Ravens’ Johnson grateful to Hue, Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, January 29th, 2013 at 3:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Former Raiders cornerback Chris Johnson, who asked for his release last season while recovering from a family tragedy, was grateful to former coach Hue Jackson and the organization for the support he got after his sister was killed and his mother was shot in an alleged domestic dispute.
Johnson, a reserve cornerback for the Baltimore Ravens, said Jackson, along with defensive backs coaches Rod Woodson and Kevin Ross as well as Raiders legend Willie Brown, checked on him constantly. Johnson also feels indebted to late owner Al Davis, who made him a starting cornerback at age 29 and paid him accordingly.
“I’m very thankful for what Mr. Davis did for me,” Johnson said. “I love that organization, the organization was good to me and my family.”
Johnson thought the decision to fire Jackson was a mistake, and asked about his observations about the differences between the Ravens and the Raiders, he did not pull any punches:
– “Hue was an outspoken coach, and that’s what you want as a player, you want somebody to go to war for you and talk and let him do the talking and the players are going to do the backing up. Hu was the best coach I had since I was out there. I mean, we went 8-8, we was a good, solid team, you could see the identity of the team. I don’t know what was said, he wasn’t for the team or whatever, that was a straight lie. Hue had the best interests for the team and there were some of the guys in that locker room _ some of the key guys in that locker room _ that weren’t leaders. Here, on this team, Ray (Lewis) controls that locker room.”
– “I’d put it like this, if you put Ray Lewis in the Oakland locker room, probably a good 20 people wouldn’t be on that team, because pf the way Ray runs his ship, and manning up the guys. In Oakland the guys weren’t like that I mean, I’m not going to call no names, but the high guys you’re supposed to put the position on, they weren’t leaders, you talk a good game but they weren’t playing a good game. Ray does that. That was more of the thing that was wrong with Oakland, they were getting guys that didn’t love the game.”
Johnson took in his 14-year-old niece, while his nephew is living with his mother, now fully recovered physically.
The nightmare will be revisted later this month when Esters goes on trial on Texas.
“It’s going to bring all the emotions right back up,’’ Johnson said. “We’ll try to deal with that after the Super Bowl. Hopefullly on Sunday we’ll be able to hold up that trophy.’’
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January 29th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Mistic we are the same page, only team that would trade for a 33 yr. qb would need to be banished from the NFL and sent to the CFL
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agreed
especially considering his 19 turnovers this past season and his wildly inaccurate Depp ball, which is supposed to be the strength of his game.
He looked shop worn and shot. mr potato head has a stronger arm than palmer
January 29th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
1st?
January 29th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
wish we still had hue, so still alotta check cashers huh?
January 29th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
wish we still had cj….
January 29th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
HueJack and CJ = Class acts.
January 29th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
agreed
especially considering his 19 turnovers this past season and his wildly inaccurate Depp ball, which is supposed to be the strength of his game.
He looked shop worn and shot. mr potato head has a stronger arm than palmer
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the guy wasn’t that bad a qb, wasn’t great but wasn’t bad. our team is bad. i know you’ll deny that and come up with stats like 19 turnovers but i can tell you he passed for 4k yards if i wanted to use stats to help my argument. i can also tell you he had a higher qb rating than jason campbell. less turnovers than michael vick. You want pryor to be the qb so bad for obvious reasons and i would love for us to be able to trade palmer but it’s not very likely so since palmer is the best qb we have at the moment why not let pryor be brought along under palmer ala kaepernick under smith so he fully develops. that will be the best thing for our team if palmer stays on our team and if your a raider fan you want what’s best for the team
January 29th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Guess Jerry and Cork were asleep at the wheel, must’ve woke up when they realised we were creeping slowly to 5,000 comments. Still time before Sunday to reach that lofty goal.
January 29th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Oh thank GOD, a new post. I was going to say Jerry/Steve, just MAKE something up, post ANYTHING!!!
Glad you got the msg…
January 29th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I liked CJ. He wasn’t the greatest CB to wear the S&B but he was solid.
Man what a tragedy to endure. May he and his family overcome and heal…
January 29th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
ravens really love our cb’s
January 29th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
10.inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
ravens really love our cb’s
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Man 2 Man cover skills never go out of style.
January 29th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Gdog Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
This tablet really sucks, takes forever to type and correct
Dr. Robert palmer and schaub are losers disguised as drop back qb’s.
Pryor is our future
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2015 maybe.
He MIGHT have his mechanics mastered by then… and this isn’t meant as a bad thing. Some of the best QB’s sat the bench for quite awhile. Steve Young and Aaron Rodgers? Heard of them?
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Gdog, I respect your posts and opinions, but the examples here are off base.
Steve Young was a top pick and started immediately in the USFL. He then moved over to the Tampa Bay Bucs a few years later and started immediately behind a horrible offensive line and with no support. The whiners picked him up and paid him as something like the 5th highest QB in the league to ride pine while waiting for Montana to age. His mechanics were the least of his problems.
Rodgers had a simpler but similar fate. He was drafted as the future and had to wait for Brett Favre to start showing signs of age that seemed infintely postponed. His mechanics again were not the issue. It was the high quality of the Hall of Famer in front of him.
Pryor only has, as some here would have you believe, the worst starting QB in the league in front of him. Yet he couldn’t get past that. Totally different comparison.
January 29th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Just can’t ask former Raiders CB’s to play zone.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
He looked shop worn and shot. mr potato head has a stronger arm than palmer
————————————————————– Come on Mistic, mr.potato head is so slow he would get absolutely mashed by todays NFL defenses.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
moss says he’s the greatest receiver ever, what a load of schit. i mean nothing wrong with thinking you’re the best but he’s wrong
January 29th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Missdick doing the shim sham shuffle. Throwing to pain a bike chain gold and sell it as a necklace. But there are some dummies that think it will be cool to have a big gold chain so they willingly buy. That’s why hustlers do what they do. They can always find a sucker.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Trying to paint. Stupid spell check.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
moss says he’s the greatest receiver ever, what a load of schit. i mean nothing wrong with thinking you’re the best but he’s wrong
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Thing is, if he had heart he probably would’ve been hands down the best ever. Imagine Moss with Jerry Rice’s work ethic and desire.
Unfortunately, as we saw close up in Oakland, when the going gets tough, Moss quits.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Palmer is fine built the trenches and run the ball draft a big power back somewhere in the draft to play with mcfadden and reese if we can run it like we did 2 or 3 years ago we will be fine
January 29th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
agreed
especially considering his 19 turnovers this past season and his wildly inaccurate Depp ball, which is supposed to be the strength of his game.
He looked shop worn and shot. mr potato head has a stronger arm than palmer
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the guy wasn’t that bad a qb, wasn’t great but wasn’t bad. our team is bad. i know you’ll deny that and come up with stats like 19 turnovers but i can tell you he passed for 4k yards if i wanted to use stats to help my argument.
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4k yards is a very weak argument
here are others in the club
brian sipe
jake plummer
john kitna
vinny tesdaverde
marc bulger
jeff garcia
neil lomax
elvis grbac
as you can see that stats is worthless for any qb that isnt a rookie or 2nd year player, and especially in a 4 win season
try again
January 29th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
20. About 800 out of the 3000+ posts in the last blog were that list and arguement
January 29th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Good luck Sunday CJ37..
January 29th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
4k yards is a very weak argument
here are others in the club
brian sipe
jake plummer
john kitna
vinny tesdaverde
marc bulger
jeff garcia
neil lomax
elvis grbac
as you can see that stats is worthless for any qb that isnt a rookie or 2nd year player, and especially in a 4 win season
try again
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ok how about the fact that he had a better passer rating than jay cutler matt stafford andrew luck josh freeman and michael vick? stats aren’t everything mistic you surely know this or you wouldn’t be touting pryor, as i was, after his sd performance. there’s more to it
January 29th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
19..agree.. Start from the lines and work out in the draft….Qb wasn’t the problem…
January 29th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
All of those qb’s were quality nfl qb’s. most of them made the pro bowl. thanks for the list!
Prior will never be in that list.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
The qbs in that list are certainly NOT the worst qbs to ever lace cleats in the NFL…
Some people have NO IDEA what the term “TEAM” means.
Did Akili Smith ever throw for 4K yards? Wasn’t he the first overall draft pick in the previous wave of the future?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
I seriously don’t like Randy Moss. Hope he gets shutout in the SupaBo. Shouldn’t be hard…
January 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Lol. Missdick can’t help himself.
Now lost the qb’s who have thrown for 4k three times and had a 3970 year and another over 3800. That’s five seasons over 3800 yards. Lets see a list for that dingus.
Also, he’s had four seasons of at least 26 td passes (and this year would’ve been his fifth if he didn’t get hurt).
One if the best passers of the last decade.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Same here … I took Moss’s name off the back of his Raider ( mine) jersey… Will never be a Miss fan… Yep, I hold a grudge ..
January 29th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
*moss*
January 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Palmer threw for 4K+ yards in basically 14 games. Our first QB since Kerry Collins to throw for even 3K, let alone 4,000. He did it with a shaky WR corps that often ran bad routes and a lousy running game to play action from. Not to mention the offense was at its best when Palmer was running the no-huddle, calling plays at the line.
And for those who assume he somehow only accumulated yardage in garbage time, he only had 124 more 2nd half passing yards than first half on the season – total. So he was basically putting up the same stats early in games as late.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
4k yards is a very weak argument
here are others in the club
brian sipe
jake plummer
john kitna
vinny tesdaverde
marc bulger
jeff garcia
neil lomax
elvis grbac
as you can see that stats is worthless for any qb that isnt a rookie or 2nd year player, and especially in a 4 win season
try again
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ok how about the fact that he had a better passer rating than jay cutler matt stafford andrew luck josh freeman and michael vick? stats aren’t everything mistic you surely know this or you wouldn’t be touting pryor, as i was, after his sd performance. there’s more to it
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yawn that isnt saying much at all
besides only one of the guys you mentioned was i the playoffs.
i agree stats are not every thing wins are and palmers average stat line and stunningly poor record says he isnt all that.
i would take luck freeman and vick over palmer in a heart beat.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Palmer is fine we need to get better everywhere else palmer is the least of our problems and he has plenty left in the tank. Man i wish we never would have fired Hue i would have loved to see Palmer and mcfadden together in Hues system that would have been fun to watch. Now we r stuck with this worthless pos Denise allen thanks alot Mark and Mumbles
January 29th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Mike Wegaman in Silver and Black Magazine had a good Article on Pryor in the last issue…
I am in agreement with his take…. Pryor shows promise but isn’t ready just yet…. Pryor looks up to Palmer … Liked his take on Palmer as well
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
If they thought he was what you guys say why isnt he the starter unquestioned?
I think the raiders see what i saw, an old turn over prone qb with an arm that has turned into spaghetti over night.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
wish i knew who mr. potato head is. i would say Greg Knapp because his head really is shaped like a potato but it sounds like a reference to a player.
Pryor needs good coaching. Outward appearances are John Defilippo has not done much with him. Obviously Terrelle does not have the natural gifts to transition from college game seamlessly but he does have talent. You need the right coach to help him grow into a true pro. My choice would be terry shea or Chris Ault as QB coach. Both are old white guys but look what they have done with young QBs of the same mold.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Gdog, I respect your posts and opinions, but the examples here are off base.
Steve Young was a top pick and started immediately in the USFL. He then moved over to the Tampa Bay Bucs a few years later and started immediately behind a horrible offensive line and with no support. The whiners picked him up and paid him as something like the 5th highest QB in the league to ride pine while waiting for Montana to age. His mechanics were the least of his problems.
Rodgers had a simpler but similar fate. He was drafted as the future and had to wait for Brett Favre to start showing signs of age that seemed infintely postponed. His mechanics again were not the issue. It was the high quality of the Hall of Famer in front of him.
>>>>>
I think if you check out the scouting reports out of college of both Rodgers and Young you might be surprised.
I think they both benefited from riding some pine (and I had forgotten Young started at first, ty.)
But this is still such a dead and dumb debate it borders on comical.
CP is the starter for at least one year, and if he is successful (which I fully expect) TWO more years with the Raiders.
Pryor needs to get in with some wildcat plays every game until he takes over as starter. Nothing more.
I think this is what we will see.
The MADDEN PLAYERS, or the people with a race agenda are the only people that think differently.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Says it all!
http://memegenerator.net/instance/24439488
January 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Mac and DA say ” all positions are open to competition “… If they didn’t say that I’d be suprised
January 29th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
alswingman Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
wish i knew who mr. potato head is. i would say Greg Knapp because his head really is shaped like a potato but it sounds like a reference to a player.
Pryor needs good coaching. Outward appearances are John Defilippo has not done much with him. Obviously Terrelle does not have the natural gifts to transition from college game seamlessly but he does have talent. You need the right coach to help him grow into a true pro. My choice would be terry shea or Chris Ault as QB coach. Both are old white guys but look what they have done with young QBs of the same mold.
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This Raider regime has ABSOLUTELY NO INTENTION of playing Pryor….
Reggie wouldn’t get the credit….and that’s all he cares about….
January 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
would take luck freeman and vick over palmer in a heart beat.
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vicks done, freemans good, oddly enough no mention of andrew luck who’s EASILY the best of the qb’s palmer was ahead of qb rating wise. you’re eloquent but the fact that you see everything in terms of color restrains your ideas to reach their full potential ie. believeing africans can’t be gay and african descendants are only gay if they adapt to a eurocentric lifestyle. science disagrees with your argument as does logic.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
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Ok, I will pretend you are not just baiting people into a race debate here… why WOULDN’T they say this? There should be competition on every spot of a 4-10 team.
If Pryor beats him out.. he DESERVES to be the starter… same as Kap beating out Alex Smith.
The problem is that Pryor cannot throw the ball very well.
Maybe he can in MADDEN or something… but in real game situations he has struggled with accuracy and mechanics his entire career. And the SD game did NOTHING to dispel this.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
ANDREW LUCK is def the BEST young QB in the NFL hands down
January 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
people want to pretend that the start pryor movemnet is limited to this board but that isnt the case.
national and local media are saying this, so are big mack and allen, otherwise there would be no competition for the gig
January 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YA2iJ4ZcUo
Hey Coach Allen, it must be humbling to suck on so many different levels!
BAZINGA!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Gdog…there should be competition on every spot on a 4/12 team… Exactly…
January 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
well said Gdog if PRYOR beats him out then so be it my the best man win i just believe palmer will win that competition is all.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
fingers Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Mac and DA say ” all positions are open to competition “… If they didn’t say that I’d be suprised
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Including THEIR positions!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
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da said the same thing last year about palmer. hue said the same thing about jason campbell and boller. cable said the same thing about campbell and gradkowski. would you like me to go on?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Feel free to TYPE directly to the RAIDER BRASS when posting here…..
They can’t keep their eyes off this website….
I know that FOR A FACT!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Gdog Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
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Ok, I will pretend you are not just baiting people into a race debate here… why WOULDN’T they say this? There should be competition on every spot of a 4-10 team.
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i here you but when a player performs his job is not open for competition. Is lamar houston’s job, or veldeheer’s job open for competition? No
how about manning brothers rodgers brees, newton and so on.
Palmers job is open because he didnt do enough to secure it
end of story
January 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
If they thought he was what you guys say why isnt he the starter unquestioned?
I think the raiders see what i saw, an old turn over prone qb with an arm that has turned into spaghetti over night.
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According to Vic Tafur and Cork, Reggie seemed to misunderstand the question he was asked on which that report is based and it’s not really an open competition. I didn’t hear it for myself, so I can’t say for sure. But I don’t put a ton of stock in that right now.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
PRYOR will make a good wildcat QB
January 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Backstage…agree…no excuses for the coachs next yr…we need to see some progress next yr
January 29th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
for all of the ‘palmer is least of our problem” crowd let me ask you this.
why do big mack and allen now say the qb position is open?
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da said the same thing last year about palmer. hue said the same thing about jason campbell and boller.
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false
please show me whre allen said plamers job was open for comp last year
please show me where hu jack said jc’s job was open for comp in 2011
link?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Ofcourse MUMBLES misunderstood the question he’s a moron.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Anyone else notice the Raiders Twitter Page Tweeted all week long during the Senior Bowl….
Interviews leading up to the game…
Pictures at practice leading up to the game….
Guess what they NEVER TWEETED
The Score of the GAME…wonder why?
The Raiders Twitter page isn’t even up to PAR lately….
January 29th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Ofcourse MUMBLES misunderstood the question he’s a moron.
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You’re a moron.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
i here you but when a player performs his job is not open for competition. Is lamar houston’s job, or veldeheer’s job open for competition? No
how about manning brothers rodgers brees, newton and so on.
Palmers job is open because he didnt do enough to secure it
end of story
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if this is the case jason campbell didn’t do enough to secure his job because hue said there’d be qb competition between him and boller. Also said there’d be a competition between palmer and leinert during preseason. same way flynn was paid big bucks but lost the gig to russell wilson, you remember that don’t you?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Except missdick is lying as usual. They NEVER said there was an open competition at qb. Show me a quote.
Interesting that given a list of cutler, stafford, luck, freeman, and Vick, missdick chooses luck (his token white in every conversation), freeman, and Vick.
Vick has sucked for two years while stafford is a gifted young passer. Surprised that two of the three in the list he chose were black?
His bigotry knows no bounds.
As Chris points out, the often-stated nonsense about “garbage time stats” is a lie.
And missdick is left with one argument. Wins and losses. And it’s a team game so he has backed himself into the idiot corner of somehow saying wins and losses are a qb stat.
Case closed.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
KoolKELL ur old enjoy ur remaining years
January 29th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
i here you but when a player performs his job is not open for competition. Is lamar houston’s job, or veldeheer’s job open for competition? No
how about manning brothers rodgers brees, newton and so on.
Palmers job is open because he didnt do enough to secure it
end of story
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if this is the case jason campbell didn’t do enough to secure his job because hue said there’d be qb competition between him and boller. Also said there’d be a competition between palmer and leinert during preseason. same way flynn was paid big bucks but lost the gig to russell wilson, you remember that don’t you?
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flynn vs wilson is an entirely different scenario and doesnt relate to palmer.
other than the fact that they paid money for a guy that isnt very good like we did for plamer.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
fingers Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Backstage…agree…no excuses for the coachs next yr…we need to see some progress next yr
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No one deserves a NEXT year…
These men have shown no indication that they are going to improve in any way….
I would have voted for Reggie top keep his job had he fired Allen and admitted his mistake…..but he couldn’t do it….
I understand that Reggie position is filled with responsibilities….
The one he FAILED aspect where he failed miserably was accessing his HEAD COACHING HIRE….
Unforgivable at this point IMO….
The only positive aspect of this situation that I can see is we have a legitimate shot at picking Clowney next season…
January 29th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
KoolKELL ur old enjoy ur remaining years
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Ur an illiterate moron.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
false
please show me whre allen said plamers job was open for comp last year
please show me where hu jack said jc’s job was open for comp in 2011
link?
ask and you shall receive:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/tom-cable-says-jason-campbell-shouldnt-assume-hell-start/
who’s wrong?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
IMO Palmer is the best QB on the team right now and I believe he will be the starter… But if Pryor were to beat him out in competition I’d be fine with that…
I’d think Pryor needs more schooling from a guy like Palmer and I think it’s a good thing for Pryor to have Palmer to school him
January 29th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
plamer will be the starter built the trenches
January 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
67..agree
January 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
fingers Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
IMO Palmer is the best QB on the team right now and I believe he will be the starter… But if Pryor were to beat him out in competition I’d be fine with that…
I’d think Pryor needs more schooling from a guy like Palmer and I think it’s a good thing for Pryor to have Palmer to school him
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There won’t be a competition….
January 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
false
please show me whre allen said plamers job was open for comp last year
please show me where hu jack said jc’s job was open for comp in 2011
link?
ask and you shall receive:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/tom-cable-says-jason-campbell-shouldnt-assume-hell-start/
who’s wrong?
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i didnt ask for cable
hujack in 2011?
allen last year?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Missdick lies.
DA said “Palmer is our qb next year” and “we feel comfortable with Carson as our qb going forward.”
Reggie NEVER SAID there was an open competition.
He says he wants to see Pryor “compete”. That there will be “competition at that position”. That means for the backup spot.
He also said Pryor needs to be able to do more than just run. That he needs to se him be able to have a complete game.
THERE US NO OPEN COMPETITION.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Pryor will only get reps in camp and pre season with the 2’s against the 2’s….
WRITE THAT DOWN!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Backstage… You coaching this team now?.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Assuming they don’t attempt to trade him….which, IMO….Mark would not ALLOW!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
KoolKELL ur old enjoy ur remaining years
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Afternoon Fellas,
Being older myself, it’s not so bad.
I’d also add that a lot of our younger people are fat lazy slobs. More so than in previous generations.
I blame video games, and crap food.
Aging has it advantages….
You gain a level of respect for Life, and learn things like elocution and intelligence are not joined at the hip.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
And while Palmer isn’t necessarily young in QB terms, he’s about the same age as Eli and several years younger than Brady and Manning. Not saying he’s as good as those guys, two of the best in the history of the game, but just making the point that they, and Kurt Warner before them, played the game at a championship-caliber level 3-5 years beyond where Palmer’s at now.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
I can guarantee you that Coach Allen wanted Pryor to fail against San Diego….
There are many clues which point to this FACT!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
fingers Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Backstage… You coaching this team now?.
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No one is coaching this TEAM. This is the problem.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
false
please show me whre allen said plamers job was open for comp last year
please show me where hu jack said jc’s job was open for comp in 2011
link?
ask and you shall receive:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/tom-cable-says-jason-campbell-shouldnt-assume-hell-start/
who’s wrong?
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not only did i not ask for cable, but this is an attempt to change the argument.
Cable said this before jc had ever played for the raiders buddy.
My argument is that a qb that plays well enough doesnt have his job open for comp.
palmer played here last year, he didnt do enough to cement his job, he did cement his legacy as an over paid loser that kills his teams with turn overs
January 29th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Carson Palmer + Hue Jackson, with a full training- camp and pre-season together to fine-tune the Offense would have been something to watch.
Nobody would be questioning Palmer’s game right now.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
And while Palmer isn’t necessarily young in QB terms, he’s about the same age as Eli and several years younger than Brady and Manning. Not saying he’s as good as those guys, two of the best in the history of the game, but just making the point that they, and Kurt Warner before them, played the game at a championship-caliber level 3-5 years beyond where Palmer’s at now.
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when has palmer played at ‘championship level”?
all those guys have hard ware signed by lombardi
palmer?
January 29th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
I still think Palmer starts and I dont think Pryors ready to win the job..might be later.. But not now ..
January 29th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Madden is awesome, if you think otherwise, SCREW YOU!!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Allen had to be forced to suit up Pryor on gamedays…by someone above him.
Allen had to be forced to put Pryor in a game…..albeit for only a play here or there….by someone above him
Allen was forced to start Pryor….by someone above him
Allen said that Pryor was not ready to be a backup in the NFL….less than a week later he was naming him as the starter….
Following a successful first appearance….Allen, unimpressed…said Pryor earned the right to be evaluated some more….
January 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
imagine SOUP in knapp’s offense throwing the ball 40 or 50 times a game YUCK we would have been 0 and 16
January 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
i here you but when a player performs his job is not open for competition. Is lamar houston’s job, or veldeheer’s job open for competition? No
how about manning brothers rodgers brees, newton and so on.
Palmers job is open because he didnt do enough to secure it
end of story
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Watch the competition for Veldheer if we draft Joeckel!
And yes, I agree he didn’t do “enough” to secure the job.
DA would be remiss to say there isn’t competition at QB on a 4-12 team. But that’s a far cry from saying for even a SECOND that Pryor would (or should) win the job.
And Carolina would be 1000% better off having more competition to push Newton. Hell, the NYG would be better off with strong competition for Eli… he reminds me a lot of Palmer! Maybe he needs someone to kick in his competitive nature to be more consistent!
This is not a bad thing, Mistic… and it also doesn’t mean the coaching staff has GIVEN UP on CP.
When pigs fly…
January 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
I would love for TP to seize control of the QB job and run with it for 10 years, but I believe that Palmer will be our Guy for the next year or two.
That’s OK by Me.
If Geno ends up in Oakland, Palmer AND Pryor are probably done here.
January 29th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
plamer will be the starter built the trenches
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It’s “build” the trenches, illiterate moron.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
i didnt ask for cable
hujack in 2011?
allen last year?
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couldn’t find it, possibly wrong, i’ll assume i am.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
palmer played here last year, he didnt do enough to cement his job, he did cement his legacy as an over paid loser that kills his teams with turn overs
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you can’t argue his turnovers then turn around and say you’d take michael vick in a heartbeat. it’s no use, we kno you don’t like carson. think of a different topic to discuss
January 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
hahaha wow Kell im suprised ur still alive
January 29th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
hahaha wow Kell im suprised ur still alive
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No doubt, you’re such a dumbass.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Gdog Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
i here you but when a player performs his job is not open for competition. Is lamar houston’s job, or veldeheer’s job open for competition? No
how about manning brothers rodgers brees, newton and so on.
Palmers job is open because he didnt do enough to secure it
end of story
>>>
Watch the competition for Veldheer if we draft Joeckel!
And yes, I agree he didn’t do “enough” to secure the job.
DA would be remiss to say there isn’t competition at QB on a 4-12 team. But that’s a far cry from saying for even a SECOND that Pryor would (or should) win the job.
And Carolina would be 1000% better off having more competition to push Newton. Hell, the NYG would be better off with strong competition for Eli… he reminds me a lot of Palmer! Maybe he needs someone to kick in his competitive nature to be more consistent!
This is not a bad thing, Mistic… and it also doesn’t mean the coaching staff has GIVEN UP on CP.
When pigs fly…
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I am not by any means saying the raiders have bailed on palmer
i am saying that it seems the front office is more than intrigued by the prospect of pryor starting and was equally unimpressed with pryors 25 starts as a raider
I also beleive that the pistol and shotgun read are weighing heavily on the raiders considering the challenges we had in the red zone and on 3rd down.
i think they are also excited by pryors ability to keep plays alive and throw deep to the speedsters, and his fiery leadership style
I have a hard time finding a case for palmer moving forward other than experience
January 29th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Ugh….. Pryor is a joke at QB. OL needs a RT and a LG. WRs could use a vet with good hands and knows how to run routes. Last year just showed how inexperienced our WRs really were despite all the hype they were getting. I say re-sign OL Alex Parsons to play C and move Wiz back to LG. Sign RT Sebastian Vollmer or RT William Beatty if Vollmer is too expensive. Also, sign WR Greg Jennings to bolster the WRs. If possible, I’d try and draft RB Giovani Bernard to complement DMC and maybe eventually take over as the feature back. That is the gist of what the offense needs. The defense needs just about everything…….
January 29th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
palmer played here last year, he didnt do enough to cement his job, he did cement his legacy as an over paid loser that kills his teams with turn overs
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you can’t argue his turnovers then turn around and say you’d take michael vick in a heartbeat. it’s no use, we kno you don’t like carson. think of a different topic to discuss
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why not?
Vick with our pass protection would be far better than palmer
palmer was afforded good protection most of the year, vick was knocked out due to the pass rush
January 29th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Mike Vick was the most intriguing QB prospect I’d ever seen when he came out of College.
He flashed early, but never evolved with experience.
I expected more.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Mistic, the FO is not intrigued by Pryor. What they said is par for the course in terms of off-season talk. If anything, they could be trying to boost Pryor’s trade value if they can get another team to think that they think Pryor could be a startable QB…..
January 29th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
I cant see kc and jax passing on geno
January 29th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Kell i didn’t kno they let u blog at the old folks home
January 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Palmer had good protection? Now I know that Mistic wasn’t watching any of the Raider games…..
Saying that you’d take Vick over Palmer is stupid when you cite Palmer’s turnovers has the reason when Vick is much more turnover prone than Palmer was.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Mike Vick was the most intriguing QB prospect I’d ever seen when he came out of College.
He flashed early, but never evolved with experience.
I expected more.
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too bad for eagle 7
he was getting by on raw talent and not putting in the extra work to be great
He now works hard but hasnt shown well as the eagle line has been the worst in football for the last two years. big reason reid was fired
I think he will see a resurgence if chip kelly keeps him, and i think he will
January 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Pryor throws the ugliest passes I have ever since in the NFL. In the SD game, he floated dang near every pass he threw…..
January 29th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Kell i didn’t kno they let u blog at the old folks home
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Well they let you blog from the Retard group home, don’t they?
January 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Palmer had good protection? Now I know that Mistic wasn’t watching any of the Raider games…..
Saying that you’d take Vick over Palmer is stupid when you cite Palmer’s turnovers has the reason when Vick is much more turnover prone than Palmer was.
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we dont agree
pro football focus says the raiders # 19 in pass blocking
eagles number 24
January 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Vick isn’t that good of a QB any more. sure, he was good in 2010, but he’s declined a lot over the last two years. Sure, the Eagles line was pretty bad, but the Raiders OL was pretty bad as well. It might not show up in the sack column, but they allowed a ton of pressure that forced Palmer to get rid of the ball more quickly than he needed to. That also led to some of his turnovers.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
my guess chip kelly keeps vick, because he is experienced and fits his offense better than anyone he could get in the free agancy.
I would also think they will draft ej manual late if geno is gone by the time they pick
January 29th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Palmer had good protection? Now I know that Mistic wasn’t watching any of the Raider games…..
Saying that you’d take Vick over Palmer is stupid when you cite Palmer’s turnovers has the reason when Vick is much more turnover prone than Palmer was.
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we dont agree
pro football focus says the raiders # 19 in pass blocking
eagles number 24
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First, 5 spots isn’t that big of a difference. Second, those stats are likely based off of sacks allowed which don’t tell the whole story about an OL’s performance.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
a different topic? For missdick? He has nothing else to say.
Qb’s don’t come into the league with Lombardi trophies. Palmer still has time. If he wins one, suddenly he’ll be great.
Now missdick says he isn’t saying the raiders org has nailed on Palmer? Day what? It’s exactly what u have been saying. Over and over.
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
i would love to see the raiders draft d line lbs and dbs
maybe o line.
because we have palmer and pryor i dont think qb is the way to go.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
The Eagles should hope that Luke Joeckel drops to 4th for them, cuz that is what they need most. As, if Luke Joeckel drops to us at 3, that gives us a lot more value for trading down from 3 as more teams want Joeckel than they do Geno Smith….
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
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ok so big mack and allen dint say that?
January 29th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Defense should be the main priority for FA and the draft. However, they should also address the free offensive needs they have as well. WR, RT, and LG/C are the only real O needs we should address.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
im out
dr slob is just making ish up
lol
January 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Missdick has a barrel of excuses for Vick but not for his favorite teams qb.
He is EXPOSED. A fraud.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
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ok so big mack and allen dint say that?
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EVERY team says that when the off-season just begins. It could also be a planned strategic statement to try and inflate Pryor’s trade value. if Oakland gets an extra third round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading it to the Redskins for QB Kirk Cousins….
January 29th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Show me a QUOTE from a raider that says there’s an open competition. Not what u deduced. A quote.
Can’t do it. It does exist.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Doesnt
January 29th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
The Pryor lovers that I have encountered on blogs, Bleacher Report especially, really annoy me….
January 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Carson Palmer is a good quarterback but he is not a leader of men. He has got to stop the partying in the off season.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
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ok so big mack and allen dint say that?
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EVERY team says that when the off-season just begins. It could also be a planned strategic statement to try and inflate Pryor’s trade value. if Oakland gets an extra third round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading it to the Redskins for QB Kirk Cousins….
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i have yet to see the pats ravens chargers giants saints 9ers green bay rams redskins seahawks colts announce open qb comp this off season’
so im afraid that doent match what you posted.
palmer has played his way out of job security and into an open comp
January 29th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I am of the opinion that Palmer is the least of our worries…
January 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
As of Today, The QB job is Palmers. Nothing that I have read states otherwise.
Every job is “open” in the sense that circumstances change.
But to interpret Reggie’s remarks as though Palmer and Pryor were on equal footing with regard to the QB position is a reach.
As long as Palmer is on the Raiders roster, HE WILL BE the starting QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
It was never said. Missdick is a liar.
Btw, most of those annoying Pryor supporters are missdick.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I am of the opinion that Palmer is the least of our worries…
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Lot’s of holes to fill that are way more important short term.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Vick isn’t that good of a QB any more. sure, he was good in 2010, but he’s declined a lot over the last two years. Sure, the Eagles line was pretty bad, but the Raiders OL was pretty bad as well. It might not show up in the sack column, but they allowed a ton of pressure that forced Palmer to get rid of the ball more quickly than he needed to. That also led to some of his turnovers.
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I’m convinced you, just like JFB, didn’t watch a single Vick game this year. The Eagle OL isn’t in the same universe as ours. Imagine what CP would have done if Veldheer had been lost for the year in preseason, Wiz gone after game two and Barnes after game 5? We go 1-15 at best and Palmer is done by Week 8. Vick is better than Palmer hands down.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
It was never said. Missdick is a liar.
Btw, most of those annoying Pryor supporters are missdick===============
umm no mr
I only post under one handle
i know it bothers you to think there are so many people her that share my opinion
too bad lol
Im out mr / dr slob/ sully/ grad raider / clause
January 29th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Vick sucks.
Palmer is awesome.
Russell is the biggest bust in nfl history.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Russell is the biggest bust in nfl history.
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Fuuuuuck!
Ok I feel better now.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
You’re right. As of now there is no open competition. Carson is gone at 16 mil against the cap vs. 7.5 mil if cut unless he restructures again. Pryor? Eh maybe. I see the new staff getting their new qb this year either from draft or FA. We’ll see I guess
January 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Missdick–lol. Stealing my lines again eh “Kirk”!
Can’t post a quote proving ur lies so u run?
Typical. Lol.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
EVERY team says that when the off-season just begins. It could also be a planned strategic statement to try and inflate Pryor’s trade value. if Oakland gets an extra third round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading it to the Redskins for QB Kirk Cousins….
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i have yet to see the pats ravens chargers giants saints 9ers green bay rams redskins seahawks colts announce open qb comp this off season’
so im afraid that doent match what you posted.
palmer has played his way out of job security and into an open comp
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Really? Are you really that dense? My comment wasn’t exclusive to QBs on teams. Lets go over that list of teams you posted…..
NE-Brady (SB winning QB)
Colts-Luck (#1 overall pick)
Redskins-RG3 (#2 overall pick)
Seahawks-Wilson (Led team to playoff)
Ravens-Flacco (Led team to playoff every year and in SB this year)
Rams-Bradford (#1 pick and VERY expensive)
Saints-Brees (Top statistical QB and won a SB)
Niners- Kaepernick (Currently in SB)
Green bay-Roders (Top statistical QB and SB winner)
Giants-E. Manning (Two-time SB winner)
Chargers-Rivers (Has been a productive QB but has no real back up option to even compete with Rivers)
BTW, there is no open competition… It was just a statement made in response to a question by a reporter. Also, I am of the opinion it was to try and inflate his trade value.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
No way GM can justify Carson on the roster making almost manning money. Not gonna happen and rightly so.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Palmer actually could traded or released. But only if they draft a qb #3. Cuz there’s no way in this world they are going with Pryor. Olson spoke of him as an afterthought. Allen reiterated Palmer is the guy. Reggie said Pryor needed to show he was more than a runner.
Missdick’s lies crumble under inspection.
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
Keep laughing hyena.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
You’re right. As of now there is no open competition. Carson is gone at 16 mil against the cap vs. 7.5 mil if cut unless he restructures again. Pryor? Eh maybe. I see the new staff getting their new qb this year either from draft or FA. We’ll see I guess
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Everything I have read says that cutting Palmer is more expensive than just keeping him. Also there are ZERO QBs available in FA or the draft that I’d want on this team.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
was it me or did reece only get to play 2 snaps in Pro bowl??
January 29th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Pryor STILL has all of the same problems that he has had since with was playing at OSU.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
No way GM can justify Carson on the roster making almost manning money. Not gonna happen and rightly so.
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Justify to who?
He inherited Carson.
Mark Davis? If you believe Hue it was mark that made the Palmer deal.
Balance that sheet.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Didn’t watch the pro bowl
January 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Mark davis supports Palmer. Not Pryor. Sane people know this.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
He can justify it if it would cost more money to cut him which is the last thing we need.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
He can justify it if it would cost more money to cut him which is the last thing we need.
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Cutting Palmer in and of itself saves money.
The replacement QB erodes the saving.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Everything says that Palmer is the clear #1 moving forward and that they are just doing nothing with Pryor unless Palmer is hurt. I’d like to trade Pryor to the Eagles for a pick and hopefully send that pick, if it is a third rounder or later, to the Redskins for Cousins. Have him sit behind Palmer while we have him.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
He can justify it if it would cost more money to cut him which is the last thing we need.
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Cutting Palmer in and of itself saves money.
The replacement QB erodes the saving.
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Everything I have said says that cutting would cost more money….
January 29th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Mark davis supports Palmer. Not Pryor. Sane people know this.
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Mark Davis “supports” both. Double entendre. Bada Bing!
January 29th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Good article and agree with what CJ talks about. One idea is to trade Palmer for draft picks, like a 2nd & 3rd round pick, then go get Alex Smith who is 5 years younger, way faster and is a damn good QB that still has 7-9 good years left.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Everything I have said says that cutting would cost more money….
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Palmer has about 7.8 mil remaining in guaranteed money I believe.
His salaries are not guaranteed. those would be 13 and 15 mil respectively. 2013, 2014.
So by cutting Palmer His cap hit becomes 7.8 mil in 2013 but that’s it.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Any trade partner has to be a team that thinks they are a qb away from the playoffs. Maybe Arizona. Maybe Minnesota. It could happen. But they aren’t going with Pryor. It would only happen if they decide to draft the answer. But I think they at least wanna see if Pryor can do it, even if they doubt it. That would mean bringing in a 2nd tier vet like Flynn or Moore. A guy who can start it back up. Smith wants to start.
January 29th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
But will the raiders take the embarrassment of trading Palmer for a 3rd rounder after trading so much for him, only to have a sketchy qb situation and no obvious long term guy in a year when they pick third?
All signs point to keeping Palmer and seeing if Pryor can show he’s a qb in the preseason.
OR, drafting a qb with #3 and trading both Palmer and Pryor.
That’s it.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
All signs point to keeping Palmer and seeing if Pryor can show he’s a qb in the preseason.
OR, drafting a qb with #3 and trading both Palmer and Pryor.
That’s it.
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If the Raiders get Geno at #3, that’s it.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Rotoworld says that the cost of cutting Palmer would be too severe.
The San Francisco Chronicle believes Carson Palmer remains one of the “core players” for the Raiders in 2013.
The Raiders may ask Palmer to restructure his $13 million salary, but the salary cap implications are too severe to cut him outright.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Those were some cold words by CJ37 regarding the raiders locker room. But they were words that needed to be said. It’s a shame that we still have players on this team that have no heart, no pride. Their just content with cashing checks. I am in no way a D.A. supporter, but how can you win games when you have a locker room full of players that don’t give a dam. I bet Seymore was one of the players that was all bark, but no bite.
The players who I think actually give a dam are:
Bryant
Houston
Wheeler
Burris
Branch
Christo DT
Veldeer
Wiz
Dhbeast
Streater
Hanson
Adams
Palmer
Pryor
Reese
Goodson
Jano
Everyone else can kick rocks
January 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
I don’t know what the numbers would be though…..
January 29th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
God, I want to get rid of Barnes so badly…. I am still baffled as to why we even re-signed him last year in the first place……
On an unrelated note, who knew that former LT and bust Kwame Harris was gay? That caught me by surprise….
January 29th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Everything says that Palmer is the clear #1 moving forward and that they are just doing nothing with Pryor unless Palmer is hurt. I’d like to trade Pryor to the Eagles for a pick and hopefully send that pick, if it is a third rounder or later, to the Redskins for Cousins. Have him sit behind Palmer while we have him.
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It´s better a direct trade, Pryor for Cousins. Pryor fits the system they run with RGIII, specially with RGII injured in this moment and Cousins learns a pocket QB system with Palmer as his mentor.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Hmm, I can’t seem to find the numbers on what it’d cost to cut Palmer…..
January 29th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
I don’t know what the numbers would be though…..
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7.8 million. The remainder of His signing bonus that is currently spread out over the 2013, 2014 Seasons.
13 million for 2013 is NOT GUARANTEED.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Everything says that Palmer is the clear #1 moving forward and that they are just doing nothing with Pryor unless Palmer is hurt. I’d like to trade Pryor to the Eagles for a pick and hopefully send that pick, if it is a third rounder or later, to the Redskins for Cousins. Have him sit behind Palmer while we have him.
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It´s better a direct trade, Pryor for Cousins. Pryor fits the system they run with RGIII, specially with RGII injured in this moment and Cousins learns a pocket QB system with Palmer as his mentor.
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If we can do that, I’d be stoked. I was thinking of the Eagles as Chip Kelly tried hard to get Pryor to go to Oregon and Pryor fits his offensive scheme.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/
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Check here. Regarding Palmer’s contract.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Pryor for cousins is interesting. But Pryor could be electric as a wr.
Keeping pakmer, drafting geno and letting him compete with Pryor is a possibility although slight.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
I don’t know what the numbers would be though…..
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7.8 million. The remainder of His signing bonus that is currently spread out over the 2013, 2014 Seasons.
13 million for 2013 is NOT GUARANTEED.
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I know that is all I can find about his contract. But I know that some places have mentioned that either he has severe cap implications or it would provide little relief if cut. However they don’t provide numbers. So, I am doubtful that cutting him would really save 9 million or so against the cap.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Everything says that Palmer is the clear #1 moving forward and that they are just doing nothing with Pryor unless Palmer is hurt. I’d like to trade Pryor to the Eagles for a pick and hopefully send that pick, if it is a third rounder or later, to the Redskins for Cousins. Have him sit behind Palmer while we have him.
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It´s better a direct trade, Pryor for Cousins. Pryor fits the system they run with RGIII, specially with RGII injured in this moment and Cousins learns a pocket QB system with Palmer as his mentor.
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If we can do that, I’d be stoked. I was thinking of the Eagles as Chip Kelly tried hard to get Pryor to go to Oregon and Pryor fits his offensive scheme.
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Yes, I could agree, but I´m a believer that your backup QB must run the same system, you don´t want to change your whole system any week or part of a game your starter (QB) is out cause of an injury.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
I think that cousins would be a MUCH better NFL QB than Pryor ever would be. I go to Spotrac for contract info, but they don’t seem to always have all the contract info.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Those were strong words from CJ about Hue. I can’t imagine anyone saying that about Denise.
Of course Shreg & Mark don’t care that they screwed up, they are more interested in receiving credit for winning than ACTUALLY winning.
“You guys remember what I came into.”
“Briesel was injured.”
More interested in covering their arses than winning with what you got.
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
It´s better a direct trade, Pryor for Cousins. Pryor fits the system they run with RGIII, specially with RGII injured in this moment and Cousins learns a pocket QB system with Palmer as his mentor.
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If we can do that, I’d be stoked. I was thinking of the Eagles as Chip Kelly tried hard to get Pryor to go to Oregon and Pryor fits his offensive scheme.
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Yes, I could agree, but I´m a believer that your backup QB must run the same system, you don´t want to change your whole system any week or part of a game your starter (QB) is out cause of an injury.
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I agree with having QBs with similar play styles in case the other goes down with injury cuz you wouldn’t need to alter the play book at all. It’d almost seem like Oakland could be losing as Pryor was a third round pick vs Cousins, who was a fourth rounder. But ultimately, I think Cousins is the much better of the two. I was mad when we didn’t take Cousins in the draft, personally.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
I know that is all I can find about his contract. But I know that some places have mentioned that either he has severe cap implications or it would provide little relief if cut. However they don’t provide numbers. So, I am doubtful that cutting him would really save 9 million or so against the cap.
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Contracts in the NFL are not guaranteed per se.
The signing bonus IS.
Palmers restructured deal called for a little over 11 million in guaranteed money.
The Raiders paid 1/3 of that in 2012.
The remainder is to be paid in 2013 and 14 unless He is cut. In that case the Raiders have to pony up 7.8 million in 2013 that counts against the cap.
That’s it as far as I can tell.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
I am interested in seeing how Brisiel does in 2013 as he reportedly played with an injured ankle for the whole 2012 season.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
I am interested in seeing how Brisiel does in 2013 as he reportedly played with an injured ankle for the whole 2012 season.
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If True I’m willing to reserve judgement, but He was awful in 2012.
Not a fan.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
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Never…
And no, Hue would never have gotten us there either!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Hue didn’t get us there in 2011. Why would he have in 2012?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
The entire organization is in DENIAL
January 29th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
Never…
And no, Hue would never have gotten us there either!
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Who could?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Reggie needs to find a long term solution for us at QB. Our QB “dep” chart should look like this next year:
Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith
or
Pryor, Geno Smith, Nick Florence
January 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Hue didn’t get us there in 2011. Why would he have in 2012?
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The argument could be made that he would have his own DC, and He would have had some continuity with Palmer and the rest of the O.
We’ll never know.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
And they know it….they are stuck in a perpetual state of money making self doubt….
Not concerned with winning….only concerned with keeping up the appearance of attempting to win….
Mark Davis and Amy Trask and Willie Brown “might” really want to win…..but the rest are collecting pay checks….
PERIOD!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Robin Williams and Bobcat Goldwaith?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
LOL
January 29th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Robin Williams and Bobcat Goldwaith?
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January 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
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Never…
And no, Hue would never have gotten us there either!
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They won’t…Can’t say for sure that Hue would have got us in 2012, but with a Thurman, Del Rio @ DC with him at HC is better than Denise & his crew of flunkies.
2013 is feeling like the 2nd year of the Norv regime….
Gruden & McCloughan 2014!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
Robin Williams and Bobcat Goldwaith?
Sorry, meant to add a period.
So, do you just add a period? Or spell it out?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Not concerned with winning….only concerned with keeping up the appearance of attempting to win….
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Winning = $$$$
Almost always.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Hue didn’t get us there in 2011. Why would he have in 2012?
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Continuity on offense. Expecting Palmer & the gang to be better on offense since they would have a 3rd year in the system and like I said, a new DC with a Hue offense enhances our chances.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
A Williams/Goldthwait staff would have been fine but stuck in the old wave.
I’m thinking more Rock/Chappelle. New wavers.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Hue’s oversize ego made it impossible for McKenzie to consider keeping him. He sealed his own fate when he shot his mouth off at the end of the season.
Can’t believe people are still talking about his 8-8 season like it was a Super Bowl victory.
Hell, Cable went 8-8, don’t hear anyone crying to bring him back.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
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Never…
And no, Hue would never have gotten us there either!
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They won’t…Can’t say for sure that Hue would have got us in 2012, but with a Thurman, Del Rio @ DC with him at HC is better than Denise & his crew of flunkies.
2013 is feeling like the 2nd year of the Norv regime….
Gruden & McCloughan 2014!
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BS……the game has passed Gruden at this point too…..he is only collecting PAY CHECKS also….
He sold his soul to the almighty dollar years ago…
He isn’t concerned with coaching anymore…..just having his name thrown around keeps him valuable to ESPN and his contract…..
He rode the rainbow and got off and is collecting retirement at this point…
He wrote a book about how he loved FOOTBALL…..and has done little since that time to PROVE it to me!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
PERIOD!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Hue didn’t get us there in 2011. Why would he have in 2012?
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The argument could be made that he would have his own DC, and He would have had some continuity with Palmer and the rest of the O.
We’ll never know.
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One problem with this theory is that there was going to be an exodus of talent because of the salary cap ramifications of the uncapped year 2010 and Hue’s trade for Palmer. Something had to happen with Wimbly and Routt and even Palmer and Seymour restructured to make it work. This weakened the team. Remember to the injuries that occured and with those injury problems I do not think we would have been 8-8 or better. Another point is Denver improved this year although SD and KC were worse. I mean we should have at least broke even with SD and swept KC and we should have beat Tampa Bay and Clelevland as well. We at best would have been probably 7-9 due to these problems. Sorry to bust your bubble but the cap is real and there are real issues that need to be dealt with.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
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Ha!
Thanks for the knowledge.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
oldschoolraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Hue’s oversize ego made it impossible for McKenzie to consider keeping him. He sealed his own fate when he shot his mouth off at the end of the season.
Can’t believe people are still talking about his 8-8 season like it was a Super Bowl victory.
Hell, Cable went 8-8, don’t hear anyone crying to bring him back.
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Ego you say?
Gotta have one….the bigger the better….
It is a MUST!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
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Yes. Entire season would’ve started off and played out differently. Hue gets us to 10-6 if he were here in 2012.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
I know that is all I can find about his contract. But I know that some places have mentioned that either he has severe cap implications or it would provide little relief if cut. However they don’t provide numbers. So, I am doubtful that cutting him would really save 9 million or so against the cap.
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Contracts in the NFL are not guaranteed per se.
The signing bonus IS.
Palmers restructured deal called for a little over 11 million in guaranteed money.
The Raiders paid 1/3 of that in 2012.
The remainder is to be paid in 2013 and 14 unless He is cut. In that case the Raiders have to pony up 7.8 million in 2013 that counts against the cap.
That’s it as far as I can tell.
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I know, for the most part, how contracts work. Like what you said, the bonus is guaranteed, but not the salary. The bonus is paid entirely to the player upfront, but the cap hit for it is prorated over the length of the contract, up to five years. This applies also to extensions and any bonuses paid with an extension is also added on top of any other remaining prorated bonus money from the original contract.
Like, Palmer is currently signed through 2014 with 13 million and 15 million in salary for those two years with 3.9 million in bonus money counting each year. If Oakland restructured his deal and lowered his salary to like 1 million and turned the remaining 12 million into a bonus, they’d likely would add several years onto his contract to spread out the per year hit from said bonus. Say they add on 3 more years to his current deal, the new bonus money would be prorated at 2.4 million per year over the next five years. His cap number this year would drop to like 7.3 million versus the current 16.8 million. However his cap hit next year would increase to being over 21 million….
January 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RaiderLen, last night was fun.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
the cap is real and there are real issues that need to be dealt with.
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It is, and Reggie gets it.
Kicking the can down the road is not in the cards anymore.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
I’d much rather have Teddy Bridgewater or Derek Carr out of the 2014 draft than any of the QBs available this year. But not if we trade for Cousins…..
January 29th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
A New Era of Excellence!…Liars!
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When do you expect to see the raiders in the playoffs under Reggie and DA?
Would Hue have got us there in 2012?
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Yes. Entire season would’ve started off and played out differently. Hue gets us to 10-6 if he were here in 2012.
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Nope….
Stick to picking college Bowl games Chris….you don’t know what you’re talking about here….
Raiders aren’t winning until something unique happens in Alameda….
And we are far from unique!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
RaiderLen, last night was fun.
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Seriously had a blast.
Thanks.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
That didn’t
sound right.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Later
January 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Agreed Jedi,
If Geno Smith is the best there is this year than no thanks.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
That didn’t
sound right.
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LOL
January 29th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Last year we were like 30 million over the cap, but we are only 4.5 million over this year. So that in and of itself is a lot of progress financially.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Damn Purv, you guys give each other flowers last night?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
Kicking the can down the road is not in the cards anymore.
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Al got away with it his whole life. How?
January 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Gave him a reacharound!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Damn Purv, you guys give each other flowers last night?
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Settle down Hoss.
Nothing like that.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
I have been thinking a lot about the possibility of drafting McFadden’s replacement if we can get two second round picks. I’d love to get RB Giovani Bernard. I can’t remember if McFadden’s contract ends this year or next year, but I just don’t see how we can stick with such an injury-prone RB, as talented as he is.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Damn Purv, you guys give each other flowers last night?
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Settle down Hoss.
Nothing like that.
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You sure about that???
January 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
Kicking the can down the road is not in the cards anymore.
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Al got away with it his whole life. How?
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Except for the Gruden years AD had a terrible record since the advent of FA. He did not get away with it! It bit him hard and he had to watch people walk away.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
oldschoolraider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Hue’s oversize ego made it impossible for McKenzie to consider keeping him. He sealed his own fate when he shot his mouth off at the end of the season.
Can’t believe people are still talking about his 8-8 season like it was a Super Bowl victory.
Hell, Cable went 8-8, don’t hear anyone crying to bring him back.
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Nobody thinks 8-8 was like a Super Bowl victory. It was progress. The offense went from 31st the year before Hue got here to top 10 in Year 1. The Raiders were exciting again and at in rare moments flashing dominance. Going 8-8 — despite losing McFadden after 6 games when he was playing MVP-caliber football, losing Al Davis, and switching starting QBs mid-stream to a guy coming off his couch — was more than respectable.
Hue’s arrival brought progress from the years of sloppy offensive play and 4-12 seasons to 8-8 seasons and playing meaningful football late in December.
And then the Big Dummy and/or Mark decided to fire Hue and here we are, right back at 4-12 with more questions than answers and not knowing how much longer we’ll have to wait to feel like we have a shot again.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Before I think 1993 the entire system was different and that is the time that AD really found success.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
That a boy intrepid!!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Al got away with it his whole life. How?
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Not His whole life, but he did manage to do it for 20 years or so.
Having said that, it really never materialized into anything of note until Gruden came along.
Gotta build through the draft imo if you want long term success.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
DA’s hiring was never exciting for me. I would have rather had HuJack for another year than DA. Man, we could of had Andy Reid this year if we kept HuJack for another year….
January 29th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
You sure about that???
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Just as sure as the sun rising in the morning.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
You guys see any of the Glennon kid out of NC State play in the Senior Bowl??
I watched some of his cut ups and he has a real nice natural throw. Looks like a big dude too.
He’d fit in real good in Oakland cause half of his catchable balls get dropped. Holy crap, those NC Stata WR’s are something awful.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Later Fellas.
Time to head for the barn.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
The draft has been really hit or miss with more misses than hits for as long as I can remember. The 70’s and 80’s was the last time I can remember us having any good draft classes…..
January 29th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
That a boy intrepid!!
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I’m liking this Intrepid guy.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Perv & Len, sitting in a tree….
B-L-O-W-I-N-G
Each other!
January 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Guaranteed money is the only amount that goes against the cap if cut. Palmer is guaranteed almost 8 mil. That’s pretty black and white to me. His base SALARY is 13 mil this year if he plays. That makes it over 16 mil in 2013 if he is on the roster. I don’t care how many yards he threw. He won 4 games. If he restructures I’m good with it. I like Palmer a lot. But 16 mil makes no sense
January 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
I have read a lot of negatives about Glennon. No QBs in this draft class really invoke positive thoughts for me.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Don’t know how that happens.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Looks like someone’s grown weary of Mistic’s favorite movie:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/michael-oher-is-tired-of-the-blind-side/
January 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Just watching the old NFL Films recap of the ‘83 Raiders SB Win. Man, that was a dominant team. 38-9 against the defending champs. Hayes + Haynes + that d-line = dominating.
Props to Joe Theisman though for rocking the single-bar facemask. Not even sure they’re still regulation, but I’d love to see a QB pull that out these days.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
He gave him a reach around Paper.
Don’t turn it into something ugly.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Guaranteed money is the only amount that goes against the cap if cut. Palmer is guaranteed almost 8 mil. That’s pretty black and white to me. His base SALARY is 13 mil this year if he plays. That makes it over 16 mil in 2013 if he is on the roster. I don’t care how many yards he threw. He won 4 games. If he restructures I’m good with it. I like Palmer a lot. But 16 mil makes no sense
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I know what you mean, but I am trying to see how a lot of people are reporting that cutting Palmer would provide either little relief or have severe cap implications. I know those numbers and know how to read them and they say cutting would save a bit of money. It’s like I said, some people are saying that there is more to Palmer’s contract then just what you and I are seeing…..
January 29th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
OPEN COMPETITION AS SPOKEN BY ALLEN.
On quarterbacks Carson Palmer and Terrelle Pryor:
“We’re going to have some competition at that position. Carson Palmer did an outstanding job for us last year. We feel really good about Carson at the quarterback position moving forward, and obviously we want to create competition at all levels of our team; offensively, defensively, in the kicking game. The more competition that you can create, the better your football team is going to be. We’re going to look at that as we’re moving forward, but I feel good about Carson. Terrelle did some nice things in the final game of the season last year, so it’ll be interesting to see how he does as we move forward.”
It is my job to provide fair and balanced reporting. Right Mr P/I? Wait till I get off this phone and back to my desktop. You can do so much more from there than you can from the semi smart phone.
January 29th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Holy crap, could you imagine the tirade Mistic would go on about The Blind Side.
He probably stormed out of the theater with his machete swinging above his head. Yikes!
January 29th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
@Saint:
As long as neither of them steal the other’s underwear, I’m sure their relationship will continue to be a beautiful thing.
Oh, and watch the soy sauce, guys!
January 29th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Just watching the old NFL Films recap of the ‘83 Raiders SB Win. Man, that was a dominant team. 38-9 against the defending champs. Hayes + Haynes + that d-line = dominating.
Props to Joe Theisman though for rocking the single-bar facemask. Not even sure they’re still regulation, but I’d love to see a QB pull that out these days.
••••••••••••••
Awesome game. When Joe was with ESPN I got him to autograph a picture of him at that game. Alzado and Long were on top of him. He told me that was a bad day for him. I told him that was the greatest Raider game ever. He laughed and said he could agree with me.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Guaranteed money is the only amount that goes against the cap if cut. Palmer is guaranteed almost 8 mil. That’s pretty black and white to me. His base SALARY is 13 mil this year if he plays. That makes it over 16 mil in 2013 if he is on the roster. I don’t care how many yards he threw. He won 4 games. If he restructures I’m good with it. I like Palmer a lot. But 16 mil makes no sense
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I know what you mean, but I am trying to see how a lot of people are reporting that cutting Palmer would provide either little relief or have severe cap implications. I know those numbers and know how to read them and they say cutting would save a bit of money. It’s like I said, some people are saying that there is more to Palmer’s contract then just what you and I are seeing…..
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Maybe there is. I have never seen a case where a 4-12 team were unable to get away from a contract. I don’t think McKenzie is stupid, nor Mark Davis so I do not believe by any means that the Raiders re-structured Palmer to a deal that they would be handcuffed to the following year. If Palmer stays and he succeeds then great. I just don’t see it happening when we can’t afford to give him any help if he stays.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
LOL Tiger!!
January 29th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
I would like to see the following personally.
-Get out of Palmer, Kelly, Huff, DHB current hits against the cap whether by cut or restructure
-Trade down to mid-round (Trade down again if we can)
-Draft Tyler Wilson or Matt Barkley
-Re-Sign our key FA
-Draft and FA = OL,DL,LB,CB,S,RB
-Sign a big name WR for our new QB to work with.
In my opinion that is the way to play 2013. Not only a new hope for the season much like the Bengals, Falcons, Jets, Ravens have done with their new QBs but lays the foundation for the next decade barring disaster i.e. another Jamarcus Russell lol
January 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
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ok so big mack and allen dint say that?
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EVERY team says that when the off-season just begins. It could also be a planned strategic statement to try and inflate Pryor’s trade value. if Oakland gets an extra third round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading it to the Redskins for QB Kirk Cousins….
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Only teams with a serious OPEN COMPETITION actually say that. Ask the Pat’s the Steelers the Ravens the Forty Niners, The Saints, the Chargers, the Redskins, the Colts, Seahawks, Rams and so on who the starter is and I gaurantee they will look at you like you’re crazy for asking.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
4000 yard passer + 4 wins= Bad Season. 4000 yards are worthless win they result in 4 wins.
I’d take 2000 yards and 10 wins over 4000 and 4.
Dilfer passed for 1550 yards and had a QB rating of 76.6 and won a superbowl. Numbers mean nothing when you lose.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
As of Today, The QB job is Palmers. Nothing that I have read states otherwise.
Every job is “open” in the sense that circumstances change.
But to interpret Reggie’s remarks as though Palmer and Pryor were on equal footing with regard to the QB position is a reach.
As long as Palmer is on the Raiders roster, HE WILL BE the starting QB.
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I think you may be in for a rude awakening. This is going to be much closer than any want to believe. When I said Kappy was on his way to steal Smiths job in SF I was laughed off this board. Because Smith is young and was playing the best QB of his life and some of the best in the league. Yet when they had a chance they put in Kappy.
The Raiders brass are rethinking their position as we speak to the dismay of many. In SF even today fans are MAD that Smith lost his job and they’re in the SB people still can’t believe he lost his job. I have a feeling the same will be happening in Oakland when Pryor literally beats out Palmer. There will be a lot of you crying foul but they coaches will know he gives them the best chance to win as is the truth in SF.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
4000 yard passer + 4 wins= Bad Season. 4000 yards are worthless win they result in 4 wins.
I’d take 2000 yards and 10 wins over 4000 and 4.
Dilfer passed for 1550 yards and had a QB rating of 76.6 and won a superbowl. Numbers mean nothing when you lose.
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What you’re doing is trying to build a winning team. By your logic, we might as well cut all 53 guys and become an expansion team. And do that over and over until we’re suddenly a winner.
The real trick is finding which pieces work and assembling them into a system that can become greater than the sum of its parts. People point to the 4K yards not as the end all/be all of quarterbacking. Just to show that the guy can get it done through the air on a level we haven’t seen since Gannon. And saying that Palmer is one of those parts you keep when assembling a winning system.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
I’m sure Palmer would agree with you on that Derek.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
There will be far more interest in Alex Smith on the trade market, than there will be for carson Palmer.
Palmer is pretty much established, he can give you numbers, but primarily when they do not matter. He’s proven he’s NOT a clutch performer or winner at the NFL level. Palmer has been a turn over machine in the clutch. NO team looking to win a superbowl would take on Palmer as their starter.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
I would like to see the following personally.
-Get out of Palmer, Kelly, Huff, DHB current hits against the cap whether by cut or restructure
-Trade down to mid-round (Trade down again if we can)
-Draft Tyler Wilson or Matt Barkley
-Re-Sign our key FA
-Draft and FA = OL,DL,LB,CB,S,RB
-Sign a big name WR for our new QB to work with.
In my opinion that is the way to play 2013. Not only a new hope for the season much like the Bengals, Falcons, Jets, Ravens have done with their new QBs but lays the foundation for the next decade barring disaster i.e. another Jamarcus Russell lol
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1. Cutting Huff, DHB and Kelly alone would save almost 20 million I think.
2. Agree with trading down multiple times to stock pile picks. Would love to get Dion Jordan after said trade downs.
3. I don’t like either of those QBs. Would much rather wait til 2014 for Bridgewater or Carr or trade for Kirk Cousins instead.
4. That is a given for Myers, Wheeler, Bryant, and Shaughnessy as the main pieces, but we do have a lot of decent pieces to re-sign.
5. Jennings, Vollmer, DRC, Byrd, Knighton, and Osi would be the main guys I’d want to sign. Pass-rusher, CB and LB are the main positions I’d want to draft.
6. I’d love to sign Jennings for Palmer and the future QB.
I hope you don’t want us to have a Mark Sanchez situation since you listed the Jets….. He is probably the worst starting QB in the league…..
January 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
238: please explain why you disagree
January 29th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
As of Today, The QB job is Palmers. Nothing that I have read states otherwise.
Every job is “open” in the sense that circumstances change.
But to interpret Reggie’s remarks as though Palmer and Pryor were on equal footing with regard to the QB position is a reach.
As long as Palmer is on the Raiders roster, HE WILL BE the starting QB.
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I think you may be in for a rude awakening. This is going to be much closer than any want to believe. When I said Kappy was on his way to steal Smiths job in SF I was laughed off this board. Because Smith is young and was playing the best QB of his life and some of the best in the league. Yet when they had a chance they put in Kappy.
The Raiders brass are rethinking their position as we speak to the dismay of many. In SF even today fans are MAD that Smith lost his job and they’re in the SB people still can’t believe he lost his job. I have a feeling the same will be happening in Oakland when Pryor literally beats out Palmer. There will be a lot of you crying foul but they coaches will know he gives them the best chance to win as is the truth in SF.
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Problem is Pryor is not Kaepernick. Through his college and brief pro career he’s never shown that he can throw the crisp intermediate and sideline routes that QBs live on in the NFL. If Pryor had shown he’s on par with Kaepernick as a passer I think you’d have near-unanimous support for Pryor on this board.
Hopefully he can grow into that type of passer. It would be awesome if we’ve already got our QB of the next 10+ years on the roster and it just so happens to be Al Davis’ final draft pick. But let’s be sure that’s the case before we stumble blindly into another stretch of Walter-McCown-Culpepper-JaMarcus-Campbell type QBs. We can win with Carson Palmer.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
238: please explain why you disagree
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Huh??
January 29th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
BS……the game has passed Gruden at this point too…..he is only collecting PAY CHECKS also….
He sold his soul to the almighty dollar years ago…
He isn’t concerned with coaching anymore…..just having his name thrown around keeps him valuable to ESPN and his contract…..
He rode the rainbow and got off and is collecting retirement at this point…
He wrote a book about how he loved FOOTBALL…..and has done little since that time to PROVE it to me!
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Gruden isn’t my 1st choice & i question whether he has the “Desire” to get another ring. It’s also why I would never wanna hire Cowher. I’d like to see Hue, Shaw, Lovie, Del Rio before Gruden…and Denise.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
I think you may be in for a rude awakening.
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Not really,
It would be a pleasant surprise.
It solves the biggest problem to a long term solution.
Funny how defensive people get.
I’m pro Pryor AND Palmer as it relates to WINNING.
Don’t care who per se, but prefer a young Franchise QB to carry us forward for a decade.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
They need to declare Palmer or Pryor at this time is neither here nor there. Because I gaurantee ya’ these coaches have been served notice that they better WIN and if Pryor puts them in better situations to do so he will play. So Palmer will ge his chances to cancel out any thought of a challenge but if he falters in any way. They know Pryor comes much cheaper and all he needs is reps.
Regardless to what the naysayers think he impressed these coaches and the GM or else they would have been no indication of OPEN COMPETITION. Spin it any way you want the truth is teh GM said he will compete for that job. NOT my words his…..
I say of Pryor is on equal footing for that job you better recognize it will be extremely difficult to explain why he isn’t playing by game1. The kid competes like a mad man and even Palmer himself recognizes that fact. You can say whatever you want but Palmer knows what it takes and he has more than cosigned for Pryor as a legit QB at this level I’ll take his word for it as well as my own long before I’ll even consider what y’all have to say.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Right on Len, I feel the same way!!
January 29th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
There will be far more interest in Alex Smith on the trade market, than there will be for carson Palmer.
Palmer is pretty much established, he can give you numbers, but primarily when they do not matter. He’s proven he’s NOT a clutch performer or winner at the NFL level. Palmer has been a turn over machine in the clutch. NO team looking to win a superbowl would take on Palmer as their starter.
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Completely disagree with this.
Palmer is much better than Smith. I’m confident that virtually every GM in the NFL would feel the same.
Smith is basically the white Jason Campbell. Maybe a bit better. Those guys are just not in Carson Palmer’s class.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN COMPETITION.
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ok so big mack and allen dint say that?
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EVERY team says that when the off-season just begins. It could also be a planned strategic statement to try and inflate Pryor’s trade value. if Oakland gets an extra third round pick, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading it to the Redskins for QB Kirk Cousins….
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Only teams with a serious OPEN COMPETITION actually say that. Ask the Pat’s the Steelers the Ravens the Forty Niners, The Saints, the Chargers, the Redskins, the Colts, Seahawks, Rams and so on who the starter is and I gaurantee they will look at you like you’re crazy for asking.
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Those teams all have SB winning QBs, are playoff teams or have high picks invested in their QBs. However, we have a lot of money invested in our QB and despite some struggles, he was, for me, the lone positive from the season. So, no, I do not believe there is really an open competition for the starting QB job, but rather an attempt to maybe increase Pryor’s trade value.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
OK Priest. We got it. Good on ya then.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Anyone who think that Palmer and Pryor are on equal footing and that Pryor actually has a chance at becoming the starting QB through his own abilities is delusional…..
January 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Am I not the one who sees Pryor 46 completion percentage for 150 yards and saw all those ugly floating passes and says “No, thanks?”
I, personally, don’t have much hope for Pryor as an NFL QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Would much rather trade him for Kirk Cousins if possible.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Many of us don’t Jedi.
I hope he beats out Palmer, cause that would mean that we have a better QB than Carson Frickin Palmer which would be pretty awesome. But……..
Chances are nil.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
refering to 253
January 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Don’t care who per se, but prefer a young Franchise QB to carry us forward for a decade.
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RaiderLen it was no afront to you or anyone else in paticular. I’m just pointing out that Pryor was an afterthought in week 10 he wasn’t even dressing for games. I have mainatined from day1 that if he gets a chance he will WOW the coaches and fans alike. They waited until the last game so he wasn’t able to show any improve. But the huge difference is if he gets weekly reps with the 1st team this kid will improve by leaps and bounds. This offseason people will see what I mean. By minicamps and preseason Pryor will be much more entrenched as a possible starter than anyone wants to believe. See I know how this kid competes, Palmer has had his chance his drive is no where near what Pryor’s is. Palmer is rich and satisfied to a degree not saying he doesn’t want it as bad I’m saying Pryor will do twice the workload. Palmer is the finished product the chance of him getting better is slim. The chance of Pryor getting a lot better is very likely. It just stands to reason he’s hungrier. It’s the same principle that took place in SF. The talent was overwhelming and the drive was very different. That same dynamic exist here.
I’m not blasting anyone in here I’m just speaking my mind. I saw Pryor play a very different game than any I have seen from Palmer since he’s been here and it was his first ever start. The coaches are thinking the same thing I’m thinking what could he do if we actually coached him up and gave him a legitimate chance to start what would we have?
It’s the smartest thing they have done since their hire. Because Pryor could be the ticket for them KEEPING their jobs.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Am I not the one who sees Pryor 46 completion percentage for 150 yards and saw all those ugly floating passes and says “No, thanks?”
I, personally, don’t have much hope for Pryor as an NFL QB.
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Legit observations.
Pryor hadn’t played in a real game in almost 2 years.
He, imo has much better play in Him if He’s provided an opportunity to play.
He needs to earn it in the eyes of the Coaches, and I’m hopefull that Olsen will devise ways to get Him on the field as the 49ers did with Kap.
If Palmer goes down, then TP can run with it.
The organization HAS to determine what they have in TP.
The best way to find out is through play.
When His opportunity does come, HE HAS TO PRODUCE.
Otherwise, he’ll be gone and the Raiders will be looking for their QB of the Futcha.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
People keep talking about what Pryor can’t do but I gaurantee you the coaches are thinking about what HE CAN DO. Much more now than they have before, they hjave changed their stance on Pryor dramatically since that start. And for good reason….
January 29th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
It was never said. There is no quote.
What quote is there?
“Palmer is our qb next season.”
“We’re happy going forward with Palmer as our qb.”
“We want to see Pryor compete.”
“Pryor needs to show he can do more than run.”
“We need to see where we can best use Pryor.”
It’s glaringly obvious.
January 29th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Many of us don’t Jedi.
I hope he beats out Palmer, cause that would mean that we have a better QB than Carson Frickin Palmer which would be pretty awesome. But……..
Chances are nil.
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Then you must be blind as a bat….
January 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
249; I believe most if not all GM’s would agree with me. Alex smith has been a WINNER the past few seasons while Palmer has been a loser for yrs. As he continues to age he’ll only get worse.
253: Those ugly passes and meager completion % resulted in 3 touchdowns for a team that had gones 2-3 game without a single TD. A team who spent an entire season settling for FG’s. Pryor hadn’t played in almost 3 yrs and produced. Imagine what he could/can do without the rust and additional practice time with the first unit.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
People keep talking about what Pryor can’t do but I gaurantee you the coaches are thinking about what HE CAN DO. Much more now than they have before, they hjave changed their stance on Pryor dramatically since that start. And for good reason….
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Accentuate the positive.
That’s my Bottle of Beer.
I like the focus on the good attributes.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Am I not the one who sees Pryor 46 completion percentage for 150 yards and saw all those ugly floating passes and says “No, thanks?”
I, personally, don’t have much hope for Pryor as an NFL QB.
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Legit observations.
Pryor hadn’t played in a real game in almost 2 years.
He, imo has much better play in Him if He’s provided an opportunity to play.
He needs to earn it in the eyes of the Coaches, and I’m hopefull that Olsen will devise ways to get Him on the field as the 49ers did with Kap.
If Palmer goes down, then TP can run with it.
The organization HAS to determine what they have in TP.
The best way to find out is through play.
When His opportunity does come, HE HAS TO PRODUCE.
Otherwise, he’ll be gone and the Raiders will be looking for their QB of the Futcha.
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Cousins only played one game as well, filling in for an injured RG3. He played light years better than Pryor did in his one start and Cousins is a rookie. There is a reason why Pryor didn’t start til week 17. He is not an NFL QB. He struggles to learn a playbook, he has accuracy issues and he can’t read NFL defenses.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Reasons to keep Palmer:
1) weak OL, WR’s, new scheme that sucked last year
2) too big of a cap hit
Reasons to get rid of:
1) making way too much money
3) isn’t mobile enough to make plays with his feet
3) big time turnover machine
If we can’t compete for the division next year, I’d rather give TP as shot by week 8. If we’re still rebuilding/retooling, Carson could be traded.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
5 seasons of 3800+ yards passing. 3 years of 4k plus and one of 3970.
4 seasons of 26+ td passes and would have been a 5th this year.
One of the best passers of the last decade.
And some of u think the kid with 46% and 150 yards and LOST is the answer.
Too funny.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
People keep talking about what Pryor can’t do but I gaurantee you the coaches are thinking about what HE CAN DO. Much more now than they have before, they hjave changed their stance on Pryor dramatically since that start. And for good reason….
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They haven’t changed their stance on Pryor that much at all. They just realized how bad Leinart sucks. What can Pryor do? Not much.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Didn’t we drop a lot of passes in that game vs SD?
Didn’t Pryor only have like 3 days to prepare?
His upside is intriguing, at least.
I’d rather suck balls to see if Pryor could develop and show promise vs go 7-9 with Carson Palmer.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Alex smith is better cuz he’s been on a winning team?
Brainless. Clueless. Mindless.
Priceless.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Richard Seymour has never been a leader. Get him the eff out of here!
January 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
With Pryor, we would be the laughingstock of the league. Nfl coaches and talent evaluators don’t need to give a qb 16 games to see if he’s any good. They KNOW now he’s not a good passer.
They said it already. They are “going to see where we can best use him”. What does that sound like? Sounds like wildcat to me.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Nnamdi Asomugha was not a leader, and sad to say, Carson Palmer is not a leader.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
249; I believe most if not all GM’s would agree with me. Alex smith has been a WINNER the past few seasons while Palmer has been a loser for yrs. As he continues to age he’ll only get worse.
253: Those ugly passes and meager completion % resulted in 3 touchdowns for a team that had gones 2-3 game without a single TD. A team who spent an entire season settling for FG’s. Pryor hadn’t played in almost 3 yrs and produced. Imagine what he could/can do without the rust and additional practice time with the first unit.
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I attribute the fact that Pryor scored at all to the lack of game tape. If he plays more, he’ll have more game tape which will make his weaknesses even more obvious to opposing defenses. SD already ready had him figured out for the most part, but they had a couple blown plays that resulted in those scores. I saw nothing about those TDs that made me think Pryor was a good QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Randy Moss opens his mouth BEFORE the Super Bowl. Nice bulletin board material for the Ravens.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
People keep talking about what Pryor can’t do but I gaurantee you the coaches are thinking about what HE CAN DO. Much more now than they have before, they hjave changed their stance on Pryor dramatically since that start. And for good reason….
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They haven’t changed their stance on Pryor that much at all. They just realized how bad Leinart sucks. What can Pryor do? Not much.
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That’s your opinion and you are entitled to it. I’m not here to argue, not muhc point in it.
I stated my opinion and I’m sticking to it. They wouldn’t even dress him and the HC stated he wasn
‘t even ready to be a backup. Now he’s saying he will give him a chance to start. Now if to you that isn’t a change in stance……….so be it!
January 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Missdick is thinking right now:
“How am I gonna get out of this corner I’ve painted myself into? Please let them draft another black qb and trade Pryor. That way I can say the other coaches misused him and maybe people won’t care.”
January 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Cousins only played one game as well, filling in for an injured RG3. He played light years better than Pryor did in his one start and Cousins is a rookie. There is a reason why Pryor didn’t start til week 17. He is not an NFL QB. He struggles to learn a playbook, he has accuracy issues and he can’t read NFL defenses.
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Pryor hadn’t played in a REAL game in almost 2 YEARS.
Cousins started due to injury, and had played the prior Season.
Lienhart was on the roster to back up Palmer because He knew Knapps system…period.
He will not be a Raider next year.
He seemed to get the Team in and out of the huddle just fine, and found open receivers.
Where can you show me that He struggled to learn the playbook?
I thought not.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Raider WRs have been running bad routes and dropping passes all season long and Palmer still had good stats. Knapp and the piss poor defense screwed Palmer out of a lot of games this year. There is only so much a QB can do when your team is down by three or four scores by halftime.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
No raider has said Pryor will be given a chance to start. Show me a quote. That’s all lies. But we are used to it from u priest.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
271: The Chargers weren’t laughing. Matt Leinert an 8 yr vet played the week before TP. Who was clearly the better QB ? Brady Quinn has been a starter for several teams, is he better than TP ?. Carr, Harrington and many more were given far more than 16 games to prove they sucked. TP played his first game in practically 3 years and almost won it, while engineering 3 TD drives.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
You guys are all about trying to prove someone wrong in here. My opinion is my opinion……right or wrong.
I see that these coaches were dead set agianst even playing the kid. Now they come out and the GM for one says he will be given a chance to start and if taht is true. I say LOOK OUT!!
January 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
We’ve seen Carson Palmer, he’s not getting better.
We’ve seen TP6 play 1 game.
I’d rather go 5-11 and find out if TP6 can improve or show signs that he can be consistent than watch us go 8-8 with Carson.
He did score 3 TD’s vs SD with a team that sucked ass behind him, plus a deadbeat OC.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
276.
That’s the trick. No matter what he has an out. Either he performs or the coaches misused him.
Jedi(261), you totally missed my point.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Has anyone ever seen a qb so praised for getting his team in and out of the huddle?
It’s all they can say really.
So funny.
Pryor scouting report:
Pros:
Runs well.
Fiery
Gets in and out of the huddle well.
Cons:
Sucks at passing
January 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
you cant deny Palmer had 4000 yards passing . Impressive numbers considering the lack of talent at WR and Greg knapp as OC. The question to be answered next year is Palmer’s career losing record a product of the teams he is on and the talent around him or is he just a QB who doesnt have the “it” factor. My biggest concern about Palmer is he ranked 29th on 3rd down conversions. However, i will blame that more on Reggie not getting a legit possession WR.
Pryor did not do enough imo in 1 game to displace Palmer as the starting QB. Pryor did do enough to earn the #2 spot if Palmer is still here. I would not restructure Palmer any more, but give him 1 year
January 29th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
For Pryor to be a legit long term answer He has to make all of the requisite throws consistently.
That will determine His trajectory.
Some say He’s incapable, I’d like to find out under real game conditions.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Cousins only played one game as well, filling in for an injured RG3. He played light years better than Pryor did in his one start and Cousins is a rookie. There is a reason why Pryor didn’t start til week 17. He is not an NFL QB. He struggles to learn a playbook, he has accuracy issues and he can’t read NFL defenses.
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Pryor hadn’t played in a REAL game in almost 2 YEARS.
Cousins started due to injury, and had played the prior Season.
Lienhart was on the roster to back up Palmer because He knew Knapps system…period.
He will not be a Raider next year.
He seemed to get the Team in and out of the huddle just fine, and found open receivers.
Where can you show me that He struggled to learn the playbook?
I thought not.
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How about the fact that they had to dummy down the playbook for Pryor. It looked liked they ran the same 10 plays the entire game. Grasping a playbook was something that he has struggled with all the way back at OSU. He was there for three frickin’ years and STILL couldn’t learn the playbook!
There is a reason why it took him two years to start a game and the only reason why he even started the game was cuz of injury as well. Like Pryor, Cousins has a different skill set from RG3. So they couldn’t run the same plays they had been running with RG3 as the starter. Also, Cousins only had that week with the starters. He completed 70% of his passes for over 300 yards.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Priest–but u state u know things that coaches are thinking and state them as facts, not opinion. Have ur opinion all u want. Just don’t lie.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
CP Pros:
throws for a lot of yards
CP cons:
Is overpaid
Turnover machine
Past his prime
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Cousins only played one game as well, filling in for an injured RG3. He played light years better than Pryor did in his one start and Cousins is a rookie. There is a reason why Pryor didn’t start til week 17. He is not an NFL QB. He struggles to learn a playbook, he has accuracy issues and he can’t read NFL defenses.
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Pryor hadn’t played in a REAL game in almost 2 YEARS.
Cousins started due to injury, and had played the prior Season.
Lienhart was on the roster to back up Palmer because He knew Knapps system…period.
He will not be a Raider next year.
He seemed to get the Team in and out of the huddle just fine, and found open receivers.
Where can you show me that He struggled to learn the playbook?
I thought not.
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Len they have to say that to strengthen their position. Pryor said himself he kne wthe playbook but had not gotten any reps to sharpen himself. There is a difference. But why would someone lie on him? just to justify their point I guess….
January 29th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Has anyone ever seen a qb so praised for getting his team in and out of the huddle?
It’s all they can say really.
So funny.
Pryor scouting report:
Pros:
Runs well.
Fiery
Gets in and out of the huddle well.
Cons:
Sucks at passing
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Nice out of context retort.
He ran the offense without a hitch. Better?
I’m not “they”
I’m open minded and haven’t seen enough of a Young QB to make a final determination.
Agenda much?
January 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Boy the extremes they go to to rationalize their opinions. Pryor NEVER knew the OSU playbook now……….lol
Yet he started his entire career there. They must be some very stupid coaches there………lol
January 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
273: I guess using your logic. The league has tape on CP and know he struggles throwing the deep ball accurately, he has no mobility and will telegraph his passes. he also has only moderate pocket awareness, making him susceptible to forced fumbles and sacks. He will also routinely force throws and bad decisions in the clutch.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Cousins had a running game, better coach, better WR’s, better OL, AND he is the #2, so he gets more reps in practice.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Thanks guys have fun
Adios…..
January 29th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
With Pryor, we would be the laughingstock of the league. Nfl coaches and talent evaluators don’t need to give a qb 16 games to see if he’s any good. They KNOW now he’s not a good passer.
They said it already. They are “going to see where we can best use him”. What does that sound like? Sounds like wildcat to me.
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Not True.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
You guys are all about trying to prove someone wrong in here. My opinion is my opinion……right or wrong.
I see that these coaches were dead set agianst even playing the kid. Now they come out and the GM for one says he will be given a chance to start and if taht is true. I say LOOK OUT!!
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They never said they’re giving Pryor a chance to start. They basically said that they wanna see what they have in Pryor before they cut bait with him. I think it is smoke and mirrors to try and make him more appealing as a trade option.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
How about the fact that they had to dummy down the playbook for Pryor. It looked liked they ran the same 10 plays the entire game. Grasping a playbook was something that he has struggled with all the way back at OSU. He was there for three frickin’ years and STILL couldn’t learn the playbook!
There is a reason why it took him two years to start a game and the only reason why he even started the game was cuz of injury as well. Like Pryor, Cousins has a different skill set from RG3. So they couldn’t run the same plays they had been running with RG3 as the starter. Also, Cousins only had that week with the starters. He completed 70% of his passes for over 300 yards.
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OK you win.
Gannon under Gruden ran a hand full of plays.
Look it up.
Gannon took about 10 years to earn a starting gig.
He’s an idiot.
Worked out pretty well for Him.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Priest–but u state u know things that coaches are thinking and state them as facts, not opinion. Have ur opinion all u want. Just don’t lie.
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Exactly Dr Dumbass, quit speaking for NFL Head Coaches and Talent Evaluators regarding their opinion about Pryor
Just quit lying.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
For some reason I get the sense cj is talking about seymour and rolando…
January 29th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Johnson said what we all know including Reggie and DA. 20 people who dont even love football on team. Problem is contracts taking awhile to get rid of. Seymour, TK,McLame, maybe McFragile who plays through no injury?
Reggies guys like to play and you will see. 8-8 with the highest payroll was not that impressive. payroll coming down and picks are going up! I’ll take it!
January 29th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Boy the extremes they go to to rationalize their opinions. Pryor NEVER knew the OSU playbook now……….lol
Yet he started his entire career there. They must be some very stupid coaches there………lol
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Dude, I am not the only one that has said that about Pryor. In college, Pryor got by on his athleticism. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of the things that I don’t like about Pryor now, are things he has struggled with since college.
http://www.thelantern.com/sports/pryor-s-struggles-continue-to-hold-back-buckeyes-1.791300#.UQihxB2ulFk
One article about Pryor….
January 29th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Good luck CJ.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Evening, all. I was just checking email before hitting the rack and thought I’d check in to see if there was any silliness I missed out on since last check.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Scouting report on Palmer:
Pros:
Great passer.
Still in prime.
Around league average for turnovers.
Leader/mentor
Cons:
Overpaid.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
303Raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
CP Pros:
throws for a lot of yards
CP cons:
Is overpaid
Turnover machine
Past his prime
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Overpaid?- Ok.
Past his prime?- Debatable seeing as he’s yr’s younger than Peyton and Brady and about the same age as Eli, Romo and Brees.
Turnover machine?- 14 picks and at least 4 of them we’re right on target and doinked off the receivers hands.
Let’s try to keep it real.
90% of this blog hates Palmer for various reasons.
How about 4-11?- Legit beef. He has the most important position on the team so he bears his share of culpability for that.
One thing I notice is the rips on Palmer always tend to sound personal.
There’s enough legit stuff to criticize him for and lord knows everyone will pick every little piece they can find.
Even the article in Bleacher Report where it brings out his “clutch stat” failings also had to begrudgingly admit that he wasn’t far off from Flacco in that regard.
I was gonna suggest we try to keep it fair…but in here that’s impossible.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
beach Says: Nnamdi Asomugha was not a leader, and sad to say, Carson Palmer is not a leader.
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Yeah, Carson is.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
249; I believe most if not all GM’s would agree with me. Alex smith has been a WINNER the past few seasons while Palmer has been a loser for yrs. As he continues to age he’ll only get worse.
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Just curious. What do you think the 49ers’ record would’ve been with Carson Palmer this year and how well do you think the Raiders would’ve done with Alex Smith?
January 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Len–no agenda. I’d take a lot of young passers over Palmer.
But:
Palmer = good passer.
Pryor = bad passer.
Pretty simple. Can’t even be argued.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Len, you’re just being dumb now. Gannon didn’t run only a handful of plays. he knew that playbook like the back of his hand. He was a journeyman QB for most of his career cuz he didn’t land with the right team and scheme. He was an NFL QB. Pryor will never be an NFL QB. He may have most of the physical ability to be an NFL QB, but he doesn’t have it between the ears.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Dude, I am not the only one that has said that about Pryor. In college, Pryor got by on his athleticism. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of the things that I don’t like about Pryor now, are things he has struggled with since college.
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Clearly Pryor is the only Uber athletic Guy to “get by”
on His athleticism when competing against Guys in the minor leagues.
Part of the growth process is the realization that in the NFL all of the MEN that play the game are Uber athletic.
He gets it, and has done and said everything to acknowledge that.
He works, studies and listens.
Why is it that Palmer is so fond of Him?
Work ethic perhaps?
January 29th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
so good to be winning again
where Laker fan at!?!
http://www.nba.com/warriors/gameday/20130129
January 29th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
I really like Carson, but he does not have the intangibles to win when it counts. Unless you put the 2000 Ravens defense around him, he can’t be a Super Bowl QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
249; I believe most if not all GM’s would agree with me. Alex smith has been a WINNER the past few seasons while Palmer has been a loser for yrs. As he continues to age he’ll only get worse.
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Just curious. What do you think the 49ers’ record would’ve been with Carson Palmer this year and how well do you think the Raiders would’ve done with Alex Smith?
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Niners with Palmer 9^7
Raiders with Alex Smith 7-9 or 6-10
January 29th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Len–no agenda. I’d take a lot of young passers over Palmer.
But:
Palmer = good passer.
Pryor = bad passer.
Pretty simple. Can’t even be argued.
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I’m willing to see what Pryor can do as a QB in the NFL.
I’m not convinced that He can’t Pass effectively.
Just my opinion
January 29th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Dude, I am not the only one that has said that about Pryor. In college, Pryor got by on his athleticism. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of the things that I don’t like about Pryor now, are things he has struggled with since college.
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Clearly Pryor is the only Uber athletic Guy to “get by”
on His athleticism when competing against Guys in the minor leagues.
Part of the growth process is the realization that in the NFL all of the MEN that play the game are Uber athletic.
He gets it, and has done and said everything to acknowledge that.
He works, studies and listens.
Why is it that Palmer is so fond of Him?
Work ethic perhaps?
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Palmer may like the kid, but it doesn’t mean that he is an NFL QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
After seeing Carson for a year and a half, he makes too many mistakes. He is like a Matt Ryan. Can’t handle the pressure of the moment.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
But give him a better offensive line and yes, he is definitely capable of leading the Raiders to the playoffs.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Palmer has what… 3 years left in him max? I don’t see a Super Bowl by then do you? Even if we did then what? Back at the bottom with old vets and a rookie QB. Stray fresh now, hope for the best but for god sakes let our young guys develop together as a unit, including a new QB
January 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I’m not willing to sacrifice several games to simply see if the kid can be an NFL QB. If he can’ get it done in practice, then he won’t get it done on the field.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Len, you’re just being dumb now. Gannon didn’t run only a handful of plays. he knew that playbook like the back of his hand. He was a journeyman QB for most of his career cuz he didn’t land with the right team and scheme. He was an NFL QB. Pryor will never be an NFL QB. He may have most of the physical ability to be an NFL QB, but he doesn’t have it between the ears.
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Lincoln Kennedy may have exaggerated, but It’s his quote that I’m repeating.
Gannon was supposed to be a DB. Look into that.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I’m not willing to sacrifice several games to simply see if the kid can be an NFL QB. If he can’ get it done in practice, then he won’t get it done on the field.
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So how do you account for Allen’s surprise at Pryor’s performance.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Dude, I am not the only one that has said that about Pryor. In college, Pryor got by on his athleticism. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of the things that I don’t like about Pryor now, are things he has struggled with since college.
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Clearly Pryor is the only Uber athletic Guy to “get by”
on His athleticism when competing against Guys in the minor leagues.
Part of the growth process is the realization that in the NFL all of the MEN that play the game are Uber athletic.
He gets it, and has done and said everything to acknowledge that.
He works, studies and listens.
Why is it that Palmer is so fond of Him?
Work ethic perhaps?
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Palmer may like the kid, but it doesn’t mean that he is an NFL QB.
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Hopefully, the kid turns the corner and starts the ball rolling again….this has got to be the biggest group of chicken little-the sky is falling-”GM scouts” i have ever seen
My God, let the kid play and flourish. You expect THE GODDAMN WORST IN EVERYTHING.
Jesus.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I am a realist and everything I have seen from him since college says not an NFL QB. Plain and simple. I don’t want to waste time on something that can’t be changed.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I’m not willing to sacrifice several games to simply see if the kid can be an NFL QB. If he can’ get it done in practice, then he won’t get it done on the field.
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So how do you account for Allen’s surprise at Pryor’s performance.
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What surprise? DA wasn’t surprised by Pryor’s piss poor stats.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I am a realist and everything I have seen from him since college says not an NFL QB. Plain and simple. I don’t want to waste time on something that can’t be changed.
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Got it.
Really.
Whom do the Raiders trade or draft for in the next year or so to be the Man for 10 years?
January 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
BTW,
Raiders D gave up more than 10 ppg more than the 49ers this year. 49ers were ranked 2nd in the league on D. Raiders were 28th.
Raiders were 28th in rushing offense. 49ers were 4th.
Those things might’ve had something to do with 4-12. Not very much to do with Carson Palmer or Alex Smith though.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
What surprise? DA wasn’t surprised by Pryor’s piss poor stats.
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You mean the 3 TD’s?
January 29th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
BTW,
Raiders D gave up more than 10 ppg more than the 49ers this year. 49ers were ranked 2nd in the league on D. Raiders were 28th.
Raiders were 28th in rushing offense. 49ers were 4th.
Those things might’ve had something to do with 4-12. Not very much to do with Carson Palmer or Alex Smith though.
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Nothing wrong with Carson. Gotta be able to run it and have Receivers that catch it and run the proper routes.
Helps a bit.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Derek Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
249; I believe most if not all GM’s would agree with me. Alex smith has been a WINNER the past few seasons while Palmer has been a loser for yrs. As he continues to age he’ll only get worse.
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Just curious. What do you think the 49ers’ record would’ve been with Carson Palmer this year and how well do you think the Raiders would’ve done with Alex Smith?
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Niners with Palmer 9^7
Raiders with Alex Smith 7-9 or 6-10
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I’d say 13-3 for the 49ers with Palmer, 2-14 for the Raiders with Smith. Guess it’s all just speculation though.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
There were a ton of games at OSU where Pryor wasn’t great. He really seemed to only play good against the poor defenses. He was only mediocre against the better defenses.
January 29th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Joe Flacco is like Eli Manning, a road warrior and ready to be a Super Bowl champ. The Ravens have the defense to beat the 49ers.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
There were a ton of games at OSU where Pryor wasn’t great. He really seemed to only play good against the poor defenses. He was only mediocre against the better defenses.
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OK.
How many years ago?
Think He might be better now, or has He regressed?
Do you believe A Luck will be better next season, and even better by year 5?
If so, why?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
There were a ton of games at OSU where Pryor wasn’t great. He really seemed to only play good against the poor defenses. He was only mediocre against the better defenses.
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MVP of the Rose Bowl, that must have been a pretty good team? Lol
January 29th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
Beach Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Joe Flacco is like Eli Manning, a road warrior and ready to be a Super Bowl champ. The Ravens have the defense to beat the 49ers.
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Disagree. But it should be a good game.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Terelle Pryor had a great College career, no?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Pryor played at Ohio State, no? Or Chico St?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
Boy the extremes they go to to rationalize their opinions. Pryor NEVER knew the OSU playbook now……….lol
Yet he started his entire career there. They must be some very stupid coaches there………lol
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Dude, I am not the only one that has said that about Pryor. In college, Pryor got by on his athleticism. He won’t be able to do that in the NFL. A lot of the things that I don’t like about Pryor now, are things he has struggled with since college.
http://www.thelantern.com/sports/pryor-s-struggles-continue-to-hold-back-buckeyes-1.791300#.UQihxB2ulFk
One article about Pryor….
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This is a very good article to illustrate my original opinion of Pryor. I have said and maintain from day1 this kid was really raw. Needed to be coached up mostly mechanics and the the need to learn to play from the pocket.
Originally I thought Pryor was going to be a tough sell due to this. However as i watched tape of him I saw something that was extremely entriguing. I saw a guy with unlimited potential who just sisn’t know how to play the position correctly. That means if he is a hard worker and had the drive he could be special. The Talent was NOT the issue it was where he was at in his development. QB’s like RG3 and Luck have been schooled in advanced passing schemes Pryor was allowd to just play adn make as many plays as his athletic ability would allow.
Now if a team actually coached him up and helped him learn the fine points of the position what would you have? I say you would have one exceptional QB one which would have unlimited potential. Since Pryor has been in this league he is much better than he was when this article was written. In fact he was much better his junior year. Go back and watch the film of his BCS bowl game that soph season and then his junior year. You could see extreme improvement in his ability to see the field. But everything is in teh execution of mechanics and process what you see. His game against Arkansas in te BCS bowl game showed while yet still raw his understanding of defenses and patient to execute the offense was much better.
Looking at other QB’s in the draft like kappy earlier I saw him execute a much more advanced passing attack because he was in his 4th season in it. Pryor’s offense was pedestrian in comparison. The Pistol is all the rage now while when Kappy was there he was put off as a gimmick but you could see he was much more advanced in the passing game than people gave him credit for.
If you watch tape of Pryor’s games he is NEVER given a chance to get in any rythum in the passing game. They always went to him running the ball. In this league for the first time in his very short career he is getting schooled in the finer aspects of the passing game. which he will continue to get better and better. What you saw from Pryor was him in his rawest of states as a NFL passer. He is totally all upside because for the first time he is truely leanring how to play the position correctly. The talent is a given from here the sky is the limit as to how good he will ultimately be.
That’s why when people go back and judge hiom on his college career I really don’t look at it as what he WILL BE. I look at it as where he came from not where he’s going. He won 24 out of 28 games and he didn’t even know what he was doing I wonder what he will do once he actually knows what he is doing and it comes naturally. I saw all the flaws but I didn’t FOCUS on his flaws I focused on his positives and the final thing was how bad does HE want it.
You guys keep thinking he is what he will always be, I keep thinking WOW I can’t wait until he really can play the game the way I know he ultimately will………….period
January 29th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Ideal draft trade scenario:
AZ trades their 1sts in 2013 & 14 for our #3 overall, they draft Geno, Philadelphia then trades their #4 overall and a 2nd for Terrell.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
KK, in terms of W-L sure, but in terms of his play? Not so much. His stats don’t tell the whole picture about his play at OSU.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I am a realist and everything I have seen from him since college says not an NFL QB. Plain and simple. I don’t want to waste time on something that can’t be changed.
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Got it.
Really.
Whom do the Raiders trade or draft for in the next year or so to be the Man for 10 years?
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Personally, i’d want to trade for Cousins to develop more will we still have Palmer for the next year or two OR I’d draft Teddy Bridgewater when he comes out 2014/15 or draft Derek Carr in 2014. Not sure what Carr’s draft stock will be in 2014, but he could be a 1st or 2nd round pick most likely.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
KK, in terms of W-L sure, but in terms of his play? Not so much. His stats don’t tell the whole picture about his play at OSU.
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So, his W-L and stats don’t tell the story, but you do? Do I have that right?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
There were a ton of games at OSU where Pryor wasn’t great. He really seemed to only play good against the poor defenses. He was only mediocre against the better defenses.
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OK.
How many years ago?
Think He might be better now, or has He regressed?
Do you believe A Luck will be better next season, and even better by year 5?
If so, why?
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I am talking about as recently as his last year at OSU. Pryor was mostly getting draft grades as being a 6th or 7th round pick Mayock was the most generous as saying he’s a 4th rounder at best.
To me, Pryor is more or less the same as he was his last year at OSU.
Yes, I believe that Luck could be one of the best QBs in the NFL by his 5th year. He has the physical tools as well as the mechanics, footwork and the mental grasp that is required to play QB in the NFL.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
KK, in terms of W-L sure, but in terms of his play? Not so much. His stats don’t tell the whole picture about his play at OSU.
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So, his W-L and stats don’t tell the story, but you do? Do I have that right?
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No, I am going off my own observations as well as the observations of many others. I have already posted two articles of people talking about Pryor’s struggles while at OSU.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
For instance look at kappy now as opposed to what scouts thought of him before he was drafted. If you heard some fo things said about him before he was drafted you would NOT believe it. I was absolutely sure we were the ONLY team interested in him that early. He was considered a mid rnd pick project. With horrible mechanics and a lack of knowledge of reading defenses. It was said Kappy got away on athletic ability and his strong arm and he would be essential a pick machine in the NFL.
They pretty much wrote him off as a gimmick, go back and look at his scouting reports. Not all scouts but most would not consider him a 2nd rnd pick. I bet they wish they ha dtaken him in the 1st rnd NOW. And he was weel schooled in his system and allowed to throw much more than Pryor ever was. Jim Harbaugh has done a masterful job with coaching Kappy up. he has changed his throwing motion his mechanics and even got him to take some speed off his passes as of late.
Taht is what great coaches DO they take great talent and make great players out of them.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
G’d night, all!
January 29th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Personally, i’d want to trade for Cousins to develop more will we still have Palmer for the next year or two OR I’d draft Teddy Bridgewater when he comes out 2014/15 or draft Derek Carr in 2014. Not sure what Carr’s draft stock will be in 2014, but he could be a 1st or 2nd round pick most likely.
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OK.
I respect your right to your opinion.
I don’t follow college prospects, but I’ve heard Bridgewater mentioned more than a few times around here.
Cousins will not be going anywhere for a year or two.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Yet Pryor beat Cousins on the regular at that level, and Cousins was well schooled as a QB his ebtire life. Pryor has been a QB maybe 7 years of his life he is just learning what Cousins knew probably in highschool. Pryor’s development although late has not stopped him from producing WINS.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
U would have to go back pretty far to find a QB at Ohio state who didn’t have a winning record KELL u idiot don’t forget to put ur denture’s in before u eat old fck
January 29th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Priest, Pryor has always had the benefit of a good running offense. Pryor never really had to make any tough throws will in college. When he felt the slightest pressure, he’d just take off and run.
I know a bit about Kaepernick as I am a Fresno State and I saw Kaepernick play the whole time he was at Nevada. He was good in college and I didn’t know how he would translate to the NFL coming from Ault’s Pistol offense. He has done good this year, but I don’t know how much longer it’ll last as it could just be another one of those trends that only last for a year or two, much like the Wildcat.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Most want to think there is no way Pryor will EVER become a great QB because of what he NEVER was but what they don’t take into consideration is that young mans desire to be great. That is 90% of teh battle…
January 29th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
I don’t believe this. This is someone just trying to change the story, to affect the outcome. Outcome is set, and tomorrow is another day.
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It only takes one finger to point blame, and in the case of the Buckeyes it’s easy to direct that digit toward quarterback Terrelle Pryor.
And while singling out the sophomore is fair enough, three or four fault-flowing fingers would do more justice in identifying the reasons behind Ohio State’s letdown at Purdue.
Pryor is about as consistent as gas prices. In his 16 starts at OSU, Pryor has never topped 200 passing yards in consecutive games. In his last five contests, he has thrown for 262, 82, 166, 87 and 221 yards. That pattern doesn’t exactly illustrate offensive stability.
A pair of glaring areas of weakness has vividly appeared during Pryor’s latest stretch of ineptitude. Two critical attributes for any quarterback, decision making and throwing mechanics, are far from Pryor’s strong suit.
He hasn’t demonstrated a strong grasp of the basic fundamentals of playing his position. He often locks onto one receiver, clearly broadcasting his thought process to the defense.
Pryor’s indecisiveness has stunted the growth of the Buckeyes’ offensive unit. His inability to make snap judgments has led to more sacks, fumbles and interceptions than coach Jim Tressel could have ever expected when recruiting the nation’s top prospect two years ago.
Through seven games, Pryor has already thrown eight interceptions, just one less than he threw in all of 2008. He has connected with the wrong-colored jersey in all but one game this season, an alarming statistic.
In just one game this season has Pryor recorded a quarterback rating of more than 100. Last season, he topped the century mark in five of his nine starts.
What’s more disturbing is how his hesitancy and indecision have made the task for the offensive line even more difficult.
With three sophomores and two juniors starting at unfamiliar positions, the line was expected to take time to gel.
Injuries and a widespread flu bug have forced the coaching staff to rotate bodies along the line all season, keeping the group from unearthing any form of consistency.
Pryor, with the ability to run from and break free of tackles, has the athleticism to make up for a weak line; he was sacked just twice in the first four games of ‘09.
But in the past three games, while completing just 54 percent of his passes and looking as uncomfortable in the pocket as ever, Pryor has been taken down on 10 occasions.
The offensive line certainly warrants part of the blame, but Pryor has only made their assignments more difficult. Against Purdue, who had allowed an average of 30.5 points per game before shutting down the Buckeyes, Pryor tried to scramble away from a sack but was taken down 11 yards behind the line of scrimmage before fumbling away the ball.
The offensive strategy employed by the OSU coaches has been a vital root behind the lack of Pryor’s growth at quarterback. While the base formation has gradually morphed into an option setup that plays to Pryor’s strengths, the playcalling continues to hold back the offense.
The Buckeye playbook has as much creativity as a “Saw” movie. Pryor was involved in all but seven offensive plays on Saturday, the seven being carries by running back Brandon Saine.
When a player is struggling, it’s wise to put that athlete in the best position to succeed. When a knockdown shooter can’t stroke a jump shot, he takes the ball to the basket for an easy layup. When a batter is struggling to get a base hit, he tries to draw a walk. When a quarterback can’t stop turning the ball over, he either hands to his running back or finds a receiver for a short, easy gain.
Instead, when it was raining on the Buckeyes, Tressel, Pryor and Co. let it pour. Pryor threw an interception on OSU’s second drive of the third quarter. After Purdue turned it right back over to the Bucks, Pryor immediately started airing it out again. He was nearly picked off on the first play of the drive, and then the Boilermakers intercepted him on the third play.
The gaping holes in Pryor’s game continue to be magnified by the poor play of the offensive line and ineffective strategizing by Tressel and the coaching staff.
While fans might want to point a certain finger in the direction of the coach and quarterback, it’s the pinky and ring fingers that should be delegated to Tressel and the offensive line and a rigid index finger that should direct the brunt of the blame toward Pryor.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Pryor can’t throw period he suck’s
January 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Chris in NY Says:
Just curious. What do you think the 49ers’ record would’ve been with Carson Palmer this year and how well do you think the Raiders would’ve done with Alex Smith?
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We would have sucked and they’d be in the SuperBowl.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
As far as the desire to be great being 90% of the battle? I know that’s myh opinion, because everyone in the NFL has the desire to be great. So, yeah, that’s talkin out my ass, but it’s the long term effect that is important. Not what you can do, but what you believe you can do.
Climb a mountain instead of going around it.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Palmer, lechler, dhb, Kelly, huff, dmac make up for over a third of our cap. If I were mckenzie I would keep huff at a new salary. Dmac only because its a contract year. Palmer for 3 mil. That’s it
January 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Jedi, maybe you cna’t understand my position. I couldn’t care less what Pryor did production wise in college I have studied it all. I’m looking at what he can become not what he was. Now I was able to convince those that matter and they also for themselves saw what I saw. Thus they drafted him…
The coaching staff may havw once had a certain opinion of Pryor as an athlete trying to play QB. I don’t think that is the case anymore I think their views have changed as did my own the more I studied him in college. This kid has all-world potential if he puts in the time and effort…………..period
January 29th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
What were the scouting reports regarding Tom Brady?
How’d He become so successful?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
All opinions aside. I’m excited for the coming weeks and months to see what the first ever GM of our new Oakland raiders does. Good night nation
January 29th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
Most want to think there is no way Pryor will EVER become a great QB because of what he NEVER was but what they don’t take into consideration is that young mans desire to be great. That is 90% of teh battle…
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I think Pryor will be very good, maybe even great. Probably not next year, though.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
It’s a great off-season night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
HueJax lovers?? When guys like Ray Lewis start using Hue as their explanation/connection for using PED’s, you KNOW it was the right move letting that mani-pedi poseur go…
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21622381/report-ray-lewis-denies-si-allegation-on-ped-use
January 29th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Pryor can’t throw period he suck’s
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Your opinion. Yes, he sucks now, but the desire to be great is all he needs. Until now he didn’t have that desire, and that’s what will propell him into greatness. I see it in this kid.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
irjonny Says:
Palmer, lechler, dhb, Kelly, huff, dmac make up for over a third of our cap. If I were mckenzie I would keep huff at a new salary. Dmac only because its a contract year. Palmer for 3 mil. That’s it
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Chances are, you’re not Palmers agent.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Priest, Pryor has always had the benefit of a good running offense. Pryor never really had to make any tough throws will in college. When he felt the slightest pressure, he’d just take off and run.
I know a bit about Kaepernick as I am a Fresno State and I saw Kaepernick play the whole time he was at Nevada. He was good in college and I didn’t know how he would translate to the NFL coming from Ault’s Pistol offense. He has done good this year, but I don’t know how much longer it’ll last as it could just be another one of those trends that only last for a year or two, much like the Wildcat.
******************************************************* That’s what everyone wants to believe but Kappy is a student of teh game and will get better and better. You haven’t seen anything yet from this kid. He will be exceptional from the pocket when Jim gets through with him. The kid is extremely smart and takes to coahcing well and he has a great coach do help him get there.
Kappy is far from some wildcat gimmick or any gimmick he is a dual threat QB….period
January 29th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raider fan, isn’t it?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
I really want to be an nfl qb. I mean I really really want to. Think I have a shot? I threw 84 mph in high school. I ran a 4.7. Can I do it? I really want to.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Mark my words now. Pryor will be starting by week 4. By week 8 he will officially be the future, and by end of year all of you doubters will have no choice but to admit you were wrong.
We’ll see who’sd a punk or not.
I back up my words. We’ll see which one of you fools will do the same. Put up or shut up…period.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Kappy is far from some wildcat gimmick or any gimmick he is a dual threat QB….period
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No Doubt.
Some thing that should be acknowledged is that TP looked to throw 1st against SD.
He also looked calm in the pocket. (no happy feet)
Good 1st impression from my point of view.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Pryor has serious accuracy issues, has a weird unnatural throwing motion, and throws a horrible ball. It would take a miracle to become even adequate, let alone good.
I posted some math a while ago that showed Pryor would have to run for about 1200 yards to make up for the difference between him and Palmer, with the amount of completions he would lack comparatively.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Kappy didn’t have the skill set until he believed. Now when he makes a great run, or scores a td, he kisses his bicep, where he has the tattoo I BELIEVE.
You might not believe in this, but anyone who plays the game knows 90% is between the ears. We all have arms and legs. It’s what we do with that 10% up top that makes the difference.
Like Kappy, I believe…period.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Troll I know you love being me as much as you can but you can’t you can only pretend.
But keep tryin’ if it somehow helps your mental issues. At least your not out killing people………or are you?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Craig Krenzel had a tremendous record at OSU as did Mike Tomsczak. It means nothing. Tee Martin won a National title with Tennessee…heck Tebow won two of em with Florida. McElroy w/ Bama etc. etc. etc.
But…imo we would’ve saved a heck of alot of speculation had Pryor started the last 3 games like he should have. It would’ve given us a much better indication of what he can do.
One game? All that’s done is spark an endless debate amongst the Raider fatihful.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
BHP — I appreciate your excitement over Pryor’s physical abilities…they are impressive. His attitude is great, and he is — and will keep on — improving. The sky may be the limit.
BUT…the Raiders need to draft (or otherwise acquire) a young QB who will either push Pryor, or flat-out beat him for the job.
If the hoped-for new kid can’t beat-out Pryor, but Pryor’s better than CPalmer, then we’ll be a better Team with Pryor at the helm. However, that’s far from a sure thing.
If you wanna crown his a$$, crown his a$$…but Pryor’s got an uphill battle ahead of him. For all our sakes, we better hope the Raiders haven’t crowned him yet. The QB position needs competition…from more than CPalmer and TPryor…or we will never take the next step foward.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Yeah priest. Ur not a man of ur word though. U told me Pryor would pass for 300 and run for 100 in week 17 or u would come in here and admit U were wrong. But u never did.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Yet Pryor beat Cousins on the regular at that level, and Cousins was well schooled as a QB his ebtire life. Pryor has been a QB maybe 7 years of his life he is just learning what Cousins knew probably in highschool. Pryor’s development although late has not stopped him from producing WINS.
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Pryor played at OSU which always has good TEAMS. Cousins first year as a starter at MSU was a 6-7 record. However, the next two years he led them to a 22-5 record and beat Georgia in the Outback Bowl his last year there. He was 4-0 against Michigan as well. He won the Big Ten as a junior and played in the first ever Big Ten Championship. He only played OSU twice, once as a RS freshman, losing, and again as a senior, winning.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
I really want to be an nfl qb. I mean I really really want to. Think I have a shot? I threw 84 mph in high school. I ran a 4.7. Can I do it? I really want to.
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84 and 4.7 get the big forgetaboutit.
Reality is Uber athletes play Big Time College and then get vetted by the Men of Pro Sport.
Some make an impact early, most don’t.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
He only played against Pryor once, so I don’t know where you got that Pryor beat him on the regular…. Sure Cousins lost against Pryor, he was on a crappy MSU team that year and he was filling in cuz the starter was injured. He didn’t become the starter til the following year.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
HD37, who’s crowning anyone? And yeah teh QB position needs competition I agree. They know what they see in practice now. Before they didn’t know what they had in Pryor because he never got reps. Now they see so we’ll all see…………crowning aside.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Len–that’s my point. I wanted it plenty bad. But physically I came up short.
Pryor can’t pass.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
I’ve watched thousands of college qb’s. followed most throughout their career. And the intangibles I see in Pryor is something the team never saw. Scouts laughed at me, and threw Pryor’s stats out there, and comments from writers that followed him in college.
I convniced the powers that be that Pryor had the intagibles. The areas you can’t measure. It’s what you see in their eyes, not what you see in their arm. It’s what you hear in their words, not what you read on the stat sheets. Pryor is the smartest player I’ve ever talked to in my life, and I’ve talked to dozens. He’s the real deal, and thankfully the team listened to me, and took a look into his soul, and his desire.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Btw, i’m not comparing Pryor to Krenzel and Tee Martin and McElroy..imo Pryor is better than them.
Those QB’s have had their shot QBing an NFL game..(not sure about Tee) and they basically fizzled. Pryor did not fizzle in his one chance…which leads to hope and promise in more than a few people.
We’ll see more…
January 29th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
You cannot be serious with that bullsh*t?
Draft Geno!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Pryor has great size and speed. And a subpar arm.
It’s that simple. Wishing upon a star won’t change it.
I know a lot of guys here really really really really want it to happen (for suspect reasons). But it ain’t in him.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
When Plunkett came here he was whipped, and done. SF spit him out, and he was dejected. I took him out to A&W for a rootbeer float, and we talked about what you can’t measure. Talked about eye of the tiger. Actually had him do the chase the chicken drill to get his feet is tune with his mind, and the rest is history.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
On September 20, 2008, Pryor threw for four touchdowns (an Ohio State record for a freshman) and one interception in his first career start for Ohio State. Ohio State beat Troy 28-10.
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Can’t throw?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Jedi, Listen man I saw them compete and I saw Cousins play many times some times well others not so well. Normally he would start slow and come on late. He’s a talent no question.
Cousins is almost what he will be in terms of upside. Pryor on the other hand is all upside and yet it did not preclude him from winning. No one knows how good he will ultimately be I have never said this is what he will be……….I’ve always said if given the chance and coached properly this kid could become lethal and i still believe that. WE wont see what he is for maybe 2 years before he starts to show his true potential. But he could win a lot of games in the interum.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Troy? with Brad Pitt?
January 29th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Priest convinced al davis to draft Pryor!
We are actually hearing from a delusional man.
Very sad.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
No sh*t, Rob.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Hey listen we’re all saying the same things over and over again…………and it’s only January.lol
Lets wait at least until the last minicamps to start making declarations…
Adios!
January 29th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I got a story I’m not going to share. You people are so lucky.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Come on Purvisman…u can’t do that.
Lay it on us.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
chase the chicken drill
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Blog gold. Looked(googled) for it recently. Couldn’t find it.
January 29th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Priest–u need help man. See a doctor. U did NOT convince the raiders to take Pryor.
Get some help.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
share purv?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Priest is reliving the rocky story and has made himself Mickey, the trainer.
I won’t make fun of him anymore. He’s a sick man.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Somebody said they fed their chickens kitchen scraps (as do I) and they’d go into battle with him.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
He took plunkett out for ice cream and had him do the chicken chase. Wow.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Pryor got plenty of reps…maybe not with the 1’s, but he got plenty of reps. Weren’t the Coaches paying attention? Couldn’t they see if he was making the kinds of progress necessary to improve in this League?
The Team knew everything they needed to know about Pryor except his Commitment To Excellence(JaMarcus) before they picked him…and they have watched his development closely.
Few in here dispute that Pryor should’ve played some more the last few games…but BHP, you seem to think the Raiders should just pull Palmer aside and say, “Go ahead kid, it’s your Team now,” without him beating-out the incumbent.
CPalmer’s old. Pryor’s nowhere near as ready to lead the Offense as well as CPalmer does. Until he is, Pryor’s not our answer. You keep citing that Team across the Bay…the big difference is that Kaepernick actually WAS ready to lead his O better than the incumbent. Welcome to the NFL.
Eventually, CPalmer will get beaten-out of his job…all old QB’s do. But, right now he’s a +/- 4,500-yard thrower, who can recognize most every defensive package in the NFL. Those are tough shoes to fill…as Pryor has found out.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Jedi, maybe you cna’t understand my position. I couldn’t care less what Pryor did production wise in college I have studied it all. I’m looking at what he can become not what he was. Now I was able to convince those that matter and they also for themselves saw what I saw. Thus they drafted him…
The coaching staff may havw once had a certain opinion of Pryor as an athlete trying to play QB. I don’t think that is the case anymore I think their views have changed as did my own the more I studied him in college. This kid has all-world potential if he puts in the time and effort…………..period
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All World? Eh, doubtful.
Like you said about Kaepernick, the game is 90% mental and that is what Pryor simply does not have. That is why Pryor will never be an NFL QB. He does not have the mental capability to grasp the game on the NFL level.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Would much rather trade him for Kirk Cousins if possible.
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Trade him for Jaba the hud and a biggie fry.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
If you’ve never chased chickens, this is a pointless topic.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Somebody said they fed their chickens kitchen scraps (as do I) and they’d go into battle with him.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Story?!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
I get to chase Guinnea fowl, too.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
I’ve watched thousands of college qb’s. followed most throughout their career. And the intangibles I see in Pryor is something the team never saw. Scouts laughed at me, and threw Pryor’s stats out there, and comments from writers that followed him in college.
I convniced the powers that be that Pryor had the intagibles. The areas you can’t measure. It’s what you see in their eyes, not what you see in their arm. It’s what you hear in their words, not what you read on the stat sheets. Pryor is the smartest player I’ve ever talked to in my life, and I’ve talked to dozens. He’s the real deal, and thankfully the team listened to me, and took a look into his soul, and his desire.
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Now I KNOW you are full of it after calling Pryor the smartest QB you ever talked to. A smart QB can read a defense. A smart QB can learn a playbook. Pryor can do neither of those things.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
O, weren’t you here that day? Only a year or so back and as hilarious a day as I can rmember on this blog.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
I actually think the game is mostly physical. Like 90%.
It’s the 10% intangibles that separate the cream from the rest.
And I have seen smart guys who were a wreck on the field and dumb guys who were sports geniuses.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
On September 20, 2008, Pryor threw for four touchdowns (an Ohio State record for a freshman) and one interception in his first career start for Ohio State. Ohio State beat Troy 28-10.
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Can’t throw?
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Oh look who he played….. Fudging Troy for crying out loud. Wanna impress me? Have that be his stat line against Wisconsin for his first start……
January 29th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Pryor has incredible talents……for a wr.
He lacks the passing ability. It’s just that simple.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Sorry. I am trying to catch up on the convo, but I made and am eating pancakes right now…..
January 29th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Raider O Says:
Story?!
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Too many cervesas, too little ambition. Maybe manana.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
At least we’re not the Yankees owing ARod 114 million dollars for 5 yr’s. longer.
It’s all GUARANTEED.
He’s not even gonna play this year.
Wow!
Sorry for the off topic…
January 29th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
These guys have clearly grasped onto Pryor as their Great Black Hope. They are blinded by it, like a mommy who thinks her ugly child is beautiful. But it doesn’t make it true.
They say I’m racist cuz I point it out. Which, if they knew me, they would know is ridiculous.
I would be perfectly happy to have a great black qb on the raiders.
But Pryor sucks at passing and I’m gonna call it how I see it.
Period.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Kappy didn’t have the skill set until he believed. Now when he makes a great run, or scores a td, he kisses his bicep, where he has the tattoo I BELIEVE.
You might not believe in this, but anyone who plays the game knows 90% is between the ears. We all have arms and legs. It’s what we do with that 10% up top that makes the difference.
Like Kappy, I believe…period.
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It helps he has a rocket arm and perfect mechanics.
If Pryor had either he wouldn’t need a tattoo.
He throws wounded ducks, and doesn’t step into his throws yet.
After doing nothing besides working on his mechanics since he got to the NFL…
January 29th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Llama man,
I don’t remember bro. You are asking a Green Party member to remember a story from a year ago?lol
I’m happy I remembered my wife’s birthday this year.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
these guys cant wait to jerk off to every black QB there is doesn’t matter how good or how bad he is there fcking clowns
January 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Pryor lacks too many things to be a starting NFL QB…..
January 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
At least Jerry is staying on top of his game.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders will never be great again without a great leader at QB. He can be quiet or loud, shy or brash, any color or creed…but he MUST be a great leader.
TPryor may have leadership ability…but he still has the personality of a high schooler. When he matures, his game will also. Until he does, he cannot be a great leader of men.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Toilet Paper 6-pack is a wr playing qb.
I just wanted to type my nickname for him. I’m trying to see if it will stick.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Kaepernick was the best QB in the WAC for pretty much the entire time he was at Nevada.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
these guys cant wait to jerk off to every black QB there is doesn’t matter how good or how bad he is there fcking clowns
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Pretty hateful. It’s about Palmer vs Pryor for me.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Kaepernick was the best QB in the WAC for pretty much the entire time he was at Nevada.
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Is that a major conference?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
PRYOR is lucky he played in the big ten if he would have played in the SEC he would have been undrafted
January 29th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders will never be great again without a great leader at QB. He can be quiet or loud, shy or brash, any color or creed…but he MUST be a great leader.
TPryor may have leadership ability…but he still has the personality of a high schooler. When he matures, his game will also. Until he does, he cannot be a great leader of men.
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Pryor has so many things that he needs to work on. I seriously doubt that he’ll ever be an NFL QB. I just don’t think that he has it mentally. That and his accuracy and velocity are terrible
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Kell calling someone hateful? I agree Ian walks the line at times. But u throw the word racist like candy at Halloween. Which is shameful.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Ya KELL palmer is better pretty fcking obvious
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
No reason to badmouth Pryor…the kid’s got a good attitude, and the work ethic we dreamed of seeing in JaMarcus. If he doesn’t have the ability, we’ll see soon enough…but it won’t be from his lack of effort. For that alone, I am a Pryor fan.
But, I ain’t crowning him until he proves it.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
4k yards is a very weak argument
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You do realize it would take your boy Pryor two full years to get to 4000 yards based on what we have seen so far, right?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
TPryor may have leadership ability…but he still has the personality of a high schooler. When he matures, his game will also. Until he does, he cannot be a great leader of men.
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I wonder what that’s based on?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Al davis drafted Pryor as a project qb who could be shifted to wr if he didn’t work out. Pretty simple.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Kaepernick was the best QB in the WAC for pretty much the entire time he was at Nevada.
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Is that a major conference?
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It’s a mid-major but that is beyond the point as not all of the great QBs come from big schools or conferences. McNair came from Alcorn State. Warsner went to Northern Iowa.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Funny how two people — KK and FakeKell — have ruined that handle.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Oh sh1t. If russel had pryor’s work ethic, he would have been amazing. But the world is full of guys who didn’t have the complete package. Ask the cardinals. They have started like 6 guys since Warner retired. And they have all sucked. Nfl qb’s are hard to find. Palmer is an nfl’s qb.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Kell calling someone hateful? I agree Ian walks the line at times. But u throw the word racist like candy at Halloween. Which is shameful.
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I guess you two are the same, since you speak for him.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
I wish more people would take that approach in here HAYES they act like he can do no wrong
January 29th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Pryor will only get reps in camp and pre season with the 2’s against the 2’s….
WRITE THAT DOWN!
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And the excuses will poor in here about how Pryor isn’t getting a fair chance because he’s not getting reps with the starters. The coaches are holding him back. This despite it being the same hand that every other backup candidate in the league gets dealt and has to play through.
WRITE THAT DOWN NEXT TO THE ABOVE!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
PRYOR is lucky he played in the big ten if he would have played in the SEC he would have been undrafted
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Guess what? If your grandmother had nuts, he’d be your grandfather. Voila!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
KELL what r u even doing up at this time it’s way past ur bed time old man
January 29th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
Toilet Paper 6-pack is a wr playing qb.
I just wanted to type my nickname for him. I’m trying to see if it will stick.
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You might be selling WRs short. He has the physical attributes of a dominant WR but we have no clue if he has the head to read the routes, the savvy to sell defenders on misdirection, or the intuition to find the weak seams in zones as they develop. That, and he has to show that he can make tough catches in traffic.
Other than that, piece of cake.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
KELL is just upset that his hero PRYOR will never be a NFL QB sorry old fart get over it the kid sucks at passing
January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
No reason to badmouth Pryor…
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Actually, there are a lot of reasons to bad mouth Pryor. He could not even complete 50% of his passes, he threw for about 3 yards an attempt, he lost the game, and let’s not forget there is an undefeated OSU team that didn’t play in the National Championship because of Pryor. Now what is done is done, but I am not seeing a lot of reasons to lionize the guy.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
Kappy didn’t have the skill set until he believed. Now when he makes a great run, or scores a td, he kisses his bicep, where he has the tattoo I BELIEVE.
You might not believe in this, but anyone who plays the game knows 90% is between the ears. We all have arms and legs. It’s what we do with that 10% up top that makes the difference.
Like Kappy, I believe…period.
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Which is exactly why Pryor is doomed as a QB. Phyiscally, similar to Kaep. Mentally: Kaep had a 35 Wonderlic, amongst the upper 20% of starting QBs. Pryor, scored a 7, amongst the lower 20% of sanitation engineers.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
KELL is just upset that his hero PRYOR will never be a NFL QB sorry old fart get over it the kid sucks at passing
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Well, we’ll see dumbbell, that’s all I’m saying.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
I’m not as down on Pryor’s passing as alot of u guys are.
I guess where i’m at is I wanna see more before i’m convinced that there’s no hope as far as him tossing the ball.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
KELL don’t forget to use ur oxygen tank old fck
January 29th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Other small school or lesser conference QBs….
Flacco out of Delaware
Romo- Eastern Illinois
Favre- Southern Miss
Rivers- NC State
Terry Bradshaw- LA Tech
Marino- Pitt
Steve Young- BYU
Brees and Griese- Purdue
January 29th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
No reason to badmouth Pryor…
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Actually, there are a lot of reasons to bad mouth Pryor. He could not even complete 50% of his passes, he threw for about 3 yards an attempt, he lost the game, and let’s not forget there is an undefeated OSU team that didn’t play in the National Championship because of Pryor. Now what is done is done, but I am not seeing a lot of reasons to lionize the guy.
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AFTER Ohio State. What he did before the Raiders means NADA.
But, citing actual stats or providing performance-based critique are NOT badmouthing Pryor, or anyone else. Either the kid’s got it, will get it, or he won’t.
But the name-calling junior high school stuff shouldn’t apply just because he’s not good enough. Especially since we really only know he’s not good enough, YET. As long as the effort’s put in, I’m in his corner. I’m in the RAIDERS corner.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
KELL don’t forget to use ur oxygen tank old fck
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Okaaaaaaay.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Gannon also wen’t to delaware
January 29th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Just checking in.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
ROETHLISBER miami of ohio
January 29th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
KELL is just upset that his hero PRYOR will never be a NFL QB sorry old fart get over it the kid sucks at passing
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Technically, he sucks at quarterbacking. His passes look horrible because the game is too fast for him to process, so he puts himself in poor positions to make the throws that he is phyiscally capable of. That’s why he can look like he has an NFL arm in drills but like he has the arm of a below average girl scout when everything around him moves at game speed.
To throw with your body using good mechanics, you have to know where the ball is going before you start moving your arm forward. That means getting your feet set, your hips swiveling, and your arm moving last. To have that sort of time you have to be able to diagnose the play as it is unfolding and anticipate the place where the receiver will need to get the ball. Half of that happens with the best QBs before the snap as they adjust to the most likely scenarios and have a series of what ifs in their heads to progress through quickly.
Pryor looks like he drops back, looks at one option, and if it’s not there he starts looking for where the pass rush is and goes into scramble mode. At that point he’s lost track of the play and is just going school yard. That’s why he has nothing on his throws because he’s moving too soon and too much and not letting the plays develop, which is all related to not being able to process how they’ll unfold seconds ahead.
Watch a good pocket passer like Palmer and you’ll see a world of difference. They stay home, continue to analyze the unfolding play, and will take the hit in order to make the play. That’s based on the analysis in their heads that tells them that the play will open up at a certain point. Those that scramble too soon lose all of those opportunities. They may create an occassional playground highlight when the extra time breaks down the defense or they scramble for some yards, but more times than not what they are passing up is a greater opportunity.
The uneducated football fan only sees the highlights and thinks wow, blinding themselves to the many more failed plays. The educated will watch what looks like a mundane play where the QB stays home, finds his third option and picks up another reliable chunk of yards to keep the chains moving. Do that enough times, and suddenly you’ve thrown for over 4K yards in 14 games.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
If tp was so bad he’d be competing for the back up qb spot. the only reason to constantly harp on this guy and hate on him is because you’re trolling for a response.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:48 pm
That is the biggest knock I have on Pryor. The lack of QB smarts. Ryan Leaf was in the conversation for being the #1 overall pick with Peyton Manning. Physically, he was one the best QBs to come out of college in a long time. He just didn’t have the maturity and the mental grasp of being a QB in the NFL. That is what I see in Pryor, but he is a little more mature than Leaf was…..
January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
AFTER Ohio State. What he did before the Raiders means NADA.
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Remember. He KNEW what he was doing was wrong. He was FULLY cognizant of that fact. And not only did he do it, he took an entire program with him. So, you want to flip him the keys to a BILLION dollar franchise? What if he gets caught point shaving? He could take down an entire LEAGUE!! Have I forgiven him? Sure. Have I forgotten? Uh, hell no. And frankly his performance does not really warrant another look.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
KoolKell, Univ of Wash.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
QB is not our NEED position guys!! The fact that we are arguing about it is a great thing!! ALOT of teams wish they had TWO options at QB..
Our NEED position is WR!!!!!! Just think how good Palmer would have looked this year if he had a Fitz, Johnson, Bowe, or Green to throw to.. WE NEED A BONIFIDE #1 WR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Marks hair Says:
If tp was so bad he’d be competing for the back up qb spot
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He is, isn’t he?
January 29th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Let’s try and keep it fair. Imo Pryor SHOULD have been 17-28 for 200 yd’s passing and 2 td’s cuz I saw 4 very catchable balls dropped in that game.. and 49 rushing.
To me that does not seem to be a stat line of a hapless qb with no passing ability in his 1st ever start. It just doesn’t.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Here is hoping Reggie trades back a few spots and uses our #1 pick on a FUKIN WideReciever!!!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
he’s competing for the starting spot. he will obviously lose but the reason he’s competing with Palmer and not with another backup is because Dennis Allen and Reggie McKenzie have liked what they saw.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
you guys crack me up! palmer is our QB no matter what. he is not getting beat out by tp.. no way!!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
ian85 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
KELL is just upset that his hero PRYOR will never be a NFL QB sorry old fart get over it the kid sucks at passing
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Technically, he sucks at quarterbacking. His passes look horrible because the game is too fast for him to process, so he puts himself in poor positions to make the throws that he is phyiscally capable of. That’s why he can look like he has an NFL arm in drills but like he has the arm of a below average girl scout when everything around him moves at game speed.
To throw with your body using good mechanics, you have to know where the ball is going before you start moving your arm forward. That means getting your feet set, your hips swiveling, and your arm moving last. To have that sort of time you have to be able to diagnose the play as it is unfolding and anticipate the place where the receiver will need to get the ball. Half of that happens with the best QBs before the snap as they adjust to the most likely scenarios and have a series of what ifs in their heads to progress through quickly.
Pryor looks like he drops back, looks at one option, and if it’s not there he starts looking for where the pass rush is and goes into scramble mode. At that point he’s lost track of the play and is just going school yard. That’s why he has nothing on his throws because he’s moving too soon and too much and not letting the plays develop, which is all related to not being able to process how they’ll unfold seconds ahead.
Watch a good pocket passer like Palmer and you’ll see a world of difference. They stay home, continue to analyze the unfolding play, and will take the hit in order to make the play. That’s based on the analysis in their heads that tells them that the play will open up at a certain point. Those that scramble too soon lose all of those opportunities. They may create an occassional playground highlight when the extra time breaks down the defense or they scramble for some yards, but more times than not what they are passing up is a greater opportunity.
The uneducated football fan only sees the highlights and thinks wow, blinding themselves to the many more failed plays. The educated will watch what looks like a mundane play where the QB stays home, finds his third option and picks up another reliable chunk of yards to keep the chains moving. Do that enough times, and suddenly you’ve thrown for over 4K yards in 14 games.
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That is EXACTLY what I saw in Pryor during his start. He was doing that way back at OSU. He’d go 1, 2, run… The only WRs I saw him hit were wide open. I never saw him make the tough throw. He relied on his arm strength to make plays. He doesn’t rely on the skill.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
give tp 2-3 more years of back-up duties and he might be a serviceable backup!!!!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
KoolKell, Univ of Wash.
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Nobody gives a chizz…..
January 29th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
463. What guys? Ive only seen 1.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Fear not. We will create an emoticon for pootbut.
In honor of KK.
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Scourge Says:
No one is more deserving!
January 29th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
“QB is not our NEED position guys!! The fact that we are arguing about it is a great thing!! ALOT of teams wish they had TWO options at QB.”
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If Pryor’s our only 2nd option, we’re not set at QB.
There are QB’s coming out of college this year who are better-prepared mechanically than Pryor is, two years of pro Coaching later. If competition for Palmer is needed…then competition for Pryor is needed. Leinart’s a load of nothing.
January 29th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
J-Raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
QB is not our NEED position guys!! The fact that we are arguing about it is a great thing!! ALOT of teams wish they had TWO options at QB..
Our NEED position is WR!!!!!! Just think how good Palmer would have looked this year if he had a Fitz, Johnson, Bowe, or Green to throw to.. WE NEED A BONIFIDE #1 WR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I agree that we need a #1 WR. I personally want to sign Greg Jennings in FA. The last thing we need to do is draft yet another WR.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Gnite Gents.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
“QB is not our NEED position guys!! The fact that we are arguing about it is a great thing!! ALOT of teams wish they had TWO options at QB.”
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If Pryor’s our only 2nd option, we’re not set at QB.
There are QB’s coming out of college this year who are better-prepared mechanically than Pryor is, two years of pro Coaching later. If competition for Palmer is needed…then competition for Pryor is needed. Leinart’s a load of nothing.
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I’d really like to trade for Kirk Cousins from the Redskins. I think he’d be a much better QB than Pryor would. Also, he can sit while Palmer starts. He could actually be a legit starting QB once we no longer have Palmer.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Too bad ego drives the QB argument in this blog.
Next season:
The Palmer haters will root against him, they’re well known and won’t hide it, just hoping TP comes in.
Then the TP haters, (secretly, because a fan would never do such a thing, right?) will root against the kid if he gets into action, just hoping he screws up.
All so they can say “I knew it, I told you so”.
If you aske me, it’s real simple…
Carson Palmer was put in very difficult spot by the ineptitude of the new Coaching Staff last year, next season we are supposedly going back to an Offense better suited for his and his teammates skills, I think he’s gonna have a good year.
TP getting the # 2 job is the next step in his development, he’s gonna have more to handle and will finally get back-up reps.
He was drafted as a project and so far the timeline is right, his rookie season was a wash with the 5 game suspension and a year out of football, his 2nd season he got more involved and even started a game, now in his 3rd season he should become the # 2, we’ll see how far can he take it from there.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
Funny how two people — KK and FakeKell — have ruined that handle.
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FakeKell hasn’t posted in over a week, maybe two. He posted his adios, said he was tired of trying to dumbdown, as he put it, to sound like KK. That people immediately knew it wasn’t him cuz he made sense, lol.
Not my words, his.
Anything you see now, is the original KK.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Let’s try and keep it fair. Imo Pryor SHOULD have been 17-28 for 200 yd’s passing and 2 td’s cuz I saw 4 very catchable balls dropped in that game.. and 49 rushing.
To me that does not seem to be a stat line of a hapless qb with no passing ability in his 1st ever start. It just doesn’t.
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If you want to use that definition of fair, he was one got-away-with-it offensive interference push off from DHB from being 16-28 with 1 TD and 2 INTs.
You can’t have it both ways, blaming WRs for not making all the plays but then not giving them credit for making great plays to salvage bad throws.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Marley — I’m not a TP hater, I’m a Raiders fan. For that reason, I don’t like seeing them make bad mistakes or investing roster spots and training camp on lost causes. I root against him having more marginal success (ala Tebow) that just drags out the inevitible by having people think they can just develop him a little more.
As a fan that truly believes his skill limitations will doom his chances to be a legit starter, I want to see the team call the experiment over and bring in someone to camp that has a better chance to develop. If they can get some scrap heap level draft picks in trade for him to move the unrealizable dream to another hapless team, then I want that to happen too.
Is that hating or just being pragmatic?
January 29th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Bob Marley Says:
Carson Palmer was put in very difficult spot by the ineptitude of the new Coaching Staff last year, next season we are supposedly going back to an Offense better suited for his and his teammates skills, I think he’s gonna have a good year.
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Thought that last year. I got Knapped.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
475,
Good points. I’m more down on our receivers than some.
Somebody posted the stat…not sure how accurate, that Palmer had over a dozen potential td passes dropped this last season. I vividly recall more than a few.
The advanced stat data that supposedly takes into account every facet of the receiver’s game (outside of blocking) ranks NO Raider WR in the top 50 in the league.
That has got to be fixed imo. Jennings? Not counting on that happening.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Zymurge.
“Marley — I’m not a TP hater, I’m a Raiders fan. For that reason, I don’t like seeing them make bad mistakes or investing roster spots and training camp on lost causes. I root against him having more marginal success (ala Tebow) that just drags out the inevitible by having people think they can just develop him a little more.
As a fan that truly believes his skill limitations will doom his chances to be a legit starter, I want to see the team call the experiment over and bring in someone to camp that has a better chance to develop. If they can get some scrap heap level draft picks in trade for him to move the unrealizable dream to another hapless team, then I want that to happen too.
Is that hating or just being pragmatic?.”
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I guess Reggie holds the answer to your question,he holds the Raiders and TP’s future in his hands, I’m certain nobody is more interested in the good of the team than him, his job depends on it.
He may decide to “waste” a roster spot again on him next year or trade him or just cut him, we’ll see.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Priest if after starting as a QB for Ohio St a national powerhouse program, best team in the big ten, and two years in the NFL, he is only now learning what Cousins learned in highschool, no way Raiders need him to be our starting QB.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
It’s January guys we have a long way to go. This will all play out in the coming months, I just want an open competition and the rest will take care of itself.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Priest if after starting as a QB for Ohio St a national powerhouse program, best team in the big ten, and two years in the NFL, he is only now learning what Cousins learned in highschool, no way Raiders need him to be our starting QB.
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Was he able to win games or not?
January 29th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
I’m not sure exactly how good TP will be but I was pissed when our Coach DA did not have the gonads to start him against Carolina when Palmer went down. Dennis Allen GAINED NOTHING by putting Lienart in there. Would have been the perfect situation to try out TP. If he sucks than that’s your excuse, if he does good than you are developing talent.
This is what ticks me off about DA comparing him to coaches like the Harbaughs
January 29th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
It’s hard to explain to someone what I mean when watching Pryor what I saw. He was very raw he is NOT that raw anymore he is much more advanced than he was when we GOT him. I was talking in terms of mechanics but once he he is natural in his mechanics the playing field will be level. That was 3 years ago when Pryor was lightyears behind many starters but he still beat their teams.
So my point is as he develops to their level what will he be at that time. That time is say maybe 1 year 2 years at the most away. that leaves his entire career to play at a very high level. Hopefully that helps.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Hey Priest,
Do you think TP can win-out over Palmer in the offseason?
He definitely has the speed to add another dimension to our lackluster offense.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
I watch Kappy now and he is worlds better than he was 2 years ago when they drafted him the same thing with most every QB who develops they get much better. Pryor will be no different.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
A lot of people debate and complain about Palmer vs TP; but as a RAIDER fan, I’m glad to have two intriguing Quarterbacks on the roster. And if CP goes down we got a speedster that defenses will have to press to adjust to.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Talk, I really think it is a distinct possibility. What people just don’t get Pryor’s talent is enormous but his skillset was lacking that is just getting coached properly and that has been getting done by his teammate. Understanding HOW to watch film what to look for at a defense. his mechanics have already improved by leaps and bounds he just needs to become NATURAL at doing them. That is just a matter of reps once he does that the sky is the limit.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
How do you compare TP to Geno coming out. I heard that Geno does not have the speed that TP does?
January 29th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
DA made a lot of rookie mistakes that he cannot afford to make anymore and keep his job. Thus the change in stance concerning Pryor.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
Show me a quote that says Pryor is competing for a starting spot. It doesn’t exist.
But we have all made out opinions know. It’s boring now.
If the kid shocks the world, fantastic. I hope he does. I don’t think it will happen but I’m not against him.
Truth is the Missdick has created a lot of this negativity. That’s what bigots and liars do. He bashes our qb and lies about him. And that pizzes people off.
But most of us world love it if the kid did it.
We will see how it all plays out.
January 29th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Yeah DA gained nothing by throwing out Lienart during the Carolina game. Maybe he wanted to give TP more time to get ready and play some hide-the-ball not letting opponents know who was starting etc.?
January 29th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
I thought it spoke very highly of Pryor when he was so effusive about his admiration for Palmer. The two of them certainly aren’t at each others throats. Too bad missdick has created just divisiveness here.
I won’t be involved anymore. I wish Pryor luck. Hope he surprises me. And I’m glad we have a good vet qb like Palmer.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:05 am
I don’t have a link but I heard DA speak on Sirius radio and say pryor was competing for a starting spot, but that obviously CP3 was the #1qb going into camp. Da said TP earned it and he pointed to San Francisco as an example of why we should take a good look at such a talented quarterback.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:11 am
Of course there’s no link to a quote.
There have been a lot of things supposedly said. But if u look at the quotes, those things don’t exist.
He certainly will be looked at. I can’t see any serious football person thinking Pryor stands any chance of unseating Palmer. Not based on any reasonable criteria.
The nfl is not a goofy message board.
But good luck to him. He’s a good kid.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:11 am
It’s entertaining watching dual personnas play Q&A with each other.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:23 am
495. I heard him with my own ears.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:28 am
I don’t know if there’s a transcript or a digital record of the interview but DA was interviewed on Sirius radio friday morning I think around 930 a.m. Pacific time.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:32 am
U heard what? I have maintained that I like Pryor as a kid and an athlete. Just not as a passer. I feel his passing will never get where it needs to be. But if he shocks me, awesome. I have continued to say that Palmer is a good qb.
Nothing has changed. But missdick is such a dick, that he tends to turn people against each other. Since our views are all well known, it seems pointless to talk about it anymore. And frankly, missdick isn’t worth the time.
I’m simply choosing to stop taking part in what gets painted as an anti-Pryor campaign. I’m a raider fan. I’m rooting for my team.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:33 am
and there were some of the guys in that locker room _ some of the key guys in that locker room _ that weren’t leaders.
Can i get a witness?
Kelly..Seymour…Palmer…CC…#55…Huff…Barnes…DMC?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:36 am
Well a lot of people think they heard Reggie day there’s an open competition. He didn’t. I’m assuming u heard something along the lines of “we’re gonna give him a chance to compete. We need to see if he can help us.” That’s not saying he’s competing for a starting position. Allen HAS been quoted as saying Palmer is the qb next year and they are happy moving forward with him as a starter. Until u hear him or see a quote in a legit need source, I’ll continue to believe that all the coaching hires and interviews with Reggie, Allen, and Olson, have confirmed that Palmer is the guy and they will give Pryor an opportunity to show what he can do, and try to figure out how they can use him.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 am
Looks like Jennings is moving out of the frozen tundra:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/29/greg-jennings-puts-wisconsin-home-on-the-market/
Someone get Kell on the line! The man needs a 5 bathroom house in Piedmont, stat!
January 30th, 2013 at 1:18 am
Personally I just hope Reggie takes the right QB in 2014 (2015 if he decides to waste a pick on Geno or the field this year and gives them a year or two to prove their value or lack there of needlessly extending an already way too long parenthetical) so the Raider games can once again be watchable without some form of self medication being necessary (pointless second parenthetical just so I can type “parenthetical” again while extending a sentence that could have easily been broken into several smaller more concise sentences).
January 30th, 2013 at 1:50 am
CP does not fight to protect the football and he will choke in red-zone any decent DC`s dream …while #6 is a DC`s nightmare a play-maker that wiil protect the football and scores TD`s,i concur after so many losing seasons most of the Nation are stuck in a bad place and pin their hopes on broken players,like a used car salesmen they are afraid to use the new models. the way forward is Pryor to greet the culture change in the NFL we need to not miss the boat…chargers keyed his feet and he proved in poor conditions what he is capable of
January 30th, 2013 at 2:41 am
“S.W.A.T.S., which is based in Birmingham, Ala., was involved in previous NFL-related controversies. Ex-Oakland Raiders head coach Hue Jackson was ordered to cut his ties with S.W.A.T.S. in 2010 after a video testimonial of him espousing the company’s virtues was posted online. The league prohibits all coaches from affiliations with supplement companies.
SI.com reported that Jackson supplied Ravens players with S.W.A.T.S. products when he joined the team’s coaching staff in 2008.” –Fox Sports.
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The NFL bans this substance but they don’t test for it?!
Lewis is denying this charge by Sports Illustrated which is on ESPN, Fox Sports, and everywhere now but what gets me is Hue’s involvement with this company which supplies a substance banned by the NFL.
Jerry is giving us a lovely story illustrating how Johnson loves Hue but the rest of the sports world is talking about this?!
What the hell Jerry?!
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 am
Oh, people are finally mentioning Ray Lewis’ 3 week recovery from a previously season ending injury?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:47 am
What’s up Rockstar? How’s the family?
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we’re doing great, Hwnrdr
thanks for asking!
my wife is now 3 months pregnant and I start a new job on 02/18.
I’m gonna wait and tell my current employer on 02/15 , lol
January 30th, 2013 at 3:49 am
CP3 costs $7.7 million to cut or trade and $16.85 million to keep this year
Remember last year Reggie paid Seymour $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave (huge mistake)
hopefully BigMac has learned his lesson and doesn’t become a repeat offender
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Gdog,
yes – I did make this comparison
January 30th, 2013 at 4:14 am
there were some of the guys in that locker room _ some of the key guys in that locker room _ that weren’t leaders.
– “I’d put it like this, if you put Ray Lewis in the Oakland locker room, probably a good 20 people wouldn’t be on that team, because pf the way Ray runs his ship, and manning up the guys. In Oakland the guys weren’t like that I mean, I’m not going to call no names, but the high guys you’re supposed to put the position on, they weren’t leaders, you talk a good game but they weren’t playing a good game. Ray does that. That was more of the thing that was wrong with Oakland, they were getting guys that didn’t love the game.”
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I wonder if he’s talking about Wimbley & Routt?
Seymour, Kelly, Huff & Branch perhaps?
McClain is an obvious turd, but CJ37 says 20 players!
the players loved Hue, but they obviously didn’t respect him or do what he said. we set a record for penalties and I remember my boy Bcz24 said “what do you want him to you, yell louder?”
January 30th, 2013 at 4:18 am
why did Reggie say he was going to “gut this place” ??
because that is what was needed!
in his first year, scouts & coaches gone. half the old roster gone.
expect more gutting. Reggie is sharpening knives as we speak
I’m sure BigMac realizes his mistake now with Seymour, McClain & Branch. They are part of the problem, not the solution
January 30th, 2013 at 4:23 am
Hue was the best coach I had since I was out there. I mean, we went 8-8, we was a good, solid team, you could see the identity of the team
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sounds like “we’re not losers anymore” , basically.
good solid teams with an identity make the playoffs, no?
CJ37 (2007-2011) likes Hue Jax better than Kiffin or Cable?
shocker!
January 30th, 2013 at 5:13 am
Reggie sure does know guts.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:21 am
Priesttj12 Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
When Plunkett came here he was whipped, and done. SF spit him out, and he was dejected. I took him out to A&W for a rootbeer float, and we talked about what you can’t measure. Talked about eye of the tiger. Actually had him do the chase the chicken drill to get his feet is tune with his mind, and the rest is history.
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hahahahahaha bhp was rolling last night, that’s just one of many
January 30th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Sounds like CJ37 was talking a shot directly at Seymour and the QB’s.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:34 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21622381/report-ray-lewis-denies-si-allegation-on-ped-use
good short story from last night
January 30th, 2013 at 5:39 am
I want to like and trust Ray for his faith and passion however it seems he has a problem telling the truth sometimes.
That’s normal and everyone falls short of being perfect. The problem is now people can point and say what a hypocrite.
Its the big reason AA went anonymous, not so much to protect each others identities but because famous people would get “cured” and announce it to the world, only to fall off the wagon the next day.
The day Tebow fails will be,, hmm how would you describe it?
January 30th, 2013 at 5:45 am
I don’t like either team in the sb and have been weighing pros and cons of which team to root for and the list is long but one thing over rides everything else
Yeaterday moss made it easy by reminding me of what an egotistical arse Moss is. That peckerhead does not deserve a SB ring. So I will be rooting hard for the niners to lose.
I like kappy though. He sure seems to handle this well for how young he is and everything on his shoulders.
The Ravens will have a nice plan and I think CK will have a bad day
January 30th, 2013 at 5:48 am
I had never heard of this stuff but all the radio/micro/cell/ and other crap in the air cant be to good for you.
Key began by telling the players that there would be thousands of cellphones in the Superdome the following night and that frequencies from those phones would be swirling through their bodies. “They’re going to affect you guys very negatively,” Key said rapidly and with a twang. “We figured out a way to manipulate that so that you aren’t affected . . . [to] give you strength, give you balance, give you flexibility and help with pain.”
Key asked 6′6″, 304-pound defensive end Quinton Dial to hold one arm out to his side and to keep the arm up when Key tried to push it down. Dial, who towered over the 5′8″ Key, did so easily. “Now I’m going to do nothing different,” Key told the players. “But I’m going to take two fingers, and I’m going to take his cellphone, and I’m going to just put it up against [Dial's] chest.” He turned back to Dial. “Take a deep breath, man up to me, O.K.? . . . Two fingers, everything you got on three, O.K.? One, two. . . .”
This time, while holding the phone to Dial’s chest, Key easily forced the player’s arm down to his side. Dial smirked, bemused. “What happened,” Key said, “was the frequencies from the phone, as soon as they came into your energy field, they zapped ya, like a Taser.”
And then Key passed out his remedy for the frequencies: stickers, which he calls chips, bearing holograms of a pyramid. Key told the players that on game day they should place the chips on three acupuncture points — one on the inside of each wrist before they tape their arms (the chips also come embedded in bracelets), and one over the heart. “It’s going to help your heart have so much more energy,” he said. “Come the fourth quarter, you guys will not be gassed at all.”
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130129/the-strange-lab-that-lured-numerous-athletes/#ixzz2JSys4EAI
January 30th, 2013 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Good Luck, CJ!
January 30th, 2013 at 5:56 am
Ross is quick to tell visitors that his spray is no different from that sold by other supplement purveyors and that the hologram chips “are just stickers” — that is, until the spray and the chips are “programmed” with both S.W.A.T.S.’s “performance” light beam and with radio waves emitted by the Christmas ornaments, which are actually radio frequency transmitters.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:57 am
Morning back at you
January 30th, 2013 at 6:03 am
Page 2 of that story has the Hue stuff in it and theres lots of “stuff with Hue”
January 30th, 2013 at 6:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:47 am
What’s up Rockstar? How’s the family?
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we’re doing great, Hwnrdr
thanks for asking!
my wife is now 3 months pregnant and I start a new job on 02/18.
I’m gonna wait and tell my current employer on 02/15 , lol
Congratulations Rockstar!
January 30th, 2013 at 6:07 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:39 am
I want to like and trust Ray for his faith and passion however it seems he has a problem telling the truth sometimes.
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Like where he put the white jacket?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Pyror is better than Palmer.
Reece is better than McFadden.
This is the dumbest team in football.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:40 am
Very interesting comments from Johnson on the state of the locker room.
There should be no more negative comments about the GM and HC changing the “culture” of this locker room by getting rid of players.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:40 am
Im just asking Whats Palmers overall record with the Raiders? Who’s job is to protect the ball? Stats this season were bloated due to losses! Where are the TD’s that go with a great QB? where is the Payton type qualities that have been exibited by this supposed to be Franchize QB? isn’t he Supposed to be able to audival and read D’s by now? What is this love fest about anyway? Who thought he was good at Cincy? he is a journeyman at this point! Not even a contender! answer these questions Palmer lovers and you will answer yourself! Listen to yourself after you answer this since no one else can get it in your head as Gannon said he wouldn’t end the year as QB! Did he?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:51 am
Never wanted Palmer but he is here so I will support him as our QB. If he gets released or traded, no love loss…
January 30th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Sorry dr. You should have tuned in for the interview with da. I announced it like a hr early. Da said tp would indeed be given a chance to compete with carson for the starting qb spot. however, cp3 will be the #1 qb heading into camp .
January 30th, 2013 at 7:03 am
525.Kirk Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:30 am
Pyror is better than Palmer.
Reece is better than McFadden.
This is the dumbest team in football.
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LMAO….dumbest fans in America maybe.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:05 am
Saying Palmer doesn’t suck, and that he’s a good QB = You are a Palmer LOVER………
Duh da DUUUURRRR
January 30th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Dakota,
If the Lakers win out going into the All Star break, I MIGHT be sold.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:11 am
I keep hearing “start Pryor now kick Palmer to the street” on this board. That does not jive with what I hear the coaches or even Pryor himself saying.
I still maintain is what we should do with our new OL + OC and existing QB coaches is devise a scheme for the next year or so that gives Pryor a lot of looks. That way he can be properly mentored and develop his game while giving DCs headaches preparing for both Palmer and Pryor.
It is weird I like both QBs. I do not think either are elite right now but they are decent and not the problem on this team. Pryor is a legit #2 and needs to develop more. Palmer is producing in spite of the OL protection on the right side and lack of run game. All the crap I hear about 19 turn overs with what he was up against is just garbage. Many of those interceptions were off tips because guys were coming free on him and he was releasing the ball prematurly in order to not take a sack. When you have a bad run game and your screens are not working and your WRs drop balls and run routes short of the first down marker you really can not take sacks like Rodgers does. Our #1 WR last year DM also was the second most drop prone WR in the NFL. DHB regressed and had a lot of drops as well. Steeter was a nice surprise and a good WR but he can not carry the team. The TE became a safety blanket because he could find seams and would at least catch the ball even though he was a terrible run blocker. That TE is probably going to walk into FA. All the Pryor worshipers need to just stop because they have no cred when they bring this stuff up. I watched the games I know what I saw.
The right side of the OL, the situation with the DL or MLB or even WRs is mouch more dire right now than QB. Almost every other position group has a big hole in it. But wait can we talk about Pryor vs. Palmer one more time?
January 30th, 2013 at 7:18 am
To those that keep touting Palmer’s record. What was Cam Newton’s record in 2011? For Carolina the defense let them down. Following the logic on this board everyone would want Cam to be sent out of town on a rail.
It cracks me up I remember watching Vince Young years ago. The guy sucks even when he was winning. You have an awesome running game a solid defense and great special teams and Tenn was winning but what do the commentators say – “Vince Young – he just wins.” QB is the most important position but if you have the #27 scoring defense and one of the worst running games in the NFL together with bad special team play except for the Kicker. You are not going to win your share of games.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:18 am
And the whole point of the matter is…Reggie said it himself. Would he have made that trade when JC went down, yes! Would I have given up that much, no! It is what it is! Palmer is the best option we have right now, whether you call that “worshipping” the guy or not, so be it!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:20 am
J Hill Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Dakota,
If the Lakers win out going into the All Star break, I MIGHT be sold.
If they do that, I’ll be sold as well!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Marks hair Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Sorry dr. You should have tuned in for the interview with da. I announced it like a hr early. Da said tp would indeed be given a chance to compete with carson for the starting qb spot. however, cp3 will be the #1 qb heading into camp .
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What all the TP worshipers forget to consider is there is probably going to be a 3rd QB in the mix. What if he turns out better than Pryor – then what? Open competition means no spot is safe including #2.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:21 am
I keep hearing “start Pryor now kick Palmer to the street” on this board.
All the crap I hear about 19 turn overs with what he was up against is just garbage.
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Because this stuff saturates this board by a handful of folks. Trust me, it’s not the “Popular” view, but it’s the one driven be a very passionate, and eccentric few.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:26 am
On the QB’s, I think it’s real simple…
Carson Palmer was put in very difficult spot by the ineptitude of the new Coaching Staff last year, he is under contract and next season we are supposedly going back to an Offense better suited for him and his teammates skills, I think he’s gonna have a good year.
T. Pryor getting the # 2 job would be the next step in his development, he should have a lot more to handle and get meaningful reps as the back-up, if he proves himself capable, he’ll get closer to the starting job.
Remember, he was drafted as a project and so far the timeline is right, his rookie season was a wash with the 5 game suspension and coming of year out of football, his 2nd season he got more involved in the end and even started a game, now in his 3rd season he should become the # 2 and we’ll see how far can he take it from there.
We should be rooting for both guys to do well instead of taking sides and making ridiculous claims about what they can or can’t do.
It’s too early to give up on Palmer and too early to tell on Pryor.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:26 am
Da never mentioned a 3 way competition for the starting quarterback job. he only talked about what TP has shown and earned.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:28 am
The lakers will be fine.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Great post Bob
January 30th, 2013 at 7:29 am
If we can trade any of these players for picks or other players i’m down.
-shaunnessy
-palmer
-mcfadden
-huff
-mcclain
-kelly
the other overpaid players have no value…clean house McKenzie!!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:30 am
#539 Really good post that is exactly where I am coming from except I am concerned about the overall talent drain on this team over the last two-three years but maybe you are too.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:32 am
543. Yup
January 30th, 2013 at 7:35 am
#543 Only Palmer and McFad have any trade value and even for them it may only be a 3-4th round pick with a sign and trade etc… That is how bad our talent is right now. I think Kelly was shopped last year and no offers came in. I do think all of these guys if cut could find other work on teams though except for maybe McClain.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Correction I did not see Huff – he could probably get a 4th. Would you really want to trade a 4th for a potential starting corner that already knows your defense? Glad Reggie is the GM not you.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:41 am
This is the best w’s team ive ever seen.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:44 am
When CJ was healthy, he was pretty good.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:53 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:44 am
When CJ was healthy, he was pretty good.
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The biggest thing that sticks out in my mind with C37 is 2 years ago against the Buffalo Bills he got torched what seemed like every play by Stevie Johnson.
Raiders were up 21-3 at half until Fitzpatrick realised CJ37 was the weak link.
I was in the front row, tough to watch.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Biggest thing that sticks out to me is him stepping in front of Brandon Lloyd in Denver for a pick 6, starting the 59-14 route. Try and have positive memories.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Funny how CJ “praises” Huebert then in the same interview says that 20 players shouldn’t even deserve to be playing.
Can have it both ways dude. Pick a side.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:53 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:44 am
When CJ was healthy, he was pretty good.
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The biggest thing that sticks out in my mind with C37 is 2 years ago against the Buffalo Bills he got torched what seemed like every play by Stevie Johnson.
Raiders were up 21-3 at half until Fitzpatrick realised CJ37 was the weak link.
I was in the front row, tough to watch.
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In fact if we would have won that game technically we would have been in the playoffs and we would still have Hue and…
Basically it all falls on CJ37’s shoulder-just kidding (mostly haha)
January 30th, 2013 at 7:58 am
Dump all those paycheck puzzys Big Reg, get some hitters and guys who love the game in! Hope CJ gets that ring! 2 Stud DEs and DT and we set on defense!
January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am
CJ37 really only played well the year he filled in for Me’Angelo Hall. Other than that less than impressed.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am
552.morilla Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Funny how CJ “praises” Huebert then in the same interview says that 20 players shouldn’t even deserve to be playing.
Can have it both ways dude. Pick a side.
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I don’t get how that’s contradicting?
January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Biggest thing that sticks out to me is him stepping in front of Brandon Lloyd in Denver for a pick 6, starting the 59-14 route. Try and have positive memories.
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Man what I wouldn’t do to see more games like that!
Didn’t the following week we put a good hurtin’ on Seattle?
January 30th, 2013 at 8:03 am
I think so, i also think it was the first 3 game win streak of the decade.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:04 am
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
KK, in terms of W-L sure, but in terms of his play? Not so much. His stats don’t tell the whole picture about his play at OSU.
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So, his W-L and stats don’t tell the story, but you do? Do I have that right?
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The year after Pryor left Ohio State was undefeated. What does that tell you?
January 30th, 2013 at 8:08 am
It’s too early to talk Pryor, I’m in a semi nostalgic mood. I remember being $h!t face drunk at the Jacoby Ford game vs the Chiefs, I hope he can make a come back. I’d like to see him and Moore as outside WR’s with DHB in the Slot.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Let’s sign Greg Oden to block FG’s lol
January 30th, 2013 at 8:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am
552.morilla Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Funny how CJ “praises” Huebert then in the same interview says that 20 players shouldn’t even deserve to be playing.
Can have it both ways dude. Pick a side.
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I don’t get how that’s contradicting?
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They lacked leadership and were “me” guys. So was the head coach.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:15 am
They lacked leadership and were “me” guys. So was the head coach.
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If Hue lacked leadership just curious on your thoughts of Dennis Allen’s “leadership”.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Hue takes crap for throwing the players under the bus, but this year all i heard is that the entire roster belongs under the bus, can’t have it both ways.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Hue may have been selfish and self serving but he was a hell of a lot more inspired than DA IMO.
Even’s if Hue’s motives were not always pure I feel he was still way more driven to be succesful than our current coach.
Bottom line is I just want the Raiders to win.
Remember when the Raiders were the best they were loaded with guys who had character flaws.
Just sayin.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Remember when the Raiders were the best they were loaded with guys who had character flaws.
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I liked those days. Hope we don’t go away from gambling on players and giving them second chances.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:26 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Remember when the Raiders were the best they were loaded with guys who had character flaws.
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I liked those days. Hope we don’t go away from gambling on players and giving them second chances.
Agreed!
January 30th, 2013 at 8:27 am
This regime is sitting players, cutting players and drafting different types of players. It’s very clear there is a difference in philosophy.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:28 am
morilla Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:00 am
552.morilla Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Funny how CJ “praises” Huebert then in the same interview says that 20 players shouldn’t even deserve to be playing.
Can have it both ways dude. Pick a side.
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I don’t get how that’s contradicting?
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They lacked leadership and were “me” guys. So was the head coach.
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No, after Gruden no Head Coach has had leadership, so it´s the whole organization.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:29 am
Hey I was the biggest Hue supporter there was. You can go back a check for yourselves. Dude turned into a douche knuckle.
That whole locker room needs to be pressure washed.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:39 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:08 am
It’s too early to talk Pryor, I’m in a semi nostalgic mood. I remember being $h!t face drunk at the Jacoby Ford game vs the Chiefs, I hope he can make a come back. I’d like to see him and Moore as outside WR’s with DHB in the Slot.
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High Five dude….I remember knocking my beer all over my cheese sticks during that game. I think my eyes were even welled up cause I was so amped up. We hadn’t seen that kind of BIG PLAY in years.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:46 am
No matter who the coach is the good teams need LEADERS on the roster itself. A HC can only do so much.
In CJ37’s comments he talks about Ray Lewis…not Harbaugh and there’s no doubt he’s referring to Seymour when he talks about guys who don’t walk the talk.
Seymour imo was a horrible example of a “leader” when he chooses to basically only practice when he feels like it, and then during the game not really do much.
McClain the “leader”? Please.
Someone needs to emerge in that locker room in 2013.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I missed the Kick return TD standing in the Beer line, Then when the crowd went wild on the KO fumble recovery, i just left.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:51 am
I think Al and Hue could’ve finally been a good combo. Hue just needed to be kept in check.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:02 am
How quickly folks forget that, not too long ago we were celebrating a “FIRST FU*KING DOWN”….and getting excited about COMPLETIONS…….
I mean really, what was Russell’s final year stats?
like 2700 yards, and 7 TD’s or something. After the first two 3 and out’s, the opposition would hit us for consecutive TD’s…..Down 14 points, 7 min in? Couldn’t 3 quarters of those games be considered “GARBAGE TIME”……
January 30th, 2013 at 9:17 am
CJs comments are a good read. He just reassured us of what we already knew: Al was always a players owner. Hue wanted to win. The locker room is filled with heartless players. My theory is that the players taking up most of the salary cap space should do the most to help the team win, on and off the field.
Who is taking up the Raiders cap space? Palmer, Seymore, Kelly, Branch? & the top draft picks.
The only one ever mentioned as a tutor, a guide off the field, etc is Palmer. The rest of them are living for the paycheck.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Regarding Jamarcus. Gotta laugh at the agent trying to create a market for Jamarcus after he called the Jets, and they said Jawho?
Jamarcus would be a good fit for the Biggest Looser TV show.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:23 am
515.Plunketthead Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:34 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/21622381/report-ray-lewis-denies-si-allegation-on-ped-use
good short story from last night
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Funny hot the accuser, the guy from SWATS comes out with this the week of Super Bowl.
Just wants attention and money.
What a joke!
Deer Antlers? Big deal…
January 30th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Hue Jackson OWNS> Dennis Allen!
January 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am
564.The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Hue takes crap for throwing the players under the bus, but this year all i heard is that the entire roster belongs under the bus, can’t have it both ways.
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Exactly!
January 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am
MACHO MAN no truer words were ever spoken Carson Palmer is a closest thing we’ve had to a quarterback since 2000 a quarterback is only as good as the players around him Al Davis always built the offense that’s the reason he never hired a defensive coach except for John Madden the Raiders now going into a different direction there to build a defense that will hold teams to 20 points or less their offense will be a run laden and a deep pass off play action if they can get a lead in the fourth quarter they will pound the rock like John Gruden did you watch this year’s draft it will be mostly defense in the top rounds we need pass rush. to stop Peyton Manning you have to win your division to get to the playoffs and at the end of the year the defense started coming around and by next year it will be a lot better just what this old man thinks
January 30th, 2013 at 9:34 am
JA MEATBALL finished he will never play in the NFL again
January 30th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Raiders are starting to reach out to season ticket holders for renewals. Man, I’m just having a hard Tim finding anything to get excited about next year.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:35 am
*time
January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am
If Mcfadden can go off like he did in 2010 and 2011 Carson Palmer will have a great year for us we can’t be throwing the ball 40 or 50 times a games that’s a recipe for disaster
January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Well, we know JaPorkchop has little interest in the game. He running out of funds? He finally get some pride and want to redeem himself? Hmmm…
January 30th, 2013 at 9:40 am
in jabustus’ defense he had krapp as oc…perfect storm.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:43 am
59-14…when we used to have athletes…
January 30th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Hopefully Olsen can get creative for us on offense and actually use our players strengths to there advantages but i highly doubt it
January 30th, 2013 at 9:57 am
576.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:17 am
CJs comments are a good read. He just reassured us of what we already knew: Al was always a players owner. Hue wanted to win. The locker room is filled with heartless players. My theory is that the players taking up most of the salary cap space should do the most to help the team win, on and off the field.
Who is taking up the Raiders cap space? Palmer, Seymore, Kelly, Branch? & the top draft picks.
The only one ever mentioned as a tutor, a guide off the field, etc is Palmer. The rest of them are living for the paycheck.
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Totally agree Macho, Palmer was a team player last season and kept his cool when having to deal with Knapp. You could see the frustration on his face. How many times did Palmer put the ball where our receivers could have caught the pass and it bounced off their hands? I agree we need to restructure Carson’s contract but I don’t get all the hate towards the guy.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Al was a great owner because he was willing to spend $ on the team. But he wasn’t cutting it as a GM anymore. Cable was a good HC because he had the teams respect, focused on making them better, ignored distractions and truely wanted to make the Raiders better. Hue was a great offensive play caller, just needed to be kept in check at OC. Rob Ryan i believe is a good DC, just not great. Best senario we could’ve had is:
Al – Owner
Reggie – GM
Cable – HC
Hue – OC
Ryan – DC
But all have to be strictly focused on their title and not allowed to meddle in any other capacity. Al signs checks, Reggie signing players, Hue and Ryan free to call plays and Cable keeping them in check and focusing on fundamentals.
But all that is done. We can only hope now Mark is a willing spender, Reggie can spot talent and the staff can get the most out of them.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:01 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:18 am
To those that keep touting Palmer’s record. What was Cam Newton’s record in 2011? For Carolina the defense let them down. Following the logic on this board everyone would want Cam to be sent out of town on a rail.
It cracks me up I remember watching Vince Young years ago. The guy sucks even when he was winning. You have an awesome running game a solid defense and great special teams and Tenn was winning but what do the commentators say – “Vince Young – he just wins.” QB is the most important position but if you have the #27 scoring defense and one of the worst running games in the NFL together with bad special team play except for the Kicker. You are not going to win your share of games.
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JaMarcus agrees with you.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:04 am
559.Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:04 am
KoolKell Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
KK, in terms of W-L sure, but in terms of his play? Not so much. His stats don’t tell the whole picture about his play at OSU.
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So, his W-L and stats don’t tell the story, but you do? Do I have that right?
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The year after Pryor left Ohio State was undefeated. What does that tell you?
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Ohio State is one of the winningest programs in college football history. Pryor winning there is not evidence of his ability to be an NFL quarterback. They win 10 games a year, virtually every year, no matter who their QB is. Go ahead and name a top-level NFL quarterback from there. I’ll wait.
The most famous quarterback to come out of that university is Kirk Herbstreit, and he’s not famous because he can play the position.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:09 am
shrek isnt looking for those types of players….he is trying to find “hard workers” or as other teams call them…”practice squad players.”
January 30th, 2013 at 10:13 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:25 am
564.The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Hue takes crap for throwing the players under the bus, but this year all i heard is that the entire roster belongs under the bus, can’t have it both ways.
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Exactly!
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I’m sorry but that Defense deserved to be under the bust I mean Hue watch that Dee give away to games when it matter the most and he just spoke what he was feeling and if your a man who was raised right you kno you must be held accountable but that’s the double standard when you are dealing with the media. Coaches coach their players to be accountable but they shouldn’t say it when a mics in their face!!!
ComOnSon!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:14 am
EdTeach,
Are you forgetting about Craig Krenzel?
C’mon man.
(jk)
January 30th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Dick Seymour is such a slug.
Can you believe that for Him, Carson and Aaron Curry, we gave up Two 1′, a 2nd, a 5th and a 7th?
Then compounded the issue by immediately giving all 3 a pay raise?
Who the F is running this operation?
January 30th, 2013 at 10:20 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:18 am
To those that keep touting Palmer’s record. What was Cam Newton’s record in 2011? For Carolina the defense let them down. Following the logic on this board everyone would want Cam to be sent out of town on a rail.
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For the love of god please stop making this ridiculous comparison, it is baseless and asinine.
newton has played for 2 years]
in his 2 years he has crushed the nfl record book accounted for 62 tds.
Cam newton has IMPROVED THE PANTHERS WIN TOTAL EACH OF HIS FIRST TWO SEASONS.
Nobody in the state of north carolina want to get rid of cam he is making the team netter and they are growing in the right direction.
Palmer 10 plus year vet, should not be compared with a second year qb, HE SHOULD BE FAR BETTER BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERIENCE AND SO CALLED( mainly rumored) TALENT.
Palmer has seen his team get worse. he took over the FIRST PLACE raiders and led them smooth out of the play offs. The next year he went 4-12
THE RAIDERS ARE GETTING WORSE UNDER PALMER, THE PANTHERS ARE GETTING BETTER UNDER CAM.
Come on bra
January 30th, 2013 at 10:22 am
ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 am
If Mcfadden can go off like he did in 2010 and 2011 Carson Palmer will have a great year for us we can’t be throwing the ball 40 or 50 times a games that’s a recipe for disaster
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Truth.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Hue is like the hot stripper with 3 kids.
Great fun for a weekend, or even maybe a month, but you don’t let her move-in with you.
There is a reason he has bounced around the league like……..well a stripper.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:23 am
You’ll see how great Seymour is at this point in his career when all the offers start flooding in from teams needing a true “leader” on their team on and off the field, after he goes away from Oakland.
With his contract is it just a matter now of not re-signing him or will he be foramlly released?
Anybody know?
January 30th, 2013 at 10:24 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Dick Seymour is such a slug.
Can you believe that for Him, Carson and Aaron Curry, we gave up Two 1′, a 2nd, a 5th and a 7th?
Then compounded the issue by immediately giving all 3 a pay raise?
Who the F is running this operation?
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Also truth.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:25 am
I think T. Pryor can be a poor man Colin Kapernick, Russell Wilson or RGIII with some good coaching. They need to get him a good quarterback coach to work on his throwing mechanics and I think he would surprise a whole lot of people.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am
In my opinion the number one goal in the draft for our raiders is to find 2 play makers for the defense. I would prefer that those two guys are on different levels of the defense, a pass rusher, and a db/safety
I think to be great you need a play maker highlight guy on all 3 levels of the defense, but you can be good enough to win it all with two. This can also be done when those players play on the same level of the defense as well.
Get 2 play makers and the defense will be good enough to keep you in games. this with pryor and the pistol would make us instantly playoff ready.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Carson Palmer
Career Record as Starting QB: 54 Wins – 67 Losses
If Palmer was the Whiners starting QB they’d be watching the Superbowl at home. In fact they probably wouldn’t have even made the playoff. CP’s choking under pressure and mistakes in the clutch make it virtually impossible to win with him consistently.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am
I would like to see more Pryor in the future, but hasn’t he (or at least should have been) working with a QB coach the last two years?
How many years will it take to not throw punts based on bad mechanics?
January 30th, 2013 at 10:29 am
The removal of the ZBS will do wonders for this offense and we have some OL already on the roster that may not have done so well in a ZBS, but might perform quite well in a power blocking scheme. Veldheer and Wiz 2.0 come to mind. What we need the most on offense arent QB changes but depth at OL and some upgrades at WR. Keep watching, because this is what you are going to see in adition to defensive players at cb, lb, and DT/DE.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Hue is like the hot stripper with 3 kids.
Great fun for a weekend, or even maybe a month, but you don’t let her move-in with you.
There is a reason he has bounced around the league like……..well a stripper.
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Hahahahahaha, well put.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:30 am
RaiderReggie Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:25 am
I think T. Pryor can be a poor man Colin Kapernick, Russell Wilson or RGIII with some good coaching. They need to get him a good quarterback coach to work on his throwing mechanics and I think he would surprise a whole lot of people.
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agreed
i think pryor can be better than kappy. kappy lacks touch at times and his throwing motion has a huge wind up. he has eliminated the 3/4 delivery he used to have and improved.
I think pryor has also improved his throwing motion and will only get better with time
January 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Negative GDP growth for the 4th quarter, and the stock market is up. Amazing.
Corporate profits love moderately high unemployment, you can stick it to current employees and new hires.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 29th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
Show me a quote that says Pryor is competing for a starting spot. It doesn’t exist.
But we have all made out opinions know. It’s boring now.
If the kid shocks the world, fantastic. I hope he does. I don’t think it will happen but I’m not against him.
Truth is the Missdick has created a lot of this negativity. That’s what bigots and liars do. He bashes our qb and lies about him. And that pizzes people off.
But most of us world love it if the kid did it.
We will see how it all plays out.
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SiriusXMNFL Radio reported that quarterback Terrelle Pryor will have a chance to compete with Carson Palmer for the starting job in 2013.
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Terrelle Pryor will be given the chance to compete with Carson Palmer for the Raiders starting QB job.
Yet, I wouldn’t assume Pryor is going to be Oakland’s opening-day starter nor would I say there will surely be a quarterback controversy in training camp in Oakland.
Oakland general manager Reggie McKenzie told Bay Area reporters last week Pryor must compete for his playing time.
“Right now, he’s our No. 2,” McKenzie said last week. “We’ve got Matt Leinart as a free agent. I’m going to bring guys in. I’m not penciling in anybody at any position as one, two. I’m going to have somebody in here to try to compete with everybody. So I’m not going to get into who is two or three, or number one for that matter.”
January 30th, 2013 at 10:35 am
JUST FIRE BABY who trading them picks Hugh Jackson I guarantee you one thing it won’t happen again this team will be built on draft picks the 49ers they drafted defense they had a defensive coach there for a while in fact II of them
we have Carson Palmer, That’s the trouble with this team we made too many bad decisions over the years
Al Davis run this team into the ground you guys on this board don’t understand that the Raiders are a new team Al Davis run the defense the defense he run is the best defense there is but there’s one problem you have to have 11 players they can go Mono Mono against the offense you can find that many players nowadays. and if you could find them you couldn’t afford him this time next year you guys will be saying what a great team we have glad glad dad have a nice day
January 30th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I wonder about a QB’s ability to change his throwing mechanics a whole lot. A person’s mechanics are his natural movements and it is why some guys are just naturally born with a fluid golf swing and are predisposed to succeed and other guys spend a lifetime paying for golf lessons and die with the samy lousy swing they always had. This is precisely why nobody will touch Tebow with a ten foot pole. Ya gotta know when to fish or cut bait and if a guy can’t improve his problems after 3 years, he isn’t going to get any better. I don’t really know anything about Pryor’s throwing mechanics, but if they need improvement and are still bad after this offseason, his days are numbered.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Derek Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Carson Palmer
Career Record as Starting QB: 54 Wins – 67 Losses
If Palmer was the Whiners starting QB they’d be watching the Superbowl at home. In fact they probably wouldn’t have even made the playoff. CP’s choking under pressure and mistakes in the clutch make it virtually impossible to win with him consistently.
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What a ridiculous steaming load of hot horse terds. CP has never played on a team as well rounded as SF.
There is no way you can make such a statement with a straight face. You either are a troll or an imbecile.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am
604.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:27 am
In my opinion the number one goal in the draft for our raiders is to find 2 play makers for the defense. I would prefer that those two guys are on different levels of the defense, a pass rusher, and a db/safety
I think to be great you need a play maker highlight guy on all 3 levels of the defense, but you can be good enough to win it all with two. This can also be done when those players play on the same level of the defense as well.
Get 2 play makers and the defense will be good enough to keep you in games. this with pryor and the pistol would make us instantly playoff ready.
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I agree, but i think we need the 2nd play maker at Line Backer instead of DB.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Build through the draft is the way to go.
You can get a stud like Kap for a 2nd round pick and pay him 600K for a few years until he earns a restructure.
Or you can continue to waste draft picks on slugs like Carson, Curry or Seymour, and pay them their veteran “going rate” somewhere between a zillion and gazillion dollars.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Willy91137 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:35 am
JUST FIRE BABY who trading them picks Hugh Jackson I guarantee you one thing it won’t happen again this team will be built on draft picks the 49ers they drafted defense they had a defensive coach there for a while in fact II of them
we have Carson Palmer, That’s the trouble with this team we made too many bad decisions over the years
Al Davis run this team into the ground you guys on this board don’t understand that the Raiders are a new team Al Davis run the defense the defense he run is the best defense there is but there’s one problem you have to have 11 players they can go Mono Mono against the offense you can find that many players nowadays. and if you could find them you couldn’t afford him this time next year you guys will be saying what a great team we have glad glad dad have a nice day
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Uncle Al and the Raiders was why the league made all the rule changes to cater to the Offense we use to man handle WR with our big physical CB who can run!!!
Look at us now tho!!!!
Geeeeshhhh!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Ahhh.. Mistic is here with his sock puppets. “Derek”?
Ya right. As soon as Mistic shows up there are suddenly other posters claiming how horrible CP is, and how much of a certain HOFer Pryor is.
I bet Pryor has a restraining order against Mistic… prolly got sick of him following him around like he is one of the Beatles.
At any rate… I will try back later.
The chances of intelligent debate is now ZERO!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Brakevious Mingo please
High motor, excellent speed and the killer spin move.
He is an explosive player and would fit well with lamar houston and burris the other high motor guys on our defense.
mingo can rush the qb like nobodys biz, and that is where i start when im building my defense.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Carson Palmer played in Cincinnati the cheapest team in the league may have all the great wide receivers and they counted on Carson Palmer to win the Super Bowl of .
three years from now the Raiders will be in a Super Bowl Carson Palmer may not be the quarterback but he has a start TP can be a good backup
January 30th, 2013 at 10:44 am
613.Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I wonder about a QB’s ability to change his throwing mechanics a whole lot. A person’s mechanics are his natural movements and it is why some guys are just naturally born with a fluid golf swing and are predisposed to succeed and other guys spend a lifetime paying for golf lessons and die with the samy lousy swing they always had. This is precisely why nobody will touch Tebow with a ten foot pole. Ya gotta know when to fish or cut bait and if a guy can’t improve his problems after 3 years, he isn’t going to get any better. I don’t really know anything about Pryor’s throwing mechanics, but if they need improvement and are still bad after this offseason, his days are numbered.
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True, look at Vince Young and his horrible throwing mostion. Pryor’s problem throwing is mostly footwork, not really his release, and that can be learned. However it can’t be taught by John DeFilippo. That guy can’t develop QB’s
January 30th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Build through the draft is the way to go.
You can get a stud like Kap for a 2nd round pick and pay him 600K for a few years until he earns a restructure.
Or you can continue to waste draft picks on slugs like Carson, Curry or Seymour, and pay them their veteran “going rate” somewhere between a zillion and gazillion dollars.
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Add Lechler to the list. He gets his walking papers this offseason if he wants to keep getting crazy money.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:48 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:38 am
I wonder about a QB’s ability to change his throwing mechanics a whole lot. A person’s mechanics are his natural movements and it is why some guys are just naturally born with a fluid golf swing and are predisposed to succeed and other guys spend a lifetime paying for golf lessons and die with the samy lousy swing they always had. This is precisely why nobody will touch Tebow with a ten foot pole.
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disagree
there are planty of guys that have made it in the nfl with less than perfect throwing motion
marino kosar cunningham, the question is can you be accurate. the answer for tebow is clearly no.
pryor can be accurate and will be accurate with time on the field with his wrs in his offense.
I saw in week 17 that most of his errant throws were while he was running and couldnt set his feet. Most of his passes from the pocket were on the money, including the four that were dropped.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:49 am
I like Pete Carroll as a coach. Eventhough they signed a highly paid Matt Flynn for their starter, he gave 3rd round pick Russell Wilson a REAL chance to start at quarterback and he won the job. Most so called experts say Russell Wilson would not make it in the NFL. If the Raiders had a coach like Pete Carroll, Terrell Pryor would get a REAL chance for the starting quarterback job and maybe he would win the job out right.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:49 am
I don’t like the way Reggie and DA keep dropping hints and taking shots at Lechler. He deserves a little more respect than that. He shouldn’t get another contract like Al gave him, but he is the best punter in the NFL and should be paid fairly.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Gdog Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Ahhh.. Mistic is here with his sock puppets. “Derek”?
Ya right. As soon as Mistic shows up there are suddenly other posters claiming how horrible CP is, and how much of a certain HOFer Pryor is.
I bet Pryor has a restraining order against Mistic… prolly got sick of him following him around like he is one of the Beatles.
At any rate… I will try back later.
The chances of intelligent debate is now ZERO!
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lol zero intelligence is often the case for you isnt it?
I dont know who derek is and i did not start the carson pryor thing today.
Sorry but you simply have to accept that there are quite a few people that think pryor is the future and the present.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:51 am
hahaha Pryor will never be better than Kappy no fcking way keep dreaming Mystic
January 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Negative GDP growth for the 4th quarter, and the stock market is up. Amazing.
Corporate profits love moderately high unemployment, you can stick it to current employees and new hires.
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Dow was under 8,000 when President post Turtle took over and its at 14,000 now. At that rate it will shatter 20,000 by the time the shooting starts.
I wish I had an E-ticket all access pass to the bunkers the gov.con will slip into to hide for the few weeks it will take for things to settle back down. But alas, magoo and I will have to watch from my front porch
January 30th, 2013 at 10:53 am
There r also quite a few people in here that THINK Pryor is GARBAGE
January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am
626.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Gdog Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Ahhh.. Mistic is here with his sock puppets. “Derek”?
Ya right. As soon as Mistic shows up there are suddenly other posters claiming how horrible CP is, and how much of a certain HOFer Pryor is.
I bet Pryor has a restraining order against Mistic… prolly got sick of him following him around like he is one of the Beatles.
At any rate… I will try back later.
The chances of intelligent debate is now ZERO!
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lol zero intelligence is often the case for you isnt it?
I dont know who derek is and i did not start the carson pryor thing today.
Sorry but you simply have to accept that there are quite a few people that think pryor is the future and the present.
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Didn’t Gannon throw side arm?
January 30th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Didn’t Gannon throw side arm?
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Yea he had a weird throwing motion.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Add Lechler to the list. He gets his walking papers this offseason if he wants to keep getting crazy money.
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Lechler was in fact overpaid for quite some time, but at least we only used a 5th round pick 10 years ago to get him.
Giving up a 5th and 7th, plus a few million dollars, for a dozen putrid games from Aaron Curry?
That is a horrendous move!!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Wow, ammo for Mistic…sorry fellas. Not saying that Rich Gannon and Phil Simms know about QB development like this board does.
Rich Gannon: My last question. I just want to follow up on Aaron Rodgers. I know you study a lot of tape. I know you studied Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal and his throwing mechanics, his stroke, his motion. As a former quarterback I think Mike McCarthy’s done an excellent job of training him, his footwork and all of those things. In terms of his stroke and in terms of his arm strength I think he’s one of the best in the business. I don’t know that anyone has as strong an arm as this guy
Phil Simms: I don’t think there’s anybody in the game that can flick and make the throws…
Rich Gannon: and spin it-
Phil Simms:-and spins it. Oh my gosh can he rotate the ball which makes him an all weather thrower, that’s why it’s important. You know Rich I saw him come out of college and I sit here and I say this with all honesty- I’ve been wrong on a few- not many- but I didn’t like him. I thought ‘Man, that throwing motion. That’s looks like something out of Pop Warner football-’
Rich Gannon: -they changed it though, a little bit
Phil Simms:. So I went up there, watched him his first year in practice. “Awful,” I said “Wow. He’s awful.”
Second year I went up there and I remember somebody going “What did you think?” I said “Well the Packers have to be worried that this guy is never going to play for them. I mean really, and you know what, and this is the truth; they were worried.
Then year three I go up there and I’m watching out of the corner of my eye and I go “Wow.” I thought it was Brett and I turned and I watched Aaron Rodgers and I went “Oh my God” and after practice is almost over I said, “Hey Aaron!”
He goes “Oh, hey Phil”.
I said, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but your throwing- it’s unbelievable.”
He goes “Yeah, I know, I’m not taking it wrong, don’t worry. Thanks, I appreciate it. Look, I kind of went back to being natural. Kind of taught myself, they taught me some things.”
Rich, it was an unbelievable transformation. He really went from on a scale of 1-10; he went from a three to a ten. That’s about what I thought. I thought he was a sub-par NFL thrower. Below average, way below average to arguably the best now. It’s unbelievable.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:59 am
I think Pryor is the present, not so sure about the future.
Matt Flynn threw for like 500 yards and 6 TD’s in his meaningless week 17 start in 2011.
The Seachickens got snookered into giving him a bunch of dough, but hedged their bets by drafting a QB in the top of the 3rd round.
We need to do the same hedge, and bring in at least one other young QB.
Hopefully Geno.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:01 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 am
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lol zero intelligence is often the case for you isnt it?
I dont know who derek is and i did not start the carson pryor thing today.
Sorry but you simply have to accept that there are quite a few people that think pryor is the future and the present.
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Didn’t Gannon throw side arm?
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yes he did have an ugly throwing motion and the dreaded noodle arm pop gun, but he made it work.
Throwing motion can be over come
January 30th, 2013 at 11:01 am
632.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Add Lechler to the list. He gets his walking papers this offseason if he wants to keep getting crazy money.
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Lechler was in fact overpaid for quite some time, but at least we only used a 5th round pick 10 years ago to get him.
Giving up a 5th and 7th, plus a few million dollars, for a dozen putrid games from Aaron Curry?
That is a horrendous move!!!!
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Let it go, just let it go
January 30th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Anything can be “over come” but more often than not it doesn’t.
Just like one of these year D-Mac will “over come” his injury issues.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:09 am
637.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Anything can be “over come” but more often than not it doesn’t.
Just like one of these year D-Mac will “over come” his injury issues.
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That is a great point about D-Mac, Thomas Jones was injury prone through his tours of Arizaona and Tampa and turned into a very consistent back on the Bears/Jets/Chiefs.
Gave me hope JFB!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:13 am
If we could get anything close to Thomas Jones production from D-Mac I would be elated.
He brought a physical presence to those teams.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:14 am
give me mingo at 3
then back him up with either a tackling machin middle lb skove minter or reddick
or a blanket db to take away the best wr on every play
amerson or rhodes
January 30th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:13 am
If we could get anything close to Thomas Jones production from D-Mac I would be elated.
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If only your boy Greg Knapp hadn’t showed up.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:18 am
He goes “Yeah, I know, I’m not taking it wrong, don’t worry. Thanks, I appreciate it. Look, I kind of went back to being natural. Kind of taught myself, they taught me some things.”
Rich, it was an unbelievable transformation. He really went from on a scale of 1-10; he went from a three to a ten. That’s about what I thought. I thought he was a sub-par NFL thrower. Below average, way below average to arguably the best now. It’s unbelievable.
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Yup… and he sat the bench for THREE FULL SEASONS!
OTOH, Mistic and his sock puppets think Pryor is ready to go!
Just roll the footballs out and let him rain TDs! Nothing more to learn… he’s better than Kap!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am
KoolKell Says:
If only your boy Greg Knapp hadn’t showed up.
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That was one season. What about the other three uninspired seasons from Dmac?
January 30th, 2013 at 11:21 am
If only your boy Greg Knapp hadn’t showed up.
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OK that works for 2012, what about 2008, 2009 and 2011?
What will be the excuse for 2013?
January 30th, 2013 at 11:25 am
I do like demontre moore as well, i dont think you can go wrong at number 3 with he or mingo
January 30th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Give me DMac Reece & Chris Ivory my wish list for my Raiders backfield!!!
Draft wish list: trade down to get a 2nd
1st- CB bama only because I think he is a shutdown CB
2nd-pass rusher they will be good ones left in round2
3rd-best O-lineman there
4th-TE out of Cinncy
6th-HoneyBadger can play slot or move to FS ballhawk
7th-best Lb
7th- best player there
January 30th, 2013 at 11:26 am
643.RaidingTexas Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am
KoolKell Says:
If only your boy Greg Knapp hadn’t showed up.
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That was one season. What about the other three uninspired seasons from Dmac?
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Two seasons that he was Knapp’d. But other than that he’s had good years, can’t fault a guy for getting hurt.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Honey Badger won’t last past the 4th round better yet into the 6th.
Not 100% sure he will be on the board when we pick in the 4th round.
Return men make huge impacts in games these days, and he might be the best return man to come out in years.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:31 am
Until NEXT year, when the “Black Mamba” comes to the draft…..
January 30th, 2013 at 11:35 am
So you guys are gettin’ hit up for season ticket orders already?
Tell ‘em you’d be happy to order if they friggin did something at least minorly interesting to encourage you.
Ask them if they could at least pretend like this year is gonna be better if they’re gonna ask for your money.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:38 am
McFadden will have this season to prove that last year was a fluke because of ZBS and not because of him. He’s back to where he was three years ago in this blog. IF he can stay healthy, he could be great……blah blah blah.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Michael Mauti [OLB, Penn St]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio St]
Draft w/tradedown:
1- Barrett Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Xavier Nixon [OT, Florida]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Travis Johnson [DE/OLB, SJSU]
January 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Part of being a “great” NFL RB is playing hurt and staying healthy.
I mean Adrian Peterson blew out his ACL and didn’t miss a game.
McFadden turns an ankle and misses a month.
Not sure how that all changes with a blocking switch, but I would like to be shown to be wrong.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Honey Badger won’t last past the 4th round better yet into the 6th.
Not 100% sure he will be on the board when we pick in the 4th round.
Return men make huge impacts in games these days, and he might be the best return man to come out in years.
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I only said 6th because I think teams will stay away because of his off field issues and he is not your typical nfl size but personally I wldnt be upset if we took him in 3 or 4 I want so badly for this guy to be in silver and black I wld lose it if somebody fore our division gets him and he plays the way I know he can!!!
I’m from New Orleans and watched him from park ball to St.Aug to Lsu and he was never the biggest but kid had a heart of a lion or should I say HoneyBadger!!! Idk everything about this kid play says raiders he is a nasty lil sob and he is not afraid to come up and through his lil body in there with the bigg boys just wreckless!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Peterson missed time.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game? and that after being an NFL starter for many years. this “o he came off the couch” argument is definitely valid for palmer in that instance, but it’s equally valid for pryor. No teams work with their 3rd string qb during the week, most of the time he is just running scout, he isn’t learning the plays or developing timing with his receivers. in the NFL timing with receivers is everything, thats y manning brady rodgers brees are the best because they have all had a lot of time to work with receivers to develop timing. Pryor had none of that, he had 3 days of getting half the snaps. That can accout for a couple balls being a little off target and multiple easy drops by receivers. His first couple throws actually had zip on them but they were dropped. the floaters he threw were all completions so what are you guys complaining about? dude lost 3 games his entire college career and he played against some good teams,and wasn’t surrounded by a ton of talent (who else on that team can you name in the nfl? beanie wells…) isn’t winning all that matters when it comes down to it?
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:20 am
KoolKell Says:
If only your boy Greg Knapp hadn’t showed up.
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That was one season. What about the other three uninspired seasons from Dmac?
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What other 3 uninspired seasons? The ones where he averaged 5 yds per carry?
January 30th, 2013 at 11:44 am
From an article someone posted above:
A pair of glaring areas of weakness has vividly appeared during Pryor’s latest stretch of ineptitude. Two critical attributes for any quarterback, decision making and throwing mechanics, are far from Pryor’s strong suit.
He hasn’t demonstrated a strong grasp of the basic fundamentals of playing his position. He often locks onto one receiver, clearly broadcasting his thought process to the defense.
Pryor, with the ability to run from and break free of tackles, has the athleticism to make up for a weak line; he was sacked just twice in the first four games of ‘09.
But in the past three games, while completing just 54 percent of his passes and looking as uncomfortable in the pocket as ever, Pryor has been taken down on 10 occasions.
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This is from OSU and eerily could have been written about his lst start here.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Peterson missed time.
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He’s missed 7 games in 7 years.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:46 am
whoever says tyrann mathieu can’t tackle/hit must not realize he broke the school record for FORCED fumbles by the time he was a sohpomore. PLAYMAKER!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Not sure how that all changes with a blocking switch, but I would like to be shown to be wrong.
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It’s happened before. Lol, stay tuned.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Part of being a “great” NFL RB is playing hurt and staying healthy.
I mean Adrian Peterson blew out his ACL and didn’t miss a game.
McFadden turns an ankle and misses a month.
Not sure how that all changes with a blocking switch, but I would like to be shown to be wrong.
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You hear A LOT about the lack of leadership on this team. McFadden is one of the highest paid players, has been here for 4 years and really has done nothing of note. Where is the leadership from this player? Time to cut bait on this player and move on.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am
I believe Mathieu can tackle, I don’t believe he can cover.
He was not very good at it at LSU.
Lots of his forced fumbles and recovered fumbles were on ST’s.
ST beast!!!! We need that.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I’m betting Geno Smith goes # 1 to KC.
Unless KC makes a trade for Flynn or Alex Smith (?).
If not, Geno will be right there for us if Reggie wants him.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am
From an article someone posted above:
A pair of glaring areas of weakness has vividly appeared during Pryor’s latest stretch of ineptitude. Two critical attributes for any quarterback, decision making and throwing mechanics, are far from Pryor’s strong suit.
He hasn’t demonstrated a strong grasp of the basic fundamentals of playing his position. He often locks onto one receiver, clearly broadcasting his thought process to the defense.
Pryor, with the ability to run from and break free of tackles, has the athleticism to make up for a weak line; he was sacked just twice in the first four games of ‘09.
But in the past three games, while completing just 54 percent of his passes and looking as uncomfortable in the pocket as ever, Pryor has been taken down on 10 occasions.
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This is from OSU and eerily could have been written about his lst start here.
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Pryor was also playing on a partially torn ligament in his knee if i’m not mistaken.That could help explain that. Still won games.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game? and that after being an NFL starter for many years. this “o he came off the couch” argument is definitely valid for palmer in that instance, but it’s equally valid for pryor. No teams work with their 3rd string qb during the week, most of the time he is just running scout, he isn’t learning the plays or developing timing with his receivers. in the NFL timing with receivers is everything, thats y manning brady rodgers brees are the best because they have all had a lot of time to work with receivers to develop timing. Pryor had none of that, he had 3 days of getting half the snaps. That can accout for a couple balls being a little off target and multiple easy drops by receivers. His first couple throws actually had zip on them but they were dropped. the floaters he threw were all completions so what are you guys complaining about? dude lost 3 games his entire college career and he played against some good teams,and wasn’t surrounded by a ton of talent (who else on that team can you name in the nfl? beanie wells…) isn’t winning all that matters when it comes down to it?
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excellent post
January 30th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Peterson missed time.
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He’s missed 7 games in 7 years.
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OK.
It was said that Peterson tore his ACL and didnt miss a game.
Thats not accurate. All im saying.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Jags are locked in at DE for the #2 pick, with Werner & Moore at the top of their list.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game? and that after being an NFL starter for many years. this “o he came off the couch” argument is definitely valid for palmer in that instance, but it’s equally valid for pryor. No teams work with their 3rd string qb during the week, most of the time he is just running scout, he isn’t learning the plays or developing timing with his receivers. in the NFL timing with receivers is everything, thats y manning brady rodgers brees are the best because they have all had a lot of time to work with receivers to develop timing. Pryor had none of that, he had 3 days of getting half the snaps. That can accout for a couple balls being a little off target and multiple easy drops by receivers. His first couple throws actually had zip on them but they were dropped. the floaters he threw were all completions so what are you guys complaining about? dude lost 3 games his entire college career and he played against some good teams,and wasn’t surrounded by a ton of talent (who else on that team can you name in the nfl? beanie wells…) isn’t winning all that matters when it comes down to it?
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excellent post
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Oh lookie… Mistic has a new sock puppet!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Part of being a “great” NFL RB is playing hurt and staying healthy.
I mean Adrian Peterson blew out his ACL and didn’t miss a game.
McFadden turns an ankle and misses a month.
Not sure how that all changes with a blocking switch, but I would like to be shown to be wrong.
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Dude that lis frank or whatever injury is no joke bro when it comes to skill players because they have to read and react and cut on a dime in a split second no one has ever came right back after suffering that injury spencer got it and week 2 never return ford preseason week 2 never return now acl players hav finished games with those injuries not knowing at the time that’s what it was but they are on record!!!
Don’t get me wrong DMac has to stay healthy but comparing AP and DMac injuries isn’t fair when one was hurt in mid-season and the other was hurt in season end!!!
AP did have an ankle injury against us and miss the next 2 games last season. Just saying ankle injuries are no joke bro!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Did Pryor play with Santonio Holmes?
January 30th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Joe Reedy @joereedy
Via multiple league sources, Hue Jackson will be the #bengals RB coach. No word on when it will be announced but probably next week
- Hue moving up
January 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am
HGDaddy Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Joe Reedy @joereedy
Via multiple league sources, Hue Jackson will be the #bengals RB coach. No word on when it will be announced but probably next week
- Hue moving up
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Michael Bush to Cincy after the Bears cut him.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Gdog Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:49 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game? and that after being an NFL starter for many years. this “o he came off the couch” argument is definitely valid for palmer in that instance, but it’s equally valid for pryor. No teams work with their 3rd string qb during the week, most of the time he is just running scout, he isn’t learning the plays or developing timing with his receivers. in the NFL timing with receivers is everything, thats y manning brady rodgers brees are the best because they have all had a lot of time to work with receivers to develop timing. Pryor had none of that, he had 3 days of getting half the snaps. That can accout for a couple balls being a little off target and multiple easy drops by receivers. His first couple throws actually had zip on them but they were dropped. the floaters he threw were all completions so what are you guys complaining about? dude lost 3 games his entire college career and he played against some good teams,and wasn’t surrounded by a ton of talent (who else on that team can you name in the nfl? beanie wells…) isn’t winning all that matters when it comes down to it?
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excellent post
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Oh lookie… Mistic has a new sock puppet!
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sorry to tell you i dont know this person, i dont cross post.
i have never even thought of the case that this guy is making but it is a good one.
so thats your world? every one that advocates pryor over palmer is me?
LMAO!!!!!! that is a weak minded defense mecahnism
January 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Lis Franc is no joke, another reason why we should get rid of Jacoby Ford.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:58 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:43 am
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game?
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Palmer also played at a Pro Bowl Level for 9 years before that lst game here. And he wasn’t supposed to go into that game. Jackson threw him in. That’s a big difference from a guy who really had no accuracy, poor mechanics, and poor decision making at the collegiate level, who 32 teams passed on repeatedly. And then he goes in a game and we see why 32 teams passed on him repeatedly.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Man who shot bus driver holds boy, 6, hostage in Alabama bunker
A tense hostage situation continued on Wednesday in rural Alabama, where a man was holding a 6-year-old boy in an underground bunker hours after the gunman grabbed the child off a school bus and killed the driver, officials said.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-boy-held-hostage-alabama-20130130,0,2558091.story
January 30th, 2013 at 11:59 am
673.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:55 am
HGDaddy Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Joe Reedy @joereedy
Via multiple league sources, Hue Jackson will be the #bengals RB coach. No word on when it will be announced but probably next week
- Hue moving up
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Michael Bush to Cincy after the Bears cut him.
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Since Hub Arkush said (mon night) that the Bears are committed to Bush for 2013 I’m gonna say you are probably right on them cutting him.
I don’t trust Arkush anymore. He of the “I’m 99.9% certain Gruden will be a HC in the NFL in 2013 and KC is going to the Super Bowl” fame.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
I believe Mathieu can tackle, I don’t believe he can cover.
He was not very good at it at LSU.
Lots of his forced fumbles and recovered fumbles were on ST’s.
ST beast!!!! We need that
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KBPaoS6odk
most of his forced fumbles were not on ST… I only saw 1 on ST and it was against Oregons starting RB…where did u see this? the majority of his FF were on defense. He could probably be the top slot corner in the nfl with his instincts and athleticism. you don’t need to be tall to cover slot guys. he can also blitz and make plays on RBs
January 30th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
1- Star Lotulelei [NT, Utah]
3- Chase Thomas [OLB/DE, Stanford]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Baker Steinkuhler [DE, Nebraska]
6- Cornelius Washington [OLB/DE, Georgia]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Reid Fragel [OT, Ohio St]
January 30th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:47 am
I believe Mathieu can tackle, I don’t believe he can cover.
He was not very good at it at LSU.
Lots of his forced fumbles and recovered fumbles were on ST’s.
ST beast!!!! We need that.
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I mean he was decent at coverage. I remember a game when he was a freshman wearing 14 when Patrick Peterson & Morris Claborine was the stater and one got hurt and they were throwing at him like crazy and the announcers were like who is this true freshman just thrown to the wolves out here making plays is cover skills are not great because he gambles a lot but he is decent.
Teams never threw at Morris Claborine hardly ever but I never recall a game where the HoneyBadger was getting exposed and he seen a lot of balls thrown his way,now he gave up 2 big post corner throws in the title game against bama due to the fact they study him and seen he like to gamble!!!
But I think he could do a decent job at CB he plays bigger than he is but he is great look 4 a slot CB and he blitz above average!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
From what I’m reading nothing really starts happening until March 12th 2013 as far as trades, FA signings etc.?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game?
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Palmer also played at a Pro Bowl Level for 9 years before that lst game here. And he wasn’t supposed to go into that game. Jackson threw him in. That’s a big difference from a guy who really had no accuracy, poor mechanics, and poor decision making at the collegiate level, who 32 teams passed on repeatedly. And then he goes in a game and we see why 32 teams passed on him repeatedly.
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Carson Palmer made the pro bowl 2 times in 9 years…so obviously he didn’t play at a pro bowl level for 9 years..Pryor had a 60+% completion in college and teams passed on him because it was the supplemental draft…no one goes high in a supplemental draft…he had off the field issues and was suspended for the first 6 games before he was even drafted..that’s y teams passed on him…not because he couldnt play. and carson palmer has shown poor decision making plenty of times in the nfl…So thats not a good argument either. poor mechanics yea. But his mechanics weren’t that bad in his first start after not playing any significant time in games OR practices for 2+ years.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
‘Walking angel’: Girl who performed at 0bama’s inauguration shot dead in Chicago
A 15-year-old girl who performed at President 0bama’s inauguration last week was shot dead Tuesday while hanging out with friends in bullet-scarred Chicago.
Hadiya Pendleton — described by a relative as a “walking angel” — was standing under a canopy in Vivian Gordon Harsh Park when a gunman ran down an alley, opened fire at the group and fled in a white car, police said.
Pendleton was shot in the back but managed to run about a block before she collapsed, officer Laura Kubiak said. She died at the hospital.
A sophomore at selective King College Prep High School, Pendleton had traveled to Washington to perform with the school marching band at inaugural events.
“It was the highlight of her young 15-year-old life,” Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill., said Wednesday at a Senate hearing on gun violence.
“Just a matter of days after the happiest day of her life, she’s gone.”
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/30/16771949-walking-angel-girl-who-performed-at-0bamas-inauguration-shot-dead-in-chicago?lite
January 30th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game?
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Palmer also played at a Pro Bowl Level for 9 years before that lst game here. And he wasn’t supposed to go into that game. Jackson threw him in. That’s a big difference from a guy who really had no accuracy, poor mechanics, and poor decision making at the collegiate level, who 32 teams passed on repeatedly. And then he goes in a game and we see why 32 teams passed on him repeatedly.
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n if you think about it…32 teams also passed on palmer because he was retired sitting at home throwing to TJ whoyourmama at high school fields for months before the raiders were desperate enough to trade for him.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
so the guy manti was talking to was deeply in love with him? yikes
January 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
1- Star Lotulelei [NT, Utah]
3- Chase Thomas [OLB/DE, Stanford]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Baker Steinkuhler [DE, Nebraska]
6- Cornelius Washington [OLB/DE, Georgia]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Reid Fragel [OT, Ohio St]
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now i’m not such an idiot for thinking we should get star huh?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
664.DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:48 am
I’m betting Geno Smith goes # 1 to KC.
Unless KC makes a trade for Flynn or Alex Smith (?).
If not, Geno will be right there for us if Reggie wants him.
++++++++++++
Man, I wish KC would make that mistake and open the door for us to pick Joeckel.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
1- Star Lotulelei [NT, Utah]
3- Chase Thomas [OLB/DE, Stanford]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Baker Steinkuhler [DE, Nebraska]
6- Cornelius Washington [OLB/DE, Georgia]
7- Greg Reid [CB/KR, Valdosta]
7- Reid Fragel [OT, Ohio St]
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Chase Thomas would be awesome but i don’t think he will last to the 3rd. He was a monster ths season. I can’t believe more ppl aren’t talking about him
January 30th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Apparently some people think we can’t find the news anywhere else but on this blog. Pathetic.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
What other 3 uninspired seasons? The ones where he averaged 5 yds per carry?
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The uninspired seasons where he sat on the bench for multiple games nursing his take-your-pick foot injury.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
DMC missed the better part of 2 seasons with turf toe.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
DMC missed the better part of 2 seasons with turf toe.
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Yes he did, didn’t he.
When he’s healthy and running North/South he’s a very good RB, Homerun hitter.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
“can’t fault a guy for getting hurt.”
Well maybe, but you also can’t count on a guy who keeps getting hurt. And probably shouldn’t PAY him…
January 30th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Maybe DMC should use the HGH recovery methods that guys like P. Manning, A. Peterson, R. Lewis and others do. Those ‘miracle’ comebacks and recoveries are no miracle at all.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
JLofty Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
“can’t fault a guy for getting hurt.”
Well maybe, but you also can’t count on a guy who keeps getting hurt. And probably shouldn’t PAY him…
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Of course, that would be Welfare wouldn’t it?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Lol. Missdick trying to sell gdog that he has never considered that Pryor didn’t have enuff prep time.
It’s been one of his main arguments forever.
Once a liar, always a liar.
Classic missdick.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
I think Palmer is a good QB. He is the best pure passer on our team by far, has the most experience, big arm, accurate for the most part, smart guy. But are we gonna win a super bowl with carson palmer as our starting QB? no. We still don’t know exactly what we have in pryor, we have see seen bad mechanics, some bad passes, and a bad decision, we’ve also seen a guy who can keep defense guessing, avod sacks, and possibly be a gamebreaker with his size and speed. If we aren’t going to win a super boqwl with palmer, why not play Pryor too see if we ca possibly win one in the near future with him as our QB? if not, then we know we need to draft a QB. Honestly, I watched that SD game twice and there is nothing telling me that he will definitely be a star but there was also nothing telling me that he definitely wont be a star. That’s all i’m saying
January 30th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
695.Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Maybe DMC should use the HGH recovery methods that guys like P. Manning, A. Peterson, R. Lewis and others do. Those ‘miracle’ comebacks and recoveries are no miracle at all.
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thats the Truth!
January 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
No Kook, that would amount to disability, but I think you missed the point.
DMac is under contract for one more season. At some point in 2013 the Oakland Raiders are going to have to make a choice regarding the future of Darren McFadden….
January 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
JLofty needs some HGH recovery. And some clear and the cream whilst at it…
January 30th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Trivia time.
What qb has 5 seasons of over 3800 yards, including 3 of 4000+, and 1 of 3970, plus 4 seasons of 26+ td passes and another where he would have had 26 if not injured?
Hint: this qb is considered one of the best passers of the last decade.
Also, what qb recently started (and lost) his first nfl game and threw for 46% and a whopping 150 yards?
If u can answer these two questions, and with a straight face, proclaim that qb #1 is bad and qb #2 is better, u win the coveted “bigot liar of the year” award.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
If the NFL started testing for HGH today, half of the Pro-Bowl players would retire tomorrow. Probably more than half. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
JLofty Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
No Kook, that would amount to disability, but I think you missed the point.
DMac is under contract for one more season. At some point in 2013 the Oakland Raiders are going to have to make a choice regarding the future of Darren McFadden….
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They just did, they fired Greg Knapp.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Newsflash:
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
It was never said. Show me a quote.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Lol. Missdick trying to sell gdog that he has never considered that Pryor didn’t have enuff prep time.
It’s been one of his main arguments forever.
Once a liar, always a liar.
Classic missdick.
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what an idiot
I have never made the comparison between palmer coming off the couch and pryor not playing due to suspension and leaving college early.
That was an excellent comparison and exposes the double standard held in the tiny minds like your own
January 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Not to be usurious but I think we should just run the legs off DMcF in 13 and left him walk in 14. Some stupid team will pay him huge bucks and while he is a swell RB, I wouldn’t be breakin the bank on a 6th yr tailback with serious durability issues….
Draft a youngster!
January 30th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
McFadden wishes he had a future other then a life in his recliner resting his tired dawgs
January 30th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
JLofty Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Not to be usurious but I think we should just run the legs off DMcF in 13 and left him walk in 14. Some stupid team will pay him huge bucks and while he is a swell RB, I wouldn’t be breakin the bank on a 6th yr tailback with serious durability issues….
Draft a youngster!
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Agreed. And I would also add they should use Taiwan Jones for something or cut him and acquire a back that will justify the roster spot.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Missdick–exactly. U have ripped Palmer for not excelling after coming off the couch and u excitedly include this games as proof he sucks.
But u make every excuse u can for Pryor.
Are u saying u no longer hold those early games against Palmer?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
I still have hope that DMC will have a productive year. Palmer and Pryor, not so much, though a #1 receiver would really help. On the other side, the defense needs new leaders at every level and that’s where the draft and FA needs to be focused.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
You guys need to get over the Pryor/Palmer debate. Carson is a much better QB. There is no comparison.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Missdick–exactly. U have ripped Palmer for not excelling after coming off the couch and u excitedly include this games as proof he sucks.
But u make every excuse u can for Pryor.
Are u saying u no longer hold those early games against Palmer?
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mr
please i didnt make the comparison, some one else did and i agreed
talk to them
January 30th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
im out
peace
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I dont think there is a debate as to who is the better QB.
There are other factors like contract, team plans, etc..
This team isnt a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old QB away from the playoffs.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I wonder how kaepernick escaped being made gay by his white adoptive parents. It must make missdick cringe to know he was raised by whites.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
so thats your world? every one that advocates pryor over palmer is me?
LMAO!!!!!! that is a weak minded defense mecahnism
>>>>
Its all just an amazing coincidence that every time you are “IQ vacuuming” there is a new mystery poster that supports your position huh?
I guess that’s why you are known as the IQ vacuum!
At any rate… could you find something else to do with your miserable life so we can get on to a different topic?
(BTW, “cross posting” has nothing to do with people like you using a sock puppet… it has to do with posting to several forums at the same time. Its a term used for years in Usenet.)
January 30th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Yeah JWB, my now appendix free gut tells me the staff is going to let Taiwan go. (unless they can make a corner back out of him, kid can tackle!)
January 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Yes, we better run DMAC into the ground this year in order to recoup some value for the contract we paid him. He’s leaving us at the end of this coming season anyway, so why not get as much production as we can out of him?
January 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
JLofty Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
No Kook, that would amount to disability, but I think you missed the point.
DMac is under contract for one more season. At some point in 2013 the Oakland Raiders are going to have to make a choice regarding the future of Darren McFadden….
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Personally, I’d love to draft RB Giovani Bernard in round 2 if we are able to get a couple of 2nd round picks viz trade downs.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Best HC in the last five years = Tom Cable.
Good riddance to Hue and his shiny big bald head.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Gdog Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
so thats your world? every one that advocates pryor over palmer is me?
LMAO!!!!!! that is a weak minded defense mecahnism
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Its all just an amazing coincidence that every time you are “IQ vacuuming” there is a new mystery poster that supports your position huh?
I guess that’s why you are known as the IQ vacuum!
At any rate… could you find something else to do with your miserable life so we can get on to a different topic?
(BTW, “cross posting” has nothing to do with people like you using a sock puppet… it has to do with posting to several forums at the same time. Its a term used for years in Usenet.)
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dont be an idiot, wait i know you cant help it.
When i signed on today there were already people in here talking pryor vs palmer
i dont give a rats azz about your terminolgy
I only post here under one handle
you will simply have to accept that there are plenty that also seem to agree with my stance
i know that pains your tiny mind. just as palmer supporters rally up when palmer is criticized, now there is a growing contingent that do the same for pryor.
Take it up with them if you have a problem with it.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
If the Bears cut Michael Bush, I would love to see him back with silver and black!!
January 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I wonder how kaepernick escaped being made gay by his white adoptive parents. It must make missdick cringe to know he was raised by whites.
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please tell me how this racist trash has anything to do with football?
just because he has an adopted white parent means nothing.
He is still a black man.
“if a cat has gives birth to kittens in an oven, that doesnt make them biscuits”- Malcolm X
January 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Godeep Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
If the Bears cut Michael Bush, I would love to see him back with silver and black!!
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Me too. He played well for us.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
peace
January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Said it before, i’ll say it again..
Best course of action is to start Pryor.
Best case: You have your young star QB of the future.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney next season.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Godeep Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
You guys need to get over the Pryor/Palmer debate. Carson is a much better QB. There is no comparison.
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I agree, hands down.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Plus we’ll be close to being out of cap hell after this season.
Palmer starting makes little sense.
Especially if there is time based guarantees like Seymour had written into his contract.
January 30th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
I’m still wondering what the hell we’re going to do with DHB’s contract. That kid plays hard, but he’s definitely not worth $10 million.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
You need to look at DMC as commodity, nothing more. If he can fetch a 2nd round pick in this year’s draft, you do that deal. He’s gone after this season regardless, and becomes someone else’s injury concern. If he flames out in 13, we have to go in another direction in 14’s draft. If he blows up, we can’t afford him. Really no compelling reason to have him as a Raider in 2013. This team is not going to be contending anytime soon anyway. We need draft picks and as many as we can get our hands on.
Now if we can’t get a 2nd rounder, then keep him. We are probably going to get a 3rd round comp pick for him once he leaves. The value of DMAC does have a floor and it’s a strict negotiating point. I could see him moved even if it’s just to move back up a dozen or so spots within the first or second round assuming Reggie trades the #3 pick. Let’s keep an open mind and all the options open regarding DMAC.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Said it before, i’ll say it again..
Best course of action is to start Pryor.
Best case: You have your young star QB of the future.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney next season.
Plus we’ll be close to being out of cap hell after this season.
Palmer starting makes little sense.
Especially if there is time based guarantees like Seymour had written into his contract.
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I agree and would add that moving to a pistol offense will make our offense better than we could hope to be with palmer in a conventional offense.
This is based on his 4-5 record in hu jack saunders vertical offense and 4-12 in the wco.
pryor in the pistol would be far more difficult to defend and this could make us a threat to make the playoffs, even with a sub par defense
now im out
peace
January 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Said it before, i’ll say it again..
Best course of action is to start Pryor.
Best case: You have your young star QB of the future.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney next season.
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That could be considered as purposely throwing the start if we were to start Pryor. Yes, he sucks that badly. Don’t get me wrong, I would love to be able to draft Jadeveon Clowney next year. Dude will probably be the biggest beast on defense to come out since Peppers.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
mistic….let it go bruh ……robertaMR and gdog only make excuses for a career loser like Palmer. We know Raiders not going to super bowl in 2013 so we know no point in keeping palmer around….dont even care if pryor stinks it up ….riddin ourselves of palmer gets us closer to our sb winning qb cuz palmer aint it!
January 30th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
DHB is overpaid at $7.7 mill and should be extended a take it or leave it $1.5 to $2 mill offer. We need to be ready to cut him. Hard worker, good teammate, nothing personal DHB, it’s another outta wack contract.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Hue’s moving on up to RB coach of the Bengals.
Those running backs will have the best feet (and hands) in the NFL.
Mani-Pedis all around!
January 30th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
papertiger418 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Yes, we better run DMAC into the ground this year in order to recoup some value for the contract we paid him. He’s leaving us at the end of this coming season anyway, so why not get as much production as we can out of him?
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I predict that DMC is out for the season by week 6 with turf toe or a high ankle sprain. Thus increasing the importance of Taiwan Jones’ roster spot.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
sorry but dmac not getting traded….reggie knows that knapp zbs was against his skill set…….contract year….homeboy will play well
January 30th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Carson’s salary seems high to a lot of you here. I feel the hate. But look at his numbers prorated over a full 16 game season. He has performed better than some QB’s paid more. Look at Joe Flacco, all of a sudden this chump wants Drew Brees type money, just because his team is in the SB.
The takeaway is that Carson’s salary isn’t the albatross that it seems. The costs per stats breakdown show that he’s at least on par with other QB’s paid in his pricerange.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Teams find a way to keep good players. If someone emerges as an all pro we can’t just write them off for the future cuz they are too expensive.
Good players cost alot of money. You have to find a way to make it work.
Denver does it, New England does it, GB does it. They all have the same cap.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Trivia time.
What qb has 5 seasons of over 3800 yards, including 3 of 4000+, and 1 of 3970, plus 4 seasons of 26+ td passes and another where he would have had 26 if not injured?
Hint: this qb is considered one of the best passers of the last decade.
Also, what qb recently started (and lost) his first nfl game and threw for 46% and a whopping 150 yards?
If u can answer these two questions, and with a straight face, proclaim that qb #1 is bad and qb #2 is better, u win the coveted “bigot liar of the year” award.
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What Carson Palmer did in his career before coming to the raiders, in his prime, pre-torn ACL is completely irrelevant to Carson Palmer since he has come to the raiders. Those same guys calling him one of the best passers of the last decade are also currently saying he is nowhere near the same player that he was before.
he is a better, more relevant “trivia” question.
QB A: (against the #20 ranked Def)
18-29 for 182 0 TDs 0INTs
2 rushes/4 yds/0 TDs
41% 3rd down Eff.
0/2 red zone TD Eff.
Offense manages no TDs
QB B: (against the #9 Ranked Def)
13/28 for 150 2TDs 1INT
9 Rushes/49 yds/ 1 TD
53% 3rd Down Eff.
3/3 Red Zone TD Eff.
Which game would you rather have your QB play?
Answer:
QB A is Carson Palmer’s last game against the KC Chiefs, after starting a full season and a half. Week 15
QB B is Pryor first game after 2 years against the san diego chargers, week 17.
i don’t car what palmer did in Cincy. I care what he’s doing for the raiders…
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Jusy Win…naw dmac will take deer antler stuff amd recover fast….this is a contract year ….he will be around
January 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
sorry but dmac not getting traded….reggie knows that knapp zbs was against his skill set…….contract year….homeboy will play well
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And where will that leave Reggie going into 14? Shelling out a $100 mill contract on a foot sprain waiting to happen. You know DMC aint about hometown discounts. He wants the money. We need to scrimp and save on the RB pos and splurge on the linemen.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Teams find a way to keep good players. If someone emerges as an all pro we can’t just write them off for the future cuz they are too expensive.
Good players cost alot of money. You have to find a way to make it work.
Denver does it, New England does it, GB does it. They all have the same cap.
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They do it by not paying huge money to guys who don’t deserve it. Syymour, DHB, Kelly, McClain, etc
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
JWB,
I think he’ll tough it out in a contract year, take shots and whatnot to make sure he gets a shot at a decent salary.
That bring said,I think we needed to move on from DMAC for some time. I thought Taiwan was an DT beast, though.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Said it before, i’ll say it again..
Best course of action is to start Pryor.
Best case: You have your young star QB of the future.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney next season.
Plus we’ll be close to being out of cap hell after this season.
Palmer starting makes little sense.
Especially if there is time based guarantees like Seymour had written into his contract.
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I agree and would add that moving to a pistol offense will make our offense better than we could hope to be with palmer in a conventional offense.
This is based on his 4-5 record in hu jack saunders vertical offense and 4-12 in the wco.
pryor in the pistol would be far more difficult to defend and this could make us a threat to make the playoffs, even with a sub par defense
now im out
peace
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Mistic, you’re a moron. Palmer only had that 4-5 record in Hue’s offense cuz he sat out most of the season. He didn’t even get into game shape until like the end of the season. Not to mention that Bresnahan’s defense lost the Bronco, Lion and Charger games for us….. So, Palmer’s record should have been 7-2, not 4-5…..
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
*ST beast*
January 30th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
743.guest123 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
sorry but dmac not getting traded….reggie knows that knapp zbs was against his skill set…….contract year….homeboy will play well
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And where will that leave Reggie going into 14? Shelling out a $100 mill contract on a foot sprain waiting to happen. You know DMC aint about hometown discounts. He wants the money. We need to scrimp and save on the RB pos and splurge on the linemen.
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$100 million dollars worth of Mike Brisel’s is scarier than a foot sprain.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
I agree with the comment that we need to define Taiwan’s role as a player on the team, be it as a RB or a DB. Just can’t continue to occupy valuable roster spots on the RB depth chart and not have confidence to plug them in if needed in a pinch.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
NG…..carson has done nothing fpr raoders but produce a 8-16 record….pryor wasnt great but palmer wasnt either….stop with excuses
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Yeah, being a good tackler in ST doesn’t necessarily equate to the ability to play corner. I don’t see much of a future for Jones in Oak if he can’t play at RB.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
mp Reggie will keep him and if we cant get he to re sign then we get compensation pick in draft right?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
750.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
NG…..carson has done nothing fpr raoders but produce a 8-16 record….pryor wasnt great but palmer wasnt either….stop with excuses
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I don’t know if you are directing the “stop making excuses” comment at me…who was I making excuses for? I think u just agreed with me and then told me not to make excuses? unless you weren’t directing that comment at me..
January 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
749.guest123 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
I agree with the comment that we need to define Taiwan’s role as a player on the team, be it as a RB or a DB. Just can’t continue to occupy valuable roster spots on the RB depth chart and not have confidence to plug them in if needed in a pinch.
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It’s not like there’s a limit on RB roster spots, Reggie had 3 FB’s at one time this year. just need to determine if he can make the 53.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
I just think there are at least half a dozen other players on this team that are more disproportionately paid with regard to production than Carson.
Just give the man a chance with a decent running game. Complain about Huff or Kelly or DHB instead.
Besides, there’s no way we pay him $7 million or whatever not to play, so it’s a moot point.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Other players have been able to make the switch to corner. I always wondered if DHB could make that switch. Cant catch the ball maybe he can swat it away with those wheels and that length. Worth a try anyhow if he’s brought back cheap. Jones has to work to make the roster and it can’t just be about being a special teamer. Gotta produce.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
744.Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Teams find a way to keep good players. If someone emerges as an all pro we can’t just write them off for the future cuz they are too expensive.
Good players cost alot of money. You have to find a way to make it work.
Denver does it, New England does it, GB does it. They all have the same cap.
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They do it by not paying huge money to guys who don’t deserve it. Syymour, DHB, Kelly, McClain, etc
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Well Reggie will fix that this off season hopefully.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Palmer is a scrub qb now. Lets be real. Garbage time all star.. Pryor might not be the future.. but neither is Palmer. Trade him and get cap relief for this rebuilding team.
There is a reason why Bengals are actually better without him.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
It’s not like there’s a limit on RB roster spots, Reggie had 3 FB’s at one time this year. just need to determine if he can make the 53.
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Why hold down a spot for Jones if you know he’s not ready to be relied on in case of injury? How did Stewart jump past Jones from the PS? That’s not supposed to happen or else the wrong guy is on the PS.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
bresnahan lost den game? palmer had 3 ints and no pts in 2nd half!
Lions game palmer doesn’t connect with moore on first drive for td then cant connect with chaz to ice game
SD game he led raiders to a bunch of fgs….thays why we lost game too…..so just dont say it was bres….palmer sorry ass had a part in it too
Amd why was palmer on couch? He quit so that excuse doesnt fly
January 30th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Who in their right mind trades for Palmer’s contract though?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
NG…..you dont care about cincy days but i do! he quit and they made playoffs back to back…something he cant do ever
January 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Palmer is a scrub qb now. Lets be real. Garbage time all star..
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He’s a scrub now? I guess any QB would be scrub if garbage time is the criteria. The defense was a historically bad joke of a defense. Blame the defense for Palmer playing in garbage time. Not the QB.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
papertiger….he had his chance….guy is going on 34 with nada to show for it
January 30th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I can agree that DHB didn’t have a good year, but none of our receivers did. Denarius Moore and Rod Streater both had more drops that DHB, believe it or not (I didn’t at first). So are we just wanting to cut DHB because of his salary?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Guest123 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
sorry but dmac not getting traded….reggie knows that knapp zbs was against his skill set…….contract year….homeboy will play well
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And where will that leave Reggie going into 14? Shelling out a $100 mill contract on a foot sprain waiting to happen. You know DMC aint about hometown discounts. He wants the money. We need to scrimp and save on the RB pos and splurge on the linemen.
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Hopefully, we will find a way to draft RB Giovani Bernard to be DMC’s successor….
January 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Who in their right mind trades for Palmer’s contract though?
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Leave that to Reggie.. btw Reggie was stuck with Palmer.. im still curious on what kind of qb he would go after.. I know Reggie/ scouts spent the most time with Russell Wilson last year at the senior bowl… just had no picks.
Geno smith this year.. Has to be a hyprid of Russell wilson/ Aarron rodgers type
January 30th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
Personally, I think Jones is expendable. If you want a corner, go get a corner. Experiments are risky. If he had any real convincing ability as a running back, I think we would have seen it by now. Whether its fumblitis or a crummy attitude or lousy work ethic, whatever the reason, his coaches would rather pay him to sit than risk playing him. Even when the running game was in dire straits and Reece got the snaps he was never a viable option.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
palmer is a loser…a LOSER!…….losers quit when they’re supposed leaders ie CINCY
January 30th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
762.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
NG…..you dont care about cincy days but i do! he quit and they made playoffs back to back…something he cant do ever
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I was talking about I don’t care how good his stats were when he was in Cincy, because he hasn’t done crap since he came to the Raiders… did you read my whole post????
January 30th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Geno sucks, please let him fall to the Jest/Bills
January 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
768.
Agreed. Jones is as much a project as Pryor. Put them both on the roster bubble and make them earn a spot. Both imo should be longshots if Reggie can overhaul the roster this offseason with the draft and free agency. Time for experimentation is over. Leave the R&D for joke teams. It’s a new era
January 30th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
all you carson palmer apologists…..is carson palmer the type of qb to lead raiders to siper bowl?…..answer questions …yes or no…..please no what ifs
January 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Yeah, Taiwan Jones is another players that got absolutely no chance with DA/Knapp.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
my bad then NG…i read it wrong in context….so we agree…he fkin sux
January 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Al would have never traded for Palmer. Al was the only guy who was gonna go after Kaepnerick in the 2nd round.
Just sucks that Harbaugh was on to it as well and traded 10 picks up to get him.
It was actually andrew luck who turned harbaugh on to Kaepernick. Was with him at the manning academy.
Jason campbell was in the process of signing a 2 yrs extension as well..
January 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
ONLY way for Reggie to ROYALLY screw up this draft is picking a QB. He should trade down to somewhere in the teens or take the BPA at #3, whoever he thinks is best. But if he can pick up a 2nd round pick, or even parlay that 2nd rounder into a late first by tossing in DMAC, then do it Reggie. Be aggressive, be creative. Wheel and deal.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
744.Just Win Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Teams find a way to keep good players. If someone emerges as an all pro we can’t just write them off for the future cuz they are too expensive.
Good players cost alot of money. You have to find a way to make it work.
Denver does it, New England does it, GB does it. They all have the same cap.
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They do it by not paying huge money to guys who don’t deserve it. Syymour, DHB, Kelly, McClain, etc
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Well Reggie will fix that this off season hopefully.
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Why are you talking about the coming season? This forum is about whining about the moves of the past, and how bad all the salaries and draft picks were! Get with the program!
January 30th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Marks hair Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Sorry dr. You should have tuned in for the interview with da. I announced it like a hr early. Da said tp would indeed be given a chance to compete with carson for the starting qb spot. however, cp3 will be the #1 qb heading into camp .
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What all the TP worshipers forget to consider is there is probably going to be a 3rd QB in the mix. What if he turns out better than Pryor – then what? Open competition means no spot is safe including #2.
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And that 3rd (and maybe 4th) QB are going to be of the mold that Olson has a history of using in his offenses: savvy, strong armed pocket passers running NFL schemes, not college gimmick ball.
He has zero history of creating a running QB oriented system, so why would people think he’d be willing to do so around Pryor, an unproven outlier in skill set to what he prefers?
No, he will bring in more Palmer types to compete in the system that will be built around Palmer’s skills. Pryor will have to compete on the same playing field in that system. He will lose.
My bold prediction is that Jordan Palmer is one of the QBs brought into camp based on Olson’s familiarity with him from Jacksonville, his knowledge of the system he’ll be putting in place, and of course for another chance to work with big bro Carson.
That alone will be worth hearing the cries of anguish from the wave of the future crowd.
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
775.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
my bad then NG…i read it wrong in context….so we agree…he fkin sux
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I said earlier and I think you just reiterated it, this dude isn’t gonna win a super bowl for us, time to move on. imo. I’m not gonna straight bash him but honestly, it’s a what have you done for me lately league, and like you said. 8-16 isn’t getting it done.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
all you carson palmer apologists…..is carson palmer the type of qb to lead raiders to siper bowl?…..answer questions …yes or no…..please no what ifs
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ANS: NO
but more germaine to your question, are we close to colonizing the planet Mars anytime soon? no what ifs
January 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
You guys keep pretending it was the QB’s fault we sucked when we just had the worst defense in the franchises history.
Statistically Palmer was in the middle of the pack rating wise. How many drops did our receivers have? What kind of running game did we have?
Those aren’t excuses they are reality.
None of our WR’s even rank in the top 50 with the advanced stat analysis that measure those things…and you geniuses deduce that all we need is a shiny new QB and everything’s gonna be fine?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
peace out
January 30th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
kell….very disappointed with your comments toward me yesterday ….at least address me straight on and not wait til Im gone…alright
January 30th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
B@uce? What a dumb handle.
This is the idiot who said Gannon’s MVP year was a fraud cuz he didn’t go deep enuff. Shows u what he cares about. Not winning or production.
Hey b@uce. U have been losing ur whole life. I guess ur a loser.
Guys who talk wins and losses as a qb stay are just football ignorant.
No better than a housewife. “I like that Tom Brady. He’s a winner.”
So dumb.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
You guys keep pretending it was the QB’s fault we sucked when we just had the worst defense in the franchises history.
Statistically Palmer was in the middle of the pack rating wise. How many drops did our receivers have? What kind of running game did we have?
Those aren’t excuses they are reality.
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and the reality is he is not the future qb and is sucking up the cap big time..
January 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
You guys are supposed to be smarter than some sports bar lame azz who stuffs his face with chicken wings, barely watches the game then looks up at the TV and sees the Raiders lost and then farts and belches and exclaims “Palmer sucks”.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I dont think there is a debate as to who is the better QB.
There are other factors like contract, team plans, etc..
This team isnt a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old QB away from the playoffs.
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Exactly. I made a similar point the other day. Are we or are we not rebuilding? That answer should be the answer to whether or not we roll with Pryor.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
I dont think there is a debate as to who is the better QB.
There are other factors like contract, team plans, etc..
This team isnt a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old QB away from the playoffs.
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Exactly.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
786.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
You guys keep pretending it was the QB’s fault we sucked when we just had the worst defense in the franchises history.
Statistically Palmer was in the middle of the pack rating wise. How many drops did our receivers have? What kind of running game did we have?
Those aren’t excuses they are reality.
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and the reality is he is not the future qb and is sucking up the cap big time..
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I agree with you on that. I’m just protesting the simple “Palmer sucks we need a new QB” knee jerk reactions when we lose.
I’m not a “Palmer worshipper” but we need to be realistic and keep in mind the glaring issues that face the team.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
Flacco and kaepernick both suck cuz “they never won nothin”. After Sunday, one will still suck and one will be great.
That’s the moronic view of many in here.
Guess what? U ain’t a Super Bowl winner until u are.
If Palmer wins one for the raiders, u will all have to kill ur selves to save ur families from (further) embarrassment.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
On one side of their mouth the Palmer apologists tout his 4,000 yds passing, On the other side of their mouth they blame the Receivers who caught those 4,000 yds of passes for Palmer not being able to win.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
787.DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
You guys are supposed to be smarter than some sports bar lame azz who stuffs his face with chicken wings, barely watches the game then looks up at the TV and sees the Raiders lost and then farts and belches and exclaims “Palmer sucks”.
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LOL, FML that was good.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
a scout said when we traded for Palmer that he was a front runner and if he doesnt have pro bowl WRs he wont be successful….sometimes you wont have the best wrs but you gotta get job done
January 30th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Djjohnny–that know-nothing dummy is exactly who these clowns are.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Who’s to blame for pryor’s 46% and 150 yards? And his LOSS?
Can’t have it both ways dummies.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
a scout said when we traded for Palmer that he was a front runner and if he doesnt have pro bowl WRs he wont be successful….sometimes you wont have the best wrs but you gotta get job done
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Lot of ppl hv to do their job before qb can do his. If ur oline sucks, you are hosed. all she wrote.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Isn’t it funny that the clan and apartheid Africa and the nazis were always (justifiably) vilified for claiming if a person had one drop of black blood, they were black.
But missdick claims the same with kaepernick, so he can swing from his nuts.
Kaepernick isn’t white or black. He’s a man. Missdick can’t handle that.
(Or maybe he’s a “hybrid”, and that’s why he runs the “hybrid” offense so well!)
Any way u take it, he’s the best player in the Super Bowl. And an icon for how it doesn’t matter where u come from. A New American. And I’m rooting for him cuz he seems pretty cool.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Who’s to blame for pryor’s 46% and 150 yards? And his LOSS?
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Inexperience, Rust, Lack of Reps…….
January 30th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
kaepernick and flacco have at least doubled Palmer’s playoff win totals…which is exactly ZERO
January 30th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
some of yu guys are total idiots. you put wins on a qb? you put losses on a qb? or the coach? GTFOH w that stupid cheeet. post somewhere else. ur wasting my time.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
On one side of their mouth the Palmer apology tour tout his 4,000 yds passing, On the other side of their mouth they blame the Receivers who caught those 4,000 yds of passes for Palmer not being able to win.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
On one side of their mouth the Palmer apology tour tout his 4,000 yds passing, On the other side of their mouth they blame the Receivers who caught those 4,000 yds of passes for Palmer not being able to win.
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nother idiot with head up his KK. hey moron, go read football for dummies, then come back.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Gannon didnt deserve that mvp……steve mcnair did…..he carried team on his back….gannon didnt carry the team
January 30th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Danielle’s 78……qbs won loss record is always taking into account lol……everyone knows this except you and robertaMR
January 30th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
kaepernick and flacco have at least doubled Palmer’s playoff win totals…which is exactly ZERO
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so who would u hv? campbell? brooks?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
On one side of their mouth the Palmer apology tour tout his 4,000 yds passing, On the other side of their mouth they blame the Receivers who caught those 4,000 yds of passes for Palmer not being able to win.
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lmao yup. They dont talk in circles. shhh dont ruin their agenda
January 30th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Danielle’s 78……qbs won loss record is always taking into account lol……everyone knows this except you and robertaMR
——————————————————————-no it isn’t. only fr those slow posters who need the stat because their other comments are weak. kind of like urs. no shame in being weak.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
qb calls the plays …has his hands on ball virually every snap…he is leader of team!….yes you put it on qb in a qb league lol
January 30th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Perfect example of where a QB did his job but his receivers dropped the balls thrown to them was the first Seattle/Niner game in SF. Golden Tate had 2 dropped passes, Turbin dropped a pass that would have went for a td, and a couple of others. The score was only 13-6. Golden Tate’s drop was for a first down.
However, and its sad that it still is, the QB gets the wins and losses, but I do see the other factors!
And before you say Niner D, those drops had nothing to do with it…isn’t it believed that if the ball hits your hands, you have to catch it? Just saying…
January 30th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Gannon didnt deserve that mvp……steve mcnair did…..he carried team on his back….gannon didnt carry the team
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u r stupid, arent u? every plyr on the team said gannon was the undisputed ldr. I see u cap on white qb’s, while sucking on black qb’s. let me guess. ur not white?
January 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
yeah merril hoge….rod woodson…michael irvin…marshall faulk….Ron jaworski…and all nfl analysts are weak…..good one Danielle78
January 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
man why is everyone hating on pryor after 1 game? what were Carson Palmer’s stats his first game for the raiders? didn’t he throw like 4 picks in 1 half of play? and then 3 ints the next game?
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Palmer also played at a Pro Bowl Level for 9 years before that lst game here. And he wasn’t supposed to go into that game. Jackson threw him in. That’s a big difference from a guy who really had no accuracy, poor mechanics, and poor decision making at the collegiate level, who 32 teams passed on repeatedly. And then he goes in a game and we see why 32 teams passed on him repeatedly.
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Carson Palmer made the pro bowl 2 times in 9 years…so obviously he didn’t play at a pro bowl level for 9 years..Pryor had a 60+% completion in college and teams passed on him because it was the supplemental draft…no one goes high in a supplemental draft…he had off the field issues and was suspended for the first 6 games before he was even drafted..that’s y teams passed on him…not because he couldnt play. and carson palmer has shown poor decision making plenty of times in the nfl…So thats not a good argument either. poor mechanics yea. But his mechanics weren’t that bad in his first start after not playing any significant time in games OR practices for 2+ years.
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Actually this is just a really bad response. Palmer did not play at all his lst year, and was hurt in his fifth. So, Prior to coming here he was selected a Pro Bowl Q twice in his lst 6 years that he qualified. That’s pretty good.
As for your argument that teams passed on Pryor because of the supplemental draft, that is just plain silly, Josh Gordon was just taken in the second round last year. Ahmad Brooks was taken in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft.
As for your argument that Palmer makes poor decisions, tell that to Brett Favre or Peyton Manning who’s last INT cost his team a shot at the Super Bowl.
Bottom line, if Davis did not overpay and take a swing at Pryor in the 3rd, he probably would have gone no higher than 5th or 6th, and even then as a WR project not a Q.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
– “I’d put it like this, if you put Ray Lewis in the Oakland locker room, probably a good 20 people wouldn’t be on that team, because pf the way Ray runs his ship, and manning up the guys. In Oakland the guys weren’t like that I mean, I’m not going to call no names, but the high guys you’re supposed to put the position on, they weren’t leaders, you talk a good game but they weren’t playing a good game. Ray does that. That was more of the thing that was wrong with Oakland, they were getting guys that didn’t love the game.”
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Wow.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
JWB, true but 4.2 speed does make it worth considering…yes? Kid took to gunner pretty quick and well I might add…
January 30th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
And not ripping on anyone, just my opinion!
January 30th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
qb calls the plays …has his hands on ball virually every snap…he is leader of team!….yes you put it on qb in a qb league lol
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stfu now. dumbest comment of the day. easily. only an idiot, or a nonfan would say you put it all on the qb. if u need that explained, u need to stfu now. u cant even grasp basic football.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Whoever said that Pryor fell in the draft because it was the sup draft are dead wrong.
Before TP, there were 6 QB’s taken in the sup draft. EVERYONE OF THEM WERE 1ST ROUND PICKS.
I don’t want Carson back, and am tentative about TP getting handed the keys, but I must stress he was not a top-flight QB prospect coming out of the draft that some people want to make him out to be. Heck, when he had his Pro Day half the league didn’t even show up!!!
He was a rich mans Joe Webb.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
yeah merril hoge….rod woodson…michael irvin…marshall faulk….Ron jaworski…and all nfl analysts are weak…..good one Danielle78
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wat r u talkin about
January 30th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
i never said gannon wasnt the leader but his sqiad was far more stacked than mcnair’s who started 1-4 that year….no im not white…but why does my skin tone matter?…. you seem to be scrambling
January 30th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
If you aren’t talking wins and losses, then all you can look at is stats, and you don’t have enough stats on pryor to compare to Palmer. YOu can pick and choose whatever you like from his ONNE game as a starter. A lot of haters are talking about his 46% completions and 150 yds, forgetting about the 3TD to 1TO ratio (and that TO wasn’t a fumble in our own red zone… or a int while we were in the other teams red zone… how about th 53% 3rd down efficiency? so we converted more third downs that not…or how about 3/3 in the red zone converting TDS. is that not important to you people? does that not constitute solid qb play? I said it right after the game and I’ll reiterate, Terry bradshaw threw the ugliest ball i’ve ever seen, 4 time super bowl champ and hall of famer. all of Pyors “floaters” were caught by the receiver with room to run. it’s called leading the receiver to an open spot. It doesn’t have to look pretty. how about our two top WRs both getting TDs, when was the last time that happened? looking at one lpart of the stats sheet and not taking the whole of the game into context is stupid.
January 30th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Danielle…you cant keep up?…..stop looking at the oprah winfrey channel ma’am ……you said only weak ppl use qb win loss record…those names im referring todo it all the time as do most people!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Green Bay was schit until Favre got there.
Indy was schit until Manning got there.
Denver was schit until Manning got there.
Thats what great QB’s do. Palmer is not a great QB. Especially at 13 million.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Danielle 78 id like to see you try and make me shut up lmao
January 30th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
You absolutely judge a QB on his ability to win. What planet are we on?
Yes, in one season you can catch lighting in a bottle and what not, but over multiple years, the QB will be the same and there will be moving parts every where. Tom Brady has probably had almost 40 different guys start on the O-line for him over the years.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Im glad the nfl dosnt hv their heads up their ass like some here.
go check out qb ratings.
wr ratings.
see who is listed as the #1 rb in the league.
NO WHERE ON ANY PAGE THT SHOWS BST O OR BEST D, OR BEST QB, TACKLER, SACK LDR DOES IT SHOW WON LOSS.
GET IT NOW, MORONS?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
glenny!…….good point about peyton and farve….two qbs who won a title and are first ballot hof qbs..
good post lmao
January 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Palmer leaves his former team and they get better.
Palmer quit on his team. No way is that a leader PERIOD. Say what you want about ownership.. he quit on the team while making millions.
he is set for life. He is content one way or another how the raiders season plays out. Give it to someone who is hungrier. Not saying its pryor. .draft a young guy looking to make it.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
I remember my favorite thing about Rich Gannon was the story of him taking the Billiard balls in the team facility and putting them on top of his locker.
Ideal thing for us would be if Seymour would do the same thing, take any kind of games (Pool, PS3, etc…) and lay down a playbook or some boxing gloves. If they want the games back, pick up the gloves and take em back.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Forget TP’s stats and what not, but what about that ridiculous mistake to not get OOB before the end of the first half?
Unacceptable for a High School QB to make that mistake.
We lost by 3, so that play pretty much cost us the football game.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
kell…is palmer even a good qb?
vegas…..we asking too much ya know….we asking for a qb to lead team to wins lol
January 30th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Danielle 78 id like to see you try and make me shut up lmao
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simple logic wll shut ur sorryass up, easy enuff.
btw, u jus proved hw easy u r. means u hv nothing in reply so ur reduced to the above whine
January 30th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
When you go to Pro Football reference, for the QB they break down his W-L per team, per season, and for his career.
They don’t do it for any other position.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
glenny!…….good point about peyton and farve….two qbs who won a title and are first ballot hof qbs..
good post lmao
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Thank you Doofus Boob.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
vegas…..we asking too much ya know….we asking for a qb to lead team to wins lol
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You know I bashed Soup and thought Carson would be better.
He hasn’t been.
As soon as things go wrong, you see any piss and vinegar from Carson? Nope, he just stares at the ground.
It was refreshing to see someone like TP play, who clearly gave a crap.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Raiders all day …..i agree….dump palmer….sign a vet for cheap and draft that baylor qb(wjo is white for all those who think we only want blk qbs)….have them battle with pryor for starter ….simple
January 30th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
doofus boob?….kell did you not catch sarcasm in that post ?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Outside of Geno Smith, nobody in this draft class excites me much.
Major bummer Aaron Murray didn’t come out this year.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Danielle…you cant keep up?…..stop looking at the oprah winfrey channel ma’am ……you said only weak ppl use qb win loss record…those names im referring todo it all the time as do most people
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no they dont u ignorant clod. thts all u got? get ur ass outta here, idiot. when they talk about best defense in the league? wat do they use? won loss, or yards given up?
best qb? won loss or yds, comp % td/int ratio? comeon moron, figure it out
January 30th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
How about QB rating in playoff games, lol
January 30th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Yes but how much would that strap us this year! For 13 million, I agree, not worth it, but where do we go from there??? Draft that Baylor QB, or just throw Pryor out there til next year?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Green Bay was schit until Favre got there.
Indy was schit until Manning got there.
Denver was schit until Manning got there.
Thats what great QB’s do. Palmer is not a great QB. Especially at 13 million.
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Uh, actually Green Bay had a decent run game. Indy had Marshall Faulk and then Edgerrin James and were a good running team. The Bronco’s were the best run team in the league before Manning got there, and were middle of the pack this year. But some ignorant fans seem to blame the Q when his run game is the worst in the league. Ignorant fans who deserve to lose.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Klay Thompson is another floor-looker, and it drives me crazy. Dorrelle Wright was one as well.
Great to see Klay assert himself last night.
We can make the Western Conference finals, IMO
January 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Oh yeah, forgot about Geno, but at #3? I don’t see Reggie doing it, but you never know!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
glenny!…….good point about peyton and farve….two qbs who won a title and are first ballot hof qbs..
good post lmao
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2 jr fans. both teams were rebuilding and getting a good qb ws missing. did montana win a sb with chiefs? lmao at u two holding hands ovr that stupid comment
January 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Vegas….that shows alot of spine to admit that ….for all Jcamp issues he still was better in oakland than palmer
Ya know I noticed 2011 vs the fins palmer displayed no emotion or fire wjile we got scraped. He never does….just this zack morris save by the bell I cant surf today look on his face
January 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Klay Thompson is another floor-looker, and it drives me crazy. Dorrelle Wright was one as well.
Great to see Klay assert himself last night.
We can make the Western Conference finals, IMO
Yeah its possible…but that depends on Curry, IMHO!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Joe Montana was the last chief QB to win a playoff game though isn’t he?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Did the idiot b@uce just say qb’s call the plays?
They “touch” the ball almost every play?
Except on defense and special teams. And they hand the ball off half the offensive plays. Ur an idiot. A qb is responsible for pass plays. And those plays include receivers and play calling (from the coach u moron).
This guy is a joke.
Any idiot who puts wins and losses on a qb doesn’t even understand the first thing about football.
Wins and losses are in a head coach. Everything else is deflated down the line.
How do u walk outside without getting hit by a car?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
LOL, B at the Zach Morris comment!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Montana playoff wins in kc while palmer none…..oh ueah….Montana s chiefs went to playoffs back to back seasons….thanks for playing dumbass
January 30th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
You know what, that is where it should be, on the HC!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I mean Soup was no world beater by any means. But dudes rallied around him.
Plus he actually sold the hell out of the play fakes. Carson just half-azzes all of them, and I think that plays into som of our inabilities to run the ball better, O-line blocking, etc.
I mean sometimes he just sticks the ball out, and it isn’t even close. It’s like a reverse play-fake, he is tipping his hand IMMEDIATELY.
Fkn loser………….Can Carson!!!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
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And Christopher Key, the SWATS co-owner, told ESPN’s Joe Schad on Wednesday he personally witnessed about five Alabama players spray what he sold them into their mouths.
“I showed them how to use it,” Key said.
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Ha Ha, Old Troll KrappyRat now thinks Brian the Genital is also Norco Bob?
Sorry old fool, but that is some totally hilarious senility, shout out to 2 Live Krew
How’re you holding up this off season, anyway? Can’t be a good time for you without football, listings or a fresh pair of blue jeans
No worries, Old Nerd. The Beeech Dawg is here to keep it real on the blog. Always GOTS to keep it real 4 sho
RASTA GANJA BRINGIN’ THE REGGAE FUNK, MON
January 30th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Carson doesnt give an f anymore thats why.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
B@uce (dumbest handle ever) thinks a guy that ran for 3.3 ypc while every other back on the team ran for over 4, is the best player on the team. Not the guy who was on pace for 4600 yards and 26 Tds.
And Campbell was “better” cuz his team won more.
Truly moronic.
Of course, this is the “raider fan” who thinks McNair (black–what a surprise) should have had Gannon’s MVP.
What a dick.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
robertaMR…every offensive play…wjo relays plays to huddle?…..who touches ball and yells out schit when lined up?…….dummy lol
January 30th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Vegas….that shows alot of spine to admit that ….for all Jcamp issues he still was better in oakland than palmer
Ya know I noticed 2011 vs the fins palmer displayed no emotion or fire wjile we got scraped. He never does….just this zack morris save by the bell I cant surf today look on his face
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That is the best description of that look on Palmer’s face I’ve heard.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Palmer is a quitter.. and not a leader. He is a sandlot quarterback
January 30th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Palmer is the king of check cashers. Must end on the raiders. Make an example
January 30th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
vegas….warriors bout to cause major problems in west playoffs
January 30th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Desmond Bryant is the best player on the team, IMO.
Nobody continually did his job better than him.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Every weakling here immediately calls someone MR or a cross poster whenever they’re confused. MR must have beaten u down pretty bad chump.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Poor Carson Palmer.
After sustaining a nasty hit from Carolina Panthers linebacker Greg Hardy last week, Oakland Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer left the game with cracked ribs (as in more than one) and a bruised lung. Needless to say, he won’t be playing the regular season finale this weekend against the San Diego Chargers, finishing the season with 4,018 yards passing (most since 2007), 22 touchdowns, 14 interceptions and a passer rating of 85.3 (also highest since 2007).
Palmer signed a four-year deal with the Raiders that goes through 2016, however the final two seasons are voidable. According to National Football Post, the Raiders may be looking beyond Palmer for their quarterback needs.
Word out of Oakland is Carson Palmer’s rib and lung injuries may be even worse than reported. In part because of the injury, some of the big dogs in Oakland are saying they don’t expect Palmer to return in 2013. That will put the Raiders squarely in the middle of what looks to be a very mediocre quarterback market.
Poor Carson Palmer, indeed. Let’s let bygones be bygones and hope for a full recovery and if not with the Raiders, some measured success with his newest really awful team.
http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/12/28/3811638/nfp-carson-palmer-may-be-out-of-oakland-after-this-year
January 30th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Desmond bryant, Lammar houston, Marcel reece.. best players on the team. all better then carson
January 30th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
im general a head coach is linked to jis qb and vice versa….thank you robertaMR lol….too easy …you walked into that one
January 30th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Soup didn’t throw for as many yards, but I imagine his TD-to-turnover ratio was better than Palmers’, and QBR is prob pretty close.
If I had more time I would look it up.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
And yet Pryor praises Palmer and says he loves him. An example to u know-nothing idiot bigots.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Houston and bryant i like….reece is whatever…just make him oir bruiser at rb behind dmac
January 30th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
No dummy. Lots of coaches got fired this season for losing. But the qb’s are still there.
Are u gonna tell Vick was the reason for the eagles sucking, u coward?
Bet u have an excuse for the black guy don’t ya punk?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
robertaMR…amd if pryor trashed palmer whay would you say then?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Lol best QB we have had since Gannon, and in the top 5-6 QBs in franchise history talent-wise and you people hate him.
Go cut off your nose to spite your face why don’t ya?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Oh man, what a surprise to cruise into the blog and see Nob Bust in the middle of many hilarious humiliations
NOT
Friends/Fans of the Beeeech Diggity Dawg, you have my permission to enjoy a few free backhands on the reigning, defending Blog Punching Punching Bag
But remember to stay in line like that scene in Airplane
No, not the ones where the fog is getting thicker and Leon’s getting larger
DANG FOOLS, REPRESENT
January 30th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
A qb passes the ball. He’s directlyinvolved in about 25% of his teams plays. And on those, he’s a third if the equation. This is how dumb housewives think. Even most of those are smarter than b@uce, who includes a non-letter in his name. U are “b-at-uce”. So dumb it hurts.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
bill walsh~joe montana….bart starr and Vince lombardi……elway shanahan…aikman and jimmy….bradshaw and knoll…..brady and bilechek ….griese and shula…….just stop robertaMR….hows Sac treatin ya?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
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January 30th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Raiders all day …..i agree….dump palmer….sign a vet for cheap and draft that baylor qb
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Stupid. Now you know why the Raiders have been losers for 20+ years.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
If say Pryor was a dumb punk like u.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Palmer is a scrub who is on his way out. He is not a leader. the secret is out. Ask Marvin lewis about Carson..
team got better w/o him and his diva like demands
January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
I’d
January 30th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
vick?….cuz im blk i like vick? he isnt a qb just like scam
January 30th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Stupid. Now you know why the Raiders have been losers for 20+ years
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cuz they have drafted a qb worth a shyyt. we know
January 30th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
lol glenny and with palmer we are winners and have stopped the losing?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I live in Sunnyvale u clown.
Elway? Great example retard. His coach (reeves) was dumped but he wasn’t, cuz they knew he had talent. It took a good coach and a great running attack to win with elway.
Did u graduate high school? Bet not.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
robertaMR…offensively speaking….qb is always involved u fkin idiot
January 30th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
told ya. simple logic shut b@uce da mouse up. easy peezy.
notice u had nothing on my comment bout best qb, wr, rb. CUZ ITS NOT BOUT W/L.
repeat, no where does it list w/l.
Ever hear of a guy named marcus allen? went with montana to kc, moron. team needed both. got comeback plyr of year,
u don’t hv a clue, do u?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
elway went to 3 sbs with reeves and won playoff games….how many playoff games has palmer won
January 30th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Palmer hasnt even won as many playoff games as TEBOW
January 30th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
of COURSE the qb is involved. thts not wat u said. u said it’s all on the qb. dont start lying. ezy to expose liars.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
The qb hands the ball off. Should he be blamed for a poor running attack cuz he touched it? Stupid.
He isn’t on the field for defense or special teams. Dummy.
On pass plays, he depends on a good play call from the OC (u think the qb calls the play!), and he needs receivers to run good routes, get open, and catch it.
Housewives look at the cover boy qb. Just like u. U must follow ur crush.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Danielle 78…firsy off you comment was too dumb to respond too….we talking qbs here…wonning qbs at that..
carson doesnt win or have you been stuck in the john giving fellatio to whoever walks in?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
As the Oakland Raiders prepare for another desperate off-season, they need to decide who their leader will be: Terrelle Pryor or Carson Palmer?
The majority of Raider Nation can answer that without even thinking about it, Pryor should be the projected starter going into next year. Palmer’s career will always be remembered for the statistics that he made, but he could not be the one to count on when a game is close. He is now a failed experiment and should ride the bench for the 2013 season.
Pryor proved in the last game of the Raiders season that he has the potential to compete with other teams in the NFL. The problem is that the Raider team as a whole is still a long way away from being actual contenders, so they will have to make some smart moves in the off-season. This means becoming better in the draft, picking up cheap but good players, and learning how to let go of over-paid players on the current roster.
So what should happen to the quarterback depth chart chart?
So far we have Pryor starting going into training camp, Palmer is basically the quarterbacks coach, so who is number three?
Trade. Bring in Michael Vick, Alex Smith, or Matt Flynn as competition for Pryor. If that “wild card” spot earns the start, then you start him. Russell Wilson is the perfect example of a player earning his spot, and the Raiders need to let their leader earn it, not just give the fans what they want.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/01/29/oakland-raiders-carson-palmer-or-terrelle-pryor-as-the-starting-quarterback/?jQPRedCxKTzgoZ6w.99
January 30th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Palmer Morris just doesnt care anymore. Garbage time all star.. and his qbr rating is horrible
January 30th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I live in Sunnyvale u clown.
Elway? Great example retard. His coach (reeves) was dumped but he wasn’t, cuz they knew he had talent. It took a good coach and a great running attack to win with elway.
Did u graduate high school? Bet not.
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Don’t argue with Nob Bust, the highly respected football guru!
After all, the little nerd coaches flag football at the local park in Sunnyvale
Mad props to anyone who lugs that trash can full of flags out of the maintenance shed twice a day, big ups
January 30th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
convo is reduced to idiots. bbl wen iq picks up
January 30th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
yes its all on the qb…players play and who leads the players on field? tje qb you moron…..al pacino in thay movie said what about a quarterback? He is the guy who takes the fall!….nut not with you…nooooo just excuses
January 30th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
It’s like a band. Screaming teen aged girls look at the pretty boy singer. True music fans appreciate the voice but also listen to the various instruments, who wrote the song, who wrote the lyrics, who produced the record,etc.
Ur a football version teeny bopper chic.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
lol glenny and with palmer we are winners and have stopped the losing?
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Name one Q who had the worst run game in the league and one of the worst defenses in the league and the worst WR corp in the league and posted a winning record. I will wait.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
@Follow the B@uceman
C’Mon B@uce there are times when a QB doesn’t get credit for the wins and losses…This year. Christian Ponder, not giving that dude credit for the Vikings making the playoffs, dude was almost the reason they didn’t make it.
Trent Dilfer and the Ravens?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
NFL – Palmer Extends Int Streak to 9 Games
From Elias: Carson Palmer was intercepted by Champ Bailey in the first quarter of Thursday’s game against the Broncos. Palmer has been picked off in each of his last nine games, which is the longest active streak in the NFL. The last Raiders QB with an interception in as many consecutive games in a season was Jay Schroeder (9 straight in 1989).
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Lol! Qb’s take the fall! Yes idiot. Football people say that cuz they’re talking about dumb fans think. He’s lamenting the fact! And u took it to heart. Poor teeny bopper.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
palmer blew it…he had his chance….week 9 vs bucs…..threw critical int when we coulda got to 500……from 3-4 to 3-10…..nope not his fault
January 30th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
yes its all on the qb…players play and who leads the players on field? tje qb you moron….
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Anyone who has actually EVER been around a football team at any level knows the offensive line leads the football team. A perfect example of that was in this last National Championship Game when McCarron got in Barret Jones face and Jones shoved him pretty good. Did you see anyone come up to Jones? No. Why, they all knew you don’t get in your leaders face.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Yo, the Beeeech Diggity is tracking his hot new demo on the 4 Track and these joints are sounding HELLA TIGHT
Got one about sticking my weiner bareback style into a bunch of drunk hizzies, and another one about throwing down mad gang signs when I rolled with the Inglewood Eagles
Fly high, fallen homies
Yo, got so pumped I decided to take a hot bubble bath, slip into my jammies and watch Night Rider on G4
Kit is hella fly but Michael Knight is a total wuss. Although he’d easily beat Nob Bust in a french kissing contest
GOTS TO MAKE ROOM FOR MY UPCOMING GRAMMY AWARD
January 30th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
palmer blew it…he had his chance….week 9 vs bucs…..threw critical int when we coulda got to 500……from 3-4 to 3-10…..nope not his fault
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We were 3-4. And Richard Seymour went out. And the team then went 1-8. But you hate him too. Shows you what you know.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
dilfers team was 5-4 then went on run…he didnt lose game for team….Dutch …even if palmer isnt bad…is je good?….do we have our perrenial playoff qb?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
NFL – Palmer Extends Int Streak to 9 Games
From Elias: Carson Palmer was intercepted by Champ Bailey in the first quarter of Thursday’s game against the Broncos. Palmer has been picked off in each of his last nine games, which is the longest active streak in the NFL. The last Raiders QB with an interception in as many consecutive games in a season was Jay Schroeder (9 straight in 1989).
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When you can’t run, and the other team knows it, that means you have to throw. And the other team knows it.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
We all know beech doesn’t know or follow football. But he’s proving how stupid he really is.
I tell u guts I’m a high school coach.
Predictably, and lamely, he says over and over that I’m a pop Warner coach. But he talks about flags. And he thinks it’s going on now.
He’s like those dorks on the commercials who “learn” football on their phones so they can converse with coworkers without seeming stupid.
Keep reading beech. Ur not there yet.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Seymour was done since he got hurt mid year 2010….glenny wtf are you talking about? thank god he is gonna be gone
January 30th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
898.Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
lol glenny and with palmer we are winners and have stopped the losing?
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Name one Q who had the worst run game in the league and one of the worst defenses in the league and the worst WR corp in the league and posted a winning record. I will wait.
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Palmer is not on the level of Manning, or Brady, or Rodgers etc, but he can win in the NFL.
He needs a decent run game and WRs who do not drop so many passes, and an o-line that will give him time, and a defense that will not allow TDs every time he turns the ball over.
Is Palmer perfect? Far from it. Can we get a better QB for the next few seasons? Doubtful.
If some of you think Pryor is the answer, then you should stop breeding.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
convo is reduced to idiots. bbl wen iq picks up
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Yo D78, cruise back soon to catch Nob’s impending MELTDOWN
Poor nerd is teetering at the edge of the cliff now, going to wait a little while until I give him that final push
And bring them spicy jalapenos, WHUT WHUT
January 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
@ Dr Dumbass,
Raiders coach Dennis Allen: Carson Palmer will have competition
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
Raiders coach Dennis Allen: Carson Palmer will have competition
By John Breech | CBSSports.com
January 24, 2013 7:18 pm ET
QB Carson Palmer won’t just be handed the starter’s keys next season, Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. (US Presswire)
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer threw for 4,018 yards and 22 touchdowns in 2012, but that doesn’t mean coach Dennis Allen is going to just hand the starting job to Palmer next year. Allen told the NFL Network on Thursday that Palmer can expect to have some competition at quarterback.
“We’re going to have some competition at that position,” Allen said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “The more competition that you can create, the better your football team is going to be. We’re going to look at that as we’re moving forward, but I feel good about Carson.”
Allen also said that he thought Palmer “did an outstanding job for us last year.”
Palmer’s competition would presumably be Terrelle Pryor, who made his lone start of 2012 in the Raiders’ regular season finale, a 24-21 loss to San Diego. Pryor accounted for all three Oakland touchdowns in the game, throwing for two and rushing for one. The former Ohio State quarterback also threw for 150 yards and ran for 49 in the loss to the Chargers.
“Terrelle did some nice things in the final game of the season last year,” Allen said. “So it will be interesting to see how he does as we move forward.”
Whoever ends up winning the Raiders’ quarterback job can plan on at least one thing: handing the ball off to Darren McFadden more. “That’s one of the things we’re going to look at when we get back to Oakland, is we’re really going to look at the thing Darren McFadden does really well,” Allen said. “And we’re going to ask him to do those things as much as possible.”
Palmer and Pryor will be working with new offensive coordinator Greg Olson, who was hired on Jan. 19.
For more NFL news, rumors and analysis, follow @EyeOnNFL on Twitter, subscribe to ourRSS Feed, watch Pro Football 360 daily at 3 p.m. ET and NFL newsletter. You can also follow John Breech @JohnBreech.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Classic ignorant Raider fans. lst off, they take a guy who has led the league in accuracy, and yet, somehow, miraculously, he can’t play now that he is here. Then you take another guy, who has NEVER EVER been accurate in his life, yet somehow, MIRACULOUSLY, he is going to turn into Joe Montana in a matter of weeks. It boggles the mind really……
January 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
the oline leads the team? oh sjoot glenny…thanks for that….i guess i was wrong …when in huddle that LT sure relays the play…I get it
January 30th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
even if robertaMR was a pop warner coach…thats still rather cool
January 30th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Seymour was done since he got hurt mid year 2010….glenny wtf are you talking about? thank god he is gonna be gone
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I just state facts. Not my opinion. Fact.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
lmao….glenny….you stoll think 2005-2006 palmer is in oakland huh?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
the oline leads the team? oh sjoot glenny…thanks for that….i guess i was wrong …when in huddle that LT sure relays the play…I get it
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Obviously you have never played the game. Not dissing ya, just saying the facts.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Did beech just talk about David hasselhoff being a better kisser than me?
Wow. I knew he was vehemently defending Kane Harris yesterday. And I knew he begged for my attention daily. But I had no idea he was into me like that.
Ur right beech. I’m no David hasselhoff. Ur welcome to keep beating off in ur bubble bath to him. Leave me out if it.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
If some of you think Pryor is the answer, then you should stop breeding.
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Dakota, I never breed, so I’m good. You on the other hand……………;-)
January 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
lmao….glenny….you stoll think 2005-2006 palmer is in oakland huh?
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No. I think McFadden is on the 2012 Raider team.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Dakota aka Mullet Millionaire……how come Palmer has won in nfl then?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
palmer blew it…he had his chance….week 9 vs bucs…..threw critical int when we coulda got to 500……from 3-4 to 3-10…..nope not his fault
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What an odd person. I don’t remember that play at all, all I remember is every time I looked up from my beer some short little no-name RB was scampering for a 70 yard TD.
I guess it was Carson’s fault for not being a better tackler!
Pssstt… didn’t we score 32 points that game?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
glenny….no justin farglass?
January 30th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
906.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
dilfers team was 5-4 then went on run…he didnt lose game for team….Dutch …even if palmer isnt bad…is je good?….do we have our perrenial playoff qb?
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Sorry, I was arguing the the other side of the point you were making, that crap QBs don’t always get credit for the win-lose record. Nobody thinks of Trent Dilfer or Ponder as good QBs and shouldn’t get credit for their teams success.
No Carson Palmer isn’t elite, not going to lead us to a Super Bowl, is he really that bad? IMO, no. Could he accomplish what Brett Favre did with the Vikings his first year with a dynamic running game, IMO, yes.
Now I want to see how the Cap situation works out, before I get all angry that Palmer is going to ruin our chance of signing FA talent. In the sense I see Palmer restructering his contract. Palmer not worth +$13M….
And to Finish I say, “F” Gregg Knapp…
January 30th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Ha Ha, sure Nob – we all believe you coach high school football
Too funny, Nerd. Seriously, that tops them all. Almost (there have been a lot of awesome knee slappers)
Of course a well respected high school coach spends 18 hrs a day getting run over by nerds and dorks in a football blog. Makes total sense.
Me and my Blog Brahs would have an easier time believing you’re Andrew Bogut
Who, for obvious reasons, would probably also get run over my nerds and dorks in the football blog. Remember, he’s Australian
FLY HIGH, FALLEN EAGLES. FLY HIGH …
January 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
whoa…gdog…..you seem like a nice guy…if you dont remember that play then dont comment my friend
January 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Kell–don’t read the headline. That’s written by the writer. Read the quotes. Palmers the guy. Pryor will “compete”. And they’ll be another guy “competing” too.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Dutch…..knapp is sich a loser…he sucked life outta team and stadiim…worse year ever
January 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
oh i didnt play game? lol not since i was 15…..but i never remembered a olineman leading huddle lol
January 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
oh i didnt play game? lol not since i was 15…..but i never remembered a olineman leading huddle lol
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Not leading the huddle, leading the team.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
922.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Dakota aka Mullet Millionaire……how come Palmer has won in nfl then?
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Won what? Is Marino not good because he never “won the SB”?
GTFOH
You damned well know that Palmer has played on two schyt teams. The Bungholes….the perpetual losers, and then the Raiders with their record setting losing ways.
And besides that, Palmer took the Bungholes to the playoffs a couple of times, which, in the AFC North, is a difficult thing to do.
Right now he is surrounded by garbage players and coaches. He is the least of our concerns.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
glenny….do you think the left tackle sometimes audibles to a run play and the qb better get on jis page. I bet the olinemen take the qb out and nuy him gifts and schit huh
January 30th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
“We’re going to have some competition at that position,” Allen said via the San Francisco Chronicle. “The more competition that you can create, the better your football team is going to be. We’re going to look at that as we’re moving forward, but I feel good about Carson.”
January 30th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
glenny….no justin farglass?
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haha. Actually Farglass was better than McFadden which was why the coaches used him in place of McFadden. And if we had Farglass this year? He would have been better than McFadden again. You will have to ask McFadden why some scrubs are waaay better than he is.
January 30th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Lets see. What’s more believable?
That I coach high school football. Seeing as how I obviously know a lot about the game. And that I work in my computer most if the day, and therefore have access to this blog whenever I feel like it (although spending way too much time in it these days).
Or beech’s fantasy where he has a still-growing 14 inch wiener, leads a rock star life, gets laid 15 times a day, and has auditions for boy bands (I might believe the last one)?
I love the liars calling others liars and the cross posters calling others cross posters.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
Will the coward who’s hacking my handle man up and come forward… You too much of a biatch to use your true handle… Probably Doctapuzz and his clonies…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
marino has fire and didnt quit …..won playoff games…made playoffs in back to back seasons…as a matter of fact 4 outta 5 of marinos last years he made playoffs lmao
January 30th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Isn’t it funny that the clan and apartheid Africa and the nazis were always (justifiably) vilified for claiming if a person had one drop of black blood, they were black.
But missdick claims the same with kaepernick, so he can swing from his nuts.
Kaepernick isn’t white or black. He’s a man. Missdick can’t handle that.
(Or maybe he’s a “hybrid”, and that’s why he runs the “hybrid” offense so well!)
Any way u take it, he’s the best player in the Super Bowl. And an icon for how it doesn’t matter where u come from. A New American. And I’m rooting for him cuz he seems pretty cool.
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Funny hybrid comment. He can piss off both sides that want to make it racist, which is why he neither makes me happy nor pisses me off.
On the other hand, he is not the best player in the SB. He’s not even the best QB. He’s arguably the best QB on the whiners side but that’s where I draw the line.
Does he have potential to be really good? From what I’ve seen of his passing ability, I’d say it’s there. But to say that he is better than Flacco based on about 5 or 6 starts? When we see Kaep play on a team that hasn’t the top defense or a top 3 running game, then we can evaluate how good of a non-game managing QB that he can be. Right now, he has the advantage of a gimmick offense and a charter to not make mistakes over making big plays.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
928.dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Kell–don’t read the headline. That’s written by the writer. Read the quotes. Palmers the guy. Pryor will “compete”. And they’ll be another guy “competing” too.
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Clearly DA said Palmer is the man in that article…..but he has to say that there is competition…..he is expected to say that to try and keep the young ones motivated.
No one in their right mind believes Pryor will compete with Carson Palmer as the starting QB next year.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
dakota…….cincy made playoffs back to back seasons….in afc north…very hard to do with a rookie/2nd year qb…what’s palmers excuse again?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
You damned well know that Palmer has played on two schyt teams. The Bungholes….the perpetual losers, and then the Raiders with their record setting losing ways.
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Green Bay was schit until Favre got there
Indy was schit until Manning got there.
Denver was schit until Manning got there.
Thats what great QB’s do. Palmer is no great QB. His record speaks for itself.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Lets see. What’s more believable?
That I coach high school football. Seeing as how I obviously know a lot about the game. And that I work in my computer most if the day, and therefore have access to this blog whenever I feel like it (although spending way too much time in it these days).
Or beech’s fantasy where he has a still-growing 14 inch wiener, leads a rock star life, gets laid 15 times a day, and has auditions for boy bands (I might believe the last one)?
I love the liars calling others liars and the cross posters calling others cross posters.
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Maybe there’s a correlation between Beech getting laid 15 times as part of the boy band auditions. And I’m talking about by women …
January 30th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Does it really matter if there is competition at QB? Good that Pryor will be given a shot at beating out Palmer, even better if succeeds. Palmer should be able to hold off TP
January 30th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
glenny has no credibility….farglass is outta the nfl….he sux….dmac career by far has been better than farglasses so please stop
January 30th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Did beech just talk about David hasselhoff being a better kisser than me?
Wow. I knew he was vehemently defending Kane Harris yesterday. And I knew he begged for my attention daily. But I had no idea he was into me like that.
Ur right beech. I’m no David hasselhoff. Ur welcome to keep beating off in ur bubble bath to him. Leave me out if it.
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Classic super defensive Nob Bust, slowly flaming out, head on a swivel. Too funny, shout out to Mike D
Nob, we all know how super cool dudes like the Beeeech Dawg totally intimidate you, so you panic and call us gay then hope everyone agrees with you
Unfortunately for you, me and all my Blog Homies are just having another sweet, free laugh
At your expense, of course.
SHOUT OUT TO DRE, WEST COAST FUNK I FIED
January 30th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Well I played for the #3 high school in the country. I had an uncle who coached high school ball. And I have coached high school football for several years (and pop Warner for my nephews team before that).
I don’t care if u believe it. Won’t matter.
But the qb is “managed” by the OC. The better vets have more latitude of course.
But there are plenty of “winning” teams that have a garbage qb and plenty of garbage teams that have a good qb.
The trick is trying to get as many good players and coaches on one team as possible and hope for chemistry and luck.
There is no formula. But this board is famed for wanting to immediately get rid of any player who gets pro bowl votes.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
942.KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
You damned well know that Palmer has played on two schyt teams. The Bungholes….the perpetual losers, and then the Raiders with their record setting losing ways.
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Green Bay was schit until Favre got there
Indy was schit until Manning got there.
Denver was schit until Manning got there.
Thats what great QB’s do. Palmer is no great QB. His record speaks for itself.
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No one is arguing that Palmer is a franchise lifting QB like that….maybe before his knee injury, but certainly not now.
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
Is the team around him, and the coaching staff around him good enough to win playoff games? Probably not, but that is Al Davis’ and the current GM’s fault, not Carson Palmer’s fault.
He isn’t one of the all-time greats so get rid of him?
Guess you people have not watched the QB play in Oakland since Gannon broke his neck.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
palmer couldnt lead ants to a picnic
January 30th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
whoa…gdog…..you seem like a nice guy…if you dont remember that play then dont comment my friend
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You are cherry picking ONE PLAY in a game we scored 32 points, and CP tossed FOUR TD’s? It was CP’s fault we lost? Not the defense?
You sir, clearly have an agenda, or you are a blithering idiot.
Which is it?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Beech. U said David hasselhoff would beat me in a French kissing contest.
That’s gay.
Ur gay.
It’s ok.
We all know anyway.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
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Certainly “decent” enough. 13 million, HELL NO.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
dakota…we saw a qb witb a winning record in oakland before palmer came….you were too busy trying to find manti ge’o girlfriend
January 30th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Pryor thinks the world of Palmer.
Get his duck outta ur mouth long enuff to realize ur behaving like housewives with a crush.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
glenny….do you think the left tackle sometimes audibles to a run play and the qb better get on jis page. I bet the olinemen take the qb out and nuy him gifts and schit huh
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You just have to accept you are wrong on this. Terry Brashaw did not lead those great Steeler teams. Mike Webster did. Same thing here. It wasn’t Lamonica and Stabler. It was Otto, Shell and Upshaw. Even in recent times, Brees was the QB but Jon Goodwin ran their team. And guess what, you know where he is right now? On the Whiner OLine, leading it. How’s about Matt Birk over in Baltimore. As soon as Dielman went out in SD, their team fell apart. Same old Rivers, just no Dielman. That’s the difference. There are your leaders.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Is it gay to talk about ur supposedly giant dick to a forum of men?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
you mean an int when we down three in our own territory….at home nonetheless? ….gdog….come on man
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
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Certainly “decent” enough. 13 million, HELL NO.
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So you’d rather we go back to affordable guys like McCown, Walter, etc…? It’s not comming out of your pocket so what do you care he makes?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Is it gay to tell a roomful of men what u plan on doing with ur pubes and how awesome ur abs are?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Let’s see … a high school football coach who spends all day on a computer blogging
Yep, totally believe that one
Nob you’re obviously locked inside the maintenance shed at the park on your iPad, dreaming big dreams
But seriously, Dork, please don’t ever change. You’re the gift that just keeps on giving and me and my Blog Brahs are totally appreciative, word
Mad props, mad respect. Now hurry up and iron out the creases in those flags before the parents start dropping their kids off
HIGH FIVIN’, MO JIVIN’, BEEEECH STYLE SMOOTH
January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
And I agree, Palmer’s been nice & professional towards Pryor, yet shows no leadership at all on the field.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
ok im out…..gay talk has arisen…sorry but not my job….yall have at it…good day
January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Is it gay to talk about wanting to be in a boy band and having auditions for one when ur in ur forties?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Doctapuzz fears the black Mamba…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Beech. Why would I be at the park? Do u think its football season?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
It’s gay to aggresivly investigate another man’s sexuality. Just let it go
January 30th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Let’s see … a high school football coach who spends all day on a computer blogging
Yep, totally believe that one
Nob you’re obviously locked inside the maintenance shed at the park on your iPad, dreaming big dreams
But seriously, Dork, please don’t ever change. You’re the gift that just keeps on giving and me and my Blog Brahs are totally appreciative, word
Mad props, mad respect. Now hurry up and iron out the creases in those flags before the parents start dropping their kids off
HIGH FIVIN’, MO JIVIN’, BEEEECH STYLE SMOOTH
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You know even a Janitor can dream…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Well dan78. I don’t want it around me. Apparently u do.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
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Certainly “decent” enough. 13 million, HELL NO.
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So you’d rather we go back to affordable guys like McCown, Walter, etc…? It’s not comming out of your pocket so what do you care he makes?
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If we’re only going to win 5-6 games, Play Pryor, spend Palmer’s money somewhere else.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Is it gay to tell a roomful of men what u plan on doing with ur pubes and how awesome ur abs are?
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My humble minion, carefully following my every move
Love the respect and admiration for the Big Beeech Diggity Dawg, Woof
FLY HIGH, FALLEN EAGLES
January 30th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Is it gay to consistently reference Elton John when ur talking about “scoring”?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
you mean an int when we down three in our own territory….at home nonetheless? ….gdog….come on man
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Just to be straight here… you are pointing to ONE PLAY out of the 62 passes CP made, and not the 42 points the defense gave up?
How old are you? 14? You don’t seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed if you are an actual adult.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
952.KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
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Certainly “decent” enough. 13 million, HELL NO.
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At this stage in his career, he should probably be making in the $7-9 million dollar a year range, but so what? Cutting him doesn’t help the cap number. The Raiders were left in a bad cap situation and Palmer restructured which saved us about $9 million in cap space. Not his fault, the team needed to do it to save the space.
Cutting him does us nothing for the cap, and there are no better alternatives for 2012….unless you want to tank the season by letting Pryor start….which might result in us getting the #1 pick in 2014. Hey, I can buy that strategy, but I would rather try and win with Palmer for the next few years.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Well it obvious by ur posts u have no idea how to get ladies. They would think ur a creepy stooge. Which of course u are.
U prove it every day.
Now go beat off to lance bass
January 30th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Is it gay to consistently reference Elton John when ur talking about “scoring”?
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Uh Oh …. MELTDOWN
Wonder if folks walking around the park think its weird that there’s a grown man crying in the maintenance shed
Oh yeah, he’s just diagramming plays on his computer
January 30th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Does anybody have a link to Facebook where I can see someone getting beat up by a blogger hear….
January 30th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
953.Follow the B@uceman Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
dakota…we saw a qb witb a winning record in oakland before palmer came….you were too busy trying to find manti ge’o girlfriend
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Jason Campbell? I recall you agreeing that we would never win a big game with Campbell as our QB…..flip flopped now huh?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Beech thinks when he’s called gay, he’s getting “love and respect”. Creepy gay guy alert!
January 30th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Hey beech sucks dudes off and takes it up his ass. We all know that. Nothing new there. You go beechy girl! But as with the rest of you, outty.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Dan78–well at least u found someone who will let u be their toady. U must be happy. And gay.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Beech–u always copy and paste my insult. Like u want to make sure read it again.
U like humiliation don’t u? Ur into it aren’t u?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
I agree Dakota, cap wise and the situation we’re in, we’re stuck. Although I’m doubting Reggie wants to pay Palmer 13 mil, and is probably looking for any alternatives.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
2013*
January 30th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Dakota Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
952.KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Is he a decent QB? Better than any QB we have had since Gannon? Certainly.
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Certainly “decent” enough. 13 million, HELL NO.
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At this stage in his career, he should probably be making in the $7-9 million dollar a year range, but so what? Cutting him doesn’t help the cap number. The Raiders were left in a bad cap situation and Palmer restructured which saved us about $9 million in cap space. Not his fault, the team needed to do it to save the space.
Cutting him does us nothing for the cap, and there are no better alternatives for 2012….unless you want to tank the season by letting Pryor start….which might result in us getting the #1 pick in 2014. Hey, I can buy that strategy, but I would rather try and win with Palmer for the next few years.
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If Palmer restructures again, it almost certainly means the Raiders want him to be QB for two more years.
If the people that hate Palmer (or more likely his skin color) want him gone, they should be hoping like hell he doesn’t restructure! We could then dump him in 2015 and it would only cost us, what 4 mill? As opposed to 16 mill to play him? That’s a lot easier decision to make if he stinks next season.
Restructuring just assures less options. Unless he is dumb enough to take a substantial pay cut (which didn’t used to be allowed under the old CBA, but maybe it is now?)
January 30th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Dan78–well at least u found someone who will let u be their toady. U must be happy. And gay.
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Hilarious take from the nerd who tries with all his might to make friends all day on the blog
Sorry Nob, the PMPP owns you, all up in your head. Totally awesome flame out, btw
Me and my Blog Brahs are fully lovin’ it, HIGH 5 to Micky D’s
BIG MACK ATTACK
January 30th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Let me translate for the DR Robert impaired!
Well I played for the #3 high school in the country. (Sat on the bench picked his nose other kids made fun of him)
I had an uncle who coached high school ball. (pedophile)
And I have coached high school football for several years (and pop Warner for my nephews team before that). (he touched little kids!)
I don’t care if u believe it. Won’t matter. (na na na na na my dad could beat up your dad)
January 30th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
shrek will bring in the gb practice squad kicker as qb…cheap…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Reggie sounds like a frugal, long term thinking man. In the state the Raiders are in Paying Palmer 13 mil, doesn’t seem to fit. Imo.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
DocatPuzz You must have been coached up by Sandusky… I bet you enjoyed your one on one coaching sessions…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Would you rather have Casey Hampton at ~4-5 mil or Ed Reed ~6-7 mil?
When does FA start, right after the super bowl? Hope Reggie makes at least one big splash.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Silverandblack–that was the best u could do? Maybe u should find God and ask Him to help with better jokes.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Reggie sounds like a frugal, long term thinking man. In the state the Raiders are in Paying Palmer 13 mil, doesn’t seem to fit. Imo.
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We’re already on the hook for it the way a couple articles have put it. Wish the Jets or Jags were interested in him. Throw TP6 out there and see what we got in him. If we tank another year, atleast we get clowney
January 30th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Beech–where are blog brahs? I only see one. Nobody else has said they are ur boy. More fantasies.
Dan78–ur the one trying desperately to get another man to like u. Have at it.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
DoctaPuzz maybe a walk with the dog and kids might be soothing for you at this time… Hopefully it is not to dark, we all know how you fear the dark….
January 30th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Oh I just hate it when a pretend blog gang owns me and is in my head. That’s just the worst.
Oh wait. Being beech’s neighbor would be the worst.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Hope you all enjoyed that free Nob Meltdown demo, courtesy of your pal, the Beeeeech Diggity Dawg
WOOF
Of course I normally like much longer, enjoyable flame outs but today, since I’m writing timeless rap music, gots to keep it tight
Speaking of my hella hugh ding dong, he (The Lawg) somehow came up again in my latest sensual jam, check it:
Yo hizzies, the Beeech Dawg’s on a roll
Now please take a slide down the giant Beeeech Pole
14 inches girl, yup, and counting
Time to hump, you’d best start mounting (my weeen-ween)
BEL BIV DEVOE IN THE HIZZY
January 30th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Reggie sounds like a frugal, long term thinking man. In the state the Raiders are in Paying Palmer 13 mil, doesn’t seem to fit. Imo.
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I have seen reports that the minimum it would cost to dump him is 8 mill against the cap (and up to 13 mill.)
You seem like a reasonable guy, do you REALLY think Reggie will loses 8 mill to have a guy he just gave up a first and a second round draft pick for… NOT PLAY??
REALLY??
Thats as ridiculous as the dude saying it was CP’s fault we lost because he threw an interception in a 62 pass game in a 32-42 loss!
January 30th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
You guys are smart enough to know that whether or not there is a true competition at QB this camp is still in question, correct?
This conversation has been going on since October, and no one has realized that they will not win this argument until the offseason is over.
I personally don’t want Palmer or Pryor. Palmer has got to go simply because 7.7 mil is quite a bit less than 17 mil and we can start over. I thought it was a decent gamble to bring him in, it just didn’t work out the way most of us would have liked. Now, Reggie needs to know when to fold em’.
Let’s get some new blood in here, who will obviously beat out Pryor for the job in camp. I am confident Pryor will not win the job.
My preference, draft Geno.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Dan78–well I do have kids. Which means I’ve had sex. With a woman. No wonder ur jealous. And yes, walking my dog with my kids is pretty cool. Great cutdown though. Oh wait. I’m afraid of the dark. Yes. That was very hurtful.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Beech Dawg reminds me of Taco from the “League.”
This is like performance art to him… I find him hilarious. The people that take him seriously need to chill…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
1. Peyton Manning, Broncos – $18,000,000
2. Michael Vick, Eagless – $12,500,000
3. Matt Ryan, Falcons – 11,500,000
4. Philip Rivers, Chargers – $10,200,000
5. Aaron Rodgers, Packers – 8,000,000
6. Jay Cutler, Broncos – 7,700,000
7. Joe Flacco, Ravens – 6,760,000
8. Josh Freeman, Buccaneers – 6,585,000
9. Sam Bradford, Rams – 6,000,000
10. Matt Hasselbeck, Titans – 5,500,000
January 30th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Dan78’s thought bubble:
“Man. How did I somehow align myself with the blog gay guy? How do I get out of this? Do I keep going, hoping somehow it’s cool? Or do I just abandon this handle and come back as someone else?”
January 30th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
I personally don’t want Palmer or Pryor. Palmer has got to go simply because 7.7 mil is quite a bit less than 17 mil and we can start over.
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So you are cool with losing a first and second round pick and 8 mill for basically NOTHING?
I am sure glad this forum isn’t in upper management of ANY business, let alone the Raiders… and with that “POOF” I am out…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
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no chance, man. We have much bigger holes on this team than QB. I’m not sold Geno will even start in this league. I think they gotta take the best player avail at #3, and no ones gonna look to trade up for it. Maybe the Chiefs lose it and take Geno and Joeckel slips, and by some miracle a team wants to trade up for him, but there’s no way
January 30th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
You can make a case that 8 of those 10 QB’s are not worth the money they are scheduled to make next season. Throw Palmer in there and that’s is 9 of 11.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Gdog–yeah maybe. But it’s really very gay s&m themed. And performance art on a blog? For men? Ok. Hilarious.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Poor kids to have a racist gay father who is afraid to come out of the closet…
January 30th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
I knew the Niners were a bunch of F@gs
January 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
This List has Palmer as the 3rd highest Base Salary in 2013. Brady at 10.
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/2013/quarterback/
January 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Is Brian Urlacher a FA? we need a leader on the D side of the ball. someone that will hold teammates accountable when their man beats them. I still remember Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands laughing it up after a game where they gave up 200+ tds rushing. we need someone to shut this heartless dudes up.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I bet you start your Klansman meeting by ripping Pryor … Yeah I bet its the ducks he throws that you dont like…Punk
January 30th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I personally don’t want Palmer or Pryor. Palmer has got to go simply because 7.7 mil is quite a bit less than 17 mil and we can start over.
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So you are cool with losing a first and second round pick and 8 mill for basically NOTHING?
I am sure glad this forum isn’t in upper management of ANY business, let alone the Raiders… and with that “POOF” I am out…
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And your good with dumping a extra 10 mil into the QB position on an already lost venture?
Are you that guy at the casino who refuses to switch tables, but continues to raise his bet tryting to win back the rent money?
January 30th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Nob has said gay at least 800 times today on the blog
Totally hilarious, maybe he would win if he were in a french kissing contest with Kit from Knight Rider*
*awesome how that roast just flew over your head, bust. but deciding to run with it just made it so much more entertaining
Nob’s commitment to trying to convince the whole blog that he’s straight (that “I’ve got kids so I’ve had sex” line is a true classic) just reeks of desperation
Not saying you’re gay, Nob …. but now it’s definitely possible. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, holla
FLYIN’ HIGH, FALLEN EAGLES
January 30th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
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And if Geno fails, that will send the franchise back ANOTHER six or seven years. And Geno is not rated that highly.
January 30th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Brahs, gotta take a minute from dissin’ Bust to let you all know I got hella high and scored big time with this muscular beach babe
Chick is fully buffed and waxed up with tanning cream, so I was slippin’ n slidin’ so much I could barely find the hole (meaning her va-jay-jay and/or poop chute)
When I finally did she was straight up pissed and threatened to squeeze the Beeech Ballz
Freaked out, grabbed her bag of meds, and high tailed it back to my bath tub
Mr. Bubble, take the Beeech Dawg away
January 30th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Nob has said gay at least 800 times today on the blog
Totally hilarious, maybe he would win if he were in a french kissing contest with Kit from Knight Rider*
*awesome how that roast just flew over your head, bust. but deciding to run with it just made it so much more entertaining
Nob’s commitment to trying to convince the whole blog that he’s straight (that “I’ve got kids so I’ve had sex” line is a true classic) just reeks of desperation
Not saying you’re gay, Nob …. but now it’s definitely possible. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, holla
FLYIN’ HIGH, FALLEN EAGLES
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Maybe Tuiasosopo will also admit that he is Dr_robert on this blog…
January 30th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Weakest comedy ever. Just imbecilic.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Dr. Rob, come slob on my knob, if you’re up for it.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Weakest comedy ever. Just imbecilic.
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AHHH SNAP, you got OWNED
Dem Big Dawgs GOTS to Bark, Meow
January 30th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Just wear a paper bag, don’t want to be staring at your bald head and rotten teeth. I do have standards.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I mean Soup was no world beater by any means. But dudes rallied around him.
Plus he actually sold the hell out of the play fakes.
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i cant believe what im reading, but it is the truth.
tell me i was right and i will never sweat you on the palmer deal again
January 30th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
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And if Geno fails, that will send the franchise back ANOTHER six or seven years. And Geno is not rated that highly.
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All draft picks are a risk.
Russell, McClain, and Gallery were can’t miss.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Nob, please don’t knock over the maintenance shed in all your frustration
Besides having to pay the city back for it, all the kids in the park will point and laugh at you (even more than last time)
That won’t be good for your fragile state of mind. Head on a swivel, and all
Just some friendly advice from your Blog Master, The Beeech Diggity, whut whut
January 30th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Soup didn’t throw for as many yards, but I imagine his TD-to-turnover ratio was better than Palmers’, and QBR is prob pretty close.
If I had more time I would look it up.
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WTF?!?!?!
are pigs flying today?
January 30th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
“Nob’s commitment to trying to convince the whole blog that he’s straight (that “I’ve got kids so I’ve had sex” line is a true classic) just reeks of desperation”
I have to agree with you here!
January 30th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Anyone who has actually EVER been around a football team at any level knows the offensive line leads the football team.
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this is a load of crap
if o line is the ‘leader” why then is the qb paid the most money?
wake me the next time a guard signs for 100 mil
lol this cat must be drinking
January 30th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
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Mistic, you’re a moron. Palmer only had that 4-5 record in Hue’s offense cuz he sat out most of the season. He didn’t even get into game shape until like the end of the season. Not to mention that Bresnahan’s defense lost the Bronco, Lion and Charger games for us….. So, Palmer’s record should have been 7-2, not 4-5…..
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And herein lies the problem why this team has become a “should-y” team. Oh the infamous “should’ve been…”
We “should’ve been_______ if Knapp wasn’t OC…
We “should’ve been ______ if we stuck to power blocking…”
We “should’ve been _______ if Hue, Cable was still HC
The problem now is that this team has been evaluated too long on the “should’ve” and that’s why the team is being neglected by this media outlet while Cork and Jerr are busy 9r lollipop sucking now.
Heck we can continue to play the “should’ve” game if you don’t mind another 4-12 season.
“We should’ve drafted Kapaernick”
“Mark SHOULDNT HAVE fired Hue”
And this one (LOL!) “we should’ve hired Harbaugh”
Yeah keep playing the game. Have fun watching another losing season in 2013. But hey, you GET TO BE RIGHT!
January 30th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Triple 6 in the HIZZY!
Whut up homeslice
Working on some dope new rhymes while Nob is crying in the coach’s shed at the park
Will drop some tight verses soon, holla. Just like Young MC used to do
PMPP N THE PLACE 2 B
January 30th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
“Soup didn’t throw for as many yards, but I imagine his TD-to-turnover ratio was better than Palmers’, and QBR is prob pretty close.”
He is a BACKUP! He holds a clipboard! He cant start anywhere or he would!
There is no debate Palmer is hands down a better QB and Palmer is your starter next year so stop babbling incessantly like Alzheimer patient about Pryor he is 3rd string for a reason you half tard!
January 30th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
The previous post was directed at muissdik
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
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And if Geno fails, that will send the franchise back ANOTHER six or seven years. And Geno is not rated that highly.
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All draft picks are a risk.
Russell, McClain, and Gallery were can’t miss.
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That’s what I am saying. So if no miss guys miss, how’s about a guy who faded down the stretch? The better idea seems to build the team up while we have a marquee Q, and then add a guy later on in case Pryor can’t be uh, further developed.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Beeech
Dr Robert’s awkwardly shaped forehead is further proof that his parents were cousins. Most inbred Hillbillies give themselves nicknames to appear smarter than they actually are…and think the earth is 6,000 years old.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Great post SILVERANDBLACK completely accurate
January 30th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
meant to say post 1029
January 30th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Dan78(version2) you put the final nail in Doctapuzz coffin…
January 30th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
This List has Palmer as the 3rd highest Base Salary in 2013. Brady at 10.
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/2013/quarterback/
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putrid
January 30th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Beeech
Dr Robert’s awkwardly shaped forehead is further proof that his parents were cousins. Most inbred Hillbillies give themselves nicknames to appear smarter than they actually are…and think the earth is 6,000 years old.
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Yo, hella deep, dawg. Way to drop some archaeological wisdom on the blog
Big Ups
January 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
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And if Geno fails, that will send the franchise back ANOTHER six or seven years. And Geno is not rated that highly.
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All draft picks are a risk.
Russell, McClain, and Gallery were can’t miss.
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That’s what I am saying. So if no miss guys miss, how’s about a guy who faded down the stretch? The better idea seems to build the team up while we have a marquee Q, and then add a guy later on in case Pryor can’t be uh, further developed.
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lmao
yeah palmer is on the marquee alright and its a comedy show.
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
geno would be an instant upgrade over palmer
January 30th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
“meant to say post 1029″
What about 1032 that was kind of funny?
January 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Dan78–u just asked me for sex? U do realize asking another man for head is gay right?
January 30th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
lol at dr slob upset because kapppy is black
MUHUHUHHAHAHAHAHAA
January 30th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Any thoughts on trying to sign Ed Reed? he’s a free agent…
January 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Beech–it’s not football season. Ur aware right? And even if it was, pop Warner isn’t flag football. U didn’t know that? Not surprising.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
My preference, draft Geno.
=====================================
And if Geno fails, that will send the franchise back ANOTHER six or seven years. And Geno is not rated that highly.
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All draft picks are a risk.
Russell, McClain, and Gallery were can’t miss.
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That’s what I am saying. So if no miss guys miss, how’s about a guy who faded down the stretch? The better idea seems to build the team up while we have a marquee Q, and then add a guy later on in case Pryor can’t be uh, further developed.
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lmao
yeah palmer is on the marquee alright and its a comedy show.
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
geno would be an instant upgrade over palmer
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Spoken like a guy who still thinks Jason Campbell is better than Tom Brady. But don’t worry, that’s why I am here. Sure, Palmer is slated to make $13mm. Which is right ahead of guys like Stafford, Romo, Rothleisberger, and Phil Rivers. Hate to say it, but that is the cost of solid QB’s in this league. Or, we could send out an absolute scrub, and then have you guys complain about Greg Olson. Which should it be?
January 30th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Trade DVAG! Draft Lacy!
January 30th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Dan78–u just asked me for sex? U do realize asking another man for head is gay right?
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You know that was you using my handle trying to set me up…. But if enjoy bobbing for apples on yourself, thats fine… after all you are the new wave of white trash….
January 30th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Any thoughts on trying to sign Ed Reed? he’s a free agent…
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Reed, like Ray Lewis is completely out of gas. They might have ONE GAME left in them. Might…..
January 30th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Kaepernick is neither black nor white. Do we even know he has a black dad? His moms white. He’s raised by white people. I think kaepernick would knock ur teeth out for suggesting he is required to identify with the black man who abandoned him.
He’s a man. That’s all. Ur a laughing hyena. A lying bigot. Nobody would claim u.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
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I am trying to find a QB other than Gannon that did not look like a human blooper real for us. Maybe it isn’t the position. Maybe it is something else.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Dan78 claiming his handle was hijacked after realizing how gay he was being. It’s alright. Beech’s influence on u has taken its toll.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
bush this is easy math
plamer 8 -16 37 turn overs 38 tds = 17 mil in 2013
cut palmer and only pay 8 mil
play pryor for his minimum contract
maybe sign a vet qb for low cost as insurance, jc, vy
pryor either proves he deserves a long term deal or draft a qb in 2014
January 30th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
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I am trying to find a QB other than Gannon that did not look like a human blooper real for us. Maybe it isn’t the position. Maybe it is something else.
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easy answer
JC!!!!!!
last took a snap in first place for your oakland raiders
January 30th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
“Spoken like a guy who still thinks Jason Campbell is better than Tom Brady. But don’t worry, that’s why I am here. Sure, Palmer is slated to make $13mm. Which is right ahead of guys like Stafford, Romo, Rothleisberger, and Phil Rivers. Hate to say it, but that is the cost of solid QB’s in this league. Or, we could send out an absolute scrub, and then have you guys complain about Greg Olson. Which should it be?”
I agree 100%
January 30th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Kaepernick is neither black nor white.
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if you can produce black children you are black
NEXT!!!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Dan78 claiming his handle was hijacked after realizing how gay he was being. It’s alright. Beech’s influence on u has taken its toll.
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Are you afraid that all your Klansman will be mad at you if you come out of the closet…
January 30th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
bush this is easy math
plamer 8 -16 37 turn overs 38 tds = 17 mil in 2013
cut palmer and only pay 8 mil
play pryor for his minimum contract
maybe sign a vet qb for low cost as insurance, jc, vy
pryor either proves he deserves a long term deal or draft a qb in 2014
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So, then, with Pryor we go 1-15 or 0-16. And again, some of the young marquee Q’s don’t want to come out, like Barkeley or Eli Manning manipulated, and we have NOTHING at the QB position. In other words, this would be the equivalent of going to the poker table, and every gets to see your cards, but you don’t get to see anyone else’s. That is not good.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
That’s what I am saying. So if no miss guys miss, how’s about a guy who faded down the stretch? The better idea seems to build the team up while we have a marquee Q, and then add a guy later on in case Pryor can’t be uh, further developed.
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You might be right, Bush. Waving of the Senior Bowl does not look good in my eyes, and we might just have to swallow another year of Carson’s salary which is substantially more next season barring another restructure. I really don’t believe any of the nonsense that DA and Reggie have said about competition at the QB spot, and the quotes are taken way out of context on this board routinely.
I guess I’m just a little more willing to take a chance on a potential franchise QB with rookies making such a big splash lately. Easy thing to do when I have no tangible investment in the success or failure of any draft picks. Just an emotional one.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Jason Campbell ranks somewhere between Jay Schroeder and Aaron Brooks in all time Raider QB’s rankings.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Head coach hires OC. OC calls play. Qb repeats that play in huddle. Based on what he sees at LOS, qb may call prepared audible (still OC’s call). Center calls OL call. Period.
Qb is responsible for passing ball and reading defense. That’s it.
He has no effect on running game.
He doesn’t play defense or ST.
He doesn’t design offense or call plays on his own (in almost all cases).
He doesn’t catch the ball.
Wins and losses are a head coach”s stat.
It’s simple. If u think otherwise, ur a housewife.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
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I am trying to find a QB other than Gannon that did not look like a human blooper real for us. Maybe it isn’t the position. Maybe it is something else.
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easy answer
JC!!!!!!
last took a snap in first place for your oakland raiders
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Right. The same Jason Campbell that could not start for 32 out of 32 NFL teams. Good one. But he is much better than Pryor. Who couldn’t play #2 Q on 32 out of 32 NFL teams
January 30th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Kaepernick isn’t black. He’s brown. Ur qualifications aren’t science. They’re ur own idiotic ideas. U have no clue what makes “race”. U have no idea about genetics. Ur a Bogor liar with a miserable life. A fool. A tool.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
That’s what I am saying. So if no miss guys miss, how’s about a guy who faded down the stretch? The better idea seems to build the team up while we have a marquee Q, and then add a guy later on in case Pryor can’t be uh, further developed.
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You might be right, Bush. Waving of the Senior Bowl does not look good in my eyes, and we might just have to swallow another year of Carson’s salary which is substantially more next season barring another restructure. I really don’t believe any of the nonsense that DA and Reggie have said about competition at the QB spot, and the quotes are taken way out of context on this board routinely.
I guess I’m just a little more willing to take a chance on a potential franchise QB with rookies making such a big splash lately. Easy thing to do when I have no tangible investment in the success or failure of any draft picks. Just an emotional one.
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The chances of throwing a rookie Q out there and having him excel is very very small. You look at Indy or Seattle or even Washington and they had some players on their teams. We don’t. Throwing Kaepernick out there with a stellar Oline, a defense, and some playmakers is a recipe for success. That’s what I would like to see here: build up the team, then go for another Q either thru the draft, FA or trade.
January 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Beech–it’s not football season. Ur aware right? And even if it was, pop Warner isn’t flag football. U didn’t know that? Not surprising
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Nerd, why don’t you set up a facebook page to explain to all of us the intricacies of coaching flag football
January 30th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
would love to try to trade palmer or at worst cut him if it save us us $, just haven’t seen enough of pryor. That’s totally on DA
January 30th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Beech–it’s not football season. Ur aware right? And even if it was, pop Warner isn’t flag football. U didn’t know that? Not surprising
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Nerd, why don’t you set up a facebook page to explain to all of us the intricacies of coaching flag football
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Be careful he might just set up a page of beating you up… And put a picture of a wanna be bad guy with a pointy forehead….
January 30th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
beechy dawg there you are. i thought you might be blowing our friends at fubar but here you are
January 30th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Watching one game of Pyror was enough for me. Give Palmer whatever he wants to stay.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
He has been a human blooper reel since putting on the silver and black.
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I am trying to find a QB other than Gannon that did not look like a human blooper real for us. Maybe it isn’t the position. Maybe it is something else.
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easy answer
JC!!!!!!
last took a snap in first place for your oakland raiders
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Right. The same Jason Campbell that could not start for 32 out of 32 NFL teams. Good one. But he is much better than Pryor. Who couldn’t play #2 Q on 32 out of 32 NFL teams
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LOL BUSH!!!!
none of your speculation on what team jc could or couldnt start for changes the answer to yuor question.
“what qb besides gannon wasn’t a human blooper reel?
answer jc 12-7 28 tds 12 turn overs first place in the afc west undefeated in the afc west
jc owns you and palmer as a raider qb
January 30th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
ok crew i’m out…
January 30th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Dan78 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
The Beeech Diggity Dawg Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Beech–it’s not football season. Ur aware right? And even if it was, pop Warner isn’t flag football. U didn’t know that? Not surprising
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Nerd, why don’t you set up a facebook page to explain to all of us the intricacies of coaching flag football
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Be careful he might just set up a page of beating you up… And put a picture of a wanna be bad guy with a pointy forehead….
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D78 REPRESENT
pmpp n the hizzy
January 30th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
JC sucks period
January 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Kaepernick isn’t black. He’s brown. Ur qualifications aren’t science. They’re ur own idiotic ideas. U have no clue what makes “race”. U have no idea about genetics. Ur a Bogor liar with a miserable life. A fool. A tool.
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too funny
every body knows that black skin is melanin dominant and white skin is recessive.
This is why black people can produce babies of every shade, and non blacks can never produce black children.
dont argue it only makes you look more racist.
Take it up with stanford university
January 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
LOL BUSH!!!!
none of your speculation on what team jc could or couldnt start for changes the answer to yuor question.
“what qb besides gannon wasn’t a human blooper reel?
answer jc 12-7 28 tds 12 turn overs first place in the afc west undefeated in the afc west
jc owns you and palmer as a raider qb
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hahahaha. I told you, Campbells victories came when the team ran for over 200 yards. When they didn’t Campbell was not only ineffective, he was horrible. I could be an NFL Q if my team ran for 250 yards on an opponent. But keep trying…
January 30th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
ok im out
January 30th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Palmer > Soup Carson schits all over SOUP Mcfadden carried that worthless loser to every win he had here
January 30th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
LOL BUSH!!!!
none of your speculation on what team jc could or couldnt start for changes the answer to yuor question.
“what qb besides gannon wasn’t a human blooper reel?
answer jc 12-7 28 tds 12 turn overs first place in the afc west undefeated in the afc west
jc owns you and palmer as a raider qb
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hahahaha. I told you, Campbells victories came when the team ran for over 200 yards. When they didn’t Campbell was not only ineffective, he was horrible. I could be an NFL Q if my team ran for 250 yards on an opponent. But keep trying…
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Now you want to use rushing totals from the rb as a qualifier? hahahaha
you can make all of the excuses for palmer losing or jc wining that you want the facts dont change.
jC vs palmer as a raider had better td to turn over ratio and better win loss record,
THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO MEASURE BY LOL!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
JC sucks
January 30th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Now you want to use rushing totals from the rb as a qualifier? hahahaha
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Oldest question in football: What is the QB’s best friend? A running game. If you claim to know football you should know this. When our team ran well, Campbell won. When they didn’t, he didn’t. Our team did not run well this last year. We didn’t win. Pretty simple really.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
bush is scrambling desperatly to prove palmer was a better raider than jc but it doesnt float.
dr slob is upset that kappy is black
jfb admitted that he was wrong on jc vs palmer but failed to give credit to the man that told him before it happened.
Looks like my work here is done
The Supavillain strikes again
muhuhuhahhahahah
January 30th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Now you want to use rushing totals from the rb as a qualifier? hahahaha
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Oldest question in football: What is the QB’s best friend? A running game. If you claim to know football you should know this. When our team ran well, Campbell won. When they didn’t, he didn’t. Our team did not run well this last year. We didn’t win. Pretty simple really.
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tell that to peyton manning drew brees tom brady and arron rodgres
they win they dont have dominant rushing games.
we are talking qbs dont try and make it about the rbs
January 30th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
peace cross posters
January 30th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
I hope we find a way to draft RB Giovani Bernard….
January 30th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Now you want to use rushing totals from the rb as a qualifier? hahahaha
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Oldest question in football: What is the QB’s best friend? A running game. If you claim to know football you should know this. When our team ran well, Campbell won. When they didn’t, he didn’t. Our team did not run well this last year. We didn’t win. Pretty simple really.
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tell that to peyton manning drew brees tom brady and arron rodgres
they win they dont have dominant rushing games.
we are talking qbs dont try and make it about the rbs
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Are you out of your gourd? We are not talking about Rogers or Brady or Manning or Brees. We are talking about us. When Cable took over, in fact kiffin, they set up to be a run first offense. And that has been the way it has been the last three years here. And when we could establish a run game, we could be competitive. When we didn’t, the game got out of control quickly. And there were a lot of reasons for that, which I won’t break down right here.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
We should be a run first offense. That seems to be when we have the most success.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Looks like my work here is done
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If proving to the blog that you have no idea what you are talking about? On a daily basis? Then, yes.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
An elite QB with great pass catchers can carry a team.
Provided they have an average defense, that creates turnovers.
An average QB needs a run game and an above average D to “facilitate” winning.
We need a running game and an improved D for Palmer or Pryor to be Winning QB’s.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Mistic, wanna know why why they don’t need to have a top running back to help them out? They have better WRs/TEs than we do. Lets go down the list shall we?
Brady- Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, and Hernandez. Oh and he does have a pretty good run offense with Ridley and Vereen.
Brees- Colston, Graham, Moore, Sproles
Rodgers- Jennings, Nelson, Cobb, Jones, and Finley
Manning- Thomas and Decker. He had a solid run offense as well with McGahee. Moreno filled in decently when he got hurt. Moreno ran for over 100 yards against us.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
JC did nothing spectacular here, that is fact. Great game manager that benefitted from a real good running game. All you need to do is look at the games he was asked to win it with his arm. Pretty bad.
That’s why I don’t want Alex Smith. Another game manager.
That said, this is clearly a rebuild. Lets see what Pryor can do or can’t do. Palmer is making much too much for what we’re getting.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Mistic’s favorite sports movie is The Legend of Bagger Vance, for obvious reasons.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
An elite QB with great pass catchers can carry a team.
Provided they have an average defense, that creates turnovers.
An average QB needs a run game and an above average D to “facilitate” winning.
We need a running game and an improved D for Palmer or Pryor to be Winning QB’s.
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I have to agree with Len on this. We don’t have the WRs and defense to have Palmer carry this team. Palmer is going to need an improved TEAM all around for us to be better.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Bernard will be one of the 1st or 2nd running backs taken we wont get him
January 30th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
I think every time JC threw for over 300 yards, we lost.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Bernard will be one of the 1st or 2nd running backs taken we wont get him
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I am hoping that we could get him in the 2nd round if we trade down. If not, then I wouldn’t mind getting Robbie Rouse to use like a Darren Sproles type RB. At the Senior Bowl, Rouse was getting a lot of Sproles comparisons. But I know we could use a power back more though.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
No use in trying to talk sense to that LUNATIC MYSTIC he just likes getting a riff out of the board he’s a pathetic loser with nothing else to live for
January 30th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Bernard will be one of the 1st or 2nd running backs taken we wont get him
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Agree.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
JEDI would love to have bernard but i agree we need more of a power back like Eddie Lacy
January 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
The only way i’d want us to get a QB this year is if we trade with the Redskins to get Kirk Cousins. Outside of that, I’d rather wait to see who is available next year in FA or the draft.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Robbie Rouse is a good player i wont be mad if we take him
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
im back
ok lets see i said jc was a better raider than palmer and predicted it would be the way it turned out.
I posted stats and win loss record to support my postion.
jc 12 w 7 L 28 tds 14 turn overs first place in afc west undefeated in afc west
palmer 8-16 38 tds 37 turn overs
instead of any one having anything to counter this with im met with
runnig back stats, bagger vance references (which i dont even know what the hell that is but if it was made by white producers i dont care for it) and list of wrs for other teams.
unless you have something that can erase what the nfl stat keepers have documented you dont really have an argument at all.
have fun
peace
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
JEDI would love to have bernard but i agree we need more of a power back like Eddie Lacy
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I like Lacy quite a bit, but I don’t see Him in S&B either.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
“Yeah, Taiwan Jones is another players that got absolutely no chance with DA/Knapp.”
You weren’t paying attention, KK. Aside from his proclivity to injury, TJ has issues with memory. You can call it dyslexia, as some have (sometimes this is true, but sometimes it’s used euphemistically for “slow” for the press) but whether it’s one or the other, it’s a huge problem in that the kid can’t remember plays, doesn’t know where he should be when the qb calls the play in the huddle.
And…it hasn’t gotten better.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
JEDI would love to have bernard but i agree we need more of a power back like Eddie Lacy
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I was wanting Bernard cuz I was thinking of him becoming the feature back next year as this is the last year in McFadden’s contract.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Cousins would be awesome i would love it if we could get him but i like Palmer just need to run the rock more and surround him with a bit more talent
January 30th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
We need a running game and an improved D for Palmer or Pryor to be Winning QB’s.
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This has been the problem with us. We don’t know what kind of team we want to be when we grow up. Everyone here is all about cutting Palmer or starting Pryor, where the real issue is we are built as a run first team. That can’t run first.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Well i agree i think bernard will be a feature back in NFL he was pretty amazing at UNC i got to watch him quite a bit
January 30th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
My mistake, Mistic’s favorite sports movie of all time is Hoosiers.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Robbie Rouse is a good player i wont be mad if we take him
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Yeah, Rouse was very durable in college and he was very productive as well. Being a Fresno State homer, I saw him play every Saturday. Every year, he improved as a pass catcher out of the backfield. He had 63 catches as a senior. Only 4 times his senior year did he have less then 20 carries or 100 yards. Every game, except three, he had at least four catches.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
This has been the problem with us. We don’t know what kind of team we want to be when we grow up. Everyone here is all about cutting Palmer or starting Pryor, where the real issue is we are built as a run first team. That can’t run first.
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Knapp set the process back for 2012.
I “think” we should be more productive running it in 2013.
FA and draft will be interesting.
Curious to see how Reggie plays his cards.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
im back
ok lets see i said jc was a better raider than palmer and predicted it would be the way it turned out.
I posted stats and win loss record to support my postion.
jc 12 w 7 L 28 tds 14 turn overs first place in afc west undefeated in afc west
palmer 8-16 38 tds 37 turn overs
instead of any one having anything to counter this with im met with
runnig back stats, bagger vance references (which i dont even know what the hell that is but if it was made by white producers i dont care for it) and list of wrs for other teams.
unless you have something that can erase what the nfl stat keepers have documented you dont really have an argument at all.
have fun
peace
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Mistic you are a total idiot if you think that a QBs play isn’t affected by his defense, his run game, his WRs, or his OL…. You can say all you want about a QBs W-L record, but there are other factors that go into that TEAM’s win or loss. Ypu can’t solely place the record on the QB.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Well those Robbie Rouse statistics r pretty impressive
January 30th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Cousins would be awesome i would love it if we could get him but i like Palmer just need to run the rock more and surround him with a bit more talent
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I’d trade for Cousins and have him sit until either Palmer plays out his contract, is cut or retires. I think that Cousins could be a very good starting QB in the NFL.
January 30th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
I agree that Reggie & DA made a horrible mistake altering our offensive scheme, which ultimately lead to regression and a distinct lack of identity. The cap situation didn’t help, of course.
This leaves the Raiders in a murky position, but that’s precisely why we should focus on the trenches. No matter what kind of team we end up becoming, a strong o-line and d-line will provide a welcome backbone.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Well those Robbie Rouse statistics r pretty impressive
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He was a starter for three years and ran 4168 yards and 33 TDs during those three years. I am trying to find out how many fumbles he had, I know that it wasn’t a problem. It was only a few fumbles during those three years.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
If the eagles do get Dennis Dixon and plan to start him there goes at least a little of our trade down probability
January 30th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
This year, our cap situation isn’t nearly as bad as last year. We’re only 4.5 million over the cap versus 30 million over the cap last year. With the right cuts and restructurings, we could easily be 25-30 million under the cap.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Yeah. I think trading Pryor to the Eagles could easily get us a decent pick, hopefully a third rounder at least. Maybe a second rounder if Chip Kelly still has a hard on for Pryor.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
I agree i really like Cousins at michigan State and he looked really good with the SKINS i think he has a bright future in league
January 30th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
What CBSSports says about Rouse:
01/24/2013 – 2013 Senior Bowl, Runningbacks…5. Robbie Rouse, Fresno State. If you’re looking for a complete back, Rouse won ‘t do. But if you’re looking for a role player in the mold of Darren Sproles, and maybe with stronger legs, then Rouse is your guy. He’s diminutive to be sure, just under 5 feet 6, but he has incredible quickness and explosiveness. He’ll make plays at the next level, just as he did in college when he scored 14 touchdowns and totaled over 1,700 yards in back-to-back years. Just don’t expect him to become a full-time back. – Dave Richard, CBSSports.com
January 30th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
I don’t really see Chip Kelly hitching his wagon to Dennis Dixon in his first year as a coach in the NFL but who knows
January 30th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Mistic you are a total idiot if you think that a QBs play isn’t affected by his defense, his run game, his WRs, or his OL….
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That’s what I have been saying…..
January 30th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
My wish for FA:
Make the obvious re-signings….
Sign FS Byrd, WR Jennings, RT Vollmer, NT Knighton, DE Osi, CB DRC, CB Aso cuz he gets cut from the Eagles.
Wish for draft:
Trade down twice to get two second round picks among other later picks.
Draft DE/OLB Dion Jordan (1)
Draft RB Giovani Bernard (2)
Draft CB Rhodes, Trufant or Poyer(2)
Draft LB Arthur Brown (3)
Draft depth for OL and defense in general
January 30th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Mistic you are a total idiot if you think that a QBs play isn’t affected by his defense, his run game, his WRs, or his OL….
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That’s what I have been saying…..
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That should only be common sense…. It’s obvious that Mistic is severely lacking in that department.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
I really like the potential of Dion Jordan. I wish there was a way for us to draft DE Jadeveon Clowney next year, if he declares. That dude is a beast. Easily will be the best defensive prospect to come out since Peppers and Williams.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
They should have gotten Mistic to direct this movie:
http://www.avclub.com/articles/will-smith-and-jayzs-remake-of-annie-has-a-directo,91794/
January 30th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I also like QBs Derek Carr and Teddy Bridgewater, if he declares, in next years draft class.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
I think he directed Wild Wild West cuz that movie is terrible……
January 30th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
I really like the potential of Dion Jordan.
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Jordan might be the best athlete in the entire draft. At any position.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
I really like the potential of Dion Jordan.
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Jordan might be the best athlete in the entire draft. At any position.
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I agree. He is very athletic. They had him covering some WRs at Oregon cuz he is so fast. That is crazy for a DE/OLB. he’s so versatile that he can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4. DA keeps saying that he wants to run a multiple defense. If we are really gonna be a multiple D, then we need to have players that can fit in both the 3-4 and the 4-3. I also think getting a NT is paramount as well.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Dion Jordan will be the next Aldon smith.. yet he can also drop back into coverage
January 30th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Evening, RLen, PTiger, Mystic1, Seymour, etc. and a special shout out to….
Beeech Master! Ridin’ hard and givin’ quarter to no retard!
How’s it going this evening, gentlemen?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
I think we should ask ourselves if Al were still alive, would he draft Dion Jordan?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Evening, Scourge.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
If Al were still alive he would never have traded for Palmer.. and thats good enough for me
January 30th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
I really like the potential of Dion Jordan.
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Jordan might be the best athlete in the entire draft. At any position.
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I agree. He is very athletic. They had him covering some WRs at Oregon cuz he is so fast. That is crazy for a DE/OLB. he’s so versatile that he can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4. DA keeps saying that he wants to run a multiple defense. If we are really gonna be a multiple D, then we need to have players that can fit in both the 3-4 and the 4-3. I also think getting a NT is paramount as well.
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Dion Jordan was recruited to play Tight End. Two years later he was lst team All Pac-12 as a DE. That’s ridiculous.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
I think him and Vaccaro may be the two most versatile players in this draft.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
I really like the potential of Ansah.. 2 yrs from now he could be another Pierre Paul.. has to get with the right team../ coaching staff
January 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
and Chris Johnson was right about the Raiders in both accounts.
Hue wise
and no Player leadership
January 30th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Al could have done either. I mean he did trade for Richard Seymour a week before the start of the 2009 season….
January 30th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
@RaidersAllDay
That’s certainly true. I guess I’m just asking if Dion Jordan is the next Dontari Poe. I don’t watch college football, so I haven’t seen the kid in action.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Ansah is still very raw, but he does have the potential that JPP has….
January 30th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
@Scourge
I’ve got a riddle for you: Why is Eight Men Out Mistic’s favorite baseball movie of all time?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Ok, ok, build Palmer a perfect team, and he can win!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
I also like CB Dee Milliner as a first round pick as well.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Ok, ok, build Palmer a perfect team, and he can win!!!
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You are the definition of a dumbazz….
Just give him a better D and RB play than what he got last year…. NO QB could win with what we had last year.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
U guys do know Ben Rothlisburger was almost a Raider right??
Was going into the 2010 season when Ben was in the news and Pitt was kinda fed up with him.. they were seriously thinking about dealing him..
Al was intrigued heavily being he was a superbowl caliber Qb.. the thing was PITT wanted OAKLANDS 8th overall pick as well as the follwing years
Al basically said F off.. and that year we Traded a 4th to washington for J Campbell.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
if it was made by white producers i dont care for it)
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That is a blatantly bigoted statement.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Dion Jordan will be the next Aldon smith.. yet he can also drop back into coverage
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Aldon? Guy who led the league in sacks for the year? He’s not going to just be an Aldon, but he’s going to be better? Can he fly too?
January 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
I would also rally like it if Bjoern Werner fell after we traded down as well. he’s a beast as well.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
U guys also remember Al almost trade for Donovan Mcnabb??
It was the 09 season I believe.. and Al was ready to send his 2nd round pick to PHILLY.. but McNabb refused the trade.. and Andy reid respected DMcnabll so much he sent him to washington.
Well McNabb didnt last long there before being benched.. should have came to OAKLAND.. where he would have been respected by the owner.
Jason Campbell came in 2010 and had his time
January 30th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Aldon? Guy who led the league in sacks for the year? He’s not going to just be an Aldon, but he’s going to be better? Can he fly too
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Scouts comparing him to Aldon smith atheltically. Aldon had alot of questions coming out of the draft.. cant play the run.. blocked easily.. coming off injury .. only had 4.5 sacks his final year.. then went to a good team.. and…….
January 30th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
tiger…dunno..
January 30th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
U guys do know Ben Rothlisburger was almost a Raider right??
Was going into the 2010 season when Ben was in the news and Pitt was kinda fed up with him.. they were seriously thinking about dealing him..
Al was intrigued heavily being he was a superbowl caliber Qb.. the thing was PITT wanted OAKLANDS 8th overall pick as well as the follwing years
Al basically said F off.. and that year we Traded a 4th to washington for J Campbell.
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Honestly, I might have moved both 1s for Big Ben…. We wouldn’t have made the mistake of drafting McClain…
January 30th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
was scanning earlier posts….
January 30th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Give Palmer an impenetrable Pocket, a 1500yd RB, All-Pro WR core, Top 5 Defense, and Boy, watch him go!!!
January 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Funny board. Few posters obviously love making racist comments, knowing a few will jump to call them racist. Then they call them racist. They reply with racist taunts. and on, and on.
I make a motion the mods ban all those who engage in this backasswards exchanges.
Now? Such a waste of time here when certain posters show up.
January 30th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
@Scourge
Because it’s about the Chicago Black Sox!
January 30th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Give Palmer an impenetrable Pocket, a 1500yd RB, All-Pro WR core, Top 5 Defense, and Boy, watch him go!!!
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Seems Palmer’s yds show he did pretty good without any of the above.
Yeah, you are right. With that? He and the team would be kicking ass.
What’s your point? Or do you have one?
January 30th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
U guys also remember Al almost trade for Donovan Mcnabb??
It was the 09 season I believe.. and Al was ready to send his 2nd round pick to PHILLY.. but McNabb refused the trade.. and Andy reid respected DMcnabll so much he sent him to washington.
Well McNabb didnt last long there before being benched.. should have came to OAKLAND.. where he would have been respected by the owner.
Jason Campbell came in 2010 and had his time
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I never heard anything about McNabb almost being traded to Oakland.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
KnapSack Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Funny board. Few posters obviously love making racist comments, knowing a few will jump to call them racist. Then they call them racist. They reply with racist taunts. and on, and on.
I make a motion the mods ban all those who engage in this backasswards exchanges.
Now? Such a waste of time here when certain posters show up.
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Okay, K-sack, but there absolutely has to be an exclusionary clause for Beeech. Not that he’s involved with the use of that term or things related to it, rather just make it clear the ban can’t be used for non-racist commentary….the “funny” part of the blog, as your first sentence says.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Hehehe, Ptiger. You shouldn’t be so hard on Mystic1.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
I never heard anything about McNabb almost being traded to Oakland.
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yep it was big news back then.. adam schefter reporting it all.. also PFT was speculating if traded would DMcnabb show up
January 30th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Scourge-read a couple of Beechs. Some do fall under entertainment, or “funny”. Got to have humor on boards, even sport boards.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
K-sack. Cool.
There also has to be an exclusionary clause regarding abuse of KoolKell 1.0. So long as abuse of KK 1.0 is not race-related, it’s not racist and hence said ban does not apply. For instance, calling KK an old troll isn’t racist. It may be age-ist. It may be accurate. It may be amusing for some. It isn’t racist.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
if it was made by white producers i dont care for it)
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That is a blatantly bigoted statement.
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not at all.
White producers directors and hollywood in general have historically portrayed black people in a very poor light.
Boycotting hollywood cant be confused with bigotry
January 30th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Koolkell seems harmless. He doesn’t actually say anything, so hard to be offended.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Oh I can’t wait for new league year to start!!! Screw February!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Lol. If a white man says he doesn’t care for any movie made by black people, it’s racist.
If a black man says he doesn’t care for any movie made by a white man, it’s not racist.
If a white qb loses a lot, it counts against him.
If a black qb loses a lot, it doesn’t count against him.
And so on and so on.
Missdick is a hate filled douche. A punk b1tch licking the balls of every black man he can.
And let’s remember, it’s called “brotherhood” when two black men have sex. Lol.
And any non-white is black. That apparently would include Asians, Latinos, Indians and all brown-skinned people.
Missdick is so ignorant, he should be euthanized to put him out if his misery.
But he will undoubtedly accidentally cut his own dick off with his machete since he’s a moron.
He reminds me of the black martial artist auditioning on you tube who knocks himself out.
A self serious loser with no friends cuz he’s so hard to be around.
The blog stooge.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
K-sack. I see. YMMV. I’ll stick with my view.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Like Spike Lee portrays white people in a positive way?
January 30th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Doc, how are you tonight?
January 30th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
Missdick–name one white american person u like.
Coward.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
I can’t wait til the cuts, re-signings and the restructuring starts….
January 30th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
I’m good scourge. Getting drawn in to telling missdick what an idiot he is again. This place is mind numbing. I have to resist his moronic pull.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Wow. Just checking in during a layover. I see the garbage got stacked pretty high today.
how’s it goin? Told you earlier I’ll get back to my desktop one of these days.
Open competition will answer the call. Sit back and enjoy the off season. Mr
Raidahs Baby!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Well, that’s what I wanted say something to you about. I’m disappointed in ya, Doc. Can you catch your breath and hear me out?
January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
I like spike lee. He can be wrong headed at times. He will actually spout rhetoric somewhat similar to the black nazi at times. But “do the right thing” was great. He comes from his pro-black kind of mindset but he’s alright with me. “She’s gotta have it” and “school daze” were good too. I really liked “Summer of Sam”.
I don’t always agree with him but he challenges ur thought processes and he means well.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Mistic prefers Tyler Perry’s Witless Protection to The Wire, for obvious reasons.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
if it was made by white producers i dont care for it)
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That is a blatantly bigoted statement.
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not at all.
White producers directors and hollywood in general have historically portrayed black people in a very poor light.
Boycotting hollywood cant be confused with bigotry
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Of course it can. But that was your whole point, right?
You seem so confused on what racism is. Trust me, I have no desire to explain it to you, in that you truly aren’t interested. Common sense seems to escape you, or it’s deliberately ignored.
Good news is for every one of you, are a 1000 of your race, whatever it is, that looks down on you for your views. Thank God for that.
(I suspect that either you’re a bold faced liar on boycotting hollywood, or you’re a very lonely, alone man. No woman would want to be on the arm of such an insecure little man who refuses to watch a movie, or watch tv, for that matter, considering who owns the vast majority of networks. And please, save me the “woman love a strong man who takes a stand”. They want a secure man, not someone who is behind the times, and feels they’ll never catch up.)
January 30th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Go ahead scourge.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Mistic is one of the biggest morons on here…. KK is as well, imo.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Missdick is a dinosaur from 1965. A cartoon. A caricature and cliche. He doesn’t exist. He’s a broken toy.
Ok that’s it.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
I have to resist his moronic pull.
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More malarkey. You live for the pull. You can’t wait for the pull. And when it’s not here, you have conversations with yourself until you get your fix.
If this board had an ignore feature, I suspect you would be right up there with this other character on everyone’s ignore list.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Priest is pretty delusional at times….
January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Onward and outward.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
lol its superbowl week and this dude is…
Randy Moss Unhappy With His Role In 49ers Offense?
Nate BoudaJanuary 29, 2013 1 Comment
Randy Moss was asked about his future as well as his current role with the 49ers during media day on Tuesday.
Moss seemed to suggest that he doesn’t want to be back with the 49ers next season.
“I don’t like my role,” said Moss of his role with the 49ers, per Tom Curran. “I really don’t.”
In regards to being back in San Francisco next season, Moss simply responded with ”next question.”
Moss, 35, will be a free agent in the next few months and there’s already been some speculation that he could return to the Patriots, assuming of course that they’re even interested in reuniting with him.
Moss has 28 catches for 434 yards and 3 touchdowns on the season.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Knapsack–so ignore me azzhole. I kick knowledge, not bigotry.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Cool, Doc…..
Look, Doc, I don’t rag on Mistic1 and I don’t rag on you. We’ve had a couple of good discussions at time with others involved. But these exchanges you have with Mistic1 are really old hat now.
The last one occurred during a 3000+ tome. Some of those long reactions to Mystic added to the very slow reload time. I ask you to go back to that story and look at all the posts that involved you responding to Mistic or getting on his case about something. I’m sure you’ll noticed the repetition. It’s really getting monotonous to grind through that stuff when scanning all the posts.
It makes it terrible trying to read/scan the non-Doc/Mistic1 posts having to plow through this stuff. Can’t you just ignore him? If you ignore him, he’ll probably respond in kind. At least limit it to a few jobs a day that are not all the same.
Thanks for listening. I won’t say anything more about it.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Knapsack–u seem to know a lot for a never-before-seen poster. Another cowardly alias eh? U have no weight here. U gotta earn ur stripes. Come back as the real u and don’t be a puzzy.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Just for u scourge. He’s dead to me. (Are there such things as black nazi zombies? Just kidding. That would be a great title for a b-movie though.)
January 30th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Man. What will I do with my day if I ignore the two biggest idiots in blog land? Hmm. Actually sounds great! I can feel my intelligence coming back already. It’s like a gay bigot cloud lifting. Beautiful!
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Doc, don’t do it for me. **We** know you won’t! You zapped me last time. lol Do it for yourself. Do it for all of us Put that energy into Raider football talk, anything but dissin’ Mistic1.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Jedi_raider Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Mistic is one of the biggest morons on here…. KK is as well, imo.
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I don’t care for you either. Whoever you are. Lol.
January 30th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Newsflash
THERE IS NO OPEN QB COMPETITION.
It was never said. Show me a quote.
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Attn: Dr Bob
SiriusXMNFL Radio reported that quarterback Terrelle Pryor will have a chance to compete with Carson Palmer for the starting job in 2013.
Terrelle Pryor will be given the chance to compete with Carson Palmer for the Raiders starting QB job.
Yet, I wouldn’t assume Pryor is going to be Oakland’s opening-day starter nor would I say there will surely be a quarterback controversy in training camp in Oakland.
Oakland general manager Reggie McKenzie told Bay Area reporters last week Pryor must compete for his playing time.
“Right now, he’s our No. 2,” McKenzie said last week. “We’ve got Matt Leinart as a free agent. I’m going to bring guys in. I’m not penciling in anybody at any position as one, two. I’m going to have somebody in here to try to compete with everybody. So I’m not going to get into who is two or three, or number one for that matter.”
January 30th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
*us! Put
January 30th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Trolls talking to themselves tonight, eh? Airing their grievances. Lol.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
why would Reggie pay $16+ million for a QB who he’s not even sure should start in 2013?
Palmer isn’t penciled in. Neither is Pryor
January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
I’m no troll, KK. You can bank on that!
January 30th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
why would Reggie pay $16+ million for a QB who he’s not even sure should start in 2013?
Palmer isn’t penciled in. Neither is Pryor
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It is just merely talk. Nothing more. Pryor has no real chance at being the starting QB. I keep saying that I am of the opinion that is it an attempt to inflate Pryor’s trade value.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
A lot of people annoy me and I can’t stand stupid people.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Palmer is not sure thing as starter either.. that I thank reggie for
January 30th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Knapsack–so ignore me azzhole. I kick knowledge, not bigotry.
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Reverse it and you’re dead on. You are, however, easy to ignore. You might notice that most do.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
Palmer is not sure thing as starter either.. that I thank reggie for
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There is no way that Palmer won’t be the starter this year. None.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Knapsack–u don’t seem to be ignoring me. Name I e thing I’ve said that bigotry. On the contrary, I drop knowledge bombs about raider truth on the daily.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Knapsack–u seem to know a lot for a never-before-seen poster. Another cowardly alias eh? U have no weight here. U gotta earn ur stripes. Come back as the real u and don’t be a puzzy.
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First off, everyone knows you are a cross poster. You admit you are a cross poster. When no one is here, you have lengthy conversations with yourself. You argue with your self. You are also easily rattled, and slapped down.
Trust me, I feel no satisfaction in seeing you post over and over to me, when I wasn’t even here.
You’re quite transparent, and honestly come across as illiterate, and rather slow.
This was not an invite to reply. Move on.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
There is no way that Palmer won’t be the starter this year. None.
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Thats for reggie to decide. Traded, Cut, open competition. Geno smith.. anything is possible
January 30th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Reggie Allen and Olson have all stated that Palmer is the starter.
You guys prove my point with every posting. You can not find a quote that says prior will be competing in an open competition with Palmer for the starting position.
But there are quotes stating that Palmer is the starter.
Thanks for playing.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
There is no way that Palmer won’t be the starter this year. None.
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Thats for reggie to decide. Traded, Cut, open competition. Geno smith.. anything is possible
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Geno Smith will not be drafted by the Raiders. Palmer won’t be cut or traded. His contract will likely be restructured. He will be the starter. It’s as simple as that. Pryor will hopefully be traded elsewhere either for Kirk Cousins or a good draft pick.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Olson has yet to speak.. he hadnt even gotten to his office.
DA said its open competition.. Reggie said it is.. REggie said PRYOR is a qb on sirius radio.. and wants to see him take over the spot in preseason..wants him to take over the games too.
Its open comp for a reason. Like i said .. Ravens are not having open comp at qb spot, Steelers are not, Niners are not.
RAIDERS are.. they are looking for a starting QB.. Pryor might not be it.. but Carson is far from alocked thing this year.
Next
January 30th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Geno Smith will not be drafted by the Raiders. Palmer won’t be cut or traded. His contract will likely be restructured. He will be the starter. It’s as simple as that. Pryor will hopefully be traded elsewhere either for Kirk Cousins or a good draft pick.
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again thank for Reggie to decide along with Mark Davis. Thax for playing
January 30th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Olson has yet to speak.. he hadnt even gotten to his office.
DA said its open competition.. Reggie said it is.. REggie said PRYOR is a qb on sirius radio.. and wants to see him take over the spot in preseason..wants him to take over the games too.
Its open comp for a reason. Like i said .. Ravens are not having open comp at qb spot, Steelers are not, Niners are not.
RAIDERS are.. they are looking for a starting QB.. Pryor might not be it.. but Carson is far from alocked thing this year.
Next
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All RM has said is that he wants to see what Pryor can do in the preseason. That he wants to see him become a leader. That just sounds like talk about gauging a developmental QBs progress to me.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
All RM has said is that he wants to see what Pryor can do in the preseason. That he wants to see him become a leader. That just sounds like talk about gauging a developmental QBs progress to me.
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Wrong. He said he loves PRYORS leadership abilities. He views him as a qb.. and wants to see him take over games. I just heard it again.
Carson is coming of injury
January 30th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Geno Smith will not be drafted by the Raiders. Palmer won’t be cut or traded. His contract will likely be restructured. He will be the starter. It’s as simple as that. Pryor will hopefully be traded elsewhere either for Kirk Cousins or a good draft pick.
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again thank for Reggie to decide along with Mark Davis. Thax for playing
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With the more pressing needs on the defense, I can guarantee you that Geno Smith will not be the pick. RM would have to be the biggest retard in the NFL to draft Geno Smith at #3.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Knapsack–first of all fu€k straight off b1tch. Nice try at getting ur lies in and then saying “don’t reply”. I’ll say what I wanna say.
I’m a cross poster? Ur a lying idiot. Lol. I admit it? Again ur a liar.
Who exactly am I? When did I supposedly admit it?
Who’s the dick posting as “knapsack”, who knows blog history but has never been seen before? Sounds like u know cross posting well.
Nobody on this thing is capable of rattling me or slapping me down. Cuz I’m always right. Lol.
I’m illiterate and slow? Haha. That’s obviously an attempt to get under my skin since I’m known to tell everyone how smart I am. But u lack the intelligence to ever make an impression on me, let alone make me mad. I’m only responding to u now in order to have fun punking u.
Please share with me how I “come across as illiterate and slow”. A brilliant scholar such as myself finds these things comical, since I know with certainty that I’m smarter than u.
Now, as I said, please fell free to fu€k off. Come back as the real u, coward.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
carson is not locked in as starter by an means. Anything is possible. .from now till OTA’s
still got combine, draft, FA, draft day trades, Cuts and releases.
Right now Carson Morris is a check casher who doesnt care one way or another how the team does. He has millions and is set.
He already quit on one team before.. they got way better once he left.
A ROOKIE was better. Andy Dalton
January 30th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
With the more pressing needs on the defense, I can guarantee you that Geno Smith will not be the pick. RM would have to be the biggest retard in the NFL to draft Geno Smith at #3.
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u guarentee that huh? u in the draft room? u think a franchise qb is less important then taking a NT or pass rusher?
U do know Raider scouts attented 8 WV games this year right? It is possible to trade down and draft GENO too
January 30th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
All RM has said is that he wants to see what Pryor can do in the preseason. That he wants to see him become a leader. That just sounds like talk about gauging a developmental QBs progress to me.
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Wrong. He said he loves PRYORS leadership abilities. He views him as a qb.. and wants to see him take over games. I just heard it again.
Carson is coming of injury
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Have you never heard of a team saying things to try and inflate a player’s trade value?
January 30th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Quit lying allday. Show me a QUOTE. Reggie never said open competition. Allen never said it. And Olson was interviewed. He didn’t even mention Pryor at first. Then when asked, basically said “oh yeah, we have to figure out how to use him down the line.” The interview was here. Go look it up.
No one has said there is an open competition. Don’t give me deductions or opinions. Show me a quote.
I’ll save u the time. It doesn’t exist.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
This Palmer-Pryor debate is getting pretty tedious. Most boring off-season ever. And we’re already a full 3 months into it (Raiders were toast by Halloween) with another 7 months to go. Incredible.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Well, I’m outta here. Have a good night, all. Doc, try and behave yourself and that’s means not using K-sack as an alternative to Mistic1.
G’d night Beech and P-man! I know you’re out there!
“Good night, Mrs. Calabash, wherever you are.”
January 30th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
With the more pressing needs on the defense, I can guarantee you that Geno Smith will not be the pick. RM would have to be the biggest retard in the NFL to draft Geno Smith at #3.
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u guarentee that huh? u in the draft room? u think a franchise qb is less important then taking a NT or pass rusher?
U do know Raider scouts attented 8 WV games this year right? It is possible to trade down and draft GENO too
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One, there is no franchise QB available this year in FA or the draft. While we have Palmer, QB is not that big of a need. No need to waste a top pick on a QB that isn’t all that good to begin with. A franchise QB is very important, but there are none in this draft class. There are more pressing needs than wasting a pick on Geno Smith.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Allen has referred to Palmer as the starter. So has Reggie. So has Olson.
Suck on ur pipe dream all u want. It won’t matter.
Pryor’s a good kid. Talented. Sh1tty passer. Get over it.
It’s not a black or white thing. People don’t like truth. I understand. U want and desire Pryor. He’s ur magic man. Crushes happen.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Mystic and Kell r both the biggest morons on this blog not to mention there takes on football suck I guess u could also add Priestt and Debo to that list as well
January 30th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Do you think they were there for Geno Smith only? No, there are other players they could be scouting as well. I just think it is common sense to not go QB this year. RM would have to be stupid to draft Geno Smith.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Mystic and Kell r both the biggest morons on this blog not to mention there takes on football suck I guess u could also add Priestt and Debo to that list as well
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Priest is probably more delusional than anything. He talked the Raiders into drafting Pryor? He took Plunkett to the A&W??
Speaking of A&W, I miss that place… They had some delicious chizz…..
January 30th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
No thanks pass on Geno Smith please
January 30th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Lol ya Priestt is a dumbass no doubt
January 30th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Ian85 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
No thanks pass on Geno Smith please
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Agree. This is the worst draft class in which to need a franchise QB.
January 30th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Ian–those are few. There are many others. I truly wish this place was a bit more like a club, where u could invite people in and shut others out.
Biggest morons are the ones that show up with a new handle and go after a guy and know everything about them. So easy to see.
I mean I basically have had issues with missdick and beech. A few of their sidekicks chime in but none make an impression.
Kell just throws out occasional remarks without ever making much sense.
But whaddya know. Some idiot handle will show up and come after me unprovoked. Gee. Who could it be?
And I never go after anyone unprovoked. I get accused of it all the time. Kell likes to say I don’t want people to have their own opinions. I couldn’t care less. U can think Pryor will be great. I don’t care. Ur wrong but I don’t care. But I’m gonna call an idiot an idiot when he starts talking smack about Palmer and is obviously trying to lie so he can spread his agenda.
Anyone saying Palmer sucks is a football-ignorant clown or a lying b1tch. Cuz he’s well regarded in real football circles.
Plus I like to tell everyone how much smarter I am than them. It’s fun to get them going. They clearly have no sense of humor. And I’m not gonna dumb it down for them.
It’s jerk store! (Seinfeld)
January 30th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
I think the last time I went to A&W was like when Dumb and Dumber was in theaters……
January 30th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
I think priest is actually mentally Ill now. I won’t pick on him anymore.
He believes he talked them into the Pryor pick and that he made Jim plunkett chase chickens. Back away slowly.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
lol….
Maybe he had a daydream of Plunkett in which priest choked his chicken?
January 30th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Doc Rob I completely agree with u man there’s alot of idiots and alot of cross posters in here I’m with u anyone who thinks Palmer sucks obviously doesn’t kno jack schit about football people in here who think JC was or Pryor is a better option r absolute clowns with an agenda obviously I’m mostly talking about mystic and Jedi I’m with ya in this draft class not being a good Qb draft I like Murray next year from Georgia
January 30th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I’m really excited. I just picked up some wings for dinner and there was a black guy helping me. I took the opportunity to first, make sure that he knew I respected him even though he was serving me, and secondly let him know I was “down” by using words like “cool”, “aight”, and “jazzy”. I’m pretty sure we’re good friends now. I felt so comfortable by the time I got my food that I made some racially charged jokes. He was so great. He smiled and pretended to be uncomfortable, clearly making fun of how a black and white guy might be in that situation if we weren’t so tight. A New America!
January 30th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Good news and bad news, Roberta. I’m stuck in a layover for another hour, and I’m bored, and actually laughed at your previous reply where you had a breakdown trying to convince me you aren’t having a breakdown.
Like it or not, you come across as quite illiterate. Small surprise others share in my opinion.
You’re slow, in that you repeat yourself, saying the same thing over and over, almost word for word, day after day. Slow people do that. Dysfunctional people do that. And yes, idiots also do that.
Like it or not, repeatedly asking for an answer to the exact same question, dozens of times, pretty much is key you’re slow.
Your racist rants to no one in particular, sometimes when no one is around? Again, textbook examples.
Look up mood disorders. I suggest you inquire professionally.
As far as you cross posting?
Will you reply as you do when accused of making racist comments? That you were “just kidding”?
Oh, that’s right, you called me a liar, saying you never cross posted. That you never admitted it?
Again, it’s easy because you’re a simpleton.
Let’s see if you can admit you’re a liar? And a cross-poster? Not to mention illiterate?
dr_robert Says:
January 22nd, 2013 at 12:54 am
Scourge–lol. Beech had a running story for a while involving pickles. I posted as a gay version of him and used the pickle angle to expose his tendencies
January 30th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
I don’t know if it’s a great class for qb’s. I haven’t really looked at most of them. I kinda liked geno when I watched his highlights and he has good college numbers. Great really. I didn’t like what I saw from Barkley. Who knows with rest. Glennon is making noise. Manuel might be ok. Bray has skills but is supposedly inconsistent. I don’t know that there’s a guy for #3. But if Reggie thinks one is the deal, he might as well bite. I’m not sold entirely on anyone being that great. Joekel and Moore have the most appeal from what I’ve gathered but there’s a long way to go. Warmack and milliner are nice picks if we trade down.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
I do like Tyler Wilson though. Someone’s gonna snag a good project /starter in him
January 30th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
BTW, Roberta, you’ve posted as that gay version of Beech dozens and dozens of times, you lying cross posting simpleton.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Mongo would be nice too. Argh it’s tough not knowing where the new regime is going. Wish they would do something to give us a clue…and a new post
January 30th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Lol. If a white man says he doesn’t care for any movie made by black people, it’s racist.
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I never made this statement
January 30th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
watching cross posters argue is very disconcerting
January 30th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Raider E Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I personally don’t want Palmer or Pryor. Palmer has got to go simply because 7.7 mil is quite a bit less than 17 mil and we can start over.
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So you are cool with losing a first and second round pick and 8 mill for basically NOTHING?
I am sure glad this forum isn’t in upper management of ANY business, let alone the Raiders… and with that “POOF” I am out…
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And your good with dumping a extra 10 mil into the QB position on an already lost venture?
Are you that guy at the casino who refuses to switch tables, but continues to raise his bet tryting to win back the rent money?
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If you are going to use gambling as an analogy, if someone goes “all in” on one card, and then folds before seeing all the cards, the guy might be considered somewhat akin to a fool.
No, not a fool… a complete MORON. He shouldn’t even be at the table.
Jeesh.. the kids here…
January 30th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
hollywierd ….not my scene
January 30th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
I’m concrete on the fact that palmers salary is WAY too much. Save 10 mil by cutting him loose. No brainer. Unless he takes another pay cut then I’m good with it. It’s just math
January 30th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Mistic, the IQ vacuum, and his main victim, Dr. Roberts are here.
The chances for intelligent debate is ZERO.
I will try back tomorrow… poof
(Dr. Roberts… do you REALLY think you appear intelligent debating him??? You are WORSE!! You have a PEA for a brain debating Mistic. How much do the rest of us have to endure this??? Are you 14 years old or something???)
January 30th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
irjonny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
I’m concrete on the fact that palmers salary is WAY too much. Save 10 mil by cutting him loose. No brainer. Unless he takes another pay cut then I’m good with it. It’s just math
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“if it dont make dollaz it dont make sense” pops circa 1979
January 30th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
I’m over the Darren McFadden experiment too. Last chance for him to reach any kind of first round potential. Reece should be the rotating back in my opinion too. No need to look elsewhere.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Nutsack–maybe u should look up the definition of illiterate. It means I can’t read or write. But u don’t seem to be saying that since it wouldn’t make sense, since speak so eloquently. And u say I’m slow but u apparently mean repetitious. There’s a difference dummy.
I’ve never made a racist rant to no one in particular. There’s always someone I’m making my racist rants to. But I actually don’t make racist rants. Accusing people if being racist when they’re not is known in the psychiatric world as “being really gay”.
I do make jokes. If ur too stupid to get them or too humorless to laugh at racism, then u are the type that likes tyler Perry’s insipid and obvious and safe comedy. Comedians like Pryor and Kaufman would beyond ur mind.
I originally posted as rob raider. I was spouting off lots of fangs-like comments to infuriate missdick and make fun of fangs actually. Corkran banned me. I emailed him about the situation and he realized he had misread them and advised me to log in with another handle, which is this one.
When I was going back and forth with the moron beech, I posted some beech-gay stuff making fun of him. It was clearly me and everyone knew it. I made no effort to hide it. It was part of the joke.
That’s it. I never hide.
Now ur turn coward. Who are u?
January 30th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Mongo would be nice too. Argh it’s tough not knowing where the new regime is going. Wish they would do something to give us a clue…and a new post
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You mean Mingo?
January 30th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
irjonny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
I’m over the Darren McFadden experiment too. Last chance for him to reach any kind of first round potential. Reece should be the rotating back in my opinion too. No need to look elsewhere.
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its cool though because he is in a contract year, and not even 26 years old yet. He will go hard to earn a big contract and shake the injured label. Then the raiders can deceide how much they are willing to pay to keep him. He hasnt exactly made a huge market for himself at this point.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Nutsack–I guess ur referring to the “beech’s gay lover” or whatever ur is. No that’s not me. I posted as beech’s actual handle but added an extra e. it was pretty obvious but the one ur referring to is pretty lame and as I said, not me.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Yes I meant Mingo. Stupid IPhone
January 30th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
There’s always someone I’m making my racist rants to.
I originally posted as rob raider.
When I was going back and forth with the moron beech, I posted some beech-gay stuff making fun of him. It was clearly me
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and there we have it folks he dr slob admits he is a cross poster & a racist all in the same post.
good morning
good afternoon
& good night
January 30th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Gdog–I’m hurt. All of my posts are funny to me. Some of u guys take me seriously. It’s all comedy.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
stay fly
peace
January 30th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Irjonny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
I’m concrete on the fact that palmers salary is WAY too much. Save 10 mil by cutting him loose. No brainer. Unless he takes another pay cut then I’m good with it. It’s just math
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I don’t think we’ll save money by cutting Palmer. A lot of what I have read says that cutting Palmer will either provide little cap relief or will have sever cap implications….
January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Johnny I like Tyler Wilson also he is my favorite Qb in this class he will be Boss in the NFL no doubt
January 30th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Lol. Of course the liar picks out pieces to try to further his lies. What a friendless punk.
Why don’t u read the rest moron?
Irony is beyond ur little brain.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Beeech Dawg, I know ur here. Cum home. I got a bottle of wine and someone special has candles and a hot bath ready.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
This place is a nuthouse.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
irjonny Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
I’m over the Darren McFadden experiment too. Last chance for him to reach any kind of first round potential. Reece should be the rotating back in my opinion too. No need to look elsewhere.
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its cool though because he is in a contract year, and not even 26 years old yet. He will go hard to earn a big contract and shake the injured label. Then the raiders can deceide how much they are willing to pay to keep him. He hasnt exactly made a huge market for himself at this point.
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I don’t know if I’d want to spend the money to re-sign an injury prone RB. I’d really like to draft RB Giovani Bernard as his eventual replacement. WE might have to restructure his contract to free up a little bit more cap space. Which means a few years would likely be added onto his current contract.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
I don’t really like any QB from this draft class at all.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
SUP GOOBS AND SPLOOGERS
Super Dawg has a super lawg, WHUT
just got done editing my epic deuce drop off the balcony and into the pool. the deuce lawg was a big splash. will have it linked soon.
HOLLA BALLA
January 30th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
OK. Super dawg is gay as hell…..
January 30th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
I’ll humor you one more time, for the time being, Roberta.
quote from Roberta: “Nutsack–maybe u should look up the definition of illiterate. It means I can’t read or write. But u don’t seem to be saying that since it wouldn’t make sense, since speak so eloquently.”
Read that. Out loud. After you get done laughing at yourself, ask yourself why someone uses a U while writing. After you answer yourself ‘forgot I wasn’t texting’, keep in mind others are also laughing at you. Repeatedly.
quote from Roberta: “When I was going back and forth with the moron beech, I posted some beech-gay stuff making fun of him. It was clearly me and everyone knew it. I made no effort to hide it. It was part of the joke.”
So, in other words, you’re a liar. You did cross post. You did admit you cross posted.
If you also weren’t an idiot, you would have remembered that, where you guaranteed me it never happened.
I could go on, but what’s the point?
Next time, be careful what you ask for, especially when challenging someone to prove you’re an idiot, illiterate, and racist.
January 30th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Again I don’t really care for this Qb draft class but my favorite is Tyler Wilson followed by Glennon both will be good pros but other than that this Qb class is weak sauce
January 30th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I’ll humor you one more time, for the time being, Roberta.
quote from Roberta: “Nutsack–maybe u should look up the definition of illiterate. It means I can’t read or write. But u don’t seem to be saying that since it wouldn’t make sense, since speak so eloquently.”
Read that. Out loud. After you get done laughing at yourself, ask yourself why someone uses a U while writing. After you answer yourself ‘forgot I wasn’t texting’, keep in mind others are also laughing at you. Repeatedly.
quote from Roberta: “When I was going back and forth with the moron beech, I posted some beech-gay stuff making fun of him. It was clearly me and everyone knew it. I made no effort to hide it. It was part of the joke.”
So, in other words, you’re a liar. You did cross post. You did admit you cross posted.
If you also weren’t an idiot, you would have remembered that, where you guaranteed me it never happened.
I could go on, but what’s the point?
Next time, be careful what you ask for, especially when challenging someone to prove you’re an idiot, illiterate, and racist.
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That conclusion is becoming unanimous….
January 30th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
I hope McK is sending smoke signals that he likes Geno so other teams like Eagles and Zona fall in love with him so McK can trade down.
I’m hoping Joekel falls to Raiders at #3, then McK should be getting plenty of phone calls.
I also hope McK is looking long and hard at Ezekial Ansah!
6′6, 270 pound freak. Plug him in at RDE in 4-3 or as a stand up OLB in the 3-4 and let that kid go to work!
Huge upside!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Gdog–I’m hurt. All of my posts are funny to me. Some of u guys take me seriously. It’s all comedy.
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I sense you are a good person, but please dude… STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.
Stick to INTELLIGENT Raider football… you will thank me later… and so will this forum. Dumping CP and starting Pryor is just troll bait.
Ignore Mistic entirely…
January 30th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Right now I like Ansah ahead of Jones, Moore, Werner and even D Jordan!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
You guys ever use this blog while taking a deuce? Me neither….especially not right now.
That is all. Gnite nation
January 30th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Ya-voh,
Please allow me to introduce myself I’m a man of wealth and taste.
I hail from Stuttgart Deutschland. That is Germany to the layman.
We are heap big Raider fans.
We watchum much…how you say…futball…not the soccer kind either. Hahahahahahahaha.
I misplaced my monocle in the buttocks of heap cute fraulein. She is waiting back at teepee for me.
We hoistem and drinkum heap much firewater in salute of Raiders.
SIEG HEIL TO APACHE NATION!
January 30th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
I hope McK is sending smoke signals that he likes Geno so other teams like Eagles and Zona fall in love with him so McK can trade down.
I’m hoping Joekel falls to Raiders at #3, then McK should be getting plenty of phone calls.
I also hope McK is looking long and hard at Ezekial Ansah!
6′6, 270 pound freak. Plug him in at RDE in 4-3 or as a stand up OLB in the 3-4 and let that kid go to work!
Huge upside!
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Have to admit I had serious doubts about Ansah but seeing him against top teir competition I couldn’t help but give him high marks. He hasn’t even scratched the surface yet. He is ALL upside with his size and size potential with that kind of athleticism and competitiveness I would find it VERY hard to pass him up even at 3. Only Fisher gives me that same feeling of excitment. Ansah is unreal……….period
January 30th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I’m good with Ansah. Lot of defensive talent in the top 32.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Better than mingo?
I’m not sure mingo has some polish & played well in lots of high stakes games. He may also still have huge upside. He pass rushed & plays the run exceptionally well.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Nutsack–so ur entire illiteracy argument stems my stylized use of “u for “you”? Bravo. Are u that incapable of thinking outside of the box?
And my definition of a cross poster is someone who uses a different handle to support himself (level 1 nutcase), or someone who posts an alternate handle to hide behind (level 1 coward).
U fit the level 1 coward role since u are cross posting and accusing me of it. Hilarious.
I don’t consider it cross posting if u make no effort to hide it and in fact, are the one to point it out on urself. That’s just a dumb accusation. How am I cross posting when I SAID IT? U moron.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Please get us an end that can sack the qb in double digits per year
January 30th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Mingo has huge bust potential. Hasn’t really played much. Moore is the guy who has produced. Jones has serious injury concerns. Werner is the least athletic.
I’d take Moore.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
KnapSack Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Funny board. Few posters obviously love making racist comments, knowing a few will jump to call them racist. Then they call them racist. They reply with racist taunts. and on, and on.
I make a motion the mods ban all those who engage in this backasswards exchanges.
Now? Such a waste of time here when certain posters show up.
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You called it. There are a few clowns in here that can’t get enough of each other. In fact, I’d venture a guess that the handful of schmucks that engage in personal and racial attacks make up a good 60-70% of the posts in here. Some here complain about these threads getting too long. Get rid of these schmucks and we won’t have this problem. The day these jokers leave this blog for good is the day this blog improves by ten fold.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Dr Dumbass, don’t you have any kind of life?
January 30th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Why do trolls do it?
I believe that most trolls are sad people, living their lonely lives vicariously through those they see as strong and successful.
Disrupting a stable newsgroup gives the illusion of power, just as for a few, stalking a strong person allows them to think they are strong, too.
For trolls, any response is ‘recognition’; they are unable to distinguish between irritation and admiration; their ego grows directly in proportion to the response, regardless of the form or content of that response.
Trolls, rather surprisingly, dispute this, claiming that it’s a game or joke; this merely confirms the diagnosis; how sad do you have to be to find such mind-numbingly trivial timewasting to be funny?
Remember that trolls are cowards; they’ll usually post just enough to get an argument going, then sit back and count the responses (Yes, that’s what they do!).
January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
KnapSack Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Funny board. Few posters obviously love making racist comments, knowing a few will jump to call them racist. Then they call them racist. They reply with racist taunts. and on, and on.
I make a motion the mods ban all those who engage in this backasswards exchanges.
Now? Such a waste of time here when certain posters show up.
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You called it. There are a few clowns in here that can’t get enough of each other. In fact, I’d venture a guess that the handful of schmucks that engage in personal and racial attacks make up a good 60-70% of the posts in here. Some here complain about these threads getting too long. Get rid of these schmucks and we won’t have this problem. The day these jokers leave this blog for good is the day this blog improves by ten fold.
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yeah, i hate those guys.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
Updated mock draft sneak peek: 1) KC-Luke Joeckel 2) JAX-Bjoern Werner 3) OAK-Geno Smith 4) PHI-Star Lotulelei 5) DET-Damontre Moore
January 30th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Dr Dumbass, don’t you have any kind of life?
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….said the guy who is on here all day and keeps bugging me.
January 30th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
Going on KNBR 680 San Francisco at 1:00pm CT today, Bay Area folks.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
geno:
2012 71.2% 4205 yards 42 tds 6 ints
2011 65.8% 4385 yards 31 tds 7 ints
2010 64.8% 2763 yards 24 tds 7 ints
that’s a qb.
apparently there are a few people out there that look at our qb situation and realize we need a franchise qb of the future.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Most mocks still show KC picking Geno #1 overall.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Look u guys, i kno I’m here 24/7/365 blogging all my foootbll wisdom on u guys. If I wasnt here this place would b duller than basketball. I’m only here cuz yawl feel good around such fotball smarts, so that’s why im compelled to b here 4 u guys 24/7/365 honestly I’m honored to b here as y’all r honored to have me. 24/7/365 ain’t no jive. Got no time to hand jive. To busy keepin it realz.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
geno:
2012 71.2% 4205 yards 42 tds 6 ints
2011 65.8% 4385 yards 31 tds 7 ints
2010 64.8% 2763 yards 24 tds 7 ints
that’s a qb.
apparently there are a few people out there that look at our qb situation and realize we need a franchise qb of the future.
this guy is as legit as it gets. he is r qb of the future. deal with it.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
If KC doesn’t pick Geno, trade with Buffalo perhaps?
#3 overall for Buffalo’s #8, #41, and #71
January 30th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
geno has a lot going for him.
a ton of college starts so u can see a lot of film on him. and lots of experience with those starts.
big yardage.
ridiculous td/int ratio.
high completion percentage.
he has a little bit of a windup but the results have been good.
i would need to see a lot more film to know for sure, but the raiders have that covered.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Nutt Flix Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Look u guys, i kno I’m here 24/7/365 blogging all my foootbll wisdom on u guys. If I wasnt here this place would b duller than basketball. I’m only here cuz yawl feel good around such fotball smarts, so that’s why im compelled to b here 4 u guys 24/7/365 honestly I’m honored to b here as y’all r honored to have me. 24/7/365 ain’t no jive. Got no time to hand jive. To busy keepin it realz.
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looks like nutsack is trying real hard to emulate my style of typing so he can what? attempt to convince people i’m talking with myself? and then come on here and accuse me of it? self fulfilling prophecy. weirdo.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Post1289
That would be a good trade with Buffalo..
January 30th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
ry Some Reality Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
If KC doesn’t pick Geno, trade with Buffalo perhaps?
#3 overall for Buffalo’s #8, #41, and #71
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ur handle is try some reality and u think the bills will trade us their #1, #2, and #3 to move up 5 spots?
cmon man.
January 30th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
A 5 spot move in the top 10 is very costly. You should know this. If you need help, look up the draft value charts. According to the chart values, Buffalo would still need to make up 80 points to us, so it’s actually a modest proposition.
How much did the Redskins give up again to move up 4 spots in last year’s draft? lol
January 31st, 2013 at 12:26 am
Yeah, we could do that trade down with the Bills. Also if OT Eric Fisher is still on the board, we might be able to trade down with the Rams as they really need a LT to protect Bradford.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:28 am
I’m not sold on Geno Smith. I wouldn’t use a 1st round pick on him for sure.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:52 am
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January 31st, 2013 at 1:28 am
I could not agree with you more, sir…..
January 31st, 2013 at 1:30 am
Assuming this was a real Mod and not a fake one….
January 31st, 2013 at 2:51 am
Ass u & me
January 31st, 2013 at 3:08 am
ONLY way for Reggie to ROYALLY screw up this draft is picking a QB. He should trade down to somewhere in the teens or take the BPA at #3, whoever he thinks is best. But if he can pick up a 2nd round pick, or even parlay that 2nd rounder into a late first by tossing in DMAC, then do it Reggie. Be aggressive, be creative. Wheel and deal.
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Agreed, G123
I don’t care if we trade Palmer & McFadden, but this is NOT the draft to select a QB!
Pryor can compete for the starting job with two cheap veteran FA’s. if he loses out? so be it
January 31st, 2013 at 3:17 am
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January 31st, 2013 at 3:28 am
No sanity
January 31st, 2013 at 3:57 am
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January 31st, 2013 at 4:01 am
Dakota #910,
Palmer just needs a play caller, running game, WR’s and O-Line. then we’re set
LOL
After we finish with 6 wins or less I guess we can blame defense & special teams!
January 31st, 2013 at 4:14 am
At this stage in his career, he should probably be making in the $7-9 million dollar a year range, but so what? Cutting him doesn’t help the cap number. The Raiders were left in a bad cap situation and Palmer restructured which saved us about $9 million in cap space. Not his fault, the team needed to do it to save the space.
Cutting him does us nothing for the cap, and there are no better alternatives for 2012
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Attn: Dakota
CP3 costs $7.7 million to cut or trade and $16.85 million to keep this year
Reggie can save $9.15 mil by cutting or trading Palmer and probably get a decent draft pick
We can’t get a decent QB for that amount?
I’m fine with signing Matt Moore & Tim Tebow to compete with Pryor for the starting job.
Palmer didn’t get outplayed by young superstars like Luck, RG3 & Wilson … he got outplayed by Gabbert, Tannehill & Weeden
January 31st, 2013 at 4:27 am
Palmer’s been nice & professional towards Pryor, yet shows no leadership at all on the field
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Kell,
I don’t question Palmer’s leadership
I question his decision making. Couple that with his age & price tag = time to move on
January 31st, 2013 at 4:33 am
read this:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/08/carson-palmer-restructures-contract/
you’re welcome. you’ve just been educated. Palmer’s restructure pushed $3.85 million (on top of salary) and $3.85 million next year. Salary doesn’t count as a cap hit when you trade or release somebody.
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now I don’t want to see 500+ comments about how Reggie can’t afford (cap wise) to part ways with Carson
question is, are the Raiders committed to him regardless of pricetag? is Palmer willing to take a massive paycut? those are the only 2 thought processes that make any sense.
“Pryor sucks” doesn’t work.
Neither does “Palmer is a $13 million cap hit!”
January 31st, 2013 at 4:36 am
another good read:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/49941/the-carson-palmer-dilemma
January 31st, 2013 at 4:39 am
Notable Veterans Bound to Be Cut in Offseason:
Carson Palmer (QB, Oakland Raiders)
Oakland may have lost its season finale to San Diego on Sunday, but has a positive takeaway that could end Palmer’s time in silver and black.
Terrelle Pryor, who the Raiders have spent the past two years developing, started at quarterback in Week 17 and performed admirably. The former Ohio State star combined for three touchdowns and 199 total yards with no sacks against a Chargers defense that finished inside the top 10 in yardage allowed and racked up 11 sacks a week earlier.
With the continued rise of dual-threat quarterbacks throughout the NFL, it will be interesting to see if Oakland follows the trend and tabs Pryor as its starter next season.
One thing is for certain, though: Palmer won’t be back at his current price. The Raiders signal caller is due a base salary of $13-million for 2013, but it’s non-guaranteed money, so the team can cut Palmer without paying him a dime. At this point, that may be the most attractive option.
Palmer was the Raiders’ offensive lifeblood throughout the 2012 season, but mostly by proxy. Oakland’s struggles defensively forced it into constant passing situations and Palmer wound up putting up 4,018 yards and 22 touchdowns against 14 interceptions as a result.
Those aren’t terrible numbers by any stretch, even considering his 85.3 quarterback rating. But are they worthy of a $13-million base salary? Absolutely not.
Without a big contract restructuring, the Raiders may be forced to cut a man they gave up a first-rounder in 2012 and second-rounder in 2013 for.
By Tyler Conway (01/01/13)
January 31st, 2013 at 5:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
1300 already?
January 31st, 2013 at 5:59 am
PALMER SUX,PRYOR WILL START..NO WAIT,PRYOR CANT THROW,PALMER IS OUR MAN.THE PRECEEDING WAS A PREVIEW OF THE NEXT 4K POSTS….NO,THANK YOU..
January 31st, 2013 at 6:32 am
Can Carson!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 6:33 am
Seen something on IG that made me laugh!
“Good morning Oakland Raiders Haters. Have a warm cup of STFU!”
LMAO!
January 31st, 2013 at 6:42 am
now I don’t want to see 500+ comments about how Reggie can’t afford (cap wise) to part ways with Carson
question is, are the Raiders committed to him regardless of pricetag? is Palmer willing to take a massive paycut? those are the only 2 thought processes that make any sense.
“Pryor sucks” doesn’t work.
Neither does “Palmer is a $13 million cap hit!”
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“The difference ($11.575 million) would be spread equally over the next three seasons, with $3.85 million applying this year, next year, and in 2014.”
Here is the fact Rock, summed up in this line from your article. That $11.575 million signing bonus spread over the remainder of the contract becomes due immediately upon Palmers release, trade, retirement, voyage to the moon or untimely death!!! Why is this so hard to understand. The choice is simple for Reggie, take a $12 mill cap hit for NOTHING, OR take a $17 mill cap hit for a QB capable of 4,000 yards and 25+ TDs. Palmers production is in no uncertain terms worth the extra $5 million. (in the minds or rational NFL people, not racial blog extremists with an agenda)
January 31st, 2013 at 6:45 am
look who hooked up Ray Ray with deer juice
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/31/hue-jackson-apologizes-for-introducing-ray-lewis-to-s-w-a-t-s-owner/
January 31st, 2013 at 6:50 am
Funny how everything comes up on a very important week huh? I heard Gio Gonzales got popped as well, and A-Rod!
January 31st, 2013 at 7:23 am
The Raiders signal caller is due a base salary of $13-million for 2013, but it’s non-guaranteed money, so the team can cut Palmer without paying him a dime. At this point, that may be the most attractive option.
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Completely false information. There is no escape from the signing bonus.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:26 am
“In the grand scheme of things, none of it matters, since there’s no way Lewis would ever be suspended before Sunday’s game. But there’s definitely a cloud over Lewis that won’t be pushed away simply because Lewis has issued a general denial without specific elaboration on the underlying contentions and allegations.”
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I wonder if the NFL HOF will start keeping guys out of the Hall for this like the baseball writers are doing in MLB?
I am not even sure who votes for the NFL HOF….just other HOFers?
January 31st, 2013 at 7:26 am
Signing bonus is paid in full at signing though right? And then the salary cap impact is pro-rated over the “life” of the contract.
So we take a huge cap hit from the acceleration, and I am sure there is SOME guarantee’s from the restructuring, but cutting him only hurt the cap situation mostly, not Mark’s bottom-line.
I just don’t want to keep him around, start 2-5, have him get hurt, and then we are dealing with it again (granted not as extremely) next offseason.
Rip the band-aid off and move on.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:28 am
I thought Jerry Mac either had a vote or was close to getting a vote.
Peter King and John Clayton each have one, so scribes are involved in the voting process.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:34 am
I think it’s so funny how people get so worked up over the amount Palmer is due to make next season. As if its coming out of their own pockets. Also of note, these guys have no problem restructuring their contracts to make them more cap friendly. Believe me, if Palmer is moved/traded, it wouldn’t be because of how much he is making. It will be because they felt they had someone better at QB. And on the other end of that, if he is kept on the team, it’s because they feel he gives us the best chance to win.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:41 am
I thought I seen someone post yesterday that Carson may be more injured than what was led to be and may never recover in time. Not sure if that was true or not but…
January 31st, 2013 at 7:43 am
I think they will cut Palmer and resign like they did Cooper.C last season only they will do it after preseason when it’s to late for him to try and jump to another team and try to learn their system!!!
BusinessDecision!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 7:47 am
I think it’s so funny how people get so worked up over the amount Palmer is due to make next season. As if its coming out of their own pockets.
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So childish.
Why not take it a step further and say why do you care if the team wins or losses? You don’t own the team or play for it. You don’t get a Super Bowl ring if they win.
As long as your entertained, it shouldn’t matter right?
“Not your money, why do you care” = shallow end of the pool
January 31st, 2013 at 7:48 am
There are rules for only being able to restucture the same cotract once, so if Carson’s “restructure” last year falls under these rules, he can’t restructure again.
And any time a player restructures, they get MORE guaranteed money out of it.
That’s how it works, teams gets cap relief, player gets more guaranteed money.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am
Palmer is not Cooper Carlisle. If you cut him in order to get him back you would get into a bidding war with KC, AZ and possibly Jacksonville and others. I do not think you would save very much. AZ right now for Carson would also be a much more complelling situation for him considering the targets he would have and how well their defense is playing. They also have a better cap situation and more flexibility. You only do the cut and resign thing with marginal players. He would also be earning two paychecks like Routt and Wimbley did. If you cut him he is gone.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:55 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:23 am
The Raiders signal caller is due a base salary of $13-million for 2013, but it’s non-guaranteed money, so the team can cut Palmer without paying him a dime. At this point, that may be the most attractive option.
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Completely false information. There is no escape from the signing bonus.
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BCZ24
It seems like a lot of people on the board in addition to being expert QB scouts that know Pryor is the next CK or Steve McNair also are now experts on the cap. I honestly do not know of any reliable info on Palmers contract and cap hit for this year yet. Do you? Of anyone on the board you would be the one that knows based on past performance (and I am being serious here no sarcasm).
January 31st, 2013 at 7:56 am
Carson can’t restructure again simply because there are no more years to prorate the contract out. They could possibly give him a ‘new’ contract with more years, but for the same money to prorate it out further (with big salary backloaded, and club options to get out).
If we were keeping Knapp’s offense, then I would probably be on board with getting rid of Palmer, but we have a new Oc who is going to (at least its been said) cater his offense to Palmer and DMac. Eliminate the need for Palmer to throw 40 times and you eliminate the opportunity for him to make the bad throws he tends to make when he is trying to hard. Stay close, run effectively, and find a WR who can catch a Palmer will be very effective for us.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:26 am
Signing bonus is paid in full at signing though right? And then the salary cap impact is pro-rated over the “life” of the contract.
So we take a huge cap hit from the acceleration, and I am sure there is SOME guarantee’s from the restructuring, but cutting him only hurt the cap situation mostly, not Mark’s bottom-line.
I just don’t want to keep him around, start 2-5, have him get hurt, and then we are dealing with it again (granted not as extremely) next offseason.
Rip the band-aid off and move on.
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And put who out there? And PLEASE don’t say Terrel Pryor. The second we would cut Palmer and the world would see Pryor is not a viable option we would jettison to the top of the “desperately needs QB” pile. Which means trading and drafting would become even MORE difficult. Remember when the Whiners jumped a few spaces to get Kapaernick? Now you know why.
January 31st, 2013 at 7:58 am
LOL Chico.
Why do we care? It’s not our money.
We care because the NFL has a salary cap.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:00 am
1331. Gotta spend the money somewhere, might as well be at QB
January 31st, 2013 at 8:00 am
The whole notion of building an offense around D-Mac, with Carson running the play-action deep strike passing attack, and trying to stay close and limit turnovers has failed miserably pretty much the last two years. 2010 the offense played well at times, but Carson turned it over too much and McFadden was nowhere to be found the last half of the season.
Too stale, we need something fresh.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:02 am
One thing that irritates me about Jerry and Steve is they think the Cap is some sort of myth that does not matter. We always get our man etc… Therefore they never look into the cap hits and what the Raiders are doing in terms of FA in terms of what the Cap is and how different signings impact the cap etc… It’s like that angle does not exist for them. They need to detox from AD and start realizing when RM says we can or can’t do things based on Cap issues he means it.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:02 am
And put who out there? And PLEASE don’t say Terrel Pryor.
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I do not want to hand the keys to TP, but I would welcome him and either Geno Smith duking it out or Matt Flynn maybe, or him backing up Alex Smith.
Carson Palmer = Antwan Jamison
Great stats on last placed teams
January 31st, 2013 at 8:04 am
1333. So what are you suggesting, the Pistol offense? Because we already tried and failed at WCO. Building behind a Running game is the best option for this team, Palmer only had half a season w/out DMC in that system.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:05 am
The cap is like personal finances. If you want someting bad enough, you can get it. You can get another credit card, borrow elsewhere, not pay your entire car bill payment, or whatever.
But that doesn’t mean it is the right or best way to do things.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:00 am
The whole notion of building an offense around D-Mac, with Carson running the play-action deep strike passing attack, and trying to stay close and limit turnovers has failed miserably pretty much the last two years. 2010 the offense played well at times, but Carson turned it over too much and McFadden was nowhere to be found the last half of the season.
Too stale, we need something fresh.
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Huh? DM was injured CP3 was off the couch and learning on the fly and we still had some high scoring games. The Defense is what let us down in 2011. Have you not heard all the wish we had Hue people? But seriously, that kind of strategy works well for a team like the Giants and they have been winning their share of championships. Baltimore seems like that kind of team as well and they are in the Superbowl this year.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:06 am
I thought I read somewhere once that you cannot restructure a player’s contract in back to back years. Might just have been blog misinformation. Anyone know if that is true?
BCZ? Vegas?
Anyone?
January 31st, 2013 at 8:07 am
I was starting to have hope for the Lakers…..and then last night happened.
FML
January 31st, 2013 at 8:07 am
And put who out there? And PLEASE don’t say Terrel Pryor.
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Simply suggesting not building an offense around our most injured player, and if we want to be a run-heavy team, I have no prob with that, but can we have a plan B to Darren McFAadden?
January 31st, 2013 at 8:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:05 am
The cap is like personal finances. If you want someting bad enough, you can get it. You can get another credit card, borrow elsewhere, not pay your entire car bill payment, or whatever.
But that doesn’t mean it is the right or best way to do things.
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I think of the Salary cap more like our national defecit, endless borrowing with no deadlines to settle up.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:10 am
There are some rules attached Dakota, but there is the “restructure” and the “tear up the old contract and write a new one” grey area that I am unsure of.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:02 am
And put who out there? And PLEASE don’t say Terrel Pryor.
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I do not want to hand the keys to TP, but I would welcome him and either Geno Smith duking it out or Matt Flynn maybe, or him backing up Alex Smith.
Carson Palmer = Antwan Jamison
Great stats on last placed teams
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Ssmith’s stock is pretty high right now. Trading for Flynn or drafting Geno Smith would probably be worse than staying the course and trying to build the team and finding a Q a couple of years from now.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:11 am
I think of the Salary cap more like our national defecit, endless borrowing with no deadlines to settle up.
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Kind of, but we have a cap to “meet” each season.
We have strolled along with no national budget for like 5 years now.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:11 am
Simply suggesting not building an offense around our most injured player, and if we want to be a run-heavy team, I have no prob with that, but can we have a plan B to Darren McFAadden?
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That’s what Goodson is for. He should be just as good as DMC in the new system right?
January 31st, 2013 at 8:12 am
Morning Fellas,
Carson Palmer Contract, Salaries, and Transactions
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/carson-palmer/
This should explain it.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:13 am
I’d like to see Reggie mix his strict frugal ways with some Al Davis borrowing style. Make a splash every now and then rather than just eat Top Ramen for 4 more years
January 31st, 2013 at 8:14 am
I don’t think trading for Flynn would cost much of anything.
We could probably get him for a 2013 6th and 2014 5th.
I’d do it.
We need options at QB!!!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:16 am
#1336 Good post. Last year we tried to copy someone elses offense verbatim and look where it got us. What we need to do is be creative and develop something new and different and what I would like is a hybrid offense.
Can you impagine an offense with both Pryor and Palmer in the backfield at times. Can you imagine Pryor coming in on 2nd and 8 and the defense having a cow adjusting. Lets take our personal look at them long and hard and put our play makers in the best position to make plays with a blend of traditional offense and zone read or wildcat type offense. That is where I hope we go.
The majority of our offense can be the traditional pound and power block with play action but guys like Suprano I hope will weave things in to take advantage of our mathch up problems and believe me we have them. Think about it Pryor as a TE or option QB in surprise play, DMAC acting like a WR in a slot with a LB, Marcell Reese on any linebacker or Ausberry coming off blocking as a TE.
Knapp frankly was an idiot and I am totally disapointed. You would think someone with that kind of experience would scrap his blind faith and scheme and use the tools he has but no. At least the new OC has said we need to craft our system to the talent we have!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:17 am
Flacco and Kaepernick, both in the superbowl this year, would have led this team to a losing record. 2012 season was nothing more than a dress rehearsal. They had a full season to see who has what and to decide how to respond to it. Their first move was to schitt-can Knapp and the ZBS. I call it a good move. I think we will see significant improvement in the Raiders next year, if for no other reason than they will have more confidence in their offensive scheme. I agree that hitching our entire offense on DMC and his toes/ankles is a bad idea and I think we will be adding some depth at RB during the offseason.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:18 am
That’s what Goodson is for. He should be just as good as DMC in the new system right?
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I like Goodie a lot, but he seems more like a big-play 5-8 touches per game guy.
Can’t see him taking over a run-heavy offense and getting 20 carries a week.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:18 am
Lol
January 31st, 2013 at 8:21 am
Give me Chris Ivory over Goodson,Saints will not resign him,but I could see Atl making a strong push for him or Lions & Packers!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:22 am
Is 5000 a record here? I think so.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:22 am
Give me Bush again!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:24 am
Flacco and Kaepernick, both in the superbowl this year, would have led this team to a losing record.
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Disagree on Flacco.
You realize the Ravens were 5-11 the year before he got there? Hadn’t won a playoff game in 6 years.
He would have willed us to 8-8 at worst.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:24 am
Goodson could fill in in spot duty, but there is always the real possibility that DMC could go down in week 2. Is he enough to make it through the last 14 games with Taiwan Jones as the next option? Marcel Reece is great, but he isn’t an every down back imo. We need a legit 1 – 2 punch at rb
January 31st, 2013 at 8:26 am
Dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
I posted as beech’s actual handle
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well we know who has been hijacking handles now
this fraud also admitted to cross posting and being a racist last night
madden raider is gradkowski raider is mac turd burglar20 is sullivan is rob raider is clause is dr slob
wow this is truly one sick puppy
January 31st, 2013 at 8:27 am
Flacco is good with a nice pocket to throw from. You get guys in front of him with their hands in the air and he holds the ball just long enough to get sacked or throw away ob. He would have had the worst numbers of his career behind our line in my opinion.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am
Palmer is not Cooper Carlisle. If you cut him in order to get him back you would get into a bidding war with KC, AZ and possibly Jacksonville and others. I do not think you would save very much. AZ right now for Carson would also be a much more complelling situation for him considering the targets he would have and how well their defense is playing. They also have a better cap situation and more flexibility. You only do the cut and resign thing with marginal players. He would also be earning two paychecks like Routt and Wimbley did. If you cut him he is gone.
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Notice I said after preseason he will not sign with another team to be a back up when he most likely be the starter here!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am
There was a time when Frank Gore was just as fragile as DMC. THere’s also a chance he plays the entire year but i do agree we need a good back up. Goodson and Reese will do, there are more pressing needs in the Roster
January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am
2007 Ravens were 5-11.
They added Flacco in 2008, while losing maybe the greatest LT ever in Jon Odgen, and make the playoffs every year since.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am
Am I the only one who finds Tony Sparano’s title as assistant head coach to have some significant meaning? I don’t think Reggie is as dumb as a some people think.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:32 am
But I do like the passion Goodson played with last season he was the only one I see wit a little swagger!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:33 am
Gore has missed 12 games in 8 seasons.
McFadden has missed 23 games in 5 seasons.
Not even close.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:34 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am
Am I the only one who finds Tony Sparano’s title as assistant head coach to have some significant meaning? I don’t think Reggie is as dumb as a some people think.
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Just about every O-Line coach is given the Assistant HC position. Bill Callahan, Tom Cable, etc.., Seems to be pretty standard
January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am
Am I the only one who finds Tony Sparano’s title as assistant head coach to have some significant meaning? I don’t think Reggie is as dumb as a some people think.
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Yep DA start off 1-4 again he cld be gone before season end!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am
There was a time when Frank Gore was just as fragile as DMC. THere’s also a chance he plays the entire year but i do agree we need a good back up. Goodson and Reese will do, there are more pressing needs in the Roster
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You’re probably right, I think the best scenario would be for Taiwan to fix whatever his hang-up is. I always thought he was going to be something special.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am
Goodsons a paper tiger. Just like dmac. I would like another guy.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:36 am
PFF ranked the best RB’ as far as tackles broken per touch, and Goodson didn’t have enough touches to qualify, but if he did he would have lead the league.
He literally was credited with just a couple less tackles broken than McFadden, with 1/3 of the touches.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am
I think the best scenario would be for Taiwan to fix whatever his hang-up is. I always thought he was going to be something special.
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He needs Tom Rathman, Rath showed DMC how to block and hold on to the ball.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:29 am
2007 Ravens were 5-11.
They added Flacco in 2008, while losing maybe the greatest LT ever in Jon Odgen, and make the playoffs every year since.
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Compare their defense to ours. That’s the biggest difference to me.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:34 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:31 am
Am I the only one who finds Tony Sparano’s title as assistant head coach to have some significant meaning? I don’t think Reggie is as dumb as a some people think.
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Just about every O-Line coach is given the Assistant HC position. Bill Callahan, Tom Cable, etc.., Seems to be pretty standard
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No former HC usually gets the AHC title that’s pretty standard I think the position they coach is 2nd nature!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am
you can win with rb by committee, you dont need a super star or even a big name. Dmac playing 12-13 games this year will be good enough, you can sign a guy like peyton hilis for cheap as well.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am
No former HC usually gets the AHC title that’s pretty standard I think the position they coach is 2nd nature!!!
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Maybe, but Oline coach is something i’ve noticed for a while now, and not just with our team.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:41 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
wow this is truly one sick puppy
January 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am
So how do you guys think it looks for overhauling our DL? Not what you would do in a dream scenario, but legitimately? I would like nothing more than to see Kelly and Seymour both leave.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:43 am
1375. Yeah, plus we’ve got way more pressing needs than RB at the moment.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am
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January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am
The guy who hoax Manti is on Dr.phil today…
This shld be entertaining!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:44 am
MISTIC 1
yes Denver done it for years for fifth round draft picks if you have a good offensive line any NFL running back to gain yards you only need about 3 1/2 yards a carry.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:47 am
I think they need to resign Bryant, Move Houston to the 3tech spot. Shaugnessy can move to Houston’s side and we can either draft a DE early, or get a situational pass rusher to sub with Matt like Wimbley used to
January 31st, 2013 at 8:48 am
1337.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:05 am
The cap is like personal finances. If you want someting bad enough, you can get it. You can get another credit card, borrow elsewhere, not pay your entire car bill payment, or whatever.
But that doesn’t mean it is the right or best way to do things.
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Right, but I wonder how many of the leagues top teams actually do have balance in that regard and do it the “right way”.
I’m not suggesting these teams manipulate and borrow from Peter to pay Paul etc. cuz I haven’t done the research to know for sure.
We know cap numbers of every team with the info readily available, but those cap numbers we see don’t take into account bounuses and the repurcussions of what happens if certain players get cut, traded or released, and what is “guaranteed” etc.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Regarding the RB situation: We need a big bruiser, preferable an undrafted FA that plays with a chip on the shoulder and knows every carry could be the last. DMAC and Goodson are light and fragile.
Build the trenches through the draft! we can invest top draft picks in skill guys 2 or 3 years from now.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Bryant McKinney starting at lt in the superbowl.. that annoys me.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am
The_Judge37 Says:
There was a time when Frank Gore was just as fragile as DMC.
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I thought he was done after whatever injury (ankle?). How many years ago? He just keeps on going.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Or go 3-4 with Matt, Bryant, Houston on the line and focus on the LB’s. I think Dez can play NT. He’s strong enough.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:54 am
Number one thing we need to do to overhaul the DLine, is to cut Kelly.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:55 am
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:42 am
So how do you guys think it looks for overhauling our DL? Not what you would do in a dream scenario, but legitimately? I would like nothing more than to see Kelly and Seymour both leave.
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I agree on Kelly and Sey
Give me a pass rusher in the draft and a big body in the later rounds in case we play some 3-4 are bring in a big body vet gotta resign Byrant
Houston Christo Byrant Moore and sign another situational speed pass rusher or draft one in the late rounds
Or trade down and hope we can get Star in the 1st and a pass rusher in 2nd that a be cool but unlikely!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am
The Raiders are the porous team in the NFL in these Mackenzie will get it all straightened out he’s got one more yearand all will be right with the salary cap
I am sure were looking at all the options Carson Palmer could be traded for the right draft picks Kansas City would be good their number one. Just dreaming
I think we will draft a quarterback this year in the later rounds we have a good quarterback coach and I’m sure they want another player for him to work with
January 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am
Draft:
1- Barkevious Mingo [DE/OLB, LSU]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Quanterus Smith [DE/OLB, SMU]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Reid Fragel [RT, Ohio St]
Draft w/tradedown:
1- Barrett Jones [OL, Bama]
2- Alex Okafor [DE/OLB, Texas]
3- Kwame Geathers [NT, Georgia]
4- Omoregie Uzzi [OG, G.Tech]
6- Micah Hyde [CB, Iowa]
6- Albert Rosette [ILB, Nevada]
6- Xavier Nixon [OT, Florida]
7- Miguel Maysonet [RB, Stony Brook]
7- Travis Johnson [DE/OLB, SJSU]
January 31st, 2013 at 8:57 am
1375.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:37 am
you can win with rb by committee, you dont need a super star or even a big name. Dmac playing 12-13 games this year will be good enough, you can sign a guy like peyton hilis for cheap as well.
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… and it would make sense for Reggie to go in that direction coming from Green Bay where they have done it that way for years.
The only real stud rb’s I recall over the last 20 yr’s from there were maybe Dorsey Levens…? There have been solid ones along the way…some good fullbacks like William Henderson maybe but that position has been pretty interchangeable for them.
I still wonder how much of the “GB Way” Reggie will institute here.
January 31st, 2013 at 8:58 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:50 am
Or go 3-4 with Matt, Bryant, Houston on the line and focus on the LB’s. I think Dez can play NT. He’s strong enough.
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He did it the last few games.
A true NT is still needed though.
We’re going more towards 3-4 this off-season.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am
While we were told to be patient all yr sf changed qbs. And balt moved 3 offensive linemen and changed playcallers. When somthings broken you fix it.
in our case we should have changed play callers dumped the zbz, went with more man defense early and played reece at running back way more. and if the season went South after all that we should have played TP down the stretch not just 1 game. Smh
January 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:54 am
Number one thing we need to do to overhaul the DLine, is to cut Kelly.
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Yes, cut him with razor. Then release him.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am
Disagree with Mingo. Can be had after pick 10 anyway, and Werner is better all around run/pass. Also Werner is a versatile guy…can play stand up 4-3 LB or hand in dirt 3-4 DE. But if we can trade down and still get Mingo, I’m ok with that plan too.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am
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He did it the last few games.
A true NT is still needed though.
We’re going more towards 3-4 this off-season.
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I would’ve liked to see how McClain would’ve done in the 3/4 with a good NT in front.
Oh well.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:02 am
1394. I don’t really think we’re going to a 3-4 this season, but at this point i don’t really care anymore. It’s not like the 4-3 has been working for us anyways.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am
Marks hair Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am
While we were told to be patient all yr sf changed qbs. And balt moved 3 offensive linemen and changed playcallers. When somthings broken you fix it.
in our case we should have changed play callers dumped the zbz, went with more man defense early and played reece at running back way more. and if the season went South after all that we should have played TP down the stretch not just 1 game. Smh
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All True, All makes sense
January 31st, 2013 at 9:03 am
guest123 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:01 am
Disagree with Mingo. Can be had after pick 10 anyway, and Werner is better all around run/pass. Also Werner is a versatile guy…can play stand up 4-3 LB or hand in dirt 3-4 DE. But if we can trade down and still get Mingo, I’m ok with that plan too.
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Not after the combine/workouts.
Werner has dud written all over him. Not impressed with his game film AT ALL.
Its Moore or Mingo IMO.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:04 am
Yeah, Baltimore fired their OC after what, a 3 game skid? Maybe 4. They were divison leaders and Harbaugh wasn’t gonna watch his season go down the sh*tter. He says “You’re OUT……Caldwell, You’re in. Get us in the playoffs.”
January 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Oh well.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:39 am
No former HC usually gets the AHC title that’s pretty standard I think the position they coach is 2nd nature!!!
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Maybe, but Oline coach is something i’ve noticed for a while now, and not just with our team.
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You maybe right tho bro!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 9:05 am
You draft the guy with the most tools and upside. You can coach up the flaws.
Mingo is the most impressive athlete at the OLB/DE position.
Werner has too many flags, and doesnt stand out with game film.
Mingo has a way higher ceiling..
IMO of course. And others. LOL.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:06 am
A true NT is needed. But I wouldn’t reach on a top 3 pick for one. You need more of an impact player there. NT’s typcially are drafted a little later in round one. I think Star will be there if we trade down a few spots, maybe the low teens even. Problem I have with the high pick NT is the injury risk of those big guys who clog the middle. I think it’s a much higher probability that the NT in general gets injured or has to play injured. It’s not priority anyway.
With Tommy K and Seymour all but done, and shonasty not forcing the edge pressure, we need BPA edge rusher as top pick.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am
Have you watched the game tape on Werner? That man is no dud.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:09 am
I want Barkevious Mingo or Dion Jordan.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am
I can’t help about the shape I’m in
I can’t sing
I aint pretty
and my legs are thin
But don’t ask me
what I think of you
I might not give the answer
that you want me too.
Oh well.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am
Mingo has a way higher ceiling..
IMO of course.
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WE AGREE!
TO DISAGREE
January 31st, 2013 at 9:10 am
We should’ve done is let to Jackson and head coach . But that is yesterday and today is today.
So we will go back up our blocking hybrid defense.
And as far as the draft goes we will draft a dominant defensive lineman in the first round or maybe the hybrid linebacker title look for Kelly to come back Shaughnessy is probably gone this way I see it
January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am
guest123 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:08 am
Have you watched the game tape on Werner? That man is no dud.
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He was going against COLLEGE Right Tackles for the most part.
He has a quick first step.. I’ll give him that.
And listen, im not saying he’s a bust, garbage etc..
I just dont think he is what we need.
ANYONE drafted or signed on defense is going to have to be able to play 43 or 34..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am
Werner seemed pretty much like a non-factor in that bowl game and that was against Northern Illinois.
I didn’t watch a ton of FSU games and i’ve seen his highlights but Werner seemed pretty much like a non-factor in that bowl game against Northern Illinois for what it’s worth.
From what i’ve seen, I’m liking Mingo, since Jarvis Jones may be going # 2.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am
Can’t go wrong with Werner or Mingo.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:13 am
Now, when I talked to God
I knew he’d understand
He said sit by me
I’ll be your guiding hand
But don’t ask me
what I think of you
I might not give the answer
that you want me too.
Oh well.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:14 am
So who are the top 3-4 LB’s and top 4-3 DE’s that we could be drafting?
January 31st, 2013 at 9:15 am
Why is there a banner on the top of this page saying “Good luck San Francisco 49ers!” Which self-respecting Raiders fans bend over and switch hit and go all-gay and root for the Niners? Talk about a FAIL of advertising target audience.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:16 am
ANYONE drafted or signed on defense is going to have to be able to play 43 or 34..
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Werner does both. 43 LB or 34 DE never leaves the field
January 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am
I like Brandon Jenkins from FSU more than Werner. He was considered a better prospect (pass rusher) than Werner before his injury.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am
The problem with all the top-rated DE is that there is no “he’s the guy” of the group.
So you got Jarvis Jones, Mingo, Werner and Moore all sitting there, and depending on who you talk to , has them ranked 1-4 differently.
So I can’t see with the 3rd pick, drafting what could be the 4th best prospect at the position.
What kind of sense does that make?
January 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am
I don’t think Werner is a top 5 pick. He benefited a lot from playing with a loaded FSU DL.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:18 am
Ron wolf has been a bpa guy. If reggie follows his mentors form, we won’t necessarily be drafting defense in round 1. However, if we find a trade id think we go D for sure.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am
Trade back is still the ideal situation.
But if not I rank our options like this:
NT – Star Lotulelei
OLB/DE – Barkevious Mingo
OLB/DE – DaMontre Moore
QB – Geno Smith
OLB/DE – Dion Jordan
DE – Bjoern Werner
January 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:47 am
I think it’s so funny how people get so worked up over the amount Palmer is due to make next season. As if its coming out of their own pockets.
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So childish.
Why not take it a step further and say why do you care if the team wins or losses? You don’t own the team or play for it. You don’t get a Super Bowl ring if they win.
As long as your entertained, it shouldn’t matter right?
“Not your money, why do you care” = shallow end of the pool
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JFB – Im not sure how my comment was “childish.” I think it is very valid. If you want to say, “Trade Palmer because I don’t like him as a QB,” then I have no problem with that. But don’t use the excuse that you want him off the team, because he costs too much. WTF do you care how much he costs? I know, I know.. You’ll say, “Because, the more we pay him, the less we will have to sign other players.” My response to that is, if the Raiders want to keep him, and he wants to stay, then he will restructure to make his contract more cap-friendly. I’m not sure how you consider that a childish statement, but your entitled to your opinions just like me.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:17 am
I like Brandon Jenkins from FSU more than Werner. He was considered a better prospect (pass rusher) than Werner before his injury.
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We know you like him LOL..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:21 am
Lord I was born a ramblin man, tryin’ to make a livin and doin’ the best I can, but when it’s time for lea—vin I hope you’ll understand….that I was born a Ramblin man.
Oh well.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:22 am
Look we all have our favorites, but I am pretty sure we don’t have all the study put in by the Raiders scouting team and Reggie. In the end, I’ll be happy to trust Reggie to make the final call in determining the pecking order of impact DE’s.
Just because the draft is deep with them, doesn’t mean you should avoid them altogether. If you have a pick in the top half of the first round you will get a chance to draft one. But you can’t go down without at least a swing of the bat.
It’s why I hope Reggie trades down to the teens and picks up a 2nd rounder or future first rounder. Lots of good value spread out there.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:22 am
Of all the guys I watched in their bowl games (didn’t see much of Mingo) Werner was the most impressive, Moore was the least impressive.
I like Jarvis Jones motor, but he seems to get a lot of his sacks on his 2nd or 3rd move, working back to the QB. Not a lot of quick-burst, blow up the play immediatley stuff.
Werner’s instincts on play-recognition was great in that Northern Illinois game. Running across the field to tackle WR’s and screens and stuff.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am
1417.guest123 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:15 am
Why is there a banner on the top of this page saying “Good luck San Francisco 49ers!” Which self-respecting Raiders fans bend over and switch hit and go all-gay and root for the Niners? Talk about a FAIL of advertising target audience.
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Speaking of the Fairey-Niners, I kinda feel bad for Culliver. I mean should a straight man have the right to feel uncomfortable changing/showering with an openly gay
man?
Kinda crazy to think that Straight women wouldn’t object to changing/showering with Staight men? This seems like a double standard…
January 31st, 2013 at 9:23 am
I actually agree with your line of thinking, JFB.
Trade down if DE is he plan.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
guest123 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:16 am
ANYONE drafted or signed on defense is going to have to be able to play 43 or 34..
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Werner does both. 43 LB or 34 DE never leaves the field
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He’s not an NFL 34 OLB..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:56 am
Carson can’t restructure again simply because there are no more years to prorate the contract out. They could possibly give him a ‘new’ contract with more years, but for the same money to prorate it out further (with big salary backloaded, and club options to get out).
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I did not know about this. If this is true, then obviously my statement about him restructuring is not valid. Where did you find this information bcz24?
January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
back to my boring training class….
yawn
January 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am
Missdick–ur a squirming lying little punk b1tch. U picked pieces of my post and left out the other parts to try to make it seem the way u want it. Not a surprise since that’s what u with everything. Fu€k u punk.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am
DAV,
I don’t think D Jordan is a top 5 pick.
Star
Moore
Or QB Geno Smith
January 31st, 2013 at 9:26 am
cwolfman Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:24 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:56 am
Carson can’t restructure again simply because there are no more years to prorate the contract out. They could possibly give him a ‘new’ contract with more years, but for the same money to prorate it out further (with big salary backloaded, and club options to get out).
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I did not know about this. If this is true, then obviously my statement about him restructuring is not valid. Where did you find this information bcz24?
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The best hope is that Reggie put in language that voids the contract similar to Seymour’s.
And Palmer’s contract is done after this season.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am
LOL DAV
Me and Young American talked about Jenkins vs Werner a few months back. We both agreed that Jenkins was a better pass rusher, but Werner was better against the run and was a solid pass rusher.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:25 am
DAV,
I don’t think D Jordan is a top 5 pick.
Star
Moore
Or QB Geno Smith
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Fair enough.
I think he is.
This draft doesnt have Top 5 talent, but it is deep and spread out. So just about anyone can go anywhere in the 1st round.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am
I thought Werner and Mingo looked the best in there bowl games. They both popped off the screen to me.
Only concern is the were both playing LDE.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:30 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:28 am
LOL DAV
Me and Young American talked about Jenkins vs Werner a few months back. We both agreed that Jenkins was a better pass rusher, but Werner was better against the run and was a solid pass rusher.
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Yea I dont think Werner is THAT GUY.
He needs others in order for him to make an impact.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am
J Hill Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am
I thought Werner and Mingo looked the best in there bowl games. They both popped off the screen to me.
Only concern is the were both playing LDE.
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College position rarely means much.
Skill set is the key.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am
1-nation
January 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am
Palmer is not Cooper Carlisle. If you cut him in order to get him back you would get into a bidding war with KC, AZ and possibly Jacksonville and others. I do not think you would save very much. AZ right now for Carson would also be a much more complelling situation for him considering the targets he would have and how well their defense is playing. They also have a better cap situation and more flexibility. You only do the cut and resign thing with marginal players. He would also be earning two paychecks like Routt and Wimbley did. If you cut him he is gone.
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Notice I said after preseason he will not sign with another team to be a back up when he most likely be the starter here!!!
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Dose of reality, Palmer would start on 6-8 teams at least. If a team had an injury they would sign him to start especially after how he got in flow in Oakland after a few games in 2011 even if cut right after preseason.
I guess it is hard to believe with all the interesting posts on this board, but that is the way it is. By the way, TP unless he had a breakout preseason would start no where. (Please note: I am not slamming TP I think he really does have a chance to develop.)
If Raiders dropped him after preseason Palmer would just not sign and wait for a team that really wants him and most FA’s would start to consider that the Raiders are a cheesy organization that exploits people if they pulled a bush league move like that and RM would have egg on his face as he lost a starting QB for nothing and had to pay him considerable money to boot. We also would have wasted preseaon prep on a QB that would not even be here.
Like I have said before, I am really glad RM is the GM not some of you.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am
This draft doesnt have Top 5 talent, but it is deep and spread out. So just about anyone can go anywhere in the 1st round.
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I agree. That’s why the best option is trading down.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am
The first 3 or 4 rounds [depending on a trade down]we HAVE to come away with a Pass Rusher, Nose Tackle and O-Lineman.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:34 am
JFB,
I do recall Werner making some plays in that game but didn’t stand out as top 3 pick type player to me.
Granted, maybe my expectation was high since I knew he was a possibility for us in the draft.
I know their defense as a whole shut down NIU and Jordan Lynch.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:33 am
This draft doesnt have Top 5 talent, but it is deep and spread out. So just about anyone can go anywhere in the 1st round.
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I agree. That’s why the best option is trading down.
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Also could be the reason its so hard to trade down this year tho too..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:35 am
I’d like Werner more as a 4-3 DE, not OLB.
I lilke Mingo as an OLB.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am
J Hill Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am
I thought Werner and Mingo looked the best in there bowl games. They both popped off the screen to me.
Only concern is the were both playing LDE.
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College position rarely means much.
Skill set is the key.
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Agreed. I still rather have a DE who played against the best OTs in college football who usually play LT.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am
When does FA period open?
January 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am
As much as you guys loathe the Niners, that is the exact model we should be trying to replicate.
And I think its totally possible with good drafts the next 2 years.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am
Exactly DAV. Good point.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:37 am
Marks Hair Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:35 am
Goodson’s a paper tiger. Just like dmac. I would like another guy.
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Not sure what you mean there, Mark.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:39 am
The draft looks deeper at de than ot and nt… so we might wanna wait to take our de.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am
@DAV
Yes, that is the strategy we should emulate. It all starts with trading back and buildings the lines.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:40 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:36 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:31 am
J Hill Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:29 am
I thought Werner and Mingo looked the best in there bowl games. They both popped off the screen to me.
Only concern is the were both playing LDE.
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College position rarely means much.
Skill set is the key.
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Agreed. I still rather have a DE who played against the best OTs in college football who usually play LT.
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Absolutely.
One of the reasons I dont like Werner.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:42 am
I wasnt thinking of you.. tigers are beasts but paper is not exactly durable. it’s like saying someone’s got a glass jaw.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:42 am
Marks hair Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:39 am
The draft looks deeper at de than ot and nt… so we might wanna wait to take our de.
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NT is actually pretty deep this year..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am
Trade down (early- mid teens)
1- DT/NT J Hankins (The OSU)
2- Best available CB. I think Rhodes, Trufant, Amerson, or Poyer should be available.
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
3- DE D Jones (UCLA)
4- OLB Jamie Collins (S.Miss)
4(comp)- ILB Jackson, Reddick, V Williams, or Nico Johnson
Move Houston inside (he can be our G Atkins), draft a TE and depth in later rounds, and focus on offense in FA.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am
DJ Johnny, Thanks for noticing. Eat a peach.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
Ramblin’ man wasn’t on Eat a Peach. That’s embarassing.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
Move Houston inside (he can be our G Atkins),
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Not going to happen.
Outside is where he belongs.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
I don’t like investing high picks 1st and 2nd) in OL (excluding LTs). I believe we can build a solid OL without investing high picks in interior OL and RTs.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:43 am
Trade down (early- mid teens)
1- DT/NT J Hankins (The OSU)
2- Best available CB. I think Rhodes, Trufant, Amerson, or Poyer should be available.
3- DE/ OLB Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
3- DE D Jones (UCLA)
4- OLB Jamie Collins (S.Miss)
4(comp)- ILB Jackson, Reddick, V Williams, or Nico Johnson
Move Houston inside (he can be our G Atkins), draft a TE and depth in later rounds, and focus on offense in FA.
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I dont think Jones lasts til the 3rd..
And we wont get a 4th round comp pick either..
January 31st, 2013 at 9:47 am
there’s no mario williams or brian cushing in this draft. but there is a bj raji in star so you take him.
if you wanna gamble, geno smith can be aaron rodgers (beautiful deep ball) and moore can be clay matthews (relentless pass rusher)
January 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am
J Hill Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
Move Houston inside (he can be our G Atkins),
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Not going to happen.
Outside is where he belongs.
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LOL
He had 1 sack in the 1st 11-12 game. 3.5 sacks came in Dec.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
I don’t like investing high picks 1st and 2nd) in OL (excluding LTs). I believe we can build a solid OL without investing high picks in interior OL and RTs.
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Its possible for sure.
But thats more likely with the ZBS.
This draft we have to come away with a Pass Rusher, Nose Tackle and O-Lineman our first 3 picks…
January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am
I forgot. J thinks Houston is going to be an OLB in our new 3-4 defense.
A 290 pound OLB?!
January 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am
I dont think Jones lasts til the 3rd..
And we wont get a 4th round comp pick either..
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I think Jones will last for 2 reasons:
1- this draft is loaded with pass rushers
2- he is 4-3 base end, which will limit the. Amount of teams interested in his services.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:52 am
I dont think Jones lasts til the 3rd..
And we wont get a 4th round comp pick either..
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I think Jones will last for 2 reasons:
1- this draft is loaded with pass rushers
2- he is 4-3 base end, which will limit the. Amount of teams interested in his services.
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“Jones possesses prototypical size for a base end in a 4-3 scheme or an athletic 3-4 DE. Despite his size, Jones is a natural anchor in the middle of the defensive line and could easily be a rotational tackle.”
Just dont see him lasting til the 3rd. Not after his strong Senior Bowl showing.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:55 am
Plus UCLA ran a NFL style 3-4 under Jim Mora, he played all over.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:56 am
Datone Jones could be a Justin Smith type of player.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am
Wth is going on in here? !?!
Rational discussions on topic?
No endlessly repetitive bs about taking a $12mil cap hit to cut/trade your starting qb?
Did I hit the wrong blog? …
January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am
I get mad everytime I do a mock.. That 2nd round pick Hue pissed away would be REAL nice.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am
@Mark’s Hair
It was a joke, buddy! It’s like if you made a comment about DAV’s lack of coverage with regards to one of his mock drafts.
January 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am
I forgot. J thinks Houston is going to be an OLB in our new 3-4 defense.
A 290 pound OLB?!
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Hopefully Tarver is smarter than Rob Ryan that tried this back in 06 and had to abandon it. At least RR did it with marginal players and did not waste talent like Houston has.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:00 am
papertiger418 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:58 am
@Mark’s Hair
It was a joke, buddy! It’s like if you made a comment about DAV’s lack of coverage with regards to one of his mock drafts.
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Huh?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am
I think Reggie will be looking to trade back to get back into the 2nd round! Yeah, Hue kinda screwed the pooch on that one, but in some instances, had no choice (well…)
January 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am
I hope Olson figures out a way to use Ausberry. Kid seemed like a matchup problem for other teams and made plays in his limited opps….
January 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am
The only way I can rationalize drafting a CB in the first 4 rounds is if we trade down..
January 31st, 2013 at 10:02 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am
I get mad everytime I do a mock.. That 2nd round pick Hue pissed away would be REAL nice.
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Consider it this way, Any of the Defensive players you want would need to be taken in the 2nd round because we’d have to go QB with the 1st w/out Carson
January 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:02 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:57 am
I get mad everytime I do a mock.. That 2nd round pick Hue pissed away would be REAL nice.
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Consider it this way, Any of the Defensive players you want would need to be taken in the 2nd round because we’d have to go QB with the 1st w/out Carson
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Couldnt disagree more.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
I don’t like investing high picks 1st and 2nd) in OL (excluding LTs). I believe we can build a solid OL without investing high picks in interior OL and RTs.
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Why?
All four of the SB starting tackles were drafted in the first round. Do you think that is happenstance?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am
And yes, I very much appreciate the genuine football discussion right now.
We should definitely draft O-line with our 1st after we trade back. D-lineman are too hit and miss.
Also, what round is Dion Jordan projected to go? Some people were really talking the kid up yesterday.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am
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Consider it this way, Any of the Defensive players you want would need to be taken in the 2nd round because we’d have to go QB with the 1st w/out Carson
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Couldnt disagree more.
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Why? He’s 100% right. Unless you are sold on Leinert with Pryor as backup.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am
DAV,
He played DT mainly in UCLA according to what I have seen (only watched 2 games) and what I read.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am
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Consider it this way, Any of the Defensive players you want would need to be taken in the 2nd round because we’d have to go QB with the 1st w/out Carson
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Couldnt disagree more.
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Why? He’s 100% right. Unless you are sold on Leinert with Pryor as backup.
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We could and would have drafted a QB in the 2012 draft without the Palmer trade.
See how that works..
January 31st, 2013 at 10:08 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:01 am
I think Reggie will be looking to trade back to get back into the 2nd round! Yeah, Hue kinda screwed the pooch on that one, but in some instances, had no choice (well…)
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Did Hue have a choice?
Yes.
Door number 1 try to work thru Boller – remember it was Hue that choose him to be backup. AD would probably have oked whoever with JC as the starter.
Door #2 try to find the best available FA. The person would have similar start up issues with Palmer but would sign a one year deal and cost no draft pics.
Door #3 Raid some other teams practice squad and try to develop a young QB on the fly.
Door #4 Cast caution to the wind and mortage the future and win now – except we did not have the tools to win now as was evidenced down the stretch with that defense and with MFad injured etc…
He had a choice, he choose short over long term as a coach will do when his butt is on the line. It is up to grown ups to temper that and Mark or whoever else did not step in and stop it. As expected there was obvioulsy a leadership vacuum when AD died in the middle of the season.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:09 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:06 am
DAV,
He played DT mainly in UCLA according to what I have seen (only watched 2 games) and what I read.
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Yep. He has 3-4 DE written all over him.
Scary resemblence/skill set to Justin Smith.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:09 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:03 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:46 am
I don’t like investing high picks 1st and 2nd) in OL (excluding LTs). I believe we can build a solid OL without investing high picks in interior OL and RTs.
>>>>
Why?
All four of the SB starting tackles were drafted in the first round. Do you think that is happenstance?
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1- that was 30+ years ago, and the game has changed. Some teams don’t have a FB on their roster.
2- there is more than one way to build a team. Look at SF, they invested a lot in their OLs, and look at teams like the Giants and steelers who won 4 SBs without investing high picks in their OLs.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am
DAV,
I think he needs to add more weight to be a 3-4 DE, and I think his body is maxed out.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am
1468.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am
I forgot. J thinks Houston is going to be an OLB in our new 3-4 defense.
A 290 pound OLB?!
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Like Mario Williams on the Texans?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am
But I do think he can play 3-4 DE (RDE).
January 31st, 2013 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am
DAV,
I think he needs to add more weight to be a 3-4 DE, and I think his body is maxed out.
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Google image search of Justin Smith at Missouri… Same frame as Datone now…
January 31st, 2013 at 10:13 am
JLofty Says:
Wth is going on in here? !?!
Rational discussions on topic?
No endlessly repetitive bs about taking a $12mil cap hit to cut/trade your starting qb?
Did I hit the wrong blog? …
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Not directed to you JLofty.
Thought it was 13 mil. If Pryor lights it up, what’s his agent gonna ask for? Or any QB that you think is good enough for your team?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
Stop with the Super Bowl team comparisons.
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
Its about what fits your individual team, coaching staff, front office, training staff..
January 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:11 am
1468.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:50 am
I forgot. J thinks Houston is going to be an OLB in our new 3-4 defense.
A 290 pound OLB?!
________________
Like Mario Williams on the Texans?
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Just because a DE is standing up it does NOT make him a LB. Texans switched to 3-4 and moved Williams around to create mismatches.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am
Still stand firmly behind the theory that Terrelle Pryor needs to be the starter for this season.
Best case: You have your young, athletic, exciting QB.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney in the next draft.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:16 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
Stop with the Super Bowl team comparisons.
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
Its about what fits your individual team, coaching staff, front office, training staff..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Well said.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:17 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 9:32 am
REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 8:28 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 7:50 am
Palmer is not Cooper Carlisle. If you cut him in order to get him back you would get into a bidding war with KC, AZ and possibly Jacksonville and others. I do not think you would save very much. AZ right now for Carson would also be a much more complelling situation for him considering the targets he would have and how well their defense is playing. They also have a better cap situation and more flexibility. You only do the cut and resign thing with marginal players. He would also be earning two paychecks like Routt and Wimbley did. If you cut him he is gone.
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Notice I said after preseason he will not sign with another team to be a back up when he most likely be the starter here!!!
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Dose of reality, Palmer would start on 6-8 teams at least. If a team had an injury they would sign him to start especially after how he got in flow in Oakland after a few games in 2011 even if cut right after preseason.
I guess it is hard to believe with all the interesting posts on this board, but that is the way it is. By the way, TP unless he had a breakout preseason would start no where. (Please note: I am not slamming TP I think he really does have a chance to develop.)
If Raiders dropped him after preseason Palmer would just not sign and wait for a team that really wants him and most FA’s would start to consider that the Raiders are a cheesy organization that exploits people if they pulled a bush league move like that and RM would have egg on his face as he lost a starting QB for nothing and had to pay him considerable money to boot. We also would have wasted preseaon prep on a QB that would not even be here.
Like I have said before, I am really glad RM is the GM not some of you.
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Palmer is not a 13 mill a year QB,but your comment suggest that he is???
Let me make this clear for you.
So Palmer and Reggie have a sit down,he let CP know that we can’t afford to pay you 13mill a year with the cap situation,CP will understand because he has stated he is not playing for the money when he was asked about money when he was traded here and was interviewed.
After preseason Reggie lets him know we going to cut you and bring you back on as our starter but at a more reasonable price that will make both parties involved happy!!
But you seem to think CP,an aging Cp will take this as a slap in the face,when he was told he will be the starter,and will say no thinks Reggie I will go to Az or KC where hopefully I can learn the system in a week and beat out which ever QB those teams has,who had all offseason to learn the system and take their position or hope the guy infront him gets injured when he will be the starter here Mr Wind???
January 31st, 2013 at 10:19 am
Best case: You have your young, athletic, exciting QB.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney in the next draft.
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I’d be happy with either outcome, and if we END up with Clowney, then we know we can put the Pryor talk to bed.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:19 am
We could and would have drafted a QB in the 2012 draft without the Palmer trade.
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It prolly would have been Tannehill or Weeden. Unless of course we offered even more bootie for RG3 than Wash did, in which case we prolly wouldnt have a first or second this year…
January 31st, 2013 at 10:20 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am
Still stand firmly behind the theory that Terrelle Pryor needs to be the starter for this season.
Best case: You have your young, athletic, exciting QB.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney in the next draft.
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Agree. It’s about planning for the future at this point.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:22 am
We are not a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old, Pick 6 machine of a QB away from the Playoffs.
Next topic. Its a dead horse laying there and youre kicking it.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:25 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
Stop with the Super Bowl team comparisons.
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
Its about what fits your individual team, coaching staff, front office, training staff..
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Ok fine. A blue chip o-lineman would make us an INSTANT playoff contender.
Unless you are fine watching CP get pummeled for a second straight year. He was third in the league in hurries.
There is no bigger need on this team than giving CP more time… and McF more holes to run through.
The defense was playing pretty well by years end… especially the line. The o-line stunk throughout.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:26 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
Stop with the Super Bowl team comparisons.
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
Its about what fits your individual team, coaching staff, front office, training staff..
$$$$$$$$$$
You do realize we were 5th in sacks allowed and QB hits? lol
January 31st, 2013 at 10:28 am
We have 3 holes on the O-Line.
LG,RG,RT.
Bergstrom might be able to play RT.
Either way, one guy isnt gonna make this a playoff team.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am
We were 5 in sacks allowed last year, and DMC averaged 5+ YPC in 2011, and you people want to fix the OL?!?!
When was the last time we had a 1000 yards WR, or double digit sacks from a pass rusher, or 5 INTs from a DB?
Yeah let’s fix the OL that was 5th in sacks allowed, and that should help our WRs run better routes and catch better, it will help our pass rushers, and it will make our DBs.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:31 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:22 am
We are not a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old, Pick 6 machine of a QB away from the Playoffs.
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You sound like Mistic now.
Is 33 OLD to you? How old was Gannon when we picked him up? How old is Brady, Brees, or Manning?
Jeesh what an intellectually lazy comment… and look at his interception rate. It was middle of the pack. Another intellectually lazy comment.
And what the hell difference does his salary have to do with performance?
Can you be any more LAZY? I expect stupid comments like that when Mistic and his sock puppets are here… but Jeesh does EVERYONE here have to be so idiotic? It gets annoying….
January 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:25 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:14 am
Stop with the Super Bowl team comparisons.
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
Its about what fits your individual team, coaching staff, front office, training staff..
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>>>>
Ok fine. A blue chip o-lineman would make us an INSTANT playoff contender.
Unless you are fine watching CP get pummeled for a second straight year. He was third in the league in hurries.
There is no bigger need on this team than giving CP more time… and McF more holes to run through.
The defense was playing pretty well by years end… especially the line. The o-line stunk throughout.
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You do realize we were 5th in sacks allowed and QB hits? lol
January 31st, 2013 at 10:32 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
There isnt an exact formula that leads to building a Super Bowl team.
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There is! I have it. And for————-dollars, I’ll tell you.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am
Still stand firmly behind the theory that Terrelle Pryor needs to be the starter for this season.
Best case: You have your young, athletic, exciting QB.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney in the next draft.
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It’d be a lot worse than that if Pryor leads us to another top pick, then again we’d have to draft QB over Clowney
January 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am
Palmer is being paid $17mill in 2013. I said his CAP hit is a tick under $12mil even if he is cut or traded…
January 31st, 2013 at 10:35 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:31 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:22 am
We are not a 13 million dollar a year, 33 year old, Pick 6 machine of a QB away from the Playoffs.
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You sound like Mistic now.
Is 33 OLD to you? How old was Gannon when we picked him up? How old is Brady, Brees, or Manning?
Jeesh what an intellectually lazy comment… and look at his interception rate. It was middle of the pack. Another intellectually lazy comment.
And what the hell difference does his salary have to do with performance?
Can you be any more LAZY? I expect stupid comments like that when Mistic and his sock puppets are here… but Jeesh does EVERYONE here have to be so idiotic? It gets annoying….
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THIS TEAM.
Read it slowly…
THIS……. TEAM……ISNT……A…..13 million dollar……33 YEAR OLD…..PICK 6 MACHINE…..AWAY FROM THE PLAYOFFS…….
Dont put words into my statement that arent there.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:36 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am
We were 5 in sacks allowed last year, and DMC averaged 5+ YPC in 2011, and you people want to fix the OL?!?!
When was the last time we had a 1000 yards WR, or double digit sacks from a pass rusher, or 5 INTs from a DB?
Yeah let’s fix the OL that was 5th in sacks allowed, and that should help our WRs run better routes and catch better, it will help our pass rushers, and it will make our DBs.
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The only reason we were 5th in sacks allowed, is because CP was so amazing in getting the ball out. We were third from the bottom in HURRIES. And why would you skip last years running stats for McF??? Does EVERYONE have to be so intellectually lazy here???
I don’t mine picking up more defensive help, but only if we TRADE DOWN and keep trading down. Why? Because first round defensive players have such a horrible BUST rate. Its a 50/50 prop at best. Top 15 o-line picks are 3.5 times safer picks.
Now please respond with something besides bluster and idiocy….
January 31st, 2013 at 10:37 am
THIS……. TEAM……ISNT……A…..13 million dollar……33 YEAR OLD…..PICK 6 MACHINE…..AWAY FROM THE PLAYOFFS…….
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Did that make your idiocy more true?
I keep having to ask this… HOW OLD ARE YOU?
You seem 15.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:38 am
The_Judge37 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:33 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:15 am
Still stand firmly behind the theory that Terrelle Pryor needs to be the starter for this season.
Best case: You have your young, athletic, exciting QB.
Worst case: You have Jadeveon Clowney in the next draft.
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It’d be a lot worse than that if Pryor leads us to another top pick, then again we’d have to draft QB over Clowney
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Next years draft is deeper at QB..
Plus next off-season we will be almost totally out of cap hell..
A free agent QB isnt out of the question.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:40 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:36 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:30 am
We were 5 in sacks allowed last year, and DMC averaged 5+ YPC in 2011, and you people want to fix the OL?!?!
When was the last time we had a 1000 yards WR, or double digit sacks from a pass rusher, or 5 INTs from a DB?
Yeah let’s fix the OL that was 5th in sacks allowed, and that should help our WRs run better routes and catch better, it will help our pass rushers, and it will make our DBs.
>>>>
The only reason we were 5th in sacks allowed, is because CP was so amazing in getting the ball out. We were third from the bottom in HURRIES. And why would you skip last years running stats for McF??? Does EVERYONE have to be so intellectually lazy here???
I don’t mine picking up more defensive help, but only if we TRADE DOWN and keep trading down. Why? Because first round defensive players have such a horrible BUST rate. Its a 50/50 prop at best. Top 15 o-line picks are 3.5 times safer picks.
Now please respond with something besides bluster and idiocy….
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This Monkey is retarded.
We were 5th in sacks because CP was “so amazing….”
This retard needs help.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am
DAV,
I think he is retarded.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am
When someone doesnt agree with you, attempting to attack their character, age, maturiy isnt a very rational thing to do.
I appreciate all of you who can have a debate about a subject, with facts, opinions, and not take it THERE.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am
He can’t debate without using insults. He is a turd monkey.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:44 am
Btw retard, I skipped last year stats because the entire OL and DMC didn’t play well under the new scheme/ Knapp which we will change this year.
This turd monkey is on my ignore list.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am
I don’t mine picking up more defensive help, but only if we TRADE DOWN and keep trading down. Why? Because first round defensive players have such a horrible BUST rate. Its a 50/50 prop at best. Top 15 o-line picks are 3.5 times safer picks.
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WOW
We should draft OL because its a safer pick.
Gallery was a great pick, ha?
Lets ignore our needs and draft OL because their bust rate is lower.
Effie Turd Monkeys!
January 31st, 2013 at 10:46 am
Effin
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January 31st, 2013 at 10:51 am
WOW
We should draft OL because its a safer pick.
Gallery was a great pick, ha?
Lets ignore our needs and draft OL because their bust rate is lower.
Effie Turd Monkeys!
>>>>
He was actually considered one of the few busts by the statisticians, although a starter for what, 7 years? No, a bust is someone like McClain. Someone that will be out of football in 3-4 years.
If the only players you know of are Raiders, I would take Gallery over McClain hands down.
Is that the best you can do?
I will show you the article about statistics and drafting if you wish?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
Here’s a dream scenario:
Trade Terrelle Pryor & #3 pick to Eagles for #4 pick & #36 pick.
Trade #4 pick to Arizona [moving up for Geno Smith] for #7 pick, #70 pick[3rd] & 2014 1st rounder.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
I wish I never read your ignorant posts.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:41 am
When someone doesnt agree with you, attempting to attack their character, age, maturiy isnt a very rational thing to do.
I appreciate all of you who can have a debate about a subject, with facts, opinions, and not take it THERE.
>>>>
I only asked you that because you ignored my rebuttal and simply typed your statement in capital letters like a 15 year old.
If you wish to appear more mature, go back and address my statement about QB’s ages, and how salary has nothing to do with performance, and how Palmer didn’t throw that many INTs last year.
Or type your sentence in all caps again.
Your choice…
January 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DAV,
There are some monkeys here that you shouldn’t debate with. This turd monkey is one of them. They can’t debate like adults, so they use insults and Fart Noises. lol
January 31st, 2013 at 10:57 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:54 am
I wish I never read your ignorant posts.
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Ignorance becomes you.
It must be easier in life that way, isn’t it?
Here…. PICK A DEFENSIVE PLAYER!!! THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!
Better for you?
January 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am
Or you can not put in words that I didnt type or emply.
I never said anything about Palmer’s age being a factor in performance.
I never said anything about the amount of INTs he throws/threw.
I simply said, for THIS TEAM. He is not the guy at his current price, age and CAREER LONG tendency to throw back breaking Pick 6’s.
Its very simple, really.
January 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DAV,
There are some monkeys here that you shouldn’t debate with. This turd monkey is one of them. They can’t debate like adults, so they use insults and Fart Noises. lol
>>>>
Aww, did I hurt your feelings?
So sorry…
I will let you two type your sentences in all caps in peace.
Bye bye little boys!!
January 31st, 2013 at 10:59 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:56 am
DAV,
There are some monkeys here that you shouldn’t debate with. This turd monkey is one of them. They can’t debate like adults, so they use insults and Fart Noises. lol
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I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt..
But im starting to get weary..
January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Benefit of the doubt?!
Are you new here?
LOL
January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Carson Palmer doesnt always throw interceptions…
But when he does they are in key moments and are returned for touchdowns.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Benefit of the doubt?!
Are you new here?
LOL
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Actually been here longer than just about everyone on here..
I know how people are, but like I said every time I log on, I give em a chance..
January 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:58 am
Or you can not put in words that I didnt type or emply.
I never said anything about Palmer’s age being a factor in performance.
I never said anything about the amount of INTs he throws/threw.
I simply said, for THIS TEAM. He is not the guy at his current price, age and CAREER LONG tendency to throw back breaking Pick 6’s.
Its very simple, really.
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So your point is Reggie should just pretend CP isn’t on our roster because he’s too old, gets too much money, and throws too many ints??
I would rather bolster the line in front of him and bring in a true number one WR and see what happens! That seems like a better solution than saying HE SUCKS!!
Which is basically all your solution amounts too!
Great plan, Visor!
January 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
LOL… you guys never stop arguing..
A friend said he read that Oakland is eyeing Geno Smith at #3… Would they be thinking to draft Smith and let he and Pryor compete for the starting position?
Not sure I like this scenario, I dont know much about Smith other than he’s mobile and had big stats last year at WVU.. I’d rather us sit tight with the QBs we have and build our D and OL…
thoughts??
January 31st, 2013 at 11:05 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:01 am
Carson Palmer doesnt always throw interceptions…
But when he does they are in key moments and are returned for touchdowns
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So what is your solution to this??
That is the point.
Follow the logic train here…. debate 101.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:06 am
*Sigh*
GDog, if you werent so busy trying to seem smarter or bash others, you might actually see the point they are making.
God Bless.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:07 am
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:03 am
LOL… you guys never stop arguing..
A friend said he read that Oakland is eyeing Geno Smith at #3… Would they be thinking to draft Smith and let he and Pryor compete for the starting position?
Not sure I like this scenario, I dont know much about Smith other than he’s mobile and had big stats last year at WVU.. I’d rather us sit tight with the QBs we have and build our D and OL…
thoughts??
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The second thing you said.
CP is our starting QB for at least one more year (prolly two.) Bolster the line and bring in a true number one WR. See what happens.
Easiest solution on offense.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:10 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:06 am
*Sigh*
GDog, if you werent so busy trying to seem smarter or bash others, you might actually see the point they are making.
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You never made a point. All you said (in all caps) was we cannot make the playoffs with CP. You didn’t offer any reasons to back this supposed point up. You just threw it out there like it had validity.
It isn’t that I think I am smarter than you, I am just trying to make you realize you are not actually debating anything… you are just senselessly throwing nonsensical garbage out and pretending it is debate.
Jeesh…
January 31st, 2013 at 11:11 am
1513.JLofty Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 10:34 am
Palmer is being paid $17mill in 2013. I said his CAP hit is a tick under $12mil even if he is cut or traded…
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Actually, Palmer’s cap hit if he is cut is a tad under $8 million (3.68 mill x 2 years) barring any guaranteed monies that are unknown in the contract (there is a $7.5 million guarantee written in the contract but it is unspecified as to how or what that $7.5 mill is figured) I think it is a fair bet that that $7.5 mill in guarantees is salary money above and beyond his signing bonus, so using that figure it would appear that it would actually cost $14 million to cut him this season. (3.68 mill x 2 years in remaining bonus cap charges + 7.5 million guaranteed salary – $825,000 salary from last year = $14.035 mill)
January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am
DAV,
Happy? You gave the monkey another chance, but did he learn his lesson?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am
Here’s something to back it up:
We had Carson Palmer this year, we went 4-12, we didnt make the playoffs.
LOL.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am
If you cant understand that a re-building team that is trying to create cap space doesnt need someone of Palmers ability/contract/age, then I really see no point in going on with it..
January 31st, 2013 at 11:17 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:12 am
DAV,
Happy? You gave the monkey another chance, but did he learn his lesson?
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January 31st, 2013 at 11:18 am
By the time this team is ready to compete CP will be 35/36, and CP is no P Manning.
I would keep him one more year for Cap reasons, which will allow us to continue developing TP.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:19 am
DAV,
You tried. That’s all you you can do.
God Bless you bro.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am
We had Carson Palmer this year, we went 4-12, we didnt make the playoffs.
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So you are inferring that if we didn’t have Carson Palmer this year we WOULD have gone to the playoffs?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:23 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:22 am
We had Carson Palmer this year, we went 4-12, we didnt make the playoffs.
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So you are inferring that if we didn’t have Carson Palmer this year we WOULD have gone to the playoffs?
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Are you joking? You gotta be freaking kidding me.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:28 am
I don’t think anyone is blaming CP for our season, but most people understand that he is old, he is not an elite QB, and by the time this team is ready to compete he can be done at age 35/36. Why pay a guy $13 million for one year when you know you can’t compete for POs and he is not a LT solution at his position?
Only reason I can think of is that it will cost just as much/ if not more to let him go.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am
On Palmer: it would appear that it would actually cost $14 million to cut him this season.
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…and its for this reason that Hue should have his balls cut off!
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By the time this team is ready to compete CP will be 35/36, and CP is no P Manning.
I would keep him one more year for Cap reasons, which will allow us to continue developing TP.
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So thats what we’re getting for $13M, a possible starting QB/tutor for Pryor
January 31st, 2013 at 11:30 am
+1 point, Raider O
January 31st, 2013 at 11:31 am
there is rumors going around the Philadelphia Eagles are talking to the Raiders about trading for prior.
We went 4 an 12 this year because of our dumb mass offenses scheme
if we draft Gino Smith and trade Carson Palmer the team we traded to will pick up your salary and less he has a no trade clause which I don’t think they have any NFL
I’m sure Arizona or the Jets Marina in Kansas City would like to have Carson Palmer
I think the Raiders are in a position where they need Carson Palmer they would be afraid to go into next season with an unproven quarterback it would be hard to sell tickets.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Put up Palmers stats all you want, any real NFL mind will tell you they mostly all came in garbage time.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:33 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am
If you cant understand that a re-building team that is trying to create cap space doesnt need someone of Palmers ability/contract/age, then I really see no point in going on with it..
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So what is your SOLUTION to this? Dumping CP and taking a 8 mil cap hit for a player not on our roster (and losing a first and second round pick for NOTHING?)
Sorry man… thats just moronic. Its like putting 3/4 of your chips in the pot in poker and then dropping out before all the cards are shown. It makes no sense.
And if 33 is too old to make the playoffs… tell that to Brady or P. Manning… Oh, and they both get a lot of money to play QB too! Interceptions? Yup.. they both throw interceptions too!
Sorry man… you make little sense.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am
After seeing all the negatives regarding Palmer, why would you think anyone would trade for him?..
January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am
WOW.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am
1560.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am
After seeing all the negatives regarding Palmer, why would you think anyone would trade for him?..
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Do you think the Vikings would be better with Palmer than Ponder?
Are they a Carson Palmer away from a legitimate playoff shot?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:28 am
I don’t think anyone is blaming CP for our season, but most people understand that he is old, he is not an elite QB, and by the time this team is ready to compete he can be done at age 35/36. Why pay a guy $13 million for one year when you know you can’t compete for POs and he is not a LT solution at his position?
Only reason I can think of is that it will cost just as much/ if not more to let him go.
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WELL DUH! Congratulations on stumbling on the obvious!
Thus what do we do now? I say we draft either Joeckel or Warmack, and then sign a true number one WR! Make the team around CP better! See what happens!
I want Reggie to do some “moneyball” research into one of the FA WRs that statistically are at the top of the list, but are not the sexy names like Jennings or Bowe.
Now we are getting somewhere!
January 31st, 2013 at 11:38 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 am
1560.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:34 am
After seeing all the negatives regarding Palmer, why would you think anyone would trade for him?..
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Do you think the Vikings would be better with Palmer than Ponder?
Are they a Carson Palmer away from a legitimate playoff shot?
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Well, they made the playoffs without him lol..
That’s actually an interesting scenario… They might be the only team that would make sense to trade for CP3..
Nice work.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Mistic has turned the Palmer vs Pryor debate into a emotional race war for some people here. Arguing at this point is useless.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Amazing Raider O.
Apparently even though we are saying THE EXACT SAME THING, mine doesnt make sense. LOL..
January 31st, 2013 at 11:41 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Put up Palmers stats all you want, any real NFL mind will tell you they mostly all came in garbage time.
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Try watching the second half of the Pitts game and say that. Or the Jax game. Do you even watch the games? Lets go from there…
January 31st, 2013 at 11:42 am
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:41 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Put up Palmers stats all you want, any real NFL mind will tell you they mostly all came in garbage time.
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Try watching the second half of the Pitts game and say that. Or the Jax game. Do you even watch the games? Lets go from there…
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2 out of 15.
*golf clap*
January 31st, 2013 at 11:44 am
The fact is, the QB of the future is most likely not on the team right now.
The scary fact is, the QB of the present probably isnt either.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Amazing Raider O.
Apparently even though we are saying THE EXACT SAME THING, mine doesnt make sense. LOL..
>>>.
Nobody knows what your point is because you refuse to say it.
You obviously don’t think we are going to the playoffs with CP… all is lost? Correct so far?
So what should we do? Dump CP and go 0-16?
Kinda hard for Reggie to sell tickets with your “plan” there bubba.
Don’t you think?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am
Here goes Jerry and Cork again with that lets chat 49ers…gag!
January 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am
if we draft Gino Smith and trade Carson Palmer the team we traded to will pick up your salary and less he has a no trade clause which I don’t think they have any NFL
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Trading him would not get rid of the $8 mill cap hit for his signing bonus.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am
Try watching the second half of the Pitts game and say that. Or the Jax game. Do you even watch the games? Lets go from there…
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2 out of 15.
*golf clap*
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You don’t watch the games do you?
You just come here and try to pretend to be a football expert.
Ok… we are trying to help you out. To no avail…
I will pass this task to the others with more patience than I.
Good luck with Little Boy Visor….
January 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am
So the difference between 0-16 & 4-12 is worth Palmer’s contract?…
Interesting.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:47 am
1558.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Put up Palmers stats all you want, any real NFL mind will tell you they mostly all came in garbage time.
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ANY Qb playing for the Raiders last yr. would have been putting up big garbage time numbers becuz the defense (or special teams on a few occasions) were always putting us behind.
Pryor’s TD’s were garbage time at SD.
We blame Knapp for sucking and messing up the offense in the 1st place, no running game, receivers who (not one of them) crack the top 50 in the advanced statistical data and the worst defense in the franchises history.
I think Palmer did a pretty good job considering all that.
I truly wish we were a better qb than Palmer away from the playoffs.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:48 am
Hwnrdr Says:
Here goes Jerry and Cork again with that lets chat 49ers…gag!
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Yeah, why would anyone want to talk about the 49ers right now?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:49 am
In Alabama, Hostage Standoff Continues; Child Thought To Be Unharmed
The scary situation remains unchanged in southeast Alabama, where authorities say a man shot and killed a school bus driver on Tuesday and then took a 5-year-old boy to an underground bunker.
Dan Carsen of NPR member station WBHM tells our Newscast Desk that police are communicating with the kidnapper through a PVC pipe that connects to the bunker. Identified as 65-year-old Jimmy Lee Dykes, the suspect is “described by neighbors as a paranoid and combative” man, Dan adds, with “extreme anti-government views.” He also reports that “neighbors told media Dykes had threatened them, regularly patrolled his yard with a gun, and killed pets. His bunker has electricity: the boy has reportedly been coloring and watching TV.”
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/01/31/170745458/in-alabama-hostage-standoff-continues-child-thought-to-be-unharmed
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Another right-wing, anti-govt wacko.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:50 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:45 am
if we draft Gino Smith and trade Carson Palmer the team we traded to will pick up your salary and less he has a no trade clause which I don’t think they have any NFL
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Trading him would not get rid of the $8 mill cap hit for his signing bonus.
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Anybody that actually follows football knows the Raiders are not dumping or trading CP. Even casual fans know this.
But the resident genius’s here keep acting like this is an actual “solution.”
Its annoying as hell….
January 31st, 2013 at 11:51 am
Didn’t both DA and Reggie say that Palmer will be the #1 come camp time, but a competition will be there to give Pryor a chance?
January 31st, 2013 at 11:52 am
KoolKell Says:
Another right-wing, anti-govt wacko.
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MistaBrownstains, maybe? Looks like he hasn’t posted in awhile. They say this guy has electricity in his bunker, but no mention of internet.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:52 am
Carson Palmer is the QB of the Oakland Raiders for 2013.
Never said he wouldnt be.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am
Unless of course you dont know the difference between wouldnt and shouldnt.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:54 am
Im actually done talking about Palmer’s contract, because im sure there is language in it that none of us know about… As was the case with Seymour.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:56 am
Our qb situation is fairly straightforward, although there are options.
1) I think the team knows that Pryor is a long shot at qb but he’s intriguing nonetheless due to his “playmaking” ability. I’m not sure they would trade him in the off chance he could be a player. And I don’t think his trade value matches what he “could” be. I think they want to give him the offseason and preseason to see if he can be a qb, once and for all, with the idea that if he can’t, they will still try to find a way to use his talent. With that said, I think would trade him if the pick offered was high.
2) Palmer doesn’t represent “the future”, so it’s easy to give up on him and say “we’ll never win with him anyway” or “by the time we are ready to win, he will be too old”. But that’s not necessarily true. Quick turnarounds are possible, if not probable. Certainly DA wants to win soon, rather than build a team for someone else. I like Palmer. He’s good (sorry but he is), but I would think they might trade him if they felt good about a young guy. But they certainly aren’t there with Pryor. I could see them thinking “we have the #3 pick. Lets get our qb now while we gave our choice. But the chiefs and hags may be thinking the same thing.
3) some people think we should dump Palmer and get a cheaper “stopgap” who can start if Pryor isn’t ready or be a backup. This makes sense in a way but I don’t see it. Palmer would be better than any other vet we would bring in, and gives us the best chance at a quick turnaround. And he’s a mentor for Pryor. And he’s very savvy and will help the young receivers too. He’s to be commended for his willingness to do all that. Not bashed. Alex smith is not coming here to contend with Pryor. He will go somewhere where he is the unquestioned starter. Minnesota or Arizona seem likely. The problem with a guy like Matt Moore or Matt Flynn, is that when Pryor likely shows he’s not ready, and maybe never will be, ur stuck with Matt Moore or Matt Flynn as ur qb and u might not get ur qb next year.
My prediction? We keep Palmer and see if we can turn it around with an in-house quality qb. We give Pryor his shot to show us something and meanwhile make attempts to get the ball in his hands on the field in creative ways.
My hope? A qb like geno impresses enuff that we grab him. We find a team willing to give us a 2nd rounder for Palmer, thank him, and wish him luck with a contender. We look at Pryor, give him a chance, and both the raiders and Pryor realize he’s best suited in a wr role, and he puts his considerable work ethic to use in that capacity.
January 31st, 2013 at 11:57 am
Gdog Says:
But the resident genius’s here keep acting like this is an actual “solution.”
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In all fairness, the resident idiots thought trading away a #1 and #2 for CP was a good solution.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:52 am
KoolKell Says:
Another right-wing, anti-govt wacko.
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MistaBrownstains, maybe? Looks like he hasn’t posted in awhile. They say this guy has electricity in his bunker, but no mention of internet.
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Could be. Lol.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:01 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:40 am
Amazing Raider O.
Apparently even though we are saying THE EXACT SAME THING, mine doesnt make sense. LOL..
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
You like to give people chances?! lol
January 31st, 2013 at 12:05 pm
So just read Chip Kelly and the Eagles may sign Alex Smith and may trade for TP the article says Smith would be very familiar with Kelly’s offense cuz Urban Meyer had Smith run alot of read option at Utah which smith ran for over 600 yards and 10 Tds And obviously Kelly recruited TP hard I would love to trade TP for Foles and let him sit behind Palmer for a few year that would be a awesome scenario
January 31st, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Who should we draft? The guy who will have the biggest impact on our team for the next ten years.
If we stay at #3, it should be a on-the-rise qb, Joekel (but we do have a LT), or most likely, the best pass rushing RDE we like, in a draft with several. It’s a hole, a need, and a position that can make a difference.
If we trade down, warmack (nice fit between veldheer and wiz), milliner (best cover CB in the draft is a big need and the coaches have said as much), or the forgotten man teo (as the picture is getting clearer, it’s seeming less weird, and more like a young kid that fell for a modern day con-no big deal really, and it certainly could have affected his play in the national championship, as I thought he looked flat and spacy in his eyes. He’s a young man. It had to mess with him.) teo would still be a defensive qb who changes everything.
So we have lots if choices.
Best bet?
Damontre Moore at #3 or milliner at around #9.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:53 am
Unless of course you dont know the difference between wouldnt and shouldnt.
Of course…my post wasn’t directed at you!
January 31st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
so the debate about palmer and his worth rages on, and for the record it has nothing to do with me.
I will say this though for the people that are now trying to insulate themselves against the fear of losing palmer by saying “the cap hit prevents dumping or trading him”, please consider the following.
dumping a player and eating 8-14 million is not unheard of and has happened in many cities and in many sports.
Believe that what ever they feel they need to do they will do and it wont be about keeping a player simply because dumping him wont save enough money.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Agreed Mistic, but question is, will Reggie do it?
January 31st, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Gdog Says:
Or type your sentence in all caps again.
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OK.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Not sold on Milliner.
Especially in the Top 10.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Missdick–we’ve said a lot to each other. U don’t like me. But I’m willing to bury the hatchet for the sake of civility. It would be a good example and the other posters would appreciate it. I apologize for many of the names I’ve called u. I still feel ur wrong about a lot of things by I respect ur right to ur feelings. Are u willing to meet me halfway?
January 31st, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Regarding milliner and trading down, it’s simple. Does Reggie feel the guy he can get at #3 is that much better than the guy he can get lower, plus whatever he got for moving down?
If u feel the guy at #3 is a fantastic player, much better than the rest, then u grab him and be happy. But if u feel they’re relatively close, then u go down for value and pick up more picks.
Is Reggie in love with someone at #3? That’s the big question.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Id rather hope some other Gm falls in love with someone enough to trade up to 3.. Best case scenario..
January 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
The #3 pick has to be a team-changer. A guy who for ten years, people talk about when they talk about the raiders.
Who fits that description?
Moore? Geno? Joekel?
Seems like geno to me. But if he’s gone,
Barkley, glennon? Doubt it.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:25 pm
The best bet for TP to play is keeping Palmer and entering in mid-season if Carson limps us to 2-5 or something.
If they cut Palmer, they will either be drafting a QB early who will be given the starting role or making a play for a veteran FA starter that will be the starter, with a fresh clock so to speak as well.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Missdick–we’ve said a lot to each other. U don’t like me. But I’m willing to bury the hatchet for the sake of civility. It would be a good example and the other posters would appreciate it. I apologize for many of the names I’ve called u. I still feel ur wrong about a lot of things by I respect ur right to ur feelings. Are u willing to meet me halfway?
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pure comedy.
“meet me halfway”?!?! which “me” are you referring too?
Im not interested in being chummy with an admitted cross posting handle hijacking racist.
beside no matter how you “feel” about me being wrong, the truth is I have been right on more than a few things in here.
you have zero credibility having been exposed for your fraud for the hundredth time I might add.
i prefer to exchange ideas with people that are not tainted by your kind of hang ups and come to talk football.
NEXT!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2013 at 12:26 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:32 am
Put up Palmers stats all you want, any real NFL mind will tell you they mostly all came in garbage time.
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They didn’t come in garbage time. In fact Palmer was among the best players in the second quarter. In fact I think he was best in the league on the last drive of the lst halves.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:30 pm
If Geno is not on the board, I would bet that The Reggie will be adament at trying to trade down, and we may not get much out of it.
Move from #3 to #6 and maybe get a 3rd rounder type of thing.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:31 pm
“Carson Palmer took advantage of his weekly allotment of garbage time and completed 19-of-30 passes for 273 yards, two touchdowns”
Quick Google search will reveal statements like this.
Also a headline: “Is Carson Palmer the greatest garbage time QB in NFL history”
LOL.. Couldnt make this stuff up.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
The #3 pick has to be a team-changer. A guy who for ten years, people talk about when they talk about the raiders.
Who fits that description?
Moore? Geno? Joekel?
Seems like geno to me. But if he’s gone,
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I don’t think it is Geno. Joekel seems to be the best player on the board. Moore is going to be solid. Geno faded down the stretch. Dion Jordan might have the most upside.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Gdog Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:33 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 11:15 am
If you cant understand that a re-building team that is trying to create cap space doesnt need someone of Palmers ability/contract/age, then I really see no point in going on with it..
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So what is your SOLUTION to this? Dumping CP and taking a 8 mil cap hit for a player not on our roster (and losing a first and second round pick for NOTHING?)
Sorry man… thats just moronic. Its like putting 3/4 of your chips in the pot in poker and then dropping out before all the cards are shown. It makes no sense.
And if 33 is too old to make the playoffs… tell that to Brady or P. Manning… Oh, and they both get a lot of money to play QB too! Interceptions? Yup.. they both throw interceptions too!
Sorry man… you make little sense.
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Cap hit: The cap hit only matters when coupled with the value of the replacement and compared to what CP would have been paid if on the roster. Only conceivable way this could be worth it is if Pryor is ready and we get a cheap backup. And that is ultimately your greater point so, touché.
Picks: The picks are gone. Complete sunk cost. It doesn’t matter how good or bad Carson is, the picks traded away for him should not be taken into account when considering his future roles on the team.
Sunk cost P2, Poker: If you have a good hand it’s probably idiotic to drop out regardless of how much you put in. If you have a bad hand, it was probably idiotic to bet 3/4 of your chips in the first place (damnit Hue and Mark). The chips are lost, play the hand as it is.
These guys get paid: PM and TB are also two of the best QBs to ever play the game. Their decision making and leadership alone make them worth more than CP and his Fraggle Rock face. I will leave it at that.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Never “admitted” cross posting. U know this.
Never “admitted” being racist. U know this too.
Don’t bother snipping pieces of my posts as proof, since the test of my posts disprove it, but u don’t like that part.
The fact is, I’m vehemently non-racist.
U feel u have been right about things, good for u. I’ve made my feelings known about ur tactics. I won’t repeat them.
I have great credibility as a knowledgable football guy. Just my last few show an objective, intelligent take. I feel u post very one-sided takes for whatever ur agenda is. It’s well known. But that’s ur right.
I have no hang ups. I tried to make peace with someone who I feel does a lot of things I disagree with. U have elected to refuse. I’m not surprised really. Perhaps it is u with the hang ups.
But there’s no need to rehash it all. It’s a standing offer. Do with it what u will.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Damontre Moore, a 250lb DE? I’d take Star if he’s there.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Any defensive player you mention needs to be able to play 3-4 & 4-3..
We are going to be a multiple look defense.
That eliminates Jarvis Jones & Bjoern Werner right off the bat.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:38 pm
@DennisAllensVisor
Just curious, who do you think the Seahawks are going to target?
Carroll said that their greatest need is pass rusher?
Wonder if they trade up, not necessarily with us…
January 31st, 2013 at 12:40 pm
My top 3 guys are still jockel star and geno. For me its trade back or take one of them..
January 31st, 2013 at 12:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
I’ve never made a racist rant to no one in particular. There’s always someone I’m making my racist rants to.
I originally posted as rob raider.
It was clearly me and everyone knew it.
dr_robert Says:
January 30th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Nutsack–I guess ur referring to the “beech’s gay lover” or whatever ur is. No that’s not me. I posted as beech’s actual handle but added an extra e.
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are these not your words?
did you hi jack your own handle?
your just wierd
January 31st, 2013 at 12:43 pm
I don’t think geno faded. He has excellent stats. Ridiculous td/int ratio. Over 70% completion. There is a bit of a windup to his delivery.
The most realistic scenario is drafting a qb in the 4th. Someone like bray.
Btw, someone made a great post the other day regarding palmers supposed garbage time stats. He only passed for 124 more yards in the 2nd half than in the 1st. So it’s nonsense. Besides, if the team was better, he wouldn’t need to pass so much. It’s a ridiculous argument. His passing shows……..he’s a good passer! Whenever u need it.
And don’t tell me headlines written by fan-media like bleacher report. Just the facts.
Arguing that Palmer isn’t a good passer honestly makes u look either dumb, or like u are willing to lie just to further ur agenda.
Palmer is a good passer. Very good. Reckless at times.
Pryor is a fantastic athlete. Great desire and intangibles. A suspect passer, to put it nicely.
Those are just truths. Deal with those truths, and u show ur willingness to objectively talk about the raiders.
January 31st, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
January 31st, 2013 at 12:23 pm
The #3 pick has to be a team-changer. A guy who for ten years, people talk about when they talk about the raiders.
Who fits that description?
Moore? Geno? Joekel?
Seems like geno to me. But if he’s gone,
Barkley, glennon? Doubt it.
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I agree that that guy would be Geno. Just not in a good way. Only guy who should be excited for that pick is Jamarcus.
At least one of the pass rushers could be that guy in a positive way, but I don’t know which one will hit. To me the O-Lineman seem like the best players in the first round of the draft this year.
John David Barkley having been considered a potential #1 overall pick at one point was the most baffling thing I’ve seen from the talking heads. Related side note: I would trade just about anyone on this roster to get a second first next year so we can draft both a QB and Marquise Lee early.