Mayock likes DT Floyd as Raiders top pick
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, February 18th, 2013 at 11:58 am in Oakland Raiders.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said in a national conference call he thought Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd could be a potential target for the Raiders with the No. 3 overall pick in the 2013 NFL draft.
Mayock, available in advance of this week’s NFL scouting combine, said he liked Floyd (6-foot-3, 303 pounds) ahead of Utah’s Star Lotulelei (6-4, 325), a player who heading into the combine is considered to be more of a top 10 pick than Floyd on most lists.
“Oakland is in a very good place. They need D-linemen, and they can get one in this draft. This kid from the University of Florida, Sharrif Floyd, he’s the prototypical three-technique in this draft and I think he’s going to be a big-time impact player that people don’t know about,” Mayock said. “I’ve got him rated higher than the Utah kid and he’s a natural at what they do.”
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour is an unrestricted free agent, as is injury-replacement in the starting lineup, Desmond Bryant. Starter Tommy Kelly is no lock to return because of a high salary cap number.
The Raiders are presently without picks in the second and fifth rounds because of trades for Carson Palmer and Aaron Curry in 2011. They’ve added a second seventh-round pick in the Louis Murphy deal to Carolina and also will probably receive a compensatory pick or picks by the time the draft takes place.
While trading the No. 3 overall pick is no doubt enticing, and would potentially enable the Raiders to recoup the lost picks, it may be easier said than done.
Mayock said the 2013 draft is exceptionally deep because of a strong junior class, but not particularly top heavy.
“I think the fifth pick in the draft and the 25th pick are very similar,” Mayock said.
Mayock, who correctly forecast the Raiders selection of Darrius Heyward-Bey in 2009 well in advance of the draft based on the way Al Davis leaned heavily on size, strength and speed, said the organization has changed the way it identifies talent in the Reggie McKenzie-Dennis Allen era.
“I think there’s a very radical divergence from the past Raider way,” Mayock said. “I don’t mean that positively or negatively. I just mean different. I like where Reggie and Dennis are headed. Reggie comes from Green Bay. In Green Bay, Ted Thompson’s been a guy that grinds. He’s out in the field all the time. He’s a true old-school evaluator, where h wants a football player first and an athlete second, and I think Mr. Davis was a little bit the opposite.
“He wanted that athlete first and that he thought he could mold into a football player.”
Mayock also sees four offensive linemen as being players who could go in the top three _ Texas A&M tackle Luke Joekel, Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher, Alabama guard Chance Warmack and North Carolina guard Jonathan Cooper.
The Raiders could use an instant starter at either at right tackle, where Khalif Barnes is a free agent, or either guard spot, where Mike Brisiel was brought in because of his familiarity with the zone bocking scheme and Cooper Carlisle is a free agent.
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February 18th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Jerry coming through again
February 18th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
McShay has Floyd ranked at #7, so taking him would not be a major surprise. Did anyone see him play a lot last year?
February 18th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
We need yet another 3 tec? I dont know.. if he cant play 3/4 i doubt we draft him..
February 18th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Maycock likes were Reggie and Denise are going? I guess he likes unemployed jackas$es!!
February 18th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Fisher might be a good fit.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
But i still think we’ll fall in love with a de at the combine.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
7?
February 18th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Shesa beauty that number 9!!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Rip to Mr. Buss. Started with a thousand bucks and finished with 10 championships.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Right on Cork/McD keep it coming!
I don’t mind Mayock, he’s less d0uchey than some of these talking heads…
February 18th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Interior DLinemen are a sketchy gamble high on the draft board. Too many flameouts to even list.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
65 and sunny here in central ca.. global warming is nice this time of yr..
February 18th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Yes we need defensive help badly. But, we also need O-line help badly too. Luke Joeckel, OT would be a great pick. Let he & Veldheer compete for the OLT position while the loser of that competition, still a powerful tackle, will man the ORT position. That would solidify our O-tackles for the next 7-10 years. Plug in a couple of guards and were good to go.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Werner, Warmack, Lotulelei, Milliner = my personal choices for #3 right now, based on limited research. Warmack seems like the safest choice.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
But SOMEONE will find some body to target high and trade down with us, even if it means we don’t get a BUNCH in return. May just be a later 1 and a 3 or something. Or our 1 and 3 for their 1,2 & 3 something small.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
They would be a lot better off if they traded down for a late 1 and a 2+. They have so many holes and putting a big paycheck on a low #1 pick does not have a good history in Raiderland.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Warmack at 3 becomes the highest picked guard in the history of NFL draft.
Not counting washout tackles like Gallery or Mandarich.
I think John Hannah was selected 4th overall….
February 18th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Mayock. The guy who infamously exclaimed how Burfict was “undraftable”.
He had to eat some crow on that one.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
I think the combine will change the draft outlook.
Every year a couple of kids climb up the ranks while others drop like rocks.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
The Raider news these days is extremely boring.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
This Floyd to Oakland projection is really gaining a lot of steam. This is the 3rd time I’ve seen this in as many days.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
I think we only trade back if geno slips. And i really doubt that happening. Theres only 1 good qb. He should go #1.. joeckel #2….. we take whats left.. unless a de separates himself during the combine. Then maybe joeckel lands in our laps.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
We have a LT that is rated at #11 in the league.With all the other needs a T shouldn’t be our 1st priority.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Raiders for life Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
I think the combine will change the draft outlook.
Every year a couple of kids climb up the ranks while others drop like rocks.
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Always does
February 18th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
We need pass rushers imo.
Just our luck to have a high pick and to have there not much benefit to it.
The 16th pick won’t be that much different talent wise than the 3rd.
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Warmack at #3 ties for highest guard ever drafted with 3 others in 70’s/early 80’s. Not many ever taken in top 10 even, ever…
February 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Mayock. The guy who infamously exclaimed how Burfict was “undraftable”.
He had to eat some crow on that one.
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And he wasn’t drafted. Nobody (meaning nfl teams) thought he was worth the risk of a draft pick. He proved he can outplay his crazy for one year. Lets see if he can keep it up.
Does he play the Eagles this year? Maybe he can fake an injury.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
A pass rushing impact DE/OLB would be my choice if we actually pick at 3 or if we move back just a little…
February 18th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
I think we only trade back if geno slips. And i really doubt that happening. Theres only 1 good qb. He should go #1.. joeckel #2….. we take whats left.. unless a de separates himself during the combine. Then maybe joeckel lands in our laps.
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If Geno isn’t there when we pick I will be both surprised and excited.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Hard to pass on Joeckel if he’s on the board still tho…
February 18th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Only reason I call Warmack the “safest” choice is because I believe he will be an impact starter from day 1. However, $5M/yr is too much to pay for a G, so he’s only a good pick if we trade down. If the Raiders stay at #3, DE has got to be the pick
February 18th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
JLofty Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
A pass rushing impact DE/OLB would be my choice if we actually pick at 3 or if we move back just a little…
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I agree as long as these new scouts get the job done. I just don’t trust any of these D-Lineman this year.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
TRADE BACK FOR WARMACK!
February 18th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
i doubt mckenzie will take a big gamble with this #3 pick. we don’t have much cap space, so trading down is the better bet.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Yeah he doesn’t have to have a huge tradeback move. Just a few picks and pick up a few more picks later in the draft. I totally see Reggie “I like my picks” McK doing that.
February 18th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
We have a LT that is rated at #11 in the league.With all the other needs a T shouldn’t be our 1st priority.
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I agree, at least the O-line has some potential. Hopefully Sparano can get those guys to work as a unit. Would like to see Parsons step up his game and become the starting Center and move Wiz back to LG. Bergstrom needs to come through this year at RG or RT. Not sure what to think of Brisiell.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
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A bad year?
We have been stinking it up for a decade.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
What part of RAIDERS NEED PASS RUSHERS dont these guys get???
Dennis Allen said last year it would be nice if they had a pass rusher.. he comes from where they had Von Miller.
DT is deepest in the draft. NFL.Com scout said 10 DTS could go in Top 60. THE PREMIUM is higher on a PASS RUSHER.
A LEGIT speed/ power rusher could make ur whole line better.. would def make shannashey better who got dbl teamed
Im still weary of Daomontre Moore.. seems like he doesnt have elite burst. I have seen him top 10.. to late 1st round on some mocks.
I would also trade back and draft Dion Jordan who will be top 10 or Ezkeil Ansah with huge upside.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
but for what its worth alot of scouts love this Shariff floyd kid.. included Todd Mcsahy
February 18th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
I am skiddish on D Moore in this draft as well.
Didn’t see a lot of him this year, but my first reaction from his bowl game was he played awful high, and seemed to be all legs, with not much upper body.
He also got completely flattened on one-play by a FB.
He is young, so he has that on his side.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
Wow I have been sayin this for the last 2 months.
Matt Mayock just compared DION JORDAN to what ALDON SMITH is.. just compared the two. .said give DION 1-2 yrs and he will grow
February 18th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Aldon Smith got manhandled in the Super Bowl by a backup LT
February 18th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Oh yeah, Jordan has a REALLY high ceiling and he’s very fast, for as big as he is. He had his best games as a DE, though last year he played alot of LB. He’d be a solid pick if we traded back.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
As far as teams that would be willing to trade up (it is a short list) I would think AZ for Geno Smith or Barkley would be one, or the Bears to get an O-lineman. Steelers seem like a perfect team to take Ziggy, but they won’t move up to #3 to get him.
Really, it is a short list.
February 18th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
No really, it is a short list
February 18th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Well, everything will be all shook up by the start of next week anyway; with the combine in the rear view.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Mayock’s wrong on this one…for the Raiders right now, anyway.
Floyd is strong fundamentally, especially at the point of attack vs straight-ahead blocking. He’s also surprisingly agile in the open-field, like BS-artist Warren Sapp was. But, he’s not GREAT at shedding or avoiding blocks, he’s not physical enough with his hands, he’s not “quick,” and he’s just not mean enough whistle-to-whistle.
Lotulelei, on the other hand, is all of those things and more. Lotulelei is a natural at his position, like Russell Wilson is a natural QB. He has a football IQ like Lebron James has for basketball.
Lotulelei is like a junior Ndamukong Suh, but without the dirty image. He is a bad man on the field…just what the Raiders need, at a position they need help at.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Oh yeah, Jordan has a REALLY high ceiling and he’s very fast, for as big as he is. He had his best games as a DE, though last year he played alot of LB. He’d be a solid pick if we traded back.
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Great athlete. I’d be good with him at 3 as much as any of the other DEs.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
We need an offensive tackle.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Reading an old ESPN magazine and that had the article on cut blocks and Cushing’s injury.
Interesting quote from retired O-lineman Ross Tucker, now analyst, who said cut blocking was his favorite thing to do in football.
Also of note, Cushing’s injury happened on a “peelback” block on a ZBS run. The team that cut him was the Jets, not known for being a ZBS team.
Point being, almost every team runs some ZBS stuff, and the “cut” block is not something only ZBS teams and plays do.
I hope we continue to run some ZBS this year, especially if Reece is in the backfield, he seemed a perfect fit for it with his patience.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
What stinks is everyone thinks this is a deep draft. Hurts our trading down. I still think trading down is the way to go.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Reading an old ESPN magazine and that had the article on cut blocks and Cushing’s injury.
Interesting quote from retired O-lineman Ross Tucker, now analyst, who said cut blocking was his favorite thing to do in football.
Also of note, Cushing’s injury happened on a “peelback” block on a ZBS run. The team that cut him was the Jets, not known for being a ZBS team.
Point being, almost every team runs some ZBS stuff, and the “cut” block is not something only ZBS teams and plays do.
I hope we continue to run some ZBS this year, especially if Reece is in the backfield, he seemed a perfect fit for it with his patience.
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Of course you would like to see ZBS, As you were a Greg Knapp bootlicker.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Ravens just won a Super Bowl with the ZBS Kell.
So call me a winning team bootlicker
February 18th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
The #3 spot will be very much in play. You know Reggie likes draft picks. That phone’s going to busy…on a very deep first day of the draft, where Teams will be drooling over the first 10-or-so picks.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
I just hope Reggie doesn’t trade the #3 for NE’s 7th rounder for the next 12 years.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
ZBS isn’t bad. The problem was that it didn’t fit our players and Greg Knapp is not good at his job.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Still wouldn’t be pissed if they took the Alabama Guard #3. They can’t force the pick
February 18th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Problem was ZBS pigeonholed us. Knapp was a fuggin pigeonholer.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Mississippi Ratifies 13th Amendment Banning Slavery
Mississippi lawmakers have officially ratified the 13th Amendment to the Constitution, which banned slavery in 1865.
148 years after three-fifths of the states voted to approve the amendment, Mississippi’s legislature finally took steps to fix the glaring oversight last month. According to the Jackson Clarion-Ledger, the decision was inspired by the Oscar-nominated film “Lincoln,” which depicts the 16th president’s efforts to enact the amendment.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/18/mississippi-13th-amendment_n_2712289.html
February 18th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
If we can get out of this draft without our first being spent on Geno Smith I’ll probably be happy.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I agree with most that this draft has to be predominantly or all defense.
Pass rush has to be the #1 priority.
Bulukidi might get better but still need a young replacement for Kelly
Need a young mean MLB
Need a young solid CB
If an offensive player falls to you at round 6 or 7 that you can’t pass on, then sure grab him. I just don’t see it happening in round 1, 3 and 4
Hopefully Reg can get that 2nd round pick and maintain a later 1st. We will find out how good he is in April
February 18th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Luke Joeckel looks like the most solid OT pick and id be extremely satisfied with him as our #3. He looked like a bully that no one could get past during the senior bowl practices.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Some Teams that need to seriously contemplate picking QB in the 1st-round: AZ, Buffalo, and the NYJets. They pick 7, 8, 9…and could be prime trade partners.
AZ are so close to being very good right now, though…they just might want to trade for a Veteran QB before the draft. A little restructure (which we know is coming), and CPalmer could be on the trading block, and off to a near-contender for a few picks.
No matter what the Raiders do with early pick/s to fill glaring needs…we still need to find another QB (or 2) to throw in the long-term mix.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Tyrann Mathieu@Mathieu_Era
Had a great convo with Marcus Allen & Bo Jackson! Real men with great wisdom!!
Twitter
February 18th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I have a dream today.
I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.
Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Now maybe they’ll get a Super Bowl.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Thank you for sharing that with us KK. While everyone else is speaking draft and players you’re speaking history irrelevant to this post. Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
February 18th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Relentless Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Thank you for sharing that with us KK. While everyone else is speaking draft and players you’re speaking history irrelevant to this post. Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
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I know you dont want to hear it. Shall I talk about turds?
February 18th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Only if the turd is polished. Like Denise’s reputation from RM.
February 18th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
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What up, party nerds & goobs
Some total dill-hole got the Beeech Diggity banned. Totally hilarious, probably that loser PervisDork
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Anyway The Dawg has easily returned (all the mods love me, holla) after partying it up hard core and actually decided to give the Lawg a break because of all the va-jay-jay he was stuffing
Man, those were the worst 4 hours ever
Brahs this is going to be a totally awesome Blog Party Week, gonna fire up the PARTYDUDE 8000 for some toppest top shelf margs and smoke a few blunts
And if you see PervisDork stumbling around let me know so I can wrap a Magnum over his ugly dome
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February 18th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
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Wait a second…
February 18th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
#1 overall pick in 2014.book it. stop drinking the kool aid.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
62.Raiders for life Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I agree with most that this draft has to be predominantly or all defense.
Pass rush has to be the #1 priority.
Bulukidi might get better but still need a young replacement for Kelly
Need a young mean MLB
Need a young solid CB
If an offensive player falls to you at round 6 or 7 that you can’t pass on, then sure grab him. I just don’t see it happening in round 1, 3 and 4
Hopefully Reg can get that 2nd round pick and maintain a later 1st. We will find out how good he is in April
We already know how good he is.Take a look at Green Bay’s defense. IT SUCKS.Yea I want bottom lip building our defense…. NOT.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
#1 overall pick in 2014. sounds about right. very little talent on every level of the organization from the GM to the Coaches to the Roster. Got some talented fans though.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
If the Raiders have the number 1 pick next year.. which You WANT!! what would u guys like
A. Draft Clowney
B. Draft Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater
or
C. TRADE out of the number 1 pick and collect MEGA upon MEGA PICKS
February 18th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
THE CLOWN MAN
February 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I bet RM would still draft JaMarcus #1 knowing everything he knows now about him if he could.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Relentless Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I bet RM would still draft JaMarcus #1 knowing everything he knows now about him if he could.
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Stay out of the casinos.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
1.) Mike Mayock is not held accountable to the Raiders draft pick selection. He believe is employed by the NFL Network.
2.) Jerry McDonald’s attempt to reference the opinion of another who is not accountable to the draft selection suggests that he too might want to consider employment elsewhere.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I like FLOYD alot the guy is a baller but theres no way i would take him with the third pick better off trading down and taking him.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
If the Raiders have the number 1 pick next year.. which You WANT!! what would u guys like
A. Draft Clowney
B. Draft Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater
or
C. TRADE out of the number 1 pick and collect MEGA upon MEGA PICKS
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I would def take CLOWNEY without a doubt the man is a freak of nature ive followed him since he was the number one high school player in the ESPNU 150 he’s the most athletically gifted defensive lineman i have ever seen just a man amongst boy’s and he’s not a one trick pony either he play’s both run and pass exceptionally
February 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Two women were agrguing back and forth on my wifes FB account and one called the other one a Twat Waffle!!
That is freaking hilarious to me, but I cant get the picture out of my head. LOL
February 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I notice that Magic and Shaq refer to Jerry Buss as Dr. Buss.
What kind of doctorate did Buss have ?
Saw Dr. Buss playing poker a few times. Supposedly was a pretty decent player.
Dr. Buss always had a few extremely young hotties with him.
They definitely weren’t his grandkids.
It’s good to be the king.
RIP Jerry.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Nice MLK cut and paste job, Old Troll
Very patriotic. And lame.
Guess wifey is still paying for that ol internet connection. She really knows how to keep her man locked up in the house.
Pretty dope some things never change around here
GETTIN’ HELLA HYPE WITH BLUNTS N SKYPE
February 18th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
SC_DougFarrar @SC_DougFarrar 1d
Two things pop off the tape with Sharrif Floyd: First, positional versatility. Can play all over the line. Base 3-tech but brings it at end.
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SC_DougFarrar @SC_DougFarrar 1d
Floyd also uses his hands VERY well. A lot of D-linemen in the last few classes need work on that. Might be Floyd’s best trait.
Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 1d
Fascinating look at #UF DT Sharrif Floyd, a likely Top 5 pick, in the Philly Inquirer. Some deep stuff here. sns.mx/wyzBy1
Gil Brandt @Gil_Brandt 5h
Charles Woodson has had a great, great HOF-worthy career. I suspect it will be over after he sees the market for him this offseason.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
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Relentless Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
February 18th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
What kind of doctorate did Buss have ?
Chemistry. From USC.
Dr. Buss was a huge doner USC.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
(to) USC.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
ian85 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
If the Raiders have the number 1 pick next year.. which You WANT!! what would u guys like
A. Draft Clowney
B. Draft Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater
or
C. TRADE out of the number 1 pick and collect MEGA upon MEGA PICKS
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I would def take CLOWNEY without a doubt the man is a freak of nature ive followed him since he was the number one high school player in the ESPNU 150 he’s the most athletically gifted defensive lineman i have ever seen just a man amongst boy’s and he’s not a one trick pony either he play’s both run and pass exceptionally
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Son, then you never saw Reggie White, He moved like that at 300 lbs.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
The Beeech is back! Look out KK here he comes. He’s gonna get ya!
February 18th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Yo, speaking of my hella huge ding dong (aka The Lawg), just got a new shipment of jock straps in today and BIKE is going to have to create a new size
Yup the ol weiner busted through the mesh hammock again when I sported a half-stiffy, shout out to Big Daddy Kane
Good chance the Lawg has grown an extra inch, will have to do an official measurement tonight during American Idol
If I can break that 15 inch mark, it’s almost time to contact Guiness.
The beer company, not the record book, whut whut
February 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I notice that Magic and Shaq refer to Jerry Buss as Dr. Buss.
What kind of doctorate did Buss have ?
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I think he was a Dentist. I met him and Magic at Ceasars in 85′ at the Duran, Hearns fight. He was damned nice.
February 18th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
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Don’t know..Not sure I want to either….
February 18th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
The reason I liek this kid Ansah, so much is he is ALL upside. the kid doesn’t know how good he is because he just hasn’t learned anything yet. That kid 6′6″ 275 he has Clowneys ability it’s just very raw. he has yet to play a full season in his career. He has yet to see what he doesn’t know at his size and size potential he can be as good as anyone I can remember given he has the drive and work ethic to get there. I could not believe my eyes when I saw this kid in the senior bowl after getting coached up for a week by NFL personnel.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I notice that Magic and Shaq refer to Jerry Buss as Dr. Buss.
What kind of doctorate did Buss have ?
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They mentioned on the radio he has a PHD from USC.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
That is no disrespect to Jedeveon at all I think JC will be everything we talk about I’m just saying he is known while Ansah is still relatively unknown.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
From the urban dictionary
twat waffle
a v*gin* that is so shriveled up that it looks like a defrosted waffle.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
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Relentless Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
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Yes, Old Troll. Let’s definitely keep this blog to just football for once.
After you cut and paste another MLK speech, a moronic political rant, updates from your trip to Switzerland and details of your latest shuffle on down to the gym/barbershop
Oh and don’t forget to remind us all again what a lady’s man you were back in the ’40s
Another excellent idea, old goat
February 18th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
If you could go back and know what Des Bryant was going to be. Where would you draft him qas well as Tommie Kelly both UDFA by Mr Davis. Des is as good a 3tech as you can ask for.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
From the urban dictionary…
twat waffle
someone who is so amazingly annoying that we had to make up a new word to describe them.
“Kell, you’re such a twat waffle!”
February 18th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
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Relentless Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
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Doubtful. It is an interesting question.
No worse than some of the crap you MONKEYS post.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Th-ank Yuh, Je-sus!
February 18th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
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Wait a second…
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You know what I mean right? A lot of talent but there’s just not alot of difference it appears between the top ten and the next ten in the draft, so we could’ve gone 8-8 and still get a good player close to the same level of player we’re gonna get in the top 10.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Kell, since you’re doing so well in the real estate business, I thought you might like this suggestion. It’s kind of in your ball park. You could sell cemetery plots. Instead of having to sit in your chair day after day not chasing buyers…..
February 18th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
You have to be pretty damn special to go from the bench in your senior season play half a season and be considered to go high in the 1st rnd that’s other-worldly. It NEVER happens….
February 18th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
Yo the Beeeech Dawg was working hella hard on some silly fresh raps while he was on vacation
Dropped one on this passed out hizzy and she instantly rolled over and started 69ing the ding dong and Beeech Tongue
Not in that order, either, whut whut
Wondering if my commitment to hip hop is what’s making the Beeech Lawg continue to grow in to the record books
Or it could be the Funyuns
HEAVY HITTERS GETTIN’ FREAKY ON THE FRESH TIP
February 18th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
BHP…
In the Dec. 3rd. Issue of Sports Illustrated, there is a very insightful article about Ansah.
Wotrh the effort to look it up. si.com/vault Type in Ansah’s name in the search bar, should come up for you…
February 18th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Scourge Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Kell, since you’re doing so well in the real estate business, I thought you might like this suggestion. It’s kind of in your ball park. You could sell cemetery plots. Instead of having to sit in your chair day after day not chasing buyers…..
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Ya he will be in one soon just a matter of time for the old troll
February 18th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Scourge Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Kell, since you’re doing so well in the real estate business, I thought you might like this suggestion. It’s kind of in your ball park. You could sell cemetery plots. Instead of having to sit in your chair day after day not chasing buyers…..
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Yeah, then I could get your nasty azzed mother out of the garage.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
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Wait a second…
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You know what I mean right? A lot of talent but there’s just not alot of difference it appears between the top ten and the next ten in the draft, so we could’ve gone 8-8 and still get a good player close to the same level of player we’re gonna get in the top 10.
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That’s the very reason you don’t lose games and play for draft status in this league. The NBA is different that is exactly what you use to have to do. Getting a high pick in the NFL is not what you look to do.if you know what the hell you’re doing and you don’t need a QB. Needing a QB puts you in s different category.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
1234
Warmack Fisher Joeckel Trade Down
In that order.
We only have one superior OT, Fisher & Joeckel would give the Raiders the best LT/RT combination playing with Vehldeer at LT in the NFL.
Raiders would actually best at something besides longsnapping, fgs, and punts.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
dohhhhh…
February 18th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Clowney is the truth we will see about this Ansah kid maybe he can be like Jason Pierre Paul but i still would rather have Clowney tho.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Don’t know if I would have Shariff Floyd rated as a top three pick. I like the player, but don’t have him quite so high on my board.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
BHP…
In the Dec. 3rd. Issue of Sports Illustrated, there is a very insightful article about Ansah.
Wotrh the effort to look it up. si.com/vault Type in Ansah’s name in the search bar, should come up for you…
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couldn’t find it..
February 18th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
ian85 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Clowney is the truth we will see about this Ansah kid maybe he can be like Jason Pierre Paul but i still would rather have Clowney tho.
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The TRUTH is, you are a CLOWN. Shut up!
February 18th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
My only issue with Star is the way Khalid Holmes the C from USC handed him his ass. I know Homes is no joke but Star looked average to me against him.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
We picked a bad year to stink it up.
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Wait a second…
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You know what I mean right? A lot of talent but there’s just not alot of difference it appears between the top ten and the next ten in the draft, so we could’ve gone 8-8 and still get a good player close to the same level of player we’re gonna get in the top 10.
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Doubt any o lineman as good as Joeckel or Warmack will be around after 10.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
This is the top 20 draft picks from 2010:
St.Louis Rams- Sam Bradford- QB
Detroit Lions- N SUH
Tampa-Gerald McCoy DT
Washington Redskins-Trent Williams OT
Kansas City Chiefs-Eric Berry†-S
Seattle Seahawks-R. Okung OT
Cleveland Browns- Joe Haden-CB
Oakland Raiders-McClain Lb
Buffalo Bills-CJ Spiller RB
Jacksonville Jaguars-Tyson Alualu-DT
San Francisco 49ers-Anthony Davis OT
San Diego Chargers-R.Matthews RB
Philadelphia Eagles-Brandon Graham-DE
Seattle Seahawks-Earl Thomas S
New York Giants-Jason Pierre Paul DE
Tennessee Titans-Derrick Morgan DE
San Francisco 49ers-Mike Iupati-G
Pittsburgh Steelers-Maurkice Pouncey-C
Atlanta Falcons-Sean Witherspoon LB
Houston Texans-Kareem Jackson-CB
*How many of these guys are truly making an impact.
You can talk all day aboput how great Bradford supposedly is but even Palmer has outplayed him.
Suh? He’s made an impact for sure but at the end of the day….they’re a 4-12 team.
Jason Pierre Paul and Earl Thomas are very good impact players… Okung of course, but out of the top 20…you can see it truly is a crapshoot.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Now if Reggie can’t find a trading partner and he settles for ANY of the flavor of the week defensive players at three, yup.. we just as well have went 8-8.
It could be just as much a wasted pick at three as at 16.
Stats prove it…
February 18th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
My only issue with Star is the way Khalid Holmes the C from USC handed him his ass. I know Homes is no joke but Star looked average to me against him.
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Can’t say I am a big Star guy either. Again, a good solid prospect, but Nndamakung he is not.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
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Yeah, then I could get your nasty azzed mother out of the garage.
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You must be confused Kell. I don’t know who the hag is in your garage bu my mother’s resting peacefully.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
*but
February 18th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
:pootbuttkell:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
WTF is a Twat Waffle anyway.
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KoolKell Says:
Can we try to keep this blog to just football for once?
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That should be football. Part of the pre snap/audible cadence.
Hut Hut Boston Indiana Red Twat Waffle Twat Waffle.
And when the D starts cracking up, you snap the ball.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
DEBO u r a fcking idiot hows the J Russ comeback going is he still gonna take Brady’s job u dumbass
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Kell, selling cemetery plots would be the one instance in which poeple *would* be dying to see you. Most of the time they’re probably willing to die so they don’t have to see you. Like your current clients.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
Regarding ‘dumping’ games to secure the top draft pick:
It’s inconceivable to go into a season planning to stink bad enough to be drafting first.
Too many variables involved to plan on ‘playing down for the Clown’ or to ‘lose like hell for Manziel’.
It’s unacceptable to have the mindset that you’re going to stink going into a season, although that might indeed be the reality.
Surprise teams crop up almost every year.
The brightest college prospect might get injured or flame out.
However, if it gets down to week 16 or 17, and the results have been dismal enough to have you in contention to be drafting a ‘once in a decade’ talent, it’s definitely in your best interests to dump a game.
You certainly don’t want wind up saying ‘Yeah, we could have had John Elway but beating the Browns that final week was sweet’.
That’s why the NBA has a draft lottery.
If it comes down to it, I wouldn’t like dumping a game, but I’d be disappointed if we didn’t, considering what’s potentially at stake.
Besides, if you’re lousy enough to be in position to be drafting number one, chances are you’re not going to have to intentionally bring less than your best effort to lose a game anyway.
Planning on tanking an entire season to get improved draft position is pretty hard to swallow even for the most forward thinking planners and strategists around.
It has happened though.
The year after Jimmy Johnson and the Cowgirls obtained their boatload of draft picks in exchange for Herschel Walker, Johnson purposely refused to play veterans he knew were better than the guys he was putting out there, with the intention of reaping bigger dividends from his stockpiled draft picks in the following year.
Hate to say it, but there’s more than a slight possibility the RAIDS will be drafting first in 2014 despite making every effort not to do so.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
*people
February 18th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
2011 Draft looked better.
Newton
Von Miller
Marcel Darius
AJ Green
Patrick Peterson
Julio Jones
Aldon Smith
Jake Locker
Tyron Smith
Blaine Gabbert
..not too bad…in fact real good.
It drops off considerably after the top 10 though.
JJ Watt did go at 11.
We weren’t gonna draft in the top 10 anyway in ‘11.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
*How many of these guys are truly making an impact.
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Bradford, Berry, Okung, Haden, Spiller, Davis, Graham, Thomas, JPP, Iupati, Pouncey, Witherspoon, Jackson. So a little more than half of them, and it is the guys a little further down that are playing well.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
Hate to say it, but there’s more than a slight possibility the RAIDS will be drafting first in 2014 despite making every effort not to do so.
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Thats kinda crazy considering the Raiders were 8-8 two seasons in a row until they turned the entire offense over to the abject idiot Knapp.
He’s gone now.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
We did dump a game and we got Jamarcus Russell. You get my point? There just are no gaurantees.
Eventhough Denver got Elway Miami drafted last in teh 1st rnd and got Marino.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Hey, Kell, I’ve got a good crap brewing. I’ll tell you what I’m going to do, I going to name it after you. Each and every one from now on. Having to relieve myself in the sitting manner shall be known from now on as “going to have/take a good healthy Kell.”
You’re welcome. Don’t let it go to your head!
February 18th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Hate to say it, but there’s more than a slight possibility the RAIDS will be drafting first in 2014 despite making every effort not to do so.
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And I hate to agree with your statement, but in the immortal words of Reggie McKenzie “you have to do this the right way”. In the immortal words of Seymour Bush, “Rome wasn’t burnt in a day.” This could take awhile.
February 18th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
So let me ask you guys something: do we take a Q at the top of the 3rd round? Barkely, Glennon, Dysert? Or put it off and get more players around a young Q?
February 18th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
ian85 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
DEBO u r a fcking idiot hows the J Russ comeback going is he still gonna take Brady’s job u dumbass
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Sounds like it’s coming along pretty good. He’ll be ready for his pro day in April. Would be shocked if New England isn’t one of the teams that attends. JR is about to shock the world!
Now shut up!
February 18th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Maybe WE should resign Jamarcus. Even tho the fat slob was winded just playing catch and had to go take a knee and down a 62 ouncer of soda. Resigning him would do two things: lst off, it would give Raider fan an easy bloated target for their venom, and secondly it would remind some of you “what a real Q looks like”.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
ian85 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 4:44 pm
DEBO u r a fcking idiot hows the J Russ comeback going is he still gonna take Brady’s job u dumbass
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Sounds like it’s coming along pretty good. He’ll be ready for his pro day in April. Would be shocked if New England isn’t one of the teams that attends. JR is about to shock the world!
Now shut up!
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Hahahaha LMFAO wow u really r a dumbass there isn’t a chance in Hell that fat slob ever makes it back in the NFL especially New England just stop already
February 18th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
jamarcus is so fat, after sex he smokes a ham
February 18th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Has anyone ever noticed that every time we draft in the too five KC is always either rite bfore or rite after us..
Is that coincidence or what?
February 18th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
jamarcus is so fat, after sex he smokes a ham
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HAHA
February 18th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Y are we discussing the biggest loser in raider an NFL history…can someone plz tell me y??
February 18th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Jruss is a bum
February 18th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Saw a few clips of Ogletree today and that kid is just a vicious tackler.
Not talking about the initial contact, I don’t know about that aspect of his game, but after he gets his mitts on you he just body slams guys with truly bad intentions.
Looked like he was trying to put guys through the turf and almost succeeded.
That is one mean mofo.
Keep that monster sober, out of trouble, and on the field and you’ve got an ENFORCER.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
R8dercain Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Y are we discussing the biggest loser in raider an NFL history…can someone plz tell me y??
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It was my fault Debo thinks Ja Lardass is gonna replace Brady i couldn’t resist.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
you know revis has a 9 mil cap number this year. if we trade palmer we save about that much. hmmmmm
February 18th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
also revis is 6 mil per year until 2017. i hope reggie has spoken to the jets
February 18th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Well, guys, I’m outta here. Gotta take a good healthy kell! Have a good night and a good healthy kell of your own!
February 18th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
You dont plan on losing or tell your team to dump games… you just cut all the big saleries and trade all the decent players.. start from scratch with tp and a bunch of scrubs and we’ll probably get clowney.. then in ‘14 we spend like crazy. And try to build for a sb..
February 18th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
secondly it would remind some of you “what a real Q looks like”.
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Lol. Or we could bring Soup back, still have your reminder as stated above, and have a solid 3rd stringer for Palmer and Pryor.
Those words still gotta sting Soup I’d imagine.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Scourge Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Well, guys, I’m outta here. Gotta take a good healthy kell! Have a good night and a good healthy kell of your own!
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Good, now you can take 15 inches up your assz. Lol.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
The pass-rush project: Ezekiel ‘Ziggy’ Ansah is the latest ‘raw’ superathletic DE to make waves
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Is the answer to the NFL’s present trend of run-option quarterbacks a guy with almost no football past?
That is the daunting question revolving around BYU defensive lineman Ezekial “Ziggy” Ansah. In so many ways, Ansah is the latest version of Jason Pierre-Paul, a tall, fast and uber-athletic defensive end who didn’t have much experience with the game. The difference is that Ansah not only has even less football experience than Pierre-Paul, but also Ansah has less experience with this country and its growing fascination with the game.
Ezekiel Ansah has the size and speed NFL teams crave. (Getty Images)”It is crazy, to go from where I was a year ago to how much people are paying attention to me,” Ansah said in his slightly halting English that reverberates through his kettle-drum voice. Ansah is viewed much like Pierre-Paul in 2010, a mid-first-round pick (Pierre, from South Florida, went No. 15 overall to the New York Giants) with high upside and lots of risk.
To hear Senior Bowl Executive Director and former longtime NFL scout and executive Phil Savage talk about Ansah, the top 10 appears to be a sure thing heading into the NFL Scouting Combine, which starts this week in Indianapolis.
“I’m thinking that maybe even the top five with the way that teams are so desperate to adjust what they’re doing for all these read-option quarterbacks,” said Savage, who watched Ansah take over the Senior Bowl last month as if he were already a level better than the competition. “You’re going to need guys on the defensive line who can chase those guys down. Ansah is that guy.”
Ansah finished the Senior Bowl with seven tackles, including 3 ½ for losses (1 ½ were sacks), and forced a fumble from Syracuse quarterback Ryan Nassib. Savage and many other observers said he was clearly the best player in the game.
Ansah is the NFL’s version of a runway model. At 6-foot-5, 274 pounds and a wingspan of nearly seven feet, he runs like a track athlete. That’s what Ansah did before finding his way to the gridiron. In fact, Ansah did lots of things before getting to football. There was soccer in his native country of Ghana. There was basketball, a sport he loved as he watched his older brother, Elias, play. Ziggy even dreamed of playing at the NBA level after he converted to Mormonism and came to the United States five years ago.
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In track, he ran the 200, once clocking a 21.19 at a Mountain West Conference meet. That’s a decent time … if you’re a typical 5-foot-10 sprinter. At Ansah’s size, that speed conjures images of an 18-wheeler headed down a mountain road with no brakes.
Ansah showed that power the first time he did any live hitting at BYU. He was on the kickoff coverage team in practice, took off running and laid waste to three blockers along the way, turning any hope of a blocking scheme into a jumble. As Ansah ran off the field, all BYU coach Bronco Mendenhall could think to himself was, “How do I find a way to use this guy?”
The Cougars didn’t find many ways until this past season, when Ansah finally got regular playing time after an injury to the starting nose tackle. Despite playing inside, which is unusual for someone of Ansah’s height and weight, he had six tackles for losses (including three sacks) in his first three starts. He finished the season with 13 tackles for losses (4 ½ sacks) in limited time, leading many NFL scouts to wonder what might be if Ansah was let loose on the world.
That wonder was fueled at the Senior Bowl. After what Savage termed a so-so week of practice from Ansah, he took over the game.
“He was the best player in the game, by far … Basically, he took over the game,” said Savage, who watched from field level. “A lot of people figured he would be able to rush the passer because of how well he can run. But then he showed he can put his hand in a big offensive lineman’s chest, get off that block and play the run. Once people in the NFL really look at the tape, he’s going to shoot up the boards.
“I was talking with one [NFL] scout and he said, ‘If this was recruiting, I’m not sure he wouldn’t be the top recruit in the country.’ In the draft, you only get your pick and then you have to wait, so taking a guy like Ansah is tough because of the risk. But if you can recruit other guys who you know are sure things, you can take a risk on a guy like this and really go after him. Like I said, he might be the top kid in a situation like that, and I think after the combine there are going to be a lot of teams at the top of the draft wondering if they should take a shot.”
Or as another scout put it: “The upside is a [Pierre-Paul], Demarcus Ware-type athlete. He’s what we’re all looking for from an athletic perspective. But, yeah, there are a lot of questions.”
Numbers game
Ansah gets the big picture that goes with the questions. Truth is, he probably understands them better than most of the people who will be doing the asking. Ansah is majoring in actuarial science, which is the study of mathematical and statistical methods to finance and insurance as they pertain to risk management, along with a minor in math. The son of a father who is a retired Shell Oil executive (Ghana is Africa’s leading oil exporter) and a mother who is a nurse, Ansah comes from a family that values education. He is the youngest of five siblings, and his four older brothers and sisters all went to college.
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He is on a path to be a high-level insurance professional, which means he understands risk assessment and the numbers that go with it. He automatically gets that NFL people will look at him with a wary eye. At the same time, he has a confidence that they will love.
“This is a business that people take very seriously,” said Ansah, who has already dealt with rejection, being cut twice after trying out for the BYU basketball team. “People need to know who I am and what I can do.”
Ansah’s special skill is corralling quarterbacks such as Georgia Tech’s Tevin Washington. (Getty Images) OK, so how fast are you going to run in the 40-yard dash?
“Oh, we’ll see what happens,” Ansah said. However, between the tone of his voice and his choice of study, there is no doubt that Ansah knows exactly how fast he is, probably down to the hundredth of a second.
Ansah laughs when called out on that.
“In other words, you know exactly how fast you are, but you don’t want to say. You just want people to enjoy the show,” a reporter said to Ansah.
“You could say that,” Ansah replied after his rumbling chuckle.
But athletic ability is only the beginning of the questions. As with Pierre-Paul, there’s a concern of how much an athlete can love a game he only started playing a few years ago. More importantly, even for a player as smart as Ansah, can he learn the subtle nuances of the game fast enough to translate ability into instinctive play?
It is one thing to flash ability the way Ansah has, even in an all-star game. It’s another thing to play consistently, to do things that can be counted on week after week, when coaches are trying to design successful game plans.
For instance, what happened during the week of practice leading up to the Senior Bowl? Why didn’t Ansah jump off the page in practice the way he did in the game?
“I was listening to the coaches and trying to learn what they were telling me,” said Ansah, who was being coached by the Detroit Lions staff. “In the game, I switch my mind and just go.”
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Fair answer, but there are some issues that words – or even actions, to this point – can’t adequately address.
For instance, does Ansah love football enough to play through the pain that goes with a 16-game schedule? Better yet, is his body even conditioned to do it?
Ansah does his best to respond, but understands the overarching issue.
“I love the game,” Ansah said. Again, his laugh gives a better answer than his words can share. There is a toughness to how he talks that’s typical of people who enjoy the painful side of the game. “I’m trying to think of one moment, but there are a lot of them. Probably covering kickoffs, when I was just running and hitting people.”
The downside
As much as some people like the idea of getting the next Pierre-Paul or even a guy like Stephen Neal, a guard with New England who never played in college but played eight seasons in the NFL before retiring after the 2010 season, the success rate for players with non-traditional football backgrounds is questionable.
Perhaps the best example – or worst, depending upon your perspective – is former New York Jets defensive end Vernon Gholston, who had to be talked into playing football in high school, just like Pierre-Paul. Gholston, who also is exceptionally bright, ended up at Ohio State and became an even more successful college pass rusher than either Pierre-Paul or Ansah.
Gholston went No. 6 in the 2008 draft to the Jets. In three years with the Jets, Gholston never recorded a sack and was cut. In each of the past two years, he was with a team in training camp but didn’t last past August.
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Or there is Jets offensive lineman Vladimir Ducasse, who moved to the United States from Haiti when he was 14, started playing football in high school and played at the University of Massachusetts before being a second-round pick in 2010. Ducasse has started one game in three years with the Jets, and what little playing time he has received has been shrouded in mild controversy. In November, Jets offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo, who was fired earlier this month, indicated that he was being forced to play Ducasse on roughly 25 percent of the snaps.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:31 pm
I guess if you’re 4-12 it doesn’t hurt to go 3-13.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
With players such as Gholston and Ducasse, small things can have large ripple effects because of their lack of experience.
One concern about Ansah is how quickly he can pick up the game’s subtleties. (Getty Images)One former Jets employee said that Gholston’s confidence was shot in his very first game. Gholston, who was under pressure to fulfill a five-year, $32.5 million contract that included $21 million guaranteed, missed a sack of Miami quarterback Chad Pennington, who had recently left the Jets.
“I just remember that play so vividly and how he seemed to think about that play over and over again,” the former Jets employee said. “He wasn’t a guy with a lot of confidence, and I think that with the pressure of the contract and the New York media on him, he just went into a shell.”
For Ducasse, the 2011 NFL lockout deprived him of vital learning time with the coaching staff. When Ducasse came back to the team after the lockout, it was almost as if he were starting over again as a rookie, the former employee said.
Another highly drafted project who didn’t pan out was former Jacksonville wide receiver Matt Jones, an option quarterback in college whose athletic ability never translated to the NFL game. He had some drug issues before quitting the game.
The problem is that for all the questions about Ansah, there is just as big of a question facing coaches who are seeing more and more quarterbacks with running ability, such as Cam Newton, Robert Griffin III, Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick.
“You need big, strong athletes who can not only play the run and rush the passer, but who can chase down all these quarterbacks,” Savage said. “You’re seeing it at the college level. Nick Saban at Alabama changed his recruiting to deal with (Heisman Trophy-winning Texas A&M quarterback) Johnny Manziel and what they’re doing at Ole Miss and now Auburn with the spread.
“Yeah, there are a lot of 235- and 240-pound guys who can run, but they can’t deal with those 300-pound offensive linemen when teams run straight at them. Here, you have a 270-pound man who can run like that. You have to think about that guy. You have to think hard.”
Outside the Game from Yahoo! Sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl–the-pass-rush-project–ezekiel–ziggy–ansah-is-the-latest–raw–superathletic-de-to-make-waves–200203777.html
NFL GMS think highly of Ansah even a Top 5 pick
February 18th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Gee, Kell, are you comparing yourself to the Beeech Diggity?
February 18th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
I’m outta here.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
I think Reggie will be looking at Football players, not freaks.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
TYRANN MATHIE Write up from Evan silva
A Violent Collision Seeker
Monday, July 23, 2012
I spend most of my falls and winters breaking down NFL football players and whiffing on Sunday prognostication, but every Saturday my significant other and I make college football watching a priority. She is an LSU alum. I pull for Notre Dame. Since the Tigers have had better luck than the Irish in recent years — and I’m just happy she wants to watch football at all — we usually flip on LSU if there’s a scheduling conflict. I watched almost every snap the title-contending Tigers played last season. And on the Purple and Gold, there is a tiny, mighty mouse-type player who consistently tilts field position. This player wears No. 7. He plays with an awful lot of swagger, which is part of the reason he stands out. But it’s mostly because he is a dynamite football player.
Before we begin dissecting Tyrann Mathieu’s in-game performance, skill set, strengths and weaknesses, I think it is crucial to preface with one unequivocal fact: Mathieu is the best player on LSU’s defense. The Tigers’ staff knows it. SEC offensive coaches know it. Morris Claiborne was a higher NFL draft pick than Mathieu probably will be, and strong-side defensive end Barkevious Mingo may be, too. But that’s because NFL teams prioritize long, rangy outside cornerbacks and explosive edge rushers. Mathieu is a better football player than the both of them.
For this column, I re-watched five of LSU’s 2011 games: at West Virginia, versus Florida, at Tennessee, versus Arkansas, and versus Georgia. These were my takeaways.
1. Mathieu is used at virtually every position in the back seven.
I charted each of Mathieu’s snaps from the five games. He played slot corner on 36 percent of the downs, outside corner on 32.5 percent, and safety on 10 percent. Mathieu lined up at linebacker — usually to rush the quarterback — on 21 percent of his plays. A “joker” in LSU’s defense, Mathieu’s assignment differs from one snap to the next. The LSU staff seems to believe he is an equally effective cover man, run-support defender, and pass rusher. And Mathieu wreaks havoc wherever he lines up, making plays sideline to sideline and causing ball carriers constant disruption.
2. Mathieu has a relentless motor and never gives up on a play.
Mathieu loves football, and it’s evident in his on-field performance. Even when a play goes to the opposite side of the field, Mathieu is as good a bet as any LSU defender to make the tackle. He possesses incredible closing speed and is relentless in pursuit. In the Florida and West Virginia games, respectively, Mathieu ran down Chris Rainey and Tavon Austin from behind. Rainey clocked a 4.45 forty at February’s Combine. Austin might be the most dangerous skill-position player in the entire country. Mathieu accelerates on a dime and reaches top speed almost instantaneously. I suspect he’ll run low 4.4s or even 4.3s after he declares for next year’s draft.
3. The idea that Mathieu can’t cover is a myth.
Mathieu got beat on a handful of pass plays in LSU’s BCS title game loss to Alabama, and since then a perception has emerged that he can’t cover. It’s true that Mathieu isn’t a shutdown outside corner like Claiborne or Joe Haden. But he is a ball-hawking pass breakup machine, and anything but a liability in coverage. I charted every pass thrown at Mathieu in the five games. Keep in mind LSU faced quality passing attacks for the most part. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith of West Virginia, and Georgia’s Aaron Murray will all be drafted. Wilson could be next April’s No. 1 pick.
Over the course of the five games, 21 throws were attempted into Mathieu’s coverage. Eight were complete for 144 yards with no touchdowns. Mathieu got his hands on nine of the 21 passes, picking off two with five breakups. At the end of two of the completions, Mathieu stripped the receiver and recovered a fumble. The one long reception that stood out was a 44-yard gain by Tennessee’s Da’Rick Rogers. A beastly presence at 6-foot-3, 206, Rogers outmuscled Mathieu’s jam off the line on a slot route and got open over the middle. This was a mismatch in Rogers’ favor, as he has at least six inches and 30 pounds on Mathieu, who is listed at 5-foot-9, 175.
All told, the quarterbacks went 8-of-21 (38.1 percent) for 144 yards (6.9 YPA), no touchdowns, and two interceptions throwing at Mathieu. He caused two more turnovers on post-catch strips.
4. Pound for pound, Mathieu is the most physical player in the country.
I have not seen every player in the country, but I’d still say this with confidence. I would place bets on this player. As a tackler, Mathieu sifts through trash smoothly and is terrific in one-on-one situations. I saw him break down and tackle Georgia RB Isaiah Crowell mano-a-mano in the open field after diagnosing the run play from his deep safety position. Against Arkansas, Mathieu again attacked from deep and popped the ball loose from RB Dennis Johnson after stacking him up.
Mathieu separates the football from ball carriers. He explodes into tackles, and his knack for run support will keep him on the field for early downs. He won’t be a sub-package DB only. Mathieu closes on skill-position players as if he’s been shot from a cannon. He is a violent collision seeker.
Mathieu is a ferocious hitter, and fearless on special teams. He plays on three of the four units — punt return, and kickoff and punt cover. As a punt returner, Mathieu all but refuses to fair catch.
5. In terms of pro prospects, Mathieu has a high “floor.”
At the very least, he’ll be a ball-hawking slot corner with homerun-hitting return value.
Mathieu is a dynamic returner, and those skills will translate to the NFL because he possesses top-notch elusiveness and long speed. Mathieu makes lightning-quick cuts on punts, combining lateral moves with explosive bursts. On his 62-yard return score against Georgia, Mathieu made seven would-be tacklers miss en route to pay dirt. Again versus Georgia, Mathieu fielded a punt at the 36 and returned it 46 yards, this time making eight men miss. On his return touchdown versus Arkansas, Mathieu made three guys miss in a short area and went the distance from 92 yards out.
6. In the NFL, Mathieu will be a weapon with which defenses attack offenses.
The NFL needs players like this. Mathieu is a versatile takeaway specialist who more than holds his own in coverage. He has loose hips, is a quick-twitch reactor, and could be an answer for the Wes Welkers and Percy Harvins of the NFL. For 5-foot-9, 175, Mathieu has noticeably long arms, giving him a big advantage for pass deflections. Long arms also come in handy for strips. Mathieu is a skilled and experienced blitzer off the edge. While some teams may struggle to “find a fit” for Mathieu in terms of positioning, a quality evaluator will identify him as a movable chess piece. A defender who impacts turnover margin, time of possession, and field position on a regular basis.
7. Have some perspective when watching Mathieu this year.
Mathieu is listed at cornerback, but he’s not a shutdown corner, per se. We haven’t seen many players like him. If you’re watching Mathieu’s 2012 games and trying to pigeonhole-project him to one particular NFL position, I’d say you’re doing it wrong. He is not a one-position player.
Mathieu was a 19-year-old true sophomore last season earning first-team All-SEC recognition from the conference’s coaches as well as a trip to New York as a Heisman finalist. Four DBs made the SEC coaches’ first-team defense: Mathieu, Claiborne, Mark Barron, and first-team All-American safety Bacarri Rambo from Georgia. That’s awfully nice company. In 2012, opponents will have a target on Mathieu’s back, likely double teaming him at times to keep him out of plays. Every catch Mathieu allows will be scrutinized. Analysts will relentlessly question his NFL “fit.”
8. My NFL forecast for Mathieu.
In addition to cover skills and position, Mathieu’s lack of ideal size will be talked up this year as a major factor working against his NFL outlook. I’d encourage you to consider that lazy analysis. It might be problematic if Mathieu wasn’t so physical, or if he was slow. He is neither of those things.
Mathieu’s profile as an inside-out cornerback reminds me of Antoine Winfield, who was drafted with the 28th overall pick out of Ohio State in 1999. Winfield is listed at 5-foot-9, 180. Also like Mathieu, he is an undersized corner who compensates with physicality, football intelligence, and playmaking ability. Winfield has been to three Pro Bowls and accounted for 48 career turnovers.
My best guess is that Mathieu will declare for the 2013 NFL draft this January, test well at the Combine, and be drafted in the 20s next April by an annual playoff contender worried much less about size restrictions than football-playing ability. I think Tyrann Mathieu is going to go to Pro Bowls in the NFL. I think he will be a multiple-phase difference maker.
I spend most of my falls and winters breaking down NFL football players and whiffing on Sunday prognostication, but every Saturday my significant other and I make college football watching a priority. She is an LSU alum. I pull for Notre Dame. Since the Tigers have had better luck than the Irish in recent years — and I’m just happy she wants to watch football at all — we usually flip on LSU if there’s a scheduling conflict. I watched almost every snap the title-contending Tigers played last season. And on the Purple and Gold, there is a tiny, mighty mouse-type player who consistently tilts field position. This player wears No. 7. He plays with an awful lot of swagger, which is part of the reason he stands out. But it’s mostly because he is a dynamite football player.
Before we begin dissecting Tyrann Mathieu’s in-game performance, skill set, strengths and weaknesses, I think it is crucial to preface with one unequivocal fact: Mathieu is the best player on LSU’s defense. The Tigers’ staff knows it. SEC offensive coaches know it. Morris Claiborne was a higher NFL draft pick than Mathieu probably will be, and strong-side defensive end Barkevious Mingo may be, too. But that’s because NFL teams prioritize long, rangy outside cornerbacks and explosive edge rushers. Mathieu is a better football player than the both of them.
For this column, I re-watched five of LSU’s 2011 games: at West Virginia, versus Florida, at Tennessee, versus Arkansas, and versus Georgia. These were my takeaways.
1. Mathieu is used at virtually every position in the back seven.
I charted each of Mathieu’s snaps from the five games. He played slot corner on 36 percent of the downs, outside corner on 32.5 percent, and safety on 10 percent. Mathieu lined up at linebacker — usually to rush the quarterback — on 21 percent of his plays. A “joker” in LSU’s defense, Mathieu’s assignment differs from one snap to the next. The LSU staff seems to believe he is an equally effective cover man, run-support defender, and pass rusher. And Mathieu wreaks havoc wherever he lines up, making plays sideline to sideline and causing ball carriers constant disruption.
2. Mathieu has a relentless motor and never gives up on a play.
Mathieu loves football, and it’s evident in his on-field performance. Even when a play goes to the opposite side of the field, Mathieu is as good a bet as any LSU defender to make the tackle. He possesses incredible closing speed and is relentless in pursuit. In the Florida and West Virginia games, respectively, Mathieu ran down Chris Rainey and Tavon Austin from behind. Rainey clocked a 4.45 forty at February’s Combine. Austin might be the most dangerous skill-position player in the entire country. Mathieu accelerates on a dime and reaches top speed almost instantaneously. I suspect he’ll run low 4.4s or even 4.3s after he declares for next year’s draft.
3. The idea that Mathieu can’t cover is a myth.
Mathieu got beat on a handful of pass plays in LSU’s BCS title game loss to Alabama, and since then a perception has emerged that he can’t cover. It’s true that Mathieu isn’t a shutdown outside corner like Claiborne or Joe Haden. But he is a ball-hawking pass breakup machine, and anything but a liability in coverage. I charted every pass thrown at Mathieu in the five games. Keep in mind LSU faced quality passing attacks for the most part. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith of West Virginia, and Georgia’s Aaron Murray will all be drafted. Wilson could be next April’s No. 1 pick.
Over the course of the five games, 21 throws were attempted into Mathieu’s coverage. Eight were complete for 144 yards with no touchdowns. Mathieu got his hands on nine of the 21 passes, picking off two with five breakups. At the end of two of the completions, Mathieu stripped the receiver and recovered a fumble. The one long reception that stood out was a 44-yard gain by Tennessee’s Da’Rick Rogers. A beastly presence at 6-foot-3, 206, Rogers outmuscled Mathieu’s jam off the line on a slot route and got open over the middle. This was a mismatch in Rogers’ favor, as he has at least six inches and 30 pounds on Mathieu, who is listed at 5-foot-9, 175.
All told, the quarterbacks went 8-of-21 (38.1 percent) for 144 yards (6.9 YPA), no touchdowns, and two interceptions throwing at Mathieu. He caused two more turnovers on post-catch strips.
4. Pound for pound, Mathieu is the most physical player in the country.
I have not seen every player in the country, but I’d still say this with confidence. I would place bets on this player. As a tackler, Mathieu sifts through trash smoothly and is terrific in one-on-one situations. I saw him break down and tackle Georgia RB Isaiah Crowell mano-a-mano in the open field after diagnosing the run play from his deep safety position. Against Arkansas, Mathieu again attacked from deep and popped the ball loose from RB Dennis Johnson after stacking him up.
Mathieu separates the football from ball carriers. He explodes into tackles, and his knack for run support will keep him on the field for early downs. He won’t be a sub-package DB only. Mathieu closes on skill-position players as if he’s been shot from a cannon. He is a violent collision seeker.
Mathieu is a ferocious hitter, and fearless on special teams. He plays on three of the four units — punt return, and kickoff and punt cover. As a punt returner, Mathieu all but refuses to fair catch.
5. In terms of pro prospects, Mathieu has a high “floor.”
At the very least, he’ll be a ball-hawking slot corner with homerun-hitting return value.
Mathieu is a dynamic returner, and those skills will translate to the NFL because he possesses top-notch elusiveness and long speed. Mathieu makes lightning-quick cuts on punts, combining lateral moves with explosive bursts. On his 62-yard return score against Georgia, Mathieu made seven would-be tacklers miss en route to pay dirt. Again versus Georgia, Mathieu fielded a punt at the 36 and returned it 46 yards, this time making eight men miss. On his return touchdown versus Arkansas, Mathieu made three guys miss in a short area and went the distance from 92 yards out.
6. In the NFL, Mathieu will be a weapon with which defenses attack offenses.
The NFL needs players like this. Mathieu is a versatile takeaway specialist who more than holds his own in coverage. He has loose hips, is a quick-twitch reactor, and could be an answer for the Wes Welkers and Percy Harvins of the NFL. For 5-foot-9, 175, Mathieu has noticeably long arms, giving him a big advantage for pass deflections. Long arms also come in handy for strips. Mathieu is a skilled and experienced blitzer off the edge. While some teams may struggle to “find a fit” for Mathieu in terms of positioning, a quality evaluator will identify him as a movable chess piece. A defender who impacts turnover margin, time of possession, and field position on a regular basis.
7. Have some perspective when watching Mathieu this year.
Mathieu is listed at cornerback, but he’s not a shutdown corner, per se. We haven’t seen many players like him. If you’re watching Mathieu’s 2012 games and trying to pigeonhole-project him to one particular NFL position, I’d say you’re doing it wrong. He is not a one-position player.
Mathieu was a 19-year-old true sophomore last season earning first-team All-SEC recognition from the conference’s coaches as well as a trip to New York as a Heisman finalist. Four DBs made the SEC coaches’ first-team defense: Mathieu, Claiborne, Mark Barron, and first-team All-American safety Bacarri Rambo from Georgia. That’s awfully nice company. In 2012, opponents will have a target on Mathieu’s back, likely double teaming him at times to keep him out of plays. Every catch Mathieu allows will be scrutinized. Analysts will relentlessly question his NFL “fit.”
8. My NFL forecast for Mathieu.
In addition to cover skills and position, Mathieu’s lack of ideal size will be talked up this year as a major factor working against his NFL outlook. I’d encourage you to consider that lazy analysis. It might be problematic if Mathieu wasn’t so physical, or if he was slow. He is neither of those things.
Mathieu’s profile as an inside-out cornerback reminds me of Antoine Winfield, who was drafted with the 28th overall pick out of Ohio State in 1999. Winfield is listed at 5-foot-9, 180. Also like Mathieu, he is an undersized corner who compensates with physicality, football intelligence, and playmaking ability. Winfield has been to three Pro Bowls and accounted for 48 career turnovers.
My best guess is that Mathieu will declare for the 2013 NFL draft this January, test well at the Combine, and be drafted in the 20s next April by an annual playoff contender worried much less about size restrictions than football-playing ability. I think Tyrann Mathieu is going to go to Pro Bowls in the NFL. I think he will be a multiple-phase difference maker.
http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/40968/321/a-violent-collision-seeker
February 18th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
dayum triple post.. sux site
February 18th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
one more time
February 18th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
TYRANN MATHIEU Write up from Evan silva
A Violent Collision Seeker
Monday, July 23, 2012
I spend most of my falls and winters breaking down NFL football players and whiffing on Sunday prognostication, but every Saturday my significant other and I make college football watching a priority. She is an LSU alum. I pull for Notre Dame. Since the Tigers have had better luck than the Irish in recent years — and I’m just happy she wants to watch football at all — we usually flip on LSU if there’s a scheduling conflict. I watched almost every snap the title-contending Tigers played last season. And on the Purple and Gold, there is a tiny, mighty mouse-type player who consistently tilts field position. This player wears No. 7. He plays with an awful lot of swagger, which is part of the reason he stands out. But it’s mostly because he is a dynamite football player.
Before we begin dissecting Tyrann Mathieu’s in-game performance, skill set, strengths and weaknesses, I think it is crucial to preface with one unequivocal fact: Mathieu is the best player on LSU’s defense. The Tigers’ staff knows it. SEC offensive coaches know it. Morris Claiborne was a higher NFL draft pick than Mathieu probably will be, and strong-side defensive end Barkevious Mingo may be, too. But that’s because NFL teams prioritize long, rangy outside cornerbacks and explosive edge rushers. Mathieu is a better football player than the both of them.
For this column, I re-watched five of LSU’s 2011 games: at West Virginia, versus Florida, at Tennessee, versus Arkansas, and versus Georgia. These were my takeaways.
1. Mathieu is used at virtually every position in the back seven.
I charted each of Mathieu’s snaps from the five games. He played slot corner on 36 percent of the downs, outside corner on 32.5 percent, and safety on 10 percent. Mathieu lined up at linebacker — usually to rush the quarterback — on 21 percent of his plays. A “joker” in LSU’s defense, Mathieu’s assignment differs from one snap to the next. The LSU staff seems to believe he is an equally effective cover man, run-support defender, and pass rusher. And Mathieu wreaks havoc wherever he lines up, making plays sideline to sideline and causing ball carriers constant disruption.
2. Mathieu has a relentless motor and never gives up on a play.
Mathieu loves football, and it’s evident in his on-field performance. Even when a play goes to the opposite side of the field, Mathieu is as good a bet as any LSU defender to make the tackle. He possesses incredible closing speed and is relentless in pursuit. In the Florida and West Virginia games, respectively, Mathieu ran down Chris Rainey and Tavon Austin from behind. Rainey clocked a 4.45 forty at February’s Combine. Austin might be the most dangerous skill-position player in the entire country. Mathieu accelerates on a dime and reaches top speed almost instantaneously. I suspect he’ll run low 4.4s or even 4.3s after he declares for next year’s draft.
3. The idea that Mathieu can’t cover is a myth.
Mathieu got beat on a handful of pass plays in LSU’s BCS title game loss to Alabama, and since then a perception has emerged that he can’t cover. It’s true that Mathieu isn’t a shutdown outside corner like Claiborne or Joe Haden. But he is a ball-hawking pass breakup machine, and anything but a liability in coverage. I charted every pass thrown at Mathieu in the five games. Keep in mind LSU faced quality passing attacks for the most part. Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, Geno Smith of West Virginia, and Georgia’s Aaron Murray will all be drafted. Wilson could be next April’s No. 1 pick.
Over the course of the five games, 21 throws were attempted into Mathieu’s coverage. Eight were complete for 144 yards with no touchdowns. Mathieu got his hands on nine of the 21 passes, picking off two with five breakups. At the end of two of the completions, Mathieu stripped the receiver and recovered a fumble. The one long reception that stood out was a 44-yard gain by Tennessee’s Da’Rick Rogers. A beastly presence at 6-foot-3, 206, Rogers outmuscled Mathieu’s jam off the line on a slot route and got open over the middle. This was a mismatch in Rogers’ favor, as he has at least six inches and 30 pounds on Mathieu, who is listed at 5-foot-9, 175.
All told, the quarterbacks went 8-of-21 (38.1 percent) for 144 yards (6.9 YPA), no touchdowns, and two interceptions throwing at Mathieu. He caused two more turnovers on post-catch strips.
4. Pound for pound, Mathieu is the most physical player in the country.
I have not seen every player in the country, but I’d still say this with confidence. I would place bets on this player. As a tackler, Mathieu sifts through trash smoothly and is terrific in one-on-one situations. I saw him break down and tackle Georgia RB Isaiah Crowell mano-a-mano in the open field after diagnosing the run play from his deep safety position. Against Arkansas, Mathieu again attacked from deep and popped the ball loose from RB Dennis Johnson after stacking him up.
Mathieu separates the football from ball carriers. He explodes into tackles, and his knack for run support will keep him on the field for early downs. He won’t be a sub-package DB only. Mathieu closes on skill-position players as if he’s been shot from a cannon. He is a violent collision seeker.
Mathieu is a ferocious hitter, and fearless on special teams. He plays on three of the four units — punt return, and kickoff and punt cover. As a punt returner, Mathieu all but refuses to fair catch.
5. In terms of pro prospects, Mathieu has a high “floor.”
At the very least, he’ll be a ball-hawking slot corner with homerun-hitting return value.
Mathieu is a dynamic returner, and those skills will translate to the NFL because he possesses top-notch elusiveness and long speed. Mathieu makes lightning-quick cuts on punts, combining lateral moves with explosive bursts. On his 62-yard return score against Georgia, Mathieu made seven would-be tacklers miss en route to pay dirt. Again versus Georgia, Mathieu fielded a punt at the 36 and returned it 46 yards, this time making eight men miss. On his return touchdown versus Arkansas, Mathieu made three guys miss in a short area and went the distance from 92 yards out.
6. In the NFL, Mathieu will be a weapon with which defenses attack offenses.
The NFL needs players like this. Mathieu is a versatile takeaway specialist who more than holds his own in coverage. He has loose hips, is a quick-twitch reactor, and could be an answer for the Wes Welkers and Percy Harvins of the NFL. For 5-foot-9, 175, Mathieu has noticeably long arms, giving him a big advantage for pass deflections. Long arms also come in handy for strips. Mathieu is a skilled and experienced blitzer off the edge. While some teams may struggle to “find a fit” for Mathieu in terms of positioning, a quality evaluator will identify him as a movable chess piece. A defender who impacts turnover margin, time of possession, and field position on a regular basis.
7. Have some perspective when watching Mathieu this year.
Mathieu is listed at cornerback, but he’s not a shutdown corner, per se. We haven’t seen many players like him. If you’re watching Mathieu’s 2012 games and trying to pigeonhole-project him to one particular NFL position, I’d say you’re doing it wrong. He is not a one-position player.
Mathieu was a 19-year-old true sophomore last season earning first-team All-SEC recognition from the conference’s coaches as well as a trip to New York as a Heisman finalist. Four DBs made the SEC coaches’ first-team defense: Mathieu, Claiborne, Mark Barron, and first-team All-American safety Bacarri Rambo from Georgia. That’s awfully nice company. In 2012, opponents will have a target on Mathieu’s back, likely double teaming him at times to keep him out of plays. Every catch Mathieu allows will be scrutinized. Analysts will relentlessly question his NFL “fit.”
8. My NFL forecast for Mathieu.
In addition to cover skills and position, Mathieu’s lack of ideal size will be talked up this year as a major factor working against his NFL outlook. I’d encourage you to consider that lazy analysis. It might be problematic if Mathieu wasn’t so physical, or if he was slow. He is neither of those things.
Mathieu’s profile as an inside-out cornerback reminds me of Antoine Winfield, who was drafted with the 28th overall pick out of Ohio State in 1999. Winfield is listed at 5-foot-9, 180. Also like Mathieu, he is an undersized corner who compensates with physicality, football intelligence, and playmaking ability. Winfield has been to three Pro Bowls and accounted for 48 career turnovers.
My best guess is that Mathieu will declare for the 2013 NFL draft this January, test well at the Combine, and be drafted in the 20s next April by an annual playoff contender worried much less about size restrictions than football-playing ability. I think Tyrann Mathieu is going to go to Pro Bowls in the NFL. I think he will be a multiple-phase difference maker.
I spend most of my falls and winters breaking down NFL football players and whiffing on Sunday prognostication, but every Saturday my significant other and I make college football watching a priority. She is an LSU alum. I pull for Notre Dame. Since the Tigers have had better luck than the Irish in recent years — and I’m just happy she wants to watch football at all — we usually flip on LSU if there’s a scheduling conflict. I watched almost every snap the title-contending Tigers played last season. And on the Purple and Gold, there is a tiny, mighty mouse-type player who consistently tilts field position. This player wears No. 7. He plays with an awful lot of swagger, which is part of the reason he stands out. But it’s mostly because he is a dynamite football player.
Before we begin dissecting Tyrann Mathieu’s in-game performance, skill set, strengths and weaknesses, I think it is crucial to preface with one unequivocal fact: Mathieu is the best player on LSU’s defense. The Tigers’ staff knows it. SEC offensive coaches know it. Morris Claiborne was a higher NFL draft pick than Mathieu probably will be, and strong-side defensive end Barkevious Mingo may be, too. But that’s because NFL teams prioritize long, rangy outside cornerbacks and explosive edge rushers. Mathieu is a better football player than the both of them.
For this column, I re-watched five of LSU’s 2011 games: at West Virginia, versus Florida, at Tennessee, versus Arkansas, and versus Georgia. These were my takeaways.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
I don’t think Reggie has the balls to draft an athlete. I think he will draft a “football palyer”.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
I really want to get Matheiu, but I’m thinking like 4th round. At least, I’m hoping we could get him there. As we know, Chubby Checker passed on Burfict through Round 7 and into free agency despite a glaring need at LB, so there’s a fair chance Matheiu isn’t even on the Raiders’ list of draftable players. Could be in the midst of a “choir-boys only” front office mentality. We’ll see. We’ll learn a helluva lot about Chubby Checker and the new Raiders over the next 10 weeks.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
some have mathieu going in the fourth. solid pickup. the guy smoked weed. psshh
February 18th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
Evening Fellas,
Regarding the draft, no projects in the 1st round please.
The surest thing in round 1 appears to be Warmack.
With regard to instant starter and longevity with a good impact.
Trade down and draft Him. Not glamorous, but very solid for the LONG TERM.
If we can’t trade down, it has to be BPA regardless of position.
Really not completely sold on any of the “Top 10″, but i’m leaning towards Star, because he is most like Warmack on the other side of the ball.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
im all for the waiting game if it makes sense but dam am i ready for some offseason raider news
February 18th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
some have mathieu going in the fourth. solid pickup. the guy smoked weed. psshh
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The Orqanization will be on the field during the combine.
They’ll get a REAL good feel for all of these guys.
February 18th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Sounds like Mathieu projects more as a safety than he does as a corner.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Sometimes the athletes work out, too. Look at JPP, who many are comparing Ansah too. I’m not sure that Ansah would be my choice at 3 (not ruling it out either), but if Reg made that pick it would make me feel pretty good about him having the balls to pull an Al Davis-like outside the box pick and not just a do what’s expected of me type.
I will say that Ansah is in my top 3 edge guys along with Okafor and Damontre Moore.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Sounds like Mathieu projects more as a safety than he does as a corner.
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Undersized from what I gather, but a play maker and very good as a returner.
Never saw him play, just repeating what I’ve read.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
You dont plan on losing or tell your team to dump games… you just cut all the big saleries and trade all the decent players.. start from scratch with tp and a bunch of scrubs and we’ll probably get clowney.. then in ‘14 we spend like crazy. And try to build for a sb..
>>>>
When has this worked in the NFL?
This isn’t the NBA. Or Madden even.
Most SB winners do it by slowly building on 8-8 teams.
Most of the crap teams remain in the crapper. The only exception might be when StL hit the lottery with Warner and company. Or maybe Dallas with the Walker motherload.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Sometimes the athletes work out, too. Look at JPP, who many are comparing Ansah too. I’m not sure that Ansah would be my choice at 3 (not ruling it out either), but if Reg made that pick it would make me feel pretty good about him having the balls to pull an Al Davis-like outside the box pick and not just a do what’s expected of me type.
I will say that Ansah is in my top 3 edge guys along with Okafor and Damontre Moore.
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No doubt that they sometimes work out.
My perspective is at this time we need SURE things that last long term.
Projects are not a luxury we can afford in the early rounds.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
if we get mathieu we could work him as a corner or play safety and keep huff at corner which he did well at times. also a returner which we all know is a must in 2013
February 18th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I think Mathieu is more of a nickel corner or safety. But remember that in today’s NFL teams are going 5 DBs and 2 LBs more often than 4 and 3. So a nickel corner is essentially a starter.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:04 pm
I think Mathieu is more of a nickel corner or safety. But remember that in today’s NFL teams are going 5 DBs and 2 LBs more often than 4 and 3. So a nickel corner is essentially a starter.
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So True.
AND if the Guy has a nose for the ball, AND ups the return game….
February 18th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
i like the idea of revis and huff at corner with joselio hanson in nickel. mathieu and branch at safety. a 4th round pick and a palmer or mcfadden trade could make that happen. peanuts
February 18th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
i like the idea of revis and huff at corner with joselio hanson in nickel. mathieu and branch at safety. a 4th round pick and a palmer or mcfadden trade could make that happen. peanuts
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Revis is problematic.
Coming off injury, and will want a boat laod of money.
We need to plug a lot of holes and an injured Prima Donna is not were I would start the process.
Particularly if I’m trading a couple of use full assets.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
but if Reg made that pick it would make me feel pretty good about him having the balls to pull an Al Davis-like outside the box pick and not just a do what’s expected of me
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Al Davis hadn’t been all that successful recently.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:14 pm
I disagree on Bradford. He hasn’t done awful but nowhere near what other top qb picks like RG3 and Luck.
His stats are worse than Palmer’s ….which again isn’t saying he’s been “bad” but he seems to get a pass for some reason.
I guess they’re thinking he still has big upside.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Sometimes the athletes work out, too. Look at JPP, who many are comparing Ansah too. I’m not sure that Ansah would be my choice at 3 (not ruling it out either), but if Reg made that pick it would make me feel pretty good about him having the balls to pull an Al Davis-like outside the box pick and not just a do what’s expected of me type.
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I hear you.
It takes balls to have a conviction and stick with it.
RAIDS want and need to avoid ‘projects’ that could blow up in their face.
At the same time, one has to consider that many times ’sure things’ (like Gallery) are anything but.
Many times the best gamble is the one you didn’t make, but some times it’s best to roll the dice and take a chance on huge upside.
For better or worse, Al was never afraid of gambling or being laughed at.
The Old Man had brass balls and I’ll always admire him for that.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
For better or worse, Al was never afraid of gambling or being laughed at.
The Old Man had brass balls and I’ll always admire him for that.
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100%
He did it HIS way.
Que Sinatra.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Man, time is a wastin’. Forget about going 0-16 so we can draft Clowney and he MIGHT be good for us.
Lions have Suh and Fairly and what did they do? 4-12 last yr.
I’m with gdog on the fact we can almost throw away last season as the disaster it was and build off the progress of 2011. I know alot has changed from then, but the key components remain.
I think DA will rebound in his 2nd yr. and the offense getting back to 2011 form with the power scheme will pay big dividends.
The D will get better.
Forget tanking.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
but if Reg made that pick it would make me feel pretty good about him having the balls to pull an Al Davis-like outside the box pick and not just a do what’s expected of me
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Al Davis hadn’t been all that successful recently.
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Neither has Reg.
At least with Al we had an identity to hang our hats on. Under Reg we probably lost that, we axed the best coach we had since Gruden. Rendered our best player ineffective and halved our win total under Al the two previous years.
Don’t worry though. We’re doing things “the right way” now.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:22 pm
Chris in NY, Reggie probably needs more than 1 Season, and more than a handfull of picks to date, to establish an Identity.
Just sayin.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
true. revis will want to be paid. there are a lot of good CBs in FA too. could see what leodis mckelvin can do. great returner too
February 18th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Man, time is a wastin’. Forget about going 0-16 so we can draft Clowney and he MIGHT be good for us.
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With all due respect, did anyone ever really feel or consider this as Real or possible?
It’s a straw man.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
I would be happy with a draft of Milner in the 1st, FIU safety Jonathan Cuyprien in the 3rd, and the Honey Badger in the 4th.
Didn’t the 49ers draft a bunch of secondary guys one year and won a couple Super Bowls the next few years?
Let’s do it. Draft some uglies at the bottom of the draft, and address the pass-rush issue via FA.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
I’d like to say that last yr’s 4-12 was a neccessary evil we had to endure to get to the point now…where were ready to make our move up…but I can’t.
The switch to the zbs…and the subsequent stubborness of sticking with it was NOT neccessary. We didn’t have to be as bad as we were.
My hope is that erros have been realized; corrections made, and it’s full steam ahead.
I don’t blame the dire outlook based on past results. It’s understandable, but there’s more prssure this yr. on the coaches and players to win, and we will see …hopefully…what all the fuss in regard to Reggie was all about.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:24 pm
true. revis will want to be paid. there are a lot of good CBs in FA too. could see what leodis mckelvin can do. great returner too
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Gotta find VALUE, and FIT.
Guys gotta fit in and contribute to the good vibes.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:27 pm
either way i think we have huff, and mcfadden as nice trade bait should we decide to go that way. i’m all for trading either as long as we replace him with decent talent
February 18th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Didn’t the 49ers draft a bunch of secondary guys one year and won a couple Super Bowls the next few years?
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Under Walsh…Lott….Wright….Hicks
They already had Montana.
That happens ONCE in my Lifetime.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
I just remember last year during college football saturdays.. Tyrann mathieu would be the most talked about football player on twitter.
I mean even legit NFL guys were talking about how awesome this kid was playing.
Always has a nose for the football or would come up with some big play. Raiders need players like this.
I dont want a team full of Nathan stupars and Bergstroms
February 18th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
im telling you if the offense is corrected to like 2010/11 form.. dont be suprised if the Raiders pull out at least 6-10 wins.. all based on how well the DEFENSE is playing too.
Which is why Reggie should focuse on rebuilding the DEFENSE in this draft
February 18th, 2013 at 6:30 pm
I dont want a team full of Nathan stupars and Bergstroms
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Me neither, nor do the Raiders. You Know that.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Man, time is a wastin’. Forget about going 0-16 so we can draft Clowney and he MIGHT be good for us.
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With all due respect, did anyone ever really feel or consider this as Real or possible?
It’s a straw man.
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Are u asking are guys really saying to tank the season for Clowney? The answer is yes they are. I do believe those saying this believe it to be a realistic option.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
I dont want a team full of Nathan stupars and Bergstroms
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Me neither, nor do the Raiders. You Know that.
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I dont mean talent level.. im talking its ok to have some guys “rough around the edges” some guys that play with flare… and have a chip on their shoulder.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:33 pm
As a Glass Half Full Guy, I can imagine the Raiders O scoring an average of 24-26 points.
I can also imagine that the last 4 games on D were not an illusion. Ranked top 5?
Having said that, I gotta see it to believe it.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
That happens ONCE in my Lifetime.
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I heard you were a born again, so I think we are good with giving it another whurl.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
196, I agree.
I’d prefer everyone picked us to win the SB or at least be a contender, but i’m ok everyone thinks we’re gonna suck.
It’ll make the season that much sweeter.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:26 pm
I would be happy with a draft of Milner in the 1st, FIU safety Jonathan Cuyprien in the 3rd, and the Honey Badger in the 4th.
Didn’t the 49ers draft a bunch of secondary guys one year and won a couple Super Bowls the next few years?
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Yeah, but they had a pretty good front seven, and a good Oline when they did that.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Are u asking are guys really saying to tank the season for Clowney? The answer is yes they are. I do believe those saying this believe it to be a realistic option.
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OK, they’re deluded to the reality of Grown men with Jobs.
Sounds like School Boys with no accountability in life.
Never will happen.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
If we draft the Honey Badger in the 4th, it will be high time to schlepp of Jacoby if possible.
You think we could trade him and our 6th to the Pats to get their late 4th?
If so, use it to draft Fauria, TE from UCLA.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
In this draft take two PASS RUSHERS..
A corner / MLB / DT
February 18th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Go get Osi in FA, fresh off feeling slighted and with a Super Bowl pedigree, he will be better than anyone in this draft.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:34 pm
That happens ONCE in my Lifetime.
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I heard you were a born again, so I think we are good with giving it another whurl.
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JFB, you lost Me Bro.
You think that happens again?
Not likely.
Regardless of ME. lol
February 18th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
I don’t really agree with Mayock’s pick for the Raiders, but I agree with his take that there’s not a lot of separation between No. 5 and No. 25 in this draft. I think at least 90% of fans would love to trade down, but this reality may make that very tough. Best possibility would be if Joeckel slips and some team with extra picks and a major LT need (such as St. Louis) wants to leapfrog Philly.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
You think that happens again?
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Draft three DB’s and have us win a couple Super Bowls in the next few years? Yeah prob not.
But it will improve the hell out of this team, and give us a young, FRESH, secondary for years to come.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
Resign Carter.
He’ll be the example Seymour was supposed to be, and he’ll play for about 2 mil, and provide 10 sacks or so. He can get us to 2014.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Rams drafted a LT #2 overall in 2009, and #33 overall in 2010.
Can’t imagine they go all in and trade up for another LT.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Don’t worry though. We’re doing things “the right way” now.
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Yup. Just one of 32 now.
The final decade of Al jaded just about every RAIDER fan.
Only the dinosaurs remember how great it was when the RAIDS were the iconoclastic renegades that did things their own way and were consistent winners.
There really was a mystique.
Man, it was great.
Never be another AD.
Can’t dwell on the past though.
Time to get back to winning.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
I have heard rumors that Reggie is high on one UT WR in this draft.. and he goes by the name of JUSTIN HUNTER.
wont be suprised if we trade down and try and take him in the 2nd round
February 18th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
i really like sharrif floyd. just not at 3 maybe at 7 or 9
February 18th, 2013 at 6:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
You think that happens again?
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Draft three DB’s and have us win a couple Super Bowls in the next few years? Yeah prob not.
But it will improve the hell out of this team, and give us a young, FRESH, secondary for years to come.
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IF, they all play like Lott, Wright, and Hicks.
What type of odds you give on that happening.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
JFB,
You see that long post about Mathieu? That is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell yall about the kid. He will flat out get you the ball. He plays the game with street smarts. The last NFL guy I saw play like that (a street smarts style) was another 504 native, Marshall Faulk. Kurt Warner and Dick Vermeil will both tell you that Faulk was always the smartest guy on the field.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
He plays the game with street smarts.
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Ehhhh……sounds great for returning kicks.
3rd and 9 defensively? Not so much.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Hunter was a top-shelf HS prospect, but showed he has awful hands in college.
No need to trade up for him in the 2nd IMO, he might be there in the 4th.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Gotta run Fellas.
JFB, I’ll give some thought to your Bill Walsh Trifecta.
Really not a bad thought.
WAY out of the box however. lol
February 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
Yep im telling you Tyrann Mathieu will bring some edge to this defense.. some edge Dennis Allen and Reggie have been craving. Yes he would be a rookie but I guarentee you he would be a fan favorite from DAY 1.
Why ?? Cuz he goes all out in every play.
Raider fans love that.. and thats out Number 1. Prerequestie (sp) to being a RAIDER.. and he would feed off the crowd just like we would be feeding off him.. when he makes a Strip tackle.. INT.. or takes one to the house on a Punt RETURN
February 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
214, Nooooo. Please nooooo. I watch a lot of Vol football and this guy makes DHB look like the surest hands wr in the business. It’s Patterson we want from UT. HE is a stud.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
At 5′7 Honey Badger struggled in man to man coverage in college, and probaly won’t be asked to do much of it at all in the pro’s.
Best kick returner to come out though since Hester.
Wouldn’t be suprised if he made a Hester like switch to some offensive plays in the NFL.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
Osi’s a possibility, but a risky option. A bit of a malcontent who thinks he’s better than he is and, most importantly, is probably past his prime. Now, I’m not saying he’s totally done. I think he can still be a good player for another 3 or 4 years. But he’s not elite and there’s also some risk that his decline comes much quicker.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:49 pm
With Mathieu you have three chances as a defense to win the play. Mathieu will int, pass breakup, or after completed pass will strip the ball from receiver.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
I have a feeling Mathieu will go to the Cards.. (he is living and being trained by Patrick Peterson) the lions.. Pats or CINCY
I bet someone will reach with a late 2nd round pick on mathieu.
If we dont even think of landing Mathieu.. look for TRUFANT.. or POYVER out of OSU
February 18th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Yiou would give JFord away for a 6th? what are you people thinking? I would give Ford for a 4th and a 5th and you’d do it for a 6th. I guess that’s why everyone has their own opinion. I cetainly don’t understand you guys…
February 18th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
also RG3 texted Mathieu told him to stay out of trouble and he would put a good word in for him with the REDSKINS.
Shannhan will isten to rg3.. whatever u say bro!
February 18th, 2013 at 6:54 pm
i don’t think we draft a wr this year unless its a late rounder or someone that falls and we cant pass him up. we have sooooo many young wrs already.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
You guys don’t talk much about Adams. Watch some tape w/o preconceived ideas and I think you’ll see a guy who has big potential.
The big thing i see is he looks back at the ball and is always looking to make a play.
He had a heckuva game against Denver and di pretty well in the other games. NOT Baltimore where he had that embarrassing fumble on that return, but i’m talking in coverage.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
All players get injured, it’s not IF you will get injured it’s when and how bad. You cannot be stupid because a guy gets injured because they guy you get may get injured worse. Talent outwieghs everything…
February 18th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
also ACE SANDERS would be a nice pickup
February 18th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Ford and TK should be dangled like Kirk Morrison was, to move up 20+ spots in the middle rounds.
One of our local scribes tweeted that the organization wasn’t all that pleased with his rehab efforts this year.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
i do like adams actually. easy to forget though
February 18th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
how about RAMBO?
February 18th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Adams had two concussions over a couple of weeks.
Can’t count on him long-term, but do agree that he was a pleasant suprise at times.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
I heard something Interesting. REGGIE already has a FAT AZZ Rolodex of agents.. and knows all potential UDFA’s his year have a chance at a legit starting spot on the RAIDERS Roster.. thats how bad our DEPTH has been
February 18th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Yiou would give JFord away for a 6th? what are you people thinking? I would give Ford for a 4th and a 5th and you’d do it for a 6th. I guess that’s why everyone has their own opinion. I cetainly don’t understand you guys…
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I would think barely a 6th for Ford. Remember he has been in the league three years and has really done nothing. Who is going to give you a 4th for that? Elvis Dummervil was a 4th rounder. You can get good players in the 4th.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Over 3 seasons, Ford is averaging about 300 yards a season from scrimmage.
Nothing special here.
February 18th, 2013 at 6:59 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
214, Nooooo. Please nooooo. I watch a lot of Vol football and this guy makes DHB look like the surest hands wr in the business. It’s Patterson we want from UT. HE is a stud.
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Was watching some sort of ’skills’ event in which Patterson participated. The typical catch a bunch of balls fired from the juggs launcher, run the obstacle coarse, type of thing.
Patterson’s definitely got the tools to be good. Quite the physical speciman.
Announcers were quick to point out he’s not too polished and his production wasn’t fantastic.
Certainly looks the part though.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
I have a feeling Mathieu will go to the Cards.. (he is living and being trained by Patrick Peterson) the lions.. Pats or CINCY
I bet someone will reach with a late 2nd round pick on mathieu.
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Mathieu is a very good college player. I don’t think he is a pro player. Not a pro defender any way. Possibly a punt returner.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:01 pm
Mike Loyko@NEPD_Loyko
#Tennesse WR Justin Hunter the #8 WR on Mayocks board and a second round pick
Matthew Fairburn@MatthewFairburn
McShay says Justin Hunter is the much better wide receiver right now than Cordarrelle Patterson but won’t be drafted as high
some nfl draft guys .. dont know who they are.. but came up from justin hunter mentions
February 18th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
Ford is a brittle track star. I had high hopes for him. But after last season I am done with him. I was pissed at JFB last offseason for mentioning trading Ford, now I am all for it.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
I just know what I heard.. that REGGIE is high on UT WR Justin hunter.. probaly Patterson too
But hunter is a deep thread and RZ thread the guy said
February 18th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Hunter’s 40 time will be crucial to his draft status.
He could really move up the ranks with a 4.4 time.
He has all the measurables, but man he dropped a boat load of easy passes in college.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:58 pm
Over 3 seasons, Ford is averaging about 300 yards a season from scrimmage.
Nothing special here.
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Seems to be an injury prone guy.
Makes a good catch..then limps off for 6 wk’s…or more.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Im tired of Jacoby and his emotions.. always piss poor..
The guy is good ..but he is just a track guy who plays football IMO
thats why a couple nicks here and there ..and he is done. Not his fault tho
February 18th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
deep threat*
February 18th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Ford and TK should be dangled like Kirk Morrison was, to move up 20+ spots in the middle rounds.
One of our local scribes tweeted that the organization wasn’t all that pleased with his rehab efforts this year.
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You are an idiot of major proportions….
February 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I got a lot of flack for saying we should have traded Ford last offseason.
Bet we could have got a 3rd for him then.
What did he do, play like 20 plays in the preseason?
Somehow he managed to turn that into 3 dropped passes and a season ending injury.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
how about RAMBO?
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I liked what I saw from Rambo in the Senior Bowl.
His pick was Jerry Robinsoneque.
Pretty sure his number of tackles has been quite good.
That’s a guy that appears to be flying under a lot of people’s radar.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
I just know what I heard.. that REGGIE is high on UT WR Justin hunter.. probaly Patterson too
But hunter is a deep thread and RZ thread the guy said
245.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Hunter’s 40 time will be crucial to his draft status.
He could really move up the ranks with a 4.4 time.
He has all the measurables, but man he dropped a boat load of easy passes in college.
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Hunter WAS a guy who seemed to be a big time receiver right up until the time he went down in the 2nd game of the 2011 season, but he came back last yr. and just seemed scared. He dropped alot of passes.
To me, that’s the last thing we need.
I’d rather have a Welker type guy…5′8 but runs precise routes, goes all out every play and holds onto the dang ball.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
JFB while we at it why don’t we give Plamer for a 5th and some cookies….yum!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Yeah, Priest according to you we should never restrucutre any players, because it all “comes out in the wash at the end”.
Unfortunately for you, 32 NFL front office and the late Al Davis highly disagree with you.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
So that means you get rid of him because he got injured???
Just how ridiculous can you get man??
Players get injured IDIOT!!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
Man look I should just stay out of here.
Sometimes this place is an absolute Looney Bin
Adios!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
You wonder if Tony Sparano might be able to coax Jake Long out here, and put him on the right side. That could be sweet.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Anyone see us franchising Wheeler?
February 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Ford has had an injury of some sort every year he has been in the NFL. It’s not just a one time thing. Look it up. He is injury prone.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
So that means you get rid of him because he got injured???
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Say that to Jim Harbaugh and Alex Smith.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:13 pm
Anyone see us franchising Wheeler?
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No.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
Yes, players get injured, and teams get rid of them.
Or do we just keep all injured players because “it all comes out in the wash at the end”?
February 18th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
i can totally see jake long coming here. sparano drafted him
February 18th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
I thought Wheeler was getting vet minimum on a one year contract. Would it cost that much to resign him?
February 18th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
rumors are chiefs would like to go after wheeler. heard this on Sirius Nfl Radio
February 18th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Jake Long will probably be soured on the market for him, and might be willing to sign a 1 year deal, to try to restake his rep and hit FA again in 2014.
I think Sparano could convince him to come here at 1 year/6.5 million guaranteed with some incentives and let him anchor RT for a year.
He isn’t a better LT than Veldheer.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
RFL,
I read somewhere he will be one of those guys in high demand.
If he wants to be here, I guess Reggie will work something out w/ him.
Remember while Al was still alive guys were saying “When Al is gone, Oakland will finally be a destination FA’s will wanna come to”.?
I don’t see that yet.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Jake Long will probably be soured on the market for him, and might be willing to sign a 1 year deal, to try to restake his rep and hit FA again in 2014.
I think Sparano could convince him to come here at 1 year/6.5 million guaranteed with some incentives and let him anchor RT for a year.
He isn’t a better LT than Veldheer.
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My point with Long is he wasn’t a very good LT the last two years or so. He very well might be better suited on the right side.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
I’m sure Long isn’t completely ready to give up on being a LT just yet, but the market is the market, he may have to adapt.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
I guess Minn should’ve dumped Adrian Pederson then he got injured..
Payton Manning sure was a wasted pickup.
Marcus Allen was injured every year for 4 years straight. Still I thought he could still play for us.
If you’re going to dump eveyr player when he gets injured you will NEVER field a team.
Bunch of class AAA morons in here.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
If u guys can tune into ESPN Sports Center right now they are about to have McShay come on and talk about “who to look out for” in the draft.
He’s gonna talk about Cordarrelle Patterson from the Vols among others.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Why give up on Ford ?
Not like you’re going to get much for him.
One thing that Al understood (and that many people mock him for over-emphasizing) is that SPEED KILLS.
Yeah, Jacoby has been anything but durable, and the partying on New Year’s Eve before the Charger game was irresponsible and immature – but if he’s right, he’s got ability and definite upside.
Best kick returner we’ve had in forever, made some huge catches to take down the Chefs.
And he’s inexpensive to boot.
Not a guy I’m looking to trade.
I’m all for dumping guys that will not come back to haunt us.
I’d dump Sloturdo in a second and not worry about having to face him down the line.
Same went for JaMoron and Jason Cantball.
I’d dump Palmer for long term strategic and cap purposes, although he might have a decent year or two left in him.
Ford I keep around.
Way too early to give up on Jacoby and get next to nothing in return.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
i dont think anyone here wants jake long to take velheers spot. he would be RT
February 18th, 2013 at 7:30 pm
Comparing Jacoby Ford’s situation to 3 HOF’ers is about as immaterial an example as one could give.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
If you’re going to dump eveyr player when he gets injured
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Who is talking about getting rid of every injured player? I said one guy, the same guy I said we should have traded last offseason.
Man, the paranoia, voice-in-your head driven responses are beyond creepy.
Take a deep breath, and stop acting and typing like you are 14 years old.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
Stop thinking like you’re 5
You say some of the stupidest crap imaginable.
get 6th for Ford? You’d have half teh league lined up to do it………get a brain!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
haha JFB. i hear ya. people in here love to freak out over simple suggestions. lol look at the palmer debate. i mean comon its just an option for gods sake. we are all raider fans here
February 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Anyboby thinking we get rid of or trade JFORD, is doing bath salt, or smoked a bad batch….
February 18th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
JFORD <—– will be an IMPORTANT piece of the O going forward….
February 18th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
but nobody would give a 4th for jacoby ford. just wont happen. maybe a 6th and i think he is worth more than that to keep on the roster for the slot
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Rams are a little thin at the WR position. Wonder if they would be willing to give up this years 5th round pick for Jacoby.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
jacoby Ford hasn’t even scratched the surface yet. When you get a gem l like that you get whatever he has before ever giving him away for scraps…..
DMo the same thing we don’t yet know what he is the same with DHB these guys are extremely young players……all I ever read in tghis DUMP of a place full idiots is get rid this guy dump that guy. Cut this guy……..you guys are absolutely crazy.
Exactly what do you think you’ll end up with in exchange HOF’s from the mid rnds???
get a freakin clue for a change!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
……….. we are all raider fans here
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Don’t be so naive,there are a lot of people here that aren’t Raider fans.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Well half the league passed on Ford in the draft for 4 rounds, and has since got injured a few times and has one year left on his contract.
I bet half the league wouldn’t give us ANYTHING for him.
Brandon Lloyd was traded for a 6th round pick. Lou Murphy for a 7th.
Ford is neither of those guys.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
You have to allow a team to develope into something instead of dumping every player you don’t like.
teams are biuld over time and if a GM ever was dumb enough to listen to the foolishness in here he wouldn’t beat San Jose St. inside of a year.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
I am sure Priest will tell us that Ford is way better and has way more upside than either of those two, even though in 3 years he hasn’t outproduced them in any season.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Don’t u guys think it’s a legit concern when we talk of Ford’s health?
He went down in Palmers 3rd game in SD after making a nice catch and then the next yr. got injured early and was gone the rest of the season.
The guy has missed significant time with various injuries.
I love Ford…when he plays; which hasn’t been very often last couple yr’s.
I’m not for getting rid of him but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to be concerned about him.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
When it comes to dumping or moving players I like to ask two questions.
Is the player I’m considering getting rid of someone that might come back to haunt me ?
Does my team get better without him ? Is there an opportunity for addition by subtraction ?
I would not want to be facing Ford returning a kick-off in another uniform.
I would welcome the opportunity to run the ball against Sloturdo McWhiff and have him poison another team.
These decisions really shouldn’t be that difficult.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Well half the league passed on Ford in the draft for 4 rounds, and has since got injured a few times and has one year left on his contract.
I bet half the league wouldn’t give us ANYTHING for him.
Brandon Lloyd was traded for a 6th round pick. Lou Murphy for a 7th.
Ford is neither of those guys.
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DMO was a 5th rounder…Come on man.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Priest still thinks or at least hopes McClain will start at MLB next year.
Enough said.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
DMO was a 5th rounder…Come on man.
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He has outplayed his draft status.
Ford hasn’t.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Just Fire Baby, Angling for a wager on JFORD.
I will bet that he stays and is a part of the O moving forward. Whats the wager????
February 18th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Yup, of the last 24 possible regular season games, Ford has missed 23 of them.
No reason for concern though.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Irjonny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
……….. we are all raider fans here
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Don’t be so naive,there are a lot of people here that aren’t Raider fans.
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I was gonna say…
February 18th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
#1 overall pick in 2014. sounds about right. very little talent on every level of the organization from the GM to the Coaches to the Roster. Got some talented fans though.
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I’d be happy with the #1 pick in 2014. With the #1 pick in the 2014 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina. We can only hope that we have a shot at Clowney. This guy’s picture is in the dictionary right above the “Uber-Beast” label.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Thec,
How about wherever Ford is next year, he doesn’t excede 420 yards from scrimmage?
I will give you an even money wager.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
DMO was a 5th rounder…Come on man.
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He has outplayed his draft status.
Ford hasn’t.
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Disagree…When he has been on the field he has.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
I got a lot of flack for saying we should have traded Ford last offseason.
Bet we could have got a 3rd for him then.
What did he do, play like 20 plays in the preseason?
Somehow he managed to turn that into 3 dropped passes and a season ending injury.
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I’m just glad they are stupid enough to to do it. He would last 5mins. for a 6th rnd pick. the Niners would be all over him………..period
February 18th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
JFB, You hav ecomplete outdone yourself. you’re crazy………period
February 18th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Thec,
How about wherever Ford is next year, he doesn’t excede 420 yards from scrimmage?
I will give you an even money wager.
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Thats a 2 part double or nothing potential;
1. I say he stays with the Raids.
2. He gains more than 420 YFS.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
I’m sure Long isn’t completely ready to give up on being a LT just yet, but the market is the market, he may have to adapt.
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I can probably assure you he does not want to give up being a LT at all. But the league may feel differently.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:54 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
You have to allow a team to develope into something instead of dumping every player you don’t like.
teams are biuld over time and if a GM ever was dumb enough to listen to the foolishness in here he wouldn’t beat San Jose St. inside of a year.
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How much more time should we give DHB? (answer, according to Father Pride & Poise): long enough to blame the player for disappointing Saint Al’s faith in him.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Lloyd was traded for a 6th rounder.
There’s your market. Ford couldn’t hold a candle to Lloyd.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Reggie’s gonna try to trade down. He has to. Whether he succeeds or not is another story.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
When he has been on the field he has.
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That’s kind of important isn’t it?
When healthy, he hasn’t averaged 40 yards a game rushing AND recieving per game.
Inclue injuries, and he is down to like 17 yards a week, in average production.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Ford had 4 KR for TDs in his 1st 2 years.
Lets trade him and draft another KR who is short, slow, has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
Great Logic.
You People are mad!!
February 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Anybody stupid enough to trade Ford for Brandon Lloyd has to be NUTS!
You can get brandon Lloyd’s old slow ass off the scrapheap. Ford is a once in a lifetime gamebreaking player with the speed teams would kill for.
That kickretuen in the SB from the 8yardline in the endzone is what Ford can do for you. Ford is exceptional with the ball in his hands.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Lloyd was traded for a 6th rounder.
There’s your market. Ford couldn’t hold a candle to Lloyd.
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Commit to the bet…
February 18th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Thats a 2 part double or nothing potential;
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What happens if he goes on IR before the season starts?
February 18th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
For the Raiders that is.
February 18th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
When he has been on the field he has.
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That’s kind of important isn’t it?
When healthy, he hasn’t averaged 40 yards a game rushing AND recieving per game.
Inclue injuries, and he is down to like 17 yards a week, in average production.
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Do the bet
February 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
How about wherever Ford is next year, he doesn’t excede 420 yards from scrimmage?
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LMAO at 420.
Just an arbitrary number I’m sure.
I’d take that wager.
If Ford’s wittle footsie is ok, he eclipses that easily.
Course, that’s a big if.
But if you include KO return yardage he does that 420.
No sweat.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Ford is a once in a lifetime gamebreaking player
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There it is !!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Chico,
You have a problem with Ford’s injury, but you don’t have a problem with HB who has off the field issues and didn’t play last year?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Thats a 2 part double or nothing potential;
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What happens if he goes on IR before the season starts?
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You win both
February 18th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
J.Ford is Chaz Schillinz 2.0
Do you keep a roster spot open for a what if?
If Ford gets injured again this season his trade value will drop to a negative zero.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
Interesting that the league is having Raiders staff work the Combine; supposedly to “help” us make good picks in the draft.
What? The NFL wants the Raiders to “win” now?
The league is offering 200 ill. toward a new stadium in Oakland to help the Raiders get it done.
Does the league look at it like if we don’t start winning soon NOBODY will want the Raiders? Do they see “winning” as an important piece going forward with the org.?…and sooner than later?
I don’t like anybody feeling sorry for us, I just always wanted things to be fair and square.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Lloyd has 3,400 yards receiving and 20 TD’s the last 3 years.
Ford has less than 800 recieving, and less than 1,000 rushing and recieving the last 3.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
you want to make it a trifecta;
1. JFORD Goes IR before the season starts.
2. JFORD stays with the Raids.
3. JFORD goes over 420 YFS
If JFORD is IR’ed before the sesons starts you win all 3.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
You win both
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Game on.
$50 a leg?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
but you don’t have a problem with HB who has off the field issues and didn’t play last year?
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Between the head issues are more easily resolved THAN the issues with the legs and feet.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
You win both
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Game on.
$50 a leg?
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Season starts = Preseason
February 18th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Raider O Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Ford had 4 KR for TDs in his 1st 2 years.
Lets trade him and draft another KR who is short, slow, has off the field issues, and didn’t play last year.
Great Logic.
You People are mad!!
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I’m not on that trade Ford bus but I all for the honey badger being a raider!!!
ReggieMac…..
Lookin at you
February 18th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
They both have issues.
It makes no sense (to me) to trade a good/ proven KR who had injury issues, so we can draft a kid (gamble) who has off the field issues.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Season starts = Preseason
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What does that mean?
YOU PEOPLE and all your riders to simple bets, lol
February 18th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Season starts = Preseason
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What does that mean?
YOU PEOPLE and all your riders to simple bets, lol
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truly ROFLMAO….
February 18th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
I rather give ford another chance, and draft players that play more snaps than a KR like a pass rusher, starting CB, DT, etc….
February 18th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
Priest still thinks or at least hopes McClain will start at MLB next year.
Enough said.
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Nice to see that New Mexico’s Nostradamus is well on the way to a complete recovery from his Slo-mania.
JFB will be fully cured when he realizes Sloturdo McWhiff isn’t going to be starting at MLB or ILB or OLB, for the RAIDS or any other NFL team, EVER.
Out of the NFL by 2014.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
hell man everything this staff was going to do last year ws based around Ford and DMC. That kind of speed on your roster is absolutely lethal.
That’s why the Minn kept Percy harvin who is more injured than anyone I cna think of but he makes incredible plays.
Ford is a bigplay machine he just was never really healthy from the first injury he re-injured the same foot sme injury.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:12 pm
LOL @ “NM’s Nostradamus”
My favorite predictions:
1- Frantz Joseph being the next R Lewis
2- Knapp’s offense scoring 30+ points/ game
February 18th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Hey, if Ford is on the roster going into the season, not like I am going to be mad or something.
Anything from him at this stage is a plus though, IMO.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
I’m not sure about McClain’s future, but I think there is a possibility he returns next season.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
My favorite BLOG predictions…….
February 18th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
All you cats in here who want to dump all the talent on this team so we can get worse not better……aint no Raider fans like the ones I know.
You cats seem like double agents to me. Every player worth a damn who has any issues at all has to go. I’m not saying some players you have to cut bait at some point if he ca’t get right. But you never throw the baby out with the bath water………..period
February 18th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
you want to make it a trifecta;
1. JFORD Goes IR before the regular season starts 09/08/13.
2. JFORD stays with the Raids.
3. JFORD goes over 420 YFS
If JFORD is IR’ed before the sesons starts you win all 3.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
That’s why the Minn kept Percy harvin who is more injured than anyone I cna think of but he makes incredible plays.
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Harvin’s missed 23 of 24 games before?
He has missed 10 games in 4 years. Ford has missed 24 in 3 years.
“More than anyone you can think of” except for of course……the actual topic we are talking about.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I’m good on betting on a guy, especially a Raider at that, getting injured.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Bad ju-ju
February 18th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
50 usd per leg…
February 18th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
1- Frantz Joseph being the next R Lewis
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What???
That was YOU PEOPLE, I made fun of you Frantz fanatics the whole time.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
I’m good on betting on a guy, especially a Raider at that, getting injured.
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Back to the orginal plan;
1. JFORD stays with the Raids.
2. JFORD goes over 420 YFS
50 per leg
February 18th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
I am going back into Ghost mode…
1 NATION
February 18th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Saying Ford is a once in a lifetime player, when he averages missing 8 games a year, is like saying the 230 pound chick would be smoking hot if she lost 100 pounds.
Until they do, they ain’t crap but some fools daydream.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
Back to the orginal plan;
1. JFORD stays with the Raids.
2. JFORD goes over 420 YFS
50 per leg
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Locked and loaded
February 18th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
1- Frantz Joseph being the next R Lewis
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What???
That was YOU PEOPLE, I made fun of you Frantz fanatics the whole time.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
I said that.
Ostradamus !!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
I like to kid JFB about some of his totally incorrect prognostications.
Talking about the Slo-mania and Krapp will have us scoring tons of points sort of stuff.
But JFB’s pre-season prediction that Grads would be starting the 2nd half of the Ram game was pure money.
He also did well predicting Christian Ponder would go in the first.
He also had the RAIDS drafting DMO.
He’s had a few gems before losing his marbles.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Can’t win them all RM99.
Something had me off my game last year.
First season of sober predictions, BTW.
2013 will be my Josh Hamilton like resurrection, lol.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Slo-Mania got off to a spleen bursting start to the year, but tapered off a tad as the year went along.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Tavon Austin / Stedman Bailey One could be a Raider.
Reggie wants his Randall Cobb. Could Ford be that??
February 18th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Ford like Tavon Austin is tremendous in openfield the only reason Ford was on the board where we got him is they didn’t think he could make it in the offense.When he made it offensively he was worth a 2nd rndr same as Tavon Austin. Except Ford may even be faster. Steadman is IMO in the top 5 WR’s maybe top 3. Depends on how fast the kid from Cal runs he may the best of the bunch.
If I lost Ford I would hav eto replace him with a Tavon Austin who complares favorably to him. But all players get hurt but Ford waas never really healthy, is all.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
All you cats in here who want to dump all the talent on this team so we can get worse not better……aint no Raider fans like the ones I know.
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Hey I say the same thing about Palmer. Fans want to get rid of him and he is our most productive player. You look at guys like McFadden and Ford and they have not been productive. McFadden has the third highest cap number behind only AP and Chris Johnson. He has a higher number than guys like Michael Turner, Arian Foster, Steven Jackson and Marshawn at not NEAR the production. Jacoby Ford has 44 receptions in three years as a pro. That’s not very productive even if he was playing for free.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Seymour Bush,
Two words…….shut up!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
JFB, they put up lines on MLB season win totals a few days ago.
My Mets opened at 74 and were bet down to 73.
Don’t remember what the Gigantes were. Think it was 90.
Off to the casinos, gents.
Time to make some money. Hopefully.
Take care, fellas.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Mets winning 75 games?
I would give that less than a 50% chance.
That lineup is awful outside of Wright.
February 18th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
tj if you only added ………period id be in your corner 100%
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Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Seymour Bush,
Two words…….shut up!
February 18th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Seymour Bush,
Two words…….shut up!
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Huh?
February 18th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Two words…….shut up!
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Who is the “double-agent”?
A Raider fan gives his opinion, talking up a current player, cites examples for his concerns, and does so with respect.
And you tell him to “shut-up” because you disagree with him?
You are fvkn disgrace to every person that wears Silver and Black gear around this country.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Peymour Glen, he told you to shut up. What dont you understand?
lol
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Seymour Bush Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
Huh?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
RIP Dr. Jerry Buss. Greatest owner in sports history.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
http://dailypicksandflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/I-bet-you-didnt-notice-the-Godzilla.jpg
February 18th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
Comin’ from you that is high praise
I’d hate to be associated with you lames…
February 18th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Peymour Glen, he told you to shut up. What dont you understand?
lol
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Jamista Clown! Have you finally learned how to work a spoon yet?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:11 pm
Jacoby ford for a 6th rnd pick….
Gawddamn dumbell…
February 18th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
I’d hate to be associated with you lames…
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Priest says he doesn’t drink. I don’t believe him.
He’s drinking and pontificating from on high.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Jamista it has to be tough when your whole world is crashing. Your boy Romney is running around Compton looking to cop some drugs, your political philosophies have been proven to be bunk, and your Cleveland Browns have no future. Maybe they should move to Baltimore again.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Priest still thinks or at least hopes McClain will start at MLB next year.
Enough said.
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For the Raiders?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Man, time is a wastin’. Forget about going 0-16 so we can draft Clowney and he MIGHT be good for us.
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With all due respect, did anyone ever really feel or consider this as Real or possible?
It’s a straw man.
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Based on last season’s performance of the team, including coaches,can you give us a realistic, an unbiased assessment of what RM and DA will do to take this team to 8-8 or better in 2013 and what players will we land that will have better talent, as a group, than this years team. Again, base this on last year’s or even 2011 performance and players. For instance do you realistically think RM will land three players with the same talent level as Kelly, Seymour, and McClain at those positions?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:27 pm
Raiders for life Says:
If Ford gets injured again this season his trade value will drop to a negative zero.
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Couldn’t be that bad. Maybe a positive zero?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Some of you involve too much emotion when evaluating players. NFL, not for long, in you don’t produce.
Doesn’t matter how much some of you might have a man crush on a player.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
logic82 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:25 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
Man, time is a wastin’. Forget about going 0-16 so we can draft Clowney and he MIGHT be good for us.
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With all due respect, did anyone ever really feel or consider this as Real or possible?
It’s a straw man.
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Based on last season’s performance of the team, including coaches,can you give us a realistic, an unbiased assessment of what RM and DA will do to take this team to 8-8 or better in 2013 and what players will we land that will have better talent, as a group, than this years team. Again, base this on last year’s or even 2011 performance and players. For instance do you realistically think RM will land three players with the same talent level as Kelly, Seymour, and McClain at those positions?
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I can answer that. There are two things that bode well for turning this around: lst off Reggie, Allen and company have had a full year to evaluate what they had here. And it wasn’t much. But NOW, they know exactly what they have. 2ndly, if we know one thing about McKenzie he is going to keep trying things until he can find someone who can actually play the game on the field.
Going forward, the defense made strides later in the season. Getting rid of McLain is going to be addition by subtraction. The Oline played better later in the season as well. One or two good skill players, a better middle linebacker, and a pass rusher, and this team can be competitive. Is it a deep in the playoffs caliber team? Heck no. But it can be competitive.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Met Jerry Buss once. He talked to me for awhile, nice guy.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Would Carson Palmer fit with Cardinals?
-SB Nation-Revenge of the Birds
Now that we are in the NFL offseason, The biggest news tends to be related to salary cap casualties, the NFL Draft and free agency, which begins in a month. Regarding the first category — salary cap casualties — there could be a quarterback the Arizona Cardinals might want to look at, and it isn’t Alex Smith. Think about Carson Palmer.
According to Yahoo’s “Shutdown Corner” offseason reports, the Oakland could cut ties with Palmer and his bulky contract, giving Terrelle Pryor a shot to lead the team. Palmer is due to make $13 million in 2013 and holds a cap number of over $15 million.
If Palmer were to hit the open market, that would immediately change the quarterback market. As of right now, the biggest names available include such players as Matt Moore and perhaps Alex Smith, if the San Francisco 49ers cut him.
Palmer threw for over 4000 yards in 2012, with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He is not young at age 33, but he is certainly not washed up. He can throw the deep ball. He can make throws in tight windows. He would quickly become the best quarterback available.
Arizona’s QBs combined for 11 touchdowns and 21 interceptions, three and 18 if you remove Kevin Kolb from the equation.
Palmer’s name was brought up in 2010 when he was “retired” from the Bengals as a possibility for the Cardinals to acquire, and Kurt Warner believed that Palmer would be a great fit. Based on what we know about head coach Bruce Arians, Palmer would not be a bad option. And at age 33, he could either be a quick bridge to someone the team wants to develop or a solution for a few seasons.
Obviously, $13 million is probably not what the Cards would want to pay him, but if he is cut, there is no reason why he has to be paid that much.
What do you think? Would Palmer immediately be a better option than anyone else out there in free agency? And would you want him anyway?
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February 18th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
I love Ford…when he plays; which hasn’t been very often last couple yr’s.
I’m not for getting rid of him but I don’t think it’s ridiculous to be concerned about him.
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Took me a long time to accept the fact that Chaz was not only our best receiver, but one of the better ones in the league, that would never play.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
I notice that Magic and Shaq refer to Jerry Buss as Dr. Buss.
What kind of doctorate did Buss have ?
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I think he was a Dentist. I met him and Magic at Ceasars in 85′ at the Duran, Hearns fight. He was damned nice.
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Duran Hearns didn’t fight in ‘85.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
373,
Ha. Me too. He has size, speed, made a few plays…never worked out.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
Teams don’t give up high draft picks for often injured players. Just doesn’t happen. Who wants to pay millions to a guy who can’t stay off IR?
February 18th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Ph.D. in physical chemistry from USC.
Dr Jerry buss, you will be missed.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Wasn’t 85? Close. They had just lost to the Celtics in the Finals.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Would Carson Palmer fit with Cardinals?
-SB Nation-Revenge of the Birds
If Palmer were to hit the open market, that would immediately change the quarterback market.Palmer threw for over 4000 yards in 2012, with 22 touchdowns and 14 interceptions. He is not young at age 33, but he is certainly not washed up. He can throw the deep ball. He can make throws in tight windows. He would quickly become the best quarterback available.
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At least somebody appreciates him.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Purvis, That’s what my intent was of posting that article.
February 18th, 2013 at 9:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
373,
Ha. Me too. He has size, speed, made a few plays…never worked out.
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Supposedly excelled in routes, great blocker, soft hands. Big smile on his face in his profile picture. Still hope he puts it together. Won’t resent it at all.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Ford is a dirt-cheap 25-year-old with game-breaking speed at KR and WR and pretty good hands/ball skills. In 1.5 seasons of play, he has 4 kick returns for TDs and has made many big plays as a recceiver.
Why just throw him away? What purpose does that serve?
I suspect some of you guys want to get rid of him to spite him for getting hurt a couple of times. Sorry, I don’t really understand the logic or how that somehow makes us better.
Yes, Ford may be an injury risk. But if he gets hurt the only blow to the team is in not having him in the lineup. Which is what you’re doing by cutting him. He’s not costing a ton and he’s not much of a cap hit. And his teammates seem to really like him.
So there’s basically no downside in keeping Ford a Raider. And the upside is that, if he returns to health/form, you’ve got an extremely affordable, elite KR and highly explosive big-play receiver.
This one’s a no-brainer.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Ford’s not going anywhere. Much more valuable to us than whatever his worth would be on the trade market.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
Ford has made many big plays as a Reciever?
He has all of 1 career recieving TD in a win. His other 2 recieiving TD’s came in double-digit losses.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Ford is a dirt-cheap 25-year-old with game-breaking speed at KR and WR and pretty good hands/ball skills. In 1.5 seasons of play, he has 4 kick returns for TDs and has made many big plays as a recceiver.
Why just throw him away? What purpose does that serve?
I suspect some of you guys want to get rid of him to spite him for getting hurt a couple of times. Sorry, I don’t really understand the logic or how that somehow makes us better.
Yes, Ford may be an injury risk. But if he gets hurt the only blow to the team is in not having him in the lineup. Which is what you’re doing by cutting him. He’s not costing a ton and he’s not much of a cap hit. And his teammates seem to really like him.
So there’s basically no downside in keeping Ford a Raider. And the upside is that, if he returns to health/form, you’ve got an extremely affordable, elite KR and highly explosive big-play receiver.
This one’s a no-brainer.
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Hello! ding ding ding, we have a winner!!!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
Has nothing to do with “Spite”.
Do people really think spite is involved with having an opinion on player transactions?
That’s flipping ridiculous.
It all started from my opinion we should use him to trade up in the draft. What is spiteful about that?
February 18th, 2013 at 10:08 pm
I think the only guy I would trade (accounting for the fact that no one is going to trade for guys like McClain or Seymour at his present salary) is Branch.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Trades abound
McClain to Baltimore for their 3rd, they’ll think they can bring him to his potential, plus he fits their 3-4 scheme;
Palmer and our 4th to Arizona for their 2nd, Fitzgerald gets a veteran qb that allows him to excell once again, palmer renegotiates as he realizes this his best chance to get to a SB;
Huff to Tampa for a third they have the cap space and don’t want him reunited with Rob Ryan New Orleans;
McFadden to Atlanta for 2nd, a trade that benefits everyone.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
We stole that kid now these geniuses want to throw him back.
What good did it do us to get rid of Bush? They were saying similar things about him.
These guys are double agents, I’m sure of it.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
We didn’t get rid of Bush, he was a FA and we offered him a very similiar contract as the Bears, and he chose to leave town.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Not gonna lie I’m scared to get rid of McClain right now it’s just gut reaction. But I think someone is going to get a kid who’s a player for cheap because we didn’t get it out of him.
I’ve seen him when he’s right and it just bothers me that we can’t develope talent like his.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Branch to Detroit in a packaged deal that flips our 3-5 spots, Detroit needs secondary help worse than us and a LT, Fisher would great bait… yeah I know bad analogy/pun.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Not saying I’m right about McClain it’s just my personal feelings. Saban is not wrong we’re just not great at developing talent.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Al could have avoided Bush becoming a FA, but put a low-level one year tender on him instead of locking him up long-term, which ultimately pissed off Bush.
Remember, he held out of camp for like two weeks in 2011?
February 18th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:13 pm
We didn’t get rid of Bush, he was a FA and we offered him a very similiar contract as the Bears, and he chose to leave town.
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That’s a lie, we didn’t offer him squat the GM said so.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
He even applied to the league to get his 2007 IR year to count towards FA so he could get out of town before the 2011 season started.
He couldn’t wait to leave.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:19 pm
Plus damn near everyone in here said he was expendable………..period
February 18th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
But hey what do I know, you guys pretty much want the entire team gone………..lol
Lets trade the team for a hamburger….
February 18th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
He was expandable, Reece and Goodson put up over 1,100 yards from scrimmage this year.
It was McFadden that took the big drop off in production, not the backups.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
This dumb GM gets rid of 2 young talented Olineman and now we need to use draft picks to undo his mess.
Then goes on and says we need to biuld the right way. What thehell is he talking about. “the right way”?
After watching him for a year, i doubt he knows which way is up. Reggie scares the hell outta me.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Lots of talk in Chicago papers about wanting to cut Mike Bush and what a waste of money he was.
Only reason he might be back is the guaranteed money in his contract.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-12-25/sports/ct-spt-1226-bears-mulligan-chicago–20121226_1_michael-bush-brandon-manumaleuna-kellen-davis
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
Lets trade the team for a hamburger….
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Better be an In n Out burger.
3X3 animal style!
February 18th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
We already had Reece we didn’t to dump Bush I’d like to put Reece at TE and have Bush bustin’ heads.
Reggie doesn’t know how to biuld a team he’s a blowhard wannabe.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
I don’t get why it is all about perceived “Talent” and “upside” with you, not actual production.
Whether it is Jamarcus, or DVD or Bruce Campbell or Jacoby Ford or Jarvis Moss or Rolando McClain or DHB and on and on.
Production is the only thing that counts.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
388. I dont think anybody would make those deals with us.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Patriots don’t wait around for “upside”. Neither do the “Ravens”. Think the 49ers will clear out their WR’s to pin their hopes on Jenkins’ “upside”.
You better produce, or they will find someone who will.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:27 pm
This dumb GM gets rid of 2 young talented Olineman and now we need to use draft picks to undo his mess.
Then goes on and says we need to biuld the right way. What thehell is he talking about. “the right way”?
After watching him for a year, i doubt he knows which way is up. Reggie scares the hell outta me.
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You know what he means by “the right way”. He means as opposed to the wrong way…meaning the “Al Davis Way”. That’s what he means.
So far all he’s got is 4-12 and the only GM to post a worse record than what he inherited out of the 7 first time GM’s in the league last season.
Until he does better than the 8-8 he inherited…everything is up for question.
I have hope that Reggie will live up to the hype and we start to turn it around in 2013…but so far…he’s up for scrutiny. He should be.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:33 pm
I don’t get why it is all about perceived “Talent” and “upside” with you, not actual production.
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Fascinating isn’t it?
February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
the only GM to post a worse record than what he inherited out of the 7 first time GM’s in the league last season.
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Not true, Titans GM was a new GM last year.
Went from 9 to 6 wins.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
aye my niggga im not talking about trading ford.. Not at all. However he is not a PR.. he is a KR/WR
I still would like Mathieu on the Raider or Trufant or Poyver
February 18th, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Matt Scott out of Arizona is an intriguing QB prospect
February 18th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Yeah i dont get reg moving power linemen out and bringing in zone guys. Then scrapping it a yr later and debating cutting the zone guys in favor of new power guys.. one yr and 2 total changes of philosophy.. bad sign
February 18th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
2 days till players arrive at combine
4 days till combine actually begins
February 18th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Aldon smith was picked for his upside
February 18th, 2013 at 10:46 pm
2 months till Reggie has a legit draft pick to make. Raiders draft …………………. TBD
February 18th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Every player is picked for their upside, I am talking about players that have been in the leauge for a couple of years and haven’t produced.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
Players that have been in the league a year or two who can ONLY hang their hat on their “upside”.
Nobody is talking about Smith’s upside now, you talk about his production.
February 18th, 2013 at 10:58 pm
Ah.. im thinking draft. Yeah id say tp, deer, wiz, houston and streater are our only players with much if any upside.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:12 pm
When Ford has played, he has been very productive as a KR and flashed big play capabilities in the passing game. He’s making less than $500K.
I still haven’t heard the benefit of dumping him. You’re telling me we have or can get 53 better players than Ford this off-season? And for a better value than what Ford is making?
February 18th, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
the only GM to post a worse record than what he inherited out of the 7 first time GM’s in the league last season.
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Not true, Titans GM was a new GM last year.
Went from 9 to 6 wins.
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Ruston Webster? HE went from the VP of player personnel (I think) for them over to GM. Since he was with the same team already in high level position I didn’t count him as “rookie”.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
I’m looking forward to seeing what Reggie does in the next few months.
This is a big period of time for him and the org.
I expect to see “progression” rather than the opposite.
I don’t think that’s too much to expect.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Palmer, Veldheer, Wiz, Reece, McFadden, Moore, Ford, Streater, DHB, Houston, Bryant, Huff, Wheeler and Seabass are all players other teams would love to have. There are many others who are capable, solid players.
This team is not as dismal as you’re told. That’s the line being pushed by media members who looked dumb when they kept saying/implying that things would be so much better post-Al, and then watched our win total get halved the first year after his passing.
We need much better coaching, a much better pass rush, an improved secondary, a few pieces on the o-line and a reliable move-the-chains receiver. It’s a lot, sure, but that’s to compete for a Super Bowl, not just to be decent. If Reggie and the coaches get their act together we could turn it around fairly quickly.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
I think the Vikings new GM was with them as well and got promoted in 2012.
At any rate, Reggie had alot he was up against in 2012 there’s no doubt.
He had some hits…and some misses.
This yr. I think we see better things.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Actually the media said we would be terrible last yr and they were right. I also predicted no playoffs. Most posters here load up on kool aid. Im already hearing how everybody else in the afc west will have a bad off season and the Raiders will turn it all around. Bla bla bla… i decide for myself based on what i see.
February 18th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Reggie doesnt even have a plan.. im pretty worried
February 19th, 2013 at 12:21 am
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:41 pm
Actually the media said we would be terrible last yr and they were right. I also predicted no playoffs. Most posters here load up on kool aid. Im already hearing how everybody else in the afc west will have a bad off season and the Raiders will turn it all around. Bla bla bla… i decide for myself based on what i see.
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Yea, how stupid of all of us to have any hope about a game.
Like we do this for entertainment or something???
This is REALITY dammitt… and the Raiders are gonna suck next year. Woot woot.
Happy now?
February 19th, 2013 at 12:24 am
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
Reggie doesnt even have a plan.. im pretty worried
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So the people without a gun in their mouths like you are the morons… does this about cover it?
February 19th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
Palmer, Veldheer, Wiz, Reece, McFadden, Moore, Ford, Streater, DHB, Houston, Bryant, Huff, Wheeler and Seabass are all players other teams would love to have. There are many others who are capable, solid players.
This team is not as dismal as you’re told. That’s the line being pushed by media members who looked dumb when they kept saying/implying that things would be so much better post-Al, and then watched our win total get halved the first year after his passing.
We need much better coaching, a much better pass rush, an improved secondary, a few pieces on the o-line and a reliable move-the-chains receiver. It’s a lot, sure, but that’s to compete for a Super Bowl, not just to be decent. If Reggie and the coaches get their act together we could turn it around fairly quickly.
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Well said! Expect to be treated like a pariah here though.
Good luck with any optimism… this is reality.. and the Raiders suck. And always will.. fun huh??
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 am
The way people were tooting Reggie’s horn in here you would’ve thought he was giving away free money. People were predicting playoffs and an immediate turnaround and when it didn’t happen right away they started to scapegoat Al Davis. Because their predictions for Utopia came up short. Then it was we didn’t have any talent.
Before the season every player Reggie brought in was twice as good as any player Al Davis could hope to dream of getting. They were drunk on Reggie juice and then reality hit and Al Davis was the one who ruined it for them.
This entire board was singing cumbiya and “In Reggie we trust” and “the Reggime”. Now most of them would like to get a rope and tree and hang him from it.
Don’t come up with this we all knew it would take a while rationale now because NO ONE was saying as much before the season…………period
February 19th, 2013 at 2:03 am
I’m kind of leaning towards Warmack but we really need help in the corners and should probably go for Milliner.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:26 am
Can the Raiders move players to get salary cap?
“Quarterback Carson Palmer
Cap savings by cutting him: $9.34 million
Yes, there are theories floating about that the Raiders should simply cut Carson Palmer, who has a $15.335 million cap number for 2013 and a base salary of $13 million, and go all in on Terrelle Pryor. Sorry, can’t see it happening. Even if it would save the Raiders $9.34 million against the cap. A more realistic option would be the Raiders asking Palmer, who restructured last year, to take a pay cut.
Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey
Cap savings by cutting him: $5.341 million
It appears as even DHB has heard the rumblings that he is a potential cut victim, as he purportedly put in extra work at Alameda in the days following the season to show his dedication. While he may have taken a step back last season in his development, it’s probably too soon to give up on him entirely. Especially with a new offense coming. A contract restructure seems more viable.
Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly
Cap savings by cutting him: $4.775 million
He seems the most likely cut candidate as he is due base salaries of $6.5 million in 2013 and $7 million in 2014, but Tommy Kelly, who acts as his own agent, would still count as more than $6.324 million as dead money in ‘13 as a straight cut. Maybe the Raiders re-structure Kelly, or cut him and re-sign him on the cheap. Unless, of course, they are ready to move on, which would mean the Raiders enter 2013 sans both of their DT starters from 2012.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain
Cap savings by cutting him: None. Raiders would actually take a cap hit
True, the Raiders would have to add $585,000 to Rolando McClain’s cap number, making it $7.26 million in dead money towards him in 2013, but it might be the best money ever “spent,” at least for the good of the future of the franchise. Besides, he’d make “real money” in the form of base salaries totaling $12.475 million through 2015.
Right guard Mike Brisiel
Cap savings by cutting him: $2.82 million
Mike Brisiel played the last part of the year on an injured ankle that required major surgery at the conclusion of the season. He was signed to help the offensive line’s transition to the zone-blocking scheme. But with the ZBS likely out, Brisiel becomes expendable, especially with top draft pick Tony Bergstrom and undrafted free agent Lucas Nix ready to jump in…at a significantly reduced rate.
Defensive end Dave Tollefson
Cap savings by cutting him: $1.6 million
He brought a championship pedigree with two Super Bowl rings but only had 1/2 a sack. He’s a good locker room guy, no doubt, and less than $2 million in savings seems trivial. But the Raiders are essentially looking for space wherever they can find it. Maybe they cut him and then re-sign him for the minimum?
Linebacker Travis Goethel
Cap savings by cutting him: $575,000
O.K., now we’re simply looking under the couch cushions for spare change. But every little but helps, right? Travis Goethel was not drafted by this current regime and has shown to be injury prone. Then again, he does play well on special teams…when he’s not asked to be the emergency long-snapper.
Right tackle Willie Smith
Cap savings by cutting him: $550,000
Same couch cushion analogy as Travis Goethel, but Willie Smith, while he gave his best effort in the absence of Khalif Barnes, gave little in terms of results. Plus, he’s a zone-blocking guy and the ZBS is apparently on the way out.”
-CSN BAY AREA
February 19th, 2013 at 4:41 am
Priesttj12 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 am
The way people were tooting Reggie’s horn in here you would’ve thought he was giving away free money. People were predicting playoffs and an immediate turnaround and when it didn’t happen right away they started to scapegoat Al Davis. Because their predictions for Utopia came up short. Then it was we didn’t have any talent.
Before the season every player Reggie brought in was twice as good as any player Al Davis could hope to dream of getting. They were drunk on Reggie juice and then reality hit and Al Davis was the one who ruined it for them.
This entire board was singing cumbiya and “In Reggie we trust” and “the Reggime”. Now most of them would like to get a rope and tree and hang him from it.
Don’t come up with this we all knew it would take a while rationale now because NO ONE was saying as much before the season…………period
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Pretty much.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:52 am
“You need big, strong ATHLETES who can not only play the run and rush the passer, but who can chase down all these quarterbacks,” Phil Savage
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Man what’s wrong with this former GM? Doesn’t he know only crazy Al Davis was the only one targeting athletes? Give me some more Bergstroms, Criners, Bartell’s…This is the New Era of Excellence.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:54 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
If the Raiders have the number 1 pick next year.. which You WANT!! what would u guys like
A. Draft Clowney
B. Draft Johnny Manziel or Teddy Bridgewater
or
C. TRADE out of the number 1 pick and collect MEGA upon MEGA PICKS
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Prefer B to A, but would be happy with either. C isn’t an option. We would need a stud and a guy to build around with that pick. But most importantly, if we end up with the #1 pick, then Denise & Chubby Checker better not fugging be here.
Scott Mcloughan better run the draft that day.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:27 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
So there’s basically no downside in keeping Ford a Raider.
This one’s a no-brainer.
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No brainers aren’t no brainers around here.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Not gonna lie I’m scared to get rid of McClain right now it’s just gut reaction. But I think someone is going to get a kid who’s a player for cheap because we didn’t get it out of him.
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Yep. The disfunctional Al Davis led Raiders failed to develop another one.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:41 am
Man I thought reading this blog would put me to sleep. Dang…
February 19th, 2013 at 5:41 am
Gdog Says:
Yea, how stupid of all of us to have any hope about a game.
Like we do this for entertainment or something???
This is REALITY dammitt… and the Raiders are gonna suck next year. Woot woot.
Happy now?
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Right on, Gdog.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:44 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 5:41 am
Gdog Says:
Yea, how stupid of all of us to have any hope about a game.
Like we do this for entertainment or something???
This is REALITY dammitt… and the Raiders are gonna suck next year. Woot woot.
Happy now?
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Right on, Gdog.
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Well said
February 19th, 2013 at 5:44 am
JLofty Says:
Man I thought reading this blog would put me to sleep. Dang…
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Knocked me out before 10:00 last night. That’s why I’m up so early.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:46 am
That and we might get a foot of snow this morning. Keeps me on alert.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:47 am
Team actually sucks outside of McFadden and Palmer, veld and wiz and we went 8-8 two years in a row because we played to mcfaddens strengths , last year played to our weakness , we don’t have the receiving core to throw it up 30-40 times a game, to beat teams in the air play after play
February 19th, 2013 at 5:48 am
So again a lot of things are going to depend on how well we can get Our running game going , or if we can give Palmer some targets to throw to if we primarily become a passing team
February 19th, 2013 at 5:50 am
Snow? that would have me on alert too. It was the coldest weekend of the year down into the 40s and much too cold for me.
Welcome back 81 degree weather today.
good morning nation.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:52 am
Our D is going to be another year away from become above average, doubtful we will get all the playmakers we want this year , that is full time pass rusher , a 3rd down pass rusher , beast run stopper DT , MLB, good CB an good FS
February 19th, 2013 at 5:52 am
Becoming*^
February 19th, 2013 at 5:53 am
I think every one of our starting 22 should be top 5 level talent and the rest top 10 or at worst top half of the league. If their not, cut their underperforming azzes. Seriously, how much could it cost?
That’s how you build a playoff caliber team.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:53 am
Mayok’s latest top by position had Werner as the top DE, yet Jerry doesn’t mention him. He’s got to be a possibility at #3. And word around the league is that Star is maybe the most overrated player in the draft.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:54 am
I b ecstatic if we can get half of those this year , just a full time pass rusher and a good FS would b enough
February 19th, 2013 at 5:54 am
I think every one of our starting 22 should be top 5 level talent and the rest top 10 or at worst top half of the league. If their not, cut their underperforming azzes. Seriously, how much could it cost?
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one gazzillion dollars
February 19th, 2013 at 5:54 am
436.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 5:29 am
Priesttj12 Says:
Not gonna lie I’m scared to get rid of McClain right now it’s just gut reaction. But I think someone is going to get a kid who’s a player for cheap because we didn’t get it out of him.
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Yep. The disfunctional Al Davis led Raiders failed to develop another one.
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Hopefully going forward we can draft players that will see millions of dollars as motivation to actually take their profession seriously, and then we won’t have to worry about things like blaming the coaching staff every time one of them fails to live up to his end of the bargain.
February 19th, 2013 at 5:56 am
But Tarver and DA would be in year 2 of implementing their D plan , hope they can get a few players they can build the D around for long time, I really liked how the D played down the stretch
February 19th, 2013 at 5:57 am
Yeah, snow. Then freezing nights for most of a week. First half of Feb. was shirtsleeves or close to it, so I can’t complain. Calender wise it IS the middle of winter.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:00 am
If you’re a fan you should drink kool-aid every year , no point in being a glass half empty fans, why would you go to games with no optimism ? There is no point
February 19th, 2013 at 6:00 am
maybe winter, but spring training is warming up down in Port Charlotte, David Price throwing some wicked triple digit fastballs in the 40 degree weather. Rays hitters shown no mercy.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:01 am
Purvis where do you live
February 19th, 2013 at 6:04 am
I get the need for optimism as a fan you need that. I also admit I sipped the Reggime koolaid for a while. What was I supposed to do? Give up before seeing if the changes were for the good? Reggie came with a lot of recommendations around the league so it seemed like a good move at the time. Never mind that I was never too keen about letting Hue go like that. Hue needed to be humbled, but offensively he was getting the job done with Al Saunders. Always felt that Reggie and Mark took a big risk firing Hue. Still haven’t been proven otherwise that it was a bad move by them.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:05 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Sorry, but…RIP to Dr Jerry Buss!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:06 am
Raiders should sign a guy to give Pryor competition, let them fight it out for 2nd string this year
February 19th, 2013 at 6:07 am
RIP JERRY BUSS
February 19th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Good Morning Hwnrdr,
I hadn’t heard the news about Buss. RIP
February 19th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:04 am
I get the need for optimism as a fan you need that. I also admit I sipped the Reggime koolaid for a while. What was I supposed to do? Give up before seeing if the changes were for the good? Reggie came with a lot of recommendations around the league so it seemed like a good move at the time. Never mind that I was never too keen about letting Hue go like that. Hue needed to be humbled, but offensively he was getting the job done with Al Saunders. Always felt that Reggie and Mark took a big risk firing Hue. Still haven’t been proven otherwise that it was a bad move by them.
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The only wrong move was brininging in Knapp time , we could have been 8-8 again with PBS
February 19th, 2013 at 6:09 am
Only reason people were excited about new management was because al was not doing good since 03 n he was only getting bad with his decision making as his kept going up
February 19th, 2013 at 6:10 am
Age kept going up**^*
February 19th, 2013 at 6:11 am
Much of it had to do with him not asking for any bodies help , you can’t take on all challenges of running a team as a 70 something year old, he should have gotten some help
February 19th, 2013 at 6:14 am
461.guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Good Morning Hwnrdr,
I hadn’t heard the news about Buss. RIP
Yeah, he passed yesterday!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:14 am
Hindsight is always 20/20 but you are freaking lying straight up if you think we had future with Al D age creeping up into the mid 80s and him running a team all by himself
February 19th, 2013 at 6:16 am
467.mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:14 am
Hindsight is always 20/20 but you are freaking lying straight up if you think we had future with Al D age creeping up into the mid 80s and him running a team all by himself
Agreed!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:16 am
He was still awesome though
February 19th, 2013 at 6:19 am
Raiders will always stay Raiders , because they would start beating up on teams again and rule the NFL landscape and we will have many haters again
February 19th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Nobody is eternal and Mr Davis probably needed to delegate more authority in his later years, especially when his health failed him so much that he couldn’t even visit practices anymore.
But I will always be appreciative and thankful for his many years of obsession with Raider excellence. He ran things as he saw fit and no one was allowed to question it. It may have been misguided and AL was probably behind the times working in the free agency era. But I never begrudged him his authority over the Raiders. I think he earned a lifetime exception kind of like Fidel Castro or the pope or royalty have theirs.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:21 am
AL WILL LIGHT THE FLAME AT THE HOME OPENER IN SEPTEMBER..U HEARD IT HERE 1ST..
February 19th, 2013 at 6:21 am
It won’t be just of the 32 teams, we will always stay that 31 teams and then there’s Raiders
February 19th, 2013 at 6:22 am
I don’t care what position we take. Just take the best player available. We’re not strong enough at any position to not need an All-Pro. This team is at least two drafts away from play-off contention, maybe more.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:24 am
I would love to see winning football in Oakland, but never liked the WCO, checkdown dink and dunk football that Knapp brought. It never fit the strengths of the players that Al selected. This is a downhill, deep strike, vertical offense in its soul and I hope that Olson brings that back. That’s Al Davis football. That’s the Raiders I remember.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:20 am
Nobody is eternal and Mr Davis probably needed to delegate more authority in his later years, especially when his health failed him so much that he couldn’t even visit practices anymore.
But I will always be appreciative and thankful for his many years of obsession with Raider excellence. He ran things as he saw fit and no one was allowed to question it. It may have been misguided and AL was probably behind the times working in the free agency era. But I never begrudged him his authority over the Raiders. I think he earned a lifetime exception kind of like Fidel Castro or the pope or royalty have theirs.
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The desire to win a few more superbowls had the guy in a crazy position , always constantly firing coaches was the main reason for Draft picks and Fa’s not working out, n keeping up with same D while the Offenses evolved and rules were put in to help the Os was 2nd worst thing he did
February 19th, 2013 at 6:25 am
mcfadden20. Says:
Purvis where do you live
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Grass Valley. Sierra foothills, 3,000 foot elev.
Halfway between Tahoe and Sacramento.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:26 am
I believe half if the busts would have worked out if the coaching turnover was minimal
February 19th, 2013 at 6:28 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:25 am
mcfadden20. Says:
Purvis where do you live
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Grass Valley. Sierra foothills, 3,000 foot elev.
Halfway between Tahoe and Sacramento.
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You been living there all your life?
February 19th, 2013 at 6:30 am
The desire to win a few more superbowls had the guy in a crazy position , always constantly firing coaches was the main reason for Draft picks and Fa’s not working out, n keeping up with same D while the Offenses evolved and rules were put in to help the Os was 2nd worst thing he did
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Rules changes were huge and Mr Davis didn’t adapt and it’s a shame that the league was allowed to go too far with them. It just about killed Al Davis philosophy from ever working again. He was slow to react. The game isn’t the same and not nearly as fun as it was before they put skirts on QB’s and told CB’s that there was such a thing as a “defenseless receiver”. Football has been watered down from the great sport it was once.
Give credit to Mr. Davis though for one thing. No one had his drive and intensity to win. May not have worked out, but he wasn’t passively watching from the sidelines with a once a year outburst like his son Mark.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Al Davis, The Pope,and Fidel Castro. There’s a joke in there somewhere.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Dink and dunk works , if you mix in some deep strike , like the Ravens did , you can’t live on primarily doing 1 thing all the times, which knapp did , he sometimes stuck to what worked too much , n some times got away from something that worked too early , you just have to find the right balance between every thing, like Ravens did ,
February 19th, 2013 at 6:32 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: AL WILL LIGHT THE FLAME AT THE HOME OPENER IN SEPTEMBER..U HEARD IT HERE 1ST..
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Do one of those holographic projections ala Tupac.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:34 am
THEY WERE PLAY’N GOLF SOMEWHERE..
February 19th, 2013 at 6:35 am
Give credit to Mr. Davis though for one thing. No one had his drive and intensity to win. May not have worked out, but he wasn’t passively watching from the sidelines with a once a year outburst like his son Mark
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If there was a HOF for owners with the most intensity and desire to win, Al Davis would be the first one in out of all the owners in every sport
February 19th, 2013 at 6:36 am
HITLER WAS ON THE BAG..SOMEONE HAD TO CADDY THIS THING !!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:36 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:32 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: AL WILL LIGHT THE FLAME AT THE HOME OPENER IN SEPTEMBER..U HEARD IT HERE 1ST..
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Do one of those holographic projections ala Tupac.
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Lol
February 19th, 2013 at 6:36 am
I finally seen the Straight Outta LA yesterday…sorry but that is a reason why The Raiders will not return!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:37 am
484.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:34 am
THEY WERE PLAY’N GOLF SOMEWHERE..
…and last but not least…2Pac Shakur N___ rest in peace!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:38 am
We need to find a right slogan for this year , no more code black or put your pants lol
February 19th, 2013 at 6:39 am
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:24 am
I would love to see winning football in Oakland, but never liked the WCO, checkdown dink and dunk football that Knapp brought. It never fit the strengths of the players that Al selected. This is a downhill, deep strike, vertical offense in its soul and I hope that Olson brings that back. That’s Al Davis football. That’s the Raiders I remember.
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I saw shades of Raider football from Baltimore this last year. Flacco was constantly striking deep, and had no fear to launch it at fellas like Boldin and smith. Plus with Rice and Pierce following Leach into the hole…..Downhill power…….
Ravens are my girlfriends team so…. I kinda lived vicariously through them this year. When they won the SB, I was screaming louder than her LOL….. Kinda felt like I won in a way.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:39 am
February 19th, 2013 at 6:40 am
Not sure if anyone saw this or not, but Jared Veldheer is ranked as the 11th best LT in the NFL.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1444308-br-nfl-1000-top-35-left-tackles?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=cnn-sports-bin&hpt=hp_bn15
February 19th, 2013 at 6:42 am
I saw shades of Raider football from Baltimore this last year. Flacco was constantly striking deep, and had no fear to launch it at fellas like Boldin and smith. Plus with Rice and Pierce following Leach into the hole…..Downhill power…….
Ravens are my girlfriends team so…. I kinda lived vicariously through them this year. When they won the SB, I was screaming louder than her LOL….. Kinda felt like I won in a way.
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Maybe cuz they beat the fruity whiners ? Hahahha , but yeah I know what ur talking about it was beautiful to see them on O in the playoffs, loved how T Smith beat Baily deep like over 5 times
February 19th, 2013 at 6:43 am
490.mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:38 am
We need to find a right slogan for this year , no more code black or put your pants lol
There’s a song called WTF? It’s actually a pump you up kinda song!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:44 am
Jones running past every whiner and hauling in that under thrown pass n than getting up and juking 2 fruity whiners was my favorite play in the SB
February 19th, 2013 at 6:44 am
mcfadden20.
Says: You been living there all your life?
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No. Pasadena boy. SoCal. Got into the Raiders(and football in general) late 70’s. Thought it was dam near a travesty that the Raiders would leave Oakland. But since the Coliseum South was half an hour away, barring traffic, I was more than OK with it. Went to close to every game ’till I moved here in ‘91.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:45 am
I saw shades of Raider football from Baltimore this last year. Flacco was constantly striking deep, and had no fear to launch it at fellas like Boldin and smith. Plus with Rice and Pierce following Leach into the hole…..Downhill power…….
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I was rooting for the Baltimore Ravens right there with you Ghost79. Moreso because I can’t stomach any fairywhiner fan talking trash.
Flacco played out of his mind in the postseason. The deep strikes all worked, but they were reckless and thrown in spots that could have easily been intercepted. No guts and no glory. Take shots and even if it means risk. It’s something I want out of my starting QB. It’s why I still support Carson Palmer even when it backfires sometimes. Safe boring QB’s like Alex Smith never win anything.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Boldin a freaking beast, n that’s what you call a #1 WR , DHB and DMoore don’t even come near him with both of their skills combined lol
February 19th, 2013 at 6:47 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:44 am
mcfadden20.
Says: You been living there all your life?
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No. Pasadena boy. SoCal. Got into the Raiders(and football in general) late 70’s. Thought it was dam near a travesty that the Raiders would leave Oakland. But since the Coliseum South was half an hour away, barring traffic, I was more than OK with it. Went to close to every game ’till I moved here in ‘91.-
How did you end up from sunny weather to snow half the year ? Lol
February 19th, 2013 at 6:48 am
mcfadden20. Says:
We need to find a right slogan for this year , no more code black or put your pants lol
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Big Banana and I stumbled into one a couple weeks ago. Can’t remember what it was, but remember liking it. I’ll have to ask Banana.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:49 am
Yeah if the fruity whiners had won the SB, us bay areas guys could have been blinded by those gawdawful unis everywhere
February 19th, 2013 at 6:49 am
And if Terrelle Pryor is the starting QB and takes his shots deep even if it means pick 6’s, I won’t be mad at him. Turn it loose. Go over top again and again. Loosen up the defense, make them creep backward off the line. That’s Riader football. If Pryor can do that, I’ll support him too. Just don’t want a training wheels like offense that JR had. Don’t want OTJ training for Pryor. He’s ready or he’s not.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:51 am
bcz24 Says:
Not sure if anyone saw this or not, but Jared Veldheer is ranked as the 11th best LT in the NFL
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This is what I’m talking about. Not top ten? Cut him!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:51 am
We will eventually be the talk of the Bay Area again, Whiners can stay a playoff team but there’s nothing like the Raiders when they are winning
February 19th, 2013 at 6:52 am
Code fresh
Fire these gold diggers
February 19th, 2013 at 6:53 am
People are saying go zone read option pistol etc etc i say eff that follow Baltimores model , hard nosed running game , n deep strikes all game long , and fearless receivers is all you need to win it all
February 19th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Oh and a strong armed accurate QB
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
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Maybe cuz they beat the fruity whiners ? Hahahha , but yeah I know what ur talking about it was beautiful to see them on O in the playoffs, loved how T Smith beat Baily deep like over 5 times
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That one was particularly sweet, because obviously it was in Denver. I think I flew off the couch like 3 feet when Smith caught the game winner…. and I was was flipping the double bird at the screen and laughing like a Hyena
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
in what round did Baltimore get Pierce in? Dude was like Barry sanders against high school kids out there
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
guest123 Says:
Take shots and even if it means risk. It’s something I want out of my starting QB. It’s why I still support Carson Palmer even when it backfires sometimes. Safe boring QB’s like Alex Smith never win anything
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That’s why I liked Kerry Collins.Pretty much knew we weren’t going too far, but we were fun to watch. Not how I feel now. I really have optimism.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:56 am
Where we gonna get a wr to throw deep to all day?
February 19th, 2013 at 6:58 am
I agree with you Guest, about having the balls to go deep. Yeah, I liked that about Palmer too. We’d WAITED so long for the Deep ball to return to this team…. Then that San Diego game 2 years ago, we see Palmer launch like a cannon, and DMO17 came up with the finger tip stumble catch and I was like
“YEEEEAAAAAUUUUHHHH…….THERE IT IS BABY….THAT’S WHAT WE’RE LOOKIN FOR.”
February 19th, 2013 at 6:58 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
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Maybe cuz they beat the fruity whiners ? Hahahha , but yeah I know what ur talking about it was beautiful to see them on O in the playoffs, loved how T Smith beat Baily deep like over 5 times
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That one was particularly sweet, because obviously it was in Denver. I think I flew off the couch like 3 feet when Smith caught the game winner…. and I was was flipping the double bird at the screen and laughing like a Hyena
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You mean the game tying TD? I think it was Jones or some other guy, but man I was sweating before that play, every Raider fan would have hated to see Den 1 game away from the SB, but instead we laughed at their 20 M investment who cost them the game with that stupid turnover in OT lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:01 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
guest123 Says:
Take shots and even if it means risk. It’s something I want out of my starting QB. It’s why I still support Carson Palmer even when it backfires sometimes. Safe boring QB’s like Alex Smith never win anything
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That’s why I liked Kerry Collins.Pretty much knew we weren’t going too far, but we were fun to watch. Not how I feel now. I really have optimism.
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The first hook up between Collins and Moss had me seeing great things in Raiders season that year ,only to later find out that Moss is wussy who clocks out at the first sign of trouble
February 19th, 2013 at 7:02 am
Rip dr. Buss started with a 1000 dollars and finished with 10 Championships. Amazing guy
February 19th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Then that San Diego game 2 years ago, we see Palmer launch like a cannon, and DMO17 came up with the finger tip stumble catch and I was like
“YEEEEAAAAAUUUUHHHH…….THERE IT IS BABY….THAT’S WHAT WE’RE LOOKIN FOR.”
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:High five:
that Thursday Night football game was fun to watch. and we still didn’t have McFadden playing alongside Palmer. if Palmer gets that kind of deep strike authority from Olson and McFadden is in there working his downhill gap runs, the season should be full of games similar to that one night. Every Sunday should be like that. Put CB’s on islands and chuck it over them, daring them to stack the box against McFadden. Time to pick the poison.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:04 am
That’s right, alot of the details are jumbled together in my head. I knew they needed a TD to stay alive, and it was less than a minute left I believe when Smith made that fantastic catch.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I’m of belief that Streater would turn out to be best decision Reggie made last year, the guy has the size and the work ethic and couple of his catches were just a thing of beauty , the dude could flat out jump up and snag the football over everyone
February 19th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:04 am
That’s right, alot of the details are jumbled together in my head. I knew they needed a TD to stay alive, and it was less than a minute left I believe when Smith made that fantastic catch.
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You got the receiver wrong again lol but that was just awesome , I cheered like I would cheer for the Raiders TD lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Why arent we cutting ppl yet?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Streater looks ok. We’ll see. So did jerry porter..
February 19th, 2013 at 7:12 am
DMoore Nd the receiving group is fine as long as the running game is working an we living off of play action , which allows them to be successful at their only good thing, but just to be a primary passing team we would have to get a #1 for sure if running
Game is stuck in mud again , I believe the line would pass block well with Spranos coaching them up , BTw huge kudos to DA for getting one of the best OL coach in the biz but can the receivers constantly get open when the other teams know what’s coming at them ?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Jerry porter had attitude problems, Streater is a good kid if he keeps working hard he would be our #1 in no time
February 19th, 2013 at 7:16 am
The WR’s as a group are just an avg group. They lack a true #1 that shifts the focus of the secondary. If we had one, that shift would make an average WR in single coverage look like a stud all of a sudden. We need as a priority a #1 WR in free agency. It will have a huge effect on the rest of the group.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:16 am
I’m glad the combine is near , would give us fans some new things to talk about
February 19th, 2013 at 7:17 am
mcfadden20.
Says: How did you end up from sunny weather to snow half the year ? Lol
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Actually pretty temperate here. Aalmost never over 90 summers, and some winters are snowless. Only seen two plus feet of snow 3 or 4 times in 20 years, although the February before I moved here, 4 feet accumulated and shut the place down. Started on the 19th, interestingly enough. Always get a couple night time freezing snaps when I gotta screw with all the waterers and crap. More rain than I care for, but that’s why it’s so pretty. Growing up in Pasadena, I didn’t know what seasons were.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:17 am
Yup! We were sorely missing a true #1 for years now!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:16 am
The WR’s as a group are just an avg group. They lack a true #1 that shifts the focus of the secondary. If we had one, that shift would make an average WR in single coverage look like a stud all of a sudden. We need as a priority a #1 WR in free agency. It will have a huge effect on the rest of the group.
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Not sure if we can obtain services of receivers like D Bowe yet, salary cap isn’t as bad as last year but I still think we are a year away from giving any one a mega contract like the one M Williams got from bills last year , any top guy at any position is going to demand huge money , think we can compete with the teams like TB and others which have Over 20 M cap space
February 19th, 2013 at 7:22 am
I don’t think **
February 19th, 2013 at 7:23 am
mcfadden20.
Says: in what round did Baltimore get Pierce in? Dude was like Barry sanders against high school kids out there
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Blair High School in Pasadena won CIF one year. Had a running back that wound up on the Eagles. McCallister, I think. Maybe James. It was freaking hilarious. Give him the ball, Touchdown. Give him the ball again, Touchdown. Wasn’t fair.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:24 am
theghostronin79 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
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Maybe cuz they beat the fruity whiners ? Hahahha , but yeah I know what ur talking about it was beautiful to see them on O in the playoffs, loved how T Smith beat Baily deep like over 5 times
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That one was particularly sweet, because obviously it was in Denver. I think I flew off the couch like 3 feet when Smith caught the game winner…. and I was was flipping the double bird at the screen and laughing like a Hyena
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Ha. OMG. That is hilarious cuz I did almost the exact same thing. The pointing at the screen and going ‘hahahahahaha f u moonface ..hahahahahaha’..and flipping off the screen when they show closeup of Manning’s disgruntled face etc.
I used to look actually like the guy too…until he chose Denver.
It’s nice to know i’m not the only psycho out there.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:24 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:17 am
mcfadden20.
Says: How did you end up from sunny weather to snow half the year ? Lol
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Actually pretty temperate here. Aalmost never over 90 summers, and some winters are snowless. Only seen two plus feet of snow 3 or 4 times in 20 years, although the February before I moved here, 4 feet accumulated and shut the place down. Started on the 19th, interestingly enough. Always get a couple night time freezing snaps when I gotta screw with all the waterers and crap. More rain than I care for, but that’s why it’s so pretty. Growing up in Pasadena, I didn’t know what seasons were.
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Oh that’s not bad at all , I kinda wanted to move to Oregon because of all the greenery and rain, it’s beautiful to look at tall trees and hills with grass compared to dried out hills in summer lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:25 am
I agree. We need a great wr.. streater looks ok but he has miles to go. But our chances of landing a #1 wr in fa this yr are slim. We need to make some deep cuts to scrape up some fa money.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:27 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:23 am
mcfadden20.
Says: in what round did Baltimore get Pierce in? Dude was like Barry sanders against high school kids out there
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Blair High School in Pasadena won CIF one year. Had a running back that wound up on the Eagles. McCallister, I think. Maybe James. It was freaking hilarious. Give him the ball, Touchdown. Give him the ball again, Touchdown. Wasn’t fair.
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Lmfao kinda like the tecmo game with Bo Jackson
February 19th, 2013 at 7:30 am
:High five:
that Thursday Night football game was fun to watch. and we still didn’t have McFadden playing alongside Palmer. if Palmer gets that kind of deep strike authority from Olson and McFadden is in there working his downhill gap runs, the season should be full of games similar to that one night. Every Sunday should be like that. Put CB’s on islands and chuck it over them, daring them to stack the box against McFadden. Time to pick the poison.
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(Rubbing my hands together feverishly)
I think that’s why this last year was so deflating. We saw glimpses of what we COULD be, and were expecting to build upon THAT kind of identity developing.
We drove straight past Disneyland and parked at the “Worlds biggest ball of Yarn” museum……What is this a fu*kin JOKE?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:30 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:24 am
theghostronin79 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 am
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Maybe cuz they beat the fruity whiners ? Hahahha , but yeah I know what ur talking about it was beautiful to see them on O in the playoffs, loved how T Smith beat Baily deep like over 5 times
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That one was particularly sweet, because obviously it was in Denver. I think I flew off the couch like 3 feet when Smith caught the game winner…. and I was was flipping the double bird at the screen and laughing like a Hyena
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Ha. OMG. That is hilarious cuz I did almost the exact same thing. The pointing at the screen and going ‘hahahahahaha f u moonface ..hahahahahaha’..and flipping off the screen when they show closeup of Manning’s disgruntled face etc.
I used to look actually like the guy too…until he chose Denver.
It’s nice to know i’m not the only psycho out there.
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I’m not that kinda pyscho but I did sumthinh similar when flacco connected for the tying touchdown and when they kicked the GW in OT lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:33 am
The whiners had me a little worried when they were driving up the field for potential GW TD but justice was served on that holding call , the whiners got away with holding on Atlantas drive in the game before so Harbaugh had no reason to cry over that call
February 19th, 2013 at 7:34 am
Baltimore served a nice role as my enforcer this year. They took care of Denver, NE, and SF in order…the trifecta.
My drummer friend HATES NE and after that game he was texting me stuff like ’suk it Belicheat’ and even ripping on Robert Kraft the owner saying ‘go eat some more mayonaisse Kraft’ and ‘go have a plate of Kraft Mac and Di.k’ etc. Funny stuff.
I’d like to thank Baltimore for taking of things for me.
They haven’t won enough for me to really hate them yet.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:35 am
This blog is addicting , I don’t even sleep sometimes cuz if this lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:37 am
D Bowe is highly overrated and will cost the most this offseason to get. I never liked him because of his attitude that reminds of Randy Moss, play when I want to.
The WR we could go out and get for a mid tier contract is Greg Jennings. At his age (29)and injury history, he’s still the best free agent WR out there. And I realize Amendola and Wallace and Harvin. I’d rather have me some Greg Jennings. Still a ballar. He could be had for around $7-$8 million a year on a 3 year deal. We can make the necessary cuts and get this guy so that Carson can take shots downfield and not feel like it’s a hail mary every time.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:37 am
Oh yeah Den, NE and SF Bowing down to their knees to Ravens was awesome sight lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:37 am
D Bowe is highly overrated and will cost the most this offseason to get. I never liked him because of his attitude that reminds of Randy Moss, play when I want to.
The WR we could go out and get for a mid tier contract is Greg Jennings. At his age (29)and injury history, he’s still the best free agent WR out there. And I realize Amendola and Wallace and Harvin. I’d rather have me some Greg Jennings. Still a ballar. He could be had for around $7-$8 million a year on a 3 year deal. We can make the necessary cuts and get this guy so that Carson can take shots downfield and not feel like it’s a hail mary every time.
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Some one will over pay for him as well , n we’re not at the position to get in bidding war with other teams just yet
February 19th, 2013 at 7:39 am
yeah combine then what? 2-3 weeks till free agency? can’t wait. if im not mistaken the start of free agency is the new league year which means trades can happen too. if reggie has any plans in motion we wont hear about the bulk until then
February 19th, 2013 at 7:39 am
We drove straight past Disneyland and parked at the “Worlds biggest ball of Yarn” museum……What is this a fu*kin JOKE?
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I felt the same letdown. The coaching staff that Reggie allowed DA to put together really stepped on themselves early in the season and never really got up off the mat. Mistakes will be made, but I was disappointed it took the Raiders an entire wasted season to finally wake up and see the light!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Unless Reg has some secret pics of him in GB locker room from their time together lol
February 19th, 2013 at 7:42 am
They took care of the #1, 2 #2’s…and of course, the #5 in Indy!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:42 am
But that’s how you do it! Take care of the top teams en route to a SB victory!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:43 am
I doubt Greg Jennings is as valuable as most think he is. He has that old spice commercial exposure, but GM’s around the league will question themselves on an older vet WR with recent injuries. There’s even mumbles that Aaron Rodgers is what kept Jennings value up and not vice versa. It won’t require a bidding war. Just Reggie’s Packer connections and a fair decent offer.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:43 am
Code Fresh
February 19th, 2013 at 7:45 am
Btw if you play with Cassell and Brady Quinn all your life you would throw tantrums too, I don’t think he’s really a Diva, never even heard him say he wants out of KC or anything like that
February 19th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Code fresh sounds much better
February 19th, 2013 at 7:47 am
guest123 Says:
We can make the necessary cuts and get this guy so that Carson can take shots downfield and not feel like it’s a hail mary every time.
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That’s funny.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:47 am
Well I better get my 8 hours of sleep , take care nation
February 19th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Ive been hearing jennings will get a mega deal. I dont think we can afford him.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:51 am
Ive been hearing jennings will get a mega deal. I dont think we can afford him.
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really? I’ve been hearing more like 3 years/22 mill range. Remember the WR who broke the bank last year was VJAX who got 5 years/55 mill. Jennings will get less time because he’s older and obviously much less money. VJAX >>> Jennings.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:52 am
Sf has more cash and a need at wr.. heck any good team can make a fair offer and get jennings over us. any mediocre or bad team that wants Jennings will have to pay out the àss.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Sf has more cash and a need at wr.. heck any good team can make a fair offer and get jennings over us. any mediocre or bad team that wants Jennings will have to pay out the àss.
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Yeah, I realize that. Here’s where I am hoping that Reggie’s packer connection can turn that one in our favor.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Id say his value has more to do with the lack of other #1 wr fa’s and draft prospects.. wr is pretty important and bowe might get tagged or resigned. So jennings could get a nice deal.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:57 am
guest123 Says:
I felt the same letdown. The coaching staff that Reggie allowed DA to put together really stepped on themselves early in the season and never really got up off the mat. Mistakes will be made, but I was disappointed it took the Raiders an entire wasted season to finally wake up and see the light!
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Maybe the tank for the draft guys are right and Reggie told Mark to forget this year but pretend to get impatient and then got together with DA to pick an OC that would assure us of a high draft pick.
Or DA is clueless and actually believed in Knapp and Reggie said to himself,”perfect”.
Although, judging by the bulk of Knapps play calling, maybe he was in on it. Left Palmer in that Denver debacle hoping he’d get knocked out for the season and then we’re #1, baby. In the draft.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:00 am
No offense to any of you or the homosexual community, but’Code Fresh’ sounds a little gay to me.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:00 am
I hear Miami is ready to break the bank for Bowe. I dont think Jennings would be cheap. Just cheaper. If it’s something Reggie wants to do, he could do it. But with the cap situation, I agree it may be a longshot.
Still I believe if there is one guy who could add 2 wins to the win column in one year, it’s the addition of a solid #1 wideout. Would make the biggest bang for the buck. imo.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:01 am
Krapp should have been fired the second da said his name aloud to reggie.. Fired!
February 19th, 2013 at 8:02 am
yeah, code fresh does sound gay. do i hear a lisp?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:04 am
Maybe the tank for the draft guys are right and Reggie told Mark to forget this year but pretend to get impatient and then got together with DA to pick an OC that would assure us of a high draft pick.
Or DA is clueless and actually believed in Knapp and Reggie said to himself,”perfect”.
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The guy that looks clueless most times is Mark. The other guys are collecting paychecks on the gravy train while it lasts.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Code sunshine lolipops & rainbows
February 19th, 2013 at 8:07 am
It ain’t right to watch Raider games on Sunday and have my kids look at me with empathy/pity. “dad, why you root for the Raiders? They always lose. dad, do they ever win?”
I got no answer. ain’t right.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Tell em ten and then kids.. your grandkids will love their raiders.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:11 am
It wouldn’t be all that hard to get a top WR in here, after this season most of our horrible contracts will be off the books, and in the next 2-3 years we should be completely out of cap hell. Reggie could sign a top WR to a decent deal that is backloaded, or has a modest signing bonus to move the cap hit out a bit.
You can’t do this with EVERY guy, but if there is 1 position that could really improve the offense WR is definitely it. Say you give Jennings 3 years 21 mil, you give him 1 mill salary and a 7 million bonus, he is still putting 8 mill in his pocket this year but his cap hit will only be 3.3 million. You just can’t do an absurd 20 million signing bonus like Al did with some of these guys that you can’t get our from under down the road.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:18 am
You can’t do this with EVERY guy, but if there is 1 position that could really improve the offense WR is definitely it. Say you give Jennings 3 years 21 mil, you give him 1 mill salary and a 7 million bonus, he is still putting 8 mill in his pocket this year but his cap hit will only be 3.3 million. You just can’t do an absurd 20 million signing bonus like Al did with some of these guys that you can’t get our from under down the road.
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Agreed. Reggie will need to know if Jennings is even interested in becoming a Raider. Because if he’s not, he would have to overpay like Al did. But the packer connection and ties may be enough for Jennings to give us a shot at a fair market deal. He may even be willing to leave some money on the table if he understands Reggie’s committment to the deep strike offense and whether or not CP3 stays.
But if there is one position, just one free agent signing that could propel this team forward it’s the #1 wideout. We sorely need one to compete.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:21 am
this is Jennings only shot to be a free agent splash. contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL so I’m sure he wants a nice fat signing bonus.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Tell em ten and then kids.. your grandkids will love their raiders.
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The politicians who talk about the Nat’l debt should use this phrase to explain their plan.
Read my lips: “Ten and Then”
February 19th, 2013 at 8:23 am
At Jennings age and injury history, I’m sure there is a difference between what Jennings wants and what he’ll settle for. He still should be well compensated, just not how he would have been had he hit free agency at age 27 and injury free.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:24 am
So many needs
February 19th, 2013 at 8:26 am
this is Jennings only shot to be a free agent splash. contracts are not guaranteed in the NFL so I’m sure he wants a nice fat signing bonus.
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Signing bonuses are tools used by the team to spread out cap charges. Players don’t care if it is a roster bonus, signing bonus or salary.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:26 am
agree about the so many needs. have to start somewhere. make a splash in free agency and build on it. no superbowl predictions so pressure is off. just build this a brick at a time. not in a day.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:29 am
I would say the only position group on the field other than WR that is a more desperate need is CB, and the FA market for CB’s was last year.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Cant make an omelette without breaking some eggs. If we want some free agents we gotta cut some of this crap. Plus fa’s get a choice.. how often do 4& 11 teams sign the big name free agent? we will have to overpay.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:32 am
I would say the only position group on the field other than WR that is a more desperate need is CB, and the FA market for CB’s was last year.
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Sign Jennings and draft Dee. Problem solved!
February 19th, 2013 at 8:33 am
You will be the same guy in September saying Reggie should be fired because he didn’t sign any of the big FA’s
February 19th, 2013 at 8:34 am
does floyd get doubled? what about moore? but guess who does, star.
draft star
resign bryant and wheeler
try hard to trade palmer (cards, jags, titans, chiefs)
cut kelly, briesel, dhb, huff, mcclain
don’t spend big on any free agent (they get you over the top, we’re far from that)
build through the draft
February 19th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Sign Jennings and draft Dee. Problem solved!
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Not quite solved. But a good start.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Id say de. We just couldnt generate a passrush..
February 19th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Why trade Palmer?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Overpaying to keep players in Oakland was Al’s way. Reggie’s going to let free agency come to him. He won’t force it. He needs to network and see who wants to be a Raider. Al obsessed over a player he liked and got his man whether they wanted to be Raiders or not. Reggie has to work his connections and sell his philosophy and vision to free agents. It can’t be about the dollar signs because we’ll lose out every time.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Even if you are 100% certain that Palmer won’t lead us to a ’ship, and is only a stopgap, why make QB a position of need when there are already so many other holes? Doesn’t make sense.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:38 am
I listened to a nice interview with Wheeler yesterday. Said the right things. He isn’t interested in being a free agent. He wants to stay a Raider. I know that means nothing at the end of the day if the right team comes knocking, but he wouldn’t say that if he didn’t think he would come back.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:40 am
581. Thats how i see it.. we arent close enough to pay any big $$. Lets start over thru the draft. Wait for our window. We dont stack up well in the west or the afc playoff picture in general.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 am
right we shouldn’t and we won’t overpay so don’t look for Jennings..
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 am
586. I agree 100%
Look at players like commodities that are interchangeable. Palmer fits a round hole with a round peg for his position. Problem is we have too many square pegs to win a ’ship anytime soon. We need to gather up as many round pegs as we can and when it’s time to get a replacement round peg for Carson Palmer, and replace with a like round peg, I’m all for seeing CP3 off to retirement. Till then, in this short window player lifespan of free agency, like our new OC Olson was saying we need to work to the players strengths we have, because the window for keeping them is limited anyway.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:43 am
bcz24 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:36 am
Even if you are 100% certain that Palmer won’t lead us to a ’ship, and is only a stopgap, why make QB a position of need when there are already so many other holes? Doesn’t make sense.
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he costs a schitload of $ and we’re gna suck next year, no way around it, too many holes to fill. We’re building for 2014 at the earliest we could use the money we’d save on cp to fill other needs and how good will cp be in 2014?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:45 am
From Levi, SandBPride.
This leaves us with Desmond Bryant and Philip Wheeler. Both players are valuable to the Raiders and would be sought on the free agent market. They are both the top available free agent at their position according to Pro Football Focus’ free agent rankings.
Bryant, however, grades much higher than Wheeler among free agents. He also came on strong late last season when Richard Seymour went down due to injury. And equally if not more important is the tag numbers for each. Wheeler’s linebacker franchise tag number sits at $9.455 million while Bryant’s tag number is $8.306 million – that would make it more than a million dollars cheaper to keep Bryant than Wheeler.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:46 am
If you trade Palmer, you aren’t getting out from under the $6 million Cap acceleration. We have enough dead money on our cap, at least Palmer is playing for his cap charge.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:46 am
vet free agents wanna win and/or get paid, we shouldn’t pay big $ for anyone
young free agents wanna get paid, we shoudln’t pay big for anyone
build through the draft, cp’s contract holds us back. we’re rebuilding. gotta get real bad before we get good
February 19th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Marks hair Says:
Code sunshine lolipops & rainbows
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Code kittens.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Jus woke up had a horrible dream
February 19th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Neither Wheeler nor Bryant played well enough to warrant a franchise tag.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Sorry, but I disagree with all the tank it in ‘13 folks theorizing it will get worse and then really better. There is no guarantee that it will get better. Things don’t just work themselves out. It takes a lot of work. For the Raiders to sit out ‘13 from being competitive and especially with the easy schedule really hamstrings them from attracting good free agents and coaches who will eventually replace our turnover. Losing doesn’t have a silver lining. Especially for a franchise that is a decade and counting (TEN AND THEN) on its last playoff success.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:52 am
i think cp is an above average nfl qb. i became more optimistic about tp after the chargers game but no way will that translate to him being a good nfl qb (see matt flynn in mop up duty for green bay, who was much more impressive). i just think anyone grossly overpaid has to go. we need marginal free agents such as carter, gaither, hanson etc to fill the gaps until wew rebuild in my opinion
February 19th, 2013 at 8:52 am
guest123 Says:
He may even be willing to leave some money on the table if he understands Reggie’s committment to the deep strike offense and whether or not CP3 stays.
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Not to fire up the debate, but I would think CP3 would definitely be in the plus column for a WR weighing his options.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:53 am
The only guy that warrants the franchise tag on the Raiders this year is Shane, and his salary would be about twice the top 5 salary. I think his time is done in Oakland. Need to start slicing somewhere.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:55 am
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Sorry, but I disagree with all the tank it in ‘13 folks theorizing it will get worse and then really better. There is no guarantee that it will get better. Things don’t just work themselves out. It takes a lot of work. For the Raiders to sit out ‘13 from being competitive and especially with the easy schedule really hamstrings them from attracting good free agents and coaches who will eventually replace our turnover. Losing doesn’t have a silver lining. Especially for a franchise that is a decade and counting (TEN AND THEN) on its last playoff success
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i’m not saying tank it, i’m saying we won’t have the talent to win it next year so why get locked into expensive contracts? the hope is to have young and so called marginal vets play above their potential and come together as a team. then in 2014 when we’re out of cap hell and hopefully nipping at the heels of a playoff run we can spend a little to get us there
February 19th, 2013 at 8:56 am
600.
no doubt CP3 would be a huge plus for a FA WR considering where to take his talents. an established vet gunslinger type or a raw young developing run-first QB. Which would you choose?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:57 am
I heard you can die in your dream, is that true?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:58 am
… the hope is to have young and so called marginal vets play above their potential and come together as a team.
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sounds like the Raiders 2012 Season Redux
February 19th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I think good running game alone would give us 3+ more wins, if our D can play somewhat like it did down the stretch or better than that would give us 2 extra wins , so I’m guessing we will likely win 6-9 games this coming season
February 19th, 2013 at 9:03 am
My garage was a disaster. I needed to empty it out and start all over, so I did. Then I said “Oh sh1t, I threw away my car, my table saw , my floor jack and all my tools. Now I really gotta start all over. Maybe I should have acted more judiciously. But Dam, I got a clean garage”
February 19th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Please just say no to top wr’s they wil be grossly overplayed, FA this year kinda sucks , there’s not many players I would expect the Raiders to after , maybe a dE
February 19th, 2013 at 9:09 am
You have to clean at up sumwhere you can’t be afraid like priest from letting go players, the guy has serious affactiuation for every plyet and thinks rvry player will be a star with another rem ? Only a couple guys come back to haunt u , like the randy miss trade
February 19th, 2013 at 9:10 am
sorry to break this news to you this morning. but this is now a passing league. running games don’t add wins to the win column. they complement a good passing game at best. no longer are they prime movers. a top wr is more important to a team than a top rb.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Listen, no one is advocating overspending on anything. I think G123 and I both kind of made it clear that a #1 WR is a definite need for us, AND if we could get one to sign for a reasonable contract, that is cap friendly up front, without a ton of dead money down the road, that we should pull the trigger.
As far as a #1 vet WR goes, it isn’t even his production that I am thinking off, but we need a true WR to mentor our guys. I mean our ‘vet wr’ is DHB. We are hindering ALL of WR’s running it like that.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Code just win baby
February 19th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Did you type that with your nose Mc20? LoL
February 19th, 2013 at 9:19 am
February 19th, 2013 at 8:55 am
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:51 am
Sorry, but I disagree with all the tank it in ‘13 folks theorizing it will get worse and then really better. There is no guarantee that it will get better. Things don’t just work themselves out. It takes a lot of work. For the Raiders to sit out ‘13 from being competitive and especially with the easy schedule really hamstrings them from attracting good free agents and coaches who will eventually replace our turnover. Losing doesn’t have a silver lining. Especially for a franchise that is a decade and counting (TEN AND THEN) on its last playoff success
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i’m not saying tank it, i’m saying we won’t have the talent to win it next year so why get locked into expensive contracts? the hope is to have young and so called marginal vets play above their potential and come together as a team. then in 2014 when we’re out of cap hell and hopefully nipping at the heels of a playoff run we can spend a little to get us there.
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I am still waiting for an example of when something like this has remotely been successful. This isn’t the NBA where you just roll some balls out and let em hoop it up. Football is an excruciatingly complex game, and it needs a mix of veteran players and young guys learning to be successful. Nobody wins with a herd of rookies and young guys… not unless we pull off the mother-load of trades like Dallas got for Walker. I doubt we can get eight premier picks for McF!
Teams win in the NFL by becoming mediocre first with a franchise QB, then slowly add pieces.
If sucking wins championships Detroit would have all kinds of rings.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am
inonewordraider Says:
build through the draft, cp’s contract holds us back. we’re rebuilding. gotta get real bad before we get good
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Kernal of truth or not, I just cannot accept or adopt this mindset. Nor do I want to watch a football team that does.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:26 am
Code win
February 19th, 2013 at 9:27 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:57 am
I heard you can die in your dream, is that true?
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I’ve heard that, but the only way we’d know is by having a dead person tell us that.
I think it’s a myth.
Dreams are fascinating sometimes. Some say they are messages from the spirit world using dreams to get in touch with us through dream “stories” and are ways of telling us to get our act together in a certain area and others say it’s just our subconscious thoughts coming to the fore without the hindrances of rational “wakened’ thought.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:27 am
mcfadden20. Says:
I heard you can die in your dream, is that true?
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Marginally. You’d need some pretty severe pre existing health concerns, weak heart foremost.
If you mean dying for real. I’ve never dreamt that I actually died and ,no, I don’t think if you did you’d die for real. Other than the heart thing.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:28 am
If sucking wins championships Detroit would have all kinds of rings.
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There’s some TRUTH…….
February 19th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Lol Bcz, I was in hurry to make a post lol
February 19th, 2013 at 9:30 am
mcfadden20. Says:
You have to clean at up sumwhere you can’t be afraid like priest from letting go players, the guy has serious affactiuation for every plyet and thinks rvry player will be a star with another rem ? Only a couple guys come back to haunt u , like the randy miss trade
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I don’t think you’re awake yet.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:30 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:20 am
inonewordraider Says:
build through the draft, cp’s contract holds us back. we’re rebuilding. gotta get real bad before we get good
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Kernal of truth or not, I just cannot accept or adopt this mindset. Nor do I want to watch a football team that does.
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Its never worked anyway. They are living in NBA-land or something. Teams don’t lose their way to the SB. They WIN their way. It usually takes 4-6 years of being above average. I bet if you look at the teams that won a SB since the salary cap, most of them averaged around 8 or 9 wins a season for many many years before winning it all.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Oh really than movie inception is bs right
February 19th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Go back and re-read that interview with Olson. He pretty much laid it out how he has to adapt players strengths to schemes and shift on the fly. He’s had to adapt his plan and not the player mold himself to the coordinator.
This is a huge transition from the old days, even a decade ago as Olson puts it. He’s got a shorter window of opportunity to make the mix of rookies, younger vets, aging vets, vets in contract years, tenders, etc. to put it all together and make it all work. And the pieces are all rotating in and out like musical chairs. That is true even of the traditional power teams.
The point is, you can’t line up your ducks in a perfect pattern, have unlimited cap, all your draft picks, all your vets signed in a perfect storm. That’s not a realistic path to playoff success. The only way is to build a team piece by piece and hope you add enough impact players along the way before it all falls apart again in free agency. There are no short cuts to the process. Gotta keep grinding away. Keep getting incrementally better is the only way.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:33 am
So I’m sleep commenting ? Hahah
February 19th, 2013 at 9:34 am
Just win baby
February 19th, 2013 at 9:35 am
Aite I’m going back to my dreams lol later nation
February 19th, 2013 at 9:39 am
You know haw many teams that have tanked a season and then won a SB lately? NONE! ZERO! ZILCH! Pitts, NE, GB, Balt, NYG, NO, Indy have not had a 1 or 2 win season in a long long long time before winning. Certainly not a single one of them have had back to back tanks in over 15 years.
We need to get back to mediocrity (minimum) NOW!
Losing only teaches players how to lose.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:39 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Dreams are fascinating sometimes. Some say they are messages from the spirit world using dreams to get in touch with us through dream “stories” and are ways of telling us to get our act together in a certain area and others say it’s just our subconscious thoughts coming to the fore without the hindrances of rational “wakened’ thought.
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And some say it’s nothing but random neurons firing in your brain with no rhyme or reason. Which would explain a lot of my dreams. Some are hard not to attach significance to,though.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:40 am
show me a good loser and i’ll show you a loser
February 19th, 2013 at 9:42 am
Listen to theses Reggie loveing kool aid drinkers.This idiot comes in here and fires the coach who created the #6 offense in the league.Then hires a coach who has no clue how to coach a team.Then approves a zone blocking offense which we all seen fail already with Mcfaggen.We end up 4-12 and have to shut Mt. Davis as a result of poor product that he created.what the hell is wrong with you people????
February 19th, 2013 at 9:44 am
mcfadden20. Says:
Oh really than movie inception is bs right
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Surprise, surprise.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:48 am
There it is!
Code Get Back to Mediocrity NOW!
February 19th, 2013 at 9:50 am
oakfshow Says:
Listen to theses Reggie loveing kool aid drinkers.This idiot comes in here and fires the coach who created the #6 offense in the league.
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Funny.The phrase ‘This idiot comes in here’ immediately popped into my mind, also.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Code Get Back…to where you once belonged!
February 19th, 2013 at 9:51 am
606.mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I think good running game alone would give us 3+ more wins, if our D can play somewhat like it did down the stretch or better than that would give us 2 extra wins , so I’m guessing we will likely win 6-9 games this coming season
What,no playoffs this year? LOL. Are you starting to get it? Let me hear you say fire Reggie and Denise now please.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:53 am
Get better every day! Everybody on the roster should compete for playing time! No scholarships. No untouchables.
If trading McFadden gives us the opportunity to find 3 or 4 tough football players, not athletes that look like they might learn how to play and learn how to be tough, then do it! McFadden gives us 8 or 9 good games per season.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Or anyone for that matter!
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Funny.The phrase ‘This idiot comes in here’ immediately popped into my mind, also.
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Like times infinity
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Interesting that googling ‘Richard Seymour Contract Voided’ news still has lots of assume’s, obviously’s, likely’s, unofficially official, but not one officially official link.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:57 am
Idiot= Reggie
February 19th, 2013 at 9:58 am
I smell vinegar water and chitlens in here.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:59 am
vinegar water? A douche?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:00 am
I disagree a running game can def win games look at Adrian Peterson and the Vikes he took them to the playoffs how about the whiners they run the ball if we can run the ball it will open up everything for our offense and Palmer
February 19th, 2013 at 10:02 am
oakfshow Says:
I smell vinegar water and chitlens in here.
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hwnrdr Says:
vinegar water? A douche?
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You guys are killing me. I’m doing well enough without getting fed straight lines.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:03 am
623, good post Guest. You HAVE to adapt to your players IMO. That’s what ticked me off so much about Greg ‘we teach what we know’ Knapp.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:03 am
Wasn’t calling you one, Purvis…sorry!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am
Vinegar and water and chittlens = Reggie loveing douche bags.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:05 am
I meant 624
February 19th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Big Banana,
mcfadden20. Says:
We need to find a right slogan for this year , no more code black or put your pants lol
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Big Banana and I stumbled into one a couple weeks ago. Can’t remember what it was, but remember liking it. I’ll have to ask Banana.
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So? Do you remember?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am
472.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:21 am
AL WILL LIGHT THE FLAME AT THE HOME OPENER IN SEPTEMBER..U HEARD IT HERE 1ST..
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And Tupac in week 2.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:10 am
hwnrdr Says:
Wasn’t calling you one, Purvis…sorry!
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I knew that. Somebody else may be clueless, though.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:15 am
G’morning fellas.
’sup Bcz. Where’s the rest of the a.m. crew?
This team has so many needs they could go any number of directions @3 and fill a need. Mayock says Floyd. Fine, DT is needed. Seymour’s gone and TK is probably right behind him.
An edge rusher is their biggest need, IMO. Raiders had 2nd fewest sacks in the league. No coincidence the top 3 teams in fewest sacks are picking 1-2-3. Jax, Oak and KC. So, DE/OLB..the Raiders haven’t had somebody who could turn the corner since they let Wimbley go. I love Houston…great hustle, but he’s not a pure pass rusher. DMoore, Ansah, Mingo…anybody who can plant QB’s.
A lot of people seem to think 3 is too high for Milliner. Not me. CB is a huge hole in this defense. The franchise of Old Man Willie, Hayes and Haynes, C-Wood and Eric Allen and Nnamdi has NADA at CB. Don’t know if he’s another Woodson, but he’s damned good.
Chance Warmack. Three does seem high for a guard, but some people have him rated as the best player on the board, so I wouldn’t have a problem if they took him. Briesel was a disaster and was brought in for the ZBS anyway. Coop has been steady, but can’t play forever. Raiders have needed a big, nasty road grader for years. I was screaming for Iupati couple years ago.
I’d be happy if any of those areas of need were addressed.
The only player I don’t want them going anywhere near is Geno Smith. Nothing against him really. It’s just a reach, IMO. He’s the best of a weak class of QB..but is a marginal 1st rdr according to most. Definitely not top 10. Yes, I know the Raiders have shown interest and scouted a lot of WVU games. But, damn.
I know some people may beg to differ, but I don’t see QB as a need on this team, with so many other holes. Carson is a good vet QB, who could still thrive with some improved play from his supporting cast.
Plus, they have TP6 a recent 3rd rd pick with intriguing potential waiting to show what he has to offer.
If the Palmer led offense struggles to score early in the season, and Pryor gets a chance, and struggles with accuracy or decision making…THEN QB can be considered a position of NEED.
Next years class is supposed to be much stronger anyways.
Just say No, to Geno.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:18 am
Yeah, I’d be disappointed to see us use the franchise tag this offseason.
Not one player should be franchised from a 4 win team.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Purvis, was it…
Put Your Raider
I think it came about when I was asking the blog to wear their Raider gear for SB week and left out the word ‘gear’, then you said something about forgetting where you put your Raider.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am
You know its a bad day in the office when outside is raining and it smells like burnt popcorn in here…
February 19th, 2013 at 10:21 am
The man who will plant QB’s on hold the edge on runs is Werner @3
February 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am
You know its a bad day in the office when outside is raining and it smells like burnt popcorn in here…
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lol
we had an intern in here burn some popcorn in the conference room last yr. stunk up the place so bad we decided to toss the microwave into the dumpster. nobody wanted to attempt to clean it up. noxious smell lasted a week.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am
I agree with the thought process that Justim Smith makes Aldon Smith a lot better.
Star would make this entire line better by taking up multiple blockers and allowing the other guys to work 1 on 1.
Don’t want a 3 tech.
Star or the cat from Missouri.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Just say No, to Geno.
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done. but…there are others who will disagree with you on Geno.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:25 am
Yeah, that is a nasty smell! And it’s coming up top my lunch time….uggghh!!!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:26 am
I’m with you on Werner G123.
We would still need a NT though.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Mayock has Floyd ahead of Star. Scuttlebutt is (thanks for the triple word score Jerry!) that Star is way overrated where he’s being tabbed to go in mocks.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:28 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:24 am
You know its a bad day in the office when outside is raining and it smells like burnt popcorn in here…
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lol
we had an intern in here burn some popcorn in the conference room last yr. stunk up the place so bad we decided to toss the microwave into the dumpster. nobody wanted to attempt to clean it up. noxious smell lasted a week.
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Tells you a little about the crap they put in microwave popcorn. Look up Diacetyl and ‘popcorn lung’
February 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:30 am
We would still need a NT though.
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agreed. but for the amount of plays they are in, and the weight they carry, not a given they give the production you need from a top 5 pick. not saying they aren’t important. but we need a pass rushing DE or playmaking CB before we need a big ugly Star. I think Reggie would agree.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:31 am
Thanks Banana!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am
‘popcorn lung’
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dont think you are supposed to smoke it !!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:32 am
665.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:29 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
WHAAAAATTTTTTUPPP???
February 19th, 2013 at 10:33 am
lol … whats happin Hwnrdr !!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Look up Diacetyl and ‘popcorn lung’
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holy sh!t
I had no idea popcorn could be toxic. I just had half a bag of kettle korn at the Florida St Fair yesterday. I hope that because it was kettle that it didn’t have that ‘diacetyl’ crap.
When I get home, I’m taking my box of microwave popcorn and putting all of it in the donate to the needy families drive. I guess that makes me a bad person.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Oh, nothing much Mike! Another day, another adventure in Bay Area traffic!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:44 am
When I get home, I’m taking my box of microwave popcorn and putting all of it in the donate to the needy families drive. I guess that makes me a bad person.
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Lol!
Yeah, it’s pretty dam amazing what’s in your food these days, that’s why I try to avoid packaged stuff and go organic and non-GMO project verified as much as possible. Cook and flavor your own popcorn the old-fashioned way, etc.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:46 am
NFL dot com has a column on “You remind of…”
Geno Smith = Sam Bradford
Giovani Bernard = LeSean McCoy
Robert Woods = Reggie Wayne
Mike Glennon = Joe Flacco
Le’veon Bell = Steven Jackson
Kenny Vaccaro = Charles Woodseon
Tavon Austin = Percy Harvin
Bjoern Werner = Jared Allen
Manti Te’o = Rolando McClain
Eric Fisher = Joe Staley
Sheldon Richardson = Henry Melton
If you ask me who do I prefer out of the bunch, I’ll tell you Werner all day long!!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Yup, organic is the way to go! That GMO crap, well, I’ll keep my comments to myself!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:47 am
I am still waiting for an example of when something like this has remotely been successful. This isn’t the NBA where you just roll some balls out and let em hoop it up. Football is an excruciatingly complex game, and it needs a mix of veteran players and young guys learning to be successful. Nobody wins with a herd of rookies and young guys… not unless we pull off the mother-load of trades like Dallas got for Walker. I doubt we can get eight premier picks for McF!
Teams win in the NFL by becoming mediocre first with a franchise QB, then slowly add pieces.
If sucking wins championships Detroit would have all kinds of rings.
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point is we have bad contracts, i’ll give you plenty of examples of teams that don’t overpay that are successful:
Patriots
Ravens
Pitt
Green Bay
9ers
and two that got bad before they were good
Packers
9ers
Atlanta
get rid of the way overpaid, spend wisely, build through the draft.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:48 am
I thought I’d throw that in (McClain) for a laugh!!
Kinda need it after what I received in the mail today!!
Y’all know what I’m talking about if you’ve gotten one!!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am
If you ask me who do I prefer out of the bunch, I’ll tell you Werner all day long!!
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Jared Allen 2.0
if he’s available at 3, turn in the card for Werner and don’t look back
February 19th, 2013 at 10:50 am
Manti Te’o = Rolando McClain
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Ouch
February 19th, 2013 at 10:53 am
lol
we had an intern in here burn some popcorn in the conference room last yr. stunk up the place so bad we decided to toss the microwave into the dumpster. nobody wanted to attempt to clean it up. noxious smell lasted a week.
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Raider fan would have had you throw the INTERN in the dumpster.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Raider fan would have had you throw the INTERN in the dumpster.
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A bunch of us were wondering how the intern didn’t get canned. The boss said something like, “oh to be young and stupid again…” laughed it off. But it wasn’t funny for the people who had office spaces around the conference room. That intern transferred a few months later thankfully.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Code BRILLIANT SILVER!!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:00 am
The Big Banana Says:
Purvis, was it…
Put Your Raider
I think it came about when I was asking the blog to wear their Raider gear for SB week and left out the word ‘gear’, then you said something about forgetting where you put your Raider.
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Yeah, that was it. I still like it. Thanx.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am
No, that did sound like a horse.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:01 am
*horse name.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Waddup Nation. Ridiculously long time no holla.
Rack ‘em
February 19th, 2013 at 11:02 am
HiHo Brilliant Silver>
Yes kimosawbi
February 19th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Though my Louisville Cardinals smacked up the Gators to the surprise of many in the bowl game; that Floyd kid was a beast on several instances during that game as they attempted their comeback. In the backfield constantly
February 19th, 2013 at 11:19 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/cosell-running-quarterbacks-great-throwing-pocket-still-best-165937022–nfl.html
“… The ability to throw the ball effectively from the pocket is the most essential characteristic required to be in the discussion of the game’s best quarterbacks. Of course, many factors comprise that, the most important of which is accuracy, or ball location, a more descriptive term that better captures the essence of the attribute. There are many others, among them anticipation, pocket movement, pocket toughness, decision-making, the willingness to pull the trigger in critical situations. These traits have always been identifiable and measurable through extensive film study….”
I love this take from Greg Cosell. Basically like the saying, I can’t define beauty but I recognize it when I see it. In the same way running QB’s don’t shake that label until they can prove themselves as pocket passers.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:21 am
February 19th, 2013 at 11:22 am
The Big Banana Says:
Cook and flavor your own popcorn the old-fashioned way, etc.
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Hot air popper,3 batches, 1 1/2 cubes real butter melted, salt made extra fine in coffee grinder mixed and shaken and left in a paper grocery bag. Last me two days and it’s even better day old. Only change bags occasionally ‘cuz it absorbs only so much butter and subsequent batches keep all the butter on the popcorn.
Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:24 am
point is we have bad contracts, i’ll give you plenty of examples of teams that don’t overpay that are successful:
Patriots
Ravens
Pitt
Green Bay
9ers
and two that got bad before they were good
Packers
9ers
Atlanta
get rid of the way overpaid, spend wisely, build through the draft.
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Atlanta and the niners may still be a few years away from a SB win, and Atlanta’s last bad season was in 2007.
San fran’s last back to back tanks ended in 2005… they slowly climbed up to mediocrity too. That was EIGHT YEARS AGO!
GB’s only had one 4 win or less season in like 25 years… and that was in 2005 too.
My point stands… nobody wins quickly by tanking seasons in the NFL. It just devastates the team too much.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:49 am
If you ask me who do I prefer out of the bunch, I’ll tell you Werner all day long!!
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Jared Allen 2.0
if he’s available at 3, turn in the card for Werner and don’t look back
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
C Long 2.0 if he is lucky.
He wasn’t the best pass rusher on his team. Brandon Jenkins is a better pass rusher than Werner and was ranked higher before his injury.
Pass on Werner who played LDE in college.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am
I guarantee you the Raiders will win between one and 16 games next ??????????????year<<<<<<<<
make your production<<<<<<<<<<
February 19th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Does any one like talking to jokefoshow at all?? The guy is the lamest troll out there
February 19th, 2013 at 11:27 am
O !!
any good words today Mr. Vice Prez ??
February 19th, 2013 at 11:28 am
Willy91137 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:25 am
I guarantee you the Raiders will win between one and 16 games next ??????????????year<<<<<<<<
make your production<<<<<<<<<<
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What kind of drugs are you on? I want some.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:28 am
My point stands… nobody wins quickly by tanking seasons in the NFL. It just devastates the team too much.
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If we get back to 8-8 or above… thats three out of four seasons being competitive. That is something to build off of. Jettisoning our best players to tank another season makes the 8-8 seasons seem like an aberration and could very easily send us spiraling for many many more years to come!
Nobody builds a championship team quickly by tanking seasons in the NFL. I am still waiting for examples…
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Good Morning Mr. ODB.
2 words:
1- bird is the word.
2- Keyboard Monkey.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Where is al the raiders apologist to talk about legendary man to man D, that propelled the Raiders into playoffs against SD in season finale of 11
February 19th, 2013 at 11:30 am
willy91137 Says:
I guarantee you the Raiders will win between one and 16 games next ??????????????year<<<<<<<<
make your production<<<<<<<<<<
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between zero and twenty.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:31 am
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Good Morning Mr. ODB.
2 words:
1- bird is the word.
2- Keyboard Monkey
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6 Words Math Monkey! LOL
February 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:28 am
My point stands… nobody wins quickly by tanking seasons in the NFL. It just devastates the team too much.
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If we get back to 8-8 or above… thats three out of four seasons being competitive. That is something to build off of. Jettisoning our best players to tank another season makes the 8-8 seasons seem like an aberration and could very easily send us spiraling for many many more years to come!
Nobody builds a championship team quickly by tanking seasons in the NFL. I am still waiting for examples…
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once again never said anything about tanking seasons, we’re just far from an elite team talentwise so get rid of bloated contracts is the strategy I’d use and hope our young talent overachieves. then when there are signs of life ala tamba bay, st louis, miami, i’d spend some $ on free agents but wouldn’t do it yet
February 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am
This team still is not that far away talent wise than the 2011 roster. We lost Routt, Bush, and Wimbley and went from 8 wins to 4 wins. Those guys must have been really special to have that kind of impact, right?
wrong.
All 3 of those guys went to teams and all 3 teams regressed from the year prior.
The only conclusion you can draw is that the “talent deprivationists” who are beating their drum that the Raiders just suck are overstating their position. This team is a handful of key free agents and a draft pick away from contending, provided it has good to great coaching. With retarded coaching, it never had a chance.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Building championship teams is a slow process n most of the times it takes continuity at coaching staff for more than 4 years , chuck noll bill Walsh j Johnson
February 19th, 2013 at 11:33 am
LOL Jim.
Ooh ohh
Ehh ehh
Ahh ahhh
February 19th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Correction since some of you monkeys can count.
3 words:
1- Bird
2- Keyboard Monkey.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am
We are not THAT far talentwise. We are talking about a few key players making that much of a difference. There’s not a huge difference from the worst teams to the playoff contenders. The only real gap is the difference from the playoff contenders to the elite.
We are FAR from being ELITE, but not FAR at all from being contenders.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Code Raider Monkey
February 19th, 2013 at 11:37 am
IF A CODE IS NEEDED,JUST WIN BABY WORKS FOR ME..
February 19th, 2013 at 11:39 am
no codes. how about just bring back
‘Raider Mystique’
February 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:32 am
This team still is not that far away talent wise than the 2011 roster. We lost Routt, Bush, and Wimbley and went from 8 wins to 4 wins. Those guys must have been really special to have that kind of impact, right?
wrong.
All 3 of those guys went to teams and all 3 teams regressed from the year prior.
The only conclusion you can draw is that the “talent deprivationists” who are beating their drum that the Raiders just suck are overstating their position. This team is a handful of key free agents and a draft pick away from contending, provided it has good to great coaching. With retarded coaching, it never had a chance.
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Not quite, and it’s also not that simple. You forgot to mention Samson Satele, and the team he went to went from 2-14 to 11-5. The Colts thought enough of him to be their franchises personal protector of an overall number one. And we had problems on the interior of the line particularly early in the season.
Also, this team went from 3-4 with Rich Seymour in the lineup to 1-8 without him. Lastly, where was McFadden all year? If there was one retarded coaching decision it was to keep throwing McFadden out there and keep watching him do nothing over and over.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:42 am
GB’s only had one 4 win or less season in like 25 years… and that was in 2005 too.
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Amazing run now that I look back. There was a day when the Packers were a joke franchise that people took attention to when Randy White decided to sign there. The only thing they had to reference to former glory was Vince Lombardi. They were back in the 70’s and 80’s what we have become today. SMH
February 19th, 2013 at 11:44 am
Guest,
To be a PO contender/ team in the AFC last year, you had to win 10+ games.
We are far from being a 10 win team IMO.
We need DE, CBs, DT, OLB, ILB (Assuming McClaine gets released), OG, RT, TE, P, and depth. We also have a new OC which means a new offense to learn.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am
er Reggie White. my mistake.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:45 am
Code:
No more monkey business, just win baby!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Raider O Says:
Correction since some of you monkeys can count.
3 words:
1- Bird
2- Keyboard Monkey.
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I wasn’t gonna call you on it.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
The main reason we regressed was cuz we went to ZBS n knapp to coach it, were still an 8-8 team with PBS , but not ready to contend for champions yet
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
I tell you what we need. 5 key guys.
WR, DT, DE, CB, ILB
These slots need to be filled thru free agency and the draft, and we need to get lucky in the later rounds. If we can hit on 3 out of 5 of these positions, we should be in the hunt. Hit on all 5 and think no doubt Carson Palmer will lead us to the playoffs. The rest is depth and is interchangeable with street free agents.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
2- Keyboard Monkey.
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please to be explaining sir.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Mayock is a moron….yeah draft a 3 tech guy when we have a UT in Lamarr Houston lmao
Raiders going big run stuffer to take up two blockers or dynamic pass rusher from the right edge to hit QBs blindside
February 19th, 2013 at 11:50 am
R8ER MIKE…….makin em redneckonizing still?
February 19th, 2013 at 11:51 am
The main reason we regressed was cuz we went to ZBS n knapp to coach it, were still an 8-8 team with PBS , but not ready to contend for champions yet
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I don’t have any koolaid that strong and so I will have to agree with you. Contending and competing is the mantra.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:52 am
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
I tell you what we need. 5 key guys.
WR, DT, DE, CB, ILB
These slots need to be filled thru free agency and the draft, and we need to get lucky in the later rounds. If we can hit on 3 out of 5 of these positions, we should be in the hunt. Hit on all 5 and think no doubt Carson Palmer will lead us to the playoffs. The rest is depth and is interchangeable with street free agents.
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Totally agree just add a PR somehow and this should do the trick.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Guess more of this Nick Foles talk in KC is really heating up. So if they do….Luke Joeckel or Star Lotulelei will be first pick in draft
February 19th, 2013 at 11:53 am
The better the pass rush the better the defensive backs?????????
my drug of choice lawn clippings>>>>>>>>
February 19th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:50 am
R8ER MIKE…….makin em redneckonizing still?
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lol B@uce, used your word twice this weekend !!
and hell yeah it got a laugh both times !!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
The main reason we regressed was cuz we went to ZBS n knapp to coach it, were still an 8-8 team with PBS , but not ready to contend for champions yet
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Dont forget about people like you and Raider Riff supporting ZBS and Greg Knapp’s BS….you made excuses after excuses…..at least you come to Earth now
February 19th, 2013 at 11:56 am
G Smith will be the 1st pick.
Print that!
KC had 6 PBers. The have a good defense, solid RBs, but they need a QB.
I think they will franchise Bowe, resign Albert, and Draft G Smith.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Willy91137 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:53 am
The better the pass rush the better the defensive backs?????????
my drug of choice lawn clippings>>>>>>>>
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No the thing is this…..the better the pass rush the more it helps out the secondary. no one can guard you for 5-10 seconds right?
This is why Jhill doesnt know what the hell he is talking about when suggesting us drafting Dee Millner
I’ve argued for year on here we lack elite pass rushing ability….people fought me on the issue but now know they were wrong
We need a RDE
February 19th, 2013 at 11:58 am
I tried that ‘you betta redneckonize!” line a few times in the mirror. But I just can’t get the words out smooth.
Instead of an LOL reaction, I’d be getting a WTF? reaction.
I’ll leave that for you guys who are smooth at dropping lines. I trip over my own tongue. SMH
February 19th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Raider O Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:56 am
G Smith will be the 1st pick.
Print that!
KC had 6 PBers. The have a good defense, solid RBs, but they need a QB.
I think they will franchise Bowe, resign Albert, and Draft G Smith.
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So you are saying they can trade for Foles and still draft Geno to cover their asses? Hmmmm so a QB competition with a 2nd year player you traded for and number 1 overall pick?
I dunno know O
February 19th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
2- Keyboard Monkey.
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please to be explaining sir.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dude…. How many bowls did you smoke at lunch? lol
Keyboard Monkey: noun, a monkey with a keyboard trying to communicate using Monkey English.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:58 am
I tried that ‘you betta redneckonize!” line a few times in the mirror. But I just can’t get the words out smooth.
Instead of an LOL reaction, I’d be getting a WTF? reaction.
I’ll leave that for you guys who are smooth at dropping lines. I trip over my own tongue. SMH
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Get drunk and just let it loose man…..you can do it!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:59 am
Raider O Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:56 am
G Smith will be the 1st pick.
Print that!
KC had 6 PBers. The have a good defense, solid RBs, but they need a QB.
I think they will franchise Bowe, resign Albert, and Draft G Smith.
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So you are saying they can trade for Foles and still draft Geno to cover their asses? Hmmmm so a QB competition with a 2nd year player you traded for and number 1 overall pick?
I dunno know O
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Without trade.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
B,
If they trade for Foles, they draft Joeckel, and francise Bowe. No G Smith.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Raider O Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:00 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
2- Keyboard Monkey.
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please to be explaining sir.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dude…. How many bowls did you smoke at lunch? lol
Keyboard Monkey: noun, a monkey with a keyboard trying to communicate using Monkey English.
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many lunch time bowls sir !!
?? monkey english,sounds like me after lunch too !!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
According to new Chiefs’ G.M. John Dorsey, for example, “there is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say ‘he’s a first-round pick’. There are so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There is not one guy that has stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”
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I don’t think the Chiefs are that high on Geno at #1
February 19th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
then again maybe it’s just Chiefs pre draft spin?
February 19th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:35 am
We are not THAT far talentwise. We are talking about a few key players making that much of a difference. There’s not a huge difference from the worst teams to the playoff contenders. The only real gap is the difference from the playoff contenders to the elite.
We are FAR from being ELITE, but not FAR at all from being contenders.
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If you look at all the teams that are contenders for the ring right now, they all did it the same way. They got a franchise QB and stuck with him, they got a good HC and stuck with him, and played mediocre to good every year. Nobody dumped their franchise QB (Balt was prolly temped because Flacco was pretty mediocre for a lot of years) and very few had a revolving door of HCs (SF might be the exception to these rules.)
Above all, none of them tanked seasons back to back for better draft picks. You just don’t see it anywhere amongst the elite teams… the teams that get that far down usually just stay there. Things just start spiraling out of control (and then they start firing HCs, etc.) Rinse and repeat.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
You have to clean at up sumwhere you can’t be afraid like priest from letting go players, the guy has serious affactiuation for every plyet and thinks rvry player will be a star with another rem ? Only a couple guys come back to haunt u , like the randy miss trade
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You don’t biuld by getting rid of a players, you biuld by developing talent. That’s how it’s done. You don’t dump players because they had an injury or an issue, unless YOU KNOW they can’t play. Players are what you use to win games with I don’t ever want to get rid of talent because he makes $5 more than he should.
I’ve never heard such braindead reasoning. At what point do you stop dumping players and try to get good?
If a guy can’t play and you know it that is a horse of a different color. No one wants players who cannot play. I want every player I cna get who can…………get it?
February 19th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Aren’t there defensive backs in the secondary?????????????
February 19th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Flacco has won a road playoff game every year he has been in the league… hard to say he was mediocre.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Flacco has been money in the playoffs, but his regular season record has been inconsistent. Maybe he’s turned the corner with a new OC. But he’s never been thought of as a Brees, Rodgers, or Manning until very recently.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Flacco=elite….has evidence to back it up…never loses in first round…beat HOF qbs, number 1 draft pick and the big bad 49er defense in one playoff year….sorry but only elite QBs do that…..our starting QB currently cant even accomplish one win
February 19th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
To be fair, there have been plenty of QB’s with a series of one and done or even two and done records that are never given elite status. As time goes by and memories fade of their accomplishments, they get sorted out in the ‘mediocre’ pile while the Super Bowl winners end up mostly in the ‘elite’ pile. It’s not exactly fair, but that’s how it seems.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Just win baby
February 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
One SB win doesn’t make you elite. Sorry. Trent Dilfer would qualify. Brad Johnson would be considered elite. A string of first round playoff wins doesn’t qualify. A second SB win puts you on the verge of elite. Look at Eli, & naw I’m still not convinced.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Jim Plunkett, love the guy. But he’s not elite. Snake Stabler with his one ring was elite. Marino with his zero rings was elite.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
The difference, Guest, is that I will never put Flacco in the category of Dilfer or Brad Johnson! Nor, vice versa! Those guys won with a solid D backing them up while Flacco actually had a D that has been regressing for years!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
One SB win doesn’t make you elite. Sorry. Trent Dilfer would qualify. Brad Johnson would be considered elite. A string of first round playoff wins doesn’t qualify. A second SB win puts you on the verge of elite. Look at Eli, & naw I’m still not convinced.
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Bullschit……did you not see Flacco’s career? He never loses in first round and consistently wins on other teams field…..elite QBs do that and he has done it more times than peyton ever has!
Eli is elite are you crazy? So is Big Ben
February 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
The main reason we regressed was cuz we went to ZBS n knapp to coach it, were still an 8-8 team with PBS , but not ready to contend for champions yet
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Dont forget about people like you and Raider Riff supporting ZBS and Greg Knapp’s BS….you made excuses after excuses…..at least you come to Earth now
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What does that has to do with anything?? I though ZBS would probably work this time around and gave atleast 6 games to make judgements , how is that wrong ?
February 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
There’s two kinds of people on this board those who know and those that think they know??????????
February 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
Flacco<—–people said Ravens reached when drafting him number one out of little ass Delaware and he always is in playoffs never going out in round one and he wins on road for years now….the ring further validated it
February 19th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
And if you don’t know, now you know…
February 19th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Hwnrdr,
To be fair, I’m not inferring that Flacco is in the same category as those guys. I give him a lot more props than that. But it’s still just one inspired 4 game stretch. He needs to do more. But you are right, Flacco is not just a game manager who lucked into winning behind a dominant defense. He was the prime mover to his own title.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
willy91137 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
There’s two kinds of people on this board those who know and those that think they know??????????
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make that three. You forgot all about the
GreenParty !!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
I would like Raiders to draft a pinball type running back that gets you extra yard or 2 even when he’s trapped like Ray Rice
February 19th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Follow The B@Uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:49 am
The main reason we regressed was cuz we went to ZBS n knapp to coach it, were still an 8-8 team with PBS , but not ready to contend for champions yet
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Dont forget about people like you and Raider Riff supporting ZBS and Greg Knapp’s BS….you made excuses after excuses…..at least you come to Earth now
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What does that has to do with anything?? I though ZBS would probably work this time around and gave atleast 6 games to make judgements , how is that wrong ?
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Has alot to do with things…..we all told you for months that zbs and knapp wouldnt work and you slammed people for it…just go to archives and see the ridiculous schit you spewed in 2012
Its like someone telling you that smoking crack is bad and you realize that person was right after hittin the pipe a few times…..just dumb
February 19th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Flacco, to me needs to be consistant…I think it was the speech that Lewis was retiring that the team played inspired, especially Joe! But man…he laid up some stinkers on the way to the payoffs! With the defense never gonna be what it was 13 yeas ago…Flacco needs to be “that guy”!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Forget pistol o n other stuff if you want an O ,model Baltimores O , that thing was beautyful
February 19th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Guest 123>>>>>>>>>>> YOU KNOW
February 19th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
road playoff wins are nice. but they aren’t supposed to happen. the better team usually hosts the playoffs. so if Flacco were ‘elite’, he’d be a frontrunner, and not a spoiler. we’d hear a lot more about him instead of the other guy across from manning, brady, etc.
that’s just it. ravens have never been thought of as the powerhouse team that is supposed to win titles. just as another good team to make the postseason. they took the league by surprise this year.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Has alot to do with things…..we all told you for months that zbs and knapp wouldnt work and you slammed people for it…just go to archives and see the ridiculous schit you spewed in 2012
Its like someone telling you that smoking crack is bad and you realize that person was right after hittin the pipe a few times…..just dumb
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Lemme guess you never been wrong, n plus if knapp would have worked most of you guys would have never admitted you guys were wrong , we would have probably never seen you with the same ID
February 19th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
Forget pistol o n other stuff if you want an O ,model Baltimores O , that thing was beautyful
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yes it was beautiful. can’t define what that is, but i know it when i see it. vertical stretch deep throws, tall atletic receivers who fight for the ball, power running game, a qb with brass balls to chuck into converage and still fit in the perfect window. beeaaaautiful!
February 19th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
McFadden 20 says
pinball type running back THF
February 19th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
a qb with brass balls to chuck into converage and still fit in the perfect window. beeaaaautiful!
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We got that with CP3, except the perfect window detail
February 19th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
a qb with brass balls to chuck into converage and still fit in the perfect window. beeaaaautiful!
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We got that with CP3, except the perfect window detail
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You mean except the perfect Wide Receiver who go up for the ball and save flacco from getting most of his sh1t intercepted
February 19th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Riff still thinks krapps a great coach and nothing was his fault.. delusional
February 19th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
768. We’ll have that when Ford comes back. And Moore will bounce back, they’re the go up and get it type
February 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Good Afternoon Nation:
Code D just whooped your a$$
Code O just bombed your a$$
February 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
I’m not rooting against the young man, but if Terrelle Pryor can’t string a rope 35 yards downfield on the receivers hands with a half step to step lead, and do it consistently, I don’t care about his athletisism. It don’t have much to do with the price of a gallon of milk.
If he can do that, regardless of his running skills then I’m his #1 fan. But if not, don’t get in Carson’s Palmers way. Passing the deep ball accurately is task #1, task #2, and task #3, running skills are ‘cute’ sideshow if you cant execute tasks 1 thru 3.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
Riff still thinks krapps a great coach and nothing was his fault.. delusional
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I don’t think he says KNapp is anything great or something, he’s just saying that it’s a team game, and there has been many instances some players didn’t play as well as they could have, Goodson and Reece and even Stewart to some extent had success with the rock, but Mcfadden was too stubborn to stick with it
February 19th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
too stubborn to adjust to it ***
February 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Have you guys heard where Monte Ball is projected to go… Could make an impact…
February 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
I’m not rooting against the young man, but if Terrelle Pryor can’t string a rope 35 yards downfield on the receivers hands with a half step to step lead, and do it consistently, I don’t care about his athletisism. It don’t have much to do with the price of a gallon of milk.
If he can do that, regardless of his running skills then I’m his #1 fan. But if not, don’t get in Carson’s Palmers way. Passing the deep ball accurately is task #1, task #2, and task #3, running skills are ‘cute’ sideshow if you cant execute tasks 1 thru 3.
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Totally agreed, it would be great to have Pryor with good accurate arm to go with his athleticism and all that but until than Palmer is #1
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
RIFF STILL THINKS KAPPS A GREAT COACH
RIFF Does not know WTF
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Too soon to endorse our new OC Olson, but I like his pragmatism of adapting to the talent and switching up the scheme to fit the talent and not the other way around. Soon as I heard of Knapp’s plan for the players to adapt to his scheme, I knew it was trouble. I never endorsed Knapp’s hire and never leaned toward liking him. I’ll hold my thought on Olson, but at least he’s not stupid as Knapp.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1535213-comeback-2013-jamarcus-russells-road-back-to-the-nfl-episode-2
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Get on board the JR comeback train before it’s too late haters. I’m thinking the Pats or Bengals. He couldn’t land in a better situation than Cincy if he tried. That team is a QB away from greatness.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Knapp is interning for the Bronchoes…
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
775.Dan78 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:54 pm
Have you guys heard where Monte Ball is projected to go… Could make an impact…
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Not with us, a cover 2 with no front 4, no safties or MLB would be basically a Chuck B Prevent d.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Flacco has won a road playoff game every year he has been in the league… hard to say he was mediocre.
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Well yea, good point. The post season saved his job. But he’s never been that great of a regular season QB. Thats why I want to see how CP does in the playoffs before we give up on him.
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1535213-comeback-2013-jamarcus-russells-road-back-to-the-nfl-episode-2
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Get on board the JR comeback train before it’s too late haters. I’m thinking the Pats or Bengals. He couldn’t land in a better situation than Cincy if he tried. That team is a QB away from greatness.
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HAHHAHAHAHAHAH LMFAO
February 19th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Krapp sucks. if you can’t see that I don’t know you’re not a good judge.. the guys a weak play caller he doesn’t get in the endzone and he doesn’t know how to use the strength of the players or really how to develop rotations of players. he doesn’t even know who to use… he’s a clown it’s the reason he was fired and those are the reasons why I knew you would get fired.. the guy has been in the league and fired over and over. he will never call plays at this level again. Riff just had too much ego to admit he was so so wrong.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
782.Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Flacco has won a road playoff game every year he has been in the league… hard to say he was mediocre.
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Well yea, good point. The post season saved his job. But he’s never been that great of a regular season QB. Thats why I want to see how CP does in the playoffs before we give up on him.
Kind of the opposite of Matty Ice…Matt is a great regular season QB, crappy playoff Qb…while Joe is a so-so regular season Qb abut a good playoff Qb!
February 19th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
Krapp sucks. if you can’t see that I don’t know you’re not a good judge..
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Please do not use my name in the same sentence with that man ever again. thank you.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
road playoff wins are nice. but they aren’t supposed to happen. the better team usually hosts the playoffs. so if Flacco were ‘elite’, he’d be a frontrunner, and not a spoiler. we’d hear a lot more about him instead of the other guy across from manning, brady, etc.
that’s just it. ravens have never been thought of as the powerhouse team that is supposed to win titles. just as another good team to make the postseason. they took the league by surprise this year.
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Manning is considered elite and has failed numerous times as front runner……this BS that road teams arent suppose to win is hogwash man…youre using excuses. If they arent suppose to win why play the fkin game? You get in and you win….plain and simple. Its not like Flacco has one fluke playoff road win….he has done it many times
February 19th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
JLard should be making commercials for FatBurger…
February 19th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
782.Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Flacco has won a road playoff game every year he has been in the league… hard to say he was mediocre.
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Well yea, good point. The post season saved his job. But he’s never been that great of a regular season QB. Thats why I want to see how CP does in the playoffs before we give up on him.
Kind of the opposite of Matty Ice…Matt is a great regular season QB, crappy playoff Qb…while Joe is a so-so regular season Qb abut a good playoff Qb!
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Give me Flacco 6 days a week and twice on Sunday over Ryan. No substitute for arm strength. And calling Ryan a “great” anything is a stretch IMO.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Has alot to do with things…..we all told you for months that zbs and knapp wouldnt work and you slammed people for it…just go to archives and see the ridiculous schit you spewed in 2012
Its like someone telling you that smoking crack is bad and you realize that person was right after hittin the pipe a few times…..just dumb
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Lemme guess you never been wrong, n plus if knapp would have worked most of you guys would have never admitted you guys were wrong , we would have probably never seen you with the same ID
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No one right 100 pct…but you made yourself look like a rookie….from the start!
Sorry buddy but I dont hide ever I never hide and when I change my ID its becuz I get kicked off for slamming lil wimps like youself so much
Only a person who knows didley about football supported Knapp….you and Riff are top culprits
February 19th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Debo….Russell will be a NFL starter again when Manti Te’o is straight
February 19th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
Fat Burger still in existence? JaMarcus Russell would be the perfect spokesman. Biting into the side of one them fatburgers dripping special sauce onto his gray capri sweats and XXXXL tee shirt. Yo, I’m comin back!
February 19th, 2013 at 1:10 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1535213-comeback-2013-jamarcus-russells-road-back-to-the-nfl-episode-2
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Get on board the JR comeback train before it’s too late haters. I’m thinking the Pats or Bengals. He couldn’t land in a better situation than Cincy if he tried. That team is a QB away from greatness.
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LOL
Jabustas is not that QB
February 19th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Give RaiderDebo some credit for bringing the positive vibes on his boy Jabustas though. Time and time again, won’t back down. You betta Redneckonize!
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Jawalrus should join the WWE and comeback as the son of Kamala or Mabel from Men on a Mission…
February 19th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
lol Guest !!
February 19th, 2013 at 1:13 pm
If any of you Raiders fans live in the Bay Area, look into Save Oakland Sports. We need all of the fans and support we can get to keep the Raiders in Oakland! You can find the group on Facebook.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
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but that says nothing about his 10cent brain. and his zero work ethic
February 19th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
I can’t believe Jamarcus didn’t call the producers of “the BIGGEST loser” for this comeback. It would have gotten tremendous ratings. Even if it fails. Somebody dropped the ball here. There was $$$ to be made.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Debo….Russell will be a NFL starter again when Manti Te’o is straight
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Russell will be a starter again. Te’o will never be straight.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
If we go D-line with our first pick… What position should be of second major need.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
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but that says nothing about his 10cent brain. and his zero work ethic
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That’s why I say “IF” he can stick with this training. If he does, it will show some of that ethic and that he’s serious this time.
IMO I think those natural skills (passing) that he has will be too tempting for some team not to take a chance at least. That is “IF” he can get down to around 250 and improve those pro day skills.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Russell will be a NFL starter again when Manti Te’o is straight
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Still doesn’t make sense to me. He fell in love with a guy who sounded like a girl? Te’o is queer as a $3 bill.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
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but that says nothing about his 10cent brain. and his zero work ethic
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The video says plenty about JR’s work ethic. And where the hell do you get this “10cent brain” bulsht??? Look in the mirror dude. Christian Ponder was billed as some football genius because he ran Jimbo Fisher’s offense pretty well at FSU. He didn’t run that offense half as well as JR did.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
J. Russell was Al Davis’ 2nd worst move. Going to LA was the worst.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
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but that says nothing about his 10cent brain. and his zero work ethic
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That’s why I say “IF” he can stick with this training. If he does, it will show some of that ethic and that he’s serious this time.
IMO I think those natural skills (passing) that he has will be too tempting for some team not to take a chance at least. That is “IF” he can get down to around 250 and improve those pro day skills.
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The guy would look like a toothpick at 250. 265-270 is the goal. He’ll be there in a month. Just keep watching.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
February 19th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
No one right 100 pct…but you made yourself look like a rookie….from the start!
Sorry buddy but I dont hide ever I never hide and when I change my ID its becuz I get kicked off for slamming lil wimps like youself so much
Only a person who knows didley about football supported Knapp….you and Riff are top culprits
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Okay you were right about knapp and I have no football knowledge , do you want a cookie now?
February 19th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
The video says plenty about JR’s work ethic. And where the hell do you get this “10cent brain” bulsht??? Look in the mirror dude. Christian Ponder was billed as some football genius because he ran Jimbo Fisher’s offense pretty well at FSU. He didn’t run that offense half as well as JR did.
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HAHA Ponder is waaay better than that whale Ja LARDASS
man Debo give it a rest U r a MORON and ur idle Russell is a FCKING bum
February 19th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Competition Committee seeking players’ input on low block rules
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/19/competition-committee-seeking-players-input-on-low-block-rules/
February 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
It would be nice to see Palmer back at 5.5 Million dollars a year. If not.. then BYEE
I see it playing the same way as WIMBLEY. Ask to take a pay cut.. (palmer MAY.. or may not) due to his agent telling him test the market.. or be cut.
If he feels he can get more money on the market if he is cut he will refuse to take a pay cut
February 19th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
812.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
It would be nice to see Palmer back at 5.5 Million dollars a year. If not.. then BYEE
I see it playing the same way as WIMBLEY. Ask to take a pay cut.. (palmer MAY.. or may not) due to his agent telling him test the market.. or be cut.
If he feels he can get more money on the market if he is cut he will refuse to take a pay cut
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Well you saw how much the Wimbley cut hurt us, Cutting palmer would only be worse
February 19th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
I keep coming back hoping to see some announcements on cuts etc.
Raiders still not one of those org’s who believe in just figuring out what needs to be done and doing it.
Reggie keeps saying he “has a plan”.
Does he?
I realize there’s no rush neccessarily…
I guess my point is I AM NOT ENTERTAINED!
February 19th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
812.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:33 pm
It would be nice to see Palmer back at 5.5 Million dollars a year. If not.. then BYEE
I see it playing the same way as WIMBLEY. Ask to take a pay cut.. (palmer MAY.. or may not) due to his agent telling him test the market.. or be cut.
If he feels he can get more money on the market if he is cut he will refuse to take a pay cut
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Well you saw how much the Wimbley cut hurt us, Cutting palmer would only be worse
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Believe me.. I wanted WIMBLEY to stay bad.. I was like cut huff, cut kelly, cut seymour.. just keep our speed rusher WIMBLEY.. he made the entire line better.
But I guess reggie wasnt having it. I see it happening with Palmer this year… All high priced CONTRACTS will be on the block
February 19th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Mayock and two other from NFLN are mocking Floyd to Raiders @ 3?? Ugh
Floyd is a 3 tech and Raiders already have a 3 tech in L Houston. I hope this is a smokescreen being let out by McK and his people.
If they really like Floyd, then they need to find a trade partner to trade down.
Raiders need a penetrating, run stuffing two gap presence players Star or Kwann Short if anything at the NT/DT spot. Star and Short would offer more flexibility when it comes to switching from 4-3 to 3-4 looks.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Raiderallday,
Any Raiders stuff out there today? You seem to be one of the only ones finding anything.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Mayock and two other from NFLN are mocking Floyd to Raiders @ 3?? Ugh
Floyd is a 3 tech and Raiders already have a 3 tech in L Houston. I hope this is a smokescreen being let out by McK and his people.
If they really like Floyd, then they need to find a trade partner to trade down.
Raiders need a penetrating, run stuffing two gap presence players Star or Kwann Short if anything at the NT/DT spot. Star and Short would offer more flexibility when it comes to switching from 4-3 to 3-4 looks.
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Are u hearing guys talk like Floyd is someone we SHOULD take…or that they are hearing from sources we WILL take?
February 19th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Raiders Prepared To Make Big Changes To Their Defensive Line?
Nate BoudaFebruary 4, 2013 No Comments
Bill Williamson of ESPN.com writes that “change is in store” for the Oakland Raiders’ defensive line.
According to Williamson,DT Richard Seymour “very likely will not return” and DT Tommy Kelly is a “top candidate to be cut.”
Seymour, 33, has been limited in recent years due to injuries, but was rated as the No. 12 best defensive tackle this year by Pro Football Focus. It really doesn’t make a lot of sense for the Raiders to re-sign Seymour seeing as he’s on the downswing of his NFL career and they have limit cash to work with.
Kelly, 32, could carry a cap figure as high as $11 million next season and given that his production dropped off in 2012, it seems likely that the Raiders will cut him loose. Releasing Kelly could save them $7 million, which is really a big deal, considering that they are still working to fix their financial situation.
Defensive ends Desmond Bryant and Matt Shaughnessy will be a free agent in the coming months, but it will be hard for the Raiders to retain Bryant given that there could be a lot of interest in him on the open market. Shaughnessy is a bit of a question mark, so unless he’s willing to sign a reasonable contract, he too could be playing elsewhere.
Williamson mentions that the Raiders could target a defensive lineman in the first-round of this year’s draft such as Texas A&M DE Damontre Moore, LSU DE Barkevious Mingo, Florida State DE Bjoern Werner (Florida State) and or Utah DT Star Lotulelei.
We have Oakland taking Lotulelei in the first-round of our 2013 NFL Mock Draft
February 19th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
The COMBINE will be key on who the RAIDERS will be drafting and how they go about doing the draft.
February 19th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Raiders
Scott Wright prognosticates that the Oakland Raiders will take North Carolina ILB Kevin Reddick at some point during this year’s draft.
“Reddick really looked like a leader today, barking out instructions and getting the defense lined up properly,” notes Wright. “Oakland definitely needs a linebacker and Riddick seems to meet the criteria of what Head Coach Dennis Allen said the organization is looking for in a player which is someone who loves the game, is willing to work and puts the team first.”
February 19th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Draft Notes:
•A former NFL exec mentioned that the Chiefs “have to take [Luke] Joeckel. He’s the best player, period. He’s safe.” (Matt Miller)
•An NFL scout mentioned that he has a “late-round grade” on North Carolina State QB Mike Glennon. (Matt Miller)
•Miami of Ohio QB Zac Dysert reportedly hasn’t looked like a quarterback “with the talent to start” in the NFL this week. (National Football Post)
•The Rams have reportedly showed interest in Georgia CB Sanders Commings this week. (St. Louis Post-Dispatch)
•“215-pound safety with corner feet,” said Mike Mayock of Georgia Southern S J.J. Wilcox, via NFL.com. “I think he’s an immediate starter in the NFL,
•San Jose State OL David Quessenberry’s strong showing this week could have elevated him into the third to fourth-round of this year’s draft. (Charlie Campbell)
•FIU S Saf Cyprien is “one of draft’s best safeties.“ (Erik Galko)
February 19th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Im telling you I wouldnt even be mad if the Raiders drafted DEE MILLNER at 3.. listening to NFL radio.. Lions beat writer said talk in th ORG is that DEE Millner will most likely be there pick cuz they need a corner and Dee is legit
Well raiders need alot of things and Dennis Allen needs a corner with some 1st round talent.. Dee would be a nice pick..
or would u want GENO smith?
February 19th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
Mayock and two other from NFLN are mocking Floyd to Raiders @ 3?? Ugh
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Demontre Moore. That’s the guy.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Im telling you I wouldnt even be mad if the Raiders drafted DEE MILLNER at 3.. listening to NFL radio.. Lions beat writer said talk in th ORG is that DEE Millner will most likely be there pick cuz they need a corner and Dee is legit
Well raiders need alot of things and Dennis Allen needs a corner with some 1st round talent.. Dee would be a nice pick..
or would u want GENO smith?
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Here is a list of players I would take over Geno
Joeckel
Warmack
Werner
Moore
Jordan
Star
Milliner
Fisher
Jones
Ansah
Floyd
Vaccaro
Ogletree
Fluker
If all of those guys are off the board by #3, go Geno.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RediaR Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Im telling you I wouldnt even be mad if the Raiders drafted DEE MILLNER at 3.. listening to NFL radio.. Lions beat writer said talk in th ORG is that DEE Millner will most likely be there pick cuz they need a corner and Dee is legit
Well raiders need alot of things and Dennis Allen needs a corner with some 1st round talent.. Dee would be a nice pick..
or would u want GENO smith?
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Here is a list of players I would take over Geno
Joeckel
Warmack
Werner
Moore
Jordan
Star
Milliner
Fisher
Jones
Ansah
Floyd
Vaccaro
Ogletree
Fluker
If all of those guys are off the board by #3, go Geno.
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Exactly just say no to Geno
February 19th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
YO YO YO THE BEEEECH DAWG N FULL EFFECT
Whut up party zeros
Been a rough day for the old Dawg. Ate a dozen corndogs from Weinerschniztel and unleashed a full pound of wet poo pies in my unsuspecting hot tub
Guess the motion of the ocean and the soothing jets did a number on my cornholio
A few of the Beeech Dawgettes – my fabulous collection of wasted strippers – are cleaning up the mess and I’m drowning my sorrows in a Pina Colada
Won’t be able to use the tub for a full 2 hours, bummed out to the max fer sure
Anyway I’ve got a little free time on my hand to blog with you losers so consider yourself lucky
Speaking of Old Trolls, has K-Rat cut and pasted anymore MLK speeches? That was totally hilarious, just can’t get enough of that silly old goat
JUST GOTTA LET THE DUECE LOOSE
February 19th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Geno wont last till 3. Not unless a de has a crazy combine or somthing.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
If all of those guys are off the board by #3, go Geno.
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February 19th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Luke Joeckel is the best player in the draft Matt Millen .
Robert Gallery is the best player in the draft you think you know but you don’t know
Matt Millen hell of a player not much of a GM@@@@@@@@@@@@@
February 19th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Floyd is ends up being the best DT on the board then go ahead and take him. We have no one at DT other than Bilikudi.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Assuming we are cutting Tommy Kelly right now.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Fk it, lets build this mutha the Al D way, not the Madden way. Draft Milliner with #3 and honeybadger in the 3rd or 4th, outside in baby. Resign Des and Carter and bring in a pass rushing DE in FA like Osi
February 19th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Fk it, lets build this mutha the Al D way, not the Madden way. Draft Milliner with #3 and honeybadger in the 3rd or 4th, outside in baby. Resign Des and Carter and bring in a pass rushing DE in FA like Osi
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Worrrd!
February 19th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Geno wont last till 3. Not unless a de has a crazy combine or somthing.
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Saturday is the day.. and interviews as well. Keep in mind Reggie and the whole staff will be on the field
February 19th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
They always want more, so I always get better. It’s just the beginning.
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
Got so much to prove!
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
Good is never good enough! #striveforgreatness
Twitter
February 19th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
I’m on a mission to be great!
February 19th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Raiders
Scott Wright prognosticates that the Oakland Raiders will take North Carolina ILB Kevin Reddick at some point during this year’s draft.
“Reddick really looked like a leader today, barking out instructions and getting the defense lined up properly,” notes Wright. “Oakland definitely needs a linebacker and Riddick seems to meet the criteria of what Head Coach Dennis Allen said the organization is looking for in a player which is someone who loves the game, is willing to work and puts the team first.”
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…and with that in mind look for the announcement the Raiders decide to keep Rolando McClain..you know the guy who said he can’t wait “to play for a REAL team”.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Watching that video, that trainer thinks he can get him to run a 4.80 40, improve his vertical jump, lose weight etc.
That son of a gun can sling it imo.
He is a BIG DUDE though.
IF he can lose that weight and stick with this training he’s doing than HE WILL get a look from some teams and when they see him sling it around…someone will take a chance…at least as a backup.
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but that says nothing about his 10cent brain. and his zero work ethic
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That’s why I say “IF” he can stick with this training. If he does, it will show some of that ethic and that he’s serious this time.
IMO I think those natural skills (passing) that he has will be too tempting for some team not to take a chance at least. That is “IF” he can get down to around 250 and improve those pro day skills.
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The guy would look like a toothpick at 250. 265-270 is the goal. He’ll be there in a month. Just keep watching.
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JR loses 30 lbs in a month? When pigs fly.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Fk it, lets build this mutha the Al D way
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scary thought.
very scary thought
February 19th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Reggie cant afford to phuck this pick up… Hopefully he’s got his scouting tapes in Denny’s while he stuffs his face….
February 19th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
We need so many players on D I won’t be mad at the pick long as its either, Milliner, Star, Moore, Jones etc… heck I wouldn’t be mad if we went offense with Geno, Warmack, either of the LT’s..I guess at this point Im easy to please, but Im sure I will have my fav here after combine and prodays.
February 19th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
If Al were to be alive who do you think he takes #3… just food for thought…
February 19th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Dan
Milliner, especially if he runs a sub 4.4 40
February 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
fu#k what position you are and aren’t supposed to get at #3, if star isn’t there i would not be mad at getting warmack. Veld Warmack Wiz is a nice left side of the oline for years
February 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Or Ansah Ziggy, he will run a very fast 40 for a guy his size and he is a boom or bust type player that might be the best athlete in this draft
February 19th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Dan78 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
If Al were to be alive who do you think he takes #3… just food for thought…
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gotta wait for the combine but i say milliner
February 19th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
However it is very unlikely that Milliner will run a sub 4.4 40, so he might be to slow for Al to draft that high
February 19th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
However it is very unlikely that Milliner will run a sub 4.4 40, so he might be to slow for Al to draft that high
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dare i say the best size/speed combo cb at the combine?
February 19th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
An ignorant person is a person that doesn’t know what you just found out
you think you know>>>>>>>>>
February 19th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Al wouldn’t know their names yet. wait till after the combine.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
willy91137 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
An ignorant person is a person that doesn’t know what you just found out
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Wouldn’t that be an uninformed person?
February 19th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
845.inonewordraider Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
fu#k what position you are and aren’t supposed to get at #3, if star isn’t there i would not be mad at getting warmack. Veld Warmack Wiz is a nice left side of the oline for years
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Yep. Rather take Ansah, or Warmack ahead of Floyd at #3 thats for sure.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
Puppet?
February 19th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Brahs, sweet news!
The wasted strippers just finished cleaning my massive turd explosion out of the hot tub and now we’re all partying with Pina Coladas and Sabrina the Teenage Witch on DVD
Salem the Cat knows whats up
Pretty scared for a minute, as all my fans know the Beeeech Diggity does his best 69ing work in the jacuzzi
Oh yeah and I got some hella sweet news about my ding dong coming up. And if you guessed he grew again, you just could be right
KEEPIN IT LIVE ON THE 405
February 19th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
828.Marks hair Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
Geno wont last till 3. Not unless a de has a crazy combine or somthing.
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Round 3 or pick #3 overall?
I heard on the radio that the KC GM came right out and said there isn’t a QB worthy of being picked in the entire FIRST ROUND in this draft class….
February 19th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
836.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
They always want more, so I always get better. It’s just the beginning.
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
Got so much to prove!
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
Good is never good enough! #striveforgreatness
Twitter
837.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
I’m on a mission to be great!
+++++++++++++
Get outside and practice instead of wasting time on Twitter.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
beechy dawg is back. he has been getting cornholed by this gender bender cop and got caught shaking the ketchp bottle with a bus boy at cecilia’s. so he had to lay low. but he’s back now.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Old man Al would probably pick Millner or Geno.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Isn’t Milliner a big, strong, physical CB that isn’t really fast? With the NFL rules slanted in favor of the offense and WRs, is a guy like that worth taking at the top of the draft?
February 19th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
He’s not slow, he has alright size at 6′1 and around 200lbs, yes he is a physical corner who can hit and blitz. I wouldn’t be mad if we picked him
February 19th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I want you all to know that I had a dream last night, and in that dream we picked Milliner with our first pick. That’s not who I want either (I prefer one of the Dlinemen), that’s just what came to me in the dream.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
862.The Big Banana Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I want you all to know that I had a dream last night, and in that dream we picked Milliner with our first pick. That’s not who I want either (I prefer one of the Dlinemen), that’s just what came to me in the dream.
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Big B,
Did that dream about Anna Kournikova ever come true? Or are your dreams just that….dreams?
February 19th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Brahs, the dope bro-style news just keeps pourin’ into the Beeeech Pad!
Did an official Lawg measurement and yes – the weiner-dawg is still growing! 14.5 inches give or take give or take a few centimeters
Gonna drop lil homie on the deli scale in the kitchen to see if he’s a full pound
Any of you wanna Tweet this news out, now’s the time before TMZ catches wind
HOLLA HOLLA FIZZLE DIZZLE WHUUUUUUT
February 19th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jets cut Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, backup saftey Eric Smith and Otackle Jason smith. We need all these positions but don’t really know much about the two Smith’s.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
I recently had a dream that zombies were after me….too much Walking Dead I guess.
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Our #3 overall for St. Louis’ 16th & 23rd?
Would Fisher want to move up?
I can see Arizona wanting to move up to our pick for either Geno or a top LT.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Our #3 overall for St. Louis’ 16th & 23rd?
Would Fisher want to move up?
I can see Arizona wanting to move up to our pick for either Geno or a top LT.
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B@uce been yellin for the last month about a trade with Rams who need a center….but if Geno Smith isnt number 1 it may be Joeckel who the Rams would love to have blocking for Bradford
3rd pick is worth 2200 points on draft value chart
16th and 22nd pick dont even equate points wise to 3rd pick….so they would have to toss in a 2nd or 3rd I say
February 19th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
Dakota Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
I recently had a dream that zombies were after me….too much Walking Dead I guess.
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Ever had a dream that Bartman and the idiot Cubs fans never attempted to catch that foul ball off Castillo’s bat?
February 19th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
866.Dakota Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
I recently had a dream that zombies were after me….too much Walking Dead I guess.
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Did all the zombies look like Al Davis?
February 19th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
867.RaiderRetribution Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Our #3 overall for St. Louis’ 16th & 23rd?
Would Fisher want to move up?
I can see Arizona wanting to move up to our pick for either Geno or a top LT.
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Draft value chart doesn’t really mean much anymore.
If Rams take that deal (which they won’t) than they would want LT Joekel.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
If Rams want to move up all the way to #3 they would have too give up the 16th & 23rd, Reggie shouldn’t take anything less from them.
February 19th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
It would be Reggie takin that deal, not the other way around
February 19th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
big board:
1. star=occupies two blockers allowing others to stop the run/get to the qb
2. warmack=want dmac to have a huge season, run to the left side of the line with Veld Warmack & Wiz, protect your qb
February 19th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Gonna be a long off-season…geeez
February 19th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Please Reggie do NOT give up the #3. No way. Don’t do it. Build your damn D the right way.
If Reggie dumps his #3 pick it will be because he is cheap.
Spend less time and dollars at Denny’s and more on bona fide quality players.
http://www.trolls.com Awesome site
February 19th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Yep.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:18 pm
Troll Master Says:
Didn’t go to your site, though I have in the past.
Is that you?
February 19th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Was looking at Pro-Football-Reference, Palmer in particular, last 9 games of 2011. We lost 5 of the last 9 games, giving up 38,34,46,28, and 38 points.
just to remind you of how epically bad the D was down the stretch.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
February 19th, 2013 at 6:42 pm
Evening, all!
February 19th, 2013 at 6:44 pm
Great post KK, no grammatical errors, no copy & pasting, no thought, no name-dropping.
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KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Yep.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
866.Dakota Says:
I recently had a dream that zombies were after me….too much Walking Dead I guess.
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DutchRaider77 Says:
Did all the zombies look like Al Davis?
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Better hope not. If they were like Mr Davis, they might not out run you, but they’ll out smart you.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
What up, Scourge? Took care of my snow and overnight freezing chores and came back in here and there was nobody.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
NFL won’t guarantee money for Raiders stadium
OAKLAND — When Oakland leaders last March announced plans to transform the Coliseum complex into an entertainment center with new homes for all three of its sports teams, there were two big pieces missing: money to build the stadiums and buy-in from the teams.
Nearly one year later, little has changed when it comes to the still-unrealized Coliseum City project.
The A’s ownership, still seeking Major League Baseball’s permission to move the team to San Jose, refuses to even talk about building a new home in Oakland, city leaders said. And the Golden State Warriors are forbidden from doing the same under the terms of its agreement to move to San Francisco.
That leaves the Raiders.
Oakland’s football team has met frequently with city and Alameda County officials. But those talks have yet to produce a plan to build a football stadium that won’t devour taxpayer money like the deal two decades ago that returned the team from Los Angeles.
Moreover, the Raiders can’t depend on the NFL chipping in for a new stadium in Oakland, as it did for the 49ers in Santa Clara, unless the team generates more fan and corporate support, City Administrator Deanna Santana and Assistant City Administrator Fred Blackwell told stadium boosters at a gathering Monday evening.
They said that the league is concerned with the gulf between what the 49ers have been able to charge for premium seating at its future stadium and what the Raiders have been getting in Oakland.
getting in Oakland.
NFL won’t guarantee money for Raiders stadium
By Matthew Artz
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 02/19/2013 04:00:37 PM PST
Updated: 02/19/2013 06:11:15 PM PST
OAKLAND — When Oakland leaders last March announced plans to transform the Coliseum complex into an entertainment center with new homes for all three of its sports teams, there were two big pieces missing: money to build the stadiums and buy-in from the teams.
Nearly one year later, little has changed when it comes to the still-unrealized Coliseum City project.
The A’s ownership, still seeking Major League Baseball’s permission to move the team to San Jose, refuses to even talk about building a new home in Oakland, city leaders said. And the Golden State Warriors are forbidden from doing the same under the terms of its agreement to move to San Francisco.
That leaves the Raiders.
Oakland’s football team has met frequently with city and Alameda County officials. But those talks have yet to produce a plan to build a football stadium that won’t devour taxpayer money like the deal two decades ago that returned the team from Los Angeles.
Moreover, the Raiders can’t depend on the NFL chipping in for a new stadium in Oakland, as it did for the 49ers in Santa Clara, unless the team generates more fan and corporate support, City Administrator Deanna Santana and Assistant City Administrator Fred Blackwell told stadium boosters at a gathering Monday evening.
They said that the league is concerned with the gulf between what the 49ers have been able to charge for premium seating at its future stadium and what the Raiders have been
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getting in Oakland.
“We’re not going to make that up overnight, but we’ve got to show some type of progress,” Blackwell said.
Premium seating is an important revenue stream for NFL stadium construction.
When asked Tuesday if the NFL had committed to help finance a Raiders stadium in Oakland, league spokesman Greg Aiello responded that the team “can apply for league loans of up to $200 million.”
Raiders CEO Amy Trask declined to address whether the team needed to shore up community and corporate support before seeking financing help from the league.
Oakland’s bid to keep its teams, all of whom want modern stadiums with more revenue-producing premium seating, is hampered by a lack of public money and no shortage of irony.
While business leaders are eager to hold on to the A’s and their 81 home games — preferably in a new waterfront stadium near Jack London Square — the team’s ownership has no interest in sticking around.
“Just to be frank, Lew Wolff won’t talk to us,” Blackwell told Monday’s gathering, which was sponsored by the fan group Save Oakland Sports.
Reached Tuesday, Wolff said the team had already looked at all the potential stadium sites in Oakland and couldn’t make any of them work financially.
The Raiders want to stay, but haven’t had business leaders rally to their side. And with just 10 home games a season, the club is hardly the ideal primary tenant for an entertainment center that needs to be buzzing most nights of the week.
Earlier this month, the Raiders announced that they would tarp over about 10,000 seats to help induce sellout crowds.
The trouble when it comes to keeping the Raiders is that the only proven model for limiting public funding of NFL stadiums that now cost $1 billion is for fans and businesses to pay top dollar for luxury suites and the right merely to purchase season tickets.
While that appears to be working so far for the 49ers in Santa Clara, where fans are paying $80,000 for the best seats in the house, it was a disaster for city and county taxpayers when the Raiders moved back to Oakland in 1995.
Lackluster sales of so-called personal seat licenses forced the public to cover the costs of renovating the Coliseum for the Raiders return. The city and county continue to pay about $10 million apiece every year to pay off stadium bonds. For Oakland, that money could have paid for about 60 more police officers.
About $100 million is still owed on the Coliseum bonds, which presents a major hurdle to redeveloping the site, Santana said.
Oakland officials approved spending $3.5 million last year to move forward with Coliseum City. While the project hasn’t reached any milestones so far, city officials say they have made progress with the Raiders and soon expect to have tangible results.
A site plan for the 750-acre project, which includes rezoning adjacent land for biotech uses, is slated to be completed by the end of this year. Also the joint city-county board that oversees the Coliseum recently commissioned a $500,000 study on how to fund stadiums on the site with minimal public contributions.
“We are very passionate about keeping the teams, but we are very passionate and adamant about not letting that get us into a bad deal,” Blackwell said.
Fans at Monday’s gathering remained optimistic that Oakland will remain a Big League city. “All we can do is try to galvanize support and convince the teams that Oakland and the East Bay are the best places for them,” Save Oakland Sports member Jim Zelinski said. Contact Matthew Artz at 510-208-6435.
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February 19th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
Wow, I had one helluva healthy kell last night. Had to give myself a courtesy flush. Phew.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:53 pm
Hey, P-man. Yeah, in reviewing the blog posts since my last contribution, I noticed it was pretty quiet.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
C2E Says:
Gonna be a long off-season…geeez
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Enjoy it. The older you get, the shorter they get.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
Kell, you are such a useless sloth.
#keeping it real
February 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Scourge Says:
Hey, P-man. Yeah, in reviewing the blog posts since my last contribution, I noticed it was pretty quiet.
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Always without you. You must be the catalyst.
February 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Candidates for release
1. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders quarterback: The Jets get much-deserved attention for their bloated contracts, but former owner Al Davis left general manager Reggie McKenzie in a salary-cap hell of his own. The most egregious example is the nearly $14 million in dead money left behind from free agent Richard Seymour’s contract. Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut. In full-blown rebuilding mode, the Raiders may find that it makes more sense to give Terrelle Pryor a one-year trial run.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140448/article/afc-veterans-on-the-roster-bubble
February 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Raiders staff to attend the combine;
DA
Tarver
Mickey Marvin (scout)
De Fillippo (QB coach)
Lynn (DB coach)
Gilmore (WR coach)
T. Williams (DL coach)
A preview of the positions to be addressed in the draft, maybe.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
The Oakland Raiders found some gems in last year’s NFL Draft, but is there enough depth to find some future stars among the 2013 rookie class?
The Raider coaching staff will run drills in the 2013 combine, so they will get a closer look at this year’s talent. The Raiders are team that is known to draft guys who are “physical freaks” at there position, so any names that stand out at the combine, you can expect the front office in Oakland to take a closer look at those players.
Does the NFL Combine really help the Raiders with there draft selections?
The Raiders have been known to draft players who have a great combine and pro day, but not too impressive of a college career.
Darrius Heyward-Bey, even though most Raider fans would still defend the selection, was a perfect example of drafting for skills in the combine and on paper rather than in-game talent and production. In the long run as a team, this is horrible for the franchise.
On the other hand, drafting these “combine players” in the later rounds are actually smart and valuable picks for the team.
As much as reporters try to analyze, the truth is: we don’t know who will be good. We know who has potential, but it is always hard to tell who can compete until they are actually given their shot and teams can see what they can do with them. The combine is just for flash, nothing more, but sometimes that stage of flash can make a player stand out and give him a shot.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/18/oakland-raiders-is-nfl-combine-a-distraction-or-savior/?l4Am4hS2et6Lg8tS.99
February 19th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Always without you. You must be the catalyst.
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I dunno about that. Of course, I don’t know what the catalyst is for the kell I’m nursing right now.
And the Beeech is back!!!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Mayock and two other from NFLN are mocking Floyd to Raiders @ 3?? Ugh. That makes zero sense!
Floyd is a 3 tech and Raiders already have a UT 3 tech in L Houston. I hope this is a smokescreen being let out by McK and his people.
If they really like Floyd, then they need to find a trade partner to trade down.
Raiders need a penetrating, run stuffing two gap presence players Star or Kwann Short if anything at the NT/DT spot. Star and Short would offer more flexibility when it comes to switching from 4-3 to 3-4 looks.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/19/4005934/re-courting-of-phillip-wheeler-heating-up
Who wants to bet that Shreg signs Wheeler before Bryant? Gotta look good for the ego.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Candidates for release
1. Terrel Pryor. Let’s be honest, Pryor couldn’t throw a pass and hit water if he was drowning in it. Not only that but his decision making is atrocious. And then there is his off the field decision making which is even worse. The reason the Raiders did not start him last season was it would have been completely embarrassing to everyone involved. Best idea might be to pay Shane Lechler and move him up the depth chart to the number two QB.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
P-man, do you ever sleep or does the llama business have you working odd hours.
I saw the weather report for your area on the weather channel yesterday and was thinking you’d be shoveling.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Candidates for release
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I know of a kell that’s going to be a candidate for release soon!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2010/03/19/could-mccloughan-saga-end-in-oakland/
The guy who should have got an interview
February 19th, 2013 at 7:15 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
fu#k what position you are and aren’t supposed to get at #3, if star isn’t there i would not be mad at getting warmack. Veld Warmack Wiz is a nice left side of the oline for years
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It would be epic.
Only thing better would be if we trade down a few spots and still get Warmack.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
Beeech, howzabout dropping some new lines before I drop a kell!
February 19th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
The Oakland Raiders found some gems in last year’s NFL Draft, but is there enough depth to find some future stars among the 2013 rookie class?
The Raider coaching staff will run drills in the 2013 combine, so they will get a closer look at this year’s talent. The Raiders are team that is known to draft guys who are “physical freaks” at there position, so any names that stand out at the combine, you can expect the front office in Oakland to take a closer look at those players.
Does the NFL Combine really help the Raiders with there draft selections?
The Raiders have been known to draft players who have a great combine and pro day, but not too impressive of a college career.
Darrius Heyward-Bey, even though most Raider fans would still defend the selection, was a perfect example of drafting for skills in the combine and on paper rather than in-game talent and production. In the long run as a team, this is horrible for the franchise.
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This guy DOES know that Al Davis won’t be running the draft this year, right?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
903, that write-up taken from bleacher report? Physical freaks at ‘there’ position? Can’t even get the right their. Move along, nothing to see there.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
885, the NFL committed to money for a stadium in Oakland. Are they taking it back, or another writer that doesn’t know what he writes about?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Ranking Top 32 QB’s going into 2013
#24. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders
The tread is starting to wear thin on Palmer’s tires as the veteran tries to stay at the top of the Raiders quarterback depth chart. Health concerns, caused by poor pass protection, have Palmer visiting the injured list all too often. If Terrelle Pryor is really in competition for the 2013 starting spot, Palmer should just call it a career.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/05/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks-heading-into-2013-season/?uu77PkR3ZAgyqcTR.99
February 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
P-man, have you seen KK 2.0 around lately?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
904.The Big Banana Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:26 pm
903, that write-up taken from bleacher report? Physical freaks at ‘there’ position? Can’t even get the right their. Move along, nothing to see there.
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That, and “in the long run as a team, this is horrible for the franchise”.
Eloquent.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:36 pm
If Terrelle Pryor is really in competition for the 2013 starting spot, Palmer should just call it a career.
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Ouch.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
The Big Banana Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
885, the NFL committed to money for a stadium in Oakland. Are they taking it back, or another writer that doesn’t know what he writes about?
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This is today’s paper. Not as simple as it sounded.
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_22623146/nfl-wont-guarantee-money-raiders-stadium
February 19th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
NFL won’t guarantee money for Raiders stadium
By Matthew Artz
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 02/19/2013 04:00:37 PM PST
Updated: 02/19/2013 06:11:15 PM PST
[snip]
When asked Tuesday if the NFL had committed to help finance a Raiders stadium in Oakland, league spokesman Greg Aiello responded that the team “can apply for league loans of up to $200 million.”
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I thought the $200M was a grant and not a loan.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Scourge Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
NFL won’t guarantee money for Raiders stadium
By Matthew Artz
Oakland Tribune
Posted: 02/19/2013 04:00:37 PM PST
Updated: 02/19/2013 06:11:15 PM PST
[snip]
When asked Tuesday if the NFL had committed to help finance a Raiders stadium in Oakland, league spokesman Greg Aiello responded that the team “can apply for league loans of up to $200 million.”
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I thought the $200M was a grant and not a loan.
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You’re a dumbass.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
edward teach Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Raiders staff to attend the combine;
DA
Tarver
Mickey Marvin (scout)
De Fillippo (QB coach)
Lynn (DB coach)
Gilmore (WR coach)
T. Williams (DL coach)
A preview of the positions to be addressed in the draft, maybe.
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Soprano is the OL coach and a veteran and former head coach at that. He should be in attendance also IMO.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
16th and 22nd pick dont even equate points wise to 3rd pick….so they would have to toss in a 2nd or 3rd I say
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I’d probably take it. But I’d push for that 2nd and 3rd and take a 4th.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Kell, you’re projecting again. Hasn’t your psychiatrist explained that process to you yet?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
I guess we got CP3(good thing) and we got CPKK, which is Copy&Paste KoolKell.
Glad we got CP3.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
Oh, even I frown on double teaming.
But, what the he11.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
DK and ET…
You guys think this means they’re going to draft DLmen and a quartback in the early rounds, and foregoing additions to the OL in the last rounds/FAcy?
February 19th, 2013 at 7:58 pm
Sorry, I forgot.
Scourge, you’re a dumbass.
February 19th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
Thanks, P-man, it’s too much fun to pass up.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
*quarterback.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
February 19th, 2013 at 8:02 pm
Hmmmmm….
February 19th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
16th and 22nd pick dont even equate points wise to 3rd pick….so they would have to toss in a 2nd or 3rd I say
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I’d probably take it. But I’d push for that 2nd and 3rd and take a 4th.
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I would take it as well and get additional 5th in this years draft or a 2nd in next years draft. If McK can get the 16th and 22nd pick, he can always trade up or down from there using those picks as ammo.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
February 19th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
913.DKnight007 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
edward teach Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Raiders staff to attend the combine;
DA
Tarver
Mickey Marvin (scout)
De Fillippo (QB coach)
Lynn (DB coach)
Gilmore (WR coach)
T. Williams (DL coach)
A preview of the positions to be addressed in the draft, maybe.
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Soprano is the OL coach and a veteran and former head coach at that. He should be in attendance also IMO.
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I agree with you, unless they have him doing something else that they consider to be very important. Notable that Olson isn’t on that list, either. Maybe those two are working on something else. Maybe the absence of Sparano and Olson is a hint that defense will be the main focus of the draft, after all.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Ranking Top 32 QB’s going into 2013
#24. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders
The tread is starting to wear thin on Palmer’s tires as the veteran tries to stay at the top of the Raiders quarterback depth chart. Health concerns, caused by poor pass protection, have Palmer visiting the injured list all too often. If Terrelle Pryor is really in competition for the 2013 starting spot, Palmer should just call it a career.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/05/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks-heading-into-2013-season/?uu77PkR3ZAgyqcTR.99
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Gil Alcaraz IV wrote this. It’s gotta be true!
LOL.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:45 pm
A preview of the positions to be addressed in the draft, maybe.
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Schit. I didn’t even see this line. You’re right, P-man, I am a dumb*ss. But the non-Kell type.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jets cut Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, backup saftey Eric Smith and Otackle Jason smith. We need all these positions but don’t really know much about the two Smith’s.
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What do you guys think of Bart Scott as MLB and Burris on the outside and nickel situations? A vet in the middle of D might help it develop with a savvy signal caller.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Our #3 overall for St. Louis’ 16th & 23rd?
Would Fisher want to move up?
I can see Arizona wanting to move up to our pick for either Geno or a top LT.
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B@uce been yellin for the last month about a trade with Rams who need a center….but if Geno Smith isnt number 1 it may be Joeckel who the Rams would love to have blocking for Bradford
3rd pick is worth 2200 points on draft value chart
16th and 22nd pick dont even equate points wise to 3rd pick….so they would have to toss in a 2nd or 3rd I say
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I’d gladly make that trade. As Mayock says, this is not a top-heavy draft. There’s not a huge difference between pick 5 and 25. I think he’s right about that.
I’d be just as happy if we could land Alex Okafor at 16 as if we stood pat and got Damontre Moore at 3. I think they’re very close and most projections have Okafor going 15-25 and Moore going top 5. Ideally, I’d probably make that trade, make the pick at 16 and try to trade No. 23 for a couple more picks if possible.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:14 pm
Scourge,
I don’t think we have any idea who will be targeted in what round. A lot depends on the team’s priorities come draft day. Free agency has an impact on a team’s draft board also.
I think we might be able to get little clues as to the positions they’re looking at, but there’s way too much information that none of us has to make any predictions as to who we take, and where.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:16 pm
The Big Banana Says:
Are they taking it back, or another writer that doesn’t know what he writes about.
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Every writer I can think of has said that the Raiders will certainly void Seymours contract. Or it’s assumed. Or likely. Unofficially official. Per unidentified league sources. A few have said it automatically voided. Kawakami for one. Incorrect.
Richard Seymour is a Raider who’s contract has not been officially voided and remains a Raider on Injured Reserve.
My understanding is that if the Raiders void his contract, they must tell the NFL and they will in turn release that news about a day later.
I don’t care if Seymour is still a Raider or not, but we have no fricking idea what there doing, nor do the sportswriters.
Keep on keeping on, Reggie. We’ll find out eventually.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Rantsports doesn’t like Palmer? Well, that does it for me. Can him.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
I’m almost sure Goodell said the NFL would “give” 200 million to the Raiders toward a new stadium.
They supposedly have Raiders coaches at the Combine to help us make the “right picks” to help make us better.
Why? Cuz they know a team with no hope would be a tuff sell for the LA fans and investors?
Why renig on the offer to “give’ the Raiders money for a new stadium in Oakland?
Do they already know Mark’s intentions to sell to the LA group…or give up majority ownership?
It all seems weird.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
IF our Defense gets a lot younger with a rebuild thru the Draft, a vet Contract for Bart Scott might help a younger defense develop as a Defensive “signal caller” in the middle.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
ET, I agree about making predictions about who might get drafted, etc., I never do for the reasons you mentioned. I was just thinking it might indicate the positions that might be of most concern to the team.
It’s just interesting that you’d bring your quarterback coach and leave your asst. head coach at home (even if on the phone with you).
February 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Candidates for release
1. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders quarterback: The Jets get much-deserved attention for their bloated contracts, but former owner Al Davis left general manager Reggie McKenzie in a salary-cap hell of his own. The most egregious example is the nearly $14 million in dead money left behind from free agent Richard Seymour’s contract. Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut. In full-blown rebuilding mode, the Raiders may find that it makes more sense to give Terrelle Pryor a one-year trial run.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140448/article/afc-veterans-on-the-roster-bubble
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Don’t like Rant sports. How about NFL.com?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jets cut Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, backup saftey Eric Smith and Otackle Jason smith. We need all these positions but don’t really know much about the two Smith’s.
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What do you guys think of Bart Scott as MLB and Burris on the outside and nickel situations? A vet in the middle of D might help it develop with a savvy signal caller.
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Scott was a pretty big disappointment with the Jets. He’s a vocal, veteran guy with some passion. Maybe I’d take a flier with a one-year, vet minimum type contract.
Eric Smith is a JAG (just a guy).
I haven’t watched Jason Smith terribly closely, but he’s been a pretty major disappointment after being the No. 2 overall pick in 2009. Again, could be worth a flier based on physical tools, if we get him for a low-ball deal and hope that maybe he finally grows into the player teams hoped he’d be.
Pace is a 32-year-old OLB and his production has declined of late, though he’s looked very good at times in his career. Probably, because of need, another of these guys who’s worth a low-money offer and if he doesn’t take it it’s no huge loss.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
I’m almost sure Goodell said the NFL would “give” 200 million to the Raiders toward a new stadium.
They supposedly have Raiders coaches at the Combine to help us make the “right picks” to help make us better.
Why? Cuz they know a team with no hope would be a tuff sell for the LA fans and investors?
Why renig on the offer to “give’ the Raiders money for a new stadium in Oakland?
Do they already know Mark’s intentions to sell to the LA group…or give up majority ownership?
It all seems weird.
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Read the damn article. Coliseum City doesn’t make financial sense without the A’s, Warriors.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Ranking Top 32 QB’s going into 2013
#24. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders
The tread is starting to wear thin on Palmer’s tires as the veteran tries to stay at the top of the Raiders quarterback depth chart. Health concerns, caused by poor pass protection, have Palmer visiting the injured list all too often. If Terrelle Pryor is really in competition for the 2013 starting spot, Palmer should just call it a career.
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Palmer visiting the injured list “far too often”?
Once in 3 yr’s? For two games?
Am I mistaken on that?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:27 pm
The only downside with B. Scott if his age and potential injury concerns have slowed him down. But might be worth a look at about 6-7 million in a one-two year deal?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Candidates for release
1. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders quarterback: The Jets get much-deserved attention for their bloated contracts, but former owner Al Davis left general manager Reggie McKenzie in a salary-cap hell of his own. The most egregious example is the nearly $14 million in dead money left behind from free agent Richard Seymour’s contract. Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut. In full-blown rebuilding mode, the Raiders may find that it makes more sense to give Terrelle Pryor a one-year trial run.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140448/article/afc-veterans-on-the-roster-bubble
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Don’t like Rant sports. How about NFL.com?
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Ur a moron Palmer will reconstruct and ur boy TP will hold his jock again get over it old troll
February 19th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Jets cut Bart Scott, Calvin Pace, backup saftey Eric Smith and Otackle Jason smith. We need all these positions but don’t really know much about the two Smith’s.
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What do you guys think of Bart Scott as MLB and Burris on the outside and nickel situations? A vet in the middle of D might help it develop with a savvy signal caller.
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Scott was a pretty big disappointment with the Jets. He’s a vocal, veteran guy with some passion. Maybe I’d take a flier with a one-year, vet minimum type contract.
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Yeah that’s what I was thinking too. Scott could be a good “transition” player for a couple years. Even if we go LB in the draft he could help our younger guys along until they are ready.
LB is a position of need here, for sure.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
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MAYBE a flier on Scott for LB depth what do you think?
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
936.Scourge Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
ET, I agree about making predictions about who might get drafted, etc., I never do for the reasons you mentioned. I was just thinking it might indicate the positions that might be of most concern to the team.
It’s just interesting that you’d bring your quarterback coach and leave your asst. head coach at home (even if on the phone with you).
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If I was concerned about it (which I’m not; pretty sure Reggie and DA have a plan) I would consider Olson’s absence more of an issue than Sparano’s. Sparano, despite the other title, is still just the o-line coach. Olson runs the entire offense.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
ian85 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Candidates for release
1. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders quarterback: The Jets get much-deserved attention for their bloated contracts, but former owner Al Davis left general manager Reggie McKenzie in a salary-cap hell of his own. The most egregious example is the nearly $14 million in dead money left behind from free agent Richard Seymour’s contract. Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut. In full-blown rebuilding mode, the Raiders may find that it makes more sense to give Terrelle Pryor a one-year trial run.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140448/article/afc-veterans-on-the-roster-bubble
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Don’t like Rant sports. How about NFL.com?
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Ur a moron Palmer will reconstruct and ur boy TP will hold his jock again get over it old troll
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“Reconstruct”???? You mean RESTRUCTURE Sht for Brains??? Did you graduate from 5th grade??
February 19th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
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I’d rather we take a look at Calvin Pace.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
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MAYBE a flier on Scott for LB depth what do you think?
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Na. Scott was being phased out in NY. After 11 years in the league that can’t be a good sign.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Raidertalk Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
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MAYBE a flier on Scott for LB depth what do you think?
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He had 36 tackles 2.5 sacks…………………..32 yrs old……………not excited, but hey.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Jason Smith might be a better option. Former lst rounder, RT, he has to be better than Willie Smith.
February 19th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
946. ET, good point re: Olson. Thanks.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
“Reconstruct”???? You mean RESTRUCTURE Sht for Brains??? Did you graduate from 5th grade??
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HAHA this coming from the guy who thinks Russell with take Tom Brady’s job ur a CLOWN Debo STFU
February 19th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
Bart Scott got cut today, so the Raiders should gobble him up?
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Like you do Beeech?!
February 19th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Tanking seasons in the hopes of getting lucky with the following season’s #1 pick is not the best business decision right now.
The only way more support is gonna be generated amongst the fans and the business that the league is saying is needed… is by WINNING.
Raiders can tell the fans and businesses till they are blue in the face not to worry cuz Reggie is “doing things the right way”, but it isn’t gonna help things giving us another 4-12 season.
There’s a reason they want us to make the right picks by having Raider coaches at the Combine…the league wants us to WIN.
It sounds like the league doesn’t wanna dump 200 mill. for a stadium of a team that isn’t getting the support.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
Don’t like Rant sports. How about NFL.com?
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We’ll just take yours and Miss Ticks opinion.
Who else matters?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
Don’t like Rant sports. How about NFL.com?
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We’ll just take yours and Miss Ticks opinion.
Who else matters?
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NFL.com dumbass?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:09 pm
Tanking seasons in the hopes of getting lucky with the following season’s #1 pick is not the best business decision right now.
The only way more support is gonna be generated amongst the fans and the business that the league is saying is needed… is by WINNING.
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Reason number 3000 that the Raiders are not going to tank the season by dumping CP or any other of our better players.
Maybe some people here think its exciting to watch a dude learning how to throw the football, but I am not sure I would plunk down season ticket money to watch it…
February 19th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
[snip]
NFL.com dumbass?
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So you know a dumbass at NFL.com, pootbutt
February 19th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Scourge Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:29 pm
[snip]
NFL.com dumbass?
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So you know a dumbass at NFL.com, pootbutt
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Get a life dumbass.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
Hey Purvert
1. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders quarterback: The Jets get much-deserved attention for their bloated contracts, but former owner Al Davis left general manager Reggie McKenzie in a salary-cap hell of his own. The most egregious example is the nearly $14 million in dead money left behind from free agent Richard Seymour’s contract. Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut. In full-blown rebuilding mode, the Raiders may find that it makes more sense to give Terrelle Pryor a one-year trial run.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000140448/article/afc-veterans-on-the-roster-bubble
February 19th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Get a life dumbass.
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Why should I? It might end up like yours!
February 19th, 2013 at 9:40 pm
Candidates for release
1. Terrel Pryor. Let’s be honest, Pryor couldn’t throw a pass and hit water if he was drowning in it. Not only that but his decision making is atrocious. And then there is his off the field decision making which is even worse. The reason the Raiders did not start him last season was it would have been completely embarrassing to everyone involved. Best idea might be to pay Shane Lechler and move him up the depth chart to the number two QB.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
Ranking Top 32 QB’s going into 2013
#24. Carson Palmer, Oakland Raiders
The tread is starting to wear thin on Palmer’s tires as the veteran tries to stay at the top of the Raiders quarterback depth chart. Health concerns, caused by poor pass protection, have Palmer visiting the injured list all too often. If Terrelle Pryor is really in competition for the 2013 starting spot, Palmer should just call it a career.
Read more at http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/02/05/top-30-nfl-quarterbacks-heading-into-2013-season/?uu77PkR3ZAgyqcTR.99
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Missing two games is “too often?”
People get paid to write this trash? CP has thrown 400 less passes than Eli Manning… anyone talking about him retiring?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I am on record as having enjoyed the Kerry Collins days because, even though I didn’t see the Raiders as a threat,they were fun to watch. I enjoyed watching them play the game of football. I had previously and did subsequently and then came Jamarcus. That became painful, not despite but because of his occasional flashes of ?eptitude?. 4th down, 27yard strike to Watkins at Arrowhead in the 4th quarter comes to mind. But he sucked and the Bruce was the next time it was fun to watch,even while knowing he wasn’t the answer.
So, truth be told, from an entertainment point of view, Pryor and Palmer are already even. I really like both. But I want to win as many games as possible this year and do not think Pryor gives us the best chance to do that.
Judging by the Sparano and Olsen hires, neither do Reggie and DA.
Soldier on Palmer and screw the doubters. It’s your time. Pardon the Knapp interruption.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Scourge Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Get a life dumbass.
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Why should I? It might end up like yours!
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Maybe you’d get a chance to see the world, and get out of your mama’s house? Maybe continue your education, put together some pieces of Real Estate?
Instead of just being an Internet Troll, Dumbass.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
People get paid to write this trash?
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That is the problem with the new internet news. Anyone can say anything about anyone with no repercussions. Wasn’t Gruden coming back here about three months ago?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
958,
Gdog, that’s right.
Ok, so the league wants us to win, we have the 4th easiest schedule, we’re going back to the power scheme offensively…..
Optimisim for 2013.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:42 pm
I am on record as having enjoyed the Kerry Collins days because, even though I didn’t see the Raiders as a threat,they were fun to watch. I enjoyed watching them play the game of football. I had previously and did subsequently and then came Jamarcus. That became painful, not despite but because of his occasional flashes of ?eptitude?. 4th down, 27yard strike to Watkins at Arrowhead in the 4th quarter comes to mind. But he sucked and the Bruce was the next time it was fun to watch,even while knowing he wasn’t the answer.
So, truth be told, from an entertainment point of view, Pryor and Palmer are already even. I really like both. But I want to win as many games as possible this year and do not think Pryor gives us the best chance to do that.
Judging by the Sparano and Olsen hires, neither do Reggie and DA.
Soldier on Palmer and screw the doubters. It’s your time. Pardon the Knapp interruption.
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Well said. In fact, very well said.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut.
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13 Mill is not a lot of money for a QB, and CP will almost certainly take a small pay cut and restructure (which will ensure his starting job for TWO years.)
February 19th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Whiney btches, speculation about Palmer’s future is all over the Internet. Perfectly natural when you go 8-16 with a 13 mill salary.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:45 pm
Scheduled to earn $13 million himself, Palmer has no chance of returning as the starter unless he takes a pay cut.
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13 Mill is not a lot of money for a QB, and CP will almost certainly take a small pay cut and restructure (which will ensure his starting job for TWO years.)
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I don’t think he will take a pay cut. Why should he? And if we release him, all we do is let him go to KC with Jammal Charles, Dwayne Bowe and 6 other Pro Bowl players, and then they draft Joekel. We help them two ways, and hurt ourselves badly. That would not be very smart.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Palmer may take a pay cut but I wouldn’t doubt that one of the “conditions” will be that they get him some people…or at least one person who can be reliable and catch the ball.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:53 pm
The Raiders might have 6 picks in the last 2 rounds, theres is a good chance these 6 picks could be all specialists.
- punter
- kicker
- QB
- Long snapper
- Punt returner
- fullback
February 19th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
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Maybe you’d get a chance to see the world, and get out of your mama’s house? Maybe continue your education, put together some pieces of Real Estate?
Instead of just being an Internet Troll, Dumbass.
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This sounds too well written and punctuated to be the real KK.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
Hey Purvert
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I keep telling you I like Pryor. You’re delusional if you think he’s a better option at QB for the next two years.
I tried desperately to find an article critical of Pryors talents and potential as a rebuttal to your asinine Palmer hate, but I couldn’t find even one. How about that, Kell.
Yuo’re much more skilled at finding, copying, and pasting than I, So could you find one?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Man, I d be turrified if Palmer went to KC. Lol.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Scourge Says:
This sounds too well written and punctuated to be the real KK.
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Called you a dumbass! Would the real KK do that?
February 19th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
Yuo’re much more skilled at finding, copying, and pasting than I, So could you find one?
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I’m a lot more skilled than you in a lot of things, dumbass. Including thinking.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
I don’t think he will take a pay cut. Why should he? And if we release him, all we do is let him go to KC with Jammal Charles, Dwayne Bowe and 6 other Pro Bowl players, and then they draft Joekel. We help them two ways, and hurt ourselves badly. That would not be very smart.
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He might do it simply to sign more free agents.
And I’ve floated CP to KC too… although I think he wants to stay on the west coast. He’d be scary good with that running game…
February 19th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
I keep telling you I like Pryor. You’re delusional if you think he’s a better option at QB for the next two years.
I tried desperately to find an article critical of Pryors talents and potential as a rebuttal to your asinine Palmer hate, but I couldn’t find even one. How about that, Kell.
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I don’t hate Palmer or anybody else, dumbass.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Highest paid running back in the league: Adrian Peterson. Defending League MVP, 5 time All Pro, AP Almost broke the NFL Rushing Record coming back from a bad ACL injury. Number two highest paid: Chris Johnson, who has the MOST combined yards for a player in a single season and ran for over 1200 yards last year. Number three in cap hit: Darren McFadden. McFadden has had an injury plagued career basically doing nothing for five years. In fact, Chris Johnson has run for as many yards his lst two years that McFadden has done in his career.
February 19th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Kell, I dropped a good healthy kell a little while ago and my pants already fit better. Thanks.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
I’m a lot more skilled than you in a lot of things, dumbass. Including thinking.
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You do intend to exhibit this skill one of years, right?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Scourge Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:59 pm
Kell, I dropped a good healthy kell a little while ago and my pants already fit better. Thanks.
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Right in your mother’s oatmeal?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
One of these years.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
I’m a lot more skilled than you in a lot of things, dumbass. Including thinking.
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You do intend to exhibit this skill one of years, right?
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You know it as well as I do. That’s why you follow me around like a little Btch.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Man, I d be turrified if Palmer went to KC. Lol.
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And you wonder why nobody gives any credence to you opinions?
It would be a perfect fit for his skill set. Reid would be doing backflips to pick him up! Plus it would allow them to pick Joeckel instead of holding their nose and picking Geno. A double whammy to us.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
I have to drop my kells later in the evening as a result of discussions with the sewer dept. It’s the best time they can arrange to have extra crews in on overtime. Also, at that time the school children are home asleep as are the local elderly residents so temporary evacuations aren’t necessary.
The last healthy kell I sent them caught the poor b*stards off guard and caused all sorts of problems.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
Whiney btches, speculation about Palmer’s future is all over the Internet. Perfectly natural when you go 8-16 with a 13 mill salary.
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Most of the speculation is other teams hoping we’re dumb(dumbass) enough to let him go ‘cuz they want him.
Kell, money on the line(or the Rolex your wifes dad gave you) who is starting QB game one 2013 for the Raiders?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:09 pm
The Raiders are trying to rework a few guys like Kelly or Heyward-Bey. If they can do it, great, if not, adios.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Man, I d be turrified if Palmer went to KC. Lol.
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And you wonder why nobody gives any credence to you opinions?
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More credence that yours, Dummy.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Gnite Dumbass’s
February 19th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
You know it as well as I do. That’s why you follow me around like a little Btch.
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Isn’t it time to masturbate with the EnglandRaider handle now? Or did you actually pick up on your faux pas the other night, troll?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Kell, I just got a call from the sewer dept. foreman. It seems the kell I sent them a little while a go tried to sell him some real estate. And mentioned something about a “d*mned bowl cut.”
February 19th, 2013 at 10:14 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
I don’t think he will take a pay cut. Why should he? And if we release him, all we do is let him go to KC with Jammal Charles, Dwayne Bowe and 6 other Pro Bowl players, and then they draft Joekel. We help them two ways, and hurt ourselves badly. That would not be very smart.
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He might do it simply to sign more free agents.
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While I might agree with you, the Raiders are in such financial disarray they have to get rid of the unproductive guys, not Carson Palmer.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Denver and San diego would laugh their azzes off if we cut Palmer.
Unless Kansas City pounced(they would) and then they’d say “Oh, Fck”.
So would I.
AFC West Peyton, Palmer, Rivers, and….us.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Denver and San diego would laugh their azzes off if we cut Palmer.
Unless Kansas City pounced(they would) and then they’d say “Oh, Fck”.
So would I.
AFC West Peyton, Palmer, Rivers, and….us.
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Exactly. Not to mention ANOTHER lst round and 2nd round pick that netted us absolutely nothing.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Kell’s troll sucked me in again, I’m ashamed to say. Wouldn’t have happened if I wasn’t drinking. Oh, well, I’ll stick with the drink.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
Yeah, P-man, I had to wonder about what was going on. I’m kinda beat and it was hard to tell at first.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
I thought that was the real KK. You could tell because he kept posting the same things over and over ad nauseum.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
People get paid to write this trash?
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That is the problem with the new internet news. Anyone can say anything about anyone with no repercussions. Wasn’t Gruden coming back here about three months ago?
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Don’t forget my favorite. Seymour isn’t a Raider. Everyone knows it. Kawakami said his contract automatically voided. Wrong. Lots of assumptions.
And I agree, Problem is, he’s still a Raider and they haven’t voided his contract. Everything else is pure speculation.
Google ‘Richard Seymour contract Voided’ news.
Nothing there.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:31 pm
Kell gets snippy, but rarely downright offensive.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Jason Smith might be a better option. Former lst rounder, RT, he has to be better than Willie Smith.
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Should be cheap too.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Scourge Says:
Yeah, P-man, I had to wonder about what was going on. I’m kinda beat and it was hard to tell at first.
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I am too. They threatened a foot of snow which starts getting serious, so when 5-6 inches accumulated I started driving the vehicles up and downthe drive ways and shoveling walkways and gates and all that crap. They lied, but I believed the part about 25 degrees tonight and that means jigging all the llama waterers and hose bibs etc,etc..
On top of all the usual.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Dumbass
February 19th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
I’m better than Willie Smith! And I’m not even 6 foot tall and maybe 200lb’s in shape(I’m not) and twice his age. He was an atrocity. Plain an simple. Khalif Barnes is hall of fame by comparison. How bad do you have to be to think that?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Couldn’t help that. Now, back to Raider chat and trolling.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:44 pm
February 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
P-man, when do you sleep?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:10 pm
Gnite Dumbass’s
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nite-nite.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Who you calling a dumbass, DUMBASS?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:47 pm
How you be Mr P?
February 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:18 pm
Denver and San diego would laugh their azzes off if we cut Palmer.
Unless Kansas City pounced(they would) and then they’d say “Oh, Fck”.
So would I.
AFC West Peyton, Palmer, Rivers, and….us
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…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
He might do it simply to sign more free agents.
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While I might agree with you, the Raiders are in such financial disarray they have to get rid of the unproductive guys, not Carson Palmer.
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I didn’t mean they would cut him… not happening. I think he will simply take a pay cut AND restructure again.
It would give him two more years here, and keep him close to his home. Raiders will add more guaranteed money to sweeten the pot.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:51 pm
If you happen to be a dumbass, does that mean you have shlt for brains? Or if you have shlt for brains, does that make you a dumbass? To be or not to be.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
DUMBASS Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Who you calling a dumbass, DUMBASS?
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Not many handles make me laugh the first time I see ‘em.
Please keep it. That’s funny.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:52 pm
Knocked out by ten last night. I’m fortified with beer tonight. I have no schedule, but feel guilty come daybreak not liberating the chickens and guinnea fowl(if any went to bed, instead of the trees, which is safer).
February 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
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Or just a few guys with a growing contingent of sock puppets…
February 19th, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Troll Master Says:
To be or not to be.
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Scourge might say; “To Kell, or not to Kell”.
February 19th, 2013 at 10:57 pm
It’s JFB, who else could it be?
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DUMBASS Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:45 pm
Who you calling a dumbass, DUMBASS?
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February 19th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
Well, P-man, DJJ, TM, G…
I’m beat. Need to crash big time. Good night!!
February 19th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
These are the questions that weigh heavily on our bowels.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Kell is the 2 door ‘57 Chevy of this blog.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
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Gdog Says:
Or just a few guys with a growing contingent of sock puppets…
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I think the hiring of Sparano and Olsen tells us all we need to know.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:02 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:59 pm
These are the questions that weigh heavily on our bowels.
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Irreconcilable Bowel Syndrome. Ouch.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:03 pm
Have a pleasent evening Scourge.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
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Or just a few guys with a growing contingent of sock puppets…
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Ha. Yes…that may be more accurate.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Mr. P is fine. You?
February 19th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
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Or just a few guys with a growing contingent of sock puppets…
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Get ready to made to look bad, llets see if you hav ethe guts to keep your name or will you get ready to become someone else like the Dr Dude. He disappeared because he saw the writing on the wall. Now he can come back as someone else thinking no one will know by thaet time.
Pryor is going to shut a lot of folks up very shortly…
February 19th, 2013 at 11:06 pm
Perfect emoticon for that, TM.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:08 pm
Priest
Dr. Nob = Beecham’s Gay Lover
’nuff said
February 19th, 2013 at 11:11 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
Not many handles make me laugh the first time I see ‘em.
Please keep it. That’s funny.
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I can’t do that, DJ. You’re already responsible for ‘full disclosure’ giving way to ‘eternal optimist’
February 19th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:04 pm
Mr. P is fine. You?
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Just got in from watching Skyfall. Didn’t like it. Sorry to all 007 apologists out there in advance. I wonder if Reggie and Allen liked it.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
16th and 22nd pick dont even equate points wise to 3rd pick….so they would have to toss in a 2nd or 3rd I say
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I’d probably take it. But I’d push for that 2nd and 3rd and take a 4th.
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I would take it as well and get additional 5th in this years draft or a 2nd in next years draft.
If McK can get the 16th and 22nd pick, he can always trade up or down from there using those picks as ammo.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Confirmed trolls
Dr. Robert/Beecham’s Gay Lover (confessed)
Seymour/Oakglenn (obvious)
Mistic/Derek (in denial)
MR/Sullivan/Alex7/Albert Bigelow Paine (come on, do we really need a confession?)
Fake KoolKell/Fake Mistic/Dan78/Richochet (evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt)
February 19th, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
llets see if you hav ethe guts to keep your name or will you get ready to become someone else like the Dr Dude. He disappeared because he saw the writing on the wall. Now he can come back as someone else thinking no one will know by thaet time.
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Said he was giving up the blog for lent and wouldn’t be back ’till Easter. I figured he’d convert to Zoroastrianism or buddhism or something and be back lickety split, but so far, so good.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:19 pm
Skyfall was good. The hot Bond girl in the beginning died to quick though. Bardem is the chit!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Most surprising of all, no Dr_Rob=no Miss Tick. Like I’ve been saying, MR grew up and took an advanced course in trolling and blog disruption and came back as both. The better to suck more people in. Neither ever got upset when I floated the theory.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Confirmed trolls
Dr. Robert/Beecham’s Gay Lover (confessed)
Seymour/Oakglenn (obvious)
Mistic/Derek (in denial)
MR/Sullivan/Alex7/Albert Bigelow Paine (come on, do we really need a confession?)
Fake KoolKell/Fake Mistic/Dan78/Richochet (evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt)
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McFadden20/McFadden20
February 19th, 2013 at 11:22 pm
Troll Patrol,
I thought Dr. Rob merely confessed to being Beeeeech Dawg (adding more “e’s) but not to the gay lover.
One thing is interesting. Ever since Dr. Rob announced he was leaving for lent…we haven’t seen Mistic around.
I don’t know why…just weird.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Troll Master Says:
Just got in from watching Skyfall. Didn’t like it. Sorry to all 007 apologists out there in advance. I wonder if Reggie and Allen liked it.
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Is that the third Daniel Craig ‘Bond’? I did like the first one.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Most surprising of all, no Dr_Rob=no Miss Tick. Like I’ve been saying, MR grew up and took an advanced course in trolling and blog disruption and came back as both. The better to suck more people in. Neither ever got upset when I floated the theory.
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Wooops. Sorry Purvis. I see u already addressed this.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Most surprising of all, no Dr_Rob=no Miss Tick. Like I’ve been saying, MR grew up and took an advanced course in trolling and blog disruption and came back as both. The better to suck more people in. Neither ever got upset when I floated the theory.
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Quite a bomb you dropped there.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Troll Master Says:
Just got in from watching Skyfall. Didn’t like it. Sorry to all 007 apologists out there in advance. I wonder if Reggie and Allen liked it.
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Is that the third Daniel Craig ‘Bond’? I did like the first one.
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Think so. Are you talking the first one where he got his nutt sack beat to pulp?
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:15 pm
Confirmed trolls
Dr. Robert/Beecham’s Gay Lover (confessed)
Seymour/Oakglenn (obvious)
Mistic/Derek (in denial)
MR/Sullivan/Alex7/Albert Bigelow Paine (come on, do we really need a confession?)
Fake KoolKell/Fake Mistic/Dan78/Richochet (evidence proves beyond reasonable doubt)
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Purvisman
Intrepid
Full Disclosure
Eternal Optimist
Golden Haired Hero
DUMBASS(one time only,so far)
That’s it
except for one secret one I pull out of my azz on rare occasions.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny. That’s what he says but we all know better. Beecham’s Gay Lover’s posts had Dr. Nob written all over him. Same humor. Desparate.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:05 pm
Gdog Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 10:53 pm
…and our guy Pryor. There’s a growing contingent here who think he’s the best of all of ‘em.
>>>
Or just a few guys with a growing contingent of sock puppets…
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Get ready to made to look bad, llets see if you hav ethe guts to keep your name or will you get ready to become someone else like the Dr Dude. He disappeared because he saw the writing on the wall. Now he can come back as someone else thinking no one will know by thaet time.
Pryor is going to shut a lot of folks up very shortly…
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For the record…and i’ve said it before many times..I would LOVE Pryor to succeed. I have NEVER said he wouldn’t.
Just cuz some of us aren’t 100% convinced he’s the next elite QB of the Raiders doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be doing back flips of happiness if he is.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny. That’s what he says but we all know better. Beecham’s Gay Lover’s posts had Dr. Nob written all over him. Same humor. Desparate.
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Beeechams Gay Lover was here today looking for the Beeech.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:32 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny. That’s what he says but we all know better. Beecham’s Gay Lover’s posts had Dr. Nob written all over him. Same humor. Desparate.
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Ok. I thought the same thing, just didn’t think he had admitted it.
BTW, I didn’t realize Troll Patrol was you until you said it was.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
Troll Master Says:
Think so. Are you talking the first one where he got his nutt sack beat to pulp?
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That wasn’t the scene I wanted to remember, but yes.
Quantum of Solace not so good.
But all better than Roger Moore’s Bond.
Probably not his fault, I loved him on tv in ‘The Saint’
February 19th, 2013 at 11:33 pm
…excuse me sorry…didn’t realize you were “Dumbass”.
It’s getting late.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
DJ Johnny. That was Purvis apparently. See post 1046. Funny man this Purvis.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:29 pm
DJ Johnny. That’s what he says but we all know better. Beecham’s Gay Lover’s posts had Dr. Nob written all over him. Same humor. Desparate.
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Yeah, wasn’t near as subtle as the most knowledgeable man on the blog had hoped.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:36 pm
That is all for me for the night. I have not had to work nearly as hard since Dr. Nob excused himself for a while. Hmmm….
This is Troll Patrol signing off….
February 19th, 2013 at 11:37 pm
Agree DJ about Pryor. What bothers me is the hate by a couple of people for him. Pryor was the last pick if Mr Davis. I hope when he gets in the game he tears it up. I’m glad he wears Silver and Black. Just can’t understand why some feel the need to bag on him.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
I’ve got to hit it myself. I’m on central standard time.
Nite Purvis, Troll Patrol and others…
February 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Another funny by Purvis. Yes Dr. Nob was quite full of himself. Most douche bags are that way.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
DJ Johnny. That was Purvis apparently. See post 1046. Funny man this Purvis.
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Oh no you don’t. DJ, pay attention, man.
You gotta know your Dumbass from your DUMBASS!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:40 pm
1056,
Right. I like Pryor AND Palmer. Some people have trouble getting that.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:42 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 19th, 2013 at 11:39 pm
Troll Patrol Says:
DJ Johnny. That was Purvis apparently. See post 1046. Funny man this Purvis.
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Oh no you don’t. DJ, pay attention, man.
You gotta know your Dumbass from your DUMBASS
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I got ya. I noticed there were two different ones.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:43 pm
i guess I should say;
‘You gotta know your Dumbass from your DUMBASS!, dumbass!’
February 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
You should go to bed, Central Time.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:44 pm
Peace Out!
February 19th, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Looks like the Lady Chiefs cut Boss and Steve Breaston:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/19/chiefs-cut-steve-breaston-kevin-boss/
Steve B would make nice addition to the receiving corps, and he’s only 29. Still, probably won’t have enough money to sign him
February 19th, 2013 at 11:47 pm
Night all.
February 19th, 2013 at 11:54 pm
For the record…and i’ve said it before many times..I would LOVE Pryor to succeed. I have NEVER said he wouldn’t.
Just cuz some of us aren’t 100% convinced he’s the next elite QB of the Raiders doesn’t mean we wouldn’t be doing back flips of happiness if he is.
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Wool yea… how could the Raiders lose IF Pryor beats CP out and wins the starting job? That means he’s a top ten QB! He WOULD be the Raiders savior! Like Kap beating Smith out! But I don’t think that is what this is about… the people wanting Pryor to start now aren’t interested in him earning the job.
They want the Raiders to dump CP and hand the job to him simply because of his skin color (I’m guessing here, nothing else makes sense).
I think that is a dangerous, reckless, and irresponsible way to run a franchise. Thats why I don’t see it happening.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Gdog Says:
13 Mill is not a lot of money for a QB, and CP will almost certainly take a small pay cut and restructure (which will ensure his starting job for TWO years.)
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That’s what I’m talking about. Say it with me brothers;
Hallelujah.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am
Gdog Says:
But I don’t think that is what this is about… the people wanting Pryor to start now aren’t interested in him earning the job.
They want the Raiders to dump CP and hand the job to him simply because of his skin color (I’m guessing here, nothing else makes sense)
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Unfortunately it’s obvious. A super athletic 4.35/40 running, 6′5 ,235 lb. QB with unquestionable talent and work ethic and with less than proven NFL passing and decision making skills that happenened to be brown or white would be excoriated by the anti Palmer contingent on this blog.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:14 am
Go Raiders!!! Re-Sign Pwill and Dez!!!!
February 20th, 2013 at 4:21 am
Neither Wheeler nor Bryant played well enough to warrant a franchise tag.
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@ Bcz
neither did Branch !!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:21 am
Neither Wheeler nor Bryant played well enough to warrant a franchise tag.
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@ Bcz
neither did Branch !!
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PFF had him the 14th rated safety in 2011. He slipped to 33rd last year.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:58 am
They don’t deserve the tag but they are two guys that the Raiders desperately need to resign if they want to change the culture they both play hard every down!!!
They are both “BoarHunters”
February 20th, 2013 at 5:59 am
And that’s what we need on defense “BoarHunters”
February 20th, 2013 at 6:11 am
Reggie is asleep at the wheel.
Other teams are making moves to clear space.
Not a peep from Shrek.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:17 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 20th, 2013 at 6:21 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
1076.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 6:17 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
What’s up Mike?
February 20th, 2013 at 6:22 am
For those of you that never got the chance to hear the great Bill King;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yOXwqBqW60
Ken Korach is apparently working on a Bill King biography. This video came from the book’s Facebook page.
Enjoy.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Bill King…a Legend!!!
February 20th, 2013 at 6:27 am
morning Hwnrdr.
slave to the grind this morning .. hows things on your coast ??
February 20th, 2013 at 6:28 am
My computer this morning had the blue screen of death, so I had to do a hard restart! Then my programs weren’t coming on, so I had to log off and do it again, and then…well, by then I walked outside! LOL
Other than that, its all good!
February 20th, 2013 at 6:32 am
Blue Death Monkey
February 20th, 2013 at 6:34 am
1081.
I hate it when that happens. What really creeps me out is when I have to call the IT guy who remotely goes to my desktop and moves my mouse for me opening up and closing programs, reformatting, etc. I don’t know why but it sends shivers down my spine seeing the icon dance around my screen on its own.
February 20th, 2013 at 6:36 am
LOL, Guest! I know, right?
1082.jesusraiderjim Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 6:32 am
Blue Death Monkey
LOL
February 20th, 2013 at 6:43 am
No disrespect intended to Papa. Well maybe a little…
He will never hold a candle to the great Bill King. RIP
February 20th, 2013 at 6:43 am
Lets make OUR cuts fatman!
February 20th, 2013 at 6:50 am
POST-1085 X 100.NO MORE LISTENING TO RADIO PLAY BY PLAY WHILE WATCHING GAME ON TV..PAPA STINKS ON ICE..BILL KING = A 3 SPORT LEGEND.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:17 am
Sites gone hinky
February 20th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Lousy Play by Play Monkey= PaPa
I used to love listening to him when I was little (40 some yrs ago).
His insight into yhe game was great and I think he hated the Queefs as much as we did.
No Raider could do any wrong in his eyes.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:31 am
My cousin wrote for the ‘Trib for years, and did a piece in print on Bill King after he died (as did a lot of others).
King was a great person, very, very quirky, and someone who was always looking to help out the young guys trying to get in the business.
Crazy thing about King, is that he as so knowledgeable about sports, yet NEVER watched our read about sports in his off time. Like NEVER, was more into Russian theater or poetry or crazy artist things.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:36 am
I am still holding out hope for my Dee Milner, Jonathan Cyprien, Honey Badger trifecta in the draft.
I hatched about 4 different mock drafts on my 5 hour drive to El Paso yesterday, lol.
One of them included trading our early 6th and TK to the Patriots for their 3rd next year.
Also had us trading down to #7 for the Cards so they could draft Barkeley, and getting their 3rd.
The possibilities to daydream are endless……..
February 20th, 2013 at 7:40 am
I just dont see barkley going in the top 10.. i could see him sliding.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:46 am
What a bout cp3 to the bills?
February 20th, 2013 at 7:52 am
It could happen, or either a trade back with them so they can draft a QB.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am
Im looking at the bills and cards as teams that might think cp can be the final piece to push them into the playoffs.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am
It seems like the Org has realized that they need to build around the players they got – which is great – and not stubbornly stick to a system and force implimentation. Guys come and go, and shelf life gets shorter and shorter. Teams like Oregon – who have a SOLID system – can recruit and plug in players and have sustained success. We GOT no system….Got NO identity…. We have to figure out what we have, and let our boys do what they do best, and roll with it. Then maybe we start to develop an identity that the team can rally around, be proud of, and take ownership of.
February 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am
What’s up with the Jets cuts, they’re all positions we need. Calvin Pace, Bart Scott, Eric Smith & Justin Smith.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:01 am
What has Reggie done???
February 20th, 2013 at 8:03 am
It doesn’t matter
February 20th, 2013 at 8:07 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 7:57 am
What’s up with the Jets cuts, they’re all positions we need. Calvin Pace, Bart Scott, Eric Smith & Justin Smith.
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Jets are in absolute salary cap hell, and they are doing the right thing getting rid of unproductive crap. We should do the same thing and eat it for a year.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:07 am
I was never impressed with him, but AZ HAS TO take a QB IMO, in either round 1 or 2.
And being a West Coast dome team, Smith and Barkeley (warm weather guys) seem more of a fit in AZ then say Buffalo.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Jason Smith got waived yesterday, the former #2 pick in the 2009 draft.
He makes DHB look like a steal in that draft.
I think Joekel might have the same fate as Smith. One of these “dominant” LT’s in college, who is more athlete than mauler, and gets pushed around in the NFL.
Smith was considered the “Safe” pick in 2009.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:10 am
Marks Hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 7:46 am
What a bout cp3 to the bills?
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After Fitz’s miraculous comeback against us in 2011 they went ahead and signed him to a 55 mill. contract. I don’t know all the details on it as far as what’s guaranteed etc. but I think cutting him would be prohibitive for them and then to take on Palmer’s salary would be too much.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:15 am
1100. Well i was looking for more input on possibly picking up some of their players and trying to win the division this year but thanks anyways.
I guess we can save Tommy Boy some money. The price of cocaine is sky rocketing these days.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:15 am
Fitzpatrick’s contract is very similar to Palmer’s here for 2013.
Cut him saves actual real dollars, as he has no guaranteed money left.
But cutting him leaves a $10 million dead money cap hit.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Idk…. reggie needs to start the cuts already. Ihop i guess
February 20th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Major difference however, is that Fitzpatricks’ base salary goes down over the next few years, to 4.5 million next year as an example.
They might keep him for this year, knowing if he plays well, he is “cheap” in 2014 and beyond.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:17 am
1102. So was Robert Gallery, There is no such thing as a safe pick.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:18 am
What’s the hurry to cut people?
You can’t resign anybody anyways until March.
We should do what Al often did, cut the guys the day or a few hours before FA begins.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:23 am
That’s what I’m sayin JFB…
What? Reggie NEEDS to make some cuts NOW….. Just so a handful of us in here can start the “Golf Clap”
February 20th, 2013 at 8:23 am
I dont think theres anything we could do this offseason to win the division.. we’d need a rash of injuries to help us out. Id plan ahead for 14.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Yeah, there’s no “Safe” pick…….and there’s no garunteed “Bust” pick either. Never know Jack Sh*t about how things will shake out.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Watch out world, JRuss is back!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/jamarcus-russells-comeback-effort-progressing-slowly/
He ran a 5.2 40yd dash in a simulated combine. That’s pretty impressive for a 350 pounder who was probably sizzurped up at the time.
I wonder what kind of food do his trainers use as treats?
February 20th, 2013 at 8:27 am
I think the main thing that pisses the semis off his the New Regime is so slow to make things happen.
I know alot of us are impatient but Reggies lake of hustle as I like to call it drives me crazy.
Seems like we always move last and get the leftovers I guess left overs when Reg is around is cool though!
Slow Monkey.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Id cut the fat now so the players i want to restructure or trade can be my focus. Al used to wake up at 11am too.. worked great .
February 20th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Free agency isn’t for another 20 days…. The “Player” buffet hasn’t even opened yet. There ain’t no leftovers right now.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:31 am
1112.theghostronin79 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:24 am
Yeah, there’s no “Safe” pick…….and there’s no garunteed “Bust” pick either. Never know Jack Sh*t about how things will shake out.
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Yeah and it’s not just how they play either, look at Sean Taylor. He looked like he was going to anchor that D for years but you never know
February 20th, 2013 at 8:33 am
True Ghost I am just pointing out the semis impatience
I had some good pancakes at Dennys the other day. Just sayin.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:34 am
It’s debatable whether there’s ever a good time to lose but with the stadium issues etc, this is not it for the Raiders.
It’s easy just to say “cut em all and start over” and be ok with 1-15 but it’s just gonna bury the Raiders even further in a bad situation where fan and business support is needed now for the stadium effort etc.
Of course every team “wants” to win.
Easier said than done.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Yeah I know…..Reggie’s down at IHOP every day stuffing his Pie Hole….
None of us know what he’s doing, who he’s talked to, what his plan is…etc.
And we don’t need to. All judgements are Retrospective anyway, so lambasting him now is pointless. Gotta wait till next season is over to roast him for what’s going on right NOW.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Id cut the fat now so the players i want to restructure or trade can be my focus
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If you know who you are going to cut, that focus could be right now anyways.
No advantage to cutting players now, unless some guys (like some of the Jets guys; like Vick) have a roster bonus tied to some certain date.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:35 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:33 am
True Ghost I am just pointing out the semis impatience
I had some good pancakes at Dennys the other day. Just sayin.
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Yeah man, I get impatient too. We’re all impatient for WINS….. But I can drive myself crazy by pacing and stomping my foot. I can’t…… I just gotta let it be, and see how things shake out.
It’s all good man.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:37 am
“I’m heavier than normal,” Russell said.
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Being that normal is fat azz, type II diabetes case waiting to happen, that is saying something.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:39 am
I don’t care about players being cut, even though i’d love to hear about Kelly and Huff getting axed, but i’d rather hear some movement on resigning players. If we can get Wheeler, Bryant and Shane resigned BEFORE FA period opens up, then Reggie will have had a huge success. Even 1 out of those 3 would be good enough.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:37 am
“I’m heavier than normal,” Russell said.
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Being that normal is fat azz, type II diabetes case waiting to happen, that is saying something.
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LOL……
“I would have done a few things differently If I could.”
“Like what? What would you have done different?”
“Ummm I guess I wouldn’t have done anything different.”
February 20th, 2013 at 8:41 am
Jafatzo should have played baseball
February 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am
Good Morning Nation!!
Here’s a quick question…
When does the NFL officially release all comp. picks and draft order?
February 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am
theghostronin 79
YOU KNOW ! Did you read in the papers NFL won’t loan the Raiders any money for their stadium .
LA here we come or 49ers stadium
February 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am
I don’t care about players being cut, even though i’d love to hear about Kelly and Huff getting axed, but i’d rather hear some movement on resigning players. If we can get Wheeler, Bryant and Shane resigned BEFORE FA period opens up, then Reggie will have had a huge success. Even 1 out of those 3 would be good enough
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True enough. For all we know, they’re negotiating right now. Just cause they’re keeping quiet in Alemeda doesn’t mean they’re all sitting around playing “Angry Birds” on Facebook.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Goodell Retracted his offer?
February 20th, 2013 at 8:45 am
All this talk about getting rid of Palmer is just plain stupid. Palmer> Matt Ryan and Flacco. How do you think they would have faired on the Raiders last year? They both benefit from the players around them. How about Palmer on the Falcons or Ravens?
February 20th, 2013 at 8:47 am
Flacco > Palmer > Ryan
Just My thought
February 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
After reading those articles on the stadium issues yesterday I must say I am less than encouraged concerning the Raiders future in Oakland.
B@uce could you give us some insight into this situation. Have you been hanging with Reg at IHOP?
February 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
For all the deap ball throws in the playoffs for Flacco, he missed alot of them. His receivers also saved alot of them.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Getting rid of Palmer and going with TP would be a huge gamble IMO.
It could work but I am not hopeful, I will pull for whomever we trot out there.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:53 am
February 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
For all the deap ball throws in the playoffs for Flacco, he missed alot of them. His receivers also saved alot of them.
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The playoffs were very exciting this year. Quite entertaining.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:56 am
lol if palmers better than flacco and ryan we should be able to get a 1st for him.. reggies phone must be ringing off the hook.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:57 am
According to that article about the nfl not “giving the Raiders” the 200 mill. for the new stadium effort they were clear the Raiders needed more support in the business community and amongst the fans.
You don’t get that support by going 1-15 or even 5-11 no matter how much the powers that be tell everyone to be confident that they “have a plan” or to relax cuz they’re doing it “the right way”.
There’s some urgency.
February 20th, 2013 at 8:57 am
I like what I saw from Pryor the last game. He missed some throws, but all the dropped balls did’nt help either. I like the idea of keeping them both, and playing them both. With all the speed at our skill positions I like the idea of some spread O with Pryor being mixed in, or in red zone. If Palmers having a bad game then run Pryor out there.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:00 am
LMAO. You think you could get a better QB with that #1. Retarded. And yes there are teams which would give a #1 for him.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:00 am
There’s some urgency.
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could have fooled me. Is Reggie ordering another short stack?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Joe Flacco had the best passer rating in the NFL on passes down the field and the lowest INT ratio when pressured.
Flacco won a Super Bowl with bottom of the barrell LT play as well. Oher was ranked the 30 something best tackle in football, and gave up an NFL high 11.5 sacks. He was quite possibly, the worst pass-blocking LT in football.
Carson Palmer, IN HIS PRIME BETTER YET NOW, wasn’t and now isn’t anywhere near the QB Joe is.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:02 am
And yes there are teams which would give a #1 for him.
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Not a chance in hell.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:02 am
I think our backs need to be used more in the passing game. Sad but seems to me they have better hands than the receivers.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:03 am
Patience is a virtue of life.
We have to wait till March than Reggie will make some cuts and you can all be happy
the draft will make you even happier
but none of that matters the only thing that matters is how many games we can win
the weekend after Labor Day is when the bull ship stops @@@@@@@@@@@@@@
February 20th, 2013 at 9:04 am
papertiger418 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Watch out world, JRuss is back!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/jamarcus-russells-comeback-effort-progressing-slowly/
He ran a 5.2 40yd dash in a simulated combine. That’s pretty impressive for a 350 pounder who was probably sizzurped up at the time.
I wonder what kind of food do his trainers use as treats?
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?? chocolate covered Twinkie on a stick ??
February 20th, 2013 at 9:06 am
I’ll agree to dis agree JFB. Look who Flacco is throwing to, and look at who Palmer is throwing to. Why would’nt a team who needs a QB give a #1 for him? Think their gonna get a better one than him in the draft?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:07 am
Flacco played well, but he’s given too much credit. Ryan is treated like a chocker and yet he put his team on top with seconds left and the Falcons special teams coverage unit and defense let him down or else he’s in the Super Bowl. But since he lost, then he’s responsible. right? that how it works?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:10 am
?? chocolate covered Twinkie on a stick ??
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Some of the foods at the local state fair I went to on Monday:
chocolate covered bacon, fried frog legs, deep fried oreo’s.
I thought I was safe ordering the chicken strip basket, but it was half oil and half chicken, and the kool aid was triple concentrate. all disgusting food and drink.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Opinions are like …. everyone has one. I’d rather have Palmer than either one of those guys.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:13 am
Good morning Nation… Still waiting on Reggie’s gut to make a decision… Cut the fat..
February 20th, 2013 at 9:14 am
It’s fair to say you appreciate having Palmer. That’s an opinion. Nothing wrong with saying you think he’s better for us than an extra #1 pick. But it is factually inaccurate to suggest that Reggie on the open market could sell Carson Palmer and his contract on for a first rounder. I think most teams would balk at his contract as it stands to offer up anything at all. Now if he was a street FA, I’m sure some teams would claim him. But trade value? a first rounder? I think you are dreaming.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:15 am
I don’t know where to find it, but I’d like to find stats showing how many times the recevier ran the wrong route/ dropped the ball and compair their numbers to Palmers.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Still waiting on Reggie’s gut to make a decision… Cut the fat..
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I think its still gurlging. This may take some time.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:18 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 8:50 am
After reading those articles on the stadium issues yesterday I must say I am less than encouraged concerning the Raiders future in Oakland.
B@uce could you give us some insight into this situation. Have you been hanging with Reg at IHOP?
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Yeah, its not looking good for the new “San Antonio” Raiders when it comes to a deal in Oakland.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Palmer at vet minimum for a #1? Yes. At $13M/year or whatever the actual number is? No. Contract doesn’t match performance
February 20th, 2013 at 9:21 am
I think its still gurlging. This may take some time.
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The gut sure is stubborn…
February 20th, 2013 at 9:21 am
When Reggie does get a going…who do you think will be the first one on the block?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Anyone think that McClain could be used as a DE or outside pass rush? I got know idea what his contract numbers are.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:25 am
SR is that Palmers performance or the teams? I thought he played pretty good.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:25 am
offensive strategy:
cut dhb, briesel, kelly, huff, mcclain, tollefson
resign myers, wheeler, gaither, adams, hanson, bryant carter and shaughnessey
sign Hartline
draft warmack
veldheer warmack wiz bergs fa
myers/ausberry/gordon
hartline, streater, moore, ford, criner
dmac reece
cp/pryor
shaughnessey bryant houston carter
wheeler gaither burris
branch
hanson adams
fa
king
jano
ford
February 20th, 2013 at 9:27 am
I like the Hartline idea. We don’t have a guy we can count on the catch the ball on third down.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:32 am
guest123 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Some of the foods at the local state fair I went to on Monday:
chocolate covered bacon, fried frog legs, deep fried oreo’s.
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??? you were here in beautiful southern Maryland and
didnt give me a call ???
February 20th, 2013 at 9:33 am
Some of the foods at the local state fair I went to on Monday:
chocolate covered bacon, fried frog legs, deep fried oreo’s.
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??? you were here in beautiful southern Maryland and
didnt give me a call ???
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lol MIKE
that was down here in Tampa FL. They have that stuff up in MD too?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:37 am
Meanwhile, PFT’s reporting that JaPaycheck is up to 310 pounds and is running the 40 in 5.2 seconds (only somewhat slower than Vince Wilfork).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Great comeback, Debo. GREAT COMEBACK.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:38 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:21 am
When Reggie does get a going…who do you think will be the first one on the block?
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I think the first thing he does is figures out what to do with Carson Palmer, restructure, extend, cut…somethings gotta give.
From there, he’s probably already made up his mind on a bunch of cuts but the Palmer question will shape how approaches free agency.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:40 am
I might be in the “impatient” crowd in wanting Raiders to do all they can to win now, but I was also on the keep Cable team and after that the “keep Hue” team..and am now on the “go with Palmer” team.
I’m also on the “give DA at least another shot at this” team, but I think we’ve been pretty patient with the Raiders the last many years.
It’s time to see some progress.
Reggie needs to show he’s a guy who knows what he’s doing. We need to see “progression” this year…not in 5.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:46 am
Free agent DE/OLB Dwight Freeney said Peyton Manning has been recruiting him to come to Denver.
Source: Profootballtalk
Oh boy…wonder if he’s got anything in the tank?
Dummerville + Von Miller + Freeney = Palmer IR
February 20th, 2013 at 9:47 am
271.DJ Johnny Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
If u guys can tune into ESPN Sports Center right now they are about to have McShay come on and talk about “who to look out for” in the draft.
He’s gonna talk about Cordarrelle Patterson from the Vols among others.
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McShay is a BSPN idiot
February 20th, 2013 at 9:47 am
I dont blame anyone for being impatient. We have been kept in the dark for a long time now. Other teams are making moves, cutting players, talking restructuring, franchise tags, trades, draft needs. Heck even other teams beat reporters are more active than ours laying out different rumors around the league and how it affects their home team. We get no news from Reggie and a few fluff pieces from the beat guys. If you hear no news after awhile it becomes like bad news.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:48 am
Yeah, we need progression for sure…. I mean, Free-agency doesn’t even begin for another 20 days. They could be waiting until the Combine is over and get those final evaluations before they start building they’re draft board and targeting free agents. I doubt they’re just going to “CUT” people without a plan. You could start slashing away, and end up with downgrades instead of upgrades. Since this “Whole thing” is pretty “F”ed up right now, it’s probably gonna take some meticulous calculations to try and Maximize our opportunity this offseason. Like I said, we can’t honestly Roast Reggie now for what hasn’t happend yet. Need to get to the end of next season to find out if what he DID or DIDN’T do worked out best for this team. Let’s just chill, and watch.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:49 am
They have that stuff up in MD too?
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oh hell yeah !! by the size of the
women in southern Md. you would think we invented
most of that stuff !!!
February 20th, 2013 at 9:50 am
Palmer did well despite the unecessary change in offensive systems and working with a crappy OC (Knappy) and not having a running game behind him because of the unecessary switch to the ZBS system under a crappy play caller like Knapp.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:52 am
When Davis and McK inexplicably got rid of Hue and then had teh audacity to replace him with another rookie head coach in DA who then changed offensive systems unecessarily…..the writing was on the wall that this team would regress…badly.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:55 am
Cutting people isn’t that much of a priority right now, resigning players is.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:58 am
11.JLofty Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Interior DLinemen are a sketchy gamble high on the draft board. Too many flameouts to even list.
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Agreed. That is why I have never been high on drafting a DT/NT with a top 5 pick unless he is a safe pick.
I mean even Suh was safe, but he is a bi polar head case.
Only interior DLinemen that Raiders should consider at #3 is Star.
Otherwise, they should be looking at pass rushing DE/OLB’s with that 3rd pick or a trade down for Warmack, Ansah, or Jordan.
February 20th, 2013 at 9:58 am
if cp were traded and reggie was able to sign a big name free agent such as bowe, wallace, avril, or johnson would you be in favor of the move?
February 20th, 2013 at 9:58 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:52 am
When Davis and McK inexplicably got rid of Hue and then had teh audacity to replace him with another rookie head coach in DA who then changed offensive systems unecessarily…..the writing was on the wall that this team would regress…badly.
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Yeah, but I refused to read it. I’d started out too many seasons saying “We’re FU*KED” before we even started. I tried to remain optimistic this time…… BACKFIRE…….Now, I’m going to do my best to be neutral until Preseason Game 1, and judge only by field performance. At least that way, maybe my BP will stay within normal range.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
No need to cut people now, unless there is some big bonus that needs to be paid out on a date certain.
Relax! It is better to see what shakes out with other teams before making your moves IMO. What if a team suddenly needs a DT on draft day, and we have already cut Tommy Kelly….why hamstring ourselves by cutting him early?
Maybe we take a couple of crap players and turn them into draft picks?
I am fine with Reggie not cutting anyone yet.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Wheeler and Bryant need to be resigned.
I wonder of Wheeler or Sho Nasty will be franchised?
For some reason, I think McK will avoid the franchise tag this year.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:04 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Wheeler and Bryant need to be resigned.
I wonder of Wheeler or Sho Nasty will be franchised?
For some reason, I think McK will avoid the franchise tag this year.
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maybe use the transition tag on one of them . but i agree no one on this team is worthy of the franchise tag.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:06 am
1177.inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:58 am
if cp were traded and reggie was able to sign a big name free agent such as bowe, wallace, avril, or johnson would you be in favor of the move?
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What good does a decent WR or any other free agent do us for that matter if we have no QB?
PRYOR can’t throw the ball. Hello people!
If we cut Palmer, there is no reason to sign a “big name” free agent, because it means we are tanking the 2013 season for the #1 pick because we would be lacking a starting calibre NFL QB.
And there is no QB on the market that can be had for the $5 million dollar cap savings cutting Palmer might save us either.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:11 am
kyle boller anyone ??
February 20th, 2013 at 10:12 am
Boller could throw the ball…just to the wrong people!
February 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
1174.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:52 am
When Davis and McK inexplicably got rid of Hue and then had teh audacity to replace him with another rookie head coach in DA who then changed offensive systems unecessarily…..the writing was on the wall that this team would regress…badly.
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Inexplicably got rid of Hue? You’re joking, right?
Pretty sure if you think about it you’ll find a few very valid, compelling reasons why Hue got the boot.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:20 am
black beard !! whats happin brother ??
February 20th, 2013 at 10:20 am
lol Hwnrdr.. sad but true !!!
February 20th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1185.edward teach Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:13 am
1174.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 9:52 am
When Davis and McK inexplicably got rid of Hue and then had teh audacity to replace him with another rookie head coach in DA who then changed offensive systems unecessarily…..the writing was on the wall that this team would regress…badly.
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Inexplicably got rid of Hue? You’re joking, right?
Pretty sure if you think about it you’ll find a few very valid, compelling reasons why Hue got the boot.
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We know where this goes.
Hue has proven is a better all around coach than DA and can coach and assist on both sides of the ball along with being a solid OC/Playcaller.
DA doesn’t know crap about offense, that was proven this past year when the idiot went to the ZBS when semis even knew the offensive didn’t need to be touched.
Then look at DA’s “expertise” which is on D….the D was just as bad if not worse than Chuck B’s D the previous year arguably.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Priorities are: Bryant, Wheeler, Adams.
Lechler is a legend but bye bye, can’t pay a punter 5-6 million when Marquette King is more than capable and will play happily at the vet minimum.
DHB, can stay if he restructures, prob will. that 600 yard season doesn’t give him much pull in a contract year.
CP3 NEEDS to help somehow, He needs to stay imo and will be our starter 110% positive. But he needs to shake some money off to help the org.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:27 am
1181.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:04 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:00 am
Wheeler and Bryant need to be resigned.
I wonder of Wheeler or Sho Nasty will be franchised?
For some reason, I think McK will avoid the franchise tag this year.
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maybe use the transition tag on one of them . but i agree no one on this team is worthy of the franchise tag.
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Yep. Not one player on this team is worth the big money franchise tag.
Transition tag yes probably.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:27 am
I just read something I liked,and would like to share with my Raider brethren:
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, socialism stops working when they run out of other people’s money.
Ah,look at those European countries, Venezuela, Cuba…
February 20th, 2013 at 10:33 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:27 am
I just read something I liked,and would like to share with my Raider brethren:
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, socialism stops working when they run out of other people’s money.
Ah,look at those European countries, Venezuela, Cuba…
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too bad venezuela is in a MUCH better situation than it used to be (ask the huge majority of Venezuelans who continue to reelect Chavez in clean elections), and Cuba was in a MUCH better situation than it used to be until the good ole US of A threatened to stop “helping” or impose sanctions on countries that do business with Cuba. By the way Germany is doing quite well
February 20th, 2013 at 10:36 am
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What good does a decent WR or any other free agent do us for that matter if we have no QB?
PRYOR can’t throw the ball. Hello people!
If we cut Palmer, there is no reason to sign a “big name” free agent, because it means we are tanking the 2013 season for the #1 pick because we would be lacking a starting calibre NFL QB.
And there is no QB on the market that can be had for the $5 million dollar cap savings cutting Palmer might save us either.
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debateable if he can’t become a good passer. But if you’re the gm and this is what you believe, than why not try to get out of palmers contract by trading him, trading pryor for foles straight up and use the savings on a young #1 receiver?
February 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
is there an ihop by the scouting combine?
February 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
1191.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:27 am
I just read something I liked,and would like to share with my Raider brethren:
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, socialism stops working when they run out of other people’s money.
Ah,look at those European countries, Venezuela, Cuba…
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True, but who/what decides how the pie is divided?
Just “Crazy” market forces?
Currently do you think the pie is divided fairly?
Not sure if people in this country can survive on the miniumum wage?
I only have questions, no answers…
February 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:23 am
Priorities are: Bryant, Wheeler, Adams.
Lechler is a legend but bye bye, can’t pay a punter 5-6 million when Marquette King is more than capable and will play happily at the vet minimum.
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What makes you think Marquette King is more capable than Shane Lechler? Was it his 3 games in preseason?
Also, Shane’s contract is expired, he’s not going to make 5 mill.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Carson Palmer, IN HIS PRIME BETTER YET NOW, wasn’t and now isn’t anywhere near the QB Joe is.
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My carefully reasoned and thought out response would have to be;
Yes he is.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:43 am
Marquette King had like 3-4 line drive kicks in his limited duty. I also don’t think he held for Seabass at all in Preseason, which is a dumb move if they are in fact grooming him as Shane’s replacement.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:44 am
LECHLER IS 37 … he is a punter, a HOFer possibly, what makes you think he will play for less than 5 million when he could retire on the spot?
FYI Lechler had his worst season ever and King was put on “IR” for a reason …. so Reggie could retiain him for this year. I think they saw enough of him to know he is capable, punter buddy … punter. I’m sure he is good enough.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:46 am
1193.inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:36 am
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What good does a decent WR or any other free agent do us for that matter if we have no QB?
PRYOR can’t throw the ball. Hello people!
If we cut Palmer, there is no reason to sign a “big name” free agent, because it means we are tanking the 2013 season for the #1 pick because we would be lacking a starting calibre NFL QB.
And there is no QB on the market that can be had for the $5 million dollar cap savings cutting Palmer might save us either.
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debateable if he can’t become a good passer. But if you’re the gm and this is what you believe, than why not try to get out of palmers contract by trading him, trading pryor for foles straight up and use the savings on a young #1 receiver?
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Yeah, maybe he can finally learn to pass after years of already playing….and maybe Robert Gallery can learn how to block too….and maybe Shaq can learn to hit his free throws….but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Trading Palmer still leaves us with a huge cap hit, so you are not gaining much in terms of cap space by trading him….and what team is going to trade for his huge contract anyhow?
So you are left with little cap space an no legit QB….even if you get Foles, he isn’t a franchise QB, so why bother?
If you are going to cut or trade Carson Palmer, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that you are giving up on 2013 and probably 2014 as well because there will be no QB put in place this season that can take us anywhere.
I am cool with dumping Palmer, as long as everyone understands that we are tanking the season for the #1 pick.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:48 am
lechler is this teams comvp with seabass and you want king? cmon man
February 20th, 2013 at 10:48 am
The biggest mistake this team made cutting Hu Jackson was all right but cutting his offense was wrong. I think Mark Davis got fed up with HU and when they clean house everybody went the offensive coordinator we have now will be a big improvement in Carson Palmer is a quarterback will have a heavy run offense with deep balls off play action and when prior is in their it will be more read options during.
I think I know????????????
February 20th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Not sure if people in this country can survive on the miniumum wage?
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They can’t and they shouldn’t. That’s why it is called “MINIMUM” wage.
Those are the people not paying their fair share. BO mentioned a house with ONE person working on minimum wage, with, not 1 but TWO KIDS, living in poverty.
Well you don’t say???? That person is paying about $2,000 in taxes, Mitt Romney payed over $3 million.
We need to give Mitt some money back and send that lady a bill, if we are looking at our “fair share” of resources used.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am
raiderinparadise Says:
LECHLER IS 37 … he is a punter, a HOFer possibly, what makes you think he will play for less than 5 million when he could retire on the spot?
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What else could he do to make an easy 2-3 million a year for the next 3-5 years? That ain’t chump change.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Dumping Palmer would be the WORST scenario possible.
Getting him to restructure and take a pay cut would be the BEST case scenario.
Pryor has no idea what he is doing and has a new offense to learn, Pryor is an athlete learning to command a huddle, audible and reads a defense and throw from the pocket. He needs more time under Palmer and he has to learn a new offense too.
Pryor can’t throw worth a Tebow from the pocket yet. He has to prove that, and he will be used this year, I think Olson will see what he can do with him, ease him in and if Palmer gets hurt, Pryor will be in. Till then CP3 will have the offense, and with a run game back will get back to play action down the field that works unlike a knapp offense avegarging 1.8 a rush you dont have schet open downfield.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am
1199.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:44 am
LECHLER IS 37 … he is a punter, a HOFer possibly, what makes you think he will play for less than 5 million when he could retire on the spot?
FYI Lechler had his worst season ever and King was put on “IR” for a reason …. so Reggie could retiain him for this year. I think they saw enough of him to know he is capable, punter buddy … punter. I’m sure he is good enough.
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Why would he retire at all? Like you said, he’s a punter so who cares how old he is. Even if he loses power he’ll still be an average P well into his 40’s. He’ll play for less because no one else besides Al would pay him that much, regardless of his last contract. He had an average season, just not a Shane Lechler season, but he was comming off knee surgery right before it started. So i believe he’ll be fine this year.
You’ve seen Shane punt for 10+ years, so do you know what good enough even looks like? At this point i don’t trust this regime’s talent evaluation or their future planning.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:53 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
True, but who/what decides how the pie is divided?
Just “Crazy” market forces?
Currently do you think the pie is divided fairly?
Not sure if people in this country can survive on the miniumum wage?
I only have questions, no answers…
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What pie? Just spend less, let the public employees find a job in the private sector, probably some from of unionized work, cause they cant compete with the traditional private sector employee.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
@Dakota
“Yeah, maybe he can finally learn to pass after years of already playing….and maybe Robert Gallery can learn how to block too….and maybe Shaq can learn to hit his free throws….but I wouldn’t bet on it.”
How about Aaron Rogers?
[Interview between Phil Simms and Rich Gannon about Aaron Rogers]
Rich Gannon: My last question. I just want to follow up on Aaron Rodgers. I know you study a lot of tape. I know you studied Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal and his throwing mechanics, his stroke, his motion. As a former quarterback I think Mike McCarthy’s done an excellent job of training him, his footwork and all of those things. In terms of his stroke and in terms of his arm strength I think he’s one of the best in the business. I don’t know that anyone has as strong an arm as this guy
Phil Simms: I don’t think there’s anybody in the game that can flick and make the throws…
Rich Gannon: and spin it-
Phil Simms:-and spins it. Oh my gosh can he rotate the ball which makes him an all weather thrower, that’s why it’s important. You know Rich I saw him come out of college and I sit here and I say this with all honesty- I’ve been wrong on a few- not many- but I didn’t like him. I thought ‘Man, that throwing motion. That’s looks like something out of Pop Warner football-’
Rich Gannon: -they changed it though, a little bit
Phil Simms:. So I went up there, watched him his first year in practice. “Awful,” I said “Wow. He’s awful.”
Second year I went up there and I remember somebody going “What did you think?” I said “Well the Packers have to be worried that this guy is never going to play for them. I mean really, and you know what, and this is the truth; they were worried.
Then year three I go up there and I’m watching out of the corner of my eye and I go “Wow.” I thought it was Brett and I turned and I watched Aaron Rodgers and I went “Oh my God” and after practice is almost over I said, “Hey Aaron!”
He goes “Oh, hey Phil”.
I said, “Don’t take this the wrong way, but your throwing- it’s unbelievable.”
He goes “Yeah, I know, I’m not taking it wrong, don’t worry. Thanks, I appreciate it. Look, I kind of went back to being natural. Kind of taught myself, they taught me some things.”
Rich, it was an unbelievable transformation. He really went from on a scale of 1-10; he went from a three to a ten. That’s about what I thought. I thought he was a sub-par NFL thrower. Below average, way below average to arguably the best now. It’s unbelievable.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
“Good enough” punting for this team, with thier coverage unit and offense means real short feilds for our D.
February 20th, 2013 at 10:55 am
All together now;
Keyboard Mon……
February 20th, 2013 at 10:58 am
minimum wage
should be more than nine dollars an hour in Australia it’s $17 an hour everybody is middle-class in Australia
February 20th, 2013 at 10:59 am
You’ve seen Shane punt for 10+ years, so do you know what good enough even looks like? At this point i don’t trust this regime’s talent evaluation or their future planning.
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GUYS …. P-U-N-T-E-R! Lechler is a legend, but King will punt at the vet minmimun happily. Thats a huge amount saved against the cap. even 2-3 mill for Lechler would be more than 3 times what OAK could play King, thats another player signed to help the team, thats all I’m saying. So if Adams or Wheeler or Bryant Or Goodson walk away and we retaina 37 yr old punter, I hope youre happy.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Paying a Punter $5 million is part of the reason we have cap issues.
Maybe JFB has a field position stat or something, but it seems to me that Lechler’s leg just over kicked coverage and allowed the return man time to look at the oncoming coverage unit before taking off. The past few years I have not seen him being a great coffin corner kicker….he simply is not worth $5 million a year.
I would not mind seeing him stay, but if it means we can sign a decent guard or center or LB or CB or safety, then hell yes I am letting Lechler walk if he still wants that kind of money.
Place kickers are way more important than punters. Hell…..Condo might be more important that a punter!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:37 am
is there an ihop by the scouting combine?
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Raider Nation is S.O.L….there’s one about 10 blocks south of Lucas Oil Stadium!!
I wonder who’s gonna be doing all the scouting….his brother?
February 20th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Lechler is a game changer, I doubt they can bring in a player who can inflict the same kind of impact for the 2 mill they save on letting Shane walk. Like i said, you guys have been spoiled by Lechler’s punting for too long. With all the leverage they’re giving King, who’s to say he’ll play for the min anyways. 1-2 Million is a bargain for a player of Shane’s caliber. No one else is going to pay him $3 million.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:04 am
RT @QuentinGroves: Just sitting here reminiscing about good times!!!~~>#ONCEARAIDER_
February 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am
guest123 Says:
Some of the foods at the local state fair I went to on Monday:
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Where the he11 are you? Who has a state fair in February?
February 20th, 2013 at 11:06 am
1203.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Not sure if people in this country can survive on the miniumum wage?
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They can’t and they shouldn’t. That’s why it is called “MINIMUM” wage.
Those are the people not paying their fair share. BO mentioned a house with ONE person working on minimum wage, with, not 1 but TWO KIDS, living in poverty.
Well you don’t say???? That person is paying about $2,000 in taxes, Mitt Romney payed over $3 million.
We need to give Mitt some money back and send that lady a bill, if we are looking at our “fair share” of resources used.
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O.k. I understand that a little…so someone that works at McDonalds 40 hours a week? What kind of life should they be able to have? Poverty?
Romney what a swell guy…not sure if you saw this or believed it or even care…
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829?page=3
February 20th, 2013 at 11:08 am
DutchRaider77,
That is a once in a blue moon example….and Phil Simms clearly has brain damage, so I don’t believe what he says lol.
But seriously, it is highly unusual for an athlete to be able to re-create themselves after playing ball for 10 years.
I am not tanking a couple of seasons to see if Pryor can be that 1 in a million guy.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Just because we’ve had a sorry Defense that allows 80, 90 yard drives doesn’t mean Good punting is not important. You’re all just used to 40 yard nets like it’s the norm.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Is Reg a regular maple syrup kind of guy or does he go for the raspberry?
February 20th, 2013 at 11:10 am
Dakota Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Paying a Punter $5 million is part of the reason we have cap issues.
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Thank you.
SEABASS is worth every penny.
CONDO too.
A Punter rarely can win or cost you a game.
A kicker and snapper can. We all seen it.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Did anyone hear the interview with Geno smith on the Dan Patrick show this morning… Sounds like he has his head screwed on right…
February 20th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Mcfaggen20 likes boy pee pee.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Yeah, maybe he can finally learn to pass after years of already playing….and maybe Robert Gallery can learn how to block too….and maybe Shaq can learn to hit his free throws….but I wouldn’t bet on it.
Trading Palmer still leaves us with a huge cap hit, so you are not gaining much in terms of cap space by trading him….and what team is going to trade for his huge contract anyhow?
So you are left with little cap space an no legit QB….even if you get Foles, he isn’t a franchise QB, so why bother?
If you are going to cut or trade Carson Palmer, you have to be honest with yourself and admit that you are giving up on 2013 and probably 2014 as well because there will be no QB put in place this season that can take us anywhere.
I am cool with dumping Palmer, as long as everyone understands that we are tanking the season for the #1 pick.
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tannehill wasn’t exactly lighting up college secondary’s with his arm. For years neither did Gannon. Wouldn’t mind Palmer staying, but if you can trade him, i wouldn’t be too upset in a rebuild year either.
cut DHB, Briesel, Kelly, Mcclain, Huff, Tollefson
let walk Seymour, Lechler, Barnes, Carlisle, Hagan (shaughnessey and carter if going 3-4)
and have you guys ever met someone from canada or europe? everyone i’ve ever met from those countries would gladly pay higher taxes for 30 hour work weeks, free health insurance, 5 week vacations, free day care etc
February 20th, 2013 at 11:13 am
Dan78 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Did anyone hear the interview with Geno smith on the Dan Patrick show this morning… Sounds like he has his head screwed on right…
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yep intelligent guy with a heckuva deep ball
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
SR Raider Says:
Palmer at vet minimum for a #1? Yes. At $13M/year or whatever the actual number is? No. Contract doesn’t match performance
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I think you mean it doesn’t match the win/loss record. Whether that is all on the QB appears to be a matter of very different opinions. His performance/numbers does indeed match his contract.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Anywho the losers who want to defend keeping a punter for about 3 mill a year (thats if he takes a cut) …. can kick rocks.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Is Reg a regular maple syrup kind of guy or does he go for the raspberry?
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Think maple syrup is his choice… Dont forget the Gut makes the decision…
February 20th, 2013 at 11:16 am
They can’t and they shouldn’t. That’s why it is called “MINIMUM” wage.
Those are the people not paying their fair share. BO mentioned a house with ONE person working on minimum wage, with, not 1 but TWO KIDS, living in poverty.
Well you don’t say???? That person is paying about $2,000 in taxes, Mitt Romney payed over $3 million.
We need to give Mitt some money back and send that lady a bill, if we are looking at our “fair share” of resources used.
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try growing up in the hood then get back to me. as a percentage of his income, he pays lower taxes than the mcdonalds worker by the way
February 20th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Condo is waaay overpaid. Longsnapping is not a talent. Take a weekend to practice and anybody can do it.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:18 am
I think if Geno does good in the combine, Chefs will take him #1…
February 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am
1228.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Anywho the losers who want to defend keeping a punter for about 3 mill a year (thats if he takes a cut) …. can kick rocks.
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Sure i’ll kick rocks, kick em 70 yards since you seem to believe anyone can do
February 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am
hwnrdr Says:
When Reggie does get a going…who do you think will be the first one on the block?
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Seymour would be my guess. Contrary to rampant public opinion, there is no confirmation that the Raiders have voided his contract.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:21 am
1231.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Condo is waaay overpaid. Longsnapping is not a talent. Take a weekend to practice and anybody can do it.
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I don’t know how much Condo makes, but if LS was that easy, every team in the NFL wouldn’t waste one roster spot on guys who specifically do just long snapping.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:22 am
1228.raiderinparadise Says:
Anywho the losers who want to defend keeping a punter for about 3 mill a year (thats if he takes a cut) …. can kick rocks.
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He’ll also be our #3 QB. We roll with Palmer/Pryor. Lose both of themand we’re screwed anyway. So you’re saving at least another 600,000 and a roster spot.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Condo getting hurt only showed what a piece of shìt gothel is. As well as the spec team cordinator..
February 20th, 2013 at 11:24 am
1231.Marks hair Says:Condo is waaay overpaid. Longsnapping is not a talent. Take a weekend to practice and anybody can do it.
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He doesn’t snap and lollygag. He makes a lot of plays downfield.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am
goethel couldnt do it…but in his defense DA never had him practice…
February 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Sorry, this is the Romney story I wanted you to see…what a swell guy.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829?page=2
February 20th, 2013 at 11:25 am
1238. Very true, condo is an all around good Special teamer.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:28 am
from google;
The Maryland State Fair, named one of the top 50 fairs in North America, is one event you don’t want to miss.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Most longsnappers have another job. Backup C most of the time..
February 20th, 2013 at 11:31 am
The Florida State Fair – always in Tampa and always in February –
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OK then.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:32 am
nobody should get more than league minimum for just snapping a ball.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:32 am
State Fair in February is kinda thumbing your nose at the rest of us.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:33 am
1211.willy91137 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:58 am
minimum wage
should be more than nine dollars an hour in Australia it’s $17 an hour everybody is middle-class in Australia
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You should NOT be able to survive on the minimum wage. It is the MINIMUM amount a company has to pay you, NOT the minimum amount you need to live. Minimum wage jobs aren’t designed to support a family. IF you raise minimum wage, then the poverty line will only increase. By forcing businesses to pay MORE in wages you are forcing them to compensate for a loss in profits which means raising prices for consumers. This is common sense. Anyone who thinks raising the minimum wage will eliminate poverty is living in some sort of Utopia and not giving the rest of us the google maps address of that place.
If you eliminate the poor and make them all middle class then the entire middle class BECOME THE POOR!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Biggest mistake Davis and McK made was getting rid of a good passionate and energetic coach who installed a solid offensive system and then downgrading to a deer in the headlights coach that is supposed to know the D side of the ball.
Oooff!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am
You should NOT be able to survive on the minimum wage. It is the MINIMUM amount a company has to pay you, NOT the minimum amount you need to live. Minimum wage jobs aren’t designed to support a family. IF you raise minimum wage, then the poverty line will only increase. By forcing businesses to pay MORE in wages you are forcing them to compensate for a loss in profits which means raising prices for consumers. This is common sense. Anyone who thinks raising the minimum wage will eliminate poverty is living in some sort of Utopia and not giving the rest of us the google maps address of that place.
If you eliminate the poor and make them all middle class then the entire middle class BECOME THE POOR!
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same argument repubs always give whenever the minimum wage increases and guess what? it’s NEVER the case. more money spend goes up the economic totem pole. two words that work for most leftist economic policy arguments: BILL CLINTON
February 20th, 2013 at 11:36 am
Jon Condo Salary: 1.175 million USD (2012)
Keep harping on this like you’re trying to provoke a response and I’ll assume you’re the troll using Mark’s handle.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:36 am
How many bad longsnaps do we see a yr?. Not many. Pretty easy skill to learn. Try it in the back yrd sometime. After 10 mins your a pro..
February 20th, 2013 at 11:37 am
1243.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Most longsnappers have another job. Backup C most of the time..
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Actually not true. I did the research during the lockout when BSJ was constantly complaining about Condo and found that something like 26 teams in the NFL have dedicated long snappers that play no other position. (Obviously in an injury emergency they may be required to play somewhere else, just like in the event of emergency Lechler would be our QB, doesn’t mean he is a QB)
February 20th, 2013 at 11:38 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:19 am
1228.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Anywho the losers who want to defend keeping a punter for about 3 mill a year (thats if he takes a cut) …. can kick rocks.
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Sure i’ll kick rocks, kick em 70 yards since you seem to believe anyone can do
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Yes since a 70 yard punt in a 4-12 season means re-sign em for 3-5 mill when we need money for CB, LG, MLB, S ….
February 20th, 2013 at 11:40 am
1223.Dan78 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Did anyone hear the interview with Geno smith on the Dan Patrick show this morning… Sounds like he has his head screwed on right…
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That’s the big key with Geno. Making his head is screwed on right and that he is a hard worker who will study film and continue to work on his fundamentals and be able to read defenses and change plays at the line when need be.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am
same argument repubs always give whenever the minimum wage increases and guess what? it’s NEVER the case. more money spend goes up the economic totem pole. two words that work for most leftist economic policy arguments: BILL CLINTON
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Really? Show me one case study in American history where raising the minimum wage actually influenced the number of people below the poverty line in this country… you can’t because it has never happened.
Bill Clinton is a poor example of ‘economic improvement’. His legislation directly caused the real estate bubble to burst. Making credit requirements lenient enough for anyone to get a mortgage is not economic improvment, it plain stupid.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am
By forcing businesses to pay MORE in wages you are forcing them to compensate for a loss in profits which means raising prices for consumers
++++++++++
Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
When King starts shanking punts 18 yards and out of bounds you will wish we ponied up for Lechler.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Biggest mistake Davis and McK made was getting rid of a good passionate and energetic coach who installed a solid offensive system and then downgrading to a deer in the headlights coach that is supposed to know the D side of the ball.
Oooff!
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Oops…
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
A great punter is a luxury.
Our secondary is a problem.
So is our RT, LG, RG.
No MLB, need money to keep Bryant, Wheeler and Adams …
issues alllllllll over.
But Some of you want to watch 70 yard punts ?
Prob the same people that liked watching JaMarcus throw 70 yard air balls.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
1227.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:14 am
SR Raider Says:
Palmer at vet minimum for a #1? Yes. At $13M/year or whatever the actual number is? No. Contract doesn’t match performance
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I think you mean it doesn’t match the win/loss record. Whether that is all on the QB appears to be a matter of very different opinions. His performance/numbers does indeed match his contract.
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Exactly.
Pinning wins and losses 100% on Palmer is a fools mentality.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:43 am
DJ Johnny Says:
It’s time to see some progress.
Reggie needs to show he’s a guy who knows what he’s doing. We need to see “progression” this year…not in 5!
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Don’t be silly. None of the successful teams try to win today. They all plan and strategize for success 3-5 years down the road. What’s the point of trying to win right now?
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
1251.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:36 am
How many bad longsnaps do we see a yr?. Not many. Pretty easy skill to learn. Try it in the back yrd sometime. After 10 mins your a pro..
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I’ve tried, it’s not easy at all to be consistent. If you can, then maybe you should hit the IHOP and seek a tryout.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
1255.bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am
same argument repubs always give whenever the minimum wage increases and guess what? it’s NEVER the case. more money spend goes up the economic totem pole. two words that work for most leftist economic policy arguments: BILL CLINTON
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Really? Show me one case study in American history where raising the minimum wage actually influenced the number of people below the poverty line in this country… you can’t because it has never happened.
Bill Clinton is a poor example of ‘economic improvement’. His legislation directly caused the real estate bubble to burst. Making credit requirements lenient enough for anyone to get a mortgage is not economic improvment, it plain stupid.
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Nah, thank Bush for all that.
Clinton….the US was in good financial shape….with Bush…..downhill from there and 2 wars were started…..1 of them didn’t need to be (Iraq)
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
When King starts shanking punts 18 yards and out of bounds you will wish we ponied up for Lechler.
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“IF” the org was “SMART” if they run lechler, they should bring in some vet competition for the job.
Plenty of Ex’s also rans, could have made it’s, all of which could “potentially” do the job.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
When King starts shanking punts 18 yards and out of bounds you will wish we ponied up for Lechler.
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SAVE THAT COMMENT … please do. I will glady say youre right if that ever happened.
I guess pay Lechler 5 mill and lets watch Ron Bartell start at corner again? Let Wheeler go shine elsewhere… and look forward to Khalif Barnes at RT AGAIN!?
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1263.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
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Yep!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:46 am
Lechler is gone and so is Seymour Butts and Kelly.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:47 am
1256.Thec Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:41 am
By forcing businesses to pay MORE in wages you are forcing them to compensate for a loss in profits which means raising prices for consumers
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Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
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Or closer to home, how much does one of those NFL jerseys on NFL.com cost to make? I bet it cost about $1.50 or less and is sold for +$100.00.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:47 am
1257.bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:42 am
When King starts shanking punts 18 yards and out of bounds you will wish we ponied up for Lechler.
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If i wasn’t a Raiders fan, i’d love for some of you guys to see what we’d look like with even worse Field position.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
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Most manu is done by other nations…Taiwan, China, singapore, pakistan, mexico, etc etc etc
Most “companies” do not pay taxes.
Only thing made in america is the maytag washing machine
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
1267.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1263.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
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Yep!
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Too bad it’s the ones outsourcing the jobs that are in control of making our laws.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
raiderinparadise, Al Davis, more than any other GM understood the importance of the kicking game as evidenced by being the only one to draft a punter(Guy) and a kicker(Seabass) in the first round. I’m with him on this.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
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Who cares? That’s not the point. The point is Nike has revenue figures it has to meet for shareholders. You think the CEO of NIKE can go to the year end shareholder meeting and tell the people looking for their dividend report ‘Sorry, minimum wage went up 25% (the proposed increase)… our profit margin is down because the increase in wages, so you get no dividends.’ They can’t do that.
Companies exist for 1 reason, to turn a profit. The products and services they sell are the vehicle for them to turn that profit. IF they can’t be profitable then they close the doors. Period.
If you force a company that relies on minimum wage labor to pay more for its workforce, you limit it’s ability to turn a profit. 1 of 2 things happens, either the cost of their product goes up to keep their margins in line, OR the company reduces its workforce to compensate. 1 way or another they are going to continue to make the same profit.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
I could snap and shoot free throws all day.. it not like hitting a curve ball.. an out of whack contract is an out of whack contract. it doesn’t matter if it’s your favorite player or favorite position. We cant keep paying bad deals and expect to win on the regular.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Only thing made in america is the maytag washing machine
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And guns
February 20th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Really? Show me one case study in American history where raising the minimum wage actually influenced the number of people below the poverty line in this country… you can’t because it has never happened.
Bill Clinton is a poor example of ‘economic improvement’. His legislation directly caused the real estate bubble to burst. Making credit requirements lenient enough for anyone to get a mortgage is not economic improvment, it plain stupid
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show me an example where raising the minimun wage led to more people falling below the poverty line? bill clinton’s a bad exaple of economic improvement? HA! he presided over the best economy in the history of the united states going from budget deficits to budget surpluses! and how about this socialist president we have now, gonna ruin the economy right? then how come investors are buying up million dollar homes at record pace? it’s because the rich folks know the economy is growing
February 20th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:24 am
1231.Marks hair Says:Condo is waaay overpaid. Longsnapping is not a talent. Take a weekend to practice and anybody can do it.
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He doesn’t snap and lollygag. He makes a lot of plays downfield.
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He´s naturally a LB and can tackle, if the longsnapper is the Backup Center then he only blocks and runs 10 yds, never downfield.
Code BRILLIANT SILVER!!
February 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
raiderinparadise, Al Davis, more than any other GM understood the importance of the kicking game as evidenced by being the only one to draft a punter(Guy) and a kicker(Seabass) in the first round. I’m with him on this.
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Ah, AL talk, my favorite,
also why Seymour got 15 mill a year, Kelly top 5 paid d-linemen in league, Huff, Wimbley contract, drafting DHB, Russell, McClain, Gallery and list goes on….
Well, well, well …….
You can go with AL on any subject … he is still pissing on the roster from his grave.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Nah, thank Bush for all that.
Clinton….the US was in good financial shape….with Bush…..downhill from there and 2 wars were started…..1 of them didn’t need to be (Iraq)
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You are wrong. Clinton brought in the sub prime legislation that allowed unqualified buyers get mortgages. Not Bush.
But you comment doesn’t surprise me. You, like all Democrats and Republicans can not admit that you are both wrong and that the shape of this country is hardly the result of 1 man (Bush, Clinton, BO… doesn’t matter.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:55 am
don’t forget Routt contract, gotta love AL.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
1279. Exactly just another bad deal by al
February 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
raiderinparadise Says:
I guess pay Lechler 5 mill and lets watch Ron Bartell start at corner again? Let Wheeler go shine elsewhere… and look forward to Khalif Barnes at RT AGAIN!?
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He got his payday by being the best. I think he understands that. He won’t get that kind of money again. He’ll be 2-3 million. If you’re not OK with that, fine. Say so. Don’t exaggerate.
By the way, I’m okay with Barnes, but not your other two scenarios.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Nah, thank Bush for all that.
Clinton….the US was in good financial shape….with Bush…..downhill from there and 2 wars were started…..1 of them didn’t need to be (Iraq)
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You are wrong. Clinton brought in the sub prime legislation that allowed unqualified buyers get mortgages. Not Bush.
But you comment doesn’t surprise me. You, like all Democrats and Republicans can not admit that you are both wrong and that the shape of this country is hardly the result of 1 man (Bush, Clinton, BO… doesn’t matter.
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Not really, go back further to the puppet of a president Ronny boy. Greenspan had a very heavy hand in the beginning of the downfall.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
1272.The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
1267.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1263.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
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Yep!
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Too bad it’s the ones outsourcing the jobs that are in control of making our laws.
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Yep. Hence why those companies are not penalized for saving themselves money by outsourcing jobs.
One of the many problems of this country that they never want to deal with.
Hence why the government wants people “entertained” with mindless bullcrap on TV and sports.
They don’t want citizens to be thinking about all the messed up and upside down crap going on within this country.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
raiderinparadise, Al Davis, more than any other GM understood the importance of the kicking game as evidenced by being the only one to draft a punter(Guy) and a kicker(Seabass) in the first round. I’m with him on this.
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May be this is why the name of the game is “FOOT ball” and no “PASS ball” or RUN ball”
February 20th, 2013 at 11:58 am
1284.morilla Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:57 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Nah, thank Bush for all that.
Clinton….the US was in good financial shape….with Bush…..downhill from there and 2 wars were started…..1 of them didn’t need to be (Iraq)
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You are wrong. Clinton brought in the sub prime legislation that allowed unqualified buyers get mortgages. Not Bush.
But you comment doesn’t surprise me. You, like all Democrats and Republicans can not admit that you are both wrong and that the shape of this country is hardly the result of 1 man (Bush, Clinton, BO… doesn’t matter.
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Not really, go back further to the puppet of a president Ronny boy. Greenspan had a very heavy hand in the beginning of the downfall.
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Oh yeah. Ronny was a big time puppett and Greenspan helped ruin everything also.
February 20th, 2013 at 11:59 am
1272.The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
1267.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1263.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
^^^^^^
Yep!
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Too bad it’s the ones outsourcing the jobs that are in control of making our laws.
^^^^^^^^^
Yep. Hence why those companies are not penalized for saving themselves money by outsourcing jobs.
One of the many problems of this country that they never want to deal with.
Hence why the government wants people “entertained” with mindless bullcrap on TV and sports.
They don’t want citizens to be thinking about all the messed up and upside down crap going on within this country.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
Ah, AL talk, my favorite, You can go with AL on any subject … he is still pissing on the roster from his grave.
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If you don’t think Al was on his game and maybe even great when he drafted Ray Guy and Seabass, then why the fck are you a Raider fan? assuming…
February 20th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I was just reading that article about the the Raiders and a possible new stadium.
The Raiders can’t seem to catch a break with anything. This has to be rock bottom.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
how many players do the pats grossly overpay? What about the Steelers, Ravens, Pack, Saints, Falcons…
in football good organizations don’t grossly overpay, because you need alot of good players to fit under the salary cap and you need room for incoming draftees the next year.
our grossly overpaid players:
CP
DHB
Briesel
Huff
Seymour
Kelly
Mcclain
Lechler
Branch
DMAC
Jano
if you can come close to replacing any of these guys for cheaper, they should be gone
this is why DHB (not worth it) Brisel (hugely underperformed zbs guy) Huff (part of the highest paid safety tandem) Seymour (done) Kelly (replaceable by younger Houston/Bryant) Mcclain (not a Raider) and Lechler (bad year with King in the wings) should definitely be gone
February 20th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
@ PURVISMAN/INTREPID…….
Huuuuuge Raider fan so STFU.
I was talking about paying Lechler that much, could pay him half that last big contract and it still would have been the largest ever by a punter in NFL history.
Al always over-spent by shocking amounts.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Lets hope Joekel slips to #3 and hope some team like the Eagles, Cards, Rams, fall in love with him so McK can trade down and get more picks.
As of right now though….I don’t see it happening.
If Queefs take Geno, than Joke will fall to #3, but the Eagles will know they can get Fisher also if Cards trade up to #3 for Joke. Plus the Cards probably think Fisher may fall to them anyway.
Right now, it’s looking like the Raiders pick will be Star or Moore.
I would like a trade down though to get Ansah.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
May be this is why the name of the game is “FOOT ball” and no “PASS ball” or RUN ball”
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We can’t be jokinf about this, MEX. Raiderinparadise is taking this pretty seriously. If we pay Lechler 2 million more than what we could pay King, we might as well forfiet this season. Even though we could probably structure a 4 yr, 12 million contract to have minimal cap hit this season.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
************
Who cares? That’s not the point. The point is Nike has revenue figures it has to meet for shareholders. You think the CEO of NIKE can go to the year end shareholder meeting and tell the people looking for their dividend report ‘Sorry, minimum wage went up 25% (the proposed increase)… our profit margin is down because the increase in wages, so you get no dividends.’ They can’t do that.
Companies exist for 1 reason, to turn a profit. The products and services they sell are the vehicle for them to turn that profit. IF they can’t be profitable then they close the doors. Period.
If you force a company that relies on minimum wage labor to pay more for its workforce, you limit it’s ability to turn a profit. 1 of 2 things happens, either the cost of their product goes up to keep their margins in line, OR the company reduces its workforce to compensate. 1 way or another they are going to continue to make the same profit.
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So through this diatribe, you are saying that “wall street” controls pricing?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
1290.Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:03 pm
I was just reading that article about the the Raiders and a possible new stadium.
The Raiders can’t seem to catch a break with anything. This has to be rock bottom.
^^^^^^^^^
Sad huh?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Where Shane has done his job is in the field advantage. He is one of few (now) that can punt from inside his own 20 to the other end of the 20! Last year, well…but he was paid for a reason! If our defense was seen through a crystal ball as being dominant next year, then hell, give King that spot because we can recover from a 10 yard shank! Yes we do need players everywhere, but unless we also get rid of SeaBass…I wouldn’t screw up the chemistry of the kicking game!
February 20th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
If you force a company that relies on minimum wage labor to pay more for its workforce, you limit it’s ability to turn a profit
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not the case, more people have more money to spend when you raise the min wage, but back to football
February 20th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I was talking about paying Lechler that much, could pay him half that last big contract and it still would have been the largest ever by a punter in NFL history.
Al always over-spent by shocking amounts.
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Wrong. At least 4 punters making over 3 million and Lechlers was artificially high due to a restructure. His true salary was closer to 4 million.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
listen lechler may come back from the injury and be fine, and dhb may end up becoming a #1, and shaughnessy may rebound to his old form, and seymour and kelly may rebound, and mcclain may shock everyone and live up to his draft status etc…. but we don’t have the money to keep everyone and add rooks and sign fa’s so since we’re over the cap and we’re coming off a 4-12 season it’s time to keep putting band aids on the wound and make some tough decisions
February 20th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
MEX_GHOST Says:
May be this is why the name of the game is “FOOT ball” and no “PASS ball” or RUN ball”
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We can’t be jokinf about this, MEX. Raiderinparadise is taking this pretty seriously. If we pay Lechler 2 million more than what we could pay King, we might as well forfiet this season. Even though we could probably structure a 4 yr, 12 million contract to have minimal cap hit this season.
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I wasn´t joking, just making a point in the importance of the kicking game to win, that even the name of the game is “FOOT” and you don´t have to let the job of the punter or the kicker to anybody from the street.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
1295.Thec Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
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Who cares? That’s not the point. The point is Nike has revenue figures it has to meet for shareholders. You think the CEO of NIKE can go to the year end shareholder meeting and tell the people looking for their dividend report ‘Sorry, minimum wage went up 25% (the proposed increase)… our profit margin is down because the increase in wages, so you get no dividends.’ They can’t do that.
Companies exist for 1 reason, to turn a profit. The products and services they sell are the vehicle for them to turn that profit. IF they can’t be profitable then they close the doors. Period.
If you force a company that relies on minimum wage labor to pay more for its workforce, you limit it’s ability to turn a profit. 1 of 2 things happens, either the cost of their product goes up to keep their margins in line, OR the company reduces its workforce to compensate. 1 way or another they are going to continue to make the same profit.
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So through this diatribe, you are saying that “wall street” controls pricing?
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Well, wasn’t Wall Street and all the big corrupt banks bailed out?
Alot of those big corrupt CEO’s and bankers weren’t punished either….but the Ponzi schemer Madoff was pretty much the only one punished?
Crazy world we live in…
February 20th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Where Shane has done his job is in the field advantage. He is one of few (now) that can punt from inside his own 20 to the other end of the 20! Last year, well…but he was paid for a reason! If our defense was seen through a crystal ball as being dominant next year, then hell, give King that spot because we can recover from a 10 yard shank! Yes we do need players everywhere, but unless we also get rid of SeaBass…I wouldn’t screw up the chemistry of the kicking game!
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Shane is set to make with somewhere north of $5 million if I read that report right. More than double of the avg top 5 at his position. He’s a luxury at this point. I would love to keep him, but if his salary can fund other more critical needs now, it’s time to move on to King. I hope they can work something out, but his value is “outta wack”.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Only thing made in america is the maytag washing machine
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And guns
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and rednecks !!
February 20th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
I meant, pay to Shane, the right money, but pay him.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
lol and Toyotas !!
February 20th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Another guy that I see shows up on possible franchise list is #83 Myers. Time to cut bait already. Feed him a 10% raise and tell him to like it or walk. We can easily replace him. Whatever salary raise he ends up getting he should share with Greg Knapp.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
I agree Guest! Just pointing out why he got paid what he did! I hope he can stay for a good price…but King was kept on for a reason! Let’s see if he improves!
February 20th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
1272.The_Judge37 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
1267.DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:45 am
1263.Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:44 am
I would tax the shìt out of any company outsourcing jobs
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Yep!
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Too bad it’s the ones outsourcing the jobs that are in control of making our laws.
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Yep. Hence why those companies are not penalized for saving themselves money by outsourcing jobs.
One of the many problems of this country that they never want to deal with.
Hence why the government wants people “entertained” and the minds of the citizens occupied with mindless bullcrap on TV and sports.
They don’t want citizens to be thinking about all the messed up and upside down crap going on within this country and the world for that matter.
The government doesn’t want a revolution.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
1307.guest123 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Another guy that I see shows up on possible franchise list is #83 Myers. Time to cut bait already. Feed him a 10% raise and tell him to like it or walk. We can easily replace him. Whatever salary raise he ends up getting he should share with Greg Knapp.
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Replace Myers with who? Ausberry still needs to develop and Gordon is a pure blocking TE.
Myers actually showed he can handle being a starter in this league.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
1295.Thec Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Question, how much does it cost to make a pair of Nike Air Jordans?
Keep in mind that manufacturing is done in China.
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Who cares? That’s not the point. The point is Nike has revenue figures it has to meet for shareholders. You think the CEO of NIKE can go to the year end shareholder meeting and tell the people looking for their dividend report ‘Sorry, minimum wage went up 25% (the proposed increase)… our profit margin is down because the increase in wages, so you get no dividends.’ They can’t do that.
Companies exist for 1 reason, to turn a profit. The products and services they sell are the vehicle for them to turn that profit. IF they can’t be profitable then they close the doors. Period.
If you force a company that relies on minimum wage labor to pay more for its workforce, you limit it’s ability to turn a profit. 1 of 2 things happens, either the cost of their product goes up to keep their margins in line, OR the company reduces its workforce to compensate. 1 way or another they are going to continue to make the same profit.
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So through this diatribe, you are saying that “wall street” controls pricing?
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Well, wasn’t Wall Street and all the big corrupt banks bailed out?
Alot of those big corrupt CEO’s and bankers weren’t punished either….but the Ponzi schemer Madoff was pretty much the only one punished?
Crazy world we live in…
February 20th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
inonewordraider Says:
our grossly overpaid players:
CP Disagree
DHB Yes, but I’d let i play out
Briesel Depends how hurt he really was
Huff Disagree
Seymour Highest paid position in Football
Kelly Agree
Mcclain Absolutely agree
Lechler Won’t be that much this time
Branch Disagree
DMAC Doesn’t matter. Last year
Jano You’re kidding, right?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:23 pm
Lets hope Joekel slips to #3 and hope some team like the Eagles, Cards, Rams, fall in love with him so McK can trade down and get more picks.
As of right now though….I don’t see it happening.
If Queefs take Geno, than Joke will fall to #3, but the Eagles will know they can get Fisher also if Cards trade up to #3 for Joke. Plus the Cards probably think Fisher may fall to them anyway.
Right now, it’s looking like the Raiders pick will be Star or Moore.
I would like a trade down though to get Ansah.
If Joke falls to #3, McK needs to play the Eagles and Cards against eachother and fight over who wants Joke more.
Surely, the Eagles do not want to see Cards move up to #3 and snag Joke, cuz Eagles will not want to draft Fisher that high at #4 IMO.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
It goes farther up the ladder than Wall Street.
Old money rules this country.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Replace Myers with who? Ausberry still needs to develop and Gordon is a pure blocking TE.
Myers actually showed he can handle being a starter in this league.
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Myers had all the stars align last year. A retarded OC with a hard and fast scheme that practically begged for the QB to throw the short stuff beneath the sticks. Opposing DC’s gave those stats to Myers keeping an explosive offense bottled up.
If I read the tea leaves right, with Olson’s power run game and downfield passing, TE should not be as much of an offensive weapon as it was in that dink and dunk sytstem. We can replace Myers on the open market, and Gordon can step up his game just in the same way that Myers did.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Reggie needs to find money even if it means the couch cushions. I don’t see any sacred cows on this team. Anybody and everybody needs to chip in and feel the pain or decide to walk. I hope Reggie plays no favorites.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
guest123 Says:
Another guy that I see shows up on possible franchise list is #83 Myers. Time to cut bait already. Feed him a 10% raise and tell him to like it or walk. We can easily replace him. Whatever salary raise he ends up getting he should share with Greg Knapp.
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And the WR’s. Although their regression last year may indeed fall on Knapp’s shoulders, also.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
I’m starting to come around to drafting Dee at 3, if Werner is gone. We have to great a need at either corner or DE that maybe it’s a coin flip. I know everyone says draft BPA, but I think we need to fill immediate needs, because free agency is such a short cycle of life expectancy anyway.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
The word on Palmer was that he didn’t utilize TE’s much. Had little faith in his WR’s last year.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
And the WR’s. Although their regression last year may indeed fall on Knapp’s shoulders, also.
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starting to think that they didn’t really regress. just that maybe they weren’t all that good in the first place. that it was a mirage that they were a budding talented group. look at PFF’s drop leaders and yards per route attempted. all our wideouts lead the categories of worst across the board. to call them mediocre would be high praise. greg knapp is a retard, but the wr’s also didn’t do much to defend themselves.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The government doesn’t want a revolution.
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No, The government no longer has to worry about a revolution. Tell me, how do you revolt against F16’s and F22’s and unmanned drones?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
guest123 Says:
Shane is set to make with somewhere north of $5 million if I read that report right. More than double of the avg top 5 at his position. He’s a luxury at this point. I would love to keep him, but if his salary can fund other more critical needs now, it’s time to move on to King. I hope they can work something out, but his value is “outta wack”.
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Free Agent. Not set to make anything somebody doesn’t offer.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
1315.guest123 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Replace Myers with who? Ausberry still needs to develop and Gordon is a pure blocking TE.
Myers actually showed he can handle being a starter in this league.
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Myers had all the stars align last year. A retarded OC with a hard and fast scheme that practically begged for the QB to throw the short stuff beneath the sticks. Opposing DC’s gave those stats to Myers keeping an explosive offense bottled up.
If I read the tea leaves right, with Olson’s power run game and downfield passing, TE should not be as much of an offensive weapon as it was in that dink and dunk sytstem. We can replace Myers on the open market, and Gordon can step up his game just in the same way that Myers did.
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Sorry, but I have zero confidence in Gordon being able to make tough catches like Myers has shown he can do.
Why would Olsen not involve the TE?
Need to use ALL the weapons on offense.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
bcz24 Says:
No, The government no longer has to worry about a revolution. Tell me, how do you revolt against F16’s and F22’s and unmanned drones?
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Shotgun and a .45 won’t cut it?
February 20th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
The word on Palmer was that he didn’t utilize TE’s much. Had little faith in his WR’s last year.
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hard to trust wr’s who break off routes and drop balls right on their hands. very limited route tree and overall very raw and to be honest, talent depleted.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
starting to think that they didn’t really regress. just that maybe they weren’t all that good in the first place. that it was a mirage that they were a budding talented group. look at PFF’s drop leaders and yards per route attempted. all our wideouts lead the categories of worst across the board. to call them mediocre would be high praise. greg knapp is a retard, but the wr’s also didn’t do much to defend themselves.
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Truth! Our WR’s didn’t regress, the casual fans were just overestimating their ability.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Free Agent. Not set to make anything somebody doesn’t offer.
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yes i know. i’m just talking about if they attempted the franchise tag.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
1321.bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The government doesn’t want a revolution.
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No, The government no longer has to worry about a revolution. Tell me, how do you revolt against F16’s and F22’s and unmanned drones?
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That’s what all those expensive F16′S, F22′S and drones are for and that is why all of those defense contractors and engineers are overpaid? Where is the bottom line? To stop a US Revolution??
God, I hope not! haha
Thats why the Military Industrial Complex also controls this country….sadly.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
Meyers will stay put. He has the best oppurutunity to get the ball in OAK and knows he can’t command big FA interest off one 800 yard season from a 4-12 team. Reggie will give him a little raise maybe with incentives.
Wheeler & Bryant are must keeps. Bryant coming from Harvard was a long shot in the NFL, but he has proven himself and OAK gave him that oppurtunity, he can start for this line next year without doubt and elsehwere he would have much more competition. he stays at a fair price.
Wheeler, I’m not so sure, A team with a solid D-core could give him a nice role, but AGAIN he wouldn’t start/star for many teams and he can be a star in Oakland. The problem is he has a very nice year as a leader, hussle plays and production, he has a lot of leverage since he came to oak on vet minimum as reggie pleaded for hiim to do, now he played great and can say, I did you a favor last year reggie, now your turn kinda thing. dont blame him.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
guest123 Says:
look at PFF’s drop leaders and yards per route attempted. all our wideouts lead the categories of worst across the board. to call them mediocre would be high praise.
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Don’t know about PFF, but Pro Football Reference had no such conclusions. Just looked yesterday.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:39 pm
1325.guest123 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
The word on Palmer was that he didn’t utilize TE’s much. Had little faith in his WR’s last year.
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hard to trust wr’s who break off routes and drop balls right on their hands. very limited route tree and overall very raw and to be honest, talent depleted.
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Called bad offensive coaching and a bad offensive system and bad play calling.
The offense was solid the previous two years under Cable and Hue.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
Shotgun and a .45 won’t cut it?
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LOL. Not so much. A single F22 Raptor can practically wipe out an entire city, and you would never even see it. It has the radar cross section of a bumble bee and cruises at 1100MPH…
February 20th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
1329 Raiderinparadise, I knew we could agree on something.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
Don’t know about PFF, but Pro Football Reference had no such conclusions. Just looked yesterday.
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I think all the PFF numbers are on a report on TFDS yesterday. check it out. and if you need further convincing, re-read Olson’s interview. he basically said none of them stand out. tries to candy it up by calling for thier ‘high ceiling’ but it comes off as unimpressive group. he’s not bs-ing anybody. comes out clean and hard, pulls no punches.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
1321.bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
The government doesn’t want a revolution.
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No, The government no longer has to worry about a revolution. Tell me, how do you revolt against F16’s and F22’s and unmanned drones?
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That’s what all those expensive F16′s, F22′s and Drones are for and that is why all of those defense contractors and engineers are overpaid? Where is the bottom line? To stop a potential US Revolution??
God, I hope not! haha
Thats why the Military Industrial Complex also controls this country….sadly.
After the assasination of JFK, the rest of the Presidents were puppets. At least most of them….
February 20th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
guest123 Says:
yes i know. i’m just talking about if they attempted the franchise tag.
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Oh. I think CBS Sports started it and NBC and everybody else ran with it. Stupidest conjecture of the off season. One of the stupidest ever,IMHO.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:46 pm
another guy on my watch list is miles burris. basically regressed as the season went on and anybody could see that. but the numbers tell the story better than opinions. he was among the worst per play ran at allowing td’s. year 2 is a grow up fast son or get outta dodge season.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
By that same PFF production comparison, Myers significantly outplayed DHB on yards per route run. Reece and Goodson both significantly outproduced DHB. I’ll throw some of that back on Knapp. But players who call themselves #1 WR’s and #1 RB’s are paid to perform. If they don’t, time to give some of that money back or hit the bricks.
February 20th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
DMAC was close to the worst in the league in production per play. Scapegoat Knapp for some of that, but don’t let DMAC completely off the hook. If lesser RB’s had production, something’s wrong with his motivation.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Sorry, but I have zero confidence in Gordon being able to make tough catches like Myers has shown he can do.
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Why not? Prior to last year, Myers career season best was 16 catches. If he can breakout, why can’t Gordon?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
Agreed GUEST123
Burris was a “flash-in-a-pan” kinda player. He needs to gets his shoulders lined-up with the ball carrier … this isn’t SDSU anymore.
He is a hard-worker and has great drive, he’s a guy you know is working hard this off-season to get better. he wouldn’t have seen much more than special teams play anywhere else in the league so glad he got the experience in his rookie year out the way.
I do see instincts with him but the tackling and pursuit angles need work.
Not worried just agree with you that he needs work.
My biggest issue is Huff. So well liked by the team but to me he sucks, so badly, i dont care at CB or Safety … he sucks. no physicality, no ball hawking skills, just plays the game soft … i seen his potential, but man …. last season he was embarassing, i think i broke the most things in my house because of him.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Meyers is an ok catcher.. cant block a lick though. Not a starter. And there’s no punters in the Hall of Fame for a reason they are not very important.. dime a dozen not 5mil a piece..
February 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Huff that embarrassing? really? Out of all of the other 52, he was the worse?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
Gordon is not a TE that gets open…
he’s a TE that is open because he simply isn’t a threat.
You NEED a saefty to be keeping an eye on a TE or a LB to cheat to a TE, and it opens up the seems for the WR’s and others. Meyers can do that … Gordon is a short yardgae, goaline guy. He is a role TE, not a starter.
Ausberry has athletic gifts I like tho.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:05 pm
1324.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
bcz24 Says:
No, The government no longer has to worry about a revolution. Tell me, how do you revolt against F16’s and F22’s and unmanned drones?
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Shotgun and a .45 won’t cut it?
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Power is in the people, not weapons. If they ever did hit our own country with an air strike, it would only open more eyes fuel more revolt. But no one is going to do anything anyways. We’re too spread out as a country to cause any real change.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
Burris is Reggie’s kind of scrub.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
My biggest issue is Huff. So well liked by the team but to me he sucks, so badly, i dont care at CB or Safety … he sucks. no physicality, no ball hawking skills, just plays the game soft … i seen his potential, but man …. last season he was embarassing, i think i broke the most things in my house because of him.
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agreed Raiderinparadise,
Huff does play soft, you rarely see him light up anyone. always seems reactionary instead of punitive. If he were playing in the days of Jack Tatum, I think Assasin woulda slapped him upside the head and get his heart started, cuz he plays like he has no passion. so sick of Huff and don’t care to see him play anymore for the S&B
February 20th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
1343.hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Huff that embarrassing? really? Out of all of the other 52, he was the worse?
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Huff has been anchoring our defense for years, but in the wrong way.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Huff that embarrassing? really? Out of all of the other 52, he was the worse?
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howzit hwnrdr! been a while … but yes Huff was REALLY bad … the worst? Prob not, but to me he stood out … I can remember Manning throwing at him a whole drive, Huff couldn’t stop anything, or make the tackle after giving up the catch. Just think he is really bad, when phillip adams gets in the line-up he immediately looked worthy, so did brandian ross … bad sign for huff.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Huff that embarrassing? really? Out of all of the other 52, he was the worse?
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not the worst, not the best. just ‘meh’ on a really bad team. not part of the solution but part of the problem.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
Lets face it. MEYERS is a number 2 TE.. and a horrible blocker at that.
If he walks , no big deal.
David Thomas would be a cheaper option and probaly as much production .. Just released from Saints.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Meyers has a good thing going with Palmer, when the games become more competitive and meaningful (hopefully this year) Palmer to Meyers will be important. You can’t guarantee a newly brought in TE will work “just cuz” ….
Same reason DHB can go unless he takes a pay cut … Streater and Palmer looked the best out of the WR’s …
Can’t overlook when passing game personnel “click”.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 10:27 am
I just read something I liked,and would like to share with my Raider brethren:
To paraphrase Margaret Thatcher, socialism stops working when they run out of other people’s money.
Ah,look at those European countries, Venezuela, Cuba…
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Cuba has one the highest literacy rates in the world. Also one of the best health systems.
And capitalism stops when the FED -literally- stops printing money. Read up on just what the FED is and I’m sure your views on socialism, capitalism, and the free market will change a bit. (Not advocating one over the other.)
February 20th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
We got alot of guys who are professional check cashers. They need to do promo spots for those check cashing places on the corners across from the greyhound station.
Tommy Kelly for “payday loans r us” smile for the camera TK!
February 20th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
we have so many problems and all I want is a little cap space and some draft picks to start addressing these issues with an a good clean set of contracts that don’t hamstring is the next 5 to 10 years I’m sick of this mess just clean it up this year and be done with it
February 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
1349.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Huff that embarrassing? really? Out of all of the other 52, he was the worse?
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howzit hwnrdr! been a while … but yes Huff was REALLY bad … the worst? Prob not, but to me he stood out … I can remember Manning throwing at him a whole drive, Huff couldn’t stop anything, or make the tackle after giving up the catch. Just think he is really bad, when phillip adams gets in the line-up he immediately looked worthy, so did brandian ross … bad sign for huff.
Howzit Paradise…Yeah, Huff hasn’t lived up to his billing! Funny how he was so called great in college but comes to the pros and…well…
February 20th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
Same reason DHB can go unless he takes a pay cut … Streater and Palmer looked the best out of the WR’s …
Can’t overlook when passing game personnel “click”.
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Nothing personal with DHB. Love his professionalism, good teammate. But he’s holding the team back. We needed him to be a #1 wideout and he just can’t be that guy. Even if takes a drastic reduction in pay to say $2 million next year, that’s just a roster spot and $2 mill less money to go after a real #1 wideout like Greg Jennings. I hope Reggie shows DHB his walking papers no fuss or negotiation. Just terminate.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
The only person who compiled more junk stats than Palmer was Myers.
All those end of the half, end of game catches that were going against compete prevent defenses, that weren’t tough catches in the slightest.
When in traffic and in tight in the goalline, it was clank city.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Meyers would not start on any other top 15 team
February 20th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
we have so many problems and all I want is a little cap space and some draft picks to start addressing these issues with an a good clean set of contracts that don’t hamstring is the next 5 to 10 years I’m sick of this mess just clean it up this year and be done with it
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agreed. but lets not tank the season on purpose. clear out money to use it elsewhere. the old way wasn’t working and it’s time for the new way.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
1339.guest123 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
DMAC was close to the worst in the league in production per play. Scapegoat Knapp for some of that, but don’t let DMAC completely off the hook. If lesser RB’s had production, something’s wrong with his motivation.
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Tough to be motivated when you change to a system that is not suited to your talents and strengths…..for the 2nd time with Krappy Knapp?
Ugh!
February 20th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Meyers drops big balls and cant block. Id only keep him for cheap.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
1358.
agreed. junk stats only count in fantasy football. myers is exactly the same guy we had in 2011, and nothing more. replaceable if his salary demands are outta wack.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
Now is a chance to upgrade. Im sure there is a TE in the 5th round that can come in and push MEYERS out.. Im sure reggie and his scouting team has some guy he is targeting
February 20th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Meyers would not start on any other top 15 team
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would not even make the Patriots as their 4th TE.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
There won’t be much of a FA market for Myers, we could bring him back cheap if need be.
I would rather draft a TE that is more of a big-play guy, that’s the trend of the NFL.
A TE you can get a LB on and go DOWN THE FIELD. Myers gets a LB on him and goes for 6 yards.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:37 pm
New Raider Photo.. taken today.. looks like PRYOR and some guys at raider facility working out
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
http://lockerz.com/s/284381784
February 20th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Pryor taking over the locker room?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Pryor taking over the locker room?
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Hopefully.
Never seemed like Palmer did. Or did he, and 4-12 is his level of leadership?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
?? Boss got cut.
any body want to bring him back ??
February 20th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Well I see everyones TE comments about Meyers.
frankly “junk yards” arguement is wrong … name another TE who gets “regular yards or junk yards” thats had 800 rec yards?
Production is proven.
Potential is not.
Bigger needs on team, you keep Meyers, he had 1 year starting, he will get better … he will develop and he will be playing in a better offense.
For instance, look at KC, Jets, Jaguars, Browns, AZ, none of their QB’s threw for 4,000 plus “junk yards”
If you can produce in good or bad situations your still doing what your supposed to do, some QB and TE dont accumulate anything, even against prevent defenses down big in the 4th.
So I think “junk yards” is not accurate.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Pryor taking over the locker room?
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Hopefully.
Never seemed like Palmer did. Or did he, and 4-12 is his level of leadership?
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Plamer for 4-12? Not defense, or Knapp, or DA rookie year learning the ropes? piss-poor pash rush on D? No-name CB’s pulled off the streets to start?
#plamersfault
idiots
February 20th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
When we went and signed Boss, I went to the Big Blue blogs and such, and all the “Semi-Pro’s” over there were saying Boss is done, anytime he gets hit he never gets up, etc.
When I posted the comments and links on here, everyone told me and them, they don’t know what they are talking about.
Lesson, as always, listen to the Semi’s, they often know more than the national scribes and pundits.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I can remember Manning throwing at him a whole drive, Huff couldn’t stop anything, or make the tackle after giving up the catch. Just think he is really bad, when phillip adams gets in the line-up he immediately looked worthy, so did brandian ross … bad sign for huff.
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He was asked to move to cornerback(pretty much unprecedented) in week three and faced Manning in week four. What did you expect?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
I’m a mfkin B@uceman….B@uceman…B@uceman!
February 20th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Not defense, or Knapp, or DA rookie year learning the ropes?
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Plenty of good QB’s who have overcome bad defenses, made the playoffs with Gregg Knapp and did well with a rookie coach.
Palmer was 4-12 with the Bengals, they canned him and made the playoffs the next two years. We were 12-11 before Palmer came here, 8-19 since.
Palmer owns that.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
1366.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
There won’t be much of a FA market for Myers, we could bring him back cheap if need be.
I would rather draft a TE that is more of a big-play guy, that’s the trend of the NFL.
A TE you can get a LB on and go DOWN THE FIELD. Myers gets a LB on him and goes for 6 yards.
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I agree on this. I like florida TE Jordan Reed.
Would be a good pick by McK…doubt he lasts until Round 3 though.
That is why McK needs to trade down if he can.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
B@uce,
We need an NBA level 3 man, it is killing us nightly.
Do we make a move in the next 24 hours?
February 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
I can remember Manning throwing at him a whole drive, Huff couldn’t stop anything, or make the tackle after giving up the catch. Just think he is really bad, when phillip adams gets in the line-up he immediately looked worthy, so did brandian ross … bad sign for huff.
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He was asked to move to cornerback(pretty much unprecedented) in week three and faced Manning in week four. What did you expect?
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Him to compete.
You think if you ask Ed Reed to move to CB he would do that bad?
Or Tell Revis you need him to play FS …
Huff sucks. Face it.
#7 overall 2006 BUSTtttttttttttt 7 years on the roster.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
1378.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
B@uce,
We need an NBA level 3 man, it is killing us nightly.
Do we make a move in the next 24 hours?
I think that is a must! The 3 games I watched of the W’s this past 2 weeks was horrible! Curry can’t do it all himself!
February 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Oh I’m sure McK wants to cut CP, they want to let go whoever is left from Al and Hue era.
They let go of CP, then they can all blame the team regressing and sucking on Hue and the trade.
February 20th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
Pryor taking over the locker room?
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you live in Alameda like I do….ppl lately have been telling me they see Pryor on the island alot even with teammates. He is putting in the work evidently and we all can be encouraged by it
February 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
I’m a mfkin B@uceman….B@uceman…B@uceman!
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and i am redneckognizeing sir !!!
February 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
In contrast to Barber’s smooth switch from CB to safety, the Raiders’ Michael Huff is going in the opposite direction, a safety for six years who was asked in Week 3 to be a cornerback.”That’s not a transition you see very often,” Barber told reporters by conference call. “Actually, I can’t think of anyone that’s done it.”
Huff found himself beaten repeatedly against Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger and Denver’s Peyton Manning. In retrospect, Huff said he can see where it was of some benefit, even if it was hard at the time.
After the rough outings against Pittsburgh and Denver, Huff played much better against Atlanta after the bye week. And in the Raiders’ past two wins, he has been in coverage for 84 pass plays and has given up one catch for 2 yards.
Jerry McDonald
February 20th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Jano You’re kidding, right?
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you don’t think he’s overpaid? you don’t think cp is overpaid? i’m for keeping jano, but he’s still overpaid
February 20th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Who is the dipshcitt in the middle throwing up gang signs?
Good to see Jacoby Smurf working out.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Streater looked best because he was always going against the 3rd corner on tje other team. Put a #1 corner on him (like dhb, not dmoore, always faces) n he would n shut down. He had his best games when he was the third wr. Lets keep it that way and let him b successful in that role.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:01 pm
Huff, Kelly, Seymour …. all potential players … never had huge impacts in years …. and the whole “seymour locker room guy” i could care less, misses games, doesn’t practice cuz his knees, how does he help? $15 mill a yr for a guy that can talk about his 3 rings in new england?
Kelly a top 5 D-line payday in the league and can’t sniff a sack anymore, stop the run?
Huff, and huff and just a lil texas cream puff.
move on.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
Streater looked best because he was always going against the 3rd corner on tje other team. Put a #1 corner on him (like dhb, not dmoore, always faces) n he would n shut down. He had his best games when he was the third wr. Lets keep it that way and let him b successful in that role.
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1st game on MNF streater gets the only TD and 2pt conversion after barely making the roster.
DHb and Moore were “out” there and did nothing.
Streater is special, he will top 1,000 next year. mark it down
February 20th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
In contrast to Barber’s smooth switch from CB to safety, the Raiders’ Michael Huff is going in the opposite direction, a safety for six years who was asked in Week 3 to be a cornerback.”That’s not a transition you see very often,” Barber told reporters by conference call. “Actually, I can’t think of anyone that’s done it.”
Huff found himself beaten repeatedly against Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger and Denver’s Peyton Manning. In retrospect, Huff said he can see where it was of some benefit, even if it was hard at the time.
After the rough outings against Pittsburgh and Denver, Huff played much better against Atlanta after the bye week. And in the Raiders’ past two wins, he has been in coverage for 84 pass plays and has given up one catch for 2 yards.
Jerry McDonald
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who were our last 2 wins?
Chiefs and Cheifs?
Jaguars and Cheifs?
Impressive improvemetns huff LMAO
February 20th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
The only person who compiled more junk stats than Palmer was Myers.
All those end of the half, end of game catches that were going against compete prevent defenses, that weren’t tough catches in the slightest.
When in traffic and in tight in the goalline, it was clank city.
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Those first fifteen catches without a drop were all in junk time? And the end of the first half is now,in Palmers case, to be considered ‘Junk time’?
Give me a fckin break, Vegas. I’d say you were verging on ludicrous, but you’re so far on the other side I can’t see you.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
1378.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
B@uce,
We need an NBA level 3 man, it is killing us nightly.
Do we make a move in the next 24 hours?
I think that is a must! The 3 games I watched of the W’s this past 2 weeks was horrible! Curry can’t do it all himself!
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U ask any safety who has played safety for 6 yrs to go an play cb they wuld struggle mightily. Cb i the single hardest position on defense to play. U are on an island. Ot takes a completely different set of skills to play than safety. Quicker feet, more agility, better burst. No safety including my favorite player of all time ed reed would struggle to play cb. Most of them wouldnt even try.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
1378.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
B@uce,
We need an NBA level 3 man, it is killing us nightly.
Do we make a move in the next 24 hours?
I think that is a must! The 3 games I watched of the W’s this past 2 weeks was horrible! Curry can’t do it all himself!
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Sorry but Barnes is our 3…if you know responsibilities of a 3 then you cant get rid of him since Rush is gone
Curry has been pissing me off….his decision making has stunk lately. Case in point…W’s were down 93-87 and curry just got a steal….what dopes he do? Dribbles and pulls up from 26 Feet on a fast break and clanks it. Utah goes to line the next two possessions and W’s stay down double digits the rest of the way.
Now rumor is W’s and Pelicans are talking of a Klay for Eric Gordon trade. I wouldnt do it. He is injury prone and not as good a shooter as Klay and his defense isnt as good.
W’s upper mgmt needs to do nada….problem is Mark Jackson. His coaching is direct result of 6 gm losing streak. He plays small ball too much. When Bogut goes out dammit bring in Ezeli. When you wanna sub out D Lee bring in Landy. At times he will have lineups on floor with no offensive threat. Its mind boggling as well that Barnes starts and he sits him for long periods of time.
And I hate the crunchtime lineup of Jack, Curry,Klay,Lee and Landry. Incongruent to the max on so many levels
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Jax and Chefs. written 10/31
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
That’s true NG, but I think you responded to the wrong post!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Any* safety would struggle to play cb
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Jax and Chefs. written 10/31
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lmao hahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha
pathetic
Brady Quinn and Chad Henne.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
February 20th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Remember bloggers argued with me that Tommy Kelly was a good player? LOL
Remember I said the DT combo of Seymour and Kelly wont amount to schit?
Yeah funny…. how…time…..flies….when you’re having funnnnnn!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Yeah Curry is famous for that fast break 3 point shot!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Thats y CBs move to safety late in their careers when they lose their athleticism and cant play on an island anymore
February 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“That’s how the 49ers were built,” Allen says. “Look at their offensive line. The left tackle was a first-round draft choice. Their left guard was a first-round draft choice. Their right tackle was a first-round draft choice.
Looks like Luke or Warmack will be the pick!
Guess these mother effers didn’t learn from picking Berg with their 1st pick last year…oh well!
Maybe Warmack if we were to trade down but not 3rd overall!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
1397.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Jax and Chefs. written 10/31
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lmao hahahhahahahahahahahahahhaha
pathetic
Brady Quinn and Chad Henne.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
You are forgetting that Jerry did say Atlanta as well as his start of improvement!
Anyways…didn’t Reggie say that Huff will go back to safety and he will get a corner or corners?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Reggie will gain alot of my trust if he cuts Palmer,Seymour,Kelly,Huff,Brisiel and McClain all together….wonder how much cap space that affords us
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
That’s true NG, but I think you responded to the wrong post!
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Hahahah damn iphone. Yea my bad. I responding to huff moing to cb obviously
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Well I hope you are all right and that HUFF has a star year. But I have seen enough in 7 years reagrdless positions/switch.
Plus might wanna check his contract. yuck
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
Streater is special, he will top 1,000 next year. mark it down
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Since us agreeing is such a rarity, I will continue to point it out when it happens. This is #2 today.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Justin Huner.. will be drafted by the Raiders.. if he slips to 3rd round.
Mayock has him a Mind 2nd rounder right now
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
1400.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Thats y CBs move to safety late in their careers when they lose their athleticism and cant play on an island anymore
Yup, ask CWood!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
R8eray Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
“That’s how the 49ers were built,” Allen says. “Look at their offensive line. The left tackle was a first-round draft choice. Their left guard was a first-round draft choice. Their right tackle was a first-round draft choice.
Looks like Luke or Warmack will be the pick!
Guess these mother effers didn’t learn from picking Berg with their 1st pick last year…oh well!
Maybe Warmack if we were to trade down but not 3rd overall!
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Luke wont be an elite LT….Warmack in a trade down I am all for. I bet he would be a killer RG
February 20th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
1404.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
That’s true NG, but I think you responded to the wrong post!
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Hahahah damn iphone. Yea my bad. I responding to huff moing to cb obviously
LOL, I know. When I first saw it I was like, huh? But I knew which post you were talking about!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
1405.raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Well I hope you are all right and that HUFF has a star year. But I have seen enough in 7 years reagrdless positions/switch.
Plus might wanna check his contract. yuck
I’m hoping too, brah! We’ll see what Big mac does!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
B, who do you see us taking if we stay at #3?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Huff have a star year? This is season number 8 for his sorry ass! Get him outta here. He has done nothing in Oakland. FS is a playmaker and Huff is not
February 20th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
B, who do you see us taking if we stay at #3?
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Its gonna be Star or one of the pass rushers….let’s pray they pick right one cuz Werner isnt what we need,Jones and Mingo to light to be a 4-3 RDE. I would take Moore or Star
February 20th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
hwnrdr Says:
Anyways…didn’t Reggie say that Huff will go back to safety and he will get a corner or corners?
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Supposedly DA only implemented less than half of his defensive scheme due to personell issues and fully intends to move Huff back to safety and fix the cornerback situation.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen has not unveiled the majority of his defensive scheme
By James Arcellana on Feb 13
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/13/3985016/oakland-raiders-coach-dennis-allen-free-agency-nfl-draft-off-season
February 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
1414.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
B, who do you see us taking if we stay at #3?
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Its gonna be Star or one of the pass rushers….let’s pray they pick right one cuz Werner isnt what we need,Jones and Mingo to light to be a 4-3 RDE. I would take Moore or Star
Yup, I hope they get it right!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
Huffs no cb or fs… just a guy
February 20th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I think Matt Shaughnessy wont be back next year….wonder if Reggie is gonna put 2nd year man Jack Crawford at LDE
February 20th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
the Raiders overpaying for special teamer 0 when we are this bad everywhere else,is like a family that can’t afford the power or the rent only buying designer shoes..
February 20th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Marks Hair…..exactly. Huff doesnt stand out as a good player…He is an eyesore when looking at the last decade of futility
February 20th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Anyways….Peace Out Nation!!!
Check you guys in the AM!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Minor cap increase can result in major spending
Posted by Mike Florio on February 20, 2013, 3:54 PM EST
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This year’s version of the crop report has not yet been disclosed, in part because it still hasn’t been determined. But the indications are that the salary cap will increase more than expected.
As mentioned on Tuesday, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the cap will be at least $122 million. Which means it will be at least $1 million more than widely reported and believed.
So what’s the difference between $121 million and $122 million? Glad you asked. (Even if you didn’t.)
Apart from the obvious “32 teams times $1 million” calculation, increasing the cap by $1 million easily becomes a $5 million expenditure for a team. Since signing bonuses and other guaranteed payments are prorated, and because the salary cap never goes down, an extra million in cap space easily becomes another $5 million in current-year spending.
Which under the obvious “32 teams times $5 million” calculation becomes $160 million dollars.
So that’s why the cap being even only $1 million more than expected is a big deal. And there’s a chance it could be even more than $1 million more than expected.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Shane can bounce….dont need him back
February 20th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Jack crawford? nah.. he is about 2 yrs away still
February 20th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Huff have a star year? This is season number 8 for his sorry ass! Get him outta here. He has done nothing in Oakland. FS is a playmaker and Huff is not
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110% agree, ditch em.
Was just saying if he stays I was hoping all the idiots in here would be right that he would be ok at CB.
If it were my team:
Kelly gone
Seymour gone
Huff gone
Shop Tyvonn branch see if can get into the 2nd round for him. Never know? If can I would deal him right away.
DHB must take big pay cut.
Palmer must take big pay cut.
Sign Wheeler & Bryant & Adams
Low-Ball Lechler for 2mill a yr or less (reece will make 1.4 next yr to put into persepctive) no more, if he don’t like… say hi to marquette king.
Use extra space on Jake Long for LT. Move Veldherr to RT.
Holla
February 20th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Gotta say I am tired of watching Huff play Multiple PRO BOWL CONTRACT
Average player at best
February 20th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Jack crawford? nah.. he is about 2 yrs away still
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How do you figure?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Reggie likes em slow, weak and dumb.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
Huff have a star year? This is season number 8 for his sorry ass! Get him outta here. He has done nothing in Oakland. FS is a playmaker and Huff is not
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110% agree, ditch em.
Was just saying if he stays I was hoping all the idiots in here would be right that he would be ok at CB.
If it were my team:
Kelly gone
Seymour gone
Huff gone
Shop Tyvonn branch see if can get into the 2nd round for him. Never know? If can I would deal him right away.
DHB must take big pay cut.
Palmer must take big pay cut.
Sign Wheeler & Bryant & Adams
Low-Ball Lechler for 2mill a yr or less (reece will make 1.4 next yr to put into persepctive) no more, if he don’t like… say hi to marquette king.
Use extra space on Jake Long for LT. Move Veldherr to RT.
Holla
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I like your post but let me help ya out….Palmer needs to go as does Shane Lechler. DHB get outta here too
Love your LT and RT idea! I been saying Veldheer is a RT. He run blocks better than he pass blocks. Means he is a RT
February 20th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
How do you figure?
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he was a project when drafted. Then seeing him play this year.. He might be cut this year .. never know. IMO I didnt see really anything out of the guy. OT just manhandled him
February 20th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Its gonna be Star or one of the pass rushers….let’s pray they pick right one cuz Werner isnt what we need,Jones and Mingo to light to be a 4-3 RDE. I would take Moore or Star
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i been saying we should get star, you coming around or still on moore? how would feel about warmack?
Veldheer Warmack Wiz
February 20th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I say Reggie needs to a take a chance on 33 yr old right guard Damien Moore. He is perfect for power blocking and can block UTs one on one. 3 yr contract should do it. Can you imagine our right side in the run game consisting of Moore and Veldheer along with a TE? DMAC would run wild brutha!
February 20th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Jake Long WOULD NOT be an upgrade at LT, especially in pass protection.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Jack Crawford has too much John Amechi in him for my liking.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
How do you figure?
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he was a project when drafted. Then seeing him play this year.. He might be cut this year .. never know. IMO I didnt see really anything out of the guy. OT just manhandled him
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Fair enough…..but I’d like to see him one more year…but wont mind signing a vet at LDE or even drafting a diamond in rough in mid rounds….I dunno someone like david Bass from Missour Western State
February 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Whats the 1st thing u learn in football? If you cant hit u cant play.. meyers not a starter. Huff not a starter…
February 20th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Its gonna be Star or one of the pass rushers….let’s pray they pick right one cuz Werner isnt what we need,Jones and Mingo to light to be a 4-3 RDE. I would take Moore or Star
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i been saying we should get star, you coming around or still on moore? how would feel about warmack?
Veldheer Warmack Wiz
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I never said I was against Star…I like his game alot. We need a RDE and NT….but I’m more inclined to believe a pass rusher is the biggest fear of an opposing offense. So no I havent come off Moore yet
Warmack I would love to have but we would have to trade down
February 20th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Whats the 1st thing u learn in football? If you cant hit u cant play.. meyers not a starter. Huff not a starter…
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ausberry good hands out of sc, if myers is here for his hands not his blocking, how much do we gain by re-signing myers?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Veldheer-Whoever-Wiz-Warmack-Jake Long + Carson Palmer = 5-11
February 20th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
Plamer for 4-12? Not defense, or Knapp, or DA rookie year learning the ropes? piss-poor pash rush on D? No-name CB’s pulled off the streets to start?
#plamersfault
idiots
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Agree #3
February 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
If we traded down with Rams and got the 16th and 22nd picks a great chance of getting building blocks on both lines can occur
16th Chance Warmack
22nd John Hankins
But I’d like the Rams 2nd or 3rd in this draft because I still need a RDE
February 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
What part of RAIDERS NEED PASS RUSHERS dont these guys get???
Dennis Allen said last year it would be nice if they had a pass rusher.. he comes from where they had Von Miller.
DT is deepest in the draft. NFL.Com scout said 10 DTS could go in Top 60. THE PREMIUM is higher on a PASS RUSHER.
A LEGIT speed/ power rusher could make ur whole line better.. would def make shannashey better who got dbl teamed
Im still weary of Daomontre Moore.. seems like he doesnt have elite burst. I have seen him top 10.. to late 1st round on some mocks.
I would also trade back and draft Dion Jordan who will be top 10 or Ezkeil Ansah with huge upside.
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Yep! I agree with this. Trade back and get Ansah or Jordan.
Ansah. 6′6, 270 and can line up at RDE in 4-3 from the get go. Can also stand up in 3-4 looks and rush the passer and hold the edge.
Needs to work on technique and leverage.
Ansha is also bigger, stronger and more athletic than D Moore also. D Moore, 6′3, 250.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Veldheer-Whoever-Wiz-Warmack-Jake Long + Carson Palmer = 5-11
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I agree your tackles are flip flopped and Warmack I know played college LG….maybe he can do RG wont mind it…here’s a better one
Long-Warmack-Wiz-Moore-Veldheer+ anyone but Palmer= 7-9 or 8-8
February 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Why would the Rams waste all those valuable resources to trade up in this epicly bad top of the draft?
Can’t see it happening. They will stay put and get some WR’s to team up with Bradford.
They’ve already drafted a ton of O and D-lineman at the top of the draft the last 5 years.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
If we traded down with Rams and got the 16th and 22nd picks a great chance of getting building blocks on both lines can occur
16th Chance Warmack
22nd John Hankins
But I’d like the Rams 2nd or 3rd in this draft because I still need a RDE
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Not a big fan of Hankins.
I would rather have Zeke Ansah or Kwann Short.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 18th, 2013 at 1:08 pm
What part of RAIDERS NEED PASS RUSHERS dont these guys get???
Dennis Allen said last year it would be nice if they had a pass rusher.. he comes from where they had Von Miller.
DT is deepest in the draft. NFL.Com scout said 10 DTS could go in Top 60. THE PREMIUM is higher on a PASS RUSHER.
A LEGIT speed/ power rusher could make ur whole line better.. would def make shannashey better who got dbl teamed
Im still weary of Daomontre Moore.. seems like he doesnt have elite burst. I have seen him top 10.. to late 1st round on some mocks.
I would also trade back and draft Dion Jordan who will be top 10 or Ezkeil Ansah with huge upside.
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Yep! I agree with this. Trade back and get Ansah or Jordan.
Ansah. 6′6, 270 and can line up at RDE in 4-3 from the get go. Can also stand up in 3-4 looks and rush the passer and hold the edge.
Needs to work on technique and leverage.
Ansha is also bigger, stronger and more athletic than D Moore also. D Moore, 6′3, 250.
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My god stop with the Ansah crap. Since when is he stronger than Moore? You base that on weight? You prolly never been a fight then. Ansah is very athletic but is he a starter at RDE? He played LDE more so in college and didnt do alot
6′4 250 is small huh? How about Demarcus Ware? Same size of D Moore
February 20th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
I see our best trade partner as AZ, with them wanting to move up to ensure getting their choice at QB.
Should get their 3rd out of it.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Follow the B@uceman, If Warmack is still there at 16. Tempted to take him at #3 to protect our most valuable asset. Carson Palmer.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Why would the Rams waste all those valuable resources to trade up in this epicly bad top of the draft?
Can’t see it happening. They will stay put and get some WR’s to team up with Bradford.
They’ve already drafted a ton of O and D-lineman at the top of the draft the last 5 years.
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Yep. The chances of them trading up that high is slim to none.
They probably look to get tayvon Austin with one of those picks. More weapons for Bradford.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Why would the Rams waste all those valuable resources to trade up in this epicly bad top of the draft?
Can’t see it happening. They will stay put and get some WR’s to team up with Bradford.
They’ve already drafted a ton of O and D-lineman at the top of the draft the last 5 years.
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They want line protection for Bradford more than a damn WR
Now if they stand pat they will draft an Olineman with the 16th pick….thats a given…at 22 i can see them go after Keenan allen
But why do you think they wont move up. We always here of bad drafts and this is a good draft but really it never pans out that way now does it? If they are convinced Joeckel is a primetime LT and can get him wouldnt it make sense for them to entertain the idea?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
I see our best trade partner as AZ, with them wanting to move up to ensure getting their choice at QB.
Should get their 3rd out of it.
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Cards will want Geno or Joekel at #3 I would think?
February 20th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Ansah scares me, the stigma of these foreign born players got some steam with Prince Amukamura crying in the locker room after getting picked on.
Guys like Otah, Okoye, Okoybe, they get hurt for the first time and turn their attention to working in the medical field or running a hedge fund, grinding out football seasons is very low on the priority list.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Follow the B@uceman, If Warmack is still there at 16. Tempted to take him at #3 to protect our most valuable asset. Carson Palmer.
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You are not taking a guard at 3…just stop bruh
Our most valuable asset is McFadden and Chance would open holes for him. Carson will nada the rest of his career except take a schit and sit down in it
February 20th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
They want line protection for Bradford more than a damn WR
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They drafted Saffold #33 overall two years ago, and he got hurt last year.
That’s their LT.
Didn’t they just took a look at crazy azz Titus Young?
WR = #1 priority for St. Louis
February 20th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
Ansah scares me, the stigma of these foreign born players got some steam with Prince Amukamura crying in the locker room after getting picked on.
Guys like Otah, Okoye, Okoybe, they get hurt for the first time and turn their attention to working in the medical field or running a hedge fund, grinding out football seasons is very low on the priority list.
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Maybe but not Osi Umenyora ….but your point has some steam to it
Ansah is just an athlete to me. I dont see a football player
February 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
But why do you think they wont move up.
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Because having the 16 and 22 is way more valuable than the #3 overall.
You get two players for the price of one.
February 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
They want line protection for Bradford more than a damn WR
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They drafted Saffold #33 overall two years ago, and he got hurt last year.
That’s their LT.
Didn’t they just took a look at crazy azz Titus Young?
WR = #1 priority for St. Louis
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Why dont you go and view what Ram fans think about him……2nd round guy who is in his 4th season or take a chance on a top ten first rd LT? I dunno what do you think?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
no way rams make that deal…. no way
February 20th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
But why do you think they wont move up.
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Because having the 16 and 22 is way more valuable than the #3 overall.
You get two players for the price of one.
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What the hell? Would you take two above average players or a potential pro bowler for years to come?
No way is 16 and 22 more valuable….you are crazy…if I have to explain why then something is wrong
February 20th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
no way rams make that deal…. no way
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Yeah ok…..no way Atlanta did what they did in 2011 either right?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
2nd round guy who is in his 4th season or take a chance on a top ten first rd LT?
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Well, that’s my second point.
They just spent the #2 overall on Jason Smith in ‘09, and #33 overall on Stafford.
You telling me their are going to spend ANOTHER two 1sts on their 3rd LT in 4 drafts?
Spend 3 1st’s (including #2 overall) and a high second on one position?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Geno goes 1 or 2..
February 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Geno goes 1 or 2..
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That’s fine with me i just don’t want the Raiders to take him
February 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Carson Palmer > Michael Jordan.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
B, I agree with Star disagree with Moore…just my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own.
How about them other two cats from Florida State?
Brandon Jenkins and Cornellius Carradine?
I also like Rambo from Georgia and Kevin Reddick from N.C.!!
February 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
2nd round guy who is in his 4th season or take a chance on a top ten first rd LT?
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Well, that’s my second point.
They just spent the #2 overall on Jason Smith in ‘09, and #33 overall on Stafford.
You telling me their are going to spend ANOTHER two 1sts on their 3rd LT in 4 drafts?
Spend 3 1st’s (including #2 overall) and a high second on one position?
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Is it not obvious then what the Rams have been searching for the last 4 years?
Rams need a LT bad for their franchise QB right? They play vs NFC West pass rushers…..you think Fisher is gonna give a damn about that? This is a different regime than what Rams had before dont forget that
February 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Atl trade was different clearly.. they drafted a difference maker at wide receiver because they thought they were very very close. Not another OT in a long line of ots
February 20th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Carson will nada the rest of his career except take a schit and sit down in it
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The Palmer debates are fun from my perspective ‘cuz love him or hate him, we all know who’s starting next season. That’s right, CP3!
February 20th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Atl trade was different clearly.. they drafted a difference maker at wide receiver because they thought they were very very close. Not another OT in a long line of ots
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Rams were 7-8-1 beating 3 playoff teams last season. We talking a possible playoff team with tough losses vs det and mia along with that tie vs SF. You are crazy if you think they are 3-13 type of team I’m touting. You dont think they are close? Or that they dont see themselves as close? This is Jeff Fisher we talking about
February 20th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Carson will nada the rest of his career except take a schit and sit down in it
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The Palmer debates are fun from my perspective ‘cuz love him or hate him, we all know who’s starting next season. That’s right, CP3!
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Another loss season with no hope of optimism. If he is cut I cant wait to see the blog…..gonna be funny
February 20th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Warmack would be a killer RG or LG….IMO.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
brandon jenkins looks like a steal
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
R8eray Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
B, I agree with Star disagree with Moore…just my opinion, everyone is entitled to their own.
How about them other two cats from Florida State?
Brandon Jenkins and Cornellius Carradine?
I also like Rambo from Georgia and Kevin Reddick from N.C.!!
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I hear ya….your opinion is fine its not all stupid as most on here.
FSU guys I’m weary on
I love Kevin Reddick…..I dont wanna tout him so much and just keep him a secret but its out the bag…thanks alot. I think he would be an upgrade over McClain day 1. His tackling gets knocked but taking him in mid rounds I think would work out for us
Now I can get down with Rambo…I like Cyprien and Thomas more but Rambo is a playmaker unlike huff. Like his size and speed. B@uceman would welcome him to Oakland for sure
February 20th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
You are not taking a guard at 3…just stop bruh
Our most valuable asset is McFadden and Chance would open holes for him. Carson will nada the rest of his career except take a schit and sit down in it
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if steve hutchinson was there at #3, would you take him?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
You dont think they are close? Or that they dont see themselves as close?
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Yup, a difference maker at WR away
February 20th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
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Only took you 20 minutes to respond lol
I see a mixed bag for sure there
You took richardson who is a RB lmao
Dareus I would take over your two
VY sucks as a QB but in that scenario he is better than the two guys….did make some excitement for Titans in those years
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Another loss season with no hope of optimism.
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This is what we can expect if Palmer IS cut.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
You dont think they are close? Or that they dont see themselves as close?
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Yup, a difference maker at WR away
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no the OL is seen as the biggest weakness on team. WRs not gonna do much if QB is on his back or running for his life
February 20th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
That Hutchinson draft day trade was a flop by Green Bay.
They traded Matt Hassleback and their #17 pick (which turned to Hutchinson) to move up to #10 and also got a 3rd out of it.
GB turned that into Jamal Reynolds and Torrance Marshall.
Well at least we don’t have GB’s scouts over here……….
February 20th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
FSU players brandon jenkins or even carradine in round 3 would be good McK picks….
February 20th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
Another loss season with no hope of optimism. If he is cut I cant wait to see the blog…..gonna be funny
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I have well placed hope and optimism and will even if Pryor starts. Which would mean Palmer was cut. If so, I’ll be here taking my lumps but btchin like a mthrfckr.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Poprox13 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Another loss season with no hope of optimism.
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This is what we can expect if Palmer IS cut.
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Actually you’re wrong. We will have excitement because we will see a young qb emerge or a mid level vet start which means 2014 we will get our franchise QB….this is a win-win situation….you get rid of a quitter and you move forward….Palmer holding us back and will get booed big time this year
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1473.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
^^^^^^^^^^
I would take 16 and 22 cuz it offers more trade flexibility than just haveing #3.
Having #16 and #22 will allow McK to trade up or down even more.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
We never know who will surprise in NFL in 2013
But one thing is for sure….Raiders right now will have 4th easiest schedule in NFL.
Pryor vs Cheap Vet Qb vs Rookie draft pick for starting QB…..this is how you gonna get schit moving on the up and up
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Whats up Raider fans and others? Cant wait to see what our moves are gonna be. Get it right Reggie!
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1473.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
^^^^^^^^^^
I would take 16 and 22 cuz it offers more trade flexibility than just haveing #3.
Having #16 and #22 will allow McK to trade up or down even more.
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What? 3rd pick is worth more on value chart with NFL gms than the 16th and 22nd pick
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
if last year taught us anything, the bloggers aka semi pro’s no more than the gm and coaching staff.
So I say draft Star @3
Cut DHB, Briesel, Kelly, Huff, Mcclain
Let Walk Lechler Seymour (Shaughnessey and Carter if we go 3-4 which some are speculating with Tarver DC)
Resign Bryant Wheeler and Myers (for the right price if Cp’s back/chemistry)
what say you?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Only took you 20 minutes to respond lol
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That’s some decent “research” in 20 minutes!!!!
February 20th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
PlunkHOF in the hoooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuusssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
Yes bruh great to see ya on! You have missed the sock puppet show…it has upgraded in its futility
February 20th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
On the bright side:
The AFC West could be WIDE OPEN the next 2 years…
–Peyton Manning ain’t getting any younger, arm strength wise and he looked anything but sharp in his biggest playoff game in Dungver. I predict it won’t be much longer before another injury forces his retirement. Possibly next season. When he goes down Dungver will be lost without him. No Bronhoe QB replacement is yet on the horizon.
–SD will be transitioning to a new coach and a new system. Cryme A. Rivers is raking up the turnovers and there time has shut the door on their once talented team. Best years talent-wise are behind them.
Kansas Pity–Transitioning to a new coach with a new offensive system. Reid may be the wildcard of the AFC West in the next few years BUT they have no quarter back to speak of and no big name coming free that can create fear. Reid has developed QBs well in his time in Philly but even he will have to take at least a couple of years to groom a winning QB.
That leaves us, the RAIDERS:
We have been able to keep continuity at the Head Coach position and will be starting against two HCs new to the division and their respective teams. Our offense, if utilized well and with many of the same pieces CAN return to 2011 form–its not a sure thing but possible.
IF our O returns to form, DA may be able to get a low talent Defense up to AT LEAST bend-but-not-break capability. Out D did improve toward the end of last season. AND IF Reggie and DA can make a splash this draft and FA season, we could add some key pieces to come up with enough wins to be respectable and make a good run 2014.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
What up B? I’ve been lurking some.. not posting much. Feeling lots better and I’m back to work.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Only took you 20 minutes to respond lol
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That’s some decent “research” in 20 minutes!!!!
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Decent?
That reminds me of the line Sean Connery said to Nick Cage in “The Rock”
“Your best? I dont want your best. Losers try their best. Winners go home and fk the prom queen!”
February 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
What up B? I’ve been lurking some.. not posting much. Feeling lots better and I’m back to work.
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Hell yeah glad to hear you on road to feeling 100 pct! Now we need your presence at the game this season….and I need to jet up to Reno and see whats really good
February 20th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Poprox13 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Another loss season with no hope of optimism.
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This is what we can expect if Palmer IS cut.
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Actually you’re wrong. We will have excitement because we will see a young qb emerge or a mid level vet start which means 2014 we will get our franchise QB….this is a win-win situation….you get rid of a quitter and you move forward….Palmer holding us back and will get booed big time this year
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I want the Raiders to win as many games as possible even if we dont get to the playoffs. Palmer as QB is our best bet to win those games. Pryor or a mid level vet is not gonna win those games.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
1487.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1473.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
^^^^^^^^^^
I would take 16 and 22 cuz it offers more trade flexibility than just haveing #3.
Having #16 and #22 will allow McK to trade up or down even more.
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What? 3rd pick is worth more on value chart with NFL gms than the 16th and 22nd pick
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Value chart is not as “valued” since the new rookie cap IMO.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
On the bright side:
The AFC West could be WIDE OPEN the next 2 years…
–Peyton Manning ain’t getting any younger, arm strength wise and he looked anything but sharp in his biggest playoff game in Dungver. I predict it won’t be much longer before another injury forces his retirement. Possibly next season. When he goes down Dungver will be lost without him. No Bronhoe QB replacement is yet on the horizon.
–SD will be transitioning to a new coach and a new system. Cryme A. Rivers is raking up the turnovers and there time has shut the door on their once talented team. Best years talent-wise are behind them.
Kansas Pity–Transitioning to a new coach with a new offensive system. Reid may be the wildcard of the AFC West in the next few years BUT they have no quarter back to speak of and no big name coming free that can create fear. Reid has developed QBs well in his time in Philly but even he will have to take at least a couple of years to groom a winning QB.
That leaves us, the RAIDERS:
We have been able to keep continuity at the Head Coach position and will be starting against two HCs new to the division and their respective teams. Our offense, if utilized well and with many of the same pieces CAN return to 2011 form–its not a sure thing but possible.
IF our O returns to form, DA may be able to get a low talent Defense up to AT LEAST bend-but-not-break capability. Out D did improve toward the end of last season. AND IF Reggie and DA can make a splash this draft and FA season, we could add some key pieces to come up with enough wins to be respectable and make a good run 2014.
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i’ve been optimistic about the Raiders since i’ve been born, but you’re telling me denvers not taking the division handily? pass that kool aid
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
You know I’ll have the finest tree if you come over the mountain
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Follow the B@uceman, C’mon man. I spent a lot of time at Cincy Jungle when we got Palmer and easily half the fans didn’t blame Palmer in the least. They blamed Mike Brown. Didn’t matter if they liked Palmer or not. Google Mike Brown. The whole first page of results is about the worst and cheapest owner in all of pro sports.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
if last year taught us anything, the bloggers aka semi pro’s no more than the gm and coaching staff.
So I say draft Star @3
Cut DHB, Briesel, Kelly, Huff, Mcclain
Let Walk Lechler Seymour (Shaughnessey and Carter if we go 3-4 which some are speculating with Tarver DC)
Resign Bryant Wheeler and Myers (for the right price if Cp’s back/chemistry)
what say you?
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LOL on first line
Palmer gotta go dude and he wont restructure for anything under 8 mil I promise you that
3-4 I hate…I’m a 4-3 guy and the head coach who i hate as well if 4-3…doubt we go 3-4
I can live with Star but we better have a dynamic pass rusher because Star will take up double teams allowing the UT and RDE one on one shots at the qb
February 20th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
You know I’ll have the finest tree if you come over the mountain
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
February 20th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
1487.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1473.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
I would rather have #16 and 22 over 3.
Let’s look back reflectively:
2012-Richardson or Quinton Coples and Weeden (I’ll take Richardson)
2011- You get either Marcell Dareus or Costanzo and Ryan Kerrigan (I’d take the two players)
2010-Gerald McCoy or Derrick Morgan and Demaruis Thomas (give me the two guys)
2009- Tyson Jackson or Larry English and Percy Harvin (not even close; give me Harvin and whoever Larry English is)
2008- Matty Ice or DRC and Felix Jones (take the QB)
2007-Joe Thomas or Justin Harrell and Brady Quinn (lol; OK not the best example on my end)
2006- Vince Young or Jason Allen and Manny Lawson (take the two cheaper stiffs over the more expensive one stiff)
So, it isn’t so cut and dry in my eyes. I’ll take #16 and #22 unless a QB is involved.
^^^^^^^^^^
I would take 16 and 22 cuz it offers more trade flexibility than just haveing #3.
Having #16 and #22 will allow McK to trade up or down even more.
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What? 3rd pick is worth more on value chart with NFL gms than the 16th and 22nd pick
^^^^^^^^^
Value chart is not as “valued” since the new rookie cap IMO.
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Go into detail please
February 20th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
There will be pass rushers in Round 3 IMO.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Follow the B@uceman, C’mon man. I spent a lot of time at Cincy Jungle when we got Palmer and easily half the fans didn’t blame Palmer in the least. They blamed Mike Brown. Didn’t matter if they liked Palmer or not. Google Mike Brown. The whole first page of results is about the worst and cheapest owner in all of pro sports.
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This is the trend with Palmer….never his fault
Wasnt his fault as a kid when his team loss
Wasnt his fault in HS his teams werent top dog
Wasnt his fault he sucked at USC until his senior year when he had a stacked team that didnt win national title
Wasnt his fault Cincy stunk
Wasnt his fault for being 8-16 in Oakland
You see a pattern here?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
On the bright side:
The AFC West could be WIDE OPEN the next 2 years…
–Peyton Manning ain’t getting any younger, arm strength wise and he looked anything but sharp in his biggest playoff game in Dungver. I predict it won’t be much longer before another injury forces his retirement. Possibly next season. When he goes down Dungver will be lost without him. No Bronhoe QB replacement is yet on the horizon.
–SD will be transitioning to a new coach and a new system. Cryme A. Rivers is raking up the turnovers and there time has shut the door on their once talented team. Best years talent-wise are behind them.
Kansas Pity–Transitioning to a new coach with a new offensive system. Reid may be the wildcard of the AFC West in the next few years BUT they have no quarter back to speak of and no big name coming free that can create fear. Reid has developed QBs well in his time in Philly but even he will have to take at least a couple of years to groom a winning QB.
That leaves us, the RAIDERS:
We have been able to keep continuity at the Head Coach position and will be starting against two HCs new to the division and their respective teams. Our offense, if utilized well and with many of the same pieces CAN return to 2011 form–its not a sure thing but possible.
IF our O returns to form, DA may be able to get a low talent Defense up to AT LEAST bend-but-not-break capability. Out D did improve toward the end of last season. AND IF Reggie and DA can make a splash this draft and FA season, we could add some key pieces to come up with enough wins to be respectable and make a good run 2014.
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i’ve been optimistic about the Raiders since i’ve been born, but you’re telling me denvers not taking the division handily? pass that kool aid
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As it stands right now yes Dungver takes it BUT in the next few…I tell ya Peyton is not holding-up his noodle arm had him throwing some wobblers last year. How much longer will he last?
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
So put me on the list of people wanting to trade down. I think our #1 priority should be a pass rusher. I’m not as down as my friend Brien on CP3. I think with improved OLine system and a running game, he still has some promise.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
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Value chart is not as “valued” since the new rookie cap IMO.
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Value chart has always been wiggity wack. Don’t reference it.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
There will be pass rushers in Round 3 IMO.
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LOL…they’re in every round…..but we need a dope dominant RDE…I dont want this Matt Shaugnessy Des Bryant horse schit where they can net 12-14 sacks in a season….no thank you
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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This is the trend with Palmer….never his fault
Wasnt his fault as a kid when his team loss
Wasnt his fault in HS his teams werent top dog
Wasnt his fault he sucked at USC until his senior year when he had a stacked team that didnt win national title
Wasnt his fault Cincy stunk
Wasnt his fault for being 8-16 in Oakland
You see a pattern here?
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Yeah. But maybe it wasn’t his fault. That is certainly true in Cincy and here.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_22630218/poole-oakland-raiders-brass-still-must-prove-themselves
February 20th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
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Value chart is not as “valued” since the new rookie cap IMO.
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Value chart has always been wiggity wack. Don’t reference it.
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I advise you to not reference any Kris Kross slang from the early 90s as well then
February 20th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
B,
PFF’s review on Safford (Rams Pass-blocking was ranked 21st in the NFL):
After a rookie year where he got too much praise, and a sophomore season where he earned his criticism, I for one wasn’t expecting much from Rodger Saffold (+8.6). Color me wrong, as he excelled in pass protection, looking like the player he was drafted to be.
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
star+jenkins=very successful draft
February 20th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
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This is the trend with Palmer….never his fault
Wasnt his fault as a kid when his team loss
Wasnt his fault in HS his teams werent top dog
Wasnt his fault he sucked at USC until his senior year when he had a stacked team that didnt win national title
Wasnt his fault Cincy stunk
Wasnt his fault for being 8-16 in Oakland
You see a pattern here?
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Yeah. But maybe it wasn’t his fault. That is certainly true in Cincy and here.
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Glenny…you cant be serious!
His football career is marred with losing and even more losing
Cincy immediately made playoffs back to back years when franchise never has done it before as soon as this mfker left
Now he gets a pass for 30-40 turnovers in a year and a half with only 8 wins vs 16 losses? Amazing
Rich kids always get a pass…no wonder people angry in this country
February 20th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Value chart has always been wiggity wack. Don’t reference it.
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I advise you to not reference any Kris Kross slang from the early 90s as well then
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seymour still wears his pants in reverse, back pockets in front
February 20th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
B,
PFF’s review on Safford (Rams Pass-blocking was ranked 21st in the NFL):
After a rookie year where he got too much praise, and a sophomore season where he earned his criticism, I for one wasn’t expecting much from Rodger Saffold (+8.6). Color me wrong, as he excelled in pass protection, looking like the player he was drafted to be.
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So what? I said about what Rams fans were saying about him. NFL is tough business and if they can get a the top LT in draft you better believe Saffold is going to RT eventually
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
1504.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Follow the B@uceman, C’mon man. I spent a lot of time at Cincy Jungle when we got Palmer and easily half the fans didn’t blame Palmer in the least. They blamed Mike Brown. Didn’t matter if they liked Palmer or not. Google Mike Brown. The whole first page of results is about the worst and cheapest owner in all of pro sports.
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This is the trend with Palmer….never his fault
Wasnt his fault as a kid when his team loss
Wasnt his fault in HS his teams werent top dog
Wasnt his fault he sucked at USC until his senior year when he had a stacked team that didnt win national title
Wasnt his fault Cincy stunk
Wasnt his fault for being 8-16 in Oakland
You see a pattern here?
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Nah Boss…..it’s ALLLLLLLL Palmers fault bruh! haha
February 20th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
1513.inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
star+jenkins=very successful draft
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For the 1st two picks yeah.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
star+jenkins=very successful draft
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Interesting….Jenkins was better than Werner and got hurt last year…I still dont like FSU players but taking him in 3rd might not be bad if that foot is healthy
February 20th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
1504.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Follow the B@uceman, C’mon man. I spent a lot of time at Cincy Jungle when we got Palmer and easily half the fans didn’t blame Palmer in the least. They blamed Mike Brown. Didn’t matter if they liked Palmer or not. Google Mike Brown. The whole first page of results is about the worst and cheapest owner in all of pro sports.
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This is the trend with Palmer….never his fault
Wasnt his fault as a kid when his team loss
Wasnt his fault in HS his teams werent top dog
Wasnt his fault he sucked at USC until his senior year when he had a stacked team that didnt win national title
Wasnt his fault Cincy stunk
Wasnt his fault for being 8-16 in Oakland
You see a pattern here?
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Nah Boss…..it’s ALLLLLLLL Palmers fault bruh! haha
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The Palmermaniacs have more excuses that a guy going to jail
February 20th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
than*
February 20th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
B, didn’t Palmer take all the blame in all the losses we had? Every presser I saw he was saying it was on him that Dmoore wasn’t doing well. taking blame the entire time. Even when it was total bs and clearly nNOT his fault.
I am not saying he is a great QB but he is capable of things at that position few QBs we’ve had since Gannon were.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
I advise you to not reference any Kris Kross slang from the early 90s as well then
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hahahaha. good one.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
B, how do you feel about Marcus Allen in light of your feelings towards USC?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
You see a pattern here?
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Yes I do. He went to USC so you don’t like him…Period.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
B, didn’t Palmer take all the blame in all the losses we had? Every presser I saw he was saying it was on him that Dmoore wasn’t doing well. taking blame the entire time. Even when it was total bs and clearly nNOT his fault.
I am not saying he is a great QB but he is capable of things at that position few QBs we’ve had since Gannon were.
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No not all losses but he did take blame in a few for sure. He is capable is pick sixes unlike any qb we have had since Gannon
He not staying out 13 mil tag and I doubt he restructures to a 4-5 mil for this season
I want him gone. Sick of him. I hate USC QBs. We not making a run next yeasr more than liekly so why pay to go 5-11 or 6-10? Let someone new take the reins. Makes more sense at end of the day
February 20th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
B, how do you feel about Marcus Allen in light of your feelings towards USC?
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I booed Mucus Allen last year when we played Steelers. I’m on Al’s side. In Mucus’ case it had nada to do with USC. I dont like USC qbs not all USC players
February 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Glenny…you cant be serious!
His football career is marred with losing and even more losing
Cincy immediately made playoffs back to back years when franchise never has done it before as soon as this mfker left
Now he gets a pass for 30-40 turnovers in a year and a half with only 8 wins vs 16 losses? Amazing
Rich kids always get a pass…no wonder people angry in this country
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Not really about rich white kids get a pass. But more importantly in Bungholeland he had no defense and crappy playmakers. And don’t tell me he had Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens. What have they done lately? The truth is his team sucked in Bungholeland and he was right to boycott his way out of there. Hell, John Elway and Eli Manning boycotted their way out and it was the right thing for both of them.
As for being a loser, go back and look at the Detroit game from last year. 30/40 for 400 yards and 2TD’s a pick in a must win game? Did he win? No. Is it his fault? I guess. He should have gone 42/42 for 558 yards and 5 scores. And you would still want him gone.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
You see a pattern here?
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Yes I do. He went to USC so you don’t like him…Period.
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Yes he is a USC qb…from Pat Haden to Rodney Peete to Rob Johnson to Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart to Matt Cassell to John Dummy Booty to Mark Sanchez to Matt Barkley……whats their to like?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
1519.Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
star+jenkins=very successful draft
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Interesting….Jenkins was better than Werner and got hurt last year…I still dont like FSU players but taking him in 3rd might not be bad if that foot is healthy
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Agreed. I kinda like Carradine in the 3rd also, but his stock is going up. I also like Margus Hunt, Devin Taylor and Joe Kruger and Cornelius Washington as possible Roudn 3 picks.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
No not all losses but he did take blame in a few for sure. He is capable is pick sixes unlike any qb we have had since Gannon
He not staying out 13 mil tag and I doubt he restructures to a 4-5 mil for this season
I want him gone. Sick of him. I hate USC QBs. We not making a run next yeasr more than liekly so why pay to go 5-11 or 6-10? Let someone new take the reins. Makes more sense at end of the day
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So what benefit would the extra cap dollars do if you think we are going to suck anyway?
The extra money going to put us over the TOP!
Seriously… you sound like you are about 12 years old.. always have.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
I do like McK to target more players who have a history of overcoming adversity and not players that are or have been raised privelaged or been cottled at big time college programs.
Even Bama players. How will they react when they have to deal with losing in the NFL instead of being treated like rock stars in college and used to winning?
Look what happened to RoMac when adversity hit here in Oakland?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
What about this NT from Missouri?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
As for being a loser, go back and look at the Detroit game from last year. 30/40 for 400 yards and 2TD’s a pick in a must win game? Did he win? No. Is it his fault? I guess. He should have gone 42/42 for 558 yards and 5 scores. And you would still want him gone.
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Kinda proves the anti Palmer point, Imo. 30-40 400yds and still lose. Dude does not win.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Follow the B@uceman Says:
You see a pattern here?
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Yes I do. He went to USC so you don’t like him…Period.
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Yes he is a USC qb…from Pat Haden to Rodney Peete to Rob Johnson to Carson Palmer to Matt Leinart to Matt Cassell to John Dummy Booty to Mark Sanchez to Matt Barkley……whats their to like?
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When you’re 12 years old… I guess this makes sense.
What difference does it make what college a player goes to?
Jeesh. Stop making Raider fans look so juvenile and petty!
February 20th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
As for being a loser, go back and look at the Detroit game from last year. 30/40 for 400 yards and 2TD’s a pick in a must win game? Did he win? No. Is it his fault? I guess. He should have gone 42/42 for 558 yards and 5 scores. And you would still want him gone.
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Kinda proves the anti Palmer point, Imo. 30-40 400yds and still lose. Dude does not win.
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More juvenile idiocy… and I looked at 6 posts here.
Ok..I am out…
February 20th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Glenny…you cant be serious!
His football career is marred with losing and even more losing
Cincy immediately made playoffs back to back years when franchise never has done it before as soon as this mfker left
Now he gets a pass for 30-40 turnovers in a year and a half with only 8 wins vs 16 losses? Amazing
Rich kids always get a pass…no wonder people angry in this country
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Not really about rich white kids get a pass. But more importantly in Bungholeland he had no defense and crappy playmakers. And don’t tell me he had Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens. What have they done lately? The truth is his team sucked in Bungholeland and he was right to boycott his way out of there. Hell, John Elway and Eli Manning boycotted their way out and it was the right thing for both of them.
As for being a loser, go back and look at the Detroit game from last year. 30/40 for 400 yards and 2TD’s a pick in a must win game? Did he win? No. Is it his fault? I guess. He should have gone 42/42 for 558 yards and 5 scores. And you would still want him gone.
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First off I never went into his skin tone you did so spare me your BS…you not gonna sneak that in on me. Barry Bonds is a rich boy too and I dont like that mfka so quit it mayne. My cousin who had to be dismissed from Missouri was dogged his sophomore and junior years for a rich kid who was black so GTFOH with that skin tone crap
Cincy had no defense in 2009? They fell off somewhat in 2010…..wait crappy playmakers? Say what? In his overall career in cincy Palmer had playmakers for sure there dont give me that schit! Chad in 09 was a pro bowler so shut it!
Eli and Elway boycotted going there…they never accepted a contract and built relationships with their teammates in SD or Baltimore….so your point in that is null in void…go back to drawing board this is no good!
Nice to mention the detroit game where in the beginning of game he missed Denarious for a TD and then he missed Schilens at the end of game….great examples lol. We had two long FGs that half and only TD was because of a Stafford fumble….Palmer had meaningless stats…thanks for playing
February 20th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
When you’re 12 years old… I guess this makes sense.
What difference does it make what college a player goes to?
Jeesh. Stop making Raider fans look so juvenile and petty!
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listen i think he’s a decent qb and pryor should learn under him till he’s ready (DA made a huge gaffe not evaluating pryor further to see if he could be our starter this year) but i wouldn’t be mad if we traded palmer to get out of his contract. and speaking of juvenile, you’re calling a grown man a 12 year old is pretty juvenile
February 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Say what you will about Palmer, but who do we replace him with?
He’s not Brady, but he gets 1 more year.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Gdog Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
As for being a loser, go back and look at the Detroit game from last year. 30/40 for 400 yards and 2TD’s a pick in a must win game? Did he win? No. Is it his fault? I guess. He should have gone 42/42 for 558 yards and 5 scores. And you would still want him gone.
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Kinda proves the anti Palmer point, Imo. 30-40 400yds and still lose. Dude does not win.
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More juvenile idiocy… and I looked at 6 posts here.
Ok..I am out…
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Shedog…good job…thank you and never come back. You bring nada to this blog except an effeminate prop 8 spirit
February 20th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
Gdog Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
No not all losses but he did take blame in a few for sure. He is capable is pick sixes unlike any qb we have had since Gannon
He not staying out 13 mil tag and I doubt he restructures to a 4-5 mil for this season
I want him gone. Sick of him. I hate USC QBs. We not making a run next yeasr more than liekly so why pay to go 5-11 or 6-10? Let someone new take the reins. Makes more sense at end of the day
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So what benefit would the extra cap dollars do if you think we are going to suck anyway?
The extra money going to put us over the TOP!
Seriously… you sound like you are about 12 years old.. always have.
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Easy…..we move on from a quitter ass QB the team wont rally behind
February 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Why do we need palmer or an equal replacement? Its denvers time.. we will finsh 3 or 4th in the west.. plan for 14
February 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
When you’re 12 years old… I guess this makes sense.
What difference does it make what college a player goes to?
Jeesh. Stop making Raider fans look so juvenile and petty!
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listen i think he’s a decent qb and pryor should learn under him till he’s ready (DA made a huge gaffe not evaluating pryor further to see if he could be our starter this year) but i wouldn’t be mad if we traded palmer to get out of his contract. and speaking of juvenile, you’re calling a grown man a 12 year old is pretty juvenile
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He wouldnt say it in person so I’m not trippin lol
February 20th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Say what you will about Palmer, but who do we replace him with?
He’s not Brady, but he gets 1 more year.
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Do you not read the posts…scroll up mayne
Pryor,mid level vet qb and drafted qb compete for starter….plain and simple…a leader emerges for 2013 team
He doesnt deserve schit but a amtrak ticket out of town
February 20th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
What about this NT from Missouri?
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You mean DT? He is not a NT
February 20th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
Why do we need palmer or an equal replacement? Its denvers time.. we will finsh 3 or 4th in the west.. plan for 14
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We need Palmer so we can see 4000 yard passing seasons
February 20th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Wow…..cant hate on Jerry Buss….34 years 10 titles and numerous HOF players? Impressive
Damn it got Magic crying on TV
February 20th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Sports Mt Everest for non players:
Al Davis, George Steinbrenner, Jerry Buss, Branch Rickey
hate all you want….these men were winners and changed sports. All have passed now….so I will not schit on their names because I am an avid sports guy and I respect what they did
February 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Pryor,mid level vet qb and drafted qb compete for starter….plain and simple…a leader emerges for 2013 team
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Mid level vet QB???
Draft a QB in rd 3 or 4????
Nah. I’d rather roll with Palmer, let Pryor try and beat him out, and draft a QB in rd 1 next year if Pryor ain’t it.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
You mean DT? He is not a NT
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That’s exactly what I was asking.
Don’ t need him or the kid from Florida. Unless we cut TK and stick with the 4-3, that is.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Palmer can ride DMac’s coattails to the playoffs, no doubt.
IF Dmac balls out, we go to the playoffs.
It’s that simple, imo.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
He doesnt deserve schit but a amtrak ticket out of town
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I’ll happily pay for it, and an additional one for comfort, so he could put up his Louis over the shoulder bag in seat as well.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
So it was the Oline’s fault that the WRs sucked arsse last year???
Did I really read that earlier?
JFB, thoughts?????
February 20th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Pryor,mid level vet qb and drafted qb compete for starter….plain and simple…a leader emerges for 2013 team
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Mid level vet QB???
Draft a QB in rd 3 or 4????
Nah. I’d rather roll with Palmer, let Pryor try and beat him out, and draft a QB in rd 1 next year if Pryor ain’t it.
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Yep a Matt Moore or Drew Stanton…..fk Palmer and riding it out with his sorry ass. We get nothing from him. What’s so wrong in drafting a QB in mid rounds or even late rounds? It wont affect getting a qb in 2014 will it?
February 20th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
You mean DT? He is not a NT
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That’s exactly what I was asking.
Don’ t need him or the kid from Florida. Unless we cut TK and stick with the 4-3, that is.
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Kelly is gone man dont know what your henny was spiked with
Houston and Bryant need to be our UTs…waste of time with them at DE
February 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Palmer can ride DMac’s coattails to the playoffs, no doubt.
IF Dmac balls out, we go to the playoffs.
It’s that simple, imo.
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no it will come down to week 16 or 17 and Palmer throws a crucial pick six
February 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Maybe if Palmer could extend a play and pick up a critical 3rd down. Control a game.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
He doesnt deserve schit but a amtrak ticket out of town
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I’ll happily pay for it, and an additional one for comfort, so he could put up his Louis over the shoulder bag in seat as well.
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Exactly….we gain piece of mind
February 20th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Maybe if Palmer could extend a play and pick up a critical 3rd down. Control a game.
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HAHA extend a play….funny stuff Kell
February 20th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
the year magic came back after testing for HIV jerry bus made him highest paid player $14 mill for the year, quit during training camp because of all the players worried about playing against him. Buss insisted he still pay him for the whole year. After he was done with bball taught magic everything about business. kept paying worthy big when he was old and injury ridden=hell of an owner. one of the things i loved about Al the way he took care of his players, too bad he still wanted so much control in his later years. Buss the best owner, Al my fave
February 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
B, who specifically do you want to get in here to play QB, as in “mid level vet qb” and how we going to pay that schlub AND Palmer’s cap hit?
And is this “mid level vet qb” is going to be better than Carson Palmer?!?
That seems unlikely…even barely decent QBs don’t grow on trees.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Whoa!
That boy Kyrie Irving with the handle is nice!
February 20th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
I’ll ride it out with Palmer ONLY if he accepts a big paycut. Otherwise, he can move on to the sofa again and then we can officially call it what it is: A complete rebuild.
Or see what they can get for him. A pick or two from AZ?? They need a QB that performs well 40-50% of the time. They currently have QBs that perform well about 5% of the time so it could work for them.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Houston and Bryant need to be our UTs…
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Houston is not a DT.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
if only da had started pryor every game once we were out of contention we’d either know A. Pryor aint the guy or B. Pryors good enough to man the ship so trade/cut Palmer
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
B, who specifically do you want to get in here to play QB, as in “mid level vet qb” and how we going to pay that schlub AND Palmer’s cap hit?
And is this “mid level vet qb” is going to be better than Carson Palmer?!?
That seems unlikely…even barely decent QBs don’t grow on trees.
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Get a “mid level vet QB” that doesn’t cost 13 million and we’re making progress regardless.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
Best case scenario for you B is Pryor beats out Palmer and they can part ways with him during that June roster timeframe the NFL has…
I’d just like to see what Palmer can do with an offense that does NOT Suck as bad as Knappys…
February 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
if only da had started pryor every game once we were out of contention we’d either know A. Pryor aint the guy or B. Pryors good enough to man the ship so trade/cut Palmer
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My thoughts exactly, about three months ago.
February 20th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
B, who specifically do you want to get in here to play QB, as in “mid level vet qb” and how we going to pay that schlub AND Palmer’s cap hit?
And is this “mid level vet qb” is going to be better than Carson Palmer?!?
That seems unlikely…even barely decent QBs don’t grow on trees.
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Matt Moore and Drew Stanton can get you 4-12 on the cheap at worse plus they’d compete with Pryor and a 6th rd draft choice….comp will bring out the best
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Houston and Bryant need to be our UTs…
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Houston is not a DT.
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he played quite a bit inside and looked good. plays the run well and would get to the qb well for a dt, just has to add a lil weight back on
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Houston and Bryant need to be our UTs…
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Houston is not a DT.
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Bullschit he isnt a DE…I can shoot holes in your argument but you cant on mines….try me and I’ll smoke you as usual
February 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
No ESETERIK, but you have to consider both the cap hit of dumping Palmer AND the salary of the replacement player, and maybe one might consider the quality of the replacement as well….
February 20th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Houston and Bryant need to be our UTs…
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Houston is not a DT.
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he played quite a bit inside and looked good. plays the run well and would get to the qb well for a dt, just has to add a lil weight back on
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Very good vs run and very strong…that relentless all out motor would do wonder going up vs the RG
February 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
B, I’ve seen Matt Moore play and you’re right he’s a maybe a mid-level guy. Not as familiar with Stanton.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Matt Moore and Drew Stanton can get you 4-12 on the cheap at worse plus they’d compete with Pryor and a 6th rd draft choice….comp will bring out the best
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Ridiculous.
4-12???
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Palmer isnt quality
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
.try me and I’ll smoke you as usual
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Yawwwwwnnnnnn
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Oh yeah I forgot to mention not much interested in 4-12 no mo….
Too bad Al got snookered on the Kappy draft.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
Matt Moore and Drew Stanton can get you 4-12 on the cheap at worse plus they’d compete with Pryor and a 6th rd draft choice….comp will bring out the best
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Ridiculous.
4-12???
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Ok go ahead and fail explaining
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Best case scenario for you B is Pryor beats out Palmer and they can part ways with him during that June roster timeframe the NFL has…
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Yup
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
.try me and I’ll smoke you as usual
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Yawwwwwnnnnnn
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Exactly….stand down baldy
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Palmer is better than Matt Moore tho…
February 20th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Best case scenario for you B is Pryor beats out Palmer and they can part ways with him during that June roster timeframe the NFL has…
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As long as week 1 palmer is done
February 20th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Not interested in seeing a 4-12 prospect at QB.
Fix the Oline so the QB isn’t on his back. Fix the Oline so the WRs will have time to run routes.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Palmer is better than Matt Moore tho…
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HAHA at 13 mil no he is not
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
nite boys, B, I hope your luck changes and Palmer doesn’t rework his contract or he’ll be here making you bent for YEARS.
Go Dubs!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Exactly….stand down baldy
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Yawwwwwnnnnn X 2
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
if only da had started pryor every game once we were out of contention we’d either know A. Pryor aint the guy or B. Pryors good enough to man the ship so trade/cut Palmer
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Why didnt they? At least the last 2 games!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Great article by Monte Poole. I understand some of you out in the area don’t like him, but almost everything i’ve read from him is really good.
He demands tons more than alot of people on this forum.
A large percentage of guys here wanna give Reggie a lifetime pass becuz of the “horrendous, never before seen in the history of organized sports” situation the evil Al Davis left him which will take even the most brilliant and talented of GM’s centuries to fix.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
As long as week 1 palmer is done
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That’s up to Pryor.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Pass on Stanton, dude is a major puzzy.
Matt Moore would be all right, I don’t think he is much worse at this stage than Carson.
Carson does one thing well, run the two minute offense. He is fantastic at it, one of the best in the biz.
Only problem is, he is average to garbage in every other category.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Not interested in seeing a 4-12 prospect at QB.
Fix the Oline so the QB isn’t on his back. Fix the Oline so the WRs will have time to run routes.
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Oline did fine as far as keeping him upright so stop
Not interested in seeing a 4-12 season with a washed up quitter…but you being from where you are can empathize with that
February 20th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
nite boys, B, I hope your luck changes and Palmer doesn’t rework his contract or he’ll be here making you bent for YEARS.
Go Dubs!
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LOL alright Loft
Yes to the Dubs
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
if only da had started pryor every game once we were out of contention we’d either know A. Pryor aint the guy or B. Pryors good enough to man the ship so trade/cut Palmer
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Why didnt they? At least the last 2 games!
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I’ll take it a step further…should’ve done it the last 4 games.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Very good vs run and very strong…that relentless all out motor would do wonder going up vs the RG
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Bryant and Houston were right in the middle of that Tampa Bay debacle.
Houston’s best position has CLEARLY been on the outside.
Star, Bryant, and Bilikudi on the inside, thank you very much.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
DA didn’t play TP more, because he was fighting for his job.
If the organization wanted to see TP more, they could have either told him he was safe for next year so go play TP or fired him and put in someone who would play TP.
By straddling the fence and going to the media with their post-game flight conversations, it put DA in a situation of win or lose your million dollar job.
What would you do?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Exactly….stand down baldy
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Yawwwwwnnnnn X 2
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I guess you are watching Dwight Howard’s post moves
February 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Very good vs run and very strong…that relentless all out motor would do wonder going up vs the RG
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Bryant and Houston were right in the middle of that Tampa Bay debacle.
Houston’s best position has CLEARLY been on the outside.
Star, Bryant, and Bilikudi on the inside, thank you very much.
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a UT needs a NT….and you cant dismiss the fact as far as run plays Lamarr is one of the best in the league
You saying a DE who generates hardly any pressure is best suited on outside at 305 lbs?
Jhill……smh….you making zero sense
February 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Fix the Oline so the QB isn’t on his back. Fix the Oline so the WRs will have time to run routes.
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Oline did fine as far as keeping him upright so stop
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I thought you wrote earlier that the Oline was trash?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
I guess you are watching Dwight Howard
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Who???????
February 20th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Great article by Monte Poole. I understand some of you out in the area don’t like him, but almost everything i’ve read from him is really good.
He demands tons more than alot of people on this forum.
A large percentage of guys here wanna give Reggie a lifetime pass becuz of the “horrendous, never before seen in the history of organized sports” situation the evil Al Davis left him which will take even the most brilliant and talented of GM’s centuries to fix.
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Take out the evil part, because I certainly don’t think he’s evil. But he really ran the franchise into the ground. Noone can argue that.
And I do think McK and Allen deserve to have TWO more years, if need be, to build this team right.
I like Poole, but I think he’s getting ahead of himself on this one. A lot of the posters here act like McK should’ve performed a miracle in one year and want him fired already. That’s the crap I can’t understand.
But a decade of humiliating losses will bring the desperation out of most people I guess.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Everyone….Jhill enjoys the fact we cant get pressure on the edges in today’s NFL
Jhill is same guy who thought Seymour and Kelly were a good DT combo and they werent at fault for the run woes lmao
February 20th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Fix the Oline so the QB isn’t on his back. Fix the Oline so the WRs will have time to run routes.
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Oline did fine as far as keeping him upright so stop
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I thought you wrote earlier that the Oline was trash?
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Not trash…just not stellar….still Palmer had ample time to throw this season
February 20th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
If Carson comes back, can we hire Soup as a consultant of “play-fake co-ordinator”?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
DA didn’t play TP more, because he was fighting for his job.
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If he was “fighting for his job” in his mind, he loses points in my book.
How could YOU possibly think YOU are on the hot seat in 1 year?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Pass on Stanton, dude is a major puzzy.
Matt Moore would be all right, I don’t think he is much worse at this stage than Carson.
Carson does one thing well, run the two minute offense. He is fantastic at it, one of the best in the biz.
Only problem is, he is average to garbage in every other category.
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Major puzzy? please go and detail why he is
I’d take a major puzzy over a quitter
February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
nd you cant dismiss the fact as far as run plays Lamarr is one of the best in the league
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At LDE, yes.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Didn’t Matt Moore beat us last year?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
a UT needs a NT
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Star will do just fine.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
DA didn’t play TP more, because he was fighting for his job.
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If he was “fighting for his job” in his mind, he loses points in my book.
How could YOU possibly think YOU are on the hot seat in 1 year?
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Cam Cameron, Hue Jackson and Joe Bugel would like to have a word with you
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Palmer is a “washed up quitter”?
Didn’t realize we had so many Benglas fans on here.
Sorry he quit on you guys in Cincy.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
If Carson comes back, can we hire Soup as a consultant of “play-fake co-ordinator”?
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I wouldn’t have a problem with Glo coming back to compete with Pryor.
Neither one of them work, draft a QB next year.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
nd you cant dismiss the fact as far as run plays Lamarr is one of the best in the league
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At LDE, yes.
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No he has made plays inside as well vs run…..you were too busy at the Hair Restoration clinic to see it
February 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
a UT needs a NT
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Star will do just fine.
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Dont run away from point about Bryant and houston and the Bucs game…stay on topic…it only makes you look like a coward when you run away mayne
Tampa game had nada to do with Star….our NT was a joke
February 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Major puzzy? please go and detail why he is
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Didn’t he refuse to play in Detroit when the med staff cleared him?
That’s what I remember.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Palmer is a “washed up quitter”?
Didn’t realize we had so many Benglas fans on here.
Sorry he quit on you guys in Cincy.
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…..you palmer lovers only love him for what he did in cincy in 2005-2006…so are you the Bengals fan?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Jhill is same guy who thought Seymour and Kelly were a good DT combo and they werent at fault for the run woes lmao
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Propoganda.
I’ve always said that our DEs and LBs war MORE of an issue than our DTs.
B J Raji was not better than Seymour. We should have drafted Pierre Paul like I told you, and our Dline would have been fine.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
DA didn’t play TP more, because he was fighting for his job.
If the organization wanted to see TP more, they could have either told him he was safe for next year so go play TP or fired him and put in someone who would play TP.
By straddling the fence and going to the media with their post-game flight conversations, it put DA in a situation of win or lose your million dollar job.
What would you do?
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Maybe trying to save Knapp’s job?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Major puzzy? please go and detail why he is
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Didn’t he refuse to play in Detroit when the med staff cleared him?
That’s what I remember.
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He played hurt when he shouldnt have I remember….i dunno that was 2010 I think….gotta go check it out again
February 20th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
Idiot Bay area writers who quote this a…zhole
February 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
1617.J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Jhill is same guy who thought Seymour and Kelly were a good DT combo and they werent at fault for the run woes lmao
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Propoganda.
I’ve always said that our DEs and LBs war MORE of an issue than our DTs.
B J Raji was not better than Seymour. We should have drafted Pierre Paul like I told you, and our Dline would have been fine.
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You think Pierre Paul would have had the same development on the Raiders as he did on the Giants.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Dont run away from point about Bryant and houston and the Bucs game…stay on topic…it only makes you look like a coward when you run away mayne
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WTF are you talking about???
You know I could give a flying phucc about what I “look like” on a damn blog.
Tampa game, our NT went down, Bryant filled in, and we stunk. Which goes back to my original statement of Bryant and Houston inside would be a disaster. They are both starters. Add Star to those 2 and that’s a nice LDE, NT, 3Tech. Still need a RDE.
I even like that 3 some in a 3-4 front.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
B@uce I know you’re Raider to the core and so am I…much to my misery over the years. I couldn’t be hypnotized to root for anyone else, but to me Palmer wanted out of there and refused to play anymore for THEM…but when it came to the Raiders…he wanted to play with US. That’s how I see it.
It’s fair to criticize his play, but to me he’s one of the few guys who has busted his butt to try and win here and has had absolutely NO HELP.
Somebody posted a stat that he had 13 potential td’s DROPPED last yr. Running game was weak at best and none of our receivers even ranked in the top 50 stat wise.
I think it’s unfair to call him a “quitter” for bailing on that crap organization in Cincy.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
.you were too busy at the Hair Restoration clinic to see it
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Young Jedi can’t rattle Yoda.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
You think Pierre Paul would have had the same development on the Raiders as he did on the Giants.
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Absolutely.
Line up and siccc em!!!!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Morons on this blog, must be really Niner fans here
February 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Jhill is same guy who thought Seymour and Kelly were a good DT combo and they werent at fault for the run woes lmao
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Propoganda.
I’ve always said that our DEs and LBs war MORE of an issue than our DTs.
B J Raji was not better than Seymour. We should have drafted Pierre Paul like I told you, and our Dline would have been fine.
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How is the truth called propoganda?
a DT’s first job function is to STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….do you get it?
Raji is a NT Seymour is not so therefore this lie that Seymour is better needs to quit now
Draft JPP? For what? He had one dope season outta three so far. Sure helps when you have that sort of dline doesnt it?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Seems the excuse, of sorts, for Palmer has been a little string of bad luck. Unlucky injuries, bad staff, Bengals improve the team once he leaves, and on and on and on.
Well……..some dudes are unlucky. We all have that friend that is a good dude, but for whatever reason, drunk people want to fight him, even if he doesn’t do anything.
Leave that dude at home on Sat night, and let Carson be unlucky elsewhere.
February 20th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
Dont run away from point about Bryant and houston and the Bucs game…stay on topic…it only makes you look like a coward when you run away mayne
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WTF are you talking about???
You know I could give a flying phucc about what I “look like” on a damn blog.
Tampa game, our NT went down, Bryant filled in, and we stunk. Which goes back to my original statement of Bryant and Houston inside would be a disaster. They are both starters. Add Star to those 2 and that’s a nice LDE, NT, 3Tech. Still need a RDE.
I even like that 3 some in a 3-4 front.
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We never had a NT last season….so I dont know what is it that you speak of
I agree Bryant and Houston inside is a disaster because neither our a NT…both are UTs….duh! Neither are DEs…duh!
3-4? No…you need dope ass LBs for a 3-4 to really cause havoc
February 20th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
B@uce I know you’re Raider to the core and so am I…much to my misery over the years. I couldn’t be hypnotized to root for anyone else, but to me Palmer wanted out of there and refused to play anymore for THEM…but when it came to the Raiders…he wanted to play with US. That’s how I see it.
It’s fair to criticize his play, but to me he’s one of the few guys who has busted his butt to try and win here and has had absolutely NO HELP.
Somebody posted a stat that he had 13 potential td’s DROPPED last yr. Running game was weak at best and none of our receivers even ranked in the top 50 stat wise.
I think it’s unfair to call him a “quitter” for bailing on that crap organization in Cincy.
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What if someone did a potential INT stat as well?
We all potentially could have done things in our lives but did we?
Cincy immediately makes franchise history without Palmer
February 20th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
.you were too busy at the Hair Restoration clinic to see it
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Young Jedi can’t rattle Yoda.
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Yoda had more hair
May the propecia be with you
I’m no Jedi…I’m B@uce Solo…lambin the Princess raw!
February 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
RaiderRR Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
Morons on this blog, must be really Niner fans here
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Naw…we are heteros around here except MR who is an admitted niner fan
February 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
a DT’s first job function is to STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….do you get it?
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It’s kinda pointless to do this dance AGAIN.
We BOTH wanted Seymour at LDE and Henderson starting.
The edges were the problem IMO and A LOT of others including Priest. We showed countless “film” on how the “big runs” were going to the edge. Quentin Groves and other scrubs on the outside were PUHHHTHETIC.
So we AGAIN agree that we should draft Star to play NT.
So what’s next?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
13 dropped TD’s seems a bit extreme.
I remember the Myers drop against NO and the McNinny drop against Miami.
Where were the other 11?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Seems the excuse, of sorts, for Palmer has been a little string of bad luck. Unlucky injuries, bad staff, Bengals improve the team once he leaves, and on and on and on.
Well……..some dudes are unlucky. We all have that friend that is a good dude, but for whatever reason, drunk people want to fight him, even if he doesn’t do anything.
Leave that dude at home on Sat night, and let Carson be unlucky elsewhere.
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Man I feel ya….got a patna just like that…..bad luck and we cant have him out anymore….too many crazy things happen where your life is in danger and I plan to get old…but not bald(Jhill)
February 20th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
John Henderson made no impact on our run defense.
The issue seems to be the big plays, and I don’t see NT’s making plays 8 yards down the field.
Our horrendous safety and LB play turns 8 yard runs into 40+ yard runs on the regular.
Didn’t BJGE have his career high run this year against us? WTF were the DB’s and LB’s doing when he was busting out his 4.9 forty speed?
February 20th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2013 at 5:42 pm
a DT’s first job function is to STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO STOP THE FKIN RUN….TO S