season, after he was fired. St Louis was the exception, dropping in most every category.
In Olson’s defense, two of the the teams he was hired to coordinate, the Detroit Lions and the St Louis Rams, were almost devoid of offensive talent at the times he was there.
However, there is enough data to indicate that Olson also isn’t able to bring out the best in his players, a troubling conclusion now that the Raiders have tabbed Olson for the Raiders coordinator position.
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Bargain Basement
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It isnt like a player evaluation, either. Statistically, it just doesnt bode well. So players have to make plays, and not bringing out the best in players is troubling…
January 19th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Not a Tyler Bray fan.
Just wings it blindly sometimes, to avoid any contact.
Don’t seem to have the stones to hang in the pocket and make the 3rd and 7 throws.
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Bray is wildly inaccurate and most of his throws are always flat, just gunning them in low, rarely shows touch.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Not a Tyler Bray fan.
Just wings it blindly sometimes, to avoid any contact.
Don’t seem to have the stones to hang in the pocket and make the 3rd and 7 throws.
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Yeah, a saw the highlight tape, he’ll just wing it away as he is bracing for contact. He’ll need to get coached up. You know who stands in? Eli – he always wait for the last minute, get blown up but complete the pass – you cant teach that – what about Nassib
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1464730-2013-nfl-draft-full-scouting-report-for-ryan-nassib
January 19th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Hope Davis/Reggie enjoy a 1/2 empty stadium. Hello Black Outs.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Eli hangs in the pocket like a bad mofo.
Has to be frustrating as heck for a defender to clean his clock, and get up and see he just completed a 17 yard pass on 3rd and 12.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Judging by PFT reader comments …
Buffalo fans: Wish April were still here. Great hire, Raiders.
Philly fans: April is terrible. He was supposed to be a ST guru but every year the STs got worse under him.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Surprised you guys beg for chucky. He blows tuck rule game. Inherits bucks squad from ?..
Wins SB and then tanks
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Exactly. His record in Tampa Bay (INCLUDING the Super Bowl year)? 57-55. Add to that no NFL head coach has had a winning record in his second stint with the same team since the 1950s, and I’m not sure why anyone would want Gruden back.
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I’m not even sure it’s a good idea but it makes sense given the interviews and the fact they hired Olson. In two years when DA gets fired Gruden will have draft picks, cap space and a large say in decisions.
As far as performance I hope you guys remember how pathetic the Raiders were when Gruden took over and went 8-8 with Jeff George and Donald Hollas? cmon….
January 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
When you say he hired him BECAUSE he is Krapp 2.0, what does “because” mean?
You don’t think Allen actually thinks Olson was the best man to help his team win games?
January 19th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Jarrett Jack HAS TO be the 6th man of the year this season.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Lets be honest. DA’s decision making when hiring OCs isn’t the strongest part of his resume.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Willies and Joes.
Palmer has to be able to step up and figure out where the single coverage is. The WR has to win the 1 on 1 matchup.
Wiz needs to block his man, and 20 needs to read the right hole.
Those things happen, Olson will be a great OC hire, lol.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Two salary questions, gents.
How do incentives in players’ contracts affect the salary cap? Are there contracts in which the incentives provide a considerable portion of a player’s compensation?
Are there any restrictions on the total salaries the coaching staff are paid? Is there any set limit on the number of coaches a team can have?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
How do incentives in players’ contracts affect the salary cap?
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I don’t believe they do, but I will defer to our blog staffs salary-cap consultant Bcz.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Hope Davis/Reggie enjoy a 1/2 empty stadium. Hello Black Outs.
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Yeah. I’ve gotta imagine ticket sales is going to be a tough job this year. Last year people were optimistic after being in contention for a playoff spot in 2011 and appearing to be on the upswing.
This year the season is 8 months away and most fans are writing it off and looking ahead to 2014-2015 and beyond. Raiders will have to start real hot to hope for any kind of decent crowd this year.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Jarrett Jack HAS TO be the 6th man of the year this season.
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Crawford might make the All Star team from the Clippers.
He’ll get 6th man.
Jack is ballin though.
I’ll trade you Nash for him?!?!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RediaR Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Lets be honest. DA’s decision making when hiring OCs isn’t the strongest part of his resume.
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Nope. I believe the strongest part of his resume would be leading the Broncos D to a 20th ranking in his lone season as a defensive coordinator at any level of football. Of course, I believe the Broncos were top 5 this season w/o him. But that’s neither here nor there.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Jack is ballin though.
I’ll trade you Nash for him?!?!!!
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Throw in your 1st round pick and it is a deal.
Uh what’s that? You already traded it for Nash? Bummer.
Is it lottery protected? NO!!!!???!!! What type of idiot made that move?
January 19th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
believe the Broncos were top 5 this season w/o him.
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LOL
Tebow to Manning had nothing to do with both scenarios?
This is getting hilarious.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
DA’s strong suit on his resume was being the Secondary coach for the Saints when they picked off Peyton to win the Bowl.
DA’s resume up until last season started was the same as Mike Tomlins.
Super Bowl winning secondary coach, underwhelming but solid one season as DC, youngest coach in the NFL.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Uh what’s that? You already traded it for Nash? Bummer.
Is it lottery protected? NO!!!!???!!! What type of idiot made that move?
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Buss Sr is losing it. Must be comatose.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Reagrding the Manti Te’o issue;
If it takes something this trivial for the mainstream press to realize it’s letting itself get led around by the nose by press releases, official statements and scripted Q&A sessions, then I’m all for it.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Thanks, JFB!
January 19th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Chucky can thank the alcoholic all pro center Barrett Robbins for disappearing making it a cake walk for burgess and sapp .
January 19th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
When you say he hired him BECAUSE he is Krapp 2.0, what does “because” mean?
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because
be·cause
[bih-kawz, -koz, -kuhz]
conjunction
1.
for the reason that; due to the fact that: The boy was absent because he was ill.
Idioms
2.
because of, by reason of; due to: Schools were closed because of heavy snowfall.
Origin:
1275–1325; Middle English bi cause by cause
Synonyms
1. Because, as, since, for, inasmuch as agree in implying a reason for an occurrence or action. Because introduces a direct reason: I was sleeping because I was tired. As and since are so casual as to imply merely circumstances attendant on the main statement: As (or since ) I was tired, I was sleeping. The reason, proof, or justification introduced by for is like an afterthought or a parenthetical statement: I was sleeping, for I was tired. Inasmuch as implies concession; the main statement is true in view of the circumstances introduced by this conjunction: Inasmuch as I was tired, it seemed best to sleep.
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J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
You don’t think Allen actually thinks Olson was the best man to help his team win games?
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He obviously didn’t, otherwise Allen would’ve been able to generate more interest from other hires he had hire on his list. A list which going by Reggie’s own admission included many names that they had to move on from. In the end, he settled for Knapp v2.0 (someone who bounces around the nfl, comes cheap, does his job, and can be scapegoated outside of the HC’s role). Someone they had to hurry up and settle on for the Senior Bowl to get some advance scouting in.
January 19th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
DERaider Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Saunders contract is up in March. Wonder if he’ll come back in some capacity. Probably not as he stayed on as special assistant in 2012 under contract making offensive coordinator money. Surely we can’t pay him that again this year to stay on as an assistant. Still wish he had gotten the nod at OC.
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saunders got one year added to his contract last season and is under contract thru 2013
January 19th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
DA’s strong suit on his resume was being the Secondary coach for the Saints when they picked off Peyton to win the Bowl.
DA’s resume up until last season started was the same as Mike Tomlins.
Super Bowl winning secondary coach, underwhelming but solid one season as DC, youngest coach in the NFL.
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im not so sure tomlin is that great a coach…he inherited a super bowl talent team with a good QB….had his OC and DC dictated to him by upper management…. and the team has gotten progressively older and in decline….
to his credit he didnt immediatly screw it up and tank the team,,,,he is a good coach….just not so sure he belongs up there with the top quality coaches
January 19th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
If there are 30 alternate NFL universes, Greg Olson is not a top OC hire in 29 of those alternate universes. Olson has the same/worse reputation as Greg Knapp as an OC. He’s knowledgable, x&o, worked around the league for many coaches, is someone a god-awful franchise hires because they cant find any better, someone to hold the bridge hoping to turn things around one day several years later that they become an attractive organization to work for and play for.
You guys have to wake up and realize the Raiders are fubar’d. We’re barrel-scrappers now. We’re on the endangered list in franchise worth, location, and coaching/player group. We’ve been terrible for over 10 years!!! We’re the Browns, Lions, Cards, Bills, type of teams now. All these delusions of grandeur, of return to glory, just by the click of the fingers hiring a new GM. Even hiring a GM and HC, we had to barrel-scrape. They play the same record loop over and over every year.
Things will have to change dramatically, and for a consistent period of time, before our stock rises. Ownership change is probably going to happen. Things are changing around the NFL. Few would want to come and work for a Mark Davis owner. It’s about the big men of industry who have business acumen in other industry, or have track record of sports team ownership.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
00tt00
Mike McCarthy was the architect of the worst and comical last-place offense when he was 49ers O-coordinator — Niners that year were dead last in yards gained and points scored — and was hired by the Green Bay Packers the following year as head coach.
It took him some time, but look at where McCarthy is now.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Surprised you guys beg for chucky. He blows tuck rule game. Inherits bucks squad from ?..
Wins SB and then tanks
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its a QB league and chucky couldnt find his next rich gannon……..but that being said the one thing that you could say about gruden from the time he spent here is the team was prepared every week……….. you cant say the same about any other coaches we had here since……..cable and hue brought the team out of the dark ages and there was glimmer of hope…….things are dark again
January 19th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
I like Reggie’s attitude . We Are not looking for a couple more wins….. Who cares.. Build it for the long haul.
No more al Davis Hail Marys!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
I’d like nothing more than to see Mark continue to own the team, run a mom-and-pop anti-corporate entity, stick the middle finger up at the NFL, and continue the Raiders Way, 31 teams and then there are the Raiders, despite much adversity and things against them, attracting only cast-offs and retreads, we still somehow dominate our conference and regularly win playoffs.
But the Raiders died when Al did. About the only person I can think who might be able to replicate the figure-head of an “Al”, a football ‘guru’ with a chip on his shoulder, etc, would be Jon Gruden as ‘managing general partner’ of the Raiders.
The way things are going around the NFL tho, Mark is just a son of inheriting ownership, not a self-made businessman of industry, and we still scraped the barrel in attracting/hiring McKenzie and Allen, and since their hires, we have seen the types of barrel-scraping hires THEY have in turn made…packers and niners practice squad players, stanford connections, knapp, olson type hires. Our roster is probably 35-50% worth keeping (including a bunch of 22-24 year olds on the practice squad and injured reserve/future contracts).
The organization is financially struggling in Oakland, playing in an outdated stadium lacking the corporate sponsorships and PSLs and sell-outs to maximize profit, with debt accruing every year on lease and repayments, with a probability of being relocated to LA (and as per PFT, on the proviso Mark isn’t owner).
January 19th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
153. Get youre point, That said, I say lets see where they stand in Oct. Lets give them a chance, and time. Raiders!!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
A little more insight into Greg Olson and his offensive system and tendencies:
- “Former Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach Jon Gruden may be gone from One Buc Place, but he hasn’t been forgotten.
How could he be when the offense the Bucs are installing this offseason is so reminiscent of the one they ran under Gruden?.
* “It’s very similar to Gruden’s offense,” running back Earnest Graham said of the offense being installed by new coordinator Greg Olson.
“It’s the same mindset, the same offense. What he has the quarterback doing, the receivers and the running backs – it’s pretty much the same system.”
Gruden often bristled when his offense was referred to a West Coast system, but with the emphasis he put on throwing mostly short passes to receivers running slants and digs, that’s pretty much what it was.
Olson’s system has the same qualities, but many of the skill players on offense believe the Bucs will put a greater emphasis on the run and will rely more on the deep passing game.”
- This is Greg Olson himself describing his Offense:
“To me it’s a version of the West Coast [offense],” Olson said.
“I’ve taken a couple of principles that I’ve worked for in the past, primarily in the West Coast offense, but we’ve also sprinkled in some of the Mike Martz-St. Louis Rams vertical stretch.
You’ll see a little of both. Hopefully we’ll be a very aggressive offense.
Certainly we’re going to run the football. Running the football is important to this team. We understand that.
It’s going to be an explosive offense.”
January 19th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
I can’t wait to see the Olson end-around we keep hearing about!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Weaksauce, GG.
You don’t have an answer for he hired him because he was Knapp 2.0.
Just admit that makes ZERO sense, lol.
Implying anything other than Allen hired who he thought was the best guy he actually interviewed is complete non sense.
McKenzie “moved on” from Norvell right after they left San Diego’s parking lot, lol. How hard is it to understand that WE didn’t want Norv????
You don’t recall Norv interrupting the Pryor interview? Why was he in our locker room? Norv settle for that dump Cleveland b/c no one else wanted him! Not even the sorry arsse Jets, lol.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
If it takes something this trivial for the mainstream press to realize it’s letting itself get led around by the nose by press releases, official statements and scripted Q&A sessions, then I’m all for it.
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You see, it’s comments like these that make me put up with you yelling at me all the time.
Well-said.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
00tt00
Mike McCarthy was the architect of the worst and comical last-place offense when he was 49ers O-coordinator — Niners that year were dead last in yards gained and points scored — and was hired by the Green Bay Packers the following year as head coach.
It took him some time, but look at where McCarthy is now.
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I agree….I though mccarthy was a terrible hire…..was definitely wrong…..
but I was 100% positive art shell II, kiffin and knapp II would be horrible….
I have said I think DA could be a good coach some day……but he will get fired from the raiders before that happens…….he was…is….the least qualified coach in the NFL and the folks(coaches/free agents) he is able to attract are not going to make this their first destinition…..because reggie hired someone so green it makes it harder to build the team you want…..so you either have to over pay to bring talent or accept lesser talent…..Al’s method was to overpay…..reggies seems to be to accept the lesser talent
January 19th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Just Fire Baby
Olson is going to split Terrelle Pryor out wide and have him come in to take end-around handoff from Carson Palmer.
On a serious note, don’t know why he ran the Arrelius Benn end-around as much as he did in Tampa, but, it’s probably going to be run quite a few times in Oakland.
Hubris ran it.
Knapp ran a version of it with that toss-sweep to DHB against Atlanta.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Greg Olson is not a top OC hire in 29 of those alternate universes.
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Top OCs are rarely unemployed.
Have you seen the list of OCs hired?
NONE of them are “top OCs” in any universe.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Speak for yourself there slim whitman…I for one (and I’m not alone) would LOVE to see Chucky Pt II…
Only sensible, winning run we’ve had since 1983….
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# RaiderDuck Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Arena Of Truth Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
The Raiders interviewed Trestman and hired Olson. Why? Because they both were OC’s under Gruden, and he will return to the Raiders within the next two years. Book it.
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Gruden’s not coming back, and nobody wants to see his overrated 57-55 @ss here anyway.
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I don’t get all of you anti-Gruden people in this blog??? Gruden would bring instant respect to the Raiders and instant ticket sales. I would welcome Gruden back in a heartbeat!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
A list which going by Reggie’s own admission included many names that they had to move on from.
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He said they moved on from Norvell, and implied they moved on from Trestman since he got hired as a HC.
Many????
He did NOT say that.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Hopefully we’ll be a very aggressive offense.
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Hopefully???
LOL…….your the coach skip, whether you want to be aggressive or not is up to you.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Anyway, GG.
Like you said, you have the right to not be happy with this move.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
If there are 30 alternate NFL universes, Greg Olson is not a top OC hire in 29 of those alternate universes. Olson has the same/worse reputation as Greg Knapp as an OC. He’s knowledgable, x&o, worked around the league for many coaches, is someone a god-awful franchise hires because they cant find any better, someone to hold the bridge hoping to turn things around one day several years later that they become an attractive organization to work for and play for.
You guys have to wake up and realize the Raiders are fubar’d. We’re barrel-scrappers now. We’re on the endangered list in franchise worth, location, and coaching/player group. We’ve been terrible for over 10 years!!! We’re the Browns, Lions, Cards, Bills, type of teams now. All these delusions of grandeur, of return to glory, just by the click of the fingers hiring a new GM. Even hiring a GM and HC, we had to barrel-scrape. They play the same record loop over and over every year.
Things will have to change dramatically, and for a consistent period of time, before our stock rises. Ownership change is probably going to happen. Things are changing around the NFL. Few would want to come and work for a Mark Davis owner. It’s about the big men of industry who have business acumen in other industry, or have track record of sports team ownership.
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yep
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I really liked Gruden.
But him and Callahan basically did the same thing to get to the Superbowl. They inherited a really good structured team. The good thing for Gruden was that when he got there he faced a team he knew up and down.
And also…Barret Robbins.
After that, nothing spectacular from either one of them except a weird Hooters commercial.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Posting this from another site…
Hilarious hire. He was a joke as OC in Tampa. Check out pewterreport.com to see what Bucs fans think of him!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Why was he in our locker room?
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We are the chesseburgers and cole slaw guys, we interview players in the hallway.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Mark Davis must guard against being viewed as a cheap lets just get by owner. It seems the GM is going about his job with the bottom line being the bottom line. This is an industry made for those who quite frankly have the bottom as last on their list.
However it’s all Reggie ever seems to be concerned with. He calls it “biulding the right way”. But is it the right way? This league is loaded with bad contracts and overpaid athletes and how do you compete in this sort of environment if you are overly cost concious?
One would take one look at Palmers contract and easily conclude he is vastly overpaid and Seymour as well. A bad contract in this business is almost business as usual. It’s just the nature of the beast. There are very few players getting paid what they’re worth there are an overglut of p;layers getting paid what they can NEGOTIATE! You see this isn’t a normal corporation where employees start out low and work there way up the corporate ladder. No it’s a corporation where unproven talent is given large salaries and then allowed to prove they deserve them. Many times they never ever prove they were worth the contract the negotiated. Thus basd contracts are more the norm than the exception.
If you want to swim in these deep waters you must have deep pockets and be willing to expend huge dollars for talent that may never measure up to the money they recieve. As I said it is the nature of the beats you must compete in it if you want to win it……….period
January 19th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Had my Henny & steak dinner..
Spoke to my cousin whom works as a PR for them Blk & Silver..
Let’s just say he insured me that major front office plus overrated & paid player personal moves will. be surprisingly made this off season to fit this young/experienced staffs football mind
Don’t give up Raiders fans do to the many year’s of disappointing season’s
By game 1 opening day.. 75% of 2012′$ Player personal will be different for the better.We will see start seeing that Reggie’s vision that we’ll have player’s,coaches plus
front office employees that are winners that will work and perform passionately for this organization .
YESSSIR GO RAIDERS!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Greg Olson is not a top OC hire in 29 of those alternate universes.
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Top OCs are rarely unemployed.
Have you seen the list of OCs hired?
NONE of them are “top OCs” in any universe.
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wizenhunt, turner, mcdaniels, haley, carmichael were all top quality OC’s who were available at some point……HC that used to be top coordinators become available every year and teams snap them up….
January 19th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Btw Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson because he’s Knapp v2.0 and not because of a recommendation from Jon Gruden like “setting up his staff” for 2014.
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Gruden signed off on Olson and April. It’ll be his staff in ‘14. Can’t divulge my source, but got more than one.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
GG
Mike McCarthy was also a joke OC with the 49ers who landed the HC gig with Green Bay.
Not saying Olson will turn out to be McCarthy, but, the dude hasn’t even called a play yet in Oakland.
I’m in wait-and-see mode.
Olson can turn out to be horrible. Or he could turn out to be decent.
Won’t know that until later.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
I really liked Gruden.
But him and Callahan basically did the same thing to get to the Superbowl. They inherited a really good structured team. The good thing for Gruden was that when he got there he faced a team he knew up and down.
And also…Barret Robbins.
After that, nothing spectacular from either one of them except a weird Hooters commercial.
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say what you want about callahan but the thing wrong with CHUCKY was that he was a bit consertive on offense…..when callahan came in he went for for broke…..he ran an incredible aggressive O
January 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Anyway, GG.
Like you said, you have the right to not be happy with this move.
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I’ll give him an objective chance, will give Reggie and Allen another year to see if they learn/improve. I am a hardcore Raider like many/all of you, follow thru thick and thin forever. Always reminded of a story, a guy got in trouble, killed some people, sentenced to death, his last words were, “go you fvcking raiders.”
I can only judge what’s in front of me. A coaching hire, look up track record, watch old games of that coach, read the stats, etc. At this time I’m depressed at the state of the Raiders. Doom and gloom 2013 imo. But cannot genuinely judge Olson as Raiders OC until he’s actually been an OC here for 4-16 games. If things look good, I will praise, and if things are looking long-term good, if i can see it reading between the lines, I will spread the message, like when things are down right now i read between the lines and spread that message of doom and gloom.
Everything is mutable, fluctuating. Can only judge/comment on what is in front of us, and objectively we must always stand ready to re-evaluate periodically.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
if it makes anyone feel better the special teams coach seems fine
January 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Priesttj12
New England is one of the few teams to go the frugal route and continue to successful.
The Pats management seems to only break out the big bucks for its established mega stars (Brady, Wilfork, etc. etc.).
Of course, it helps to have a football genius as head coach in Bill Belichick.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
00tt00
Bobby April has a reputation as a good-great special teams coach. His 3 years in Philly were lackluster, but, the work he did in Buffalo was outstanding.
April will have work to do at the punter position in Oakland if Shane Lechler is indeed done and Marquette King is the heir apparent.
April did mold Brian Moorman into a Pro Bowl punter with the Bills.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
You are on what appears to be a smear campaign, GG.
Posting comments from other blogs, and all. HARDLY giving him an objective chance.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
wizenhunt, turner, mcdaniels, haley, carmichael were all top quality OC’s who were available at some point
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Wizenhunt??? His offense has been TERRIBLE in Az for how many years now.
WE told Turner no thanks.
Haley did nothing in KC and Pittsburgh.
McDaniels or any other playoff OC leaving their current team for a lateral move to a team with a losing record would have certainly been a “top” hire. That didn’t happen at all around the league, did it?
January 19th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
As far as these latgest hires are concerned the ST’s guy IMO gets a thumbs up. However I am in a wait and see mode for the OC. He doesn’t do it for me I see a guy who fits in more than enhance the staff. Great coaches aren’t afraid of getting upstaged by their hires because they understand the better the staff the better the product.
IMHO DA is insecure and feels he cannot risk being upstaged due to his own deficiencies. He is not a strong enough personality to hold his own next to a Norv Turner or even Mike Martz. Greg Olson is his speed someone who’s nondescript and someone he can push around and throw under the bus when necessary.
This is how I see him and why I will watch this team much differently than ever before. They aren’t the Oakland Raiders I used to know. I can’t even describe what I see nor can I determine what the direction is. The GM says he wants to biuld this the right way. I wonder does he even know what the right way is because IMO their is no right way. There’s just getting it done how ever you do it just get it done.
As far as biulding a team there is a right way to approach that but I’m not sure if that’s waht he means. It seems to me he means the way the GB Packers did it………lol
Sure that’s one way but their are many ways to biuld this org. You just how to be able to convey it to everyone and get everyone on board. Hopefully that is what he means. Otherwise it appears he’s trying to make us the GB Packes west. That for me is sickening!
It almost makes me want to puke………because he basically saying our history sucked we were never a dominant org. And he going top show us what one looks like. That kind of arrogance is blasphemous to me. And turns me completely off.
I almost feel like we’ve been invaded like some kind of inquisition and mad eto conform to another way of life toatally foriegn to us. Reggie is becoming to me like an enemy of sorts a cancer and it’s taking the life right out of me.
Well I guess I’ve bared my soul enough……”The new Reggime” feels more like a take over by the most hated of rivals..period
January 19th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Devin Taylor Stole the Show at the East-West game.
If there was an “MVP” of Saturday’s game, then it’s a ridiculously easy call to make.
South Carolina defensive end Devin Taylor was a monster for the East team, racking up a handful of sacks and forcing a pair of fumbles.
It’s worth noting that the 6′8″, 267-pound Taylor had more sacks today than he did all season long, and Taylor wasn’t invited to next week’s Senior Bowl, but Saturday’s monster showing can only help his stock in the eyes of scouts.
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Listed as a 4-5th round prospect he probably moved to a solid 3/4th round pick. Another example of the depth of the impact defenders in the draft that can be picked up in the middle rounds.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
I really liked Gruden.
But him and Callahan basically did the same thing to get to the Superbowl. They inherited a really good structured team. The good thing for Gruden was that when he got there he faced a team he knew up and down.
And also…Barret Robbins.
After that, nothing spectacular from either one of them except a weird Hooters commercial.
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say what you want about callahan but the thing wrong with CHUCKY was that he was a bit consertive on offense…..when callahan came in he went for for broke…..he ran an incredible aggressive O
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Agree with this. I like Callahan/Trestman’s offense much better than Gruden/Callahan’s offense.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
lol JHill
Turner told us no thanks.
Haley took the Chiefs to the playoffs and gave Matt Cassel a career year with 27 TDs.
Let’s keep it real.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
wizenhunt, turner, mcdaniels, haley, carmichael were all top quality OC’s who were available at some point
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Wizenhunt??? His offense has been TERRIBLE in Az for how many years now.
WE told Turner no thanks.
Haley did nothing in KC and Pittsburgh.
McDaniels or any other playoff OC leaving their current team for a lateral move to a team with a losing record would have certainly been a “top” hire. That didn’t happen at all around the league, did it?
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all those guys ran top ranked O’s at one point in time on their rise to HC positions…..all are better than olsen and knapp who rise to OC and get fired and demoted to position coaches……….I would rather have the guys who we studs at one point in their career than proven failures
January 19th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Good ST hire.
Well…not sure if its the ST hire, or the fantastic night out I just had with my beautiful wife, but I’m going to give Olson the benefit of the doubt and see what he can do. At least we have power blocking/running and the vertical game back. And I like that DA was able to admit his mistake and move on. I hope we do well next year.
Reggie – all eyes on you to knock this draft out of the park. Get it done!
January 19th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
185-Excellent post J Hill.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
The only comment I’ve posted from another blog is about 100 characters long…
“Hilarious hire. He was a joke as OC in Tampa. Check out pewterreport.com to see what Bucs fans think of him!”
Everything else has been me and my state of mind.
A voiceless/powerless fan expressing a realistic/depressive pov of Olson is not a smear-campaign. Was it a smear campaign when Knapp was hired last year? About 90% of this blog did similar. So don’t be throwing stones
I’ve said ten times now…I’ll give him a chance as RAIDERS OC before judging him as RAIDERS OC. But RIGHT NOW, based on the hire, his track-record, I have the right to express my opinion of that.
Haven’t said anything negative about Bobby April have i? Tho, his tenure at Eagles has been getting worse. Still, good hire!
Lastly, what you should be far more worried about is when Cork shills here and twitter, p*ssing on our backs to tell us it’s raining, and flip-flopping his praise whenever Reggie/Knapp/Allen give the green light (eg, Pryor thru the year).
January 19th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Gruden made the playoffs three times in Tampa Bay with QBs like Chris Simms, Brian Griese, and Jeff Garcia.
Did it without a 1st or 2nd round pick TWO YEARS IN A ROW.
Left the Bucs at 9-7 and they haven’t reached that level since.
Don’t be jaded when you root for a franchise here that hasn’t had a winning season in a decade. The guy went 8-8 in Oakland with Donald Freakin’ Hollas.
January 19th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
wizenhunt, turner, mcdaniels, haley, carmichael were all top quality OC’s who were available at some point
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Wizenhunt??? His offense has been TERRIBLE in Az for how many years now.
WE told Turner no thanks.
Haley did nothing in KC and Pittsburgh.
McDaniels or any other playoff OC leaving their current team for a lateral move to a team with a losing record would have certainly been a “top” hire. That didn’t happen at all around the league, did it?
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Exactly why do you think we told Turner no thnaks and said yes to someone as unproven as Olson?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
#194, I just don’t get how people can sit here and throw stones at Gruden, the last HC to be successful here.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
wizenhunt, turner, mcdaniels, haley, carmichael were all top quality OC’s who were available at some point
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Wizenhunt??? His offense has been TERRIBLE in Az for how many years now.
WE told Turner no thanks.
Haley did nothing in KC and Pittsburgh.
McDaniels or any other playoff OC leaving their current team for a lateral move to a team with a losing record would have certainly been a “top” hire. That didn’t happen at all around the league, did it?
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Exactly why do you think we told Turner no thnaks and said yes to someone as unproven as Olson?
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I wanna see links. Turner went RIGHT to Cleveland, and rejoins Chud. They also got Horton – Brownies getting after it.
I see people hittin the chicken little switch again before the season even starts
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I want to see what Olson has in store for TP, cant wait for the presser, or will they have a presser for an OC?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Priesttj12
New England is one of the few teams to go the frugal route and continue to successful.
The Pats management seems to only break out the big bucks for its established mega stars (Brady, Wilfork, etc. etc.).
Of course, it helps to have a football genius as head coach in Bill Belichick.
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Master Bill has wasted more bigtime money on over the hill talent than most. Kraft allows him to do so because he wins….period
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Olson runs a hybrid system. Like Knapp ended up doing last half of the year. Allen is just continuing the status quo. There’ll be more end-arounds and 7 step drops, he’ll be different than Knapp in play-calling. But he is predictable and not brilliant.
State of Raider Nation is….just happy to have Knapp gone. Many of you happy to just accept and embrace someone ‘else’. No longer are we forward-thinking and aggressive-minded, demanding brilliant minds. Sad state of affairs.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
#194, I just don’t get how people can sit here and throw stones at Gruden, the last HC to be successful here.
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Losing for a decade brings that out in people.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
I’d rather trade for Matt Flynn but it would have to be a PLAYER FOR PLAYER trade not draft picks.
Keep the draft picks.. GRUDEN/ JOHNNY FOOTBALL NEXT YEAR with the 2nd overall pick we will have
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Olson runs a hybrid system. Like Knapp ended up doing last half of the year. Allen is just continuing the status quo. There’ll be more end-arounds and 7 step drops, he’ll be different than Knapp in play-calling. But he is predictable and not brilliant.
State of Raider Nation is….just happy to have Knapp gone. Many of you happy to just accept and embrace someone ‘else’. No longer are we forward-thinking and aggressive-minded, demanding brilliant minds. Sad state of affairs.
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We’ll still cheer for our team, yet secretly covet other more successful and stable organizations.
For some reason, complaining about it just feels good…yet frustrating.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
draft barret jones after trade down.. move wiz jr back to guard
Sign Charles woodson, Sign ASO if they are both cut
trade down and draft Alec Olgetree or Barret jones
January 19th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
I’d rather trade for Matt Flynn but it would have to be a PLAYER FOR PLAYER trade not draft picks.
Keep the draft picks.. GRUDEN/ JOHNNY FOOTBALL NEXT YEAR with the 2nd overall pick we will have
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Funny if Manzell is the guy Allen wanted all along, so they tank again this year for the top pick to get him in 2014.
Allen is a big Texas A&M guy….
January 19th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
All this talk of great OC’s name me a great oc that didnt have a good to great QB
January 19th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
bottom line MARK FUGGED up hiriing a rookie GM.. listening to the outdated Ron Wolf.. so his son could get a promotion in GB
WEAK
January 19th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Jhill cal it a smear campaign if you wish all he is doing is posting others opinions who have experience with this guy. What else is he suppose to go by?
If he indeed proves out we all win…….
However if our suspicions are correct then what?
This present reggime has been an all out JOKE so far, we have hired unproven coaches byh an unproven GM who’s talking about biulding the right way. What the hell is he talking about? Biulding CHEAP??
If CHEAP is his idea of teh right way, I want nothing to do with it…….period
It sounds like he’s just trying to justify losing to me. This is sports I want to win I couldn’t care less what it cost I want the best players and that cost. There is no other wya to get them but PAY them if he wants to try to do this on a shoe string budget we have just turned into the Arizona Cardinals………..thanks but no thanks………period
January 19th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Hue was rocking with teh same offensive of talent, dealing with same injuries.. and a 5f 10 corner.. and a a Corner who racked up 18 penalties.
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1-5 to finish the season.
No excuses.
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8-8 something Dennis Allen will probaly never get in a Raider White Visor
January 19th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Hue Jackson was the greatest coach we had since Gruden and u want to stop talking about him?
Dennis Allen is the worst coach we have had since well.. name ur pick other then Madden, Gruden, Hue Jackson, Tom Flores, and 80’s Art shell
There is plenty to choose from
January 19th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
. Like Knapp ended up doing last half of the year. Allen is just continuing the status quo. There’ll be more end-arounds and 7 step drops, he’ll be different than Knapp in play-calling. But he is predictable and not brilliant.
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And you say you are objective?You can’t see the contradiction in your statements?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Olson runs a hybrid system. Like Knapp ended up doing last half of the year. Allen is just continuing the status quo. There’ll be more end-arounds and 7 step drops, he’ll be different than Knapp in play-calling. But he is predictable and not brilliant.
State of Raider Nation is….just happy to have Knapp gone. Many of you happy to just accept and embrace someone ‘else’. No longer are we forward-thinking and aggressive-minded, demanding brilliant minds. Sad state of affairs.
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We’ll still cheer for our team, yet secretly covet other more successful and stable organizations.
For some reason, complaining about it just feels good…yet frustrating.
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If you covet other teams i feel worse for you who do.
I love how when someone expresses negative/realist opinions of raiders players/coaches he is suddenly not a real fan. It’s the same poison that existed “on that forbidden site” rfnet. Get banned for it, censored. Iraq minister of defense type BS.
If you havent noticed, the Raiders are in a bad way! We’ve just come off a 4-12 (really more like 2-14) season, breaking multiple franchise records for patheticness, things never achieved before in 40+ years of the org’s existence. There may be silver linings ahead, but no one can pretend that things are all rosy and people shouldn’t be complaining. When things are good, things are good, people arent complaining. When things are bad they’re bad, people complain. If you haven’t noticed, we’re BAD and deserve complaint and criticism.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
EMRaiders
If Gruden does come back, he keeps Olson.
Why?
Gruden hand picked Olson to coach his QBs in Tampa. Greg Olson replaced Paul Hackett under Gruden’s watch.
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Maybe this is all the first influx of the Gruden regime.
Reggie forced DA to hire Olson cuz that’s who Gruden wants. Gruden one of his guys to be at the Senior Bowl in advance of the announcement following the game.
The reason Gruden wasn’t announced already is because he’s wrapping things up with ESPN and finishing the particulars of the contract with the Raiders.
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2014 is Raiders year.. Gruden is back
January 19th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Gil Brandt mocks Geno number 3. He must know something.
Gruden wants GENO.. sit him for a year till Gruden comes .
let him learn behind Palmer
January 19th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
All this talk of great OC’s name me a great oc that didnt have a good to great QB
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Matt Cavanaugh, OC Baltimore Ravens – Trent Dilfer?
Defense says a lot, doesnt it?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
EMRaiders
If Gruden does come back, he keeps Olson.
Why?
Gruden hand picked Olson to coach his QBs in Tampa. Greg Olson replaced Paul Hackett under Gruden’s watch.
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Maybe this is all the first influx of the Gruden regime.
Reggie forced DA to hire Olson cuz that’s who Gruden wants. Gruden one of his guys to be at the Senior Bowl in advance of the announcement following the game.
The reason Gruden wasn’t announced already is because he’s wrapping things up with ESPN and finishing the particulars of the contract with the Raiders.
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2014 is Raiders year.. Gruden is back
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Alas THE MASTER PLAN IS REVEALED!
LOL
January 19th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
a little sad to watch people think Gruden would come back here…
JUST BECAUSE he happened to become famous here.
He will go to the franchise with the biggest pay-check and the best chance to win.
We will not be that franchise.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Accepting mediocrity is not admirable tho. Accepting the p*ss on your backs as rain, and smear-campaigning a true raider fan like yourselves just because he voices dismay at the proven track-record of an OC hire.
Al got angry with Cable for celebrating 8-8, said .500 is a loser mentality. Knapp/Olson type hires, their track-records as OC, is mediocrity or worse. Their offenses consistently ranked from #20 to #30.
The rudder on the pirate ship is wonky.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
By Levi Damien on Jan 18, 11:12p
One side note to all this is Olson worked under John Gruden in Tampa Bay for his last season. Gruden has spoken with the Raiders a lot lately which leads one to believe there may have been a glowing recommendation for Olson in those conversations at some point which led to the initial interest and eventual hiring”
Per Raider beat writer.. all the Gruden noise a month.. back.. doubter saying Gruden aint talking.
BOOM!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Olson runs a hybrid system. Like Knapp ended up doing last half of the year. Allen is just continuing the status quo. There’ll be more end-arounds and 7 step drops, he’ll be different than Knapp in play-calling. But he is predictable and not brilliant.
State of Raider Nation is….just happy to have Knapp gone. Many of you happy to just accept and embrace someone ‘else’. No longer are we forward-thinking and aggressive-minded, demanding brilliant minds. Sad state of affairs.
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We’ll still cheer for our team, yet secretly covet other more successful and stable organizations.
For some reason, complaining about it just feels good…yet frustrating.
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If you covet other teams i feel worse for you who do.
I love how when someone expresses negative/realist opinions of raiders players/coaches he is suddenly not a real fan. It’s the same poison that existed “on that forbidden site” rfnet. Get banned for it, censored. Iraq minister of defense type BS.
If you havent noticed, the Raiders are in a bad way! We’ve just come off a 4-12 (really more like 2-14) season, breaking multiple franchise records for patheticness, things never achieved before in 40+ years of the org’s existence. There may be silver linings ahead, but no one can pretend that things are all rosy and people shouldn’t be complaining. When things are good, things are good, people arent complaining. When things are bad they’re bad, people complain. If you haven’t noticed, we’re BAD and deserve complaint and criticism.
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We deserve complaint, criticism, and that definitely is going to turn our organization around.
its being going on since 2003.
CARRY ON, THEN. WE DESERVE COMPLAINT AND CRITICISM.
With that being said, we can also enjoy superior football played elsewhere until our era returns. Complaining isnt going to make that happen any faster, but i understand the frustration.
Fair enough?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson, for Dennis Allen. Not for Jon Gruden. That makes zero sense.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
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He misunderstood the Rooney Rule. He thought he had to interview with us because black is one of the team colors.
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Its called Leverage. Upping his contract with Da Bears and it worked. Plus he would only last 1 yr here anyway b4 splitting.
NO legit OC wnats to work with DA
January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
By Levi Damien on Jan 18, 11:12p
One side note to all this is Olson worked under John Gruden in Tampa Bay for his last season. Gruden has spoken with the Raiders a lot lately which leads one to believe there may have been a glowing recommendation for Olson in those conversations at some point which led to the initial interest and eventual hiring”
Per Raider beat writer.. all the Gruden noise a month.. back.. doubter saying Gruden aint talking.
BOOM!
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Its like Allen already knows he is on borrowed time, if thats the case. Hell, he might even stay on as DC if Gruden is hired at this point!!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
The Raiders essentially announced on their Olsen bio is bringing in the PBS scheme.
The question on the other side is sticking 4-3 or moving to 3-4? I know.. they all say ‘multiple’, but there is a ‘base’ D alignment that you build your roster around and we were 4-3 in 2012, but there have been rumblings to move to 3-4, Tarver comes from 3-4 background.
That decision obviously has a huge impact on upcoming free agent signings and what sort of players are targeted in the draft.
Due to trying to be as ’stealth’ as possible, Reggie/DA/JT likely won’t say which until after the draft. The pending LB coach hire might give a hint from his background.
Personally, I don’t know if we have the personnel to go 3-4, although there will be major turnover on defense and alot of new players in the starting lineup next year. If they want to go 3-4 there are questions whether to sign Bryant (more of a 4-3 DT) or Shownasty (can play 3-4 DE), is Houston an effective 3-4 DE?, draft a NT?, acquire a stable of linebackers including 2 new OLB’s.
What say you?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RaiderSam
Mike McCoy ran a great offense with Tim Tebow.
Todd Haley / Weiss got 27 Td, 7 Int, + playoffs from Cassel.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
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He misunderstood the Rooney Rule. He thought he had to interview with us because black is one of the team colors.
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Its called Leverage. Upping his contract with Da Bears and it worked. Plus he would only last 1 yr here anyway b4 splitting.
NO legit OC wnats to work with DA
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So now the Montreal Alouettes dominance, and a blow out loss to the Bucs in the Super Bowl make him “legit”?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Listen…
Greg Olson is about to turn 52 -hard to believe but he is 2 years older than Knapp- and has done nothing of relevance in 11 years in the NFL, the bright guys usually rise quickly and don’t bounce around like Olson has -7 stops in 11 years- we are all hoping the guy works out, but nobody can deny it’s a tough sell.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Reggie needs to stop with the damn excuses and get it done….period
DA hired this guy because he said he wanted the right guy for the job. I don’t want to hear he had to concede anything this is the guy he hsaid he wantd to hire and for all intent and purposes I think he had this guy pegged out of the gate. He didn’t wnat Turner or anyone else he felt would be a threat. That’s my opinion………..period
So if the guy stinks it up HE IS RESPONSIBLE…………period
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RaiderSam
Mike McCoy ran a great offense with Tim Tebow.
Todd Haley / Weiss got 27 Td, 7 Int, + playoffs from Cassel.
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We’ll have to see then, right? McCoy also got a safe dropped on top of him by the Pats defense, and Haley was run right out of Pitt. Cassel was atrocious once WEISS was out of there, not Haley.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Listen…
Greg Olson is about to turn 52 -hard to believe but he is 2 years older than Knapp- and has done nothing of relevance in 11 years in the NFL, the bright guys usually rise quickly and don’t bounce around like Olson has -7 stops in 11 years- we are all hoping the guy works out, but nobody can deny it’s a tough sell.
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Well said.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Great OCs and DCs were LAUGHING at our job offers or leaving ASAP from Oakland LONG before Allen showed up.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
I think we’re realistically 2 years from being a “well-regarded” team.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
193, really dont care about youre opinion Now, we will check in next fall, boys may be 3 and 1,lol.. RAIDERS
January 19th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Listen…
Greg Olson is about to turn 52 -hard to believe but he is 2 years older than Knapp- and has done nothing of relevance in 11 years in the NFL, the bright guys usually rise quickly and don’t bounce around like Olson has -7 stops in 11 years- we are all hoping the guy works out, but nobody can deny it’s a tough sell.
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Thank you!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Sam
your argument is to point out one game where the O didn’t play well in those coach’s careers.
Or to say a team fired one of them. As if getting fired means anything (OCs Hue, Norv, Bruce Arians, current Falcons OC).
January 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
The reason someone bounces around the way this guy has is because of the lack of success. He is getting fired because he cannot bring the desired results………..period
January 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Papertiger
totally agree. The Raiders plan is to be decent in 2014. Mark knows this (alluded to why he gave out 3-year contracts and won’t fire them before that).
This roster is garbage, we were 2-8 outside weak AFC West last year, and have been blown out in every big game last 3 years.
Years away.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
We’ll be a well-regarded team ‘when/if’ we’re in LA, with a new owner, sell outs every week, consistent 10+ win seasons, big FA signings, cap room, and our front office is constantly losing people to other team who seek to hire their cap guys, personnel guys, assistant coaches, like the Falcons currently.
But our identity has mainly been the OAKLAND raiders, a hated working-class region, dark, rebellious, an outsider, defying the odds and adversities. If we can remain that and win is much better than becoming a family-friendly Hollywood type of LA team.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
aiderSam Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Because Trestman didn’t want to come here.
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So why did he interview?
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He misunderstood the Rooney Rule. He thought he had to interview with us because black is one of the team colors.
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Its called Leverage. Upping his contract with Da Bears and it worked. Plus he would only last 1 yr here anyway b4 splitting.
NO legit OC wnats to work with DA
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So now the Montreal Alouettes dominance, and a blow out loss to the Bucs in the Super Bowl make him “legit”?
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that blowout loss was preceeded by 18 games that produced the best O in raider history
January 19th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
uhhh, thanks so much priestt! You said what everyone already knows! Wow!
There are zero posts suggesting Olson is an incredible hire, but Jamarcus and DHB lover wants to argue anyways.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Great OCs and DCs were LAUGHING at our job offers or leaving ASAP from Oakland LONG before Allen showed up.
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Gruden is secretly putting this staff together behind the scenes. He’s working with Mac and Mark. Gruden will be here in ‘14. We’ll see who eats crow then. Inside source baby. More than one. Big big names coming to Oakland in ‘14.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
papertiger418 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
I think we’re realistically 2 years from being a “well-regarded” team.
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Sounds about right. A 3 year turnaround is the norm for rebuilds (total rebuilds anyway).
Coincidentally that time frame coincides (more or less) with the new LA stadium being ready, DA’s contract expiring and Gruden ready to leave ESPN. hmmm…
January 19th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
hendu Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
193, really dont care about youre opinion Now, we will check in next fall, boys may be 3 and 1,lol.. RAIDERS
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You’re not a real Raider fan. All 2012 all you did was smear-campaign Greg Knapp the moment he got hired every day of the week for 16 weeks.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
So now the Montreal Alouettes dominance, and a blow out loss to the Bucs in the Super Bowl make him “legit”?
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U better belive he is legit 17 yrs as a coach in the NFl.. including succesful OC stints. I wasnt talking about him
I was talking about Norv Turner , Wizenhunt, Carmiachel.
Wizehnut sucked as coach but he was good OC in pitt
January 19th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
The Raiders essentially announced on their Olsen bio is bringing in the PBS scheme.
The question on the other side is sticking 4-3 or moving to 3-4? I know.. they all say ‘multiple’, but there is a ‘base’ D alignment that you build your roster around and we were 4-3 in 2012, but there have been rumblings to move to 3-4, Tarver comes from 3-4 background.
That decision obviously has a huge impact on upcoming free agent signings and what sort of players are targeted in the draft.
Due to trying to be as ’stealth’ as possible, Reggie/DA/JT likely won’t say which until after the draft. The pending LB coach hire might give a hint from his background.
Personally, I don’t know if we have the personnel to go 3-4, although there will be major turnover on defense and alot of new players in the starting lineup next year. If they want to go 3-4 there are questions whether to sign Bryant (more of a 4-3 DT) or Shownasty (can play 3-4 DE), is Houston an effective 3-4 DE?, draft a NT?, acquire a stable of linebackers including 2 new OLB’s.
What say you?
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my Raider 3-4 conversion theory
NT Star Loutelelei at 3
DT Margus Hunt at 3rd round
OLB Brandon Jenkins in 4th round
T/G Terron Armstead in 6th or Alec Ogletree
S Ray Ray Armstrong in 7th
sign Ricky Jean Francois, play Shaughnessey at the other LE, Manny Lawson to rejoin former position coach Tarver, in Oakland.
get Alex Grant in middle and pair him with Burris and allow Wheeler to walk in FA
look for Alec Ogletree to work middle or another 3-4 ILB (Michael Mauti might be worth a gamble if he comes back from ACL injury – tore it up at Penn St.)
look for sleeper picks Quanterus Smith, Cory Grissom, Baker Steinkuhler, Vaughn Telemaque, Kemal Ishmael (Cent Florida) and Deone Bucannon (Wash St.)
January 19th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
BillyBobJoe Unplugged Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Great OCs and DCs were LAUGHING at our job offers or leaving ASAP from Oakland LONG before Allen showed up.
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Gruden is secretly putting this staff together behind the scenes. He’s working with Mac and Mark. Gruden will be here in ‘14. We’ll see who eats crow then. Inside source baby. More than one. Big big names coming to Oakland in ‘14.
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Deluded.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Deluded.
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Keep on saying that till it happens..
By Levi Damien on Jan 18, 11:12p
One side note to all this is Olson worked under John Gruden in Tampa Bay for his last season. Gruden has spoken with the Raiders a lot lately which leads one to believe there may have been a glowing recommendation for Olson in those conversations at some point which led to the initial interest and eventual hiring”
Per Raider beat writer.. all the Gruden noise a month.. back.. doubters saying Gruden aint talking to Mark and why would he.
BOOM!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Whisenhunt kinda got to the Super Bowl.
Hard to suck as a coach when that happens unless you’re Callahan.
It’s a QB league, and he won when he had one.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Getting hired from one team toanother is one thing but if he’s getting fired the wya Knapp was all the time. That is a horse of a different color…period
We all know this is a tight fraternity and it’s not what you know it’s WHO you know. Some of these coaches like Knapp have a lot of friends and they always land on their feet. That is just those frinds looking out for each other and keeping talented coaches OUT.
Everyone knows Knapp sucks but he does what he is told and he’s a good ol’ boy. He will always get a job while others can coach rings around him but they tend to have a bit of wild side(Hue Jackson) we all know who the better coach is but Knapp will get 3 jobs before HJ will one.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
So now the Montreal Alouettes dominance, and a blow out loss to the Bucs in the Super Bowl make him “legit”?
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U better belive he is legit 17 yrs as a coach in the NFl.. including succesful OC stints. I wasnt talking about him
I was talking about Norv Turner , Wizenhunt, Carmiachel.
Wizehnut sucked as coach but he was good OC in pitt
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Yeah, Trestman was successful. Turner was successful, Wisenhunt and Charmichael. I believe Whisenhunt was interviewed, but didnt accept bc he couldnt pick his staff – we see how that worked out.
Charmichael was approached about the head coaching job.
Just have to see how it plays out. Easy to judge after past successes with different personnel, but harder to predict with new personnel and rookies coming in…have to see how Olson and Palmer develop.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Knapps hire had an odor. Olsons hire does not. Nor does April’s. But it does ring of Grudens doing. Granted nobody wanted to come here, I’d say Gruden did all right.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Whisenhunt kinda got to the Super Bowl.
Hard to suck as a coach when that happens unless you’re Callahan.
It’s a QB league, and he won when he had one.
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Whisenhunt had a QB in Arizona? (after Warner retired)
January 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Gruden secretly got Kiffin hired in Dallas! And Marinelli! he’s getting the crew together for 2014 when Garrett is finally fired.
Easy.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Ive come to learn if we kinda think its B.S. it probaly is.
Since day 1.. ppl here said KNAPP was mistake. DMAC not a ZBS runner.
well Reggie himself just said the same things about 2 days ago. LOL wtf? Fans know this shyyt
January 19th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Gruden is never .. NEVER gonna work under Jerry Jones.. he needs to work under an owner that give him reign like Jed York gives Harbaugh
January 19th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
BillyBobJoe Unplugged Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Knapps hire had an odor. Olsons hire does not. Nor does April’s. But it does ring of Grudens doing. Granted nobody wanted to come here, I’d say Gruden did all right.
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So that meant, Gruden probably advised Davis-McKenzie to take this guy. Davis has already spoken, so the “He’s under contract” comment after the Saints game meant that Allen and McKenzie have been put on alert that if they eff the season up… Chucky is coming
and hell’s comin with him.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Raiders are getting ready for hte senior bowl
and Whiners getting ready for Championship game.
Cant wait till Raiders get back.. if they ever do
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
That’s why RoB Ryan can walk around and bragg about how fast he can get a job. Let Hue Jackson who is just as good at what he does as Ryan but he better not EVER think of being nearly as arrogant. Yet Ryans gets hired right away the Rams just hired him. So he knows he can get away with it. Knapp hired before he misses a paycheck and he sucks to high heavens.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
it was in reggies press conference last week that he said early on in the process he reached out to gauge turners interest and he wasnt interested….so they moved on….
its a little confusing because they got the transcript of the press conference wrong and posted it as ……..”reached out to gauge turners interest and he was interested….so they moved on…
i
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Whisenhunt won when he had a QB.
Lost when he didn’t.
Like every other decent HC.
FWIW, was 4-0 this year with Kolb playing well til Kolb got injured.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Gruden is already in the ‘13 draft room and drawing up Allen’s roster. Gruden in ‘14 baby.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Yep..
Reggie probaly told Mark.. give “my guy” one more year and mark probaly agreed.. it would look bad after 1 year.
now this season.. No Execuses from Reggie.. Mark is gonna have a quick trigger finger…
plus it doesnt help a bunch fans yelling bring back gruden to Mark Davis at the games lol
January 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Gruden secretly got Kiffin hired in Dallas! And Marinelli! he’s getting the crew together for 2014 when Garrett is finally fired.
Easy.
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BillyBobJoe is a troll.
Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson, for Dennis Allen. To suggest Dennis Allen is hiring his replacement HC’s staff is stupid.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Actually, Reggie just admitted in the press conference that the cap is still one year away from being normal. They have zero pro-bowlers and yet they are at the cap limit.
It started as a 3-year plan and it still is.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Yep..
Reggie probaly told Mark.. give “my guy” one more year and mark probaly agreed.. it would look bad after 1 year.
now this season.. No Execuses from Reggie.. Mark is gonna have a quick trigger finger…
plus it doesnt help a bunch fans yelling bring back gruden to Mark Davis at the games lol
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Ya think? So he shows up, lights the flame..throws high fives everywhere to the crowd. Think he was running for office!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5D_12sjLlk
January 19th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
BillyBobJoe Unplugged Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Knapps hire had an odor. Olsons hire does not.
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knapps hire was like being at a landfill on a hot sticky day
olsen hire is like smelling the milk in the fridge when your just not quite sure if its still good enough to drink
January 19th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
They have zero pro bowlers cuz they went to that ZBS .. DMAC had a chance this year to be a pro bowler..
and Reggie will be safe for 4 more yrs.. DA not so much.. U start off 0-4 it is not gonna be good
January 19th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
just like John Madden, Sam. Maybe Madden’s coming back in ‘14!!!!
Or maybe Mark already said it’s a 3-year plan and he’s not firing either one before then.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Why would anyone take Manti Te;o b4 Alec Olgetree from Georgia
He balled out against BAMA
January 19th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Gruden secretly got Kiffin hired in Dallas! And Marinelli! he’s getting the crew together for 2014 when Garrett is finally fired.
Easy.
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BillyBobJoe is a troll.
Dennis Allen hired Greg Olson, for Dennis Allen. To suggest Dennis Allen is hiring his replacement HC’s staff is stupid.
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Allen is the man. No doubt about that. For how long is up to how this team follows his lead and the development of the staff strategy.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
everyone has “a chance” to be a pro-bowler.
But we’ve had no legit ones since 2002. Special teams…bleh.
Yet Davis maxed out our cap every year and traded away future draft picks.
For zero pro-bowlers in a decade.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
just like John Madden, Sam. Maybe Madden’s coming back in ‘14!!!!
Or maybe Mark already said it’s a 3-year plan and he’s not firing either one before then.
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Stranger things have happened. Who wouldve thought they would move to L.A….then move back 13 years later?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Very interesting Insider piece by Trent Dilfer. He puts Tampa Bay’s Greg Olson at the top of his list of underrated play callers in the NFL.
I’m glad Dilfer points this out because I don’t think Olson has gotten the recognition he deserves. Last year, he got plenty of production out of an offense that featured quarterback Josh Freeman, receiver Mike Williams and running back LeGarrette Blount, who each were in their first season as a starter.
I wasn’t crazy about Olson’s play calling in the season opener against Detroit, but head coach Raheem Morris is at least partly responsible for the decision to go to the two-minute offense early and abandon the running game. Against Minnesota last week, Olson stuck with Blount and the running game in the second half and it paid off.
Olson is a very good play caller and will only get better as the Bucs develop some of their young receivers to complement Williams. Is Olson the best play caller in the NFC South?
Probably not. That honor belongs to New Orleans head coach Sean Payton, who calls his own plays. But you can’t call Payton underrated because he’s been known as an offensive guru for a long time.
I’m not sure you can call Atlanta’s Mike Mularkey or Carolina’s Rob Chudzinski underrated for different reasons. Mularkey’s had good results with the Atlanta offense the past three seasons, but the deep passing game has yet to click this year, so there still are some questions to be answered. Although Chudzinski is in his first season as Carolina’s coordinator and off to a good start, it’s not like he’s flying under the radar. He came into this job with a lot of respect from around the league and was fairly well known by fans.
That’s not quite the same rise Olson has had. He started off as Tampa Bay’s quarterbacks coach in 2009, but suddenly was thrust into the coordinator’s job when Jeff Jagodzinski was fired in training camp.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/25371/dilfer-greg-olson-underrated-play-ca
January 19th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
maybe REGGIE take OFFENSE with his 1st draft pick??
everyone assumes its gonna be defense
January 19th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
all those guys ran top ranked O’s at one point in time on their rise to HC positions
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Wisenhunt had Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin. Rode Pittsburgh’s D and the bus to a HC gig.
Turner had Emmitt, Aikman, and Irvin.
These cats TEAMS were good.
Norvell said it himself. Once Sproles, Jackson, and the rest of the talent left SD, he couldn’t win, lol.
Pretty sure Olson would be on his way to a HC gig with that talent from those cats “stud” years.
Willies and Joes!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
But our identity has mainly been the OAKLAND raiders, a hated working-class region, dark, rebellious, an outsider, defying the odds and adversities. If we can remain that and win is much better than becoming a family-friendly Hollywood type of LA team.
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Family friendly but certainly not disney-like. LA is *the* freak show – Harleys, Tatoos and Tough-Glam is the ‘mainstream’. Reality shows featuring bikers. Teen pop stars with tattoos. Ozzy had his own reality show for chrssst sake. I think the Raiders image plays *very well* in LA in that set – tough, nasty, gritty, maybe even somewhat illegal but certainly ‘acceptable’ and marketable if done properly. Like Darth Vader (Mal) in Star Wars, he’s the ‘bad guy’ but all the cool kids want to be him on Halloween. Like ‘The Rock’ in wrestling or Ice Cube. Tough guy bad azz and gang banger but not the ‘real kind’, ya know..
It’s a new era in the NFL and the ’small tough industrial town’ thing really only works in Pittburgh these days anyway and that’s because they’re the only game in town. Or maybe Green Bay but in the whole state they’re the only game in town.
The LA move is really the only ‘realistic’ way to put the Raiders back in the mainstream – where it belongs. I love the Oakland Coliseum and wish we could be the old Raiders and stick a finger to the rest of the league like we did in 70/80’s but that ship has sailed (pun intended). Let’s rebuild the Death Star (great nickname for the stadium) in LA and start dominating like the old days – lets be the ‘bad guys’ but with the weight of Hollywood glam, marketing and LA money behind us.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Allday
if our schedule next year starts at Denver, Giants, Colts, and Texans…
you think anyone will blink if we’re 0-4??
Be real.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
if our schedule next year starts at Denver, Giants, Colts, and Texans…
you think anyone will blink if we’re 0-4??
Be real.
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u are kidding urself if Mark will think differently
January 19th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Priest,
Maybe DA looked at SDs offense and wasn’t impressed?
Didn’t our offense just outperform his in the last game with the guy we just fired?
Norvell has been the butt of so many jokes in here I really can’t believe this stance that we missed by telling hi to F off.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
You guys should be smarter than to be emotionally taken advantage of by a troll, should be smarter than to adamantly accept those posts and running with it, saying, “yay it’s confirmation that gruden is coming back.”
If Gruden does come back, THIS is no sign of it.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Billybobjoe is Norco Bob singing his same sad song….
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Who cares about the texans.. Hue beat them…. Denver could be beat in week 1.
that MNF game could have been won against denver.. they just fell apart like they always do and had mediocre offense with the ZBS
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
243, I could Not stand youre boy Knapp based on his prior history with the Raiders… You do make me lmfao w/ youre junk statements
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
No fair to criticize or think less of Raiders for not being able to reel in Trestman.
C’mon. Raiders offering (IF they offered) the OC job. Bears offering HC job.
I’m surprised this is even an issue at all.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
So tired about hearing the stupid texans.. and all the crap KNAPP tried to bring.
“Well when i was with the texans” blah blah.. fck em
January 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
BACK IN BLACK we don’t have half full Attendance in Oakland!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Priest,
Maybe DA looked at SDs offense and wasn’t impressed?
Didn’t our offense just outperform his in the last game with the guy we just fired?
Norvell has been the butt of so many jokes in here I really can’t believe this stance that we missed by telling hi to F off.
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Jhiil come on man, you’re better than this. He should’ve compared it to his own. Norv Turner would coach rings aeound this BUM he just hired what’s wrong with you?
January 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
alexis must be sad…no more zbs…poor child.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
texaints choked again…
January 19th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
BillyBobJoe Unplugged Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Knapps hire had an odor. Olsons hire does not.
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knapps hire was like being at a landfill on a hot sticky day
olsen hire is like smelling the milk in the fridge when your just not quite sure if its still good enough to drink
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Good analogy :thumbs up:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
That was TP my man, it wasn’t much of what Knapp was doing it was what TP was doing with it.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
NFL networks
Bucky Brooks, and Charles Davis
both have J Jones from Georgia going to the Raiders
January 19th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Knapp is another trying to use something he’s not good at to get him by!
January 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Norv Turner Jhill has never been a good HC but give him your offense and your QB ans he is second to none. One has to know his role and all this does is tell me Reggie nor DA have a freakin clue what it is they tying to accomplish and how to go about it.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
lol allday
yes, anyone “could” be beat.
But if we start 0-4 because we happen to have our schedule front-loaded with Giants, Texans, Colts, and Broncos…
no smart person would care. If we have for easy games and start 3-1 then lose those SAME 4 games to the Giants, Texans, Colts, and Broncos…
no smart person would freak out. We’re a 7-9 team next year at BEST.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
hendu Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
243, I could Not stand youre boy Knapp based on his prior history with the Raiders… You do make me lmfao w/ youre junk statements
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Shows how out of touch you are. I hated Knapp, and like you and 90% of everyone else, was slamming the hire all last year, every week.
I guess you’re just like that…it’s okay for you to be negative about a hire, but not okay for someone else to be negative about a hire.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Accepting mediocrity is not admirable tho. Accepting the p*ss on your backs as rain, and smear-campaigning a true raider fan like yourselves just because he voices dismay at the proven track-record of an OC hire.
Al got angry with Cable for celebrating 8-8, said .500 is a loser mentality. Knapp/Olson type hires, their track-records as OC, is mediocrity or worse. Their offenses consistently ranked from #20 to #30.
The rudder on the pirate ship is wonky.
………..
Its a mess… team is cash strapped and void of talent across the board. Its not just starters, its low talent 2nd and 3rd string as well.
Any coach knows that coming here will be a long term project and they have no guarantee they won’t be chopped for lack of progress.
Bargain Basement is all they can get.
They will build through the draft, get out of the salary cap hell, and then they will fire DA and this entire crappy staff and bring in a real coach.
Just have to make do until the pieces are in place.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
all those guys ran top ranked O’s at one point in time on their rise to HC positions
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Wisenhunt had Warner, Fitzgerald, and Boldin. Rode Pittsburgh’s D and the bus to a HC gig.
Turner had Emmitt, Aikman, and Irvin.
These cats TEAMS were good.
Norvell said it himself. Once Sproles, Jackson, and the rest of the talent left SD, he couldn’t win, lol.
Pretty sure Olson would be on his way to a HC gig with that talent from those cats “stud” years.
Willies and Joes!
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ok….so your saying you would rather have olsen as OC than turner, wizenhunt, trestman, mcdaniels, haley and carmichael
im saying i will take every one of those guys and a few i didnt mention…and some i never heard of….before olsen
we will see what pans out
January 19th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
So tired about hearing the stupid texans.. and all the crap KNAPP tried to bring.
“Well when i was with the texans” blah blah.. fck em
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Or “When I got to SF right when they were wrapping up their run of 5 Super Bowls”.
I defy anyone to find ONE SINGLE INTERVIEW with the Raiders where he didn’t drop at least one reference to a past team he worked with.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Al
I’ll gladly watch the ZBS Patriots and the option-read 49ers tomorrow.
Any system works if you teach it well.
January 19th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
no smart person would freak out. We’re a 7-9 team next year at BEST.
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Ya im sure Mark wouldnt be having pressers after the 4th game..
he would just wait till they are 2-7 .. no way they win 7 games.. more like 5. U are not gonna get 2 gimme games from the queefs
January 19th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Andy Reid has a 22-28 record without McNabb.
I am NOT concerned about that team long-term.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
“I was working with a kid named Arian Foster at the time..maybe you’ve heard of him”.
-Greg Knapp-circa 2012.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Accepting mediocrity is not admirable tho. Accepting the p*ss on your backs as rain, and smear-campaigning a true raider fan like yourselves just because he voices dismay at the proven track-record of an OC hire.
Al got angry with Cable for celebrating 8-8, said .500 is a loser mentality. Knapp/Olson type hires, their track-records as OC, is mediocrity or worse. Their offenses consistently ranked from #20 to #30.
The rudder on the pirate ship is wonky.
………..
Its a mess… team is cash strapped and void of talent across the board. Its not just starters, its low talent 2nd and 3rd string as well.
Any coach knows that coming here will be a long term project and they have no guarantee they won’t be chopped for lack of progress.
Bargain Basement is all they can get.
They will build through the draft, get out of the salary cap hell, and then they will fire DA and this entire crappy staff and bring in a real coach.
Just have to make do until the pieces are in place.
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Yep, true picture is….we have to embrace the pain for another season, or two, or three, seeing more OC/DC turnovers, maybe another HC change, roster will change a lot over 3 years, there’ll be like a handful of players leftover from the pre-Reggie era. We were more like a 3-13 team last year. Gifted a win against Jaguars by the officials. We’ll see more 2-5 win seasons. Just have to put the leather between our teeth and bite till the pain is over.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
yep. Our roster isn’t good. Won’t be that much better next year (we don’t have the $ or pull to bring in top FA).
I’ve been setting sights on 2014 since LAST year.
Deal with it
January 19th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
now youre adding option read…lmao…give up
son.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
No fair to criticize or think less of Raiders for not being able to reel in Trestman.
C’mon. Raiders offering (IF they offered) the OC job. Bears offering HC job.
I’m surprised this is even an issue at all.
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Here’s another coach stepping out of his element. Trestman is an outstanding OC he is a terrible HC. Because he is a studious teacher and not a leader. Norv has that same problem one of the few who could overcome this was Bill Walsh. If Trestman can transcend this flaw he will be wildly successful. But my bet is he cannot. They think too much and it hinders their ability to lead.
Trestman is a genius, but he cannot motivate at least at this level he has not been able to do so. If he has learn that art then the Bears will be hell on wheels.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders talked to Turner and he said he wasn’t interested.Why is he even being brought up now.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Yep.. there is something to be said about being a Leader of men. a HC is that to effect.
Thats why cable / hue was the perfect combo. Cable was the leader.. Hue X n O type.
Even Bill Romo and Lorenzo neal didnt think that DA connected with his players last year.. said he needs to do more of that this year.
Will be interesting to hear DA mix it up wtith the players at the senior bowl
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Everyone thinks the NINERS gonna win tomorow.
Gonna be an interesting game.
ATLANTA is no joke. watchout niner fans
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
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ok….so your saying you would rather have olsen as OC than turner, wizenhunt, trestman, mcdaniels, haley and carmichael
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McDaniels would have been a GREAT hire. I already said that.
Norvell just left the damn Chargers. No I don’t want him.
I would have preferred Martz of the names we heard.
None of it matters unless we upgrade the talent on offense, imo.
Willies and Joes.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
Bill Romo also said this:
“Raiders need to build their entire offense around Darren McFadden. McFadden will never be a 10-plus carry guy.”
So we build an offense around a guy that carries the ball 10 times or less?
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
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ok….so your saying you would rather have olsen as OC than turner, wizenhunt, trestman, mcdaniels, haley and carmichael
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McDaniels would have been a GREAT hire. I already said that.
Norvell just left the damn Chargers. No I don’t want him.
I would have preferred Martz of the names we heard.
None of it matters unless we upgrade the talent on offense, imo.
Willies and Joes.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Raidersallday post 309 well said I to heard romo and Neal say that a few times this year Tits is in way over his head he will be fired at seasons end I have no faith in him and mccheeseburger
January 19th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Dennis Allen at the Senior Bowl…
Tuck your shirt in
Pull your socks up
Dont forget to wear clean underwear before you step on the field
Get back to your locker young man and change out of that outfit
You must be in bed by 9pm sharp, anyone found with smartphones will have them confiscated
Now go up to him and apologize for saying that, shake hands you two
Comb your hair
Go to your room
January 19th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
any new passengers on the fire reggie train? im giving away free passes and shirts…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
315…we are gonna do this right..
January 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Raiders hire former Off Coord who is now a position coach….. Sound Familiar exactly the path Knapp took to come back to Raiders…… I’m closing my eyes and nose this time
January 19th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
If u guys think u know how this season will playout.. “Guess what” u may be right just like last yr
January 19th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
there were only a few who knew how last year turned out…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
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ok….so your saying you would rather have olsen as OC than turner, wizenhunt, trestman, mcdaniels, haley and carmichael
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McDaniels would have been a GREAT hire. I already said that.
Norvell just left the damn Chargers. No I don’t want him.
I would have preferred Martz of the names we heard.
None of it matters unless we upgrade the talent on offense, imo.
Willies and Joes.
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I would have liked martz too….I know alot of folks dont like martz but I would have really like to see palmer and mcfadden work in his O
January 19th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Dennis Allen at the Senior Bowl…
Tuck your shirt in
Pull your socks up
Dont forget to wear clean underwear before you step on the field
Get back to your locker young man and change out of that outfit
You must be in bed by 9pm sharp, anyone found with smartphones will have them confiscated
Now go up to him and apologize for saying that, shake hands you two
Comb your hair
Go to your room
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And everyone gets a commemorative ‘Senior Bowl’ sharpie
January 19th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
I have yet to read one quote by Turner saying he wasn’t interested BEFORE they talked. He said it AFTER they talked because he knew they didn’t want him.
I happen to believe this may have been his first choice but he was rebuffed so why continue to pursue something you know wont happen
January 19th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Really? I remember it as about 90% of people who knew Knapp was a bad hire, Allen and Reggie would suck as rookies, and we’d bottom-out immediately.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Everyone thinks the NINERS gonna win tomorow.
Gonna be an interesting game.
ATLANTA is no joke. watchout niner fans
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GO DIRTY BIRDS!
January 19th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
#317 and #322
lol
January 19th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
ldiabs Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Raiders hire former Off Coord who is now a position coach….. Sound Familiar exactly the path Knapp took to come back to Raiders…… I’m closing my eyes and nose this time
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Im not keen on DA, tarver or olsen…….but its already better than last year….of course if you take away the jag and steeler games we shouldnt have one we really only beat one team…….that being said welcome your 6-10 oakland raiders…….fans get lose-lose proposition…..enough loses so our season is over by halloween…..just by a hair enough wins to save DA’s ass for another season
January 19th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
DA wasn’t going to hire Martz man come on, do you have any idea about Martz history? He is very stubborn he believes in what he believes in and he will defy the HC at times when he believes something will work.
Martz is a mad scientist and he has a high flying system that takes all kind sof chances. When it’s on it’s incredible to watch and DA would never be able to control MARTZ.
Trestman is the same way he puts in way too many plays and the players sometimes get overwhelmed. That’ what he has to guard against. Overwhelming his talent and they get hesitant.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
I have yet to read one quote by Turner saying he wasn’t interested BEFORE they talked. He said it AFTER they talked because he knew they didn’t want him.
I happen to believe this may have been his first choice but he was rebuffed so why continue to pursue something you know wont happen
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priest……its in reggies transcript….early on reggie reached out to norv and he said he wasnt interested….so reggie moved on
January 19th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
I read that transcriptit never says he reached and and Norv wasn’t interested. It says they talked just like they talked to others. Now as to who wasn’t interested is never even mentioned.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
DA wasn’t going to hire Martz man come on, do you have any idea about Martz history? He is very stubborn he believes in what he believes in and he will defy the HC at times when he believes something will work.
Martz is a mad scientist and he has a high flying system that takes all kind sof chances. When it’s on it’s incredible to watch and DA would never be able to control MARTZ.
Trestman is the same way he puts in way too many plays and the players sometimes get overwhelmed. That’ what he has to guard against. Overwhelming his talent and they get hesitant.
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agreed….I wasnt expecting it because you can tell DA could not have that strong a personality on the team…
that being said I was thinking it was possible saunders recommended him and the two would work together on O and DA would keep his nose out of it….or be told to keep out if he wants to retain his job
January 19th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Here’s some insight for the draft:
OL–veldheer, wiz, brisiel, and bergstrom are locks. Bergstrom either slides in at LG or RT. S we need the other one. Nix is a possibility too but hard for me to imagine them deciding bergstrom AND nix are starters right now. So this could be our top draft need. Joekel or Warmack.
TE–they address this thru Myers, ausberry, or FA.
WR–a bunch of young guys who may not ever be a #1. Moore could be traded. Dhb could be cut. Draft won’t give us an immediate #1 so it’s the biggest FA acquisition.
RB–we have our guys.
QB–wouldn’t surprise me to see us get a qb in 4th or 5th to compete with Pryor.
DL–Seymour’s gone but not sure about Kelly. Bilukidi and Bryant? Maybe a FA here. Not sure they go for Star when they two pretty good youngsters. Houston came on late. Carter did too. Carter could be back for cheap. Not sure Reggie/Allen see this as as big of a need as some here do.
LB–need another guy. Pass rushing OLB? Move Burris inside? Doubt it. I think they go they FA.
DB–Adams will start. Ross could start if they dump Huff. They really like Branch so he’s back. Need another CB.
Biggest draft possibilities? Joekel, Warmack, or Milliner.
Rest of draft will include OL depth, FB (?), QB, DL depth, LB depth, DB depth.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
I have yet to read one quote by Turner saying he wasn’t interested BEFORE they talked. He said it AFTER they talked because he knew they didn’t want him.
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When did HE say anything?
Reporter misquoted McKenzie. We heard that before the transcript came out.
Pretty obvious that Norv tried to get at us?
EVERYONE was pointing out how he was acting after the SD game. Was all up in our mix jocking Pryor and all, lol.
Wasn’t interested my arsse, lol!
January 19th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Everybody has their own spin on what Norv Turner was or was not. I want to hear NORVELL say he never wanted to come here because I think he did just based on that interaction after the game with TP. What opposing coach does that?
The truth is DA wasn’t interested….period
January 19th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
it was at the very end…..
Q: Getting back to the timing of when you’re going to have a new offensive coordinator and some of the other assistants, I’m a little unclear. How soon do you think you’re going to make…?
McKenzie: “Well, I don’t want to give a timeline. But we are in the process; things are going pretty well the last couple of days so we’ll see how it goes.”
Q: Are you still talking to Norv Turner?
McKenzie: “No. I’m saying right from the beginning when we hit this thing running at the beginning. I specifically haven’t talked to Norv. He told me he was interested. So we move on.”
Q: He took the Cleveland job today…
McKenzie: “Yes, he took it today. But guys like Norv, Marc Trestman, we had our list down. But a lot of guys…there are other jobs out there. It’s like free agency. You wish that you could get certain guys, but sometimes you don’t always get certain guys, but you’ve got a list that you feel good about and that’s where we are now.”
the transcript is in error though….was is supposed to be wasnt…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
An OC that comes to the Raiders and gets them to the playoffs consecutive years INSTANTLY becomes a hot HC candidate.
Yeah, OCs are running from this springboard.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Al
the NFL’s remaining teams represent:
ZBS (Patriots)
Zone-read (49ers)
and power-blocking (Ravens)
Last week had more ZBS and Zone-read teams.
If you’re still stuck on “one system” being better, you’re just ignorant to the realities of the NFL.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Priest–Reggie said “on the record” for the media, that turner wasn’t interested. Ur barking up the wrong tree.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
I have yet to read one quote by Turner saying he wasn’t interested BEFORE they talked. He said it AFTER they talked because he knew they didn’t want him.
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When did HE say anything?
Reporter misquoted McKenzie. We heard that before the transcript came out.
Pretty obvious that Norv tried to get at us?
EVERYONE was pointing out how he was acting after the SD game. Was all up in our mix jocking Pryor and all, lol.
Wasn’t interested my arsse, lol!
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They think everybodies stupid except them…..
January 19th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Everybody has their own spin on what Norv Turner was or was not. I want to hear NORVELL say he never wanted to come here because I think he did just based on that interaction after the game with TP. What opposing coach does that?
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What opposing coach does that?…..all of them….thats why they are coaches
January 19th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
last week is over…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
thanks Otto
Norv obviously turned us down. Cleveland does have younger talent at QB/RB/WR so no surprise.
For 15 YEARS Oakland has had to rely on young unproven coaches and coordinators or laughable retreads.
Gruden just happened to be the only one that actually panned out.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
An opposing coach saying “Nice job. Keep grinding.” to an opponent is very common. It means nothing but “nice job today. Keep at it.” They say it to everyone. It’s being cordial.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
McKenzie: “Yes, he took it today. But guys like Norv, Marc Trestman, we had our list down. But a lot of guys…there are other jobs out there. It’s like free agency. You wish that you could get certain guys, but sometimes you don’t always get certain guys, but you’ve got a list that you feel good about and that’s where we are now.”
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That also shows there was a big list ahead of Olson, as to be expected, and whether they said no or Allen said no at the idea, bottom line is Olson was a last resort hire. The best Allen could attract, or the right guy for Allen as a nondescript QB coach often fired OC like Knapp. Who runs a hybrid system of WCO/Vertical, PBS/ZBS, that Allen wants to continue with.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Just say you don’t wnaty Norv Turner, that I can understand but to try to convince people he wasn’t interested is foolish…………….period
January 19th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Al
are you having trouble with the words “remaining teams”?
Poor kid. Stuck on one system in a league where change and evolution is the norm.
You and Knapp share much in common.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Al
the NFL’s remaining teams represent:
ZBS (Patriots)
Zone-read (49ers)
and power-blocking (Ravens)
Last week had more ZBS and Zone-read teams.
If you’re still stuck on “one system” being better, you’re just ignorant to the realities of the NFL.
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you have to run the system that your personnel is best suited to run…….not force feed a system when you dont have the right skill set
January 19th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
priestt
that’s actually an ellipsis, not a period.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
thanks Otto
Norv obviously turned us down. Cleveland does have younger talent at QB/RB/WR so no surprise.
For 15 YEARS Oakland has had to rely on young unproven coaches and coordinators or laughable retreads.
Gruden just happened to be the only one that actually panned out.
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norv also got destroyed by the fan base here…..and just saw what happened to knapp……you think he wanted more of that
January 19th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Q: Are you still talking to Norv Turner?
McKenzie: “No. I’m saying right from the beginning when we hit this thing running at the beginning. I specifically haven’t talked to Norv.
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Pretty clear to me.
Since they started interviewing, he hasn’t talked to Norv.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Oottoo
to be fair, the Patriots, Packers, Texans, and other long-term successful franchises…
actually have a scheme they stick with and draft / free agent sign / teach to fit that scheme.
The personnel “you have” is only true for the first year. After that, NFL rosters have a 20% annual turnover and most coaches fit their scheme (Tampa 2, 3-4, spread, Perkins system, etc).
January 19th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Everybody has their own spin on what Norv Turner was or was not. I want to hear NORVELL say he never wanted to come here because I think he did just based on that interaction after the game with TP. What opposing coach does that?
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What opposing coach does that?…..all of them….thats why they are coaches
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Bullcrap I have never heard of a oppposing coach praising a kid before the game he has NEVER SEEN before and during the game then after. Norv went out of way to praise a kid who had not played a more than 5 downs in his career. That was way over the top….
January 19th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
For crying out loud, what is wrong with ur brain? Reggie SAID turner wasn’t interested. But u keep ignoring that.
I’m actually shocked Reggie was so forthright about Olson not being their first choice.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
When Norv said keep grinding, that tells me he wants to coach here. I could see it in his eyes. TP saw the same thing. DA was jealous of TP’s and Norv’s chemistry.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
he is just trying to save face…as dumb as mcxcuse…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Al created a poisonous environment for coaches.
We’re just stating the obvious: quality HCs, OCs, and DCs won’t want to come here for AT LEAST another 2 years until the philosophy and environment in Oakland have completely changed.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Maybe Norv was setting up the bait to attract Pryor to the Browns. Chip Kelly still in play for Pryor. Raiders could still be interested in retaining Pryor, realizing they could make him work like Kaepernick.
Wait and see.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
priestt
that’s actually an ellipsis, not a period.
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It’s an ellipsis then a period spelled out like double emphasis. IOW I could say more but I’ll just cap it at that……….period
January 19th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Al created a poisonous environment for coaches.
We’re just stating the obvious: quality HCs, OCs, and DCs won’t want to come here for AT LEAST another 2 years until the philosophy and environment in Oakland have completely changed.
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Exactly right.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
lol priestt,
you stare deeply into the eyes of coaches, through the TV, and unveil the truth in their souls.
you should change professions.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
yep. Our roster isn’t good. Won’t be that much better next year (we don’t have the $ or pull to bring in top FA).
I’ve been setting sights on 2014 since LAST year.
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Yup. Can’t fix it all in one season. The roster *will* be better this year. And alot better the following year. There will be probably less than 10 players from today’s roster on the team in the 2014 season. But the good news is they’ll be young and productive players that want to be great.
This is the part to get truly excited about Raider Brethren! Getting *real* players in this draft and not bombing out with busts. No more Fabian Washingtons, JaMarcus Russell’s, Quentin Moses’, DHB’s, McClains, Huffs, Mike Mitchell’s and the list goes on and on. No more overdrafting projects based on potential. The new standard is *proven production* before potential.
He *can* pick players, we know that from his Cheesheetz days. I do believe he is a proud TRUE RAIDER and wants this team to be on top again. He was drafted by Al Davis for the LA Raiders. So maybe he can’t pick Head Coaches (yet), but he can build a strong roster and that’s whats most important now and that’s why he’s focused 100% on that.
I was initially bitter about the tear down, but now that we’re on the road I think things are going fairly well and we should get some good news in the next 3 months. Coaching staff withstanding of course..
January 19th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Norv obviously turned us down. Cleveland does have younger talent at QB/RB/WR so no surprise.
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Yup.
Everyone wants to live in Cleveland and coach Brandon Weeden and Colt McCoy.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
IMO the reason Norv wasn’t interested is becuz he was already a HC here and was fired. He was not happy about that. To come back to the previous team that fired him and take a lesser position than what he had before is kind of humiliating.
Obviously he would take a different option.
The guy has some pride I’m sure.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
priestt
but there is no period after your “period,” therefore I posit that it’s more of a sentence without a full stop.
Very e.e. cummings of you
January 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
knapp is saying the same thing about mccheese and da will be next year too…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Maybe Norv was setting up the bait to attract Pryor to the Browns.
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I posted the Pryor to Cleveland propoganda a few days ago, lol.
Hometown kid angle.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
What does Fox see in Knapp that Allen missed. Politicians make strange bedfellows. I guess coaches do too. This up coming pre season will be very interesting. And yes, pre season does matter.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
Hill
Weeden, Richardson, and Gordon
vs
Palmer/Pryor, 31st-ranked run game, and…DHB?
With Palmer making more than all 3 of theirs combined.
Cleveland wins. Easily. Land-slide. Mudslide. Slip and slide.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
DA was jealous of TP’s and Norv’s chemistry.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Priest,
Your TP6 conspiracy theories are really getting out there.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Billy
Fox sees a coach whose QBs consistently surpass their career average, but is not very good at designing an entire offense.
So he made him a QB coach.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
I’ve followed football all my life. It’s a different language that none of you understand. You go by feel, and interpretation. Norv was sending signals that only Mr. Davis and myself could see. If Mr. Davis were here, Norv would be here as we speak.
DA has to go…PERIOD.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Maybe Norv was setting up the bait to attract Pryor to the Browns.
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I posted the Pryor to Cleveland propoganda a few days ago, lol.
Hometown kid angle.
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All things are possible in regards to Pryor. Norv wouldn’t have known he was going to the Browns, but setting up a positive relationship with Pryor, letting him know he likes him, when Norv eventually found a new OC job.
Pryor I think will definitely attract interest because of the success of Kaepernick, and Pryor’s largely impressive debut game.
I’d hate to lose him due to Reggie/Allen being pig-headed, and then see him tear up the NFL (under Chip or Norv).
On the other side, if we did a Foles-Pryor swap, that MIGHT turn out well for us too, especially as we’re running an Olson offense.
Really hard to tell right now where Pryor ends up, here or elsewhere. Just gotta wait and see.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
I’m taking my neighbor Palmer, McFadden, D Moore, and California weather over Cleveland just like you know you would.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Hill
Priestt is an act. His job is to get posts in here.
He fully supports Jamarcus to this day.
Supposedly HATED the DMac pick.
Then said DHB would be as good as Jerry Rice.
He’s not supposed to be taken seriously.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Here is this troll again so I’ll let him have it I’m tired anyway
Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
DA was jealous of TP’s and Norv’s chemistry.
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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Priest,
Your TP6 conspiracy theories are really getting out there.
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Jhill this is a troll………I’m out later!
January 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Why would an OC care about the QBs salary????
January 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
You can see Harbaugh give Kap the same look that Norv gave TP. It’s a look that says we are in this together, and I will go to war with you. It happens very few times, and when it does it means those two are in lockstep….period.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Alex7 Boy why don’t you get realll………stop lying fool.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
If 12 for 28 with a 4-yards-per-attempt average, a fumble, INT, and 9-yard long run gain is impressive…
I’d hate to think what a bad Pryor game would look like to the kool-aid drinkers.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
priestt
you’re a rodeo clown in here for the purpose of nonsensical contrarian views and you’re willing to spend hours on it.
Good job, I guess.
all your terrible predictions are forever saved on Google and have been posted here.
Be proud rodeo clown.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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* Patriots – Power Blocking (some ZBS)
* 49ers – Power Blocking (zone-read is the QB option reading the DE in a PBS scheme)
* Ravens – Power Blocking (some ZBS)
* Falcons – Zone Blocking
Last 5 Super Bowl winners
Giants – PBS
Green Bay – ZBS (some PBS)
Saints – ZBS (some PBS)
Steelers – PBS
Giants – PBS
Its a mixed bag, but its about your personnel and coaching staff more than scheme – kind of the 3-4 vs. 4-3 argument. PBS is *definitely* more complicated and takes lineman with more agility and RB’s that can run laterally with patience. And I don’t think its as effective lately as teams have adapted and power blocking is more effective late in the season in outdoor stadiums with weather.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Pryor’s debut was LARGELY impressive, especially considering he hasnt played in 2.5 years, wasnt getting enough reps, splitting 1st team reps with leinart that whole week, and has built up little chemistry with receivers etc.
You cannot judge Pryor’s game without consideration of all those things.
You point out the negatives. Dont forget to point out the positives. There were positives.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
alexis=mcxcuse…
January 19th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
TP is working out for the next month with coaches, at Appleton High field, in Napa. They will be working on his footwork. Team wants to get rid of Palmer and his salary, and train TP to be the voice of this franchise.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Pryor was down 24-7 to start the 4th qtr. Had one impressive drive in 3 qtrs.
4th qtr was pretty impressive, but it was the same garbage time stat padding we bash Palmer for.
January 19th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Oottoo
to be fair, the Patriots, Packers, Texans, and other long-term successful franchises…
actually have a scheme they stick with and draft / free agent sign / teach to fit that scheme.
The personnel “you have” is only true for the first year. After that, NFL rosters have a 20% annual turnover and most coaches fit their scheme (Tampa 2, 3-4, spread, Perkins system, etc).
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agreed…..but guys like parcells, shula, belichick who would adapt thir favored schemes to fit personnell…
hell look what mike mccoy did…he had an O installed for Orton…completely changed it to fit tebow mid season and made the playoffs…then changes completely again to suit manning
compare that to knapps comment….I teach what I know
January 19th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Someone pull up Luck’s debut start vs Pryor’s debut start again.
You’ll find they were statistically very similar. I remember someone posted them before.
Pryor isn’t Luck, etc. Just saying, a debut is a debut start. Ryan Leaf had a great debut game. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, had woeful early starts.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Alright this was solid. April gotta be getting old but no question he knows his ST s#izzit!
January 19th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
GG
unfortunately Luck’s debut was known by all of man-kind to be an outlier which did NOT correlate to Luck’s skill-level and history.
Pryor, at 45% completions and low yards per attempt, was simply corroborating what we already knew:
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
January 19th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Well, maybe not Leaf, but some recognized bad QBs had good starts.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
What terrible predictions? I have been spot on…period. Some werent predictions, but were estimations and opinions, which are not the same. I predicted TP would be the wave of the future, and now the whole country agrees with me.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
#389…im talking NFL starts. College is ancient history now.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Pryor has always struggled with accuracy vs solid defenses.
NCAA, scouting reports, NFL pre-season, and debut.
To think he’ll suddenly catapult in talent and do things he’s never done consistently before is…
silly.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
lol GG
if you’re saying that what a QB does in college isn’t used to predict and analyze NFL expectations, and corroborate what he then does at the NFL level…
well, you’d be wrong 95% of the time.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
there’s a reason why guys like Pryor, Tebow, Joe Webb, Pat White, and Kellen Moore
aren’t given much time in the NFL.
We already know what they are based on their college work.
Can’t overcome weak arms or inaccuracy or inability to read D’s. You just can’t practice those issues out. Basic history and biology.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Pryor himself said his outing was dog-s*** and most of the country agreed.
QBs rarely put up those horrific numbers vs legit NCAA D’s, do the exact same in pre-season and NFL debuts…
then somehow magically improve.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Way to go off-topic, Alex7
We’re talking about what lies ahead with Pryor, if he stays or ends up traded to Norv/Chip. His debut start WAS largely positive. Regardless of stats you can pull up. Especially given the circumstances that have to be taken into account — first game 2.5 years, no snaps for 2 years, splitting 1st team reps the week of his debut, no chemistry with receivers.
Many analysts came away “largely positive” about Pryor’s debut too. EVERYONE acknowledges he has work to do to get better at accuracy etc…that’s beside the point. No one’s saying he’s ready to start full-time just yet.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
J Hill Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
I’m taking my neighbor Palmer, McFadden, D Moore, and California weather over Cleveland just like you know you would.
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dude…..the new cleveland coach used to work for turner and he also hired turners son…..I would say he is quite comfortable in cleveland
January 19th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
What terrible predictions? I have been spot on…period. Some werent predictions, but were estimations and opinions, which are not the same. I predicted TP would be the wave of the future, and now the whole country agrees with me.
> were you right about this one: Vick is better than Elway..PERIOD!!!
January 19th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
You won’t find a SINGLE DECENT NFL QB who put up #s like these:
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
You just won’t. So Pryor is either a 1 of a kind anomoly, or he sucks as much as 12-28 for 4 yards per attempt with floating duck jump passes sucks.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
You keep going off-topic talking about Pryor’s comp percentage vs better college defenses. What does that have to do with Pryor 2013, Norv, Chip?
That’s like bringing up David Klinger’s college stats and saying he’s a sure-fire NFL QB.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
We could get a second round pick easily for TP. I worry DA will try to trade him knowing TP will be petitioning for Norv to come here.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
You won’t find a SINGLE DECENT NFL QB who put up #s like these:
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
You just won’t. So Pryor is either a 1 of a kind anomoly, or he sucks as much as 12-28 for 4 yards per attempt with floating duck jump passes sucks.
>. Pryor is a bad passer. very bad accuracy. i don’t get the hype about this dude. raiders will never win with him. a QB needs to be able to THROW!! number 1 requirement. there plenty of better options for OAK. Trade Pryor to Philly.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
GG
What QB has ever had serious accuracy issues and just somehow practiced and gotten better? None.
Honestly. None. Accuracy is not something that you acquire at this late age.
Honestly. It’s been researched. Basic biology. Fine-motor skills aren’t improved much this late.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
You keep going off-topic talking about Pryor’s comp percentage vs better college defenses. What does that have to do with Pryor 2013, Norv, Chip?
That’s like bringing up David Klinger’s college stats and saying he’s a sure-fire NFL QB.
>. college defenses are not as good as NLF ones. it should give you a clue as to what Pryor can do and what he did when he faced tougher opponents.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
I mean…
NEVER, at any stage in Pryor’s athletic career,
has he been deemed to be a good passing QB.
Never. Won’t magically change now because we want it to.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
We could get a second round pick easily for TP. I worry DA will try to trade him knowing TP will be petitioning for Norv to come here.
>> Pryor will be an Eagle.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
You keep going off-topic talking about Pryor’s comp percentage vs better college defenses. What does that have to do with Pryor 2013, Norv, Chip?
That’s like bringing up David Klinger’s college stats and saying he’s a sure-fire NFL QB.
>. college defenses are not as good as NLF ones. it should give you a clue as to what Pryor can do and what he did when he faced tougher opponents.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
GG-you weren’t at any practice don’t say what was happening there.And quit with the 21/2 year crap-it was 23 months since his last game that counted and 4 months since he last played in a game.You’re entitled to your opinion,but don’t misrepresent facts.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
every team could have had Pryor for a 2nd round pick.
No one wanted him.
He hasn’t improved in the last 2 years.
Still throwing ugly passes off the mark.
Won’t get us a 2nd round pick this year either.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
how about Pryor for Josh Freeman straight up
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
As i mentioned before…
DHB posted a tweet a week ago of him and Ford with Weeden, hanging out together, and called him “our man”.
Pryor, DHB and Ford to the Browns for picks/players is possible.
Chip tried to recruit Pryor, his offensive system would benefit having a Pryor. Could extract Foles in a straight swap there.
Not sure what the Browns might offer for Pryor, DHB, Ford, but I like the Foles/Pryor option. Problem is, Chip is very smart and he’ll make Pryor look good in his system.
Alternatively. It’s possible the Raiders hold onto Pryor at $500k, get rid of Palmer, and school him up to start 2013. Whether Pryor ends up becoming a top passer or not, is something only time will tell.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
reporters that HAVE attended Pryor’s practices have told us that his throws even then were off-the-mark.
And why wouldn’t they? It’s what he did at OSU. It’s not really news-worthy. Just who he is.
It’s ok.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Chip has been quoted as saying he values accurate QBs.
What Chip saw in Pryor 5 years ago out of High School…that would help in an Oregon vs Washington State game…
matters ZERO today.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
#412 is the topic. As posted word for word. Notice the last sentence too.
At no point is the ‘topic’ about “pryor sucks, he’ll never amount to anything because his college stats were underwhelming.”
Im not debating the college stats. That his accuracy was suspect etc. That’s beside the point. Players great in college or mediocre in college, can turn it around. That’s beside the point.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
As i mentioned before…
DHB posted a tweet a week ago of him and Ford with Weeden, hanging out together, and called him “our man”.
Pryor, DHB and Ford to the Browns for picks/players is possible.
Chip tried to recruit Pryor, his offensive system would benefit having a Pryor. Could extract Foles in a straight swap there.
Not sure what the Browns might offer for Pryor, DHB, Ford, but I like the Foles/Pryor option. Problem is, Chip is very smart and he’ll make Pryor look good in his system.
Alternatively. It’s possible the Raiders hold onto Pryor at $500k, get rid of Palmer, and school him up to start 2013. Whether Pryor ends up becoming a top passer or not, is something only time will tell.
>> getting rid of palmer would cost 17 million? not happening. palmer is starting in 2013 UNLESS he retires. Pryor won’t start here. how will Pryor become a top passer? what was college for? what has he been doing since 11? come on man. Trade Pryor NOW before he’s exposed. Pryor can run around so somebody will try him out. should be a WR
January 19th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
how about Pryor for Josh Freeman straight up
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I like pryor…especially being Al’s last pick……but I dont see him throwing the ball very well….I would make this trade in a heartbeat….the other guy I kinda like as palmer backup is ryan fitzpatrick
January 19th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
how about Pryor for Josh Freeman straight up
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I like pryor…especially being Al’s last pick……but I dont see him throwing the ball very well….I would make this trade in a heartbeat….the other guy I kinda like as palmer backup is ryan fitzpatrick
>. it’s not happening but freeman is the type of QB i’d like in Oakland.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
GG
but history flat out proves you wrong.
Guys with accuracy issues in college DON’T TURN IT AROUND in the NFL.
Again, this has been researched, but feel free to prove otherwise.
just fyi (Locker, Tannenhill, and Boller were recent 1st round inaccurate passers who keep proving the research).
January 19th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Cliff Branch, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, a lot of QBs…all came into the NFL with problems in catching, running routes, or having consistent high-level accuracy.
That’s what position/skill coaches are employed full-time for. But, it’s a two-way street…Pryor has to a) have the work ethic/desire, b) demonstrate the ability to improve those facets.
TIME WILL TELL.
Not the past (college). Otherwise Klinger would be a HOFer. Brady would’ve been drafted 1st round. Etc.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
the research proves that QBs with accuracy issues at the NCAA level don’t turn it around in the NFL
if you want to debate that, go ahead.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Favre for example…
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1228
52% NCAA comp
62% NFL comp
January 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Allen (Gruden really) brought Olson here to get Pryor ready for ‘14. Not that hard to understand. Unless you don’t want to.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
and for what it’s worth, no one questioned Moss’ college receiving skills, only his off-field issues.
Owens went to a tiny college, which is why he wasn’t drafted high. And he’s struggled with drops throughout his career.
DHB can’t develop his hands because that’s a fine-motor skill.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
GG
you’ve already been shown by two posters that HIGH college stats are easily pulled DOWN by the better NFL D’s (klinger, tim couch, any texas tech QB, etc)
Again, QBs with LOW college accuracy stats gets BETTER in the NFL.
That’s where Pryor is. Not in your other positions.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
*don’t get better
January 19th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Cliff Branch, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, a lot of QBs…all came into the NFL with problems in catching, running routes, or having consistent high-level accuracy.
That’s what position/skill coaches are employed full-time for. But, it’s a two-way street…Pryor has to a) have the work ethic/desire, b) demonstrate the ability to improve those facets.
TIME WILL TELL.
Not the past (college). Otherwise Klinger would be a HOFer. Brady would’ve been drafted 1st round. Etc.
>> Tom brady had a 63% complete rate in college and guess what his nfl completion rate is? 63%. college is EASIER than the nfl so if a QB can’t hit a barn in college he probably won’t do much better in the NFL. facts are facts
January 19th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Cliff Branch had bad hands but developed them.
You’re saying it’s impossible for players to improve on some technique/motor-skill. Impossible is way overstating it. There’s higher chance of it, but there are often examples of players turning things around, or vice versa, regressing in those technique/motor-skills.
You’re happy to write-off Pryor completely right now. I am not. Doesn’t mean I am saying Pryor is a god, a HOFer, etc. Just means, it’s something worth watching this year — if Pryor stays or gets traded, and if he stays or gets traded, how he grows or regresses.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
GG
if you have to pull an example FROM THE 1980s, 24 years ago, I think it kinda proves our point.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
GG
don’t change my argument.
College QBs who struggle with accuracy don’t improve in the NFL.
Simple. True.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Can anyone name a QB that came into the NFL with well-known mechanics problems that became successful?
I can’t off the top of my head.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
TIME WILL TELL.
Not the past (college). Otherwise Klinger would be a HOFer. Brady would’ve been drafted 1st round. Etc.
>> Tom brady had a 63% complete rate in college and guess what his nfl completion rate is? 63%. college is EASIER than the nfl so if a QB can’t hit a barn in college he probably won’t do much better in the NFL. facts are facts
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Lol, dumbo. That’s my point! Why wasnt he drafted 1st round then? Yet why did Klinger end up a bust and regress? You cant say with certainty about anything based on college stats, in terms of who ends up great and who doesnt.
We’re talking another topic…which was demonstrating players CAN improve certain skills from college to NFL, (catching, routes, accuracy), as they can also regress.
I showed you Favre. 10% improvement from NCAA to NFL.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Favre for example…
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1228
52% NCAA comp
62% NFL comp
>. but did you notice the DIP in Pryors accuracy against good college teams? he has a 60% college completion rate. what is being said here is that against good teams he couldn’t throw with any accuracy. which means that when he had to actually read defenses and deliver an accurate pass on time he failed most of the time. when he gets to extend plays run around then he can hit some throws.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
GG
don’t change my argument.
College QBs who struggle with accuracy don’t improve in the NFL.
Simple. True.
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Lol, you got caught out. You said it again just then. Who struggle with accuracy DO NOT improve. Yet i just showed you Favre did.
So you can no longer say, “DO NOT” and “CAN NOT” and “IMPOSSIBLE”. Like youve been saying. And instead have to say, “it’s more likely” and “it’s possible”.
Thank-you for your co-operation in losing this part of the debate, and having to from here on when talk about Pryor use phrases like “it’s more likely” and “it’s possible”.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135
“Over the past 12 years, teams have repeatedly drafted players who haven’t shown the ability to consistently complete passes at the college level, and these players have consistently failed. For some reason, scouts expected players such as Kyle Boller (48 percent), Jim Druckenmiller (54 percent) and Ryan Leaf (54 percent) to suddenly figure out how to complete passes once they hit the NFL.”
January 19th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Lol, dumbo. That’s my point! Why wasnt he drafted 1st round then? Yet why did Klinger end up a bust and regress? You cant say with certainty about anything based on college stats, in terms of who ends up great and who doesnt.
We’re talking another topic…which was demonstrating players CAN improve certain skills from college to NFL, (catching, routes, accuracy), as they can also regress.
I showed you Favre. 10% improvement from NCAA to NFL.
>. wow you’re a 10 year old. look I know you have a crush on Pryor but he can’t throw. simple as that. the eyes don’t lie
January 19th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Cliff Branch had bad hands but developed them.
>>>>
Its a completely different position and skill set. The problem with QBs with bad mechanics is that when the game is on the line they revert to bad habits.
Farve might be an interesting exception… his back foot throwing was atrocious. But I don’t recall Farve ever throw the wounded ducks Pryor was throwing. If anything he would take the receivers arms off with velocity.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
from same article:
“My research of highly drafted quarterbacks since 1996 found that two college statistics adequately predict future NFL performance: games started and completion percentage. In fact, where a quarterback is selected in the draft has virtually no bearing on his NFL success. Games started and completion percentage are far better than the scouts at determining how good a player will be.” (He does state that you throw out the stats of fluky systems like Texas Tech / Hawaii).
January 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3350135
“Over the past 12 years, teams have repeatedly drafted players who haven’t shown the ability to consistently complete passes at the college level, and these players have consistently failed. For some reason, scouts expected players such as Kyle Boller (48 percent), Jim Druckenmiller (54 percent) and Ryan Leaf (54 percent) to suddenly figure out how to complete passes once they hit the NFL.”.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=4037
Kurt Warner
NFLE 50% comp
NFL 65% comp
January 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
GG
don’t change my argument.
College QBs who struggle with accuracy don’t improve in the NFL.
Simple. True.
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Lol, you got caught out. You said it again just then. Who struggle with accuracy DO NOT improve. Yet i just showed you Favre did.
So you can no longer say, “DO NOT” and “CAN NOT” and “IMPOSSIBLE”. Like youve been saying. And instead have to say, “it’s more likely” and “it’s possible”.
Thank-you for your co-operation in losing this part of the debate, and having to from here on when talk about Pryor use phrases like “it’s more likely” and “it’s possible”.
>. for your brett favre we can show you 10 other QBs who DIDN’T improve. Favre could always throw with velocity and had the mechanics. Pryor is a WR
January 19th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
What’s your point .”Alex” ?
January 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=4037
Kurt Warner
NFLE 50% comp
NFL 65% comp
>. you putting up arena league stats mistic? fuking lame
January 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
What’s your point .”Alex” ?
mistic666 Says:
>> Pryor can’t throw
January 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
lol
when you have to bring up evidence from 25 years ago…
go with the 99% modern evidence position.
Pryor will continue doing what he’s always done passing-wise…missing the mark.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Lol, dumbo. That’s my point! Why wasnt he drafted 1st round then? Yet why did Klinger end up a bust and regress? You cant say with certainty about anything based on college stats, in terms of who ends up great and who doesnt.
We’re talking another topic…which was demonstrating players CAN improve certain skills from college to NFL, (catching, routes, accuracy), as they can also regress.
I showed you Favre. 10% improvement from NCAA to NFL.
>. wow you’re a 10 year old. look I know you have a crush on Pryor but he can’t throw. simple as that. the eyes don’t lie
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This why I call you ‘dumbo’ (apologies) is because I never said Pryor CAN throw with great accuracy
All i said was I like pryor a lot, and MAYBE he can improve, not ready to write him off being able or not able to, JUST YET.
Get it?
You’re debating me like you think I’m priestt or mistic.
I’m not. I like Pryor, he has the intangibles, leadership, he CAN throw, but can be inaccurate, needs more technique work, if he can get it down pat or not will depend on muscle-memory from thousands of 11 on 11 reps (which he has NOT had) in the pros, practice, camp.
Until then, I neither sing nor decry him.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
I say he can throw, na na na naaaan na.!
January 19th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1204702
Matt Stafford
57% NCAA
60% NFL
January 19th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
Warner was actually at 58% at Northern Iowa and won conference player of the year.
http://books.google.com/books?id=4p9pRek-f0AC&pg=PT16&lpg=PT16&dq=kurt+warner+1993&source=bl&ots=Ua9HZaFdZq&sig=lk8qbzsCK2Hr_qDOjod0NPARBnU&hl=en&ei=MsSVSdyFDpGksQO2kZifBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
Boom. Roasted.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Thank you GG
Stafford proves our point. High % in college vs legit D’s (SEC) = NFL success.
I hope you’re not insinuating that 57% in the SEC is the “NCAA accuracy struggle” that we’re debating.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Don’t forget, I also said players regress too…
Cam Newton 65% to 58%
Ryan Tannehill 62% to 58%
Mark Sanchez 64% to 55%
Which is the second part of the debate…that college stats do not categorically predict the boom/bust rate of players in the pros.
There are always cases of players coming in mediocre and improving, or coming in as gods and regressing.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Did we mention Pryor scored a 7 on the wonderlic and scouting reports said he had trouble diagnosing defenses?
dang.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Drew Brees
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=421
61% to 65%
January 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
no GG
we already agreed with you that NFL D’s can pull down accuracy rates.
You keep having to change the debate lol
QBs who struggle with accuracy in college (in the last 25 years) don’t improve in the NFL or become legit starters.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
You’re debating me like you think I’m priestt or mistic.
I’m not. I like Pryor, he has the intangibles, leadership, he CAN throw, but can be inaccurate, needs more technique work, if he can get it down pat or not will depend on muscle-memory from thousands of 11 on 11 reps (which he has NOT had) in the pros, practice, camp.
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I hope so too, for the sake of the Raiders.
But this is such a different craft we are talking about… I keep comparing it to golf. Have you EVER seen a guy with a crappy swing become great? Its never happened. Why? Because you revert to your old ways too often. It doesn’t matter how much practice one has.
Pryor keeps forgetting to step into the throw. If you want to see text book stepping into the throw on every pass look at Peyton manning or maybe even better Drew Brees. These things are automatic for them.
Can this be learned? Yes. But will they do it every time? NEVER? Why? Because you played so long without doing it.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
431.Gdog Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Can anyone name a QB that came into the NFL with well-known mechanics problems that became successful?
I can’t off the top of my head.
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Maybe Bernie Kosar. Maybe.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
GG
you’re saying Brees’ 61% at Purdue is “struggling”?
No, you’re not. So you’re agreeing with us that high accuracy in college = likely success in the NFL.
Thanks.
But keep looking for these guys you say struggle in college then magically improve their accuracy in the NFL.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1205755
Terrelle Pryor
As you will notice on all those ive listed so far, and many others if you do the search yourselves, pretty much most players tend to end up near-abouts to their COMPLETE ncaa comp% number, variance of 1-4% up or down. COMPLETE ncaa comp% against all teams, good and bad.
Pryor therefore is likely to maintain about a 57-64% comp in the pros over an extended period of time.
The outliers are players like Klinger, spread offense QBs who facepalm running a pro-style offense in the NFL. Going from mid-high 60s to 40s-50s.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Josh freeman would be a good fit. He’s a younger carson palmer. dude just had a good season, 4000 yds, 27 tds 17 ints. I’ll take it.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Did we mention Pryor scored a 7 on the wonderlic and scouting reports said he had trouble diagnosing defenses?
dang.
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The Wond test is a scam that is designed to hold players of color back. The questions were picked deliberately when they knew black players would have problem with math and other measurbles. TP is one of the brightest players I have ever seen.
January 19th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
GG Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
http://www.totalfootballstats.com/PlayerQB.asp?id=1205755
Terrelle Pryor
As you will notice on all those ive listed so far, and many others if you do the search yourselves, pretty much most players tend to end up near-abouts to their COMPLETE ncaa comp% number, variance of 1-4% up or down. COMPLETE ncaa comp% against all teams, good and bad.
Pryor therefore is likely to maintain about a 57-64% comp in the pros over an extended period of time.
The outliers are players like Klinger, spread offense QBs who facepalm running a pro-style offense in the NFL. Going from mid-high 60s to 40s-50s.
>. seriously man. LOOK at pryors stats when he played decent college teams!!! get off of Pryors balls mistic you need therapy
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
People who isolate Pryor’s handful of worst comp % games to present an argument….that’s the same as people who say, “take away a RB’s 20+ yard runs in that game, he only ran for 15 for 40 not 18 for 100.”
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
alex7 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Did we mention Pryor scored a 7 on the wonderlic and scouting reports said he had trouble diagnosing defenses?
dang.
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The Wond test is a scam that is designed to hold players of color back. The questions were picked deliberately when they knew black players would have problem with math and other measurbles. TP is one of the brightest players I have ever seen.
>> so you’re saying black people can’t do math? WTF
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Terelle Pryor’s resume speaks for itself. Haters speak for themselves
January 20th, 2013 at 12:01 am
I’m GG, always have been, always will.
Get your paranoia fixed. If you think I’m mistic then I cant talk to you seriously.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:01 am
Pryor will be fine, IF we schedule Eastern Michigan and the Ohio Bobcats often:
vs and completion%:
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
LEGIT Ds
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
January 20th, 2013 at 12:02 am
GG Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
People who isolate Pryor’s handful of worst comp % games to present an argument….that’s the same as people who say, “take away a RB’s 20+ yard runs in that game, he only ran for 15 for 40 not 18 for 100.”
>> using a boxing analogy its like fighting a bunch of tomato cans and then getting exposed when you fight contenders. thats Pryor but i guess you just can’t figure that out
January 20th, 2013 at 12:02 am
504 Raider Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
431.Gdog Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Can anyone name a QB that came into the NFL with well-known mechanics problems that became successful?
I can’t off the top of my head.
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Maybe Bernie Kosar. Maybe.
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Hmm. Interesting.
I will look into this.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:02 am
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Terelle Pryor’s resume speaks for itself. Haters speak for themselves
>. where’s your old lady Mistic at?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Mistic666 Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Josh freeman would be a good fit. He’s a younger carson palmer. dude just had a good season, 4000 yds, 27 tds 17 ints. I’ll take it.
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Freeman leads the Bucs to the playoffs next year where John Abraham injures him in the first quarter. He will never quite be the same.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Vince Young scored a 15. Pryor a 7.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:04 am
GG Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:01 am
I’m GG, always have been, always will.
Get your paranoia fixed. If you think I’m mistic then I cant talk to you seriously.
>. why can’t you talk to me if i think you’re mistic? i might think you’re bigfoot but how does that affect my worthiness of being able to listen to your great wisdom?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:05 am
GG
you won’t find A SINGLE DECENT NFL QB today who has THAT MANY 50% and lower games over 2 years.
I mean the guy has SEVEN games like that in just two NCAA seasons.
SEVEN! That’s MOST of his LEGIT games!
January 20th, 2013 at 12:05 am
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Vince Young scored a 15. Pryor a 7.
>. quarterbacks HAVE to be intelligent, its not optional. the wonderlic matters for Qbs.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:06 am
Daunte Culpepper scored an 18. Aaron Brooks a 17. Vince Young 17.
Pryor a 7. Scouting reports say he struggles deciphering defenses.
Hmmm.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:07 am
Mistic666 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:02 am
GG Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
People who isolate Pryor’s handful of worst comp % games to present an argument….that’s the same as people who say, “take away a RB’s 20+ yard runs in that game, he only ran for 15 for 40 not 18 for 100.”
>> using a boxing analogy its like fighting a bunch of tomato cans and then getting exposed when you fight contenders. thats Pryor but i guess you just can’t figure that out
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Is that kind of like people saying if you take 2 wins from a team because they beat a certain team twice their record would only be……..
January 20th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Pryor, Jeff George, Vince Evans, Kordell Stewart, and Charlie Batch have some of the lowest scores ever on the Wonderlic.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:09 am
dan marino….
January 20th, 2013 at 12:09 am
RGIII had a 24 score on the wonderlic if its so racist. are they asking about bowling or nascar or country music on the test?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:10 am
I guess we have a QB controversy. Pryor’s stock is on the rise, because of current events.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Cam Newton had ONE ncaa game with completion % below 55.
Pryor had SEVEN.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Gdog Says:
January 19th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
I hope so too, for the sake of the Raiders.
But this is such a different craft we are talking about… I keep comparing it to golf. Have you EVER seen a guy with a crappy swing become great? Its never happened. Why? Because you revert to your old ways too often. It doesn’t matter how much practice one has.
Pryor keeps forgetting to step into the throw. If you want to see text book stepping into the throw on every pass look at Peyton manning or maybe even better Drew Brees. These things are automatic for them.
Can this be learned? Yes. But will they do it every time? NEVER? Why? Because you played so long without doing it.
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Sorry i didnt see your post earlier.
Again, it’s really hard for a #3 string to improve his mechanics if he’s 3rd string. How players improve is by becoming starters, getting all 1st team reps on a daily/weekly/monthly basis, 11 on 11 football too btw, not throwing alone to a WR. Because there’s so much about mechanics that is affected by the angle of throws, bodies in your face, etc. A player can improve his accuracy thru thousands of reps TILL it becomes second-nature, re-learning till it becomes natural.
3rd stringers dont usually rise tho. They never get enough reps, and with limited showing have to somehow show enough promise to get picked out by a coach, and chosen to be brought along with reps and further development.
it’s not so much about the throwing style. Rivers/Kosar/Brennan have decidedly side-arm motions. It’s the technique of correct footwork, hip rotation, pulling the side-arm down and in and hand placement/flip after the throw.
Pryor could have retain his slightly weird throwing motion, as long as he gets enough reps to make the technique memorized, he CAN improve. It depends on him too. Two-way street. He displays excellent accuracy, pin-point, on deep throws and short/medium throws. Every now and then, like 3/5 times. What’s stopping it 5/5? Technique, those subtle details. It’s not like he’s throwing pinpoint accuracy only 1/6 times. Forget it then. That’s why he’s got a 60% comp in college. He’s averaging 3/5.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:11 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:07 am
Mistic666 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:02 am
GG Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:00 am
People who isolate Pryor’s handful of worst comp % games to present an argument….that’s the same as people who say, “take away a RB’s 20+ yard runs in that game, he only ran for 15 for 40 not 18 for 100.”
>> using a boxing analogy its like fighting a bunch of tomato cans and then getting exposed when you fight contenders. thats Pryor but i guess you just can’t figure that out
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Is that kind of like people saying if you take 2 wins from a team because they beat a certain team twice their record would only be……..
>> NO, its like saying If i’m 50-0 against amatuers and then get KTFO by pros that i might be overrated
January 20th, 2013 at 12:12 am
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:10 am
I guess we have a QB controversy. Pryor’s stock is on the rise, because of current events.
>. oh yeah you’re talking about Pryors Arm transplant surgery.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Marino scored a 15. Pryor 7. Struggles reading D’s and reading through progressions. Odd.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:14 am
Has anyone worked harder than Tim Tebow on improving his mechanics early in his career?
Yet after all that work, he posted a 46% year in Denver.
Because that’s who he was in college.
Predictable.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:14 am
Marino scored a 15 and as great. the Bills QB scored a 48 and is decent. the test isn’t a 100% predictor BUT it is a strong indicator of intelligence.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
666-I was asking GG since he is one of those on here that says our real record last year was 2-14 since the KC wins shouldn’t count because they were terrible.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:14 am
Has anyone worked harder than Tim Tebow on improving his mechanics early in his career?
Yet after all that work, he posted a 46% year in Denver.
Because that’s who he was in college.
Predictable.
?? Pryor is Tebow minus the “praise the lord” part
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Russell Wilson’s WORST game his senior year was 64%
Pryor had NUMEROUS games near or below 50%.
Yikes.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:16 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
666-I was asking GG since he is one of those on here that says our real record last year was 2-14 since the KC wins shouldn’t count because they were terrible.
>> well thats just stupid. beating the Queefs is still a win.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 am
pryor made knapp look good…thats hard to do.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 am
should count as extra credit…
January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
666-I was asking GG since he is one of those on here that says our real record last year was 2-14 since the KC wins shouldn’t count because they were terrible.
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No, the jags win, the refs called the pi in the endzone on 4th down that wasnt there. otherwise game over. but the penalty allowed us to score.
3-13. We beat two terrible chiefs teams, they’re wins, but nothing to crow about either. we beat steelers again, there were very lucky penalties etc that occurred that allowed us to limp over.
2-14.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:18 am
GG Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:15 am
666-I was asking GG since he is one of those on here that says our real record last year was 2-14 since the KC wins shouldn’t count because they were terrible.
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No, the jags win, the refs called the pi in the endzone on 4th down that wasnt there. otherwise game over. but the penalty allowed us to score.
3-13. We beat two terrible chiefs teams, they’re wins, but nothing to crow about either. we beat steelers again, there were very lucky penalties etc that occurred that allowed us to limp over.
2-14.
>> winning is winning. you think to much
January 20th, 2013 at 12:18 am
666-of course it is but there are quite a few people on here who repeat it.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:19 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:17 am
pryor made knapp look good…thats hard to do.
>> yeah dude ran around and made some plays.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:18 am
666-of course it is but there are quite a few people on here who repeat it.
>> yeah a win is a win a loss is a loss. there are a FEW exceptions MAYBE. the tuck game. but even then the Raiders failed to stop them regardless. no excuses. i don’t take it all so seriously.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Just like Hue going 8-8 yet only 3-3 in weak Manning-less AFC West.
And blowout losses vs Packers, Patriots, Dolphins, and Broncos.
context matters.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:22 am
Pryor completed 60.9% in college. Try again.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:22 am
Pryor completed 60.9% in college. Try again.
>.scroll up and READ what was written . I’m not going to explain everything to you.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Just like Hue going 8-8 yet only 3-3 in weak Manning-less AFC West.
And blowout losses vs Packers, Patriots, Dolphins, and Broncos.
context matters.
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8-8 or 4-12? Context that till morning.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am
Three out of the four remaining teams play plenty of 3-4 defense. Hope the 3-year Raider plan includes incorporating that more.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:24 am
Btw. I like Pryor. But am not in love with Pryor declaring him a future HOFer etc. Im not mistic/priestt. I’ve repeatedly expressed myself well, without ambiguity. That I like Pryor but know he has accuracy problems from time to time. The consistency is lacking, not the ability. Whether he can become full-time starter or not I am not making that determination until I see more of him in pre-season/regular season after another full camp as #1 or #2, not #3.
I said i’d make the Pryor/Foles trade.
I’d consider the Pryor/DHB/Ford to Browns trade (if i knew what was being offered back).
Otherwise, if he stays on, I’d be keen to see him put in the effort and hopefully become a starter.
It’s the same as the heat I got on the Olson comments.
Olson’s track record is pathetic. I dont like the hire. I got hated on for running a smear-campaign lol. Meanwhile, you lot are happy to allow yourselves the same right to flame Pryor on his college track-record. To flame Knapp on his track-record — which I ALSO flamed daily all 2012.
yet somehow im the bad guy for voicing a dislike for olson, yet still readying to take a ‘wait and see’ approach with Olson.
yet none of you want to allow pryor a “wait and see” either.
Who’s being unreasonable in both debates? Not me.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:24 am
8-8 and 4-12 both = no playoffs.
who cares.
Cable did. And got him run.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:25 am
Obviously we have a QB controversy
January 20th, 2013 at 12:26 am
it’s not so much about the throwing style. Rivers/Kosar/Brennan have decidedly side-arm motions. It’s the technique of correct footwork, hip rotation, pulling the side-arm down and in and hand placement/flip after the throw.
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Rivers I guess is a great example of why you might be right. He throws the ball like a shot-put… but still has amazing accuracy.
But I don’t remember Rivers having the accuracy problem the other posters are pointing out. Maybe its a double whammy.
I rewatched the Pryor game specifically with an open mind to see if I was being biased yesterday. I saw MAYBE ten really nice perfect throws. Is that what anyone should get excited about without excuses?
Ten nice throws per game in the NFL gets you only one thing… out of the NFL. Lets be honest…
January 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:23 am
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Just like Hue going 8-8 yet only 3-3 in weak Manning-less AFC West.
And blowout losses vs Packers, Patriots, Dolphins, and Broncos.
context matters.
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8-8 or 4-12? Context that till morning.
>> you are either feeble minded or a troll. which one is it?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am
GG
I don’t mind the Olson hiring. No top coordinators want to come to Oakland. And Olson hasn’t had much to work with previously.
Pryor is different because there’s just nothing to blame other than a lack of skill. For me, there’s no reason to expect anything different.
Fans can expect him to improve. Part of being a fan for many of you. I just don’t see the point in hoping for something so unlikely to happen.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:24 am
8-8 and 4-12 both = no playoffs.
who cares.
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Fans care Internet monkeys don’t.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:28 am
KoolKell Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:25 am
Obviously we have a QB controversy
>. yep when the Raiders trade Pyror for Nick Foles or hopefully Josh Freeman we will have a QB controversy. i agree with here. the one and only time.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:28 am
ill take 8-8 sny day over 4-12…
January 20th, 2013 at 12:29 am
GG-perhaps instead of reading what bloggers on other teams sites say about Olson,go back and read the write-up Cork does on his hiring a couple of threads back.You can’t say his track record is pathetic.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:30 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:28 am
ill take 8-8 sny day over 4-12…
>> no sh*t sherlock!!
January 20th, 2013 at 12:30 am
good for you Al.
You and Cable can sing the “we’re not losers” 8-8 song together.
I’ll take the better draft pick if neither record is playoff-bound.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:30 am
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:24 am
8-8 and 4-12 both = no playoffs.
who cares.
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Money-paying fans care. I go to the games to be entertained and watch my team beat the other team. Not lay down like a dog because “oh, we’re not going to the playoffs anyway”. What a loser mentality.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:31 am
4-12 isnt a loser?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:32 am
lmao…better draft pick…go ahead mcheese..
January 20th, 2013 at 12:32 am
just trade for Freeman. he’s the type of OB needed here.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:32 am
Gdog Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:26 am
it’s not so much about the throwing style. Rivers/Kosar/Brennan have decidedly side-arm motions. It’s the technique of correct footwork, hip rotation, pulling the side-arm down and in and hand placement/flip after the throw.
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Rivers I guess is a great example of why you might be right. He throws the ball like a shot-put… but still has amazing accuracy.
But I don’t remember Rivers having the accuracy problem the other posters are pointing out. Maybe its a double whammy.
I rewatched the Pryor game specifically with an open mind to see if I was being biased yesterday. I saw MAYBE ten really nice perfect throws. Is that what anyone should get excited about without excuses?
Ten nice throws per game in the NFL gets you only one thing… out of the NFL. Lets be honest…
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Thanks for the reply.
The best, briefest way i can highlight what im saying is…
Pryor lacks the consistency, but demonstrates the ability to throw pinpoint accurate passes short/med/long/horizontal/vertical.
In short, he CAN throw accurately, but isn’t CONSISTENT yet at it. Consistency is something that can be improved on with more reps and desire, muscle-memory, 11-on-11 practice, real games, correct full-time QB coaching. It’s only part-time in college.
It can also not improve.
It’s too early to make any sort of determination on Pryor yet. That is all.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:32 am
does anyone remember whether the Redskins were 4-12, 5-11, 6-10, or 8-8 last year?
Hardly matters.
You’re either a good team or you’re not.
And under Cable, Hue, and Dennis, we haven’t been. At all. Blowout losses every time it mattered.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:33 am
GG
history says it’s NOT too early to tell on Pryor.
I’ll take historical statistical analysis over a fan’s opinion.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Pryor lacks the consistency, but demonstrates the ability to throw pinpoint accurate passes short/med/long/horizontal/vertical.
In short, he CAN throw accurately, but isn’t CONSISTENT yet at it. Consistency is something that can be improved on with more reps and desire, muscle-memory, 11-on-11 practice, real games, correct full-time QB coaching. It’s only part-time in college.
>> i can hit 10 out of 30 passes man. playing QB is the toughest position in sports and you don’t give to some guy who can’t throw now but maybe someday might get consistent. not with the QB position. waste of money and time.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:35 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:29 am
GG-perhaps instead of reading what bloggers on other teams sites say about Olson,go back and read the write-up Cork does on his hiring a couple of threads back.You can’t say his track record is pathetic.
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I havent even actually read anything from pewterreport. I only posted it here that someone else told me to check it out. I’ve watched Olson OC for the Buccaneers. I watch other games often, not just Raiders. That’s why some of you do think it’s raining when Cork p*sses on your backs here, because you understandbly dont know, havent viewed Olson as OC before. So you accept what youre told without questioning it, or investigating it first. Which is why Cork shills here.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:37 am
Geno Smith was connecting at a 70% clip in the Big 12 vs legit teams.
Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Kansas.
His BAD BOWL GAME? 68%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:38 am
I’m supposed to believe you over someone who printed stats,facts,writes about the sport for a living,and at least talks to others who work in the league.OK-LOL
January 20th, 2013 at 12:41 am
Pryor lacks the consistency, but demonstrates the ability to throw pinpoint accurate passes short/med/long/horizontal/vertical.
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He pinpointed one really nice pass over the left-middle in double coverage. Most of the slant patterns he threw behind the receiver. He had some really nice passes out of scramble plays on the run which are encouraging. I liked the way he kept his eyes downfield while scrambling.
I really didn’t see much “pin-point” that you are mentioning though. Certainly not enough to be excited about. And lets face it.. we were sand-bagged by the coaching staff on him from the beginning. I was expecting hot-garbage. He didn’t look that bad in comparison to hot-garbage.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Raiders’ QBs in the division:
Jason undefeated
Palmer undefeated against Kansas City, unvictorios against Denver & San Diego;
Boller 0-1
Pryor 0-1
January 20th, 2013 at 12:45 am
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:37 am
Geno Smith was connecting at a 70% clip in the Big 12 vs legit teams.
Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., Kansas.
His BAD BOWL GAME? 68%, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
>. geno smith WILL be a solid nfl starter or at least has the TOOLS to be. Geno is better than Pryor RIGHT NOW. why waste time “developing” Pryor when you can draft Geno who is an accurate passer NOW. there are MANY better options than “developing” pryor. ridiculous. Draft Geno, trade for freeman. lot of options.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Pryor did complete a bomb to who was it?
January 20th, 2013 at 12:45 am
FIRE CORKY NOW.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:45 am
lefty12 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:38 am
I’m supposed to believe you over someone who printed stats,facts,writes about the sport for a living,and at least talks to others who work in the league.OK-LOL
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What’s to believe/disbelieve? Olson’s track-record is there for all to see. Every year he’s OC’d he’s finished #20-#30 rank in offense, regressed it, and got fired.
If Cork tells you he’s highly regarded, so what? Does that mean he’s a good hire just because Cork told you it was? It’s irrelevant what Cork opines or doesn’t opine. The track-record is there to not be impressed about.
Question is, why should Cork have to shill that message? Let people make up their own minds.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:49 am
I know you’re just trying to bait me for responses. Lol’ing at me replying back seriously while you’re sitting there just trying to amuse yourself.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:53 am
Shill,he is paid to write articles and run this blog.IMO,he knows a lot more about football than you’ll ever know.He printed facts like in 2006 as Rams OC they were only the 4th team in history to have a 4000 yd QB(Bulger),a 1500 yd RB,and 2 1000 yd WRS.He coached at Purdue and is given a lot of credit for D.Brees’s development.He is given credit for the development of Freeman in TB.All we hear from you is he is pathetic.I’ll take Cork’s word over yours any day of the week.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:56 am
You are a piece all right.Conspiracy theories galore,talking out of both sides of your mouth.LMAO
January 20th, 2013 at 12:56 am
What’s to believe/disbelieve? Olson’s track-record is there for all to see. Every year he’s OC’d he’s finished #20-#30 rank in offense, regressed it, and got fired.
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He caught fire one year (2006) with Bulger and Steven Jackson… and he runs power blocking system.
Prolly what we are hoping with Palmer/McF. Makes sense to me.
What premier OC was available that is a better match for Palmer/McF???
January 20th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Okay, so you don’t like to think for yourself, and accept whatever youre told. I understand you now, will remember in future whenever reading your posts about whatever.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:59 am
^Lefty
January 20th, 2013 at 1:03 am
You don’t understand.I,unlike you,don’t make preconceived notions.He was hired,I read his resume,and will wait and see how he does before I call him pathetic.Unlike you,who stated you would be objective and withhold judgement,yet in your next breathe claim he is pathetic.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:04 am
Someone whose opinion/comments I’ll mostly skip over because you dont have any yourself, just regurgitate whatever you heard or got told from whomever.
I would rather read and engage people who actually have something to offer themselves, be it for/against whatever topic.
So I guess all I’m going to read from your posts all year is “but he’s well-regarded” whenever Olson is mentioned by anyone, whenever people discuss his week to week play-calling. “But he’s well-regarded”
January 20th, 2013 at 1:08 am
Again,you don’t understand.Before I proclaim him great,good,OK,or pathetic I want to see it.I’m not taking your word for it.He comes highly regarded.I hope he lives up to his hype,but it won’t be known until we see it one way or the other.Unlike you,I won’t condemn him until he shows it is deserved.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:08 am
Dont forget you like me and 90% of everyone else was slamming Knapp hire this time last year. Why were you okay to slam Knapp even when Cork/others talked him up? Because you’ve seen him OC before, you only watch Raiders play here and there. Understandable you dont have a strong opinion either like/hate of Olson. I understand man, you NEED to wait and see.
I’ll wait and see, but I’ll complain right now because he just got hired and i am venting an opinion of the hire.
This is a public blog, where people vent their opinions, you know. I see you forget that.
Anyway, good luck to you in 2013. If you ever say anything truly interesting and from your own mind, i’ll engage you. Dont hold grudges. Up to you too how you perform on here tho. Two-way street.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:10 am
I’m sitting up drinking sake and watching the Raider/ Charger game, Gents.. 10-7
January 20th, 2013 at 1:12 am
Once again you contradict yourself.You state you read and use that to make your opinion,yet when I mention what I read,you dismiss it because it doesn’t go along with your way of thinking.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:17 am
you only watch Raiders play here and there.
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LOL,with that I will leave you to your childish thoughts.You are a funny dude and I don’t mean humorous.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:18 am
I think that’s the heart of our problem here, Lefty. I’ve worked it out.
You havent seen him OC, so dont have a strong opinion on Olson one way or the other therefore. Havent seen him yourself to judge yourself, so need to give him a wait and see.
Yet! you get agitated and aggressive that someone else has a strong opinion on him, a bad opinion of him, because they have seen him OC, and/or analyzed his stats as OC, or read fan comments on his OC’ing.
I guess if you’re gonna be straight up disliking anyone who voices a strong opinion of Olson before you’ve been afforded an opportunity to judge him yourself, then if you’re hating the negative opinions, you should be hating the positive opinions too. Like Cork telling you “you must like this hire, Lefty, he is well-regarded, I am telling you to like this hire.”
That must also go against your principle here. Cant have people voicing a strong opinion either good or bad of him, BEFORE you’ve had the chance to judge him yourself.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:24 am
Phil Sims is talking about how accurate Pryor is.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:24 am
You said he was pathetic everywhere he was OC which isn’t the case.Your opinion is just that and you are entitled to it, but don’t present it as fact.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:26 am
Thanks for dancing with the devil and getting burned. You thought you could intimidate me with your little personal attacks. But I am too good for that. You lose this debate.
If your posting quality improves, I’ll read your posts and reply in good cheer. I dont hold grudges. The internet washes off my back like water. I love it when people get all personal, trying to attack me, it shows they’re losing debates, actually them who are getting agitated by the internet.
I dont expect you or others to show the same manliness and no-grudge holding back, but I’ll respond as i see fit if the quality/humor/sincerity is there to genuinely engage me.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:29 am
Thanks for dancing with the devil and getting burned.
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How old are you,about15?God,you are pathetic but i do enjoy reading your comments for comedy purposes.Good night youngster.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:31 am
You lose the debate because….
I am in my right and justified in expressing disappointment with the hire of Olson BASED ON track-record. His record as OC overall. This is a public forum.
Olson’s record as OC IS bad. He’s been fired from every job. Can’t dispute that — his stats, w-l record, his firings, the ranking of his offenses.
That’s why Im validated in not liking the hire and expressing that opinion, and being very vocal even about it. JUST LIKE you allowed yourself to hate the Knapp hire same time LAST YEAR, before the season even began.
You havent got a point in this debate at all. There is not even a debate here. You’re just venting angrily at me because I said I dont like him, and you want to wait and see. I didnt tell you to NOT wait and see, did i?? I didnt tell you you HAD TO dislike him, did i?? NO! Cork told you to like him. Dont be mad at me. I am letting you make your own judgments for yourself. But you’re just deciding to personally attack me for your nightly amusement or whatever.
Seriously man. Geez.
January 20th, 2013 at 1:35 am
Also, it’s not been just me who has vented negatively about Olson. You only picked me out to attack because you just wanted to nightly amuse yourself, or because you have some past grudge against me i dont even know about. Screw your head back on. You’ve been woeful tonight.
January 20th, 2013 at 3:31 am
Are the Rams really going to hire Rob Ryan as DC when you’ve got candidates like Lovie Smith, Romeo Crennel, Ray Horton & Raheem Morris out there?
January 20th, 2013 at 3:38 am
Would you guys want Frank Bush as LB Coach, if we can’t get Rob Ryan?
how about Blake Williams?
he’s been with the Redskins, Jags, Saints & Rams.
January 20th, 2013 at 4:58 am
I like the Bobby April hire.
still unsure about Olson … but I agree with Jhill & many others that your coaches are only as good as the players you have for them to work with
is Olson gonna cure Palmer’s turnover problem?
is he going to keep McFadden healthy?
is he going to bring in 3 legit O-Line starters to replace Barnes, Brisiel & Carlisle?
is he going to eliminate all the drops from WR’s & TE’s?
NO!
January 20th, 2013 at 5:02 am
Mormon’ nation. I had terrible dream that Greg Olson was hired as OC. Shew.
January 20th, 2013 at 5:03 am
the players have to take it upon themselves to improve over the offseason, then on into OTA’s, camp & preseason. Meet with the individual position coaches & trainers, fellow teammates and other personal mentors.
Greg Olson or any other OC isn’t going to solve everything. All we can hope for is that he’s a good play caller on Sundays.
If the players don’t execute, he’ll look like a failure … whether he actually is one or not!!
January 20th, 2013 at 5:16 am
morning C!
I had a dream that Reggie replaced our nerdy coaches like Allen, Olson & Tarver with big dumb uglies like Tom Cable as HC with Bill Callahan at OC and Rob Ryan at DC
then we traded Carson Palmer and Terrelle Pryor became the next Randall Cunningham
January 20th, 2013 at 5:17 am
#556 lmao that was great.
SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 5:18 am
C2E Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 5:02 am
Mormon’ nation. I had terrible dream that Greg Olson was hired as OC. Shew.
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fn best post of the day but the day is young
January 20th, 2013 at 5:18 am
Morrison & Higgins > McClain & Ford
print that
January 20th, 2013 at 5:26 am
Thank goodness bedtime came along. GG and his continuous dribble over a lousy debate (does not matter who is right) was really beginning to annoy me. I don’t know how old he is but can tell you how old he acted last night. Now, back to Raider football……go….
January 20th, 2013 at 5:48 am
Which free agent, Barring tags, are most attractive? The days of big splashes are over but RM will go after a few vets this off-season.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/42077/309/nfl-free-agent-master-list-13
January 20th, 2013 at 6:09 am
The first free agent spot the Raiders should fix is center so that Wiz can go back to guard.
January 20th, 2013 at 6:11 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 5:18 am
Morrison & Higgins > McClain & Ford
print that
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I will print it but Tom Cable is neither dumb nor ugly.
Is Johnny still in the NFL?
January 20th, 2013 at 6:13 am
Nothing I would like more then to see the NFL get the matchup they don’t want.
Go Falcons
Go Ravens
January 20th, 2013 at 6:16 am
Can’t believe some are writing Olson off before a ball is snapped.
January 20th, 2013 at 6:21 am
Bill Belichick…
36 – 44 record in 4 yrs with the browns.By the logic of some he should never have been given the chance to be a head coach again.
Whatever did happen to Belichick?
January 20th, 2013 at 6:24 am
553.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 3:31 am
Are the Rams really going to hire Rob Ryan as DC when you’ve got candidates like Lovie Smith, Romeo Crennel, Ray Horton & Raheem Morris out there?
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Horton got hired by Cleveland about 20 minutes after he left the Cardinals. Lovie said he wants to be a HC and will not interview for any DC positions. Raheem Morris just signed on as the DBs coach for Shanarat. Don’t know about Romeo; he might be taking a year off.
January 20th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Plunketthead….
Hate the Pats but don’t want the Ravens to win after that cheap trick fake field goal they pulled against us.
January 20th, 2013 at 6:36 am
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Just like Hue going 8-8 yet only 3-3 in weak Manning-less AFC West.
And blowout losses vs Packers, Patriots, Dolphins, and Broncos.
context matters.
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LMAO @ u Madden! Denise gotta a full season of Palmer & DMC. Hue didn’t. 8-8 is pretty impressive when you have a 1,000,000 more things of adversity going on that Denise & Shreg do.
Anybody with a half a brain could see that our O was the strength the last 2 seasons and if we had a mediocre(not even good) defense we would have went to the playoffs last year. Hue with Del Rio would have been way better than what Shreg & his insecure pet could ever do.
BTW, the stadium was filled a lot more the last 2 years. I know you don’t understand this since you’re a little pu$$y hanging out at mom’s house on the computer all day, thus trying to play the internet genius.
But the fans want something to enjoy watching.
Now what do we have that is the selling point? I mean the few remaining Denise apologists like you are the ones that have never played football, go to games, buy merchandise, etc. So your “support” of them is worthless financial-wise. You just like to sit around all day whining about the great Al Davis. Somebody who obviously lived his dream & had the fortitude to achieve his goals in his life while you’re waiting for that divorced, snaggle-toothed 7-11 cashier to return your phone calls.
January 20th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Posted 12 hours ago
By Chris McPherson
The Oakland Raiders announced on Saturday evening that they have named Bobby April as their new special teams coordinator. April had spent the past three seasons in the same role with the Eagles. It’s another position that will have to be filled by new head coach Chip Kelly, who provided an update on the coaching search earlier in the day.
This past season, punter Mat McBriar averaged 46.5 yards per punt and punt returner Damaris Johnson returned a punt 98 yards for a touchdown at Dallas, marking a franchise record and tying for the third-longest punt return in NFL history. Kicker Alex Henery set a franchise record with 22 consecutive successful field goal attempts.
In 2011, April successfully integrated a rookie kicker and a rookie punter into the league. Henery set a team record connecting on 88.9 percent of his field goal tries, connecting on his last 16 attempts. April’s punt-coverage unit allowed just 176 return yards, the fourth fewest in the NFL, and the team ranked third in the league in yards per return.
In his first season with the Eagles in 2010, April’s group ranked seventh in the NFL in net-punting average, ninth in kickoff coverage and 12th in punt return average. Kicker David Akers led the league in scoring and was selected for the Pro Bowl, while punter Sav Rocca set a franchise record with a 39.0 net-punting average.
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January 20th, 2013 at 7:01 am
Neil I am still chaffed raw from the tuck rule
Beside, Bellicheat is the devil himself
January 20th, 2013 at 7:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 4:58 am
I like the Bobby April hire.
still unsure about Olson … but I agree with Jhill & many others that your coaches are only as good as the players you have for them to work with
is Olson gonna cure Palmer’s turnover problem?
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Knapp already “fixed” that at the expense of red zone TDs.
I will trade an extra int for two extra TDs a game any day… as would anyone else in that watches the NFL.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I’m not sold on Olson, but I do like April a lot.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:09 am
I hate Billisacheat and his little biatch T Brady.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Are you kidding? Go ravens! No question about it! Lesser of two evils. Had the broncos won last week then I would be a patriots fan today. Again, lesser of two evils.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:13 am
When male reporters allowed in female locker rooms?
January 20th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Female reporters are allowed in male locker rooms.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Are* Male reporters……
January 20th, 2013 at 7:20 am
I also do not want the patriots to win another title, so I have to ask myself which NFC has the best chance to beat them, and that would be the 49ers. I don’t hold the regional hate against them that a lot of you do. If the afc game was first, and I knew the ravens had won then I would be going for the falcons.
Anyhow I had a dream last night that we were the top seed in the playoffs, but we blew a huge lead and lost in overtime To San Diego. I had a sub sandwich and in my rage I started smashing it against my man cave walls.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:22 am
This greg olsen hire, has tp starting written all over it. He doesnt have the playcalling accolades, hes made his name developing young qbs. And his power run and vertical gameplan takes alot of the short.timinf routes away, the one place he needs some work. I also think most of the tp haters say hes just an atlete, thats not true. But say it is, we know have probably top 15 atletes in the game not just qb. how many qbs brwak out their senior year in college? He didnt have that. And to me this guy has been humbled. I dont think he ever had to work on his game. He got out of bed better than everyone else. No work needed.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:27 am
The Olson hire was the best cheapest option out there. Since DA made the decision, no doubt he didn’t want a high profile guy coming in here, especially one with HC experience like Martz or Norv. The other hot OC candidates were all looking for HC gigs. This is why Olson is your new OC.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:27 am
Now you have one of the top athletes in the game. Who is willing to outwork anyone. I also read into rms press con. He made a point to say even num.1 qb is open. And I know about the cap hits if we get rid of palmer, but palmer said.himself the money isnt everything. I could see a lot of athletes taking less money for a shot to leave a legacy. I hope hes willing to do whatever for that last shot to prove himself elsewhere
January 20th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Of the teams left that I don’t dislike is the dirty birds. With that said I really want the 49ers to lose a Super Bowl. I think I want the Ravens v. 49ers.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Kaepernik will wilt under the pressure of the bright lights.
Bill Polian was the only one that had the Falcons vs. Ravens in the SB in the beginning of the season. I hope that will be the case because the whiners and patriots are the teams i hate the most.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:33 am
Myopinion Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 7:22 am
This greg olsen hire, has tp starting written all over it. He doesnt have the playcalling accolades, hes made his name developing young qbs. And his power run and vertical gameplan takes alot of the short.timinf routes away, the one place he needs some work
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He needs a ton of work on all of his routes. Years worth IMO.
To think this hire has anything to do with Pryor is wishful thinking considering Olson’s best year was with Bulger and Jackson.
Bulger and Jackson remind me of Palmer and McFadden.
You are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Pryor will be the backup QB for as long as Palmer is in the S and B. Why don’t you just deal with reality and move on?
January 20th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Pryor is a good athlete, who can’t throw very well.
He better make the eight choice and start working on his hands. His choice; ride the bench pretending to be a quarterback, or get on the field as a wr or te and contribute.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Right not eight…..fkn phone!
January 20th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Pryor is Kaepernik without the gun. You can’t survive as a QB in the NFL throwing floaters all the time. If your only good throw is the deep ball and you suck at the rest, you will be a backup QB your entire career.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:44 am
All the running QB’s this year have one thing that Pryor does not, an NFL arm.
Wilson, Kaepernik, RG3 even Vick all have NFL arms. Pryor has a backup arm. End of Story.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:45 am
neilb Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Plunketthead….
Hate the Pats but don’t want the Ravens to win after that cheap trick fake field goal they pulled against us.
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tuck rule weighs way more than a fake field goal in a game we already had lost…
January 20th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I’m not sold on Olson, but I do like April a lot.
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I dont get that at all, April isnt a good hire imho, he didnt fare well in 2012 an he had great players on that ST..
he is a pubes hair width better than what we had in 2012, so in other words CRAP!
January 20th, 2013 at 7:56 am
“Pryor is a good athlete, who can’t throw very well.
He better make the eight choice and start working on his hands. His choice; ride the bench pretending to be a quarterback, or get on the field as a wr or te and contribute.”
I agree 100% here. he can so many things so well he just cant throw the ball!! in the modern era, in today’s NFL you might have to throw the ball 60 times a game…so yeah its kind of important for a QB to have a god arm.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Team Needs:
Two Defensive Tackles: It doesn’t appear as though Richard Seymour will be back next year. Desmond Bryant is also a free agent. And I don’t need to point out that Tommy Kelly is a lazy player who is more interested in injuring the other quarterback than winning. Two defensive tackle upgrades are needed. One could be Star Lotulelei via the third pick this April, as seen here in my 2013 NFL Mock Draft.
Two Cornerbacks: As you’ll see, the Raiders need multiples of various things on defense, including cornerbacks. This area was so bad this past season that safety Michael Huff had to start at one of the positions.
Three Linebackers: Not one, not two, but three. The linebacking corps is that putrid. Philip Wheeler is a free agent who must be retained. Rolando McClain doesn’t really care. Miles Burris, meanwhile, was a disappointment, but is still young, so he’ll likely get another shot.
Defensive End: Excluding the Jaguars, no team had fewer sacks in the NFL last year than the Raiders. The front office needs to find some help across from Lamarr Houston. Damonte Moore could be a possibility with the No. 3 pick in the 2013 NFL Draft.
Right Tackle: The right tackle position has been a big problem area for the Raiders in recent years. Neither Khalif Barnes nor Willie Smith played well there in 2012.
Quarterback: Carson Palmer just turned 33. He’s good enough to get a team into the playoffs if he has good talent to work with and a solid defense to support him, but that’s clearly not the case. By the time Oakland rebuilds its team properly, Palmer will be too old to make a postseason run. Unless the Raiders think Terrelle Pryor is the long-term answer, they’ll need to bring in a young quarterback to groom behind Palmer.
Tight End: Brandon Myers caught 79 passes in 2012. The Raiders will obviously need to replace that production if he walks.
Guard: Left guard Cooper Carlisle is a free agent. Tony Bergstrom, a third-round pick in 2012, should be able to move into that position, but Oakland will have to add depth.
Punter: Shane Lechler is a free agent
Oakland Raiders Free Agents:
Salary Cap: TBA.
Philip Wheeler, OLB, Raiders. Age: 28.
Philip Wheeler was one of the most improved players in the NFL this past season. He thrived in every aspect, including blitzing, and he’s earned a huge pay day this spring. And to think, the Raiders obtained him for a mere 1-year, $700,000 contract during the previous offseason.
Richard Seymour, DT, Raiders. Age: 33.
Richard Seymour has been tremendous over the years, including the first half of this past season. Unfortunately, he missed the final eight games of his 2012 campaign because of a hamstring injury. He’ll be 34 in October, so it’s fair to wonder if his body is breaking down.
Brandon Myers, TE, Raiders. Age: 27.
Brandon Myers isn’t much of a blocker, but he was a very dependable target for Carson Palmer in 2012, catching close to 80 balls.
Desmond Bryant, DT, Raiders. Age: 27.
Desmond Bryant served as a solid interior pass-rusher after Richard Seymour was lost for the year. Excluding Lamarr Houston, no other Raider defensive lineman was better at applying pressure on the quarterback, though that’s not saying much.
Shane Lechler, P, Raiders. Age: 37.
Shane Lechler has been recognized as one of the NFL’s top punters over the years, but he appears to be finished at 37. His net punting average ranked in the bottom 10.
Cooper Carlisle, G, Raiders. Age: 36.
Cooper Carlisle pass protected well last season, but struggled to open up running lanes for Darren McFadden and Marcel Reece. Carlisle will be 36 in August, so he shouldn’t get anything more than the veteran minimum.
Joselio Hanson, CB, Raiders. Age: 32.
Joselio Hanson was one of Philadelphia’s final cuts prior to the season. The Raiders snatched him up, and he actually played pretty well for them as their nickel corner.
Mike Goodson, RB, Raiders. Age: 26.
Shawntae Spencer, CB, Raiders. Age: 31.
Phillip Adams (RFA), S, Raiders. Age: 25.
Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Raiders. Age: 26.
Michael Mitchell, S, Raiders. Age: 26.
Andre Carter, DE, Raiders. Age: 34.
Matt Giordano, S, Raiders. Age: 30.
Derek Hagan, WR, Raiders. Age: 28.
Khalif Barnes, OT, Raiders. Age: 31.
Omar Gaither, ILB, Raiders. Age: 29.
Matt Leinart, QB, Raiders. Age: 30.
Coye Francies (RFA), CB, Raiders. Age: 26.
January 20th, 2013 at 7:58 am
This Olson guys resume reads a lot like Hue’s before he got here.
QB coach the year before he joined us. Olson 7 stops in 11 years, Hue 6 stops in 11 years. 2 failed, 1-year stints as an OC with two different organizations. Prefers more PBS.
Damn near identical!!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Gdog im not mistic, im white. Palmer has just totally turned me off. I remember I was mad when they traded for him. Then he had an a great game, and I ate my words. I have no bias. But ive watched every game. I personally dont want him, will cheer for him 100%, hes one of those practice superstars, he probably looks beter than beady,manning in practice. But when the going gets tuff. He blows it everytime. The reason jason cambell, dalton did better than him.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Resign Bryant, Shaughnessy, and Wheeler.
Release/ trade TK and McClain.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:12 am
1- CB D Milliner
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
Or
1- DE/ OLB D Moore
3- DE Brandon Jenkins or CB Leon McFadden
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
January 20th, 2013 at 8:13 am
“Gdog im not mistic, im white. Palmer has just totally turned me off. ”
Palmer is a good soldier he kept quiet during the Knapp debacle and if Hue was here last year instead of Knapp you would have seen a different Palmer, one that was more tolerable. I saw a couple of times this season Palmer on the sidelines trying to talk with Knapp after coming off the field and Knapp rolling his eyes in arrogance not even listening to Palmer, it was a bad combination next year it will be different.
There is just not enough Drew Breeses in the world to go around so lets wait until next years draft and see if we can get our own Andrew Luck in 2014 but no way do we go after a QB in this years draft.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Resign Bryant, Shaughnessy, and Wheeler.
Release/ trade TK and McClain.
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so simple can it be said.
Furthermore, TEs, re-sign Myers if not, then try to get Logan Paulsen
January 20th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Noone knows for sure either way. Theres a good chance tp just started really working on his game. I mean,as a real qb. Id imagine hes been consisedered a god since probably 12 yrs old. easy to let thatget to your head. He dominated everything til becominf a pro. It seems that tatoo situation was the best thing that could of happened to him. Hes humbled. and noone can disagree his character has seemed to do a 180. Like him or.not. Hes the one player you just cant know for sure. Put his college comp. %, ill say thats before he actually had to put any work in
January 20th, 2013 at 8:15 am
SF up to -6
NE down to -7.5
Books will be rooting for ATL and BAL today.
Futures line for the SB:
AFC -2.5
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 am
RDE: Moore
DT: Houston, Bryant
DT: FA, Bilukidi
LDE: Shaughnessy, Jenkins
OLB: Wheeler
MLB: Andrew Jackson
OLB: Burris
CB: FA
CB: Adams/ Chekwa/ Ross
FS: Huff
SS: Branch
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Falcons ML is the value play of the day, take the Ravens with the points, and the over
January 20th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Excuse me, meant to say books will be rooting for ATL and NE
January 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am
LMN,
I think April did well with the Eagles, but he had talented players like Jackson, Maclin, etc..
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 am
If (big if) we can trade down:
1- DE/ OLB Moore (if he was available for some reason) or DT/ NT J Hankins
2- CB Xavier Rhodes or CB D Amerson
3- DE Brandon Jenkins
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
January 20th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Raiders need to draft all defense and aquire what they need on offense thru FA. Get this built so in ‘14, Gruden is off and running.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
This Olson guys resume reads a lot like Hue’s before he got here.
QB coach the year before he joined us. Olson 7 stops in 11 years, Hue 6 stops in 11 years. 2 failed, 1-year stints as an OC with two different organizations. Prefers more PBS.
Damn near identical!!!!
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JFB.
I noticed the same thing about Hue and Olson with one big difference.
In Hue’s 2 previous gigs as OC he was running Spurrier’s offense in Washington and Petrino’s in Atlanta, as you know that didn’t last long, it wasn’t until he came to the Raiders that he was able to develop his own type of offense.
In Olson’s case, he also took over another guy’s offense in Detroit (Mariucci) for 5 games and the Rams (Linehan), he then took over Jeff Jagodzinky’s offense in his 1st year in Tampa (2009) and then was able to implement his own in 2010 and 2011 with mixed results, 2010 was good, 2011 was really bad.
The point is we have seen Olson run his own offense before, Tampa Bay in 2010-2011, we did not see Hue’s offense until he arrived here.
Truth is, I’m very slowly warming up to Greg Olson, as long as he designs an offense that fits the players we should get better, how much better? we’ll have to wait on that one.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am
LMN,
I think April did well with the Eagles, but he had talented players like Jackson, Maclin, etc..
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based on what?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 am
I’m certainly not enthused with the Olson pickup, I would have much preferred Martz, but I will stay with my typical cautiously optimistic approach.
I guess the whole “anyone but Knapp” theory will be put to the test.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Falcons ML is the value play of the day,
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Based on their record at home, it would seem that way.
But I’m not sold on ATL.
As I’ve stated before, any team that should have lost to the RAIDS has no business sniffing the SB.
On a neutral field, there’s little doubt in my mind that the Niners work the Falcs.
SF has the better D and the better ground game.
They’re more physical.
ATL folds in the playoffs, again.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:30 am
And can someone tweet Jerry or Cork and ask them for clarification on the Reggie quote on Norv?
Was the “was” supposed to be a “Was” or was it supposed to be a “Wasn’t”, as far as him being interested.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:31 am
All the AFC West teams are being built to beat the Raiders. Raiders need to be built to beat all teams in the NFL. Starts with Gruden in ‘14. Set the table this year. ‘14 will be the return of the Raiders. ‘13 will be bumpy at best. Bring back the days of Pride and Poise, Commitment to Excellence and Just Win Baby. This will be a year to get the team in order for ‘14. To many bugs to fix in one season. Won’t happen this year. We are to wishy washy right now, but if Big Reg can lay it down, ‘14 will be big.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Raider O
595 was a very solid and objective evaluation of our situation and I agree with most of it.
I still beleive our line talent RELATIVE TO GOOD COMPETITION is a bit worse that your assessment but that is a minor issue.
The point I have tried to make for a while is that Raider player talent is far below what many on this blog seem to think. The best comparison to a gold standard if you will is how we have performed against playoff teams for the last ten years.
The stats that matter the most are wins and losses. I would hope most agree with that.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51.
Though garbage time can imapact it, I calculated point differential because it is frightening.
The point differential in the losses is a whopping 29-12.
The 2011 Raiders (some seem to think that team was a juggernaut on the cusp of greatness) under Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
THAT IS THE COLD REALITY UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
In my opinion the gap in talent against elite competition is so great we will need two very solid drafts to get close to being relevant again.
That is why I have said coaching and scheme mean very little until we fix the talent problem.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:35 am
What do you think Reggie will have to receive in picks to consider trading Pryor?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:37 am
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51
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I bet more than half of those wins were under the great Tommy Cable.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:37 am
I guess the whole “anyone but Knapp” theory will be put to the test.
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Krapp sucking isn’t a theory. It’s an indisputable fact.
Olson might turn out to be a turd as well, but the chances of him being worse than Krapp are next to nil.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:38 am
What do you think Reggie will have to receive in picks to consider trading Pryor?
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Mid to early 3rd or better. What we paid for him.
I don’t think he would do it for a package of later picks (say a 5th and6th this year, and a 5th next year) type thing.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:40 am
Charlie,
I got it from Walter Football. I agree with it too.
Well said Charlie. Excellent post, and you can’t argue with that logic.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Raider O..
Bobby April on his performance in 2011..
–”The Philadelphia Eagles’ kickoff-return average of 20.9 yards last season ranked 31st in the NFL. Their 7.07-yard punt-return average ranked 28th. “We were terrible,” special teams coordinator Bobby April said. “We had terrible results … It’s hard to put a finger on (exactly why), we were just really inept. I can only say the ineptitude comes from me, because what we were asking guys to do, they were unable to perform it.”"–
http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-07/sports/32079920_1_desean-jackson-kickoff-eagles
January 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am
That is why I have said coaching and scheme mean very little until we fix the talent problem.
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Coaching and scheme still mean plenty.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am
LMN,
I think April did well with the Eagles, but he had talented players like Jackson, Maclin, etc..
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based on what?
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Dakota Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Posted 12 hours ago
By Chris McPherson
The Oakland Raiders announced on Saturday evening that they have named Bobby April as their new special teams coordinator. April had spent the past three seasons in the same role with the Eagles. It’s another position that will have to be filled by new head coach Chip Kelly, who provided an update on the coaching search earlier in the day.
This past season, punter Mat McBriar averaged 46.5 yards per punt and punt returner Damaris Johnson returned a punt 98 yards for a touchdown at Dallas, marking a franchise record and tying for the third-longest punt return in NFL history. Kicker Alex Henery set a franchise record with 22 consecutive successful field goal attempts.
In 2011, April successfully integrated a rookie kicker and a rookie punter into the league. Henery set a team record connecting on 88.9 percent of his field goal tries, connecting on his last 16 attempts. April’s punt-coverage unit allowed just 176 return yards, the fourth fewest in the NFL, and the team ranked third in the league in yards per return.
In his first season with the Eagles in 2010, April’s group ranked seventh in the NFL in net-punting average, ninth in kickoff coverage and 12th in punt return average. Kicker David Akers led the league in scoring and was selected for the Pro Bowl, while punter Sav Rocca set a franchise record with a 39.0 net-punting average.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Raider O..
in 2012 they once again was down in the late 20’s
http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/eagles-talk/April-blames-himself-for-Eagles-special-?blockID=802285
no wonder he was fired, bad HIRE, BAD BAD BAD..
January 20th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Was April the coach responsible for having the Eagle return man lie down on the turf in an attempt to hide him ?
That was pretty funny.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:45 am
I know D Jackson is a great returner, nut he needs people to block.
Like I said, I thought April did a good job with the Eagles, but he did have great talent to work with.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:46 am
As far as the Terrelle Pryor debate…
The kid is not a precise thrower yet and he may never become one, except for the deep ball where he seems to have some nice touch, but his ability to move around and create time allows receivers to break free, get open and for him to make easy throws and not have to force the ball into tight windows, if everyone is covered he can always take off and run.
You can design an offense around his skills if you implement some moving pockets and some of the pistol-zone-read stuff.
I see this guy as Vince Young without the baggage, TP has the drive and work ethic that VY lacked, we have also seen some leadership skills in TP that VY also lacked once he got in the NFL, and Pryor is twice the athlete VY was.
I think TP is in a good spot right now, by becoming the backup QB he’s finally going to get some serious reps and be able to develop faster, something the kid has lacked the previous 2 years.
TP remains a project, but people writting him off already are wrong, I remember a guy who was told he was not an NFL QB and people tried to make him a DB but he kept working hard and after a few years he turned into a prety good QB, his name was Rich Gannon.
Let’s just give TP another year, now as the back-up and see how far he can take it, kid is cheap, works hard and has unbelievable athleticism, he’s worth the shot.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 am
But*
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 am
WOW, thats painting it nice..
ONE stat from ONE game, even though their general stats suck..
we should have hired some new guy from college or something, Bobby April sucks..
im waiting for one of my philly friends to send me the stats, but all places he have been his STs have been bad except the 2 times he won ST coach of the year…
January 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Was April the coach responsible for having the Eagle return man lie down on the turf in an attempt to hide him ?
That was pretty funny.
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I loved that, it ws very clever, only sad that one player effed up down the field..
January 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
I 2nd that bob
January 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
JFB
Correct. 5-13 under Cable against playoff teams.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Bobby April has a track-record of success at what he does, no other Coach on our staff has it and that’s enough to make him a good hire.
April would have been able to find a job as ST Coach in the NFL other than the Raiders, can’t say that about our HC, OC or DC.
ST’s has become a pretty tough job because your players are always changing from one year to the next, bottom of the roster guys who end up as Special Teamers don’t last long on a single NFL roster, so continuity is not there to work with, you almost have to start all over every year.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:56 am
Raidermann
I said UNTIL we fix the talent problem.
When you are not only losing 85% of your games against playoff teams but getting pummeled by almost 30-10 on average, the team is dead from a talent perspective.
Too many holes to compete.
Once we actually rebuild a bit I agree that coaching and scheme can make a difference.
The talent gap has simply been too big for any coach to make a big impact. That is why ten different staffs over the past decade have basically gotten the SAME results with the Raiders.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:00 am
“I guess the whole “anyone but Knapp” theory will be put to the test.”
This is so funny!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:01 am
and Pryor is twice the athlete VY was.
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Wow, I don’t know about that.
I think it is very debatable VY is a better athlete, certainly not half the athlete.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:03 am
When we got Palmer he said he had “9mill saved in the bank so money was never the issue” so I think he will be up for restructure of his contract unless he doesn’t wanna be a Raider!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:06 am
TP remains a project, but people writting him off already are wrong, I remember a guy who was told he was not an NFL QB and people tried to make him a DB but he kept working hard and after a few years he turned into a prety good QB, his name was Rich Gannon.
Let’s just give TP another year, now as the back-up and see how far he can take it, kid is cheap, works hard and has unbelievable athleticism, he’s worth the shot.
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I’m very skeptical about TP’s throwing ability.
The way I look at it is:
If TP can throw well, he can be a franchise QB.
If TP is only a mediocre passer, he still has enough other attributes and intangibles to be a viable NFL QB.
If TP is an atrocious passer – TE or WR, here we come.
Taking it a step further…
When you’re 4-12 and perilously close to being 0-16 without KC and the Jags on the schedule…
When it’s pretty obvious that building around CP isn’t feasible…
It’s time to make a fking move.
START TP.
Make a determination on him ASAP.
Absolutely NOTHING to lose.
Couldn’t give a crap if we go 0-16 with TP.
If that happens we’ll know we need a QB and be in position to draft the best one. Maybe Manziel.
But for Christ’s sake let’s get off the dime and keep our eye on the prize. LOMBARDI NUMBER 4.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Bobby April has a track-record of success at what he does, no other Coach on our staff has it and that’s enough to make him a good hire.
April would have been able to find a job as ST Coach in the NFL other than the Raiders, can’t say that about our HC, OC or DC.
ST’s has become a pretty tough job because your players are always changing from one year to the next, bottom of the roster guys who end up as Special Teamers don’t last long on a single NFL roster, so continuity is not there to work with, you almost have to start all over every year.
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BULL!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Raidermann
I said UNTIL we fix the talent problem.
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I know what you said Charlie.
I disagree.
I maintain that coaching and scheme are plenty important even while you’re fixing the talent problem.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:12 am
I think our situation, makes tp a good fit. To the ones who hate him, but also are begging to use our personell to thier syrengths. Its kind of a contradiction to me. Our recievers are in no way polished recievers, more like bad ass athletes, who need time and space to be elite, mc20 also, you cant say cp gives that. For cp to be at his best he needs everything to be oerfect, great oline, great wrs and a great d, cause we all know he will put them in awful situations. Maybe the patriots would be what he needs
January 20th, 2013 at 9:19 am
RAIDERMAN99
Yeah, Vince Young was an average passer at best and he had great success early in his career, but he lacked the drive and work ethic to get better, then he started with some attitude issues and ended up wasting his career.
I think TP has the same kind of potential except he comes with the right attitude, if he can put it all together we might have something here.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 am
VY was a shirtless loser who likes to get drunk and dance with other shirtless teammates from Texas.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Btw, TP is a better Athlete than VY. Look at VY’s pic shirtless drinking/ dancing with Texas teammates. Compare that with TP’s pic/ video running shirtless at his pro day.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Raidermann
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed.
I do believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby delaying progress not accelerating it.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Bob, I agree.
We might have something here.
Something really good.
I know people keep talking about TP’s delivery stinking like VY’s.
I don’t see that at all.
I actually think his throwing motion looks pretty darned good.
People keep saying he throws floaters and don’t think he has good arm strength.
I think his arm strength is good. The floaters I saw against SD seemed to be a result of him trying to put too much ‘touch’ on his longer throws.
I like the kid.
Don’t buy for a second that he’s too dumb to learn an offense or read a defense.
JaMoron, yes. Lost cause from day one.
Pryor, no. He will get it.
I’m not too worried about TP getting his shot.
Personally, I’m convinced CP is done and 2013 is his last year as a RAIDER and probably as an NFL player.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Meanwhile, I see our President just took the Oath of Office for his second term.
Too bad MistaBrown’s not here. I’d LOVE to ask him when the “Romney Landslide” is going to happen.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
January 20th, 2013 at 9:37 am
Raiders to hire new head of operations
Scott Oneil to take over as head of franchise?
He ran Madison Square Garden?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Btw, TP is a better Athlete than VY. Look at VY’s pic shirtless drinking/ dancing with Texas teammates. Compare that with TP’s pic/ video running shirtless at his pro day
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Do you generally image search shirtless athletes?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Some numbnut on bspn just announced that
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Are the Raiders hiring a team president?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 am
we need to hire jeremy bates as QC coach..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:37 am
Raiders to hire new head of operations
Scott Oneil to take over as head of franchise?
He ran Madison Square Garden?
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Link?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Yeah I thought i heard that
January 20th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Another numbnuts?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:41 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 am
we need to hire jeremy bates as QC coach..
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QB coach even =)
January 20th, 2013 at 9:42 am
From Twitter:
Adam Schefter
Raiders engaged in discussions with former Madison Square Garden president Scott O’Neil about becoming president of their organization.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:43 am
I cant remember mare than once or twice our pr even had a chance to return it. All the other parts seem interchangeable. the cowboys and steelers offense have neen good and most of thier big plays are playground style. This year todd haley kinda took that out. And it hurt them. Also our defence until there real strong, those 2 3 yard runs for 1st downs to keep them off the field. Isvaluable. Another thing, in my opinion the most important part of defemce is emotion. And until the last game our whole team had none.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Raiderman bingo hit the nail on the obvious head, this will be Palmer’s last year as a raider, probably retire.
I like pryor, and the raiders blew it by letting palmer pad stats on to a losing season, pryor should have gotten more time period, don’t know what the hell this staff was thinking-
And again let myers walk, sign keller.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:49 am
whats the 411 on scott o’neil?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:51 am
hire anybody thats has the sack to fire reggie…
January 20th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Morilla Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Btw, TP is a better Athlete than VY. Look at VY’s pic shirtless drinking/ dancing with Texas teammates. Compare that with TP’s pic/ video running shirtless at his pro day
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Do you generally image search shirtless athletes?
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LOL
No.
I remember seeing VY’s pic when it generated media buzz a few years back, and I’m huge Buckeye fan, so I was watching TP run at his pro day which he did shirtless.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:51 am
hire anybody thats has the sack to fire reggie…
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Chill. Reggie just hired an OC that’s bringing back your beloved angle-blocking. What more do you want?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:54 am
I really dont get the pryor discussions AT ALL.
#1…he is not that good…he is still a developmental project……yes, he played better than anticipated which makes you want to continue to work with him….but as far as being ready to go out and play against real competition…..in games that count….no friggin way
#2….like it or not CP is the started QB in 2013…and probably 2014…unless injury there is no other realistic possibility……they arent going to bring in someone who can actually compete because it will cost too much….they arent going to sit CP because it too high price for someone on the bench….they arent going to cut him because the cap hit….right now the most likely QB we add to the staff is…..drum roll…….matt leinart…..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:54 am
What about Ray Anderson?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:51 am
hire anybody thats has the sack to fire reggie…
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hell no, we need the sense Reggie has given this franchise, we gonna have some real crappy years, yes, but then we will come out strong an with a healthy economy and money to sign proper players. this sh1t with putting out fires all over the place clearly doesnt work.
Reggie expect us to be debtfree in 2014, meanwhile we building a foundation..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/20/another-name-emerges-in-possible-raiders-restructuring/
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 am
scott o’neil hire (if it happens) is probably not on the football side of things, but the business side.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
The hiring of Olson was “having to settle for Olson” my take is that they wanted Marc Trestman. The best we should expect from Olson is a mediocre Offense with the only positive that he can develop TP. There is no one from either reading or direct conversation that is excited about Olson, more so beleiving that DA has sealed his fate, and we are doomed to a 6-10 2013 record.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:04 am
well at least we didnt hire Mike Martz or Mike Tice as OC..
January 20th, 2013 at 10:05 am
hire anybody thats has the sack to fire reggie…
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hell no, we need the sense Reggie has given this franchise, we gonna have some real crappy years, yes, but then we will come out strong an with a healthy economy and money to sign proper players. this sh1t with putting out fires all over the place clearly doesnt work.
Reggie expect us to be debtfree in 2014, meanwhile we building a foundation..
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reggie’s “sense” hired the least qualified HC in the NFL….thats where reggie’s sense took us…….everything is rippling down from that crappy decision……bad coordinators…bad free agents…..all come from reggies shiitty decision
January 20th, 2013 at 10:06 am
La Milicia
I agree that 2014 will be the year we can begin to compete if we nail our next two drafts.
I think Reggie has said some profound things.
He was not hired to model menswear, appear on late night TV or be on the cover of GQ.
He wants to build our team the right way-through the draft.
He has also pointed out that it is his job to find good college players that really love to play football-not just “say’ they love it (see Rolando/Jr etc.)
That has been one of the biggest failings of the Raiders over the last ten years. Drafting the wrong guys and overpaying free agents.
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
January 20th, 2013 at 10:07 am
i want a gm that wants to improve the team…..get some real players a real coach…nor scrubs…
January 20th, 2013 at 10:07 am
He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
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and provided them with the least qualified staff in the NFL
January 20th, 2013 at 10:12 am
lol…the right way…funny sh!t…
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
TP remains a project, but people writting him off already are wrong, I remember a guy who was told he was not an NFL QB and people tried to make him a DB but he kept working hard and after a few years he turned into a prety good QB, his name was Rich Gannon.
Let’s just give TP another year, now as the back-up and see how far he can take it, kid is cheap, works hard and has unbelievable athleticism, he’s worth the shot.
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I have yet to see anyone say we need to get rid of him unless someone like Philly makes us an offer we cant refuse (2nd rounder?) so I wish that straw man would go away.
What us “Pryor haters” are saying is he is nothing more than a BACKUP right now, and CP is our starter until he gets injured for at least one more year, and if he plays well enough, prolly TWO! GET OVER IT.
Its maddening to see anything but this dose of reality here.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Otto
Reggie had nothing to do with the mess that took nine years to create.
It will not get fixed in one.
OUR PLAYERS CAN NOT COMPETE AT THE NFL LEVEL!!!!!!
ROUNDS ONE AND TWO THE LAST 10 Drafts.
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
That’s 21 picks. ONLY FIVE WERE ALONG THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. Simple math says that 9 of your 22 starters are lineman which means AT LEAST NINE PICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR LINEMAN.
WE HAVE DRAFTED POORLY AND IGNORED LINE PLAY. DISASTROUS!
Panic set in and we started to sign past the prime free agents and trade picks in 2007 and later.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $30 million for 2012-nearly three times the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
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and made them less talented by hiring coaches that implemented systems that did not take advantage of their strengths
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
00tt00 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:54 am
I really dont get the pryor discussions AT ALL.
#1…he is not that good…he is still a developmental project……yes, he played better than anticipated which makes you want to continue to work with him….but as far as being ready to go out and play against real competition…..in games that count….no friggin way
#2….like it or not CP is the started QB in 2013…and probably 2014…unless injury there is no other realistic possibility……they arent going to bring in someone who can actually compete because it will cost too much….they arent going to sit CP because it too high price for someone on the bench….they arent going to cut him because the cap hit….right now the most likely QB we add to the staff is…..drum roll…….matt leinart…..
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3 things.
1) Realistically they could draft someone and start them over Palmer, justifiably or not. Hopefully that isn’t this year because the QBs this year suck.
2) “Too high priced to sit on the bench” is bad team management at every level. First you are paying the guy too much. Then you are sitting the better player. The depth chart shouldn’t be sorted by dollar amounts.
3) Matt Leinart is among the least likely QBs to be on this roster next year.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:14 am
00tt00 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:05 am
hire anybody thats has the sack to fire reggie…
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hell no, we need the sense Reggie has given this franchise, we gonna have some real crappy years, yes, but then we will come out strong an with a healthy economy and money to sign proper players. this sh1t with putting out fires all over the place clearly doesnt work.
Reggie expect us to be debtfree in 2014, meanwhile we building a foundation..
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reggie’s “sense” hired the least qualified HC in the NFL….thats where reggie’s sense took us…….everything is rippling down from that crappy decision……bad coordinators…bad free agents…..all come from reggies shiitty decision
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Al Davis hired guys with even lesser experience, and then you loved it..
you gotta realize that no HC wanted to be HC in Oakland, those who would was not that good, and it was all because of bad decisions made by the old management..
DA has the team and players behind him, and thats much more than we have had in many of the recent years.. this in not an avalanche but a very slowmoving glacier..
with slow and secure movements we will be an attractive place to be again, but we only get there by facing reality, and fact is most players and coaches dont want to come here..
January 20th, 2013 at 10:16 am
BLACKBONES Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
The hiring of Olson was “having to settle for Olson” my take is that they wanted Marc Trestman. The best we should expect from Olson is a mediocre Offense with the only positive that he can develop TP. There is no one from either reading or direct conversation that is excited about Olson, more so beleiving that DA has sealed his fate, and we are doomed to a 6-10 2013 record.
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eh, I’d say 5-11
January 20th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:07 am
i want a gm that wants to improve the team…..get some real players a real coach…nor scrubs…
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Did or did not Reggie get rid of useless trash like Bruce Campbell and Louis Murphy, getting players and picks in return?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Otto
The stats that matter the most are wins and losses. I would hope most agree with that.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51!!!!!!
The point differential in the losses is a whopping 29-12.
The 2011 Raiders under Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
THAT IS THE COLD REALITY UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I also believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby delaying progress not accelerating it.
We need two really good drafts to be able to compete again. We simply cannot compete regardless of scheme, time zone, coaching, temperature of the hot dogs and any other meaningless attribute one can think of. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:20 am
I hope it really just was that knapps scjeme was a bad fit for carson. He looked good to end his first season with us. I think. I just know I was confident going into the season with him. tuff this year. just weird that cambell, and dalton two lesser qbs, have doned vetter with his teams.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Is it April 25th yet?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 am
and replaced them with briesel and criner? wtf?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:22 am
The stats that matter the most are wins and losses. I would hope most agree with that.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51!!!!!!
The point differential in the losses is a whopping 29-12.
The 2011 Raiders under Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
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2-4 is better than 9-52.
We should have kept Hue.
Down for the Clown!!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:23 am
I’m not arguing the talent was not there….and that there were cap issues….that was indeed circumstances reggie could not control……so he gets a pass for those
he does not get a pass in my book for hiring the 2nd least qualified coach in the history of the NFL…davis hiring of kiffen was worst in nfl history……that is his first and biggest decision he had control over….the bad coaching hire resulted in bad coaching staff and will make it harder to attract the talent you say we need…….further…because of the bad coaching hire what talent we did have was made worse
THIS IS ALL ON REGGIE!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:23 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Is it April 25th yet?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s my favorite part of the season especially the last 8+ years.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Just think if only we had retained Satele & Murphy, we would be playing today; who would’a thunk?
Only you!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 am
684,
Right. Continuity IS important.
That’s why they should’ve kept Hue.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Hue set this franchise back another four years with the palmer trade, he abused his authority; no way he should’ve been retained.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am
O
I wish we had kept Cable as well.
The constant coaching churn has contributed to our demise.
Otto
Four year deals were given to a rookie GM and HC because of all the issues I pointed out earlier.
I would love to have gotten Gruden or Del Rio.
Guys like that simply wait for better opportunities because they can.
Our reality impacts everything Reggie can do till 2014.
It is very complicated with many variables impacting many others.
I have simply pointed out that if we can get better players many of these issues begin to get corrected by default. Too big a talent gap right now to compete against good teams. The most pressing matter is getting better talent on the field.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Al Davis hired guys with even lesser experience, and then you loved it..
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actually I hated most of the davis hires….the one thing I was looking forward to when Al was gone was being able to hire a qualified coaching staff……and look what we got
as for my opinion of the davis hires…
shanahan-disliked
shell I -liked
white-liked
bugle-disliked
gruden-liked
callahan-liked
turner-disliked
shell II-disliked
kiffen-DISLIKED
cable-liked
jackson-liked
allen-DISLIKED
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 am
yeah criner the only guy slower than mcclain…lmao
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 am
“NFC Championship Today!”
“Buy Your Season Tickets for the New Stadium Now”
Raiders:
“Shut up and be Patient!”
“We’re looking closely at some nice prospects from Green Bay’s practice squad”
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 am
The Raiders cap situatio is not as bad as McKenzie andMckenzie apologists would lead you to believe. Assuming we say goodbye to Seymour, DHB takes a significant paycut or gets cut, Brisiel is waived, maybe TK is waived and another move or two (I say trade Branch) then RM will have plent of room to work with. If Palmer is traded and we can avoid that cap hit then we’ll have a ton of room. I don’t think we should do that, but if that happens then forget about the cap excuse.
I realize there’s some dead money out there, but who else on this team is making anything? Maybe Huff. McFadden’s due like $5 mil. Guys like Moore, Streater, Veldheer, Wiz, Houston, Mitchell, Burress, Pryor,Ford and on and on are not making much or would be bargains to resign (Mitchell). No one on our oline is making big money. Really no one on the defednse if TK and Seymour go except Branch and Huff, and those guys aren’t really near 8 figures. -
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Al davis football knowledge, gives him the lyxury of hirinf a lesser coach he can teach yp. Seems reggie just figured out this week we werent using our okayers right
January 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Ok. I’ll go along with should’ve kept Cable.
Continuity IS important.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Our reality impacts everything Reggie can do till 2014.
It is very complicated with many variables impacting many others.
I have simply pointed out that if we can get better players many of these issues begin to get corrected by default. Too big a talent gap right now to compete against good teams. The most pressing matter is getting better talent on the field.
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THERE WERE BETTER COACHES THAN DA……..PERIOD
and because of DA we are trying to fill the gap in player talent with one arm tied behind our backs…..sure we are OK with the draft because those guys are captive for at least 4 years…….but because of DA we will only attract 2nd rate free agents which makes the build more difficult and longer
January 20th, 2013 at 10:40 am
We need to draft Pass rushers and CB, and we can sign an OT and NT in FA.
Draft:
1- DE/ OLB D Moore or CB D Milliner
3- DE/ OLB B Jenkins or CB Leon McFadden
4- MLB Andrew Jackson
January 20th, 2013 at 10:41 am
How is SF so darn loaded in every area?
They have a salary cap too don’t they?
How about Denver?
Yet we apparently have a roster full of lamers and we’re still in cap hell.
Things can be done.
Chris in NY points out some of those things.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:42 am
If we are 6-10 or worse next season with multiple blowouts then Dennis must be let go after the season is over. The Raiders must prove they will stand by their coach in order to lure the Cowhers, Dungys, Johnsons, Grudens.
Plus I do think we will draft a qb next year (2014 draft).
We simply do not have a 2nd this year to use on a G. Smith & Co. this draft.
Possibility of taking a flyer with our 6/7th round picks though.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Chris
I agree this year is much better than last regarding the cap.
Last year we were $30 million over.
This year we are $5 million over.
I was pointing out the situation when Reggie took the job.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Scott o’Neal for Raiders team president????
WTF Mark?????
January 20th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Fck mumbles and tits can’t wait till there fired next year
January 20th, 2013 at 10:44 am
00tt00 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Al Davis hired guys with even lesser experience, and then you loved it..
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actually I hated most of the davis hires….the one thing I was looking forward to when Al was gone was being able to hire a qualified coaching staff……and look what we got
as for my opinion of the davis hires…
shanahan-disliked
shell I -liked
white-liked
bugle-disliked
gruden-liked
callahan-liked
turner-disliked
shell II-disliked
kiffen-DISLIKED
cable-liked
jackson-liked
allen-DISLIKED
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cant fathom why you liked the Hue hire, he is huge reason why we cant get great players, he effed this franchise up big time..
yeah, we all wanted great coaches, but you gotta realize we cant force them to go here, so as long we have a crappy history no-one will go here.. I think DA is absolutely right guy in this transition-phase and I think Reggie is absolutely right guy to get us through this phase..
January 20th, 2013 at 10:45 am
O’neil is Grudens selection. I don’t know why people can’t see him and Mark are putting the pieces in place. Watch the draft. We will draft fast physical defense guys only and aquire offense guys thru FA. It will be Grudens team in ‘14.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am
he Raiders cap situatio is not as bad as McKenzie andMckenzie apologists would lead you to believe. Assuming we say goodbye to Seymour, DHB takes a significant paycut or gets cut, Brisiel is waived, maybe TK is waived and another move or two (I say trade Branch) then RM will have plent of room to work with. If Palmer is traded and we can avoid that cap hit then we’ll have a ton of room. I don’t think we should do that, but if that happens then forget about the cap excuse.
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they just signed branch last year to an extension…he is in their long term plans
January 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am
SF in because Willis is an allpro mlb, McClain is unprofessional paycheck collector; main reason, period.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am
DJ
Those teams drafted much better than us over the last ten years.
They also did not spend $150 million in the uncapped year for grossly overrated talent.
The mess took nine years to create. It is not geting fixed in one or two. I have predicted we will be a playoff candidate in 2014 IF WE NAIL OUR NEXT TWO DRAFTS.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Interesting line from Jerry Mac’s story on the O’Neil interview…
According to the New York Times, O’Neil “gradually increased his involvement in Knicks’ personnel decisions, often to the annoyance of the basketball operations staff
January 20th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Continuity is important, but not as important as talent and only if you’re talking about maintaining continuity of talent.
Keeping Hue was important for continuity because Hue is a talented coach.
Keeping Dennis Allen for continuity is not really important or beneficial, just like Knapp.
Reggie is either delusional about DA, stubborn, or the Raiders are committed to tearing this whole thing down over last year and this coming year and Allen is pretty much being sacrificed while they suck it up so the next coach can come in and not have the fans calling for his head before they get good again.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Scott o’Neal for Raiders team president????
WTF Mark?????
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It’s good. All business. No agenda other than sound business practices. Plus, he’s Grudens pick. I like the choice. He’ll keep us in Oakland and package the new stadium deal.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:48 am
The NY Jets are reportedly $30 million of the cap for next season. Going to be interesting how the team’s GM handles that situation.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:49 am
DJ
See the comments about Denver being under the cap back in early 2012. That is how you “can get things done”.
In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
January 20th, 2013 at 10:49 am
My last post. Guess none likes what the new guys saying.. This probably wont happen. What if the went up to palmer and said, youre not our starter, I think theres a chance he does what he has toto be a starter somewhere. If moneys not num. 1 to him
January 20th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Palmer is not good enough to carry a bad team with bad coaching on his back.
Not many are.
It doesn’t mean he’s a schlep, it means he’s not elite in that way.
Some here saying Brady or Manning would’ve taken THIS TEAM to the playoffs.
If that’s true, then dump EVERYBODY making over a mill a yr. and throw it all at any QB considered “Elite”.
Flacco and his agent say HE is “elite”…top 5 in league.
How confident would you be that he would take us to the playoffs and beyond?
I’m not.
So who? Or is it really a team game after all?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Via Rotoworld.com:
ESPN Dallas mentions Hue Jackson, Jim Caldwell, and Mike Tice as potential offensive play-caller options for the Cowboys.
Jackson is an assistant head coach for the Bengals and was linked as a possible Panthers OC candidate before losing out to Mike Shula. Caldwell is currently calling plays for the Ravens, and Tice was recently let go after coordinating the Bears offense for one season in 2012. In-house candidates are QBs coach Wade Wilson and OL coach/OC Bill Callahan. Jason Garrett has been reluctant to give up his play-calling duties, but Jerry Jones seems intent on finding a solution.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:52 am
#714. I agree continuity is important. Look at NE. But in Philadelphia it was good to let Andy go. Same here in Oakland. Allen will be just like Andy in Philadelphia. Never get us to the big one. When Gruden gets here in ‘14, continuity will be here for a long time.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 7:58 am
This Olson guys resume reads a lot like Hue’s before he got here.
QB coach the year before he joined us. Olson 7 stops in 11 years, Hue 6 stops in 11 years. 2 failed, 1-year stints as an OC with two different organizations. Prefers more PBS.
Damn near identical!!!!
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Except that Tampa got way better on offense once Mike Sullivan got there. How did we look going from Hue to Knapp?
Also, there’s the minor difference of their personality traits. Hue exudes confidence, Greg Olson exudes lapdog obedience to manboobs Denise.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Jackson is an assistant head coach for the Bengals
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I thought some folks were saying he got demoted from DB coach????
Asst HC?????
January 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Chris
We have not been good since 2002.
You could have the best coaches in the wolrd and we would would still get pummeled by good teams. (9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years with seven different coaching staffs).
DA has a 4 year deal because he was highly regarded in NFL circles. You may not like the results yet.
It does not mean he is incompetent.
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $30 million over the cap when you take the job.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
J Hill
Rotoworld got it wrong.
On the Bengals official website Hubris is listed as: Assistant Special Teams/Assistant Defensive Backs
January 20th, 2013 at 10:56 am
How is the former president of Madison Square Garden Gruden’s pick?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Palmer is better than Flacco in my book. Manning is a special case because he’s essentially a player-coach. Manning, Brady, Brees and Rodgers are the only truly “elite” QBs. There are several more behind them who are very good and can win in this league. I’d put, Roethlisberger, Eli, Palmer, Ryan, Flacco, Luck, RG3 and others in this group and I expect RG3 and Luck to ascend to elite status very soon, perhaps as soon as the 2013 season.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 am
BillyBobJoe Unplugged Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:45 am
O’neil is Grudens selection. I don’t know why people can’t see him and Mark are putting the pieces in place. Watch the draft. We will draft fast physical defense guys only and aquire offense guys thru FA. It will be Grudens team in ‘14.
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Gruden wanted a basketball guy?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 am
cant fathom why you liked the Hue hire, he is huge reason why we cant get great players, he effed this franchise up big time..
yeah, we all wanted great coaches, but you gotta realize we cant force them to go here, so as long we have a crappy history no-one will go here.. I think DA is absolutely right guy in this transition-phase and I think Reggie is absolutely right guy to get us through this phase..
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because the moment we hired hue on as OC we saw the offense gain yards like we havent seen in almost a decade…..so many years sitting there watching horrendous bad offensive football and then we become one of the most explosive teams in the league….if you wanted stability reggie could have dealt with his insecurities and kept hue on and right now we would be going on year 4 with the same O and players in tact
reggie needed to fix the D….thats where the problem players, problem contracts and problem coaching was…..if reggie let hue hire his own DC he could have attracted someone with more experience than tarver……..we still would have had to cut the big salaries and replace them with talent that is not that good…but the O andD systems could have been installed last year…..
now look…when you talk about consistancy…even though DA is still here we are changing the O all over again…….and lets be realistic…..who believes this is going to work
REGGIE PERPETUATED THE INCONSISTANCY
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Cut McClain & Kelly, improve defense exponentially and get us under the cap all at the same time.
We need to pray Palmer chooses to retire to save the cap hit.
Definitely restructure DHB, McFadden, Tollefson, Brisiel, and a couple others to make even more room, and/or trade release.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Hue set this franchise back another four years with the palmer trade, he abused his authority; no way he should’ve been retained.
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If we didn’t do that trade, we probably don’t win another game that season and finish 4-11 with the #4 pick. Reggie probably tries to compete with the Redskins to move up to the two spot to draft RGIII. When that possibly fails, we draft Claiborne or Tanehill. We also will fail to land Flynn and Manning because of cap room (among other things). We go into this season with Campbell again, in competition with either Tanehill, RGIII or Kirk Cousins(our third round pick).
The rest is (fake) history.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:59 am
This is basically a ‘homer’ article on O’Neil because it’s from Vilanova — O’Neil’s alma mater, but, it does give a little bit of a background on him.
http://www.vuhoops.com/villanova-basketball/2012/12/14/3765704/villanova-needs-scott-oneil
January 20th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Kind of interesting with all this talk this week of the lack of minority hirings for coaching jobs, and when u look at what the Raiders did with a minority GM firing a minority HC and then hiring a rookie HC in DA.
I wonder Herm Edwards thinks about that.
I’m not trying to start a Hue debate….it’s a done deal, I just find it interesting.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am
RediaR
My biggest grip with Hubris when he was given the authority when Al Davis passes was letting Chuck B hang around as DC when it was clear to even Hubris Chuck B was the guy holding the team back.
Also, as one NFL pundit noted, if Hubris was truly the offensive genius, he could have made Boller into an adequate starter and didn’t need to make the trade for Palmer.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:03 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Kind of interesting with all this talk this week of the lack of minority hirings for coaching jobs, and when u look at what the Raiders did with a minority GM firing a minority HC and then hiring a rookie HC in DA.
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raider coaching staff looks like a golf foursome at an exclusive white only country club
January 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Fault lies with having Kyle Boller as your backup, but that is the nature of when your starting QB goes down.
Bears are 7-3 before Cutler goes down and then lose 5 of 6 to end the season with Caleb Hanie.
It’s just one of those things that happens and you’re screwed.
If Manning goes down in Denver they would’ve had Osweiller to take over.
Who’s Rivers backup in SD?
Would Balt. be playing today if Flacco had gone down?
January 20th, 2013 at 11:07 am
We need our Raiders to draft a player that will be an all-pro in two years, not just a pro-bowler.
I know we need a pass rusher more than anything, however the more highlights I see Warmack is the best player on the draft board; and I truly think he will make Vehldeer & Wisniewski a better LT/C respectively playing between them.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Do any of you guys think if Aaron Rodgers were here..or one of the true “elites” that we would’ve gone to the playoffs this past season?
January 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
And we don’t have palmers seventeen million dollar a year contract, we have our first and second this year, or RGIII.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:18 am
738- Yes!
Rogers our qb, we never draft Fabian or Jamarcus, we probably end up drafting Willis or Peterson instead.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
And we don’t have palmers seventeen million dollar a year contract, we have our first and second this year, or RGIII.
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so…raiders were in the thick of a playoff run with a very exciting offense and you would have preferred to tank the season in the hopes we draft RGIII and he pans out
i think hue did the right thing…top draft picks bust all the time…there are no guarantees there…….a #1 and #2 is a big price tag but that is not unrealistic for a top QB
January 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:07 am
We need our Raiders to draft a player that will be an all-pro in two years, not just a pro-bowler.
I know we need a pass rusher more than anything, however the more highlights I see Warmack is the best player on the draft board; and I truly think he will make Vehldeer & Wisniewski a better LT/C respectively playing between them.
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you dont draft a guard in the top 15…..you just dont….
we arent going to have any DT’s and star gives us the ability to flip back and forth between a 3-4 and a 4-3……take a look at the afc championship game today…..wilfork and ngata
January 20th, 2013 at 11:48 am
The Raiders cap situatio is not as bad as McKenzie andMckenzie apologists would lead you to believe. Assuming we say goodbye to Seymour, DHB takes a significant paycut or gets cut, Brisiel is waived, maybe TK is waived and another move or two (I say trade Branch) then RM will have plent of room to work with. If Palmer is traded and we can avoid that cap hit then we’ll have a ton of room. I don’t think we should do that, but if that happens then forget about the cap excuse.
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It actually is. DHB, McClain, Kelly need to be straight up released. That should get us initial cap relief. Problem is we have to fill 1/3 of the roster with very limited resources. We should resign Bryant, Shaunasty, Wheeler, Myers and maybe Adams to 3 year deals but otherwise its 1 year min contracts for the rest of the roster. Rookie contracts are cap friendly because of the slotted salaries and signing bonuses are spread out over the life of the deal (4 years).
Palmer deal has really F’d up the works. He’s making elite money. Really can’t cut/trade him in 2013 committed bonuses cap accelerated to $17 million! without someone ready to replace him. He’s cap is $13 million if he stays on the roster. His 2014 cap number is something insane like $19 million! Terrible deal signing him – we get so screwed on the draft picks, initial contract extension, and *then* he restructures last year to ensure cap punishment through 2014. His contract is voidable in 2015 but the Raiders are cap committed to him for the next 2 years.
January 20th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
49ers better wake up… lol
January 20th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Al Davis would be proud.
Long live Al.
Just Win Baby.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:39 am
THIS IS THE WRONG TYPE OF COACHING STAFF 4 THIS TYPE OF CITY AND THESE TYPE OF PLAYERS
UR IN oakland
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:08 am
good morning catfish,did anyone hear about wes welkers wife going off on ray ray after the loss sunday,on twitter? she had choice words about his married and family life,and about him covering up a murder and being a “role model”. classic sour grapes.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:30 am
1 Nation #1
mornin all!!
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So glad the ravens smacked boston in their proverbial kisser….a beautiful sight…bundchen wanting nothing to do with the football in the 4th quarter.The sideline being his first and only read and got fined to boot.
Can you imagine a SB played between frisco and boston?
Now at least we have a club to root for and it ain’t santa clara.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Baltimore….now there is a D.Dog bless em.Go the Ray Lewis’.