Palmer or Pryor? Raiders keeping open mind
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, February 13th, 2013 at 2:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Call it the Colin Kaepernick Effect, due diligence or just plain curiosity, but the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
General manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are steadfast in their stance that Palmer is the odds-on candidate to be the starter once again.
However, it sounds more and more as if Pryor at least will receive a much-longer look than anyone likely envisioned as recently as two months ago.
“In visiting with Dennis and Reggie, I know Reggie’s made the statement that there will always be competition,” Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson said Wednesday. “There has to be competition at every position.
“I don’t ever think you hand anyone a position from season to season or year to year. … We’ll go forward with the direction that the organization sees fit. If they want competition, we’ll have competition.”
Part of that open-mindedness owes to Pryor playing well enough in his one start last season. The other part comes as a result of Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson taking the league by storm the past two seasons.
Of that quartet, Pryor seems most comparable to Kaepernick based on their builds, speed and skill set. Even so, Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.
“We’d like to find that out,” Olson said. “What’s different about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game. They feel great about him as a passer. So he’s a guy that plays full time. It’s not as if they bring him in for a package or a play or two.”
Olson said it’s incumbent upon he and the Raiders discovering whether Pryor can be more than a player that gets featured in a package of plays designed to take advantage of his running ability.
That means seeing if Pryor can flourish in all facets of the game and not just someone that catches defenses off guard in some sort of Wildcat package.
“That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.”
Pryor started Oakland’s final regular-season game last season and showed enough to warrant closer scrutiny during offseason mini camps, training camp and exhibition games.
Palmer, 33, passed for more than 4,000 yards last season before he suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers. He is under contract through 2016.
Third-year player Pryor has two more years left on his rookie contract. The Raiders don’t have any other quarterbacks on their roster right now. Matt Leinart, the primary backup last season, is an unrestricted free agent.
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February 13th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
1st
February 13th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Remove rockstar form the blog…lol
February 13th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
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good news, Cork!
February 13th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Any news Corky?
February 13th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Thec,
remove your boy JFORD from the roster
smurfs need not apply!!
February 13th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
yo
February 13th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
We didn’t have to wait 5000 posts for a new topic! woo hoo!
February 13th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
From other thread…
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
GDog
It was also a talent issue especially on defense with all those 1 year contracts of people no one else wanted and people signed off other team’s practice squads etc…
If we get Palmer back and maybe get Wiz back to guard by drafting a center in the 3rd and possibly address RT with a guy like the RT for Detriot that is coming free we might just be a whole lot better on offense but defense? How much of a good defense is coaching? How much is it talent? How well can Tarver mask the weaknesses on this team?
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I don’t disagree there is a HUGE talent problem defensively (particularly in the secondary) that killed us the last three seasons. But look how getting coached up the last 4 or 5 games had them playing decent (not great.)
The offense I think will be better right out of the gate with Knapp gone. Addition by subtraction times 10.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Carrying over the talk about Pic Sixes should note two of the worst and overall leaders were Marino and Farve!
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
Palmer has a lot of pick sixes (about 18) but what is interesting many of them occured in his last year with Cin in 2010 (5 in one year!) and the Bengal blogs often talk about TO doing his own thing and Palmer throwing to spots when TO not there and bad things happening. The lack of discipline and unwillingness to make the team better drove Palmer to retire. Many in Cin actually at the time sided with Palmer over these problems.
With the Raiders he has had 2 Pick sixes each year which is about on par with his long term average. A QB that throws as much as Palmer did shoudl expect 2-3 Pic sixes a year especially if the running game is not working.
This all comes back to the fact that Palmer is probably an average to above avaerage NFL QB and if an OC can work around his limitations and build on his strengths you can definitely win with him.
Like I have said I do not think he is worth 13 million or a 15 million dollar cap hit. However cutting him only saves 9.7 million and if you sign a decent replacement you probably would give over half of that back so if he takes about a 4 million cut in pay it’s a win for all involved. He still gets good QB money and the Raiders save 4 million in cap space. Problem solved!
February 13th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Well, so far it sounds like Palmer will be on the Roster.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Gdog
Can’t disagree with that assessment in #8 hopefull for better in 13 but we need to keep some of our better players such as Bryant and Wheeler. In fact it should not cost too much to keep the defense in tact minus Seymour and Kelly and maybe add a piece or two at LB, on the line and in the Secondary.
If we can run I think Palmer would have a really good year next year and I think Pryor could become a very feared player when he steps on the field as a option type wildcat type player thown in at unexpected times.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Olson is very high on fullback Marcel Reece. Intends to use him as the third-down back at times.
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yes sir, we are off to a good start. Finally an OC sees what this couch potato has been screaming for the past 2 yrs. Find a way to get him the rock.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Pretty much EVERYTHING I have said. Palmer is the odds on fav to start.
They want to look at Pryor to see if he can pass, not just run.
Olson sounds very much like he’s counting on it being Palmer.
Reggie and Allen know its very likely to be Palmer.
They need to see accuracy and reading of defenses.
Pretty much what an nfl team in this situation does. Play with the established vet and explore whether ur young QB can play.
Get ready for the preseason peons. It’s gonna be beautiful.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Olson is very high on fullback Marcel Reece. Intends to use him as the third-down back at times.
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Lmao.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
sure doesnt sound like palmer is on the way out…rumors are that huff restructured….i wonder who reggie had do that for him…couldnt have been him.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Carrying over the talk about Pic Sixes should note two of the worst and overall leaders were Marino and Farve!
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473
Palmer has a lot of pick sixes (about 18) but what is interesting many of them occured in his last year with Cin in 2010 (5 in one year!) and the Bengal blogs often talk about TO doing his own thing and Palmer throwing to spots when TO not there and bad things happening. The lack of discipline and unwillingness to make the team better drove Palmer to retire. Many in Cin actually at the time sided with Palmer over these problems.
With the Raiders he has had 2 Pick sixes each year which is about on par with his long term average. A QB that throws as much as Palmer did shoudl expect 2-3 Pic sixes a year especially if the running game is not working.
This all comes back to the fact that Palmer is probably an average to above avaerage NFL QB and if an OC can work around his limitations and build on his strengths you can definitely win with him.
Like I have said I do not think he is worth 13 million or a 15 million dollar cap hit. However cutting him only saves 9.7 million and if you sign a decent replacement you probably would give over half of that back so if he takes about a 4 million cut in pay it’s a win for all involved. He still gets good QB money and the Raiders save 4 million in cap space. Problem solved!
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So you are saying half of Palmer’s pick sixes for his career came in his last 3 seasons? LOL
February 13th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Agree with the assessment of getting our Pro Bowler more touches. Palmer – in; a healthy (hopefully!) DMac – in; Bryant – in; Wheeler – in; Seymour – out; Kelly – out; Pryor – perhaps the future (beyond 2013)? I still say we should draft a quarterback in the fourth round, if someone like Landry Jones is still on the board.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Greg Olson is very high on fullback Marcel Reece. Intends to use him as the third-down back at times.
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yes sir, we are off to a good start. Finally an OC sees what this couch potato has been screaming for the past 2 yrs. Find a way to get him the rock.
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AIG!….long time bruh….I bet Cali treatin ya good these days eh?
Yesh I think Dmac/Reece should get bulk of carries….seems like a good duo….now we need a small scatback to complete the trio….can Taiwan please stand up?
February 13th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Raidertbone Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Agree with the assessment of getting our Pro Bowler more touches. Palmer – in; a healthy (hopefully!) DMac – in; Bryant – in; Wheeler – in; Seymour – out; Kelly – out; Pryor – perhaps the future (beyond 2013)? I still say we should draft a quarterback in the fourth round, if someone like Landry Jones is still on the board.
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I like that Baylor kid for some reason….he didnt get alot of hype because its rough being in RG3 shadow….but I thought he did well this year
February 13th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
olson…great idea to use reece but motion him out that way the defense has to worry about him and dmac…
olson also said that “time isnt afforded to nfl coaches…” exactly what the smarter bloggers on here gave been saying.
wants an attacking offense…so far sounds great, none of this take what the defense gives you lala krapp…
February 13th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
another OC named Greg. Not so sure he will do anything meaningful either.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
#17 No I am saying that although you must find the most daming way to look at it because that is how you are – selective and closed minded.
What I am saying is almost 1/3 of his pic sixes came in a season when he had a Reality Show WR tandem that could not hold on to work elsewhere after they left. 2 a year is about his average over his career. 22 TDs to 14 INts is pretty good as well. Also, I really don’t even know what to do with the 2011 year since he tried playing after being on a team 5 days after coming out of retirement. The KC game stats certaintly skews things a bit.
February 13th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
olson…great idea to use reece but motion him out that way the defense has to worry about him and dmac…
olson also said that “time isnt afforded to nfl coaches…” exactly what the smarter bloggers on here gave been saying.
wants an attacking offense…so far sounds great, none of this take what the defense gives you lala krapp…
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Patience lol….wasnt that what Knapp said?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
palmer has one 1/3 of his games in his career.
palmer has won 1/3 of his games as a raider
palmer has committed an average of 1.54 turn overs per game as a raider
Why would anyone think he is any good at all?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
#17 No I am saying that although you must find the most daming way to look at it because that is how you are – selective and closed minded.
What I am saying is almost 1/3 of his pic sixes came in a season when he had a Reality Show WR tandem that could not hold on to work elsewhere after they left. 2 a year is about his average over his career. 22 TDs to 14 INts is pretty good as well. Also, I really don’t even know what to do with the 2011 year since he tried playing after being on a team 5 days after coming out of retirement. The KC game stats certaintly skews things a bit.
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I love when you post OG….but Pick Six Palmer gettin no excuse package from me ever. As for the Diva WRs….big deal there….TO wasnt gonna find work due to being an old guy off an ACL injury…..Chad Johnson was on NE’s roster the full season the following year…just saying
22 TDs 14 Ints is not good when you lose 12 games in a season lol
He gets no pass for 2011 or that KC game….he decided to play right? He decided to quit before that and not be in training camp right? No excuses for USCgolden boy….he sucks
February 13th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Palmer may have “cut back” to 2 pic-6’s a year but he still seemed to choke at the most critical times. His big numbers make the coaches want to throw too much and then he chokes during clutch times.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
palmer has one 1/3 of his games in his career.
palmer has won 1/3 of his games as a raider
palmer has committed an average of 1.54 turn overs per game as a raider
Why would anyone think he is any good at all?
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37 Turnovers in 24 games is it? something like that…..no he isnt good at all….I mean if he turned it over alot of we led league in points I may be inclined to find an excuse for him….but we dont score TDs or enough points….we get scraped alot with him
February 13th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Missdick–are u going to deny saying these things?
1) u want to chop off the heads of ur enemies (kill them).
2) ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s” racist system.
3) those who classify themselves as white benefit from amerikkka’s racist system.
It’s in the archives. U know u said all three of the above.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
So where does Mcfaddin go on third downs when Reese is in the backfield?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Well said #28. He aint no Marino or Favre so don’t compare him to those guys.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
I find it hilarious that the tribune staff once reffered to those that advocated for pryor to start after the season was trash as ” some of the more radical members of the fan base”.
Only to come back today and parrot what i have been saying all along, about how the wave of the future is impacting the raiders and pryor!!!
HAHAHAHHAHAHA….. damn Im good
I should write for these guys, oh never mind, their propaganda spin will not allow honesty when it comes to the golden haired hero.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Semdaddy Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Palmer may have “cut back” to 2 pic-6’s a year but he still seemed to choke at the most critical times. His big numbers make the coaches want to throw too much and then he chokes during clutch times.
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And there you have it……cant be disputed at all
Palmer has 9 pick sixes and 50 INts in his last 3 years….how anyone can excuse that is amazing
Kerry Collins was 5-11 with 20 TDs and 12 INTs….did yall all clamor for him as a good damn QB? Dont contradict yourselves please
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Wide out J.Hill…wouldn’t that be cool! We need to mix it up, add some razzle dazzle! LOL
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
2) ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s” racist system.
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Pure lies
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
30.J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
So where does Mcfaddin go on third downs when Reese is in the backfield?
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Softest hands on the team, receiver?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Palmer and prior competing is the sensible thing. Drafting a quarterback like Geno Smith is borderline insane.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Missdick–are u going to deny saying these things?
1) u want to chop off the heads of ur enemies (kill them).
2) ur enemies are those that benefit from “amerikkka’s” racist system.
3) those who classify themselves as white benefit from amerikkka’s racist system.
It’s in the archives. U know u said all three of the above.
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Nevermind the racist stuff….but the missdick stuff is hilarious RobertaMR lol
February 13th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Nfl coaches think Palmer is good.
Nfl gms think Palmer is good.
Nfl talent evaluators of all kinds think Palmer is good.
I and several others here think Palmer is good.
Many of u idiots think he sucks.
Boo-ya!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
I never said he sucked, just chokes a little to much. I will give him average or so. He is real close to being real good, just cut the really bad chokes down.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Nfl coaches think Palmer is good.
Nfl gms think Palmer is good.
Nfl talent evaluators of all kinds think Palmer is good.
I and several others here think Palmer is good.
Many of u idiots think he sucks.
Boo-ya!
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And enough coaches,gms, talent evaluating people and people on blog think he is done….your argument holds nada
February 13th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Semdaddy Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
I never said he sucked, just chokes a little to much. I will give him average or so. He is real close to being real good, just cut the really bad chokes down.
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I say he sucks…..his career proved as much to me….been watching guy since he got out of HS…..same loser who lost some zip on his passes and isnt as mobile anymore
February 13th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
I can’t argue that. Sure hope TP gets his shot this year. Everyone is dying to see what he can do.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Yo B,
Howdy bro. yeah it’s all good. We settled down near Gilroy and been so darn busy that I pretty much missed most of the Raiders this past season…prob a good thing.
Imho, Reece is one of our best weapon on the O and he has to get the rock. I think we are off to a good start with Olson as our OC. On to the draft, can we please get that dude Star Lotuleilei. I got a mad man crush for that dude.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Pryor does not have nearly the arm of Kap.
I have not been impressed with Pryor’s arm strength. His passes look real flimsy. The again he has a better arm then Gannon.
Just all depends on if the passes are accurate. Nobody cares if its a duck or a missle as long as it gets to where its suppose to be.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Can’t wait for the draft. It sucked not having a 1st last year.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Hey all you geniouses that think Palmer won only 1/3 of his games:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm
54-67 is actually 45% of his games. At Cincy he was almost .500 And guys that is at Cincy – not exactly your winning franchise.
At least get your facts striaght when making an argument. Look I am not saying that he is Joe Montana or something but when you just compile certain things without considering the context (aka excuses as you like to call them – you sound like idiotic drones).
Examples: Wow he has 50 intercetions and 9 pic sixes his last three years! Man the guy has 19 turnovers he is just as bad as Rivers etc etc
Think about the situations he was in such as no runniing game, reality show WRs, and WR’s that are really good at dropping and tipping the ball coming off the coach and playing after 5 days… yea I know htese are just excuses.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
#37 – not borderline insane … whacked the f out!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
but a duck takes longer to get where it needs to be giving a defense a chance to recover or make a play on it…its very important.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Yo B,
Howdy bro. yeah it’s all good. We settled down near Gilroy and been so darn busy that I pretty much missed most of the Raiders this past season…prob a good thing.
Imho, Reece is one of our best weapon on the O and he has to get the rock. I think we are off to a good start with Olson as our OC. On to the draft, can we please get that dude Star Lotuleilei. I got a mad man crush for that dude.
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Gilroy eh? Man sup withthe Garlic Fest…I need some of them fries buddy!
Yes a good thing AIG….it was miserable this past season in the lot….hated seeing the faces of defeat of this great people in Raider Nation
Reece has gained my respect as a weapon…he cant block for schit still….I still think McFadden is our best weapon but those two with a smart OC can cause problems!
I’ll take Star but prefer Moore….but we cant go wrong on either……both are what we need on the DL
February 13th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Some of the picks were on Palmer – agreed! But then, who was he throwing to? There were a lot of bad routes run by receivers the past two years, with the exception of D Moore leaping out of the woodwork back in 2012. And Palmer didn’t have the best protection in the world either. Even little bro’ Manning sucked when receivers weren’t stepping up and protection was breaking down (and that was in their Super Bowl years!)
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Hey all you geniouses that think Palmer won only 1/3 of his games:
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that was a typo on my part below is my original post
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
palmers career says he has only posted wining season (8 or more wins) in 6/9 years 1/3 of his time
plamers record here is 8-16, he has only won a 3rd of his games in oakland
Coincidence?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Eli and Peyton both throw ducks all the time. But they get to their targets so nobody cares.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
You really cant blame the raider for palmers failings,
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Let me fix this for you;
You can’t really blame Palmer for the Raiders failings..
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Kerry Collins was 5-11 with 20 TDs and 12 INTs….did yall all clamor for him as a good damn QB? Dont contradict yourselves please
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Collins like Palmer was not the problem with those teams. He sure was a lot better than Walters, JR, and all the other scrubs we have had in here since Gannon.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Palmer and prior competing is the sensible thing. Drafting a quarterback like Geno Smith is borderline insane.
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Dont like Geno as well….seems like an idiot to me when I hear him talk…I dunno. Think those lil WRs on screen passes surely helped him alot. He has a strom arm but he didnt come up big enough to me in big games
Cutting Palmer and adding a vet QB along with mid round draft pick at qb to compete with TP is sensible
February 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Kerry Collins had a rocket for an arm and Gannon had a horrible arm. Which QB wuld you prefer??
February 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Waive Palmer, Seymour, DHB, and Kelly.
Use the money to sign better players.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I’d happily settle for Star, Moore, or Werner. Looking forward to the draft for the first time since we got hosed in ‘09.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
raidertbone Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Some of the picks were on Palmer – agreed! But then, who was he throwing to? There were a lot of bad routes run by receivers the past two years, with the exception of D Moore leaping out of the woodwork back in 2012. And Palmer didn’t have the best protection in the world either. Even little bro’ Manning sucked when receivers weren’t stepping up and protection was breaking down (and that was in their Super Bowl years!)
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Stop making excuses the record is the record! LOL (Please note sarcasm button is on)
February 13th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Raidertbone Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Some of the picks were on Palmer – agreed! But then, who was he throwing to? There were a lot of bad routes run by receivers the past two years, with the exception of D Moore leaping out of the woodwork back in 2012. And Palmer didn’t have the best protection in the world either. Even little bro’ Manning sucked when receivers weren’t stepping up and protection was breaking down (and that was in their Super Bowl years!)
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Wow so how come Palmer as the leader didnt get them on same page?
Eli back to back to back to back playoff appearances lol
February 13th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
palmer has only had a wining record (8 or more wins) in 1/3 of his career
plamer has only won 1/3 of his games as a raider
February 13th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Kerry Collins was 5-11 with 20 TDs and 12 INTs….did yall all clamor for him as a good damn QB? Dont contradict yourselves please
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Collins like Palmer was not the problem with those teams. He sure was a lot better than Walters, JR, and all the other scrubs we have had in here since Gannon.
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Good Qbs make their teams better….Palmer you say aint the problem but he aint the solution so he helps none
February 13th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Kirk
You can not “waive” vets like that. You cut them and immeidately eat their cap. Seymour’s contract is already voided! Why not try to get DHB and Palmer to take pay cuts it may actually help cap more than cutting and you keep good attitude core players.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Raidertbone Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I’d happily settle for Star, Moore, or Werner. Looking forward to the draft for the first time since we got hosed in ‘09.
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If we pick Werner who is a LDE then you gettin hosed again….GUARANTEED
February 13th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Mistic…he isnt a leader and inspires no confidence in his teammates. He sits there with an upper elite rich boy look wondering if caviar is on the menu at the expensive restaurant he goes to that night celebrating another stat filled loss!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
#61
Take a look at the defenses.
When you’re always having to play from behind, more chances result in more mistakes. If Greg Krapp had continued with the same offensive schemes that devastated teams in ‘10 and ‘11, the solid running game would have opened up more passing lanes.
Curt Warner wasn’t a top level quarterback; but the scheme fit him well, and he took the team to a Super Bowl.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Man I have had enough of this. Anything I say is an excuse for Palmer so I guess you just look at numbers then you need to look at over 4000 yards in 14.25 games and 22 TDs. Now watch the excuses come out on the other side such as it was all – wait for it – “garbage time” whatever that means.
Out
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
LOl
dr slob frantically scouring the archives looking for something that is not there.
this cat is cracked
hahahahahaha
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Anyone remembers Palmer’s inspiring halftime speech in cincy? LMAO
The players have tuned him out and will not go all out for that loser….time to move on
February 13th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
In two short years, 2015, Geno Smith will be the best QB of the following three:
Geno Smith, Carson Palmer, Terrell Pryor.
I’m not advocating the Raiders draft Geno, but no way would that move be “insane.”
February 13th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
I like me some Streater, but when you are trotting him out as your #1 (in all essence), defenses just be lickin’ dey chops!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Man I have had enough of this. Anything I say is an excuse for Palmer so I guess you just look at numbers then you need to look at over 4000 yards in 14.25 games and 22 TDs. Now watch the excuses come out on the other side such as it was all – wait for it – “garbage time” whatever that means.
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We love ya OG…you put in work for younger Raider cats like me…I dont wanna disrespect that ever….I just dont see the point in rebuilding with a aging QB who turns it over and is a career loser….even him making 5 mil a year is robbery….again I dont wanna offend you…I respect the hell outta ya
February 13th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Man I have had enough of this. Anything I say is an excuse for Palmer so I guess you just look at numbers then you need to look at over 4000 yards in 14.25 games and 22 TDs.
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please add his stupefying 19 turn overs to your numbers in order to see a true picture of his failings/ accomplishments
22 tds -19 turn overs 4k yards 4 wins in 14 games
not very good
February 13th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Thec,
remove your boy JFORD from the roster
smurfs need not apply!!
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lol
Keep dreaming Rock…. JFORD will ball out 2013 – 2014.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
LOl
dr slob frantically scouring the archives looking for something that is not there.
this cat is cracked
hahahahahaha
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No he is not….RobertaMR logged off and logged back on as AlexisMR
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Ford will have to be healthy…but he can be a weapon for us….but what will McRibzie do with him?
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, whats up Bruh hope all is well.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Anyone remembers Palmer’s inspiring halftime speech in cincy? LMAO
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The one where he pulled down his pants and pulled out the box with the turtle in it?
http://www.freep.com/article/20130213/SPORTS08/302130070/Ticker-Steve-Schrader-Meyer-tells-a-tale-of-Woody-and-the-turtle
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
JFORD is healthy and working out with TPRYOR…non issue
February 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Anyways….of to Berkeley………to da BAR….watch some sports get in a few debates for a some hours and then come home to main thang and pray she doesnt have on reality TV(dont hold ya breath)
Yall be cool
Just Win
Code Black 2013
February 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Thec Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
JFORD is healthy and working out with TPRYOR…non issue
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Keep him then!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
McRibzie do with him
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Hopefully not eat him…
February 13th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Anyone remembers Palmer’s inspiring halftime speech in cincy? LMAO
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The one where he pulled down his pants and pulled out the box with the turtle in it?
http://www.freep.com/article/20130213/SPORTS08/302130070/Ticker-Steve-Schrader-Meyer-tells-a-tale-of-Woody-and-the-turtle
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LMAO…I’m dead…Dutch no one can beat that
February 13th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Follow the B@uceman, whats good newbie???lol
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
exactly why peyton now has trouble with man to man defense…eli has a great recievers in victor cruz
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
anyone who thinks Palmer isn’t a good QB doesn’t know much about professional football. he’s not great, and he is overpaid, but he kept us in games last year. we had NO running game. none of our receivers could hold on to the football, and i wouldn’t consider throwing a pick after 50+ passes attempted something that can really be blamed on him.
Palmer was above-average in the 2 minute and no huddle offenses.
dude made a few bad decisions, but he was under duress and overworked the entire year.
cutting him would leave us with nothing but Pryor, and you should never not have a solid backup if you have a running QB.
Keeping Palmer isn’t ideal, but you can thank Hubert for that.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Anyways….of to Berkeley………to da BAR….watch some sports get in a few debates for a some hours and then come home to main thang and pray she doesnt have on reality TV(dont hold ya breath)
Yall be cool
Just Win
Code Black 2013
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Ok, Be safe.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Thec Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, whats up Bruh hope all is well.
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its good Thec
we got comp at the qb spot im in
looking forward to the draft strategy this is where the rubber meets the road for big mack
its going to be big
February 13th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
#87
Well played, my friend!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Raiders were one of the best teams at scoring in the 2-minute offense.
We all agreed it was because Palmer was calling his own plays.
I’m excited to see what he can do with a new OC and decent WRs. Had some MONSTER 300+ yards, 3-TD games in 2011 with Bush going off, dropping vertical bombs on the Vikings, Chargers (twice), and Bears (no small feat).
February 13th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Gdog
Can’t disagree with that assessment in #8 hopefull for better in 13 but we need to keep some of our better players such as Bryant and Wheeler. In fact it should not cost too much to keep the defense in tact minus Seymour and Kelly and maybe add a piece or two at LB, on the line and in the Secondary.
If we can run I think Palmer would have a really good year next year and I think Pryor could become a very feared player when he steps on the field as a option type wildcat type player thown in at unexpected times.
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Leaving Pryor on the bench until the last game just goes to show how over-his-head Knapp was running an offense by himself. You don’t leave talent like that on the bench. Its not hard to design 4-5 plays to showcase a player like Pryors abilities. The one trick play he finally drew up went for 20+, in what game 15?? Why didn’t we see that all season? Why did the no-huddle disappear after it beat Pitts? There is so much evidence that Knapp didn’t have a clue what he was doing it makes my head swim.
This was prolly the worst coaching hire at the worst time in franchise history… it destroyed two 8-8 seasons and any momentum it brought. And DA has never came clean about it. I almost guarantee it was his idea and his alone. At least he was man enough to fire him.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Tonedeezy Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
anyone who thinks Palmer isn’t a good QB doesn’t know much about professional football. he’s not great, and he is overpaid, but he kept us in games last year. we had NO running game. none of our receivers could hold on to the football, and i wouldn’t consider throwing a pick after 50+ passes attempted something that can really be blamed on him.
Palmer was above-average in the 2 minute and no huddle offenses.
dude made a few bad decisions, but he was under duress and overworked the entire year.
cutting him would leave us with nothing but Pryor, and you should never not have a solid backup if you have a running QB.
Keeping Palmer isn’t ideal, but you can thank Hubert for that.
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I agree! With what Palmer had this year, how could he have done any better.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
tonedeezy Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
anyone who thinks Palmer isn’t a good QB doesn’t know much about professional football. he’s not great, and he is overpaid, but he kept us in games last year. we had NO running game. none of our receivers could hold on to the football, and i wouldn’t consider throwing a pick after 50+ passes attempted something that can really be blamed on him.
Palmer was above-average in the 2 minute and no huddle offenses.
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i see you listed problems that surrounded palmer last year and cited them for his 4 win total.
What was the reason for 4 wims last year/
what were the reason for 4 wins in 2010 in cincy the wrs?
what are the reasosn that he has only won 8 or more games in 3/9 seasons? the wrs?
2 minute no huddle great?
palmer has mastered the last two minutes of a half when trailing by 2 scores facing the prevent defense
not impressed
February 13th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
im out
February 13th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
Seymour’s contract is already voided!
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Everybody keeps saying this, but my understanding is the Raiders have the option of voiding his contract, and I haven’t read that they did yet.
Until they do, he’s a Raider. He’s listed on the injured reserve right now.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
tonedeezy Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
anyone who thinks Palmer isn’t a good QB doesn’t know much about professional football. he’s not great, and he is overpaid, but he kept us in games last year. we had NO running game. none of our receivers could hold on to the football, and i wouldn’t consider throwing a pick after 50+ passes attempted something that can really be blamed on him.
Palmer was above-average in the 2 minute and no huddle offenses.
dude made a few bad decisions, but he was under duress and overworked the entire year.
cutting him would leave us with nothing but Pryor, and you should never not have a solid backup if you have a running QB.
Keeping Palmer isn’t ideal, but you can thank Hubert for that.
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It almost seems like if they post how much CP sucks a million times here, Reggie will see it and then they will get their dream of watching Pryor struggle!
The thought of Palmer leading us to the playoffs nest year seems repugnant to them. I honestly believe they would enjoy watching Pryor go 4-12 than seeing Palmer go 10-6. I am not even making this up! That is my honest belief!
February 13th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
It almost seems like if they post how much CP sucks a million times here, Reggie will see it and then they will get their dream of watching Pryor struggle!
The thought of Palmer leading us to the playoffs nest year seems repugnant to them. I honestly believe they would enjoy watching Pryor go 4-12 than seeing Palmer go 10-6. I am not even making this up! That is my honest belief!
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I kinda have to agree. In my opinion, there is way too much Pryor love going on. I would love to see Pryor do well, but he has a long way to go.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Mistic the “IQ Vacuum”:
not impressed
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With CP?
What a SHOCKER!
Answer honestly: Which would you prefer next season?
1. CP goes 9-7 and we squeak into the playoffs.
or:
2. Palmer is cut and Pryor starts all season and we win.. lets say 5 games next year.
Be honest…
February 13th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Just all depends on if the passes are accurate. Nobody cares if its a duck or a missle as long as it gets to where its suppose to be.
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couldn’t agree more.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Mistic…he isnt a leader and inspires no confidence in his teammates. He sits there with an upper elite rich boy look wondering if caviar is on the menu at the expensive restaurant he goes to that night celebrating another stat filled loss!
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Give it a rest. Born and raised in Fresno. You ever been to the elite rich section of Fresno? There isn’t one. USC recruited him.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
GDog, you don’t even have to hedge your bets. He’d take Pryor at 0-16 in a heartbeat.
February 13th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Sweet Palmer is gonna start Pryor will hold his jock no surprise there.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
I don’t know if anyone really noticed, or pays attention, or cares, but as bad as everyone thinks dhb is. He was always the one that was covered by the other teams best cb. So u take him off our team and u have D moore being covered by number 1s and I think his production drops. I agree he definitely needs to restructure but I definitely want him back if he does. I remember joking with my friend two yrs ago when we played the jets because the jets had revis on him and we were joking that revis got dhb’s because it basically took him out of the game because we had other players that can make plays but he was sticking to dhb. I think dhb is still our most feared receivers by other teams because of his size and speed and more importantly what he can do , and has shown the ability to do, after the catch. just my opinion
February 13th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
wouldn’t be mad at pryor starting cp cut for the savings or cp staying while pryor learns under him. but don’t be mistaken, if we had aaron rodgers as our starter mistic would be trying to convince us pryor is the way to go
February 13th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Mistic ” supa Iq vacuum” villain is a guy with an agenda, the guy prays for Palmer to eff it up , so that he can tell everybody I told u so, the guy never comes on the Raiders blog for 2-3 days when we win games , but believe me he was right there on this blog within a couple of hours after every loss , to talk about how Palmer was the sole reason we lost each n every one of those 10 games , 1 was on Leinart , yah he would pull experience crap or first game or not enough snaps for Pryor when he lost , but no Palmer doesn’t get that excuse when he came to this team midseason off the couch n was forced into a game in which we were down 28-0 n he threw 4 picks , nope he can’t do that, but Pryor can have that excuse made for him even though he has been on the team for 2 years , had the playbook for the whole year
February 13th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
wouldn’t be mad at pryor starting cp cut for the savings or cp staying while pryor learns under him. but don’t be mistaken, if we had aaron rodgers as our starter mistic would be trying to convince us pryor is the way to go
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Yes he would he’s a real sack of SCHIT
February 13th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Mistic “supa IQ vacuum” villain came on this blog after ravens game, in which our D gave up 55 points , guess who he blamed for the game? You got it right
February 13th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
I don’t even know why you guys get into the QB debate with him , I usually just bring up his boy Newton record in first two years and compare it to Carson Palmers first two years and the guy just disappears in no time
February 13th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
All you have to do is post this
Palmer 19-13 first couple of years
Cam Newton 13-19
The guy has no credibility left after that lol
February 13th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
For all you PRYOR FANS:
You must understand the amount of respect and comraderie between Palmer and Pryor. Palmer gets this year again, no question he will be the starter so you all can whine and moan all you like…. Pryor is a guy that needs to get worked in when he proves he can actually throw the ball (an important skill of a QB FYI)
Pryor’s maturation in the film room and work ethic is driectly associated with Palmers aid and help.
Pryor can’t fly alone yet, YET.
Power Run game back, Knapp out, D keeps improving.
Palmer will be better.
cry.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
@104
I strongly agree with you, I thought I was the only one who noticed that
February 13th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Gdog–ur absolutely correct. No other reason behind the illogical maniacal postings.
But we test assured that Palmer is a virtual lock to start, especially after the preseason shows how poorly Pryor passes. The newness will fade and he will likely find his role as a “slash” type receiver.
I have said for months that they need to try him at punt returner.
The preseason will act like a cool breeze blowing away the smog that has us all choking in here.
And in related awesomeness, it will be very entertaining to see missdick scramble to cover for pryors failings.
Prediction: it’s the coaches’ fault. And/or white amerikkka’s culture in general.
Btw, I’m apparently the “white devil”. I always thought that term was hilarious.
Missdick has been reduced to calling me that. Shows his desperate defeat is soon upon him.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
I don’t know if anyone really noticed, or pays attention, or cares, but as bad as everyone thinks dhb is. He was always the one that was covered by the other teams best cb. So u take him off our team and u have D moore being covered by number 1s and I think his production drops. I agree he definitely needs to restructure but I definitely want him back if he does.
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Definitely noticed. Has been from the gate and drew a lot of PI’s too, even while struggling. Used to think it was because no one wanted to be the guy that DHB had his first breakout game against.
But it is, as you said, because of how dangerous he is after the catch. Unfortunately, his catching hiccups are the only thing preventing himfrom being easily one of the best.
I know at first glance that’s kind of duh!, but he’s a great blocker, good size, very strong and fast.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
I love the thought of another quality year from the golden haired hero with a better team around him and Pryor catching balls.
And I really love the thought of a cool Palmer chilling on the sidelines thinking about what type of caviar to have after the game.
Awesome.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
I still want to know how Reggie thinks you can take a 8-8 team and go 4-12 and thinks he change the culture,I am beginning to think he is not that bright.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Palmer comes off the couch , gets 5 days to study playbook n practice with teammates, gets thrown into the game trailing after halftime = gets blamed for everything , even the loss is put on him
Pryor been on the team the whole year , had the playbook whole year , been with sane receivers whole year = but oh he just took starting snaps for a few days in practice , that’s why his passes were not crisp and on target
Palmer gets 300 yards n late touchdown = he’s just padding his stats
Pryor gets 2 TDs in last 5 mins of game , including on one drive on which he took over at inside SD 20 due to blocked punt = he led a comeback lol
You can’t win with these idiots
February 13th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Palmer comes off the couch , gets 5 days to study playbook n practice with teammates, gets thrown into the game trailing after halftime = gets blamed for everything , even the loss is put on him
Pryor been on the team the whole year , had the playbook whole year , been with sane receivers whole year = but oh he just took starting snaps for a few days in practice , that’s why his passes were not crisp and on target
Palmer gets 300 yards n late touchdown = he’s just padding his stats
Pryor gets 2 TDs in last 5 mins of game , including on one drive on which he took over at inside SD 20 due to blocked punt = he led a comeback lol
You can’t win with these idiots
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Exactly
February 13th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
We have a coach problem not qb.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_22583375/poole-oakland-raiders-hire-greatly-influenced-by-jon
February 13th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Not to throw gasoline on the fire but isn’t Palmer’s 2013 number(s) more like $17mil??
That’s nothing compared to Heyward-Bey’s backweighted contract, isn’t he slated to earn like $10mil?? Talk about insanity…
February 13th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Post 111 Well said and FACT
February 13th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
I’m out you guys enjoy the QB debate with IQ VACUUM , maybe he can convince you guys how the sole reason we gave up 55 points to Baltimore and lost that game was all due to Palmer , or maybe he can convince you guys how great Pryor played in week 17 n the reason we lost was due to the Gatorade being bad, all coaches sucking , D was horrible , the fans weren’t cheering Loud enough , equipment manager didn’t have the right jersey size for Pryor, SD wanted to win really bad , he only had snaps in practice
February 13th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Post 111 Well said and FACT
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Agree totally!!
February 13th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
114.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
I don’t know if anyone really noticed, or pays attention, or cares, but as bad as everyone thinks dhb is. He was always the one that was covered by the other teams best cb. So u take him off our team and u have D moore being covered by number 1s and I think his production drops. I agree he definitely needs to restructure but I definitely want him back if he does.
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Definitely noticed. Has been from the gate and drew a lot of PI’s too, even while struggling. Used to think it was because no one wanted to be the guy that DHB had his first breakout game against.
But it is, as you said, because of how dangerous he is after the catch. Unfortunately, his catching hiccups are the only thing preventing himfrom being easily one of the best.
I know at first glance that’s kind of duh!, but he’s a great blocker, good size, very strong and fast.
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I know his hands aren’t great, and i don’t think he runs great routes. I think we should keep his routes simple to the 0-10 yd stops where he can move after the catch, outs, comebacks, basically ll of the routes where he can drive the defender with his speed and then stop,break out, or comeback while the defender flips his hips to try and run with him are his best routes. and fades in the red zone haha he seems to have a knack for either catching those or getting pi calls. btw i dont think anyone actually gets held or interefered with more than him that i’ve seen obviously i watch t he raiders the most. a lot of no calls also. I think with dhb (at less $) d moore, streater, ford, and criner could make for a hell of a wr combo. throw dmac n reece in there and we should be in theory really dangerous. (then again i thought we would be top 5 in the league this yr..) optimist.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
If Mcfadden stays healthy and goes off like he did in 2010 and 2011 look out Palmer will take this offense to the next level.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
funny thought how everyone thought we had a rising receiver core and a ton of offensive weapons coming into the year and now everyone thinks we need an upgrade. I just think we need a coach like hue to get the most out of his players (and no i’m not getting into the whole we shouldnt have fired hue thing, that is the past) we just need a coach, any o coach, to bring out our players strengths
February 13th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
I think most Raider fans think we need the WR position to upgrade. Most would be fine if Moore was consistent and DHB could catch and/or run routes, Ford could stay on field etc. But since they haven’t proven that, we want it and we want it now…
I have my doubts we pay for a decent receiver in FA. They cost a lot.
Mike Wallace is crazy fast but we already have a lot of that and a lot of MW’s shortcomings already on the roster.
I think we need a possesion type receiver who can make big catches. But they don’t grow on trees, we might maybe have bigger needs to fill and hamstrung on budget.
Plus DHB is going to make $10mil this year….
February 13th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
“You’ve got to be able to be flexible and adapt your system to the players that you have at any given year,” Olson said. “So, our job as a coaching staff will be to identify the skill set of the players, who are our best players, what do they do best, and how can we put them in position to be successful and do what they do best.”
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Greg Olsen
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8945273/terrelle-pryor-intrigues-oakland-raiders-offensive-coordinator-greg-olson
February 13th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Greg Jennings just said on NFL network he has put his house up for sale.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
“You’ve got to be able to be flexible and adapt your system to the players that you have at any given year,” Olson said. “So, our job as a coaching staff will be to identify the skill set of the players, who are our best players, what do they do best, and how can we put them in position to be successful and do what they do best.”
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Greg Olsen
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8945273/terrelle-pryor-intrigues-oakland-raiders-offensive-coordinator-greg-olson
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Give it a rest u old troll Pryor is gonna be holding Palmers jock end of story
February 13th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Raiders OC Greg Olson said he wasn’t “naive enough” to think all the problems on offense stemmed from former coordinator Greg Knapp’s system
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/13/greg-olsen-we-have-to-see-what-terrelle-pryor-can-do/
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Doesn’t sound like Palmer & McFadden are getting a free pass for 2012. good news.
hold’em accountable Reggie & Dennis!
February 13th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
“I like the ceiling of Terrelle Pryor and where we think he can get to, but his skill set is completely different than Carson’s, so we go forward with the idea, we know what Carson Palmer is. He’s played in the league a number of years. We know what he can do,” Olson said. “We don’t really know quite yet what Terrelle Pryor can do at this level but we have a good feel for what he is athletically, so there will be packages for both of them to allow them to compete and we’ll just be ready in either direction.”
what u want from your o coordinator. willingness to adapt to whatever his best players strengths are, whether it be a more athletic type or a traditional sling the ball around type. I like it…we’ll see how it actually plays out. hoping for the best
February 13th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Translation Pryor will have a gimmick package because he is a athlete not a passer
February 13th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Olson said he will bring back the power and gap running plays that McFadden excelled in in the past and let Palmer throw deep off play-action.
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Somehow kell and rockstar missed this part.
immediately prior to kells quote.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
what u want from your o coordinator. willingness to adapt to whatever his best players strengths are, whether it be a more athletic type or a traditional sling the ball around type. I like it…we’ll see how it actually plays out. hoping for the best
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You’d think all 32 coordinators at this level would have this ability. Shows just how much of a fail the Knapp hire was. Did he even interview or did DA call him up and say ‘hey, what’s up Greg?! I got the job, come on over!’
February 13th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Kerry Collins was 5-11 with 20 TDs and 12 INTs….did yall all clamor for him as a good damn QB? Dont contradict yourselves please
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Collins like Palmer was not the problem with those teams. He sure was a lot better than Walters, JR, and all the other scrubs we have had in here since Gannon.
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Collins had much worse facial expressions which I think is the definitve way to judge a QB.
He always had that dumb, half open mouthed look on his face after every bad play, like ” duhhhhh… what just happened”?
I’ll tell you what just happened you half opened mouth dumb faced jackass.
February 13th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Palmer comes off the couch , gets 5 days to study playbook n practice with teammates, gets thrown into the game trailing after halftime = gets blamed for everything , even the loss is put on him
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M20,
whose fault was it Palmer was “on the couch” ?
was Palmer working out on his own?
Hadn’t he been in the NFL for 9 years?
what about him being a #1 overall pick, former Heisman winner and 2x Pro Bowler?
Are you suggesting he forgot how to play QB?
Why you clowns compare Palmer to Pryor is beyond me. The guy got ZERO reps all season long and didn’t even find out he was the starting QB until Friday before the SD game. It was his 1st NFL start. he was a project when we drafted him. 3rd rounder in the Supp draft with a suspension.
I’m the biggest Pryor fan in here and I didn’t expect him to come out the gate and throw for 300 yards or 4 TD’s. 3 TD’s was better than I expected, actually and definately something to build off of. He didn’t get sacked after SD’s defense had like 11 sacks the week before. He commanded the huddle, showed leadership, made a few plays. He’s not your traditional dropback passer, but he doesn’t have to be. He just has to improve footwork & accuracy. I have no reason to think he won’t – especially if McKenzie, Allen & Olson are promising to give him a fair shot at more playing time or even the starting job. You can’t just write the guy off after 1 NFL start
February 13th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
We don’t really know quite yet what Terrelle Pryor can do at this level
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Olson summed it up pretty well, right there.
We don’t know, but we’re going to find out!
haters say he sucks right now and he’ll never get any better. smh
February 13th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
will keeping dmac/getting an oc to devise an o around his strengths be akin if not worse than not cutting seymour last year?
February 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Rockstar, one more time. Same article.
Olson said he will bring back the power and gap running plays that McFadden excelled in in the past and let Palmer throw deep off play-action.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
How the he11 can anyone read ambiguity into that statement. Talk about blinders on.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Congrats RR on the new Opportunity and Child.
I like the Olsen quote regarding Palmer.
“He’s a known quantity”, and imo would be much more effective had He had a run game.
TP, in spite of his inexperience found a way to score TD’S.
That factors heavily in my mind moving forward when we take into account ALL of the issues involving the Raiders.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_22583375/poole-oakland-raiders-hire-greatly-influenced-by-jon
It was Olson’s roll call of influential coaches that warmed the room. He cited numerous coaches, including former 49ers head coaches Steve Mariucci and Dennis Erickson, but reserved a special place for Gruden, under whom he served in Tampa Bay as quarterbacks coach in 2008.
“He always got guys ready for Sundays,” Olson said. “He was always about presentation and preparation, those two key words. You have to prepare, but then you have to stimulate and motivate the players. He could do that.
“He had those natural social skills that when you went into a meeting, you came out feeling motivated — to practice or to coach. The quarterbacks in the room would always say there’s something about the way he prepares the team, something about the way he makes guys feel they will be an important part of winning the game.”
“For me to sit back and listen and watch, to see his mannerisms and, more important, the preparation and organization and scheduling, that was the biggest thing. His preparations are somewhat legendary.”
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If there was ever a smoother path than this to Jon Gruden returning to be our head coach, I don’t see it.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
For the record,as Al’s last pick and as a potential dual threat, I sincerely hope Pryor becomes what the Palmer haters think he already is.
Thinking it is going to happen this year is mighty speculative,if not folly.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Rockstar, one more time. Same article.
Olson said he will bring back the power and gap running plays that McFadden excelled in in the past and let Palmer throw deep off play-action.
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I said earlier today that it looks like Palmer will be on the Roster.
IF he is, he will be the starter. I would suppose.
Things are in flux right now.
We’ll See!?!
February 13th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Thinking it is going to happen this year is mighty speculative,if not folly.
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The TP argument/assessment probably boils down too how much faith one places in his development.
Reggie and Co will be the final arbiters.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
“Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.”
That’s what SHOULD HAVE been figured out last year. Pryor SHOULD HAVE been put in right when palmer went down and then given all the first team reps in practice. Instead those idiots chose to go with leinart and were only left with one game to evaluate pryor. How is it that us fans know what’s better for the organization than DA/Reggie? SMH.
I’m not for or against pryor simply because I don’t know what the kid is capable of yet. Last year was the time to evaluate him. They didn’t give him a real shot.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Palmer is awesome.
Pryor sucks.
The end.
Can’t wait til preseason.
Can u say “comeuppance”?
February 13th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Rekleiner Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
“Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.”
That’s what SHOULD HAVE been figured out last year. Pryor SHOULD HAVE been put in right when palmer went down and then given all the first team reps in practice. Instead those idiots chose to go with leinart and were only left with one game to evaluate pryor. How is it that us fans know what’s better for the organization than DA/Reggie? SMH.
I’m not for or against pryor simply because I don’t know what the kid is capable of yet. Last year was the time to evaluate him. They didn’t give him a real shot.
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Agree.
The ONLY reason Leinart was there was as a fall back to a Playoff team that lost it’s starting QB because He knew the system, and was a veteran.
Leinart became moot the day we were eliminated from playoff contention.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Another mess up by DA was not giving TP more playing time.
DA is damn lucky he didn’t get canned as well as Knapp and his OLine coach.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Btw, I know this will be difficult for many of u to accept, but u won’t be seeing me here for six weeks after tonight. I’m giving up the blog (tremendous time eater) for Lent.
I’ll be back on Easter.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
DA was trying to save his job, that’s why TP didn’t play much.
If Reggie would have came out and said his job was safe in November, I am sure TP would have played a lot more in December.
The win against KC probably saved DA’s job.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
DA was trying to save his job, that’s why TP didn’t play much.
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Only reasonable explanation.
Reggie might not have know if DA’s job was safe in November.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Well, so far it sounds like Palmer will be on the Roster.
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I thought you wanted to win? If he isn’t on the roster we would have to go with Terrell “O for 17″ Pryor.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I thought you wanted to win? If he isn’t on the roster we would have to go with Terrell “O for 17″ Pryor.
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WTF does that mean?
If you’re drinking, I’ll have one with ya.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Palmer will have a super short leash this year, and will be judged by the W-L record.
Start 0-2 or 1-3, I think he will get the hook.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Palmer will have a super short leash this year, and will be judged by the W-L record.
Start 0-2 or 1-3, I think he will get the hook.
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I can see that.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
With the known facts regarding Mark Davis’ quotes regarding regression, and His “talk” with DA on the plane ride home, I can imagine that DA understands HIS leash is VERY short.
If Palmer and the Team stumble out of the gate, ALL options are on the table.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
DA was trying to save his job, that’s why TP didn’t play much.
If Reggie would have came out and said his job was safe in November, I am sure TP would have played a lot more in December.
The win against KC probably saved DA’s job.
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I agree DA was trying to save his job, and pad Palmers stats as well.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Kell, I don’t think that DA would have a vested interest in padding Palmer’s stats.
Am I missing something?
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
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The way the roster is constructed, play action is what it’s all about.
Great speed on the outside and a Guy that can deliver the ball deep.
THAT’S what should have happened last season.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Glad Olsen can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
If Pryor is more like Kaepernick, than our O line is like crap compared to the 49ers O-Line. Let’s really fic this issue for good, then he might look a lot more like Kaepernick, otherwise he’ll look bad, like most any other QB that has to play behind Oakland’s O-Line.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
“Those who know little say much and those who know much say little”
BAZINGA
February 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
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The way the roster is constructed, play action is what it’s all about.
Great speed on the outside and a Guy that can deliver the ball deep.
THAT’S what should have happened last season.
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Exactly but Krapp was a terrible play caller and had our offense all FCKED up
February 13th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Kell, I don’t think that DA would have a vested interest in padding Palmer’s stats.
Am I missing something?
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If you’re not winning, the Owner is on your back, Heavily invested in the QB. I think he and Knapp were well advised to show something.
But yeah, speculation on my part.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Exactly but Krapp was a terrible play caller and had our offense all FCKED up
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McFadden was a good soldier, but His frustration showed thru at the end of the season.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
If you’re not winning, the Owner is on your back, Heavily invested in the QB. I think he and Knapp were well advised to show something.
But yeah, speculation on my part.
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I get it.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
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The way the roster is constructed, play action is what it’s all about.
Great speed on the outside and a Guy that can deliver the ball deep.
THAT’S what should have happened last season.
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True. But teams were not respecting our run game. 20 I am looking your way here.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Btw, I know this will be difficult for many of u to accept, but u won’t be seeing me here for six weeks after tonight. I’m giving up the blog (tremendous time eater) for Lent.
I’ll be back on Easter.
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Really Robert? Catholic boy huh? I too was raised in it. Sunday school every week…the whole deal.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Exactly but Krapp was a terrible play caller and had our offense all FCKED up
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McFadden was a good soldier, but His frustration showed thru at the end of the season.
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Agree it was very obvious he will do much better this year
February 13th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
49ers gave up twice as may sacks as us the last two years, in about 300 less pass attempts.
February 13th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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Really Robert? Catholic boy huh? I too was raised in it. Sunday school every week…the whole deal.
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One of my childhood Buddies had to go to Catechism, hated it.
I played baseball for the Local Catholic Church, CYO, even though I wasn’t Catholic, I was recruited. lol
February 13th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
49ers gave up twice as may sacks as us the last two years, in about 300 less pass attempts.
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Answer….Alex Smith
February 13th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Exactly but Krapp was a terrible play caller and had our offense all FCKED up
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McFadden was a good soldier, but His frustration showed thru at the end of the season.
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Agree it was very obvious he will do much better this year
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That’s right. Defense will be better and DMAC will run wild.
Drink the koolaid folks. Come to the pavillion. “The congressman is gone..he’s gone…it’s all over…all over friends”.-Powers Boothe as Jim Jones in “Guyana Tragedy”.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
its good to see some life in here!
February 13th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Drink the koolaid folks. Come to the pavillion. “The congressman is gone..he’s gone…it’s all over…all over friends”.-Powers Boothe as Jim Jones in “Guyana Tragedy”.
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LOL
February 13th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Why you clowns compare Palmer to Pryor is beyond me. The guy got ZERO reps all season long and didn’t even find out he was the starting QB until Friday before the SD game. It was his 1st NFL start. he was a project when we drafted him. 3rd rounder in the Supp draft with a suspension.
I’m the biggest Pryor fan in here and I didn’t expect him to come out the gate and throw for 300 yards or 4 TD’s. 3 TD’s was better than I expected, actually and definately something to build off of. He didn’t get sacked after SD’s defense had like 11 sacks the week before. He commanded the huddle, showed leadership, made a few plays. He’s not your traditional dropback passer, but he doesn’t have to be. He just has to improve footwork & accuracy. I have no reason to think he won’t – especially if McKenzie, Allen & Olson are promising to give him a fair shot at more playing time or even the starting job. You can’t just write the guy off after 1 NFL start.
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Of course Pryor knew he was starting. The team just didn’t announce it til Friday so that SD couldn’t prepare for Pryor. So actually that was a HUGE advantage for Pryor that not only did they not have tape on him, they didn’t even KNOW he was starting. He did have reps and some of his best work was done with the guys he was playing scout team with.
The guys that draw comparisons to Pryor all had very good games their lst times out with the exception of Russell Wilson. And Wilson had a very good start his second time out. Each one of those players completed more than 50% of their passes, for good yardage per attempt. Pryor would be about 55th in the league in yards per attempt behind guys like Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski and Tyler Thigpen. And his completion percentage is actually the WORST in the league for guys with more than 10 attempts. Knowing this what jumps out at you , other than blind?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
sorry, other than blind hope?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
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Really Robert? Catholic boy huh? I too was raised in it. Sunday school every week…the whole deal.
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One of my childhood Buddies had to go to Catechism, hated it.
I played baseball for the Local Catholic Church, CYO, even though I wasn’t Catholic, I was recruited. lol
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They don’t care. The local Catholic High School recruits kids from everywhere around here. You must’ve been good to get their interest.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Glad Olsen can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win
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Ray Charles can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win, and he’s blind and dead.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
After listening to the New Coaching interviews on Raiders.COM I’m ready for a nap….
11th straight season without a post season COMING UP!
No question about it!
February 13th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
Jim jones went to my alma mater, Indiana university.
And Michael Alig, the so-called “party monster” that butchered a drug dealer in NYC during the “”club kid” scene, went to my high school.
Also from my high school: Scott dreisbach, mike rosenthal, and Braxton cave.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Glad Olsen can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win
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Ray Charles can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win, and he’s blind and dead.
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True LMFAO
February 13th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Palmer will have a super short leash this year, and will be judged by the W-L record.
Start 0-2 or 1-3, I think he will get the hook.
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No matter how he plays, or how many points the defense gives up?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
indiana…that explains a lot…
February 13th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
I said it when it happened. Olson was hired to feature DMc/Palmer. Sparano was hired due to his history with traditional and wildcat blocking schemes.
Everything I have said would happen, is happening (there are others here that said these things too).
Wanna look into the future?
Palmer is NOT getting cut. Pryor will be awful passing the ball in preseason, and become a “slash” type player.
We may actually draft a qb in the mid or late rounds. A low risk flyer to add another youngster to the “competitive” mix.
I still think geno is in play though.
Palmer will pass for 4500/25 this season and Pryor’s qb days will be behind him.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Wanna talk about how many great people hail from Indiana? Or from IU?
February 13th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
i thought you were already…
February 13th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Palmer won’t be on a short leash at all.
Pryor will play himself out of contention.
If the raiders are losing, it’s DA that will be on the hot seat. Not Palmer.
Cuz wins and losses are a head coach/team stat. Not a qb stat. As long as Palmer is doing a good job passing the ball, he’s fine.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
No matter how he plays, or how many points the defense gives up?
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True Purvis, It has to be taken in context.
You know if we’re putting up 25-30 points, and are scoring in the Red Zone and STILL losing, then Palmer isn’t the reason.
Unless of course He throws a pick 6 in the 4th for the loss. lol
February 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Ray Charles can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win, and he’s blind and dead.
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Seymour/Oakglen sockputts eta,
You can only speak for your multiple personalities, Not Ray Charles.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Get Palmer a #1 wr and a running game and the offense will be top ten.
Get a good CB, MLB, and pass rusher, and the defense will be top 15.
That’s playoffs. 10-6.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
Wanna talk about how many great people hail from Indiana? Or from IU?
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Indiana would take a long time.
Red Skelton is from Vincennes. I used to drive through there on Hwy. 41 on vacation. I used to stay at Turkey Run State Park.
Of course you’ve got John Mellencamp…
February 13th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Get Palmer a #1 wr and a running game and the offense will be top ten.
Get a good CB, MLB, and pass rusher, and the defense will be top 15.
That’s playoffs. 10-6.
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EXACTLY.
Drinketh the koolaid in honor of your fellow alum Rev. Jones.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Red Skelton
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Loved The Red Skelton Show as a Kid.
Great comedy.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Milliner or Moore in the first round.
FA:
CB or RDE (whichever isn’t drafted)
MLB
#1WR
These things as well as retaining Myers, kelly and/or Bryant, and wheeler.
Cut huff, McClain, Seymour, and Dhb.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
We need to focus on defense and everything should be in play on that side of the ball. As for the offense goes a right tackle or guard would be nice so would another power back a legit WR would be sweet. But i just don’t see us having the money for a Bowe or Jennings type wideout who wants to get paid.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Warning: this is a political comment and could be detrimental to your very life.
Our dear leader wants to raise the minimum wage to $9.00 per hour. What a cheapskate.
Why should it not be raised to $100.00 dollars per hour or $1000.00 per hour to be in line with what politicians make?
I think a man that provides a good burger is far more valuable than a POS politician.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
Ray Charles can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win, and he’s blind and dead.
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Seymour/Oakglen sockputts eta,
You can only speak for your multiple personalities, Not Ray Charles.
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Don’t be angry because Greg Olson basically completely agreed with me. Be angry because your life is over and you didn’t do sh**.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Red Skelton
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Loved The Red Skelton Show as a Kid.
Great comedy.
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Yeah. Classic. They actually have a museum for him in Vincennes.
It’s good, clean comedy.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Gotta cut chilla dog Kelly, as well as McClain.
Seymour is a given. DHB maybe a restructure, at about 1.5.
Gotta resign Wheeler, and Bryant.
Draft Star.
Resign Carter.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.
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No way pass on Geno he is def not worth the third pick Fck that
February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
“Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”
ESPN Insider by way of:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
I suppose the wr crew could surprise. It’s well documented that wr usually emerges in his third year. Moore is coming into his third season. Ford missed his third, so this will be it. Dhb emerged in his third, but wasn’t used as well last season, so it’s very possible he returns to 2011 form. And streater is coming.
So maybe those guys will step up a level or two. Add Myers, DMc, and Reece and u have what COULD be a strong group. But they have to much better (but that IS POSSIBLE, given the youth).
Add DMc returning to form and staying healthy (gulp), and a more consistent and healthy OL (gulp), and that’s an offense.
Pryor could add some big play potential in a slash role too.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Gotta cut chilla dog Kelly, as well as McClain.
Seymour is a given. DHB maybe a restructure, at about 1.5.
Gotta resign Wheeler, and Bryant.
Draft Star.
Resign Carter.
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I am thinking Demontre Moore myself. Possibly Dion Jordan. We are going to need 2 DT’s if they won’t resign either Kelly or Seymour. Hankins might be a good call in that case.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.
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No way pass on Geno he is def not worth the third pick Fck that
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My feelings exactly.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Huff is mediocre. Cut him.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
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The way the roster is constructed, play action is what it’s all about.
Great speed on the outside and a Guy that can deliver the ball deep.
THAT’S what should have happened last season.
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We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.
Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Geno is the pick, to h*ll with dudes.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
And with that, I’m out for six weeks. Have fun boys.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
KoolKell, I have bad news for you. The government decreed long ago that it could take any property that it wanted. Now they can kill anybody they want to.
They have no need for a realtors.
February 13th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
I am thinking Demontre Moore myself. Possibly Dion Jordan. We are going to need 2 DT’s if they won’t resign either Kelly or Seymour. Hankins might be a good call in that case.
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Star, Moore, and Joeckle are/were on my early list.
I wouldn’t be disappointed with any of the 3 at #3.
I’d hope that Reggie could trade down, and if Guys like Hankins, and Jordan are available, consider them then.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
The more everyone says Seymour is gone(incorrect) or as good as gone, the more curious I am as to why he isn’t gone. Isn’t that rather disrespectful to a player of Sey’s caliber if you indeed are going to release him?
Not that some of you would mind disrespecting him, but still.
Being on injured reserve a factor? Can you be on injured reserve after the season?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
214.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
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I had to laugh reading some of the in-season comments about Tarver being in over his head as a DC.
He was working with, by and large, the same rockheads that led the entire NFL in penalties (again) and set a modern team record for penalties at the same time (an astonishing feat, when you realize the team they play for). Oh, and a good number of ex-practice squad players, some of whom joined the team after the season started.
Does anyone really expect a bunch like that to learn and execute an entirely new and complex defensive scheme in one season or less?
It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.
Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.
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Hey Teach,
Ya, you look at what Boldin and The other Kid in Baltimore did in the SB, and It makes Me realize how far off OUR Guys are.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
dr_robert Says:
Huff is mediocre. Cut him.
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Yeah, like we have the luxury of cutting mediocre players. Shouldn’t we start with the bad ones?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
Geno is the pick, to h*ll with dudes.
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E, I think Geno will get picked by KC. By the time draft comes around they will have talked themselves into it.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
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I sure hope so.
Someone posted earlier that the Raiders had the 2nd ranked D over the last 25% of the Season.
I didn’t fact check, but if true, that’s promising.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RAIDER E Geno will not be the pick not a chance this team has many other needs.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
edward teach Says:
I had to laugh reading some of the in-season comments about Tarver being in over his head as a DC.
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I was quoting a James Arcellana article.
“Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”
ESPN Insider by way of:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.
“You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis
February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.
“You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis
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“And pay them in accord with their production.”
RaiderLen
February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
No matter how he plays, or how many points the defense gives up?
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Within reason, yes.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.
“You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis
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“And pay them in accord with their production.”
RaiderLen
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Agreed.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
If Geno is on the board when we pick, we will be on the clock all of about 30 seconds before we send the pick in for him.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
In order to sign free agents & improve lack of talent on this roster Palmer must restructure his contract!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
220.RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.
Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.
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Hey Teach,
Ya, you look at what Boldin and The other Kid in Baltimore did in the SB, and It makes Me realize how far off OUR Guys are.
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I’m amazed sometimes at how bad our receivers are. You watch other teams play, and virtually every team you watch has receivers that can make plays and catch the ball. If a Raider receiver actually does make a play on the ball, it’s big news. Denarious Moore’s performance in his first training camp was all anyone could talk about. It was like folks were saying “Finally! We have a guy that can make a play!” Remember all the talk about Criner during this preseason?
Palmer NEEDS (at least one) guy he can count on.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
If Kansas Shi**y ends up taking Joekel one overall, it is almost mandatory that we take Moore I would think.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Nobody else is curious about Seymour not being released yet?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
If Geno is on the board when we pick, we will be on the clock all of about 30 seconds before we send the pick in for him.
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You know I am there with you, JFB.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
Hearing grumblings that Joekel is better suited in the ZBS, and Fisher may be the better option for a power-blocking team.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
isn’t seymours contract voided?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
edward teach Says:
I’m amazed sometimes at how bad our receivers are. You watch other teams play, and virtually every team you watch has receivers that can make plays and catch the ball.Palmer NEEDS (at least one) guy he can count on.
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I seem to remember the word on Palmer being that he rarely used his tight ends. No wonder Myers put up the numbers he did.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
238.KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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WR group is average, at best imo.
Not one Guy that can take over a game when lined up in a mismatch situation.
Or rather, no guy that creates a mismatch regardless of the defender.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Raider E Says:
isn’t seymours contract voided?
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Let me say it again.
NONONONONONONONONONO!!!
Raiders have the option of voiding it if those conditions he didn’t meet weren’t met. He is still listed on their injured reserve list.
Supposedly, not having the contract automatically void is somehow tied into the money still due him.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
We led the NFL in YAC this year didn’t we?
Agree that down the field is where the issues are, but DHB had some long catch and runs, D-Moore turned a 2 yard pass into a 70 yard gain in KC, and Goodson averaged like 10+ yards a catch out of the backfield.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
238.KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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I can imagine a lot of what if bs.
You Palmer people want all the credit for passing for 4,ooo yds,and blame the WR’s who caught the passes for the losses.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
edward teach Says:
NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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Oh,pshaw. Carson’s a bum. Cut him.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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Exactly.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Raiders were 5th in YAC, excuse me.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=231
February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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Palmer good. That’s how.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
You Palmer people? I’m a ‘I want the raiders to win people’
February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
And 5th in drops….
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?year=&type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
February 13th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
Raiders were 5th in YAC, excuse me.
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=231
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But this isn’t just guys breaking tackles. This is about blocks downfield and This is also a Q that can hit guys down the field in stride.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Raiders were 5th in YAC, excuse me.
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When DHB does catch the ball, especially with any kind of momentum, he can be scary good.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Seeing some mocks now where Ezekial Ansah is predicted to go in the top 10. Drawing comparisons to JPP as a freak athlete who’s new to the game and has alot of upside but some risk as well.
This was a guy I was thinking maybe we could drop down and get him in the midfirst, but that’s no longer a reality. Still love Alex Okafor in a drop down to the mid/late first. Edge rusher is definitely Need No. 1.
As for BPA, it’s Joeckel 1, Star Lotulelei 2 and 3 is debatable. Wouldn’t be shocked if Ansah works hims3lf into that conversation alongside Moore and others, especially after the combine.-
February 13th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Palmer’s good?………… 0 fer 2 in 9 yrs?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Joekel has always been more suited to ZBS.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
243.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
We led the NFL in YAC this year didn’t we?
Agree that down the field is where the issues are, but DHB had some long catch and runs, D-Moore turned a 2 yard pass into a 70 yard gain in KC, and Goodson averaged like 10+ yards a catch out of the backfield.
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We did, I believe. Kanpp’s shorter passing game no doubt accounting for some of that.
My original point was that we have no one that can catch the ball and make plays consistently in the vertical passing game. Stretching the field vertically only works aginst the defense if they think you can catch the deep ball. They’ll let you throw it all day if they don’t think you can complete it.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Well first of all they only threw 3 yd outs.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
My original point was that we have no one that can catch the ball and make plays consistently in the vertical passing game.
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Agreed, although in the second half of the season it seems Carson underthrew A LOT of the deep balls he attempted.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
After listening to the New Coaching interviews on Raiders.COM I’m ready for a nap….
11th straight season without a post season COMING UP!
No question about it!
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Yeah but we are so “media-friendly” now!….
Hire McCloughan & Gruden now.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
YAC often has alot to do with good QB play. Hit a guy in stride and he can turn a 5 yard pass into a 50 yard gain. Miss the mark and you only get the 5. Receivers are obviously an important part of the equation too.
Without looking at the stats though, I’d be surprised if Aaron Rodgers’ receivers aren’t at or near the top in terms of YAC due to his tremendous accuracy.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
3rd best in the NFL!!!
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Passing&rank=228&year=2012
February 13th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
I would hope that just hitting a guy in stride on a 5 yard pass is considered standard QB play and not good QB play.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both
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All by himself, DeBarge’?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Rodgers was 7th.
Brady
Brees
Palmer
STafford
Ryan
Romo
Rodgers
Peyton
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
3rd best in the NFL!!!
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Passing&rank=228&year=2012
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So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Bottom line DA is warming the seat for Gruden said it before the Olson hire. After two off seasons and a collection of picks and cap space he will return. Like it or not.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both
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If you had a brain in your head? you would know he was carted off on the first play of his first playoff game against Pittsburgh, you Big Dummy.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Joeckel would do well in any system. He’s got exceptionally quick feet, great athleticism and technical skill, which makes him an ideal LT in today’s NFL. I get that because he’s got the quick feet people talk him up as better in the ZBS, but he’s not some onetrick, system-specific guy.-
February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
244.KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
238.KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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I can imagine a lot of what if bs.
You Palmer people want all the credit for passing for 4,ooo yds,and blame the WR’s who caught the passes for the losses.
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I’m afraid I have no idea what you’re talking about. I watched pretty much every minute of the games this year, and although I am far from an expert, it appeared to me that our receivers struggled in the area that I mentioned.
My point was that we needed a guy that Palmer could rely on to make the tough catch, and be able to catch the deep ball consistently.
Any offense that possesses a weapon like that becomes more dangerous, and the team benefits from it. The quarterback is part of the team, so he benefits right along with everyone else.
That’s a good thing, right?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both
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All by himself, DeBarge’?
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Then, when he leaves Cincy they start going to the playoffs, Bootlicker.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Very interesting names on that list. Goes to show you how a good QB elevates those around him.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
2015………
February 13th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Joeckel would do well in any system. He’s got exceptionally quick feet, great athleticism and technical skill, which makes him an ideal LT in today’s NFL. I get that because he’s got the quick feet people talk him up as better in the ZBS, but he’s not some onetrick, system-specific guy.-
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He is not a mauler, beeen documented since he was a sophmore….ZBS guy
February 13th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
KoolKell Says: So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.
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Yeah, Brisiel was obviously upper tier, and I don’t know why they put Barnes back in when he healed, ‘cuz his replacement was awesome.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:35 pm
I would hope that just hitting a guy in stride on a 5 yard pass is considered standard QB play and not good QB play.
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Yes. And hitting a guy forty yards down the field in stride is standard. And Pryor can’t do either. Geno Smith might have the same problem against better competition as well.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
Shane was 10th in average, 20th in net, and 27th for inside the 20 punts last season.
He has got to go, he has morphed into an average kicker overnight.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both
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All by himself, DeBarge’?
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Then, when he leaves Cincy they start going to the playoffs, Bootlicker.
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Were they in the playoffs this season? Funny thing, didn’t notice?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Raider E Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both
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If you had a brain in your head? you would know he was carted off on the first play of his first playoff game against Pittsburgh, you Big Dummy.
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After hitting a 60 yard bomb. In stride.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Willie Smith did stink, one of the worst ratings of any tackle on PFF.
But Barnes and Veldheer both graded out better than average in pass protection, better than Jake Long and Michael Oher.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Hey, Kell. I was wondering if you could tell me how many playoff games Palmer has played in? And how’d he do?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I like Palmer and Pryor. But we need to find our QB for the next 10 years. We haven’t had one of those types since Gannon and too bad he was old and got injured.
The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
3rd best in the NFL!!!
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Passing&rank=228&year=2012
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So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.
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Not necessarily. What that means is these veteran Q’s can see breakdowns in protections and get rid of the rock. That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
We needed two things in particular in terms of our WR corps: To better use DHB to accentuate his strong skills once the ball is in his hands and a receiver who could be counted on to move the chains and catch passes in the red zone. Look at what Boldin does for the Ravens in those situations and Welker for the Pats and Tony G in Atlanta. Those guys were very important to those teams because they turned punts into first downs. We had no reliable guy like that. The closest we had was Myers, who would routinely get 6 yards on 3rd and 7.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Word up @ #282
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
284.Chris in NY Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
We needed two things in particular in terms of our WR corps: To better use DHB to accentuate his strong skills once the ball is in his hands and a receiver who could be counted on to move the chains and catch passes in the red zone. Look at what Boldin does for the Ravens in those situations and Welker for the Pats and Tony G in Atlanta. Those guys were very important to those teams because they turned punts into first downs. We had no reliable guy like that. The closest we had was Myers, who would routinely get 6 yards on 3rd and 7.
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DHB should be in the slot. I’ve been saying it for two years.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
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I sure hope so.
Someone posted earlier that the Raiders had the 2nd ranked D over the last 25% of the Season.
I didn’t fact check, but if true, that’s promising.
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It’s true. It was said that we were the # 3 D the last 4 games but an SI article said we were actually # 2. 4th against the pass and 9th in sacks.
The koolaid says we continue the trend in 2013.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Palmer was once an elite QB, if he didn’t have his leg rolled up in 2005 who knows what they could have done.
But that was 8 years ago, he got a chance to go back to the playoffs 4 years ago and went Joe Webb on us.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
He has got to go, he has morphed into an average kicker overnight.
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He bounced a lot inside the tenty that got misplayed. Don’t know if he’s losing hang time but the players were there. Coaching?
I still think he should stay and be #3 Qb as well. Roll with Palmer and Pryor.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Not necessarily. What that means is these veteran Q’s can see breakdowns in protections and get rid of the rock. That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play
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Exactly, you can come up with whatever what if you want, and have, Seymour
February 13th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
I like Palmer and Pryor. But we need to find our QB for the next 10 years. We haven’t had one of those types since Gannon and too bad he was old and got injured.
The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.
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With SO many other holes to fill I don’t think it would make sense to have four Q’s and a high draft pick gone at a position that you already have sewn up for 3-4 years.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.
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I would agree with this, but not calling you out specifically, but people can’t have it both ways.
On one breathe they say our O-line stinks and someone like Brady’s is awesome. When you see the sacks and QB hits are about dead even, then it is the QB getting the ball out quickly. So if so, then why do we care about drafting O-lineman at the top of the draf?
It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.
Top 5 rushing team back to back years? Don’t matter.
Top 5 pass procteting team back to back years? It’s the QB (even though 4 different guys started the last 2 years).
Pretty good grades at T by PFF? Stupid stats.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Not my quote. a couple of snippets;
“Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”
However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
ESPN Insider by way of:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
February 13th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
DeBarge’, your a hypocrite.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.
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One of the best excuses is;
Knapp.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
I wouldn’t draft a QB this year. See how things go with Palmer. Give him 8 games and assess where we’re out. If we’ve got a shot at the postseason, ride with CP. If the team is struggling, give Pryor the reins for the second half. Next year’s QB class is much better anyway.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Anybody else get a wordpress hiccup when submitting?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
0-2 in playoff games in 9 yrs, and people in here comparing him to Joe Namath, Dan Marino?
February 13th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.
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I would agree with this, but not calling you out specifically, but people can’t have it both ways.
On one breathe they say our O-line stinks and someone like Brady’s is awesome. When you see the sacks and QB hits are about dead even, then it is the QB getting the ball out quickly. So if so, then why do we care about drafting O-lineman at the top of the draf?
It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.
Top 5 rushing team back to back years? Don’t matter.
Top 5 pass procteting team back to back years? It’s the QB (even though 4 different guys started the last 2 years).
Pretty good grades at T by PFF? Stupid stats.
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I think I can answer that. Our Oline played horribly for the lst 9 or 10 weeks of the season. The last six or seven weeks they played much better. That was the result of Barnes coming back at RT and the Oline generally jelling. One thing that is almost unanimous is posters here think Briesel was a terrible signing. What most posters don’t know is Briesel played almost the entire season with torn ankle ligaments which required surgery immediately after the season.
February 13th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
DeBarge’, STFU!!!!
February 13th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
If Geno is off the board, and we can’t trade down, I think our two to pick from will be Millner and Mingo.
We gave up a franchise record in passing yards last year I believe.
I think Milner is more of a top-shelf prospect at his position though, so I would learn towards him.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
504 Raider Says:
The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.
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That’s more insane than me wanting to roll with Lechler as our #3 QB. No offense.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Anybody else get a wordpress hiccup when submitting?
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I did and my post didn’t show up either.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
If you believe this, CB’s will be high on the list.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
February 13th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
We gave up so many passing yards primarily because we were 31st in sacks, and most importantly because Chubby Checker didn’t have a single speed, edge rusher on the roster. On defense we really missed the impact of Wimbley who could apply quick, consistent pressure off the edge.
Passing attacks are so sophisticated today and QBs can victimize other defenders if he has time. The key is minimizing the time he has and giving him happy feet.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
The Raiders are not picking Geno with the first pick. They need DB’s D line, O line holes everywhere…..
February 13th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
What most posters don’t know is Briesel played almost the entire season with torn ankle ligaments which required surgery immediately after the season.
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I was aware of that and hope that was his problem. A perfect storm of Barnes having no backup, Brisiel playing hurt, and nobody knowing what the fck
Knapp was talking about, including Knapp.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
If you believe this, CB’s will be high on the list.
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
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That DA didn’t funnly install his defensive scheme or even half of it is an interesting notion. However, one of the comments makes an interesting point…
“Not having the right personnel didn’t stop DA from letting Knapp install his system fully.”
February 13th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
That DA didn’t funnly install his defensive scheme or even half of it is an interesting notion. However, one of the comments makes an interesting point…
“Not having the right personnel didn’t stop DA from letting Knapp install his system fully.”
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Didn’t catch that. Pretty funny. Maybe DA is all defense.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
PER : : : RotoWorld says Brisiel and Tollefson to be released
Brisiel would save 2.8 mil
Tollefson: 1.6
February 13th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Evening, P-man, PFB, DJJ, R-AD, and everyone else!
PFB, just wanted to say a belated thank you for the links to the salary cap lesson. I thought I had a general understanding of the salary cap and the way you discussing it with Gdog made sense, but the more he countered, the more confused I became. Learned much about it that I didn’t know. Thanks very much!
February 13th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
And WTF is Beeech?! I was hoping he’d add some levity in past week or so.
February 13th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
:pootbutt:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
February 13th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
My take on the OC’s words:
1) Yes, Pryor will get a long look (what else did you expect him to say after the year of the unconventional qb? And, they SHOULD give him a look–but remember that they have to. They hear the chattering from people who are unhappy with a 4-12 season and so it would be insanity to say there is no qb competition, even if they know the results of said competition.)
2) Olson’s words are a message to Pryor: you can’t compete at qb with the Raiders unless you can not only run for first downs but also be primarily a guy who can make quality decisions, stand in the pocket, deliver the ball accurately to moving targets.
In short, a very politic message to 1)fans (yes, we want to get better and are trying and looking at all possibilities; 2) a message to Pryor (you got some first downs, you scored a couple of tds, but you had better show us something way beyond the escapability your legs afford you and 3) a message to Carson Palmer (the natives are restless).
February 13th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
To the people singing the I can’t believe how bad our WR’s are stuff…
Reminder, they’re not and that’s not what you were saying coming into the 2012 season.
Look back at 2011, with the right offense, there were some pretty good performances early on and up to mid-season, specially from DHB and Moore, even with guys in and out of the lineup due to injuries.
Then, over the last 3 weeks, with Palmer, DHB and Moore getting more familiar with each other and the Offense, we saw their potential together:
DHB and Moore finished 2011 -averaging- a combined 10 catches for 186 yards and 1 TD per game, with an outstanding average of 19.5 yards per catch over the last 3 games……pretty darn good, uh?.
We were supposed to build on that finish and have those guys continue to grow and build on their relationship with Palmer and the Offensive system in place.
Instead, some genius decided to scrap that Offense and install something that nobody was comfortable with…and it showed.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
310.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
PER : : : RotoWorld says Brisiel and Tollefson to be released
Brisiel would save 2.8 mil
Tollefson: 1.6
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Best news all day.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
504 Raider Says:
The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.
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That’s more insane than me wanting to roll with Lechler as our #3 QB. No offense.
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LOL
You people…
February 13th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
310.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
PER : : : RotoWorld says Brisiel and Tollefson to be released
Brisiel would save 2.8 mil
Tollefson: 1.6
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Best news all day.
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That’s great but is it true? I still haven’t seen verification about Seymour being done in Oakland as reported by SB Report.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Evening,
February 13th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
more shrek mistakes briesel and tollefson…but hey hes a personnel guy.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
yeah right…da didnt install his defense…we saw it the first half of the season 20 yards off zone coverage…unless he was biding his time as they got smashed..
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Roto World just takes quotes from other sources and then attaches a headline to it that is major speculation.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Seymour is gone DJ Johnny.
Paul Gutierrez reported it on CSN BayArea. Raiders have a policy to not comment on contracts.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
Hey, I havent been on here for quite awhile and this dipshet keeps saying the same mierda. lol
So, Pryor will be getting a shot at being the starter? I guess the semi’s that share the same opinions with the pro’s will be upset.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:16 pm
Brisiel and Tollefson are no-brainers, there’s 4.4 million in savings, then pft said we have 4.5 million of adjusted unused cap space from 2012 that we can choose to carry over to the 2013 cap (or we can choose not to), let’s just say we do and there’s 9 million available not currently accounted for.
There will be some money to spend, just like there was last year when we spend over 10 million of new money on veterans like Brisiel, Bartell, Barnes, Tollefson, Spencer and others, except this time we’ll have more, let’s see how we use it this time.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
more shrek mistakes briesel and tollefson…but hey hes a personnel guy.
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but……but……………he didn’t have any money, lol. Fkin excuse makers, I hope Reggie does alot better this year because the players he paid decent money for sucked, if it wasn’t for Wheeler I would say every player he brought in didn’t work out, not good at all
February 13th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
If Reggie did cut Brisiel and Tollefson I would applaud a GM who realizes a mistake in 1 year and rectifies it. Would you rather go another year with the mistake?
Step up to the plate, swing, miss and head back to dugout with your head down. Don’t stand there arguing with the umpire holding up the rest of the game.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:20 pm
Been gone a while. Glad to be back.
Regarding Rotoworld.com reporting Briesel and Tollefson targets of release, they are playing off the speculation and conjecture CSN Bay Area posed with potential salary cap relief.
Also read that ESPN Insider article about DA using less than 60 percent of his defensive system last season. Interesting stuff. Basically said personnel limitations was the cause of the humiliation on the D side.
Looks like, based off of reading the ESPN piece, defense will be a heavy focus draft day/free agency. ESPN piece notes corner back is a huge area of concern for DA and McKenzie.
April and the days and weeks leading up to it are going to be interesting.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
That’s more insane than me wanting to roll with Lechler as our #3 QB. No offense.
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Raider O Says: LOL
You people…
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But I’m serious.
I guess 504 is too.
Then again, I’m not writing palmer off after this year. I see two easy, three not unlikely.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Realtruraider
And Wheeler was paid the absolute vet minimum.
Makes you wonder why the other 31 teams in the league didn’t ink Philip before he signed with Oakland.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Watched the Greg Olson meet-the-media video on Raiders.com.
Dude takes a veiled shot at the players’ performances with the “I’m not naive enough to believe it was all Greg Knapp’s fault” in regards to offensive shortcomings last season.
That, along with Olson’s desire to return to the gap-power, downhill running scheme, are good attributes.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Instead of having these stat battles on Palmer and other QB’s remember a case can be made for almost any player on any team for why they’re good.
Is Dilfer better than Marino? C’mon now. Dilfer won a Super Bowl didn’t he? Wait. I thought it was ALL about the QB and the only stat that matters is wins and losses.
I can make a strong case right now that Denver screwed up by replacing Tebow with Peyton Manning…on paper at least.
Tebow’s a winner. TWO national titles. He takes over a 2-6 Denver team and goes 6-2 and wins the division, AND tops it off with a playoff win over Pittsburgh. He can’t pass? He does it by throwing for 336 yd’s including a long td pass to win in OT.
Then that loser Peyton Manning comes in and wins some meaningless reg season games and instead of a glorious td pass to win his first playoff game..like Tebow did…Peyton chokes and throws an interception in OT. Comparitively, instead of choking in the heat of the moment like Manning, Tebow is clutch when it counts the most and throws a long TD pass..shredding the Pittsburgh D like only Tebow can.
Tebow = Winner
Manning = Choker
Go ahead and talk about Manning’s SB. ANCIENT HISTORY. Does Denver need a 37 yr. old washed up loser like Peyton, or a young PROVEN WINNER like Tebow?
At least Tebow won a playoff game for Denver.
See how ridiculous that was? Is Tebow REALLY better than Peyton Manning? ARE U KIDDING ME?
Almost anything can get spun.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Instead, some genius decided to scrap that Offense and install something that nobody was comfortable with…and it showed.
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True, but don’t forget that the guy that hired the genius and stood by him the entire year is going to be back.
It was painfully obvious as early as the Az pre-season game that Krapp’s ‘reinventing’ the offense was going to be disastrous.
Smiling Titty Boy doesn’t get a pass due to his ‘rookie’ status for failing to realize Krapp was going to be a disaster and taking pre-emptive corrective actions.
Thank God Krapp was finally dismissed, but the whole episode raises very troubling questions about STB’s suitability to lead this team, or any other, moving forward.
STB gets another shot in 2013 due to a perceived lack of personnel, need for some continuity, and the fact that it was his first stint as a HC.
He’s got a lot to prove to this fan.
I don’t like the guy and have no faith in him.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Yeah, the best players Reggie brought in were the cheap ones. He struck out on the few players he paid more than the vet min, I guess he atleast can find some serviceable players on the cheap, but he will have to hit on some of the mid tier players this year
February 13th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
If Brisiel did play as hurt and as long as reported because we had no depth, I’ll reserve judgement. And hats off to him for hanging tough. Don’t know about Tollefson. If he couldn’t crack that defense for more playing time, something’s wrong.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Watched the Greg Olson meet-the-media video on Raiders.com.
Dude takes a veiled shot at the players’ performances with the “I’m not naive enough to believe it was all Greg Knapp’s fault” in regards to offensive shortcomings last season.
That, along with Olson’s desire to return to the gap-power, downhill running scheme, are good attributes.
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I didn’t really like that comment for some reason, I think its because it sounded like he is tryin to come in with an excuse all ready, Im so fkin tired of all the excuse bs
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Bob Marley Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
To the people singing the I can’t believe how bad our WR’s are stuff…
Reminder, they’re not and that’s not what you were saying coming into the 2012 season.
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All due respect Bob, but that’s exactly what I was saying coming into the 2012 season.
We don’t have a consistent, big-play/big catch receiver on this team. We need one, at least.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Realtruraider
Indeed. Agree completely with that.
On a similar — yet different note — how much does Al Davis dumping Stevie Brown look now?
Hindsight is 20-20, but man, what Stevie did last year with the G-Men, 8 picks…
February 13th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
338.realtruraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Watched the Greg Olson meet-the-media video on Raiders.com.
Dude takes a veiled shot at the players’ performances with the “I’m not naive enough to believe it was all Greg Knapp’s fault” in regards to offensive shortcomings last season.
That, along with Olson’s desire to return to the gap-power, downhill running scheme, are good attributes.
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I didn’t really like that comment for some reason, I think its because it sounded like he is tryin to come in with an excuse all ready, Im so fkin tired of all the excuse bs
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So, are you saying that it WAS all Greg Knapp’s fault?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
Brisiel’s toughness is without question. He played with a fracture in his leg with the Texans.
Wonder how he will fit into the new power scheme. He’s a ZBS specialist.
Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:35 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Seymour is gone DJ Johnny.
Paul Gutierrez reported it on CSN BayArea. Raiders have a policy to not comment on contracts.
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Ok. Didn’t realize it’d been verified. Thx.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
DJ Johnny. I remember a lot of epic shootouts between the Chargers and Raiders in the eighties. Fouts and Plunkett. I be hard pressed, deep down where I’m logical, to say Plunk was as good as Fouts, let alone better. But Plunkett won 2 SB’s, Fouts 0. So in the words of everyone’s favorite poster, they’re not even on the same planet.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
You guys are more in the know than I am. How would the Raiders approach Palmer about a restructure/pay cut/whatever? Do the Raiders speak with CP’s agent, then the agent talks to CP, and back and forth that way or does CP sit in on the discussions with the Raiders from the start?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
The raiders need good leadership that can articulate the game of football at a level that will change the culture of the raiders approach to football. For the last 12 years the raiders have been trying to find the right players by over paying for players hoping to land 2-3 good free agents that will take them to glory. It’s like playing monopoly hoping that someone lands on boardwalk or park place and then you win. The funny thing about these free agents, none of them are free.
Most are players who have been the league for a while and have tons of question marks. I think RM and DA should take their time to rebuild this team but first they need to move on from the past mistakes. They need to purge the players that are not going to be able to follow the directions and expectations set by the coaches.
Change is uncomfortable for all the coaches and playes but when you look at the big picture, change is the right thing for the long term. Palmer is a very good qb that has made a lot of things happen in the nfl. He is leader that has to make a decision for his future or the decision will be made for him. He is on a team that has been playing monoply with FAs for so long that his production dont justify his salary and he is not the only player in this position. This is actually a good time to change the culture of the raiders. The organization need to be transparent with the mistakes and take responsibility, make the necessary changes going forward, and focus on the future,
Mastering the fundamentals of the game starts with developing a culure of trust. Set the expectations.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:33 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
Brisiel’s toughness is without question. He played with a fracture in his leg with the Texans.
Wonder how he will fit into the new power scheme. He’s a ZBS specialist.
Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.
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Hey Jack. That’s interesting cuz isn’t the elimination of the cut block on the owners meeting docket this year? I heard it was. Aren’t the lower blocks a big part of what the zbs is all about?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
DJ Johnny
That’s what I hear. League/owners looking to protect D-lineman and linebacker.
Going to be interesting to see what happens. Jacksonville is also going full ZBS according to Florida papers.
May see a lot of ZBS teams next year.
In my opinion, New England has a good mix with their hybrid zone-power schemes. And of course, Tommy Cable’s unit up in Seattle is a good group as well.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
DJ Johnny. I remember a lot of epic shootouts between the Chargers and Raiders in the eighties. Fouts and Plunkett. I be hard pressed, deep down where I’m logical, to say Plunk was as good as Fouts, let alone better. But Plunkett won 2 SB’s, Fouts 0. So in the words of everyone’s favorite poster, they’re not even on the same planet.
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Exactly. I love Plunkett but talent wise compared to Fouts?
You could rightly say Plunkett is more of a “winner” than Fouts though.
I get what you’re saying.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
If Brisiel and Tollefson are cut, then we should have yet another new story from Cork. Mebbe on Thursday. I don’t know if I can take a new post two days in a row!
February 13th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.
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Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
If the Raiders exercise their option to void Seymours contract, they have to notify the NFL who will then release the news with about a day delay. Paul Gutierrez’s article of the other day did not say he had been voided, only what the contract ramifications are if he is. Which everyone assumes. If there’s been further updates, sorry, i hadn’t heard.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
Indeed. Paul G doesn’t outright say it, but, he’s operating under the assumption Seymour is no lnoger a Raider according to a National Football Post report…
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/seymours-contract-voiding-mixed-bag
February 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Googled Seymour news. Nothing definitive out there. Bronco’s want him according to blechher report. That’s why I have A Raider news google search that omits bleccher report.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Seymour is still listed on the team roster at the Raiders’ web site as of thse keystrokes.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
*these
February 13th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Everybody assumes it. Still on the official Raider roster. Don’t know how on top of that they are now that the season is over, but they were during the season.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
With the way his Miami Dolphins teams were able to push the Raiders around, I’m interested to see what impact Tony Sparano will have in Oakland.
The interview on Raiders.com presents him as a no-nonsense type of coach.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
So, are you saying that it WAS all Greg Knapp’s fault?
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NO, but obviously the regression on offense was mostly Knapps fault, how could any one argue this? Regression across the board on offense, heck across the board on the whole team, maybe DA should get more of the blame?
Anyway Im just tired of all the excuses. When Knapp was hired last year he talked up the offense and couldn’t wait to call plays for this bunch (who wouldn’t be excited after watch the film from the previous 2 years). So What happened? Same Starters on offense for the most part, did the players just get that much worse or was it Knapps Krapp scheme and playcalling?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
http://www.raiders.com/team/roster.html
February 13th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
February 13th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
Instead of having these stat battles on Palmer and other QB’s remember a case can be made for almost any player on any team for why they’re good.
Is Dilfer better than Marino? C’mon now. Dilfer won a Super Bowl didn’t he? Wait. I thought it was ALL about the QB and the only stat that matters is wins and losses.
I can make a strong case right now that Denver screwed up by replacing Tebow with Peyton Manning…on paper at least.
Tebow’s a winner. TWO national titles. He takes over a 2-6 Denver team and goes 6-2 and wins the division, AND tops it off with a playoff win over Pittsburgh. He can’t pass? He does it by throwing for 336 yd’s including a long td pass to win in OT.
Then that loser Peyton Manning comes in and wins some meaningless reg season games and instead of a glorious td pass to win his first playoff game..like Tebow did…Peyton chokes and throws an interception in OT. Comparitively, instead of choking in the heat of the moment like Manning, Tebow is clutch when it counts the most and throws a long TD pass..shredding the Pittsburgh D like only Tebow can.
Tebow = Winner
Manning = Choker
Go ahead and talk about Manning’s SB. ANCIENT HISTORY. Does Denver need a 37 yr. old washed up loser like Peyton, or a young PROVEN WINNER like Tebow?
At least Tebow won a playoff game for Denver.
See how ridiculous that was? Is Tebow REALLY better than Peyton Manning? ARE U KIDDING ME?
Almost anything can get spun.
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Are you trying to bring in common sense? Some people refuse to use it.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Realtruraider
No one on the Raiders — be it staff, players, past or present — is absolved from the offense’s performance (or lack thereof) last season. No one.
For a while there, D-Moore was Denarius Heyward-Bey with all those drops he had.
And once Palmer anointed Brandon Myers as having ‘the best hands on the team’ he also caught a case of the dropsies.
And while it wasn’t keen on DMC’s strengths, Mike Goodson, Marcel Reece and Jeremy Stewart ran pretty well in the ZBS.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says: Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.
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Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.
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Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.
February 13th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
If the Raiders haven’t voided Seymour’s contract, does he have _any_ trade value? With his injuries, etc.?
February 13th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
May see a lot of ZBS teams next year.
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Interesting, considering all the talk about getting rid of the cut block
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.
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The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Try Some Reality Says: Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.
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Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.
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Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.
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Exactly…and someone a few day’s back got severely angry i said the same thing, cried about how it wasn’t Knapp’s fault.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Realtruraider
No one on the Raiders — be it staff, players, past or present — is absolved from the offense’s performance (or lack thereof) last season. No one.
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Jack, with all due respect, I beg to differ. I would not hold Jim Otto to account for last year’s performance.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
It was obvious to most of Raider Nation and NFL people that DMC and Palmer and our WRs were not a good fit for Knapps Krapp, I cannot for the life of me understand what DA and Reggie were thinkin, chalk it up as Rookie mistake I guess
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Knapp’s ZBS appeared destined to fail as soon as he brought along neophyte offensive line coach Frank Pollack with him from Houston.
It’s no surprise Knapp and Pollack were the first two gone. Interestingly enough, Johnny Holland, another ex-Texans coach, was dumped along with the aforementioned duo.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
You can add our Oline to that list also smh
February 13th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Realtruraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
It was obvious to most of Raider Nation and NFL people that DMC and Palmer and our WRs were not a good fit for Knapps Krapp, I cannot for the life of me understand what DA and Reggie were thinkin, chalk it up as Rookie mistake I guess
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I guess thats all we can do. However, its shocking they didn’t see it coming, rookie or not.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Scourge
I blame Tom Walsh… haha!
Honestly, Walsh can look and point the finger at Knapp for having an offense as worse, if not more inept, than his bed & breakfast O.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
G’evening fellas.
The heavy hitters are in the house tonight. Bob Marley, Ed Teach, Chris in NY, Vegas, DJ Johnny and Raider O. And many others. No name calling and childish antics.
Some of the best this blog has to offer.
I’m kind of curious about the Seymour situation, myself. It just seems odd. I read where Paul G mentioned it in the Bay area, but why hasn’t the national media picked it up and ran with it.
I haven’t seen anything on BSPN about it. They never seem to pass up the opportunity to poke the Raiders with a sharp stick.
It’s been scrolling across the bottom of the NFLN crawl for three days that Miami is planning on bringing in competition for their kicker next year.
Surely, the Raiders voiding Richard Seymour’s contract would merit a blurb or something.
I’m not saying it is just rumor and didn’t happen or is going to happen…but is there any confirmation? Is it official?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
hmmmmm. Didn’t like a single mrgreen due to duplicate message. Didn’t like 2 mrgreens. Oh, well….
February 13th, 2013 at 10:05 pm
I remember when the news broke in December about Seymour’s contract voiding.. didn’t the SF Chron’s Vic Tafur report the cap hit was minimal?
The presently reported dead money hit on Seymour’s contract is a big chunk of change.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
So Dr. Bob says he’s giving up the blog for Lent. Uh-huh. Right.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
G’evening fellas.
The heavy hitters are in the house tonight. Bob Marley, Ed Teach, Chris in NY, Vegas, DJ Johnny and Raider O. And many others. No name calling and childish antics.
Some of the best this blog has to offer.
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Yeah, man.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
And then there is the cap hit from when Rolando McClain is eventually jettisoned from Oakland. Haven’t been able to find any concrete numbers.
CSN Bay Area’s Paul G says: “$7.26 million in dead money towards him in 2013″.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
Well, it’s time for little Scourgy to go beddy-byes. Nightey-night, all.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:12 pm
maybe they are tryin to restructure Seymours contract once again to minimize the cap hit, Im not a cap guy and not sure how his contract is, it sounds like we had an option to void it, maybe they decided against that option because of the crazy dead money cap hit
February 13th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Scourge Says: You guys are more in the know than I am. How would the Raiders approach Palmer about a restructure/pay cut/whatever? Do the Raiders speak with CP’s agent, then the agent talks to CP, and back and forth that way or does CP sit in on the discussions with the Raiders from the start?
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Here’s my opinion. I’m reposting from yeserday.
We’re probably all making something out of nothing.
If the possibility of Palmer playing well and the Raiders sucking nonetheless, especially with the Knapp hiring,
didn’t occur to the two sides crafting the restructure last year, then Palmers agent is an idiot, as is Reggie. The language should already be there, or at least an understanding.
Palmer’s agent may not have been privy to the Raiders other
contract and cap issues, but if Reggie didn’t foresee the situation he’d be in this year, maybe GM is of more concern than QB.
If you don’t think Palmer played well, that’s another story.
I do.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:17 pm
Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.
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I don’t blame the ZBS much at all. It was Knapp being completely over his head organizing an entire offense all by himself.
He has an IQ maybe barely in triple digits (IMO) and a complete narcissist. Thats a horrible horrible combination. I don’t care if its a ma and pa ice cream stand, or a NFL football team, there is no way it can work.
This was doomed for failure from the get-go.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Didn’t exactly answer you’re question, but that’s kinda what these guys do for a living. There shouldn’t be any major surprises on either side, IMO.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
367.rudegruden Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.
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The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.
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Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?
Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.
If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.
It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
DJ Johnny…Nice post 334. That’s good stuff.
I share your optimism. It’s constant doom and gloom around here. 2013 will likely be another long year in the rebuilding process, but…you just never know.
Best case scenario..the switch back to a power scheme brings out the best in McFadden. He stays relatively healthy and balls out in his contract year.
Palmer takes advantage and uses play action to throw beautiful bombs to DMoore, who rebounds from his sophomore slump.
The defense continues to grasp Tarver and Allens scheme and pick up where they left off late last year. Playing much better ball. Aided by the absolute stud they draft at #3, whether it’s Star, Mingo. Whoever. They need a Von Miller, Aldon Smith type of impact pass rusher.
8-8 or 9-7 playoff contention isn’t out of the question. Pass me a cup of that kool-aid.
Stranger things have happened.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
scourge–i am. i said i was out earlier cuz i figured i wouldn’t have time before the night was up, but i had a minute to check in. but after midnight tonite, it will be Easter before u get me again.
i have been saying for months that geno may be the guy. another guy i said would be a serious contender was milliner. best CB in the draft.
i noticed todd mcshay recently moved him up from #9 to #3 on his board. those guys move players based on what they’ve seen, but also what they’re hearing. cuz they like to be right on when guys will go.
i think milliner might actually be the guy, based on all knowledge. especially considering DA and reggie thought going into the season that it was the one position in need of the biggest improvement and reggie said near the end of the season that he felt the frontline was stout and the coverage was the problem, regarding not getting to the qb.
pass rusher is a big need of course. and several other positions too.
but milliner and adams may be our starting cb’s next season, with ross and branch at safety.
u heard it here: it’s milliner.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:26 pm
I wouldn’t restructure Seymour anything. I’d pay him, give him some fertilizer, a garden hose, and tell him to go home and play with his tree.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
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Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?
Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.
If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.
It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…
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I’ve heard one coach say the second most important position on the squad is backup QB, so I wouldn’t be upset about drafting Geno.
Anything but spending our three without trading down on a flavor-of-the-week defensive player.
Then I will be convinced our franchise is doomed with Reggie. He doesn’t know what he is doing.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
504 Raider Says:
If I was really insane like one suggested,
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That was me, but I said no offense so I’m held harmless. Hah. I’m the one that wants to keep Lechler as #3 QB, and roll the dice with Palmer and Pryor.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I say we win 9 or 10 games this year. The offense became 10Xs better with an announcement and hopefully DA can use about 20% more of his playbook.
Remember we have 4th easiest schedule this year.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
367.rudegruden Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.
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The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.
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Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?
Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.
If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.
It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…
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I wouldn’t think Palmer, Pryor, Smith or the Baylor QB would be Franchise QB’s. I think in a draft like this its really a crap shoot with QB’s. If it was last year with Luck and Griffin who were as good as it gets with promise I would be 100% on board. However, this draft is awful. We made that mistake with Russell. He was ranked high because he was the best of a terrible draft. I think this draft is very similar. Sometimes its just a bad year to draft a QB. I think we drafting in QB in round 3/4 would give us the same odds as 1/2.
But agreed, in this league we need and must find a franchise QB.
I have no problems keeping Palmer around this year since he gives us the best shot to win next year. If we start to tank, give Pryor his shot. If he doesn’t perform we move on.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
That is the question on my mind: Will Shane Lechler be an Oakland Raider next season?
Based on Reggie McKenzie sending Marquette King to the IR — you don’t IR punters unless there is a plan in place — I don’t think Shane returns.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
No way Purvisman,
I mean I know Lechler can Spin It and all but the ball is best served coming off his foot. We need three Real QBs. I’ll take one more for insurance to make four of em.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
lechler is history.
at qb, it’s palmer, pryor, and likely a vet. possibly a rookie.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Well we can all agree to disagree because the bottom line is that Reggie will make some moves in March that will grossly affect what we target in the draft in April. We talking all this stuff about QBs like Geno Smith and whoever the hell is out there and come March Reggie might have Matt Flynn at a presser taking questions from Jerry wearing a BBQ stained shirt.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:32 pm
No way Purvisman,
I mean I know Lechler can Spin It and all but the ball is best served coming off his foot. We need three Real QBs. I’ll take one more for insurance to make four of em.
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Sorry Lechlar is toast. After seeing a Youtube video of King booming a 60 yard punt with 5.5 hang time, I’m thinking… I bet Lechler is putting his house up for sale with this…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.
Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.
During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.
The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.
Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Well we can all agree to disagree because the bottom line is that Reggie will make some moves in March that will grossly affect what we target in the draft in April. We talking all this stuff about QBs like Geno Smith and whoever the hell is out there and come March Reggie might have Matt Flynn at a presser taking questions from Jerry wearing a BBQ stained shirt.
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hahahaha
February 13th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
I see Raiders trading down with Seattle in the mid rounds, they have ten draft picks and don’t want all of them.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
lechler is history.
at qb, it’s palmer, pryor, and likely a vet. possibly a rookie.
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Don’t many/most teams carry just two QBs on squad?
I’m guessing over half…
Lechler is toast. He was actually one of the bottom rated punters in some categories last year (cough POOCH KICKS.)
He had a nice ride with us…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.
Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.
During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.
The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.
Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.
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I wouldn’t have a problem with that either. Its a bad year for a #3 pick. Either way if we can’t trade down (which would be difficult), we are probably over drafting someone.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Most assume Lechler will go elsewhere because of how much he was making here. But he’s a free agent and I think he knows he already got his big payday. He’s not gonna get offered that much any where else at his age, I wouldn’t think, so why not stay here?
He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass. King might have trade value, probably does, and, really, as good as he is, what are the chances we’d be letting the next Ray Guy/ Shane Lechler get away.
I don’t think it’s a no brainer, that’s for sure.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
367.rudegruden Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.
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The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.
————————————————————————————————————–
Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?
Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.
If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.
It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…
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I agree that we need to find a franchise Q. There is just a couple of problems with this draft. lst off this is a poor crop of Q’s. There is not an Andrew Luck or RGIII in this draft. It is a good crop of defensive linemen tho, and we need defensive linemen more than we need a Q right now. 2ndly, if we draft say Geno Smith at third overall, and surround him with garbage, he is almost certainly doomed to fail, which happens to a lot of Q’s that are drafted onto bad teams. That would set this franchise back even further which is absolutely catastrophic to think about.
Now, a lot can happen between now and April. If McKenzie could trade down say, he might be able to get Jonathan Hankins at say 10th or 12th and possibly pick up a 3rd rounder in the process. Then with that extra pick, maybe Dysert the Q from the Miami of Ohio would be a very good pick in that slot.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.
Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.
During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.
The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.
Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.
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Please lawd… no CB or ANY defensive player at 3.
They bust as often as not. Statistics prove it…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:39 pm
I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.
Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.
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Milliner is probably the best corner in the draft, and we need corners. I don’t think he is a “game changing” corner tho, and wouldn’t spend a three on him.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
with no 2nd rounder, it’s a fairly obvious idea that the raiders could move down and pick up a 2nd round pick.
however, if they feel they have a real gamechanger at #3, then they have to take him and move around in the mid and late rounds to accumulate extra picks.
i don’t think u trade down unless u feel u can get just about the same player where u move down. that’s why u have grades and tiers.
but it’s hard to get the same player at #9 or s, as u get at #3.
i mean at #9, ur talking about getting “one of the better players in the draft”, but at #3, ur supposed to be getting “one of THE best”.
i’m saying milliner.
a top CB can make a BIG impact on ur defense.
and DA and reggie are both defensive guys.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
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Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…
February 13th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
a top CB can make a BIG impact on ur defense.
and DA and reggie are both defensive guys.
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My problem with CBs is they are either busts, or they take FOREVER to develop! Asum was hot-garbage for two solid years! Completely clueless. He’d prolly admit the same.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
You make excellent points on Shane returning.
I would like Shane to end his career as a Raider, however, something in my mind says he won’t be back next season.
I’ll go with McKenzie’s “my guy” mentality. I just don’t buy into McKenzie IR-ing King for nothing.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
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This is my biggest fear by not having Shane around. I admit, Jano is my favorite player. However, he’s a head case. Any small change could have a domino effect, that includes changing the holder.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
i don’t think top CB’s bust nearly as much as DL. i think the reason is that when ur watching pass rushers (these are the bust-types), ur watching them against college OL, and u may like their measureables, but when it’s time to line up against nfl LT’s every week, it can get tuff.
but with corners, u have their speed and athletic skills measured and u get to watch a lot of film of them on an island covering. u can really see what they look like covering wr’s. watch their hips turn, their ball skills, how well they DON’T fall for fake moves.
are there really that many top ten cb’s that haven’t panned out as at least quality?
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Gdog Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
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Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…
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yeah. king could just end up being leverage.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
Dr_robert Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Gdog Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
He might get offered 2 million, so then Reggie has to decide if he wants to roll the dice on King for what 600,000? Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
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Hmm EXCELLENT point. Reconsidering…
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yeah. king could just end up being leverage.
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I think Shane is gone just based on what I’ve seen with Reggie.
February 13th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
I would be VERY surprised to see Lechler back.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Remember, Jano’s not going anywhere, and no body else has ever held and placed the ball for Seabass.
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This is my biggest fear by not having Shane around. I admit, Jano is my favorite player. However, he’s a head case. Any small change could have a domino effect, that includes changing the holder.
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Hmm, otoh, he’s such a veteran and got such a massive leg, I am not sure it would matter much. I can see Jano kicking 55 yarders for another ten years… seriously.
Thanx Al!
February 13th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
A well oiled team with lots of continuity across the board, especialy management and coaching can occasionly get lucky with a #3 QB, if the other two go down. That does not describe the Raiders. That’s why I’m serious about Shane as number 3. Frees up a roster spot and saves you the money of the #3, another 600,000. We lose Palmer and Pryor, we’re screwed anyway.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 13th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
I would be VERY surprised to see Lechler back.
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Yea.. I agree.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
I do have more faith in Pryor than some, though I think he’s a year away.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
An enjoyable late night football ONLY chat without the usual garbage.
Thanx guys and good night…
February 13th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
If Rolando is done in Silver & Black, as it appears he is, one intriguing possibility might be Georgia ILB Alec Ogletree. Maybe not @ 3, but if the Raiders trade back a few spots.
Mel Kiper had him as his fastest riser, maybe passing his more heralded teammate OLB Jarvis Jones. They showed about 4 or 5 highlights. Gawd. This guy is a beast. sideline to sideline range. He doesn’t just tackle people, he tries to break them in half. Nasty.
If any of you guys that are more tech savvy than I , would post a link to his youtube clip, I’d appreciate it. Dude looks impressive.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24FvP-tyyTs
February 13th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Qgletree is very talented but small. Built like a Safety and plays like one too.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Buckeyeraider, just google Alec Ogletree video, and the green url address is the second line(www. etc.etc). Highlight that line(left click,drag cursor) Copy(right click,choose copy) than comeback to this tab and Paste(right click, choose paste)
Copy and paste any site or window the same way by copying the address bar(www. again etc.)
This site will occasionally not let you do it for some sites, but it usually works.
Sorry if I went to basic, but you never know.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Buckeyeraider, by the way, when you paste it here in the comment box it wont appear blue or highlighted, but magically does when posted.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Detroit would be the ideal trade partner to garner a 2nd round pick; with Joeckel going to Kansas City, Detroit might be willing to give up that 2nd to get Fischer ahead of Philadelphia, or go after Miliner, they will not be drafting Star as they are deep at DT.
So we could get either Star, Miliner, or Fischer; or Warmack or still one of the top DEs.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:52 pm
Raiders could possibly get a late 2nd or 3rd for Janokowski to a playoff contender; so don’t be too sure on him not going anywhere.
Raiders need LBs more than we need. a FG kicker.
February 13th, 2013 at 11:56 pm
Man, they are on fire over at Silver and Black Pride. 9-10 posts a day, with a lot of good stuff.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:05 am
What’s good nation
February 14th, 2013 at 12:08 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
Raiders could possibly get a late 2nd or 3rd for Janokowski to a playoff contender; so don’t be too sure on him not going anywhere.
Raiders need LBs more than we need. a FG kicker.
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That would suck. I’m not arguing, we need a whole lot of stuff more than kicker or punter. But it would still suck.
Al appreciated the importance of the kicking game more and earlier than other GM’s, as witnessed by being the only one, I think, to spend a #1 on both punter and kicker. Having achieved something close to perfection in the current duo, I thought it would be a great tribute to keep them together as lifetime Raiders. Hell, throw Condo in there too, if he can last that long. Let ‘emall retire together. Too sentimental, I know. Another good tribute would be to win some damn games for a while and then another superbowl or three.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:13 am
It’s all good, Mcfadden20. Pleasent night in here to night. Dr_Rob is about to convert from being a Catholic to being a Protestant. Otherwise, as of midnight, he claims he will be giving up this blog for lent and won’t return ’till Easter. My money’s on conversion.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Thanks 504, Purvis.
G’night fellas.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 am
Buckeye went to bed without saying if he learned how to post a link. I’m hurt.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:33 am
Code black
February 14th, 2013 at 12:34 am
In case you haven’t noticed we have a new post.
February 14th, 2013 at 12:35 am
Night purvis , nation
February 14th, 2013 at 1:24 am
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