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Palmer or Pryor? Raiders keeping open mind

Call it the Colin Kaepernick Effect, due diligence or just plain curiosity, but the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
General manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are steadfast in their stance that Palmer is the odds-on candidate to be the starter once again.
However, it sounds more and more as if Pryor at least will receive a much-longer look than anyone likely envisioned as recently as two months ago.
“In visiting with Dennis and Reggie, I know Reggie’s made the statement that there will always be competition,” Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson said Wednesday. “There has to be competition at every position.
“I don’t ever think you hand anyone a position from season to season or year to year. … We’ll go forward with the direction that the organization sees fit. If they want competition, we’ll have competition.”
Part of that open-mindedness owes to Pryor playing well enough in his one start last season. The other part comes as a result of Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson taking the league by storm the past two seasons.
Of that quartet, Pryor seems most comparable to Kaepernick based on their builds, speed and skill set. Even so, Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.
“We’d like to find that out,” Olson said. “What’s different about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game. They feel great about him as a passer. So he’s a guy that plays full time. It’s not as if they bring him in for a package or a play or two.”
Olson said it’s incumbent upon he and the Raiders discovering whether Pryor can be more than a player that gets featured in a package of plays designed to take advantage of his running ability.
That means seeing if Pryor can flourish in all facets of the game and not just someone that catches defenses off guard in some sort of Wildcat package.
“That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.”
Pryor started Oakland’s final regular-season game last season and showed enough to warrant closer scrutiny during offseason mini camps, training camp and exhibition games.
Palmer, 33, passed for more than 4,000 yards last season before he suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers. He is under contract through 2016.
Third-year player Pryor has two more years left on his rookie contract. The Raiders don’t have any other quarterbacks on their roster right now. Matt Leinart, the primary backup last season, is an unrestricted free agent.

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  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:25 pm

    Raiders were 5th in YAC, excuse me.

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/tmleaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=231
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    But this isn’t just guys breaking tackles. This is about blocks downfield and This is also a Q that can hit guys down the field in stride.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    Raiders were 5th in YAC, excuse me.
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    When DHB does catch the ball, especially with any kind of momentum, he can be scary good.

  • Chris in NY

    Seeing some mocks now where Ezekial Ansah is predicted to go in the top 10. Drawing comparisons to JPP as a freak athlete who’s new to the game and has alot of upside but some risk as well.

    This was a guy I was thinking maybe we could drop down and get him in the midfirst, but that’s no longer a reality. Still love Alex Okafor in a drop down to the mid/late first. Edge rusher is definitely Need No. 1.

    As for BPA, it’s Joeckel 1, Star Lotulelei 2 and 3 is debatable. Wouldn’t be shocked if Ansah works hims3lf into that conversation alongside Moore and others, especially after the combine.-

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Palmer’s good?………… 0 fer 2 in 9 yrs?

  • Raider E

    Joekel has always been more suited to ZBS.

  • edward teach

    243.Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
    We led the NFL in YAC this year didn’t we?

    Agree that down the field is where the issues are, but DHB had some long catch and runs, D-Moore turned a 2 yard pass into a 70 yard gain in KC, and Goodson averaged like 10+ yards a catch out of the backfield.

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    We did, I believe. Kanpp’s shorter passing game no doubt accounting for some of that.

    My original point was that we have no one that can catch the ball and make plays consistently in the vertical passing game. Stretching the field vertically only works aginst the defense if they think you can catch the deep ball. They’ll let you throw it all day if they don’t think you can complete it.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Well first of all they only threw 3 yd outs.

  • Just Fire Baby

    My original point was that we have no one that can catch the ball and make plays consistently in the vertical passing game.

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    Agreed, although in the second half of the season it seems Carson underthrew A LOT of the deep balls he attempted.

  • The_Civilian_James_Trapp

    Backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
    After listening to the New Coaching interviews on Raiders.COM I’m ready for a nap….

    11th straight season without a post season COMING UP!

    No question about it!

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    Yeah but we are so “media-friendly” now!….

    Hire McCloughan & Gruden now.

  • Chris in NY

    YAC often has alot to do with good QB play. Hit a guy in stride and he can turn a 5 yard pass into a 50 yard gain. Miss the mark and you only get the 5. Receivers are obviously an important part of the equation too.

    Without looking at the stats though, I’d be surprised if Aaron Rodgers’ receivers aren’t at or near the top in terms of YAC due to his tremendous accuracy.

  • Just Fire Baby
  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I would hope that just hitting a guy in stride on a 5 yard pass is considered standard QB play and not good QB play.

  • Raider E

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both

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    All by himself, DeBarge’?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Rodgers was 7th.

    Brady
    Brees
    Palmer
    STafford
    Ryan
    Romo
    Rodgers
    Peyton

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    3rd best in the NFL!!!

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Passing&rank=228&year=2012
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    So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.

  • arena of truth

    Bottom line DA is warming the seat for Gruden said it before the Olson hire. After two off seasons and a collection of picks and cap space he will return. Like it or not.

  • Raider E

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both

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    If you had a brain in your head? you would know he was carted off on the first play of his first playoff game against Pittsburgh, you Big Dummy.

  • Chris in NY

    Joeckel would do well in any system. He’s got exceptionally quick feet, great athleticism and technical skill, which makes him an ideal LT in today’s NFL. I get that because he’s got the quick feet people talk him up as better in the ZBS, but he’s not some onetrick, system-specific guy.-

  • edward teach

    244.KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
    Edward Teach Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
    238.KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
    If the WR’s are so bad, how did Palmer pass for 4,000?

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    NFL receivers are supposed to make plays, and make difficult catches. Ours don’t.

    Imagine what his stats would have been had he had an AJ Green, or Julio Jones or a Roddy White.
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    I can imagine a lot of what if bs.
    You Palmer people want all the credit for passing for 4,ooo yds,and blame the WR’s who caught the passes for the losses.

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    I’m afraid I have no idea what you’re talking about. I watched pretty much every minute of the games this year, and although I am far from an expert, it appeared to me that our receivers struggled in the area that I mentioned.

    My point was that we needed a guy that Palmer could rely on to make the tough catch, and be able to catch the deep ball consistently.

    Any offense that possesses a weapon like that becomes more dangerous, and the team benefits from it. The quarterback is part of the team, so he benefits right along with everyone else.

    That’s a good thing, right?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both

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    All by himself, DeBarge’?
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    Then, when he leaves Cincy they start going to the playoffs, Bootlicker.

  • Chris in NY

    Very interesting names on that list. Goes to show you how a good QB elevates those around him.

  • arena of truth

    2015………

  • Raider E

    Joeckel would do well in any system. He’s got exceptionally quick feet, great athleticism and technical skill, which makes him an ideal LT in today’s NFL. I get that because he’s got the quick feet people talk him up as better in the ZBS, but he’s not some onetrick, system-specific guy.-

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    He is not a mauler, beeen documented since he was a sophmore….ZBS guy

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    KoolKell Says: So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.
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    Yeah, Brisiel was obviously upper tier, and I don’t know why they put Barnes back in when he healed, ‘cuz his replacement was awesome.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:35 pm

    I would hope that just hitting a guy in stride on a 5 yard pass is considered standard QB play and not good QB play.
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    Yes. And hitting a guy forty yards down the field in stride is standard. And Pryor can’t do either. Geno Smith might have the same problem against better competition as well.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Shane was 10th in average, 20th in net, and 27th for inside the 20 punts last season.

    He has got to go, he has morphed into an average kicker overnight.

  • Raider E

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:36 pm

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both

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    All by himself, DeBarge’?
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    Then, when he leaves Cincy they start going to the playoffs, Bootlicker.

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    Were they in the playoffs this season? Funny thing, didn’t notice?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Raider E Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Palmer has played in Two playoff games in 9 years. Lost both

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    If you had a brain in your head? you would know he was carted off on the first play of his first playoff game against Pittsburgh, you Big Dummy.
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    After hitting a 60 yard bomb. In stride.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Willie Smith did stink, one of the worst ratings of any tackle on PFF.

    But Barnes and Veldheer both graded out better than average in pass protection, better than Jake Long and Michael Oher.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Hey, Kell. I was wondering if you could tell me how many playoff games Palmer has played in? And how’d he do?

  • 504 Raider

    I like Palmer and Pryor. But we need to find our QB for the next 10 years. We haven’t had one of those types since Gannon and too bad he was old and got injured.

    The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:37 pm

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:32 pm

    3rd best in the NFL!!!

    http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=AFC&type=Passing&rank=228&year=2012
    ————————————-
    So they can quit throwing the Olineman under the bus, too.
    ============================================

    Not necessarily. What that means is these veteran Q’s can see breakdowns in protections and get rid of the rock. That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.

  • Chris in NY

    We needed two things in particular in terms of our WR corps: To better use DHB to accentuate his strong skills once the ball is in his hands and a receiver who could be counted on to move the chains and catch passes in the red zone. Look at what Boldin does for the Ravens in those situations and Welker for the Pats and Tony G in Atlanta. Those guys were very important to those teams because they turned punts into first downs. We had no reliable guy like that. The closest we had was Myers, who would routinely get 6 yards on 3rd and 7.

  • Raider E

    Word up @ #282

  • edward teach

    284.Chris in NY Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
    We needed two things in particular in terms of our WR corps: To better use DHB to accentuate his strong skills once the ball is in his hands and a receiver who could be counted on to move the chains and catch passes in the red zone. Look at what Boldin does for the Ravens in those situations and Welker for the Pats and Tony G in Atlanta. Those guys were very important to those teams because they turned punts into first downs. We had no reliable guy like that. The closest we had was Myers, who would routinely get 6 yards on 3rd and 7.

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    DHB should be in the slot. I’ve been saying it for two years.

  • DJ Johnny

    RaiderLen Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
    However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.
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    I sure hope so.

    Someone posted earlier that the Raiders had the 2nd ranked D over the last 25% of the Season.

    I didn’t fact check, but if true, that’s promising.

    It’s true. It was said that we were the # 3 D the last 4 games but an SI article said we were actually # 2. 4th against the pass and 9th in sacks.

    The koolaid says we continue the trend in 2013.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Palmer was once an elite QB, if he didn’t have his leg rolled up in 2005 who knows what they could have done.

    But that was 8 years ago, he got a chance to go back to the playoffs 4 years ago and went Joe Webb on us.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    He has got to go, he has morphed into an average kicker overnight.
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    He bounced a lot inside the tenty that got misplayed. Don’t know if he’s losing hang time but the players were there. Coaching?
    I still think he should stay and be #3 Qb as well. Roll with Palmer and Pryor.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Not necessarily. What that means is these veteran Q’s can see breakdowns in protections and get rid of the rock. That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play
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    Exactly, you can come up with whatever what if you want, and have, Seymour

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    I like Palmer and Pryor. But we need to find our QB for the next 10 years. We haven’t had one of those types since Gannon and too bad he was old and got injured.

    The best way to get that is keeping Palmer and drafting Geno Smith if he’s there. Then in the 4th rnd draft the best available QB. Four QBs on the roster should get us one legit guy that we can hang our hat on. I would keep all four on roster and have one inactive on game days. Palmer starts this final year and then hand the keys over to one of the other three guys. Or trade Palmer during the pre-season and roll with one of the younger guys. All win/win if you ask me.
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    With SO many other holes to fill I don’t think it would make sense to have four Q’s and a high draft pick gone at a position that you already have sewn up for 3-4 years.

  • Just Fire Baby

    That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.

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    I would agree with this, but not calling you out specifically, but people can’t have it both ways.

    On one breathe they say our O-line stinks and someone like Brady’s is awesome. When you see the sacks and QB hits are about dead even, then it is the QB getting the ball out quickly. So if so, then why do we care about drafting O-lineman at the top of the draf?

    It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.

    Top 5 rushing team back to back years? Don’t matter.
    Top 5 pass procteting team back to back years? It’s the QB (even though 4 different guys started the last 2 years).
    Pretty good grades at T by PFF? Stupid stats.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Not my quote. a couple of snippets;
    “Restocking the cornerback position would allow Michael Huff to return to a more fitting sub-package safety role and allow Dennis Allen to install the some 60 percent of his scheme that he’s still waiting to roll out.”
    However, at the same time, it is also promising to know that we have only scratched the surface of what the Raiders’ defense under Dennis Allen will look like once it is fully installed.

    ESPN Insider by way of:
    http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season

  • Raider E

    DeBarge’, your a hypocrite.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.
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    One of the best excuses is;
    Knapp.

  • Chris in NY

    I wouldn’t draft a QB this year. See how things go with Palmer. Give him 8 games and assess where we’re out. If we’ve got a shot at the postseason, ride with CP. If the team is struggling, give Pryor the reins for the second half. Next year’s QB class is much better anyway.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Anybody else get a wordpress hiccup when submitting?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    0-2 in playoff games in 9 yrs, and people in here comparing him to Joe Namath, Dan Marino?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 7:51 pm

    That might be more about veteran savvy, than good Oline play.

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    I would agree with this, but not calling you out specifically, but people can’t have it both ways.

    On one breathe they say our O-line stinks and someone like Brady’s is awesome. When you see the sacks and QB hits are about dead even, then it is the QB getting the ball out quickly. So if so, then why do we care about drafting O-lineman at the top of the draf?

    It’s like every excuse possible to absolutely give zero credit to our O-line, ever, for anything.

    Top 5 rushing team back to back years? Don’t matter.
    Top 5 pass procteting team back to back years? It’s the QB (even though 4 different guys started the last 2 years).
    Pretty good grades at T by PFF? Stupid stats.
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    I think I can answer that. Our Oline played horribly for the lst 9 or 10 weeks of the season. The last six or seven weeks they played much better. That was the result of Barnes coming back at RT and the Oline generally jelling. One thing that is almost unanimous is posters here think Briesel was a terrible signing. What most posters don’t know is Briesel played almost the entire season with torn ankle ligaments which required surgery immediately after the season.

  • Raider E

    DeBarge’, STFU!!!!