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Palmer or Pryor? Raiders keeping open mind

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, February 13th, 2013 at 2:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Call it the Colin Kaepernick Effect, due diligence or just plain curiosity, but the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
General manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are steadfast in their stance that Palmer is the odds-on candidate to be the starter once again.
However, it sounds more and more as if Pryor at least will receive a much-longer look than anyone likely envisioned as recently as two months ago.
“In visiting with Dennis and Reggie, I know Reggie’s made the statement that there will always be competition,” Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson said Wednesday. “There has to be competition at every position.
“I don’t ever think you hand anyone a position from season to season or year to year. … We’ll go forward with the direction that the organization sees fit. If they want competition, we’ll have competition.”
Part of that open-mindedness owes to Pryor playing well enough in his one start last season. The other part comes as a result of Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson taking the league by storm the past two seasons.
Of that quartet, Pryor seems most comparable to Kaepernick based on their builds, speed and skill set. Even so, Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.
“We’d like to find that out,” Olson said. “What’s different about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game. They feel great about him as a passer. So he’s a guy that plays full time. It’s not as if they bring him in for a package or a play or two.”
Olson said it’s incumbent upon he and the Raiders discovering whether Pryor can be more than a player that gets featured in a package of plays designed to take advantage of his running ability.
That means seeing if Pryor can flourish in all facets of the game and not just someone that catches defenses off guard in some sort of Wildcat package.
“That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.”
Pryor started Oakland’s final regular-season game last season and showed enough to warrant closer scrutiny during offseason mini camps, training camp and exhibition games.
Palmer, 33, passed for more than 4,000 yards last season before he suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers. He is under contract through 2016.
Third-year player Pryor has two more years left on his rookie contract. The Raiders don’t have any other quarterbacks on their roster right now. Matt Leinart, the primary backup last season, is an unrestricted free agent.

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  • rudegruden

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
    Well we can all agree to disagree because the bottom line is that Reggie will make some moves in March that will grossly affect what we target in the draft in April. We talking all this stuff about QBs like Geno Smith and whoever the hell is out there and come March Reggie might have Matt Flynn at a presser taking questions from Jerry wearing a BBQ stained shirt.

    —————
    hahahaha

  • RaiderRetribution

    I see Raiders trading down with Seattle in the mid rounds, they have ten draft picks and don’t want all of them.

  • Gdog

    dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    lechler is history.

    at qb, it’s palmer, pryor, and likely a vet. possibly a rookie.

    >>>>

    Don’t many/most teams carry just two QBs on squad?

    I’m guessing over half…

    Lechler is toast. He was actually one of the bottom rated punters in some categories last year (cough POOCH KICKS.)

    He had a nice ride with us…

  • rudegruden

    Buckeyeraider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.

    Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.

    During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.

    The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.

    Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.

    —————
    I wouldn’t have a problem with that either. Its a bad year for a #3 pick. Either way if we can’t trade down (which would be difficult), we are probably over drafting someone.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Most assume Lechler will go elsewhere because of how much he was making here. But he’s a free agent and I think he knows he already got his big payday. He’s not gonna get offered that much any where else at his age, I wouldn’t think, so why not stay here?
    He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass. King might have trade value, probably does, and, really, as good as he is, what are the chances we’d be letting the next Ray Guy/ Shane Lechler get away.
    I don’t think it’s a no brainer, that’s for sure.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm

    367.rudegruden Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.

    ———-
    The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?

    Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.

    If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.

    It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…
    ==========================================

    I agree that we need to find a franchise Q. There is just a couple of problems with this draft. lst off this is a poor crop of Q’s. There is not an Andrew Luck or RGIII in this draft. It is a good crop of defensive linemen tho, and we need defensive linemen more than we need a Q right now. 2ndly, if we draft say Geno Smith at third overall, and surround him with garbage, he is almost certainly doomed to fail, which happens to a lot of Q’s that are drafted onto bad teams. That would set this franchise back even further which is absolutely catastrophic to think about.
    Now, a lot can happen between now and April. If McKenzie could trade down say, he might be able to get Jonathan Hankins at say 10th or 12th and possibly pick up a 3rd rounder in the process. Then with that extra pick, maybe Dysert the Q from the Miami of Ohio would be a very good pick in that slot.

  • Gdog

    Buckeyeraider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm

    I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.

    Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.

    During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.

    The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.

    Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.

    >>>

    Please lawd… no CB or ANY defensive player at 3.

    They bust as often as not. Statistics prove it…

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Buckeyeraider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
    I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.

    Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.
    ============================================

    Milliner is probably the best corner in the draft, and we need corners. I don’t think he is a “game changing” corner tho, and wouldn’t spend a three on him.

  • dr_robert

    with no 2nd rounder, it’s a fairly obvious idea that the raiders could move down and pick up a 2nd round pick.

    however, if they feel they have a real gamechanger at #3, then they have to take him and move around in the mid and late rounds to accumulate extra picks.

    i don’t think u trade down unless u feel u can get just about the same player where u move down. that’s why u have grades and tiers.

    but it’s hard to get the same player at #9 or s, as u get at #3.

    i mean at #9, ur talking about getting “one of the better players in the draft”, but at #3, ur supposed to be getting “one of THE best”.

    i’m saying milliner.

    a top CB can make a BIG impact on ur defense.

    and DA and reggie are both defensive guys.

  • Gdog

    He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.

    >>>

    Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…

  • Gdog

    a top CB can make a BIG impact on ur defense.

    and DA and reggie are both defensive guys.

    >>>>

    My problem with CBs is they are either busts, or they take FOREVER to develop! Asum was hot-garbage for two solid years! Completely clueless. He’d prolly admit the same.

  • jackasspuria

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    You make excellent points on Shane returning.

    I would like Shane to end his career as a Raider, however, something in my mind says he won’t be back next season.

    I’ll go with McKenzie’s “my guy” mentality. I just don’t buy into McKenzie IR-ing King for nothing.

  • rudegruden

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
    ———————-
    This is my biggest fear by not having Shane around. I admit, Jano is my favorite player. However, he’s a head case. Any small change could have a domino effect, that includes changing the holder.

  • dr_robert

    i don’t think top CB’s bust nearly as much as DL. i think the reason is that when ur watching pass rushers (these are the bust-types), ur watching them against college OL, and u may like their measureables, but when it’s time to line up against nfl LT’s every week, it can get tuff.

    but with corners, u have their speed and athletic skills measured and u get to watch a lot of film of them on an island covering. u can really see what they look like covering wr’s. watch their hips turn, their ball skills, how well they DON’T fall for fake moves.

    are there really that many top ten cb’s that haven’t panned out as at least quality?

  • dr_robert

    Gdog Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.

    >>>

    Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…
    ********

    yeah. king could just end up being leverage.

  • rudegruden

    Dr_robert Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
    Gdog Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
    He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.

    >>>

    Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…
    ********

    yeah. king could just end up being leverage.

    ———–
    I think Shane is gone just based on what I’ve seen with Reggie.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I would be VERY surprised to see Lechler back.

  • Gdog

    rudegruden Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 pm

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm

    Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
    ———————-
    This is my biggest fear by not having Shane around. I admit, Jano is my favorite player. However, he’s a head case. Any small change could have a domino effect, that includes changing the holder.

    >>>>>

    Hmm, otoh, he’s such a veteran and got such a massive leg, I am not sure it would matter much. I can see Jano kicking 55 yarders for another ten years… seriously.

    Thanx Al!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    A well oiled team with lots of continuity across the board, especialy management and coaching can occasionly get lucky with a #3 QB, if the other two go down. That does not describe the Raiders. That’s why I’m serious about Shane as number 3. Frees up a roster spot and saves you the money of the #3, another 600,000. We lose Palmer and Pryor, we’re screwed anyway.

  • Gdog

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:59 pm

    I would be VERY surprised to see Lechler back.

    >>>>

    Yea.. I agree.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    I do have more faith in Pryor than some, though I think he’s a year away.

  • Gdog

    An enjoyable late night football ONLY chat without the usual garbage.

    Thanx guys and good night…

  • Buckeyeraider

    If Rolando is done in Silver & Black, as it appears he is, one intriguing possibility might be Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree. Maybe not @ 3, but if the Raiders trade back a few spots.

    Mel Kiper had him as his fastest riser, maybe passing his more heralded teammate OLB Jarvis Jones. They showed about 4 or 5 highlights. Gawd. This guy is a beast. sideline to sideline range. He doesn’t just tackle people, he tries to break them in half. Nasty.

    If any of you guys that are more tech savvy than I , would post a link to his youtube clip, I’d appreciate it. Dude looks impressive.

  • 504 Raider
  • 504 Raider

    Qgletree is very talented but small. Built like a Safety and plays like one too.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Buckeyeraider, just google Alec Ogletree video, and the green url address is the second line(www. etc.etc). Highlight that line(left click,drag cursor) Copy(right click,choose copy) than comeback to this tab and Paste(right click, choose paste)
    Copy and paste any site or window the same way by copying the address bar(www. again etc.)
    This site will occasionally not let you do it for some sites, but it usually works.
    Sorry if I went to basic, but you never know.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Buckeyeraider, by the way, when you paste it here in the comment box it wont appear blue or highlighted, but magically does when posted.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Detroit would be the ideal trade partner to garner a 2nd round pick; with Joeckel going to Kansas City, Detroit might be willing to give up that 2nd to get Fischer ahead of Philadelphia, or go after Miliner, they will not be drafting Star as they are deep at DT.

    So we could get either Star, Miliner, or Fischer; or Warmack or still one of the top DEs.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Raiders could possibly get a late 2nd or 3rd for Janokowski to a playoff contender; so don’t be too sure on him not going anywhere.

    Raiders need LBs more than we need. a FG kicker.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Man, they are on fire over at Silver and Black Pride. 9-10 posts a day, with a lot of good stuff.

  • mcfadden20.

    What’s good nation

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    Raiders could possibly get a late 2nd or 3rd for Janokowski to a playoff contender; so don’t be too sure on him not going anywhere.
    Raiders need LBs more than we need. a FG kicker.
    ====================================================

    That would suck. I’m not arguing, we need a whole lot of stuff more than kicker or punter. But it would still suck.
    Al appreciated the importance of the kicking game more and earlier than other GM’s, as witnessed by being the only one, I think, to spend a #1 on both punter and kicker. Having achieved something close to perfection in the current duo, I thought it would be a great tribute to keep them together as lifetime Raiders. Hell, throw Condo in there too, if he can last that long. Let ‘emall retire together. Too sentimental, I know. Another good tribute would be to win some damn games for a while and then another superbowl or three.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    It’s all good, Mcfadden20. Pleasent night in here to night. Dr_Rob is about to convert from being a Catholic to being a Protestant. Otherwise, as of midnight, he claims he will be giving up this blog for lent and won’t return ’till Easter. My money’s on conversion.

  • Buckeyeraider

    Thanks 504, Purvis.

    G’night fellas.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Buckeye went to bed without saying if he learned how to post a link. I’m hurt.

  • mcfadden20.

    Code black

  • lefty12

    In case you haven’t noticed we have a new post.

  • mcfadden20.

    Night purvis , nation

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