Raiders fill final coaching vacancy
By Steve Corkran
Friday, January 25th, 2013 at 2:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen rounded out his coaching staff by hiring Bob Sanders as his linebackers coach Friday.
Sanders spent the past four seasons with the Buffalo Bills, where he coached the defensive line one season and linebackers the final three.
Overall, Sanders has 33 years’ coaching experience in college and the NFL. He also coached for the Green Bay Packers and Miami Dolphins, including a three-year stint as the Packers defensive coordinator from 2006-08.
Allen fired four coaches the day after the regular season ended – offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, offensive line coach Frank Pollack, special teams coordinator Steve Hoffman and linebackers coach Johnny Holland.
Earlier this month, Allen hired Greg Olson to replace Knapp, Bobby April to take over for Hoffman and Tony Sparano as his new offensive line coach.
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January 25th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Better late than never
January 25th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Honestly to me Chance Warmack is the best player in the draft but he’s a guard so he get’s no love.
Ogletree is the best MLB prospect in the draft before and after the Teo Scandal.
I rewatched some A&M games and Central Michigan games this week and Fischer we’ll be a better prospect for a Power scheme and Joeckel is suited more for the ZBS.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Trade Back:
1- Barret Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE, UCLA]
7- Brandon Harvey [ILB, Delaware]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Is he brought in to revive Slo-Mania???
January 25th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
So what’s the over/under on how many trades Reggie makes in and for the upcoming draft
January 25th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
1.5
January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
980.Scourge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
I guess Cork is late posting the Sanders hire.
Yo, Beeech!!!!!
Evening, Doc, DJJ, Big B, all
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What up scourge.
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DJ – thoughts on giving The S-Man an opportunity to audition for the PMPP?
January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(Repost, sorry)
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Sup you guys.
If for whatever reason, someone was willing to give us a second rounder for Palmer, would you be for it?
Personally, I want Carson to work out but that’s almost entirely because I’m a bias SC fan. I don’t think keeping Carson means playoffs, so i see this season as mostly another wash and worth rebuilding the defense with another pick and just letting the season play out with Pryor. I’m not expecting much from Pryor but with him or Palmer in there, no playoffs is no playoffs so I don’t care how it happens. If Pryor doesn’t look great then we’ll know we need to do what we have to do to get a young franchise QB.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
That’s it? I’ll take the over. Easy money.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
hey i’m in the teens for the first time
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Carson is a solid mentor for Pryor. an expensive assist coach at worst.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
In his 3 years, anyone know if the Bills LB’s improved?
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
D.A.V as much as I agree with Okafor in the 2nd he’ll be taken in he 1st. His stock is rising fast after an impressive Senior Bowl.
Barret Jones is dealing with a nasty Lisfranc injury and is slipping fast because a foot injury to a linemen is very Iffy especially a Center/Guard.
I see Barret being taken in the 2nd
January 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
That’s it? I’ll take the over. Easy money.
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The rub is if we trade down from #3.
If we don’t……two trades the rest of the draft might not be as easy as it sounds.
I personally think we trade down from #3 to nothing big, maybe #5 or #6, grab a 3rd or 4th rounder, and then try to trade into the back end of the 2nd round.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
1008.ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
how the hell would we have the money to sign revis after this year anyway dude will want a boat load of cash and i don’t blame him
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And even if we do sign him, he’ll hold out and want another boat load of cash the following year
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Draft another player from Alabama and another center named Barret!!!
It will be like crossing the streams with the Ghostbusters.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
4.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Is he brought in to revive Slo-Mania???
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lol, keep the dream alive!
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
D.A.V as much as I agree with Okafor in the 2nd he’ll be taken in he 1st. His stock is rising fast after an impressive Senior Bowl.
Barret Jones is dealing with a nasty Lisfranc injury and is slipping fast because a foot injury to a linemen is very Iffy especially a Center/Guard.
I see Barret being taken in the 2nd
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Agreed.
Although Barrett played the season with it, so I dont see it knocking him out of the first.
Okafor is playing hinself into the 1st for sure.
Just a mock I had done a couple weeks ago.
January 25th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
16.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Draft another player from Alabama and another center named Barret!!!
It will be like crossing the streams with the Ghostbusters.
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Two LOL in a row! Vegas is on a roll!
January 25th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
16.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Draft another player from Alabama and another center named Barret!!!
It will be like crossing the streams with the Ghostbusters.
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Crossing the streams worked in Ghostbusters
January 25th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
D.A.V
Heres how I’d like the 1st 3 rounds to go.
I’d like to see us trade back. It would be awesome to trade back to 10-15 and gain a 2nd and additional later round pick.
Chance Warmack would be a great pick up. I also wouldnt mind seeing Ogletree if we traded down in to the later round. The thing about this draft is it is really deep with DT’s.
We have so many glaring need that help at any position will benefit us.
Id love to see us trade down and go like this
1)Hankins
2)Poyer
3)Warford
January 25th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
I don’t think Warmack falls out of the top 8.
Won’t be top 5, but 6,7 or 8 is just right.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
That’s it? I’ll take the over. Easy money.
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The rub is if we trade down from #3.
If we don’t……two trades the rest of the draft might not be as easy as it sounds.
I personally think we trade down from #3 to nothing big, maybe #5 or #6, grab a 3rd or 4th rounder, and then try to trade into the back end of the 2nd round.
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Works for me.
To stand pat at #3, Reggie has to be convinced that He has an impact player.
I hope He has trade down options come draft day.
If He does, I think He will.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Allen fired four coaches the day after the regular season ended – offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, offensive line coach Frank Pollack, special teams coordinator Steve Hoffman and linebackers coach Johnny Holland.
Earlier this month, Allen hired Greg Olson to replace Knapp, Bobby April to take over for Hoffman and Tony Sparano as his new offensive line coach.
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Olson isn’t much of an upgrade, but a little bit.
April is a big upgrade IMO
Sparano should be an upgrade as o-line coach, plus he might be able to give DA some balz.
Sanders, I have no idea.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
well mumbles better have something up his sleeve he hasn’t done jack schit sense he has arrived except sign practice squad played from GB. It would be awesome if we can pull off this revis trade and steal some of the whiners thunder.This franchise and fanbase really needs a shot of life hopefully this can be it. Just give us something to look forward to next year damn.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(Repost, sorry)
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Sup you guys.
If for whatever reason, someone was willing to give us a second rounder for Palmer, would you be for it?
Personally, I want Carson to work out but that’s almost entirely because I’m a bias SC fan. I don’t think keeping Carson means playoffs, so i see this season as mostly another wash and worth rebuilding the defense with another pick and just letting the season play out with Pryor. I’m not expecting much from Pryor but with him or Palmer in there, no playoffs is no playoffs so I don’t care how it happens. If Pryor doesn’t look great then we’ll know we need to do what we have to do to get a young franchise QB.
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Yeah, it’s not going to happen with Palmer at QB. Don’t know about TP but that’s what will make next season interesting. TP is a “unknown” but looks like he has some potential. Would rather gamble a year with TP at QB than wasting another year with Palmer.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
The Lakers season starts tonight!…..Again!….for the 10th time!!!!!
Gooooooo Lakers!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Most Mocks I’ve read granted they are mocks have Warmack going between 12-19
January 25th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Don’t know if this subject has been brought up already, please excuse me if it has. Don’t feel like scrolling through the usual, daily BS to find out…
Think there will be any problems, with Sprano, Sanders and April being old salty coachs, working UNDER Allen, Tarver, and Greg (don’t call me Jimmy) Olson?…….
January 25th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Most Mocks I’ve read granted they are mocks have Warmack going between 12-19
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Not happening
January 25th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
29. It should only help i would think.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Hey, JFB!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
I just dont see any1 drafting a Guard that High…. No1 has drafted a guard in the top12 picks in the past 8 years.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Hey, JFB!
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Cheers from the Land of Enchantment
January 25th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Don’t know if this subject has been brought up already, please excuse me if it has. Don’t feel like scrolling through the usual, daily BS to find out…
Think there will be any problems, with Sprano,and Sanders being old salty coachs, working UNDER Allen, Tarver, and whatshisname the OC?….
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I gotta figure that was a main consideration in the hiring process.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
The last two OG’s I remember being drafted real high were Iupati and Hutchinson, and when Iupati retires they might have 15 Pro Bowls between the two.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
DJ – thoughts on giving The S-Man an opportunity to audition for the PMPP?
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Beeech, if you’re referring to yours truly, I am deeply honored. But I’m not good at all w/ rhymes!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
In his 3 years, anyone know if the Bills LB’s improved?
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The Bills defensive staff is run by Dave Wannstadt. Sanders coached the LB’s and Catavolos the DB’s. Add Bruce DeHaven on special teams and you have some pretty solid names there. Sanders took Nick Barnett from GB with Kirk Morrison and Kelvin Sheppard and made them a respectable unit. Remember that Sanders is adept at the 3/4.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
DREAM SCENARIO:
Trade back with the Rams.
#3 for #16, #22 & 2014 2nd.
1- Jesse Williams [NT, Bama]
1- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Chase Thomas [OLB, Stanford]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio St]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Watcha all drinkin’ tonight?!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Pollard fined for roughness on Welker. I’m guessing he’ll just leave his checkbook open if it results in yellow-stained niner pants and a Super Bowl ring.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
i wish there was a way to fast forward 9 days, who the heck wants to see a boring ass superbowl?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Iupati was drafted with the 17th Pick and was considered about the same type of player…Only thing I could see is that Warmack being from Alabama and that aslo helping his draft stock but I still dont see him in the top 10.
Dont get me wrong Warmack is my BPA, I also dont see a team who needs a guard in those picks… SD mite take him but they need a Tackle more than anything.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
D.A.V as much as I agree with Okafor in the 2nd he’ll be taken in he 1st. His stock is rising fast after an impressive Senior Bowl.
Barret Jones is dealing with a nasty Lisfranc injury and is slipping fast because a foot injury to a linemen is very Iffy especially a Center/Guard.
I see Barret being taken in the 2nd
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Agreed.
Although Barrett played the season with it, so I dont see it knocking him out of the first.
Okafor is playing hinself into the 1st for sure.
Just a mock I had done a couple weeks ago.
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Barret Jones is probably the best Oline prospect in this draft. Warmack will probably go higher, but Jones is a better prospect.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Put your Jammies
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
palmer is a good QB he just got stuck with TITS and KRAPP u can’t be successfull with absolutely no running game and having to throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game our lack of a ground Game exposed our WR corp for what it really is average but if u get that ground game going like the past two years with hue and company and throw the ball around 20 something times palmer will flourish can u imagine if pryor had to huck it 40 or 50 times a game YUCK no thanks
January 25th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Think we can trade our 3rd round and Tommy Kelly or Jacoby Ford to the Pats for their late 1st?
It is only moving down like 35 spots for them.
Maybe we can add a 6th or 7th if need be.
I just read we have three 7ths, lol. Just ship them off for deal sealers.
We can do without 3 Nate Stupar, Jeremy Ware or Jonathan Holland’s.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Ok i have given up my hope on D Moore, if it helps us to get 1-2 extra players by trading back then i’m all for it, Moore will be gone in top 5
January 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
With the compensatory picks we are projected to be getting, this could be a very good draft.
If we’re able to trade Palmer, DHB or Kelly for any picks inside the first 5 rounds.. Put a cherry on it.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Barret Jones or Star @ 3.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
DREAM SCENARIO:
Trade back with the Rams.
#3 for #16, #22 & 2014 2nd.
1- Jesse Williams [NT, Bama]
1- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Chase Thomas [OLB, Stanford]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Taylor Reed [ILB, SMU]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio St]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
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I’d say that makes us a tough 8-8 team that teams won’t want to face late in the season.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Beeech, gimmee a coupla days and I’ll see what kinda lines I can put together for your consideration!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
palmer is a good QB he just got stuck with TITS and KRAPP u can’t be successfull with absolutely no running game and having to throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game our lack of a ground Game exposed our WR corp for what it really is average but if u get that ground game going like the past two years with hue and company and throw the ball around 20 something times palmer will flourish can u imagine if pryor had to huck it 40 or 50 times a game YUCK no thanks
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that’s what i was saying all year, give him better WRs, better line protection, get the run game going, better coordination, and we should be fine with Palmer
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
WARMACK will go in the top ten he’s a beast jones is also a baller that bama oline was unreal just a bunch of maulers they absolutely dominated ball games
January 25th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
mcfadden ya i don’t get it some people in here just dont seem to get football ya know
January 25th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I like any draft that has us taking more Defensive players, pass on C, RG, and RT, sign a competetant WR, sign some scrub RT and let Sparano work out with those guys
January 25th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
We will draft a some goons on o-line we have 3 questionable spots on the line that are in need of them…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Im totally fine with Palmer, absolutely NOT at his current price though.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
everyone should kno throwing the ball 40 or 50 times a game is a recipe for disaster
January 25th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Warriors only 3 games back in the loss column for first place.
Lee needs to push around Boozer today, that hairy Alaskan has always gave us fits.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
palmer is a good QB he just got stuck with TITS and KRAPP u can’t be successfull with absolutely no running game and having to throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game our lack of a ground Game exposed our WR corp for what it really is average but if u get that ground game going like the past two years with hue and company and throw the ball around 20 something times palmer will flourish can u imagine if pryor had to huck it 40 or 50 times a game YUCK no thanks
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that’s what i was saying all year, give him better WRs, better line protection, get the run game going, better coordination, and we should be fine with Palmer
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So make the entire offense better and Palmer will be better? Can’t argue much with that logic. When can this be done by, while also fixing the defense?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
dennisallensvisor i agree he needs to reconstruct im sure he will he’s making way to much bread
January 25th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
With the right draft & free agents, there is no reason we cant have a Niner like turn around.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
If Palmer wont restructure they will make him walk the plank….
January 25th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Very interesting hearing Reggie say, “He wants to go back to Raider Physical Tough Football”
Also interesting the Raiders hiring all these very experienced coaches.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
If Palmer wont restructure they will make him walk the plank….
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Doubt it.
Makes no sense to pay a guy to not be on your team.
We’re paying him regardless of whether he’s in a Raider jersey or on a couch..
January 25th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
trade anybody not nailed down
January 25th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
KK… interesting = smart, then yea.. LOL.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
palmer is a good QB he just got stuck with TITS and KRAPP u can’t be successfull with absolutely no running game and having to throw the ball 40 or 50 times a game our lack of a ground Game exposed our WR corp for what it really is average but if u get that ground game going like the past two years with hue and company and throw the ball around 20 something times palmer will flourish can u imagine if pryor had to huck it 40 or 50 times a game YUCK no thanks
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that’s what i was saying all year, give him better WRs, better line protection, get the run game going, better coordination, and we should be fine with Palmer
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So make the entire offense better and Palmer will be better? Can’t argue much with that logic. When can this be done by, while also fixing the defense?
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He is better than Jason campbell, even he was .500 with beast running game, you don’t think palmer will be ask good or better with same running game? maybe a little better receiving corp, just slightly better, and rest improve the D, good D is Os best friend, a good O is Ds best friend
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen rounded out his coaching staff by hiring Bob Sanders as his linebackers coach Friday.
Sanders spent the past four seasons with the Buffalo Bills, where he coached the defensive line one season and linebackers the final three.
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this hire was necessary if we’re gonna bring back Kirk Morrison
Capt Kirk, baby!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
I’ll have the ULTIMATE off-season list later today hopefully.
Draft, Free Agent targets..
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
WARMACK will go in the top ten he’s a beast jones is also a baller that bama oline was unreal just a bunch of maulers they absolutely dominated ball games
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Jones played guard, won a national championship and then played left tackle because he was their best prospect at that position. In the national Championship game against LSU I think he went at times against Barkevious Mingo. Then this last year, he moved to center and excelled there winning ANOTHER national championship. That is really hard to do.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Which free agent WR can really make an impact on this team???
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Anyone think Justin Houston of UT falls to the early 4th maybe?
We STILL, after all these fkn draft picks, a stud true #1 WR.
He has the tools more so of almost all the WR in this draft.
Has the dropsies and could be DHB 2.0, but at least a 4th round pick is a decent flyer.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
KK… interesting = smart, then yea.. LOL.
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Yep, we have all spring to live in optimistic paradise.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Which free agent WR can really make an impact on this team???
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Most of the love has gone to Bowe.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
WARMACK will go in the top ten he’s a beast jones is also a baller that bama oline was unreal just a bunch of maulers they absolutely dominated ball games
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Jones played guard, won a national championship and then played left tackle because he was their best prospect at that position. In the national Championship game against LSU I think he went at times against Barkevious Mingo. Then this last year, he moved to center and excelled there winning ANOTHER national championship. That is really hard to do.
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Sound like the type of player Bellichick will snag up in the draft…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Which free agent WR can really make an impact on this team???
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Jordan Shipley.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dont even type about Jennings or Bowe.
Not happening.
They want to get PAID.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Yo, my freckles will draft a defensive end with the #3 pick.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Yep, we have all spring to live in optimistic paradise.
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Only way to go.
Hope does spring eternal.
Sip that stuff daily.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
With his salary, I wouldn’t be pissed if we traded Palmer for a third.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
http://nfltraderumors.co/top-50-2013-nfl-free-agents/
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Top 50 free agents, interesting nobody mentioned bringing in former Bills top pick FS Jairus Byrd
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(Repost, sorry)
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Sup you guys.
If for whatever reason, someone was willing to give us a second rounder for Palmer, would you be for it?
Personally, I want Carson to work out but that’s almost entirely because I’m a bias SC fan. I don’t think keeping Carson means playoffs, so i see this season as mostly another wash and worth rebuilding the defense with another pick and just letting the season play out with Pryor. I’m not expecting much from Pryor but with him or Palmer in there, no playoffs is no playoffs so I don’t care how it happens. If Pryor doesn’t look great then we’ll know we need to do what we have to do to get a young franchise QB.
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The answer is resoundingly no. First off, you will not find an equivalent level of talent at the position for the 2nd or less.
Of course that point is debatable, but what is not is the impact of the cap acceleration in a trade of Palmer, which would be just shy of $7.8M off the cap space. So now you have to eat that AND find an adequate replacement that will cost you at least $4M more against the cap, so now you’re sinking maybe $11-12M in cap space into the position for what quite possibly would be a downgrade.
And then there’s the other side of the coin, where you’d have to ask who would make this deal considering that you are picking up Palmer, a very good QB, and his contract, $24M in salary over the next two years, which is not such a great deal.
As much as I like Palmer, given all the realistic options that the team has, I don’t like him at that price tag. I think he pretty much has to restructure at this point. He either does it as a Raider, which means deferring more short term salary into long term bonus and extending years, or he agrees to restructure as part of a trade, which makes him a feasible deal for the other team.
If he refuses to restructure, then the team has one best last resort approach: wait until after June 1st to cut him. Doing so means that they can amortize his remaining bonus across both of 2013 and 2014, hitting the cap at about $3.9M per year. That is a cheap enough hit to do and to also pull in another $5M or so in cap hit with a proven NFL starter (assuming one can be found) while keeping the overall QB cap space below $10M.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Gotta head out, errands to run, etc.
Good night, all!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Think we can trade our 3rd round and Tommy Kelly or Jacoby Ford to the Pats for their late 1st?
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The talent level REALLY drops off after the lst round and particularly the lst 15-20 selections. To me at least it might make sense for the Rams to move up and grab a marquee prospect and trade one or both of their lst rounders.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Let’s be honest here, we will not give any guy more than 6-8 M a year, and we will only dole out about 20-25 M in FA, so plan your targets accordingly
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
rediaR Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
With his salary, I wouldn’t be pissed if we traded Palmer for a third.
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With his salary, I would be surprised if we got ANYTHING for him.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Im totally fine with Palmer, absolutely NOT at his current price though.
Makes no sense to pay a guy to not be on your team.
We’re paying him regardless of whether he’s in a Raider jersey or on a couch..
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@DAV
so whats the solution, then?
you can’t FORCE a guy to restructure, especially when he just did it last year. He’s 33 years old, got plenty of money in the bank and he’s already retired once. Basically, Carson has Mark & Reggie by the balls … which would explain why Dennis Allen is always sweet talking him, regardless of the win/loss column
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
I dont think shipleys a #1 wr.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
http://nfltraderumors.co/top-50-2013-nfl-free-agents/
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Top 50 free agents, interesting nobody mentioned bringing in former Bills top pick FS Jairus Byrd
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Cause it has no chance of happening.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
wow really i would love Jairus Byrd that would be a awesome signing he’s a ball hawk something we have desperately needed for years the ability to get the ball back to our offense when needed most
January 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
later Scourge…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Eric Reid was another guy I had pegged early for us, but don’t think the economics of the draft align for us.
Same with my top skill player in the draft, Jonathan Franklin.
Bummer. If we had a 2nd we would have something to work with.
Instead we have a golden haired hero.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
WARMACK will go in the top ten he’s a beast jones is also a baller that bama oline was unreal just a bunch of maulers they absolutely dominated ball games
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Jones played guard, won a national championship and then played left tackle because he was their best prospect at that position. In the national Championship game against LSU I think he went at times against Barkevious Mingo. Then this last year, he moved to center and excelled there winning ANOTHER national championship. That is really hard to do.
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Sound like the type of player Bellichick will snag up in the draft…
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And I can keep going on Jones. I haven’t even mentioned the good stuff yet.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Marks hair Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
I dont think shipleys a #1 wr.
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Nope.
Slot guy. History with Palmer. Great hands.
We need that as much if not more than a #1.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dont even type about Jennings or Bowe.
Not happening.
They want to get PAID.
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I hear you. Just passing along the names that are most discussed.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Palmer, a very good QB,
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ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Jordan Shipley the guy was picked up by the Bucs and then cut because of fumbling issues and then stayed on the waiver Wire until Jacksonville picked him up. I remember before the season started we had the chance between to recievers cut by the Buc’s and Jordan Shipley was not the 1 we picked up…. Shipley would not be an Improvement over any of our wideouts
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
(Repost, sorry)
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Sup you guys.
If for whatever reason, someone was willing to give us a second rounder for Palmer, would you be for it?
Personally, I want Carson to work out but that’s almost entirely because I’m a bias SC fan. I don’t think keeping Carson means playoffs, so i see this season as mostly another wash and worth rebuilding the defense with another pick and just letting the season play out with Pryor. I’m not expecting much from Pryor but with him or Palmer in there, no playoffs is no playoffs so I don’t care how it happens. If Pryor doesn’t look great then we’ll know we need to do what we have to do to get a young franchise QB.
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The answer is resoundingly no. First off, you will not find an equivalent level of talent at the position for the 2nd or less.
Of course that point is debatable, but what is not is the impact of the cap acceleration in a trade of Palmer, which would be just shy of $7.8M off the cap space. So now you have to eat that AND find an adequate replacement that will cost you at least $4M more against the cap, so now you’re sinking maybe $11-12M in cap space into the position for what quite possibly would be a downgrade.
And then there’s the other side of the coin, where you’d have to ask who would make this deal considering that you are picking up Palmer, a very good QB, and his contract, $24M in salary over the next two years, which is not such a great deal.
As much as I like Palmer, given all the realistic options that the team has, I don’t like him at that price tag. I think he pretty much has to restructure at this point. He either does it as a Raider, which means deferring more short term salary into long term bonus and extending years, or he agrees to restructure as part of a trade, which makes him a feasible deal for the other team.
If he refuses to restructure, then the team has one best last resort approach: wait until after June 1st to cut him. Doing so means that they can amortize his remaining bonus across both of 2013 and 2014, hitting the cap at about $3.9M per year. That is a cheap enough hit to do and to also pull in another $5M or so in cap hit with a proven NFL starter (assuming one can be found) while keeping the overall QB cap space below $10M.
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zymurge, always a voice of reasoning, them Sharks are chomping like crazy eh?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Im totally fine with Palmer, absolutely NOT at his current price though.
Makes no sense to pay a guy to not be on your team.
We’re paying him regardless of whether he’s in a Raider jersey or on a couch..
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@DAV
so whats the solution, then?
you can’t FORCE a guy to restructure, especially when he just did it last year. He’s 33 years old, got plenty of money in the bank and he’s already retired once. Basically, Carson has Mark & Reggie by the balls … which would explain why Dennis Allen is always sweet talking him, regardless of the win/loss column
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I totally agree on the sweet talk. Said it was fishy before.
You just hope he wants to be a team guy and push some of that money around to different years.
Or maybe there is some language in the contract similar to Seymour’s, where it voids somehow.
Nobody saw that coming either.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Jordan Shipley the guy was picked up by the Bucs and then cut because of fumbling issues and then stayed on the waiver Wire until Jacksonville picked him up. I remember before the season started we had the chance between to recievers cut by the Buc’s and Jordan Shipley was not the 1 we picked up…. Shipley would not be an Improvement over any of our wideouts
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Shipley has had knee problems, thats the only reason he has been cut.
He would be the best slot guy on our team day 1.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
i wish there was a way to fast forward 9 days, who the heck wants to see a boring ass superbowl?
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I don’t think it will be boring. As much as I hate to admit — but we’re all Raiders brothers here, so it’s safe — I enjoy rooting against the Whiners almost as much as I enjoy rooting for the Raiders. I am totally vested in this Super Bowl and watching the pink and yellow bubble burst in the Bay Area.
I’m also totally pulling for Ray Lewis to go out with his last game in the NFL as a Super Bowl win. Perfect cap to a slam dunk HOF career for that guy that absolutely defined NFL defense in this millenium.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
With his salary, I would be surprised if we got ANYTHING for him.
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Gotta take the “wait & see” approach. If the Cards manage to dump Kolb & the Jets manage to dump Sanchez & the Jags manage to dump Gabbert … that opens a lot of doors
you know Vick & Fitzpatrick aren’t going to be retained either. Depends on whether or not any of these new coaches are enamored with Palmer, or if they want to try a revive a deadbeat’s career like Jim Harbaugh did with Alex Smith
January 25th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Im totally fine with Palmer, absolutely NOT at his current price though.
Makes no sense to pay a guy to not be on your team.
We’re paying him regardless of whether he’s in a Raider jersey or on a couch..
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@DAV
so whats the solution, then?
you can’t FORCE a guy to restructure, especially when he just did it last year. He’s 33 years old, got plenty of money in the bank and he’s already retired once. Basically, Carson has Mark & Reggie by the balls … which would explain why Dennis Allen is always sweet talking him, regardless of the win/loss column
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I totally agree on the sweet talk. Said it was fishy before.
You just hope he wants to be a team guy and push some of that money around to different years.
Or maybe there is some language in the contract similar to Seymour’s, where it voids somehow.
Nobody saw that coming either.
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I’d rather he push all of the money to this year. Not like we aren’t screwed anyway.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
dan78 Ya your absolutely right im sure barrett jones is def on the hoodies radar plus he loves player’s from national l championship teams but don’t u think they will go defense i could even see them drafting a WR in round 1 this year
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
So a guy with a Bum Knee would be our best slot guy??? Reggie had the chance to pick him up and passed… If he was that good of a slot guy Jacksonville would keep him since he’s gonna be a cheap signing.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
He is better than Jason campbell, even he was .500 with beast running game, you don’t think palmer will be ask good or better with same running game? maybe a little better receiving corp, just slightly better, and rest improve the D, good D is Os best friend, a good O is Ds best friend
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I’m with you on that but it just seems like a tall order.
Is Steven Jackson gonna be a free agent? I’d rather trade DMac and build an offense around him.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
70.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Raiders coach Dennis Allen rounded out his coaching staff by hiring Bob Sanders as his linebackers coach Friday.
Sanders spent the past four seasons with the Buffalo Bills, where he coached the defensive line one season and linebackers the final three.
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this hire was necessary if we’re gonna bring back Kirk Morrison
Capt Kirk, baby!
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I think RM said he’s looking for tough, physical players.
Kirk Morrison? lol
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
I can see Reggie targeting Amendola or hartline can come at a decent price and are the new wav…nah wont go there…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
January 25th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
He is better than Jason campbell, even he was .500 with beast running game, you don’t think palmer will be ask good or better with same running game? maybe a little better receiving corp, just slightly better, and rest improve the D, good D is Os best friend, a good O is Ds best friend
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I’m with you on that but it just seems like a tall order.
Is Steven Jackson gonna be a free agent? I’d rather trade DMac and build an offense around him.
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Last I heard he was considering retiring.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
POST 103 ZYMURGE i couldn’t agree anymore i fcking hate the whiners i would love to see them lose and see all the said looks on whiners fan’s faces it would make my NFL year considering ours blew ass
January 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
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Yes but we will need to cut some fat to make it work….
January 25th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
GO NINERS!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
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Grimes was Franchised by ATL last season.
Talib was acquired for a draft pick.
Those guys arent going anywhere.
And they would cost WAY more than that if they did.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Read on PFT that Rashard Mendenhall is not likely to return to the Steelers. He’s a punisher; we could use one of those.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
and while im at it.. it was the san diego sports radio
that reported Reggie is looking to trade Palmer for a 2nd
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Ok I just heard the san diego show
#News out of the senior bowl
#Reggie looking to swallow another 21 millions dollars in cap space getting rid of players who he feels dont belong to this new Raiders way of doing things. Who dont buy in for fit the system
#Reggie shopping Carson palmer for a 2nd rounder and putting “feelers” out among the league/ GMs
#Reggie ready to roll and go all in with PRYOR this upcoming year in what would be another rebuilding type year..or hopefully he can get HOT and prove to the team he is the FUTURE
The San Diego sports guy who has been at the senior bowl Lee Hamilton says he liked what PRYOR showed in the last game of the season and why not Play him? he is agreeing with with what REGGIE might do
then he just goes to other news around the league with revis etc.
In ohter news
Chip kelly has met with Vick.. and also has DENNIS DIXON on his radar to run his offense once he is done with the Ravens.. he is on there Practice squad
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
WES WELker is looking for big contract, NE isn’t going to give him one, you guys think , he would be a good fit for us in the slot?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
One of the many reasons we got shredded in the passing game last year is because we had no pass rush. Keep the #3 overall pick and get a pass rusher.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Steven Jackson would be cool for maybe a year or two, maybe get some Ty Wheatley like years out of him.
Plus, his dad was a client of my old firm in Vegas, have met Steve a couple of times in passing.
Dad was a craps dealer downtown.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
and just case anyone cares.. I look all over for up to the date raider news whether it be Radio, Web, Twitter etc
Im an wannabe insider.. or reporter in training
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
i would love to get gosder same with talib just not so sure mumbles would go after him with his off the field issues grimes and mckelvin would also be sweet what about sam shields ?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
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Every NFL team scouts for different things. Expecting several hundred online scouts to agree is crazy.
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January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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Still pissin in the wind.
Save it for year 3 or 4 and then it might be relevant.
Otherwise you just sound stupid.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
So a guy with a Bum Knee would be our best slot guy??? Reggie had the chance to pick him up and passed… If he was that good of a slot guy Jacksonville would keep him since he’s gonna be a cheap signing.
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Yep.
He got healthy last season.
He can walk into our locker room today and be our best slot WR.
If you dont think so you havent watched much Raider ball lately..
January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
maybe there is some language in the contract similar to Seymour’s, where it voids somehow.
Nobody saw that coming either.
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Seymour was set to become a UFA this year anyways. when he restructured to the vet minimum (along with Palmer & Huff) they paid him the same amount, just added a few “voidable” years in the event he still has some good football left in him – that isn’t the case, he’s done. Since the contract can be voided, it will be. Wish Reggie could have talked Rolando’s agent into a contract re-do before giving him a second chance. I don’t know the contract language of Brisiel or Branch, but those were HORRIBLE signings by BigMac. Chalk them up to rookie mistakes?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
Ok, going to start on defensive rankings in just a minute. Will go DE, DT then a short break for questions. #NFLDraft
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
1.) Barkevious Mingo – #LSU – Explosive, but raw edge rusher with a rare blend of length and speed. May fit best in 3-4 at OLB. Top 15
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
2.) Bjoern Werner – #FloridaState – German-born standout is good in pursuit, has a quick 1st step, and some variety as a pass rusher. Top 15
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
3.) Dion Jordan – #Oregon – May be more of a LB at the next level. 6′7 240+ with exceptional length, athleticism, versatility. 1st Round
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
4.) Damontre Moore – Texas A&M – Productive pass rusher in a variety of roles. Plays with a nonstop motor and excellent awareness. 1st Round
ryan is covering the senior bowl as nfl draft analyst
his qb rankings
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
1.) Geno Smith – #WVU – Accurate passer has arm talent and shows tremendous poise/command at times. Throws deep ball w/anticipation. Top 10.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
NEW TYRANN MATHIEU interveiw with Patrick PEterson (VIDEO)
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/outside-game-patrick-peterson-prepares-friend-tyronn-mathieu-033736996–nfl.html
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman
Revis in that Silver&Black? #WhatYaThink
knows something??
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
mcfadden I think welker would be a good fit for anybody in the slot. GOD know’s we need a WR who can move the chains i just don’t see Welker wanting to come to OAK TOWN.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
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Grimes is the best Falcon defender, I would bet they are not going to let him go, especially at the number you are mentioning. Talib has been a problem and seems to have settled in New England. MacKenzie is not going to bring problem guys here. He is working to get rid of problem guys. McKelvin was basically the dime corner. That ain’t good. Cherilus certainly has improved after a dismal start to his career, but he’s not better than we already have here.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Im telling you two guys that will help the RAiders big time are going undercover.. probaly till combine.
CHANCE WARMACK..
LB – ALEC OGLETREE
January 25th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Cut Kelly, give that money to Henry Melton DT, Michael Bennet TB, Michael Johnson DE , CINCY or to Randy starks miami
January 25th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I posted this yesterday
Incarcerated Bob@incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: 3 Teams showing early interest in #Jets Revis (Broncos / Redskins / Raiders) all 3teams called in Last 24hours
January 25th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Trade Ford to the Texans!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
I watched alot of Raider football and think Jordan Shipley wont even be in the league in 3 years.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Not a great FA pass rusher this year…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
We have to make it happen for Honey Badger.
Can have a Devin Hester like impact on ST’s, which is huge for a struggling offense.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Honestly to me Chance Warmack is the best player in the draft but he’s a guard so he get’s no love.
Ogletree is the best MLB prospect in the draft before and after the Teo Scandal.
I rewatched some A&M games and Central Michigan games this week and Fischer we’ll be a better prospect for a Power scheme and Joeckel is suited more for the ZBS.
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Real. agreed
Im telling u guys.. SHHYT is going down in RAIDERLAND… Reggie Mckenzie is operating underover right now.. but he is building a squad
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
When talking Free Agents, before you mention a name, make sure you think about their current team and WHY they would let that player leave.
We’re not outbidding anyone.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
[...]
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zymurge, always a voice of reasoning, them Sharks are chomping like crazy eh?
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Thanks dude!
I was at the game last night. In fact, I’ve never missed a home opener (or the closer) in the Sharks 22 year history; a streak I hope to continue to my death bed. Hopefully there’s a Cup or two in there before that
The game was pretty epic. They came out on fire and pounded Phoenix. Only the antics of Labarbera (one huge goalie!) kept the Yotes alive. The Sharks finally broke through with a goal, but then let up noticeably in the 2nd and start of the 3rd. Suddenly, with a couple of bad bounces for Niemi they were down 1-3 and looking kinda defeated. But they slowly started picking up steam and ended up chipping their way back to tie it. Then with less than a few minutes left, the top line created a 2 on 1, Little Joe made a beauty pass to Marleau, who used his quick release to rip the game winner high glove side. Big Joe got an empty netter to finish it 5-3.
Marleau has two goals in each of the first 3 games. He’s could realisitcally pull off a 30 goal season even with the shortened year. And Big Joe has 9 points in those same three putting him on a crazy pace to possibly put up 100 points in less than half as many games.
I know it’s early, but this sure feels like it could be their year. Given the nucleus of the team is up there in the years, the shorter season could be ideal for them and allow them to not be so beat up by the time the playoffs start.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Jets beat writer
Rich Cimini@RichCimini
Source: “I gathered from Woody (Johnson) that, in his mind, (Revis) is gone.” Revis also “speechless.” #Jets http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8877568/darrelle-revis-new-york-jets-left-speechless-trade-speculation …
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
mcfadden I think welker would be a good fit for anybody in the slot. GOD know’s we need a WR who can move the chains i just don’t see Welker wanting to come to OAK TOWN.
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Why not?
Our $$$ spends just the same.
Welker to “good” for us?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I think RM said he’s looking for tough, physical players.
Kirk Morrison? lol
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Blackbeard,
compared to guys like McClain, Goethel & Gaither … Morrison is a friggin beast!!
might as well nickname him He-Man or Conan the Barbarian
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Ok I just heard the san diego show
#News out of the senior bowl
#Reggie looking to swallow another 21 millions dollars in cap space getting rid of players who he feels dont belong to this new Raiders way of doing things. Who dont buy in for fit the system
#Reggie shopping Carson palmer for a 2nd rounder and putting “feelers” out among the league/ GMs
#Reggie ready to roll and go all in with PRYOR this upcoming year in what would be another rebuilding type year..or hopefully he can get HOT and prove to the team he is the FUTURE
The San Diego sports guy who has been at the senior bowl Lee Hamilton says he liked what PRYOR showed in the last game of the season and why not Play him? he is agreeing with with what REGGIE might do
then he just goes to other news around the league with revis etc.
In ohter news
Chip kelly has met with Vick.. and also has DENNIS DIXON on his radar to run his offense once he is done with the Ravens.. he is on there Practice squad
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What team would take Palmer? Palmer is mostly OVERRATED by a select few Raider fans.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Hopefully NAPPY knows something man i would love REVIS but im not gonna get my hopes up
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Henry Melton had the highest QB pressure % per pass-rush snap in the NFL in 2011.
Not sure where he fell in 2012, but I doubt if he fell it wouldn’t be far.
Someone is going to suprise and throw that dude a TON of money.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I posted this yesterday
Incarcerated Bob@incarceratedbob
**UPDATED NFL RUMORS**Source: 3 Teams showing early interest in #Jets Revis (Broncos / Redskins / Raiders) all 3teams called in Last 24hours
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Donkeys are going all out… Bailey is close to finished…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
I watched alot of Raider football and think Jordan Shipley wont even be in the league in 3 years.
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Can say the same for Carson Palmer, and a lot of guys.
Has nothing to do with our need THIS off-season.
Shipley, for the price and risk is a no brainer.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
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Grimes is the best Falcon defender, I would bet they are not going to let him go, especially at the number you are mentioning. Talib has been a problem and seems to have settled in New England. MacKenzie is not going to bring problem guys here. He is working to get rid of problem guys. McKelvin was basically the dime corner. That ain’t good. Cherilus certainly has improved after a dismal start to his career, but he’s not better than we already have here.
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Grimes is 30 , if we can pay him a M extra don’t u think he will come here? Pats never throw out money to anybody, they are def not going to give over 5 M to Talib
January 25th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
Ok, going to start on defensive rankings in just a minute. Will go DE, DT then a short break for questions. #NFLDraft
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
1.) Barkevious Mingo – #LSU – Explosive, but raw edge rusher with a rare blend of length and speed. May fit best in 3-4 at OLB. Top 15
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
2.) Bjoern Werner – #FloridaState – German-born standout is good in pursuit, has a quick 1st step, and some variety as a pass rusher. Top 15
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
3.) Dion Jordan – #Oregon – May be more of a LB at the next level. 6′7 240+ with exceptional length, athleticism, versatility. 1st Round
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
4.) Damontre Moore – Texas A&M – Productive pass rusher in a variety of roles. Plays with a nonstop motor and excellent awareness. 1st Round
ryan is covering the senior bowl as nfl draft analyst
his qb rankings
Ryan Lownes@ryanlownes
1.) Geno Smith – #WVU – Accurate passer has arm talent and shows tremendous poise/command at times. Throws deep ball w/anticipation. Top 10.
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Werner is a very solid, hardworking guy. I would think he might go second overall to Joke-sonville. Dion Jordan is a physical freak. And I mean a physical freak in a WORLD of physical freaks. Jordan might have the highest upside in the entire draft. Demontre Moore is another solid pick. Moore will make some team happy for 10 years. Geno Smith? Not getting excited with Smith here.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I’d rather have amendola but shipley would be a good slot too. I still don’t see the slot as a major position of need right now though. on offense alone you can point to a lack of a #1wr, te, rt, g…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Rich Cimini is nails on the New York football gossip scene.
Whoever trades for Revis, has to know that their is a likely possibility it is a one-year rental.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
NO not at all RAIDERLEN i was just thinking he would want to go to a team that actually has a chance of winning next year
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Vegas…take matthieu but as raider dell said to me yesterday…he not a big time tackler
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Jets beat writer
Rich Cimini@RichCimini
Source: “I gathered from Woody (Johnson) that, in his mind, (Revis) is gone.” Revis also “speechless.” #Jets http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8877568/darrelle-revis-new-york-jets-left-speechless-trade-speculation …
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Trade Palmer to the jets for Revis. LOL we can dream.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
you guys know damn well that AL would be all over this Revis trade, if he was still here…. RIP Big Al…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Brent Grimes, atlanta CB, should only cost us about 3.5-5.5 M a year,
Aqib Talib , should cost us about same 3-5 M
Leodis Mckelvin should cost us 3-5 a year
Gosder Cherilus OT Detroit 29, should cost about 4-5 M a year
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Grimes is the best Falcon defender, I would bet they are not going to let him go, especially at the number you are mentioning. Talib has been a problem and seems to have settled in New England. MacKenzie is not going to bring problem guys here. He is working to get rid of problem guys. McKelvin was basically the dime corner. That ain’t good. Cherilus certainly has improved after a dismal start to his career, but he’s not better than we already have here.
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Grimes is 30 , if we can pay him a M extra don’t u think he will come here? Pats never throw out money to anybody, they are def not going to give over 5 M to Talib
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True. And tearing an achilles is not going to help his cause.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
RaidO Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Jets beat writer
Rich Cimini@RichCimini
Source: “I gathered from Woody (Johnson) that, in his mind, (Revis) is gone.” Revis also “speechless.” #Jets http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/8877568/darrelle-revis-new-york-jets-left-speechless-trade-speculation …
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Trade Palmer to the jets for Revis. LOL we can dream.
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We can give em Kelly too.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
I draft Honey Badger with no expectations of him playing much if at all defensively.
Hell, I wouldn’t be suprised if he made like Hester and became a WR/trick play guy offensively.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Werner sucks glenny…..don’t even waste your time…..another fsu bum we don’t need
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Darrelle Revis is currently rehabbing from ACL surgery performed in October. With the Jets “exploring” trades for their star cornerback, teams need to be very wary of Revis’ physical status. While Revis will have plenty of time to rehab and recover by the time the 2013 season starts, there’s a poor record of comebacks for cornerbacks.
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high risk / high reward
Bartell & Spencer didn’t look good coming from other teams I.R. to being starting corners for us
I’d stiff trade Palmer and Huff for him though
January 25th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Wish we could get Palmer outta here….but I doubt it
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Vegas…take matthieu but as raider dell said to me yesterday…he not a big time tackler
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he’s not a little time tackler either. In fact he is not much of a tackler at all. And that is against college kids. Just imagine that 170 pounder trying to tackle Megatron, AP, or Tony Gonzalez.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
HA….just got my AMEX annual appt book (a must in my business) and for each month they highlight some world-class city.
One month is San Diego, with a picure of the beach and the first douchey San Diego dude you see has a tramp stamp tattoo.
Thought it was funny.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Wish we could find a way to get a 2nd… I think Jordan Poyer is the type of guy we need for this team.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
I can’t see the raiders going after and wr other than a #1. Anyone else is pointless. Moore could be traded. Dhb likely cut it severely restructured. Streaters in the plans for sure. Criner is fine as a 3 or 4. And ford is our KR.
And speaking of ford, we already have our Hester. Lets not forget how great he is as a returner.
Plus Pryor could return punts (I’m serious).
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Wish we could get Palmer outta here….but I doubt it
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OK, who’s going to QB then? You?
January 25th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Vegas…take matthieu but as raider dell said to me yesterday…he not a big time tackler
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he’s not a little time tackler either. In fact he is not much of a tackler at all. And that is against college kids. Just imagine that 170 pounder trying to tackle Megatron, AP, or Tony Gonzalez.
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Or just watch tape of DVD
January 25th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
What are y’all thoughts on johnathan cyprien the FS from Fla international?….seems to have nice range and can cover plus hit hard
January 25th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
big mack says have anyone on our roster except
wiz
veld
reece
dmac
jano
pryor
for revis, take a few of them if you’d like
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Werner sucks glenny…..don’t even waste your time…..another fsu bum we don’t need
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hahaha. Good one. Normally I would agree, but Werner is a German. You know, work ethic. Something that doesn’t happen in the entire state of Florida.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
NO not at all RAIDERLEN i was just thinking he would want to go to a team that actually has a chance of winning next year
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The way I see it is Welker, If He’s after big $$$ should have the mindset that HE will be the guy that gets a team over the hump.
He is supposed to be a difference maker.
If He wants a check to catch passes and Win in an already successful structure, I’d pass or rather RUN from Him.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Julian Endelman is scrappy and has played for a winner.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
you guys know damn well that AL would be all over this Revis trade, if he was still here…. RIP Big Al…
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I agree with ya on that one!
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
If we trade Palmer, I’m all for it, cuz that means we draft a qb at #3. Cuz as we all know, we don’t have a viable replacement currently on the roster.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I like Cyprien he’s a a little rough around the edges but think that he’ll be a big time player in the NFL… Nice Hips and plays to the ball only issue I’d have is he is so aggressive that he mite be a PI machine
January 25th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I’m sure everyone agrees.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
And speaking of ford, we already have our Hester. Lets not forget how great he is as a returner.
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He don’t return punts, and in our division with the WC weather and kickers, kickoffs are not even returnable half the time.
And last we seen of Ford at WR, he was letting multiple passes clang of him against Dallas in the preseason.
Schlepp him off on whoever.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
I can’t see the raiders going after and wr other than a #1. Anyone else is pointless. Moore could be traded. Dhb likely cut it severely restructured. Streaters in the plans for sure. Criner is fine as a 3 or 4. And ford is our KR.
And speaking of ford, we already have our Hester. Lets not forget how great he is as a returner.
Plus Pryor could return punts (I’m serious).
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Pryor will be the starting QB of the Raiders eventually next year so get used to it.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
What are y’all thoughts on johnathan cyprien the FS from Fla international?….seems to have nice range and can cover plus hit hard
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one of the top peformers at the senior bowl per scouts. also a member of the north coached Raider team
January 25th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Reggie wants his 2nd round pick back.. said in an interview yesterday he wish he had it.. gonna see if he can work on things
January 25th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
How about Fasano for TE i know we probably keep Myers but Fasano and Sparano have history… Just saying…
January 25th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
If I’m an established well respected coach like Tony Sparano … i’m looking at this O-Line thinking “holy crap!”
everybody not named Jared Veldheer & Stefen Wisniewski can kick rocks
January 25th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Werner sucks glenny…..don’t even waste your time…..another fsu bum we don’t need
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What’s up B? Hope all is well.
I watched Werner in the bowl game and wasn’t impressed.
He didn’t jump off the screen for sure.
I didn’t see impact player.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Pryor will never be the #1 qb here or anywhere.
So get used to that.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
I sense a friendly wager brewing.
January 25th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I think Reggie just wants his 2nd round pick back.. and to clear money from the books
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This makes the most sense to Me.
Not a knock on Palmer by Reggie, but a way of getting to the root of who will be the QB of the Future when theoretically, the Raiders are contenders EVERY year.
The only way to know if TP is that Guy, is to play him.
If for instance, He were to play all 16 next season, Reggie should have his answer, and can make moves accordingly.
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YEP and worse case scenario.. the raiders are picking in TOP 3 again with some awesome awesome talent next year.
Clowney, Johnny football, Bridgewater.. and we will have all 7 picks for the first time in 5 yrs
January 25th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I watched Werner take several plays off.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
If we trade Palmer, I’m all for it, cuz that means we draft a qb at #3. Cuz as we all know, we don’t have a viable replacement currently on the roster.
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If this was the ‘83 draft I might agree but I don’t see many Elway’s, Marino’s or Kelly’s at the top of this draft.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Trade Back:
1- Barret Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Joseph Fauria [TE, UCLA]
7- Brandon Harvey [ILB, Delaware]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s good, but this is perfect IMHO:
Trade back (more than once if we have to(, so we can add a 2nd and 3rd
1- NT J Hankins
2- CB: X Rhodes, D Amerson, D Trufant, or J Poyer
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins
3- DE D Jones
4- OLB Jamie Collins
4(comp pick)- ILB Andrew Jackson, Reddick, or N Johnson
January 25th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
so … if Huff goes back to FS?
the only CB’s under contract on the roster are Chimdi Chekwa & Cory Nelms
nobody thinks Reggie would be interested in Revis?
LOL, question is “what would it take to acquire him?”
Reggie wants to keep all his draft picks (and rightfully so)
January 25th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
For a guy to excel at every position on the Oline, that Barret Jones must have a lot of root hog in him.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
If I’m an established well respected coach like Tony Sparano … i’m looking at this O-Line thinking “holy crap!”
everybody not named Jared Veldheer & Stefen Wisniewski can kick rocks
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And Wisniewski might want to loosen up his kicking leg, you know, just for kicks.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
U have to be able to pass the ball well to start in the nfl. Rainbow ducks don’t qualify.
Man, I’m bored with this subject.
I think I’ll go watch some ice cream melt in the dessert.
I’m thinking of painting the walls in my rumpus room a kinda off white. Maybe…..a semi white.
Yes. A Semite tone.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
If we trade Palmer, I’m all for it, cuz that means we draft a qb at #3. Cuz as we all know, we don’t have a viable replacement currently on the roster.
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If this was the ‘83 draft I might agree but I don’t see many Elway’s, Marino’s or Kelly’s at the top of this draft.
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Plenty of Joey Harringtons.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Let’s be honest here, we will not give any guy more than 6-8 M a year, and we will only dole out about 20-25 M in FA, so plan your targets accordingly
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You talk as if this stuff is real………lol
If you want big name players it takes big name money. But I know you guys think Reggie can pull rabbits out of hats and get Darrelle Revis for 8 mill.
You cannot run a NFL football team on a shoestring budget you either get in or get out.
Further more this the Oakland Raiders and some of you stumble bums want to turn us into the AZ Cardinals. I hate counting pennies but obviously most of you think taht’s how it’s supposed to be done.
No one is saying dole out good money after bad I’m saying I want to compete for the best players available not someones crap because it comes cheap.
Some of you have no idea who we are and how we got to be what we once were how to be great. All you ever talk about is what we cannot afford……….shut up!
What we can’t afford is to run this team like it’s a nickle and dime store. Some of you need to go root for the another team because you obviously have no idea who we are……….period
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Jim Caldwell wants to be a head coach again
-PFT
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
With his salary, I would be surprised if we got ANYTHING for him.
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you know Vick & Fitzpatrick aren’t going to be retained either. Depends on whether or not any of these new coaches are enamored with Palmer, or if they want to try a revive a deadbeat’s career like Jim Harbaugh did with Alex Smith
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Sorry, but that’s a very myopic statement. A few naive Pryor lovers use that to convince them that Palmer is worthless. In reality, he’s far from a deadbeat and not at all in the pre-Harbaugh Alex Smith camp. If he were on the market right now he’d be ranked the #2 best available FA QB behind Flacco. That’s ranked above the post-Harbaugh Alex Smith too. A lot of teams would love to have him over the other options out there.
Go hop on the boards of teams like the Jets, Cards, Jags or even teams with like the Vikes, Bills, et al and see what they’d be saying about a chance to get Palmer. Guys coming off 4K yard, 22 TD seasons are not considered garbage in the real world outside the walls of Raiders myopia.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
For a guy to excel at every position on the Oline, that Barret Jones must have a lot of root hog in him.
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And he played the last part of the season and National Championship Game with a Lis-franc tear. Which of course is why McFadden took most of the 2011 season off even tho he was paid millions. Yet Jones continued to play. For free.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I thought every time I watched Werner he kind of exciled on guile and instincts/good play recognition.
Not the elite athlete you typically take at #3 in the draft, but I think he will be a 10 year NFL player.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Joey Clicksdale(Head scout IT)might be on reggie’s ear about Revis…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Redia,
Last 3 years in terms of wins & losses …
Joey Harrington = Carson Palmer
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I thought every time I watched Werner he kind of exciled on guile and instincts/good play recognition.
Not the elite athlete you typically take at #3 in the draft, but I think he will be a 10 year NFL player
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As is Cooper Carlisle…lol
Couldn’t pass it up.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Yeah but Joey plays better Piano so he wins.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I watched Werner take several plays off.
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I have seen the same thing. But again most teams are just staying away from him, and his job most likely would be contain, not to follow the play.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
[...]
I’m thinking of painting the walls in my rumpus room a kinda off white. Maybe…..a semi white.
Yes. A Semite tone.
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A “semite tone”?
Aren’t those the musical notes that are played between those on the western scale? You know, like in the music from places like Afrika and the middle east.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
No two people are going to run the organization the same way.
Why would you hire a GM and then tell him what to do with the cap?
You hired the man to do his job, let him do it. If he fails, you fire him.
There was no salary cap or Free Agency the last time the Raiders won a Super Bowl. I am ready to try something else in the salary-cap/FA era.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
no thanks on TP if he’s our QB we will def be taking clowney or johnny football with the first pick in 2014 guy can’t throw didn’t anybody watch him at THE OHIO STATE
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
no thanks on TP if he’s our QB we will def be taking clowney or johnny football with the first pick in 2014 guy can’t throw didn’t anybody watch him at THE OHIO STATE
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I fail to see the downside.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
As is Cooper Carlisle…lol
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Savage!!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Yet Jones continued to play. For free.
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Only scrubs play for free. This dude’s about to become a multi-millionaire.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
I thought every time I watched Werner he kind of exciled on guile and instincts/good play recognition.
Not the elite athlete you typically take at #3 in the draft, but I think he will be a 10 year NFL player
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As is Cooper Carlisle…lol
Couldn’t pass it up.
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Kind of reminds me of Grant Wistrom from the Rams… Back in the Greatest show on turf days…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Guys coming off 4K yard, 22 TD seasons are not considered garbage in the real world
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Attn: Zymurge
credit Greg Knapp
only 19 turnovers in 15 starts!!
40 turnovers in his previous 25 starts (2010 & 2011)
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Barret Jones did play through the Lisfranc Injury as a Linemen but he also had 4-5 weeks to let it rest.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
This dude’s about to become a multi-millionaire.
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If he goes in the mid 2nd round to a CA team, his after tax salary might be less than yours.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
I see Bridgewater being a better Pro Prospect than Johnny Football..
January 25th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Wha?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Pryor will never be the #1 qb here or anywhere.
So get used to that.
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You need to get use dto eatiung your own words because that’s all you’ve been doing when it comes to Pryor. And you’re supposed to be a coach?
On the other hand I have said Pryor would be the starting QB for this team sooner than anyone of you expect well some of you are smart enough to soften your tone some are just loudmouth knownothings.
All of you including this judge character doubted Reggie or anyone was genuinely interested in Pryor that it was just talk and then he started and impressed. Now he’s a candidate for the starting position whether your rednecked coach likes it or not. The GM has spoken and so has the owner.
So IMO the one that needs to get used to something is you and your cronies and bigot butties………period
January 25th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
This dude’s about to become a multi-millionaire.
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If he goes in the mid 2nd round to a CA team, his after tax salary might be less than yours.
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hahaha. Good one. Jones will go first round barring a catastrophe. He is one player I would LOVE to trade down and grab. Hankins being another.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
This dude’s about to become a multi-millionaire.
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If he goes in the mid 2nd round to a CA team, his after tax salary might be less than yours.
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Lol. Ooooohhhhh.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Anybody agree this franchise needs more money? So we are under the cap. Do we have the money to spend or are we in the red? Start dumping some big contracts and sell some of the contracts. Win with raw and young players like Seattle. When the wins start happening the cash register will be a gingeling. It’s what you say, no brainer.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
draft star
trade cp and moore for revis
sign m johnson or c avril
draft/sign ilb’s and oline
January 25th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Pryor will never be the #1 qb here or anywhere.
So get used to that.
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You need to get use dto eatiung your own words because that’s all you’ve been doing when it comes to Pryor. And you’re supposed to be a coach?
On the other hand I have said Pryor would be the starting QB for this team sooner than anyone of you expect well some of you are smart enough to soften your tone some are just loudmouth knownothings.
All of you including this judge character doubted Reggie or anyone was genuinely interested in Pryor that it was just talk and then he started and impressed. Now he’s a candidate for the starting position whether your rednecked coach likes it or not. The GM has spoken and so has the owner.
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You have to do something with Pryor. We spent a 3rd on him. Teams can get Pro Bowl players in the 3rd round pretty regularly. The longer the team languishes, and the longer Pryor languishes on the bench, the more the rabble is going to voice it’s displeasure at the main guys of the org: Allen, Carson and McKenzie.
So, all that being said, Pryor is going to be put out there to sink or swim. I know you think I am being harsh on Pryor but frankly I have been nice. There are sooooo many flaws to his game that seem incorrectable. Of course if the NFL goes the way of the running option Q, then we have the right guy. Bring on the wishbone!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Pryor will never be the #1 qb here or anywhere.
So get used to that.
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How do you know? Clairvoyant?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
draft star
trade cp and moore for revis
sign m johnson or c avril
draft/sign ilb’s and oline
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Great plan. Just one question: who plays Q?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
I see Bridgewater being a better Pro Prospect than Johnny Football..
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I might agree with that.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
Grads had DHB, Murphy & Schilens at WR
Palm had Ocho, Coles & Caldwell at WR
our leading rusher was Fargas with a whopping 32 yards.
Meanwhile, Bernard Scott (subbing for Benson) had 120 for Cincy
Final Score: Raiders 20 Bungles 17
Palmer had them in position to make a comeback and was intercepted (by Nnamdi) in the final drive. Sound familiar?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
I think we need to stand pat at #3 and take an impact player like Star or Jones. The problem with trading back is that you might not get an IMPACT player but just a good to very good one. The Raiders have zero impact players on D and the best way to get one is to pick one at #3.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
kelly=gone
seymour=gone
dhb=gone
cp=gone
briesel=gone
January 25th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Pryor given the opportunity to compete for #1 QB tells me Reggie and mark have cp3 on a short leash. To bad for cp3 he had knapp and a crap offense. But Pryor may be more suited to work with a cheap offense than cp3.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
In regards to QBs in upcoming drafts. I see this year being the point before the tsunami were the ocean recedes and 2014-15 being the actual tsunami of high ceiling QBs. There will be busts, but there is plenty of ceiling.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
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CP got off to a fast start and was nowhere to be found in the clutch, and got out-willed by a Heart of a Lion member.
Sounds like 2012
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
“Draft another player from Alabama and another center named Barret!!!”
I’ve said this 2 years ago and again: REPLACE Center, R Guard & R Tackle. I said this when WIZ was the Left Guard. Last year they moved him to center, NOT GOOD !! Move him back to LEFT GUARD where DMAC ran real good with those two on the left side. We need an animal at Center aka Barret, then replace the right guard & tackle with really good players, then pick up a great blocking tight end. Our O-Line dictates how good our Offense will be. PERIOD !!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
There are sooooo many flaws to his game that seem incorrectable. Of course if the NFL goes the way of the running option Q, then we have the right guy. Bring on the wishbone!!!
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I admit I’m no QB Coach (Lol) but, I ve been following the Raiders since 64′ watched many QB’s……I don’t see all these so-called horrible flaws?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
rediaR Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
no thanks on TP if he’s our QB we will def be taking clowney or johnny football with the first pick in 2014 guy can’t throw didn’t anybody watch him at THE OHIO STATE
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I fail to see the downside.
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Another year of misery in this blog for one.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
as long as DMC stays….
January 25th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Raiders need a new stadium. Build it in the parking lot and put a new parking lot where the o is now. That’s how the big boys do it.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Well the best blocking tight end in college football also played at alabama michael williams he’s 6 foot 6 270lbs and he’s gonna be a late round pick prob 6th or 7th round can also catch it alittle bit but the dude is a monster in the trenches
January 25th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Priest–as usual, ur lying. I have been completely correct about Pryor. I said he was a poor passer and he proved it. There has been no announcement confirming he will be in an “open” competition. They said they wanted to him compete.
I’m a bigot? Boy, u and a couple other black guys sure throw around that word a lot about anyone who doesn’t agree with u. Shameful to use such a weighty word so capriciously. An embarrassment really. There are real big it’s and racists in the world and u demean urself a d all blacks by do carelessly labeling people that if they think a qb can’t pass.
U should honestly apologize and be ashamed.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Great plan. Just one question: who plays Q?
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tp was a inaccurate, but good receivers make those catches and he has and will continue to improve. cp is obviously not elite but if we can get rid of his contract or most of it, we’d b better because of it
January 25th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Guys coming off 4K yard, 22 TD seasons are not considered garbage in the real world
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Attn: Zymurge
credit Greg Knapp
only 19 turnovers in 15 starts!!
40 turnovers in his previous 25 starts (2010 & 2011)
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Wait, I thought Knapp was the root of all problems. Now he’s getting credit for making Palmer play above his own ceiling in ball protection skills? Despite having him throw 50+ times a game?
You can’t have it both ways. Well, you can’t unless you aren’t into this concept known as logic that most of us abide by.
Anyway, my point was about Palmer’s value to other teams. If you say that he has demonstrated in his most recent season that with the right system and right coaching that he can throw in the top 10 in the league in yards and TDs while also keep his turnovers at that same level, then doesn’t that mean that he does have value? At least to those that do live in reality and aren’t blinded by pessimism?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
damn there showing the johnny manziel 5 trick shots on college football live dude makes some crazy throws into the hoop from the upper deck at kyle field johnny heisman is a beast
January 25th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Crambowa Parbolumba Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Pryor given the opportunity to compete for #1 QB tells me Reggie and mark have cp3 on a short leash. To bad for cp3 he had knapp and a crap offense. But Pryor may be more suited to work with a cheap offense than cp3.
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Very true. The season is not over(Super Bowl) and Raiders already have a QB controversy brewing. They should prevent all the nonsense and just trade or cut Palmer. If Palmer ends up starting and makes a few mistakes he will get benched. Everybody will be calling for TP. We all know this will happen.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
rediaR Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
no thanks on TP if he’s our QB we will def be taking clowney or johnny football with the first pick in 2014 guy can’t throw didn’t anybody watch him at THE OHIO STATE
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I fail to see the downside.
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Another year of misery in this blog for one.
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We are under contract for at least one more year of misery anyway. May as well get Clowny for it. Oh man, if we could have two firsts next year, now that would be the dream.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Kell-u have been watching since 64. That’s cool. But in that time, u haven’t been able to see what an nfl pass looks like? Pryor throws rainbow ducks, bouncing dirt balls, way off target missiles. He’s got it all. Except that good right accurate ball.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Great plan. Just one question: who plays Q?
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tp was a inaccurate, but good receivers make those catches and he has and will continue to improve. cp is obviously not elite but if we can get rid of his contract or most of it, we’d b better because of it
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Are you talking about the same WRs that were so incompetent that they caught 4000 yards worth of passes from Palmer? More collective yards than more than 20 of the other teams in the league.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Someone brought up a great point. JOEY CLICKSDALES former Pro Talent director of the JETS.. now with the Raiders..
Reggies’ Right hand man.. him and reggie standing next to eachother the entire senior bowl watching the OL/DL one on ones.
I bet he is talking up REVIS big time to regg
January 25th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I been a raider fan since ‘63. Way before most y’all could pee. When u could watch practices for free. My grandmother lives in Tennessee.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Darrelle Revis@Revis24
I guess we’ll see how this plays out.
Twitter.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Crambowa Parbolumba Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I been a raider fan since ‘63. Way before most y’all could pee. When u could watch practices for free. My grandmother lives in Tennessee.
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You forgot the part about drunk driving into a tree.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Quit stealing my handle you jack ass.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
cp>pryor by quite a bit at this point but just so damn expensive with so many needs. da really f#cked up by not playing pryor more to see what we have. he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college, but he impressed me in his one game. damnit da, you shoulda played him more
January 25th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
TP can extend plays TODAY. That results in 1st downs and Touchdowns.
He can become better in the passing game with a core group of Recievers and a scheme that plays to His strengths.
He has more than enough arm to make the requisite throws.
His attitude and work ethic are Professional grade.
I look forward to His progress and believe He can be a starting NFL QB.
My preference is to find out sooner, rather then later.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Just cause u put steak sauce on it dont make it steak.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
so capriciously
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Great word!!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Great plan. Just one question: who plays Q?
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tp was a inaccurate, but good receivers make those catches and he has and will continue to improve. cp is obviously not elite but if we can get rid of his contract or most of it, we’d b better because of it
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Are you talking about the same WRs that were so incompetent that they caught 4000 yards worth of passes from Palmer? More collective yards than more than 20 of the other teams in the league.
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4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL especially when the QB’s passer rating is like 86 and when most of the stats came in games in the 4th quarter with 6:00 left down by like 28 points. Palmer is good at patting stats.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Cannot imagine that a team like the Vikings wouldn’t be interested in Palmer for a 3rd round pick.
I cannot imagine that Palmer wouldn’t be drooling at the chance to reclaim his reputation with AP running the ball. I think he would redo his deal to be traded to the Vikes, who are a “good” QB away from being a serious contender.
Funny, but Mistic compared Palmer to Kerry Collins, but Kerry Collins did make the Titans into a playoff team, albeit it was on the back of Chris Johnson.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Someone brought up a great point. JOEY CLICKSDALES former Pro Talent director of the JETS.. now with the Raiders..
Reggies’ Right hand man.. him and reggie standing next to eachother the entire senior bowl watching the OL/DL one on ones.
I bet he is talking up REVIS big time to regg
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Yes, Heard he was given credit with the scouting of Revis, NY Jets days…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Are you talking about the same WRs that were so incompetent that they caught 4000 yards worth of passes from Palmer? More collective yards than more than 20 of the other teams in the league.
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yes they dropped a lotta balls thrown by palmer too. and palmer is better than pryor by quite a bit yes. but in that particular game, most of tp’s throws were catchable yet weren’t caught. i’m not saying pryor is better now, he isn’t, but we need so many pieces that if we can get rid of most of his contract we should and hope pryor pans out. that’s why da f’d up big time by not playing pryor more to better assess him
January 25th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
let’s not forget sparano was with the jet’s last year maybe he is in big fat reggies ear about revis also
January 25th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
TP can extend plays TODAY. That results in 1st downs and Touchdowns.
He can become better in the passing game with a core group of Recievers and a scheme that plays to His strengths.
He has more than enough arm to make the requisite throws.
His attitude and work ethic are Professional grade.
I look forward to His progress and believe He can be a starting NFL QB.
My preference is to find out sooner, rather then later.
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To bad that upsets people in here. I was a big cp3 fan, but hey, what have you done for me lately. Mark and Reggie will have cp3 on a very short leash.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
There are sooooo many flaws to his game that seem incorrectable. Of course if the NFL goes the way of the running option Q, then we have the right guy. Bring on the wishbone!!!
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I admit I’m no QB Coach (Lol) but, I ve been following the Raiders since 64′ watched many QB’s……I don’t see all these so-called horrible flaws?
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Watch his footwork and his arm motion. And if that is not enough, on the TD pass he threw, the lst one I believe, Pryor rolls to his right, rolls, stops and lobs a pass late back across the middle. That is THE VERY FIRST THING QB’s are taught not to do. Do not throw late back across the middle. In this instance, it worked out. Now that that bad habit is cemented in him, the next 100 times he tries it will result in picks.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
These QB’s who RELY on a few 3rd down conversions, by evading the rush, making a move on the LB and picking up 12 yards, have to be at 100% most of the time.
If a guy who stands in the pocket, like a Flacco type, has a bum ankle, not as big of a deal as the guy who need to run around to be effective.
All of a sudden on that 3rd down, with a less than 100% ankle, you evade the rush, and that LB flattens you for a 3 yard gain. 4th down, punt.
Got to toss the pelota!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You and all your butt butties been saying he will be CUT at the end of the year. That once they see all his ineptitude no one will want to leave him at that position and he he’ll either be cut or change position.
Well you were wrong on all counts. Not only did he start ahead of your hero Leinart but he played well enough for that REDNECK had to admit he was impressed. Now we find the GM wants he should compete for the starting position. That’s a long way from getting CUT bonehead. That sounds like to me they are considering starting him if he improves to that point. Let me tell ya’ if they put Pryor on equal footing with Palmer he may not beat him out right away but by midseason if we don’t have a winning record I gaurantee you they will start Pryor or the redneck will get fired.
They’ll bring in a real coach with some HC’ing pedigree and get it done. DA is NOT HC’ing material he’s a fraud and soon enough they will all have to face it. Sparano didn’t come here for nothing he specializes in the read option and hybrid offenses. Thta caters to Pryor’s ability and versatility. The Oakland Raiders have seen the light. Reggie cannot afford to sit idoly by and give DA another year of unproductivity. He will either get it done or he will be gone….period
January 25th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
cp>pryor by quite a bit at this point but just so damn expensive with so many needs. da really f#cked up by not playing pryor more to see what we have. he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college, but he impressed me in his one game. damnit da, you shoulda played him more
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“he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college”
What?
Pryor:
Passing Efficiency Rating= 2010 Big Ten 157.9 (3rd)
January 25th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Not only did he start ahead of your hero Leinart
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LOL!!!!
I never saw one person in here support Leinart.
This whole place knew he sucked from day 1.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL especially when the QB’s passer rating is like 86 and when most of the stats came in games in the 4th quarter with 6:00 left down by like 28 points. Palmer is good at patting stats.
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Quite frankly at times it seems all the coaches were interesting in is padding Palmers stats.
Goes back to what Rockstar was saying earlier, about DA sweet talking Palmer after every loss.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Leinart = Bobby Hoying…lol
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Just cuz u put catchup on it dont make them fries.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Lienart = mierda caliente
January 25th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
dont care for the redneck either him and TP can both kick rocks for all i care
January 25th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 7:55 am
Leinart = Peter McNeely
He’s just here for Pryor to beat someone out and compete.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Glenny…..I can do no worse than Palmer leading the raiders to nowhere
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RaidO Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
cp>pryor by quite a bit at this point but just so damn expensive with so many needs. da really f#cked up by not playing pryor more to see what we have. he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college, but he impressed me in his one game. damnit da, you shoulda played him more
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“he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college”
What?
Pryor:
Passing Efficiency Rating= 2010 Big Ten 157.9 (3rd)
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But again, you break down his games and yes against Weber State and Murray Teacher College, he completed 70% of his passes and did well. Against Wisconsin, and other big times programs he was horrible. There is no denying this.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Better smell it b4 u decide to step in it.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Glenny…..I can do no worse than Palmer leading the raiders to nowhere
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Bri with all due respects, I have seen A LOT WORSE than Palmer under center around here.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
I don’t believe that Pryor is the level of QB prospect some on here believe he is, but I think Leinart is merely a tomato can that they are lining up for Pryor to beat.
Makes sense. Really no shot of him beating out Palmer for the #1 gig, so why not bring in some has-beens and let Pryor build up his confidence, beating out a seasoned vet, so to speak.
I like the move. And if Pryor can’t beat out the Matt Leinart’s of the world, than the writing is on the wall as well.
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Been pretty consistant on TP throughout the year.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
60.9% completion rate in college.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Pryor has more upside. cp3 is on the downside of his career. To bad it did not work out, but time to move on. Just hope the coaches don’t wreck Pryor.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Kell what are your plans for Super Bowl Sunday…is the Malibu Rum on ice…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Kell what are your plans for Super Bowl Sunday…is the Malibu Rum on ice…
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Dont know yet, probably have some friends over for some eatin and drinkin.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Watch his footwork and his arm motion. And if that is not enough, on the TD pass he threw, the lst one I believe, Pryor rolls to his right, rolls, stops and lobs a pass late back across the middle. That is THE VERY FIRST THING QB’s are taught not to do. Do not throw late back across the middle. In this instance, it worked out. Now that that bad habit is cemented in him, the next 100 times he tries it will result in picks.
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The next 100 times huh? what happens when you turn out wrong again? Huh?
What you don’t get nutcase is he only throws it if it’s open if it’s NOT he tucks it and runs out of bounds. Unlike Palmer he provides options he can do either it does have to be roll and throw he can roll and run or throw or get out of bounds. But I understand those options never crossed your narrow mind.
What this shows is that you guys think this kid is stupid and that’ why you are soo way off on him. Pryor is one of the smartest football players you’ll meet. He is competitively intelligent he knows what he caan and cannot do to lead this team. It’s a matter of reps to catch up with the speed of the game. And when he does you’ll see something very similar to Kappy and Cam it’s just that you ignorant racist suckas can’t see past your racist nose. You think the only smart QB’s are the white ones. That’s why Kappy, Cam, RG3, Wilson and others are making so many look like fools.
Pryor is what I would consider a great leader not a good one a GREAT leader he understands what it takes to win games and lead his team. He will rarely put the ball at risk…….period
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RaidO Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
cp>pryor by quite a bit at this point but just so damn expensive with so many needs. da really f#cked up by not playing pryor more to see what we have. he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college, but he impressed me in his one game. damnit da, you shoulda played him more
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“he was horribly inaccuarte coming out of college”
What?
Pryor:
Passing Efficiency Rating= 2010 Big Ten 157.9 (3rd)
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But again, you break down his games and yes against Weber State and Murray Teacher College, he completed 70% of his passes and did well. Against Wisconsin, and other big times programs he was horrible. There is no denying this.
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Hey, Kaepernick played in the WAC and his
Passing Efficiency Rating= 2010 WAC 150.5 (3rd)
I will say it again “The WAC”
Look who’s in the Superbowl.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
If u r hungry and want a cheeseburger clap ur hands. hahahahaha just cuz u put cheese on dont make ita burger.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
I have no issue with Palmer. True Pro.
Moving forward in a REBUILDING mode, TP makes more sense even if He isn’t the ONE.
Reduce payroll, evaluate TP and adjust from there.
Personally I saw enough of TP in San Diego to believe He can get it done.
Smart Kid with intangibles.
Last I checked, Joe Kapp and Billy Killmer threw much uglier balls.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
To kick rocks? Lol ok
January 25th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL especially when the QB’s passer rating is like 86 and when most of the stats came in games in the 4th quarter with 6:00 left down by like 28 points. Palmer is good at patting stats.
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Quite frankly at times it seems all the coaches were interesting in is padding Palmers stats.
Goes back to what Rockstar was saying earlier, about DA sweet talking Palmer after every loss.
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Yeah, that makes total sense. The coaches also told the WRs that on Pryor’s start, to make sure that they didn’t run to where the ball would land. IF they did accidentally have a ball thrown near them, they were instructed to not catch it.
You guys try SO hard to not believe your eyes. When you run an experiment it’s best to change one variable to determine the cause and effect. The WRs were static, the QB changed. One looked inaccurate and it was the WRs fault. The other threw the ball accurately and it was caught, but it was the game situation’s fault for them being successful.
Seriously, how hard is it to see that most of Palmer’s throws are on target, and some of those are throws that maybe half the QBs in the league can’t make.
Meanwhile, how did you not see that Pryor threw about 5 decently target passes, several that made the WRs have to stop and/or reverse their track to catch them giving up RAC, and many that were just lobbed into a vicinity that often was several yards aways from where the WR could get to.
It was the least accurate demonstration of a start by a QB than I’ve seen in a long time. But man, did you see him evade that pass rush and how fast he ran to almost make it out of bounds as the first half came to a close?!? Game changing!
January 25th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
All Right fellas have a good weekend…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Jack ass.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Leinart = Bobby Hoying…lol
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Why do u insult Bobby Hoying like that?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
Grads had DHB, Murphy & Schilens at WR
Palm had Ocho, Coles & Caldwell at WR
our leading rusher was Fargas with a whopping 32 yards.
Meanwhile, Bernard Scott (subbing for Benson) had 120 for Cincy
Final Score: Raiders 20 Bungles 17
Palmer had them in position to make a comeback and was intercepted (by Nnamdi) in the final drive. Sound familiar?
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Actually I was at that game and really marveled at how good Palmer was. I think Palmer was like 65% completions for almost 10 yards per attempt. Gradkowski was like four yards per attempt. And again if I remember right, four bunghole fumbles cost them that game including the game winner with a minute to go on the kickoff. Not Palmer.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
I have no issue with Palmer. True Pro.
Moving forward in a REBUILDING mode, TP makes more sense even if He isn’t the ONE.
Reduce payroll, evaluate TP and adjust from there.
Personally I saw enough of TP in San Diego to believe He can get it done.
Smart Kid with intangibles.
Last I checked, Joe Kapp and Billy Killmer threw much uglier balls.
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If you had any inkling of credibility at all when starting this post, it all went out the window when you connected “smart kid” with Pryor. He may be one of the most mentally challenged QBs to don a Raiders jersey of all time.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Leinart = Bobby Hoying…lol
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Why do u insult Bobby Hoying like that?
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Bastard could not throw anything accurate AFC championship game against the Black Birds…
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
priestt PRYOR understands what it takes to win games what do u base this off of he hasn’t won a game in the NFL yet lol
January 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Bobby Hoying rules….quit hatin
January 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
j/k Later DJ
January 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RediaR Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Crambowa Parbolumba Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
I been a raider fan since ‘63. Way before most y’all could pee. When u could watch practices for free. My grandmother lives in Tennessee.
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You forgot the part about drunk driving into a tree.
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and the resulting head injur-ee
January 25th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
IMHO we should be looking at FA Wrs only for depth. We have a #1 his name is Streater. FA for safety/corner, o-line, and RB. Draft will fill the holes. But then again I’m not the GM……nor am I at Denny’s
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
so capriciously
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Great word!!!!
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mmm, thank yo.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
The answer to the following question should be the same as the answer to whether or Pryor should start:
Are we rebuilding?
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Ummmm….Hoying cant surely be blamed for 2000 afc title game…..ref called a bs off Pi on rison …..he drove the ball better than Gannon did that day
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Zymurge
I saw a 3rd string QB who hadn’t gotten rep all year, or played in a game in 2 years, come in and throw 2 TD pass, Run for 1, convert 53% of his 3rd downs, had 4-5 passes dropped, no penalties, no sacks. Ok, get over it. Most people saw the same thing. That why his stock has gone up, and he’s in the mix.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
RaidO Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Great plan. Just one question: who plays Q?
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tp was a inaccurate, but good receivers make those catches and he has and will continue to improve. cp is obviously not elite but if we can get rid of his contract or most of it, we’d b better because of it
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Are you talking about the same WRs that were so incompetent that they caught 4000 yards worth of passes from Palmer? More collective yards than more than 20 of the other teams in the league.
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4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL especially when the QB’s passer rating is like 86 and when most of the stats came in games in the 4th quarter with 6:00 left down by like 28 points. Palmer is good at patting stats.
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patting stats? u mean like “hey stats, nice going buddy.”
January 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
RaidO Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL
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except that u can pass.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Also I like Pryor but Palmer gets the call in 2013
January 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Just killing time going through the May 2nd thread.
That’s when Mistic denied he talked up Troy Smith, and I posted the thread where he compared Troy Smith and Jason Campbell’s QB play to the days of Jim Plunkett and Joe Montana in the Bay Area.
January 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
What makes what you say so foolish Seymour Bush is you think just because he played poorly in a few games 3 out of 38 that makes him whatever he was in those 3-4 games. You cannot exclude basically his entire career and take a 5 games and say SEE I TOLD YA’ he can’t play. That is the very essence of ignorance.
A player is what he does on a more consistent basis. Those games against poor teams count just as much as the great teams he played. WHY because he was dominant against teams he should dominate. He also WON games he played poorly in. Just because his completion % was low the point is HE WON!.
Many QB’s including Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana played poorly against GREAT defenses. EVERY QB plays poorly once in a while. The point is can you help your team win regardless to how well you played or your completion% says. That is the mark of great QB can you WIN………..period
January 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
I have no issue with Palmer. True Pro.
Moving forward in a REBUILDING mode, TP makes more sense even if He isn’t the ONE.
Reduce payroll, evaluate TP and adjust from there.
Personally I saw enough of TP in San Diego to believe He can get it done.
Smart Kid with intangibles.
Last I checked, Joe Kapp and Billy Killmer threw much uglier balls.
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If you had any inkling of credibility at all when starting this post, it all went out the window when you connected “smart kid” with Pryor. He may be one of the most mentally challenged QBs to don a Raiders jersey of all time.
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Oh arbiter of all things….It’s my opinion.
If Pryor is the Man eventually you can be assured that I won’t be back to rub your nose in it.
I don’t play like that.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Whn i talk the people wanna say yeah. just cuz u put a cherry ontop of it dont make it a banana split. even if it tastes like cshlt. Cuz the ice cream aint legit. it plays out like a bag of chips. 60niners are outta tricks.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
May 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
I don’t have the race issue, I would love if we drafted Geno Smith.
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Before the college season started!!!
Draft Geno!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
priestt PRYOR understands what it takes to win games what do u base this off of he hasn’t won a game in the NFL yet lol
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January 25th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Cannot imagine that a team like the Vikings wouldn’t be interested in Palmer for a 3rd round pick.
I cannot imagine that Palmer wouldn’t be drooling at the chance to reclaim his reputation with AP running the ball. I think he would redo his deal to be traded to the Vikes, who are a “good” QB away from being a serious contender.
Funny, but Mistic compared Palmer to Kerry Collins, but Kerry Collins did make the Titans into a playoff team, albeit it was on the back of Chris Johnson.
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i expect the vikings to make a play for jamarcus. imagine the cough syrup endorsements.
purple people eaters?
how about purple syrup drinkers?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Don’t be surprised if Felix jones is on our roster this year either
January 25th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Bring in a vet for cheap and draft a Qb late like that Baylor kid to compete with pryor….we not winning the title as it is fellas
January 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
exactly in 2009 meyers recovered that fumble on a kickoff that setup the game winning field goal nothing palmer could do about that wow the lengths people will go get ur facts straight player
January 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Hey, Kaepernick played in the WAC and his
Passing Efficiency Rating= 2010 WAC 150.5 (3rd)
I will say it again “The WAC”
Look who’s in the Superbowl.
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But again, you look at their sked and they played ranked teams like Fresno State, Boise State, and a bowl game against Boston College. And Kapernick played well against top competition. kapernick was accurate in college against good teams. Pryor cannot say that. The scouting report on Kapernick coming out was athletic and competitive. Those are traits that translate also to Pryor. Kap beat Boise State and ruined their season. He got better throughout his career. We won’t know what would have happened with Pryor because he was involved in a scandal and took the entire program down. Kind of a difference there.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Are you talking about the same WRs that were so incompetent that they caught 4000 yards worth of passes from Palmer? More collective yards than more than 20 of the other teams in the league.
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yes they dropped a lotta balls thrown by palmer too. and palmer is better than pryor by quite a bit yes. but in that particular game, most of tp’s throws were catchable yet weren’t caught. i’m not saying pryor is better now, he isn’t, but we need so many pieces that if we can get rid of most of his contract we should and hope pryor pans out. that’s why da f’d up big time by not playing pryor more to better assess him
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in the words of jack honer:
“we’re in familiar territory now.”
January 25th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
We are building. We have a vacant lot and we are going to build a dream house.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
actually KELL it’s fact
January 25th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Vegas and Kelp….how bout dem warriors? D lee the all star….curry got snubbed
January 25th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Kapy shredded the Cal Bears on ESPN in college.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Both deserved it, but thought Steph made a better case the last 2 weeks.
The Herd put him in his top 10 players. Damn near blew me away.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You and all your butt butties been saying he will be CUT at the end of the year. That once they see all his ineptitude no one will want to leave him at that position and he he’ll either be cut or change position.
Well you were wrong on all counts. Not only did he start ahead of your hero Leinart but he played well enough for that REDNECK had to admit he was impressed. Now we find the GM wants he should compete for the starting position. That’s a long way from getting CUT bonehead. That sounds like to me they are considering starting him if he improves to that point. Let me tell ya’ if they put Pryor on equal footing with Palmer he may not beat him out right away but by midseason if we don’t have a winning record I gaurantee you they will start Pryor or the redneck will get fired.
They’ll bring in a real coach with some HC’ing pedigree and get it done. DA is NOT HC’ing material he’s a fraud and soon enough they will all have to face it. Sparano didn’t come here for nothing he specializes in the read option and hybrid offenses. Thta caters to Pryor’s ability and versatility. The Oakland Raiders have seen the light. Reggie cannot afford to sit idoly by and give DA another year of unproductivity. He will either get it done or he will be gone….period
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who exactly are u talking to?
said he would be cut? LIE
hero leinart? LIE
if they’re on equal footing, pryor won’t beat him out? well, that’s the truth.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Lee needs to not let Boozer push us around on the offensive glass today.
I have hated that guy for years since his Jazz days, when he would go for like 24 and 20 on us.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
GrandwizardIan85 ….. who leads in pick sixes in last decade? Who never won a playoff game? Who hasn’t made back to back playoff appearances? Who quit on the team who made postseason last two seasons?
Ahem you done with your white knight gay initiation…tell me
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Jim Plunkett won games for the Oakland Raiders because he was competitive not because of his freakin completion%. Pryor can complete 80% of his passes for almost no yards so what does that get you?
Greatness is NOT about a completion% it’s about competing and leading a team to victory.
Joe Montana, Steve Young were HOF talents and have great completion% BUT the highest rated QB in Niners history is JEFF freakin GARCIA. So who the hell cares about what complation% if the guy cannot win games.
Palmer will always be a better pure passer than Pryor but I bet you Pryor will have a better career…………period The kid is a WINNER!!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
4000 yds means nothing in today’s NFL especially when the QB’s passer rating is like 86 and when most of the stats came in games in the 4th quarter with 6:00 left down by like 28 points. Palmer is good at patting stats.
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Quite frankly at times it seems all the coaches were interesting in is padding Palmers stats.
Goes back to what Rockstar was saying earlier, about DA sweet talking Palmer after every loss.
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too stupid for words. they were passing in an effort to CATCH UP!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
It’s hard to say we are rebuilding with a qb like Palmer on our roster. We had the talent this year to go 8-8 didn’t pan out because of coaching IMO. Fortify the lines and we will be fine in a new scheme. 3-4 defense 2013
January 25th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
We won’t know what would have happened with Pryor because he was involved in a scandal and took the entire program down. Kind of a difference there.
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Bizzaro world of ncaa scandal. Tattoos for swag.
Pfft.
Kap is REAL. TP is to be determined.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Vegas we need not get into ugly game…that’s what thibodeaux wants…..wanna see okay and Barnes be good singleness tonite
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
147.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I think RM said he’s looking for tough, physical players.
Kirk Morrison? lol
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Blackbeard,
compared to guys like McClain, Goethel & Gaither … Morrison is a friggin beast!!
might as well nickname him He-Man or Conan the Barbarian
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Omar Gaither made more plays against the run at the end of the season than Kirk Morrison did in his entire time as a Raider.
Morrison is a p*ssy. Worst starting MLB against the run I’ve ever seen, and I’m not exaggerating.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Anyway…gametime vs bulls….I’m out…go dub life go!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
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done nothing but throw for the 2nd highest amount of yards in raider history. i think i’m sensing envy here. “rich boy”?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
People can feel however they want about Pryor. I choose to think he has potential. Maybe not to be a Kaepernick or Russell Wilson, but most certainly a decent back-up. We do not need Matt Leinart.
The fact of the matter is, the Raiders were out of the playoffs in week 12. That means they had a MONTH that they could’ve played the hell out of Pryor, and chose not to. In that month a lot of things could’ve been determined. Like, is he a steaming pile of crap with legs? Has he shown any progression from one week to the next as far as accuracy, touch, etc. Hard to find out when you wait and wait, and then play him at the last minute.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
priestt PRYOR understands what it takes to win games what do u base this off of he hasn’t won a game in the NFL yet lol
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no, he does. he understands palmer should start. he knows this.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
We’re getting some very reputable coaches in here. Our new lb coach was the DC for a very good Green Bay team.
If Tarver weren’t already the DC you’d think Sanders would make more sense…having already served 3 yr’s as a DC on a strong SB contender, and have a youngster like Tarver…..a co-DC at Stanford as lb coach.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Zymurge
I saw a 3rd string QB who hadn’t gotten rep all year, or played in a game in 2 years, come in and throw 2 TD pass, Run for 1, convert 53% of his 3rd downs, had 4-5 passes dropped, no penalties, no sacks. Ok, get over it. Most people saw the same thing. That why his stock has gone up, and he’s in the mix.
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Filtered vision or selective memory? Pryor did have reps prior in the season, in fact in just the two games before. He came in and vultured red zone opportunites from Palmer and went 0 for 2.
I also saw one of his TDs happen on a poor pass where DHB actually got away with a push off to save an interception and then made a great falling away catch to haul in the score. Yet, he’s one of those WRs that apparently gave no support for Pryor who was so successful despite them. Take that one great DHB play away and we’re talking 1 TD, 2 INTs, and Pryor one step away from being declared worthless.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Barnes has been a disappointment.
Looks scared offensively.
D has been pretty good though, tip my cap there.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Omar Gaither made more plays against the run at the end of the season than Kirk Morrison did in his entire time as a Raider.
Morrison is a p*ssy. Worst starting MLB against the run I’ve ever seen, and I’m not exaggerating.
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Copy that.
Like Kirk as a Person, but He’s not a real MLB.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
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done nothing but throw for the 2nd highest amount of yards in raider history. i think i’m sensing envy here. “rich boy”?
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Jeff George had a nice season with the Raiders once, and we went nowhere. Obviously, QB is not what’s killing the team. I just choose to think I’d rather have someone else. Palmer is not a bad QB. With a top notch defense he may even get them to the playoffs. I just have no faith in him.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Fk the 3-4…..4-3 all day
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
What makes what you say so foolish Seymour Bush is you think just because he played poorly in a few games 3 out of 38 that makes him whatever he was in those 3-4 games. You cannot exclude basically his entire career and take a 5 games and say SEE I TOLD YA’ he can’t play. That is the very essence of ignorance.
A player is what he does on a more consistent basis. Those games against poor teams count just as much as the great teams he played. WHY because he was dominant against teams he should dominate. He also WON games he played poorly in. Just because his completion % was low the point is HE WON!.
Many QB’s including Payton Manning, Tom Brady, Joe Montana played poorly against GREAT defenses. EVERY QB plays poorly once in a while. The point is can you help your team win regardless to how well you played or your completion% says. That is the mark of great QB can you WIN………..period
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Honestly, I don’t care what a player did in college. I have said here ten thousand times it is a different game up here. Completely different game. And unlike most of you, I don’t fall in love with a guy. I fall in love with production.
You see Griffins lst start 19/26 for 320 yards. Luck 23 for 45 for 309. Newton 24/37 for over 400 yards. Even Tannehill for 20/36 for4 219 yards. Then you see Pryor at 13/28 for 150 yards. And the other guys did it against defenses that actually wanted to play. Pryor could do nothing against guys that wanted to get on a flight and go home. I am not making this up. These are the facts.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Palmer, barring injury, is going to be our starting QB.
Pryor is going to have to compete to be #2, I hope he does well.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
priestt PRYOR understands what it takes to win games what do u base this off of he hasn’t won a game in the NFL yet lol
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hey, another black guy who calls everyone racist like its candy.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RobertaMR ….lol yards not points or wins…..good job….hows sac treating ya??
January 25th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Jim Plunkett won games for the Oakland Raiders because he was competitive not because of his freakin completion%. Pryor can complete 80% of his passes for almost no yards so what does that get you?
Greatness is NOT about a completion% it’s about competing and leading a team to victory.
Joe Montana, Steve Young were HOF talents and have great completion% BUT the highest rated QB in Niners history is JEFF freakin GARCIA. So who the hell cares about what complation% if the guy cannot win games.
Palmer will always be a better pure passer than Pryor but I bet you Pryor will have a better career…………period The kid is a WINNER!!
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LOL! this might be the most clueless post ever.
qb’s don’t need to complete passes. they need to “compete”. and “lead”.
of course these are qualities that can never be proven or disproven. that’s why u like them better than that pesky completion percentage nonsense.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Word of the day….
Paradigm….
January 25th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
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done nothing but throw for the 2nd highest amount of yards in raider history. i think i’m sensing envy here. “rich boy”?
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Jeff George had a nice season with the Raiders once, and we went nowhere. Obviously, QB is not what’s killing the team. I just choose to think I’d rather have someone else. Palmer is not a bad QB. With a top notch defense he may even get them to the playoffs. I just have no faith in him.
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i think u just contradicted urself about 8 1/2 times.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
RobertaMR ….lol yards not points or wins…..good job….hows sac treating ya??
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never been there retard.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Word of the day….
Paradigm….
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i like semite. it means semi-white if u don’t know.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
4-3 the qb only has to identify blitzers. In a 3-4 he has to identify the 4th rusher on every play. Not to mention the 5-6th when we blitz. That’s just science. We don’t have the giants D line. 4-3 is done in oak town…… Good riddance
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
#232
CO-SIGN
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Ester post 339 very true they FCKED up
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
I loved Aaron brooks.
I love daunte culpepper.
I was kinda happy about Campbell but thought he was just marginal when he was here.
I loved the Palmer trade even though the team fell apart.
I loved the Pryor pick. Told Sullivan he was an idiot and to give Pryor a chance. But having seen him pass, I think he sucks as a passer.
I would take kaepernick, newton, griffin or Wilson (in that order) over Palmer ASAP.
I like geno and have said for a month that I wouldn’t mind drafting him at #3.
I named my son after Marcus Allen.
But supposedly I’m racist cuz I think Palmer is a better passer than Pryor and I think missdick is a racist.
That dude almost makes me wanna root against Pryor just so that moron can be humiliated.
But cuz he doesn’t actually mean anything and cuz I’m raider and Pryor fan, I’ll love it if he miraculously becomes a quality passer. (And a miracle is what it will take)
But it’s nice to have clowns. They make people laugh when the blow their horn.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
edward teach Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
147.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I think RM said he’s looking for tough, physical players.
Kirk Morrison? lol
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Blackbeard,
compared to guys like McClain, Goethel & Gaither … Morrison is a friggin beast!!
might as well nickname him He-Man or Conan the Barbarian
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Omar Gaither made more plays against the run at the end of the season than Kirk Morrison did in his entire time as a Raider.
Morrison is a p*ssy. Worst starting MLB against the run I’ve ever seen, and I’m not exaggerating.
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What people forget is that Morrison was an OLB. He moved over and played out of position at MLB because there was a huge void there. He’s much more of a speed LB than a size/strength type, and playing in the middle exposed that.
As an OLB the year before, he was one of the top pass covering LBs in the game and held his own on the outside against the run.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Well Dr some people will never understand mystic,priestt,debo same old story everytime/everyday
January 25th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Stablersbeard Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Word of the day….
Paradigm….
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i like semite. it means semi-white if u don’t know.
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Yes. At least in the imaginary world of comic book freaks.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
IMO – Jarvis Jones is the best impact player in the draft…not sold on Werner at all.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
I’m already excited to drive up to Oakland for a game just because we have draft picks this year. Even though I’m sure we won’t be much better than this past season.
Jeez, I’m a sucker.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Good to see the race card is alive and well….put it back in the deck.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Alex Smith one of the top rated QB’s in the entire NFL as far as QBR is concerned and was benched by his HC because the guy behind him brought more to the game tghan he did.
Many Niner are up in amrs about it. But guess what the Niners are in the SB because of the kid they brought in. If you were to look at their stats harbaugh would be considered insane. But if you look at their leadership and competitiveness all of a sudden he looks pretty damn smart.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
O and I forgot to mention that old ass troll Kell
January 25th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
With Jets reportedly $30 million over the cap, no wonder the team is trying to shop Darrelle Revis.
Dude wants to be paid, big-time!
According to ESPN New York, Darrelle Revis is “believed” to be seeking $16 million annually and $60 million guaranteed on his next contract.
For perspective, Mario Williams signed a contract last March paying him $16 million per year but with “only” $50 million guaranteed. It made him the highest paid defensive player in league history. New Jets GM John Idzik met with his All-Pro cornerback on Friday, but was noncommittal on Revis’ future at his introductory press conference, which speaks volumes. The Jets only have Revis signed through 2013. Mired in the worst salary cap situation in football, the Jets simply won’t be able to pay the man.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
PRIESTT alex smith has always sucked
January 25th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
How’s the race baiting going on in here?
$12 million cap hit to TRADE Palmer. Yeah that’s gunna happen for a 2nd rounder….
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Guys hatin on Captn KIRK in here?!?!
Man is NOTHING sacred?
Have a nice weekend Nation…
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
You see Griffins lst start 19/26 for 320 yards. Luck 23 for 45 for 309. Newton 24/37 for over 400 yards. Even Tannehill for 20/36 for4 219 yards. Then you see Pryor at 13/28 for 150 yards. And the other guys did it against defenses that actually wanted to play. Pryor could do nothing against guys that wanted to get on a flight and go home. I am not making this up. These are the facts.
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That’s probably why they were singing his praises after the game birdbrain.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Alex Smith one of the top rated QB’s in the entire NFL as far as QBR is concerned and was benched by his HC because the guy behind him brought more to the game tghan he did.
Many Niner are up in amrs about it. But guess what the Niners are in the SB because of the kid they brought in. If you were to look at their stats harbaugh would be considered insane. But if you look at their leadership and competitiveness all of a sudden he looks pretty damn smart.
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What you are saying is exactly right here. Teams had figured the strengths and weaknesses of Smith. And Smith still played well. Harbaugh gambled on the competitiveness of Kaepernick and it panned out for them. At least for right now it has. Let’s see what happens when Fisher, Carroll and whoever is in Arizona starts looking at tendencies.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
So jake long is a FA this year. Whaddya think?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
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done nothing but throw for the 2nd highest amount of yards in raider history. i think i’m sensing envy here. “rich boy”?
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Jeff George had a nice season with the Raiders once, and we went nowhere. Obviously, QB is not what’s killing the team. I just choose to think I’d rather have someone else. Palmer is not a bad QB. With a top notch defense he may even get them to the playoffs. I just have no faith in him.
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i think u just contradicted urself about 8 1/2 times.
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Basically, I have no faith in him. And by the time they have the defense in a better place Palmer may be 40 years old. So, basically, they better start planning something.
Does that make sense?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Wow. There’s a team with a worse cap situation than us….cool.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
You see Griffins lst start 19/26 for 320 yards. Luck 23 for 45 for 309. Newton 24/37 for over 400 yards. Even Tannehill for 20/36 for4 219 yards. Then you see Pryor at 13/28 for 150 yards. And the other guys did it against defenses that actually wanted to play. Pryor could do nothing against guys that wanted to get on a flight and go home. I am not making this up. These are the facts.
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That’s probably why they were singing his praises after the game birdbrain.
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Sorry I forgot. 13 for 28 is not even 50%. For barely five yards an attempt. Griffin threw for ten yards an attempt. What these stats mean is Pryor could not even complete a dump off. Which is exactly what we all saw. Except you.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Yo
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
So jake long is a FA this year. Whaddya think?
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Pass.
We need a RT and Long will ask and receive more than He’s worth.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
jake long = beast who wouldn’t want him but left tackle isn’t our problem
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Stats that matter.
Td’s and turnovers. Period.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Basically, I have no faith in him. And by the time they have the defense in a better place Palmer may be 40 years old. So, basically, they better start planning something.
Does that make sense?
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Later in the season the defense played better. Much better in fact. So that might not be as long a rebuild as we all think. Number one thing a team needs is a solid marquee Q. We can either go with the one we have, or throw the one we have in the garbage and start flailing around in the deep end. That second option seems kind of silly to me.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Didn’t the Chargers sack the QB 11 times the week before the played us whom they hate much worse. They sackes the QB ELEVEN freakin times and this birdbrain wants people to believe that weren’t into our game.
Seymour Bush I find it hard to believe YOU are this damn stupid. I saw a defense trying to take Pryor’s head off but they couldn’t that defense was flying around hitting like crazy almost injured Streater. Wouldn’t let DMC get off and chased Pryor from one end of teh field to the other. After sacking the previous QB 11 times they didn’t get one single sack on the Pryor-ity. That’s a team that wasn’t competing….sure what else do you tell yourself?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
DJ Johnny
Indeed!
Adam Schefter says NY papers say Jets are $20 million over, but, Schefter got word from Jets sources the team is $30 million over the threshold.
Teams expect the Jets to jettison — no pun intended — several players just to get under the cap.
Schefter noted big money guys (Sanchez, Mangold) don’t have any leeway in terms of contract — pushing back/restructuring — so expect a lot of guys to be cut.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Trading or releasing Palmer would indeed be in the neighborhood of 12 million bucks…however, one of the new changes in the collective bargaining agreement states that the teams must spend a certain amount of “actual” money towards the cap. So, the Raiders could exceed the cap if it means that “actual” money is spent.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Stats that matter.
Td’s and turnovers. Period.
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Yes and no. One of my favorite QB stats is yards per attempt. You have to be able to throw the rock down the field. Otherwise the next thing that player hears is “there’s the door.”
January 25th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
. After sacking the previous QB 11 times they didn’t get one single sack on the Pryor-ity.
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Man our O-line is awesome!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Pryor did really good imo for his first career start.
He should’ve been 17-28 and 200 yd’s passing if not for the drops.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Jake Long is not as good as people think.
Graded out very poorly the last two years, lots of injuries and sacks allowed.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
….then again Palmer would have been a top 10 passer if not for the drops.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
#385,
Jack,
It’s awesome.
Whatever do they do with Mr. Sanchez?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Stay at #3 and draft Jarvis Jones if available.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Billy Joe Hobert rookie year week 17 in a 3 point loss:
11/18, 133, 3 TD O INT, 119 QBR
Jamarcus Russell, rookie year week 17
23/31, 224, 1 and 1, 91 QBR
Let’s not act like we haven’t seen this before
January 25th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Stats that matter.
Td’s and turnovers. Period.
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Yes and no. One of my favorite QB stats is yards per attempt. You have to be able to throw the rock down the field. Otherwise the next thing that player hears is “there’s the door.”
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I hear that. An NFL QB has to make the throws.
There are many ways to skin that cat.
I’m saying Pryor can make enough throws to make all other aspects of His game productive.
And the running game in general.
AND I think he could do that tomorrow.
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
He will not be…..exposed. lol
January 25th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
DJ Johnny
I’m inclined to agree with Schefter, the Jets hang on to Sanchez — to expensive to cut or trade.
Schefter says Jets will be on hook for $9 in cap hit if they trade or release Revis.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Didn’t the Chargers sack the QB 11 times the week before the played us whom they hate much worse. They sackes the QB ELEVEN freakin times and this birdbrain wants people to believe that weren’t into our game.
Seymour Bush I find it hard to believe YOU are this damn stupid. I saw a defense trying to take Pryor’s head off but they couldn’t that defense was flying around hitting like crazy almost injured Streater. Wouldn’t let DMC get off and chased Pryor from one end of teh field to the other. After sacking the previous QB 11 times they didn’t get one single sack on the Pryor-ity. That’s a team that wasn’t competing….sure what else do you tell yourself?
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You know, some of what you say here is true. The Dischargers coasted the lst half, but came out in the second half and played hard. And in the third quarter when their defense was actually playing, Pryor completed MORE PASSES TO THEM, than he did to his own guys. I am not making this up. Then at 24-7, with Pryor at 8-23 for 50 yards, the Dischargers began coasting again and making limo arrangements out of there.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Jake Long is not as good as people think.
Graded out very poorly the last two years, lots of injuries and sacks allowed.
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This is true. Get him cheap and put him on the right side.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
@394 – Dang, look at those Jamarcus numbers 23/31… this was before his mentor/uncle pass away… after his uncle died everything went down hill for Jabusto
January 25th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Long could be a Pro Bowl RT, but he is an average LT.
PFF put him as the 19th best LT in the league this last year. Veldheer was 11th.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
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Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out. They get worse. If that weren’t true, Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Jamarcus Russell would be Pro bowlers by now.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
I wouldn’t doubt Palmer would take a pay cut to help bring in some studs at WR.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
No way the Jets keep Sanchez, IMO.
They just can’t trot him out week 1, first incomplete pass that whole stadium will be booing like mad.
He will be cut.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out.
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Don’t understand why people just assume guys are going to get better, like just because.
Not how this league works.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBJ7KDXdFLk
January 25th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
People stil argue with Priesttj , what does he bring to this blog at all ? Besides name calling
January 25th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
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Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out. They get worse. If that weren’t true, Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Jamarcus Russell would be Pro bowlers by now.
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Drew Brees, Brett Favre?
TP has played ONE NFL game as a starter.
Is that a body of work upon which we should evaluate Him?
Probably not.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
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Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out. They get worse. If that weren’t true, Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Jamarcus Russell would be Pro bowlers by now
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This is just how Delusional this guy is. Very few players click righ away. Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get. Yet he choses to hate Pryor to the point he conjures up something as insane as this.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Pryor fan boys are jus idiots , it’s one thing to prop him up lil bit but talk like he’s going to be sum savior is jus ridiculous
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Don’t understand why people just assume guys are going to get better, like just because.
Not how this league works.
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Why would you not PRESUME a young player would get better.
Are you better now at what you do then you were a year ago.
I thought so.
Cmon.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Leave Pryor fan boys to agree with themselves , these guys are just idiots
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get.
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Billy Joe Hobert, Bruce Gradkowski, Jamarcus Russell and Andrew Walter were all better their first few starts than their last few.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Why would you not PRESUME a young player would get better.
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Because a lot of them don’t, especially QB’s.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Pryor fan boys are jus idiots , it’s one thing to prop him up lil bit but talk like he’s going to be sum savior is jus ridiculous
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Who said that? mystic only.
Generalities and slams like “idiots” are foolish.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
But cuz he doesn’t actually mean anything
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If Mystic means nothing then why do some of you guys come in here and mention or talk about him EVERYDAY, even if he’s not on the blog? Sounds to me like you guys cant get enough of him cuz if you were truly tired of him and wanted nothing to do with him or his accusations about this player or that player you would simply come here do what you do and leave without reading his post or responding to him. Obviously not the case.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
If Pryor came in and went 18/21 for 199 yards and still came up short in the win column, I would say the same thing I have been saying: that he was playing against a defense that had checked out. But at least I could understand the excitement. But when he goes 8/22 for 60 yards, he would have to get DRAMATICALLY better in four months to have any hope in this league. That ain’t gonna happen.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Nothing against TP, I know he will work his azz off to improve his game in every facet.
This is a tough league, you got Defensive Co-ordinators like Bellicheck with an Econ degree, or Tarver with some chemsitry degree from Stanford.
These dudes are super, super-smart, they find little advantages that make it harder on young QB’s.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Alex Smith one of the top rated QB’s in the entire NFL as far as QBR is concerned and was benched by his HC because the guy behind him brought more to the game tghan he did.
Many Niner are up in amrs about it. But guess what the Niners are in the SB because of the kid they brought in. If you were to look at their stats harbaugh would be considered insane. But if you look at their leadership and competitiveness all of a sudden he looks pretty damn smart.
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Sure. Let’s forget for a minute that the team has arguably the best defense and a top 3 running game as variables. Or that Smith has a better won-loss record percentage wise, a better completion ratio and a better passer rating. Clearly the ONLY difference is the leadership that Kaep brings.
Is Kaep more effective than Smith in the gimmick offense? He was initially but can he maintain it when defenses scheme better against the gimmicks? Maybe, maybe not. If the read-option QBs I think he has the strongest arm and the best head. He’s probably the least skilled runner of the group aside from the fact that he is really fast if you give him a wide open field to run down. If he is forced into more of a pocket passing game, he and Wilson probably have the best chance to make the transition based on their demonstrated passing abilities and smarts to run the offense.
Is he a better QB than Smith straight up? Well, that’s not a very high bar, is it? Take either of them off the team that has the best combo of running and defense as support systems and see how they do when the QB actually has to beat you. I don’t think either will pan out to be better than average given that.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Why would you not PRESUME a young player would get better.
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Because a lot of them don’t, especially QB’s.
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You can prove this?
Cause I’m not buying it.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
I gotta believe Pryor could win 4 games.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
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Take it in context. Then you won’t have to face palm.
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Jarvis Jones, Star Lotulelei, or Damontre Moore… these are the only (defensive)impact players in the draft
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
So we should sit Pryor because many QBs don’t improve after their first start?
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get.
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Billy Joe Hobert, Bruce Gradkowski, Jamarcus Russell and Andrew Walter were all better their first few starts than their last few.
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Hey genius, go check how Joe Montana’s career shaped up with experience. Take a look at every great QB in history and you’ll see a similar trend they got better with experience.
YOU are really this stupid???
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
But cuz he doesn’t actually mean anything
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If Mystic means nothing then why do some of you guys come in here and mention or talk about him EVERYDAY, even if he’s not on the blog? Sounds to me like you guys cant get enough of him cuz if you were truly tired of him and wanted nothing to do with him or his accusations about this player or that player you would simply come here do what you do and leave without reading his post or responding to him. Obviously not the case.
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Comic relief in a year where it is much needed.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Don’t understand why people just assume guys are going to get better, like just because.
Not how this league works.
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WTF do you mean not how the league works? some players obviously get better and some dont so wtf are you saying exactly?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Well yes, GREAT QB’s get better.
And the other 97% don’t.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Alex Smith one of the top rated QB’s in the entire NFL as far as QBR is concerned and was benched by his HC because the guy behind him brought more to the game tghan he did.
Many Niner are up in amrs about it. But guess what the Niners are in the SB because of the kid they brought in. If you were to look at their stats harbaugh would be considered insane. But if you look at their leadership and competitiveness all of a sudden he looks pretty damn smart.
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kaepernick can pass.
pryor can’t.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
I gotta believe Pryor could win 4 games.
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I’m not down on Palmer, but I agree.
The Raiders ARE rebuilding. High turn over of the Roster last year and this moving forward.
Things won’t settle down until 2014.
Is Palmer a part of the long range plan, probably not.
So move on take your lumps and “build it the right way”
January 25th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
? some players obviously get better and some dont so wtf are you saying exactly?
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Exactly what you are saying, some players get better some don’t.
Can’t just assume TP will get better.
Jamarcus never did, Walter never did, Billy Joe Hobert never did.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Glenn…..Palmer has done nada….every excuse is made for this spoiler rich boy …..he is a loser
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done nothing but throw for the 2nd highest amount of yards in raider history. i think i’m sensing envy here. “rich boy”?
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Jeff George had a nice season with the Raiders once, and we went nowhere. Obviously, QB is not what’s killing the team. I just choose to think I’d rather have someone else. Palmer is not a bad QB. With a top notch defense he may even get them to the playoffs. I just have no faith in him.
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i think u just contradicted urself about 8 1/2 times.
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Basically, I have no faith in him. And by the time they have the defense in a better place Palmer may be 40 years old. So, basically, they better start planning something.
Does that make sense?
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absolutely. with a qb that can pass.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Comic relief my ass…….he’s in your head.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
And we can’t assume he won’t get better either, right? If we’re rebuilding, why not roll with him and see what we have. Or are we expecting grandeur next year?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
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how was it after?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
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Take it in context. Then you won’t have to face palm.
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Don’t tell me how to take it…..blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah I know more about football than you blah blah blah argue my point blah blah blah troll fight troll fight I post smug comments blah blah blah
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Vince Young, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart.
None of these guys got better, but looked good to great for a few weeks/months to start their career
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
How did Jerry Rice’s career start off? How about Tim Brown? Like someone stated earlier Brett Favre didnt start off great and neither did Brees or even Aron Rodgers, Steve Young etc the list could go on and on.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
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Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out. They get worse. If that weren’t true, Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Jamarcus Russell would be Pro bowlers by now.
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Drew Brees, Brett Favre?
TP has played ONE NFL game as a starter.
Is that a body of work upon which we should evaluate Him?
Probably not.
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wow, u capitalized Him. u really have elevated Him to God status, haven’t u?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Hell, Bruce Gradkowski started his career off with breaking a 40 year old Johnny Unitas record for fewest INT’s to start career.
Then…..turned into a turnover machine, lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
The bottom line is Pryor has the support of the owner and GM even if the HC is too freakin dumb to see it for himself. Pryor is in the mix which is all HE can ask for. Now it’s up to him to show what he can do………..period
Arguing with these guys amounts to exactly NOTHING time will tell all..period
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Thank you guys for ignoring Pryor fan boys
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
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a few days ago, he was compared to babe ruth and alex rodriguez.
i assume they meant as a passer.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
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how was it after?
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Our defense still sucked after Kirk Morrison left but that doesnt mean that he didnt suck at MLB. Hell, the only reason that we even drafted Rolando McLain is because the Raiders were searching for an answer at the MLB position. The Raiders whiffed on Rolando. End of story.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Steve Young are all HOF players. Those guys stay great for a decade.
That’s not what we are talking about here.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
But cuz he doesn’t actually mean anything
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If Mystic means nothing then why do some of you guys come in here and mention or talk about him EVERYDAY, even if he’s not on the blog? Sounds to me like you guys cant get enough of him cuz if you were truly tired of him and wanted nothing to do with him or his accusations about this player or that player you would simply come here do what you do and leave without reading his post or responding to him. Obviously not the case.
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u don’t have a favorite toy?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
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how was it after?
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Damn you Robert. Lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
So we should sit Pryor because many QBs don’t improve after their first start?
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no, bcauase he sucks as a passer. pay attention.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
And again, I am not at all down on TP as a kid.
I hope we can Carson, roll with TP and someone else to push him.
But I have never thought he was the pro-talent people want to make him out to be.
He is a mid round pick at QB with some warts in his game. Great kid, great size, we will see if he turns the corner.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
If Pryor has support of owner n gm , why their fan boys fighting , Pryor will get a fair chance to start
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
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Take it in context. Then you won’t have to face palm.
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Don’t tell me how to take it…..blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah I know more about football than you blah blah blah argue my point blah blah blah troll fight troll fight I post smug comments blah blah blah
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OK. Have it your way. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Embrace Him/Her.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get.
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Billy Joe Hobert, Bruce Gradkowski, Jamarcus Russell and Andrew Walter were all better their first few starts than their last few.
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Hey genius, go check how Joe Montana’s career shaped up with experience. Take a look at every great QB in history and you’ll see a similar trend they got better with experience.
YOU are really this stupid???
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hey! there’s only one genius here!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Comic relief my ass…….he’s in your head.
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sounds like u have a crush.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
All need to chillax
January 25th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Scott Mitchell, Kevin Kolb, Matt Flynn, Vince Young, Brady Quinn, Matt Leinart.
None of these guys got better, but looked good to great for a few weeks/months to start their career
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JFB, you a Seattle insider?
You proposed Flynn earlier Today.
Why?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Brett Favre, Aaron Rodgers, Brees, Steve Young are all HOF players. Those guys stay great for a decade.
That’s not what we are talking about here.
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No? those guys started off not so great but became better with practice and more reps, TP COULD follow the same path, who’s to say he will or wont?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
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how was it after?
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Our defense still sucked after Kirk Morrison left but that doesnt mean that he didnt suck at MLB. Hell, the only reason that we even drafted Rolando McLain is because the Raiders were searching for an answer at the MLB position. The Raiders whiffed on Rolando. End of story.
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i liked morrison. took the fall for others.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get.
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Billy Joe Hobert, Bruce Gradkowski, Jamarcus Russell and Andrew Walter were all better their first few starts than their last few.
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Hey genius, go check how Joe Montana’s career shaped up with experience. Take a look at every great QB in history and you’ll see a similar trend they got better with experience.
YOU are really this stupid???
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Different era. Now it’s all about technology and video to break down the trends with analysts focused on just this. Newton is the best example of this, where his best games were his first two and it’s been mediocrity since then as he no longer is surprising people.
Montana was a case of a young QB in a fledgling offense where both were still figuring themselves out. Montana, like Manning, played a mental game first and beat you with his head before he snapped the ball. That takes a lot more time to develop, especially when you are creating the offensive system around them. That’s also why the system, once honed, is so difficult to defend because of the complexity and number of options.
Contrast that to a super simplified read-option and what you get is immediate gratification — it’s easy to pick it up and get running — but that will shortly be phased out as the defenses adjust to it’s low complexity scheme.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Has TP just been compared to Drew Brees and Brett Farve? WTF!
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Take it in context. Then you won’t have to face palm.
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Don’t tell me how to take it…..blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah I know more about football than you blah blah blah argue my point blah blah blah troll fight troll fight I post smug comments blah blah blah
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OK. Have it your way. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Embrace Him/Her.
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Blah blah blah blah Im smarter than you blah blah blah posting your smug comments blah blah blah trying to get street cred in an internet forum blah blah blah troll fight troll fight blah blah blah
January 25th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked.
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and anyone who thinks pryor is a poor passer gets called a racist.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Kirk ?
He seems like a cool guy but our defense sucked with him in there.
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how was it after?
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Damn you Robert. Lol.
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lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Matt Flynn is another one of those mysteries. He had two games and looked fantastic…and that’s all we’ve seen so far.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Cut Palmer….Draft Geno….Start Over….
January 25th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked
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No worries TJ.
I want to see TP play.
It makes no sense in a rebuilding situation to have an aging High priced QB on our roster.
If Reggie can trade Palmer, I’d do it for the long term outlook.
I don’t dislike Palmer, I just don’t see how He fits into the REBUILD that hopes to make us relevant by 2014-2015.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
If Pryor has support of owner n gm , why their fan boys fighting , Pryor will get a fair chance to start
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because my sikh friend, palmer is out Golden Haired Hero, and we will not tolerate the very notion of a colored kid taking his position.
colored. i knew a coach about ten years ago that still called black kids colored. unreal.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Stay away from Jarvis Jones. He’ll be the OLB equivalent of McClain. Not saying off the field, but just that the experts will tag him as a slam dunk and he’s anything but. I don’t think he’s at all as good as his numbers and hype would lead you to believe.
Best defensive player in this draft, aside from maybe Lotulelei, is Alex Okafor. I was onto this dude prior to the Senior Bowl. And I’ve seen it suggested we could trade down and get him in the 2nd. Not happening. I saw a mock that had him in the top 20 prior to this week. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he goes top10 and I would have no qualms taking him at No.3. I’ve got him ahead of Damontre Moore at this point. Not at all enamored with Jones, Werner, etc.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked.
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and anyone who thinks pryor is a poor passer gets called a racist.
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Shouldn’t that make us passifists? [yeah, I know it's spelled wrong, but it's funnier that way]
January 25th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
A lot of those guys you referened East, had a lot better first career starts than TP.
Look, I am not trying to look like I am bashing Pryor. I like the kid, like the intangibles, and would be cool with him and SOMEONE else, ideally not Palmer and his price tag, getting the starts next year.
But I have seen MULTIPLE Raider QB’s and youngsters come in week 17 of a meaningless game and look good, only to turn out to not be very good.
Anyone remember Joe Aska? Billy Joe Hobert?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Raider E Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Cut Palmer….Draft Geno….Start Over….
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i’m down with that.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
i’m down with that.
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2nd that
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You gotta admit a kid weighing 235 running a 4.3 making plays in the run and pass game could be devastating and def lower the morale of a D, it would be like tackling Calvin Johnson and what D wants to do that in the 4th and then have him beat you with his arm as well. I think I paint a pretty vivid picture thus the man crush, no homo.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked
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No worries TJ.
I want to see TP play.
It makes no sense in a rebuilding situation to have an aging High priced QB on our roster.
If Reggie can trade Palmer, I’d do it for the long term outlook.
I don’t dislike Palmer, I just don’t see how He fits into the REBUILD that hopes to make us relevant by 2014-2015.
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They don’t see it either but theyt prefer to argue nonetheless.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Hell, Bruce Gradkowski started his career off with breaking a 40 year old Johnny Unitas record for fewest INT’s to start career.
Then…..turned into a turnover machine, lol.
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Easy. Don’t be dissing Bruce Almighty. Highly underrated QB.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
RaiderLen be smart man, don’t bite. They know what you mean they just want to argue……anyone who says the slightest positive concerning Pryor get attacked.
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and anyone who thinks pryor is a poor passer gets called a racist.
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Shouldn’t that make us passifists? [yeah, I know it's spelled wrong, but it's funnier that way]
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i like it. i, myself, am a passifist.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
i’m down with that.
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2nd that
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Fortunately for us poor Raider fans, your track record is lousy.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You gotta admit a kid weighing 235 running a 4.3 making plays in the run and pass game could be devastating and def lower the morale of a D, it would be like tackling Calvin Johnson and what D wants to do that in the 4th and then have him beat you with his arm as well. I think I paint a pretty vivid picture thus the man crush, no homo.
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but u said run AND pass. we don’t have one of those.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Whats up Raider fans and others! I’ve been away for awhile, basically kicking cancer’s a$$. Looking forward to a very interesting offseason. I’m thinking Reggie trades like crazxy in the draft.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
i’m down with that.
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2nd that
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Im not, it just seems like there is something missing with him, he gives me the same feeling I had when we drafted Russell, seems to be great but something was missing.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Fortunately for us poor Raider fans, your track record is lousy.
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Nah….just had a few big whiffs this year.
How about IR’GIII never staying healthy? Everyone gave me crap about that for 3 months, then crickets.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Stay away from Jarvis Jones. He’ll be the OLB equivalent of McClain. Not saying off the field, but just that the experts will tag him as a slam dunk and he’s anything but. I don’t think he’s at all as good as his numbers and hype would lead you to believe.
Best defensive player in this draft, aside from maybe Lotulelei, is Alex Okafor. I was onto this dude prior to the Senior Bowl. And I’ve seen it suggested we could trade down and get him in the 2nd. Not happening. I saw a mock that had him in the top 20 prior to this week. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he goes top10 and I would have no qualms taking him at No.3. I’ve got him ahead of Damontre Moore at this point. Not at all enamored with Jones, Werner, etc.
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I hear what your sayin’ about Okafor…but comparing Jones to McLain was extreme to say the least…Jones has a real high motor with a serious knack for harrasing the offense…McLain even in college was always a long strider that couldnt shed blocks. Some teams even had Rolando rated as a 4th round draft pick at best…
January 25th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Raiders should try to revive the Kordell Stewart, “slash” thing with Pryor.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Whats up Raider fans and others! I’ve been away for awhile, basically kicking cancer’s a$$. Looking forward to a very interesting offseason. I’m thinking Reggie trades like crazxy in the draft.
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did u beat it?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
did u beat it?
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No sign of the tumor at all
January 25th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You gotta admit a kid weighing 235 running a 4.3 making plays in the run and pass game could be devastating and def lower the morale of a D, it would be like tackling Calvin Johnson and what D wants to do that in the 4th and then have him beat you with his arm as well. I think I paint a pretty vivid picture thus the man crush, no homo.
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but u said run AND pass. we don’t have one of those.
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He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
January 25th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Whats up Raider fans and others! I’ve been away for awhile, basically kicking cancer’s a$$. Looking forward to a very interesting offseason. I’m thinking Reggie trades like crazxy in the draft.
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Get well. Good thoughts headed your way.
Hope you’re right about Reggie trading like crazy.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
well done sir. fu@k cancer!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
It makes no sense in a rebuilding situation to have an aging High priced QB on our roster.
If Reggie can trade Palmer, I’d do it for the long term outlook.
I don’t dislike Palmer, I just don’t see how He fits into the REBUILD that hopes to make us relevant by 2014-2015.
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It makes sense if his replacement is being groomed to take over when he’s ready.
I am on record as saying I wanted Pryor to start the last 3 games.
I enjoyed watching him play. I love his attitude. I loved the way he pulled Goodson off that guy and got control of that situation. I love his humility and the fact by all reports he’s busting his butt to get better.
It’s not unnoticed by the coaching staff.
I want to see more of Pryor in the pocket making throws.
Hopefully we’ll get to see alot of him in preseason.
That’ll be fun.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You gotta admit a kid weighing 235 running a 4.3 making plays in the run and pass game could be devastating and def lower the morale of a D, it would be like tackling Calvin Johnson and what D wants to do that in the 4th and then have him beat you with his arm as well. I think I paint a pretty vivid picture thus the man crush, no homo.
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but u said run AND pass. we don’t have one of those.
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He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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he’s been working on it.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
No Lovie Awww…
Like this hire
Check out the production of the LB core in his tender in GB,MIA
an if it wasn’t for (I recall his name right now) anyway that guy that came from Houston to Buffalo and got that BIG contract sitting on his anus after the check cleared .. Coach would have still been in Buf…
Good hire..
Now Reggie, Mark & Staff .. Time to start willing & dealing
GO RAIDERS!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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Nah, it was a Freudian slip. Admit it! lol
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
if we move to 34 defense i really hope we draft jarvis jones but only if we move to a 34 dude can get after it not very good in the run game but the guy can bring the qb down
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Whats up Raider fans and others! I’ve been away for awhile, basically kicking cancer’s a$$. Looking forward to a very interesting offseason. I’m thinking Reggie trades like crazxy in the draft.
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God bless, and keep up the good work.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
personally, i’m a fan of rainbow ducks. they’re fun.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
McClain as a 4th? Not sure about that. Virtually everything I saw had him rated as top 15 and we were universally praised for finally making a sensible pick. By all accounts the Giants were taking him a few spots later. Instead, they had to “settle” for JPP.
I’m not dissing Jones for his hustle or attitude or anything — I just mean that he’s another SEC star defender with all the accolades and high draft rankings and, personally, I don’t see him panning out. I think he’s too light to hold the edge at the next level, don’t quite see him as a special rusher coming off the edge. I guess maybe Aaron Maybin would be a better comparison, but I was going for the SEC star-Raiders angle. I think Jones will be better than Maybin or Gholston, but I tend to think he’ll be a JAG , not a diff maker.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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Nah, it was a Freudian slip. Admit it! lol
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LOL, You guys with the fancy words, Freudian? I’m not that smart you gotta dumb it up a bit.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Wha??
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
personally, i’m a fan of rainbow ducks. they’re fun.
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Kilmer threw ducks.
Pryor can make the throws.
2 Years since His last real game. He did alright.
If you are looking for pretty passes TP isn’t your man.
If you want a Guy that moves the chains, he might be.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
i’m just happy this LB coaching hire is an obvious sign that pryor will start.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
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CP got off to a fast start and was nowhere to be found in the clutch, and got out-willed by a Heart of a Lion member.
Sounds like 2012
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Sounds more like Matt Ryan to me.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Plunk, very cool! Congratulations on the victory!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Seattle has ten draft picks, they are definitely trying to move up, so we have a trade partner there
January 25th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Sounds more like Matt Ryan to me.
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You and your 49ers pillow-talk.
Knock it off!!!!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
personally, i’m a fan of rainbow ducks. they’re fun.
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Kilmer threw ducks.
Pryor can make the throws.
2 Years since His last real game. He did alright.
If you are looking for pretty passes TP isn’t your man.
If you want a Guy that moves the chains, he might be.
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billy kilmer? that’s where we’re going to defend Toilet Paper 6-Pack?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Oh, evening, all. Back from errands, etc.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
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CP got off to a fast start and was nowhere to be found in the clutch, and got out-willed by a Heart of a Lion member.
Sounds like 2012
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Sounds more like Matt Ryan to me.
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yeah, and we don’t want no matt ryan around here.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Not that it matters, but i’ve got some multitasking to do here.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
You gotta admit a kid weighing 235 running a 4.3 making plays in the run and pass game could be devastating and def lower the morale of a D, it would be like tackling Calvin Johnson and what D wants to do that in the 4th and then have him beat you with his arm as well. I think I paint a pretty vivid picture thus the man crush, no homo.
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but u said run AND pass. we don’t have one of those.
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He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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So, aside from your just wanting it to happen, what evidence have you seen that tells you he will get better? How many QBs have you seen that suddenly learn a core skill after having a college career and two years in the pros to work on it?
I said it before and will say it again. Pryor doesn’t have the head to read the field at NFL speed. That’s why he can’t make the passes, because his brain doesn’t process everything going on fast enough. When you run, you only have to process what’s coming at you and avoid.
Pryor makes bad throws because he’s not mentally fast enough to process what to do in order to get his feet set and his body moving in the right direction the half second before you throw that the better QBs do naturally. You can’t learn that any more than Palmer can learn to run a 4.4 40.
If your definition of a complete QB is one that can both run and pass equally well then both Palmer and Pryor are deficient. Given that, I’ll take the one that passes better every time.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Thanks fellas.. I wouldn’t put anyone through what I have had the past 4 months…. Not even a Donkey fan..lol
January 25th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
My FA wish list
Jake Long
Greg Jennings
Jake Long
Dwayne Bowe
Did I mention Jake Long?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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Nah, it was a Freudian slip. Admit it! lol
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LOL, You guys with the fancy words, Freudian? I’m not that smart you gotta dumb it up a bit.
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Liar. lol
You were leaking information about your true self via your sub conscious mind.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Okafor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGo3BVi_7Do&sns=em
January 25th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
billy kilmer? that’s where we’re going to defend Toilet Paper 6-Pack?
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You understand the point.
Passes don’t have to be “pretty” to be effective.
Move the chains, protect the ball, and Win.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Shame to see jeff Saturday retiring after Super Bowl. If he were a FA, he’d be a good addition to the Raider line.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Long on the cheap would be a nice pickup. Buyer beware though. Gotta assume he’s somewhat damaged goods if Miami lets him walk away w/o a fight.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
With the momemntum of last years improvements, followed by the “continuity” of the organization to “change the culture”, sprinkled with a lot of Visor at the Senior Bowl, no doubt we are in the top 12 in fewest penalties next year.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
So, aside from your just wanting it to happen, what evidence have you seen that tells you he will get better? How many QBs have you seen that suddenly learn a core skill after having a college career and two years in the pros to work on it?
I said it before and will say it again. Pryor doesn’t have the head to read the field at NFL speed. That’s why he can’t make the passes, because his brain doesn’t process everything going on fast enough. When you run, you only have to process what’s coming at you and avoid.
Pryor makes bad throws because he’s not mentally fast enough to process what to do in order to get his feet set and his body moving in the right direction the half second before you throw that the better QBs do naturally. You can’t learn that any more than Palmer can learn to run a 4.4 40.
If your definition of a complete QB is one that can both run and pass equally well then both Palmer and Pryor are deficient. Given that, I’ll take the one that passes better every time.
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You may be right Z, but I have to see him fail for myself once I see he is not our future Ill move on but until I SEE him fail and fail and fail I’m on the bandwagon.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Jake Long was making like 10+ million bucks the last few years. He is due a massive pay-cut no matter what, he might just want to sign a 1 year deal and try to ball out somewhere else and hope to get the big deal in 2014.
We might be able to get an uber-motivated Long at 1 year, 6.5 million.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Thanks fellas.. I wouldn’t put anyone through what I have had the past 4 months…. Not even a Donkey fan..lol
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Yeah, P4H, I’ll bet the surgery, chemo, and radiation were a b*tch! I haven’t used that word in years. My brother-in-law’s a stage-3 cancer survivor. I think the psychological stress can be tremendous too. But it’s terrific you’re back!
Are you a passifist?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
With the momemntum of last years improvements, followed by the “continuity” of the organization to “change the culture”, sprinkled with a lot of Visor at the Senior Bowl, no doubt we are in the top 12 in fewest penalties next year.
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LOL Sounds like corporate propaganda from an outfit that has nothing going on but wants to lure an investor.
Well done corporate shill! lol
January 25th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Please pass on Jake Long, please!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
He’s working on it as we speak. Come mini camp time TP will be a well oiled machine. No homo(well oiled lol)
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Nah, it was a Freudian slip. Admit it! lol
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LOL, You guys with the fancy words, Freudian? I’m not that smart you gotta dumb it up a bit.
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Liar. lol
You were leaking information about your true self via your sub conscious mind.
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C’mon man, I stay as far away as I can from the Castro dist. and I love me some Chik-fil-let.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
rewind back to 2009 when Carson Palmer got outplayed by Bruce Gradkowski.
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CP got off to a fast start and was nowhere to be found in the clutch, and got out-willed by a Heart of a Lion member.
Sounds like 2012
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Sounds more like Matt Ryan to me.
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yeah, and we don’t want no matt ryan around here.
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I know I don’t!
January 25th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Any of you guys know why CNN is moving away from SI to Bleacher Reports for sports news? Isn’t BR a bunch of fan writers?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Scourge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Please pass on Jake Long, please!!!
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Whats your beef?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Please no first rounder for revis…no 2014 2nd rounder or this years 3rd and 5th hell no to that
January 25th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
McClain as a 4th? Not sure about that. Virtually everything I saw had him rated as top 15 and we were universally praised for finally making a sensible pick. By all accounts the Giants were taking him a few spots later. Instead, they had to “settle” for JPP.
I’m not dissing Jones for his hustle or attitude or anything — I just mean that he’s another SEC star defender with all the accolades and high draft rankings and, personally, I don’t see him panning out. I think he’s too light to hold the edge at the next level, don’t quite see him as a special rusher coming off the edge. I guess maybe Aaron Maybin would be a better comparison, but I was going for the SEC star-Raiders angle. I think Jones will be better than Maybin or Gholston, but I tend to think he’ll be a JAG , not a diff maker.
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Truth be told, the Raiders realized their mistake drafting Mclain soon after training camp started… Tom Flores mentioned one time that Rolando lost his starting MLB position to 6th round draft pick Travis Goethel before preseason was finished and the plan was to move Rolando to OLB because he couldnt shed blocks. Travis Goethel blew injured his knee thus forcing the Raiders to move Rolando back to the MLB position.
However…I digress…
Among many other things, the Raiders desparetly need a pass rusher…we have NO impact players on defense…who ever the Raiders pick, we better not whiff
January 25th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
I would trade Mcfadden for revis straight up though
January 25th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
A realistic FA wish list
1.- OT Phil Loadholt 25 mill X 5 years
2.- S Chris Clemons 15 mill x 4 years
3.- DT Alan Branch 12 mill x 3 years
January 25th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
EastOak, seems like we’d have to pay him a lot and it sounds like he’s unmotivated and an re-injury concern from what others say here. We’ve had enough of injury problems with other starters on the team. Would rather have a less of an injury risk.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
i’d give up a second for revis in a heartbeat.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
C’mon man, I stay as far away as I can from the Castro dist. and I love me some Chik-fil-let.
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Do you dress men up as chickens? LOL!
Just kidding.
I like your Football input…serious.
Build from the inside out…Right?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
East, if you disagree, I’m always open to being re-educated. I’m listening.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
DEBO the comidian is back right on round of applause wow no instead of MATT RYAN DEBO would rather have the JALARDASS as the qb get real DEBO u make me laugh
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I was a big time Loadholt supporter when he was coming out of OK. He’s been a starter ever since and just blocked for a 2K rusher, so he must be doing alright, although honestly I haven’t really followed him at all since he came into the league. What’s the word out of Minny on him?
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Scourge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
EastOak, seems like we’d have to pay him a lot and it sounds like he’s unmotivated and an re-injury concern from what others say here. We’ve had enough of injury problems with other starters on the team. Would rather have a less of an injury risk.
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I’d give him a 1 yr deal like jfb said and thats it wouldnt invest a big money long term contract in him esp since we are trying to get our cap sit straight for 2014.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
We need a pass rusher. Bad. Real bad.
January 25th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
DEBO r the pats still replacing TOM TERRIFIC with that 308 pond whale russell
January 25th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
DEBO the comidian is back right on round of applause wow no instead of MATT RYAN DEBO would rather have the JALARDASS as the qb get real DEBO u make me laugh
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I actually hope JaMarcus makes it back to the NFL, in any capacity.
Sucks that He flamed on us, but if He can make a buck in the NFL, more power to Him.
Under motivated and overpaid is a recipe for disaster.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Phil Loadholt is a great run blocker and average pass protector like many RT in the league are, 25mill for him might be too cheap though
January 25th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
So I am to understand that debo would like to have Russell bu not Matt Ryan. Fascinating.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Debo is as deboe does.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
C’mon man, I stay as far away as I can from the Castro dist. and I love me some Chik-fil-let.
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Do you dress men up as chickens? LOL!
Just kidding.
I like your Football input…serious.
Build from the inside out…Right?
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You know black folks love some fried chicken lol, yeah thats my philosophy build your the foundation of your house then add all the pretty furniture.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Debo is as deboe does.
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Debo has an eternal flame for JaMarcus.
Crazy, but you gotta respect the loyalty.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I think one of the things that really set us back this year that no one talks about is Ice Cube’s Raiders song. What a piece of cr@p that thing was. The effort put into that song made McClain and JaMarcus look Rocky Balboaesque. Cube should probably be exiled from The Nation for that one. Terrible.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
DEBO the comidian is back right on round of applause wow no instead of MATT RYAN DEBO would rather have the JALARDASS as the qb get real DEBO u make me laugh
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I actually hope JaMarcus makes it back to the NFL, in any capacity.
Sucks that He flamed on us, but if He can make a buck in the NFL, more power to Him.
Under motivated and overpaid is a recipe for disaster.
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Unfortunately, being the #1 overall pick and signing with the Raiders was a “recipe for disaster”. Al created the blueprint for making sure your young phenom QB gets run out of town. Very disappointing.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
yes DR HE WOULD he also said the pats should replace BRADY with a 308 pound russell actually. LEN he’s 308 pounds NFL CAMPS R LAUGHING at russell right now i don’t think he will ever sniff the league again he had his window he blew it
January 25th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
You know black folks love some fried chicken lol, yeah thats my philosophy build your the foundation of your house then add all the pretty furniture.
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Me too.
Beat guys up and make them quit.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
DEBO i agree to a point with u about AL but the young man was granted a once in a lifetime opportunity and the kid flushed it down the tiolet
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
We get the next chapter of the Lakers drama here soon.
Can’t wait to see how they plan to one-up things tonight!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
DEBO the comidian is back right on round of applause wow no instead of MATT RYAN DEBO would rather have the JALARDASS as the qb get real DEBO u make me laugh
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I actually hope JaMarcus makes it back to the NFL, in any capacity.
Sucks that He flamed on us, but if He can make a buck in the NFL, more power to Him.
Under motivated and overpaid is a recipe for disaster.
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One time after a home game when Jamarcus was weighing like 300lbs and eating Skittles on the sidelines and he threw his typical inaccurate throws all game with 3 turnovers…some fans waited for his car to leave the Coliseum so they could boo him…as his Rolls Royce was leaving he was booed, Jamarcus’ homeboy who was riding shotgun rolled down the window and yelled “Keep booing, at least we eatin’ good, ya’ll some broke motherf*ckas” and Jamarcus started laughing. TRUE STORY
Screw that guy and his pathetic attempt at a comeback.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Debo–al made him a druggie lazy sleepy disinterested buffoon?
Got it.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Unfortunately, being the #1 overall pick and signing with the Raiders was a “recipe for disaster”. Al created the blueprint for making sure your young phenom QB gets run out of town. Very disappointing.
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JaMarcus made His bed, and has demonstrated to date, His desire.
You can’t put that on AL or the Raiders.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Al Davis supported jarassic when no one would. Shame on u for blaming him. Russell’s a joke.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Matt Ryan is the product of a great system and even greater supporting cast. He’s a pure pocket passer (translation: terrible athlete) without an elite pure passer skill set, like Joe Flacco. Just give the opposing team a halftime break and he’s easily solved, as evidenced by his second-half meltdowns in both playoff games. Look at Ryan, Gonzales, Jones and White and tell me who the weak link is.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
I don’t think JaMarcus gets another shot, but if I’m a GM I’d bring him into camp as my No. 4 guy and see if he could stick. Why not?
January 25th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Scourge Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
East, if you disagree, I’m always open to being re-educated. I’m listening.
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Jake is solid in run and pass protection, imo he would be a steal if we could get him on the some what cheap side(which I doubt) but I understand he had some trouble with his shoulder and that can be tricky just ask SD and how they handled the Brees situation bet they wish they could do that over.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I think one of the things that really set us back this year that no one talks about is Ice Cube’s Raiders song. What a piece of cr@p that thing was. The effort put into that song made McClain and JaMarcus look Rocky Balboaesque. Cube should probably be exiled from The Nation for that one. Terrible.
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I like some of Ice Cube’s older stuff (particularly the entire Predator album), but his Raiders song was hot garbage.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
The thing that sucks worse than the whole Jamarcus debacle is the fact that Calvin Johnson was selected next (at least we got DHB though, EUGH)…with Adrian Peterson a few picks later.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
My feelings about JaMarcus are like that of a pro fighter.
I would prefer he not end up broke and wondering what happened.
I never hated the Guy and would hope that He could salvage something from the talent He was given.
Nothing more or less.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
I felt that Ryan was overrated his first few years, but he impressed me this season. Put up big time numbers. His team had the best record in football and made it to the NFC Title game where he threw for like 375 yards and came a play or two away from the SB. I’d definitely take him over Flacco, who has been great of late but inconsistent through most of his career, including at times this year.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I heard Garcia is now working with JRuss.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
DEBO i love flacco but ryan is a better qb flacco has a much better defense when the falcons improve there defense matt ryan will easily win a super bowl or two and besides ur whole theory on supporting cast isn’t that what every team is suppose to do give there qb lots of weapons SF DID IT WITH SMITH AND NOW KAP is reaping the benifits when matt ryan was a rookie he took the falcons to the playoffs with no julio jones or tony gonzalez MATT RYAN is a stud but im not suprised u can’t figure that out
January 25th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I think one of the things that really set us back this year that no one talks about is Ice Cube’s Raiders song. What a piece of cr@p that thing was. The effort put into that song made McClain and JaMarcus look Rocky Balboaesque. Cube should probably be exiled from The Nation for that one. Terrible.
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I like some of Ice Cube’s older stuff (particularly the entire Predator album), but his Raiders song was hot garbage.
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Ice Cube is DONE as a rapper and he hasnt been good for a pretty long time now, the first Westside Connection album was his last decent album.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
EastO, i gotcha. I could live with the one-year contract at a *very* reasonable salary. We could use the OL addition but I’d still be concerned about injuries.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
both flacco and ryan r the wave of the future lol and matt ryan actually threw for 396 yards on the niners arguably the best DEFENSE in the NFL
January 25th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
I’ll talk Flacco over Ryan by a nose.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Debo- I have two words and two words only.
“U crazy”
January 25th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I heard Garcia is now working with JRuss.
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JFB had said it was nothing special per se… as the Team assembled by JaMarcus was from a company called TEST.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
EastO, I just saw JFB’s post re: Long. Makes sense. JFB posts thoughtful stuff.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
The thing that sucks worse than the whole Jamarcus debacle is the fact that Calvin Johnson was selected next (at least we got DHB though, EUGH)…with Adrian Peterson a few picks later.
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That really pisses me off when I think we could have had CJ or AP runnin around the O.co but instead its like we didnt draft anybody, still smh years later has to be the worst draft mistake of all time.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
i will take both of them lol
January 25th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Jamarcus hired a company to hold his hand through the process.
Probably the smartest move he has made in the last 5 years.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
JFB had said it was nothing special per se… as the Team assembled by JaMarcus was from a company called TEST.
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Makes you wonder what about the conversations that took place among the team members and JR were like. I saw a list of the people who JR will be working with. I’ll try to find and post it. Back soon…
January 25th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
That really pisses me off when I think we could have had CJ or AP runnin around the O.co but instead its like we didnt draft anybody, still smh years later has to be the worst draft mistake of all time.
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Hopefully, now that we have computers and everything, we can avoid the pitfalls of the past.
Seriously, we now have the beginning of a structure that can at least have a more balanced approach to the evaluation of players and how they fit into a system.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
ya and we took gallery over fitzgerald and i honestly screamed at the tv when we passed on fitz and megatron at the time i thought those were the two best college wide recievers i had seen in awhile and i was right
January 25th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Some of those guys on the list aren’t going to work with Offthemarcus much more than going into the room when he is working with some no-name, and giving him a 10 minute pep-speech.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Computers!!!!
Playoffs!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
I think Flacco and Ryan are neck and neck one has tremendous offensive talent and a leaky D and the other has a pretty solid D and less explosive weapons to work with. IMO if you you switch the two BAL still ends up in the SB and ATL still goes home.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1497343-jamarcus-russell-reportedly-planning-a-comeback-to-the-nf
Yahoo! Sports has learned that Russell’s mentor through this whole process is former NFL wide receiver Mike Clayton, who like Russell is a LSU product.
In addition, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jeff Garcia (quarterback technique training), Olympian Ato Boldon (speed training and analysis), Dr. Robert Price of Elite Minds (mental and psychological analysis), former NFL wide receiver Quinn Early (disciplinary work and focus), former New York Giants quarterback Scott Brunner (reading defenses and classroom sessions) and NFL Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk (reading defenses) will work as part of the team trying to reclaim the quarterback’s promise.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Computers!!!!
Playoffs!!!
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NO Shiiiiit! LOL
January 25th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Al Davis would have blown Peterson’s knee out long ago. Megatron would be hittin’ the pipe downtown all scabbers like.
Man, Russell got a shatty deal!
January 25th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
The thing that sucks worse than the whole Jamarcus debacle is the fact that Calvin Johnson was selected next (at least we got DHB though, EUGH)…with Adrian Peterson a few picks later.
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That really pisses me off when I think we could have had CJ or AP runnin around the O.co but instead its like we didnt draft anybody, still smh years later has to be the worst draft mistake of all time.
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Not to mention that we could have also had Patrick Willis also in that draft…. instead all we did was pay $39,000,0000 to Jamarcus
January 25th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Crazy that his “mentor” is Michael Clayton, who had an infamous “check is in the bank” comment that headlined the end of his career.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Not to mention that we could have also had Patrick Willis also in that draft…. instead all we did was pay $39,000,0000 to Jamarcus
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Al took a shot on the Big armed QB.
To bad it didn’t work out.
It happens, and when it does, you feel the consequence.
That’s all history.
Time to move on.
Let’s hope this group makes more prudent decisions and builds a Team that is Fun to talk about.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Man, I’m late. Did I miss anything?
January 25th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Crazy that his “mentor” is Michael Clayton, who had an infamous “check is in the bank” comment that headlined the end of his career.
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Bad Omen for sure.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Not to mention that we could have also had Patrick Willis also in that draft…. instead all we did was pay $39,000,0000 to Jamarcus
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Al took a shot on the Big armed QB.
To bad it didn’t work out.
It happens, and when it does, you feel the consequence.
That’s all history.
Time to move on.
Let’s hope this group makes more prudent decisions and builds a Team that is Fun to talk about.
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Al was trying to make up for the fact that he got burned in the John Elway trade. He mentioned that Russel’s arm reminded him of Elway and he wasnt gonna let an arm like that get away again.
Not only fun to talk about…but fun to watch also…here’s to the future!
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Let’s hope this group makes more prudent decisions and builds a Team that is Fun to talk about.
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Get a defensive play-maker in the first round, the Honey Badger later, keep Seabass happy with the Greatness of Condo, and we will be built around defense and special teams.
I’ve seen worse.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
“Get a defensive play-maker in the first round”
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Yes. Amen.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Al was trying to make up for the fact that he got burned in the John Elway trade. He mentioned that Russel’s arm reminded him of Elway and he wasnt gonna let an arm like that get away again.
Not only fun to talk about…but fun to watch also…here’s to the future
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I believe that’s true, and CHEERS!
January 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Wait, I thought Knapp was the root of all problems. Now he’s getting credit for making Palmer play above his own ceiling in ball protection skills? Despite having him throw 50+ times a game?
You can’t have it both ways.
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Attn: Zymurge
Did I ever blame Palmer’s struggles on Knapp?
No. you must be confusing me with somebody else
by the way, Palmer averaged 37 throws per game … not 50+
he ranked 8th in pass attempts per game. just FYI
January 25th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Call me crazy, but if we trade down into the teens in the first round, I am looking hard at Te’O still.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
“Get a defensive play-maker in the first round”
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Yes. Amen.
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There is no sure fire defensive playmaker in this draft, Clowney come out next season and he would be the #1 pick so we wouldnt be getting him either.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Let’s hope this group makes more prudent decisions and builds a Team that is Fun to talk about.
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Get a defensive play-maker in the first round, the Honey Badger later, keep Seabass happy with the Greatness of Condo, and we will be built around defense and special teams.
I’ve seen worse.
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It works for Me.
The key is to maximize what we have, and add the most effective components that add to the mix via draft and FA.
I’m always optimistic and think that we can spin gold from straw, but I’d prefer the straw be of a better quality.
Impact players and better overall depth are needed.
January 25th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
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SKIP
January 25th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
lol hahaha, no body is hating on anybody m1st1c take a chill pill n go to sleep man, quit making a big deal out of this, the only thing ur doing is your making fans of other black qbs hate them , like hella people in here like griffin and kaep and wilson, but since your agenda is more important, they are hating on those qbs in return
January 25th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
There is no sure fire defensive playmaker in this draft, Clowney come out next season and he would be the #1 pick so we wouldnt be getting him either.
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Agree, find a trade partner and move down.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Big Chance from ALA should be the pick…..Period(shot out to priesttj lol)
January 25th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
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You’ll never sell that book.
You now even suck as a troll.
Power to the People.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
I think Star could demand enough double teams to free up some playmakers, like Houston, and give the DC some options.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
I think Star could demand enough double teams to free up some playmakers, like Houston, and give the DC some options.
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In my unprofessional opinion, I like Star.
If the Raiders can resign Carter I think it helps.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Star is an interesting prospect. Has the size and talent to be potentially the best player in the draft.
But not a lot of super-great film on him. His teams mostly stunk, D wasn’t great, and they didn’t play top-flight competition. Good not great.
Got a bad feeling with him.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Star is an interesting prospect. Has the size and talent to be potentially the best player in the draft.
But not a lot of super-great film on him. His teams mostly stunk, D wasn’t great, and they didn’t play top-flight competition. Good not great.
Got a bad feeling with him.
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And therein lies the rub. Unless you (as a GM) are convinced that you have a difference maker, why not trade down.
If we are picking in the top 3 that guy HAS to be an impact player.
This draft will be telling in as much as Reggie has a High 1st round pick to work with.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
just cuz u put mustard n relish on it dont mean its a hot dog. Wha?
January 25th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Crambowa Parbolumba Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
just cuz u put mustard n relish on it dont mean its a hot dog. Wha?
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What post lacked substance?
Otherwise you’re random, and crazy. lol
January 25th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Can Oakland find a way to bring Richard Seymour back in 2013?
Cary Emondson-USA TODAY Sports
When the Oakland Raiders hired GM Reggie McKenzie last year, he knew that it would take years to work his way through the mess that he walked into.
The Raiders are already over the cap for the 2013 season, so McKenzie will probably have to either release some more veterans or not be able to re-sign some key players that the team would probably like to keep. One such example is nose tackle Richard Seymour.
Team Needs – The Raiders were No. 28 in points allowed in 2012. They ranked No. 31 in sacks and were No. 30 in forced fumbles. Improving the defense on all three levels is part of the challenge.
Salary cap space left to work with: The Raiders are $4.5 million over the cap, which is an improvement from where they were last year at this time. However, it doesn’t make life any easier for the front office.
Free Agents to Target: If the Raiders could figure out a way to sign Seymour, they would love to have him clogging up the line of scrimmage. The likelihood is that he will be playing elsewhere in 2013.
The Raiders could go after Terrance Knighton (JAX) as a potential cheaper replacement for Seymour.
Oakland has another free agent in tight end Brandon Myers. If they can’t sign Myers, the Raiders could target Dustin Keller (NYJ) or Jared Cook (TEN).
B/R.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
I’ve unhitched my wagon from Dick Seymour.
He’s a part of the past and has nothing to offer.
On the field or off.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
SUP GOOBS AND SPLOOGERS
Just got off Beeech Diggity Dawgs Raggae Rasta Party Night Cruz in MDR. Thought you brah goobs would like to know the food was hella wac.
I can tell yawl that the Beeech Dawg throws a mean partay. Hella shorties goin balls out, if yawl get the drift. The Dawg has some juice.
Even has a spot to hang your rump over the side a drop a deuce right in the bay. Now that’s recycling. Shout out to all the jizz jocks and splooge masters.
C YA. WOULDN’T WANNA B YA
January 25th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
2013 NFL Mock Draft: What Are the Experts Projecting in the First Round?
BY JON DOVE (FEATURED COLUMNIST) ON JANUARY 25, 2013 80,992 reads 66
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1. Kansas City Chiefs
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Mel Kiper Jr.: Luke Joeckel, Offensive Tackle, Texas A&M
Rob Rang: Luke Joeckel, Offensive Tackle, Texas A&M
Matt Miller: Luke Joeckel, Offensive Tackle, Texas A&M
Walter Football: Geno Smith, Quarterback, West Virginia
Drafttek: Geno Smith, Quarterback, West Virginia
My Mock: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Line, Utah
January 25th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
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2. Jacksonville Jaguars
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Mel Kiper Jr.: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Rob Rang: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah
Matt Miller: Bjoern Werner, Defensive End, Florida State
Walter Football: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah
Drafttek: Bjoern Werner, Defensive End, Florida State
My Mock: Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia
Analysis: The overwhelming theme for the Jacksonville Jaguars focuses on upgrading the team’s ability to rush the passer. They finished the 2012 season dead last in the NFL, only registering 20 sacks. Addressing this problem with the No. 2 overall pick makes a ton of sense.
This year’s draft features several prospects capable of immediately improving a team’s pass rush. The group includes Georgia’s Jarvis Jones, Texas A&M’s Damontre Moore and Florida State’s Bjoern Werner.
It’ll be important for new general manager David Caldwell to make the right pick. He won’t last long if he botches his first pick with the team.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
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3. Oakland Raiders
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Mel Kiper Jr.: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah
Rob Rang: Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia
Matt Miller: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Walter Football: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Drafttek: Dee Milliner, Cornerback, Alabama
My Mock: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Analysis: The Oakland Raiders need to use this pick to bring in a difference-maker. All the above selections feature players capable of making an immediate impact, and all come on the defensive side of the ball.
Texas A&M’s Damontre Moore or Utah’s Star Lotulelei would give the Raiders defense someone capable of making game-changing plays. For a team going through a rebuilding process, either would be a perfect player to build around.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
http://www.kohlsnews.com/news/video-nfl-punter-marquette-king-crushing-punts
We got us a “wave of the future” Punter biatches
January 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Crambowa Parbolumba Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
just cuz u put mustard n relish on it dont mean its a hot dog. Wha?
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What post lacked substance?
Otherwise you’re random, and crazy. lol
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Just cuz it itches don’t mean it come from a toilet seat.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
2013 NFL Draft: Late-Round Prospects Who Will Surprise in the Pros
BY AIDAN REYNOLDS (FEATURED COLUMNIST) ON JANUARY 10,
The performance of Alfred Morris in 2012 showed once again that there is plenty of talent to be found in the lower rounds of the NFL draft.
This year is no exception.
It may not be a class with the same caliber of quarterback we saw emerge this year, but it is stacked with players who can make a difference to NFL teams next year.
Below are three examples of players who could represent huge value for teams willing to take a chance on them.
Marcus Davis, WR, Virginia Tech
Logan Thomas really hurt his draft stock this year, but that had nothing to do with Davis. If it wasn’t for Davis, Thomas would have actually looked even worse, with the receiver hauling in passes that were both underthrown and overthrown, ensuring that the drive continued.
With many teams in the market for a quarterback, a receiver with the ability to catch most things thrown at him—regardless of quality—is a huge asset.
Arizona, Jacksonville and the New York Jets all currently have quarterbacks with accuracy issues. Even it they draft a replacement this year, there’s no sure thing in this quarterback class.
Davis doesn’t have blinding speed, an unerring ability to get open or standout route-running. However, he has the hands to make a crucial catch on third down and keep the play alive.
Over the course of a season, this can prove to be an incredibly important skill.
Marquise Goodwin has the potential to change a game.
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Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
When a receiver has run a 4.34 in the 40-yard dash, his big-play capabilities are obvious.
The problem that Goodwin has is that he’s 5’9” and 180 pounds, which will automatically call into question his ability to succeed on an NFL team.
The Washington Redskins/Brandon Banks debacle has proved that speed doesn’t automatically bring success, but Goodwin has the ability to change that.
Goodwin’s 36-yard reception in the final three minutes of the Alamo Bowl was enough to win the game for Texas, but his NFL responsibilities will lie as a slot receiver and return man.
If he can make the first defender miss, Goodwin will take one to the house very quickly. This potential to change a game is of value to any team, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see a team like New Orleans pull the trigger on him.
Who will be the most influential late-round draft pick?
Marcus Davis
Marquise Goodwin
Montori Hughes
Other (please comment)
Submit Vote vote to see results
Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin
The very definition of a risk vs. reward pick, Hughes was dismissed from the Volunteers’ program and has a past that will bring up all types of flags for NFL teams regarding character and all-round effort.
However, he has been impressive for Tennessee-Martin, and at 6’4” and 327 pounds, he has the size and power to make teams call his name on draft day.
At nose tackle, Hughes could make a real impact for teams looking to shore up the inside of their defensive line. At Tennessee-Martin he showed the ability to take on double teams and still emerge the victor, which will serve him well in the NFL.
If he can convince coaches that his days of minimal effort are behind him, that is.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Dee Millner @ 3
OLB in rd 3.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Just cuz it itches don’t mean it come from a toilet seat.
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Brilliant.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Dee Millner @ 3
OLB in rd 3.
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Hey J Hill,
No.
Having said that, hope everything is good on your end. lol
January 25th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
wow Misdick is off his meds what a fcking psycho path eat schit misdick u r a crazy fcking nutcase fck off A hole
January 25th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Just cuz it grows in the dark doesn’t mean it’s a mushroom.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
46 super bowls 45 won by a white QB misdick fck off rodgers brady manning not going antwhere glennon barkley nassib murray manziel bray mccarron flacco ryan stafford luck white qb anit going nowhere u crazy little nazi
January 25th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
46 super bowls 45 won by a white QB misdick fck off rodgers brady manning not going antwhere glennon barkley nassib murray manziel bray mccarron flacco ryan stafford luck white qb anit going nowhere u crazy little nazi
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And why would you post this?
Stirring the pot?
Winners come in all kinds of packages.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Just cuz its tight dont mean it can sing. Just sayin.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
J Hill Millner will not help right away may not help ever he is no shut down corner in the NFL imo, We need guys who will make an impact the first day of mini camp and that is a guy like Chance Warmack or DMoore we gotta get these lines in order or we will never be better than 8-8.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Trade down:
1- NT J Hankins (The OSU)
2- CB: X Rhodes, D Amerson, D Trufant, or J Poyer
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
3- DE D Jones (UCLA)
4- OLB Jamie Collins (S. Miss) played DB his freshman year, and has 40 TFL and 17 sacks the last 2 years.
4(comp)- ILB Andrew Jackson (WK), Reddick (NC), or Nico Johnson (Alabama)
Use the rest of the picks on TE and depth, and focus on offense in FA (RT and WR).
PERFECT!
January 25th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
raiderlen im not being serious man i just like giving mystic a taste of his own medicine sometimes. Thats all i just playing tho man not serious at all
January 25th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
I’m good, Len.
Thanks.
Just factoring in what Allen said on the last thread about where the team needs to get better.
Plus him and the GM being defensive guys, I figure it will be a defensive pick. Who else will “let them play defense the way they want to”?
Corner seems to be that answer.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
46 super bowls 45 won by a white QB misdick fck off rodgers brady manning not going antwhere glennon barkley nassib murray manziel bray mccarron flacco ryan stafford luck white qb anit going nowhere u crazy little nazi
$$$$$$$$$$$$
No Latinos? lol
Plunkett was white? Who knew?
January 25th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
46 super bowls 45 won by a white QB misdick fck off rodgers brady manning not going antwhere glennon barkley nassib murray manziel bray mccarron flacco ryan stafford luck white qb anit going nowhere u crazy little nazi
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And why would you post this?
Stirring the pot?
Winners come in all kinds of packages.
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Mystic is really in these guys heads, I would bet the house they couldnt go 1 day without mentioning his name. The part that is really funny is how they say there gonna ignore him only to be at it again a few minutes later.
January 25th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Millner isn’t good?
He’s a projected top 5 pick at corner, man.
How is he no good?
I haven’t seen him play.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
guys it was a joke thats all not being serious relax
January 25th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Millner isn’t good?
He’s a projected top 5 pick at corner, man.
How is he no good?
I haven’t seen him play.
$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m done with Milliner too. We can get a good CB who can start day one in the 2nd round like Rhodes, Amerson, Trufant, or Poyer.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
guys it was a joke thats all not being serious relax
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Dude. Are you dr_rob? Or did u take a page outta his repertoire?
January 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Realtruraider
In that video of Marquette King… King hit the weight room hard. He’s noticeably bigger than he was during his college/NFL preseason days.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
raiderlen im not being serious man i just like giving mystic a taste of his own medicine sometimes. Thats all i just playing tho man not serious at all
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Ignore the rhetoric.
Raiders in the Super Bowl is what I think most of us in here are after.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
How will adding a rookie corner help? He’s not even a top flight prospect imo like Cwood was, to go in the top 5 as a DB you better be pretty dam good and imo Millner is not that good, dont forget those front 7 D’s he was playing with. We need instant impact from day 1, Warmack, Moore, AND Star are the only guys I see making that impact. You can throw Mingo in the mix too.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Eastoaklandraider
Agreed. There are no Charles Woodson-types in this draft.
C-Wood was a once-in-a-lifetime prospect coming out and could have legitimately gone No. 1.
Like to see McKenzie and the Raiders nab a lineman — offense or defense — with the No. 3 overall pick.
A corner I can see being drafted is Washington Universities’ Trufant. Raiders coaching staff are seeing him up close at Senior Bowl practices.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Man I’m walking and boggin here on my phone and I just stepped in a pile of dog crap. I’m wearing waffle boots. Why people can’t pick up their dogs poo off the sidewalk is beyond belief. WTF. U know how hard it is to clean smelly ass dog crap out of waffled boots? No easy task. Schiit.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
So Seymour is a ‘nose tackle’?
January 25th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
I’m good, Len.
Thanks.
Just factoring in what Allen said on the last thread about where the team needs to get better.
Plus him and the GM being defensive guys, I figure it will be a defensive pick. Who else will “let them play defense the way they want to”?
Corner seems to be that answer.
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I hear you.
I loved your reference about the “reading between the lines” decoder ring.
Only those that have been around a while could truly appreciate it’s humor.
I agree with most of your takes and thanks for your solid observations.
Your input makes me rethink some of what I think, and if you really knew Me, that ain’t easy. lol
January 25th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Millner is a nice solid physical corner who tackles well but to draft him that high and expect him to one day lock down a Calvin Johnson or a Julio Jones I just dont see it and thats the type of DB you have to get when you draft him that high. When we drafted CWood I thought he would be that type of DB and for the most part he didnt disappoint, Millner is no Cwood or Revis or Nnamdi for that matter.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Man there is a ton of DLINE talent. .and its deep.
Reggie is trying hard to get his 2nd round pick back. Even said yesterday in an interview its to bad he doesnt have one.. but will work .
He wants it back. Lets say we had our high 2nd round pick this year.. he could trade back 8 spots and pick up another 3rd rounder.
Every year there is teams wanting to trade b4 the next round starts. Teams get another day to go take a look at their draft boards b4 2nd round starts the next day.
and if we had our 1st last year.. probaly would have fnished top 10.
Could have picked Luke Kechley or Morris Claiborne.. guys that would be here for at least 5yrs or 8 if u wanna re up em.
thast the past now. Reggie Lets work!
January 25th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Mystic is really in these guys heads, I would bet the house they couldnt go 1 day without mentioning his name. The part that is really funny is how they say there gonna ignore him only to be at it again a few minutes later.-
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Small Dick, Short Man syndrome.
People that are obsessed with being “right” at the expense of all else are prisoners of their own Hubris.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
“There’s something in the water at UCLA, and the general thought is that it must be Jim Mora Kool-Aid.
Between Johnathan Franklin and Datone Jones, that program is producing not only an incredible breed of athlete, but a very incredible breed of human being.
Franklin was clearly the best running back in Senior Bowl practices. He shined running inside and off tackle. He never went down on first contact and was obviously the most well-rounded runner on either squad. Franklin is a natural pass-blocker with an innate understanding of responsibility and pressure.
Franklin “scored” on every play. After being tackled, he would pop back up and sprint (sometimes up to 60 yards) to the end zone. Jerry Rice used to do the same thing at every practice, and it translates to real touchdowns.
We’ll be seeing those “real” touchdowns at the NFL level out of Franklin soon enough.”
per roster watch twitter
January 25th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Top players per roster watch
1. Dantone Jones.. pass rusher
2. Fisher OT
3. Trufant – Corner
January 25th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Bob Sander’s Packer D was ranked 12th in 2006 and 11th in 2007. In 2008 it was ranked 20th, which probably led to his firing at the end of that yr.
His worst yr. was equal to DA’s best (and only) in Denver.
This is far from a no name staff.
Interesting that the least experienced are DA and Tarver.
You’d think Sanders and Sparano would make a decent OC/DC combo.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Revis and Nnamdi were not top 5 picks. Sir Charles was a Stud and a top 5 pick.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Man, this wait is making me mad
January 25th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Wow.
So Millner sucks?
Not even a Joe Haden type?
Well that’s disappointing.
Who the eff is DA talking about then? I would think adding corners that would allow him to get outta zone, and free up more blitz packages.
Maybe he’s talking about a FS???
Trade down, pick up Gio’s replacement?
January 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Wow.
So Millner sucks?
Not even a Joe Haden type?
Well that’s disappointing.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t think he Sucks. I just don’t think he is a top 5 pick.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Someone posted an article about the trend being “Best Player Available” and being sure Reggie would go that route.
No one wants to be the team who picks Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan cuz they have a need for a center.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
DA is and DE/ OLB D Moore are from Texas A&M.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Only those that have been around a while could truly appreciate it’s humor.
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You know it’s funny man. I really only talk to and read the “old crowd”.
Some of the newer cats are super cool. But seems like the pre registration cats all still interact pretty good.
And I include Priest and Kell in my old crowd, lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
No one wants to be the team who picks Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan cuz they have a need for a center.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Or the team that picks R Gallery over Larry Fitz, S Taylor, Big Ben, V Wilfork, etc…
January 25th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RaiderLen, good to see good people speaking out.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
January 25th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Wow.
So Millner sucks?
Not even a Joe Haden type?
Well that’s disappointing.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t think he Sucks. I just don’t think he is a top 5 pick.
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What up O?
Love your draft mania…lol
I haven’t seen a mock as of now that has Milliner going top 10.
However I was on the Mack bandwagon regardless of position.
Bottom line is our #3 has to be an anchor or impact player.
I don’t know if Milliner is that type of player.
I expect Reggie will trade down and get that 2nd, and draft BPA.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Someone posted an article about the trend being “Best Player Available” and being sure Reggie would go that route.
No one wants to be the team who picks Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan cuz they have a need for a center.
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i did last night. was good article.
Best player always.. Reggie gon do that or get his 2nd back somehow
January 25th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Raider O Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
No one wants to be the team who picks Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan cuz they have a need for a center.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Or the team that picks R Gallery over Larry Fitz, S Taylor, Big Ben, V Wilfork, etc…
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You had to bring up Gallery…lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Millner is a nice solid physical corner who tackles well but to draft him that high and expect him to one day lock down a Calvin Johnson or a Julio Jones I just dont see it and thats the type of DB you have to get when you draft him that high.
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Well if Joeckel and Miller are gone, we may not get a HOF prospect.
You know I’d prefer to draft a OG or OT.
I like Werner and Mingo thes most as DEs/OLBs. Just looked super athletic and dominant in their bowl games.
Wouldn’t be surprised if we draft a secondary player is all I’m saying.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
1 1 Eli Manning Chargers QB Mississippi
2 2 Robert Gallery Raiders T Iowa
3 3 Larry Fitzgerald Cardinals WR Pittsburgh
4 4 Philip Rivers Giants QB North Carolina State
5 5 Sean Taylor Redskins DB Miami (FL)
6 6 Kellen Winslow Jr Browns TE Miami (FL)
7 7 Roy Williams Lions WR Texas
8 8 DeAngelo Hall Falcons DB Virginia Tech
9 9 Reggie Williams Jaguars WR Washington
10 10 Dunta Robinson Texans DB South Carolina
11 11 Ben Roethlisberger Steelers QB Miami (OH)
12 12 Jonathan Vilma Jets LB Miami (FL)
13 13 Lee Evans Bills WR Wisconsin
14 14 Tommie Harris Bears DT Oklahoma
15 15 Michael Clayton Buccaneers WR Louisiana State
16 16 Shawn Andrews Eagles T Arkansas
17 17 D.J. Williams Broncos LB Miami (FL)
18 18 Will Smith Saints DE Ohio State
19 19 Vernon Carey Dolphins G Miami (FL)
20 20 Kenechi Udeze Vikings DE USC
21 21 Vince Wilfork Patriots DT Miami (FL)
22 22 J.P. Losman Bills QB Tulane
23 23 Marcus Tubbs Seahawks DT Texas
24 24 Steven Jackson Rams RB Oregon State
25 25 Ahmad Carroll Packers DB Arkansas
26 26 Chris Perry Bengals RB Michigan
27 27 Jason Babin Texans DE Western Michigan
28 28 Chris Gamble Panthers DB Ohio State
29 29 Michael Jenkins Falcons WR Ohio State
30 30 Kevin Jones Lions RB Virginia Tech
31 31 Rashaun Woods 49ers WR Oklahoma State
32 32 Ben Watson Patriots TE Georgia
January 25th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Someone posted an article about the trend being “Best Player Available” and being sure Reggie would go that route.
No one wants to be the team who picks Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan cuz they have a need for a center.
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i did last night. was good article.
Best player always.. Reggie gon do that or get his 2nd back somehow
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Yes. Thanks.BTW, kudos to you for bringing us the Reggie interview and all the other stuff last night.
It was appreciated.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Just had dinner with Reggie and Mark at a IHOP in a undisclosed location. Believe it or not, Mark ate more pancakes than Reggie. I know that doesn’t sound right but I wouldn’t have believed if I hadn’t seen. All we talked about was pancakes. No Raider talk at all. Did you know there are over 4 thousand types of pancakes and thousands of syrups and condiments. Mark told me he has traveled all over North America eating at various flap jack houses and IHOPs. Dude is a pancake extraordinaire.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
no im not dr rob CRAMBOWA but i guess that was a page out of his book my bad
January 25th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Im telling u guys whoever gets Alec Olgetree is gonna get a straight stud.
Sideline to sideline type player and great in coverage
January 25th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
eastoak im a bama fan milliner is really dam good but nobody will ever lock down CALVIN JOHNSON just ain’t gonna happen unless it’s revis no corner can hang with MEGATRON
January 25th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
We did it again in 2007.
We drafted JaBustus and passed on WR C Johnson and RB A Peterson (two future HOFers), but I tolerate this pick more because JaBustus was/ is talented and he ordered Fish during the interview.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I haven’t seen a mock as of now that has Milliner going top 10.
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Really???
I saw one that had him going 4 to Philly. And I haven’t seen many.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
i seen millner going to the LIONS at 5
January 25th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Im telling u guys whoever gets Alec Olgetree is gonna get a straight stud.
Sideline to sideline type player and great in coverage
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I agree. I think he is 1st round prospect, but I don’t think he a top 5 pick.
You want your top 5 pick to be a franchise QB, LT, or a game changer/ impact player.
Ngata and Wilfork were not top 10 picks.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
i seen millner going to the LIONS at 5
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Yup would happen, they need CB help really bad
January 25th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
According to all the sites I visited, Milliner is a top 10 pick.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
J Hill Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I haven’t seen a mock as of now that has Milliner going top 10.
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Really???
I saw one that had him going 4 to Philly. And I haven’t seen many.
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My references are NOT impeccable. But Thru posts of mock drafts I haven’t come across one that had Him that high.
After the combine I think things will firm up.
I wouldn’t be opposed to Nnamdi coming back on the cheap.
Philly is in redo mode. He could be out de facto.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
i also see him going number 5 but in my opinion that’s to early for him
January 25th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
I like Nnamdi. We can use him as CB or FS.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Reggie just waiting to bring back Charles woodson to the Raiders watch lol.
1st packers gotta cut him.
aaron rodgers is crying already to keep him
January 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Just went to Walter Football, they have Milliner at #10 to Tennessee.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
After the combine I really feel like DION JORDAN will be a top 10 pick.. maybe even TOP 5. Not even kidding.
January 25th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
2013 Oakland Raiders Off-Season per GM/Scout DAV:
Free Agency Long Shots:
LT – Jake Long
WR – Brian Hartline
DE/OLB – Anthony Spencer
Free Agent Targets:
RB/FB – Lex Hilliard
RB – LaGarrette Blount
WR – Jordan Shipley [RFA]
WR – Dezmon Briscoe
TE – Anthony Fasano
OG – Brandon Moore
OT – Jeremy Trueblood
G/T – Eben Britton
DT/NT – Randy Starks
NT/DE – Ricky Jean-Francois
DT – Justin Bannan
ILB – Brad Jones
ILB – Tim Dobbins
LB – Kirk Morrison
OLB/S – Bryan Scott
OLB – Sergio Kindle
OLB – Manny Lawson
CB – Mike Jenkins
CB – Leodis McKelvin
FS – James Sanders
SS – Yeremiah Bell
Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Michael Mauti [OLB, Penn St]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio St]
Draft w/Trade:
1- Barrett Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Datone Jones [DE, UCLA]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Michael Mauti [OLB, Penn St]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Quanterus Smith [DE/OLB, W.Kenucky]
January 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Solid draft day WITH TRADE.. if that were to happen.
Although Somehow raiders need to land TRUFANT, POYVER, oR MATHIEU at corner.
I really really hope they can land 1 out of these 3
January 25th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Reggie just waiting to bring back Charles woodson to the Raiders watch lol.
1st packers gotta cut him.
aaron rodgers is crying already to keep him
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Crap, C Wood was my guy in the
Day.
Best player on the Team, but He ain’t coming back.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Heck, Len.
Ever since Tommy Trojan left, we’re all flying in the wind, lol.
I thought Millner was good based on mocks. Haven’t seen him play a down
January 25th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Reggie said something really interesting in yesterdays interview I posted.
He said we gotta get back to playing exciting football.. football/ players where fans will want to buy tickets lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Good work, Deuce.
Make it happen, bruh!
January 25th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Anybody know what time the Senior Bowl is on tomorrow?
I wanna see our fine coaching staff stalking the sidelines.
Go North!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
1 in the afternoon game starts.. 4 pm et
January 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
i meant
1 pm PT .. 4 pm ET
January 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
jhill, what did you think of the Lakers tonight?
If Kobe plays the facilitator role like that this team can get back into the mix.
But I am sure he will be back to chasing Kareem in the next game.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
It’s fun speculating but the draft boards are gonna change hundreds of times over by the time April comes around.
BPA is the way.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
i meant
1 pm PT .. 4 pm ET
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Thx.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
ALL HAIL BPA!
January 25th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
With playing time He will GET BETTER, not worse.
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Actually, most players that do not immediately klick and play well, do NOT get better over time as the league figures them out. They get worse. If that weren’t true, Ryan Leaf, David Carr and Jamarcus Russell would be Pro bowlers by now
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This is just how Delusional this guy is. Very few players click righ away. Damn near every QB in NFL history has gotten better the more reps and experience they get. Yet he choses to hate Pryor to the point he conjures up something as insane as this.
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Are you an IMBECILE OR WHAT? There are 1000 Q’s. For each one that actually makes it the other 990 don’t. You know why? Because they have to come in, excel, complete more than 40% of their passes and do what is necessary. That’s why.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
It was Utah, Dakota.
You know, like you tell me it was just KC we beat up on.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Let’s see if we can keep Durant under 45 next game, lol.
January 25th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Just bring on a pass rusher.
January 25th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
KC might be the key to our ability to trade down.If they don’t take Smith,Ariz or Buffalo might want to trade up to get him since it is possible Philly will take a QB that better fits what Kelly might want to do-namely Smith.Reid might be willing to go with Cassell and pick a QB in rd 2 or 3.
January 25th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Someone really dropped the ball on the coaching staff! Please fire Spuds and Allen. Talk of trading TP is totally uncalled for. If anything ship Crybaby back to Cincy and demand our picks back!! Tony Sprano just got his walking papers from the Jets and who’s the genius to hire him! Oh, yeah Spuds! What do you think of the disasters in the front office? Another losing is happening again!
January 25th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
What are you talking about DCraiderfan, nobody is talking about trading cp, if i recall right, there are some radio stations saying we’re going to trade Cp3, TOny Sprano was a freakin OC with Jets, n he was forced to do make Burrito with papers instead of tortillas, so he wasn’t going to do sh1t there, n he’s not asked to become our OC , we hired him for OL job, he was a damn good OL coach every where he went, Our LB coach, has been a DC before, and coached all over the D, and has a lot of experience, so that’s a freaking Upgrade too, Special teams coach has a lot of experience as well, n from what i heard from fans, he has had his special teams rank high most of the years, only unknown is Olson, but he’s bringing back PBS, a scheme that everyone wanted back, what is ur problem now?
January 25th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
about trading TP
January 25th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
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3. Oakland Raiders
Sarah Glenn/Getty Images
Mel Kiper Jr.: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah
Rob Rang: Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia
Matt Miller: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Walter Football: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Drafttek: Dee Milliner, Cornerback, Alabama
My Mock: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Analysis: The Oakland Raiders need to use this pick to bring in a difference-maker. All the above selections feature players capable of making an immediate impact, and all come on the defensive side of the ball.
Texas A&M’s Damontre Moore or Utah’s Star Lotulelei would give the Raiders defense someone capable of making game-changing plays. For a team going through a rebuilding process, either would be a perfect player to build around.
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How many playoff games has Suh brought Detroit?
Draft o-line, or trade down and keep trading down, Reggie.
Those are the two choices…
January 25th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Gdog Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Previous 4 of 34 Next
3. Oakland Raiders
Sarah Glenn/Getty Images
Mel Kiper Jr.: Star Lotulelei, Defensive Tackle, Utah
Rob Rang: Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia
Matt Miller: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Walter Football: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Drafttek: Dee Milliner, Cornerback, Alabama
My Mock: Damontre Moore, Defensive End, Texas A&M
Analysis: The Oakland Raiders need to use this pick to bring in a difference-maker. All the above selections feature players capable of making an immediate impact, and all come on the defensive side of the ball.
Texas A&M’s Damontre Moore or Utah’s Star Lotulelei would give the Raiders defense someone capable of making game-changing plays. For a team going through a rebuilding process, either would be a perfect player to build around.
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How many playoff games has Suh brought Detroit?
Draft o-line, or trade down and keep trading down, Reggie.
Those are the two choices…
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Star is more of the Wilfork Ngata type!!!
January 25th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Good night, all
January 25th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Star is more of the Wilfork Ngata type!!!
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If true a no brainer.
But defensive picks are statistical 50/50 busts across the board.
O-line not even close… we cannot screw this up!
Draft o-line or trade down!
January 25th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
We did go Oline last year so I could see not using our 1st pick there although I’d love to see a trade down and then grab Warmack,but he isn’t listed on many mocks as going that high(top 15).personally,I’d like to see a DE/OLB that could put his hand on the ground in the 4-3 and play OLB if we go 3-4.
January 25th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Trading down is probably what most would like-including Reggie-but you need a partner.
January 25th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Man, I’m late. Did I miss anything?
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there was a discussion as to which qb is the better option for the raiders going forward.
some of us feel palmer is the guy, given his production.
and some idiots feel otherwise.
January 25th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Gdog Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Star is more of the Wilfork Ngata type!!!
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If true a no brainer.
But defensive picks are statistical 50/50 busts across the board.
O-line not even close… we cannot screw this up!
Draft o-line or trade down!
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I say we have to find a trade partner to get back in that 2nd round
1st Pass rusher
2nd O-line
3rd NT guy out of Georgia
4th O-line
6th DB Honey Badger
7th LB
7th ???
January 25th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
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aaaaahhhhhh, shut up! (bugs bunny)
January 26th, 2013 at 12:00 am
didn’t missdick say he didn’t care about skin color? the above post seems kinda concerned about it.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:01 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Man, I’m late. Did I miss anything?
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there was a discussion as to which qb is the better option for the raiders going forward.
some of us feel palmer is the guy, given his production.
and some idiots feel otherwise.
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Dammit i don’t care if Kermit Da Frog is under center…I just want my QB to win some dam football games!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 am
funny how missdick signed odd “kirk out” the other day.
and the poster “kirk” always appears and agrees with missdick.
and today missdick said it was a coincidence and that star trek is a popular show.
does missdick strike u as a trekkie? a fan of the white show. he said he didn’t like anything that came from “hollyweird”.
EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:01 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Man, I’m late. Did I miss anything?
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there was a discussion as to which qb is the better option for the raiders going forward.
some of us feel palmer is the guy, given his production.
and some idiots feel otherwise.
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Dammit i don’t care if Kermit Da Frog is under center…I just want my QB to win some dam football games!!!
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ur green? what race are u?
January 26th, 2013 at 12:07 am
NASCAR
January 26th, 2013 at 12:10 am
i will not have a frog replace my Golden Haired Hero. greenies can hop but they lack the mental capacity to play qb.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:10 am
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_Qogq3ys5M8M/S9hx3HqJzcI/AAAAAAAAEy8/qjUZsGL7n3g/cat11.jpg
↑↑↑ Pic of the new WR coach.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:16 am
ur green? what race are u?
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You seem to be an Indy guy,right Dr Rob???
January 26th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 am
funny how missdick signed odd “kirk out” the other day.
and the poster “kirk” always appears and agrees with missdick.
and today missdick said it was a coincidence and that star trek is a popular show.
does missdick strike u as a trekkie? a fan of the white show. he said he didn’t like anything that came from “hollyweird”.
EXPOSED!
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Speaking for myself, (and most others) Nobody cares.
You and mistic need to throw down and get it over with.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:25 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:16 am
ur green? what race are u?
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You seem to be an Indy guy,right Dr Rob???
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born and raised in indiana, so u know that’s right.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:26 am
RaiderLen Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 am
funny how missdick signed odd “kirk out” the other day.
and the poster “kirk” always appears and agrees with missdick.
and today missdick said it was a coincidence and that star trek is a popular show.
does missdick strike u as a trekkie? a fan of the white show. he said he didn’t like anything that came from “hollyweird”.
EXPOSED!
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Speaking for myself, (and most others) Nobody cares.
You and mistic need to throw down and get it over with.
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oh u care. u pretend u don’t. but u do. u do.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Did Mistic melt down today?
That post at #708 seemed pretty savage.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:29 am
oh u care. u pretend u don’t. but u do. u do.
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Ok Tony Robins.
Not really.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:30 am
M1stic is what it is , and i don’t need to tell people for them to find out , everybody knows his style and stuff, he’s fan of pryor, he hates Palmer, he wants pryor to start, he wants every black qb succeed in nfl, just let him talk about it, no freaking need to put common sense in him , or try to prove urself right or him wrong, it’s all pointless, the guy is set in his own way, nothing will change that, why waste time, plus i doubt he’s a Raiders fans
January 26th, 2013 at 12:30 am
Puppet show in progress.
Interesting.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:33 am
OK that guy is who he is, he’s not going to change, why waste time arguing with him, and can we talk about Raiders, n not about Palmer or Pryor, there are 52 more players on this team, if some one trully believes Pryor is the greatest thing on the earth and Palmer is the worst, its their opinion, let them think what ever makes them happy, why waste ur time trying to convince him other wise, or change his/her opinion? nothing is going to change with that guy, just change ur self, change who you want to associate with , and what you want to talk about on this blog
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Well, either way I’m pleased with the latest coaching hire. I was freaking out last week when there wasn’t any word from the front office, but it seems like they had their guys lined up and were waiting for the initial dust to settle.
Now all we need to do is convince DHB to take a paycut. Maybe Reggie can get him to step into one of those tornado booths and try to catch as much cash as he can in 60 seconds.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Reg is the GM afterall, and DA is the coach, they will make decisions based on who gives the team better chance, this year and in the future, and we will all either b happy or either b sad, why waste energy on what another poster thinks this team should do
January 26th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Well, either way I’m pleased with the latest coaching hire. I was freaking out last week when there wasn’t any word from the front office, but it seems like they had their guys lined up and were waiting for the initial dust to settle.
Now all we need to do is convince DHB to take a paycut. Maybe Reggie can get him to step into one of those tornado booths and try to catch as much cash as he can in 60 seconds.
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Put float footballs full of money in there and he’d get paid the league minimum.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:37 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 am
Well, either way I’m pleased with the latest coaching hire. I was freaking out last week when there wasn’t any word from the front office, but it seems like they had their guys lined up and were waiting for the initial dust to settle.
Now all we need to do is convince DHB to take a paycut. Maybe Reggie can get him to step into one of those tornado booths and try to catch as much cash as he can in 60 seconds.
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did u just say DHB and “catch” together?
January 26th, 2013 at 12:37 am
really, really solid hires, i was getting concerned as well like the rest of the nation, but Reg and DA did their HW, how these solid hires will turn out like ? that’s for the real season to tell, but taking right steps in right direction, so things look like going up
January 26th, 2013 at 12:38 am
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:26 am
RaiderLen Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:17 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 am
funny how missdick signed odd “kirk out” the other day.
and the poster “kirk” always appears and agrees with missdick.
and today missdick said it was a coincidence and that star trek is a popular show.
does missdick strike u as a trekkie? a fan of the white show. he said he didn’t like anything that came from “hollyweird”.
EXPOSED!
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Speaking for myself, (and most others) Nobody cares.
You and mistic need to throw down and get it over with.
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oh u care. u pretend u don’t. but u do. u do.
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This is why he is the “IQ Vacuum.”
He turns otherwise very intelligent people into blithering idiots.
JUST IGNORE HIM.
Duh.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:38 am
just saw “Lincoln” tonite. really good.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Gdog Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:38 am
This is why he is the “IQ Vacuum.”
He turns otherwise very intelligent people into blithering idiots.
JUST IGNORE HIM.
Duh.
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wait. i think u just called me a blithering idiot.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:39 am
Gdog Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:38 am
This is why he is the “IQ Vacuum.”
He turns otherwise very intelligent people into blithering idiots.
JUST IGNORE HIM.
Duh.
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wait. i think u just called me a blithering idiot.
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That obviously wasn’t directed at you. He said “otherwise very intelligent people”.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Only reason mist1c is still here , because people feed him, once every single poster stops feeding him, he will be gone in no time, it doesn’t matter how much he gets proven wrong, n how much he embarrasses himself, as long as he’s getting attention he will claim blog victories, and keep coming back day after day, the guy just wants attention any way he can , keep giving it to him , he will keep coming back, stop giving it him, he will stop as well
January 26th, 2013 at 12:46 am
oh. that’s true. he didn’t say genius. whoo. what a relief.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:47 am
Sally Field was batsh!t crazy in Lincoln, but yeah it was pretty good.
I was surprised at how dark the palette was for that film. It was like the specter of death clouded Daniel Day-Lewis at every turn.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:48 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:45 am
Only reason mist1c is still here , because people feed him, once every single poster stops feeding him, he will be gone in no time, it doesn’t matter how much he gets proven wrong, n how much he embarrasses himself, as long as he’s getting attention he will claim blog victories, and keep coming back day after day, the guy just wants attention any way he can , keep giving it to him , he will keep coming back, stop giving it him, he will stop as well
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well, i’m certainly done trying to talk sense to him (honestly). but he does give us daily doses of dunce-ness like “ice cream melting in the dessert”, “semite means semi-white”, and many others. his stupidity is to be seen as comedy.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:49 am
Dr rob i love your football takes man, i know you got great football insights, but you need to take a break man, you letting this mystic sh1t get too much to ur head, yeah you’re probably winning every argument, but the fact is no amount of winning on this blog would do anything to change that idea, you’re giving him what he craves the most everytime you reply to him or talk about him, and that is attention, as long as he keeps getting it, he will stay here, so if you don’t like the guy, why won’t you jst give it a rest, heck just take a day or 2 off from this blog man
January 26th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Papertiger418 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:47 am
Sally Field was batsh!t crazy in Lincoln, but yeah it was pretty good.
I was surprised at how dark the palette was for that film. It was like the specter of death clouded Daniel Day-Lewis at every turn.
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yeah, it was dark and dingy. i didn’t love that part. but day-lewis WAS lincoln and there were a lot of great actors. tommy lee jones was great.
interesting how few sets there really were. not a lot of things happening. lots of talking. but it was still powerful.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:52 am
mcf20–lol. he’s just a toy to me. i’ll let him be for the blog’s sake.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:53 am
HONestly his stupidity is just that, you can’t really laugh at his posts anymore either, no matter how stupid they’re , can’t keep laughing at same jokes right? you need same material, so whatever promts you to reply back to him, needs to stop, eff trying to talk sense in him, you think posters haven’t tried that, he’s a more of a fan of colored guys than a fan of this team, so there goes the talk of trying to talk sense into him outta the window, you get what i mean? just let the whole palmer vs pryor debate go, black vs white, anything that doesn’t include Raiders tlk, but on the hand DEBO is pretty hillarious though
January 26th, 2013 at 12:54 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjd3atGnd5o
January 26th, 2013 at 12:55 am
i usually don’t watch the college all-star games but i might peek in to see allen and the staff.
i’m curious how many of these staffs actually end up taking guys they coached.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:59 am
i’m out. later guys.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:00 am
later rob, be good man
January 26th, 2013 at 1:00 am
nice youtube video
January 26th, 2013 at 1:00 am
I think part of the problem with the film was that they got Tony Kushner, the playwright, to adapt the book. The lack of scope made the scenes claustrophobic. In some ways, it reminded me of Doubt; a play masquerading as a movie.
That being said, the format allows Daniel Day-Lewis to dominate. It’s like his read-option.
Also, how fu€king evil does Jackie Earle Haley look as Alexander Stevens in that movie? You can see why they chose him as the new Freddy Kruger, which is funny because in Lincoln, he looks and acts like Mistic’s worst nightmare.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 am
I’m out as well, nite
January 26th, 2013 at 2:47 am
When can we get a new freaking post!!!! Wish Free Agency would already start!!!, or atleast re-sign Wheeler,Bryant….
January 26th, 2013 at 2:49 am
I really like FS Tony Jefferson, I hope Reggie will take a look at him.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:53 am
If we get multiple 6th, wish we would take a chance on Marcu Lattimore. Dude’s gonna be a beast, we could stash him on IR for the year like we did with MBush….cmon Reggie do the right thing!!! No to Landry Jones, That fool collaspes under pressure…..He was a headache this year!!! Owns all the records at OU, but i’d rather have Ryan Nassib.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:55 am
I hope we’re able to get Terrance Knighton….
January 26th, 2013 at 2:58 am
If and when the Steelers release Chris Rainey, do we take a chance on him? I know he led the NFL in Return yards???
January 26th, 2013 at 3:01 am
According to ESPN New York, Darrelle Revis is “believed” to be seeking $16 million annually and $60 million guaranteed on his next contract.
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The Raiders are $4.5 million over the cap, which is an improvement from where they were last year at this time. However, it doesn’t make life any easier for the front office.
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cross Revis off you wish list, folks.
sounds like another year of cheap FA’s nobody else wants, or Green Bay practice squaders
January 26th, 2013 at 3:02 am
I hope we draft Womack or jones, I hope we’re able to trade down and pick up a 2nd. Hope we’re able to move some of this dead weight on the roster. I want young hungry players…we need winners!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 am
I never wanted Revis, I’d take DRC or shields if we could afford a draft pick for em.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 am
I hope we’re able to get Terrance Knighton….
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OK18,
I wanted the Raiders to draft him in ‘09
instead we got Heyward-Bey, Mitchell & ShoNasty (lol)
January 26th, 2013 at 3:05 am
He’d be a huge improvement over our current DT’s, unless we moved L.Houston down there with D. Bryant….I’d take all three though.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:10 am
Wish Free Agency would already start!!!, or atleast re-sign Wheeler,Bryant….
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I’m with you. those guys should both be back
I can see us resigning a bunch of guys though, with our cap situation what it is
Shaughnessy, Gaither, Mitchell, Carter & Hanson on defense.
Adams & Francies are RFA’s who will receive “tenders”
I don’t think we’ll ever see McClain, Seymour, Spencer or Giordano in a Raiders jersey again
January 26th, 2013 at 3:12 am
I’d really like to get Larry Grant, I hope we give Omar Gaither a chance to start.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:13 am
offensively?
Myers & Goodson will return. Carlisle & Barnes might have another year left in the tank.
Leinart & Hagan are toast.
Taiwan Jones & Willie Smith probably get axed
January 26th, 2013 at 3:13 am
Francies?? I didnt really like him to much, i think we could pick someone up in FA or draft. I’d be glad if they all were gone next season. we need new life on our roster.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:15 am
Taiwan Jones has untapped potential, we need to get him alittle bigger, but i think he’d do well for us or atleast try him out at corner
January 26th, 2013 at 3:16 am
I really liked hagan, he didnt get a fair chance here though due to our depth.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:17 am
we need new life on our roster.
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I hear ya!
unfortunately, we’re still stuck with a bunch of “out of whack” contracts…
you can thank Reggie for Brisiel & Branch, but he inherited the contracts and “would be” cap hits of Palmer, Heyward-Bey, Kelly, McClain & Huff
January 26th, 2013 at 3:18 am
I say we ask them to restructure or cut their asses.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:21 am
Taiwan Jones has untapped potential
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I agree with this. McFadden & Goodson seem to have found a cure for fumblitis (thanks Kelly Skipper!) Maybe Jones can too?
Unfortunately, all 3 backs are injury prone.
I like Hagan too, but with Ford returning and Streater’s emergence I find it hard to beleive he’ll be resigned. trade JFORD for a bag of pretzels
leave Adams at CB and take him off return duties. waive goodbye to Francies. draft Honey Badger !?!?
January 26th, 2013 at 3:24 am
If we cant get anyone better through Free Agency or the draft then yes roll with Adams, but i think we’ll find a better option then Agams……Id take the HoneyBadger…he’s being coached up by Patrick Peterson…….I’d love to move Marcel Reece to Rb to back up McFragile….I like that kid outta Harvard….
January 26th, 2013 at 3:25 am
OK18,
The Raiders are $4.5 million over the cap
you re-sign 7 or 8 of those players I mentioned above and that number gets bigger.
draft a bunch of kids and that number gets bigger.
sign FA’s from other teams and that number gets bigger.
Cut #55 and that number gets bigger.
see what I’m saying?
the Raiders can only afford to release so many players who have HUGE cap hits and McClain is certainly going to be one of them
January 26th, 2013 at 3:27 am
Damn I cant wait till we can get under the cap like the Bucccaneers $55 million or something like that, how in the hell did they pull that off???
January 26th, 2013 at 3:39 am
I cant wait till we can get under the cap like the Bucccaneers $55 million or something like that, how in the hell did they pull that off???
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they were cheap with players & coaches
last year they finally broke the bank for a few players
Jackson & Nicks on offense
look at that defense. it’s chalk full of players they drafted who are on rookie contracts or guys they got for 10 cents in free agency
DC Bill Sheridan has his hands full
the Raiders have high profile players that just suck. We “lost” Wimbley & Routt. We’re about to lose Seymour & McClain. I wish we could find a way to lose Kelly & Branch while we’re at it!!
January 26th, 2013 at 3:45 am
I would have Bryant & Houston inside at DT.
Carter & Shaughnessy outside at DE.
plenty of reps left for Crawford, Tollefson, Bilukidi, etc.
Burris, Wheeler & Gaither at LB again.
Huff back to FS. Adams at CB
then you draft about 3 DB’s for Ross & Chekwa to compete with for the other CB spot
re-sign MM34 to compete with a rookie SS
January 26th, 2013 at 3:49 am
We need an EXPLOSIVE offense.
any RB’s or WR’s this draft that could help us?
I still think O-Line and secondary are the highest priorities, but sometimes you can’t dig up a solid OL grunt in the late rounds or undrafted. Either that or just coach’em up like Wylie & Wiz did
January 26th, 2013 at 3:52 am
I saw a 3rd string QB who hadn’t gotten rep all year, or played in a game in 2 years, come in and throw 2 TD pass, Run for 1, convert 53% of his 3rd downs, had 4-5 passes dropped, no penalties, no sacks. Ok, get over it. Most people saw the same thing. That why his stock has gone up, and he’s in the mix.
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Kell has it right. co-signed
January 26th, 2013 at 4:27 am
hey, Lakers are 2 games better than the Kings.
congrats morning crew!
Meanwhile, Heat = top team in the East
Knicks & Bulls are serious competition
Spurs & Thunder rule the West, as predicted by RRS months ago
January 26th, 2013 at 4:36 am
Thunder up!!! KD is the truth son!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 5:06 am
Oakland Raiders: Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
The Raiders really missed Kamerion Wimbley. There’s a reason only the Jaguars had fewer sacks in the NFL this year. Oakland needs to find a legitimate pass-rusher. This is a situation in which the top player available aligns with a huge need.
Damontre Moore said earlier that he planned on returning to school, but he officially changed his mind recently after learning that he was close to being a top-five lock with a shot at going as high as No. 2 to Jacksonville
-Walter Football
Last update: Wednesday, Jan. 23, 2013
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thoughts??
January 26th, 2013 at 5:16 am
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see Reggie trade down to pick 15-20 and take the BPA in order to get a 2nd rounder and maybe something else
January 26th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Coliseum Authority to study plans for new Oakland Raiders football stadium and entertainment district
By Paul T. Rosynsky Oakland Tribune
OAKLAND — The city’s dream of remaining the home of at least one professional sports franchise continued Friday as the governing board overseeing the coliseum complex agreed to spend $1 million studying new stadium proposals.
Dubbed “Coliseum City,” the proposal calls for a construction of an entertainment and sports district on the 1,000 acres of land where the O.co Coliseum and Oracle Arena now stand.
The project models itself after the vibrant L.A. Live development in downtown Los Angeles anchored by Staples Arena that houses three professional sports teams. The development also has several entertainment options including a theater, restaurants and bars.
Although the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum complex currently houses three professional teams, only the Oakland Raiders appear willing to look at future options at the site.
The Oakland Athletics have ruled the city out as a future home and the Golden State Warriors are seeking to construct a new arena in San Francisco.
The Oakland Raiders have agreed to work with city and county leaders in seeking studies to determine if Coliseum City is feasible. The team said it will help fund part of the $1 million approved Friday for two studies.
The studies will include a site plan and development scenarios with a focus on the Raiders being the anchor tenant.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:50 am
I think the only picks I would be disappointed with is a QB or Jarvis Jones.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:55 am
any RB’s or WR’s this draft that could help us?
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I am sure there are plenty, but ones that might be in our cross hairs to deal with the “economics” of our draft include:
-Jonathan Franklin, RB (complete stud)
-Justin Hunter, WR (DHB 2.0, only maybe more athletic)
-Kenny Stills, WR (elite hands and route-runner)
We may need to trade up to get Stills, definitely for Franklin, and Hunter will be there in the 3rd, prob not 4th.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:56 am
Geno Smith and Matt Barkley need to SHINE at the combine, workouts, and all the offseason stuff.
Praying they go 1-2 innthe draft and leave us in prime trade down position.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I can’t believe Al left us in a situation to where after he passed we had his doofus son and an overzealous, self-absorbed “HC” making GM decisions for us.
If we had the #3 pick overall in the first 4 rounds, with some of these TK, Jacoby, Sho-nasty somewhat tradeable parts, we could be some real players in this draft.
Not having that 2nd rounder is a killer, especially if we can’t trade down from #3 overall.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Barkley might not be one of the first 4 QB’s taken.
I like this Wilson kid, but he reminds me very much of RGIII in that he doesn’t take contact well at all.
You see some guys get hit, and then guys like those get hit, and their ankles are 3 feet in the air.
Not sure what it is (balance, footwork, body type, etc) but it is clear as day.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I think the Eagles are our most likely trade partner, them wanting to move up one spot and ensure we don’t trade to another team that takes the guy they want.
Won’t get much for sliding down one spot. Maybe a 4th.
I am still holding onto Reggie trading our 3rd rounder for the Pats 1st rounder, only a move down of about 35 or so spots for them, and giving them a player (TK/Ford) and say a 6th this year, and a 3rd next year.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:09 am
We may also try to trade down from the 3rd to the back end of the 2nd, and that won’t cost much at all.
We got like 5 picks in the 6th and 7th round, plus maybe a comp pick or two (can’t trade those).
So I say pass on most of those late picks (keep one to draft the next great Raider punter Taylor Accardi) and try to use them as bargaining chips, moving up a few picks here or there.
We don’t need 5 Jeremy Ware and Nate Stupar’s.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:10 am
I like Adams and Chekwa at CB.
I like Branch, Huff, and Ross at S.
We need corner depth big time. Francies is not the answer.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Not having that 2nd rounder is a killer, especially if we can’t trade down from #3 overall.
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Exactly.
We can get a starting CB in the 2nd. One of these guys will be available: X Rhodes, D Amerson, D Trufant, or J Poyer.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:13 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:10 am
I like Adams and Chekwa at CB.
I like Branch, Huff, and Ross at S.
We need corner depth big time. Francies is not the answer.
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LOL @ we need corner depth big time.
Dude….. We need Corners big time. Adams and Chekwa are depth. Lol
January 26th, 2013 at 7:14 am
You think Rhodes and Trufant will be avail in the 2nd?
If so, not for much of it.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Trade up for the 3rd rd?
Hmmmmm.
I’ve been saying I think we are going to get a pretty solid pick with that early 3rd. Cats always fall out of the 2nd rd. This is where I expectour Sr. Bowl experience to pay off.
Would rather trade down to 8-10′ish and pick up a 2nd rd pick.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:15 am
I worry about Adams and his cocunut issues.
Not too long before he gets a little “punchy”.
Although not having him returning punts could help.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Adams is starting, chuckles.
Depth, my arsse.
I’ll bet you a phat B load that Chekwa is at least the #3 corner by the time the season starts.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Would rather trade down to 8-10′ish and pick up a 2nd rd pick.
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Wouldn’t cost much either.
Trade from say #67 (our 3rd) to say #59 (late 2nd), might only cost us TK and a 6th.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:14 am
You think Rhodes and Trufant will be avail in the 2nd?
If so, not for much of it.
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I think Milliner and Banks will get drafted in the 1st (top 15), and there is a good chance of a good CB like Rhodes or Trufant or the others I mentioned falling to the 2nd.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:20 am
The last two drafts, our first player drafted was an O-lineman.
2012 first player we draft is an O-lineman
2011 two of our first 3 picks (1 and3) were O-lineman.
2010 two of our top 4 picks were O-lineman.
Enough with the O-lineman!!!!!!!
Wasting waaaaay too many resources on that ish.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:23 am
That is why I tend to focus on where we invest our 1st and 2nd round picks. That is also why I have said our rebuilding process will be slower than most given our cap situation last year and this year as well as our lack of 1st and 2nd round picks last year and this year.
The percentages say that 1st and 2nd round picks have a high liklihood of contributing year one.
I am surprised we still have people on the blog that want to invest first and second rounders on DB’s after the experience with Buchanon, Washington, Routt etc. etc.
Given our holes on the line I am very confident we will use our high picks on lineman and invest 4th round and later on DB’s.
No DB’s should be leading the team in tackles like we have with our SS and no one is going to cover WR’s for five seconds.
Teams use the best available startegy with top picks when they have a competitive team.
When you are not competitive you must use your high draft picks for need.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:25 am
I can’t see us going O-lineman with our first pick in the draft 3 years in a row.
Especially when our O-line is way better than our WR’s, RB’s, D-line, LB’s and secondary.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 am
J,
So you think our starting CBs next season are a 7th round pick who was with 4 teams in 3 years and a guy who was on the PS for most of the season?
Got it dude.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Are Burris and McClain the only LBs on the roster right now?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:30 am
Does anyone else in here agree with O in that Phillip Adams isn’t starting at CB for us next year?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:30 am
JFB
I know you are fond of pointing out the 2008 Steelers SuperBowl winning team regarding how they built their Oline.
It is clearly the exception.
If we were a competitive team perhaps we could focus on skill positions with high picks.
WE ARE NOT COMPETITIVE!
9-51 aginst playoff teams for the last ten years with seven different coaching staffs.
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
Why do you constantly say great Lines can be built with low round picks and FA castoffs?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:30 am
In the last 5 years, in the first or second round we have drafted 3 lineman and 1 DB (MM34).
That doesn’t even include Veldheer and Berg in the 3rd round.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:31 am
And I said 3rd corner for Chekwa, O.
And WTF are you arguing about so early in the morning????
One would think that we don’t AGREE that we need corners.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:33 am
Btw J, if you think Chekwa and Adams are starters, then why were you interested in drafting CB Milliner yesterday.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:34 am
If Kelly is indeed on his way out, I just don’t see how we don’t take the big fat guy in the middle.
Yes, JFB. It’s Star Lotuleilei propoganda day, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:34 am
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
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Ours are 2nd and 3rd round picks, with another 2nd at Guard.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:36 am
JFB,
I want to KEEP our 3rd rd pick.
Trade down from #3 overall to say AZ’s spot.
Maybe Chicago trades their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up and draft Joeckle?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:37 am
why were you interested in drafting CB Milliner yesterday.
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Because we need corners!!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Why do you constantly say great Lines can be built with low round picks and FA castoffs?
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Not ALL of the line, but the 49ers for example have an undrafted guard who just made the Pro Bowl and a 5th round pick at center.
Matt Birk was undrafted.
So the two starting centers in the Super Bowl were undrafted and a 5th round pick.
Well…..we got much more of an investment in that spot than they do!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 7:39 am
I don’t think a fat power pig is worth the third pick in the draft no way and I don’t kno why everyone is so crazy about star dude won’t get more than 4 or 5 sacks a year in the league if he’s lucky that’s just way to high to draft someone who won’t make enough plays take a defensive end who can disrupt things and get after the qb or take the best offensive lineman
January 26th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Arguing?!
Relax dude. Smoke a bowl bro. I’m just asking.
Btw, your 3rd CB/ NB is considered a starter in today’s league.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Of the last 4 teams in the playoff we had centers:
Birk-undrafted
Goodwin-5th round pick, 3rd team
McClure- 7th round pick
Wendell-undrafted
LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 7:42 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:10 am
I like Adams and Chekwa at CB.
I like Branch, Huff, and Ross at S.
We need corner depth big time. Francies is not the answer.
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:37 am
why were you interested in drafting CB Milliner yesterday.
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Because we need corners!!!!!
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OK Buddy.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:42 am
Milliner is a really good player but what good does a corner do if u can’t rush the passer
January 26th, 2013 at 7:43 am
But I am sure first time starter, undrafted Center Ryan Wendell was the reason for the Patriots success offensively.
What is he, the 5th different starting center for the Patriots in the Brady playoff era?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Charlie,
If we draft an O-lineman in the first round this year, that will be our 3rd straight draft our first draft pick was an O-lineman.
Your argument will lose a lot of steam, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Pretty safe bet that if I have the time to sit here at the water cooler, you best believe bowls have been smoked, lol.
I’ve made the point on several occasions that your nickel corner is essentially a starter.
Chekwa will be a 3rd year player who slipped in his draft class because of injury. Surprised that you are acting like Chekwa is some undrafted scrub from Nowhere University.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Charlie,
If we draft an O-lineman in the first round this year, that will be our 3rd straight draft our first draft pick was an O-lineman.
Your argument will lose a lot of steam, lol.
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Will lose a lot of steam?!
Look at the Eagles and Browns, and then Look at the SB winning steelers and Giants, and you will realize his argument lost a lot of steam long time ago
January 26th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Surprised that you are acting like Chekwa is some undrafted scrub from Nowhere University.
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We should have drafted someone from Michigan!!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 7:51 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Pretty safe bet that if I have the time to sit here at the water cooler, you best believe bowls have been smoked, lol.
I’ve made the point on several occasions that your nickel corner is essentially a starter.
Chekwa will be a 3rd year player who slipped in his draft class because of injury. Surprised that you are acting like Chekwa is some undrafted scrub from Nowhere University.
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LOL
I like Chekwa, and I wanted us to draft him, but I refuse to call a PS player and a 25 yo journeyman starters.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Surprised that you are acting like Chekwa is some undrafted scrub from Nowhere University.
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We should have drafted someone from Michigan!!!!!
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That’s a low blow Chico.
Eff you and damn you Mich!
January 26th, 2013 at 7:52 am
If we draft an O-lineman in the first round this year, that will be our 3rd straight draft our first draft pick was an O-lineman.
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Do you realize how DOMINANT our Oline would be if we went OL at 3?
Joeckel-Bergstrom-Wiz-Brisel-Veldheer
Those are some big powerful uglies, man.
Palmer would have all day to throw. He’d be able to wait for D Moore to come out of his routes instead of trying to predict what the hell tha WR is seeing, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:52 am
i say if we trade down we trade way down. maybe to the rams. pick up a 2nd and another 1st in 2014. that could be our clowney pick
January 26th, 2013 at 7:53 am
I am still crossing my fingers we somehow draft Te’O, Franklin and Honey Badger.
Best MLB, RB and KR in the draft.
All major positions of need, especially long-term if McFadden is gone after 2013 (hopefully I will add).
January 26th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Do you realize how DOMINANT our Oline would be if we went OL at 3?
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Can they throw, catch or break tackles?
Because that was what failed our offense last year.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:54 am
TP is a Buckeye too, and I don’t think he should start him over CP. I do think we are rebuilding, I don’t think CP will be able to help us in a few years after we improve and become a competitive team, so I rather trade him for picks that will help this team LT.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Or call plays?
(got to add that one in)
January 26th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Darrius Heyward-Bey – WR – Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey is not expected back with the Raiders at his currently scheduled $7.721 million base salary.
“Pay cut or hit the road time,” beat writer Steve Corkran quipped. After a promising 2011 season, Heyward-Bey took a big step back in 2012, failing to fit into Greg Knapp’s West Coast offense. Perhaps new OC Greg Olson’s system would be a better fit, but Heyward-Bey won’t get a chance if he doesn’t slash his salary.
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He’ll be back at reduced price.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Why are some of you against drafting a potential all pro OT or OG in rd 1?
If we trade down and draft Fisher or Quesenberry to play RT, or trade down to draft a G, how could you possibly be against that?
Barnes is a FA and Carlisle is not a starter. I guess we can pencil in Bergstrom for Carlisle. Or is he penciled in at RG for a soon to be cut Briesel?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Do you realize how DOMINANT our Oline would be if we went OL at 3?
Joeckel-Bergstrom-Wiz-Brisel-Veldheer
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Can they catch, rush the passer, create TOs, or score?
Lets improve our 5th ranked OL in hurries and sacks allowed to become 1st. That will fix our problems.
You People…..
January 26th, 2013 at 7:57 am
since it looks like we are switching to 3-4 wouldn’t it be more likely that we draft an OLB with our first pick if we go defense?
January 26th, 2013 at 7:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:54 am
Do you realize how DOMINANT our Oline would be if we went OL at 3?
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Can they throw, catch or break tackles?
Because that was what failed our offense last year.
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LMAO
Exactly!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am
Why are some of you against drafting a potential all pro OT or OG in rd 1?
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I am not against drafting an “all-pro” at any position.
Warmack would be cool, mostly because OG was a major issue at times last year.
But OT?? How can we draft a guy #3, and then he might not even be better than the guy we already have there?
Any young OT will have to be pretty good, REALLY GOOD IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR, to represent any type of improvement.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:00 am
A third round pick is not what I am talking about.
You can find a good guy in round 3 (Veld) but you can also get a project like Bergstrom.
We need an Okung or Oher or Ngata or Woolfolk. ACTUALLY A FEW OF THEM!
YOU MAY FIND THEM IN ROUND 6. More likely in round 1.
My prior post clearly focuses on the use of 1st an 2nd rounders.
Though I enjoy your perspective I can guarantee we will use our first and second round picks for the next two years on lineman.
Age and/or poor play with existing lineman (Kelly, Barnes, Carlise, Carter, Seymour(gone anyway)clearly make lineman our number one need at this time.
The last ten years were spent on using high picks predominantly on “skill” guys and low picks or FA castoffs on the lines and it killed us. It is not an accident that our best lineman today are, Veld (rd 3) Houston (2) Wiz (2) were taken with relatively high picks.
Much more of that to come and the wins will follow.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:01 am
We are switching to 3-4???
I think this team will line up 3-4, 4-3 about the same amount of time, and each will be less than 1/3 of the time.
End of the year we were doing all kinds of crazy things. 1 guy with his hand in the dirt, lots of 2-4-5 with secondary guys blitzing, etc.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:02 am
i don’t think our offense needs too much help. our line needs some tweeks and the coaching change will make all the difference.
we need a pass rush more than anything
January 26th, 2013 at 8:03 am
JFB,
Because we think the Oline needs major help, that in no way means the skill positions don’t need the same attention. Same goes for CB and our pass rush.
WR is our biggest need, imo. Too bad there isn’t a WR worthy of the #3 pick.
OT and CB are equal needs, imo.
OG and OLB are huge needs as well. I see us playing more 2 and 3 DL sets, so this RDE need is out the window.
OT, CB, OG, OLB = me being fine with Joeckel, Werner, Mingo, Warmack, Moore, and Millner as the guys I “WANT” in rd 1.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Though I enjoy your perspective I can guarantee we will use our first and second round picks for the next two years on lineman.
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Bold statement, we shall see.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Kendrick Lamarr on SNL tonight, wonder if they will get him in any of the sketches.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:05 am
tarver, dennis allen and bob sanders are 3-4 guys. we haven’t let mcclain go yet. drafting of bulikudi. it sure looks like prep for a 3-4 to me. maybe mcclain can work well inside with burris…never know
January 26th, 2013 at 8:06 am
We are switching to 3-4???
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How much of the last 3 or 4 games do you remember?
Lamar Houston stood up as an OLB WAY more than 1/3 of the time. Especially in that last game against the dolts. Didn’t drop into coverage much, but his hand was not on the ground.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:07 am
I don’t see the Raiders switching to a 3-4.
They want some consistency and they want to give the players the chance to play a few years in one system.
They wanted this for both sides of the ball but the players wanted no more of Knapp’s crap.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:07 am
i know wr is a need but i think streater, criner, ford, moore, maybe dhb is a young enough corp. if any wr it should be FA
January 26th, 2013 at 8:09 am
You people overreact a lot.
We will switch to 3-4 because we did that the last few games of the season.
Houston will be our LB because he was standing up a few plays.
We don’t need CBs because Adams and Chekwa had a few good plays.
I’m not talking about J. I heard these arguments here from different people.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
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Slavery ended 150 years ago.
Move the f— on.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Can they catch, rush the passer, create TOs, or score?
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Well they don’t play defense, so rushing the passer and creating TO’s is irrelevant.
They can certainly give the QB more time to throw it to the WRs so they can CATCH the ball.
I think they can open some holes that lead to our RBs SCORING.
So ….. I guess that’s a big hell yeah to drafting OT or OG in rd 1?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:11 am
40 new tweets from the Corkster. I’m thinking a few Coronas got cracked last night.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:12 am
shaunnessy might be trade bait too with the 3-4 switch. 3rd or 4th rounder?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am
But OT?? How can we draft a guy #3, and then he might not even be better than the guy we already have there?
Any young OT will have to be pretty good, REALLY GOOD IN HIS ROOKIE YEAR, to represent any type of improvement.
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Barnes is a FA. Don’t we only have 1 OT on the roster?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
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Slavery ended 150 years ago.
Move the f— on.
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Were your ancestors slaves and abused by others?
Talk about things you understand.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:15 am
It seems like there is a philisophical difference that will never be agreed upon and that is some believe that the game has changed and skill guys can overcome all obstacles if they are good enough.
I come from the camp that believes that Olines create time and space and Dlines destroy time and space.
No matter how prolific the individual, football is a team game.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
“Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”"
Without enough time and space Teo gets neutralized by Alabama, Peyton and Brady get swarmed by the Giants and Steelers Dline and become ordinary, CJ, Crabtree and Fitzgerald play for bad football teams because they can not play defense and maintain a balanced attack.
We get pummeled by playoff teams on the line of scrimmage and have for a decade. 9-51 for the last ten years. That will continue till we fix the lines.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:16 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Can they catch, rush the passer, create TOs, or score?
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Well they don’t play defense, so rushing the passer and creating TO’s is irrelevant.
They can certainly give the QB more time to throw it to the WRs so they can CATCH the ball.
I think they can open some holes that lead to our RBs SCORING.
So ….. I guess that’s a big hell yeah to drafting OT or OG in rd 1?
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So having an extra second is going to help Moore run better routes and help DHB with his drops?
DMC ran very well with our 2010 and 2011 OL.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 am
I love how you guys want to live in the past! Carson is Past his potential! Not headed to Hall of Fame but your still riding his Jock like he has 24 with an upside! The dudes game is recognised by everyone who defends against him. Carson should drop his contract and become QB Coach LOL! He is what he is Done!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:17 am
look at our personnel. bryant and houston at DE with a big boy (bilikudi?) at NT? we are already built for the 3-4 with room at LB for new blood. wheeler, burris, gaither, shaunnessy, mcclain perhaps. just sayin the writing is on the wall and im all for it. 4-3 has worked for the giants but how many successful teams run a 3-4? because the scheme works…and without breaking the bank
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Were your ancestors slaves and abused by others?
Talk about things you understand.
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If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Also we have a tuff scheduale this year no time to Dick around with whAT if’s! That’s why we have two ex- Head Coaches or asst/ HC’s on the team to get Dennis up and running hopefully not out the door!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:21 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Were your ancestors slaves and abused by others?
Talk about things you understand.
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If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.
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Distribution of wealth?!?!
Losing countries and land?!?!
Losing rights for centuries?!?
Do us a favor and Shut the EFF up. You are clueless.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Jews
Palestinians
African Americans
Native Americans
Should just move the F on according to Mr. Duck.
What an ignorant thing to say.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:27 am
People in S Africa,
Move the F- on.
You Monkeys are disgusting.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:32 am
its so funny to me when african americans bring up racism and slavery…im half indian, you know nothing of racial persecution. while your ancestors were getting hot meals in trade for farming, their “owners” were butchering mine. shut up. this is a football blog. 3-4 baby!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Jews
Palestinians
African Americans
Native Americans
Should just move the F on according to Mr. Duck.
What an ignorant thing to say.
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This is what they call a “straw man argument:” where you rebut something the other never actually said.
When did I say anything about the situation in Israel? When did say anything about the Indians?
As for descendants of slaves: There are no former American slaves living. There are almost none of their children living. There are no former slaveowners or their children living. The past is the past. MOVE ON.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 am
, CJ, Crabtree and Fitzgerald play for bad football teams because they can not play defense and maintain a balanced attack.
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Fitzgerald almost single-handely won a Super Bowl, with 7 postseason TD’s and a hundred yards a week in the playoffs.
With a crappy O-line.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:39 am
LOL, O.
LMFAO.
Maybe that should be our slogan for the Raiders?
Move the eff on!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:41 am
So now I have to argue with an Indian about who had it worse????
Gee, thanks, Duck!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:42 am
what color do you think the race card is?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:43 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:41 am
So now I have to argue with an Indian about who had it worse????
Gee, thanks, Duck!
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hahaha! awesome
January 26th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Hey IrJonny.
Why don’t we just split the difference and say both our peoples got phucced over.
You really think John Wayne was nicer to us?
I’m still waiting for my casino!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:44 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:41 am
So now I have to argue with an Indian about who had it worse????
Gee, thanks, Duck!
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Don’t blame me. Mistic started it with his whole “Down With the White Man” shtick.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:44 am
what color do you think the race card is?
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The yellow card the dealer makes you cut the deck with.
Serves no purpose, but to “cut the deck”.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:44 am
O, c’mon man. You’re talking about complex issues that deserve serious discourse. Probably not on this forum. The real point is, if Miss Tick is for real, he’s a blithering idiot. So much so that I’m increasingly disinclined to think he is for real. More like a bad backhanded attempt to discredit blacks.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:46 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Jews
Palestinians
African Americans
Native Americans
Should just move the F on according to Mr. Duck.
What an ignorant thing to say.
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This is what they call a “straw man argument:” where you rebut something the other never actually said.
When did I say anything about the situation in Israel? When did say anything about the Indians?
As for descendants of slaves: There are no former American slaves living. There are almost none of their children living. There are no former slaveowners or their children living. The past is the past. MOVE ON.
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Were your ancestors slaves and abused by others?
Talk about things you understand.
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If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 25th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
None of you could ever understand the struggle my people have gone through.
I carry my machete proudly and shall chop the heads off of my enemies.
I am on a mission of vengeance and justice shall not sleep until it is served.
Cam Newton carries the torch and the “Wave of the Future” follows close behind.
Fear grips this forum as you devils contemplate what’s coming next.
You shake in your boots as your golden haired hero’s fade off into the sunset, carrying with them the blood that their ancestors spilled on the Afrikan continent.
3 Wave of the Future Qb’s make the playoffs and the race hating blog whimpers in waving the white flag mulling how they will off themselves when the black Tsunami of vengeance strikes with names like Bridgewater, Manuel, and Boyd who will replace names like Manning, Brady and Rodgers and cause then to be forgotten like stale leftovers in the kitchen.
CHEW AND SWALLOW.
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Slavery ended 150 years ago.
Move the f— on.
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You said “If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.” Which applies to Native Americans, Jews, and Palestinians. The issue in Israel/ Palestine is a little older than a few centuries.
Do us a favor and stop posting ignorant statements.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Llama man,
Maybe you should say that to the ignorant monkey aka Duck who posted that Ignorant statement.
“Just move the F on” is one of the most ignorant statements I read here, and I read a lot of ignorant statements.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:48 am
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Hey IrJonny.
Why don’t we just split the difference and say both our peoples got phucced over.
You really think John Wayne was nicer to us?
I’m still waiting for my casino!
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Great Eagle very offended
January 26th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Sure gannon..dream on…water boy doesnt throw 5 (FIVE) INTS in the biggest game of his career..you are more to blame than most for that debacle….sorry if u cant admit it…then again as long as u were a raider i NEVER heard u accept full on blame for anything…EVER…
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“If you got on that plane Monday in Oakland and flew to San Diego to participate in the Super Bowl, whether you’re the owner, the head coach, the quarterback or the guy that passed out the tickets, you’re responsible for what took place down there.”
January 26th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Lobo’s vs Aztecs today.
Let’s Go Lobo’s!!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:53 am
So umm…if we decide to go more multiple, or just standing more players up in the front seven, I think it opens up the first round quite a bit-making all the OL, CB, DL prospects still within reason, and then makes mingo, j. jones, and dion jordan decent fits too.
Really I’m not trying to add anything new…just trying to get away from the silliness and get you guys talking about football again, so that I have something to read in between online poker hands
January 26th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:46 am
You said “If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.” Which applies to Native Americans, Jews, and Palestinians. The issue in Israel/ Palestine is a little older than a few centuries.
Do us a favor and stop posting ignorant statements.
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The issues in Israel are going on RIGHT NOW. The Indians are not getting their land back. Those are changes that still exist.
Slavery in America, by contrast, ended 150 years ago. People of color are free to go back to Africa if they choose, or they can stay here and play by the same rules as everyone else. Nobody’s still legally oppressing them.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:56 am
FEAR THE SPEAR!!!
GO AZTECS!!
Thx Chico.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Remember Garrett Morris on ‘Saturday Night Live’ shilling for the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’?
“If you feel guilty for the years of oppression that your ancestors inflicted on mine, AND YOU SHOULD, then send your money to the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’”
Always liked Garrett. Thought he was under appreciated.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:59 am
i think the nfl should have to interview at least one indian for coaching jobs. also why havent we seen more indian quarterbacks? the nfl is racist lmao
if we can get jarvis at 3 i say take him
January 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Remember Garrett Morris on ‘Saturday Night Live’ shilling for the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’?
“If you feel guilty for the years of oppression that your ancestors inflicted on mine, AND YOU SHOULD, then send your money to the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’”
Always liked Garrett. Thought he was under appreciated.
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Exactly. Now you have victicrats like Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Raider O saying “Some of your ancestors may have oppressed some of mine. Therefore you owe me money.”
January 26th, 2013 at 9:01 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:46 am
You said “If your ancestors were “abused by others” centuries ago, that has exactly jack squat to do with your life today. Stop living in the past.” Which applies to Native Americans, Jews, and Palestinians. The issue in Israel/ Palestine is a little older than a few centuries.
Do us a favor and stop posting ignorant statements.
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The issues in Israel are going on RIGHT NOW. The Indians are not getting their land back. Those are changes that still exist.
Slavery in America, by contrast, ended 150 years ago. People of color are free to go back to Africa if they choose, or they can stay here and play by the same rules as everyone else. Nobody’s still legally oppressing them.
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Dude,
WTF happened to you? I know we don’t agree on a lot of things, but you need to stop it. I used to think you were a good/ smart poster. You are embarrassing yourself. The effects of slavery still exist today.
Distribution of wealth
Effects on AA culture
Equality which is still an issue and that’s why you have rules like the Rooney rule and affirmative action.
Like I said, stop embarrassing yourself, bad stop posting ignorant statements about things you don’t understand.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 am
And* not bad.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Remember Garrett Morris on ‘Saturday Night Live’ shilling for the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’?
“If you feel guilty for the years of oppression that your ancestors inflicted on mine, AND YOU SHOULD, then send your money to the ‘White Guilt Relief Fund’”
Always liked Garrett. Thought he was under appreciated.
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Exactly. Now you have victicrats like Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Raider O saying “Some of your ancestors may have oppressed some of mine. Therefore you owe me money.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Another ignorant statement by this ignorant monkey.
I never said people owed me money, show me one that i said people owe me money, but I will not refuse any donations.
Like I said, do us and yourself a favor and shut the Eff up and stop posting ignorant statements.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Was reading interesting comments leading upto Raider Duck , who reposted something what Mistic posted 15 hours ago, you tell others to move the fukk on , I think it’s you who needs to move the eff on, every race is hurt by some one in some way or another if they want to express it then let them express it , I understand football blog shouldn’t be the place for that , but it’s already enough arguing with mist1c and scrolling over his posts , but can you guys stop reporting his sh1t from long time ago n stop talkin about him, unless he talks Raiders , I mean not Pryor this Pryor that Palmer this Palmer that , we need to talk about Raiders just ignore everything else on this
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am
We have the Rooney rule in sports and affirmative action, but the ignorant bastard want us to think everything is OK, and slavery was an issue of the past with no effects on our daily lives today.
This Ignorant bastard makes Mistic look like a rocket scientist.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am
NFLN showing Super Bowl II highlights. 45+ years ago.
Big ups to any Semi-Pro who actually drank a beer and watched that game.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:01 am
The effects of slavery still exist today.
Distribution of wealth
Effects on AA culture
Equality which is still an issue and that’s why you have rules like the Rooney rule and affirmative action.
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I’d have more respect for the “effects on AA culture” if such a large segment of black culture didn’t view getting a job, doing well in school, and speaking English correctly as “selling out” or “being white.” And if you think I’m racist for saying this, then check out Bill Cosby’s “Pound Cake” speech. Pay special attention to the part where he mentions you can’t get a job as a doctor or flying an airplane if all you speak is gutter slang.
Equality: Every workplace I’ve ever been in values people of every color equally. I don’t know where you work or where you’ve been, but my Manager is black and she’s the best Manager I’ve ever had. I work for a Fortune 500 company, and it’s completely color-blind as far as I can see. While I don’t deny that some racist jerks still exist in the world, I suspect their effect is far overblown.
Distribution of wealth: It would appear that black Americans are one of the many groups getting screwed by the rich/poor divide. Nothing special there.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am
If you ain’t going to talk Raiders I think you’re on the wrong blog , I under stand freedom of speech , etc , etc, but you shouldn’t ruin others experience on a football blog , because you can’t hold onto your feelings about someone , etc , etc, there are other blogs for that stuff
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Just get each others numbers , then text or call n get your feelings over , leave the football blog
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Sorry guys. I will ignore Duck’s racist posts.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:13 am
So posters were talking about switching to 3-4 ? I think that’s the scheme which is more successful now a days, PM always struggled against it , n you can do a lot of Shiz with it
January 26th, 2013 at 9:14 am
McMonkey,
Stop it. You were posting the Alphabets the other day, and I remember a lot of arguments between you and Mistic.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Thanks O
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am
NFLN showing Super Bowl II highlights. 45+ years ago.
Big ups to any Semi-Pro who actually drank a beer and watched that game.
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SB 11 at 7:00 and SB 15 at 10 FYI
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Duck,
We were having a fine football discussion before YOU brought up this BS.
Again, Thanks!
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 am
NP McMonkey. lol
January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:14 am
McMonkey,
Stop it. You were posting the Alphabets the other day, and I remember a lot of arguments between you and Mistic.
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Yes I was posting alphabets to differ attention away from Mistic this Mistic that n yes I wa arguing with him, because I tried ignoring him for a while , dr rob n other people jus let him hang around by giving him constant attention , n wtf is with you callin names
January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am
SB 11 at 7:00 and SB 15 at 10 FYI
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Are you confessing to have sinned during these games?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:18 am
J,
Remember when you asked why people don’t try to end/ respond to racist BS from guys like Fang, etc…?
That bothered me bro, and I think I responded today. I usually ignore this BS, but today was for you buddy.
Do you feel better?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Thank You Mc20
I had posted the following before things got away form football:
It seems like there is a philosophical difference that will never be reconciled and that is some believe that the game has changed and skill guys can overcome all obstacles if they are good enough.
I come from the camp that believes that Olines create time and space and Dlines destroy time and space.
No matter how prolific the individual, football is a team game. Without enough time and space no skill player linebacker or DB will be able to perform effectively and make plays.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
“Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.””
Without enough time and space Teo gets neutralized by Alabama, Peyton and Brady get swarmed by the Giants and Steelers Dline and become ordinary, CJ and Fitzgerald cannot overcome a lack of running game or poor defense; their teams finishing a dismal 4-12 and 5-11 respectively.
We get pummeled by playoff teams on the line of scrimmage and have for a decade. 9-51 for the last ten years losing by an average of 30-13. That will continue till we fix the lines.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am
I’ll confess, I’ve never sinned, confessed, or lied in my life.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Sorry guys. I will ignore Duck’s racist posts.
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Apologies to everyone offended by Raider O’s ignorance, racism and lack of knowledge. Hopefully, he’ll learn to stop hating everyone who’s not exactly like him.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am
McMonkey,
Don’t be sensitive. You are one of my favorite posters (who knows why), so I gave you a special name.
See White Devil, Llama man, ODB, Chico, etc..
January 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am
If you draft one position it’s also important you should draft another position that will help that position , so if your going to draft Oline , for better pass protection, you should also draft a wife receiver who would get open faster , if you want to draft a Olinemen for better run blocking , you should also draft a better RB, n if you going to draft a CB , you should upgrade your pass rush as well
January 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am
I know, O.
I was laughing at the audacity of that post with you, bruh.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Hey, Raider O, you strike me either as someone who is only trolling on the issue or as someone so confused by what you see, so troubled, that you feel you have to dump on a football blog.
Okay, in aa good faith effort to help you sort through the “why’s”, I offer these. It’ll help you get to a mountaintop from which you can finally see much wider picture of the circumstances that evidently consume you to a degree. Mind you, these sources vary widely in their presentations and in their positions, but taken as a whole, they offer depth and breadth of understanding the “why’s” of human behavior:
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/
January 26th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Charlie Says:
We get pummeled by playoff teams on the line of scrimmage and have for a decade. 9-51 for the last ten years losing by an average of 30-13. That will continue till we fix the lines.
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I agree, but I really didn’t need to see those numbers.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Agreed man, football success at every position is helped out by guys at other positions , we is nothing without good QB and pass protection , pass protection is nothing I you got slow thinking QB and wide receivers who can’t get open , QB is nothin I you got bad Oline an bad receivers , Rba are nothing if teams don’t fear the passing game and guys infront aren’t opening the holes , n most of all you could have the most talented team out there , it will end ups doing nothing , if you don’t got coaches to the team on the same page
January 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am
J,
And that’s exactly why I usually don’t get involved in this racist BS.
Now I’m a troll, ignorant, and racist. lol
January 26th, 2013 at 9:29 am
J,
Remember when you asked why people don’t try to end/ respond to racist BS from guys like Fang, etc…?
That bothered me bro, and I think I responded today. I usually ignore this BS, but today was for you buddy.
Do you feel better?
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I don’t feel better, O.
But thanks, though. Just amazing to me that this stuff even comes out of Raider fans man. We were having a fine football discussion right up until Duck picked at the scab.
So of these guys are so smart they really think they are only “talking to Mistic”?
Does Duck really not realize what he just said to every African American person who reads this blog? And does he really expect folks like your examples to take offense to that thought process???
REALLY????
WTF are you thinking when you type that bullshid??? And you want to try and hide behind “I’m responding to Mistic?”
January 26th, 2013 at 9:30 am
You guys get distracted too easily
January 26th, 2013 at 9:30 am
I forgot to add confused and troubled.
LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Senior bowl game is about to start in 3.5 hours .. Anybody to pay special attention to ?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Ima headto the garage and smoke another bowl.
Hopefully we can get back to calling each other stupic because we disagree on who we should take at 3, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am
I know to keep my eyes on Ot Fischer , DE okafor DT Williams and CB Trufant , anybody else should I focus on?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Ima headto the garage and smoke another bowl.
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Great idea. I need some Cush.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Anybody to pay special attention to ?
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I like watching for the DB’s that seem to have the most ball awareness.
Last year it was easily Casey Heyward and he had a great rookie year.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 am
SB 11 at 7:00 and SB 15 at 10 FYI
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Are you confessing to have sinned during these games?
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Maybe for SB-XV I was just a wee lad for SB 11
January 26th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Mc20
You typically cannot do all that in one draft but I agree with your point.
The way the Raiders became a power was by building the lines with high picks then getting someone to carry the ball with later picks.
Perhaps that was more Ron Wolf than Mr Davis but that is the way we did it;
Hewritt Dixon 8th round by Denver
Clem Daniels Free Agent
Hubbard 11th round
Van Eegahn 3rd round
Clarence Davis 4th round
Banaszak 5th round
Charlie Smith 4th round
Don Highsmith 13th round
The only high round picks we invested on a RB in the history of the Raiders were Allen 1st, Kaufman 1st Bell 2nd and DMAC 1st.
Even Bo was a 7th rounder because of his two sport option.
The same goes for linebackers and secondary.
We typically built strong lines with higher picks or trades then got guys like Lester Hayes in the 5th round or skip Thomas in the 7th round.
I believe Rob Fredrickson is the only LB ever drafted in the first round by the Raiders.
We used to build our teams form the inside out and needless to say we were very successful.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 am
In reference to my post (#908), hell, all the copying and pasting of other’s posts and the names have me confused. What the hell did Raider O say as opposed to the hell did Raider Duck say.
Thus, to whomever, Raider O or Raider Duck or anyone who is stuck on circumscribing today’s issues to slavery of the past and who thus needs to go beyond the superficial, I offer those resources.
It’s like going to a doctor for a pain in your side and the doc says, “Take this little pill, a pain reliever.” You do. For a time, it makes you feel better, but each time you stop taking it, you feel even worse, and it’s clear the problem is getting worse but still the doc only prescribes the little pill, which, of course, never gets to the source of the pain…and never will.
The slavery argument is a little pill… works for a time, salves some emotional wounds, acts as a defensive weapon, but never has…. and never *can* get to the source.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:41 am
MAybe Texas wr
January 26th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Build from the trenches than give then give them play makers on both sides n dont forget to pay attention to line backing crew
January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:32 am
I know to keep my eyes on Ot Fischer , DE okafor DT Williams and CB Trufant , anybody else should I focus on?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
DE D Jones (UCLA)
CB: Trufant, Poyer, and McFadden (Go Aztecs)
OLB: Jamie Collins (S. Miss)
ILB: Reddick (NC)
January 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Raider O Says:
And that’s exactly why I usually don’t get involved in this racist BS.
Now I’m a troll, ignorant, and racist. lol
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Shutdown may not have meant you because of Copy/Pasting ambiguity(I’ll get to that later), but the link he provided is worthy of repeating.
http://www.humanbiologicaldiversity.com/
January 26th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Chico,
Ball Awareness = Poyer
7 INTs last year, and he is making plays at the SR bowl.
Dude may get drafted before X Rhodes.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:29 am
After playing this year under the franchise tag, Spencer’s agent said he hopes to stay with Dallas this offseason.
His agent, Jordan Woy, told Rainer Sabin of the Dallas Morning News that Spencer was ready to make the conversion to 4-3 defensive end, which he played in college at Purdue. The Cowboys are shifting away from their 3-4 under new defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin.
“He told me, ‘I feel like I can play that position. I feel like I can do a great job at it,’” Woy said. “I talked about it with him. He’d love to stay in Dallas but ultimately it is a business and sometimes that works out and sometimes that doesn’t.
“He’s prepared for whatever the situation it is. But if he had his first choice it would be to stay in Dallas.”
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Cmon Reggie!!!!
Go get this guy!
January 26th, 2013 at 11:00 am
If Jerrah decided to tag this guy instead of giving him an extension then we can’t afford him. Besides, Old Man Kiffen is switching to a 4-3 so they’ll make a play to keep Spencer around, which will just drive his price up further.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Would rather have Howie’s son, Long out of OU at RT than Jake, better and cheaper.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Senior bowl game is about to start in 3.5 hours .. Anybody to pay special attention to ?
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I want to watch a couple of Beavers that I have followed for several years at OSU. Wheaton at WR and Poyer at CB. Normally don’t think that Beavers can help Raiders much but I think the catching ability and speed of Wheaton might develop into a #1 WR and Poyer is just really a good player all around. His lack of speed will probably hurt him at combine and he may drop to far. I know Davis seemed to always draft speed at corner but 2/3 best Raider corners Hayes and Brown I do not think were that fast. Haynes the other who came as a FA was fast.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Anyone watching these crazy mo-fo’s on ESPN?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:22 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:06 am
Would rather have Howie’s son, Long out of OU at RT than Jake, better and cheaper.
$$$$$$$$
6′6, 305, with 32″ arms. Pass!
January 26th, 2013 at 11:26 am
So who is the OC for the game with DA?
Is it our new guy?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Senior bowl game is about to start in 3.5 hours .. Anybody to pay special attention to ?
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I want to watch a couple of Beavers that I have followed for several years at OSU. Wheaton at WR and Poyer at CB. Normally don’t think that Beavers can help Raiders much but I think the catching ability and speed of Wheaton might develop into a #1 WR and Poyer is just really a good player all around. His lack of speed will probably hurt him at combine and he may drop to far. I know Davis seemed to always draft speed at corner but 2/3 best Raider corners Hayes and Brown I do not think were that fast. Haynes the other who came as a FA was fast.
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I know. I’ve been following a couple of beavers around closely for awhile myself. Ha. I’m here all week.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:30 am
I have no idea. I’m going to focus on the talent. There are a lot of value picks in rounds 2-4. I’m expecting 4 starters from early- mid rounds.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:32 am
hey My Brothas:
Stuck out here on the East Coast — want to know what the latest local update is on a stadium. Last I checked, they were still talking about a major expansion on the O.Co property, but is that even realistic?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:34 am
We need to build the trenches
January 26th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Senior bowl game is about to start in 3.5 hours .. Anybody to pay special attention to ?
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Yeah. The Raider coaching staff. If DA gets humiliated it may not sit well with Reggie and Mark. If DA gets embarrassed, oh boy. Could be a legacy day for DA. Don’t know. But it will give you some idea of what to expect from the staff. That’s all I’m looking at.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am
I would love to trade down into the teens, get Te’O, get a 2nd and take RB Franklin, and in the 3rd get the Honey Badger.
And ideally sandbag an extra pick or two from the trade downs in the later rounds.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Te’O = a ton of hype
January 26th, 2013 at 11:38 am
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Coliseum Authority to study plans for new Oakland Raiders football stadium and entertainment district
By Paul T. Rosynsky Oakland Tribunecontracostatimes.com
Posted: 01/25/2013 05:10:08 PM PST
January 26, 2013 4:38 PM GMTUpdated: 01/26/2013 08:38:02 AM PST
OAKLAND — The city’s dream of remaining the home of at least one professional sports franchise continued Friday as the governing board overseeing the coliseum complex agreed to spend $1 million studying new stadium proposals.
Dubbed “Coliseum City,” the proposal calls for a construction of an entertainment and sports district on the 1,000 acres of land where the O.co Coliseum and Oracle Arena now stand.
The project models itself after the vibrant L.A. Live development in downtown Los Angeles anchored by Staples Arena that houses three professional sports teams. The development also has several entertainment options including a theater, restaurants and bars.
Although the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum complex currently houses three professional teams, only the Oakland Raiders appear willing to look at future options at the site.
The Oakland Athletics have ruled the city out as a future home and the Golden State Warriors are seeking to construct a new arena in San Francisco.
The Oakland Raiders have agreed to work with city and county leaders in seeking studies to determine if Coliseum City is feasible. The team said it will help fund part of the $1 million approved Friday for two studies.
The studies will include a site plan and development scenarios with a focus on the Raiders being the anchor tenant.
Raidertothe bone here you go.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Joekel, Louteleli or Werner. One of those three will be available for us at #3 (unless we trade down, in order to garner another pick).
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am
JRJ:
Thanks for the update. I still think Mark will sell the team and it’s going to move on down the road – back to L.A.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am
as the governing board overseeing the coliseum complex agreed to spend $1 million studying new stadium proposals.
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A million dollars????
Couldn’t you review 4 or 5 bids in a 3 hour Power Print and bring in some Panera Bread for lunch?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 am
If you ain’t going to talk Raiders I think you’re on the wrong blog , I under stand freedom of speech , etc , etc, but you shouldn’t ruin others experience on a football blog , because you can’t hold onto your feelings about someone , etc , etc, there are other blogs for that stuff
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This coming from a guy who is obsessed with Mystic and Tj? That’s what ruins the blog for me. All the constant and excruciating hate spewed upon Mystic and Pryor. When you have to skip over all the Pryor hate you do pass over some decent posts. Anyway, I’m excited to see what Pryor can do with proper coaching. I’m sure he’ll start at #2, but in the long run I think he is better built for a crappy o line than Palmer.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 am
as the governing board overseeing the coliseum complex agreed to spend $1 million studying new stadium proposals.
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A million dollars????
Couldn’t you review 4 or 5 bids in a 3 hour Power Print and bring in some Panera Bread for lunch?
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Unfortunately most those costs go into impact studies. And the reality is it will cost even more for extensive reviews and permits. This first step is more of a probe to assess costs.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am
946,
The Pryor hate is not as prevalent as some want to imagine.
It’s gotten to the point that merely questioning his passing ability has turned into a racial slam according to a few over defensive posters.
99% of the questioning of Pryor is an honest concern about the QB position of our favorite team.
NOT all of the time..but most of it.
I’m on record as saying I wanted him to start the last 3 games of the year and it would have given us a better idea as to what he’s got at this level.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Stadium is just fine, just upgrade some stuff, move the bleachers closer to field once the A’s leave, i fukkin hate that infield, when the f8ck are the A’s going to move to San jose, god move already,
January 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Stfu chestnut, u coward. First, u show up in alias, so ur clearly a chicken sh1t. Secondly, u ONLY talk about how poor missdick and priest are getting attacked hated on and poor Pryor , but u fail to mention missdick’s hideous bigotry and priests lies and all their Palmer hate. So fu€k u since ur obviously one of them.
Aliases that have never been here (and that misspell boulevard) get no respect here.
Now fu€k off.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:49 am
946,
The Pryor hate is not as prevalent as some want to imagine.
It’s gotten to the point that merely questioning his passing ability has turned into a racial slam according to a few over defensive posters.
99% of the questioning of Pryor is an honest concern about the QB position of our favorite team.
NOT all of the time..but most of it.
I’m on record as saying I wanted him to start the last 3 games of the year and it would have given us a better idea as to what he’s got at this level.
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Man let’s forget about QB position all together, it’s the worst kinda topic on here, agree with me? let pryor worshippers talk him up, let them bash palmer and vice versa, we just need to stay away from topic, i believe in Reg to start the best players and lead us back to glory, i will sport each n every player on the team unless they give up Like Romac and DEnarious Moore
January 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Stadium sucks, hate to say it.
Not NFL quality.
Only going to get worse when SF has a world class new-aged joint hosting Super Bowls.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Witout rehashing all the associated BS with the mention Pryor’s name here, what do all realistically think he is worth in trade at this point?
I think *maybe* a 4th, and that’s 2-3 rounds higher than he would’ve been prior salvaging enough potential out of an otherwise weak start. He would be a good backup type to groom for a team like Carolina that is already committed to gimmicky, running QB systems.
If they can get a 4th, then I saw pull the trigger. That’s the ideal place to pick up some good value in this deep draft, especially with the coaching staff getting some deeper looks at the talent that will be around then in the Sr. Bowl.
Why trade Pryor? Because he needs a completely different system to be remotely successful. There’s no point in building two different systems at the cost of all the non-QBs having to learn a bunch of extra stuff and diluting the primary system.
Olson’s history is around historically built around savvy, high yardage pocket passers, so don’t delude yourselves into thinking he’s going to try and copy any read-option, pistol BS. He’ll build around the proven guy that works in his system, Palmer, and they’ll bring in a lower priced veteran version like Leftwich or Clemens as the backup and then hope they won’t have to play him, much like they’ve done before with Boller and Leinhart.
Or, if they really wanted to piss of the CP3 haters, they could go get little brother Jordan, since Olson is familiar with him from the Jags. I’d sign him to compete for a backup spot JUST for the stuff it’d stir up in here
January 26th, 2013 at 11:54 am
DJ, agree. Pryors arm may be of a concern, but I think if he puts in the work in the off season and has legit coaching, he’ll be all right.
Also, if he was able to start the last 3 games, which he should have, he may not have been as tentative perhaps and thus less complaining about a duck or two he may have thrown.
But his intangibles are worth the wait. Potentially he brings a lot to the table.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:55 am
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Stfu chestnut, u coward. First, u show up in alias, so ur clearly a chicken sh1t. Secondly, u ONLY talk about how poor missdick and priest are getting attacked hated on and poor Pryor , but u fail to mention missdick’s hideous bigotry and priests lies and all their Palmer hate. So fu€k u since ur obviously one of them.
Aliases that have never been here (and that misspell boulevard) get no respect here.
Now fu€k off.
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Let him say what ever man , just scroll over his post, that’s what i did, can you do the same? for just one day lol
January 26th, 2013 at 11:58 am
I don’t think we will try to stay with both Pryor and Palmer, Reg will commit to one and will try to get the best deal for one of them , unless they think Pryors potential could be used at WR and other stuff, i just don’t see both being on the team at the end of the year
January 26th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Man, I can’t believe how many typos I generate in here. It’s not like I can blame spell check either.
Too much stream of thought high speed typing into an editor that is so laggy that it misses keystrokes.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
We need to take our #3 pick this year and find a way to parley it into resources to secure the drafting of Jake Mathews in the first round next year. Mathews will be an all pro RT, maybe even a stud LT.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Good afternoon DMC20, O, JFB, Bone… NATION!
January 26th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am
If you draft one position it’s also important you should draft another position that will help that position , so if your going to draft Oline , for better pass protection, you should also draft a wife receiver who would get open faster , if you want to draft a Olinemen for better run blocking , you should also draft a better RB, n if you going to draft a CB , you should upgrade your pass rush as well
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While you nuts were arguing about race in America, you missed an interesting concept introduced by mc20.
“Wife receiver”….
January 26th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
I don’t have much use for these 2 6ths and 7ths we have, and maybe even some comp picks in those rounds.
Schlepp them off with a player maybe and move up 10 spots here in there, IMO.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Good afternoon DMC20, O, JFB, Bone… NATION!
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Afternoon TRDR, Where have you been ?
January 26th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Scourge Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:21 am
If you draft one position it’s also important you should draft another position that will help that position , so if your going to draft Oline , for better pass protection, you should also draft a wife receiver who would get open faster , if you want to draft a Olinemen for better run blocking , you should also draft a better RB, n if you going to draft a CB , you should upgrade your pass rush as well
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While you nuts were arguing about race in America, you missed an interesting concept introduced by mc20.
“Wife receiver”….
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HAHAHHAHA , ROFLMAO, usually i double check my posts, just missed out on that one lol
January 26th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Afternoon, JFB, Doc, Z, all..
January 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Pryor has almost zero draft value as does Palmer and DHB so forget about trading for any picks.
Pryor is widely considered by the majority of the league to not be an NFL QB so nobody gives a draft pick unless its like a throw-away 7th rounder – why take that for a guy who can help you in the red zone this year and could be a decent backup for you for the next couple of seasons?
Palmer is considered mediocre and on the downslide but makes elite money – top 5 has 2 monster years $13 million in 2013 and $17 in 2014. He isn’t going anywhere folks and is the unquestioned starter in 2013. Expect him to restructure (again).
DHB has a top 10 contract is at the bottom of every starting WR stat category. He should be released this year and will get a league minimum offer (if at all) for another squad to compete for a backup spot and then we can resign him for league minimum and make him compete to start.
DMAC has never had a 1000 yd season, been injured every year, coming off his worst season, with 1 yr left in a big number contract – someone *might* dangle a late (5th or lower) round pick but I doubt it. I think he’s still got something left and can thrive in the right system. His value is so low right now, I think the smart move is to extend his contract for another 3 years at a reasonable price and get him some big-back help. He’s very effective as a RB/WR hybrid and should be used more that way. He’s never had serious surgery (like a knee) and is still a home run hitter and bruiser when going north-south and has excellent hands (best on the team).
January 26th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
btw, if you haven’t seen Marquette King booming kicks – check this out – 60+ yards in the air with 5.5 second hang times – insane..
http://www.kohlsnews.com/news/video-nfl-punter-marquette-king-crushing-punts
January 26th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Fck mystic and anyone who defends him he’s the biggest pos in this blog by far. It’s time we all ingore the lil black nazi I know we like to mess with him for our entertainment me and rob especially but if we ignore him I’m sure he will go away he just craves attention his life at home is pathetic and I’m sure he has no friends fck imagine if that pshyco was Ur neighbor or relative that would suck anyway’s I kno I’ve said it before but I’m not responding to him anymore everyone on the board has my word
January 26th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
I think it’s as clear as can be what they plan on doing. Every hire and every interview makes it obvious.
1) Palmer is the qb. Olson’s offense will be geared toward Palmer/DMc.
2) They will allow Pryor to have the offseason and preseason to work at qb, and give him a chance to show he has a chance to actually take over from Palmer in time. So he will need to show improvement.
3) in the meantime, they will try to use Pryor in ways that he can help now. Hence, the Sparano hiring, given his experience in both traditional and read option type schemes. So Pryor will get on the field in creative ways that will focus on his strengths. His preseason passing will dictate everything regarding the plays he’s involved in.
The Olson/Sparano hires indicate this.
The quotes regarding feeling good about Palmer moving forward.
The quote from Reggie regarding needing to show u can pass too.
Olsons quotes about trying to figure out how Pryor can best help.
It’s all there if u want to see it.
Or u can pretend and twist and simply make things up. But that won’t make it happen.
This isn’t the wizard of oz. saying it three times (or 300) won’t make it happen.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Marquette King looks jacked and is an athlete – can be dangerous in the fake punt game. Teams don’t do nearly enough of (or at least threaten to). Game changer when you can convert those and helps the kick coverage when it has to be defended.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Ian, there is one thin about Mistic1 you have to admire: his use of the period.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Get scourge.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I mean hey scourge.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Sorry, Ian, couldn’t resist.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I was not at all impressed with King last preseason.
Couldn’t hold first of all, which could be a major issue, got one punt blocked because he took an hour and a half to kick it, and “boomed” a lot of 55+ yarders with no hang time, a returners dream.
Can’t pay Shane, who wasn’t very impressive on the season either for that matter, and need to go with someone else, but we better have a plan B aside from King.
Draft a punter with one of our last 7th round picks (Accardi or the dude from LSU maybe) and let them duke it out in camp.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Scourge. PERIOD is trademarked by one of the other stooges.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
*thing
January 26th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Marquette King looks jacked and is an athlete – can be dangerous in the fake punt game. Teams don’t do nearly enough of (or at least threaten to). Game changer when you can convert those and helps the kick coverage when it has to be defended.
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Never thought of it like that, interesting
January 26th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Like I told u guys. Punting wave of the future. Ur all owned!
January 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Funny Raiders and Miami both beat Minnesota and Washington in superbowls
January 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
KICKIN’ IT 4 REAL WITH SHAQUILLE O’NEAL
What up dorks
Just finished gettin hella laid by my girl Cinnamon, its our 3 day anniversary of being together
Gonna celebrate by hooking up with the MILF from the pool party at her crib, whut whut. Gonna send Cinnamon down to the pier again on her skateboard to score more chronic
Should be enough time to slip the Beeeech Lawg into the MILF’s cooter, grab a Subway Club, and be back in the jacuzzi before she rolls up
Then we’ve got Rasta Ganja practice in the ballroom next to Moray’s
Should be a sweet day on the blog, will keep you losers up to date on all things Dawggy Style
SHOUT OUT TO MY BOY FAB 5 FREDDY
January 26th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Senior Bowl pregame about to start
January 26th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Whiners already left for NO , while Ravens will leave on Monday, different tactics
January 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
The draft needs to be our priority, especially since we have another season of fiscal austerity before clearing out the books.
Trade back, pad the lines with fodder for Sparano. A sound running game with DMAC in a contract year will help Carson immensely.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
I meant to say already in NO
January 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Sorry scourge sometimes I just get carried away and forget.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
That just gives Crabtree another weekend to get involved in an “incident”
January 26th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
papertiger418 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
The draft needs to be our priority, especially since we have another season of fiscal austerity before clearing out the books.
Trade back, pad the lines with fodder for Sparano. A sound running game with DMAC in a contract year will help Carson immensely.
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That’s what we will do, i doubt we would get a #1 WR , so getting back to a beast running game is our best choice, it will open up the play action, hopefully the receiving group is little bit improved from last year
January 26th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Stadium sucks, hate to say it.
Not NFL quality.
Only going to get worse when SF has a world class new-aged joint hosting Super Bowls.
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And playing in them.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Marquis Goodwin, WR from TEXAS is the one to keep the eyes on, really fast, and can return punts and kicks, according to NFL NETWORK SCOUT
January 26th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Arizona gives us some picks to move up for geno smith.
Rams give us more picks to move up for Millner.
With the 16th overall pick the Raiders select Manti T’eo/Chance Warmack
January 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Outside of the voiding Richard Seymour deal, the Raiders’ five biggest contracts, belonging to Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tommy Kelly, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff, are projected to account for a staggering $59,055,684 against the salary cap in 2013. That total equates to 48.8 percent of the projected NFL salary cap of $121 million.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Like I told u guys. Punting wave of the future. Ur all owned!
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You know, I was going to say something like:
“With all due respect, Doctor, I’m taking credit for starting that one like a month ago.”
Then did some research and you got the trademark here in http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/12/10/lechler-looking-toward-the-future-uncertain-what-it-holds/ post #73.
I did pile on in the same post, so I can’t claim to own with this. But I can maybe sublet part of it?
January 26th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Marquette King looks jacked and is an athlete – can be dangerous in the fake punt game. Teams don’t do nearly enough of (or at least threaten to). Game changer when you can convert those and helps the kick coverage when it has to be defended.
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Never thought of it like that, interesting
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Yeah, but you need to be an effective punter first and foremost. Otherwise, teams will scheme for the fake as much as for the return.
It’s no different than the running QBs that aren’t very good passers. They aren’t dual threat, they are one and half threats and not that hard to scheme against.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Ha Ha, Nob Bust and his BFF McFailin’ rubbing their hard-ons all over eachother’s buttcracks
One day you’d think Nob would actually have to go to the park to coach his flag football squad. Someone’s gotta get the trash can full of flags out of the maintenance shed, holla
Either way, more HELLA DOPE entertainment for my Blog Brahs and the Beeech Diggity
SHOUT OUT TO THE PMPP N THE PLACE 2 B
January 26th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Zymurge–u were in early so u are part of it. So when he makes minced meat outta the Lechler Lovers, we will rub it in their faces and Laugh Out Loud and Laugh Our Fu€king Azzes Off and Roll On The Floor Laughing, cuz that’s what it’s all about. Finding a player to hang our hat on, and create as much of an “us vs. them” vibe as possible, and if it ever happens, have a blog victory that makes our life more tolerable.
Punting New Wave!
January 26th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
So right now our strongest part of team is Passing game, with return to PBS, it should be the running game, even without much upgrade on the Oline, we would most likely pick up 1 starter in FA and some depth in FA for Oline, maybe a decent WR to challenge for #2/#3 spot and some project receiver in Draft.
The weakest part of the team is the Pass D, both coverage and pass rush, being below average/ average, We’re sure to spend some big time money on a good pass rusher, or pick a pass rusher in 1st round, and maybe get a decent CB or FS in FA and draft a CB in Middle round, we’ll draft MLB and after between 5-7th rd , UDFA signings would mostly be Secondary players, and along the Dline , with few MLBs to improve our depth at that spot
January 26th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Pryor has almost zero draft value as does Palmer and DHB so forget about trading for any picks.
Pryor is widely considered by the majority of the league to not be an NFL QB so nobody gives a draft pick unless its like a throw-away 7th rounder – why take that for a guy who can help you in the red zone this year and could be a decent backup for you for the next couple of seasons?
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I think your first and last statements are somewhat contradictory. You say that Pryor has no trade value, or at best a 7th that as you say, is mostly throwaway, given that few make NFL rosters. Then you say that Pryor has legit value for the Raiders as a RZ option and backup to develop.
The second statement would indicate that he is worth more than a 7th to the Raiders. It says he should not only make the 2013 roster be also stay on fir the next several for grooming and an eventual staritng role. That’s more in line with the territory of 4th or 5th rounders, or even 3rd rounders for a key position like QB.
If that’s the case, wouldn’t he also be worth more to another team, particularly if they already have a better system in place to suit his, umm, unique skill set? If instead he worth way more to the Raiders than any other team, then it sounds more like the common case of the fans of that team over-valuing those on their roster and under-valuing those on other teams.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Some idiot thinks its football season. I guess he’s too busy watching the lakers crumble like his life’s dreams.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Kind of an odd commercial there on NFLN. Who was the guy on violin?
January 26th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
I was not at all impressed with King last preseason.
Couldn’t hold first of all, which could be a major issue, got one punt blocked because he took an hour and a half to kick it, and “boomed” a lot of 55+ yarders with no hang time, a returners dream.
Can’t pay Shane, who wasn’t very impressive on the season either for that matter, and need to go with someone else, but we better have a plan B aside from King.
Draft a punter with one of our last 7th round picks (Accardi or the dude from LSU maybe) and let them duke it out in camp.
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King is the punter in 2013 and I think he’ll be good. They wouldn’t have given him a contract and they kept him on the IR squad if he wasn’t going to be the guy in 2013.
We just don’t any have extra picks this year to draft punters. King might not be Lechler but honestly how many games did having the #1 paid punter win us over the years? *Maybe* a handful over a decade but not close to worth it when the team can’t get above .500. King will come cheap and will service us just fine and he might do alot better than that.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Pryor has questionable trade value. He’s a wild card. I think he would pull in a 6th at best. Just hasn’t shown enuff as a qb for a team to TRADE for him.
But we should keep him cuz he’s already here and costs us nothing to see how it pans out.
Palmer would likely command a #3 at this stage of his career.
January 26th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
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What I’m saying is people who think we’re going to get picks for Pryor are high. Same ones that think we’re getting picks for Palmer and DHB too. Ain’t happenin people – move on.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Do any of you guys know whether they develop new playbooks for the Senior Bowl every year? Do the respective coaching staffs comes up with them? Or do they use the same ones every year?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
They wouldn’t have given him a contract and they kept him on the IR squad if he wasn’t going to be the guy in 2013.
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Keeping him on IR was certainly a “tell” that they don’t plan on keeping Shane, but it only cost us 150K, not like they made some huge committment to him.
There will be more than one punter in camp, and the best punter will win.
King has this boom or bust potential that is nerve-racking. His final year, he was 8th in D-II and somewhere in the 30’s over the whole NCAA.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Hello semis, blog goobers and racists!!!
who is gonna watch the game?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Pryor is easily 4th rd trade value
January 26th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Plunketthead Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Hello semis, blog goobers and racists!!!
who is gonna watch the game?
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I WILL
January 26th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Feel like I want all these guys to screw up today so they are avail in the 3rd round, lol.
Guys like Jon Jenkins and Ezekiel.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
what about the Romney Rule?
bring in the stormin’ Mormon Danny Southwick to compete at QB
slash Palmer’s salary too.. not just DHB’s !!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
http://www.vipboxdottv/american-football/6455/2/nfl-network-live-stream-online.html
watch it here for those of you unfortunate like me lol
January 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Saw Al Saunders there on field giving advice…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
just copy and paste the link, and switch dot for .
January 26th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
This Patton kid at WR was the bell of the ball all week in practice according to the various blog notes.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
South team has much better players from better Unis
January 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
why would you trade your QB of the future?
so dumb.
you think the Donkey fans are shopping Osweiler, like you clowns are trying to shop Pryor?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
They wouldn’t have given him a contract and they kept him on the IR squad if he wasn’t going to be the guy in 2013.
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Keeping him on IR was certainly a “tell” that they don’t plan on keeping Shane, but it only cost us 150K, not like they made some huge committment to him.
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But why give him 150k at all then? To play head games with Lechler? You don’t need a ‘tell’ – Lechler is a FA. Makes no sense to pay King anything unless you want to keep him. Not saying there won’t be punters in camp to compete with – but they obviously see something in King and won’t be drafting any punters that’s for sure.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
why would you trade your QB of the future?
so dumb.
you think the Donkey fans are shopping Osweiler, like you clowns are trying to shop Pryor?
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Draft picks, is the only reason we’re discussing that
January 26th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Hey Jim Schwartz is not wearing Lions colors/gear!!!!
Wasn’t that the big uproar when Lance was there for us?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
same ole problems with the special teams as the Raiders had
January 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Raiders GM is impressed by Pryor and plans to let him compete for the starting job.
2 days later 100 Raider fans are trying to shop him for a bag of skittles after 1 NFL start
logic never met some of you
January 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
But why give him 150k at all then?
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Save him from being on the PS.
They obvisously see potential in him, not disagreeing with that, just saying putting the guy on IR doesn’t necessarly mean he has the job already.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
North special teams gives up a big return on opening kickoff and then facemasks at the end – yep, this is the Raiders coaching staff…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Dang, too bad the Raiders don’t have any speed demons at KR/PR
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
1022,
Ha. I was gonna say…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Cuz he’s not our qb of the future. He can’t pass. Duh.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Jordan Hill representin’ Penn State!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
So the UCLA guys play on the North and the Stanford and Cal guy play for the South?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Draft picks, is the only reason we’re discussing that
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M20
you can’t attempt to gain draft picks from PROVEN LOSERS like Kelly, Branch, McClain, Huff or Palmer?
you have to trade the 23 year old entering his 3rd year, who costs us next to nothing to keep on the roster?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
But they didn’t had a special teams coach until we hired Bobby April 3 days ago
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Contrary to what’s being sold here, it was never said by Reggie or and raider coach that he would be competing for the starting spot. Never.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Draft picks, is the only reason we’re discussing that
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M20
you can’t attempt to gain draft picks from PROVEN LOSERS like Kelly, Branch, McClain, Huff or Palmer?
you have to trade the 23 year old entering his 3rd year, who costs us next to nothing to keep on the roster?
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All of them are included, we will try to get picks for all of them
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Afternoon, P-head
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
He can’t pass. Duh.
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based upon??
his 1st NFL start!!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
fire baby
Are you disappointed in that shameful performance your favorite politician put on the other day?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Yo, the Beeech Dawg was just packing his pipe and humming this amazing melody
The I put words to it and it instantly became this inspirational pump up jam
Gotta record this quick and send the demo to the Super Bowl committee to play before kickoff
Check this sick flow:
All my homies in the house just said WHAT UP?
They said WHUT UP? They said WHAT UP?
All my homies in the house just said WHAT UP?
Then they cruised down Beeech Dawg Lane
DON’T BE AFRAID TO SHED THAT TEAR, Y’ALL
January 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
A lot of people here would have u believe Manuel just “led” his team to a td. He’s awesome!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
back at you
Scourge Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Afternoon, P-head
January 26th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Williams kid (Safety) at Georgia impressed me during the season, but during ANYTHING about him this week.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Don’t see Sprano anywhere
January 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Whaddup, Beeech.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Based upon……EVERY PASS I’ve ever seen him throw.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Are you disappointed in that shameful performance your favorite politician put on the other day?
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She was not my “fav” but she looks like a hot mess these days.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Dr Bob,
read it again:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/1/24/3909174/oakland-raiders-gm-mckenzie-terrelle-pryor-carson-palmer
January 26th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
@T2Fitness: @CorkOnTheNFL Do you think DHB played his last game as a Raider?” — At his current salary, yes. Pay cut or hit the road time.
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At what salary is DHB worth it? I can’t think of anything over than vet min to be honest.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
same ole problems on O side LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
I thought Knapp was in Hawaii. Why is he coaching the north squad?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Based upon……EVERY PASS I’ve ever seen him throw.
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break it down please. you’ve got the time
January 26th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
pay full attention to senior bowl, catch up wid u guys later
January 26th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
RR WHO SAID WE WERE SHOPPING PRYOR
January 26th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
CDE,
Knapp’s offense wasn’t a fit for King Darrius.
He will thrive in 2013, just like Pryor & McFadden
January 26th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Scourge Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Whaddup, Beeech.
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Takin’ that skunk straight the the head, fizzle
January 26th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Does Olson wear a visor?
If so,that would be the hat trick with DA and Tarver.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Mayock just said Jon Jenkins will be a 1st or 2nd.
Damn, was hoping to get him in the early 3rd.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
firebaby
I am sickened by all of them. They all lie and never get asked tough questions. Its like the reporters are afraid of them
January 26th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Whoever #15 is on the North just got himself off my draft board.
WTF was that?
Eye-test
January 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
DA’s defense getting shredded by the South.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Looks like the North cant keep up.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
DA suckin balls.
Off. Def. ST suckin.
North has already mailed it in.
Reggie and Mark already pissed. DAs nutz already in the grinder. No fckn def.
Sound familiar DA nutt huggers?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
North squad getting blown up. Another fail by DA.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
DA couldn’t coach his way out of a wet paper bag
January 26th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
that’s a heavy pass catchin TE.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
North doesn’t seem prepared.
Talent level has to be the same..or close in these games for the most part.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Good thing DA is a defensive minded coach or North might’ve got down early in this one.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
i see DA continues his winning ways…but it must be the players…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
The HEADLINE says there’s a competition. Nobody said it. Not Reggie. Not Allen. It’s a great example of the media misconstruing something for hype.
Because of the hype, Allen was asked about it. He said palmers been very good and they’re happy moving forward with him.
He reiterated that Pryor will be given an opportunity to show what he can do.
This so-called “open competition” is a lie.
As for his passing, he throws too many rainbow ducks, dirt balls, and way off targets. His passing sucks.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Not much of a balanced offense. Is this what we can expect to see next season?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
U guys are too much. The coaches for these teams are basically babysitters and observers. U can’t control how well or poorly these kids play. It’s an all star game.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
North doesn’t seem prepared.
Talent level has to be the same..or close in these games for the most part.
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Wonder if he’ll throw the players under the bus.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
I feel sorry for the kids on the North. DA is costing them millions.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
oh it us the players again…lmao…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
I think I need to find an “advanced” blog.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Not making excuses, just throwing it out there for debate..
What’s more telling.. DA’s staff beating the Lion’s staff in the preseason last year or the 1st quarter of this game?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Is this just a DA thing? Getting blown out by everyone u play?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Lmao DA=coach and plater killa…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
playa killer^
January 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Schwartz is eating DA for lunch.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
but its the talent level…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
or he is handicapped by the salary cap…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Serious question: do u guys realize how stupid u sound? Blaming a coach who has had a week with a collection of random players?
Ur telling me it’s NOT the players?
They’re the fu€king ones on the field playing the game!
Too idiotic to fathom.
U should have ur fan cards taken away and be sent to Alaska.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Actually Reggie Mckenzie did say it about pryor in his sirius radio interview 2 days ago
Loves pryor as a leader and abililty to make plays. Wants to see him take over games in preseason and wants to see the new OC work with PRYOR on what he does best.
There will be an open competition at the QB spot in preseason said mckenzie
Mckenzie wants PRYOR at Qb
so…
January 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
or it was his late start….
January 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
and Ej Manuel looks way better then GLennon
LOL someone gonna draft glennon in the first rouund? yikes
January 26th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
maybe it was gregg knapp at oc?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
wow people. you can’t press or blitz on D. Also you are only allowed limited formations. This game is a showcase for these kids’ skills, not a competition of coaching wit
January 26th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
It is an all star game but i’m sure DA is trying to win.
It’s still early.
Maybe DA has tricks up his sleeve.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
punt again?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
There…he got a stop.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Reggie NEVER said Pryor is competing for starting spot. It NEVER was said. Ur taking what he DID say and changing it to what u WANT it to be.
Show me a QUOTE. U can’t do it.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Looks like our future punt returner!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
DA trick? ive seen it before….blame other people.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Djjohnny–they’re observing players. That’s what’s important to them. They don’t care about winning. Why would they?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
This is a scrimmage. They’re calling plays to see what players they’re interested in can do.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Nassib has a funky throwing motion
January 26th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
We could use that Harvard FB.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
I LOVE all the Oregon uniforms and helmets.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
DA has never cared about winning…youre right.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Reggie NEVER said Pryor is competing for starting spot. It NEVER was said. Ur taking what he DID say and changing it to what u WANT it to be.
Show me a QUOTE. U can’t do it.
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open competition.. if pryor is the best qb..or gives them the best option at the offense.. he will start. Not hard to figure out.
Ravens are not having any open competition next year.. nor or the Packers
January 26th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
and Ej Manuel looks way better then GLennon
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Mistic is on a roll the last couple of years.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Regardless of the Senior Bowl. When are we going to see DA do *anything* positive?
We sure haven’t yet and and we likely won’t because this is not HC material. Did you see him strutting around during the week? His ‘miked up’ session was laughable. The most he even spoke was trying to make a joke to a lineman about his shoes were too ‘red’ – seriously. The lineman even was like ‘really dude, they gave me these shoes’. Then he made some stupid smirk to a WR about coming out of the huddle too soon – omg..
At least Tarver was out there actually coaching guys up.
I know why he’s here and he’s holding a clipboard till we get this cleaned up – but counting the days till they move on from DA – he’s an embarrassment.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
MOBILE, Ala.
Terrelle Pryor made his first NFL start for the Oakland Raiders in the 2012 season finale.
It might not be his last.
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Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie said Tuesday night at the Senior Bowl that Pryor will have a chance to compete for the first-string job this summer in training camp.
“He needs to see if he can take a game over in the preseason, make some plays and carry out a game plan,” McKenzie told me and co-host Jim Miller on Sirius XM NFL Radio. “Let him compete. That’s what it’s all about. If it looks like he can help us win, at the end of the day, that’s what it’s all about. That’s what we want.”
Pryor didn’t win his starting debut last month in Week 17 against San Diego. But he did show marked improvement from the preseason during that 24-21 road loss. Although he completed only 13 of 28 passes for 150 yards with an interception, Pryor threw for two touchdowns and made plays with his legs. He rushed nine times for 49 yards while adding another score.
“It was good to see him go in and implement a game plan,” McKenzie said. “He carried it out, played the game through and showed us what he can do. He definitely flashed some things that we’re going to try and see what we can do with him in the offseason.”
Carson Palmer started Oakland’s first 15 games last season before being sidelined by a rib injury. The Raiders were 4-11 with Palmer under center. Three of those victories came against the teams that finished 2012 tied for the NFL’s worst record at 2-14 – Jacksonville and AFC West rival Kansas City.
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Not all of Oakland’s woes were his fault, but Palmer has failed to become the franchise quarterback the previous Raiders regime thought it was acquiring when sending first- and second-round picks to Cincinnati for his services midway through the 2011 season.
The 33-year-old Palmer is a potential candidate for release because of his scheduled $13 million salary in 2013, but McKenzie didn’t indicate that such a move was in the offing.
“It was unfortunate he had to end the season with an injury,” McKenzie said. “He’s rehabbing and making sure he gets those broken ribs together (to) bounce back so he can compete.”
Pryor was one of the nation’s top college quarterbacks during three seasons at Ohio State. But his violation of NCAA rules for accepting payola along with several teammates led to Pryor entering the 2011 supplemental draft after the NFL’s regular draft was conducted. Pryor became a third-round pick but was forced to serve a five-game suspension for the “deliberate manipulation of (NFL Draft) eligibility rules.”
The ban helped make Pryor’s rookie season a washout. Pryor’s accuracy struggles in the 2012 preseason pushed him into a reserve role behind Palmer and backup journeyman Matt Leinart, who is set to become an unrestricted free agent this offseason.
Pryor, 23, must now impress a new offensive coordinator. The Raiders recently hired Greg Olson from Jacksonville to replace Greg Knapp, who was fired after his unit finished No. 26 in scoring average at 18.1 points per game.
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“That’s fine to be a great athlete,” McKenzie said of Pryor. “We’ve got a lot of great athletes who can run. I want them to be great football players. I want them to take their game plan and execute it. Just make plays.”
Pryor’s future with the Raiders is far brighter than that of linebacker Rolando McClain. The underachieving No. 8 overall pick in the 2010 draft, McClain was suspended two games last season for insubordinate behavior. McClain was recently arrested again when allegedly cursing at a police officer following a traffic violation in his hometown of Decatur, Ala.
Releasing him in the offseason wouldn’t cause the type of salary-cap hit that hindered the Raiders from making such a move in 2012 as McKenzie began the process of overhauling the roster.
“I have not had any conversation with any of the authorities or Rolando for that matter,” McKenzie said. “Hopefully, this matter gets resolved on his behalf.
“It’s unfortunate that these things kind of happen. I would think he would try and do whatever he can this offseason to make sure his career and personal life get on the right track.”
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/terrelle-pryor-will-have-chance-to-start-at-qb-012213
January 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
When all is said and done, someone has to line up the first practice snap under center, and whoever that is has the inside track to the job.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
That’s okay. They’ve been waiting till after this game to announce Gruden.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
DA needed to score that drive to save his bacon. WTF.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
DA stands for dumb aszs…he should be a huddle coach.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Per Jerry Mcdonald.
Dennis Allen on NFL NETWORK
“On quarterbacks Carson Palmer and Terrelle Pryor:
“We’re going to have some competition at that position. Carson Palmer did an outstanding job for us last year. We feel really good about Carson at the quarterback position moving forward, and obviously we want to create competition at all levels of our team; offensively, defensively, in the kicking game. The more competition that you can create, the better your football team is going to be. We’re going to look at that as we’re moving forward, but I feel good about Carson. Terrelle did some nice things in the final game of the season last year, so it’ll be interesting to see how he does as we move forward.”
January 26th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
DA knows about being down by 2 tds….
January 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Dennis Allen is ruining these players careers by not tackling and throwing interceptions…..oh wait.
you guys are ridiculous lol
I like what i see from kyle long so far
January 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
DAspeak. Same ol same ol.
January 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
What a horrible throw.
All these QB’s blow
January 26th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
This game doesnt look good for Dennis Allen.
However Reggie Mckenzie is on the sidline with Joey Clicnksdale director of Pro Personel
Shaun Herock – Director of College scouting
Zack Crockett – Scout
January 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
DAspeak…lol…the new mcxcusing!
January 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
If coaching mattered in these games much, how would teams properly evaluate players?
January 26th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
I asked for a quote and u can’t give me one. Look at the quotes in that story. Show me where it says Pryor is competing for a starting spot. It was NEVER said. End of story.
No open competition.
Missdick touts EVERY black qb. He’s not on a roll. It’s simple law of averages. Nice try.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Former Cornerback Chris Johnson talks about his time in 2011 Raiders.
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“In Oakland, I almost broke down because I didn’t have anyone to talk to. I felt like no one cared.” -Ravens CB Chris Johnson
Christopher Hansen 23m
“Here, not everybody is a loner. You’re not by yourself. These are my brothers.” -Ravens CB Chris Johnson
January 26th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
This may be the senior show case, but your gonna get a good look at 2013 Raiders coaching staff. Or lack there of. DA needs to show some damn spunk. Coach up man. Oh wait. Don’t tell me the north has mailed it in already.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
reggies gut says he has a reservation at dennys during the combine…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Did you guys know tyrone wheatly is coaching rbs for the bills?
January 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Wave of the Future humiliated Glennon that 1st quarter.
GLENNON= EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
asked for a quote and u can’t give me one. Look at the quotes in that story. Show me where it says Pryor is competing for a starting spot. It was NEVER said. End of story.
No open competition.
Missdick touts EVERY black qb. He’s not on a roll. It’s simple law of averages. Nice try.
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Open Competition.. Its open.. Palmer might not even be heatlhy enough .. Pryor just gots to play better then carson in the preseason and the job my be his.
ITs not hard to figure out. Like I said. Niners are not having Open Comp at the qb spot, Seahawks are not, Ravens are not, Pittsburgh is not, etc
January 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Nice throw by Nassib.
EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
remember they said preseason doesnt matter…lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/An-inside-look-at-the-Senior-Bowl-playbook.html
January 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Anybody know how much the seniors get paid to play today?
January 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Bowl
At one point the Senior Bowl was the first chance its participants had to openly receive pay for participation in an athletic event. This was one reason that participation was limited to seniors whose eligibility for further participation in collegiate football had expired, and the game was also their first exposure to the slightly different professional rules.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Regardless of the Senior Bowl. When are we going to see DA do *anything* positive?
We sure haven’t yet and and we likely won’t because this is not HC material. Did you see him strutting around during the week? His ‘miked up’ session was laughable. The most he even spoke was trying to make a joke to a lineman about his shoes were too ‘red’ – seriously. The lineman even was like ‘really dude, they gave me these shoes’. Then he made some stupid smirk to a WR about coming out of the huddle too soon – omg..
At least Tarver was out there actually coaching guys up.
I know why he’s here and he’s holding a clipboard till we get this cleaned up – but counting the days till they move on from DA – he’s an embarrassment.
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Agree 100%
January 26th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
At the very least they’re trying to light a fire under Palmer.
4-11 is 4-11.
He’s gotta be open to scrutiny.
Those quotes leave no doubt Palmer is the # 1, but they don’t want ANYBODY on this team taking ANYTHING for granted.
IF Pryor were to outplay Palmer in camp and preseason than I don’t doubt
January 26th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
da special trick play….punt, again.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
remember they said preseason doesnt matter…lol.
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Man the north look a lot like the 2012 Raiders. Very knappesque. Allen’s bacon getting burnt.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
My computer is ticking me off.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Last year 5 QB’s from this game started a game as a rookie.
I don’t see any QB’s who might ever start game in the NFL.
This is putrid
January 26th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Jordan Hill!Go State!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Scourge Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Anybody know how much the seniors get paid to play today?
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Free lunch at Denny’s with Reggie or free dinner at IHOP with Mark. Their choice.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
DA inspires absolutely no one…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
We need to draft Zac Dysert at # 3.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Last year 5 QB’s from this game started a game as a rookie.
I don’t see any QB’s who might ever start game in the NFL.
This is putrid
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Whatever. Didn’t you say a bunch of nonsense about Russel Wilson last year around this time? I think the smart players stay as far away from this game as possible.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I keep asking for a quote. U keep ignoring that and stating there’s an open competition regardless of ur inability to show a quote saying so.
U keep saying there’s no open competition at other places. I agree.
And there is no open competition here.
SHOW ME A QUOTE. Not ur opinion. U can’t do it.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Ansah, Short, Williams, good pass rushers
January 26th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
I keep having to do real life stuff and miss all the excitement in here. What’d I miss?
January 26th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
DA is used to losing badly so this game is right up his alley.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Only EJ Manuel stood out so far
January 26th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
DA has them right where he wants them…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Wonder where DA going on vacation. Dude needs some time off – he’s been working hard lately.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
BTW bad QB play today is a good thing for us if we want to trade down.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Wonder where DA going on vacation. Dude needs some time off – he’s been working hard lately.
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He’ll go to Switzerland for his breast reduction procedure.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
DA going to have off season t!tty surgery…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
My computer is ticking me off.
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I think it’s ibabuzz that has the issues. I got the same thing. There is so much cookies and adware on this site it bogs down refreshing the page. Probably a lot of spyware too.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
lol…1144 it was too easy…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Former Cornerback Chris Johnson talks about his time in 2011 Raiders.
This is b4 the NEW REGIME
Christopher Hansen 23m
“In Oakland, I almost broke down because I didn’t have anyone to talk to. I felt like no one cared.” -Ravens CB Chris Johnson
Christopher Hansen 23m
“Here, not everybody is a loner. You’re not by yourself. These are my brothers.” -Ravens CB Chris Johnson
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Hue Jackson.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
BTW bad QB play today is a good thing for us if we want to trade down.
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How do you figure?
The biggest premium paid is always for a QB
January 26th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
DA inspires absolutely no one…
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That’s a damn shame. It wasn’t pretty evident last season and looks like he’s infected the north.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Raider8 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Wonder where DA going on vacation. Dude needs some time off – he’s been working hard lately.
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He’ll go to Switzerland for his breast reduction procedure.
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And get that va-jay-jay thing taken care of while he at it.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Mayock just said STar “might be” a top 10 pick.
#3 is way too high for him, IMO
January 26th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
lol…1144 it was too easy…
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Great minds think alike…lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Norths game plan: punt. That’s all they’ve done.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
BTW bad QB play today is a good thing for us if we want to trade down.
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How do you figure?
The biggest premium paid is always for a QB
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Exactly, bad QB play today makes Geno Smith that much more of a must have for QB needy teams
January 26th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Raiders should trade down and draft DION JORDAN.. or that ANSAH Pass Rusher..
January 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Kwann Short and Williams are good middle round prospects, both can get to the QB
January 26th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
DAs half time speech: y’all make sure you pee and cookies over on the table. Meanwhile DA and staff go into his temporary office and crack a few beers.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
BTW bad QB play today is a good thing for us if we want to trade down.
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How do you figure?
The biggest premium paid is always for a QB
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He’s right because it makes Geno and Barkeley higher as the lower guys have shown they’re not worth ‘waiting for’ at lower picks and if you want a top QB you need to pick high. I see Geno and Barkley both moving into the top 10 before the draft happens. Both of them have impressive careers, look the part, have great highlight videos and have top management – both will have stellar pro days and milk it for all its worth.
Hoping we can trade that pick for a 2nd and 5th a 2nd in 2014. Will set up up nicely this draft and for the 2014 draft.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Exactly, bad QB play today makes Geno Smith that much more of a must have for QB needy teams
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Ok..OK…..gotcha.
Good point
January 26th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
1155,
Interesting take.
Don’t be shocked if KC doesn’t try and trade for Flynn.
They need a QB.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I don’t think anyone is paying much in this draft to move up.
We may trade down 2-3 spots and a get 3rd rounder.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
DA spent his halftime on how to properly line up in the huddle…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
If the Eagles get rid of Vick before the draft then the phones will be ringing off the hook for the 3rd overall pick
January 26th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Last year Minny traded from #3 to #4 and got a 4th and a 6th.
So I think if we traded from #3 to say #6, we might get a 3rd rounder.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
If the Jets pull off the Revis trade, they will get a boatload of picks this year – an extra 1st and an extra 2nd this year. They will then be in a much better position to trade up (with us) for Geno.
I hope the Broncos trade for Revis. Revis will cost a fortune and is one more knee injury away from being mediocre (might be already). Broncos are loading up big time for a run and I don’t think they will win it – Manning just not good enough in the playoffs has proven it over and over again. And he’s getting $18 million a year. I love it. This is where we fly under the radar, get better and come out strong in 2014 ready to take back the division. With a new HC of course.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Raider8 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
1155,
Interesting take.
Don’t be shocked if KC doesn’t try and trade for Flynn.
They need a QB.
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Or Foles.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
EJ Manuel seems like a likeable guy
January 26th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I don’t think anyone is paying much in this draft to move up.
We may trade down 2-3 spots and a get 3rd rounder.
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That’s possible, but usually there is a standard for trades as far as value goes…guess it all depends on how bad you want that player. In this draft it is Barkley and Smith. If both are available at 3 i look for the cardinals, bills, or jets to trade ahead and get Smith. If KC picks Smith, Barkley might not be there for them when they pick either
January 26th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
This just in.. you cant judge Dennis allen off this Senior bowl.. he will need at least “3 more senior bowls” before we know.
DA can only coach the pro bowl team haha ikid
January 26th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
I didn’t realize CJ37 had signed with the Ravens in November!?!?
good for him. definitely rooting for that guy next weekend
just looked it up and saw that Stan Routt is now with the Houston Texans (since Dec 4th).
January 26th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Drive of the game. DA needs this score or he knows Reggie is gonna be pissed. If you’re a GM and you at the game and your HC is the coach, you don’t want to be embarrassed.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
TD. DA will not be shutout.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
how about that PBS baby
January 26th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
so DA gets all the credit for that touchdown though right?
January 26th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
LMFAO AT GUYS trying to make sumthing out of a freakin Senior bowl game
January 26th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
That was a nice drive, and Glennon looked good, that drive alone might have pushed him up a round
January 26th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
A must win game for DA.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Maybe CJ37 was referring to Hue letting him take the rest of the season off when his sister passed away.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
LMFAO AT GUYS trying to make sumthing out of a freakin Senior bowl game
+++++++
Part of the fun is blowing everything way out of proportion.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
That TD may have saved Allen’s bacon.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
#DAspeak…the new mcxcusing…
January 26th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
that would be HILARIOUS if Dennis Allen got fired for losing the Senior Bowl after just completing his coaching staff yesterday.
errr…. maybe not
January 26th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
To me I really cant see how the raiders pass up on a guy like Ziggy Ansah. That guy made himself some money today.
Top 15 pick
January 26th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Now all of a sudden those guys shut up lol Al the troll
January 26th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
ANsah is early 2nd, late 1st, no way he’s top 15 yet
January 26th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
This is DA’s “legacy game”.
EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Poor Chris Johnson. Can’t make plays….or friends.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
DA has done nothing to impress me, and in case it’s unclear, NOTHING
January 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
LMFAO AT GUYS trying to make sumthing out of a freakin Senior bowl game
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You honestly think if the south blows the balls of DA Reggie would want him back in Oakland? I’m sure mark wouldn’t allow. But it looks like DAs job is safe, for know.
January 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Jonathan Franklin = best skill player in the draft, IMO
January 26th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
This just in.. you cant judge Dennis allen off this Senior bowl.. he will need at least “3 more senior bowls” before we know.
DA can only coach the pro bowl team haha ikid
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RallDay, ten and then! Ten and then!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Gillislie gets 15 yd. run.
DA=EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
da will find a way to lose by two tds…no worries.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
WOW stupid idiots are in full force, over-react over everything, i thought m1st1c was the worst in here, then you get Al the troll all day and these new stupid idiots
January 26th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
All kidding aside, i’m sure DA doesn’t wanna have the team he’s coaching get embarrassed.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
its nine and whine now…three more senior bowls before we see das master plan…
January 26th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
that would be HILARIOUS if Dennis Allen got fired for losing the Senior Bowl after just completing his coaching staff yesterday.
errr…. maybe not
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I think Reggie Mark AND Gruden put this staff together just in time cuz if DA gets blown out and embarrassed in this game, he’s gone.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
that would be HILARIOUS if Dennis Allen got fired for losing the Senior Bowl after just completing his coaching staff yesterday.
errr…. maybe not
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Must be kinda funny I just spit my drink all over my computer when I read it. LMFAO
January 26th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
mcxcusing got library time on the computer..
January 26th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
DA’s defense making a play.
EJ Manuel = Turnover machine.
EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
da will find a way to lose by two tds…no worries.
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It’s what he does best.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Some idiot here all he does is, DA this DA that, lol freakin hilarious, ok last reply to u
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Yes Ziggy Ansah was a projected late 1st.. easily climbs into top 15 now.
Scouts saying it all over twitter. I agree with them
6ft 5 278 and is probaly gonna run a 4.6
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Even a team like the Rams who have a ton of extra picks or even the Bengals who have our 2nd (might want a top 5 left tackle) are potential trade partners.
Reggie should be able to move down on a couple difference scenarios – LT, QB or somebody who wants Werner if he’s there – who many have as the best overall player in the draft.
We *really* need to move down this year to build a solid foundation for 2014 – having 5 picks is not good enough and we’ll be stuck with more 1yr FA’s again if we can’t move down and get 2-3 more picks that can start. We could fix alot of our defensive problems this year with the D depth in this draft if we could hit on 4 starters this draft. We need impact at CB, DT, DE, OLB
We can get offensive help later in the draft – we need the most help at RT, can use a 4th and get a quality starter – pick up some Guards with lower picks to compete. Pick up FA’s at RB/TE/WR and we’re prob good to go on offense.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
10 years from now we’ll hear former players talking about how Dennis Allen sabotaged the Raiders because he was friends with John Fox …
January 26th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
If DA wins this game he better get coach of the year in 2013
January 26th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
DA coaching ‘em up.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Somone asked NFL DRAFT GURU this raiders question
Scott Wright@DraftCountdown
Doubtful, but Top 10 isn’t out of the question. “RT @WNSPTim Can #BYU DE Ziggy Ansah go No.3 to Oakland?” #Raiders
January 26th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Mark Davis must have phoned Dennis from the press box said.. DO UR JOB
January 26th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
“Daddy don’t let me dance with Danger” with Tori Spelling.
Lifetime movie Channel = EXPOSED!
January 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Da..”if the big lineman comes for you, put a little move on him and go…” no sh!t sherlock…
January 26th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
WOW Glennon is moving up the charts
January 26th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Why are the south coaches wearing senior game shirts and Allen and them wearing Raider logo? I am happy to see that. Just surprised NCAA allowed.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Raider8 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
1155,
Interesting take.
Don’t be shocked if KC doesn’t try and trade for Flynn.
They need a QB.
>>>>
Didn’t they learn their lesson with Cassell?
January 26th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
“Nasty Girl” Vanity 6 on the radio. Man, Prince was so great. My favorite musician of all time.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Mike Glennon looks like Carson Palmers son
January 26th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
OAKLAND — The city’s dream of remaining the home of at least one professional sports franchise continued Friday as the governing board overseeing the coliseum complex agreed to spend $1 million studying new stadium proposals.
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It’s just that – a ‘dream’. What a waste of $1 million in tax payer money to get the conclusion:
‘Aint gonna work’
January 26th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Wonder if Reggie chewed DAs ass at halftime cuz they do look a little better 2nd half.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
But now it’s time for some jazz for the ride home.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
1215,
Any thoughts on what KC will do to address their QB situation?
January 26th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Damn it. WTF.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I’ve seen nothing but good things from Kyle Long. May be our new center or guard
January 26th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Good afternoon DMC20, O, JFB, Bone… NATION!
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Afternoon TRDR, Where have you been ?
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It was a busy season for me.
Whats new?
January 26th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
We can get offensive help later in the draft – we need the most help at RT, can use a 4th and get a quality starter – pick up some Guards with lower picks to compete. Pick up FA’s at RB/TE/WR and we’re prob good to go on offense.
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A quality RT in the fourth? When most of the good tackles go in the first (because they are so valuable and have such a high % of NOT being a bust?) GOOD LUCK!
A fourth round RT is almost certainly a bust.
Maybe a RG in the fourth…
January 26th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
If kc is smart, they take the best qb in the draft, whoever they think that is.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Am I the only one that is ticked that Allen can’t get anything goin? This game is huge for Allen. His legacy game. His Super Bowl. Headlines could read: Oakland Raider embattled rookie head coach wins Senior Bowl. How freakin awesome would that be. Our future rests on this game. Does DA have the nuts to do it? Only time will tell.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1227, 425Raider,
I agree. People aren’t grasping the importance of this game.
You either win this or don’t bother flying back to Oakland……Period.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
mike glennon sounds like an idiot
January 26th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Gdog Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
We can get offensive help later in the draft – we need the most help at RT, can use a 4th and get a quality starter – pick up some Guards with lower picks to compete. Pick up FA’s at RB/TE/WR and we’re prob good to go on offense.
>>>>
A quality RT in the fourth? When most of the good tackles go in the first (because they are so valuable and have such a high % of NOT being a bust?) GOOD LUCK!
A fourth round RT is almost certainly a bust.
Maybe a RG in the fourth…
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Plenty of quality RT’s in the league that were picked in the 4th round. We pick #3 in the 4th round (pick #99) – there will be quality at that spot – a LT that fell out of 1st 3 rounds for example – plus RT’s aren’t nearly as ‘coveted’ in the draft at LT’s.
Remember, we drafted Velhdeer, a quality starting *LT*, in the 3rd round. So saying it would be ‘certainly be a *bust*’ to target a RT in the 4th is way off.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
If kc is smart, they take the best qb in the draft, whoever they think that is.
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Geno the favorite at this point?
Mayock just said Barkely will go 1st rd.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Mayock just called Tarver…”Jonathon”.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
But now it’s time for some jazz for the ride home.
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You listen to any new stuff like Robert Glasper and Esperanza Spalding?
January 26th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Scott Wright@DraftCountdown
Real winner among QB’s at the Senior Bowl today may be Geno Smith of #WestVirginia. Just let all of the competition play themselves out.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Interesting our Lb coach and Oline coach would make very respectable coordinators.
Sanders?- 3yr’s on good GB team as a DC..replaced by Capers.
Sparano?-2 yr’s removed from HC job.
Granted Sanders was DC on one of the worst GB teams they’ve had in past 20 yr’s, but also there for a 13-3 campaign where his D ranked 11th (yd’s).
Worst Sanders had was #20 ranked D.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
The success of black and semi-white (Semite) qb’s recently will have a positive effect on Gino’s draft spot. If he’s deemed worthy, it would be hard to pass. There are a lot teams drafting in the top ten who may want a qb while they have the shot at one. Yes, it might be technically reaching, but if u think a guy is capable of being a good nfl qb, then u get him. I mean, who exactly are u gonna get thru a trade or FA? Flacco would command a huge contract if he decides not to go back to Baltimore. Alex smith will be there but he’s not exactly a guy makes people excited. Then it’s pretty much backups who u think might be ok.
But I’m not very high on Barkley from the limited amour I’ve seen. But they do think he’s a first rounder.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
You listen to any new stuff like Robert Glasper and Esperanza Spalding?
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jumpin in on that jazz conversation: Both of them are great.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
DA is gonna lose this one.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Silverlining–no. I listen to older stuff and whatever’s on 91.1. I dig bebop and cool jazz. The giants. I also can dig on some Afro Cuban stuff.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
I probably know more about jazz than the average bear but I can’t qualify myself as all that knowledgable. Still exploring. I’m investigating the greats. It’s great though.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
DA is gonna lose this one.
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Shocking.
Moves to 4-13 as a HC at any level. Can’t wait for the presser.
“Uhhhh, well obviously they outplayed us today. Uhhmm, at the end of the day – they had better plays than we did and executed better than we did. I’m proud of the way our guys battled and didn’t give up.”
Headline: “Raiders coached North squad beaten soundly in the Senior Bowl. North never had a lead. Dennis Allen proud of the way his team ‘battled’.”
January 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Qb’s available if u really want ‘em:
-Flynn
-Sanchez
-Alex Smith
I wouldn’t be shocked if some mania starts to spin around Geno Smith.
Everybody wants that franchise QB.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Jazz funk and soul jazz. West coast. I even like some of that old big band stuff, due to my love for silent films and classic Hollywood.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Dennis Allen has lost 9 of his last 10 games he was the head coach.
DA = Loser.
January 26th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Haters here hating on the Raiders HC about a college all-star game.What a bunch of clowns.LMAO
January 26th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
irjonny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
mike glennon sounds like an idiot
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He looks like an 80 y. old sadistic farmer.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Haters here hating on the Raiders HC about a college all-star game.What a bunch of clowns.LMAO
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Alot of this is just guys kidding around. Not all of it though.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
CDERaider
There are 30 other loser coaches in the NFL right now.
Two remain: Jim and John Harbaugh.
After the Super Bowl, there will be only one winner. Either Jim or John will be a loser.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Amen Lefty. I was just sitting here shaking my head at the remarks. He was getting hated on in the first quarter.
Take away that opening kickoff and DA is about to win the game
January 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
There’s your typical garbage time td from DA.
Pathetic.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Looks like Allen about to get blown out again.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Yes Ziggy Ansah was a projected late 1st.. easily climbs into top 15 now.
Scouts saying it all over twitter. I agree with them
6ft 5 278 and is probaly gonna run a 4.6
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And just think, he has only been playing football for like 24 months. Pretty astounding really….
January 26th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Yikes.
The QBs in the Senior Bowl didn’t look particular good.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
its ok DA is building his senior bowl team to compete on year 10..,
January 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Another choke game with garbage points.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Qb’s available if u really want ‘em:
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-Flynn : decent backup, no more.
-Sanchez : showed great success early – somewhat mobile, might be able to start at a west coast offense maybe Miami or the Chiefs would take a look.
-Alex Smith : has a couple decent seasons left in him. Has shown success lately needs a strong running game and short controlled passing game. Maybe the Browns or the Jags take a look.
Geno Smith – he’s that ‘new look’ shiny QB many teams will covet. With the Eagles picking 4th and Bills/Jets/Fins/Browns picking close to each other – there should be action for him at #3 if he’s still there. Raiders in a good spot to trade down.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Still expect Bills’ head coach Doug Marrone to draft his former QB Ryan Nassib in the draft.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Anybody know why they chose Lions and Raiders staffs to coach that game?
January 26th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Besides Mike Glennon and EJ Manuel, other qbs were garbage
January 26th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
A homer article on BYUs Ezikiel Ansah:
http://www.vanquishthefoe.com/2013/1/22/3902634/the-rise-of-ezekiel-ziggy-ansah-NFL-Draft-BYU-Cougars
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
DJ Johnny
Raiders chosen because of record.
Lions chosen over Jags because Jags coaching staff and GM situation was in flux.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Senior bowl was better than Pro-Bowl will ever be lol
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
CDERaider
There are 30 other loser coaches in the NFL right now.
Two remain: Jim and John Harbaugh.
After the Super Bowl, there will be only one winner. Either Jim or John will be a loser.
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Those are winning coaches my friend. You’re just playing games.
Name 1 NFL coach besides Denise Allen who has lost 8 of his last 9 games and still has a job.
Go ahead, I’ll wait..
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
DJ Johnny
Forgot to add… Chiefs were supposed to coach North, but, didn’t have a head coach. That is why Raiders were chosen.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
If kc is smart, they take the best qb in the draft, whoever they think that is.
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That goes for us too, and 90% of the NFL.
If you don’t have a top QB, you need to be always looking for one abd drafting them. Should drafe a QB every year or so until you find one.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
How about them Sharks 4-0 baby
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I got confidence in DA. He’ll study the film on today’s game and he’ll be more prepared for next years senior bowl. Plus he didn’t have his staff long enough to prepare. Hopefully he’ll have the same staff going into the senior bowl next year.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
80 year old sadistic farmers are so Old Wave.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Trufants name was never called, so that’s a good thing for a CB
January 26th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
DJ Johnny
Raiders chosen because of record.
Lions chosen over Jags because Jags coaching staff and GM situation was in flux.
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Same with the Cheats coaching staff.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
OK looks like now DA this n DA that idiots are on board, we just need the Palmer this n Palmer that, n stupid Wave lover in here to complete the full circle, I’m out
January 26th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Not impressed with today’s coaching effort. The QB from FSU was definitely the mvp
January 26th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
“Coaching effort”?
January 26th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
I got confidence in DA. He’ll study the film on today’s game and he’ll be more prepared for next years senior
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lol – that’s a good one…
you’re kidding, right?
January 26th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
CDERaider
Touche!
No modern NFL coach has done it!
Tom Coughlin lost 7 of his last 8 in his first year at the helm of the Jaguars and coaches seven more seasons in Jacksonville after.
Of course, we all know what the Task Master did in NY.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
I’d like to hear what Reggie and Mark have to say about Allen and his staffs performance. SMH
January 26th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Missdick. U make it so obvious. An alias never before seen. An attempt to be more reasonable sounding while u still hammer on ur schtick. Pathetic kid.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
CDERaider
Forgot to add the record…
Old Man Tom Coughlin finished 4-12 in his first season as Jags boss.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
80 year old sadistic farmers are so Old Wave.
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Ha. Yes. And undoubtedly racist.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
OK looks like now DA this n DA that idiots are on board, we just need the Palmer this n Palmer that, n stupid Wave lover in here to complete the full circle, I’m out
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Allen must go. Palmer must go. Let’s draft a Left Tackle. Ridiculous. Thank God Almighty none of these “geniuses” are anywhere near our team. Let’s take the things that are working and throw them away, and then put in things that no one has any idea if they will ever work. That sounds like a plan. Sheesh.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
U puds don’t realize how little this game matters in terms of coaching and score? It’s solely about watching matchups and running plays to see what players can do. Especially players the staff might like. It’s a scrimmage. But of course, a lot of u seem to not know how any of this works.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
CDERaider
Touche!
No modern NFL coach has done it!
Tom Coughlin lost 7 of his last 8 in his first year (1995, finished 4-12) at the helm of the Jaguars and coaches seven more seasons in Jacksonville after.
Coughlin produced a 9-7, 11-5, 11-5, 14-2 teams through the 96-99 seasons before a dropoff.
Of course, we all know what the Task Master did in NY.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
mcxcusin all day long…
January 26th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
The raiders MIGHT draft ONE kid from this game. MAYBE. Who cares? It’s just about evaluation.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Allen must go. Palmer must go. Let’s draft a Left Tackle. Ridiculous. Thank God Almighty none of these “geniuses” are anywhere near our team. Let’s take the things that are working and throw them away, and then put in things that no one has any idea if they will ever work. That sounds like a plan. Sheesh.
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What the hey Seymour Bush. That is exactly what Reggie and Allen did. They trashed what worked and implemented a scheme that failed. That is a real ass scratcher you got there.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 am
NFLN showing Super Bowl II highlights. 45+ years ago.
Big ups to any Semi-Pro who actually drank a beer and watched that game.
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I was still a wee bit young for beer back then. But, I’m sure I had either a chocolate milk, or a sodee-pop watching that game with my dad…..
January 26th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
U puds don’t realize how little this game matters in terms of coaching and score? It’s solely about watching matchups and running plays to see what players can do. Especially players the staff might like. It’s a scrimmage. But of course, a lot of u seem to not know how any of this works.
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You mean aside from bettors and Vegas the final score of this game meant nothing? Damn, there goes most of these posters existences face down like a bad poker hand.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
poor kids on the north never had a chance once DA was chosen on his success(lol) during the season, they had already lost….
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Allen must go. Palmer must go. Let’s draft a Left Tackle. Ridiculous. Thank God Almighty none of these “geniuses” are anywhere near our team. Let’s take the things that are working and throw them away, and then put in things that no one has any idea if they will ever work. That sounds like a plan. Sheesh.
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What the hey Seymour Bush. That is exactly what Reggie and Allen did. They trashed what worked and implemented a scheme that failed. That is a real ass scratcher you got there.
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People say that, and it is true, but you have to accept the fact that they had no idea how the players would react to changes. Hue Jackson had coached McFadden the year before he implemented changes. He knew the players and he knew the team. And he lost the team. McKenzie and Allen had no idea what they had, and frankly they didn’t care. They were brought here to bring in systems they knew had won in the past. And that’s what they did. But notice they have not made ANY effort to sign guys like McFadden to long term deals.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Can u imagine a reporter asking Reggie if he was upset his coach didn’t win the senior bowl? Blank stare. Shaking head. “Well…..I…..you realize it’s an all star game right?”
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
poor kids on the north never had a chance once DA was chosen on his success(lol) during the season, they had already lost….
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How bout dem SF Whiners!!
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
long run DMC!!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Looks around. Yanks off mic. “Who let this guy in?”
January 26th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
CDERaider
Forgot to add the record…
Old Man Tom Coughlin finished 4-12 in his first season as Jags boss.
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So we’re comparing Dennis Allen to Tom Coughlin because he lost the same number of games his first year in the league? Dennis Allen has done *nothing* to show anybody that he is even in the same *universe* as Coughlin. Couglin was a *winning* head coach at Boston College for several *years* before taking over the Jags expansion franchise and btw was NFL coach of the year in 1996 – his 2nd season – when they went to the AFC championship game.
So, not to fret, we should have ‘faith’ in DA despite having a paper thin resume, no prior HC experience (other than tanking the Raiders), because he too lost 12 games in his 1st NFL season and by extension, will turn out to be a great HC of the likes of Tom Coughlin and the ‘task master’ I assume you mean Parcells – because his 1st year loss record matches that of Tom’s.
Wow… Now *that* is some tasty Kool-Aid brother!
January 26th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
we all know DA’s legacy is forever tarnished with this loss. Anyways, i bet you we pick up Dysert somehow
January 26th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Al_is_theraiders
When you think about it, these collegiate seniors are screwed from the get-go. The NFL gives them the last-place team in the league to teach them.
Doesn’t matter if it were DA or not, the seniors get a crap coaching staff to teach them. That is tough.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
DA can lose in both leagues equally!
January 26th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
CDERaider
Kool Aid’s gotta taste good because the team we root for hasn’t been anywhere near good since gas was $1.53 a gallon.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
gents…
January 26th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
jack thats true but to add insult to injury….gaving to hear opie talk about huddle presence? poor kids.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
There are no such thing as bad coaches at the nfl level. Some may be better than others but they all know a thousand times more about the game than blog stooge.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
This game was very very valuable to the Raiders and their coaching staffs. They saw some good players out there and some over rated ones as well. Landry Jones did not look very good out there.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
CDERaider
Have no choice but to have faith in DA.
Mark Davis appears to — he hasn’t dropped the ax on DA .Reggie McKenzie appears to — he hasn’t dropped the ax on DA, either.
Until one of those two dudes gets rid of DA, I will cheer and have faith.
Since I have no power to get DA removed from his position as head coach of the Oakland Raiders, I will have faith and cheer him on.
He is, after all, the head coach of the team I root for.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
sh!t if thats true than DA is the worst of all
January 26th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Coughlin’s last three or four years in Joke-sonville was about as bad as it gets. And then he was out of football when he took over the NY Giants. So, some of you “geniuses” might want to read up on him.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Im a raider fan but if I was an allstar I wouldnt want to be coached by DA and his staff lol
Rather be coached by Jim Schwartz
Anyhow you guys want to draft the next Jason Pierre Paul.. Draft BYU Ziggy Ansah
draft lb SIO MOORE too. Dude is all over the place
January 26th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
free dmc!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Guys that stood out..
Ansah
Sio Moore
LB from Rutgers
RB Mike Giselle – Flordia
Florida international Saftey – Cyprien? sp
Stefan Taylor – Stanford
January 26th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Is this post loading at a snail’s pace for other people? Taking forever when I hit refresh.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
take a flier on sergio kindle??
January 26th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
1309. me too
January 26th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
CDERaider
Have no choice but to have faith in DA.
Mark Davis appears to — he hasn’t dropped the ax on DA .Reggie McKenzie appears to — he hasn’t dropped the ax on DA, either.
Until one of those two dudes gets rid of DA, I will cheer and have faith.
Since I have no power to get DA removed from his position as head coach of the Oakland Raiders, I will have faith and cheer him on.
He is, after all, the head coach of the team I root for.
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I hear ya dawg and respect your stance. I just don’t have any faith in him because of what I’ve seen and I also don’t accept losing and shutting up about it as being a ‘faithful fan’. But I will root for DA and my Raiders as passionately as always despite knowing we’re fighting with one arm tied behind our back.
Maybe all that ‘positive energy’ will suddenly turn it all around for DA and he’ll do exactly the opposite of what he’s done so far. Maybe he’ll win 8 of 9 next year!
If that’s the case, I’ll be first in line to say ‘I was wrong’.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
CDERaider
Here’s to hoping things change for the better.
I love being able to call my father-in-law — who is a Chiefs fan — and talking crap when the Raiders are beating KC.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Jack,
Nice that we’ve beaten those guys 6 in a row at Arrowhead.
January 26th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Should the Raiders be able to draft Warmack after traback a few spots, then keep Wisniewski at center; if not then move Wisniewski back to LG; after we have drafted either Jarvis, Star, Geno, or Demetri.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Ansah this and Ansah that. Dude has 13 TFL and 4.5 sacks in 3 years.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
So who is the 2nd rd guy who we hope drops to us early in rd 3?
January 26th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
CDERaider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Regardless of the Senior Bowl. When are we going to see DA do *anything* positive?
We sure haven’t yet and and we likely won’t because this is not HC material. Did you see him strutting around during the week? His ‘miked up’ session was laughable. The most he even spoke was trying to make a joke to a lineman about his shoes were too ‘red’ – seriously. The lineman even was like ‘really dude, they gave me these shoes’. Then he made some stupid smirk to a WR about coming out of the huddle too soon – omg..
At least Tarver was out there actually coaching guys up.
I know why he’s here and he’s holding a clipboard till we get this cleaned up – but counting the days till they move on from DA – he’s an embarrassment.
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More I see of Tarver more I see HC material one day.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
When Al was here, you guys complained about drafting athletes with no college production. Now Al is gone, and You People want to draft a freakish athlete with no college production.
You People make me sick!
January 26th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
So who is the 2nd rd guy who we hope drops to us early in rd 3?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
DE D Jones (UCLA)
January 26th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
they realized al was right…
January 26th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
It might just be coincidence, but, when glancing over the Raiders.com photos of the Senior Bowl stuff, there were a ton of photos of certain players and little to none of the others.
Anyhow, Raider O, DaMonte Jones falling to third would be nice.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
In all fairness to DA. I’m sure all they could work on offense was a few pages out of Al Saunders play book..
I doubt Greg (don’t call me Jimmy) Olson had much, if any input on play calling…
Defensively, I don’t think Tarver was allowed to call any blitzes..(only watched bits & pieces of the game.)
One thing for sure. NO ONE, rocks a red Sharpie like DA…
January 26th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
there should be no fairness to DA….
January 26th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Still waiting for the Gruden announcement.
They couldn’t make it until after the Senior Bowl cuz they were already committed and they were still working out the contract details.
…or not.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
I’m not allowed to post Mayock’s interview about Te’O?!
January 26th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
lol…stop it. gruden talk is driving me crazy….i wish.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
For some reason I can’t post the article or link for Walterfootball interview with M Mayock about Te’O.
It’s very interesting.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
“Te’o struggles a little bit more because he isn’t naturally built that way. He isn’t as naturally quick or the natural explosion or the change of direction like Luke. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t tough, instinctive and smart.”
At Notre Dame, Te’o played in a 4-3 defense. However there are a number of 3-4 defenses that could use inside linebacker help, and Te’o could be in play for teams like San Diego, Pittsburgh and Houston.
“I think it is important that he does both,” said Mayock. “His movement skills were better this year. The NFL is changing into such a pass-first league. The 265-pound inside linebacker that is a downhill thumper is almost obsolete. I thought it was smart of the kid to get in better shape. Right now it is a matter of he has to look teams in the eye and talk to them, and it is more off the field than on the field unfortunately.”
January 26th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
well than that settles it reggie will draft him…
January 26th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Franklin averaged over 8 ypc.
Ray Rice 2.0
January 26th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Liked the Webb kid, especially returning the ball and the FIU Cyprien guy.
The McDonald kid at Safety looked pretty poor, as did the Georgia kid Williams.
Jenkins didn’t impress with any pass-rush moves.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Being in Mountain West country, I have heard a lot about Ansah.
Sad but true, was the story about the toughest thing he said to get used to in his college town was the food.
Yup, poor kids in Ghana eat healthier than rich college kids in Utah.
Sad state of affairs isn’t it?
January 26th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Jones is related to that MMA stud, right O?
You think he drops to rd 3?
He looked pretty good in those 1 on 1 drills this week.
January 26th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
poor kids on the north never had a chance once DA was chosen on his success(lol) during the season, they had already lost….
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Can you imagine the scuttlebutt amongst the north players about our coaches. Sheeeezz
January 26th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
lol…scuttlebut…classic
January 26th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Being in Mountain West country, I have heard a lot about Ansah.
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Where’s that at, sounds like the boonies somewhere?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Did anyone see Gruden in Mobile? Haven’t spotted him in Hawaii
January 26th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Jones is related to that MMA stud, right O?
You think he drops to rd 3?
He looked pretty good in those 1 on 1 drills this week.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No, really? I didn’t know that. The kid takes MA classes to improve his hands.
I think there is a good chance he drops to the 3rd because he is a base end.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
We don’t need base DEs.
We need OLBs who can occasionally put a hand on the ground.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
J,
I think most pass rushers that will get drafted in the 1st 2 rounds will be RDEs and OLBs. It’s a good year for pass rushers, so there is a great chance he drops to 3rd.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
We don’t need base DEs.
We need OLBs who can occasionally put a hand on the ground.
$$$$$$$$$$
I think we should move Houston inside and draft a Base End who can rush the passer better than Houston from that position, and Houston will have more success as an interior DL.
You want an OLB that can rush the passer and cover like V Miller?
- OLB Jamie Collins: 6′3, 245, played DB his freshman year, and has 40 TFL and 16 sacks the last 2 years.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
so what do you guys think about bringing sergio kindle to training camp?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Correction: 16.5 sacks (10 last year).
January 26th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Houston is not a DT.
Last we saw him, he was standing up on the edge.
Wake up from the DT dream!
January 26th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Super Bowl XI on nfl tv
January 26th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Trade down:
1- NT: J Hankins (his numbers are not great, but we used and abused him last year. He played a ton of snaps. He played DE, UT, and NT. he is a freak)
2- CB: X Rhodes, S Amerson, D Trufant, J Poyer, or L McFadden (Go Azrecs)
3- DE/ OLB: Brandon Jenkins (FSU( he was considered a 1st round prospect before his injury and most experts thought he was better than his German teammate Werner)
3- DE: D Jones (UCLA) the kid can rush the passer, has good moves, and great hands.
4- OLB: Jamie Collins (S. Miss)
4(Comp)- ILB: Andrew Jackson (WK), Reddick (NC), or N Johnson (Alabama)
January 26th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Houston is not a DT.
Last we saw him, he was standing up on the edge.
Wake up from the DT dream!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
He was a DT at Texas. I have seen Wilfork standing up at times, so does that mean he is not a NT?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I think Houston can play DT especially with somebody like Star.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Did anyone see Gruden in Mobile? Haven’t spotted him in Hawaii
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He’s with Reggie and Mark in Palm Desert going over some things.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Where’s that at, sounds like the boonies somewhere?
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Well maybe, but we don’t have multiple episodes of weird azz hoarders on our resume, like YOU PEOPLE.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I think Houston can play DT especially with somebody like Star.
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Exactly.
Or someone like Hankins. He is a UT, and he needs a NT to occupy blockers.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Senior bowl was better than Pro-Bowl will ever be lol
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Of course it is.
Every player in the Senior Bowl is auditioning for a multi-million $ job.
Every player in the Pro-Bowl is a multi-millionaire on vacation.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
When’s the last time Houston played a lot of DT?
4 years ago in college?
Why would we think that would work?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Houston “can” probably do a lot of things.
The reality is that he is a LDE/OLB.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Why would we think that would work?
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We don’t.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
I mean in spurts, obvious pass-rushing downs, etc.
But how about we just let a young player develop a little?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
So to heck with Bryant and Bilikudi, let’s just move Houston to a new position and also look for someone to play LDE/OLB.
Brilliant!
January 26th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Did anyone see Gruden in Mobile? Haven’t spotted him in Hawaii
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He’s with Reggie and Mark in Palm Desert going over some things.
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Think I’ll go and check the local IHOP and see if I can catch a glimpse.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Desmond Bryant is our best defensive player, we don’t need to do anything with him but get him a pay-raise and some help.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Houston “can” probably do a lot of things.
The reality is that he is a LDE/OLB.
$$$$$$$$$
Wow
L Houston is an OLB now?
Chico is right. You people love to overreact.
Reality is he plays LDE and DT for the raiders. That’s a fact.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Wonder if DA was pissed about the loss. Any links to a presser?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
LDE/ OLB?!?!
So our 4-3 base end who weighs around 290 pounds is an OLB?
JJ Watt is an OLB too?
January 26th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Houston “can” probably do a lot of things.
The reality is that he is a LDE/OLB.
$$$$$$$$
Because he plays DT too.
I don’t want to say that pathetic line “do you watch the games”, but he plays base end and UT for us since we drafted him.
WTzf are you talking about? We did the same think with TK.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Houston “can” probably do a lot of things.
The reality is that he is a LDE/OLB.
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A 300lb OLB?
I think he has the strength and motor to play DT.
January 26th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
SUP SUP GOOBS AND SPLOOGERS.
Just lettin yawl know I’m gonna drop a steamy deuce off the balcony at my penthouse into the pool. Gonna be a big splash. Get it. Hahahahaha
Posse gonna video it so my fans can watch the epic achievement on utube. Will link for ya blog brahs.
PMPP GOIN BALLS OUT. WHUT WHUT
January 26th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I’d love for the Raiders to re-sign DBryant but Al Davis left us in cap hell.
From CDERaider:
“Outside of the voiding Richard Seymour deal, the Raiders’ five biggest contracts, belonging to Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tommy Kelly, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff, are projected to account for a staggering $59,055,684 against the salary cap in 2013. That total equates to 48.8 percent of the projected NFL salary cap of $121 million.”
That’s on par with the Lions as one of the most unbalanced cap situations in the league. I hope we can keep Bryant and Wheeler, but it’s going to be hard to do so.
January 26th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Did anyone see Gruden in Mobile? Haven’t spotted him in Hawaii
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He’s with Reggie and Mark in Palm Desert going over some things.
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Think I’ll go and check the local IHOP and see if I can catch a glimpse.
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They may have already left with a bag of money on a flight to Hattiesburg to talk w/ Favre.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I’d love for the Raiders to re-sign DBryant but Al Davis left us in cap hell.
From CDERaider:
“Outside of the voiding Richard Seymour deal, the Raiders’ five biggest contracts, belonging to Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tommy Kelly, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff, are projected to account for a staggering $59,055,684 against the salary cap in 2013. That total equates to 48.8 percent of the projected NFL salary cap of $121 million.”
That’s on par with the Lions as one of the most unbalanced cap situations in the league. I hope we can keep Bryant and Wheeler, but it’s going to be hard to do so.
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cant blame seymour, branch and palmer on Al..thats all on reggie’s and his bad decisions to restructure or give long term contracts. throw in briesel and it was a bad year for Reggie. Kiper just revised reggie first draft to a D+. he realized reggie didnt have picks but felt the value of his picks was obviously not good. Reggie has alot to prove. hope his second year is better than the first. 2012 the year of the excuse. 2013 no excuses
January 26th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Kiper’s grade was accurate…Bergstrom is even more worthless now since we’re going to the power scheme.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
One thing I just researched.
the record of Denise’s opponents were 12 games under .500
The record of Hue’s opponents were 4 games over .500
So who again had the tougher job?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
How about Ezekiel Ansah at number 3, i wouldn’t be upset one bit.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Raiders’ QB competition:
Palmer vs Pryor vs Smith!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
One thing I just researched.
the record of Denise’s opponents were 12 games under .500
The record of Hue’s opponents were 4 games over .500
So who again had the tougher job?
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Hue cares..huejack didnt get a sniff at a HC job and got beat out by Mike Shula for an OC…Hes not worthy
January 26th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
ANSAH is the real deal. He was playing on an ok BYU team.. put him on a DLINE with all pros and watch im go.
Jason Pierre Paul final season in college 13 games.. and only started 7 games.
45 tackles, 6 1/2 sacks 15 ttfl. I bet Raiders wished they would have taken him at 8 instead of McClain huh.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
http://www.seniorbowl.com/dennisallen.visibly_upset_after_loss%%fears.losing.hc.with.raiders??2012/1/26%%regmckenzie_not_pleased%%
So Reggie pretty upset about DA losing again. Allen worried about getting a pink slip. North players feel they got short changed. Great read. Tells it like it is.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Steer clear of Te’o.. SIO MOORE LB looks like a better prospect
as does Alec Olgetree
as does this Linebacker out of FLORIDA state.. forget his name..but he was laying wood at the senior bowl
January 26th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
All Day Long!! Raiders!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
425Raider sounds like he got his name wrong. Should be 415whiner. Go Ravens!!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Teo brings leadership? Yeah, right. Steer clear of that wreckage.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Even in the senior bowl….
Dennis Allen and his typical garbage time end of game touchdown.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
O,
Did u watch the last 3 games????
In particular, the LAST game???
Houston was standing up on the left edge of the defense for at least 75% of the game.
That FACT is undisputed by most.
I’m not saying it’s something I “want” to happen at all. It is what it is.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
And Reggies Freckled Face should change his name to Craptrees Rape Victim. Booyah!
January 26th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’m not saying it’s something I “want” to happen at all. It is what it is.
1384.Mr. Heisman Lombardi Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
And Reggies Freckled Face should change his name to Craptrees Rape Victim. Booyah!
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Huh?
January 26th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
O,
Did u watch the last 3 games????
In particular, the LAST game???
Houston was standing up on the left edge of the defense for at least 75% of the game.
That FACT is undisputed by most.
I’m not saying it’s something I “want” to happen at all. It is what it is.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
One game? 3 games?!?! What about most of the season?
He has been playing LDE and DT since we drafted him, he stood up the last few games of the season, and that makes you think our 290 Pounds LDE/ DT is an OLB?
JJ Watt stands up
Ngata stands up
Wilfork stands up
Are they OLBs?!
You are overreacting again.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Did u watch the last 3 games????
In particular, the LAST game???
Houston was standing up on the left edge of the defense for at least 75% of the game.
That FACT is undisputed by most.
I’m not saying it’s something I “want” to happen at all. It is what it is.
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Yep i got the last 2 games on DVR.. and HOUSTON is standing in the OLB pos.. front leg foward. looks pretty good too
January 26th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
None of the quarter backs were impressive in todays game
January 26th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
What the hey-o. Allen can’t even coach a all star team up. What’s he gonna do for us? Sheeeezz. All I wanted to see was the north compete. I’m not whinin bout the loss. I’m pissed. I wanted to see our staff compete and make smart decisions. Special teams? Oh boy, we got work to do. Hopefully Reggie can help Allen figure it out so they don’t get the call for Mobile next year. Don’t bet on it tho.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Btw J,
Just because we did a few things out of desperation last season that doesn’t mean we will continue doing next season.
Huff is a FS
Adams and Chekwa are not proven
Houston is not an OLB
January 26th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Yep i got the last 2 games on DVR.. and HOUSTON is standing in the OLB pos.. front leg foward. looks pretty good too
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O,
I’m not BS’ing you man.
Kinda surprised the hell outta me too. But hey, look at his stat line from that position. Dude was HELLA productive.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
TK = gone. DHB = gone. Rolando = gone.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Pretty sure we are going to build off what we were doing defensively to end the season, O. Especially since it was working.
Who said anything about “proven”?
I agree that Huff is a FS.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Super Bowl XV. 9:00 pst. NFL Network. Now you get to watch a real team. And a real head coach. Enjoy.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Huff did better at corner than he ever did at safety
January 26th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Yep i got the last 2 games on DVR.. and HOUSTON is standing in the OLB pos.. front leg foward. looks pretty good too
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O,
I’m not BS’ing you man.
Kinda surprised the hell outta me too. But hey, look at his stat line from that position. Dude was HELLA productive.
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Dude,
I watched the last few games, and I’m not disagreeing that he played OLB.
My point is he will play Base End or DT next year and not OLB.
Just because he played a few games standing up, it doesn’t mean he is an OLB.
Is JJ Watt an OLB
Is Ngata an OLB
Even V Wilfork stands up at times, but that doesn’t make him a LB, and Pats fans don’t assume he will play a different position next season.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
None of the quarter backs were impressive in todays game
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That’s only because there isn’t a first round talent at QB this year.
January 26th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
A quote from ex-raider Chris Johnson on his sisters death while he was with the raiders:
“Football helps take my mind off the hurt, the pain and the frustration. In Oakland, I almost broke down because I didn’t have anyone to talk to. I felt like no one cared. Here, not everybody is a loner. You’re not by yourself. These are my brothers.”
Ouch…
January 26th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
I really believe Reggie is gonna use most of his picks on defense.. and if he can trade some current roster guys for draft pikcs.. its gonna be defense.
Dennis said they want to rebuild the defense.. I figure they think they have offensive weapons with reece, dmac, Dmoore,
January 26th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
J,
Not me.
I doubt we are going to use our Base End/ UT as OLB next season.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Here’s a link to that article :
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-chris-johnson-0127-20130126,0,5797012.story?page=1
January 26th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
We were 31st in sacks last season, so we were trying a lot things to create pressure especially the last few games.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
reggie is going to use his first pick on….thr short stack special at ihop.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
We’ll see, O.
Houston is a beast. Remember him chasing plays down from behind?
Plus his production while actually playing OLB was DAMN good.
If the plan is to play more 2 and 3 DL sets, then it is what it is man.
Houston played well at OLB. It would be foolish to discount that, imo.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
When Al was here, you guys complained about drafting athletes with no college production. Now Al is gone, and You People want to draft a freakish athlete with no college production.
You People make me sick!
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what do u mean “you people”?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Houston played less “UT” last season than OLB.
Base end doesn’t exists in a 3-4 defense.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Lester Hayes: We goin to win. No doubt about it. We goin to win.
Fckn awesome.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Raiders’ QB competition:
Palmer vs Pryor vs Smith!
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actually palmer vs. no one for #1
pryor vs. his throwing arm for #2
January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
The Raiders will rise again!! Booyah!
January 26th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
reggie is going to use his first pick on….thr short stack special at ihop.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Al drafted Rolando who had college production.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Bryant and Bilikudi will be our DTs.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Houston played less “UT” last season than OLB.
Base end doesn’t exists in a 3-4 defense.
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yeah, u know, but we play, uh, the 4-3.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
When Al was here, you guys complained about drafting athletes with no college production. Now Al is gone, and You People want to draft a freakish athlete with no college production.
You People make me sick!
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what do u mean “you people”?
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LOL that reminds me in that movie Tropic Thunder when Robert Downey Jr (playing an African American) says “what do u mean you people”… then Alpa Chino says “what do YOU mean you people” lmao!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Or should I say 2 of our 3 DL will be Bilikudi and Bryant.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Palmer vs. pryor? That’s like Tiger Woods versus Koolkell on the golf course. Booyah!
January 26th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Ok everyone knows Ive been posting raider news/ senior bowl news/ news from what NFL draft scouts say. One guy who is legit and is down at senior bowl is a guy by the name of Matt Millner.
The guy has quality work.. I always check his twitter. look what I just came across
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
He can play base end or UT in 4-3 or DE in 3-4.
He is a good athlete (played RB in HS), but he is no JJ Watt or Mario Williams, and even these guys don’t play OLB on regular basis.
You move players around to create mismatches, but that doesn’t mean that’s their new position.
If our FB is lined up as a WR, does that make him a WR?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
sh!t bryant and bilukudi thats gonna be a joke…
January 26th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Carl-exactly and that is the culture Reggie and DA are always talking about.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
and I wrote.. Gil Brandt must know something cuz he is well connected in the league with sources.
he wouldnt mock Geno at 3 just do it. He called out on draft day when veldhere was drafted that he would be tried out at CENTER first.
I also posted yesterday that San Diego sports radio guy lee hamilton who was at senior bowl reported that.. Reggie is looking to shopping Carson Palmer low key to other gms sending out feelers ..looking to get a 2nd round pick out of him
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Bryant and Bilikudi will be our DTs.
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OK Dude.
Bilukidi and our FA DT will be our DTs next season, Houston our base end/ UT will play OLB, And Adams the 25 yo journeyman and Chekwa (PS player) will start at CB.
Overreact much?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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That is exactly the type of rumor you throw out to get others to take the bait so you can trade down.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lol…the losing culture? thats all theyve brought…
January 26th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
When Al was here, you guys complained about drafting athletes with no college production. Now Al is gone, and You People want to draft a freakish athlete with no college production.
You People make me sick!
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what do u mean “you people”?
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LOL that reminds me in that movie Tropic Thunder when Robert Downey Jr (playing an African American) says “what do u mean you people”… then Alpa Chino says “what do YOU mean you people” lmao!!!
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that was the reference i was going for.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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There goes Pryor.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Dick Vermil was Plunketts QB coach at Stanford.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Yep Reggie could be serious.. or he could be going fishing..
but ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
O,
Point is, he is not and will not be playing ANY form of DT.
I’m not going to argue OLB vs LDE. We are a multiple defense according to the HC and DC so it’s whatever on that one.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
I like what I saw from that Alec Ogletree kid out of Georgia. He had good speed and good strong finishing on his tackles. I think he would definitely help round-out our Linebacking corps.
However, with the current Huge hole at DT, I think we should draft Star Lotulelei. Seymore is as good as gone and T Kelly ain’t getting any younger or more productive.
Star would look good in Silver and Black, we haven’t had a blue chip guy at DT here since Sam Adams and Parella.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
Expand twitter
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That is exactly the type of rumor you throw out to get others to take the bait so you can trade down.
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yeah but u know that i know that u know that i don’t know what no one else doesn’t know.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
He can play base end or UT in 4-3 or DE in 3-4.
He is a good athlete (played RB in HS), but he is no JJ Watt or Mario Williams, and even these guys don’t play OLB on regular basis.
You move players around to create mismatches, but that doesn’t mean that’s their new position.
If our FB is lined up as a WR, does that make him a WR?
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um, no matter where our FB lines up, he’s a WR.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lol…the losing culture? thats all theyve brought…
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Yup. The ten years before we never lost. Yup.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The whole kit and kaboodle went catywhompas, if it was amb ulatory it would of been spraddlelegged.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
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January 26th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
Point is, he is not and will not be playing ANY form of DT.
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Whatever you say Coach/ DC J.
LOL
What else did Tarver tell you?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
feel good about the huddle coach….ha!
January 26th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
im just posting what i come across lol
January 26th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
1424-hater,as opposed to that great winning culture this organization had for the 9 years before they arrived.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
lol…bilukidi and bryant lol…dayum funny in here…
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Ok, O.
Houston will move to DT.
Chekwa will be the 5th CB and gunner.
Adams will be cut and looking for a new team.
And Bryant will sign with another team.
What was I thinking?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
bilukidi and bryant..,lol…that rivals snything mctroll20 has ever posted…dayum…,
January 26th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Ok, O.
Houston will move to DT.
Chekwa will be the 5th CB and gunner.
Adams will be cut and looking for a new team.
And Bryant will sign with another team.
What was I thinking?
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Who knows bro? Maybe you were spending too much time in the garage.
Houston will be our DE/ UT next season, and we may see him standing at times, but I doubt our base end/ UT will play OLB on regular basis next season.
Chekwa and Adams have potential, but that doesn’t mean they get penciled in as starters.
Bryant is a FA who we should resign, if the price is right.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Houston got better and better as he learned the new system and became more familiar with what was being asked of him at DE.Why in the world would they try and move him inside?It makes no sense.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
If priest is around I wonder what he thinks about Geno Smith versus Pryor. Pryor’s has got some speed and redzone potential. And Geno went a lot of games with throwing a pick and has a big arm.
Pryor might have to be the solution in Oakland without dominant linemen or rushing. Seems like he has the most potential to create on offense with our current deficiencies.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Geno Smith is like TP but has more velocity on his throws.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
It seems everyone believes Kelly is as good as gone.It wouldn’t be surprising if he was brought back but in a more limited role.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Scouts could really be real when they are talking up geno.. raiders scouts etc..
January 26th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
It seems everyone believes Kelly is as good as gone.It wouldn’t be surprising if he was brought back but in a more limited role.
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The problem with Kelly is his high price tag. Raiders are once again in cap trouble.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
I heard Geno isn’t that fast though.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Why do you keep saying Chekwa is a starter?
There are 2 starting CBs, and Adams will be one of them. Chekwa will get a SHOT at the other position but will play. Until we actually draft someone or pick up a FA, who else should we be talking about?
Kelly, Biikudi, and Bryant are the only DTs on the roster, and most say Kelly will be cut.
Only thing I am talking about are players that are actually on our roster. Reality. I need that crystal ball you have that shows we will bring in new CBs that are better than who we have, the OLBs that will be brought in to have Tarver and DA scrap the Houston plan, and all these other things you’re talking about.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Geno is not a runner.. he is a pocket passer ..but he can run when he has to..
think Aaron rodgers type.. Geno throws darts
January 26th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Houston got better and better as he learned the new system and became more familiar with what was being asked of him at DE.Why in the world would they try and move him inside?It makes no sense.
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Because he played DT in college?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
The Raiders aren’t nearly in as much cap hell as they have been in the past.They can’t afford a bunch of top flight FAs but they should be able to keep who they want and get some second tier guys.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
J,
That crystal ball is called common sense.
LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
He played DT in college and for the Raiders.
He played more DT for the Raiders than OLB, and that’s a fact.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Geno is not a runner.. he is a pocket passer ..but he can run when he has to..
think Aaron rodgers type.. Geno throws darts
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I can live with an Aaron Rodgers type QB… The Queefs are probably gonna take Geno Smith. A lot of mock drafts have the Queefs taking the left tackle Joekel…The Queefs need a QB more than a tackle
January 26th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
But again, facts and stats are worthless here. Opinions have more value here.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me either, Lefty.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
I have seen L Houston play Base end and DT for 3 years, but who cares about facts?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Now if u wanna roll with st8 runner who has upside.. Pryor is ur guy.. Still needs refinment.
But if u watched the senior bowl today..all those qbs need that.. and they can run like pryor.
Pryor runs like a deer and is built like a TE. Kaepernick ran a 4.5 at the combine..
and Pryor ran a 4.38 at his pro day.. remember that run against the LIONs last year how fast he was?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
He played DT in college and for the Raiders.
He played more DT for the Raiders than OLB, and that’s a fact.
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I cant remember a time when Houston played DT for the Raiders. He played defensive end for the Raiders. The Raiders even mentioned that when they drafted him that they were gonna move him from his college position of DT to play DE for the Raiders.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Any word on how pissed off Reggie and Mark are after DA and his staff embarrassed the Raiders? I can’t wait to see Reggie’s presser. All I wanted to see was the coaches coaching up and having the north prepared to play. Didn’t happen.
Super Bowl XVIII on at 10:30. Again, a real team with a real coach. Today’s Raiders are not your fathers Raiders.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Let’s hope KC passes on Smith.That would make trading down much easier as someone like Buff. or Ariz. might want to jump up and take him.We have plenty of needs and QB sure isn’t one of them.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
He played more DT for the Raiders than OLB, and that’s a fact.
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Prove it!
Do you have any games DVR’d?
We are telling you Houston played A LOT of OLB in the month of Decenber. You said you saw it too.
When did Houston EVER play A LOT at DT?
Seymour, Kelly, and Bryant have been our primary DTs for a while now, brush. When Seymour got hurt, Bilikudi got more snaps.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Any word on how pissed off Reggie and Mark are after DA and his staff embarrassed the Raiders? I can’t wait to see Reggie’s presser. All I wanted to see was the coaches coaching up and having the north prepared to play. Didn’t happen.
Super Bowl XVIII on at 10:30. Again, a real team with a real coach. Today’s Raiders are not your fathers Raiders.
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DA had the North playing exactly how he had the Raiders playing all year. Fall behind quick, then stage a comeback that falls short.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
He played DT in college and for the Raiders.
He played more DT for the Raiders than OLB, and that’s a fact.
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I cant remember a time when Houston played DT for the Raiders. He played defensive end for the Raiders. The Raiders even mentioned that when they drafted him that they were gonna move him from his college position of DT to play DE for the Raiders.
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WOW
You can’t remember Houston playing DT for the Raiders. You have never seen L Houston rush the passer from the DT position? You need to pay more attention when watching the games, and you should try to improve your memory.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
The beat writers — Cork, McDonald, Tafur and AP’s Josh Dubow — all say LaMarr Houston is too skinny to play DT.
McDonald speculates adding beef to his frame will slow down Houston.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
You’re saying base end like no one else agrees with that, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
425Raider
Reggie cited salary cap and personnel issues for the Senior Bowl loss while Mark Davis sat in the luxury box admiring his Lloyd Christmas hair cut.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Raider O Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
When Al was here, you guys complained about drafting athletes with no college production. Now Al is gone, and You People want to draft a freakish athlete with no college production.
You People make me sick!
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what do u mean “you people”?
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LOL that reminds me in that movie Tropic Thunder when Robert Downey Jr (playing an African American) says “what do u mean you people”… then Alpa Chino says “what do YOU mean you people” lmao!!!
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Or the flight attendant, talking to Adam Sandler, on Anger Mgmt.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
WOW
You can’t remember Houston playing DT for the Raiders. You have never seen L Houston rush the passer from the DT position? You need to pay more attention when watching the games, and you should try to improve your memory
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Honestly man, i dont remember ever seeing him at DT… and furthermore, i certainly dont ever remember seeing him “RUSH THE PASSER” from the DT position… as a matter of fact, our pass rush from either our DT or DE position was pathetic this year
January 26th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
jackasspuria Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
425Raider
Reggie cited salary cap and personnel issues for the Senior Bowl loss while Mark Davis sat in the luxury box admiring his Lloyd Christmas hair cut
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lol classic
January 26th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Houston played SOME DT when Seymour got hurt. Was terribly ineffective, which is why you didn’t see it much at all.
Unlike him being VERY effective at LDE and OLB.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
“Unlike him being VERY effective at LDE and OLB.”
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Lol. your joking right…
dont get me wrong, i think Houston is a solid player…but our opponents offensive coordinaters are not gameplanning against the “VERY effectiveness” of Lamar Houston.
January 26th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
He played more DT for the Raiders than OLB, and that’s a fact.
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Prove it!
Do you have any games DVR’d?
We are telling you Houston played A LOT of OLB in the month of Decenber. You said you saw it too.
When did Houston EVER play A LOT at DT?
Seymour, Kelly, and Bryant have been our primary DTs for a while now, brush. When Seymour got hurt, Bilikudi got more snaps.
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Houston played SOME DT when Seymour got hurt. Was terribly ineffective, which is why you didn’t see it much at all.
Unlike him being VERY effective at LDE and OLB.
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LOL
You still want me to prove it after you said ” Houston played SOME DT….”?
January 26th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Btw J, I don’t have a DVR, and I don’t watch the same game 3+ times.
You People have a lot of free time.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders are lacking an impact player on D.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders are lacking an impact player on D.
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Raiders are lacking a impact HC and some impact assistants.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders are lacking an impact player on D.
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Raiders are lacking a impact HC and some impact assistants.
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True that. But even an awesome coach cant do much without a game changer or two on your team. Raider have no game changers on D ever since Namdi left..
January 26th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
We are telling you Houston played A LOT of OLB in the month of Decenber. You said you saw it too.
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I never agreed to ” A LOT” so please don’t put words in my mouth. I said I have seen him play OLB the last few games.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“SOME” DT, O.
“More” DT than OLB is what you said, and labeled it fact, lol.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
so please don’t put words in my mouth
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You mean like Chekwa “starting’”?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
Unlike him being VERY effective at LDE and OLB.
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He had 4.5 sacks last season, and you think he is “VERY effective” at LDE?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
If Reggie wee to actually grab Geno Smith there better be no sitting him behind anybody.
If you are gonna use your 3rd pick in the draft on a QB he better start RIGHT NOW.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“SOME” DT, O.
“More” DT than OLB is what you said, and labeled it fact, lol.
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It is a fact.
He played OLB the last few games of the 2012 season.
He played DT at times the last 3 years.
Are you saying he played more snaps at OLB the last few games of the 2012 more than he played DT the last 3 years?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders are lacking an impact player on D.
•••••••••••
Raiders are lacking a impact HC and some impact assistants.
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True that. But even an awesome coach cant do much without a game changer or two on your team. Raider have no game changers on D ever since Namdi
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Well we need to get Namndi back and I hope all our picks our D picks. We need impact pass rushers. What’s up with Romac? Is he comin back? To bad we couldn’t package Kelly and Seymour for a 3rd or 4th. Throw in Gio for the heck of it.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
…I think this Geno stuff is b.s anyway, but certainly alot of chatter about Reggie wanting a new qb.
He could be messing w/ everyone…playing the game.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:10 am
I like Adams and Chekwa at CB.
I like Branch, Huff, and Ross at S.
We need corner depth big time.
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Adams is starting, chuckles.
Depth, my arsse.
I’ll bet you a phat B load that Chekwa is at least the #3 corner by the time the season starts.
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
so please don’t put words in my mouth
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You mean like Chekwa “starting’”?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
DJ,most of that ‘chatter’ originates here and has little to no validity.Why fixate on that one position,topic of conversation when we have so many other question marks and needs especially since both RM and DA have stated CP is the starting QB next year?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
If Chekwa is “at least the #3 CB”, that makes him our NB, which is considered a starter in today’s pass happy league.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Those are your words, O.
you want to define “starting” = putting words in my mouth.
I said Adams is starting.
You said Chekwa is a “starter”.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Lefty,
I’m referring to these guys like Hamilton in SD on the radio and these writers covering senior bowl who are tweeting about it.
I don’t know their credentials or anything, or if it’s all just “writers’ speculating.
You’re right about their being sooo many other needs.
For one, ANY qb is gonna need a true # 1 wr to throw to…at least.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
DJ,I find it difficult to believe Smith was that big of a conversation piece at the SR bowl by our staff since he wasn’t even there.Not saying it didn’t happen,but it sounds like more speculation than anything.Either that or trying to build interest to trade down.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
425Raider Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Reggies Freckled Face Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
The Raiders are lacking an impact player on D.
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Raiders are lacking a impact HC and some impact assistants.
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True that. But even an awesome coach cant do much without a game changer or two on your team. Raider have no game changers on D ever since Namdi
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Well we need to get Namndi back and I hope all our picks our D picks. We need impact pass rushers. What’s up with Romac? Is he comin back? To bad we couldn’t package Kelly and Seymour for a 3rd or 4th. Throw in Gio for the heck of it
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Well, Seymour is a FA and Kelly would net us a 5th rounder at best…and Gio can kick rocks. Dunno about Romac, all signs point to him being done in Oakland though. All these high price tag guys that dont produce are done in Oakland (DHB,Romac,Kelly,etc) The Raiders are in cap trouble again…
January 26th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
As I have been saying for months, Geno is a top-flight pocket passer, of the mold of Matt Ryan or Drew Bledsoe.
I fully endorse taking him at #3.
Can Carson!!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
3 most important positions in football:
QB
QB
QB
Draft Geno
January 26th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
J,
So Chekwa is “at least the #3 Corner”, but he is not a starter?
Got it dude.
You People are mad!!
January 26th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
, but certainly alot of chatter about Reggie wanting a new qb.
He could be messing w/ everyone…playing the game.
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Orrrrr….
He could have actually watched the games, and realized Carson is regressing almost weekly.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
O,
So “you saw Houston play OLB”, but he isn’t a OLB?
Got it dude.
You, Sir, are mad!!!
January 26th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
chekwa is light years ahead of ross…proof? Chargees wr blew past him in the last game…over and over again.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Can we say a guy played “OLB” if he never backed off the LOS?
Yes Houston was standing up, coming off the edge, but it’s not like he was covering TE’s or the flat or anything.
He was being played as an End, just mixing up his pre-snap looks.
Serioulsy, you guys have been doing this dance the last hour?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
I don’t know, JFB.
It seems pretty simple to me.
KC and Jax are in MUCH worse shape at QB than we are. If they pass on Smith, we should too.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Just finishing up with the Senior Bowl, There is a lot of Dline talent and it runs from one end of the spectrum to the other. Whatever you need is available. The are a few stars on the Oline but mot much depth.
A few HB’s and some LB’s but I rthink there are some DB’s that can really play although not much depth. Don’t really like many of the WR’s tho.
This draft has great edge rushers and OLB/DE’s that can flat out play.
This Ansah may be the answer to our prayers. he is very raw and doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing but he jsut ripped it up on raw talent alone if he can be coached up he may do for us what Howie did. Whom we drafted was also very very raw maybe more so than Ansah but we had Earl Legget the best Dline coahc in the league to tranform Howie into Howie Long we all know and love. I’m not sure we have the coaches now to do that but if we do the Raiders should come away with a very good haul in Dlineman.
Very impressed with the strikability of the Florida St MLB VWilliams. The corner Poyer is impressive. EJ Manuel made some money tho.
If we go into next season without a dominant edge rusher Reggie should be fired. I could get a edge rusher out of this draft blindfolded. Maybe 2 of them and a LB safety and 2 corners.
The only Olineman that excites me so far is Fisher I haven’t seen the other VHT’s. But there is no excuse where I sit in getting a very good haul this offseason.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
LCB
RCB
NB
#1 CB
#2 CB
#3 CB
According to the experts and people that watch football, the NB is a starter in today’s pass happy league.
What are you still arguing about?
You said “AT LEAST #3″, but that doesn’t mean he is a starter?
WTF does it mean. He is the backup for #1&2, but he doesn’t play NB?
January 26th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Serioulsy, you guys have been doing this dance the last hour?
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I said we are playing more 2 and 3 DL sets and Houston is not a DT, and we ended up here.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
KC and Jax are in MUCH worse shape at QB than we are.
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They are paying a stiff a gazillion dollars too?
Bummer for them
January 26th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
O,
So “you saw Houston play OLB”, but he isn’t a OLB?
Got it dude.
You, Sir, are mad!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Yeah Lefty,
I’m thinking this is some gamesmanship on Reggies part.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Lots of funky 2-4-5 looking sets to end the season, with lots of secondary guys blitzing.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Can we say a guy played “OLB” if he never backed off the LOS?
Yes Houston was standing up, coming off the edge, but it’s not like he was covering TE’s or the flat or anything.
He was being played as an End, just mixing up his pre-snap looks.
$$$$$$$$$$$
No!!!
He is our OLB! A 290 pound OLB!
LOL
January 26th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
If the Raiders like Geno, this epic flop in the Senior Bowl by everyone else just creates more likelihood in both taking him and Carson having a suitor or two.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
No!!!
He is our OLB! A 290 pound OLB!
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I’m glad you finally came around.
We can move on now.
January 26th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
I’m going to lose it if we draft Geno Smith or a LT.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Sorry, JFB.
Not feeling Smith or Te’o.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
lmao at a 290 olb….dayum bring back grant irons!
January 26th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Smith, Te’O or Warmack should be our short list.
The clear-cut best prospects at their position.
I don’t want arguably the 4th best DE at #3.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Chico,
“Te’o struggles a little bit more because he isn’t naturally built that way. He isn’t as naturally quick or the natural explosion or the change of direction like Luke. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t tough, instinctive and smart.”
At Notre Dame, Te’o played in a 4-3 defense. However there are a number of 3-4 defenses that could use inside linebacker help, and Te’o could be in play for teams like San Diego, Pittsburgh and Houston.
“I think it is important that he does both,” said Mayock. “His movement skills were better this year. The NFL is changing into such a pass-first league. The 265-pound inside linebacker that is a downhill thumper is almost obsolete. I thought it was smart of the kid to get in better shape. Right now it is a matter of he has to look teams in the eye and talk to them, and it is more off the field than on the field unfortunately.”
January 26th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Te’o at #3-it will never happen.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Moore or Star….. Period.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
The cornerstone to your defense is the DE or a shutdown corner last year we had NEITHER thanks to an inexperienced GM and HC. This year if we want to compete we need BOTH. And they can get them one in the Draft the other in FA if they have to but to go into another season without either would criminal…………period
January 26th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
if not criminal…at least incompetent…
January 26th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
I wouldn’t worry about who is going to be there at 3 because we probably won’t pick until 7 or 8.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Raider O I know Moore is a more sure pick but he doesn’t have the athletic ability this kid Ansah has. At 275 this kid runs like a deer and is naturally strong very, long arms. has only played 2 years of football and rips up the senior bowl as if it’s his own coming out party.
I watched him beat a double and get a stripsack……lol
I’m not sure what his upside is but he is without doubt the most physically gifted DE in this draft.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The whole kit and kaboodle went catywhompas, if it was amb ulatory it would of been spraddlelegged.
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post of the day
January 26th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
BHP,
Ansah is a freakish athlete, but he doesn’t have great college production. He could be the next JPP or a bust. Too much risk that we can’t afford at this time IMO.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
if mckenzie and DA are shaking up the rumor mill about geno smith to get a trade down im for it…if they really want to go with a new QB and build around him im for it. trade CP or TP to the chiefs, draft geno?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
How can he have great production when he just started playing 3 years ago he only started by midseason due to injury. However I would be very hesitant at #3 overall however if they trade down after 15th I would grab that kid in a heartbeat. If we stay at #3 I want Fisher the LT.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
I don’t think there is a player in this draft that grades out better than Fisher. That includes Star and anyone else. Fishers ability at LT is exquisite very rare he jsut needs to add some upperbody strength at the next level.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Fisher???
At #3 overall???????
January 26th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Theres talk of the raiders going after Jake Long and moving him to RT. Even Cork wrote about it.
If there is any merit to the Geno Smith talk, Jermichael Finley, Jake Long and Greg Jennings would be a great start in making him comfortable
January 26th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
How can he have great production when he just started playing 3 years ago he only started by midseason due to injury. However I would be very hesitant at #3 overall however if they trade down after 15th I would grab that kid in a heartbeat. If we stay at #3 I want Fisher the LT.
$$$$$$$$$$$
He is a freakish Athlete playing for BYU in the MWC, so I expect better college production than 13 TFL and 4.5 sacks in 3 years.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
J Hill Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Fisher???
At #3 overall???????
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Absolutely, hell yeah and some…H
He is not a power LT he is extremely athletic but he has great feet and leverage and can angle extremely well. His punch needs to gte stronger because he is always recovering that’s just strength. If he can get to 315 or even 320 that kid c ould be as good a LT as has come out in the last 10 years IMO.
It’s his ability vs speed and then he can transition to power rush and counter very well. I was extremely impressed with him.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
Fisher?!
You people are killing me.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Moore is 20 YO, has 39 TFL and 21 sacks the last years. He is not as athletic as Ansah, but he is not a project.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Last 2* years…
January 26th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
How can he have great production when he just started playing 3 years ago he only started by midseason due to injury. However I would be very hesitant at #3 overall however if they trade down after 15th I would grab that kid in a heartbeat. If we stay at #3 I want Fisher the LT.
$$$$$$$$$$$
He is a freakish Athlete playing for BYU in the MWC, so I expect better college production than 13 TFL and 4.5 sacks in 3 years.
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Raider O how cna he produce if he’s not on the field, you don’t get it he doesn’t know what he’s capable of because he simply hasn’t played. Part of being a good scout is projection anyone can look at production and make preety sound decisions the best scouts are great at projection. You hav eto know if a guy has reached his talent level or if he still has upside. Ansah is ALLL upside what he did today was extraordinary for a guy with so little playing time.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
irjonny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
The whole kit and kaboodle went catywhompas, if it was amb ulatory it would of been spraddlelegged.
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post of the day
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I sent my laptop and the whole kitchen cart it sits on flying. Didn’t expect it to keep working, but it did survive an unexpected sprinkler situation at the Santa Rosa fairgrounds. Can’t kill this Compaq.
But my comment could be apropos of the Raiders, also.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Star is 6′3 320, and he is a freakish athlete with college production.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
i hope we draft defense but if we can trade down to pick up a 2nd rounder or another 3rd rounder im all for it. whatever helps us out!
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
January 26th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Moore is 20 YO, has 39 TFL and 21 sacks the last years. He is not as athletic as Ansah, but he is not a project.
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You are correct which is why I would probably take Moore higher because of safe pick but 2years from now you may be kciking yourself when Ansah is getting 15 sacks a season. I saw Howie Long come to us and he looked like he had NEVER played before. He’s now in the HOF Ansah is easily more gifted than Howie EVER was.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Not sold on Ansah and potential. We are the Raiders. We have been doing it for years. It’s time for something new. I rather take a guy who is less athletic with college production over a guy that’s all potential with no production.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
You are correct which is why I would probably take Moore higher because of safe pick but 2years from now you may be kciking yourself when Ansah is getting 15 sacks a season. I saw Howie Long come to us and he looked like he had NEVER played before. He’s now in the HOF Ansah is easily more gifted than Howie EVER was.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t think we can afford to take a lot of risks with this team. We need talent that can produce immediately.
Who knows BHP? Drafting is like gambling.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Carson Palmer to the Jets for Revis…why not?
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Raider O Says:
Fisher?!
You people are killing me
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There’s an odd animal in th Sierra’s bigger than a badger and not as mean as a wolverine called a fisher.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Howie played his entire career and could’t bend his charge he was really stiff but if you were stationary he would kill ya’ he could run very well but he was very stiff. This kid has loose hips plays low and can track a ballcarrier down.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Mean as a wolverine. I like that, but I’m sure it’s been done. In Wisconson if not here.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Sure, but when you look at it. All you are talking about is potential none of them are sure things they’re all basically projects that can bust. What I want is a kid who can make game changing plays and Ansah showed that ability in spades.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Geno Smith’s stock is gonna rise alot imo.
Bodes well for us in having that # 3 so we can deal with someone.
Unless…KC takes him there and I wouldn’t doubt if they do.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Palmer has a couple years left. Revis doesn’t.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
irjonny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Carson Palmer to the Jets for Revis…why not?
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I’d do it.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
dont know why but to this day i still think revis is over-rated
January 26th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
Revis is only 27.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
There some DT’s that can be had in the 3rd rnd that I like a lot DE’s that make plays are very hard to find and EVERYBODY wants them. Reggie has to make a great decision not a good one a great one.
Star might be the bets od teh DT’s but I like a lot of them that will be available in the 2nd 3rd rnds. I want a kid who is outstanding at #3 to either play corner or DE if they take Star I wont mind at all. But give me a game changer.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Revis is only 27.
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Really? Seems like he’s hurt a lot.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Revis would draw 3x’s as many flags here as he did in NY. He holds and grabs way to much and gets away with it because of his name. Here he would get called for them.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
irjonny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Carson Palmer to the Jets for Revis…why not?
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One word-money.They couldn’t afford it and neither could we.
January 26th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
Revis would draw 3x’s as many flags here as he did in NY. He holds and grabs way to much and gets away with it because of his name. Here he would get called for them.
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he sure does and he would definately get called for it on this team.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:01 am
Guess what?
Sedrick Ellis, Marcel Dareus, Bj raji, Glen Dorsey, Gerald McCoy even Suh all had college production but they are not effecting their team that much.
Guess what? Aldon smith was a somewhat project and only had 4.5 sacks his final year in college. Niners saw that alteticism and burst.
Same thing Ansah has.. and he is 280 and runs like he is 220. So in 2 yrs when this kids is tearing it up..Raiders are gonna be like dayum.. cold have had him.
Ansah is top 10 down per nfl draft gurus on twitter. Fisher is Top 8 now.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:03 am
BHP,
Trade down (low teens):
1- DT J Hankins (The OSU)
2- CB Rhodes, Amerson, Trufant, or Poyer (I doubt all will get drafted with Milliner and Banks in the 1st)
3- DE/ OL Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
3- DE D Jones (UCLA)
4- OLB Jamie Collins (S. Miss)
4(comp)- ILB Andrew Jackson (WK), Redfick (NC), or N Johnson (Alabama)
January 27th, 2013 at 12:03 am
If the Jets would take Palmer for Revis I would do it before they got Palmers name out their mouths good. Palmer is 33 and Revis is very young yet. He is easily at the top of his game and Palmer not so much. I’d give Revis the 13 Mill he wants mostly guaranteed. Then find a way to make it work.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Also raiders need to get SIO MOORE Linebacker from UCONN
or this linebacker out of Florida State.. guy was sticking everything that moved
January 27th, 2013 at 12:04 am
Raiders need their 2nd pick back somehow.
They need 1 of the following corners
Rhodes, Trufant, Poyver, Leon Mcfadden, Tyrann mathieu
Get one of these guys please..
January 27th, 2013 at 12:05 am
Ansah and Revis would transform this defense add a feew DB’s and LB and a DT this would be a very competitive defense overnight.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:08 am
I have a strange feeling Rolando will be on this team next year. I just have a feeling someone is pulling for him because of the way they talk about him everytime someone ask.
I think they actually like the kid, not saying I’m right, it just seems that way.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:09 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Also raiders need to get SIO MOORE Linebacker from UCONN
or this linebacker out of Florida State.. guy was sticking everything that moved
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Couldn’t agree more on all points.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
bilukidi and bryant..,lol…that rivals snything mctroll20 has ever posted…dayum…,
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keep laughing hyena. it’s true.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:13 am
VWilliams from Florida St was soo sound and instinctive he is exactly what this defense needs, I would move Rolando to SLB with this kid. But suffice to say there is an abundance of front7 talent in this draft. You can literally biuld a defense in this draft from corners to DT’s there is a plethora of OLB/DE types that can play.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:15 am
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
“@TGageOneal: @CorkOnTheNFL if Seymour and Kelly are gone. Could Houston and Bryant man the middle??” — Kelly not gone yet. But, yes.
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
“@f_amaral: @CorkOnTheNFL Do you see Lechler coming back?” — Not when the Raiders kept Marquette King on injured reserve. Do the math.
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Kelly and Lechler will both be Raiders next year.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:18 am
preist still thinks green beanie would be a nice fit somewhere. why does anyone even talk to this guy like he has an opinion worthy of listening to?
January 27th, 2013 at 12:20 am
carlisle, barnes, dhb, kelly, seymour, green beanie, huff, lechler all gone from the cap.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:08 am
I have a strange feeling Rolando will be on this team next year. I just have a feeling someone is pulling for him because of the way they talk about him everytime someone ask.
I think they actually like the kid, not saying I’m right, it just seems that way.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I hope you are right. The kid is 23 yo and he is talented.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:25 am
What does Dennis Allen bring to the table?
January 27th, 2013 at 12:31 am
dr_robert Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:20 am
carlisle, barnes, dhb, kelly, seymour, green beanie, huff, lechler all gone from the cap.
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If green beanie is Romacslo, That’s the only one you got right. Unless Coop retires.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:33 am
KoolKell Says:
What does Dennis Allen bring to the table?
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Ping Pong paddles?
January 27th, 2013 at 12:34 am
I doubt Seymour is brought back unless he’ll play for close to the minimum.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:37 am
Sorry, Seymour is probably gone, too. That’s not etched in stone either.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:38 am
Lefty and me on the same page.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:38 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:31 am
dr_robert Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:20 am
carlisle, barnes, dhb, kelly, seymour, green beanie, huff, lechler all gone from the cap.
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If green beanie is Romacslo, That’s the only one you got right. Unless Coop retires.
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of course. the green beanie mcdunce is outta here.
carlisle was cut last year, only to be brought back cheaper. bergstrom was drafted to replace him. barnes, seymour, and lechler are FA and i doubt they’re looking to re-sign expensive vets. kelly makes a lot and he’s slipping. i could possibly see him coming back. dhb will have to restructure or he’s gone. huff is expensive and average. he gone.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:40 am
It was supposed to be clear and maybe chilly. Getting major hailstorms here in Grass Valley.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:40 am
Raider O Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:08 am
I have a strange feeling Rolando will be on this team next year. I just have a feeling someone is pulling for him because of the way they talk about him everytime someone ask.
I think they actually like the kid, not saying I’m right, it just seems that way.
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I hope you are right. The kid is 23 yo and he is talented.
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this is why u guys are jokes. bring back a punk who sucks. have u watched him play? he’s horrendous.
everytime they are asked about him, they say “right now he’s on the roster. we’ll see what happens.”
reggie said he hasn’t talked to him since his latest arrest and doesn’t plan to.
and priest thinks these are signs they like him and he’s coming back.
u guys couldn’t see the truth if it hit u in the head.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:42 am
raid-tard-o and priestess. it’s incredible.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:43 am
I keep asking this. How much is another team gonna offer Lechler at 36? I seriously want him as #3 QB/punter. It’s a good idea.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:44 am
Who is going to replace all these starters you don’t have coming back?
January 27th, 2013 at 12:47 am
I would hope they keep Rolando.. chances are they might.. or still move him on draft day.
they can say cap all they want.. there is a reason why he hasnt been cut.. cuz if they really wanted him gone.. he would have been the day he got into it with DA
January 27th, 2013 at 12:48 am
Haven’t been reading the posts. Someone thinks Rolando is worth bringing back? Over and above his altercation with DA, he sucks. He is not an OK, or good, let alone great footbal player.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:50 am
Barnes isn’t an all pro but do you remember how terrible the right side was when he was injured?Huff is avg but would you rather see Gio back there?Kelly’s getting long in the tooth but he can still play in spurts.For all the flak he gets DHB still started every game.We can’t replace all these guys and improve in other areas of need.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:50 am
they might be hoping they can move him for a 5th
January 27th, 2013 at 12:50 am
Romac that is
January 27th, 2013 at 12:50 am
lefty12 Says:
Who is going to replace all these starters you don’t have coming back?
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I’ll do it. For half price. Until I get hurt. But I still want my money.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Huff has been making more money then Ed reed the last few years.. at 8 million a year
January 27th, 2013 at 12:52 am
4yr 32 million in 10 was abigger contract then what reed and troy polymaou had resigned for. But Al was always generous with the contracts
January 27th, 2013 at 2:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
irjonny Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Carson Palmer to the Jets for Revis…why not?
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I’d do it.
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Jets wouldn’t
January 27th, 2013 at 3:02 am
SAY NO TO GENO!
…unless you start him right away and are willing to bail on him in two years when we have another high pick and a more pressing need at QB (not to mention the lack of an impact player from the 2013 draft) and a likely better prospect is sitting there.
January 27th, 2013 at 5:15 am
Dennis Allen has lost 9 of his last 10 games he was the head coach.
DA = Loser.
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CDE,
does win/loss record mean anything?
apparently you think so and you’re comfortable blaming 1 guy. I’ve got another one for you though
Carson Palmer = Loser.
look at his last 3 seasons
January 27th, 2013 at 5:18 am
the Raiders’ five biggest contracts, belonging to Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tommy Kelly, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff, are projected to account for a staggering $59,055,684 against the salary cap in 2013. That total equates to 48.8 percent of the projected NFL salary cap of $121 million.
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whoa!!
hey Reggie, I see 5 more “out of whack” contracts for you to deal with … immediately!
January 27th, 2013 at 5:25 am
I know that Mark Sanchez has been bad in NY, but is Palmer really an upgrade?
he’s probably lost twice as many games!
January 27th, 2013 at 5:29 am
2012:
Jets 6-10
Raiders 4-12
2011:
Jets 8-8
Raiders 8-8 (Campbell won 4 of those games)
2010:
Jets 11-5 playoffs
Bengals 4-12
yeah, I don’t think the Jets would give us Revis in exchange for Palmer. might have to throw in Huff or Branch – which would be fine by me
January 27th, 2013 at 5:39 am
jets want 2 first round picks for revis..not gonna take an average qb making 15 mil and below average secondary players
January 27th, 2013 at 5:40 am
I’m trying to imagine a time in the future when I come on this blog and we are all talking about how the Raiders are dominating teams and building a dynasty.
January 27th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Jets say they want two firsts for Revis.
I don’t even think they would do it for Palmer and the #3 overall, so that thing ain’t happening.
He will stay a Jet
January 27th, 2013 at 6:34 am
DA was defending Holland in clash with #55 and later discovered he was wrong in doing so,which in turn only served to give the petulant brute more fuel for his ever burning fire ,Holland wasnt released because of the lb performances, Rasta-mouse and Burris had good years the rook lb`s also did ok on st
January 27th, 2013 at 6:49 am
Rolando back? Are u guys seriousness?
“I want to play for a REAL team”. THAT guy?
Our defense got much better with him gone.
January 27th, 2013 at 6:50 am
* serious..NOT seriousness.
January 27th, 2013 at 6:58 am
Trading Palmer for Cromartie is more realistic!
I wouldn’t give up (2) 1st RD picks for a all-pro CB coming off of a ACL surgery just 3 months ago!
January 27th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 26th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
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Raider O how cna he produce if he’s not on the field, you don’t get it he doesn’t know what he’s capable of because he simply hasn’t played. Part of being a good scout is projection anyone can look at production and make preety sound decisions the best scouts are great at projection. You hav eto know if a guy has reached his talent level or if he still has upside. Ansah is ALLL upside what he did today was extraordinary for a guy with so little playing time.
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I agree. Jaworski had a great comment when we took DHB. He said you draft someone for “how you PROJECT them as a Pro, that’s all this is”.
It may be a “gamble” to take Ansah that high but if you think he will be a beast at the next level, then take him. He obviously has a great work ethic & attitude. I’d say he’s worth the pick. As a revolutionary once said, “I would rather be right than consistent”.
January 27th, 2013 at 7:12 am
McClain would probably be good in a 3/4 with a strong line in front of him like he had at Bama.
Reggies comments of wishing him luck in his career etc. show that he’s not coming back.
We looked much better on D with him out.
What does that tell you?
January 27th, 2013 at 7:18 am
I agree with the poster that pointed out that Lechlers comments about the org. are not much worse than McClains and yet Lechler is pointed to as this ‘leader’ we can’t be without.
Lechler said “What do u expect…it’s Oakland” or something very similar. He’s said other things on different occasions as well.
I predict Lechler is history w/ Oakland.
We save around 3.8 mill.? Our punting game will suffer, but Lechler rarely was able to hit the coffin corner although he could boom it and his numbers dropped last season.
I’m ok with letting him go if it means money toward a # 1 WR.
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
January 27th, 2013 at 7:55 am
I always thought it was a waste to pay lechler that money even when he was the best in the league…..the difference between the best punter and an average punter is like 4-5 yards…..and I never thought lechler was the best….yes he booted the hell out of the ball….but the guy was a ME guy…..he routinly out punted his coverage and put the ball in the end zone…….lechler is no ray guy even though his numbers are better…..guy hung those punts….and when guy got older he was always hitting the coffin corners….no way lechler stays unless he willing to accept vet min….and even then I would probably go with the young guy
January 27th, 2013 at 7:57 am
R8eray Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 6:58 am
Trading Palmer for Cromartie is more realistic!
I wouldn’t give up (2) 1st RD picks for a all-pro CB coming off of a ACL surgery just 3 months ago!
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trading palmer is not realistic at all…the cap hit is too big
January 27th, 2013 at 8:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 5:18 am
the Raiders’ five biggest contracts, belonging to Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Tommy Kelly, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff, are projected to account for a staggering $59,055,684 against the salary cap in 2013. That total equates to 48.8 percent of the projected NFL salary cap of $121 million.
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whoa!!
hey Reggie, I see 5 more “out of whack” contracts for you to deal with … immediately!
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carson palmers contract is not THAT out of whack and reggie just signed branch to a long term contract last year…….huff they could get rid of but have a guy that can switch between safety and CB is pretty valuable….kelly is gone…and DHB is either gone or would have to accept less money…but he had a coulpe real bad concussions so i think his days are numbered…but I do like the way he run after the catch and still think he has value
January 27th, 2013 at 8:13 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:47 am
I would hope they keep Rolando.. chances are they might.. or still move him on draft day.
they can say cap all they want.. there is a reason why he hasnt been cut.. cuz if they really wanted him gone.. he would have been the day he got into it with DA
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the reason mcclain has not been cut is because of salary cap acceleration….they needed to push his cap hit to next year and they can also see if they can get any trade value(prob not)…he will be gone by the first day they have to meet the new 2013 cap…..and probably by the draft
January 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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And Al’s ghost lives on creating misdirection about the Raiders’ intentions.
January 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Geno Smith, Ansah, Fisher ….
Quite frankly, we can’t afford to do the I’m smarter than everyone else thing. This is a year we need to go with a consensus top prospect.
Picking at 3, there are about 5 names that make ANY kinda since according to everyone. We need to take one of those guys.
Joeckel
Moore
Werner
Millner
Mingo
January 27th, 2013 at 8:21 am
00tt00 Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:13 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 12:47 am
I would hope they keep Rolando.. chances are they might.. or still move him on draft day.
they can say cap all they want.. there is a reason why he hasnt been cut.. cuz if they really wanted him gone.. he would have been the day he got into it with DA
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the reason mcclain has not been cut is because of salary cap acceleration….they needed to push his cap hit to next year and they can also see if they can get any trade value(prob not)…he will be gone by the first day they have to meet the new 2013 cap…..and probably by the draft
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his contract is a little tough to follow, but it looks like he has amortized bonuses of $2.6M for each of 2013 and 2014. So if they cut him now it’s a $5.2M cap accelaration. If they wait until after June 1 then it’s back to the $2.6M per year.
They aren’t in a hurry and it behooves them to wait until closer to June to make a decision. Meanwhile, if they kind find a sucker for trade around draft time they have a bit more flexibility keeping his rights.
January 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Rolando to the ravens?
January 27th, 2013 at 8:56 am
Veldheer,Kyle long, wiz, bergstrom/briesel, jake long. Not a bad offensive line going into camp
January 27th, 2013 at 9:06 am
I like Barkley more than smith. Just for the record. We can trade down and still get our qB of the future.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:09 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Me too!
January 27th, 2013 at 9:10 am
irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Rolando to the ravens?
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Makes too much sense.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
The next dates where anyone that gives a shlt, should mark down; Until then, Go Ravens!!!
March 9-11–Clubs are permitted to enter into contract negotiations with certified agents of players who will be Unrestricted Free Agents at the end of the current League Year.
March 12–Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must exercise options for 2013 on all players who have option clauses in their 2012 contracts.
March 12–Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit Qualifying Offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation.
March 12–Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must submit a minimum salary offer to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2012 contracts and who have fewer than three seasons of free agency credit.
March 12–All 2012 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
March 12–Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time.
March 12–The 2013 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
March 12–Trading period begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, for 2013 after expiration of all 2012 contracts.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
you can talk about Palmer all you want but the spots dont change! He is what he is a journeyman! That’s it!This aint U.S.C. that’s way in the past! Now if D.A. wants to loose his job the plate is set! What 3 additional Ex-Head Coaches or /HC’s on the team it will be easy to let him go at any point during the season. Along with Palmer! Think we didn’t have patience with Knapp wait and see this year with Palmer! LOL!
January 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am
1615.J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Geno Smith, Ansah, Fisher ….
Quite frankly, we can’t afford to do the I’m smarter than everyone else thing. This is a year we need to go with a consensus top prospect.
Picking at 3, there are about 5 names that make ANY kinda since according to everyone. We need to take one of those guys.
Joeckel
Moore
Werner
Millner
Mingo
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JaMarcus and Gallery were also consensus top 5 on everyone’s draft board.
I’m sticking to my “we need to pick two(2) QBs this draft” wish list and if Geno Smith is one of them so be it.
Our QBs in camp should be:
Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith and that Baylor QB.
Or: Pryor, Smith, Nassib, and that Baylor QB.
This would have us in good shape long term. The second scenario is assuming Palmer got traded for a 2nd rnder and in that case the 2nd can be used on best available defensive player. We can get Nassib in the 3rd. Baylor QB in the 6th.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Trade down tactic.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
As far as Ansah having a great kid with a suberb work ethic and all that, is not a given.
You get a lot of rumblings around these parts about the importance of surrounding him with the “right people”.
I believe there are concerns that soccer is his favorite sport, then hoops, then track, THEN football.
This is a job for him, not a passion.
Too much risk at #3, IMO, but I am eager to see how he turns out.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Major Casualties: Tommy Kelly, Seymour, Mcclain
Restructures: Huff, DHB
Palmer trade to Jets for Cromartie/Revis (I think they would go for it, they are desperate)
Sign Jake Long to RT
Trade our #2 pick to Cards for a 2nd and 5th
Trade that pick to Rams for 16th overall and more
With Glennon and Smith off the board draft Matt Barkley
With our 2nd draft Kyle Long
Sign Mike Wallace/Jennings/Bowe (any no.1 WR)
OFFENSE IS SET
Bilikudi NT, Bryant DE, Houston DE, Wheeler OLB, Burris ILB, Omar Gaither ILB, ??? OLB.
Cromartie, Huff, Branch, Adams/??
DEFENSE IS SET WITH NEW SCHEME
With that I see all the money going to the right people and the new raider regime finally begins with Barkley. Cap problem solved for 2014 and about 5-7 other draft picks from rnds 3-7 in camp and working for a job
January 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Draft Geno and if he beats out Pryor in camp, move Pryor to Antwan Randle-El position.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:34 am
P.S with all the large contracts with Jake Long, No.1 WR, Barkley we are free to give veldheer the money he deserves in 2014
January 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Kyle Long is 6′6, 305, and has 32″ arms?!
Pass!
January 27th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Last I checked Pryor couldn’t beat out anyone in camp. It’s time to stop with the DT, LB, OL with the 3rd overall talk too IMO. We are not a player or two from contention. Rebuild with a new face of the franchise to go with our new organization. I’m decided… new QB with our first round pick. New raiders
January 27th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Raider O Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Kyle Long is 6′6, 305, and has 32″ arms?!
Pass!
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okay fine, but with a 2nd rnder we pick OL in my scenario….agreed?
January 27th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Major Casualties: Tommy Kelly, Seymour, Mcclain
Restructures: Huff, DHB
Palmer trade to Jets for Cromartie/Revis (I think they would go for it, they are desperate)
Sign Jake Long to RT
Trade our #2 pick to Cards for a 2nd and 5th
Trade that pick to Rams for 16th overall and more
With Glennon and Smith off the board draft Matt Barkley
With our 2nd draft Kyle Long
Sign Mike Wallace/Jennings/Bowe (any no.1 WR)
OFFENSE IS SET
Bilikudi NT, Bryant DE, Houston DE, Wheeler OLB, Burris ILB, Omar Gaither ILB, ??? OLB.
Cromartie, Huff, Branch, Adams/??
DEFENSE IS SET WITH NEW SCHEME
With that I see all the money going to the right people and the new raider regime finally begins with Barkley. Cap problem solved for 2014 and about 5-7 other draft picks from rnds 3-7 in camp and working for a job
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The only thing you said that I like is Jake long, I could do without the rest, and Matt Barkely are you serious!!!
January 27th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Upon further review Mike Wallace doesnt sound bad, I think he would fit well with Palmer(deep ball) and he would open up the short to mid range game for Streater Moore and Ford.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Sure am…Matt Barkley has his problems. Duh but so did Tom Brady.
Im not pretending to know how everything will work out, more importantly to my point I think we are ready for a new QB to run our team. If not Barkley then who? Geno Smith? Im ok with that…Barkley was more in a trade down situation which I love that idea this year
January 27th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Upon further review Mike Wallace doesnt sound bad, I think he would fit well with Palmer(deep ball) and he would open up the short to mid range game for Streater Moore and Ford. Also he keeps that 8th man out the box so Dmac can do his thing.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:55 am
I would like to see the Raiders have their first ever rookie QB who is around for an entire career. You know a franchise QB? Never had one, would be nice to not be talking new QB and Coaching staff every offseason…someone to build around
January 27th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Wheeler-Burris-Gaither-SERGIO KINDLE????
January 27th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Al Davis would love Geno Smith.
Tall, strong armed, pushes the ball down the field, stays in the pocket.
Geno Smith will run ABSOLUTELY ZERO read-option in the NFL.
And if we could get his caddy Stedman Bailey at WR in the 4th round, even better.
January 27th, 2013 at 9:59 am
QB is not a problem area for us right now imo, we have drafted too many skill players early over the last 10 years and it just hasnt worked out. Its time to focus on the trenches where the games are won and lost thats why I want Warmack even though I doubt it will happen. Its not a coincidence thae last time we were an elite team we had an elite Oline and controlled the game and turned a journeyman QB into a MVP.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Im good with the Geno Smith pick. Think he’s worth it at #3 though? No way to trade down and get our QB?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Also, there is a perception among some NFL front offices, that came up a lot when talking about Prince Amukamura, that African born players are “soft”.
Won’t play hurt, will retire a few years early, super-smart and ask “why” too much.
Don’t kill the messenger, but there were articles written on it.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Think he’s worth it at #3 though?
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He’s a QB, if you feel he is worth a 1st round pick, he should be able to go #1 overall.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am
East,
Our first pick in the draft the last two years, was an O-lineman.
2010, two of our first 4 picks were O-lineman.
We have been drafting more O-lineman of late than any other position!!!
January 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Eastoaklandraider
Totally agree with you there. BUT. Just sayin that I would like to see us with a franchise 10+ year future QB like the rest of the NFL. Journeyman QB is 2-3 years window for SB IMO. look at the Ravens. Won in 2000 with a journeyman. did nothing till Flacco. Now they are in the playoffs for the last 4 yrs and for the forseeable future…..thats what I want for our Raiders
January 27th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Al Davis would love Geno Smith.
Tall, strong armed, pushes the ball down the field, stays in the pocket.
Geno Smith will run ABSOLUTELY ZERO read-option in the NFL.
And if we could get his caddy Stedman Bailey at WR in the 4th round, even better.
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Al loved JRuss too, to the point where he passes on potentially the greatest WR of all time. Not saying that if you whiff on a QB or any other position that you shy away from drafting there, I just see Geno being dominant in the NFL game. Great college player yes, great NFL player???
January 27th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Broncos…in the playoffs with a journeyman. will only last so long then nothing. Chargers however are a threat every year with Rivers. have been since he got there. Smith, Glennon, Barkley maybe just maybe gives the raiders someone to lean on for a decade
January 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am
…and why not Matt Barkley after we gather more picks? no one saw Russell Wilson’s tape and said he’s a franchise QB. never know…it all depends on the person and situation
January 27th, 2013 at 10:10 am
JFB,
Why would KC and Jax pass on Geno?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Why would KC and Jax pass on Geno?
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Because they are KC and Jax??
Not exactly the mensa-club of the NFL these days.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Of course this all depends on if we can dump Palmer in a good cap deal or restructure him to a better salary for our team
January 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
If KC take Geno then that only makes my scenario more appealing to me. Teams will trade to us for Joekel.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
QB is too important of a position to worry about salary-cap issues if there is a problem.
You figure it out, and cut corners elsewhere.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:15 am
I agree that we need new guys in the trenches, would like to see a sure-fire #1 WR to.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:15 am
QB talk is borderline nonsense, man.
Much more interested in upgrading the talent at the WR position than the QB position.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:03 am
East,
Our first pick in the draft the last two years, was an O-lineman.
2010, two of our first 4 picks were O-lineman.
We have been drafting more O-lineman of late than any other position!!!
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And we were trending up until we fired Hue and set ourselves back another 2 years. Veld and Wiz we be here for years but that is only 2/5’s of the line that leaves 3 other spots that need to be upgraded. Warmack would be a great addition and so would Jake Long, the Run game would take off again and it would be a domino effect, all of sudden Wr,s are wide open in the secondary, were’re chewing up TOP, the D stays well rested and off the field which makes that unit better by default. Build the oline and wins will follow.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Who is the last team to trade up for an O-lineman in the first round?
Lots of trade downs, but the last trade up scenario involving a team trading up during the draft and taking an O-lineman was Jeff Otah (African born, BTW) who played like 30 games and quit.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:20 am
2012 draft:
1st pick O-line, 3rd pick D-line
2011 draft:
1st pick O-line, 3rd pick O-line
2010 draft:
2nd pick D-line, 3rd pick O-line, 4th pick O-line
Enough of this crap, it ain’t working.
I say we go back to DB’s and 40 times!!!!
January 27th, 2013 at 10:21 am
there is always a trade scenario at the #3 pick. Either way i think we would do well to change the face of this team. I like carson but i’m over the huge expectations, huge contracts, and huge disappointment from skill positions on this team. Also done with the TP talk. New QB.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Raider O Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Kyle Long is 6′6, 305, and has 32″ arms?!
Pass!
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okay fine, but with a 2nd rnder we pick OL in my scenario….agreed?
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No. I want CB.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 am
we fired Hue and set ourselves back another 2 years.
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Hue just had to win one game, bruh.
Should have fire Chuck B the same way folks say Allen should have fired Knapp.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am
LOL Chico!
January 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Trade down tactic.
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Yep, agreed. Reggie’s not the kind of guy who thinks you can build an NFL qb by being weak everywhere else, esp. the lines.
Even if you believe an inexperienced new qb might be good one day, you’ll likely destroy him if he has mediocre to bad tools to help him.
We are not a qb away from building a strong team. We HAVE a qb who can succeed if the usual pieces of a good football team are in front and behind him.
We also are NOT a team with cap space and stocked draft picks that would enable us to make deals to attain several game changers, which is what a team would need to instantly build a strong team IF that team were intent on drafting a qb (like Smith) and starting him immediately.
This is, at a minimum, a three year project to attain the building blocks of a strong team that will, after that, compete for division titles and beyond….a minimum of three and we are about to enter year 2…still a ways away.
It would be Al who looked at Revis or at Smith and said, “I think…I think… I think that’ll put us over the top if only coaches would make the talent I hire perform the way I know they can.”
Al was delusional about the “talent” he chose.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am
JFB,
But where is our high first rd pick on the Oline?
Can we ge just 1?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am
All this trade Carson to the Jets talk is rediculous. It will NEVER happen for too many reasons to list.
Revis is not coming here and why would you want a guy like Cromartie? Goes against changing the “culture” doesn’t it?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:26 am
if we draft QB in the 1st, we have Jake Long in FA. veldheer and wiz. new QB would be fine. i don’t believe in drafting OL to protect an aging QB with no playoff wins either
January 27th, 2013 at 10:26 am
But where is our high first rd pick on the Oline?
Can we ge just 1?
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There is no shortage of quality O-lineman who come out every year.
I would be cool with Warmack, but that is a long-term thing, IMO.
Warmack + Palmer = 5-11 still
January 27th, 2013 at 10:27 am
We drafted R Gallery with the 2nd pick to be an avg OG.
Stop with this OL crap.
Other than LT, which is not a position of need, I like to draft OL especially interior OL in later rounds.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Warmack + Palmer = 5-11 still
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Ad Wallace to that, and we are 11-5!
January 27th, 2013 at 10:29 am
There have been a lot of PRE-DRAFT trades involving teams that moved up and eventually took an O-linman (49ers with Davis for example). And who knows, maybe that’s who they were targeting all along.
As far as during the draft trades, where an O-lineman is on the board still and a team moves up to get him??
Doesn’t happen. I looked in the past 5 years and saw one.
Jeff Otah, 2008 draft, and that burned the Panthers. They got 29 games out of him.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Actually, we drafted Gallery to be a damn good LT.
Too bad we just completely phucced his head up. Gallery was a damn good RT. Had one bad year as a LT, and he never saw that position again. Some guy named Cable thought OG was the most important position in his scheme, lol.
What a damn shame the Gallery experience was for us.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:31 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Warmack + Palmer = 5-11 still
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Ad Wallace to that, and we are 11-5!
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then what? lose in the playoffs if we get there, same problem in 2014 with our QB but now we have Wallace a year in with no practice with our new QB? does anyone in here really thing Palmer is going to get us to SB in next two years?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:32 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 am
we fired Hue and set ourselves back another 2 years.
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Hue just had to win one game, bruh.
Should have fire Chuck B the same way folks say Allen should have fired Knapp.
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We’ve been through this many times but here we go again, did you see the SD finale? Palmer threw for how many yards? was Dmac playing? how many punts did the D force again? Allen could have easily fired knapp and handed the keys to Saunders but who was Hue gonna hand the keys to on D? We’ve been through this Hue thing plenty I’m through with it. That is until someone tries to piss on his name like he didnt accomplish schit here lol.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:34 am
we need a QB to lead our franchise…not just to the playoffs but to relevance. to a new stadium proposal…to ticket sales…to bring us out of the NFL gutter. It’s not Carson. It’s not Pryor. It’s not a lineman or a cornerback…it’s a new GM, HC, Owner … and you guessed it. QUARTERBACK
January 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am
The week before the SD game, Chuck B’s defense saved the season for Hue Jackson.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:36 am
#1674
Get’s it
January 27th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:26 am
But where is our high first rd pick on the Oline?
Can we ge just 1?
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There is no shortage of quality O-lineman who come out every year.
I would be cool with Warmack, but that is a long-term thing, IMO.
Warmack + Palmer = 5-11 still
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Warmack + Palmer + Dmac = dominant run game which opens up the entire offense.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Is the suggestion really that we should pass on drafting certain positions in rd 1 because of past failures?
What is an example of a successful pick that we should repeat then?
Russell means don’t draft a QB.
Huff means don’t draft a FS.
DHB means no WR.
Gallery means no OT.
McFadden means no RB.
McClain means no MLB.
And so on????
January 27th, 2013 at 10:38 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Geno Smith, Ansah, Fisher ….
Quite frankly, we can’t afford to do the I’m smarter than everyone else thing. This is a year we need to go with a consensus top prospect.
Picking at 3, there are about 5 names that make ANY kinda since according to everyone. We need to take one of those guys.
Joeckel
Moore
Werner
Millner
Mingo
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The problem is that I don’t think anyone considers this a great draft. I also don’t consider Fisher much of a risk. He was dominant in drills this past week. I don’t necessarily think Werner is a better prospect than Ansah either.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:39 am
does anyone in here really thing Palmer is going to get us to SB in next two years?
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By himself? Certainly not.
And I don’t see a QB in this draft who will get us there either.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am
It’s not Carson. It’s not Pryor. It’s not a lineman or a cornerback…it’s a new GM, HC, Owner … and you guessed it. QUARTERBACK
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It’s not Geno Smith or Matt Barkley either.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I MENTIONED THAT A FEW DAYS BACK JHILL..THIS ORGANISATION HAS WIFF’D AT SO MANY POSITIONS EARLY I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST SIT THIS DRAFT OUT.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:32 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:22 am
we fired Hue and set ourselves back another 2 years.
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Hue just had to win one game, bruh.
Should have fire Chuck B the same way folks say Allen should have fired Knapp.
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We’ve been through this many times but here we go again, did you see the SD finale? Palmer threw for how many yards? was Dmac playing? how many punts did the D force again? Allen could have easily fired knapp and handed the keys to Saunders but who was Hue gonna hand the keys to on D? We’ve been through this Hue thing plenty I’m through with it. That is until someone tries to piss on his name like he didnt accomplish schit here lol.
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Yup, they gotta rip Hue to make Denise look more competent.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Warmack + Palmer + Dmac = dominant run game
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For what, 3 weeks?
D-Mac can’t be counted on, anything over 500 yards (about his average NFL season) is a bonus.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:34 am
we need a QB to lead our franchise…not just to the playoffs but to relevance. to a new stadium proposal…to ticket sales…to bring us out of the NFL gutter. It’s not Carson. It’s not Pryor. It’s not a lineman or a cornerback…it’s a new GM, HC, Owner … and you guessed it. QUARTERBACK
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Rome wasn’t burnt in a day. You are not going to mortgage the future of the franchise for ANOTHER ten years on an unknown product with piles of crap around him. Not when you have a solid Q for the next 5-6 years. Palmer is not the problem. Anyone with any sense knows that. You build a football team exactly the way you build a baseball team: you toughen the middle first. That was the mistake Davis kept making, bringing in corners and corners, and we had no one in the middle. The Whiners build their team the right way. Center, two guards, Q, RB, DT, DT, MLB, S. Look where they are.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:42 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I MENTIONED THAT A FEW DAYS BACK JHILL..THIS ORGANISATION HAS WIFF’D AT SO MANY POSITIONS EARLY I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST SIT THIS DRAFT OUT.
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Funny
January 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:39 am
does anyone in here really thing Palmer is going to get us to SB in next two years?
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By himself? Certainly not.
And I don’t see a QB in this draft who will get us there either.
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so i guess we should just stop trying then right? Palmer is not a OT or WR short of a SB.
you’re right we should just continue being the NFL’s turnstile of talent. keep getting old QBs and let our young guys play for the hopes of getting signed huge contracts with winning teams after a few years. Say what you want about this years QB “Talent” it’s all about potential….nobody said Kaepernick, Wilson, Flacco would change the franchise…but hey what do you know!? they did
January 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Pass on geno smith he suck’s if we r gonna take a qb it should be Tyler Wilson kid is gonna be a stud in the NFL
January 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I also don’t consider Fisher much of a risk. He was dominant in drills this past week. I don’t necessarily think Werner is a better prospect than Ansah either.
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Werner and Ansah are a good comparison since they are both relatively new to the game. I haven’t seen Ansah play at all.
Fisher looked good too.
But we are talking 3rd overall. There needs to be something like an additional 2nd rd pick gained if we end up taking that kinda gamble.
Trade down.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Wilson is too much like IR’GIII, when he gets hit, it looks like a car crash.
Won’t last at all in the NFL.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Seymour
Wasn’t our team one of the best O-line teams in 2011? I hardly think we need to build the trenches like past years. New defensive scheme and Offensive scheme will go a long way IMO
January 27th, 2013 at 10:48 am
ian85 Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Pass on geno smith he suck’s if we r gonna take a qb it should be Tyler Wilson kid is gonna be a stud in the NFL
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I would sign off on that one too
January 27th, 2013 at 10:50 am
llen could have easily fired knapp and handed the keys to Saunders but who was Hue gonna hand the keys to on D
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The Dline coach. Forgot his name.
ONE game, man. HC is responsible for the entire team. He didn’t get it done.
Not that hard to admit. And I would have been fine with Hue coming back. I think the players were the problem then, like I do now.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Yup, they gotta rip Hue to make Denise look more competent.
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Hue Jackson is the reason our franchise is circling the drain. Did you read the comments by Chris Johnson that there was no team here? You know why? Jackson was getting his nails done, not leading a team. And as I have said a ton of times, this is not me saying this, it’s the LEAGUE saying it. The second Jackson was gone, Baltimore won more games, played in the AFC Championship Game, and now the Super Bowl. All without Jackson. What does that tell you?
January 27th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Seymour
Wasn’t our team one of the best O-line teams in 2011?
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Yes. Then we got rid of Samson Satele, our best interior lineman.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:54 am
so i guess we should just stop trying then right?
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No need to be so dramatic.
What we do is make sure the Palmer/DMac duo can’t work. Make sure it wasn’t Krapps offense and play calling.
Then you make sure Pryor can or can’t play.
If they both are the QBs you seem to think they are, we have the chance to draft a better QB next year.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Sam Satele got a bad rap in here, not sure why.
But then, everybody loved Bruce Campbell, so I guess that is a decent indicator.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Is the suggestion really that we should pass on drafting certain positions in rd 1 because of past failures?
What is an example of a successful pick that we should repeat then?
Russell means don’t draft a QB.
Huff means don’t draft a FS.
DHB means no WR.
Gallery means no OT.
McFadden means no RB.
McClain means no MLB.
And so on????
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DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:40 am
I MENTIONED THAT A FEW DAYS BACK JHILL..THIS ORGANISATION HAS WIFF’D AT SO MANY POSITIONS EARLY I GUESS WE SHOULD JUST SIT THIS DRAFT OUT.
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LOL DLF.
It means we should learn from our mistakes.
- don’t reach for player (DHB)
- there is no such thing as a safe pick (Gallery)
- Research the play on & of the field. (Jabustus and McClain)
January 27th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Sam Satele got a bad rap in here, not sure why.
But then, everybody loved Bruce Campbell, so I guess that is a decent indicator.
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I think you nailed it.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Free DMC!!!!
January 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Sam Satele got a bad rap in here, not sure why.
But then, everybody loved Bruce Campbell, so I guess that is a decent indicator.
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Yeah he did. Not sure Bruce Campbellhad anything to do with it.
January 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Player* not play on & of…..
January 27th, 2013 at 10:59 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Yup, they gotta rip Hue to make Denise look more competent.
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Hue Jackson is the reason our franchise is circling the drain. Did you read the comments by Chris Johnson that there was no team here? You know why? Jackson was getting his nails done, not leading a team. And as I have said a ton of times, this is not me saying this, it’s the LEAGUE saying it. The second Jackson was gone, Baltimore won more games, played in the AFC Championship Game, and now the Super Bowl. All without Jackson. What does that tell you?
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You’re not that simplistic to think that Hue was holding the Ravens back from winning more games do you? Joe Flacco was a ROOKIE when Hue got there. I think it’s natural QB’s get better with time in the league. Unless you’re willing to give Hue credit for developing Flacco & making him the 1st rookie to win 2 playoff games.
Did Chris Johnson say anything specific about Hue? Do you want me to dig up comments from Trevor Scott, Tj Housmanzadeh, Seymour about Hue? BTW, why did we cut CJ again? Who were those great corners we brought in?
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Paul Ryan on Meet The Press .Lol
January 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Did you read the comments by Chris Johnson that there was no team here?
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I don’t jsut put that on Hue.
I think that speaks volumes on the whole org. The owner, the HC, the DC, the DB coach, the frickin captains on defense especially.
Just REALLY phucced up, man.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Shutdown Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:23 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Matt Miller @nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Trade down tactic.
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Yep, agreed. Reggie’s not the kind of guy who thinks you can build an NFL qb by being weak everywhere else, esp. the lines.
Even if you believe an inexperienced new qb might be good one day, you’ll likely destroy him if he has mediocre to bad tools to help him.
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JaMarcus agrees with you.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am
But then, everybody loved Bruce Campbell,
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Everybody???
Satele got roasted more than Campbell because he was actually on the field stinking it up in front of our eyes.
Campbell was a project 4th rd pick that SOME people were rooting for to replace another bum on the Oline. HOPEING Al Davis found a gem is all Campbell was.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:54 am
so i guess we should just stop trying then right?
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No need to be so dramatic.
What we do is make sure the Palmer/DMac duo can’t work. Make sure it wasn’t Krapps offense and play calling.
Then you make sure Pryor can or can’t play.
If they both are the QBs you seem to think they are, we have the chance to draft a better QB next year.
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it’s true. But i’m not so sure there isn’t a keeper in this draft. I forgot about Tyler Wilson. like the dude
January 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Irjonny Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Seymour
Wasn’t our team one of the best O-line teams in 2011? I hardly think we need to build the trenches like past years. New defensive scheme and Offensive scheme will go a long way IMO
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No the Oline was not one of the best in 2011 it just seemed that way because we had a good offensive mind controlling the offense(Hue) now that we no longer have that the oline was seen for what it really is, in need of help.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
J,
We STILL have people saying that giving up on Lochness was a huge mistake, etc, etc.
Dude sucked, never played well in game situations for us, and he was treated like he was a future Pro Bowler in waiting.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 10:13 am
QB is too important of a position to worry about salary-cap issues if there is a problem.
You figure it out, and cut corners elsewhere.
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Lol! Am I on the right blog??? All of a sudden, JFB thinks salary cap issues can be “figured out”???? About time you woke up.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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That just makes too much dam sense, for most here to understand.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Not saying “figured out” as an easy thing, saying you cut corners on your OG, strong arm a DB, cut an overpaid DE even if he is fairly productive but overpaid.
But QB?? You do whatever needs to be done to trot out the best QB out there.
We are the same as the Jets. Do they trot out Mark Sanchez, strictly because he would be a big cap-hit? Of course not!!!
But any other position on their team?? Salary cap will factor in first and foremost on the decision.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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And now that Hue is gone again WALA back to 12 loses lol but smh.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:22 am
You’re not that simplistic to think that Hue was holding the Ravens back from winning more games do you?
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I am just stating the facts. Flacco got better and better without Jackson. Is that natural development? Cam Cameron? They fired Cam Cameron. Tom Cable took over here, and the team got better. Tom Cable went to Seattle, their team got better. Jackson took over here. Our team got worse. Baltimore got better without him. Those are the facts. Whether that is causal or not, is for all of you to decide.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Not saying “figured out” as an easy thing, saying you cut corners on your OG, strong arm a DB, cut an overpaid DE even if he is fairly productive but overpaid.
But QB?? You do whatever needs to be done to trot out the best QB out there.
We are the same as the Jets. Do they trot out Mark Sanchez, strictly because he would be a big cap-hit? Of course not!!!
But any other position on their team?? Salary cap will factor in first and foremost on the decision.
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Pretty sure the Jets will be trotting Sanchez out there.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Consensus smart decisions should be the HABIT we start forming. All smart decisions don’t actually work, but more often they do.
STs coach = smart decision.
Sporano = smart decision
Scheme selection = smart decision.
As long as most people are coming away saying we did the right thing, we should be good in the long term.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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That just makes too much dam sense, for most here to understand.
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I thought you all said Palmer is the loser here.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Pretty sure the Jets will be trotting Sanchez out there.
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Just like you were pretty sure we wouldn’t cut Jamarcus because we paid him too much money already?
Or you were sure Vick would stay in Philly and maybe get a pay raise?
You have shown over the years, a complete disdain for even acknowledging that their is a business side to the game.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Cable took over here, and the team got better.
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No Cable came here and went 5-11, team did not get better
Hue is hired as OC and team gets better
Cable is fired and team still gets better under Hue.
those are the facts.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:28 am
If we could somehow end up with another 1st rd pick, then I wouldn’t be opposed to taking a QB.
Say the Jets somehow pull of the Revis trade, get extra #1s, and want to subsequently trade for Palmer.
Maybe Cleveland and Norvell want Palmer and will give us a #1.
Outside of us getting a high draft pick for one of the QBs we have, QB doesn’t seem “smart” at #3.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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That just makes too much dam sense, for most here to understand.
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I thought you all said Palmer is the loser here.
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I’ve always backed Palmer and the trade and will continue to do so.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Hue is gone…so what? Gotta make due with new coaching. Every time a team gets a new coach and pairs him with a new QB and they succeed it makes my blood boil. why don’t we give it a try?
-Falcons
-49ers (kind of)
-Ravens
-Packers
-Colts
-Redskins
-Texans
-Lions
-even the Jets
look at those teams and tell me how many have made the playoffs since those changes. sometimes it fails but at least you can try and try again. that’s the name of the game.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
This team has lost at least 11 games since the last Super Bowl appearance except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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That just makes too much dam sense, for most here to understand.
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Nope, the guy was black, that all the understanding some people know.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am
except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
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Jason Campbell?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:31 am
While many here pine for the return of Jon Gruden, I was under the impression the Cowboys’ latest coaching hires catered more to a Chucky return… ESPN and Rotoworld say nope…
Via Rotoworld.com:
According to a “reliable team source,” speculation that the Cowboys’ recent coaching hires are a sign owner Jerry Jones is preparing to replace Jason Garrett with Jon Gruden is “ridiculous.”
New DC Monte Kiffin and offensive play-caller Bill Callahan both spent years working under Gruden, while Garrett’s brother/TEs coach John departed his staff for the Bucs. However, if Jones is planning a “Chucky” takeover, he won’t do so until 2014. Now on the wrong side of 70, Jones will be certain to pursue big names to replace Garrett if the Cowboys tank again in 2013.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Cable is fired and team still gets better under Hue.
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Better????
8-8 = 8-8
January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am
J Hill
That was what I was going to say 8-8 = 8-8, better?
Sure, offensive production was improved, but, end result was not.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Cable was another 5-11 until Hue got there.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
2010 scored more points than the 2011 team.
Hue’s offense got worse without Cable.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:36 am
One of the major problems with the Raiders is we have not built our team the way championship teams are built. We built our team from the outside in, not the inside out. Wis not very good at center. Guards are far from dominant. RB might be the most over rated player in the entire league.
Look at Baltimore: they signed Matt Birk a Pro Bowl center in free agency, Yanda is a pro bowl RG, Leach a Pro Bowl FB, Rice a pro bowl RB, and they have an excellent young Q in flacco.
The Whiners signed Goodwin the solid center from the World Champ New Orleans team, they have two of the best guards in the league, and a pro bowl running back.
That’s how you build championship teams.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
2010 scored more points than the 2011 team.
Hue’s offense got worse without Cable.
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Hue’s 2010 offense scored more than Hue’s 2011 offense?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am
except for 2 years where they played .500 football. Who was there at that time?
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Jason Campbell?
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LOL! He got benched for Grads, who won the STL game. And Campbell was hue by what game 6 in 2011? I liked Campbell, but c’mon.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Apparently, Oakland isn’t the only place where the Jon Gruden Return conspiracy theories exist…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/27/report-gruden-to-dallas-talk-is-ridiculous/
January 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Good afternoon, everyone!
So should we discuss politics or religion today?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Nope, the guy was black, that all the understanding some people know.
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Then there are some of us who just SIMPLY understand the new guy wanting to bring in his own guy.
Or maybe the OWNER didn’t like him.
Maybe the owner said the Jackson regarding the Palmer trade …”would you bet your job on it?”
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Eastoaklandraider Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Cable took over here, and the team got better.
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No Cable came here and went 5-11, team did not get better
Hue is hired as OC and team gets better
Cable is fired and team still gets better under Hue.
those are the facts.
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Uh, in sports, you are only as good as your last at bat. Jackson took over 8-8 and ended 0-5. errr, 1-4. That’s where we are now.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Cable is fired and team still gets better under Hue.
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Better????
8-8 = 8-8
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In Cable’s 8-8 season did we ever reach 7-4?
With Hue we reached 7-4 with our best players, then Dmac goes down, CP3 off the couch etc etc. That 8-8 season is by comparison is much better.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
2010 scored more points than the 2011 team.
Hue’s offense got worse without Cable.
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Hue’s 2010 offense scored more than Hue’s 2011 offense? Jason Campbell?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Good afternoon, everyone!
So should we discuss politics or religion today?
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The politics of religion and which is the one true path is what we all want to discuss.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
2010 scored more points than the 2011 team.
Hue’s offense got worse without Cable.
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Hue’s 2010 offense scored more than Hue’s 2011 offense? Jason Campbell?
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Jackson was running Tom Cables offense.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:42 am
In hardwood news…
The Boston Celtics’ Rajon Rondo has torn his ACL.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Jackson was running Tom Cables offense. Lol, really?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Cable was another 5-11 until Hue got there.
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Cable was not a play caller. I think it’s fair to say that We could have brought in a number of OC and the offensive production would have tripled.
Hue was a decent OC, imo. Not perfect, not great. Could have certainly improved with experience and probably would have. Same can be said about him as a HC.
But he’s not a Raider, so ……..
January 27th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:22 am
You’re not that simplistic to think that Hue was holding the Ravens back from winning more games do you?
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I am just stating the facts. Flacco got better and better without Jackson. Is that natural development? Cam Cameron? They fired Cam Cameron. Tom Cable took over here, and the team got better. Tom Cable went to Seattle, their team got better. Jackson took over here. Our team got worse. Baltimore got better without him. Those are the facts. Whether that is causal or not, is for all of you to decide.
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Tom Cable has done a great job with their OL in Seattle, but are you are crediting him over Carroll & that front office with getting the team better? BTW, I would gladly take their VP GM over our GM right now.
Hue kept as 8-8 in his 1st year with all the crap he had to deal with. I believe he gave up too much to get Palmer but Palmer was 100 times more effective in a Hue offense than Denise’s boy Knapp. Hue’s 2 years here mirror Gruden’s although I believe Hue’s work was more impressive considering the circumstances.
I posted last night that Hue’s opponents a year ago were 4 games over .500 while Denise’s was 12 games under .500
Then I guess it’s logical to say we are much worse under Denise now right?
January 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
If we are 7-4 with Hue and dmac doesnt get hurt and we have our dmac/bush combo I think that would have been good for at least 1 to 2 more wins.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
He got benched for Grads, who won the STL game.
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Gardowski got a Save, lol.
Starter gets the W.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
J Hill Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Nope, the guy was black, that all the understanding some people know.
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Then there are some of us who just SIMPLY understand the new guy wanting to bring in his own guy.
Or maybe the OWNER didn’t like him.
Maybe the owner said the Jackson regarding the Palmer trade …”would you bet your job on it?”
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and that reasoning is asinine. Because if hiring your “own” guy instead of hiring someone better is the way you conduct your business you will finding new employment soon. Hopefully Mark & the new Reggime understand how brain dead so many of their decisions were this past off-season.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Pretty sure the Jets will be trotting Sanchez out there.
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Just like you were pretty sure we wouldn’t cut Jamarcus because we paid him too much money already?
Or you were sure Vick would stay in Philly and maybe get a pay raise?
You have shown over the years, a complete disdain for even acknowledging that their is a business side to the game.
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I will admit to having a distaste for moneyball types that don’t seem to understand football. I believe Sanchez starts because he’s the best option they have. Who should replace him? Alex Smith? Tebow? McElroy? Unless they upgrade the supporting cast, all of them will fail. Sanchez makes the most since. And when did I ever say that Mike Vick was getting a raise? But I don’t think he deserves a pay cut just because of a subpar year behind a sieve of an OL. The guy kept getting up and never tried to shift blame. He was a leader like no other this season. Nobody is calling for Phillip Rivers to take a pay cut or be waived. I’m convinced that you haven’t watched Vick play a game since at least 2010. You should lay off the stats and sound bites and watch a football game one of these days.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Hue Jackson engineered two of the best records the Raiders have had in 10 years, and he’s hated by some white fans, why?
Never mind.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am
If Jason Campbell doesn’t get hurt, we win the division going away.
And Hue’s offense would have certainly got all the credit. Jason phuccing Campbell shouldn’t be that damn hard to replace for such an offensive genius. Especially when his handpicked backup is on the squad!
Matt sorry arsse Cassell came off the bemnch and won 11 damn games. That’s coaching.
Hue talked our vulnerable owner into the worst trade EVER, hindsight being 20/20. And he couldn’t get us one damn win to end the season with the QB he choose AGAIN!
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:22 am
You’re not that simplistic to think that Hue was holding the Ravens back from winning more games do you?
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I am just stating the facts. Flacco got better and better without Jackson. Is that natural development? Cam Cameron? They fired Cam Cameron. Tom Cable took over here, and the team got better. Tom Cable went to Seattle, their team got better. Jackson took over here. Our team got worse. Baltimore got better without him. Those are the facts. Whether that is causal or not, is for all of you to decide.
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Tom Cable has done a great job with their OL in Seattle, but are you are crediting him over Carroll & that front office with getting the team better? BTW, I would gladly take their VP GM over our GM right now.
Hue kept as 8-8 in his 1st year with all the crap he had to deal with. I believe he gave up too much to get Palmer but Palmer was 100 times more effective in a Hue offense than Denise’s boy Knapp. Hue’s 2 years here mirror Gruden’s although I believe Hue’s work was more impressive considering the circumstances.
I posted last night that Hue’s opponents a year ago were 4 games over .500 while Denise’s was 12 games under .500
Then I guess it’s logical to say we are much worse under Denise now right?
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Stop man your making too much sense, most are going into system overload.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Now for the defense: We have spent tens of millions of dollars to build the “twinkie defense”. Soft and creamy in the middle. Our record was 3-4, and all of y’alls favorite player, Rich Seymour goes down, and we go 1-8 to end the season. We have average defensive tackles, and an even bigger problem, no MLB out there. Without a MLB of any caliber, and a “twinkie defense” you now know why we continually go 5-11. Branch is one good element in our middle defense. Let’s see how championship teams built their defenses:
While both teams run a different scheme than we do Baltimore has a 350 lb nose, and an All Pro in Ngata on the line interior. All World Ray Lewis and at this point, a better player in Jameel McClain are the interior backers. Bernard Pollard who you should all remember from KC is a solid strong safety.
Same with the Whiners: Sopoaga, McDonald are very good and Justin Smith is just plain All World. Willis and Bowman are the best inside LB pair in the league, and they signed Donte Whitner from Buffalo for nothing. Whitner has always been one of my favorite players. How they got him for nothing is mind boggling.
As you can see, championship teams are built strong up the middle. We are a gaping hole up the middle like beech dawgs mom.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Hubris had a great offensive mind when he was a Raider.
Now that Hubris is no longer a Raider, damn straight I hate him — He’s no longer part of the Raider organization.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
If the Lily white DA had won 8 games last year, Wow wooooooohoooooooo he’d be canonized.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:54 am
If the Lily white DA had won 8 games last year, Wow wooooooohoooooooo he’d be canonized.
But, he only won 4 games.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Tom Cable has done a great job with their OL in Seattle, but are you are crediting him over Carroll & that front office with getting the team better? BTW, I would gladly take their VP GM over our GM right now.
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What you guys fail to realize is Cable is a top notch offensive wiz. He ran some of the top offenses in college and brought that to the pro game. In Seattle, Carrol runs the defense and Cable and Bevell run the offense. What is most telling, and you can go back and watch this, is when Wilson comes off the field, he will go right up to Cable. That tells me a lot right there. Is it Tom Cable that has made Seattle a winnner? No. In the immortal words of Al Davis, organizations win and lose, not one guy. They have done a good job up there. But when we fired Cable, which I thought was a HUGE mistake, in the immortal words of Rob Ryan, he was out of work for about five minutes. And his stock is a lot higher right now.
January 27th, 2013 at 11:57 am
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Hue Jackson engineered two of the best records the Raiders have had in 10 years, and he’s hated by some white fans, why?
Never mind.
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Two of the best?? THE two best!
January 27th, 2013 at 11:59 am
If the Lily white DA had won 8 games last year, Wow wooooooohoooooooo he’d be canonized.
Then again, I don t know how many Lily black coaches could get a Head Coaching job with that resume.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Who raised their stock during Sr. Bowl Week.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Preview-of-the-actual-Senior-Bowl-Game-Defense.html
“Questions at QB: I asked three pro scouts who had the best week of practice in Mobile and I got three different answers: Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon and E.J. Manuel. My take? I’m going with Nassib. The Syracuse QB will need to develop his overall game, but the skill set was the best I saw on the field. Without Geno Smith and Matt Barkley (both opted out of the Senior Bowl), this group didn’t have one QB that stood above the rest.”
“First Round Talent at Offensive Tackle: Both Eric Fisher (CMU) and Lane Johnson (Oklahoma) displayed solid footwork, technique, power and could be the next two tackles to come off the board this April after Texas A&M’s Luke Joeckel. They weren’t perfect on every rep, but you could see enough in 1-on-1 and team drills to know that these two will make some money this year.”
“Solid group of wide outs: Markus Wheaton (Oregon State), Quinton Patton (Louisiana Tech), Chris Harper (Kansas State), etc. However, the one prospect I really enjoyed watching this week was Marquise Goodwin (Texas). The WR has legit speed and I’m interested to see how he fits in an NFL game plan next season. He could be a playmaker.”
“Raw talent at DE: Margus Hunt (SMU) and Ezekial Ansah (BYU). Both are really raw at this stage of their development and must work on their technique when they rush the passer. Can’t lean on the bull rush when you compete against top competition. They both need pro coaching. A pretty common theme when catching up with scouts before I left town this week.”
January 27th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Hue Jackson engineered two of the best records the Raiders have had in 10 years, and he’s hated by some white fans, why?
Never mind.
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You compare him to Gruden. IN Gruden’s second 8-8 season which if you remember, he was really hanging precariously. There was no guarantee Gruden was going to be brought back. Gruden lost a game against Denver in OT, and lost another close one here to KC. But he ended 3-2 in his last five, including an OT game in KC that probably saved his job. THAT is night and day better than 0-5 with a few absolute blowouts to end for jackson. Color and race have nothing to do with it.
January 27th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Al Davis would love Geno Smith.
Tall, strong armed, pushes the ball down the field, stays in the pocket.
Geno Smith will run ABSOLUTELY ZERO read-option in the NFL.
And if we could get his caddy Stedman Bailey at WR in the 4th round, even better
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Thats not true. Geno runs the read option alot only he takes a two step drop back and throws. His middle game is outstanding.
Its like RG3 running the read option when THROWING. not running tho. he can move probaly wont in NFL unless its for a 1st down
January 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
someone here mentioned being aware of Ansah or his what kind of kid he is… . Well every draft pick is a risk.
Gallery was the next big thing.
but ansah is a smart kid
Duane B@duane_busby
Another plus for Ziggy Ansah is that he’s a good student about to graduate from BYU with a degree in act