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Palmer or Pryor? Raiders keeping open mind

Call it the Colin Kaepernick Effect, due diligence or just plain curiosity, but the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
General manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are steadfast in their stance that Palmer is the odds-on candidate to be the starter once again.
However, it sounds more and more as if Pryor at least will receive a much-longer look than anyone likely envisioned as recently as two months ago.
“In visiting with Dennis and Reggie, I know Reggie’s made the statement that there will always be competition,” Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson said Wednesday. “There has to be competition at every position.
“I don’t ever think you hand anyone a position from season to season or year to year. … We’ll go forward with the direction that the organization sees fit. If they want competition, we’ll have competition.”
Part of that open-mindedness owes to Pryor playing well enough in his one start last season. The other part comes as a result of Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson taking the league by storm the past two seasons.
Of that quartet, Pryor seems most comparable to Kaepernick based on their builds, speed and skill set. Even so, Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.
“We’d like to find that out,” Olson said. “What’s different about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game. They feel great about him as a passer. So he’s a guy that plays full time. It’s not as if they bring him in for a package or a play or two.”
Olson said it’s incumbent upon he and the Raiders discovering whether Pryor can be more than a player that gets featured in a package of plays designed to take advantage of his running ability.
That means seeing if Pryor can flourish in all facets of the game and not just someone that catches defenses off guard in some sort of Wildcat package.
“That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.”
Pryor started Oakland’s final regular-season game last season and showed enough to warrant closer scrutiny during offseason mini camps, training camp and exhibition games.
Palmer, 33, passed for more than 4,000 yards last season before he suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers. He is under contract through 2016.
Third-year player Pryor has two more years left on his rookie contract. The Raiders don’t have any other quarterbacks on their roster right now. Matt Leinart, the primary backup last season, is an unrestricted free agent.

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  • Twocents

    Warning: this is a political comment and could be detrimental to your very life.
    Our dear leader wants to raise the minimum wage to $9.00 per hour. What a cheapskate.
    Why should it not be raised to $100.00 dollars per hour or $1000.00 per hour to be in line with what politicians make?
    I think a man that provides a good burger is far more valuable than a POS politician.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    Ray Charles can see Palmer gives us the best chance to win, and he’s blind and dead.
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    Seymour/Oakglen sockputts eta,

    You can only speak for your multiple personalities, Not Ray Charles.
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    Don’t be angry because Greg Olson basically completely agreed with me. Be angry because your life is over and you didn’t do sh**.

  • Raider E

    Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.

  • DJ Johnny

    RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
    Red Skelton
    —————————
    Loved The Red Skelton Show as a Kid.

    Great comedy.

    Yeah. Classic. They actually have a museum for him in Vincennes.

    It’s good, clean comedy.

  • RaiderLen

    Gotta cut chilla dog Kelly, as well as McClain.

    Seymour is a given. DHB maybe a restructure, at about 1.5.

    Gotta resign Wheeler, and Bryant.

    Draft Star.

    Resign Carter.

  • ian85

    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.
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    No way pass on Geno he is def not worth the third pick Fck that

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    “Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”

    ESPN Insider by way of:
    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season

  • dr_robert

    I suppose the wr crew could surprise. It’s well documented that wr usually emerges in his third year. Moore is coming into his third season. Ford missed his third, so this will be it. Dhb emerged in his third, but wasn’t used as well last season, so it’s very possible he returns to 2011 form. And streater is coming.

    So maybe those guys will step up a level or two. Add Myers, DMc, and Reece and u have what COULD be a strong group. But they have to much better (but that IS POSSIBLE, given the youth).

    Add DMc returning to form and staying healthy (gulp), and a more consistent and healthy OL (gulp), and that’s an offense.

    Pryor could add some big play potential in a slash role too.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    Gotta cut chilla dog Kelly, as well as McClain.

    Seymour is a given. DHB maybe a restructure, at about 1.5.

    Gotta resign Wheeler, and Bryant.

    Draft Star.

    Resign Carter.
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    I am thinking Demontre Moore myself. Possibly Dion Jordan. We are going to need 2 DT’s if they won’t resign either Kelly or Seymour. Hankins might be a good call in that case.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    ian85 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:50 pm

    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
    Still gotta take Geno at #3 and let them all compete. ai think we will be glad we did if it happens.
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    No way pass on Geno he is def not worth the third pick Fck that
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    My feelings exactly.

  • dr_robert

    Huff is mediocre. Cut him.

  • edward teach

    ian85 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
    RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
    Ian85 Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
    If Mcfadden runs effectively in 2013 look out Palmer will tear it up especially off of that play action it will be nasty can’t wait
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    The way the roster is constructed, play action is what it’s all about.

    Great speed on the outside and a Guy that can deliver the ball deep.

    THAT’S what should have happened last season.

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    We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.

    Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.

  • Raider E

    Geno is the pick, to h*ll with dudes.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.

  • dr_robert

    And with that, I’m out for six weeks. Have fun boys.

  • Twocents

    KoolKell, I have bad news for you. The government decreed long ago that it could take any property that it wanted. Now they can kill anybody they want to.
    They have no need for a realtors.

  • RaiderLen

    I am thinking Demontre Moore myself. Possibly Dion Jordan. We are going to need 2 DT’s if they won’t resign either Kelly or Seymour. Hankins might be a good call in that case.
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    Star, Moore, and Joeckle are/were on my early list.

    I wouldn’t be disappointed with any of the 3 at #3.

    I’d hope that Reggie could trade down, and if Guys like Hankins, and Jordan are available, consider them then.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    The more everyone says Seymour is gone(incorrect) or as good as gone, the more curious I am as to why he isn’t gone. Isn’t that rather disrespectful to a player of Sey’s caliber if you indeed are going to release him?
    Not that some of you would mind disrespecting him, but still.
    Being on injured reserve a factor? Can you be on injured reserve after the season?

  • edward teach

    214.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.

    ********************************************************

    I had to laugh reading some of the in-season comments about Tarver being in over his head as a DC.

    He was working with, by and large, the same rockheads that led the entire NFL in penalties (again) and set a modern team record for penalties at the same time (an astonishing feat, when you realize the team they play for). Oh, and a good number of ex-practice squad players, some of whom joined the team after the season started.

    Does anyone really expect a bunch like that to learn and execute an entirely new and complex defensive scheme in one season or less?

    It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.

  • RaiderLen

    We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.

    Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.
    —————————————-
    Hey Teach,

    Ya, you look at what Boldin and The other Kid in Baltimore did in the SB, and It makes Me realize how far off OUR Guys are.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    dr_robert Says:
    Huff is mediocre. Cut him.
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    Yeah, like we have the luxury of cutting mediocre players. Shouldn’t we start with the bad ones?

  • DJ Johnny

    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    Geno is the pick, to h*ll with dudes.

    E, I think Geno will get picked by KC. By the time draft comes around they will have talked themselves into it.

  • RaiderLen

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
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    I sure hope so.

    Someone posted earlier that the Raiders had the 2nd ranked D over the last 25% of the Season.

    I didn’t fact check, but if true, that’s promising.

  • ian85

    RAIDER E Geno will not be the pick not a chance this team has many other needs.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    edward teach Says:
    I had to laugh reading some of the in-season comments about Tarver being in over his head as a DC.
    ======================================================
    I was quoting a James Arcellana article.

    “Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”

    ESPN Insider by way of:
    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.

    “You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis

  • RaiderLen

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.

    “You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis
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    “And pay them in accord with their production.”

    RaiderLen

  • Just Fire Baby

    No matter how he plays, or how many points the defense gives up?

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    Within reason, yes.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:11 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
    It’s like Madden said, the Raiders need players, and a lot of them.

    “You don’t get rid of good players. You go get good players.” Al Davis
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    “And pay them in accord with their production.”

    RaiderLen
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    Agreed.

  • Just Fire Baby

    If Geno is on the board when we pick, we will be on the clock all of about 30 seconds before we send the pick in for him.

  • RaiderDirt

    In order to sign free agents & improve lack of talent on this roster Palmer must restructure his contract!!!

  • edward teach

    220.RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
    We definitely have the guy that can deliver the ball deep. What we DON’T have is anyone that can catch it down there on a consistent basis.

    Could be a problem if it isn’t addressed.
    —————————————-
    Hey Teach,

    Ya, you look at what Boldin and The other Kid in Baltimore did in the SB, and It makes Me realize how far off OUR Guys are.

    ********************************************************

    I’m amazed sometimes at how bad our receivers are. You watch other teams play, and virtually every team you watch has receivers that can make plays and catch the ball. If a Raider receiver actually does make a play on the ball, it’s big news. Denarious Moore’s performance in his first training camp was all anyone could talk about. It was like folks were saying “Finally! We have a guy that can make a play!” Remember all the talk about Criner during this preseason?

    Palmer NEEDS (at least one) guy he can count on.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    If Kansas Shi**y ends up taking Joekel one overall, it is almost mandatory that we take Moore I would think.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Nobody else is curious about Seymour not being released yet?

  • Raider E

    If Geno is on the board when we pick, we will be on the clock all of about 30 seconds before we send the pick in for him.

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    You know I am there with you, JFB.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Hearing grumblings that Joekel is better suited in the ZBS, and Fisher may be the better option for a power-blocking team.

  • Raider E

    isn’t seymours contract voided?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    edward teach Says:
    I’m amazed sometimes at how bad our receivers are. You watch other teams play, and virtually every team you watch has receivers that can make plays and catch the ball.Palmer NEEDS (at least one) guy he can count on.
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    I seem to remember the word on Palmer being that he rarely used his tight ends. No wonder Myers put up the numbers he did.

  • edward teach

    238.KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?

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    NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.

    Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.

  • RaiderLen

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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    WR group is average, at best imo.

    Not one Guy that can take over a game when lined up in a mismatch situation.

    Or rather, no guy that creates a mismatch regardless of the defender.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Raider E Says:
    isn’t seymours contract voided?
    ======================================================

    Let me say it again.
    NONONONONONONONONONO!!!
    Raiders have the option of voiding it if those conditions he didn’t meet weren’t met. He is still listed on their injured reserve list.
    Supposedly, not having the contract automatically void is somehow tied into the money still due him.

  • Just Fire Baby

    We led the NFL in YAC this year didn’t we?

    Agree that down the field is where the issues are, but DHB had some long catch and runs, D-Moore turned a 2 yard pass into a 70 yard gain in KC, and Goodson averaged like 10+ yards a catch out of the backfield.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Edward Teach Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    238.KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?

    ********************************************************

    NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.

    Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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    I can imagine a lot of what if bs.
    You Palmer people want all the credit for passing for 4,ooo yds,and blame the WR’s who caught the passes for the losses.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    edward teach Says:
    NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.
    Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
    ====================================================

    Oh,pshaw. Carson’s a bum. Cut him.

  • RaiderLen

    NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.

    Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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    Exactly.

  • Just Fire Baby
  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm

    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?
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    Palmer good. That’s how.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    You Palmer people? I’m a ‘I want the raiders to win people’

  • Just Fire Baby