Seymour decision haunting Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, February 12th, 2013 at 1:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
General manager Reggie McKenzie inherited a Raiders roster, he said, with “out-of-whack” contracts last season. As a result, he made a series of drastic moves designed to bring the situation under control.
Of note, he waived No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley soon after he was hired. Several other moves, including restructuring numerous contracts, helped the Raiders free up enough salary-cap space so that the Raiders could sign a handful of new players.
However, the one move McKenzie didn’t make is coming home to roost. McKenzie opted to keep aging defensive tackle Richard Seymour for one more season. As it turned out, Seymour played only eight games and didn’t have anywhere near the desired impact.
His biggest impact is going to be on this year’s salary cap, with Seymour counting for almost $14 million in so-called “dead money.” Put another way, almost one-eighth of their $121 million salary cap in 2013 is going to come from Seymour’s voided contract.
The Raiders would have been better off absorbing the blow of severing ties with Seymour last season, when it was apparent that they needed to deal with the contracts McKenzie considered out of whack.
As it stands, the Raiders are right up against the projected cap for 2013, with room needed in the coming days to re-sign some of their prospective free agents, other teams’ free agents and their 2013 draft picks.
Fortunately for McKenzie and the Raiders, there are a few viable options to get to where they need to be.
The obvious targets cutting or restructuring the contracts of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly. Cutting these two veterans would free up $10 million in cap space.
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer, a risky move, and turning over the keys to the offense to third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor or a veteran signed in free agency.
The more likely scenario involves restrructuring Palmer’s contract, as they did last offseason, so that it’s more cap friendly in 2013. The Raiders simply can’t afford to have Seymour and Palmer eat up approximately one-fourth of their cap space in 2013.
Beyond that, there’s not much else McKenzie can do this season, except to cut other veterans that free up a million here and a million there.
On the bright side, McKenzie is making strides toward getting the salary cap more in the Raiders favor. He can keep it that way by avoiding contracts such as the one given Seymour and made worse by keeping him around too long.
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February 12th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Oh thank God the other post did not hit 5000
February 12th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Finally! The Cork has come back to IBA
February 12th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer, a risky move, and turning over the keys to the offense to third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor or a veteran signed in free agency.
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Yeah risky moves were already done with Pick Six Palmer coming to Oakland so BFD!
Cut this POS(USC) now
Sign a vet at a reasonable price and draft a qb in mid rounds and let both compete with Pryor….very simple Reggie you big dummy
February 12th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Hopefully Palmer will reconstruct if he doesn’t we r really screwed.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 11th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Talk is cheap, you have to perform and all the talk about what Pryor can or cannot do will play out soon enough. That is why I have such confidence in the young man. My ONE an dONLY concern was that the Raiders would allow Pryor to walk out of here without making sure that’s what they should do.
I knew once he had his chance to show them who he is and what he’s capable of the rest would take care of itself. I’m very confident of what he can do, Palmer is very talented as well but he will have to raise his game several notches to keep Pryor on the bench. That bodes well for teh Oakland Raiders. I am not anti-Palmer I’m anti-losing and if Palmer can’t correct himself and beat out Pryor in camp Pryor should start……..period
No shanigans like last year with Leinart let the best man win. If it’s Palmer that’s fine by me I simply want to win and if he cannot achieve that end then put in Pryor. Don’t sit him and explain it away like they do TJ with ignorant statements like he’s not ready to be a backup. Because I know what that kid is capable of I just want him here so when he does take over we have a player to take us into the future. Pryor will change the fortunes of this org into what it used to be. I don’t doubt he will be the starter eventually sometime next season it’s just a matter of time…………..period
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Truth.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 11th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
B, I hear ya’ loud and clear bruh, I just know what I know and very confident in what I know. Not worried about these cats in here running their mouths because they don’t have any say in who plays at all.
At this point Palmer is all talent and no game. he has all the skills he just doesn’t compete well enough to win games and if he comes to camp he will see a young QB with skills and game that cannot be denied it’s just a matter of time. Let ‘em talk………….period
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agreed.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Even if you cut Palmer, you still have to contend with Palmer counting for $9.2 million in dead money. We already have about $14 million in dead money going to Seymour. Those two players alone are counting for over 10% of the 2013 cap.
Listen to Cork, listen to Paul G. A restructure is in order and I’m sure in the works. Palmer will likely take a pay cut in real dollars and agree to spread the cap hit. But in return he will be the starting QB. Read the writing on the wall. That’s how its going down.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
And if you think Reggie is going to walk away from 9 mill and lose his BEST PLAYER and a first and a second, you have no mind left. Its the stupidest suggestion in the history of suggestions.
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he already lost his 1st and 2nd round pick..and Palmer is not our best player. McFadden is our best player . every player on the roster and the rest of the league know mcfadden is our best player. he had a crappy year obviously, that actually just proved his worth.. When he is in the line up and does well, we do well. period. this season showed as much as ever that he is our MVP, whereas we NEED him to play well. the raiders the last 3 seasons have gone as darren mcfadden goes. the games we won were all games he played well in. ..carson palmer had one of the best statiscitcal years of his career and we were still 4-12…that dude is not that important. he is not our best player. Mcfadden is, that is why they are building an offense around mcfadden, not palmer. they canned knapp stricly because of mcfadden, they know that he has superstar potential, palmer is past that time where he had that potential, way past it. we won more games in half a season lat year with jason camppbell and a crappy defense because we had who? Mcfadden,, who was leading the league in rushing. Yea he has a hard time staying healthy, and he is strictly a power back. so what, he is probably, outside of peterson, the best power scheme rb in the league. teams have to account for him on every play, even when he wasn’t playing good teams would still stack the box.
If palmer is willing to restructure his contract significantly to help the raiders cap so they can ge more players, I’m all for it. Let pryor learn more from a guy he obviously respects and actually let pryor get a full year of at least backup snaps in practice rather than nothing at all and let him learn the offense. ..if he is not wiling to restructure thanhe obviously doesn’t care about the raiders getting better and is more concerned about himself, which a lot of players are. but if he isn’t willing to restructure to make this team better why would you want a guy like that under center, especially a team already devoid of leadership
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You had me all the way in until you said Palmer can stay at a reduced price
February 12th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
like i said…shrek owns the seymour contract…he failed.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Nothing Pryor has done convinces me that we should hand over the keys to the franchise with no safety net. I know that there a lotta people out there rooting for him. I know he has fans. But he’s still developmental and even if he does develop, it will be with growing pains. If he were an RG3 type of ascendent talent it would be obvious that he should start. He’s not though. Just telling it like it is.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 11th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
I’m sick of the excuses for Pick 6 Palmer….worse trade in history of sports has not paid off…when will my Raider brothers get it? 8 wins 16 losses and in those 16 losses about half of them werent even close…and in those 8 wins who did we blowout? I’ll wait
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easy my man. 4,000 yards remember
February 12th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
February 12th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
4769.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
I would say Desmond Bryant or Jared Veldheer are our best players, or at least the guys that do THEIR job the best and most consistantly.
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didn’t mention desmond or wheeler since they’re free agents
February 12th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Even if you cut Palmer, you still have to contend with Palmer counting for $9.2 million in dead money. We already have about $14 million in dead money going to Seymour. Those two players alone are counting for over 10% of the 2013 cap.
Listen to Cork, listen to Paul G. A restructure is in order and I’m sure in the works. Palmer will likely take a pay cut in real dollars and agree to spread the cap hit. But in return he will be the starting QB. Read the writing on the wall. That’s how its going down.
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5-11 is what you are saying
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Nothing Pryor has done convinces me that we should hand over the keys to the franchise with no safety net. I know that there a lotta people out there rooting for him. I know he has fans. But he’s still developmental and even if he does develop, it will be with growing pains. If he were an RG3 type of ascendent talent it would be obvious that he should start. He’s not though. Just telling it like it is.
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And Palmer is not Manning or Brady…nor is he even an above avg QB….tellin it like it is
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I don’t get it. WHY is Seymour counting for $14 million in dead money. How much time and money are left on his contract? Can someone please explain this? Did Al expect him to play until he was 40?
Also, Steve says that we would have been better off letting Seymour go last year. But he doesn’t say WHY. Wouldn’t the cap hit been as bad or worse?
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Funny that Cork says we should have just severed ties with Seymour last year instead of dragging it out another year, yet we can’t apply that logic to Palmer this season?
February 12th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
They restructured Seymour last year, and turned salary into a bonus (as reported).
So the dead money has to come from that acceleration of the bonus.
So many different reports, now cutting Carson saves 9.2 million in cap space, according to the above post.
Earlier it was reported that it would save $6 million, and cost 9.2 in dead money cap space.
Man, where is BcZ!!!!! Thought we hired that guy on retainer for these things.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
RaiderfanNY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I don’t get it. WHY is Seymour counting for $14 million in dead money. How much time and money are left on his contract? Can someone please explain this? Did Al expect him to play until he was 40?
Also, Steve says that we would have been better off letting Seymour go last year. But he doesn’t say WHY. Wouldn’t the cap hit been as bad or worse?
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Seymour’s salary last season was converted to a signing bonus, $13 million of which is still unaccounted for on the cap. Since he’s gone, it all accelerates onto this year’s cap.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
I hope DHB also reconstructs he’s def no number 1 WR but if we can get back to using him the way Hue did in the intermediate passing game he can make a nice positive impact for us especially if we can run the Rock successfully in 2013
February 12th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Cut Palmer, Seymour, and Kelly. Rebuild this team through the draft. I think DHB will restructure. I want DHB to stay in Oakland, being an Al draft pick.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Lack of cap space is why The Reggie might be desperately trying to trade down if Geno is not on the board at #3.
We may take less than “market value” in a trade down, just so we pay our 1st round pick #8 overall money instead of #3 overall money.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Palmer is not Manning or Brady, never said he was. Also to be fair he’s not paid like them either.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 11th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
I’m sick of the excuses for Pick 6 Palmer….worse trade in history of sports has not paid off…when will my Raider brothers get it? 8 wins 16 losses and in those 16 losses about half of them werent even close…and in those 8 wins who did we blowout? I’ll wait
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easy my man. 4,000 yards remember
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1000 yards a win….great….hope he gets 10,000 yards next year
February 12th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
DHB has been a good soldier (outside of the DUI) and a quality locker room, offseason guy.
If we could just iron out that darn gameday thing we might be on to something.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RaiderfanNY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I don’t get it. WHY is Seymour counting for $14 million in dead money. How much time and money are left on his contract? Can someone please explain this? Did Al expect him to play until he was 40?
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Prorated guaranteed money is accelerated when the player is cut. In other words, anything he was guaranteed over the life of the contract is immediately due.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
DHB fkin blows….get him out
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
If given the option Palmer will definitely restructure as long as it puts more money in his pocket.
Think of how much money we have paid Palmer in a year and a half.
2011 – about 4 million
2012 – 5 million roster bonus
Upon restructuring
2012 – 7.5 million roster bonus
2012 – 12 million signing bonus
2012 – 1 million salary
That’s 29.5 million
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Palmer, Seymour, Curry.
We have up two 1’s, a 2nd, a 5th and a 7th for these clowns.
And a gazillion dollars in cap space.
Hell, with that front office resume we were lucky to win 4 games.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
I’ll take DHB back at 1.5M/yr contract if we are looking for change in the couch cushion. Otherwise cut him and move on.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Funny that Cork says we should have just severed ties with Seymour last year instead of dragging it out another year, yet we can’t apply that logic to Palmer this season?
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Only three people on blog last offseason wanted Seymour gone….b@uce,Mista and Len
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Thanks for the answers. I guess Reggie just put off the inevitable for one year. Sounds like there is no way around taking this hit.
The whole Seymour trade/contract was a big hit. His play and leadership never justified giving up a first-round pick. We couldn’t stop the run before Seymour arrived — and haven’t been able to since. And all the dumb penalties…
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Hell, with that front office resume we were lucky to win 4 games.
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word
February 12th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Logic82 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
If given the option Palmer will definitely restructure as long as it puts more money in his pocket.
Think of how much money we have paid Palmer in a year and a half.
2011 – about 4 million
2012 – 5 million roster bonus
Upon restructuring
2012 – 7.5 million roster bonus
2012 – 12 million signing bonus
2012 – 1 million salary
That’s 29.5 million
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Cut
February 12th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
29.5 million dollars….SMH
I hope MoonBeam at least sticks it to him in April.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
DHB can be salvaged at the right price. Let Pryor start, next season is already over. The team might as well give Pryor the snaps.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
DHB has great YAC ability, if we can only get him to catch the ball in a position to YAC all the time, he could be really good.
But he has that funky catching “motion” that has him catching too many balls at a dead stop.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
I could be DEAD wrong about this, but i heard somewhere that you can go over the cap with “dead money” If someone kno2ws about this, and I mean actually knows about it, not just giving their opinion, please share.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Fk… Every time I hear an explanation of our salary cap issues it’s a bigger mess than was thought….
February 12th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
I haven’t heard of that, but you can spread out two players “Dead-money” over two years.
I think they have to be waived/cut by June 1st to do that.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Kelly is gone! Too much money and far too little production.
DT/NT Star may then be the pick at #3 or a Trade Down of course!
I think Palmer and DHB restructure again.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Greetings Nation!!! Just got back from the Parades. Had my Raider Gear on, Hat and shirt with big shield on full display. Well, on display until about the 10th float. Neck was draped with beads at that point. But the Krewes saw the hat. Those riders had some Raider fans among them or they figured I was a tourist amongst all the Saints and LSU fans out in droves.
BTW, I am convinced Steve is messing with us and know we want to get to 5,000 once we pass 1,000. He just monitors the total and throws up old news when the posts hit 4800. Pure Slime.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Its only CP that is talked about as a viable dump. And people can’t understand why I consider such a “solution” crazy?!
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It’s harder to hit the “Dump” button when you don’t have something “Better” lined up. Who’s the guy then? Pryor? Smith?……A FA?
It’s like quitting your job before you have another one lined up.
I’m not opposed to dumping him….But for who?
I wish we could have seen more than 1 game from Pryor.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
“Most NFL contract guarantees contain language which allows a club to reduce the amount they owe a released player by the amount of his new deal with another club (an “offset”). ”
hopefully some of the guys we cut have this in their contracts and get signed to decent contracts. i’m sure that would help.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
New York Post@nypost
BREAKING: Fugitive cop Christopher Dorner in mountain shootout with LA cops http://nyp.st/WZHV2N
February 12th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
42.theghostronin79 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Its only CP that is talked about as a viable dump. And people can’t understand why I consider such a “solution” crazy?!
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It’s harder to hit the “Dump” button when you don’t have something “Better” lined up. Who’s the guy then? Pryor? Smith?……A FA?
It’s like quitting your job before you have another one lined up.
I’m not opposed to dumping him….But for who?
I wish we could have seen more than 1 game from Pryor.
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Exactly!
February 12th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
It’s a miracle!!!!!!!!!! new post
February 12th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Hindsight is always 20/20. mweren’t all these so called “experts” and writers all saying we should find a way to keep seymour last yr. Now they are saying its a bad move…Jesus…
February 12th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Funny that Cork says we should have just severed ties with Seymour last year instead of dragging it out another year, yet we can’t apply that logic to Palmer this season?
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Had we cut Seymour last year we would have been on the books for 7.5 million (his guaranteed 7.5 million but no 7.5 million in salary). By restructuring and turning most of his money due him into a bonus it all becomes accelerated onto this year’s cap.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
I wish we could have seen more than 1 game from Pryor.
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I think everyone, Pryor Haters, and Pryor likers alike, would agree with this statement. for different reasons obviously, but agreement nonetheless.
February 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
OMG…New Post!
February 12th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Ngraiderfan… Exactly… At the very least its confusing
February 12th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Finally! The Cork has come back to IBA
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If you smellllllllllllllllllll what the Rock is cooking!
February 12th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Not only the mircle of a new post but a new outlook, I guess the cap is relevant after all?
I hope Steve and Jerry are not duking it out over this. I can see it now
Steve: “Kick Rocks Jerry I am going to write about the cap on your old blog.”
Jerry – “over my dead keyboard”
Steve: “What keyboard you still take dictation and by the way did you know there is Free Agency and a salary cap”
Jerry: “Really, I thought that was just a myth – that is what Al told me anyways – I mean they always got their guy, Reggie just does not know the dark magic of Al.”
Steve: ” Wow that is dark magic indeed considering the overall Raiders record since the cap and FA’s.”
February 12th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Start Palmer let Pryor be the backup build the trenches and run the rock with authority in 2013 please .
February 12th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
You go to the Huffington Post article on this Dorner shootout, and most of the “live” twitter comments are urging him to kill as many cops as possible on the way out.
Shameful
February 12th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
55.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
You go to the Huffington Post article on this Dorner shootout, and most of the “live” twitter comments are urging him to kill as many cops as possible on the way out.
Shameful
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the society we live in…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
How much if we retained Seymour? Just curious? Overpayed backup…I know, I know, someone might hit me with the stupid stick.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Dutch
I think someone said it would save us 40 million dollars over the life of the contract by cutting him now. Keeping him not an option the epitomy of an out of wack contract.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
56.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
55.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
You go to the Huffington Post article on this Dorner shootout, and most of the “live” twitter comments are urging him to kill as many cops as possible on the way out.
Shameful
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the society we live in…
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Seriously, but doesn’t it sound like a 80/90s action movie?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Sounds a lot like Rambo First Blood except the guy was not brutalized by the cops first.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
57.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
How much if we retained Seymour? Just curious? Overpayed backup…I know, I know, someone might hit me with the stupid stick.
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something like 19 mil. pretty ridiculous if you ask me.
my info:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/9/3971488/report-oakland-raiders-void-richard-seymour-contract-pick-up-the-tab
February 12th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
If cutting his is going to cost that much money, might as well just keep him, Cut Kelly and use Seymour as a situational 3tech DT.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Funny that Cork says we should have just severed ties with Seymour last year instead of dragging it out another year, yet we can’t apply that logic to Palmer this season?
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One thing is Seymour’s knees are done and he often injured. The guy didn’t even practice half the time.
There aren’t even any statistical factors anyone can point to as to his impact…plus Seymour had a viable backup to come in and replace him..who did better.
As far as the contract situation…there’s similarities.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I see cork is still a palmer apologist.
he makes the argument that cutting DHB and kelly would save 10 mil so this justifies thier ouster.
Then he says cutting palmer alone would save 9 mil but attempts to make a case against it by using pryors inexperience as his crutch.
i agree that cutting kelly could be done as bryant and houston can play inside, and it couldnt get much worse then it has been.
DHB cant be restructured? Also if you cut DHb who is left to play wr? A 2nd year player in streater, and injurury plagued dmo 17 and ford? So why isnt the experience argument used to make a case for dhb?
This is a simple propaganda technique on the part of tribune. they blindly homer for palmer, while at the same time dismissing pryor and dhb.
why am i not surprised
February 12th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
If cutting his is going to cost that much money, might as well just keep him, Cut Kelly and use Seymour as a situational 3tech DT.
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We save 5 mill. by cutting him and avoiding the 19 mill. he would have made.
Sure. Al started the Seymour thing but Reggie poured a bucket of salt on the wound.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Regarding Dorner, this is needed in LA every few years. During the LA Riots the LAPD was running scared, then things calmed down and they went back to normal asskickings&killings. They needed this checking
February 12th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
DVAG = cap menace. Pay him with a 24k walking boot up his pansy azzz
February 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
How much if we retained Seymour? Just curious? Overpayed backup…I know, I know, someone might hit me with the stupid stick.
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Had we kept Seymour his contract for 2013 was 7.5 guaranteed bonus and 7.5 salary. What he did -essentially- was get his 7.5 bonus. Then upon restructuring he did no practices and played exactly half a season for the remaining 7.5 or half of 15 million. I don’t know if he or the Raiders added the void clause. You could say that Seymour just threw away 7.5 million in guaranteed money due him in 2013 but this way he is guaranteed that he won’t get traded to a team not of his choosing. Seymour will be back and playing well with some other team this season (NE?).
February 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
60.1960AutumnWind Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Sounds a lot like Rambo First Blood except the guy was not brutalized by the cops first.
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Action Jackson? Tango and Cash?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
You go to the Huffington Post article on this Dorner shootout, and most of the “live” twitter comments are urging him to kill as many cops as possible on the way out.
Shameful
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on the part of whom?
I dont blame anyone that has been victimized by the law enforcement agencies rooting for dorner.
While i dont condone his action the mental illness is a direct result of the racist environment he has been created in.
This includes working for supervisors in the la pd that are also the same cops that are on video beating the hell out of rodney king.
cause and effect
February 12th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
I dont blame anyone that has been victimized by the law enforcement agencies rooting for dorner.
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“Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves everyone blind and toothless”
February 12th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Its only CP that is talked about as a viable dump. And people can’t understand why I consider such a “solution” crazy?!
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It’s harder to hit the “Dump” button when you don’t have something “Better” lined up. Who’s the guy then? Pryor? Smith?……A FA?
It’s like quitting your job before you have another one lined up.
I’m not opposed to dumping him….But for who?
I wish we could have seen more than 1 game from Pryor
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Well said!
I honestly think there will be a “playoffs or your gone” contract drawn up for CP, and he will sign it.
Hopefully by next season if CP has a crappy year Pryor will be ready. If he has a great season I am sure the contract will have an option to be extended.
The people hoping we dump Palmer and start Pryor have a different agenda and it has nothing to do with football.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
71. Doesn’t mean lesson’s aren’t still taught and learned.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Yes, the lesson is you mess with cops you will get your brains blown out.
I hope that lesson is taught and learned.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
But he hasn’t got his brains blown out
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I hope future cops harass the hell out of any of Dorner’s nieces and nephews for eternity.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Logic82 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
How much if we retained Seymour? Just curious? Overpayed backup…I know, I know, someone might hit me with the stupid stick.
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Had we kept Seymour his contract for 2013 was 7.5 guaranteed bonus and 7.5 salary. What he did -essentially- was get his 7.5 bonus. Then upon restructuring he did no practices and played exactly half a season for the remaining 7.5 or half of 15 million. I don’t know if he or the Raiders added the void clause. You could say that Seymour just threw away 7.5 million in guaranteed money due him in 2013 but this way he is guaranteed that he won’t get traded to a team not of his choosing. Seymour will be back and playing well with some other team this season (NE?).
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Yeah right. His old creaky knees won’t allow him to even practice half the time.
He’s as done as done can be.
Or maybe some team will bring him on for the “leadership” he brings to the table. LMAO.
Ask CJ37 about that myth.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
seymoures body will not allow him to play at a high level for any significant stretch any longer.
Like plamer he is shop worn and on the shady side of the hill
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Dorner is one crazy mfka lmao…..he had his Michael Douglass “Falling Down” moment eh?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Steve who?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I hope future cops harass the hell out of any of Dorner’s nieces and nephews for eternity.
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What sense does that make?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Seymour been done since 2008…..where have yall been?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
77. Well that pretty much guaranteed, related to him or not, they’re still black.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
80. Falling down was a good movie.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Yes, the lesson is you mess with cops you will get your brains blown out.
I hope that lesson is taught and learned.
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was fred hampton “messin with cops” when they busted in his home and gunned him down while he was in bed sleep?
Was rodney king “mesin with cops”?
Was Osacr Grant “messin with cops”?
seems to me a black man can simply be target of cops and marked for death weather he is “messin with cops “or not
February 12th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
@Mistic1 Tha Supavillain
As a community leader, do you encourage the black youth you advise in becoming future police officers in their community?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
I wonder who we could have drafted with the Seymour Pick. Probably another Heyward Bey or JBustus or Huff – never mind.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
I hope future cops harass the hell out of any of Dorner’s nieces and nephews for eternity.
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present cops already do that
so did cops in the past
so will cops in the future
February 12th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
What sense does that make?
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About as much sense as him killing that lawyers daughter.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The people hoping we dump Palmer and start Pryor have a different agenda and it has nothing to do with football.
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some, not all..don’t generalize everyone who wants to see pryor play as having an agenda other than football. I’m seeing all these young athletic qbs tear it up this year and I look at what they did in college and what TP did. I look at their skill sets and I look at pryors, and I get a little juiced, I want to see whats up. there no agenda other than wanting the raiders to be good.
Russell Wilson’s first game as a starter:
18/34 (52%) for 153 yds, 1 td, 1 int 62.5 rating 27.5 QBR
8 rushes, 20 yds, 0 tds.
Lost to Cardinals
T Pryors first game:
13/28 (46%) 150 yds, 2td, 1int 72 rating 71.2 QBR
10 rushes, 51 yds, 1 td
by majority of the stats, including tds, rating, and
QBR pryor had a better game.
this y i’m saying all these people that say pryor doesn’t have a chance at being a good qb are crazy by judging him on one game.
I’m sure NOBODY would be complainging if we had russell wilson right now…
we might just have better. give him a chance.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
@Mistic1 Tha Supavillain
As a community leader, do you encourage the black youth you advise in becoming future police officers in their community?
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i advise my youth to follow what ever passion they have that can make a positive impact for the community.
I dont act as if i can decide for them, i only give them a frame work to view the world from
February 12th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
90. It makes sense, he’s not out for justice, he’s out for revenge. He made that pretty clear
February 12th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Ok, so we take the hit with seymour, acknowledge and move on, kelly gone. Restructure dhb of possible cut breisel and yes raider fans cut Palmer, not being controversial just being realistic again for 2014.
Forget jennings and bowe, i think this year is too build and figure out if this offense can produce, if not 2014 major changes.
Btw jennings i am sure goes to patriots
February 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Most if not all of the po dont give a flying Fck about ur avg citizen.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The people hoping we dump Palmer and start Pryor have a different agenda and it has nothing to do with football.
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some, not all..don’t generalize everyone who wants to see pryor play as having an agenda other than football. I’m seeing all these young athletic qbs tear it up this year and I look at what they did in college and what TP did. I look at their skill sets and I look at pryors, and I get a little juiced, I want to see whats up. there no agenda other than wanting the raiders to be good.
Russell Wilson’s first game as a starter:
18/34 (52%) for 153 yds, 1 td, 1 int 62.5 rating 27.5 QBR
8 rushes, 20 yds, 0 tds.
Lost to Cardinals
T Pryors first game:
13/28 (46%) 150 yds, 2td, 1int 72 rating 71.2 QBR
10 rushes, 51 yds, 1 td
by majority of the stats, including tds, rating, and
QBR pryor had a better game.
this y i’m saying all these people that say pryor doesn’t have a chance at being a good qb are crazy by judging him on one game.
I’m sure NOBODY would be complainging if we had russell wilson right now…
we might just have better. give him a chance.
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excellent post
you could also scores of other qbs that had shaky starts and went on to be quality qbs
February 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
So Heyward Bey is set to earn around $10mil this year. Wow. Seems like a good kid but that ALL BY ITSELF explains why we haven’t won $#it in 30+ years.
Al never seemed to get the idea you CANNOT play project with top 10 picks. Maybe less risky now with the rookie cap but $#^%^& going to be eating this $#it for YEARS to come…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
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February 12th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
A couple of links to local TV stations covering the Dorner standoff:
www(dot)kcal9.com
www(dot)abc7.com
I know the area a little. “Back way” to Big Bear. Same road that tour bus crashed two weeks ago.
(The mod wouldn’t let me post the entire link, on the first try.)
February 12th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Can we align pro palmer pro pryor guys here, obviously ( as hue would say) I am a pryor fan where is my buddy dr. Rob?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Mistakal how on EARTH are YOU in position to be giving kids frameworks on how to view the world. Talk about mioptic!
No wonder this country is so f’d up…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
95.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Most if not all of the po dont give a flying Fck about ur avg citizen.
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I don’t want to be a Police office and it begs the question of who does want to become police officers? What types of people…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Align me with the RAIDER NATION and RAIDER victories…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
96.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The people hoping we dump Palmer and start Pryor have a different agenda and it has nothing to do with football.
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some, not all..don’t generalize everyone who wants to see pryor play as having an agenda other than football. I’m seeing all these young athletic qbs tear it up this year and I look at what they did in college and what TP did. I look at their skill sets and I look at pryors, and I get a little juiced, I want to see whats up. there no agenda other than wanting the raiders to be good.
Russell Wilson’s first game as a starter:
18/34 (52%) for 153 yds, 1 td, 1 int 62.5 rating 27.5 QBR
8 rushes, 20 yds, 0 tds.
Lost to Cardinals
T Pryors first game:
13/28 (46%) 150 yds, 2td, 1int 72 rating 71.2 QBR
10 rushes, 51 yds, 1 td
by majority of the stats, including tds, rating, and
QBR pryor had a better game.
this y i’m saying all these people that say pryor doesn’t have a chance at being a good qb are crazy by judging him on one game.
I’m sure NOBODY would be complainging if we had russell wilson right now…
we might just have better. give him a chance.
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excellent post
you could also scores of other qbs that had shaky starts and went on to be quality qbs
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agreed, andrew luck same way
23/45 (51%) 309 yds 1 td, 3 ints rating 52.9 QBR 39.2
2 rushes 9 yds 0 tds
got blown out by the bears
February 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Dutch you have to narrow it down a little further…
What types of folks want to be police officers in greater Los Angeles?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
guest123 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Palmer is not Manning or Brady, never said he was. Also to be fair he’s not paid like them either.
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Screw Brady! His play against SF and Baltimore was “shameful”. The guy was scared of his own shadow and the other offensive players followed his lead. I’ve got to think the Pats will have coaches at JR’s pro day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9bRZjpgdh8
February 12th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
BTW, thanks for the new post Cork.
I know it probably takes a while to wash off the 49er stench. But nothing since last Thursday?…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
What sense does that make?
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About as much sense as him killing that lawyers daughter.
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Yeah none….so whats your point?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
ian85 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Hopefully Palmer will reconstruct if he doesn’t we r really screwed.
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Lol! Yeah, if he will “reconstruct”, we might just get back to 4-12 again. You need a new brain.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
104.JLofty Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Dutch you have to narrow it down a little further…
What types of folks want to be police officers in greater Los Angeles?
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Yes, sorry very true…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Hey, Pryor can throw, and if given time and snaps will get better and better. We know this a semi critical year decisions must be made, and I say throw him into the fire, please explain to me how palmer will improve??? And tell me he will win more games, yea right.
Btw I am Caucasian I have no agenda only bleed silver and black
February 12th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Mistic let’s round up real pryor supporters!
February 12th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mioptic lol
February 12th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
y does it haveto be pro palmer or pro pryor. Y can’t it be what someone thinks is the best for the team. i’m saying carson palmer, contract as is, is not good for this team. restructure and keep him, fine. I don’t care. If he’s our qb day one plays well and we get a win o’m not gonna be upset about it I’m gonna be posting “RAAAAAAAIIIIIDDDEEERRRRRSSSS!!!!” on FB all day.
I just think the pryor hate is completely unjustified by his one game as a raider. thats really ppls only justification because you can’t say much about his college career he only lost 4 games in 3 years at a major program and put up very solid qb numbers and progressed every year lie he should have. So all the claims about him are based on one game. I’m pointing out facts, and the facts are that a lot of really good qbs (who are actually in better circumstance than pryor was, being inactive for most of the year and never working with the 1st team offense) have had rough first games. Their teams didn’t write them off as “this guy will never be a qb in the nfl” or “the dude is terrible” and some of them are franchise qbs. I just pointed out 2 (andrew luck and Russell Wilson. I’m just saying stop hating on pryor and give the young man a chance.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
The people hoping we dump Palmer and start Pryor have a different agenda and it has nothing to do with football.
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some, not all..don’t generalize everyone who wants to see pryor play as having an agenda other than football. I’m seeing all these young athletic qbs tear it up this year and I look at what they did in college and what TP did. I look at their skill sets and I look at pryors, and I get a little juiced, I want to see whats up. there no agenda other than wanting the raiders to be good.
Russell Wilson’s first game as a starter:
18/34 (52%) for 153 yds, 1 td, 1 int 62.5 rating 27.5 QBR
8 rushes, 20 yds, 0 tds.
Lost to Cardinals
T Pryors first game:
13/28 (46%) 150 yds, 2td, 1int 72 rating 71.2 QBR
10 rushes, 51 yds, 1 td
by majority of the stats, including tds, rating, and
QBR pryor had a better game.
this y i’m saying all these people that say pryor doesn’t have a chance at being a good qb are crazy by judging him on one game.
I’m sure NOBODY would be complainging if we had russell wilson right now…
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Except for JFB. Awful, right?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
question for you experts…who restructured seymours contract to take this hit? any guesses?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Posted this before, we are drafting D all the way, and free agency will be similar to last season, no big names, we get the concept of the team this year cleanup the cap and go like gang busters in 2014, to me the draft is very critical this year Reggie needs to hit some home runs
February 12th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
any other gm works the cap…”Lions President Tom Lewand says the amount of cap space a team has at any given time is less relevant than how flexible the team is able to be in re-tooling its roster” pft
February 12th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
more…“The cap is fluid,” Lewand told Detroitlions.com. “I’ve used the analogy before that anybody who tells you how much cap room you have is looking at a still from a movie and it doesn’t tell you much about the movie.”
February 12th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I thought the big knock on Russell Wilson was his height?
February 12th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I agree with another poster that we are already done for next season. There is no way we are going to put a team together that competes with Denver. I would cut Palmer, DHB, and Seymour and Kelly. As much as it kills me this team is a mess. Ownership knows it, that’s why we are tarping Mount Davis. As a season ticket holder, it’s hard to find much to be positive about. The team is probably leaving in two years, we’ll get a new coach and GM. I bet the only players still on the team when it goes to LA are Jano, Wiz and Veldeer.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
the so called salary cap is and always has been largley illusion and propaganda designed to be fodder for media and fans.
A team can pay what they want to whom they want and can alswyas find ways to make things fit.
Any raider fan will nkow this as Al Davis flipped the bird tot he cap year after year.
Contracts are only as valuable as the paper they are written on, and can always be circumvented
February 12th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Hey Al is the Raiders Apologist
Who was the one that made the trade and signed Seymour in the first place?!!!!!!!!!!! Who signed Wimbly and Who signed Routt to their deals. Just shut up. Please. You have no credibility after apologizing for AD over the last 18 years since FA. It has been almost unwatchable except for when Gruden was here and the year after. Even the 8-8 teams were weak and puffed up with uncapped year bad FA signings. So sick of hearing Priest and others like him rag on Reggie after all the garbage they peddled.
RM made that move because he needed the cap space last year or we would have had to flush out more players last year. In retrospect that might of been a good idea but he was flushing a lot already and we did not have a Luck to suck for.
February 12th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
The draft this year is very critical, forget big name free agents Avril resigns with lions for big money, we should go after
Dominigue Rodgers cromartie
February 12th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
whats funny is all these part time gms worrying about money that isnt theirs…they give shrek every excuse known and wiil be flipping faster than romney next year…
February 12th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
1960…how did you like last season? shrek owns that too….worst defense in modern raider era? shrek owns that too…tarps? shrek got a deal at big 5….
February 12th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
123.elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
The draft this year is very critical, forget big name free agents Avril resigns with lions for big money, we should go after
Dominigue Rodgers cromartie
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??, you do realize he is one of the highest rated CBs?
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000094955/article/charles-tillman-johnathan-joseph-among-top-cornerbacks
February 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Funny how as soon as Mistic “The IQ Vacuum” shows up, there are suddenly 4 or 5 pro-Pryor posters all in lockstep about dumping Palmer and the greatness of Pryor.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Cool, Mystic #121 sounds just like Jerry McDonald. If it was so irrelevant then why was AD so bad at it?
I mean I defend AD for all the great things he did prior to 1994 such as 3 SB’s, hiring the first Black, Hispanic and Woman to power positions on NFL teams and how he took care of players. However post 1994 it has been a unmitigated diaster – it is like being a Cleveland Browns fan or something.
Here is a question if money was not object do you think we would have already signed Wheeler and Bryant by now? If money is not the problem then why have we not. Please don’t tell me they suck because they don’t and both will do well on the FA market this year.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Yes the cap is partially a myth, but I am sure Reggie is methodically cleaning up the roster and this year dropping the dogs from the team all for 2014, I am optimistic but for 2014 this year is for competition, and I am not fooled by the defense the last 4 games it needs major help
February 12th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
123.elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
The draft this year is very critical, forget big name free agents Avril resigns with lions for big money, we should go after
Dominigue Rodgers cromartie
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I think we should try to get some local guys in the league, namely desmond bishop (if available)and larry grant.
they have both been solid starters in the nfl
If we go 4-3 they can both most likely play outside
3-4 they can compete with burris and maybe wheeler for inside if we are able to sign him
they will both be relatively low cost because bishop is coming off an injury and lary grants was a back up last season
Bishop is from green bay so i could definitely see mckenzie signing him if available.
rodgers cromartie, although nice, would probably be out of our price range.
probably have a better chance at getting sam shields and or mike jenkins. just my opinion
February 12th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Yes but he is coming off 2012 being ok, and 2011 awful, you really think he will command top money?
February 12th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
i am sure reggie hasnt figured out how to work the cap….get a calculator fool!
February 12th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
damn just read bishiop is on a 4 yr deal with the pack. nvm on him unless they release him. I mean i don’t know if they would keep both him and D.J. smith. one of them might come available.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
And please no nick barnett done….
February 12th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
131.elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Yes but he is coming off 2012 being ok, and 2011 awful, you really think he will command top money?
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I think his name is enough to get attention and we will be outbid…but I really hope you are right and I am wrong. Really like to be wrong…
February 12th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Bishop not going anywhere
February 12th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
got any thoughts on kenny phillips?
February 12th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Cool, Mystic #121 sounds just like Jerry McDonald. If it was so irrelevant then why was AD so bad at it?
I mean I defend AD for all the great things he did prior to 1994 such as 3 SB’s, hiring the first Black, Hispanic and Woman to power positions on NFL teams and how he took care of players. However post 1994 it has been a unmitigated diaster – it is like being a Cleveland Browns fan or something.
Here is a question if money was not object do you think we would have already signed Wheeler and Bryant by now? If money is not the problem then why have we not. Please don’t tell me they suck because they don’t and both will do well on the FA market this year.
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you missed my point
any team with a person with contracts can find ways to manipulate the so called cap
every year we see across the nfl surprise cuts signings and restructures.
Mike vick is a perfect example, it was sold that he was too costly and couldnt be retained, yet they found a way.
The language in contracts is set up to favor the industry and their ability to manipulate the so called cap
February 12th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
I didn’t know bushrod from NO was available
February 12th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Cut Kelly
Restructure DHB
Cut Seymour
Restructure Branch
Restructure and trade Palmer(he helped his trade value with his passing yards) for draft picks or cut
Build on draft & key free agents
9-8
2014 PLAYOFFS
Good NFL Franchises has been using this tactics to rebuild there team for years..WAKE UP Mark & Reggie Mck!!
Let’s Go Raiders!!!
February 12th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Al the Raider Apologist
How did I like last year? Not much. Really disappointed they did not at least fire Knapp after the after bye week loss when he showed even with everyone back and ample time to train his approach was a dud. Dissapointed that our defensive roster was probably worse than Alabama’s.
I liked it about as much as 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 (actually 2006 was way worse – bed and breakfast offense), 2007 (JBustus drafted), 2008, 2009. Then came the uncapped year and the win now crap so we made our Superbowl Run LOL two years of 8-8! There has not been much to like since Gruden and there was not much to like before him until pre 94.
The bad offense and Knapp is on RM and DA. However, the state of the roster is on AD and Hue for his dumb trade. While Palmer is an average QB – his contract is poison.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
It’s easy to say what you believe when you base it on lifes experiences but when it’s not based on lifes experiences it’s hard to have believe.
A community by definition, is a people with common interest living in a particular area. Simple as that, now to extend it you can have commonwealth meaning for the best interest of those of the community. So as long as you have a population of people with common beliefs and living in the same area it is by definition a community.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Rather invest in cromartie if it doesn’t go to the stratosphere
February 12th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Watched kenny phillips being here in NYC, not worth it, like ross who signed with Jacksonville last year, gets injured and not a game changer
February 12th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
It’s easy to say what you believe when you base it on lifes experiences but when it’s not based on lifes experiences it’s hard to have believe.
A community by definition, is a people with common interest living in a particular area. Simple as that, now to extend it you can have commonwealth meaning for the best interest of those of the community. So as long as you have a population of people with common beliefs and living in the same area it is by definition a community.
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exactly
February 12th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Pretty surprising Seymour is being kept. I guess that pill was too big to swallow.
I guess this takes Star out of the rotation?
February 12th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
In fact the reporting on athlete contracts and the so called cap implications is analogous to tabloids reporting how much actors make on soap operas.
Simply fodder to keep the public consuming while there are no real stories
February 12th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
I still have a hard time understanding why Reggie kept seymour last year. I think he wanted to believe we could compete but knew in is heart it wasn’t reality.
Personally I would prefer he man up and cut
Huff
Palmer
Breisel
Carlisle
Mcclain- yes obvious
Kelly
I would keep branch
February 12th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Al the Al Davis Apologist
You state the defense was worst in modern Raiders era. Do you mean the 2011 defense that was worse statistically than the 2012 defense despite having Routt, Wimbly and others that were cut for 2012? See the 2011 Raiders did less with more the 2012 Raider defense did more with less.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Seymour gone period the end, not here this year no way, no how. He is a great snake oil salesman and great at giving out turkeys never a raider in any way shape or form
February 12th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
ElRaidermanhattan
I guess you would have to ask RM why he kept him to be sure but the fact of the matter is that if RM had cut Seymour all the garunteed money would have accelerated into last year is what I read. That would have led to further cutting in which you have to start thinking about cutting core players.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Pretty surprising Seymour is being kept. I guess that pill was too big to swallow.
I guess this takes Star out of the rotation?
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Kell
Steve was talking about last year. He is a little behind on his reporting! Seymour voided Friday. LOL
February 12th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Yes autumn correct, I am sure he wanted seymour gone. At the end of the day reggie with all the possible cap manipulations looked at the year and going forward and his blood pressure went up catastrophically and said ” Mark we are screwed for a couple of years, can you accept that “
February 12th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Kool kell just found out the raiders moved back to oakland
February 12th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
talking about point reggie apologist…talking about a great stretch of world class sh!tdefense last year talking about 4-12…
February 12th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Palmer is a medical nightmare. If he comes back he will just get knocked out anyway, more dead money. Just cut him and make do with Terrelle or a FA (not Leinart hopefully). It’s not like the team has a chance at respectability next season. They failed with hiring D. Plus, there’s not enough talent on the roster and not enough spending power to fix it in one season.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Kell
Steve was talking about last year. He is a little behind on his reporting! Seymour voided Friday. LOL
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Ok, I misread it.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Ok with the ramifications of contracts last year, again cut Palmer, listen Vick restructured with a non-guaranteed 3.5 with perks up to a possible 10, palmer needs to be at same 3.5 base.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Mystic
I am not missing your point, I strongly disagree with your point. Mike Vick was going to be cut. The threat of cut and the salesmanship of Chip Kelly got him to want to restructure take a pay cut and remain an Eagle rather than be cut and be a FA in the open market.
Our problem is our contracts are so bad that our players make more by leaving than staying. For instance the comment by Routt saying he was getting paid by half the AFC West. He had too much garunteed money and they way it was structured put the Raiders in a real bind and for what a below average #2 CB? That was the problem with AD over the last 15 years, he has miscacluated talent (JBustus and many others) and overpaid for people (Routt and to many others to list) or brought people in without the supporting cast to support them (i.e. Moss). His contracts like RM said are out of wack.
Because of the cap and contracts, those mistakes can haunt a team for up to 3-5 years for each mistake instead of being a 1 and done. That is where the cap becomes relevant. If a team has good contracts and properly manages the cap then they can largely thrive in that environment but you can not overpay or agree to bad contracts esepecially for people with limited talent like Routt or Wimbely. I read a story that the market for players actually defactors deals made by AD because they have no bearing on what other teams do. That make the cap very relevant to this team or other badly managed teams like the Redskins prior to Allen coming in.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Kell
Steve was talking about last year. He is a little behind on his reporting! Seymour voided Friday. LOL
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Ok, I misread it.
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Don’t blame you. If you read the artcle straigt up it sounds like we retained him this year.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Quit trying to talk sense 60AutumnWind. You’ll find few takers around here….
February 12th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
I thought ReggieMack put some voidable out in Big Dick’s contract?
What happened to that?
February 12th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Autumn, you are right Hall made more money being cut, walker made a ton and never played, the list goes on, but now it is different, and again any team can manipulate the cap we screwed that up long ago, and to top it off made kelly the highest paid interior lineman in the NFl. Our icing is palmer the trade rubbing the salt i n the wound
February 12th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Voidable out this year, seymour restructured last year…again he had reggie by the you know what
February 12th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Ok with the ramifications of contracts last year, again cut Palmer, listen Vick restructured with a non-guaranteed 3.5 with perks up to a possible 10, palmer needs to be at same 3.5 base.
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I agree, I think we have to play hardball and good cop bad cop. The coaches need to sell him on the offense and how they will build around him and McFadden and be unpredictable bringing in Pryor in unconventional ways on the one hand. Then Reggie needs to lay the wood and let it be known he is cut material. Even though he is a decent QB but his contract is a killer. He needs a cleaner contract that is not so backloaded and work for incentives instead of restructuring backoaded time bombs.
However, I am not in the just cut him and run with Pryor crowd.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Any raider fan will nkow this as Al Davis flipped the bird tot he cap year after year.
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Yeah, 4 playoff seasons in 17 years of the salary-cap era is really flipping the bird.
Wow, you sure showed them Al!!!!!
February 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Autumn, understood, I am being a bit aggressive, and because ( not to backtrack) I knew Palmer was not going to lead us to the playoffs, but part of hue’s megalomania that Davis bought into. I think
Palmer is a good soldier, but part of the bad taste of 2011. I just want this team turned around and realize we were f–ked last year. I also think that as much as I love Gruden, it just is nostalgic and that was our last success.
February 12th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Cool, Mystic #121 sounds just like Jerry McDonald. If it was so irrelevant then why was AD so bad at it?
I mean I defend AD for all the great things he did prior to 1994 such as 3 SB’s, hiring the first Black, Hispanic and Woman to power positions on NFL teams and how he took care of players. However post 1994 it has been a unmitigated diaster – it is like being a Cleveland Browns fan or something.
Here is a question if money was not object do you think we would have already signed Wheeler and Bryant by now? If money is not the problem then why have we not. Please don’t tell me they suck because they don’t and both will do well on the FA market this year.
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you missed my point
any team with a person with contracts can find ways to manipulate the so called cap
every year we see across the nfl surprise cuts signings and restructures.
Mike vick is a perfect example, it was sold that he was too costly and couldnt be retained, yet they found a way.
The language in contracts is set up to favor the industry and their ability to manipulate the so called cap
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Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: what other option do they have? Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring. Do you think that is going to happen with Joe Flacco? Vick had no options. Philly had no options. They could not go into 2013 with Nick Foles as their Q. Drafting someone 4th in this draft and surrounding him with no one would be incredibly foolish. Sound familiar?
February 12th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Any raider fan will nkow this as Al Davis flipped the bird tot he cap year after year.
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Yeah, 4 playoff seasons in 17 years of the salary-cap era is really flipping the bird.
Wow, you sure showed them Al!!!!!
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And then last year, the bill came due.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: what other option do they have? Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring. Do you think that is going to happen with Joe Flacco? Vick had no options. Philly had no options. They could not go into 2013 with Nick Foles as their Q. Drafting someone 4th in this draft and surrounding him with no one would be incredibly foolish. Sound familiar?
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Think Chip Kelly is really going to have a open competition between Vick and Foles? Or do you think it is to push Vick?
February 12th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
SEYMOUR BUSH Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: what other option do they have? Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring. Do you think that is going to happen with Joe Flacco? Vick had no options. Philly had no options. They could not go into 2013 with Nick Foles as their Q. Drafting someone 4th in this draft and surrounding him with no one would be incredibly foolish. Sound familiar?
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Exactly
February 12th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
raiderpete Says:
I agree with another poster that we are already done for next season. There is no way we are going to put a team together that competes with Denver. I would cut Palmer, DHB, and Seymour and Kelly.
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If I felt that way, I’d agree. Seymours’ gone anyway, or playing for vet min., which is all anyone will pay him.
Of course, if I felt that way, I wouldn’t be the eternal optimist, much of a fan, or give a crap about next season.
So I disagree, with reservations about Kelly.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Vick stayed because he had 0 options, he is 33 injury prone, mistake proven and kelly realized that playing up Vick doesn’t hurt, Foles can’t run his offense, and signing dennis dixon tells it all, it is called stalling for time. When Vick signed with Philly he broke out big time for the first 7 games, going for MVP, check out the balance of games that year, and after tells you all you need to know. Vick thinks he can be something special this year, sure we can all dream
February 12th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I want to know who the Fvck was responsible for reporting on Seys contract toward the end of the season?
I thought it was a reporter. Shvt pisses me off. Made it look like REG was some kind of genius.
SMFH!
February 12th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: what other option do they have? Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring. Do you think that is going to happen with Joe Flacco? Vick had no options. Philly had no options. They could not go into 2013 with Nick Foles as their Q. Drafting someone 4th in this draft and surrounding him with no one would be incredibly foolish. Sound familiar?
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Think Chip Kelly is really going to have a open competition between Vick and Foles? Or do you think it is to push Vick?
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I think Kelly is going to want his own guy in there. Problem is, as I have been saying for years, putting Peyton Manning on that team would be a disaster right now. What I mean by that is drafting a kid and throwing him on a total crap roster is a recipe for catastrophe. So, Kelly is going to have to live with Vick and Foles for a year build the roster, see what he has and evaluate from there. Kind of like us.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
In the old regime,, Al would trade pryor for foles, 1998 style not happening today
February 12th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Good for Kelly that he made the quick move for Vick and got him for one year. One year, $10mm. And you guys complain about Palmers deal.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
We will definitely compete better this year, but it is about 2014 in reality, REGGIE needs this draft to be a success. And if it were a non cap world the roster would be all new. I honestly think our offense will be exceedingly better and the future is bright, but no playoffs 2013.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
In the old regime,, Al would trade pryor for foles, 1998 style not happening today
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I doubt that very seriously.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
We will definitely compete better this year, but it is about 2014 in reality, REGGIE needs this draft to be a success. And if it were a non cap world the roster would be all new. I honestly think our offense will be exceedingly better and the future is bright, but no playoffs 2013.
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Last year we were $30mm over the cap at this time. This year we are slightly over. Next year, we will be $20mm under. At that point we can start really shaping the team.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Just like I’ve been saying for months now.
Reggie could have decided to bite the bullett on Seymour last season and not spend over 10 million on guys like Brisiel, Bartell, Barnes, Tollefson and other vets.
He decided against it because after evaluating his team, he felt they could at least compete for a playoff spot, just like the 2011 team and just about everyone in here.
The Coaching staff failed him miserably.
It’s either that or Reggie’s own talent evaluation and decision-making skillls that failed.
I’m definitely going with the Coaching.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Good evening Nation!!! it’s apperant that this will be another lost season… I believe that reggie if possible will trade down… if the pick is top ten he will take Millner… If he trades down lower he will take someone who will not sit well with the Nation… That player will be Matt Barkeley… Not that i like the pick but he fits the mold Reggie is looking for… A leader, who is a good football player and fits with the Christian values he is looking for… I can see it happen…
February 12th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
In the old days, Foles has a bigtime arm, just watch when he started, but chip said no way can he run my offense, Al always loved the big arm, sure he hated Stabler who had a limited arm. Remember that qb we drafted a few years back? No not Russell, the other stiff who could not move but had a cannon arm……can you name him? Hint moved like he was in cement.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Seymour exactly, gearing towards 2014, but being competitive. You got it spot on
February 12th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
I would if I’m RM, even though I’m not:
1. restructure DHB
2. Restructure Seymore so 2013 & 2014 are easy on us
3. Cut or dranatically reduce Kelly
4. with free agency get 2 quality Guards and 1 R Tackle
5. Trade a few players to get a 2nd round pick
6. Use Rounds 1 – 7 on Defense
7. Use Round compensatory pick to draft Jordan
Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers brother from Vanderbilt
8. Restructure CP so that his real and cap money are more in line, both this year and next, on a declining scale rather than increases next year.
The reason I said keep CP, is that if you play him with New England’s, Denver, Ravens or 49er O-Line with the type of receivers the aforementioned teams have, CP would still be a dynamic QB. He has the most totally F$&*@d up O-Line in the NFL, getting blasted at will by mediocre teams, which when I think about, the WC Offense was probably the only one he could play in because he had to throw real fast out of the shotgun before he was on his back.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Post #181 – I think RM thought the offense would be decent and the defense would improve slightly with less talent but better coaching. He miscalculated badly on the offense as did DA. Defense responded about as planned when you factor in the injuries. I am not sure he thought we were a playoff team – he sure did not talk like we were.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Good evening Nation!!! it’s apperant that this will be another lost season… I believe that reggie if possible will trade down… if the pick is top ten he will take Millner… If he trades down lower he will take someone who will not sit well with the Nation… That player will be Matt Barkeley… Not that i like the pick but he fits the mold Reggie is looking for… A leader, who is a good football player and fits with the Christian values he is looking for… I can see it happen…
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I prefer the Christian values of Ray Lewis. Go out and kill the opponent. Amen.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
183. Andrew Walter
February 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Well with Vick staying in Philly. The Eagles will definitely target Joekel or Fisher.
If Joekel falls to Raiders at #3…McK may have some leverage to trade down.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
There are seriously some of the most football ignorant people in here. It’s hard for me to even believe some of the stupidity that is posted here.
Blame the 4k passer for his team’s 4-12 record!
People with real football Knowledge and no agenda just shake our heads and laugh.
Total clowns. Wouldn’t know what a good player was to save their pathetic lives.
The preseason will be so fun. I can’t wait to rub it ur faces.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
[...] DT Richard Seymour accounts for $14 million in “dead money” against the Raiders’ salary cap. (Contra Costa Times) [...]
February 12th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Good evening Nation!!! it’s apperant that this will be another lost season… I believe that reggie if possible will trade down… if the pick is top ten he will take Millner… If he trades down lower he will take someone who will not sit well with the Nation… That player will be Matt Barkeley… Not that i like the pick but he fits the mold Reggie is looking for… A leader, who is a good football player and fits with the Christian values he is looking for… I can see it happen…
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I prefer the Christian values of Ray Lewis. Go out and kill the opponent. Amen.
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lol…
February 12th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Reggie’s mistake was tinkering with the offense, and changing the scheme, he has to accept that failure, however he did know the defense was g-d awful but he miscalculated with knapp, and zbs, again writing was on wall when wiz quit as coach. However we were f–ked anyway, it just mushroomed due to a lethargic offense, the offense quit
February 12th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
You got it Walter great arm, no heart and no feet
February 12th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Mystic
I am not missing your point, I strongly disagree with your point. Mike Vick was going to be cut. The threat of cut and the salesmanship of Chip Kelly got him to want to restructure take a pay cut and remain an Eagle rather than be cut and be a FA in the open market.
Our problem is our contracts are so bad that our players make more by leaving than staying. For instance the comment by Routt saying he was getting paid by half the AFC West. He had too much garunteed money and they way it was structured put the Raiders in a real bind and for what a below average #2 CB? That was the problem with AD over the last 15 years, he has miscacluated talent (JBustus and many others) and overpaid for people (Routt and to many others to list) or brought people in without the supporting cast to support them (i.e. Moss). His contracts like RM said are out of wack.
Because of the cap and contracts, those mistakes can haunt a team for up to 3-5 years for each mistake instead of being a 1 and done. That is where the cap becomes relevant. If a team has good contracts and properly manages the cap then they can largely thrive in that environment but you can not overpay or agree to bad contracts esepecially for people with limited talent like Routt or Wimbely. I read a story that the market for players actually defactors deals made by AD because they have no bearing on what other teams do. That make the cap very relevant to this team or other badly managed teams like the Redskins prior to Allen coming in.
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We are in agreement then
a team can and will pay for whom ever they see fit. they can and will manipulate the so called cap to make things work.
you say “bad contracts” and “over pay” but to davis those were the choices he wanted to make, he wasnt forced or constrained.
If he hit on said player it would never be a topic of discussion. “over pay, and bad contracts” are simply a matter of perspective.
In every major sport in every city, teams pay for whom they want and find ways to get out of paying for those they dont.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
And btw, there is NO WAY missdick has anything to do with counseling youth. First off, he’s here most days. Secondly, he’s too stupid to have a degree. And any organization that would let that stooge near kids would need immediate shut down.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Doc this is not about Mr. 4 thousand yard palmer, you are so missing the point
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
You guys remember when Tui was supposed to be the next great Raider QB… Face plant
February 12th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Any raider fan will nkow this as Al Davis flipped the bird tot he cap year after year.
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Yeah, 4 playoff seasons in 17 years of the salary-cap era is really flipping the bird.
Wow, you sure showed them Al!!!!!
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i didnt say he made the right choices, only saying the choice was his and the cap didnt hinder his decision making process
February 12th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
I remember watching a few games of him and Miller for the Sun Devils. I really thought he was going to be good.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
#185 Seymour’s contract is void. It voided Friday, no longer part of team. I guess KoolKell is not the only one that was confused by the article! I guess if I had not known from other reporting I would have wondered which year Steve was talking about.
Here is what I would do:
1. Hardball Palmer like Vick get a paycut out of it not just resturcture. Get 4 million back
2. DHB restructure and reduce if not willing then cut. Get 2-3 million back or all of it by cutting 5.3 million
3. Kelly – Reduce or cut. Get 2-3 million back or all of it by cutting. 4.7 million
4. Tollefson – Cut 1.6 million
5. Briesel Cut 2.8 million
6. McClain Cut (at best time will actually hurt against cap because of contract)
7. Travis Goethel (cut save 575 thousand and keep Omar Gaither FA min contract)
8. Willie Smith (cut)save 550 thousand
This would give about 20 million in cap space or more if some are out right cut. This will allow Raiders to maybe get Wheeler on a long-term deal and maybe get Bryant back and sign the rooks and under the radar FAs
February 12th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
198.Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
You guys remember when Tui was supposed to be the next great Raider QB… Face plant
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No, i don’t remember that
February 12th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Do you realize we made kelly the highest paid lineman! Yes belichek said kelly was underrated, why because he robbed us with the seymour deal he was told to say that
February 12th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Bob Marley Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Just like I’ve been saying for months now.
Reggie could have decided to bite the bullett on Seymour last season and not spend over 10 million on guys like Brisiel, Bartell, Barnes, Tollefson and other vets.
He decided against it because after evaluating his team, he felt they could at least compete for a playoff spot, just like the 2011 team and just about everyone in here.
The Coaching staff failed him miserably.
It’s either that or Reggie’s own talent evaluation and decision-making skillls that failed.
I’m definitely going with the Coaching.
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I don’t know. I think McKenzie saw a couple of players (Wimbley, routt) that he felt were expendable, but he couldn’t get rid of everyone. He had to keep some guys. Honestly, you don’t know what you have until you are on the field watching them and coaching them. You can’t evaluate guys on tape. That’s why scouts actually go to games and watch players live. Last year was a year to evaluate what McKenzie had here. And it wasn’t much.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
you missed my point
any team with a person with contracts can find ways to manipulate the so called cap
every year we see across the nfl surprise cuts signings and restructures.
Mike vick is a perfect example, it was sold that he was too costly and couldnt be retained, yet they found a way.
The language in contracts is set up to favor the industry and their ability to manipulate the so called cap
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Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring.
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Too funny
so you know all of the teams that did or did ot show interest in vick?
How so?
Link?
besides kelly kept vick because HE FITS WHAT THEY ARE DOING BETTER THAN ANY OTHER EXPERIENCED NFL QB IN THE NFL THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE.
Palmer is no longer a fit in the vertical offense
he is best doing a knapp led dink and dunk without deviation
February 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
You are guys are getting down on things.
Could u at least entertain the possibility that Tarver has a good hold on this defense and that we can continue to expand on the success of the last quarter of the season? # 2 overall D in the league in that stretch and will only get better thru the draft and a couple of complimentary free agents?
The offense will get back to 2011 production via going back to the power scheme that fit the talent….and a couple of nice fa pickups. Nothing major cuz we don’t need major neccessarily.
Ford will be back and ready to go as well.
2013 = The beginning of the return of the Raiders.
10-6…at least.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
198.Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
You guys remember when Tui was supposed to be the next great Raider QB… Face plant
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No, i don’t remember that
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Drafted as the heir apparent to Gannon. Did not work at all. Every preseason that was all you would hear.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Matt Barkeley is just like all of those rich so cal kids whose parents could afford to send him to peyton mannings passing camps so he got rated crazy high on the prospect lists and went to a good ass college. no pocket presence, ZERO LEADERSHIP SKILLS (i mean really, the sr. leader of a team that was ranked #1 at the beginning of the season and goes 6-7, losing their bowl game and then having a brawl with themselves in their locker room after. good leadership. this kid shouldnt even be drafted by anyone u have us taking him in the 1st round…hahahaha
February 12th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Loved Walter’s arm, but he was a deer in headlights, and look at what he had, shell as coach and Walsh as oc, moreover russell as the leader he thought he was dreaming
February 12th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
198.Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
You guys remember when Tui was supposed to be the next great Raider QB… Face plant
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No, i don’t remember that
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Gannon era, was being groomed to take his spot one day… Got his chance and blew his knee… Game Over…
February 12th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Elraid–of course it is. Pryor isn’t even close to being ready and a lot of morons here want to cut a legit nfl qb and take the attitude “what the heck, we are gonna suck anyway”.
I will tell u a FACT. No 4k passer in the history of the league has ever been to blame for their team’s failures. Never. And never has one been cut the season after.
Most nfl fans are smart enuff to be happy they have a gifted passer.
But here, stupidity reigns.
Palmer bashers are jokes to anyone with a modicum of real football acumen.
Seriously. Jokes.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
like i said…shrek owns the seymour contract…he failed.
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Yes…see his big FA too Briesel.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
207. Oh i remember Tui, i just don’t ever remember expecting him to be the next great Raider QB
February 12th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
You are guys are getting down on things.
Could u at least entertain the possibility that Tarver has a good hold on this defense and that we can continue to expand on the success of the last quarter of the season? # 2 overall D in the league in that stretch and will only get better thru the draft and a couple of complimentary free agents?
The offense will get back to 2011 production via going back to the power scheme that fit the talent….and a couple of nice fa pickups. Nothing major cuz we don’t need major neccessarily.
Ford will be back and ready to go as well.
2013 = The beginning of the return of the Raiders.
10-6…at least.
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After watching what the Skins and Colts did, I think what you are saying is possible. I always get my hopes up at the begining of the year except for 2006-2008 which I knew was going to be a dumpster fire. A lot of what the Raiders will be able to do is going to be predicated on staying healthy because they do not have very good depth right now.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
And btw, there is NO WAY missdick has anything to do with counseling youth. First off, he’s here most days. Secondly, he’s too stupid to have a degree. And any organization that would let that stooge near kids would need immediate shut down.
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lol
you have no clue about what degree I may or may not have
i dont need white so called academia for validation if i have a degree or not.
Your degrees mean nothing when it comes to teaching Black youth the things that We teach them
LOl I dont teach plato, except that he was a homosexual;
February 12th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
The guy I really wished had worked out was Jeff Hostetler(Ron Jeremy stash)… Loved his toughness and his strong arm… Used to sling it to Timmy Brown, Rocket Ismail, James Jett, Ethan Horton… Speed Kills…
February 12th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
peace
February 12th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Al the Al Davis Apologist
AD owns the Seymour deal not RM. Will grant you that he screwed up on Briesel. At least he can get out of it without a cap catastropy though.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
“The cap is fluid,” he told Detroitlions.com. “I’ve used the analogy before that anybody who tells you how much cap room you have is looking at a still from a movie and it doesn’t tell you much about the movie.”
http://www.detroitlions.com/news/lions-insider/article-1/Tom-Lewand-believes-the-Detroit-Lions-can-be-selectively-aggressive-in-free-agency-/e289e999-9491-457b-ad09-a292f28937df
February 12th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
Palmer is not going anywhere get real who is going to start?
He will take a pay cut and be back next year.
All this talk on here is just that fools babble because some of you tards need to be amused like a moth drawn to a flame.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
190.dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
There are seriously some of the most football ignorant people in here. It’s hard for me to even believe some of the stupidity that is posted here.
Blame the 4k passer for his team’s 4-12 record!
People with real football Knowledge and no agenda just shake our heads and laugh.
Total clowns. Wouldn’t know what a good player was to save their pathetic lives.
The preseason will be so fun. I can’t wait to rub it ur faces.
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i don’t think anyone “blames” palmer for us going 4-12. y do u always call people “football ignorant”? you don’t know anyones football knowledge. A lot of people have their reasons for what they say. If you think a qb who has gone 8-16 as a starter for a team is worth 15 million? let alone a 1st a 2nd rd pick…let’s not go into that because we gave that up before we knew what we were getting. 15 mil for a qb who has lead your team to 8-16 record as a starter? or a qb that has ead your offense to the 9th worst in the nfl. no team would pay anyone that kind of money when they are getting those results. no company in the world would pay for that bottom line.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Seymour could retire. He could restructure. He is not a starter anymore… Plain out cut him? Tough.
He’s a vet with a good rep cause he played in NE. But has not been a leader nor an example here in Oak. His presence hurts the team more than a restructure could help the team.
Cut him.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Me T sessions @ChimChek rod Streater and Jerm Stewart after work out today http://lockerz.com/s/282974812
February 12th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
LOl I dont teach plato, except that he was a homosexual;
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LOL! Right on!
February 12th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
I have heard some of the most moronic reasons for dumping Palmer.
He’s washed up (after a 4k season!)
He’s a spoiled rich kid (jealousy)
He’s a quitter (had the guts to walk away feom a bog contract out of integrity. Came back to play for Hue with no preparation and went to work, instead of asking for time to get ready so he wouldn’t struggle.)
He costs too much (like u want a “value” at qb)
The trade costs too much (that’s already done. Cutting him won’t get any picks back)
He’s white. No one SAYS this but it could not be more obvious. At lwast i hope thays yhe reason. Othetewise u people are just dumb instead of racist. I think some of u must have no clue about the game or how to successfully do ANYTHING. The reasoning in here is astoundingly moronic by some.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
furthermore passing yds don’t mean much. i mean tony romo had almost 5k passing yds…cowboys are probably loking to upgrade soon too
February 12th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Doc take your 4000 yds. And shove it, means nothing. He blew the tampa game and the falcon game, yes he brought us back but he sucks in the crunch always did
February 12th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
He costs too much (like u want a “value” at qb)
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yea you want value at every position, especially qb…if ur paying a qb 15 mil he shouldnt be playing like an 8 mil a yr qb and getting wins like a 5 mil a yr qb..thats business…do u not learn anything about business is med school, Dr.?
February 12th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Seymour made the Pro Bowl in 2010, 2011?
Not exactly useless.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Rob when you land back on earth let me know
February 12th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
226.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
furthermore passing yds don’t mean much. i mean tony romo had almost 5k passing yds…cowboys are probably loking to upgrade soon too
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But the reason the cowboys and eagles stick with them is because the alternatives are not any better. That’s our situation.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
This looks like the end.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
The guy I really wished had worked out was Jeff Hostetler(Ron Jeremy stash)… Loved his toughness and his strong arm… Used to sling it to Timmy Brown, Rocket Ismail, James Jett, Ethan Horton… Speed Kills…
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Al loved guys he perceived as “winners”. They were always his BPA’s. Hostetler coming off an improbable SB run, Desmond Howard (after his SB MVP), Larry Brown (why he couldn’t see that LB did NOTHING but be out of position on those int’s is beyond me), Heisman winners like Marcus and Bo…Marinovich, Jerry Rice, Lott, Roger Craig, Eric Dickerson, Rod Woodson…the list goes on and on.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Ngraider–their football IQ is demonstrated by what they post. As I said, football ignorant.
And ur doing it. Talking about a “qb going such and such record” is ignorant. Quarterbacks don’t have records. Teams do. When a team goes 4-12, u look to see which players are good and which are the problem. U get rid of the POOR PLAYERS and add good ones. U KEEP the good ones.
Fact: 4k passers are GOOD PLAYERS. Not even arguable for those with brains.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Seymour made the Pro Bowl in 2010, 2011?
Not exactly useless.
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This just in: the Pro Bowl is useless.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Seymour was voted in by peers
February 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Seymour made the Pro Bowl in 2010, 2011?
Not exactly useless.
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This just in: the Pro Bowl is useless.
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Not on your HOF credentials, dummy.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Johnny Woodson was a definite plus for the team shot knees but still savvy
February 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
But the reason the cowboys and eagles stick with them is because the alternatives are not any better. That’s our situation.
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that’s my thinking exactly. wish i could have seen more of pryor to make a better assessment but DA’s an idiot
February 12th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Interesting that in 2011 Seymour was one of only 3 players who were pro bowlers that didn’t make the “Top 100 players” list that yr. Voted on by his peers.
I don’t think him getting the pro bowl nod was nothing more than a “reputation” pick.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Missdick–your posts display ur lack of a higher education. There are no racist intellectuals. They’re too smart. U roll around in ignorance. And ur bigoted homophobic poison would preclude u from being involved in any legit organization.
Talking to kids and handing out flyers on the corner requires no degree.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
“But the reason the cowboys and eagles stick with them is because the alternatives are not any better. That’s our situation.”
Why is it so hard for people here to grasp this simple concept.
February 12th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Did they hit that cabin with a drone strike?
February 12th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
239. Yes, he is. That Carolina game would’ve been so helpful. Not just for us, but maybe Pryor could’ve got his jitters out and shown up better in the SD game
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Pro Bowl, HOF, its all about the ratings. You see, the NFL is a business, it needs eyes to see it to have commercial value. Who get the limelight? The players the media likes. Why is Howie in the HOF and not Jim Plunkett? Its the business value, not the on the field value.
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position. Thats why NE left him go.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I just said that seymour voted in by peers, in reality he stunk I know because I watched the games
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
…Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position for some time now. Thats why NE left him go….
err sorry
February 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Dumb cowboys fans may not like room but they will be making an enormous mistake if they get rid of him. He’s not their problem. Just as Palmer isn’t ours.
It’s just stupid fans who don’t really know who to blame cuz they don’t have a clue how a team runs or how to evaluate players. They just lack the knowledge. So it’s much easier to point at the cover boy qb.
But that’s not how real football minds work. Thankfully.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Romo
February 12th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Johnny Woodson was a definite plus for the team shot knees but still savvy
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Oh yeah. I’m not saying all of those guys were bad acquisitions by any stretch. Heck, Rice was agreat # 2 for us during the Gruden yr’s and Lott was good for us…even Dickerson had some moments. Larry Brown was not that great tho. Lol.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Seymour gave us some good years, don’t be a hater now just because he got old. I remember him being all over Jamal Charles in the “Jacoby Ford” game in oakland. He had like 9 tackles in that game.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
213.The_Judge37 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
207. Oh i remember Tui, i just don’t ever remember expecting him to be the next great Raider QB
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Now he just sits on one end of a computer with Teo on the other end and have cyber sex. He talks like Girl 6 too.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Seymour had it made:
Ok so Reggie, I don’t do practice
I commit personal fouls
I will say I am a leader
I will take plays off
pay me
February 12th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
I just said that seymour voted in by peers, in reality he stunk I know because I watched the games
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Whatever. Pro Bowl in 2010, 2011.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Tony Romo had the impossible mision of winning a Superbowl with Rob Friggin Ryan calling his “Its not Prevent D” the last 5 minutes of every game. LOL, poor bastard.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Richard Seymour is viewed by players and coaches as an excellent player.
Fans who dis him probably rarely even have watched him on any play. They usually just follow the ball.
Howie Ling was a great player who was always considered to be one of the top DL of his era. Not by fans. By players and coaches who know.
Plunkett was rarely considered a top qb. He had a couple nice seasons. That’s all.
Truth. Not myth or fan fiction.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Romo
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Right. Just like Alzado he was former bronco who had really good yr’s with them but in the end they are Raiders all the way.
That was back when players embraced their time in Oakland as opposed to distancing themselves from it. Like Sapp.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Howie got in the HOF cause he works at firggin FOX. Just like Sapp and Chris Carter, they got in cause they have familiar faces. Were they good players? Hell yeah. But so were alot of other players (Hello Tim Brown) but they dont have the familiar faces.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
I don’t understand people that post in here?? We weren’t 4&12 because of Carson Palmer!!! We were 4&12 because the entire team sucked!!! Yes, I said team. You cannot blame the entire season on Carson!!! Pryor would have not done any better!!
February 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Richard Seymore… yeah, he did wonders for our D.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Johnny sure Larry Brown was Al taking headlines, same with rocket. But Lott played hard, so did Craig, and he was done. But Al killed us with Hall, walker, crap kwame. I loved when we got Moss, but we were a shell of the team we used to be. Hey, I watched pro football talk yesterday with a afc west breakdown, they laughed when they mentioned us! And they just mentioned seymour and Palmer nothing else I want us to comeback so bad, tired of the jokes
February 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
Seymour’s contract is void. It voided Friday, no longer part of team. I guess KoolKell is not the only one that was confused by the article! I guess if I had not known from other reporting I would have wondered which year Steve was talking about.
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What I got from other reporting(Levi and Paul G.) is that his contract was written so that if incentives weren’t met, we had the option of voiding his contract, which screws us on what he is still due.
Had it automatically voided,we would have owed much less or none of that.
Until the Raiders say they voided his contract, he is still a Raider.
Apologies if they did and I missed it.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Does anybody know how many pick 6’s Palmer has thrown since 2011?
I know he had the one vs. KC at home in his 1st game..but did he have any others that yr.?
In 2012 he had the Atl. one and then one against New Orleans…but were there any others i’m missing?
February 12th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Where’s the Tommy Kelly hate at? That’s a dead horse that could use some beating
February 12th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Dr. Robert I believe is off medications, anybody here that can write subscriptions and deliver them intravenously?
February 12th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Man, I´ve beat Tommy Kelly almost as much as Stu Schwigert ( A personal favorite), its time to spread it around on the guys making big bucks and not producing, kinda like Richard “Pro Bowls” Seymore.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
266.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Man, I´ve beat Tommy Kelly almost as much as Stu Schwigert ( A personal favorite), its time to spread it around on the guys making big bucks and not producing, kinda like Richard “Pro Bowls” Seymore.
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What, Kelly doesn’t make enough money for you? At least Seymour had more sacks than Kelly this year and he didn’t even play half the year
February 12th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Judge,
Tommy Kelly is not making 13 mill and change.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
MMRS, Tommy Kelly also isn’t getting sacks, pressure or tackles. What he is getting is pushed around like a baby in a stroller on running plays
February 12th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
I was just hoping for some independent confirmation of those Palmer pick 6’s.
1 in 2011
2 in 2012
Anyone dispute that figure?
February 12th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
The only thing Kelly is good for is running his mouth, which is suprising considering how he gets the ball ran down his throat on a weekly basis.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Palmer in 25 games 30 ints, 6 fumbles and will turn 34. Next case
February 12th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
i don’t think anyone “blames” palmer for us going 4-12…
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Been here long? Many do.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Godeep Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
I don’t understand people that post in here?? We weren’t 4&12 because of Carson Palmer!!! We were 4&12 because the entire team sucked!!! Yes, I said team. You cannot blame the entire season on Carson!!! Pryor would have not done any better!!
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Precisely but the so called experts in here blame everything on Palmer
February 12th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
266.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Man, I´ve beat Tommy Kelly almost as much as Stu Schwigert ( A personal favorite), its time to spread it around on the guys making big bucks and not producing, kinda like Richard “Pro Bowls” Seymore.
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Ah, Stu, can you believe he broke Rod Woodson INT record at Purdue…not sure who I drank the Kool-Aid longer on him or Russell…Well I guess Russell was/is a lazy sack, Stu just was not talented enough.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
269.The_Judge37 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
MMRS, Tommy Kelly also isn’t getting sacks, pressure or tackles. What he is getting is pushed around like a baby in a stroller on running plays
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Not true, he had one sack last year…LOL
February 12th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Seymour and kelly are good players. It’s just a sign of fans who don’t know who is responsible for what. U have to really WATCH individual players in plays. Our LBs have been poor for years. Those ate the culprits. Not the DTs. But many of u don’t really even get how the positions are played or what constitutes good or bad play.
Obviously. Just all the Palmer bashing proves this.
U need to blame SONEONE. So u blame the most obvious.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
@RAIDERS: BREAKING: Raiders coaches to work with top prospects on the field teaching & administering timing and testing drills at the 2013 #NFLCombine
February 12th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
TK 7.0 sacks in 2010′ 7.5 sacks in 2011
February 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Eli Manning had 18-20 INTs the year they won the Super Bowl so shut it with your crap stat all worried about INT’s hell Look at Vick he is the ultimate turnover machine and no one is benching him are they and he cant even throw!
February 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Not Palmer, but he is a part of the moving forward issue. We traded picks for him, nobody else would have. Go back watch the highlights of 2011 a facade, defense stunk, we sacrificed some future for a qb content to retire
February 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Not true, he had one sack last year…LOL
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QB must’ve slipped, then taken a nap, then woke up and stopped to tie his shoe
February 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
205, you are a jackarse…..
February 12th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
“Obviously. Just all the Palmer bashing proves this.”
People are sheep they do what the media tells them “blame the QB”
February 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I was just hoping for some independent confirmation of those Palmer pick 6’s.
1 in 2011
2 in 2012
Anyone dispute that figure?
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I know he threw one in that KC game after he had been here 5 whole days. Inexcusable.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
“205, you are a jackarse…..”
Yes I agree 100% well put
February 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
DOC post 248 Spot on man
February 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
281.elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Not Palmer, but he is a part of the moving forward issue. We traded picks for him, nobody else would have. Go back watch the highlights of 2011 a facade, defense stunk, we sacrificed some future for a qb content to retire
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Ehh we tried to win. Definetly short sighted but i had no problem with going for broke. It was a gamble and crapped out
February 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
I have heard some of the most moronic reasons for dumping Palmer.
He’s washed up (after a 4k season!)
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This one kills me too. CP came into the league kinda old at 25. He’s actually thrown 350 less passes than Eli has.
But the way to improve a team is to get rid of the better players I guess (people seem to get upset when I say “best” because we have some linemen better, or maybe a RB that is often injured and had a horrible year) I guess.
Hard to figure this crowd out!
February 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Don’t hate on Seymour – just AD wrote a contract like he was Reggie White in his prime – That’s all. He should have been paid a half of what he made. The contract should have looked like a standard NFL contract not a bomb that was going off if you did not defuse it by a certain date.
Kind of like Carson now. We have the backloaded end of a bad Cincy Contract and he is paid 3 million better than Aaron Rodgers. I actually like CP3, think he should be the starter but something has to be done with that contract.
Same with Kelly, the guy is declining can still contribute but should not be paid like he is one of the best DTs in the league!
Same with Bey, drafted as a #1 paid as a #1 but plays like a #3 (#2 in 2011). The contract needs to come into harmony with the performance.
RM said it very economically – we have out of wack contracts.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
3. Jason Campbell
2012 Grade: -5.7
2012 Snaps: 129
Summary: It didn’t really work out that well for Campbell when he came in for an injured Jay Cutler. His 71.4 Accuracy Percentage was actually better than Cutler’s 70, but his 5.2 yards per attempt were 1.8 less than Cutler, and indicative of the type of quarterback Campbell is.
In some respects it’s a shame the Raiders thought Carson Palmer was the answer to all of their problems. Campbell was playing some decent football at times, earning a +4.0 grade for his 363 snaps in six games in 2011. Even then, his work under pressure was something of a worry, completing just a third of his passes when pressured. He’s good enough up to a point and if you surround him with talent he can do a job, and that alone should make him the kind of backup prospect teams go after.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/12/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-quarterbacks/
February 12th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I was just hoping for some independent confirmation of those Palmer pick 6’s.
1 in 2011
2 in 2012
Anyone dispute that figure?
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I know he threw one in that KC game after he had been here 5 whole days. Inexcusable.
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Thanks Purvis. I was wondering if anyone remembered anymore than the ones I mentioned. I don’t know if 3 pick 6’s is good or bad compared to others. I’m working on a little research project for fun.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer, a risky move, and turning over the keys to the offense to third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor or a veteran signed in free agency.
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Risky move ?
Really ?
Where’s the risk ?
CP is taking the RAIDS to the SB ?
Anyone realistically see that happening ?
In 2013 ?
In 2014 ?
Ever ?
Could the 9 million saved by cutting Palmer be used to obtain and retain players in order to build a foundation for a legit SB run ?
So what if it turns out TP isn’t The Man ?
Never going to know unless you TRY.
Might very well be drafting a QB in 2014. Heck, if JFB is right it might happen this year.
The point is, CP isn’t part of any realistic, feasible build for a SB run.
I know some of the posters here are convinced CP isn’t on the downside of his career. After all, he’s only 33, right ?
Well, I’m sorry to tell you it’s an OLD 33.
CP has jello for a knee and more importantly, his elbow is shot.
The erstwhile ‘gunslinger’ isn’t firing a cannon any longer. It’s more like a Matt Lice pea shooter these days.
Sure, arm strength isn’t everything. CP brings veteran savvy and guile.
But he’s also totally immobile. Doesn’t really bother me all that much that he can’t move the chains with his legs.
What bothers me is his unwillingness or inability to move within the pocket to extend a play. CP rarely if ever ’steps up’ into the pocket. He is terrible at ’sliding’ or ’sidestepping’ within the pocket to avoid pressure. He invariably resorts to falling back and throwing while moving backwards.
Peyton Manning is immobile, but his footwork within the pocket is superb. He will step up. He will slide within the pocket.
Dan Marino was another guy that was totally immobile but had the uncanny ability to avoid being sacked by sidestepping the rush and utilizing an amazingly fast delivery.
CP doesn’t have those abilities and can’t extend a play to save his life.
CP will probably restructure and be back in 2013.
However, this is NOT in the RAIDS best long term interests.
It would be better to find out exactly what we have in TP.
If Smiling Titty Boy wasn’t such a myopic dunce we’d be farther along in that process already.
But it’s never too late to get off the dime or too early to start planning and building for the future.
I don’t ever want to hear a ‘keep CP at all costs – we don’t have anyone better’ proponent cry about the RAIDS failing to develop a QB again.
Time to move on from CP.
This is about building a sustainable winner and putting a 4th Lombardi in the trophy case.
That’s all that really matters and we should never forget it.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
3. Jason Campbell
2012 Grade: -5.7
2012 Snaps: 129
Summary: It didn’t really work out that well for Campbell when he came in for an injured Jay Cutler. His 71.4 Accuracy Percentage was actually better than Cutler’s 70, but his 5.2 yards per attempt were 1.8 less than Cutler, and indicative of the type of quarterback Campbell is.
In some respects it’s a shame the Raiders thought Carson Palmer was the answer to all of their problems. Campbell was playing some decent football at times, earning a +4.0 grade for his 363 snaps in six games in 2011. Even then, his work under pressure was something of a worry, completing just a third of his passes when pressured. He’s good enough up to a point and if you surround him with talent he can do a job, and that alone should make him the kind of backup prospect teams go after.
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Put down the bottle old man u r a FCKING idiot Campbell is absolute dog schit
February 12th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
DJ
That is about average or better for the number of throws if 3 is really the figure.
Here is something else to think about. If Carson thows a pick when he is playing from our 45 yard line because he forced it deep into coverage on a 3rd and 11 and the guy is tackled on the 23 yard line is that really that bad? I know he did that kind of stuff instead of taking sacks or throwing it away seeing if the WR could make a play in tight coverage. To be honest a large number of Flacco’s yards are on those kinds of plays except his WRs catch the ball and fight for it better than ours.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Kell
I wish we would not have gave up what we gave up for CP3 and just waited for Campbell to come back. However, now we have him and he is pretty good. He just needs to get his contract into reality.
Gotta go! Out
February 12th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Someone said that the reason Palmer “owns” the teams won loss is record is cuz they do the same thing with pitchers in baseball.
The difference is pitchers have almost total control if their teams wins or not. If they can strike every batter out the whole game then his team will win the game eventually cuz games never end in a tie.
In football, the QB has NO CONTROL whatsoever of the defense allowing points and that’s just one example.
This goes for any QB not just Palmer.
February 12th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Lol dr slob!!!!
Flyers & street corners?
I do neither.
You will simply have to admit that I don’t fit any of the categories for black people as you know them
Also your take on “quality organizations” is laughable. You can’t prescribe where black people should or should not go for healing
Lol what is quality in your book? Oh I can answer that N.a.m.b.l.a
February 12th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I hate to go backwards, but remember when we beat the Texans with the Huff pick, all due to Schaub not running it in? Hue got on his knees and prayed all a facade from there it got out of control, Hue had Mark and he knew it, hey Mark I have a rich qb sitting at home let’s overpay him because my backup sucks, we can win this division. We were embarrassed by tebow at home with that heisman winner throwing ints. to create the tebow myth
February 12th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
If you want to change the rules for qb & win loss record based on your wordhip of him be my guest. Just be informed that is a long tradition of holding the qb accountable & a Sisley accepted standard in the pro football industry nfl CFl usfl world league ufl & so on.
No amount of whining will change that fact
Lmao
February 12th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Correlating Passing Stats with Wins.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/12/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-quarterbacks/
February 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Why don’t we all take a break from running the Raiders and listen to the dear leader tell us how he is going to fix his crumbling empire. Without the government there would be no football. Why hell, without the government we would all perish. Let us all kneel down and thank our dear leader for our very lives.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Twocents Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Why don’t we all take a break from running the Raiders and listen to the dear leader tell us how he is going to fix his crumbling empire. Without the government there would be no football. Why hell, without the government we would all perish. Let us all kneel down and thank our dear leader for our very lives.
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Your boy Ted Nugent is in the house.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
LSU about to get Cam Cameron for OC. Saban has crapped his pants. Especially with Milliner and Co. leaving.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
He is not “my boy”. He is a state worshipper, just like you.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
When people make idiotic statements, then proclaim victory, and laugh like a hyena, it’s not only retarded, it’s pathetic and desperate.
It may be a “tradition” to pin wins and losses on the qb, but it’s also tradition for stupid fans not to know the game. And that goes for lazy shill media as well, many of whom don’t know the game very well at all. All it takes is a journalism degree and a media pass. Since u are evidently not familiar with college, they don’t teach the sport in journalism school. They teach writing fundamentals, ethics, and so on. But knowledge of the game is learned mostly by playing and coaching. Or otherwise seriously paying attention to those that did. It also helps to have a brain that uses logic and objectivity, and is able to problem solve.
Since ur main argument against Palmer is all about wins and losses, it makes sense to hold onto that with a death grip, no matter how little it makes sense, and to yell out “other people do it!” But this is called being part of the dumb masses.
U can make fun of me all u want for acting “superior”, being a coach, and basically being intelligent, but when people with obviously little football acumen scream and shout about stuff that is simply illogical, and then LAUGH HYSTERICALLY, people like me know they have utterly no clue.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Ted nugent is a racist jack azz.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Everyone that believes in the state is a jack azz.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Ted nugent is a racist jack azz
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Does that mean he will be blogging here soon?
February 12th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
Cut Seymour, Palmer, and Kelly.
Seymour and Kelly are useless, and Pryor is better than Palmer.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
Poor guy. Relegated to making child abuse jokes.
Quality would be any recognized organization with many educated people involved.
In other words, one that wouldn’t have a fringe nutcase like urself in the building.
U don’t fit mine or anyone’s idea of a rational, educated, intelligent human being. Thankfully, people like u hardly exist.
Ur a hateful, bigoted, homophobic, completely dishonest coward.
U should be getting help, not trying to help.
Ur poisonous. Mainly to urself.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Correlating Passing Stats with Wins.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/02/12/ranking-the-2013-free-agents-quarterbacks/
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Ooohh Shít!!
Keep Palmer, any price!.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Kirk (missdick) proving his stupidity in five moronic words.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Someone said that the reason Palmer “owns” the teams won loss is record is cuz they do the same thing with pitchers in baseball.
The difference is pitchers have almost total control if their teams wins or not. If they can strike every batter out the whole game then his team will win the game eventually cuz games never end in a tie.
In football, the QB has NO CONTROL whatsoever of the defense allowing points and that’s just one example.
This goes for any QB not just Palmer.
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Truth.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Wow,what a joke ! I keep seeing articles commenting on how bad the Raiders salary cap/draft pick issues are from the way Al left them.Every year regardless of where we where at The Raiders “Al !” would restructure,get the team under the cap and signed whoever he wanted ! Reggie and Al’s son need to learn about the salary cap and restructuring and stop making excuses !! Very pathetic,I hope they learn soon instead of passing the buck! Reggie disrupted way to much(firing the coach,whitch changed the scheme,which made us regress even more !
February 12th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
That’s exactly what we need. The great Al Davis running things again. Are you serious?
February 12th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I hate to go backwards, but remember when we beat the Texans with the Huff pick, all due to Schaub not running it in? Hue got on his knees and prayed all a facade from there it got out of control, Hue had Mark and he knew it, hey Mark I have a rich qb sitting at home let’s overpay him because my backup sucks, we can win this division. We were embarrassed by tebow at home with that heisman winner throwing ints. to create the tebow myth
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I don’t believe that was a facade from Hue. He was an emotional guy and it was an emotional win.
Hue was grateful to Al for the opportunity to coach the Raiders and Al’s death affected him.
I don’t think any of that stuff was fake from Hue.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Me T sessions @ChimChek rod Streater and Jerm Stewart after work out today http://lockerz.com/s/282974812
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Yeah Buddy! TP puttin in work……….now that’s what-um-talkin’ ’bout,,,,,,,,yay!
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
When Hue Jackson takes a crap franchise to the Super Bowl, then you can say I told you so. Until then it is all speculation.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Twocents Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
When Hue Jackson takes a crap franchise to the Super Bowl, then you can say I told you so. Until then it is all speculation.
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Seen any black helicopters in the yard recently? Speaking of speculation.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Me T sessions @ChimChek rod Streater and Jerm Stewart after work out today http://lockerz.com/s/282974812
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Yeah Buddy! TP puttin in work……….now that’s what-um-talkin’ ’bout,,,,,,,,yay!
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Good he really needs all the work he can get.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
I see Mystic is cross posting again.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
KoolKell, please define your terms. I don’t know what you mean by a “black helicopter”. Is the color of the helicopter black or is it being piloted by a black man that is employed by the state?
February 12th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Even in slippers I like how Jeremy runs! Not sure Taiwan makes the roster this year. It will be too bad, I was really pulling for him.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
504 Raider Saben and Bama will beat LSU’s ass on Nov 9 and win there 4th title in 5 years book it.
February 12th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Ted nugent is a racist jack azz.
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Don’t know about that, but he’s a chickenhawk pu$$y that avoided Vietnman like a little b!tch.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cenk-uygur-calls-coward-ted-nugent-the-weakest-man-in-america/
February 12th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Me T sessions @ChimChek rod Streater and Jerm Stewart after work out today http://lockerz.com/s/282974812
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Yeah Buddy! TP puttin in work……….now that’s what-um-talkin’ ’bout,,,,,,,,yay!
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Good he really needs all the work he can get.
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It’s good to know he is dedicated to his craft.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
-Christopher Dorner
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WOW!
February 12th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
I got a little teary eyed when the Prez pointed all the survivors of these mass shootings. Children.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
Regarding dorner, two wrongs never make a right. Evil is never okay.
Just like when the idiot missdick says “I don’t turn the other cheek”, it’s these thoughts that keep war and death continuing. Never being able to turn away from perceived wrongs and let the evil die.
He has just ruined more lives and caused more pain.
Plus he has NOT “shined light” on the problem. He hassle himself look like a maniac and given the people that he blames a reason to say they were right all along.
The devil wins when u continue the evil cycle.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
r8eray Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
-Christopher Dorner
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WOW!
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Are there a lot of racist cops? Absolutely. As for why I’ll leave that alone.
Does that have anything to do with or in any way excuse this @$$hole’s rampage? He11 No!
February 12th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
r8eray Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
-Christopher Dorner
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WOW!
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SOS, Same Ol’ shame. It aint never gonna change because they can always explain it away. There is no one to check their hands.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
I was really disappointed we didn’t get to 5K posts on the last thread.
That may have been the most exciting thing we’ll see involving the Raiders in 2013, unless Reggie gets stuck in the IHOP booth again just before the draft and it comes down to the wire whether or not the staff can grease him out in time for the Raiders to get their pick in. Man, that’ll suck if we get passed over at pick 3 because of that.
Talk about rock bottom.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
“Regarding Dorner, this is needed in LA every few years. During the LA Riots the LAPD was running scared, then things calmed down and they went back to normal asskickings&killings. They needed this checking.”
Actually, you’re wrong.
Also, let the point be made that there are a lot of feral people in our cities and there are more in LA than in any of them.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
People just do’t understand the reason the civil rights movement took place and the birth of the Black Panthers was because black people were tired of being murdered by Cops paid to protect and serve. We were literally funding our murders with our own tax dollars.
Yet J Edgar Hoover said the Panthers were born for the sole reason of overthrowing the goverment. And everyone believed him. Just like everyone believed the cop was justified in murdering Oscar Grant.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
In “Fahrenheit 451″ Bradbury predicts the day the government requires schooling by the government in toddlerhood, then one day, “practically takes them from the cradle.”
Mr President:
1) The Constitution gives states, not the feds, the responsiblity of education
2) Our public schools are reflections of the inefficiency of big government and of poor parenting: can you imagine just how bad mandatory pre-school would be?
3.) WE are broke and your admin and you are making us more broke every day.
4.) Mr. President: shut the f…up.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Why is everyone taking the word of a psychotic murderer of innocent people about the claims of racism costing him his job? Did I miss something? Seems to me the odds are he was probably a liar, narcissistic and probably psychologically broken.
I haven’t followed the case extremely close, but I haven’t seen one thing that would lead me to have any respect or pity for this clown.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
r8eray Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.
The question is, what would you do to clear your name?
-Christopher Dorner
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WOW!
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Are there a lot of racist cops? Absolutely. As for why I’ll leave that alone.
Does that have anything to do with or in any way excuse this @$$hole’s rampage? He11 No!
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It’s not about an excuse it’s about, his own version of retribution. If you continue to abuse and oppress people as X said sooner or later a bomb will explode. Doesn’t make it right it is what it is.
At some point people need to treat others as they want to be treated. Then these types of things never happen. It’s sad mankind can’t understand those simple facts.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Why is everyone taking the word of a psychotic murderer of innocent people about the claims of racism costing him his job? Did I miss something? Seems to me the odds are he was probably a liar, narcissistic and probably psychologically broken.
I haven’t followed the case extremely close, but I haven’t seen one thing that would lead me to have any respect or pity for this clown.
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Chris this has been going on since I was a lil boy and way way before that. I don’t even have to hear the details to know the basic tenants of this case. It’s al too familiar……..you don’t understand it because YOU have never experienced it.
Why do you think Mistic1 is sooo angry, you can’t even imagine the phlight of the black man in America it is unimaginable for people who do NOT experience it.
February 12th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
I don’t justify any of his actions, but if you ask me do I understand them and why they happen. I definitely do….
February 12th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/02/11/eight-nfl-teams-quarterback-answer/1911351/
February 12th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Why is everyone taking the word of a psychotic murderer of innocent people about the claims of racism costing him his job? Did I miss something? Seems to me the odds are he was probably a liar, narcissistic and probably psychologically broken.
I haven’t followed the case extremely close, but I haven’t seen one thing that would lead me to have any respect or pity for this clown.
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Chris this has been going on since I was a lil boy and way way before that. I don’t even have to hear the details to know the basic tenants of this case. It’s al too familiar……..you don’t understand it because YOU have never experienced it.
Why do you think Mistic1 is sooo angry, you can’t even imagine the phlight of the black man in America it is unimaginable for people who do NOT experience it.
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Fair enough. But is Dorner really a victim in this case, or is he just crazy and/or making lame excuses for being a sh1thead?
February 12th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Chris I don’t know the case but no one goes postal just because he’s having a difficult day. This man obviously felt this was his last resort or else why do this?
If he knew he could get justice he would’ve sought it out but it was not forthcoming he took his last resort IN HIS MIND. The left him no other course he could accept and live with.
Like I said when you rob people of simple human dignity they are like a wounded animal who’s cornered. They will attack with everything in their power.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
February 12th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
“I don’t justify any of his actions, but if you ask me do I understand them and why they happen. I definitely do….’
You gotta be kidding me. There isn’t a person in the field of psychiatry who’s read this guy’s “manifesto” who hasn’t reported he’s the textbook “narcissist.”
All children remember some embarrassing incidents from childhood: the kid who made fun of your glasses; the teacher who scolded you when it was the kid next to you who was doing the talking; the girl you asked to the Christmas dance who said she’d already accepted another invitation. However, the experts report that his manifesto was the sign of a boy who couldn’t accept his “failures,” couldn’t accept the successes of others as he measured them against his own performance and so did what all narcissists do: they see everything around them and everyone around them as “slights” or “those who slight” . This is psychological protection in that it allows the narcissist to pretend his deficiencies are not his fault but the fault of others–people out to get him.
True narcissism is the result of self-loathing and self-doubt. The “other” must be made to be the problem so that the narcissist can escape blame.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
BHP,
I blame the black community for a lot of these problems.
1- education should be valued more especially for males. Black males are a minority in colleges and a majority in prisons (that has to change)
2- use the money they make to improve their lives and not materials that only improve the lifestyle (rims, furniture, jewelry, etc…)
3- I think black males and the black community lacks REAL leaders like MLK
4- the media is part of the problem (movies, Shows, etc…), so the black community needs to do extra work to educate their kids/ members about black culture and the best ways to improve this situation.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
I took the media several days to report that it was a woman who fired him (or recommended termination) from LAPD. Why did it take them so long? Hey, it was a double pc-bind.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
If Dorner was a tea party member the libtard biased media would have beat it like a dead horse but since his manifesto is that of a left leaning maniac all is well with our state ran media.
#just keeping it real
February 12th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
I was really disappointed we didn’t get to 5K posts on the last thread.
That may have been the most exciting thing we’ll see involving the Raiders in 2013, unless Reggie gets stuck in the IHOP booth again just before the draft and it comes down to the wire whether or not the staff can grease him out in time for the Raiders to get their pick in. Man, that’ll suck if we get passed over at pick 3 because of that.
Talk about rock bottom.
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Reggie and DA are banned from IHOP. They haven’t paid their tab in over two months. Also, my source tells me, there was a third member of their group who put away a lot of French toast. Some say he looks like a cross between Kaptain kangaroo and Alfred E Newman. Rumor has it, my insider source tells me, Reg/DA and the mysterious third person are now hangin at Denny’s doin slams. Now that’s rock bottom. No IHOP stadium deal cuz Reggie and them would not pay their fcking tab.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
The origin or the LAPD goes all the way back to the “Night Riders” of the south. They came to So. Calif. to bring back the slaves or force them back to so states. Those same principles remain in that institution down there.
The slaves when frreed went west to So Cal to biuld there own new found lives have land and biuld their own communities but they wouldn’t have it. The “Night Riders” became the Police Dept. in So. Cal. Nothing has changed since those days………period
February 12th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
BHP,
I blame the black community for a lot of these problems.
1- education should be valued more especially for males. Black males are a minority in colleges and a majority in prisons (that has to change)
2- use the money they make to improve their lives and not materials that only improve the lifestyle (rims, furniture, jewelry, etc…)
3- I think black males and the black community lacks REAL leaders like MLK
4- the media is part of the problem (movies, Shows, etc…), so the black community needs to do extra work to educate their kids/ members about black culture and the best ways to improve this situation.
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I agree. And African-Americans are c different that way from Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.
The difference is that we grew up under Jim Crow. Less self esteem.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
Ohhhhhh Reggie FK’d up the R Seymour fiasco? What a huge surprise THAT is!
Reg, if you read this blog 3 years ago I could have saved you a lot of grief…..your gut and my brains could make a real difference.
Carry on….
February 12th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
The obvious targets cutting or restructuring the contracts of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly. Cutting these two veterans would free up $10 million in cap space.
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer
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welcome back, Steve!
I’m ready to part ways with all 3.
toss McClain & Tollefson in the trash heap while we’re at it
February 12th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
KK, did you hear gasoline is the highest in the month of February ever in our history?
Mope & change, right?
I heard 8.5 mil have dropped out of the workforce since Hussein took over and our debt has eclipsed our GDP. Did Hussein talk about this state of our Union, or did he make more promises he won’t keep? Sorry I don’t have the stomach to watch.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Education will eliminate a lot of problems:
1- black on black violence
2- money management (look at these athletes and entertainers who are broke in a few years after making Millions.)
3- I think Black people cared more about education in the 50s-70s than they do now with more opportunities.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Brown,
Reggie had the option to pay Seymour $7.5 million to leave or $15 million to stay.
Not only did he stay, but Reggie asked him to restructure and added those voidable years to his contract … causing this HUGE cap hit
I was one of the few telling Seymour to kick rocks last offseason. Everybody else wanted to blame Al Davis or Chuck Bresnahan for his lack of production!
February 12th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
O,
thanks for clearing up the question about titty monkeys earlier today, always wondered that myself
lol
February 12th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
who was the young cuban kid in a suit tonight?
eh, who cares?
vote for Ricky Rubio!!
February 12th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
KK, did Hussein mention in his state of confusion speech that Dorner is a left leaning maniac?
More “shovel ready” jobs coming down the pike ? How many rounds of golf projected in 2013 ?
February 12th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
BHP,
I blame the black community for a lot of these problems.
1- education should be valued more especially for males. Black males are a minority in colleges and a majority in prisons (that has to change)
2- use the money they make to improve their lives and not materials that only improve the lifestyle (rims, furniture, jewelry, etc…)
3- I think black males and the black community lacks REAL leaders like MLK
4- the media is part of the problem (movies, Shows, etc…), so the black community needs to do extra work to educate their kids/ members about black culture and the best ways to improve this situation
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Raider O, This is a lifetime discussion man. I wish I could make you understand but it is hopeless. I live it everyday and have been a militant myself. I know what ills the black community and I know who and why it exist. To explain this to you would take months not some frivilous convo on this blog. This is historic not a manifestation of some ill conceaved plans by a few misguided blacks.
Don’t mean to be dismissive but I cannot do it justice in this forum………..thanks!
February 12th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
LOL RR.
I can’t help myself bro. I’m fascinated by Monkeys.
Fat Monkey: Cable
Spoiled little biotch Monkey: Kittin
Drunk Nudist Monkey: Chuck B
Titty Monkey: DA
February 12th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
I was not one of the few but the ONLY one telling Seymour to kick rocks 3 years ago.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
I was one of the few telling Seymour to kick rocks last offseason.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
BHP,
No problem. I was sharing my opinion. I’m sure you know more about this topic than I do.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
“I agree. And African-Americans are c different that way from Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.
“The difference is that we grew up under Jim Crow. Less self esteem.”
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You need to look at the data. You evidently have a limited, narrow grasp of the “success” of “Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.”
Take a look at the crime stats world-wide, take a look at the economic messes and crime messes of black-run African countries. Take the blinders off.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Btw, I hope I didn’t offend anyone with my posts. Like I said, I was sharing my opinions as an outsider who is interested in this topic.
Minorities (Blacks, Muslims, gays, etc) need to protect their rights by focusing on their struggle/ similarities more than their differences.
I don’t accept homosexuality but I respect/ accept their rights.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Btw, I hope I didn’t offend anyone with my posts. Like I said, I was sharing my opinions as an outsider who is interested in this topic.
Minorities (Blacks, Muslims, gays, etc) need to protect their rights by focusing on their struggle/ similarities more than their differences.
I don’t accept homosexuality but I respect/ accept their rights.
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No worries, I know your heart is in the right place. Unlike some others….
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
You need to look at the data. You evidently have a limited, narrow grasp of the “success” of “Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.”
Take a look at the crime stats world-wide, take a look at the economic messes and crime messes of black-run African countries. Take the blinders off.
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You need to go stick a cork up your mother’s azzzz.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Liberals don’t look at data or facts for the most part and if they do they just dismiss them and then trudge on with their destruction (see white house). You can’t have a bleeding heart and be guided by facts.
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Shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
You need to look at the data.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
See post #367
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KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
You need to go stick a cork up your mother’s azzzz.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
nice to see my boy Terrelle Pryor working out with a few teammates already this offseason (Streater, Stewart & Chekwa)
February 12th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
The origin or the LAPD goes all the way back to the “Night Riders” of the south. They came to So. Calif. to bring back the slaves or force them back to so states. Those same principles remain in that institution down there.
The slaves when frreed went west to So Cal to biuld there own new found lives have land and biuld their own communities but they wouldn’t have it. The “Night Riders” became the Police
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Easier to talk about the “origin” of the LAPD (such as you have chosen to believe it, anyway) rather than your own origins, if you are of West African descent? Your selling into slavery by your “own.”
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
KK, did Hussein mention that gas was 1.85 a gallon when he took office or that the debt was about 6 trillion smaller ? Did he mention he put 15 million more Americans on food stamps ?
Im guessing those facts are not included in our state of the union address, ya ?
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
O,
you don’t offend me. you’re still VP of the Pryor fanclub
and Frantz Joseph’s biggest fan!!
February 12th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
is Palmer having surgery?
how serious was his injury?
I don’t even remember what he injured during that Panthers game!
I know Reggie & Dennis expect him back by OTA’s , right?
February 12th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
found it.
cracked ribs and a bruised lung
Anybody know the timetable for his return?
February 12th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
Let’s see:
Pre-Salary, Al Davis probably the GREATEST GM of his time
Post Salary cap, Al Davis possibly the WORST GM of his time.
Yeah, it’s all a myth. Al got every player he wanted, he just forgot how to evaluate players right?
The salary cap chewed up and spit out Al Davis annually.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
“I agree. And African-Americans are c different that way from Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.
“The difference is that we grew up under Jim Crow. Less self esteem.”
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You need to look at the data. You evidently have a limited, narrow grasp of the “success” of “Africans, West Indies Africans, and European Blacks.”
Take a look at the crime stats world-wide, take a look at the economic messes and crime messes of black-run African countries. Take the blinders off.
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I think you should as well, the atrocities committed worldwide by europeans on countries other than their own as well as they’re own. Go all the way back and take a look at the history of religion and the wreckage brought upon the world at large by America as well. This a HUMAIN issue not just a black issue. Humans on Humans my man.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Our Qb situation is pretty simple even Reggie might not F this one up.
Palmer is no 1
Pryor is no 2
Draft a project
Got it McSlow?
The end
February 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
KK, did Hussein mention that gas was 1.85 a gallon when he took office or that the debt was about 6 trillion smaller ? Did he mention he put 15 million more Americans on food stamps ?
Im guessing those facts are not included in our state of the union address, ya ?
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The moment you call him “Hussein” you may as well be wearing a chicken suit and a hat made of dildos, and start speaking Klingon because nobody can take you seriously.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
This guy Dorner kills his old counsel’s daughter because he was mad at him for losing his case?
Dude, you hired him, that’s a you problem!!!!!
Just like Knapp and DA, DA hired the clown, can’t be mad that he put on a red nose and wig.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
tj, how about the atrocities that happen in Richmond and East Oakland right now today, those are ok right?
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Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
I think you should as well, the atrocities committed worldwide by europeans on countries
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Libtard, I call him Hussein because thats his name. Secondly, who is taking him seriously other than drones and sheep like you?
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RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
The moment you call him “Hussein” you may as well be wearing a chicken suit and a hat made of dildos, and start speaking Klingon because nobody can take you seriously.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
found it.
cracked ribs and a bruised lung
Anybody know the timetable for his return?
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I doubt he’ll miss any time. We’ll be able to see that squinty frown soon enough.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
This country was wrested away from the natives by Murder and rape and pillage. They didn’t ask for it they STOLE it.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
LOL at raising unemployment by 25%.
They should lower it in my opinion, more incentive to get out and get some skills to get a real job.
Or stop committing felonies in your teens. Or getting neck tattoo’s when you never went to prison.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I guess KK’s keyboard is broke he hasn’t gave me an update of the state of confusion speech by pres derelict…
February 12th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
O,
you don’t offend me. you’re still VP of the Pryor fanclub
and Frantz Joseph’s biggest fan!!
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F Joseph? lol
I was his biggest fan. F Josepf is the next R Lewis? Effin Monkey.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Frantz Joseph is one of the founding fathers of the Blog Do Nothing All-star team.
Along with Kellen Heard, Bruce Campbell, Colt Brennan and Taiwan Jones.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Fun fact:
There are more people in America on food stamps than there are in the entire Country of Spain.
We could literally transplant every food stamp recipient in Spain and eclipse their population.
hope & change
February 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
The salary cap chewed up and spit out Al Davis annually.
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Exactly right, but at least he never cheated it like Eddie D.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
What I’m saying is African Americans grew up under slavery 2/3rds person, segregation, Jim Crow and 2nd class citizenship.
Africans in other parts of the diaspora have not. Their humanhood was not questioned. They arent burdend with the slave mentality, a lot more innate pride and respect for education.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Or getting neck tattoo’s when you never went to prison.
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Get a kick out of some of these schmucks with pants on the ground and tats all over. They wonder why they can’t get ahead. lol
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
“I think you should as well, the atrocities committed worldwide by europeans on countries other than their own as well as they’re own. Go all the way back and take a look at the history of religion and the wreckage brought upon the world at large by America as well. This a HUMAIN issue not just a black issue. Humans on Humans my man.”
You need to study uncolonized SubSaharan Africa. If you don’t want to talk about countries that were formerly run by the descendants of white European colonists, try the ones the Euros didn’t want to have anything to do with.
You can also study the hunter-gatherer Bantu as well.
And, best of all, go there yourself. Try a variety of countries.
For a really good intellectual and scientific exploration of how genes matter, how genes “create” culture and how those cultures, in turn, create systems that work or don’t work: explore 2 countries closer to home and inhabiting the same island: Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
ONly then will we have a basis for our “talk.”
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
CP’s Salary and Seymour’s dead money = $30 million against the cap next year.
Why didn’t we cut/ trade Seymour last year? Bad move Reggie.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Its time to get real. This team has for last 11 years tried to work with so many different FA players, most of them were on the down side of their career. It is time to clean house because it want make a bit of difference if we keep palmer or not. I for one would try to sign only 3 FA on the roster: 1. wheeler, 2, gaither 3. bryant. I done with the currenlt roster FA. I would not sign all of the other players. I would let the rest test the market: barnes, carlise, carter, giodano, lechler, leinart, spencer, mitchell, hagan, and already gone seymour. I would also gettison shaugnessy, myers, hanson, goodson. We have for to long got use to mediocre players.
Would most of these FA’s make the starting line up of the top divisional teams? I dont think so.
As for the C.ap and needing money to spend: Time to ask your self a question, Instant cap relief I would cut the following: does not give you force fumbles or interceptions gone is Branch. Mr. False start is gone Brisel. The one guy who doing the last off season tried on another team uniform is gone see you huff. The defensive player with the most penalties Kelly and his partner in crime mcclain or gone. Also gone is tollfeson and goethel I would also try to restructure the following players to the minumum base salary or trade them: Palmer, Mcfadden and DHB. It time for a change because time want stop.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
I’m done moderator so you can do your thing however you wish to do it. thanks!
February 12th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
first of all, priest is sounding a LOT like missdick. funny.
secondly, this dorner dude is killing people. innocent people. why? he lost his job?
that was what drove him to it? seems he had a lot of issues. killers always do. this guy is no martyr.
black men today have it so bad? sure, some do. and many choose to stay ignorant and sling drugs, join gangs, etc. they aren’t forced. they may be taught by others. but they have a choice.
and plenty of black men choose to be educated, good people. the prez is black for crying out loud.
priest and missdick acting like it’s 1963. it’s 50 years later! read again FIFTY!. half a century. again. a black prez!
we live in a world today where blacks and whites get along in all facets of life, and youngsters don’t even care about that stuff much any more.
is there racism? sure. always has been. always will be, and it’s been ridiculous every time.
but it’s not anything like it used to be. this dude had a job. he was a police officer. he reported another officer and was found to be lying. is the LAPD messed up? obviously. we all know that. but it’s definitely possible this nut was lying. he’s a murderer after all.
and don’t ry giving me this BS about missdick being some “angry young black man”. he’s a bigot. simple and pure.
let’s have some fun for a minute. according to missdick this scenario is in play:
1) dorner gets fired unjustifiably by white people (even if there are tons of non-whites in the LAPD)
2) he now has the right to kill whites, including young children, cuz they’re the enemy.
see how evil it all is? but so simple to see how stupid it is.
dorner didn’t have to kill anyone.
and he wasn’t some poor black youth, living squalor, finding it impossible to get out. he was in the military. he was a cop. he had avenues.
he’s sick. twisted. a killer. period.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
What I’m saying is African Americans grew up under slavery 2/3rds person, segregation, Jim Crow and 2nd class citizenship.
Africans in other parts of the diaspora have not. Their humanhood was not questioned. They arent burdend with the slave mentality, a lot more innate pride and respect for education.
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Pure bull.
Women didn’t get the vote until the Twenties.
Consider the thriving of many black communities in the early part of the 20th Century, Harlem and Oakland included.
Pure bull, bull, and more bull.
February 12th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Get a kick out of some of these schmucks with pants on the ground and tats all over. They wonder why they can’t get ahead. lol
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This dude has it right…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37XlP06nOPQ
February 12th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
KK, did Hussein mention that gas was 1.85 a gallon when he took office or that the debt was about 6 trillion smaller ? Did he mention he put 15 million more Americans on food stamps ?
Im guessing those facts are not included in our state of the union address, ya ?
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The moment you call him “Hussein” you may as well be wearing a chicken suit and a hat made of dildos, and start speaking Klingon because nobody can take you seriously.
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yep. it’s like a beacon attached to the stupid.
same thing can be said anytime someone brings up wins and losses being palmer’s record. just dumb. not even worth talking to morons.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Frantz Joseph is one of the founding fathers of the Blog Do Nothing All-star team.
Along with Kellen Heard, Bruce Campbell, Colt Brennan and Taiwan Jones.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
He had a good story (choosing a smaller school over BC to stay close to his sick mother), and he was a hard worker.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Libtard, I call him Hussein because thats his name. Secondly, who is taking him seriously other than drones and sheep like you?
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see. u think people are stupid. u use that name to try ridiculously cast him as an evil muslim.
u know his name. u fool nobody.
who’s taking him seriously?
try more than half the voters, plus most of the non-voters, and any of the smart right wingers, who live in reality.
only right wing nut jobs try this stuff. ur a retard calling everyone else dumb. we’re all laughing at u.
grow up and act like u have some common sense.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Raiders’ best and most important player is our third round pick from Hillsdale College.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
This country was wrested away from the natives by Murder and rape and pillage. They didn’t ask for it they STOLE it.
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by people that lived a long time ago and who have nothing to do with anything.
it’s ancient history.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Get a kick out of some of these schmucks with pants on the ground and tats all over. They wonder why they can’t get ahead. lol
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This dude has it right…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37XlP06nOPQ
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AMEN!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Hillsdale college = wacky, right wing school
February 12th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
LOL at raising unemployment by 25%.
They should lower it in my opinion, more incentive to get out and get some skills to get a real job.
Or stop committing felonies in your teens. Or getting neck tattoo’s when you never went to prison.
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This stuff never stopped white kids from getting employment.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
I guess KK’s keyboard is broke he hasn’t gave me an update of the state of confusion speech by pres derelict…
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ur the political version of the anti-palmer brigade. totally retarded and u think ur funny. but most people think ur an idiot. fringe lunatics are always the same.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Libtard, I call him Hussein because thats his name. Secondly, who is taking him seriously other than drones and sheep like you?
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No, you call him Hussein to make him seem even more like an “other” and to bubble up extra rage from people who aren’t comfortable with those who aren’t like them. You are using Hussein like a crutch on a poliotic child instead of standing behind your issues.
I never mentioned taking him seriously. I was talking about taking you seriously.
Note: I haven’t actually defended the pres or his actions.
PS “Libtard” can be added to the dildo hat list also.
aaaand scene. I’m done with trolls for tonight.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Fun fact:
There are more people in America on food stamps than there are in the entire Country of Spain.
We could literally transplant every food stamp recipient in Spain and eclipse their population.
hope & change
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because of the greedy one percent scumbags.
are they supposed to starve to prove to u they want to make it on their own?
February 12th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
BO would never have the nuts to stand up like Mayor Nutter did in that speech and DEMAND more from people.
Not ask, not tell how things will get better, look in the flipping mirror and you will see the probem.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
All the Goth and wierd clothing they wear has no affect on their fortunes. They committ the same crimes and get it reduced, get busted again and it doesn’t matter. They still can become the CEO of a major corporation. It’s a double standard…..period
February 12th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
A great LT, really good RB when healthy, okay WR & QB; suspect defense; yikes we’ve become the Cleveland Browns.
Reggie, cut McClain, Kelly; restructure DHB, Palmer, McFadden, Huff,Branch, Brisiel, or release if unable to trade.
Take the hit this season for the sake of Raider Nation’s future!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
CP’s Salary and Seymour’s dead money = $30 million against the cap next year.
Why didn’t we cut/ trade Seymour last year? Bad move Reggie.
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You are right bro. The Raiders have hit rock bottom in my opinion. Under Al it was screwy but at least the olde man TRIED. Now it seems like this group has just given up. Tarping up the seats. Cutting Palmer DHB and Tommy Kelly (and I’m not even a 100% believer in these three ). But what does that leave us?
A bunch of Practice Squad players and TP? WOW. I’m starting to believe ownership just wants to lower payroll so much so that they can just pocket the team’s cash.
Could this be the end of the once proud franchise?
“LA Sharks” in 2015?
February 12th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Get a kick out of some of these schmucks with pants on the ground and tats all over. They wonder why they can’t get ahead. lol
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I don’t care about tats, but those saggy pants are ugly especially skinny jeans. It looks like you soiled your pants.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
What I’m saying is African Americans grew up under slavery 2/3rds person, segregation, Jim Crow and 2nd class citizenship.
Africans in other parts of the diaspora have not. Their humanhood was not questioned. They arent burdend with the slave mentality, a lot more innate pride and respect for education.
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what year is this? slavery? segregation? jim crow?
lot of african people come here and thrive. cuz they don’t sit back and hate whitey. they just work and live and realize how much u can achieve when u do that.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
“I think you should as well, the atrocities committed worldwide by europeans on countries other than their own as well as they’re own. Go all the way back and take a look at the history of religion and the wreckage brought upon the world at large by America as well. This a HUMAIN issue not just a black issue. Humans on Humans my man.”
You need to study uncolonized SubSaharan Africa. If you don’t want to talk about countries that were formerly run by the descendants of white European colonists, try the ones the Euros didn’t want to have anything to do with.
You can also study the hunter-gatherer Bantu as well.
And, best of all, go there yourself. Try a variety of countries.
For a really good intellectual and scientific exploration of how genes matter, how genes “create” culture and how those cultures, in turn, create systems that work or don’t work: explore 2 countries closer to home and inhabiting the same island: Haiti and the Dominican Republic.
ONly then will we have a basis for our “talk.”
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genes don’t mean sh1t. neither does color. that’s hitler talk.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lot of african people come here and thrive. cuz they don’t sit back and hate whitey. they just work and live and realize how much u can achieve when u do tha
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That’s what I’m saying. Except I don’t deny cause & effect.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Raidertalk Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
CP’s Salary and Seymour’s dead money = $30 million against the cap next year.
Why didn’t we cut/ trade Seymour last year? Bad move Reggie.
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You are right bro. The Raiders have hit rock bottom in my opinion. Under Al it was screwy but at least the olde man TRIED. Now it seems like this group has just given up. Tarping up the seats. Cutting Palmer DHB and Tommy Kelly (and I’m not even a 100% believer in these three ). But what does that leave us?
A bunch of Practice Squad players and TP? WOW. I’m starting to believe ownership just wants to lower payroll so much so that they can just pocket the team’s cash.
Could this be the end of the once proud franchise?
“LA Sharks” in 2015?
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wooooooooooo go LA Ravens!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I would like to know a CEO of a “major corporation” that dresses in goth and has a criminal record.
There was the guy from a tech company that got canned once his criminal record was made public a few years ago, but I think he was Arab.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
I’m starting to believe ownership just wants to lower payroll so much so that they can just pocket the team’s cash.
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Isn’t Mark good buddies with Donald Sterling?
February 12th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
cracked ribs and a bruised lung
Anybody know the timetable for his return?
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He11, he was putting his helmet back on when he came out of the locker room.
That’s my Golden Haired Hero.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
LOL at raising unemployment by 25%.
They should lower it in my opinion, more incentive to get out and get some skills to get a real job.
Or stop committing felonies in your teens. Or getting neck tattoo’s when you never went to prison.
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This stuff never stopped white kids from getting employment.
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bullsh1t. i know. cuz i refused to hire several of them.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
LOL at raising unemployment by 25%.
They should lower it in my opinion, more incentive to get out and get some skills to get a real job.
Or stop committing felonies in your teens. Or getting neck tattoo’s when you never went to prison.
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This stuff never stopped white kids from getting employment.
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when i was in college, i waited tables. there was black guy who worked in the kitchen and he was always trying to get management to let him be a server. but he was ‘hood all the way. i liked him and we used go drinking together. but there was no way they were putting him out on the floor. and there were black servers too. just ones that seemed like they could represent themselves and the restaurant in a nice manner.
seen it happen with lots of white guys too. if u act like a thug, people are gonna assume ur a thug. u may think it makes u look cool or tuff, but it also makes u unemployable.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
All they have to do is know the right people and clean up a bit. They have access and more opportunity to alter their lives. We have some but not nearly to the same extent………….period
I’ve seen guys who never should be a cop becomme one. Because they had a family member or other. I have a rich friendd who’s been busted for drugs at least 10 times and has NEVER seen a day in prison. Bceuase his father is a bigtime JUDGE.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
All the Goth and wierd clothing they wear has no affect on their fortunes. They committ the same crimes and get it reduced, get busted again and it doesn’t matter. They still can become the CEO of a major corporation. It’s a double standard…..period
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Good point. Don’t forget about the kids in skinny saggy jeans. Ugh!
They can become the president. Look at G Bush. No minority member can do drugs, get DUIs, below avg student, and still manage to become a president who served (using the te loosely) 2 terms.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
All the Goth and wierd clothing they wear has no affect on their fortunes. They committ the same crimes and get it reduced, get busted again and it doesn’t matter. They still can become the CEO of a major corporation. It’s a double standard…..period
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goths becoming CEO’s?
man dude. u have less of a clue about white people than u think white people do about blacks.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Goth and strange piercings are just as bad, Priest. That sh1t would not go over well where I work. Bottom line if you look like an azz clown, the top-paying jobs requiring trust and responsibility will not come calling.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
His father died left him 10 Million and he has sqaundered all of it.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Manny Pacquaio is working on squandering like 250 million dollars.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
People need to stop making excuses for why you are where you are. TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN DAM LIFE! I’m an immigrant so I don’t want to hear this BS anyway. I took advantage of the opportunities and made the most of them. Nobody handed me a thing. Grew up in a poor house, worked to pay my way through JC, transferred to university and worked my azz off (10 hour shifts) to pay that, graduated, and got a nice job doing what I enjoy.
Grow the fk up and take control of your life. I’m not responsible for your sh1tty situation.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
Raiders’ best and most important player is our third round pick from Hillsdale College.
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Classic Al Davis pick that had all the pundits scratching thier heads.
The speed thing, while not untrue, is more cliche than fact.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Term*
February 12th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
I’m just telling ya’ access is everything. By percentage whites have 10 times more access than blacks. So to stand in judgement is very easy. Because you don’t have to live under the same conditions. It’s easier for whites to envision success.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lot of african people come here and thrive. cuz they don’t sit back and hate whitey. they just work and live and realize how much u can achieve when u do tha
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That’s what I’m saying. Except I don’t deny cause & effect.
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i will say that the black community has issues of self worth that have come from years of not believing they could make it. i remember about twenty years ago, going into bars and seeing old drunk black guys acting really appreciative if u could hook them up with a beer or a few bucks. i remember thinking they were kinda acting like a shuffling “yessa masta” type thing but more pimpish. they really did think of themselves as being second class. “i’m just a nigg-er, what u want from me” type stuff. sad. but i also knew black families who would look at those guys like “get out of here. disgusting”. much of it has to do with socio-economic standing, and education.
but there are poor whit trash idiots too. people with no expectations of success in life. panhandlers, meth heads, etc. it all sucks. but it’s life to some degree.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
We are raising a generation of people fit to only work at strip clubs and night clubs.
There’s the next great American Industrialisation, titty joints.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
This is brutal. 20+ mill against the cap in dead money to part ways with Seymour and McClain??!!! That’s insane. Gonna have to get our hands around the fact that 2013 is another ‘wasted’ year – dump all the crap contracts this year, take the hit and look to start the real rebuilding in 2014 – restructuring only prelongs what has to happen.
Restructuring contracts and taking later hits to the cap to only win maybe 6 games does nothing for us long term..
Release DHB, Brisel, Palmer, McClain, Kelly, and Branch and Huff too and trade down in the draft at less than face value even to get extra 3rd round picks and build the team from the inside out in the draft. 1 so called ‘elite’ guy aint gonna do jack.
As much as its sketchy, let Pryor be the game day starter and let it play out. If he’s terrible, than we get a top 3 pick in ‘14 and can get a chance at a franchise QB.
Plus DA absolutely sucks and we need to finally hit bottom this year and then the true rebuilding can begin – top 3 pick, new coaching staff and a hopefully bright future.
Has to happen, there’s no other choice. Do what has to be done now so we can build again – with top picks and a budget, Reggie can do alot in 1 year.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I would like to know a CEO of a “major corporation” that dresses in goth and has a criminal record.
There was the guy from a tech company that got canned once his criminal record was made public a few years ago, but I think he was Arab.
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the only time it happens is in the entertainment industry. where “creatives” are given a pass. but it’s usually a position of finding other talent. cus creatives don’t want to be involved with the business end like that.
look at jay-z. he was given a high position due to his ability to find other talent.
but a contrasting example would be russell simmons. he doesn’t act thug at all.
rick rubin would be the white example.
bur rubin and russell and other music moguls were self made, rising from indie labels.
but the idea criminals and weirdos are being handed ceo jobs is preposterous.
maybe we all look alike to priest.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
CP’s Salary and Seymour’s dead money = $30 million against the cap next year.
Why didn’t we cut/ trade Seymour last year? Bad move Reggie.
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Just to prove I am not picking on you for no reason, I agree fully about Seymour and said so at the time. This was a horrendous blunder and I still have no idea what he was thinking. You never EVER restructure expensive players contracts if you don’t plan on them playing for at least two more years, unless they accept a massive pay cut (IE Vick).
Reggie should have known better.
Hopefully he believed Seymour’s injury problems were completely behind him or this made zero sense.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
cracked ribs and a bruised lung
Anybody know the timetable for his return?
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He11, he was putting his helmet back on when he came out of the locker room.
That’s my Golden Haired Hero.
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yeah. it seemed he wanted to come back in. with broken ribs and a punctured lung.
and people call him a quitter.
insanity.
or maybe it was cuz he was afraid of the pryor takeover!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Because you don’t have to live under the same conditions.
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I believe I am the only person in here who lives in a minority-majority state.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
People need to stop making excuses for why you are where you are. TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN DAM LIFE! I’m an immigrant so I don’t want to hear this BS anyway. I took advantage of the opportunities and made the most of them. Nobody handed me a thing. Grew up in a poor house, worked to pay my way through JC, transferred to university and worked my azz off (10 hour shifts) to pay that, graduated, and got a nice job doing what I enjoy.
Grow the fk up and take control of your life. I’m not responsible for your sh1tty situation.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Where did you emigrate from?
February 12th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
All they have to do is know the right people and clean up a bit. They have access and more opportunity to alter their lives. We have some but not nearly to the same extent………….period
I’ve seen guys who never should be a cop becomme one. Because they had a family member or other. I have a rich friendd who’s been busted for drugs at least 10 times and has NEVER seen a day in prison. Bceuase his father is a bigtime JUDGE.
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well, now ur talking justice system, and i will agree blacks and latinos get screwed.
however, poor whites do to. money talks in the justice system.
public defender? forget it.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
When I go work in El Paso, they treat seeing an Italian like seeing a Unicorn.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
People need to stop making excuses for why you are where you are. TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN DAM LIFE! I’m an immigrant so I don’t want to hear this BS anyway. I took advantage of the opportunities and made the most of them. Nobody handed me a thing. Grew up in a poor house, worked to pay my way through JC, transferred to university and worked my azz off (10 hour shifts) to pay that, graduated, and got a nice job doing what I enjoy.
Grow the fk up and take control of your life. I’m not responsible for your sh1tty situation.
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apparently u would be if u were white. even if ur family wasn’t even in this country until after slavery and were liberal Catholic yankees. at least that’s what missdick says about me.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
CDERaider Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
This is brutal. 20+ mill against the cap in dead money to part ways with Seymour and McClain??!!! That’s insane. Gonna have to get our hands around the fact that 2013 is another ‘wasted’ year – dump all the crap contracts this year, take the hit and look to start the real rebuilding in 2014 – restructuring only prelongs what has to happen.
Restructuring contracts and taking later hits to the cap to only win maybe 6 games does nothing for us long term..
Release DHB, Brisel, Palmer, McClain, Kelly, and Branch and Huff too and trade down in the draft at less than face value even to get extra 3rd round picks and build the team from the inside out in the draft. 1 so called ‘elite’ guy aint gonna do jack.
As much as its sketchy, let Pryor be the game day starter and let it play out. If he’s terrible, than we get a top 3 pick in ‘14 and can get a chance at a franchise QB.
Plus DA absolutely sucks and we need to finally hit bottom this year and then the true rebuilding can begin – top 3 pick, new coaching staff and a hopefully bright future.
Has to happen, there’s no other choice. Do what has to be done now so we can build again – with top picks and a budget, Reggie can do alot in 1 year.
z>>>>
This is the correct strategy ONLY if everyone can accept being a horrible team for one more year.
I don’t see it happening, and I don’t wish it to happen.
This franchise needs to get back to respectability NOW.
I do not believe in losing so we can win later. The time to blow up the team was LAST year! Its too late now…
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
I’m just telling ya’ access is everything. By percentage whites have 10 times more access than blacks. So to stand in judgement is very easy. Because you don’t have to live under the same conditions. It’s easier for whites to envision success.
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not whites priest. rich whites. plenty of white people without access too.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
You came here by choice we didn’t. Everything black people have ever gained was not GIVEN to them. THey EARNED every bit of it and then some.
Stop telling what we need to do, get the heell out of the way and we’ll do it. We always have…period
We didn’t NEED your dumbass to begin with.
I don’t know of any black man that got somewhere becuase white folks made it easy for him. It was the opposite. He had to do twice as much for the same reward.
Everything I have a worked my ass off for, same as every black man I know…….so take that crap some place else.
I don’t NEED YOU, if anything YOU NEED ME.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
It won’t be hard to outdo 4 wins.
Pretty confident we will exceed that, whoever it at QB.
No draft picks killed us last year. Got to restock the shelves with some young legs.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
We are raising a generation of people fit to only work at strip clubs and night clubs.
There’s the next great American Industrialisation, titty joints.
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yeah but most of them will have a tv show on bravo.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Good point, titty dives and Reality shows.
We are doomed.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
All-Star Break can’t get here fast enough for the W’s.
We need a SF in a major way.
Barnes and his 6 points a night isn’t getting it done.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
I’m starting to believe ownership just wants to lower payroll so much so that they can just pocket the team’s cash.
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Isn’t Mark good buddies with Donald Sterling?
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Its hard to believe that this group wants to win with non-moves like Seymore and 7 million in cap that went unspent last year. We now have tarp over the Coli and no cap space to hire any FAs. Short of draft miracles this team is on its last legs. I really hope they want to win and not just drain the organization.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
I do worry we will become the SuperSonics.
It is an unlikely, but not impossible scenario.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Althought the 4.5 in cap space from last year does carry over to this year.
Playoffs!!!!!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
You came here by choice we didn’t. Everything black people have ever gained was not GIVEN to them. THey EARNED every bit of it and then some.
Stop telling what we need to do, get the heell out of the way and we’ll do it. We always have…period
We didn’t NEED your dumbass to begin with.
I don’t know of any black man that got somewhere becuase white folks made it easy for him. It was the opposite. He had to do twice as much for the same reward.
Everything I have a worked my ass off for, same as every black man I know…….so take that crap some place else.
I don’t NEED YOU, if anything YOU NEED ME.
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i didn’t come here by choice. i was born here. same as u. most people, black or white or whatever, have to work hard to get ahead.
plenty of black kids of rich blacks being given sh1t too. not as many but there’s also plenty of po’ white folk too.
have blacks had a harder time “in general”? i’m pretty sure. but not nearly as much these days.
young blacks have lots of chances. and the more they can let go of hatred being passed on by their elders, the better chance they have.
it’s called assimilation. and white kids who can grow up not thinking that way are better off too.
it’s a different america. black prez. hip hop is everywhere. cultures are crossing over everywhere.
but evil still lurks. just look at the hate spewed here nightly.
u have to fight the good fight. be dilligent.
but hate never saves. only destroys. especially the hater.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Some people are just plain stupid, I see more poor white people begging than any race in this country. They are on welfare more than any race in the union.
Yet always talking about we want them to give us something. It’s crazy as hell. All blakc people need from white folks is to stop victimizing black people for crimes they committ themselves and go free.
We can do the rest ourselves that much is PROVEN.
YOU commit 100’s more crimes yet the prisons are filled with Mexicans and black because you go free for committing the same crime we go to prison for.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
When I go work in El Paso, they treat seeing an Italian like seeing a Unicorn.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
They have Arabs/ liquor stores in El Paso? lol
February 12th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Gdog Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
CDERaider Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
This is brutal. 20+ mill against the cap in dead money to part ways with Seymour and McClain??!!! That’s insane. Gonna have to get our hands around the fact that 2013 is another ‘wasted’ year – dump all the crap contracts this year, take the hit and look to start the real rebuilding in 2014 – restructuring only prelongs what has to happen.
Restructuring contracts and taking later hits to the cap to only win maybe 6 games does nothing for us long term..
Release DHB, Brisel, Palmer, McClain, Kelly, and Branch and Huff too and trade down in the draft at less than face value even to get extra 3rd round picks and build the team from the inside out in the draft. 1 so called ‘elite’ guy aint gonna do jack.
As much as its sketchy, let Pryor be the game day starter and let it play out. If he’s terrible, than we get a top 3 pick in ‘14 and can get a chance at a franchise QB.
Plus DA absolutely sucks and we need to finally hit bottom this year and then the true rebuilding can begin – top 3 pick, new coaching staff and a hopefully bright future.
Has to happen, there’s no other choice. Do what has to be done now so we can build again – with top picks and a budget, Reggie can do alot in 1 year.
z>>>>
This is the correct strategy ONLY if everyone can accept being a horrible team for one more year.
I don’t see it happening, and I don’t wish it to happen.
This franchise needs to get back to respectability NOW.
I do not believe in losing so we can win later. The time to blow up the team was LAST year! Its too late now…
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If you want to eventually get out of this mess, there’s really no other option at this point, we have players vast majority either not performing or not even playing on the team because of dead money.
I love the Raiders. We belong at the top. I would absorb a losing season this year knowing there’s a legitimate light at the end of the tunnel. I would not absorb a BS season of 5-6 wins with the same old BS players with later cap nonsense in the future. If we can clean the books this year next season we have a chance to do something – being 20 mill under the cap with top picks and a new coaching staff is a hel of alot better than where we sit today.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Some people are just plain stupid, I see more poor white people begging than any race in this country. They are on welfare more than any race in the union.
Yet always talking about we want them to give us something. It’s crazy as hell. All blakc people need from white folks is to stop victimizing black people for crimes they committ themselves and go free.
We can do the rest ourselves that much is PROVEN.
YOU commit 100’s more crimes yet the prisons are filled with Mexicans and black because you go free for committing the same crime we go to prison for.
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what do those people have to do with me?
u want me to lump u in with gang bangers and murderers?
don’t say “you”. that’s making blanket statements about “colors” of people, which is ridiculous.
do u know how any different types of white people there are?
it’s divisive to put millions of people into groups based on a basic skin color.
what does skin color have to do with anything anyway?
it’s far more important to look at socio-economic factors, values, etc.
some of us are ur friends.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Gdog Says:
I do not believe in losing so we can win later.
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Many in here do. There’s a word for people that accept losing for whatever reason(draft picks, etc.).
They’re called losers.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
I don’t NEED YOU, if anything YOU NEED ME.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Minority Power!!
February 12th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
It won’t be hard to outdo 4 wins.
Pretty confident we will exceed that, whoever it at QB.
No draft picks killed us last year. Got to restock the shelves with some young legs.
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This league has ALWAYS been about coaching and QBs. Nobody will ever convince me differently. Just look at the Saints struggles without Sean Payton. Brees was still good/great… but they looked horrendous at times.
Hopefully without an abject idiot running the entire offense we can get things straightened out quickly. I LOVED how they hired two veteran guys and gave them both assistant status on offense.
DA had the defense straightened out pretty well by years end, it just took an horrendously long time to do it… so hopefully that end will be fixed next year also.
I don’t get all the gloom and doom here… the NFL is basically a mediocre league from top to bottom anyway by design. It wouldn’t take much to get to 9 wins…
February 12th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
TJ,456, LINK PLEASE…
February 12th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Most of So cal would be owned by Mexicans and Blacks but they passed laws making it illegal for blacks to own land. Because they wanted them to return to slavery. In Harlem they destroyed our own version of Hollywood to force us to go see their lousy movies.
Their isn’t anything in this country that was at the very least helped developed by blacks who were robbed of notoriety. Including the freeing of this country.
No we don’t need you to give us anything just stop taking what we biuld away from us and we’ll be fine………….period
February 12th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Gdog Says:
I do not believe in losing so we can win later.
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Many in here do. There’s a word for people that accept losing for whatever reason(draft picks, etc.).
They’re called losers.
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The only exception I can think of is Indy. But they were a perennial playoff team with a good defense and their HOF QB snapped his neck. Add to that they drafted first in one of the best QB drafts since Eli, Rivers, and Rothy came out.
They hit the lottery.
Most of the rest of the loser teams just continue to keep losing… I see no strategy in losing.
February 12th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Seymour – gone – 14 mill against the cap
McClain – gone – 8 mill against the cap
Brisel – worthless
DHB – worthless- huge cap hit
McClain – bust – ridiculous cap hit
Huff – avg fs making elite money
Branch – avg ss making elite money
Palmer – over the hill and going south quick – making elite money
DA – worst HC in the NFL by a huge stretch
How does keeping and/or restructuring *any* of these loser help this team moving forward? Seriously.
Answer: none. Cut bait, go young and hungry and prepare for the future.
Hopefully with the tarping, the management knows it, and they are making the right moves to get this disaster over with. We need a new QB, new leaders on both sides of the ball and a new stadium deal and that will only happen if we truly clean house. It starts today.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Gdog Says:
I do not believe in losing so we can win later.
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Many in here do. There’s a word for people that accept losing for whatever reason(draft picks, etc.).
They’re called losers.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Tsk tsk
Many in here don’t understand the business part of the team, and they accept overpaying for players for whatever reason.
They’re called: _______
You think CP is worth $13-15 million on a team that has no impact players, and lacks talent at many positions? That’s more than 10% of the salary cap, we have to handle Seymour’s dead money $14 million, and we don’t have cap space.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
“genes don’t mean sh1t. neither does color. that’s hitler talk.”
What a dunce you are. Culture (ie “nurture”) is created by people, and people’s talents, people’s proclivities, people’s weaknesses, etc. are create
by their genes.
Your personality, sir, is a product of your genome. Environmental influences, (blank slateism, as its called) have been shown to be minimal. Identical twin studies where the twins were separated at birth (sample sizes high..US studies, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Denmark, etc.) show that genetic history is factor numero uno.
Don’t believe me. Go search the data for yourself.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
CDERaider Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Seymour – gone – 14 mill against the cap
McClain – gone – 8 mill against the cap
Brisel – worthless
DHB – worthless- huge cap hit
McClain – bust – ridiculous cap hit
Huff – avg fs making elite money
Branch – avg ss making elite money
Palmer – over the hill and going south quick – making elite money
DA – worst HC in the NFL by a huge stretch
How does keeping and/or restructuring *any* of these loser help this team moving forward? Seriously.
Answer: none. Cut bait, go young and hungry and prepare for the future.
Hopefully with the tarping, the management knows it, and they are making the right moves to get this disaster over with. We need a new QB, new leaders on both sides of the ball and a new stadium deal and that will only happen if we truly clean house. It starts today.
>>>>
Good luck in your hopelessness and defeatism.
I doubt Raider management agrees with you.
Thankfully.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
CDERaider Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
If you want to eventually get out of this mess, there’s really no other option at this point, we have players vast majority either not performing or not even playing on the team because of dead money.
I love the Raiders. We belong at the top. I would absorb a losing season this year knowing there’s a legitimate light at the end of the tunnel. I would not absorb a BS season of 5-6 wins with the same old BS players with later cap nonsense in the future. If we can clean the books this year next season we have a chance to do something – being 20 mill under the cap with top picks and a new coaching staff is a hel of alot better than where we sit today.
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The funny thing is, the season before last we were minutes away from a playoff berth and at least appeared to be on the ascension. 8-8 the year before. A lot of young talent. And along comes our best QB in a decade.
I said going into last year that this would’ve been a 10+ win team with Hue and anything less with DA and co would be an absolute failure.
I know everyone wants to blame the talent. Blame Al Davis. Blame Hue Jackson. This is what the media — especially the national guys — are drilling into our heads. But my question is how were we so bad last year when we had a major upgrade at the QB position and had gone 16-16 over the two prior years?
February 12th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Dr._Robert: “genes don’t mean sh1t. neither does color. that’s hitler talk.’
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Oh, one last thing. You hate the race card being played and rightfully so.
Don’t be an idiot again by pulling the equally stupid and ineffective “Hitler card.”
February 12th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
February 12th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
It won’t be hard to outdo 4 wins.
Pretty confident we will exceed that, whoever it at QB.
No draft picks killed us last year. Got to restock the shelves with some young legs.
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Yeah DOG! We are the Raiders!! I’m so fcking sick and tired of this crap of wanting to get to .500 – we aren’t the Browns or the Jags or the Chiefs or whatever for C’s sake! Whatever anyone says the Raiders are something special in professional sports that cannot be denied – we have the best brand in the world!, best fans in the league, the best vibe, the best uniforms, the best legacy and we *cannot* get it right again until we get this sht solved and it’s become very obvious that that time is now! Let’s get rid of the loser players and the loser coach and the loser deal in Oakland. I want to stay in Oakland but our deal is crap and we cannot stand for BS anymore! Its time to make a statement and fcking cut all the BS now! Give me some young hungry mufo’s who want to kill on the field and be tru Raiders – what we have now is a not even a shadow!! We can rise again and make the pssy Niners look like wannabe’s like they are but we have to handle our business first!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
February 12th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
You know Priest, the mark of a skilled debater is the ability to have the other guy come full circle or reverse their position. At the very least, contradict himself.
In your case, however, one just has to get out of your way.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
You came here by choice we didn’t. Everything black people have ever gained was not GIVEN to them. THey EARNED every bit of it and then some.
Stop telling what we need to do, get the heell out of the way and we’ll do it. We always have…period
We didn’t NEED your dumbass to begin with.
I don’t know of any black man that got somewhere becuase white folks made it easy for him. It was the opposite. He had to do twice as much for the same reward.
Everything I have a worked my ass off for, same as every black man I know…….so take that crap some place else.
I don’t NEED YOU, if anything YOU NEED ME.
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Michael Oher?
February 12th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
“No we don’t need you to give us anything just stop taking what we biuld away from us and we’ll be fine………….period”
Mwwwwwwwwaaahhhhhhhhh. Pure bull.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
“genes don’t mean sh1t. neither does color. that’s hitler talk.”
What a dunce you are. Culture (ie “nurture”) is created by people, and people’s talents, people’s proclivities, people’s weaknesses, etc. are create
by their genes.
Your personality, sir, is a product of your genome. Environmental influences, (blank slateism, as its called) have been shown to be minimal. Identical twin studies where the twins were separated at birth (sample sizes high..US studies, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Denmark, etc.) show that genetic history is factor numero uno.
Don’t believe me. Go search the data for yourself.
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genetics mean something but not close to everything. in essence, they mean little, cuz no computer or scientist could ever figure out what a person will be like and so hat if they did?
and it IS hitler talk. trying to say that certain “races” (a fallacy anyway) are superior or pre-ordained for success.
evil is evil.
and btw, me a dunce? hilarious. if u knew me at all, u wouldn’t in ur wildest fantasy, call me that. just fact.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
You came here by choice we didn’t. Everything black people have ever gained was not GIVEN to them. THey EARNED every bit of it and then some.
Stop telling what we need to do, get the heell out of the way and we’ll do it. We always have…period
We didn’t NEED your dumbass to begin with.
I don’t know of any black man that got somewhere becuase white folks made it easy for him. It was the opposite. He had to do twice as much for the same reward.
Everything I have a worked my ass off for, same as every black man I know…….so take that crap some place else.
I don’t NEED YOU, if anything YOU NEED ME.
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Michael Oher?
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kaepernick?
no. whites and blacks working together (and having the latinos do their yardwork and cleaning–just kidding!) is the way.
blacks have definitely given a lot to this country. the arts especially. i love them for that. and they were certainly robbed many times.
but so were whites.
it’s about power and money. not color.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
ok. before some humorless jack azz goes off on the my comment about latinos, it WAS A JOKE! and since my wife is latino, and therefore my kids, ur not getting away with telling me i hate them.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
illuminati….
If you think there is absolutely no truth to it? so be it….
There IS something there.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
illuminati….
If you think there is absolutely no truth to it? so be it….
There IS something there.
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oh yeah.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Reading some of the posts Rob is right Priestt sounds alot like Mystic I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised it he was and Kell also we already kno Mystic is Kirk poor cross posting troll as for Dormer I hope that POS gets smoked by the pigs
February 12th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Im latino and landscaped my whole yard in a new housing development.
Big river rock more than 2 ft deep.
Never thought it was cause I am Mexican, but I did drink alot of corona and cuervo gold in the process.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I don’t think Mistic, Priest, and Kell are the same person.
It’s not hard to find a black man who feels exploited by the system.
Sad truth….
February 12th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Im latino and landscaped my whole yard in a new housing development.
Big river rock more than 2 ft deep.
Never thought it was cause I am Mexican, but I did drink alot of corona and cuervo gold in the process.
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corona is great. i’ve never cared for the other mexican beers. cuervo? used to drink it. i like the higher end stuff these days if i drink tequila, which is kinda rare anymore.
but i love some mexican food. and hot sauce.
and low riders. amazing paint jobs on those cars.
i coach a lot of latino kids. some of the best and easiest to coach i’ve ever had.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I don’t think Mistic, Priest, and Kell are the same person.
It’s not hard to find a black man who feels exploited by the system.
Sad truth….
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perhaps, but tonight they sounded very similar. lots of keywords being used. and kell especially seemed different.
of course, they may be picking up things to say from missdick.
i never found priest or kell to be in the same league of bigotry as missdick.
priest lies a lot though. kell just says a lot of nonsense or doesn’t seem to know exactly what to say half the time.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Reading some of the posts Rob is right Priestt sounds alot like Mystic I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised it he was and Kell also we already kno Mystic is Kirk poor cross posting troll as for Dormer I hope that POS gets smoked by the pigs
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dorner is likely mentally unstable. a sad case. i’m no fan of cops, particularly the azz holes, but he must be stopped.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
Watching the SB – we as true Raider fans know the Browns straight up *stole* the Raiders identity – the Ravens (read: RAIDERS), the black uniforms, the shields, the tough guy criminal identity… And the fruity Niners – fcking juicing like crazy, hitting everybody cheap and late, cheating and getting away with it – you know the sht we invented. LOL
Pisses me off to no end to see them belittle us yet use our tactics and mojo year in year out. I wear the anger. Almost got to punches at a local SD bar watching the game with Whiners and FakeRans fans when they stepped up on me wearing my Raiders jersey. I spoke my mind, called them out – luckily I had enough smack and backup to avoid damage they don’t know sht anyway. I *was* mad, almost depressed, until I realized…
Its only a copy. It’s a fake. It’s the not the real thing. Regardless of the fad-media bashing us and all the bandwagon chumps talking smack – I know and I hope that you, my brethren, know that the Raidaaaaas are the genuine article. We are the fcking Bruce Lee and Steve McQueen of the NFL. We created what is now the modern game, and despite having an incredibly bad run, have the opportunity to be absolutely dominant again because *we* invented what the NFL is today. And when *we* get back, we will again be the most popular brand worldwide! Go to Germany, Spain, Brazil, England – nobody knows who the fckin Ravens are or even gives a sht, they know who the Raiders are though and they know what it means. Badazz.
Let’s get back as soon as possible as take whats ours. Take care of business now, get on with it! Cut bait and rebuild – we deserve a winner and I hope Reggie – a true Raider – knows how important and honorable his task is! Tired of this half azz sht – let’s do what has to be done and start kicking azz again!!
GO RAIDERS!
February 12th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Im latino and landscaped my whole yard in a new housing development.
Big river rock more than 2 ft deep.
Never thought it was cause I am Mexican, but I did drink alot of corona and cuervo gold in the process.
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Lol.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Been to Mexico, only guy on the plane who got the full search amongst 100 whitw people.
Funny thing is that it was Mexicans who stopped me lol
Had no problem coming back into the US with 7 liters of tequila over the limit.
Walked right through.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Either Mistic hijacked Priest’s handle..or has been him all along and merely playing a dual role, the guy playing Priest is not the same Priest i’ve seen on here in the past.
THIS Priest has shown up before but not very often.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
I think priest likes to blog and drink heavily?
Could be the cause of the personality switch?
February 12th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
regarding mexican gardeners, i have mad respect for their skills. it’s fascinating to me. i couldn’t do it.
our current gardener is asian though. and he doesn’t do as good of a job.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
We will definitely compete better this year, but it is about 2014 in reality, REGGIE needs this draft to be a success. And if it were a non cap world the roster would be all new. I honestly think our offense will be exceedingly better and the future is bright, but no playoffs 2013.
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I agree, everything Reggie does this year will be related to what it means for 2014. 2013 is a throw-away season.
(or we are extremely cash-strapped and then it’s all about money…and RIGHT NOW)
February 12th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
February 12th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
“I don’t justify any of his actions, but if you ask me do I understand them and why they happen. I definitely do….’
You gotta be kidding me. There isn’t a person in the field of psychiatry who’s read this guy’s “manifesto” who hasn’t reported he’s the textbook “narcissist.”
All children remember some embarrassing incidents from childhood: the kid who made fun of your glasses; the teacher who scolded you when it was the kid next to you who was doing the talking; the girl you asked to the Christmas dance who said she’d already accepted another invitation. However, the experts report that his manifesto was the sign of a boy who couldn’t accept his “failures,” couldn’t accept the successes of others as he measured them against his own performance and so did what all narcissists do: they see everything around them and everyone around them as “slights” or “those who slight” . This is psychological protection in that it allows the narcissist to pretend his deficiencies are not his fault but the fault of others–people out to get him.
True narcissism is the result of self-loathing and self-doubt. The “other” must be made to be the problem so that the narcissist can escape blame.
^^^^^^^^^
My wife is a psychologist and yes she agrees, Dorner behavior is classic narcissistic behavior with his manifesto and all.
However, in Dorners mind he was wronged by the LAPD’s and the cops “Blue Line”
February 12th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
you missed my point
any team with a person with contracts can find ways to manipulate the so called cap
every year we see across the nfl surprise cuts signings and restructures.
Mike vick is a perfect example, it was sold that he was too costly and couldnt be retained, yet they found a way.
The language in contracts is set up to favor the industry and their ability to manipulate the so called cap
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Incorrect. The reason the Eagles could retain Vick was for the EXACT same reason we will retain Palmer: Vick was awful last year. His play completely regressed. His agent was patiently waiting by the phone listening to it NOT ring.
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Too funny
so you know all of the teams that did or did ot show interest in vick?
How so?
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hahahahaha. You are showing your ignorance. Take an overall number one Q, and lets go over their pay scale. Vick to an extreme cut in pay. There are only two possible reasons for that: lst, there was no interest. Which is the most plausible. 2nd, Vick was as he claimed, “giving back to the home town fans”. Sorry. My Mom went out to dinner with Vick. I know Mike. Sorry. Doesn’t add up. That’s how so.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
DJ, Mistic1 doesn’t need to hijack anything they hijack his name and mine. I got pissed off when this told me to take responsibility for my crappy life or something to that affect.
First of all he assumed a whole lot because I have a great life that I biult myself. No one has ever given me anything. It just irritates me that whites think blacks want them to GIVE them something. Like what can they give us that we want?
Black people have always worked hard and earned whatever they have gained from the time they came to this country by force. WE GAVE THEM for free.
All anyone and I mean any man black white brown yellow wants is his dignity. He deserves what he himself works for with his own hands. No one at leats not myself want anything given to me I have my own house in a great neighborhood mostly white. Own every car I have and have run my own business since I was 26 years old and have had greta experiences throughout my life with all kinds of people of every race.
But for some reason white people think we want something from them. Black people want what the work for just like everyone else….period
They just want equal access as much as anyone wants it. And to be judged fairly as possible. The same as any man on the earth. That is all they want…….period
Whatever YOu have you can keep just stop stealing from others.
February 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Tighter assault rifle bans is not the answer for this country.
They need to start clamping down on hand guns if anything.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Gdog Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
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Good luck in your hopelessness and defeatism.
I doubt Raider management agrees with you.
Thankfully.
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That’s all you got man? Hopelessness and Defeatism is your response?
Give me something to go on. You think those players being restructured is the answer? Elaborate. Show me I’m wrong.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
teams possibly looking for a qb:
minnesota
arizona
nyjets
buffalo
cleveland
jacksonville
kansas city
if we cut palmer, he would, to use rob ryan’s expression, be out of a job for five minutes.
all of those teams, barring jax and cleveland, could reasonably think they are a good qb away from contending.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position. Thats why NE left him go.
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Once again, the ignorance of Raider fan is astounding. Seymour is a 7 time Pro Bowl, 5 time All Pro, lst ballot Hall of Famer, 3 time World Champion. Yet as usual, fans here hate him. He was a ProFootball Focus Mid Year All Pro in 2011. Last year, We were 3-4 with him in the lineup, 1-8 without him. New England won three World Championships with him. They have won ZERO without him. Most New England fans think we fleeced them. Raider fan, once he takes his vomit soaked face out of the toilet, disagrees. I have to go with New England fan on this one.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
DJ, Mistic1 doesn’t need to hijack anything they hijack his name and mine. I got pissed off when this told me to take responsibility for my crappy life or something to that affect.
First of all he assumed a whole lot because I have a great life that I biult myself. No one has ever given me anything. It just irritates me that whites think blacks want them to GIVE them something. Like what can they give us that we want?
Black people have always worked hard and earned whatever they have gained from the time they came to this country by force. WE GAVE THEM for free.
All anyone and I mean any man black white brown yellow wants is his dignity. He deserves what he himself works for with his own hands. No one at leats not myself want anything given to me I have my own house in a great neighborhood mostly white. Own every car I have and have run my own business since I was 26 years old and have had greta experiences throughout my life with all kinds of people of every race.
But for some reason white people think we want something from them. Black people want what the work for just like everyone else….period
They just want equal access as much as anyone wants it. And to be judged fairly as possible. The same as any man on the earth. That is all they want…….period
Whatever YOu have you can keep just stop stealing from others.
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it was all fine and dandy until the end. why do u assume djjohnny or any other white poster is “stealing”? why do u lump all whites together into “the man”?
it’s the same reasoning idiotic white people use to lump u in with gang bangers, killers, and thieves.
what do u have to do with them? i assume nothing.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
We’re probably all making something out of nothing.
If the possibility of Palmer playing well and the Raiders sucking nonetheless, especially with the Knapp hiring,
didn’t occur to the two sides crafting the restructure last year, then Palmers agent is an idiot, as is Reggie. The language should already be there, or at least an understanding.
Palmer’s agent may not have been privy to the Raiders other
contract and cap issues, but if Reggie didn’t foresee the situation he’d be in this year, maybe GM is of more concern than QB.
If you don’t think Palmer played well, that’s another story.
I do.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Tighter assault rifle bans is not the answer for this country.
They need to start clamping down on hand guns if anything.
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Correct and Correct. If someone driving mows down someone drunk, should we ban cars? And the issue is not some idiot going ballistic (pardon the pun) once every few years. It is about guns flowing to the intercity killing kids.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Raider E Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
I think priest likes to blog and drink heavily?
Could be the cause of the personality switch?
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First of all I don’t drink, the troll might be whta you’re referring to but please speak for yourself.
All you guys get fooled by this troll who comes in here. He’s here more than I am by far but tonite I just got irritated by this one guy telling me take responsibility for my own life as if I haven’t.
You guys just see thing the way you see them and we see things the way we see them. Based on lifes experiences.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position. Thats why NE left him go.
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Once again, the ignorance of Raider fan is astounding. Seymour is a 7 time Pro Bowl, 5 time All Pro, lst ballot Hall of Famer, 3 time World Champion. Yet as usual, fans here hate him. He was a ProFootball Focus Mid Year All Pro in 2011. Last year, We were 3-4 with him in the lineup, 1-8 without him. New England won three World Championships with him. They have won ZERO without him. Most New England fans think we fleeced them. Raider fan, once he takes his vomit soaked face out of the toilet, disagrees. I have to go with New England fan on this one.
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it does seem a lot of these guys have no clue about who is good and why and who is not and why.
and it also seems they immediately hate good players and love players with “potential” that never have done anything.
hated;
seymour
kelly
branch
carlisle
palmer
myers
disliked by many:
wheeler
burris
barnes (actually decent)
loved for some reason:
ausberry
moore
pryor
jones
mcclain (unbelievably still has some supporters)
huff
February 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Philadelphia set themselves up nicely with the resigning of Vick, turned the multi-year contract into a one year deal, no cap penalty for any following seasons should he be released, might even garner a compensatory draft pick.
Will Seymour’s void contract status garner us a draft pick in 2014 as Asomugha’s did?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position. Thats why NE left him go.
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Once again, the ignorance of Raider fan is astounding. Seymour is a 7 time Pro Bowl, 5 time All Pro, lst ballot Hall of Famer, 3 time World Champion. Yet as usual, fans here hate him. He was a ProFootball Focus Mid Year All Pro in 2011. Last year, We were 3-4 with him in the lineup, 1-8 without him. New England won three World Championships with him. They have won ZERO without him. Most New England fans think we fleeced them. Raider fan, once he takes his vomit soaked face out of the toilet, disagrees. I have to go with New England fan on this one.
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it does seem a lot of these guys have no clue about who is good and why and who is not and why.
and it also seems they immediately hate good players and love players with “potential” that never have done anything.
hated;
seymour
kelly
branch
carlisle
palmer
myers
disliked by many:
wheeler
burris
barnes (actually decent)
loved for some reason:
ausberry
moore
pryor
jones
mcclain (unbelievably still has some supporters)
huff
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It is amazing isn’t it? Altho I think we got to the bottom of it. Brien posted yesterday that he hates SC Q’s and will not support them. I wrote earlier, there is a word for that. It’s called prejudice.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
I doubt anyone will offer much more than vet min. for Seymour if
he chooses to keep playing, and I’d welcome him back for that.
Unless they don’t think they can afford the roster space.
Can the Raiders void his contract and resign him for whatever, since they had the option to?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Philadelphia set themselves up nicely with the resigning of Vick, turned the multi-year contract into a one year deal, no cap penalty for any following seasons should he be released, might even garner a compensatory draft pick.
Will Seymour’s void contract status garner us a draft pick in 2014 as Asomugha’s did?
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Not unless someone signs him.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
You guys just see thing the way you see them and we see things the way we see them. Based on lifes experiences.
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there u go again. i know lots of blacks who don’t see eye to eye with u. the prez for one.
and saying “you guys”, meaning whites in general is asinine. most white people are not racist. many of them may have some prejudices, but most people do. but most would not ever knowingly hurt a black person. and a ton of white people helped change things in this country in partnership with blacks.
u can’t make blanket statements. how would u like it if i said “you people need to stop stealing and dealing drugs.”?
do black people do these things? sure. do all? no.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
The Seymour trade was a bad trade for both teams, because NE was a playoff team, our Raiders were not.
Al figured we were one great player away, we were far from even a .500 ball club, we were a qb, wr, multiple lbs, ols from being a playoff team.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
As is with the fact that nothing Palmer has done makes me want to continue to think something diferent will happen giving Palmer the keys this year! Thats where we are trying to find a leader not a loser!
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
DR Robert is on constant meltdown these days must have been a recent med change and he is always telling me how I might be unhappy somewhere inside….blah blah anyways I see who is the angry unhappy person now DR?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
It is amazing isn’t it? Altho I think we got to the bottom of it. Brien posted yesterday that he hates SC Q’s and will not support them. I wrote earlier, there is a word for that. It’s called prejudice.
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i saw that. simply mind boggling. but that’s the level of brain power in here. dismissing all usc qb’s cuz of some he thinks weren’t good, as if they were all clones.
what happens when the next brady comes out of usc?
people just lack logic and common sense.
it makes u wonder how they survive walking across the street.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
I doubt anyone will offer much more than vet min. for Seymour if
he chooses to keep playing, and I’d welcome him back for that.
Unless they don’t think they can afford the roster space.
Can the Raiders void his contract and resign him for whatever, since they had the option to?
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seymour will sign with a good team as a rotational DL, and he will be a great addition.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Dick Seymour is an overpaid thug! Another joke move by Al Davis at the end.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Raiderlization Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
As is with the fact that nothing Palmer has done makes me want to continue to think something diferent will happen giving Palmer the keys this year! Thats where we are trying to find a leader not a loser!
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so dumb.
a leader, not a loser?
his team is full of losers. they went 4-12. but he’s won a lot in his lifetime too.
hasn’t done anything? 4l yards and 22 td’s in 14 games with a garbage set of receivers.
simply idiotic.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
raiderlization Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
As is with the fact that nothing Palmer has done makes me want to continue to think something diferent will happen giving Palmer the keys this year! Thats where we are trying to find a leader not a loser!
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Ok great. Nice post. Who do we put in then? The guy that completed 40% of his passes? While their defense was up big and laughing at us? That guy?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Dj I think Mistic did hijack priestt’s handle
February 12th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Have any of you guys seen Velhdeer Q? Maybe McFadden can make the change to Q and FINALLY do SOMETHING.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
beach Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Dick Seymour is an overpaid thug! Another joke move by Al Davis at the end.
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I got $100 says he is a first ballot HOF. Wanna bet?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
DR Robert is on constant meltdown these days must have been a recent med change and he is always telling me how I might be unhappy somewhere inside….blah blah anyways I see who is the angry unhappy person now DR?
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lol. oh yes. the “meltdown” accusation. used as a desperate “cutdown” but with no explanation or meaning. what does it mean? can u tell me?
angry? unhappy? not me kid.
ur the one who claims to be an atheist, but includes 666 in ur handle to try to use a Biblical reference to be “scary”.
if u don’t believe in God, why reference satan?
u seem bitter and u like to act “smarter than believers” and attack them as well. for what? why does it matter if u don’t believe?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
it was all fine and dandy until the end. why do u assume djjohnny or any other white poster is “stealing”? why do u lump all whites together into “the man”?
it’s the same reasoning idiotic white people use to lump u in with gang bangers, killers, and thieves.
what do u have to do with them? i assume nothing.
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Why do you lump one people together? The truth is this country is run by white males those are the facts. I deal in facts black people have been severely victimized in this country and to a certain extent that is still happening.
I just wanted to make it very clear most blakc people I know just want what they earn and work for. To be able to earn a living and take care of their families like everyone else. Sure their is a bad segment like any other segment of the human race. But they way people in this country view blacks is different from everyone else. That is a fact.
WE have done everything we can to bring ourselves out of the lower rung of this society but their exist an element that wants to keep us there. We have had to start our own universities to educate ourselves sports and moviemaking to entertain ourselves. We hav ebeen forced to do everything we can to bring about a true representation of our own being because of the constant lies told about us by those who wish to harm us.
So we don’t want anything from them except to be allowed to be free to do what we ourselves have to creat if YOU don’t want us to be a part of anything YOU do. It’s YOU that first viewed us as subhuman not we ourselves. But whenever we creat something YOU want it. From Jazz to Hip hop and our entire culture is our own. Not saying it’s better than anyone else’s just it’s ours. We can either work together or if you wish work apart.
But we want what we work for………period
In every major City in this country there is a segment downtown culturally specific to reflect each culture except African American. If we try it, it gets blocked. But Asian cultures mexican and almost all of them except African American. Why is that?
We’ve tried to live together with whites browns and every race. But for some reason we get treated different.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
i love the pryor brigade.
they talk about:
running skills
leadership
work ethic
but never say how great of a passer he is.
and he’s a qb. passing being kind of a big deal.
hilarious. it should be the FIRST thing to think about.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
I have said this at least 100 times on this blog. How much do any of you think that Rich Seymour had to do with the development of undrafted Desmond Bryant or Matt Shaughnessy? Do any of you really think those guys just turned out to be good players out of nowhere on their own? Without a lst ballot HOF helping them?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
3-4 early season record – those victories were against Denver, Atlanta, and Baltimore correct?
Oh wait, Pittsburgh w/o Troy, Jacksonville w/o mjd & Gabbert, Kansas City with Quinn as starting qb (in fact our only other win was against Brady Quinn).
Time to slash the roster, I do not want to be Cleveland, Detroit, Jacksonville, Arizona, Buffalo, or any other sub par team anymore!
February 12th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
i love the pryor brigade.
they talk about:
running skills
leadership
work ethic
but never say how great of a passer he is.
and he’s a qb. passing being kind of a big deal.
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Passing is only a big deal in a passing league. Oh right. Carry on…..
February 12th, 2013 at 11:34 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
3-4 early season record – those victories were against Denver, Atlanta, and Baltimore correct?
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I am stating facts. You all can speculate.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Rich had a positive impact on this team 97% of the time up until this last year where pretty much nobody had a positive impact.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
priest–run by white males? u mean the prez?
it’s run by rich people. mostly white. but they don’t care about poor whites either.
most blacks are decent people who just want to live a good life. good for them.
i don’t want u to be part of what i do? i viewed u as subhuman?
u have me confused with someone else. there u go again, lumping all white people together as “the man”. most whites alive today under 50 view u as just another man.
u don’t want me to say what blacks are thinking, but u think u know what whites think?
i said before, that i’m a black man’s best friend, cuz i’m privy to “white thought” and white conversation, but i’m on ur side, as far as wanting u to live well. and i will tell u the truth.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
priest–run by white males? u mean the prez?
it’s run by rich people. mostly white. but they don’t care about poor whites either.
most blacks are decent people who just want to live a good life. good for them.
i don’t want u to be part of what i do? i viewed u as subhuman?
u have me confused with someone else. there u go again, lumping all white people together as “the man”. most whites alive today under 50 view u as just another man.
u don’t want me to say what blacks are thinking, but u think u know what whites think?
i said before, that i’m a black man’s best friend, cuz i’m privy to “white thought” and white conversation, but i’m on ur side, as far as wanting u to live well. and i will tell u the truth.
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I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
1st ballot HOF for Dick Seymour after his Oakland years? No way, never. Poor Tim Brown can’t even get in.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
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i guess u don’t read so well. go get a GED.
simply moronic drivel. ur pointless here.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
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i guess u don’t read so well. go get a GED.
simply moronic drivel. ur pointless here.
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I will let that slide as it is hard to tell jokes from serious idiots here.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
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my clan hood. only a retard could read what i wrote and say something like that. or a plain liar who wants to “start trouble”. maybe ur gold grill is poisoning ur brain. is that what u want to hear?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
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my clan hood. only a retard could read what i wrote and say something like that. or a plain liar who wants to “start trouble”. maybe ur gold grill is poisoning ur brain. is that what u want to hear?
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That too
February 12th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
I didn’t understand a word of that. Your clan hood muffles the sound.
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i guess u don’t read so well. go get a GED.
simply moronic drivel. ur pointless here.
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I will let that slide as it is hard to tell jokes from serious idiots here.
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are u saying u were joking? if u were, then it could be seen as funny. i don’t have problems with jokes, like some.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
besides, my clan outfit doubles as a ghost costume at halloween. it’s also possible to use it for toga parties. and of course a picnic.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Man what makes you think I’m Mistic1 because, we don’t need to speak fr each other I can speak for myslef just fine.
I may sound racist but I’m not I have just had racism beat into by people who hate me because i’m black. We have experienced the same things but I don’t hate anyone race in particular because I realize just how crippling that can be.
I love the entire race of mankind but I’m not blind to how certain people feel about me and my race.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Clearly the only solution is an orgy.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Doc I hate azzhole cops also but Dormer has taken innocent human life like u said he must be stopped.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
In terms of Dorner, I stand by my beliefs. Violence is never the answer to solve a problem. Are there bad cops? Indeed. Killing 4 innocent people to prove a point. Very bad, and he apparently got what he deserved.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Dr._Robert: “and btw, me a dunce? hilarious. if u knew me at all, u wouldn’t in ur wildest fantasy, call me that. just fact.’
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Yes, unless you read deeply and widely on human biodiversity, nature versus nurture, genetics, biology, evolution, and neuroscience…and I can tell from your comments that you surely don’t (and why should you as none of those areas are your field)… you are a dunce on this topic.
A general reading of popular magazines and newspapers by an otherwise bright/educated person will not render knowledge of the research to which I refer. The general populace and even most very educated people not in those fields are still living with the blank slate theories of the post 60s, all of which have been obliterated by decades of research.
February 12th, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Man what makes you think I’m Mistic1 because, we don’t need to speak fr each other I can speak for myslef just fine.
I may sound racist but I’m not I have just had racism beat into by people who hate me because i’m black. We have experienced the same things but I don’t hate anyone race in particular because I realize just how crippling that can be.
I love the entire race of mankind but I’m not blind to how certain people feel about me and my race.
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well i can understand that.
i’m from indiana. northern indiana, south bend, close to chicago, but still indiana. there were clan parties within miles of my home. i went to a mostly white school. but my friends and i were into black music and culture. we dug prince and rick james, and early hip hop. we used to go to south bend parties specifically to hang out with brothers and became lifelong friends with many.
but we got called nig-ger lovers many times. my older brother, in anger, called me that. it was ingrained in many white kids that would otherwise consider themselves good people and would never actually hurt a black person. they just didn’t even understand what it was they even believed in.
many of those people who used to blindly call names cuz their fathers would, have grown up and aren’t like that anymore.
the same people though gay people were “fa-gs’ and weirdos. but they mostly have realized that was wrong too.
people change. the country has changed.
but i don’t blame u for some bitterness.
how old are u btw?
February 12th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RediaR Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Clearly the only solution is an orgy.
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toga! toga! toga!
February 12th, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Come back with better news, Cork. Tell us that the Raiders and the city of Oakland have a deal lined up for a new stadium, or that we picked up a talented free agent. I have heard enough of Seymour. Good night, Raider fans!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:00 am
Seymour was/is a great player, but so was Asomugha; together in their prime we could have dominated defensively, but not by themselves.
Even Brady & Peyton, Flacco and other greats needed, Light, Wayne, Oher to succeed.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Shutdown Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Dr._Robert: “and btw, me a dunce? hilarious. if u knew me at all, u wouldn’t in ur wildest fantasy, call me that. just fact.’
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Yes, unless you read deeply and widely on human biodiversity, nature versus nurture, genetics, biology, evolution, and neuroscience…and I can tell from your comments that you surely don’t (and why should you as none of those areas are your field)… you are a dunce on this topic.
A general reading of popular magazines and newspapers by an otherwise bright/educated person will not render knowledge of the research to which I refer. The general populace and even most very educated people not in those fields are still living with the blank slate theories of the post 60s, all of which have been obliterated by decades of research.
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dude, i probably know a bit more than u think. science is fallible and all of the “predispositions” in the world won’t get rid of free will.
do i have similarities to my parents? of course. i didn’t grow up with my dad but ended up having similar traits. but different ones too.
and our peers and community play a large part in shaping our values.
communities change and evolve. people do.
kingdoms rise and fall. there are simply no superior or inferior people. just superior or inferior constructs.
are black americans fast? some are. maybe a lot comparatively. but there are a lot of slow ones too.
are white people good organizers? some are. some aren’t.
there are simply too many factors too predict.
and u will never “figure it all out”. sometimes smart people are dumb enough to think they can.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:09 am
words to live by:
lynyrd skynyrd’s “simple kind of man”
Mama told me, when I was young
Come sit beside me, my only son
And listen closely, to what I say.
And if you do this
It will help you some sunny day.
Ohh take your time… Don’t live too fast,
Troubles will come, and they will pass.
Go find a woman and you’ll find love,
And don’t forget son,
There is someone up above.
(Chorus)
And be a simple kind of man.
Oh be somethin you’ll love and understand.
Baby be a simple kind of man.
Won’t you do this for me son,
If you can?
Forget your lust for the rich man’s gold
All that you need is in your soul,
And you can do this if you try.
All that I want for you my son,
Is to be satisfied.
(Chorus)
Boy, don’t you worry… you’ll find yourself.
Follow you heart and nothing else.
And you can do this if you try.
All I want for you my son,
Is to be satisfied.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:17 am
Frantz Joseph is one of the founding fathers of the Blog Do Nothing All-star team.
Along with Kellen Heard, Bruce Campbell, Colt Brennan and Taiwan Jones.
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JFB,
you forget to mention Carson Palmer!
(12 wins in the last 3 years)
considering what we’re paying the guy and what we gave Cincy to acquire him, it’s hard to argue we got anything in return.
30 INT’s in 25 games, 9 fumbles (6 lost), 8-17 w/l record
comparison:
JaMarcus Russell: 23 INT’s in 31 games. 9-16 w/l record
yikes!!
February 13th, 2013 at 4:32 am
Unfortunately CP is the best the Raiders have. Bad news is I don’t think there is a FA QB out there that is any better.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:44 am
CDE #436 finally gets it!
it’s a sad state of affairs when Reggie comes in with no cash & no picks … and all these “out of whack” contracts can’t be discarded because we can’t afford the freaking cap hits!
so we’re stuck with the lousy players and forced to have them restructure in order to get under the cap each year.
as each year passes, more of these players will disappear. However – Reggie isn’t helping himself by signing players like Brisiel & Branch to long term deals (puke)
February 13th, 2013 at 4:50 am
Reggie could have just left Carlisle alone at RG. then drafted a guy to play LG or given the job to Parsons
those rookies eventually became Bergstrom (supp pick) & Nix (undrafted).
Hard to imagine the O-Line playing worse with Parsons/Bergs/Nix (pick one) at LG and Carlisle at RG
then as I said last offseason before BigMac tagged Branch … Mike Mitchell should have been the SS last year. bring in a vet to compete. that vet became Curtis Taylor, who had experience with Tarver.
Hard to imagine MM34/Taylor playing worse than TB33 did last year
February 13th, 2013 at 5:30 am
I got $100 says he is a first ballot HOF. Wanna bet?
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First ballot?
I am on that action, he will get in no doubt, but I don’t think he is a first ballot guy.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:38 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
J Hill, Dakota…are you guys in this morning?
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 am
Jesus,
UNLV -3 is a winner, don’t see the O/U on the SDSU/CSU game, but as long as it is under 138, take the over.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:50 am
Reggie could have just left Carlisle alone at RG. then drafted a guy to play LG or given the job to Parsons
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Hindsight is always 20/20. Brisiel was highly coveted by zbs teams and was a top ranked zbs guard in 2011. His contract isn’t very big, and not prohibitve to cut him. There are plenty of zbs teams out there we could trade hime to.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:45 am
Briesel started 16 games for the #1 rushing attack and in two playoff games the year before we signed him.
Could it be, that his play is what average Guard play looks like in the NFL?
Maybe he wasn’t able to keep up with the elite standards of our pass-protecting line.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:48 am
I think Brisel did better towards the end of the year…I could be wrong…but if no one wants him, and we do find someone else, he will be a decent back up…oh goodness, did I just say that?
February 13th, 2013 at 5:50 am
I think Brisiel was a victim of being the only ZBS lineman on the line.
He didn’t play all 16 for Houston though. He broke his leg in early December, finished the game on it, but missed the rest of the season.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:54 am
He played in the playoffs, according to Pro Football reference.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:08 am
30 INT’s in 25 games, 9 fumbles (6 lost), 8-17 w/l record
comparison:
JaMarcus Russell: 23 INT’s in 31 games. 9-16 w/l record
yikes!!
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Ya know, this fascinates me! To some person that has never watched a single game of NFL football, this stat might have profound meaning and credence.
Is that the hope here??
To convert the people that know nothing about the game that CP is as horrible as JaMoney was?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Was anyone as bad as him?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:33 am
Briesel and Bergstrom are both ZBS specialists. Wasted high dollar free agent acquisition and wasted first pick of the new regime. Both of them gotta go. We had the right personnel in place to run the scheme that’s in place for Sparano’s power blocking scheme back in 2011.
Can’t keep changing systems. Stick to a scheme, draft around that scheme, hire and fire coaches if you must but don’t change the scheme. Too much turnover and too many spare parts.
Very glad to wave buh bye to the ZBS, but it took a wasted season to tinker with what actually worked to go realize it. Reggie needs to build some continuity on the lines.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:36 am
ridiculous compare of Jaloser to Carson. Throw out stats if you must, has Jaloser ever sniffed 4K yards? Going by W-L record is very weak. There is no way that by any QB metric you could argue they are in any way similar.
JR was the worst starting QB EVER. Not just the Raiders history, but NFL history.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:40 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:48 am
I think Brisel did better towards the end of the year…I could be wrong…but if no one wants him, and we do find someone else, he will be a decent back up…oh goodness, did I just say that?
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waaay overpaid to be a backup. either dangle him in trade offers but more likely gotta let him go. wash our hands of him. just didn’t work out. looked like a good addition at the time, but a lot has changed. time to turn the page.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 am
“I think Brisel did better towards the end of the year…I could be wrong…but if no one wants him, and we do find someone else, he will be a decent back up…oh goodness, did I just say that?”
He played hurt all year lets see what he can do next year
February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 am
“Reggie could have just left Carlisle alone at RG. then drafted a guy to play LG or given the job to Parsons”
He could have left the offense alone we might have had more fun putting up a 7-9 season than the turd we just flushed!
February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 am
2013 Dead Money
Name Cap
Number
TOTAL $15,521,664
Richard Seymour $13,714,000
Kevin Boss $1,500,000
Joe Barksdale $269,900
Nathan Supar $37,764
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Some names from the past are still costing us money. These guys are boat anchors.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:48 am
http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Raiders&Year=2013
February 13th, 2013 at 6:52 am
I know….Not sure why Rockstar threw that stat out there…but unfortunately, QBs are judged by wins and losses. To me, that needs to be changed but until then, it is what it is! And believe me, Carson is WAAYYYY better than Russell! And that’s not saying much!
February 13th, 2013 at 6:53 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 am
“Reggie could have just left Carlisle alone at RG. then drafted a guy to play LG or given the job to Parsons”
He could have left the offense alone we might have had more fun putting up a 7-9 season than the turd we just flushed!
Did it flush? i still smell the stench sometimes! Here’s hoping for a Drano overhaul! and I believe it started…Knapp who?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:55 am
If I were Palmer I would stick to my guns and force a release….he can then select anywhere in the NFL to close out his career………if he wants to win that wont be oakland……if he wants to stay close to home then he will restructure….for us raider fans its a lose-lose…if we let him go draft picks wasted, big cap hit, no QB….if we keep him we have a qb who really doesnt care about winning……..PALMER HAS US BY THE NADS….I wish I were in his position
February 13th, 2013 at 6:57 am
It’s an agenda. Where the ends justify the means. The conclusion is arrived at through reverse interpolation of whatever fits the theory that Carson Palmer is garbage. Say it enough or throw out ridiculous stats enough and some people buy it hook line and sinker. Does not make the argument right or even sincere. I got no problem with anyone saying, “I hate Carson Palmer, he’s gotta go”. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It’s not right or wrong. Hate Carson for all I care, I won’t get mad or even disagree.
But if you want to argue a position, at least be transparent in your argument.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:00 am
Did it flush? i still smell the stench sometimes! Here’s hoping for a Drano overhaul! and I believe it started…Knapp who?
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Is this to say Reggie backed up the toilet? Let him plunge this mess himself!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:01 am
“Did it flush? i still smell the stench sometimes! Here’s hoping for a Drano overhaul! and I believe it started…Knapp who?”
Yes good point
February 13th, 2013 at 7:01 am
If reggie doesn’t cut Palmer now we’re gonna have a worse problem with his contract next year.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:02 am
Yup, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Some say that if it wasn’t for Palmer, we would have gotten blown out or went 1-15. Some say it was because of him that we went 4-12, or 8 and 17, whatever number that is! It is what it is, but I would never compare him to Russell!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 am
564,
Reggie inherited the worst situation in history according to some…I don’t know if that’s true or not. I’m not a GM and I don’t know exactly how they manage the cap and work it to their advantage or disadvantage so I can’t say for certain if he’s doing everything right or wrong. I’d guess the truth is somewhere in the middle.
At the end of the day, some hits and misses.
It appears his work on getting the cap under control has us headed in a better direction in that regard. I don’t know if it’s something anyone could’ve done or not. Some say an average accountant could’ve done that. I give Reggie more credit than that, but the Seymour decision appears to be a major miscalculation that some are blaming Al for. Al may have started the Seymour experience but Reggie poured salt on the wound. I’m talking the contract stuff.
This yr. he’s got to step it up. Less excuses more action.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Hawaiian Raider,
you are being fair, I respect that. no agenda.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 am
I’m no Reggie apologist, but at this time last year Reggie had a decision on Seymour and it was a tough one. To keep a guy that cost a #1 pick that was at the time still valuable above avg DT, or eat $7.5 million of real & dead money. Hindsight is 2020 and I was puzzled that they kept Seymour. Seemed too rich. But at the time, I was thinking we needed continuity in the defense and a veteran leader. So I had no problem with that contract because we weren’t a 4-12 team back then. We were 8-8 and thinking about the playoffs in 2012. Had Reggie’s plan worked out, no one would be complaining about Seymour. But it is another of many failures that Reggie has to live with. But then again, nobody is perfect and not every contract goes right. It’s easy to throw rocks at Reggie now in retrospect, but that’s not entirely fair.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Reggie is killing the Raiders.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Reggie is killing the Raiders.
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The contracts given out by Al Davis are killing the Raiders.
a decade of bad defense is killing the Raiders
Greg Knapp assisted in killing the Raiders
DMAC contributed to killing the Raiders
J. Russell, D. Hall, R Moss, J Walker,Seymour are/were killing the Raiders
Dennis Allen is killing the Raiders
I can go on and on but I am sure you know Reggie is not solely to blame.
I will give him a few seasons to sort this out.
Dennis Allen I will not be so patient with.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:30 am
Reggie hired Knapp and Allen.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:33 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:30 am
Reggie hired Knapp and Allen.
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Knapp is 1 and done and I don’t think the hiring of our new assistant coach/former head coach was an accident. Dennis will be on a short leash.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Lets see what happens…FA, draft, TC…
Although, no news outta Alameda!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 am
My god! People are crucifying Reggie, Allen, Pryor, etc. based on one season and one game. At least when I say Palmer isn’t the right QB for 2013 i have a 10+ yr resume to back it up. Why does everyone want to build on the personnel that gave us another embarrassing season. What’s wrong with a player overhaul instead of a regime overhaul for once and see what happens?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Knapp was Reggie’s year 1 fall guy.
Allen will be Reggie’s year 2 fall guy.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Reggie is asleep at the wheel.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 am
However, the one move McKenzie didn’t make is coming home to roost. McKenzie opted to keep aging defensive tackle Richard Seymour for one more season. As it turned out, Seymour played only eight games and didn’t have anywhere near the desired impact.
His biggest impact is going to be on this year’s salary cap, with Seymour counting for almost $14 million in so-called “dead money.” Put another way, almost one-eighth of their $121 million salary cap in 2013 is going to come from Seymour’s voided contract.
The Raiders would have been better off absorbing the blow of severing ties with Seymour last season, when it was apparent that they needed to deal with the contracts McKenzie considered out of whack.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Reggie is out of whack.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Reggie is asleep at the wheel.
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Or could it be that he is more secrative than the legendary Al Davis?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Reggie McMumbles should never be mentioned in the same sentence as the legendary Al Davis.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:44 am
577.Whoknows Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:01 am
If reggie doesn’t cut Palmer now we’re gonna have a worse problem with his contract next year.
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His contract is NOT guaranteed. None of it. The cap hit is from the signing bonus. If we keep him this year and cut him next year the dead money hit goes down to 3.68 million. This is not a big problem
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 am
I mean Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon. You realize how pathetic that argument is right? Our best QB in between was gradkowski for gods sake. I swear I’ve never seen another teams fans be so accepting of mediocrity. Percy harbinger is better than any WR we’ve had since rice, and Vikings fans are ok with letting him go because its smart for the money. Not the last WR in the world. It’s the same with Palmer. No one can ever say ” oh man the raiders would have been a dynasty had they not cut Palmer” “they were poised for greatness after 2012″ comon! Get excited for a possible new start jeez!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 am
But the salary (real dollars) he’s due to earn this year is a big problem. That needs to be renegotiated and the cap hit spread out.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 am
fire reggie now…
February 13th, 2013 at 7:48 am
shrek owns the seymour contract…get it through your thick skulls.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:50 am
Ok, sell me on the excitement of Terrel Pryor and a rookie QB fighting it out in training camp for the starting role. How exciting would that be? Knowing that every media outlet in the country is picking you to finish dead last in the division.
Look, if the alternative to Carson Palmer is exciting, then bring it on already. But Pryor/rookie QB plan is not inspiring. If the angle is move on from mediocrity, please don’t push to move off the cliff!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Reggie McMumbles should never be mentioned in the same sentence as the legendary Al Davis.
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No one’s comparing resumes.
Unless you have some inside contacts at Raider HQ’s
none of us know if he is “asleep at the wheel” or wheeling and dealing behind closed doors.
Time will tell.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:53 am
582.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Reggie is killing the Raiders.
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Al Davis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 with the salary cap. 4. Less than a 25% winning percentage. You wanna blame the guy who inherited the mess?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Every media outlet is picking the Raiders to not only finish dead last in the division but to be the 32nd ranked team in the NFL.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:54 am
reggie has been a disaster from the beginning….nepotistic, gb scout still…
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 am
JAC:QB coach: Gabbert would be top guy in draft this year.
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I guess this a lousy year to have a high pick.
Gabbert blows goats.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Al
Bovine Droppings.
You know not of what you speak.
This is a multifaceted problem that took years to create PRIOR TO REGGIE’S ARRIVAL!!!!
Reggie inherited a team $30 million OVER THE CAP.
Seymour was a calculated risk HE HAD TO TAKE GIVEN THE CAP ISSUES, LACK OF DLINE TALENT AND LACK OF PICKS.
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie had to deal with when he took the job.
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $30 million for 2012-nearly three times the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
McKenzie: “Doing this (last off-season) when we have over $30 million dollars over (the cap) with him the way his contract was, no. I did not have the luxury to do anything (last off-season) because of our current situation as it was. I was trying to get under. When you’re trying to get rid of $30 million-plus, it’s hard when you’re trying to bring in more (free agents) to add on to that.”
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 am
i like how the haters only pick years that support their argument…in case you didnt watch last season…avg qbs and wrs blew past reggies “gems” at cb…
February 13th, 2013 at 7:59 am
show me a team that doesnt pay its players charlie this the freakin nfl…you have to pay. Otherwise you get the bartells, spencers, lees, hansons, adams, ross’ of the world and i just bet the opposing wrs are shaking in their cleats…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:00 am
Reggie never said those guys were gems you moron. They were stopgaps on 1 year contracts.
I ‘only’ picked the years with the salary cap because it was a completely different set of rules prior to that, it is a valid segregation of the man’s resume.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:00 am
if reggie cant add he should not be the gm…i wouldnt have him asa scout based on his pickups…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:00 am
Charlie the king of Reggie’s excuses.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Unfortunately your namesake left us in a position where we were unable to pay. So we were left with those options.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Dr Thompson… The king of Al’s excuses.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:03 am
great then change the team name to the “stopgaps.” I doubt they could stop anything including any gaps…we can field a team of 1 year injury prone vets and practice squad players…that will get us under the cap….wont win any games but who cares we’re saving money.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Al Davis doesn’t need any one to make excuses for him.
Al’s legendary career speaks for itself.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 am
i like how the haters only pick years that support their argument…in case you didnt watch last season…avg qbs and wrs blew past reggies “gems” at cb…
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Can’t recall many posters being all that impressed by our DB’s. You pick up scrap like Bartell and Spencer you don’t expect much. They were basically stop gap’s until we have cash in upcoming years.
Bottom line- this is a 5 year rebuild. It is tough to swallow in the meantime but it what it is. Having blind hatred toward Reggie is rediculous. Spread your hate around because there are plenty to blame for this mess and Al being the #1 offender. Truth my friend.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:04 am
not excusing al at all but pointing out that shrek has no business in oakland…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:05 am
I’ve always wondered what it would be like to sell my house, cash out my small equity, buy a cheap singlewide cash and not owe anything. Sucks, but at least I’d be saving money!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:07 am
seriously? dhb is our best reciever…more yacs than any of them…he gets doubled constantly, blocks, takes hits and scores. dbs are 20 yards off, if a qb can actually hit him in stride its over, he always has to slow down for the ball….watch him
man…you will see.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:09 am
In any investment, you have to measure the return on investment as a function of time. As messed up as Reggie’s situation is (blame Al or Reggie for that I dont care) it’s not tenable to say I got 5 years to kill that all the outta whack contracts will be burnt by then. You know that guarantees you squat. That and 5 wasted years you can’t have back unless you are immortal.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:09 am
why? why is it a 5 year rebuild? it was already year two into the rebuild…8-8, two years in…injured qb first year injured rb next year…shrek comesin brings opie and krapp…4-12
February 13th, 2013 at 8:09 am
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:05 am
I’ve always wondered what it would be like to sell my house, cash out my small equity, buy a cheap singlewide cash and not owe anything. Sucks, but at least I’d be saving money!
—————————My wife are going to be doing that exact plan, except upgrading to a “double wide”. I don’t need a fancy house just land to hunt/hike/garden and a clean body of water in front of me to swim/fish/boat.
That is my heaven. If I get that and the Raiders bcome relevent all my prayers would be answered.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:10 am
exactly guest 5 wasted years cant get them back…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Wish they would tarp over this entire season. It’s gonna be ugly again, unless the #3 pick turns into something very special.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:10 am
602.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Every media outlet is picking the Raiders to not only finish dead last in the division but to be the 32nd ranked team in the NFL.
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Sweet, the same experts that said the Chiefs would win the division….where are they picking this year?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:11 am
not excusing al at all but pointing out that shrek has no business in oakland…
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I think that’s fair. Jury still out on Reggie. Al’s resume and Reggie’s resume cant be compared reasonably after just one year.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:11 am
It isn’t blind hate when it is based on results.
Reggie’s results aren’t good.
Reggie will have to hit a couple home runs in this year’s draft to make up for all his whiffs in his first year and based on his pattern of decision making I am not hopeful.
My negative feelings for Reggie are based on his results.
While your positive feelings about Reggie are based on wishful thinking.
Just Win Baby.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:12 am
A 5 year rebuild is not a term used in the modern day NFL.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:09 am
why? why is it a 5 year rebuild? it was already year two into the rebuild…8-8, two years in…injured qb first year injured rb next year…shrek comesin brings opie and krapp…4-12
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I was the biggest Hue supporter around, I always wonder what could have been. Unfortuntely the gang is broken up. I liked Routt,Wimbley, bush. Unfortunetley we have to move on and deal with the hand given to us. Just like I believe Reggie is trying to do. I think he really wants to turn this program around, Some serious bragging rights in NFL circles.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Sure… lets go back to doing it the way that netted us 4 winning seasons since the salary cap was implemented. That sounds like a much better idea.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:16 am
For all you guys that want to blame Reggie…why not blame Mark? Didn’t he ONLY interviewed Reggie and made his choice right then and there? Shouldn’t Mark have done his due diligence and at least interview another candidate? At least Reggie did have a list (ok, supposedly) of potential HC’s that he was or did interview before deciding on DA! Come on guys…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Reggie’s biggest whiff imo was firing Hue. From there, it went downhill. Yes, Hue needed to be censored and humbled. Reggie’s ego was too big to keep Hue and so he crumpled up 2 seasons of upward development and started from scratch. It didn’t have to be so drastic. Just need tweaking.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Also, guys…remember…
We were NOT a Jim Harbaugh away from getting to the AFC Championship game!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:18 am
I agree.
Mark Davis is a DISGRACE.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:18 am
630. I agree, it was one rookie mistake after another with us. From Mark, to Reggie, to DA
February 13th, 2013 at 8:19 am
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Reggie’s biggest whiff imo was firing Hue. From there, it went downhill. Yes, Hue needed to be censored and humbled. Reggie’s ego was too big to keep Hue and so he crumpled up 2 seasons of upward development and started from scratch. It didn’t have to be so drastic. Just need tweaking.
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i like hue and it’s obvious offensively we’re trying to get back to some of the things he implemented but it’s very possible firing hue was davis call, so we can’t blame reggie for this firing without knowing for sure
February 13th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:11 am
It isn’t blind hate when it is based on results.
Reggie’s results aren’t good.
Reggie will have to hit a couple home runs in this year’s draft to make up for all his whiffs in his first year and based on his pattern of decision making I am not hopeful.
My negative feelings for Reggie are based on his results.
While your positive feelings about Reggie are based on wishful thinking.
Just Win Baby.
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1 year for a new GM is not a fair gauge if he is going to be a success or not, ecspeacialy with the mess he was handed. Reggie was handed a 1940 Ford Roadster that hasn’t been driven in 50 years and is expected to just burn rubber and fly out of the gate?
Of course not, It wil ltake time to rebuild that car and get it back to it’s original form- A polished, fast, award winner.
BTW Reg didn’t have a draft pick until #96 last year.
Are you really going to slam the draft?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:20 am
We all assumed that a change from Al Davis ways of business was going to be an improvement just like we thought the Defense was going to be fixed by changing scheme but neither seem to be prepared to take over
February 13th, 2013 at 8:20 am
FWIW, I do blame Mark. No way you hire a guy for a job so important after just 6 hours! Mark needed to assemble a transition team and the hire needed to be discussed at a series of meetings and involve everyone affected. Mark went unilateral, like his father would have. But unlike his father, he just wanted the work of the process to be done quickly. No muss, no fuss. He didn’t do his due diligence with Reggie. I’m not sure even he knew what Reggie’s plan was. Just that he was recommeded by his advisors and their word was good enough for him. That’s not how grown ups who are CEO’s of companies act.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:21 am
@hwnrdr
good point!
Also, can Raider fans really complain that Reggie came with the endorsment of Ron Wolf and John Madden. Raider legends endorsed him to be hired.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Pick 6 Palmer!! I think that fits him. Funny!!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:22 am
Guest, 638…BINGO!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:22 am
637 hits the nail on the head.
Be careful what you wish for.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:23 am
mark has not shown an ability to lead this team…i do question his desire to win right now…he made a huge mistake in hiring reggie. Still
he did tell DA it wasnt good enough but he needs to back up his words.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:25 am
all due respect to Ron Wolf and John Madden, they are not inside the building to know the inner workings of the 2011 Raiders team. What works and what needs to change. It’s passing the buck to just say so-and-so told me to do it. Take some responsiblity and get down in the weeds and see how it’s run before you make executive decisions. But didnt look very interested in the football or business side of it. Just wanted it run itself autopilot style. Here Reggie, handle it.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:26 am
601.bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:53 am
582.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Reggie is killing the Raiders.
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Al Davis had 4 winning seasons out of 17 with the salary cap. 4. Less than a 25% winning percentage. You wanna blame the guy who inherited the mess?
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Past performance of a team should not be the benchmark of analyzing a new GM.
The bad cap situation and no draft picks? Sure.
Reggie is the only “rookie gm’ out of 7 who did worse than what he inherited. Those other 6 took bad teams and made them better. “Rookie” or “never had a gm gig before” did not result in losing more than previous year. These teams didn’t hire “rookie” gm’s so that they could grow into the position and eventually start turning things around over time.
Reggie has plenty to point to that he can use as “reasons” we digressed in 2012, but there were definitely alot of ‘misses’ and mistakes made.
It’s hard to say the team got “better” though in any regard. All we seem to have are reasons (i won’t use word “excuses’ since it gets everybody riled up) why he was prohibited from any real success.
He isn’t a miracle worker. That much is evident.
He’s got all the reasons we sucked. I don’t think he can be judged too harshly for not improving the team but he didn’t do much to say “Whoa…look at what this guy did…it’s amazing…” He does have plenty of ammunition to say “Look at what I had to work with…just look. My hands were tied”.
The switch to the zbs was a bad move, as evidenced by the firing of Knapp and the acknowledgement that it was a mistake, and the switch to the power scheme. That was an unneccessary move and a blunder. Talk about putting salt on the wound of an already tuff situation….that was it.
I’m not of those that say ‘Fire Reggie’ but I expect better things in 2013. If he’s as good as advertised, we should see pro-gression rather than more “re-gression” in 2013. That’s all.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
Palmer: 30 INT’s in 25 games, 9 fumbles (6 lost), 8-17 w/l record
comparison:
JaMarcus Russell: 23 INT’s in 31 games. 9-16 w/l record
yikes!!
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I’m starting to come around. Dump Palmer and let Russell and Pryor compete for #1 QB spot.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:28 am
exactly guest…i really believe that is what happened. Mark wanted to get back to his vacation…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:28 am
I agree, a recommendation is just that…a recommendation! But no ue crying over spilled crap right now! It is what it is. All the Reggie sucks and blah blah blah is not going to get the man fired.
Let’s see what he does year 2!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:30 am
What Reggie does in year 2 will get him fired.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:33 am
I normally would not be on a crusade to defend Big Reg but ignorance brings it out of me.
How many of you can really say before the season started you didn’t like the Briesel signing.? My guess is we were all on board.
Who had a problem with getting rid of a guy who was riding our bench (B. Campbell) for a guy who could at least contibute on speacial teams if not more? Probaly very few had issue with that.
Who had a problem releasing Routt? Almost no one. (I liked him but understood his cap # was rediculous).
Before the season started the D.A. hire didn’t seem to bad, A young motivated coach who would grow with his his new team didn’t seem like a bad idea. It’s not like Cowher and Parcells were beating our door down to coach the team.
The point is before the season started a lot of the moves made sense, Now that the season is done some of the moves don’t look so hot. I couldn’t fault the way most of Reggie’s thinking/moves were played out in the off season last year. Obviously now that the season has played out I have some different opnions ecspeacialy with the hiring of D.A.
As I said before time will tell but he deserves a chance. Just sayin
February 13th, 2013 at 8:34 am
still its not encouraging…his seymour contract, keeping DA (4-12), lack of talent (after jettisoning what little talent there was)…he needs to come up aces in the draft.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:34 am
I see it all the time. People who never had to actually earn money but inherit it are clueless and apathetic once they become owners. It didn’t cost them any sweat off their foreheads so it doesn’t matter to them personally as much. They look at it as bank account with a number and a bunch of zero’s at the end. They never risked their fortune in the hopes of building an even greater fortune. They don’t have the entrepenoural vision. Al Davis had that vision. He was from the mean streets of Brooklyn. Nobody gave him anything. He earned it by force of will. His son collected his life work overnight and is unprepared to build on it.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:35 am
It’s too early to be this depressing. The Ideal situation going into this season would be if CP3 and DHB restructured, cut Kelly, Seymour, Huff, McClain, Brisel. Leaving us around $20 Million to use in FA to bring in an O-Lineman or DB
February 13th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:30 am
What Reggie does in year 2 will get him fired.
Maybe, and you guys will get your wish…but…who will replace him that you think will turn thsi around?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:35 am
I normally would not be on a crusade to defend Big Reg but ignorance brings it out of me.
That is some funny $hit!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Money should’nt be an issue for Palmer. Carson should go to Reggie and tell him to tear up the contract, and he’ll play for vet min. Carson says, “now go get me two guards and a right tackle”. I know it won’t happen, but sure would be cool if it did.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am
i hated the briesel signing from the beginning…but because i knew zbs was a pipe dream…wanted b campbell to stay (with a power blocking scheme), never wanted routt ( he was our best cb, still is better than anything we have), DA (my way or the highway was never a good fit, called that as soon as he hired krapp), None of the moves made sense none of them.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am
650. To a great extent, I was on board with all those moves (though I never fully endorsed DA and still dont). But you know where I lost faith? game 3 and seeing Knapp still not fired. that’s when I had enough of this “continuity phooey”. If they had fired Knapp in season, would have restored the faith.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:38 am
647.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
Palmer: 30 INT’s in 25 games, 9 fumbles (6 lost), 8-17 w/l record
comparison:
JaMarcus Russell: 23 INT’s in 31 games. 9-16 w/l record
yikes!!
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I’m starting to come around. Dump Palmer and let Russell and Pryor compete for #1 QB spot.
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Interesting in that people left out some interesting stat…Russell had 25 fumbles, had 18 Tds and Palmer has 35
February 13th, 2013 at 8:38 am
guest…and thats why i liked that man…he bled silver and black wasnt always right but never stopped trying.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Call me crazy but I think there should be multiple GM candidates interviewed this time around.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:39 am
644.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:25 am
all due respect to Ron Wolf and John Madden, they are not inside the building to know the inner workings of the 2011 Raiders team. What works and what needs to change. It’s passing the buck to just say so-and-so told me to do it. Take some responsiblity and get down in the weeds and see how it’s run before you make executive decisions. But didnt look very interested in the football or business side of it. Just wanted it run itself autopilot style. Here Reggie, handle it.
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True. I know in Chicago, the media and alot of the fans were hoping to “steal” Reggie from GB to be the Bears new GM. There was talk he was coming to Oakland, but excitement on the fans part they were gonna get the next genius GM in Reggie; so he does come with high regard. That’s why so many instinctively say that with the Raiders “it’s gonna take some time..but they’re on the right track”.
It’s a tuff pill to swallow for all of us who’ve been waiting for what seems like forever to get back among the good teams of the league. Seeing other teams have quick turnarounds makes us say “Hey…look at them…why not us?…This is crap”.
When the switch to the zbs happened many were like “Awwww come on. Why would you do that?” and they were right.
It’s just like Mark Davis said about being “pizzed off” about the “regression” and getting in DA’s face on the plane back from Cincy and telling him “It’s not good enough”.
Personally, I think we are gonna surprise everyone this year. Going back to the power scheme that fits the talent level will get us back to 2011 production, and I see the defense continuing the positive trend. They were the 2nd ranked D in the league the last quarter of the season. I don’t see it as a fluke like many here do.
Also, we have the 4th easiest schedule in the league so that can only help our cause.
Let everyone say we’re gonna suck. I’m mixing up the koolaid.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:40 am
The_Judge37 Says:
It’s too early to be this depressing. The Ideal situation going into this season would be if CP3 and DHB restructured…
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We’re probably all making something out of nothing.
If the possibility of Palmer playing well and the Raiders sucking nonetheless, especially with the Knapp hiring,
didn’t occur to the two sides crafting the restructure last year, then Palmers agent is an idiot, as is Reggie. The language should already be there, or at least an understanding.
Palmer’s agent may not have been privy to the Raiders other
contract and cap issues, but if Reggie didn’t foresee the situation he’d be in this year, maybe GM is of more concern than QB.
If you don’t think Palmer played well, that’s another story.
I do.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:40 am
And a lot of those fumbles were self induced. Never seen a Qb fumble by hearing footsteps…never!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:43 am
650,
Interesting that the bronco message boards were all upset about DA coming to Oakland…not happy at all. They really thought he was gonna turn it around here.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am
i hated the briesel signing from the beginning…but because i knew zbs was a pipe dream…wanted b campbell to stay (with a power blocking scheme), never wanted routt ( he was our best cb, still is better than anything we have), DA (my way or the highway was never a good fit, called that as soon as he hired krapp), None of the moves made sense none of them.
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OK, So let’s pretend you were general manager last year. What moves would have made sense to you?
How would you have went about making your team for the 2012 season while staying within the salary cap and also trying to look ahead to keep building in the future while stopping the “out of whack contracts”?
We agree on keeping Hue but what else would you do?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Wow, I just got post 666, hope that’s not a sign lol
February 13th, 2013 at 8:45 am
665.DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:43 am
650,
Interesting that the bronco message boards were all upset about DA coming to Oakland…not happy at all. They really thought he was gonna turn it around here.
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Donkey fans were scared of a Raiders team with out dysfunction.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Wow, I just got post 666, hope that’s not a sign lol
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Jesus has your back Bush.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:47 am
as a gm work the numbers…if you lose a guy replace him with talent yes you have to pay but not as much…why would you take a chance on 2 injury prone cbs? why? Zbs? its beend dine here before…dmac sucked at it…why try again? work the dayvm numbers reggie, every other team does it but shrek cant?
February 13th, 2013 at 8:47 am
I like Palmer and think he played pretty well for a guy who had no run game/ protection. However I’m in favor of a two qb aproach. We should be running a spred with all the raw speed and talent we have on the offensive side of the ball.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:47 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Wow, I just got post 666, hope that’s not a sign lol
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Jesus has your back Bush.
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cool
February 13th, 2013 at 8:48 am
al had a revolving door at cbs…he had dvd and chekwa in line for the next few years but no shrek banishes one to practice squad and dvd to steelers (he is going to be good)…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:49 am
This doesn’t have to be a throw away year of cap saving. Make one great splash in FA, Get two starters out of this year’s draft class and lock DA in a trunk in July and we could contend for the Division.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:50 am
I would have liked to see more Checkwa last year, Not sure what that was all about.
Adams has hope.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Al is theraiders is the smartest human being that has ever walked the face of the earth.
He should be hired when Shrek is fired.
Just Win Baby.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:51 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:49 am
This doesn’t have to be a throw away year of cap saving. Make one great splash in FA, Get two starters out of this year’s draft class and lock DA in a trunk in July and we could contend for the Division.
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agreed!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:51 am
DvD will be good if he ever learns to play the ball. I think Checkwa would have faired better last season than Huff. I love the way Adams plays the ball.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:51 am
671.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:47 am
as a gm work the numbers…if you lose a guy replace him with talent yes you have to pay but not as much…why would you take a chance on 2 injury prone cbs? why? Zbs? its beend dine here before…dmac sucked at it…why try again? work the dayvm numbers reggie, every other team does it but shrek cant?
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He also signed Patt Lee, who had played pretty well for the Packers when C. Woodson went down. So going into camp he had Spencer, Bartell, Lee, Hansen, DVD and Chekwa to fill three 3 spots…
February 13th, 2013 at 8:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
I agree, a recommendation is just that…a recommendation! But no ue crying over spilled crap right now! It is what it is. All the Reggie sucks and blah blah blah is not going to get the man fired.
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Wait. You mean we have no influence? Palmer IS our starting QB? Well, that’s not going to sit well with some here.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:53 am
I would like to see Mark Davis gone much quicker than Reg.
I’ll take an owner that gives a sh1t about football and has some passion for the sport.
Just not a meddlesome owner like Jerry Jones.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Shrek will have to overpay to get any significant free agents to join Shrek’s sinking ship.
Shrek don’t overpay.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:56 am
Reggie is the only “rookie gm’ out of 7 who did worse than what he inherited. Those other 6 took bad teams and made them better. “Rookie” or “never had a gm gig before” did not result in losing more than previous year. These teams didn’t hire “rookie” gm’s so that they could grow into the position and eventually start turning things around over time.
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False. The Titans Rookie GM in 2012 did not improve his team. They were 9-7 in 2011, 6-10 in 2012… this is also the same time that 3 years ago had the best record in the AFC at 13-3
None of the 5 rookie GMs in 2012 inherited at team that was 30 million OVER the cap, in fact 3 of the 5 were in the top 5 for MOST available cap space (Colts, Vikings, Titans) and none of those teams first draft pick was 97th overall, again 3 of those teams with rookie GMs picked in the top 4 of the draft (STL obviously traded down, stacking picks. They accumulated more picks for the RG3 trade than we had in the 2012 draft)
February 13th, 2013 at 8:58 am
You are just pi$$ed because the Fakers are in worse shape than the Raiders.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:59 am
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 am
650. To a great extent, I was on board with all those moves (though I never fully endorsed DA and still dont). But you know where I lost faith? game 3 and seeing Knapp still not fired. that’s when I had enough of this “continuity phooey”. If they had fired Knapp in season, would have restored the faith.
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I agree that not firing Knapp earlier was likely a pig headed pride move on Reg’s part. It wasn’t quite enough for me to write him off though. I personally did not buy into the “just have patience the ZBS will work its self out” B.S. Although maybe Reg did believe what he was saying. Even though we can all clearly see it didn’t work out.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Go Celtics!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 am
Who are you referring too?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 am
AL AND DR AND DJ
There has NEVER BEEN A SITUATION AS DISASTROUS UNDER THE CAP IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL THAN THE RAIDERS OF 2012.
You can not make comparisons.This is uncharted.
You have to pay for REAL NFL players, not pretenders.
That has been the problem with the RAIDERS along with terrible drafting.
Grossly overpaying for average to poor performance.
OAKLAND WAS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NFL because we were doling out millions to average players or guys that were WAY PAST THEIR PRIME.
No playoffs in the last decade WITH 7 DIFFERENT STAFFS.
9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT STAFFS LOSING BY AN AVERAGE SCORE OF 30-13.
WE LACK PLAYER TALENT.
TEN YEARS OF MISMANAGEMENT DO NOT GET FIXED IN ONE!
We are in year two of a 3-5 year rebuilding project.
NOT EXCUSES. JUST REALITY.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:03 am
I agree that not firing Knapp earlier was likely a pig headed pride move on Reg’s part.
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Nah you’re putting DA’s words into Reggie’ mouth.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:04 am
OAKLAND WAS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NFL because we were doling out millions to average players or guys that were WAY PAST THEIR PRIME.
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I beg to differ. Oakland had consecutive 8-8 seasons prior to Reggie. They only became a LAUGHING STOCK after Reggie came on board.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:06 am
349.Priesttj12 Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
The origin or the LAPD goes all the way back to the “Night Riders” of the south. They came to So. Calif. to bring back the slaves or force them back to so states. Those same principles remain in that institution down there.
The slaves when frreed went west to So Cal to biuld there own new found lives have land and biuld their own communities but they wouldn’t have it. The “Night Riders” became the Police Dept. in So. Cal. Nothing has changed since those days………period
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The LAPD has a history of corruption.
Yes, that is true.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Nobody said the Raiders GM gig was an easy job. If all you can show for your work after pinning 4 more losses to the previous year is, “man, you don’t know how tough this job is! it’s hard!”, then maybe youre not the right man for the job. Excuses don’t pay the rent. tough job? get someone tough enough and smart enough to handle it.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:08 am
690.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:04 am
OAKLAND WAS THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE NFL because we were doling out millions to average players or guys that were WAY PAST THEIR PRIME.
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I beg to differ. Oakland had consecutive 8-8 seasons prior to Reggie. They only became a LAUGHING STOCK after Reggie came on board.
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Guaranteed Raiders would have won more games this year if Hue was still the HC and if he hired his own DC.
Davis and McK screwed up by getting rid of Hue for dumb reasons.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:08 am
NOT EXCUSES. JUST REALITY.
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NOPE, just excuses.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:09 am
dvd to steelers (he is going to be good)…
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So good that he was only even activated by the Steelers for 9 out of 16 games (they have a weak secondary too) and had 1 tackle and 2 assists.
Bruce Campbell was so good he was only active for 4 games for the Panthers… and that was after 3 tackles were injured.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:09 am
693. Bravo! agree 100%
February 13th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DA was allowed to hire his own staff, and implement his schemes. I don’t think you can put that on Reggie. The only thing I think you can blame him for is hiring DA. At the enterview. Reggie should have said, ” what do you mean you want to switch a top 10 offesive team, get the f out of here.”
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 am
I beg to differ. Oakland had consecutive 8-8 seasons prior to Reggie. They only became a LAUGHING STOCK after Reggie came on board.
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The Raiders have had 4 winning seasons since the cap was implemented. We had 6 consecutive seasons with at least 11 loses… you think we JUST became the laughing stock?
That is on par for one of the most delusional things I have ever heard in here. I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Yes but….
Reggie gave DA that hiring authority. It’s back on him. Sorry.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Charlie, Reggie has made it WORSE.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Raiderfankirk Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:10 am
DA was allowed to hire his own staff, and implement his schemes. I don’t think you can put that on Reggie. The only thing I think you can blame him for is hiring DA. At the enterview. Reggie should have said, ” what do you mean you want to switch a top 10 offesive team, get the f out of here.”
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Yep, I agree with that.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:17 am
I sincerely hope you were being sarcastic.
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No, I realize the Raiders haven’t been successful in ages, but Hue had this team trending toward being a playoff team. It was always something though. They had the right guy in Marshall and replace him with Bresnahan. They had the right combination of Hue & Al S and replace him with Knapp. It’s like the car trunk that wont shut without the hood opening and then you go to shut the hood and the trunk opens.
But I really felt and you can look at the vibe of the posts in here the last couple of years that the LAUGHING STOCK phase of our history timeline was behind us. Finally. Just needed a little luck.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:17 am
What really gets me about DA is his enterview after the season. ” we’re gonna consentrate on doing what our players do well.”Uh…don’t you think thats what you should have done from the beginning? Before destroying an o-line that was pretty good. Where is Heyer? Bring his big ugly azz back.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:18 am
he was better than anyone we have tge squad right now…needs to turn his head but was always in position…ross is a tough dude but he got torched by san diego over and over…not sure if its a speed or technique thing…
February 13th, 2013 at 9:19 am
703…there you go…heyer is needed here.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:20 am
703. translation: we tinkered around with some book theories and used the 2013 season as R&D. Oops, we were wrong. The guys they fired to make way for us were right!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:22 am
697.raiderfankirk Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:10 am
The only thing I think you can blame him for is hiring DA. At the enterview. Reggie should have said, ” what do you mean you want to switch a top 10 offesive team, get the f out of here.”
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EXACTLY!
McK didn’t do all of his homework. Seems like he was just focused on getting a yes man deer in headlights rookie head coach who will deal with the rebuild and he just focused on cap situation.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:23 am
You are correct we were 8-8 in 2011.
Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar/TP at QB?
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8. In addition Carson cost us a second round pick in 2013.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
Throw on top of this mess the injury experience we had and no one should be surprised we declined this year.
Yes 8-8 was very misleading 2011. THE MOST EXPENSIVE 8-8 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!!
Perhaps you understand why I say this is a 3-5 year project.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 am
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:25 am
You guys have it backwards.
Reggie forced the ZBS on Dennis Allen.
Not the other way around.
It is common knowledge.
Allen wanted to implement the spread based on the talent but REGGIE wanted the ZBS.
Reggie has always planned to implement the ZBS if he ever landed a GM job because it was supposed to be GM friendly system for a GM with an eye for talent.
That is the only reason Allen wasn’t fired because destroying the offense was on Reggie and he would lose what little credibility he has left if he tried to blame it on Allen.
It is on Reggie.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:26 am
An offense that stays on the field makes a defense alot better. For years and years everyone said we got to play zone. How did that work out? The top D’s in the league play man now. When our D played better at the end of the year we played man man/blitz. With an o pounding the ball staying on the field I beleive we could have been competitive last season with the roster as it was. Hue’s O and we would have been in the playoffs.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:27 am
But I really felt and you can look at the vibe of the posts in here the last couple of years that the LAUGHING STOCK phase of our history timeline was behind us. Finally. Just needed a little luck.
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In 2010 we were the first team to sweep our division and not make the playoffs… people were still laughing.
In 2011 we were massacred in 5 of our last 6 games. People were still laughing… same old ‘Faiders’. Most penalized team in HISTORY.
The laughing never stop, our hope just grew loud enough to drown it out. It also drowned out the reality those teams were mediocre teams that were never going to grow past 8-8, and were hiding some serious flaws, like a woeful lack of depth at every position on the team, and a crippling salary cap problem that was pushed off til next year so often that the only way to fix it was to do what Reggie did. Cut as many guys as you can, and hope that with the trash heap scraps you can scrape together enough of a team to at least sell some tickets.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:23 am
You are correct we were 8-8 in 2011.
Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar/TP at QB?
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8. In addition Carson cost us a second round pick in 2013.
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Yeah like that 2nd rounder this year would have been more valuable than a QB like CP.
Sheesh
February 13th, 2013 at 9:27 am
We (Yes I am a Raider fan as I think most of you are)
have been a joke for a decade.
No one values the contributions that Mr. Davis made to the Raiders and the NFL/AFL more than me.
The reality says that the last ten years either he and/or his trusted advisors were unable to compete at the NFL level. The won loss record says it all.
The cap issues and lack of picks we inherited last year are real.
Not figments of anyone’s imagination.
That reality means we are in the second year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
No emotion. Just cold clinical objectivity.
No immediate gratification in sight.
Just hard work from a man (Reggie) highly respected in the NFL
(and also by Madden who helped interviewed him and Wolf who recommended him.)
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
“Vic Tafur, the Raiders beat writer for the San Francisco Chronicle sat down with Madden today and the great one shared his opinion on Dennis Allen’s first year as the head coach of the Raiders. While Madden did not go into great detail, breaking down how Allen’s first season went, what he did say was very telling. Basically, Madden stated that Allen was coaching a team that simply did not have enough talent on it to do much better than the 4-12 record the first year head coach put up.
Now, it is no surprise to hear that the Raiders lacked talent this past season, anyone who watched the games could see it. What is interesting about Madden’s comments is that he did not think there was much hope for the Raiders to have fared better than they did in 2012. That seems to go along with what a lot of people are saying, that Allen should get a pass on his first season because he had so little talent to work with.”
“He’s got a ways to go. He was playing the game without a full deck. To be honest, they don’t have enough players. The cupboard was pretty bare. It would have been tough to do much more than what they did.
“If he’s going to do well, they gotta get a lot more … some teams need a quarterback or a running back, or a pass rusher … The Raiders need a whole barrel of guys.”-madden
February 13th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
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Really? SLASH AND BURN (in bold caps for effect)
What changed in 2012?
We cut Routt, let Bush and Kam Wimbley go…was there any other significant cuts/changes made to that 8-8 team? Do you want to count Kevin Boss? And were any of these guys individually or even collectively responsible for a 4-12 season?
What other big change happened last year? I’l put in bold caps: THE COACHING.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 am
If Reggie were to make just one big $$$ FA splash this year, who do you think it should be on?
I think Dashon Goldson, He and Branch could be good together.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Charlie, there is no such thing as a five year rebuild in the modern NFL.
Just look at the average players length of career.
Do the math.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Judge how about Dwayne Bowe ? Goldson would be nice tho
February 13th, 2013 at 9:33 am
712. People always are gonna hate the Raiders. That’s assumed and goes with the territory. You have to have thick skin to be a Raider fan. I’m not interested anyway in what most of them think. But I do know this. We were not “LAUGHING STOCKS” in the media or on other teams sites fan pages till recently. We are now back to “bed and breakfast” status. Dismissed with little or no commentary, “Raiders? They suck. Move on”. We aren’t even interesting enough to hate anymore.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:34 am
We cut Routt, let Bush and Kam Wimbley go…was there any other significant cuts/changes made to that 8-8 team? Do you want to count Kevin Boss? And were any of these guys individually or even collectively responsible for a 4-12 season?
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We turned over 42% of our roster from 11-12.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:35 am
715. EXACTLY ,and where does Reggie say he wants to run zbs?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:35 am
If Reggie were to make just one big $$$ FA splash this year, who do you think it should be on?
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I hope he brings in Greg Jennings. We need a legit #1 WR and we are fooling ourselves with the development of a bunch of scrappy younguns.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:35 am
NO GUEST
You are completely ignoring injuries!!!!!
Ford, Moore,DMAC,Goodson,Barnes,Brisiel,Branch etc etc.
The cap issues and lack of picks made us take risks with guys like Seymour and Spencer and Bartell.
Build your core through the draft especially on the line of scrimmage.
In the meantime you can use a free agent here and there to buy time till you draft the right guy or let the right guy develop.
Once in a long while will you get a free agent that is a big difference maker (Gannon) and that usually happens when the team releasing the player has a perceived surplus of talent at the position (Grbac). Again, that will only happen when the rest of the base (Oline) is in place.
As a rule free agents are “free” for a reason (injury history, attitude issues, high salary demands etc.) and rarely if ever produce up to their contracts.
On a percentage basis, young hungry rookies with the salary cap in place are much better values.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:36 am
718. I’ve never been too impressed with Bowe, I’d rather have Jennings but I think a better system will help our current WR’s.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:38 am
711…best comment in here in a long while…it was sad to see our cbs 20 yards off in zone coverage…
February 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Like I said. You are deluding yourself. Scraping our way to back to back 8-8 years did not stop the last decade of laughing. I live outside the Raiders market, so maybe it is different in Cali, but believe me nothing changed. We were predicted to be the worst team in the NFL in 2012 BEFORE DA changed us to the zbs, or signed Brisiel or any of the other ridiculous ideas I read on here. Anyone with half a brain knew that this tenuous house of cards was going to collapse under the weight of 0 depth, 20 mill salary cap deficit, and 5 draft picks AFTER the 3rd round.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Dr.
You keep trying to compare us to other franchises.
You can not do that.
No franchise during the cap era has been mismanaged as badly as the Raiders.
The cap issues are unprecedented. On top of that a lack of roster talent overpaying for drones like Routt and McClain.
Then strip your team of draft picks.
NEVER HAS HAPPENED BEFORE.
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
February 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am
42% is misleading. Starters? On O it was 2 linemen and Te. On D it was 2cb and 2lb’s.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Ive always like Bowe since his days at LSU big strong and physical but if we got Jennings instead that would be great our WRS can be good but only if we can run the football if not they will get exposed like last year
February 13th, 2013 at 9:43 am
I’ve only really watched Bowe when he’s played against us, not impressed. He reminds me of Braylon Edwards.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:44 am
Hindsight…is really nice. Loved if we just resigned Satele, kept wiz and savage at guards.
DAMN YOU KNAPP!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:45 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000138666/article/offseason-forecast-oakland-raiders
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what could we get for dmac, and would you do it in a contract year?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:45 am
720…42% roster turnover the result 4-12 and yet you still support shrek? wtf?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Uh… in the uncapped year did’nt the Cowboys and Redskins spend the most?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:47 am
You guys are still AL Davis mode YOU DONT high dollar free-agent of Seymour work out for us what we get one good year maybe two and what it cost us 25 million a lot you guys are stuck on stupid so Reggie KEEP Richard around another year. Palmer will redo his contract you guys have to realize that were trying to build a new stadium close off part of the Colosseum to make raider tickets harder to get so they would be in more demand so in the new stadiums done the be more people wanting tickets Raiders football will get very expensive in three or four years so you guys that have tickets now save your money you’re going to need it
February 13th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Raiderfan
No. The Raiders spent the most.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:48 am
now you want to get rid if dmac? dude might as well not even field a team…we will save money…
February 13th, 2013 at 9:48 am
728.raiderfankirk Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:39 am
42% is misleading. Starters? On O it was 2 linemen and Te. On D it was 2cb and 2lb’s.
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There wasn’t a single CB on our 2012 roster that was on our 2011 roster (until late December when Chekwa was activated)
Only 2 LBs? 2 out of 3, with the 3rd being replaced for the final 6 weeks
Sure, on 2 ‘new’ lineman, but 4 of the 5 were playing different positions. ONLY Veldheer was in the same position.
Our starting WR’s changed almost every single week. I actually don’t think we had consecutive weeks with the same 2 start WR’s… not that it mattered much, as our entire WR core is a group of 3rd and 4th WR’s compared to most of the NFL.
How many injuries were suffered to our team? Did our 11 offensive and 11 defensive starters start all 16 games? How can you say the depth positions don’t matter?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:49 am
717.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Charlie, there is no such thing as a five year rebuild in the modern NFL.
Just look at the average players length of career.
Do the math.
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I know. 5 year rebuild. Give me a break.
Tell that to the Colts last year with a superstar QB going down and a new head coach, OC and staff.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:49 am
i will say it again…reggie owns the seymour contract.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Al
What don’t you get about no money, no picks an old overpaid roster and injuries?????????
We turned over 27 players off of the 2011 team for a variety of reasons.
Do you think Reggie just snaps his fingers and finds All Pros packing out at WalMart???
Please see my prior posts for a reality check.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:51 am
734.raiderfankirk Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Uh… in the uncapped year did’nt the Cowboys and Redskins spend the most?
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No, they just manipulated contracts by giving out obscene salaries in an uncapped year instead of giving bonuses which count down the road. We did too, with DHB, which is why DHB had literally the highest salary in the NFL in 2010 at 22 mill.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Like I said. You are deluding yourself. Scraping our way to back to back 8-8 years did not stop the last decade of laughing. I live outside the Raiders market, so maybe it is different in Cali, but believe me nothing changed. We were predicted to be the worst team in the NFL in 2012 BEFORE DA changed us to the zbs, or signed Brisiel or any of the other ridiculous ideas I read on here. Anyone with half a brain knew that this tenuous house of cards was going to collapse under the weight of 0 depth, 20 mill salary cap deficit, and 5 draft picks AFTER the 3rd round.
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I too live outside the California market down here in Florida. I’m thinking DA didn’t announce the switch to the ZBS until about this time last year. I don’t remember too many media outlets already predicting 2012 standings prior to the combine and free agency. That’s a huge leap. I don’t think there are many seasonal predictions for the 2013 season right now. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Too much can happen in the draft and free agency to change the opinion of the groupthink media.
I remember the predictions from last year. It was all over the place. Denver usually showed up at the top, but the Raiders were always in the mix. And I don’t think the prognosticators are that sophisticated to have taken into account DA’s switch to the ZBS. JMO
February 13th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:34 am
We cut Routt, let Bush and Kam Wimbley go…was there any other significant cuts/changes made to that 8-8 team? Do you want to count Kevin Boss? And were any of these guys individually or even collectively responsible for a 4-12 season?
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We turned over 42% of our roster from 11-12.
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You guys quote this figure like we were forced to turnover so many players. Bottom line, there were only 2-3 players that our hand was forced on, and not one of those players is much of a difference maker. The only one I’ll give you is Wimbley but he’s not a 4 game loss.
Look, it is what it is and we have to move on, but quit spinning the facts already. 42% turnover mostly BY CHOICE
February 13th, 2013 at 9:54 am
2010 nfl salaries 178.2 skins, 166.5 boys, 145 saints, 143.3 vikes, 138.8 hawks, 135.7 jets, 135.3 pack,and 135.2 Raiders. Found it on 9/11/10 pft article.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Al
It looks like you can only handle one variable at a time.
The Seymour RETSRUCTURE IS WHAT REGGIE HAD TO DO GIVEN A HORRIBLE CONTRACT PROVIDED TO AN OVER THE HILL INJURY PRONE PLAYER BY MR DAVIS.
The restructure was done in the context of lack of Dline talent, a lack of picks and being $30 million over the cap!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Tell that to the Colts last year with a superstar QB going down and a new head coach, OC and staff.
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The Colts? They are a perenial 10+ win team, lost their QB and had NO viable backup, replaced him, and were a 10 win team again. This isn’t rocket science. MOST people knew that the colts were at least an 8 win team if they had even just a mediocre QB in 2011. Not to mention starting the year with the 3rd most cap space available (over 15 mil) and the #1 overal pick does wonders for a reload.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:54 am
We really need to get back to running the ball successfully in 2013. That will open up play action and everything else vertically. Our offense is built off the ground game watching us trying to run the ball last year in the ZBS was just flat out sickening.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:55 am
charlie what do you not understand? the team had talent already, contracts can be renegotiated (it takes imagination, reggie doesnt have it), reggie himself saud he was a personnel guy, if thats true than al was a personnel genius. what exactly has you so thrilled about reggie? his genius db pickups? his great oline signings? his innovative coaching hires? maybe the new carpet?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 am
I too live outside the California market down here in Florida. I’m thinking DA didn’t announce the switch to the ZBS until about this time last year. I don’t remember too many media outlets already predicting 2012 standings prior to the combine and free agency. That’s a huge leap. I don’t think there are many seasonal predictions for the 2013 season right now. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. Too much can happen in the draft and free agency to change the opinion of the groupthink media.
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So someone in here literally didn’t see we are predicted to be the #32 team in the NFL in the last 200 comments????
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 am
charlie that sounds like a great excuse…its reggies contract.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Raiderfan
That is too long ago. Your source was speculating on the value of contracts ie. performance incentives, guarantees etc.
My article was produced in 2012, after the values had actually been established and paid.
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
February 13th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Charlie and Bcz
I appreaciate your posts. While there are others that understand the issues the Raiders are facing sometimes I just want to throw my computer against the wall listening to some of the posts like from Mistic or Al the Al Davis Apologist.
Love the Raiders been a fan litterally since I can remember as a little boy in 1965. Heck I was born in the same town and same year as the Raides hence my screen name but we are in some deep crap right now. If we get lucky with under the radar FA signings and our draft picks we can compete if we stay healthy but our roster has been severly compromised for AD’s super bowl run of 2010 – 2011 which only ended up with 8-8 seasons with extremly undiciplined teams.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Nothing will matter, if PICK-6 Palmer is our QB next season!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Injuries? Every team’s got em.
Overall player turnover? (42% or something?) ditto.
Was the turnover significant in comparison to other teams? Don’t know, but I guess that it was not.
Significant or key player turnover lost to free agency or cut? Again, nothing earth shattering.
Coaching and Management: Huge changes and not for the better. I have to deduce this based on not being convinced any of the above could have impacted a 8-8 team to go 4-12. again just my opinion.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Lol, Reggie could have been done with Seymour last year. He owns that decision to keep him and push that problem to this year.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:59 am
the team had talent already, contracts can be renegotiated (it takes imagination, reggie doesnt have it),
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Show me an example of a winning team successfully manipulating the salary cap year after year. You can’t, because it doesn’t exist. The Raiders are the ONLY TEAM that has continuously manipulated the cap year after year. Al was the King of it… except it NEVER TRANSLATED TO WINS!
We had 4 winning seasons with the salary cap (the very first year there was a salary cap, and Gruden/Calahan 3 years)
February 13th, 2013 at 9:59 am
1- Star: best DT prospect since Suh, he has great size, excellent burst, and a good motor.
2- D Moore: he had a great year in the SEC and he is 20 YO, but he is not a great athlete.
3- Trade Down which is my 1st option, but I doubt it will happen.
Not sold on other players including Joeckel as top 3 picks.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Man do I miss Al.Bottom lip is a disgrace and has made a mess of this team already.Say what you want,but at least Al new how to get around the cap year after year and made it least watchable.Fk this.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 am
So someone in here literally didn’t see we are predicted to be the #32 team in the NFL in the last 200 comments????
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Really, no I didn’t see that. Unless unknown bloggers opinions count.
source? link?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Overall player turnover? (42% or something?) ditto.
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Only STL had a higher ratio of player turnover, the average is about half of ours.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Hue had to deal with more adversity in his 1st year as HC than DA will ever have to deal with and Hue still has this team a game from playoffs.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 am
2012 – year of the excuses
2013 – don’t know but we’re already getting peppered with excuses so I’m guessing more of the same
February 13th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Palmer is not going anywhere.Anybody who thinks we would be better off is just a goofy bstrd.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Al
It looks like you can only handle one variable at a time.
The Seymour RETSRUCTURE IS WHAT REGGIE HAD TO DO GIVEN A HORRIBLE CONTRACT PROVIDED TO AN OVER THE HILL INJURY PRONE PLAYER BY MR DAVIS.
The restructure was done in the context of lack of Dline talent, a lack of picks and being $30 million over the cap!!!!
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completely disagree, Reggie had a choice to cut seymour and have to eat only 7.5 million out of 15mil. instead he kept him and gave him a new contract with a signing bonus that will haunt us this year. reggies decision was a bad one, make excuses for him , but that was his decision. We were 6 mil under the cap when we signed carter and ended the year 4+mil under the cap. there was no need to keep seymour and it certainly was a bad decision to give him a new contract with a signing bonus that will hurt our cap space by over 5million this year when he is cut. I get Reggie was a rookie GM, but dont buy that his decision wasnt a bad one.it was
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Bcz
I saw us anywhere from No. 30-32 in offseason predictions – every last rating had us 4th in the AFC West. I was hoping for better – hoping that the coaching would make a difference. Even with a good OC, I am not sure we would of ended up much better considering the epic fails on defense earlier in the year. Maybe 6-10 or 7-9 at best. We had a big exodus of talent that everyone seems to deny.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Al
Reggie is highly respected in the NFL and did a great job with the Pack.
Many of you opined that bringing in fresh ideas and new schemes would revitalize the Raiders.
Coaching and scheme was the problem.
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
WE LACK TALENT AND REGGIE CAN NOT ACQUIRE ENOUGH OF IT WITHOUT MONEY AND DRAFT PICKS IN ONE YEAR!!!
NO ONE CAN!
The stats that matter the most are wins and losses. I would hope most agree with that.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51!!!!!!
The point differential in the losses is a whopping 29-12.
The 2011 Raiders under Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
Tom Cable was 5-13 against playoff teams winning by an average of 12 points and losing by an average of 17 points.
THAT IS THE COLD REALITY UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I also believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby DELAYING progress not accelerating it.
We need two really good drafts to be able to compete again. Especially ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. We simply cannot compete regardless of scheme, time zone, coaching, temperature of the hot dogs and any other meaningless attribute one can think of. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Hue had to deal with more adversity in his 1st year as HC than DA will ever have to deal with and Hue still has this team a game from playoffs.
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February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
763- no excuses in 2013…heard them all in 2012
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
these guys should be politicians…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 am
CHARILL RIGHT ON AT 741
these people thank you build a football team in one year get rid of Palmer McFadden bring in some high dollar free agents what ever blab lab lab bladder bladder bladder bladder
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Fire Reggie. He kept Seymour… no no no… HANG REGGIE. He should be KILLED for doing something SO HEINOUS to this team. We were only 1 player away from winning it all for the next 10 years if only we kept Hue (which to me is hilarious, because there were only 2 people arguing for Hue last year before he was fired, me and ChrisinNY)
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Fireing Reggie is a certainty.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Lol at big exodus of talent.
Wimbley, Routt, Bush. There’s your big exodus of talent. Everyone else we lost by chooce. Heck, you can even argue that we could have let Bush had we wanted to. We had the cap space after the Branch deal.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:06 am
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
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something doesn’t ring true about that statement. How could a team that lost 3 key players from an 8-8 team have such a MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT. I guess they overacheived with HueJax. I guess HueJax was just that good or DA was just that pathetic. Or a combo of both.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:06 am
reggie being a great take that back a decent scout does not translate to a decent gm…i could care less what the leagues opinion of reggie is his results are the complete opposite…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:06 am
i just walked in and told my boss i need 5 years to do a better job than the last guy. he laughed and fired me
February 13th, 2013 at 10:07 am
The Big Banana Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Lol, Reggie could have been done with Seymour last year. He owns that decision to keep him and push that problem to this year.
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Exactly.
Don’t forget that we were over the cap, and we didn’t have enough cap space to absorb his dead money, but who knows?
I’m not impressed with Reggie, and I think DA is a Titty Monkey.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:08 am
*choice and *kept Bush
Fat fingers!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Fire Reggie,bring in Bill Polian.A real GM with real GM experiance.Reggie is a joke.Not qualified.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:08 am
766.1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Bcz
I saw us anywhere from No. 30-32 in offseason predictions – every last rating had us 4th in the AFC West. I was hoping for better – hoping that the coaching would make a difference. Even with a good OC, I am not sure we would of ended up much better considering the epic fails on defense earlier in the year. Maybe 6-10 or 7-9 at best. We had a big exodus of talent that everyone seems to deny.
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Steve Corkran and Jerry McDonald said we would ‘be in the mix’ in a ‘wide open division’… Most people here thought Peyton Manning was going to flop in Denver and they would struggle to 8-8 like they did with Tebow. But hey Steve and Jer said we would compete. It MUST be true… Just like Steve said the Chargers would lay down for us…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Fire Reggie. He kept Seymour… no no no… HANG REGGIE. He should be KILLED for doing something SO HEINOUS to this team. We were only 1 player away from winning it all for the next 10 years if only we kept Hue (which to me is hilarious, because there were only 2 people arguing for Hue last year before he was fired, me and ChrisinNY)
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you never argued for HUE, you are so full of yourself. bring back tom flores
February 13th, 2013 at 10:09 am
NYC
The Seymour deal was a calculated risk given:
The lack of Dline talent
No 1st or 2nd round pick
$30 million over the cap
Your numbers are not accurate.
We either eat the dead money last year or this year.
Given the other issues we had with dead money Reggie had no other choice than to try to get another year of service OUT OF HIS HIGHEST PAID PLAYER!!!!
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
February 13th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Wimbley Routt and Bush must be awesome superheros of football to drag along the dregs of the NFL to an 8-8 record. They must have drawn superhuman strength to lift up this joke “massively gapped” team.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:09 am
i especially like how shrek takes credit for goid pickups by gb but says he only scouted the bad pickups…lol
February 13th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Without Palmer this year we probably would have been 1-13 or 2-12. He actually kept us in some other games. If he would have been healthy I think we would have won at SD. Palmer always does well against SD’s defense and 24 points would not been enough for SD.
And if we were 1-13 then for what the #1 overall with no clear best player?
I do not want to have a “Suck for Luck” year next year, work with Palmer get the pay cut resturcture and use both Pryor and Palmer we need both of them. I do not want to see 2006 over again.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Steve Corkran and Jerry McDonald said we would ‘be in the mix’ in a ‘wide open division’… Most people here thought Peyton Manning was going to flop in Denver and they would struggle to 8-8 like they did with Tebow. But hey Steve and Jer said we would compete. It MUST be true… Just like Steve said the Chargers would lay down for us…
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all of this is true!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:11 am
a calculated risk now? really you are nearing mcxcuse20 status…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:11 am
you can even argue that we could have let Bush had we wanted to
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We had no choice with Bush. He didn’t give us the opportunity to even negotiate. He wasn’t anywhere near Alameda when free agency opened. He left by choice.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:13 am
753.1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Charlie and Bcz
I appreaciate your posts. While there are others that understand the issues the Raiders are facing sometimes I just want to throw my computer against the wall listening to some of the posts like from Mistic or Al the Al Davis Apologist.
Love the Raiders been a fan litterally since I can remember as a little boy in 1965. Heck I was born in the same town and same year as the Raides hence my screen name but we are in some deep crap right now. If we get lucky with under the radar FA signings and our draft picks we can compete if we stay healthy but our roster has been severly compromised for AD’s super bowl run of 2010 – 2011 which only ended up with 8-8 seasons with extremly undiciplined teams.
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Yeah. Blame a dead Al for his son and McK ruining coaching continuity by firing Hue unecessarily and then replacing him with a young rookie head coach who the players don’t follow and then letting the rookie head coach tear down the successful offensive system that was in place for 2 years.
Blame Al for McK by making the OLine weaker with the DUMB hiring of Greg Knapp as OC who already failed here as an OC once before and by getting rid of Satele (starting Center) and Barksdale (who could have been starting RG or RT)
Blame Al for McK getting rid of Chris Johnson. Blame Al for McK keeping Seymour around when he didn’t need to be kept this year.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
We had no choice with Bush. He didn’t give us the opportunity to even negotiate. He wasn’t anywhere near Alameda when free agency opened. He left by choice.
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No, I don’t think this is accurate. Well before free agency, Reggie had the decision to keep Seymour and obligate another $7.5 mill. We could have had Bush if we wanted to. But Reggie opted for Dick Seymour.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
NYC
Maybe you should be fired.
All I know is that no team in the NFL in the cap era was mismanaged more than the Raiders. NO TEAM!
It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
NYC
The Seymour deal was a calculated risk given:
The lack of Dline talent
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Calculated risk? But anyone that knows anything about football knew we were going to stink this past year. Thats what we’re told in here. Reggie must have known too, yes? So keep Seymour because we would suck just a bit more without him? You people are funny. Do you listen to yourselves?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:09 am
NYC
The Seymour deal was a calculated risk given:
The lack of Dline talent
No 1st or 2nd round pick
$30 million over the cap
Your numbers are not accurate.
We either eat the dead money last year or this year.
Given the other issues we had with dead money Reggie had no other choice than to try to get another year of service OUT OF HIS HIGHEST PAID PLAYER!!!!
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Here ya go Charlie, heres the fact, Reggie had a chance to eat 7.5 mill , last year and move on..instead he hurt us this year..
Rotoworld.com reports that the Oakland Raiders have made the decision to retain DT Richard Seymour which means that they’ll be paying his $7.5 million roster bonus.
The Raiders released CB Stanford Routt earlier in an attempt to shed some salary but new GM Reggie McKenzie said that he wasn’t going to be making any ”wholesale changes” to the teams roster.
Seymour will make $15 million for the 2012 NFL season and will be paid the entire $30 million extension that Oakland gave him last year.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:16 am
The cap is one thing,but Denise and Gregg Knapp along with the zoneblocking scheme was just a plain horrible decision by a horrible GM with NO fking GM experiance at all. Reggie should go for embarrassing this great org like that.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:16 am
charlie stop looking at what everyone around the league is saying…watch the games.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:16 am
2012 – Just Excuses Baby
February 13th, 2013 at 10:17 am
heck steve and jerry say they are writers…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:17 am
#784 Wimbley was important because we did not have a good outside pass rush option until the end of the season with Carter
Routt was a scrub ok I get it.
Bush was extremly valuable to us and probably worth a couple of wins.
You also forget people like Bosch – A TE that can catch and run block. Satale and trying to move Wiz to center when he was pratcially a pro bowl guard. Also the fact that Wiz made this transition coming off an injury with no training camp.
I can blame Reggie for signing Briesell (why not get a center!) I was hoping he would cut Seymour and Kelly last year to start fresh and give us better cap. In retrospect letting DA hire Knapp was a big mistake as well. However I cannot blame him for the mess AD and Hue left him to work through. We would need a book to write all the mistakes AD did and Hue made several in only a few months probably equal to those RM and DA made in a year.
I know “all that stuff is just excuses the Raiders should have been at least in the AFC Championship.”
February 13th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Yeah. Blame a dead Al for his son and McK ruining coaching continuity by firing Hue unecessarily and then replacing him with a young rookie head coach who the players don’t follow and then letting the rookie head coach tear down the successful offensive system that was in place for 2 years.
Blame Al for McK by making the OLine weaker with the DUMB hiring of Greg Knapp as OC who already failed here as an OC once before and by getting rid of Satele (starting Center) and Barksdale (who could have been starting RG or RT)
Blame Al for McK getting rid of Chris Johnson. Blame Al for McK keeping Seymour around when he didn’t need to be kept this year.
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Yeah, the salary cap constraints and lack of draft picks that DIRECTLY influenced what Reggie was able to do certainly had no part in the decline of this team.
Fyi. Chris Johnson was released by the team in 2011 after the death of his sister at his request. Reggie was with the Packers still.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:18 am
It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.
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No one has that kind of patience or should have. That’s not realistic to sit back and take pounding after pounding in the name of cleaning out the “outta wack” contracts. 3-5 years in football is like inverse dog years in reality. That’s like a lifetime.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
NYC
Maybe you should be fired.
All I know is that no team in the NFL in the cap era was mismanaged more than the Raiders. NO TEAM!
It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
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.charlie, whats the average length of an nfl players career? hmmm..maybe we can rebulid twice in 5 years
February 13th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Seymour will make $15 million for the 2012 NFL season and will be paid the entire $30 million extension that Oakland gave him last year.
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Be thankful, Nation. Reggie took a calculated risk so that we wouldn’t end up with the #1 overall pick. Great work. 15 million well spent and well worth the 13 million cap hit in 2013.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:20 am
lol…twice the rebuild!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Clearly BCZ Autumn Wind and I are in the same camp.
I have been a Raider fan since 63′.
Always have and always will be.
No one values the contributions that Mr. Davis made to the Raiders and the NFL/AFL more than me.
That is I ALWAYS refer to him as Mr. Davis.
The reality says that the last ten years either he and/or his trusted advisors were unable to compete at the NFL level. The won loss record says it all.
Seven different coaching staffs with the same lack of performance POINTS CLEARLY TO A LACK OF TALENT.
The cap issues and lack of picks we inherited last year are real.
Not figments of anyone’s imagination.
That reality means we are in the second year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
No emotion. Just cold clinical objectivity.
No immediate gratification in sight.
Just hard work from a man (Reggie) highly respected in the NFL
(and also by Madden who helped interviewed him and Wolf who recommended him.)
February 13th, 2013 at 10:22 am
791.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
We had no choice with Bush. He didn’t give us the opportunity to even negotiate. He wasn’t anywhere near Alameda when free agency opened. He left by choice.
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No, I don’t think this is accurate. Well before free agency, Reggie had the decision to keep Seymour and obligate another $7.5 mill. We could have had Bush if we wanted to. But Reggie opted for Dick Seymour.
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Another McK mistake to blame Al on…not resigning Bush and keeping Branch and Seymour instead.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:24 am
I believe this roster can be fixed with a couple calculated moves in the draft and free agency.Lets see if bottom lip can prove he knows football like some of these Reggie lovers say he does. I dont think he is qualified to do so and beleive his excuse makers will fall of the wagon this year.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:25 am
charlie i do agree that it starts at the oline, that being said why did reggie ok a zbs when he did not have zbs linemen? get some big mean ugly nasties in there…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position for the past 5 years, thats why NE left him go.
Again, Seymore may be in the HOF, but it will be because of the way he played in NE, and because NE was a media darling at that time.
Seymore being in the HOF will have zero to do with his time in Oakland where he was the leader of one of the worts Ds in the league and commited more personal fouls than I care to remember.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Guest
I think MD has a 3 year patience span. He does not have a four or five year one. We need to see some progress next year and then actually field a team at least as good as the one in 2010 for RM to stay all 4 years of his contract. If the Raiders make the playoffs in 2014 both he and DA will probably get extensions. That is what they are working for!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position for the past 5 years, thats why NE left him go.
Again, Seymore may be in the HOF, but it will be because of the way he played in NE, and because NE was a media darling at that time.
Seymore being in the HOF will have zero to do with his time in Oakland where he was the leader of one of the worst Ds in the league and commited more personal fouls than I care to remember.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Many of you seem to think quick fixes are the norm in the NFL.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I do believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby DELAYING progress not accelerating it.
Talent is 80% and coaching is 20% of the equation.
I have selected a more recent list that may intrigue the more insightful on this blog and continues to prove the point.
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $30 million over the cap when you take the job.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 am
808.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:25 am
charlie i do agree that it starts at the oline, that being said why did reggie ok a zbs when he did not have zbs linemen? get some big mean ugly nasties in there…
Exactly. He’s an unqualified GM.This will get worse.#1 overall pick in the draft next year will seal Reggie’s fate.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:29 am
812.Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Many of you seem to think quick fixes are the norm in the NFL.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I do believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby DELAYING progress not accelerating it.
Talent is 80% and coaching is 20% of the equation.
I have selected a more recent list that may intrigue the more insightful on this blog and continues to prove the point.
Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons
Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)
Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)
Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons
None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $30 million over the cap when you take the job.
What did Mcfadden20 change his screen name or what? WTF? Dont give us that bullsht!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Al the Al Davis Apologist
Totally agree with post #808. That is why I wanted a center and was at least hoping Knapp would run a hybrid and install that system slowly. I also wanted AS to be the OC but rumors were he did not want they stress. I wish we would have got someone like we got this year that ran a compatible system. That was a legitimate mistake DA and RM made.
I still hope they draft a center and let Wiz get back to being a guard and BU center.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:30 am
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I know. 5 year rebuild. Give me a break.
Tell that to the Colts last year with a superstar QB going down and a new head coach, OC and staff.
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Ohhh BE real now……….
The Colts were a Perennial playoff team and in the Superbowl discussion for ten years straight. Yeah they lost Manning and kind of took a nose dive for one year….ONE YEAR.
The Raiders have been stumbling, tripping, and “Keystone Cop”-ing themselves around for the last TEN years, and the only discussion they were involved in was a Toilet Bowl. Yeah, they were showing improvement from 09, 10, 11……But never did they approach a status of “A GOOD TEAM”.
Come on Now…… Com’on
February 13th, 2013 at 10:32 am
This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year,….see below
2006 Browns 4-12
2007 Browns 10-6
2006 Redskins 5-11
2007 Redskins 9-7
2006 TB 4-12
2007 TB 9-7
2007 Ravens 5-11
2008 Ravens 11-5
2007 Falcons 4-12
2008 Falcons 11-5
2008 Bengals 4-11-1
2009 Bengals 10-6
2009 KC 4-12
2010 KC10-6
2009 TB 3-13
2010 TB10-6
2009 ST L 1-15
2010 STL 7-9
2010 Bengals 4-12
2011 Bengals 9-7(w/o CP3)
2010 Broncos 4-12
2011 Broncos 8-8(1st place)
2012 year of the Excuse—2013 No Excuses!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Draft defense and try to sighn a center if we can.There is no choice but to trade the 3rd pick for some more picks (like Reggie can draft anyway) he sucks.Unless Mooore is still sitting there at 3.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:35 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 am
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
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in the words of the GreenParty president
…. well fuk you guys !!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 am
LOL, what’s up Mike?!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:27 am
But I really felt and you can look at the vibe of the posts in here the last couple of years that the LAUGHING STOCK phase of our history timeline was behind us. Finally. Just needed a little luck.
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In 2010 we were the first team to sweep our division and not make the playoffs… people were still laughing.
In 2011 we were massacred in 5 of our last 6 games. People were still laughing… same old ‘Faiders’. Most penalized team in HISTORY.
The laughing never stop, our hope just grew loud enough to drown it out. It also drowned out the reality those teams were mediocre teams that were never going to grow past 8-8, and were hiding some serious flaws, like a woeful lack of depth at every position on the team, and a crippling salary cap problem that was pushed off til next year so often that the only way to fix it was to do what Reggie did. Cut as many guys as you can, and hope that with the trash heap scraps you can scrape together enough of a team to at least sell some tickets.
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People don’t realize how close we were to things being alot different than they are now.
IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:42 am
Yeah, I just went to my bosses office. Promised I’d have this all figured out 5 years from now. Sorry it’s so fkd up, but I don’t have the right tools to get the job done right. But give me 5 years boss. promise you. pinky promise.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:42 am
NYCRaider
Your post only proves that teams can possibly turn around. Many of your examples actually then faded the next year such as KC. You have to look at everything for example take the Colts vs. Raiders:
1. Was the previous year because of an injury of a key player or two that are coming back?
2. How is the cap with the losing team do they have room to sign some FA’s to rebuild
3. Draft picks do they have a lot of draft picks to rebuild the roster.
Compare Colts vs. Raiders
1. Injury – Colts Yes had some key injuries with players coming back. Raiders Maybe but same person injured again!
2. Cap – Colts in good shape with Manning gone Raiders in terrible shape.
3. Draft Picks – Colts #1 overall and got to pick their need and best player available at #1 and had many other pics to fill in. Raiders first pick a comp pic at end of third round.
Please read this post objectively and maybe the light will come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 am
It can always get worse.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:45 am
IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.
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This is the WHAT IF that I can remember. But there are those in here who will tell you we we had MASSIVE TALENT GAPS and were destined to suck. ONE PLAY made in 2011. ONE STINKING PLAY from having a coach that could not be fired. Nobody would be talking about our sucky roster as if it were a given fact.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:46 am
#824 if we cut Palmer it might be 2006 all over again! If we do that bad I can only imagine what the RM haters would say and I would join them on that one.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:46 am
It can always get worse.
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the floggings will continue until morale improves.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:48 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:42 am
NYCRaider
Your post only proves that teams can possibly turn around. Many of your examples actually then faded the next year such as KC. You have to look at everything for example take the Colts vs. Raiders:
1. Was the previous year because of an injury of a key player or two that are coming back?
2. How is the cap with the losing team do they have room to sign some FA’s to rebuild
3. Draft picks do they have a lot of draft picks to rebuild the roster.
Compare Colts vs. Raiders
1. Injury – Colts Yes had some key injuries with players coming back. Raiders Maybe but same person injured again!
2. Cap – Colts in good shape with Manning gone Raiders in terrible shape.
3. Draft Picks – Colts #1 overall and got to pick their need and best player available at #1 and had many other pics to fill in. Raiders first pick a comp pic at end of third round.
Please read this post objectively and maybe the light will come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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maybe you should re read my post, it did not mention the colts. but guess you wanted to speak about the colts, so here it is. the colts lost one of the top 5 qbs in the nfl and possibly top 10 ever, they lost their head coach to illness, they had only 3 of their draft picks contribute, yet they had a playoff season. If you want to write off the 2012 season fine, its already gone. But our cap position isnt that bad and we have the 3rd pick in the draft. 2013 is the year of no excuses.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:51 am
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:46 am
It can always get worse.
******
the floggings will continue until morale improves.
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I know it works on Marines……But does it work on Millionare’s?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Big Reg has egg on his face.
Big Reg is no longer the well respected up and coming scout.
Big Reg is now the under achieving first year GM that is coming off an unmitigated disaster of a first year and will soon be out of a job unless he finds a way to turn it around.
Now.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:45 am
IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.
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This is the WHAT IF that I can remember. But there are those in here who will tell you we we had MASSIVE TALENT GAPS and were destined to suck. ONE PLAY made in 2011. ONE STINKING PLAY from having a coach that could not be fired. Nobody would be talking about our sucky roster as if it were a given fact.
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how about cj37 dropping that easy int against the bills in the end zone that would have ended the game and given us a win, or even after chuckie b had our lb on calvin johnson, if mcclain takes stafford in the red zone on 4th down we beat the lions..we were so close
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
meanwhile DA is into year two of OTJ training. Maybe one day he’ll figure out this head coaching thing?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
aloha Hwnrdr !!
how the he11 are you today ??
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.
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This team had to face plant to AVOID the playoffs just two seasons ago… and there was nothing special about that team except McFadden caught on fire early. Most of the playoff teams are pretty mediocre. The NFL is mediocre from top to bottom by design… you act like it takes a great team to make the playoffs.. it doesn’t!
This is NOT a 3-5 year process, I refuse to accept that as reality. I like the new coaching changes. With some good drafting and smarter FA shopping, anything can happen.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:55 am
We all want to win and I am as frustrated as everyone else on this blog for our embarrassing situation. The problem is that no one quick fix exists.
Not in our case.
Ten years of poor drafts.
We had the worst cap issue in the history of the NFL and we were missing three of our top four picks in our first two drafts with Reggie.
Our talent is poor, and getting VERY old and injury prone on the lines.
The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage and that is where the rebuilding needs to start.
Throw on top of it a significant injury issue and you have 2012.
As I have said we are now in year 2 of a 3-5 year project. Still over the cap in 2013 without a full complement of picks till 2014.
“Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap for 2013. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again. But they should be able to do a little more than they did last year.”
“The Raiders are making changes to their offensive staff. It may take a couple of years to dig themselves out of a terrible cap situation that this regime inherited.”
“The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup and play this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better in 2013.”
“Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”
February 13th, 2013 at 10:57 am
832.hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?
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MISTIC!
kidding, but when many of us were compaining about Boller as the backup he said that Boller was fine as the backup to JC.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:00 am
If you say it takes 5 years to rebuild, does that mean you cant be wrong for 5 years? oh i get it..if we do good in 2 years , you can say the GM is a genius, if the team doesnt do well and the GM is fired after 3-4 years, your theory still lives. Its basically a no lose situation..got it..
February 13th, 2013 at 11:00 am
“Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”
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Any particular reason? What did Allen do to solidify his job? Coninuity for its own sake is a very weak argument.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Charlie, you changed my mind.
Reggie is doing a fine job.
Last season’s face plant was to be expected.
It was all part of Reggie’s master plan that is completely on schedule.
Thanks man. I feel better.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:01 am
meanwhile I suckered a dumb owner into paying me 5 solid years on the gravy train! Sweet!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:02 am
#825 Guest we were also 2 plays away from being 6-10 because some of our victories were that close.
For the Record I did not think the 2010 Raiders were an untalented team – we still had NA, Wimbley played well, seymour and kelly were younger and we had one of the better pass rushing teams in the NFL. We lost some people between 2010 -2011 and also a couple of draft pics including a 1st rounder and we had a weaker team in 2011. Then after 2011 we lost a lot of talent, had no real cap room, and had no pics until almost the 4th round. Here is a question for all those demanding playoffs in 2012 – was the talent level better in 2012 than 2010 or 2011. Please note those two teams did not make the playoffs either.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:04 am
2012 was a roster purge per charlie…oops forgot about the big bust on briesel, the disaster of seymour, the shocking long term contract of Branch when you had him franchised, the restructuring of palmer. all adds up to a rookie gm who made mistakes
February 13th, 2013 at 11:11 am
801.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:18 am
It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.
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No one has that kind of patience or should have. That’s not realistic to sit back and take pounding after pounding in the name of cleaning out the “outta wack” contracts. 3-5 years in football is like inverse dog years in reality. That’s like a lifetime.
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Losing for 3 years creates and establishes a culture of losing and a losing mentality.
The team was getting over that hump the previous two years and young Davis, McK and DA had to screw that momentum up in the name of “clearing up the cap”.
Nice!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Last year I was optimistic because we finally had Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden on the field at the same time. I also expected DHB to continue on an upward ascent from his almost 1000 yard season. And Denarius Moore was a young budding star. We had the pieces in place to be a very good offensive team and remember we were good the year before.
Yes we lost some key free agents, but the nucleus was there to make a playoff run. I wasn’t just sipping the kool-aid. It wasn’t a super bowl team but it should have been competitive for the division.
Another source of hope was the firing of Bresnahan and defensive coaches Tarver and Allen. I figured that they couldn’t be any worse than Bresh. Boy was I wrong!
Discounting my pessimism from jump street on Knapp. I assumed the offense was going to continue scoring and maybe even improve given the new CP3/DMC tandem.
I drank the koolaid. I thought this team was better. I never for a second thought we had a talent issue, even with the cap and late draft picks.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:12 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
aloha Hwnrdr !!
how the he11 are you today ??
What’s up Ray? Doing good…beautiful day outside in NorCal! What about you?
February 13th, 2013 at 11:13 am
NCRaider
So you wanted to Franchise Branch!? LOL. Our cap situation would have caused us to cut other players. The deal that Seymour struck (it is my understanding) gave us cap relief in 2012 at the expense of later years because we just could not sustain his number in 2012 and field a team.
Agreed on Briesel (did not like that move), did not like keeping Seymour (I would have rather just got it over with (but then you guys would have really been howling). Knapp hire sucked and keeping him past bye week loss when offense looked terrible with all excuses removed was dumb. I agree the guy made mistakes but what if he did dump Symour and did not sign Briesell. How many extra games would that buy? Even if he had a power offense how many extra would that buy? I do not think it would have made us 8-8 but it would have put us in better shape now.
Not saying the guy is perfect or awesome but sure better than the management we had from 94-2011 with the exception of Allen when he was Asst GM and Grudent was coach.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:13 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:57 am
832.hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?
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MISTIC!
kidding, but when many of us were compaining about Boller as the backup he said that Boller was fine as the backup to JC.
I remember…
February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
845..reggie himself said we were able to compete for the playoffs last july..then in week 10 he said we were rebuilding..nothing like an end of year rebuilding program
February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Guys
I wish we could find the genius that can overcome being $30 million over the cap and missing 3 of our top four picks in our 2012 and 2013 drafts and having a talent thin roster.
I wish every hot coaching prospect would love to come to Oakland given our cap issues, lack of picks and talent poor roster.
I hope we go 12-4 next year.
I hope we find the next Reggie White in round six and the next Gene Upshaw in Round 7.
I hope Dmac satys healthy and for once earns his bloated salary.
I hope Ford and Moore stay healthy.
I hope the REST OF THE NFL AND THE AFC WEST DOES NOT IMPROVE.
Given our reality, I doubt many or even any of those things will happen.
Plan for a six or seven win season in 2013 with Reggie and DA finishing their four year deals.
Maybe we challenge for a playoff spot in 2014.
One man’s opinion.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 am
I say we start Pryor and tank the season for Clowney.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:16 am
234.dr_robert Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Ngraider–their football IQ is demonstrated by what they post. As I said, football ignorant.
And ur doing it. Talking about a “qb going such and such record” is ignorant. Quarterbacks don’t have records. Teams do. When a team goes 4-12, u look to see which players are good and which are the problem. U get rid of the POOR PLAYERS and add good ones. U KEEP the good ones.
Fact: 4k passers are GOOD PLAYERS. Not even arguable for those with brains.
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Tommy Kelly isn’t a bad player, but they are still cutting him. we might have a viable replacement for him, given we can actually resign bryant AND bring someone else in because we are losing two DT and MAYBE bringing back 1
Kam Wimbley wasn’t a bad player, he was one of our best players, our only pass rusher. we definitely did not have a vable replacement for him
stanford routt wasn’t a bad player, he was our best corner. we OBVIOUSLy didn’t have a viable replacement for him
Huff isn’t a bad player, he was our best db this year, especially after the switch to CB.
these are all players that have been cut or are reported to possibly be cut. It’s because all though they were good, some of our better players, because their production doesn’t match the money they are gonna make. a qb is DIRECTLY responsible for offensive production, he is supposed to get the right play in, read the defense, and score points. in a qb driven league, your qb has to be able to find ways to put points on the board. you can throw as many yds as you want, but if you aren’t scoring pts it doesn’t matter. furthermore, the qb is responsible for taking care of the ball unless someone else fumbles. 22 tds to 14 ints and 5 lost qb fumbles is a horrible stat, that is no way worthy of 15 mil a yr for a qb, that is almost a TO for every TD.
leading a team that is 30th in the nfl in red zone scoring percentage (and thats including pryors 3/3, which actually brings the % up)
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct
…is not worth 15 mil. that means that yea you could throw for a lot of yards between the 20s but couldn’t do jack sh!t once you got there, which makes those yds weak as hell.
leading an offense to 26th in scoring in the nfl is not worth 15 mil.
when your (essentially) rookie backup comes in and improves on your offenses points per game avg. 3rd down efficiency, and red zone scoring % AND has a higher qbr than you, in one game, and he costs 700k, you are not worth 15 mil
u say the reasons for hating on palmer are idiotic…those numbers i just threw out are not idiotic, those are real stats, and i dont even think hes a bad qb, but those are facts, cold hard facts.
I already know what you’re gonna say “o the chargers weren’t playing for anything so those stats don’t count” thats so dumb. you have yet to show me any evidence to the contrary all u say is 4k yds passing and win loss doesnt count on a qb…
heres something for you, of the 6 teams that had a worse offense than us this yr in terms of scoring
- 1 (miami) had a rookie qb
- 1 (philly) had a qb w/ an out of whack contract similar to palmer and that qb significantly restructured, or he would have been cut
- 4 (AZ, KC, Jax, NYJ) are looking for new qbs
Also, the 3 teams that avg. less TDs per game than us (KC, JAX, AZ) are ALL looking for new qbs
stats are not football ignorant.
Individual statistic don’t mean anything if they don’t help the team (o my bad, qb’s shouldnt be responsible for the team) the offense score points.
no palmer is not a bad qb, but he isn’t worth 15 mil, if you think he is u r just flat out ignorant.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Morilla
I never want to see the Raiders tank. It is not the Raider way. We (even when we were bad) always tried to win and beat the odds. I do not think I can bear another 2006 season.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:16 am
845.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Last year I was optimistic because we finally had Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden on the field at the same time. I also expected DHB to continue on an upward ascent from his almost 1000 yard season. And Denarius Moore was a young budding star. We had the pieces in place to be a very good offensive team and remember we were good the year before.
Yes we lost some key free agents, but the nucleus was there to make a playoff run. I wasn’t just sipping the kool-aid. It wasn’t a super bowl team but it should have been competitive for the division.
Another source of hope was the firing of Bresnahan and defensive coaches Tarver and Allen. I figured that they couldn’t be any worse than Bresh. Boy was I wrong!
Discounting my pessimism from jump street on Knapp. I assumed the offense was going to continue scoring and maybe even improve given the new CP3/DMC tandem.
I drank the koolaid. I thought this team was better. I never for a second thought we had a talent issue, even with the cap and late draft picks.
^^^^^^^^^^
Thats what happens when you change coaches and systems inexplicably on the players.
Regression.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Plan for a six or seven win season in 2013 with Reggie and DA finishing their four year deals.
Maybe we challenge for a playoff spot in 2014.
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sorry I can’t think like that. that’s like your girl telling you that 3rd base is as far as you gonna go and end up with blue balls. not fun. gotta be the whole enchilada or nada.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:19 am
The more and more I think about it with Seymour and Kelly gone and who knows if Bryant gets resigned, (which he should get resigned) IMO.
The Raiders pick will be DT/NT Star or a trade down…..
February 13th, 2013 at 11:20 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:13 am
NCRaider
So you wanted to Franchise Branch!? LOL. Our cap situation would have caused us to cut other players. The deal that Seymour struck (it is my understanding) gave us cap relief in 2012 at the expense of later years because we just could not sustain his number in 2012 and field a team.
Agreed on Briesel (did not like that move), did not like keeping Seymour (I would have rather just got it over with (but then you guys would have really been howling). Knapp hire sucked and keeping him past bye week loss when offense looked terrible with all excuses removed was dumb. I agree the guy made mistakes but what if he did dump Symour and did not sign Briesell. How many extra games would that buy? Even if he had a power offense how many extra would that buy? I do not think it would have made us 8-8 but it would have put us in better shape now.
Not saying the guy is perfect or awesome but sure better than the management we had from 94-2011 with the exception of Allen when he was Asst GM and Grudent was coach.
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Not a big branch fan, but thats a different topic. my point is Reggie had many challenges, but he’s done nothing to earn my confidence. My biggest issue with reggie as a talent evaluator is he said in July we could compete for the playoffs and then in week 10 acts like we have been rebuilding. Then you look at his decisions on the guys mentioned above and his actions will hurt us in 2013. Without Branch, Seymour, Brisel our 2012 record would be the same yet our 2013 cap is severely hurt by theses guys.
i agree that Reggie deserves another year to prove himself, but i respectfully disagree that he has done anything to earn anyone’s confidence. He has alot to prove in 2013
February 13th, 2013 at 11:21 am
855…great analogy!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:21 am
855.guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Plan for a six or seven win season in 2013 with Reggie and DA finishing their four year deals.
Maybe we challenge for a playoff spot in 2014.
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sorry I can’t think like that. that’s like your girl telling you that 3rd base is as far as you gonna go and end up with blue balls. not fun. gotta be the whole enchilada or nada.
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LMAO….exactly!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am
The Raiders pick will be DT/NT Star
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that’d be great news!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am
856. Even if they draft a DT, they should still resign Bryant. He’s good and DT’s don’t last all game long anyways. It’s good to have a rotation.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am
NYC raider
Who says CP3 is worth 15 million? I actually wrote a post yesturday saying he should take a pay reduction like Vick and at least be on par with Aaron Rogers for crine out loud. I do not agree however that we should just cut him without trying to do this. If we do cut him we will have to bring someone in and that 9.7 million in cap savings will look like 4 million so think before you cut. If we just go with Pryor then RM and DA are as dumb as some of you make them out to be.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I am on record as saying if CP3 does not take a pay reduction then he should be cut. Why? because his high cap number is preventing us from resigning people like Bryant and Wheeler.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:27 am
The offense was set back by the ppl in charge trying to fix something that wasn’t broke!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:27 am
863. I agree and I think CP3 will survey the market and adjust his price to what his true price is and it will also matter if he wants to stay in California. But I think he renegotiates. And when the new contract is inked and dry, we can finally move on from the blog incited “QB controversy”
lol
February 13th, 2013 at 11:29 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:12 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
aloha Hwnrdr !!
how the he11 are you today ??
What’s up Ray? Doing good…beautiful day outside in NorCal! What about you?
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?? whos Ray ?? lol lol
doing fine here too sir. nice sunny day
here in s.m.i.b. ville !!!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:30 am
860.inonewordraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:22 am
The Raiders pick will be DT/NT Star
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that’d be great news!
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Yeah, it’s looking more and more like DT/NT Star will be the pick if he is there at #3 or McK will trade down.
Seymour and Kelly are gone and Houston will be moved inside. An instant starter will be needed.
Bryant status is still up in the air, he should be resigned though.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:30 am
863.1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I am on record as saying if CP3 does not take a pay reduction then he should be cut. Why? because his high cap number is preventing us from resigning people like Bryant and Wheeler.
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Problem is if you do that, then we have a huge hole at QB instead of LB and DT.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:32 am
What fan goes into the season thinking, ok my team is going to start 3-3, lose a couple, win one, etc.. and end up 7-9 and all the while I never got my hopes up for the postseason?
Isn’t that what fans do? Get hyped for a postseason run? Otherwise following each and every Sunday is just jerking ourselves off, right? What’s the friggen point without hope to compete for the playoffs?
We are the Raiders, a proud franchise with a history that loser teams dont have. No one should try to sell you on being the other team. Don’t buy it.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:32 am
832.hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?
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DutchRaider77 Says:
MISTIC!
kidding, but when many of us were compaining about Boller as the backup he said that Boller was fine as the backup to JC.
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hwnrdr Says:
I remember…
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This can’t be true! Miss Tick has foreseen the top QB’s from their freshman year in college on, some earlier.
More importantly, he is infallible when predicting failed QB’s.
Must be revisionist history.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:33 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I am on record as saying if CP3 does not take a pay reduction then he should be cut.
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so after cutting seymour and palmer they would eat up 20-25% of the cap..would be tough to swallow considering Reggie could have eliminated seymour last year
February 13th, 2013 at 11:33 am
864.REALLIONAIREB Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:27 am
The offense was set back by the ppl in charge trying to fix something that wasn’t broke!!!
^^^^^^^^^^
Yep!
A major screw up!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:35 am
You guys talking about 5 years? Remember……….
10 and then……….
February 13th, 2013 at 11:37 am
CP may rework his deal but i doubt it’ll be for less money, just maybe prolong the cap hit again.
How many of you are willing to walk into your bosses office and say, “You know i just blog all day, no way i deserve as much money as i make”
February 13th, 2013 at 11:38 am
How many of you are willing to walk into your bosses office and say, “You know i just blog all day, no way i deserve as much money as i make”
^^^^^
ouch!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:49 am
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:38 am
How many of you are willing to walk into your bosses office and say, “You know i just blog all day, no way i deserve as much money as i make”
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ouch!
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lol .. i dont have to .. his desk is right next to mine !!!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:50 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:29 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:12 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
aloha Hwnrdr !!
how the he11 are you today ??
What’s up Ray? Doing good…beautiful day outside in NorCal! What about you?
**************
?? whos Ray ?? lol lol
doing fine here too sir. nice sunny day
here in s.m.i.b. ville !!!
LOL…sorry Mike…long day!
What’s up brother?
February 13th, 2013 at 11:50 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:33 am
864.REALLIONAIREB Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:27 am
The offense was set back by the ppl in charge trying to fix something that wasn’t broke!!!
^^^^^^^^^^
Yep!
A major screw up!
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wanna know what’ll b even more screwed up? going power blocking for dmac then he get’s injured and/ or is gone after next year as a free agent and we go back to zbs!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:51 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I am on record as saying if CP3 does not take a pay reduction then he should be cut. Why? because his high cap number is preventing us from resigning people like Bryant and Wheeler.
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Palmer WILL be as flexible as the Raiders need him to be. Didn’t he say he doesn’t even need the money? On the other hand he doesn’t wanna come off as some desperate lamer who’ll work for anything.
If Palmer doesn’t do that, then I was wrong about him.
He wants to win. If I believed he wasn’t concerned about winning and just wanted a paycheck then i’d be on the “can Palmer” side of things and wishing him good riddance.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:52 am
?? whos Ray ??
I figured it was short for R8ER.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I got to say it again.
We’re probably all making something out of nothing.
If the possibility of Palmer playing well and the Raiders sucking nonetheless, especially with the Knapp hiring,
didn’t occur to the two sides crafting the restructure last year, then Palmers agent is an idiot, as is Reggie. The language should already be there, or at least an understanding.
Palmer’s agent may not have been privy to the Raiders other
contract and cap issues, but if Reggie didn’t foresee the situation he’d be in this year, maybe GM is of more concern than QB.
If you don’t think Palmer played well, that’s another story.
I do.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I am a sinner who’s probably gonna sin again
Lord forgive me, Lord forgive me
Things I don’t understand
Sometimes I need to be alone
Btch don’t kill my vibe, btch don’t kill my vibe
I can feel your energy from two planets away
I got my drink, I got my music
I would share it but today I’m yelling
Btch don’t kill my vibe, btch don’t kill my vibe
Btch don’t kill my vibe, btch don’t kill my vibe
February 13th, 2013 at 11:54 am
If Palmer takes a paycut i’ll give him a lot of respect, because he really shouldn’t have to.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:55 am
R8ER MIKE<————-you better REDNECKONIZE!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Palmer is a quitter…how can anyone respect him?
February 13th, 2013 at 11:59 am
lol lol B@Uceman !!
you know it sir !!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:52 am
?? whos Ray ??
I figured it was short for R8ER.
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been called many things but Ray sure aint one of em !!!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
885.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Palmer is a quitter…how can anyone respect him?
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Because wtf do i care about what he did to the Bengals? Now Randy Moss is another story.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
REDNECKONIZE!
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i like it B@uce. think i am going to have to use this !! giving you full credit of course !! lol lol
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Ahh, ya doesn’t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ… but ya doesn’t hafta call me Johnson
February 13th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
lol Guest, now you are reaching waaayyyy back !!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
REDNECKONIZE!
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i like it B@uce. think i am going to have to use this !! giving you full credit of course !! lol lol
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I keep it real…I saw some fat ass lil girl say it on TV one time….my lady was watch that Talk Soup show and they played a clip and I was crackin the fk up….but I actually been waiting til we were on blog at same time so I can shoot that to ya
When ya coming to a game so you can show us westcoast people how to take down some BREW?
February 13th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
885.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Palmer is a quitter…how can anyone respect him?
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Because wtf do i care about what he did to the Bengals? Now Randy Moss is another story.
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You really think that has nada to do with him now? Force of nature aka God or whatever you wanna call it wont reward that schit…see Randy Moss….See Terrell Owens….See Pick Six Palmer
You dont quit on your guys when you’re the face of franchise…..he dissed those guys because his whole life he wanted an easy ride and couldnt lead a team to a yard sale in his own front yard
February 13th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Will get out that way one of these days sir !!
i will show ya how to pound beers and you can hook
a brother up with some of that fine a$$ west coast
greenery !!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
885.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Palmer is a quitter…how can anyone respect him?
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Because wtf do i care about what he did to the Bengals? Now Randy Moss is another story.
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You really think that has nada to do with him now? Force of nature aka God or whatever you wanna call it wont reward that schit…see Randy Moss….See Terrell Owens….See Pick Six Palmer
You dont quit on your guys when you’re the face of franchise…..he dissed those guys because his whole life he wanted an easy ride and couldnt lead a team to a yard sale in his own front yard
>>>>
One word: Prozac.
You wear me out. Your posts are as enjoyable as a bleach enema.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
draft mingo…if reggie pulls that off he might start making a positive difference..,
February 13th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:51 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:23 am
I am on record as saying if CP3 does not take a pay reduction then he should be cut. Why? because his high cap number is preventing us from resigning people like Bryant and Wheeler.
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Palmer WILL be as flexible as the Raiders need him to be. Didn’t he say he doesn’t even need the money? On the other hand he doesn’t wanna come off as some desperate lamer who’ll work for anything.
If Palmer doesn’t do that, then I was wrong about him.
He wants to win. If I believed he wasn’t concerned about winning and just wanted a paycheck then i’d be on the “can Palmer” side of things and wishing him good riddance.
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Basically what I was saying yesturday is come down from 13 million to 9 million that gives us 4 million in cap savings which would be similar to what we would actually save if we sign someone like Moore to replace him. I think Palmer is better than Moore or Campbell which I think is the alternative here (Pryor worshipers not withstanding). I think Palmer will not fetch 13 million on the Market and I think 9 millon is a fair number.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Last year I was optimistic because we finally had Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden on the field at the same time. I also expected DHB to continue on an upward ascent from his almost 1000 yard season. And Denarius Moore was a young budding star. We had the pieces in place to be a very good offensive team and remember we were good the year before.
Yes we lost some key free agents, but the nucleus was there to make a playoff run. I wasn’t just sipping the kool-aid. It wasn’t a super bowl team but it should have been competitive for the division.
Another source of hope was the firing of Bresnahan and defensive coaches Tarver and Allen. I figured that they couldn’t be any worse than Bresh. Boy was I wrong!
Discounting my pessimism from jump street on Knapp. I assumed the offense was going to continue scoring and maybe even improve given the new CP3/DMC tandem.
I drank the koolaid. I thought this team was better. I never for a second thought we had a talent issue, even with the cap and late draft picks.
>>>>>
It wasn’t a talent issue last year, it was a coaching issue. They turned the keys of the ENTIRE OFFENSE over to abject idiot narcissist. It was doomed from the beginning.
This has been addressed.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
if he puts some weight on.,,
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Gents,
I never said that JaMarcus was better than Carson. I just found it alarming that in the same sample size … Palmer actually had MORE INT’s and FEWER WINS than the biggest bust in NFL history
that’s disgraceful.
I know that Palmer has more TD’s & yards. I know that he has a better completion percentage & QB Rating. I know he has fewer fumbles and better leadership skills
you don’t have to tell me that!!
point is, JaWalrus trumping ANY raider QB in ANY category with a worse supporting cast should be considered an embarrassment
February 13th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RRS !!!
what the he11 is going on brother ??
how have you been , havent seen you much latley.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Gents,
I never said that JaMarcus was better than Carson. I just found it alarming that in the same sample size … Palmer actually had MORE INT’s and FEWER WINS than the biggest bust in NFL history
that’s disgraceful.
I know that Palmer has more TD’s & yards. I know that he has a better completion percentage & QB Rating. I know he has fewer fumbles and better leadership skills
you don’t have to tell me that!!
point is, JaWalrus trumping ANY raider QB in ANY category with a worse supporting cast should be considered an embarrassment
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Dosent JR have a better completion % than Pryor and a better Int to TD ratio than Plunkett. What is this selective stats day!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
heard you have a little Rockstar on the way !!
congrats sir !!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
I was listening to 670 The Score yesterday and the one host asked the other “we’re hearing a lot of buzz about who will be the # 1 pick in the draft from KC. Who do you think that will be”? The other guy guessed “d-line…o-line?”. The other guy said “Nope…you’ll never get this….Geno Smith”. To which the other guy said “NO FREAKING WAY..YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME…IS ANDY REID THAT STUPID”?
It went on and on from there.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Danny Southwick has better stats than JR, CP, or TP. So sad what happened…
February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
redskins and cowboys stripped of cap money but reggie has cap problems…what a joke.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
So who will be our emergency LS next year?
February 13th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Danny Southwick has better stats than JR, CP, or TP. So sad what happened…
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i remember him, but what did happen to him ??
February 13th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
GDog
It was also a talent issue especially on defense with all those 1 year contracts of people no one else wanted and people signed off other team’s practice squads etc…
If we get Palmer back and maybe get Wiz back to guard by drafting a center in the 3rd and possibly address RT with a guy like the RT for Detriot that is coming free we might just be a whole lot better on offense but defense? How much of a good defense is coaching? How much is it talent? How well can Tarver mask the weaknesses on this team?
February 13th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
As a GM you have to take some calculated risks. A lot of what RM should have done is second guessing plus you have to take into account he is a rookie. Cutting Routt and Wimbley made good financial sense especially Wimbley. That was understandable. Keeping Seymour and Palmer that was a judgement call. Getting Brisiel, at the time, was a sound pickup and reasonable money given his reputation. But there were choices made that was bound to be failures.
1. He had to retain Bush or get a suitable replacement. He let Bush walk supposedly because of lack of money but we are carrying over 4.5 million from last season so it wasn’t money.
2. If he wasn’t going to keep Bush then he had to get a suitable replacement like Benson who he let walk. Also Trindin Haliday was available.
3. Letting Bruce Campbell go was a judgement call but I would have loved to have seen him at NT
4.Knapp
5.ZBS
6.Keeping Seymour and Palmer was a judgement call. Their restructure however was a disaster. Classic example of a rookie being taken to the cleaners. Again, in almost a year and a half Palmer has pocketed almost 30 million.
7. Getting these fresh off an injury one year scrub contract players. Almost every FA he picked up was coming off of a fresh injury. Odds say at least half of them are going to be re-injured. It was a guaranteed failure. We understand the the lack of money and the need for hiring one year scrubs but make sure they are not coming off an injury.
8. Dumping and replacing the entire previous year CB corp. No matter how bad many thought Routt and CJ were you cannot scuttle your entire CB core. That alone ensured a losing season
February 13th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
reggie you are free from a winning requirement…
February 13th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
909.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Danny Southwick has better stats than JR, CP, or TP. So sad what happened…
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i remember him, but what did happen to him ??
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He disappeared in the Rapture.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
He ascended at the right hand of Al.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
guest123 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Ahh, ya doesn’t has to call me Johnson! You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me Johnny or you can call me Sonny, or you can call me RayJay, or you can call me RJ… but ya doesn’t hafta call me Johnson
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
lol Guest, now you are reaching waaayyyy back !!
LOL….RIGHT???
February 13th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
It wasn’t broke??????
A proud franchise?????????
Kelly is not a bad player????????
The stats that matter the most are wins and losses. I would hope most agree with that.
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THE RAIDERS ARE 9-51 AGAINST PLAYOFF TEAMS. 9-51!!!!!!
The point differential in the losses is a whopping 29-12. UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS!!!!!
The 2011 Raiders under the beloved Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
Tom Cable was 5-13 against playoff teams winning by an average of 12 points and losing by an average of 17 points.
THAT IS THE COLD REALITY UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I also believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby delaying progress not accelerating it.
We need two really good drafts to be able to compete again. Especially ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. We simply cannot compete regardless of scheme, time zone, coaching, temperature of the hot dogs and any other meaningless attribute one can think of. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS and it will not be fixed by next year.
The 55-20 pounding we took at the hands of the Ravens this year while Ngata and Lewis are laughing it up on the sidelines is a pretty good indicator of how big a gap we really have regarding player talent.
Sure we ran the ball against the Chefs and we played it close against the Browns and Jags w/o Jones Drew.
Who cares?
We get pummeled by good teams along the line of scrimmage.
We simply do not have the talent on the lines to compete against NFL playoff teams.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
youre right charlie wins and losses matter reggie has 5 wins and 15 losses, 16 if tou count the senior bowl…(its his staff).
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Gents,
I never said that JaMarcus was better than Carson. I just found it alarming that in the same sample size … Palmer actually had MORE INT’s and FEWER WINS than the biggest bust in NFL history
that’s disgraceful.
I know that Palmer has more TD’s & yards. I know that he has a better completion percentage & QB Rating. I know he has fewer fumbles and better leadership skills
you don’t have to tell me that!!
point is, JaWalrus trumping ANY raider QB in ANY category with a worse supporting cast should be considered an embarrassment
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What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
The bottom line is players like Seymour and Palmer come here. Seymour is a 7 time Pro Bowler. Palmer is a 2 time pro bowler who has lead the league in accuracy. All of a sudden they don’t play well, and all of you turn on them. Randy Moss did the same thing here. Kerry Collins did the same thing here. Moss got shipped out and had one of the best seasons a WR has ever had. Same thing with coaches. Norv Turner got run and two years later won the same division. Maybe it is not Seymour and Palmer. Maybe it has something to do with the Raiders.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Hypothetical;
Mcfadden’s contract isn’t ending and Knapp is retained for two more years and DMAC continues to suck in Knapp’s system, playing 13 games a year. Threatens to retire if not traded or released. Goes to another team and picks up where he left off in 2011, tearing it up in other words.
Did he quit on his team?
February 13th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Russell statistically wasn’t as bad as the perception of him was.
You add his stats to his falling asleep at meeting’s and his complete lack of effort and interest and u have what we got from him.
No way to spin it. Only Ryan Leaf shares in the discussion of biggest bust in history. They would both be in the team photo for that but Russell was too lazy to show up for it.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
thanks Mike!
friday 02/15 is my last day at the hospital..
movin’ on up & family is growing
exciting times in Podunk
February 13th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Charlie Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
We simply do not have the talent on the lines to compete against NFL playoff teams.
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We had a Top Oline & Running game in 2011.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
“16 if you count the senior bowl’.It is pretty obvious Cork’s New Years resolution to SOS isn’t making any progress.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
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You People need to quit comparing Palmer to HOF’ers, seriously.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Al
Here is a hint.
(It is the lack of player talent).
JR,Fabian,Brayton,Harris, Slaughter, Sands, Warren, Hall,Walker,Moss,Sapp, Seymour,Kelly, Pears, Harris,Ellis, McClain etc. etc.
were very bad, overpaid, way past their prime or some toxic combination of the three.
No one fixes this pile of D*ng in one year.
One year???????????
Playoffs???? Are you kidding me????? Playoffs?????
If it was just coaching why have we had seven different staffs failing to make the playoffs over a decade of futility???????
All the coaches were bad?????????
February 13th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
good to hear RRS.
??no promotion, so you are putting youe feet in motion ?? new job, new baby… yes sir i would say things are looking up !! congrats again sir !!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Kell. PLEASE!!!!
The 2011 Raiders under the beloved Hue were 2-4 against playoff teams winning by an average of 4 points and losing by an average of 15 points per game.
Tom Cable was 5-13 against playoff teams winning by an average of 12 points and losing by an average of 17 points.
THAT IS THE COLD REALITY UNDER SEVEN DIFFERENT COACHING STAFFS.
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I also believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby delaying progress not accelerating it.
We need two really good drafts to be able to compete again. Especially ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE. We simply cannot compete regardless of scheme, time zone, coaching, temperature of the hot dogs and any other meaningless attribute one can think of. WE DO NOT HAVE THE PLAYERS and it will not be fixed by next year.
The 55-20 pounding we took at the hands of the Ravens this year while Ngata and Lewis are laughing it up on the sidelines is a pretty good indicator of how big a gap we really have regarding player talent.
Sure we ran the ball against the Chefs and we played it close against the Browns and Jags w/o Jones Drew.
Who cares?
We get pummeled by good teams along the line of scrimmage.
We simply do not have the talent on the lines to compete against NFL playoff teams.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
8-8…to 4-12….shall we count preseason?
February 13th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
good to hear RRS.
??no promotion, so you are putting youe feet in motion ?? new job, new baby… yes sir i would say things are looking up !! congrats again sir !!
Agreed! Keep moving to that top, Rockstar!
February 13th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Just like Republicans need to quit cutting their own throat by saying stupid things.
You people need to quit comparing Carson Palmer with HOF QB’s, the Founding Fathers, or any of that other silly stuff.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
918,
It does have to do w/ Raiders. Like Palmer or not, if you’re spending all that $$$ on your QB you surround that player with all the tools he needs to succeed to make sure you get the most our of your investment.
Look what they do for Cutler in Chicago. They get him his old QB coach in Denver cuz he didn’t like the one they gave him in Chi. They get rid of Martz cuz Cutler doesn’t like him…Now they get rid of Tice cuz Cutler doesn’t like him..and they even consulted Cutler about the new head coach it was rumored.
Let’s not forget they went out and got him his old primo #1 go to guy Brandon Marshall.
They did all this not just to kiss Cutler’s arse for no reason, but because the QB is the most important position on the team and they want to give him every opportunity to succeed. Especially when they gave up TWO (2) # 1’s AND a # 3 AND their starter Kyle Orton for him.
Palmer? He gets an undrafted rookie who caught 19 passes in college as his “go to guy”.
Whether it’s Palmer, Pryor, Geno or WHOMEVER we have as our QB you better think about getting him some ammunition.
In fairness to Russell…they didn’t give him jack squat. Just sayin’.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
poor russell had to run krapps offense…oh wait.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Hmm it appears that mentioning the Presidents name makes your comments eligible for moderation.
February 13th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Mike,
I applied for bigger things here, but that job went to a guy who has been here 12 years and I’ve only been here 5 years.
he’s an idiot and nobody likes him. worse than that, it became my responsibility to train him
I went to the Prez and said i’ve got mouths to feed, here’s my 2 weeks and he got misty eyed. oh well
February 13th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Lets try another..
president washington
February 13th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
WOW!!!!!!!
That is crazy!!!!!
i mention any u.s president by name and it is fine
yet if you mention the current leader you are a candidate for moderation!!!!!
There is no doubt that this board is a propaganda site!!!!
there is no doubt that some of the most disgusting things i have read here are put therE by the MODS!!!!!
inside the raiders…EXPOSED!!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
1. He had to retain Bush or get a suitable replacement. He let Bush walk supposedly because of lack of money but we are carrying over 4.5 million from last season so it wasn’t money.
2. If he wasn’t going to keep Bush then he had to get a suitable replacement like Benson who he let walk. Also Trindin Haliday was available.
3. Letting Bruce Campbell go was a judgement call but I would have loved to have seen him at NT
4.Knapp
5.ZBS
6.Keeping Seymour and Palmer was a judgement call. Their restructure however was a disaster. Classic example of a rookie being taken to the cleaners. Again, in almost a year and a half Palmer has pocketed almost 30 million
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1. BUSH DID NOT WANT TO BE A RAIDER!!!!!!!! He wasn’t in Alameda when free agency opened. He had no intentions of discussing any signing with Reggie, he was pissed about being slapped with the RFA tag the year before and had already decided he was gone.
2. Cedric Benson did not want to play here for what we offered him. He went to GB because they offered him a STARTING position. Trindon Holliday is not a RB, why is he in the conversation?
3. Reggie is a questionable GM because he didn’t try a failing offensive lineman at NT? Seriously?
4 and 5. Whatever… he corrected his mistake now.
6. Palmer did not GAIN any money from the restructure. A restructure just moves salary to bonus. Reggie didn’t write Palmers contract, the Bengals did. All Reggie did was take Palmers 11 mill salary this year and convert it to bonus money to spread the cap hit. He was on the team the whole year so he would have gotten that money anyways. Not sure where the rest of this 30 million is coming from. You need to work on your math I think
February 13th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
I think they don’t let u say the current prez’s name cuz they don’t want to encourage political discussion.
I don’t think they let u say his opponents name either.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
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You People need to quit comparing Palmer to HOF’ers, seriously.
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Palmer is an excellent player who would command a very high price very quickly. You need to get your head out of your ass.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
President Oblahblahblah’s name is banned because of all the race baiting in here. I questioned it myself, but really this place is to discuss the Raiders and football in general… Politics shouldn’t be in the discussion.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Strong work RRS !!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
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Name the QB who leads in pick sixes in the last decade…………PALMER
February 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
A MASSIVE GAP IN TALENT AGAINST GOOD NFL COMPETITION.
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Isn’t that Palmer and Seymour’s fault?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Nah, you can say Mitt Romney
February 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
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Name the QB who leads in pick sixes in the last decade…………PALMER
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Link please
February 13th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
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You People need to quit comparing Palmer to HOF’ers, seriously.
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Palmer is an excellent player who would command a very high price very quickly. You need to get your head out of your ass.
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54-69 career record and current leader in pick sixes and a known quitter……yeah he is so excellent lmao
February 13th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
We would have been SO good this year if someone would have just assassinated Palmer. The Legend would have brought us to the Super Bowl.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
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Name the QB who leads in pick sixes in the last decade…………PALMER
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Link please
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If you have doubts prove me wrong….I dare ya to
February 13th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
At least B@uce is honest. He just fvcking hates Palmer. I respect that. I even respect Mistic’s opinion of him, just not his tactics of repeating it a billion times… the rest of you flip-floppers who hate him now can suck some donkey d!ck though.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
I dare you Glenny….since he came into the league in 2003 he is leader in pick sixes…..and to top that he didnt even start until 2004
February 13th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Rockstar,
congrats on the coming bundle of joy! children are a blessing.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Hell Palmer had 5 pick sixes in 2010 alone! Glenny did you forget about that too?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Pick Six chart from 1950-2009
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
February 13th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
I don’t have a problem with people for whatever reason hating Carson Palmer. It’s their perrogative. He has his share of warts, pick 6’s, etc. I don’t understand what’s the hate about personally but I can respect the POV.
I kind of do have a problem with the crowd that actively root for him to fail so their man Pryor gets the shot. To me, that’s treason. You root for whoever is the starting QB to do well and win games. Period. End of discussion.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Bcz #947,
nobody wants Palmer to kick the bucket, just take his contract elsewhere. I’m hopeful he’ll do what Vick did and rip up his existing mega-deal and sign a 1-year contract for $7-10 mil plus incentives
the consensus around the league is that he’s not worth the money. Fix the money issue and I think he sticks. Palmer is just the present, not the future. He’s basically a stopgap until we’re able to draft a franchise QB – which obviously won’t happen this year (despite JFB’s best efforts to have us take a flier on Geno Smith at #3)
if Palmer refuses to do anything about his contracts, tell him to kick rocks. We can milk 4-6 wins out of a few cheap free agents like Matt Moore & Kellen Clemens. Heck, maybe Terrelle Pryor steps up and shows something in his 3rd year? I’d certainly make it an open competition at QB, regardless of who is on the roster. no more scholarships!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
WOW!!!!!!!
That is crazy!!!!!
i mention any u.s president by name and it is fine
yet if you mention the current leader you are a candidate for moderation!!!!!
There is no doubt that this board is a propaganda site!!!!
there is no doubt that some of the most disgusting things i have read here are put therE by the MODS!!!!!
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Been that way for at least two years. Did you think no one could spell O bama correctly?
Now, had they moderated you every time you mentioned Palmer…
inside the raiders…EXPOSED!!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Pick Six Palmer has no heart.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
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You People need to quit comparing Palmer to HOF’ers, seriously.
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Palmer is an excellent player who would command a very high price very quickly. You need to get your head out of your ass.
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54-69 career record and current leader in pick sixes and a known quitter……yeah he is so excellent lmao
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Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
missdick getting paranoid. the white moderators are out to get him and not letting “valuable information” get thru.
if ur a smart as a grade schooler, u can get any word in here.
there are ridiculously disgusting sexual fantasies and bigotry allowed in here everyday.
even one poster saying he wants to use his machete to kill whitey.
and the dummy can’t figure out why the prez’s name might be filtered along with the major curse words.
did u hear me dumbbell? al FILTER with key words. trying to prevent certain words from being posted, as well as certain political discussions.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
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?? 51 ??
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Hell Palmer had 5 pick sixes in 2010 alone! Glenny did you forget about that too?
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Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
This draft is going to tell me alot about Reggie.
We were 7 million under the cap last season at one point–no retention of M Bush
The landmine of Seymore’s contract was blown.
The Knapp ZBS debacle (admitted to by Reggie & DA)
Now we have to cut T Kelly, DHB and Carson Palmer to pick up any quality FAs. Leaving us with TP and the Green Bay practice squad.
If Reggie does not make great moves in this draft this team will not get past 8-8 until about 2015–if we are lucky.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
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?? 51 ??
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Good answer. Now, how many of them can actually play?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
NONE of these teams had been losing for 10 YEARS in a row AND missed on 1st round pick after 1st round pick (meaning no talent to build on by the time Reggie came here).
Oh, and Reggie, no 1st or 2nd round picks. Make it work.
Nah.
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This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year,….see below
2006 Browns 4-12
2007 Browns 10-6
2006 Redskins 5-11
2007 Redskins 9-7
2006 TB 4-12
2007 TB 9-7
2007 Ravens 5-11
2008 Ravens 11-5
2007 Falcons 4-12
2008 Falcons 11-5
2008 Bengals 4-11-1
2009 Bengals 10-6
2009 KC 4-12
2010 KC10-6
2009 TB 3-13
2010 TB10-6
2009 ST L 1-15
2010 STL 7-9
2010 Bengals 4-12
2011 Bengals 9-7(w/o CP3)
2010 Broncos 4-12
2011 Broncos 8-8(1st place)
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Hello
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
I think he said from 2003….
Put players around him, I can’t wait if that is true!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
bcz24 Says:
At least B@uce is honest. He just fvcking hates Palmer.
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USC. Ask B@uce if he would’ve welcomed Montana or Young after they had played for the whiners.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Pick Six Palmer has no heart.
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u honestly have to be the most pointless poster in here.
and btw, reggie didn’t hire knapp. allen did.
u apparently don’t even know how these things work, so ur juvenile opinion means nothing.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I just discovered saying B@uce’s name won’t allow you to post.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
What your point proves is that football is a team game. If you put Steve Young or Dan Marino on a terrible team with no defense, would they lose games? Yes. Does that mean they suck? No.
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You People need to quit comparing Palmer to HOF’ers, seriously.
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Palmer is an excellent player who would command a very high price very quickly. You need to get your head out of your ass.
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54-69 career record and current leader in pick sixes and a known quitter……yeah he is so excellent lmao
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Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
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THIS IS PROOF I’m killing Glenn everyone lol
Great compare him to a HOF qb and SB MVP lol…..how old is Palmer now? how old was Steve when he went to SF? Palmer had close to a decade of losing and he had damn good players around him in cincy and took over a first place team here and do nada…..this is such a garbage response Glenny….you are better than this
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Good answer. Now, how many of them can actually play?
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February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
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?? 51 ??
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Good answer. Now, how many of them can actually play?
What happened to the 52nd player? Oh, that was the gaping hole coming into sack Palmer? LOL
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
963.Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Steve Young was 3-16 with Tampon Bay. 11 TD’s. 21 Picks. Then he got players around him. Then he went to the Hall of Fame. How many players are around Palmer again?
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?? 51 ??
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Good answer. Now, how many of them can actually play?
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All 51 are active players
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
does anyone UNDERSTAND that the reason Palmer’s $ for this coming season is so HIGH is because last year he played (after restructuring) for the veteran MINIMUM??
He played for less than $1 million last year. So in essence his cap hit is 2 years, $15 million.
Of course he’ll restructure again. Players actually GAIN money when they do.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I just discovered saying B@uce’s name won’t allow you to post.
Yeah, been that way for awhile…at least now you can spell his name and it will post. (Real name). Before you couldn’t either…
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Hell Palmer had 5 pick sixes in 2010 alone! Glenny did you forget about that too?
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Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
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don’t use logic. don’t u know that those qb’s all sucked just like palmer, until they won a super bowl. then they were magically delicious.
no brain power at work.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
bcz24 Says:
At least B@uce is honest. He just fvcking hates Palmer.
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USC. Ask B@uce if he would’ve welcomed Montana or Young after they had played for the whiners.
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Rice i hated…Craig I hate…Lott I hated…Garner I hated….only one who I give a pass to was Rod Woodson….he said he wasnt comfortable in SF in 97…and for good reason LMAO…he loves Oakland….and dont mention Plunkett….he was with SF when they werent the devil and every minute of his life is dedicated to the Raiders
February 13th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
Seems there’s only one source for the pick 6 stat and that’s that Pro Football Reference site and it only goes to 2010.
Seems like Palmer’s disastrous 2010 season did him in. B@uce is correct that he had 5 pick 6’s that yr.
My records show he has had 3 pick 6’s with the Raiders.
Does that jive with ya’alls records?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Of course he’ll restructure again. Players actually GAIN money when they do.
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course they do. how is that we are still paying for Kevin Boss this next year?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Hell Palmer had 5 pick sixes in 2010 alone! Glenny did you forget about that too?
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Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce
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Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?
Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
bcz24 Says:
At least B@uce is honest. He just fvcking hates Palmer.
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USC. Ask B@uce if he would’ve welcomed Montana or Young after they had played for the whiners.
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Rice i hated…Craig I hate…Lott I hated…Garner I hated….only one who I give a pass to was Rod Woodson….he said he wasnt comfortable in SF in 97…and for good reason LMAO…he loves Oakland….and dont mention Plunkett….he was with SF when they werent the devil and every minute of his life is dedicated to the Raiders
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hey moron. it’s a business to these people. they aren’t dumb fans. they play for whoever drafts them and then gives them the most money. they’re worried about their families, not the jersey.
u know, like grown men.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
953.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Pick Six chart from 1950-2009
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
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Palmer has doubled his total pick 6’s since that article.
2010- 5 (1 against NE, TB, IND, 2 at Pit)
2011- 2 (1 KC, 1 Mia)
2012- 2 (1 Atl, 1 TB)
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
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Thanks for sticking on topic Glenny…..I said in last decade…..last decade….do you know what that means? 10 seasons if you dont know……your football acumen is definitely lacking Glenny….youre the fool who thought Farglass was better than DMAC….youre the fool who also said Russell was a QB lol…..if I dont know football then that makes me quite superior to you
February 13th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
2013 folks:
Palmer is not the only one that will need to restructure.
“Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap for 2013. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again. But they should be able to do a little more than they did last year.”
“Fans who pined for the Jon Gruden fantasy to materialize should prepare for a more simple reality: McKenzie and Allen rolling up their sleeves and embarking on year two.
In some ways, the second year will be a lot like the first — lots of changes to the roster.”
“I know we have some guys that are going to be the core of what we want and the type of players we want,” Allen said. “I also know we’ve got some work to do to get more of those types of players.”
“Those players will be found within a budget, because McKenzie does not believe in running up huge salary cap overages as Al Davis did, and the Raiders are believed to be close to the projected $121 million figure for 2013.
McKenzie told reporters Nov. 30 the Raiders would be in position “to do some things” but lamented he didn’t see being able to bring aboard a big-ticket free agent in the way the Packers did with Charles Woodson when he was Director of Operations in Green Bay.
That means that players with salaries that appear to exceed their production are candidates to be traded or released. McKenzie is currently without second- and fifth-round draft picks.”
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain, scheduled to make $4 million, will be released when it makes the most sense with regard to the salary cap.
Others whose financial commitments could be an issue include wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey ($7,721,000 salary) and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6.5 million salary, with potential bonuses up to $9.4 million).”
“The Raiders are making changes to their offensive staff. It may take a couple of years to dig themselves out of a terrible cap situation that this regime inherited.”
“The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup and play this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better in 2013.”
“Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”
February 13th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
THIS IS PROOF I’m killing Glenn everyone lol
Great compare him to a HOF qb and SB MVP lol…..how old is Palmer now? how old was Steve when he went to SF? Palmer had close to a decade of losing and he had damn good players around him in cincy and took over a first place team here and do nada…..this is such a garbage response Glenny….you are better than this
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You gotta change your handle to flowing-in-weaksauce. You keep missing the point. But then again, you’ve been advocating things that went out of the game in the 1950’s. Once again, SB winning players have HOF guys around them. They all do. How many HOF guys is Palmer playing with right now? How’s about with the Bungholes? Come on weaksauce…
February 13th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
I see Oakglenn is making a dunce of himself as usual.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
And you guys comparing Palmer to HOF qbs(as Kell said) is embarrassing…..thanks for highlighting Marino who can make back to back appearances in postseason and win playoff games including winning one in his last season on the road
Did someone mention Favre who constantly made playoffs back to back and won MVPs and a title?
Whoa someone mentioned Namath? Really do I even need to go there about him?
Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?
Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
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17 marino 86.4
19 palmer 86.2
20 favre 86.0
154 namath 65.5
looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.
dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
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Name the QB who leads in pick sixes in the last decade…………PALMER
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Thought it was Farve even being out of league last couple of years and thought Rivers also had more. Do you have a source besides Silver and Black Blog or the likes…
February 13th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
This whole talk of Palmer is ridiculous. If we are lucky this General manager and Ownership care about winning and try to get Palmer to restructure.
Something tells me that we will get rid of Palmer, DHB and Kelly be 20 million under the cap and sign:
Greg Van Roten 3d string RG of the GB packers
The excuse next year: “We lost our starting QB to the Salary Cap…Munch…Munch…Damn these Pancakes are good!”
February 13th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Al Davis loved former 49er player’s. I enjoyed Rice’s 1,000 yard seasons as a Raider. He looked good in silver and black and 49er fans hated it. The 49ers are good at screwing over their legends.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
I see Oakglenn is making a dunce of himself as usual.
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says the guy who thinks reggie hired knapp. and can’t think of anything to say but fire reggie now. over and over. who’s the dunce?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
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Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
the white moderators are out to get him and not letting “valuable information” get thru.
he wants to use his machete to
kill whitey.
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I have never said either of these
you are a disgusting sad little liar
February 13th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
You are Glenny.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
THIS IS PROOF I’m killing Glenn everyone lol
Great compare him to a HOF qb and SB MVP lol…..how old is Palmer now? how old was Steve when he went to SF? Palmer had close to a decade of losing and he had damn good players around him in cincy and took over a first place team here and do nada…..this is such a garbage response Glenny….you are better than this
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You gotta change your handle to flowing-in-weaksauce. You keep missing the point. But then again, you’ve been advocating things that went out of the game in the 1950’s. Once again, SB winning players have HOF guys around them. They all do. How many HOF guys is Palmer playing with right now? How’s about with the Bungholes? Come on weaksauce…
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Typical glenny…..no substance no flavor to his posts….just dry wanna be humor in the mold of Senorita Beecher
Advocating things that havent been since 50s? You make zero sense….guess you are on your period this week
Palmer is not on level of a SB winning QB…we’ve already established that….let’s talk about guys just winning playoff games or making back to back playoff runs…..many guys who arent elite have done that….why cant Palmer?
Mentioning Bengals further puts you in the hole because for first time ever in history of franchise they made back to back playoff appearances as soon as Palmer QUIT.
Palmer had pro bowlers around him in Cincy so dont give me your chicken schit excuses
February 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
991.bigsnow81 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Al Davis loved former 49er player’s. I enjoyed Rice’s 1,000 yard seasons as a Raider. He looked good in silver and black and 49er fans hated it. The 49ers are good at screwing over their legends.
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Yeah i reserve my hate for former 9ers who don’t produce in Silver & Black. Kwame Harris is right at the top of that list.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
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Thanks for sticking on topic Glenny…..I said in last decade…..
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Gosh weaksauce, I was just trying to broaden your horizons to other decades, but you missed that point too. But you still want to draft a 395 pound nose tackle with our lst pick even tho he would be a one down player. That went out in the 1950’s weaksauce.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Since Palmer throws an average number of Pic Sixes I think we need to call all QBs Pic six [Insert Name]
Pic Six Brees, Pic Six Brady, Pic Six Manning wow this is so orginal isn’t it!
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Name the QB who leads in pick sixes in the last decade…………PALMER
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Thought it was Farve even being out of league last couple of years and thought Rivers also had more. Do you have a source besides Silver and Black Blog or the likes…
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Its called memory and we discussed his propensity to throw picks sixes when he first got here….come on we all went in depth on this
February 13th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
525.Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
I have said this at least 100 times on this blog. How much do any of you think that Rich Seymour had to do with the development of undrafted Desmond Bryant or Matt Shaughnessy? Do any of you really think those guys just turned out to be good players out of nowhere on their own? Without a lst ballot HOF helping them?
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I’m sure Big Rich helped out those young guys tremendously. He more than likely told them things like “yall should go to practice everyday, don’t take plays off, don’t take games off, and please don’t punch QBs in the face and get thrown out the game.”
Chris Johnson was 100% speaking off Big Rich when he said the big name guys who should be leaders are not leaders at all.
EEEfffff Seymour. If I was Reggie I would take twice the cap hit to keep that mofo out of our Locker room next season. And I would get Harvey Updyke to go pay his backyard tree a visit.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?
Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
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17 marino 86.4
19 palmer 86.2
20 favre 86.0
154 namath 65.5
looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.
dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
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Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao
February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
the white moderators are out to get him and not letting “valuable information” get thru.
he wants to use his machete to
kill whitey.
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I have never said either of these
you are a disgusting sad little liar
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u said:
There is no doubt that this board is a propaganda site!!!!
there is no doubt that some of the most disgusting things i have read here are put therE by the MODS!!!!!
and u said u wanted to chop off the heads (kill, in case u think they would survive) of ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do.
it’s not hard to follow the dots.
ur a coward who denies saying what he’s really saying. what a puzzy. at least just say it. ur not fooling anyone. u think ur running a word game that “confuses” ur enemy. but ur not smart enuff to do it, nor to realize that everyone laugfhs at ur transparency.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
The 49ers released Rice for Terrell Owens to boot, LMAO funk em’
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
953.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Pick Six chart from 1950-2009
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
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Palmer has doubled his total pick 6’s since that article.
2010- 5 (1 against NE, TB, IND, 2 at Pit)
2011- 2 (1 KC, 1 Mia)
2012- 2 (1 Atl, 1 TB)
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In 2012 wasn’t that pick 6 against New Orleans instead of Tampa?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
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Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.
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I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
Raiders were 4-2 before Palmer went 4-5 down stretch lol…thank you
February 13th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Typical glenny…..no substance no flavor to his posts….just dry wanna be humor in the mold of Senorita Beecher
Advocating things that havent been since 50s? You make zero sense….guess you are on your period this week
Palmer is not on level of a SB winning QB…we’ve already established that….let’s talk about guys just winning playoff games or making back to back playoff runs…..many guys who arent elite have done that….why cant Palmer?
Mentioning Bengals further puts you in the hole because for first time ever in history of franchise they made back to back playoff appearances as soon as Palmer QUIT.
Palmer had pro bowlers around him in Cincy so dont give me your chicken schit excuses
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typical troll hyena.
u makes no sense and logic is beyond u. then u say everyone else doesn’t make sense, when they do. u laugh hysterically and claim victory. then say “this is too easy. next. LOL!”
moronic.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
This is a sad day in Raiderland the fans are at each other’s throats about Carson Palmer versus Terrell Pryor.
But even if we go TP next year WE ARE NOT SURROUNDING either QB with talent. NO WRS, NO SHORT YARDAGE RB. Opposing Defenses will stack 8 in the box TP will evade them for 15 seconds throw to a wide open WR who will drop the ball or fumble or run the wrong route.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Palmer is not HOF worthy, best Raider QB since Gammon.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Its called memory and we discussed his propensity to throw picks sixes when he first got here….come on we all went in depth on this
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weaksauce is backpedaling. But still can’t cover.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
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Thanks for sticking on topic Glenny…..I said in last decade…..
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Gosh weaksauce, I was just trying to broaden your horizons to other decades, but you missed that point too. But you still want to draft a 395 pound nose tackle with our lst pick even tho he would be a one down player. That went out in the 1950’s weaksauce.
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Glenda……Palmer has been in league for the last decade lol…..him time in NFL was the topic….what are you missing about that?
Yes I’ll take a big NT….you still see our run defense stinks….and your phag DT combo has done schit to help it out thats why they wuill be cut…..thanks for playing
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
This is a sad day in Raiderland the fans are at each other’s throats about Carson Palmer versus Terrell Pryor.
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Naaa, just having some fun. Will be back later.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
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Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.
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He did lead Cincy to the playoffs for the first time in 15 seasons and had a winning college career. In fact led the Cincy to the playoffs twice.
Not much success with the w/l record since then.
Proven loser seems a little unfair.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?
Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
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17 marino 86.4
19 palmer 86.2
20 favre 86.0
154 namath 65.5
looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.
dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
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Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao
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exactly dummy. his TEAM’S have not been good. do understand the concept?
and why are u always LOLing and LMAOing? desperation hyena?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Its called memory and we discussed his propensity to throw picks sixes when he first got here….come on we all went in depth on this
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weaksauce is backpedaling. But still can’t cover.
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How is that backpedaling? Glenda you havent even made a move yet….just lil stationary girl selling girl scout cookies
February 13th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?
Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
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17 marino 86.4
19 palmer 86.2
20 favre 86.0
154 namath 65.5
looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.
dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
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Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao
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exactly dummy. his TEAM’S have not been good. do understand the concept?
and why are u always LOLing and LMAOing? desperation hyena?
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The L in those acronyms means I’m laughing….happy to educate ya today RobertaMR
February 13th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
And Glenda…I asked you to prove me wrong about Palmer leading in pick sixes since coming into NFL……if you cant prove me wrong then shut the fk up and eat some Granola Bars you liberal sissy
February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
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exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Palmer’s been in the NFL 9 years. 0-2 in Playoff games. And some nut is comparing him to Joe Namath, Steve Young, Dan Marino???????
February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
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Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.
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He did lead Cincy to the playoffs for the first time in 15 seasons and had a winning college career. In fact led the Cincy to the playoffs twice.
Not much success with the w/l record since then.
Proven loser seems a little unfair.
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Palmer was terrible the first 3 years at USC and this isnt even up for debate….I’ve always been weary about guys being drafted so high when they only balled one season in college….at the end especially
February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
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exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.
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So you going to NFL combine next weekend RobertaMR? LOL
February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
You could say then that Palmer is actually getting better as his pick 6’s have gone down since 2010 season.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
The L in those acronyms means I’m laughing….happy to educate ya today RobertaMR
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yes, hyena. laughing and laughing hysterically even when there is no reason to. ur not winning. ur making a complete azz of urself. showing ur complete lack of ability to evaluate players based on performance.
all u see is WINS, which are a team stat. u have no football acumen.
now laugh some more hyena.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Raiders were 4-2 before Palmer went 4-5 down stretch lol…thank you
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Did they have much of a running game during that 4-2 run?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
dr slob
your an idiot
you want to put words in my mouth, but taking things out of context is lying.
also the follwoing statment is something you made up
“ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do”
This isnt what i said .
you are a pathetic little liar and your connecting the so called dots is nothing more than a weak fabrication
screw off
February 13th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
brb….gotta make a quick run…i’ll dice you fools some more later
February 13th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
You have to excuse that 2006 year or whatever year that was when Palmer’s knees was taken out. They owned the Steelers that year and who knows, may have won the Super Bowl that year…its the what if game again…
But because he did get hurt, no one will know…
February 13th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Palmer’s been in the NFL 9 years. 0-2 in Playoff games. And some nut is comparing him to Joe Namath, Steve Young, Dan Marino???????
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he is far better than namath, who had one good season, and was a charismatic personality.
his stats are comparable to marino.
young was maybe the best off all time.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
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exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.
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So you going to NFL combine next weekend RobertaMR? LOL
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there are levels of knowledge.
there’s
1–housewife
3–u and other know-nothing fans
7–me
10–nfl scouts
February 13th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
brb….gotta make a quick run…i’ll dice you fools some more later
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claiming pretend victories, even when he’s getting demolished.
just like beech.
now say MR and LOL a bunch of times.
February 13th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Seymour
Do you think Palmer get’s voted into the Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
1. BUSH DID NOT WANT TO BE A RAIDER!!!!!!!! He wasn’t in Alameda when free agency opened. He had no intentions of discussing any signing with Reggie, he was pissed about being slapped with the RFA tag the year before and had already decided he was gone.
Fair enough. The prevailing party line has been that Bush wasn’t retained because RM didn’t have the money. Bush not wanting to be here makes a lot more sense. However, as I stated it was crucial that he replace Bush with comparable talent. To your point, it was Benson who I read opted not to be here.
2. Cedric Benson did not want to play here for what we offered him. He went to GB because they offered him a STARTING position. Trindon Holliday is not a RB, why is he in the conversation?
Again, RM had to get comparable talent. He didn’t. That’s his job. Trindon Holliday was listed as an example of prime talent we failed to pick up. I did not list him as an example of running back. Yes this is some second guessing but there were some gems RM didn’t get.
3. Reggie is a questionable GM because he didn’t try a failing offensive lineman at NT? Seriously?
No not seriously. That was added parenthetically. Letting Bruce go was a judgement call but you have no idea if he was failing or not because he wasn’t being played. I don’t know and neither do you why that was the case.
4 and 5. Whatever… he corrected his mistake now.
True. Some would say better late than never but he did make the correction.
6. Palmer did not GAIN any money from the restructure. A restructure just moves salary to bonus.
Absolutely incorrect. At minimum he gained 7.5 million.
Reggie didn’t write Palmer’s contract, the Bengals did.
Absolutely incorrect. The Raiders wrote Palmer’s contract based upon Palmer’s previous contract with the Bengals. Hue restructured Palmer’s contract. Palmer was to get approximately 7 million in 2011 for a shortened season but restructured that down (given the available reports)to about 3 to about 4 million in exchanged for a 12.5 million salary in 2012, 5 million of which was guaranteed as a roster bonus. In 2012 he received his 5 million as roster bonus. Then he restructured again receiving 7.5 million as a roster bonus incentive. In addition to that they took his 12.5 million 2012 salary and converted it to about a million in salary and the remainder 11 million to bonus money spread out over 5 years.
All Reggie did was take Palmers 11 mill salary this year and convert it to bonus money to spread the cap hit.
Absolutely incorrect. See above.
He was on the team the whole year so he would have gotten that money anyways.
Correct
Not sure where the rest of this 30 million is coming from. You need to work on your math I think
4+5+7.5+12.5= 29
February 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
Seymour
Do you think Palmer get’s voted into the Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot?
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He’s not in yet!?
February 13th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
dr slob
your an idiot
you want to put words in my mouth, but taking things out of context is lying.
also the follwoing statment is something you made up
“ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do”
This isnt what i said .
you are a pathetic little liar and your connecting the so called dots is nothing more than a weak fabrication
screw off
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u said u want to chop the heads off ur enemies, which u said included me.
u said ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s racist system, which was built on slavery.
u said i am one of those people, since i’m white, even though my family came here after slavery was abolished, and have always been Northern liberal Catholic yankees.
follow logic. i’m white and therefore ur enemy. u want to chop my head off. u want to kill me cuz i’m white.
just admit it coward.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
You could say then that Palmer is actually getting better as his pick 6’s have gone down since 2010 season.
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If taht is the case then we are doomed with him as the qb ( like i told you before he signed)
if that is the measuring stick then as fans we all need to raise our standards
this will not be a bargaining chip for palmer at negotiation table (or we are doomed with davis and big mack)
there is simply no way out from under 37 turnovers in 24 games and a hideous 8-16 record.
You really cant blame the raider for palmers failings, he posted only 4 wins before being sent packing in cincy after his little hissy fit with m brown failed to move the needle.
In fact palmer hasnt won more than 4 games in each of his last 3 seasons!!
wait it gets worse
In a total of 9 years pro PALMER HAS ONLY MANGED TO TO WIN 8 GAMES OR MORE 3 TIMES!!!!!
HE HAS POSTED LOSING RECORDS 6/9 YEARS!!!
what more proof do you need
the guy stinks flat out
February 13th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
dr slob said
u said ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s racist system, which was built on slavery.
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I never made that statement
lol
repeating a lie wont make it truth devil
gtfoh
February 13th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
@Follow the B@uceman
You getting season tickets this year?
February 13th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
palmers career says he has only posted wining season (8 or more wins) in 6/9 years 1/3 of his time
plamers record here is 8-16, he has only won a 3rd of his games in oakland
Coincidence?
February 13th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here.
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SeyGlenn,
Raiders were 12-10 since the start of 2011 before Palmer arrived.
we are 8-18 since then.
Bengals ditched Palmer and went from 4-12 (2010) to playoffs in consecutive years (2011 & 2012)
slap yourself!!
February 13th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
correction:
since the start of 2010 *
February 13th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
“Palmer was due a $12.5 million base salary for 2012 on his deal with $5 million of that figure fully guaranteed for skill, injury and cap.
According to a league source, Palmer has now reduced his base salary to $825,000 for 2012. That salary is fully guaranteed for skill, injury and cap with $11.675 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus.”
Note that this article says the 11.675 is a roster bonus. As a roster bonus it cannot be spread out over multiple years. Any money being listed as spread out over multiple years does not include this 12 million.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Logic,
thats exactly right. Palmer cost next to nothing versus the cap last year, but received a check from Mark Davis for almost $12 million.
thats why JFB keeps telling YOU PEOPLE that he’s not guaranteed anything this year. that restructure didn’t kick the can down the road and cause us a huge cap hit for future years
February 13th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
new post
Go Steve!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Didn’t exactly answer you’re question, but that’s kinda what these guys do for a living. There shouldn’t be any major surprises on either side, IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMenVpuvW8U
March 1st, 2013 at 5:17 am
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