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Seymour decision haunting Raiders

By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, February 12th, 2013 at 1:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.

General manager Reggie McKenzie inherited a Raiders roster, he said, with “out-of-whack” contracts last season. As a result, he made a series of drastic moves designed to bring the situation under control.
Of note, he waived No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley soon after he was hired. Several other moves, including restructuring numerous contracts, helped the Raiders free up enough salary-cap space so that the Raiders could sign a handful of new players.
However, the one move McKenzie didn’t make is coming home to roost. McKenzie opted to keep aging defensive tackle Richard Seymour for one more season. As it turned out, Seymour played only eight games and didn’t have anywhere near the desired impact.
His biggest impact is going to be on this year’s salary cap, with Seymour counting for almost $14 million in so-called “dead money.” Put another way, almost one-eighth of their $121 million salary cap in 2013 is going to come from Seymour’s voided contract.
The Raiders would have been better off absorbing the blow of severing ties with Seymour last season, when it was apparent that they needed to deal with the contracts McKenzie considered out of whack.
As it stands, the Raiders are right up against the projected cap for 2013, with room needed in the coming days to re-sign some of their prospective free agents, other teams’ free agents and their 2013 draft picks.
Fortunately for McKenzie and the Raiders, there are a few viable options to get to where they need to be.
The obvious targets cutting or restructuring the contracts of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly. Cutting these two veterans would free up $10 million in cap space.
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer, a risky move, and turning over the keys to the offense to third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor or a veteran signed in free agency.
The more likely scenario involves restrructuring Palmer’s contract, as they did last offseason, so that it’s more cap friendly in 2013. The Raiders simply can’t afford to have Seymour and Palmer eat up approximately one-fourth of their cap space in 2013.
Beyond that, there’s not much else McKenzie can do this season, except to cut other veterans that free up a million here and a million there.
On the bright side, McKenzie is making strides toward getting the salary cap more in the Raiders favor. He can keep it that way by avoiding contracts such as the one given Seymour and made worse by keeping him around too long.

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  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?

    Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
    **************

    17 marino 86.4
    19 palmer 86.2
    20 favre 86.0
    154 namath 65.5

    looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.

    dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
    *********************

    Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao

  • dr_robert

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:20 pm

    the white moderators are out to get him and not letting “valuable information” get thru.

    he wants to use his machete to
    kill whitey.
    ======================

    I have never said either of these

    you are a disgusting sad little liar

    **************

    u said:

    There is no doubt that this board is a propaganda site!!!!

    there is no doubt that some of the most disgusting things i have read here are put therE by the MODS!!!!!

    and u said u wanted to chop off the heads (kill, in case u think they would survive) of ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do.

    it’s not hard to follow the dots.

    ur a coward who denies saying what he’s really saying. what a puzzy. at least just say it. ur not fooling anyone. u think ur running a word game that “confuses” ur enemy. but ur not smart enuff to do it, nor to realize that everyone laugfhs at ur transparency.

  • bigsnow81

    The 49ers released Rice for Terrell Owens to boot, LMAO funk em’

  • DJ Johnny

    Bcz24 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
    953.DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
    Pick Six chart from 1950-2009

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
    ***************
    Palmer has doubled his total pick 6’s since that article.

    2010- 5 (1 against NE, TB, IND, 2 at Pit)
    2011- 2 (1 KC, 1 Mia)
    2012- 2 (1 Atl, 1 TB)

    In 2012 wasn’t that pick 6 against New Orleans instead of Tampa?

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
    ==========================================

    Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.
    **********************

    I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you

    Raiders were 4-2 before Palmer went 4-5 down stretch lol…thank you

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:35 pm

    Typical glenny…..no substance no flavor to his posts….just dry wanna be humor in the mold of Senorita Beecher

    Advocating things that havent been since 50s? You make zero sense….guess you are on your period this week

    Palmer is not on level of a SB winning QB…we’ve already established that….let’s talk about guys just winning playoff games or making back to back playoff runs…..many guys who arent elite have done that….why cant Palmer?

    Mentioning Bengals further puts you in the hole because for first time ever in history of franchise they made back to back playoff appearances as soon as Palmer QUIT.

    Palmer had pro bowlers around him in Cincy so dont give me your chicken schit excuses
    *************

    typical troll hyena.

    u makes no sense and logic is beyond u. then u say everyone else doesn’t make sense, when they do. u laugh hysterically and claim victory. then say “this is too easy. next. LOL!”

    moronic.

  • raidertalk

    This is a sad day in Raiderland the fans are at each other’s throats about Carson Palmer versus Terrell Pryor.

    But even if we go TP next year WE ARE NOT SURROUNDING either QB with talent. NO WRS, NO SHORT YARDAGE RB. Opposing Defenses will stack 8 in the box TP will evade them for 15 seconds throw to a wide open WR who will drop the ball or fumble or run the wrong route.

  • bigsnow81

    Palmer is not HOF worthy, best Raider QB since Gammon.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Its called memory and we discussed his propensity to throw picks sixes when he first got here….come on we all went in depth on this
    ========================================

    weaksauce is backpedaling. But still can’t cover.

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
    Follow the B@uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:28 pm

    Based on that chart the top three in pick sixes are Farve, Marino and Namath. All Hall of Famers. You don’t know much about football do you sauce?
    ************************

    Thanks for sticking on topic Glenny…..I said in last decade…..
    ========================================

    Gosh weaksauce, I was just trying to broaden your horizons to other decades, but you missed that point too. But you still want to draft a 395 pound nose tackle with our lst pick even tho he would be a one down player. That went out in the 1950’s weaksauce.
    **********************

    Glenda……Palmer has been in league for the last decade lol…..him time in NFL was the topic….what are you missing about that?

    Yes I’ll take a big NT….you still see our run defense stinks….and your phag DT combo has done schit to help it out thats why they wuill be cut…..thanks for playing

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    raidertalk Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:40 pm

    This is a sad day in Raiderland the fans are at each other’s throats about Carson Palmer versus Terrell Pryor.
    ====================================

    Naaa, just having some fun. Will be back later.

  • DJ Johnny

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
    ==========================================

    Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.

    He did lead Cincy to the playoffs for the first time in 15 seasons and had a winning college career. In fact led the Cincy to the playoffs twice.

    Not much success with the w/l record since then.

    Proven loser seems a little unfair.

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?

    Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
    **************

    17 marino 86.4
    19 palmer 86.2
    20 favre 86.0
    154 namath 65.5

    looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.

    dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
    *********************

    Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao

    **********

    exactly dummy. his TEAM’S have not been good. do understand the concept?

    and why are u always LOLing and LMAOing? desperation hyena?

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
    Its called memory and we discussed his propensity to throw picks sixes when he first got here….come on we all went in depth on this
    ========================================

    weaksauce is backpedaling. But still can’t cover.
    ********************

    How is that backpedaling? Glenda you havent even made a move yet….just lil stationary girl selling girl scout cookies

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:27 pm

    Dumbass, Carson Palmer is No Hall Of Famer, ok?

    Nowhere close to being a Hall of Famer.
    **************

    17 marino 86.4
    19 palmer 86.2
    20 favre 86.0
    154 namath 65.5

    looks like one unlucky guy has been stuck on some bad teams while passing like an all-time great.

    dumb fans and even dumb media don’t know the game.
    *********************

    Yeah so unlucky to not even win a playoff game ever lmao

    **********

    exactly dummy. his TEAM’S have not been good. do understand the concept?

    and why are u always LOLing and LMAOing? desperation hyena?
    ************************

    The L in those acronyms means I’m laughing….happy to educate ya today RobertaMR

  • Follow the B@uceman

    And Glenda…I asked you to prove me wrong about Palmer leading in pick sixes since coming into NFL……if you cant prove me wrong then shut the fk up and eat some Granola Bars you liberal sissy

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
    ****************

    exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Palmer’s been in the NFL 9 years. 0-2 in Playoff games. And some nut is comparing him to Joe Namath, Steve Young, Dan Marino???????

  • Follow the B@uceman

    DJ Johnny Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
    Palmer has no biz being compared to that level because he is not. He is a proven loser!
    ==========================================

    Actually weaksauceman, the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here. Unless, naaaa, even Manning couldn’t rescue this mess.

    He did lead Cincy to the playoffs for the first time in 15 seasons and had a winning college career. In fact led the Cincy to the playoffs twice.

    Not much success with the w/l record since then.

    Proven loser seems a little unfair.
    ***********************

    Palmer was terrible the first 3 years at USC and this isnt even up for debate….I’ve always been weary about guys being drafted so high when they only balled one season in college….at the end especially

  • Follow the B@uceman

    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
    ****************

    exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.
    ****************

    So you going to NFL combine next weekend RobertaMR? LOL

  • DJ Johnny

    You could say then that Palmer is actually getting better as his pick 6′s have gone down since 2010 season.

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:43 pm

    The L in those acronyms means I’m laughing….happy to educate ya today RobertaMR

    ************

    yes, hyena. laughing and laughing hysterically even when there is no reason to. ur not winning. ur making a complete azz of urself. showing ur complete lack of ability to evaluate players based on performance.

    all u see is WINS, which are a team stat. u have no football acumen.

    now laugh some more hyena.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Follow the B@uceman Says:
    Raiders were 4-2 before Palmer went 4-5 down stretch lol…thank you
    =====================================================

    Did they have much of a running game during that 4-2 run?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    dr slob

    your an idiot

    you want to put words in my mouth, but taking things out of context is lying.

    also the follwoing statment is something you made up

    “ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do”

    This isnt what i said .

    you are a pathetic little liar and your connecting the so called dots is nothing more than a weak fabrication

    screw off

  • Follow the B@uceman

    brb….gotta make a quick run…i’ll dice you fools some more later

  • hwnrdr

    You have to excuse that 2006 year or whatever year that was when Palmer’s knees was taken out. They owned the Steelers that year and who knows, may have won the Super Bowl that year…its the what if game again…
    But because he did get hurt, no one will know…

  • dr_robert

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Palmer’s been in the NFL 9 years. 0-2 in Playoff games. And some nut is comparing him to Joe Namath, Steve Young, Dan Marino???????
    **********

    he is far better than namath, who had one good season, and was a charismatic personality.

    his stats are comparable to marino.

    young was maybe the best off all time.

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:39 pm

    I look into the Raiders trophy case and then I look into the Bengals trophy case…..thank you
    ****************

    exactly. a typical dumb fan who doesn’t know how to evaluate players unless they won a super bowl. a complete lack of problem solving ability and logic. can not for the life of him, figure out what a good player is unless they are on a winning team.
    ****************

    So you going to NFL combine next weekend RobertaMR? LOL
    ************

    there are levels of knowledge.

    there’s
    1–housewife
    3–u and other know-nothing fans
    7–me
    10–nfl scouts

  • dr_robert

    Follow The B@Uceman Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
    brb….gotta make a quick run…i’ll dice you fools some more later
    **********

    claiming pretend victories, even when he’s getting demolished.

    just like beech.

    now say MR and LOL a bunch of times.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Seymour

    Do you think Palmer get’s voted into the Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot?

  • logic82

    1. BUSH DID NOT WANT TO BE A RAIDER!!!!!!!! He wasn’t in Alameda when free agency opened. He had no intentions of discussing any signing with Reggie, he was pissed about being slapped with the RFA tag the year before and had already decided he was gone.

    Fair enough. The prevailing party line has been that Bush wasn’t retained because RM didn’t have the money. Bush not wanting to be here makes a lot more sense. However, as I stated it was crucial that he replace Bush with comparable talent. To your point, it was Benson who I read opted not to be here.
    2. Cedric Benson did not want to play here for what we offered him. He went to GB because they offered him a STARTING position. Trindon Holliday is not a RB, why is he in the conversation?

    Again, RM had to get comparable talent. He didn’t. That’s his job. Trindon Holliday was listed as an example of prime talent we failed to pick up. I did not list him as an example of running back. Yes this is some second guessing but there were some gems RM didn’t get.

    3. Reggie is a questionable GM because he didn’t try a failing offensive lineman at NT? Seriously?

    No not seriously. That was added parenthetically. Letting Bruce go was a judgement call but you have no idea if he was failing or not because he wasn’t being played. I don’t know and neither do you why that was the case.

    4 and 5. Whatever… he corrected his mistake now.

    True. Some would say better late than never but he did make the correction.

    6. Palmer did not GAIN any money from the restructure. A restructure just moves salary to bonus.

    Absolutely incorrect. At minimum he gained 7.5 million.

    Reggie didn’t write Palmer’s contract, the Bengals did.

    Absolutely incorrect. The Raiders wrote Palmer’s contract based upon Palmer’s previous contract with the Bengals. Hue restructured Palmer’s contract. Palmer was to get approximately 7 million in 2011 for a shortened season but restructured that down (given the available reports)to about 3 to about 4 million in exchanged for a 12.5 million salary in 2012, 5 million of which was guaranteed as a roster bonus. In 2012 he received his 5 million as roster bonus. Then he restructured again receiving 7.5 million as a roster bonus incentive. In addition to that they took his 12.5 million 2012 salary and converted it to about a million in salary and the remainder 11 million to bonus money spread out over 5 years.

    All Reggie did was take Palmers 11 mill salary this year and convert it to bonus money to spread the cap hit.

    Absolutely incorrect. See above.

    He was on the team the whole year so he would have gotten that money anyways.

    Correct

    Not sure where the rest of this 30 million is coming from. You need to work on your math I think

    4+5+7.5+12.5= 29

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    KoolKell Says:
    Seymour
    Do you think Palmer get’s voted into the Hall of Fame on the 1st ballot?
    ===================================================

    He’s not in yet!?

  • dr_robert

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    dr slob

    your an idiot

    you want to put words in my mouth, but taking things out of context is lying.

    also the follwoing statment is something you made up

    “ur enemies, which u said were anyone who benefits from the current “racist system”, which u said all whites do”

    This isnt what i said .

    you are a pathetic little liar and your connecting the so called dots is nothing more than a weak fabrication

    screw off

    ***********

    u said u want to chop the heads off ur enemies, which u said included me.

    u said ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s racist system, which was built on slavery.

    u said i am one of those people, since i’m white, even though my family came here after slavery was abolished, and have always been Northern liberal Catholic yankees.

    follow logic. i’m white and therefore ur enemy. u want to chop my head off. u want to kill me cuz i’m white.

    just admit it coward.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DJ Johnny Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    You could say then that Palmer is actually getting better as his pick 6’s have gone down since 2010 season.
    ==============

    If taht is the case then we are doomed with him as the qb ( like i told you before he signed)

    if that is the measuring stick then as fans we all need to raise our standards

    this will not be a bargaining chip for palmer at negotiation table (or we are doomed with davis and big mack)

    there is simply no way out from under 37 turnovers in 24 games and a hideous 8-16 record.

    You really cant blame the raider for palmers failings, he posted only 4 wins before being sent packing in cincy after his little hissy fit with m brown failed to move the needle.

    In fact palmer hasnt won more than 4 games in each of his last 3 seasons!!

    wait it gets worse

    In a total of 9 years pro PALMER HAS ONLY MANGED TO TO WIN 8 GAMES OR MORE 3 TIMES!!!!!

    HE HAS POSTED LOSING RECORDS 6/9 YEARS!!!

    what more proof do you need

    the guy stinks flat out

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    dr slob said

    u said ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s racist system, which was built on slavery.

    =========================

    I never made that statement

    lol

    repeating a lie wont make it truth devil

    gtfoh

  • DutchRaider77

    @Follow the B@uceman

    You getting season tickets this year?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    palmers career says he has only posted wining season (8 or more wins) in 6/9 years 1/3 of his time

    plamers record here is 8-16, he has only won a 3rd of his games in oakland

    Coincidence?

  • RaiderRockstar

    the Bungholes and the Raiders are proven losers. They were both losing before Palmer got there, and they will lose the second Palmer is out of here.

    ***

    SeyGlenn,

    Raiders were 12-10 since the start of 2011 before Palmer arrived.

    we are 8-18 since then.

    Bengals ditched Palmer and went from 4-12 (2010) to playoffs in consecutive years (2011 & 2012)

    slap yourself!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    correction:

    since the start of 2010 *

  • logic82

    “Palmer was due a $12.5 million base salary for 2012 on his deal with $5 million of that figure fully guaranteed for skill, injury and cap.

    According to a league source, Palmer has now reduced his base salary to $825,000 for 2012. That salary is fully guaranteed for skill, injury and cap with $11.675 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus.”

    Note that this article says the 11.675 is a roster bonus. As a roster bonus it cannot be spread out over multiple years. Any money being listed as spread out over multiple years does not include this 12 million.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Logic,

    thats exactly right. Palmer cost next to nothing versus the cap last year, but received a check from Mark Davis for almost $12 million.

    thats why JFB keeps telling YOU PEOPLE that he’s not guaranteed anything this year. that restructure didn’t kick the can down the road and cause us a huge cap hit for future years

  • RaiderRockstar

    new post

    Go Steve!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Didn’t exactly answer you’re question, but that’s kinda what these guys do for a living. There shouldn’t be any major surprises on either side, IMO.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMenVpuvW8U

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