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Seymour decision haunting Raiders

General manager Reggie McKenzie inherited a Raiders roster, he said, with “out-of-whack” contracts last season. As a result, he made a series of drastic moves designed to bring the situation under control.
Of note, he waived No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley soon after he was hired. Several other moves, including restructuring numerous contracts, helped the Raiders free up enough salary-cap space so that the Raiders could sign a handful of new players.
However, the one move McKenzie didn’t make is coming home to roost. McKenzie opted to keep aging defensive tackle Richard Seymour for one more season. As it turned out, Seymour played only eight games and didn’t have anywhere near the desired impact.
His biggest impact is going to be on this year’s salary cap, with Seymour counting for almost $14 million in so-called “dead money.” Put another way, almost one-eighth of their $121 million salary cap in 2013 is going to come from Seymour’s voided contract.
The Raiders would have been better off absorbing the blow of severing ties with Seymour last season, when it was apparent that they needed to deal with the contracts McKenzie considered out of whack.
As it stands, the Raiders are right up against the projected cap for 2013, with room needed in the coming days to re-sign some of their prospective free agents, other teams’ free agents and their 2013 draft picks.
Fortunately for McKenzie and the Raiders, there are a few viable options to get to where they need to be.
The obvious targets cutting or restructuring the contracts of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly. Cutting these two veterans would free up $10 million in cap space.
They could net more than $9 million more by cutting quarterback Carson Palmer, a risky move, and turning over the keys to the offense to third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor or a veteran signed in free agency.
The more likely scenario involves restrructuring Palmer’s contract, as they did last offseason, so that it’s more cap friendly in 2013. The Raiders simply can’t afford to have Seymour and Palmer eat up approximately one-fourth of their cap space in 2013.
Beyond that, there’s not much else McKenzie can do this season, except to cut other veterans that free up a million here and a million there.
On the bright side, McKenzie is making strides toward getting the salary cap more in the Raiders favor. He can keep it that way by avoiding contracts such as the one given Seymour and made worse by keeping him around too long.

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  • guest123

    It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
    That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.

    ********

    No one has that kind of patience or should have. That’s not realistic to sit back and take pounding after pounding in the name of cleaning out the “outta wack” contracts. 3-5 years in football is like inverse dog years in reality. That’s like a lifetime.

  • nycraider

    Charlie Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    NYC

    Maybe you should be fired.

    All I know is that no team in the NFL in the cap era was mismanaged more than the Raiders. NO TEAM!

    It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
    That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.

    “In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”

    “The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”

    “The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
    —————–
    .charlie, whats the average length of an nfl players career? hmmm..maybe we can rebulid twice in 5 years

  • The Big Banana

    Seymour will make $15 million for the 2012 NFL season and will be paid the entire $30 million extension that Oakland gave him last year.

    —–

    Be thankful, Nation. Reggie took a calculated risk so that we wouldn’t end up with the #1 overall pick. Great work. 15 million well spent and well worth the 13 million cap hit in 2013.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    lol…twice the rebuild!

  • Charlie

    Clearly BCZ Autumn Wind and I are in the same camp.

    I have been a Raider fan since 63′.
    Always have and always will be.

    No one values the contributions that Mr. Davis made to the Raiders and the NFL/AFL more than me.
    That is I ALWAYS refer to him as Mr. Davis.

    The reality says that the last ten years either he and/or his trusted advisors were unable to compete at the NFL level. The won loss record says it all.
    Seven different coaching staffs with the same lack of performance POINTS CLEARLY TO A LACK OF TALENT.

    The cap issues and lack of picks we inherited last year are real.
    Not figments of anyone’s imagination.
    That reality means we are in the second year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
    No emotion. Just cold clinical objectivity.
    No immediate gratification in sight.
    Just hard work from a man (Reggie) highly respected in the NFL
    (and also by Madden who helped interviewed him and Wolf who recommended him.)

  • DKnight007

    791.guest123 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:14 am
    We had no choice with Bush. He didn’t give us the opportunity to even negotiate. He wasn’t anywhere near Alameda when free agency opened. He left by choice.

    ********

    No, I don’t think this is accurate. Well before free agency, Reggie had the decision to keep Seymour and obligate another $7.5 mill. We could have had Bush if we wanted to. But Reggie opted for Dick Seymour.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Another McK mistake to blame Al on…not resigning Bush and keeping Branch and Seymour instead.

  • oakfshow

    I believe this roster can be fixed with a couple calculated moves in the draft and free agency.Lets see if bottom lip can prove he knows football like some of these Reggie lovers say he does. I dont think he is qualified to do so and beleive his excuse makers will fall of the wagon this year.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    charlie i do agree that it starts at the oline, that being said why did reggie ok a zbs when he did not have zbs linemen? get some big mean ugly nasties in there…

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position for the past 5 years, thats why NE left him go.

    Again, Seymore may be in the HOF, but it will be because of the way he played in NE, and because NE was a media darling at that time.

    Seymore being in the HOF will have zero to do with his time in Oakland where he was the leader of one of the worts Ds in the league and commited more personal fouls than I care to remember.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Guest

    I think MD has a 3 year patience span. He does not have a four or five year one. We need to see some progress next year and then actually field a team at least as good as the one in 2010 for RM to stay all 4 years of his contract. If the Raiders make the playoffs in 2014 both he and DA will probably get extensions. That is what they are working for!

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Seymore has not been a top 5 player in his position for the past 5 years, thats why NE left him go.

    Again, Seymore may be in the HOF, but it will be because of the way he played in NE, and because NE was a media darling at that time.

    Seymore being in the HOF will have zero to do with his time in Oakland where he was the leader of one of the worst Ds in the league and commited more personal fouls than I care to remember.

  • Charlie

    Many of you seem to think quick fixes are the norm in the NFL.
    I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I do believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby DELAYING progress not accelerating it.
    Talent is 80% and coaching is 20% of the equation.
    I have selected a more recent list that may intrigue the more insightful on this blog and continues to prove the point.

    Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons

    Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)

    Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)

    Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons

    None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $30 million over the cap when you take the job.

  • oakfshow

    808.Al_is_theraiders Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:25 am
    charlie i do agree that it starts at the oline, that being said why did reggie ok a zbs when he did not have zbs linemen? get some big mean ugly nasties in there…

    Exactly. He’s an unqualified GM.This will get worse.#1 overall pick in the draft next year will seal Reggie’s fate.

  • oakfshow

    812.Charlie Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 am
    Many of you seem to think quick fixes are the norm in the NFL.
    I feel (and the last ten years show) that coaching and scheme will not make a difference in wins and losses till the talent gap is closed. I do believe that changing schemes and coaches every year or two is disastrous for any NFL team. Without some continuity in the player evaluation process you make new coaches revisit issues again and again, thereby DELAYING progress not accelerating it.
    Talent is 80% and coaching is 20% of the equation.
    I have selected a more recent list that may intrigue the more insightful on this blog and continues to prove the point.

    Pete Carroll 7-9 First season 14-18 first TWO seasons

    Mike Shanahan 6-10 First season 11-21 first TWO seasons (in Washington)

    Belichick 36-44 in Cleveland 5-11 first season 16-16 first TWO seasons (in NE)

    Reid 5-11 First season 16-16 first two seasons

    None of these coaches faced the challenges we have in Oakland. Missing 3 of your top four picks in your first two drafts slows the building process a bit. So does being $30 million over the cap when you take the job.

    What did Mcfadden20 change his screen name or what? WTF? Dont give us that bullsht!

  • 1960AutumnWind

    Al the Al Davis Apologist

    Totally agree with post #808. That is why I wanted a center and was at least hoping Knapp would run a hybrid and install that system slowly. I also wanted AS to be the OC but rumors were he did not want they stress. I wish we would have got someone like we got this year that ran a compatible system. That was a legitimate mistake DA and RM made.

    I still hope they draft a center and let Wiz get back to being a guard and BU center.

  • theghostronin79

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    I know. 5 year rebuild. Give me a break.

    Tell that to the Colts last year with a superstar QB going down and a new head coach, OC and staff.

    ===========

    Ohhh BE real now……….

    The Colts were a Perennial playoff team and in the Superbowl discussion for ten years straight. Yeah they lost Manning and kind of took a nose dive for one year….ONE YEAR.

    The Raiders have been stumbling, tripping, and “Keystone Cop”-ing themselves around for the last TEN years, and the only discussion they were involved in was a Toilet Bowl. Yeah, they were showing improvement from 09, 10, 11……But never did they approach a status of “A GOOD TEAM”.

    Come on Now…… Com’on

  • nycraider

    This post goes out to all the excuse makers, the guys who insist rebuilding cant be done in one year,….see below
    2006 Browns 4-12
    2007 Browns 10-6
    2006 Redskins 5-11
    2007 Redskins 9-7
    2006 TB 4-12
    2007 TB 9-7
    2007 Ravens 5-11
    2008 Ravens 11-5
    2007 Falcons 4-12
    2008 Falcons 11-5
    2008 Bengals 4-11-1
    2009 Bengals 10-6
    2009 KC 4-12
    2010 KC10-6
    2009 TB 3-13
    2010 TB10-6
    2009 ST L 1-15
    2010 STL 7-9
    2010 Bengals 4-12
    2011 Bengals 9-7(w/o CP3)
    2010 Broncos 4-12
    2011 Broncos 8-8(1st place)
    2012 year of the Excuse—2013 No Excuses!!!

  • oakfshow

    Draft defense and try to sighn a center if we can.There is no choice but to trade the 3rd pick for some more picks (like Reggie can draft anyway) he sucks.Unless Mooore is still sitting there at 3.

  • R8ER MIKE

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 am
    GOOD AFTERNOON NATION!!
    and my GreenParty brothers !!

    *******************************
    in the words of the GreenParty president
    …. well fuk you guys !!

  • hwnrdr

    LOL, what’s up Mike?!

  • DJ Johnny

    Bcz24 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:27 am
    But I really felt and you can look at the vibe of the posts in here the last couple of years that the LAUGHING STOCK phase of our history timeline was behind us. Finally. Just needed a little luck.
    *****************
    In 2010 we were the first team to sweep our division and not make the playoffs… people were still laughing.

    In 2011 we were massacred in 5 of our last 6 games. People were still laughing… same old ‘Faiders’. Most penalized team in HISTORY.

    The laughing never stop, our hope just grew loud enough to drown it out. It also drowned out the reality those teams were mediocre teams that were never going to grow past 8-8, and were hiding some serious flaws, like a woeful lack of depth at every position on the team, and a crippling salary cap problem that was pushed off til next year so often that the only way to fix it was to do what Reggie did. Cut as many guys as you can, and hope that with the trash heap scraps you can scrape together enough of a team to at least sell some tickets.

    People don’t realize how close we were to things being alot different than they are now.

    IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.

  • guest123

    Yeah, I just went to my bosses office. Promised I’d have this all figured out 5 years from now. Sorry it’s so fkd up, but I don’t have the right tools to get the job done right. But give me 5 years boss. promise you. pinky promise.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    NYCRaider

    Your post only proves that teams can possibly turn around. Many of your examples actually then faded the next year such as KC. You have to look at everything for example take the Colts vs. Raiders:

    1. Was the previous year because of an injury of a key player or two that are coming back?

    2. How is the cap with the losing team do they have room to sign some FA’s to rebuild

    3. Draft picks do they have a lot of draft picks to rebuild the roster.

    Compare Colts vs. Raiders

    1. Injury – Colts Yes had some key injuries with players coming back. Raiders Maybe but same person injured again!

    2. Cap – Colts in good shape with Manning gone Raiders in terrible shape.

    3. Draft Picks – Colts #1 overall and got to pick their need and best player available at #1 and had many other pics to fill in. Raiders first pick a comp pic at end of third round.

    Please read this post objectively and maybe the light will come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    It can always get worse.

  • guest123

    IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.

    ********

    This is the WHAT IF that I can remember. But there are those in here who will tell you we we had MASSIVE TALENT GAPS and were destined to suck. ONE PLAY made in 2011. ONE STINKING PLAY from having a coach that could not be fired. Nobody would be talking about our sucky roster as if it were a given fact.

  • 1960AutumnWind

    #824 if we cut Palmer it might be 2006 all over again! If we do that bad I can only imagine what the RM haters would say and I would join them on that one.

  • guest123

    It can always get worse.

    ******

    the floggings will continue until morale improves.

  • nycraider

    1960AutumnWind Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:42 am
    NYCRaider

    Your post only proves that teams can possibly turn around. Many of your examples actually then faded the next year such as KC. You have to look at everything for example take the Colts vs. Raiders:

    1. Was the previous year because of an injury of a key player or two that are coming back?

    2. How is the cap with the losing team do they have room to sign some FA’s to rebuild

    3. Draft picks do they have a lot of draft picks to rebuild the roster.

    Compare Colts vs. Raiders

    1. Injury – Colts Yes had some key injuries with players coming back. Raiders Maybe but same person injured again!

    2. Cap – Colts in good shape with Manning gone Raiders in terrible shape.

    3. Draft Picks – Colts #1 overall and got to pick their need and best player available at #1 and had many other pics to fill in. Raiders first pick a comp pic at end of third round.

    Please read this post objectively and maybe the light will come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    —————————
    maybe you should re read my post, it did not mention the colts. but guess you wanted to speak about the colts, so here it is. the colts lost one of the top 5 qbs in the nfl and possibly top 10 ever, they lost their head coach to illness, they had only 3 of their draft picks contribute, yet they had a playoff season. If you want to write off the 2012 season fine, its already gone. But our cap position isnt that bad and we have the 3rd pick in the draft. 2013 is the year of no excuses.

  • theghostronin79

    guest123 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:46 am
    It can always get worse.

    ******

    the floggings will continue until morale improves.

    ==========

    I know it works on Marines……But does it work on Millionare’s?

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Big Reg has egg on his face.

    Big Reg is no longer the well respected up and coming scout.

    Big Reg is now the under achieving first year GM that is coming off an unmitigated disaster of a first year and will soon be out of a job unless he finds a way to turn it around.

    Now.

  • hwnrdr

    Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?

  • nycraider

    Guest123 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:45 am
    IF…not even a big IF, our defense was able to stop SD at their 1/2 yd. line in 2011 we would’ve gotten the ball back in good field position and probably won the game. In fact, it looked like we got robbed of a safety just prior to that; but at any rate we make just ONE DANG STOP,win the game, win the division and instead of Palmer looking like a bad deal he’s all of a sudden the HERO who came off the couch to lead the Raiders to their first playoff appearance and winning record in almost a decade. Hue looks like a genius for the trade, we beat an ailing Pittsburgh team at home the next week in the playoffs…and admittedly get hammered at NE the next wk. but at any rate….They then can’t fire the coach who led them to the playoffs in his first yr. and Hue keeps the same offensive scheme and who knows how we do in 2012. Does that scenario just delay the inevitable rebuild? Or does winning breed winning and we’re in a much better spot right now? We can speculate forever on “what if’s” but it’s interesting to consider where we’d be at in the scheme of things had that happened.

    ********

    This is the WHAT IF that I can remember. But there are those in here who will tell you we we had MASSIVE TALENT GAPS and were destined to suck. ONE PLAY made in 2011. ONE STINKING PLAY from having a coach that could not be fired. Nobody would be talking about our sucky roster as if it were a given fact.
    ———————
    how about cj37 dropping that easy int against the bills in the end zone that would have ended the game and given us a win, or even after chuckie b had our lb on calvin johnson, if mcclain takes stafford in the red zone on 4th down we beat the lions..we were so close

  • guest123

    meanwhile DA is into year two of OTJ training. Maybe one day he’ll figure out this head coaching thing?

  • R8ER MIKE

    aloha Hwnrdr !!
    how the he11 are you today ??

  • Gdog

    It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
    That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.

    >>>>

    This team had to face plant to AVOID the playoffs just two seasons ago… and there was nothing special about that team except McFadden caught on fire early. Most of the playoff teams are pretty mediocre. The NFL is mediocre from top to bottom by design… you act like it takes a great team to make the playoffs.. it doesn’t!

    This is NOT a 3-5 year process, I refuse to accept that as reality. I like the new coaching changes. With some good drafting and smarter FA shopping, anything can happen.

  • Charlie

    We all want to win and I am as frustrated as everyone else on this blog for our embarrassing situation. The problem is that no one quick fix exists.
    Not in our case.

    Ten years of poor drafts.
    We had the worst cap issue in the history of the NFL and we were missing three of our top four picks in our first two drafts with Reggie.

    Our talent is poor, and getting VERY old and injury prone on the lines.
    The game is won and lost on the line of scrimmage and that is where the rebuilding needs to start.
    Throw on top of it a significant injury issue and you have 2012.

    As I have said we are now in year 2 of a 3-5 year project. Still over the cap in 2013 without a full complement of picks till 2014.

    “Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap for 2013. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again. But they should be able to do a little more than they did last year.”

    “The Raiders are making changes to their offensive staff. It may take a couple of years to dig themselves out of a terrible cap situation that this regime inherited.”

    “The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup and play this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better in 2013.”

    “Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”

  • DutchRaider77

    832.hwnrdr Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?

    __________________________________________________

    MISTIC!

    kidding, but when many of us were compaining about Boller as the backup he said that Boller was fine as the backup to JC.

  • nycraider

    If you say it takes 5 years to rebuild, does that mean you cant be wrong for 5 years? oh i get it..if we do good in 2 years , you can say the GM is a genius, if the team doesnt do well and the GM is fired after 3-4 years, your theory still lives. Its basically a no lose situation..got it..

  • guest123

    “Going to be a slow process, but keeping Dennis Allen was right move.”

    *********

    Any particular reason? What did Allen do to solidify his job? Coninuity for its own sake is a very weak argument.

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    Charlie, you changed my mind.

    Reggie is doing a fine job.

    Last season’s face plant was to be expected.

    It was all part of Reggie’s master plan that is completely on schedule.

    Thanks man. I feel better.

  • guest123

    meanwhile I suckered a dumb owner into paying me 5 solid years on the gravy train! Sweet!

  • 1960AutumnWind

    #825 Guest we were also 2 plays away from being 6-10 because some of our victories were that close.

    For the Record I did not think the 2010 Raiders were an untalented team – we still had NA, Wimbley played well, seymour and kelly were younger and we had one of the better pass rushing teams in the NFL. We lost some people between 2010 -2011 and also a couple of draft pics including a 1st rounder and we had a weaker team in 2011. Then after 2011 we lost a lot of talent, had no real cap room, and had no pics until almost the 4th round. Here is a question for all those demanding playoffs in 2012 – was the talent level better in 2012 than 2010 or 2011. Please note those two teams did not make the playoffs either.

  • nycraider

    2012 was a roster purge per charlie…oops forgot about the big bust on briesel, the disaster of seymour, the shocking long term contract of Branch when you had him franchised, the restructuring of palmer. all adds up to a rookie gm who made mistakes

  • DKnight007

    801.guest123 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:18 am
    It will take 3-5 years to clean it up.
    That is why Reggie and DA have 4 year deals.

    ********

    No one has that kind of patience or should have. That’s not realistic to sit back and take pounding after pounding in the name of cleaning out the “outta wack” contracts. 3-5 years in football is like inverse dog years in reality. That’s like a lifetime.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Losing for 3 years creates and establishes a culture of losing and a losing mentality.

    The team was getting over that hump the previous two years and young Davis, McK and DA had to screw that momentum up in the name of “clearing up the cap”.

    Nice!

  • guest123

    Last year I was optimistic because we finally had Carson Palmer and Darren McFadden on the field at the same time. I also expected DHB to continue on an upward ascent from his almost 1000 yard season. And Denarius Moore was a young budding star. We had the pieces in place to be a very good offensive team and remember we were good the year before.

    Yes we lost some key free agents, but the nucleus was there to make a playoff run. I wasn’t just sipping the kool-aid. It wasn’t a super bowl team but it should have been competitive for the division.

    Another source of hope was the firing of Bresnahan and defensive coaches Tarver and Allen. I figured that they couldn’t be any worse than Bresh. Boy was I wrong!

    Discounting my pessimism from jump street on Knapp. I assumed the offense was going to continue scoring and maybe even improve given the new CP3/DMC tandem.

    I drank the koolaid. I thought this team was better. I never for a second thought we had a talent issue, even with the cap and late draft picks.

  • hwnrdr

    R8ER MIKE Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 am
    aloha Hwnrdr !!
    how the he11 are you today ??

    What’s up Ray? Doing good…beautiful day outside in NorCal! What about you?

  • 1960AutumnWind

    NCRaider

    So you wanted to Franchise Branch!? LOL. Our cap situation would have caused us to cut other players. The deal that Seymour struck (it is my understanding) gave us cap relief in 2012 at the expense of later years because we just could not sustain his number in 2012 and field a team.

    Agreed on Briesel (did not like that move), did not like keeping Seymour (I would have rather just got it over with (but then you guys would have really been howling). Knapp hire sucked and keeping him past bye week loss when offense looked terrible with all excuses removed was dumb. I agree the guy made mistakes but what if he did dump Symour and did not sign Briesell. How many extra games would that buy? Even if he had a power offense how many extra would that buy? I do not think it would have made us 8-8 but it would have put us in better shape now.

    Not saying the guy is perfect or awesome but sure better than the management we had from 94-2011 with the exception of Allen when he was Asst GM and Grudent was coach.

  • hwnrdr

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:57 am
    832.hwnrdr Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 am
    Ok, JC goes down, we had to watch Boller stink it up the next week! We had Trent Edwards on the roster, but cut him loose and decided to stick with Kyle. Whether or not Edwards was better is irrelevant at this point, but whose fault was it that our lone back up to JC was Boller?

    __________________________________________________

    MISTIC!

    kidding, but when many of us were compaining about Boller as the backup he said that Boller was fine as the backup to JC.

    I remember… :)

  • nycraider

    845..reggie himself said we were able to compete for the playoffs last july..then in week 10 he said we were rebuilding..nothing like an end of year rebuilding program

  • Charlie

    Guys

    I wish we could find the genius that can overcome being $30 million over the cap and missing 3 of our top four picks in our 2012 and 2013 drafts and having a talent thin roster.

    I wish every hot coaching prospect would love to come to Oakland given our cap issues, lack of picks and talent poor roster.

    I hope we go 12-4 next year.
    I hope we find the next Reggie White in round six and the next Gene Upshaw in Round 7.
    I hope Dmac satys healthy and for once earns his bloated salary.
    I hope Ford and Moore stay healthy.
    I hope the REST OF THE NFL AND THE AFC WEST DOES NOT IMPROVE.

    Given our reality, I doubt many or even any of those things will happen.

    Plan for a six or seven win season in 2013 with Reggie and DA finishing their four year deals.
    Maybe we challenge for a playoff spot in 2014.

    One man’s opinion.