Reece headed to Hawaii
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, January 20th, 2013 at 8:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders fullback Marcel Reece is on his way to Hawaii as the team’s lone representative as a result of the Baltimore Ravens advancing to the Super Bowl on Sunday.
Reece was a first alternate, and he parlayed that into a spot on the AFC roster when Ravens fullback Vonta Leach qualified for the Super Bowl.
Leach was the AFC’s fullback when the voting from coaches, players and fans ended. Naturally, he has a rather more-pressing engagement two weeks from today.
Leach will be preparing for the Super Bowl in New Orleans the next two weeks, which means Reece is needed to fill the void in Hawaii.
This is Reece’s first Pro Bowl appearance. The Raiders didn’t have any players selected to this year’s team in the voting.
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January 20th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
1st
January 20th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Great, can we trade him?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Hee hee…Second time…Is there anybody out there?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Can we trade Olson for McCoy?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Flacco is now an elite QB in my book.
When all is said and done with his career, he might hold just about every postseason passing record.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
or Martz?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Flacco played great once they cut him loose…and Boldin is a beast.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Congrats Reece – you deserve it. Rep the Silver and Black! Score TD so we get some airtime! lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Flacco is now an elite QB in my book.
When all is said and done with his career, he might hold just about every postseason passing record.
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Flacco was nails today. I’d never given Him much thought.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
CanuckRaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Flacco played great once they cut him loose…and Boldin is a beast.
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Once they fired Cameron I presume.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Flacco is only elite if he wins on Feb. 3, which he should. Smart money is going to Ravens, spread already dropped 1/2 point in 1 hour. The Ravens are the Falcons, with a defense!
I want a happy Ray Lewis in 2 weeks.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I know Brady has lost to the Giants in 2 SBs, but the Ravens made him look pretty average tonight. You cannot say the same about the 49ers, who were given 2 “gift” turnovers by Matt “the loser” Ryan.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Cameron is a loser
January 20th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
D wins championships
Ravens running game stepped up and put Pattys on tilt after flaccos 3 tds
January 20th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Brady still very much elite. He missed GradKowski big time and they really need that big down field receiver. Don’t be surprised if they draft a top WR this year.
Ravens knocked them around punished them on the short game and that sweet knock-out on the RB was the difference maker. They got the ball back and scored – and NE was playing soft after that. Nobody wanted anymore of those kind of hits.
Brady is still the best – they’ll be back in the mix in again next January – they’re division is terrible. Jets/Dolphins/Bill aint doin dik.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
CanuckRaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Cameron is a loser
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As my 3 year old Grand Daughter would say… “TA DA” lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Listen banoonies…Brady’s arm is cooked…Ravens figured it out…Just play tight and hit them in the mouth.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
beach Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I know Brady has lost to the Giants in 2 SBs, but the Ravens made him look pretty average tonight. You cannot say the same about the 49ers, who were given 2 “gift” turnovers by Matt “the loser” Ryan.
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Bad azz defense. Granted, NE had no outside deep threat and they had to dink and dunk it most of the night. Dink and dunk go boom.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
So if Reggie opens up the wallet for one high dollar FA..
Who should it be?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Bad azz defense. Granted, NE had no outside deep threat and they had to dink and dunk it most of the night. Dink and dunk go boom.
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Llyod is supposed to be that guy.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
NFL Network is debating if Flacco is elite. Give me a break. He’s often very good, but elite? I don’t even think he’s the best QB in this Super Bowl.
To me there are four QBs in this league who are elite. Elite means the absolute best of the best. Saying four guys at the position are elite almost sounds too much, but I’ve gotta give it up to Peyton, Brady, Rodgers and Brees.
I don’t even have Eli or Big Ben in that elite class and you’re talking about two guys with a pair of rings and good tread left on the tires.
Honestly I don’t even have Flacco in the top 10. Certainly not if you’re talking about potential moving forward with guys like Luck, RG3 and Kap. Having said that, at times, Flacco is dam impressive. But elite means dominating week after week, year after year for a long period of time.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Anyone else in here smoke big fatties?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Flacco is getting the just dues accrued from Winning.
The proof is in duration.
Take it for what it is.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
CanuckRaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Anyone else in here smoke big fatties?
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I could hop in my time machine and go back 35 years or so. lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
So if Reggie opens up the wallet for one high dollar FA..
Who should it be?
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LaRon Laundry and put some beef in the secondary.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
NFL Network is debating if Flacco is elite. Give me a break. He’s often very good, but elite? I don’t even think he’s the best QB in this Super Bowl.
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Not elite till you win the big one – maybe even twice.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Flacco has come of age
and Brady is showing his
January 20th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
LaRon Laundry and put some beef in the secondary.
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Jets Guy?
How much will he cost and what does that mean for Branch or Huff?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Bad azz defense. Granted, NE had no outside deep threat and they had to dink and dunk it most of the night. Dink and dunk go boom.
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Llyod is supposed to be that guy.
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LLoyd is barely 6′0 tall – talking about 6′4 dudes and Gronks size.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
#24: That’s cool Len…You smoked once that’s good enough…Lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
In 6 of his last 7 playoff games (most on the road) he has posted a 100+ QB rating.
Four 115+ QBR games.
He has been the best QB in the playoffs the last 2 years, no debate.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Still pissin into the wind I see. LOL
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I mean, not to belabor it, but Flacco has had 0 4,000 yard seasons; only one 25 TD season; 0 30 TD seasons; only one season with a 90+ QB rating; 0 seasons with a 100 QB rating.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
LMAO!!!!!!!!
And just like that blog favorite tom brady goes down in a heap, with one of his worst games as a pro!!!!
Now lets see here….bardy, manning, rodgers, and brees ALL OF THE SO CALLED ELITE (BLOG APPOINTED) QBS ARE NO WHERE NEAR THE SUPERBOWL
WELCOME TO THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!
So much for the myth of the drop back pocket passer supremacy they have indeed dropped back and been passed.
If colin kaepernick wins the superbowl in the pistol with option football kiss your golden haired heros goodbye.
I hope Davis jr is watching!!! We can have the same thing with TP6!!!
palmer must go and so must the old out dated qb model. The old model is a a hot air balloon. the wave of the future is a warp engine time & space bending war ship propelling beyond your mind, and directly into the future of football!!!!
The tide has turned and I couldnt be happier
kirk out
January 20th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
#32
Flacco that is
January 20th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
CanuckRaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
#24: That’s cool Len…You smoked once that’s good enough…Lol
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I was enthusiastic for a few years…lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
LMFAO…That was good damnit.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
LaRon Laundry and put some beef in the secondary.
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Jets Guy?
How much will he cost and what does that mean for Branch or Huff?
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He got $4 mill 1 yr deal from Jets last year and was an absolute beast – he’s a punisher. They have big cap issues and he’s already said he won’t give them a discount so he’s prob gone. I’d give him Branch or Huff’s contract in a heartbeat.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
LLoyd is barely 6′0 tall – talking about 6′4 dudes and Gronks size.
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I thought you were referring to a field stretcher.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
#38: I was referring to Mistic’s post…That’s cool Len…I’m blasted on some killer lime green bud.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
#39: for sure
January 20th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
He got $4 mill 1 yr deal from Jets last year and was an absolute beast – he’s a punisher. They have big cap issues and he’s already said he won’t give them a discount so he’s prob gone. I’d give him Branch or Huff’s contract in a heartbeat.
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We’re on the same page. I would as well.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
LaRon Laundry and put some beef in the secondary.
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Jets Guy?
How much will he cost and what does that mean for Branch or Huff?
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Watch the Broncos sign him. They are 18.5 mill under the cap – even with Manning’s monster contract I have no idea how but they have the money we don’t.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
does cork or jerry ever break news that isnt reported elsewhere
January 20th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Watch the Broncos sign him. They are 18.5 mill under the cap – even with Manning’s monster contract I have no idea how but they have the money we don’t.
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Reggie isn’t real popular right now but He’s gonna get this to a point where we can add some FA’s that are difference makers.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
LMAO!!!!!!!!
And just like that blog favorite tom brady goes down in a heap, with one of his worst games as a pro!!!!
Now lets see here….bardy, manning, rodgers, and brees ALL OF THE SO CALLED ELITE (BLOG APPOINTED) QBS ARE NO WHERE NEAR THE SUPERBOWL
WELCOME TO THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!
So much for the myth of the drop back pocket passer supremacy they have indeed dropped back and been passed.
If colin kaepernick wins the superbowl in the pistol with option football kiss your golden haired heros goodbye.
I hope Davis jr is watching!!! We can have the same thing with TP6!!!
palmer must go and so must the old out dated qb model. The old model is a a hot air balloon. the wave of the future is a warp engine time & space bending war ship propelling beyond your mind, and directly into the future of football!!!!
The tide has turned and I couldnt be happier
kirk out
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TP6 has a noodle arm whereas Kaepernick has a gun you moron. Tired of you golden haired hero tantrums. Either you are very very dumb or just in plain denial. Probably both.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
palmer is not flacco
January 20th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Nycraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
does cork or jerry ever break news that isnt reported elsewhere
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NO….but…this blog is pretty good at keeping all informed.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Flacco is def a stud super solid but not elite yet I always thought he was better than people gave him credit for he should have been in the super bowl last year he gas outplayed Brady two years in a row but like someone said before Brady is still the best and the pats will be back next year O and mystic just a FYI Brady has more super bowl rings then the entire entire black qb race 3 to 1 suck on that biaaatch
January 20th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
nycraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
palmer is not flacco
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Flacco has a career QB rating of 86.3. Palmer has a career QB rating of 86.2.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Laugher!!!
Falcons = best team in football
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LOL, DUMBASS!!!
OLINE&QB LEAGUE!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
I think the 49ers blow this one open. I really do. I can see an old-school Super Bowl beatdown. Maybe 38-17.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
I’d like nothing better than TP becoming the Raiders QB for the next decade.
It solves the hardest problem.
Having said that, He has a lot of work to do before He can be considered in the “Wave of the Future” discussion.
Mistic shills. Ignore it.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Love Pryor the player but he doesn’t step into his throws – ever – don’t know why but its weird. He has arm strength but his lower half is frozen. No zip and inconsistent accuracy. Watch his highlights on youtube pro and college – its bizarre how he simply wont step into his throws even when there’s room to. He’s much better throwing on the run that standing in the pocket. That’s why he’s good as a red zone read-option QB.
He’s a decent #2 QB for next year – give him one more year to get his mechanics together otherwise its time to move on in 2014.
Please don’t draft a QB this year. Fix the lines on both sides and improve the D.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Raiders need to get back to the running game and production they have in 2010/2011 when they led the entire league in rushing yards. We’re fine at Palmer/Pryor at QB for now.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’d also love it if Pryor, Al’s last pick and seemingly a solid, motivated, team-oriented dude can be our “space age” QB. I love the added dimension mobile QBs bring.
But when you watch TP6 throw, there’s really no comparison between him and guys like RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, etc.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
LMAO!!!!!!!!
And just like that blog favorite tom brady goes down in a heap, with one of his worst games as a pro!!!!
Now lets see here….bardy, manning, rodgers, and brees ALL OF THE SO CALLED ELITE (BLOG APPOINTED) QBS ARE NO WHERE NEAR THE SUPERBOWL
WELCOME TO THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!!!!!
So much for the myth of the drop back pocket passer supremacy they have indeed dropped back and been passed.
If colin kaepernick wins the superbowl in the pistol with option football kiss your golden haired heros goodbye.
I hope Davis jr is watching!!! We can have the same thing with TP6!!!
palmer must go and so must the old out dated qb model. The old model is a a hot air balloon. the wave of the future is a warp engine time & space bending war ship propelling beyond your mind, and directly into the future of football!!!!
The tide has turned and I couldnt be happier
kirk out
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Post of the day.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Honestly, I can’t stand the Ravens. Mostly a classless bunch of phonies. From John Harbaugh on down. There’s some OK dudes there, but a lot of punks.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
I think the 49ers blow this one open. I really do. I can see an old-school Super Bowl beatdown. Maybe 38-17.
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No way Kappy struggles with the 3-4 and Bmore makes just enough plays to win 20-17 RAVENS!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
gregg knapp is wondering who that is…
January 20th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Brandon Kaufman, WR Eastern Washington 6′5, 215 projected 6-7th rounder
Playing in 42 games over four seasons, Kaufman hauled in 221 passes for 3,731 yards and 33 touchdowns.
As the featured target in Eastern’s spread offense, Kaufman was sure to be productive. But it’s his size, deceptive build-up speed, reliable hands and, frankly, his consistency, which has caught the attention of talent evaluators.
Kaufman’s breakout sophomore campaign came in 2010 when he caught 76 passes for 1,214 yards and 15 touchdowns and helped lead the Eagles to the national championship with nine catches for 120 yards and two touchdowns in the title game against Delaware.
He was sidelined after four starts in 2011 due to a hand injury and also underwent knee surgery, receiving a medical redshirt. He bounced back nicely in 2012, breaking the FCS single-season record with 1,850 receiving yards on 93 catches (19.9 yard average) and scoring 16 touchdowns.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’d also love it if Pryor, Al’s last pick and seemingly a solid, motivated, team-oriented dude can be our “space age” QB. I love the added dimension mobile QBs bring.
But when you watch TP6 throw, there’s really no comparison between him and guys like RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, etc.
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Agree, but Pryor Today…has the ability to extend a play and make things happen.
He has potential. He’ll never be Dan Marino, but He doesn’t have to be.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Love Pryor the player but he doesn’t step into his throws – ever – don’t know why but its weird. He has arm strength but his lower half is frozen. No zip and inconsistent accuracy.
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He’s working on it now as we speak.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’d also love it if Pryor, Al’s last pick and seemingly a solid, motivated, team-oriented dude can be our “space age” QB. I love the added dimension mobile QBs bring.
But when you watch TP6 throw, there’s really no comparison between him and guys like RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, etc.
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You are correct. He throws like my 6 year old daughter.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Post of the day.
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Why?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
You are correct. He throws like my 6 year old daughter.
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Can the Raiders sign Her to a future reserve contract? lol
January 20th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Pryor throw the ball well enough. He needs to get some real game reps into His system.
He has enough arm…no doubt.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
If colin kaepernick wins the superbowl in the pistol with option football kiss your golden haired heros goodbye.
The old model is a a hot air balloon. the wave of the future is a warp engine time & space bending war ship propelling beyond your mind, and directly into the future of football!!!!
The tide has turned and I couldnt be happier
kirk out
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Kirk? Wasn’t he that Golden Haired Hero that outranked the aliens,russians, blacks, japanese and scotchmen? Little Freudian slip there?
January 20th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’d also love it if Pryor, Al’s last pick and seemingly a solid, motivated, team-oriented dude can be our “space age” QB. I love the added dimension mobile QBs bring.
But when you watch TP6 throw, there’s really no comparison between him and guys like RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, etc.
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Agree, but Pryor Today…has the ability to extend a play and make things happen.
He has potential. He’ll never be Dan Marino, but He doesn’t have to be.
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Yeah, but the ability to make consistent, accurate, good passes is what separates a guy like RG3 from Joe Webb.
January 20th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
“do we call the pocket qaurter backs now throwbacks?”- Vin Scully during todays broadcast
“is it the wave of the future?” Al Micheals
HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
January 20th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Pretty pathetic when Brady has 3 super bowls and the athletic mobile black qb has only 1 in how many years of nfl existense pure pocket passer always wins the Lombardi this year is no different debo and mystic r desperate for a black qb to win but it won’t happen sorry but u guys make better wide receivers then qbs
January 20th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Yeah, but the ability to make consistent, accurate, good passes is what separates a guy like RG3 from Joe Webb.
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I believe Pryor is capable of doing that.
I’d like to find out sooner rather then later.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
You are correct. He throws like my 6 year old daughter.
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Can the Raiders sign Her to a future reserve contract? lol
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She has a #20 jersey, suit her up!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RaiderLen Says:
Post of the day.
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Why?
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Because nobody else loves Miss Tick, so he changes handles and practices self love.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Pretty pathetic when Brady has 3 super bowls and the athletic mobile black qb has only 1 in how many years of nfl existense pure pocket passer always wins the Lombardi this year is no different debo and mystic r desperate for a black qb to win but it won’t happen sorry but u guys make better wide receivers then qbs
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Since when was Doug Williams “athletic and mobile”??
January 20th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
“do we call the pocket qaurter backs now throwbacks?”- Vin Scully during todays broadcast
“is it the wave of the future?” Al Micheals
HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
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What?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Morilla Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
You are correct. He throws like my 6 year old daughter.
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Can the Raiders sign Her to a future reserve contract? lol
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She has a #20 jersey, suit her up!
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YES! lol
January 20th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
46 super bowls 45 won buy a white qb nuff said debo u mystic lose hater gonna hate
January 20th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I’m pretty sure it’s the mods, real M1st1c is not here anymore, mods wanted hits on a new post so came Mistics propaganda , n it worked , here I am
January 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Because nobody else loves Miss Tick, so he changes handles and practices self love.
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Debo was around before mistic, so Debo is mistic?
Doesn’t matter either way.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
What if Raiders were in Super Bowl , would you guys be partying it big time, snorting coke, green flyin in the air, 35,000 feet elevation
January 20th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Ian85= racist pos.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I’m pretty sure it’s the mods, real M1st1c is not here anymore, mods wanted hits on a new post so came Mistics propaganda , n it worked , here I am
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Hits? People stop participating at this place because of that guy. Not to mention that this is site is visited by a very large number of people and they have to witness that BS.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Racism again. Pathetic.
One thing that doesn’t make any sense-NO MATTER HOW LOUD PEOPLE ARE ABOUT IT-is that because a black QB does well is not proof that all of them will do well. Because Kaepernick is winning is not proof that Pryor will be just as good.
On this MLK weekend remember to judge players on the content of their abilities and not on the color of their skin. Don’t make assumptions either way. WATCH FILM.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
What if Raiders were in Super Bowl , would you guys be partying it big time, snorting coke, green flyin in the air, 35,000 feet elevation
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You mean would I be partying like it was 1984?
Ya!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Bernard Pollard:
Took out Brady’s knee for the season a few years back.
Tore Welker’s ACL a few years back (out for season).
Injured Gronkowski’s ankle last playoffs (wobbled Super Bowl).
Injured Ridley and caused game-clinching fumble.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
So much for being an O league , 2 top 10 D’s are in the playoffs , flaccid n kap are getting all the credit though , nobody talks about the big uglies in the trenches, hard hitters in the middle, play makers in secondary , always QB this ,QB that, like the mod tried to get people irritated with Mistics plan , but if the sf D hadn’t stopped Matt Ryan , Matt Ryan would have been the story all along
January 20th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Ian85= racist pos.
– it’s the mod
January 20th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Mistic is Not an idiot, he just has issues of hate to deal with, imo. That. said, I will pull for the AFC in the Super Bowl…..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
The Philadelphia Eagles made Chip Kelly one of the highest-paid coaches in the NFL, giving him a five-year contract worth $32.5 million, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
The lucrative deal, which is worth $6.5 million annually, was a crucial factor in Kelly’s decision to join the Eagles after originally deciding to remain at Oregon, according to the source.
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Ouch.. Eagles blew it, Philly will eat this guy the NFC East will pounce. His success is such a result of Oregon recruiting (Nike CEO brings top talent to their front door). Oregon will be top 10 next year – Eagles will be at the bottom of the division. They blew it – same with the Bears.
The good news is they might be in the market for Geno Smith! And they pick right behind us so teams will have to trade up to get him.
This could be a very good thang chicken wangs!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Kool kell must be already preparing for hia 40whiner super bowl party…pull out that flag from your garage…garage
January 20th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Morilla Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
I’m pretty sure it’s the mods, real M1st1c is not here anymore, mods wanted hits on a new post so came Mistics propaganda , n it worked , here I am
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Hits? People stop participating at this place because of that guy. Not to mention that this is site is visited by a very large number of people and they have to witness that BS.
– well whatever it is, even if its real Mistic his whole purpose is to irritate people n divert their attention from real football talk to jus silly stuff , QB this ,QB that, kap n flacco are jus nobodies without the Top Ds on those teams
January 20th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Ian85 if you were to be walking down a dim lit street late night and you saw me you would cross the street, punk.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Not racist eastoak just giving u facts 46 super bowls have been played and 45 have been won by white qbs FACT that’s all am I wrong
January 20th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The good news is they might be in the market for Geno Smith! And they pick right behind us so teams will have to trade up to get him.
This could be a very good thang chicken wangs!
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I’d love if we were able to trade down and get “our guy” as well as a couple of additional picks.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ummm
the 49ers and Ravens are also top-10 NFL in Offense.
You need both.
It’s never as easy and lazy as some of you want it to be.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
I do like how Ravens play, might b old farts but they had good game plan, keep everything in front, punish every body with the ball, Pats receivers were scared to go in middle n were dropping passes left n right late in the game
January 20th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Read today that colin Kaepernick said that he studied game film on Randall Cunningham aka weapon x.
He sasid randall was his absolute favorite. You can see the similarity in their respective games.
Cunningham was assked about Kappy and said that he loves his game. He also said that his own son now patterns his game afte Colin Kaepernick.
The wave of the future is feeding off the sacrafice of the previous generation, and the process has come full circle.
Now because of the greats like moon randall, harris, williams and so on we have now this group of young qbs enjoying what the old timers never did. They have offense built for their unique strength!!!
The legacy is in good hands as the crop of youngsters is poised to elevate the nfl and its history.
Who ever told the lie that there is a shortage of qbs is a moron.
Move over so called elites, guess whos coming to dinner.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
So much for being an O league , 2 top 10 D’s are in the playoffs , flaccid n kap are getting all the credit though , nobody talks about the big uglies in the trenches, hard hitters in the middle, play makers in secondary , always QB this ,QB that, like the mod tried to get people irritated with Mistics plan , but if the sf D hadn’t stopped Matt Ryan , Matt Ryan would have been the story all along
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49ers were 2nd in defensive PPG and 3rd in YPG. Ravens were 12th in PPG and 17th in YPG. Neither team gets out of the divisional round without putting up a ton of points on offense. Both put the ball in the end zone 4 times today.
Definitely helps to have a solid D, but with today’s rules and the sophistication of offensive football, it’s at least 80% about playing good offense.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Do you guys have any idea who is logging in as other users had someone impersonating me a few nights ago…
January 20th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ummm
the 49ers and Ravens are also top-10 NFL in Offense.
You need both.
It’s never as easy and lazy as some of you want it to be.
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You def need both, but to some guys they think only Qb’s make the difference ,
January 20th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
debo and mystic r desperate for a black qb to win but it won’t happen sorry but u guys make better wide receivers then qbs
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You sound racist to me Ian85.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
The Ravens D was 12th in the league in points allowed.
16th in yards allowed.
Patriots D was actually better this season.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
QBs do make the most difference if you’re going to look at most important position.
The top QBs consistently win playoff games and SBs.
Can’t say that about the top RBs, WRs, LBs, DTs, DEs, etc.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
49ers were 2nd in defensive PPG and 3rd in YPG. Ravens were 12th in PPG and 17th in YPG. Neither team gets out of the divisional round without putting up a ton of points on offense. Both put the ball in the end zone 4 times today.
Definitely helps to have a solid D, but with today’s rules and the sophistication of offensive football, it’s at least 80% about playing good offense.
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Well nobody would say Baltimores I is better than Patsies , it’s Baltimores D that made all the difference , held the highest scoring team to just 13 n no points after the half
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ummm
the 49ers and Ravens are also top-10 NFL in Offense.
You need both.
It’s never as easy and lazy as some of you want it to be.
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Ummm, they both have very good olines.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Read today that colin Kaepernick said that he studied game film on Randall Cunningham aka weapon x.
He sasid randall was his absolute favorite. You can see the similarity in their respective games.
Cunningham was assked about Kappy and said that he loves his game. He also said that his own son now patterns his game afte Colin Kaepernick.
The wave of the future is feeding off the sacrafice of the previous generation, and the process has come full circle.
Now because of the greats like moon randall, harris, williams and so on we have now this group of young qbs enjoying what the old timers never did. They have offense built for their unique strength!!!
The legacy is in good hands as the crop of youngsters is poised to elevate the nfl and its history.
Who ever told the lie that there is a shortage of qbs is a moron.
Move over so called elites, guess whos coming to dinner.
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LOL!
Sidney Poitier?
You are Crazy.
You talk as if everyone is afraid of having a Black or Mulatto man as their Teams QB.
Most Fans embrace Winners. End of Story.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Definitely helps to have a solid D, but with today’s rules and the sophistication of offensive football, it’s at least 80% about playing good offense.
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The Offense set the tempo.
Control the ball, win the game.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
The Ravens D was 12th in the league in points allowed.
16th in yards allowed.
Patriots D was actually better this season.
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Numbers can b misleading , Bsltimore has been known for D , patsies known for O , Baltimores D made the diff in game , held the 35 ppg team to just 13
January 20th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The good news is they might be in the market for Geno Smith! And they pick right behind us so teams will have to trade up to get him.
This could be a very good thang chicken wangs!
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I’d love if we were able to trade down and get “our guy” as well as a couple of additional picks.
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If the Eagles cut Vick before the draft they owe him a big roster bonus in March so we’ll know soon if they are committed (I doubt it) – they are likely in the market for a spread offense QB – ala Geno. They pick #4 – if any of the other QB needy teams wants Geno they they will be calling us to trade up. We might get ‘the big haul after all’. Would love for us to get 4 picks in the 1st 100 players. And we would still have 5-6 later picks and UFA’s to pick from. A draft like that can be the turning point especially on defense. Make it happen Reggie! Time to earn yo bacon.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ummm
the 49ers and Ravens are also top-10 NFL in Offense.
You need both.
It’s never as easy and lazy as some of you want it to be.
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You def need both, but to some guys they think only Qb’s make the difference ,
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You need both to win it all! But all eight playoff teams were in the top 11 in offense. That is NOT a coincidence.
We can get back to the playoffs by fixing our offense FIRST. Then start attacking the defense. At least that is what I would do for a franchise that hasn’t had a playoff game in a decade!
January 20th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Hendu Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Mistic is Not an idiot
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I’ll say! Can you name one thing the guy’s been wrong about during the last couple of years?? It’s time for dorks like Nurse Bob and McDumsht to STFU and listen.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Ummm
the 49ers and Ravens are also top-10 NFL in Offense.
You need both.
It’s never as easy and lazy as some of you want it to be.
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Ummm, they both have very good olines.
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That too, but yet according to some Palmer should only win with horrible specials teams , bad D , bad receivers , bad Oline, no excuses
January 20th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
The Ravens D was 12th in the league in points allowed.
16th in yards allowed.
Patriots D was actually better this season.
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Pats D may be statistically better but imo Ravens D has the playmakers and if it came down to a D needing a stop I would choose the Ravens D over the Pats, and it showed today.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Eastoak I’m not being serious I just like messin with mystic and company that’s all he’s by far the most racist person on this blog even u kno that I’m sure anybody can reconize that kap Wilson and rg3 r very good qbs relax man
January 20th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Numbers can b misleading , Bsltimore has been known for D , patsies known for O , Baltimores D made the diff in game , held the 35 ppg team to just 13
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I still think defense is mostly coaching. You could have counted the missed tackles from both games on one hand today.
The Ravens D was actually pretty bad early season.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
You need both to win it all! But all eight playoff teams were in the top 11 in offense. That is NOT a coincidence.
We can get back to the playoffs by fixing our offense FIRST. Then start attacking the defense. At least that is what I would do for a franchise that hasn’t had a playoff game in a decade!
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Good D is the best friend of an O, constantly putting ur team in good scoring positions, with turnovers, forcing early 3 n outs , n good O is D’s best friend, giving them rest ,etc,etc, it goes both ways
January 20th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
If the Eagles cut Vick before the draft they owe him a big roster bonus in March so we’ll know soon if they are committed (I doubt it) – they are likely in the market for a spread offense QB – ala Geno. They pick #4 – if any of the other QB needy teams wants Geno they they will be calling us to trade up. We might get ‘the big haul after all’. Would love for us to get 4 picks in the 1st 100 players. And we would still have 5-6 later picks and UFA’s to pick from. A draft like that can be the turning point especially on defense. Make it happen Reggie! Time to earn yo bacon.
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I also thought that when Mathews from A&M and Lewellen From Michigan decided to stay in school it helped us, as 2 highly regarded OT’s would not be available.
Hopefully Reggie can make something happen.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Raiderdebo I believe mystic was wrong about Joe Webb guy throws more bounce passes than a timberwolves point guard
January 20th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Being a team that needs ‘everything’ in the draft is an advantage. Reggie can more or less take the best player available at each pick. Every team says ‘we take best available’ but they can’t take players in positions they are already stacked – they can only take the ‘best player’ in a position of need.
We need ‘everything’ (except maybe QB and FB) so we truly can take ‘best available’. We just need to trade down and pick up 3-4 extra picks so we can go to the grocery store.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Gdog Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Numbers can b misleading , Bsltimore has been known for D , patsies known for O , Baltimores D made the diff in game , held the 35 ppg team to just 13
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I still think defense is mostly coaching. You could have counted the missed tackles from both games on one hand today.
The Ravens D was actually pretty bad early season.
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Well coaching , and players, you can’t coach bunch of Gios, Mitchell’s , shaugnessies into pro bowlers, everything goes in hand in hand, if Harbaugh came to Raiders instead if Whiners ,does he take us to the playoffs with Our D ,which is/was no where near the sf D’s ballpark ? I don’t think so
January 20th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Eastoak I’m not being serious I just like messin with mystic and company that’s all he’s by far the most racist person on this blog even u kno that I’m sure anybody can reconize that kap Wilson and rg3 r very good qbs relax man
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My bad I apologize, it just didnt sound right.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Because nobody else loves Miss Tick, so he changes handles and practices self love.
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The actual term is “sock puppet.” I’ve noticed this too.. anytime Mistic “The IQ Vacuum” shows up there suddenly are two or three other people agreeing on how great Pryor is. Sometimes when the topic hasn’t even been mentioned the entire day!
Coincidence? I dont think so.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
O line or D Line with our 1st pick?
I’m leaning Oline.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
we need to repair our D, if we get a chance at #1 receiver n pretty old RT then go for it , but #1 priority should be the D, if we were playing pata today , they would have doubled the season ave n put up 70 points on board against our D , Ravens simply just held them to the lowest point scored by any team in this playoffs
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Eastoak thanks for accepting my apology man sorry if my post rubbed u the wrong way
January 20th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Gdog Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Because nobody else loves Miss Tick, so he changes handles and practices self love.
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I didn’t say this.
Purvis did.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
The Eagles owe quarterback Mike Vick a base salary of $15.5 million in 2013. Vick privately has made it clear that he won’t be reducing his pay in order to stick around.
We’ll know more soon enough. Within a few days after the Super Bowl, $3 million of Vick’s 2013 salary becomes fully guaranteed. It’s possible, but unlikely, that they’d allow the guarantee to vest before making a final decision.
Regardless, the presence of a Chip Kelly who likes his quarterbacks to be mobile adds a new wrinkle to Vick’s future, or lack of one, in Philadelphia.
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If Vick gets released – expect the Geno Smith lotto to heat up..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
this is clearly the best SB possible of the teams in the postseason..
we gonna have us a bro’bowl..
January 20th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
We need to trade down and draft the powerful Warmack esp since we are going back to the pbs. With the trade down and the pick up of a 2nd rounder Im sure there will be a decent pass rusher available.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
we need to repair our D, if we get a chance at #1 receiver n pretty old RT then go for it , but #1 priority should be the D, if we were playing pata today , they would have doubled the season ave n put up 70 points on board against our D , Ravens simply just held them to the lowest point scored by any team in this playoffs
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So if it’s Defense who? Star, Moore, Mingo,?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Well coaching , and players, you can’t coach bunch of Gios, Mitchell’s , shaugnessies into pro bowlers, everything goes in hand in hand, if Harbaugh came to Raiders instead if Whiners ,does he take us to the playoffs with Our D ,which is/was no where near the sf D’s ballpark ? I don’t think so
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Our secondary is a grease fire, agreed… particularly Gio.. he wouldnt’ make many teams practice squad. But I doubt you would see all the missed tackles.
Or players giving up their gaps.
Etc etc.
DA got a flier from me because he seemed to be making progress by week 12 with the fundamentals. I don’t know how many times I said the last few games… where was THIS all year?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Eastoak thanks for accepting my apology man sorry if my post rubbed u the wrong way
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Its all jesus bro.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Won money today on Niners.
Riding em to win the Super Bowl. It pains me to say it….but ride the team you hate and win money in the process.
If they lose or don’t cover, then not winning the money won’t matter, cuz I will be happy that the team I hate lost.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
O line or D Line with our 1st pick?
I’m leaning Oline.
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If choosing, Oline. The draft is very deep in defense this season and we need 2-3 new oline starters this year.
If there’s an elite CB or DE can take that as well with 1st pick – that’s even a bigger need believe it or not.
We are desperate at Corner.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
need 2 studs rushing from edge, Houston Should be moved inside, it would instantly improve interior pass rush, need a beast MLb, a hard hitter in secondary and a play marker
January 20th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
We need to trade down and draft the powerful Warmack esp since we are going back to the pbs. With the trade down and the pick up of a 2nd rounder Im sure there will be a decent pass rusher available.
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I’m down with this.
If they are really serious about gettin DMAC loose, this guy will go a long way in helping that along.
Plus the QB should have a better pocket to stand in as it won’t be collapsed by the uglies on the other side.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
it’s funny that some of you guys take your “thoughts” over the stats.
If the Ravens had more playmakers than the Patriots this year…
they would have made more plays. More INTs, more sacks, more turnovers, fewer points allowed.
But that didn’t HAPPEN despite what our biased thoughts are based on the Ravens past.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
We need to trade down and draft the powerful Warmack
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I’m cool with just drafting him third instead of gambling that someone else picks him up.
The offense gets INSTANTLY better with him.
Perhaps playoffs. I’m not kidding… it just puts so much depth and competition to the right side we don’t even have to mess with it. Our left side would be FEARED.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Mcfadden2.0
what have you been doing the last 8 years? Houston at DT? So we can have ANOTHER pass-rushing DT that gets blown up on runs? Like Kelly and Seymour?
no thank you.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
The hybrid offense is in the superbowl.
The key ingredient a wave of the future qb.
We have the technology, we can rebuild it.
Tp6 in the hybird bionic offense built for the future.
Things will never be the same
January 20th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
If we cant trade down I would still draft Warmack I feel his value is that high to us in particular. Pass rushers seems to be aplenty in this draft and we could still nab one in the 3rd even though I was hoping for a RT in the 3rd.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
we need to repair our D, if we get a chance at #1 receiver n pretty old RT then go for it , but #1 priority should be the D, if we were playing pata today , they would have doubled the season ave n put up 70 points on board against our D , Ravens simply just held them to the lowest point scored by any team in this playoffs
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So if it’s Defense who? Star, Moore, Mingo,?
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Moore , can succeed in multiple scheme our coaches want to put in, I know many people don’t think he got burst n stuff, but the guy wa playing with foot injury after LSU game, that make a difference , no?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Mcfadden2.0
what have you been doing the last 8 years? Houston at DT? So we can have ANOTHER pass-rushing DT that gets blown up on runs? Like Kelly and Seymour?
no thank you.
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Houston can put some weight , n goes all out , Kelly n Seymour has shown they can b force in run game but only when they want to , hard to teach old crows new tricks , Houston is fierce competitor , other 2 guys are just cash checkers
January 20th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
it’s funny that some of you guys take your “thoughts” over the stats.
If the Ravens had more playmakers than the Patriots this year…
they would have made more plays. More INTs, more sacks, more turnovers, fewer points allowed.
But that didn’t HAPPEN despite what our biased thoughts are based on the Ravens past.
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What happened in crunch time alex3.5, what D stepped to the forefront and held down a top flight O? WHAT HAPPEN TO YOUR PRECIOUS STATS? LOL.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Plus we never really had a beast MLB, R McClain melted down faster than ice cream in 120 F temperature
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
umm, EastOak?
One team always “steps up” on O, while the “D” holds the lead.
Kinda happens every game,
always.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Moore , can succeed in multiple scheme our coaches want to put in, I know many people don’t think he got burst n stuff, but the guy wa playing with foot injury after LSU game, that make a difference , no?
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My early list had Star, Moore, and Joekcle…and now Warmack.
I’d be happy with any of these Guys.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Mingo is more of a fast-twitch DE than Moore. He also plays better in space giving a DC more options.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
One positive from today is the Ravens winning, so I can root for a team that I don’t hate. I realize that I don’t even sit and watch much of the game when the Patriots are playing! Is anybody else feeling a little nauseated about turning on the radio or TV the next 2 weeks in the Bay Area?
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Mcfadden2.0
what have you been doing the last 8 years? Houston at DT? So we can have ANOTHER pass-rushing DT that gets blown up on runs? Like Kelly and Seymour?
no thank you.
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Umm.. speaking of stats… our defensive run blocking was actually top ten.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/dl2012
January 20th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOd9cMeBB2A
Mingo showing his pass-rush, spin move, speed rush, and drop-coverage ability.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
I guess I can hide myself in Inauguration coverage tomorrow. After that, Warriors basketball. Hopefully, the A’s can make Oakland a proud sports city in 2013.
January 20th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Mingo is more of a fast-twitch DE than Moore. He also plays better in space giving a DC more options.
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Do you like Him better than Moore?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
umm, EastOak?
One team always “steps up” on O, while the “D” holds the lead.
Kinda happens every game,
always.
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LOL, its sad that thats your only come back but it figures. The whatever ranked Ravens D just held the Pats to 13 points and shut them out the second half and all you can say is “kinda happens” WATCH THE GAME AND STOP WITH THE FANTASY FOOTBALL CRAP.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
D made the plays , Pats O couldn’t do sh1t, Ravens D got in Pats receivers heads, pats backed down , even Brady didn’t try to mein for a first down on that 1 4th down try
January 20th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Run = mein
January 20th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
As I have been saying this draft is deep with DE/OLB pass rushing types.
I think trading down and getting Warmack with that 1st pick would be a solid move.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Gdog
that was O run-blocking, not D. footballoutsiders.com is a wealth of modern NFL statistical information. Excellent info on what IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING, not what fans feel or think they see.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
135. So, I should take the 49ers on money line, and then I am happy to lose the money one way, or collect money and still be miserable? Not sure if I like that idea.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Moore , can succeed in multiple scheme our coaches want to put in, I know many people don’t think he got burst n stuff, but the guy wa playing with foot injury after LSU game, that make a difference , no?
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My early list had Star, Moore, and Joekcle…and now Warmack.
I’d be happy with any of these Guys.
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I b happy with any 4 of those, but after all the humiliating we witnessed, 55 points allowed , not even getting near Qb’s on 3rd n long plays, I want us to draft a pass rusher, don’t want to see that sh1t again
January 20th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
eastoak
explain, exactly, the difference between the Ravens D stepping up in the 2nd half,
and the Ravens O stepping up in the 2nd half.
Why is one more important than the other, when the Ravens needed both to win?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
you guys who want to draft a guard at #3 are out of your mind
January 20th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Beach Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
One positive from today is the Ravens winning, so I can root for a team that I don’t hate. I realize that I don’t even sit and watch much of the game when the Patriots are playing! Is anybody else feeling a little nauseated about turning on the radio or TV the next 2 weeks in the Bay Area?
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Sheesh the Giants win the WS and now this, Please let the Ravens be the team of destiny.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
you guys who want to draft a guard at #3 are out of your mind
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Who’s your pick at #3?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Balt O line is a beast, they made Von Miller n dumberville 2 double digit sack artists look average, pata couldn’t get to flacco, n you guys wonder how they put up 55 on us? Because we couldn’t even get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs, idk about you guys, but the most sensible n logic am thing to do is, improve the pass rush, when you can’t get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs than you need all the pass rush help u can get either through Fa ,or draft or both
January 20th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
The Titans, Browns, Cardinals, Chargers, Dolphins, Rams, and Panthers…
all had more sacks than the 49ers and Ravens.
Sacks are fine, of course, but you win games with QB/WR play. Today we saw Boldin take over the game, Vernon Davis make huge plays, and Julio Jones win a half of football all by himself.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
8 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter niners down by 17.
Colin kaepernick in the shotgn flanked by james.
Colin gets the snap feeds the read into james belly , as they ride the defensive line and line backers all focus on kappy and freeze. Suddenly kappy lets james take the ball and races through the seam as the falcons quickly try and catch up with play, seemingly a split second behind. James streaks into the endzone nearly untouched.
This has been “figured out” and ‘Schemed”. There is no mystery as to why or how it works. Everybody knows exactly how it works but they are powerless to stop it.
We can have this. pryor and dmac will run for 1000 yards apiece. This will force the defense up and pryor will find dhb streater and moore down field and in the end zone just as he did in week 17, even with out his own space age offense.
pryor and kappy can threat the defense in ways poor palmer and smittty just cant.
I love what im seeing.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Mingo #3 overall??
Jones, Moore, Werner, Mingo are all rated near the same IMO, but Mingo does seem to have more explosiveness.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Sign Carter…That will help our pass rush and He should come relatively cheap.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
eastoak
explain, exactly, the difference between the Ravens D stepping up in the 2nd half,
and the Ravens O stepping up in the 2nd half.
Why is one more important than the other, when the Ravens needed both to win
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Pats D is okay, Baltimore D is better, so the better D held the highest scoring team in the league to 13 points , average D allowed 28 points
January 20th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Balt O line is a beast, they made Von Miller n dumberville 2 double digit sack artists look average, pata couldn’t get to flacco, n you guys wonder how they put up 55 on us? Because we couldn’t even get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs, idk about you guys, but the most sensible n logic am thing to do is, improve the pass rush, when you can’t get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs than you need all the pass rush help u can get either through Fa ,or draft or both
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BMore and Niners OLine players are beasts!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
I’d like a pass-rusher than can also play in space. A good D has to have diversity.
I’ll take Mingo and Jarvis Jones over Moore. I’ll take Star over both of them though to solidify the run D.
I’ll take Geno Smith over everyone above IF the scouts think he’s a legit NFL starter.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Bet on the Niners in SB and hope they lose!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Mingo #3 overall??
Jones, Moore, Werner, Mingo are all rated near the same IMO, but Mingo does seem to have more explosiveness.
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Moore is just as explosive , you didn’t see that much because of foot injury he had, n also much better against the run, motor like Houston ,
January 20th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
so, lol McFadden
whatever team wins has the better D?
All year long the Ravens D was average. Gave up lots of points, didn’t make plays, missing Reed and Suggs,
was not that good this year. They outplayed the Patriots today. Gave up uber points and yards to the Broncos.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
McK should still trade down 5-6 spots and get another two picks and then he can have his choice or pass rushers or a beast OLinemen like Warmack.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
If colin kaepernick wins the superbowl in the pistol with option football kiss your golden haired heros goodbye.
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If I said “Kiss your afro headed heros goodbye” would that be considered racist?
Or “nappy headed” hero’s?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Raiders have so many holes, it honestly doesn’t matter who we draft, we’re still a 7 win team next year at best.
Warmack, Jarvis Jones, Mingo, Star, Geno, Werner…
so long as they play well, doesn’t much matter what position we fill with one pick.
THAT SAID, Werner is the most “Reggie-like” player of the group. Motor, work-ethic, productivity, leadership.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
I’d like a pass-rusher than can also play in space. A good D has to have diversity.
I’ll take Mingo and Jarvis Jones over Moore. I’ll take Star over both of them though to solidify the run D.
I’ll take Geno Smith over everyone above IF the scouts think he’s a legit NFL starter.
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Jarvis jones is nice to have if your always playing with lead, but he was exposed against the run by Bama, that’s how I feel about mingo n Werner, that’s why I say go Moore , led his team in tackles , complete player , may not look fast of the snap , but he summon managed to b top 3 in sacks in sec, n played with foot injury do idk how much that might have contributed to his play this year , but well see when the combine n workouts come, well see 40 times, come drills , etc etc
January 20th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Even if Kap was drafted by Raiders, Hue would have known how to use him, but idiots McK, DA and Knapp would have ruined his development anyway.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
is porch monkey racist?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWdVwt2deY4
January 20th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Skinny legs Kap better watch if he runs in Super Bowl too much….cause BMore D will look to crack those legs of his.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
eastoak
explain, exactly, the difference between the Ravens D stepping up in the 2nd half,
and the Ravens O stepping up in the 2nd half.
Why is one more important than the other, when the Ravens needed both to win?
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Holding the top rank O to 13 points is the feat of the day.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
who WASN’T exposed against the run vs Bama?
Most NFL teams don’t have a Bama-ish O-line with the top 10% of players all on the same line.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
so, lol McFadden
whatever team wins has the better D?
All year long the Ravens D was average. Gave up lots of points, didn’t make plays, missing Reed and Suggs,
was not that good this year. They outplayed the Patriots today. Gave up uber points and yards to the Broncos.
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Ravens D looked average cuz they missed Suggs, Lewis,Reed ,with all their puzzle pieces back, they put fear into guys,they also had awesome game plan, forced pats to throw outside n had ends playing the passin lanes , kept plays in front, knocked the sh1t out of anyone that had football
January 20th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
I was screaming for old man Al to hire Harbaugh 3 years ago, but no….old man was too cheap to hire him.
Plus the old man being the GM probably turned Harbaugh off. Cable/Hue kept us competitive, but then that was ruined as well.
Mistakes by the Raiders all over the place.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
who WASN’T exposed against the run vs Bama?
Most NFL teams don’t have a Bama-ish O-line with the top 10% of players all on the same line.
– Georgia has a solid D , they played with lead most of the times , so they let Jones loose all the times , but came the time when other team was playing with lead n were running down their throats , Jones was exposed, believe me the guy is good to have with lead but you don’t want him on the field against tough physical Os who are going to run right at you , I wanted Jones first but after watching more games , n jones against Bama, it changed my point of view about him, now if the only thing other teams did was pass the ball, he would be #1 on my draft board
January 20th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
To say Brady is finished is very premature. Same with Manning.
Manning will be 37 next season and Brady 36 and both are still dangerous and at the top of their game.
Manning may go till he’s 40 and Brady the same. They don’t get hit much and statistically they are at the top of the league…and they win games.
Rodgers? He’s MVP caliber and will be for years.
Interesting what Rodgers said about the zone read option stuff…”This too shall pass”.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
I was screaming for old man Al to hire Harbaugh 3 years ago, but no….old man was too cheap to hire him.
Plus the old man being the GM probably turned Harbaugh off. Cable/Hue kept us competitive, but then that was ruined as well.
Mistakes by the Raiders all over the place.
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Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I see alot of y’all talking about Moore,star Mongolia etc…but I think we should draft Dion Jordan. He’s going to be a beast!! Watch and see!! Remember that name!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
McFadden
EVERY top-10 D player played with the lead most of the time.
Unless we’re drafting a D-player from North Dakota State…
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Mingo *** damn auto correct lol
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Jordan is another guy rated pretty much the same as Werner, Mingo, Moore, Jones.
Trade down get Jordan or Warmack.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
To say Brady is finished is very premature. Same with Manning.
Manning will be 37 next season and Brady 36 and both are still dangerous and at the top of their game.
Manning may go till he’s 40 and Brady the same. They don’t get hit much and statistically they are at the top of the league…and they win games.
Rodgers? He’s MVP caliber and will be for years.
Interesting what Rodgers said about the zone read option stuff…”This too shall pass”.
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Ravens played perfect D for both, keep plays in front, crush the ball carriers , n they woul think twice about going in middle an catch all the short stuff manning and Brady like to do
January 20th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
I was screaming for old man Al to hire Harbaugh 3 years ago, but no….old man was too cheap to hire him.
Plus the old man being the GM probably turned Harbaugh off. Cable/Hue kept us competitive, but then that was ruined as well.
Mistakes by the Raiders all over the place.
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Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
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Good coaches do wonders ti improve a team.
Harbaugh would not have worked with a lousy DC like Chuck B.
Hue had to deal with a crappy DC in his 1st year.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
McFadden
EVERY top-10 D player played with the lead most of the time.
Unless we’re drafting a D-player from North Dakota State…
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Who’s better against the run between
Moore, mingo, Jones ,Werner?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
McFadden
EVERY top-10 D player played with the lead most of the time.
Unless we’re drafting a D-player from North Dakota State…
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Who’s better against the run between
Moore, mingo, Jones ,Werner?
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Probably Werner.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
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Good coaches do wonders ti improve a team.
Harbaugh would not have worked with a lousy DC like Chuck B.
Hue had to deal with a crappy DC in his 1st year.
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Just changing DC wouldn’t have been enough, it would have taken 2 full years of FA and Draft on D side to make them better
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Harbaugh took over a D that was ranked 16th.
In 2008, they were 23rd.
2007 = 20th
2006 = 32nd!
Reality vs Perception.
49er D wasn’t that good the 5 years before Harbaugh arrived.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
McFadden
EVERY top-10 D player played with the lead most of the time.
Unless we’re drafting a D-player from North Dakota State…
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Who’s better against the run between
Moore, mingo, Jones ,Werner?
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Probably Werner.
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Really?? I only saw him against passing, n many times saw him give up on run pursuit, he might have the best play recognition skills though
January 20th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Flacco is a free agent next season. It’ll be interesting to see how they handle him.
His agent has been saying all yr how Flacco is “elite” etc. and one of the top QB’s in the league. Flacco feels the same way.
He’s gonna want to be PAID like it.
Do the Ravens give him whatever he wants?
January 20th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Because nobody else loves Miss Tick, so he changes handles and practices self love.
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RaiderLen Says:
I didn’t say this.
Purvis did.
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And proud of it.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Werner and Moore are stout on runs right at them.
Mingo ran down AN OREGON DUCK RB on a sweep AWAY from him. That’s crazy.
Jones can run down run-plays away from him as well.
Just depends on how you view it.
Werner is most “McKenzie-ish” player.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
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Good coaches do wonders ti improve a team.
Harbaugh would not have worked with a lousy DC like Chuck B.
Hue had to deal with a crappy DC in his 1st year.
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Just changing DC wouldn’t have been enough, it would have taken 2 full years of FA and Draft on D side to make them better
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Good coaching, game planning, schemes that fits the personnel can do wonders for an average talent team.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Harbaugh took over a D that was ranked 16th.
In 2008, they were 23rd.
2007 = 20th
2006 = 32nd!
Reality vs Perception.
49er D wasn’t that good the 5 years before Harbaugh arrived.
— it wasn’t as bad as ours was, the D was good , most of the problems had to do with playing bad D, just check out broncos with Tebow, DA had the d playing better, but O was jus as bad, but it gave Tebow many chances at GW drives
January 20th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Werner hold the edge and pursues from his edge spot well.
He is strong also and plays with good leverage. Just needs more pass rush moves.
He maybe able to stand up also and OLB in 3-4 looks.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Harbaugh took over a D that was ranked 16th.
In 2008, they were 23rd.
2007 = 20th
2006 = 32nd!
Reality vs Perception. Stats vs selective memory
49er D wasn’t that good the 5 years before Harbaugh arrived.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Harbaugh took over a D that was ranked 16th.
In 2008, they were 23rd.
2007 = 20th
2006 = 32nd!
Reality vs Perception.
49er D wasn’t that good the 5 years before Harbaugh arrived.
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The 9ers D was good your football iq is so low you cant see why they were ranked low, it wasnt because of the D it was because the O was so fcking bad the D was on the field 75% of the game, what D isnt gonna wear out and become weak. Now that the O has come around what do you see? Stop playing fantasy football and WATCH THE GAME stat geek.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
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Good coaches do wonders ti improve a team.
Harbaugh would not have worked with a lousy DC like Chuck B.
Hue had to deal with a crappy DC in his 1st year.
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Just changing DC wouldn’t have been enough, it would have taken 2 full years of FA and Draft on D side to make them better
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Good coaching, game planning, schemes that fits the personnel can do wonders for an average talent team.
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You can def make it better with coaching, but you ain’t going to give yourself good chance in winning a NASCAR race by going into the race with Toyota Carolla
January 20th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
DEs rarely impact a franchise the way a guy like Doug Martin, Russell Wilson, Julio Jones, or Marshawn Lynch (in seattle) can impact a franchise.
Draft skill players or trade down for Jarvis Jones or Mingo (closest to Von Miller instant impact).
January 20th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Werner hold the edge and pursues from his edge spot well.
He is strong also and plays with good leverage. Just needs more pass rush moves.
He maybe able to stand up also and OLB in 3-4 looks.
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I am a FSU fan and werner looked avg to me, I see a guy who will be a decent player but wont be much of a difference maker, hell he wasnt much of a difference maker at FSU.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Harbaugh took over a D that was ranked 16th.
In 2008, they were 23rd.
2007 = 20th
2006 = 32nd!
Reality vs Perception.
49er D wasn’t that good the 5 years before Harbaugh arrived.
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The 9ers D was good your football iq is so low you cant see why they were ranked low, it wasnt because of the D it was because the O was so fcking bad the D was on the field 75% of the game, what D isnt gonna wear out and become weak. Now that the O has come around what do you see? Stop playing fantasy football and WATCH THE GAME stat geek.
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Exactly , you said it before me, plus all the turnovers by the O to put them in bad position, n again when your O is going 3 n outs, players tend to say eff it who cares, now they have better O n can put some points , they don’t give up
January 20th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Idk we would have seen the same results, whiners D was good to great when he went there , if he came to the Raiders with our horrible D , expect the same results as we had with Hue , much better O , but the other team would have scored at will
^^^^^^^^^
Good coaches do wonders ti improve a team.
Harbaugh would not have worked with a lousy DC like Chuck B.
Hue had to deal with a crappy DC in his 1st year.
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Just changing DC wouldn’t have been enough, it would have taken 2 full years of FA and Draft on D side to make them better
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Raiders have enough talent on offense to win more games than they did this year.
Hue proved that the last two years.
The defense was the problem the last two years with this team….up until last year however when Knapp was hired as OC.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Werner hold the edge and pursues from his edge spot well.
He is strong also and plays with good leverage. Just needs more pass rush moves.
He maybe able to stand up also and OLB in 3-4 looks.
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I am a FSU fan and werner looked avg to me, I see a guy who will be a decent player but wont be much of a difference maker, hell he wasnt much of a difference maker at FSU.
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Like I said…he lacks pass rush moves.
Werner, Moore, Mingo, Jordan, Jones are all rated about the same with me. None should be taken #3 overall.
McK needs to find a trade partner and move down 5-7 spots and net two extra picks and get one of those DE/OLB’s that falls or Warmack.
Jordan, Moore, Mingo seem like they have the most upside though out of all of them.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
DEs rarely impact a franchise the way a guy like Doug Martin, Russell Wilson, Julio Jones, or Marshawn Lynch (in seattle) can impact a franchise.
Draft skill players or trade down for Jarvis Jones or Mingo (closest to Von Miller instant impact).
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DEs make huge difference, they make sure the lead stays intact, when the other team is trying to come back from behind n applying pressure in many ways, did you not see our games against good -great passers , we allowed 40 + points , what was the common theme? We couldn’t get to Qb’s without sending extra rushers, why did NE lost to NYG twice? Can’t say Eli is better than Brady can you? One had easy time pocket , the other was harassed into mistakes by a ferocious pass rush
January 20th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Good to great D with average-above average O can lead you to playoffs, good-great with Average/above average D can lead you to playoffs, you can do it either way , but in the end it would most likely be a team tha had the better D out of both teams hoistin the Lombardi , 00 Ravens, 01 Pats >> Stl 02 bucks > Raiders , than pats over Car , pats over Philly ,we can go on n on only exception were the Indiana colts over bears , in last 10-15 years
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
You can have all the defensive ends and linebackers you want, if you dont have a qb you are toast.
As of this moment the raiders dont have a staring qb that will eber do squat. palmer isnt in the class of any of the qbs in this historic playoff.
Tp6 may be the answer. Even with premier pass rushers and stud d line men they are made to look foolish by the wave of the future in the hybrid offense. Those pass rushers and linbackers and being embarrassed week after week looking like a deer in headlights trying to find the ball.
Tha falcons were taken apart by newton russel and kappy. The patsies couldnt handle wilson and kappy. Kappy and wilson also beat rodgers this year. Brees was owned by newton.
The writing is on the wall, and the nfl is under an all out assault. Geno and tp6 on deck, followed by bridgewater and b miller and so on.
With all of the never seen before hybrid offenses that tore up te nfl and are crushing the record books, we have nothing left to look forward to but pryor.
Palmer is beyond finished he couldnt sniff the playoffs if he was part blood hound.
Give us the pistol , the shotgun the hybrid option.
Greg olsen you are on the clock
January 20th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
D’s that make the most stops and create turnovers will win the most games with an average O.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
An above average QB is important with a good OLine, that doesn’t get him killed.
January 20th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
mcfadden
You don’t need a good O to be a good D.
Ravens, 2000-2005
Dolphins last few years.
Browns last few years.
Don’t make excuses. 49ers D was not very good before Harbaugh arrived. They gave up lots of points…because they weren’t very good.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Ron Jawaorski has compared Geno Smith to Randall Cunnigham.. not for his running but for his throwing ability.
THe kid is accurate. 42tds 6 ints is nothing to frown about.
Senior bowl practice tommorow at 1pm NFL network. Dennis has a pretty good roster.. some notable names on his team including
Kenjon barner Oregon
Margus Hunt DE SMU
Tj McDonalds Saftey USC
Ryan Nassib Qb – Syracuse
January 20th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Geno Smith is more like Aaron Rodgers he doesnt run.. but make no mistake.. he can run for the first down or escape pressure.
he is quick with his feet in those Read Option pass plays.. or pistol formation pass plays.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
freaking Whiners becomes 3rd NFC west team to go to the SB in last 5-6 years , hopefully the end result is the same that was enjoyed by Seattle and Arizona
January 20th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
McFadden20. Guessing you’re under 24 years of age? crying about the 49ers making the super bowl? Just a game Focker.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
mcfadden
You don’t need a good O to be a good D.
Ravens, 2000-2005
Dolphins last few years.
Browns last few years.
Don’t make excuses. 49ers D was not very good before Harbaugh arrived. They gave up lots of points…because they weren’t very good.
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You forget the turnover aspect , how many of those points were due to pick 6 or int or a fumble , which put the other team in good scoring position, yeah Ravens been good n stuff but last time I checked they protected The ball n played field position game, Sf D under Nolan, singletary both D minded guys didn’t knew wtf to do with the O side , constant turnover at OC position , didn’t know how to use any I the playrs , in comes a really good o guy , the D makes a lot of improvements
January 20th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Balt O line is a beast, they made Von Miller n dumberville 2 double digit sack artists look average, pata couldn’t get to flacco, n you guys wonder how they put up 55 on us? Because we couldn’t even get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs, idk about you guys, but the most sensible n logic am thing to do is, improve the pass rush, when you can’t get to Qb’s on 3rd n longs than you need all the pass rush help u can get either through Fa ,or draft or both
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BMore and Niners OLine players are beasts!
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And both teams have very good defenses. So you have the two teams with the best combined OLs and defenses going to the Super Bowl. Surprised?
Forget talk about QB and system. Take away either teams’ OL or defense and replace them with an average unit and they are watching the Super Bowl on TV, same as we are.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
So tell me…what would your gut reaction be if we drafted Geno? Perhaps we should take a poll.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
McFadden20. Guessing you’re under 24 years of age? crying about the 49ers making the super bowl? Just a game Focker.
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Yeah it’s just a game , but rather see Ravens win it than whiners , if whiners win no big deal life goes on , but would hate to see phony ass whiner fans every where , when Giants won , I was happy , but didn’t like how they looked at the As afterward
January 20th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
If there was a Qb I would take in this draft it would be Mike glennon from n.c.state
January 20th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
And both teams have very good defenses. So you have the two teams with the best combined OLs and defenses going to the Super Bowl. Surprised?
Forget talk about QB and system. Take away either teams’ OL or defense and replace them with an average unit and they are watching the Super Bowl on TV, same as we are.
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True , or put flacco and or Kapp , our record is likely to be same, but keep Palmer, take either whiners D or ravens D , we’re a 9-10 win team atleast
January 20th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Some scouts have this QB I never heard of #1 in QB draft boards, might be mike Glennon , sounds like that kinda name
January 20th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Take Landry Jones in 3-4th rds n call it a day , groom him behind Palmer for a year , improve the D , get a #1 receiver , n then just sit back n watch wins after wins
January 20th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Glad Hockey season is under way , something to do on boring weekdays lol
January 20th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Tha falcons were taken apart by newton russel and kappy. The patsies couldnt handle wilson and kappy. Kappy and wilson also beat rodgers this year. Brees was owned by newton.
The writing is on the wall, and the nfl is under an all out assault. Geno and tp6 on deck, followed by bridgewater and b miller and so on.
With all of the never seen before hybrid offenses that tore up te nfl and are crushing the record books, we have nothing left to look forward to but pryor.
Palmer is beyond finished he couldnt sniff the playoffs if he was part blood hound.
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Myopia much? Wilson and Seattle put up 28 against them, with the help of some key turnovers. Kap and the Whiners put up 28 against them with the help of some key turnovers. Newton also managed 28 against them.
But who put up most on them this year? That total non-read-option running offense of the Saints with Brees.
Yes, I do hope that OC Olsen is taking note.
Palmer and the Raiders put up
January 20th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uygMU8GbWPE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
January 20th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
why would Landry Jones be a 3rd or 4th round pick if all you had to do was wait a year for him to deliver win after win?
Mcfadden20, I’m now guessing you’re under 21 years of age.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Glennon? really? that guy is like a poor mans carson palmer.. pass on Landry jones as well
January 20th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
I’d be excited if we took Geno Smith.
QB is the quickest route to turn your franchise around.
We need a QB for 2014 and beyond, once the rest of the team is decent. Palmer, age 35 then, won’t be that guy.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Mike glennon from NC state!! Watch he the Qb raiders need!!!
January 20th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Underated Linebacker from Kansas State ARthur Brown also on Dennis Allens squad
January 20th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
January 20th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Yep lets be real Carson is not leading this team anywhere.. The guy seems like he can be a good Qb coach/ mentor /OC one day.. maybe OLSON should “groom” him
January 20th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Glad Hockey season is under way , something to do on boring weekdays lol
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And the Sharks start off hot with plenty of offense in a 4-1 slamming of Calgary in their home!
Sharks should be able to get off to a quick start this year with so much offense in their top 2 lines. With the lockout and super short “training camp” we’re going to see the team defenses be softer than normal to start the year. The teams with the pure offensive talent can capitalize early. With only 48 games in the season, getting off to a lead in the first 8 to 10 will be huge.
The key is whether the old guys on the team will be healthier in the playoffs than they have been the past few seasons. If so, they could go very deep.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
why would Landry Jones be a 3rd or 4th round pick if all you had to do was wait a year for him to deliver win after win?
Mcfadden20, I’m now guessing you’re under 21 years of age.
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I’m just messing with everyone , I don’t really care about QB position ,personally I think we’re fine there, but honestly what’s up with the insults? You call me a kid but you throws tantrums at everybody who doesn’t agree with you . Don’t like my idea or way of thinking then fine ,find some body that has same POV I’m sure u can be happy agreeing on every single thing with that person
January 20th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Glad Hockey season is under way , something to do on boring weekdays lol
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And the Sharks start off hot with plenty of offense in a 4-1 slamming of Calgary in their home!
Sharks should be able to get off to a quick start this year with so much offense in their top 2 lines. With the lockout and super short “training camp” we’re going to see the team defenses be softer than normal to start the year. The teams with the pure offensive talent can capitalize early. With only 48 games in the season, getting off to a lead in the first 8 to 10 will be huge.
The key is whether the old guys on the team will be healthier in the playoffs than they have been the past few seasons. If so, they could go very deep.
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Lets hope so , fast start is the key to the season this year, n they can’t afford any injuries to their top guys this year, it’s still too early to predict their playoff games but I guess we’ll just wait n see , instead of fantasizing about lord Stanley cup every single year
January 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Glad hockey is back also I believe this short season will def benefit the sharks greatly they should cruise threw this 48 game season and hopefully be fresher this year in the playoffs due to a short season by the way wave of the future still mannings Brady brees Rodgers rappinberger Ryan flacco stafford luck glennon Arron Murray Tyler Wilson Ryan nassib bray and jones bank it
January 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Missdick–I believe u have hate in u. It’s unfortunate. I’ve attacked u for it. But in the spirit of MLK day tomorrow, I am “retiring” that angle. I still may make a joke here and there but it will be in good spirit and I won’t be negative with u anymore. I don’t think it’s fruitful. And too many posters are convinced there is racism behind my posts, which even though there is not, I don’t wish to spread that notion. U tempt many of us to root against kaepernick, but since he is probably my favorite player in the Super Bowl, I won’t let ur gloating stand in the way of me supporting a good and exciting young player. I hope u see the error of ur ways for ur kids sake at least.
Go raiders.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Where did you watch hockey game today ? Live ?
January 20th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Missdick–I believe u have hate in u. It’s unfortunate. I’ve attacked u for it. But in the spirit of MLK day tomorrow, I am “retiring” that angle. I still may make a joke here and there but it will be in good spirit and I won’t be negative with u anymore. I don’t think it’s fruitful. And too many posters are convinced there is racism behind my posts, which even though there is not, I don’t wish to spread that notion. U tempt many of us to root against kaepernick, but since he is probably my favorite player in the Super Bowl, I won’t let ur gloating stand in the way of me supporting a good and exciting young player. I hope u see the error of ur ways for ur kids sake at least.
Go raiders.
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Mist1c is just an attention who’re , who’s not happy with her life n decisions she made so she shows up in her to get some approval on her ideas , I noticed at one time nobody responded to him n he kept posting the same comments n then had to check into her sock puppet iD to talk to herself , so she doesn’t look like a stupid whore she is , but all everybody needs to do is ignore her, not ever get tempted ( i know its hard not to , because you just cant stop from laughing at her ) to reply to her silly posts
January 20th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I have tossed around the idea of taking geno for a month or so. I don’t think we will go that route but I wouldn’t be against it.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Then she will b gone, I know it seems like somebody always respond to her , but believe me those are all her sick puppets , I’m not going to name them but you know who those people are
January 20th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Even when you draft a QB you need to support him with solid Oline ,solid OC, solid Wr’s ,n even solid D , which keeps the score in range so that you want ask ur QB to throw on 100% of the plays, which gets you T Brady,Manning,Ben,Flacco,Ryan,Eli , otherwise you get D Carrs , J Russell’s , R Leafs, Tim Couches , I think we’re good with Palmer for atleast another couple of years, draft class is weak in this draft anyways , much better next year when AJ McCarton , Johnny football , USC QB declare
January 20th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
I’m looking forward to reading the coverage on the Senior Bowl; should keep the boards from overflowing with posts.
Then again, the 9ers just got to the Superbowl, so maybe Cork & Jerry will be stuck on the Harbaugh/BroBowl/Crabtree beat
January 20th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
have a g’nite nation
January 20th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Is there an word on our comp picks?
Someone posted a list that looks way too good to be true, something like 2 4ths and 2 6ths…
January 20th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Saw the NHL game on replay tonight at 8
January 20th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
McFadden 20 she is a whore who I will def ignore from here on out
January 20th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
It’s too bad Pryor isn’t a very good passer cuz he’s probably the best athlete of all the new wavers (except possibly griffin, but he’s more durable cuz of his size). If he could pass for 60%, he would be the best qb in the nfl. But unfortunately there is a huge difference between 47% and 60%.
The raiders attempted 628 passes from their qb’s this season.
At 60%, that’s 377 completions.
At 47%, that’s 295 completions.
A difference of 82 completions, or a little over 5 per game, or probably around 50 or 60 yards.
But more than that, it’s several first downs u don’t get.
Possibly he could make it up on the ground, but I think his rainbow ducks would get picked a lot.
January 20th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Is there an word on our comp picks?
Someone posted a list that looks way too good to be true, something like 2 4ths and 2 6ths…
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That was me , I posted that link , it said we will get a 4th for losing Wimbley , 3 – 6th rd comps for losing boss, satele , n another player maybe Routt, it had details about all teams , n what type of comps they Can expect , I know it’s 2 good to be true but I hope it is , so basically a 4th rd comp is like a top pick in 5th rd , 6th rd comps are like top picks in 7th , doubt we can get any game changers with those pika , but wouldn’t hurt to try n see if we can get a diamond in the rough
January 21st, 2013 at 12:00 am
Ok gnite now for reals lol
January 21st, 2013 at 12:03 am
Mike Briseil’s 2013 salary and cap hit is $5.05 million – he got a $3.25 million signing bonus and has $6.5 million in salary guarantees from his 5yr/$20 mill contract and has been paid out about $1.4 mill so far. Reggie was specific and cited a bad ankle for his bad season and he had ‘major’ surgery and is slated to be back ‘full’ for training camp. If he were released, the Raiders would be on the hook for a big hit – something in the range of a $6.5 million cap hit. Ain’t gonna happen. A trade is unlikely for a 30 year old player coming off serious surgery.
This was a bad signing and an even worse deal. Look for ‘Big Mike’ to be in the starting mix next year and precluding any major signings at offensive guard in 2013.
What about Bergstrom? Can he start at LG this season and play well?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:05 am
papertiger418 Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Is there an word on our comp picks?
Someone posted a list that looks way too good to be true, something like 2 4ths and 2 6ths…
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Not that good – we’ll get picks only for Satele, Bush and maybe Campbell – but some cancel out for the Briseil signing. I have heard we could get max 2 but they would be late – like 6th or 7th rounders..
January 21st, 2013 at 12:08 am
Dr as u Pryor will never make it in this league as a WR
January 21st, 2013 at 12:10 am
Wow I FCKED that one up meant to say dr u kno Pryor will never make it in this league as a qb anyways bed time I’m out peace mystic is a chick
January 21st, 2013 at 12:32 am
It’s too bad Pryor isn’t a very good passer cuz he’s probably the best athlete of all the new wavers (except possibly griffin, but he’s more durable cuz of his size). If he could pass for 60%, he would be the best qb in the nfl. But unfortunately there is a huge difference between 47% and 60%.
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I don’t buy this. Unless the definition of “athlete” is strcitly dude that runs really fast, then he’s not the best. An athlete is a combination of many skills: running, jumping, agility, hand-eye, split second decision making. Outside of running and agility, what are Pryor’s other athletic skills, at least as measured by the NFL standards?
I say he’s incomplete because his throwing ability is clearly subpar, he makes questionable on the fly decisions and doesn’t seem to have that grasp of intuitive calculus that let’s you read and interpret angles as demonstrated by a lack of ability to hit receivers in stride.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:38 am
CDERaider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:03 am
Mike Briseil’s 2013 salary and cap hit is $5.05 million – he got a $3.25 million signing bonus and has $6.5 million in salary guarantees from his 5yr/$20 mill contract and has been paid out about $1.4 mill so far. Reggie was specific and cited a bad ankle for his bad season and he had ‘major’ surgery and is slated to be back ‘full’ for training camp. If he were released, the Raiders would be on the hook for a big hit – something in the range of a $6.5 million cap hit. Ain’t gonna happen. A trade is unlikely for a 30 year old player coming off serious surgery.
This was a bad signing and an even worse deal. Look for ‘Big Mike’ to be in the starting mix next year and precluding any major signings at offensive guard in 2013.
What about Bergstrom? Can he start at LG this season and play well?
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I felt that Briesel became a popular whipping boy for the parrots here to echo about sucking. In reality, over the course of the season I thought he played at the level of the other guys on the line, better than Carlisle and Barnes and a notch below Little Wiz and Veldheer.
I didn’t even think that he was a horrible investment for a team that seemed committed to installing and gelling in the ZBS. Yeah, the price tag is high but he was a proven commodity coming from a team that was the pillar of excellence in executing the ZBS over the last couple of years.
However, if Olsen is going to switch to power scheme, that certainly changes the equation. We don’t yet know how he’ll do in a power system but history says ZBS guys do well because they are smaller and more agile than the dozers that do well in the power based approaches. The odds are against him. Yet, his contract is not a friendly one to waive him from this season because of the cap acceleration. I think they’ve painted themselves into a corner with this one at least through 2014.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:45 am
Pryor will be Grudens starting QB in ‘14. Bank it.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:49 am
More than one source. Raiders gonna be a powerhouse in ‘14. Two year plan. Draft solid quick defense. Aquire offense guys they FA. Take out the trash. ‘14 will be our Lombardi year.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:52 am
Won’t watch the Super Bowl. Season is over for me. Don’t like Baltimore for running up the score on the raiders. Other reasons to. They head planted Gannon and got away with it. Don’t like the niners being kings (or queens if you like) of the bay. Oakland will get back to the days of glory.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:53 am
We will get maybe one or two comps at most, nothing earlier than a fourth, that’s if we lose Bryant or Wheeler.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:20 am
Bryant & Wheeler are BOTH must sign players. Can’t afford to lose either one – PERIOD.
January 21st, 2013 at 2:05 am
It funny people see Kap across the bay and think “we have Pryor he’s the same.”
If Pryor could throw the ball half as well as Kap then he would be a starter in this league but has not shown any passing ability even with 2 years to work on it.
Maybe, mayyybee next year but for the moment this is fools gold if you think Pryor=Kap.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:24 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
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But when you watch TP6 throw, there’s really no comparison between him and guys like RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, etc.
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Nope.
Kaepernick really gets rid of that ball fast and throws darts.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:34 am
Olsen wasn’t my choice but I’m just relieved that Knapp won’t be here.
Man that pizzed me off when Knapp was hired last year since he’d already failed with pretty much the same players and was replaced by Cable(!) to call the plays with Al’s blessing.
The switch to the power game better fits the personnel especially Palmer and McFadden but I think Prior will progress as well.
We will be better on offense although the OL needs fortifying.
Put little Wiz back as LG and try Parsons at center since he was playing OK there last year.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:56 am
Yeah Knapp was an awful choice. Was he the only candidate left?
January 21st, 2013 at 3:57 am
How is janikowski not representing the AFC?? Didnt he only miss a couple over 50 ALL YEAR?
January 21st, 2013 at 3:59 am
Kaep throws cannon balls. NONE of his young contempories has that arm mojo…
January 21st, 2013 at 4:00 am
Jano’s absence in Honolulu is a shamockery
January 21st, 2013 at 4:01 am
I mean Pat Dawson??? Guy is as old and almost as usless as I am…
January 21st, 2013 at 4:02 am
Yup. Jano 31/34 with 3 misses from 50+. And he books kick offs through the endzone with ease.
I haven’t watched a probowl or really cared whatsoever about selections since I was a kid, for good reason. Obviously.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:03 am
3 misses from 50+ but 6/9 overall from 50+…
January 21st, 2013 at 4:23 am
go Ravens!!
January 21st, 2013 at 5:11 am
I don’t imagine Arian Foster, Jamaal Charles & CJ Spiller are too pleased with this news.
you go from having Vonta Leach as a lead blocker to … Marcel Reece??
yikes!
January 21st, 2013 at 5:13 am
JLofty Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:59 am
Kaep throws cannon balls. NONE of his young contempories has that arm mojo…
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He definitely winds up like a baseball pitcher and slings it.. I think it’s smart they haven’t tried to coach that out of him and make him sling it from his shoulder
January 21st, 2013 at 5:14 am
London Fletcher & Daryl Washington are ready to knock the fat receiver (wearing #45) back 5 yards
January 21st, 2013 at 5:16 am
Kaep throws cannon balls
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I hope CK gets eaten alive by the Ravens D in a few weeks
49ers = gey
January 21st, 2013 at 5:58 am
so, I think that Ravens just proved a couple things:
1. That defense still matters in the era of offensive juggernauts.
2. That having a strong workhorse runningback (Rice) can still be quite relevant if complemented by a good passing game. Flacco isn’t elite, but he’s more than enough to take advantage of Rice’s abilities. Plus, he’s been surprisingly clutch in the postseason, and should’ve lead them to 2 consecutive super bowls, had last year not had a missed field goal.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:00 am
Living in Reno, I got to see a lot of Kaepernick.
He’s developing beautifully.
There was never any doubt he could run with the best.
There was never any doubt he could throw lasers.
However, long term observers of Kaepy realized there were holes in his game that would have to be filled, in order for him to thrive at the next level.
There were times Kaepy made careless turnovers.
Saw him lose his balance scrambling once, and he used the hand he was holding the ball in to right himself. He regained his footing and started to take off upfield. Just one problem – he left the ball on the turf behind him.
During the year that UNR defeated Boise and almost went undefeated, the only loss that season came against Hawaii, and although Kaepy played pretty well that game – it was a careless fumble as he was about to score up the left sideline that was a decisive factor in that narrow loss.
Seems like CK is over that issue.
His field vision was spotty at UNR but seems vastly improved now. Seems to have a good grasp of knowing where defenders are now.
His ability to throw darts into tight windows remains unchanged, but salient observers realized there were times he needed to put a bit more ‘arc’ on some of his tosses.
We see that happening now, as evidenced by the throws to V.Davis.
One would think that with his great velocity, CK would be a fantastic long ball thrower. This wasn’t true as the aforementioned predisposition to throwing flat ‘darts’ limited this aspect of his game.
The sky is the limit for CK. With the proper coaching and the desire to continue to improve, CK will be a force for quite a while – even after the run aspect of his game diminishes.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:14 am
Just wanted to add that the throw CK made to Craptree up the right seam on the drive that culminated with Craptree fumbling at the goal line was one of the best pasees you will ever see.
The timing, velocity, and pin point accuracy on that toss was out of this world.
Only a handfull of guys to ever play this great game could have made that one.
Truly exceptional.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:17 am
That was too sweet watching the end of the bellacheat and brady. I hope that was their last run.
Ravens shut them out in the second half. That’s unreal to do that in Beantown.
<—- starting to really really respect Ray and I hope he gets another ring
January 21st, 2013 at 6:19 am
Are semis losing it? some were actually comparing TP’s arm to the incredible arm on Kappy?
You are nuts. We came dam close to having kappy as a Raider
January 21st, 2013 at 6:26 am
Both these teams do almost everything well. Biggest flaw may be niner d backs.
I will take the ravens and give the points but that’s probably where all the money will go meaning bet the opposite
so take the niners and the points to win money!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:30 am
Plunkhead, the whiners are favored.
If you bet them, you’ll be giving points, not taking.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:35 am
Super Bowl showdown between QB’s from Nevada Reno and Deleware.
Doesn’t even sound right.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:36 am
There was a little debate yesterday at the beginning of the Falcons game about whether the Falcons gave up too much for Julio Jones.
Cleveland got defensive tackles Phil Taylor and Brandon Weeden with the ones they got, wideout Greg Little (NFL leader in drops) with the two, fullback Owen Marecic with one of the fours, and used the other four to trade up one spot for Trent Richardson this year.
Time will tell, but I will take Julio over that mix. The extra 4 used to trade up for Trent, could have just been their originally 4th anyways
January 21st, 2013 at 6:38 am
It’s about the baseball arms and skills.
Kapy might have the strongest arm in the game. Jake Locker, although horribly inaccurate, is in the mix.
And Russell Wilson runs like a 2nd baseman (which he was). Precise, quick steps, sudden change of direction.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:46 am
Each of these teams in the bowl have developed so much through the draft it is amazing.
Home-grown QB’s and RB’s. Mostly same WR’s, although Boldin and Moss are FA pickups.
O-line and D-line home grown. 1st round picks like Ray, Suggs and Willis at LB. Ed Reed, 1st round pick a staple on the back end.
These teams draft a guy in the first round, and they get 12 years out of them.
We draft a guy in the first round, and don’t even get 12 good games out of them.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:50 am
TP6 will never throw darts into tight spots like RGIII, Cam or Kap but Vince Young couldn’t do that either, he was an average passer at best yet had great success early in his career, I think TP compares to favorably to VY, except that TP has the drive and work ethic that VY lacked and ended up costing him his career.
With Palmer starting next season, TP will get another year to refine his footwork and mechanics,those are the 2 things that can help him get better, hopefully Greg Olson can help him with that, I’m sure TP is already calling Olson to get a playbook and schedule some workouts.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:50 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/bernard-pollard-rips-tom-brady-for-trying-to-kick-ed-reed/
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Nice job Pollard! Where’s the outrage? Brady better get fined at least $30k.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:51 am
ten four 99
in that case I am sticking with the Ravens fornow
January 21st, 2013 at 6:52 am
And Russell Wilson runs like a 2nd baseman (which he was). Precise, quick steps, sudden change of direction.
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And the man slides like Willie Mays
January 21st, 2013 at 6:53 am
There was a little debate yesterday at the beginning of the Falcons game about whether the Falcons gave up too much for Julio Jones.
Cleveland got defensive tackles Phil Taylor and Brandon Weeden with the ones they got, wideout Greg Little (NFL leader in drops) with the two, fullback Owen Marecic with one of the fours, and used the other four to trade up one spot for Trent Richardson this year.
Time will tell, but I will take Julio over that mix. The extra 4 used to trade up for Trent, could have just been their originally 4th anyways
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All true and a good, fair analysis.
At the time of the trade my initial reaction was ATL gave up way too much.
Of course, the end result of the trade would be determined by how JJ panned out and who CLE would ultimately wind up with.
If I’m CLE, I still make that trade in a heartbeat.
Feel pretty much the same way about the GRUDEN trade.
Sure, it didn’t work out for the RAIDS, but that was a bounty that AD couldn’t turn down.
Too bad he squandered the picks.
RAIDS go down in history as the loser in that trade – and the BROWNS might go down as the loser in the JJ trade – but I can’t really second guess either franchise for making those deals.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:46 am
Each of these teams in the bowl have developed so much through the draft it is amazing.
Home-grown QB’s and RB’s. Mostly same WR’s, although Boldin and Moss are FA pickups.
O-line and D-line home grown. 1st round picks like Ray, Suggs and Willis at LB. Ed Reed, 1st round pick a staple on the back end.
These teams draft a guy in the first round, and they get 12 years out of them.
We draft a guy in the first round, and don’t even get 12 good games out of them.
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Been saying this for years! Doesn’t matter who we’ve drafted! It was never going to work because our organization has been so fked up. Flacco and Kap are wildly talented players that came into top-flight organizations with damn good teams. Makes all the difference. Poor JaMarcus.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 am
Some idiot imposter posted under my name last night. Sorry for the harsh language. I have submitted a complaint to Corkran.
Just Fire Baby, you raise important points. These organizations effuse consistency and confidence. Franchises that are seemingly stuck in their losing ways tend to flail, and then fail. Too bad we’re in the latter camp.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:57 am
but I can’t really second guess either franchise for making those deals.
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I would say though that Julio Jones was about as sure of a thing in that draft, nothing is a sure thing but he was about as close as it gets.
They gave that up for a lot of picks who turned into prospects that are very far from sure things.
People put too much into mid-round picks sometimes. Yes they help for depth and all that, but if in your draft you get a future 5 time Pro Bowler like Julio JOnes, it is a great draft, no matter if everyone else in the draft is just a depth/ST guy.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:57 am
Atlanta traded a Franchise QB-like bounty to get Julio, they were already a playoff team and were trying to take the next step, because of the price it seems to me only a Super Bowl win will make that trade worth it, and I’m not taking anything away from Julio who is a great player.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:00 am
Poor JaMarcus.
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Who’s he playing for again ?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:00 am
Point is, they were already a playoff team with or without Julio so unless you go farther, you have to question the move, but it certainly wasn’t a terrible trade by any means, time will tell.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:06 am
It was a bold move, no doubt.
An extra first and a second to move up 21 spots is a lot.
I don’t really care too much about two 4th rounders on top of it.
I would love a GM like Dimitroff though, everything is analytics with him. Values, point systems.
SI did an article on him the beginning of the year when he fired a ton of road scouts and hired a bunch of Ivy-league eggheads to crunch numbers as their replacements.
The football version of Sabermetrics. I have a sad feeling that those theories are completely over the head of our current front office.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:06 am
It’s amazing to me that Atlanta got blanked blanked in the 2nd half. Matt Ryan couldn’t have been in a better situation. He had all day to throw to the best group of receivers in the league by a long shot. They all caught everything thrown their way. What else can Dimitroff do to prop that guy up? Happened last week as well. Falcons were completely outclassed at the QB position the last two weeks.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:07 am
I’m not a resident of the Bay Area so maybe news doesn’t filter out enough to reach me, but what did Al Saunders do wrong?
I take Hue for what he was (not a hater, but not an apologist for him either), but Al contributed a lot to that offense and he would have been the perfect guy to be the OC and maintain continuity last year….and this year.
Unless he told Reggie and DA that he doesn’t want to be the OC and would rather do “project” kinda work……the consecutive 2 Greg hirings just make no sense.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:11 am
his age i guess? 313
January 21st, 2013 at 7:12 am
this Greg was approved by Martz!
January 21st, 2013 at 7:13 am
Julio Jones is awesome. But the trade could come back to haunt them. Those picks will come in handy when it comes to fixing the D. Those guys looked terrible the last two weeks. Ryan isn’t good enough to overcome that. The eggheads better get crackin.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:13 am
Roddy White slipping on that INT wasn’t on Ryan one bit.
But that fumbled snap was the back-breaker.
Still had his team 10 yards from the Super Bowl.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:13 am
Matt Ryan got rolled in the end and that injury took all of the fight out of him!
January 21st, 2013 at 7:21 am
How fcking great is ProFootball to watch ?
I mean, even with Roger G. and the efforts to pussify the game – it’s still a spectacle you don’t want to miss.
Some people see that Pollard hit yesterday and bemoan the pure violence and possible injury.
I LOVE THAT STUFF.
Man, I’d love to see AD in his hayday plotting to stop the current trend towards running QBs.
You don’t think DEs like Townsend, A.Smith, and Howie would be under orders to decapitate Kaepernick, RGIII, Kim Newt, Russell Smith every single time they went read-option – even after they handed it off ?
I’m thinking despite all the rules to protect the QB, you’re going to see these guys getting hammered next year – regardless of the penalties and fines.
God, I love this sport.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:22 am
The fumbled snap was terrible. One thing I’ve never liked about Ryan is his constant deer-in-the-headlights look. Did you see how big his eyes were when SF was bringing that blitz? He was scared shtlss at a crucial point in the game and folded. That’s just one of the ways he was outclassed by Kappy in that game.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:24 am
Some people see that Pollard hit yesterday and bemoan the pure violence and possible injury.
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Not bemoaning the injury, just the absurdity of the “roughing” the passer penalty on Kap yesterday, then Pollard can go helmet to temple and that is fine.
I feel that roughing the passer needs the 5 and 15 yard varieties like the old facemask calls.
It is getting ridiculous. How can you extend a 3rd and 12 drive for an offense, when you literally graze the facemask of the QB after the pass was thrown, and it had ZERO bearing on the plays outcome?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:24 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:21 am
How fcking great is ProFootball to watch ?
I mean, even with Roger G. and the efforts to pussify the game – it’s still a spectacle you don’t want to miss.
Some people see that Pollard hit yesterday and bemoan the pure violence and possible injury.
I LOVE THAT STUFF.
Man, I’d love to see AD in his hayday plotting to stop the current trend towards running QBs.
You don’t think DEs like Townsend, A.Smith, and Howie would be under orders to decapitate Kaepernick, RGIII, Kim Newt, Russell Smith every single time they went read-option – even after they handed it off ?
I’m thinking despite all the rules to protect the QB, you’re going to see these guys getting hammered next year – regardless of the penalties and fines.
God, I love this sport.
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED ?
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Hilarious! Won’t even come close to working. It’s here to stay.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:25 am
Yesterday was a very good example of what I have been saying.
Whether, it it is 1976 or 2012, one dimensional offense loses. You need to pass AND run AND play defense to win.
Falcons get beat on the ground and lose. Even passing for 396.
Pats get beat on the ground (not by much) and lose.
The PATS outpassed the Ravens 320 to 235 AND LOST.
Brady throws two picks when he is one dimensional.
All the game stats in the world do not change the fact that to win championships you have to run and pass and play defense. IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
He was scared shtlss at a crucial point in the game and folded.
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We got it, you got an agenda against Matt Ryan.
You said they would have a better chance to win with Dominque Davis, lol.
I don’t know about “folding”, he took the team 70 yards with the Super Bowl on the line against the #2 ranked defense, and came up 10 yards short of the Super Bowl.
That’s a great place to pick up on next year, and I am sure he will be right in the same spot again in the 2013 playoffs.
He is the best of the rest in the NFL at QB.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:25 am
Yesterday was a very good example of what I have been saying.
Whether, it it is 1976 or 2012, one dimensional offense loses. You need to pass AND run AND play defense to win.
Falcons get beat on the ground and lose. Even passing for 396.
Pats get beat on the ground (not by much) and lose.
The PATS outpassed the Ravens 320 to 235 AND LOST.
Brady throws two picks when he is one dimensional.
All the game stats in the world do not change the fact that to win championships you have to run and pass and play defense. IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
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WORD ! ! ! !
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:25 am
Yesterday was a very good example of what I have been saying.
Whether, it it is 1976 or 2012, one dimensional offense loses. You need to pass AND run AND play defense to win.
Falcons get beat on the ground and lose. Even passing for 396.
Pats get beat on the ground (not by much) and lose.
The PATS outpassed the Ravens 320 to 235 AND LOST.
Brady throws two picks when he is one dimensional.
All the game stats in the world do not change the fact that to win championships you have to run and pass and play defense. IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
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Well said.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:29 am
IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
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LOL
Here we go, JFB.
You ready?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:29 am
The thing that Aaron Rodgers pointed to why he was quoted as “this thing will pass” had nothing to do with defenses or anything like that.
He said young QB’s will learn to pass better and not want to get hit like IR’GIII. He thinks mobile QB’s are here to stay, but not the read option.
We shall see.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 am
GreatWhiteRaider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:07 am
I’m not a resident of the Bay Area so maybe news doesn’t filter out enough to reach me, but what did Al Saunders do wrong?
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Nothing I know of.
In fact, I’m kind of encouraged the Saunders is going to be calling plays at the Senior Bowl.
A close examination of OLSON’S resume reveals he was an OC at one point that was responsible for play-design but wasn’t the actual play caller on game day.
If OLSON screws up in his play calling or is deemed unsatisfactory in that capacity by Tits – it’s not too far fetched to think that Saunders might eventually wind up calling plays again.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
He was scared shtlss at a crucial point in the game and folded.
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We got it, you got an agenda against Matt Ryan.
You said they would have a better chance to win with Dominque Davis, lol.
I don’t know about “folding”, he took the team 70 yards with the Super Bowl on the line against the #2 ranked defense, and came up 10 yards short of the Super Bowl.
That’s a great place to pick up on next year, and I am sure he will be right in the same spot again in the 2013 playoffs.
He is the best of the rest in the NFL at QB.
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I was joking about Davis then. Now, I’m not so sure. And who gives a sht about going 70 yards?? You had me at “came up 10 yds short”. Getting in position for a FG and getting into the endzone are two very different things, huh? Ryan doesn’t have the goods.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 am
IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
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I never used “just” lol.
QB-WR league. Flacco got rolling in the 3rd quarter, with Boldin beasting on the Pats.
Pats with all their “Great” O-lineman couldn’t do squat because their WR’s are terrible at times. Welker dropping that pass? Nobody to stretch the field.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:33 am
You had me at “came up 10 yds short”. Getting in position for a FG and getting into the endzone are two very different things, huh?
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Who’s talking about FG’s?
He needed to go 80 yards to get to the Super Bowl. He got 70 of them.
That’s not “folding” like you said. That is coming up a hair short.
Folding is what Peyton did at the end of some of his playoff losses, when he had one drive to make something happen, and took 2 sacks and went 4 and out.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:38 am
Not bemoaning the injury, just the absurdity of the “roughing” the passer penalty on Kap yesterday, then Pollard can go helmet to temple and that is fine.
I feel that roughing the passer needs the 5 and 15 yard varieties like the old facemask calls.
It is getting ridiculous. How can you extend a 3rd and 12 drive for an offense, when you literally graze the facemask of the QB after the pass was thrown, and it had ZERO bearing on the plays outcome?
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Very weak call.
Seems to me that just brushing the QB’s dome should NOT be an automatic penalty – not even a 5 yarder.
Granted, it’s very hard to determine INTENT, but on that play it was clear that the Falcon defender took a swipe at blocking the throw and only inadvertently barely glanced CK’s helmet.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 am
IT IS NOT JUST A QB AND WR LEAGUE.
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I never used “just” lol.
QB-WR league. Flacco got rolling in the 3rd quarter, with Boldin beasting on the Pats.
Pats with all their “Great” O-lineman couldn’t do squat because their WR’s are terrible at times. Welker dropping that pass? Nobody to stretch the field.
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What about the protection Flacco got from his O-line? And how about the Baltimore D? Great TEAM effort by the Ravens.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:41 am
Both of Flacco’s TD throws were with guys in his kitchen, throwing off his back foot.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:42 am
JFB
I agree that you must have efficient QB play and good WR. I have always believed that.
In the NFL, no QB or band of receivers will win being one dimensional. Playoff teams are too good.
The Falcons yesterday is an example of what I have been saying. Had they been able to run and stay balanced they do not give up a 17 point lead.
Further good defense is a must to win championships.
You will rarely outscore somebody in a shootout especially in playoff football.
That is why I have stressed the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball for the Raiders. Till we get that addressed we will continue to get pounded by good teams.
Our 9-51 record against playoff teams over the last ten years losing at average score of 30-13 is a really alarming indicator of how big a gap we have to overcome.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:42 am
But yes, the Ravens D imposed some will in the second half.
But guys like Vereen, Lloyd, Ridley, they just aren’t on that level to punch back in a championship game.
Pats need better weapons, especially with gronk out.
You think Boldin and Rice let people punk them like that?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:43 am
He said young QB’s will learn to pass better and not want to get hit like IR’GIII.
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LMAO at IR’GIII.
You’ve been coming up with some classics lately.
Still laughing about the ‘wirey haired heros’ line you pulled on Misty the other day.
Keep the laughs coming, my man.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:41 am
Both of Flacco’s TD throws were with guys in his kitchen, throwing off his back foot.
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Lets try this again. What about the protection Flacco got from his O-line?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:50 am
Ravens out ‘toughed’ the Patsies yesterday.
The hit that Mayo put on Pitta was a pretty good lick.
Pitta holds on to the ball, gets up, and comes back the very next play to grab a TD pass.
Boldin was a BEAST in the end zone.
Wasn’t going to be denied.
That’s one tough and fearless mofo.
Remember when he got his face smashed in, and was playing again in a few weeks ?
Some badazzes on that squad.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 am
Raidermann
Boldin was a beast in the endzone because the Pats had to respect the run. It opens up things for your WR in the redzone.
That has been a problem with the Raiders. A huge problem in the red zone.
Teams know we can not run so they rush four and drop every body in the endzone. Against good defenses we are usually forced to settle fo field goals.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 am
Any semis notice that Mattys last pass, game on the line, need 4 yards to continue SB dreams and he threw a half a yard short of the sticks.
CP was lambasted in here but it happens all the time. Even if that pass was caught, it probably would not have been a first down
January 21st, 2013 at 8:02 am
raidertalk Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 2:05 am
It funny people see Kap across the bay and think “we have Pryor he’s the same.”
If Pryor could throw the ball half as well as Kap then he would be a starter in this league but has not shown any passing ability even with 2 years to work on it.
Maybe, mayyybee next year but for the moment this is fools gold if you think Pryor=Kap.
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Oh, and then there’s Kap’s 35 Wonderlic compared to Pryor’s 7. But no, that doesn’t matter. Pryor runs fast after all.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:05 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 am
Any semis notice that Mattys last pass, game on the line, need 4 yards to continue SB dreams and he threw a half a yard short of the sticks.
CP was lambasted in here but it happens all the time. Even if that pass was caught, it probably would not have been a first down
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Did you fail to notice the clear illegal contact that then turned into pass interference when the LB all but held Roddy up from getting to the 5 and half yards pattern he was attemtping? I know that the refs did, although the TV announcers did not.
That one non-call combined with the horrible roughing call against Kap on 3 and 12 changed the game for the worst. The best team in the NFC is now home on the couch.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:07 am
In fairness to Matt, Bowman impeded the progress of the rcvr, but you’re right – even if the catch was made – would have been short of the sticks.
CP, or any QB or OC that consistently calls for 3rd down throws short of the sticks DESERVES to be lambasted.
It’s bullsh1t and LOSER BALL.
Personified to the umpteenth degree by GREG KRAPP.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:08 am
Even though BSPN and the rest of the media focused on Flacco and Boldin, the reason Balt beat the Bellicheats yesterday was the Ravens D. To hold Brady & Co to 1 TD, with 4 redzone tries is awesome.
Make no mistake, yes Flacco and the O are good, but no way on the level with their D.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:10 am
Ngata, Suggs, Lewis, Reed, Pollard, Ellerbe…smart, fast, tough, disciplined…gonna be tough for SF.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:12 am
Agreed.
You must Pass AND run AND play solid defense to win playoff games.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:15 am
Always liked Pollard, first caught my eye when he ran down McFadden a couple of years ago in KC… reminds me of Rodney Harrison. Great vs the Run, Ok vs the pass, has a nice mean streak about him.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:17 am
I first noticed Pollard when he danced like a stripper and did the splits on Hard Knocks. That was some funny shait
January 21st, 2013 at 8:18 am
According to the NFL, QBs and WRs are more important than OL (excluding LTs) based on their salaries which reflects their value.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:20 am
Gronk out was a huge loss for the Pats.
Ray and Reed are world-class players, with world-class reputations.
New England pass-catchers were not at all comfortable out there.
Gronk never plays with that type of fear.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:23 am
By all accounts if Matt Ryan wilted under the pressure the last two years, what does that say about Tom Brady who has made crucial mistakes in the playoffs since the 07 super bowl season. They talk a lot on bspn about Peyton Manning chocking in the playoffs but the golden boy hero Tom Brady is portrayed as mr. clutch.
Lets see, the Pats havent won a super bowl since the 04 season???!!! that’s 8 years of chocking by Tom Brady, excluding that one year he missed when Pollard took out his knee.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:26 am
excluding that one year he missed when Pollard took out his knee.
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There’s that name again.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:28 am
Raider O
Interesting but I would argue that people in Atlanta and NE might be skeptical of that assessment.
Falcons passed for 396 yards (versus SF 224 yards) AND LOST THE GAME!
The Pats passed for 320 yards (versus Ravens 235) AND LOST THE GAME.
I think you need to be balanced. Individual stats can be very misleading especially when they are adulterated when playing weak teams during the regular season.
Build the lines so you can also run the ball and play defense and the wins will follow.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:28 am
No Patriot showed more fear than Tom Brady yesterday.
Preferred to slide short of the sticks or throw up prayers rather than run for 1st downs. Don’t blame the guy for not liking to get hit, but his performance yesterday was embarrasing.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:33 am
Charlie,
Only you would argue with facts. lol
Pats were missing their best weapon on offense. PB TE Gronk was injured.
Falcons defense is one of the worst defenses in the POs allowing 430+ yards/ game.
Those are facts.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:38 am
Regardless of who was on the field, I pointed out what the yards were and how they were gained.
The teams that were more balanced won.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 am
Debo Brady has 3 super bowls who gives a fck guy can do whatever he wants one of the greatest qb to ever play FACT get over it
January 21st, 2013 at 8:42 am
“Regardless of who was on the field”
“Stats are irrelevant”
“Individual stats can be misleading”
I see a pattern/ trend here.
LOL
January 21st, 2013 at 8:43 am
359.ian85 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 am
Debo Brady has 3 super bowls who gives a fck guy can do whatever he wants one of the greatest qb to ever play FACT get over it
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I’m not even a Montana fan, but Tom Brady couldn’t carry Joe’s jockstrap get over it.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:44 am
“According to the NFL, QBs and WRs are more important than OL (excluding LTs) based on their salaries which reflects their value.”
That’s because they are called “Skill”Players.
The 49ers have 3 1st round draft picks on their O-Line and they are in the Super Bowl…..so how can you argue that?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 am
What kind of hero is Matt Hassleback ?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 am
THREE!!
First round draft picks on their O-Line!
You cant argue that “O”
Good drafting inside and out with both ‘Skill” Players and the interior lines over the last 5 years is how the 49ers got to be where they are today.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 am
Sure Brady is a great QB… But the little pouty mouth he was making at the end of the game was PRICELESS… Someone shouldve thrown him a Kleenex!
F@cking ball baby!! Guess thats what happens when youre used to winning then dont, you cry about it. We Raiders fans dont have any tears left, we are hardened by defeat!!
January 21st, 2013 at 8:47 am
Preferred to slide short of the sticks or throw up prayers rather than run for 1st downs.
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Have you seen Brady run?
He couldn’t outrun anybody on the Ravens, including their punter and half their coaching staff.
Those area’s that looked like he could run through would close within two strides by Tom.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:47 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:50 am
TP6 will never throw darts into tight spots like RGIII, Cam or Kap but Vince Young couldn’t do that either, he was an average passer at best yet had great success early in his career, I think TP compares to favorably to VY, except that TP has the drive and work ethic that VY lacked and ended up costing him his career.
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vince young best year he completed 62% of his passes for only 2500 yards with 9TD’s and 17 INT’s……………I hardly call that great success….TP’s trade value will never be higher than it is right now…..3rd round at best…4th prob……take it
January 21st, 2013 at 8:47 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:44 am
“According to the NFL, QBs and WRs are more important than OL (excluding LTs) based on their salaries which reflects their value.”
That’s because they are called “Skill”Players.
The 49ers have 3 1st round draft picks on their O-Line and they are in the Super Bowl…..so how can you argue that?
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Browns have 3 1st round draft picks on their OL including the best LT in the game, and they won 5 games….. So how can you argue that?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:47 am
Brady won his SB rings when NE had a decent D… Tough to win SBs when everything rests on one man’s shoulders, just ask Peyton Manning.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:48 am
Matty ice played a hell of a game they def should have flagged bowman on that last 4 th down but they didn’t fcking zebras don’t understand Ur hate towards Ryan dudes a fcking boss will easily win a super bowl or two when his career is over but now his counterpart and fellow first round qb will take it home it’s flacco and the ravens time they will def beat the niners the niners lose TP physical smashmouth teams that play just like them flacco will hoist the Lombardi and become elite
January 21st, 2013 at 8:49 am
Montana won his SBs because he had a top 10 D… Ditto Bradshaw, Aikman & Brady.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:49 am
Another 49er fan stabbed a guy in Atlanta yesterday!
How many 49er stabbings does that make it this year alone?
3 or 4
Remember the one last year that ended our pre season rivalry….9er fans cause all the problems then we get blamed for having a rough fan base LMAO!
January 21st, 2013 at 8:49 am
Not trying to take the convo into the deep race debate, but curious how the media and the story will be on Kaepernick in the Super Bowl.
Is he the second black QB to start a SB, or is he the first mixed QB to start a SB? Is he too much of a “Cornball brother” for the Rob Parker’s of the world to even consider him in the mix? How would Kappy answer that question?
You got to think that during the bizarro media day, all this will be in the questions asked.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 am
THREE!!
First round draft picks on their O-Line!
You cant argue that “O”
Good drafting inside and out with both ‘Skill” Players and the interior lines over the last 5 years is how the 49ers got to be where they are today.
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I guess you missed the steelers winning 2 SBs with one OG the worst OLs in the league, and you missed the Giants winning 2 without investing a lot in their OL.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
One of* the….
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Calling a PI on that 4th down would have been no worse than the bogus roughing penalty called for Kap. Refs should have done it. Falcons had their chance though. But yes, I agree that the better team is at home. Shame.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
site predicting the compensatory picks for the drat……
Oakland
The Oakland Raiders lost Kamerion Wimbley and will receive a 4th round pick
The Oakland Raiders lost Michael Bush and will receive a 6th round pick
The Oakland Raiders lost Kevin Boss and will receive a 6th round pick
The Oakland Raiders lost Samson Satele and will receive a 6th round pick
The Oakland Raiders lost Jason Campbell who is cancelled out by Mike Briesel
The Oakland Raiders lost Trevor Scott who is cancelled out by Dave Tollefson
January 21st, 2013 at 8:51 am
Wasnt the ball tipped on Ryan’s last throw? No PI… Plus, didnt the refs give ATL a completion that was reviewed to #83? that was an incomplete pass man.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:51 am
“Browns have 3 1st round draft picks on their OL including the best LT in the game, and they won 5 games….. So how can you argue that?”
Its pretty simple just look at the last paragraph of my last post and all of your question will be answered.
“Good drafting inside and out with both ‘Skill” Players and the interior lines over the last 5 years is how the 49ers got to be where they are today.”
One could also say that poor drafting by Cleveland has got them to where they are today, at 5 wins.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:52 am
Boss I never said he was better than Montana I said he is one of the greatest qbs of all time that’s Fact unless u kno nothing about football it’s just common sense and he will prob win a 4th super bowl before he hangs them up
January 21st, 2013 at 8:53 am
Raider O
So what you are saying is that if you have a great QB and great recievers you automatically win?
How do you think they become great?????
They are only great if they have time and space to work.
O lines create time and space.
Dlines destroy time and space.
Skill guys can not demonstrate their “skills” without time and space.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:54 am
Regarding Cleveland… Good drafting has to be followed by good coaching. Cant blame the Oline 100% for the losses man.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:54 am
Plus, didnt the refs give ATL a completion that was reviewed to #83? that was an incomplete pass man.
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I thought his hand was under it the whole time, the ball can touch the ground now (new rule) as long as his hand was under it the whole time.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:55 am
Macho ball wasn’t tipped man Douglas catch not sure if it hit the ground def moved tho
January 21st, 2013 at 8:55 am
morning catfishers,well i think the probowl is a joke.not that the raiders deserved all kinds of selections but because its nothing more than a popularity contest like all the other all star type games.the game itself is a joke,the linemen dont even make contact,pure crap.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:56 am
Do people still watch the Probowl?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:58 am
So, people are saying the Refs gift wrapped the game to SF? no way man. great game, cant blame the refs for the INT and the fumble. Those two plays cost ATL the game.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:59 am
SNB 666
Too many on this blog look at one thing and think that is the answer.
As you have pointed out football is a team game.
ONE DIMESNIONAL TEAMS FAIL!!!!
Atlanta and the Pats are done becasue they were not as balanced as their competition.
YOU MUST RUN AND PASS AND PLAY DEFENSE TO WIN.
You do that with strong lines on both sides of the ball.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:59 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:53 am
Raider O
So what you are saying is that if you have a great QB and great recievers you automatically win?
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Show me were I said that please.
Btw, unless you have stats/ facts to support your argument and give it some credibility, I’m done debating this topic. It’s pointless. Opinions are not facts brother.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:02 am
If I had to focus on only one thing to make a team great it would be coaching… Invest a ton on coaching talent. Unfortunately my Raiders have not followed this philosophy during the last 10+ years.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:04 am
Opinions are not facts brother.
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You forget where you are, O? This the the ibabuzz blog, where a QB that throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs can get blamed for a loss and another QB that throws for 150, 1 TD and an INT can be touted as a hero when his team wins.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:05 am
“I guess you missed the steelers winning 2 SBs with one OG the worst OLs in the league, and you missed the Giants winning 2 without investing a lot in their OL.”
Its not a question of money its a questions of player evaluation and a solid front office that knows how to draft players a consistent front office with a good coaching staff. (see your examples above)
To call the Steelers O-Line worst in the league is just a flat out lie and that NYG O-Line is solid all the way around guys have played together for years.
Example:
in 2005 Pittsburgh was 5th in the NFL in rushing the won the Super Bowl that year and you call that a crappy O-line? WOW
in 2008 they were lower in rushing but had the #1 defense by a mile like the 2000 Ravens and we all know how a good defense like that can win even with a QB like Dilfer.
In the Giant’s case 4 out of 5 players on their O-Line were the same in the 2007 Super Bowl as the one they won last year.
So you don’t think continuity at coaching and O-Line had anything to do with that?
Come one man!
January 21st, 2013 at 9:05 am
380.ian85 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:52 am
Boss I never said he was better than Montana I said he is one of the greatest qbs of all time that’s Fact unless u kno nothing about football it’s just common sense and he will prob win a 4th super bowl before he hangs them up
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His stock has dropped the last 5 years, and he will NOT win another sb.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:08 am
TBB,
I forgot. I guess I was asking for too much.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:10 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:05 am
“I guess you missed the steelers winning 2 SBs with one OG the worst OLs in the league, and you missed the Giants winning 2 without investing a lot in their OL.”
Its not a question of money its a questions of player evaluation and a solid front office that knows how to draft players a consistent front office with a good coaching staff. (see your examples above)
To call the Steelers O-Line worst in the league is just a flat out lie and that NYG O-Line is solid all the way around guys have played together for years.
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Can you read and comprehend what you are reading.
I said one of the worst OLs in the league which is a fact. I didn’t say the worst.
You Monkeys …..
January 21st, 2013 at 9:12 am
Anyone who watches football knows the. Steelers won 2 SBs with ONE OF THE WORST OLs in the league but not 666.
LOL
January 21st, 2013 at 9:19 am
Big Ben pretty much said his O-line sucked the year they beat the Cardinals in the bowl.
Watch the America’s Game on that season. The whole premise of the feature is if Big Ben and the Steelers could overcome a crappy O-line.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:22 am
CDERaider Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Love Pryor the player but he doesn’t step into his throws – ever – don’t know why but its weird. He has arm strength but his lower half is frozen. No zip and inconsistent accuracy.
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He’s working on it now as we speak.
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A guy in his early 20s, a pro qb lacking in the most basic of passing skills (not stepping into his throws/not throwing with his legs instead of being all arm) has a very low percentage chance of changing all taht. By now, it should have become second nature, with only a tweak being necessary now and then when an injury or inattentiveness to mechanics creeps into his throwing, but that’s not the case with TP. He has never had the basics. Don’t look for him to ever develop into even a good passer. His “technique” has been hard-wired into him by now.
He’ll make some good throws now and then, but he’ll never be what is necessary for a qb. I wish they’d get him to change as soon as possible.
The other matter that can’t be alluded to by any coach publicly is that he doesn’t pick up things, bad pattern recognition which is truly a necessity for a qb who’ll be facing changing and complex defenses.
IOW, yeah, he’s slow.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:23 am
You People are willing to ignore the facts so you can keep arguing?!
You people remind me of my wife.
Eff the Facts!! Let me tell you my opinion.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:27 am
Raider O
Anyone who watches football knows that Olines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
No QB EVER will be effective without time to throw in a one dimensional offense. You must also have some running game.
No WR will be effective when the QB has no time to throw.
I have no idea where you support saying the Giants and Steelers had “ONE OF THE WORST” OLINES LINES WHEN THEY WON SUPERBOWLS.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 am
Raider O
What facts? How are you “grading” Oline play?
I would like to see them.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:29 am
Anyone who watches football knows the. Steelers won 2 SBs with ONE OF THE WORST OLs in the league
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…and an incredible amount of help from the refs against Seattle…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:41 am
Both of Flacco’s TD throws were with guys in his kitchen, throwing off his back foot.
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Lets try this again. What about the protection Flacco got from his O-line?
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What about the fact his receivers are HUgE and the defenders never looked back? Never looking back is the reason I was happy when Routt and DVD were sent packing.
Just like a qb who can’t change his mechanics after a lifetime of throwing incorrectly, a lot of otherwise speedy and athletic guys in the secondary never break the habit of not looking for the ball. Where is Routt now?
January 21st, 2013 at 9:32 am
I have no idea where you support saying the Giants and Steelers had “ONE OF THE WORST” OLINES LINES WHEN THEY WON SUPERBOWLS.
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I said the Giants won 2 SBs without investing a lot in their OLs. I said the steelers won 2 SBs with one of the worst OLs in the league.
I never said the Giants had one of the worst OLs in the league.
This is retarded.
I guess you people can’t read.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:36 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Calling a PI on that 4th down would have been no worse than the bogus roughing penalty called for Kap. Refs should have done it. Falcons had their chance though. But yes, I agree that the better team is at home. Shame.
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So now the Falcons game was all about calls?? You’ve never seen a flag for going to the QBs head before? SF didn’t have its way on offense pretty much all day? Ryan did’t mishandle a perfect snap because he was scared of the rush? It’s not like SF was perfect either. Akers missed a 3 yd FG. And what about the fumble by Crabtree at the 1?? The Falcons were at home! SF was favored. How do you figure Atlanta was the better team??????
January 21st, 2013 at 9:40 am
Reggie obviously needs to trade down cuz we need at least ten picks. UNLESS. He sees a franchise changer. Usually those guys are qb’s, rb’s, wrs, LT’s, pass rushers, or CB’s.
I doubt we draft a qb that high but it’s possible.
No rb or wr worth that pick.
We have a good LT. Prototype.
Pass rusher? Yes. And plenty available.
CB? Milliner. But not at 3.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:43 am
It was a shot to the head against Stabler in 76 that enabled them to get a 1st down late in the 4th against NE.
IT WAS A PENALTY though, and it was only 3rd down, but still.
That was when we used to be in the playoffs all the time.
What an incredible run of success from 67-84.
Good ole days.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:45 am
going into the free agency and draft period the raiders will not have ANY starting DT’s or anybody who can rush the passer or any starting caliber CB’s……that has to be where this draft is going……its not going to be guard
January 21st, 2013 at 9:49 am
Will we be receiving up to the minute reports on Senior Bowl practices all this week?
Nope.
It’s Niners the next couple weeks i’m sure.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:50 am
Top 3 defense continues it’s nice run going into next season.
Offense is revitalized with Knapp gone.
12-4.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:52 am
They still have kelly for now and might keep him. They will likely resign Bryant. And Bilukidi looks good. In fact those three were the rotation when the defense played so well at the end.
They have Houston and carter played well late too. Resigning him cheap should be a priority unless they love one of the guys at the top like jones, Moore, mingo, or Werner.
Corner? Adams is one. But we need another. That’s why I think milliner. But only after a trade down.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Well, we need 3 new starters on Dline. I like Houston and Bryant. Need another DE and at least one monster DT.
We need 2 new CBs, and a 1 friggin safety. Huffy and Gio are not starting caliber.
Urgently need a MLB.
Thats 7 new starters on D. Wow.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:57 am
00tt00 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:45 am
going into the free agency and draft period the raiders will not have ANY starting DT’s or anybody who can rush the passer or any starting caliber CB’s……that has to be where this draft is going……its not going to be guard
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Chekwa can play, go watch him the last 2 weeks….It’s just Shreg & Denise had a vendetta against him.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:58 am
DJ
I would like to think so.
9-51 over the last ten years against playoff teams losing on average 30-13 says otherwise.
Too many holes on both lines.
I think at best 7-9 in 2013.
Raider O
I agree that the Oline on the Steelers of 2008 did not have a first or second round pick starting on that line. If that was your point. I agree.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am
The D did not play the last couple of weeks. They shut out KC. Thats it.
Denver, Carolina and SD had their way with them.
Don’t let the breast fed writers confuse you and believe the D improved or that the newly signed OC is somehow a catch…please.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:59 am
No. We have Houston, kelly (for now), wheeler, Burris, branch.
We will likely resign Bryant, and possibly carter. Bilukidi could supplant kelly.
Adams starts at one CB. Ross starts at FS.
So, we need an MLB and a CB.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:00 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/21576816/big-board-thin-at-skill-spots-draft-loaded-with-talent-in-the-trenches
January 21st, 2013 at 10:00 am
I watched the games and I look at the stats, which don’t lie.
The defense played much better. That’s a fact. No spinning.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:12 am
U have to take into account what Reggie and Allen have said if u want to forecast the pick.
They think the dline is “stout” and it’s coverage that was poor. That’s why Adams and Ross were given opportunities. And they played well. Those area Reggie’s gets and they figure in the mix.
We know that veldheer, wiz, and brisiel will be back. And we know they plan on getting bergstrom in there. That leaves one spot, although they like nix too. But I doubt he would be penciled in as a starter.
OL or CB could be it if they trade down.
If they stay put, it’s likely a pass rusher or qb.
MLB and WR are biggest FA musts.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:14 am
So this D is a MLB and a CB away from being Top 10? Who are you, Huffy?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:25 am
bryant and Biluki are not starting DT’s…fine for the rotation but not starters…..thats why kelley with all his flaws is the starter……..kelley…when he wants to play is disruptive…thats what we need at DT….if we stay at 3 STAR is the guy
January 21st, 2013 at 10:31 am
00tt00 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:25 am
bryant and Biluki are not starting DT’s…fine for the rotation but not starters…..thats why kelley with all his flaws is the starter……..kelley…when he wants to play is disruptive…thats what we need at DT….if we stay at 3 STAR is the guy
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Couldn’t agree more. Ngata or Wilfork-type disruptors only show up a couple of times a decade. This guy had 42 tackles last season, at a position that doesn’t usually rack up the numbers, whilst being triple-teamed EVERY PLAY. Put him in and our defense improves 100%.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:33 am
The year I turned 6 and got my first “authentic childsize” Raider UNI W/ shoulder pads. The good old days!!
January 21st, 2013 at 10:34 am
1st Probowler under Reggie @ DA….knitting the quilt one patch at a time!
January 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am
Big Ben, is an abnormal size QB. He can and has taken the punishment behind his shat oline, even with his escapability, and penchant to extend plays.
Put ANY other QB behind that oline and they get SMOKED OUT OF EXISTENCE.
Cannot use the only QB in the league with this skill set as a norm.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:36 am
Build the TRENCHES
January 21st, 2013 at 10:37 am
What about the fact his receivers are HUgE and the defenders never looked back? Never looking back is the reason I was happy when Routt and DVD were sent packing.
Agree!
If the safety would have looked for the ball he could nave broke that TD play up!
January 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Though some dispute it, I believe the lines are the most important element of a team.
My take on our lines as they exist today:
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old and becoming very injury prone. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level any longer. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year. Perhaps he can rebound after ankle injury and offseason surgery.
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 34.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise and are legit NFL starters. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Brady was puit in check by what, the pressure UP THE MIDDLE…
ALL the Dlinemen need to be able to get to and hit the QB, not just the pash rushing ends…
January 21st, 2013 at 10:44 am
on #19
if RM opens the checkbook for FA here is my list in order of prioriety…(these are guys I think will actual be avail.)
1.Jake Long(mia)-OT/Jerome Bushrod(NO)- OT
2.Sean Smith(mia)-CB
3. D. Rogers Cromartie(phi)-CB
4. Michael Johnson(cin)-DE
5. Rey Maualuga(cin)-MLB
6. Greg Jennings(GB)-WR
there are others but we prolly won’t have to open the book for em’.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:47 am
We also need a “wave of the future” TE… the disgrunted guy fron TENcould fit the build, as by reports he wants out of TEN.
BTW, I am not down on the hot dog guy, as he balled out, considering his limitations.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:48 am
We are watching history unfold.
Cam newton has run for more yards than any qb in history over his first two seasons.
Newton has also PASSED FOR MORE YARDS THAN ANY QB IN HISTORY OVER HIS FIRsT TWO YEARS!!! He has accounted for an eye popping coleco vision total of 65 tds!!!!
Why because he is the wave of the future
RgIII Set the all time record for rushing by a rookie qb, he also was at the top of the nfl in tds to turn over leaving fellow rookie andrew luck in the dust. Right now RGIII is being made the poster child for the good old boys anti wave of the future movement, yet neither of his knee injuries were a result of designed qb runs. he simply was forced from the pocket by pressure, so in essence it is no different than any other qb injured by the pas rush or while fleeing the pass rush. Either way his 27 tds vs 7 turn overs.
Russel wilson upsets the highly paid free agent matt flynn then proceeds to set the nfl on fire, all the way to the playoffs behind an amazing 32 tds.
Now Kaepy, a player that all kind of question marks about his throwing motion lack of touch and the dreaded often over used gimick offense tag. Yesterday all three of the rushing tds were a result of kappy freeesing the entire defense with a zone read, thern the backs racing through grand canyon sized seams untouched into the endzone.
These last two years have two of the most enjoyable football season I ca remember even though my home team has languished behind a wildly over hyped and under performing carson palmer. A relic of the past and a qb that doesnt scare a single defense in football. In fact you see defenses get excited to play against carson knowing that they will pad there turn over and sack totals.
O dont think there is a scheme that can revive his sagging career. He cant play in the vertical game, he was aewful throwing deep two years running. He cant play in the dink and dunk offense, he couldn’t resit the urge to try and be p manning and no huddled the raiders into a 4 win season.
With the advent of the new football paradigm I for one have absolutely zero interest in palmer.
Palmer cant run the pistol, or shotgun spread. he isnt good enough as a drop back passer to compete with flacco or brady or manining either.
Time to dump him once and for all.
Olsen allen big mack what are you going to do? What kind of offense will you run? based on your current personnel?>
What makes more sense building an offense to fit carson? Well first you would need to know what offense he is good at running the answer at the moment is none.
Or do you want to put all of your explosive speed players on the filed run misdirection with motions shifts and ball handling by the qb. this will stretch the defense horizontally with quick passing and option runs by the hb and qb. Once the defense commits to focus on the run the raiders go over the top deep.
greg olsen and allen this is the make or break you are on the clock.
With pryor we leap frog into the new century
with carson we are behind the times
January 21st, 2013 at 10:49 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Though some dispute it, I believe the lines are the most important element of a team.
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By most professional accounts, this is a better draft for TRENCHMEN, that “skill position guys”.
Build the trenches during this bountiful draft.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:52 am
Some of you Semi’s who want the org to spend money on skill guys, get those in FA, as you wont have the rook learning curve, although rooks now are coming in “Pro Ready”.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:53 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:41 am
Though some dispute it, I believe the lines are the most important element of a team.
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100% correct. Look at SF across the bay. They are solid on both sides of the lines and they are in the SB. The year we went to the SB, we had the best Oline in the league…well until Robbins decided to go to TJ.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:53 am
Olsen allen big mack what are you going to do? What kind of offense will you run? based on your current personnel?>
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whats going on? I personally have ZERO faith in this org.
Reg, and DA are clowns IMO, and should not be taken serious, when it comes to the NATION winning.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:55 am
Thec Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:53 am
Olsen allen big mack what are you going to do? What kind of offense will you run?
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Something that will be easy to defend and shut down….
January 21st, 2013 at 10:55 am
46 super bowls have been played mystic 45 won by a white qb nuff said
January 21st, 2013 at 10:57 am
00tt00 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:25 am
bryant and Biluki are not starting DT’s…fine for the rotation but not starters…..thats why kelley with all his flaws is the starter……..kelley…when he wants to play is disruptive…thats what we need at DT….if we stay at 3 STAR is the guy
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“IF” star can give me that blast up the middle during passing downs, and disrupt the QB from stepping up in the pocket, they I am Ok…
I would prefer the best pass rusher in the land, however, trench is trech.
We may be in the clowney sweepstakes anyway.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:59 am
Ngata? How’d his team do this year? Star won’t have a huge impact. The talent at the top of the board that fits our needs most is pass rusher, if they decide not to bring back carter. But he was inserted into the starting lineup at the end when the defense played so much better. But a pass rushing RDE would seem to be a perfect match. Bryant definitely IS starting material. He started the 2nd half of the season. Bilukidi, if u aren’t totally clueless, looks like a steal. Big, strong, and quick. Good motor. Those two are cheap and solid. And Bilukidi might be more than solid in a hurry.
The defense’s biggest holes, beyond deciding on RDE, are MLB and CB.
The offense needs one more OL. Veldheer and wiz we all like. Brisiel WAS starting for Houston, so there goes that theory. Bergstrom will take over for Carlisle (the original plan) or Barnes (he spent most of the season working on the right side and with a new scheme, the former T may fit there). Joekel is a LT and I’m sorry but they ain’t moving veldheer. Warmack would be a perfect fit at LG if we trade down.
QB is another possibility if Reggie decides he loves a guy but it’s more likely to be a lower round prospect.
As I said,
Warmack or Milliner if we trade down are perfect fits at big needs and they would solidify units that aren’t far away.
RDE or maybe QB if we stay at 3.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am
At least when Hue was coach we had some probowl selections comeing out of Oakland.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am
SAY NO TO GENO!
TRADE BACK FOR WARMACK!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:04 am
Go back in the time machine and see who had Christo as being the “sleeper pick”…. While most of the Semi’s were sleep at the switch…
Christo, was the best value pick, steal of the draft…Called that draft day uno.
nothing new here…
January 21st, 2013 at 11:06 am
Missdick–man dude. U are seriously a broken record. And no one is buying. Can’t u find another subject? Is pistol/new wave ur ONLY interest in football? And why the continuing sales job? Who are u trying to convince?
Happy MLK day!
I wrote u a post last night. Hope u saw it.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:07 am
Dr Robert
With all due respect, Ngata’s team is in the SuperBowl.
DT is the HEART of your defensive line.
Bryant, Bilikidi are good 3 and 4 guys in a four man rotation.
Kelly is a number 3 or four as well.
We have a huge need at DT and DE.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”
January 21st, 2013 at 11:11 am
rediaR Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am
SAY NO TO GENO!
TRADE BACK FOR WARMACK!
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Start building a “Dominate” D.Starts up front with the trench….
January 21st, 2013 at 11:11 am
lol
watching the sport shows this moring is like watching a funeral!!!
lamenting that brady and manning are gone. Not only because they are dead this season, but their kind of football has also been buried.
The wave of the future has its finger prints all over the shovel.
If kappy wins the superbowl with this offense, the scrutiny on the qb in oakland will only intensify.
Funny but without newtons success last year we would not be seeing kap in the superbowl now.
In affect newton did what i predicted
HE HAS REVOLUTIONIZED THE QB POSITION AND OFFENSIVE FOOTBALL!!!!
pryor is on deck and cant wait to see what offense geno smith ends up in as well
the cat is out of the bag
January 21st, 2013 at 11:15 am
Mingo, Warmack and Te’o (Te’o being a Chubbs pick) at 3rd overall is far reach if you ask me!
Drafting the best player available overall would be more ideal.
Now if the opportunity presents itself (Luke Joeckel) during the draft…then yes, trade down.
If you ask me, draft the Germanator!!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:16 am
Many argue Warmack is the best player in the draft so the argument there is whether you think guard is important enough.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am
Another boring day in Raiderland, waiting for the announcement of which DE the team drafts at #3
January 21st, 2013 at 11:17 am
Of course there is a segment of the board that wishes I wouldnt talk about qbs.
THERE IS NO MORE IMPORATANT TOPIC IN FOOTBALL OR IN RAIDERLAND AS WE HAVE A STARTING QB THAT COULDNT LEAD FLIES TO SHID!!!
We have a dynamic young qb that needs the ball now.
Besides I have predicted wilson rgIII and newton, i have predicted carsons failure.
I have predicted the hybrid offense crushing the nfl
the way i see it this single issue is the most exciting story ion sports and the key to making our own raiders competitive over night.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:18 am
Mistic
The Chicago Bears ran a run first/pass second offense back in the early seventies with Bobby Douglass who was 6’4” 225.
It was exactly what some on the blog call “innovative”. Nothing new. Seen it many times before.
A QB is always running for his life IN THE NFL.
That is why a steady diet of it does NOT work.
If a QB cannot pass very effectively in the NFL he is rather useless.
That is why guys like JC Watts, Jack Mildren, Steve Davis and Thomas Lott were never effective NFL QB’s.
Works great at Oklahoma, not in the NFL.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:19 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:14 am
London Fletcher & Daryl Washington are ready to knock the fat receiver (wearing #45) back 5 yards
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WTF is wrong with you people…smdh….
January 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am
The Giants won the Super Bowl last year with the 31st ranked run game.
The Packers won their Super Bowl while almost ignoring their run game at will.
The Saints won the Super Bowl with a worn-out Deuce McCallister.
Quit making things up. You don’t NEED any one thing to win the SB. Other than a top QB.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:22 am
God I would hate my life if I was Misdick. Must be so miserable, especially knowing Palmer WILL be our starter next year.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:23 am
Palmer will be the starter. Doesn’t mean he will be good.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am
Mistic
I hope Pryor continues to develop but he must be able to throw well to survive.
Pryor will be a solid number two next year as we continue to build our line play.
In 2014 who knows?
Our biggest priorities for the next two drafts are to rebuild our lines.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am
lol at Mistic “predicting” Newton and RGIII.
Only the #1 overall and #2 overall picks in drafts.
What an eye for talent Mistic has!!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am
Missdick–I have shocking news for u buddy. U didn’t discover anyone. Newton and Griffin? #1 picks in the draft. THEY did the revolutionizing, along with coaches who helped them succeed. Wilson and kaepernick? 2nd and 3rd rounders. A short guy and a guy from Nevada. In high rounds. Not secrets.
Ur pretending u predicted their success. Their high draft status pretty much tells u lots of people were high on them.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:25 am
Palmer will suck and the only hope of a good season is if DMac can gain probowl form. Possible if Reggie upgrades the O-line, otherwise it’s another rebuilding year
January 21st, 2013 at 11:27 am
We haven’t had a rebuilding year yet. Last year was a demolition year.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:27 am
Charlie Says:
Our biggest priorities for the next two drafts are to DRAFT IMPACT SKILL PLAYERS AND D PLAYERS.
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there, fixed it for you. Raider O-line by scouts and metric measurement was solid last year, believe it or not. Few sacks given up, every non D-Mac RB ran well…
Raiders D-line LED THE LEAGUE IN SACKS a few years ago.
Didn’t matter with zero stars on O.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:27 am
It begs the question really, if you are such an offensive genius and a QB guru, why the hell are you on this blog? Surely SOME team in college or the NFL could make use of your brilliant eye for talent, and your miraculous ability to predict the future.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am
Alex
Interesting but I would argue that people in Atlanta and NE might be skeptical of that assessment.
Falcons passed for 396 yards (versus SF 224 yards) AND LOST THE GAME!
The Pats passed for 320 yards (versus Ravens 235) AND LOST THE GAME.
I think you need to be balanced. Individual stats can be very misleading especially when they are adulterated when playing weak teams during the regular season.
Build the lines so you can also run the ball and play defense and the wins will follow.
Olines create time and space.
Dlines destroy time and space.
NO QB WILL SUCCEED WITHOUT TIME AND SPACE TO WORK IN A ONE DIMENSIONAL OFFENSE.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am
What is annoying is ur sameness of message. It drones on day after day. U have said the EXACT same thing about ten thousand times. Aren’t u tired if hearing urself yet? Cuz we are.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:29 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:18 am
Mistic
The Chicago Bears ran a run first/pass second offense back in the early seventies with Bobby Douglass who was 6’4” 225.
It was exactly what some on the blog call “innovative”. Nothing new. Seen it many times before.
A QB is always running for his life IN THE NFL.
That is why a steady diet of it does NOT work.
If a QB cannot pass very effectively in the NFL he is rather useless.
That is why guys like JC Watts, Jack Mildren, Steve Davis and Thomas Lott were never effective NFL QB’s.
Works great at Oklahoma, not in the NFL.
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with all due respect
bobby douglass was slow as molasses and couldnt throw to save his life
second you must not understand the hybrid offense it isnt about having a qb run the ball every snap or even mosty snaps. It is about having the threat of the qb running on ever play but in reality he only runs very few times by design. this does note include scrambles.
this is new never seen before in the nfl
the only guys that qualify as people from the past that could have been compared to kappy newton and rgIII would be guys like cunningham and kordell.
Unfortunately they played at a time when the nfl did not build offense for athletic qbs in stead they forced them into schemse that left out there running ability all together.
LOL at bobby douglass, he is maybe on par with tebow
January 21st, 2013 at 11:29 am
SR
DMac did very well in 2011 with similar O-linemen. He doesn’t need an upgraded O-line to succeed.
Reese and Stewart ran the ball extremely well with these O-line guys.
What we need are WRs that can score TDs like Julio, and a back 7 on D that can actually make some plays.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:31 am
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am
Individual stats can be very misleading especially when they are adulterated when playing weak teams during the regular season.
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But Carson threw for over 4000 yards. And threw for over 4000 yards. Over 4000 yards. 14 games. 4000 yards. 4000. YARDS!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:32 am
YO YO YO THE BEEEECH DAWG LIVIN’ THE HIGH LIFE
As in, totally baked on skunk weed
Still chillin’ at the Catamaran down San Diego way, Bras. Had a super dopey-dope party weekend with Rasta Ganja rocking the upscale seafood restaurant, our team taking 1st place in the beach volleyball tourney and, of course, the Beeeech Lawg seeing the inside of 17 lady’s va-jay-jays (and counting, holla)
Now we’re just chillin’ poolside, waitin’ to see how many MILFs show up ready to party and get silly
Don’t worry, my fanny pack is stuffed with Magnums and granola bars
So what did you losers do this weekend? I could use a good laugh
WRECKS STILL N FULL EFFECT, WIZZLE WIZZLE FRESH
January 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Charlie, you’re focusing on 2 games yesterday, 1 that could have gone either way.
The proof is in the SUPER BOWL TROPHIES of the
Giants (31st-ranked run game last year)
Packers (no run game),
Saints (no run game),
Colts (had Dominic Rhodes lead them in rushing!)
Obviously if you can have a DOMINANT passing AND running game, duh, of course. But if you have to choose to draft/develop one area for a QUICK franchise turnaround, you go QB/WR.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Bcz24 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:27 am
It begs the question really, if you are such an offensive genius and a QB guru, why the hell are you on this blog?
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I never made those claims i only an astute fan that has thought all along this would work if it was ever given a chance.
The nfl was slow to move on this because they have a certain image they want to portray.
They first resisted black players, then they resisted black qbs, and coaches.
Today black coaches are still rare like unicorns and there are 0 black owners.
the nfl is an old boys network
they now realize they can win and sell tickets by letting black qbs play and building offense around them
it only took 93 years and we are watching history
January 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Happy MLK day to everyone. While I won’t call any man great (only one if those), he was a good Christian man who did some great things. He realized that preaching peace and loving ur neighbor were powerful tools that would change the country.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am
Alex
First “a few years ago” means NOTHING!!!
Second, Oline and Dline stats padded with games against weak teams mean nothing.
We get dominated by good teams!!!!
LAST YEAR AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS WE WERE 0-5 LOSING ON AVERAGE 35-14.
We do not have the talent to compete against good teams ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
We are 9-51 against playoff teams over the last ten years with seven different coaching staffs losing on average by a score of 30-13.
What are you watching?
January 21st, 2013 at 11:37 am
my psychic powers are telling me what you’ll hear in here tomorrow
-cam newton, russell wilson, rgIII, kaepernick are the wave of the future
-but what about luck, rodgers etc. you racist!
-who said anything about race you race baiter
-black people can’t be racist
January 21st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Charlie, honestly, really? Are you really saying there is NOTHING TO LEARN from recent history? And then you list our record and struggles the last few years?
That’s so moronic bud.
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:34 am
Alex
First “a few years ago” means NOTHING!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:24 am
lol at Mistic “predicting” Newton and RGIII.
Only the #1 overall and #2 overall picks in drafts.
What an eye for talent Mistic has!!
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yep
I told you about griffin when he was a freshman
AND THE VERY FIRST TIME I MENTIONED HIS NAME ON MY COLLEGE QB WATCHLIST 99.9% OF THIS BOARD WROTE HIM OFF AS AN ATHLETE THAT COULDNT READ A DEFENSE OR RUN AN NFL OFFENSE!!!!
even though they had never seen him play. people changed theier tune just in time for his hiesman trophy.
I was aware of rgIII even before the so ccalled media experts.
Same with newton i told you about him after his very first start at auburn and its all in the archive
dont be upset because i knew before you
January 21st, 2013 at 11:38 am
well said Dr. Robert
amazing that Biblical principles still resonate thousands of years later. God seems to have a keen understanding of human nature
January 21st, 2013 at 11:39 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:33 am
Happy MLK day to everyone. While I won’t call any man great (only one if those), he was a good Christian man who did some great things. He realized that preaching peace and loving ur neighbor were powerful tools that would change the country.
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only it didnt change much he caught a bullet to the throat as a reward.
race murders still happen like the one in missipi last week
January 21st, 2013 at 11:39 am
beeechdawg what up love the catamaran fcking awesome i lived PB for 5 years SD is the schit what part of SD do u live in if u dont mind
January 21st, 2013 at 11:40 am
scam newton sucks its painfully obvious
January 21st, 2013 at 11:42 am
charlie
where’s your proof that we’re being dominated MORE on the O and D lines than, say…
at WR
at LB
at S
at CB
at RB
at KR
at PR
Ask the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Browns how much those Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Branden Albert investments are helping without a legit QB.
we need to build EVERYWHERE, but the O-line is FAR from the weakest point on this team.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:43 am
Alex
We get pummelled by good teams. 9-51 over the last ten years!!!!
I have said you need to be able to pass AND run AND play defense to win playoff football.
You do that by building both lines.
To think we are a QB and WR away form the playoffs is not likely given our futility against good teams over a decade with seven different coaching staffs.
Our problem is a bit bigger that you seem to want to accept.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
He was scared shtlss at a crucial point in the game and folded.
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We got it, you got an agenda against Matt Ryan.
You said they would have a better chance to win with Dominque Davis, lol.
I don’t know about “folding”, he took the team 70 yards with the Super Bowl on the line against the #2 ranked defense, and came up 10 yards short of the Super Bowl.
That’s a great place to pick up on next year, and I am sure he will be right in the same spot again in the 2013 playoffs.
He is the best of the rest in the NFL at QB.
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Translation: You were right and I was wrong. You own me!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am
mistic
Cam Newton was recruited by Florida out of HS, was an All-American honorable mention at JC, and was the #1 HS/JC prospect in the entire nation by Rivals.com upon arriving at Auburn.
He wasn’t exactly a secret.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:47 am
Ray Lewis made the point best:
Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”
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the raven years between siragusa and ngata were ray lewis worst years
and yes….we need a rush DE too….but if they are double teaming the DT everybody on the DL will look better
January 21st, 2013 at 11:47 am
innwonturd,
you are right i will continue to pound this home until palmer is out of here
I knew grad would suck i knew palmer would stink you worshiped both of them tirelessly
now you want me to dial it down???!?!?!?!
FUGG THAT!!!!!
We need a qb and anew offense that is how you in in todays nfl
look what luck rgIII wilson and newton have done
3 stepped right in and boom instant playoffs
newton improved the team wins two years straight
beside you told us the palmer was supposed to do what those other qbs i mentioned did
you said he was an instant upgrade just add water and playoffs.
it has not and will not ever happen
get over it
January 21st, 2013 at 11:47 am
How about drafting Star and picking up Cliff Arvil, Freeney or Osi Umenyiora in free agency? BOOM…INSTANT UPGRADE!
Also sign Jake Long, Dwayne Bowe and Jennings!
And then…I wake up!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:48 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 am
What is annoying is ur sameness of message. It drones on day after day. U have said the EXACT same thing about ten thousand times. Aren’t u tired if hearing urself yet? Cuz we are.
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Translation: You were right and I was wrong. You own me!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:48 am
Alex
I believe that the Dline is weakest unit on the Raiders today.
I believe however that the Oline is the most important part of your team. With a great Oline you keep the ball more automatically helping your defense.
That is especially true in trying to keep Peyton off the field.
The simple reality is that we can not compete against playoff caliber teams. 9-51 over ten years.
This is my assessment of our lines today.
Please understand injuries are a big consideration as we move forward.
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old and becoming very injury prone. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year. Perhaps he can rebound after ankle injury and offseason surgery.
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 34.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise and are legit NFL starters. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Charlie
again, if you NEED to be able to pass AND RUN…
Giants won SB w/ 31st-ranked run game
Packers won SB w/ zero run game
Saints won SB with after-thought run game
the facts don’t support your claim.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am
mistic
Cam Newton was recruited by Florida out of HS, was an All-American honorable mention at JC, and was the #1 HS/JC prospect in the entire nation by Rivals.com upon arriving at Auburn.
He wasn’t exactly a secret.
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alex
read the archive
when i told this board about him most had no clue who he was athen as the season went on he
‘cant read the defense’ he is ’spread gimick qb” he is
‘an athlete not a qb” he is ‘run first’ and ‘wont play in the nfl”
sorry alex you heard it here first as far as this board goes
January 21st, 2013 at 11:49 am
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am
mistic
Cam Newton was recruited by Florida out of HS, was an All-American honorable mention at JC, and was the #1 HS/JC prospect in the entire nation by Rivals.com upon arriving at Auburn.
He wasn’t exactly a secret.
@”@@@@@@@@@@@@
As an NFL superstar?? Yes he was.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:50 am
RediaR Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:16 am
Many argue Warmack is the best player in the draft so the argument there is whether you think guard is important enough.
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it is…..if you didnt have such a glaring need for DT, DE and CB
January 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am
#483 recalled.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:51 am
RaiderDebo Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:27 am
He was scared shtlss at a crucial point in the game and folded.
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We got it, you got an agenda against Matt Ryan.
You said they would have a better chance to win with Dominque Davis, lol.
I don’t know about “folding”, he took the team 70 yards with the Super Bowl on the line against the #2 ranked defense, and came up 10 yards short of the Super Bowl.
That’s a great place to pick up on next year, and I am sure he will be right in the same spot again in the 2013 playoffs.
He is the best of the rest in the NFL at QB.
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Translation: You were right and I was wrong. You own me!=====================
lol
you did call that one
and jfb should never post on qbs ever again
lol at grad fans and the heart of a lion club
January 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am
I agree we’re weak at O-line, D-line, and honestly everywher.
I’ll just disagree on O-line being more important than QB/WR combo.
49ers had MONSTER O-line already in tact with Singletary as coach.
It wasn’t until Alex Smith started playing better that they went from last place to 1st place.
Dolphins, Chiefs, and Browns also have MANY 1st round picks invested in O-line but no solid QB play.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:52 am
ian85 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:39 am
beeechdawg what up love the catamaran fcking awesome i lived PB for 5 years SD is the schit what part of SD do u live in if u dont mind
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Brah, I live in Marina Del Rey at the Ritz
But my island smooth reggae band Rasta Ganja plays SD all the time and we always crash at the Cat. Spend 5 hours a day minimum at Moray’s gettin’ faded
Yo, tonight we’re gonna get hella wasted on Mike’s Tais at Saska’s. Probably get hella IRIE in the parking lot first
January 21st, 2013 at 11:53 am
cam newton is 13 and 19 as a starter and he will never surpass drew brees and matt ryan in that divison as long as the two faaaarrr superior QBS r in that division scam is fcked and gonna be taking last place every year sorry debo and mystic thats the factsur superstar is a fraud
January 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am
Watching good teams play yesterday emphasizes just far the Raiders are from being competitive.
We need players and lots of them. Three good drafts and some good luck too.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am
what’s good nation
January 21st, 2013 at 11:55 am
Missdick–I thought u claimed never to talk skin color. It was all in our heads. But u sure are talking black today. It’s usually “athletic”.
It took 93 years? If ur talking about black qb’s, that’s about 35 years late. If ur talking about the pistol, it was only invented a few years ago by Chris Ault, a white guy. It took some time for it to spread thru college and now pro. It’s a good offense. It combines shotgun with old school 2-rb backfields. Lots of options. But it only took a few years, not 93.
As for running qb’s, the old triple option was defeated a LONG time ago in the nfl. And hence the reticence to go with any sort of option in the nfl.
Black owners? That’s up to them pal.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:55 am
drew brees and matt ryan OWN scam newton
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Twocents Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am
Watching good teams play yesterday emphasizes just far the Raiders are from being competitive.
We need players and lots of them. Three good drafts and some good luck too.
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you missed the part about good coaches….we dont have any of those yet either
we are the jacksonville jaguars of the west
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Mistic
Cam = Superstar?
Based on wins or production? Or just brand recognition? Because he has a really bad losing record. He regressed as a passer last year.
Pump the brakes on the superstar NFL QB bit.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Baltimore has better Secondary, better, Linebacking, better Dline , better Oline, better TE, better receivers, a RB who doesn’t go down first contact than us, but we have just as good a passer, guess where people want to make the changes? at the QB position lol, not where we really lack skills at, yeah let’s change the qb because he’s not black lol
January 21st, 2013 at 11:57 am
Cam Newton is the 4th-best QB in his 4-team division.
You can value wins or performance. Either way he’s 4th.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:57 am
It wasn’t until Alex Smith started playing better that they went from last place to 1st place.
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and alex smith didnt start playing better until he got good coaches
January 21st, 2013 at 11:57 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
now you want me to dial it down???!?!?!?!
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Oh, he11 no!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:58 am
good for you Reese.. told these goobers schmitt couldnt carry your jock.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
M1st1c is an idiot, but he would make for awesome Agent for this black qb’s, imagine how the talk for contract would go down between and the interested team, My qb is wave of the future, he needs to be paid the highest money for any qb paid, he went 12-20 his last two years and still improving, HAHAHAHAH
January 21st, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Otto
I’ll vouch for that. QB, WR, coaching are all more vital to winning than high 1st-round O-linemen.
Check with the Chiefs, Dolphins, and Browns.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
M1st1c is def a mod (whiners fan), rem how he came at the same time the blog is doing good and everyone is talking Raiders football, n then it pissed the mod off, n here comes m1st1c lOL
January 21st, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Wow good morning racist nation..
January 21st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:55 am
Missdick–I thought u claimed never to talk skin color. It was all in our heads. But u sure are talking black today. It’s usually “athletic”.
It took 93 years?
Black owners? That’s up to them pal.
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you arent supposed to understand your little racist mind isnt able to comprehend
no black owners is on who?
it is an exlusive club in sports owner ship and they simply dont want any black men in that position.
you no that any ownership group has to be APPROVED by the owners that already exist dont you?
shut the fugg up
January 21st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
OLine is mostly coaching, you can have first rounders at Oline all you want, but if you got G Knapp as your OC and Pollack as ur line coach, you ain’t going far, Wylie did an awesome with our line, and none of our lineman was a first rd pick, can’t say the same about Dline, you can coach em upto to stop the run game , but hard to coach a guy who never had a sack in his career into double digit sack artist
January 21st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Mistic
Cam = Superstar?
Based on wins or production? Or just brand recognition? Because he has a really bad losing record. He regressed as a passer last year.
Pump the brakes on the superstar NFL QB bit.
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regressed how exactly?
more passing tds than last year, fewer ints than last year and more wins
HE HAS PASSED FRO MORE YARDS THAN ANY QB OVER THIER FIRST TWO SEASONS IN HISTORY AND DONE THE SAME THING FOR RUSHING YARDS AND TDS
LMAO!!!!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:55 am
Missdick–I thought u claimed never to talk skin color. It was all in our heads. But u sure are talking black today. It’s usually “athletic”.
It took 93 years?
Black owners? That’s up to them pal.
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you arent supposed to understand your little racist mind isnt able to comprehend
no black owners is on who?
it is an exlusive club in sports owner ship and they simply dont want any black men in that position.
you no that any ownership group has to be APPROVED by the owners that already exist dont you?
shut the fugg up
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Seriously guys just shut the fugg up, leave m1st1c alone with his wave of future
January 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
well said McFadden20
January 21st, 2013 at 12:06 pm
newton is def no superstar not even close NFL figured him out this year passing dropped big time from last year drew brees and matt ryan OWN scam and the NFC south and will for many years to come
January 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
It seems missdick is in love with black qb’s and debo is in love with missdick.
Debo– nice try. Name ONE thing I’ve been wrong about. Can’t do it. But missdick has been wrong on countless qb’s. he predicts greatness for all of them. If they do well, he predicted it. If they fail, it’s cuz racist idiot coaches didn’t treat them fairly.
Missdick is as repetitive and logic-proof as beech. Weird really.
Missdick quoted Star Trek yesterday. A black Trekkie. I bet I know his favorite starship officer.
Cam newton was the #1 pick in the draft and he was asurprise star? C’mon.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
umm, well said on the O-line is mostly coaching.
not the nonsense cussing post.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Twocents Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:54 am
Watching good teams play yesterday emphasizes just far the Raiders are from being competitive.
We need players and lots of them. Three good drafts and some good luck too.
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disagree
give pryor the keys and witness and instant upgrade
we will be much better with a real qb instead of that loser palmer
we will improve our win total
January 21st, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Same thing with Qb’s if you draft a loser like C Newton, worlds best coaching can’t get anything out of him 12-20 and counting, skill positions either have those players who got skills or they don’t coaching can’t do sh1t, the Oline coach makes the most difference on the team, rest you have to draft good players at those positions
January 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Missdick thinks continually “pounding home the message” in here will have an effect on the raiders. U really need to get out more.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Newton regressed in TDs, yards, and completion percentage.
He started the season 2-8.
regression arguement is valid.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Name ONE thing I’ve been wrong about.
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simple
yesterday you said kappy and the hybrid offense would lose to matt ryan because ryan was a pure droop back qb
I could go on but your simply too boring to care about
January 21st, 2013 at 12:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
It seems missdick is in love with black qb’s and debo is in love with missdick.
Debo– nice try. Name ONE thing I’ve been wrong about. Can’t do it. But missdick has been wrong on countless qb’s. he predicts greatness for all of them. If they do well, he predicted it. If they fail, it’s cuz racist idiot coaches didn’t treat them fairly.
Missdick is as repetitive and logic-proof as beech. Weird really.
Missdick quoted Star Trek yesterday. A black Trekkie. I bet I know his favorite starship officer.
Cam newton was the #1 pick in the draft and he was asurprise star? C’mon.
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Jus let it go man, make this your last post about him, don’t mention him in way at all, there’s no point, 2 years n counting,how much more longer you want to go ? Palmer will still start n we will get the last laugh, ahahahahahha
January 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Newton regressed in TDs, yards, and completion percentage.
He started the season 2-8.
regression arguement is valid.
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I ask you too politely to let it go, no point at all
January 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
you’d think when someone calls you racist nation that it might embarrass you a little and maybe you’d cut it out. talk football or something.. nope not here
January 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Here’s a supposed black man who says MLK. And the civil rights movement “didn’t change much” cuz there are still some racially motivated murders.
What a slap in the face of all the people who struggled for the advances we have.
Missdick revels in hate and denial. I feel bad for him.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:13 pm
So alex7 back to football, if we had all the picks in each round, how would you go out about it and what type of players would u pick up?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Niners are in the SB because they have great lines, both on offense and on defense. Oakland badly needs upgrades at C, RT, DE, LB and CB. QB/WR will probably have to wait another year unless Reggie can pull out something special in free agency or the draft.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Here’s a supposed black man who says MLK. And the civil rights movement “didn’t change much” cuz there are still some racially motivated murders.
What a slap in the face of all the people who struggled for the advances we have.
Missdick revels in hate and denial. I feel bad for him.
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That’s why the better option always was and always is to ignore the idiots, you can’t do anything else, just ignore, baby
January 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Newton regressed in TDs, yards, and completion percentage.
He started the season 2-8.
regression arguement is valid.
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not really
less passing attempts but he improved his td to int ratio and win total
by all accounts outside of this board cam newton showed major improvement over the last half of the season and has taken the next step forward.
a simple internet search will confirm this
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/12/18/3734393/film-shows-why-carolina-panthers.html
January 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Missdick–ur a LIAR. post the comment I said about kaepernick and the hybrid offense losing to Ryan cuz he was a drop back passer. Ur completely making thi his up. Are u that confused?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:16 pm
fun topic mcfadden. let me put 5 minutes of thought into it.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Marks hair Says:
you’d think when someone calls you racist nation that it might embarrass you a little and maybe you’d cut it out. talk football or something.. nope not here
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Oh he11 no! Wait, didn’t I just say that?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:16 pm
it’s easy to “improve” last half of the season when all the pressure of winning games is off.
Why I’m not sold on Raiders D “improvements”.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
SR Raider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Niners are in the SB because they have great lines, both on offense and on defense. Oakland badly needs upgrades at C, RT, DE, LB and CB. QB/WR will probably have to wait another year unless Reggie can pull out something special in free agency or the draft.
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with all the needs all over the team , especially on the D side, we need to work on D, O is more easier to fix, and can be done next year with a much better draft class and #1 FA wr
January 21st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Baltimore beat us 55-20 this year. Game over mid way through the 2nd quarter.
Ngata and Lewis did not even play.
Ngata yukking it up on sidelines while riding exercise bike.
We got pummelled on the lines.
Unfortunately 9-51 against playoff teams for the past ten years losing by an average of 30-13 says it all regarding the gap in talent we have RELATIVE TO GOOD NFL TEAMS. QB is the least of your problems when the issue is this bad for this long.
Even Collins left Oakland and got the Titans into the playoffs.
No coach will make a significant difference till the talent gap gets closed and it starts with the lines.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
of course you can improve skill positions I seen running backs learn how to follow blocks and stop fumbling. I’ve seen quarterbacks improve their accuracy and arm strength not to mention their complete understanding of the game. I’ve seen wide receivers vastly improved between yr 1,2&3… that’s why you look for guys who are coachable. That’s why they invented the word coachable.. ever see game tape of Rich Gannon play college football?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Missdick–ur a LIAR. post the comment I said about kaepernick and the hybrid offense losing to Ryan cuz he was a drop back passer. Ur completely making thi his up. Are u that confused?
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Been making stuff up for 2years n counting, constantly lying, same old repeated posts n u still argue with him?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:18 pm
SR Raider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Niners are in the SB because they have great lines, both on offense and on defense.
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not really
they have very good lines but that isnt what made the difference yesterday or in gb
look no further than the wave of the future for the reason they are in the supebowl
smith had the same lines last year and what happened.
nope number 7 is the reason
January 21st, 2013 at 12:19 pm
dr slob
did you or did you not say that kappy wasnt going to win?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Glad to see Regginald is getting himself a boss…
The interviews for a team President give me the most hope of any off season actions yet…
Of course, Mark SHOULD have hired a Pres before he hired a GM…learning on the job i guess.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Ur right mcf20. I tried with the guy. I think his hate owns him too much. He’s unreachable. Unreachable. And a total liar. What’s really sad is that he doesn’t even have respect for black people who do good things. He’s completely consumed by evil and hatred.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:17 pm
of course you can improve skill positions I seen running backs learn how to follow blocks and stop fumbling. I’ve seen quarterbacks improve their accuracy and arm strength not to mention their complete understanding of the game. I’ve seen wide receivers vastly improved between yr 1,2&3… that’s why you look for guys who are coachable. That’s why they invented the word coachable.. ever see game tape of Rich Gannon play college football?
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Yah i know u can coach em up, but you can’t coach em like Oline where you can turn a whole ragtag group into one solid group, there’s a reason our DHB has not turned a corner, he came into the league with many flaws and most of them are still there, you think coaching didn’t try to teach him, yes you can turn a rb into a better blocker and tell him to follow the lead blocker, but you can’t coach vision, you couldn’t do that to Mcfadden, who’s only been a north/south runner all his life
January 21st, 2013 at 12:22 pm
00tt00 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:50 am
RediaR Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:16 am
Many argue Warmack is the best player in the draft so the argument there is whether you think guard is important enough.
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it is…..if you didnt have such a glaring need for DT, DE and CB
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In other words, you don’t think it is. I don’t expect much from this team next year so I just want the best players we can get. Lets be honest, if we get to 7 wins we will be uncorking champagne. I know we need a true impact player on defense so I am all for taking one if one is there. I’m just not convinced any of these defensive players at the head of the draft are such a player. Well maybe Milner.
I guess lets just see how free agency goes.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Ur right mcf20. I tried with the guy. I think his hate owns him too much. He’s unreachable. Unreachable. And a total liar. What’s really sad is that he doesn’t even have respect for black people who do good things. He’s completely consumed by evil and hatred.
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Yes, thats why i’m asking you to not participate in his BS, and don’t be tempted to try to reply to him, i know it’s hard to do , but he has mastered that skill where he will lure u into replying by saying something ridiculous every single time
January 21st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
It think amys getting a boss too.. we need somebody that’s not just a token female. somebody who can actually get a stadium deal done.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Missdick–I made no prediction. Early on, when it looked dire for the niners, I said his inexperience might be hard to overcome compared to Ryan. But he and his team did it.
But u lied. U always do that. U said I was a racist and I said something that I didn’t say.
It’s unfortunately part of ur MO.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Glad to see Regginald is getting himself a boss…
The interviews for a team President give me the most hope of any off season actions yet…
Of course, Mark SHOULD have hired a Pres before he hired a GM…learning on the job i guess.
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mark didnt know he needed a pres…..he hired a GM and then said…oh crap….some folks are still asking ME questions….so he had to figure out how to get rid of that too…..once you reduce it to sitting in the box suite watching the game he’ll be good
January 21st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
alright i asked Rob to help the blog and ignore him, i guess he won’t, we’ll just have to scroll past long posts of mistiks for another hour or so
January 21st, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Alex
I understand what you are saying about Super Bowls and the emphasis on passing.The vast majority of those games are played in a dome or in great weather.
The reality is you have got to win in bad weather conditions especially late in the season if you are going to even get to the playoffs. Northeastern playoff teams ALL HAVE THAT ABILITY.
Being one dimensional will kill you.
To consistently win in the NFL you have to run and pass and play defense.
In the one super bowl played in inclement weather the Colts ran for 191 and passed for 239 yards. Lokks pretty balanced to me.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Tony Gonzalez to retire, sure fire Hall of Famer?
January 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Yo, takin’ a break from the Catamaran pool for a dope bubble bath in the suite
Probably hop into a plush robe and drink a few Pina Coladas while me and the Rasta Ganja Krew watch the Bodyguard on cable
This soundtrack rocks
January 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
well the only point I agree on is that you can’t coach vision. of course with better coaching and a better understanding of football you do have a better idea where to look.. players have limitations but I don’t ever make excuses for bad coaching.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Missdick–u selectively ignore anything that disproves ur rant.
Did u see where I said kaepernick is my fav player in the Super Bowl and I’m rooting for him? I’m sure u will ignore this too.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Mcf20–lol. Ok. I’ll try.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
We are still $ 5 mill over the cap.
Most of the roster changes will be with rookies or inexpensive free agents.
Guys like Bey AND Kelly may be gone unless they restructure. Those two do not play up to their salries. Not even close.
McClain and Seymour are gone.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:28 pm
well the only point I agree on is that you can’t coach vision. of course with better coaching and a better understanding of football you do have a better idea where to look.. players have limitations but I don’t ever make excuses for bad coaching.
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Yup, but the point is look at any superbowl winner, they would have 1 thing in common , they would have a former first rounder or their D, made up of high draft picks leading the way, you need to hit on your top picks, it’s not a rocket science, you can only coach so many late rounders into good players
January 21st, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Tony Gonzalez is probably the best tight end of all time
January 21st, 2013 at 12:35 pm
but when it comes to Oline, you can see many times good Olines with out any high draft pick
January 21st, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Im out
dr slob and macbuttplug 20 are being bitgh slapped by the wave of the future and their palmer worship is an anchor dragging them to the bottom
LMAO!!!!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Tony Gonzalez is probably the best tight end of all time
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yeah top 3 for sure
January 21st, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Tony G is sure fire HOF. Classy dude as well.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Did u see where I said kaepernick is my fav player in the Super Bowl and I’m rooting for him? I’m sure u will ignore this too.
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He does throw a damn good ball, most of the time.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Mark FINALLY looking for a President of OPS. is still a head scratcher…it’s like he had NO idea of what he needed to do when he took over and had NO plan in place to do it…the series of mistakes since Al passed are comical. the 2 picks for Carson was just the start of a number of important decisions he’s fumbled…Hope this hire goes better than the rest.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Charlie Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
We are still $ 5 mill over the cap.
Most of the roster changes will be with rookies or inexpensive free agents.
Guys like Bey AND Kelly may be gone unless they restructure. Those two do not play up to their salries. Not even close.
McClain and Seymour are gone.
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If we are still $5M over, than bet Kelly is gone, Huff is gone, Palmer will restructure, DHB will restructure, TOllefson will be gone, We won’t be able to afford a decent DT, no decent DE, so we will look towards draft for that
January 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Missdick–lol! I said u would ignore my actual posts and go with ur lies. And u did on cue! Hilarious. Liars and cowards are always predictable.
I’m being “owned” by a defense I’ve not only ever been against, but run myself on my team.
I’m being “owned” by a qb I have stated is my fav player in the Super Bowl and have never said a word against.
Missdick is a liar they and thru. Pathetic.
Ok mcf20–that’s my last post with this guy. I can’t deal with liars. He’s officially in the beech/ignore zone.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:41 pm
We must get back into the 2nd rd somehow….We could trade down and get Warmack….then take DJ Flucker in the 2nd…..Right side solid for years….
January 21st, 2013 at 12:43 pm
561. I agree with you there..
January 21st, 2013 at 12:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Missdick–lol! I said u would ignore my actual posts and go with ur lies. And u did on cue! Hilarious. Liars and cowards are always predictable.
I’m being “owned” by a defense I’ve not only ever been against, but run myself on my team.
I’m being “owned” by a qb I have stated is my fav player in the Super Bowl and have never said a word against.
Missdick is a liar they and thru. Pathetic.
Ok mcf20–that’s my last post with this guy. I can’t deal with liars. He’s officially in the beech/ignore zone.
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Thank you
January 21st, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:43 pm
561. I agree with you there..
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But the Oline can be turned into a solid group with good coaching, look no further than 11 year with Wylie and Wiz1.0, I don’t think we should draft a Oline guy that high, coaching would make a huge difference there, we’ll have to wait and see who they will hire for that position, but you do need a good Pass rusher, more than likely be a pick in first 2 rounds
January 21st, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Regardless of whether we keep DA or Reggie or CP3 or DMAC, it is in the best interests of the Raiders to build the lines.
Everyone who admits to the team undergoing a rebuild should be able to agree on that.
Skill position players are a luxury for teams with a solid foundation or core of players. We’re not that. Stack the lines regardless of who is under center or carrying the ball. A wave of he future QB or a pocket passer will benefit regardless.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Our O-line isn’t far away from being a competent group. With the right coach and a draft pick or two, we could have a solid base by training camp.
The D-line is a whole other story…
January 21st, 2013 at 12:49 pm
#576 agree 100%
January 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
papertiger418 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Our O-line isn’t far away from being a competent group. With the right coach and a draft pick or two, we could have a solid base by training camp.
The D-line is a whole other story…
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Yup seen some games where they pass blocked well, unless they ran into Von Miller’s of the world, there wasn’t even 1 game where our line put the pressure on the qb with natural rush
January 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
our Dline *
January 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Dr Martin Luther King was a great man who made our culture society and people better in ways very few men have ever done.
A brave man willing to sacrifice everything. ..
January 21st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Congrats to Marcel Reece. Have fun in Hawaii!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
JLofty Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Dr Martin Luther King was a great man who made our culture society and people better in ways very few men have ever done.
A brave man willing to sacrifice everything. ..
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Yup, indeed a great man
January 21st, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Then maybe we take Star,Mingo,Moore….then get into 2nd and take Best RT prospect….Although if you look closely around the leage…Oline gems are often found in the latter rds…scouting!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Veldy and Wiz are our solid O-Line pieces right now. Carlisle might be done or probably should be done. Bergs and Breis are question marks at best. Barnes is Barnes. He’ll have good games, he’ll have horrendous games, and he will false start in all of them.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
574.. I think this solid oline group made of ragtagers that you’re thinking about, were teams with great quarterbacks and good receivers so that they could overcome their week offense olines shortcomings.. honestly we could go any direction we wanted in this draft and it won’t help us make the playoffs this year.
January 21st, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Ultimately it comes down to solid scouting….then coaching!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:56 pm
BOKNOWS Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Ultimately it comes down to solid scouting….then coaching!
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When asked what he was most pleased with in 2012, Reggie mentioned revamping the scouting department. So let’s hope he wasn’t full of it
January 21st, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Wow with the racism BS in here today!!
I dont give a f@ck what color anybody is as long as they get the job done!!
Give me a lime green QB with a cone head and a third eye in the middle of his f@king forehead, as long as he can PLAY!!
Wow, this off-season is gonna be long and UGLY!!
January 21st, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:53 pm
574.. I think this solid oline group made of ragtagers that you’re thinking about, were teams with great quarterbacks and good receivers so that they could overcome their week offense olines shortcomings.. honestly we could go any direction we wanted in this draft and it won’t help us make the playoffs this year.
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We really don’t know what will happen, Our O could be one of the best if we just get a #1 receiver and a decent RT, with Mcfadden turning into his 11 season form, Our D could look respectable with decent pass rushers from edge, a decent MLB, and if Huff and Adams get a lock on cornerback ,and we find a good FS to replace gio
January 21st, 2013 at 12:59 pm
http://raidernationtimes.com/article.php?id=9561
January 21st, 2013 at 1:00 pm
I’d take the best player available in the draft unless we get a crazy good trade.. we need star players. it doesn’t really matter what side of the field you put them on because we suck all over..
January 21st, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Funny that on mlk day that celebrating achievements of black people in sports and playing qb is considered racist.
I guess it is eveidence that mlk was murdered (by racist) before he could change the hearts of the majority
peace
January 21st, 2013 at 1:02 pm
plus DA and Tarver are only going to get better with experience, that alone should make the D little better, since both came from different schemes, i wonder what they would have done, if they had good pass rushers from edge, and a guy who could line up at 3-4 ENd, 4-3 ENd and 3-4 OLB, that’s why i believe Reg being a D guy and coach being a D guy, we will draft Damontre Moore, he can do all that, maybe we will draft a MLB in 3rd, or a FS, or a DT or another DE, it wouldn’t hurt to turn your unit that pervents the other team from getting into end zone, into a solid unit
January 21st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
If we had all our picks:
1st round – Geno Smith
2nd round – Barrett Jones, C, Bama
3rd round – Sean Porter, OLB, A&M
4th round – Jordan Hill, DT, Penn State
Overpay for Jennings, Bowe, or Mike Wallace
And we’ll still suck next year so hopefully Clowney or Jake Matthews in 2014.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
dr slob and macbuttplug 20 are being bitgh slapped by the wave of the future and their palmer worship is an anchor dragging them to the bottom
LMAO!!!!!!
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Get this straight, Miss Tick. I am the Golden Haired Hero Worshipper.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Draft time is really fun, only if it wasn’t that far away though
January 21st, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
Wow with the racism BS in here today!!
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Miss Tick’s wet dream. Set’s the table and waits to be served.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:07 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:03 pm
If we had all our picks:
1st round – Geno Smith
2nd round – Barrett Jones, C, Bama
3rd round – Sean Porter, OLB, A&M
4th round – Jordan Hill, DT, Penn State
Overpay for Jennings, Bowe, or Mike Wallace
And we’ll still suck next year so hopefully Clowney or Jake Matthews in 2014.
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I can live with that, draft O guy to protect him, give him pretty good receiver to throw to, turn Mcfadden into beast mode pre- zone days, but what good will Porter and Hill do? are they good pass rushers? you see them using porter like T A&M?
January 21st, 2013 at 1:07 pm
594. id trade cp3 to get those picks back.. thats how we get clowney.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Kyle Long would be a great RT pick in the 3rd-4th round range. Howie’s kid from Oregon. 6′7″ 315 lbs, athletic.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:09 pm
d Mac and Goodson are made of glass so we need to bring in another running back as well.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Looks like Porter was a pass-rushing force 2 seasons ago, then was switched to 4-3 OLB and still did well there.
Our DC ran a hybrid scheme at Standford and might want similar athletes to convert our D into something more dynamic.
Hill is stout vs run. Not a pass rusher at all, but that’s why he’s available in round 4. I don’t want more pass-rushing DTs that get gashed by Dough Martin.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
flacco and kap r both really good QBS in this league but anyone can see that the ravens and niners r loaded with beasts on offense and defense plus great coaching ofourse everyone will talk about the QBS but its really more about everything else alot of QBS could win with those two rosters hell smith did
January 21st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:07 pm
594. id trade cp3 to get those picks back.. thats how we get clowney.
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yeah he could def get a high second, or even a first from a desperate team, and middle rounder , but i doubt anybody b willing to take his salary, so either way, If Mcfadden is into his 11 form, with pryor or without Pryor, with decent D, i don’t see us drafting in top 8
January 21st, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Reece ran the ball incredibly well. I’m fine with DMac, Reece, Goodson, Stewart for this coming season.
RBs can be found late in draft. Bryce Brown in Philly, Foster, Alfred Morris all 7th round or undrafted.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:12 pm
It’s not celebrating when it’s an attempt to rub it people’s faces as ur accusing them of being against it. It’s actually an attempt to create divisiveness and hate.
I choose to spend today happy that a good Christian man showed this country that love, brotherhood, and non-violence are tools that can defeat evil.
I cried the day o-bam-a was elected the first time cuz I never thought I’d really live to see it.
I’m happy kids are growing up more enlightened and tolerant these days. My kids go to school with blacks, whites, Latinos, Indians, middle easterners, and Asians. It’s normal to them. They don’t even question it. I’m happy for that.
I’m happy to see a multi-ethnic young man like kaepernick exciting the football world.
As my friend Eddie griffin once said, “u know the world is different when the best golfer in the world is black and the best rapper is white”. (Okay that was ten years ago).
It’s not a perfect world and it won’t ever be, but if u love with love in ur heart and treat others like u want to be treated, then u contribute good to the world. And good is stronger than evil.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Looks like Porter was a pass-rushing force 2 seasons ago, then was switched to 4-3 OLB and still did well there.
Our DC ran a hybrid scheme at Standford and might want similar athletes to convert our D into something more dynamic.
Hill is stout vs run. Not a pass rusher at all, but that’s why he’s available in round 4. I don’t want more pass-rushing DTs that get gashed by Dough Martin.
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Yah Porter makes sense, but we would need more than jus one good pass rusher, considering how bad our pass rush was, i like your Picks, but instead of DT HIll, I’ll take my chances with B Jenkins DE FSU, whose stock would drop because of injury, and uncertainty , but the guy was projected to be a first round pick before the season started
January 21st, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Ian
Ravens and 49ers have been loaded with D talent since early 200s. They haven’t succeeded as much…
until Flacco and Torrey Smith exploded last two seasons.
until Smith/Kaep started winging it around to Crabtree and Davis.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:14 pm
NFL Network live from the senior bowl folks
btw
John Zenor@jzenor
Tyrann Mathieu is at Senior Bowl, says he’s hoping to set up meetings with NFL teams. http://yfrog.com/mmk60aqj
January 21st, 2013 at 1:16 pm
McFadden
we definitely need help everywhere. I’m just tired of the run-D problems ever since we stopped having guys like Darrell Russell, Parrela, Sam Adams, and Ted Washington around here.
But I do love taking injury/high-ceiling guys in the late rounds.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:17 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Reece ran the ball incredibly well. I’m fine with DMac, Reece, Goodson, Stewart for this coming season.
RBs can be found late in draft. Bryce Brown in Philly, Foster, Alfred Morris all 7th round or undrafted.
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Yeah Rb’s are dime a dozen, Wide Receiver and Qb’s is when u need to spend those top picks, i think Oline also can be had later in the draft, along with DT’s , but passing rushing beasts, wether 4-3 ends or 3-4 OLBs, are usually gone in first 2-3 rounds, good secondary players are also gone in first 2 rounds, MLB can be had in 3-4 rounds
January 21st, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Id trade dmac too. Whats tge point in keeping him? Hes glass.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:16 pm
McFadden
we definitely need help everywhere. I’m just tired of the run-D problems ever since we stopped having guys like Darrell Russell, Parrela, Sam Adams, and Ted Washington around here.
But I do love taking injury/high-ceiling guys in the late rounds.
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but considerning our RUn wasn’t that bad, and how bad our pass D was, we couldn’t even get near qb’s on 3rd and forevers, that’s why i’m saying get pass rushers, RUn D is more of a result of good coaching and scheme, our run D s9cked because of man D, with cornerbacks backs against the ball carrier
January 21st, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Yah trade DMAC, no reason to pay him 6M when he would probably get injured in pre-season an miss the whole year
January 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Nice post Rob
January 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
But again this might be his first healthy year, since he’s playing in his last year, Reg is smart man, he probably doesn’t have DMAC in his long term thinking but he def raised his value by jus simply ssying DMAC will stay, if they get a good trade offer, he will def trade him, if not he will keep him n the guy might finally stay healthy and we have a good season, maybe make the playoffs (i know it’s a wet dream) but it would be win-win both ways
January 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
bummer year to have no 2nd round pick, with talents like Barrett Jones, Tyler Wilson, Justin Hunter, or even Matt Barkley in that value 2nd round.
See if a trade down fixes that.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I cried the day o-bam-a was elected the first time cuz I never thought I’d really live to see it.
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and I cried the day he got re-elected
January 21st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Anyone know anything about NT Johnny Jones? Signed to Raiders Reserve/future.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:24 pm
catch wid u football guys later, peace
January 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:23 pm
bummer year to have no 2nd round pick, with talents like Barrett Jones, Tyler Wilson, Justin Hunter, or even Matt Barkley in that value 2nd round.
See if a trade down fixes that.
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Yeah, i think they will def trade down and accumulate that 2nd round pick and maybe a 4/5th too
January 21st, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Later, nation.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:30 pm
see ya. I’m out too. have fun in here.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Say no to Geno!
January 21st, 2013 at 1:35 pm
If we trade down to the middle of round 1 we could still pick up t’eo with the way his draft stock is going. Have our guy in the middle then focus on DE,OL,CB and WR. Plus we get a 3rd round pick and a 1st in 2014. Even if we do good this year perhaps that becomes our Clowney pick.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:40 pm
i see DAnus allen has his red sharpie…lmao…
January 21st, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Yeah if we could end up with a second 1st next year that would be huge. Not sure how realistic that is though. I love next years draft.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Im out too…
Happy MLK day to my Raider brethren!!… Remember in the end, we are all human… (except maybe Denver fans…lol)
January 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Keep in mind last year browns gave the Vikings their 4th 5th and 7th to
Swap from the 4th overall pick with the 3rd overall pick. Some of you guys are way undervaluing how much we could really get by trading down. Look at the Julio Jones trade.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Anybody else pick the harbowl before the season?. could have been rich if I put some cash down
January 21st, 2013 at 1:47 pm
But Atlanta got the better end of the Julio Jones trade…
January 21st, 2013 at 1:50 pm
feels great not to see krapp out there…
January 21st, 2013 at 1:53 pm
But Atlanta got the better end of the Julio Jones trade…
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only because Jones was their “Missing Link”, and they knew it.
January 21st, 2013 at 1:53 pm
It does feel pretty nice
January 21st, 2013 at 1:58 pm
I think that 1 superstar is worth 5 jags.. if we trade back we better hit on a lot of those extra picks.
January 21st, 2013 at 2:09 pm
True Story, but when we got a sh*t ton of holes, do you plug ONE hole with super seal, or plug as many as you can to try and stop the bleeding, and do a more focused fix next year?
January 21st, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Here is the draft value chart for draft day traded. Think the rams might move up for Joekel if available?
http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=nflnation&id=69396
January 21st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Just for fun, my fav raiders:
Stabler
Casper
Van eeghen
Branch
Hayes
Allen
Brown
Wisniewski
Long
McElroy
Now:
Veldheer
Palmer
Wheeler
Houston
Branch
Pryor
Coming:
Streater
Burris
Bilukidi
January 21st, 2013 at 2:41 pm
irjonny Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 1:35 pm
If we trade down to the middle of round 1 we could still pick up t’eo with the way his draft stock is going. Have our guy in the middle then focus on DE,OL,CB and WR. Plus we get a 3rd round pick and a 1st in 2014. Even if we do good this year perhaps that becomes our Clowney pick.
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If we pass up Joekel or Warmack to pick up a herd of defensive players that are statistically a 50/50 shot of being a complete BUSTS, I think this franchise is in deep deep trouble.
It means that Reggie hasn’t been doing his homework.
The blueprint to modern playoff success is by picking offense in the early rounds, and then defense in the 3rd at the earliest.
January 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20622701_20665021,00.html
is it okay for me to be proud? I think so =)
January 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Just for fun, my fav raiders:
Stabler
Casper
Van eeghen
Branch
Hayes
Allen
Brown
Wisniewski
Long
McElroy
Now:
Veldheer
Palmer
Wheeler
Houston
Branch
Pryor
Coming:
Streater
Burris
Bilukidi
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Ha Ha, nice list, nerd
Don’t you have a pee wee football team to take to Shakey’s?
My minions, totally priceless
January 21st, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Draft DE/ OLB D Moore. One of the youngest prospects in this draft, had 21 sacks the last 2 years, 12.5 in the SEC last year, and he is versatile.
Moore!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 3:02 pm
It’s too bad Pryor isn’t a very good passer cuz he’s probably the best athlete of all the new wavers (except possibly griffin, but he’s more durable cuz of his size). If he could pass for 60%, he would be the best qb in the nfl. But unfortunately there is a huge difference between 47% and 60%.
The raiders attempted 628 passes from their qb’s this season.
At 60%, that’s 377 completions.
At 47%, that’s 295 completions.
A difference of 82 completions, or a little over 5 per game, or probably around 75 yards.
He would have to get about 1200 yards (75 yards/game) on the ground to make up for the lost completions.
this is why he won’t work as a qb. it’s simple “moneyball” proof that his accuracy issues are not made up by his running.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Yo Brahs, sorry for the long absence, word
Me and the Rasta Ganja Krew just finished a few blenders of Pina Coladas and watching The Bodyguard on cable
That soundtrack is way dope, makes you wanna go out and enjoy the va-jay-jay of a hella fine african american shorty
Yo, any of you dorks in San Diego wanna meet me and the band for autographs, we’ll be at Moray’s in 20 mins
$100 to sign your kid’s forehead, $150 for our headshots/business cards combo
PEACH LOVE N RASTA FARI 4 EVA, MON
January 21st, 2013 at 3:04 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Just for fun, my fav raiders:
Stabler
Casper
Van eeghen
Branch
Hayes
Allen
Brown
Wisniewski
Long
McElroy
Now:
Veldheer
Palmer
Wheeler
Houston
Branch
Pryor
Coming:
Streater
Burris
Bilukidi
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Ha Ha, nice list, nerd
Don’t you have a pee wee football team to take to Shakey’s?
My minions, totally priceless
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don’t u have a pretend life to blog about?
pretend girls. pretend band. pretend hotel. pretend weiner. pathetic.
minions? ur a creepy little s&m freak aren’t u? ur life must totally suck.
it was nicer in here when u were in jail for a month.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Pryor completed 60.9% in college. Has played ONE NFL game, accounted for all 3 Touchdowns.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:06 pm
go wear a mask and beat off to ur boy bands.
haven’t u noticed NOBODY responding to u?
i guess i just did, so u think ur hilarious begging for my attention paid off. get lost loser.
no more from me. see ya.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Pryor completed 60.9% in college. Has played ONE NFL game, accounted for all 3 Touchdowns.
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and threw one of the worst balls i’ve ever seen. i’ve been a little extra harsh on him due to messing with missdick. but seriously, he is a long shot.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Hahaha, a dumpy hotel bar in PB. Wow you’re big time.
Insert sarcasm anywhere.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
unfortunately there is a huge difference between 47% and 60%.
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Like 5 dropped passes? Why, yes, in fact that would turn 47% into 63%. Sweet, looks like we’re some good receivers away from an incredible athlete with 60% completion.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:10 pm
posted last nite.
Dr_robert Says:
January 20th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Missdick–I believe u have hate in u. It’s unfortunate. I’ve attacked u for it. But in the spirit of MLK day tomorrow, I am “retiring” that angle. I still may make a joke here and there but it will be in good spirit and I won’t be negative with u anymore. I don’t think it’s fruitful. And too many posters are convinced there is racism behind my posts, which even though there is not, I don’t wish to spread that notion. U tempt many of us to root against kaepernick, but since he is probably my favorite player in the Super Bowl, I won’t let ur gloating stand in the way of me supporting a good and exciting young player. I hope u see the error of ur ways for ur kids sake at least.
Go raiders.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Why repost ignorant schit about somebody who’s not even here?
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Pryor should be our starting quarterback, and Reece should be our starting running back.
But the Raiders are run by idiots.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:13 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:09 pm
unfortunately there is a huge difference between 47% and 60%.
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Like 5 dropped passes? Why, yes, in fact that would turn 47% into 63%. Sweet, looks like we’re some good receivers away from an incredible athlete with 60% completion.
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well, hello there “poster never before seen”. well, not really, since the wr’s drop the same amount for palmer as pryor.
it’s simple. if u think u watched a qb who threw an nfl ball, then good for u. but that means that u don’t know what an nfl ball looks like, so ur acumen is ignorant.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:13 pm
It’s probably been posted here already… Juan Castillo to the Ravens…
Via Rotoworld.com
The Ravens have removed the “interim” tag from OC Jim Caldwell’s title.
Cam Cameron’s mid-season replacement will officially be back for 2013. The Ravens have also hired former Eagles DC/OL coach Juan Castillo as their run-game coordinator. Caldwell’s return became a formality after the Ravens offense morphed from plodding and predictable to aggressive and consistently productive under his watch. Caldwell has adopted an attacking approach with big-armed QB Joe Flacco, and has taken to spelling Ray Rice often with electric rookie Bernard Pierce. With an entire offseason to shed Cameron’s ways coming up after the Super Bowl, Baltimore’s arsenal of skill players should be considered “on the rise” for 2013.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Why repost ignorant schit about somebody who’s not even here?
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of course he’s here.
and it’s ignorant to talk peace?
happy MLK day kell.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:16 pm
the only way we should stay at #3 is if reggie sees a pass rusher or qb he thinks are gonna be great.
otherwise, trade down, collect picks, and grab warmack or milliner.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Why repost ignorant schit about somebody who’s not even here?
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of course he’s here.
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The only thing you bring to this blog, is your pathetic obsession over another poster. Sick ass troll.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Lol! Been here for years Robert.
Rockstar, O, and J Hill can attest to that.. Miss me with that.
Now it’s in comparison to how many are dropped for Palmer too? You said 60% would be good and I merely point out there were 5 dropped balls. Fact. Now I have no football acumen? Lol! Going back on your 60% comment? Now they have to be pretty passes.
This place is funny.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Why repost ignorant schit about somebody who’s not even here?
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of course he’s here.
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The only thing you bring to this blog, is your pathetic obsession over another poster. Sick ass troll.
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u say that as u obsess over me.
i bring some of the best football acumen seen here.
and some of the funniest jokes.
and i completely obliterate some of the most annoying posters, so that everyone on the board finally despises and ignores them. it drives them crazy when they’re exposed.
it’s a dirt job but someone’s gotta do it.
but keep hanging on my evert word. it’s good to know ur an avid reader.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:22 pm
but keep hanging on my evert word. it’s good to know ur an avid reader.
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You wish dumbass.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:23 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Lol! Been here for years Robert.
Rockstar, O, and J Hill can attest to that.. Miss me with that.
Now it’s in comparison to how many are dropped for Palmer too? You said 60% would be good and I merely point out there were 5 dropped balls. Fact. Now I have no football acumen? Lol! Going back on your 60% comment? Now they have to be pretty passes.
This place is funny.
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no. dropped passes are part of the game. hoping his accuracy improves by wr’s not dropping any is a fallacy.
he’s not accurate. can’t u see that?
January 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
alright i asked Rob to help the blog and ignore him, i guess he won’t, we’ll just have to scroll past long posts of mistiks for another hour or so
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dr slob can’t ignore me lol he lives for me he dreams of me he has webdreams about me as soon as he sees my name it makes his day
LMAO !!!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:22 pm
but keep hanging on my evert word. it’s good to know ur an avid reader.
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You wish dumbass.
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as u read and respond to yet another of my brilliant posts.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
watched django again last night. weird movie.
a great tragedy. all of the good guys get killed. lol.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
im a tide fan love warmack hes a rare guard and a absolute beast and we def need a guard for sure but maybe joekel would be better and im only saying this cuz i think we need a right tackle more than a gurd but both r a huge need and both players r studs cant really go wrong what do u guys think?
January 21st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
before u go all ape sh1t on me, it was a joke. it’s like a humorless nuthouse in here.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
watched django again last night. weird movie.
a great tragedy. all of the good guys get killed. lol.
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Oh Kudos to you, you watched Django. Dumbass.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
im a tide fan love warmack hes a rare guard and a absolute beast and we def need a guard for sure but maybe joekel would be better and im only saying this cuz i think we need a right tackle more than a gurd but both r a huge need and both players r studs cant really go wrong what do u guys think?
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i think so. we have a lot of options. i think OL and CB are the biggest needs that can be addressed in the draft, IF we resign carter. but with the surplus of pass rushers available, it might be a good way to go.
bergstrom will start with brisiel, wiz, and veldheer. need one more. a stud would be great. but signing a solid vet or maybe even going with bergstrom at RT and nix at LG could be done.
we REALLY need a 2nd rounder.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:27 pm
watched django again last night. weird movie.
a great tragedy. all of the good guys get killed. lol.
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Oh Kudos to you, you watched Django. Dumbass.
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thanks for reading. ur my #1 fan!
January 21st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
kell–always spreading the love.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:34 pm
btw, i wish there was no draft. it should be nothing but free agency. the draft is actually illegal. u shouldn’t be able to citate to people where they can work, unless ur saying the nfl is one company. then it’s anti-trust.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:35 pm
anyone else gald to finally have new era doing the nfl caps? so many years of ridiculous looking clown-hats. now there are cool, clean hats.
love it.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
we need to built the trenches in this draft oline, dline dont care which route we take i would pass on geno or any other qb in the first round tho we can focus on that next year
January 21st, 2013 at 3:43 pm
as far as a corner goes im starting to think the position is a little overrated especally if ur gonna take one in round 1 claiborne didnt really help the cowgirls gilmore didnt really help the bills peterson didnt really help the cards much even tho all r good players i just think we should focus more on pass rush safetys seems like a bigger deal nowadays anyway besides revis there is no dominant corner in the NFL anyway so i say stick with the trenches
January 21st, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I would like a honest answer,was anyone else offering Olsen a oc job.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:49 pm
653.Kirk Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Pryor should be our starting quarterback, and Reece should be our starting running back.
But the Raiders are run by idiots.
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Kirk, someone signed off as you yesterday…using your name. That person agrees 110% with you on Pryor.
Maybe that person was just confused for a minute as to who he was.
I’m sure that’s it.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:50 pm
In Jacksonville he had a pro bowl rb,a top 10 qb,a top 5 wr,2 1st round tackles and the offense still sucked.reggie doesn’t have any eye for talent.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:57 pm
676.chuck Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I would like a honest answer,was anyone else offering Olsen a oc job.
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I had heard his name being bandied about as a possibility for the Bears OC job on the radio. I’m not sure if he interviewed with them or not.
I don’t think it’s much worse a hire than many other teams as far as name recognition etc. or resume.
At least it wasn’t some no name from Alcorn St. or something as some predicted it would.
He at least has experience as an NFL OC for multiple yr’s and has a few positive things attributed to him.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:58 pm
We should trade Brisel back to the Texans. They thought highly of him and were distraught at losing him to FA. Their right side this year, his old position, was a disaster. he fact that he’s a known commodity to them and that he knows their offense, should make him an attractive acquisition. I’m thinking that we could get a third round pick and possibly a second if everything works out right.
Our first pick should be Luke Joeckel, OT. Let he & Veldheer bang it out to see who goes to OLT. The other guy goes to ORT. If we can pick up a center in FA or use Parsons, we can then move Wiz 2.0 to OLG. Bergstrom or Nix can then slip into ORG. I’d sign Barnes for minimums to be a back-up OT. He was hurt last year and that’s why he had some problems. If we can lock down a dominant power blocking O-line, both DMac & CP3 will benefit. Now, to find a #1 WR in FA.
January 21st, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Olson was a relief after I heard that Chicago had parted ways with Mike Tice…I thought for sure he was coming to Oaktown.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:02 pm
After my step father was rotated back state side from the front lines of the Korean war (31st.Regimental Combat Team. 7th. Infantry Div.), he was re-assigned as a basic training insructor at Ft. Ord.
One of the other Sergeants in his barracks, was none other than Martin Luther King Jr. In fact they shared the same Cadry room (were roommates) for 6mos.
My step dad says MLK was a nice guy, always wanted to borrow his 1950 Chrysler convertable “to go into town on the weekends”. He would let MLK use the car, if he wasn’t needing it for himself…
January 21st, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Dang, it was a lot of fun when Blog Punching Bag Nob was too afraid to respond to the Beeech Dawg
Made dissin’ the resident pee wee coach so easy, word. Fish n a barrel, shout out to Master P
But then he tries to jump back into my Blog Octagon and you remember why he EARNED that Punching Bag title
Even funnier is when KrappyRat even jumps on poor Nob for a few easy licks, word
WRECKS N EFFECT 2013
January 21st, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Beeech dawg is Chris Rock circa 1989′.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Johnny,I guess the way you explain what could have happen it make sense,plus he runs a system that fits the talent.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Is Twitter down?
Or, is it just my pos computer….
January 21st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
I love circular reasoning.
Guy comes on here proclaiming victory. Except his “victory” apparently is his proclamation of that victory. And then he runs away yelling about how great his victory was.
Clowns to the left of me, clowns to the right.
It’s a great thing knowing u can rally all of the blog stooges against u. They look past their differences and fight together. It’s kinda like if New Zealand, the Congo, and Greenland united to battle the USA. The metaphorical big kid holding back the runts by their oversized foreheads, laughing hysterically as the runts try to swing at him.
Feels good. I’m doing something right.
Happy MLK day!
January 21st, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Yo Blog Brahs
The line out the door at Moray’s is hella huge, dang
Don’t know if we have enough pens to sign that many foreheads
Fortunately we’ve got a huge order of skunk from Imperial Beach rollin in, gots to smoke tough before we get down at Saskas
Those Mike Tais sure ain’t gonna drink themselves
HOLLA BACK MO FRESH LICKS
January 21st, 2013 at 4:21 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 3:16 pm
the only way we should stay at #3 is if reggie sees a pass rusher or qb he thinks are gonna be great.
otherwise, trade down, collect picks, and grab warmack or milliner.
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So what if someone else grabs him right in front of us? We just go oh shucks and roll the dice on the “can’t miss- flavor of the week- defensive player?” No thanx.
This is where Al had it right… if there is a player you WANT, you take him. If there isn’t anybody you want, trade down.
No exceptions.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:21 pm
More like screech from saved by the bell.
Best screeech moment ever: I told him I was gonna beat his azz and he started talking about how i better watch it cuz he knew karate. Just like his mom told him to when he was getting picked in at the bus stop and they would steal his lunch money.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:22 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
I love circular reasoning.
Guy comes on here proclaiming victory. Except his “victory” apparently is his proclamation of that victory. And then he runs away yelling about how great his victory was.
Clowns to the left of me, clowns to the right.
It’s a great thing knowing u can rally all of the blog stooges against u. They look past their differences and fight together. It’s kinda like if New Zealand, the Congo, and Greenland united to battle the USA. The metaphorical big kid holding back the runts by their oversized foreheads, laughing hysterically as the runts try to swing at him.
Feels good. I’m doing something right.
Happy MLK day!
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uh oh – MELTDOWN
any of my Blog Brahs want a free crack at my minion (yes K-Rat, you can have another), now’s the time
2013 is already hella wiggity fresh
January 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Beech dawg is obviously m1st1c, same person, different ways of irritating bloggers lol
January 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Gdog–sure. If ur convinced a guy is a game changer, then don’t let him get snagged by another team cuz u thought he wasn’t slotted till later. Definitely. Just like Dhb and Mitchell. Just kidding.
But we need picks. Lots of them. And if the guy u think is best is likely to at around the 9 or 10 spot, it’s smart to trade down a few spots and collect picks.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
St1ck to same sh1t, M1st1c likes to use word exposed, beech likes to use meltdown, they make it so easy lol
January 21st, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Aaron Rodgers said it best in talking about all this zone read, pistol blah blah blah offense nonsense when he said “This too shall pass”.
“Wave of the Future”???? Puhleeeeeeeez.
Any suggestion that tried and true QB’s like Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are going away anytime soon is ludicrous. There’s plenty more where they came from.
Great QB’s like Johnny Manziel, Tyler Wilson, Colby Cameron and Matt Barkley are ready and more than able to fill their shoes; and they most certainly will.
Russell Wilson and his three ring circus were EXPOSED for the two bit freak show that it was from the start.
Cheap magic tricks and slight of hand took the hapless Wilson only so far..and his circus side show ended miserably during a high noon showdown at the Georgia Dome last week.
He wilted and headed back to Seattle with his tail between his legs.
HE OWES US THE ENTIRE FOOTBALL WORLD AN APOLOGY for his trickery and uncommon devices.
No, the young QB was not able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and thankfully the curtain will close and him and his two bit gimmick offense.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:30 pm
castillo to ravens. tice or wiz for oline coach
January 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
The guy must know he makes no sense and really should be embarrassed. All the meltdown stuff. Talking about his phantom blog buddies. Purported beatdowns that never happened. I mean knows everyone sees it. There’s no hidden posts that support him. Just a little scrawny puppy looking for attention. A damaged little guy. Poor middle aged loon.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Nob Bust, how about posting the link to your hilarious facebook page with that picture of some pasty, wimpy looking nerd
Me and my Blog Brahs can always use a sweet laugh, holla. At your expense, of course (high 5)
Speaking of the Rasta Ganja autograph session, already scored 3 numbers from stacked MILFs who wanna party all night long
That most likely means I’ll get to touch their va-jay-jays with my my ding dong, then do a mayonnaise explosion
PMPP N THE HIZZY
January 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:32 pm
The guy must know he makes no sense and really should be embarrassed. All the meltdown stuff. Talking about his phantom blog buddies. Purported beatdowns that never happened. I mean knows everyone sees it. There’s no hidden posts that support him. Just a little scrawny puppy looking for attention. A damaged little guy. Poor middle aged loon.
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Her Motive is so what if im getting embarrased and ridiculed as long as she’s getting attention she will come back, lol , kinda like another attention whore, who shows up with her friends, n gets happy when she gets attention from u,
January 21st, 2013 at 4:36 pm
so what if she’s
January 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Cracks me up cuz he’s been posting and posting and couldn’t get a response from anyone. So he kept trying to get me notice him by talking about how I wouldn’t answer and he liked it. Over and over. So I have him a cookie. Let him think he matters. It’s MLK day. I’m feeling good hearted.
In some imaginary thought bubble, there’s a middle aged guy recruiting members for a boy band (gayest fantasy to admit ever) while using his foot long weiner to have high-risk sex with strippers twenty times a day while eating fast food.
Sounds wonderful.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:38 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Beech dawg is obviously m1st1c, same person, different ways of irritating bloggers lol
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Junior Detective McFlubbin’ is on the case, folks
January 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
What do they say about people who try way too hard to convince people they’re straight/tough/rich etc?
Ur right mcf20. Back to shutout/ignore mode.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Cracks me up cuz he’s been posting and posting and couldn’t get a response from anyone. So he kept trying to get me notice him by talking about how I wouldn’t answer and he liked it. Over and over. So I have him a cookie. Let him think he matters. It’s MLK day. I’m feeling good hearted.
In some imaginary thought bubble, there’s a middle aged guy recruiting members for a boy band (gayest fantasy to admit ever) while using his foot long weiner to have high-risk sex with strippers twenty times a day while eating fast food.
Sounds wonderful.
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HAHAHAHAHA yeah n to think a person got time for blogging if he has girls hanging around him like spider webs , lol
January 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm
What kind of guy comes daily to a football board filled with guys to talk about his fantasy sex life? One guess. And it rhymes with hay. It also rhymes with momosexual.
January 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
What do they say about people who try way too hard to convince people they’re straight/tough/rich etc?
Ur right mcf20. Back to shutout/ignore mode.
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Opposite is the truth 95% of the times lol
January 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:42 pm
What kind of guy comes daily to a football board filled with guys to talk about his fantasy sex life? One guess. And it rhymes with hay. It also rhymes with momosexual.
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Oh no, you must be melting down lol
January 21st, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Brahs, one the Beeech Dawg’s favorites is when 2 of my humble minions run into each other’s arms, thinking they can spoon their way to safety
Happens all the time, totally awesome, mad props to my weiner-dawg
Yo Brahs, been working on some dope raps while signing autographs, this is about stacking straight cheese
Shout out to my click, the Inglewood Eagles, represent
Getting hella high and makin’ mad cheddar
I like a hand job but makin’ love is much bettar
Girl, you can be my lady, ’cause there ain’t no other
Now get down on your knees and help steer my rudder
POWER TO THE PEOPLE< SHOUT OUT TO MLK, STARS N STRIPES
January 21st, 2013 at 4:45 pm
I don’t know. Maybe it’s time that the raiders admit that they are rebuilding and take a big picture approach to draft and free agency for once. Trade down get picks. There will be franchise players taken later than 3 overall and maybe we get a couple vets to lead the young guys. More young guys the merrier. Let them play for jobs. Maybe some staring time makes bilikudi a star. Same with bergstrom. Never know
January 21st, 2013 at 4:46 pm
SO what should the Raiders do with #3 pick?
January 21st, 2013 at 4:48 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:40 pm
What do they say about people who try way too hard to convince people they’re straight/tough/rich etc?
Ur right mcf20. Back to shutout/ignore mode.
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For the 20th time.
Please don’t ever change, lil Nob!
EMOTICONS IN THE CITY, REPPIN’ THE ‘WOOD
January 21st, 2013 at 4:49 pm
*starting
January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
I’m pretty sure Reggie IS rebuilding. For me, raiders MUST trade down. Even twice. Collect players. If Reggie believes he can spot talent, then trust it.
One BIG thing is assessing ur current team under contract. Where do u feel are the holes? How much money do u have and where is it best spent?
Any guys making too much money relative to production? Get em outta here.
Keep ur overachievers. Dump ur underachievers.
Slot ur draft board. Who do u think u can get? Where does that leave in FA?
January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Bilukidi has athleticism , lets hope he can gain some more weight, get more stronger, learn some more moves
January 21st, 2013 at 4:52 pm
One of Crawford or Bilukidi would surprise us,
January 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
I’m pretty sure Reggie IS rebuilding. For me, raiders MUST trade down. Even twice. Collect players. If Reggie believes he can spot talent, then trust it.
One BIG thing is assessing ur current team under contract. Where do u feel are the holes? How much money do u have and where is it best spent?
Any guys making too much money relative to production? Get em outta here.
Keep ur overachievers. Dump ur underachievers.
Slot ur draft board. Who do u think u can get? Where does that leave in FA?
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I’m going to check out our salary cap situation , will get back to u in a few
January 21st, 2013 at 4:57 pm
OH SNAP BRAHS AND HELLA DANG
Just got dragged into the jacuzzi by this WAAAAY stacked MILF with huge tiggly-booblies
After a few mins of discussing the inauguration she dunked her head for an underwater licky lick on my genitalias
Couldn’t tell if it was her digits or the jets massaging the Beeeech Balls but who cares, shout out to Tone Loc
Afterwards we parted ways with a gentle kiss, a wink, and a promise of a new America
WHUDDUP MT RUSHMORE
January 21st, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Well we KNOW u wont beech. U have repeated urself a thousand times easily. Seems u would tire of it urself. U out a lot of thought into it and don’t get much response.
I’ll say in all honesty that u can be kinda funny. U have created a strange but consistent character. I’m almost convinced u have a little dossier on him so u remember his lika and dislikes.
But ultimately u are just annoying cuz u are so repetitive, are impervious to logic, and are insulting. Ur sole purpose, beyond living out a truly strange fantasy, seems to be to bug the heck outta everyone.
U really do seem like someone that most people would just end up punching.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:53 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:51 pm
I’m pretty sure Reggie IS rebuilding. For me, raiders MUST trade down. Even twice. Collect players. If Reggie believes he can spot talent, then trust it.
One BIG thing is assessing ur current team under contract. Where do u feel are the holes? How much money do u have and where is it best spent?
Any guys making too much money relative to production? Get em outta here.
Keep ur overachievers. Dump ur underachievers.
Slot ur draft board. Who do u think u can get? Where does that leave in FA?
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I’m going to check out our salary cap situation , will get back to u in a few
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We can all rest easy now, Blog Brahs. Junior Detective McFailin’ is on the case
January 21st, 2013 at 5:03 pm
LOL HAHAHAHA BEECH WHORE is sumthing else
January 21st, 2013 at 5:05 pm
amazing spiderman post 695 absolutely spot on man well said couldnt agree more dont forget about mike glennon,arron murray and ryan nassib the future is amazing for the pure pocket passer they will never go anywhere the pistol and gimmick offense is a trend that will be here for a small portion of nfl time thats it
January 21st, 2013 at 5:06 pm
We are 5 mil over the cap I believe. Seymour, Kelly, huff, McClain, dhb, lechler. Those are my picks to dump either trade or cut to save money… I don’t know how much we would still owe them but I’m sure it works in our favor financially and performance wise to ditch those contracts. I’m 50/50 on huff just because of upside with versatility he’s shown
January 21st, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Man can’t believe how overhyped Geno Smith is, he looks like a toy out there, Ds are going to be lickin their chops to put a big lick on him
January 21st, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 am
What kind of hero is Matt Hassleback ?
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Fcking classic…lol
January 21st, 2013 at 5:15 pm
mcfadden20 geno smith isnt very good i really hope KC drafts him
January 21st, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Taken from today write up on senior bowl
“The Raiders coaching staff worked for quite a while with the quarterbacks on designed rollouts. Given that their incumbent QB is Carson Palmer and he has the mobility of a Pontiac Parisienne with snow tires, it makes me wonder if they’re going to look at a QB change. “
January 21st, 2013 at 5:28 pm
People are bringing up Richard Seymour in salary cap dumps.
He’s already gone.
He becomes an unrestricted free agent when period starts by not meeting playing time requirements.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:29 pm
ON NFL they are showing Barry Sanders Life, good story Him and Bo jackson would have been 1&2 in nfl rushing records in any order
January 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Jus checked Veldheer and Wiz contracts they are going to be in their last year of their contracts, how the eff we going to keep both?
January 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
was very late to deliver the ball on the rollout end zone drill, as if processing the information a little too slowly. This is correctable and I hope I see improvement as the week progresses.
I kept a tally in my notes of “What the F***” throw from the QBs: Dysert 6, Glennon 5, Nassib 3. And I was generally being nice because it’s the first day. Take these guys in the top 40 at your peril. Heck, based on today and selective film study take any of these guys in the top 100 at your peril.
The WR vs. DB battle are always intriguing and this was no exception.
Oregon State CB Jordan Poyer thrived in the jam session, locking up Marquise Goodwin and Aaron Dobson and completely nullifying them form the routes.
The best wideout during the jam drill was Kansas State’s Chris Harper, who quickly shed hands from all combatants and quickly got into his route. I have several positive remarks about Harper in my notes from today, including a strong block on Poyer in 11s drills that opened a sideline crease. He caught every ball with all hands and only hands, while showing crisp breaks and a nice outside burst after the cut.
Texas WR Marquise Goodwin is smallish but man can he flat-out fly. Desmond Trufant whiffed a bit on the jam (he went too high) and Goodwin was 10 yards down the field before Trufant was completely turned around in chase mode. Early in practice they ran an end around to Goodwin and he looked like Tyson Gay sprinting with the ball. As I Tweeted from the sideline, he is my pick for fastest man at the Combine. He’s certainly the fastest at the 100. He’s not soft, however; he uses his hands nicely to shed the jam and has a subtle forearm push-off move down the field. He does really gear down to make his lateral cuts, something readily evident to anyone who watched the Longhorns last fall.
Elon WR Aaron Mellette had a mixed bag of a day. He really struggled to get off press coverage but made a couple of very nice, difficult catches. He has very smooth body control and strong hands, but there is very little suddenness to his motion.
Oregon State WR Markus Wheaton has very quick feet. I wrote that in my notes three times. He beautifully sold an inside fake with a quick step and shoulder turn before sharply breaking it outside and torching Utah State CB Will Davis, who looked a step slow and tight in the hips all day. Wheaton made a nice one-step out cut and turned it up to catch a deep throw with a nice highpoint jump late in practice.
Blidi Wreh-Wilson of UConn is a corner that I like more than most heading here, and he solidified that today on the field. He was very tough in jam, not letting Mellette get three yards up the field and showing good quick footwork to mirror the receiver when he danced at the line. He also got a pick on Dysert with a great jam on Wheaton on an out where Dysert never should have thrown it. One negative was that he was very easily blocked against the run, the one thing that Marshall WR Aaron Dobson did well today. Scratch that, I also found in my Dobson notes “made a very sharp corner break”.
USC safety TJ McDonald looks great in his pads, but in watching the agility drills he was consistently way too high in his backpedal and required an extra step to break laterally. He committed a hold when covering Mellette out of the slot and got torched on a seam route by Western Kentucky TE Jack Doyle, who was faster than advertised.
San Jose State TE Ryan Otten is built more like a supersized receiver than TE and not overly quick, but once he gets a couple of steps he has sneaky speed. He uses his shoulders and feet well when running routes and can quickly adjust to a poor throw. He got down the seam quickly on a rep in 11s but Dysert wildly misfired high and behind him.
Colorado TE Nick Kasa had a couple of passes that got into his thigh pads and dropped another low throw. He’s not unathletic at all, but he really struggled when the ball wasn’t at his chest or above. He is definitely the lithest of the tight ends in the open field.
Denard Robinson is certainly a wild card. He was grouped with the receivers but donned a yellow non-contact QB jersey all day. Fielding punts was a great misadventure for Robinson, as he mangled four of them and failed to catch another which drew the ire of the special teams coach. He looked pretty crisp in running routes and has nice footwork along the sidelines. He really needs to learn how to look the ball all the way into his hands, but that will come with increases repetition.
General Notes:
The Raiders coaching staff worked for quite a while with the quarterbacks on designed rollouts. Given that their incumbent QB is Carson Palmer and he has the mobility of a Pontiac Parisienne with snow tires, it makes me wonder if they’re going to look at a QB change.
I wasn’t really focused on the line play, but Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher completely dominated every rep I watch. There are some pretty good tackles here but he is head and shoulders above the rest.
SMU DE Margus Hunt was the one player that all the other players approached as they trickled onto the field. He is charismatic and definitely well-respected by his peers. In what limited action I saw he was very tall in run defense and gave up the backside contain badly. I also noted that a great deal of his height is in his upper body. He stands 6’8” but his waist is almost dead even with guys 3 and 4 inches shorter. I worry this leaves him susceptible to back problems and anchor strength issues.
This place is a total sausage fest. I counted exactly two females in attendance today, with at least 500 men in Ladd Peebles stadium. Let’s hope the Mobile bar scene is a much more favorable ratio!
Tags: Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Chris Harper, Jordan Poyer, margus hunt, Markus Wheaton, Marquise Goodwin, Mike Glennon, Nick Kasa, Oakland Raiders, Ryan Nassib, Ryan Otten, Senior Bowl, Zac Dysert
http://www.detroitlionsdraft.com/2013/01/senior-bowl-notebook-north-squad-day-one/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
January 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
From the Associated Press:
Ex-LSU star Mathieu attends Senior Bowl practice
FAIRHOPE, Ala. — Former LSU star Tyrann Mathieu is at the Senior Bowl and hopes to meet with NFL coaches and executives.
He says his ambitions haven’t changed even if his days as the “Honey Badger” ended with his college career. The 2011 Heisman Trophy finalist watched ex-teammate Lavar Edwards and the rest of the Senior Bowl’s South team practice on Monday.
Mathieu says he still feels he’ll be a Pro Bowler but knows he’ll face tough questions from NFL teams. He says recent months have been about “getting a grip on myself mentally, emotionally and spiritually.”
January 21st, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Senior Bowl Notebook: North Squad Day One
January 21st, 2013
Jeff Risdon, DLD Editor
The first day is all about the QBs, WRs, TEs, and DBs.
The North QBs are Zac Dysert, Ryan Nassib, and Mike Glennon. All three are widely seen as potential first round talents, but that was not very evident today.
Nassib from Syracuse is the shortest of the three but throws the most consistent tight spiral with velocity. His mechanics are the most consistent as well, with a good weight transfer and quick shoulder. The biggest issue for Nassib is throwing the ball to the right spot at the right time. He was a count late several times and missed some marks, generally outside. Some of that is clearly attributable to being the first day working with these receivers, but it bears watching.
Glennon is just head-pounding frustrating to evaluate. I genuinely see why people like him so much; his height is fantastic and when he uses proper lower body mechanics his throws are excellent with great pace and a catchable tilt. He showed the ability to rifle the ball outside the numbers as well. But his mechanics are inconsistent, something that plagued him at NC State. When he hits the top of his drop he tends to let his back foot go flat, which throws off the timing of his body and weight transfer. He threw an INT today that was a textbook example of this as it causes the ball to sail high and puts too much torque on his elbow. He doesn’t always have great rhythm to his feet and shoulder either. He threw an absolute duck on one rep but then followed it with a laser strike on the exact same route. They did a rollout drill at the end of practice where he was perfect one rep but would fail to rotate his hips and get his feet too close on the next. From that standpoint he reminds me a lot of Christian Ponder, who is a very good QB when he practices proper fundamentals but a train wreck dumpster fire when he doesn’t.
Dysert really struggled on the first day. In the dropback drill he tends to let his back foot slide too far back, which throws off his coordination. His throwing motion is much more arm-heavy, which leads to more shoulder and elbow torque and potential for breakdown. He made a lot of reactive throws instead of anticipatory throws today, a terrible sin for NFL QBs. Again, it’s the first day of practice with unfamiliar receivers in a new offense, but when the pattern is a simple 8-yard out there’s not a lot of reason to hold the ball until the receiver is open. Dysert did that twice, and both got picked. He really struggled mechanically when rolling out, particularly to his left. On one instance he tripped over his own feet and tumbled to the ground. He was very late to deliver the ball on the rollout end zone drill, as if processing the information a little too slowly. This is correctable and I hope I see improvement as the week progresses.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
on espn, talking about tebow:
jamele hill: i know we’re seeing a bit more of the spread option with rg3 and those guys, but i don’t even think for those guys, that it’s a long term solution.
herm edwards: 5 year career.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:35 pm
just read that OAKLAND RAIDER SCOUTS.. attented 7 West Virginia games this year.. wonder who they were looking at.
Either Austin, Bailey, or Geno Smith?? maybe some defensive guys? OLINE?
January 21st, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Tebow ‘forced’ on Jets’ owner?
The notion that Jets owner Woddy Johnson was driving the Tim Tebow train has become widely accepted, partly through the words that have fallen out of Johnson’s own mouth
But that’s not what Johnson told at least one of his general manager candidates, saying the unused backup quarterback was “forced” on him.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/woody-johnson-told-gm-applicant-he-didnt-want-tebow/
January 21st, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RosterWatch @RosterWatch
Take notice #Raiders fans – scouts sniffin around EJ Manuel – A player we expect to blow up here this wk @ #SeniorBowl -Dante Culpepper 2.0?
January 21st, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
Interested to hear, see where Calvin Branch was at.
He’s the Raiders scout who watched and recommended the Raiders draft Denarius Moore.
Branch was a marginal safety during his short playing career, but, he has an eye for talent.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Week 7 Raiders scouted games
Air Force at Wyoming
NFL teams attending: , Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers.
Prospects to watch: Wyoming: FS *Luke Anderson, OL Nick Carlson, OLB *Devyn Harris, DL *Patrick Mertens, DT Mike Purcell, SS Luke Ruff;
Air Force: CB *Steffon Batts, RB Cody Getz.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:40 pm
There is all kinds of Raider related news.. i will keep posting as I come across ish as today.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
on espn, talking about tebow:
jamele hill: i know we’re seeing a bit more of the spread option with rg3 and those guys, but i don’t even think for those guys, that it’s a long term solution.
herm edwards: 5 year career.
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Yeah, so?? I’ll take 5 yrs of Kappy over 30 yrs of Carson Palmer 6 days a week and twice on Sundays! Pretty sure the Bengals would tell you the same thing. Cut Palmer tonight!!!!
January 21st, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Raiders looking at Air Force Running back Cody Getz
January 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Sources say Manti Te’o still high on Raiders Radar #Raiders
January 21st, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I imagine the only thing keeping Palmer here is his contractual situation.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Hmm….
“Proud of my husband and the Pats. By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis’ Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!” Burns Welker said in a since-deleted post on her personal Facebook page.
Welker’s wife has since apologized to Ray Lewis and put the apology up on her Facebook…
January 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm
http://www.tfdssports.com/site/by-the-numbers-a-look-at-new-raiders-oc-greg-olson.html
This is a good read I saw in an earlier spot. Kind of similar to what I saw in Knapps’s history. Hopefully though he can get more creative with the pieces we have here.
January 21st, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
on espn, talking about tebow:
jamele hill: i know we’re seeing a bit more of the spread option with rg3 and those guys, but i don’t even think for those guys, that it’s a long term solution.
herm edwards: 5 year career.
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Yeah, so?? I’ll take 5 yrs of Kappy over 30 yrs of Carson Palmer 6 days a week and twice on Sundays! Pretty sure the Bengals would tell you the same thing. Cut Palmer tonight!!!!
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well, when u say things like that, u lose all serious cred. nobody invests in a 5 year qb. besides, u completely miss the point. a lot of people think these offenses are shooting stars that will cripple ur qb. everyone wants to find a great qb they can build around for 10-15 years.
guys like u who don’t value good players and don’t apparently have the ability to look at a roster, see who plays well, and who doesn’t, and instead just blame the qb for wins and losses, don’t really have much to offer in a real football discussion.
i understand. ur here to just throw out random stuff without thinking too hard about it. it’s just for entertainment. but don’t expect any serious fans to take u seriously. no real football fan thinks a guy who throws for 4k yards and 22 tds and only 14 ints with arguably the worse wr crew in the game, should be dumped. especially for an unproven pass-challenged project.
ur just spouting off. like a housewife.
happy MLK day though.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I imagine the only thing keeping Palmer here is his contractual situation.
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plus the 4k uyards/22 tds in 14 games, and the lack of a replacement.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Hmm….
“Proud of my husband and the Pats. By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis’ Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!” Burns Welker said in a since-deleted post on her personal Facebook page.
Welker’s wife has since apologized to Ray Lewis and put the apology up on her Facebook…
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guess she calls ‘em like she sees ‘em. before the press agents tell her better, of course.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
on espn, talking about tebow:
jamele hill: i know we’re seeing a bit more of the spread option with rg3 and those guys, but i don’t even think for those guys, that it’s a long term solution.
herm edwards: 5 year career.
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Yeah, so?? I’ll take 5 yrs of Kappy over 30 yrs of Carson Palmer 6 days a week and twice on Sundays! Pretty sure the Bengals would tell you the same thing. Cut Palmer tonight!!!!
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well, when u say things like that, u lose all serious cred. nobody invests in a 5 year qb. besides, u completely miss the point. a lot of people think these offenses are shooting stars that will cripple ur qb. everyone wants to find a great qb they can build around for 10-15 years.
guys like u who don’t value good players and don’t apparently have the ability to look at a roster, see who plays well, and who doesn’t, and instead just blame the qb for wins and losses, don’t really have much to offer in a real football discussion.
i understand. ur here to just throw out random stuff without thinking too hard about it. it’s just for entertainment. but don’t expect any serious fans to take u seriously. no real football fan thinks a guy who throws for 4k yards and 22 tds and only 14 ints with arguably the worse wr crew in the game, should be dumped. especially for an unproven pass-challenged project.
ur just spouting off. like a housewife.
happy MLK day though.
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Nope. I want Carson Palmer gone like yesterday. Only number that matters is 4-12. We can argue all day that he was or wasn’t the problem. At the end of the day though, he wasn’t a difference maker. He’s old, immobile and prone to the big mistake. Time to move on.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Dr Bob fighting the good fight!
Carry on
January 21st, 2013 at 6:06 pm
debo—4-12, 4-12, 4-12. blaming wins and losses on the qb is for housewives and dumb kids. u don’t have any more football complexity than that? nothing i can do to make u drink. but i led u to the water.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:09 pm
debo–plus u like the qb who kinda looks like u. i get it. but he sucks as a passer. better to hope we pick geno.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:10 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Dr Bob fighting the good fight!
Carry on
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it’s a dirty job but someone’s gotta do it.
happy MLK day!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Thanks Dr.
You too!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:19 pm
4-12 is 4-12, nothing to be proud of, Dr Dumbass
January 21st, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Neither is 8-8, KoolKell.
But, that’s all the Hubris disciples here trumpet.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:21 pm
wait but 4-12 is the same as 8-8…lol
January 21st, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Neither is 8-8, KoolKell.
But, that’s all the Hubris disciples here trumpet.
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It is when 8-8 is the Raiders best record in 10 years, Jackass.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:26 pm
4-12 — losers.
8-8 — losers.
Great thing about 2002?
Raiders were 11-5 and gas was $1.25 a gallon.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:28 pm
POTUS can’t dance!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:29 pm
4-12 = pathetic.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:30 pm
8 wins is a lot closer to a playoff berth than 4 wins.
Then 8 + 1 = 9
Get it?
January 21st, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Ryan Alfieri@ryanalf17
Had a commenter tell me yesterday that Dysert is a 7-round pick and EJ Manuel is a great prospect because of his 40 time….
January 21st, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Hmm….
“Proud of my husband and the Pats. By the way, if anyone is bored, please go to Ray Lewis’ Wikipedia page. 6 kids 4 wives. Acquitted for murder. Paid a family off. Yay. What a hall of fame player! A true role model!” Burns Welker said in a since-deleted post on her personal Facebook page.
Welker’s wife has since apologized to Ray Lewis and put the apology up on her Facebook…
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Damn! I bet Wes is shaking his head right now.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Reggie hiring Allen = rookie mistake.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Eric Galko@OptimumScouting
EJ Manuel, FSU QB, at 6043, 237 pounds, with 83+ inch wingspan
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January 21st, 2013 at 6:33 pm
KoolKell
May be in the minority here, but I hold the Raiders to a higher standard than 8-8. Always have, always will.
Raiders produce a winner when they’re record is over .500 for me.
Remember how irritated Al Davis was with Tom Cable’s “we’re not losers anymore” trumpeting with his 8-8 record?
That’s how I get when 8-8 is ‘amazing and fantastic’ to fellow Raider fans.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Allen hiring knapp = rookie mistake
January 21st, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Reggie not hiring Gruden last year = rookie mistake
January 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:33 pm
KoolKell
May be in the minority here, but I hold the Raiders to a higher standard than 8-8. Always have, always will.
Raiders produce a winner when they’re record is over .500 for me.
Remember how irritated Al Davis was with Tom Cable’s “we’re not losers anymore” trumpeting with his 8-8 record?
That’s how I get when 8-8 is ‘amazing and fantastic’ to fellow Raider fans.
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NOBODY said 8-8 is ” fantastic” you are exaggerating to make your point. But it is twice as good as 4-12.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm
It seems like the Oakland Raiders are always involved in some crazy scheme and this off-season is no different. Just days after the Philadelphia Eagles hired former Oregon Ducks head coach Chip Kelly, rumors have surfaced that Kelly is interested in trading for Raiders quarterback Terrelle Pryor. We said it was crazy.
Everyone keeps saying that Pryor “showed some promise” in his lone start in Week 17 of last season, a 24-21 loss to the San Diego Chargers in which he threw for 150 yards, two touchdowns and one interception while rushing for 49 yards and another score. It’s safe to say that pretty much anyone can throw for 150 yards against the Chargers’ 18th-ranked passing defense that gave up an average of 230 yards per game in 2012, so this isn’t some Hall-of-Fame-career-forecasting event.
Still, there’s a lot of speculation that Pryor could fit the spread option super fast offense Kelly is hoping to take from Oregon and employ in Philadelphia. Pryor put up some pretty good numbers while at Ohio State while running a lot of the option and it’s worked for Robert Griffin III and Colin Kaepernick, so why not? I’d never do it, but Kelly has a lot more guts than I do and he’s the one with the new five-year, $32.5 million deal.
If the Eagles do bring in Pryor, that will definitely be the end of Michael Vick‘s tenure there and it will put Nick Foles‘ future in jeopardy as well. It will also open up the doors for the Raiders to take a quarterback in the 2014 NFL Draft if they don’t take a flyer on a second-day pick this year (I don’t advise that). Pryor in Philly? Stranger things have happened, especially when the rumor involves the Raiders.
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January 21st, 2013 at 6:38 pm
reggie gone get those picks!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Check out this from PFT.
T.Brown is absolutely crucifying Callahan.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
January 21st, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Allen throwing coaches under the bus = sewage treatment plant
January 21st, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Allen and staff = ham and cheese omelette without ham and cheese
January 21st, 2013 at 6:42 pm
reggie trades pryor no one will be in oakland…no one!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Just cuz you put syrup on it don’t make it pancakes.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:42 pm
reggie trades pryor no one will be in oakland…no one!
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If that happens I hope it comes back to bite Reg in the ass. If Pryor goes to the Eagles he will have a coach who will build around him and make him better and I would love to see Pryor rip it up.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:48 pm
florio is an idiot…al always hired offensive guys because he controlled the defense…a change in off plan would have been callahans call all the way…
January 21st, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Morilla
That is some damning stuff from Timmy!
Now, if Gannon — or any player on the team at that time — comes out and corroborates Timmy’s stuff, wowsers!
January 21st, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Chip Kelly and Pryor would make a great fit. Almost hope Pryor goes there so the kid can play. Our track record developing QBs is nil. Pryors development will be Palmers doing or chip kellys. Sad.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:53 pm
The thing for me is not that the 8-8’s were “fantastic” it’s that we were in it till the last game with a chance for the playoffs.
Forget the record of 8-8, it’s that we were relevant…no matter what the record with a shot at getting back into the playoffs.
I have no delusions we would’ve made it to the SB, but for this team and org., just getting there would’ve been a huge step. No longer would we have to see us on the lists of teams that haven’t been to the playoffs in forever and all that goes with that dubious distinction.
Quite honestly, I think if our pos defense is able to hold SD at their 1 foot line we get the ball back and win that game. Most likely we win the playoff game we would’ve played at home the next wk against a beat up Pittsburgh team, and probably get annihilated the next wk at NE like Denver did, but we would’ve been in it
8-8 is lame, but it’s alot better than what we’ve got now.
It’s okay cuz we’re going 12-4 next yr.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:54 pm
I’ve heard and read several things about the Chip Kelly hire and its 50-50.
Media and NFL pundits alike either say it’s an outstanding hire because of Kelly’s sound offensive mind or it’s a disaster because Kelly has no prior NFL experience and may get swallowed by pro game.
Who knows.
One thing, Kelly got a monster contract: 5 years, $32.5 million.
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm
9-7 playoff days are over with manning in AFC west……..
January 21st, 2013 at 6:58 pm
What is up today?
Three-car pile up in Eureka followed by dude jumping off overpass and onto Highway 101 in Arcata.
Strange, very strange day.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm
9-7 playoff days are over with manning in AFC west……..
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So what?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:01 pm
i guess we have no chance now with 4-12…dayum…
January 21st, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Tim, what was Callahans reason for changing the game plan?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:01 pm
i guess we have no chance now with 4-12…dayum…
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If KC SD and Denver can go 3-12, we got it.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
I actually met a guy who was on the practice squad in that SB year for the Raiders and he told me 6 months ago that Callahan changed the game plan. Can’t believe I’m reading about TB saying it now. So it was true that the players blamed Callahan.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Going to be interesting what else — if anything — comes out from Tim Brown’s ’sabotage’ claim on Callahan.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
I actually met a guy who was on the practice squad in that SB year for the Raiders and he told me 6 months ago that Callahan changed the game plan. Can’t believe I’m reading about TB saying it now. So it was true that the players blamed Callahan.
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And Tim Brown proves that wideouts can suffer from post-career dementia as well.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:07 pm
During the SB game, one of the Raiders player was caught on the mic saying out loud why arent we running more. Can’t remember which player it was though.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
I actually met a guy who was on the practice squad in that SB year for the Raiders and he told me 6 months ago that Callahan changed the game plan. Can’t believe I’m reading about TB saying it now. So it was true that the players blamed Callahan.
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Can’t wait to hear Gannon tomorrow morning on Sirius.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:09 pm
RaiderDebo
Indeed.
Rich Gannon’s take on this will be plenty interesting
January 21st, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Nobody is saying 8-8 was fantastic. You guys know this. 8-8 after 7 or 8 yrs of 5-11, 4-12, 5-11 showed improvement and progress. We saw the offense jump from the 31st ranked unit in the NFL to the 6th ranked unit in Hue’s first year. Anyone who watched this team embarras itself to the tune of 11ppg year after year was excited by the instant transformation Hue brought and was looking forward to what this team could do with new and improved, proven coaches on D.
Of course we know that didn’t happen and the Raiders got rid of the one really good coach they’ve had since Gruden and went 4-12 because of it. All because of Mark’s insecurities, or so Reggie could claim credit because it was “his guy” who got us over the hump, or because Mark made a wild, cokeinduced decision, or because Reggie was intimidated by Hue.
Anyway you slice it, anyone who watched Reggie’s introductory press conference and saw anything but doom and the most ill-equipped leadership in all of pro sports was kidding themselves.-
January 21st, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Sources say Manti Te’o still high on Raiders Radar #Raiders
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He is worth nothing more than a 3rd rounder. If he’s taken in the 1st round, we will be drafting #1 overall next year.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:11 pm
The guy I knew was a db on the Raiders PS. And he told me that Robbins was actually ok to play on game day but Callahan refused to let him dress. Long story but he told me he was a db at New Mexico and ran in the 4.30’s. I told him his agent should have called AD and he said well yes I spent time there as a PS DB. Too effin funny.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm
9-7 playoff days are over with manning in AFC west……..
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So what?
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so 8-8 gets you nothin-thats what
January 21st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
That SB loss to the bucs devastated the Raiders till the Cable/ Hue era. Now, we’re back there again. If we don’t go 10-6 minimum this season, Gru will be back.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
I’d puke if we draft Manti. I hate him as a person. He was caught lying and Bama exposed his football skills.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:14 pm
manti is reggies guy…the writing is on the wall…
January 21st, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Maybe the mandate to change the game plan came from the league because the gate the raiders so much.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Say no to Manit. He’s either a complete moron or a total head case.
Or both.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
The Samoan Rolando McClain.
That’s how many of my friends classify Manti Te’o.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Say no to Manti. He’s either a complete moron or a total head case.
Or both.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Sounds like some guys are bigger fans of Pryor than of the raiders.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:17 pm
goodwin…wr texas…quicks
January 21st, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I believe it wasn’t up to the raiders to lose. The league gets embarrassed every time the raiders hoist the Lombardi.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
huge fan of Pryor here. Kid will have a long career in the NFL. We’re lucky to have him.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:18 pm
sounds like some guys are bigger fans of reggie than the raiders….
January 21st, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 6:55 pm
9-7 playoff days are over with manning in AFC west……..
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So what?
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so 8-8 gets you nothin-thats what
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Simplistic nonsense.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Manti teo is just a young kid who had an Internet girlfriend and was getting yanked around by some Internet clown as demented as some of the stooges on here.
Not really a big deal. He was duped. Then they made a big deal about it in the press. He didn’t know what to do. So he went with it. Just a youthful mistake.
Or he’s an egomaniacal plotter and schemer. Seemed more likely to be the first one.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Sounds like some guys are bigger fans of Pryor than of the raiders.
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Pryor will be good for the raiders. Letting him go would be like the Mariners letting AROD go or the Red Sox dealing Ruth. Bone headed management. Course we don’t have the coaches to develope him anyway.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:21 pm
he also made up three rbs running the ball at the same time for manti…
January 21st, 2013 at 7:23 pm
DA to pryor…”no terrelle…if you run 30 yards down the field, you will throw off the huddle timing…”
January 21st, 2013 at 7:24 pm
I love Tim brown but his story seems a little far fetched.
Callahan hated the raiders but accepted the head coach job only to throw the game?
And his plan to throw the game was by throwing a ton with the league MVP?
Really Tim?
Well the bucks were calling out the raiders plays. Hmm.
But it seems a lot more like Callahan panicked and changed the game plan.
Besides, they all know the plays. They know the play book. Just run them.
Weird story from Timmy.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:25 pm
i do agree callahan probably panicked…
January 21st, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Nobody is saying 8-8 was fantastic. You guys know this. 8-8 after 7 or 8 yrs of 5-11, 4-12, 5-11 showed improvement and progress. We saw the offense jump from the 31st ranked unit in the NFL to the 6th ranked unit in Hue’s first year. Anyone who watched this team embarras itself to the tune of 11ppg year after year was excited by the instant transformation Hue brought and was looking forward to what this team could do with new and improved, proven coaches on D.
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How many times must this be said before some of these folks realize we shot our self in the foot? Just confirms some folks here either have an agenda or dont know what the hell they are talking about(the casual fan).
January 21st, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Olson + Pryoe = ???
January 21st, 2013 at 7:29 pm
*Pryor
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
siplistic nonsense is thiking 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12. Especially when your payroll at 8-8 was the highest in the NFL and you mortgaged your future draft picks and next years budget.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Wait. The kid who recently threw for 47% and 150 yards is equatable to babe Ruth or Alex Rodriguez? For crying out loud. I know u guys like him but ur making ridiculous claims based on nothing. Priest said he would have thrown for 400 yards and ran for 200 yards if he played for the niners. This is the level of stupidity this board has reached. He throws for 150 yards and with “more development” he will do things no qb has ever done and be a hall of famer.
I think u guys are gonna feel pretty embarrassed later.
It’s like he’s a super hot chic or something. He has u “enchanted”.
My new name for Pryor. The “enchanter”.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:32 pm
This could be Mark Davis’ Legacy in Raider Land — the man who took hope for the Nation.
Only time will tell if this will indeed be Davis’ legacy, but, the immediate returns are not looking good.
Many here pinpoint Hubris’ dismissal as the catalyst to the destruction of the Silver and Black.
And whose decision was it to axe Hubris? — Mark Davis.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:31 pm
siplistic nonsense is thiking 8-8 is twice as good as 4-12. Especially when your payroll at 8-8 was the highest in the NFL and you mortgaged your future draft picks and next years budget.
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Word!
January 21st, 2013 at 7:33 pm
So if Shreg drafts Manti’s lying a$$, can we hire this guy to the next GM?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scot_McCloughan
January 21st, 2013 at 7:35 pm
I agree. Callahan probably just choked. Changed the game plan at the last minute while not bothering or thinking to change the verbiage against the former coach. Terrible job, but Tim’s suggested motive for Callahan to throw the game is a little crackers.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
on espn, talking about tebow:
jamele hill: i know we’re seeing a bit more of the spread option with rg3 and those guys, but i don’t even think for those guys, that it’s a long term solution.
herm edwards: 5 year career.
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They’ve been wrong before, and they will be wrong again.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Scot McCloughan was getting love from the ESPN guys for his work as Senior Personnel Executive with the Seahawks.
Dislike most of the ESPN guys… they said Scot was one of the main guys responsible for scouting and getting the team to pick Russell Wilson.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:38 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Scot McCloughan was getting love from the ESPN guys for his work as Senior Personnel Executive with the Seahawks.
Dislike most of the ESPN guys… they said Scot was one of the main guys responsible for scouting and getting the team to pick Russell Wilson.
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He is being given credit for putting the niners roster together.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 pm
What about the fact we went 8-8 with lesser QBs ( Campbell + Boller + Palmer learning on the fly vs. Palmer with a full offseason in the system) and only 6 games of McFadden while 4-12 had much more to work with and only got 4 wins because it had 3 games against the two worst teams in football.
Our 4-12 this year was a weak 4-12. Easily could’ve been worse. That’s right.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:42 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Indeed.
McCloughan is a master at player personnel. Reason he left San Fran was because of his drinking problem.
He went to rehab, sobered up and landed on his feet in Seattle.
Scot knows his players. He’ll probably end up a GM again down the line.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:43 pm
8-8 was probably more than twice as good as 4-12 when you think about it. This Raiders team should’ve had 10+ wins. That’s what I expected out of Hue and I was saying that before he was fired and through the entire 2012 offseason/preseason.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Scott Mcloughen is who many wanted Raiders to interview for GM
btw watching senior bowl practice.. U can see Reggie/ Joey Clicksdales standing right behind the OLINE/ DLINE drills one on one.
Okaefear vs Kyle Long.
Long still looks raw.. but OT ERIC FISHER looks good.
These dudes are HUUGGEEE and ATHLETIC
January 21st, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Kyle Long… that’s Howie’s other boy, right?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Sports is about Wins and losses.
8 wins is twice as good as 4 wins. Fans, casual and otherwise like more wins than losses.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:40 pm
What about the fact we went 8-8 with lesser QBs ( Campbell + Boller + Palmer learning on the fly vs. Palmer with a full offseason in the system) and only 6 games of McFadden while 4-12 had much more to work with and only got 4 wins because it had 3 games against the two worst teams in football.
Our 4-12 this year was a weak 4-12. Easily could’ve been worse. That’s right.
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Preach on bro.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Hoping McKenzie’s scouting unit can unearth diamonds Al Davis’ group did in the later rounds in terms of defensive lineman i.e. Grady Jackson, Rod Coleman.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Why would Callahan throw the big one when he coulda hoisted the Lombardi and been set for life?
January 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
It wont do any good but preach on.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:46 pm
ya its howies kid.
Kyle long has only played 1 year of D1 football and that was last year.
Played at a CC b4 Oregon and was at FLORIDA state as a baseball player b4 transfering
January 21st, 2013 at 7:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Sports is about Wins and losses.
8 wins is twice as good as 4 wins. Fans, casual and otherwise like more wins than losses.
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We were worse than 4-12.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Alex Dunlap@AlexDunlapNFL
#Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie meeting w/ Cornell OG JC Tretter.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Happy MLK Day, all.
Interesting how a serial adulterer can get his own national holiday.
I never understood that but I never will.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:53 pm
reality check- we havent been to playoffs for 10 years! who cares @8-8 when you have no draft picks, overpay wimbleys, palmers, seymours,kelleys, routts,.
I would have loved to hear the conversation with John Madden, Mark and Reggie about the reality and what had taken place and hwat needed to happen.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Draft Kyle Long. 1 year or not its in his blood.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Boy Chip Keely even comes to the NFL to get his man huh?
This guys has been after Pryor to play in his scheme since coming out of highschool. And he just happens to have the best chance to get him because of the dumbass slob we have as a GM.
Chip knows what everyone else has seen that a QB with Pryor size and athleticism is very hard to beat. And I would bet he will give up a significant trade to get him. He is going to put together something enough that our idiot GM will be stupid enough to think he’s getting a deal he cannot pass up.
Chip Kelly will walk away snickering thinking I really didn’t think he would bite……..lol
Reggie is an idiot and I can gaurantee he will be dumb enough to make this move if Mark doesn’t stop him. Reggie is soo arrogant with his picks that he will think whatevr he is losing he is good enough to make up for.
This will NOT bite Reggie in the ass at all but it will bite the Oakland Raiders for years to come. Reggie will just lose his job and go back to being what he really is anyway “a scout”. However the Oakland Raiders will be made to suffer watching Pryor rip up the league and kill the Raiders everytime he sees them.
Reggie has cost us a lot a headway so far and he is getting ready to pull off the gaff of his career. And cost us any chance of respectability for the next 5 years. THis idiot I gaurantee you would prefer to have Tyler Bray than Terrelle Pryor. And we can watch Tyler Bray fail while Pryor soars for the next 10 years.
Reggie is soo freaking stupid if we had hired Jim Harbaugh he would’ve fired him for his”Own Guy”.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Priesttj12
Reggie McKenzie talk to Chip Kelly and Eagles’ management about a potential trade for Terrelle Pryor and McKenzie will matter-of-factly ask for nothing less than a first round pick in return.
And, bam, deal is dead.
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Mr. Marcel Reece a pro-bowler for the Raiders.
BTW, when was the last Raider as an offensive player in the probowl anyway?So
January 21st, 2013 at 7:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Scott Mcloughen is who many wanted Raiders to interview for GM
btw watching senior bowl practice.. U can see Reggie/ Joey Clicksdales standing right behind the OLINE/ DLINE drills one on one.
Okaefear vs Kyle Long.
Long still looks raw.. but OT ERIC FISHER looks good.
These dudes are HUUGGEEE and ATHLETIC
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Fisher dominated in drills today…Clink & Reggie. The 2 chumbawumba’s better be doing their homework this week.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:01 pm
If, IF, Eagles-Chip Kelly look into a trade for Pryor, McKenzie’s price should be very steep.
He can tell Philly in order to get their franchise QB, that is what Kelly and Eagles will view Pryor as, they need to give up no less than a first-round pick with late round picks thrown in.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:02 pm
on PFT……Tim Brown suggests “sabotage” by Bill Callahan in Super Bowl XXXVII
wow….i read ALL raider stories and I have never heard that one…incredible interesting story….essentially they game planned all week to run it down the bucs throat…and on the friday before the game changed the plan to thro 60 times…..which sent barret robbins off the deep edge because he couldnt change that fast without any practice
the intersting part about that is I recall the raiders played the bucs a season or 2 before that and did indeed run it down their throats for a hugh blowout
January 21st, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford
5090 216 8.38 29.58
Mon: Best back on the field. Practiced with great vision, instinct and had a burst. Flashes suddenness with his ability to explode through the hole. Terrific pass catcher out of the backfield. Showed a complete game.”
Thats the back i want or Eddie Lacy
Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas
6021 218 8.58 31
Mon: Had his moments and threw some terrific passes that were on the money. Also tossed one very bad pick in full scrimmage.
.J. Manuel QB Florida State
6043 227 10.1 35
Mon: Had the best arm of any quarterback in attendance. Shows great speed and power on his passes. Got the ball through the tight spots and made some brilliant NFL passes. On the other hand sprayed a lot of throws. Incredible upside but needs a lot of work.
Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
6035 221 9.00 32.18
Mon: Up and down practice but for the most part struggled. Made a few nice passes yet mostly had receivers leaving their feet or reaching backwards to grab the errant throw.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Pass on all these qbs except GENO smith if u really think he is ur guy.
Keep working with PRYOR
January 21st, 2013 at 8:07 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Priesttj12
Reggie McKenzie talk to Chip Kelly and Eagles’ management about a potential trade for Terrelle Pryor and McKenzie will matter-of-factly ask for nothing less than a first round pick in return.
And, bam, deal is dead.
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Reggie aint smart enough to ask for a 1st man……….lol
And I’ll tell ya’ Chip might do it if he did. You hav eto understand how badly this guy wants Pryor especially after seeing what Kappy has done at this level. I bet you he knows Pryor is the better player, and I agree. People look at Kappy as if their isn’t another like him…….haha wait til Chip gets his hands on Pryor. It’ll be all over………period
January 21st, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Priesttj12
Man, if Kelly is desperate for Pryor, and I’m McKenzie, I’d ask for the Carson Palmer special!
Two 1st rounders, a 2nd with a fifth, sixth and seventh rounder thrown in!
January 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Lol. The “enchanter” has u guys silly. Priest think chip kelly has such a crush on Pryor that he held a torch for him for five years and now left Oregon to go to Philly, all so he could hope to get his guy.
Serious question: what if it comes out that Pryor has a small dick? A lot u guys will be crushed.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Jus checked Veldheer and Wiz contracts they are going to be in their last year of their contracts, how the eff we going to keep both?
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what do you mean…how are you going to keep both….are you talking about money, cap, shiitty coaching staff………..whats your point?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Trade Pryor to Philadelphia for their first; in a heartbeat!
Draft Warmack #3 overall followed by Joeckel 4th overall.
Make it happen Reggie.
Swap McClain and Kelly for Vick as well.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Stanford running back Stepfan Taylor (5-9, 216) is obviously a regular in the weight room. He is a little shorter than expected, but that doesn’t really matter since it makes Taylor more compact. He is a good sleeper to keep an eye on and could be this year’s Doug Martin. The Tampa Bay rookie used last year’s Senior Bowl to skyrocket up draft boards.
Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher (6-7, 305) has good length with the frame to add more weight. His arms were a solid 34 inches and if can gain 15-20 pounds, he would be close to ideal measurements for a left tackle. Fisher was trim, so his conditioning looks good, and now he could just use some more bulk
N.C. State quarterback Mike Glennon (6-6, 220) is extremely thin and undefined. People have made fun of Peyton Manning for a less-than-impressive body over the years, so Glennon doesn’t exactly need to be a specimen. However he could use some more muscle on his frame to protect himself from injury. Glennon looks like he’s put in a concerted effort to avoid the weight room.
SMU defensive end Margus Hunt (6-8, 277) is an absolute beast. Not only does he have great measurements, but he carries the weight extremely well. He is very built with a strong core and no flab. Hunt generated some murmurs when he was on stage.
via walterfootball
January 21st, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Via walterfootball
Oregon OLB/Pass Rusher DION JORDAN would be at senior bowl if not for Injury.. would be on Raiders North Squad.
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would have been good for Reggie to see him up close
January 21st, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Dr_robert
My responses to the Pryor-trade-to-Eagles scenario should indicate how seriously I take the notion.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:16 pm
anybody who thinks anyone is going to give up a 1st round pick for pryor is on crack and needs to seek help immediatly
January 21st, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Doc, I have a question for you. It’s not a personal attack or a set-up. It’s just having scanned the posts for this story, why is it that you continue to engage Mistic1 in bouts of contention?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:19 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Scot McCloughan was getting love from the ESPN guys for his work as Senior Personnel Executive with the Seahawks.
Dislike most of the ESPN guys… they said Scot was one of the main guys responsible for scouting and getting the team to pick Russell Wilson.
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Scot is the eldest son of our longtime scout Kent McCloughan and brother of our present super scout David McCloughan who was drafted by Mr Davis out of Mich. Uni. as a DB. David whom I use edto spend time with when he was with the Raiders is a absolute genius when it comes to selecting DB’s.
Scot and David Biult the Forty Niners that are in teh SB this year. Scot was responsible for biulding that defense. Then he goes to Seattle and essentially repeats his mastery there. I used to talk a lot with the father Kent and Jon Kingdon with the Raiders. AS I look at the scouting dept for the Oakland Raiders we’re stocked with great scouts top to bottom.
However Reggie and DA have the last say in who we will ultimately draft.
My earlier point is if Reggie isn’t smart enough to know he has a diamond in the rough in Pryor. He wont have him long because I can gaurantee you Chip Kelly isn’t the only sly fox looking rip Pryor away from Reggie’s unsuspecting eyes.
Reggie needs to prove he is as astute as those who persuaded Mark to hire him said he was. Reggie has to know when to say when or else this will be a breeding ground for smarter GM’s to send Reggie some PICKS for great players.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Serious question: what if it comes out that Pryor has a small dick? A lot u guys will be crushed.
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WTF? You need to go, seriously.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:22 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Priesttj12
Man, if Kelly is desperate for Pryor, and I’m McKenzie, I’d ask for the Carson Palmer special!
Two 1st rounders, a 2nd with a fifth, sixth and seventh rounder thrown in!
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Actually that’s the Cutler special. 2 firsts and a 3rd plus a bonafide starting QB. Palmers deal actually pales in comparison to Cutlers.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Alex Dunlap@AlexDunlapNFL
#Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie meeting w/ Cornell OG JC Tretter.
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JC Tretter is a projected 4th rounder.
22yrs.
6′-4″
302lbs.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
tim brown speaks out: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
January 21st, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Serious question: what if it comes out that Pryor has a small dick? A lot u guys will be crushed.
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What the fck yall got going in Sunnyvale? What ever it is I dont like it.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Scourge–don’t u know? I gave it up for my MLK day resolution!
January 21st, 2013 at 8:30 pm
man reggie str8 up looks like Ice cube in that hood movie.
Black Raider pull over..
black glasses
Black La Style Raider hat haha
January 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Priestt, Pryor aint goin nowhere, Mark will see to that, thats his boy imo and wants to see him on the field this up coming season.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Don’t luagh at the story Tim Brown laid out, there are some serious ring of truth to it. Everyone close to Raiders knows Callahan wasn’t enthralled with the oakland raiders. he waas the one who called them “the dumbest team in america”. Which still doesn’t sit well with the great players that were on that squad like Romo, Rice, Woodson, Brown and some selcet others Gannon included.
I happen to know they (trestman and Callahan) chnaged the offense dramatically that offseason after the SB loss. Which left several offensive players baffled and Callahan’s berating them in practice to adjust to an ever expanding playbook to the players frustration. They had just went to the SB and the playbook was changed dramatically.
As far as Big Al meddling with the offense is a very hard to believe his expertise was on defense. To change that gameplan on a Friday would be suicidal so if it was indeed altered it could ONLY come from Trestman or Callahan or both…………period
January 21st, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Eastoak–it’s not what I have? U guys gave a crush that is scary. I’ve seen guys take a qb that passed rainbow ducks to the tune of 46% and 150 yards with a 70.8 rating, and claim if he was on the niners he would have passed for 400 and run for 200 (never close to having been done in nfl history) and that he was like a football version of babe Ruth and Alex Rodriguez.
That’s love dude.
Like, crazy blind I’d-do-anything-to-be-with-him love.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Really feel like Desmond Trufant CB out of Washington
and
Pover Corner back out of Oregon STate could be on the Raiders next year.
TRUFANT is a Muthf’r in practic right now.. just sticking to him man like fly on shizz
Pover is a playmaker..NFL network said like Tyrann Mathieu .. only he is more clean cut
January 21st, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Doc, I’m being serious. Do you think you can ever give it up?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
I wouldn’t mind trading down far enough to get our lost picks and then pick up Eric Fischer….dude dominated today……
January 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
As much as I would do backflips if Pryor turned out to be this Kaepernick type QB I don’t know where everyone is getting this from.
What have I missed? I’ve seen the highlights, I watched the preseason games, I watched thew SD game, heck…I saw him in person at Camp Randall in Madison face a tough Wisconsin team and i’m just not seeing where he has shown he can pass even a 1/4 of what a guy like RG3 or Cam Newton or Kaepernick has.
He did show some cool stuff like running for a first when under duress…making something out of nothing, and I also give him credit for a few nice throws and I think his stats SHOULD have been 17-28 with 3 td’s.
Let’s be honest. That is NOT bad for a first start in the NFL.
I’m just not seeing this lazer like accuracy being spoken of. I’d love to. Maybe we will in preseason.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Yep and Oregon State Jordan Poyer had a good day.
he looks like steph curry to haha
January 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
well…it looks like reggie and DA whiffed again…..juan castillo will be the ravens running came coordinator next year…..not the raiders OL coach
January 21st, 2013 at 8:38 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Priestt, Pryor aint goin nowhere, Mark will see to that, thats his boy imo and wants to see him on the field this up coming season.
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IMO that is the only hope we have, I don’t trust Reggie one lil-bit. He is a draftnik at heart and a GM wannabe he likes picks at his own demise if necessary. I’m not sure he actually understands HOW to biuld a team. He will do anything to get more PICKS……..lol
That is just how I see him, clueless!!
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Btw, I’m not sure I love MLK having his own day. There are t any others that have a day. Not even presidents anymore. Only holidays dealing with religion or war vets.
I never really considered it before. I mean he did great things and salute him. But I think I would have rather seen a civil rights day.
But he showed the Christian teachings of love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek work wonders. Powerful ideas that revolutionized the country.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm
I simply said give Pryor more time, I’m not going to judge him on 1 game with split reps and his first ever real NFL action. Under the circumstances Pryor looked ok and with a bit more seasoning and the right OC the guy could be what we’ve been waiting for.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:41 pm
i bet the majority on this site believe if pryor was the starter next year we would be doomed……but then again most on this site believe if DA is the coach we will be doomed……….eh…what the hell let pryor rip
January 21st, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Scourge–it’s done.
I reserve the right to make an occasional joke. But he is beyond help at this juncture. A broken record that recharges every night no matter what happens. He still thinks Pryor is in the plans even with Olson being hired and everything pointing to him NOT starting. But he just keeps going. Like the little black nazi energizer bunny.
But honestly. I am on full ignore with him. It’s not he will be saying anything new.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Priestt Reggie hasnt been a GM long enough to make those type of statements about him this is his first off season as a GM, relax.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I’ve said it many times. I like Pryor. But I saw a bad passer and great runner. It’s not like I’m an 80 year old southerner that thinks all black qb’s should be wrs. Just this one.
January 21st, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:50 pm
I’ve said it many times. I like Pryor. But I saw a bad passer and great runner. It’s not like I’m an 80 year old southerner that thinks all black qb’s should be wrs. Just this one.
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the sad part is he could be a damn good WR
January 21st, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Criminal Element Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
tim brown speaks out: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
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I find this unfathomable however, could this lend credence to what a mic’ed up john lynch said during the game?
January 21st, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Doc, I’m generally skeptical of giving any one individual his/her own national holiday. While the Rev. Dr. may have done and said some good things, it seems he couldn’t keep his hands off other women. If he was single/divorced, it might be different. I find it difficult that the foremost Black religious leader of his time is almost deified while seeming to violate one of his religion’s most sacred principles. What kind of role model does it make him given some of the difficulties facing the Black family today. That’s what I have trouble with regarding the notion of MLK Day. If he had been faithful to his wife, I might share your viewpoint.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:02 pm
John F Kennedy was a very well known philanderer. We all know this, yet how many schools are named after him and how often is he quoted?
Strong leader during the Cuban missile crisis and a bastion of civil rights.
Clinton had his issues …. juicy fat chicks being one of them.
All the great leaders are flawed to some degree.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Thec Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Criminal Element Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:25 pm
tim brown speaks out: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/
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I find this unfathomable however, could this lend credence to what a mic’ed up john lynch said during the game?
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Thec, I bet Rich Gannon’s asking the same questions…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:04 pm
My earlier point is if Reggie isn’t smart enough to know he has a diamond in the rough in Pryor. He wont have him long because I can gaurantee you Chip Kelly isn’t the only sly fox looking rip Pryor away from Reggie’s unsuspecting eyes.
Reggie needs to prove he is as astute as those who persuaded Mark to hire him said he was. Reggie has to know when to say when or else this will be a breeding ground for smarter GM’s to send Reggie some PICKS for great players.
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Priest, Mcken is dumb as F….
He hired DA, thats all you need to know…
Both will flame out, and I hope they send him packin when we have another 4-12, 5-11 season.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:05 pm
883.dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Btw, I’m not sure I love MLK having his own day. There are t any others that have a day. Not even presidents anymore. Only holidays dealing with religion or war vets.
I never really considered it before. I mean he did great things and salute him. But I think I would have rather seen a civil rights day.
But he showed the Christian teachings of love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek work wonders. Powerful ideas that revolutionized the country.
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A few years back there was this racist redneck down here who called in to the radio station when they were discussing MLK and his importance in history.
The old redneck said “the only thing I don’t like about King is that he was just one man. If they woulda shot four more of’em we coulda had the whole week off.”
January 21st, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Thec, I bet Rich Gannon’s asking the same questions…
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check into callaway’s bank statements…Follow the money.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:07 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:05 pm
883.dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Btw, I’m not sure I love MLK having his own day. There are t any others that have a day. Not even presidents anymore. Only holidays dealing with religion or war vets.
I never really considered it before. I mean he did great things and salute him. But I think I would have rather seen a civil rights day.
But he showed the Christian teachings of love thy neighbor and turn the other cheek work wonders. Powerful ideas that revolutionized the country.
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A few years back there was this racist redneck down here who called in to the radio station when they were discussing MLK and his importance in history.
The old redneck said “the only thing I don’t like about King is that he was just one man. If they woulda shot four more of’em we coulda had the whole week off.”
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I wanna say that was Bubba the Love Sponge. He was either suspended or fired for that one.
I remember there being a lot of buzz about that in the radio world.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Doc, I believe ya…up to a point. You know your “occasional joke” will just trigger a response. Will you be up to ignoring it?
While it’s your “right” to post the occasional joke if you want, I ask you to seriously consider *not* doing it. I have read your explanation several times regarding telling certain jokes in the presence of your Black friends and having them laugh and seem alright with it. Have you ever considered that those particular friends really would rather not hear it and let it pass as just “Doc being ol’ Doc.” They may just not tell you so in order to avoid putting you off.
My point is that if you think that telling the occasional off-color joke is not somewhat hurtful to others, it may actually tell others you might be what you say you’re not.
Again, this isn’t a personal attack or a set-up for someone else to knock you with. We’ve a good football conversation or two in the past, late at night, with a few others, and I’ve seen you engage others in many good football-oriented exchanges. The opportunity cost of your exchanges with Mistic1 are those good exchanges.
I’m done. I won’t bug you any more about it. I just ask that you genuinely reconsider the “occasional joke.” And I apologize in advance if I come across as offending you. It certainly is not my intention.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 8:37 pm
As much as I would do backflips if Pryor turned out to be this Kaepernick type QB I don’t know where everyone is getting this from.
What have I missed? I’ve seen the highlights, I watched the preseason games, I watched thew SD game, heck…I saw him in person at Camp Randall in Madison face a tough Wisconsin team and i’m just not seeing where he has shown he can pass even a 1/4 of what a guy like RG3 or Cam Newton or Kaepernick has.
He did show some cool stuff like running for a first when under duress…making something out of nothing, and I also give him credit for a few nice throws and I think his stats SHOULD have been 17-28 with 3 td’s.
Let’s be honest. That is NOT bad for a first start in the NFL.
I’m just not seeing this lazer like accuracy being spoken of. I’d love to. Maybe we will in preseason.
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LOL what a joke! Lazer like accuarcy? who said that? I haven’t seen that from Kappy?
Pryor is as good a passer as he needs to be to be great at the position Russ Wilson doesn’t have “lazer like accuracy” nor does Andrew Luck.
The two SB QB’s don’t have “Lazer Like accuracy”………you guys need to stop..period
January 21st, 2013 at 9:10 pm
The two SB QB’s don’t have “Lazer Like accuracy”………you guys need to stop..period
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This place is the fckin excuse mill…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Mattie Ice played as well as you can play and it took him 4 years to win a playoff game and he gets beat at HOME with the SB on the line. Winning is one thing, throwing great passes is great but if you can’t win games what the hell good is it?
January 21st, 2013 at 9:14 pm
This is Reggie’s first ‘real’ offseason with his own scouting team – last year was Al’s scouts. Time will tell if Reggie, clone and co. can do the job.
Should be interesting..
January 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Mattie Ice played as well as you can play and it took him 4 years to win a playoff game and he gets beat at HOME with the SB on the line. Winning is one thing, throwing great passes is great but if you can’t win games what the hell good is it?
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Its all about the perfectly throw spiril, and “laser like accuracy”…ROFLMAO…All the traits the INT ATM has and yet has NEVER won a playoff game.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Trade Reggie and Allen to Philadelphia for Namndi Asamaugh.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Mattie Ice played as well as you can play and it took him 4 years to win a playoff game and he gets beat at HOME with the SB on the line. Winning is one thing, throwing great passes is great but if you can’t win games what the hell good is it?
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Without the refs letting Bowman get away with a frikin mugging on 4th down – we wouldn’t be having that conversation.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:18 pm
899,
Priest. You are so over the top defensive about Pryor it’s ridiculous. Did u even read what I said about him? I was complimenting him.
As a Raider fan all I want is for us to win. From what i’ve seen from Pryor hasn’t convinced me he can throw the ball anywhere near the level we are seeing from the ones I mentioned.
I said also we need to see more of him and you respond almost insanely to anything even remotely resembling any thing other than that he is this elite qb just waiting to be released on the league.
Anyone that says I want ANYTHING OTHER than the Raiders to win games can friggin bite me and has no clue.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm
scary talk in here…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:20 pm
904 i will cosign that!
January 21st, 2013 at 9:20 pm
I like CP however, will he ever win a playoff game?
January 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm
from espn / Grantland writer Bill Barnwell:
“Matt Ryan… Can you believe how well he played against one of the league’s best pass defenses? You know, the same unit that had Aaron Rodgers looking furious amid a stream of checkdowns for most of the game last week? Ryan threw for 396 yards and three touchdowns, averaging 9.4 yards per attempt while completing in excess of 71 percent of his passes.
Nobody has had a game like that all season against the 49ers except for Russell Wilson, and Wilson only played that well on half as many dropbacks as Ryan. He lost his starting halfback during the game and basically had no running game to work with”
January 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Post 904, thats not a fair trade, we will need to throw in a 5th, and a 6th to even it out.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:02 pm
[snip]
All the great leaders are flawed to some degree.
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What you say is true. I just wish we held our “great leaders” to a higher standard.
For me, the thing with MLK is that he is held out as *the* great leader for African-Americans. If only there were more that had the same acclaim. I’m *not* saying there aren’t more Blacks that are equally worthy. We Whites have so many more “great leaders” to refer to, but Blacks seem to have only MLK. I wish they had more with the same stature as MLK has today (but without the national holiday). I guess I better stop or I’ll be labelled with the “r” word.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:23 pm
if you blame Ryan for losing, you’re blaming Ryan for…
-WR Douglas tripping over his feet on what should have been the game-clinching TD pass
-Atlanta D going soft with 17 point lead and giving up two easy scores before the half.
If any of those two things change (Ryan having no say in them) we’re talking about how Ryan has turned the corner. Weird to blame him based on what others do or don’t do. Wins are a team stat.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:19 pm
scary talk in here…
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lol…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm
So what you’re not convinced, No issue with that at all It’s your “lazer Like accuracy” comment. No one has even insenuated the kid has some lazer like accuracy, that’s just stupid.
Pryor is a competitor and he has very good accuracy when he is on. Yes he can be streaky but the kid is a wwork in progress I have said that before we ever drafted the kid that he needs to be coached up. You people seem to expect him to be the finished product right out of the gate. It’s STUPID Pryor needs developing just like any other QB. Accuracy comes with great consistent mechanics and reps. Just like Kappy has had to do. The same as Russ Wilson had to do and Luck as well.
To expect this kid to start one game and throw to rec’s he doesn’t even know with “lazer like accuracy” is freakin moronic………..period
January 21st, 2013 at 9:26 pm
watch. fake raider “fans” after the super bowl will say:
1) Kaep was exposed! I knew they’d lose. Went up against a real D. Now that D has film on him…(blah blah blah)
or
2) I knew Flacco was over-rated! He’s been riding this (15th-ranked) dominant Ravens D the last few years. He’s average!
Always in hind-sight, to be always “right.”
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Re: Ray Lewis
You have to hand it to ole Ray. He knows the way the “game” is played: give the media a great story (a changed man) and do it all in front of the camera; do your DANCE while all the while being nice to kids and autograph seekers; lead the home crowd in cheers; praise the Almighty; speak of your devotion to your team; say “All things are possible; get on your knees; allow every interview…and remember that in all these, allow the camera to record it all.
Do these things and the media will enshrine you, will forget your dark past, will stop asking questions about the money, the pay-off, the case, the dead people. Yeah, our media, the lost cause of a once-great republic, has gone soft. They don’t ask questions of anyone as long as you give ‘em pictures and a good story to tell.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Pryor, after YEARS of practicing with his WRs.
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
No other legit NFL QB had that many terrible games in college. NO OTHER.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Priesttj12, talk to some of your folks regarding the callaway issue… This thing with Timmah may grow legs.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
ray is still a criminal in my mind…
January 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Gdog–sure. If ur convinced a guy is a game changer, then don’t let him get snagged by another team cuz u thought he wasn’t slotted till later. Definitely. Just like Dhb and Mitchell. Just kidding.
But we need picks. Lots of them. And if the guy u think is best is likely to at around the 9 or 10 spot, it’s smart to trade down a few spots and collect picks.
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In theory this sounds great. But if you can build a great team by accumulating picks out of the top 15… NE would have the greatest team ever built.
Thats all they have been doing since their third ring and what do they have to show for it? The best regular season team in NFL history and no rings. A very deep team with no top end.
No thanx.
This is hopefully the last time we pick in the top ten for quite some time… I don’t want more picks. I want a FOR SURE difference maker right now.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm
“To expect this kid to start one game and throw to rec’s he doesn’t even know with “lazer like accuracy” is freakin moronic………..period”
Well now, if the receivers he was working with were the only problem, I’d be happy (after all, our receivers are hardly the greatest), but his inability to hit a moving target has more than nagged him in training camp and his not understanding of when to zip it (if he even can….with accuracy) and when to loft it with touch is not instinctive to him and you have to worry about someone who’s already in the pros who can’t do these things yet.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Scourge Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:02 pm
[snip]
All the great leaders are flawed to some degree.
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What you say is true. I just wish we held our “great leaders” to a higher standard.
For me, the thing with MLK is that he is held out as *the* great leader for African-Americans. If only there were more that had the same acclaim. I’m *not* saying there aren’t more Blacks that are equally worthy. We Whites have so many more “great leaders” to refer to, but Blacks seem to have only MLK. I wish they had more with the same stature as MLK has today (but without the national holiday). I guess I better stop or I’ll be labelled with the “r” word.
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Scourge we have enough leaders, let it rest. If you were to hold YOUR great leaders to higher standards you wouldn’t have any.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:21 pm
from espn / Grantland writer Bill Barnwell:
“Matt Ryan… Can you believe how well he played against one of the league’s best pass defenses? You know, the same unit that had Aaron Rodgers looking furious amid a stream of checkdowns for most of the game last week? Ryan threw for 396 yards and three touchdowns, averaging 9.4 yards per attempt while completing in excess of 71 percent of his passes.
Nobody has had a game like that all season against the 49ers except for Russell Wilson, and Wilson only played that well on half as many dropbacks as Ryan. He lost his starting halfback during the game and basically had no running game to work with”
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Blew 20 point lead and barely escaped.
Blew 17 point lead and wasnt as fortunate.
Stop making excuses guys like Joe Montana, and Elway and other greats win that game…. period.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
shutdown Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:31 pm
“To expect this kid to start one game and throw to rec’s he doesn’t even know with “lazer like accuracy” is freakin moronic………..period”
Well now, if the receivers he was working with were the only problem, I’d be happy (after all, our receivers are hardly the greatest), but his inability to hit a moving target has more than nagged him in training camp and his not understanding of when to zip it (if he even can….with accuracy) and when to loft it with touch is not instinctive to him and you have to worry about someone who’s already in the pros who can’t do these things yet.
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That’s your opinion BOY!
January 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Gdog,
well said. I was thinking about New England’s constant trading down also. Wonder how many stars they’ve traded for solid but unspectacular depth guys.
The players the Browns got for Julio Jones? Nada. Bunch of roster filler.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Eastoak
Crazy!! All this time I thought it was the Falcons DEFENSE that blew those 20 and 17 point leads the last two weeks.
And Ryan that had to keep launching passes at 70% completions against the top 2 D’s in the league.
Silly me. Ryan blew those leads. Of course.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Pryor, after YEARS of practicing with his WRs.
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
No other legit NFL QB had that many terrible games in college. NO OTHER.
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We know this already. You’ve posted it like a hundred times. Not so sure I believe it tho.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
EastOak
did you see Manning blow that lead in the final minute vs the Ravens?
Haha, Jacoby Jones just BLEW right by him in coverage. What a loser.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Thec Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Priesttj12, talk to some of your folks regarding the callaway issue… This thing with Timmah may grow legs.
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Tim wouldn’t have elaborated if those proverbial legs weren’t already there. This is an old story that has just been brought to light. They have been suspicious about it for years.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:38 pm
BillyBob
the reality of what has happened, and the documentation of it,
changes not
whether you believe it or not
(ps it takes 25 seconds to find those facts)
January 21st, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:25 pm
So what you’re not convinced, No issue with that at all It’s your “lazer Like accuracy” comment. No one has even insenuated the kid has some lazer like accuracy, that’s just stupid.
Pryor is a competitor and he has very good accuracy when he is on. Yes he can be streaky but the kid is a wwork in progress I have said that before we ever drafted the kid that he needs to be coached up. You people seem to expect him to be the finished product right out of the gate. It’s STUPID Pryor needs developing just like any other QB. Accuracy comes with great consistent mechanics and reps. Just like Kappy has had to do. The same as Russ Wilson had to do and Luck as well.
To expect this kid to start one game and throw to rec’s he doesn’t even know with “lazer like accuracy” is freakin moronic………..period
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Somebody said “lazer like accuracy” or something very similar. If not those exact words. It must not have been you.
Like I said, I give Pryor alot more credit than alot of guys in here for the game at SD. Really he SHOULD have been 17-28 with about 200 yds passing and 49 rushing with 3 td’s. THAT is a real good 1st game as a pro.
If he was going to be our guy at qb I would want him to have the same kind of impact that Wilson had in Seattle, or Kaepernick is having in SF. If we can’t expect that from him right away, than aren’t we saying he is not as good as those guys?
January 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Gruden knew without the edge he got there was no way they win that game. We have all wondered about the connection to Robbins going AWOL. We have always thought Gruden put someone up to it. The week of the SB the talk was all week the Bucs couldn’t stop our run game and somehow Robbins of all people goes AWOL the one guy we couldn’t afford to lose.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
anyone that thinks that 52 other players and 12 coaches robbed of a legit Super Bowl opportunity
stayed quiet after the humiliating loss
stayed quiet after they left the Raiders
stayed quiet after they retired from the NFL
and stayed quiet after Al Davis passed away
sigh. The stereotypical Raider fan.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Interesting about Long and Okafor lined up against each other today. I’ll have to check that out. Right now my early wish for the draft, assuming Joeckel is gone, would be to trade down and take Okafor in the mid-first- and Long with the additional pick. My gut feeling is that Okafor is maybe the best pass rushing DE in this draft.
Long would be somewhat of a legacy pick but also a classic Al Davis upside, sky’s the limit tpe pick. Supposedly Howie and Chris Long say he’s hands down the best athlete in the family.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Bucs were ranked #5 against the run that year.
Raiders averaged a terrible 2 yards per carry on over 10 carries in the 1st half.
Not that facts matter to you people.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
DJ I’m getting tired of explaining this kid to you guys. So think whatever makes your boat float……period
January 21st, 2013 at 9:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Gdog,
well said. I was thinking about New England’s constant trading down also. Wonder how many stars they’ve traded for solid but unspectacular depth guys.
The players the Browns got for Julio Jones? Nada. Bunch of roster filler.
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EXACTLY! The NE Patriots have drafted two players in the top 10 since 1997. Those two players? Richard Seymour and Jerod Mayo.
Two grand slams.
If we trade down lets not go further down then top ten… and even then I will be nervous.
If we trade down and still get Warmack… I will be doing cartwheels.
But what happens if we trade down and someone else decides to have an all-pro guard for the next ten years?
We pick a couple of roster depth players and say OH WELL???
January 21st, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:42 pm
DJ I’m getting tired of explaining this kid to you guys. So think whatever makes your boat float……period
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Sweet.
You can stop now.
You have only posted 5000 posts about the greatness of Pryor and how many minds have you changed?
ZERO.
Give it up dude. Your posts are as enjoyable as a bleach enema. MOVE ON TO A DIFFERENT SUBJECT! You love Pryor and think he should start next season game one. WE GET IT!
January 21st, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Raider fans who think QBs win or lose games:
“Did you guys see that over-rated Drew Brees lose so many games this year? That guy played some turrrrrrible defense! Blew lead after lead after lead. I can’t believe that guy is considered “elite”!
And Aaron Rodgers? Ha. Over-rated! Russell Wilson went nuts on Rodgers, setting an NFL record for playoff yards by a QB. Should be Aaron Rogers with how little D he played.”
January 21st, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Priestt has hitched his wagon to Jamarcus, DHB, Mike Mitchell, and Pryor.
He thought the DMac pick was the worst of all those.
I honestly HOPE he’s a troll, otherwise it’s sad.
night all.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Gruden knew without the edge he got there was no way they win that game. We have all wondered about the connection to Robbins going AWOL. We have always thought Gruden put someone up to it. The week of the SB the talk was all week the Bucs couldn’t stop our run game and somehow Robbins of all people goes AWOL the one guy we couldn’t afford to lose.
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TJ, to be honest i never heard such a thing however, I allways wondered about BRob, and also the comment from Lynch.
Would be worth asking ya intel guys what they think.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:50 pm
When Pryor gets a fair shot, haters should quit hating. Give the guy a honest chance. Besides, game 16 showed more promise than doubt. Why is it so hard to give the guy a chance? Can you see the future? Doubt it.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Priest,
When I wrote about the “great leaders” we Whites supposedly have, my intention was to suggest that I don’t consider them great, hence the quotation marks.
As you wish, I will drop it.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Thec Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Gruden knew without the edge he got there was no way they win that game. We have all wondered about the connection to Robbins going AWOL. We have always thought Gruden put someone up to it. The week of the SB the talk was all week the Bucs couldn’t stop our run game and somehow Robbins of all people goes AWOL the one guy we couldn’t afford to lose.
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TJ, to be honest i never heard such a thing however, I allways wondered about BRob, and also the comment from Lynch.
Would be worth asking ya intel guys what they think.
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Sure, it wouldn’t hurt. If I get something worth telling, I will.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:54 pm
“That’s your opinion BOY!”
Yeah, it is, and back at you, BOY…little, little boy.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:26 pm
watch. fake raider “fans” after the super bowl will say:
1) Kaep was exposed! I knew they’d lose. Went up against a real D. Now that D has film on him…(blah blah blah)
or
2) I knew Flacco was over-rated! He’s been riding this (15th-ranked) dominant Ravens D the last few years. He’s average!
Always in hind-sight, to be always “right.”
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I hate to say it but if I had to bet I would bet on the 9ers to win, their O just seems unstoppable, go after Kappy and Gore kills you, go after Gore and Kappy kills you its truly a pick your poison scheme. The Ravens better study the tape of STL cuz they were the only team to really slow Kappy down and I think the 3-4 is the best kind of D to defend that O. The matchup inside will be good though with Ngata and Kemo inside vs the 9er oline. If the Ravens can come up with something in the next 2 weeks to slow down the Kappy in co I will be pleasantly surprised, and as for the Ravens O vs the 9er D I give the edge to the 9ers there also we all know their stout against the run so that means Jim Caldwell will have to be agressive in the passing game again, can Flacco be perfect again against a much better D in the 9ers? The smart money says no he will turn it over at least once maybe one of those fluke tip ints or Flacco making a bone head play from the pressure the 9ers will bring. The match up to watch will be Boldin vs the 9er secondary when Talib was in the game for NE Boldin was shut down, that doesnt bode well for him and Tsmith is pretty much a 1 trick pony a field stretcher and the 9ers pretty much keep two safties deep and neither is Julio Jones so once again it doesnt sound good for Bal. But with all that said you just never know how the game will unfold but like I said if I had to bet the house I painfully bet Frisco.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Not to belabor this but IF Pryor had the ability to be our Russell Wilson, RG3 or Cam Newton is it not reasonable that he wouldn’t need a long time to get his bearings and learn his craft…study for awhile…continue to work on his game etc.?
Newton came out RIGHT AWAY from the starting gate throwing 300+ yd. games. RG3 tore it up from the start and Wilson the same.
If the point is that Pryor has shown that WITH TIME and continued work he can be like those guys?…Fine. Who says he can’t?
January 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
“When Pryor gets a fair shot, haters should quit hating. Give the guy a honest chance. Besides, game 16 showed more promise than doubt. Why is it so hard to give the guy a chance? Can you see the future? Doubt it.”
Because a fan doesn’t see a number 1 qb in the making doesn’t make anyone a “hater.” Dumb word– like most slang, overused to the point of having becoming meaningless.
If there are teams out there that were impressed with what they saw from TP and wish to have him and develop him, I say let’s get something for him. I’d take a 3 rounder for sure, esp. middle of the round on up.
Or, if TP would agree to convert to receiver, I’d keep him a bit longer.
January 21st, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Sure, it wouldn’t hurt. If I get something worth telling, I will.
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Solid…Take care man, will type at ya ltr…
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January 21st, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Wow.
Is NC State QB Mike Glennon of age? He doesn’t look draft eligible!
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Senior-Bowl-Day-1/b9c8116a-b997-42d3-a2b2-e0892d82c712#57666fc1-3eb3-4d32-b0bf-ffd6f0f1d415
January 21st, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Just to add; Sapp had big problems with BRobb in an earlier game we beat them 45-0 running right at him.
Gruden was the coach Callahan teh Oline coach. Gruden knew Cally would bring the same load with that surgeon like passing attack. If BRobb doesn’t go AWOL we run it all day and it’s a decidedly different game. By the 4th qrtr the Bucs defense would’ve been sucking wind. We lose BRobb and we come out throwing which played right into their hands.
It was the perfect gameplan to give the Bucs the edge………….period
January 21st, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:36 pm
EastOak
did you see Manning blow that lead in the final minute vs the Ravens?
Haha, Jacoby Jones just BLEW right by him in coverage. What a loser.
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I did see a few picks, seen Mannings playoff record lately?
Matty ice’s too for that matter.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Any scuttlebutt re: whether were any closer to having an OL coach?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Scouts are saying literally Glennon is a Toothpick.. no muscle tone.
They dont know if he will hold up . Ofkfar looks like the real deal.. so does JONES pass rusher out of UCLA
im telling u Reggie is getting a up close look at some real talent. To me Damontre Moore looks no better then Okafeor and MOORE suppose to go top 5? nah
January 21st, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Scourge Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Any scuttlebutt re: whether were any closer to having an OL coach?
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I hear were looking at an assistant from Austin Peay.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm
…i’m kidding.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Nice to see Zack Crockett working as a Raiders scout
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Senior-Bowl-Day-1/b9c8116a-b997-42d3-a2b2-e0892d82c712#b2f3dbe2-1f7d-4aa7-b6cb-448fd9b2f290
January 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Okafor is more and more becoming my guy. Good size and explosive off the edge. Way better than Jarvis Jones and Werner and I’m going to go ahead and slot him above Damontre Moore as well. Keep an eye on him. No. 80 from the South team.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:10 pm
I’m not sure where Okafor rates out but IMO he is legit. I really like him.. May be able to get him late in the 1st, early 2nd.
Moore is a player I just don’t know how highly he grades out.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
YEP.. no joke RAIDERS STAFF have taken over the SENIOR bowl.. i know other teams are out there working..
But Reggie has his whole crew out in full force..and nothing better htne u see all the guys in st8 RAIDER GEAR
Also Shaun Herock.. Kens son director of College scouting wiht his crew out in full force.. Gonna find some gems
January 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Nice to see Zack Crockett working as a Raiders scout
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/photo-gallery/Senior-Bowl-Day-1/b9c8116a-b997-42d3-a2b2-e0892d82c712#b2f3dbe2-1f7d-4aa7-b6cb-448fd9b2f290
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Can we get him back to run short yardage situations for us?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Just to add; Sapp had big problems with BRobb in an earlier game we beat them 45-0 running right at him.
Gruden was the coach Callahan teh Oline coach. Gruden knew Cally would bring the same load with that surgeon like passing attack. If BRobb doesn’t go AWOL we run it all day and it’s a decidedly different game. By the 4th qrtr the Bucs defense would’ve been sucking wind. We lose BRobb and we come out throwing which played right into their hands.
It was the perfect gameplan to give the Bucs the edge………….period
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In case you forgot we werent much of a running team under Callahan…..Period
January 21st, 2013 at 10:12 pm
DJJ, I expecting you to qualify it further: Graduate assistant.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
YEP.. no joke RAIDERS STAFF have taken over the SENIOR bowl.. i know other teams are out there working..
But Reggie has his whole crew out in full force..and nothing better htne u see all the guys in st8 RAIDER GEAR
Also Shaun Herock.. Kens son director of College scouting wiht his crew out in full force.. Gonna find some gems
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That’s right.
We’re gonna get better. Sooner than u guys think.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Scourge Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:12 pm
DJJ, I expecting you to qualify it further: Graduate assistant.
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I figured you already knew that..lol.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Damontre moore is a tricky one.. I see Top 5.. then i see other guys rating him late 1st round pick.
I see more explosivness in Okafor ..then moore.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Keep in mind.. there is a different between what SCOUTS think.. and what TV “scouts” think kipers, Mayocks.. etc
Wouldnt be suprised if Oakafor ends up in 10-20 range pick
January 21st, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Reading the Tim Brown-Callahan Sabotage story on PFT.com and one of the comments is hilarious.
Says if Callahan gets to call plays for the Dallas Cowboys (he’s the O-line coach now) it sets up a return for Jon Gruden in 2014 as Monte Kiffin, Callahan and Rod Marinelli are on staff giving Gruden his old Tampa staff.
Hahaha!
January 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
Was there any credence to the story Al Davis wanted Mike Mayyock to join the Raiders’ scouting department?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:16 pm
difference*
January 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:11 pm
[snip]
But Reggie has his whole crew out in full force..and nothing better htne u see all the guys in st8 RAIDER GEAR
[snip]
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Do you guys think this is all Reggie’s doing or is Mark behind it all?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Ya I heard that Al wanted mayock in 2008 or something like that.
Mayock Politely declined. There is truth to that
January 21st, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Do you guys think this is all Reggie’s doing or is Mark behind it all?
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as far as the gear? Nah mark dont care.. Thats reggie’s doing making his presence felt
January 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm
ESPN AFC West Blogger Bill Williamson had interesting speculation Sunday night…
Via Williamson:
Former Miami Dolphins head coach and former New York Jets’ offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is a potential offensive line coaching candidate in Oakland. He interviewed for the same job in Kansas City, but new Chiefs’ coach Andy Reid hired Andy Heck instead.
I think Sparano would be a good addition to the Oakland Raiders staff because of his experience. He also has a good track record as an offensive line coach. Oakland is also looking for a linebackers coach.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:21 pm
I have seen Okafor already rated as a top 20 pick and I think his stock is likely to rise. Pass rusher is a premiere piece in today’s NFL and if the scouts see it like I do he won’t be around long.
I’ve said to this point there were only 2 guys I’d be excited about taking at No. 3 – Joeckel and Lotulelei. I’m going to add a 3rd guy to that group and that’s Alex Okafor.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:22 pm
RaidersAllDay…
Meant just the presence/effort, etc, not gear. Sorry, I should have been more specific.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:24 pm
If anybody has seen my posts the last couple yr’s you would know i’m not mr pollyanna pom pon waver.
I think after the Detroit game the season before last I even suggested the defense owed us all an apology and they should immediately go out in the OCO parking lot and shoot themselves. But…I just have a weird feeling that this coming season is gonna surprise everyone….in a good way.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:26 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:19 pm
ESPN AFC West Blogger Bill Williamson had interesting speculation Sunday night…
Via Williamson:
Former Miami Dolphins head coach and former New York Jets’ offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is a potential offensive line coaching candidate in Oakland. He interviewed for the same job in Kansas City, but new Chiefs’ coach Andy Reid hired Andy Heck instead.
I think Sparano would be a good addition to the Oakland Raiders staff because of his experience. He also has a good track record as an offensive line coach. Oakland is also looking for a linebackers coach.
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Wow. Going from a HC 2 yr’s ago to Oline coach with the Raiders?
I’m okay if it turns put to be Mike Tice actually.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Jack, thank you!
A big step down for Sparano though. From HC then OC to OL coach. In Oakland.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:29 pm
D could surprise in 2013. They were playing much better late. Part of that had to do with level of opponent. I think two other big factors were Mike Mitchell getting a chance to start and McClain being off the field.
Still need an impact pass rusher and a specialist or two if we’re gonna get serious.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Tarver seems like a dayum good coach.. hearing him micd up at the senior bowl.. give him some talent to work with and watch
January 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm
I like OLB Jamie Collins. 190 tackles, 39.5 TFL, and 17 (10 last year) sacks the last 2 years.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Scourge–I understand ur point. But my buddies fu€k with me too. It’s just good humor. I would never say anything seriously racist to someone in an attempt to hurt them or even joke with someone who I thought might mistake it for real. I think racist jokes are funny sometimes in a mostly ironic way. Example: I play poker a lot. I have a regular game that has several Asian guys at it. The other night the old (pretty racist) commercial about “ancient Chinese secret” was brought up. We laughed about it and used the phrase a few times regarding the game. In a way, it actually broke down barriers and made us feel closer as poker pals. There are also some Jews and mus-lim guys. On occasion, when they’re all in against each other, someone will say “oh no. Holy war!” We laugh and I think it mocks racism. Yes, I suppose some tender heart could be bothered but we are men for crying out loud. We have to be a little thick skinned. Especially when it seems apparent that its meant in good humor with a wink. Granted, someone might get chaffed about it eventually.
But believe me I’m bored with trying to mess with the black nazi, or reach him. It’s pointless.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Saw that Talib is a UFA. Kid can definitely play, but has a lot of baggage that makes him a pretty big gamble. What do u guys think?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:33 pm
DJ, pouring the Koolaid early, my friend?
January 21st, 2013 at 10:34 pm
Reggie not gonna touch Talib.. after the whole Rolando thing
January 21st, 2013 at 10:35 pm
I’ll have a glass of some of that kool aid too
January 21st, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Doc, gotcha. I appreciate the response. (Thought you left us.) I’ll leave it alone.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Difference between Rolando and Talib though is that Talib is a good player and McClain was terribke before he had any of his legal issues.
Not saying Reggie needs to gamble on Talib, but I don’t think you build a team with 53 choir boys. I wonder if Reggie understands that.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Tim brown is one of my fav players of all time. But he sounds a lot like some of the posters in here. What a conspiracy theory.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:39 pm
Thats the thing..I really dont know what Reggie views as guys he wants to bring. I know they have said it.. but he hasnt really drafted with many picks or brought in guys cuz of no money
we will see in the future
January 21st, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Doc, I should also say that my stint in grad school exposed me to a *heavy* dos of “social justice” and related stuff so it sometimes comes back to me when I encounter “triggers.” But I will speak no more of it.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:42 pm
*dose
January 21st, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Lol. The Tim Brown story is old news. It’s just finally getting national media play because of the timing, etc.
January 21st, 2013 at 10:49 pm
If what RaiderAllDay posted above about Reggie talking to Cornell OG JC Tretter, that’s cool. IMHO, there’s probably some gems to be found for the OL/DL lines in the smaller schools during the latter rounds of the draft. Guys from the smaller schools (depending on the school), may be smarter than their peers at the larger “name” programs. And a better bargain, too.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Scourge–triggers? Do u mean tranny black guys? Joking. What do u mean by triggers? Trouble making words?
January 21st, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Talib would never work out on this team. He needs a strong organization with a proven track record of success to stay focused. As much as I love pastor Napolean, his guidance would work about as well with Talib as it did with Romac.
(by the way, my iPhone’s autocorrect kept changing Talib’s name to a certain group of terrorists. Needless to say, I did not negotiate with it.)
January 21st, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Pryor is not the answer no thanks we need to built the trenches hopefully we do that this draft and take a qb next year the same people in here keep trying to force Pryor down our throats with the same blah blah blah don’t any of u watch college football Pryor couldn’t throw at Ohio state and he still can’t throw in the NFL sheesh Next
January 21st, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Doc, stuff that triggers a memory or thought.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Ah college. I went Indiana. It seemed like EVERY class seeped with feminism agenda. To a ridiculous point. I love women and have no prob with equal rights but sometimes it got stupid.
I took some classes that fell under the umbrella of Afro American studies too. It could get dumb there too. The little black nazi took a few of those I’m sure.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:05 pm
And scam newton is the most overrated player in the league Drew brews and Matty ice make him there biaaatch he will never win that division ever
January 21st, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Ian85, please consider using periods. It makes your posts easier to read.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 10:33 pm
DJ, pouring the Koolaid early, my friend?
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Yes, but i reserve the right to go on an occasional knee jerk rant should the occasion present itself…and it will.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Scourge–I see. Are we to re-educate ourselves so as to not ever offend anyone? Liberal arts can get very commie.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Scourge Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Ian85, please consider using periods. It makes your posts easier to read.
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Not much easier… Jesus
January 21st, 2013 at 11:10 pm
I’m pretty liberal but I don’t dig on engineered society. Too nazi. I’m more “treat everyone nice and don’t be so sensitive”.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:12 pm
Doc, yeah, know what you mean. Last summer, I took a course in diagnosis for counselors. Instructor was very good and knew the subject inside and out. But she was from the feminist school and was very into dealing with all kinds of oppression. I think I was the only straight male in the class. But it was okay. It was actually a pretty good class. She appreciated my perspective and never once got on my case. Only think I didn’t like about the course was reading the freaking DSM-IV all the way through! Almost a 1,000 pages of mind-numbing material in six weeks.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:15 pm
*thing
January 21st, 2013 at 11:19 pm
I loved college though. Love me some education.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Doc, re: your re-education comment. I know what you’re saying but don’t know the answer. The problem will come to a head around 2040-2050, IMHO, when there won’t be any racial/ethnic majority or “largest minority” in the country. I don’t know if I’ll be around then. Political correctness has caused the death of meaningful discourse in the country.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Callahan didn’t change the game plan, Al did. Anyone who follows the team knows that Al routinely met with the coaches couple days before the game, and in many cases would change the whole game plan. Drove a lot of coaches crazy. Madden and Al had many fights over Al changing plays. Both before the game, and during the game.
Brown stated numerous times that he had zero proof, that it was just his opinion.
This story makes us look pathetic and weak. That even our own head coach wanted us to lose, whichis rediculous.
Al loved nothing more than to light it up through the air.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Plus, when I write to complete a class assignment, I have to conform to the APA style manual. It prohibits such things as the use of the term “homosexual.” If I were to be doing a study of something and needed to break the survey population done into racial/ethnic groups, I can’t use the term “sub-group” to apply to any subset of respondents. Lotsa stuff like that. I don’t think about it anymore, I just role with it.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:28 pm
*down
January 21st, 2013 at 11:29 pm
ruh roh….
January 21st, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Sounds pretty fasc-ist to me scourge.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Speaking of fasc-ists…….
January 21st, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Got myself a new era raiders cap the other day. First raiders baseball cap I’ve had since about ‘88.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Now, Doc, remember what you said you’d do. Little barbs like that just instigate what you said you’d avoid (and the rest of us really hope you do).
January 21st, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Unless it’s bait.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Oops. That made it look like I was referring to my cap as fasc-ist. Although it is black.
Btw, nazis always had the coolest gear. As a kid, I loved their uniforms and machinery and stuff. They were brilliant at that stuff. Would have killed on Madison av. Too bad they were mur-serious thug gang-sters. Basterds.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:43 pm
I should have known. Oh, well. Back to lurking.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Sorry scourge. Habits are hard to break.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
But…I just have a weird feeling that this coming season is gonna surprise everyone….in a good way.
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I’ve felt that way for going on 33 years now. I was more prescient the first third of that time, though. Not saying you have to bet that way, but if you don’t feel positive at 0-0, your fandom consists of making negative comments all day on some dumb blog.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Raiders should take the Risk and draft Tyrann Mathieu if he’s still available in the 2nd round.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Lol. I’m not. I’m really not!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Tiger tank definitely cooler than the sherman.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Honey badger don’t give a fu€k.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:49 pm
I always thought the Sturm-Tiger was bad-ass looking.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Ah, phuck it. Somebody go wake Beeech up! We need some levity!
January 21st, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Yeah. Nazis had cool words like blitzkrieg and Luftwaffe.
The Luger. They were great with that stuff.
American GI stuff could be cool too. Machine guns. Cigar hanging out with fatigues. Cool imagery.
All amounting to death and atrocities though.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Doc, I hereby award you the Grand Cross of Incorrigibility. “In Namen des Fuehrer…..”
January 21st, 2013 at 11:56 pm
I love ww 2 movies. American heroes fu€king the nazis up. Great good vs. evil iconic stuff. Spies. Submarines. Good guys won.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:58 pm
French have the worst name for a battle vehicle: Mirage. What are they, magicians?
It sounds like the name of the next Mitsubishi sedan.
January 21st, 2013 at 11:58 pm
Now, if I could only bring myself to type “I dropped a deuce in aisle 7″ I might….wait…
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:00 am
Scourge–don’t get me wrong. I’m not trying to bait anyone. It’s a fascinating subject to me. And I detest nazis. But they were this weird combo of sophistication and evil. And kinda gay too btw. Leather. S&m. Order. “You vill follow zee rules!”
Loved hogans heroes too. Somehow they managed to make sone nazis look like lovable buffoons. Kinda wrong. But schulz and Klink were classic.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:01 am
Now, if Beeech ain’t gonna show, mebbe KK 2.0 is around.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:03 am
Frenchies were never particularly good at fighting. But they gave us great food, wine, art, culture, the Statue of Liberty. And hairy arm pits.
I’m part French and German btw. But American really.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:04 am
Y’know there might be something to this cross-posting. I’m sure it’s better than cross-dressing. *Not* that I know. But, hell, if you can’t suppress ‘em, join ‘em!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:04 am
Band of Brothers is epic. It’s what Saving Private Ryan should have been.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:05 am
Beech. Oh geez. Don’t get me started.
Kell 2.0. Kinda funny. Although I suspect it’s Sullivan. So in conflicted cuz I always hated his anti-al davis obsession.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 am
Thought the Mistic1 post might have been bait.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:07 am
But I never am above being friends with a former enemy. That’s what war seems to be all about right? Countless poor kids due so we can be friends ten years later?
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:08 am
Rooch Says:
January 21st, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Raiders should take the Risk and draft Tyrann Mathieu if he’s still available in the 2nd round.
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4th round sure second round is reaching!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:08 am
What happened to Sullivan44?
Did someone sell him out?
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:08 am
No comment.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:09 am
See scourge. I can do it!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:10 am
We have to trade back. We need the depth and I’ll lose my sh!t if Reggie wastes the pick on Manti Feo.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:10 am
I always got a kick out of some of the names Herr Generalmajor Professor Doktor Freiherr uber und unter von Dusseldorf-Essen
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:11 am
Pretty sure Sullivan retired that handle since al davis bashing isn’t what it used to be bothered still Alex7 (maybe) and all of the “new” versions of old foes. Or else he died. Cuz I don’t think he could ever leave his life”s work behind.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:11 am
ooops, forgot the phuckin’ period!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:13 am
Doc, you’re nut!
Keep up the good work!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 am
*a
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 am
Oh Germans have great names. And the language is……beautiful. I love young Frankenstein. Sprockets. U name it. Dr. Strangelove. They always seem to be barely able to keep from blurting out Heil! German-gay imitations are always hilarious. “Oh ya. U seem very upset. Was ist Los?”
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 am
sheesh
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:16 am
Inglorious basterds was fantastic.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:18 am
I always got a kick out of the police chief/whatever in YF, the one with the fake arm that used to rotate. I still get a kick out of that.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:20 am
Now if I could only bring myself to type “KoolKell is a racist POS fart-mongering pootbutt” I could….oh, wait…did it again…
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:21 am
Ever watch hit-ler speak? Mesmerizing. He was practically frothing at the mouth. But man did he sell those people.
I have a good friend whose mom is German. Accent and all. She said to me “Germans are nice people. But if u get two or more in a room together, it doesn’t take long for them to start talking about how great Germans are. They’re a little scary.” Pretty funny with her telling me in the German accent too.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:22 am
How’m I doin’? Gettin’ th’ hang of it?
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:25 am
Lol. Young Frankenstein is so great. I love how eventually not even the townspeople could understand him. The burger Meister. Another ugly/great German title/name.
Gene wilder trying desperately to hold in his increasing mad-German-scientist urges till he can’t take it anymore. “My….name….is…..Frankenstein!”
They murdered a lot if people but they sure gave us a lot to laugh at.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:28 am
Scourge–what are u attempting?
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:28 am
What I find odd is the number of Americans who get caught up in being reenactors in German units. They seem to like to dress up as SS-Panzergrenadieren or members of an SS-Panzeraufklarungsabteilung. They just seem to love those black uniforms with the silver embroidery….um…uh oh….hmmmmmm…..I’m not going there!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 am
Doc, I get hammered by friends for being too polite, courteous, etc. And I get asked to stop it sometimes. So, this trolling and cross-posting is intriguing.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 am
There’s a great It’s Always Sunny episode with an SS costume.
Shame that show’s gone off the rails this past season.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:34 am
Lessee…..
WHUT WHUT YO YO
Whaddup goobers, nerds, dweebs and brahs!!!
The Beeech Diggs here just back from a hella massage session. Got the old Lawg worked on by this fine Filipina hizzy…..
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:36 am
Scourge–I see. A chance to explore other sides of ur personality eh? Don’t do it! It will lead to dementia. All kids of different characters with various attributes to remember. Kinds like playing dungeons and dragons by urself. All kinds of roles. Who knows. Beech might’ve started off as a relatively normals nicest raider fan. Now he’s stuck in a gay personality from which there is no escape.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:37 am
NO phuckin way Im renewin season tickets this year they can all kiss my *ss Reggie and all of em Ive hadit up to here with there kiss-assin and all that sh*t bwteen lower lip and tits phuck em
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:37 am
that one’s hard to do..
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:38 am
There are many beech impersonators. It’s become an industry. Kinda like doing a Reagan impersonation. It always starts out “Well…”
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:31 am
There’s a great It’s Always Sunny episode with an SS costume.
Shame that show’s gone off the rails this past season.
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I thought this last season was one of the best. The season before was a little questionable if I remember correctly though.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:39 am
I GUESS I COULD TYPE ALL IN CAPS AND SAY THAT THE RAIDERS ARE GONNA SUCK ROYAL MONKEY DICK THIS YEAR BECAUSE THEY WON’T DO THIS AND THAT AND WHATEVER ELSE I’VE DEMANDED OVER 3000 POSTS SO FAR THIS MONTH….
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:40 am
You’re headed down a dark path, Scourge.
Don’t go to the Dark side!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 am
Lol. Some of the Reggie names are funny.
Chubby checker. Bottom lip. Can’t remember some of the others. Racist at heart but they get a chuckle from me. I kinda think I like reggie though.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 am
SAY NO TO GENO!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:41 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW!
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:42 am
I never watch IAS….I watched a few minutes of the first episode and turned the channel. It was too weird for me.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Ol’ Afro Shrek better have that scouting department up to the task. We can’t miss this year.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Lol speaking of gay personalities from which there is no escape, I heard it suggested teo could get outta his pickle by saying he was gay and it was all a cover cuz he was an oppressed gay man scared of what society would think. He would become a heroic figure. But the downside is that he would have to pretend he was gay forever.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:46 am
Weird is the essence of all great things.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:46 am
I dunno if I could troll well. Takes entirely too much time and effort.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:47 am
Afro shrek. Not bad. Mumbles.
I watched one or two episodes of its always sunny. It was sporadically funny
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 am
Yeah. The troll cross posters treat it like a full time job.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:44 am
Lol speaking of gay personalities from which there is no escape, I heard it suggested teo could get outta his pickle by saying he was gay and it was all a cover cuz he was an oppressed gay man scared of what society would think. He would become a heroic figure. But the downside is that he would have to pretend he was gay forever.
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It’s his only angle at this point. I still don’t rule out the possibility of him actually being gay. Statistically someone in the NFL has to be.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:48 am
Someone who a good novelist could do it though. Someone experienced in character development. Management of various attributes of each “character” herein wouldn’t be a challenge for someone like that.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 am
Now, Doc, you threw that “pickle” in there intentionally….
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:50 am
Look at the effort beech puts into his fantasies. And almost never gets a response. But he’s at it relentlessly for years.
Missdick goes on diatribes explaining the nuances of the spread option and every black qb he can find. Always repeating the same message. Droning on and on.
It consumes them.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 am
Lennay Kekua injures DMC every year.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 am
Lennay Kekua hired Greg Knapp
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:51 am
Beeech’d have a quick comment on that one….mebbe even P-man/*/*
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:53 am
Lennay Kekua swats the balls from the receivers’ hands during Raider games.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:53 am
Lennay Kekua is Beeech
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:53 am
Mebbe I could post as “Pootbutt” and my thang would be too drop farts like some drop deuces herein.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:54 am
Scourge–lol. Beech had a running story for a while involving pickles. I posted as a gay version of him and used the pickle angle to expose his tendencies. It was fun but exhausting. That was enuff cross posting for me.
I suppose a writer could create a world in here. But why? An exercise?
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:57 am
I’m not sure if societal percentages of gayness equals footballs. It’s a sport which weeds out a lot of gay men. And it’s a violent aggressive macho sport which weeds it even further. There have been for sure. But not many.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:58 am
Doc, Beeech uses multiple names. Some of his alternates use similar sentence structure. That’s more difficult to mimic than simply droppin’ “holla” in every post. But I don’t waste time trying to figure out who’s who. I’m usually too busy laughing. Simple things amuse a simple mind….what can I say.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:02 am
Oh, I’m definitely not saying it would be the same percentages. I do find it hard to believe that there wouldn’t be at least a small percentage who slip through the cracks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 am
RediaR, perhaps. I’d wonder if those players would attempt to overcompensate in some way for any discrepancy they may perceive in themselves. I dunno. Not some I care to think about.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:05 am
*something
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:06 am
Oh yeah. Beech has referred to himself as a “blog character”. I’ve picked up similarities in other posters. He also has “supporters” drop in when under attack. But that’s all too difficult to track since I don’t care. Makes u wonder what kinda life they’re leading though.
Missdick also has multiple handles. He usually lets the board know that he’s “leaving”. Then another like-minded poster wanders in.
They also like to accuse everyone of cross posting. Trying to throw off the scent.
I can usually tell cuz they’re also anti-me for no apparent reason.
A lot of people think thru are all madden raider. That would be a lot if work.
I know alex7 drops a lot if the same quotes about Pryor that Sullivan once did.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:10 am
Beech and missdick operate similarly. Very repetitive. Impervious to attack cuz they simply lie and won’t answer things. Then proclaim victory and move on back to their message. Weird traits.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:11 am
What I find annoying are people who post really, really, really long quotations from sports news articles. Then, in response, someone else cuts and pastes the whole thing again with a short, one-sentence comment. Drives me up the wall sometimes, especially when the number of posts gets real high and refresh times lengthens.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:11 am
*lengthen.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 am
Of course beech is convinced I’m also Seymour bush he apparently always called him peemore bust. He also referred to me as dr nob. One day he became convinced we were the same person and melded those already-lame names into nob bust, which continues still.
He did it with Klas and someone else I don’t remember too. Paranoid. Missdick also accuses me of being many others. It’s funny.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 am
Of course, my non-football posts drive up the numbers of posts too and add to refresh time. So I guess I should biatch about myself.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 am
WHUT UP, BIGGITY BRAHS!!
LIL’ BEECH IS SORE FROM SWABBING A STRIPPER’S POOP DECK
FATTY RODE MY POLE LIKE SHE WAS AT THE SPEARMINT, WHUT
ALL FOR A #13 COMBO FROM MICKEY D’S
LIL BEECH WAS LOVIN’ IT TILL SHE POOHED ALL OVER THE VIP BOOTH
FLAKERS LOSING MADE ME POOH TOO
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:14 am
Scourge, GTFO!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:16 am
Yeah. There’s plenty to not like here. Not sure why I keep coming back. My wife isn’t a fan.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:16 am
Papertiger…
JUST KEEPIN’ IT REAL! HOLLA
FO’ SHIZZLE P’DIZZLE!
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:19 am
Yeah, Scourge, I definitely needed to add a few of those.
The Doctor’s right; it took way too long for me to come up with that post.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:19 am
I still get a kick out of Beeech, though. His usual schtick is repetitive, I know, but he’s at his best in response to someone else because it’s new material for him to work with.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:21 am
Beeech has a quick mind and I respect that. Doc, I know he loves to pester you, but, however weird he might be, he’s still a funny motherphucker to me. Rhymes not intentional.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:21 am
I prefer Beech to Mistic, for what it’s worth.
God, I feel dirty just typing that down.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:23 am
I dunno, tiger, that way pretty darn close….I hafta wonder….whut do you think, Doc?
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:25 am
Tiger, go grab that bottle of Listerine and wash your mouth out!
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:26 am
Yo nerds. Just got back from my reggae boat party. Did a nasty cover of a Babs Streisand tune. You know the Beeech Lawg got a nice hand jiggedy from a JAP chick who said the time reminded her of her mom. I’m about to pop in Yentl and get emotional about the memories. Right after I smoke this doobie and pound some matza balls. Speaking of matza balls, that’s the name of my new Jewish DJ. We’re releasing a rap album called 2 Live Jews in 2015 it will be off the tookus!
SHOUT OUT TO OSKAR SCHINDLER!
HOLLA WHY DON’T YA?
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:27 am
Now was that Beeech doing Doc doing Beeech…..
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:30 am
Scourge
I made sure to go from memory in order to try to emulate Beech’s style. It was like writing poetry, only demeaning. It also took a ridiculous amount of effort.
I’m sure Beech just free-styles; he has a command of his “voice” so to speak.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:32 am
Papertiger–I suppose I prefer hemmorhoid to genital warts. But it’s all relative.
Scourge–yeah. He ca be creative. But it begs the question why is he here all the time talking sexual fantasies to a group of guys. And he loves to proclaim imaginary beatdowns and mythical brahs. And most of his stuff is recycled.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:32 am
mebbe I’m the only other person here and everyone else who posts is just one person.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:33 am
Scourge, you could be right about that or……
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:33 am
Ackkkkk!
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:35 am
Well done, Doctor!
The thematic choice of the JAP gave that post exactly the right air of heaviness and pungency.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:36 am
Bye, he shows his weakness when he writes his lyrics. They’re pretty awful. He sticks to a particular schtick and he has it down. But he gets mad if u call him out. It’s weird.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:37 am
Goodnight, guys. It was fun sinking down a level or two in human decency.
Hopefully we’ll have some good football news to talk about tomorrow.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:38 am
Well, gents, I’m beat. Time to snooze. Thanks for the conversation and the laffs! Til next time…..
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:39 am
Brown claims Callahan ’sabotaged’ Super Bowl
January, 22, 2013
12:32AM ET
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
In a stunning accusation of his former head coach, former Oakland Raiders star receiver Tim Brown told SiriusXM NFL Radio that former Oakland coach Bill Callahan “sabotaged” the team before its 48-21 thrashing against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the Super Bowl 10 years ago.
This story will never reach the level of the New Orleans Saints’ bounty scandal or the New England Patriots’ videotape scandal. In the end, it is just an old football player venting. Brown is a finalist to be elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Feb. 2; this is his fourth year of eligibility.
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AP Photo/Lenny IgnelziTim Brown accused former Raiders coach Bill Callahan of sabotaging Oakland’s chances in Super Bowl XXXVII.
But because of Brown’s stature, the magnitude of the Super Bowl, and the unique nature of his complaints, the story will be around for a while. Expect Brown’s words to put former teammates, Callahan, now a Dallas Cowboys assistant coach, and Callahan’s predecessor, Jon Gruden, in the spotlight for the next couple of days.
I’m sure we will hear denials and we may see some folks back up the often-outspoken Brown, who last week took shots at former Oakland offensive coordinator Marc Trestman when he was named the head coach in Chicago.
Via ProFootballtalk, Brown said this about Callahan in the radio interview
We get our game plan for victory on Monday, and the game plan says we’re gonna run the ball, Brown said Saturday. We averaged 340 [pounds] on the offensive line, they averaged 280 [on the defensive line]. We’re all happy with that, everybody is excited. [We] tell Charlie Garner, “Look, you’re not gonna get too many carries, but at the end of the day we’re gonna get a victory. Tyrone Wheatley, Zack Crockett, let’s get ready to blow this thing up.”
We all called it sabotage .. because Callahan and [Tampa Bay coach Jon] Gruden were good friends, Brown said. And Callahan had a big problem with the Raiders, you know, hated the Raiders. You know, only came because Gruden made him come. Literally walked off the field on us a couple of times during the season when he first got there, the first couple years. So really he had become someone who was part of the staff but we just didn’t pay him any attention. Gruden leaves, he becomes the head coach. … It’s hard to say that the guy sabotaged the Super Bowl. You know, can you really say that? That can be my opinion, but I can’t say for a fact that that’s what his plan was, to sabotage the Super Bowl. He hated the Raiders so much that he would sabotage the Super Bowl so his friend can win the Super Bowl. That’s hard to say, because you can’t prove it.
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Holy Toledo Tim!
That’s one wild azz claim.
The rest of that is over on ESPN.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:40 am
Scourge–lol. There people here who attribute about fifty handles to MR/Sullivan. I feel that way at times. It gets incestuous. How many people now say period at the end of their post. Or say someone is exposed. Heck. Everyone now refers to the new wave.
Papertiger– I was trying to do beech but add a wrinkle not before seen, but true to what he would do. But I do feel ashamed.
January 22nd, 2013 at 1:53 am
You, sir, are a madman. And you know exactly who I’m talking to.
Good night, all.
January 22nd, 2013 at 2:56 am
Just read that Tim Brown story.Can’t be true can it?
January 22nd, 2013 at 3:16 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QdY4gfR7iY
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:05 am
testing
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:38 am
Tim Brown just went on MIke and Mike and further drummed up the “Sabotage” angle.
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:39 am
ESPN AFC West Blogger Bill Williamson had interesting speculation Sunday night…
Via Williamson:
Former Miami Dolphins head coach and former New York Jets’ offensive coordinator Tony Sparano is a potential offensive line coaching candidate in Oakland. He interviewed for the same job in Kansas City, but new Chiefs’ coach Andy Reid hired Andy Heck instead.
I think Sparano would be a good addition to the Oakland Raiders staff because of his experience. He also has a good track record as an offensive line coach. Oakland is also looking for a linebackers coach.
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Tony isn’t a zbs guy, I take it?
excellent hire. him or Juan Castillo.
let’s go DA!
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:40 am
Tim Brown bringing this up 10 years later just sounds like a sore loser, making excuses
he should have been shooting his mouth off about a week after the game!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:45 am
Bill Callahan wouldn’t have accepted the HC job in Oakland after Gruden was traded, if he hated the Raiders and planned on tanking games on purpose.
coaches have dreams to one day become an NFL HC. You don’t make it that far just to throw it in the trash. When teams interview coaches, they always consider the past. I don’t think BC has ever been a HC again based off of his 2003 season, not his 2002 finale.
January 22nd, 2013 at 4:55 am
Trying to read the twitter-verse for the Senior Bowl notes.
What I got out of it, Jonathan Franklin (who I would love in the 3rd round) was the clear best RB, Jonathan Jenkins (big NT from UGA with tons of upside) weighed in at 360 pounds and needed a bra, and Glennon made horrible throws.
January 22nd, 2013 at 5:46 am
Zack Crockett on Mike & Mike right now, claiming game plan was changed because of Barrett Robbins not being there.
January 22nd, 2013 at 5:51 am
Zach Crockett now a Raiders scout
January 22nd, 2013 at 5:53 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 5:56 am
It’s crazy azz stories like these that only hurts our ability to get top-flight coaches to come here.
Who wants to go to bizarro world if they don’t have to?
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:06 am
Callahan didn’t brio ally sabotage the super bowl, he just bungled it by not switching things up the second they knew they would be playing gruden. Waiting till Friday was idiotic.
Plus the strange one week between the championships and the duper bowl….that didn’t help.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:07 am
Damn phone lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:08 am
WAS GANNON IN ON IT TO ??
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:09 am
What is Tim Brown’s motivation to vent this story, right now, assuming that it’s even slightlyl true? It looks a lot like Brown is the Raider hater #1 right now. That’s weak to start these thin accusations based on old memories of a gameplan gone wrong. I don’t think Gruden shared any of his dough to Calahan for him to throw the game. Makes no sense and so Brown should just shut the he!! up already.
Someone on sirius needs to ask, just what the heck are you attempting to get accomplished by this old memory? Who are you going after? Whats the angle and why freaking why now?
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:13 am
Good morning everyone.
I’m very dissapointed with the OC hire. This is a terruble hire. He was part of the Tampa team that lost the last 10 straight games in 2011 and got Raheem Morris canned. That was some sloppy coordinating and offense gave up halfway thru the season. That was back in the days when Kellen Winslow got to show up on Thursday and practice a little and tap his helmet after each catch. Back when Legarrette Blount got his QB creamed on pass pro. Back when Josh Freeman got lazy and fat. That’s Greg Olson’s record. Bottom feeder move by DA and Reg.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:14 am
Tim Brown is not a Raider hater, but he does hate Callahan with a passion it seems. He was probably asked a question about that superbowl, and then took his opportunity to bash Callahan and Trestman. Its been well documented that Callahan is just an a hole period. Probably everyone in that locker room hated his guts.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:15 am
Any franchise QB’s at the top of the 2014 draft? Because I think we are in strong contention for one next year. No sense reaching for a QB this year. We are going to own the 2014 draft. yay!
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:17 am
Yeah the OC hire doesn’t blow me away.
My only hope is that his resume reads almost identical to Hue’s before he got here.
QB coach the year before, 6 stops the previous 11 years, two failed one year stints as OC……
Got to have faith
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:18 am
If Sapp gets into the Hall and Brown doesn’t,will Brown turn round blame Callahan and his sb37 fix?
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:22 am
Sorry JFB,
I got zero faith in Olsen. And the commitment to a fragile oft-broken RB is puzzling. I’d blow it up and raffle him off for a 2nd rounder or maybe 3rd rounder and committ less resources to the RB position.
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:24 am
10 and then
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:26 am
10 and then
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W T F is that? I dont speak mumble.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:27 am
Not sold on Olson till he shows me something.
I do know this much, need to bring in 3 new solid O linemen for his power scheme to work.
Brisiel, Carlisle and Barnes ain’t gonna cut it.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:29 am
U MAY BE CORRECT GUEST..MAYBE MR. MCKENZIE IS JUST PLAY’N HIS HAND NOW,THEN GOING INTO NEXT YEAR WITH A FULL DRAFT AND MORE CAP..
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:30 am
Next year, when Reggie fires Olsen, watch him hire another OC that favors the ZBS, and we can go back to re-equipping the OL with new linemen. C’mon Reggie, make up your mind already.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:31 am
Super Bowl fact:
10 starting OL.
5 First round picks, including all 4 starting OT’s.
7 of those 10 players have reached Pro Bowl status in their careers.
4 on SF: Joe Staley, Jonatahan Goodwin, Alex Boone and Mike Iupati.
3 on BAL: Bryant McKinnie, Matt Birk and Marshal Yanda.
The remaining 3 starters, Michael Oher, Anthony Davis and Kelechi Osemele, are all good, young players likely to make a few Pro Bowls soon.
You can make a strong case that all 10 Super Bowl starters in the OL are Pro Bowl material.
- Veldheer and Wis are a good start for us, let’s get ourselves one or two more quality kids and we can have a dominant unit.
It’s not just the OL, but if you can build a good one, you are off to a great start, like I said, we have 2 kids to build ours around, we’re not starting from scratch.
And stop throwing GB and Pitt as examples, Rodgers and Ben use their mobility and athleticism to overcome their defficiencies, imagine statue-like QB’s like Brady or Peyton behind those Lines and you’re looking at 70 sacks a season.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:32 am
That may be DIRT-LOT, but you know ain’t none of us getting any younger sitting by watching this thing get built. Like watching paint dry.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:34 am
Our ST may go back to being the strong point…sad really!
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 am
I compare the making of a good football team to the qualities of a good restaurant.
Yeah you need good ingredients, but it’s the chefs that make it special. The same food is served in competing restaurants, but one charges a lot more than the others with basically the same food. What makes it better, the service.
We can’t get better if we keep on hiring burger flippers and bun warmers from burger king. They bring with them all the bad habits that keep them looking for work instead of being protected.
Bad chefs = bad food
bad coaches = bad team
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:41 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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Maybe it’s not JUST McFadden he’s building for. Maybe his vision is to have a strong running philosophy, no matter who is in the backfield. I know he highlighted Darrens strengths with downhill attacks but, perhaps they find another (North / South) runner to take his place for the future. He could be committing to a style rather than a player. Ya know?
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:42 am
Hopefully we do land Tony Sparano for the OL.
Him and Bobby April would make 2 solid, credible hires with experience and success at this level.
An Offensive Staff featuring Olson flanked by Saunders and Sparano has potential, I like it, make it happen Reggie-DA.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:45 am
Is Bob Wylie still available?
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:48 am
Sparano’s track record has been abysmal lately. Too high profile to expect he’s willing to be an OL coach for long. Would be a stop gap. I’m hoping we build around someone with more stability.
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:55 am
This blog is offcialy melting down.
People are really getting behind the Callahan sabotaged the superbowl story????????
This decade is really taking a toll on the fans, myself included.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:02 am
Guest123.
I’m hoping Sparano can deliver a powerful running game and Saunders gets to work on the vertical passing game, then Sparano, Saunders and Olson can get together and design balanced game-plans every week.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:03 am
Later.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:03 am
Bob,
good stats on the OL and a big reason why we are where we are. Need to draft OL and DL with high picks and let the skill positions be the flier picks. If we want to build this right.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:05 am
Bob,
Would be nice to see a power running game to go with the vertical passing game. That’s Raider football. Whether or not it works or not, it’s an identity. We didn’t have an identity last year. We need to establish one that adapts to our strengths and not vise versa.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:08 am
later
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:12 am
What about Juan Castillo…when he was Philly’s OL coach, didn’t thay have a good OL?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:18 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
WAS GANNON IN ON IT TO ??
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I doubt that. Gannon was too fierce a competitor, a perfectionist. If there was any conspiracy, I think it was limited to Callahan and Gruden. The more people you involve, the more likely it is later exposed.
The Dallas radio shows are picking this up as the lead story now, and it seems like they believe there’s some shred of truth to this. They have a hard time believing this is a simple matter of Tim and Bill not liking each other.
Oh yeah, and Callahan is expected to be named the Dallas OC any day now. Will he fk over another senile, meddling, out-of-control owner?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:19 am
Ten and then is a rebuilding plan that semis must master before becoming a pro blogger
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:21 am
its not ten and then anymore its 9 and whine…keep up.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:22 am
I’m surprised noone is suggesing it was Al Davis himself who changed the game plan.
Isn’t he known for doing that righ before games?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:26 am
Wouldn’t Al have been furious at the game plan change?
He must have been at least somewhat ok with it cuz he kept Callahan on to coach the next season.
Unless Al feared firing Callahan right after taking a team to the SB would look to weird even for him.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:26 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I’m surprised noone is suggesing it was Al Davis himself who changed the game plan.
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Oh right, because Al was such a huge fan of dink and dunk football. LOL
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:27 am
You know, someone mentioned this same thing years ago…I wonder why Tim is actually bringing it up now? Well…
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:27 am
cant wait to relate to 8
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:30 am
Hwnrdr Says:
You know, someone mentioned this same thing years ago…I wonder why Tim is actually bringing it up now? Well…
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To “sabotage” Callahan being named OC in Dallas. Very clearly that’s why. He knows it will be impossible to prove anything, but he can place a seed of doubt in Jerry’s head.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:31 am
I noticed Tim never mentioned the boss in his screed.
What part did Al play?
One of Al’s spies in buc camp told hoim that spies in raider camp had leaked the run plan and the bucs were ready for it so Al switched at the last minute to confound John
Pinky and the brain stuff
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:33 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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wouldn’t it be……. 8 and Wait ?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:35 am
1178,
Tim is up for the HOF. Maybe he feels that not winning a SB affect his chance in eyes of the voters.
You never know what goes thru people’s minds.
It’s like Sapp and why he always rips on Oakland. He knows he sucked while here so he blames it on schemes and coaches and not himself cuz he’s a worthless pos.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:35 am
1160.guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 6:38 am
I compare the making of a good football team to the qualities of a good restaurant.
Yeah you need good ingredients, but it’s the chefs that make it special. The same food is served in competing restaurants, but one charges a lot more than the others with basically the same food. What makes it better, the service.
We can’t get better if we keep on hiring burger flippers and bun warmers from burger king. They bring with them all the bad habits that keep them looking for work instead of being protected.
Bad chefs = bad food
bad coaches = bad team
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Chef Robert Irvine agrees.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:35 am
lol
8 and wait is much better
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:38 am
yeah it is…8 and wait…
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:38 am
1171.hwnrdr Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:12 am
What about Juan Castillo…when he was Philly’s OL coach, didn’t thay have a good OL?
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Castillo was hired by the Ravens yesterday to be the OL coach, with Caldwell being retained to be their OC next year.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:39 am
theghostronin79 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:33 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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wouldn’t it be……. 8 and Wait ?
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8 AND WAIT? That’s way too rushed.
Please show the “patience and perspective” espoused by our esteemed former OC Sir Gregorus Maximus Knappus.
10 yr’s to get to a winning record, than gradual growth till we get deep in the playoffs….maybe.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:40 am
How about 11 and somebody shoot me?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:41 am
bcz24 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:38 am
1171.hwnrdr Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:12 am
What about Juan Castillo…when he was Philly’s OL coach, didn’t thay have a good OL?
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Castillo was hired by the Ravens yesterday to be the OL coach, with Caldwell being retained to be their OC next year.
Ahhh…so does Castillo get to coach in the Super Bowl?
And someone mentioned Pinky and the Brain…LOL!
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:41 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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Agree completely.
I think that is more of the issue than the OC choice.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:42 am
1187.bcz24 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:38 am
1171.hwnrdr Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:12 am
What about Juan Castillo…when he was Philly’s OL coach, didn’t thay have a good OL?
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Castillo was hired by the Ravens yesterday to be the OL coach, with Caldwell being retained to be their OC next year.
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I might be wrong, but I don;t remember those offensive lines being that great.
Does Castillo get a ring if the Ravens win the SB this year?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:44 am
1191.J Hill Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:41 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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Agree completely.
I think that is more of the issue than the OC choice.
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Changing to PBS doesn’t mean they are building around McFadden….it might fit McFadden better, but maybe they also think it will work better in the red zone and in short yardage situations no matter who the RB is.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:47 am
Tim will be on ESPN Dallas at 9:15 your time. Listen here if interested:
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/dallas/play
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:47 am
We are cooking the same food with a bad chef????
LMFAO
Seems like we have week old browning hamburger and wilted lettuce to work with. Moldy buns are moldy buns!
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:48 am
I wonder if we can trade Howard to Philly for Bynum and Holiday?
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:49 am
Dakota Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:44 am
1191.J Hill Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:41 am
Reggie is wrong in building around McFadden. Time will tell, but I feel strongly that I’m right on this.
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Agree completely.
I think that is more of the issue than the OC choice.
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Changing to PBS doesn’t mean they are building around McFadden….it might fit McFadden better, but maybe they also think it will work better in the red zone and in short yardage situations no matter who the RB is.
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Plus…there’s a good chance that one of the key components of the zbs…the block below the waist, will be eliminated at the owners meetings this yr.
It’s on the docket for discussion and speculation is they will do away with it in the spirit of player safety.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:50 am
Nash to Toronto for draft picks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:50 am
Jhill,
I can’t even watch the Lakers play anymore. They look like an expansion team. No flow….just a herky-jerky offense, no defense, so spirit.
I can’t believe a coach can’t find a way to get Dwight Howard the ball in a good position….right now the entry passes result in turnovers about 75% of the time it seems….either the lob pass sucks, or Dwight gets the ball stolen the second he touches it because he thinks he always has to dribble the ball before going up for a shot.
Metta is just jacking passes up.
Nash, he did okay last night scoring, but in general, since he can’t do his run around the base-line act since we have actual post players, he looks lost.
Why does Ebanks ever come on the floor?
FML
Now we are going to trade Gasol so we can somehow run D’Antoni’s gimmick offense better….I am so pissed off right now!
Then I have to wake up and re-live Raider-Bucs SB highlights!
FML FML FML!
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:51 am
Artest to Brooklyn for draft picks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:52 am
I watched the Laker Bulls game last night and it was tied late until Chi. pulled away. I’m a Bulls fan, but i’ve seen a few Laker games this yr. and one thing that stands out is that there’s no player to take over the game in crunch time for LA.
It used to be Kobe.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:52 am
1196.J Hill Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:48 am
I wonder if we can trade Howard to Philly for Bynum and Holiday?
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lol, Bynum in street clothes is better than Howard? You might have me convinced!
They need to look at game film of how the Magic got Howard the ball, and run with that.
What a joke.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:53 am
Here is the article on his hiring, it appears he isn’t the OL coach, but has been hired to be the run game coordinator? Must have brought him in to make better use of Ray Rice, and Bernard Pierce who is a fantastic compliment to Rice
“This just maybe the piece of news that solidifies who I pull for in the upcoming Super Bowl. John Harbaugh announced today that Juan Castillo has joined the Baltimore Ravens as a consultant heading into the Super Bowl and will officially take the role of Running Game Coordinator next season.
That means Juan Castillo will be there in New Orleans for the Super Bowl in two weeks and just might get himself a ring. This comes only months after Andy Reid, by his own admission, undeservedly fired him from his job as Eagles defensive coordinator. That of course came about a year after he was unexpectedly elevated to that position from offensive line coach in the wake of the lockout.
Juan got a raw deal here and there’s some poetic justice that he may get the ultimate last laugh in the form of a Super Bowl ring.
The Baltimore Sun reports that Castillo has been around the Ravens for the past couple of weeks and has eve been in attendance at the game. And this is not just John Harbaugh hiring a guy he worked with for a long time here in Philadelphia. Castillo was a really good offensive line coach and there’s no doubt in my mind that he’ll be an asset to the Ravens.
While we’re on the subject of redemption… Harbaugh also announced that Jim Caldwell, who got fired after the Colts lost Peyton Manning for a year and “sucked for Luck,” will stay on as offensive coordinator next season. He got that job after Harbaugh made the decision to fire Cam Cameron when the Ravens offense was sputtering earlier this season. Caldwell, who was made to look completely ineffective and just a product of Peyton Manning, has completely turned the Ravens offense around and been a big part of this run to a Super Bowl.”
Good for both of these guys.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:53 am
I’m not watching either, Dakota.
Don’t even know when they are playing is why I’m missing the games. When have you ever not even paid attention to the schedule, lol.
SMH
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:54 am
You have to force Artest on any team that wants Gasol.
Would the Bulls give up Boozer and Deng, or Boozer and Hinrich for Artest and Gasol?
Not sure what we would do at SF, but at this point it doesn’t even matter.
Should have hired Phil.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:55 am
Tim just hates Callahan period. Hates he got another OC gig in Dallas, he also hates Trestman, hates he got a HC gig, thats why he said he isnt a leader of men. Doesn’t hurt to grab some headlines too.
Even if Callahan did change the game plan from a run heavy attack to throwing it 60 times on friday, the fact that you were missing your best run blocker coupled with the fact that you got behind what was it 21-3 at halftime, that left no choice but to change the game plan anyway.
Doesn’t change the fact that Gannon stunk it up that day, that was the biggest reason for the demise period. It was Gannon who sabotaged the super bowl not Callahan.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:56 am
Glad to see the Raiders finally did something. Don’t know how excited i am about Greg Olson but we’ll see.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:57 am
If the damned Eagles would have taken care of business and beat TB the week before, Al would have had his 4th ring….thanks to Gruden.
I blame McNabb.
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:58 am
From the archives:
Fred Says:
October 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
My theory is “Ten…and Then” Give Reggie 10 years to right the ship and at least 8-9 yr’s. to see a winning record.
I think that’s enough time to see if Reggie is the man for the job.
If we can’t obtain a winning record in 9 yr’s maybe it will time to think about making a change.
Give Reg at least 15 yr’s. to get us into the SB.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:02 am
Phil couldn’t do anything with this roster either.
Too old on the perimeter defensively.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:21 am
its not ten and then anymore its 9 and whine…keep up.
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How about 8 and we’re not great?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:08 am
Fakers talk?!
Fakers Suck, and they could have hired Phil.
LOL @ The Fakers!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:09 am
…more words of wisdom from the archives:
Fred Says:
October 30th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Reggie is weaving a quilt. And similar to a seasoned artisan he will take his time honing his craft and weaving a winner.
Right now, he is still preparing for his entrance into the fabric store to shop for his patterns and fabric.
He will eliminate more bad contracts and slowly, painstakingly weave his quilt.
Reggie is no rush and neither should we be. Building a winner takes years and years of patience is the quilt is weaved one painfully crafted seam at a time.
We must do this is slowly as possible. To try and build a winner too quickly is foolishness. We must wait patiently to see this develop into what may one day result in a measure of success.
“Ten and then” means 10 yr’s. till we see some measurable growth…and then….we wait patiently as Reggie weaves his quilt…
I may have been optimistic in looking to yr. 17 of his tenure as being one we could reasonably look to for a SB championship…it most likely will take much longer than that.
Patience my friends…the quilt will be weaved…but it will be weaved slowly and painfully until one day we may be able to look back and say…it was all worth it while we admire the superior craftsmanship of championship fabric.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:09 am
1210.J Hill Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:02 am
Phil couldn’t do anything with this roster either.
Too old on the perimeter defensively.
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Phil would have the ball going inside to Gasol and Dwight first, and he would have Artest and Kobe under control.
The offense would be rhythmic, instead of looking like five turrets syndrome high schoolers are out there playing. Turnovers would be way down.
Fix the offense and that would help the defense.
Also, running the triangle usually meant there were two players near the top of the key who could get back on defense when a shot was missed….which would help stop the fast break points.
And of course, accountability. None of them respect DAntoni….he runs a gimmick offense with no mention of defense and has never won a thing as a HC. The players respect the 11 rings.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:10 am
cant believe someone actually said ten…lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:11 am
LOL DJ.
That Monkey is on drugs.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:12 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:21 am
its not ten and then anymore its 9 and whine…keep up.
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How about 8 and we’re not great?
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Followed by…
7 and this sure isn’t heaven.
6 and taking our licks
5 and barely alive
4 and can’t take much more
3 and when are the playoffs gonna be?
2 and another new crew
1 and done in the playoffs!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:15 am
Allen and staff = ham and cheese omelette without ham and cheese
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This is the kind of humor that keeps me coming here day after day… good Schit!…lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:15 am
You’re fooling yourself, Dakota.
Nash, Kobe, Artest = can’t guard anyone.
We might not have lost 9 of 11, but we wouldn’t be better than 7th or 8th.
Dwight Howard getting the ball down low so he can shoot 40% from the line when he get fouled???
Speaking of turrets, that’s Howard offensively, brush, lol. Brick phuccing city outside of dunking. LOL at his attempts at the Olajuwon shake moves and trying to shoot off the glass. That left handed shot???? GTFOH. He’s a phuccing clown!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am
Chris Mortensen @Mortreport
Former Raiders FB John Ritchie texts: “I’ve said it for years. What we practiced heavily during the week is not what we ran in (SB XXVII)”
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am
1220.boss01 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:16 am
Chris Mortensen @Mortreport
Former Raiders FB John Ritchie texts: “I’ve said it for years. What we practiced heavily during the week is not what we ran in (SB XXXVII)”
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:17 am
Some good comments on the pft tim brown thread.
It will be on top in another hour
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/21/tim-brown-suggests-sabotage-by-bill-callahan-in-super-bowl-xxxvi/#comments
Who is Kriby?
cbad760 says: Jan 21, 2013 9:59 PM
barret didnt go nuts because of Callahan. Anybody that has heard the real story knows his issue was with terry kriby. fact.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:19 am
ritchie agrees oh oh…this gaining steam…i have newperson to dislike…callahan!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:21 am
imagine if that huge line wouldve just be allowed to play there game?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:23 am
I don’t want to complain about 2002, i want to complain about this year >:/
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am
I got free Laker tickets for this Friday. It’s fitting that’d I’d be lucky enough to get free tickets this year. They’re just not good. No other way to put it.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am
Theres a guy I miss, Jon Ritchie… Blood always on his face, played hard… a textbook RAIDER IMO!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am
Highly doubt any coach would throw a superbowl, including Callahan. Not saying I agree with his gameplan but at the same time there was no “sabotage”.
We need some new thing to talk about folks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:25 am
Kirby….Terry Kirby
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:28 am
Anyone seen the new Nike commercial with Mcllroy and Tiger?
Just seen it yesterday, thought it was genius!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NCDYjHtEcU
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:28 am
Kirby?
Wasn’t he a backup RB/ STs player?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:30 am
Chris Mortensen @Mortreport
Anonymous Raiders’ starter says there was always dysfunction but didn’t support Brown’s version. “Bill wanted to kick (Gruden’s) ass.”
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:30 am
kirby had a decent role that year…not saying callahan sabotaged the game but was a stupid decision to change gameplan…ayways has reggie found an ihop in mobile?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:32 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:24 am
Highly doubt any coach would throw a superbowl, including Callahan. Not saying I agree with his gameplan but at the same time there was no “sabotage”.
We need some new thing to talk about folks.
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Our C was MIA
Our MVP QB threw 5 INTs
The play calling was predictable
SABOTAGE!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
29 years ago today the Raiders defeated the Redskins in Super Bowl XVIII.
Damn, its been 29 years since the last super bowl. Good thing we have Reggie to fall back on.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:33 am
Only thing I question is the timing of it…why now? Can’t believe that Tim Brown would care if Callahan gets teh OC job…
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:34 am
isnt tim from dallas?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:35 am
That’s the only thing I can think of, Al! But still…
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:36 am
isnt tim from dallas?
Yes….
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:39 am
ten what?
and then….what
just trying to decode what urban lingo is “ten and then” I’m afraid it’s both before my time and after my time. Some help please…anyone.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:41 am
NFL: Around_The_League @NFL_ATL
Gregg Williams allowed to pursue coaching jobs
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DA hired the wrong Greg. Hire Gregg for LB’s coach.
The current linebacking corps needs some infusion of some “Kill the head and the body will die” methodology.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:43 am
ten and then is reggies master plan for playoff eligibility…he needs ten years to truly see if its possible to make it into the playoffs…then he will reevaluate…lol…
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:47 am
That means Juan Castillo will be there in New Orleans for the Super Bowl in two weeks and just might get himself a ring. This comes only months after Andy Reid, by his own admission, undeservedly fired him from his job as Eagles defensive coordinator. That of course came about a year after he was unexpectedly elevated to that position from offensive line coach in the wake of the lockout.
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Never understood the move by Reid from the offense to the defense. Reminds me a little of Hue Jacskon’s role of offense to defense, except for Castillo getting a promotion.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:52 am
what’s up blog goobers, dweebs, brahs !
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:52 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:39 am
ten what?
and then….what
just trying to decode what urban lingo is “ten and then” I’m afraid it’s both before my time and after my time. Some help please…anyone.
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Lol Guest,
I think it’s some folks just sayin “Chill”…. That this won’t be fixed next year, or the year after.
Not hoping for “Lightning in a bottle” scenarios where we experience spurts of competitiveness but, rather building an empire. The kind that is “Expected” to be in the post season year after year after year. If that’s what you want…. Gotta wait more.
I think that’s what they mean.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:52 am
We need to hire Greg (kill the head) Williams ASAP
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:52 am
Good Morning Raider brethren,
Anyone else concerned that we don’t have our new O-line coach in place to help with evaluation at the Senior Bowl? Not to mention LB coach as well? Besides, I didn’t think Holland did a bad job in the first place.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 am
That was one of my ??? Why was Holland fired?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 am
T Sparano for OL coach would be an awesome hire, ROb Ryan or G Williams for LB coach
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:56 am
The NFL re-instated Williams? Yeah, I would take him as our LBer coach, and once Tarver falls on his face again Williams can become our DC.
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Rob Ryan was finally in St Louis interviewing for the DC job…wonder why he wasn’t hired? 5 minutes not up yet? But yeah, I will bring him back for LB coach!
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:55 am
That was one of my ??? Why was Holland fired?
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I guess someone had to be the fall guy on D?
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Linebackers regressed as the year went on , Burris was stopping everything in its tracks first half then he forgot how to tackle 2nd half, Wheeler was get exposed against the run and pass, McClain didn’t wanted to b there
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:59 am
Dakota Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:56 am
The NFL re-instated Williams? Yeah, I would take him as our LBer coach, and once Tarver falls on his face again Williams can become our DC.
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Sounds good, but do we want to give NFL officials another reason to throw ‘mystery’ flags against us?
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:00 am
Why was Dline coach retained? The Dline only showed up in certain games and that was only against the run game, they never showed up against pass game in any of their 16 games, maybe lack of talent??
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:01 am
“Or he’s an egomaniacal plotter and schemer. Seemed more likely to be the first one.”
Mark my words: talk to those who know him and you’ll find Te’O is a compulsive story teller (yep, liar), and he masterminded this.
Notre Dame is aware of it, but is in so deep in protecting him that they’ve doubled down.
Go back and look at the ESPN early interview about his grandmother’s death and that of his “girlfriend.” He was too eager to talk about both–people in real life don’t.
The most telling thing of all is that MT spoke of this girl and allowed others to speak of her as his “girlfriend,” not his “friend.”
Compulsive lying is much more common than most people know. Many compulsives have been telling stories since late childhood or early adolescence. It’s a hard thing for the mental health experts and researchers to study because they are almost impossible to get into treatment. When they DO go, it’s because a spouse has had it and they attend a few sessions to save their family relationships before they bow out. Therapists add that the other reason it’s hard to treat them is because they lie in therapy.
The lying falls into a lot of different categories, but there are similarities, two of which certainly jump out at you with Te’O: 1) the liar tells stories that serve to make him look good in the eyes of those he wishes to impress; 2) many liars often resort to a common attention getting strategy of making their listeners feel sorr for them since it means they can then tell a story of overcoming great sorrow.
It’s easy, looking at descriptions of such people, to think they are awful people, but most of the time, they’re not. They are our kind and trusted neighbors, our valued colleagues, etc. They are often productive members of society. Their lying comes to be the kind of addiction that drug addicts have–the same reward circuitry in the brain is seen in scans.
For some, the lying becomes compulsive and as such, is seen by many in the health fields as falling into the same category as kleptomania, an OCD disorder.
The lying is out of control when it becomes apparent that the risk of the lie being discovered far outweights the benefits of the lie yet the liar can’t stop and often doubles and triples down.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:01 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Linebackers regressed as the year went on , Burris was stopping everything in its tracks first half then he forgot how to tackle 2nd half, Wheeler was get exposed against the run and pass, McClain didn’t wanted to b there
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OK, but with Burris I think he hit the ‘rookie wall’. Expecting good thing from him next year. We need to resign Wheeler. McClain was a headache from day one.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
Rob Ryan should be reminded constantly just how long his 5 minutes actually lasted. Regardless if he lands that DC job in St Lou or not. In the real world, a good job is nothing to take for granted. Hope he learns some humility, but probably not.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
sullivan’s a huge 49ers fan. guessing he’s loving his time over at some niners blog. though it’s weird he isn’t in here showing off.
Guy has some good points at times, though his baiting and negativity are a bit over the top.
I just try to be honest. Things haven’t been good for a decade, and I’m usually one of the few in here not drinking the kool-aid.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:06 am
Tim is a diva. Easy enough.
When Bugel was hired, Brown praised that they were going to a “player’s coach” after the methodical Mike White.
When Gruden came in, Brown praised the discipline Gruden wanted to instill.
When Callahan took over, Brown talked about finally having someone that would just treat them like men.
Brown just likes attention. Whines about everything.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:07 am
I’ve always said it that “Bill Callahan and Jon Gruden were in it together to sabotage our Raiders.Some day it will all come out!THE NON-BELIEVERS BEWARE!After that Grudens coaching career went spiraling down.Tim Brown is Dead-Right!!!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:14 am
Assuming Reggie builds the trenches thru the draft and acquires FA skill position help, who do you think the big splash will be??
It should be a #1 WR IMO, Greg Jennings??
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:14 am
alex7 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
I just try to be honest. Things haven’t been good for a decade, and I’m usually one of the few in here not drinking the kool-aid.
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I think Raider fans are at a crossroads. In the past we have never heard Al say ‘we can’t do it’ in relation to getting a coach or player. Al always sold people on becoming a part of ‘the greatness of the Raiders’. So we don’t know how to handle it. Our identity is in question as an organization right now. This is why most want Gruden to ‘come home’. He is the only remaining link to when the Raiders were relevant. The rumors that the feeling is mutual only intensifies the frustration with our current state.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:15 am
old story, it ain’t going to give the SB to us, only thing it might prove is we weren’t as bad as the score suggested, but what are we going to do with moral victory 10 years after lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:15 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
Highly doubt any coach would throw a superbowl, including Callahan. Not saying I agree with his gameplan but at the same time there was no “sabotage”.
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An entire MLB team (except one player) wouldn’t conspire to throw a World Series. An MLB manager wouldn’t bet on his own team’s games. NFL and MLB players would never use PEDs to cheat.
There’s never any reason to believe that coaches and players have anything but honest and sincere intentions, right?
And it sure is funny that some of you guys really believe that the refs intentionally fk over the Raiders, but have a hard time believing players or coaches would do the same. Unbelievable.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:17 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Linebackers regressed as the year went on , Burris was stopping everything in its tracks first half then he forgot how to tackle 2nd half, Wheeler was get exposed against the run and pass, McClain didn’t wanted to b there
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Not only did Burris hit “the wall”, but he played damn near every snap of 20 games. He went start to finish throughout the whole pre-season. He’s probably logged more playing time than anybody on the roster last year, FACT…….Boy was doggone wore out.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am
Never liked Callahan, Tim might be onto something, but who cares anymore
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am
R8drinOK
Your point is solid, but Davis saying we can get anyone, and actually getting legit players in Oakland, are two separate things.
The last time we had legit free agents that signed with Oakland was when Bruce Allen was GM and bringing in veterans that didn’t have the “size/speed” that Davis coveted.
We brought an old Rod Woodson, an old William Thomas, an old and slower Jerry Rice, the anti-Dudley TE in Rolando Williams, the solid John Parella, and the “weak-armed” (to Davis) Gannon.
We have a GM now who will value those types of players, unlike Davis who just brought us Javon Walker and D’Angelo Hall the last 10 years.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:19 am
Callahan changed our Raiders game plan on the FRIDAY before that Superbowl and that drove some of our RAIDERS CRAZY.That change caused Barrett Robbins to lose it.We all know what happened after that.BARRETT ROBBINS was straight the whole year until that Callahan made that horrible change.Gruden was in on it!!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:20 am
theghostronin79 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:17 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 8:57 am
Linebackers regressed as the year went on , Burris was stopping everything in its tracks first half then he forgot how to tackle 2nd half, Wheeler was get exposed against the run and pass, McClain didn’t wanted to b there
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Not only did Burris hit “the wall”, but he played damn near every snap of 20 games. He went start to finish throughout the whole pre-season. He’s probably logged more playing time than anybody on the roster last year, FACT…….Boy was doggone wore out.
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Yeah i never really thought about that, and apparently coaches didn’t either
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:21 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
Never liked Callahan, Tim might be onto something, but who cares anymore
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I agree. The Raiders are not going to be posthumously awarded the Lombardi. But if it did happen, I would like to see it end the careers of Callahan and any other accomplices.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:22 am
Conspiracy…c…o…n…spiarcy!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:22 am
AL made horrible move after horrible move post 03
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:23 am
Well, if it went that rout…it can go back a year earlier when Gruden said that they will never let YOU guys win anything!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:24 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:21 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
Never liked Callahan, Tim might be onto something, but who cares anymore
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I agree. The Raiders are not going to be posthumously awarded the Lombardi. But if it did happen, I would like to see it end the careers of Callahan and any other accomplices.
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Yup you never know, it might end his career and everyone in on it
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:24 am
Jon Gruden wont coach again because he knows what he did and it bothers him,Its on his CONSCIENCE!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:24 am
I think Raider fans are at a crossroads. In the past we have never heard Al say ‘we can’t do it’ in relation to getting a coach or player. Al always sold people on becoming a part of ‘the greatness of the Raiders’
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Who cares what Al did. He had 4 winning seasons since the inception of the salary cap, his way DID NOT WORK!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:25 am
So would Harbaugh brothers conspire to give older brother the trophy out of love, or younger jimmy boy?
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:25 am
Rookie wall, worn out or whatever, what a great draft pick Burris turned out to be. Give us 9 more on D like he and Houston, then we might have something…
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:27 am
Al’s Man D was the main culprit, the could def pick the talent and stuff, now only if he let guys do their things, it might have been a different story, we might have been in the SB , with A rodgers throwing to Calvin johnson
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:28 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:25 am
Rookie wall, worn out or whatever, what a great draft pick Burris turned out to be. Give us 9 more on D like he and Houston, then we might have something…
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YUP, and Streater on O would eventually turn out to be top receiver in the league
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:29 am
Our lbs and D in general will always wear out. We basicly play two 3 technique dts.. we really need a space eater dt and a rush end. That will keep the other team on their side of the los.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:29 am
These phony Raider fans saying so what its old news.Old NEWS–hell we want JUSTICE!!Im a TRIPLE DIE-HARD RAIDER fan and I want Justice!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:30 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
So would Harbaugh brothers conspire to give older brother the trophy out of love, or younger jimmy boy?
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Nah. Brothers have that natural rivalry. I guarantee you Eli and Peyton wouldn’t go easy on each other in a game.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:31 am
This may sound like a consipiracy theory, but I hold that the rules changes over the years, stickum, no more holy roller fumbles, 5 yard chuck rule, defenseless receiver, all the rules putting a skirt on the QB, the tuck rule, etc..
all those rules made playing Raider football ILLEGAL. It’s a consipiracy by the NFL to wussify the league and make the Raiders play the game by sissy rules. Bring back the old rules and watch the greatness of the Raiders reborn!
Ok, end tin-foil-hat discussion.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:32 am
alex7 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:18 am
R8drinOK
Your point is solid, but Davis saying we can get anyone, and actually getting legit players in Oakland, are two separate things.
The last time we had legit free agents that signed with Oakland was when Bruce Allen was GM and bringing in veterans that didn’t have the “size/speed” that Davis coveted.
We brought an old Rod Woodson, an old William Thomas, an old and slower Jerry Rice, the anti-Dudley TE in Rolando Williams, the solid John Parella, and the “weak-armed” (to Davis) Gannon.
We have a GM now who will value those types of players, unlike Davis who just brought us Javon Walker and D’Angelo Hall the last 10 years.
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Alex7, agree with you that Al’s last ten years as a GM were unacceptable. What concerns me now is Reggie and DA’s ability to convince players or coaches to choose the Raiders over the rest of the league. All we can do is hope Reggie and DA have what it takes to change the perception of the Raiders. So far it doesn’t look good. We desperately need Reggie to show up big time in this draft …
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:33 am
reggie is mad at the donut delivery guy…he forgot his maple bars…
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:34 am
Mcfadden20,the Harbaugh are brothers that blood its thicker than water.Callahan situation with Gruden is different.Theres no blood involved.Dah!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:36 am
I wasnt that impressed with burris
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:38 am
Lol, Guest 1285. Well, you would think those rule changes would affect teams like the Ravens, Steelers, and Niners but they still bring the wood. Then again, there were some outright phony calls against our D when we played the Texans last year. Refs in that game practically made it illegal to tackle a Texan.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:39 am
How many catches did streater have? He looked ok to me.. but overall, it was a weak draft for us, as expected.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:40 am
1258.guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
Rob Ryan should be reminded constantly just how long his 5 minutes actually lasted. Regardless if he lands that DC job in St Lou or not. In the real world, a good job is nothing to take for granted. Hope he learns some humility, but probably not.
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Jerry Jones came out after the 2011 season and announced that he would gladly allow Ryan to interview for other positions….no one took him up on his offer. I think there is less of a market for the moron Ryan than he is willing to believe.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:41 am
It wasn’t the catches, i think Streater was getting better with more game time, n at the end of the year he was our best WR, DHB , DMOORE were nowhere to be seen, with more experience, he would eventually be a pretty good #2 with us next season and have chance to become #1 year after
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 am
Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:36 am
I wasnt that impressed with burris
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Pretty good for a 4th round pick though, he has some instincts and upside. He just needs to work on tackling.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:44 am
R8drinOK Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:42 am
Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:36 am
I wasnt that impressed with burris
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Pretty good for a 4th round pick though, he has some instincts and upside. He just needs to work on tackling.
Maybe convince Singletary to come back to the bay!
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 am
Berg was basically a 4th rd pick,if you take into account that he came with the Comp pick, which is at the end of 3rd rd n he had Greg Knapp and Pollack as his coaches, so it’s still a wait n see with him, Burris was our best pick in terms of production, followed by Streater, Bilukidi and Crawford are projects at this time, Criner was hobbled by nagging injuries , so he’s wait n see, i expect all 6 to get better though,
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 am
yeah I guess I get what you’re saying they keep their jobs.. but we need some superstars. Some real studs that can carry the jags on this roster.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am
We do need superstars at every position, If we can get a super along the O line and Dlines and at FS that would be good enough lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am
for this year atleast, to get by
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am
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YUP, and Streater on O would eventually turn out to be top receiver in the league
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He was a pleasant surprise. He does one thing that I really like. He goes up and “Snatches” the ball; doesn’t let it come to him. Sure he had some drops, but he didn’t come from the same pedegree as Julio Jones or anything. Wasn’t a top receiver in the country on a powerhouse team. For what he brings with limited experience, he was a damn black-market diamond. Once he gets all the nuances down, and has a year of “Game Speed” under his belt. He’ll be a Big Time factor.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:49 am
1296,
I thought Burris did well, but then someone posted a stat from somewhere …some rating thing, that said he was the worst OLB in the league last yr.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
Berg was basically a 4th rd pick,if you take into account that he came with the Comp pick, which is at the end of 3rd rd n he had Greg Knapp and Pollack as his coaches, so it’s still a wait n see with him,
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Wait and see? He was drafted specifically to be groomed into the new ZBS and now we chucked that out the window. Wasn’t good enough to crack the rotation before, so where does that leave him going forward? Maybe another wasted draft pick…
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:46 am
Berg was basically a 4th rd pick,if you take into account that he came with the Comp pick, which is at the end of 3rd rd n he had Greg Knapp and Pollack as his coaches, so it’s still a wait n see with him, Burris was our best pick in terms of production, followed by Streater, Bilukidi and Crawford are projects at this time, Criner was hobbled by nagging injuries , so he’s wait n see, i expect all 6 to get better though,
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I thought Bilukidi was starting to show up later in the season when he was playing more. I saw his huge body around the football all the time. For as big as he is, he’s pretty dang fast getting out to the perimeter. He wasn’t a “Bad” pick, but a project non the less.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
Streater wasnt our best wr.. if you can’t block you cant start. He looks ok. But so did jerry porter.. ill wait and see. As for now we had no impact rookies last year. we can’t keep doing that.
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:54 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
Berg was basically a 4th rd pick,if you take into account that he came with the Comp pick, which is at the end of 3rd rd n he had Greg Knapp and Pollack as his coaches, so it’s still a wait n see with him,
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Wait and see? He was drafted specifically to be groomed into the new ZBS and now we chucked that out the window. Wasn’t good enough to crack the rotation before, so where does that leave him going forward? Maybe another wasted draft pick…
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You never know he might find a starting gig in our new scheme, n may end up being better suited for this than the ZBS
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:56 am
Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
Streater wasnt our best wr.. if you can’t block you cant start. He looks ok. But so did jerry porter.. ill wait and see. As for now we had no impact rookies last year. we can’t keep doing that.
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you’re looking for Impact from your first 3 rds, we didn’t pick our first player until at #96, which is basically like a 1st pick in 4th rd, n that player was along the Oline, coached by G Knapp and Pollack, but Burris and Streater did good enough jobs , if you consider where we picked them up from , 4th/5th rounder and UDFA
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am
REg will manage to get a pick in 2nd round, he should hit on his first 3 rounds for us to get better, any steals in 4-7 and a few more Streaters in UDFA would be a plus
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:59 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:50 am
Berg was basically a 4th rd pick,if you take into account that he came with the Comp pick, which is at the end of 3rd rd n he had Greg Knapp and Pollack as his coaches, so it’s still a wait n see with him,
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Wait and see? He was drafted specifically to be groomed into the new ZBS and now we chucked that out the window. Wasn’t good enough to crack the rotation before, so where does that leave him going forward? Maybe another wasted draft pick…
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I won’t make that call yet. He’s not a Joekel, or Michael Oher -somebody who’s drafted and expected to start right away…. I didn’t honestly expect him to come in here and just “TAKE” somebody’s job, but I did think he’d play sooner than he did. When did he finally start?….Carolina? Still gotta wait with him.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am
Meyers needs a replacment too. Kid cant block.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am
Built the trenches and get a number 1 WR in free agency
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am
I like Rod Streater. Was a breakout player considering where he came from and his UDFA status. But I consider the talk about him even being in the conversation as being our best WR a direct indictment on the regression of the offense. That simply should never be the case that a UDFA street guy outworks and outplays rising stars-to-be Moore and DHB, not to mention much heralded rookie WR Criner. A whole lot has to go wrong for a Rod Streater to end up on top.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:02 am
Maybe another wasted draft pick…
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Or MAYBE or starting RG.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:03 am
I won’t make that call yet. He’s not a Joekel, or Michael Oher -somebody who’s drafted and expected to start right away…. I didn’t honestly expect him to come in here and just “TAKE” somebody’s job, but I did think he’d play sooner than he did. When did he finally start?….Carolina? Still gotta wait with him.
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My concern is that he was drafted because of his college experience at LT in the ZBS system, which employs smaller, quicker linemen. He’s not even quick really, shifty is about it. And certainly not a power blocker. He’s got a battle ahead of him in this new system.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:04 am
1306. I know.. thats why i said our weak draft was expected..
but this year’s different, we have a high first round pick and we should be able to get a star player. at least 1 impact player. anything else is a major setback.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:05 am
Either you can play or you can’t.
Streater looked like our best WR since camp.
DHB was not a “rising star”. I think that kill shot he took impacted his season more that the “scheme”.
Running wrong routes and dropping balls is not scheme related.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am
Cooper, Bresiel and Barnes can take a hike already. So there should be openings for the young guys to compete and earn one of those spots.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am
I like Rod Streater. Was a breakout player considering where he came from and his UDFA status. But I consider the talk about him even being in the conversation as being our best WR a direct indictment on the regression of the offense. That simply should never be the case that a UDFA street guy outworks and outplays rising stars-to-be Moore and DHB, not to mention much heralded rookie WR Criner. A whole lot has to go wrong for a Rod Streater to end up on top.
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All true. Except Criner didn’t get a fair evaluation. He was hurt in camp, and it lingered all year. He came in the game late -in certain situations- and delivered. 2pt conversion against Tampa, Jumped into a Red zone situation (forget which game) and hauled in a TD. We need him to put together a complete season, but I think he’ll be a contributer. Moore absolutely face planted last year, and DHB…Well, he’s DHB.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:06 am
So we got Greg Olson.
Not a impresive hire given what the other AFC West team did.
I hope that DA hires Hal Hunter for OL coach, he was let go by SD. hes a good coach. Was hired initially by Shotenheimer there at SD as an asistant OL coach.
But dont hire Sparano. They let Juan Castillo go though….
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:07 am
Running wrong routes and dropping balls is not scheme related.
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at least DHB is consistent.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:09 am
JT
Juan Castillo chose the Ravens over us. Not a shocker. We didn’t let him go because we never had him.
Sparano as line-coach would be a steal. Playoff teams are full of former HCs as assistants.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:10 am
We should definitely overpay for a #1 wr. thats if we want to win this year. If we’re looking at the long term we should start Pryor trade everybody and pick up Clowney.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:11 am
I hope this draft addresses the defense primarily. We are older and slower and need a huge influx of raw talent and youth on that side of the ball. The offense can be solved or improved radically at least just with good coaching. It’s not as bad as last year and not as good as two years ago. But our defense is as bad as its ever been, and reached historically bad last year. With defensive coach holdovers, Tarver and Allen we need to reload the ammo for the D line and focus in on just that in free agency and draft.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:12 am
CC and Barnes are FA’s i think, Briesel needs to take a hike along with W Smith
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:15 am
alex7 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:09 am
JT
Juan Castillo chose the Ravens over us. Not a shocker. We didn’t let him go because we never had him.
Sparano as line-coach would be a steal. Playoff teams are full of former HCs as assistants.
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Theres also Russ Grim out there for OL coach.
Being in SD i saw what Hal Hunter did over the years. That SD O line was a ever changing unit, but produced some steady play. Its just that Norv Turner got enamored with the pass, and never commited to the run like a Shotenheimer would. But Hal Hunter at OL coach, and with 24 Mathews running, chargers could have run the ball better if they wanted.
I would hire that guy over Sparano. What is Sparanos resume? Other that being a Parcells guys, but did he produce a good o line over the years?
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:21 am
Too much money is invested in Players. with little in Return, Branch, Huff, Kelly, DHB, Mcfadden (only plays half a year)Palmer (Is okay but should not be making double digit Ms) Rolando Mcshooter
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:22 am
Im thinking this next hire Ol coach will be the most important in the offseason, because last season we could not run the ball, period.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dont really know much about Olson, but just the fact that he runs a power scheme tells me that he’s already an upgrade over Krapp..
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am
need to get some players who give us some return for all their money
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 am
What a trip.
The way the qb is being evaluated for dual threat ability has never been done this way, nor have offenses in the nfl been built like we are seeing.
Dont believe or agree? Dont take my word for it, try former nfl qb seneca wallace drafted in the same class as michel vick.
here is what he says about the issue
“You have to remember that when I was drafted, around the same time that Michael Vick was drafted, it was a different league. The teams that took us both knew that we can run and have the arm to back it up but that wasn’t how it was back then. We were told to stay in the pocket for as long as possible then only if it was necessary we could run out. Or they would let us use our feet on third and five’s and run a draw.
Nowadays, teams are using the quarterbacks intelligence and letting them use their feet if they want. I never thought I’d ever see the option run in the NFL but its been done and it works. I’m still happy with the way my career has gone but I can’t imagine what might have happened if I was brought in using this system.”- seneca wallace
I See a young newton and griffin in college, and boldly predict that if a team drafts them and builds an offense that uses their unique dual threat talents, not only would that qb and team find success but it would revolutionize the qb postion and football forever.
i christened this movement with newton and griffin at the forefront ‘the wave of the future”.
well it has happened, and now there are hybrid offenses popping up all over the nfl.
So while people tried to point to tarkenton staubach, and douglass elwAY young to discredit the new group, it simply doesnt stand up to the test. As those guys didnt have the speed and some didnt have the arm.
While some guys from the past would fit the mold, they are named caunnigham, mcnair, stewart, mcnabb, bishop, frazier, vick and few others.
so i will politely disagree once again with those that refuse to acknowledge what is the cold hard truth.
The wave of the future is here, and it is revolutionizing football and the nfl
the saga continues
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 am
Any caricatures of Kappy out there? Seems like he’d make a funny one, small head, big body, big nose, etc.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am
LOL
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:37 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:36 am
blah, blah, blah………….
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:39 am
criner couldnt get away from the towel boy…
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
So Jon Ritchie backs up Brown, Romo calls him delusional, and Crockett says the change in game plan was a result of Robbins going AWOL.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
Dr Robert, paging Dr Robert,
You’ve got a call on line 1329.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:43 am
SaintKaufman Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
Dr Robert, paging Dr Robert,
You’ve got a call on line 1329.
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Please don’t encourage it.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am
Banana,
This is old news by Brown. Not sure why the media is jerking themselves to it this time. Maybe Brown didn’t use sabotage years ago but he certainly couldn’t have spelled it out any more clearly.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:44 am
Dr Robert, paging Dr Robert,
You’ve got a call on line 1329.
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LOL
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:45 am
We all agree that Knapp was a bad offensive coordinator right? On the scale of 1 to 10, he’s probably 11 on the bad scale, anyone disagree???
Knapp was resposnsible for a seasonlong PPG avg of 18.1 PPG last year. Olson, our new OC… his BEST year he produced 21.3 PPG. So, where does that rank Olson on the bad scale, objectively?
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:45 am
Yes, I know it’s old, but its the first time it’s getting any media play and reaction.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:46 am
Everyone say thanks to Tim Brown for bringing more embarrassment to Raiders fans and the organization.
You can’t make claims like that unless you have proof, otherwise you just look foolish.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:47 am
It’s getting play now because of the timing. They’re looking for all sorts of stories in these 2 weeks leading up to the big game.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:50 am
Maybe Tim Brown is just venting about his dwindling chances of making the HOF and feels like he’s got nothing to lose, but his dignity. And he’s wrong about that too.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:55 am
I understand Warmack is dominant, but trading down to 15 or so and taking the 2nd best OG might not be a bad idea.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:56 am
Mission Successful
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:57 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:27 am
cant wait to relate to 8
Ten and Then, 9 and whine, only 8 till were great!
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:58 am
You can’t blame Tim Brown for being bitter about that Super Bowl; if Shakespeare had written a football tragedy, it would have had that plot.
The delusion, however, is something else entirely. Bill Callahan is not Iago.
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:58 am
Hill
I think you turn franchises around by drafting impact guys. Drafting the 2nd-best guard isn’t going to do much for us in the next 5 years.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:01 am
say no to offense in Draft , do you guys watch games? our D couldn’t get to qbs on 3rd and forevers and you guys want to help that unit by taking a OL in first rd ? you can’t just draft any guy in 3rd rd and expect him to make our pass rush better, take DE 1st RD, MLB 2nd (by trade), FS 3rd, Oline in 4th, wr with 4th Comp, DT5th (trade) rb 6th DE 6th comp – OLB with other 6th comp, TE with other 6th comp – OL with 7th
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:01 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:45 am
We all agree that Knapp was a bad offensive coordinator right? On the scale of 1 to 10, he’s probably 11 on the bad scale, anyone disagree???
Knapp was resposnsible for a seasonlong PPG avg of 18.1 PPG last year. Olson, our new OC… his BEST year he produced 21.3 PPG. So, where does that rank Olson on the bad scale, objectively?
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I would say Olson is like Knapp, just that he doesnt run the ZBS.
So, he may be a upgrade since #20 and our OL runs the power game better than the ZBS…
I predict a very boring offense, alas Dan Henning type, run oriented, with Palmer being a game manager, then going vertical on play action…
But in todays NFL, that type of offense relates to a 8-8 record or worse.
The only life saver would be if DA changes QB to #6, and we install a read option offense like the 49ers.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:02 am
1339.guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:45 am
We all agree that Knapp was a bad offensive coordinator right? On the scale of 1 to 10, he’s probably 11 on the bad scale, anyone disagree???
Knapp was resposnsible for a seasonlong PPG avg of 18.1 PPG last year. Olson, our new OC… his BEST year he produced 21.3 PPG. So, where does that rank Olson on the bad scale, objectively?
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I am certainly skeptical of this hire, but if he brings back the PBS, and I don’t think that he has ever had a QB as good as Palmer, and if we get a true #1 WR and fix the o-line….I think he can get us back to 2011 scoring levels of about 23 ppg.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am
Tim brown vs callahan.
Not really, it was the entire oakland roster vs callahan, and it culiminated the next year with ‘the dumbest team in america” qoute.
if it was intentional or not changing to a pass happy attack with gannon was foolish. You have to think that even a semi conscious hung over b robbins would have been better than his back up as well, so failing to suit him up was also a mistake in my view.
gannon quickly melted down and turned in the single worst superbowl performance in history.
he made tony eason/ steve grogan look like tom brady.
truly one of the worst days in raider history
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am
BACK-N-BLACK,ITS NOT AN EMBARRASSMENT IF ITS THE TRUTH AND IT IS THE TRUTH!!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:03 am
The Tim Brown story is old. We visited it several years ago on this blog. Had to dig to find it then, it’ll be much easier to google now. And other Raiders have verified that the game plan was changed. Sabotage, who knows? Brown said, “That can be my opinion, but I can’t say for a fact that that’s what his plan was, to sabotage the Super Bowl”.
Al Davis was accessible to players and was undoubtedly aware of the change. So, either he wasn’t a meddler (on offense, anyway) and said, “You’re the coach. It’s your call” or he actually instigated the change. I don’t think he meddled. He probably thought Callahan made a bad decision, Barrett Robbins went AWOL, and it was one of those games that gets away from you and snowballs out of control. He did keep him as head coach the following year. Our offense had flourished with Callahan as OC.
We did come out passing, and being down 17 pts. at halftime stuck with it. I mean, really stuck with it. See link. Hindsight’s wonderful, but I do remember, even in the second half, yelling “Run the damn ball”. In a bar on Isla Mujares off the Yucatan Penninsula as the lone Raider fan.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301260rai.htm
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:04 am
1350 JT
Thanks for feeding the troll with the last sentence
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
WE have to run better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:05 am
We have to pass better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am
We have to block better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am
We have to run routes better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am
We have to catch better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:06 am
We have to stop run better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
Jesusraiderjim Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:57 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 7:27 am
cant wait to relate to 8
Ten and Then, 9 and whine, only 8 till were great!
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How far can we take it?
7 and we’re in heaven
6 till we’re fixed
In 5 we’ll be live
4, any more?
3, can you see?
2, almost out of the blue
1, we’re finally DONE!
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
We have to cover receivers better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
we have to put pressure on qb better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
we have to tackle better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:07 am
Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
Streater wasnt our best wr.. if you can’t block you cant start. He looks ok. But so did jerry porter.. ill wait and see. As for now we had no impact rookies last year. we can’t keep doing that
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Thats one of the things that killed McF last season… the times he busted to the lines last year he was off to the races because our WRs cleaned out the CBs and safeties.
This year he just got pummeled by them.
Its a skill I bet Knapp didn’t even bother to bring up.
Why else would we go from having some of the best downfield blocking to the worst in one season??
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
we have to return and cover punts/kicks better
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
We suuccckkkkk at all those things , 9 and whine baby
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
I predict a very boring offense, alas Dan Henning type, run oriented, with Palmer being a game manager, then going vertical on play action…
But in todays NFL, that type of offense relates to a 8-8 record or worse.
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I agree with this. And I think you are being optimistic here. This was the script to being mediocre before the new pistol offenses came around. Too much can go wrong in this type of offense, relying on game management, long time consuming drives, error free football. Trying to keep up with today’s dizzying offensive systems we are trying to play catchup before the first snap.
In today’s NFL, that type of offense relates to a 6-10 record or worse. Our only saving grace will be strength of schedule.
So what is the plan Reggie? For us to strive to be mediocre? To get back to 8-8? Or to get back into the lottery pick section of the NFL draft? again and again. Is this what 10 and then means?
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:09 am
Good comments from Gannon on Sirius. Took a lot of responsiblilty for the SB debacle.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:10 am
1306.mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:56 am
Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:52 am
Streater wasnt our best wr.. if you can’t block you cant start. He looks ok. But so did jerry porter.. ill wait and see. As for now we had no impact rookies last year. we can’t keep doing that.
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you’re looking for Impact from your first 3 rds, we didn’t pick our first player until at #96, which is basically like a 1st pick in 4th rd, n that player was along the Oline, coached by G Knapp and Pollack, but Burris and Streater did good enough jobs , if you consider where we picked them up from , 4th/5th rounder and UDFA
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In regard to the losing of the draft picks I remember Hue saying “there are ways to get those back” by trades etc. which I think was his thinking.
I think Hue’s mindset was if Palmer gets us to the AFC title game all that was “mortgaged” would be forgotten.
He really believed Palmer was the missing piece.
It was a gamble and he lost it appears.
Funny. Chicago gave up more than we did for Palmer to get Cutler…TWO 1st rd’ers AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton and what has Cutler done for them? That’s a “get us to the SB” type of deal. He got em to the NFC title game but then bailed with his horrible “injury”.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:10 am
Well OG can be an impact position if you have guys like Carlisle and Briesel starting.
Definitely “impacted” our offense, lol.
Trade down, get more picks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:11 am
1309.Marks hair Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:00 am
Meyers needs a replacment too. Kid cant block.
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Vance Macdonald is killing it at senior bowl practices
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:11 am
A coaching staff can change its game plan on a Friday before a game w/out it being “sabotage.”
It could be
1) just plain dumb and incompetent
2) necessitated by something we don’t know about (an order from Al, an injury, an absence of a key player
but not “sabotage.” Brown is known for his unusual takes on things (thus, the word) and yes, Brown IS a diva in that he likes attention.
There isn’t a person on this blog who doesn’t know that if AL wanted a different game plan put in place, it would have been put in place; similarly, if Al did_not_want a different plan in place, it wouldn’t have been put in place.
Period.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:12 am
We need an OLB, CB, OG, WR, and RB out of this draft.
Need more picks!
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:14 am
I am certainly skeptical of this hire, but if he brings back the PBS, and I don’t think that he has ever had a QB as good as Palmer, and if we get a true #1 WR and fix the o-line….I think he can get us back to 2011 scoring levels of about 23 ppg.
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Is it realistic to think a new coordinator in his first year, revamping a scrapped offensive system from the previous year, new blocking system, arguably lesser talent than ever, is going to reach career highs in ppg? Isn’t that setting the bar a bit high?
I think he’s lucky to get us to 20 ppg ~roughly. That’s about a 2 pt increase over Krapp time. What’s that mean in terms of wins and losses? Maybe 6 wins next year? Again, is improvement of any kind the goal for 2013? Has the bar been lowered that far?
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
Need more picks!
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agreed. trade down and offer anyone and everyone as bait for picks.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
I wonder how much of that Cutler deal actually has led to the Bronco resurgence (outside of Manning of course)?
Broncos were able to use those extra 1st round picks to get Robert Ayres and Demaryous Thomas…also Knowshon Moreno and Tebow.
Not a bad deal for Denver even if u exclude Tebow.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:01 am
say no to offense in Draft , do you guys watch games?
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Yes. You obviously play Madden on Sundays instead.
Eight of the top 11 teams in the NFL made the playoffs this season.
Read that again.. ALL EIGHT of the playoff teams were in the top 11 in offense.
And people like you think the way to the playoffs is defense???
There have been years where two of the bottom 4 teams in defense still made the playoffs.
And you STILL think the way the playoffs is defense?
Indy and Wash picked just four players on defense BETWEEN them, and quickly became playoff participants…. and you STILL think the quick fix to the playoffs is defense.
Nope.. sorry. You fix the offense first… become a playoff team. THEN fix the defense. There’s already a blueprint in place. Reggie needs to follow this blueprint. I think he will.
If he uses this draft for mostly defense he doesn’t have a clue how to run a modern franchise. We should then just trade every single player under contract and be 0-16.
Then fire Reggie and draft every single player on offense the following year, starting with QB.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:20 am
I wonder how much of that Cutler deal actually has led to the Bronco resurgence (outside of Manning of course)?
Broncos were able to use those extra 1st round picks to get Robert Ayres and Demaryous Thomas…also Knowshon Moreno and Tebow.
Not a bad deal for Denver even if u exclude Tebow.
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Let’s be real. If Manning doesn’t go to Denver, all of those guys mentioned after his name are bums.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
Robinson is looking good at WR.
I like this Trufant kid at CB too.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
I wonder how much of that Cutler deal actually has led to the Bronco resurgence (outside of Manning of course)?
Broncos were able to use those extra 1st round picks to get Robert Ayres and Demaryous Thomas…also Knowshon Moreno and Tebow.
Not a bad deal for Denver even if u exclude Tebow.
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getting Von Miller helped , after they s9cked with Josh Mcdaniels
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:22 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:08 am
I predict a very boring offense, alas Dan Henning type, run oriented, with Palmer being a game manager, then going vertical on play action…
But in todays NFL, that type of offense relates to a 8-8 record or worse.
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I agree with this. And I think you are being optimistic here. This was the script to being mediocre before the new pistol offenses came around. Too much can go wrong in this type of offense, relying on game management, long time consuming drives, error free football. Trying to keep up with today’s dizzying offensive systems we are trying to play catchup before the first snap.
In today’s NFL, that type of offense relates to a 6-10 record or worse. Our only saving grace will be strength of schedule.
So what is the plan Reggie? For us to strive to be mediocre? To get back to 8-8? Or to get back into the lottery pick section of the NFL draft? again and again. Is this what 10 and then means?
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I agree: ….Trying to keep up with today’s dizzying offensive systems we are trying to play catchup before the first snap…
Like playing Denver/Manning…
I think Reggie is rebuilding the team with team leaders. Raiders need leaders on defense, like Ray Lewis or a Clay Mathews. Seymour was our defensive leader, and we know were that went.
So Reggie is rebuilding this thing, from the bottom. He will trade down and get picks, and draft defense and offense linemen. Period.
Raiders will be a run oriented team, with a bit of WCO problably. Olson coached under Gruden, so he may want to bring some of that here.
I would put #6 Pryor in. Palmer is history in terms of the modern QB. Hes stiff, a sack waiting to happen.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:23 am
mcfadden20. Says:
We have to block better
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Tom Cable; “ZBS, PBS, it’s football. Block your man”.
Hue Jackson; “If you don’t have the ball, you better be looking for someone to block”.
Like ‘em or not, both good quotes. Actually doing it would be nice, too.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:24 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:17 am
Need more picks!
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agreed. trade down and offer anyone and everyone as bait for picks.
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How many trophies has NE accumulated since they started accumulating picks outside of the top 15?
None. Zero. Zip.
They have been doing NOTHING besides trading down since they won their third ring… and have gotten nothing besides being the greatest regular season team in NFL history.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:25 am
That Trufant kid looks good, a lil cocky but looks good ,
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:25 am
Gdog Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:19 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:01 am
say no to offense in Draft , do you guys watch games?
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Yes. You obviously play Madden on Sundays instead.
Eight of the top 11 teams in the NFL made the playoffs this season.
Read that again.. ALL EIGHT of the playoff teams were in the top 11 in offense.
And people like you think the way to the playoffs is defense???
There have been years where two of the bottom 4 teams in defense still made the playoffs.
And you STILL think the way the playoffs is defense?
Indy and Wash picked just four players on defense BETWEEN them, and quickly became playoff participants…. and you STILL think the quick fix to the playoffs is defense.
Nope.. sorry. You fix the offense first… become a playoff team. THEN fix the defense. There’s already a blueprint in place. Reggie needs to follow this blueprint. I think he will.
If he uses this draft for mostly defense he doesn’t have a clue how to run a modern franchise. We should then just trade every single player under contract and be 0-16.
Then fire Reggie and draft every single player on offense the following year, starting with QB.
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I understand what you’re saying but the teams who playing right now, also have top D’s , if Ravens had only average D Pats would have put up 50 on them, Pats D s8cked, so they weren’t able to stop Flacco and the Company, i understand drafting O n all that, but how far did the O took PM? only 1 superbowl in 14-15 years, where as Tom Brady had respectable Ds when they won those superbowls, they simply faced a better Ds when they lost to Giants
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:27 am
1263.R8drinOK Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:14 am
alex7 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 9:02 am
I just try to be honest. Things haven’t been good for a decade, and I’m usually one of the few in here not drinking the kool-aid.
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I think Raider fans are at a crossroads. In the past we have never heard Al say ‘we can’t do it’ in relation to getting a coach or player. Al always sold people on becoming a part of ‘the greatness of the Raiders’. So we don’t know how to handle it. Our identity is in question as an organization right now. This is why most want Gruden to ‘come home’. He is the only remaining link to when the Raiders were relevant. The rumors that the feeling is mutual only intensifies the frustration with our current state.
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Well said.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:27 am
How many trophies has NE accumulated since they started accumulating picks outside of the top 15?
None. Zero. Zip.
They have been doing NOTHING besides trading down since they won their third ring… and have gotten nothing besides being the greatest regular season team in NFL history.
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Not that I want to be the Patriots, but right now I’d settle for their run of regular season success. Sure beats our run of failure over the past decade. I wouldn’t mind pissing and moaning over a lost AFC Championship game here and there. Anything beats being laballed a doormat.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:28 am
It’s okay to draft O, when you have atleast average/above average Ds, don’t compare our Ds with Washingtons and INdy, our D is horrendous, if i called them below average, i would be being little nice to them, what good would O do, if the other team also just went all the way and scored at will
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Fisher and Quesenberry look good on the Oline
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Right now, I don’t think we have one ‘impact’ guy on defense. The good defenses have 3 or more ‘impact’ guys. Look at Denver with Miller, Dumerville, Champ. We are at square one. We need to rebuild the defense with blue chip talent or we got no hope of keeping games close. I realize top offenses win championships but even they need a decent defense as a prerequisite.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:32 am
Wow shooting at Lone Star College in Texas……your guns please? yes your guns…give em up!
They coming for your ammo people! This aint no joke
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
just read olson interview…guy doesnt seem to have his heart in it…asked what attractedhim to the job…answered its one of 32 jobs in the world…i get another chance at it. asked about the talent…never mentioned one receiver…asked about the impression of the raiders…speed, size and talent…think they still have some of those things…
thanks reggie for getting rid of some of those things.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
Above average O, Good-gREAT D, Good-great O and above average D, both can take you to the playoffs, right now i would say our O is average and our D is invisible –
Drafting a rt, getting a Wr, might put us in good range, but if your D is invisible your team isn’t going anywhere either, so we need to get decent DE or 2 a decent MLB a D FS, to atleast make it average/above average
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
Regie should trade down, then collect an array of d linemen and o linemen. End of story.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
I understand what you’re saying but the teams who playing right now, also have top D’s , if Ravens had only average D Pats would have put up 50 on them,
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The Ravens were HORRIBLE on defense early this season. They got some key players back and then started COACHING things up to SB quality.
Defense is having a few impact players and COACHING.
We saw this at the end of the year, our crap players were getting coached up finally.. and looked fine. I was going “Where was THIS all season.”
Look at how SF drafted… you would guess it was all defense right? Nope.. their first two picks 4 of the last 6 years was OFFENSE. Then they picked a player on defense in the third round. They followed the blueprint.
Draft offense the first two rounds and then plug in some players on defense in the third round.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:35 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
just read olson interview…guy doesnt seem to have his heart in it…asked what attractedhim to the job…answered its one of 32 jobs in the world…i get another chance at it. asked about the talent…never mentioned one receiver…asked about the impression of the raiders…speed, size and talent…think they still have some of those things…
thanks reggie for getting rid of some of those things.
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SO what do you want him to say? He’s got the greatest job ever ? we don’t have any pass catcher, our Oline s8cks
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am
story is old. We visited it several years ago on this blog. Had to dig to find it then, it’ll be much easier to google now. And other Raiders have verified that the game plan was changed. Sabotage, who knows? Brown said, “That can be my opinion, but I can’t say for a fact that that’s what his plan was, to sabotage the Super Bowl”.
Al Davis was accessible to players and was undoubtedly aware of the change. So, either he wasn’t a meddler (on offense, anyway) and said, “You’re the coach. It’s your call” or he actually instigated the change. I don’t think he meddled. He probably thought Callahan made a bad decision, Barrett Robbins went AWOL, and it was one of those games that gets away from you and snowballs out of control. He did keep him as head coach the following year. Our offense had flourished with Callahan as OC.
We did come out passing, and being down 17 pts. at halftime stuck with it. I mean, really stuck with it. See link. Hindsight’s wonderful, but I do remember, even in the second half, yelling “Run the damn ball”. In a bar on Isla Mujares off the Yucatan Penninsula as the lone Raider fan.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301260rai.htm
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Timmy is the best ever…..but timmy…bruh you leaving out vital info not giving entire story. Foul play was already in the works and anyone with a brain doesnt believe the official story
Yes we know powers that be went above and beyond to screw Al
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am
Al Davis had a knack in drafting O and D linemen. Lasts years draft Reggie didnt produce 1 solid pick at those positions.
Thats a problem.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:37 am
I like DE D Jones (UCLA), OLB Jamie Collins (S. Miss) and CB J Poyer (Oregon st).
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:37 am
This draft may not be deep but it has everything we need in abundance. It’s a matter of getting players in and coaching them up so the can produce.
I think both Criner and Streater will be longterm answers at the WR position along with Ford, Moore and DHB while they are very young they are extremely talented. I was a huge Criner fan until I saw his 40 time. You could’ve switched positions and drafted Streater and gotten Crinder as an UDFA and looked just as smart.
Okafor isn’t getting the run the others are but IMO he is exactly what we need on 3rd and long.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:37 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
just read olson interview…guy doesnt seem to have his heart in it…asked what attractedhim to the job…answered its one of 32 jobs in the world…i get another chance at it. asked about the talent…never mentioned one receiver…asked about the impression of the raiders…speed, size and talent…think they still have some of those things…
thanks reggie for getting rid of some of those things.
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“If your heart isnt in it…why wouldnt ya tell me soooooooooo?”
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:39 am
DJones needs to add some technigue to his rush he tries to overpower everybody and you cannot win like that. He needs to learn to use his hands much better.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:39 am
That Jones kid from UCLA looks good.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:39 am
Gdog Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:34 am
I understand what you’re saying but the teams who playing right now, also have top D’s , if Ravens had only average D Pats would have put up 50 on them,
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The Ravens were HORRIBLE on defense early this season. They got some key players back and then started COACHING things up to SB quality.
Defense is having a few impact players and COACHING.
We saw this at the end of the year, our crap players were getting coached up finally.. and looked fine. I was going “Where was THIS all season.”
Look at how SF drafted… you would guess it was all defense right? Nope.. their first two picks 4 of the last 6 years was OFFENSE. Then they picked a player on defense in the third round. They followed the blueprint.
Draft offense the first two rounds and then plug in some players on defense in the third round.
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They have impact players, Willis is a top MLB in the league, Aaron Smith is one of the best 3-4 End in the biz, Aldon smith is top 3 sack getter, Linebacker crew is the best in the league, Raverns have Ed Reed, Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, all those guys were top picks
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:40 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:33 am
Above average O, Good-gREAT D, Good-great O and above average D, both can take you to the playoffs, right now i would say our O is average and our D is invisible –
Drafting a rt, getting a Wr, might put us in good range, but if your D is invisible your team isn’t going anywhere either, so we need to get decent DE or 2 a decent MLB a D FS, to atleast make it average/above average
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Defense can be improved with COACHING. We saw that ourselves this past year. It took a long time.. but the defense looked fine by week 12. It saved DA and Tarvers job!
Offense needs PLAYERS. Especially on the line. Draft offense first two picks, then start filling in with COACH-ABLE defensive players. Underachieving college players that can be coached up. Just MHO, and I think this is how the modern NFL is drafting.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:41 am
mcfadden20. Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:21 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:18 am
I wonder how much of that Cutler deal actually has led to the Bronco resurgence (outside of Manning of course)?
Broncos were able to use those extra 1st round picks to get Robert Ayres and Demaryous Thomas…also Knowshon Moreno and Tebow.
Not a bad deal for Denver even if u exclude Tebow.
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getting Von Miller helped , after they s9cked with Josh Mcdan
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Right. I was talking specifically about what Denver got as a result of the Cutler trade. Those 1st’s we’re in 2009, 2010.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:42 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:36 am
story is old. We visited it several years ago on this blog. Had to dig to find it then, it’ll be much easier to google now. And other Raiders have verified that the game plan was changed. Sabotage, who knows? Brown said, “That can be my opinion, but I can’t say for a fact that that’s what his plan was, to sabotage the Super Bowl”.
Al Davis was accessible to players and was undoubtedly aware of the change. So, either he wasn’t a meddler (on offense, anyway) and said, “You’re the coach. It’s your call” or he actually instigated the change. I don’t think he meddled. He probably thought Callahan made a bad decision, Barrett Robbins went AWOL, and it was one of those games that gets away from you and snowballs out of control. He did keep him as head coach the following year. Our offense had flourished with Callahan as OC.
We did come out passing, and being down 17 pts. at halftime stuck with it. I mean, really stuck with it. See link. Hindsight’s wonderful, but I do remember, even in the second half, yelling “Run the damn ball”. In a bar on Isla Mujares off the Yucatan Penninsula as the lone Raider fan.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200301260rai.htm
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Timmy is the best ever…..but timmy…bruh you leaving out vital info not giving entire story. Foul play was already in the works and anyone with a brain doesnt believe the official story
Yes we know powers that be went above and beyond to screw Al
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dang change the gameplan a couple days before the game, never heard of that….
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:43 am
talks about pryor as “down the road….” i have a feeling pryor will be here long after olson…
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:43 am
Defense did tighten up in the final quarter of the season. But it was facing a bunch of also ran teams out of the playoff hunt by then. Who’s to say it wasn’t a mirage? I won’t say that it was and I won’t say it wasn’t. Just that it was too little too late and it should not have been enough to save either Tarver or DA from the firing line.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:45 am
They have impact players, Willis is a top MLB in the league, Aaron Smith is one of the best 3-4 End in the biz, Aldon smith is top 3 sack getter, Linebacker crew is the best in the league, Raverns have Ed Reed, Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, all those guys were top picks
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You miss the point. WIllis was about the only defensive player SF drafted the last six years in the top two rounds.
Balt didn’t start winning until they drafted Flacco and Rice with their first two picks in 2008.. then they added Oher the next year.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:50 am
guest123 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:43 am
Defense did tighten up in the final quarter of the season. But it was facing a bunch of also ran teams out of the playoff hunt by then. Who’s to say it wasn’t a mirage?
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Possible, but KC was in the top 2? in rushing coming in and we shut them down COLD.
And the way the team was staying in gaps and blowing up the line was evident in all four of our last games.
Defense can be coached up. And a great offense can make it even better. I simply think we are closer to a GREAT offense next year than a good defense.
A great offense makes the playoffs almost every year.
A good defense and a mediocre offense is usually 8-8, 7-9 EVERY year.
I want playoffs next year!!
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:51 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:39 am
DJones needs to add some technigue to his rush he tries to overpower everybody and you cannot win like that. He needs to learn to use his hands much better.
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According to M Mayock, he has been talking martial arts classes to improve his hand work.
Looks good in the SR bowl.
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:52 am
What’s up. O?
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:52 am
Oh look.. Mistics sock-puppets are trying to change the subject to Pryor again! I think I will check back later because it almost always works… see ya all later…
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:54 am
I wrote an extensive post earlier that didn’t post because my computer locked up.It was concerning Tim Brown and what I know about the alleged sabotage of Callahan. Some think it’s all a hoax, I’m here to tell ya’ Tim Brown is telling the truth. Now as far as Grudens connection we’ve always suspected it.
I’ll try I had personal experiences with BRobb before Gruden left concerning his alcohol issues and Gruden had BRobb under heavy scrutiny and would penalize him if he was caught drinking. Gruden knew of his bi-polar issues as well.
When BRob went AWOL a lot of people including myself thought Gruden somehow was connected. Maybe not directly but because of how hard he had been on BRobb concerning that a lot of people thought he was connected. Why Cally did what he did was a mystery at the time. Because 2 years earlier we had dominated the Bucs by running straight at Sapp with BRobb and we dominated Sapp to the tune of a 45-0 score. We ran all day straight at him and he couldn’t stop us because of BRobb. And it was set we were going to do the same thing and all of a sudden the gameplan changed late in the week when we would not have time to be nearly as effective knowing if we stuck with the gameplan to throw their DE’s would be most effective. The bets chance to win was to run at Sapp.
Someone with enough enfluence got to Callahan and he changed the gameplan. Everyone will point to Al Davis because their ignorant to what he does. Mr Davis’ enfluence was on defense NOT offense he never bothered much with the offense and if he did at all it was just matchup stuff not gameplan related. What they did that Friday was unconcionable. He in their right mind changes a SB gameplan on the Friday of the game. We knew how to beat the Bucs and we had what we needed to beat them with.
Call it whatever you want conspiracy sabotage whatever but the truth is it happened. As a result we had to throw and it was disasterous…………period
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:55 am
Hwnrdr,
Watching the SR bowl, so I can post my popular mock drafts. lol
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:59 am
YO BRAHS, BAD NEWS 4 BEEECH DIGGITY … LIKE, HELLA DANG
Day 4 here at the Catamaran, me and the Rasta Ganja Krew are partying serious by the pool (Mai Tais flowin whut whut) when all of a sudden my girlfriend Cinnamon shows us in her VW
Total buzz killer, if you know what I am talking about
So we go rent a paddle boat and she gives me a fairly dope hand jiggity in the middle of Mission Bay
Then, on our way to Tony Roma’s, we get in a huge fight and totally break up. To make matters worse, the ho pick pockets my bag of chronic
Gonna order some Papa Johns to the suite and take a nice long bubble bath in my undies
Talk to you Nerds after I calm down and spank The Lawg a few times, whizzle
GUESS THATS WHY THEY CALL IT THE BLUES
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 10:41 am
Dr Robert, paging Dr Robert,
You’ve got a call on line 1329.
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diagnosis: insanity
treatment: to be ignored
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:00 pm
tumbleweeds
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Gdog Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:45 am
They have impact players, Willis is a top MLB in the league, Aaron Smith is one of the best 3-4 End in the biz, Aldon smith is top 3 sack getter, Linebacker crew is the best in the league, Raverns have Ed Reed, Lewis, Ngata, Suggs, all those guys were top picks
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You miss the point. WIllis was about the only defensive player SF drafted the last six years in the top two rounds.
Balt didn’t start winning until they drafted Flacco and Rice with their first two picks in 2008.. then they added Oher the next year.
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ONly?? Justin Smith was #4 overall pick signed big contracts with whiners ALdon Smith was #7th overall in 2011, Donte Whiter was #8 overall pick signed by Whiners , Carlos Rogers was #9 the overall pick, Willis was a #11 overall pick,Darcel Mcbath 2nd rd Bowman was in 3rd rd, ray Mcdonald 3rd rd, Isaac Sopoaga 4th rd Chris culliver starting CB 3rd round
Seems like lot of high picks, and has less to do with the coaching
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:04 pm
new post
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:06 pm
The difference between the two C’s on that team Adam Treu and BRobb was dramatic. BRobb was IMO the best C in the league and he keyed the run game when Gruden was here. We ran a lot under Gruden but under Trestman we threw as I told you guys Trestman is a genius when it comes to offensive football and he often times overloads his players with formations and playload.
However Gruden knew Gannon’s habits as we all know. But if we ran it would limit Grudens effectiveness to assist the DC in his gamplan against us. Gruden knew to beat us he had to force us to be one dimentional well he didn’t have to force us if BRobb were not in teh picture because that would be the best way to attack Treu just was NOT very good in the run game and Gruden knew that he helped draft Treu as well as Robbins. They way things played out it was exactly what Gruden needed to win that game.
Now if he had anything to do with it directly or indirectly we don’t know but the evidence is there for anyone’s speculation.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:23 am
mcfadden20. Says:
We have to block better
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Tom Cable; “ZBS, PBS, it’s football. Block your man”.
Hue Jackson; “If you don’t have the ball, you better be looking for someone to block”.
Like ‘em or not, both good quotes. Actually doing it would be nice, too.
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Great quotes- we need to get back to aggressive, nasty O-line play. Our guys seemed timid last season.
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 11:55 am
Hwnrdr,
Watching the SR bowl, so I can post my popular mock drafts. lol
Look forward to it my friend!