It’s all ‘downhill’ for Raiders rushing attack
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, February 13th, 2013 at 11:57 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Here’s a story from beat writer Jerry McDonald about Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson talking about how he intends to use running back Darren McFadden next season:
In an uphill climb toward respectability, the Raiders direction will be decidedly downhill.
Offensive coordinator Greg Olson made it clear Wednesday during a meet-and-greet with local media that his plans for running back Darren McFadden will include the kind of gap and power blocking schemes that made him one of the NFL’s most explosive running backs in 2010 and 2011.
McFadden fell to a career-low 3.3 yards per carry in 2012 under the zone scheme runs favored by offensive coordinator Greg Knapp, who was fired after the season.
“I’m not naive enough to believe it’s all Greg Knapp’s fault,” Olson said. “Certainly there are some things I hope I can bring to the table that will allow us to have
Oakland Raiders’ Darren McFadden (20) runs against the Kansas City Chiefs in the first quarter at the O.co Coliseum in Oakland, Calif. on Sunday, Dec. 16, 2012. (Nhat V. Meyer/Staff) success.”
Olson becomes the Raiders’ third offensive coordinator in three seasons. Head coach Hue Jackson served as the play-caller in 2011, but Knapp was hired after general manager Reggie McKenzie fired Jackson.
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010.
“Coming in a year ago, they made a switch to a zone system,” Olson said. “I don’t know if you ever want to pigeonhole yourself that way and say, ‘That’s what we do.’ You may not be able to do that based on the players you have.”
Regarding McFadden, Olson said, “Maybe a year ago, they weren’t sure about that zone scheme. Now, after a year of having to look at it, maybe he is a downhill runner. So we’ll get back to some of the gap schemes and things he does well.”
Olson is also intrigued by fullback Marcel Reece. He sees Reece as versatile enough to be a third-down back and operate in a single-back offense and as a player to utilize for favorable matchups.
“I was pleasantly surprised watching the tape to see that in a lot of the downhill lead plays where you need a fullback in there, he wasn’t a big thumper type but he did go willingly and block some of those linebackers,” Olson said.
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February 14th, 2013 at 12:02 am
Primero!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Snake eyes!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Spree for three!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Shek quatro!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:04 am
Dmc 5 ypc in 2013!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 am
Tp6!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 am
7 sacks for lamarr houston 2013!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:06 am
8 games over 150 yards for dmc 2013!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 12:06 am
She’s a beauty… That #9…
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 am
Who cares who we draft.star, moore, millner, etc… Just get it right and be an impact player. Whether we trade back or not, its on u reggie to get it right. No more excuses year two.
Hope everyone has a good vday with their loved ones.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 am
RaiderRetribution-no offense but that is one absolutely terrible idea.Why on earth would you want to trade the best K in the NFL for a 2nd or 3rd RD pick that might never even be a starter for the team?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:42 am
finally I can get in the top 1000
February 14th, 2013 at 12:43 am
Personally I like the Belicheat approach where he just lies about the scheme all the time.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:51 am
I hadn’t lefty, thanks. Not that I missed much.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:54 am
We’re up here so high, I noticed the Callahan/Brown post over on the right. That was like 150 posts ago on SandBPride.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:08 am
Pervis-I know we aren’t used to getting posts regularly so I understand you not noticing.And,no,you didn’t miss much if anything.LOL
February 14th, 2013 at 1:31 am
Oh snap 2 post in 2 days!!!! Thank God Cork has stopped being a Bi%^&!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 2:47 am
Because scoring touchdowns and preventing opponents from scoring touchdowns is far more important than fgs.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:15 am
Palmer is NOT getting cut.
I still think geno is in play though.
Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. i think we will be glad we did if it happens.
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Dr Bob & Raider E
Fellas,
if Carson Palmer sticks and the Raiders draft GS 3rd overall I will throw my remote at the TV and will be pissed more so than my Raids drafting guys like Heyward-Bey & McClain in the Top 10 (smelled those disasters from a mile away)
February 14th, 2013 at 4:16 am
Gotta cut chilla dog Kelly, as well as McClain.
Seymour is a given. DHB maybe a restructure, at about 1.5.
Gotta resign Wheeler, and Bryant.
Draft Star.
Resign Carter.
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Len for GM!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:03 am
another post, this soon!?!??!!??!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:03 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
We ready for the combine?
February 14th, 2013 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Cork, don’t give us a heart attack! I come back in to work and 2 new posts??? LOL
What’s up Ray, Raideraholic, Rockstar?!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:51 am
Good news on the Reece front, he should only play FB a few times just to throw the tendecies off.
He is good with the ball in his hands, and looked pretty good taking standard handoffs last year.
Breaks tackles, falls forward, makes the defense earn their tackles.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:51 am
I guess not…?
Two players to watch out for are Marcus Lattimore and Tyrann Mathieu…I would like to how they interview (Mathieu) and perform at the combine(Lattimore).
Lattimore reminds me alot of M.Bush coming out of college, not for his style, but because of injury. Both cats are kinda high risk high reward!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:52 am
Len for GM!!
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????????
Sounds like we might need an updated 2013 Blog front office post here soon.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:53 am
When is the combine?
I thought it was in March.
Heard Geno is throwing at it, could be our first chance to watch our future QB!!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:55 am
GM Hawaiian brother!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:56 am
Whacky Blog prediction for the morning:
Andre Carter gets 9 sacks and makes a Pro Bowl this year.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:57 am
Combine starts in about a week. We’ll be watching alot of stock go up and down, mock drafts and trade scenarios!!
Oh yeah buddy!!!!
C’mon Vegas…get wit the program!!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:59 am
Y’all take care…gotta jump in the shower and take care of some business (not in the shower)!!
February 14th, 2013 at 6:02 am
Usually at the combine, the biggest winners are like the D-lineman and LB’s that either rep some huge bench number are run a 4.67 forty at 270 pounds.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:10 am
REmeber that “great” story about the South African Olympic sprinter that was an amputee?
Just charged with murder of his girlfriend.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:16 am
He stab her with his stub?
February 14th, 2013 at 6:17 am
Morning Bcz!!!
What’s your take on the Seymour “void”?
Seems like we either took the cap hit last year or this year, and this was one Reggie deferred another year.
I am reading that right?
February 14th, 2013 at 6:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:10 am
REmeber that “great” story about the South African Olympic sprinter that was an amputee?
Just charged with murder of his girlfriend.
Really? The one in the Olympics?
February 14th, 2013 at 6:21 am
Really? The one in the Olympics?
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Yup
February 14th, 2013 at 6:26 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.I SAY TRADE DOWN IF MCKENZIE GETS HIS PRICE.MAKE THE PICK IF NOT.WOULD GO PASS RUSHER OR THE BIG OT FROM TEXAS IF HE IS THERE.SORRY JFB,NOT SOLD OPN GENO SMITH..
February 14th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Of course the hindsight view of it after seeing just how little Seymour contributed says Reggie should have cut him last year, taken the hit and been done with it, but I think the reality is at the time Reggie couldn’t afford to take such a large cap hit (I don’t recall what it was, but it was over 10 mill) AND lose the leadership and talent on the DLine. A lot of people in here hate Seymour, but there is no question about it that the Dline performed better with him in the lineup than out of it (particularly Tommy Kelly). I keep hearing conflicting reports regarding the voiding of his contract which makes it very difficult to speculate.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:32 am
I agree there is some boom or bust potential with Geno.
But by all accounts he is a good kid, and a hard worker. And his best skill, is his pinpoint accuracy on the intermediate throws, which is crucial at the next level.
If he is not on the boad, I still think someone like AZ will trade up to #2 and get him, then agree that a trade down is in order.
Just don’t expect a whole lot in compensation to move down a few spots. Maybe a 4th, a 3rd next year, stuff like that.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:36 am
omfg – 2 posts in the same day, what is going on?!
Hey Cork, we know this is a Raiders blog, why don’t you stop putting ‘Raiders’ in every title and pretend you don’t cover any other teams.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Wow im finally able to post again! F U cork & jerry!
February 14th, 2013 at 6:49 am
@Just Fire Baby
Do you think Palmer is a better QB than anybody on the AZ roster?
If so, would you think they might want to trade for Palmer?
I just don’t understand why Palmer would want to play for the Raiders at a reduced rate at this point in his career?
I am not saying we have the worst receiving corp, but it has to be one of the worst. If you ranked all 32 teams where would the Raiders rank?
February 14th, 2013 at 6:51 am
what happened to Reggie’s brilliant escape clause in seymours contract? Ppl were saying we didnt owe sey shìt cause he missed so many games.. now we owe him a ton? Now we should have cut him last yr? Whats the story?
February 14th, 2013 at 6:53 am
We don’t OWE Seymour any money, just a ton of dead cap space hits.
REal money cost = Zero dollars
February 14th, 2013 at 6:55 am
I think Palmer is better than anyone on AZ, but teams don’t really like trading for 33+ year old QB’s, who are 12-29 over their last 3 years.
Teams in their position would rather take the young, unkown commodity.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:00 am
I think they only team that would be interested in bring in Palmer via trade (if cut more teams would be interested) is the Jets.
They have to win now with the current staff.
Minny and Jax just said they are building around Gabbert and Ponder, and won’t add competition to them.
AZ might be a possibility, but they just got rooked on Kolb and prob don’t want to do that again.
KC? Don’t see it.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:53 am
We don’t OWE Seymour any money, just a ton of dead cap space hits.
REal money cost = Zero dollars
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please share your wisdom and elaborate..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:01 am
I know there is plenty of hate for Olsen here on this already, but I really think he can do something, and then all the Hue-lovers hopefully will be silent once and for all…
February 14th, 2013 at 7:03 am
So with this new understanding of seymours contract.. did reggie do ANYTHING right last yr?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:03 am
If you ranked all 32 teams WRs where would the Raiders rank?
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Last. Based on last years play, definitely last. At their absolute best, I would say bottom 3.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Players only get paid bonus and/or salary.
When you cut a player, they don’t get paid any salary, and bonus are paid at signing.
So when you cut a player and have “dead money” it was previous money paid, that is coming due for cap purposes.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:05 am
I would say cutting Routt was a good thing.
Upgraded MLB play with peanuts.
And Streater as an UDFA will probably be better than DHB at #7 overall.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:05 am
Olson becomes the Raiders’ third offensive coordinator in three seasons
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recipe for success.
way to groom a young QB, like Pryor!!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Players only get paid bonus and/or salary.
When you cut a player, they don’t get paid any salary, and bonus are paid at signing.
So when you cut a player and have “dead money” it was previous money paid, that is coming due for cap purposes.
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so when Routt was in KC, he said he got paid by two AFC WEST teams.. that was just routt’s accountant who was bad at math?
Hardly..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:08 am
When is the combine?
I thought it was in March.
Heard Geno is throwing at it, could be our first chance to watch our future QB!!!!!
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I believe the Combine starts NEXT Tuesday, or Wednesday
February 14th, 2013 at 7:08 am
54.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:05 am
Olson becomes the Raiders’ third offensive coordinator in three seasons
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recipe for success.
way to groom a young QB, like Pryor!!
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Plus adding Tony Sparano is very nice with getting some fun stuff with Pryor if he doesn’t beat out Palmer…do we resign goodson?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:09 am
Routt had a GUARANTEED bonus of $5 million to him, whether cut or not.
He didn’t get his salary for the year though from us.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Star, Millner, or Werner at 3.
Sign Anthony Spencer.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Friday was the day of reckoning for the Raiders with regard to Richard Seymour’s contract. Either they void his contract or pay him $19.133 million next season. That wasn’t going to happen and so the voiding of his contract was to be expected.
Seymour’s contract stated that if he didn’t play a certain number of downs last season, the Raiders would have the option of voiding his contract. He was injured for the final eight games of last season and therefore did not meet those requirements.
A player on the other side of 33 with bad knees is not ideal for this rebuilding team. And with paying that player over $19 million in a season is definitely not ideal. It is the ultimate in “out of whack” contracts.
The Raiders have would not give any official word on whether Seymour’s contract had voided as they do not comment on contracts. And with the deadline being Friday, if they made the transaction after the NFL offices had closed, it will not be made official by the league until Monday.
In cases of a contract automatically voiding itself, as happened with Nnamdi Asomugha two seasons ago, the Raiders would be free and clear. But since this was a team option, the details of the contract leave behind a large amount of dead money — $13.714 million to be exact.
Saddling over $13 million against the cap for any player is a lot. For instance, there are reports out there that the Raiders will force Carson Palmer to take a pay cut from his current $13 million salary and he’s the team’s starting quarterback. This also means Seymour, even not on the team, is the biggest cap hit they will have. That’s a bitter pill.
The good news with the contract void is the Raiders will save $5.419 million off the cap this coming season which brings them to just about $800k over the cap as it currently stands.
There will be more cuts made. The three most likely cap casualties will be Tommy Kelly, Rolando McClain, and Darrius Heyward-Bey. If all three are cut, it would be an additional savings of $17.255 million.
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So the voiding saved us 5.4 million, and moved the exorbitant cap hit from last year to this year. As I explained before, this deal wasn’t made with the knowledge that Seymour would be ineffective before missing the second half of the season. This was made for a Pro Bowl DT that made the whole line around him better.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:12 am
So Reggie did almost nothing right.. he was forced to make cuts… no cred there. Streater?.. good fa wr. But your only smart if you draft him. Fa’s can go anywhere. Reg got lucky… if reg doesnt have an amazing turnaround we will be looking at 10 and then..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:13 am
Sounds like we might need an updated 2013 Blog front office post here soon.
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JFB,
have you been retained as blog GM?
I know your contract is up.
as I member of your staff, I hope to see you lead us into the future. I remain loyal. Don’t look for me to stab you in the back and try to take your job (ala Hue Jackson). Let me know if there’s anything I can do to help you acheive continued success. My only hope is that those McClain comments don’t become your demise.
perhaps we can say that you were greatly influenced my my fellow staff member Jhill – another staunch #55 supporter
February 14th, 2013 at 7:15 am
You hated 55 Rock, and even you couldn’t have predicted THAT train wreck!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:15 am
@bcz24
You think McClain gets cut this year or they hold onto him again to try him in the 3-4?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:09 am
Routt had a GUARANTEED bonus of $5 million to him, whether cut or not.
He didn’t get his salary for the year though from us.
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exactly, those 5 milliion was dead money, and they were paid to routt.. so in other words dead money are REAL money…
you notion about its prepaid, is not true, signing bonuses are spread over the contracts width..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Attn: Bcz
Mr Brown & RRS tried to warn you about Seymour last offseason.
Jhill & RRS tried to warn you about Branch last offseason.
ROG, JFB, Len, DAV & RRS are trying to warn you about Palmer this offseason.
as the blog’s senior capologist, I suggest you listen to what we’re telling you. You remain an asset to the blog and we know you’ll turn things around.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:18 am
On 2nd thought, we can’t afford Anthony Spencer.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:18 am
59.J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Star, Millner, or Werner at 3.
Sign Anthony Spencer.
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So star at #3, sign Spencer and how does the rest of our LBs workout…Burris MLB?, Resign Wheeler for ___LB spot?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:18 am
Interesting morning…LMN is here! What’s up bro? And Rockstar…what’s up man?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:21 am
whats up, Hwnrdr?
tomorrow is my last day at the hospital and all my work is caught up. I have that “get me the heck outta here” mentality, but I’m choosing to remain professional …
However, at this point my blog bros are a higher priority than trying to find “busy work” to fill my day
February 14th, 2013 at 7:22 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:23 am
Just cut all the big money guys.. none of em earn it.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:24 am
you notion about its prepaid, is not true, signing bonuses are spread over the contracts width..
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False, signing bonuses are paid when you sign the deal, hence the terminology SIGNING bonus. The cap hit is spread over the life of the deal.
Routt’s $5 mill that we ACTUALLY had to pay him last year was guaranteed salary owed regardless if he got cut, hence ‘paid by 2 teams’
February 14th, 2013 at 7:24 am
You hated 55 Rock, and even you couldn’t have predicted THAT train wreck!
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Bcz,
RRS & Dakota tried to warn you about him too!
pre-draft we knew he would become a terrible NFL player.
What we couldn’t forsee was the off-field issues & attitude.
Kirk Morrison > McCrohns. print that
February 14th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:56 am
Whacky Blog prediction for the morning:
Andre Carter gets 9 sacks and makes a Pro Bowl this year.
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We sign Chris Ivory!!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Morning Hwnrdr
February 14th, 2013 at 7:25 am
False, signing bonuses are paid when you sign the deal, hence the terminology SIGNING bonus. The cap hit is spread over the life of the deal.
Routt’s $5 mill that we ACTUALLY had to pay him last year was guaranteed salary owed regardless if he got cut, hence ‘paid by 2 teams’
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nice to see our senior capologist hard at work this morning.
welcome back bcz, we missed you!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 am
http://www.askthecommish.com/SalaryCap/faq.aspx
Best cap info you can read. Sadly the NFL doesn’t require transparency in contracts so it is really impossible to know the specifics.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:21 am
whats up, Hwnrdr?
tomorrow is my last day at the hospital and all my work is caught up. I have that “get me the heck outta here” mentality, but I’m choosing to remain professional …
However, at this point my blog bros are a higher priority than trying to find “busy work” to fill my day
NICE!!! Good luck in your future endeavors! I heard you have one more on the way…congratulations, bro! Always good to have at least 2!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Morning Hwnrdr
How’s things are your side of the world?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:27 am
73.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:24 am
you notion about its prepaid, is not true, signing bonuses are spread over the contracts width..
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False, signing bonuses are paid when you sign the deal, hence the terminology SIGNING bonus. The cap hit is spread over the life of the deal.
Routt’s $5 mill that we ACTUALLY had to pay him last year was guaranteed salary owed regardless if he got cut, hence ‘paid by 2 teams’
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Aren’t you guys both right in a sense…from a fans perspective/salary cap it is the same thing (you don’t have that money to sign FA). From a business perspective totally different?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Mr Brown & RRS tried to warn you about Seymour last offseason.
Jhill & RRS tried to warn you about Branch last offseason.
ROG, JFB, Len, DAV & RRS are trying to warn you about Palmer this offseason.
as the blog’s senior capologist, I suggest you listen to what we’re telling you. You remain an asset to the blog and we know you’ll turn things around.
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Sadly I have no influence on the team and couldn’t prevent the Seymour deal, however, I still agree with it, we couldn’t take the hit last year. You can only cut so deep.
As for Palmer, I never once disagreed with him taking less money. I 100% agree. I certainly hope he will, because I do not want to watch a full season of The Legend starting.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Burris MLB?, Resign Wheeler for ___LB spot?
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A NT HAS to be the pick at 3 if this is the case.
Damn!
Because I’m thinking we HAVE to draft Millner.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Whacky Blog predictions for the morning:
-the themes for 2013 are go cheap & go deep
-Reggie will cut his losses with 4 or 5 more high priced underacheivers and replace them with draft picks or cheap FA’s that nobody else wants.
-he will trade down TWICE in the first round for more draft picks
February 14th, 2013 at 7:30 am
Who remember Mc55 game against the chargers this year in the opener…I was jacked to see him out there thumping chargers players…I thought 4 sure he was ready to become that boar hunter!!!
Idk what happen after that but he was back to hunting puppies not long after!!! I couldn’t explain how he regressed every week there after!!!
SMH
February 14th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Aren’t you guys both right in a sense…from a fans perspective/salary cap it is the same thing (you don’t have that money to sign FA). From a business perspective totally different?
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Cap vs Cash, from a fans perspective, it doesn’t matter we don’t have the space. Just trying to educate my brethren.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:32 am
I can see two trade downs as well.
One to get in the 7-9 range, then a trade down to the Steelers at #17 so they can get Ansah.
At #17, we take Keenen Allen maybe, Eric Reid or Matt Elam, or even maybe Glennon or another QB since we will have stockpiled some other picks.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Who remember Mc55 game against the chargers this year in the opener…I was jacked to see him out there thumping chargers players…I thought 4 sure he was ready to become that boar hunter!!!
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I agree. Week 1 against SD was his best game as a pro. Looks like he saved his whole career up for that game, and went back to being a slob.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:33 am
As for Palmer, I never once disagreed with him taking less money. I 100% agree. I certainly hope he will
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Bcz,
the consensus around the league is that Palmer isn’t worth the money he’s scheduled to haul in this year. I’m glad you’re on board!
However – there are a few blog goobers (SeyBush, Gdog & Dr Bob) trying to convince us that he’s worth every penny and compare him to Super Bowl Champs & HOF’ers
February 14th, 2013 at 7:35 am
The cap era places a premium on drafting well and building the core of your team through the draft.
Sadly, Mr Davis was taken advantage of in his later years by the “new era” NFL FA that talks a good game but in reality simply cashes paychecks.
The combination of bad drafts for the last decade and over paying free agents are the primary causes of our very very bad situation which will pague us well into 2014.
Talent x Durability x work ethic x knowledge = productivity
When one of the variables on the left equals 0, productivity equals 0.
The rookie cap offers teams much more protection for greater value. Meaning that the salary paid is more in line with the productivity that you get. Yes, the knowledge part of the equation is low with rookies but if the other three parts are in place you can have a long, productive career.
Free agents are usually free for a reason. Either their salary demands are not consistent with their body of past work or there is a low evaluation of one of the variables on the left side of the above equation by the present employer.
A guy like Gannon was a good pick up because the Chiefs had a surplus that year at QB and made the wrong choice keeping Grbac. Gannon also had not played much so his durability was good even at a relatively advanced age. Those situations are rare!
Romo. Rice and Woodson also worked out well for a VERY SHORT TIME FRAME.
You can only afford to build your core through the draft. You can pick up some niche pieces in the FA market but it needs to be done carefully and sparingly.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:35 am
Don’t rule out a blockbuster trade with SF either, they have something like 12 or 13 draft picks, plus I could see them stocking up another pick or 2 for Alex Smith.. If we could trade back a few spots, I could see them moving way up to grab Milliner, as CB looks to be their only weakness.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:35 am
http://www.ganggreennation.com/2013/2/12/3981158/potential-jets-carson-palmer
and so the rumors begin!!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Well off to V-day breakfast with the lady on nights so gotta get her out the way early but I will be peeking in to see what my Raider brothers are talking bout!!!
Raiders
1-Nation
UndaGod
February 14th, 2013 at 7:36 am
I dont want glennon
February 14th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Jets are about the only team that makes sense for Carson if he is no longer a Raider.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Will the Jets trade for Palmer? Interesting…
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 am
I dont want glennon
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Elite arm “talent”, but man he sure sounded like a major doofus during the Senior Bowl sideline interviews.
Either this year or next year, we are taking a QB at the top of our draft.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:41 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Morning Hwnrdr
How’s things are your side of the world?
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alright, though I cant wait for the snow to go away, green grass of the spring is the best in these dark parts..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Bcz,
the consensus around the league is that Palmer isn’t worth the money he’s scheduled to haul in this year. I’m glad you’re on board!
However – there are a few blog goobers (SeyBush, Gdog & Dr Bob) trying to convince us that he’s worth every penny and compare him to Super Bowl Champs & HOF’ers
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I think Palmer is the best QB on our roster, and there are no proven options that are better. One of the draft pick guys could be, but it’s a crap shoot. I think to a team with cap money available, Palmer would be worth it, however due to the sorry fiscal state of this team, we just can’t afford him at that price. He has said publicly money doesn’t matter, so I think it would be character suicide to hold us ransom for this contract (that reggie DID NOT WRITE, so please stop blaming him). I think Palmer really wants to be a part of making the change here, he is known (rightfully to this point) as a career loser, but if he leads us to the playoffs, most will forget about that. I mean no one remembers Gannon was a 10 year nobody before landing here. It is in Palmer’s best interest to take less money with us.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:42 am
bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:32 am
Who remember Mc55 game against the chargers this year in the opener…I was jacked to see him out there thumping chargers players…I thought 4 sure he was ready to become that boar hunter!!!
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I agree. Week 1 against SD was his best game as a pro. Looks like he saved his whole career up for that game, and went back to being a slob.
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Is it more prohibitive to cut McClain than just keep him on the bench? Even if keeping him would cost a little bit more than cutting him i’d say they might wanna see what he could do in a 3/4 alignment like he had in Bama.
If we do go with a dline stud in the draft he can line behind him at olb…which is his natural position and see what he can do.
I never thought i’d be saying that, but I know whichever team picks him up will do that with him…thinking he was just miscast in Oakland. Which he may have been.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Geno or next yr imo. Glennon had alot of random overthrows during the sr. practices. He looks like a stork too.. project..
February 14th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Bcz,
I don’t blame BigMac for Palmer’s contract. I blame him for the contracts of Branch & Brisiel.
and I blame him for paying Seymour $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave.
and I blame him for hiring Dennis Allen.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:46 am
No way I can see the Jets trading for Palmer. They have a $13 mill cap charge for Sanchez already, and if they cut him that jumps to $17 mill. With Palmers contract already paying him $13, the Jets just can’t tie up that much cap space on Qb
February 14th, 2013 at 7:48 am
I think geno goes 1 joeckel goes 2 and we decide between star, a de or a trade. Im thinking one of the de’s jump out at us during the combine.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Is it more prohibitive to cut McClain than just keep him on the bench? Even if keeping him would cost a little bit more than cutting him i’d say they might wanna see what he could do in a 3/4 alignment like he had in Bama.
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They no longer care about his potential, he is a cancer to this team. Our Defense improved from the bottom with him to one of the best in the league over the last 6 weeks without him. A lot to do with competition of course, but that was no coincidence.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Interesting that for cap purposes, cutting Palmer is actually better than trading him.
So in that theory, how much value is trading him? Certainly taking a bigger cap hit for a 2nd is probably worth it.
But what if the Jets or another team offers us a 4th this year and a 3rd next year?
Is that worth it?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:51 am
this is NOT the year to draft a QB
Smith & Glennon in 2013 reminds me too much of the 2007 draft class for QB’s. nobody really stands out, but some QB desperate team will take a QB in RD1 and hope they strike gold
I’ll roll the dice with Pryor and pick up a few cheap vet FA’s like Matt Moore & Kellen Clemens to compete with him for the starting job (if Palmer gets cut or traded). Both would sign here for 10 cents and have starting experience.
Guaranteed to win at least as many games as Palmer …
February 14th, 2013 at 7:54 am
“Coming in a year ago, they made a switch to a zone system,” Olson said. “I don’t know if you ever want to pigeonhole yourself that way and say, ‘That’s what we do.’ You may not be able to do that based on the players you have.”
finally someone not as stupid as krapp…DA too, changing to a freaking zone coverage defense with the slowest weakest cbs…now we run nan but got rid of our man coverage cbs, wtf?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:54 am
I don’t blame BigMac for Palmer’s contract. I blame him for the contracts of Branch & Brisiel.
and I blame him for paying Seymour $15 million to stay rather than $7.5 million to leave.
and I blame him for hiring Dennis Allen.
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Brisiel? Thats not even a bad contract though. We were going to be a ZBS team, he signed the best available ZBS guard, and paid him a LOT less most lineman of his calibur get. Sure in hindsight it looks bad, but cut the guy some slack, it was a smart signing that didn’t pan out. The best part is, unlike Al, Reg did not give Brisiel a ridiculous bonus that we couldn’t escape. If we cut Brisiel right now, we SAVE $3 mill this year… how often do you hear that about a Raider contract.
I have explained the Seymour deal numerous times, and I am 100% certain the cap charge to cut Sey last year was NOT 7.5 mill
DA? Too early to judge him. He was placed in a horrid position. Just like I refused to pass judgement on Hue after 1 year, I refuse to pass judgement on DA.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:56 am
It all starts getting confusing after awhile, but I thought we could cut Seymour last year and save 7.5 in real dollars, but the salary cap number would have been sky high.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Heard about this on 95.7, is he the “wave of the future” of RBs? 348 pound running back with breakaway speed?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/david-fangupo-348-pound-highlights-hawaii_n_2671135.html
February 14th, 2013 at 7:57 am
106.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Interesting that for cap purposes, cutting Palmer is actually better than trading him.
So in that theory, how much value is trading him? Certainly taking a bigger cap hit for a 2nd is probably worth it.
But what if the Jets or another team offers us a 4th this year and a 3rd next year?
Is that worth it?
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I can’t see how trading has a worse impact on our cap than cutting. Either way the $7.68 mill remaining SB accelerates, there would be no other financial burden that I have seen that would accompany a trade but not a cut.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:00 am
110.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:56 am
It all starts getting confusing after awhile, but I thought we could cut Seymour last year and save 7.5 in real dollars, but the salary cap number would have been sky high.
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Yes. Like I said earlier, there is so much unneccesary mystery shrouding NFL contracts, that its all really just speculation. If I remember correctly from what I heard on NFL on Sirius last offseason, the cap hit to cut Sey would have been like 15 or 16 mill. As it was with the restructure we cut Seys cap hit last year to 4 mill. Thats a huge difference, when you start the year off 22 mill over.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:05 am
@bcz24
Crazy contracts.
Have you looked into the rumor that the reason we didn’t cut McClain last year was it would cause a $20< cap hit?
"McKenzie hinted that, in 2012, the Raiders’ $30 million cap excess may have saved McClain from being released."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/19/reggie-mckenzie-mum-on-plans-for-rolando-mcclain/
February 14th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Just cut everyone. I want clowney
February 14th, 2013 at 8:07 am
I would not be against a trade of Palmer to the Jets, as long as they trade McFadden to a legit NFL team too.
Just tank the season with Pryor, and then draft Clowney and hire a new coaching staff in 2014.
Total rebuild.
We would still need a QB, unless someone finally taught Pryor how to throw.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:07 am
So Rockstar, do we have a bet or not?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:08 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Heard about this on 95.7, is he the “wave of the future” of RBs? 348 pound running back with breakaway speed?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/12/david-fangupo-348-pound-highlights-hawaii_n_2671135.html
A 348 lb running back as fast as the wind??? Lets put in a future contract on him!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Sparano has big plans in Oakland, but doesn’t want to say “Wildcat”
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 14, 2013, 9:37 AM EST
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Tony Sparano was the head coach who showed the NFL how successful the Wildcat offense can be with the Dolphins, then was the offensive coordinator who showed the NFL how dismal a failure the Wildcat offense can be with the Jets. Now Sparano is the assistant head coach and offensive line coach of the Raiders, and he doesn’t want to talk about the Wildcat.
Sparano talked on Wednesday about how excited he is about what the Raiders’ offense can do with running back Darren McFadden. Specifically, Sparano noted that when he was the head coach of the Dolphins, his quarterbacks coach was David Lee — who was the offensive coordinator at Arkansas when the Razorbacks used to use McFadden in the Wildcat. But Sparano stopped short of saying he thinks that’s what the Raiders will do this year.
“I’ve known of McFadden for a long time,” Sparano told reporters. “My quarterback coach at the time in Miami was a fella by the name of David Lee. And David Lee was at the time the coordinator at Arkansas when they were out there and they were running McFadden and Felix [Jones] and that group of guys, doing some different things with them. I don’t want to say that word, you’ll bring it up soon enough. They were doing some different things with him obviously, I got a chance to watch him and study him and get a chance to learn.”
It’s not surprising that Sparano doesn’t want to use the word “Wildcat.” After the disaster that was the Jets trading for Tim Tebow last year, allegedly because he could run the Wildcat in Sparano’s offense, Sparano probably views the Wildcat as a millstone around his neck.
But before the Wildcat became a millstone in New York, it was cited as an example of the creative way that Sparano got the most out of his offense in Miami. It wouldn’t be surprising to see Sparano help the Raiders draw up some plays in which McFadden takes the snap. Just as long as it’s clear that McFadden is more like Ronnie Brown than Tim Tebow.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 am
I dont want glennon
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Elite arm “talent”, but man he sure sounded like a major doofus during the Senior Bowl sideline interviews.
Either this year or next year, we are taking a QB at the top of our draft.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I doubt it will be this year:
1- we have too many needs to ignore on defense
2- top talent this draft are mainly defensive Players
3- G Smith is not top 10 talent, and I don’t think we should reach for him
4- it’s not a good year for QBs. Next year is better, and we will have a 2nd round pick.
5- we need to know exactly what we have with TP before reinvest a high pick on another QB ( we invested a 1st and a 2nd in CP, a 1st in JR, and a 3rd in TP)
February 14th, 2013 at 8:15 am
Our defense is not fixed.
Competition and strategy against a struggling offense (ours) had a lot to do with our late season defensive surge.
You need to look at how we fared aginst good competition.
The 55-20 pounding we took at the hands of the Ravens this year while Ngata and Lewis are laughing it up on the sidelines is a pretty good indicator of how big a gap we really have regarding player talent.
Sure we ran the ball against the Chefs and we played it close against the Browns and Jags w/o Jones Drew.
Who cares?
We get pummeled by good teams along the line of scrimmage.
We simply do not have the talent on the lines to compete against NFL playoff teams.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Wish we had extra money to spend on guys like Harvin.
He does have some primadonna in him but at least he backs it up with stellar play on the field.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Rockstar,
That is like the third time you have avoided me on this bet…..you are not
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February 14th, 2013 at 8:19 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Sparano has big plans in Oakland, but doesn’t want to say “Wildcat”
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Please trade McFadden to a team with a clue!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:21 am
1a- Star
1b- Moore
3- trade down or draft Milliner
February 14th, 2013 at 8:22 am
I can’t see how trading has a worse impact on our cap than cutting.
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I read it somewhere, think it had to do with if you cut a player you can spread the dead money out over 2 years, but not if you trade them.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:23 am
good morning all…fire shrek.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Please trade McFadden to a team with a clue!
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trade DMAC to the Jets and Palmer to the Cards
dump DHB, Kelly & McClain.
Let’s get this re-build started (finally!)
February 14th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Of course the contracts Reggie inherited protected some players form getting cut.
Without first and second round picks and being $30 million over the cap how much dead money do you think we could afford and still field a team?????
That is why I have been saying this problem spills into 2014.
That is why Reggie had to take a calculated risk with Seymour. LOOK AT IT!!!!THE HIGHEST PAID PLAYER IS A DT THAT CAN’T PLAY. REGGIE’S FAULT???????????????
“The 2012 roster purge was necessary to even lineup and play this year but no one should have fooled themselves into thinking it would mean immediate success. Not sure things will be any better in 2013.”
Contracts Reggie inherited PRIOR to getting under the cap for 2012:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
February 14th, 2013 at 8:28 am
lmao at all the dmc haters…he will be the focal point if the offense…
February 14th, 2013 at 8:28 am
he will be the focal point if the offense…
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Awesome, what do we do with the other half of the season?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:29 am
128.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Please trade McFadden to a team with a clue!
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trade DMAC to the Jets and Palmer to the Cards
dump DHB, Kelly & McClain.
Let’s get this re-build started (finally!)
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Come on now….you said there is no way we win more than 4 games with Palmer as our QB next year…..here is the bet; if Palmer starts 14 or more games for us in 2013, and we win more than four of his starts, then you will change your handle to IamAlwaysWrong for 3 months, but if he starts that many games and wins for or less games, then I will change my handle to the same.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:30 am
four* or less
February 14th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Al
I try to be respectful of everyone on the blog but is it possible for you to try and provide a cogent analysis as to:
Who should be the new GM and why they would come to Oakland given our circumstance?
How will the Raiders pay the remaining 3 years of Reggie’s contract if he were to be fired?
Are you willing to cover the remaining cost?
Other than the over simplified 8-8 to 4-12 analysis you have provided in the past; please expound upon your strategy regarding; Salary cap, Lack of draft picks, lack of roster talent and injuries in 2012 and the impact those variables had on our won loss record.
Thank You.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:34 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:22 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
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well then as the GreenParty prez would say….fuk you guys !!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Good Morning Mike! How’s that Maryland weather?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Come on now….you said there is no way we win more than 4 games with Palmer as our QB next year…..here is the bet; if Palmer starts 14 or more games for us in 2013, and we win more than four of his starts, then you will change your handle to IamAlwaysWrong for 3 months, but if he starts that many games and wins for or less games, then I will change my handle to the same.
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Dakota,
sign me up.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:37 am
I watched the Sparano interview on raiders.com and the guy seems beaten down and depressed.
I guess going from reaching the dream of being a HC in the NFL to a not so bad gig as OC for one the most covered teams in the league to now being back at square 1 where he started…an OL coach for a team picked to be the worst in the league….it makes sense he’d be down in the dumps.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:37 am
It is a bet….might as well change your handle now!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:37 am
lol lol… whats up Hwnrdr ??
February 14th, 2013 at 8:38 am
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:39 am
How’s that Maryland weather?
freezing this morning and into the 50s by lunch time !!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:40 am
We just have to keep in mind that Olson is not known for his play calling ability.
He can’t be worse than Knapp, right?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:42 am
143.papertiger418 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:40 am
We just have to keep in mind that Olson is not known for his play calling ability.
He can’t be worse than Knapp, right?
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I didn’t think we could find a DC worse than Chucky B….and we did last year.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:42 am
I know why Sparano seems depressed…he reads this blog and sees everyone talking about tanking a 16 game season and getting rid every player worth anything so that we can “rebuild” and maybe be good again in 5 years.
Can I order some prozac for you guys to cheer up?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:43 am
A big hell no to Star we need more of a impact player with the 3rd pick a big fat power pig usually doesn’t make enough plays we need a rush end who can get after the Qb or a offensive lineman take a Dt in third round or later
February 14th, 2013 at 8:43 am
I think we win more than 4 games no matter who is the QB.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:49 am
The salary cap era diced up Al like a rotten sardine.
He finally got to 8-8……in an uncapped year.
6 straight seasons of 10 losses (NFL record) I think speaks to what type of “Capologist” Al was.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:50 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:39 am
How’s that Maryland weather?
freezing this morning and into the 50s by lunch time !!
50’s by lunch time? It’s getting to be in the 60’s/70’s here…lol
February 14th, 2013 at 8:50 am
6 straight seasons of 10 losses (NFL record) I think speaks to what type of “Capologist” Al was.
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4 winning seasons out of 17…
February 14th, 2013 at 8:53 am
Of the 4 winning seasons, 1 was the first year there was such a thing as a salary cap, the other 3 were the Gruden/Callahan year in which I think most of us believe that Gruden and Lombardi were primarily responsible.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:53 am
146.ian85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:43 am
A big hell no to Star we need more of a impact player with the 3rd pick a big fat power pig usually doesn’t make enough plays we need a rush end who can get after the Qb or a offensive lineman take a Dt in third round or later
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I suggest you go check out some tape. Star is much more than a big fat guy eating space. Makes plays and is very nimble for a big man. Sort of reminds me of Big Rick in his prime.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I think we win more than 4 games no matter who is the QB.
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JFB,
you’re exactly right.
Pryor/Moore/Clemens = 6 to 8 wins
Palmer = 4 to 5 wins
February 14th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“I’m not naive enough to believe it’s all Greg Knapp’s fault,” Olson said.
This already tells me Olson might not be very smart or he isn’t very truthful.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:59 am
154.The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“I’m not naive enough to believe it’s all Greg Knapp’s fault,” Olson said.
This already tells me Olson might not be very smart or he isn’t very truthful.
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Built in excuse. Also (more likely) doesn’t want to throw a colleague under the bus. We all know it was like 97% Knapp’s fault.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:00 am
This already tells me Olson might not be very smart or he isn’t very truthful.
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You guys always try to read way too much into what coaches say. These guys just aren’t going to sh1t on their predecessors. Period. Not gonna happen.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:00 am
TP6 working out with TS87, CC35, RS80 and JS32:
http://pics.lockerz.com/s/282974812
February 14th, 2013 at 9:01 am
146.ian85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:43 am
A big hell no to Star we need more of a impact player with the 3rd pick a big fat power pig usually doesn’t make enough plays we need a rush end who can get after the Qb or a offensive lineman take a Dt in third round or later
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Most likely you are right, but if we got a Ngata/Wilfork player it would be worth it. I have no idea if Star could be that player…no idea.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:01 am
HGDaddy Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:00 am
TP6 working out with TS87, CC35, RS80 and JS32
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Remember good sports knicknames?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Raiders should’ve went after Wisenhunt. I’m not too excited about the Olsen hire.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
nickname? yeah… that.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:03 am
160.The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Raiders should’ve went after Wisenhunt. I’m not too excited about the Olsen hire.
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I dig it. Keep it simple, stupid type offense. Works well when playing with a lead or in contention. Wheels will probably fall off if we have to mount comebacks every week.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Dakota,
29 games left for the Lakers. They currently have 25 wins and 28 losses. If the playoffs started today, they’d be sitting at home watching
pretty sad to see them fight for the 8th seed with teams like Portland, Utah, Houston & Dallas
LOL!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Since 2007:
We drafted JR in the 1st
We traded 4th for JC
We drafted TP in the 3rd
We traded a 1st and a 2nd for CP
No way er draft a QB withour top 2 picks this year. No Way!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:07 am
It can always get worse.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Dakota,
29 games left for the Lakers. They currently have 25 wins and 28 losses. If the playoffs started today, they’d be sitting at home watching
pretty sad to see them fight for the 8th seed with teams like Portland, Utah, Houston & Dallas
LOL!!
Yeah, terrible year for us! But I will cry laughing if Lakers bumb that Oakland team out of #8!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:11 am
charlie, the fact of the matter is there are only 32 nfl franchises in the world…32 jobs. Of which, maybe 5 at most have a gm opening any given year. To say that nobody would want to come do this job as a gm or coach is just plain wrong. This is the top of the top…any contract can be terminated any contract…its just a payout. Easier its a payout with not your money….if mark wants to win bad enough (like his father did) he can write that check. No team has the ideal roster, always trying to upgrade…but you dont send away good players you go get good players.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:12 am
We*
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 am
LA To TheBay Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I dig it. Keep it simple, stupid type offense. Works well when playing with a lead or in contention.
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It’s the perfect scheme for the dumbest team on America.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“I’m not naive enough to believe it’s all Greg Knapp’s fault,” Olson said.
This already tells me Olson might not be very smart or he isn’t very truthful.
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I took it more that he’s saying it’s not all on the coaches…the players have to play too.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:14 am
I will cry laughing if Lakers bumb that Oakland team out of #8!
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Hwn,
who knows?
they have lost 5 straight!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Papertiger418 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 am
LA To TheBay Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I dig it. Keep it simple, stupid type offense. Works well when playing with a lead or in contention.
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It’s the perfect scheme for the dumbest team on America.
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I’ve been saying this for awhile. I think last yr. everyone had to think too much about being in the right spot all the time and making the correct “reads” in the blocking scheme that it hindered them from just playing football.
I think the switch to the power scheme is huge for this team.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Dr.
As I said to Al earlier:
I try to be respectful of everyone on the blog but is it possible for you to try and provide a cogent analysis as to:
Who should be the new GM and why they would come to Oakland given our circumstance?
How will the Raiders pay the remaining 3 years of Reggie’s contract if he were to be fired?
Are you willing to cover the remaining cost?
Other than the over simplified 8-8 to 4-12 analysis you have provided in the past; please expound upon your strategy regarding;
Raider Salary cap
Raider lack of draft picks
Raider lack of roster talent
Injuries in 2012
and the initiatives you would have implemented that would have mitigated those variables to avoid a decline in 2012 performance.
Please also include your timetable relative to playoff contention as it relates to the aformentioned strategy.
Thank You.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:19 am
169.papertiger418 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 am
LA To TheBay Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I dig it. Keep it simple, stupid type offense. Works well when playing with a lead or in contention.
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It’s the perfect scheme for the dumbest team on America.
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we were better when we ran a lot of Trick plays. Knapps playbook was the KSS type and that obviously didn’t work out.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:19 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“I’m not naive enough to believe it’s all Greg Knapp’s fault,” Olson said.
This already tells me Olson might not be very smart or he isn’t very truthful.
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I took it more that he’s saying it’s not all on the coaches…the players have to play too.
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Same here. I thought it was a fine answer. He basically acknowleged that Knapp carried some of the blame, while at the same time, the players need to do their parts as well…….
Which is absolutely true.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:19 am
i don’t think any team trades for palmer because they know we are probably going to cut him and in that case they would be able to sign him to a contract that is better for them financially. pretty much the same thing that happened with routt and wimbley, teams just waited for them to be cut. it would be dumb for another team to take on his salary. That is kind of the problem when you start talking about cutting players because if other teams get wind of it your bargaining power kind of goes out the window.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Since 2007:
We drafted JR in the 1st
We traded 4th for JC
We drafted TP in the 3rd
We traded a 1st and a 2nd for CP
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Yikes!!!!!
I am sure Reggie would like to try his hand however, in the QB search.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Who cares about the Fakers. They are not the best team in their hometown.
Go Clippers!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:21 am
He basically acknowleged that Knapp carried some of the blame, while at the same time, the players need to do their parts as well…….
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Agree, that’s exactly what the issue was.
And I think the focus of the comment was more on the issues in the running game.
Translated “Knapp’s system blew, but it wouldn’t hurt if McFadden broke a tackle once in awhile.”
February 14th, 2013 at 9:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:14 am
I will cry laughing if Lakers bumb that Oakland team out of #8!
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Hwn,
who knows?
they have lost 5 straight!!
Yeah but with all respect to the hometeam, I would hate to see them start off great then lose it in the end, but still…
February 14th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Since 2007:
We drafted JR in the 1st
We traded 4th for JC
We drafted TP in the 3rd
We traded a 1st and a 2nd for CP
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Yikes!!!!!
I am sure Reggie would like to try his hand however, in the QB search.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m sure he will too, but I doubt it will be this year.
I think next year we will draft a QB, after we release/ trade CP and know what we have with TP.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Raider O Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Who cares about the Fakers. They are not the best team in their hometown.
Go Clippers!!
LOL, O! They need to win a title first!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Some of you guys still spitting on Al’s grave. Smh.
What does posting “4 winning seasons in last 17″ over and over have to do with anything.
You guys hate Al Davis so dang much why did u ever become Raider fans in the first place?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Mr. V.P.
good day to you sir !!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:26 am
DEs more important than DTs, we must get to the QB with speed, especially with these running QBs now.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:28 am
and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY to all YOU PEOPLE !!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:28 am
I’m sure he will too, but I doubt it will be this year.
I think next year we will draft a QB, after we release/ trade CP and know what we have with TP.
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I agree with this…… It still chaps my A$$ that they didn’t play Pryor more, after we had zero chance at a playoff run.
1 game isn’t enough to get a good look; but it’s all we have, and it’s getting serious OVER-reaction. Folks are either burning him at the stake, or calling him the Messiah
February 14th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Al
Mark had to give four year contracts to a rookie GM and HC.
That is very rare.
Mark had to do that because NO ONE with prior experience in those areas wanted to come near Oakland and it was common knowledge in the NFL of how bad things were with the Raiders.
Just look at the luminaries we just brought in as coordinators. Nothing special and that is one year into the cleanup.
The fact is players are 80% of the game. Coaches are 20%
The Raider payroll tells everyone that.
Not opinion, just what the numbers say.
If you do not belive me, perhaps you will believe Madden:
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
February 14th, 2013 at 9:31 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:28 am
and HAPPY VALENTINES DAY to all YOU PEOPLE !!
LOL, YOU PEOPLE!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Can anyone clarify what’s going on in free agency right now ?
Can guys like Jennings, Bradshaw be signed ?
Or are clubs limited to expressing interest, discussing contracts etc ?
When does the actual signing frenzy begin ?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:35 am
RR
I think those that saw Reggie White and Joe Greene would argue that a DT is everybit as important as a DE.
Take a look at Ngata and Woolfolk.
Weak DT play has killed the Raiders for the last ten years.
Come on!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:35 am
I believe we can sign our own FA’s…those we want to keep, but other teams FAs has to wait til March. We also only have a couple of weeks to get under the cap!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:36 am
183.DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Some of you guys still spitting on Al’s grave. Smh.
What does posting “4 winning seasons in last 17″ over and over have to do with anything.
You guys hate Al Davis so dang much why did u ever become Raider fans in the first place?
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Because it is a valid point, ESPECIALLY when people continue to mention that ‘Al never had salary cap problems’. I became a Raiders fan for a myriad of reasons, I respect Al Davis for being the pioneer he was for this game, that doesn’t change the fact that he was simply unsuccessful as an owner/managing partner of an NFL team in the salary cap era. Period. It is not ’sh1tting on his grave’ it is just a statement of fact.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Charlie Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:35 am
RR
I think those that saw Reggie White and Joe Greene would argue that a DT is everybit as important as a DE.
Take a look at Ngata and Woolfolk.
Weak DT play has killed the Raiders for the last ten years.
Come on!!!
And when Ngata went down with an injury, that’s when Gore really ran all over the Ravens! But…
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Charlie Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Al
I try to be respectful of everyone on the blog but is it possible for you to try and provide a cogent analysis as to:
Who should be the new GM and why they would come to Oakland given our circumstance?
How will the Raiders pay the remaining 3 years of Reggie’s contract if he were to be fired?
Are you willing to cover the remaining cost?
Other than the over simplified 8-8 to 4-12 analysis you have provided in the past; please expound upon your strategy regarding; Salary cap, Lack of draft picks, lack of roster talent and injuries in 2012 and the impact those variables had on our won loss record.
Thank You.
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Not Al but I’ll answer your question.
1. I would hire Scott McCloughan. He built most of the fruity-whiners roster and he’s a former Raider so I’d say that’s why he came here. In addition, unlike our coke head owner, I would interview multiple candidates even though I would want McCloughan.
2. I don’t know, I don’t dish out the Raiders paychecks.
3. No, but I’ll pitch in to hire McCloughan.
Salary cap? Funny I only hear that as an excuse now for poor Reggie. Al had no problem manipulating it. The Lions’ president just gave an interview where he said you have to look at it multiple ways, but the Shreggie’s use it as their first excuse completely ignoring the fact that his “big” FA was a total waste.
Lack of draft picks? Then they should have never cut young guys like DVD, Barksdale and kept Chekwa on the bench while Bartell & Spencer were getting eaten alive. Perhaps, they should properly evaluated the roster as opposed to their “New Era of Excellence” strategy. Oh and also, make their picks count where as their best pick was a undrafted FA who has Al Davis written all over him.
Lack of roster talent? Obviously when you finish 8-8 for 2 straight years you have some talent to work with. Of course, when you dump a guy like Saetele for Brisel, Barksdale for Willie Smith, DVD for Bartell, keeping Marcel, Chekwa on the bench, running a system non-conducive to your best playermakers’ talents(DMC, Moore), it seems to make the staff & front office look incompetent.
BTW, if you’re using the 2012 injuries as an excuse for last season, are you applying the same litmus test for the Campbell, Ford & DMC injuries of 2011?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 am
ODB,
Good day sir.
Happy V to you sir and to all the toothless women in world.
Long Live ODB and toothless women.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:39 am
Free agency opens on Monday March 11th. NO unrestricted free agent can sign a contract with any team until that point, whether it be their own team or another. I believe teams can tender their RFA’s now, and they can negotiate new contracts for players currently under contract (see Mike Vick).
February 14th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Salary cap? Funny I only hear that as an excuse now for poor Reggie. Al had no problem manipulating it. The Lions’ president just gave an interview where he said you have to look at it multiple ways, but the Shreggie’s use it as their first excuse completely ignoring the fact that his “big” FA was a total waste.
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See… case and point.
AL DID HAVE A PROBLEM MANIPULATING THE SALARY CAP! HE HAD FOUR WINNING SEASONS OUT OF 17 WITH A SALARY CAP!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:41 am
charlie…he did not have to. He wanted to be so different from his dad because of media bias against al. Who else did he interview no one….i agree coaches are not that important until they start holding the players back…so does briesel, lee, bartell, spencer, hanson scare anyone? cmon man.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:56 am
Whacky Blog prediction for the morning
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JFB WTF? LOL The Running Rebel cheerleaders put on a pretty lousy show for a sure thing Fvcked me good, guess thats why they call it gambling huh?
If NM could have just scored one more point.
Still here one more night gonna try again will be accepting more sage wisdom. LOL
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Trapp
You are correct we were 8-8 in 2011.
Look how we compensated for the injury problem in 2011.
We mortgaged our future!!!!!
Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar/TP at QB?
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8. In addition Carson cost us a first rounder in 2012 and a second round pick in 2013.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
Throw on top of this mess the injury experience we had and no one should be surprised we declined this year.
Yes 8-8 was very misleading 2011. THE MOST EXPENSIVE 8-8 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:44 am
redskins and cowboys are being docked salary cap space but reggie has problems? puhleezee…
February 14th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Raider O Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 am
ODB,
Good day sir.
Happy V to you sir and to all the toothless women in world.
Long Live ODB and toothless women.
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Poly-grip for everyone !!!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 am
202.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:44 am
redskins and cowboys are being docked salary cap space but reggie has problems? puhleezee…
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The Redskins had 20 mill in SPACE in their cap when they were docked. Dallas is in the worst (or close second with NYJ) cap position of any team this year, they will suffer for it in 2013, as they lose a lot of key pieces.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Salary cap? Funny I only hear that as an excuse now for poor Reggie. Al had no problem manipulating it. The Lions’ president just gave an interview where he said you have to look at it multiple ways, but the Shreggie’s use it as their first excuse completely ignoring the fact that his “big” FA was a total waste.
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See… case and point.
AL DID HAVE A PROBLEM MANIPULATING THE SALARY CAP! HE HAD FOUR WINNING SEASONS OUT OF 17 WITH A SALARY CAP!!!
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That isn’t a “case and point”. If you have issues with Al’s coaching and roster selections then so be it. But every year, they said we had cap issues and it never once stopped Al from getting who you wanted. You can disagree with what his selections were but don’t give this Shreg line BS that about the salary cap. Like I said the one big FA he signed was a fu**king scrub.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 am
if youre so concerned with money, shrek can field an entire roster full of practice squad players…
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Oh and by the way, Way to bring up the 2 teams who have had equal to or less success than us in the salary cap era…
February 14th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Wasn’t Reggie White a DE?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am
That isn’t a “case and point”. If you have issues with Al’s coaching and roster selections then so be it. But every year, they said we had cap issues and it never once stopped Al from getting who you wanted. You can disagree with what his selections were but don’t give this Shreg line BS that about the salary cap. Like I said the one big FA he signed was a fu**king scrub.
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Really genius? It wasn’t a problem? Then why the fvck did we only post 4 winning seasons. The cap and mismanagement of it clearly WAS a problem for Al Davis, which is obvious by his .235 winning percentage.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Al
Ten years of bad drafts and grossly overpaying for FA talent getting the same results with seven different coaching staffs will not get corrected in one season.
It will take a minimum of three as it did with Carrol in Seattle and Shanahan in Washington.
We have far bigger problems that those two faced.
The cap, lack of picks and an obvious lack of talent (9-51 against playoff teams losing by an average score of 30-13 over the last ten years under seven different staffs) will slow our progress even more.
The 55-20 pounding we took at the hands of the Ravens this year while Ngata and Lewis are laughing it up on the sidelines is a pretty good indicator of how big a gap we really have regarding player talent.
Sure we ran the ball against the Chefs and we played it close against the Browns and Jags w/o Jones Drew.
Who cares?
We get pummeled by good teams along the line of scrimmage.
We simply do not have the talent especially on the lines to compete against NFL playoff teams and it will take two more drafts to make us competitive against playoff teams.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Star
Moore
Trade down
Milliner
February 14th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Don’t forget to remind your wife’s, GF’s, and mistress’s that men have their special day too…
http://www.steakandbj.org/
February 14th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Al Davis had more losing seasons in his 17 years with the cap than he did in the nearly 30 years prior to it. It obviously WAS a major problem for him.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Charlie Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Trapp
You are correct we were 8-8 in 2011.
Look how we compensated for the injury problem in 2011.
We mortgaged our future!!!!!
Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar/TP at QB?
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8. In addition Carson cost us a first rounder in 2012 and a second round pick in 2013.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
Throw on top of this mess the injury experience we had and no one should be surprised we declined this year.
Yes 8-8 was very misleading 2011. THE MOST EXPENSIVE 8-8 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!!
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I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
Yes, Hue traded(not Al) a 1st & 2nd rounder for Carson. But guess what, the owner signed off on it. And if he had any brains, he would have kept Carson in the same system with Hue. You see, if you’re gonna give up that much for the most important position in football, you should probably keep the HC who wanted him in the first place so you can reap the possible rewards of that.
And I don’t know what we would have finished with Boller & TP. I doubt it would be anything near 8-8 though.
What’s your next argument? The 2012 4-12 is very misleading.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:55 am
I don’t know of any of Al’s FA pickups being not something we needed at the time…except for maybe Larry Brown, but it seems the big issue was overpaying those guys and the fact they sucked when they were here for whatever reason.
Sapp was a guy who looked like a great pick up for instance and according to him we didn’t use him correctly. Not sticking up for Sapp. He was way less effective here. Could Raiders have done more to make Randy Moss more successful here?
DeAngelo Hall for example. He was good when he came here, then sucked while he WAS here, then got good again when he left.
I don’t know why that is the case. I have some ideas.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 am
That isn’t a “case and point”. If you have issues with Al’s coaching and roster selections then so be it. But every year, they said we had cap issues and it never once stopped Al from getting who you wanted. You can disagree with what his selections were but don’t give this Shreg line BS that about the salary cap. Like I said the one big FA he signed was a fu**king scrub.
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Really genius? It wasn’t a problem? Then why the fvck did we only post 4 winning seasons. The cap and mismanagement of it clearly WAS a problem for Al Davis, which is obvious by his .235 winning percentage.
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Probably due to the following…Firing Art Shell after 94, getting fu**ed in the Elway trade, not hiring strong HC’s, poor FA moves & average draft picks, but the biggest thing was not keeping the continuity that we had from 63-94.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Just because Al narrowly avoided “salary cap hell” by fielding a last place team almost every year doesn’t mean he was any good at managing the cap.
And what is with this “Al always got who he wanted”?
Really? So he got WHOEVER we wanted, and still lost 10 games a year an NFL record amount of time?
Yeah Al kept the guys on the team he wanted, but I am sure there were plenty of FA’s we didn’t get that Al wanted.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
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Lame argument. It matters because correctly managing money, salary cap, and draft picks DIRECTLY influences the teams ability to be successful. Period. It matters because a broke team, devoid of draft picks can’t be successful. In case the thought hasn’t crossed your mind yet, the ONLY thing everyone on this board can agree on is that we want the Raiders to be successful.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Jesus,
UNLV dogged us!!!!
Not much to fire on tonight is there, a couple of NBA games?
February 14th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 am
if youre so concerned with money, shrek can field an entire roster full of practice squad players…
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LOL! I wonder what team they will come from. Funny, their first defense of Reggie is what Al “left them with”….I wonder if Al thought that when he took over for Bill Conkright & Marty Feldman.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
No one values the contributions that Mr. Davis made to the Raiders and the NFL/AFL more than me.
I have been a Raiders fan since the 60″s.
The reality says that the last ten years either Mr. Davis and/or his trusted advisors were unable to compete at the NFL level. The won loss record says it all!!!!!
The cap issues and lack of picks we inherited last year are real.
Not figments of anyone’s imagination.
That reality means we are in the second year of a 3-5 year rebuilding program.
No emotion. Just cold clinical objectivity.
No immediate gratification in sight.
Just hard work from a man (Reggie) highly respected in the NFL
(and also by Madden who helped interviewed him and Wolf who recommended him.)
“It’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players,” Madden said. “It’s all about players. We can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that. That’s all nice but you have to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win. If you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. … They’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have them, then they’re going to keep trying until they get them.”
“Vic Tafur, the Raiders beat writer for the San Francisco Chronicle sat down with Madden today and the great one shared his opinion on Dennis Allen’s first year as the head coach of the Raiders. While Madden did not go into great detail, breaking down how Allen’s first season went, what he did say was very telling. Basically, Madden stated that Allen was coaching a team that simply did not have enough talent on it to do much better than the 4-12 record the first year head coach put up.
Now, it is no surprise to hear that the Raiders lacked talent this past season, anyone who watched the games could see it. What is interesting about Madden’s comments is that he did not think there was much hope for the Raiders to have fared better than they did in 2012. That seems to go along with what a lot of people are saying, that Allen should get a pass on his first season because he had so little talent to work with.”
“He’s got a ways to go. He was playing the game without a full deck. To be honest, they don’t have enough players. The cupboard was pretty bare. It would have been tough to do much more than what they did.
“If he’s going to do well, they gotta get a lot more … some teams need a quarterback or a running back, or a pass rusher … The Raiders need a whole barrel of guys.”-madden
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
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Fair enough, then since it cost us in the future, no whining about going 4-12 last year.
And let’s carry it further. You don’t play for the team, why do you care what the record is? Why do you care if they Win or Lose? You aren’t on the team, you didn’t play a down on the season.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
charlie, i agree the defense lastyear was putrid…why is that? Reggie dumped players…brought in scrubs…and you want more of that? There is no 5 year plan anymore, teams are better from 1 season to the next. you keep saying we have no talent, you are partly right but its because of reggie dumping als picks those guys were developing. So now you want to start another development? and in 3 years when those guys svck another development?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
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Lame argument. It matters because correctly managing money, salary cap, and draft picks DIRECTLY influences the teams ability to be successful. Period. It matters because a broke team, devoid of draft picks can’t be successful. In case the thought hasn’t crossed your mind yet, the ONLY thing everyone on this board can agree on is that we want the Raiders to be successful.
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And that’s funny cuz when Gannon & Gruden were here, there was no discussions of the salary cap during that time.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Not getting Elway in the 80s made us a bad team for 10 consecutive years from 2003 on? Brilliant. Let me guess, you believe a butterfly flapping its wings in Japan is the reason we can’t get a new stadium right?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:02 am
And that’s funny cuz when Gannon & Gruden were here, there was no discussions of the salary cap during that time.
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HAHAHAHAHA When Gruden and Lombardi had control of the roster AND mortgaged our long term future for 3 (of the 4) winning seasons in the salary cap era?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:02 am
its not your money jfb…this isnt a state budget.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Just because Al narrowly avoided “salary cap hell” by fielding a last place team almost every year doesn’t mean he was any good at managing the cap.
And what is with this “Al always got who he wanted”?
Really? So he got WHOEVER we wanted, and still lost 10 games a year an NFL record amount of time?
Yeah Al kept the guys on the team he wanted, but I am sure there were plenty of FA’s we didn’t get that Al wanted.
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It was meant to say “he” wanted. Again you’re arguing roster pickups. I’m not, I’m just saying he didn’t use the salary cap as an excuse that his hands were full like Chubby Checker does…well once we started getting our ass handed to us.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Mark should have not let Hue make that trade for Carson, and we could have been exactly like the Bears that year, take our medicine and come back the next season with the shelves stocked.
But, hindsight is always 20/20. I, nor anyone in the front office I imagine, expected Carson to go on a turnover binge like he has in the 1.5 years.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:03 am
LOL ODB.
Who needs spit? Blood will do.
Nasty….
You sir are NASTY.
I solute you!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Trapp
You are trying to over simplify a very complex issue.
The hole that was dug was twofold.
It was a combination of a lack of draft picks as a result of needing PANIC DEALS(SEYMOUR) to compensate for HORRIBLE drafting over a decade AND having the highest payroll on any NFL team in 2012 let alone 2010.
When Reggie took the job:
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. That is easily the most money ever spent on a team in the history of the NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
We are about FIVE million over the cap in 2013 without even drafting a player.
“Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again.”
The fact is Mr Davis kept kicking the can down the road, then Hue got Palmer making the cap situation worse AND giving up two very high draft picks in 2012 and 2013.
This is why I have said that it will take 3-5 years to fix this mess and that our problems are VERY COMPLEX!!!!!
It is also why I say Reggie had NOTHING to do with the mess. His hands were tied when he took the job and I laugh when some on this blog were surprised we had the season we had. ZERO ROSTER DEPTH (due to the aforementioned cap problems AND A BAD ROSTER TO BEGIN WITH) and several injuries were the primary culprits.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am
James Trapp, Even if Reggie, Mark and DA hated Palmer if you are spending that much money on a player that you decide to stick with, wouldn’t u want to put that “investment” (whoever made the investment is immaterial..you own it now) in the best possible situation to succeed? “Let’s have Palmer do this offensive scheme he’s never really done before and let’s give him this udfa rookie who made 19 catches in college as his go to guy”. “We want to get the most out of this huge investment”.
It almost looks like this whole switch in offensive scheme was done to secure the services of the offensive genius Greg Knapp…so he could work with “what he knows”. “Palmer and DMAC will pick up on it…it’ll be a long, painful process though…but we NEED Greg Knapp. WE can’t afford NOT to have him”.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:05 am
its not your money jfb…this isnt a state budget.
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Really, it’s not my money?
Whew……I am relieved now.
It is my team, and yours, and managing their money effects their ability to win.
I like it when they win, so I would like them to be better with THEIR money.
Get it?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Charlie Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Trapp
You are correct we were 8-8 in 2011.
Look how we compensated for the injury problem in 2011.
We mortgaged our future!!!!!
Do you think we would have been 8-8 with Bollar/TP at QB?
IT WAS A VERY EXPENSIVE 8-8. In addition Carson cost us a first rounder in 2012 and a second round pick in 2013.
“As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $22 million-twice the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN in 2012.”
The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
Throw on top of this mess the injury experience we had and no one should be surprised we declined this year.
Yes 8-8 was very misleading 2011. THE MOST EXPENSIVE 8-8 TEAM IN NFL HISTORY!!!!!!!!!
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I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
Yes, Hue traded(not Al) a 1st & 2nd rounder for Carson. But guess what, the owner signed off on it. And if he had any brains, he would have kept Carson in the same system with Hue. You see, if you’re gonna give up that much for the most important position in football, you should probably keep the HC who wanted him in the first place so you can reap the possible rewards of that.
And I don’t know what we would have finished with Boller & TP. I doubt it would be anything near 8-8 though.
What’s your next argument? The 2012 4-12 is very misleading
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if we didn’t trade for palmer we probably would have ended up 5-11 or 6-12 (maybe one more win). bt we would have had a high first rd pick (5-11 would have ogtten us a top8 pick, 6-10 a top 11 pick)and we would have kept our second rd pick this year. plus we wouldm have saved a lot of money on not paying palmers contract, which would have helped us in FA last yr and this yr moreso.
TO think we could have had players like mark barron, luke kuechly, etc. in the first rd, traded down for more picks, we would have our 2nd rnd pick this yr. I think that trade was horrible. That said, what you said in your second paragraph makes a lot of sense.
I still wish we never made the trade.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 am
I don’t care how “expensive” it was to go 8-8. I, nor you, spent one fricking dime on these players’ salaries, so quit the incessant whining as if it’s coming out of your pocket.
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Fair enough, then since it cost us in the future, no whining about going 4-12 last year.
And let’s carry it further. You don’t play for the team, why do you care what the record is? Why do you care if they Win or Lose? You aren’t on the team, you didn’t play a down on the season.
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Actually, I’d say Mark’s dumbass decision to fire Hue after 1 season, who in turn interviews only 1 person for GM, who in turn cuts players just because, who in turn hires a fu**ing pu$$y to be HC who smiles with the Broncos HC after getting his ass handed to him, who in turn hires a proven failure at OC who switches the scheme that doesn’t best suit his personnel is more responsible for the 4-12 season than not having your 1st & 2nd round picks.
And BTW, W’s & L’s is the only thing that matters to me.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:05 am
its not your money jfb…this isnt a state budget.
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Really, it’s not my money?
Whew……I am relieved now.
It is my team, and yours, and managing their money effects their ability to win.
I like it when they win, so I would like them to be better with THEIR money.
Get it?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No! lol
I noticed that a lot of posters don’t understand the business part of the team. Salary cap, sunk costs, etc…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:08 am
What one of “Al’s guys” did Reggie dump that is “developing”?
DVD, Barksdale and Campbell? LOL
We kept Al’s guys that were worth keeping and trying to develop. Pryor, Veldheer, Branch, Houston, Bryant, Reece, etc.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:09 am
lol lol O. yes , yes i am sir !!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:21 am
He basically acknowleged that Knapp carried some of the blame, while at the same time, the players need to do their parts as well…….
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Agree, that’s exactly what the issue was.
And I think the focus of the comment was more on the issues in the running game.
Translated “Knapp’s system blew, but it wouldn’t hurt if McFadden broke a tackle once in awhile.”
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Greg may have been hinting that DA and REG shoulder the blame for hiring Knapp and telling him to teach the ZBS.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Not getting Elway in the 80s made us a bad team for 10 consecutive years from 2003 on? Brilliant. Let me guess, you believe a butterfly flapping its wings in Japan is the reason we can’t get a new stadium right?
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Well, no it wouldn’t affect anything from 1998 on cuz Elway retired in 98 I believe. But having him at QB would have greatly enhanced this team’s winning % during the precious salary cap era wouldn’t it?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:10 am
#1 overall pick in 2014!!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:10 am
And BTW, W’s & L’s is the only thing that matters to me.
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Well that is a Macro view of it, some of us like to look at the Micro view of it.
But yes, W-L is ultimately all that matters to anyone, but how you construct those W-L records is intriguing to some of us.
If not you, fine.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:04 am
James Trapp, Even if Reggie, Mark and DA hated Palmer if you are spending that much money on a player that you decide to stick with, wouldn’t u want to put that “investment” (whoever made the investment is immaterial..you own it now) in the best possible situation to succeed? “Let’s have Palmer do this offensive scheme he’s never really done before and let’s give him this udfa rookie who made 19 catches in college as his go to guy”. “We want to get the most out of this huge investment”.
It almost looks like this whole switch in offensive scheme was done to secure the services of the offensive genius Greg Knapp…so he could work with “what he knows”. “Palmer and DMAC will pick up on it…it’ll be a long, painful process though…but we NEED Greg Knapp. WE can’t afford NOT to have him”.
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I don’t disagree
February 14th, 2013 at 10:12 am
“I was pleasantly surprised watching the tape to see that in a lot of the downhill lead plays where you need a fullback in there, he wasn’t a big thumper type but he did go willingly and block some of those linebackers,” Olson said.
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Hilarious! And why wouldn’t he?? If you are a Running Back, you can’t be afraid of a “Big Bad” Linebacker ala Michael Bush..245, scared of Blocking…
Its part of the position kids! As a linebacker you are going to block Linebackers, Defensive Ends, AND Defensive Tackles from time to time. You think for 1 Millisecond that Walter Payton didn’t “go willingly and block some of those linebackers” Come on Man! You think any Running Backs were scared to go block Kirk Morrison or Rolando McClain?? Please!
Im glad Marcel isn’t a wuss like Bush was, but I just think its laughable that he is getting a pat on the back for doing his job..again, not a knock on the guy, Its just funny and indicative of how coddled these players have become.
Moving on..
February 14th, 2013 at 10:13 am
so you have to pay players to get them…you have to pay good players good money to keep them…its not that hard to understand. If you think seymour and kelly are not good, thats another arguement…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:14 am
No! lol
I noticed that a lot of posters don’t understand the business part of the team. Salary cap, sunk costs, etc…
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And this genius thinks CP’s upcoming salary costs are a “sunk cost.”
I mean, why else would anyone get rid of him?
I get a kick out of it every time he brings it up.
Pssttt… first rule of holes: STOP DIGGING!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Hey Charlie, I NEVER liked the Seymour trade. I thought we gave up TOO Much to get Palmer. I DIDN’T Like the DHB pick either.
But guess what, RIPPING Al’s selections while he was dying, doesn’t make Chubby Checker some genius. If you Reggime fans would spend more time defending what Denise and him have ACTUALLY done that should inspire confidence in me, go ahead.
Here I’ll get ya started.
1. Benched McClain
2. signed 2 solid players in FA(Streater, Wheeler)
February 14th, 2013 at 10:16 am
Free agency opens on Monday March 11th. NO unrestricted free agent can sign a contract with any team until that point, whether it be their own team or another. I believe teams can tender their RFA’s now, and they can negotiate new contracts for players currently under contract (see Mike Vick).
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Restricted FAs
28 Phillip Adams CB
31 Coye Francies CB
Exclusive-Rights FAs
14 Duke Calhoun WR
78 Zach Hurd OT
67 Alex Parsons C/G
29 Brandian Ross CB
32 Jeremy Stewart RB
Should any of these guys be retained ??
February 14th, 2013 at 10:17 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…i know i know you want him gone…brighter minds have said no.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Anybody think Reggie will get Palmer, McFadden or Heyward-Bey signed to new contracts before the start of free agency next month ??
what about Kelly, Branch or Huff?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:18 am
in terms of al davis, he did get us some good players, and most of the guys he drafted were rated high when he drafted them (gallery, mcfadden, huff, McClain) . Even jamarcus russell was the best qb “prospect” that year and we needed a qb. Yea i would have loved to have adrian peterson or calvin johnson obviously. but geno smith isnt the highest rated player in the draft and he is still gonna go real high, even #1 because he is a qb. Bradford wasn’t the highest rated player in the draft but he went #1. back to the topic. he also brought in some good free agents (moss, seymour). At the end of the day these guys have to go out and play at a high level, and none of them have.
I don’t really have a beef about the way al handled the draft and free agency, i have more of a beef with the way he handled his coaching staff. I think you hire a staff and let them do their thing, he constantly got guys he could manipulate and always had to have it done his way. also the constant switching of coaches was detrimental to the developent of our young players imo. That is what was holding this team back the last 10 or so yrs in my opinion. I think we will be good again, i hope its sooner than later.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Should any of these guys be retained ??
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Adams and Stewart definitely earned the right to stick. Francies and Ross will probably stick for Spec teams at minimum contracts. Parsons Hurd and Calhoun will have to earn the right to make the team come camp…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:19 am
none of those scrubs need to stay…maybe parsons.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…
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You have no legs to stand on with those guys, Not a single one of them has done anything with their new teams.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:08 am
What one of “Al’s guys” did Reggie dump that is “developing”?
DVD, Barksdale and Campbell? LOL
We kept Al’s guys that were worth keeping and trying to develop. Pryor, Veldheer, Branch, Houston, Bryant, Reece, etc.
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I’m not sold on Burris, Criner, Bergstrom. But unlike Shreg, I’m at least willing to give time to determing that they completely suck just like I waited for Tim Brown, Nnamdi & Lester to develop.
They kept Reece on the bench for the 1st half of the year. Go watch the film on Chekwa the last 2 weeks. He was our best CB on film. Barksdale filled in for the Rams and was solid for them from what I SAW. And Shreg cuts him & signs Willie Smith who is gawd awful, and yet you guys wanna cry about “Depth” on the team? You don’t create “depth” by cutting young guys who need time to develop and replace them with crap talent.
They even told us Pryor isn’t ready to be a backup, but then he plays a solid game IMO in his 1st start in 2 years, where he did this weird thing called scoring TD’s in the red zone which we didn’t do the previous 2 weeks.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
When guys are formulating and expressing their opinions here I guess it’s only natural to spin things for guys they like and against guys they don’t.
We can sit here and say “we had the worst defense in history, no running game and no receivers even ranking in the top 50 of the league…a horrible OC in Greg Knapp who changed the whole scheme to not fit the QB’s strength”..etc.etc.etc. But…”It doesn’t matter. We were 4-12 so Palmer sucks”.
Then for Reggie’s defense it’s the myriad of “reasons” why he was the only rookie GM out of 7 in the league who ended up with worse record than what he inherited.
“8-8 to 4-12…Reggie sucks”. “No, no no, you have to understand all he was up against…”
I believe Reggie has legit “reasons’ for having the team he inherited go from a defensive stop from the playoffs to arguably the worst team in football in one fell swoop, but strange when it comes to all the “reasons” Palmer didn’t post the W’s it comes down to “Well…HE was 4-12 and that’s it”.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Will Shrek be able to land any quality free agents?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am
TO think we could have had players like mark barron, luke kuechly, etc. in the first rd, traded down for more picks, we would have our 2nd rnd pick this yr. I think that trade was horrible. That said, what you said in your second paragraph makes a lot of sense.
I still wish we never made the trade.
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So who was our QB last year and going forward? And at what cost? All starting QB’s are costly, and if you aren’t sold on Pryor… what do we trade to bring Alex Smith or Flynn in? Draft picks perhaps? And then they kinda want to have a salary too after that.
Please… all this hand wringing over the trade is comical sometimes. We NEEDED a QB, and he was the only decent one available. Lets make the best of it not by whining, but by simply putting a better team arund him at all costs!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am
250.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Anybody think Reggie will get Palmer, McFadden or Heyward-Bey signed to new contracts before the start of free agency next month ??
what about Kelly, Branch or Huff?
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signing DMC to a 3-4 yr deal would probably be a good idea bc it would alleviate cap space this year, he will come cheap because he is coming off a bad performance year, and he is still young and the offense could still build around him, as that seems like the plan anyway. It seems kind of silly to bring in an O coordinator and specifically suit your offense to a player and then let him walk next offseason. Also i hope palmer and dhb restrcture significantly. DHb seems more likely to do so. if not, cut both of them
February 14th, 2013 at 10:23 am
giving branch big money was such a bad idea, in hindsight. should have just franchised him like the niners did to goldson. Safeties dont make a lot of money anyway.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Im glad Marcel isn’t a wuss like Bush was, but I just think its laughable that he is getting a pat on the back for doing his job..again, not a knock on the guy, Its just funny and indicative of how coddled these players have become.
Moving on..
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It’s too bad there aren’t a bunch of “Justin Fargas” type attitudes. It would be a stretch to even call him a “Mediocre” Running back….
But man, that guy had the EYES…and he was absolutely FEARLESS. He’d have one violent Fuc*ing collision after another.
I remember one play when he WAS the replay, and he was just running a little “Out Route”. The play itself was nothing special, but the annalyists were like….
“Watch Fargas Chip this Defensive End”
Justin started for the perimiter and CRACKED the end So hard it put him on his A$$. The annalysts chuckled and said something like “Well, there’s one guy on this team that plays with some emotion at least.”
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
you sit there with a straight face and say dvd is not better than francies and ross, lee, adams and hanson? gimme a break go watch some football.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…
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You have no legs to stand on with those guys, Not a single one of them has done anything with their new teams.
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Barksdale & DVD have only been in the league 2 years now. If they would have failed here, so be it. But replacing them with 2 old farts that are WAY WORSE than the young guys is effing asinine. Shreg has no excuse for those moves.
Even DVD has more INT’s(1) than Bartell has in the last 4 years.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:27 am
258.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am
TO think we could have had players like mark barron, luke kuechly, etc. in the first rd, traded down for more picks, we would have our 2nd rnd pick this yr. I think that trade was horrible. That said, what you said in your second paragraph makes a lot of sense.
I still wish we never made the trade.
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So who was our QB last year and going forward? And at what cost? All starting QB’s are costly, and if you aren’t sold on Pryor… what do we trade to bring Alex Smith or Flynn in? Draft picks perhaps? And then they kinda want to have a salary too after that.
Please… all this hand wringing over the trade is comical sometimes. We NEEDED a QB, and he was the only decent one available. Lets make the best of it not by whining, but by simply putting a better team arund him at all costs!
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We could have drafted a qb. wilson went in the 3rd round. or we could have went stop gap player (kind f what carson is anyway right now at 33), or we could have seen what we had in pryor.. I never said i wasn’t sold on pryor i’m excited to see what he can do that’s what i’ve been saying all along. He wasn’t worth what we gave up to get him. i’m not whining about it i’m stating a fact. you say build around him, at a 15 mil cap hit we can’t build around him bc we can’t afford any players and are missing draft picks, the dude is 33. cu say build around him, i say cut your losses unless he will significantly take a pay cut. roll with pryor build around him
February 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
you sit there with a straight face and say dvd is not better than francies and ross, lee, adams and hanson? gimme a break go watch some football.
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I agree that DVD showed more than those guys. But Chekwa should have been given opportunities.
What really irks me is that comment Shreg made about the “culture change” that they are instituting. So then they should have cut Joselio Hansen for trash-talking Anquan Boldin while we’re down 30 pints right? Or is it ok cuz he’s “my guy”
February 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
258.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:22 am
TO think we could have had players like mark barron, luke kuechly, etc. in the first rd, traded down for more picks, we would have our 2nd rnd pick this yr. I think that trade was horrible. That said, what you said in your second paragraph makes a lot of sense.
I still wish we never made the trade.
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So who was our QB last year and going forward? And at what cost? All starting QB’s are costly, and if you aren’t sold on Pryor… what do we trade to bring Alex Smith or Flynn in? Draft picks perhaps? And then they kinda want to have a salary too after that.
Please… all this hand wringing over the trade is comical sometimes. We NEEDED a QB, and he was the only decent one available. Lets make the best of it not by whining, but by simply putting a better team arund him at all costs!
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i would have rather traded for orton, would have cost less and probably would have produced the same results in the win/loss column…honestly
February 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…
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You have no legs to stand on with those guys, Not a single one of them has done anything with their new teams.
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Barksdale & DVD have only been in the league 2 years now. If they would have failed here, so be it. But replacing them with 2 old farts that are WAY WORSE than the young guys is effing asinine. Shreg has no excuse for those moves.
Even DVD has more INT’s(1) than Bartell has in the last 4 years.
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I didn’t get that decision either.. especially since right before cutting him, DVD made a great read on a pass in the endzone in a preseason game, jumped the route and intercepted a pass. They cut him like a day later.
I’m thinking… this is the way this team rewards good play??
February 14th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Its all about those books. Nothing exciting will happen until they get straightened out
February 14th, 2013 at 10:33 am
i would have rather traded for orton, would have cost less and probably would have produced the same results in the win/loss column…honestly
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Maybe so, but that is who is going to be our QB going forward? Orton? REALLY?
At the very least that would mean we use our number one pick this year on a QB, instead of plugging one of the other holes that happen to be all over our roster… and then we have to pray he doesn’t suck because this is a down year for QBs.
Stop all the hand wringing about CP! Just put a better team around him and move on!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:35 am
265…exactly, als plan had dvd and chekwa as our future corners…a third cb was coming in the draft. But these fools bring in these scrubs thinking “we’ll just let them
play zone…” well we saw how that worked.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:35 am
267.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…
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You have no legs to stand on with those guys, Not a single one of them has done anything with their new teams.
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Barksdale & DVD have only been in the league 2 years now. If they would have failed here, so be it. But replacing them with 2 old farts that are WAY WORSE than the young guys is effing asinine. Shreg has no excuse for those moves.
Even DVD has more INT’s(1) than Bartell has in the last 4 years.
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I didn’t get that decision either.. especially since right before cutting him, DVD made a great read on a pass in the endzone in a preseason game, jumped the route and intercepted a pass. They cut him like a day later.
I’m thinking… this is the way this team rewards good play??
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cutting barksdale in favor of a zbs guys kinda makes sense at the time, obviously not in hindsight. it would have been real nice to have an sec mauer in our power blocking scheme. Cutting dvd was the dumbest decision i saw this yr. we was inexpensive, learning, hard working, and athletic as hell. and yea he gave up some big plays, who the hell on our defense didnt give up big plays????? he was bad against the run, what cb did we have that was good against the run? he was also in the right position alot in coverage especially man to man which is more than i can say for 99.9% of our corners. kinda sucks but o well
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 am
orton? i just threw up…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:29 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:21 am
dvd yes…much better than the scrubs we have now barksdale yes even campbell now that power is back with dmc its on…
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You have no legs to stand on with those guys, Not a single one of them has done anything with their new teams.
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Barksdale & DVD have only been in the league 2 years now. If they would have failed here, so be it. But replacing them with 2 old farts that are WAY WORSE than the young guys is effing asinine. Shreg has no excuse for those moves.
Even DVD has more INT’s(1) than Bartell has in the last 4 years.
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I didn’t get that decision either.. especially since right before cutting him, DVD made a great read on a pass in the endzone in a preseason game, jumped the route and intercepted a pass. They cut him like a day later.
I’m thinking… this is the way this team rewards good play??
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IMO it was “My guy” move
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Barksdale filled in for the Rams and was solid for them from what I SAW.
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He played one good half for the Rams, then stunk for a game and got hurt.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Untill then the plan is to build through the draft and sign middle of the road FA’s. Looking for men who love to play football.
Reggie will find them and by the time the books get straight he will have a solid foundation to add on to.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Let me say this one more time.
We have lost for the last ten years because our players are not good enough.
Same results with seven different staffs tells you so.
Coaching at most is 20% of the equation. Let me know when coaches become more than 50% of the Raider payroll and I will listen to a different argument.
Our drafts have been bad FROM 2002 TO 2011. BAD!!!!!
Either due to bad picks or a loss of high selections.
To make matters worse we overpaid for overrated overhyped free agents (Wilson, Hall, Sapp,Kelly, Warren,Moss etc. etc.) and gave away high picks on others. (Seymour and Palmer)
The cupboard was bare on the field and in the bank account and you think Reggie (or anyone ) comes in and starts to win after a decade of losing in year one????????????????????????????????
Surely you jest!
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $30 million for 2012-nearly three times the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
February 14th, 2013 at 10:38 am
#271
I agree with most everything you are saying but they could have at least let Barksdale compete in a ZBS scheme as opposed to signing some scrub.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:39 am
Then for Reggie’s defense it’s the myriad of “reasons” why he was the only rookie GM out of 7 in the league who ended up with worse record than what he inherited.
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Want to bet?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:40 am
he was bad against the run, what cb did we have that was good against the run? he was also in the right position alot in coverage especially man to man which is more than i can say for 99.9% of our corners. kinda sucks but o well
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How many CB’s have we had over the years that can read a QB and jump a route? I will answer that honestly.. ZERO! They all do the same thing… the famous “Raider Trail Technique.” They all trail the receiver until they catch the ball and then tackle him before he gets too many more yards. I’ve only watched our CBs do this three thousand times since we let James Trapp go!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:41 am
exactly dvd is up and coming steelers improved by reggies mistake….meanwhile our cb depth is so bad we have free safety starting…chekwa i like at least he is still there..
February 14th, 2013 at 10:42 am
269.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:33 am
i would have rather traded for orton, would have cost less and probably would have produced the same results in the win/loss column…honestly
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Maybe so, but that is who is going to be our QB going forward? Orton? REALLY?
At the very least that would mean we use our number one pick this year on a QB, instead of plugging one of the other holes that happen to be all over our roster… and then we have to pray he doesn’t suck because this is a down year for QBs.
Stop all the hand wringing about CP! Just put a better team around him and move on!
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so who is gonna be our qb moving forward? palmer? If we would have traded for orton it probably would have cost us a 6th rd pick at worst. in terms of the future orton would have been a better decision. we could have had tannehill, wilson, foles in the draft or went after p. manning(probably wouldnt have come here, flynn, alex smith (who i dont even like), or someone else in free agency and it would have saved us our pick and would be less expensive. palmer is making 15 mil this yr. even with the fat contract he signed as a FA flynn is only 7 mil this yr. be real, they aren’t building around carson palmer even if he stays they are gonna be going to pryor or another qb in the next 2-3 yrs. and with palmer we dont have the cap room or enough picks to build quickly
February 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Rolando McClain will not be a Raider 6 months from now…
the only other overpaid underachievers under contract are:
Palmer
McFadden
Heyward-Bey
Kelly
Branch
Huff
I hope BigMac can get something done in the next 3 or 4 weeks …
February 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am
I didn’t get that decision either.. especially since right before cutting him, DVD made a great read on a pass in the endzone in a preseason game, jumped the route and intercepted a pass. They cut him like a day later.
I’m thinking… this is the way this team rewards good play??
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IMO it was “My guy” move
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BINGO!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:43 am
279.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:40 am
he was bad against the run, what cb did we have that was good against the run? he was also in the right position alot in coverage especially man to man which is more than i can say for 99.9% of our corners. kinda sucks but o well
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How many CB’s have we had over the years that can read a QB and jump a route? I will answer that honestly.. ZERO! They all do the same thing… the famous “Raider Trail Technique.” They all trail the receiver until they catch the ball and then tackle him before he gets too many more yards. I’ve only watched our CBs do this three thousand times since we let James Trapp go!
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bad coaching? no one ever taught these guys to look for the ball. kinda weird, but yea i noticed that as well.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:44 am
exactly dvd is up and coming steelers improved by reggies mistake
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Really? He wasn’t even active for 9 of their 16 games, and the games he WAS active he had 1 solo tackle and 2 assists. How exactly did that make them better?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am
you can love football all you want, we all love football…doesnt mean you can keep up or exceed the level of play out there…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:58 am
Jesus,
UNLV dogged us!!!!
Not much to fire on tonight is there, a couple of NBA games?
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Hell JFB its Nevada. There are 50 games tonight and thats just NCAA LOL
Ya think a guy could pick 4 winners LMAO.
Fvckin UNLV
February 14th, 2013 at 10:46 am
The Tennessee Titans rookie GM Ruston Webster had the second most available cap space AND a full compliment of draft picks AND inherited a team that just 2 years prior was the best team in the AFC and he went from 9-7 to 6-10.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
DVD was a player I was hoping would develop. But, how would he have fared against our division of passers (Minus KC really)? But it is what it is. No use getting bent out of shape about it now!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
i’m not saying i want orton as our qb, i was talking about just for finishing that season, instead of making the “blockbuster” trade that left us with no 1st rnd pick last yr, no 2nd this yr, and a huge cap hit… i know orton sucks, but i mean we went 3-6 down the stretch anyway, and 4-12 this season. at least we would have known we need a qb soon and we could have addressed it and would have had the $ to address it.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 am
Barksdale filled in for the Rams and was solid for them from what I SAW.
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He played one good half for the Rams, then stunk for a game and got hurt.
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He played 6 games and started 2 so what are you basing this on? BTW, did we get even get one good half out of slick Willie?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:48 am
288.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:46 am
The Tennessee Titans rookie GM Ruston Webster had the second most available cap space AND a full compliment of draft picks AND inherited a team that just 2 years prior was the best team in the AFC and he went from 9-7 to 6-10.
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spent too much time trying to get p. manning and it backfired, hard!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:49 am
so who is gonna be our qb moving forward? palmer? If we would have traded for orton it probably would have cost us a 6th rd pick at worst. in terms of the future orton would have been a better decision. we could have had tannehill, wilson, foles in the draft or went after p. manning(probably wouldnt have come here, flynn, alex smith (who i dont even like), or someone else in free agency and it would have saved us our pick and would be less expensive. palmer is making 15 mil this yr. even with the fat contract he signed as a FA flynn is only 7 mil this yr. be real, they aren’t building around carson palmer even if he stays they are gonna be going to pryor or another qb in the next 2-3 yrs. and with palmer we dont have the cap room or enough picks to build quickly
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Flynn would still cost us draft picks that we need to rebuild (didn’t I just say that?) And yes, CP will be our QB going forward. I’m guessing for two more years unless he face plants himself completely next season.
Deal with it and here’s a thought… ROOT for him! He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon. Most teams fans would be happy about this… but NNNNNNNNNNNNoOOOOOOooooo
February 14th, 2013 at 10:51 am
child please…depth and now in his third year real competition…but who cares its the squeelers…my point is you can say a cb gave up this reception and that one…but how many times have the qbs had to pull it down because it was too tight of a window? Watch orton and cassell getting punked a couple of years ago…last year? zone defense cbs to ” jump” a route and even the jags qb was gonna have a career day..no sacks? youre dayum right no sacks if the qb is getting rid of ot in his third step…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:52 am
293.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:49 am
so who is gonna be our qb moving forward? palmer? If we would have traded for orton it probably would have cost us a 6th rd pick at worst. in terms of the future orton would have been a better decision. we could have had tannehill, wilson, foles in the draft or went after p. manning(probably wouldnt have come here, flynn, alex smith (who i dont even like), or someone else in free agency and it would have saved us our pick and would be less expensive. palmer is making 15 mil this yr. even with the fat contract he signed as a FA flynn is only 7 mil this yr. be real, they aren’t building around carson palmer even if he stays they are gonna be going to pryor or another qb in the next 2-3 yrs. and with palmer we dont have the cap room or enough picks to build quickly
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Flynn would still cost us draft picks that we need to rebuild (didn’t I just say that?) And yes, CP will be our QB going forward. I’m guessing for two more years unless he face plants himself completely next season.
Deal with it and here’s a thought… ROOT for him! He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon. Most teams fans would be happy about this… but NNNNNNNNNNNNoOOOOOOooooo
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u dont have to give me a “thought” to root for palmer. I’m a raiders fan im gonna root for whoever is on the field in a silver and black jersey. When did i ever say i wanted him to do sh!tty? i’m just stating my opinion that it was a bad move. nothing we can do….if they cut him, will u root for pryor, or against him? i hope u would root for him
February 14th, 2013 at 10:53 am
yeah i just cant stand ortons rainbows…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am
“He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon”
under what criteria? what he did for other teams? I just want to know you justification for this statement…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Whatever the reason may be, it still is a fact that Reggie was not the only rookie GM last year who didn’t improve on the previous year. The person ALSO failed to mention, that 3 of the 6 (not 7) rookie GMs last year had draft picks in the top 4 of the draft. Of the 6 GMS 5 of them had a full compliment of draft picks, and 5 of them were AT LEAST 5 million UNDER the cap when they were hired. Only 1 guy inherited a team OVER the cap, and with only 5 total picks ALL after 97th overall.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Raiders first round draft pick will be:
OT, Central Michigan Eric Fisher
Raiders’ OLine
Vehldeer & Fisher at OT
Nix & Bergstrom at G
Wisniewski at C
yes we need DE/OLB pass rush specialists
and I would rather we draft Warmack;but this would set the Raiders at the ofeensive tackle position and allow us some leverage when Vehldeer becomes a FA.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:55 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:47 am
i’m not saying i want orton as our qb, i was talking about just for finishing that season, instead of making the “blockbuster” trade that left us with no 1st rnd pick last yr, no 2nd this yr, and a huge cap hit… i know orton sucks, but i mean we went 3-6 down the stretch anyway, and 4-12 this season. at least we would have known we need a qb soon and we could have addressed it and would have had the $ to address it.
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Well I guess none of that happened. I don’t dwell on what could have happened, I look forward to what is going to happen… I think Reggie will pull his head out of his as* (to save his job) and quickly build a better team around CP and we go 9-6 next year, maybe 10-5.
If you prefer gloom and doom, and dwelling on the “could have’s” knock yourself out. I just did the same with DVD… but CP is the LEAST of our problems right now.
Cork has been saying that for what, 5 months now?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Most teams fans would be happy about this… but NNNNNNNNNNNNoOOOOOOooooo
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most teams would be happy that the “best qb” their franchise has had in ten years can’t even get them 5 wins…doubtful
February 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
trade McClain to NY for Tebow
February 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
That was the terrible thing last season! Hard to watch guys fall off the board when there was really nothing to do about it! 97th pick is what it is. I hope that NEVER happens again unless it’s for a piece of the puzzle that would make us SB Champs year after year! But is that even possible? Maybe not!
February 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
The_Civilian_James_Trapp
Hindsight is 20-20 on DVD an Barkie. The two were axed with the quickness by Reggie McKenzie.
But here’s the real killer: Stevie Brown. I didn’t like it when Al Davis let him go.
And look what he did for the G-Men after being plucked from the Colts’ scraps — 8 INTs. That’s more than DVD and Barkie ever did for their new (Steelers, Rams, respectively) teams.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am
“He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon”
under what criteria? what he did for other teams? I just want to know you justification for this statement…
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Watching the games?
Try it sometime…
February 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
And the latest speculation and conjecture via ESPN’s Bill Williamson…
Raiders could kick tires on CB Tray Porter.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/54821/could-tracy-porter-and-raiders-connect
February 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
But here’s the real killer: Stevie Brown. I didn’t like it when Al Davis let him go.
Yeah, I’m still at that WTF? stage about him! Wasn’t it over maturity problems that he was released?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:59 am
but CP is the LEAST of our problems right now.
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on the field, i would agree. his salary cap number however is actually one of our biggest problems right now, that why that is what most people are talking about right now when it comes to the raiders is what we are going to do with him
February 14th, 2013 at 11:00 am
He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon
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Gdog,
thats kind of a backhanded compliment, isn’t it?
“pay this guy $13-16 million because he’s better than Campbell, Collins, Brooks & JaMarcus!!”
should we re-sign Kirk Morrison for $10 million per season, just because he’s better than guys like Gaither, Goethel, Stupar & McClown ??
February 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am
He played 6 games and started 2 so what are you basing this on? BTW, did we get even get one good half out of slick Willie?
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He started 2 games, didn’t finish the 2nd game, I think the London game against New England.
The other 4…..he was probably blocking on extra points.
But yes, Willie Smith sucked too.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Hey Rockstar! I think Morrison was released this year….you think Reggie brings him back?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
299 i like that pick…
brown was a player wish he would’ve stuck…porter injury bug?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Who sucked more? Willie or Kwame?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Hwnrdr
I think it’s more plausible Reggie McKenzie brings in Morrison’s former Buffalo Bills teammate (and ex Packer) Nick Barnett in for a look-see.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Jesus,
Cal has been playing really well lately, are they getting any points at home?
I can see Louisville boat-racing ST. Johns as well.
You mess with any Over/Under action?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Who sucked more? Willie or Kwame?
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Wow…..you really put that one on a Tee didn’t you?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:06 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:56 am
trade McClain to NY for Tebow
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NOOoooooooooooo……………
February 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am
305.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:54 am
“He’s the best QB we have had since Gannon”
under what criteria? what he did for other teams? I just want to know you justification for this statement…
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Watching the games?
Try it sometime…
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
February 14th, 2013 at 11:07 am
jackasspuria Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Hwnrdr
I think it’s more plausible Reggie McKenzie brings in Morrison’s former Buffalo Bills teammate (and ex Packer) Nick Barnett in for a look-see.
I have that feeling too!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Who sucked more? Willie or Kwame?
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Wow…..you really put that one on a Tee didn’t you?
Sorry, it was one of those failed Buwahahahaha! moments!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 am
307.hwnrdr Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
But here’s the real killer: Stevie Brown. I didn’t like it when Al Davis let him go.
Yeah, I’m still at that WTF? stage about him! Wasn’t it over maturity problems that he was released?
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and clemons from seattle, dude was a monster before he got hurt, we definitely could have used his pass rush this yr.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Hwnrdr,
Capt Kirk wasn’t released. He played for the Bills last year and now he’s a UFA
From Roto:
Kirk Morrison is expected to be the starting strong-side linebacker in Dave Wannstedt’s 4-3 defense.
Morrison had started 95-of-96 games over six years before playing just 55 of 1,001 defensive snaps in 2011. The 30-year-old averaged 100 tackles per season as the middle linebacker in Oakland, but he does have experience in all three 4-3 linebacker spots. Arthur Moats will continue to be a reserve and special teamer behind Morrison.
Wed, Jun 13, 2012 09:20:00 AM
Source: Buffalo News
February 14th, 2013 at 11:09 am
They wouldn’t give me ant on UNLV but it wouldn’t have mattered anyway.
I had
UNLV -3
NM- 7
Oregon +2
And col st or SD st on 2 round robins
I could have sucked up the UNLV loss if NM would have scored 1 more point.
Louisville -17
Cal -2 1/2
February 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Sorry, i thought I read a few weeks ago that he was released. Maybe it was Barnett
February 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am
I think it’s more plausible Reggie McKenzie brings in Morrison’s former Buffalo Bills teammate (and ex Packer) Nick Barnett in for a look-see.
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how about both?
McClain isn’t the only MLB gone. I would expect to see Goethel (under contract) out the door as well. Gaither is a free agent …
February 14th, 2013 at 11:10 am
He started 2 games, didn’t finish the 2nd game, I think the London game against New England.
The other 4…..he was probably blocking on extra points.
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He started 2 games because they had 3 other tackles out with injury. IF he was so good for the Rams why didnt they wrap him up to a long term deal??
February 14th, 2013 at 11:11 am
and clemons from seattle, dude was a monster before he got hurt, we definitely could have used his pass rush this yr.
Mannnnnn! I was mad when he was released!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:11 am
McClain isn’t the only MLB gone. I would expect to see Goethel (under contract) out the door as well. Gaither is a free agent …
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Gaither will be resigned. He performed fairly well for us after replacing McClain off the street.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Yup, Gaither quietly did well!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:14 am
I could have sucked up the UNLV loss if NM would have scored 1 more point.
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They were losing the whole game, and lucky to win.
I was hoping Cal would get a couple of points not lay them.
Louisville will win easy, 17 and a hook is alot of points though if the game is fairly low-scoring.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
NGRaiderfan
I remember when Clemons was a free agent and the Raiders offered him a deal and his agent basically laughed in Oakland’s face.
Never did find out what the Raiders were offering. Considering he was a journeyman linebacker and was coverted to defensive end, only to broke out with an 8 sack season, I bet the Raiders weren’t offering much.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Gaither could actually be our planned starter this year, if they can’t draft a better prospect.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
Gaither will be resigned. He performed fairly well for us after replacing McClain off the street.
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wouldn’t bother me. might give Capt Kirk some competition
February 14th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Bcz24
That could very well be the case.
Reggie McKenzie seems to hold former Vols (he being a Tennessee man himself) in high regard.
Gaither performed quite admirably coming off the street last season. He knew the plays, barked them out to fellow defenders and even knew where to move lineman and such.
Philip Wheeler didn’t do too bad of a job at getting everyone lined up, but, he’s not a natural mike linebacker like Gaither.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Kirk is all done. I think he will officially retire.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:17 am
307.hwnrdr Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:58 am
But here’s the real killer: Stevie Brown. I didn’t like it when Al Davis let him go.
Yeah, I’m still at that WTF? stage about him! Wasn’t it over maturity problems that he was released?
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Or Kevin Boothe
February 14th, 2013 at 11:19 am
331.jackasspuria Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:15 am
NGRaiderfan
I remember when Clemons was a free agent and the Raiders offered him a deal and his agent basically laughed in Oakland’s face.
Never did find out what the Raiders were offering. Considering he was a journeyman linebacker and was coverted to defensive end, only to broke out with an 8 sack season, I bet the Raiders weren’t offering much.
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i didn’t know that. good to know. Yeah he didn’t get much PT with us, it also could have been that he wanted to get PT. but yea they could have offered him a bad contract, i wonder what he makes in seattle though.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:21 am
NGRaiderfan
Raiders took a flier on Clemons as a free agent pick up on a one-year deal and Clemons excelled as a third-down pass rusher.
He racked up sacks and was probably looking to cash in, Raiders probably didn’t have enough zeros on the offer.
Last July, Clemons inked a three-year $22 million deal with Seattle with $10 million guaranteed.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Kirk is all done. I think he will officially retire.
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Capt Kirk turns 31 next week. I think he’ll sign here on opening day of free agency @ vet minimum and quickly pick up where he left off a few years ago. 130+ tackles, 3 forced fumbles and professionalism/leadership you can’t even teach. I think Kirk had more tackles for a loss in 2009 than McClain did from 2010-2012.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:29 am
339.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Kirk is all done. I think he will officially retire.
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Capt Kirk turns 31 next week. I think he’ll sign here on opening day of free agency @ vet minimum and quickly pick up where he left off a few years ago. 130+ tackles, 3 forced fumbles and professionalism/leadership you can’t even teach. I think Kirk had more tackles for a loss in 2009 than McClain did from 2010-2012.
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man i remember when we had morrison and thomas howard…we weren’t great against the run but damn both of those guys could fly around the field and we had one of the best pass coverage units in the league in terms of LBs… we could definitely use that now with all of the passing going on
February 14th, 2013 at 11:30 am
And that was too bad too! McZero was supposed to be “that guy” but it turned out, The Law Firm should have stayed together for at least another year!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:31 am
Chris Clemons…man if he stayed healthy, they probably would have been SB bound this year! Maybe…
February 14th, 2013 at 11:31 am
I heard eric wright is gonna get cut from TB. should come cheap.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Why didn’t we sign him for vet min last year when Buffalo released him?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:37 am
Whacky blog predictions, huh? OK, since Dr_Rob said he was giving up this blog for lent effective last midnight, not to return ’till Easter, I predict he’ll convert to protestantism. Or Buddhism. Whatever.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:38 am
Why didn’t we sign him for vet min last year when Buffalo released him?
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because Buffalo re-signed him and promised him a starting job
Also, McClain got full support from Reggie & Dennis. They said they weren’t going to judge him based upon things that happened before they got here. Remember?
who did they bring in for competition last offseason? Goethel was already on the roster and BigMac drafted Stupar in RD7 (230th overall, lol)
February 14th, 2013 at 11:38 am
He said that?
February 14th, 2013 at 11:39 am
And Stupar went to the SB…don’t think he played though!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I think Stupar was on their Ps not active roster. He wont even be in the team photo. LOL
February 14th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Well, well, well.
Its nice to hear a credible OC talk, Olson clearly has a far superior concept … Knapp came in and defended implementing a zone, saying its a system and any good players can learn it, then as it continually failed he said be patient and mid-season he said it took houston 2-3 years to master it. WTF????
Olson said he wants to complement his talent and roster strengths, time will tell.
Palmer will start and Pryor will finally have packages used in everygame.
This will be a fun year.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:46 am
So basically Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths….go figure
Ok well that kills all the Palmer guys saying he is best person on the team. Its plainly obvious that DMAC is that person
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
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Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
We all love Jhill….but Dee millner at 3? A Cornerback that in no way is even on the level of a young Charles Woodson? Come on man…you’re better than that.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
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Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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11-7 as starter…..something Palmer will never have in Oakland….a winning record as starter
February 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:46 am
So basically Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths….go figure
Ok well that kills all the Palmer guys saying he is best person on the team. Its plainly obvious that DMAC is that person
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The question was asked who was the best player LAST year.
None of the CP haters liked answering it much.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:50 am
LOL @ G123
he complained about the TE situation all of last offseason. Said that if we didn’t sign Visanthe Shiancoe or Jeremy Shockey we’d be in a world of hurt because other teams wouldn’t respect Brandon Myers.
VS was active for 4 games last season with the Pats and didn’t record a catch. JS was out of the league!
He also lobbied HARD for us to sign Ryan Grant, who had 1 start and a whopping 32 carries total last season
February 14th, 2013 at 11:51 am
and RRS…..I was on Seymour since 2nd half of 2010. He was done and I didnt want him or Tommy Kelly back in 2011 nor 2012
As you know besides the B@uce only SnB was with me about having a NT who can take up double teams….been on this for some years now. Its funny those who argued against this now want Star at number 3 lmao…..and even funnier I prefer Damonte Moore at 3…..crazy
February 14th, 2013 at 11:52 am
11-7 as starter…..something Palmer will never have in Oakland….a winning record as starter
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Ooops. I can see how this is going to turn out.
How dare anyone point out how mediocre Captain Checkdown was. Pssttt they won DESPITE CC, not because of him.
I am out of here… this is as painful to read as when Mistic is here…
February 14th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I saw someone post that article from yesterday linking the Jets and Palmer….well go read comments section…overall Jet fans dont want the guy…..so that means the Jets may just take him lol
February 14th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths
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@ROG
between DMAC & JFORD this team spends a fortune on walking boots!!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:52 am
11-7 as starter…..something Palmer will never have in Oakland….a winning record as starter
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Ooops. I can see how this is going to turn out.
How dare anyone point out how mediocre Captain Checkdown was. Pssttt they won DESPITE CC, not because of him.
I am out of here… this is as painful to read as when Mistic is here…
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He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
February 14th, 2013 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths
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@ROG
between DMAC & JFORD this team spends a fortune on walking boots!!
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LMAO….at least DMAC finished the season…..its a contract year my friend……these athletes want that huge contract before its all over….expect DMAC to ball hard
February 14th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Its nuts but every year we talk about draftees we would like…but every year only the B@auce asks about the small school players that will be drafted……any thoughts? Small school guys come and make big time impact when ya least expect it
February 14th, 2013 at 11:58 am
dmc is gonna ball out $$$ cash money son…
February 14th, 2013 at 11:58 am
As you know besides the B@uce only SnB was with me about having a NT who can take up double teams….been on this for some years now
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ROG,
RRS & Dakota were with you guys
February 14th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Nobody will trade for cp3. Cut him or restructure him thats it.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
I don’t know that it is a very good idea to tailor the offense to McFadden, when he leave in FA next year do we then have to have ANOTHER new offense for our guys?
I would make sure there were plays that catered to DMC, but I wouldn’t tailor the whole offense to suit him.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
355.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:46 am
So basically Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths….go figure
Ok well that kills all the Palmer guys saying he is best person on the team. Its plainly obvious that DMAC is that person
>>>>
The question was asked who was the best player LAST year.
None of the CP haters liked answering it much.
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best player last year was marcel reece…pretty easy, he was the only pro bowler…
February 14th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Check back in later…have something to finish…lol
February 14th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Id gut this stinkfish.. go for clowney
February 14th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
who says he leaves? maybe reggie is gone…
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
No new OC or young sophmore HC wants to not have a Vet QB … CP3 will be the guy for the opener barring injury only. Get used to it.
Pryor could start if he could/can throw the ball from the pocket (which he can’t yet) and accuartely from play-action. So all you Pryor D suckers can blame him if he can’t beat out CP3 for time, not CP3 for being a a guy who can run an off, no huddle and make throws if OAK gets the run game back CP3 will have a prolific 4,000 yard season, not a worthless one.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Giving up on Barks so soon wasn’t necessary. But oh well…thats what happens when you make a dumb decision and switch offensive systems when it wasn’t necessary.
Bad decision by the rookie GM and rookie HC.
The sad thing is….most of us fans who know what is going on….saw this…and the pro GM and HC didn’t see that they didn’t need to fix what wasn’t broken on offense? Troubling….
February 14th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
best player last year was marcel reece…pretty easy, he was the only pro bowler…
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Seabass. He got the shaft on the Pro Bowl, he has every year of his career except 2011. He was 31 of 31 from 50 or shorter, first guy in like 10 years to be 100% under 50 yards with more than 30 attempts.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
371.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
who says he leaves? maybe reggie is gone…
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Al Davis himself could rise from the grave tomorrow and reclaim this team and DMAC still wont be resigned next year.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
355.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:46 am
So basically Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths….go figure
Ok well that kills all the Palmer guys saying he is best person on the team. Its plainly obvious that DMAC is that person
>>>>
The question was asked who was the best player LAST year.
None of the CP haters liked answering it much.
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best player last year was marcel reece…pretty easy, he was the only pro bowler…
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Best player was DMAC even in his schitty season……as someone said yesterday…..DMAC has bad year the team has bad year…..pretty simple…Reece is okay…cant block for schit but pretty good weapon to have….he is a utility player
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Anybody making more than 4 mill can walk. Any punters making over 2 mill can gtfoh.. just get everybody out..
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
No new OC or young sophmore HC wants to not have a Vet QB … CP3 will be the guy for the opener barring injury only. Get used to it.
Pryor could start if he could/can throw the ball from the pocket (which he can’t yet) and accuartely from play-action. So all you Pryor D suckers can blame him if he can’t beat out CP3 for time, not CP3 for being a a guy who can run an off, no huddle and make throws if OAK gets the run game back CP3 will have a prolific 4,000 yard season, not a worthless one.
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Get use to a 5-11 season if he plays whole season….he needs to go
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
If Kelly is let go, then I think the writing is on the wall that Star maybe the pick at #3 or there will be a trade down.
If would like to see a trade down and McK pick DE/OLB Ansah or OLB/DE Jordan or G Warmack.
With a 2nd rounder (if McK he gets one) then draft DT/NT Kwann Short.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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i guess individual stats mean more to u than wins…that’s cool, whatever. to each his own i guess.
Jamarcus russell record as a starting qb = 7-17
Jason campbell = 11-7
Carson Palmer = 8-16
Carson Palmer actually looks more comparable to Jmarcus from where I am standing from….
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Anybody making more than 4 mill can walk. Any punters making over 2 mill can gtfoh.. just get everybody out..
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Harsh…but for most part I can agree with that….exception is DMAC…he has to stay…need playmakers
February 14th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
376.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
355.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:46 am
So basically Olson is saying they will tailor offense around DMAC’s strengths….go figure
Ok well that kills all the Palmer guys saying he is best person on the team. Its plainly obvious that DMAC is that person
>>>>
The question was asked who was the best player LAST year.
None of the CP haters liked answering it much.
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best player last year was marcel reece…pretty easy, he was the only pro bowler…
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Best player was DMAC even in his schitty season……as someone said yesterday…..DMAC has bad year the team has bad year…..pretty simple…Reece is okay…cant block for schit but pretty good weapon to have….he is a utility player
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i said that…DMCA is without a doubt our mvp. I was just answering his question as to who had the best season, because he seems to think palmer did, when in fact it was easily marcel reece who had the best season. DMAC is our best player, our mvp. without a doubt
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
DMAC*
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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What’s the deal with making it such a race thing with you man? I give a schit about the guy’s race to be honest…I need wins here in Oakland and that has been lacking if you havent noticed.
I dont give a schit about a racist system or whatever I dont give a damn about racist rants…who fkin cares?! I want the job to be done point blank
I saw wins with one QB more so than other QB
Can we get a Asian or Arab QB so everyone can shut the fk up about the black white dynamic? Havent you guys learned from history this bullschit is holding us back? We are Raidernation and the color of someone’s skin doesnt matter when I celebrate at the damn games whether inside the Coliseum or tailgating in the lot. Get over yaself man
February 14th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
No new OC or young sophmore HC wants to not have a Vet QB … CP3 will be the guy for the opener barring injury only. Get used to it.
Pryor could start if he could/can throw the ball from the pocket (which he can’t yet) and accuartely from play-action. So all you Pryor D suckers can blame him if he can’t beat out CP3 for time, not CP3 for being a a guy who can run an off, no huddle and make throws if OAK gets the run game back CP3 will have a prolific 4,000 yard season, not a worthless one.
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Get use to a 5-11 season if he plays whole season….he needs to go
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Just wait, there will be many CP3 haters quiet this season. Restore the run game, keep improving the defense and find ANY return game on Special teams and Palmer will be leading OAK to a good year.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
385.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
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who cares about what campbell did before or after the raiders? who cares what palmer did before the raiders.. all that matters is what they did while they were on the raiders..thats is all i care about. I’m a raiders fan, not a bengals fan or bears fan, i dont give a sh!t about what they did on those teams. what did gannon do in KC? they wanted him out in favor of elvis grbac! all i care about is raiders, n all i care about is wins. period.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Its funny those who argued against this now want Star at number 3 lmao
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Because there is finally someone there worth drafting.
NO to BJ Raji and all the other cats we passed on.
Yes to Star.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
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Who said Campbell was great? He just won more than anyone we had since Gannon….this cant be disputed
And if you didnt know my friend….2010 and 2011 we were designed to be a run first team so why are you blaming him for that?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
385.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
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who cares about what campbell did before or after the raiders? who cares what palmer did before the raiders.. all that matters is what they did while they were on the raiders..thats is all i care about. I’m a raiders fan, not a bengals fan or bears fan, i dont give a sh!t about what they did on those teams. what did gannon do in KC? they wanted him out in favor of elvis grbac! all i care about is raiders, n all i care about is wins. period.
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Yep you’re right Campbell is just like Gannon. Are you serious?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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Welcome to excuseville
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
If Ford and DMac come ou healthy, Palmer can certainly game manage us as well as if not better than Glo did.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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Welcome to excuseville
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So with Campbell, we wouldn’t be 4-12 last year?
Why isn’t Campbell a starter? Is it nobody in the league knows what they are doing?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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in what world is tebow as good as manning? that makes no sense manning has won at least 11 games the last 10 years he’s been a starting qb. hahahaha what kind of logic is that. Manning took the same team tebow won 6 games with and won 13. the same offense that was near the bottom of the league and put them top 5. there is no comparison.
he threw for 4′000 ds but we were bottom 5-6 in the league in almost every offensive category including TDs, scoring, and red zone efficiency…check please.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Its funny those who argued against this now want Star at number 3 lmao
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Because there is finally someone there worth drafting.
NO to BJ Raji and all the other cats we passed on.
Yes to Star.
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LOL Jhill aka Chrome Dome knows I’ve been on him about having a NT and a UT that doesnt suck….Kelly and Seymour werent schit as I told you for a few years now….but you get it now….thank god
I’ll take Star but he aint my first choice.
You realize in the 21st century the Raiders havent had a RDE get 10 sacks in a season….the only team in the NFL! I see that as a serious problem since this is a QB driven league…why you think LT’s get drafted number 1 or get paid so much?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
egruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
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One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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Welcome to excuseville
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So with Campbell, we wouldn’t be 4-12 last year?
Why isn’t Campbell a starter? Is it nobody in the league knows what they are doing?
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to be honest, probably not because we would still have hue jackson bc we would have made the playoffs last yr…offense isn’t changed, better d coordinator, different season.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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in what world is tebow as good as manning? that makes no sense manning has won at least 11 games the last 10 years he’s been a starting qb. hahahaha what kind of logic is that. Manning took the same team tebow won 6 games with and won 13. the same offense that was near the bottom of the league and put them top 5. there is no comparison.
he threw for 4′000 ds but we were bottom 5-6 in the league in almost every offensive category including TDs, scoring, and red zone efficiency…check please.
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Yep Palmer’s the reason we are 4-12. With Campbell we are in the playoffs. I stand corrected.
Its people like you that make me think you don’t truly understand the game.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
If DMC is not in McK’s long term plans….they why not try and trade him?
Too late now…if DMC has a career year next year, then he will look to cash out on open market and now way McK will pay him regardless.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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Welcome to excuseville
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So with Campbell, we wouldn’t be 4-12 last year?
Why isn’t Campbell a starter? Is it nobody in the league knows what they are doing?
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For Oakland…..he was what the team needed. Those players loved him and looked up to him and you know this is true. If you deny this you are a liar who has an agenda.
4-12? Doubt it…but 8-8 never not with Knapp having ZBS….still it wouldnt have been as miserable as it is with pick six cuzz guess what? We woulda had a 1st rd pick in 2012 and a 2nd rounder this year….thanks for playing
February 14th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
391.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
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first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
—————
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
392.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
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Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
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Who said Campbell was great? He just won more than anyone we had since Gannon….this cant be disputed
And if you didnt know my friend….2010 and 2011 we were designed to be a run first team so why are you blaming him for that?
393.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
385.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:47 am
=======hahaha i’ma season ticket holder section 127 row 12, seats 11, 12, come see me sometime and introduce yourself. i watch every game, intently. I wasn’t even disagreeing with you, i was gonna take your criteria and then analyze because i have been watching for a long time and see what i thought about that statement. but since u gave me the most vague criteria imaginable it makes it hard. watching the games…i’d say campbell was a better qb for us because he won games, he had a lot of clutch drives for us and made a lot of good plays, very few bad plays. didn’t have the raw stats, but didn’t need to, he got the job done, and if he didnt get hurt, we would have probably won our divison and been in the playoffs last yr, who knows about this year, probably would have still had huejack, thats history tho. but if “watching the games is your criteria, it makes it haard to evaluate that…
>>>>
Captain Checkdown was our best QB since Gannon? Please. He took nearly a full year to learn the playbook, and then had some great games ONLY when McF was running at will.
And I STILL want that three hours back where he looked like he’d rather be on his couch playing himself in Madden at SF in the rain. That was one of the most pathetic performances I think I have ever seen by a QB.
8 of 21 for 83 yards?
Well maybe JaMoney vs Atl: 6 of 19 for 31.
JaMarcus is a closer comparison to Captain Checkdown than Gannon. Sorry.
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Campbell best QB since Gannon wow, just wow.
Campbell is a poor man’s Alex Smith. His collapse during his only start last year was very similar to every game he had with the Raiders when we didn’t have a running game.
I don’t understand when people talk about how great players were when they were with us, but when they leave, they become…well invisible.
There are reasons he’s not a starter and the Bears were done for when Cutler went down.
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who cares about what campbell did before or after the raiders? who cares what palmer did before the raiders.. all that matters is what they did while they were on the raiders..thats is all i care about. I’m a raiders fan, not a bengals fan or bears fan, i dont give a sh!t about what they did on those teams. what did gannon do in KC? they wanted him out in favor of elvis grbac! all i care about is raiders, n all i care about is wins. period.
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Yep you’re right Campbell is just like Gannon. Are you serious?
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when did i ever say he was gannon? where are u people getting this info? im saying i dont care what anybody did before they got to the raiders, and was just citing what gannon did when he wasn’t a raider wasn’t anything to be proud about. wins and losses, campbell is the only starter we’ve had since gannon that has a winning record as a starter. wins matter more than passing yds.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
If DMC is not in McK’s long term plans….they why not try and trade him?
Too late now…if DMC has a career year next year, then he will look to cash out on open market and now way McK will pay him regardless.
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How do we know he is not? Need playmakers on an offense
Plus he needs DMAC this year so he can continue getting hook up on the ribs at Everett and Jones BBQ
February 14th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
381.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
He was above mediocre….just wasnt great…but his stint in Oakland was better than Palmer….JC still never lost back to back games….this is fact
>>>>
One guy played 18 games for the Raiders and threw for 3500 yards, 19 TDs, 12 int.
The other played 14 games in ONE SEASON and threw for 4000 yards, 22 TDs, and 14 ints.
Which guy is better?
The one not white.
=======================
first off why are there people who always have to bring race into it? i never said anything about white or black. I could easily come back at you with this
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
—————
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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Welcome to excuseville
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So with Campbell, we wouldn’t be 4-12 last year?
Why isn’t Campbell a starter? Is it nobody in the league knows what they are doing?
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For Oakland…..he was what the team needed. Those players loved him and looked up to him and you know this is true. If you deny this you are a liar who has an agenda.
4-12? Doubt it…but 8-8 never not with Knapp having ZBS….still it wouldnt have been as miserable as it is with pick six cuzz guess what? We woulda had a 1st rd pick in 2012 and a 2nd rounder this year….thanks for playing
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Like i said, you guys are geniuses. You know what no other team knows. Campbell is the hidden gem in the league. You are the all knowing. You guys should be GM’s because you can see what no other GM sees.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
390.J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Its funny those who argued against this now want Star at number 3 lmao
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Because there is finally someone there worth drafting.
NO to BJ Raji and all the other cats we passed on.
Yes to Star.
^^^^^^^^^
I argued against it and I’m still not for it actually.
But if Kelly AND Seymour are gone AND especially if they lose Bryant.
No choice…but to draft Star really.
I want to see a TRADE DOWN though.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
In fact lets trade for Campbell. He’s the answer at QB obviously. I’m sure the Bears would trade him for a 6th or 7th rounder.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
400.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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in what world is tebow as good as manning? that makes no sense manning has won at least 11 games the last 10 years he’s been a starting qb. hahahaha what kind of logic is that. Manning took the same team tebow won 6 games with and won 13. the same offense that was near the bottom of the league and put them top 5. there is no comparison.
he threw for 4′000 ds but we were bottom 5-6 in the league in almost every offensive category including TDs, scoring, and red zone efficiency…check please.
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Yep Palmer’s the reason we are 4-12. With Campbell we are in the playoffs. I stand corrected.
Its people like you that make me think you don’t truly understand the game.
========i wasn’t talking about playoffs this year, but last year yea we would have been a playoff team we were 5-2 with losses to the patriots and a heartbreaker to the bills, with wins over the jets and texans, and rolling in 1st place of the division by a long shot we str8 sh!t the bed when j campbell got hurt
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
I like Ezekial Ansah.
A 6′6, 270 pound beast and freak with a high ceiling.
Can be the RDE in 4-3 and is athletic enough to stand up and play OLB in 3-4 looks.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
Anyway…will be back
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
400.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
With your logic, Tim Tebow is just as good as Manning.
Just ridiculous to compare records. Campbell had McFadden and a real offensive coordinator.
Palmer didn’t have Mcfadden last year and Knapp this year.
There are so many other factors, its flat out ridiculous to just compare wins and loses. Palmer was NOT the reason we were 4-12 last year.
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in what world is tebow as good as manning? that makes no sense manning has won at least 11 games the last 10 years he’s been a starting qb. hahahaha what kind of logic is that. Manning took the same team tebow won 6 games with and won 13. the same offense that was near the bottom of the league and put them top 5. there is no comparison.
he threw for 4′000 ds but we were bottom 5-6 in the league in almost every offensive category including TDs, scoring, and red zone efficiency…check please.
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Yep Palmer’s the reason we are 4-12. With Campbell we are in the playoffs. I stand corrected.
Its people like you that make me think you don’t truly understand the game.
========i wasn’t talking about playoffs this year, but last year yea we would have been a playoff team we were 5-2 with losses to the patriots and a heartbreaker to the bills, with wins over the jets and texans, and rolling in 1st place of the division by a long shot we str8 sh!t the bed when j campbell got hurt
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McFadden also got hurt. That is when our season ended.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
1 qb led the donkeys to a division title, and won a home playoff game
1 qb led the donkes to a division title and lost his only playoff game…
which one is better?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
OAK needs to lure in Jake Long. Period.
He worked with Sparano in MIA and he would be huge pick-up, more Veldheer to well-suited RT and the line becomes a strength instantly.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
OAK needs to lure in Jake Long. Period.
He worked with Sparano in MIA and he would be huge pick-up, more Veldheer to well-suited RT and the line becomes a strength instantly.
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That would be great. Unfortunately, Reggie won’t anti up on his price tag.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
you’re delusional if you don’t think we would have made the playoffs last year if campbell didn’t get hurt…if we make the playoffs, hue jack still our coach, same offense, mcfadden running all over people we would have been better this yr too…
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
….Kelly and Seymour werent schit as I told you for a few years now….but you get it now….thank god
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Well now that Seymour’s off he roser, off course we need to replace him.
I like Werner as a 4-3 RDE.
I like Mingo as a 3-4 OLB.
With all that said, I don’t see how we an pass on Millner.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
you’re delusional if you don’t think we would have made the playoffs last year if campbell didn’t get hurt…if we make the playoffs, hue jack still our coach, same offense, mcfadden running all over people we would have been better this yr too…
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You are delusional to think Campbell could have led the team without McFadden. Once McFadden went down it was over.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
If we are going after a right tackle why don’t we grab Vollmer who will be considerably cheaper AND already plays right tackle?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
That would be great. Unfortunately, Reggie won’t anti up on his price tag.
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Nor should he.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
412.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
1 qb led the donkeys to a division title, and won a home playoff game
1 qb led the donkes to a division title and lost his only playoff game…
which one is better?
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first off they both made it to the second rd of the playoffs. one got stomped by the eventual losers of the super bowl by 30 pts, one got beaten in overtime bc of a miracle play in regulation to the team that eventually won the super bowl
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
We also NEED safety … mitchell, gio, branch, huff alll suck.
Branch is ok.
Brandian Ross looked good at end of year.
Adams won himself a shot at starting corner
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
In the grand scheme of things, Safety isn’t a priority (i agree we need help there) over a pash rusher, another LB and at LEAST 2 new CBs.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
*there
February 14th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
That would be great. Unfortunately, Reggie won’t anti up on his price tag.
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Nor should he.
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Good point, its not like we have cash sitting around.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
390.J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Its funny those who argued against this now want Star at number 3 lmao
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Because there is finally someone there worth drafting.
NO to BJ Raji and all the other cats we passed on.
Yes to Star.
^^^^^^^^^
I argued against it and I’m still not for it actually.
But if Kelly AND Seymour are gone AND especially if they lose Bryant.
No choice…but to draft Star really.
I want to see a TRADE DOWN and pick Ansah, Warmack or Jordan.
Ansah is stronger than Jordan.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
416.J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
….Kelly and Seymour werent schit as I told you for a few years now….but you get it now….thank god
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Well now that Seymour’s off he roser, off course we need to replace him.
I like Werner as a 4-3 RDE.
I like Mingo as a 3-4 OLB.
With all that said, I don’t see how we an pass on Millner.
^^^^^^^^^
Pass on Millner…easily.
No way McK takes a CB ahead of the pass rushers, Star and even ahead of Joekel and Fisher.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:14 am
No! lol
I noticed that a lot of posters don’t understand the business part of the team. Salary cap, sunk costs, etc…
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And this genius thinks CP’s upcoming salary costs are a “sunk cost.”
I mean, why else would anyone get rid of him?
I get a kick out of it every time he brings it up.
Pssttt… first rule of holes: STOP DIGGING!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You are retarded. OMG.
Sunk costs are PAST Costs and not future costs. Why is this concept so difficult for you to understand.
And I never said I want to “get rid of/ dump him”. I said he is not with that salary on a team that lacks talent, but I’m not surprised you don’t understand that too.
You are not the sharpest tool in the shed.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
You know, I liked JC. He was pretty much a perfect fit for us in 2010 and 2011. However, when run game disappeared and a good defense, he was crap. His best game for us, IMHO was the Buffalo Bills game 2011! I wondered if we did keep JC, how would he have done under Krapp?
February 14th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Interesting comments regarding Tony Soprano.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/14/sparano-has-big-plans-in-oakland-but-doesnt-want-to-say-wildcat/
February 14th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Not Woth*
February 14th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Quarterback mobility takes on greater focus at Scouting Combine
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/14/quarterback-mobility-takes-on-greater-focus-at-scouting-combine/
February 14th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
432.KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Quarterback mobility takes on greater focus at Scouting Combine
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/14/quarterback-mobility-takes-on-greater-focus-at-scouting-combine/
^^^^^^^^^
McK may consider taking EJ Manuel in Round 3 if he slips.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
>>>>
The win total is a reflection on how well the TEAM played.
The passing stats are a reflection on how a QB passes.
NEWSFLASH: Passing is kind of an important in the NFL.
Now explain why you don’t want to compare Campbells passing statistics to Palmers?
Is it because they are so horrible in comparison?
If you want to compare statistics of the two QBs that have nothing to do with QBing… do you want to see the rushing support each player received?
I can look it up for you if that is a path you wish to go down… for some reason I think you will pass…
February 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
We can argue about QB’s and all that, but it is clear as day we should have only structured our entire organization around one person the last few years.
Tom Cable
February 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
You guys talking about Capt checkdown and you didnt invite me? Very poor manners gents.
JC could never carry our team or any team. Chicago was hot last year coming into SF. JC’s first drive pretty much proved my point about him. He looked and looked, refused to let the ball go and took a sack on 3rd down. I didnt even bother watching the rest of the game. JC and Alex Smith = Ebony and Ivory. All the tools in the world but absolutely zero instincts to play QB in the NFL.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
LMAO!!!!!!!!
The palmer worshipers are being pummeled with this simple quote
“I like the ceiling of Terrelle Pryor and where we think he can get to, but his skill set is completely different than Carson’s, so we go forward with the idea, we know what Carson Palmer is,” Olson said.
Notice here the last part “we know what carson is”
That says it all.
Adding to this the announcement that pryor will have a chance to compete for the gig, the writing is on the wall for palmer, and it says r.i.p in graffiti
They say they “know what carson is ” yet they still want give pryor a look!!!
This means they are dissatisfied with carson, and it is clerar as day.
Question, when jc was the starter, did the raiders need to give boller or pryor a look or a chance to compete for the starter job?
Answer, HELL NO!!!!
There you have it palmer is sinking like a stone through water, and his club of devout worshipers will
drown in his failings.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
too ef’n funny
February 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Tom Cable = Best coach since Gruden. Not a coincidence they are doing well in Seattle. We won in Dec with Tom Cable. No other coach can say the same thing. Our guys quit in Dec with every other coach except for Cable and Gruden.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
You are retarded. OMG.
Sunk costs are PAST Costs and not future costs. Why is this concept so difficult for you to understand.
And I never said I want to “get rid of/ dump him”. I said he is not with that salary on a team that lacks talent, but I’m not surprised you don’t understand that too.
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He is not what?
What does renegotiating his salary have to do with sunk cost?
I am trying to be patient with you. You are simply not making any sense?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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One guy was the QB who led his team to the ultimate prize…a victory in the Super Bowl.
One loser didn’t. Who’s better?
Dan Marino- Loser
Trent Dilfer- Super Bowl Champion = Winner
February 14th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
You guys talking about Capt checkdown and you didnt invite me? Very poor manners gents.
JC could never carry our team or any team. Chicago was hot last year coming into SF.
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this is a lie
chicago lost the week before the sf game, cutler was knocked out of the game after being pummeled in the pocket and throwing 2 picks in less than 10 attempts.
after sf they went on to lose 3 of the next 4 games with cutler continuing to be blistered and bludgeoned, and that is why they missed the playoffs.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
438.aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Tom Cable = Best coach since Gruden. Not a coincidence they are doing well in Seattle. We won in Dec with Tom Cable. No other coach can say the same thing. Our guys quit in Dec with every other coach except for Cable and Gruden.
Sad but true! I would have loved to see one more year of Cable/Hue
February 14th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
rudegruden Says:
In fact lets trade for Campbell. He’s the answer at QB obviously. I’m sure the Bears would trade him for a 6th or 7th rounder.
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Just trade straight up for Palmer and eat the salary difference. Obviously Campbell’s worth it and Palmer isn’t. Look at their records. If the Bears would do it.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
Mistic…you are consistant!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
440.DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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One guy was the QB who led his team to the ultimate prize…a victory in the Super Bowl.
One loser didn’t. Who’s better?
Dan Marino- Loser
Trent Dilfer- Super Bowl Champion = Winner
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carson palmer isn’t dan marino though…and jason campbell isn’t trent dilfer.
they had for the most part the same team around them and campbell was 5-2 and palmers was 3-5 (not going to include the KC game). loss of dmac hurt but michael bush ran for over 100 yds in a couple of those games last yr after dmac went down.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Again STAR is not going to be the pick.
What haas DA been saying since last year?? what has Raiders writers been saying.
RAIDERS NEED A PASS RUSHER.. This draft is deepest at DT.. Im talking there are 15 guys that can go in top 60 according to draft nfl.com scout
Raiders need an elite pass rusher and the premium is higher on pass rushers.
One interesting guy is Ezkel Ansah who has shot up boards now saying a top 15 pick. I heard one detroit radio guy saying LIONS WILL PICK DEE MILLNER or ANSAH at 5th overall. They loved coaching the kid at senior bowl and Van Den Bosche is out.. and is might be CLiff Avril. They feel Ansah can be what JPP is.
Another guy the scout from nfl likes is KeKe MINGO out of LSU.. he has already bulked up 15 pounds and can be a VON MILLER TYPE.. JUST PURE SPEED RUSHER
ANSAH is a guy who can play the run and drop back into coverage too.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
432.KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Quarterback mobility takes on greater focus at Scouting Combine
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/14/quarterback-mobility-takes-on-greater-focus-at-scouting-combine/
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McK may consider taking EJ Manuel in Round 3 if he slips.
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I believe i dubbed this trend the wave of the future
AND ITS ABOUT FUGGIN TIME!!!!!
By the way my take is Geno and EJ are hands down the best qbs in this draft.
Geno is more polished, ej is more athletic and has a bigger upside, but needs work with some good coaching
February 14th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Mistic the Supa IQ Vaccum is here…
Hey, I asked you a question yesterday. If you had your choice would you rather have:
A. Carson Palmer QBing the Raider team next season that goes 9-7 and squeaks into the playoffs.
or
B. Pryor QBing the same team that goes 4-12.
Answer honestly.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
hwnrdr Says:
He said that?
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dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Btw, I know this will be difficult for many of u to accept, but u won’t be seeing me here for six weeks after tonight. I’m giving up the blog (tremendous time eater) for Lent.
I’ll be back on Easter.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Gdog,
-He is not worth*….
-anything we paid CP/ or to acquire CP (draft Picks) is considered Sunk Costs, and that shouldn’t be a factor in making future decisions like paying him $13-15 million. The reason I mentioned Sunk Costs was you talking about the draft picks that we gave up to get CP and how that should be a factor in future decisions.
I’m done talking about it.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Dont look now but those that wanted to bury RGIII are about to get clowned.
he will be back next season, and by 2014 his all world speed will be back as well.
He will be a smarter player and will refrain from diving and helicoptering for meaningless first downs in the regular season.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1529143-robert-griffin-iii-injury-update-redskins-reportedly-pleased-by-rg3s-recovery
February 14th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Tom Cable = Best coach since Gruden. Not a coincidence they are doing well in Seattle. We won in Dec with Tom Cable. No other coach can say the same thing. Our guys quit in Dec with every other coach except for Cable and Gruden.
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What was his lifetime HCing record again? 27-60?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
It’s no slam dunk Palmer doesn’t get cut soon. I don’t think that’ll happen but it doesn’t sound like they are fully committed to him.
Let’s hope it’s an open competition. It’s good for a team.
You don’t see open competition with the “elite” qb’s in the league. They never say “well Brady is gonna slug it out with Mallett and we’ll see what happens”. I don’t even know who the backup is New Orleans or Green Bay..is it Craig Nall?
Palmer’s pay and his age merit a serious look at what is best for the team going forward, No doubt about that, and no, you can’t ignore his performance either.
I can tell you almost certainly they aren’t saying “Well we were 4-11 w/ Palmer in there so Palmer sucks…it’s all on him”. They have to look at the entire team and as DA said they are looking at the defense first and foremost.
IF Pryor can beat Palmer out, or even come close in the accuracy department than they will have to go with Pryor.
We should all be very happy IF Pryor DOES beat out Palmer that way..cuz if he does, than we’ve got something here for now and in the future.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Mistic the Supa IQ Vaccum is here…
Hey, I asked you a question yesterday. If you had your choice would you rather have:
A. Carson Palmer QBing the Raider team next season that goes 9-7 and squeaks into the playoffs.
or
B. Pryor QBing the same team that goes 4-12.
Answer honestly.
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I dont believe palmer can win 9 games
he hasnt posted more than4 wins in his last 3 seasons
he has only won more than 8 games 3/9 seasons
I dont think this scenario is possible, and certainly hasnt happened so this is pure make believe.
lest stick to reality
February 14th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Rockstar talking smack about the 16 time NBA champs?
Where is your boy Allen Iverson playing this year?
Guam?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Tom Cable = Best coach since Gruden. Not a coincidence they are doing well in Seattle. We won in Dec with Tom Cable. No other coach can say the same thing. Our guys quit in Dec with every other coach except for Cable and Gruden.
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What was his lifetime HCing record again? 27-60?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Fat Monkey = Best coach since Gruden?!?!
You People……..
February 14th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
449.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:18 pm
hwnrdr Says:
He said that?
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dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Btw, I know this will be difficult for many of u to accept, but u won’t be seeing me here for six weeks after tonight. I’m giving up the blog (tremendous time eater) for Lent.
I’ll be back on Easter.
LOL…hey, you gotta give up something!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
@Mistic1
What would you have rated our receiving corp last year as a unit?
You know 1-32 teams?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
The good thing is Reggie and his coaches are gonna be doing the combine.
Get to see all these players up close. Reggie might fall in love.. with one
PASS RUSHER.. or QB . Geno will doing all the drills.
BTW Raider scouts attented 8 WV games this year. GENO is gonna have to nail the interview process as well.
BTW I hope TYRANN gives the Raiders a good interview and workout at the combine
February 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Where is your boy Allen Iverson playing this year?
Guam?
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LOL!!
He’s going to sign with the Miami Heat just before the playoffs start.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Remember is 11 players on offense the quarterback position is one player.
We have any inexperienced wide receivers no running game.
A defense we could not stop anybody with no pass rush no defensive backs.
Yes you’re right Carson Palmer can’t do it but who you think could with that team.
Somebody said a while back we can get Jason Campbell for six or seventh round pick well the way he played in Chicago he’s probably on the waiver wire.
I like the new offense to coordinate her he says Jon Gruden really opened his eyes
well I can tell you this for up to scores in the fourth quarter we will pound the
ROCK
February 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I can’t understand why You People want us to draft a CB/S/KR who is short (5′9), small (175), slow for his size (4.45+), has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
You are delusional to think Campbell could have led the team without McFadden. Once McFadden went down it was over.
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This ^
February 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Where is your boy Allen Iverson playing this year?
Guam?
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LOL!!
He’s going to sign with the Miami Heat just before the playoffs start.
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good, that loser will ensure an early playoff exit!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Why does everybody keep talking about trading for Jason Campbell, when he’s an unrestricted free agent next month?
he would sign here for 10 cents if it meant he had a chance to start again
I’d rather not go down that road. Gradkowski either (another UFA).
February 14th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
I can’t understand why You People want us to draft a CB/S/KR who is short (5′9), small (175), slow for his size (4.45+), has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
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check what he did in two years? You dont want a potential playmaker? You dont want someone who causes turnovers? You dont want someone who takes KR to the house all while playing in the SEC??
you dont want a heisman finalist ?? Not bad for a 5ft 9 175 pounder eh?? Guy shows more heart / emotion then then enitre raider defense already outside of miles burris / houston/ Bryant.
NO OTHER DBACK does on the raiders.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Raider O Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I can’t understand why You People want us to draft a CB/S/KR who is short (5′9), small (175), slow for his size (4.45+), has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
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I tend to believe that many in here suffer from neurosyphilis…..
February 14th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Hey who would want this player on the team? TYRANN MATHIUE? who wants this guy??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixGedaeYz-I
February 14th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
looks like i was right on this one
The first time i mentioned this during the time the kelly was only rumored to be looking for an nfl gig with philly people here said I didnt know what i was talking about.
LMAO!!!!
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/article-1/Eagles-Add-QB-Dennis-Dixon/b0d2e13c-1b50-4279-a54f-0949bc79e4c9
February 14th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNPludux3E
February 14th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Raider O Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
I can’t understand why You People want us to draft a CB/S/KR who is short (5′9), small (175), slow for his size (4.45+), has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
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cause he got a cool azz nickname !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Raiders need every playmaker they can get. They shouldnt be in any spot to turn down a potential playmaker
February 14th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
you guys must like Denarious muffing punts and not caring..
February 14th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
460.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Where is your boy Allen Iverson playing this year?
Guam?
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LOL!!
He’s going to sign with the Miami Heat just before the playoffs start.
LOL…hey, he is usually there anyways!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
I mean the fact that Patrick Peterson has him living with him and training everyday is a nice start
February 14th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
neurosyphilis
?? huh ??
February 14th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
you guys must like Denarious muffing punts and not caring..
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You can find another punt returner….no need to spend one of our few picks on a guy that is more likely than not going to end up in the NFL’s substance abuse program.
No thanks Al Davis.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
sorry i checked my redneck dictionary and cant find that word !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Still not sure which de is worth taking number 3.. hoping sombody can stand out.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
@Mistic1
What would you have rated our receiving corp last year as a unit?
You know 1-32 teams?
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middle of the pack but with huge upside.
1. the wco is a very difficult offense for wrs to learn usually takes 2 year or more for guys to adjust.
2. Our guys are not wco fits, they are made to run deep or catch in space and run. They are not very good on short slants and other patterns generally employed by the wco
3. no chemistry with palmer. plamer avoided dhb and elevated b myers to his primary target. nor did he have the arm to hit our guys deep, which is their strength.
flash back to the palmer arrived, or wr group was playing the best they had in years thanks to all of the extra work and chemistry they had with jc.
enter palmer …and well , flop.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
434.Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
one guy played 7 games in a season and won 5
and the other one played 14 games and won 4
which one is better…?
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The win total is a reflection on how well the TEAM played.
The passing stats are a reflection on how a QB passes.
NEWSFLASH: Passing is kind of an important in the NFL.
Now explain why you don’t want to compare Campbells passing statistics to Palmers?
Is it because they are so horrible in comparison?
If you want to compare statistics of the two QBs that have nothing to do with QBing… do you want to see the rushing support each player received?
I can look it up for you if that is a path you wish to go down… for some reason I think you will pass…
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niners are a run first team and they made it deep into the playoffs the past two yrs…u dont have to be a good passing team to make the playoffs..ravens werent a great passing team in the reg season, just caught fire in the playoffs.
isn’t a QB supposed to make his TEAM play better? or at least his offense? look we can go back and forth all day about this…
yea i get it he didn’t have a lot of running support or overall support around him…that can pretty much be said for EVERY qb that has been here since gannon. we havent had a good running game in a long time until mcfadden broke out. Kerry Collings was a good qb for the raiders, had a good accurate arm stood well in the pocket and put up good numbers. he didn’t have much of a running game either you can compare the two. did campbell have a good running game, yes. did he also make throws when he had to, yes. did he make a lot of stupid, backbreaking mistakes, no.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
478.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
sorry i checked my redneck dictionary and cant find that word !!
LOL
February 14th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
IF Pryor can beat Palmer out, or even come close in the accuracy department than they will have to go with Pryor.
We should all be very happy IF Pryor DOES beat out Palmer that way..cuz if he does, than we’ve got something here for now and in the future.
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Reasonable take DJ. So you’re saying Palmer will start?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
You can find another punt returner….no need to spend one of our few picks on a guy that is more likely than not going to end up in the NFL’s substance abuse program.
No thanks Al Davis.
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Like Randy Moss right?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
?? hey is it still ok to say Phillip Rivers
is a cock gobbling cum dumpster ??
February 14th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Robert Griffin III won the 2011 Heisman Trophy, but there were other deserving candidates this season. Tyrann Mathieu was one player who could have won, especially if you compare his year to a past winner.
LSU has had quite a year as a team. The Tigers are currently undefeated and will play for a national championship next month. However, the most known player on the squad is not a quarterback or running back, but a cornerback.
It is almost impossible to watch an LSU game without hearing Tyrann Mathieu’s name called at least a few times. His playmaking ability allowed him to be invited to New York City as a Heisman finalist, but he easily could have left with the award.
The last and only primary defensive player to win the Heisman Trophy was Charles Woodson of Michigan in 1997. Like Mathieu, Woodson was a cornerback who helped lead his team to an undefeated season, but the similarities go even further.
Both players were high-impact athletes, who excelled on special teams as well as defense.
During his Heisman-winning season, Woodson returned 33 punts for 283 yards. He also notably returned a punt for a touchdown against Ohio State on the last game of the regular season.
Mathieu’s production as a returner was even better, totaling 428 yards on only 24 returns. For those who want impact plays, just look to his 92-yard touchdown return against Arkansas when his team was down against Arkansas.
Just in case that was not good enough, the sophomore also returned a punt for a touchdown in the SEC Championship Game. Once again, LSU was losing at the time.
Brian Bahr/Getty Images
Each player also had plenty of impact in their normal defensive positions.
Charles Woodson was (and still is) a great cover cornerback. He was able to use his great size and athleticism to shut-down the opponents best receiver.
He caused a great amount of frustration to opposing quarterbacks during his time in Michigan, and had 18 interceptions to prove it; eight of which were during his final season.
Tyrann Mathieu had the advantage of having another great cornerback on his team in Morris Claiborne, but that did not slow his impact.
The LSU Tiger had only two interceptions, but added six forced fumbles and four fumble recoveries. Offensive players always had to be aware of where No. 7 was on the field, regardless of what type of play was being run.
Perhaps the biggest difference between the profiles of the two star-players is the fact that Charles Woodson spent some time helping out the team’s offense. He added three touchdowns and 246 yards from scrimmage to his already impressive resume.
While Mathieu did not play any offense this season, he made up for it with his ability to get into the end zone. Mathieu matched Woodson as they each had four total touchdowns during their best seasons.
With these two players having so much in common, it would have made sense for each to leave with the same award. Mathieu certainly did not have a tougher field than Woodson did in 1997.
When Charles Woodson won the Heisman Trophy, he defeated highly-touted quarterback Peyton Manning during his final collegiate season. It would have only be fitting if Tyrann Mathieu was able to defeat the man so often compared to Manning, Andrew Luck.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
LOL Dakota.
Neurosyphilis is an infection of the brain or spinal cord. It usually occurs in persons who have had untreated syphilis for many years. Symptoms: Abnormal walk (gait); Blindness; Confusion; Dementia; Depression; Headache …
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
February 14th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
lol i guess it is !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Mike Jones@MikeJonesWaPo
Mel Kiper says S Tyrann Mathieu as 4th, 5th-rd prospect. Says teams will have to find position for him but thinks can help secondary, teams.
Def worth the risk..
February 14th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
thank O !! you da man !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
LOL ODB
You are crazy. Mark’s Hair too. lol
Old, Dirty, Nasty, and Crazy Bastard.
ODNCB!
Long Live The ODNCB & toothless women!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
sorry i checked my redneck dictionary and cant find that word !!
++++++++++++++++++
When you let syphilis go too long without treatment it can enter the spinal cord and brain and cause neurological issues……I mean, people can’t be this stupid can they?
Draft Honey Badger #3 overall (DMC;s position) or with one of our few higher round picks?
Turn the team over to Pryor?
Tom Cable is a good head coach?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
485. Of course it is.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
ya draft him 3rd overall .. nobody is talking about that
February 14th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Bcz, seems like in today’s NFL, you need to be flexible in your systems and O’s based on what you got and who might be backing them up. This is especially true of McFadden, both for the reason you mention and his duribility question.
I really liked how Reece ran the ball in his place last season. Looked pretty good for a WR.
I think Reggie and Dennis’ staff made a huge (rookie) mistake thinking they could wholesale implement system change without the ability to makeover the roster to accomodate that vision. And now they’ve backpedaled on that concept. Wasted year….
February 14th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
oh damn Dakota i thought it was bad drugs that made THESE PEOPLE think like that !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
?? hey is it still ok to say Phillip Rivers
is a cock gobbling cum dumpster ??
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Sure. They make him way too likeable on;
http://profootballmock.com/category/nfl-qbs-on-facebook/page/5/
Hilarious stuff if you haven’t read any.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
clamoring for geno is not without good reason.
geno is a fantastic prospect, i just dont see how kc can pass him up.
Matt cassel and brady quinnn are clearly not the answers.
Reid had mcnabb who coming out of college was an option qb ( actually their offense mixed option and pro style for one of the first hybrid schemes i can remember)with a huge arm.
Mcnabb was a great athlete but he was a streaky passer. when he is off he is way off. when he gets hot he is as good as anyone.
You couldnt get through a game without at least one or two dirtballs or high sailing passes.
Geno is a better passer than mcnabb was coming out, and i think Reid will not be able to pass him up.
Unknown to some her (jfb) geno is also a very good athlete and is very adept at avoiding sacks. he can out run a defense for 20-30 yards if there is an opening as well.
He is i fact the exact type of qb Reid loves.
Ther is no way he is available when we pick
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Turn the team over to Pryor?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I like that idea. If he plays well, we have a good franchise QB who will win us games. If he doesn’t play well, we are going to finish with one of the worst records in the league, which means we have a chance to get Clowney.
I’m down for the Clown!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
I dont believe palmer can win 9 games
he hasnt posted more than4 wins in his last 3 seasons
he has only won more than 8 games 3/9 seasons
I dont think this scenario is possible, and certainly hasnt happened so this is pure make believe.
lest stick to reality
>>>>
I politely asked you to answer honestly. And you didn’t. You punted instead.
Its a simple VALUES question… would you rather see Palmer guide the Raiders to the playoffs, or watch Pryor win 4 games?
Easy question. Please answer honestly…
February 14th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Jason Campbell throws an AWESOME deep ball…only problem is the NFL does not recognize receptions that are caught OUT OF BOUNDS! Homeboy needs to work on that.
I do agree that he had chemistry with the offense, just not the talent.
Tough to find a guy with the combo of pure skill and being a natural leader.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
ya draft him 3rd overall .. nobody is talking about that
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Actually, yes there are people in here saying that.
I am fine with a 6th or 7th rounder being spend on a drug addict head case who plays backup CB at the NFL level, but we can’t afford to use our 1st, 2ns or 4th rounder on him…..if we had multiple 4th rounders and all of our other picks, or a 5th rounder, then fine.
No way we gamble with any of our top three picks on a douche like that.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Actually, yes there are people in here saying that.
I am fine with a 6th or 7th rounder being spend on a drug addict head case who plays backup CB at the NFL level, but we can’t afford to use our 1st, 2ns or 4th rounder on him…..if we had multiple 4th rounders and all of our other picks, or a 5th rounder, then fine.
No way we gamble with any of our top three picks on a douche like that.
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easy to call names on ppl u dont know
February 14th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
I like that idea. If he plays well, we have a good franchise QB who will win us games. If he doesn’t play well, we are going to finish with one of the worst records in the league, which means we have a chance to get Clowney.
I’m down for the Clown!
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or Teddy Bridgewater
February 14th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Dakota,
Imagine TP running for 40 yards to score a TD to win the game, or him scoring 3+ TDs every game.
OR
Imagine having Star, Clowney, Bryant and Houston as your front 4.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Mistic,
Chicago was 7-2 coming into SF for the Monday nite game. They had lost the week before 13-6 to Houston.How did JC do in that game in SF with a 7-2 team? 32-7 loss to SF. lmao.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
I can’t understand why You People want us to draft a CB/S/KR who is short (5′9), small (175), slow for his size (4.45+), has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
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Well since you put it like that ….
February 14th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Or
Bridgewater who is a better prospect than Geno Smith.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
ok its time for me to go get as high as a giraffes azz.
see YOU PEOPLE in the A.M. !!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
It’s not about what Palmer can do. We saw that last year.
The question is can DMac and the WRs do anything?
DMac, Reece, Ford, Sreater, and Moore are who will take this offense to the next level.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
….Kelly and Seymour werent schit as I told you for a few years now….but you get it now….thank god
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Well now that Seymour’s off he roser, off course we need to replace him.
I like Werner as a 4-3 RDE.
I like Mingo as a 3-4 OLB.
With all that said, I don’t see how we an pass on Millner.
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Please dont post anymore about the Raiders draft if you are gonna say stupid schit like this
Werner is not a RDE….He is a LDE….he doesnt have the skills to beat top notch LTs….if he was so dope why do you think he played LDE at FSU?
Mingo in 3-4? Whatever I’m not a 4-3 guy at all
What the fk are you talking about? No DB is worth a schit without a pass rush….you build a defense from inside and then out…..thinking like this is why we been fked the last decade. Weak ass Dbs have success with a dynamic pass rush!
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Actually, yes there are people in here saying that.
I am fine with a 6th or 7th rounder being spend on a drug addict head case who plays backup CB at the NFL level, but we can’t afford to use our 1st, 2ns or 4th rounder on him…..if we had multiple 4th rounders and all of our other picks, or a 5th rounder, then fine.
No way we gamble with any of our top three picks on a douche like that.
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easy to call names on ppl u dont know
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Oh, maybe his daddy beat him, or his mommy didn’t breast feed him, or whatever….the facts are that he was on a team that could compete for a national championship, had multiple opportunities to get his schyt together, chose the selfish path and hurt his team….and then got arrested.
Douche.
We are in no position to gamble on guys like this anymore.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
hey Dakota,
Tom Cable inherited Jawalrus for over 1 and half season under Al Davis. Tom Cable had Al Davis effin with him weekly and his guys never quit on him in Dec. He still ended up with 8-8 in his 3rd year here in Oak. If you think we could have won with Jawalrus at the helm then you’re smoking out of your rear ends again.
BTW, how about them Lakers.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Meant to say I’m not a 3-4 guy…..I favor 4-3 defense
February 14th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Jacoby Ford is our PR/KR.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
J,
I understand he is a play maker, but we lack talent at so many positions, so we can’t afford to draft a guy like that who is best position in the NFL is NB/ KR. I think we need to draft CB, DE, DT, and LB before we draft NB.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Raider O. I agree with you that in ordinary circumstances sunk costs should not be factored into future decisions. If you look strictly at things in a vacuum. Al made the mistake often of factoring sunk costs into the equation… but this IS still human nature, and logic still applies.
If you pay cash for an expensive car and then leave it for someone else by the road because it has a mangled fender, is that not an example of sunk costs gone wrong? The price of the car is irrelevant, right? Its a sunk cost already paid for.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
hey Dakota,
Tom Cable inherited Jawalrus for over 1 and half season under Al Davis. Tom Cable had Al Davis effin with him weekly and his guys never quit on him in Dec. He still ended up with 8-8 in his 3rd year here in Oak. If you think we could have won with Jawalrus at the helm then you’re smoking out of your rear ends again.
BTW, how about them Lakers.
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Still defending your fellow woman beater right AIG?
Slap any women lately?
February 14th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Oh, maybe his daddy beat him, or his mommy didn’t breast feed him, or whatever….the facts are that he was on a team that could compete for a national championship, had multiple opportunities to get his schyt together, chose the selfish path and hurt his team….and then got arrested.
Douche.
We are in no position to gamble on guys like this anymore.
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We?? you part of ownership? and ya he is getting another opportunity after being invited to the combine. and another one living with his brother Patrick Peterson who is one of the best young cornerbacks in the game
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
ok its time for me to go get as high as a giraffes azz.
see YOU PEOPLE in the A.M. !!
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Later ODB..
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
422.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
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manning won, a lot. more in fact than tebow…what part of 13-3 dbest record in the nfl dont you get. And yea tebow won a first rnd playoff game against a steelers team whose starting safety couldnt play because of miile high and whose starting qb was basically playing on one leg. Manning didn’t have to wina first round game because he had a bye. that argument doesnt make sense, they both made it to second rd in the playoffs so at best your argument is tebow played as well, but then look what happened in the game. tebow got exposed and the broncos got blown out. in p mannings game he picked apart the ravens and if it wasn’t for their safety making the worst defensive play i’ve probably ever seen in a playoff game, the broncos are holding up the lombardi. fact is, they both made it the same length in the playoffs. so your argument that tebow is better has no claim, especially since manning won 13 games and instantly made the broncos the class of the afc west.
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Ford is awesome. But dude can’t seem to stay healthy. Hope we finally get to see a healthy Ford this year. Kid can flat out ball. Now wtf happened to Moore. He led the league in drops. How the heck is that possible for someone who looks so natural in the WR spot?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Jacoby Ford is our PR/KR.
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Jacoby never was a PR.. he was a KR only and a WR.
You can never had enough good PR.. Tryann would be that and a young nickel corner who can play in a hybrid system.
DA likes blitzing corners right?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Mistic,
Chicago was 7-2 coming into SF for the Monday nite game. They had lost the week before 13-6 to Houston.How did JC do in that game in SF with a 7-2 team? 32-7 loss to SF. lmao.
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They lost to houston and houston exposed the o line and knocked cutler out of the game after he threw 2 picks.
they lost to sf as sf continued to abuse the o line
they lots 3 of the next 4 games with cultler and missed the playoffs
the 7-2 was fools gold
February 14th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Has Ford returned punts before??
February 14th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Again STAR is not going to be the pick.
What haas DA been saying since last year?? what has Raiders writers been saying.
RAIDERS NEED A PASS RUSHER.. This draft is deepest at DT.. Im talking there are 15 guys that can go in top 60 according to draft nfl.com scout
Raiders need an elite pass rusher and the premium is higher on pass rushers.
One interesting guy is Ezkel Ansah who has shot up boards now saying a top 15 pick. I heard one detroit radio guy saying LIONS WILL PICK DEE MILLNER or ANSAH at 5th overall. They loved coaching the kid at senior bowl and Van Den Bosche is out.. and is might be CLiff Avril. They feel Ansah can be what JPP is.
Another guy the scout from nfl likes is KeKe MINGO out of LSU.. he has already bulked up 15 pounds and can be a VON MILLER TYPE.. JUST PURE SPEED RUSHER
ANSAH is a guy who can play the run and drop back into coverage too.
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I agree we need a pass rusher….but you need a RDE especially….weakside pressure kills offenses every time!
Damonte Moore is the best 4-3 RDE prospect in this draft…if he is there at 3 you have to take this guy. 21 years old and will only get better. Versatile guy who can play run well and fierce pass rusher….would be stupid to pass him up
February 14th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
446.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Again STAR is not going to be the pick.
What haas DA been saying since last year?? what has Raiders writers been saying.
RAIDERS NEED A PASS RUSHER.. This draft is deepest at DT.. Im talking there are 15 guys that can go in top 60 according to draft nfl.com scout
Raiders need an elite pass rusher and the premium is higher on pass rushers.
One interesting guy is Ezkel Ansah who has shot up boards now saying a top 15 pick. I heard one detroit radio guy saying LIONS WILL PICK DEE MILLNER or ANSAH at 5th overall. They loved coaching the kid at senior bowl and Van Den Bosche is out.. and is might be CLiff Avril. They feel Ansah can be what JPP is.
Another guy the scout from nfl likes is KeKe MINGO out of LSU.. he has already bulked up 15 pounds and can be a VON MILLER TYPE.. JUST PURE SPEED RUSHER
ANSAH is a guy who can play the run and drop back into coverage too.
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I think Ansah may very well be considered at #3 by Raiders.
Bigger, stronger, has long arms and more explosive than Moore, Jordan, Jones and Werner.
Just needs to learn more technique and holding the edge on run plays.
A solid RDE prospect in 4-3 and is athletic enough to stand in 3-4 looks and run passer.
Be curious to see how he can cover and open up the hips well enough at the combine.
If he shows he can stand up and open up hips….he will be a top 5-6 pick most likely.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
RaiderO,
I think we have a chance to be decent this season….talk to me again about Pryor starting after we see the first three preseason games….at that point I might be all in on the race to the #1 pick if I see the same warning signs again this preseason.
DA is still the HC….so there is reason to doubt 2013.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
hey Dakota,
Tom Cable inherited Jawalrus for over 1 and half season under Al Davis. Tom Cable had Al Davis effin with him weekly and his guys never quit on him in Dec. He still ended up with 8-8 in his 3rd year here in Oak. If you think we could have won with Jawalrus at the helm then you’re smoking out of your rear ends again.
BTW, how about them Lakers.
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Still defending your fellow woman beater right AIG?
Slap any women lately?
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Ouch Dakota…..tell us how ya really feel
February 14th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
526.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Again STAR is not going to be the pick.
What haas DA been saying since last year?? what has Raiders writers been saying.
RAIDERS NEED A PASS RUSHER.. This draft is deepest at DT.. Im talking there are 15 guys that can go in top 60 according to draft nfl.com scout
Raiders need an elite pass rusher and the premium is higher on pass rushers.
One interesting guy is Ezkel Ansah who has shot up boards now saying a top 15 pick. I heard one detroit radio guy saying LIONS WILL PICK DEE MILLNER or ANSAH at 5th overall. They loved coaching the kid at senior bowl and Van Den Bosche is out.. and is might be CLiff Avril. They feel Ansah can be what JPP is.
Another guy the scout from nfl likes is KeKe MINGO out of LSU.. he has already bulked up 15 pounds and can be a VON MILLER TYPE.. JUST PURE SPEED RUSHER
ANSAH is a guy who can play the run and drop back into coverage too.
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I agree we need a pass rusher….but you need a RDE especially….weakside pressure kills offenses every time!
Damonte Moore is the best 4-3 RDE prospect in this draft…if he is there at 3 you have to take this guy. 21 years old and will only get better. Versatile guy who can play run well and fierce pass rusher….would be stupid to pass him up
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Hmm….Ansah at 6′6, 270 who is more athletic than the 6′3, 250 pound Moore?
I would take Ansah.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
We can argue about QB’s and all that, but it is clear as day we should have only structured our entire organization around one person the last few years.
Tom Cable
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buwwwwwwaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhah, good one, I needed a good laugh, but im sure some people will think your serious lol
February 14th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Gdog Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
I dont believe palmer can win 9 games
he hasnt posted more than4 wins in his last 3 seasons
he has only won more than 8 games 3/9 seasons
I dont think this scenario is possible, and certainly hasnt happened so this is pure make believe.
lest stick to reality
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I politely asked you to answer honestly
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I answered honestly
I cant compare or follow your train of thought because the scenario is make believe
February 14th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
clamoring for geno is not without good reason.
geno is a fantastic prospect, i just dont see how kc can pass him up.
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Actually Geno stock is dropping like Enron after the truth broke. Smith is a solid prospect. Probably the best of a weak class. But Philly would not have resigned Vick if they thought he was all that.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I have seen some mock drafts that have Damontre moore early 20’s. WTF? one thing about his is he doesnt have a high burst.. but could be solid.
ANSAH is scratching the surface right now. He has mega potential. IF IF he gets with the right coaching staff.. Ansah, SHO nasty, HOUSTON, BRYANT, and other FA’s would be nice
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Dakota,
Puhleez, is that all you got? I guess you dont have a comeback then? TC is doing mighty fine resurrecting Lynch’s career in Seattle. Best Coach since Gruden.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
It’s not about what Palmer can do. We saw that last year.
The question is can DMac and the WRs do anything?
DMac, Reece, Ford, Sreater, and Moore are who will take this offense to the next level
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DMAC…or an offensive coordinator that uses our strengths. speed speed speed. I think chip kelly would have a field day with our offensive talent. I think we have more talent than ppl say we do, i mean this is the same team talent wise on offense who was top 10 in the nfl 2 yrs ago, and thats with our starting qb going down week7, our starting rb who was leading the league in rushing going down week 8. We have the tools. Our o line needs to be more beaty, that zbs sh!t got them soft. I wouldnt be mad if we traded down and got warmack. and then jones from bama in the 2nd hahaha put him at center move wiz to rg u got veldheer, wiz, b jones, warmack, and someone else. our o line could be a game changer. that’s not going to happen because we need defense. but a man can wonder
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Truth about Geno?
Now what is the truth?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
im out
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
We can argue about QB’s and all that, but it is clear as day we should have only structured our entire organization around one person the last few years.
Tom Cable
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buwwwwwwaaaaaaaahahahhahahahhah, good one, I needed a good laugh, but im sure some people will think your serious lol
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Ask Russell Wilson what he thinks of Cable.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Truth about Geno?
Now what is the truth?
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RGIII he ain’t.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
This is a weak QB class, but so was 2011, and teams went nutz and drafted a bunch of crap QBs in the first round. There is hope that some teams could be fooled into trading up with us.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Richard Seymour’s quiet goodbye and the draft void: The Raiders’ recent history tells you how far they have to go
Posted by Tim Kawakami on February 14th, 2013 at 10:38 am | Categorized as 49ers, NFL, Raiders
Richard Seymour has left the building quietly and literally–he was very good for the Raiders immediately after they traded for him in 2009 and into 2010 then a little less good in 2011 and almost a ghost in 2012.
His big contract voided due to playing-time clauses, and of course walking away from Seymour (even with some dead-money hitting the cap this year) makes total sense for the Raiders.
He’s 33 and there is no way this team needs to keep him around at that monster salary–they’re not good enough and he’s not good enough.
He was Al Davis’ short-term play, and it didn’t quite work out, and there is a pattern here that helps to explain why the Raiders are so barren of talent of late.
I do want to to add that Seymour was a good influence on Tommy Kelly, Lamarr Houston and a few others.
But the reality, with Seymour gone, is stark: The Raiders gave up a 2011 first-rounder to get him, and the end result was zero winning seasons with Seymour… a continuation of their zero-winning season run since the end of 2002. (And New England, who gave Seymour up when he was still in his prime, has kept on going to the playoffs.)
Now the Raiders face a similar situation with Carson Palmer, who cost TWO high draft picks; I presume they’ll keep him, but they probably have to adjust his salary down to make it feasible to keep him, and they’ve still got to send Cincinnati a 2nd-round pick this year.
By the way, Palmer was in his early-30s–late-late-prime, just like Seymour was–when the Raiders spent so much to get him.
Desperation. Which leads to nowhere. And the Raiders are paying the price now, when they could most use those draft picks.
I mentioned the pattern, and it is all traced back to the draft and team philosophy.
Raiders fans will not like this, but one Bay Area team went to the Super Bowl (and lost) with a roster brimming with young talent and the other went 4-12 with not so much talent.
It’s not difficult to see why…
* The Raiders have 5 of their own previous No. 1 picks on their roster currently: Sebastisan Janikowski, Michael Huff, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Rolando McClain.
And now that Seymour is off their roster, they have three players drafted in the 1st round by other teams: Carson Palmer, Andre Carter and Matt Leinart.
* Meanwhile, the 49ers have 9 of their own previous No. 1 picks still on their roster: Alex Smith, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Michael Crabtree, Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Aldon Smith and A.J. Jenkins.
And the 49ers have six players drafted in the 1st round by other teams: Randy Moss, Ted Ginn Jr., Donte Whitner, Leonard Davis, Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers.
That’s a lot of first-round talent on the 49ers.
* The 49ers also have nine players on their current roster whom they drafted and then later made the Pro Bowl representing the 49ers. (RB Frank Gore, TE Vernon Davis, OT Joe Staley, ILB Patrick Willis, ILB NaVorro Bowman, S Dashon Goldson, P Andy Lee, OG Mike Iupati and LB Aldon Smith.)
The Raiders have two: K Sebastian Janikowski and P Shane Lechler.
(FB Marcel Reece was a Pro Bowler this year–got in as an alternate and played–but went undrafted in 2008 and later signed with the Raiders. I’m not counting LS Jon Condo for any of this–he wasn’t drafted and he has gone to the Pro Bowl twice as a “need” player.)
The Raiders’ last non-kicker drafted by them to make the Pro Bowl outright for them was CB Nnamdi Asomugha in 2010. Before that, it was WR Tim Brown in 2001.
I can feel Raiders’ fans fury at me already for daring to detail this amount of non-good Raiders history, oh well. If you make desperation moves followed by desperation moves followed by bad picks… you get what the Raiders have been and still are. You just cannot avoid that.
It’s not like the 49ers or anybody else has hit on every high pick (A.J. Jenkins, hello!); and the Raiders have done well with several picks in the last few years, no doubt.
But look at the totality of the last few years and look at the two rosters. There’s a huge difference and it plays out on the field.
I’m going to throw Baltimore and Seattle into this discussion, because I think they’re also two very talented teams, and let’s just go over the last few draft classes for these four teams… and the results…
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/02/14/richard-seymours-quiet-goodbye-and-the-draft-void-the-raiders-recent-history-tells-you-how-far-they-have-to-go/
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
446.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Again STAR is not going to be the pick.
What haas DA been saying since last year?? what has Raiders writers been saying.
RAIDERS NEED A PASS RUSHER.. This draft is deepest at DT.. Im talking there are 15 guys that can go in top 60 according to draft nfl.com scout
Raiders need an elite pass rusher and the premium is higher on pass rushers.
One interesting guy is Ezkel Ansah who has shot up boards now saying a top 15 pick. I heard one detroit radio guy saying LIONS WILL PICK DEE MILLNER or ANSAH at 5th overall. They loved coaching the kid at senior bowl and Van Den Bosche is out.. and is might be CLiff Avril. They feel Ansah can be what JPP is.
Another guy the scout from nfl likes is KeKe MINGO out of LSU.. he has already bulked up 15 pounds and can be a VON MILLER TYPE.. JUST PURE SPEED RUSHER
ANSAH is a guy who can play the run and drop back into coverage too.
^^^^^^^^^
I think Ansah may very well be considered at #3 by Raiders.
Bigger, stronger, has long arms and more explosive than Moore, Jordan, Jones and Werner.
Just needs to learn more technique and holding the edge on run plays.
A solid RDE prospect in 4-3 and is athletic enough to stand in 3-4 looks and run passer.
Be curious to see how he can cover and open up the hips well enough at the combine.
If he shows he can stand up and open up hips….he will be a top 5-6 pick most likely.
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Are you kidding me? Ansah is nowhere near the level of football talent at RDE that Moore is…explosive? What? SEC player vs a fkin BYU guy who had 4.5 sacks last year….you cant be serious saying he is more explosive….this is crazy man
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
534.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I have seen some mock drafts that have Damontre moore early 20’s. WTF? one thing about his is he doesnt have a high burst.. but could be solid.
ANSAH is scratching the surface right now. He has mega potential. IF IF he gets with the right coaching staff.. Ansah, SHO nasty, HOUSTON, BRYANT, and other FA’s would be nice
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man i read somewhere that a lot of “nfl personnel men” don’t even have him as a first round talent… something is hella fishy about either that article or all these mock drafts.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
534.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I have seen some mock drafts that have Damontre moore early 20’s. WTF? one thing about his is he doesnt have a high burst.. but could be solid.
ANSAH is scratching the surface right now. He has mega potential. IF IF he gets with the right coaching staff.. Ansah, SHO nasty, HOUSTON, BRYANT, and other FA’s would be nice
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Ansah bigger, stronger, longer and more athletic and explosive than Moore.
Higher ceiling also.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
GRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
534.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
I have seen some mock drafts that have Damontre moore early 20’s. WTF? one thing about his is he doesnt have a high burst.. but could be solid.
ANSAH is scratching the surface right now. He has mega potential. IF IF he gets with the right coaching staff.. Ansah, SHO nasty, HOUSTON, BRYANT, and other FA’s would be nice
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man i read somewhere that a lot of “nfl personnel men” don’t even have him as a first round talent… something is hella fishy about either that article or all these mock drafts.
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Moore is a very solid prospect. Anyone who does not think that would be silly.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Fools gold Mistic? Then how did they get to 7-2 in the first place with Cutler? Face it, JC sucks. You can spin and lay the blame on everyone else all you want but even JC knew his value when he picked up the back up job in Chicago. Had he took a chance and waited he’d get a starting gig later but as JFB noted “JC chkdwn at the first chance in FA.”
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
clamoring for geno is not without good reason.
geno is a fantastic prospect, i just dont see how kc can pass him up.
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Actually Geno stock is dropping like Enron after the truth broke. Smith is a solid prospect. Probably the best of a weak class. But Philly would not have resigned Vick if they thought he was all that.
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bush you love speaking as if you know what teams are saying behind closed doors.
Vick is the best possible fit for kelly and his offense, athleticism and several years of nfl experience.
Vick was already under contract, the eagles were going to have to pay him or take a hit, so it was prudent business to restructure him.
This has nothing to do with geno smith
you just make stuff up and throw it out as if you have some sort of inside info
lol
pure comedy
February 14th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
If you pay cash for an expensive car and then leave it for someone else by the road because it has a mangled fender, is that not an example of sunk costs gone wrong? The price of the car is irrelevant, right? Its a sunk cost already paid for.
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Your example:
That’s not a good example for sunk costs because we are not talking about replacement for the car, and its better/ more cost effective to replace the mangled bumper than the entire car.
CP:
Sunk costs are the picks and money invested in him in the past (bonuses paid, Salary paid, and picks traded), and that should not be a factor in making future decisions like paying him $13-15 million to play on a bad team that lacks talent.
That only things that we should focus on/ consider when making future/ current decisions about this situation is replacement and future/ current costs like his salary in 2013 and his dead money amount if we trade/ release him.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Tom Cable is a fine assistant.
As a head coach he blows. His record speaks for itself.
He was in over his head. Not his fault….only that dysfunctional owner and this dysfunctional team would have ever thought to name that guy HC. Had Hue not come in and got Cable out of the way on offense, Cable would not have sniffed 8-8 in 2010.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Vick is the best possible fit for kelly and his offense, athleticism and several years of nfl experience.
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Finally we can agree here Mistic. Can’t wait to see what Kelly can do with Vick/Dixon in Philly. I’m a fan of the nfl and want to see how these things pan out in the league. It will be fun.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Richard Seymour’s quiet goodbye and the draft void: The Raiders’ recent history tells you how far they have to go
Posted by Tim Kawakami on February 14th, 2013 at 10:38 am | Categorized as 49ers, NFL, Raiders
Richard Seymour has left the building quietly and literally–he was very good for the Raiders immediately after they traded for him in 2009 and into 2010 then a little less good in 2011 and almost a ghost in 2012.
His big contract voided due to playing-time clauses, and of course walking away from Seymour (even with some dead-money hitting the cap this year) makes total sense for the Raiders.
He’s 33 and there is no way this team needs to keep him around at that monster salary–they’re not good enough and he’s not good enough.
He was Al Davis’ short-term play, and it didn’t quite work out, and there is a pattern here that helps to explain why the Raiders are so barren of talent of late.
I do want to to add that Seymour was a good influence on Tommy Kelly, Lamarr Houston and a few others.
But the reality, with Seymour gone, is stark: The Raiders gave up a 2011 first-rounder to get him, and the end result was zero winning seasons with Seymour… a continuation of their zero-winning season run since the end of 2002. (And New England, who gave Seymour up when he was still in his prime, has kept on going to the playoffs.)
Now the Raiders face a similar situation with Carson Palmer, who cost TWO high draft picks; I presume they’ll keep him, but they probably have to adjust his salary down to make it feasible to keep him, and they’ve still got to send Cincinnati a 2nd-round pick this year.
By the way, Palmer was in his early-30s–late-late-prime, just like Seymour was–when the Raiders spent so much to get him.
Desperation. Which leads to nowhere. And the Raiders are paying the price now, when they could most use those draft picks.
I mentioned the pattern, and it is all traced back to the draft and team philosophy.
Raiders fans will not like this, but one Bay Area team went to the Super Bowl (and lost) with a roster brimming with young talent and the other went 4-12 with not so much talent.
It’s not difficult to see why…
* The Raiders have 5 of their own previous No. 1 picks on their roster currently: Sebastisan Janikowski, Michael Huff, Darren McFadden, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Rolando McClain.
And now that Seymour is off their roster, they have three players drafted in the 1st round by other teams: Carson Palmer, Andre Carter and Matt Leinart.
* Meanwhile, the 49ers have 9 of their own previous No. 1 picks still on their roster: Alex Smith, Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, Joe Staley, Michael Crabtree, Anthony Davis, Mike Iupati, Aldon Smith and A.J. Jenkins.
And the 49ers have six players drafted in the 1st round by other teams: Randy Moss, Ted Ginn Jr., Donte Whitner, Leonard Davis, Justin Smith and Carlos Rogers.
That’s a lot of first-round talent on the 49ers.
* The 49ers also have nine players on their current roster whom they drafted and then later made the Pro Bowl representing the 49ers. (RB Frank Gore, TE Vernon Davis, OT Joe Staley, ILB Patrick Willis, ILB NaVorro Bowman, S Dashon Goldson, P Andy Lee, OG Mike Iupati and LB Aldon Smith.)
The Raiders have two: K Sebastian Janikowski and P Shane Lechler.
(FB Marcel Reece was a Pro Bowler this year–got in as an alternate and played–but went undrafted in 2008 and later signed with the Raiders. I’m not counting LS Jon Condo for any of this–he wasn’t drafted and he has gone to the Pro Bowl twice as a “need” player.)
The Raiders’ last non-kicker drafted by them to make the Pro Bowl outright for them was CB Nnamdi Asomugha in 2010. Before that, it was WR Tim Brown in 2001.
I can feel Raiders’ fans fury at me already for daring to detail this amount of non-good Raiders history, oh well. If you make desperation moves followed by desperation moves followed by bad picks… you get what the Raiders have been and still are. You just cannot avoid that.
It’s not like the 49ers or anybody else has hit on every high pick (A.J. Jenkins, hello!); and the Raiders have done well with several picks in the last few years, no doubt.
But look at the totality of the last few years and look at the two rosters. There’s a huge difference and it plays out on the field.
I’m going to throw Baltimore and Seattle into this discussion, because I think they’re also two very talented teams, and let’s just go over the last few draft classes for these four teams… and the results…
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2013/02/14/richard-seymours-quiet-goodbye-and-the-draft-void-the-raiders-recent-history-tells-you-how-far-they-have-to-go/
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KawakamiCoward is a fkin dummy….did he not see Charles Woodson was drafted and made pro bowl in 2001 as well like timmy? So much for knowing your schit KawakamiCoward!
February 14th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
I just want us to start winning again…I don’t care who is on the field when we’re doing it. f*ck
February 14th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Fools gold Mistic? Then how did they get to 7-2 in the first place with Cutler? Face it, JC sucks. You can spin and lay the blame on everyone else all you want but even JC knew his value when he picked up the back up job in Chicago. Had he took a chance and waited he’d get a starting gig later but as JFB noted “JC chkdwn at the first chance in FA.”
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Damn just imagine how bad Palmer sucks then lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Sacks are not everying in college..
Look at JPP stats at South Florida his last year in college? hardly anything 6 sacks as well.
Aldon smith only had 4.5 sacks his final season.
You look at the production yes.. but you also look at the caliber football player he is and could be.
How did Ansah look at the senior bowl??
February 14th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Tom Cable is a fine assistant.
As a head coach he blows. His record speaks for itself.
He was in over his head. Not his fault….only that dysfunctional owner and this dysfunctional team would have ever thought to name that guy HC. Had Hue not come in and got Cable out of the way on offense, Cable would not have sniffed 8-8 in 2010.
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Wrong in every way.
TC is a fine HC BUT a terrible playcaller.
You judge a coach on the way his players stay motivated or check out. TC’s players didnt quit in DEC and actually won to get us out the “loser record”.
Hue was so awesome he inherited an 8-8 team with full power and finished…..a whopping 8-8 by going 1-4 to finish out the year.
But keep trying bro.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
I can feel Raiders’ fans fury at me already for daring to detail this amount of non-good Raiders history, oh well.
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Who is that knocking on your chamber door? John Herrera?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
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You are a damn liar Glenn…..They ran the Hue Jackson offense in 2010….like Hue was gonna come here and have Cable who is a known dummy run the offense. Why the fk you think Hue went to DMAC first and foremost and asked what he liked? Why in God’s name did JC have dinner at Kincaid’s within 24 hours with Hue and not Cable after being traded? I was right there eavesdropping on the convo so stop lying man!
February 14th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
SPRANO interview yesterday was interesting. HE seems like like a stern..no BS type coach.
You could jsut tell he wishes he was HC again. Would be interesting if he ever took over the RAIDERS this season
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Fools gold Mistic? Then how did they get to 7-2 in the first place with Cutler?
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you know you can look these things up dont you?
6 of the first seven wins came against non play off teams
det, dal, stl, jax, car, tenn
The 7th win was beating indy in lucks first start as a pro
they lost to gb, and hou – playoff teams
they went on to lose 3/4 sea, minn, gb
fools gold aig
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
That was HUES offense since 2010. Even Greg Papa said Hue Jackson was the real coach in 2010
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Tom Cable is a fine assistant.
As a head coach he blows. His record speaks for itself.
He was in over his head. Not his fault….only that dysfunctional owner and this dysfunctional team would have ever thought to name that guy HC. Had Hue not come in and got Cable out of the way on offense, Cable would not have sniffed 8-8 in 2010.
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Wrong in every way.
TC is a fine HC BUT a terrible playcaller.
You judge a coach on the way his players stay motivated or check out. TC’s players didnt quit in DEC and actually won to get us out the “loser record”.
Hue was so awesome he inherited an 8-8 team with full power and finished…..a whopping 8-8 by going 1-4 to finish out the year.
But keep trying bro.
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What is Tom Cable’s record as a head coach again? Are you that slow, or do you need to see him coach another 70 games before his .333 win percentage starts making sense to you?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
B,
I have learned over the years that there are those that handle pressure well and those that crumble under pressure. I fear Palmer doesnt handle clutch moments well based on his performance in close games for us last year. Just like Eli is a much better clutch guy than his brother but we all know his brother can put up better numbers when not in a clutch situation.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Sacks are not everying in college..
Look at JPP stats at South Florida his last year in college? hardly anything 6 sacks as well.
Aldon smith only had 4.5 sacks his final season.
You look at the production yes.. but you also look at the caliber football player he is and could be.
How did Ansah look at the senior bowl??
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Good point.
Btw, A Smith and JPP were not top 5 picks. We need to trade down (and get more picks) to compensate for the extra risk.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
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“The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010.
“Coming in a year ago, they made a switch to a zone system,” Olson said. “I don’t know if you ever want to pigeonhole yourself that way and say, ‘That’s what we do.’ You may not be able to do that based on the players you have.””
Lying dumbass.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
That was HUES offense since 2010. Even Greg Papa said Hue Jackson was the real coach in 2010
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No it wasn’t. Sometimes Papa gets a little over enthused.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
557.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Sacks are not everying in college..
Look at JPP stats at South Florida his last year in college? hardly anything 6 sacks as well.
Aldon smith only had 4.5 sacks his final season.
You look at the production yes.. but you also look at the caliber football player he is and could be.
How did Ansah look at the senior bowl??
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i heard he was horrible in practice and balled in the game…i don’t know how to take that. i meanu obviously want a guy who plays well in games, but u also don’t want a guy who is a horrible practice player, might have something to say about his work ethic too.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Sacks are not everying in college..
Look at JPP stats at South Florida his last year in college? hardly anything 6 sacks as well.
Aldon smith only had 4.5 sacks his final season.
You look at the production yes.. but you also look at the caliber football player he is and could be.
How did Ansah look at the senior bowl??
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JPP who is aided by Osi and Tuck eh? Did you forget about that?
How about Aldon not being schit once Justin smith got hurt
Ansah doesnt have a great first step to whip LTs…..if we traded down and got him in the 20s I can roll with it….3? Hell naw
February 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
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buuwwaahahhahahaaaa, comedy hour in here eh..Wilson doesn’t even know who Cable is, he actually thinks he is the janitor. LMFAO at Hur running Cables offense that scored a whole 12 points a game in 2009 lol
February 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
That was HUES offense since 2010. Even Greg Papa said Hue Jackson was the real coach in 2010
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No it wasn’t. Sometimes Papa gets a little over enthused.
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Even resorts to lying after we all know the truth…..sad
February 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Dakota,
You know how I look at a coach. I look at his body of work and see if there a trend up, down or flat line. TC hasnt coached long enough in this league for me to look at his career record. What I see is someone who took over a shcyyyyytty mess, meddling owner, and forced on syrup drinking QB and improved it by the time he left. How many coaches with the Raiders since Gruden have proven that?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
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You are a damn liar Glenn…..They ran the Hue Jackson offense in 2010….like Hue was gonna come here and have Cable who is a known dummy run the offense. Why the fk you think Hue went to DMAC first and foremost and asked what he liked? Why in God’s name did JC have dinner at Kincaid’s within 24 hours with Hue and not Cable after being traded? I was right there eavesdropping on the convo so stop lying man!
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weaksauceman. So, you have two guys that are barely hanging on the league, and we should go with them over a guy who has had success everywhere he went. Sure, weaksauce. Whatever you say…
February 14th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Raider O Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Sacks are not everying in college..
Look at JPP stats at South Florida his last year in college? hardly anything 6 sacks as well.
Aldon smith only had 4.5 sacks his final season.
You look at the production yes.. but you also look at the caliber football player he is and could be.
How did Ansah look at the senior bowl??
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Good point.
Btw, A Smith and JPP were not top 5 picks. We need to trade down (and get more picks) to compensate for the extra risk.
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Exactly Raider O…..Ansah is not a top 5 pick…and is not better than Moore….never
February 14th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Btw, A Smith and JPP were not top 5 picks. We need to trade down (and get more picks) to compensate for the extra risk.
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Thats true. Aldon went 7th overall and JPP at 15. However I bet if JPP came out after his rookie season would be a top 5 pick.
I believe sho nasty was missing his “wimbley” this year.. Wimbley made the whole team better because you had to account for him or put two guys on him. Thats why we are missing out speed rusher.
I agree trading back would be nice. Picking up DION JORDAN who will be moving up the ranks.. or MINGO.. etc
February 14th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Cables offense was what Knapp was just running here you fool, lol
February 14th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
B,
I have learned over the years that there are those that handle pressure well and those that crumble under pressure. I fear Palmer doesnt handle clutch moments well based on his performance in close games for us last year. Just like Eli is a much better clutch guy than his brother but we all know his brother can put up better numbers when not in a clutch situation.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
AIG….I agree with your post
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
JPP? The one time AD should have gone with physical potential freak and failed to do so. I was happy with Romac during that draft and thought we should stay away from physical freaks. Dead wrong as it turned out.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Bryan Perez@FirstRoundGrade
If you love Damontre Moore, have him in your top 5, and he free-falls to 2nd round? Who cares. You might end up being right! Trust the tape
i see all kinds of this kinda stuff on him in mock draft write ups.
NFL football post had him late 1’s
February 14th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
however i think DA texas AM alum wont pass on MOORE IF HE IS THERE
February 14th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense.
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You are a damn liar Glenn…..They ran the Hue Jackson offense in 2010….like Hue was gonna come here and have Cable who is a known dummy run the offense. Why the fk you think Hue went to DMAC first and foremost and asked what he liked? Why in God’s name did JC have dinner at Kincaid’s within 24 hours with Hue and not Cable after being traded? I was right there eavesdropping on the convo so stop lying man!
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weaksauceman. So, you have two guys that are barely hanging on the league, and we should go with them over a guy who has had success everywhere he went. Sure, weaksauce. Whatever you say…
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That doesnt fkin matter what their position is as of now….we talking 2010 about whose offense it was….this is a typical weak person tactic….GO OFF TOPIC when getting worked….again everyone sees you as a liar on this….stop and admit youre wrong
February 14th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:43 am
Personally I like the Belicheat approach where he just lies about the scheme all the time.
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And it STILL DOESNT MATTER. No rings since Spygate. He can lie all he wants. Ravens and Jets just smashed them in the nose.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Going back to the Hue Jack offense, eh?
Right now, I’m convinced DA doesn’t know a damned thing about offense.
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You mean the Tom Cable offense. Jackson ran Cables offense. When he started to tweak it and run his own, things went bad. Just ask Russell Wilson about Cables offense
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I liked Tom cable, he was actually a really good head coach when he had an offensive coordinator like hue jackson. Him and hue together could have done big things. Hue jackson did not run cables offense, cable is actually a ZBS coach, that is why mcfadden struggled for a the first part of his career. Then when hue Jackson came in he went to mcfadden and asked him what plays he likes and mcfadden told him run down hill, so he put in downhill power runs and that is when mcfadden, along with the offense, took off. it’s actually pretty well documented if u look back to that time period. I love hue jackson as an OC, not a head coach. I think Tom Cable and Hue Jackosn would have been a god combo for yrs to come, unfortunately al didn’t like tom cable, and hue kinda snaked him so i dont think they liked each other much so the chances of that are done.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Jacoby Ford is our PR/KR.
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Who??????
February 14th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
And JPP wasnt so stellar this past season I might add nor was he as a rookie…..2011 I remember he balled out….so let’s hold off on the Ansah being so great angle okay
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
post 585, NGRaider, you nailed it. Im off to lunch.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Gdog,
Here is an example of sunk costs that is about cars.
You bought an expensive used car 1.5 years ago, and you spent a lot of money to get it. You find out that the car needs a new engine which is very expensive, what do you do? Do you buy a new engine for this used expensive car that may develop other problems in the future, or invest that money in a new car/ another used car (under warranty).
What you paid/ sacrificed to buy & maintain that expensive car during the 1.5 years is Sunk Costs.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
422.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
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manning won, a lot. more in fact than tebow…what part of 13-3 dbest record in the nfl dont you get. And yea tebow won a first rnd playoff game against a steelers team whose starting safety couldnt play because of miile high and whose starting qb was basically playing on one leg. Manning didn’t have to wina first round game because he had a bye. that argument doesnt make sense, they both made it to second rd in the playoffs so at best your argument is tebow played as well, but then look what happened in the game. tebow got exposed and the broncos got blown out. in p mannings game he picked apart the ravens and if it wasn’t for their safety making the worst defensive play i’ve probably ever seen in a playoff game, the broncos are holding up the lombardi. fact is, they both made it the same length in the playoffs. so your argument that tebow is better has no claim, especially since manning won 13 games and instantly made the broncos the class of the afc west.
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All i hear is excuses.
Tebow is just as good as Manning. You can’t deny the team results. They went just as far, therefore they are equal.
Its all about how the team does right. They went exactly the same distance in the playoffs, therefore equal.
The point is, you can take one stat and blow it way out of proportion. Thats one problem with data. To make an true analysis, you need multiple sets of data, thats why the ridiculous claim that JC is better than Palmer purely due to record.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
That doesnt fkin matter what their position is as of now…
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Right weaksauce. As I always say, we can listen to 95% of you who don’t know sh**, OR, we can listen to NFL guys who are in the playoffs. Sorry weaksauceman.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Bryan Perez@FirstRoundGrade
If you love Damontre Moore, have him in your top 5, and he free-falls to 2nd round? Who cares. You might end up being right! Trust the tape
i see all kinds of this kinda stuff on him in mock draft write ups.
NFL football post had him late 1’s
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He didnt do crap against Alabama and didnt look as explosive in Senior Bowl practices…. one of these rushers Barkevious Mingo, Moore, Werner is going to bust
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
580.aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
JPP? The one time AD should have gone with physical potential freak and failed to do so. I was happy with Romac during that draft and thought we should stay away from physical freaks. Dead wrong as it turned out.
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the irony in that is that we actually took the guy that the Giants really wanted and thought they needed at the time. crazy
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I am pretty sure every coach on seattle’s staff got consideration for HC opportunities this offseason….except Tom Cable.
lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Jacoby Ford is our PR/KR.
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Who??????
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the one with the four kickoff returns for TDs, one for a club record, and a game where he near single handedly forced the Chiefs to OT with clutch catches.
damn, some short memories in this camp….
February 14th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
however i think DA texas AM alum wont pass on MOORE IF HE IS THERE
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The A&M connection sure does not hurt. Moore was a freshman second team All Big 12, took over for Von Miller and then switched positions to a 4/3 end. Moore is the real deal.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
the NFL COMBINE will tell alot about these guys in drills.. not just 40 time.. im talking ball drills.. and some one on ones
February 14th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I am pretty sure every coach on seattle’s staff got consideration for HC opportunities this offseason….except Tom Cable.
lmao
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NFC championship appearance. Pretty sure the o-line had something to do with Wilson and Lynch having great seasons. Cable got the final LMAO, along with Zach Miller.
nuff said
February 14th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
only about 8 more days and the best thing is Raiders staff running the show
February 14th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
That doesnt fkin matter what their position is as of now…
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Right weaksauce. As I always say, we can listen to 95% of you who don’t know sh**, OR, we can listen to NFL guys who are in the playoffs. Sorry weaksauceman.
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SEE THIS EVERYONE
Glenda we were talking whose offense it was in 2010….all the other schit you are talking is irrelevant…stay on topic and stop acting like you are on your monthly….you are losing bad. everyone knows 2010 was Hue’s offense not Cable’s. You are so full of schit its sad
February 14th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Dakota Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I am pretty sure every coach on seattle’s staff got consideration for HC opportunities this offseason….except Tom Cable.
lmao
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NFC championship appearance. Pretty sure the o-line had something to do with Wilson and Lynch having great seasons. Cable got the final LMAO, along with Zach Miller.
nuff said
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nuff said? That makes him a good head coach? I said he is a fine assistant, so really your comment is a “nothing said”
February 14th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
however i think DA texas AM alum wont pass on MOORE IF HE IS THERE
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I think Reggie is getting the players, but you make a good point about DA having that TAM connection which will help him get better reports/ news about Moore like he did for Denver with Miller.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
590.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
422.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
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manning won, a lot. more in fact than tebow…what part of 13-3 dbest record in the nfl dont you get. And yea tebow won a first rnd playoff game against a steelers team whose starting safety couldnt play because of miile high and whose starting qb was basically playing on one leg. Manning didn’t have to wina first round game because he had a bye. that argument doesnt make sense, they both made it to second rd in the playoffs so at best your argument is tebow played as well, but then look what happened in the game. tebow got exposed and the broncos got blown out. in p mannings game he picked apart the ravens and if it wasn’t for their safety making the worst defensive play i’ve probably ever seen in a playoff game, the broncos are holding up the lombardi. fact is, they both made it the same length in the playoffs. so your argument that tebow is better has no claim, especially since manning won 13 games and instantly made the broncos the class of the afc west.
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All i hear is excuses.
Tebow is just as good as Manning. You can’t deny the team results. They went just as far, therefore they are equal.
Its all about how the team does right. They went exactly the same distance in the playoffs, therefore equal.
The point is, you can take one stat and blow it way out of proportion. Thats one problem with data. To make an true analysis, you need multiple sets of data, thats why the ridiculous claim that JC is better than Palmer purely due to record.
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ok i mean i know u are trying to make an argument, but really? tebow is as good as manning. U aare actually contradicting yourself by saying that tebow is as good as manning because went as far in the playoffs and was a winner but saying you cant say jc better because of wins. The Broncos imroved in EVERY statisical category besides running from the tebow to manning. There isn’t a person on the planet earth who would take tebow over manning, tebows parents wouldnt take tebow over manning if they wanted a qb for their team. get real this argument is dumb i cant even believe I have to defend manning over tebow…if u can tell me one person in the nfl, player, coach, executive, owner, whatever, that would rather have tebow than manning, i’ll give u the argument. don’t worry, i’ll wait.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Kawakami on top of it, and wrong as usual.
The contract did not void.
Richard Seymour has left the building quietly and literally–he was very good for the Raiders immediately after they traded for him in 2009 and into 2010 then a little less good in 2011 and almost a ghost in 2012.
His big contract voided due to playing-time clauses, and of course walking away from Seymour (even with some dead-money hitting the cap this year) makes total sense for the Raiders.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
That doesnt fkin matter what their position is as of now…
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Right weaksauce. As I always say, we can listen to 95% of you who don’t know sh**, OR, we can listen to NFL guys who are in the playoffs. Sorry weaksauceman.
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SEE THIS EVERYONE
Glenda we were talking whose offense it was in 2010….all the other schit you are talking is irrelevant…stay on topic and stop acting like you are on your monthly….you are losing bad. everyone knows 2010 was Hue’s offense not Cable’s. You are so full of schit its sad
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Weaksauceman, you are beginning to melt down. Show me one link where it says anywhere that Jackson came here and installed a new offense. Thank you.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Kawakami is absolutely right, but some morons can’t handle the truth.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I’ll check in later for more laughs.
Cable was a good HC!
Draft Honey Badger!
Start Pryor!
This is funny stuff!
February 14th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
If Jackson came here, installed a new offense, turned everything around single handedly, he wouldn’t be working the projector for Cincy and Barely hanging on. He would be an OC somewhere. Cable on the other hand is running and designing the Seattle offense. But its OK. One day you will finally get something right.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
“He will be a smarter player and will refrain from diving and helicoptering for meaningless first downs in the regular season”.
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LMFAO!
February 14th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Good point.
Btw, A Smith and JPP were not top 5 picks. We need to trade down (and get more picks) to compensate for the extra risk.
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I liked the sound of Jordan in the 1st,
and Short in the 2nd….
Short had a Monster Senior Bowl
February 14th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
590.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
422.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
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manning won, a lot. more in fact than tebow…what part of 13-3 dbest record in the nfl dont you get. And yea tebow won a first rnd playoff game against a steelers team whose starting safety couldnt play because of miile high and whose starting qb was basically playing on one leg. Manning didn’t have to wina first round game because he had a bye. that argument doesnt make sense, they both made it to second rd in the playoffs so at best your argument is tebow played as well, but then look what happened in the game. tebow got exposed and the broncos got blown out. in p mannings game he picked apart the ravens and if it wasn’t for their safety making the worst defensive play i’ve probably ever seen in a playoff game, the broncos are holding up the lombardi. fact is, they both made it the same length in the playoffs. so your argument that tebow is better has no claim, especially since manning won 13 games and instantly made the broncos the class of the afc west.
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All i hear is excuses.
Tebow is just as good as Manning. You can’t deny the team results. They went just as far, therefore they are equal.
Its all about how the team does right. They went exactly the same distance in the playoffs, therefore equal.
The point is, you can take one stat and blow it way out of proportion. Thats one problem with data. To make an true analysis, you need multiple sets of data, thats why the ridiculous claim that JC is better than Palmer purely due to record.
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ok i mean i know u are trying to make an argument, but really? tebow is as good as manning. U aare actually contradicting yourself by saying that tebow is as good as manning because went as far in the playoffs and was a winner but saying you cant say jc better because of wins. The Broncos imroved in EVERY statisical category besides running from the tebow to manning. There isn’t a person on the planet earth who would take tebow over manning, tebows parents wouldnt take tebow over manning if they wanted a qb for their team. get real this argument is dumb i cant even believe I have to defend manning over tebow…if u can tell me one person in the nfl, player, coach, executive, owner, whatever, that would rather have tebow than manning, i’ll give u the argument. don’t worry, i’ll wait.
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You really missed the point. Of course i don’t believe that, however based on your logic that is true.
Thats the entire point. Think about how ridiculous that sounds, yet you compared a teams record and stated JC is better than Palmer. It’s flawed logic.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Seymour/Oakglen,
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010.
“Coming in a year ago, they made a switch to a zone system,” Olson said. “I don’t know if you ever want to pigeonhole yourself that way and say, ‘That’s what we do.’ You may not be able to do that based on the players you have.””
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252213
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You lying cross posting piece of schit.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
February 14th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
I just find it amazing how once again in here, some players and coaches can do no wrong, and some can do no right. With no rhyme of reason to what they actually do.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Bryan Perez@FirstRoundGrade
If you love Damontre Moore, have him in your top 5, and he free-falls to 2nd round? Who cares. You might end up being right! Trust the tape
i see all kinds of this kinda stuff on him in mock draft write ups.
NFL football post had him late 1’s
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He didnt do crap against Alabama and didnt look as explosive in Senior Bowl practices…. one of these rushers Barkevious Mingo, Moore, Werner is going to bust
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Yeah Moore did nada at Senior bowl since he is a junior lol….he didnt play of course he did nada
You sure he did nada vs Bama who had best team in ciollege? They were shutting them out 20-0
Wow one of those rushers will bust….way to go out on a limb lol
February 14th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
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No. The National Football is full of sh**. Or you and weaksauce are. I will go with the latter.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
And Bama dogged many people this year….so I know youre reaching lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
608.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
If Jackson came here, installed a new offense, turned everything around single handedly, he wouldn’t be working the projector for Cincy and Barely hanging on. He would be an OC somewhere. Cable on the other hand is running and designing the Seattle offense. But its OK. One day you will finally get something right.
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Hue Jackson got fired because he’s a moron and tried to be a gm when he was only a head coach, and then had a meltdown after the final game of the season. And when new GMs come in they always want their guy. Cable isn’t running the offense in seattle he is the o line coach, same thing sparano is here. u think sparano is gonna be running our offense? no. Bevell is the OC in seattle. Hue Jackson will have a coordinator job soon. I heard his name in a couple coaching searches this year, college and pro. tom cable will probably get his chance too. They both are good at what they do as assistants,both had flaws as head coaches
February 14th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
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Of course it was Hue’s Offense…..He was the DAMN OC. it was HIS offense.
What is in question here?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
If I remember correctly didnt Damonte Moore hustle from other side and cause big fumble that led to Aggies going up 12 in fourth quarter? Someone help me out here
February 14th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Coming in a little late from the last article. Work and all gets in the way. But who woulda thought we’d have two posts in as little as two days?
Anyway, this quote:
““That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.””
Tells me that Pryor is doomed in Olsen’s offense. Decision making and throwing strong point to point passes from the pocket (along with taking Wonderlic tests) are his weakest skills.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
hue was playing gm because we had none after the death of sr.
The question i have though is why would they fire hue for playing gm when it was jr that allowed him to do so.
More than the failed trade i believe it was hues lack of professionalism that cost his job.
Throwing coaches players and front office under the bus in press conferences is a bad move any way you slice it
February 14th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
That doesnt fkin matter what their position is as of now…
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Right weaksauce. As I always say, we can listen to 95% of you who don’t know sh**, OR, we can listen to NFL guys who are in the playoffs. Sorry weaksauceman.
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SEE THIS EVERYONE
Glenda we were talking whose offense it was in 2010….all the other schit you are talking is irrelevant…stay on topic and stop acting like you are on your monthly….you are losing bad. everyone knows 2010 was Hue’s offense not Cable’s. You are so full of schit its sad
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Weaksauceman, you are beginning to melt down. Show me one link where it says anywhere that Jackson came here and installed a new offense. Thank you.
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HAHAHAHAHA….Kell just did…..hell its on this new fix….now shut up and go to bed Glenda…..we all know you’re upset you will prolly get stood up again on V-day
February 14th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Coming in a little late from the last article. Work and all gets in the way. But who woulda thought we’d have two posts in as little as two days?
Anyway, this quote:
““That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.””
Tells me that Pryor is doomed in Olsen’s offense. Decision making and throwing strong point to point passes from the pocket (along with taking Wonderlic tests) are his weakest skills.
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So is Palmer’s! lol
February 14th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I thought I read that the Doc was takin a break from the blog for a few weeks
February 14th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
here is an article from PFF
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 10, 2011, 5:46 PM EST
Oakland Raiders v Kansas City Chiefs Getty Images
Firing Tom Cable wasn’t a popular move among a lot of Raiders players, but hiring Hue Jackson should smooth things over.
Jason Campbell joined PFT Live Tuesday and was excited with what Jackson will bring to the table.
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Basically the players liked Cable. Campbell liked Jackson. Maybe because Cable benched him? Seymour Bush owns mistic and weaksauceman.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
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Of course it was Hue’s Offense…..He was the DAMN OC. it was HIS offense.
What is in question here?
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Glenny wants a link lol….he is the one questioning whether it was Hue’s offense or not
February 14th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
olson needs to find a way to involve taiwann…
February 14th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
hue was playing gm because we had none after the death of sr.
The question i have though is why would they fire hue for playing gm when it was jr that allowed him to do so.
More than the failed trade i believe it was hues lack of professionalism that cost his job.
Throwing coaches players and front office under the bus in press conferences is a bad move any way you slice it
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I have a feeling he would have been canned either way…. I’ve seen too many instances (Even here at my work) where a new upper management person comes in, fires some folks, and brings in “THEIR PEOPLE”….. Sucks but…..Probably would have happened regardless.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
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Of course it was Hue’s Offense…..He was the DAMN OC. it was HIS offense.
What is in question here?
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When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Im sure our most likely trade partner would be Arizona but does anybody think the Rams might want to trade 16 and 22 for our 3? Could we sweeten the pot with a later round?
Grab a dlineman and hopefully someone like Xavier Rhodes if he is still available.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
here is an article from PFF
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on May 10, 2011, 5:46 PM EST
Oakland Raiders v Kansas City Chiefs Getty Images
Firing Tom Cable wasn’t a popular move among a lot of Raiders players, but hiring Hue Jackson should smooth things over.
Jason Campbell joined PFT Live Tuesday and was excited with what Jackson will bring to the table.
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Basically the players liked Cable. Campbell liked Jackson. Maybe because Cable benched him? Seymour Bush owns mistic and weaksauceman.
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LOL nothing in that says 2010 was Cable’s offense lmao…nice try Glenny…..everyone sees you gettin assaulted again…..maybe someone will turn out lights like they did for 49ers so the beating wont be so bad
February 14th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Would it be socially acceptable for me to wear my Cable jersey at this years Raider game in Dago?
I would say yes of course, however its a home (black) jersey.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
When will the bears release Bush from that fat contract?
Just in time to sign up for the vet minimum and rejoin DMAC in Oakland?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
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We’re talking about the Raiders, not the Saints, dumbass.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
if 2010 was cables offense, then why did everyone including jc say that he was in his 2nd year in the offense in 2011?
Because hu jack installed HIS offense in 2010. This included asking dmac what plays he liked in 2010 then ADDING them.
You cant add something that is already present
bush is full of ish
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Of course it was Hue’s Offense…..He was the DAMN OC. it was HIS offense.
What is in question here?
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When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
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HAHAHA you talking abou.t a guy that was a passing game coordinator vs a guy who never been an OC or anything like that in the NFL hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha
Cable is an OL coach…Hue had two different OC jobs….thanks for playing moron
February 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
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LMFAO! Was Paytons offense ranked last and scored only 12 points a game, apples and oranges
February 14th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Big time mistake to pull the zbs last year and then switch back.
Who is the rocket scientist that made that decision last year?
February 14th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
If I’m not mistaken wasnt Payton a QB coach and an OC for Giants when they went to SB?
Glenda….stop…this isnt even fair….you’re too easy to beat up
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
Jackson actually had no success at the pro level as an OC. He had one or two one year stints before being canned. But somehow, Tom Cable just turned his offense over to someone with no success even tho he was the head coach. Cable then Got canned, and got a good gig. While Jackson had to beg, to get any gig. Sure, Jackson is the genius here. makes sense.
February 14th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Realtruraider Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
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LMFAO! Was Paytons offense ranked last and scored only 12 points a game, apples and oranges
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Cable never been an OC like Payton…..Cable called plays in 2009 and Al Davis stripped his ass of that duty lmao…..Glenda is getting embarrassed…he is doing his best Skip Bayless impersonation right now
February 14th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
Jackson actually had no success at the pro level as an OC. He had one or two one year stints before being canned. But somehow, Tom Cable just turned his offense over to someone with no success even tho he was the head coach. Cable then Got canned, and got a good gig. While Jackson had to beg, to get any gig. Sure, Jackson is the genius here. makes sense.
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Tell me the great NFL offense Cable ran….we will wait….tell us about his OC jobs in the NFL
February 14th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
Jackson actually had no success at the pro level as an OC. He had one or two one year stints before being canned. But somehow, Tom Cable just turned his offense over to someone with no success even tho he was the head coach. Cable then Got canned, and got a good gig. While Jackson had to beg, to get any gig. Sure, Jackson is the genius here. makes sense.
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Al Davis was the big bad mfka in the building…he said Hue was taking over the offense….no duh you moron lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
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You can’t accept facts that don’t agree with your delusions, can you?
You sound just like Dr rob. Knowing you, you probably are him. Lol.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
If it was Hue’s complete offense in 2010, why did he spend the whole 2011 offseason talking about all the changes he is going to make to the offense (power-blocking, etc)?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
So let’s summarize. Not one person can come here with any word from any actual NFL person that Jackson installed his own offense. Cable is running an O in Seattle. Jackson was coaching DB’s. But yet, somehow Jackson is an offensive genius. Have you morons had enough? Or are you done?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
When Carmichael took over for Sean Payton, you think he installed HIS offense?
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We’re talking about the Raiders, not the Saints, dumbass.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA….Glenda only holding on like Skip Bayless does on tv because he is getting killed and doesnt wanna admit wrong even when its in his face
February 14th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
B
Its good to see you here keeping semis and big headed goobers in line.
I hope everything is set up to survive the coming year.
Something tells me it is about to get real hot especially overseas
February 14th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
611.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
590.rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
422.bcz24 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
- one player is a super bowl champion, 1st ballot hall of famer, considered top 2-3 qbs of all time
-the other is a career bench warmer, considered the third best qb on his team by his own teammates..
which one is better…
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Welp to use your line, it doesn’t matter what the did before or after they were Broncos, only what they did while they were here. Tebow won a playoff game for the donkeys, Manning did not. Wins are all that matters right?
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manning won, a lot. more in fact than tebow…what part of 13-3 dbest record in the nfl dont you get. And yea tebow won a first rnd playoff game against a steelers team whose starting safety couldnt play because of miile high and whose starting qb was basically playing on one leg. Manning didn’t have to wina first round game because he had a bye. that argument doesnt make sense, they both made it to second rd in the playoffs so at best your argument is tebow played as well, but then look what happened in the game. tebow got exposed and the broncos got blown out. in p mannings game he picked apart the ravens and if it wasn’t for their safety making the worst defensive play i’ve probably ever seen in a playoff game, the broncos are holding up the lombardi. fact is, they both made it the same length in the playoffs. so your argument that tebow is better has no claim, especially since manning won 13 games and instantly made the broncos the class of the afc west.
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All i hear is excuses.
Tebow is just as good as Manning. You can’t deny the team results. They went just as far, therefore they are equal.
Its all about how the team does right. They went exactly the same distance in the playoffs, therefore equal.
The point is, you can take one stat and blow it way out of proportion. Thats one problem with data. To make an true analysis, you need multiple sets of data, thats why the ridiculous claim that JC is better than Palmer purely due to record.
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ok i mean i know u are trying to make an argument, but really? tebow is as good as manning. U aare actually contradicting yourself by saying that tebow is as good as manning because went as far in the playoffs and was a winner but saying you cant say jc better because of wins. The Broncos imroved in EVERY statisical category besides running from the tebow to manning. There isn’t a person on the planet earth who would take tebow over manning, tebows parents wouldnt take tebow over manning if they wanted a qb for their team. get real this argument is dumb i cant even believe I have to defend manning over tebow…if u can tell me one person in the nfl, player, coach, executive, owner, whatever, that would rather have tebow than manning, i’ll give u the argument. don’t worry, i’ll wait.
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You really missed the point. Of course i don’t believe that, however based on your logic that is true.
Thats the entire point. Think about how ridiculous that sounds, yet you compared a teams record and stated JC is better than Palmer. It’s flawed logic.
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except that the offense actually was better with JC than it was with palmer., and the team was better. the broncos team wasn’t better with tebow, everyone and their moms knew it was better with manning. that analogy is horrible. comparing tebow/manning to JC/palmer cant be done. P manning is a proven winner, tebow hasn’t proven anything. Palmer was a winner at times with the bengals, campbell was a winner at times with the redskins. both went to the playoffs once. I think campbell won his first playoff game back before sean taylor died and they beat tampa bay. Carson Palmer lost his only playoff game. They both need good pieces around them to be successful. You can’t tell me palmer ever carried a team. That bengals team in 2005, their one good yr, was stacked, they chad johnson and houshmanzadeh in their primes, a speedy receiver in chris henry as their 3rd wr, rudi johnson who rushed for 1458 yds and 12 tds, and a stout defense (#11 in nfl in ppg allowed). Campbell can’t carry a team either he had santana moss in his prime, clinton portis in his prime, and a good defense. OUr team, and our offense especially, looked smoother with jason campbell at qb, period. blame it on whatever you want o coordinator, head coach, bad defense, no running game, i dont care. Our offense was better when JC was qb. our team was better when JC was qb. The Broncos are better with manning at qb. When tebow got traded and they got manning Demariyus thomas pubicly said he was happy to finally have a qb to throw him the ball. this is the guy who caught tebows big td pass in OT, and he didn’t even want tebow he was probably cried for joy when they got manning. People were sad when JC got hurt. The team had rallied around him. I haven’t seen this team rally around palmer. Hopefully if he doesn’t get cut I will see it this year..we’ll wait and see. Your Tebow/manning analogy is still moronic tho.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
If it was Hue’s complete offense in 2010, why did he spend the whole 2011 offseason talking about all the changes he is going to make to the offense (power-blocking, etc)?
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If you remember they still ran zone mixed in with power….cable even said that in 2010….Hue was fully gonna eliminate the ZBS…you get it? Yes you do
Speaking of oline scheme….you got a pizano running the oline scheme….aint ya juiced?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Al Davis was the big bad mfka in the building…he said Hue was taking over the offense….no duh you moron lmao
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He didn’t say that. He said he was taking over the playcalling. And then that got ripped from Jackson later in 2011 by Al Saunders. Thanks for making an ass of yourself weaksauce!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252251
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Now go ponder all kinds of delusional what if scenarios, Seymour/Oakglen.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
If it was Hue’s complete offense in 2010, why did he spend the whole 2011 offseason talking about all the changes he is going to make to the offense (power-blocking, etc)?
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If you remember they still ran zone mixed in with power….cable even said that in 2010….Hue was fully gonna eliminate the ZBS…you get it? Yes you do
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That’s because the ZBS was Kiffins system that he brought Cable here to run. You know why? Because Cable knew what he was doing. Man, keep talking, you keep embarrassing yourself, weaksauce.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
If Hubris is the offensive genius/mastermind many say he is, then, he should have been able to win with Boller and not make that expensive trade for Palmer.
A genius/mastermind can win with anyone, no?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
So let’s summarize. Not one person can come here with any word from any actual NFL person that Jackson installed his own offense. Cable is running an O in Seattle. Jackson was coaching DB’s. But yet, somehow Jackson is an offensive genius. Have you morons had enough? Or are you done?
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Cable is running the O? Did you mfka just say this bs?
Bevell is back in Seattle again….so therefore guess who runs the fkin offense? Not the mfkin OL coach!….you are a complete dumbass! But I do enjoy the Mista vs Oakglenn arguments…best feud on blog
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
if you want to debate if it was cables offense or hues offense in 2010. look at the games from 2009 (TC, no Hue) and 2011(Hue, no TC), which offense does it look more similar to. Problem solved.
Look at Mcfaddens runs in 2010, were they power runs, or zbs runs. problem solved.
in my opinion, 2010 looked pretty identical to 2011, not much like 2009
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252251
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Now go ponder all kinds of delusional what if scenarios, Seymour/Oakglen.
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Man you are stupid. I said NFL person. Not corkran making an off the cuff remark.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252251
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February 14th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
If it was Hue’s complete offense in 2010, why did he spend the whole 2011 offseason talking about all the changes he is going to make to the offense (power-blocking, etc)?
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If you remember they still ran zone mixed in with power….cable even said that in 2010….Hue was fully gonna eliminate the ZBS…you get it? Yes you do
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That’s because the ZBS was Kiffins system that he brought Cable here to run. You know why? Because Cable knew what he was doing. Man, keep talking, you keep embarrassing yourself, weaksauce.
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Cable ran ZBS in fkin Atlanta lol….kiffin hired him because cable is a ZBS guy you dumbass lmao!
My god someone keep track of score
B@uce 100000000000000000
Glenda 0
February 14th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
If you remember they still ran zone mixed in with power….cable even said that in 2010….Hue was fully gonna eliminate the ZBS…you get it? Yes you do
Speaking of oline scheme….you got a pizano running the oline scheme….aint ya juiced?
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I prefer the hybrid attack myself, but we shall see what Sparano can bring to the table.
Cannoli’s for everyone!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Corkran not a NFL person?….Glenda you are harsh my friend
February 14th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
So let’s summarize. Not one person can come here with any word from any actual NFL person that Jackson installed his own offense. Cable is running an O in Seattle. Jackson was coaching DB’s. But yet, somehow Jackson is an offensive genius. Have you morons had enough? Or are you done?
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Cable is running the O? Did you mfka just say this bs?
Bevell is back in Seattle again…
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Cable is the Assistant Head Coach. He runs the offense! Carrol runs the defense. Bevell calls the plays! Man, you don’t know what is going on. Here, weaksauce, let’s start with peewee football. OK, there are 11 kids on a side…….
February 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
654.jackasspuria Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
If Hubris is the offensive genius/mastermind many say he is, then, he should have been able to win with Boller and not make that expensive trade for Palmer.
A genius/mastermind can win with anyone, no?
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good point. he was still a good Offensive coach in my mind though, seeing as how we were a top offense when he was runnng the O
February 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Look at Mcfaddens runs in 2010, were they power runs, or zbs runs. problem solved.
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They were both.
Go the NFL.com gamecenter for the Jags game that year, and watch all the lineman diving at ankles.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
If you remember they still ran zone mixed in with power….cable even said that in 2010….Hue was fully gonna eliminate the ZBS…you get it? Yes you do
Speaking of oline scheme….you got a pizano running the oline scheme….aint ya juiced?
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I prefer the hybrid attack myself, but we shall see what Sparano can bring to the table.
Cannoli’s for everyone!!!!
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At least we know that fiery Italian style of his will get in OL guys faces if they suckin….I can dig it!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
662.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
So let’s summarize. Not one person can come here with any word from any actual NFL person that Jackson installed his own offense. Cable is running an O in Seattle. Jackson was coaching DB’s. But yet, somehow Jackson is an offensive genius. Have you morons had enough? Or are you done?
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Cable is running the O? Did you mfka just say this bs?
Bevell is back in Seattle again…
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Cable is the Assistant Head Coach. He runs the offense! Carrol runs the defense. Bevell calls the plays! Man, you don’t know what is going on. Here, weaksauce, let’s start with peewee football. OK, there are 11 kids on a side…….
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does that mean sparano is going to be running our offense than, seeing as he has the exact same title as tom cable? F*ck we r doomed then…
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Cable ran ZBS in fkin Atlanta lol….kiffin hired him because cable is a ZBS guy you dumbass lmao!
My god someone keep track of score
B@uce 100000000000000000
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OMG, this idiot really doesn’t have any idea what is going on. The zone system is ALWAYS a mix of zone and power. Jeeebus.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Look at Mcfaddens runs in 2010, were they power runs, or zbs runs. problem solved.
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They were both.
Go the NFL.com gamecenter for the Jags game that year, and watch all the lineman diving at ankles.
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More runs were power and you know it my friend….they did mix it up but it was obvious power was his best fit
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Wife is stuffing some Cannoli’s as we speak.
Every confectioners on mine please!!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Last I check OL ran the O Line, Offensive coordinator coordinated the offense, it’s kind of in the job title….
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Cable ran ZBS in fkin Atlanta lol….kiffin hired him because cable is a ZBS guy you dumbass lmao!
My god someone keep track of score
B@uce 100000000000000000
Glenda 0
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OMG, this idiot really doesn’t have any idea what is going on. The zone system is ALWAYS a mix of zone and power. Jeeebus.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..man I’m done….this is too funny
so ZBS has always been a hybrid system? OK Glenda
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
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When Cable took over as HC, wasn’t he running Kiffin’s offense at the time? Then the following year, it was Dirt Knapp’s offense; which Cable shut down and took over playcalling? Then Hue Jack came in and installed a new offense all together?
I don’t really know if there was any point in time where Tom “Drew up, and installed his OWN” offense for this team.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
667.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Cable ran ZBS in fkin Atlanta lol….kiffin hired him because cable is a ZBS guy you dumbass lmao!
My god someone keep track of score
B@uce 100000000000000000
Glenda 0
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OMG, this idiot really doesn’t have any idea what is going on. The zone system is ALWAYS a mix of zone and power. Jeeebus.
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except for the first 10 or so weeks of this yr for the raiders.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
does that mean sparano is going to be running our offense than, seeing as he has the exact same title as tom cable? F*ck we r doomed then…
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As Soprano is known as an Oline guy, who can run and design blocking schemes, and is known as a playcaller, and the fact that Allen is primarily a defensive guy, and defensive playcaller, then yes, expect Soprano to be running our O.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Last I check OL ran the O Line, Offensive coordinator coordinated the offense, it’s kind of in the job title….
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Look…Glenda is in the NFL circles that we arent accustomed to….therefore he knows more than you and I……OL coaches run the offense in his world
Next he will say Chris Dorner was innocent
February 14th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Poor weaksauce. Exposed. But weaksauce has been exposed time and time again. I still like him tho.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252251
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So, like I said. Going back to the Jackson style, eh?
Just seems to say that DA doesn’t know a damned thing about Offense or Offensive players, I guess.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
does that mean sparano is going to be running our offense than, seeing as he has the exact same title as tom cable? F*ck we r doomed then…
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As Soprano is known as an Oline guy, who can run and design blocking schemes, and is known as a playcaller, and the fact that Allen is primarily a defensive guy, and defensive playcaller, then yes, expect Soprano to be running our O.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…..Greg Olson might as well hit up Grand Oaks or Pappy’s with me during week and tailgate in D Lot with Hwnrdr, 707raiders and DMAC on gamedays since he doesnt run the O
February 14th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
#644 you have hit the jackpot… That was also exposed by your foe Beech Diggity…
February 14th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Please dont post anymore about the Raiders draft if you are gonna say stupid schit like this
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You’re so dramatic.
I’m all for taking the best player at his position.
Star and Millner are clearly the best players at their position, and those positions are right up there in need with RDE.
Werner is going o be a damn good player. WAY beter than ShoNasty. I get that you don’t lilke him or FSU players so no need to even talk about him.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Poor weaksauce. Exposed. But weaksauce has been exposed time and time again. I still like him tho.
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Never have been exposed yet….I kill on this blog…you have been at the end of the shed beatings I distribute…but you are an East Bay advocate so its rather funny you have went off deep end lately…youll be back normal soon we hope
February 14th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
The Olson offense will look a lot more like the one Jackson installed as offensive coordinator in 2010
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2013/02/13/its-all-downhill-for-raiders-rushing-attack/comment-page-13/#comment-1252251
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So, like I said. Going back to the Jackson style, eh?
Just seems to say that DA doesn’t know a damned thing about Offense or Offensive players, I guess
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Banging my head off my desk right now……
This is why people were so “Up in Arms” when they went and scrapped the whole system to install a new one. The old one WUDD’NT BROKE
February 14th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
J Hill Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Please dont post anymore about the Raiders draft if you are gonna say stupid schit like this
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You’re so dramatic.
I’m all for taking the best player at his position.
Star and Millner are clearly the best players at their position, and those positions are right up there in need with RDE.
Werner is going o be a damn good player. WAY beter than ShoNasty. I get that you don’t lilke him or FSU players so no need to even talk about him.
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What dont you get about a Cb not being schit without a pass rush?
Werner is a LDE….you know we need a RDE right?
Yeah FSU players suck and I dont want em unless drafted in mid rounds
February 14th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
622.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
hue was playing gm because we had none after the death of sr.
The question i have though is why would they fire hue for playing gm when it was jr that allowed him to do so.
More than the failed trade i believe it was hues lack of professionalism that cost his job.
Throwing coaches players and front office under the bus in press conferences is a bad move any way you slice it
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yeah okay once again for the millionth time…it was Hues 1st year on the job and a VERY adverse one at that!
Plus Hue had some PASSION and FIRE can coach both sides of the football and has far more coaching knowledge and versatility than the one dimensional deer in the headlights DA.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Banging my head off my desk right now……
This is why people were so “Up in Arms” when they went and scrapped the whole system to install a new one. The old one WUDD’NT BROKE
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Haunts me too. It really gives me doubts about them.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Glenny….its just like watching a dope match in Ring of Honor when fans yell….”Please dont stop! Please dont stop!”
Glenny from all of us on the blog when it comes to talking about Cable and OL coaches running an offense…..PLEASE DONT STOP! lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Give Hue Jax credit… He installed plays to the offense players strenghts
February 14th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
hahaha…..how does it feel Hue haters and DA and Knapp apologists to know McK and DA screwed up.
They are going to try and go back to what Hue ran when he was here on offense.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
So, one final beatdown: Jacksons first year here, he was named Offensive Coordinator. But we had Tom Cable who had a ton of success running and designing offenses, Paul Hackett who had been successful in the NFL for over 20 years, and Ted Tollner whose title was passing game coordinator. Tollner also had 15 years of the success in the league. But yet some morons here want us to believe that Cable, Tollner and Hackett all somehow just took a back seat to the new whiz kid Hue Jackson even tho Jackson kept getting demoted. Man, that takes some bending of logic right there.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Fk Hue Jackson…..he deserved to be fired…..I was at Pappy’s yesterday and you know what someone told me about that mfka?
2011 after the Chiefs blowout he was at Everett and Jones laughing and smiling yuckin it up with some ho3s….this wasnt long after gettin destroyed.
You would think he would take this job serious….he wasnt….he hung out at JLS all the time…he had himself a good time while still not bringing us to schit
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
He have so many holes, that we can’t apply the “bigger needs to fill” logic anywhere really in the draft.
There is no greater need than the whole you can fill right away, and go on to plug the next one.
We drafted O-lineman with our first pick in the last two years, and in 2010 drafted Houston, Veldheer and Bruce Campbell with 3 of our first 4 picks.
Can I buy a WR or DB Pat?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
674.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
does that mean sparano is going to be running our offense than, seeing as he has the exact same title as tom cable? F*ck we r doomed then…
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As Soprano is known as an Oline guy, who can run and design blocking schemes, and is known as a playcaller, and the fact that Allen is primarily a defensive guy, and defensive playcaller, then yes, expect Soprano to be running our O.
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then y do u even have an offensive coordinator? what does he do, if not run the offense? tony sparano isn’t gonna be doing crap except talking to his o lineman when they come out of the game, olson will have the playsheet in his hands and the headset on talking to the qb. I can’t believe this is an argument. I guess the D Line coach runs the defense too then. When theoffenses are doing bad, why is it the O coordinator that is the first one fired. Y did we even fire knapp, if he wasn’t running the offense, the o line coach was, why didn’t we just fire him. Y was cam cameron the only one fired in baltimore, why didn’t they fire their OL coach? why did people want to hire kyle shanahan from the redskins, i mean Bobby turner is the asst. head coach/ OL coach, he was the one running the offense according to u, y didn’t he get any looks? I guess winston moss runs the defense in Green Bay, not dom capers…if we wanted sparano calling plays he would be our offensive coordinator. no, he is our OL coach because he is good at coaching o lineman how to block. Why are they talking to olson about HIS plans for our offense, why aren’t they talking to sparano? i mean he’s running the show…comical
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
The example is the game in Denver 2010… Offense was running on all cylinders… Cableman even said that Hue called great plays…
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
So, one final beatdown: Jacksons first year here, he was named Offensive Coordinator. But we had Tom Cable who had a ton of success running and designing offenses, Paul Hackett who had been successful in the NFL for over 20 years, and Ted Tollner whose title was passing game coordinator. Tollner also had 15 years of the success in the league. But yet some morons here want us to believe that Cable, Tollner and Hackett all somehow just took a back seat to the new whiz kid Hue Jackson even tho Jackson kept getting demoted. Man, that takes some bending of logic right there.
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Yep as if Cable tollner and Hackett tell Al how things are gonna be…HAHAHAHAHA
Glenny….PLEASE DONT STOP! PLEASE DONT STOP!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
674.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
does that mean sparano is going to be running our offense than, seeing as he has the exact same title as tom cable? F*ck we r doomed then…
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As Soprano is known as an Oline guy, who can run and design blocking schemes, and is known as a playcaller, and the fact that Allen is primarily a defensive guy, and defensive playcaller, then yes, expect Soprano to be running our O.
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then y do u even have an offensive coordinator? what does he do, if not run the offense? tony sparano isn’t gonna be doing crap except talking to his o lineman when they come out of the game, olson will have the playsheet in his hands and the headset on talking to the qb. I can’t believe this is an argument. I guess the D Line coach runs the defense too then. When theoffenses are doing bad, why is it the O coordinator that is the first one fired. Y did we even fire knapp, if he wasn’t running the offense, the o line coach was, why didn’t we just fire him. Y was cam cameron the only one fired in baltimore, why didn’t they fire their OL coach? why did people want to hire kyle shanahan from the redskins, i mean Bobby turner is the asst. head coach/ OL coach, he was the one running the offense according to u, y didn’t he get any looks? I guess winston moss runs the defense in Green Bay, not dom capers…if we wanted sparano calling plays he would be our offensive coordinator. no, he is our OL coach because he is good at coaching o lineman how to block. Why are they talking to olson about HIS plans for our offense, why aren’t they talking to sparano? i mean he’s running the show…comical
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hahahaha…JUST TELL GLENNY……PLEASE DONT STOP! PLEASE DONT STOP!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
That first TD in that Denver game, pass to wide-open Miller, was a ZBS PA stretch play.
Soup sold the hell out of those fakes, got to give him credit for that.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
So let’s follow the logic of the moron. Cable ran offenses that were successful everywhere he went. He came here, was promoted and was running the offense. One that he designed. Al Davis says he has too much on his plate and gives the playcalling to Hue Jackson.
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When Cable took over as HC, wasn’t he running Kiffin’s offense at the time? Then the following year, it was Dirt Knapp’s offense; which Cable shut down and took over playcalling? Then Hue Jack came in and installed a new offense all together?
I don’t really know if there was any point in time where Tom “Drew up, and installed his OWN” offense for this team.
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You pretty much got this right. But it was actually Knapp’s offense under Kiffin. Cable took over playcalling duties in 2008 after the San Diego game, but it was Knapp’s O. And that O started to really clik the last 6 games of that season (JR: 95 QBR), ending with consecutive wins over Houston and Tampa. Then for whatever reason, Knapp and DeFillipo leave and are replaced by Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett. Tollner was the passing game coodinator and Cable coordinated the run game and called plays. Chaz’s preseason injury was a big factor, but I believe this move, along with starting Louis Murphy and DHB as rookies, cost JR his career here.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
690.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Fk Hue Jackson…..he deserved to be fired…..I was at Pappy’s yesterday and you know what someone told me about that mfka?
2011 after the Chiefs blowout he was at Everett and Jones laughing and smiling yuckin it up with some ho3s….this wasnt long after gettin destroyed.
You would think he would take this job serious….he wasnt….he hung out at JLS all the time…he had himself a good time while still not bringing us to schit
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Like any of that chit really matters.
Hue was a better fit as HC for the Raiders than weak azz deer in the headlights DA.
You will realize that when DA gets fired and Soprano takes over as interim HC.
LOL
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
SeyGlenn the cross posting cross dressing tr0ll getting his ass handed to him, again! Just like KK he comes in here for his daily beating.
#libtards unite
February 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
The example is the game in Denver 2010… Offense was running on all cylinders… Cableman even said that Hue called great plays…
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Tell Glenny……PLEASE DONT STOP!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Banging my head off my desk right now……
This is why people were so “Up in Arms” when they went and scrapped the whole system to install a new one. The old one WUDD’NT BROKE
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Haunts me too. It really gives me doubts about them.
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Yeah, it’s hard to be too optimistic now. Especially when they’re goin and saying stuff we already knew from the beginning…..
Uhhh, DMAC doesn’t seem to be a ZBS guy; He’s more of a downhill runner……(NO SH*T)
We need to really get a look at Pryor and see what he’s capable of…….(Ya had 4 games at the end of the season to do it)
…. And Where the FU*K was Marcel Reece for the 1st half of the season? Tryin to make the most of his 1-2 checkdowns per game.
Com’on guys (The Staff)…. I WANT to believe, but you’re makin it REAL hard.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Hey no sign of Doctapuzz… That puppet must be getting new strings attached….
February 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
690.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Fk Hue Jackson…..he deserved to be fired…..I was at Pappy’s yesterday and you know what someone told me about that mfka?
2011 after the Chiefs blowout he was at Everett and Jones laughing and smiling yuckin it up with some ho3s….this wasnt long after gettin destroyed.
You would think he would take this job serious….he wasnt….he hung out at JLS all the time…he had himself a good time while still not bringing us to schit
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Like any of that chit really matters.
Hue was a better fit as HC for the Raiders than weak azz deer in the headlights DA.
You will realize that when DA gets fired and Soprano takes over as interim HC.
LOL
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February 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
“Passing game co-ordinator”, lol
Can we get a “Punt return co-ordinator” or a “learn to sell the play-fake co-ordinator” or a “how to take a proper angle for a Safety co-ordinator”?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
690.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Fk Hue Jackson…..he deserved to be fired…..I was at Pappy’s yesterday and you know what someone told me about that mfka?
2011 after the Chiefs blowout he was at Everett and Jones laughing and smiling yuckin it up with some ho3s….this wasnt long after gettin destroyed.
You would think he would take this job serious….he wasnt….he hung out at JLS all the time…he had himself a good time while still not bringing us to schit
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Like any of that chit really matters.
Hue was a better fit as HC for the Raiders than weak azz deer in the headlights DA.
You will realize that when DA gets fired and Soprano takes over as interim HC.
LOL
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Kinda does matter since we still never got over hump and won division
Instead of kicking it maybe he woulda been at home or the office designing ways to get a more effective redzone offense and maybe we dont kick FGs like week 17 vs SD….maybe even get better playcalls that dont cost us the season…..Detroit…Denver…..thanks
February 14th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
“Passing game co-ordinator”, lol
Can we get a “Punt return co-ordinator” or a “learn to sell the play-fake co-ordinator” or a “how to take a proper angle for a Safety co-ordinator”?
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Al Davis interviewed Payton off of being a passing game coordinator lmao and Saints hired him….didnt they win a title? Thanks…..Payton also was an OC
February 14th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Hue should have been studying the art of when to go for a 2 point conversion (see, Lions game) instead of being seen out on the town cheesing it up.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Banging my head off my desk right now……
This is why people were so “Up in Arms” when they went and scrapped the whole system to install a new one. The old one WUDD’NT BROKE
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Haunts me too. It really gives me doubts about them.
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Yeah, it’s hard to be too optimistic now. Especially when they’re goin and saying stuff we already knew from the beginning…..
Uhhh, DMAC doesn’t seem to be a ZBS guy; He’s more of a downhill runner……(NO SH*T)
We need to really get a look at Pryor and see what he’s capable of…….(Ya had 4 games at the end of the season to do it)
…. And Where the FU*K was Marcel Reece for the 1st half of the season? Tryin to make the most of his 1-2 checkdowns per game.
Com’on guys (The Staff)…. I WANT to believe, but you’re makin it REAL hard.
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“We are working hard. We’re coming close. Its a process. We got guys who are competitive and we will get this thing done. We have a standard and we need to meet that standard.”
Dennis “cliche” Allen
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
“Passing game co-ordinator”, lol
Can we get a “Punt return co-ordinator” or a “learn to sell the play-fake co-ordinator” or a “how to take a proper angle for a Safety co-ordinator”?
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Al Davis interviewed Payton off of being a passing game coordinator lmao and Saints hired him….didnt they win a title? Thanks…..Payton also was an OC
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“F” Jerry Jones… Talked him out of taking our HC position…
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
That first TD in that Denver game, pass to wide-open Miller, was a ZBS PA stretch play.
Soup sold the hell out of those fakes, got to give him credit for that.
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YEP….And in San Diego, Soup did a PA roll-out (On 4th down I believe) and he housed it himself. Faked out the camera man and all the analysts too. They were all focused on the scrum, and JC trotted into the endzone.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Yeah, now they’re talking about Reece on 3rd down, Woooooooohooooo, what geniuses we have.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
689.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
So, one final beatdown: Jacksons first year here, he was named Offensive Coordinator. But we had Tom Cable who had a ton of success running and designing offenses, Paul Hackett who had been successful in the NFL for over 20 years, and Ted Tollner whose title was passing game coordinator. Tollner also had 15 years of the success in the league. But yet some morons here want us to believe that Cable, Tollner and Hackett all somehow just took a back seat to the new whiz kid Hue Jackson even tho Jackson kept getting demoted. Man, that takes some bending of logic right there.
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where did tom cable have success before? His record as head coach at the university of idaho 11-35 and he became the first head coach to be fired by the school. then he became off. coordinator at UCLA from 2004-2005; their record while he was there was ok, they had maurice jones drew and went a combine 16-8 while he was there, pretty good. his first yr in the nfl he was the OL coach for the falcons, the head coach got fired that yr and he left. he joined the raiders staff in 2007 and lane kiffin got fired, he became head coach and finished with a 4-8 record. the next year he went 5-11. Where is this grand history of success before hue jackson got there?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Glenny….its just like watching a dope match in Ring of Honor when fans yell….”Please dont stop! Please dont stop!”
Glenny from all of us on the blog when it comes to talking about Cable and OL coaches running an offense…..PLEASE DONT STOP! lmao
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Another sign of absolute ignorance. Who is running the NYG O? An Oline coach. Who is running the Seattle O? An Oline coach. Who was running the Bears O? An Oline coach. Who ran the Saints playcalling last year? Oline coach. Who got Zona to the Super Bowl? Oline coach. Who is now running our O? An Oline coach. Who ran the Jets last year? Oline coach. Who is head coach in Tennesse right now? Oline coach. I am sure I am forgetting someone.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Somehow Sean Payton lighting up scoreboards as a passing game co-ordinator has a little more sizzle to it than Ted Tolner teaching Jamarcus how to throw a screen pass.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Hue should have been studying the art of when to go for a 2 point conversion (see, Lions game) instead of being seen out on the town cheesing it up.
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Exactly….fk Hue….after what he did to Derek Hagan for TJ and that BS he did to JC for Palmer pissed alot of guys off in locker….glad he got canned
February 14th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Somehow Sean Payton lighting up scoreboards as a passing game co-ordinator has a little more sizzle to it than Ted Tolner teaching Jamarcus how to throw a screen pass.
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Ya think?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
The example is the game in Denver 2010… Offense was running on all cylinders… Cableman even said that Hue called great plays…
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Tell Glenny……PLEASE DONT STOP!
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That’s what I said. Jackson was a playcaller.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Peymour Glenn will change alias’s as soon as the heat gets too hot in the kitchen.
Who is it today RaiderDuck or 666 ?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Soup had two of those camera fakes in that San Diego game.
The TD he ran in, and late in the game he completed a pass to Lou Murph, that I still don’t think anyone has any film on.
That was a Tom Cable specialty game right there. We had like close to 300 yards rushing.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Glenny….its just like watching a dope match in Ring of Honor when fans yell….”Please dont stop! Please dont stop!”
Glenny from all of us on the blog when it comes to talking about Cable and OL coaches running an offense…..PLEASE DONT STOP! lmao
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Another sign of absolute ignorance. Who is running the NYG O? An Oline coach. Who is running the Seattle O? An Oline coach. Who was running the Bears O? An Oline coach. Who ran the Saints playcalling last year? Oline coach. Who got Zona to the Super Bowl? Oline coach. Who is now running our O? An Oline coach. Who ran the Jets last year? Oline coach. Who is head coach in Tennesse right now? Oline coach. I am sure I am forgetting someone.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please dont stop……OL coach in Seattle is Cable and he doesnt run the O…..PLEASE DONT STOP!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Exactly….fk Hue….after what he did to Derek Hagan for TJ and that BS he did to JC for Palmer pissed alot of guys off in locker….glad he got canned
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Agree… See Jacoby Ford….
February 14th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
“We are working hard. We’re coming close. Its a process. We got guys who are competitive and we will get this thing done. We have a standard and we need to meet that standard.”
Dennis “cliche” Allen
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PUNCHING MY COMPUTER SCREEN……
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW
February 14th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Trade DVAG!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
That first TD in that Denver game, pass to wide-open Miller, was a ZBS PA stretch play.
Soup sold the hell out of those fakes, got to give him credit for that.
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YEP….And in San Diego, Soup did a PA roll-out (On 4th down I believe) and he housed it himself. Faked out the camera man and all the analysts too. They were all focused on the scrum, and JC trotted into the endzone.
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Yeah, but Carson Palmer threw for 4000 yards. Lol! like my man Mike Tomlin said: Stats are for losers!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Soup had two of those camera fakes in that San Diego game.
The TD he ran in, and late in the game he completed a pass to Lou Murph, that I still don’t think anyone has any film on.
That was a Tom Cable specialty game right there. We had like close to 300 yards rushing.
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Yeah, I especially liked watching DMAC knock the Fuc*in DAWG sh*t outta Weddle at the goaline; en’route to a TD………..FU*K WEDDLE
February 14th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
715.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Hue should have been studying the art of when to go for a 2 point conversion (see, Lions game) instead of being seen out on the town cheesing it up.
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Exactly….fk Hue….after what he did to Derek Hagan for TJ and that BS he did to JC for Palmer pissed alot of guys off in locker….glad he got canned
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or when TJ came on he basically benched dhb for two games so Tj could get reps, probably costing him a 1,000 yd season.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please dont stop……OL coach in Seattle is Cable and he doesnt run the O…..PLEASE DONT STOP!
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He Does Run the O! Please, go down the 7/11 and get another big gulp. Take a breath and come back.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Soup had two of those camera fakes in that San Diego game.
The TD he ran in, and late in the game he completed a pass to Lou Murph, that I still don’t think anyone has any film on.
That was a Tom Cable specialty game right there. We had like close to 300 yards rushing.
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Yeah beating SD before 2010 was Cable special…as well as TDs lmao
February 14th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
On the curent blog post there’s a big assumption that isn’t considered here:
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
Considering how expensive he is, does it make sense to eat the cap damage and rejigger the blocking again around one guy that hasn’t proven he can play double digit games in a season on a consistent basis?
Olsen may be saying all the right things now based on the current situation, but nothing about this implies that they aren’t also considering the ramifications of cutting DMac and freeing the cap hit for the next two years.
Remember, he’s a $7.5M cap hit to cut this year in exchange for saving $9.5M over the next two years. Or, more likely they could cut or trade him after June 1 and make a it a $3.8M cap hit over the next two years. In a trade scenario he might be worth his < $6M cost to the right team for two years. I could see someone like the Cowboys or Patriots will to spend for that (and would happily take Ridley back in a trade to the latter!)
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
727.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please dont stop……OL coach in Seattle is Cable and he doesnt run the O…..PLEASE DONT STOP!
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He Does Run the O! Please, go down the 7/11 and get another big gulp. Take a breath and come back.
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i guess he just has bevell on an earpiece telling him what to say when BEVELL is doing his mid week interviews that all OCs do. or maybe he writes up flash cards for him. i don’t knowwhat kind of technology they got up in seattle.
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offensive COORDINATOR
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I’m going to continue making the case for TP to start in 2013.
I’m going to pizz off all the people who insist that the RAIDS will go 0-16 with TP at the helm. (truth is we nearly went 0-16 with CP)
I’m going to upset people by telling you that if DMAC plays the way he’s capable of playing – the RAIDS can LEAD THE NFL IN RUSHING with TP AT THE HELM – and have an exciting offense that will PUT UP POINTS, even if TP isn’t the thrower that we’d like him to be.
That’s right people, TP’s added dimension of gaining yards with his legs, coupled with a return to power blocking and playing to DMAC’S strengths will allow the RAIDS to once again be one of the best rushing teams in the NFL.
That’s how you turn this offense around.
RAIDERMAN99 on record telling all the non-believers that the RAIDS win MORE games with TP throwing for 2500 yards instead of CP throwing for 4k.
Book that.
IT’S TP TIME !
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA please dont stop……OL coach in Seattle is Cable and he doesnt run the O…..PLEASE DONT STOP!
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He Does Run the O! Please, go down the 7/11 and get another big gulp. Take a breath and come back.
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So Cable runs the offense….what does Darrell Bevell do then?
Hey guys can you imagine the Qb meetings when they dissect Cable’s gameplan vs SF?
I wonder what tweaks to the offensive scheme Cable has for 2013….bet he will call some great plays lmao
Glenny….PLEASE DONT STOP!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Weaksauceman where once again, you get confused is just because a guy is calling plays does not mean that guy is running the show, or designed the offense. Some guys like Payton, or Jason Garret call the plays and design the offense. Even tho Carmichael and Bill Callahan are listed as their offensive coordinators. Some guys like Jim Harbaugh and Tom Cable design the offense but want to be down on the field close to the players so they let others play call. Don’t worry, if you start at the pee wee level you can work your way up to high school football knowledge in about five years or so.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
It is easy to say this now but it seems like a no brainer
When JC went down, Hue should have let Boller take his lumps and look into running the ball more, maybe trading for a RB. Let boller throw short dumpoffs
And then do something about his weak arse Defence. If he had done that instead of swinging for the fence he may have coached last year
February 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Should have never got rid of Gradkowski, would have never traded for Palmer, and probably would have went better than 4-5 down the stretch of 2011.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
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I liked JC so have no issue with him except the deep ball
Hue needed to go….he did way too much out here without actually doing schit….then stepped on owner’s toes end of season but before that the roster moves he made got his ass fired…..glad he is gone
February 14th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
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No. Based on everything he has done before? no.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Should have never got rid of Gradkowski, would have never traded for Palmer, and probably would have went better than 4-5 down the stretch of 2011.
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Please….I hate Palmer but know Grad isnt even a qb lmao….never won back to back games in his career….we go 2-7 down stretch with that bum
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Soup had two of those camera fakes in that San Diego game.
The TD he ran in, and late in the game he completed a pass to Lou Murph, that I still don’t think anyone has any film on.
That was a Tom Cable specialty game right there. We had like close to 300 yards rushing.
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Wow! This coming from the guy that said Hue was a “great” OC here. Can’t he get any love for this game??
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Soup and his deep ball………
Man, that thing would come out looking nice, perfect spiral, into single coverage……..and ALWAYS tailed OOB.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
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No. Based on everything he has done before? no.
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You just want Justin Farglass and his no playmaking 1-2 TDs a season type skills to comeback right?
February 14th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Should have never got rid of Gradkowski, would have never traded for Palmer, and probably would have went better than 4-5 down the stretch of 2011.
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Please….I hate Palmer but know Grad isnt even a qb lmao….never won back to back games in his career….we go 2-7 down stretch with that bum
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Considering that Bruise lost every game he started the previous season, I highly doubt that.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Can’t he get any love for this game??
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I think Hue’s greater addition to us was games that we put up more points and were more dynamic.
That San Diego game was just a butt-whipping, the proverbial punch in the jaw.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
Passing yardage notwithstanding
February 14th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Should have never got rid of Gradkowski, would have never traded for Palmer, and probably would have went better than 4-5 down the stretch of 2011.
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Please….I hate Palmer but know Grad isnt even a qb lmao….never won back to back games in his career….we go 2-7 down stretch with that bum
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Considering that Bruise lost every game he started the previous season, I highly doubt that.
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Naw that year in 2011 with Bruce down that 9 game stretch we beat maybe minny and kc….thats it
February 14th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
He came back and won the St. Louis game, lost by 2 points in AZ, and a TD to Houston.
The Miami game was a fiasco, but the St. Louis, AZ and Houston games were all good enough QB performances to win some games in 2011.
Besides, players played hard for him, as well as Soup.
Dudes just look to be loafing around with Palmer at the helm.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
Passing yardage notwithstanding
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Easy there Kell….no need to go buck wild on us mayne….JC was cool and he was always cool to me when I ran into him
Hue was a damn fool and dug his own grave
February 14th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I’m going to continue making the case for TP to start in 2013.
I’m going to pizz off all the people who insist that the RAIDS will go 0-16 with TP at the helm. (truth is we nearly went 0-16 with CP)
I’m going to upset people by telling you that if DMAC plays the way he’s capable of playing – the RAIDS can LEAD THE NFL IN RUSHING with TP AT THE HELM – and have an exciting offense that will PUT UP POINTS, even if TP isn’t the thrower that we’d like him to be.
That’s right people, TP’s added dimension of gaining yards with his legs, coupled with a return to power blocking and playing to DMAC’S strengths will allow the RAIDS to once again be one of the best rushing teams in the NFL.
That’s how you turn this offense around.
RAIDERMAN99 on record telling all the non-believers that the RAIDS win MORE games with TP throwing for 2500 yards instead of CP throwing for 4k.
Book that.
IT’S TP TIME !
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Why not just skip the middle man and have DMac play QB? If all you want your QB to do is run when the RB is not, might as well have the most qualified guy running the ball all the time. DMac takes the snap and runs. You get one extra blocker that way too.
Or you could look at the reality that says if you don’t have a legit passing attack, your running game won’t succeed. Whether or not you have a QB that runs, if they can’t also consistently beat you with passes, it’s a moot point.
On the note, DMac has demonstrated an arm just as good as Pryor’s from the few throws I’ve seen. He’s clearly smarter so should be as good if not better at decision making.
I mean seriously, if you want a RB type playing QB, then put a RB under center. If you want a QB that can also run, that means that they need NFL passing skills first and foremost. That precludes Pryor from the list.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I don’t think I will ever get tired of seeing the buttfumble
February 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
DMAC 2010 highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMybhZZ3gLg
lineman pulling usually means power…a lot of that going on PBS for sure 2010.
on another note..can we get the DMAC back? god damn this guy was good!!
February 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Kell just chill out..its a big night for you and your wifey, no?
My broad is a Jehovah’s Witness so I dodged a bullet
But you on other hand should be getting ready….hope you got that chocolates on deck along with Lou Rawls greatest hits to get her in the mood like back in the day
Come on Kell sing it
“Youuuuuullllllll never finnnnnnnnnndddddddd”
February 14th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
He came back and won the St. Louis game, lost by 2 points in AZ, and a TD to Houston.
The Miami game was a fiasco, but the St. Louis, AZ and Houston games were all good enough QB performances to win some games in 2011.
Besides, players played hard for him, as well as Soup.
Dudes just look to be loafing around with Palmer at the helm.
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He fked up way too much in the Houston game, so you can scratch that one. I’ll give you the AZ game though. To me, that’s the best game he ever played as a Raider. Too bad he came unglued down by the goal line at the end though.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
I don’t think I will ever get tired of seeing the buttfumble
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Best play ever and to happen to a NY team is even better
February 14th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
There is definitely still some ZBS in there though i’ll admit..mostly power str8 downhill thought
February 14th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Vegas….yeah Palmer aint no leader….he always has that dumb look on his face prolly wondering about the DOW or something rich fks like him do
February 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
During one stretch there SD beat us 14 games straight and dungver and KC were not far behind,,,,
and then the pimp hand came to town, say whatever you want but he gave us something to be proud about again after almost a decade of futility
February 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
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Brien I don’t really care about your run ins with them or what if’s. Win loss wise, they’re the best we’ve had in 11 years.
February 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Debo Ur a fcking idiot and Ur boy Tomlin is one more losing season away from getting the axe bank it
February 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
I’m going to continue making the case for TP to start in 2013.
I’m going to pizz off all the people who insist that the RAIDS will go 0-16 with TP at the helm. (truth is we nearly went 0-16 with CP)
I’m going to upset people by telling you that if DMAC plays the way he’s capable of playing – the RAIDS can LEAD THE NFL IN RUSHING with TP AT THE HELM – and have an exciting offense that will PUT UP POINTS, even if TP isn’t the thrower that we’d like him to be.
That’s right people, TP’s added dimension of gaining yards with his legs, coupled with a return to power blocking and playing to DMAC’S strengths will allow the RAIDS to once again be one of the best rushing teams in the NFL.
That’s how you turn this offense around.
RAIDERMAN99 on record telling all the non-believers that the RAIDS win MORE games with TP throwing for 2500 yards instead of CP throwing for 4k.
Book that.
IT’S TP TIME !
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Wow….old man…I dont know what to say….would be nice but we know CP couldnt lead ants to a picnic let alone the playoffs
February 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Zymurge Says:
On the curent blog post there’s a big assumption that isn’t considered here:
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
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Raiders will want to trade Darren McFadden, but will not and here is why
By James Arcellana on Feb 14, 5:00a
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/14/3981318/oakland-raiders-will-want-to-trade-darren-mcfadden-but-will-not-and
February 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
CP is probably thinking about shopping for an expensive suit at Neiman Marcus
February 14th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Sparano Asst head coach/O-line coach. Asst Head coach trumps OC. dosn’t it?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Yeah fk Hue, fk JC. It’s just that win loss wise, they were the best we’ve had in the last 11 years.
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Brien I don’t really care about your run ins with them or what if’s. Win loss wise, they’re the best we’ve had in 11 years.
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I do agree with that notion but JC didnt fall flat on his face like Hue did…..and you link the two…Hue screwed over JC bad….did you forget that one?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
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No. Based on everything he has done before? no.
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You just want Justin Farglass and his no playmaking 1-2 TDs a season type skills to comeback right?
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Cable benched McFadden. The sooner McFadden is gone the sooner this team starts winning.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
During one stretch there SD beat us 14 games straight and dungver and KC were not far behind,,,,
and then the pimp hand came to town, say whatever you want but he gave us something to be proud about again after almost a decade of futility
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Had he had JC start all 16 games in 2010 he would still prolly been head coach here
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
ian85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Debo Ur a fcking idiot and Ur boy Tomlin is one more losing season away from getting the axe bank it
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You’re the biggest dmsht in the history of the blog! The Steelers have had like three coaches in the last 25 yrs, maybe longer. Tomlin has been to the Super Bowl twice and and won one of them. And you’re dense enough to think dude is on the hot seat???? If it doesn’t hurt your head too much, think about this for a little while and then respond. I’ll be waiting.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Is it worth DMac’s contract to keep him this year?
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No. Based on everything he has done before? no.
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You just want Justin Farglass and his no playmaking 1-2 TDs a season type skills to comeback right?
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Cable benched McFadden. The sooner McFadden is gone the sooner this team starts winning.
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He did? What did he do to Justin Farglass’ playing time in 2010?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Debo lol
February 14th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Hey purv I saw your trail pic with Llamas. That’s pretty cool. I use to raise Pheasant and quail and bird dogs so expensive suit wearing chumps could shoot something on weekends off in Vegas
One summer I wrangled for a hunting camp in Northern BC by the stikine river. The entire summer was like winter for me. Cold, wet miserable, rarely saw the sun but saw the aureou borealis, met some cool indian uides, had two HUGE grizzlies charge us, saw glaciers, flew in otters and beavers landing on lakes and rivers.
Great fun, saw some amazing things. One of the worse parts? Waking up and trying to remove frozen hobbles from a unhappy horse, then saddling up and chasing down the horses who were not too happy about it
February 14th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Glenny…..talk more about Cable running the O in Seattle…..enlighten us
February 14th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Debo lol
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Maybe he’s just joking around. Can’t believe anyone is that stupid.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Besides, players played hard for him, as well as Soup.
Dudes just look to be loafing around with Palmer at the helm.
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I guess if you keepsaying it long enough, I’ll believe it. Kind of like “Campbell doesn’t play well looking over his shoulder at the Bruce”.
Wait, I never believed that one either, ‘cuz it also wasn’t true.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Plunkett….thanks for shoutout earlier….i didnt mean to not get at ya…I was busy laughing at Glenny tell us about Cable’s success at running offenses
February 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Had he had JC start all 16 games in 2010 he would still prolly been head coach here
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yeah Tom has his faults but I think he works hard and does an above average job. I would have loved to seen TC and HJ work together one more year.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Guys,
The NFL is littered with fantastic OCs that failed miserably as the HC. Hue Jack was a pretty good OC imho. But he was a lousy HC. TC was a good HC but lousy OC. Norv Turner is one of the best ever at the OC but we know he stinks as a HC. Callahan is a highly respected OL coach but his players hated him as a HC.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Debo lol
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Maybe he’s just joking around. Can’t believe anyone is that stupid.
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Guess you never read MR’s posts or read Glenny talk about Cable running successful O’s
February 14th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
assistant head coach doesn’t mean much.
Josh McDaniels is the OC in New England he designs off. and calls the plays. the also have an “asst. head coach/OL coach” his name is dante scarneccia, ever heard of him? i didn’t think so
Ravens have an assistant head coach/ST corrdinator – Jerry Rosburg
Bengals have OC Jay Gruden he calls and designs offensive plays, they also have an “asst. head coach/OL coach” paul alexander
Steelers have Dick Lebaeu, designs and runs defense, they also have an “asst. head coach/DL coach” named john mitchell. u think he is designing the steelers defense, or is it lebaeu who has been there forever.
i can keep going. a lot of teams have assitant head coaches. it doesnt mea they are running things either on the offensive or sdefensive side, its probably more of the guys who keep the team in line so they aren’t doing stupid sh!t or messing around at practicebecause the coach can’t be everywhere at practice.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Its good B
stay safe
February 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
AIG…..Cable wasnt a lousy OC…didnt you read Glenny’s posts?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Plunketthead,That’s pretty cool. Black bears make me nervous enough. Sorry Grizzlies got hunted to extinction here, but just as soon not see them reintroduced in my lifetime. Fortunately, bears don’t seem to want anything to do with llamas.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Debo lol
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Maybe he’s just joking around. Can’t believe anyone is that stupid.
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Guess you never read MR’s posts or read Glenny talk about Cable running successful O’s
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Oh yeah, I flowwed the ass kicking you gave Bush on that subject today. That dude is clueless too.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Had he had JC start all 16 games in 2010 he would still prolly been head coach here
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Nope Al Davis was too cheap to fire TC when he hired Hue Jack. Typical AD move to be so short sighted and just keep people around even when he should just cut them. He always try to force people to quit so he wouldnt pay them but it ends up hurting his team most. Even if we went to the playoff that year, TC was gone. Remember he started withholding TC’s paycheck during the season already.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Its good B
stay safe
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I am a more safer guy these days….those wild nights of the B@uce or few a far in between….only outta town will I go for it….just chill these days….wishing for my Oakland teams to rise to champs again….tall orders
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Glenny…..talk more about Cable running the O in Seattle…..enlighten us
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I keep telling ya: don’t ask me. Ask Russell Wilson. You want his number?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
B,
Cable is a no good OC but Cable commanded respect from his players. Being able to command and motivate your players is the first priority of a HC. that is prob why Tim Brown said Trestman will never make a good HC. There are a gazillion fantastic coordinators that flunked as the HC.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Had he had JC start all 16 games in 2010 he would still prolly been head coach here
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Nope Al Davis was too cheap to fire TC when he hired Hue Jack. Typical AD move to be so short sighted and just keep people around even when he should just cut them. He always try to force people to quit so he wouldnt pay them but it ends up hurting his team most. Even if we went to the playoff that year, TC was gone. Remember he started withholding TC’s paycheck during the season already.
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Hey you dont bring hookers on road trips when playoffs are still in sight
February 14th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Oh yeah, I flowwed the ass kicking you gave Bush on that subject today. That dude is clueless too.
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When I am on the opposite side of you blog ignoramus’s it is all good.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Had he had JC start all 16 games in 2010 he would still prolly been head coach here
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Nope Al Davis was too cheap to fire TC when he hired Hue Jack. Typical AD move to be so short sighted and just keep people around even when he should just cut them. He always try to force people to quit so he wouldnt pay them but it ends up hurting his team most. Even if we went to the playoff that year, TC was gone. Remember he started withholding TC’s paycheck during the season already.
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I’ve been saying this all along. Hue Jackson was 16-16 as a HC for the Raiders. Cable was a Raiderette in 2010.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Glenny…..talk more about Cable running the O in Seattle…..enlighten us
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I keep telling ya: don’t ask me. Ask Russell Wilson. You want his number?
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Naw….now if you can get me his sister’s number then we have a deal
So Darrel Bevell didnt run offense in Seattle?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
B,
I doubt hookers mattered. Face it, we dont have a good roster. A bunch of band aid stuff over the last 10 years but none of our CORE guys ever went to another team and became a huge contributor to their teams. Bush was highly regarded here but sucked in Chicago. Even our best players #21 sucked in Philly.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Oh yeah, I flowwed the ass kicking you gave Bush on that subject today. That dude is clueless too.
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When I am on the opposite side of you blog ignoramus’s it is all good.
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All good for you to be on the opposite side of truth? Wow
February 14th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
B,
I doubt hookers mattered. Face it, we dont have a good roster. A bunch of band aid stuff over the last 10 years but none of our CORE guys ever went to another team and became a huge contributor to their teams. Bush was highly regarded here but sucked in Chicago. Even our best players #21 sucked in Philly.
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Al said it when he had presser for Hue…it evidently did
February 14th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
B,
Cable is a no good OC but Cable commanded respect from his players. Being able to command and motivate your players is the first priority of a HC. that is prob why Tim Brown said Trestman will never make a good HC. There are a gazillion fantastic coordinators that flunked as the HC.
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Doesn’t mean a good OC can’t make a good HC. Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton come to mind. Hue commanded respect from his players too. Lots of comments about how practices changed once Hue came to town. He picked up the pace and got the player’s competitive juices flowing. And he was the brain of the operation. Big loss.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Purv
I would be more worried about the large Canadian wolves they are releasing.
You don’t have any timber wolves there?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Guys,
The NFL is littered with fantastic OCs that failed miserably as the HC. Hue Jack was a pretty good OC imho. But he was a lousy HC. TC was a good HC but lousy OC. Norv Turner is one of the best ever at the OC but we know he stinks as a HC. Callahan is a highly respected OL coach but his players hated him as a HC.
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And Tits Allen was a mediocre DC who is a stinker of a HC.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Anyhow….im out…gettin ready for Batman vs Superman aka Durant vs Lebron….and then 2nd game is Lob City vs the Drama that is the Lakers
Good day yall
Glenny….PLEASE DONT STOP!
Code Black 2013
February 14th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
And he was the brain of the operation. Big loss.
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debo, Hue finished 8-8, exactly the same record as the year before so we know he didnt improve. TC had Grad/JC. Hue had JC/Palmer. Hue didnt have the dramas that AD and TC created either. Hue will never make a good HC, just my opinion. Players will smell him out over time as he threw people under the bus after the season. Hue even backtracked on the Palmer trade by laying the blame on other people. Guys like that will get exposed by grown men over time.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
And Tits Allen was a mediocre DC who is a stinker of a HC.
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Raiderman, I hope we are both wrong but I just have a hard time thinking DA is a motivating type of person.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
What dont you get about a Cb not being schit without a pass rush?
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Who says I don’t get that?
Are you saying we don’t need corners?
You ok with Adams and Chekwa starting week 1?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
And he was the brain of the operation. Big loss.
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debo, Hue finished 8-8, exactly the same record as the year before so we know he didnt improve. TC had Grad/JC. Hue had JC/Palmer. Hue didnt have the dramas that AD and TC created either. Hue will never make a good HC, just my opinion. Players will smell him out over time as he threw people under the bus after the season. Hue even backtracked on the Palmer trade by laying the blame on other people. Guys like that will get exposed by grown men over time.
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You said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010. That was Hue’s team as far as I’m concerned. And Cable’s accountability was mocked by Al for bring “friends” on road trips. He beat up an assistant coach and his girlfirends. And at the end of the 2009 season, he said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR. How’s that for thrwowing players under the bus?? Hue is 10X the coach that Cable is.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
So Darrel Bevell didnt run offense in Seattle?
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Now we’ve gone from designing an offense to running an offense. Keep dancing, Bri…
February 14th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
And Tits Allen was a mediocre DC who is a stinker of a HC.
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Raiderman, I hope we are both wrong but I just have a hard time thinking DA is a motivating type of person.
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DA = Cub Scout Leader…
February 14th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/eagles-sign-qb-dennis-dixon-223024183–nfl.html
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Wow, I didn’t know they actually signed Dixon. I guess it’s bye bye for Foles. I wonder if he ends up in KC?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Plunketthead Says:
You don’t have any timber wolves there?
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Maybe one or two, literally. also hunted to extinction.
I should be worried about mountain lions, but for some reason I’m not. And I’ve seen their tracks in the morning that weren’t there the night before.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Hue is 10X the coach that Cable is.
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Sure. That’s why Cable has a solid gig at basically the same level he left here, and Jackson couldn’t get a sniff.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010.
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Dont twist my words DEbo. TC was a lame duck to Al Davis but TC WAS THE HC OF THE RAIDERS IN THAT YEAR. He even went public and said he was the one responsible for making the roster calls weekly. Al Davis was in charge of firing and hiring players. Hue Jack was in charge of playcalling but make no mistake about it TC was the HC of the Raiders including the starting lineup each week.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
He beat up an assistant coach and his girlfirends.
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Wow. How much time did he serve? Community service? Fines?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
And at the end of the 2009 season, he said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR. How’s that for thrwowing players under the bus?
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Debo, I think you and prob one other guy on here that shed a tear for JR’s dismissal.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
He beat up an assistant coach and his girlfirends.
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Yeah, if Ray Lewis played for the Raiders, I doubt you’ll be talking about 2 murdered men. Just a hunch.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
Sure. That’s why Cable has a solid gig at basically the same level he left here, and Jackson couldn’t get a sniff.
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C’mon. Hue got a gig as a..a..a,oh yeah,assistant gunner motivator for special teams. Or something.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
aig-raiders Says:
Debo, I think you and prob one other guy on here that shed a tear for JR’s dismissal.
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If there is anyone else, Debo’s cross posting.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
bush
this is easy math
09 cable’s offense (pre hue) 12.3 per game 31st in the nfl
2010 jacksons offense ( hue was hired to be o coordinator) 25.6 per game 6th in the nfl
LOL
stop making stuff up
February 14th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
And at the end of the 2009 season, he said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR. How’s that for thrwowing players under the bus?
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Debo, I think you and prob one other guy on here that shed a tear for JR’s dismissal.
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Point is he threw players under the bus just like you said Hue did. At the end of the day, that’s not showing accountability. What about the job he did as a head coach? What about the distractions he brought to the team with the assaults of Randy Hanson and his girlfriends? Not very head-coach like.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010. That was Hue’s team as far as I’m concerned. And Cable’s accountability was mocked by Al for bring “friends” on road trips. He beat up an assistant coach and his girlfirends. And at the end of the 2009 season, he said they would have made the playoffs if it weren’t for JR. How’s that for thrwowing players under the bus?? Hue is 10X the coach that Cable is.
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yes but hue got a pedicure so its all even
February 14th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Seymour is correct. Hue = 10x the coach Cable is.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
aig-raiders Says:
Debo, I think you and prob one other guy on here that shed a tear for JR’s dismissal.
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If there is anyone else, Debo’s cross posting.
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Nope, I’ll stay on that island myself. It’ll make it all the more sweet when JR makes his triumphant return.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
806.Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Hue is 10X the coach that Cable is.
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Sure. That’s why Cable has a solid gig at basically the same level he left here, and Jackson couldn’t get a sniff.
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Hue’s a better play caller, but i think Cable was a better HC. Both however are far more qualified than DA
February 14th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Hue’s is the new Bungals Rb acrylic nail consulting coach…
February 14th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Point is he threw players under the bus just like you said Hue did.
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No Debo. Making a factual statement is nothing about throwing people under the bus. Trying to deflect blame somewhere else when you know that aint true is throwing people under the bus. Jawalrus was not sober playing for us. He was a fat a$$ 300+ lbs qb that never bothered to work on his trade. 2011 season is 100% Hue Jack. There is nobody else to blame but himself.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
I guess if you keepsaying it long enough, I’ll believe it. Kind of like “Campbell doesn’t play well looking over his shoulder at the Bruce”.
Wait, I never believed that one either, ‘cuz it also wasn’t true.
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As the saying goes, sometimes perception is the only reality.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010.
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Dont twist my words DEbo. TC was a lame duck to Al Davis but TC WAS THE HC OF THE RAIDERS IN THAT YEAR. He even went public and said he was the one responsible for making the roster calls weekly. Al Davis was in charge of firing and hiring players. Hue Jack was in charge of playcalling but make no mistake about it TC was the HC of the Raiders including the starting lineup each week.
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C’mon, if Cable was a lame duck to Al, he was a lame duck to the players. Al hired Hue to run the offense without even consulting Cable. Put yourself in the players shoes. Could you really respect the “coach” in that situation? Hue was handpicked by The Man. It was Hue’s team. End of story.
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
One was a good play caller… Other was a great motivator… Both didnt get it done… Who knows if we kept them together for the following year minus Bresnahan what would have happened…
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
bush
this is easy math
09 cable’s offense (pre hue) 12.3 per game 31st in the nfl
2010 jacksons offense ( hue was hired to be o coordinator) 25.6 per game 6th in the nfl
LOL
stop making stuff up
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Two words about those stats: Jamarcus Russell
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
You guys hear that one about Chuby Checker and his pen!s?
Really…all jokes aside!!
February 14th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
bush you are really struggling today
cable does not and did not design any offense in seattle
darrel bevel is the man in seattle
wow!!!
February 14th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Ok fellas have a good evening… Prayers for Dr. Buss…
February 14th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
BTW, Cable is oline and asst head coach in Seattle. Hue is RBs and “special asst to the head coach” in cincy. Both are position coaches with honorary titles because of their experience and the fact they probably have more input on the overall team than just their roles as position coaches. I’m assuming that’s the case with Cable. We know that Hue is, in reality, much more involved than simply as a position coach because Marvin Lewis has said so on multiple occasions. Regardless, I fail to see how Cable’s role in Seattle is any more esteemed than Hue’s in Cincy.-
February 14th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010.
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Dont twist my words DEbo. TC was a lame duck to Al Davis but TC WAS THE HC OF THE RAIDERS IN THAT YEAR. He even went public and said he was the one responsible for making the roster calls weekly. Al Davis was in charge of firing and hiring players. Hue Jack was in charge of playcalling but make no mistake about it TC was the HC of the Raiders including the starting lineup each week.
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C’mon, if Cable was a lame duck to Al, he was a lame duck to the players. Al hired Hue to run the offense without even consulting Cable. Put yourself in the players shoes. Could you really respect the “coach” in that situation? Hue was handpicked by The Man. It was Hue’s team. End of story.
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Don’t be stupid. As I said earlier you had Ted Tollner, Tom Cable and Paul Hackett (Tollner and Hackett) who were handpicked by Davis to assist with the offense. Those guys had much more experience and much more success than Jackson ever had. Or has had since. Yet Jackson is some saviour? Who can’t get a gig?
February 14th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Soup and his deep ball………
Man, that thing would come out looking nice, perfect spiral, into single coverage……..and ALWAYS tailed OOB.
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you must have missed the buffalo game
you must have missed the deep throw off one foot out side of the pocket to ford that beat the queefs
you people cant help but lie can you
February 14th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Jackson was a good playcaller, you have to admit that much. Cable had the respect of the team, but he also did some really dummass decisions as a HC, like playing Veldheer at Center, spliting time with Veld and Henderson, the Bruce/Campbell switching.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
bush you are really struggling today
cable does not and did not design any offense in seattle
darrel bevel is the man in seattle
wow!!!
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Both were brought in at the same time. One has a head coach designation. I keep saying, ask the players don’t ask me. Nothing against Bevell. Bevell is a very good coordinator and a good playcaller.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Jackson was a good playcaller, you have to admit that much. Cable had the respect of the team, but he also did some really dummass decisions as a HC, like playing Veldheer at Center, spliting time with Veld and Henderson, the Bruce/Campbell switching.
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Jackson wasn’t a good playcaller, and here’s why. If you go back to some of the games he won one of the reasons he won early was because of trick special teams calls. Once teams caught up to him, that went out the window and so did his record. He also had dismal results in second halves of games which is a sure fire sign that he was being out coached.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
You said yourself that Cable was a lame duck in 2010.
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Dont twist my words DEbo. TC was a lame duck to Al Davis but TC WAS THE HC OF THE RAIDERS IN THAT YEAR. He even went public and said he was the one responsible for making the roster calls weekly. Al Davis was in charge of firing and hiring players. Hue Jack was in charge of playcalling but make no mistake about it TC was the HC of the Raiders including the starting lineup each week.
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C’mon, if Cable was a lame duck to Al, he was a lame duck to the players. Al hired Hue to run the offense without even consulting Cable. Put yourself in the players shoes. Could you really respect the “coach” in that situation? Hue was handpicked by The Man. It was Hue’s team. End of story.
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Don’t be stupid. As I said earlier you had Ted Tollner, Tom Cable and Paul Hackett (Tollner and Hackett) who were handpicked by Davis to assist with the offense. Those guys had much more experience and much more success than Jackson ever had. Or has had since. Yet Jackson is some saviour? Who can’t get a gig?
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WTF are you talking about? Al went out and got Hue because your little trio was so inept! Why else would Al had brought him in?? Both hung around for a year making coffee and bringing in doughnuts, but they were shown the door just like Cable. And since you’re so up on where our former coaches are these days, where the hell are Buddy Whackitt and Tollner anyway???
February 14th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
833. Can’t really argue with a #10th ranked offense in 2010. I also only remember us scoring off of one trick play on ST. He was a creative play caller, you’re either denying it out of some personal reasons or you just didn’t watch the games.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Can’t really argue with a #10th ranked offense in 2010.
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Elite O-line
February 14th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
836.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Can’t really argue with a #10th ranked offense in 2010.
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Elite O-line
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Did you mean “Delete” O-Line?
February 14th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
lol
Carson must go tonight!!!
30 picks in 24 games!!!!!
carson has only logged 5 of 24 games without a turn over
how is that worth 17 mil?
February 14th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
2010 we had a QB who would go on to start about 5 more games in his NFL career, a bunch of WR’s that aren’t worth an ear of corn, and a stud O-line and RB.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Hue with all of his screens, misdirection runs and PA were good play calling for our weak O-line. It gave our linemen an edge for when they did have to drop back and protect straight up.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Never heard of a team being #3 in the NFL in rushing, top 5 in YPC and rushing TD’s, and the O-line gets ZERO credit.
But hey, knock yourself out……
February 14th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
And as far as special teams goes, I remember Hue scoring a TD on a fake FG, and almost scoring another one but delay of game waived it off.
Cable all i remember is an under the leg pitch from Shane to Seabass on 4th and long.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
And what, misdirection and screens don’t require quality blocking still?
Can they just run the play, and bot block anybody and it still work?
February 14th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
841.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Never heard of a team being #3 in the NFL in rushing, top 5 in YPC and rushing TD’s, and the O-line gets ZERO credit.
But hey, knock yourself out……
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They get zero credit because of their pass blocking. The best way to help a weak oline is to run the ball
February 14th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Can’t he get any love for this game??
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I think Hue’s greater addition to us was games that we put up more points and were more dynamic.
That San Diego game was just a butt-whipping, the proverbial punch in the jaw.
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I agree it felt like we got punched in the jaw but we were only down 5 late in the 4th…it really wasn’t a butt whoopin. Although our defense got butt whooped so I guess you’re right after all.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
WTF are you talking about? Al went out and got Hue because your little trio was so inept! Why else would Al had brought him in?? Both hung around for a year making coffee and bringing in doughnuts, but they were shown the door just like Cable. And since you’re so up on where our former coaches are these days, where the hell are Buddy Whackitt and Tollner anyway???
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I can tell you exactly where they are: enjoying retirement. Because of your personal Hero Jamarcus Russell the Coach Killer.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
That Oline in 2010 was ballin. They demolished Den and SD that year.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Never heard of a team being #3 in the NFL in rushing, top 5 in YPC and rushing TD’s, and the O-line gets ZERO credit.
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Yeah, or the OC!
February 14th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Don’t be stupid. As I said earlier you had Ted Tollner, Tom Cable and Paul Hackett (Tollner and Hackett) who were handpicked by Davis to assist with the offense. Those guys had much more experience and much more success than Jackson ever had. Or has had since. Yet Jackson is some saviour? Who can’t get a gig?
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WTF are you talking about? Al went out and got Hue because your little trio was so inept! Why else would Al had brought him in?? Both hung around for a year making coffee and bringing in doughnuts, but they were shown the door just like Cable. And since you’re so up on where our former coaches are these days, where the hell are Buddy Whackitt and Tollner anyway???
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Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
Yeah, “Buddy Whackitt,” the guy that Joe Montanta thanked for his development at his HOF speech…
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
843.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
And what, misdirection and screens don’t require quality blocking still?
Can they just run the play, and bot block anybody and it still work?
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The screens allowed the oline to do what they do best, let guys blow by them
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Yeah, or the OC!
849.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Don’t be stupid. As I said earlier you had Ted Tollner, Tom Cable and Paul Hackett (Tollner and Hackett) who were handpicked by Davis to assist with the offense. Those guys had much more experience and much more success than Jackson ever had. Or has had since. Yet Jackson is some saviour? Who can’t get a gig?
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WTF are you talking about? Al went out and got Hue because your little trio was so inept! Why else would Al had brought him in?? Both hung around for a year making coffee and bringing in doughnuts, but they were shown the door just like Cable. And since you’re so up on where our former coaches are these days, where the hell are Buddy Whackitt and Tollner anyway???
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Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
Yeah, “Buddy Whackitt,” the guy that Joe Montanta thanked for his development at his HOF speech…
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Yet he sucked ass here. Don’t give a damn what Montana said. That was a terrible hire by the Raiders.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
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That was actually Cable.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
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That was actually Cable.
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The best 3 games in the past 10 yrs. Win in Pitt. Almost scored 60 in Den. Punched the crap out of Rivers and co in SD in 2010.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
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That was actually Cable.
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An incompetent coach scapegoating a player. Thank God Al didn’t let him get away with it.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Yet he sucked ass here. Don’t give a damn what Montana said. That was a terrible hire by the Raiders.
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For the MILLIONTH TIME, we could either listen to NFL Hall of Famers giving their induction speeches, or we could listen to some of you morons here on this blog. Which should we choose?
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I used to think that all the division in here was becuz we just went 4-12 and everybody’s in a bad mood, but now i’m starting to think that even if we’d won the SB we’d all be arguing about who should get the credit.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Soup and his deep ball………
Man, that thing would come out looking nice, perfect spiral, into single coverage……..and ALWAYS tailed OOB.
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you must have missed the buffalo game
you must have missed the deep throw off one foot out side of the pocket to ford that beat the queefs
you people cant help but lie can you
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Yeah JC is awesome. So good he’s currently a backup and made a joke of himself in the two games he was able to play in last year.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
853.aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
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That was actually Cable.
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The best 3 games in the past 10 yrs. Win in Pitt. Almost scored 60 in Den. Punched the crap out of Rivers and co in SD in 2010.
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Yeah those were good. But we don’t score 59 without Hue. Cable was terrible at calling the offense.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Yet he sucked ass here. Don’t give a damn what Montana said. That was a terrible hire by the Raiders.
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For the MILLIONTH TIME, we could either listen to NFL Hall of Famers giving their induction speeches, or we could listen to some of you morons here on this blog. Which should we choose?
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I choose my hown opinion that Whackitt sucked ass here.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
853.aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Thank God for Hue, the first thing he did was end the Jamarcus Russell experiment!
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That was actually Cable.
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The best 3 games in the past 10 yrs. Win in Pitt. Almost scored 60 in Den. Punched the crap out of Rivers and co in SD in 2010.
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Yeah those were good. But we don’t score 59 without Hue. Cable was terrible at calling the offense.
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The cable/jackson was the duo we should have kept.
Cable had the OL playing well, had the players behind him.
Jackson was calling the games well.
We could have grown off that. But that is all in the past, unfortunately.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Soup and his deep ball………
Man, that thing would come out looking nice, perfect spiral, into single coverage……..and ALWAYS tailed OOB.
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you must have missed the buffalo game
you must have missed the deep throw off one foot out side of the pocket to ford that beat the queefs
you people cant help but lie can you
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Yeah JC is awesome. So good he’s currently a backup and made a joke of himself in the two games he was able to play in last year.
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What he did in chicago has nothing to do with what he did in oakland
lets recap
undefeated int he afc west
first place in the afc west
12-7
JC as a raider is all i care about, just like i dont care what bush did with the bears
February 14th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
They get zero credit because of their pass blocking.
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We are one of the best pass-blocking teams in the NFL.
Carson got hit less than all but 4 QB’s last year.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Soup was 4-12 the year before he came here.
WTF is up with us trying to resurrect 4-12 QB’s?????
February 14th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Soup and his deep ball………
Man, that thing would come out looking nice, perfect spiral, into single coverage……..and ALWAYS tailed OOB.
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you must have missed the buffalo game
you must have missed the deep throw off one foot out side of the pocket to ford that beat the queefs
you people cant help but lie can you
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Yeah JC is awesome. So good he’s currently a backup and made a joke of himself in the two games he was able to play in last year.
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What he did in chicago has nothing to do with what he did in oakland
lets recap
undefeated int he afc west
first place in the afc west
12-7
JC as a raider is all i care about, just like i dont care what bush did with the bears
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You love taking one stat and using it for everything, throwing common sense out the window.
Whatever makes you feel better.
Reality: JC will never be a starter again by choice.
February 14th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
the raiders have about as much of a chance winning the afc west or making the playoffs as the bills have at winning the afc east
thaT IS REGARDLESS OF PAlMER
so why not cut bait spend the money saved on depth and roll out pryor and see if he is the man
you gave palmer a one yaer try out last season give it to pryor this year.
at worst if he isnt the guy you can take a qb next year.
Do like the eagles are.
pryor to start, back him up with vy or tavaris jackson
this way if pryor cant finish put in your back up without disrupting the continuity of the pistol shotgun read hybrid offense
no brainer
February 14th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
Soup was 4-12 the year before he came here.
WTF is up with us trying to resurrect 4-12 QB’s?????
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davis sr was right about jc
jc proved on the field in silver and black
palmer has flopped miserably
end of story
change reel
February 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
You love taking one stat and using it for everything, throwing common sense out the window.
Whatever makes you feel better.
Reality: JC will never be a starter again by choice.
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that wont change what has been documented by the nfl while jc was a raider
I know it kills you
lol
golden haired hero hasnt come anywhere near what jc did
February 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
done for the day impostor fans
February 14th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
davis sr was right about jc
jc proved on the field in silver and black
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REally?
No doubt he has been better than CArson, but I highly doubt Al brought him here to miss the playoffs two straight years and miss half the games over the two years.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I used to think that all the division in here was becuz we just went 4-12 and everybody’s in a bad mood, but now i’m starting to think that even if we’d won the SB we’d all be arguing about who should get the credit.
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Yes, but that should be sweeeet!
February 14th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
done for the day impostor fans
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“Imposter fans”? After you just spent the last half hour making a case for a QB of another team and how he’s so much better than the QB of your supposed team.
Really…who is the imposter fan.
BTW: The bears board probably has some great conversation going. Why don’t u join your fellow fans.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
done for the day impostor fans
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“Imposter fans”? After you just spent the last half hour making a case for a QB of another team and how he’s so much better than the QB of your supposed team.
Really…who is the imposter fan.
BTW: The bears board probably has some great conversation going. Why don’t u join your fellow fans.
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He can’t there isn’t anyone thinking JC should be the starter.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Hue Jackson and Tom Cable could not co-exist they noth made that very clear to Mr Davis. Mr Davus thus made his choice and Hue proved him right. All Hue needed was a defebse to go with his offense.
Dumb Reg. couldn’t see past his arrogance to allow us that experience. Hue didn’t hang himself at all IMHO he was undercut by a wannabe GM who wante dto put his own stamp on this team. Hue made mistakes but none nearly as egregious as what DA has made. How dumb do you hav eto be to say one day Pryor’s not backup material to 3 days later saying he deserves a chance to see if he can START. It’s borderline moronic………period
February 14th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I used to think that all the division in here was becuz we just went 4-12 and everybody’s in a bad mood, but now i’m starting to think that even if we’d won the SB we’d all be arguing about who should get the credit.
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Yes, but that should be sweeeet!
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There were actually a good number of people who thought Gannon needed to go during his run with us.
Probably thought Vince Evans should have started.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
He can’t there isn’t anyone thinking JC should be the starter.
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oh fudge too funny.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
I used to think that all the division in here was becuz we just went 4-12 and everybody’s in a bad mood, but now i’m starting to think that even if we’d won the SB we’d all be arguing about who should get the credit.
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Yes, but that should be sweeeet!
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There were actually a good number of people who thought Gannon needed to go during his run with us.
Probably thought Vince Evans should have started.
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I can´t believe this, but now I know some of the bloggers here, I can figure this out been not so sweet.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Interesting Article if TRUE
NFL Wants Raiders To Find Talent In 2013 Draft
by Chris Shellcroft
NFL Wants Raiders To Find Talent In 2013 Draft
Losing has its benefits…I guess. Dennis Allen endured a brutal baptism as a first year NFL head coach but he made it through and is poised to take a second spin on the NFL rollercoaster.
Improving starts with getting more talent in positions of need and the swap meet of pro football that is the NFL Draft is certainly a great place to start. Of course nothing is guaranteed in the draft but the more opportunities a team gets to evaluate potential prospects the better the odds are of avoiding another JaMistake.
Perhaps the NFL wants the Raiders to avoid the pitfalls of the draft that have plagued them in recent years (at least in the first round of said draft). First Allen and his staff were fortunate enough to coach at the Senior Bowl giving them access to many top prospects via a week of practice. Now the league is giving those same coaches yet another chance to see future NFL talent up close and personal.
The Raiders have announced via Twitter (these clearly are no longer your Al Davis Raiders) that their coaches will be conducting drills at the NFL Scouting Combine. That means the Raiders’ staff will be hands on with many of the players they’ve only previously seen on tape. It also means they’ll get to see firsthand how future Raiders go about their business in the biggest job interview a football player will ever go through.
Of course none of this guarantees the Raiders will find a future Hall of Famer but it certainly helps in the weeeding out process.
February 14th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
not letting me post the link tho
February 14th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Watching ‘Sin City’ for the first time. Half hour in, I’m liking it.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
First off, good job Raidersallday for digging up more interesting stuff. You’re always on your web game.
Secondly, are we seeing a big shift now? Before it was the league against the Raiders…for like the past 40+ years. We got screwed on the Immaculate Deception, Lytle fumble and Tuck Rule, just to mention a few, not to mention acheiving the almost statistical impossibility of leading the league in penalties for umpteen years despite completely different rosters, coaches etc. I don’t care what anybody says it borders on conspiracy and even fans of other teams say..”yeah..that really is a little weird” but now…for some reason it almost seems like the league WANTS us to win. For whatever reason they realize that the Raiders winning is GOOD for the league.
It’s like pro wrestling. You gotta have the bad guy to make it interesting. I’m curious what other reasons they would have for wanting us to make a comeback.
Could it be they realize the horrible financial state we’re in and are afraid if we don’t win soon Mark will be forced to sell and they don’t want to have to take over the franchise? Or have some guy from Iran buy us?
Or, could the stadium issue be on their minds and they realize if the Raiders don’t start winning that fan interest will drop off to the point that a new stadium is impossible?
Whatever it is, i’m sensing that the league wants us to start winning. Maybe we’ll start getting some calls for a change.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
not letting me post the link tho
ustblogbaby.com/2013/02/13/nfl-wants-raiders-to-find-talent-in-2013-draft/
February 14th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Hey Purvis. What’s shakin?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Ian Rapoport of the NFL Network reports that the Kansas City Chiefs are “actively pursuing” a long-term agreement with WR Dwayne Bowe.
Rapoport adds that the Chiefs have already met with Bowe’s representatives with the intention of locking him.
Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk reports that a source with knowledge of the situation has confirmed that the Chiefs interest in retaining Bowe.
For months now, it has seemed like a forgone conclusion that Bowe would be playing elsewhere next season, but the new regime in Kansas City appears to have him in their long-term plans.
Bowe, 28, received the Chiefs franchise tag last year, so to use the designation again this offseason they would have to be willing to pay him an additional 20 percent, which comes out to a projected $11.4 million.
We have Bowe currently listed as our No. 4 best available player in our Top 50 Free Agents list.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
We don’t need the league to feel sorry for us, just treat us like the rest of the teams.
You’ll see evidence of change by looking how the schedule works out.
Will they have us start out in a hostile environment on a late Mon. nite game and then have us the next sunday for a 10 am east coast tilt?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Not much, DJ, like I said earlier, watching ‘Sin City’ for the first time. Pretty cool.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Hey, IF Pryor beats our Palmer in an open competition it’s the greatest news we’ve had in a long time. Then we have a QB who can throw AND make plays with his legs.
It’s a HUUUUGE IF.
I believe Palmer will start day one. The REAL fans will not be rooting for him to fail.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
886,
Purvis, I haven’t seen it. Is it on HBO?
February 14th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
The Raiders offense ranked 6th in league with Cable as HC and Hue as OC. The offense dropped to 16th in league with Hue as HC and OC. Both teams went 8-8. Hue Jackson is a better OC than HC ..Give him credit for his creative Offensive play calling outside the red zone. Hue was one of the best until the red zone. I would have rehired him as our OC..but not sure I’m sold on im as a HC. Nor is the rest of the league
February 14th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
SyFy, No premium for me. Weird Tarantino/Rodriguez vehicle, comic book style but real.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
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Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa40t20LqBo
February 14th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
891,
That’s too painful to watch. The most uncomfortable press conference i’ve ever seen. Just unfortunate.
Not a good day for our esteemed patriarch.
February 14th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
891,
That’s too painful to watch. The most uncomfortable press conference i’ve ever seen. Just unfortunate.
Not a good day for our esteemed patriarch.
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Dude, are you kidding?? These Al PCs were priceless! The guy was sharp as a tack. Did you hear the part where he blew off that writer about how many free agents we had? Awesome stuff!
February 14th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
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Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa40t20LqBo
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Vindicated once again! Notice how at the very beginning Jackson says, “running our system”, not “running the system I implemented”, “or my system”. Al Davis SPECIFICALLY says he brought in Jackson as a “playcaller”, then says offensive cooridinator and then says he didn’t believe a head coach could call plays. But never once does Davis EVER say he brought in Jackson to revamp the offense. Thank you Al from beyond!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
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Not as head coach. I said ‘hired him in the first place’.
Details,Debo. Need to pay closer attention to things.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
G’evening fellas.
Purvis and DJ…Sin City is a pretty cool flick. Based on a graphic novel. You need to get it on Netflix or something. It has to be cut all to hell even on SyFy. Features a lot of nudity and graphic violence. Gruesomeness really.
Has an all-star cast too.. starting with Jessica Alba, obviously. Bruce Willis,Mickey Rourke, Clive Owen, Benecio Del Toro, Brittney Murphy, Michael Clarke Duncan, Rosario Dawson, Clive Owen and Elijah Wood.
A dark, twisted comic book for adults, Basically.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
893,
Is that the one where he kept on saying “Who?” when Kawakami says who he is? There were some good parts. I just didn’t like the way he iviscerated Cable. I thought it was unneccessary.
There won’t be another like Al that’s for sure. Rip.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
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hehehehe. No, they couldn’t handle it. So, what did we learn today at Jerry MacDonald’s farm? Well as usual, that down is up and up is down. Let’s take a look shall we?
lst and foremost what some posters believe is Hue Jackson came in and completely implemented his system. But No one has been able to produce any evidence to support that. What does the NFL say about that? Well, Tom Cable has been coaching the Oline and is Assistant Head Coach in charge of the offense of a playoff team, and Hue Jackson was not even coaching an offense last season. Huh.
What else have we learned: that Joe Montana credits Paul Hackett for his development and did so in his HOF induction speech, but apparently, that doesn’t matter. Hackett never knew what he was doing for 23 years in the league.
And finally, that Jason Campbell is a better Q than Carson Palmer, altho watching with ones own eyes, that is completely preposterous. I think I got it all!
Thank you and good night sports fans!!
February 14th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
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Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa40t20LqBo
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Vindicated once again! Notice how at the very beginning Jackson says, “running our system”, not “running the system I implemented”, “or my system”. Al Davis SPECIFICALLY says he brought in Jackson as a “playcaller”, then says offensive cooridinator and then says he didn’t believe a head coach could call plays. But never once does Davis EVER say he brought in Jackson to revamp the offense. Thank you Al from beyond!
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Dude you’re hilarious! Al said that Cable didn’t have the ability to coordinate an offense. He cited the piss-poor passing numbers under Cable as evidence. He said basically, he didn’t believe Cable could do it and that’s why Hue was there. The only thing he said about Cable that wasn’t negative is that he was a zone-blocking purist. Since I’m being generous tonight, I take that to mean that Cable was a decent OL coach and nothing more. Just like I’ve always thought.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Coming in a little late from the last article. Work and all gets in the way. But who woulda thought we’d have two posts in as little as two days?
Anyway, this quote:
““That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.””
Tells me that Pryor is doomed in Olsen’s offense. Decision making and throwing strong point to point passes from the pocket (along with taking Wonderlic tests) are his weakest skills.
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So is Palmer’s! lol
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I’m going to say something that will probably tick off a lot of people but Palmer is neither smart, nor accurate, nor clutch, nor a winner. He knows one offense and that is the Cincy hurryup. Hue simply had him run Cincy’s offense. He couldn’t even get through Hue’s playbook. (look it up) Yes he came to the team late so to be generous you can give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He never mastered Knapp’s offense. This is why he and his receivers were never on the same page. However Knapp’s system did wonders for cutting down on his interceptions. With a new OC and scheme Palmer will struggle as bad or worse this season as he did last. He is not a quick learner. People misconstrue his ability to get rid of the ball quickly as being able to read a defense but his interceptions and pick six rate refutes that. If Olsen’s offense is even a tenth as complicated as Martz’s offense then Palmer is toast. If the coaches are really serious about TP and Palmer having head to head competition for starting QB ( I don’t think they are . I think CP is going to start regardless )then TP has a chance because both are starting from scratch in a new system and it will take Palmer at least two years to pick it up not to mention without a rock solid center the OL is going to be a mess for at least the 1st half of the season compounding the imminent struggles.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
OL coach and nothing more. Just like I’ve always thought.
902.logic82 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Coming in a little late from the last article. Work and all gets in the way. But who woulda thought we’d have two posts in as little as two days?
Anyway, this quote:
““That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.””
Tells me that Pryor is doomed in Olsen’s offense. Decision making and throwing strong point to point passes from the pocket (along with taking Wonderlic tests) are his weakest skills.
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So is Palmer’s! lol
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I’m going to say something that will probably tick off a lot of people but Palmer is neither smart, nor accurate, nor clutch, nor a winner. He knows one offense and that is the Cincy hurryup. Hue simply had him run Cincy’s offense. He couldn’t even get through Hue’s playbook. (look it up) Yes he came to the team late so to be generous you can give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He never mastered Knapp’s offense. This is why he and his receivers were never on the same page. However Knapp’s system did wonders for cutting down on his interceptions. With a new OC and scheme Palmer will struggle as bad or worse this season as he did last. He is not a quick learner. People misconstrue his ability to get rid of the ball quickly as being able to read a defense but his interceptions and pick six rate refutes that. If Olsen’s offense is even a tenth as complicated as Martz’s offense then Palmer is toast. If the coaches are really serious about TP and Palmer having head to head competition for starting QB ( I don’t think they are . I think CP is going to start regardless )then TP has a chance because both are starting from scratch in a new system and it will take Palmer at least two years to pick it up not to mention without a rock solid center the OL is going to be a mess for at least the 1st half of the season compounding the imminent struggles.
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This is so on point. I remember hearing people talk about what a slow learner Palmer was at USC. Nothing about his time hear would lead me to believe he’s a smart guy.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Ok. Logic, that is a total slam post cloaked in pragmatic analysis and “fairness”. You hate Palmer. Just admit it.
As far as “smarts” go and Palmer’s Wonderlic, he had a 26 which is very good. Look it up. Contrary to popular thought, Jamarcus Russell had a good score too…24.
One thing about the Palmer haters is it always gets personal. He doesn’t perform well enough as a QB for your tastes? Fine, but does it have to get into where you’re attacking his intelligence?
I love the post’s that start out “I’m not ripping on Palmer, but I was scrolling through the archives of the Bengals boards to the day Palmer signed with Oakland and did u know they were all saying how dumb he was and how glad they are he’s gone?” “Gee willikers I couldn’t believe it how much they said he sucked”.
You don’t like him as our QB. Can’t we keep it at that? What is it about him that elicits such venom and hatred?
February 14th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
I don’t think Palmer was all that bad last year overall, but he did have very costly mistakes when he did make them. Still, he was not why the Raiders did so bad. The defense was horrible, the run game non- existent. The scheme and the horrible play calling I think was the biggest concern, of course poor execution on 3rd downs especially was frustrating.
With that said, TP is an interesting prospect. I’m not sure I’d hand him the keys, but he’s defiantly worth a look, and I think they should have taken a look at him much sooner last season. I’m not sold on the new management with making, or rather not making such moves to attempt to move this franchise forward. Despite what many people may say, I think Oakland has a fairly talented team, but it’s not being utilized the right way. The discipline with the players did improve this past year, but it was a major fail on utilizing the players you have, and that is very concerning that so many fans could see it yet the coaches/management could not.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
G’evening fellas.
Purvis and DJ…Sin City is a pretty cool flick. Based on a graphic novel. You need to get it on Netflix or something. It has to be cut all to hell even on SyFy. Features a lot of nudity and graphic violence. Gruesomeness really.
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Haven’t seen any nudity, but I doubt they’re cutting the gore. 15 minutes left. 2 1/2 hours on SyFy ,124 minute runtime, so they probably cut 10-15 minutes.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
I personally think we have two stand up guys in Palmer and Pryor. They are both good guys. Pryor is busting his butt to get better and his attitude is lights out.
The guys that say “we’ve seen one game and that’s enuff for me” have a predisposed dislike for him as well. How can u judge a qb on one game?
If for no other reason i’d love to see Pryor succeed just to have Al’s last pick of his life become a stud. It would be Al giving one last “f u” to the haters. If it just so happens he shows that he can’t chuck the rock with the accuracy needed to be a good qb in the league…then he needs to get a shot at WR or at least something to contribute to the team.
There’s just too much raw talent imo to let it go to waste.
For the Palmer haters who love Pryor, listen to how much Pryor respects and appreciates how much Palmer has done to try and help him.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
I really hope Star L. falls to the Raiders. With Seymour likely gone and Kelly on the fence and aging, That would be a solid pick. A good pass rushing DE wouldn’t hurt, but I think Star would be more of a difference maker, and more of a sure bet.
February 14th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
I mentioned this yesterday but did u guys see the Sparano interview on raider.com? The guy looks so beaten down and demoralized. He looks like such a dynamo on the sidelines as a HC so it surprised me to see such a dejected guy.
He works his way up to his dream job as a HC in the NFL, then gets canned and becomes OC for a high profile team in a large market like NY…then gets canned again and here he is…OLine coach for what most people are saying is the worst team in football.
I hope he finds the drive to get into his job now. The dude just comes off as being really down.
Maybe he was having a rough day.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
I was gonna add that maybe Sparano will cheer up if he takes over for DA after week 4.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Neither a 26 or 24 is very good on the Wonderlic; a 50 question multiple choice test.
I bet 80% of this board would score in the 30’s.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
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Not as head coach. I said ‘hired him in the first place’. Details,Debo. Need to pay closer attention to things.
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Why was Hue hired into the organization in the 1st place??? Dumb question, don’t you think? Cable, Whackit and Tollner proved themselves to be incompetent, so Al went out and got Hue. End of story.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I didn’t see that but might have to check it out. I sure wish Al Saunders was running this offense, I’d feel much better. I’m not even sure whom I’d want on defense at this point. I was happy to see Tarver mix it up a bit, but his results sucked, and Allen being a defensive minded coach didn’t seem to help.
If they could somehow stop this defence from leaking like a seive every week, and get an offense going like they had previous to last year, they could be a pretty solid team. Its just mind boggling that they rearange what’s working on offense, and do little to adjust on the defensive side.
I understand they lost the starting CB’s the first two weeks, and that was a brutal blow with them having little depth. But it was ugly at times, high school football ugly. They should be better than that, and at the core, I believe they are.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
DJ,
It’s fairly obvious why at least one guy, and probably a couple of others despise the “Fair Haired hero.” He is a lil too much of a pale ale for their liking. They obviously prefer a slightly darker lager. Sad, but true.
But the one comment I read on here from time to time that aggravates me is posters who comment on how much better the Bengals got after they jettisoned that BIG LOOOOSSSSERRR Carson Palmer. Like he was some sort of Albatross. Pure Rubbish.
I’m not even going back to his injury by Kimo Von Kneewhacker in ‘05 where he’d just dropped a dime on Chris Henry…but 2009…just a couple of years before he arrived in Oakland. Cincy WON the AFC North and SWEPT both the STEELERS and RAVENS..WITH Carson Palmer @ QB. No small feat.
The 2010 season was a debacle due mainly to the two biggest head case, diva WR’s in NFL History. Ocho Cinco and T.O., who were more interested in some Comedy skit, reality TV nonsense than playing football. The guy said enough is enough..get me outta this circus. Poor Carson went from the frying pan into the fire.
I’m not knocking Andy Dalton, but he’s not in Carson’s league. He’s more of a game manager. Plus, He’s benefited from the absence of those two clowns and the arrival of AJ Green. An absolute stud WR. And every QB’s safety net a good, young TE in Jermaine Gresham.
In 2011 Cincy backed into the playoffs as the 6th seed. They were swept by Pitt and Balt and weren’t even remotely competitive.
Kudos to them for making it back in ‘12. That IMO, is due to the young Bengal defense..Geno Atkins, Carlos Dunlap, Michael Johnson, Leon Hall, Rey Maualuga and yes Vontaze Burfict starting to gel under a pretty good DC in Mike Zimmer.
Yet, how many more playoff games have they won..than W/ Carson. Zero. None. Nada.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
logic82 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
I’m going to say something that will probably tick off a lot of people but Palmer is neither smart, nor accurate, nor clutch, nor a winner. He knows one offense and that is the Cincy hurryup. Hue simply had him run Cincy’s offense. He couldn’t even get through Hue’s playbook. (look it up) Yes he came to the team late so to be generous you can give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He never mastered Knapp’s offense. This is why he and his receivers were never on the same page. However Knapp’s system did wonders for cutting down on his interceptions. With a new OC and scheme Palmer will struggle as bad or worse this season as he did last. He is not a quick learner. People misconstrue his ability to get rid of the ball quickly as being able to read a defense but his interceptions and pick six rate refutes that. If Olsen’s offense is even a tenth as complicated as Martz’s offense then Palmer is toast. If the coaches are really serious about TP and Palmer having head to head competition for starting QB ( I don’t think they are . I think CP is going to start regardless )then TP has a chance because both are starting from scratch in a new system and it will take Palmer at least two years to pick it up not to mention without a rock solid center the OL is going to be a mess for at least the 1st half of the season compounding the imminent struggles.
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This is complete bullsh!t. What isn’t just made up (most of it) is simply inaccurate. Knapp’s system did not “do wonders” for Palmer’s 2012 INT rate was in line with that of his career (about the same as Eli Manning slightly more than Peyton and several other very good QBs). His 2011 rate was abnormal because he had a few multi-INT games after first joining the team and getting back into NFL action.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I love the post’s that start out “I’m not ripping on Palmer, but I was scrolling through the archives of the Bengals boards to the day Palmer signed with Oakland and did u know they were all saying how dumb he was and how glad they are he’s gone?” “Gee willikers I couldn’t believe it how much they said he sucked”.
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Know you’re joking, but I actually did, and again when we played them this year(cincyjungle,SBNation). They were split just like most teams fans are, but what I found interesting was about half, whether Palmer fans or not, did not begrudge his actions in Cincy and think their owner is a complete douche. In other words, they didn’t consider him a quitter and didn’t blame him for getting the hell out of Dodge.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
This article sheds some more light on where our cap money is tied up. Huff and Branch are somehow slated to occupy more than $20 mil of cap space.
I’d keep Huff and, as the article says, restructure his deal to kick some of that cap hit down the road. Personally, I’d let Branch walk and resign MM34 to take his place.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/shutdown-corner-offseason-tps-report-oakland-raiders-014656401–nfl.html
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Thank you, Chris. I’m tired of calling out their BS.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Bengals also underspent during Palmer years which is why half the fan base hates Mike Brown and what finally got to Palmer. Since the new CBA, they have to spend the money and gee, guess what, they got better.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Priority for resigning our own free agents:
1. Desmond Bryant
2. Phillip Wheeler
3. Mike Mitchell
4. Matt Shaughnessy
5. Phillip Adams
6. Mike Goodson
7. Joselio Hanson
8. Brandon Myers
9. Khalif Barnes
10. Andre Carter
11. Omar Gaither
February 14th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Buckeye-please join the conversations more frequently.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says: End of story.
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Doesn’t even scratch the surface.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
I’d switch Carter and Shaughnessy.Matt might have been one of the biggest disappointments on defense-someone who was thought would make a big impact but didn’t do much.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
I mentioned this yesterday but did u guys see the Sparano interview on raider.com? The guy looks so beaten down and demoralized. He looks like such a dynamo on the sidelines as a HC so it surprised me to see such a dejected guy.
He works his way up to his dream job as a HC in the NFL, then gets canned and becomes OC for a high profile team in a large market like NY…then gets canned again and here he is…OLine coach for what most people are saying is the worst team in football.
I hope he finds the drive to get into his job now. The dude just comes off as being really down.
Maybe he was having a rough day.
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Johnny, this is all part of Reggie and DA’s grand plan….
Relax, and understand this is all happening exactly as they want it to….
This organization is not interested in WINNING…..they (football side of the building) are only interested in keeping up the appearance of attempting to win….
They just want to maintain their employment…and make fear based choices with this FACT in mind….
It takes a free thinking mind to build a winner….we have parasitic minds in OAKLAND!
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Thank you, Chris. I’m tired of calling out their BS.
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Yeah man. I think 80 percent of it is just people who want Pryor to have a clear path to the starting job and have convinced themselves that Palmer is like the second coming of Scott Mitchell, or the white Daunte Culpepper (post-Moss years) or something.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Seymour, with the Palmer hating Hue lovers out in force, I’m tempted to revisit the explanation of why Al hired Hue in the first place. Not sure they could handle it, though.
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Don’t bother. Just hear it right from Al’s mouth at 5:54. This puts the whole thing to bed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa40t20LqBo
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God listening to this I just didn’t know how much I miss Mr Davis, these jokers we got right now aint worth the sweat on his asss. This idiot comes here and fires the best coach we had since Gruden. Just to bring in this freakin moron he calls a coach.
Stupidity reigns over the Silver and Black nowadays. If we can get someone in here to be Reggie’s boss actually knows what the hell he’s doing we have a chance to get back. But my God I just didn’t know how far we had fallen from mere common sense. We got dumbells runnin’ the joint now. “Oh How the Mighty have fallen”.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Neither a 26 or 24 is very good on the Wonderlic; a 50 question multiple choice test.
I bet 80% of this board would score in the 30’s.
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Maybe you are a super smart guy, but I facillitated the test at the office I work for prospective employees and it was rare to have people score in the 30’s. Marino had a 15, Flacco is at 27, Cutler 26, Peyton Manning 28, Favre 22…
The point is Palmer is not “dumb” which seems to be the next step in the hater’s goal to take cheap shots at Palmer at every level.
It’s not enough to criticize his QB but guys have to sink so low as to go after every facet of his life.
What’s next? You guy’s gonna go after his kids too?
Such classy folks in here.
February 14th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
922.backstageatapuppetshow Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Johnny, this is all part of Reggie and DA’s grand plan….
Relax, and understand this is all happening exactly as they want it to….
This organization is not interested in WINNING…..they (football side of the building) are only interested in keeping up the appearance of attempting to win….
They just want to maintain their employment…and make fear based choices with this FACT in mind….
It takes a free thinking mind to build a winner….we have parasitic minds in OAKLAND!
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Totally nailed it!
For years fans and writers were complaining about Al Davis’ total job security, but now we’re seeing the opposite end where we have coaches and decision makers who are largely guided by a mindset of holding onto their sweet jobs as long as possible and in positioning themselves for a soft, post-Raiders landing.
It’s like that scene in “Moneyball” where Art Howe tells Beane that he has to make decisions he can explain on job interviews the next off-season.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
lefty12 Says:
Buckeye-please join the conversations more frequently.
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I second the motion. And post a link here for practice.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
Thank you, Chris. I’m tired of calling out their BS.
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Yeah man. I think 80 percent of it is just people who want Pryor to have a clear path to the starting job and have convinced themselves that Palmer is like the second coming of Scott Mitchell, or the white Daunte Culpepper (post-Moss years) or something.
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I just want the kid to get a fair chance without the preconceaved notion that he is an athlete trying to play QB. Let his play speak for itself, see if he can make the right reads and the right throws and get rid of ball on time. Instead determining that on bias thinking because he runs fast.
I don’t trust these idots one bit especially the new moron Olson. As far as I’m concerned he’s already exposed himself as a someone who does want to develope him he wants to use him as an athlete already.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Neither a 26 or 24 is very good on the Wonderlic; a 50 question multiple choice test.
I bet 80% of this board would score in the 30’s.
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Maybe you are a super smart guy, but I facillitated the test at the office I work for prospective employees and it was rare to have people score in the 30’s. Marino had a 15, Flacco is at 27, Cutler 26, Peyton Manning 28, Favre 22…
The point is Palmer is not “dumb” which seems to be the next step in the hater’s goal to take cheap shots at Palmer at every level.
It’s not enough to criticize his QB but guys have to sink so low as to go after every facet of his life.
What’s next? You guy’s gonna go after his kids too?
Such classy folks in here.
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Dude, why are you being such a drama queen?? Guys question the intelligence of QBs in here all the time. What’s the big deal? The guy hasn’t led his team to more then 4 wins in a season for THREE years running now. He’s killed him team with backbreaking, boneheaded turnovers every step of the way. I think his FBI is fair game.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Does NOT want to develope him. That is Pryor’s enemy is his athleticism because coaches want to take advantage of it more than they want to coach him up as a QB. So they explain it away as if he can’t do this and can’t do that so they don’t have to do their damn jobs.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Ok. Logic, that is a total slam post cloaked in pragmatic analysis and “fairness”. You hate Palmer. Just admit it.
As far as “smarts” go and Palmer’s Wonderlic, he had a 26 which is very good. Look it up. Contrary to popular thought, Jamarcus Russell had a good score too…24.
One thing about the Palmer haters is it always gets personal. He doesn’t perform well enough as a QB for your tastes? Fine, but does it have to get into where you’re attacking his intelligence?
I love the post’s that start out “I’m not ripping on Palmer, but I was scrolling through the archives of the Bengals boards to the day Palmer signed with Oakland and did u know they were all saying how dumb he was and how glad they are he’s gone?” “Gee willikers I couldn’t believe it how much they said he sucked”.
You don’t like him as our QB. Can’t we keep it at that? What is it about him that elicits such venom and hatred?
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I don’t hate Palmer. I just call it like I see it. What did I say that was slanderous our off base? Him not being clutch or a winner isn’t even up for debate. So that leaves smart and accurate. Smart? Just think what this site would say if it was found out that TP or JC or even Grads didn’t even read the entire playbook. Is that something someone with quick wits and the ability to grasp large chunks of information would do? Also you do make a very valid point. The Wonderlic has very little relevance as to the the success and failure of a quarterback.
Last year every Raider fan in the nation knew that in every game somewhere along the line Palmer was going to make that patented quintessential boneheaded play. We all knew it was coming; the question was in what quarter.You know it. I know it. The world knows it. The only question is how much leeway, understanding, and patience each fan is willing to give him. You seem to very patient others aren’t.
This is why he has a problem if Olsen is serious about good decision making. If you want to blame his bad decisions and inaccuracy on subpar to poor receivers then that’s ok. But if that is the case the fact still remains he has yet to demonstrate those attributes consistently while being a Raider. He still has to prove he has those attributes. You say give him better receivers, and OC, and running game, and better defense. Ok. Fair enough. But you can’t say with any authority that he has demonstrated, on a consistent basis, those attributes as a Raider. We all hope he can. The point is, to date, he hasn’t. Don’t misconstrue the tendency for pragmatism and shorter fuses with blind hatred.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Logic82, long time listener first time caller?
February 14th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDI6warbYOc
February 14th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Fck Pryor and the hybrid offense what a bunch of schit D coordinators will have that gimmick offense figured out next year. Pryor is a athlete not a Qb so glad the fair haired hero will be our Qb again and Pryor will be holding his jock. Pure throwers of the football win ever super bowl every year FACT .
February 14th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Logic82, long time listener first time caller?
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I have been following this site for years but never posted. But after the way this past season went I just felt I had to chime in.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
ian85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Fck Pryor and the hybrid offense what a bunch of schit D coordinators will have that gimmick offense figured out next year. Pryor is a athlete not a Qb so glad the fair haired hero will be our Qb again and Pryor will be holding his jock. Pure throwers of the football win ever super bowl every year FACT
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You’re such a dmbsht. STFU about “gimmick” offenses and stuff getting “figured out next year”. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Go to sleep.
February 14th, 2013 at 10:55 pm
Fck u Debo u r the biggest moron on this blog After all it was Ur dimbass who said that whale russel at 308 lbs should replace Tom Brady hahaha Lmfao u r a dumb pos
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Pryor sucks period
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDO32ij91O8
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
look who’s at 4:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl51UnqBOvU
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
an85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Pryor sucks period
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Give him time, who knows. We don’t. Not yet. Change and initial shock are hard for human beings to take and first accept. We hold on to what’s comfortable and familiar. Maybe it’s time we took a leap into the unknown. We have nothing else to lose. Right?
Just let it ride. I think next season is going to be a turning point. A look into a different future. I really do, I have always held the glass is half full cup. Baby steps fellas.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Priest,
I respect you and your opinion. You are old school Raider through and through. Just not sure where you’re getting that vibe in post #930.
I think Reggie and Olson are both very intrigued by the potential of Terrell Pryor. And he is quite an intriguing prospect.
But just like at Ohio State, he can be maddeningly inconsistent. Capable of making a jaw dropping play one minute…evading the rush, stiff arming a would be tackler and firing a strike 50 yds down field. Then two plays later throwing up a duck or making a bone head play that leaves you scratching your head.
He is raw and not always fundamentally sound. He needs more reps AND good coaching. Footwork and technique.
Pryor seems to have a lot of respect for and a good working relationship with Palmer. Hopefully CP restructures and provides some cap relief. He gives Oakland the best chance of winning NOW. But he is not LONG TERM solution. Maybe Pryor is. We need to find out.
One thing I’m very impressed with TP is the way he has seemed to mature as an individual. He arrived in Columbus as the no 1 HS prospect with a rather large “entourage”. Wasn’t always well liked in the locker room either. Kind of a me,me, me guy. B.M.O.C.
Since arriving in Oakland, he’s been the consummate professional. Saying and doing all the right things. Loved his quote on being Mr. Davis’ last pick and wanting to do him proud. Working hard and striving to get better. learning under the veteran mentor Palmer.
I don’t think it’s purely speculation that Big Reg wanted to see #6 in San Diego and let DA know it. I’m sure the new OC will get on board also. IMO.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Morilla Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
an85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Pryor sucks period
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Give him time, who knows. We don’t. Not yet. Change and initial shock are hard for human beings to take and first accept. We hold on to what’s comfortable and familiar. Maybe it’s time we took a leap into the unknown. We have nothing else to lose. Right?
Just let it ride. I think next season is going to be a turning point. A look into a different future. I really do, I have always held the glass is half full cup. Baby steps fellas.
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True we shall see I watched Pryor all 3 years in college tho and was never impressed just my opinion tho.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Buckeye, I’ve been around coaches like Olson and DA for years and i know the code words for if he will let us we’ll switch him to another position WE think he belongs in. This is how they talk without even giving black athletic kids a chance to learn the position. They wnat to exploit their athleticism so badly they just ignore the fact they want and can play QB as good as anyone else if they’re given a chance to be coached up. These kids need to be nurtured and patiently taught the nuances of the psoition just like anyone else but the coaches don’t want to take the time to do it. Their answer is always he can play WR and RB and DB why waste time teahcing them the position tehy wnat to play.
That has been Pryor’s curse his entire career no one wants to take the time it takes to teach him what they would easily take the time to teach his whote counterpart. All because he runs fast……..I’ve heard it a thousand times………period
February 14th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Morilla Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
an85 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Pryor sucks period
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Give him time, who knows. We don’t. Not yet. Change and initial shock are hard for human beings to take and first accept. We hold on to what’s comfortable and familiar. Maybe it’s time we took a leap into the unknown. We have nothing else to lose. Right?
Just let it ride. I think next season is going to be a turning point. A look into a different future. I really do, I have always held the glass is half full cup. Baby steps fellas.
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True we shall see I watched Pryor all 3 years in college tho and was never impressed just my opinion tho.
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Trust me, I’m not sold on anybody. Part of me believes CP will be the starter next year with a re-worked contract. Seeing more of Pryor and building his skill set. After next season it will be open season. I think letting TP marinate is a good thing. He definitely has an upside. If he flames out, then oh well. For Al’s last pick I hope he shines.
I really don’t care. I’ve been a Raider fan too long. Just win some damn games.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:18 pm
Priest,
I respect you and your opinion. You are old school Raider through and through. Just not sure where you’re getting that vibe in post #930.
I think Reggie and Olson are both very intrigued by the potential of Terrell Pryor. And he is quite an intriguing prospect.
But just like at Ohio State, he can be maddeningly inconsistent. Capable of making a jaw dropping play one minute…evading the rush, stiff arming a would be tackler and firing a strike 50 yds down field. Then two plays later throwing up a duck or making a bone head play that leaves you scratching your head.
He is raw and not always fundamentally sound. He needs more reps AND good coaching. Footwork and technique.
Pryor seems to have a lot of respect for and a good working relationship with Palmer. Hopefully CP restructures and provides some cap relief. He gives Oakland the best chance of winning NOW. But he is not LONG TERM solution. Maybe Pryor is. We need to find out.
One thing I’m very impressed with TP is the way he has seemed to mature as an individual. He arrived in Columbus as the no 1 HS prospect with a rather large “entourage”. Wasn’t always well liked in the locker room either. Kind of a me,me, me guy. B.M.O.C.
Since arriving in Oakland, he’s been the consummate professional. Saying and doing all the right things. Loved his quote on being Mr. Davis’ last pick and wanting to do him proud. Working hard and striving to get better. learning under the veteran mentor Palmer.
I don’t think it’s purely speculation that Big Reg wanted to see #6 in San Diego and let DA know it. I’m sure the new OC will get on board also. IMO.
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I agree with much of what you said until the last part where you state that Reggie wanted to see #6 in San Diego….
Lets clear the AIR, REGGIE did not want to see Pryor play…..MARK DAVIS did….and this is a FACT!
February 14th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Pryor if given the time and reps to play QB can be as good as anyone. But it may not happen here because the coaches just don’t have the vision it takes to see what he brings to the table at that position. They only see his speed and athleticism while I see a great capacity to lead this entire org. to greatness.
Mr Davis saw what I see and it’s all there it just needs reps and time. We’re not talking anymore time than it would take anyone else but he needs those same opportunities others get to prove what he can do. These fruitloops here can’t see past their own bias and prejudice to realize what they have and tghe potential he brings. It’s the same crap I’ve been hearing for 30-40 years when it comes to black QB’s. That is exactly what I heard from Olson in his interview he guy is clueless………..period
February 14th, 2013 at 11:49 pm
People like to throw out all the stats about Palmer and his turnovers. He’s a pick six machine. Multiple turnover games, consecutive game streaks, etc.
But I’m pretty sure if you look at the QB’s up there with Palmer in all those categories, there aren’t a bunch of scrubs.
You’ll find names like Favre, Eli and Brees. Guys that fling the rock all over the field. Take chances. Not check down, game managers. Carson is a gunslinger.
Yes, all the above have won championships. Carson hasn’t. I guess he’s disqualified.
And yes, in 2009 after he led them to div title in tough AFC North and sweeping both Baltimore and Pitt….The Palmer led Bengals lost in the playoffs. To the Jets.
But remember, before they imploded into their own reality TV Circus act..the Jets were an up and coming team, led by the defensive brilliance of Rex Ryan. Ground and pound. They bullied the Patriots in the playoffs and went to two straight AFC championship games.
Now they are a joke. No real shame in losing to them back then, though.
But, I know. Palmer is a LOOOOSSSEEER.
February 14th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
Buckeye, That just is not the perception of Palmer in here it’s the way he is viewed NATIONALLY. Only HE can change that he has to win games it’s really that simple to excuse him for all the reason people do doesn’t do him any good at all. He has to win games………period
Until he does they will view him as a loser right or wrongly that is the way he will be viewed. JC when he was here he was villified by the masses and HE WON. But for some reason people want to fight for Palmer when he does nothing but lose games. YOU cannot defend that I don’t care what logic you try to use. His WR’s his RB his Oline whatever the case if the QB doesn’t win games he is viewed as a loser………..period
February 14th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
BackStage.
Maybe you’re right, and I’m wrong. If it did indeed come from up above, then that is even better for TP.
After all, Mark Davis is the man who signs the checks.
February 15th, 2013 at 12:00 am
People call Pryor a loser in this league in here already and he only lost one game….lol
You have to win………period
Adios!
February 15th, 2013 at 12:03 am
Priesttj12 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Pryor if given the time and reps to play QB can be as good as anyone. But it may not happen here because the coaches just don’t have the vision it takes to see what he brings to the table at that position. They only see his speed and athleticism while I see a great capacity to lead this entire org. to greatness.
Mr Davis saw what I see and it’s all there it just needs reps and time. We’re not talking anymore time than it would take anyone else but he needs those same opportunities others get to prove what he can do. These fruitloops here can’t see past their own bias and prejudice to realize what they have and tghe potential he brings. It’s the same crap I’ve been hearing for 30-40 years when it comes to black QB’s. That is exactly what I heard from Olson in his interview he guy is clueless………..period
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I don’t know if I would describe the man as clueless, rather, he is just doing what he and other coaches before him have been trained to do….
He is a copy cat coach in a league filled with men who have been afforded their positions based on the performance of men who coached this sport many many years ago…..nepotism at its finest….most of these coaches spend absolutely no time developing themselves inside of the sport in which they are supposed to be experts.
Give me a group of consistently winning high school coaches who are not afforded the luxury of choosing their talent over 75% of the coaches in the NFL……who instead jump ship from one team to the next every couple years and use canned excuses like “3rd down %”, “execution”, & “turnovers” as a means to explain their lack of success.
The Oakland Raider staff are a group of boy scouts with all the right intentions in the world….the problem is….its all based on a philosophy they were taught from men who actually believed it and lived by it….when the Raider coaches preach it….its like watching the movie multiplicity….its just a copy of a copy of a copy….
The NFL hates new ideas….because they threaten a way of thinking which has been copied for years….
Look at the Tebow situation….too many analysts (former players) in the league were threatened by a new approach to football….and were embarrassed by his success because they could not anticipate it…..
This season, the addition of the “Pistol” QB has even ruffled the feathers of Arron Rogers….who says it won’t last….we’ll have to wait and see….
February 15th, 2013 at 12:08 am
Priest,
that is absolutely true. Whether it’s fair or not is another matter.
Hell, even ButtChin Brady’s legacy is starting to take a hit. And he’s got three rings. But now, he’s not quite seen as the “winner” as he used to be. Even if his losses are in SB’s and AFC champ games.
Serves his punk azz right, though.
February 15th, 2013 at 12:13 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mcE5Iv0hVQ
February 15th, 2013 at 12:23 am
G’night fellas.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:11 am
I use to be OAKGLEN. But I’m IGAG now.
OAKGLEN = no mo
IGAG = fo sho
IGAG got banned from IHOP too. Can’t tell u why. My lawyer told the to keep my fckn mouth shut. His words. Not mine.
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IGAG is a big fan. Very big. Fan.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:00 am
Lock it in…
#1 pick = Geno Smith (whether Chiefs or team trading up like Cardinals).
#2 pick = Luke Joeckel (Jags going ZBS, Joeckel excels at ZBS).
This much so far.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:12 am
Here’s another scenario…
Chief’s trade the #1 pick to a team like Cardinals, and acquire some extra picks. Cardinals draft Smith.
Then Chief’s trade their high 2nd rounder to the Eagles for Nick Foles.
Chief’s use that 1st then for a pass-rusher, for instance.
Chief’s still have the Cardinals’ 2nd rounder.
Quite a good outcome for the Chiefs.
With Eagles re-signing Vick and signing Dennis Dixon, Foles becomes the odd-man-out.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:17 am
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February 15th, 2013 at 3:46 am
that loser will ensure an early playoff exit!
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@Dakota
Besiktas > Lakers.
get over it !!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:09 am
Personally, I’d let Branch walk and resign MM34 to take his place.
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Chris in NY,
where were you LAST OFFSEASON when I said this a gazillion times??
Branch = Gibril Wilson
February 15th, 2013 at 4:12 am
#1 pick = Geno Smith
#2 pick = Luke Joeckel
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GG,
best case scenario??
#1 Joeckel
#2 Moore, Jones or Werner
#3 TRADE DOWN (with a team who wants Geno Smith!)
February 15th, 2013 at 4:19 am
2 more months.. then NBA & NFL become interesting again!!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:23 am
#962…
That would be better for us.
I think it’s more clear that the Chiefs will trade their #33 (basically a first rounder) for Foles.
They could either trade their #1 to a team wanting Smith/Joeckel, and acquire another 2nd rounder to off-set the 2nd they give for Foles.
Or, they could just sit at #1 and take Joeckel (as well as trading their #33 for Foles).
So, that could still work out for us having Geno Smith at #3 available for us to trade down.
However, the Jags could also take Smith at #2 if Joeckel goes #1.
I personally like Eric Fisher as an OT, trading down for him. There’s a lot of interesting DTs available in the 2nd onwards. Would like to see us focus on LT, C, NT, and LB x2 in all our earliest picks.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:29 am
Joeckel-Foles with picks #1 and #33 would be an excellent outcome for the Chiefs.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:43 am
I keep hearing a teaser on the radio for a quarterback trade rumor. Who is it? Anyone know?
February 15th, 2013 at 5:52 am
Nevermind, it’s Nick Foles to KC. Yawn.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:53 am
Maybe you are a super smart guy, but I facillitated the test at the office I work for prospective employees and it was rare to have people score in the 30’s.
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Johnny,
I was test proctor in college, and I used to administer the Wonderlic to new Junior College students who didn’t have a GED or HS diploma. To be eligibile for financial aid, they had to score a certain level on the test.
Some of these people actually scored in the low 20’s sometimes.
I think your average college graduate averages in the high 20’s to low 30’s, so again a 24 or 26 on the Wondelic is not super dense, but it isn’t necessarily good.
All I’m saying. It is only one to view intelligence, not calling Palmer stupid or anything, but unless you score a 30 or higher on it, it is not at all impressive in my eyes.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:58 am
Priesttj12 Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Pryor if given the time and reps to play QB can be as good as anyone. But it may not happen here because the coaches just don’t have the vision it takes to see what he brings to the table at that position. They only see his speed and athleticism while I see a great capacity to lead this entire org. to greatness.
Mr Davis saw what I see and it’s all there it just needs reps and time. We’re not talking anymore time than it would take anyone else but he needs those same opportunities others get to prove what he can do. These fruitloops here can’t see past their own bias and prejudice to realize what they have and tghe potential he brings. It’s the same crap I’ve been hearing for 30-40 years when it comes to black QB’s. That is exactly what I heard from Olson in his interview he guy is clueless………..period
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The only clueless person here is you. If you watched or read the interview you would have learned that Olsen is really wanting to find out what Pryor can do.
He mentioned specifically that the 49ers are comfortable with Kaepernick because they know he can execute an NFL passing offense. He says that the Raiders already know about Pryor’s athleticism and now need to find out if he can, in Olson’s words, throw the ball accurately and on time and read defenses and make the right decisions. This is pretty much what most everyone has been saying about Pryor all along.
Just because you want Pryor to succeed with all your heart doesn’t mean that professional coaches that want to see if he can play before anointing him as The Next Big Thing are stupid, or keeping the black man down.
Get a grip, Priest. You sound like a jilted schoolgirl.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Foles to KC would not be good for us, IMO.
Reid would be able to hit the ground running.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:03 am
The only qb trade rumor I heard was Foles to KC, but at this time of year any confirmed report of a team interested in trading for a player would be considered tampering.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:05 am
969.
I agree for the most part. I also think Priest really is deep down a Pryor fan but the way he presents his argument, like so many others, can’t avoid the racial overtone. So it’s a turnoff to anyone that is not a bigot. Doesn’t matter if you fall in the discriminate pile or anti-discriminate crowd, it’s still racial bias.
Like you said, coaches aren’t dumb. They have their own jobs on the line. The man who can read defenses, process decisions quickly and on the run can make quality throws is going to be the starter.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:06 am
Just give it some time with Priest.
First he just needed a chance, now he can “be as good as anyone” if only he could get the playing time.
Within a month, he will be the greatest prospect ever to land on the face of earth, in any sport, in any era.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Foles to KC would not be good for us, IMO.
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How you figure? That bumps up the likelyhood of Geno falling to us and maybe getting a haul of picks. Jacksonville could beat us to the punch, but we may get lucky.
Foles doesn’t scare me though. From what little I’ve seen. But Andy Reid has always had a rep of developing QB’s so we’ll see.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:10 am
I never thought KC would take Geno, and I still think Jax is trading down to whoever (AZ probably) wants Geno.
As far as Geno falling to us and getting a haul of picks, if he is on the board at #3, we will take 30 seconds to send up the card.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:11 am
No amount of message board hyperbole is going to convince coaches to see the light that Pryor is the next Michael Jordan of football. At some point, even if you are a fan of so-and-so, you need to rein in your passion or you lose credibility. Opinions have to border on the edge of reality if not sanity.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:12 am
Guest,
I know Priest is a Pryor fan, although I wouldn’t say it’s too deep down. He wears his heart on his sleeve for the young man.
All well and good I suppose, but to call others clueless and racist for wanting to see if the kid can actually do the things an NFL quarterback is supposed to do before giving him the keys to the franchise is just ridiculous.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:12 am
Jax recently said they are going to build around Gabbert, and clearly need a pass rusher, so trade down for them makes all the sense in the world.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:12 am
As far as Geno falling to us and getting a haul of picks, if he is on the board at #3, we will take 30 seconds to send up the card.
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Is this your hope, hunch, or is there any info on the net that supports this theory?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:15 am
Ed Teach,
I notice the passion in Priesttj’s words. It’s personal for him. I don’t think he is analyzing this from a larger scope. What’s best for the Raiders org. He seems more concerned for Pryor’s future than the Raiders.
I’ve always said, what’s best for the Raiders is what I support. If Pryor is the better QB, he will have my full support.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:16 am
JFB,
I believe you when u say that. When I administered it the people had 12 minutes…not a second more. Once that bell went off it was pencil down..test over.
It’s interesting that i’ve heard of guys taking the test that the administrator would be a little loose on the 12 minute thing, and not use a stop watch. He’d look at his watch and go “Ok…times up”. Even giving 10-20 seconds more can be a the difference between a good score and average..or poor, as u know you’re graded on how many you answer correctly only.
You’re a straight up dude and I don’t mean to cast aspersions on u directly it just seems with Palmer that it’s crossing over into character assassination territory with now getting into this ‘Palmer’s dumb’ stuff.
I was just pointing out that his Wonderlic was 26, which as u say is about average probably. That was in response to someone who had said he was dumb as evidenced by his score on that. So I looked it up at that point.
Interesting that Cutler had a 26 too, which surprised me since it was assumed he was this realy smart guy since he went to Vanderbilt.
I’m not saying the Wonderlic is the end all be all of how “smart” a person is either, but someone had referred to it as proof Palmer was dumb that’s all.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:17 am
It is part of my hope, certainly a hunch, and plenty of internet “leaks” and “tweets” that say we are both enarmored with him (we were publicly linked to scouting almost every WVU game, even when they played James Madison) and not all that enamored with Carson.
Just makes too much sense. New regime, new coach, they wanted THEIR HC, their DC, their players, and surely THEIR QB is up next.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:19 am
I don’t think Palmer is dumb.
But I do think he lacks leadership qualities that wills teams to wins.
And that isn’t really a major knock either, we are talking about the elite of the elite leaders in football that can do that.
I want one of those.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:22 am
I think of the 4th down play, where he got stepped on, and fell down.
NOt his fault, I think that was a Briesel special.
But he just layed there. There was an awkward about two seconds where nobody touched him, he layed there, hesitated, thought of getting up, and then it was too late.
Then walked to the sidelines, shoulders slumped, bad body-language.
Brady would have got up to at least one knee and flung it somewhere, and then ripped his OG a new one.
No piss and vinegar when we really need it.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:24 am
973.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:06 am
Within a month, he will be the greatest prospect ever to land on the face of earth, in any sport, in any era.
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After reading the out of control hyperbole about his only game this season, for example, “he maximized the potential of our WRs (WRs caught passes for 95 yards, 4 for 80 by rod streater alone, our starters had 3 catches for 14 yards) or he spread the ball all over the field (hmm… 3 wrs 1 te and 1 rb caught passes. 150 total yards, 13 receptions) or how rainbows shot out of his finger tips and the football turned everything in its path to solid gold, I gave him the name ‘The Legend’. It is the only thing I will call him on here.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:24 am
Get ready for the “Al Davis is alive and well” jokes from the pundits if we go with Smith at # 3.
I was listening to Chicago sports radio and they were having a field day literally laughing at the idiocy of KC doing it at # 1. “Is Andy Reid INSANE?” said the host.
I guess we’re used to it as Raider fans..just sayin’.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:26 am
980.guest123 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:15 am
Ed Teach,
I notice the passion in Priesttj’s words. It’s personal for him. I don’t think he is analyzing this from a larger scope. What’s best for the Raiders org. He seems more concerned for Pryor’s future than the Raiders.
I’ve always said, what’s best for the Raiders is what I support. If Pryor is the better QB, he will have my full support.
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Agree 100%.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:26 am
I mean, we have seen the highlight where Brady HAD THAT HAPPEN and completed a pass from his keester.
Granted that is a tough place to compare Palmer too, one of the best leaders in football in the last 20 years.
I wouldn’t have been mad if he started to get up and got hit, or tried to throw a pass and one-hopped a guy.
But lay there??? Can’t get behind that.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:27 am
guest123 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:15 am
Ed Teach,
I notice the passion in Priesttj’s words. It’s personal for him. I don’t think he is analyzing this from a larger scope. What’s best for the Raiders org. He seems more concerned for Pryor’s future than the Raiders.
I’ve always said, what’s best for the Raiders is what I support. If Pryor is the better QB, he will have my full support.
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Well said. That’s where I’m at with this as well.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:28 am
Get ready for the “Al Davis is alive and well” jokes from the pundits if we go with Smith at # 3.
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I really don’t think that would be the case, unless Geno just bombs his Pro Day.
A team without a long-term QB, “The Legend” aside for a moment, getting the top QB at #3???
What’s wrong with that? I think the Draft TV crew will applaud it honestly.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:19 am
I don’t think Palmer is dumb.
But I do think he lacks leadership qualities that wills teams to wins.
And that isn’t really a major knock either, we are talking about the elite of the elite leaders in football that can do that.
I want one of those
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So do the fans of at least 27 other teams.
BTW, if you want to see leadership, purchase NFL Rewind and watch early in game one after our rookie Streater agonizingly fumbles the ball after a long pass… watch who is the first one down field to help him up.
Carson Palmer.
The people that hate CP never see things like this for some reason. EVER.
I think its because they are pissed about the trade.
Or even more stupidly, they want a black QB to be playing.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:32 am
Hate to say it, but no way TP would have layed there either.
Not the reason we lost the game, or anything like that, but a snapshot as to why his last two full seasons went 4-12, IMO.
Bengals got rid of him got better, Raiders got him and got worse.
He has to own AT LEAST some of that.
And he ain’t getting any younger, and the arm doesn’t appear to be getting stronger.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:35 am
The people that hate CP never see things like this for some reason. EVER.
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I don’t “hate” Carson Palmer. I was excited when we picked him up. If he is starting, I will root like hell for him. He is a master at the two minute offense, probably one of the best in the NFL.
I just thought he would be better, and by the end of the year, he was underthrowing balls and then got hurt.
Not the best momentum to carry onto to the next season.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:35 am
BTW, JFB.. do you have a job? You post like 400 times here seemingly 24 hours a day.
Is this your idea of national recognition or something?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:38 am
National recognition!!!
Am I famous?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:40 am
The Bengals added a bunch of pieces AND got rid of 2 of the most cancerous players in the league, not just Palmer. Thats how they got better. You don’t think Palmer would be winning under the conditions that Dalton is playing with? Top 10 defense, one of the leagues best WR’s. Come on man…
February 15th, 2013 at 6:41 am
NOT FAMOUS JFB,INFAMOUS …:)
February 15th, 2013 at 6:41 am
Hindsight is easy when we look at it from today’s standpoint in regard to the Palmer trade. “Ill advised”, “horrible trade”, etc. etc. but u have to look at what was going on at the time.
We had just come off the 1st non losing season in 7 yr’s, closing out 2010 with a dominating win over the playoff bound Chiefs and we, and the Raiders were looking like we were finally turning the corner at 7-4 and a great shot at even getting better down the stretch. JC goes down, Boller comes in and all that hope and expectation goes out the window.
Hue then gets the QB who appeared to be the best QB out there and hopes and dreams restored..for some of us.
Hue just couldn’t stand to have all that hope and promise go lost in the blink of an eye.
I remember right after that trade NFLN did a piece asking if Raiders w/ Palmer were now a strong SB candidate?
How far we’ve fallen from that moment, but when you look at the timing and context of how the trade happened…it looks a little different.
Heck, if we make defensive stop vs. SD at their 1/2 yd. line the trade would’ve looked good….Palmer the hero who saved the Raiders and gave us our first winning season and playoff appearence in 8 yr’s.
Context.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:42 am
You don’t think Palmer would be winning under the conditions that Dalton is playing with? Top 10 defense, one of the leagues best WR’s. Come on man…
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You never know, I think Dalton is pretty good.
Carson got stale there, and they needed some freshness.
Code Freshness!!!!!
February 15th, 2013 at 6:42 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Wow, only now I am able to get in!!! WTF???
February 15th, 2013 at 6:44 am
Hue just couldn’t stand to have all that hope and promise go lost in the blink of an eye.
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Hindsight is 20/20, and clearly what the Bears did by just rolling with the backup seems like the better plan now.
Think we gave up too much to get him, but I am not really “mad” at the trade.
QB is sooooooo important, you got to keep firing bullets until you get one.
Hence, why I like Geno at #3.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:38 am
National recognition!!!
Am I famous?
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I dunno what you are thinking. Maybe you think you get paid by the post?
All I know is you sure like the looks of your posts here… blog forum narcissism?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:50 am
You know what they say about sentences that begin with “All I know is……”
February 15th, 2013 at 6:57 am
Don’t remember where I heard this or seen this from, but is Dallas really considering trading up to #3?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Cant believe reggie gave branch a contract for 9.5 mil this year..wow..add that to the Seymour decision and he really made some rookie mistakes. hope he learned, he has alot to prove this year.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:12 am
IF Reggie were to opt for Geno at # 3 it his a HUGE risk for his entire career.
Coming off of all the criticism of bad draft picks we’ve had under Al Davis if Geno were to bust and have a bad yr. Reggie is history.
IF he were to do this, you do it to have Geno start day 1. If he’s good enough to draft at # 3 he’s good enought to start and will be expected to WIN…just like the other top QB draftees from last yr.
When Reggie says he’s gonna build this “the right way” they better be darn sure that Geno is a franchise QB. There seems to be a lot of debate whether that’s true.
As it stands right now, Geno is no slam dunk…or even close to the hype or expectation RG3 and Luck had.
It could change as we go throught the combine and pro day of course, but here’s the thing. If the hype gets to fever pitch on him than KC is taking him anyway.
I wouldn’t get too excited about getting him.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Oh god why?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:15 am
I don’t think KC wants a rookie with Reid, he will be looking for a vet or at least someone like Foles who he already worked with for one full season and training camp, etc.
I see KC drafting Joeckel, and face-planting.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Actually Branch’s cap# this year is 10.9 mill. 6mil Salary 1.4 mill signing bonus 3.5 mill roster bonus. Branch may actually end up a cap casualty. It would only cost us 4.2 mil towards the cap to cut him, a 6.7 mill cap savings. Cut him and sign Laron Landry, who is seeking about 6 mill a year….
February 15th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Hell no to drafting geno. We already have two capable qbs. Palmer is way better than Dalton. Dalton is average on a good team.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:31 am
The sky really is falling!
February 15th, 2013 at 7:39 am
1011.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:31 am
The sky really is falling!
It fell already! What the heck…it was bound to happen
February 15th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Dalton’s team was 4-12 the year before he got there.
They drafted Green (stud) and Dalton, and got crap else the rest of the draft besides an average guard who started 3 games.
They added Bruce Gradkowski, Thomas Howard and Pacman Jones in FA. Leon Hall missed almost half the season.
I am not seeing much roster turnover from one year to the next. Some 2nd year guys did emerge, I will cede that.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:42 am
POST-1006,WELL SAID..
February 15th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Id guess its
1. Smith
2. Joeckel
February 15th, 2013 at 7:45 am
IF Reggie were to opt for Geno at # 3 it his a HUGE risk for his entire career.
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I would say it is even riskier to pay a 33 year old QB fresh off a 4-12 season, $13 million a year.
If the Raiders pay Carson that, and go along the lines of 4-12 to 6-10 again, Reggie will probably be fired.
If he goes the same record, with a rookie QB who shows a tad of promise, he probably won’t be.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:46 am
1009. Thats what id like to do
February 15th, 2013 at 7:49 am
GOOD MORNING NATION!!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 15th, 2013 at 7:52 am
1018.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:49 am
GOOD MORNING NATION!!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
What’s up Mike?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
same ole dog poop Hwnrdr.
hows life in sunny California this morning ?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
I am not seeing much roster turnover from one year to the next. Some 2nd year guys did emerge, I will cede that.
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2010 Bengals: Total Defense 16th, Scoring defense 23rd, Pass defense 14th, Rush defense 19th, Sacks 27th
2011 Bengals: Total Defense 7th, Rush Defense 10th, Scoring defense 9th, pass defense 9th, sacks 5th
You see… their defense DRASTICALLY improved from 2010 to 2011… bigger difference in their improvement that just getting rid of Carson Palmer if you ask me.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:58 am
tottaly off subject but that meteor hitting in russia is scary stuff!
February 15th, 2013 at 7:59 am
It is sunny finally here in the Bay! LOL…all good though bro! 3 day weekend coming up…gonna enjoy it!!!
February 15th, 2013 at 8:03 am
Dump branch kelly cp3 dhb seymour slowlando huff and lech.. lets go get clowney.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Palmer vs. Pryor vs. Gino. Hmmm. Don’t see any of them getting more than 6 wins next year. Gino is probably the best long-term, but we gotta get the d-line fixed first. Oh yeah and the little thing about having no CB’s.
At least it’ll be a nice sunny day in Alameda, and the niners still lost the SB. Not all bad.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:10 am
It flew past russia. But the shock wave injured like 600 ppl. A giant should pass by in a day or 2 I believe. And another giant flew between us and the moon on December 12th.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:11 am
You see… their defense DRASTICALLY improved from 2010 to 2011… bigger difference in their improvement that just getting rid of Carson Palmer if you ask me.
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Never said it was all on Carson, but maybe the defense was a little more stoked since their new QB cut his turnovers almost in half from the previous guy.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:20 am
MY MOCK DRAFT:
Note – Trade down to mid-1st, maybe StL if Joeckel’s there; Pick up additional 2nd + 4th
1. ALEX OKAFOR, DE, TEXAS, 6-5, 260
Strengths (via NFLDraftScout.com): Displays strong hand play, chopping away at his opponents’ attempts to get their hands on his chest or using an effective arm-over swim move to slip by them. High-revving motor. Arrived at the Senior Bowl leaner. Good overall athlete. Most impressive attribute is his power. Okafor can knock opponents onto their heels on his way to the quarterback and also sets the edge nicely as a run defender. Okafor’s ability to make plays against the run and pass makes him arguably the most well-rounded senior defensive end in the country.
2) TRAVIS KELCE, TE, CINCINNATI, 6-5, 260
Strengths: Balanced athlete with better wheels than expected, accelerating quickly to top speed. Deceiving quickness after the catch with loose hips and a fluid and flexible frame. Smooth and patient in his routes to release and gain separation. Catches the ball with his hands and does a nice job working back to the ball. Strong hands at the point of attack as a blocker and plays with a mean streak to eliminate defenders. Aggressive and feisty blocker who loves to finish, showing good awareness in this area to pick up his assignment and block anyone around him. Led the Bearcats in receiving in 2012 and more than tripled his career production. Works hard in the weight room and plays with NFL intensity. NFL bloodlines as the younger brother of Philadelphia Eagles center Jason Kelce.
3) JON BOSTIC, MLB, FLORIDA, 6-1, 246
Instinctive, physical football player who doesn’t back down from a challenge. Reads the action well and is faster to the ball than he might appear on the track. Closes with aggression, bringing his hips and driving through the ball-carrier to flash the ability to make the big hit. Seems to enjoy the physicality of the game, rushing to take on fullbacks and pulling linemen. Does a nice job of keeping square and taking on blocks aggressively, rarely losing ground. Slides off blocks to make the tackle if the ball-carrier gets close. Good strength for the drag down tackle. Keeps his eyes on the quarterback when dropping into coverage and shows some understanding of route development, slipping into holes to thwart passing opportunities. Good ball skills for the position. Times his blitzes well. Natural special teams candidate due to his aggression, physicality. Vocal team leader.
4) TYRANN MATHIEU, CB, LSU, 5-9, 180
Strengths: Plays bigger than his size. Doesn’t back from the physical challenge of lining up opposite taller wideouts and is actually more effective the closer he is to the line of scrimmage, demonstrating stellar instincts and awareness to avoid blocks and make plays in close quarters. Possesses excellent lateral agility and acceleration which gives him the ability to close quickly on the ball. Is a tenacious defender with strong, active hands to rip the ball away. Excellent ball skills. Minimizes his natural height disadvantage by timing his leap well in jump-ball situations and competing throughout the catch process, ripping away at the ball as he and the intended receiver are descending. Naturally plucks the ball out of the air and secures it quickly. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder. Quick feet, fluid hips and a legitimate second gear make him very effective in coverage, especially on shorter routes. Dynamic returner with a flair for the dramatic. Has demonstrated the ability to play well on the big stage against elite competition.
4) ACE SANDERS, WR, SOUTH CAROLINA, 5-8, 176
Strengths: Extremely dangerous with the ball in his hands. Possesses excellent stop-start quickness and lateral agility to elude making him a nightmare to tackle in the open field. Explosive initial acceleration. Excellent vision and feel for setting up his blocks. Patient, creative runner who is always a threat to go back against the grain. Good straight-line speed and shows a late burst to pull away. Shows the ability to pluck the ball from outside of his frame. Tracks the ball well over his shoulder and shows good hand-eye coordination and timing to make the diving grab. Good toughness and concentration to handle slot responsibilities. Fights through arm tackles and is tough to tackle due to his naturally low center of gravity. Doesn’t back down to the size and physicality over the middle. Good bloodlines; son of former NFL defensive back Tracy Sanders.
6) RICK WAGNER, OT, WISCONSIN, 6-6, 310
Strengths: Naturally large man with the long-limbs (33 1/2″ arms) scouts are looking for at tackle. Flashes good initial quickness and gains good depth on his kick-slide when in pass protection. Best attribute might be his quickness and technique as a run blocker. Quick enough to turn and seal off defenders, creating large rushing lanes and can be a imposing force when releasing to the second level. Has seen starting action at both left and right tackle. Signed with Wisconsin as a walk-on and is therefore used to having to prove himself. Showed his toughness in 2012, missing limited time to a knee injury and competing at the Senior Bowl, as well.
Film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfTIrb3AQjM
7) MESHAK WILLIAMS, DE, KANSAS STATE, 6-2, 250
Analysis: DE Meshak Williams disrupted opponents like no other Kansas State defender. He ranked second in the Big 12 with 8 1/2 sacks and forced three fumbles. The senior has steadily become more of a factor off the edge with each game, using his active playing style to get past blockers and blow up the backfield.
Williams has good initial burst off the snap and closes quickly in pursuit, recognizing run or pass. Listed at just 6-3 and 245 pounds, he lacks an ideal frame, but does a nice job using his limbs to take on blocks and use different arm and hand techniques to get past the initial blocker to be a factor in the play. Williams will be a candidate to be a stand-up rush linebacker at the next level, but he plays a tad tight when asked to drop and play in space.
7) SEAN RENFREE, QB, DUKE, 6-4, 225
Analysis: Renfree is a traditional drop back passer and looks the part with a tall, filled out frame. He has a strong arm to easily make all the throws and does a nice job working through his progressions to find the open target. Renfree shows excellent chemistry with his receivers and is a confident thrower, never appearing shy to take chances downfield. And it won’t hurt that his collegiate head coach is the same offensive mind that mentored Peyton and Eli Manning.
Latest news: When Duke quarterback Sean Renfree was hit as he threw his final collegiate pass, which resulted in an interception, he stayed down on the field for a few minutes. He went straight from Bank of America Stadium to a hospital, and Friday afternoon Duke announced he had undergone successful surgery on his torn right pectoralis major muscle, the biggest chest muscle.
While he is expected to make a full recovery, that process will take about six months. That means the redshirt senior won’t compete in any pre-NFL Draft workouts, which makes the chances he will be drafted extremely slim.
Duke head coach David Cutcliffe spent several minutes with Renfree and his father after Duke’s 48-34 loss to Cincinnati in the Belk Bowl. When Cutcliffe met with the media, he said Renfree’s work ethic matched that of his most famous prot??g??s, Peyton and Eli Manning. “Anybody in the national football league or collegiately that does not want Sean Renfree in their locker room would be out of their mind.”
Renfree set several Belk Bowl records in his final college game, including pass attempts (49), completions (37) and passing yards (358). For his career, Renfree finished 898-of-1,389 for 9,465 yards with 51 touchdowns and 40 interceptions. He is the most accurate passer in Duke history.
Note: Posted this earlier with YouTube highlights of most of these guys, but it got rejected because of those links. But they’re out there for most of these guys except for Bostic and the two 7th rounders.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:21 am
1016.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:45 am
IF Reggie were to opt for Geno at # 3 it his a HUGE risk for his entire career.
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I would say it is even riskier to pay a 33 year old QB fresh off a 4-12 season, $13 million a year.
If the Raiders pay Carson that, and go along the lines of 4-12 to 6-10 again, Reggie will probably be fired.
If he goes the same record, with a rookie QB who shows a tad of promise, he probably won’t be.
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I mean in terms of how Reggie is judged. Nobody’s gonna fault Reggie keeping Palmer (media etc.) when Reggie was left with him from previous regime and they gave up so much for him. Any new GM will be more judged on how he drafts and the players he acquires once he takes over. In other words, Palmer is not on Reggie per se in the perception, at least not as much as his first ever 1st rd. selection would be.
To bust on yet another high 1st round pick would be yet another huge hit to the organization and to Reggie building it “the right way” as he says.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:22 am
1021.bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 am
I am not seeing much roster turnover from one year to the next. Some 2nd year guys did emerge, I will cede that.
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2010 Bengals: Total Defense 16th, Scoring defense 23rd, Pass defense 14th, Rush defense 19th, Sacks 27th
2011 Bengals: Total Defense 7th, Rush Defense 10th, Scoring defense 9th, pass defense 9th, sacks 5th
You see… their defense DRASTICALLY improved from 2010 to 2011… bigger difference in their improvement that just getting rid of Carson Palmer if you ask me.
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That A.J Green guy is pretty good too! I mean he isn’t in the same class of receivers as DHB, but he is pretty good.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:25 am
1022.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:58 am
tottaly off subject but that meteor hitting in russia is scary stuff!
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Breaking News:
Barry Soetoro, aka Bar@ck Ob@ma, was seen this morning in prostration performing S@lah in the White House Rose Garden and a short time later he was seen running down Pennsylvania Avenue yelling out that he is a citizen of Keny@.
Is there something about this oncoming asteroid that Washington D.C. isn’t telling us?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Hypothetically, how good would a Geno Smith make us right away?
If you say “not that great cuz our roster sucks” than you’re acknowledging that Palmer did not have much to work with in 2012.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:28 am
1031.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:25 am
1022.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 7:58 am
tottaly off subject but that meteor hitting in russia is scary stuff!
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Breaking News:
Barry Soetoro, aka Bar@ck Ob@ma, was seen this morning in prostration performing S@lah in the White House Rose Garden and a short time later he was seen running down Pennsylvania Avenue yelling out that he is a citizen of Keny@.
Is there something about this oncoming asteroid that Washington D.C. isn’t telling us?
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I forget, why does Raider O call you “white Devil” again?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:29 am
…figure in that we now forego getting the stud d-lineman in lieu of Geno and only some marginal free agent talent.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:32 am
1026.Marks hair Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:10 am
It flew past russia. But the shock wave injured like 600 ppl. A giant should pass by in a day or 2 I believe. And another giant flew between us and the moon on December 12th.
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2012DA14 is to fly by us in a few hours…will only miss us by about 15K miles….the moon is 240K miles away from us, so that shows how close this thing really will be to us…..maybe Earth’s gravity will grab it and suck it right back at us?
Woot!
February 15th, 2013 at 8:32 am
LOL, Dam Dakota…
February 15th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Whoever is the QB, will increase our win total from last year.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am
@Just Fire Baby
Can you recommend any betting sites where I can lay some money down that the asteroid will hit?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Nobody’s gonna fault Reggie keeping Palmer (media etc.) when Reggie was left with him from previous regime and they gave up so much for him.
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Really?
I have ALREADY heard media pundits heckle us, and thus him, for last season with Carson.
ANOTHER year with Carson with less than 8 wins and Reggie will be the laughinstock of the NFL.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:38 am
The meteorite that passed over Russia was only the size of a kitchen table, and look at the damage it caused….2012DA14 is the size of an Olympic swimming pool….so just imagine the damage that would do….and we are depending on the same guys who messed up the metric conversion that resulted in the destruction of a $125 million dollar Mars orbiter to be the ones who are claiming that we are all safe…..food for thought.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:38 am
maybe Earth’s gravity will grab it and suck it right back at us?
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there is no gravity… earth sucks !! lol lol
February 15th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Horrible Bosses: Bengals’ Mike Brown
Originally Published: August 17, 2011
By Rick Reilly | ESPN.com
Rick Reilly is the 11-time National Sportswriter of the Year.
In this episode of “Horrible Bosses,” we feature the owner of the Cincinnati Bengals, Mike Brown, and his mission to make everybody who works for him wish they had become podiatrists instead.
Brown’s football career peaked upon birth. He was born the son of legendary football genius Paul Brown and has done zilch to remind anybody of him since.
Here’s how bad it is working for Brown: His best and most honorable player, Pro Bowl quarterback Carson Palmer, is vowing to walk away from $46 million rather than work another day in Brown’s prison stripes.
“Carson just finally got fed up,” says a close friend of Palmer. “He’s just sick of the same 5,000 mistakes the franchise repeats every year. He’s tired of wallowing in mediocrity. He won’t ever talk about it, but that’s how he feels. He’s a very tolerant guy, but when he gets pushed over the line, he gets mad and doesn’t go back. He’d love to play, he’s dying to play, but he’s never going to play there.”
Yes, Palmer has four years left on his nine-year, $118 million deal. You signed the contract, you say. Live up to it. In fact, that’s what Brown has said. “He gave his word. … He’s going to walk away from his commitment. We aren’t going to reward him for doing
it.”
Palmer, meanwhile, has left large portions of his body on the field for Brown. His nasty ACL and MCL tear in a 2006 playoff game, his ripped elbow in ‘08. He’s worked alongside fools and pretenders, and all under an owner who could make the ‘72 Dolphins mediocre. And he’s done it all without a single discouraging word about an owner who invented discouragement.
Of course, Brown has made such a vomitorium out of this team that, if he gave into Palmer now, he might open Pandora’s box. He’d have a line down the hall and all the way to Starbucks of guys who want out.
But Brown is a hypocrite. He has cut hundreds of players before their contract was up and given them nothing. Why should Palmer live up to a deal that works only one way? If Palmer should suddenly go blind, would Brown still give him the money? Are you kidding? Brown is cheaper than your local Goodwill.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6866409/horrible-bosses-cincinnati-bengals-owner-mike-brown
February 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am
1040.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:38 am
The meteorite that passed over Russia was only the size of a kitchen table, and look at the damage it caused….2012DA14 is the size of an Olympic swimming pool….so just imagine the damage that would do….and we are depending on the same guys who messed up the metric conversion that resulted in the destruction of a $125 million dollar Mars orbiter to be the ones who are claiming that we are all safe…..food for thought.
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I am reading the Dead Man’s Hand, cold war stories…I was just thinking if the metorite hit 30 years it couple have started a nuclear holocaust.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am
LOL at “nobody’s going to fault Reggie”.
Newsflash, Mark Davis has already flirted with hiring a boss for Reggie, thus reducing his power.
Another sub-par season, and Reggie is toast.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am
We bomb ppl so much russia imediatly blamed the us calling it a secret weapon..
February 15th, 2013 at 8:42 am
The world is going to end.
Burn as many trees as you can!!!!
Good morning Nation and Green Party.
Good day Mr. ODB.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
I forget, why does Raider O call you “white Devil” again?
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Ran out of monkey adjectives.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
I heard da14 will fly closer than some of our satellites. It could wipe out a few. Or just hit us.. their predictions are always off.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:42 am
The world is going to end.
Burn as many trees as you can!!!!
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I might burn a bush or two in a minute…
February 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
I forget, why does Raider O call you “white Devil” again?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Because he is White and he is a devil. lol
February 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:44 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
I forget, why does Raider O call you “white Devil” again?
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Ran out of monkey adjectives.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Never!!
February 15th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Good morning, O.
Good morning, Nation.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Is there any countdown clock for the asteroid?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Yeah Chris, I really like Meshak Williams….ALOT…. But I’m betting he’s gone before the 7th
February 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am
1046.Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:42 am
The world is going to end.
Burn as many trees as you can!!!!
Good morning Nation and Green Party.
Good day Mr. ODB.
I know right?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Is there any countdown clock for the asteroid?
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Noon ET: NASA plans to start streaming near-real-time imagery of the asteroid’s flyby, as provided by telescopes in Australia and Europe, weather permitting. Watch JPL video on Ustream.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am
During the Fiesta Bowl, all I kept hearing was Meshak Williams, Meshak Williams, Meshak Williams….
The dude was all over the place. Like a 1 man show, making plays all night on Oregon. I was getting sick of that dude (I’m an Oregon fan). I’d be stoked to draft him though.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:53 am
GB releasing C Wood!
February 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am
JFB.. do you have a job? You post like 400 times here seemingly 24 hours a day.
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looks like Gdog ran out of material. this is the first sign of defeat.
change the subject, insult & make it personal
basically saying “hey JFB, you’re right about Carson Palmer … but i’m gonna keep fighting rather than admit I was wrong!”
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
1054.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Is there any countdown clock for the asteroid?
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When the asteroid 2012 DA14 makes its closest pass to Earth – projected to happen at 2:24 p.m. EST Friday
About an hour and a half from now.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Should I wait until 1 more asteroid hits before I start going into doomsday mode?
Or should I round up he fam now and start heading aimlessly towards nowhere?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am
What are you going to do RRS?
BTW, what does having a job have to do with things? I would think having a job and posting a lot is better than not having a job and posting.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Scratch that….2.5 hours from now….my math sucks as bad as the guys at NASA.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Mr. V.P…
good morning sir !!
i get out of work in 25 minutes and will start
a forest fire !!!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:04 am
2013DVAG20 will do a flyby of Alameda next fall but gravity and an excess of estrogen will pull him toward the IR. Again.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:05 am
Man that asteroid is hauling a$$. Might be difficult to dodge
February 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Scratch that….2.5 hours from now….my math sucks as bad as the guys at NASA.
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?? but the east coast is 3 hours ahead of you,
does that mean i missed it by a 1/2 hour ???
lol lol
February 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
DVAG = patent pending, btw.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
1062.J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Should I wait until 1 more asteroid hits before I start going into doomsday mode?
Or should I round up he fam now and start heading aimlessly towards nowhere?
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What was the story they told in Mall Rats? Something like an airplane was about to crash, so everyone grabbed their stuff and started rubbing one last one out…..but then the airplane righted itself and landed.
I recommend doing crazy stuff for the next 2.5 hours….just in case…..
February 15th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:07 am
DVAG = patent pending, btw
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Hopefully Olsen can turn DVAG into DMAN
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 am
The meteorite that passed over Russia was only the size of a kitchen table, and look at the damage it caused….2012DA14 is the size of an Olympic swimming pool….so just imagine the damage that would do….and we are depending on the same guys who messed up the metric conversion that resulted in the destruction of a $125 million dollar Mars orbiter to be the ones who are claiming that we are all safe…..food for thought.
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Oh, it would do some damage – No doubt……
But think about this…. The one that wiped out the dinosuars was 6 MILES in diameter. If we get impact today, I don’t think it’s an “Extinction Level Event”
Even if it struck, it would be on the other side of the globe, and most likely in the water.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:11 am
1061.J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Should I wait until 1 more asteroid hits before I start going into doomsday mode?
Or should I round up he fam now and start heading aimlessly towards nowhere?
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Remember hoard your food and eat the neighbors first!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Thankfully Reg doesn’t rely on Hillrod Scouting and Pawn, LLC like Al did in 08.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Even if it struck, it would be on the other side of the globe, and most likely in the water.
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I believe it’s supposed to be over Europe at it’s closest point. In any case North America is not in it’s trajectory
February 15th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Those crazy monkeys on “doomsday preppers” were right. Prepare yourself.
Grow your own trees, buy a lot of munchies, and buy weapons to protect your trees and munchies.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:18 am
what does having a job have to do with things? I would think having a job and posting a lot is better than not having a job and posting
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JFB,
I respect a man that works & provides for his family. If you’re able to blog and still get your job done – more power to ya!
It’s the guys that sit here and point fingers while blogging the same amount as you, who either live with parents or let the wife support the family. It’s either that or they are on unemployment or disability.
I wouldn’t take it personal man. Just consider the source. Life doesn’t always work out the way we planned, but to be hateful to fellow bloggers for having a different opinion than you is just beyond ridiculous imo
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Remember hoard your food and eat the neighbors first!
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?? the neighbors or the neighbors food ??
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
SR Raider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Even if it struck, it would be on the other side of the globe, and most likely in the water.
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I believe it’s supposed to be over Europe at it’s closest point. In any case North America is not in it’s trajectory
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Too bad. I was hoping it will hit Mich aka the ghetto state.
Damn you Mich!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Should I wait until 1 more asteroid hits before I start going into doomsday mode?
Or should I round up he fam now and start heading aimlessly towards nowhere?
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LOL, J.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:20 am
I’m watching a live feed now…..It looks like it’s just cruising on by. It’s pretty bright though. Looks bigger than a satelite
February 15th, 2013 at 9:21 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Remember hoard your food and eat the neighbors first!
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?? the neighbors or the neighbors food ??
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ROFL
Save yourselves and eat your neighbors!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:21 am
BSJ,
should I repost your pro-McFadden comments from before, during and after draft day when you were excited that the Raiders selected “DVAG” ??
February 15th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Remember hoard your food and eat the neighbors first!
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I think I’ll start off with some fish before I go canabal, lol.
Got plenty of rods and line in the doomsday pack!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:22 am
Well, I’m all prepped for a decent sized garden this year. Next on the list is getting gun training for the wife and I, then a gun. Better not come after my food when the chit hits the fan.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Garden?
All you needs is guns and ammo.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:26 am
It should be more afraid of global warming WEN THAR is not enough food to feed everybody on earth that’sWEN the battle of the Armageddon will come WE got about 200 300 years depending on the population growth it took until 1800 to get 1 billion people on earth were now approaching 3 billion I rather talk about the Raiders than this sad bull ship the biggest threat to the Earth is Homo sapiens ////////////
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
1077.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Remember hoard your food and eat the neighbors first!
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?? the neighbors or the neighbors food ??
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Well maybe the food, I am too lazy for all the preparation it would take to eat the neighbors.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Garden?
All you needs is guns and ammo
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Gotta have some smoke, too. Hence the garden. Although gunpowder is intoxicating in it’s own way
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Lol, O. Yes, garden, because I don’t trust food grown by someone else. GMO seeds, toxic pesticides, etc.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Didn’t happen RRS
February 15th, 2013 at 9:28 am
theghostronin79 Says:
The meteorite that passed over Russia was only the size of a kitchen table, and look at the damage it caused….2012DA14 is the size of an Olympic swimming pool….so just imagine the damage that would do….and we are depending on the same guys who messed up the metric conversion that resulted in the destruction of a $125 million dollar Mars orbiter to be the ones who are claiming that we are all safe…..food for thought.
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Don’t forget one of the most expensive telescope mirrors ever polished and due to be the least accessible, The Hubble. At the outset, someone forgot to convert from metric to standard and they spent years grinding and polishing the wrong curve and then launched it.
The corrector lens they then fabricated did the job, needed a special shuttle flight to deliver, but can you say, oops?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
If you have guns and ammo, you can smoke your neighbors.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Garden?
All you needs is guns and ammo.
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False.
chicken, pigs, cows, goats, etc
better live near a water source, too. have a well or live near a laker or river and purify your own
RRS always prepared for anything
February 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am
1044.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am
LOL at “nobody’s going to fault Reggie”.
Newsflash, Mark Davis has already flirted with hiring a boss for Reggie, thus reducing his power.
Another sub-par season, and Reggie is toast.
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Like I said, in comparison to screwing up the 3rd pick in the draft.
Yes there will be criticism of Reggie if we suck this yr. and he may very well be out if we do.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
Well maybe the food, I am too lazy for all the preparation it would take to eat the neighbors
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Good jerky! What is it again?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Breaking news, Packers releasing Chuck Woodson!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
The Big Banana Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Lol, O. Yes, garden, because I don’t trust food grown by someone else. GMO seeds, toxic pesticides, etc.
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I don’t blame you. These bastards are killing us, and our gov (FDA) is helping them.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
willy91137, 6 billion, not 3.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Looks like we are not in the picture for Chuck…
“He’d like to go play for a contender, win another Super Bowl.”
February 15th, 2013 at 9:32 am
better live near a water source, too. have a well or live near a laker or river and purify your own
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Damit, RR. Why’d you have to harsh my buzz? Now I have to figure that out. Maybe I need to harvest rain water.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Garden?
All you needs is guns and ammo.
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False.
chicken, pigs, cows, goats, etc
better live near a water source, too. have a well or live near a laker or river and purify your own
RRS always prepared for anything
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Or
You can have lots of guns and ammo and take RRs Chickens, cows, and goats. You can keep the pigs.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:34 am
shrek mist be doing some serious aszs mooching in order to get DAs staff looks at the incoming draft…why else would they be elected to coach the senior bowl and run the combine drills?….no morecxcuses…
February 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Although CWood would be nice, there is no point at this time. Reggie needs to rebuild this team through the draft and that’s going to take at least 2 more years. None of the older guys, like CP, currently on the roster have a future with Oakland.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Also, uh the Rams are planning on releasing Titus Young 10 days after signing off waivers…WTF?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
I live in Cali, so I’m always prepared. I keep 20+ gallons of drinking water and enough food to last 2+ weeks.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 am
The Big Banana Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Lol, O. Yes, garden, because I don’t trust food grown by someone else. GMO seeds, toxic pesticides, etc.
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I don’t blame you. These bastards are killing us, and our gov (FDA) is helping them.
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Yep, and FDA is helping because they are staffed by the very people that cause the problem. Big Ag and the FDA are like a big swinger org. They swap staff/lawyers.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am
O, 1105. Smart man.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:38 am
*orgy in post 1106, not org
February 15th, 2013 at 9:39 am
I’ll take RRS pigs if you don’t want them O.
I’ll eat damn near all of that bad boy.
Boil his head and use his lips, cheeks and lymph nodes and make some chorizo!!!!!!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:42 am
All this pork talk making me hungry. Time for some bacon
February 15th, 2013 at 9:43 am
Raider O Says:
You can have lots of guns and ammo and take RRs Chickens, cows, and goats. You can keep the pigs.
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Are llamas on your do not eat list?(camelid)
February 15th, 2013 at 9:45 am
chouriço/linguiça > chorizo
February 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Chico,
I rather eat crickets over pig. I can’t tolerate the smell of it.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am
WE got about 200 300 years depending on the population growth
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Population control is in full effect, man.
Cancer, flu shots, etc.
The world will be down to about 1000 people plus servants in 100 years or so.
Food supply won’t be an issue.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:48 am
1000? dayum reggies plan to use tarps is on the right track!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Lol, O. Yes, garden, because I don’t trust food grown by someone else. GMO seeds, toxic pesticides, etc.
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I remember my GMoms always had some okra, collards, andother stuff growing somewhere in here backyard.
Efen when she lived in the concrete jungle. She found a way to have some real scit going on.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Llama man,
I can eat Llama.
No pigs or carnivores except sea creatures.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
1114.Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Chico,
I rather eat crickets over pig. I can’t tolerate the smell of it.
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Pork is disgusting….I can only eat it if it is cooked to the consistency of leather.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am
it took until 1800 to get 1 billion people on earth were now approaching 3 billion I rather talk about the Raiders than this sad bull ship the biggest threat to the Earth is Homo sapiens
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Approaching 3 billion???? What year do you think it is bro? CHINA has 3 billion people. Planet Earth is just shy of 7 billion people.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am
1120.bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:53 am
it took until 1800 to get 1 billion people on earth were now approaching 3 billion I rather talk about the Raiders than this sad bull ship the biggest threat to the Earth is Homo sapiens
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Approaching 3 billion???? What year do you think it is bro? CHINA has 3 billion people. Planet Earth is just shy of 7 billion people.
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LOL
February 15th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:35 am
I live in Cali, so I’m always prepared. I keep 20+ gallons of drinking water and enough food to last 2+ weeks.
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Hey O!
Have you been already in the “Preppers” TV Show?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Food supply won’t be an issue.
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Food supply is the issue and will be the cause of the population control you speak of. They’re poisoning you, folks.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
That meteorite was traveling at about 33K miles per hour….Al would have drafted it.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don’t eat pork.
Vincent: Are you J wish?
Jules: Nah, I ain’t J wish, I just don’t dig on swine, that’s all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don’t eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I’d never know ’cause I wouldn’t eat the filthy mother fcker. Pigs sleep and root in sh1t. That’s a filthy animal. I ain’t eat nothin’ that ain’t got sense enough to disregard its own feces.
Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
Jules: I don’t eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn’t go so far as to call a dog filthy but they’re definitely dirty. But, a dog’s got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we’d have to be talkin’ about one charming mother fckin’ pig. I mean he’d have to be ten times more charmin’ than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I’m sayin’?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
How can you not like bacon?
I can put that stuff on just about anything. Any sandwich, burger, salad, in my brussel sprouts, on top of more pork, in my eggs. Hell, that BK bacon sundae is pretty damn good!!!
You People!!!!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:01 am
877.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Interesting Article if TRUE
NFL Wants Raiders To Find Talent In 2013 Draft
by Chris Shellcroft
NFL Wants Raiders To Find Talent In 2013 Draft
Losing has its benefits…I guess. Dennis Allen endured a brutal baptism as a first year NFL head coach but he made it through and is poised to take a second spin on the NFL rollercoaster.
Improving starts with getting more talent in positions of need and the swap meet of pro football that is the NFL Draft is certainly a great place to start. Of course nothing is guaranteed in the draft but the more opportunities a team gets to evaluate potential prospects the better the odds are of avoiding another JaMistake.
Perhaps the NFL wants the Raiders to avoid the pitfalls of the draft that have plagued them in recent years (at least in the first round of said draft). First Allen and his staff were fortunate enough to coach at the Senior Bowl giving them access to many top prospects via a week of practice. Now the league is giving those same coaches yet another chance to see future NFL talent up close and personal.
The Raiders have announced via Twitter (these clearly are no longer your Al Davis Raiders) that their coaches will be conducting drills at the NFL Scouting Combine. That means the Raiders’ staff will be hands on with many of the players they’ve only previously seen on tape. It also means they’ll get to see firsthand how future Raiders go about their business in the biggest job interview a football player will ever go through.
Of course none of this guarantees the Raiders will find a future Hall of Famer but it certainly helps in the weeeding out process.
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It better help DA and his insane clown posse.
McK and his scouts better be on the ball.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:02 am
There will be mandatory abortions and sterilizations, and a drop dead age of about 70 years old, at which point you will be euthanized, in China and India by 2030.
They cannot sustain that population growth.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:51 am
1114.Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Chico,
I rather eat crickets over pig. I can’t tolerate the smell of it.
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Pork is disgusting….I can only eat it if it is cooked to the consistency of leather.
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You guys have clearly never tried Black Iberian Pig. My wife, who hates pork, LOVES the stuff. You’ve never tasted anything so succulent and flavorful.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
No pigs or carnivores except sea creatures.
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All that BS goes out the window when we get to doomsday mode.
Heck, I might even eat some damn Chitlins and hot sauce, lol.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Hey O!
Have you been already in the “Preppers” TV Show?
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No bro. They don’t like crazy and hairy Arab/ Muslim with little food and water and a lot of guns and ammo. It scares people.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:04 am
1126.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
How can you not like bacon?
I can put that stuff on just about anything. Any sandwich, burger, salad, in my brussel sprouts, on top of more pork, in my eggs. Hell, that BK bacon sundae is pretty damn good!!!
You People!!!!
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My bad, Bacon is great….I am thinking more along the lines of pork chops and pork tenderloin. All the parasites in it….I have to see that crap burned through in order to stomach it.
Bacon is clearly cooked through and it still tastes great.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:05 am
No bro. They don’t like crazy and hairy Arab/ Muslim with little food and water and a lot of guns and ammo. It scares people.
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I got scared just reading this
February 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:03 am
No pigs or carnivores except sea creatures.
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All that BS goes out the window when we get to doomsday mode.
Heck, I might even eat some damn Chitlins and hot sauce, lol.
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I’m allowed to eat/ drink anything (pork, blood, alcohol, etc..) to survive.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Not a big chop guy, but love a pork tenderloin.
Parasites??? Ahh..you just crap them out later.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:07 am
1135.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Not a big chop guy, but love a pork tenderloin.
Parasites??? Ahh..you just crap them out later.
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Unless it is 24′ long!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Tried to post that six times. Fixed the MFer right off. Then I worried about J wish. No go. copied to a word processor, then copied from there, No go. Played with MFer a little more. No go. Read it real closely and said ’sh1t, I missed the sh1t’.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Chico,
I like Turkey Bacon.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Mock drafts so rough to do right before combine and workouts but here I go
1st Round: Damonte Moore DE Texas A&M
Raiders lack pass rush at the edges and Moore is the best bet at RDE in a 4-3 base defense
3rd Round: Phillip Thomas S Fresno State
Play maker with ball hawking skills. Raiders havent had good play from FS in a decade
4th Round: Jon Bostic LB Florida
Tough nosed inside LB who was a leader on a top ranked defense. Sure tackler and can shed blocks
6th Round: Matt Brown QB Illinois State
4 year QB with quick release and good accuracy and good NFL size
7th Round: Demetrius McCray CB Appalachian State
Straight up cover corner who can pickoff passes. Will be overlooked but having good size and excellent speed can land him a roster spot
Of course this mock may change if we get a compensatory pick somewhere or we make a trade
I’d love to have SDSU TE Gavin Escobar in mid rounds if he is available
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Asteroid survival kit:
1. Bacon. Check
2. Fresh water. Check
3. Trees. Check
4. Guns and ammo. Check
5. Full tank of gas. Check
Interestingly enough, this is the same list for NFL draft weekend.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
I think they should bring in Peyton Hillis to reunite with DMC. It would be a cheap and effective way for a big back to compliment DMC.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Except for beer. Definitely need beer for the draft
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
Unless it is 24′ long!
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If it’s 24′ long, you cut it up and cook it before you eat it.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Draft beer?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
847.aig-raiders Says:
February 14th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
That Oline in 2010 was ballin. They demolished Den and SD that year.
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Yep.
Going to pure ZBS and losing Satele and adding Brisiel…..hurt.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Chico,
I like Turkey Bacon.
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Me too…..no pork on my fork
February 15th, 2013 at 10:10 am
You guys have clearly never tried Black Iberian Pig. My wife, who hates pork, LOVES the stuff. You’ve never tasted anything so succulent and flavorful.
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I never heard of it. I will google it.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Where is that Fauria guy from UCLA supposed to go.
Got to say, in the few games I watched he was pretty damn impressive.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Pork is disgusting
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It’s foul
February 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Lol Llama man. I like pulp fiction
Jewish.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Not available here, O. At least not that I’m aware of. If it is, it will probably cost an arm and half a leg.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Approaching 3 billion???? What year do you think it is bro? CHINA has 3 billion people. Planet Earth is just shy of 7 billion people.
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LMFAO
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Escobar and the guy from UCLA are my favorite TEs this draft. 3rd -4th round prospects.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Chorizo and green chile in your eggs is greatness.
If you can throw a linguica link or two in the mix off to the side……….
February 15th, 2013 at 10:15 am
1143.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
Unless it is 24′ long!
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If it’s 24′ long, you cut it up and cook it before you eat it.
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You eat tape worms?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Who i think raiders should target in free agency:
Delanie Walker TE:
great blocker, hard nosed, can do a lot, matchup problem, not the greatest hands, but does a lot. got overshadowed by VD. upgrade over myers imo at probably a lesser price.
Larry Grant LB:
Played outside in a 4-3 with Ohio state and St. Louis, played inside in a 3-4 with SF. hard hitter against the run, ok in pass coverage, filled in nicely for P. willis when he was hurt niners didn’t really lose much outside of p willy being great in pass coverage n grant being avg. will come pretty cheap because he is a backup and might want to go somewhere where he can be a starter or at least compete. bay area guy
Tracey Porter CB:
injuries a concer, other than that the guy is a baller and a playmaker when he is on the field. will come cheap because he is coming off a yr where he didn’t play much.
LaRon Landry S:
Hard hitter, big tackler, will be an upgrade in coverage from what we have had recently. will probably be the most expensive guy to get on the list at a position we already have people at, although i like the thought of keeping huff at corner, personally.
Alan Branch DT:
Big run stuffer but can play every down. beast. don’t know how much it would cost to get him here though, or if he would be willing to leave a title contender for us, unlikely, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
what do y’all think are some guys we should go after in FA?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:16 am
They took me downtown to the station
to classify me there
because of over population
they told me that I would soon be dead
Year 3000 blues
Ten Years After
February 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
I’m off pork, finally, lol.
I won’t bash it though. Bacon is heaven sent! Ahhh, the aroma!
Going to be interesting to see if I can keep my soup coolers off the homey’s ribs this summer.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
1149.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Pork is disgusting
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It’s foul
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but it isn’t fowl.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
I think they should bring in Peyton Hillis to reunite with DMC. It would be a cheap and effective way for a big back to compliment DMC
February 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
SR Raider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Asteroid survival kit:
1. Bacon. Check
2. Fresh water. Check
3. Trees. Check
4. Guns and ammo. Check
5. Full tank of gas. Check
Interestingly enough, this is the same list for NFL draft weekend.
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Why do you need guns, ammo, and a full tank of gas for the draft?
LOL
You People….
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
My bad, Bacon is great….I am thinking more along the lines of pork chops and pork tenderloin. All the parasites in it….I have to see that crap burned through in order to stomach it.
Bacon is clearly cooked through and it still tastes great.
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LoL. Cook a pork chop to 165 degrees and all the parasites (if there were any to begin with) will be gone. Chicken/poultry is FAR more dangerous than today’s pork. Trichinosis (the most common associate parasite with pig) has almost completely been eradicated from the US, with only and average of 11 cases a year being reported, with a majority of those cases actually being traced to eating wild animals (bears, foxes etc) rather than pigs.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Dakota Says:
You eat tape worms?
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I’m a nematodarian.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
I have Henry Melton at the top of my FA wish list.
One of the best, if not THE best, interior pass-rusher in the NFL.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
The live feed of the asteroid on CNN.com would be much cooler if they played a soundtrack with it.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Chorizo and green chile in your eggs is greatness.
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Fvck yeah!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
SI did a stat from the 2011 season, of what pass-rushers got the most QB pressures per total pass-rushing snaps in the NFL.
Melton was #1 in the NFL, for any position.
When you watch Bears games, he is constantly blowing things up in the backfield.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:21 am
1163.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Dakota Says:
You eat tape worms?
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I’m a nematodarian.
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Don’t worry, I am sure there is a cure for that.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1164.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
The live feed of the asteroid on CNN.com would be much cooler if they played a soundtrack with it.
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I would close my eyes, just to hear your heart beating…
February 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
1169.bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1164.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
The live feed of the asteroid on CNN.com would be much cooler if they played a soundtrack with it.
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I would close my eyes, just to hear your heart beating…
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I’m leavin on a jet plane….don’t know when I’ll be back again…
February 15th, 2013 at 10:25 am
1166.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:20 am
SI did a stat from the 2011 season, of what pass-rushers got the most QB pressures per total pass-rushing snaps in the NFL.
Melton was #1 in the NFL, for any position.
When you watch Bears games, he is constantly blowing things up in the backfield.
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2010 Israel Adonije lead the same category. Its because most of the focus is on Peppers.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
1169.bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1164.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
The live feed of the asteroid on CNN.com would be much cooler if they played a soundtrack with it.
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I would close my eyes, just to hear your heart beating…
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I’m leavin on a jet plane….don’t know when I’ll be back again…
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Star Wars
February 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dr. Jerry Buss on his death bed…..now that is an owner who will be missed.
Godspeed good Dr.!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Its because most of the focus is on Peppers.
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NO doubt that helps, but from the interiorer?
I can see sliding the TE or RB over so the G-C-G guys don’t have much backup, but Melton is demolishing the guy in front of him snap after snap.
I think it will translate without Peppers.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:30 am
1172.The Big Banana Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:24 am
1169.bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1164.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 am
The live feed of the asteroid on CNN.com would be much cooler if they played a soundtrack with it.
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I would close my eyes, just to hear your heart beating…
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I’m leavin on a jet plane….don’t know when I’ll be back again…
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Star Wars
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2001
boom boom boom boom boom boom boooooooooom
February 15th, 2013 at 10:35 am
1172.Dakota Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Dr. Jerry Buss on his death bed…..now that is an owner who will be missed.
Godspeed good Dr.!
Yup!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am
Dr Buss is an owner with a legacy! A legend! I was sorry to hear that! Prayers to the Buss family!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:39 am
I’m not sold on Melton. I think D Bryant and L Houston can do the same if they had the same level of talent around them.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Not to be insensitive, but the old man is going out at the right time; the Lakers are in shambles right now.
To paraphrase another Laker legend, there is no Jello jiggling anywhere in LA these days.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Ok, Reggie.. get THIS guy and let our TE that can catch passes but cannot block Olive Oil go…
From PFF:
5. Delanie Walker
2012 Grade: +6.0
2012 Snaps: 589
Summary: If you want a receiving tight end, Walker isn’t your man, as his nine regular season drops tied for third-most in 2012. However, if you want a tight end for the purpose of run blocking, then Walker is your man. He is one of just three tight ends to maintain above a run block rating above +5.0 in each of the past three years, and his +10.7 run block rating was second in the league in 2012.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
So Titus Young already getting released 10 days later??? WOW!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:42 am
SF will let Walker go?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Bring back C-Wood! and release Huff so we bring the number 24 back to respectability
February 15th, 2013 at 10:43 am
1180.hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
So Titus Young already getting released 10 days later??? WOW!
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Forcing a second team to release you in just 2 weeks is probably going to be a career killer for that ignorant fool.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:44 am
1178.papertiger418 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Not to be insensitive, but the old man is going out at the right time; the Lakers are in shambles right now.
To paraphrase another Laker legend, there is no Jello jiggling anywhere in LA these days.
I agree, but it also could be that his family is in shambles as well! Jeannie is not talking to Jim, and probably for good reason!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Pass on Woody & Young!!
dump McClain & Goethel immediately…
February 15th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I’m not sold on Melton. I think D Bryant and L Houston can do the same if they had the same level of talent around them.
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O,
I agree. Replacing Seymour & Kelly with Melton & Bilukidi sounds like a recipe for disaster!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:55 am
RR,
My draft options:
1- DT: Star
2- DE/ OLB: Moore
3- trade down
February 15th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Houston should start at UT…but Bryant is not a starter…he is a backup…albeit a good one….he should be the 3rd DT….come in on pass rushing downs and play big DE in goaline situations
February 15th, 2013 at 10:59 am
you don’t need to pay top dollar for a DT to get production.
you can find a fat slug space eater for 25 cents in free agency. Jones & Branch from Seattle top the list of available DT’s. Knighton & Melton will be expensive too imo
Isaac Sopoaga & Sammie Lee Hill would do just fine. Those guys plus Desmond & Christo means we’re set at DT in my eyes
February 15th, 2013 at 10:59 am
J Hill Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:17 am
I’m off pork, finally, lol.
I won’t bash it though. Bacon is heaven sent! Ahhh, the aroma!
Going to be interesting to see if I can keep my soup coolers off the homey’s ribs this summer.
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Stay away from it bruh……thats just waste…its not even meat! Not one fkin ounce of nutrition is in it
Smell is disgusting. I aint ate the swine in a long time and you dont miss it. Your homey’s ribs are nasty.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Alan Branch DT:
Big run stuffer but can play every down. beast. don’t know how much it would cost to get him here though, or if he would be willing to leave a title contender for us, unlikely, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try.
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I like Branch a lot. Too bad he is from Mich.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
RRS….yes! I wanted to draft Sammie Lee Hill a few years back….I’ll take him as a FA….it will mean we not signing Star and that we want Moore!
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Only 3 NTs in FA are Terrance Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill and Alan Branch….everyone else fuggin sux
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I think D Bryant and L Houston can do the same if they had the same level of talent around them.
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I don’t think either of those guys is an elite pass-rusher type.
Besides, I keep hearing about this move for Houston to in the inside, yet always see him on the edge, and even standing up as an OLB at times.
Seems he is going the other way.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I think D Bryant and L Houston can do the same if they had the same level of talent around them.
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I don’t think either of those guys is an elite pass-rusher type.
Besides, I keep hearing about this move for Houston to in the inside, yet always see him on the edge, and even standing up as an OLB at times.
Seems he is going the other way.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am
O,
trade down TWICE in RD1 … then take the best available pass rusher or CB (our two biggest needs)
February 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am
I’m reading D Moore in some circles is considered more of a mid 1st rounder.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am
1- DT: Star
3- DE: Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
4- CB: Leon McFadden (if available) or OLB: Jamie Collins
February 15th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Wish we would have grabbed Red Bryant whatever year he was in the draft.
Dude changes a few games a year simply on blocking kicks.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 am
I think D Bryant and L Houston can do the same if they had the same level of talent around them.
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I don’t think either of those guys is an elite pass-rusher type.
Besides, I keep hearing about this move for Houston to in the inside, yet always see him on the edge, and even standing up as an OLB at times.
Seems he is going the other way.
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Houston’s days are done at LDE….last year at my cousin’s wedding I asked him why he isnt inside…he told me because of the vet guys that are in front of him. Well those two bums are gone and he brute strength and relentless motor will be better used at UT. Also dont forget his is very stout vs the run when plays directed at him. Bryant on other hand is a UT as well but better not start at NT or we are doing the same bs again thinking we will get a better result
February 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am
bcz24 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 am
My bad, Bacon is great….I am thinking more along the lines of pork chops and pork tenderloin. All the parasites in it….I have to see that crap burned through in order to stomach it.
Bacon is clearly cooked through and it still tastes great.
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LoL. Cook a pork chop to 165 degrees and all the parasites (if there were any to begin with) will be gone. Chicken/poultry is FAR more dangerous than today’s pork. Trichinosis (the most common associate parasite with pig) has almost completely been eradicated from the US, with only and average of 11 cases a year being reported, with a majority of those cases actually being traced to eating wild animals (bears, foxes etc) rather than pigs.
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Yes, I think the Trichinosis boom was in the 80´s.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am
I am thinking TK will be packaged very much like Kirk MOrrison was, where we use him and say a 5th rounder to get a 4th rounder.
Basically a chip to move up 20 or so picks in the mid round.
You think we could give him, our 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder, for New Englands late 1st?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am
I’m reading D Moore in some circles is considered more of a mid 1st rounder.
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That’s tragic is Raiders follow that and pass up on him for a loser like Werner or a 3-4 olb like Mingo
February 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Houston will need to add all that weight he lost back on if he is going inside.
Seems like he played well last year whatever he was playing, I would rather build on that than start moving parts around AGAIN.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am
I am thinking TK will be packaged very much like Kirk MOrrison was, where we use him and say a 5th rounder to get a 4th rounder.
Basically a chip to move up 20 or so picks in the mid round.
You think we could give him, our 3rd rounder and a 6th rounder, for New Englands late 1st?
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HAHA no one wants to trade for loser Tommy Kelly
February 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Geno or Milner at #3, is the way I read it.
At least at this stage, plenty of draft fodder in the months ahead to change that.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:07 am
Houston will need to add all that weight he lost back on if he is going inside.
Seems like he played well last year whatever he was playing, I would rather build on that than start moving parts around AGAIN.
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Wow leave it up to be Vegas to be satisfied with no pass rush from the edges lol….and you guys wonder why we still stinkin it up. DEs need to be some sort of threat rushing the QB….Houston aint quick enough…..inside he would be better suited….I think he is a bordeline pro bowl UT
Houston is 6′3 305…..how much weight does a UT need to add?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:10 am
I had a friend in the HS with Trichinosis and we named him Trichy Trichy. Well, he started naming him self that way. That´s why i remember it was in the 80´s.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Geno or Milner at #3, is the way I read it.
At least at this stage, plenty of draft fodder in the months ahead to change that.
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So you saying we will blow another draft…..yeah great moves by Raiders if this is the case
February 15th, 2013 at 11:17 am
I really like the idea of trading down TWICE in the 1st round. We could be in position to pick up Dion Jordan in the 1st, grab Short from Purdue in the 2nd, and get Meshak Williams in the later rounds…..
That could be solid.
All three of those guys are just under the cusp of “IMPACT” status…. Not scrubs at all.
Or spend our #3 on a hopeful “IMPACT” guy and then wait till the 3rd.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:17 am
I really like the idea of trading down TWICE in the 1st round. We could be in position to pick up Dion Jordan in the 1st, grab Short from Purdue in the 2nd, and get Meshak Williams in the later rounds…..
That could be solid.
All three of those guys are just under the cusp of “IMPACT” status…. Not scrubs at all.
Or spend our #3 on a hopeful “IMPACT” guy and then wait till the 3rd.
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If we could fleece someone in a trade down….im all for it…Moore is my fav guy at 3 but to get a 2nd in this draft would be ideal…..Rams wants OL help in worse way….if Joeckel is there at 3 you think they give up something?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:24 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Wish we would have grabbed Red Bryant whatever year he was in the draft.
Dude changes a few games a year simply on blocking kicks.
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New wave Hendricks?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Look at what SD got from Franklin and what Baltimore got from Kemoeatu.
those guys signed 1-year vet minimum contracts, didn’t they?
Reggie has to be trying to do the same… go cheap and get production
February 15th, 2013 at 11:27 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
Yes, I think the Trichinosis boom was in the 80´s.
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Dam. I missed another boom?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
February 15th, 2013 at 11:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Look at what SD got from Franklin and what Baltimore got from Kemoeatu.
those guys signed 1-year vet minimum contracts, didn’t they?
Reggie has to be trying to do the same… go cheap and get production
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you cant get that from knighton, hill or branchas run stuffer?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:32 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
I mentioned this one earlier B, but I heard somewhere that Jerry Jones wants our #3
February 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
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what would it say if we traded our 1st and our 3rd for their two firsts and a second? probably not gona happen huh? hahaha i wish it would tho that would pretty much be a perfect scenario
February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 am
star was the focus of opposing defenses and they couldn’t stop him, constant double coverage.
Houston Star Bryant is a heckuva line in the 3-4 add the best pass rushing olb in the 3rd and we’re on to something
February 15th, 2013 at 11:39 am
The asteroid missed us…..guess this means I better get back to work.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:32 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
I mentioned this one earlier B, but I heard somewhere that Jerry Jones wants our #3
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Great minds think alike! You are a Sag just like me….you have your Filipina woman in order just like me….so no shock your football mind is at work
February 15th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Jerry Jones huh?
He’s a great candidate for the “Fleecing”
“Give ‘em whutever Thay Wawnt. Just git me that numba 3 you Sum Bich’z…. Gitter DONE.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Inonewordraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 am
star was the focus of opposing defenses and they couldn’t stop him, constant double coverage.
Houston Star Bryant is a heckuva line in the 3-4 add the best pass rushing olb in the 3rd and we’re on to something
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Do we keep McClain then? Put him in the position he had success with at Ala. in the 3/4 behind a stout line?
Considering it’s gonna cost alot just to cut or release him and see if we can get anything positive outta him?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I wonder who or what Jerry is willing to give us though?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
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what would it say if we traded our 1st and our 3rd for their two firsts and a second? probably not gona happen huh? hahaha i wish it would tho that would pretty much be a perfect scenario
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Actually…..the 3rd pick is 2200…i think I said 2000 earlier
So 16th pick is 1000
22nd pick is 780
46th pick is 440
That comes to 2220
If Rams saw guy they felt could put them into playoff convo they may bite….Joeckel would be their preferred guy
February 15th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I wonder who or what Jerry is willing to give us though?
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Would have to this year’s first for sure and maybe next year’s as well or a player added to it to balance out
February 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am
1225.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
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what would it say if we traded our 1st and our 3rd for their two firsts and a second? probably not gona happen huh? hahaha i wish it would tho that would pretty much be a perfect scenario
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Actually…..the 3rd pick is 2200…i think I said 2000 earlier
So 16th pick is 1000
22nd pick is 780
46th pick is 440
That comes to 2220
If Rams saw guy they felt could put them into playoff convo they may bite….Joeckel would be their preferred guy
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So just hope the chiefs don’t get foles from Philly, or any other qb in FA, and draft Geno Smith.. probably best case scenario
February 15th, 2013 at 11:54 am
The asteroid missed us…..guess this means I better get back to work.
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the next ones are headed for Michigan & Illinois!!
February 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:52 am
1225.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:47 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:34 am
1215.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:29 am
I remember last month proposing trading the number 3 pick tot the Rams for both of their first rounders….some said that wouldnt hold but according to draft value chart…I’m not off at all
3rd pick in draft value is 2000 points….do you know what equals that for the Rams picks?
both of their first and a 3rd
If they really want Joeckel or maybe even the Fisher kid so bad at Tackle why not do it Reggie you fkin dummy
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what would it say if we traded our 1st and our 3rd for their two firsts and a second? probably not gona happen huh? hahaha i wish it would tho that would pretty much be a perfect scenario
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Actually…..the 3rd pick is 2200…i think I said 2000 earlier
So 16th pick is 1000
22nd pick is 780
46th pick is 440
That comes to 2220
If Rams saw guy they felt could put them into playoff convo they may bite….Joeckel would be their preferred guy
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So just hope the chiefs don’t get foles from Philly, or any other qb in FA, and draft Geno Smith.. probably best case scenario
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Yeah very much true about Foles to KC. But still do you know of Andy Reid will take a OT so high. I’ve never seen him draft a tackle in first round…..first time for everything maybe
February 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am
1226.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I wonder who or what Jerry is willing to give us though?
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Would have to this year’s first for sure and maybe next year’s as well or a player added to it to balance out
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for dallas to move from 18 to 3 the would probably have to give up 2 first rounders and at least one second rounder, probably more…thats a big jump.
when atlanta jumped from 27th to 6th they gave up 5 picks a 1st,2nd,4th in that years draft and a 1st and 4th rnd pick in the next yrs draft
when washington traded up from 6th to 2nd they gave up a kings ransom 3 first rnd picks (2012,2013,2014) and a 2nd round pick in that same draft.
I could see us getting something similar to this depending on the jump a team wants to take.
February 15th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Honestly I see the Chiefs trading out of number 1 spot
February 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am
1226.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I wonder who or what Jerry is willing to give us though?
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Would have to this year’s first for sure and maybe next year’s as well or a player added to it to balance out
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for dallas to move from 18 to 3 the would probably have to give up 2 first rounders and at least one second rounder, probably more…thats a big jump.
when atlanta jumped from 27th to 6th they gave up 5 picks a 1st,2nd,4th in that years draft and a 1st and 4th rnd pick in the next yrs draft
when washington traded up from 6th to 2nd they gave up a kings ransom 3 first rnd picks (2012,2013,2014) and a 2nd round pick in that same draft.
I could see us getting something similar to this depending on the jump a team wants to take.
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And if thats the plan then let’s go for it. I got a host of players who I see in mid rounds that can help us big time
February 15th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
1232.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:59 am
1226.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I wonder who or what Jerry is willing to give us though?
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Would have to this year’s first for sure and maybe next year’s as well or a player added to it to balance out
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for dallas to move from 18 to 3 the would probably have to give up 2 first rounders and at least one second rounder, probably more…thats a big jump.
when atlanta jumped from 27th to 6th they gave up 5 picks a 1st,2nd,4th in that years draft and a 1st and 4th rnd pick in the next yrs draft
when washington traded up from 6th to 2nd they gave up a kings ransom 3 first rnd picks (2012,2013,2014) and a 2nd round pick in that same draft.
I could see us getting something similar to this depending on the jump a team wants to take.
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And if thats the plan then let’s go for it. I got a host of players who I see in mid rounds that can help us big time
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and having two first rounders next yr would be pretty nice also if it were possible
February 15th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Come back home Charles!
February 15th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Draft value chart is a good guideline to check and see if you’re about to do something stupid. You may decide to do it anyway. Doesn’t force anybody to trade with you. Nothing is worth more than what you can get for it.
It’d be mighty interesting if, based on the value chart, everybody got to force,say, three trades the week before the draft. Round robin.
February 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Charles Woodson vs Matt Giordano ?
February 15th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Draft value chart is a good guideline to check and see if you’re about to do something stupid. You may decide to do it anyway. Doesn’t force anybody to trade with you. Nothing is worth more than what you can get for it.
It’d be mighty interesting if, based on the value chart, everybody got to force,say, three trades the week before the draft. Round robin.
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We gotta keep all options on table
February 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Charles Woodson vs Matt Giordano ?
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LOL Hayes…..he’s hilarious
Yeah such a matchup eh?
February 15th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Meant to post this a couple days ago. Very interesting.
Almost to in depth, but worth skimming.
An alternative approach to draft slot value
By NinjaGoro on Feb 9, 7:11a
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/9/3970438/an-approach-to-draft-slot-value
February 15th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
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