Packers cut DB Woodson; Raiders should begin pursuit
By Steve Corkran
Friday, February 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Now that the Green Bay Packers made official what was speculated on most of the day, the Raiders should contact Woodson’s agent and see if there’s any interest in Woodson rejoining the Raiders.
Of course, it might be a futile exercise, given Woodson’s agent, Carl Poston, said that Woodson wants to play for a Super Bowl contender, and the Raiders seem much farther away from that than most other teams.
Still, it’s worth a shot. Woodson might be intrigued about finishing his NFL career with the team that drafted him in 1998 and exposed him to his first taste of postseason success.
Woodson joined a Raiders team fresh from a 4-12 season before his arrival. They were in the playoffs three seasons later, with Woodson playing a huge role at cornerback.
Naturally, the Raiders were 4-12 last season, too, and seem just as far away from being a legitimate contender as they were when Woodson first joined the Raiders.
Cost also would be an issue for a Raiders team that isn’t as flush with salary-cap space as other teams. Further, it’s unlikely that Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie would overspend to be reunited with Woodson.
In November, McKenzie talked about how difficult it was his first year with the Raiders, given their salary-cap constraints.
“I remember talking to Ted Thompson,” McKenzie said of the Packers general manager. “His rookie year, he was able to get Charles Woodson. I would have liked to have done that.”
Well, now McKenzie can make that happen.
Signing Woodson would allow the Raiders to leave Michael Huff at cornerback and give them something they have lacked for numerous seasons: an impact player on defense.
The Raiders need far more help than Woodson can provide, especially this late in his career. Still, McKenzie has to start somewhere. Bringing in a player as well respected and talented as Woodson would be viewed as just that kind of start.
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February 15th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
No
February 15th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Let’s bring back Lester Hayes also.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Woodson helps us HOW on the bench hurt or IR?
Young bodies, young bones…and a lot more speed in 28-yr-old legs than 36-yr-old legs.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Yes to Lester!
February 15th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
And Mike Haynes!
February 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Re-sign Eric Allen!!
February 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
The same Woodson that gave 100% when he was here… Go retire a fudge Packer…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Seriously though I wonder how much interest Woodson gets around the league…he’s pretty d@mn old…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Re-sign terry McDaniel…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Bring Willie B out of retirement!
February 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Bob Kravitz @bkravitz
CONFIRMED: The Colts today have released Dwight Freeney and Austin Collie. More to come on http://indystar.com
- can Freeney still play?
February 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Does Woodson or his agent think anyone is going to be offering multi-year deals?
What were his PFF stats?
February 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
- can Freeney still play?
On turf…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Olson looks like a short-haired Shawn Micheals. Raiders will run the Sweet Chin Music offense.
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LOL, he kinda does. Olson, Tarver and DA all look similar also. Its goin to look sweet on the sidelines with all those visors…WoOt wOoT!
February 15th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Maybe one of them should rock it backwards are sideways…like me
February 15th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Is Lester still alive? Bet he can do the 40 in less than 6 seconds
February 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
jackasspuria Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Olson looks like a short-haired Shawn Micheals. Raiders will run the Sweet Chin Music offense.
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I like that… pound them to ground with THE SWEET CHIN MUSIC OFFENSE…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
“If you have a guy that can stay there and play 65 plays a game and do those things and also be able to throw the ball from point A to point B accurately, if he possesses those skills as well, then you certainly have something. So that’s what we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor. We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is, and we need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important. Can he make good decisions and is he accurate as a passer?”
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“Is he accurate as a passer?” You do not come into the National Football League as a Q and have that questioned asked of you. No one wondered if Luck was accurate. No one wondered if RGIII was accurate coming in. No one wondered if Tannehill or Russell Wilson were accurate. If you don’t have accuracy in the NFL you don’t have anything. And you heard what Olson said about coaching Drew Brees at Purdue. They knew IN ONE PRACTICE to move him up the depth chart, based on his accuracy in one practice! We all saw Pryor in One Game, and if anyone is going to say he was extremely accurate, that person needs a new hobby.
February 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
When on the field, Woodson would be in better position than Giordano most the time. Might not make the play anymore, but he’d be around the ball at least as much as Gio.
Leave Huff at CB? If he’s our nickel corner, maybe. I like Huff, and he’s serviceable…but who wants serviceable?
February 15th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I think probably coming in a year ago; they made a switch to a zone system. I don’t know if you ever want to pigeon hole yourself that way and say, `That’s what we do.’ You may not be able to do that based on the set of players that you have. Our job here, again, with this staff is to identify the skill that they have and what they do best
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ouch, straight bashing knapp
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But TRUTH tho……TRUTH AT LAST.
So many people reading that interview and screamin….
“NO FU*KIN SH*T……..KNAPP YA FU*KIN TOOL”
February 15th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Knapp stunk and was the primary reason for 4-12 as opposed to 6-10. Although DA didn’t help any either
February 15th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
P-Burnt / P-Toast is only 32 years old. Maybe Cork can call him up and see if he is willing to come back too. “Phillip giveth and Phillip taketh…” – T Brown
February 15th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
How about the Defense 3:16… We just got are a$$ whopped…
February 15th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Heck let’s get Ronnie Lott back there as long as we’re doing and old-timers revival
February 15th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
whipped..
February 15th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
I can see Woody ending up in Detroit…
February 15th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Whoa…….. 2 blog post in one day?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Woodson is perfect at FS. Better than Gio there and he can teach the young guys. CWood today is a much better PERSON TODAY than when he was last here. Guy is a mature and leader. We could use that in Oak.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
I have no idea why Cork wants to bring back Woodson.
You might as well bring back Lester.
Do we have trouble at the corners?
Absolutely.
You fix that by bringing in some young guy like Milliner not by bringing in some guy from the past.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
I like Huff, and he’s serviceable…but who wants serviceable?
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The other day someone said cut him ‘cuz he’s mediocre. I politely suggested we should cut the bad players first, then see where we are cap wise and team wise.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Get Cwood and get rid of huff’s ridiculous contract.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
I will come back as long as Lester comes back.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Gdog Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Reasons we had no long runs last year? Myers dead last in run blocking, Moore bottom ten at it. Thats two of our outside starters.
DHB was actually well rated at run blocking which isn’t a surprise to me. Another reason to keep him around.
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Not only that, DHB is fearless. Got knocked the FUGG out twice…. driven off in Ambulance
Then back out on the field in NO TIME.
I hope they can restructure him.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Say: J. Hill–
I see that Greinke is saying that his first day in camp “seemed like a lot of work”.
Lol.
Between him and Beckett there is going to be a great atmosphere in the Dodger club house….
February 15th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
Reggie says I can compete for FS as we need competition at all positions…
February 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Cork – can you put in a good word for me too?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Could Freeney be used on third down pass rush situations…
February 15th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Gdog Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Reasons we had no long runs last year? Myers dead last in run blocking, Moore bottom ten at it. Thats two of our outside starters.
DHB was actually well rated at run blocking which isn’t a surprise to me. Another reason to keep him around.
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Not only that, DHB is fearless. Got knocked the FUGG out twice…. driven off in Ambulance
Then back out on the field in NO TIME.
I hope they can restructure him.
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No doubt. He’s not popular with fans because of where he was drafted, but he works hard, does the little things every time, and could STILL get better.
Those are the guys that need to be kept around.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Victor Cotto @cottovic
#Raiders could designate Palmer as “post-June 1″ release & split $9.340 million in signing bonus proration remains over the next 2 seasons.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Could Freeney be used on third down pass rush situations…
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Take the cheaper of the two, Andre Carter or Freeney.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Reggie get it done….
February 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Stacy Toran is dead, idiot.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
If Greg Olson pays no other immediate dividends as Oakland’s offensive coordinator, he will reveal the truth about one of the NFL’s truly perplexing units.
Is it talented and teeming with potential, as it was in 2011?
Or is it barren and irreparable, as it seemed in 2012?
Few NFL narratives changed faster in 2012 than that of Oakland’s offense. One season after it ranked ninth in total offense (15th in scoring) under coach Hue Jackson, it fell to 18th (and 26th) under new offensive coordinator Greg Knapp
Suddenly, the perception spread that the Raiders didn’t have enough good players to form a decent offense.
How could that be true when the line underwent only subtle changes and added one new starter, guard Mike Brisiel, acquired because he had a solid grasp of the zone-blocking schemes preferred by Knapp?
Moreover, the skill-position cast was much the same as a year earlier. The quarterback was Carson Palmer, the lead running back was Darren McFadden and the primary receivers were Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey and tight end Brandon Myers.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22591839/poole-can-oakland-raiders-offense-go-back-future
February 15th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Len you got a point both would be a temporary fix… Save some gree for the future….
February 15th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
1. Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
“If you have a guy that can stay there and play 65 plays a game and do those things and also be able to throw the ball from point A to point B accurately, if he possesses those skills as well, then you certainly have something. So that’s what we’ll have to find out with Terrelle Pryor. We know what kind of an athlete he is. We need to find out what kind of decision maker he is, and we need to find out if he’s a guy that can also sit in the pocket and deliver the ball from point A to point B accurately and on time and making the right decisions. That above all else becomes most important. Can he make good decisions and is he accurate as a passer?”
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“Is he accurate as a passer?” You do not come into the National Football League as a Q and have that questioned asked of you. No one wondered if Luck was accurate. No one wondered if RGIII was accurate coming in. No one wondered if Tannehill or Russell Wilson were accurate. If you don’t have accuracy in the NFL you don’t have anything. And you heard what Olson said about coaching Drew Brees at Purdue. They knew IN ONE PRACTICE to move him up the depth chart, based on his accuracy in one practice! We all saw Pryor in One Game, and if anyone is going to say he was extremely accurate, that person needs a new hobby.
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Cam Newton:
“Newton is one of the most athletically gifted quarterbacks in draft history. Possesses a quick, clean release, enough arm strength to complete the deep out, prototypical size, and is a dangerous threat outside of the pocket. However, he has a ways to go before turning into a productive, reliable NFL starter. Was not asked to make pro-style reads or move through progressions in college. Footwork is sloppy and accuracy is inconsistent”
Ryan Tannehill draft profile:
“He is still raw and needs to continue to improve at reading defenses and completing passes to keep the chains moving. But Tannehill possesses a tantalizing combination of size, intelligence, arm strength and mobile.”
Jake Locker:
Pick Analysis: The Titans select Jake Locker to become the new face of their franchise. As one of the top athletes in the draft, he gives them a dual threat at the position with the ability to make plays on the perimeter. While his accuracy problems raised some red flags, his leadership skills, work ethic and intangibles outweighed them and encouraged the Titans to go with Locker over a host of other options at the position.
Blaine Gabbert:
“Must be more consistent with his throwing technique. Releases the ball off his back foot, which results in passes being high of the mark. Very inconsistent with his footwork throwing the ball. Tends to stare down the primary target on occasion. Can pick up yardage with his legs but is not great escaping pressure. Occasionally relies on his arm to make plays, which results in dangerous throws. Takes most of his snaps from the shotgun.”
Christian ponder:
“Has very good throwing mechanics with a quick release. An accurate thrower on short to medium length passes…can force a throw. Needs to cut down on risky throws. Doesn’t have great arm strength, has trouble with the deep ball.”
Colin Kaepernik:
“Experienced, competitive, productive and durable but very raw in terms of making NFL reads and throws. Will need to become accustomed to making pro-style progressions and must improve overall accuracy. Arm strength is good but needs to tighten up his delivery and work on getting the ball out on time with more consistency”
These were all first round or high second rd picks, and they all had “questions” about accuracy in at least one way or another. Like I said, not everyone is Andrew luck and rgIII. Just because they don’t know if he (Pryor) will be an accurate passer doesn’t mean they don’t think he will be. They knew to put brees in as the #2 day 1?? TP was # day 1 also man what are u saying? TP was the #1 qb midway through his true freshman year…he was more accurate than his numbers showed. there were at least 4 drops off easy, routine catches by his receivers.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Olsen says he doesn’t believe last year was all Knapp’s fault
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As much as I wanted Knapp gone, there is no way that it could be.
This team needs a lot of players.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
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No doubt. He’s not popular with fans because of where he was drafted, but he works hard, does the little things every time, and could STILL get better.
Those are the guys that need to be kept around.
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I agree man…. AND HE HAS….. I think last year was his best year. (Yeah, yeah, the stats don’t say so)
But, he made a couple spectacular catches this year. Like the one handed deep-ball snag…..and when the DB jumped on his back running a streak, and DHB caught the ball around the DB’s arms as they both were going down? Freakin Fantastic…. Plus his double move is Fu*kin MONEY.
Plus, have we ever seen him catch an “Over the shoulder” corner of the endzone strike before?….Not till last year. The dude IS getting better, and exactly right – he’s got everything we want on this Raider team. Everything except consistant hands; but they’re getting better.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
don’t overspend on anyone, we’re far from being a contender.
what are the implications for cutting Huff?
try to trade Palmer (difficult but worth a shot)
sounds like we’re building around DMAC, why not see what he get’s us in a trade, 2nd rounder?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Yep, Im a fan of DHB and Im sure he will restructure with out a problem, he seems like a team first guy and if he gets his playin time cut he will just keep on grindin and do whatever is asked of him
February 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Ok that was a humorous … I laughed …
HA HA FREAKING HA
NOW COULD WE GET SOME REAL FRONT OFFICE NEWS???
February 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Olsen says he doesn’t believe last year was all Knapp’s fault
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As much as I wanted Knapp gone, there is no way that it could be.
This team needs a lot of players.
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I dunno, man. Ever tried playing Madden 07 with that B&B playbook? It’s freaking impossible to score even with highly ranked players. Scheme matters
February 15th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Ok that was humorous … I needed that laugh …
HA HA FREAKING HA
NOW COULD WE GET SOME REAL FRONT OFFICE NEWS???
February 15th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Victor Cotto @cottovic
#Raiders could designate Palmer as “post-June 1″ release & split $9.340 million in signing bonus proration remains over the next 2 seasons.
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so basically, Reggie has 4 months to find a new QB
2013 = Team BigMac !!
February 15th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Yep, Im a fan of DHB and Im sure he will restructure with out a problem, he seems like a team first guy
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Give me a fuk’n break.
No way is he worth what he’s earning.
Sure DHB is nice guy and may just put the team first.
So was Mr average quarterback Campbell.
Scew that fuk’n crap, put some ugly guys out there.
We’ve watched DHB not catch the ball long enough.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Olsen says he doesn’t believe last year was all Knapp’s fault
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As much as I wanted Knapp gone, there is no way that it could be.
This team needs a lot of players.
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Is it talented and teeming with potential, as it was in 2011?
Or is it barren and irreparable, as it seemed in 2012?
Few NFL narratives changed faster in 2012 than that of Oakland’s offense. One season after it ranked ninth in total offense (15th in scoring) under coach Hue Jackson, it fell to 18th (and 26th) under new offensive coordinator Greg Knapp
Suddenly, the perception spread that the Raiders didn’t have enough good players to form a decent offense.
How could that be true when the line underwent only subtle changes and added one new starter, guard Mike Brisiel, acquired because he had a solid grasp of the zone-blocking schemes preferred by Knapp?
Moreover, the skill-position cast was much the same as a year earlier. The quarterback was Carson Palmer, the lead running back was Darren McFadden and the primary receivers were Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey and tight end Brandon Myers.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22591839/poole-can-oakland-raiders-offense-go-back-future
February 15th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
2013 = Team BigMac !!
54.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Yep, Im a fan of DHB and Im sure he will restructure with out a problem, he seems like a team first guy
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Give me a fuk’n break.
No way is he worth what he’s earning.
Sure DHB is nice guy and may just put the team first.
So was Mr average quarterback Campbell.
Scew that fuk’n crap, put some ugly guys out there.
We’ve watched DHB not catch the ball long enough.
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He was better than DMO17 last year
February 15th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
These were all first round or high second rd picks, and they all had “questions” about accuracy in at least one way or another.
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I don’t know who wrote those descriptions but there did not seem to be much debate on Kaepernicks or Tannehills accuracy coming out. Shoot Kapernick was a drafted baseball pitcher. If that doesn’t demand accuracy, I don’t know what does. Newton, yes, which is why I did not use him, but then again, Newton had won a National Championship. The two guys Gabbert and Locker the writer says have accuracy problems are having even bigger problems at this level. Yes, there are always questions about prospects coming out, particularly at the QB position, but accuracy should certainly not be one of them.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
bring cwood back let myers walk and involve ausberry!
February 15th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
SR Raider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Olsen says he doesn’t believe last year was all Knapp’s fault
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As much as I wanted Knapp gone, there is no way that it could be.
This team needs a lot of players.
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I dunno, man. Ever tried playing Madden 07 with that B&B playbook? It’s freaking impossible to score even with highly ranked players. Scheme matters
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I don’t know that the problem was Knapp’s scheme–although I never liked it.
The problem was always Knapp’s play calling.
You put Sanders calling the plays and who knows.
All we know is that Knapp has been here twice and the first time was so bad at play calling that he was replaced by Cable with the blessing of Al.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
free dmac and jones!!!! give them the rock olsen…
February 15th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Suddenly, the perception spread that the Raiders didn’t have enough good players to form a decent offense.
How could that be true when the line underwent only subtle changes and added one new starter, guard Mike Brisiel, acquired because he had a solid grasp of the zone-blocking schemes preferred by Knapp?
Moreover, the skill-position cast was much the same as a year earlier. The quarterback was Carson Palmer, the lead running back was Darren McFadden and the primary receivers were Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey and tight end Brandon Myers.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22591839/poole-can-oakland-raiders-offense-go-back-future
February 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Give me a fuk’n break.
No way is he worth what he’s earning.
STFU and read my post again, where the fk did I say he was worth what he was earning?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Give me a fuk’n break.
No way is he worth what he’s earning.
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STFU and read my post again, where the fk did I say he was worth what he was earning? I said he would restructure if Reggie wanted him too
February 15th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
30 million? to ruin the nfl? goodell should be arrested..,
February 15th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
Insofar as McFadden’s acute regression in 2011 was an obvious case of a runner ill-suited to a new scheme, Olson’s solution is logical. Put him back in his comfort zone. Construct schemes to suit talent, rather than requesting talent to adjust to the schemes.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22591839/poole-can-oakland-raiders-offense-go-back-future
February 15th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
So basically…
In 2011, Hue Jackson and Al Saunders employed a power blocking scheme and had reasonable success.
In 2012, Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp scrapped the entire 2011 season scheme, in order to install a new zone blocking offense favored by Greg Knapp.
In 2013, Dennis Allen brings in Greg Olson to scrap the 2012 system and RE-EMPLOY the 2011 system of power blocking and downhill running.
So last season was pretty much a complete waste of time and money on the football field. 2 steps backward, one step forward.
And why is Dennis Allen our head coach again?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
“Moreover, the skill-position cast was much the same as a year earlier. The quarterback was Carson Palmer, the lead running back was Darren McFadden and the primary receivers were Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey and tight end Brandon Myers.”
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Bullshiz swabby.
The offensive line saw some considerable changes and we also had that fuk’n Knapp coming in to install a system that didn’t suit McFadden or Palmer.
Get off your soapbox and stop being so racist swabbie.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
66….exactly why shrek is ill suited for the gm position…
February 15th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Get off your soapbox and stop being so racist swabbie.
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You stupid mfkr.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Get off your soapbox and stop being so racist swabbie.
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What’s racist in my post, You stupid mfkr.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
That was a copy and paste lol
Second mistake in 10 mins, England.
Having a bad day, Playboy?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Raiders could designate Palmer as “post-June 1″ release & split $9.340 million in signing bonus proration remains over the next 2 seasons.
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Are you reading GDOG??
“Signing bonus proration”.
9.34 million dollars in dead cap space, zero actual dollars.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Goodell deserves every bit the pay raise, maybe more.
The league has never been more popular or profitable.
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Get off your soapbox and stop being so racist swabbie.
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What’s racist in my post, You stupid mfkr.
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Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
February 15th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Thorwing a baseball and throwing a football are two different things, plus when u throw 91 in high school, you’re gonna be drafted, they can work on accuracy in baseball
February 15th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Raider E Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
That was a copy and paste lol
Second mistake in 10 mins, England.
Having a bad day, Playboy?
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I don’t know who you are but get fuk’n lost moron.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Get off your soapbox and stop being so racist swabbie.
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What’s racist in my post, You stupid mfkr.
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Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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Well?
February 15th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
66….exactly why shrek is ill suited for the gm position…
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Al, I am inclined to agree with you. But I think what Reggie is guilty of is giving in to what everybody asked for.
For 5 decades we heard that, Al was out of touch with the times, blah, blah, blah. That the new GM needed to hire the coach and let the coach hire HIS people, and install HIS scheme, etc.
And that is exactly what Reggie did. He bought the Ferrari, and gave the keys to his driver. Thereafter, his driver, Dennis Allen, promptly drove the Ferrari right into the Oakland Estuary.
I blame Reggie, but Dennis Allen had almost complete autonomy and clearly mismanaged the team last season.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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Because Palmer is 8-16, and Pryor is more exciting. Converted 53 percent on his 3rd downs and went 3-3 in the Red Zone. Costs a lot less. Could be the future. Palmer is not.
Everything is not race, with non-racist people. Dumbass.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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You don’t think there’s any white fans who want to see Pryor play, Racist?
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
I don’t know that the problem was Knapp’s scheme–although I never liked it.
The problem was always Knapp’s play calling.
You put Sanders calling the plays and who knows.
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I don’t think some in here realize that there’s a difference. If Brisiel was playing that hurt ‘cuz of no backup, that with the catastrophically bad Willie
smith at RT would doom any scheme. But it doesn’t entirely mitigate the god awful bad play calling.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting quotes by Olson on TP.
Hinted at different positions if he can’t win the starting gig.
Nowhere did you hear Olson talk about the need to improve pass-protection either, except for RB’s picking up the blitz on 3rd down.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
82.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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You don’t think there’s any white fans who want to see Pryor play, Racist?
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i’m filipino and irish, i wana see pryor play. NOt that i hate palmer or think he did a terrible job or anything, but I just was juiced about what pryor can bring to the table.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Speculation on previous threads about the Rams trading up, possibly for a Tackle.
Being they spent the #2 overall pick on Jason Smith in 2009, and are still absorbing some dead space there, and also used the 1st pick in the 2nd round of 2010 on a tackle, I can’t see them trading up for another tackle.
Rather, they would just wait for one to fall to them probably.
That’s a lot of resources to spend over 3 of 4 drafts on the tackle spot.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Woodson at FS? THAT I could see.
This works ONLY if Huff can play better at CB. I was impressed by his ability to transition to help the team. But if I looked at his play as a pure CB, I’d say it was marginal at best and lousy often enough…
But if Huff becomes a decent CB he’d AT LEAST be earning those big bucks he makes.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting quotes by Olson on TP.
Hinted at different positions if he can’t win the starting gig.
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Of course you didn’t provide the quote.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Suddenly, the perception spread that the Raiders didn’t have enough good players to form a decent offense.
How could that be true when the line underwent only subtle changes and added one new starter, guard Mike Brisiel, acquired because he had a solid grasp of the zone-blocking schemes preferred by Knapp?
Moreover, the skill-position cast was much the same as a year earlier. The quarterback was Carson Palmer, the lead running back was Darren McFadden and the primary receivers were Denarius Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bey and tight end Brandon Myers.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22591839/poole-can-oakland-raiders-offense-go-back-future
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Again, this is not true. The line had a new center, a new LG, and a new RG. And then it had a new RT because of injury. Also lost in all of this is Kevin Boss an established player was gone and a journeyman took his place. When you have four or five new pieces to an offensive or defensive team that is not a “subtle change”.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
“Signing Woodson would allow the Raiders to leave Michael Huff at cornerback and give them something they have lacked for numerous seasons: an impact player on defense.”
signing any competent safety would allow us to keep huff at corner. and woodson hasn’t showed he can be a playmaker since he got hurt in the super bow, all he’s showed is that he can keep getting hurt. He was one of my favorite raiders n i actually rooted for him to win the super bowl a few yrs back, but seriously?
February 15th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
You don’t think there’s any white fans who want to see Pryor play, Racist?
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Lots. Me. I don’t care if he does beat out Palmer, as long as it’s as a passer with the added bonus of mobility. I just don’t want to see an offense based on the read option, hot pistol or whatever. You do that, you need a similar QB in the wings when #1 gets hurt.
And it ain’t Raider football.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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Because Palmer is 8-16, and Pryor is more exciting. Converted 53 percent on his 3rd downs and went 3-3 in the Red Zone. Costs a lot less. Could be the future. Palmer is not.
Everything is not race, with non-racist people. Dumbass.
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Lol.
So, you’re one of these non-racist people posting huh?
I find that hard to believe since I’ve read your posts.
I think that like most Americans, you’r fixated on it.
When it comes to Prior he is defintely more exciting and definitely costs a lot less but there is no way that he is better than Palmer.
Does he scramble?
Yes.
Sure he’s mobile…for now.
Can he throw the ball? He throws ducks.
Right now, the proven quarterback is Palmer.
If Prior gets better, I’ll be the first to cheer.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Thorwing a baseball and throwing a football are two different things, plus when u throw 91 in high school, you’re gonna be drafted, they can work on accuracy in baseball
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Not really. If you have certain skill sets you can get drafted and they can find a place for you. But very very few players learn how to pitch at the pro level. Or play Q at the pro level.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Costs a lot less.
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There’s a reason he costs a lot less.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Lol.
So, you’re one of these non-racist people posting huh?
I find that hard to believe since I’ve read your posts.
I think that like most Americans, you’r fixated on it.
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You’re the one who brought up Race, liar.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting quotes by Olson on TP.
Hinted at different positions if he can’t win the starting gig.
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At receiver for a start.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
filipino + irish? skin doesn’t whether to tan or burn huh…
All Raider players are Black! Silver and Black!
Just Win Baby!!!!
February 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Of course you didn’t provide the quote.
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What you can’t read yourself?
February 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Costs a lot less.
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There’s a reason he costs a lot less.
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Silly assed retort.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
So, you’re one of these non-racist people posting huh?
I find that hard to believe since I’ve read your posts.
I think that like most Americans, you’r fixated on it.
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Like I said. I’ve read your posts over the years.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
And again, if he’s got a unique set up skills that maybe is different or better than some of the other 10 players that you have or 11 players that you have on the field, if he’s not playing the quarterback position, does he have a set of skills that might be as good or better than someone else there. So, I just think once we get out and get a chance to see Terrelle, and certainly have seen him in college, and he was an explosive player in college, and I know that. I just think it’s important that as a coach you’re willing to adapt and be flexible and be able and try to put a player like him, that may be an explosive player, on the field for you.”
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There you go KK, a cut and paste job to speak your language.
“If he is not playing the quarterback position…”
February 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
So, you’re one of these non-racist people posting huh?
I find that hard to believe since I’ve read your posts.
I think that like most Americans, you’r fixated on it.
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Like I said. I’ve read your posts over the years.
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Yeah, from your racist azzed perspective.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
But very very few players learn how to pitch at the pro level. Or play Q at the pro level.
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LOL
Many “throwers” learn how to “pitch” at he pro level.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
In the NFL there are only four or five guys starting at Q that were not very high picks. That makes it about a 90% chance that if you weren’t very talented, scouted, coached and snatched up, you have no chance.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
92.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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Because Palmer is 8-16, and Pryor is more exciting. Converted 53 percent on his 3rd downs and went 3-3 in the Red Zone. Costs a lot less. Could be the future. Palmer is not.
Everything is not race, with non-racist people. Dumbass.
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Lol.
So, you’re one of these non-racist people posting huh?
I find that hard to believe since I’ve read your posts.
I think that like most Americans, you’r fixated on it.
When it comes to Prior he is defintely more exciting and definitely costs a lot less but there is no way that he is better than Palmer.
Does he scramble?
Yes.
Sure he’s mobile…for now.
Can he throw the ball? He throws ducks.
Right now, the proven quarterback is Palmer.
If Prior gets better, I’ll be the first to cheer.
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no first or second yr qb with only one game under his belt is “established” that argument doesn’t make sense. And he can throw he can throw the ball 70+ yds one of the strengths of his game coming out of college was his arm strength
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8219d187/article/maturity-as-much-as-talent-on-display-at-pryors-pro-day
“He showed zip and an ability to fling the ball 75 or 80 yards, but he was hardly perfect. He completed 27 of his 39 throws to moving targets, with (unofficially) four dropped balls. There wasn’t a defense out there, but Pryor was also throwing to players he wasn’t accustomed to — former Lions Kevin Smith and Alrich Arnett, and ex-Bill Andre Anderson — as well as a childhood buddy he called in.
It wasn’t exactly like earlier in the offseason, when he had fellow Rosenhaus clients Sidney Rice and Chad Ochocinco with him, but to his credit, Pryor didn’t use the conditions as a crutch.”
two different critics on him from the article:
positive:
“His release was way more natural, and you could tell he’s been working on his footwork.” An AFC scout added that “(Pryor) was pretty accurate and the ball just jumped out of his hand. It was a lot better than what I expected.”
less positive:
“If you’re looking for an elite quarterback, I thought (the workout) was just OK. What you see on the film, that’s what you’re going to get.”
February 15th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
And again, if he’s got a unique set up skills that maybe is different or better than some of the other 10 players that you have or 11 players that you have on the field, if he’s not playing the quarterback position, does he have a set of skills that might be as good or better than someone else there. So, I just think once we get out and get a chance to see Terrelle, and certainly have seen him in college, and he was an explosive player in college, and I know that. I just think it’s important that as a coach you’re willing to adapt and be flexible and be able and try to put a player like him, that may be an explosive player, on the field for you.”
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There you go KK, a cut and paste job to speak your language.
“If he is not playing the quarterback position…”
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Well, we shall see, wont we.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
But very very few players learn how to pitch at the pro level. Or play Q at the pro level.
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LOL
Many “throwers” learn how to “pitch” at he pro level.
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No, they really don’t. Most “throwers” might have early success, but if they don’t learn how to pitch, they don’t last that long.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
2012 was just a really odd and frustrating year for DMAC, and therefore Raider fans.
Remember the optimistic way it started? The daily reports from training camp about how healthy and explosive he looked? No lingering effects from the foot injury.
Then the first glimpse we got of him in preseason where he was ripping off 15 yd runs. Everybody was excited. Put him on ice til the reg season, no reason to get him injured in meaningless exhibitions. Remember that?
Then the MNF opener, and it was an unmitigated disaster. Knapps gameplan was seemingly run # 20 right, run him left and then throw it to him on 3rd down. Only problem was SD was obviously keying on him and he went nowhere. Nobody else was involved or included into the gameplan until it was too late.
It spiraled downhill from there. Just a schematic mismatch. He never looked comfortable. Misreading his blocks.
It was easy to blame to blame Knapp, the ZBS system and the O-line. The perplexing thing is how well Goodson and even Reece looked under the same circumstance.
I can only guess when McFadden was injured, the defenses focus shifted to Palmer and the passing game. When #20 is in Oakland’s lineup, all eyes are on him.
2013 is a huge year for DMac. Contract year. Guys wanna get payed. Hit that open FA market. If he can stay healthy, and with the switch back to one gap, downhill blocking, expect a big bounce back year from McFadden.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Billy Koch never learned to pitch
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
105.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
In the NFL there are only four or five guys starting at Q that were not very high picks. That makes it about a 90% chance that if you weren’t very talented, scouted, coached and snatched up, you have no chance.
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those are different circumstance though because he had a lof of off field issues and was facing a 5 game suspension coming in, wasn’t able to go through the full draft process where most qbs actually move up on the draft board and show what they have. he put together a small pro day at the last minute to try and show his ability. and a 3rd rd pick is still pretty high. plus of course teams are going to start their first rd picks they invested a 1st rd pick in them.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
PFF rated RB’s on broken tackles per carry or something like that, Goodson didn’t have enough touches to count, but he would have been #1 in the NFL if so.
McFadden? Almost dead last.
He ran heartless, all season long.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Al didn’t already have PRYOR when he was lookin at Kappy
February 15th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
PFF rated RB’s on broken tackles per carry or something like that, Goodson didn’t have enough touches to count, but he would have been #1 in the NFL if so.
McFadden? Almost dead last.
He ran heartless, all season long.
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He certainly wasn’t “heartless” when he went off on Greg Knapp.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Well tell me KK.
Why are you pushing Prior over Palmer?
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You don’t think there’s any white fans who want to see Pryor play, Racist?
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Prolly a lot of dummass white Madden players.
I bet there aren’t many wanting him to play SOLELY because he’s black though.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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BullSheet.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
118.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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kaepernik was already on the niners when al took pryor…are u people serious. Kaepernik went in the second rd of the 2011 draft and pryor was a supplemental pick in the 2011 supplemental draft…get your facts right
February 15th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Interesting articles on PFF lately.
Miles Burris ranked among the worst tacklers in the NFL, Veldheer ranked as one of the best LT’s in all of football, and the Raiders finished 18th in pass protection, weighed down heavily by Willie Smith.
Ravens ranked 23rd in pass protection, 5 spots worse than us (Oher was awful). Colts 31st. 49ers #1.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
PFF rated RB’s on broken tackles per carry or something like that, Goodson didn’t have enough touches to count, but he would have been #1 in the NFL if so.
McFadden? Almost dead last.
He ran heartless, all season long.
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I just subscribed. He was bottom ten in cumulative yards after contact per attempt. True.
Thats why Hue worked so hard to get him into open spaces.
Most of his positives over the years came when he was both catching the ball AND running. Knapp had him catching the ball with his back to the LBs in front of the LOS. It was like he drew the plays up for anyone BUT McFadden.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Billy Koch never learned to pitch
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Koch normally only threw 12 pitches a game.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
122.Gdog Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
PFF rated RB’s on broken tackles per carry or something like that, Goodson didn’t have enough touches to count, but he would have been #1 in the NFL if so.
McFadden? Almost dead last.
He ran heartless, all season long.
>>>>>
I just subscribed. He was bottom ten in cumulative yards after contact per attempt. True.
Thats why Hue worked so hard to get him into open spaces.
Most of his positives over the years came when he was both catching the ball AND running. Knapp had him catching the ball with his back to the LBs in front of the LOS. It was like he drew the plays up for anyone BUT McFadden.
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mcfadden was better running downhill where he had momentum going into the defender so he can either run them over or make a move…he was going sideways 90% of the time he got the ball this yr. he didn’t run great tho..he was probably tops in the league a tripping on himmself trying to make a move…killed me when he did that
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Tommy Kelly had 10 penalties, most of any NFL D-lineman.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
118.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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kaepernik was already on the niners when al took pryor…are u people serious. Kaepernik went in the second rd of the 2011 draft and pryor was a supplemental pick in the 2011 supplemental draft…get your facts right
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????
I already know this.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
The Raiders seem set at center (Stefen Wisniewski) and left tackle (Jared Veldheer). The other three spots could all use upgrades. Right guard Mike Brisiel, a former Houston Texan who was signed last year, is getting older and struggled in run blocking (-3.4). He also reportedly just underwent significant ankle surgery. On a rebuilding team in need of cap space, he’s no lock to make the 2013 roster.
The other two spots include free agents Cooper Carlisle and Khalif Barnes. Aging left guard Cooper (he was drafted in 2000) was reliable in pass protection but awful in run blocking (-7.2 and hasn’t graded out positively in this area since 2009). Right tackle Barnes, a former second-round pick in 2005, was limited to just nine games last season due to injury and also recently underwent surgery. Unfortunately, Barnes was also a liability when he was on the field. Barnes’ backup Willie Smith, a former Washington Redskin, is not the answer either.
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As I said, run blocking was an issue, 3 of our 5 guys graded out very well in pass proctection.
Willie Smith f’d up the overall rating.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
We should def look to sign Woodson if we can he would be a huge upgrade for us at Free Safety.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
118.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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kaepernik was already on the niners when al took pryor…are u people serious. Kaepernik went in the second rd of the 2011 draft and pryor was a supplemental pick in the 2011 supplemental draft…get your facts right
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????
I already know this
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then y would u even say
“Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver”
or
“Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback”??
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
105.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
In the NFL there are only four or five guys starting at Q that were not very high picks. That makes it about a 90% chance that if you weren’t very talented, scouted, coached and snatched up, you have no chance.
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those are different circumstance though because he had a lof of off field issues and was facing a 5 game suspension coming in, wasn’t able to go through the full draft process where most qbs actually move up on the draft board and show what they have. he put together a small pro day at the last minute to try and show his ability. and a 3rd rd pick is still pretty high. plus of course teams are going to start their first rd picks they invested a 1st rd pick in them.
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I don’t think that is actually accurate. Pryor had every intention of going back for his last season but because of the scandal directly involving him, he was suspended so there was no reason for him to go back. He might as well move forward. So there came to be the “Pryor Rule” where if you get suspended in the NCAA it carries over into the NFL. Hence why he opted for the supplemental draft and was suspended coming in.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Houston and Bryant were 2 of the 3 D-lineman to make the all AFC West team.
STar at #3???
Not happening.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
yes al davis wanted kaepernik, when he didn’t get him, and he found out that he could get pryor in the supplemental draft, he jumped on it.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Interesting articles on PFF lately.
Miles Burris ranked among the worst tacklers in the NFL, Veldheer ranked as one of the best LT’s in all of football, and the Raiders finished 18th in pass protection, weighed down heavily by Willie Smith.
Ravens ranked 23rd in pass protection, 5 spots worse than us (Oher was awful). Colts 31st. 49ers #1.
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Ru ro!!! Your worst nightmare just came true. I just subscribed to PFF. You can’t keep making up lies!
Oher had positive marks as a pass blocker (+3.7)
Its at run blocking he stunk… (-16.6)
And Balt was six spots above the Raiders at pass blocking. 17th.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
130.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
105.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
In the NFL there are only four or five guys starting at Q that were not very high picks. That makes it about a 90% chance that if you weren’t very talented, scouted, coached and snatched up, you have no chance.
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those are different circumstance though because he had a lof of off field issues and was facing a 5 game suspension coming in, wasn’t able to go through the full draft process where most qbs actually move up on the draft board and show what they have. he put together a small pro day at the last minute to try and show his ability. and a 3rd rd pick is still pretty high. plus of course teams are going to start their first rd picks they invested a 1st rd pick in them.
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I don’t think that is actually accurate. Pryor had every intention of going back for his last season but because of the scandal directly involving him, he was suspended so there was no reason for him to go back. He might as well move forward. So there came to be the “Pryor Rule” where if you get suspended in the NCAA it carries over into the NFL. Hence why he opted for the supplemental draft and was suspended coming in.
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I don’t get how what u said makes anything i said incorrect…
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Of the 5 QB’s taken in the supp draft prior to TP (Dave Wilson, Bernie Kosar, Steve Walch, Timm Rosenbaugh, Dave Brown) every one of them was a 1st round pick.
TP is the 1st QB taken in the Sup draft, that wasn’t a first round pick.
Can’t use the Sup draft excuse for his 3rd round selection.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
118.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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kaepernik was already on the niners when al took pryor…are u people serious. Kaepernik went in the second rd of the 2011 draft and pryor was a supplemental pick in the 2011 supplemental draft…get your facts right
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????
I already know this
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then y would u even say
“Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver”
or
“Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback”??
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Because I was talking about Al’s preference for Kaepernick over Prior.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Woodson? Come on guys……let’s get a young guy back there….Phillip Thomas or Jon Cyprien will be avaliable in 3rd round maybe even 4th
February 15th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
130.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
105.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
In the NFL there are only four or five guys starting at Q that were not very high picks. That makes it about a 90% chance that if you weren’t very talented, scouted, coached and snatched up, you have no chance.
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those are different circumstance though because he had a lof of off field issues and was facing a 5 game suspension coming in, wasn’t able to go through the full draft process where most qbs actually move up on the draft board and show what they have. he put together a small pro day at the last minute to try and show his ability. and a 3rd rd pick is still pretty high. plus of course teams are going to start their first rd picks they invested a 1st rd pick in them.
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I don’t think that is actually accurate. Pryor had every intention of going back for his last season but because of the scandal directly involving him, he was suspended so there was no reason for him to go back. He might as well move forward. So there came to be the “Pryor Rule” where if you get suspended in the NCAA it carries over into the NFL. Hence why he opted for the supplemental draft and was suspended coming in.
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everyone knew going into the supplemental draft that he was facing a 5 game suspension (like i said) thats one of the reasons he didn’t go high, to go along with teams not wanting to spend high draft picks in the supplemental draft, him not getting to go through the full draft process(being able to workout for a whol offseason just for combine, combine, scheduled pro day, workoouts and interviews with individual teams).
February 15th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Raiders 19th in Pass Blocking (that’s what PB means) Ravens 23rd.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/2/
February 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
You’re right. I thought you thought he missed the full draft process because of the suspension. My point is he had no intention of going through the draft until he got suspended.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Houston and Bryant were 2 of the 3 D-lineman to make the all AFC West team.
STar at #3???
Not happening.
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And neither Bryant or Houston can play NT….Bryant is a UT and so is Houston….Vegas you know better
February 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
135.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Of the 5 QB’s taken in the supp draft prior to TP (Dave Wilson, Bernie Kosar, Steve Walch, Timm Rosenbaugh, Dave Brown) every one of them was a 1st round pick.
TP is the 1st QB taken in the Sup draft, that wasn’t a first round pick.
Can’t use the Sup draft excuse for his 3rd round selection.
136.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
118.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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Nobody on this blog speaks for Al Davis
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I could care fuk’n less (a) whether anyone can speak for Al and (b) whether you approve.
Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback.
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kaepernik was already on the niners when al took pryor…are u people serious. Kaepernik went in the second rd of the 2011 draft and pryor was a supplemental pick in the 2011 supplemental draft…get your facts right
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????
I already know this
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then y would u even say
“Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver”
or
“Most people in the football world think that Al intended to draft Kaepernick.
He wouldn’t have wanted to draft Kaepernick if he thought that Prior was his future quarterback”??
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Because I was talking about Al’s preference for Kaepernick over Prior.
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pryor wasn’t even available when he wanted kaepernik, he wasn’t eligible they thought he was going back for his senior season. There’s no way to know if they were both eligible, who he would have wanted because that situation never came up
February 15th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
GDog, your not very good at reading tables and charts.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
140.Seymour Bush Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
You’re right. I thought you thought he missed the full draft process because of the suspension. My point is he had no intention of going through the draft until he got suspended.
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well then you’re right too…just a mis communication. haha
February 15th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
And neither Bryant or Houston can play NT….Bryant is a UT and so is Houston….Vegas you know better
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Teams are throwing the ball 60% of the time, unless this “NT” is good at rushing the passer, he isn’t even useful half the plays.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Raiders are rebuilding and we have some dipschits who want to rebuild with an aging washed up 34 year old mfka like Palmer as starter…..such a joke
You would pay 13 million to a guy at 34 who cant lead you to playoffs in 2013? Amazing
February 15th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
And neither Bryant or Houston can play NT….Bryant is a UT and so is Houston….Vegas you know better
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Teams are throwing the ball 60% of the time, unless this “NT” is good at rushing the passer, he isn’t even useful half the plays.
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The ability to take up two blockers allowing one on one for the UT or RDE is very valuable….come on Vegas…youre better than this
Teams still are gonna run the fkin football
February 15th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Raiders 19th in Pass Blocking (that’s what PB means) Ravens 23rd.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/28/ranking-the-2012-offensive-lines/2/
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The premium stats sez differently. Perhaps the guy that wrote the article was tired? He had Veldeers and Smith stats right though. shrug
Ravens pass blocking: +14.5
Raiders: +1.3
February 15th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
McFadden 3rd worst drop rate of all NFL RB’s.
Dude has great hands, effort and focus was a major issue last year.
Got to think a contract year will correct that.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
GDog, your not very good at reading tables and charts.
>>>
Prove me wrong.
It would cost you 26 bucks to do it.
I bet you don’t have the money…
February 15th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
they need to figure out for sure whether they are running the 3-4 or the 4-3. until then how can anybody know who they are gonna keep, get rid of, or what position they are gonna play, and therefore what our real needs are. we need some info on that asap, please. n no more of this hybrid sh!t
February 15th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Houston Star Bryant
Wheeler Gaither Burris Brandon Jenkins
Rogers-Cromartie Hanson Adams Chekwa
Branch Huff
Veldheer FA Wiz Bergstrom FA
Palmer/Pryor
DMAC Reece
Streater Moore Criner Ford
Myers Ausberry
King
Jano
Ford
February 15th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
dmac will lead this offense back to respectability…
February 15th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
McFadden 3rd worst drop rate of all NFL RB’s.
Dude has great hands, effort and focus was a major issue last year.
Got to think a contract year will correct that.
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Of course it will….thats the new age players mayne!
But dont tell Bo or even Glenny that news….they think Justin Farglass was a good RB
February 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
149.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
McFadden 3rd worst drop rate of all NFL RB’s.
Dude has great hands, effort and focus was a major issue last year.
Got to think a contract year will correct that.
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he really seemed uninterested this yr. although in his defense a lot of those balls were getting thrown to him and then he was getting laid out by a lb. i felt so bad for him in the first SD game, got the ball like 15 times and got lit up right when he caught it on more than half of them. he was prolly pissed at carson for that
February 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
I already proved you wrong, I posted the link.
You read #17 for the Ravens (their cumultative total) and went with that, so eager to try to prove me wrong you didn’t wait 10 seconds to read it all.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Houston Star Bryant
Wheeler Gaither Burris Brandon Jenkins
Rogers-Cromartie Hanson Adams Chekwa
Branch Huff
Veldheer FA Wiz Bergstrom FA
Palmer/Pryor
DMAC Reece
Streater Moore Criner Ford
Myers Ausberry
King
Jano
Ford
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3-4 defense? count me out. Those 4 LBs in that scheme are not good enough man
4-3 D!
February 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
al wanted kap…thats a fact.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
I already proved you wrong, I posted the link.
You read #17 for the Ravens (their cumultative total) and went with that, so eager to try to prove me wrong you didn’t wait 10 seconds to read it all.
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Shedog be well prepared when you debate with Vegas Raider, ok?
Now go run to your room and watch Nick Jr.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
No, they really don’t. Most “throwers” might have early success, but if they don’t learn how to pitch, they don’t last that long.
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And where are they learning to pitch?
Baseball is a game of adjustments, and adding too.
Many throwers round their games at at the Major League level.
Ask ANY Major League pitcher.
To suggest that ANY pitcher is a FINISHED product when they come up is ignorant.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
he was prolly pissed at carson for that
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Exactly.
As bad as Knapp was, he isn’t telling Carson where to throw it, and even if he was, Carson doesn’t have to listen.
All these 3rd and 8, 2 yard throws weren’t all by design. There were other guys in the routes.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
158.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
al wanted kap…thats a fact.
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i think everyone knows that…what are you trying to say?
February 15th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
al wanted kap…thats a fact.
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And wouldnt have wanted Palmer for all he cost in draft picks, money and losses
February 15th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
“pryor wasn’t even available when he wanted kaepernik, he wasn’t eligible they thought he was going back for his senior season. There’s no way to know if they were both eligible, who he would have wanted because that situation never came up”
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Still not sure what your point is.
Every thing that I read says that Al wanted Kaepernick not prior before the whineres traded up and picked him in the supplemental draft as an afterthought with the additional thought-like most coaches-that he could be converted to receiver.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
just pointing it out…thought someone said he wanted pryor over kap….
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
al wanted kap…thats a fact.
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I don’t know about fact but that’s what most people think.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I wanted badly to take Kap, and I like to support the Nor Cal products and baseball guys.
But he only had 10 starts, and you saw with that INT he threw that he still has to learn (if possible; not sure with that delivery) to put that touch on intermediate throws.
I expect him to take a step back next year, with game film on him and such.
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
he wouldnt want palmer due to arm strength…
February 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Vann McElroy, Willie Brown, Mike Haynes, Ronnie Lott, Lester Hayes, Eric Allen wouldn’t care about flags or fines,
February 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
INT in *Super Bowl*
February 15th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
I already proved you wrong, I posted the link.
You read #17 for the Ravens (their cumultative total) and went with that, so eager to try to prove me wrong you didn’t wait 10 seconds to read it all.
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I suppose I can post a screen grab for you if you are too cheap to pay the 26 bucks (because obviously you don’t have a job) but that isn’t going to come any cheaper for you. I want compensation.
Maybe you can ask your mom upstairs for the $26?
February 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Len….very correct on baseball when it comes to pitchers. Alot of pitches they gain over the years had to be taught over time. Rare you gonna see a HS phenom with a nasty slider with a deadly changeup
February 15th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
… they would own the field,
From a real money perspective, signing C. Woodson would be a great marketing move.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Since your pretty awful at charts, I am sure whatever your looking at you are interrupting incorrectly.
It’s right there in the link. Season end pass-protection and cumultative O-line rankings.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I wanted badly to take Kap, and I like to support the Nor Cal products and baseball guys.
But he only had 10 starts, and you saw with that INT he threw that he still has to learn (if possible; not sure with that delivery) to put that touch on intermediate throws.
I expect him to take a step back next year, with game film on him and such.
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He fires every pass in there…no touch as of yet
And notice in short areas inside redzone he isnt that great. I saw alot of his TD passes this season be of the longer variety. I dont see him dropping back at 5 yardline and throwing a nice ball for a TD
February 15th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
But anyway… JFB is here and will post 300 more times in the next hour, like its the only thing he does in life.
Just not for me I guess…
poof
February 15th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Most big-league pitchers don’t even learn the changeup (or learn how to use it) until they hit the bigs and learn some trick from some vet pitcher.
Also fastballs and slider/curvers before the show.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Since your pretty awful at charts, I am sure whatever your looking at you are interrupting incorrectly.
It’s right there in the link. Season end pass-protection and cumultative O-line rankings.
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The premium stats differ.
Concentrate.
The premium stats differ.
That is all I am saying.
If you cannot look at the premium stats you have no idea what I am looking at. Pay the 26 bucks or shut up.
Your choice…
February 15th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
Len….very correct on baseball when it comes to pitchers. Alot of pitches they gain over the years had to be taught over time. Rare you gonna see a HS phenom with a nasty slider with a deadly changeup
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Not many Doc Goodens or Felix Hernadez’s out there.
Throwers can get to the show because of their stuff that dominates in AAA.
When they hit the show, adjustments are made, eventually, because of the MLB hitters skills.
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
Yep.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
135.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Of the 5 QB’s taken in the supp draft prior to TP (Dave Wilson, Bernie Kosar, Steve Walch, Timm Rosenbaugh, Dave Brown) every one of them was a 1st round pick.
TP is the 1st QB taken in the Sup draft, that wasn’t a first round pick.
Can’t use the Sup draft excuse for his 3rd round selection.
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the last time a qb was taken that high was 1992, 20 yrs ago…c’mon man.. when was the last time anyone was taken in the 1st rnd of the supplemental draft? 1992. and he didnt have any background issues like TP nor was he facing a 5 game suspension. I bet none of those guys were facing suspensins. Players drop for far less than tp dropped. look at janoris jenkins this yr. he was the best CB in the draft skill wise, but got drafted mid 2nd round. Off field issues cause players to slip all the time. and i dont think any player that i can think of in the history of the nfl was facing a suspension before the even got drafted. his circumstances were very different.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
TP is the 1st QB taken in the Sup draft, that wasn’t a first round pick.
Can’t use the Sup draft excuse for his 3rd round selection.
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I don’t really give a fk where a player is drafted, but pryor did come into the Sup draft unlike any before him, the lockout BS and the league not even sure if there was goin to be a sup draft etc… add that to the fact he was comin into the league with a suspension hangin over his head already. I think those are some very valid excuses, I myself think the 3rd round was just right for him..so…….
February 15th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
3-4 defense? count me out. Those 4 LBs in that scheme are not good enough man
4-3 D!
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for the 4-3, i’d say:
Shaughnessey Star Houston Carter
wheeler gaither burris
rodgers-cromartie hanson adams checkwa
branch huff (reworked deal)
February 15th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
I am sure the premium stats are the same and you are looking through your born retarded glasses at it.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Most big-league pitchers don’t even learn the changeup (or learn how to use it) until they hit the bigs and learn some trick from some vet pitcher.
Also fastballs and slider/curvers before the show.
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Yep.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
lets bring back James Trapp too! he’ll come in and kick fools in the behind. Our guys need it!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
3rd was perfect for him.
But all sup picks have issues coming in, most off-the field.
Yes it has been 20 years since a 1st round pick was used, but a lot of 2nd rounders since then, including one last year.
Point is, the Sup draft is about where a player would be drafted, IMO. Maybe taken down 15-20 spots.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
so baseball doesn’t have its own blog?
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
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Depends on if Panda is in the lineup
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
175.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
I wanted badly to take Kap, and I like to support the Nor Cal products and baseball guys.
But he only had 10 starts, and you saw with that INT he threw that he still has to learn (if possible; not sure with that delivery) to put that touch on intermediate throws.
I expect him to take a step back next year, with game film on him and such.
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He fires every pass in there…no touch as of yet
And notice in short areas inside redzone he isnt that great. I saw alot of his TD passes this season be of the longer variety. I dont see him dropping back at 5 yardline and throwing a nice ball for a TD
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if u guys are talking about kaepernik which i think u are. I think when teams get more tape on him and the offense he will struggle at least at first. I think that will happen with a lot of these young qbs, luck, griffin, wilson included. Luck looked pretty terrible in their playoff game…I think luck is good, could even be great, but the colts actually had a negative point differential on the season, the 10+ wins was pretty weird, they say that oint differential usually winds up manifesting itself in a 6-10 record. they’ll all go throuhg their lumps their sophomore season like cam newton and andy dalton did this year
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Speaking of baseball:
Say: J. Hill–
I see that Greinke is saying that his first day in camp “seemed like a lot of work”.
Lol.
Between him and Beckett there is going to be a great atmosphere in the Dodger club house….
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/2013/02/15/reddick-vows-as-team-chemisty-wont-evaporate/?# there you go
February 15th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
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Depends on if Panda is in the lineup
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Lol
Go Giants!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
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Depends on if Panda is in the lineup
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LMFAO!
NICE!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Josh Gordon last year didn’t play the season before, and had 3 failed drug tests and some run-ins with the police.
2nd round pick in the sup draft, and high 2nd round pick (Browns).
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
LEROY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/2013/02/15/reddick-vows-as-team-chemisty-wont-evaporate/?# there you go
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LET’S GO OAKLAND!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
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Depends on if Panda is in the lineup
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Lol
Go Giants!
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FK the giants
February 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
the SJ Sharks must get their sputtering offense going. having being shut out twice and only scoring two goals in their past four games.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
That last pass Kap threw in the Bowl majorly lacked touch.
These fades these elite guys threw these days, they get the ball to be almost coming straight down at the end of it, giving a WR a true “jump-ball”.
Kap’s 2 seamer tailed right OOB.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
guys,
Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kap are all legit. Kap threw for over 300 yds in the SB. I am thankful the Niners OC was too dumb to run him in on that last drive. years from now, this past QB class will go down as one of the best class ever. Trust me.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
165.Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
just pointing it out…thought someone said he wanted pryor over kap….
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i dont know if anyone said that, that would be a false statement, you could never know for sure who he would have wanted more because they came out at different times (KAp in the normal draft, TP in supplemental). someone was arguing that Al wanted Kap and trying to say that because of this he didn’t think pryor could be a starting qb in the future. which is also wrong.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
199.aig-raiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
guys,
Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kap are all legit. Kap threw for over 300 yds in the SB. I am thankful the Niners OC was too dumb to run him in on that last drive. years from now, this past QB class will go down as one of the best class ever. Trust me.
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that may be true, but u can’t count kaepernik in that class, since it was his second year in the league, he was drafter 2011, not 2012.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
I think you guys are being a little bit too tough on Kap. Only 10 starts and he is in a do or die situation with a full on blitz by Lewis and Co in the SB. Kap is the real deal and we Raiders may forever regret not being able to get him.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
LEROY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/2013/02/15/reddick-vows-as-team-chemisty-wont-evaporate/?# there you go
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LET’S GO OAKLAND!
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Defending Divisional Champs.
Good young pitching, and added talent to the roster.
Jemile Weeks will be a sleeper this year.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Looked like they had a design run on I think the 2nd down play, but had to burn a timeout before the play to avoid a delay.
He had a run-pass option I think on one of the Crabtree passes.
Gets tough to run in tight like that for a QB in the 5 yard and in area, unless your Cam or Tebow and are built and run like a FB.
RGIII, Kap, Pryor, these guys are built and run more like WR’s.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
NGRaideran. I stand corrected on that Kap and that draft class. But Kap is awesome in my book. Even Terrell Suggs said he was the real deal.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Is Justin Verlander a better PITCHER today?
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Depends on if Panda is in the lineup
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Lol
Go Giants!
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FK the giants
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Lol
It’s going to be three out of four years Brien!
February 15th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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Why not.
Al always liked finding the Guy from the small school that people undervalued.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
If I have to hear about Jemile Weeks all offseason again…..
The team got massively better once they sent him down (and didn’t call him up either in September).
Dude makes Luis Polonia look like a Power-hitter.
All arms in his swing, the black gigantic azz gene must have skipped him over.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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Why not.
Al always liked finding the Guy from the small school that people undervalued.
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Not QB’s, he didn’t.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
If I have to hear about Jemile Weeks all offseason again…..
The team got massively better once they sent him down (and didn’t call him up either in September).
Dude makes Luis Polonia look like a Power-hitter.
All arms in his swing, the black gigantic azz gene must have skipped him over.
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JFB, don’t be a hater my man.
Just sayin it could have been a sophomore slump.
Gigantic azz gene?
February 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Glad the A’s didn’t bring back Drew though.
Told some A’s fans on here last year, dude is a major clubhouse issue.
Got it on a very good source.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Kapernick was quoted as saying the Raiders told him they were going to draft him. I remember reading about that.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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Why not.
Al always liked finding the Guy from the small school that people undervalued.
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Veldheer for example.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Not QB’s, he didn’t.
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Eldridge Dickey…. Tennessee State?
February 15th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Josh Reddick is one of my favorite defensive outfielders to watch though.
Him, Gio Stanton, Bryce Harper, Adam Jones off the top of my head
February 15th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Source: Kaepernick is No. 1 QB on Raiders’ draft board
Twelve days ago, a league source told PFT that one unnamed AFC West team informed Nevada’s Colin Kaepernick that he is the No. 1 quarterback on their draft board.
PFT has tracked down the team.
Per a league source, it’s the Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders hosted Kaepernick for an official, team-facility visit on April 12. Thursday morning, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Oakland is trying to trade into the first round of the draft.
Michael David Smith speculated that Kaepernick could be the Raiders’ target. Other reports suggest it could be Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith.
Meanwhile, NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora told a Miami radio show Thursday morning that he believes the Dolphins will draft Kaepernick with the 15th overall pick.
Kaepernick was not included in renowned draft prognosticator Rick Gosselin’s first round.
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February 15th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
194.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Josh Gordon last year didn’t play the season before, and had 3 failed drug tests and some run-ins with the police.
2nd round pick in the sup draft, and high 2nd round pick (Browns).
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6′4″ 220, hig 4.3-low4.4 4o yd dash. most yrs thats a 1st rd pick on measurables alone.
also he had a faiirly productive last season at baylor, showed a lot of big play potential (17 yds per catch, 7 tds as a true sophomore).
February 15th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
206.aig-raiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
NGRaideran. I stand corrected on that Kap and that draft class. But Kap is awesome in my book. Even Terrell Suggs said he was the real deal.
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i’ll reserve judgement on him until he plays another full season but yea he has shown superstar potential no doubt. would have looked good in silver and black. that tattoo thing would have been blown WAAAAYYY out of proportion if he was a raider tho hahaha
February 15th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Told some A’s fans on here last year, dude is a major clubhouse issue.
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You can’t just tease it JFB.
You’ll need to elaborate.
Need to know the dirt. lol
February 15th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Kap can play. Period.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
194.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Josh Gordon last year didn’t play the season before, and had 3 failed drug tests and some run-ins with the police.
2nd round pick in the sup draft, and high 2nd round pick (Browns).
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also, al didnt have a 2nd round pick, to spend on pryor. you don’t know he wouldn’t have rolled the dice in the second if he had the pick.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Woodson?? Better give a big discount..
February 15th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
also, al didnt have a 2nd round pick, to spend on pryor. you don’t know he wouldn’t have rolled the dice in the second if he had the pick.
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True.
Al had always loved big strong athletes.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
217.KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Source: Kaepernick is No. 1 QB on Raiders’ draft board
Twelve days ago, a league source told PFT that one unnamed AFC West team informed Nevada’s Colin Kaepernick that he is the No. 1 quarterback on their draft board.
PFT has tracked down the team.
Per a league source, it’s the Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders hosted Kaepernick for an official, team-facility visit on April 12. Thursday morning, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Oakland is trying to trade into the first round of the draft.
Michael David Smith speculated that Kaepernick could be the Raiders’ target. Other reports suggest it could be Colorado cornerback Jimmy Smith.
Meanwhile, NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora told a Miami radio show Thursday morning that he believes the Dolphins will draft Kaepernick with the 15th overall pick.
Kaepernick was not included in renowned draft prognosticator Rick Gosselin’s first round.
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crazy to thin that jimmy smith, our other draft target, was the one covering crabtree on that last play in the super bowl.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Woodson?? Better give a big discount..
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37 in October.
Vet minimum?
C Woodson ain’t the missing piece.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
There is no missing piece. We are way off. we need to cut everybody with a big salary. Only bring in cheeps. Its a rebuild. Might as well save for next yr. Try for clowney and some prime fa’s.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
There is no missing piece. We are way off. we need to cut everybody with a big salary. Only bring in cheeps. Its a rebuild. Might as well save for next yr. Try for clowney and some prime fa’s.
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Cut the out of whack contracts.
Take our medicine all at once.
The Raiders will be to good next season to land Clowney. If Clowney goes in the top 8.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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I’m sure this has been addressed, haven’t read all the intervening posts, but it was widely speculated that kap was high on our list but San Fran jumped in front of us and grabbed him.2011 draft. Pryor in 2011 supplemental draft. That would be after the regular draft.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Howie Long, Villanova.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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that’s until Priest got involved. He made a personal recommendation to the scouting department and was very adamant about the Raiders needing to draft Kaepernick. They were all set to do just that when the 49ers snatched him from under our noses.
Allegedly.
February 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
After reading the intervening posts, EnglandRaider may still not get the Kap/Pryor timeline.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
NCOakRaider Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Let’s bring back Lester Hayes also.
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LOL. Exactly.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
After reading the intervening posts, EnglandRaider may still not get the Kap/Pryor timeline.
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What is that Purvis?
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting quotes by Olson on TP.
Hinted at different positions if he can’t win the starting gig.
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Of course you didn’t provide the quote.
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Crap Kell you just arguing to argue? If you read the interview that is exactly what it said.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
is it just me or does it seem like corkran is just mailing it in these days…..he shoudnt be getting paid for this stuff…
February 15th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
No Woodson. Still can play but for what? One year
February 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
What’s this talk of slash and burn..cut everybody..etc.etc.etc.
C’mon. Raiders are making the move in 2013 NOT 2014.
No Clowney when we’re drafting so far back.
No SB in 2013 but we’re gonna surprise alot of people.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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Why not.
Al always liked finding the Guy from the small school that people undervalued.
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Not QB’s, he didn’t.
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I know, let’s just draft the big kid from LSU. The QB on the best team in the strongest conference.
Can’t miss right?
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
What’s this talk of slash and burn..cut everybody..etc.etc.etc.
C’mon. Raiders are making the move in 2013 NOT 2014.
No Clowney when we’re drafting so far back.
No SB in 2013 but we’re gonna surprise alot of people.
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Really?….when did we fire dennis allen?
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
You can’t just tease it JFB.
You’ll need to elaborate.
Need to know the dirt. lol
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Me first guy, loves to yell at umps, when teammates have told him to stop as it effects calls for the rest of the team, he blew them off.
This was in AZ, but it held true in Oak as well.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Speaking of probably past their prime defenders, I’d probably be more interested in Dwight Freeney at this point, but only for like $2-3 mil. Maybe 4.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
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Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
February 15th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
00tt00 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
What’s this talk of slash and burn..cut everybody..etc.etc.etc.
C’mon. Raiders are making the move in 2013 NOT 2014.
No Clowney when we’re drafting so far back.
No SB in 2013 but we’re gonna surprise alot of people.
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Really?….when did we fire dennis allen?
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Wk. 4. After DA leads us to 1-3 start, Raider brass angst hastens his departure and Coach Sparano leads us to 9-3 finish.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says: Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
After reading the intervening posts, EnglandRaider may still not get the Kap/Pryor timeline.
What is that Purvis?
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Pryor wasn’t available until after Kap had been drafted and no one even knew if he was going to apply for the supplemental draft. You asked why Al would’ve wanted Pryor had he already had Kap. If you want to speculate that Al indeed wanted Kap(not known) and that he was prescient enough to know Pryor was going to ask to be in the sup. draft and also allowed to by the NFL(also not known) and that Al intended to draft Pryor intending to convert him to wide receiver, well, then, speculate to your hearts content. But that’s a lot of speculation.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
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Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
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He’s ready to compete for the back-up job. Nothing more.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Me first guy, loves to yell at umps, when teammates have told him to stop as it effects calls for the rest of the team, he blew them off.
This was in AZ, but it held true in Oak as well.
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Understood.
Gifted, privileged, catered too, AHOLE.
You can deal with it as an organization if your name is
Barry Bonds, but most fall short of that standard.
Movin on from bad news.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Interesting quotes by Olson on TP.
Hinted at different positions if he can’t win the starting gig.
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Of course you didn’t provide the quote.
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Crap Kell you just arguing to argue? If you read the interview that is exactly what it said.
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JRJ’s right. To me this was pretty telling:
Q: How much of being open to the quarterbacks is a result of what happened with a Kaepernick? Do you feel like you have to find out if you have your own Kaepernick?
A: “We’d like to find that out. What’s DIFFERENT about Kaepernick is certainly that they feel great about him in all areas of the game.”
Translation: Pryor’s ability as a passer is pretty sketchy to us at this point.
Best of luck to TP6 though. I’m rooting for the kid. He’s exciting. Seems determined. Let’s just be real though and not overestimate or overhype where he’s at.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
00tt00 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
What’s this talk of slash and burn..cut everybody..etc.etc.etc.
C’mon. Raiders are making the move in 2013 NOT 2014.
No Clowney when we’re drafting so far back.
No SB in 2013 but we’re gonna surprise alot of people.
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Really?….when did we fire dennis allen?
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Wk. 4. After DA leads us to 1-3 start, Raider brass angst hastens his departure and Coach Sparano leads us to 9-3 finish.
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Yes, with Sparano emphatically claiming “THE DIVISION STILL GOES THROUGH US”
And then John Fox laughs at him on film later.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I think they should bring in Peyton Hillis to reunite with DMC. It would be a cheap and effective way for a big back to compliment DMC.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Al only drafted 3 first round QB’s going back to Wilson, if I’m not mistaken. 4, if you goback to Dickey in the late sixties.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
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Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
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He’s ready to compete for the back-up job. Nothing more.
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Just like Woodson Palmer will be cut to. TP will be the starter in 2013.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Man. Alot of negativity going on round here.
I guess that’s what 4-12 does to a fanbase.
Seriously….we can be good this yr.
It happens.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Godeep Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
I think they should bring in Peyton Hillis to reunite with DMC. It would be a cheap and effective way for a big back to compliment DMC.
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Hillis has some ability, but seems like an ego maniac.
Vet minimum.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
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Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
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He’s ready to compete for the back-up job. Nothing more.
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Just like Woodson Palmer will be cut to. TP will be the starter in 2013.
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Yeah, you think so?
You think they will cut Palmer?
Not!
Palmer will restructure. They will reach some kind of happy median both sides can handle.
I don’t think any other team is prepared to pay him 7-10 million, let alone 13. He will realize this and sign for 5 to 7.
If Pryor starts we will be flirting with 4-12 again.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Al only drafted 3 first round QB’s going back to Wilson, if I’m not mistaken. 4, if you goback to Dickey in the late sixties.
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Dickey, Wilson, Marinovich, Russell. Yep.
What a cluster fuuuuk.
2 druggies out of 4. smh.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
I thought TP looked pretty good on that double pass thing in Carolina. I would expect to see more plays like that, then him trying to convert 3rd and 9’s from the pocket.
Seriously, how can Knapp be so damn inept, and then come up with that beauty?
Most have been Saunders or something.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
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Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
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He’s ready to compete for the back-up job. Nothing more.
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Just like Woodson Palmer will be cut to. TP will be the starter in 2013.
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Yeah, you think so?
You think they will cut Palmer?
Not!
Palmer will restructure. They will reach some kind of happy median both sides can handle.
I don’t think any other team is prepared to pay him 7-10 million, let alone 13. He will realize this and sign for 5 to 7.
If Pryor starts we will be flirting with 4-12 again.
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It’s a rebuilding year. Keeping Palmer is pointless. You say 4-12 with Pryor? Ok with Palmer 3-13.
I would say at least 8-8 with Pryor and Raiders sell a whole lot more tickets..$$
I see a continuation of Pryor’s 3 for 3 in the redzone. Build on that=REBUILDING
February 15th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Gifted, privileged, catered too, AHOLE.
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Both Drew’s, are not at all liked amongst MLB clubhouses.
Bonds was a major douche at times, I seen some things that really ticked me off, but he always had at least one or two allies/lackeys in his corner.
The Drew’s? Not so much.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Marks hair Says:
There is no missing piece. We are way off. we need to cut everybody with a big salary. Only bring in cheeps. Its a rebuild. Might as well save for next yr. Try for clowney and some prime fa’s.
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Just don’t care how you spin it or how good you think your rationale is, anything other than trying to win right fricking now and next week makes you a loser. And you’d be good with it. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RaidO Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Really sucks that we didn’t get Kap.
If you ask me, it’s going to be Luck, Kap and (if he recovers) RG3 as the elite QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Brees are right now. Rodgers will likely be in that conversation as well for awhile as he’s several years younger than the other three.
Amazing the league-wide depth at QB right now. A few years ago and it felt like maybe there were like 5 QBs you could win it all with. Now there are probably 20. Maybe more.
———————–
Kap would be being put through the same crap has TP right now. Guys on this blog would be saying “he’s not ready” “Let Palmer groom him” Blah blah blah….
TP is ready!
Let’s see what TP can do first then talk about all the “should of got Kap” stuff
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He’s ready to compete for the back-up job. Nothing more.
—————–
Just like Woodson Palmer will be cut to. TP will be the starter in 2013.
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Yeah, you think so?
You think they will cut Palmer?
Not!
Palmer will restructure. They will reach some kind of happy median both sides can handle.
I don’t think any other team is prepared to pay him 7-10 million, let alone 13. He will realize this and sign for 5 to 7.
If Pryor starts we will be flirting with 4-12 again.
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It’s a rebuilding year. Keeping Palmer is pointless. You say 4-12 with Pryor? Ok with Palmer 3-13.
I would say at least 8-8 with Pryor and Raiders sell a whole lot more tickets..$$
I see a continuation of Pryor’s 3 for 3 in the redzone. Build on that=REBUILDING
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You’d better remind the coaches of that. Because if they had any thoughts about Pryor making that huge leap to starter, then he probably would’ve hit the field a lot sooner than week 17.
Not saying I agree with it. I was screaming about playing Pryor after the playoffs were gone. But they didn’t until the last minute, and really kind of screwed themselves because of it.
So I can’t see them getting hasty and cutting Palmer now.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Bonds was a major douche at times, I seen some things that really ticked me off, but he always had at least one or two allies/lackeys in his corner.
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Respect for His game will allow for a few. I get that.
The Drew’s sound like spoiled biatches. NO Game, No Names.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I don’t blame our coaches for not playing TP, I blame the front office.
What did they think leaking to the media all this tough talk about DA was going to do?
He tried like hell to win every game he could, to keep his job.
A simple quote along the lines of DA’s job is not at stake this last month, would have had TP playing a helluva lot sooner.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Seriously, how can Knapp be so damn inept, and then come up with that beauty?
Most have been Saunders or something.
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He did that every week. 2 or 3 creative plays that worked and then he’d go back to what didn’t.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Marks hair Says:
There is no missing piece. We are way off. we need to cut everybody with a big salary. Only bring in cheeps. Its a rebuild. Might as well save for next yr. Try for clowney and some prime fa’s.
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Just don’t care how you spin it or how good you think your rationale is, anything other than trying to win right fricking now and next week makes you a loser. And you’d be good with it. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
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You’re right. Trying to win RIGHT NOW makes you a loser.
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
At some point you have to stand back and get control of the situation, and replenish the talent through drafting. Patchwork will not work here.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Bonds did my family a solid though, letting my cousin write an unauthorized book on him and not suing him or going ape about it.
He even gave it a very, very subtle thumbs up during the season.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:48 pm
I don’t blame our coaches for not playing TP, I blame the front office.
What did they think leaking to the media all this tough talk about DA was going to do?
He tried like hell to win every game he could, to keep his job.
A simple quote along the lines of DA’s job is not at stake this last month, would have had TP playing a helluva lot sooner.
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This is not the same over-controlling front office.
McKenzie actually lets the coaches coach. It’s on the staff.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
It’s possible to at least entertain the possibility of being good in 2013.
The defense will continue the momentum of the latter part of 2012.
The offense will get back to 2011 form with the reversion to the power scheme allowing DMAC to double his production and the offense in general to drastically improve.
We’ll rebuild..but win while were doing it.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Todd could have been good, but…
February 15th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says: Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
After reading the intervening posts, EnglandRaider may still not get the Kap/Pryor timeline.
What is that Purvis?
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Pryor wasn’t available until after Kap had been drafted and no one even knew if he was going to apply for the supplemental draft. You asked why Al would’ve wanted Pryor had he already had Kap. If you want to speculate that Al indeed wanted Kap(not known) and that he was prescient enough to know Pryor was going to ask to be in the sup. draft and also allowed to by the NFL(also not known) and that Al intended to draft Pryor intending to convert him to wide receiver, well, then, speculate to your hearts content. But that’s a lot of speculation.
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We know that Prior wasn’t available until the supplemental draft.
The argument was whether Al would have preferred Kaepernick or Prior or at least that is what I was talking about.
Most commentators that I read said that Al was going after Kaepernick.
What I said was that why would Al want be concerned about going after Prior if he already had Kaepernick in mind before the whiners traded up.
I still think that the only reason Al had for drafting Prior was to convert him to receiver.
That’s a lot of speculation?
And speculation is frowned upon on this blog.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
It’s possible to at least entertain the possibility of being good in 2013.
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Yup, upgrade at QB and we are right in the thick of it for the division.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
If CWood re-signs with us, he’ll get turf toe within the week.
Fact.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
I realize I sound like i’ve either lost my mind or am being a hopeless pollyanna, but i haven’t seen anything yet that shows digression.
Knapp is gone. I like the direction of the offense..at least what they’re saying. I think Reggie will get us some decent FA’s to compliment the good draft upcoming.
I haven’t seen anything to be really negative about….yet.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Let’s get Billy Joe Hobert to right this ship!
Then we can bring the old track team back together
Rocket Ismail, James Jett, Timmy Brown and Alexander “if loving you is wrong I don’t want to be Wright”. That should fix this offense along with Nap Kaufman.
February 15th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says: Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
After reading the intervening posts, EnglandRaider may still not get the Kap/Pryor timeline.
What is that Purvis?
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Pryor wasn’t available until after Kap had been drafted and no one even knew if he was going to apply for the supplemental draft. You asked why Al would’ve wanted Pryor had he already had Kap. If you want to speculate that Al indeed wanted Kap(not known) and that he was prescient enough to know Pryor was going to ask to be in the sup. draft and also allowed to by the NFL(also not known) and that Al intended to draft Pryor intending to convert him to wide receiver, well, then, speculate to your hearts content. But that’s a lot of speculation.
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We know that Prior wasn’t available until the supplemental draft.
The argument was whether Al would have preferred Kaepernick or Prior or at least that is what I was talking about.
Most commentators that I read said that Al was going after Kaepernick.
What I said was that why would Al want be concerned about going after Prior if he already had Kaepernick in mind before the whiners traded up.
I still think that the only reason Al had for drafting Prior was to convert him to receiver.
That’s a lot of speculation?
And speculation is frowned upon on this blog.
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Al got Pryor for QB plain and simple. 4.36 40-yard dash time. Have you seen Pryor’s deep ball? People talk about Pryor’s throwing but one thing he does well is throw the deep ball. Who loved the “deep ball” style offense= Al Davis
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Billy Joe Hobert was another rookie year, week 17 legend.
3 TD’s no turnovers, like 115 QBR.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Just don’t care how you spin it or how good you think your rationale is, anything other than trying to win right fricking now and next week makes you a loser. And you’d be good with it. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
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Trying to Win right now is a given with regard to how a Coach and Players think.
It should be.
I’m down.
As an organization, I believe that the “higher up’s” have to be a bit more circumspect in the evaluation of the Roster, Salary cap, and Potentialities for the upcomming season and beyond.
That means to me, that you don’t shoot for the moon with respect to FA’s in an attempt to WIN NOW, if you understand critically, that the Team is not quite there.
As Knapp would say….Patience….lol
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
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Post SB thru 2010, a case could be made. twenty years is hyperbole.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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That makes no sense.
You do realize the supplemental draft is after the regular draft, and both players were drafted in 2011?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Biggest loser ever is further hyperbole.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
Woodson joined a Raiders team fresh from a 4-12 season before his arrival. They were in the playoffs three seasons later, with Woodson playing a huge role at cornerback.
Naturally, the Raiders were 4-12 last season, too, and seem just as far away from being a legitimate contender as they were when Woodson first joined the Raiders.
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Ummm…. The Raiders are A LOT farther away now then the 4-12 season before Woodson arrived IMO.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Don’t think he gets it, O. Forget it.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Billy Joe Hobert was another rookie year, week 17 legend.
3 TD’s no turnovers, like 115 QBR.
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good memory, I had high hopes for the kid out of Washington.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Bonds did my family a solid though, letting my cousin write an unauthorized book on him and not suing him or going ape about it.
He even gave it a very, very subtle thumbs up during the season.
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Very Cool.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Corky could care less about this blog, bring back Jerry.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
What up JFB?
Back from my trip of drunken debauchery and degenerate gambling. LMAO
Not really but I did learn alot, had some fun and actually hit 3 out of 4 twice.
Shoulda took Cal, UNLV sucks, and NM needed to hit a free throw. LOL
There are no sure bets that is for sure. Thanks for your help It was fun and Football is gonna be a lot more interesting next season. I got big plans.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Al Davis drafted Prior.
Most people seem to think that Al Davis fully intentioned to draft Kaepernick.
Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?
A good guess would be that he wanted him to convert to receiver.
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That makes no sense.
You do realize the supplemental draft is after the regular draft, and both players were drafted in 2011?
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So Al wanted CK but he wasn’t available, so he drafted TP in the sup draft
I’m not racist but I rather start TP why can score 3 TDs in one game against SD and makes less than $1 million over a guy who had 0 TDs against KC and makes $13-15 million especially since our cap situation is messy and we lack talent at many positions.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
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Post SB thru 2010, a case could be made. twenty years is hyperbole.
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Go back and look at the nineties.
Sure, they had a run in there but for the most part it’s not much of an exageration.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
When reading Olsen’s transcript I am led to believe Myers will not be retained.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Who* can score …..
February 15th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
*Olson
February 15th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
If we can have AND if Cwood is amenable to it, come back and retire a Raider for a year, then get Aso back, along with Cromartie, now we have very good to Lock Down Corners – Next year we can draft another stud CB, this year we draft D-Line and find some guards with our compensatory picks, then draft a R Tackle with our 6th Round.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Don’t think he gets it, O. Forget it.
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Never allow the facts don’t interfere with your argument.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Where’s the Raider blog?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
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Post SB thru 2010, a case could be made. twenty years is hyperbole.
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Go back and look at the nineties.
Sure, they had a run in there but for the most part it’s not much of an exageration.
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seven seasons in a row of at least 11 losses and he says “a case could be made”
You really are an optimist aren’t you.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Billy Joe Hobert was another rookie year, week 17 legend.
3 TD’s no turnovers, like 115 QBR.
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What year was that?
February 15th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
So he said” Why would Al want to draft Kaepernick when he already had Prior?”, but he knows that both players were drafted in 2011, and he knows the sup draft is after the regular draft?!
That makes no sense. I see Llama man and NG were trying to help.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Billy Joe Hobert was another rookie year, week 17 legend.
3 TD’s no turnovers, like 115 QBR.
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What year was that?
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I believe it was the year you turned 70, like 20 years ago.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Don’t think he gets it, O. Forget it.
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Oh, I get it dikhed.
But I’m really sick of talking to a fuk’n jackazz like you.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
It’s not much of a challenge to run down all the reasons we are gonna suck in 2013…it’s easy.
All the pundits agree.
Not difficult.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
1995 vs Broncos. Hobert 11-19, 133 yds 3 TD’s no Ints. So that means Pryor will be a failure, period. Lol spinmeister.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
It’s not much of a challenge to run down all the reasons we are gonna suck in 2013…it’s easy.
All the pundits agree.
Not difficult.
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I don’t KNOW that we will suck in 2013.
I’m always optimistic about such things.
I’d just stay away from old Guys in FA that want a lot of $$$, and I’d get rid of under performing contracts.
From there I’d take a look at the landscape and better access where we’re at.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
guys,
Luck, RG3, Wilson, and Kap are all legit. Kap threw for over 300 yds in the SB. I am thankful the Niners OC was too dumb to run him in on that last drive. years from now, this past QB class will go down as one of the best class ever. Trust me.
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Kap is not in the same class. He was part of the 2011 class, and Wilson, RG3, and Luck were drafted in 2012.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Woodson will likely be a Patriot or Bronco.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
ESETERIK78 Says:
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
seven seasons in a row of at least 11 losses and he says “a case could be made”
You really are an optimist aren’t you.
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For the biggest loser ever(your words). and I think the rams and Detroit were right there with us.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
1995, the year we started 8-2 only to finish 8-8.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
Oh, I get it dikhed.
But I’m really sick of talking to a fuk’n jackazz like you.
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I get it now, too. It’s the beginning of the Friday night trollfest, ‘cuz England’s not like that.
My bad for not picking up on the fact that England is not that dense.
By the way, time to masturbate with some one else’s handle ‘cuz it’s 2:30 in the morning in England, where he actually is,and he doesn’t post here at this time of day.
You’ll need both hands to change handles.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Raider O. see post 306.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:02 pm
Don’t think he gets it, O. Forget it.
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Oh, I get it dikhed.
But I’m really sick of talking to a fuk’n jackazz like you
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The exact time this conversation went into the shvtter. Freakin trolls suck. That is probably how you normally spell dikhed too loser.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Why in the hell would anyone waste thier time using someone elses handle? That is weak sauce.
Get a life and stop ruining what has been an otherwise good forum for a switch.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
The nineties weren’t as bad as some represent them to be;
1990 12 wins
1991 9 wins
1992 7 wins
1993 10 wins
1994 9 wins
1995 8 wins
1996 7 wins
1997 4 wins
1998 8 wins
1999 8 wins
82 victories
in the ’80’s? 89 victories
February 15th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
ESETERIK78, 310 was for you.
February 15th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I like Pryor. I’d love for him to do well.
But let me ask you guys who want to jettison Palmer and start TP6 this: What’s your plan if Pryor bombs. I mean, falls totally flat on his face and we’re like 0-5 and averaging 10 ppg.
Because you realize it’s a real possibility, right?
The kid is 0-1 and completed 13 of 28 passes in his one start. He did some nice things. I’m not trying to rip on him. But he lost and at the end of the day had pretty poor passing numbers against a bad team with nothing to play for. Again, not saying he can’t get it done. But I’m not saying he can either. It’s a helluva roll of the dice at this point.
I guess you could throw him out there and hope he’s either good enough to lead us to the playoffs and beyond, or bad enough that we wind up with the No. 1 pick in 2014 and can draft a Teddy Bridgewater to be our QB
February 15th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
The exact time this conversation went into the shvtter. Freakin trolls suck. That is probably how you normally spell dikhed too loser.
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And I was the lucky winner. I feel so fortunate. What’d I win?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
I like Pryor. I’d love for him to do well.
But let me ask you guys who want to jettison Palmer and start TP6 this: What’s your plan if Pryor bombs. I mean, falls totally flat on his face and we’re like 0-5 and averaging 10 ppg.
Because you realize it’s a real possibility, right?
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Then we draft a QB. Palmer may only win 6-7 games himself.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
The nineties weren’t as bad as some represent them to be;
1990 12 wins
1991 9 wins
1992 7 wins
1993 10 wins
1994 9 wins
1995 8 wins
1996 7 wins
1997 4 wins
1998 8 wins
1999 8 wins
82 victories
in the ’80’s? 89 victories
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Really? How many playoff/SB wins in the 1990s?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:19 pm
Jim,
Glad you could enjoy it, if you can bet college hoops, football is pretty easy relatively speaking (the betting part, not the winning).
Next step up, is baseball. Run Lines and round robin’s.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
1995 vs Broncos. Hobert 11-19, 133 yds 3 TD’s no Ints. So that means Pryor will be a failure, period. Lol spinmeister.
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NO, doesn’t mean he will be a failure, but it is an example of a young QB not really getting any better.
Lots of QB’s that flame out after 10-15 games, had a pretty good game in their first couple.
League picks up on tendencies.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
Chris in NY Says:
I like Pryor. I’d love for him to do well.
But let me ask you guys who want to jettison Palmer and start TP6 this: What’s your plan if Pryor bombs. I mean, falls totally flat on his face and we’re like 0-5 and averaging 10 ppg.
Because you realize it’s a real possibility, right?
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That’s the problem. If Pryor were to pass better than, equal to, or even just a little worse than Palmer, fine, you go with Pryor ‘cuz he does bring another dimension as well.
Whether you keep Palmer or sign a cheaper QB is still a tough choice.
If, however, Pryor’s not really close but good enough that they decide to run the read option, pistol, whatever, then you have to cut Palmer and try to find or draft a QB with similar skills to step in when Pryor gets hurt running. Hard to make that determination before the draft.
I prefer play action, down the field Raider football.
I’d love it if our QB was nimble enough to pick up the occasional first down running and that ain’t Palmer, barring a defensive gaffe. But I think he is such a good pocket passer that he makes up for it.
And he’s not the statue with no pocket awareness the haters claim he is.
I could go on and on but I already have.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
C.Woodson likely could be the Rod Woodson of the defense. But would the cap number be a bit too high?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
Purvis makes the point that we weren’t that awful in the 90’s and then he gets attacked for daring to say something positive about the history of our organization.
I don’t understand that. Why would Raider fans get upset and want to discredit our teams history?
It doesn’t make sense to me. Not just discredit it but get mad about it.
No offense but it seems like an argument we’d have with a bronco fan or something.
Why is it important for “fans” to argue AGAINST the team?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Woodson will likely be a Patriot or Bronco.
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They need to get younger in the secondary, not older.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Raider O. see post 306.
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Good point.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Maybe the next topic can be the 1980 SB and u guys can have at it how we got lucky to win that one. Maybe how Jaws outplayed Plunkett or something.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
Why is it important for “fans” to argue AGAINST the team?
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Not to but into something here, but throughout the season there wasn’t anyone any more negative and full of spite then you were.
Granted the season sucked, but you weren’t exactly a sunny walk in the park to deal with.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Chico:
Than: Conjunction
Introducing the second element in a comparison: “he was smaller than his son”; “Jack knows more than I do”.
Used in expressions introducing an exception or contrast: “he claims not to own anything other than his home”.
Then: Adverb
At that time; at the time in question: “I was living in Cairo then”; “by then I was exhausted”; “Adams, the then president”.
After that; next; afterward: “she won the first and then the second game”.
Synonyms
afterwards – next – after – at that time
February 15th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
I choose to let my alzheimer’s handle which one I will use.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
The nineties weren’t as bad as some represent them to be;
1990 12 wins
1991 9 wins
1992 7 wins
1993 10 wins
1994 9 wins
1995 8 wins
1996 7 wins
1997 4 wins
1998 8 wins
1999 8 wins
82 victories
in the ’80’s? 89 victories
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This looks great to today’s Internet crowds of the Midwest.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Evening P-Man, JFB, R-Sam, DJJ, O, Jesus, Ohio and everyone, even Kell!
Hope you all are doing well this evening.
P-Man, thanks for the repost of a previous post after I signed-out the other night.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
It’s all good Chico. I was just trying to help.
What happened with the CPA?
February 15th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Good evening Scourge.
February 15th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Always trying to mock Midwest people.
Any shots at our Midwestern president from Podunk?
February 15th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Oooooohweeeeeeee, the Raider’s record of the 90’s wasn’t soooo bad. Why do fans so miserable.
Smh.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
CFA…not sure if I am going to take the first test this July or December.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
“How could that be true when the line underwent only subtle changes ….”.
There’s really no such thing as a line change that’s “subtle.”
February 15th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
CFA*….. My bad.
Good luck with that.
I wonder if I can take the exam without experience with an investment firm.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Raiders Super Bowl in 84, let’s say you really had to be like 8 years old to REALLY enjoy watching that, makes you 37 years old now.
What percentage of fans who attend home games do you think are 37 and under?
I will go with 53%.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
I think you might be able to take the test(s), but after you pass THEN you have to go through this application/ethics thing that requires you have a certain level of experience amongst other things to actually get the CFA designation.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:23 pm
LOL Chico
Thanks for the Information bro. I think I’m more interested in an MBA at this time.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
JFB,
I’m talking about ripping on the teams history and accomplishments.
I was all over this team during the season out of disappointment. I still refer to the defense we put out there as a “pos” unit in 2010 and 2011.
I’m talking about the dire outlook everyone has for 2013 when I see so many things to be optimistic about as well as this stuff of trying to discredit the POSITIVE aspects of our history and the effort of some to turn every aspect of it into crap. It wasn’t. I don’t understand the motives of those who do that.
I fully admit during the games too i’m a total knee jerk loudmouth, cuz i’m ticked my team is playing like crap.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Oooooohweeeeeeee, the Raider’s record of the 90’s wasn’t soooo bad. Why do fans so miserable.
Smh.
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Why do “fans’ feel the need to discredit every aspect of our history? Smh.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
It’s funny how when people mention young Qb’s they always mention Luck,RG3,Wilson and Kap but Forget to mention Ryan Tannehill he will ball out next year he played pretty darn well with absolutely no weapons at all if Miami gets him some targets which I’m sure they will look out he’s gonna be a really good and he is very mobile he played WR his first 2 years at A&M
February 15th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
You’re stupid & delusional, this guy has always been over rated and couldn’t cover a turtle..He is wayyyyy passed his prime and was never good unless he was used in a scheme which GB did
February 15th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
If this is coming from the fact we didn’t win anything significant in the 90’s than I understand that.
Maybe I misunderstood the debate.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:35 pm
Johnny,
Wasn’t picking a fight or anything, but your off season persona is much more pleasant than your in-season one was, lol.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Wasn’t picking a fight or anything, but your off season persona is much more pleasant than your in-season one was, lol.
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You noticed that too? lol
February 15th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Are you both lovers?, just askin
February 15th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Oooooohweeeeeeee, the Raider’s record of the 90’s wasn’t soooo bad. Why do fans so miserable.
Smh.
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Why do “fans’ feel the need to discredit every aspect of our history? Smh.
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You never hear me discredit the 60′ 70′ 80’s. but then again I could never go back as far as you people.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
I look at things now a little differently. At this point, i just wanna get back to respectability and see that as a major accomplshment from where we’ve been.
Getting out of ‘joke status’ is a step forward.
Some of you guys are more of if we don’t win the big one than it’s bascially a failed season.
I look at the 90’s as an era when we weren’t a punchline…which is alot better than what we’ve got right now..or what we’ve had.
Of course I want the ultimate…the SB…but i can be happy RIGHT NOW with just being respectable and getting to the playoffs..if we can do that.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Wasn’t picking a fight or anything, but your off season persona is much more pleasant than your in-season one was, lol.
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You noticed that too? lol
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I’ll take that as a compliment. Lol.
I’ll wait till the season starts before I turn into a total dik.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Take this to another blog, pretty sad you’re airing your intimate quarrels on here..
February 15th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Shoot, I think i’ve said that the entire team team should go shoot themselves in the stadium parking lot ….on more than one occasion.
It’s the offseason though. A time of hope and promise.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Raider O Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Wasn’t picking a fight or anything, but your off season persona is much more pleasant than your in-season one was, lol.
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You noticed that too? lol
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I’ll take that as a compliment. Lol.
I’ll wait till the season starts before I turn into a total dik.
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Good.
I’m not sold on thie GM/ HC.
Last year, DA said he believes in the ZBS and that was his preference. A year later he hires a new OC with a different Scheme.
Seymour’s contract and signing FA OG MB were mistakes by the GM that will cost the team more than $17 million in dead money this year (assuming both players are gone).
Reducing seats is another weak move by this org IMO.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
The*
February 15th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
I saw Chris in NY had MM34 as his #3 offseason FA priority list, and had Andre Carter #10 or so.
Crazy-talk.
“Missile” Mike is average at one thing, blitzing, and complete dog crap in everything else.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
According to Walter Football, “4. My Chiefs’ source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City’s first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it’s still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility. “.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
Woodson? Woodson? Hey no.
Olson sounds like a sharp cat. He’s gonna make DA look like he grew a pair. Reggie puttin a good staff together means he’s gonna put good players too.
Reg/DA gettin it together. Ever since they got banned from IHOP they been taken care of bizness. IGAG is banned from IHOP too.
Nice boggin today. Today was a good blod day. OAKGLEN, mean IGAG, feels good about that. Fo sho.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Kansas City Chiefs: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Scott Pioli was fired, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, and he’s been replaced by Andy Reid and his staff. The question is whether Reid will take a shot on a quarterback or go the safe route with Luke Joeckel.
Chris Mortensen said a couple of weeks ago that he expects Joeckel to be the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, but has a feeling that Reid will select a quarterback – which means he expects him to trade down. I agree with Mort. I’m not sure about the moving down part – Kansas City will sure as hell try – but here’s why Geno Smith will be the pick, barring any big acquisition in free agency:
1. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, and if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Smith. Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles’ head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid’s offense.
2. ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da’Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Matt Barkley or Mike Glennon. We’ll see. Three months is a long time.
3. Think no one believes Smith is worth the No. 1 pick? Think again. Anthony Gargano of 94 WIP in Philadelphia revealed that he spoke to a general manager who told him that he would draft Smith with the first-overall selection. This is just one general manager, but if one GM wants Smith that badly, then there’s a chance that several do. Smith has a ton of upside, so a quarterback-friendly coach like Reid might think he could coach him up to a Pro Bowl level.
4. My Chiefs’ source, who has a high success rate of delivering Kansas City’s first-round picks, told me Smith is currently the favorite to go No. 1 overall, but conceded that it’s still too early in the process. He said that the combination of Joeckel and Tyler Wilson is also a strong possibility.
FEB. 12 UPDATE: There’s a new caveat, which is Philadelphia’s restructuring of its mobile quarterback’s contract. Nick Foles is now likely to be traded. Andy Reid used a second-day selection on him last year, so I don’t see why he wouldn’t do that again (he may only have to deal his fourth-rounder). If Reid acquires Foles, he’ll draft Joeckel to protect him.
*** OTHER 2013 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Luke Joeckel, OT – If the Chiefs address the quarterback position via free agency or a trade, they’ll take Joeckel and then grab a young quarterback later. They’d like Tyler Wilson in Round 2 or E.J. Manuel in Round 3.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
I’d rather have high energy physical guys like Missile Mike, in football.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Jacksonville Jaguars: Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Chris Mortensen previously reported that Tim Tebow would be a Jaguar next year. Well, new general manager David Caldwell shot that down, telling the media he couldn’t imagine Tebow being on his roster. Caldwell went on to say that he plans to build around Blaine Gabbert. Yeah, the future looks very bright in Jacksonville.
I’d love to give the Jaguars a quarterback here, but there are none available. Caldwell can just get a signal-caller atop Round 2. Instead, he might take the top defensive player in the 2013 NFL Draft.
Tyson Alualu has been a major disappointment thus far, but the real reason why Star Lotulelei makes sense is because Terrance Knighton will be a free agent in March. Jacksonville will obviously have big shoes to fill if it can’t retain him. Lotulelei is the type of big defensive tackle that Gus Bradley likes to have in his front.
*** OTHER 2013 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Damontre Moore or Bjoern Werner, DE – Lotulelei is the best player available, but the Jaguars may want to address the defensive end position if they re-sign nose tackle Terrance Knighton. Doing so won’t rule out Lotulelei though.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:58 pm
Oakland Raiders: Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
The Raiders really missed Kamerion Wimbley. There’s a reason only the Jaguars had fewer sacks in the NFL this year. Oakland needs to find a legitimate pass-rusher. This is a situation in which the top player available aligns with a huge need.
Damontre Moore said earlier that he planned on returning to school, but he officially changed his mind recently after learning that he was close to being a top-five lock with a shot at going as high as No. 2 to Jacksonville.
*** OTHER 2013 NFL DRAFT POSSIBILITIES: ***
1. Star Lotulelei, DT – I’ll be shocked if Star Loutlelei makes it past the Raiders. They’re so desperate for defensive tackle help, and he’d be the top player available.
2. Geno Smith, QB – There’s been speculation that the Raiders have taken a liking to Geno Smith. If the Chiefs pass on him, another AFC West team could draft him.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Tyler Wilson??
Wow, that can’t be a possibility.
He reminds me some of IR’GIII, in that when he gets hit, it just looks worse THAN when other QB’s get hit.
You can’t go through too many of those car-crashes before you get punchy.
February 15th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Draft options:
1- Star
2- Moore
3- trade down
February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I posted the Raiders record during the nineties in response to ESETERIK78 who included the nineties in The Raiders being the biggest losers ever, and I believe that record is not even close to that description.
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ESETERIK78 Says:
You’re right. Trying to win RIGHT NOW makes you a loser.
Davis tried that for the last twenty years, and became the biggest loser ever.
At some point you have to stand back and get control of the situation, and replenish the talent through drafting. Patchwork will not work here.
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Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
Post SB thru 2010, a case could be made. twenty years is hyperbole.
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ESETERIK78 Says:
Go back and look at the nineties.
Sure, they had a run in there but for the most part it’s not much of an exageration.
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Well I think it’s a he11 of an exaggeration.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Just like people loved Aaron Curry’s “high energy”.
Soon as he leaves here…….his career is over.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I’m concerned about DA as well and one of the main things is that switch to the zbs and him being so committed to it. He was adamant it was the way to go. He’d get pizzed at the mere suggestion it was the wrong move.
Now…complete switcharoo.
I don’t understand now saying they’re gonna put guys in the best position to be successful. It seems to be such an obvious thing to do.
I’m just hoping DA realizes that major gaffe and won’t repeat it.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
Good evening, Scourge.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
WF has Asnah going 6th to Cleveland.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Captain America.
4th best movie ever. EVER!!!
Remember when the raiders had the highest team payroll? Anybody know where they ranked last year of all the teams?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
I think DA is an idiot and he is no M Tomlin even though they had similar careers/ results before they were promoted to HC.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
363, Purvis, The 90’s were far from being biggest losers ever. Not even close. Wow.
If the standard is SB wins or appearences..then yes..it wasn’t our best decade but there’s a huge difference between biggest losers ever and SB winners.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
PFF’s ranking of our FA’s.
Myers dead last, worst blocking TE in football.
MM34 negative ranking. Desmond Bryant 2nd highest behind Shane.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/01/01/free-agents-oakland-raiders/
February 15th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Chico,
What about Wheeler and Shoughnessy?
February 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
2011 Raiders were 15th in salary, 2012 we were 12th.
http://www.osmguy.com/2012/09/2012-nfl-salaries-by-team/
February 15th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Just a reminder that he’s out there and bored.
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Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
Oh, I get it dikhed.
But I’m really sick of talking to a fuk’n jackazz like you.
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I get it now, too. It’s the beginning of the Friday night trollfest, ‘cuz England’s not like that.
My bad for not picking up on the fact that England is not that dense.
By the way, time to masturbate with some one else’s handle ‘cuz it’s 2:30 in the morning in England, where he actually is,and he doesn’t post here at this time of day.
You’ll need both hands to change handles.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Wheeler really good, Shoughnessy really bad
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Wow.
-11.6 for Shownasty.
Tsk tsk tsk
February 15th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I’m concerned about DA as well and one of the main things is that switch to the zbs and him being so committed to it. He was adamant it was the way to go. He’d get pizzed at the mere suggestion it was the wrong move.
Now…complete switcharoo.
I don’t understand now saying they’re gonna put guys in the best position to be successful. It seems to be such an obvious thing to do.
I’m just hoping DA realizes that major gaffe and won’t repeat it.
……………….
Agree. But let’s err on the side of optimism. Must a took some man balls to do the about face. Or maybe mark threatened to neuter him. Don’t know. Will see if there is egg on his face come camp time.
DA is learning my friend. DA is learning on the job.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
363, Purvis, The 90’s were far from being biggest losers ever. Not even close. Wow.
If the standard is SB wins or appearences..then yes..it wasn’t our best decade but there’s a huge difference between biggest losers ever and SB winners.
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Shouldn’t have posted the list without context.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
2009 Raiders were 12th, 2010 8th, 2011 15th, 2012 12th.
So truth is, Reggie didn;t go any real cheaper than Al had recently.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
Myers, Barnes, CC aka Savage, Shaughnessy, and Carter have negative rankings.
Why is Lechler ranked so high? His performance last season was avg.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Possible cap casualties: Veteran quarterback Carson Palmer is coming off a season where he passed for over 4,000 yards with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. According to Football Outsiders’ opponent-adjusted DYAR (Defense-adjusted Yards Above Replacement) metric, Palmer ranked 18th in 2012, one spot behind Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco, who could become one of the highest-paid players in the NFL this offseason. Unlike Flacco, who is entering his prime, Palmer is entering his mid-30s and the rebuilding Raiders may look to go with third-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor as they keep an eye quarterback options in the 2013 or 2014 NFL drafts. Palmer is scheduled to earn $13 million in cash and has a $15.335 million cap number. If released outright, the Raiders would gain $5.995 million in cap space in 2013, but could designate Palmer as a “post-June 1″ release and split the $9.340 million in signing bonus proration that remains over the next two seasons.
Another veteran who could face a “restructure or be released” proposition is Tommy Kelly, who had 1.5 sacks and turned 32 during the 2012 season. Kelly is due $6 million in 2013 and, thanks to previous restructures, has a cap number of $11,099,270. Releasing Kelly would clear $4.775 million in cap space. Additional cap relief will come from the safety position, where Michael Huff ($8 million) and Tyvon Branch ($9.5 million) comprise the highest-paid safety tandem in the NFL. As of Feb. 14, the Raiders have over $18 million committed to the safety position, $6 million more than the next closest team (Pittsburgh Steelers). Huff ($4 million) and Branch ($3.5 million) have roster bonuses due on March 14 that the Raiders will likely attempt to convert to signing bonuses and prorated to reduce cap numbers of $11.28875 million (Huff) and $10.9 million (Branch). Two former first-round picks – McFadden and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey – are due for contract restructures. McFadden is due $5,856,250 in base salary, while Heyward-Bey is will make $7.971 million and has a cap number of $10.601 million this season.
Unrestricted free agents
Khalif Barnes, OT
Desmond Bryant, DT
Cooper Carlisle, G
Andre Carter, DE
Omar Gaither, LB
Matt Giordano, S
Mike Goodson, RB
Derek Hagan, WR
Joselio Hanson, CB
Shane Lechler, P
Matt Leinart, QB
Mike Mitchell, S
Brandon Myers, TE
Richard Seymour, DT
Matt Shaughnessy, DE
Shawntae Spencer, CB
Phillip Wheeler, LB
Restricted free agents
Phillip Adams, CB
RFA tender amounts in 2013 are:
• $1.323 million for right of first refusal and/or original draft round compensation
• $2.023 for right of first refusal and second round draft selection
• $2.879 for right of first refusal and first round draft selection
Franchise Tag candidates: With his rookie contract expiring, Brandon Myers picked a great time to have a career season. The 2009 sixth-round pick out of Iowa had 32 receptions for 250 yards in his first 42 games in the NFL. In 2012, Myers led the Raiders with 79 receptions and 806 receiving yards, adding four touchdowns, which ranked third on the club, and ranked sixth among NFL tight ends in FO’s DYAR metric. Myers earned $1.94 million over his first four seasons in the NFL. Based on a projected league-wide cap number of $121.1 million, the franchise tag for tight ends would be worth $5.973 million in 2013.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
LOL at franchising Myers.
More likely a tender, if at all.
I would rather have Jared Cook.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Bjoern Werner at #3? Mock drafts are fun.
IGAG loves IHOP
February 15th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
My man Savage doesn’t grade out so well in run-blocking, but his pass-blocking was solid.
I think he will retire, but he might come back on a one-year deal and provide vet leadershp and depth at Guard.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
I want G Smith to be availability when we pick, but I don’t want to draft him.
Think of how many teams we can trade with:
- AZ 7th pick
- Buffalo 8th
- NY 9th
February 15th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Available*
February 15th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
2009 Raiders were 12th, 2010 8th, 2011 15th, 2012 12th.
So truth is, Reggie didn;t go any real cheaper than Al had recently.
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How many of those contracts did Reggie sign.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Star Lotulelei? Mock drafts are fun.
Draft the best defense guys out there. All defense in the draft.
Aquire offense they FA and trades.
Sign King.
IGAG says this is the best recipe for success.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Damontre Moore? We gonna have a good draft.
Ok. Now I am going to IHOP.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
IMO, I doubt both Star are Moore are going to get drafted in the top 2 picks. I think a team will trade up to draft G Smith in the top 2 picks, if he wasn’t drafted by KC.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
How could almost EVRYBODY on this blog be right about the offensive scheme switch BEFORE the season even started and the powers that be so wrong?
Now…they admit…”I guess you guys were right after all. We’ll go ahead and switch it back”.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
O, that’s where our chance to trade down comes in.
I really think Geno is going # 1 to KC though.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
IGAG, I thought you said you had been banned from IHOP?!
February 15th, 2013 at 9:38 pm
better than them sticking with knapp, or the zbs.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
If we are looking for the best trade compensation, we need Geno on the board.
Look at past drafts. You trade down a few spots in the top 10, and no QB is involved, and you get a 4th and some other late pick, pr maybe just a 3rd.
A QB is involved, and you get like two 1’s and a 2nd.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
The 3rd round supp pick could’ve been for Russell Wilson, all you do realize that I hope.
That should be whom Pryor will be measured against.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
I mean you see some of these trade downs from #5 to #7, for a 4th rounder, other things like that. Very, very boring.
Then you see what St. Louis got for RGIII, what the Jets gave up to get Sanchez.
The same draft as Sanchez, one team moved from #17 to #19 and got a 6th round pick. ZZZZZZZZ. Last year Tampa moved from #5 to #7 and got a measely 4th rounder out of it. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. Dallas traded up last year from #14 to #6 and only cost one 2nd rounder (mid 2nd rounder). Philly traded from #15 to #12 and it cost a 5th and a 6th.
I think people are greatly exaggerating what they think we will get in a trade down for someone like Joeckel or Star or maybe Werner/Moore.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:51 pm
Tampa last year moving from #5 to #7 and got a 4th out of it (#101 overall).
Later in the first round, Baltimore traded out of #29 to #35 and got a 4th, #98 overall!!!!!!
So trading down from #29 to #35 actually got more compensation than from #5 to #7.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Russell Wilson was taken 3 spots ahead of where we would have picked in the 3rd round.
The guy picked right after where we would have picked was TE Michael Egnew for Miami.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Ok that’s enough research for the night
Raider On
February 15th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Scourge Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:37 pm
IGAG, I thought you said you had been banned from IHOP?!
……..
I am. I sneak in. It’s a cat and mouse game I play. Sometimes I don’t get caught. I did a overnight in the star and bar when I did get caught. My PD gets fckn pissedd at me.
February 15th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Geno gives us alot of bargaining chips if KC doesn’t take him.
Best scenario is his stock rises to the point some team really wants him bad…but for whatever reason KC passes on him. Best hope might be KC gets their QB via trade or FA acquisition.
Or…if the hype reaches fever pitch enough…with all these little rumors here and there about Reggies interest…who knows.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
IGAG, if you see the Beeech Diggs on the way to IHOP, say hello for me.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
February 15th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
:pootbutt:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
oh, well…
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Just fire, I know you are correct on the trade costs I’m just hoping, we get a 2nd when we trade down.
We really need Geno, Matt, and Ryan to step up at the combine; they could exceed expectations, it only takes one GM/owner to become enamored with a qb, Ponder and Locker each went higher than projected.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Hey Scourge. What’s happenin’?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
DJJ, not too much at this end. Reading up on the blog, reading a book when it’s reload time, getting ready for some shut-eye.
How’s it at your end?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
We could’ve an would’ve moved up to draft Wilson, our pick on Bergstrom was immovable/unable to trade; all compensatory picks are.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Star or trade down to gain a 2nd or another 3rd.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
February 15th, 2013 at 10:35 pm
My draft board:
1- Warmack – will be an allpro
2- Joeckel
3- Fisher- either tackle works for me, Howie Long’s son may not be there in the third round.
4- Moore we need best pass rush specialist that’s healthy
5- Star -we draft him must commit to 3-4
6- Werner or Jones
7- Geno especially if we cut Palmer- Pryor & Smith compete for the number one starting job
February 15th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
hey
is there an emoticon you’re actually trying to post with pootbutt? I can definetely picture a couple. Even without animation.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
All good Scourge. Soaking up all the good Raider vibes…sort of.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
The 3rd round supp pick could’ve been for Russell Wilson, all you do realize that I hope.
That should be whom Pryor will be measured against.
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Most peopel wouldn’t believe this now because of the success that Wilson has had so far while Pryor is essentially an unknown. But I don’t think Russell Wilson is even close to the kind of QB Pryor can be. That is based on several things that Pryor has over Wilson. Pryor’s game is much more suited for the pro-game than Wilson’s.
Russ is only 5′11″ and has a decent arm nothing special he is smart an athletic but has issues reading the defense downfield from the pocket. Pryor is 6′6″ which allows him to see the field from the pocket make easy reads. Pryor had to learn how to go through his processions true. But so did Wilson, very few pundits held that Wilson would be able to read defenses and execute from the pocket and to a certain extent they were right he has to move his feet to see between the lanes. He often has to escape to see downfield. With Pryor who’s arm is actually stronger than Wilson’s can make throws downfield from the pocket and when he escapes is a threat to take it the distance. Wilson has to buy time to throw because he cannot see and doesn’t have the footspeed to outrun a secondary. He has tp use his quickness to escape and allude rushers then get the ball off. Pryor has as much qucikness and much more speed to get to the endzone. He has a sstronger arm to get the ball downfield to deep rec’s. Bothe have great touch on their passes and throw a catchable ball. Pryor is just physically more gifted and just as capable in all other areas.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Scourge Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
IGAG, if you see the Beeech Diggs on the way to IHOP, say hello for me.
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Whatever happened to Beeech?
February 15th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
P=man, nah, just havin’ some fun.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
DJ, dunno, it’s been a few weeks since we heard from him. As I read through the posts, I keep expecting him to decloak and tell Kell he’s (KK) a moron but Ian seems to do a good job of that.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Priest’s up late tonight it seems.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
As far as Kaepernick and Pryor it’s a matter of preference. Kaepernick throws the ball very hard with a lot of velocity. Pryor throws a much more catchable ball has a lot more loft and touch on his deep ball as well as for fades and seam passes. He makes it much easier to catch his pass out of the backsfield than Kappy.
I said this when we got Pryor that he is the better of the two based on his ability to throw the a more catchable ball in all areas of tgeh field than kappy. While Kappy can get it past a DB in a tight window just with ballspeed. Pryor can anticipate much better than Kappy. He throws the ball on time better than kappy. Kappy will wait until a rec’r sees the balll before he throws it while Pryor will lead his rec’s and throw him open. But are just as accurate as the other neither is a pinpoint passer but both can get it there so the play can be made.
Pryor is bigger and stronger and faster than Kappy and even quicker the difference is Pryor had to come from further in their development to get to where they are now. Pryor needs the reps that Kappy got last year to do the same kinds of things. I wrote these same comments long before anyone knew about Kappy and his first ever start and I stand by them now.
If I had a chance to draft both QB’s I would take Pryor over Kappy but if I had were to not get Pryor I would love Kaepernick as a consulation prize. Pryor is absolutely lethal he just needs an opportnity to prove it…………period
There are only two QB’s I would take over Pryor, RG3 and Luck and I said this before any of them were drafted.
February 15th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
P-man, I know what the urbandictionary defines pootbutt as, but I’m not sure if you’re thinking about smiley-type emoticons or some of those thinker-on-the-throne things you posted a while ago during an exchange with Mr.Green (?). What have you been imagining in that devious mind of yours?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
7- Geno especially if we cut Palmer- Pryor & Smith compete for the number one starting job
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Unless Pryor actually competes well with Palmer in his passing game which I don’t see this year, if we decide to go that way we’d kind of have to cut Palmer and Geno would make perfect sense.
I’d rather stay with a play action, vertical game and let Pryor take #2 snaps to improve that part of his game and see where we are in a year.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
I touched my laptops power cord and it went bye bye(no battery). Had to fire it back up.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Scourge, the stinker wasn’t mine.
posted it, but I did copy paste and run with it. Nobody here and too many beers.
No, I could see an emoticon butt. A couple even.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
Scourge Says:
Priest’s up late tonight it seems.
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And shouldn’t be with the observations he’s making in the last comment.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
People who look at that first start by Pryor and conclude that is who he is. Are in for a rude awakening. I was somewhat disappointed in his performance in some respects because he didn’t cut it loose the way he can. He wasn’t nearly as decisive as he should’ve been and to be honest I cannot blame him. But many look at the way he threw it and think that is what he wil always be. He was way too careful with the ball aiming it instead of throwing it. He didn’t put his amr into his throws he was trying to place the ball instead of pass it.
He was trying to be too perfect and complete every ball. He can and he will be much better as he gets more comfortable with the NFL game. His talent was not shown in that game he held back way too much. But you’ll see a very different players in preseason a more confident player who’s ready to get it done………….period
February 15th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Priest, out of curiosity, why “Priest,” if you don’t mind me asking?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Many feel #3 is way too high to take Ansah because he is soo raw and to a certain extent they are right. But what he brings to the table is better than any DE I’ve seen so far. Here is a kid who just happen to fall through the cracks but has unlimited potential. The Raiders will probably get hammered for taking him that high however if they trade down too far they could miss him which IMO is mush worse than taking him a lil higher than others think he should be.
He is just a very rare animal and just because he has been looked over most of his career and doesn’t have the experience and polish one would expect froma pcik that high. Doesn’t mean you miss out on a talent like his because you might be taking him 10 spots before you should. The true travesty would be in not getting him at all………period
February 15th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
He was BlackHolePriest a long time ago. Pretty cool handle.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I do mind…
February 15th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
So? Tell us anyway.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Pryor’s 6′6” height makes Fisher the likely #3 overall pick, two tall tackles at both ends; would still be willing to draft Long in the 3rd, we would be set at the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th most important positions on offense for years.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
426,iyo….. not mine.Not this year, maybe next year, maybe
February 15th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
You wouldn’t understand….
February 15th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Not trying to be mysterious it’s just too confusing…
February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Priest…okay
February 15th, 2013 at 11:35 pm
That’s the only player I wouldn’t mind taking over Ansah because I know he would rove worthy.
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RaiderRetribution Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Pryor’s 6′6” height makes Fisher the likely #3 overall pick, two tall tackles at both ends; would still be willing to draft Long in the 3rd, we would be set at the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th most important positions on offense for years
February 15th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
I’m Scourge because, in an early part of my life, I had the unfortunate habit of mentioning potential problems with certain ways of doing things at work. It took me a while to begin to understand that to question The Established Way of Doing Things was not a good thing. But I have learned since then.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Now, in reality, I’m more the Anti-Scourge….or maybe the really reticent Scourge.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Along those same lines, what’s a Purvis, man?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:45 pm
Scourge Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
I’m Scourge because, in an early part of my life, I had the unfortunate habit of mentioning potential problems with certain ways of doing things at work. It took me a while to begin to understand that to question The Established Way of Doing Things was not a good thing. But I have learned since then
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My explanation is about 3x’s more involved……..lol
It probably doesn’t make sense to anyone else but myself. Thus it’s difficult to explain.
February 15th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Priest, in other words, your self-sense-making?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:51 pm
A qb goes thru progressions, not processions
February 15th, 2013 at 11:58 pm
GG, but if his team wins the Super Bowl, doesn’t he get to go on the celebratory procession through the hometown?
February 15th, 2013 at 11:59 pm
Or would you deny him that experience because he’s a quarterback?
February 16th, 2013 at 12:16 am
Well, everyone’s doing other things, so I shall say “G’d night.”
Laterz….
February 16th, 2013 at 12:29 am
A qb goes thru progressions, not processions
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My bad, thanks!
February 16th, 2013 at 12:34 am
KoolKell Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
No way in hell Al Davis drafts a QB out of Nevado/Reno.
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Really? He recently took a wr out of Maryland…he must have thought he was drafting for the warriors, not the raiders. And he drafted a safety out if some school called YouTube.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:36 am
But a great example of Pryor setting his feet and reading the defense was his first pass to Reece that was dropped. That was his 3rd read in the progression. He read right to left and back to his checkdown. But the best evvidence of his ability to read the defense was actually in preseason game vs the Seahawks where he read the defense and check to the outlet several times in one drive.
He has a much easier time doing this than anyone wants to admit. One thing I noticed is that he rarely forces the ball into coverage. He looks for the uncovered man in most cases and will extend the play to get a rec’r open then make the throw. However you could see the unfamiliarity ib his players because they had a hard adjusting to his passes from Palmers balls. More reps will only help.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:46 am
Dakota, MM34 has made a career out that pick he may not be a starter but he does provide quality depth. The issue was he was playing out of position. He is bets used as a box safety when Branch went down that defense actually played well the last 3 weeks. Largely due to his play and the MLB filling in and being steady.
It seems to me when Al Davis gambled he won a lot when he went with the consensus pick is when we often times came up short. JaMarcus, Gallery, Huff, McClain and others were consensus top picks showing that the draft is just a highpriced crapshoot. You have to know what fits YOUR team NOT what the pundits think should be done. Nnamdi, Marcus, Howie, Lester, Millen, are just a few players he was villified for drafting at that particular spot who came up bigtime. It’;s just that sometimes when it did go wrong everyone made mention of his gaffs a lot more than the success stories. No one would’ve drafted Howie where we did.
No one would’ve drafted Seabass or Ray Guy where he did. Two of the smartest picks in Raider history.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:49 am
You cannot allow the pundits to make your picks for you because everyone will forget what they said and calll you out for it NOT THEM. Gallery was unquestioned can’t miss player. Mel Kiper damn near threw a parade for us when we drafted JaMarcus. YOu just never know…..period
February 16th, 2013 at 12:51 am
Adios!
February 16th, 2013 at 12:54 am
Dakota, MM34 has made a career out that pick he may not be a starter but he does provide quality depth. The issue was he was playing out of position. He is bets used as a box safety when Branch went down that defense actually played well the last 3 weeks. Largely due to his play and the MLB filling in and being steady.
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Considering al’s draft pick track record you could say that finding a bench player in the 2nd round was a success for the guy!
Lmao
February 16th, 2013 at 12:56 am
MJ beat kid-gilchrist in one on one….I smell comeback #3 for MJ!
February 16th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Priesttj likes Pryor…..we all know what that means for Pryor’s prospects….better go chase that NBA dream TP!
February 16th, 2013 at 3:44 am
Damn, raiders got the ugliest cheerleaders..
February 16th, 2013 at 3:51 am
and the crappiest cheerleader uniforms
February 16th, 2013 at 3:59 am
Priesttj12 Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Many feel #3 is way too high to take Ansah because he is soo raw and to a certain extent they are right. But what he brings to the table is better than any DE I’ve seen so far. Here is a kid who just happen to fall through the cracks but has unlimited potential. The Raiders will probably get hammered for taking him that high however if they trade down too far they could miss him which IMO is mush worse than taking him a lil higher than others think he should be.
He is just a very rare animal and just because he has been looked over most of his career and doesn’t have the experience and polish one would expect froma pcik that high. Doesn’t mean you miss out on a talent like his because you might be taking him 10 spots before you should. The true travesty would be in not getting him at all………period
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Completely agree with this. Should we have taken Tony Gonzalez over Darrel Russel? Absolutely, but some moron would came on here saying we drafted a TE too high.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:04 am
Chris In NY Says:
February 15th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I guess you could throw him out there and hope he’s either good enough to lead us to the playoffs and beyond, or bad enough that we wind up with the No. 1 pick in 2014 and can draft a Teddy Bridgewater to be our QB
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That’s what I’m hoping for. We win either way. We get rid of Denise and get a top pick, or show promise. It’s better than a repeat of 2012.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:14 am
I’d always rather we just win, make playoffs.
I couldn’t care less about Clowney or any other player in current or future drafts (except Barry Sanders Jr).
As long as the team is winning with whatever players we have, them becoming star names in their own right tho they weren’t high draft picks or were.
Like the old Raiders…band of misfits and cast-offs. I wouldn’t trade any of them for bigger named stars of their same era.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:15 am
Same goes for coaches btw.
Couldn’t care if Olson is or isn’t OC. If Allen is or isn’t HC. If Gruden returns or doesn’t. As long as the coaches we have are proving to be good coaches.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:25 am
MM34 blitzes very well, doesn’t always or actually rarely hits the QB, but he times his blitzes very, very well, flahses and disrupts the pocket.
Other than that……….he stinks.
Can’t cover, can’t tackle in space, and really has regressed on ST’s as well.
I wouldn’t mind seeing him brought back, but for not much more then the NFL Vet minimum.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:34 am
So looking at last years draft, Dallas moved up from #14 to #6 and it cost a 2nd rounder.
That is 8 spots. Now I realize that moving down to #3 should be more costly than #6, but if we moved say 7 spots to #10, that 2nd rounder would be higher than the one the Cowboys gave up last year, so that evens it out a bit.
So that’s where I think we would have to trade down to, to get a 2nd rounder. #10 overall.
Worth it?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:49 am
The Sanchez trade is interesting.
Jets went from #17 to #5, and it cost them an additional 2nd rounder, and 3 players, Brett Ratliff, Kenyon Coleman and Abram Elam.
Would anyone want to trade down to the #17 range, just for a 2nd, and three mostly crappy players?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:55 am
The best thing about a trade down isn’t the compensation more than likely, it is the savings in that rookie’s contract.
Last year #3 was Trent R. 4 years/20 mil, $13 mil signing. That’s 8.25 per year for cap purposes.
#7 was Mark Barron, 4/13, 9 mil signing. 5.5 per year
#9 was Kuechly, 4,12.5, 7.5 signing, 5 per year.
Trading down will get us SOMETHING, as far as additional picks, and probably give us the money and cap space to resign Wheeler as well.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:21 am
Like the old Raiders…band of misfits and cast-offs. I wouldn’t trade any of them for bigger named stars of their same era.
Good point 460. These older Raiders were something special when they put on The Silver & Black, no matter they’re background, previous playing contributions, or what, total band of misfits and cast-offs who united as a team, and came to play every week.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Yrs because we still can get a speed rusher at 17 which is a huge need if not the biggest need in our team bro!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 7:44 am
As far as C-Wood, look for him to go on a 1 year deal to someone like the Pats or Ravens.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Ohhhh and GreatMorningNation!
February 16th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Trade down:
1- DT J Hankins
2- CB: best available Rhodes, Amerson, Poyer, or Ryan
3- DE Brandon Jenkins (FSU)
4- OLB Jamie Collins
5- TE J Fauria
6- ILB N Johnson, AJ Klein, or V Williams
February 16th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 7:44 am
As far as C-Wood, look for him to go on a 1 year deal to someone like the Pats or Ravens.
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I was thinking he and Freeny may end up here in New Orleans
February 16th, 2013 at 7:51 am
FAuria in the 5th??
What am I missing on this guy, he looked like a top 50 player when I watched him.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:56 am
He is not a good blocker, and most sites don’t have him as a top 10 RE prospect.
WF: 12th
Draftscout: 16th and projected as a 7th round- FA prospect
Draftcountdown: 11th
February 16th, 2013 at 7:56 am
TE*
February 16th, 2013 at 7:58 am
Draftscout has him ranked at 281.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:20 am
According to Not That Noise of SB Nation, very few first-round picks even make one Pro Bowl appearance throughout their career. The current average is 1.4 first-round Pro Bowl selections per draft class.
This is what I mean when I say the draft is a crap shoot.
ComOnSeven!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 8:26 am
7th round FA prospect?
That is crazy-talk, IMO.
Dude had great hands, is like 6′6 or something, and hard to cover.
I think getting him even in the 5th would be a steal and a half.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Chico,
I think he is 4th-5th round prospect.
He is slow, he is not a good blocker, and that will affect his draft status.
6′6-7, 255+, runs an avg 40, and he is not a good blocker.
Sounds right to me bro.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Chico,
Another 5th round steal?
We had a few the last few drafts
- Moore
- Criner
- Fauria?
February 16th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Cork cannot be serious!!!
Haven’t we seen enough of a Sapp, Moss, Seymour,Walker,Green,Newberry etc. etc. to realize that it is a total waste of time to have these types of guys on a weak team with very little core talent?????
Aging vets are way too injury prone and feel insulted to play for what they are really worth. Seymour was a total disaster!
Build your core through the draft especially on the line of scrimmage.
In the meantime you can use a free agent here and there to buy time till you draft the right guy or let the right guy develop. (See Romo, Woodson, Rice).
Once in a long while will you get a free agent that is a big difference maker (Gannon) and that usually happens when the team releasing the player has a perceived surplus of talent at the position (Grbac). Again, that will only happen when the rest of the base (Oline) is in place.
As a rule free agents are “free” for a reason (injury history, attitude issues, high salary demands etc.) and rarely if ever produce up to their contracts.
On a percentage basis, young hungry rookies with the salary cap in place are much better values.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:48 am
AGree the best way is clearly building through the draft, getting quality production on a 4th round rookie contract helps immensely.
But this team DOES NEED people that know how to win. Not saying we should sign C-Wood (too injury prone at this stage) but we need winners around these parts, people that have won tough games in December and playoff games that can will us along.
Too many of our guys seem to willing to fold up shop when things get tough, and too excited to make a play in the 3rd quarter of a game in October.
Need winners!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 8:49 am
We need winners and leaders.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:50 am
He is slow, he is not a good blocker, and that will affect his draft status.
6′6-7, 255+, runs an avg 40, and he is not a good blocker.
Sounds right to me bro.
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Well hey, we will need to use a 4th prob becaue we have no 5th (thanks Aaron Curry).
With the way TE’s are used now these days, I think he can be impact rookie, at least in the red zone and such.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I think we will get a comp 5th round pick.
The 4th is reserved for the next V Miller aka OLB Jamie Collins.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:57 am
They usually announce the comp picks a week or so after the combine I believe.
I have us tabbed for two 6’s, with the first of the two the first comp pick in the 6th.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:59 am
Winners and leaders THAT CAN PLAY.
Guys like Seymour, Freeney, Woodson can not even practice.
Unless you are a physical freak like Rice or a QB anything past 31 is a gift in the NFL.
It is not an accident our three best lineman are Wiz, Houston and Veld. How old and how did we get them?
February 16th, 2013 at 9:01 am
We drafted them at the top of our recent drafts.
We need to do the same now for our other depleted positions (DB, ILB, S, TE, KR)
February 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am
OLB Jamie Collins (S.Miss)
6′3, 240+, 4.6 40.
The last 2 years: 190 tackles, 39.5 TFL, 16.5 sacks, and 13 PBUs.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:05 am
I have decided to hang in for the long haul.
Time to cut Kelly, Palmer, and Seymour if it allows the team to take care of the salary cap mess.
I realize some of these contracts won’t allow an outright cut because of the dead money but something has to be done.
Time to build through the draft and fix the cap. Then in a year or two they can look for the 1 or 2 good FA that will help the team.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:06 am
And yes, KR has to be addressed as well.
Ask the 49ers how important it is. They just lost a Super Bowl to an elite kick returner, and lost last years Conference championship due to having a low-end, plug and fill punt returner.
We aren’t going to be some high, explosive offense that cruises to 12-4. We are going to have to grind out games, try to win the close ones, and having a stud return man makes a HUGE impact upgrade for us.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Though I see a huge need on the Dline this year and a guy like Star is very intiguing I go back to the days of Raider football with the best Oline in the history of the game.
IF there is a guy rated highly enough for our Oline at tackle we could have something special. (Either at RT or move Veld to RT).
A great Oline automatically makes your D better because you are converting more first downs and moving the chains keeping guys like Manning off the field.
We then need Bergstrom to step up for Carlise and Brisiel to rebound from injury.
It was very comforting to know that with a lead and four minutes left the game it was usually over with a wall of Shell, Upshaw, Dalby/Otto, Marvin and Lawrence/Vella.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:10 am
We have J Ford who scored 4 TDs his 1st 2 seasons.
We don’t need a KR.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:03 am
OLB Jamie Collins (S.Miss)
6′3, 240+, 4.6 40.
The last 2 years: 190 tackles, 39.5 TFL, 16.5 sacks, and 13 PBUs.
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I´m all in for a LB or DL with our first pick. PBU´s are an interesting and underrated stat. (I had to google it. LOL). The OL is young.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:14 am
-49ers have the best OL in the NFL, and they lost to a team that’s has better skill players (QB, WRs, KR, etc…)
-2 teams won 4 SBs without investing a lot in their OL.
Great OLs are overrated in today’s game.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:16 am
The browns and eagles invested a lot in their OLs, so did that help them win a SB?
They pick 4th and 6th in this draft.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Jared Veldheer is rated as one of the best LT’s in the game.
LT is about THE ONLY POSITION we can draft at #3 and possibly not even upgrade the team.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Mex,
Collins is my sleeper this draft.
I have no idea why he is ranked so low.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
We need a impact player at #3, end of story. Game changer or trade back if possible.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:19 am
It was very comforting to know that with a lead and four minutes left the game it was usually over with a wall of Shell, Upshaw, Dalby/Otto, Marvin and Lawrence/Vella.
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Different game today man.
4 minutes means 2 possessions left.
Teams only need about 30 seconds to go 25-30 yards, and kickers are making 54 yard game-winning FG’s no prob, which they wouldn’t even have tried in the 70’s.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:20 am
Yeah, what is the difference between a PBU and PD?
February 16th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Some teams don’t have a FB.
It is a different game.
Steelers won 2 SBs with one of the worst OL in the league.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:22 am
What did the Falcons go, 35 yards in 25 seconds or something against Seattle?
Same thing against us, and kicked a 55 yard FG to win it.
If a kicker made a 55 yard game-winning FG in the 70’s, they would have put him on the cover of SI.
Now, it is old hat.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Chico,
I think it’s the same thing. I’m not sure.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:24 am
From 1967 to 1975, Blanda was 1 of 10 on 50+ yard FG’s.
That has completely changed the landscape of end of game situations, with kickers routinely making 53+ yard FG’s.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Sorry Charlie, but aren’t you the same guy that said Reggie took a ‘calculated risk’ in keeping Seymour last year and pushing that problem to this year and that Desmond Bryant is a 3 or 4 on any other team? I sense propaganda coming from your keystrokes.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Mex,
Collins is my sleeper this draft.
I have no idea why he is ranked so low.
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That´s fine ´cause is supposed Reggie´s quality is to find this kind of players, don´t he?
February 16th, 2013 at 9:30 am
If we do draft O-line in the first round, it HAS TO BE Warmack, IMO.
That would produce an immediate upgrade.
Veldheer in his 4th year is super solid at LT, some rookie first off may never even surpass Veldheer for his career, and certainly won’t be better at best the first month of the season, if not the entire season.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Banana
Reggie inherited a cap disaster that could not be fixed in one year.
Given the lack of Dline talent and the fact that Seymour was his HIGHEST PAID PLAYER Reggie had to try for one more year.
You can not cut everybody in one year!
Way too much dead money for a team already $30 million over the cap.
My point was we should NEVER HAD PICKED UP SEYMOUR BACK IN 2009!!!
Contracts in place when Reggie took the job:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
February 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Hiram at 2.5 million?????
WTF were these monkeys doing!!!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 9:35 am
JFB
You can not run OR pass efectively without a good Oline.
You are correct that you may not be able to run it ten straight times with 8 in the box. Making a team PUT 8 in the box is the mismatch you are looking for to pass with a higher percent success rate.
The great Oline forces a D to respect the POSIBILITY OF THE RUN making passing more effective.
That is one of the biggest reasons why Palmer’s performance this year was impressive given our complete lack of a running game.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Hiram at 2.5 million?????
WTF were these monkeys doing!!!!!
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The “check catcher” term in the most sublime expresion.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:37 am
JFB
That is what I said to Banana.
Reggie had a lot of dead money with the likes of Henderson etc. that we had to eat.
This cap issue will spill into 2014.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:38 am
Running game was only really a MAJOR issue with McFadden.
Everyone else averaged 4+ ypc.
I expect very few personnel changes at O-line, and much better overall play by the offense this season.
D-line…….a different story.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
You can not run OR pass efectively without a good Oline.
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You know, it obviously helps, but I just don’t buy that every “effective” running or passing team has a good O-line.
The Ravens got some shoddy LT play all season and seemed fine. Bears have some of the worst O-line play ever in the history of football, and can run and fling it most weeks.
Colts O-line graded out as 2nd worst in football, but everytime they needed a score ith 3 minutes to go, they got it.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
Then stick to that story, Charlie. I don’t want to hear calculated risk talk. If it was too prohibitive to dump him (I don’t remember the figures and would have to look them up), then I can accept that. I seemed to remember that we could have dumped him. If so, he should have. If he is who he’s claimed to be and had the room to do so, he should have had the sense to rid himself of that problem last year.
I seem to remember that he was getting paid a large sum regardless of releasing or keeping him and that the cap hit was not larger than what we actually ended up taking on. I could be wrong. But if so, he should have been released last year and it was a bad move to keep him,
Should we expect every single one of our GM’s moves to be golden? No. But let’s not spew propaganda to mask the bad moves. Call it what it is and move on. Tired of excuses.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:42 am
“Offensive coordinator Olson speaks for first time”
No schyyyt? My son said his first words at 7 months old….why did it take this Olson guy so long to learn how to speak?
This really casts doubt on this hiring.
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You people!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 9:44 am
That’s it for now. Gonna enjoy the rest of this morning with my lovely wife. Enjoy, fellas. Chat with you later.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am
You know, it obviously helps, but I just don’t buy that every “effective” running or passing team has a good O-line.
The Ravens got some shoddy LT play all season and seemed fine. Bears have some of the worst O-line play ever in the history of football, and can run and fling it most weeks.
Colts O-line graded out as 2nd worst in football, but everytime they needed a score ith 3 minutes to go, they got it.
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Exactly.
Great OLs are overrated in today’s game.
We don’t have a great OL, and we still managed to throw for 4000+ yards.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Any free agents that could be realistically signed?
Leodis Mckevin, Captian Munnryln, E.j Biggers. I would like for us to sign Sam Shields but he is a RFA so theres no way he’s leaving GB.
LB:Geno Hayes, Larry Grant
DT:Rocky Bernard,Terrance Knighton
S: Chris Clemons, Eric Frampton (previous draft pick)
OL:Winston Justice, Sean Locklear, Jeremy Trueblood
February 16th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Later TBB.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:48 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:42 am
“Offensive coordinator Olson speaks for first time”
No schyyyt? My son said his first words at 7 months old….why did it take this Olson guy so long to learn how to speak?
This really casts doubt on this hiring.
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You people!!!
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Dakota aka White Devil is a funny poster.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:58 am
It is still surprising to me how many on this blog expect immediate improvement given the state of the Raiders in 2012 when Reggie took the job.
Throw on top of this mess injuries to Dmac, Goodson, Moore, Ford, Spencer/Bartell (all we could afford in FA given that those two are injury prone), Seymour, Branch, Brisiel,Barnes, Bey, etc. and you have 4-12.
Below is a summary of how disastrous our cap situation was and what Reggie had to deal with when he took the job.THESE ARE FACTS. NOT EXCUSES!
It was created over several years as we continued to draft poorly, over rate free agents and pay far above market value for very little production. The cap issues alone are a three year project. Forget about aging players that lack talent to compete at the NFL level. That is a draft problem that is a multiyear fix as well given our lack of picks.
As of March 25, 2012, The Oakland Raiders held TWO SELECTIONS in the 2012 NFL Draft (a 5th and 6th round pick), which was just about a month away. The NFL awarded the Raiders three COMPENSATORY PICKS March 26. (A 3rd round 4th round and 5th round pick).
“In 2010, Al Davis went all out for his football team in an uncapped year and spent the most money in the league at over $150 million in player salaries. THAT IS EASILY THE MOST MONEY EVER SPENT ON A TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. One thing we know for sure is that Al Davis made his own bed here and whether that is good or bad, he must lie in it. At the other end of the spectrum are the Bengals, who have only $83.5 million in commitments for 2012. The Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos also are under $100 million.”
“Reports are now coming out that the Raiders cap overshot is actually more like $30 million for 2012-nearly three times the original figure. Even at the original $11 million estimation, the Raiders had a lot of work to do. With this new figure, they go from pruning and trimming to SLASH AND BURN.”
McKenzie: “Doing this (last off-season) when we have over $30 million dollars over (the cap) with him the way his contract was, no. I did not have the luxury to do anything (last off-season) because of our current situation as it was. I was trying to get under. When you’re trying to get rid of $30 million-plus, it’s hard when you’re trying to bring in more (free agents) to add on to that.”
“In general manager Reggie McKenzie’s first offseason with the team, HIS HANDS WERE ESSENTIALLY TIED DUE TO A TOUGH SALARY CAP AND VERY FEW DRAFT PICKS. IN THE 2013 DRAFT, THE RAIDERS WILL HAVE MORE SELECTIONS, AS WELL AS A FIRST-ROUND PICK FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2010.”
“The Raiders (4-10) have stumbled on the field, but McKenzie, especially, is well-respected around the NFL. He took over a TALENT-POOR TEAM that was stripped of draft picks in 2012.”
“The Raiders knew they were taking a risk extending the players they did prior to the lockout.”
February 16th, 2013 at 10:01 am
According to WalterFootball, “Richard Seymour’s contract will be voided at the end of the season. Meanwhile, Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning, as evidenced when he laughed after prolonging a San Diego drive with a pair of offside penalties. He’s a thug who has played so sluggishly this year in the rare instances when he wasn’t trying to injure the opposing quarterback, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener”.
TK: a sluggish thug who is a bum.
DA: 15 yo titty monkey?
LOL
February 16th, 2013 at 10:05 am
He is the thuggish sluggish bum….
February 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener”.
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Wow, that’s some heavy speculation.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:11 am
Lol, Charlie. Stay on topic and spare me your long-winded posts. I didn’t call Reggie a failure. Quit trying to make this something it isn’t. Point was you’re spinning his every move with propaganda. Obviously we can’t judge Reggie based on 1 year and I’ve even been one of his supporters. But don’t act like the man is perfect.
Make this blog propaganda free. I know, I know, fellas, impossible task.
K, now im out.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Banana
I simply support my opinions with FACTS and when possible, the source of those facts.
Sorry for the voluminous nature of the supporting documenation.
Kelly’s situation is worse than that.
2013:
Others whose financial commitments could be an issue include wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey ($7,721,000 salary) and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6.5 million salary, with potential bonuses up to $9.4 million).
February 16th, 2013 at 10:32 am
Woodson had a nice career but he is old & tired.
Having said that Reggie will prob hop on his packer nuts and sign him.
#4-12
February 16th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Chico,
I started losing respect for DA when he was smiling/ laughing after our 1st loss to Denver. WTF are you smiling/ laughing about after a loss like that to Denver?!
I lost all respect for him after he changed from the ZBS after one year, and after he said he believes in it and how committed he was to that scheme.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:36 am
Eff you Titty Monkey!
February 16th, 2013 at 10:41 am
O, can you keep your titty & monkey references to a minimum, thanks in advance.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Exactly.
Great OLs are overrated in today’s game.
We don’t have a great OL, and we still managed to throw for 4000+ yards.
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Holy crap that is hot garbage…
February 16th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:40 am
You can not run OR pass efectively without a good Oline.
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You know, it obviously helps, but I just don’t buy that every “effective” running or passing team has a good O-line.
The Ravens got some shoddy LT play all season and seemed fine. Bears have some of the worst O-line play ever in the history of football, and can run and fling it most weeks.
Colts O-line graded out as 2nd worst in football, but everytime they needed a score ith 3 minutes to go, they got it.
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And then SF has hands down the best o-line in football, and came a play from winning a ring with a first year starting QB.
Somehow we need to replace three o-linemen as quickly as possible. Hopefully there aren’t anybody like you or O in the Raider front office.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Gdog.
Agreed.
Anyone that says that about line play does not understand the game.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
We will never be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
Taken to another extreme, we will not be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. We are not likely to find premier or at least very good lineman in the fifth to seventh round or packing out at Wal Mart THAT ARE BETTER THAN WHAT OTHER NFL TEAMS HAVE.
We need to build OUR CORE through the draft and expend enough high round draft picks on lineman to ensure superior line play. The way the Raiders used to do it. You build the core of your team through the draft especially with the rookie cap in place. You use FA’s for niche pieces to buy time or plug a hole.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Based on his performance last year, I think it’s fair to say Tits Allen should have been fired and would not even be considered a HC prospect by any other team in the NFL.
Rookie mistakes are to be expected, but the whole Krapp fiasco is incontrovertible evidence that Tits doesn’t have a clue.
Anyone that watched the goal line futility during the pre-season game in Az had to be extremely alarmed that we were in a boatload of trouble.
Even a casual observer could see that.
How is it possible that a HC that watches practice every day, is involved in game planning, is supposedly aware of his players strengths, has knowledge of what worked the previous year – allows Krapp to take the offense in entirely the wrong direction – and worse yet, refuses to admit there’s a problem and doesn’t address it the ENTIRE season ?
Sorry, that BS just doesn’t fly.
That’s not a rookie mistake.
That’s pure incompetence.
Phuck Smiling Titty Boy and the horse he rode in on.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Make this blog propaganda free
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February 16th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Charlie Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Gdog.
Agreed.
Anyone that says that about line play does not understand the game.
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The Raiders need to upgrade/replace 3 olinemen and 3 d-linemen (2 if we decide to keep Seymour, which I actually expect.)
This is not something to do through free agency, IMO. Why? They are usually on their last leg (lines tear apart players legs) and they usually are too expensive if at all good.
Reggie needs to trade down out of three, and then start drafting linemen and KEEP drafting linemen. Hopefully Warmack is still available after trading down. I wouldn’t be bothered at all if we draft NOTHING but linemen!
Its the quickest way to the playoffs, IMO.
Use free agency to plug holes like WR, TE, FS, LB.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:06 am
1.) I don’t want Woodson and I doubt he wants us. Why should he? Why should we?
2.) Charlie, great posts.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Gdog.
Just about completely agree. Finally some sanity.
I do think that Seymour is gone but I am not sure Reggie can trade down effectively.
This is my assessment of how scary our line situation is and why we will use our first and second round picks during the next two drafts on the lines.
BARNES Free agent cast off from Jacksonville. 30 years old and becoming very injury prone. The Denver game is all you should need to see that he can NOT compete at the NFL level. Requires major max protect against good dlines which limits our offensive options.
CARLISLE 35 years old. Probably retiring after this year. Can Bergstrom backfill?
BRISIEL Free agent 29 years old Average performance at best this year. Perhaps he can rebound after ankle injury and offseason surgery.
SHAUGNESSY Complete non factor as a pass rusher. Ineffective on rush defense as well. Continues to lose playing time to Carter who is 34.
KELLY 32 years old. Undrafted free agent signed most lucrative deal for a DT in NFL history. Easily neutralized by good Olines. Only applies rush pressure against weak fronts. Has been part of Dlines that are routinely shredded by good running backs at an embarrassingly high statistical level. The Tampa game should tell you how quickly he can disappear.
SEYMOUR 33 years old Body is shot. Cannot practice let alone play. Will not be in NFL next year. Disastrous.
Houston, Wiz II, Veldheer show promise and are legit NFL starters. The rest would not be starting anywhere else in the NFL.
It will take two drafts just to deal with these holes.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
WE have to realizeD A is not an offense to coach”’ crappy nappy came in here from the Texans he love that offense sword brought up Oakland to give this DA and Reggie but this was the way to go I watch the Texans play last year that a good offense but they had the right players. The first coach I ever remember the maybe offense match the players was Don Shula one year he told the ball 50 times the next year did run it 50 times this depends what he had for players ALDavis had one way man-to-man defense a good running game and sling the ball down the field in 83 and 84 we had one of the best defenses in the NFL as we at Haynes and Hayes on the corners they were both lockdown corners will never have that again.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
This is not something to do through free agency, IMO. Why?
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Why not?
Ravens won the Super Bowl with a FA LT and C.
49ers starting C was a FA as well.
Not saying that’s how you build the line, but I would rather get a known commodity RT via FA at a couple a mil a year than draft one and hope for the best.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Here’s the o-linemen that need to be replaced from the starting lineup:
1 Cooper C.
2 Brisiel
3 Barnes
3b Myers (worst run blocking TE in football)
The d-linemen:
1. Kelly
2. Shonasty
2b Seymour (actually is still a good linemen, he just can’t stay healthy)
We have only four good/great linemen. Veld, Wiz, Bryant, Houston.
And there is absolutely no depth behind them (Nix is the only other player with positive stats on the entire team!)
I say it again… Reggie needs to draft linemen and KEEP drafting linemen!
February 16th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I wouldn’t be bothered at all if we draft NOTHING but linemen!
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3-13 next year at best if so.
How did that work for us when we drafted Gallery, Grove and then 2 more lineman at the end of the draft.
Or the Browns with all those high priced O-lineman top draft picks.
Browns had the worst 3rd and 1 running conversion rate in the NFL!!!! Why?? Not because they can’t block, because they pose no threat of throwing a completed pass on 3rd and 1.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
This is my assessment of how scary our line situation is and why we will use our first and second round picks during the next two drafts on the lines.
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LOL…..not happening.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:17 am
This is not something to do through free agency, IMO. Why?
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Why not?
Ravens won the Super Bowl with a FA LT and C.
49ers starting C was a FA as well.
Not saying that’s how you build the line, but I would rather get a known commodity RT via FA at a couple a mil a year than draft one and hope for the best.
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You mean like Brisiel?
Look at his stats… he is DAMAGED GOODS! He hasn’t had consistently positive performances since week 6 or 7 2011. Atl prolly knew this and let him walk…
February 16th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:22 am
I wouldn’t be bothered at all if we draft NOTHING but linemen!
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3-13 next year at best if so.
How did that work for us when we drafted Gallery, Grove and then 2 more lineman at the end of the draft.
Or the Browns with all those high priced O-lineman top draft picks.
Browns had the worst 3rd and 1 running conversion rate in the NFL!!!! Why?? Not because they can’t block, because they pose no threat of throwing a completed pass on 3rd and 1.
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Ya need a QB too Bubba.
We already have one of them.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:24 am
This is my assessment of how scary our line situation is and why we will use our first and second round picks during the next two drafts on the lines.
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LOL…..not happening.
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Only if you ran the team… let me guess… you want him to draft QB and WR with our first two picks??
February 16th, 2013 at 11:31 am
How did that work out for the Rams, drafting mostly line guys from 2007 on in the first round of the draft?
Adam Carriker, Jason Smith, Roger Saffold, Chris Long, Robert Quinn, Michael Brockers all 1st and 2nd round picks over that time.
They won 3 or less games 4 of the 7 seasons since!!!!
3 or less!!!!!! Talking the worst team BY FAR in all of football since 2007.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am
I don’t understand the game but the guy who wants to upgrade the LT position and OL because it worked in the 70’s does?
LOL
Like I said many times and these are facts, the Steelers and Giants among other teams in the last decade won (multiple) SBs without investing a lot in their OL.
Our OL was 5th in sacks allowed and hits.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 10:06 am
He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener”.
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Wow, that’s some heavy speculation.
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Sure, it’s speculation.
We’re not in the locker room. We don’t KNOW for a fact whether Tits is respected or what the general vibe is.
But you don’t think the players saw Tits smiling and jovial after the RAIDS got BLASTED in Denver ?
What kind of message does that send ?
He’s more concerned about being happy for his buddy Fox than he is concerned about his own team getting embarrassed ?
Who the fk is going to respect that ?
Tell you something else, it’s worth noting that when Slowturdo went off on STB and told him ‘you ain’t sheet’ – there weren’t many Raiders that rallied to defend STB, at least none that I recall. About the only player that had anything to say about it was TK, and the best he could muster was that Slowturdo needed to calm down, keep his head, and not jeopardize his own future.
Now, I’d be willing to bet that Slowturdo wasn’t exactly well liked or respected in the locker room, but I’ve also got a feeling most weren’t too unhappy about Slowturdo telling Tits off.
Sure it’s just speculation, but it’s not pure speculation – we get clues along the way and can read between the lines.
My speculation is that Tits isn’t well liked or respected.
We can speculate as to whether Tits will do a better job in 2013, but it isn’t speculative to say he sucked in 2012.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:35 am
It seems like there is a philosophical difference that will never be reconciled and that is some believe that the game has changed and skill guys can overcome all obstacles if they are good enough.
I come from the camp that believes that Olines create time and space and Dlines destroy time and space.
No matter how prolific the individual, football is a team game. Without enough time and space no skill player linebacker or DB will be able to perform effectively and make plays.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
“Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.””
BTW; The Ravens drafted Ngata and the rest is history.
Without enough time and space Teo gets neutralized by Alabama, Peyton and Brady get swarmed by the Giants and Steelers Dline and become ordinary, CJ and Fitzgerald cannot overcome a lack of running game or poor defense; their teams finishing a dismal 4-12 and 5-11 respectively in 2012.
THE RAIDERS GET PUMMELED by playoff teams on the line of scrimmage and have for a decade. 9-51 for the last ten years losing by an average of 30-13. That will continue till we fix the lines.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:35 am
You mean like Brisiel?
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No, more like Lincoln Kennedy, Frank Middleton, Sam Adams, John Parella, Trace Armstrong, and Regan Upshaw.
Also know as the majority of our Super Bowl starting lines in 2002.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Chico,
You are wasting your time. One guy doesn’t understand that it’s not the 70’s and some teams don’t have a FB on the roster (pass happy league), and the other one is a lost cause.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:38 am
After Ray Lewis made that quote…..they kept the same NT for the next 5 years.
His name was Kelly Gregg.
Ngata played DE and they went 5-11 his second year.
Why? No QB.
Drafted Flacco and they have taken off.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Raider O
See my 551 post.
So you would like to base our rebuilding strategy on ONE example where your plan seems to have worked?????
Pretty low probability plan.
See below as to what I have said regarding “in the box” talent and we we are behind the examples uou sight.
GIANTS/STEELERS DRAFT HISTORY FOR THE PAST TEN YEARS REVEALS THE FOLLOWING:
The Giants drafted 8 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the past decade.
What is misleading is when you go back a bit further you find:
STRAHAN #1
PETITGOUT #1
GRAGG #2
The Giants had the good fortune of getting unusual longevity out of VERY HIGH DRAFT PICKS. AS A RESULT THEY HAD A CORE THAT ALLOWED THEM TO FOCUS ON SKILL GUYS WITH HIGH PICKS BECAUSE THEY HAD BUILT THE CORE OF THEIR LINES IN THE LATE 90’S.
The Steelers drafted 12 “in the box” type players with first or second round picks during the last decade.
BY CONTRAST THE RAIDERS DRAFTED 7 IN THE BOX TYPE PLAYERS WITH HIGH ROUND PICKS. THEY ALSO TRADED AWAY THREE OF THEIR 20 HIGH ROUND PICKS DURING THAT TIME. MOST WERE ALL AVERAGE TO POOR PICKS. BRAYTON,HOWARD,GALLERY,GROVE,McCLAIN. WE CAN BE GENEROUS AND SAY THAT HOUSTON AND WIZ II WERE SUCCESSFUL.
THE MORAL OF THE STORY IS THAT SUCCESSFUL WINNING FRANCHISES BUILD THE CORE OF THEIR LINES WITH FIRST AND SECOND ROUND PICKS. IF THEY MISS THEY KEEP DOING IT TILL THEY GET IT RIGHT.
THAT IS WHAT THE RAIDERS USED TO DO AND THEY GOT AWAY FROM IT FOR THE LAST DECADE.
ANYONE SAYING THAT IT IS UNWISE TO USE TOP PICKS ON “IN THE BOX TALENT” IS NOT KNOWLEDGABLE ABOUT RAIDER HISTORY OR THE GAME:
Conners #2 Schuh #2 Upshaw #1 Thoms #1 Buehler #2 Villapianao #2 Korver #2 Johnson#2
Lawrence #2 Millen #2 Mosebar #1 Pickell #2
February 16th, 2013 at 11:43 am
RAIDER O
By high round picks, I mean 1st and 2nd rounders;
NOT THIRD OR LATER!
Your strategy is a very low probability play in the NFL.
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
February 16th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Charlie,
Do you have memory issues?
I told you several times that we need to upgrade our front 7 and CBs, but I don’t think we should TRY to upgrade a solid position like LT, and we can’t afford the luxury of drafting interior OL in the 1st when we have so many needs and lack impact player.
Why is that so hard for you to understand?
All my mocks have DL in the 1st round.
Stop talking about the DL.
We ALL agree.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Ok, so lines are not important… that is what we learned in this forum today boys and girls!!
Lets just pretend we can get it done with what we have and draft the fastest players in the draft!
Oh wait… isn’t that what Al used to do??
February 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
The so called type of players who 99 refers to as possibly not respecting the HC will be gone.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:46 am
How many “in the box” players have the Raiders drafted in the last decade with 1st or 2nd round picks?
Of the top of my head we have:
Houston, McClain, Wiz, Gallery, Grove,Brayton, Langston Walker, Thomas Howard, Seymour (traded a 1st)
I am sure there is a few more, plus lots of 3rd round picks.
We have invested more resources in our lines than any other position of late.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Ok, so lines are not important
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Who said they are not important? Every position is important, we learned the backup LS is important this year.
Talking about levels of importance.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Ok, so lines are not important… that is what we learned in this forum today boys and girls!!
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Why is everyone so dramatic?
I think the difference in opinion revolves around the QB. Some think Palmer is ok at QB so they want to build the lines.
Some think Palmer stinks so the QB position needs to upgraded first and foremost.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Look at the Browns and Eagles (2 teams that invest a lot in their Lines), and what were their results last year?
Eagles have the 4th pick and the browns have the 6th.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
How good would Flacco be without the tackles listed in my 556 post?
The good news is Raider O and JFB are not in our draft room.
Reggie:
“Two things _ I want to win up front, and that’s on both sides of the ball, with the big boys, but also I want to somehow affect the quarterback position or with somebody hitting them upside the head. Pass rush. ”
A return to Raider football.
Win on the line of scrimmage and win the game.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Nine of your starting 22 are lineman.
Not important?
February 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Not sure about DA being “jovial” after the loss to Denver.
If you didn’t look at the stills and watch it in full speed, you can’t even notice the half-cocked grin.
Not sure a split second grin with a former coach is “jovial”.
Guarantee OUR PLAYERS were doing a lot more “jovial” things with the Broncos than DA was.
You see the Bengals game? Gradkowski had like 6 guys around him, joking and laughing afterwards.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
I think we ALL agree that we need to upgrade the OG positions.
Are Bergstrom and Nix the answers there?
February 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Ok, so lines are not important
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Who said they are not important? Every position is important, we learned the backup LS is important this year.
Talking about levels of importance.
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And value in the 1st round.
Interior OL in the 1st is a luxury we can’t afford when we don’t have a pass rusher, starting CB, Good DTs, etc….
February 16th, 2013 at 11:51 am
We have invested more resources in our lines than any other position of late
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Does not mean you have invested wisely.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Look at the Browns and Eagles (2 teams that invest a lot in their Lines), and what were their results last year?
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Eagles had a ton of injuries last year if I am not mistaken.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Not sure about DA being “jovial” after the loss to Denver.
If you didn’t look at the stills and watch it in full speed, you can’t even notice the half-cocked grin.
Not sure a split second grin with a former coach is “jovial”.
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Yeah.
Been telling 99 he overreacted to that big time.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am
on the Oline
February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am
JFB.
They have to be good picks! The guys we drafted we avreage to BAD.
First and second round picks for the last ten drafts:
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
February 16th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Look at the Browns and Eagles (2 teams that invest a lot in their Lines), and what were their results last year?
Eagles have the 4th pick and the browns have the 6th.
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No QB.
Pitts and NYG won without great lines because of great QB play.
And we go back to SF. They will prolly be one of the best teams in the NFL for the next 6 – 8 years because they did things right. They drafted a great line and then got a QB.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am
The good news is Raider O and JFB are not in our draft room.
A return to Raider football
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LOL
Says the guy who thinks the game has not changed since the 70’s-80’s
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February 16th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Someone earlier used pittsburgh did not have a good oline and won multiples….Pitts has Big Ben, who is as big as dlinmen, and has the ability to escape pressure….
Put Palmer behind picks oline, he last all of 1 game.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
How good would Flacco be without the tackles listed in my 556 post?
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He seemed fine without McKinnie last year and before.
2008 without either they went to the AFC championship game.
You do realize, Oher played LT all year, blew azz, got moved to RT before the playoffs, and brought in McKinnie who DIDN’T START ONE GAME ALL YEAR into LT.
And he wasn’t very good in the playoffs either. GAve up a big sack in the Bowl, and allowed a whopping 7 QB pressures to Von Miller in that game.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:56 am
I will post it again.
When everyone else is doing it and winning, you need to sit up and take notice.
Better yet, do you really think we will win on the line when we trot out 7th rounders and everyone else has first and second rounders?????
Not likely!!!
Drafting OL is huge, specially Offensive Tackles.
2012 Playoff teams.
24 starting Offensive Tackles, 16 were either a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Every team but GB has at least 1 starting OT drafted in the 1st round.
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s (Bulaga and Sherrod, both injured).
February 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Meanwhile, I see “future Hall-of-Famer” Titus Young is available again…
February 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Meanwhile, I see “future Hall-of-Famer” Titus Young is available again…
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i can see him going to the Bengals or Ravens
February 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am
What team moves their 16 game starting LT to RT, and inserts a guy who hasn’t started all year right before the playoffs?
A team panicing due to getting shody tackle play, that’s who.
Jared Veldheer > Michael Oher
February 16th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
We got a 3rd and 2nd round pick at T, and a 2nd round pick at Guard. A 4th round pick and playoff starting G as well.
Not like we are trotting out “7th round picks” on our O-line.
You know where we were doing that?
DB, and we set a franchise record in passing yards allowed.
Crazy how that works.
And we gave up the 2nd fewest sacks the last two years combined, with 5 different QB’s playing, 4 different starters.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:59 am
What team moves their 16 game starting LT to RT, and inserts a guy who hasn’t started all year right before the playoffs?
A team panicing due to getting shody tackle play, that’s who.
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You are comparing the lines and rightfully so however, compare the QB’s behind the lines.
How good is Palmer at feeling the D when it is coming?
Does he have escapabilty, or will he take a bunch of sacks?
How does he compare to guys like flacco, eli, & ben.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Indy: Castonzo, 1st.
Cincy: Whitworth, Smith, 2nd and 1st.
Bal: McKinnie, Oher, 1st and 1st.
Hou: Brown, 1st.
NE: Solder, Vollmer, 1st and 2nd.
Den: Clady, Franklin, 1st and 2nd.
Minn: Kalil, Loadholt, 1st and 2nd.
Was: Williams, 1st.
Sea: Okung, 1st.
Atl: Baker, 1st.
SF: Staley, Davis, 1st and 1st.
Then you have GB with a Left Tackle drafted in the 5th round and an undrafted free agent at RT, but the Pack did spent 2 of their last 3 First round picks in OT’s
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Funny because, Green Bay’s tackles has as many Super Bowl wins as your whole list.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
TK: a sluggish thug who is a bum.
DA: 15 yo titty monkey?
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can somebody tell me what the f$%k this titty thing is all about
some posters have referenced this to Dennis Allen on a few occasion
corny as hell…
February 16th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I’m with Charlie in that the line and front 7 is more important, and everything works around that. There is another reason that I think we need to go with D-line, or O-line in the first round of this draft. The best players in this draft play those positions. Unless you want to go with Dee Milliner, you are looking at taking a linemen (O or D) or a pass rushing LB if we are implementing more 3-4.
That being said…the only way I would like for the Raiders to go O-lineman in the first round of the draft would be in a trade down where you can get Lane Johnson, Chance Warmack, or DJ Fluker–all of which fill an OL position of need. D-line, I’m cool with any of em.
You don’t need statistics, articles, or other teams past drafts to see this.
Also, because we have invested in these positions in the past does not mean that we need to stay away from them now. Most of the ones we have gone with in the past have washed out, leaving us with about 3 linemen (including both O and D) left. They’re both positions of need, and they’re both strong in this year’s draft. No brainer.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
How good is Palmer at feeling the D when it is coming?
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They tell me he is great at it, that’s why our sacks are so low.
BTW, good to see you bro!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Thec
And to your point, how has Ben held up the past couple of years as he has had to scramble for his life?
Not a good formula for success.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
How does he compare to guys like flacco, eli, & ben.
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IMO, not well at all.
About the same drop-off as Vince Wilfork to TK.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
TK: a sluggish thug who is a bum.
DA: 15 yo titty monkey?
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can somebody tell me what the f$%k this titty thing is all about
some posters have referenced this to Dennis Allen on a few occasion
corny as hell…
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Some posters on this board (most of who will never be in anywhere near as good a physical condition as DA is right now, let alone when he was their age) think his pecs are swollen and resemble busoms.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
BTW, good to see you bro!!!
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Hope all is well. I am allways lurking, and reading most of what goes on.
Good to see you still in strining up the pot…lol
February 16th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:58 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Meanwhile, I see “future Hall-of-Famer” Titus Young is available again…
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i can see him going to the Bengals or Ravens
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Bengals! His ego combined with Hue’s could literally explode their stadium.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Charlie Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
Thec
And to your point, how has Ben held up the past couple of years as he has had to scramble for his life?
Not a good formula for success.
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Ben has been getting jacked up… Not many QB’s in the history of the game can take what he has been getting.
Dollars to donuts picks goes oline heavy
February 16th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
I look at the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl as my model.
Great pass-rushers, and 1st round picks EVERYWHERE at the skill positions.
Horrendous O-lines overcome by it.
Fitz damn near willed that team to a Lombardi, only to be outdone by 1st round picks Ben and Holmes.
Yes, I believe you need a really good LT for the most part (neither of those teams had one) and we do have one in Veldheer.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Palmer is the guy going forward so the org better make D sure that he is upright, make SURE the trench is solid to protect him for 16 games.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Good to see you still in strining up the pot…lol
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All in fun.
Charlie will be in for a few jabs when we replace the QB and Secondary, do very little to the O-line and compete for the divison next season.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
JFB
Your strategy is simply a low percenatge play.
Can you find an Oher or Ngata in the 7th round?
Maybe.
Much higher chance in rounds one and two.
The Raiders have tried your approach on our lines for the last ten years with disastrous results.
Our best three lineman are Veld (3), Wiz(2) and Houston(2).
HOW DID WE GET THEM?
Given our pathetic line situation the lines have to be our first priority.
9-51 against playoff teams for the last ten years losing by an average of 30-13 says it all.
You will never beat playoff teams in the NFL if you do not win on the lines. NEVER!
February 16th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
IMO, the draft should focus on shoring up the D.
Draft the best Pass rusher or NT in the land.
Whoever is the best DEFENDER on the board at 3.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
need a rg and c could use a better rt….
February 16th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
This is a DEEP draft for trenchmen…
“Skill Guys” you can get in ltr rds or FA/UDFA.
See Rod Streeter, if a guy has a pedigree in college, he should be able to get it done in the league.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Anyhow you guys take care, keep the debates and arguments going…
Its good for football, and good for the NATION.
Only sports franchise that is its own country…
RAIDER NATION.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
I really wish there was a way to get a 2nd round pick and get a CB then. If we could get a front 7 guy in round one, after a trade down, that would be legit. I would love to get one of the good DLs and Xavier Rhodes. I think we are going to be in much too weird of a spot to do this, but that would be ideal.
I love the big CB, and after watching Aqib Talib on Anquan Boldin in the AFC championship game, I really started to want to get Rhodes. But I think he’ll go in the first as the second CB off the board.
I wish there was someone so good where we are that the Rams would trade both of their 1sts to get them. There won’t be, and our draft will be incomplete because of the glaring hole in round 2.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
I need to go but I will go a step further and say we will draft the best available Olineman with our first pick and shuffle existing players as needed to accomdate the pick. We will draft a DT with our third rounder if we can not trade down.
I know we need D line help but a good Oline is harder to build than a good dline.
A great Oline keeps Peyton off the field and helps the D by default.
See you later.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Can you find an Oher or Ngata in the 7th round?
Maybe.
Much higher chance in rounds one and two.
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Who is taking about 7th rounders?
BTW, Veldheer (3rd rounder) is a better LT than Michael Oher.
Not even debatable.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
There is a very good chance that Michael Oher doesn’t play LT ever again in the NFL, except for filling in for injury.
Pretty good RT though.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
WTF are you guys arguing about ?
There isn’t any position or unit that ISN’T important.
Every year at this time, the ‘draft for need’ or ‘draft the BPA’, denate rears it’s head.
The general consensus is draft the BPA.
Now we’re arguing which position we should draft ?
Got news for you, this fkng team has so many holes I don’t give a rat’s azz what positions we draft – just so long as we get some real players.
Yeah, yeah, I get it, when the RAIDS were kicking tail in the 70’s and 80’s they had drafted an awesome OL.
But guess what ?
They also drafted Stabler, Branch, Allen, Hayes, Tatum Bilitnikoff, Guy. Acquired Hendricks, Haynes, Brown, Plunk.
What I’m telling you is that you’ve got to have the TOTAL PACKAGE.
There’s no set formula or singular way to do it.
Has to come throuugh good drafting, shrewd FA signings, trades, and even waiver wire pick ups.
There’s an art to building a TEAM too.
Pretty hard to win it all with just rookies or inexperienced guys. Generally need a few vets that have been through the wars and proven themselves.
And you need a fkng HC whose best asset isn’t his pert little A cups.
Since Regina is crying about not having the room to do much in free agency, that peckerhead better deliver in the draft. I don’t care what positions he drafts. Just get some fkng PLAYERS.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Dakota Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 1:09 am
Priesttj likes Pryor…..we all know what that means for Pryor’s prospects….better go chase that NBA dream TP!
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That’s for sure. Pryor over Colin Kaepernick is one of the most idiotic statements I’ve heard from Father Pride & Poise on here. But he’s still and always will be an Al Davis apologist and that’s his real agenda on here.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
No “arguement”; rather competitive conversation as I call it.
Good for the soul
February 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
REGINA CRIES.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
REGINA CRIES.
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So tell her to stop.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
We should trade D. Moore to Cincinnati for our 2nd round pick back.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
BTW, Josh Norris from nfl.com has the Raiders taking Sharrif Floyd, from Florida, #3 overall. Kind of a strange prediction, I think.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/josh-norris/165101
February 16th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
We should trade D. Moore to Cincinnati for our 2nd round pick back.
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I’d almost take that deal. Moore’s route-running was terrible last year.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Mcthompso Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
BTW, Josh Norris from nfl.com has the Raiders taking Sharrif Floyd, from Florida, #3 overall. Kind of a strange prediction, I think.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/josh-norris/165101
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He has Star going #2. If that happens, Floyd can be had later. Trade back and get more picks.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Mcthompso Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
BTW, Josh Norris from nfl.com has the Raiders taking Sharrif Floyd, from Florida, #3 overall. Kind of a strange prediction, I think.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/mock-drafts/josh-norris/165101
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He has Star going #2. If that happens, Floyd can be had later. Trade back and get more picks.
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My thought too. Just put that out there cause I hadn’t seen talk of that anywhere. Also, Daniel Jeremiah has us taking him with Lotulelei still on the board.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Only 3 Olinemen a lock to return:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, and Nix.
Bergstrom will be unless traded,
Brisiel will be traded or cut, unless he takes a paycut.
All others will not return, although Carlisle might at league minimum for one year again, but with his years of experience, that’s a minimum.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
I think Bergs gets a serouis look at RT next camp.
If he can’t cut the mustard there, he will be starting at one of the Guard spots.
That is Reggie’s first ever draft pick at GM. He WILL EE starting somewhere.
February 16th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
AND WHY HAVEN’T WE RELEASED ANYONE ALREADY?
February 16th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
AND WHY HAVEN’T WE RELEASED ANYONE ALREADY?
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Reggie is a deliberate man, not one of instant gratification.
February 16th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Charlie Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 11:53 am
JFB.
They have to be good picks! The guys we drafted we avreage to BAD.
First and second round picks for the last ten drafts:
2002 Phillip Buchanon, Nap Harris, Langston Walker, Doug Jolley
2003 Nnamdi, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson
2004 Robert Gallery, Jake Grove
2005 Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt
2006 Michael Huff, Thomas Howard
2007 JAMRCUS RUSSELL, Zack Miller
2008 DMAC
2009 DHB, Mike Mitchell
2010 Rolando McClain, Lamarr Houston
2011 Stefan Wiz
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Look at the Bears over that same time. Outside of the Russell pick (the worst in history) they were similiarly bad, yet they hung in at 10-6 and are always considered a contender each yr.
February 16th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
I wouldn’t look at NYG and GB and others as rushing to gratify their fanbase with these early moves and cuts. They are perennially successful organizations.
I look at it more like they know what they want and where they’re going.
It’s not hard not for an outsider to perceive Reggies inaction as nothing more than indecision. I don’t say that in a negative way…just that he probably hasn’t made up his mind on exactly what he wants to do yet.
Indecision = Not decided
February 16th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
i don’t think you have to look much further than the packers and broncos possible free agents to get an idea of who we are going to be talking to.
sam shields, ryan grant, c wood, tom crabtree, frank zombo, rob francois. GB
Jason Hunter, dan koppen, jim leonard, tracy porter, kevin vickerson, lance ball. DEN
February 16th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
I would imagine Reggie/Palmer has to get worked out first.
February 16th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
AND WHY HAVEN’T WE RELEASED ANYONE ALREADY?
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Per Rotoworld and other sources from the forbidden website: Seymour, Brisiel and Tollefson are gone, DHB may be gone, Huff’s restructuring and CP’s looking at a pay cut if he wants to stay.
February 16th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Intriguing but no thank you. Save your money, sign young players. Maybe Woodson could coach but let him go somewhere else. Do not reach back for the glory days because they are gone. Try to create your own glory days. Silver and Black needs to upgrade to Platinum and Ebony.
Corporate Raider.
February 16th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
the only former raider DB i would be ok with coming back is CJ. only because he would be cheap and has been solid at times
February 16th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
the only former raider DB i would be ok with coming back is CJ. only because he would be cheap and has been solid at times
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I would take Nnamdi back in a heatbeat.
February 16th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Brisiel and Tollefson are gone, DHB may be gone, Huff’s restructuring and CP’s looking at a pay cut if he wants to stay.
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Duck,
none of this would surprise me.
However – you failed to mention the worst 2 starters on our defense (Branch & McClain)
February 16th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I’ll pass on Routt, CJ37, Nnamdi & CWood.
I don’t want Bartell, Lee or Spencer back either … if anybody is asking
I think that Adams & Ross will be tendered.
Hanson will re-sign for vet minimum.
BigMac will draft a CB somewhere in the first 3 rounds to compete for a starting job.
Chimdi Chekwa, Cory Nelms & Akwasi Owusu-Ansah will all compete for the final 2 roster spots with a few undrafted kids.
February 16th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Brisiel and Tollefson are gone, DHB may be gone, Huff’s restructuring and CP’s looking at a pay cut if he wants to stay.
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Duck,
none of this would surprise me.
However – you failed to mention the worst 2 starters on our defense (Branch & McClain)
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McClain is almost certainly gone and Branch is almost certainly going to continue being an overpaid revolving door for the other team’s big plays.
February 16th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
themes for 2013 are GO CHEAP & GO DEEP, remember?
cross these guys off your FA wishlists:
Brent Grimes
Terrence McGee
Tracy Porter
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Aqib Talib
Marcus Trufant
February 16th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Branch is almost certainly going to continue being an overpaid revolving door for the other team’s big plays.
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Redia,
Huff & Branch are both overpaid underachievers in my eyes. Problem is, one just restructured to vet minimum last offseason and the other just signed a brand new contract to be paid like one of the NFL’s best at his position.
cutting or trading either of them would be quite costly, no?
February 16th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
I don’t think Bergstrom is a RT. Why would they bring in Smith and insert him when Barnes went down?
It would be great if Bergstrom could play center. Let him battle it out with Parsons for backup C/G.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I don’t think Bergstrom is a RT. Why would they bring in Smith and insert him when Barnes went down?
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Bergs was a zbs RT in college.
Allen, Knapp & Pollack had him working all offseason at LG & RG … backing up both spots until Barnes got injured
then it was like “uh oh, now what?”
Willie Smith had starting experience as a zbs tackle from the Redskins. Nobody knew how bad he was going to suck.
then when he starting playing the matador role, Bergs starting working at both guard & tackle in practice.
the coaching staff was so inept last offseason. They should have just penciled in Bergs as a RT and let him compete with Barnes. If he lost out, he’d be the backup. If Barnes gets hurt or his play stinks, Bergs is ready to assume the starting role.
They did the same thing with Leinart & Pryor. Everybody knew that Leinart sucked. He was a system fit with experience though, so he got the nod over a guy that was unproven.
sorry but in both cases I’ll take the unproven guy over the guy who’s a system fit who has PROVEN he sucks as a football player!!
February 16th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
I am so ready for the Raiders and the new more competent coaching staff than last years to get it on the field. For some odd reason I think the decision making process will be more competent by far. It is in their hands. Big Mac and DA want to win now. Last year was a joke. This year is business.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Reggie says he wants to build this the right way, but if that means grabbing trash from other teams and giving them an opportunity over the guys that were drafted by OAKLAND that need development … I’d say we’re building this the wrong way
more examples … Juron Criner got less playing time than Hagan
I didn’t see Crawford all year, after he was beasting all offseason at camp & OTA’s
Why save a roster spot for Travis Goethel if he sucks at long snapping and he’s not going to be considered for playing time when #55 blows both on and off the field?? we had to go get Gaither off the street
February 16th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
634 & 636, RRS good, solid points.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Big Mac and DA want to win now
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thats all fine & good, as long as we don’t have to mortgage the future.
I want to see Reggie continue this trend of kicking out the overpaid underachievers and stockpiling draft picks
no more scholarships. no more “out of whack” contracts!!
February 16th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
638. RRS you’re on fire.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Big Mac and DA want to win now
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thats all fine & good, as long as we don’t have to mortgage the future.
I want to see Reggie continue this trend of kicking out the overpaid underachievers and stockpiling draft picks
no more scholarships. no more “out of whack” contracts!!
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Yeah, then Palmer should be gone.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Big Mac and DA want to win now
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thats all fine & good, as long as we don’t have to mortgage the future.
I want to see Reggie continue this trend of kicking out the overpaid underachievers and stockpiling draft picks
no more scholarships. no more “out of whack” contracts!!
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If Reggie was kicking out the overpaid underachievers he would have to relieve himself…..
Failure to realize that his coaching staff is completely over matched signals that he too is in no way competent in his position.
Gentlemen, as you were.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Oh, with Palmer it will NOT be a “restructure” as some have been saying. It will have to be a PAY CUT and new contract. Kind of like what Vick did. Don’t see that happening though because of what Palmer is owed. Easier to just cut him.
February 16th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Gentlemen, as you were.
641. Backstageatapuppetshow.
Bringing back some civility to this blog.
I salute you sir.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Best players in this years draft are OL/DLINEMEN, not playmakers.
Best one us Allen, WR, Cal; worthy of the 8th spot at best.
Draft best player available:
1- Warmack
2- Joeckel
3) Fisher;
We’ll either have the best LT, LG, C unit or best LT/RT combo in the NFL.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Palmer should be gone
Oh, with Palmer it will NOT be a “restructure” as some have been saying. It will have to be a PAY CUT and new contract. Kind of like what Vick did. Don’t see that happening though because of what Palmer is owed. Easier to just cut him.
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Raid,
I agree. Palmer has to rip up his existing contract and sign a 1-year deal for a lot less money if he wants to remain a Raider.
I think it is cheaper to cut him than trade him. If you cut him, you can spread the cap hit over 2 years. If you trade, it becomes due immediately. I guess it depends on what the trade compensation is. That would be the deciding factor imo
February 16th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Retribution,
I don’t see us going O-Line in RD1, RD2 or RD3
we hired Olson & Sparano to fix the offense.
if system/scheme saves the running game, you gotta think that means O-Liners and not just RB’s … right?
February 16th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
The Oline was just fine in 2011, they’re going back to that style.
Star.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
I don’t think Bergstrom is a RT. Why would they bring in Smith and insert him when Barnes went down?
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It was week 3 of his rookie year, and the other guy had some starting experience.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/16/3996462/the-oakland-raiders-should-look-into-signing-detroit-lions-restricted-free-agent-cliff-avril
February 16th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Can Palmer “rip up his contract”?
Does that mean the signing bonus from last year gets prorated all up front still?
I think we just can him.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Vehldeer will be an UFA next offseason, which means we need to be under the cap to give him either long term contract which he has earned or franchise him, which we will need to do.
Cut everyone we need to cut now, take the hit this year, not a single one them is getting us to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
shrek wants but he cant do…
February 16th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Posted this elsewhere, posting here too…
Most important positions imo, even with the game changing…
OL > QB > DL/LB > HB > WR > CB/SS/FS > TE > KI > KR/PR > FB > PU > LS
Or more detailed…
LT > QB > C > RDE > NT > UT > LDE > RT > LG/RG > MLB/ILB > OLB > HB > FL > SE > SL > LCB > RCB > NB > SS > FS > TE > KI > KR > FB > PR > PU > LS
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And some points other people made elsewhere…
“ravens OL most of the season was troublesome, but when they sorted it out pre-playoffs, it was playing at an elite caliber, flacco oodles of time, big contributor to his success too”
“A star QB will always overcome shoddy Oline play, but for 80% of the league, it’s pretty key.”
“teams running balanced or smash-mouth football especially require a dominant OL to be effective in that”
February 16th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
on paper, DT is our biggest need.
Seymour’s contract was voided, Kelly leads the league in penalties & Bryant is an unrestricted free agent.
Bilukidi did next to nothing as a rookie late rounder.
if Bryant gets re-signed and Houston moves inside, that changes things..
February 16th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Palmer gets the first 3 games next year. At whatever salary they agree to.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
NT or CB at 3.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
The NFL is a free market, so thus the free market (salaries) pretty much tell you what positions are most important.
QB then prob pass-rusher, LT, CB, WR.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Can Palmer “rip up his contract”?
Does that mean the signing bonus from last year gets prorated all up front still?
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JFB,
if it means signing a new one, yes. I think so
otherwise what do you think the Eagles did with Vick’s previous 6-year $100 million contract ??
February 16th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Back in the day, Rookies didnt have to go up against grown men right away
February 16th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
REALLIONAIREB Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 8:20 am
According to Not That Noise of SB Nation, very few first-round picks even make one Pro Bowl appearance throughout their career. The current average is 1.4 first-round Pro Bowl selections per draft class.
This is what I mean when I say the draft is a crap shoot.
ComOnSeven!!!
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But I thought Hue Jackson mortgaged our future for all time by giving up those two picks?
February 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
The NFL is a free market, so thus the free market (salaries) pretty much tell you what positions are most important.
QB then prob pass-rusher, LT, CB, WR.
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JFB,
if you’re a team lacking basically EVERYTHING, where do you even begin?
RD1 = trade down TWICE !!
by the way, I saw what you posted about the Jets draft and Sanchez. I would still make the trade.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
otherwise what do you think the Eagles did with Vick’s previous 6-year $100 million contract ??
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I think all but like $3 million of the guarantees were gone, and not sure about the pro-ration of his signing bonus.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Houston and Bryant inside would be a disaster.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
I think the Palmer trade ultimately got Hue fired.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
by the way, I saw what you posted about the Jets draft and Sanchez. I would still make the trade.
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Really?
Trade down 12 spots, for a 2nd and three veteran scrubs that just gives away some of the cap space you save in the trade down?
Pass.
I like more of what the Bucs did, trade down just a couple of spots, get a still top-flight guy (they got Mark Barron, a future perenniel PB’er) and snagged a 4th rounder.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
When’s the last time Houston played inside?
4 years ago in the Big 12?
Why would we think that would work?
February 16th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
What up nation, J hill you still networking for a cb with our #3 pick huh? not gonna happen bro it wont help us how can it when he will have to cover for more than 7 seconds with our lack of pass rush. And JFB still talkn that trash about canning Palmer huh? When Palmer balls out this year in the new scheme that fits him and the rest of the team you’ll change your tune, that is if Pryor doesnt beat him out with the zone read scheme, could happen.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Why would we think that would work?
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We don’t.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:42 pm
J Hill Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
Houston and Bryant inside would be a disaster.
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Move Houston inside on obvious passing downs.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Why is it that drafting a CB at 3 = thinking the pass rush is fine as is?
February 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Move Houston inside on obvious passing downs.
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No!!!!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Get Palmer a ground game and he will beast out in 2013
February 16th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
There is no way we r taking Milliner with the third pick that is ridiculous love the guy he’s really good but with the third pick u gotta be FCKING kidding me.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Houston played inside a bit last year. As a one gapper.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
I think the Palmer trade ultimately got Hue fired.
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That was nice of Mark. Especially since HE HAD TO APPROVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
J Hill Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Move Houston inside on obvious passing downs.
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No!!!!!!
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and why not? he’s very quick on the inside would be a problem for guards.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
I think the Palmer trade ultimately got Hue fired.
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ur a moron and an old troll
February 16th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
East,
Because his best position in outside on the left.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Exactly.
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Charlie Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Gdog.
Agreed.
Anyone that says that about line play does not understand the game.
Ray Lewis made the point best:
Ray Lewis made his point clear. Ten days before Saturday’s NFL Draft, he went on ESPN and said his Baltimore Ravens needed to draft a run-stuffing nose tackle in the first round. His former teammate, Maake Kemoeatu, a 350-pound nose tackle, had signed as a free agent with Carolina.
Without a big man in front of him, Lewis complained, he could not make plays. “If I’m not being used right,” he said, “you might as well let me go.”
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
We will never be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents.
Taken to another extreme, we will not be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team.
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. We are not likely to find premier or at least very good lineman in the fifth to seventh round or packing out at Wal Mart THAT ARE BETTER THAN WHAT OTHER NFL TEAMS HAVE.
We need to build OUR CORE through the draft and expend enough high round draft picks on lineman to ensure superior line play. The way the Raiders used to do it. You build the core of your team through the draft especially with the rookie cap in place. You use FA’s for niche pieces to buy time or plug a hole.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
I think the Palmer trade ultimately got Hue fired.
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That was nice of Mark. Especially since HE HAD TO APPROVE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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Before Wolf, Madden, Reggie had a chance to talk to him
February 16th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
If we move Houston to a position where he has had ZERO success in this league means 1) we need a new LDE and 2) we may be creating another problem with a subpar DT.
February 16th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
And JFB still talkn that trash about canning Palmer huh? When Palmer balls out this year in the new scheme that fits him and the rest of the team you’ll change your tune
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I certainly will, and you are more then welcome to give me ish over it.
But for now, I see no reason to keep him.
Not much tread left on those tires, and he has gone stale.
2013 = Code Freshnes!!!!
February 16th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
Reggie and DA have said publicly that the team really needs pass rushers, and with the some very good ones available I can’t seem them doing anything else.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Houston inside on passing downs occasionally I can see.
Just not trying to be a DT stopping the run.
We brought him in to “Beat up on Tight Ends” if I remember correctly, not sure how much he beat them up to consider thinking he is ready to move up to beating up OG’s.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
You are all crazy if you think Palmer is going to take a pay cut to stay with the raiders……Palmer will get his 15M this year whether it be from the raiders or someone else…..he is the guy with the upper hand……he may be willing to restructure to stay with the team…..or I should say stay in California… But he can stick to his guns and get paid or force the team to cut him….either way its a win-win for Palmer……if he gets cut he gets to pick the right situation for himself and I guaranty he still commands a big signing bonus….you don’t think the chiefs would love to have him….how bout the jets…..it’s only the idiots on this site that want to hand the offense over to a guy who in reality had a terrible performance in the final game of the season……
February 16th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
If we move Houston to a position where he has had ZERO success in this league
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Can you provide any breakdowns between his snaps at LDE & DT?
February 16th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
DA cut his teeth on being a DB coach.
And the presser from him at the Senior Bowl seemed to talk a lot about fixing the secondary.
Milner at #3 is a distinct possibility, and even greater so if we trade down.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
00tt00 Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
You are all crazy if you think Palmer is going to take a pay cut to stay with the raiders……Palmer will get his 15M this year whether it be from the raiders or someone else…..he is the guy with the upper hand……he may be willing to restructure to stay with the team…..or I should say stay in California… But he can stick to his guns and get paid or force the team to cut him….either way its a win-win for Palmer……if he gets cut he gets to pick the right situation for himself and I guaranty he still commands a big signing bonus….you don’t think the chiefs would love to have him….how bout the jets…..it’s only the idiots on this site that want to hand the offense over to a guy who in reality had a terrible performance in the final game of the season……
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Truth
February 16th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
DA cut his teeth on being a DB coach.
And the presser from him at the Senior Bowl seemed to talk a lot about fixing the secondary.
Milner at #3 is a distinct possibility, and even greater so if we trade down.
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The good news is, that the Raiders hired experienced coaches this year to surround DA.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Palmer will get his 15M this year whether it be from the raiders or someone else…..he is the guy with the upper hand
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None of that $13 million (not 15) is guaranteed, and thus he has no hand.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Vehldeer will be an UFA next offseason, which means we need to be under the cap to give him either long term contract which he has earned or franchise him, which we will need to do.
Cut everyone we need to cut now, take the hit this year, not a single one them is getting us to the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl.
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Wasn’t aware of that. Walk the plank scrububusses!
February 16th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
….you don’t think the chiefs would love to have him….
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I don’t think the Chiefs would even consider him.
Reid always has, wanted guys that can move around.
He has also never started a 34 year old QB before and moved McNabb after age 33.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
I’ve seen DA 1 year. I have no idea who he is, or what he brings to the table. The secondary?
February 16th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Vehldeer will be an UFA next offseason, which means we need to be under the cap to give him either long term contract which he has earned or franchise him, which we will need to do.
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That could be a major problem. I was counting on being able to franchise DMac next offseason if he played well this year. Can’t do that if we need to franchise Veldheer.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Palmer will get his 15M this year whether it be from the raiders or someone else…..he is the guy with the upper hand
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None of that $13 million (not 15) is guaranteed, and thus he has no hand.
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It’s guaranteed if he’s on the team…if they don’t want to pay him they will have to cut him…..then he will be free for the open bidding….and that bidding including signing bonus will get him his money this year
February 16th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
The Jets absolutely would be interested, being their coaching staff is in a win or get lost deal.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
At least next off season we’ll have that new USFL league to help pass the time in the offseason.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
There is not going to be some type of “bidding war” for Carson Palmer.
Who is going to go crazy for him?
Cardinals and Jets, that’s about it. Jax, Tenn and Minny already said they are sticking with their young guy, he does’t fit Reid and KC’s offense at all.
Not many other open QB spots for him, and he certainly won’t even get the type of contract Vick just signed.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Franchising a LT can be pretty costly.
Talking probably close to 13-15 million for one year I would think.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Palmer stays, at a reduced salary. He’s got the first 3 games to show.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Another good post…
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
WTF are you guys arguing about ?
There isn’t any position or unit that ISN’T important.
Every year at this time, the ‘draft for need’ or ‘draft the BPA’, denate rears it’s head.
The general consensus is draft the BPA.
Now we’re arguing which position we should draft ?
Got news for you, this fkng team has so many holes I don’t give a rat’s azz what positions we draft – just so long as we get some real players.
Yeah, yeah, I get it, when the RAIDS were kicking tail in the 70’s and 80’s they had drafted an awesome OL.
But guess what ?
They also drafted Stabler, Branch, Allen, Hayes, Tatum Bilitnikoff, Guy. Acquired Hendricks, Haynes, Brown, Plunk.
What I’m telling you is that you’ve got to have the TOTAL PACKAGE.
There’s no set formula or singular way to do it.
Has to come throuugh good drafting, shrewd FA signings, trades, and even waiver wire pick ups.
There’s an art to building a TEAM too.
Pretty hard to win it all with just rookies or inexperienced guys. Generally need a few vets that have been through the wars and proven themselves.
And you need a fkng HC whose best asset isn’t his pert little A cups.
Since Regina is crying about not having the room to do much in free agency, that peckerhead better deliver in the draft. I don’t care what positions he drafts. Just get some fkng PLAYERS.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
So it would be a little less, Clady just got franchised at 10 million.
Will go up next year, probably around the 11 million range.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
DA cut his teeth on being a DB coach.
And the presser from him at the Senior Bowl seemed to talk a lot about fixing the secondary.
Milner at #3 is a distinct possibility, and even greater so if we trade down.
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The good news is, that the Raiders hired experienced coaches this year to surround DA.
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Exactly. That move surprised me…getting Sanders and Sparano. Imo that’s a good sign. Glad that he’s not scared to bring on some experienced guys.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Palmer stays, at a reduced salary. He’s got the first 3 games to show.
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I can see that if we don’t draft a QB.
But Reggie and almost every new GM, wants to hitch their wagon to THEIR guy.
Carson isn’t their guy.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
701: 100%
February 16th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Also another good point, tho unfortunately, i think reggie’s ‘MO’ is already apparent with his transactions in 2012.
However, I do like reggie saying it’s all about the big uglies, getting back to dominating the trenches on both sides of the ball.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Reggie says he wants to build this the right way, but if that means grabbing trash from other teams and giving them an opportunity over the guys that were drafted by OAKLAND that need development … I’d say we’re building this the wrong way
February 16th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
I think if DA had his choice, Knapp would still be here.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Why would you say that KoolKell?
You don’t think DA was frustrated with the offense last year too?
February 16th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Another good post…am pumped like i was for XFL, UFL, old USFL. Because often the dominant league can ruin itself as we’re seeing goodell/owners do with the rules of the game, the fines, etc.
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DJ Johnny Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
At least next off season we’ll have that new USFL league to help pass the time in the offseason.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
I think if DA had his choice, Knapp would still be here.
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agreed. da was sticking to his guns all year, and only changed his tune from pressure above. i dont have much faith in him. he might change, but he seems more the consistent/strict/stick to your guns type.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
If DA had his “choice”, Krapp would have never been hired.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
Why would you say that KoolKell?
You don’t think DA was frustrated with the offense last year too?
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I don’t think DA could find an O with both hands in his back pockets.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Millner at 3 would be a grave mistake and Reggie has stated he wants to win up front, while this doesnt mean he will pick Warmack like I hope but it does mean Millner is out of the loop esp at 3. With that being said Ill listen to anybody who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Well he just got the Jets OC and a former HC who coached in a playoff game to be his O-line coach.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
I think if DA had his choice, Knapp would still be here.
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Not true. He knows how bad the offense was and knows that was 100% his responsibility. He’s a smart guy who knows what changes had to be made.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
GG Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
I think if DA had his choice, Knapp would still be here.
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agreed. da was sticking to his guns all year, and only changed his tune from pressure above. i dont have much faith in him. he might change, but he seems more the consistent/strict/stick to your guns type.
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Yep, only he doesn’t know much, it seems.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Vehldeer will be an UFA next offseason, which means we need to be under the cap to give him either long term contract which he has earned or franchise him, which we will need to do.
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That could be a major problem. I was counting on being able to franchise DMac next offseason if he played well this year. Can’t do that if we need to franchise Veldheer.
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If McFadden was worth it, they would have already worked out a contract extension for him. What have we seen with McFadden? An oft injured, mediocre player. They are going to let him play out his contract. Next.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Well he just got the Jets OC and a former HC who coached in a playoff game to be his O-line coach.
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And he got a guy who would have been an above-average DC candidate to be a position coach.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
If McFadden was worth it, they would have already worked out a contract extension for him. What have we seen with McFadden? An oft injured, mediocre player. They are going to let him play out his contract. Next.
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But he played well two years ago. And if he plays well this year, we could just franchise him. If he plays well in 2014, franchise him again. After that he’ll no doubt be used up and we can just throw him away with no future commitment.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Warmack would have an instant impact on this team from day 1 and to put him next to Veldeer would be a devastating duo on the left side and DMC would def approve.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Well he just got the Jets OC and a former HC who coached in a playoff game to be his O-line coach.
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And he got a guy who would have been an above-average DC candidate to be a position coach.
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Ohhhhh really?
February 16th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Millner at 3 would be a grave mistake and Reggie has stated he wants to win up front, while this doesnt mean he will pick Warmack like I hope but it does mean Millner is out of the loop esp at 3. With that being said Ill listen to anybody who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
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Milliner is a very good player and a very good prospect but I just don’t see him as the game changer we need. Reggie needs to hit a home run or two in this draft. There is no other way around it.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
With that being said Ill listen to anybody who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
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Have you not watched our pass defense the last two years? We sat franchise records for ineptness.
Only 11 picks last year, none the first month of the season, and the 3rd highest QBR allowed.
Many, many holes on the team, including major ones in the secondary.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
If McFadden was worth it, they would have already worked out a contract extension for him. What have we seen with McFadden? An oft injured, mediocre player. They are going to let him play out his contract. Next.
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But he played well two years ago.
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That seems to be the classic case of McFadden tho. He has one good game and evaporates for the next five. He has had one good year in four.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
With that being said Ill listen to anybody who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
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Have you not watched our pass defense the last two years? We sat franchise records for ineptness.
Only 11 picks last year, none the first month of the season, and the 3rd highest QBR allowed.
Many, many holes on the team, including major ones in the secondary.
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Like I said ill listen to anyone who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
How could Millner make an impact with no pass rush? you expect him to cover for 7 seconds or more? yeah right he’ll be toast just like the rest of our DB’s.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
The secondary will be much better with a tiny bit of pass rush. Demontre Moore, Andre Carter, looking your way here.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
Warmack would be an insant upgrade, and wouldn’t mind him if we traded down first.
Would be a lot of pressure on him if taken #3, that would make him one of the highest paid Guards in the league, and one of the few if only guards taken #3 overall.
Milner, Smith, Mingo at #3, probably wouldn’t even be in the top 20 paid at their position.
#3 this year should be around 4 years/22 million, 13 million signing bonus.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
Like I said ill listen to anyone who can explain how Millner would have an impact in year 1.
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OK…..he would be the best cover guy, blitzer and tackler in our secondary.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
There is not going to be some type of “bidding war” for Carson Palmer.
Who is going to go crazy for him?
Cardinals and Jets, that’s about it. Jax, Tenn and Minny already said they are sticking with their young guy, he does’t fit Reid and KC’s offense at all.
Not many other open QB spots for him, and he certainly won’t even get the type of contract Vick just signed.
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Cars-bills-jags-browns-chiefs……maybe even some surprises like fins-bucs-skins-titans-rams-vikes
If teams feel the young guy is holding the team back and their HC job is on the line there could be a surprise
February 16th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
Sam & Mista.
If you don’t like reading my titty monkey posts, don’t, and stop biotching and STFU.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Plenty of times last year, we saw teams throw 2 yard passes that went for big gainers because our DB’s couldn’t tackle.
That is supposedly Milner’s best strength.
Of course a pass-rush will help, and it will be addressed as well.
But Blaine Gabbert didn’t get “7 seconds” before he went over the top of our D for a TD. He literally finished his drop, threw it as far as he could, and some scrub WR burnt our WR and Safety.
Happened all the time.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Chico lost his mind.
You think we can afford to draft an interior OL with our 1st round pick when we don’t have a pass rusher, starting CB, solid DTs, and enough LBs?
February 16th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
Cars-bills-jags-browns-chiefs……maybe even some surprises like fins-bucs-skins-titans-rams-vikes
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Bucs got Freeman for one more year, not happening.
Vikes, Titans, Jaqs have publicly committed to their young QB.
Rams aren’t messing with Bradford.
Browns just drafted Weeden, who outplayed Carson.
Same with Miami and Tannehill.
Carson is not a fit in Reid’s KC offense.
Redskins?? Ok now your are getting crazy.
Cardinals, Bills and Jets. That will be his options probably.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
You think we can afford to draft an interior OL with our 1st round pick when we don’t have a pass rusher, starting CB, solid DTs, and enough LBs?
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Not at #3, but with a trade down I can see it.
Warmack does have value, as the #1 prospect at his position, and a position of need as well for us.
Not my 1st or 2nd option, but I wouldn’t be mad at that pick.
Just don’t think it would really help us much in 2013. Guards are the lowest paid position in the NFL for a reason.
They don’t make impacts.
February 16th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
i did read that article about picking up Cliff Avril for around 14-16 mil a year. as much as it is expensive we were paying seymour that amount. Houston, Bryant, Star, Avril would be money if we stay 4-3
February 16th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Even with a trade down that is a luxury that we can’t afford at this point.
Pass rushers, DTs, and CBs are more important than OG based on their salaries which reflects their value in the NFL.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Pass rushers, DTs, and CBs are more important than OG based on their salaries which reflects their value in the NFL.
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I don’t disagree.
I just don’t want to trade down, then get someone that is the 4th best prospect at their postion and turns into Aaron Maybin.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
Committing publicly doesn’t mean anything….especially once an established qb comes available without having to give up draft picks
Freeman play has degraded and he is holding the team back
I wouldn’t expect vikes to do anything with ponder considering how he finished the year….but during the course of last year he was the one being blamed for holding them back
Locker and gabbert are garbage
Bradford can’t stay healthy
If rgiii is not ready he may take a year off
February 16th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I just don’t want to trade down, then get someone that is the 4th best prospect at their postion and turns into Aaron Maybin.
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What? That makes no sense bro.
What if its a srong DE class and the 4th best DE prospect is better than the best OG prospect, the best TE prospect, etc….
February 16th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
What? That makes no sense bro.
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It’s this funky weighted-value thingy I have made up in my head.
I don’t want to be picking #7 overall, and get the 3rd or 4th best prospect at a position, no matter how strong the group is “perceived” to be.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Committing publicly doesn’t mean anything….
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You seem to think it means a lot as it pertains to us and Carson Palmer.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
Freeman sucks and so does Vick
February 16th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Having one guy on a DLine that demands a double team changes everything.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Is Reggie the type to sign an Avril? Could this be his Charles Woodson, so to speak?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
I don’t know if I would expect any high value Free Agent signings. Louis Vasquez, a three year guy who is solid and dependable might be a nice addition. + it completely screws with an already reeling Discharger Oline.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Is Reggie the type to sign an Avril? Could this be his Charles Woodson, so to speak?
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What kind of tender is Avril likely to have?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
What? That makes no sense bro.
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It’s this funky weighted-value thingy I have made up in my head.
I don’t want to be picking #7 overall, and get the 3rd or 4th best prospect at a position, no matter how strong the group is “perceived” to be.
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Rarely I agree with O, but yea. Thats pretty stupid. Even for you.
Yea, lets not draft Rothy… he’s the third QB taken.. no way he’s any good!!
You are sweating happenstance now?
Is there ANY stupid thought that pops into your head you don’t feel the need to share with us?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Have you not watched our pass defense the last two years? We sat franchise records for ineptness.
Only 11 picks last year, none the first month of the season, and the 3rd highest QBR allowed.
Many, many holes on the team, including major ones in the secondary.
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Due to lack of pass rush, Millner would not change those stats imo he is not an elite prospect at db, tough yeah, physical yeah, shutdown corner not so much
February 16th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
Looks like The Raiders are getting Captain Munnerlyn or Gamble from the panthers.
Serviceable. Not bad.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
Yea, lets not draft Rothy… he’s the third QB taken.. no way he’s any good!!
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The 3rd guy (at QB no less; not exactly something I would be opposed to) at #11 is a lot different than my example of 4th best at #7 isn’t it?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Sir RaiderDuck, OMS Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Is Reggie the type to sign an Avril? Could this be his Charles Woodson, so to speak?
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What kind of tender is Avril likely to have?
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In the range of 10 million, I believe. But the Lions have indicated they won’t use their franchise tag this year. Avril is widely believed to be hitting the free agent market.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
There is like one or two shutdown corners in the whole world.
Not expecting that, just someone who doesn’t make Blaine Gabbert to Cecil Shorts look like Montana to Rice.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Not expecting that, just someone who doesn’t make Blaine Gabbert to Cecil Shorts look like Montana to Rice.
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LOL. Yeah, that was pretty bad. Though, to be fair, Shorts went on to have a decent season after we made him feel like he was Jerry Rice.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
We’d actually be considered by Avril too. He’s used to being on a loser and has indicated he’ll go to the highest bidder. Which means we have a chance unless a Buffalo comes along and throws the franchise at him.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Warmack does have value, as the #1 prospect at his position, and a position of need as well for us.
Not my 1st or 2nd option, but I wouldn’t be mad at that pick.
Just don’t think it would really help us much in 2013. Guards are the lowest paid position in the NFL for a reason.
They don’t make impacts.
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So how much value did Hutchison have to Seattle? when he left SAlexander fell off immediately. How about Waters and all his dominant years in KC what about those dominant guards on those HOF lines in Dallas in the 90’s how about those dominant guards for the 9ers this year. Guards are not in the spotlight and they dont get the recogniion they should but guys like Gene Upsshaw and others would beg to differ with your stance on guards.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Is Reggie the type to sign an Avril? Could this be his Charles Woodson, so to speak?
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You guys might be over rating Avril. He is a good edge rusher, not real good run stopper, and remember they also had Suh and Vanden Bosch on their line. Avril benefited from Detroit having those two guys. Not sure he could be “the guy”.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Bring back Woodson? Jesus fkn Christ son.Cork makes about as much sense as bottom lip and his tranny these days.Jeff Hostetler has about as much of a chance as Woodson returning here.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Looks like The Raiders are getting Captain Munnerlyn or Gamble from the panthers.
Serviceable. Not bad.
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huh?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
First overall pick in 2014.Book it.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
remember they also had Suh and Vanden Bosch on their line
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True that. If we can get him for the right price, I wouldn’t complain. But he’s certainly not worth what he’s hoping for (Mario Williams type deal), no way.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
You need good guards to have a dominant run game not to say they have to be picked in the first round but there needed none the less.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
I would PREFER Freeney over Avril
February 16th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
irjonny Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
Looks like The Raiders are getting Captain Munnerlyn or Gamble from the panthers.
Serviceable. Not bad.
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huh?
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I was gonna ask where that came from.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Oakfshow Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
First overall pick in 2014.Book it.
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If so, the Double Agent is toast. Mark won’t put up with another year like this. 4th easiest schedule? DA better produce 2-3 more victories.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
You guys talking about the Lions and isn’t it strange that they are a 4-12 team?
Dline with Suh and Fairly…’franchise’ qb in Stafford with Megatron to throw to?
How are the Lions this bad?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
So when we had a dominant running game in 2010 and 2011, who were our world class guards?
February 16th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Wiz was excellent as a guard.
February 16th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Steve Hutchinson won two playoff games in his career, and his team missed the playoffs 7 of the 11 years he played.
And he was awesome!!!
#17 pick in the draft as well. If we could trade down anwyhere to there and STILL get Warmack, I would be elated.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Brian Waters, won one playoff game in his final NFL season.
First 11 seasons in the NFL, 2 playoff births, zero playoff wins.
He was undrafted as well, so not sure why you put him in this convo.
Quick, who were the Super Bowl winning guards for the Steelers and Packers super bowl teams?
February 16th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
How are the Lions this bad?
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Terrible locker-room guys.
Although they did make the playoffs in 2011, Stafford’s 3rd year in the league.
Schwartz has no control over that mess.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Bleacher Report basically deduced that the Lions regressing to 4-12 last season was due to “bad luck”.
They go from playoff team to 4-12 and even improve their defensive and offensive stats.
Their special teams stunk and they lost the turnover battle though.
Talented team but 4-12? Bad luck?
February 16th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Palmer stays, at a reduced salary. He’s got the first 3 games to show.
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Reduced Salary? Vick is getting a base of $3.5 mil with incentives. Down form $15 mil a year. That’s a good gauge in this situation.
Palmer’s base right now is $13 mil. What is Palmer worth? Not even $3.5 mil. First big hit Palmer will be out anyways so they should just save the money and the time. Cut him and move on.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Wiz wasn’t on the 2010, top 3 rushing offense.
I don’t even remember who the other starting guard next to Savage was.
Was that still the soon to be out of the NFL Bob Gallery?
February 16th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Just got done watching the Charger game for the second time.pryor not that bad for first start concidering wet ball and field.Could have a future as long as he continues to improve on accuracy.Would have loved to see him play without the wet conditions on first game.Passes the eye test and has winner written all over him.I know I will take beating for these comments,but who gives a sht.Im usually right anyway.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
774.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Wiz wasn’t on the 2010, top 3 rushing offense.
I don’t even remember who the other starting guard next to Savage was.
Was that still the soon to be out of the NFL Bob Gallery?
Wiz needs to be moved to guard or at least bring in a center to compete.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
2 chainz and Fallout Boys.
That was…….interesting.
I got Terrence Ross in the dunk contest, dude can fly.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Wiz wasn’t on the 2010, top 3 rushing offense.
I don’t even remember who the other starting guard next to Savage was.
Was that still the soon to be out of the NFL Bob Gallery?
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Gallery and Satele made a huge difference. The two guys every one here hated.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
I think Bledsoe wins the dunk contest
February 16th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Bidding war for Palmer ?
If that’s the case, shouldn’t be too hard to trade him.
Surely one of the teams thinking about engaging in a bidding war to obtain his services would be willing to part with a draft pick to make sure they win the war, right ?
I mean, since CP3 is such a hot commodity and since someone’s going to wind up paying him a ton of dough after a bidding war anyway – why not just ship a pick to Regina and seal the deal ?
A high 3rd from Az sounds good, a 2nd would be really sweet, but I doubt that’s attainable for an immobile, soon to be 34 year old QB with a shot elbow.
But Zona’s got to be desperate to get someone to get the rock to Fitz, and they did trade for Kolb, so they just might be dumb enough…
Course, Regina better act quickly bcz once camp opens and the word gets out that CP3 isn’t throwing any harder than Chad Pennington (he hasn’t since his excellent game against Pittsburgh), it’s going to be even more difficult to move him.
Don’t know why so many posters here are scared of going into 2013 sans CP3.
I say the RAIDS can win more games with TP6 throwing for 2500 yards than they would with CP3 throwing for 4000.
And even if they can’t, so what ?
It’s time to make a move, the end for CP is on the horizon.
Whatever draft picks and cap relief that can be salvaged for him, should be.
If TP totally stinks as so many of you insist he does, then we’ll draft a QB in 2014 or find a replacement then.
What ? You think it’s realistic that Palmer is still playing in 2015 ?
I don’t.
Just doesn’t make sense to keep CP3 around.
Not if the goal is building a sustainable winner and putting another Lombardi in the trophy case.
Can’t be timid about making changes when you nearly go 0-16.
The 2012 4-12 record might have been the weakest 4 win season ever.
Jiminy Crickets, let’s make a move !
February 16th, 2013 at 7:25 pm
I’m on board getting rid of Palmer
February 16th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
dammit bledsoe
February 16th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
U know these NBA dudes got money on some of these props…kyrie winning the 3pt contest was definitely a surprise.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:31 pm
Which Raider would win a slam dunk competition ?
TP6 would probably be favored.
I like Taiwan as the dark horse.
Debo thinks it’s JaMoron.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Run heavy offense for us in ‘13 is the way to go. That’s why I really like the Sparano hiring. Hope we can resemble something he had his first year as HC in Miami.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
JFB great olinemen are great olinemen it doesnt matter where they were drafted or how many playoffs games the won, circumstances has a lot to do with wins etc. Tony Gonzalez is arguably the greatest TE ever how many playoff games did he win? thank you, you cant help who you play for and Brian Waters or Steve Hutchinson are no different.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
You guys talking about the Lions and isn’t it strange that they are a 4-12 team?
Dline with Suh and Fairly…’franchise’ qb in Stafford with Megatron to throw to?
How are the Lions this bad?
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OL, RB, DBs, LBs, Discipline, Coaching
February 16th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Don’t like our O-line depth, nor the starters. Need some bulk there.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Lions underachieved like the talented Raider teams here in early 90’s.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Chance Warmack would be the perfect pick for this team even at 3 overall he would easily have the biggest impact of any rookie we pick esp sine we are moving back to the pbs. It would be great if we could also pick up Barret Jones from AL too that would alow us to move Wiz to RG and cut Brisel or keep him as a backup. or on second thought we could put Barret Jones at RT since he played LT the year before and won the Outland trophy.
February 16th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
LT- Veldy is solid
LG- Coop is likely gone. Bergs is a question mark.
C- Wiz is solid
RG- Briesel is overpaid, not a system fit and wasn’t good at all last year. That backup C/G I’m forgetting the name of is also in the mix, but should remain a backup.
RT- Barnes, meh.
I would be 100% fine with Warmack/Joekel at 3. Pass rusher would be cool too, but I just want the best player on the board.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
I got Terrence Ross in the dunk contest, dude can fly.
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Nice call vegas
February 16th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Pac 12 in the house, Ross from u dub.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
That was such an awful dunk contest, everything was off, announcers all screwed, weird music playing over Mrs. Carey trying to talk/
I think U of New Mexico could have staged a better event.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
I like Ross’ overall game as well, think he has a much higher ceiling than Harrison Barnes.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Vehldeer is a top tier LT, no one is saying replace him, Raiders would simply have two elite OTs, rookie at RT, should Vehldeer continue to improve and Joeckel or Fisher beat him out then we definitely have two the top ten offensive tackles in the NFL.
Only two things I can think of that are better than that is a date with Jessica Alba or Joy Behar leaving the U.S.A. forever.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
Surely one of the teams thinking about engaging in a bidding war to obtain his services would be willing to part with a draft pick to make sure they win the war, right ?
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LOL
Well played RM99.
BTW, I don’t know who would win our dunk contest, but I bet Tyvone Branch would have a pre-rehearsed choreographed dance for finishing 8th.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
wow haven’t stayed in for a Saturday in awhile. No more cops or amw on fox…
February 16th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Damn, it too all of about 8 minutes for that arena to completely empty out after that dunk “contest”.
That thing is hanging on by the threads.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Trade proposal:
Our #3 overall and DMac to Detroit for their #5 overall and 2nd round pick.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
East,
Ain’t getting Warmack and Jones without trading down, unless Jones has some major medical issue that knocks him down a round.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Our #3 overall and DMac to Detroit for their #5 overall and 2nd round pick.
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Interesting. I would think we would work, but hopefully we could get another late round pick this year or next with it.
Like that you bring up the Lions, lots of talk of them souring on Suh and having to restructure him and what to do, etc etc.
Wouldn’t mind some type of trade deal with him ending up coming out to Oakland.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
800,
I’d do it.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
While OG’s can have a definite impact on a line it isn’t even close to the impact that a OT can have. It’s single biggest reason they’re not nearly as coveted as a C and OT’s. A OG cannot set the edge he cannot protect the QB the way a OT can. It’s much easier to find a OG as a result. You may not get the best OG in the draft but you can get a dman good one in the mid rnds. To take a G that high is derelict. There are just much better players at much more critical areas than a G. They just don’t have that much of a demand. So teams will pass in them 2even 3 rnds before drafting one. They will take 2 OT’s and the one who cannot make it at OT can easily play OG.
I would hesitate to draft a G in the 1st rnd no matter how good he is unless it’s very late in the 1st rnd and the kid is just outstanding. I can get a LT or RT only and make him a G. You almost cannot go wrong in this instance. See Gallery…
In this particular draft there are some great players at serious positions of need players to use that pick on a G I would rather gamble on Ansah especially Fisher who would be much better than any G in this draft. Any OT can play OG that is not the case going from OG to OT.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Trade proposal:
Our #3 overall and DMac to Detroit for their #5 overall and 2nd round pick.
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Detroit would do that in a millisecond and it might be the worse trade I’ can think of. You’re basic going them a 3 for their 5 and tarding DMC for a 2nd. Tell me where do we get the advantage?
Just trade DMC for a 2nd and be done with it.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
I am no tsure where I stand on Ansah. Has through the roof potential, but out here you hear rumblings about needint to surround him with the “right guys” and all that. Also he wasn’t willing to play “hurt’ his first year at BYU, and just the stuff you would almost expect from someone who never played fooball.
No in between with him, IMO. He will either be JPP or Amobi Okoye.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
DMC IMHO would at least bring a 3rd and that I would do before I drop from 3 to 5 and a 2nd unless it was a very high 2nd low 1st. YOU are severely undervaluing McFadden IMO. Detroit would easily do a 2nd for DMC they don’t have a RB at all.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:51 pm
Marshall Faulk was in the middle of his HOF career, fresh off a 2,000 yards from scrimmage seaon and was traded for a 2nd rounder.
If we could get a 3rd for McFadden, with 1 year left o nhis deal BTW, I would be very, very suprised.
Maybe a mid to late 3rd, but not an early 3rd.
February 16th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Most all DE’s aren’t as effective without a good DT to eat blocks. So that almost goes without saying. if LT didn’t have a strong middle to eat blocks he would’ve been doubled and tripled every down but no one could afford to do it because their 2 DT’s were outstanding. Deacon Jones benefitted from the best Tackle tandem of his day. It goes without saying.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
You guys don’t understand how dynamic that guy is. I know the injury thing will have an affect or else I’d want a 1st. DMC in a passing game like Detroits would be lethal. Take a ton of pressure off their passing game. I personally would NOT trade him without a definite replacement. You guys fall in love with draft picks way too much. I would much prefer a player over a draft pick.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
I wouldn’t mind I guess if we took Ansah at 3, but I also wouldn’t be surpised if he just flamed ot and went on to becmoe a doctor or something after 4 years.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
DMac is an injured-prone player playing the most fungible positions on offense in the NFL, on a team that was 4-12 last year.
Temper your value expectations.
He’s worth more to us on potential than any mid to low draft pick we could muster.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:06 pm
If we had kept Mike Bush the DMC issue would’ve been much less obvious. This is the reason I said we should keep Bush which all of you said would be easy to replace. That was a foolish move, Bush is what made it easier to have a luxury like DMC. Lose Bush and it hieghtened the need for DMC to stay healthy and productive. With both, each are better.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Foster, Rice, Alfred Morris,Jamaal Charles, Frank Gore, Stevan Ridley, Rice, Green-Ellis, McCoy, DeMarco Murray, Bryce Brown
all 3rd round or lower picks.
you don’t trade a 2nd for DMac.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:13 pm
lol
Mike Goodson and Marcel Reece OUTPRODUCED Michael Bush AND did it for $7 million less.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:14 pm
I missed the part about DMAC going as well.
Actually, I would not do that trade.
I think DMAC is gonna have a comeback this yr. Imo.
IF he gets injured again and misses 4 or more games than I really don’t care to see him starting ever again and he would most likely be done as a Raider anyway.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:26 pm
I figure as another stated DMac is worth a 3rd rounder; Detroit needs an RB, even more so a LT (Fisher, Central
February 16th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Rice and McCoy were 2nd round picks.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Charlie posted this list at #508
Contracts in place when Reggie took the job:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
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That list is one of the most depressing things I’ve ever seen. God, how did we let it get to that point?
February 16th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
While OG’s can have a definite impact on a line it isn’t even close to the impact that a OT can have. It’s single biggest reason they’re not nearly as coveted as a C and OT’s. A OG cannot set the edge he cannot protect the QB the way a OT can. It’s much easier to find a OG as a result. You may not get the best OG in the draft but you can get a dman good one in the mid rnds. To take a G that high is derelict. There are just much better players at much more critical areas than a G. They just don’t have that much of a demand. So teams will pass in them 2even 3 rnds before drafting one. They will take 2 OT’s and the one who cannot make it at OT can easily play OG.
I would hesitate to draft a G in the 1st rnd no matter how good he is unless it’s very late in the 1st rnd and the kid is just outstanding. I can get a LT or RT only and make him a G. You almost cannot go wrong in this instance. See Gallery…
In this particular draft there are some great players at serious positions of need players to use that pick on a G I would rather gamble on Ansah especially Fisher who would be much better than any G in this draft. Any OT can play OG that is not the case going from OG to OT.
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Exactly.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Ogletree with a DUI.
Someone on here is always touting that guy, so that can’t help.
I would rather a player do drugs or slap around his wife tan drive drunk.
As the Dallas proved AGAIN last year, drunk drivers kill people, and ruin and screw up a generation for some families.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
And he failed a drug test at UGA?
Reggie won’t even consider him.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
Hue Jackson is The Bengals new RB coach. They are projected by a lot of folks to pick RB Lacy or best available with the 2nd rounder we gave up.
Why not trade Dmac to the bengals to reunite with Hue and get out 2nd rounder back?
February 16th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I think Detroit would just rather spend their 2nd round pick on a RB, and pay that guy the same over 4 years as to what they will have to pay McFadden this one year.
Plus, the rookie RB will have fresh NFL legs. McFadden is already on the downslope on an NFL RB’s career.
Anyone who watched him run last year and just blamed IT ALL on the ZBS is foolish. He rarely outran anyone and couldn’t break any tackles.
He has about 300 touches from being turned into glue.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
As much as I respect the opinions of some to draft a 1st round O-linemen I just don’t see that happening. I agree that the Raiders need A RT, RG, move wiz back to LG and draft a Center, but looking back at last season we all know what the biggest problem was. The pass rush was non existent. That has to change first and foremost.
February 16th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Detroit is in the same RB situation as we are. We both have good starters but they can’t stay healthy. doubt detroit wants mcfadden
by the way. if the raiders trade the 3rd overall to the lions it better be for a second round pick straight up.
no hand outs for the sake of trading down. to trade with the rams its a 2nd and both 1sts. don’t sell the #3 pick short. i’d rather take Floyd, Star etc. than trade down for chump change
February 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
So your top 2 ILB prospects this year are an internet weirdo and a guy who can’t stay sober for a few months before his biggest payday of his life, or during his final collegiate season.
Awesome!!!
Makes Miles Burris and his gazillion missed tackles seem a little better right now.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
like i said. bengals are a perfect match for dmac. cap room, hue jackson and they are poised to make a run in the coming seasons with their offense. we can get out pick back from hue
February 16th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
papertiger418 Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Charlie posted this list at #508
Contracts in place when Reggie took the job:
DT Richard Seymour $14,068,000
QB Carson Palmer $12,500,000
LB Kamerion Wimbley $11,850,000
CB Stanford Routt $10,785,334
FS Michael Huff $9,828,750
RB Darren McFadden $9,478,833
DT Tommy Kelly $8,874,266
WR Darrius Heyward-Bey $8,159,000
LB Aaron Curry $5,757,500
P Shane Lechler $4,900,000
TE Kevin Boss $4,750,000
DT John Henderson $4,750,000
PK Sebastian Janikowski $4,500,000
CB Chris Johnson $4,500,000
LB Rolando McClain $3,640,000
OG Cooper Carlisle $3,300,000
FS Hiram Eugene $2,500,000
DE Lamarr Houston $1,116,250
SS Mike Mitchell $965,500
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That list is one of the most depressing things I’ve ever seen. God, how did we let it get to that point?
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There’s a couple guys on that list that might be a tad overpaid.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
… Michigan), move that pick up a round to move two spots overall in the 1st.
Remember Vehldeer will be the franchise tagged player before DMac will, we should get something for DMac.
We could then have the freedom to draft Warmack, Miliner, D. Moore, or another top tier pass rush specialist; then draft very early in the 2nd (4th pick in the 2nd)…. Michigan),
February 16th, 2013 at 10:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
I think Detroit would just rather spend their 2nd round pick on a RB, and pay that guy the same over 4 years as to what they will have to pay McFadden this one year.
Plus, the rookie RB will have fresh NFL legs. McFadden is already on the downslope on an NFL RB’s career.
Anyone who watched him run last year and just blamed IT ALL on the ZBS is foolish. He rarely outran anyone and couldn’t break any tackles.
He has about 300 touches from being turned into glue.
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Our 25 yo RB who has less than 1000 touches in 5 years “has about 300 touches from being turned into glue”?
Harsh!
February 16th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
by the way. if the raiders trade the 3rd overall to the lions it better be for a second round pick straight up.
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From 3 to 5, to get a 2nd?
Not happening.
Last year, Minny traded from 3 to 4, and got a 4th and a 6th. Tampa traded from 5 to 7 and got a 4th. Dallas traded from #14 to #6 and gave up a 2nd only.
We would be lucky to trade down to #5 and get a 3rd. I think we would have to trade down 6 or 7 spots to get an outright 2013 2nd. If we take a 2014 2nd, we may not have to go back as far.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
Our 25 yo RB who has less than 1000 touches in 5 years “has about 300 touches from being turned into glue”?
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Arkansas ran that dude into the ground, and he has had what a broken shoulder, Lins Franc, ankle injuries and turf toe?
YIKES
February 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
The best thing about trading down for us, in the cap room difference from the #3 to say the #6 pick.
Your talking a couple of million dollars a year in cap space, as well as a few million dollars in real dollar savings at signing.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
All RB’s get injured and miss time it’s a given for the position and that is why their value has dropped some BUT when you have a great one he is hard to come by. It doesn’t matter how you got him if he can make plays DMC can make he is extremely valuable. I saw last year DMC not run with the same explosion but I think it was for other reasons than he has lost a step or anything. I think he was thinking way to much.
A RB has to do it naturally and he was playing very hesitant I don’t think he’s lost anything I have always thought you must use him a certain way to keep him healthy the problem is the Raiders have routinely misused him. He was much more valuable when Bush was taking the pounding and he was making huge plays. But everyone wanted him to carry the load and that is NOT who he is. I’ve said it a million times play him as you would a scatback and you’ll not only lengthen his career but he will stay healthy…….period
February 16th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
I agree you need two RB’s, and ideally with different skillsets.
Bush and McFadden worked well that way, as did Wheatley and Kaufman/Garner.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:15 pm
DMC if used properly could last 5-7 more years of grerat production but you cna only run him 15 x’s a game and throw it to him 5-10 and he’ll stay healthy and have a great career. I said that from day1 but coaches think the more they use him the better he is and he’s just the opposite.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
I like complete backs like AP, Rice, McCoy, and Foster.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Reading all the comments about the different scenarios that the Raiders could do with their 1st round pick has been very interesting.
To see what Reg actually does…….Well, I guess we will find out alot about him this April.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:23 pm
7 more years?
How many RB’s play 12 years, especially of late?
Seems after about 8 years of it, they may still be able to play, but don’t feel like going through it all with teams only willing to offer them a 1 year, non-guaranteed, incentive laden contract.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:24 pm
Scott Wright: You are from Ghana and haven’t been playing football for very long. Did you even know about the NFL growing up or did it just recently become a goal?
Ezekiel Ansah: I knew about it but it wasn’t a dream. I was going to play in the NBA but after a year or two I was like, you know what, this (football) is what I’m good at.
Scott Wright: You’ve gone from basically off the radar to a probable first round pick in just a matter of months. What has that been like and has it really sunk in yet?
Ezekiel Ansah: I don’t know if it’s totally sunk in yet. It kind of blows my mind sometimes. It’s really unbelievable and I’m just ready to keep learning and getting better.
Scott Wright: When watching you play I’ve been very impressed with your motor. Is that something that comes naturally or do you make a concerted effort to always go 100%?
Ezekiel Ansah: Coming out of Africa I did a lot of running with track, playing soccer and basketball. Some things come naturally to other people but I still have to work on it.
Scott Wright: Have you heard from teams that are considering you as an outside linebacker or do you think you will play defensive end at the next level?
Ezekiel Ansah: I don’t know about that yet, it’s still to be determined.
Scott Wright: How would you describe your game to someone who has never seen you play? What are your greatest strengths and what do you need to work on the most?
Ezekiel Ansah: Probably just the guy who makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. I’m not perfect and I still have a lot to work on. I’ve only been playing football for three years but I just can’t wait to keep learning.
Scott Wright: What current NFL defensive end do you most admire and who do you think you compare favorably to?
Ezekiel Ansah: JPP (Jason Pierre-Paul of the New York Giants).
Scott Wright: How would you describe your personality? Is it different on the field?
Ezekiel Ansah: I don’t talk much. I keep it cool. I try to just be me on the football field.
Scott Wright: What are your favorite and least favorite parts of playing football?
Ezekiel Ansah: My favorite part is just making plays. My least favorite… I haven’t thought of that yet.
Scott Wright: Who is the best opposing player you have faced during your career?
Ezekiel Ansah: During practice the tackles at B.Y.U. were pretty good. You know, Braden Brown. During the regular season I had difficulties with the tackle from Oregon St. (Editor’s Note: Colin Kelly?).
Scott Wright: What current pro are you looking forward to going up against in the NFL?
Ezekiel Ansah: Adrian Peterson. I want to see if I can tackle him.
Scott Wright: Is there one younger player at Brigham Young that draftniks should keep a close eye on for the future?
Ezekiel Ansah: Yes. Kyle Van Noy (Linebacker, Senior in 2013).
Scott Wright: If you could go back in time and give some advice to the 18-year-old version of yourself what would it be?
Ezekiel Ansah: I would just say choose what is right.
Scott Wright: When you get your first NFL paycheck what is the first thing you will buy?
Ezekiel Ansah: That is something I don’t really think about. It’s going to come to me when I get it.
Scott Wright: What do you plan to do once your playing career is over?
Ezekiel Ansah: I did statistics in school. I am going to get into business or set up my own business.
Scott Wright: If you had a whole day to yourself away from football, what would you do?
Ezekiel Ansah: Probably just stay home, chill, sleep and relax.
Scott Wright: What is the most embarrassing song on your iPod?
Ezekiel Ansah: I can’t think of any right now.
Scott Wright: Who is your celebrity crush?
Ezekiel Ansah: None.
Scott Wright: Do you have any goals in mind when it comes to the NFL Draft?
Ezekiel Ansah: I just want to play, wherever I am picked up. It doesn’t really matter, my potential will determine where I am going to be.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Look at the home opener in 2012, I thought Knapp was trying to get DMAC killed. I don’t know the stats but I remember he had something like 30 carries and thrown to more than any receiver.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
our 3rd for the lions 5th and 2nd rounder might be stretching it you’re right. but it’s not unlikely. you guys are way under valuing our pick
trade our 3rd overall for lions 5th overall a 3rd and a 4th maybe. i think we can get more for dmac to a team like the bengals/rams/patriots/jets
February 16th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
does nobody think dmac to the bengals makes sense?
hue jackson is their RB coach and they have our 2nd rounder
February 16th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
We are not trading DMC.
1- we changed our blocking scheme from ZBS because it wasn’t a good fit for DMC.
2- our OC said he watched tape from 2011 to see what plays worked best for DMC, and IMO that’s an indication that they intend to keep him.
3- him and CP are the best 2 players on our offense, CP is 33 and I don’t think we are going to pay him $15 million, so I doubt we will trade our 25 yo RB.
February 16th, 2013 at 10:56 pm
If only Reggie would simply cut everyone on that list now!
Raiders would be a far better team this season and beyond.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:14 pm
There’s a bluesman named Gary Clark jr. on Austin city limits(pbs) right now. Dam good axeman.
February 16th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Um never forget Walter Payton, 12 years and missed 1 one game in His career……He WAS the Bear O until Jim M opened up the O.Think about it, teams game planned for Him and still was the GREATEST rb….
February 16th, 2013 at 11:31 pm
Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
We are not trading DMC.
1- we changed our blocking scheme from ZBS because it wasn’t a good fit for DMC.
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Bingo!
February 16th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
very true. just a thought
February 17th, 2013 at 5:09 am
The Sanchez trade is interesting.
Jets went from #17 to #5, and it cost them an additional 2nd rounder, and 3 players, Brett Ratliff, Kenyon Coleman and Abram Elam.
Would anyone want to trade down to the #17 range, just for a 2nd, and three mostly crappy players?
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Attn: JFB
I would do it in a heartbeat. Lets just pretend the Steelers want to move from #17 to #3 this year.
They offer Sean Spence, Curtis Brown, Hebron Fangupo and their 2nd rounder (#49 overall).
I’d jump on it faster than Buster Skrine runs a 40 yard dash!!
You don’t trust the Reggie and his new scouting staff?
you get two Top 50 picks instead of one. plus (since we’re so strapped for cash) the pricetag on 17th overall compared to 3rd overall would be considerably less imo
and I’ll bet you at least 2 of the 3 “scrubs” would make our 53 man roster. Look at who they’d be competing against
February 17th, 2013 at 5:35 am
Mayock says Womack(sp?) best player in draft. I honestly wouldn’t be mad if we took him #3. Of course, Ansah is intriguing me. Just want a stud that will work hard.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:45 am
our 3rd for the lions 5th and 2nd rounder might be stretching it you’re right. but it’s not unlikely. you guys are way under valuing our pick
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Sure one team can really fall in love with a player and offer more, but these things are pretty standard when a QB is not involved.
I think we have to move down 6-7 spots to get an outright 2nd rounder.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:46 am
the pricetag on 17th overall compared to 3rd overall would be considerably less imo
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That is the key Rock.
Trading down, salary cap wise, gets us a player and say PHillip Wheeler.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:48 am
I say float the trade offer out to the Lions and see what happens. We simply need to get as many good picks in this year’s draft as we can. If we move back a couple of slots in Round 1, no big deal – we can still get an impact player. I sure would love to see Star in the starting lineup, however!
February 17th, 2013 at 7:02 am
Trade DVAG for picks!!!!!!!!
February 17th, 2013 at 7:31 am
Reggie made an as$ out of himself last year and you people still talk like he knows what hes doing?Dumbest fans in the world remain on this blog.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:49 am
All you draftniks should really read this article, or at least skim it’cuz it’s dam near a textbook, but very interesting.
An alternative approach to draft slot value
By NinjaGoro on Feb 9, 7:11a
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/9/3970438/an-approach-to-draft-slot-value
February 17th, 2013 at 7:57 am
.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
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I imagine it will be about the same talk as when we picked #1 overall in 2007
February 17th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:57 am
.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
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I imagine it will be about the same talk as when we picked #1 overall in 2007
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If that happens, we’d be lucky that there are more QB’s to choose from. Of course, if it does happen, I would just hope Scott McCloughan is making the pick.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:23 am
We aren’t picking #1 overall next year.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Down for Clown!
Don’t ruin it Chico.
Clowney is a game changer. Freakish athlete who is a great prospect.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:40 am
Kiper’s mock on Sportscenter had us taking Star still, Joekel going #1, and Milner #4.
He had Ogletree 7th, which I got to imagine will change.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:42 am
LDE: Houston
DT: Star
DT: Bryant
RDE: Clowney
Start TP!!!!! lol
February 17th, 2013 at 8:47 am
you people seem to forget that Al Davis isn’t making the picks Reggie and new staff look for different players
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Reggie done good last year with a few pixie he had
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the more picks Reggie gets the better the Raiders will get so he will be looking for a trading partner
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Nothing will happen till after the combine that’s when the rumors will heat !!!!!!!!!!
up our first three picks will be defense for sure we might draft of wide receiver in the late rounds Reggie has been very good and late rounds
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and I hope we don’t sign any free agents if we do I hope they’re cheap ones
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JUST FIRE BABY!!!!!!!! you’re right will be picking in the 20s next year go Raiders
February 17th, 2013 at 8:50 am
I really hope we don’t start the season on the MNF 2nd opener at home again.
I would rather play Sunday on the road, one of the East Coast games.
Get the travel out of the way when there wasn’t a game the week before, and we will be playing with mostly house money anyways.
Having these home openers are fun……until we lose and sucks the whole air out of the season after one week.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:53 am
861.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:23 am
We aren’t picking #1 overall next year.
Every year as long as the oranga is running things.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:55 am
20’s?!
You people think we will win 8+ games next season.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:56 am
861.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:23 am
We aren’t picking #1 overall next year.
Comeing from the guy who predicted playoffs last year.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“Every year” except this year?
February 17th, 2013 at 8:58 am
866.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:50 am
I really hope we don’t start the season on the MNF 2nd opener at home again.
I would rather play Sunday on the road, one of the East Coast games.
Get the travel out of the way when there wasn’t a game the week before, and we will be playing with mostly house money anyways.
Having these home openers are fun……until we lose and sucks the whole air out of the season after one week.
Though you would have moved on the Houston Texans by now son seeing how much you love the zoneblocking scheme.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:58 am
My calculated decisions on how to run the Raiders’ offseason:
Allow Lechler, Seymour, Carlisle, Spencer, Hagan, Leinart, Giordano, Barnes, Goodson, Calhoun, Shuler, Willie Smith, and Andre Carter to walk in FA. Next, cut Tollefson, Kelly, Grisiel, Goethel, and McClain.
Trade Carson Palmer to the Cardinals for their 3rd round pick (7th pick of the 3rd).
Current draft picks: 1st (3), 3rd (4), 3rd (7th), 4th (3), 6th (4), 7th (3), 7th (13)
Sign: Matt Moore to compete with Pryor for $2.586 mil (Tim Tebow’s current contract), Chris Ivory to back up McFadden for $1.742 mil (Rashard Mendenhall’s 2010 contract)
Re-sign/Restructure: Darren McFadden for $7.002 mil (between Ray Rice and Steven Jackson’s current contract), Darrius Heyward-Bey for $7.380 mil (Brandon Lloyd’s base salary with his DHB’s current bonuses), Brandon Myers for $2.883 mil (average of Brandon Pettigrew and Jermaine Gresham’s 2013 contract), Matt Shaughnessy for $1.449 mil (Corey Wootton’s 2013 contract), Desmond Bryant for $3.850 mil (DT Kyle Williams’ 2013 base salary), Philip Wheeler for $2 mil (Erin Henderson’s 2012 contract), Omar Gaither for $860k (his 2012 contract, plus the bonuses he didn’t receive from that contract), Mike Mitchell for $645k (Taylor Mays’ 2013 salary), Joselio Hanson for $950k ($125k increase from his 2012 contract), 7th round tender on Phillip Adams, and Tyvon Branch for $8.750 mil (restructuring his base salary to equal Donte Whitner’s 2013 base salary).
This leaves us with $8,232,720 left for the draft and free agency, according to my calculations, including all of our dead money. It also gives us another 3rd round pick to address our many needs.
And if we could find a partner to trade down in the first round to get in the second that would be great!!!
February 17th, 2013 at 8:59 am
870.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:57 am
“Every year” except this year?
yea missed it by 2 spots didnt we.shut up reggie lover.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:01 am
868.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:55 am
20’s?!
You people think we will win 8+ games next season.
no fkn way.Were at least 3 years from that unless we dump bottom lip and his tranny.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Just fire still drinking the koolaid I see.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:02 am
Though you would have moved on the Houston Texans by now son seeing how much you love the zoneblocking scheme.
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ZBS team won the Super Bowl, in case you didn’t notice
February 17th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Move on to the Ravens then will ya guy.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:05 am
Zone scheme gone and not comeing back.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Last year playoffs and top 10 offense.Yea just fire sure knows his football.lol.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Reggie made an as$ out of himself last year and you people still talk like he knows what hes doing?Dumbest fans in the world remain on this blog.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
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I will then call RM a damn near genius.
Look, I don’t care what RM and DA does this year. At best we finish 8-8 and that’s a miracle. RM should be setting his sights on 2014. That’s when the real rebuilding begins. There is nobody in this draft we can build a team or corp around. Yes some good players but nobody even approaching a Clowney. He has the potential to be our Ray Lewis in terms of impact. RM should clear the books so we are are on firm financial ground in 2014. Get good depth players. Keep Kelly!! And in 2014 we make our stand. We go after Clowney. Maybe even try this year to trade so that we get another first in 2014.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Next year 5-11, maybe 6-10 considering easy schedule.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Lol
February 17th, 2013 at 9:13 am
2-14 this year. learn will ya people. jeeeeeez. fk reggie
February 17th, 2013 at 9:14 am
880.logic82 Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Reggie made an as$ out of himself last year and you people still talk like he knows what hes doing?Dumbest fans in the world remain on this blog.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
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I will then call RM a damn near genius.
Look, I don’t care what RM and DA does this year. At best we finish 8-8 and that’s a miracle. RM should be setting his sights on 2014. That’s when the real rebuilding begins. There is nobody in this draft we can build a team or corp around. Yes some good players but nobody even approaching a Clowney. He has the potential to be our Ray Lewis in terms of impact. RM should clear the books so we are are on firm financial ground in 2014. Get good depth players. Keep Kelly!! And in 2014 we make our stand. We go after Clowney. Maybe even try this year to trade so that we get another first in 2014.
dumbest thing I ever heard.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:15 am
But then we could just as easily regress and read all the excuses in here about roster turnover. How did we end the season….1-8? Some kind of momentum for 2013, eh?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Last time this board was telling us to tank for a player was Suh.
You never tank for a player, Clowney seems super legit, but he culd turn into Len Bias after the draft.
Nobody knows.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:19 am
885.The Big Banana Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:15 am
But then we could just as easily regress and read all the excuses in here about roster turnover. How did we end the season….1-8? Some kind of momentum for 2013, eh?
We have already regressed sinse the end of this year.Reggie still here,Denise still here.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:19 am
that’s right the ravens won with zone blocking.
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if you became the offense of the ravens and you said what a zone block
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It they just went eight and eight for the last two years with zone blocking.
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that’s what happened it pigeonholed himself into one blocking scheme.
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Instead of saying okay we done very well with zone blocking ****************
so we will stay with that
nobody knows on this board are good the Raiders will do next year. They might *******go three and 13 or seven and nine you don’t know.
but I do know this are players will play to their strengths.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:19 am
If you project last year’s finish to this next year, then yes, we go 2-14.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:20 am
I know. 2-14 I said.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:22 am
oakfshow Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:14 am
880.logic82 Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:09 am
Reggie made an as$ out of himself last year and you people still talk like he knows what hes doing?Dumbest fans in the world remain on this blog.Lets see how you all talk whan we pick #1 overall in 2014.
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I will then call RM a damn near genius.
Look, I don’t care what RM and DA does this year. At best we finish 8-8 and that’s a miracle. RM should be setting his sights on 2014. That’s when the real rebuilding begins. There is nobody in this draft we can build a team or corp around. Yes some good players but nobody even approaching a Clowney. He has the potential to be our Ray Lewis in terms of impact. RM should clear the books so we are are on firm financial ground in 2014. Get good depth players. Keep Kelly!! And in 2014 we make our stand. We go after Clowney. Maybe even try this year to trade so that we get another first in 2014.
dumbest thing I ever heard.
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And If you think any multimillion dollar corporation just runs on a day to day plan or that Indy just happened to wind up getting the #1 pick then you are rather naive. It’s called being proactive.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:23 am
And If you think any multimillion dollar corporation just runs on a day to day plan or that Indy just happened to wind up getting the #1 pick then you are rather naive. It’s called being proactive.
Ok. drrrrrrrrr
February 17th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Last time this board was telling us to tank for a player was Suh.
You never tank for a player, Clowney seems super legit, but he culd turn into Len Bias after the draft.
Nobody knows.
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It worked for the Colts. lol
I don’t think fans want to lose so they can draft a player, but if you think we are going to suck next year, drafting a great prospect like Clowney is what you have to look for.
What sounds more realistic? POs or Clowney?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:24 am
If you look at the decision makeing from last year,we will be lucky to go 2-14. Sht,Im giveing the benifit of the doubt.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Um, the Colts won 2 of their last 3 games of the season in 2011 putting their #1 overall pick in severe jeopardy.
The final game they had to lose to get the #1 overall pick, and came back the 4th quarter to make it close, tried onside kicks at the end, everything.
They were not trying to lose.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Same with the Rams that year, who won the #1 pick on a tiebreaker.
They tried furiously to come back in their week 17 game to win.
You will never get players to buy in on losing on purpose. They know they can do that for a franchise and then they just cut them.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Um, the Colts won 2 of their last 3 games of the season in 2011 putting their #1 overall pick in severe jeopardy.
The final game they had to lose to get the #1 overall pick, and came back the 4th quarter to make it close, tried onside kicks at the end, everything.
They were not trying to lose.
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Yes they were.
Luck or RG3 was going to be a colt.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:30 am
who won the #1 pick on a tiebreaker.
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*lost the #1 pick
February 17th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Yes they were.
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No they weren’t.
Week 16 they could have lost and secured the #1 overall pick.
They came back and beat Houston on the Thursday night game, Reggie Wayne scoring game-winning TD with a minute left.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:35 am
They wanted a QB, and they finished in a position to get a top QB.
They didn’t need the 1st pick to get a top QB, they could have drafted RG3 with the 2nd pick.
You think it’s a coinsedence they released PM, had a 2-14 season, and managed to draft a top tier QB?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:38 am
You think it’s a coinsedence they released PM, had a 2-14 season, and managed to draft a top tier QB?
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They didn’t release him in 2011, he was on the sidelines cheering the team on.
They were still holding out hope he would start the end of the year up until near the end of the season.
But it is no coincidence that they lose their QB,and went from the playoffs to 2-14.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:40 am
I didnt say they teleased PM in 2011. They released PM after he was cleared to play in 2012 so they can draft Luck.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Released*
February 17th, 2013 at 9:43 am
The point is, they weren’t trying to lose.
They had nothing to play for, and were holding out hope Manning would play the last couple of games of the season.
They could have lost week 16 and had the #1 pick, and they came back and won putting both the #1 and #2 pick in jeopardy.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:44 am
If our season goes sour, TP will be at QB, and you telling me you think that kid will be “Tanking” games?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:47 am
Players don’t tank games for picks. Teams do.
Players need to play well for their next contract, so I doubt they will yank ganes unless they had a motive like gambling, etc…
February 17th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Good morning Dingbats
February 17th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Same with the Rams that year, who won the #1 pick on a tiebreaker.
They tried furiously to come back in their week 17 game to win.
You will never get players to buy in on losing on purpose. They know they can do that for a franchise and then they just cut them.
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Agreed. However, the state of the team highly increased the probability of them grabbing first pick.
I’m saying let’s start fresh from scratch. Get rid of all the baggage, the dead weight, the bloated contracts, the overhill players and non achievers. The downside is if you do that then the team you have left will be gutted, weakened, and non competitive. The upside is you are now in a position to build a winner. And as a major benefit you are also in a position to grab-potentially- one of the most devastating impact players since Lawrence Taylor. This isn’t intentionally tanking.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:50 am
JFB, are you in Metro El Paso today?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Well what happens if you get rid of all your players, gut the roster, and end up with the #3 pick again?
Or say you do get the #1 overall, and Clowney has an awful season and elects to go back to school for his senior season?
You play to win every snap of every game and let the chips fall where they may.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:51 am
No, are you?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Lol.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:54 am
Well your an accomplished World-Traveler, maybe you would want to go the city with the lowest crime rate in the country.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Lmao, what albergurque?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Chico,
How many moves before/ during the season were made to upgrade their QB situation after they lost PM?
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 am
They brought in Kerry Collins
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Lmao, what albergurque?
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El Paso
http://www.kvia.com/news/El-Paso-Ranks-Safest-City-In-US/-/391068/543218/-/g7i086z/-/index.html
February 17th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Post 899 is a recap of the history of this blog.
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Yes they were.
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No they weren’t.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Lmao, what albergurque?
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El Paso
http://www.kvia.com/news/El-Paso-Ranks-Safest-City-In-US/-/391068/543218/-/g7i086z/-/index.html
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Wow. I would have never thought. Really.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 am
They brought in Kerry Collins
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Are you trying to help me prove my point? lol
February 17th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Any city can be safe when they have a population of 500 and half these people are related.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:07 am
3 years in a row for El Paso.
It’s nothing to go the 7-11 and have 3 of the 5 patrons with a pistol on their hip.
And they will all look you in the eye and ask how your day is.
In Spanish of course, lol
February 17th, 2013 at 10:08 am
El Paso is the 19th biggest city in the US, bigger than Boston.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Lmao
February 17th, 2013 at 10:10 am
I ve been to El Paso once, driving through. That cyclone fence over the river. Wasn’t impressed, but………………..
February 17th, 2013 at 10:12 am
What’s surprising is that NYC, NY is ranked 3rd safest
February 17th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Helps to have a huge military and FBI presence in town, and with the lax gun laws, not only is everyone packing, but they are highly skilled armsmen.
The thugs are simply out-armed.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Lmao, what albergurque?
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El Paso
http://www.kvia.com/news/El-Paso-Ranks-Safest-City-In-US/-/391068/543218/-/g7i086z/-/index.html
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Yeah, but whoever compiled this has New York as the third safest city. They must not count pistol whipping, car jacking, and bttch slapping as violent acts.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 9:51 am
Well what happens if you get rid of all your players, gut the roster, and end up with the #3 pick again?
Or say you do get the #1 overall, and Clowney has an awful season and elects to go back to school for his senior season?
You play to win every snap of every game and let the chips fall where they may.
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OK. We wind up at 3 you trade up and get him. I know that means we are right back at the “trade all your future picks wagon” again but he is the one player I think is worth it.
If we get him at 1 and he sucks, then he sucks. It was the right thing to do. The smart thing to do. The high percentage play.
Absolutely, you let the chips fall where they may but do your damnedst to determine the size and location of that “where”. Case in point. It was virtually impossible for us to bid on any of the young guns, i.e., Wilson, RGIII, Luck and even Peyton due to the Palmer trade and the cap. No “chips” where going to fall in that arena. Next year we at least have a chance of determining if our chips fall near Clowney. None of this impacts the willingness of our players to go out and fight every down. I does however impact the probability of our winning a game.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 10:08 am
El Paso is the 19th biggest city in the US, bigger than Boston.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I didn’t know that. Bigger than Boston? Interesting.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:17 am
No, New York is amazing. You’ll see women walking home after hours by themselves, 3-4 o’clock in the morning. I couldn’t believe it.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:18 am
As far as New York, the list is compiled by the FBI, and is per capita.
Huge population helps that out.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 am
Just kidding about New York. NYC is one of the great places on earth.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 am
O,
Yup, and ABQ 32nd, bigger than Atlanta!!!
We got plenty of room to grow out, and the military presence keeps getting larger and bringing out QUALITY families from other places.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population
February 17th, 2013 at 10:22 am
Mush, when are you going to move back to the World?
February 17th, 2013 at 10:23 am
I have to agree with JFB. lst off, teams do not lose on purpose. Unless they are NBA teams staffed with overly pampered emotional babies. 2ndly, one thing we REALLY need to get on track is winning games. I think it is time to sell out and try to win the PRESEASON games. I am not kidding. That was one of the tricks to the A’s season last year. They won their practice games, started the season well, and when things went bad, still knew they could win games. We need to do that here.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:25 am
I live in the heart of the 32nd biggest city in the US, and just moved here from the 31st largest.
I don’t see Patterson in the list.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 am
O,
Yup, and ABQ 32nd, bigger than Atlanta!!!
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Right, but the Atlanta metropolitan area is MUCH bigger. Once you get outside of El Paso or Albuqurquee, there is not much else. For thousands of miles. Once you get outside of Atl, there is just more Atl.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Metro area sure, Atlanta goes on for like a 50+ miles.
Just saying, ABQ and El Paso aren’t some small time dusty hill-billy towns stuck in the 60’s.
Albuquerque is going to take over the film and movie industry in a few years, thanks to all the tax breaks we offer them over CA.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:36 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 10:29 am
Metro area sure, Atlanta goes on for like a 50+ miles.
Just saying, ABQ and El Paso aren’t some small time dusty hill-billy towns stuck in the 60’s.
Albuquerque is going to take over the film and movie industry in a few years, thanks to all the tax breaks we offer them over CA.
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Interesting. No drug problems in those towns? I would think rock and meth would be everywhere.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Meth is a major issue in the rural area’s of this state, Espanola/Rio Arriba county. Not a HUGE problem here, but certainly any amount of meth use is a problem.
The big issue in ABQ is drunk driving, not sure what the hell is wrong with people, but it is unimaginable.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:52 am
I think it is time to sell out and try to win the PRESEASON games.
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To an extent, I agree.
I feel our starters certainly need more reps. Getting kind of sick of going to Miami week 2 and hearing about how tired they are and exhausted from playing in 85 degree weather.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Meth is a major issue in the rural area’s of this state, Espanola/Rio Arriba county. Not a HUGE problem here, but certainly any amount of meth use is a problem.
The big issue in ABQ is drunk driving, not sure what the hell is wrong with people, but it is unimaginable.
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Drunk driving is most likely part of the culture. If you don’t have meth and rock problems in that area the second movie people from LA show up, you will.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 10:52 am
I think it is time to sell out and try to win the PRESEASON games.
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To an extent, I agree.
I feel our starters certainly need more reps. Getting kind of sick of going to Miami week 2 and hearing about how tired they are and exhausted from playing in 85 degree weather.
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Conditioning has been a HUGE problem for the Raiders for decades. Some of that has to be Al’s lackadaisical “let the players do what they want” mantra, and some of that has to be the lack of leadership we hear about all too much.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Speaking of film industry. Ck out “Black Market Babies” 1976. Desi Arnez jr, Linda Purl, KoolKell.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:03 am
If you don’t have meth and rock problems in that area the second movie people from LA show up, you will.
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LOL
Lots of movie people already here, the last Arnold movie was filmed almost entirely here, part of almost every action/blow ‘em up movie are.
Maybe the rock and meth is creeping in, don’t hear of it as an issue much.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Reminds me of a joke my LA film friends told me.
How much cocaine did Charlie Sheen do?
Enough to kill Two and A Half Men.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I just want FA or draft to come soon as possible
February 17th, 2013 at 11:12 am
KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Speaking of film industry. Ck out “Black Market Babies” 1976. Desi Arnez jr, Linda Purl, KoolKell.
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That wasn’t one of those low budget Mitchell Bros porn films was it? Man, you really are a pioneer.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:12 am
KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Speaking of film industry. Ck out “Black Market Babies” 1976. Desi Arnez jr, Linda Purl, KoolKell.
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That wasn’t one of those low budget Mitchell Bros porn films was it? Man, you really are a pioneer.
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ABC movie of the week. 1976
February 17th, 2013 at 11:14 am
mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 am
I just want FA or draft to come soon as possible
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Combine starts this week. That will give us something to discuss instead of Palmer, Pryor, and our daily race riot.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:14 am
ABC movie of the week. 1976
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Nice.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:16 am
ABC movie of the week 1976. Netflix.
My wife’s cousin in Swiss bought it, after my bragging, and sent it back to me.lmao.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Thank god Combine is only 5 days and 19 hours away
February 17th, 2013 at 11:19 am
It is going to be interesting to see what Ansah does.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:20 am
You usually get some good quotes and rumors during the combine.
It’s like baseball’s winter meetings.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Andre Ellington might be an interesting player for us. Like Taiwan Jones only better.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:24 am
All my teams are losing Lakers, Sharks, Raiders
Atleast A’s with one of the lowest payroll in the league, look exciting
February 17th, 2013 at 11:25 am
So Mayock has the NT rom Florida ranked higher than Star, eh?
Another guy from NFL.com likes the NT from Missouri.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:28 am
J Hill Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:25 am
So Mayock has the NT rom Florida ranked higher than Star, eh?
Another guy from NFL.com likes the NT from Missouri.
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I like both those players. And Hankins from Ohio State, and Jordan Hill from Penn State. I am not a big Star guy.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:35 am
KoolKell Says:
ABC movie of the week. 1976
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1977. Didn’t see you in the credits.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:35 am
KoolKell Says:
ABC movie of the week. 1976
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1977. Didn’t see you in the credits.
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No, you don’t.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:42 am
Going to be really interesting to see if Tyvon Branch is brought back. His salary is not guaranteed this season. Only a roster bonus.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:46 am
We pulled into Sasebo Japan. I was working on the mess deck. A couple of guys went to the movies. Black Market Babies was playing. Lmao. I didn’t know. they came back, KoolKell KoolKell. Ahh yeah Sunday’s
February 17th, 2013 at 11:46 am
I always kind of liked Linda Purl.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Marshall Colt was in our company. His wife was admin assistant to Ann Brebner, the biggest agent in SF. He took me under his wing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Colt
February 17th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
KK, name dropping buffoon.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
LMFAO
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Seymour Bush Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Andre Ellington might be an interesting player for us. Like Taiwan Jones only better.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Better than Taiwan Jones? Really Peymour? Way to go out on a limb!
rofl
February 17th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
My wife’s father always told her not to bring home a Jew or Italian. lmao. then I show up. Lol.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Enough said.
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
My wife’s father always told her not to bring home a Jew or Italian. lmao. then I show up. Lol.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
BrownStains, how’s it going in the boonies today?
February 17th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
A family of bigots.
I bet your wife’s father had a grin from ear to ear after she left you.
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
My wife’s father always told her not to bring home a Jew or Italian. lmao. then I show up. Lol.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Nope, she’s still here, BrownStains.
Have you ever taken your wife to Paris?
February 17th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
BrownStains, we were there in Nov? Father in law gave me a Ro-lex.
February 17th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Things we talk about on this blog
Palmer$$$$$$$$$$$
PRIOR$$$$
Mackenzie$$$$
Dennis Alan$$$$
were the Raiders will finish/??????????????
thank God for the combines of does it start Tuesday ????????????
February 17th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
Dude, it’s PRYOR and ALLEN, ok?
February 17th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
Are you asking yourself?
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
BrownStains, we were there in Nov?
February 17th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
KK Munster, you dont remember where you were in Nov? It’s called Alzheimer’s, ok ?
Obviously, you are uneducated and don’t understand a question mark doesn’t go after a statement.
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
BrownStains, we were there in Nov?
February 17th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Yes. Why don’t we tank the season so we can draft Clowney and then tank again so we can get a top QB in 2015 and then again lose every game in 2015 so we can draft # 1 again in 2016.
By the time we get to 2017 we’ll have a few good players and can maybe look at a .500 season.
Of course, we’ll have to resign Clowney by that time and it’ll cost a bunch so we can’t keep him…so we just keep on tanking for another 3 yr’s and then start all over again.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:24 am
All my teams are losing Lakers, Sharks, Raiders Atleast A’s with one of the lowest payroll in the league, look exciting
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A’s. Yawn. No chance to win it all. Boring. Minor league team while moneyball is in town. Wake me up when Beane is gone
February 17th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
#980
Spoken like a true Hater. Word to you – there’s a team just down the road, in San Diego, whose powder blue uniforms will go perfectly with your whining. Go join them!
February 17th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
tbone, I think 980 was sarcasm.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
MistaBrown – it’s kinda hard to tell these days, you know bro?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
SR Raider Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 11:24 am
All my teams are losing Lakers, Sharks, Raiders Atleast A’s with one of the lowest payroll in the league, look exciting
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A’s. Yawn. No chance to win it all. Boring. Minor league team while moneyball is in town. Wake me up when Beane is gone
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May not win it all, but win a division and give all the big dogs run for their money as an underdog team is exciting to watch
February 17th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Looked pretty obvious to me tbone.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
We just need to stick true to our colors, in the face of all the Whiner fans screamin’ “We was robbed at the Super Bowl!” Yeah, yeah, go lick your wounds babies. Ask Randy Moss how it felt to finally win a championship – oh that’s right, he DIDN’T win a championship (again!)
February 17th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
I still think there’s a possibility that we can get rid of some more cap crap during this offseason, bring in a high round draft pick, with impact, and some lower round players who will stick, maybe dive into the free agency foray once or twice, and end up with a pretty good looking team. I’m not all doom and glom, like a lot of others.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
As far as quarterbacks go, I still think we might be able to pick up either Landry Jones or that kid from Baylor in the third round (provided that we trade with someone and pick up a second rounder somewhere).
February 17th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Looked pretty obvious to me tbone.
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Obvious to you ………………?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Yes, obvious to me………!
Whats wrong with you old man did you run out of baked beans & spam?
Notice how the question mark went after my question not a statement?
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Obvious to you ………………?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
You’re such a genius, BrownStains.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
We’ll just leave it right there until the next time, thanks goon!
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
You’re such a genius, BrownStains.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Back in the day you at least put up a fight old man, now you are just a limp noodle. Your ex wife can attest to that I’m sure.
Peace out twat breath!
February 17th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Going to be really interesting to see if Tyvon Branch is brought back. His salary is not guaranteed this season. Only a roster bonus.
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Attn: Jhill
just curious – how much would it cost us to cut or trade him ??
February 17th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
The one Raiders’ player we could foresee being in high demand in a trade (that we are willing to trade) is Michael Huff, possibly Branch; either one would probably need to renegotiate their contract, I’m sure one would be willing to be on a SB contender.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
7/14/2012: Signed a four-year, $26.6 million contract. The deal contains $17.6 million guaranteed, including a $5.6 million signing bonus, Branch’s first-year base salary, and his $3.5 million roster bonus in the second year. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on annual Pro Bowl berths. 2013: $6 million (+ $3.5 million roster bonus due in March), 2014: $3 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due in March), 2015: $5.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due in March), 2016: Free Agent
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According to Roto, we owe Branch a $3.5 million roster bonus next month and it’s part of his guaranteed money
bummer!
February 17th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
The one Raiders’ player we could foresee being in high demand in a trade (that we are willing to trade) is Michael Huff, possibly Branch; either one would probably need to renegotiate their contract, I’m sure one would be willing to be on a SB contender.
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Yeah, but is there a SB contender that needs a downgrade at safety?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Branch is one of the only legitimate players on Oakland’s defense, and analyst Mike Mayock opined that he may be the best tackling safety in the NFL.
12/06/12
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LOL!!
Roto is money with contracts usually, but this comment (above) had me rollin’ on the floor
nothing legit about his coverage skills!
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
Would rather have Jones, Bin
February 17th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
raidertbone Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
#980
Spoken like a true Hater. Word to you – there’s a team just down the road, in San Diego, whose powder blue uniforms will go perfectly with your whining. Go join them!
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I was being SARCASTIC. I’m totally against “downey for clowney” or whatever is being talked about by some.
I think it’s a losers mentality.
You try to win EVERY game you can while u can.
Winning breeds winning imo.
The rest will work itself out.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
peep this:
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/oakland-raiders/
puke!!
February 17th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
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Kind of puts a wrench in the Geno to KC thing. Unless he’s playing mind games.
It also means( if this guy is for real) Geno will be available to us if we want him.
There’s chatter that Reggie likes him alot.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
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I still hold out hope that they will waste the #1 on Geno so tha A) Reggie doesn’t waste the #3 on him; B) We get to face a Geno lead Chiefs team for the next few years; C) We have more players to choose from; D) We have potentially more trade back potential.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
WHy would a team with the 1st pick play mind games lol
February 17th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Raidertbone Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
As far as quarterbacks go, I still think we might be able to pick up either Landry Jones or that kid from Baylor in the third round (provided that we trade with someone and pick up a second rounder somewhere)
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I’d rather try to build up other positions this year and draft a QB in the first in 2014 or 2015 (assuming Pryor isn’t THE GUY). Maybe a later round flyer but the first 3 rounds I want guys that will fill holes THIS year.
February 17th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
WHy would a team with the 1st pick play mind games lol
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To forget they live in KC?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
WHy would a team with the 1st pick play mind games lol
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To fk with your dumbass, perhaps?
February 17th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
peep this:
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/oakland-raiders/
puke!!
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At least 1 out of the top 10 is worth the cap hit!
February 17th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I believe that McKenzie knows what he’s doing. However, if drafts Geno with his first pick I will join the “fire Reggie” mob.
February 17th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
At least 1 out of the top 10 is worth the cap hit!
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Veldheer @ $1.5 million , lol
February 17th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Twocents Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
I believe that McKenzie knows what he’s doing. However, if drafts Geno with his first pick I will join the “fire Reggie” mob.
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What do you think about 0bama’s proposal to hike minuting wage. That would help, no?
February 17th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
WHy would a team with the 1st pick play mind games lol
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That’s why they have the first pick.
February 17th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
first mock draft “dream” scenario (pre-combine)
Raiders trade 3rd overall for 10th pick (Titans)
move up to take Star Louletelei – acquire 40th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders trade 10th overall for 16th pick (Rams)
Rams move up to take Keenan Allen,WR,Cal – acquire 46th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders take
1 Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio St.
2 Barret Jones, C/T, Alabama
2 B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
3 Corey Lemonier, OLB/DE , Auburn
4 Markus Hunt, DE, SMU
6 Joe Kruger, DE, Utah
7 Luke Marquardt, OT, Azuza Pacific
7 Khalid Wooten, CB, N.Carolina or Zeke Motta, s, Notre Dame
UDFA
La’Rod King, WR, Kentucky
Cierre Wood, RB, Notre Dame
Jake Olson, OT
FB Lonnie Pryor, Florida St.
J.C. Tretter, OG, Cornell
FA
Terrence Knighton, DT, Jacksonville
Charles Woodson, S, Green Bay
Connor Barwin, LB/DE, Texans
February 17th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
What do you think about 0bama’s proposal to hike minuting wage. That would help, no?
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It will help Starbucks like the Prez said.
February 17th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
I like Raidersams draft scenario, 1 DT, 2 CBs 3 DE’s a a Starting Ol guy and one OT for depth
February 17th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
RediaR Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
peep this:
http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/cap-hit/oakland-raiders/
puke!!
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At least 1 out of the top 10 is worth the cap hit!
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Good news is much of this is going away in the next 2 years. Reggie owns that Tyvon deal.
February 17th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
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Posturing. They don’t want to spend the #1 overall on Geno and hope to convince the rest of the league not to spend their 1st rounder on him either so that he can fall to them in the 2nd. Fat chance.
February 17th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
The Big Banana Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
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Posturing. They don’t want to spend the #1 overall on Geno and hope to convince the rest of the league not to spend their 1st rounder on him either so that he can fall to them in the 2nd. Fat chance.
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Hmmmm , never thought like that
February 17th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
I love all kinds of btches,
Take off my shirt, and pull down my britches.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Minimum wage laws add to unemployment. The fact is that many young people are unemployable at minimum wage.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
1000.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/chiefs-gm-not-sure-theres-a-first-round-qb-this-year/
thoughts?
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They’re right.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Twocents Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Minimum wage laws add to unemployment. The fact is that many young people are unemployable at minimum wage.
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No, it’s because they’re unskilled
February 17th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
The U.S imports skilled, tech workers.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
guess nobody wants Warmack 3rd overall? I do he would have the biggest impact esp in the pbs scheme.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
guess nobody wants Warmack 3rd overall? I do he would have the biggest impact esp in the pbs scheme.
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I do but think it is conceivable to trade back a few spots and still get him.
February 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Any of you old enough to remember the Oakland Seals?
February 17th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Sounds like the old USA is getting it’s ass kicked by the emerging nations in the global economy. Sort of like what did in the Soviet Union.
But let’s keep relying on a bunch of overpaid Washington bureaucrats. They just need more money. I’m sure they can fix the problem.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
I definately want the Raiders to draft Warmack; I simply think we could trade down with Detroit ot Philadelphia to get an extra mid round draft pick to do so.
LT- Vehldeer LG- Warmack C- Wisniewski RG- Nix RT- Long
back up Bergstrom, he is versatile enough to play nearle each position, we simply need to pick up an experienced OL/C
The player I’m hoping we can pick up with a new mid round pick would be W, Ball we need a young beast at RB.
Warmack & Wisniewski leading the way for Monte
February 17th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
The Palmer trade pisses me off more and more each day; this draft is deep in DE/DT/OT/G/LB and we only be able to draft one of them
February 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
It’s tuff to use your # 3 pick in the draft for a guard. They don’t earn as much as tackles..cuz they aren’t as important.
Warmack is good but u really wanna use your valuable # 3 pick on a guard?
February 17th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
The clues as to who we’ll pick come from Reggie and DA.
In his latest interview DA said the MAIN FOCUS would be on shoring up the defense, and Reggie and he both said during the season that they NEED pass rushers.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that’s where they’re headed…especially since there’s so many good ones available.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Bergstrom was Reggie’s first ever draft pick as a GM.
He WILL BE starting somewhere on the line this year.
I think he will be at RT.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
DA talked at length about improving his secondary as well, and he cut his teeth as a DB coach.
Milner, is very,very much a plausible scenario in the 1st round.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Any of you old enough to remember the Oakland Seals?
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I thought it was the SF Seals, a minor league club. Seals stadium. When they tore it down, the seats got moved to Cheney Stadium in Tacoma, Wa. But that’s memory before I could remember. Not research. But I’m on it now.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Here ya go DJ. Easy.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Seals_(baseball)
February 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Troll Master, I was looking thru my box of old trading cards and saw a few players from the California Golden Seals so I looked em up and saw they were once the Oakland Seals..an NHL team who played in the Oakland Alameda County Arena(?).
February 17th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Here ya go again DJ. I remembered correctly about the seats going to Tacoma.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seals_Stadium
February 17th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Troll, Thx for the link. I wasn’t aware of the SF Seals baseball team.
I wondered if there were any old Seals hockey fans lurking on the board.
I’m guessing that old arena they played in is tore down?
February 17th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
It’s tuff to use your # 3 pick in the draft for a guard. They don’t earn as much as tackles..cuz they aren’t as important.
Warmack is good but u really wanna use your valuable # 3 pick on a guard?
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I wouldn’t mind it because he’s one of the few players in this draft I feel confident in. I’m not sold on any of the D-Lineman this year specifically. One or two of the top DL picks will probably be pretty good, but it’s a crapshoot.
As long as they get a high level player I’m fine with it.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
OAKLAND OAKS..
February 17th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Yeah RediaR. No doubt a solid o-lineman isn’t anywhere near a sexy top 3 pick but it’s one of those things you definitely need.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Troll Master, I was looking thru my box of old trading cards and saw a few players from the California Golden Seals so I looked em up and saw they were once the Oakland Seals..an NHL team who played in the Oakland Alameda County Arena(?).
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Oh. I see. I remember the baseball team. One thing is for certain tho, the Bay Area is full of seals. I am into baseball so I remember the Seals, but never hockey. Do you know the Warriors once were the San Francisco Warriors? And the Stanford Cardinal were once the Stanford Indians? Watched Plunkett play there. Also, Neil Young is a big San Jose Sharks fan. And Raider kool aide is looking real good this off season.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
OAKLAND OAKS WERE A MEMBER OF OLD PACIFIC COAST LEAGUE..LOT OF GREAT HISTORY THERE..
February 17th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
1015, RaiderSam, I too like your draft scenario. However, I would take a pass on Charles Woodson, unfortunately his best years are behind him, and with the salary he would expect and being injury prone, I’m sure Reg could find some hungrier, younger player, who would cost alt less.
February 17th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
must—-
get—-
new—–
info—–
February 17th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Bill Russell, Oaktown
February 17th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Curt Flood, Oaktown
February 17th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
KoolKell, Oaktown
February 17th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Sly & The Family Stone, Oaktown
February 17th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Conditioning has been a HUGE problem for the Raiders for decades. Some of that has to be Al’s lackadaisical “let the players do what they want” mantra, and some of that has to be the lack of leadership we hear about all too much.
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This is not only a stupid statement but it’s a flat out LIE, Al Davis has never had a “lackadaisical let the players do whatever they want” anything. Where do you guys get this foolishness from?
You need to follow another man. You are a complete and utter idiot…………period
You have no idea what the hell you’re talking about. You just talk to be heard.
February 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Yes. Why don’t we tank the season so we can draft Clowney and then tank again so we can get a top QB in 2015 and then again lose every game in 2015 so we can draft # 1 again in 2016.
By the time we get to 2017 we’ll have a few good players and can maybe look at a .500 season.
Of course, we’ll have to resign Clowney by that time and it’ll cost a bunch so we can’t keep him…so we just keep on tanking for another 3 yr’s and then start all over again.
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Post of the Day. Maybe the week. Well said.
February 17th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Huff, Kelly, and DHB seem like prime candidates for salary cap casualties.
February 17th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
The one Raiders’ player we could foresee being in high demand in a trade (that we are willing to trade) is Michael Huff, possibly Branch; either one would probably need to renegotiate their contract, I’m sure one would be willing to be on a SB contender.
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rediaR Says:
Yeah, but is there a SB contender that needs a downgrade at safety?
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That’s pretty funny. I disagree, but I still laughed.
February 17th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Sly & The Family Stone, Oaktown
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Tower of Power
HP Newton
Troll Master
February 17th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Like a Real Estate agent?
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
No, it’s because they’re unskilled
February 17th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
February 17th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
Like a Real Estate agent?
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
No, it’s because they’re unskilled
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Have you bought any Real Estate, BrownStains ?
February 17th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
This NBA All-Star pre-game hype and introductions is downright embarrassing.
Lame to the extreme.
February 17th, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Bergstrom was Reggie’s first ever draft pick as a GM.
He WILL BE starting somewhere on the line this year.
I think he will be at RT.
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He shouldn’t be, he isn’t better than Barnes, and he got his ass kicked last year, not to mention his guy forced the Palmer injury.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
J Hill Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Huff, Kelly, and DHB seem like prime candidates for salary cap casualties.
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Kelly is dead in the water. No frigging way should Reggie sign him.
Huff needs to keep learning at CB, he’s an above average FS, but might still become a very good CB.
DHB has been above average and is still learning the game and is a great downfield blocker. Works hard.
To dump him would be sending all the wrong signals on a TEAM. If he goes, I think it is an indicator Reggie has no clue what he is doing.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RaiderSam Says:
first mock draft “dream” scenario (pre-combine)
Raiders trade 3rd overall for 10th pick (Titans)
move up to take Star Louletelei – acquire 40th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders trade 10th overall for 16th pick (Rams)
Rams move up to take Keenan Allen,WR,Cal – acquire 46th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders take
1 Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio St.
2 Barret Jones, C/T, Alabama
2 B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
3 Corey Lemonier, OLB/DE , Auburn
4 Markus Hunt, DE, SMU
6 Joe Kruger, DE, Utah
7 Luke Marquardt, OT, Azuza Pacific
7 Khalid Wooten, CB, N.Carolina or Zeke Motta, s, Notre Dame
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mcfadden20. Says:
I like Raidersams draft scenario, 1 DT, 2 CBs 3 DE’s and a Starting Ol guy and one OT for depth
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I do too. I’d like one more early O line guy, though. Unless; Barrett can start at C, Wiz goes back to LG, Coop’s got one more year in him at RG(or Brisiel was really hurt and can pick up his game,ZBS be dammed) and Barnes comes back.
Except a center named Barrett makes me nervous.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
I’d love to get Barrett Jones or Star
February 17th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Yes. Why don’t we tank the season so we can draft Clowney and then tank again so we can get a top QB in 2015 and then again lose every game in 2015 so we can draft # 1 again in 2016.
By the time we get to 2017 we’ll have a few good players and can maybe look at a .500 season.
Of course, we’ll have to resign Clowney by that time and it’ll cost a bunch so we can’t keep him…so we just keep on tanking for another 3 yr’s and then start all over again.
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Post of the Day. Maybe the week. Well said.
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No frigging doubt! Anyone thinking we can lose our way into the SB has no clue. Sick of the suggestions.
Balt didn’t win by being 0-16… they won by being playoff caliber for many years in a row…
February 17th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
I do too. I’d like one more early O line guy, though. Unless; Barrett can start at C, Wiz goes back to LG, Coop’s got one more year in him at RG(or Brisiel was really hurt and can pick up his game,ZBS be dammed) and Barnes comes back.
Except a center named Barrett makes me nervous.
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Trade down a few spots and just pick Warmack, IMO.
I think we are fine at CB with Huff and Hanson for one year… Adams as fill in.
We do need at least two d-linemen to replace Kelly and upgrade Shonasty. I’d like to see either FS or LB as other late picks.
If we draft Warmack I am fine rolling the dice that Nix or Bergstrom can fill in for the horrible, horrible, horrible Brisiel. Maybe we can squeak another season out of Barnes if he can stay healthy.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
The Palmer trade pisses me off more and more each day; this draft is deep in DE/DT/OT/G/LB and we only be able to draft one of them
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Took care of that last year by hiring Knapp. Thanks to him we have the #3 pick and can trade back to around where we should of drafted and pick up that 2nd rounder.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
The Palmer trade pisses me off more and more each day; this draft is deep in DE/DT/OT/G/LB and we only be able to draft one of them
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Took care of that last year by hiring Knapp. Thanks to him we have the #3 pick and can trade back to around where we should of drafted and pick up that 2nd rounder.
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Thats an awesome way of looking at it.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
DHB has been above average and is still learning the game and is a great downfield blocker. Works hard.
To dump him would be sending all the wrong signals on a TEAM. If he goes, I think it is an indicator Reggie has no clue what he is doing.
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@ 10 million plus per year, wouldn’t shock me at all to see DHB and Huff gone.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Have you sold any this year?
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KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Have you bought any Real Estate, BrownStains ?
February 17th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Yeah, 99.
That was PUHHHTHETIC!
February 17th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Gdog Says:
If we draft Warmack I am fine rolling the dice that Nix or Bergstrom can fill in for the horrible, horrible, horrible Brisiel.
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Brisiel is highly regarded and Houston fans were upset losing him. The party line is he was hurtin’ bad but soldiered on ’cause nobody was good enough to step in. If true, I’ll reserve judgement. What we saw was pretty horrible. But not as bad as Barnes backup, and he was healthy.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Gdog Says:
Thats an awesome way of looking at it.
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February 17th, 2013 at 6:48 pm
Briesel is GARBAGE.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 17th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
read a post saying chiefs scouts arent seeing a qb worth their pick. of course probably smoke, but good news for us if not. oooooh cant wait for free agency then draft. raiders offseason is our version of the playoffs
February 17th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
if shrek dumps dhb…there is no hope until shrek is gone.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Is Alcia Keys into woman??
February 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
*women
February 17th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
DHB has been above average and is still learning the game and is a great downfield blocker. Works hard.
To dump him would be sending all the wrong signals on a TEAM. If he goes, I think it is an indicator Reggie has no clue what he is doing.
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@ 10 million plus per year, wouldn’t shock me at all to see DHB and Huff gone.
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And replace them with whom, and at what cost? Moore besides maybe four games in his career has been awful or mediocre.
Streater has potential but I do not trust. Ford I do not like and can’t stay on the field. Criner almost an unknown.
Hagan? Nice 3 or 4. DHB is still our most consistent receiver, which isn’t saying much.
Huff might be our best secondary player amongst nothing but HOT GARBAGE. We have to keep something…
DHB and Huff will both restructure IMO.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Warmack in the 1st
Trufant, Ball, or Long in the 3rd
February 17th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Warmack and Barrett would make my day. Use all the rest on D.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
PFF has DHB rated in the red (negative) only three games in the last two years.
Trust me.. thats pretty damn good!
He works hard and is still learning the game!
If Reggie dumps him he has no clue what he is doing…
February 17th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Warmack and Barrett would make my day. Use all the rest on D.
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Oh yea baby
February 17th, 2013 at 7:10 pm
im still a dhb fan. like always still has work to do but i cant help it
February 17th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Gdog Says:
Huff might be our best secondary player amongst nothing but HOT GARBAGE. We have to keep something…
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Yeah, I laugh at all these guys that say cut so and so ‘cuz he’s just average, acceptable or mediocre.
I’d say start with the bad ones, then worry about the average ones.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
PFF has DHB rated in the red (negative) only three games in the last two years.
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In contrast Moore had 7 in his last 11 games…
February 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Gdog Says:
Huff might be our best secondary player amongst nothing but HOT GARBAGE. We have to keep something…
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Yeah, I laugh at all these guys that say cut so and so ‘cuz he’s just average, acceptable or mediocre.
I’d say start with the bad ones, then worry about the average ones.
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Gio, Mitchell, and Bartell were really really bad.
Huff has been above average his whole career. Worthy of his salary? Prolly not… but what does it cost to replace him? And he might still get better at CB.
Covering just one guy seems more suited to him than trying to anticipate the play of many. I disagree with Reggie when he said he should return to FS. Although anything would be better than Gio. Adams and Hanson might be ok at CB, if thats how they want to save money next year. No way should Gio be on any NFL football field though. He makes Schweigert look awesome.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
You guys need to tak ethat jacket off DHB cause he is the most consistent Offensive performer on this team the last 2 years. He may not be Larry Ftizgerld but he is very reliable. Not to mention he’s been taken off the field on a stretcher twice in two years. Comes back and balls out. Name someone else you cna say that about?
February 17th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Schweighert????? Holy Smokes!! why cuss that kid out like that?
February 17th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
You guys need to tak ethat jacket off DHB cause he is the most consistent Offensive performer on this team the last 2 years. He may not be Larry Ftizgerld but he is very reliable. Not to mention he’s been taken off the field on a stretcher twice in two years. Comes back and balls out. Name someone else you cna say that about?
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Yup. His salary and the fact he was a high pick are what fuel the emotion behind the disdain some feel about him.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Schweighert????? Holy Smokes!! why cuss that kid out like that?
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lol! Well, cmon… its Gio. Same dude really
February 17th, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
first mock draft “dream” scenario (pre-combine)
Raiders trade 3rd overall for 10th pick (Titans)
move up to take Star Louletelei – acquire 40th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders trade 10th overall for 16th pick (Rams)
Rams move up to take Keenan Allen,WR,Cal – acquire 46th pick overall in 2nd
Raiders take
1 Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio St.
2 Barret Jones, C/T, Alabama
2 B.W. Webb, CB, William & Mary
3 Corey Lemonier, OLB/DE , Auburn
4 Markus Hunt, DE, SMU
6 Joe Kruger, DE, Utah
7 Luke Marquardt, OT, Azuza Pacific
7 Khalid Wooten, CB, N.Carolina or Zeke Motta, s, Notre Dame
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I love this scenario in a trade. The only thing I would add would be Eddie Lacey at the 2d round slot. He could be a great team with DMAC as a “power” RB or a potential replacement down the line.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:34 pm
I just want this draft to happen already!
February 17th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
In a trade down I might also try to make a run at Warmack in the 1st too. See if we can get him and Jones.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Gdog Says:
Huff might be our best secondary player amongst nothing but HOT GARBAGE. We have to keep something…
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Yeah, I laugh at all these guys that say cut so and so ‘cuz he’s just average, acceptable or mediocre.
I’d say start with the bad ones, then worry about the average ones.
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Gio, Mitchell, and Bartell were really really bad.
Huff has been above average his whole career. Worthy of his salary? Prolly not… but what does it cost to replace him? And he might still get better at CB.
Covering just one guy seems more suited to him than trying to anticipate the play of many. I disagree with Reggie when he said he should return to FS. Although anything would be better than Gio. Adams and Hanson might be ok at CB, if thats how they want to save money next year. No way should Gio be on any NFL football field though. He makes Schweigert look awesome.
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Matt Giordano blows Jerome Boyd out of the water any day of the week.
And I had a Boyd jersey.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
In a trade down I might also try to make a run at Warmack in the 1st too. See if we can get him and Jones.
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Not happening, but how would that line up?
Jones obviously can play pretty much any position…
Veld-Warmack-Wiz-Nix/Berg-Jones?
Young stud frigging lineup for 5 years!
February 17th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
I think there’d be a nice buzz of excitement if Reggie nabbed just ONE big name impact FA on offense and ONE on defense.
He can dump Huff and a couple of the other bug contract guys…maybe keep DHB and fill the rest of the roster with udfa’s, draft picks, and other low cost gems…GB style.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
SHREK has no plan.
Scrap the offense, go with the ZBS, draft for the ZBS.
Scrap the offense, back to the original offense.
SHREK is grasping at straws.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
IF…DMAC can play like we know he can, it can be so huge that it dramatically affects the enitre offense.
It CAN happen. He’s got it in him. We’ve seen it at times.
In a contract season he may be up for the challenge.
February 17th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
If Shrek signs one impact player I’ll be STUNNED into silence.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Reggie is paranoid, he knows he cannot miss and that is the holdup.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
I like DHB, too. I can’t tell if he runs his routes correctly or not. That’s been one of the criticisms. I’m not convinced any of us semi pro’s can, except for the few who are all knowing and all seeing. They know who they are. Just ask ‘em.
But running routes is something receivers should get better and better at, especially hard working ones. And somebody here observed that Palmer and the receiving corps appeared to be progressing nicely as the 2011 season wound down. For all the receivers and Palmer to regress in Knapp’s new scheme is not a coincidence,in my opinion.
I’d love it if he were a more natural catcher, but he certainly has improved. I not only don’t cringe when the ball’s in the air going his way anymore, I expect him to catch it.
He does everything else very well. He’s big, fast, strong, and a great blocker. And tough plus he’s got an attitude, which I like.
I wouldn’t cut him.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
The part that’s getting lost on some of you is the SALARY that DHB and Huffhave next year.
THAT is the reason they are potential cap casualties in my mind.
10 million for DHB and 11 million for Huff?
No way they should be making that.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
In two seasons, D-Moore has 13 TD’s.
In four seasons, DHB has 11.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Huff has a slim chance of making his salary.
DHB has zero chance.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Neither may be worth what they are making but that is the nature of sports today when you force players to re-neg every year that’s what happens. They did force the Raiders to make those move sthe Raiders asked them to help. So don’t blame the players how many time should they re-neg before they get their money?
February 17th, 2013 at 8:26 pm
Why is Bergstrom considered a ZBS guy?
Steve Wisniewski is the guy credited with “uncovering” him as a potential NFL guard.
Back to RT for him, where he was first team all Pac 12.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
That’s Palmer forcing the ball to Moore almost every down and throwing picks as he does it.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
DHB hasn’t been asked to restructure yet.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
D-Moore had 3 TD’s in 4 games with Jason Campbell.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Gdog Says:
If we draft Warmack I am fine rolling the dice that Nix or Bergstrom can fill in for the horrible, horrible, horrible Brisiel.
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Brisiel is highly regarded and Houston fans were upset losing him. The party line is he was hurtin’ bad but soldiered on ’cause nobody was good enough to step in. If true, I’ll reserve judgement. What we saw was pretty horrible. But not as bad as Barnes backup, and he was healthy.
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Another reason it was pointless to cut Barksdale. Didn’t save one nickel. A cut for the sake of a cut. Stupid.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
3 TD’s in 4 games with Soup, 1 TD in 1 game with TP, and 9 TD’s in 21 games with Palmer.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Barksdale was a no-show for OTA’s, that’s why he was cut.
Made a lesson out of him.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Uh oh. Palmer bashing about to commence. Back to ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers’
February 17th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
SHREK has no plan.
Scrap the offense, go with the ZBS, draft for the ZBS.
Scrap the offense, back to the original offense.
SHREK is grasping at straws.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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All you do is biatch and moan. Unless you have any better ideas shut the fkn fck up.
BAN DR Cunter S Thomson
February 17th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Obviously not you, Vegas.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
He does everything else very well. He’s big, fast, strong, and a great blocker. And tough plus he’s got an attitude, which I like.
I wouldn’t cut him.
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Only if a TEAM is important. Hard work and doing the things that don’t show up on the fantasy players scoreboard (BLOCKING) need to be rewarded.
Nice to see the 100-post-a-day JFB pointing towards TDs instead.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
I like DHB, and hope they bring him back on a restructured deal.
He is committed to being a Raider, he just isn’t a top 50 NFL WR.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Uh oh. Palmer bashing about to commence. Back to ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers’
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Yup…. here comes the late night Kiddy Patrol!
I am out…
February 17th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
JFB stop boring me, Palmer forces the ball to Moore a lot they aren’t all TD’s but he forces it to him more than he should when DHB could be the better option at times. I would take Moore over DHB given most situations but he overdoes it…period
There are times when he needs tp spread teh ball around more instead of getting into his tunnel vision trances.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Purvis, I agree on DHB. He is making a ton of money though.
I’m okay with moving on from Huff and Kelly, AND DHB if he doesn’t restructure.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
I saw Soup force a ball to Moore deep in Buffalo into triple coverage, for a TD.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:49 pm
Ahh, the DHB saga continues.
Dude is a warrior, tough and seems to be a team player.
But, he can’t catch a football all that well.
Do you want to pay a guy that much because he’s tough and a team player? I don’t see him getting any better, I see Craptree getting better though.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Each player on “that list,” will need to be cut/released if not traded or restructured.
February 17th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
I just hope Reggie which is a huge hope isn’t as crazy as you guys who wnat to CUT someone everytime the make a few more bucks than they should you’ll never ever biuld a team. Contracts just get out of whack no matter how hard you try not to. It’s part of the business NOBODY is worth what they are getting.
You cannot biuld a team on a shoestring budget. Not saying who they should keep and who they shouldn’t just saying. You guys are crazy with this he’s making too much money crap.
That’s the business they’re in you cannot cry everytime that exist because it will always exist……..period
Soon as you get rid of these guys you’ll need to do it again because there will always be players getting paid what they’re not worth and players NOT getting paid what they’re worth. It all washes out in the end.
IT’S THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
February 17th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
DHB is way overpaid, but he has some utility.
Has to be used correctly.
Still has problems with his hands and tracking the ball (esp over the shoulder), but is actually pretty good when he faces the QB. Despite his terrific top speed he is not much of a deep threat, but is always a threat to break a tackle and gain substantial YAC.
Very good size and an adept blocker.
Mike Puff, on the other hand is a useless turd.
There isn’t a single thing he does well – except talk.
He brings absolutely NOTHING to the table, except for being versatile.
Problem is, his versatility means nothing because he’s pure mediocrity or worse at everything he does.
He is NOT a corner. Although he has good overall athleticism, he doesn’t have the footspeed to play CB.
Will be burnt deep if put on an island.
His safety play stinks. Does not anticipate well, as is evidenced by the pathetic interception total he has accumulated over the years. He’s still in single digits.
He can’t hit to save his life. He is a marginal tackler.
This is a guy that hasn’t managed to score a defensive touchdown in 8 years in Oakland.
He has made TWO impact plays his entire career.
The strip sack of Rivers, and the game ending pick in Houston.
Puff is vastly overpaid, should be considered a huge bust, and will not be missed at all.
Easily replaced.
He can cram his talk about finally playing in a ‘real’ defense up his keyster – he’s one of the reasons our defense has been ‘real’ bad.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:17 pm
For me, it’s not a standpoint of guys are overpaid so let’s cut ‘em. If this were baseball I wouldn’t care how much any of them made. I’m sure the Davis family and the minority owners have plenty of money to live on, but having to work within the cap restriction, you look at what some guys are taking up in that regard and it hinders spending money on other players who might help us more.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:22 pm
Bring back Willie Brown and George Atkinson.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
1127
Yep, look at what Reece is making. Peanuts compared to some.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
The best thing you cna do is manage your team the best way you can and the great GM’s do it the best. The key is to have psoition coaches who get out of players what they have to offer. In a lot of cases it isn’t the player so much as it is the situation he’s been put in.
Take that same player in a better situation and he can live up to the demand his money commands. That’s why I say when you always look at what a specific player is making maybe just maybe it’s NOT all his fault.
Every situation is not so cut and dry…..Man look what he’s making!!!
The Raiders need to staighten their hands and maybe these contracts wont look as bad as they do. I think som of these players are underutilized or used wrong. But we can all agree to disagree I just see things different.
February 17th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Players who deserve a raise:
Vehldeer > the only one who should be making $10 million,
Reece> at least double if not triple his current salary, which isn’t even 2 million,
Wisniewski> solid at one position, great at another,
Condo> he proved season opener how valuable he is to this team.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Lol
Loyal
February 17th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
J Hill Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
The part that’s getting lost on some of you is the SALARY that DHB and Huffhave next year.
THAT is the reason they are potential cap casualties in my mind.
10 million for DHB and 11 million for Huff?
No way they should be making that.
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Exactly! DHB this, DHB that. Look, I like DHB’s attitude and I hope the kid makes it but he is NOT worth 10 million. Sorry.
February 17th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
DHB can’t be counted on to catch the ball consistently (a darn near given for any WR getting any kind of playing time at this level) and people are rationalizing why we should keep him for $10 million. Lol. Get a kick out of some of you.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Nobody SAID HE WAS STUPID, now what’s your argument?
February 17th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
120 million
QBs- 12
WRs- 10
RBs- 10
TEs- 6
OLs- 20
STs- 4
DL- 20
LBs- 15
DBs- 20
That leaves around 3 million to move around, performance of players will adjust this
February 17th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
No matter what you do YOU will never get proportionate play for pay. It’s impossible no matter how diligent you are and how hard you try because players are not robots. Some will be underpaid and some will be overpaid so you’ll be having tghis argument until the day you die.
It would be different in a PERFECT world but this aint it…………..GET IT!!!
February 17th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
DHB catches and blocks like he is a TE.
February 17th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
I understand, as others have pointed out, the players still on that list are Ninety percent of our payroll, none are AP, Megatron, Brady, Rogers, Brees, Fitzgerald, or Revis; hell they’re not even Thomas, Lynch, Nelson, Ryan, Dalton, or Smith.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:23 am
Here’s the story on DHB: He was in way over his head from the moment he was drafted. There was no way he was ever going to live up to the expectations heaped upon him, from the start. He started rough, but worked really, really hard (give him that). He became a very serviceable receiver for the Raiders – but $10 million? C’mon people! He has already made WAY more money than he ever would have made in an Al-less world. Good luck to him, going forward – in another uniform.
As for Huff, the time of parting is close at hand – can’t afford you, dude!
February 18th, 2013 at 2:48 am
I’d rather see Brian Hartline in a Raider uniform than DHB.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:48 am
Huff, Kelly, and DHB seem like prime candidates for salary cap casualties.
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Jhill,
I agree
what does that make Palmer, McClain & Branch?
scholarship candidates ??
February 18th, 2013 at 3:54 am
I think we are fine at CB with Huff and Hanson for one year… Adams as fill in.
We do need at least two d-linemen to replace Kelly and upgrade Shonasty.
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Gdog,
the D-Line has been known as the “strength of our defense” for quite some time now. You’re suggesting we scrap half of it AND leave the turds alone in the secondary ??
recipe for disaster
February 18th, 2013 at 4:55 am
Oakland Raiders: There’s a major problem with using the franchise tag on punter Shane Lechler, apart from the fact that the Raiders have landed in a salary cap black hole. While the franchise tag for punters and kickers will be an affordable $2.9 million in 2013, Lechler’s cap number last year was $4.9 million. Under the CBA, he’s entitled to a 120 percent raise over that number, which translates to a cap number of $5.88 million. It could be time for the much cheaper Marquette King, a converted receiver who has drawn comparisons to the monster-legged Reggie Roby. Either way, it’s hard to imagine that the cap-strapped Raiders would pay a punter twice the amount of the base franchise tag for punters.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/team-by-team-look-at-who-wouldcouldshould-be-tagged/
February 18th, 2013 at 4:57 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/17/with-free-agency-looming-heres-a-list-of-all-of-them/
FA list
cross off all the big names and that is who BigMac will consider signing
2013 themes: GO CHEAP & GO DEEP !!
February 18th, 2013 at 5:53 am
2013 = Code Freshness
Can Carson’s stale azz!!
February 18th, 2013 at 6:21 am
RockStar:
I agree with you. As much as I have loved Lechler over the years, and as many times as he has bailed the Raiders out of bad situations with his booming kicks, it’s time to save some money. If Reggie builds up the rest of the team, the Raiders won’t have to rely on 65 yard punts anymore, just to survive. King will do just fine, for now. Raiders just need to make sure to get a good holder for SeaBass placekicks! AND REPLACE THE TURF ON THE FIELD, FINALLY!!
February 18th, 2013 at 6:32 am
I don’t think Lechler will be back, but I also don’t think they are going to hand the keys over to King so easily.
He will be pushed with competition, and if we end up keeping all these 6th and 7th round picks (I think we have 4 now with some comp ones in the pipeline) we might just draft a punter in the 7th round as well.
King’s biggest issue to staying? Holding. He sucked at it, and it is a crucial component to being a punter.
Seabass may end up with the final word on who our punter is.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:35 am
I guess if King is super impressive punting, and still can’t hold, they coudl utilize the 3rd string QB as the holder, but ideally your punter is the one doing it.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:03 am
I still say that if the Raiders can get QB Landry Jones in the third round, that could go a long way toward solving the quarterback situation long-term .. and from what I understand, he’s a pretty good holder, as well.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Code frenshness indeed. Fire all the millionares! Lets get hungry
February 18th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Landry Jones is a New Mexican, I was really intrigued with him at OU, but I think he lacks the necessary arm-strength to be a long-term NFL starter.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:22 am
I have respected Gil Brandt for a long time. He recently put out his Mock Draft (a couple of weeks ago). See what y’all think:
1. KC – Luke Joeckel
2. Jags – Bjeorn Werner
3. Raiders – Geno Smith
4. Eagles – Warmack
5. Lions – Dee Milliner
6. Browns – D. Moore
7. Cards – Matt Barkley
8. Biils – Alec Ogletree
9. Jets – Jarvis Jones
10. Titans – Star L.
Not liking our pick, personally. As for the Cards – if this is true, when will they learn?!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:23 am
Condo isnt worth more just because dumb da didnt prepare a backup.. he’s out too. If your overpaid your cut. Code down for the clown
February 18th, 2013 at 7:30 am
Smith will go top 2. We should get our choice of defendersunless a de has a crazy combine and moves up.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:31 am
no coach in the nfl had a backup plan for their LS getting injured. just doesn’t happen. no one here remembers all the news about other teams installing backup long snappers the week after condo went down? my god the dennis allen haters are ridiculous. even if he does suck as a HC we won’t know until after a couple few years. maybe the rams should fire fisher, maybe the skins should have fired rat face after last year. comon people just calm down
February 18th, 2013 at 7:35 am
Our backup didn’t prepare himself.
TP looked pretty good week 17, without any practice reps all year. Lechler is 2 for 2 kicking extra points in his career, how many extra points do you think he kicks in practice?
Goethel signed up for the job, if he wasn’t prepared that’s 110% on him, he isn’t an hourly worker, his job is to prepared to do what the coach asks of him.
AFter botching the first snap, HE DIDN’T EVEN GO TO THE SIDELINES AND PRACTICE!!!!!
F that guy
February 18th, 2013 at 7:38 am
One of the sports agencies commented on the availability of Seymour, noting how “his leadership really helped to cement the defensive front for the Raiders, while he was there” … what a joke!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:44 am
I watched a Vikings game last year, when their LS went out and the backup was Jared Allen.
After he got off the field defensively he IMMEDIATELY went over to the punter and practiced firing off multiple snaps until he felt ready.
Came in and snapped flawlessly.
Goethel is a POS for not being prepared, and then not even TRYING to crash course the test during the game by practicing on the sidelines.
Not like he was on the field defensively anyways. He just stood there with a stupid look on his face.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:44 am
Nobody said fire da.. you calm down. Learn to read. Fire everybody overpaid. My mom can longsnap. Cut him.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Agreed. Condo = Gone-do
February 18th, 2013 at 7:49 am
Goethel = pronounced: GAY-thul
February 18th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Either my phone or this site is struggling.. new post soon?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Gaythel sucks. Gone. Basicly anybody making more than a million is overpaid on this team. There are no good players outside of cp3 , reece , houston and seabass and even theyre making too much dough.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Work sounds like bs today.. its perfect outside i wanna take my boat out.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:31 am
no coach in the nfl had a backup plan for their LS getting injured. just doesn’t happen. no one here remembers all the news about other teams installing backup long snappers the week after condo went down? my god the dennis allen haters are ridiculous. even if he does suck as a HC we won’t know until after a couple few years. maybe the rams should fire fisher, maybe the skins should have fired rat face after last year. comon people just calm down
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Fisher and Rat face are established coaches with big resumes. DA aka Titty Monkey can’t be compared to these guys.
-DA is a wishy washy biotch monkey. He said the ZBS is what he believes in and support, but he changed the scheme after one year.
-He hired Knapp as OC
-He is clueless about the offense
-He is not a good/ great game manager
February 18th, 2013 at 8:13 am
I think we are going to have a top 5 pick next year, and DA will get fired.
I hope I’m wrong.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Having a top 5 pick would be like kissing your sister, when you know Clowney will be on the board, then gone by #2……….GGGGRRRRRrrr
February 18th, 2013 at 8:23 am
Marks Hair
You have been doing an OUTSTANDING job at work lately your peers can’t even carry your thong.
You go ahead and take your boat out, I got your back.
Jesus said!!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Damn, I miss (A) being close to enough to water to warrant the thought of you or your buddies having a boat and (B) living somewhere to where taking your boat out on Feb 18th is a viable option.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:25 am
Damn, I miss (A) being close to enough to water to warrant the thought of you or your buddies having a boat and (B) living somewhere to where taking your boat out on Feb 18th is a viable option.
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Yeah, but you are safe. lol
February 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
Players who deserve a raise:
Condo> he proved season opener how valuable he is to this team.
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Did Bo Schem Jackson read this?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Having a top 5 pick would be like kissing your sister, when you know Clowney will be on the board, then gone by #2……….GGGGRRRRRrrr
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Down for the Clown!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Yeah, but you are safe. lol
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Yup, and 3,000 sq foot houses in the nice part of town cost 200K.
You take the good with the bad I guess.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am
You People are funny.
Blame our backup LB for not being prepared, when DA said he practiced LS after/ during practice, and our Punter said that wasn’t true. According to Lechler, Goethel didn’t practice LS.
It’s the coaches job to make sure their team is ready. You can’t expect every player to be dedicated and have a great work ethic like Manning, Ray, Etc….
February 18th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Marks hair Says: Condo isnt worth more just because dumb da didnt prepare a backup.. he’s out too. If your overpaid your cut. Code down for the clown
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DJ Johnny Says:
Yes. Why don’t we tank the season so we can draft Clowney and then tank again so we can get a top QB in 2015 and then again lose every game in 2015 so we can draft # 1 again in 2016.
By the time we get to 2017 we’ll have a few good players and can maybe look at a .500 season.
Of course, we’ll have to resign Clowney by that time and it’ll cost a bunch so we can’t keep him…so we just keep on tanking for another 3 yr’s and then start all over again.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:40 am
200K?!
That’s great.
Effin SD….. 200K will buy you a 10000-1250^2 feet in the ghetto that was built 60 years ago.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Being prepared to do your job is a “great work ethic”??
That is what is wrong with today’s youth!!!!!
It’s your job, being prepared to do your job is the bare minimum work ethic, IMO.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Our backup didn’t prepare himself.
AFter botching the first snap, HE DIDN’T EVEN GO TO THE SIDELINES AND PRACTICE!!!!!
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Can’t blame him. After hiring Knapp, who’d of thought we’d ever have to punt again.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am
We need to draft quality O-linemen … because the Chefs are going to suck (again), get the #1 pick (again) and get Clowney – then, we’ll have to face him two times a year!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:44 am
LMAO Purvis
Solid….very solid
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Yeah, I remember – Knapp said that the ZBS was going to revolutionize the ground game. It sure did – it was truly REVOLTING!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am
It’s the coaches job to make sure their team is ready.
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I have a sneaking suspicion SOMEONE on the staff at some point in time asked Goethel if he was ready.
And I am sure the response wasn’t “F no coach, I got no clue what I am doing”.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Landry Jones is a New Mexican
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Is that like a ‘Wave of the Future’ Mexican?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Our backup didn’t prepare himself.
AFter botching the first snap, HE DIDN’T EVEN GO TO THE SIDELINES AND PRACTICE!!!!!
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Can’t blame him. After hiring Knapp, who’d of thought we’d ever have to punt again.
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LMMFAO
Yeah, running like an OREGON offense – Makin it rain Touchdowns….. Rackin up 28 points in the 1st qtr.
4th and 8…..Go for it….AND CONVERT.
BOOYAH
February 18th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Raider O Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:13 am
I think we are going to have a top 5 pick next year, and DA will get fired.
I hope I’m wrong.
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I don’t believe this for a second. I hope I am wrong.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
LMAO Purvis
Solid….very solid
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Thank you very muuuch. I’m here all week.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:01 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:54 am
I think we are fine at CB with Huff and Hanson for one year… Adams as fill in.
We do need at least two d-linemen to replace Kelly and upgrade Shonasty.
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Gdog,
the D-Line has been known as the “strength of our defense” for quite some time now. You’re suggesting we scrap half of it AND leave the turds alone in the secondary ??
recipe for disaster
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PFF would disagree with you. Both Kelly and Shonasty were horrible last year.. bottom of the league in their respective positions.
Tommy Kelly was ranked 74th out of 85 DTs.
Shonasty was ranked 55th out of 62 “4-3″ DEs.
We can’t do better than THAT?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Our backup didn’t prepare himself.
AFter botching the first snap, HE DIDN’T EVEN GO TO THE SIDELINES AND PRACTICE!!!!!
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Can’t blame him. After hiring Knapp, who’d of thought we’d ever have to punt again.
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ROFL
Who are going to score 30+ points every game.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:06 am
Were there really no posts from 8:48 to 9:01?
Something’s hinky.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:08 am
Shonasty is still under contract and isn’t bad against the run… but was nearly the worst pass rushing DE in the entire NFL. We at least need to get him out on passing downs. A FA pass rushing specialist shouldn’t be hard to find.
Tommy Kelly is as good as gone, too little production at too steep of price… if Reggie restructures him he has no idea what he is doing. These are things to be looking out for during the off season… at least I am…
February 18th, 2013 at 9:10 am
“Offensive coordinator Olson speaks for first time”
No schyyyt? My son said his first words at 7 months old….why did it take this Olson guy so long to learn how to speak?
This really casts doubt on this hiring.
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You people!!!
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Dakota aka White Devil is a funny poster.
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Yes, and he makes funny “fake” news too.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Mex,
And he provides fake links. lol
The White Devil is one of my favorite posters here.
He gave us the bushmaster5000 and operation neuter wolverine.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Raider O Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Mex,
And he provides fake links. lol
The White Devil is one of my favorite posters here.
He gave us the bushmaster5000 and operation neuter wolverine.
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LOL O!
I was here when he started that thing and the funniest were the “WTF answers” from the other posters.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Still think trading down twice in the 1st has the biggest upside. We can still get a quality DE by the mid 1st…. Posibly lock up a 2nd or two, and maybe even future picks.
NOBODY in that top 3 look sexy enough to blow that pick on. They just don’t.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:32 am
Is it Friday yet? Chit!
February 18th, 2013 at 9:34 am
will lose every game this yeaR
and next year and will get the first overall pick in two years in a roW
and since we lost 32 games in a row nobody will come to the games
this is the business they’re not in a 4 health they had that when they started
I swear to God some of you people are dumber than a box of rocks.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:41 am
willy91137 Says:
will lose every game this yeaR
and next year and will get the first overall pick in two years in a roW
and since we lost 32 games in a row nobody will come to the games
this is the business they’re not in a 4 health they had that when they started
I swear to God some of you people are dumber than a box of rocks.
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You’ll fit right in.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:41 am
willy91137 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 9:34 am
will lose every game this yeaR
and next year and will get the first overall pick in two years in a roW
and since we lost 32 games in a row nobody will come to the games
this is the business they’re not in a 4 health they had that when they started
I swear to God some of you people are dumber than a box of rocks.
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Um Ernest Hemingway isn’t this kinda like the “pot calling the kettle black?”
February 18th, 2013 at 9:53 am
You play to win the game
you don’t play to lose the game
and what the hell does Ernest HEMINGWAY have to do with this;;;
everybody has their own ideas did Hemingway watch football no that done mass committed suicide
February 18th, 2013 at 9:57 am
I was reffering to your eloquent style of prose!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:08 am
As a man you should not judge you should understand what;;;;;;;;;
February 18th, 2013 at 10:19 am
this is the business they’re not in a 4 health they had that when they started
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Monkey with a keyboard!
WTF does that translate to in Human English?
February 18th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Exactly O!!
I was trying to be nice.
Gibberish Monkey
February 18th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Priesttj12 Says:
February 17th, 2013 at 8:56 pm
I just hope Reggie which is a huge hope isn’t as crazy as you guys who wnat to CUT someone everytime the make a few more bucks than they should you’ll never ever biuld a team. Contracts just get out of whack no matter how hard you try not to. It’s part of the business NOBODY is worth what they are getting.
You cannot biuld a team on a shoestring budget. Not saying who they should keep and who they shouldn’t just saying. You guys are crazy with this he’s making too much money crap.
That’s the business they’re in you cannot cry everytime that exist because it will always exist……..period
Soon as you get rid of these guys you’ll need to do it again because there will always be players getting paid what they’re not worth and players NOT getting paid what they’re worth. It all washes out in the end.
IT’S THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS!!!
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LOL…this is hilarious! It might hold water if the Raiders were some kind of Dynasty just off a string of Super Bowl wins. Truth is we are one of the worst teams in the league with a roster full of non-talents that somehow have the highest payroll in the business. We have no cap-room, seem to be short of cash, and have less than a full compliment of draft picks…like we could afford to pay for a full slate of draft picks anyways.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Jim,
Don’t be nice and don’t give chances here. Just have fun bro.
“Are you not entertained?”
I’m.
Release the Monkeys!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Ruthless Monkeys!!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Man, I think alot of folks got the day off today.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am
King’s biggest issue to staying? Holding. He sucked at it, and it is a crucial component to being a punter.
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Why do I think that most holders are backup QBs? I don’t pay much attention to whos holding but I have noticed the backup QB being the holder on more than a few teams.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:53 am
For beautiful eyes look for the good in others for beautiful lips speak only words
of kindness and for poise . Walk with the knowledge THAT YOU ARE NEVER ALONE
No I’m not dumb are you I have 76 years on this earth how many years to you have.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:55 am
DHB is very good after the catch. Not very good at getting open or fighting for the ball. World class speed but I’ve never seen him out run any DB on deep route. He is a no 3 WR at best.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am
WTF is this a Hallmark card or your E-harmony profile?
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Willy91137 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:53 am
For beautiful eyes look for the good in others for beautiful lips speak only words
of kindness and for poise . Walk with the knowledge THAT YOU ARE NEVER ALONE
No I’m not dumb are you I have 76 years on this earth how many years to you have.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:56 am
Oh s#$#$#$tt! Was that an earth tremor I just felt?! Oh, never mind, it was JaMarcus getting out of bed! Looks like he’s gettin’ himself in prime shape for a comeback!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:57 am
Willy went to the Forrest Gump school of lexicon
February 18th, 2013 at 10:59 am
MONKEY!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 11:04 am
I want 2 firsts next year. So many guys I’m more excited about than this year’s crop.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:06 am
realtruraider Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:48 am
King’s biggest issue to staying? Holding. He sucked at it, and it is a crucial component to being a punter.
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Why do I think that most holders are backup QBs? I don’t pay much attention to whos holding but I have noticed the backup QB being the holder on more than a few teams.
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OR THE STARTING QB……….See “Tony Romo” Gaff in the playoffs a couple years back…LOLOLOL.
Muffs the snap, then gets up to run it in from like the 10 or something….Gets creamed at the 1, with the game on the line.
I was ROTFL MMFAO
February 18th, 2013 at 11:06 am
rediaR Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:04 am
I want 2 firsts next year. So many guys I’m more excited about than this year’s crop.
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Two words…..
TRADE DOWN……..TRADE DOWN
February 18th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
“@nflnetwork: Mike Mayock on #NFLDraft class: ‘we probably have better depth than we’ve had in 10 years. >> hard for #Raiders to trade down
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Not sure about the depth for QBs, if Geno is there at #3 Im sure Reggie will get some offers
February 18th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Unconventional, but why not a WR as the holder? Good hands (not DHB), speed.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:10 am
DAMN IT
February 18th, 2013 at 11:12 am
QB depth is Poo Poo
February 18th, 2013 at 11:13 am
No way Lechler is kept just because he’s a holder. Gotta get rid of these ridiculous contracts!
Trading down to get a mid-late first and a second seems like the best way to go right now. Just not sure who would be eager to trade up with this draft class. Top 10-15 picks all seem roughly the same to me
February 18th, 2013 at 11:15 am
No way Lechler is kept just because he’s a holder.
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Of course not, but if King can’t learn to hold, he better average 50 yards a kick or he won’t be the punter either.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Still remember Jano on the fake end around. The genius of Tom Cable. Then, to put the cherry on top Tommy proclaims that he’d call it again.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
I have been saying it for awhile, if we do trade down, there is going to be a lot of disappointed people in here at the package we get back.
I doubt we get even a 2nd out of it, unless we defer it to next year.
Probably trade down 3-4 spots, and get a 4th and 5th.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Trading down to get a mid-late first and a second seems like the best way to go right now. Just not sure who would be eager to trade up with this draft class. Top 10-15 picks all seem roughly the same to me
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Yeah, always seems to be the case on draft day though, that somebody gets “Buck Fever” and all of a sudden, they HAVE TO GET THEIR GUY…..Seems like everything after pick #5 ends up unpredictable. Lots of head scratching and eyebrow raising from then on.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:19 am
I doubt we get even a 2nd out of it, unless we defer it to next year.
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I’d be ok with that.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Seems like if you defer the pick to the following year, you get an extra round out of it.
So someone might offer us a 4th in 2012 to move up a few spots, or a 2013 3rd.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
I have been saying it for awhile, if we do trade down, there is going to be a lot of disappointed people in here at the package we get back.
I doubt we get even a 2nd out of it, unless we defer it to next year.
Probably trade down 3-4 spots, and get a 4th and 5th.
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If that happens Reggie got hosed. The values aren’t even close there.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:16 am
I have been saying it for awhile, if we do trade down, there is going to be a lot of disappointed people in here at the package we get back.
I doubt we get even a 2nd out of it, unless we defer it to next year.
Probably trade down 3-4 spots, and get a 4th and 5th.
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Why would you think that? I guess everything depends on how far BACK we trade, and how far UP our partner is jumping….But a 4th and 5th seems out of the question.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am
The values aren’t even close there.
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Look at last years trades from #3 and on tell me why.
Vikings traded from 3 to 4, and got a 4th and a 6th.
Tampa traded from 5 to 7, and got a 4th.
Dallas moved up from 14 to 6, costing only a 2nd.
I think we will have to move down 6-7 spots to get an outright 2013 2nd.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:31 am
Excuse me, Vikings traded from 3 to 4 and got a 4th, 5th and 7th.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:33 am
And no team has traded up during the draft into the top half of the first round and took an offensive lineman in 5 years.
Last one, Jeff Otah, who was a massive flop.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:27 am
I think we will have to move down 6-7 spots to get an outright 2013 2nd.
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That’s what I’m thinking/hoping will happen. Trade down to 9-12 and get a 2nd. But that’s probably just wishful thinking
February 18th, 2013 at 11:35 am
I suggested O ad run out of monkey adjectives the other day and he said “never”.
Keyboard monkey is gonna stick.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Rumored, Jerry Jones wants our pick. If it were true, and we swapped 1st’s….They’d still be 1300 points in the hole for value, and the 1st pick of round 2 is only worth 580 points.
NOT SAYING it will happen but, there’s a chance to make a killing with that pick.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:42 am
If we traded with Dallas, they’d have to give us like 4 picks man…..
February 18th, 2013 at 11:44 am
After #1 and #2, next best value in the draft is #8 and #12 by one interesting set of criteria too convoluted to go into here.
Been reccommending this article for days. It’s very much worth skimming at least.
An alternative approach to draft slot value
By NinjaGoro on Feb 9
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/9/3970438/an-approach-to-draft-slot-value
February 18th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Forgot these charts, just look at what happened last year in the top 10 movement.
That’s what you should expect.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Mayock said on a conference call Monday that some people will say he’s crazy to potentially take a guard at No. 1 overall, but Mayock says Warmack is the best player in this draft. So he doesn’t see it as crazy at all.
In the end, Mayock believes the pick could come down to Joekel or Warmack. This is a draft in which the top-shelf players don’t stand apart too much, and there might not be a huge difference between picks No. 5 and 25. That makes it a tricky spot for the Chiefs.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140130/article/mike-mayock-kansas-city-chiefs-four-options-for-no-1?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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Interesting
February 18th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Vegas makes a good point. The market just might not be there, in which case…stand pat and get the BPA. Late rounders not worth it IMO.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:50 am
“I don’t like to be in the top 10. I’d much rather be in positions 16-22,” Mike Mayock said of where he’d want to be in this draft.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:53 am
The biggest value in trading down a few spots is the reduced salary of the rookie’s contract.
The difference between #3 and #7 last year was about 2.7 million per year in cap space (as long as the rookie is around for all 4 years of his contract) and about $10 million in real dollars.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:54 am
TRADE INTO NEXT YEARS DRAFT..WILL GET MORE VALUE..
February 18th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Marks hair Says:
Work sounds like bs today.. its perfect outside i wanna take my boat out.
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jesusraiderjim Says:
Marks Hair
You have been doing an OUTSTANDING job at work lately your peers can’t even carry your thong.
You go ahead and take your boat out, I got your back.
Jesus said!!
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What would Jesus do?
Go fishing!
February 18th, 2013 at 11:56 am
The chart value is still valid, but it all depends on if we are the ones making the call to trade down (then we won’t get as much value) or if someone calls us to trade up (then obviously we will get closer to the charted value)
February 18th, 2013 at 11:57 am
And the chart will make GMs feel like they are gettin a deal
February 18th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Yeah, I remember – Knapp said that the ZBS was going to revolutionize the ground game. It sure did – it was truly REVOLTING!
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im not a knapp fan but didn’t we run the ball all day long on opponents when mcfadden was out? and that was a FB. everyone else in the league does fine with ZBS. DA nor Knapp ruined this offense. our players did. carson and Dmac have to go
February 18th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
the problem with the ZBS is that you have to be a smart runner. mcfadden is dumber than a bag of bricks.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
why don’t we ask what our FB marcel reece thought of the ZBS when he was starting?
February 18th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Not only that, DHB is fearless. Got knocked the FUGG out twice…. driven off in Ambulance
Then back out on the field in NO TIME.
I hope they can restructure him.
Fearless but catches the ball with his torso. NO!!!!
February 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
1252.DaRaiders022 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Not only that, DHB is fearless. Got knocked the FUGG out twice…. driven off in Ambulance
Then back out on the field in NO TIME.
I hope they can restructure him.
Fearless but catches the ball with his torso. NO!!!!
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Didn’t he have at least two spectacular catches (wasn’t one of them 1 handed)?
He just has issues with rountine catches, so sad…
May 21st, 2013 at 9:54 pm
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