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Palmer or Pryor? Raiders keeping open mind

Call it the Colin Kaepernick Effect, due diligence or just plain curiosity, but the Raiders are going into the 2013 season with an open mind when it comes Carson Palmer or Terrelle Pryor being their starting quarterback.
General manager Reggie McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen are steadfast in their stance that Palmer is the odds-on candidate to be the starter once again.
However, it sounds more and more as if Pryor at least will receive a much-longer look than anyone likely envisioned as recently as two months ago.
“In visiting with Dennis and Reggie, I know Reggie’s made the statement that there will always be competition,” Raiders first-year offensive coordinator Greg Olson said Wednesday. “There has to be competition at every position.
“I don’t ever think you hand anyone a position from season to season or year to year. … We’ll go forward with the direction that the organization sees fit. If they want competition, we’ll have competition.”
Part of that open-mindedness owes to Pryor playing well enough in his one start last season. The other part comes as a result of Kaepernick, Robert Griffin III, Cam Newton and Russell Wilson taking the league by storm the past two seasons.
Of that quartet, Pryor seems most comparable to Kaepernick based on their builds, speed and skill set. Even so, Olson said he and the Raiders don’t know enough about Pryor yet to know how good he can be.
“We’d like to find that out,” Olson said. “What’s different about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game. They feel great about him as a passer. So he’s a guy that plays full time. It’s not as if they bring him in for a package or a play or two.”
Olson said it’s incumbent upon he and the Raiders discovering whether Pryor can be more than a player that gets featured in a package of plays designed to take advantage of his running ability.
That means seeing if Pryor can flourish in all facets of the game and not just someone that catches defenses off guard in some sort of Wildcat package.
“That’s we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor,” Olson said. “We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is. We need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important.”
Pryor started Oakland’s final regular-season game last season and showed enough to warrant closer scrutiny during offseason mini camps, training camp and exhibition games.
Palmer, 33, passed for more than 4,000 yards last season before he suffered broken ribs and a bruised lung against the Carolina Panthers. He is under contract through 2016.
Third-year player Pryor has two more years left on his rookie contract. The Raiders don’t have any other quarterbacks on their roster right now. Matt Leinart, the primary backup last season, is an unrestricted free agent.

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  • Try Some Reality

    Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.

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    Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    If the Raiders exercise their option to void Seymours contract, they have to notify the NFL who will then release the news with about a day delay. Paul Gutierrez’s article of the other day did not say he had been voided, only what the contract ramifications are if he is. Which everyone assumes. If there’s been further updates, sorry, i hadn’t heard.

  • jackasspuria

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Indeed. Paul G doesn’t outright say it, but, he’s operating under the assumption Seymour is no lnoger a Raider according to a National Football Post report…

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/seymours-contract-voiding-mixed-bag

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Googled Seymour news. Nothing definitive out there. Bronco’s want him according to blechher report. That’s why I have A Raider news google search that omits bleccher report.

  • Scourge

    Seymour is still listed on the team roster at the Raiders’ web site as of thse keystrokes.

  • Scourge

    *these

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Everybody assumes it. Still on the official Raider roster. Don’t know how on top of that they are now that the season is over, but they were during the season.

  • jackasspuria

    With the way his Miami Dolphins teams were able to push the Raiders around, I’m interested to see what impact Tony Sparano will have in Oakland.

    The interview on Raiders.com presents him as a no-nonsense type of coach.

  • realtruraider

    So, are you saying that it WAS all Greg Knapp’s fault?

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    NO, but obviously the regression on offense was mostly Knapps fault, how could any one argue this? Regression across the board on offense, heck across the board on the whole team, maybe DA should get more of the blame?

    Anyway Im just tired of all the excuses. When Knapp was hired last year he talked up the offense and couldn’t wait to call plays for this bunch (who wouldn’t be excited after watch the film from the previous 2 years). So What happened? Same Starters on offense for the most part, did the players just get that much worse or was it Knapps Krapp scheme and playcalling?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist
  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    :mrgreen:

  • rudegruden

    DJ Johnny Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
    Instead of having these stat battles on Palmer and other QB’s remember a case can be made for almost any player on any team for why they’re good.

    Is Dilfer better than Marino? C’mon now. Dilfer won a Super Bowl didn’t he? Wait. I thought it was ALL about the QB and the only stat that matters is wins and losses.

    I can make a strong case right now that Denver screwed up by replacing Tebow with Peyton Manning…on paper at least.

    Tebow’s a winner. TWO national titles. He takes over a 2-6 Denver team and goes 6-2 and wins the division, AND tops it off with a playoff win over Pittsburgh. He can’t pass? He does it by throwing for 336 yd’s including a long td pass to win in OT.

    Then that loser Peyton Manning comes in and wins some meaningless reg season games and instead of a glorious td pass to win his first playoff game..like Tebow did…Peyton chokes and throws an interception in OT. Comparitively, instead of choking in the heat of the moment like Manning, Tebow is clutch when it counts the most and throws a long TD pass..shredding the Pittsburgh D like only Tebow can.

    Tebow = Winner
    Manning = Choker

    Go ahead and talk about Manning’s SB. ANCIENT HISTORY. Does Denver need a 37 yr. old washed up loser like Peyton, or a young PROVEN WINNER like Tebow?

    At least Tebow won a playoff game for Denver.

    See how ridiculous that was? Is Tebow REALLY better than Peyton Manning? ARE U KIDDING ME?

    Almost anything can get spun.

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    Are you trying to bring in common sense? Some people refuse to use it.

  • jackasspuria

    Realtruraider

    No one on the Raiders — be it staff, players, past or present — is absolved from the offense’s performance (or lack thereof) last season. No one.

    For a while there, D-Moore was Denarius Heyward-Bey with all those drops he had.

    And once Palmer anointed Brandon Myers as having ‘the best hands on the team’ he also caught a case of the dropsies.

    And while it wasn’t keen on DMC’s strengths, Mike Goodson, Marcel Reece and Jeremy Stewart ran pretty well in the ZBS.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Try Some Reality Says: Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.

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    Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.
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    Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.

  • Scourge

    If the Raiders haven’t voided Seymour’s contract, does he have _any_ trade value? With his injuries, etc.?

  • realtruraider

    May see a lot of ZBS teams next year.

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    Interesting, considering all the talk about getting rid of the cut block

  • rudegruden

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.

    ———-
    The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.

  • rudegruden

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
    Try Some Reality Says: Speaking of ZBS, read in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette the Steelers are switching to ZBS.

    ============================================

    Wish they’d have hired Krapp to implement it. Then we could have said we shat on them twice in one year.
    =====================================================

    Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.

    ————-
    Exactly…and someone a few day’s back got severely angry i said the same thing, cried about how it wasn’t Knapp’s fault.

  • Scourge

    jackasspuria Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:56 pm

    Realtruraider

    No one on the Raiders — be it staff, players, past or present — is absolved from the offense’s performance (or lack thereof) last season. No one.
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    Jack, with all due respect, I beg to differ. I would not hold Jim Otto to account for last year’s performance. ;-)

  • realtruraider

    It was obvious to most of Raider Nation and NFL people that DMC and Palmer and our WRs were not a good fit for Knapps Krapp, I cannot for the life of me understand what DA and Reggie were thinkin, chalk it up as Rookie mistake I guess

  • jackasspuria

    Knapp’s ZBS appeared destined to fail as soon as he brought along neophyte offensive line coach Frank Pollack with him from Houston.

    It’s no surprise Knapp and Pollack were the first two gone. Interestingly enough, Johnny Holland, another ex-Texans coach, was dumped along with the aforementioned duo.

  • realtruraider

    You can add our Oline to that list also smh

  • rudegruden

    Realtruraider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
    It was obvious to most of Raider Nation and NFL people that DMC and Palmer and our WRs were not a good fit for Knapps Krapp, I cannot for the life of me understand what DA and Reggie were thinkin, chalk it up as Rookie mistake I guess
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    I guess thats all we can do. However, its shocking they didn’t see it coming, rookie or not.

  • Scourge

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  • jackasspuria

    Scourge

    I blame Tom Walsh… haha!

    Honestly, Walsh can look and point the finger at Knapp for having an offense as worse, if not more inept, than his bed & breakfast O.

  • Buckeyeraider

    G’evening fellas.

    The heavy hitters are in the house tonight. Bob Marley, Ed Teach, Chris in NY, Vegas, DJ Johnny and Raider O. And many others. No name calling and childish antics.

    Some of the best this blog has to offer.

    I’m kind of curious about the Seymour situation, myself. It just seems odd. I read where Paul G mentioned it in the Bay area, but why hasn’t the national media picked it up and ran with it.

    I haven’t seen anything on BSPN about it. They never seem to pass up the opportunity to poke the Raiders with a sharp stick.

    It’s been scrolling across the bottom of the NFLN crawl for three days that Miami is planning on bringing in competition for their kicker next year.

    Surely, the Raiders voiding Richard Seymour’s contract would merit a blurb or something.

    I’m not saying it is just rumor and didn’t happen or is going to happen…but is there any confirmation? Is it official?

  • Scourge

    hmmmmm. Didn’t like a single mrgreen due to duplicate message. Didn’t like 2 mrgreens. Oh, well….

  • jackasspuria

    I remember when the news broke in December about Seymour’s contract voiding.. didn’t the SF Chron’s Vic Tafur report the cap hit was minimal?

    The presently reported dead money hit on Seymour’s contract is a big chunk of change.

  • Scourge

    So Dr. Bob says he’s giving up the blog for Lent. Uh-huh. Right.

  • Scourge

    Buckeyeraider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    G’evening fellas.

    The heavy hitters are in the house tonight. Bob Marley, Ed Teach, Chris in NY, Vegas, DJ Johnny and Raider O. And many others. No name calling and childish antics.

    Some of the best this blog has to offer.
    ===================================

    Yeah, man.

  • jackasspuria

    And then there is the cap hit from when Rolando McClain is eventually jettisoned from Oakland. Haven’t been able to find any concrete numbers.

    CSN Bay Area’s Paul G says: “$7.26 million in dead money towards him in 2013″.

  • Scourge

    Well, it’s time for little Scourgy to go beddy-byes. Nightey-night, all.

  • realtruraider

    maybe they are tryin to restructure Seymours contract once again to minimize the cap hit, Im not a cap guy and not sure how his contract is, it sounds like we had an option to void it, maybe they decided against that option because of the crazy dead money cap hit

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Scourge Says: You guys are more in the know than I am. How would the Raiders approach Palmer about a restructure/pay cut/whatever? Do the Raiders speak with CP’s agent, then the agent talks to CP, and back and forth that way or does CP sit in on the discussions with the Raiders from the start?
    =====================================================
    Here’s my opinion. I’m reposting from yeserday.

    We’re probably all making something out of nothing.
    If the possibility of Palmer playing well and the Raiders sucking nonetheless, especially with the Knapp hiring,
    didn’t occur to the two sides crafting the restructure last year, then Palmers agent is an idiot, as is Reggie. The language should already be there, or at least an understanding.
    Palmer’s agent may not have been privy to the Raiders other
    contract and cap issues, but if Reggie didn’t foresee the situation he’d be in this year, maybe GM is of more concern than QB.
    If you don’t think Palmer played well, that’s another story.
    I do.

  • Gdog

    Nothing at all inherently wrong with ZBS. Apparantly something inherently wrong with Knapps version.

    >>>

    I don’t blame the ZBS much at all. It was Knapp being completely over his head organizing an entire offense all by himself.

    He has an IQ maybe barely in triple digits (IMO) and a complete narcissist. Thats a horrible horrible combination. I don’t care if its a ma and pa ice cream stand, or a NFL football team, there is no way it can work.

    This was doomed for failure from the get-go.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Didn’t exactly answer you’re question, but that’s kinda what these guys do for a living. There shouldn’t be any major surprises on either side, IMO.

  • 504 Raider

    367.rudegruden Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.

    ———-
    The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?

    Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.

    If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.

    It ain’t like we rolling 7/11′s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…

  • Buckeyeraider

    DJ Johnny…Nice post 334. That’s good stuff.

    I share your optimism. It’s constant doom and gloom around here. 2013 will likely be another long year in the rebuilding process, but…you just never know.

    Best case scenario..the switch back to a power scheme brings out the best in McFadden. He stays relatively healthy and balls out in his contract year.

    Palmer takes advantage and uses play action to throw beautiful bombs to DMoore, who rebounds from his sophomore slump.

    The defense continues to grasp Tarver and Allens scheme and pick up where they left off late last year. Playing much better ball. Aided by the absolute stud they draft at #3, whether it’s Star, Mingo. Whoever. They need a Von Miller, Aldon Smith type of impact pass rusher.

    8-8 or 9-7 playoff contention isn’t out of the question. Pass me a cup of that kool-aid.

    Stranger things have happened.

  • dr_robert

    scourge–i am. i said i was out earlier cuz i figured i wouldn’t have time before the night was up, but i had a minute to check in. but after midnight tonite, it will be Easter before u get me again.

    i have been saying for months that geno may be the guy. another guy i said would be a serious contender was milliner. best CB in the draft.

    i noticed todd mcshay recently moved him up from #9 to #3 on his board. those guys move players based on what they’ve seen, but also what they’re hearing. cuz they like to be right on when guys will go.

    i think milliner might actually be the guy, based on all knowledge. especially considering DA and reggie thought going into the season that it was the one position in need of the biggest improvement and reggie said near the end of the season that he felt the frontline was stout and the coverage was the problem, regarding not getting to the qb.

    pass rusher is a big need of course. and several other positions too.

    but milliner and adams may be our starting cb’s next season, with ross and branch at safety.

    u heard it here: it’s milliner.

  • 504 Raider

    I wouldn’t restructure Seymour anything. I’d pay him, give him some fertilizer, a garden hose, and tell him to go home and play with his tree.

  • Gdog

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?

    Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.

    If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.

    It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…

    >>>>

    I’ve heard one coach say the second most important position on the squad is backup QB, so I wouldn’t be upset about drafting Geno.

    Anything but spending our three without trading down on a flavor-of-the-week defensive player.

    Then I will be convinced our franchise is doomed with Reggie. He doesn’t know what he is doing.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    504 Raider Says:
    If I was really insane like one suggested,
    =========================================

    That was me, but I said no offense so I’m held harmless. Hah. I’m the one that wants to keep Lechler as #3 QB, and roll the dice with Palmer and Pryor.

  • 504 Raider

    I say we win 9 or 10 games this year. The offense became 10Xs better with an announcement and hopefully DA can use about 20% more of his playbook.

    Remember we have 4th easiest schedule this year.

  • rudegruden

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
    367.rudegruden Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
    For all you guys who say no to drafting Geno Smith and we should roll with Palmer and and this and that, remember a year from now. We will be back to square 1 looking for a QB again. You draft Geno and another one later in this draft and the QB search is over in April 2013. I don’t give a crap about how many other hole or needs we have on this team. In the last 11 years the only position outside of kicking that has been a constant NEED is QB. Solve it now. If we don’t we probably will be just good or bad enough to miss out on Aaron Murray next year. Solve the damn problem now geniouses.

    ———-
    The problem with your logic is Geno Smith is not the solution. The worst is chasing a QB in the draft who obviously is not the answer. Franchise QB’s are not that easy to find, you can’t draft QB’s like Reggie picks up scab CB’s.

    ————————————————————————————————————–

    Well would you rather us pick/FA sign one QB per year until we find our guy?

    Between Palmer, Pryor, Geno Smith, maybe the Baylor QB Nick what’s his name, I’m sure our legit guy is 1 of the four.

    If I was really insane like one suggested, then I say the hell with it and use all 7 of our draft picks on Best QB available. I know for sure a 10 year guy would be on our roster then.

    It ain’t like we rolling 7/11’s with our recent draft picks anyway. We need to find our franchise QB. Period…

    ———–
    I wouldn’t think Palmer, Pryor, Smith or the Baylor QB would be Franchise QB’s. I think in a draft like this its really a crap shoot with QB’s. If it was last year with Luck and Griffin who were as good as it gets with promise I would be 100% on board. However, this draft is awful. We made that mistake with Russell. He was ranked high because he was the best of a terrible draft. I think this draft is very similar. Sometimes its just a bad year to draft a QB. I think we drafting in QB in round 3/4 would give us the same odds as 1/2.

    But agreed, in this league we need and must find a franchise QB.

    I have no problems keeping Palmer around this year since he gives us the best shot to win next year. If we start to tank, give Pryor his shot. If he doesn’t perform we move on.

  • jackasspuria

    Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    That is the question on my mind: Will Shane Lechler be an Oakland Raider next season?

    Based on Reggie McKenzie sending Marquette King to the IR — you don’t IR punters unless there is a plan in place — I don’t think Shane returns.

  • 504 Raider

    No way Purvisman,

    I mean I know Lechler can Spin It and all but the ball is best served coming off his foot. We need three Real QBs. I’ll take one more for insurance to make four of em.

  • dr_robert

    lechler is history.

    at qb, it’s palmer, pryor, and likely a vet. possibly a rookie.

  • 504 Raider

    Well we can all agree to disagree because the bottom line is that Reggie will make some moves in March that will grossly affect what we target in the draft in April. We talking all this stuff about QBs like Geno Smith and whoever the hell is out there and come March Reggie might have Matt Flynn at a presser taking questions from Jerry wearing a BBQ stained shirt.

  • Gdog

    504 Raider Says:
    February 13th, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    No way Purvisman,

    I mean I know Lechler can Spin It and all but the ball is best served coming off his foot. We need three Real QBs. I’ll take one more for insurance to make four of em.

    >>>

    Sorry Lechlar is toast. After seeing a Youtube video of King booming a 60 yard punt with 5.5 hang time, I’m thinking… I bet Lechler is putting his house up for sale with this…

  • Buckeyeraider

    I said the other day I wouldn’t have a problem with Milliner @3 at all. I’d prefer they build the D from the trenches out. Pass rush is also a huge need, but so is CB.

    Like I said I don’t know if he’s in C-Wood’s class who we took @ 4 back in the day, but he’s damned good.

    During that travesty of a National Championship game..I don’t remember if it was Herbie or Musberger but they kept questioning Notre Dames game plan. Why they kept challenging the best CB in the country and kept coming up empty.

    The Irish targeted Milliner 5 or 6 times and every time he had his man blanketed…and made a play on the ball. I don’t think he had a pick, but he swatted away everything.

    Wouldn’t have a problem with picking hopefully the next great CB in the Raiders storied history at that position.