Raiders live chat Wednesday at noon on Mike Holmgren rumors, off-season moves
By Jon Becker
Wednesday, February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 am in 2013 Offseason, Oakland Raiders.
Join Steve Corkran for a Raiders live chat on Wednesday at noon PST as he discusses the Mike Holmgren rumors and possible Raiders off-season moves, including free-agent news.
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February 27th, 2013 at 12:45 am
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February 27th, 2013 at 12:47 am
silver and black through an through……
SPURS BABY!!!!
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 1:16 am
F@ck Yea we’re back!!!!
OKC THUNDER!!!
RAIDER NATION!!!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 1:18 am
Its exciting to see so many new posts!!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 1:20 am
Who do we sign in Free Agency? Its right around the corner!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 1:50 am
We gotta draft Floyd or Miller………Not sold on Geno Smith. Xavier Rhodes looks like a prototype Db!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 am
I really want Fisher if we can trade down and pick up a 2nd!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:13 am
Any chance we take a flier on Mike Patterson?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:55 am
Holmgren is a good head coach.
He was both general manager and head coach in Seattle and didn’t do as well as he did as just a head coach in Green Bay but it could be he just had too many jobs in Seattle-yes, I know he had Bret Favre in GB.
I have no clue what a team president does but there is NO point in hiring Holmgren just to tell McKenzie what to do.
You might as well hire Holgren to do McKenzie’s job.
If you’re going to hire Holgren, then you either hire him as general manager or as head coach.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:45 am
Let Reggie do the job he was brought in to do. The team is still hampered by the late great AL Davis. I dont understand the quick fix everyone on here expects. AL Davis’s salary cap issues are still here. There s still a missing draft pick not there and that wasnt on reggie s watch. Let the guy have a clean bill and judge him on that. Not the horrible mess he inherited. Were a quick fix nation and honestly non of the teams in the playoff gm’s started were we have been.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:41 am
The only real way we can blow this draft is drafting an O-lineman in the first round.
They can go ask recently fired and currently unemployed Holmgren, how that worked out for his Browns.
Ravens won the Super Bowl, and are getting rid of their LT they had to put in for the playoff stretch due to the previous LT being awful.
Pats drafted Vollmer, now that he is set for a pay-raise at RT, they are said to not be interested in paying him. Will go with unproven Marcus Cannon if so.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:51 am
JFB..
i disagree, drafting a QB is the worst thing we could do
February 27th, 2013 at 4:54 am
LMN,
Disagree, drafting a QB is the best thing we can do, IMO
No bigger need for franchise that doesn’t have a long-term answer at QB, then getting one
February 27th, 2013 at 4:57 am
All the rookie QB’s that started in last years draft, improved their teams win totals in 2011.
Luck, IR’GIII, Wilson, Tannehill, Weeden
All of them got more wins.
Cam has brought more wins, Dalton has taken his franchise to never before seen levels, Kap took his team to the next level.
We need to get on board with this.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 am
The al davis excuse. No way. Our defense was horrible already, we were awful because knapp, also the chice to move to zbs, we were out of it at week 8, we still dont know what.pryor is. theyve admitted to all this by firing knapp, changing back to pbs, and saying pryor now gets a look. To me the question is, what did they actually do right. I hope they can fix it but to blame it on al is dumb, a real man admits hes wrong, a spoiled kidfinds someone to blame it on.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:08 am
Ih yeah. To the nation, how bout them pacers, the warriors were lucky that fight wasnt on the street. Just realized thats a squad full of sissies. no tuffness on that team. Suprising with mark jackson. A tough sob. How many players have a career like his with a 6 inch verrtical.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:09 am
Morning jfb. How bout kendall williams pulling his head out of his ass. First time we looked like a ramked team.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:10 am
Myopinion Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:59 am
The al davis excuse. No way. Our defense was horrible already, we were awful because knapp, also the chice to move to zbs, we were out of it at week 8, we still dont know what.pryor is. theyve admitted to all this by firing knapp, changing back to pbs, and saying pryor now gets a look. To me the question is, what did they actually do right. I hope they can fix it but to blame it on al is dumb, a real man admits hes wrong, a spoiled kidfinds someone to blame it on.
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Yeah pretty much
February 27th, 2013 at 5:11 am
Kendall went banana’s out there.
Next years team will be when it all comes together, and we get Alford’s kid on the team.
He is averaging like 38 and 8 for La Cueva.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:19 am
if kendall stays agressive, kirk keeps improving, and someone finds a way to get snell going. Maybe the henderson slap pregame. Can do some things, especially if in the tourney alford unleashes the secret weapon. His red headed step child. Never know
February 27th, 2013 at 5:19 am
Time for work. Good day raider nation. I said good day.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:24 am
The key is our bench, IMO.
When Felton is distributing and hitting some open 3’s, and the TO look-alike is playing great D, the bench comes in and makes an impact.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:28 am
Mike Holmgren is an offensive guy.
He’s a west coast guy, too.
I think he’d love to work for the Raiders and the Raiders would love to have him.
When the only two “bright offensive minds” you have on staff are Olson & Sparano … I’d say Holmgren wouldn’t hurt (Saunders is lame)
We already have McKenzie, Allen & Tarver who know defense. new LB coach Bob Sanders too
get Holmgren and complete the fearsome foursome on each side of the ball please!!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:30 am
Vick got 7.5 million, the other 2.5 million was in ridiculous incentives like if he wins the Super Bowl, and Super Bowl MVP.
7.5 is about right for Carson, a 50% paycut.
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co-signed, JFB!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:32 am
I think Mark Davis thought HIS job was going to be easier.
After last season, he realized he would rather use daddy’s money to hire someone to do his job, and he can around LA more and do what spoiled rich-kids do. As opposed to grinding out the day-to-day operations of an NFL front office.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:54 am
LMN,
Disagree, drafting a QB is the best thing we can do, IMO
No bigger need for franchise that doesn’t have a long-term answer at QB, then getting one
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there aren’t any QBs worth drafting.. the QBs in this years draft would have been drafted in 2nd round in the 2011-2012 drafts..
Need is not a good draft-strategy, that said we need players at all positions, I’d draft a DE, DT, CB or OL in no particular order..
the most important thing is; the one we draft will be a starter for 5 years at least and a top 15 at his position for those 5 years..
NO MORE WASTED 1ST ROUND PICKS! thats the new era!!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:37 am
10.Que Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:45 am
Let Reggie do the job he was brought in to do. The team is still hampered by the late great AL Davis. I dont understand the quick fix everyone on here expects. AL Davis’s salary cap issues are still here. There s still a missing draft pick not there and that wasnt on reggie s watch. Let the guy have a clean bill and judge him on that. Not the horrible mess he inherited. Were a quick fix nation and honestly non of the teams in the playoff gm’s started were we have been.
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/26/lakers-gm-says-front-office-was-impatient-because-buss-was-ill/related/
Sound familiar?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:39 am
yo
February 27th, 2013 at 5:39 am
He’s a west coast guy, too.
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Holmgren’s been a cancer everywhere he’s been since he left the Packers. Seahags and Browns had took years to get back to a respectable corps. And west coast offense? Did we forget already about Knapp time? lol
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RRS says:
I think he’d love to work for the Raiders and the Raiders would love to have him.
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sure he’d love to be employed again. beats the unemployment line. You don’t see the other 31 NFL teams blowing up Holmgren’s phone do you?
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RRS Says:
When the only two “bright offensive minds” you have on staff are Olson & Sparano … I’d say Holmgren wouldn’t hurt (Saunders is lame)
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So one big grab bag of offensive coaches from different backgrounds and primary schemes. What could possibly go wrong? By the way, calling Saunders lame is lame. and just wrong.
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RRS Says:
We already have McKenzie, Allen & Tarver who know defense.
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What’s wrong with this comment? class? anyone?
Historically awful defense even worse than the year prior with Bresnahan. I repeat ‘historically bad’. Not my quote, but fact. And these clowns “know defense”.
SMH LULZ
February 27th, 2013 at 5:40 am
Mike Holmgren drafted QB’s:
Ty Detmer
Mark Brunell
Jay Barker
Kyle Wachholtz
Matt Hasselbeck
Brock Huard
Josh Booty
Jeff Kelly
Seneca Wallace
David Greene
Colt McCoy
Brandon Weeden
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Who’s next ??
February 27th, 2013 at 5:44 am
If Holmgren takes over Raleigh’s job, that would be ok with me.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:40 am
Mike Holmgren drafted QB’s:
Ty Detmer
Mark Brunell
Jay Barker
Kyle Wachholtz
Matt Hasselbeck
Brock Huard
Josh Booty
Jeff Kelly
Seneca Wallace
David Greene
Colt McCoy
Brandon Weeden
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Who’s next ??
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honestly the ratio sounds about right for being in the league as long as he has.
Brunell success
Hasslebeck success
Weeden/Mccoy we will see
Senaca decent back up
February 27th, 2013 at 5:47 am
Who’s next ??
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Tyler Bray??
February 27th, 2013 at 5:47 am
whats up G123?
I see you’re still bitter about the comments you made last offseason that I brought back to you for review last week. I would be embarrassed too
I still love you bro. you’re good people
by the way, you wanted to know who the Palmer cult members are? stick around for 2 seconds .. they post comments here pretty often (Gdog, SeyGlenn & Purv) to name a few
February 27th, 2013 at 5:49 am
Seriously, there’s no way to positively spin that motley crew of garbage QB’s. At best some of them were journeymen. I don’t see any ’success’ ful QB’s there.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:50 am
What is Raleigh’s job?
Isn’t he like a director of scouting or something like that?
Is he an IHOP guy as well?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:51 am
Ron Wolf gets all the credit for the trade that brought Brett Favre from ATL to GB … does Holmgren get credit for mentoring him ??
they were together from 1992-1998
February 27th, 2013 at 5:51 am
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:49 am
Seriously, there’s no way to positively spin that motley crew of garbage QB’s. At best some of them were journeymen. I don’t see any ’success’ ful QB’s there.
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Hasslebeck went to the superbowl and had several playoff apperances.
Brunell went to champoinship game and took team to playoffs other years.
It’s not Brady/Manning but it still constitutes success.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:51 am
RRS,
I’m not bitter about anything. I still am not buying Brandon Myers, think he’s a replaceable stiff. Wouldn’t bother me if we let me walk.
I did not and will not back off of Ryan Grant either, who was the perfect fit for the long gone ZBS system.
We could use a good free agent TE to replace Myers, but we need a good free agent WR more.
No hard feelings bro. But I find myself diametrically opposed to a lot of your takes. Not mad at you though. peace.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:54 am
time 4 work. later gents!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:54 am
Holmgren sure does like the noodle-armed guys, doesn’t he?
I liked the previous two guys that were interviewed because I think they have the big picture/ business end of things as their calling card. Holmgren? Not so much. A football guy for sure, but he hasn’t exactly set the world on fire as an executive. I don’t see adding him to be a gain for the Raiders. I see it more as one more ego to deal with on the football side, and it’s the business side that needs a LOT of help right now.
People say that McKenzie and DA are in over their heads. I don’t believe that, and I think time will prove that they both know what they’re doing. I would submit that the guy that’s really in the dark is Mark Davis.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 am
by the way, you wanted to know who the Palmer cult members are? stick around for 2 seconds .. they post comments here pretty often (Gdog, SeyGlenn & Purv) to name a few
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whew! I was pretty sure I was part of that Carson cult too. I still am rooting for Carson and I got my CP3 jersey so too much invested now. Still if Carson doesn’t take a paycut and restructure, I won’t be mad at Reggie for cutting him. But if he does, I’m looking forward to Carson being the starter for the next couple of years and the Pryor talk can go on the backburner. Hope that doesn’t make me a cultist.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 am
I think upgrading Myers is essential. You can let him walk and probably get a comp pick out of it for next year based on last years “production”.
Plenty of good young TE’s in the draft, as well as potential FA pickups.
Myers was all, 8 yard catches and 6 inches of YAC all season long.
Need someone with some athleticism, that can also block, so that excludes Ausberry.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:58 am
People say that McKenzie and DA are in over their heads. I don’t believe that, and I think time will prove that they both know what they’re doing. I would submit that the guy that’s really in the dark is Mark Davis.
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the blind leading the blind
February 27th, 2013 at 5:59 am
44. took the words out of my head. can’t add more & I fully endorse that post.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:01 am
45.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:58 am
People say that McKenzie and DA are in over their heads. I don’t believe that, and I think time will prove that they both know what they’re doing. I would submit that the guy that’s really in the dark is Mark Davis.
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the blind leading the blind
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If you say so. I’d rather listen to NFL people than civilians on a blog, but to each his own.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:11 am
Too early give another year let’s see how this draft class works out
Carson Palmer will be our starting quarterback next year
February 27th, 2013 at 6:20 am
HOLMGREN in the West Coast offense got Al Davis hated the West Coast offense
his ghost is still in the building of the
AL probably wondering why is lazy ass son does not want to work
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February 27th, 2013 at 6:21 am
I like this take from a scout at the combine, her words.
“…Who else didn’t impress me? Tyrann Mathieu. The “Honey Badger” is small and weak. Dude is only 5-8, 180 lbs., and benched 225 lbs. four (4) times at the Combine. He’s going to get worked like a TJ hooker in a demostracion del burro by the Andre Johnsons, Calvin Johnsons and Larry Fitzgeralds of the world. Good luck little buddy! “
February 27th, 2013 at 6:23 am
AL probably wondering why is lazy ass son does not want to work
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blame Al for being an absentee dad. work ethic doesn’t just rub off by close exposure. baby huey was off in his room watching cartoons while papa was grinding the gears of his machine.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:24 am
LOL, Guest!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:25 am
Good Morning Hawaiian Raider!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:28 am
another report regarding blog favorite Warmack:
“So far Team Saban has dominated. Chance Warmack and Barrett Jones are sure fire top 15 picks. Warmack wasn’t the fastest, strongest or flashy player but he made everything look easy. Running the 3 cone, 20 yard shuttle or 60 yard shuttle without breaking a sweat is the sign of a well conditioned badass.”
February 27th, 2013 at 6:30 am
On Geno Smith and the sh!tty QB class:
“What I really didn’t get to see is what these guys (WR’s) could do with their speed because the QBs could NOT make the throws. They couldn’t get the inside out over the shoulder throws. They couldn’t hit the out routes or the seams. It was embarrassing.
If Geno Smith is the top QB prospect in the draft then teams are better off hitting the free agent pool than they would be drafting one of these yahoos. Personally I thought Ryan Nassib looked like he has the most promise. I always figure that QBs that come from small programs where they gotta scrap to win will do better in the league. It’s all about overcoming adversity.”
February 27th, 2013 at 6:32 am
Running backs:
“The Running Backs group boiled down to Eddie Lacy and everyone else. Lacy didn’t even need to run and he dominated the field. Personally I would be looking at Marcus Lattimore as a great value pick. I think he’s a lot like Wills McGahee when he came off that sick azz knee injury in the Fiesta Bowl. Lattimore is big, fast and hungry. I’d totally take his repaired knee in the second round.”
February 27th, 2013 at 6:38 am
On Dee Millner:
“Who didn’t impress me? Dee Millner. Millner looked great running the 40. Silky smooth with excellent 4.37 speed but during on the field and ball catching drills he looked terrible. Frying pan hands and tight hips.”
February 27th, 2013 at 6:39 am
when you’re 45 years old and you’re too lazy to work is not your dad’s fault is your fault get up off your mass and go to work
if you’re too lazy to work too nervous to steal then you live off daddy’s money
no excuse for he was around one of the smartest football minds in the NFL
no excuse for being a lazy dumb mass
February 27th, 2013 at 6:41 am
On Manti Te’O:
“Te’o has below average foot speed, even for a middle/inside backer, and takes terrible tackling angles due to lack of flexibility in his hips and ankles. He has above average football instincts but he will be let down by his lack of athleticism when facing premier talent.”
February 27th, 2013 at 6:43 am
no excuse for being a lazy dumb mass
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Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:44 am
58.willy91137 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:39 am
when you’re 45 years old and you’re too lazy to work is not your dad’s fault is your fault get up off your mass and go to work
if you’re too lazy to work too nervous to steal then you live off daddy’s money
no excuse for he was around one of the smartest football minds in the NFL
no excuse for being a lazy dumb mass
Agreed! If Al was my dad, yeah sure, I’ll be living off his success for a bit but I would like to know a thing or two, knowing that he won’t be around for ever!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:45 am
So with all that said, guest (sorry, I didn’t get to see the combine), who would you draft, IF we don’t trade down?
February 27th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Sorry, Guest!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:51 am
From a value standpoint, we need to draft the safest pick if we stay at #3. Joeckel or Warmack are considered top 5 locks. It’s a real puzzle.
Obviously, I’d love to trade down and still get a chance at an impact DE. There a good handful of them in this draft. But barring that, we need to get most value/highest floor.
I’ve been told that this draft has only a handful of players worthy of a top 10 pick, but maybe 35 worthy of a top 20 pick. If we stay at #3, I just hope we choose one of the sure fire top guys available, or if we really like someone and know we can get him later, do everything we can to trade down and get another pick.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:53 am
On CB’s not named Millner:
“The three Pac-12 guys that I thought did well today were Desmond Trufant, Steve Williams and Jordan Poyer. All three ran good 40 times (Williams and Trufant were GREAT!) and showed polish in skill tests (3 cone, 20/60 shuttle and ball catching). Williams has that next level speed, especially on the 10 split, that NFL scouts love. He’s a bit light in the azz and only pushed 12 reps on the 225 lbs. bench. At least it wasn’t 4 like the Honey Bi0tch.”
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ouch!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:56 am
I think Mark Davis thought HIS job was going to be easier.
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LOL
February 27th, 2013 at 6:57 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/cash-over-cap-is-a-short-sighted-way-to-justify-spending-sprees/
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This is for those that insist on saying that the salary cap is a myth.
Unfortunately, Al pushed too much money too far into the future and it came back to bite.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:00 am
My finger’s are crossed Holmgrem doesn’t get hired. Only less Reggie wants this. No-one wants to be hired for a job not mnay where clamoring for and take it because he loves the raiders and only to have another green bay guy over his shoulders. Thats just not right and could force many on here when it doesnt work after the whole organization blows up from disfunction brought on by this. Just wait and let s see what reggie can do with a clean bill of salary cap and draft picks. And note he still doesnt have that. And thats the truth.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:00 am
DOES ANYONE TAKE DEON SERIOUSLY ABOUT ANYTHING ?
February 27th, 2013 at 7:01 am
69.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:00 am
DOES ANYONE TAKE DEON SERIOUSLY ABOUT ANYTHING ?
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Deion does.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:04 am
Something I have read many on here also are already to jump on reggie about is. The idea of dropping down in the draft. LOL people, jimmy johnson and many other need to rebuild organizations did just this. We need players and many. The 8-8 seasons werent nothing to brag about. Nobody remembers teams that went to the playoffs. Denver, its a new season every year and only that matters is winning a superbowl!do what you need to do reggie and dennis and I thought we should have cleaned house a year ago. But reggie didnt wanna rebuild do to the hostility of the nation
February 27th, 2013 at 7:08 am
Trying to keep calm…….just too many posts…
February 27th, 2013 at 7:09 am
I like this take from a scout at the combine, her words.
“…Who else didn’t impress me? Tyrann Mathieu. The “Honey Badger” is small and weak. Dude is only 5-8, 180 lbs., and benched 225 lbs. four (4) times at the Combine. He’s going to get worked like a TJ hooker in a demostracion del burro by the Andre Johnsons, Calvin Johnsons and Larry Fitzgeralds of the world. Good luck little buddy! “
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Her words?????
Sounded like it, lol.
This kid will not be lined up against big WRs in the slot, man.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:11 am
Need someone with some athleticism, that can also block, so that excludes Ausberry.
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Don’t give up on Ausberry quite yet folks.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:14 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:16 am
Don’t give up on Ausberry quite yet folks.
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Why not? I’ve already given up. He’s a late round prospect that didn’t star in college as a WR and can’t learn how to be a TE or block like one. Can’t run good routes. Gets way too excited after a pedestrian 8 yard catch every now and then. It’s time to call a spade a spade and move on. At least it was a low risk failure.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Move Reece to TE.Wasted at fullback.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:20 am
Good Morning Vice Pres MIKE
February 27th, 2013 at 7:22 am
In fact forget TE.The Raiders should look at the way the vikes use Harvin and have a similar gameplan for Reece.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:22 am
lol Guest, not me.. thats RaiderO’s job !!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:23 am
lol lol.. i am just one of the many taste testers !!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:28 am
Looking for a TE? Keep tabs on Chris Gragg from Arkansas. He ran a 4.5 forty. Blew all the other TE’s away. Still need to check the tape.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:28 am
lol lol.. i am just one of the many taste testers !!
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a man of the people!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:30 am
TE is a luxury right now.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:32 am
agreed. we need a #1 WR in the worst way. the group in place is just not enough. wide receiver is our most pressing free agent need.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:34 am
I like the Titans FA TE Cook, but seems they may tag him.
We need someone big, rangy, with some athleticism.
Myers is not quite “big”, extremely unrangy, and “some” athleticism is being pretty creative with the meaning of some.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:36 am
NEIL!!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Taste testers…lol
Good one Mike!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:38 am
I think just about every position is our most pressing need,but I’d say a centre should be first in free agency.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:38 am
Good afternoon LMN!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:42 am
yup
February 27th, 2013 at 7:42 am
we have to vamp up our O-line, faster o-linemen, so they can block down the field for Mcd/or other RB, would be nice as well
February 27th, 2013 at 7:44 am
From walterfootball.com…..
Floyd makes a ton of sense from a needs staindpoint. Richard Seymour’s contract has been voided. Meanwhile, Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning. He’s a thug who has played so sluggishly this year in the rare instances when he wasn’t trying to injure the opposing quarterback, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:45 am
I just think you have to play to your strengths.Wiz at guard makes the oline better.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:47 am
“15 year old head coach”…..DAMN!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:47 am
pretty objective professional writing from walterfootball. do adolescents run things over there?
February 27th, 2013 at 7:48 am
LOL
February 27th, 2013 at 7:49 am
I just think you have to play to your strengths.Wiz at guard makes the oline better.
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I would love to see us adding a center, but give Wiz a redo from that ZBS experiment that failed. I think the kid’s gonna be alright if we give him time and continuity at the center position. If we add Warmack, that left side of the line would be sick.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:50 am
Off for a quick bite – then off to work.
Have a great Wednesday everyone.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:53 am
I read Walter Football’s mocks, because they seem to have a decent idea of some rumors and what not. They called Lou Murphy to the Raiders that year.
But I pass on the write-ups on the players below.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:55 am
take care neil..
February 27th, 2013 at 7:56 am
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 am
by the way, you wanted to know who the Palmer cult members are? stick around for 2 seconds .. they post comments here pretty often (Gdog, SeyGlenn & Purv) to name a few
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whew! I was pretty sure I was part of that Carson cult too. I still am rooting for Carson and I got my CP3 jersey so too much invested now. Still if Carson doesn’t take a paycut and restructure, I won’t be mad at Reggie for cutting him. But if he does, I’m looking forward to Carson being the starter for the next couple of years and the Pryor talk can go on the backburner. Hope that doesn’t make me a cultist.
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One would think there would be more than just a handful of not-crazy people that think it is irresponsible to dump a top 16 QB and our BEST PLAYER, for either a guy with throwing problems and one start under his belt; or a guy that is fresh out of college (when we have so many OTHER needs to fill)! Especially if it will cost us 9 mill in cap room to dump him, and we lose a first and second draft pick FOR NOTHING.
But this is one crazy place!
February 27th, 2013 at 7:58 am
I would argue we get “nothing” out of playing Carson Palmer.
Unless going from 8-8 to 4-12 is your type of thing.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:58 am
wat up nation, i see things havent changed much but at least we got somme new post. Warmack should be the pick no doubt he will be a dominant guard in the league. picking warmack will go a long way in terms of getting are running game back to where it should be which would open up the passing for palmer and the rest of the o as it did under hue. the running game takes pressure off the linemen when they have to pass block because dlinemen are worried about the run and cant pin their ears back. Millner surprilsed me at the combine with his speed but WArmack should be the guy if we want value.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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Is fat and drunk okay? Or fat drunk and smart?
Are you an authorirty on this? Link please. LOL
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
There are elite players at every position. Tiers and subtiers of talent. But not every position is equal.
All else being equal, here’s how I rank the high value positions:
1) QB’s. Franchise QB’s are far and away the most valuable if they are truly exceptional and need to be taken off the board at or near the top of the draft.
2) Guys who can get to the QB and take him down quickly. Franchise DE’s are capable of turning an also ran defense into a feared defense.
3) Guys who protect the QB’s from the guys who are smacking the QB’s. O-linemen are critical protection of your highest priority position on the team.
So in order, take a QB or take a guy who crushes QB’s or failing that take a guy who protects QB.
There’s your top 3 by position values assuming elite talent across the board.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
guards are a dime a dozen. when picking at the top of the draft you would hope for a premier position, defensive and left tackle.. quarterback. I don’t want warmak unless we trade back
February 27th, 2013 at 8:07 am
As much as Warmack would help solidify the whole left side, (Veld-War-Wiz)…..I cringe at the thought of then WAITING till the 3rd to pick again. I still think we should trade back if we can, and grab somebody like Dion Jordan if he’s still around….
We need as many picks closest to the top end as we can get.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:08 am
would argue we get “nothing” out of playing Carson Palmer.
Unless going from 8-8 to 4-12 is your type of thing.
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pretty loaded conclusion to say that’s all on Carson.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am
You won’t get Warmack by trading back. Philly will take him if he’s there.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Kirk Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:44 am
From walterfootball.com…..
Floyd makes a ton of sense from a needs staindpoint. Richard Seymour’s contract has been voided. Meanwhile, Tommy Kelly is a bum who doesn’t care about winning. He’s a thug who has played so sluggishly this year in the rare instances when he wasn’t trying to injure the opposing quarterback, so there’s no chance he’s going to see a penny of his $6.5 million salary in 2013. He’s as good as gone, and 15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen lost all respect in the locker room for not cutting him after the opener.
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15-year-old head coach Dennis Allen… OUCH!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:10 am
We need as many picks closest to the top end as we can get.
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I agree w/u Ghost. But if the right offer doesn’t hit Reggie’s phone and it’s time to turn in the card, Warmack wouldn’t be a bad way to start the draft.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:10 am
I can’t see Philly taking him at #4.
Better chance Chip goes with Austin at #4 to fit his offense.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am
If we get Warmack and trot out Carson again, we might not even win 4 games next year.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am
G’morning fellas
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Animal House
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am
107.Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
guards are a dime a dozen. when picking at the top of the draft you would hope for a premier position, defensive and left tackle.. quarterback. I don’t want warmak unless we trade back
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Good Guards are not a dime a dozen. If so, we’d have at least one good one. Also, it’s been said many times that no one in this class really are true top 5’s, so who cares what position you draft at #3. Who ever helps our team best is the way to go.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:12 am
neilb Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:47 am
“15 year old head coach”…..DAMN!
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That hit the nail on the head, didn’t it?
February 27th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Philly will take milliner over warmack
February 27th, 2013 at 8:13 am
if not warmack who is worth the pick at 3 with no trade down?
February 27th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Teams win Super Bowls all the time, and replace their guards the next season.
Or switch them up mid-season.
Good guards may not be a dime a dozen, but teams win with average, mid round picks at guard all the time.
What kind of impact did HOF Steve Hutchinson make? He missed the playoffs 75% of the time in his career.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:14 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 am
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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Is fat and drunk okay? Or fat drunk and smart?
Are you an authorirty on this? Link please. LOL
***************Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Animal House
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lol or my house !!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:14 am
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:10 am
We need as many picks closest to the top end as we can get.
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I agree w/u Ghost. But if the right offer doesn’t hit Reggie’s phone and it’s time to turn in the card, Warmack wouldn’t be a bad way to start the draft.
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No, I wouldn’t be disappointed with that pick. I just think their number 1 priority should be “Trade Back”….
That’s just me though…….. The last 2 guys we got with our 2nd rounders were Houston, and Wiz…..Both pretty dang good, and flash impact status at times. I want another 2nd rounder this year.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:58 am
I would argue we get “nothing” out of playing Carson Palmer.
Unless going from 8-8 to 4-12 is your type of thing.
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If Reggie truly believes 8-8 is the best CP or Pryor can manage, yes, we should follow your “plan.” Draft Geno or trade for players that could be WORSE than CP (Smith, Flynn.)
Good plan!
Except we should go one step further, IMO. We should blow up the entire franchise. Trade every veteran under contract, and let every FA walk. Start completely over.
For some reason I don’t see this happening… I doubt an 0-16 team will fill even the newly tarped off stadium.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
warmack=better runing game=better passing game and play action=carson having a great season=winning season.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:18 am
Better chance Chip goes with Austin at #4 to fit his offense.
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no way! If any GM reaches for a WR in this draft before say pick 20, they are off their rocker. Austin is too small to have a legit role at the next level. Got the speed, but against bigger CB’s he will get stuffed at the POA.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:22 am
Trading Palmer doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll go 0-16 or even 4-12 again.he’s not Tom Brady. If we can get a 2nd rd pick id take it all day… maybe for a 3rd or 4th..
February 27th, 2013 at 8:23 am
JFB, how much impact did HOFer tony gonzalez make? one playoff win.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:25 am
For those arguing about the relative value of guards and tackles, it used to be that tackles were premier and paid the big money, and guards were table scraps.
Well just look at last year, the Tampa Bucs gave free agent guard from New Orleans Carl Nicks a whopping 5 year/47.5 million dollar deal. Teams don’t do that just because they are being nice. Elite guards are just as important nowadays as tackles. We may have an elite guard fall in our lap on draft day. Something to consider…
February 27th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Warmack =1guy bocking 1 guy….. a franchise qb =winning.. a stud de = qb pressure most weeks.. a lt = Blind Side protection… guard is not an impact position, its an easier position to find and to play and therefore is less valuable.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:31 am
130. Yes, if all things are equal. But there are no franchise QB’s. There are plenty of very good DE’s, and a few very good OL’s. Lot of value, but nothing screams “franchise player”. At least not right now. In retrospect, I’m sure there will be some stud HOF’s in this group. Need to settle on the highest floor you can get though, since we all know there are draft busts every year.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:33 am
So nobody thinks we could get two pretty good TEs for a lot less than the price of a #1 receiver?
Tight Ends:
Tony Gonzalez – ATL
Ed Dickson – BAL – (RFA)
Dennis Pitta – BAL – (RFA)
Ben Watson – CLE
Steve Maneri – KC – (RFA)
Anthony Fasano – MIA
Visanthe Shiancoe – NE
Martellus Bennett – NYG
Dustin Keller – NYJ
Brandon Myers – OAK
Dante Rosario – SD
Delanie Walker – SF
Jared Cook – TEN
Fred Davis – WAS
Vinsanthe Shiancoe – FA
February 27th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Warmack= elite guard not middle of the pack which=Dmac if healthy rushing for close to 2000 yards. see what Hutchinson did for shaun alexander carrer and see alexander post hutchinson
February 27th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Warmack =1guy bocking 1 guy…..
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But what if that one guy is a MLB at the goal line? I saw this in the championship game and went WOAH! I don’t think I have ever seen that so quickly before. The guy might change how the position is played!
WARMACK WARMACK WARMACK!!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:36 am
we have holes at so many major positions I just don’t see the importance of taking a guard.. jordan or floyd both fit our multiple front plans.. and pass rusher is our biggest need… we all would like to trade back but if that doesn’t happen I think we take 1 of those 2 guys. Joeckel & Smith should be gone.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:36 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:34 am
Warmack= elite guard not middle of the pack which=Dmac if healthy rushing for close to 2000 yards. see what Hutchinson did for shaun alexander carrer and see alexander post hutchinson
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PREACH IT BROTHER!!!
WARMACK WARMACK WARMACK!!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Teams win Super Bowls all the time, and replace their guards the next season.
Or switch them up mid-season.
Good guards may not be a dime a dozen, but teams win with average, mid round picks at guard all the time.
What kind of impact did HOF Steve Hutchinson make? He missed the playoffs 75% of the time in
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So you say, Spinmeister.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:38 am
Better to draft a TE in the later rounds. Whoever we get is going to be more athletic than Myers. Save our Free agent $ and cut the fat from the roster including DHB (sorry time to hit the bricks pal, no restructure and no soup for you).
Go after a real No 1 WR in free agency. We can’t get anywhere with this group of guys. Olson knows it. Allen knows it. Reggie knows it.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:38 am
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:25 am
For those arguing about the relative value of guards and tackles, it used to be that tackles were premier and paid the big money, and guards were table scraps.
Well just look at last year, the Tampa Bucs gave free agent guard from New Orleans Carl Nicks a whopping 5 year/47.5 million dollar deal. Teams don’t do that just because they are being nice. Elite guards are just as important nowadays as tackles. We may have an elite guard fall in our lap on draft day. Something to consider…
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PREACH IT BROTHER!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:42 am
if we pass on warmack and he turns out to be an all star I don’t think my stomach is going to hurt. But if we pass on genol or Jordan and they have the All Star careers it will haunt me…
February 27th, 2013 at 8:44 am
Put into perspective. If Geno were in last year’s draft, probably would not be talked about as anything but a 2nd round pick. Geno as a top 3 pick is major reach and I’m praying that we avoid that landmine.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:45 am
Sorry about allstar instead or probowler.. its bball season.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Marks Hair we cant afford to miss with our pick if we stay at three Warmack is the closest thing to a sure thing.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:50 am
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:42 am
if we pass on warmack and he turns out to be an all star I don’t think my stomach is going to hurt. But if we pass on genol or Jordan and they have the All Star careers it will haunt me…
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Well obviously QB is more important thus more painful to pass up… but honestly… which do you think is more likely to happen? Warmack a bust, or Geno a bust?
WE NEED TO NAIL THIS PICK!!
Geno busting is ten times more likely than Warmack IMO.
I am simply against drafting ANY defensive player without trading down… Jordan is out at 3.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am
What are genos red flags? I’m not completely sold on him yet but I haven’t seen the red flags that people are shooting him down over.
Great arm
Very accurate
Reads defenses well, not a one read and dump passer
Pocket passer that happens to run a 4.59 40
he might not have dominated when his team was the underdog but he never really played bad in those games either..
February 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:48 am
Marks Hair we cant afford to miss with our pick if we stay at three Warmack is the closest thing to a sure thing.
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Great minds think alike. Hopefully Reggie is the same.
We simply cannot have a bust here. Warmack at three or trade down and keep trading down. Those should be our options.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:54 am
If we drafted Geno?
Would we have the resources to help develop two QBs at the same time (Pryor and Geno)?
Pryor still needs some coaching and development?
February 27th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:52 am
What are genos red flags? I’m not completely sold on him yet but I haven’t seen the red flags that people are shooting him down over.
Great arm
Very accurate
Reads defenses well, not a one read and dump passer
Pocket passer that happens to run a 4.59 40
he might not have dominated when his team was the underdog but he never really played bad in those games either..
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I wouldn’t HATE picking him at three, but if this is true, I doubt he is still there at three.
Thus its back to Warmack!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Warmack is a beast and would move any DT backwards including Ngata, pair him with Veldeer and that is a devasting rublocking combo.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:00 am
Think we go hard after a NT this year? Are we going to be a 3-4 or 4-3 team?
February 27th, 2013 at 9:00 am
eastoaklandraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:55 am
Warmack is a beast and would move any DT backwards including Ngata, pair him with Veldeer and that is a devasting rublocking combo.
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Check this photo series I made about Cooper whiffing on a block that would have sent McFadden TO THE HOUSE and tell me we don’t need Warmack… http://tinyurl.com/auduevb
February 27th, 2013 at 9:02 am
ESPN fat-man Bill Williamson still thinks we are picking Sharrif Floyd… I like DTs, just not one that weighs less than 300 lbs. We need a massive dude to anchor the heart of the D.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:04 am
Warmacks definitely a plug in and play guy. I wouldnt lose sleep over the pick. But at 3 a guard is a bit dissapointing.. so many fantastic guards are taken late first second or third round… at pick 3 you’re looking for jerseys and posters to sell…
February 27th, 2013 at 9:05 am
so star has a heart issue, jones has a neck issue, jordan has a shoulder issue, moore is weak and slow, guess if you can’t trade back it’s warmack?
fyi did you know margus hunt the 6′8 DE who ran a 4.56 has only been playing football since 2009? wowzers
February 27th, 2013 at 9:06 am
at pick 3 you’re looking for jerseys and posters to sell…
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if the big ugly at #3 helps generates “W’s”, don’t worry about Mark Davis’s ability to sell jerseys and posters. it will all work itself out.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am
fyi did you know margus hunt the 6′8 DE who ran a 4.56 has only been playing football since 2009? wowzers
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yep, and a 39 inch vertical leap and 81 inch wingspan. and does that carrying an athletic underarmor cut 280 lbs. dude’s a freak. but still very raw project. won’t last till the 3rd round.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:08 am
great pics gdog. WARMACK!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am
If the Raiders are ever going to mix in some 3-4, they’ve got to get a 2 gapper like Star.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am
95.7 the game just reported alex smith to Chiefs a done deal Whiners get a 2nd this year and a 2 nd next year whiners made out pretty darn well
February 27th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Alex smith to KC
February 27th, 2013 at 9:12 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/report-49ers-have-agreed-to-send-alex-smith-to-kc/
February 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am
This is NOT a playmaker draft year; this draft had talent at OT, DE, DT, OG. The only playmaker worthy of a top ten pick is Geno. Raiders need a RT almost as bad as we need a pass rush specialist; doesn’t do I’d any good to sack opposing QBs twice a game if were giving up just as many.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:13 am
it’s a strong class for safety’s. I wish we didn’t have the highest paid pair of àssholes in the NFL…
February 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am
95.7 the game just reported alex smith to Chiefs a done deal Whiners get a 2nd this year and a 2 nd next year whiners made out pretty darn well
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Lie.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Stars harts bad.. he’s out
February 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am
If we can get a 2nd rd pick id take it all day… maybe for a 3rd or 4th..
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no doubt, i’d take palmer over smith flynn or the other vet scrubs avail but gimme a vet scrub and a 3rd and he’s all yours. maybe we trade a late pick for, wait for it…….jason campbell!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Marks Hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:15 am
Stars harts bad.. he’s out
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We don’t know that yet.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:17 am
if glazer says it, it’s a done deal
February 27th, 2013 at 9:17 am
a lot of these defensive ends are really gifted, some of them will turn out to be big players.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:18 am
A KC second rounder is almost a first rounder. KC gave up the farm for a pop gun QB. Next year’s second rounder should be another pick in the 30’s. Sweet deal for the whiners.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:18 am
44% on an echo is a big red flag..
February 27th, 2013 at 9:19 am
so chiefs pick joeckel
jags pick Geno
and the Oakland Raiders select…….
February 27th, 2013 at 9:19 am
We need to trade with sf.. they might move up for a guy they like.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:20 am
still can’t believe on top of the two 2nd rounders, the Chefs agree to Alex Smith’s salary. wow!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am
164.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:14 am
Ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:11 am
95.7 the game just reported alex smith to Chiefs a done deal Whiners get a 2nd this year and a 2 nd next year whiners made out pretty darn well
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Lie.
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?????, how is he lying?
February 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Kell Ur a moron they r reporting it glazer broke the story no lies u old fool put the bottle down troll
February 27th, 2013 at 9:21 am
even though i’m not an alex smith fan alex smith>cassell and the chiefs have alot of talent that happened to be hurt last year
February 27th, 2013 at 9:22 am
and the Oakland Raiders select…….
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Roger Goodell walks slowly to the podium. “with the 3rd pick of the 2013 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders announce a trade….” crowd hushes….
February 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Ya Guest Chiefs completely overpaid for a pop gun Qb like u said there second this year is practically a 1st whiners made out good
February 27th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Carson Palmer >> Alex Smith which = pick #33 this year and likely pick #33 next year.
Carson is worth a helluva lot more than most of you think he is!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:25 am
If the Chiefs really gave up a pair of 2s, that’s laughable. Although now John Clayton is reporting they’re not giving up those picks entirely, they’re swapping positions from the top to the bottom of the round. Which makes a lot more sense.
If I’m the Raiders, I would trade the No. 3 to the 49ers for picks 31 and 34 now. Everyone in the world keeps saying it’s going to be incredibly hard to trade out of the top 5 due to lack of elite guys and the fact there’s a lot of depth.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
If I’m the Raiders, I would trade the No. 3 to the 49ers for picks 31 and 34 now. Everyone in the world keeps saying it’s going to be incredibly hard to trade out of the top 5 due to lack of elite guys and the fact there’s a lot of depth.
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yah, but I don’t like getting bent over by the whiners, throw in their 3rd rounder and it’s a deal.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
We have GOT to get a trade for palmer..
February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
I wonder if the Fairey-Niners would be a trading partner for the #3 pick…they seem flush.
Don’t they have a need at RG to complete their #1 draft pick O-Line.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Chiefs will trade second-round pick this year – the top pick in second round – as well as another conditional mid-round pick in 2014
February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Alex Smith is marginally better than Cassel and Jason Campbell. Probably around the 25-35 best QB in the league. Palmer is far better.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Yup, its all over the web now…Alex Smith to KC! They gave up pick #33!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:27 am
We have GOT to get a trade for palmer..
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or a #1 wide receiver.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am
let’s hope bowe leaves
February 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
All you guys screaming to cut Palmer. At least have to try to trade him. He’s much better than A Smith ever will be and look what the whiners ended up getting!
No more talk of cutting him. Need to restructure him now or pimp him out.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
would love to see Palmer throwing the ball to Bowe !!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:34 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
would love to see Palmer throwing the ball to Bowe !!
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he’s underrated, his qb’s have been matt cassell and brady quinn, hopefully they lowered his value enough
February 27th, 2013 at 9:35 am
189.inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:30 am
let’s hope bowe leaves
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Story on NFL.com creates a Bowe to the Patriots.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000145406/article/tom-brady-contract-might-allow-patriots-to-target-mike-wallace
February 27th, 2013 at 10:14 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:32 am
would love to see Palmer throwing the ball to Bowe !!
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the only way Reggie would have enough $$$ to sign Bowe would be to trade Carson’s contract away to another team. fat chance to say the least. i’m sure they’re just going to look to draft more late round gems at the receiver position and focus on defense.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:27 am
Chris in NY Says:
If I’m the Raiders, I would trade the No. 3 to the 49ers for picks 31 and 34 now.
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Alex Smith is marginally better than Cassel and Jason Campbell
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I like that trade although I don’t see SF doing it.
Alex had to have a near perfect team around him to shine. Matt had a better year then Alex ever did with the Pats. Then Matt had a year as good as anything Alex has done in his second year at KC.
Unless they see something in Matt that I don’t but I bet he would do great in NE or SF.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
“As a general policy, the Raiders don’t comment on personnel matters,” the statement read, “so the team isn’t able to confirm or deny the report. If the organization has more to say in the future, (we) will let you know.”
===Ok, but their “policy” is arbitrary apparently when they responded like this to a different personnel matter a few months ago:
“Members of the media: There are two people on this planet that have the ability to make talks happen between Jon Gruden and the Raiders, with regard to him allegedly taking over the football operations, and/or the position of head coach. Each of those individuals, owner Mark Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie, wanted me to communicate that this rumor has no validity whatsoever. And for the record, I’m personally disgusted that Hub Arkush would spread such an untruth on the day our head coach, Dennis Allen, had to determine with his mom, his brother and sister, whether to take his dad off life support or wait and hope that he would regain consciousness. Dennis didn’t have an opportunity to say goodbye to his dad, but he did have an opportunity to take a phone call regarding Hub’s story.
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On NFLN Siciliano was kind of mocking that last part where Gilbert says “we’ll let you know”…like ‘okay…whatever’.
Raiders PR has not changed since Al Davis.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:30 am
Most QB’s need a quality team and talent around them. Football is the quintessential team sport…
February 27th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Smith to KC is HUGE news for the Raiders, and good news at that.
It all but assueres KC taking someone other than Geno Smith (probably Joeckel, if I’m spelling correctly) and puts Geno in play for other teams like the Jets who may be willing to move up to get him and Oakland at #3 is an ideal trading partner.
We move down up to 15 spots and we can still get a difference maker in the front 7 or O Line and a 2nd or maybe 3rd rounder (possibly more, being that the trade involves the top QB in the draft) and gives us a bunch of leverage.
Reggie would be foolish not to take advantage of this, as he could still have a shot at a guy like EJ Manual if he really wanted a QB AND a potential D/OL starter in the 1st round.
Also sort of tells us what Andy Reid and KC brass thinks of Geno (IE not worth a top pick).
February 27th, 2013 at 10:35 am
assures*
February 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Also sort of tells us what Andy Reid and KC brass thinks of Geno (IE not worth a top pick).
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This is the key right here. Not worthy and I trust Reids assesment way more than the 15yr olds. Nobody better start with the Alex smith sucks and this is gonna be 2 wins a year for us because as of this very minute we are still the worst team in our division and we just got worse.
Quarterbacks much worse than Smith bent us over and had thier way with us all year.
Until we draft someone that is a difference maker or get some FA’s we are the WORST in the west.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am
200.
heill no!
KC just replaced the worst QB in the division with a slightly better version, but they still have the worst QB and there’s no doubt about it.
And I think we can talk 2 wins a year. Look at last year for instance. KC is pathetic and don’t go confusing humility with honesty.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
196.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
“As a general policy, the Raiders don’t comment on personnel matters,” the statement read, “so the team isn’t able to confirm or deny the report. If the organization has more to say in the future, (we) will let you know.”
===Ok, but their “policy” is arbitrary apparently when they responded like this to a different personnel matter a few months ago:
“Members of the media: There are two people on this planet that have the ability to make talks happen between Jon Gruden and the Raiders, with regard to him allegedly taking over the football operations, and/or the position of head coach. Each of those individuals, owner Mark Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie, wanted me to communicate that this rumor has no validity whatsoever. And for the record, I’m personally disgusted that Hub Arkush would spread such an untruth on the day our head coach, Dennis Allen, had to determine with his mom, his brother and sister, whether to take his dad off life support or wait and hope that he would regain consciousness. Dennis didn’t have an opportunity to say goodbye to his dad, but he did have an opportunity to take a phone call regarding Hub’s story.
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On NFLN Siciliano was kind of mocking that last part where Gilbert says “we’ll let you know”…like ‘okay…whatever’.
Raiders PR has not changed since Al Davis.
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Are you really comparing their response to the Gruden rumor (which was released out of respect to Dennis Allen, who was attending to his father on his deathbed) and their “no comment” to the Holmgren “interview”?
Perspective, dude. Good lord.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I don’t have the same level of respect for Andy Reid that u guys do.
With the talent loaded squad he had doesn’t he have same exact record as Raiders last 3 yr’s?
I’m not as frightened of him at KC as some of you are.
I don’t think he’s a horrible coach, but it’s not like he was stuck with some talentless group of scrubs these past few yr’s.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Some QB starved team is gonna jump on Geno. Maybe the Cardinals or Bills. Maybe even the Browns. He’s still gonna be a first round QB. Someone will take a chance on the hype. But it won’t be us.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:48 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Also sort of tells us what Andy Reid and KC brass thinks of Geno (IE not worth a top pick).
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This is the key right here. Not worthy and I trust Reids assesment way more than the 15yr olds. Nobody better start with the Alex smith sucks and this is gonna be 2 wins a year for us because as of this very minute we are still the worst team in our division and we just got worse.
Quarterbacks much worse than Smith bent us over and had thier way with us all year.
Until we draft someone that is a difference maker or get some FA’s we are the WORST in the west.
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:45 am
200.
heill no!
KC just replaced the worst QB in the division with a slightly better version, but they still have the worst QB and there’s no doubt about it.
And I think we can talk 2 wins a year. Look at last year for instance. KC is pathetic and don’t go confusing humility with honesty.
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To Funny Guest timing is everything!! LOL
February 27th, 2013 at 10:48 am
2 second rd picks for Smith???
Much better than the 4th rd pick some suggested.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:49 am
*too funny
February 27th, 2013 at 10:49 am
Thats actually a pretty good deal…
February 27th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Been hammering on Mark D to find an actual Pres. Of Football Ops for nearly a year, glad to see him interviewing, but Holmgren isn’t the guy… I want someone Reggie ISN’T comfortable with to be his boss. Reggie went unchecked in 2012 and his decisions were questionable at best.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:51 am
What’s up with old Niner QBs going to KC? Montana, Bono, and Grbac,and now Smith!
February 27th, 2013 at 10:52 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Also sort of tells us what Andy Reid and KC brass thinks of Geno (IE not worth a top pick).
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This is the key right here. Not worthy and I trust Reids assesment way more than the 15yr olds. Nobody better start with the Alex smith sucks and this is gonna be 2 wins a year for us because as of this very minute we are still the worst team in our division and we just got worse.
Quarterbacks much worse than Smith bent us over and had thier way with us all year.
Until we draft someone that is a difference maker or get some FA’s we are the WORST in the west.
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Thank god for Jacksonville!
February 27th, 2013 at 10:53 am
AR is a mess. Suprised he hasn’t had a heart attack with all he’s gone thru losing his son to drugs. He’s not the coach that the media prop him up to be. His winning pct is a mirage. He never recovered from losing his DC Johnson. He kept trying new guys, one after another they failed him even with high priced talent. He’s a one trick pony and it’s centered on developing QB’s. He hitched his wagon to the wrong horse here. This is a trainwreck coming off the tracks over in KC. Gonna be fun to watch as Raider fans.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:53 am
2 second rd picks for Smith???
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trade Palmer to the Jags for pick #34 and next year’s 2nd !!
maybe even a 5th rounder to make up for the pick we lost in the Aaron Curry trade
February 27th, 2013 at 10:54 am
What’s up with old Niner QBs going to KC? Montana, Bono, and Grbac,and now Smith!
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Not to mention the other FA QB’s that KC tries time and time again to come to KC to resuccitate the offense. This feels like Cassel all over again, where they have such promise in Alex Smith. It will be a very short honeymoon.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:56 am
I suspect the Chiefs-Smith deal will go over about as well as the Raiders-Palmer deal.
They clearly gave up way too much for him, and then he will go off to be a “better QB” for a non-playoff team.
Chiefs stink.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
trade Palmer to the Jags for pick #34 and next year’s 2nd !!
$$$$
co-sign
February 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
LOL. Alex Smith to KC. First Stanford Routt, now this? Gotta love the Chiefs, they make Reggie Mack look like Bill Walsh!
February 27th, 2013 at 10:59 am
It’s a low brow thing to say, but thank God we have the KC Chiefs in our division. Someone stupider than us.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Reid and Smith will probably jump out to a decent start of the season, they will be all the talk and completely over-hyped in the media, and then they will do what the Chiefs always do, and that is fold when they get punched in the mouth.
F the Chefs!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:01 am
Hard to take any pleasure in KC’s demise when we were barely better…
The way it’s going, the two 8-8 season are gonna be the Glory Days of the recent past with this regime in place.
Freakin sad state of affairs in Oakland…
February 27th, 2013 at 11:04 am
Take it one day at a time Gents. Today is a good day: Alex Smith to KC. Now we wait for the draft and Reggie Macks magic stutter! wohooo!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Anyone who thinks the Cheifs are worse off than us is… Well delusional quite frankly.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:06 am
KC sucks and even their fans know it.
trust me, I live here in Missouri
I think the Raiders should look to trade Palmer immediately and see if we can sign Matt Cassel & Matt Moore in free agency for peanuts (to compete with Pryor for the starting job)
guaranteed we’re winning more games than KC & JAX next year, especially with Smith & Palmer at QB
February 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am
chiefs still have jamaal charles, eric berry, tamba hali and brandon flowers. do we even have a player as good as any of those?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Anyone who thinks the Cheifs are worse off than us is… Well delusional quite frankly.
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HB,
KC = hot trash
OAK = hot trash
question is, which one stinks worse?
recent years tell us it’s obviously Kansas Pity!!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:08 am
guaranteed we’re winning more games than KC & JAX next year, especially with Smith & Palmer at QB
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Now I’m fired up for the season lol
I will hold judgement until after the draft and free agency to see where we stand.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:09 am
Last time we played those guys, Matt Giordano was leading a defense to a shutout.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:10 am
inonewordraider,
names don’t mean squat. Philly was the best team in their division “on paper” too
how many games did they win?
same with Detroit…
February 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Al is still taking blame for the roster and lak of picks, but I was Mark/Amy who made the Palmer deal which handicapped us the most…besides being an un mobile QB behind a poor o line… Not a very good fit to say the least. Palmer s the 8th biggest cap hit of QB’s on a 4 win team, doesn’t make much sense.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:11 am
Inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:07 am
chiefs still have jamaal charles, eric berry, tamba hali and brandon flowers. do we even have a player as good as any of those?
++++++++++++
What? we have something so much more promising: the wave of the futah, Terrell Pryor: can run, pass, run, audible, run, and run some more. Superbowl bound baby!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
RRS,
Glad to see you come around on Palmer. You can at least agree now that we should not cut him.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I don’t have the same level of respect for Andy Reid that u guys do.
With the talent loaded squad he had doesn’t he have same exact record as Raiders last 3 yr’s?
I’m not as frightened of him at KC as some of you are.
I don’t think he’s a horrible coach, but it’s not like he was stuck with some talentless group of scrubs these past few yr’s.
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KC took the fishlin AGAIN like they did with Cassel. BI PRODUCT OF THE SYSTEM!
Andy Reid if anything else, is the most passing coach in NFL history. how many attempts does Alex Smith average again? he is in trouble IMO. i might be wrong…
Tent Baulky is GM of the year already though. 2 2nd rounders? good night.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:13 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:08 am
Anyone who thinks the Cheifs are worse off than us is… Well delusional quite frankly.
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HB,
KC = hot trash
OAK = hot trash
question is, which one stinks worse?
recent years tell us it’s obviously Kansas Pity!!
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If we are talking purely on the upcoming season it’s hard to see How Oakland fields a better team than K.C.
inonewordraider mentioned some players the Cheifs have that definetley give them hope and are healthy. Pair that with a last place schedule and what I believe to be a legit coach in Andy reid and you have improvement.
Not a playoff team but ahead of the game compared to Oakland at this time.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Hope we dint draft Geno…..Hope we take Millner….or trade back and pick up Xavier Rhodes
February 27th, 2013 at 11:14 am
I’m hoping KC drafts an LT, Jax drafts Floyd; we trade #3 overall to Cleveland, Arizona, or Buffalo- whichever one offers us two firsts.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:15 am
especially when Dwyane Bowe and Albert walk away now. they will most likely plug in 2 rookies there(they do have money to spend for FA though) …
i will say that Alex Smith is worlds better than he was a few years ago. still isn’t saying much. his arm doesn’t match the brains. he also has a good RB behind him. we’ll just have to see how this one plays out
good thing for the raiders is Geno will drop to them. bigger chance to trade back now.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Tent Baulky is GM of the year already though. 2 2nd rounders? good night.
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said to be the #33 pick this year and a mid round pick next year. no matter. it was a major cornholing.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:16 am
“Not a playoff team but ahead of the game compared to Oakland at this time.”
that’s what they said last year. their defense is as shot as ours is.. and now they have a slightly better QB than Cassel? i’ll have to see it to believe it.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:16 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:58 am
LOL. Alex Smith to KC. First Stanford Routt, now this? Gotta love the Chiefs, they make Reggie Mack look like Bill Walsh!
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..and don’t forget Kevin Boss. He’s done.
Still mad at him for that smart alek “I’m on the good side of the rivalry now” comment.
Bite me Boss.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says: Anyone who thinks the Chiefs are worse off than us is…well delusional quite frankly
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:08 am-
I will hold judgement until after the draft and free agency to see where we stand.
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Seems you’ve already made your stand while ignoring the fact we’ve beaten them something like 5 out of the last 6 times we’ve played them.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am
If we don’t trade down, then draft Jordan, Joeckel, or Fisher.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Alex Smith is the west-bay version of Jason Campbell. Can handle a snap pretty well, might look good handing it off, nut needs an awesome running game to win.
Alex Smith will look pathetic in KC cause he aint good enough to shoulder an offense.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Say what u will about Alex Smith, the guy won alot of games.
He is definitely an upgrade for KC.
He’s a solid game manager who doesn’t lose games for a team. He also can run a bit.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Bowe might get tagged b4 they let him walk
February 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am
So now Geno probably falls to us at #3. Don’t get too excited though. If KC thought so little of him that they gave up a virtual first rounder for a pop warner arm journeyman, the rest of the league is going to be onto the fact that Geno aint all that.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am
lefty12 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:17 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says: Anyone who thinks the Chiefs are worse off than us is…well delusional quite frankly
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:08 am-
I will hold judgement until after the draft and free agency to see where we stand.
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Seems you’ve already made your stand while ignoring the fact we’ve beaten them something like 5 out of the last 6 times we’ve played them.
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Honestley I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we spilt with K.C. or even swept them. I am saying that over the course of 16 games the Cheifs will likely have a better record than us. I believe we still own them head to head. (for what it’s worth, I don’t know)
Not much to brag about now a days.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:21 am
Say what u will about Alex Smith, the guy won alot of games.
He is definitely an upgrade for KC.
He’s a solid game manager who doesn’t lose games for a team. He also can run a bit.
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Did you know that by the numbers at PFF, under Harbaugh, Alex Smith had a +20 something rating for those two years, and the two years prior Harbaugh he was -14 something on the PFF scale?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:23 am
They went 2-14, so they will probably improve on that.
And a mid 2nd rounder wouldn’t be as bad, but the first pick in the 2nd?
That pick is golden going into the next day. Trade down scenario’s and everything.
What a jack azz move
February 27th, 2013 at 11:24 am
All this trade Palmer talk for a bag of chips and where does that get us?
Who’s our QB then?
You don’t care about crapping away yet another season?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Wonder what happens to Matt Cassell?
Funny if the Patriots pick him back up and they trade Mallett.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Alex Smith is the west-bay version of Jason Campbell. Can handle a snap pretty well, might look good handing it off, nut needs an awesome running game to win.
Alex Smith will look pathetic in KC cause he aint good enough to shoulder an offense.
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bingo
February 27th, 2013 at 11:25 am
While I have my concerns about our draft here and there, I now had my first real draft-specific nightmare this week.
In short: We won’t trade down and select with the
3rd pick… G. Lee (CB).
Who? There is no G. Lee (CB) available, but I had no
chance but to believe. I thought about a lot of scenarios before but an unknown speedster from The U or whatever… a lesson in shock..I feel prepared..
No way Reggie can top this come april…
February 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
244.Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:19 am
Bowe might get tagged b4 they let him walk
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Isn’t that a good thing? This is the 2nd time they will tag him, very expensive?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:20 am
So now Geno probably falls to us at #3. Don’t get too excited though. If KC thought so little of him that they gave up a virtual first rounder for a pop warner arm journeyman, the rest of the league is going to be onto the fact that Geno aint all that.
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Russell Wilson fell to the 3rd round. teams didn’t think enough of him to even get him late in the 2nd … look how that turned out.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
“Isn’t that a good thing? This is the 2nd time they will tag him, very expensive?”
i thought you could only tag a player once now per the new CBA?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:27 am
All this trade Palmer talk for a bag of chips and where does that get us?
Who’s our QB then?
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not for a bag of chips. He’s much better than Alex Smith imo. it’s dreaming I know, but if we could get JAX’s #34 and their 2nd round pick, I’d be all over that action. Doubt that JAX is that stupid. Doubt that there are any teams as stoopid as KC.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am
On a positive note I believe the Smith deal made the Cheifs better immedietley but long term I think they gave up too much and will not benefit overall.
I will say that Oakland is trying to do things the right way. From what I understand it takes longer to be successful when you do things the right way.
All us fans have just been patiently and at times impatiently waiting. (and waiting, and waiting…)
February 27th, 2013 at 11:29 am
255.xraided Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:26 am
“Isn’t that a good thing? This is the 2nd time they will tag him, very expensive?”
i thought you could only tag a player once now per the new CBA?
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Use of the franchise tag for a second year would result in a one-year guaranteed contract of $11.4 million. It’s unclear at this point whether the Chiefs would use the tag for a second straight season.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/14/chiefs-want-to-keep-dwayne-bowe/
February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Wow, using the Franchise Tag would make the Chiefs pay D. Bowe DHB money?
Is he worth DHB money?
Lol
February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Fair question: If Geno came out last year, where would you guys mock draft him, considering RG3, Luck, Wilson are on the board? Does he even warrant 1st round consideration?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:31 am
All this trade Palmer talk for a bag of chips and where does that get us?
Who’s our QB then?
You don’t care about crapping away yet another season?
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@DJG
2nd rounder = bag of chips ??
Palmer staying = crapping away yet another season
I just told you who the QB would be: competition (Moore, Cassel, Pryor) may the best man win!
kicking ginger to the curb means more wins, more draft picks and more money. do it Reggie!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:31 am
Dutch,
ah gotcha.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:32 am
not for a bag of chips. He’s much better than Alex Smith imo. it’s dreaming I know, but if we could get JAX’s #34 and their 2nd round pick, I’d be all over that action. Doubt that JAX is that stupid. Doubt that there are any teams as stoopid as KC.
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I would go to gymnastics with my daughter just so I could learn to do backflips, I would ecstatic.
I don’t mind Palmer and have said we have so many other holes he is not on my priority list to replace. But for that compansation I would do it in a heartbeat!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Chiefs fans pissed…….LMAO
February 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
Is he worth DHB money?
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Dutch,
King Darrius > DBowe !!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:33 am
*be
February 27th, 2013 at 11:34 am
who farted?
oh nevermind, a Chiefs fan just walked by..
February 27th, 2013 at 11:34 am
2nd rounder = bag of chips ??
Palmer staying = crapping away yet another season
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solid logic. we’re likely to crap the pants anyways.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:34 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Wow, using the Franchise Tag would make the Chiefs pay D. Bowe DHB money?
Is he worth DHB money?
Lol
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good one
February 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:46 am
196.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:28 am
“As a general policy, the Raiders don’t comment on personnel matters,” the statement read, “so the team isn’t able to confirm or deny the report. If the organization has more to say in the future, (we) will let you know.”
===Ok, but their “policy” is arbitrary apparently when they responded like this to a different personnel matter a few months ago:
“Members of the media: There are two people on this planet that have the ability to make talks happen between Jon Gruden and the Raiders, with regard to him allegedly taking over the football operations, and/or the position of head coach. Each of those individuals, owner Mark Davis and general manager Reggie McKenzie, wanted me to communicate that this rumor has no validity whatsoever. And for the record, I’m personally disgusted that Hub Arkush would spread such an untruth on the day our head coach, Dennis Allen, had to determine with his mom, his brother and sister, whether to take his dad off life support or wait and hope that he would regain consciousness. Dennis didn’t have an opportunity to say goodbye to his dad, but he did have an opportunity to take a phone call regarding Hub’s story.
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On NFLN Siciliano was kind of mocking that last part where Gilbert says “we’ll let you know”…like ‘okay…whatever’.
Raiders PR has not changed since Al Davis.
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Are you really comparing their response to the Gruden rumor (which was released out of respect to Dennis Allen, who was attending to his father on his deathbed) and their “no comment” to the Holmgren “interview”?
Perspective, dude. Good lord.
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I agree the rumor was bad timing, but a PR guy should understand that Arkush was trying to break what he thought was a big story and stated he was unaware that DA’s dad had passed away. If Gilbert would’ve assessed the situation before going ballistic about how “disgusted” he was “personally” he may have made a more professional response.
Arkush defended the report cuz his sources had told him it was going down. We can talk about how Arkush’s “sources” leave a lot to be desired perhaps as it turns out they were wrong, but like Arkush said, he had no choice as a reporter who has what he thinks is a big story to go with it. Gilbert should understand that and not knee jerk react as if Arkush had some personal vendetta against Allen or the Raiders and would deliberately spread a false story just to screw with Allen after his dad passed away.
Gilbert could’ve simply denied the report..vehemently perhaps…without throwing in personally “disgusted” he was.
As it turns out, I believe the meeting DID take place with Mark and Gruden and Gruden simply turned him down.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:35 am
King Darrius > DBowe !!
^^^^^
WTF???
$10.3 million
$10,300,000.00
Ten million, three hundred thousand and 00/xx cents.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:38 am
The NFL and the media has a hard on for hyping QBs in the first 10 picks. Ratings pure and simple. This year is lackluster for QBs.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
@G123
we’re in the same boat we were in last year in terms of RB’s & TE’s … any suggestions besides Benson, Grant, Shaincoe & Shockey (old news) ??
can we afford Felix Jones, Shonn Greene or Rashard Mendenhall?
what about Fred Davis, Dustin Keller or Martellus Bennett?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Alex Smith is the west-bay version of Jason Campbell. Can handle a snap pretty well, might look good handing it off, nut needs an awesome running game to win.
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Really? So what does Carson Palmer need to win??
February 27th, 2013 at 11:40 am
261, Rockstar, I have to respectfully disagree that Cassell would be a better option than Palmer. Matt Moore? I don’t know, and Pryor? I’d love it if he proved himself a better option.
I have not seen enough to be as excited about Pryor as some are.
I don’t think anyone around the league is pumped about Pryor being the next big thing. I don’t think anyone’s counting him out yet either.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Wouldn’t mind Mendenhall/Keller.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
DJJohnny,
What Arkush did WAS disgusting. I don’t blame the Raiders one bit for saying so.
The man could have waited 48 hours. If he lost his “scoop”, so what. There are things way more important than a rumor about a coaching change in the NFL. Like basic common decency, for example.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
Alex Smith = Matt Cassell
February 27th, 2013 at 11:42 am
273.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:39 am
@G123
we’re in the same boat we were in last year in terms of RB’s & TE’s … any suggestions besides Benson, Grant, Shaincoe & Shockey (old news) ??
can we afford Felix Jones, Shonn Greene or Rashard Mendenhall?
what about Fred Davis, Dustin Keller or Martellus Bennett?
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I would love if they signed 1-Dustin Keller or Bennett and 2-Anthony Fasano (2-Delaine Walker or 2-Brandon Meyers)
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
February 27th, 2013 at 11:44 am
we’re in the same boat we were in last year in terms of RB’s & TE’s … any suggestions besides Benson, Grant, Shaincoe & Shockey (old news) ??
can we afford Felix Jones, Shonn Greene or Rashard Mendenhall?
what about Fred Davis, Dustin Keller or Martellus Bennett?
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Not excited about any of them. I’m putting all my marbles on one legit gamebreaker wideout like Greg Jennings.
I know Jennings has recently said he wants some mad money in the top 3 range. He’s delusional. Dude’s missed 11 of his last 22 games due to injury and he’s 29 yo. Once he comes back to reality, I hope the Green Bay connection and Reggie coax him into a realistic 3 year deal for $22 mill. And that would be how I would shoot my FA wad. One big splash.
And it goes without saying, I’d cut your boy Bey like he was a bad habit. I’d not want him back at league minimum if we can land a Jennings.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
280.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
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Let me guess;
“If we bring Jamarcus back DHB will gladly restructure to a more cap-friendly deal. He will be so excited to play for The Chosen One that he’ll take way less money to stay in Oakland.”
Sound about right?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Anybody know what Alex Smiths Salary is?
Imagine what we could get for Palmer????
February 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Most of you have no hope for 2013 and think it’s a lost cause before we even get to free agency or the draft.
I’m not talking SB here, but there are some reasons to have hope for much better things in 2013.
-Defense. # 2 overall the last quarter of the season will only get better with the draft and some decent FA pickups.
-Offense. Getting back to the 2011 scheme that worked fairly well with basically the same cast of characters. Again…some additions can be made to make it better.
-Special Teams. Better coaching with Bobby April and the return of Ford. Not a tough fix to make.
-Schedule. 4th easiest in the league.
Let’s wait till after the draft and FA before writing the obituary.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
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I’ve tried to like DHB because of his athletic ability and his good guy/strong work ethic persona. But I just can’t get past how bad that dude was as a rookie. It was 10 on 11 every week. It’s not a coincidence that there was an offensive explosion that year against Pitt when he went to the bench. Starting that guy as a rookie played a huge role in the demise of JR and the team.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am
283.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Anybody know what Alex Smiths Salary is?
Imagine what we could get for Palmer????
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$9.7M for 2013
$9M for 2014
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/alex-smith/
February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am
i think i heard they’re unloading 8mill to KC .. that on top of getting 2 2nd rounders? Trent is the MAN! hope our GM is half of what he is.
that would depend on what they think about Geno Smith Kell. if they’re even willing to trade CP and his outrageous contract. if they do the paycut .. then that means he’s here to stay.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
So,
Alex Smith to the Chefs, huh? Makes sense. No way they could take Geno @ 1, after their GM said no QB in this draft is worth a first. Couldn’t spin that as pre-draft smokescreen.
Alex was playing well with SF before the injury. KC needed an upgrade @ QB. Watched Oaklands game @ Arrowhead the other day. Cassell was awful, as was Quinn in the rematch.
I guess Joekel is a lock @ 1. They need him. As much maligned as Oakland’s front seven is around here, they absolutely OWNED KC’s O-line in both games.
Seymour, Houston & co and yes even McLain stuffed a 1500 yd back in Charles and pummeled both QB’s.
So what does Oakland do to counter?
February 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Thank goodness for A Smith going to KC. not only do they lose draft picks, they’re also stuck with Mr. Overthrow and checkdown. Great day for the Raider Nation.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
As far as potential FA RBs and TE’s. We don’t need to pursue any this year.
Draft Warmack, load up the left side of the line, PBS is back, run DMC, Reece, Goodson over that roadgrader stripe.
Wait till the 4th or 5th round for any one of a number of better more phyisically talented TE’s than Myers.
done and done.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:52 am
284.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:50 am
Most of you have no hope for 2013 and think it’s a lost cause before we even get to free agency or the draft.
I’m not talking SB here, but there are some reasons to have hope for much better things in 2013.
-Defense. # 2 overall the last quarter of the season will only get better with the draft and some decent FA pickups.
-Offense. Getting back to the 2011 scheme that worked fairly well with basically the same cast of characters. Again…some additions can be made to make it better.
-Special Teams. Better coaching with Bobby April and the return of Ford. Not a tough fix to make.
-Schedule. 4th easiest in the league.
Let’s wait till after the draft and FA before writing the obituary.
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I’m not one for predictions, but a quick glance at the schedule tells me we could reasonably expect 8-8 in 2013.
Don’t quote me, though. lol
February 27th, 2013 at 11:53 am
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:41 am
DJJohnny,
What Arkush did WAS disgusting. I don’t blame the Raiders one bit for saying so.
The man could have waited 48 hours. If he lost his “scoop”, so what. There are things way more important than a rumor about a coaching change in the NFL. Like basic common decency, for example.
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Arkush claims he didn’t know about DA’s dad passing and apologized.
I’m not sticking up for Arkush and his story…he was wrong anyway.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I’ve tried to like DHB because of his athletic ability and his good guy/strong work ethic persona. But I just can’t get past how bad that dude was as a rookie. It was 10 on 11 every week. It’s not a coincidence that there was an offensive explosion that year against Pitt when he went to the bench. Starting that guy as a rookie played a huge role in the demise of JR and the team.
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Bwhahahhahahahahahaahaah! Thanks for that.
Always blaming someone else.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:54 am
So what does Oakland do to counter?
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nothing as far as KC is concerned with the Raiders. Let them start A Smith. The niners didnt win because of A Smith. He was merely asked to be Trent Dilfer 2.0 for the Ravens in 2k. It’s Denver that we worry about.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
280.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
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Let me guess;
“If we bring Jamarcus back DHB will gladly restructure to a more cap-friendly deal. He will be so excited to play for The Chosen One that he’ll take way less money to stay in Oakland.”
Sound about right?
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Based on history, if we did bring JR back we wouldn’t win less than 5 games. With your man-crush Palmer, we won’t win more than 4. Time to shut down this crazy talk about a Palmer trade. There isn’t another team out there aspiring to win 4 games! Just cut the due tonight!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:51 am
283.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:48 am
Anybody know what Alex Smiths Salary is?
Imagine what we could get for Palmer????
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$9.7M for 2013
$9M for 2014
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/alex-smith/
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Thanks. That’s quite a bit less than Palmer. Maybe we could get a rd 3 pick.
Matt Ryan and Carson Palmer could make waves in the market
February 27th, 2013 at 11:58 am
291,
That’s an improvement at least. I have no idea what we’ll be as yet, but I see some reasons to be opitimistic that good things can happen.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
295.RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
280.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
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Let me guess;
“If we bring Jamarcus back DHB will gladly restructure to a more cap-friendly deal. He will be so excited to play for The Chosen One that he’ll take way less money to stay in Oakland.”
Sound about right?
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Based on history, if we did bring JR back we wouldn’t win less than 5 games. With your man-crush Palmer, we won’t win more than 4. Time to shut down this crazy talk about a Palmer trade. There isn’t another team out there aspiring to win 4 games! Just cut the due tonight!
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Man crush on Palmer? Crazy talk about a trade?
I don’t have a man crush on Palmer, but he is our best QB at the moment. By a long shot.
The only time I mentioned Palmer and a trade was responding to a suggestion from someone else that we trade him to New York. My comment was that Arizona could be considered a trading partner as well but Palmer’s contract might be the sticking point.
And based on history, Jamarcus Russell will flame out of another attempted comeback and some people will still blame the Raiders.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
SBreport@SBreport
No idea what’s been communicated to Terrelle Pryor by Raiders as an organization, but he’s approaching the offseason like a starting QB.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Niners now have 15 draft picks and an early 2nd round .. DAYUM
not everyone will see the field. Guys will have to be cut. Reggie better be ready for that waiver wire action.
They will probaly send alot of picks jets way for Revis or Harvin
February 27th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
295.RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:56 am
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:47 am
280.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 11:43 am
@RaiderDebo
What do you think about DHB this year? You are the GM….
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Let me guess;
“If we bring Jamarcus back DHB will gladly restructure to a more cap-friendly deal. He will be so excited to play for The Chosen One that he’ll take way less money to stay in Oakland.”
Sound about right?
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Based on history, if we did bring JR back we wouldn’t win less than 5 games. With your man-crush Palmer, we won’t win more than 4. Time to shut down this crazy talk about a Palmer trade. There isn’t another team out there aspiring to win 4 games! Just cut the due tonight!
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Man crush on Palmer? Crazy talk about a trade?
I don’t have a man crush on Palmer, but he is our best QB at the moment. By a long shot.
The only time I mentioned Palmer and a trade was responding to a suggestion from someone else that we trade him to New York. My comment was that Arizona could be considered a trading partner as well but Palmer’s contract might be the sticking point.
And based on history, Jamarcus Russell will flame out of another attempted comeback and some people will still blame the Raiders.
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Palmer stinks! Losing is what he does best. New York is better off with Sanchez. At least you’ve stopped deluding yourself and come to the realization that JR will be back in the NFL. Baby steps.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
@288,
We don’t need to counter the Chiefs. The only team we need to be countering is the Broncos.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
“@lizardsanchez: whole Holmgren thing is annoying. I thought we already had a GM. Raiders love drama.” >> Davis really unhappy w/ last year
someone tweeted vic this.. and vic responded in the last sentence.
i agree.. stuff seems “wierd”
February 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Raida nation we working ! Have blessed day everyone ! #WestCoast http://lockerz.com/s/285394055
February 27th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Moe Khan@MoeKhan19
It appears from the compensation given, the #KCChiefs got Carson Palmer”ed” by the #49ers. #AlexSmith
Retweeted by Vic Tafur
February 27th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
From 2005-10, Smith’s per-game QB rating was 76.5. From 2011 until Colin Kaepernick replaced him in the middle of the 2012 season, it was 95.9.
Interceptions per pass attempt fell from .035 to .015. Touchdowns per pass attempt rose from .034 to .045. Yards, completion percentages, just about any tangible number improved dramatically. That includes the most important one: Smith was 20-5-1 as a starter the past two seasons (playoffs included) and just 19-31 before.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Jared Veldheer@Veldheer68
The quest for a championship never stops. Getting the get the most out of this hump day #Getbacktothetop #AFCwest #raidernation
Retweeted by lamarr houston
February 27th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Palmer stinks! Losing is what he does best. New York is better off with Sanchez. At least you’ve stopped deluding yourself and come to the realization that JR will be back in the NFL. Baby steps.
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Not sure where you get the idea that I think JR will be back in the NFL. I just stated that he would flame out of his latest comeback attempt.
I’ll make it easier for you; in my opinion, Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
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well, cmon that’s harsh. He could always comeback as a tackle.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
309.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
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well, cmon that’s harsh. He could always comeback as a tackle.
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If his footwork as a QB is any indication, he couldn’t make it as a tackle either.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
cant really go wrong with warmack even if it isnt the sexy pick.
wiz and vehldeer were not sexy pics, yet they have their positions locked down and only will continue to improve. adding warmack could really help being that we are going back to the PBS.
Wiz warmack and veldheer have the makings of a fantastic line for a decade.
I do like geno, however i think pryor is more than good enough for the job, and palmer with a downgraded wage will be a solid capable tandem to man the ship during 2013’s rebuild.
I also would be fine with taking a dominant pass rusher like jordan, or a tackle like floyd.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
311.
Solid takes all around. I’m on board.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Trade cp3.. i know fitzgerald doesnt want to catch passes from a rookie.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
309.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
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well, cmon that’s harsh. He could always comeback as a tackle.
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If his footwork as a QB is any indication, he couldn’t make it as a tackle either.
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So now you’re an expert on a QB’s footwork??? JR’s footwork only sucked so bad that he got drafted #1 overall Professor QB Mechanics. Hilarious!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
at least as a tackle, JR can let the O-lineman belly hang out over his belt like the other bubbas. Hand in the dirt.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Alex smith in KC?
lmao good
They gave up 2 2nd rounders for him?
Awesome!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
our offense will work just fine without warmack.. but our defense will not work for shìt without at least 1 stud passrusher.
Veldeer and wiz are solid and we didnt have to burn a top 3 pick to get them..
February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Trade cp3.. i know fitzgerald doesnt want to catch passes from a rookie.
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Nope, he wants to catch passes from JaMarcus.
http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000143853/
February 27th, 2013 at 12:36 pm
317.
to that I say the best defense is a good offense.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Larry Fitzgerald’s a pretty talented guy. But I doubt that even his super-awesome athleticism can track sliders in the dirt.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:38 pm
Black Beard.. would you PLEASE STOP picking
on Debos boy friend. all you are going to accomplish is getting her little panties in a twist !!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:40 pm
It will be interesting to see what happens in free agency. Reggie has his work cut out there, maybe even a tougher job than the draft.
With the rookie pay scale, the draft finances sort of take care of themselves. Much more complicated math with FA; gotta figure out who to keep and who to target, keep the cost under control, and even then there are no guarantees that you’ll land the player. At least with the draft you get the guy you select and you know what it’s going to cost you.
Really difficult to predict or recommend anything, draft-wise, until free agency is done. Too many variables.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
our offense will work just fine without warmack.. but our defense will not work for shìt without at least 1 stud passrusher.
Veldeer and wiz are solid and we didnt have to burn a top 3 pick to get them..
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i agree that a pass rusher would be a fine pick as well.
However i do concede that we have a major issue with our guards and rt.
warmack next to wiz would really help dmac do what he does best slamming the middle of the line.
We will need that if the offense will be built on play action and deep passing.
brisel and carlisle are horrible, and were ragged dolled repeatedly last year.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Chiefs gave up a high 2nd-round pick for Matt Cassel.
Chiefs give up two 2nd-round picks for Alex Smith.
Slight upgrade, but not much. Odd trade.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
haha…Reid must be desperate for a QB to give a 2nd and another conditional pick to the Niners for Alex Smith??
Wow!
Shoot, that means the Raiders should be able to to get a 2nd rounder and a 5th for Carson Palmer from Arizona right?
Just as long as he restructures his contract with Arizona.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Alex Smith was the #3 rated QB in the league before he was benched.
Palmer…not so much. Older, not as efficient last year, less trade value.
Palmer is worth more to us than other teams.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
Now. The Queefs will pick LT’s Joekel or Fisher at #1.
Geno may fall to Raiders at #3 and they might receive some trade offers now from Zona, Browns and or Jets who need QB’s.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
lmao at the cheifs
who in the hell made that deal? hue jack and mark davis think the chiefs got fleeced.
if reid doesnt take geno, and it appears he wont it is his all time bone headed move.
Geno is light years better than alex
February 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
326.alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
Alex Smith was the #3 rated QB in the league before he was benched.
Palmer…not so much. Older, not as efficient last year, less trade value.
Palmer is worth more to us than other teams.
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Smith was also on a better team with a legit running game and a DEFENSE.
Smith can’t throw the ball downfield consistently and accurately.
Palmer is a better QB than Smith.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
314.RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
309.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
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well, cmon that’s harsh. He could always comeback as a tackle.
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If his footwork as a QB is any indication, he couldn’t make it as a tackle either.
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So now you’re an expert on a QB’s footwork??? JR’s footwork only sucked so bad that he got drafted #1 overall Professor QB Mechanics. Hilarious!
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No, the NFL people are the experts on footwork. I know you have a rose-colored rearview mirror regarding Russell, but there were constant references to his poor footwork while he was playing. I remember specifically one o-lineman saying after he left that it was really nice to have Campbell back there because a three-step drop would actually BE a three-step drop, a seven would be a seven, and so on. He said that half the time they never knew where Russell was going to set up, and it made it very difficult to pass block for him because of it. And that’s just one example.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
I really don’t even know I have to argue my point. nobody takes a guard it pick 3. If a guard was the best player available he would have played tackle.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
haha…Reid must be desperate for a QB to give a 2nd and another conditional pick to the Niners for Alex Smith??
Wow!
Shoot, that means the Raiders should be able to to get a 2nd rounder and a 5th for Carson Palmer from Arizona right?
Just as long as he restructures his contract with Arizona…
February 27th, 2013 at 12:47 pm
Sorry fellas,
But any move by a division rival to improve themselves needs to be countered,IMO.
Unfortunately Oakland is closer to competing with KC to stay out of the div cellar than challenging Dungver for the title. Like somebody posted, ASmith has played much better the past two years after a rocky start to his career.
Add to that, probably grabbing a stud OT @1, and yeah Oak should be somewhat worried. KC does have some young talent, but were held back by putrid QB play.
As long as Peyton stays healthy, Broncos probably run away with the West. As disgusting as that sounds. UGH.
I do think if the Raiders can add a pass rusher and some infusion of talent and depth @ CB through the draft and FA, coupled with a HEALTHY and contract year MOTIVATED Darren McFadden and some growth from their young WR corps Oakland can defenitely compete w/ the Cincinnati’s of the world for a WC berth. This year. IMO.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
lmao at the cheifs
who in the hell made that deal? hue jack and mark davis think the chiefs got fleeced.
if reid doesnt take geno, and it appears he wont it is his all time bone headed move.
Geno is light years better than alex
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post after post today Mistic, you are on fire!
I’m feeling some good karma….
Are you willing to concede that Carson > Alex too?
If so, aren’t you at least willing to step to the negotiating table before your trade or cut him?
February 27th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
323.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 pm
our offense will work just fine without warmack.. but our defense will not work for shìt without at least 1 stud passrusher.
Veldeer and wiz are solid and we didnt have to burn a top 3 pick to get them..
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i agree that a pass rusher would be a fine pick as well.
However i do concede that we have a major issue with our guards and rt.
warmack next to wiz would really help dmac do what he does best slamming the middle of the line.
We will need that if the offense will be built on play action and deep passing.
brisel and carlisle are horrible, and were ragged dolled repeatedly last year.
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As of right now….McK should pick pass rushing DE/OLB’s Jordan or Ansah IMO. Maaaaybe Werner or Star if he is cleared.
Jordan can really do it all. Rush the passer as a down RDE in 4-3 looks, rush as a stand up in the 3-4, and can cover in 3-4 looks and has great sideline to sideline pursuit and can tackle.
He just needs to add about 10 more pounds of muscle.
I just don’t want to see Floyd be the pick at #3 or any DT really not named Star.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:50 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
I really don’t even know I have to argue my point. nobody takes a guard it pick 3. If a guard was the best player available he would have played tackle.
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its cool M H,
I dont believe in that kind of thought process in this case as we dont have a second round pick. I dont see warmack lasting until the 3rd.
again though i wouldnt be averse to taking a pass rusher either, and agree that a pass rusher could make a bigger impact.
I guess it would come down to which player they have rated higher
February 27th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Freaking Whiners totally robbed the Chiefs , Alex smith is only worth a 4th round pick not a freaking additional 2nd too, LMFAO, n people were complaining when we got Palmer? Palmer is way freaking better than this guy, Palmer would have def taken the Whiners to the superbowl in 11 with that D
February 27th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Cam Newton
13-19 enuff said !!
February 27th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I’m tired of hearing about “growth from our young WR corp”. Enough already! The group as a whole sucks but consider the investment in draft picks. Only DHB was a major investment and he’s been a bust relatively speaking.
Our “young budding WR corp” sucks out loud. Time to refurbish with talent on the open market.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:53 pm
Chiefs D was pretty good with Romeo Crennel, hopefully it takes a step back with him gone, their O should def be better with an O Minded Coach, Alex Smith is not much of an upgrade over M Cassell though
February 27th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
I’m tired of hearing about “growth from our young WR corp”. Enough already! The group as a whole sucks but consider the investment in draft picks. Only DHB was a major investment and he’s been a bust relatively speaking.
Our “young budding WR corp” sucks out loud. Time to refurbish with talent on the open market.
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Exactly man, been hearing that
growth from our young WR corp” 4 years and going.. time to admit our receiving group is the bottom 5 in the NFL, only the Palmer haters like M1stic and Priest n few others say that our receiving group is good, so they can keep bashing Palmer day n night
February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
314.RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
309.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:22 pm
Jamarcus Russell will never play another down in the NFL.
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well, cmon that’s harsh. He could always comeback as a tackle.
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If his footwork as a QB is any indication, he couldn’t make it as a tackle either.
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So now you’re an expert on a QB’s footwork??? JR’s footwork only sucked so bad that he got drafted #1 overall Professor QB Mechanics. Hilarious!
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No, the NFL people are the experts on footwork. I know you have a rose-colored rearview mirror regarding Russell, but there were constant references to his poor footwork while he was playing. I remember specifically one o-lineman saying after he left that it was really nice to have Campbell back there because a three-step drop would actually BE a three-step drop, a seven would be a seven, and so on. He said that half the time they never knew where Russell was going to set up, and it made it very difficult to pass block for him because of it. And that’s just one example.
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Those quotes came from none other than Mario Henderson. A guy making excuses for his piss-poor performance. So he always knew where Campbell would be, huh? Didn’t help him too much in the 2009 opener when he almost got JC killed against the Titans! Didn’t take much longer for Veldheer to kick him to the curb. You don’t know sht about footwork. Save your dime store critiques for someone who cares.
February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
we really need a new te. Think what Carson could do with someone with talent..
February 27th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Why people get mad at Debo , he’s freaking hilarious with his comments like Russell will take over for Brady pretty soon LMFAO
February 27th, 2013 at 12:58 pm
no guest,
alex smith is better than palmer in my opinion at this stage of their careers. i would not have said this 3 years ago.
However smith has shown a knack for managing games the last two seasons and far exceeds palmer in that regard.
Smith certainly isnt a play maker, yet palmer isnt either and has not been here in oakland.
smith and palmer both stink throwing the ball deep
February 27th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Did cork explain his actions for the past month?
I decided to stop thinking about how bad the draft is.
We are about to land the best QB or WR or Pass rusher or cornerback in the nation.
happy thoughts
February 27th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
Palmer > Cassell > Smith
February 27th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Alex Smith is fully guaranteed $7.5 mil salary on April 1. March 14th he gets a cool $1 mil roster bonus.
There are 31 teams in the NFL including the 49ers who think that is an “outta wack” contract. The 49ers if they didn’t have any takers would have cut him before the roster bonus kicked in.
Why were the KC Queefs so stupid to give up even a 7th rounder for him if his contract were so toxic.
I can only dream that there’s at least one other stupider team in the league as KC. We would get a bounty of picks for Carson.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
post 345.
I don’t think even you believe that Alex is better than Carson. deep down you know Alex is whole nuther level of suck.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:02 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
Why people get mad at Debo , he’s freaking hilarious with his comments like Russell will take over for Brady pretty soon LMFAO
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Ya hes def a comedian thats for sure
February 27th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
you dont need a super star receiver to win it all or make the playoffs.
you only need solid guys. we have a solid young group that is capable of being explosive if inconsistent, just look at the 2011 season.
bardy, brees, p mannnig, e manning, RGIII, R Wilson, (jc 2011) all had good offenses without a super star wr.
You need solid qb play
February 27th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
we really need a new te. Think what Carson could do with someone with talent..
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plenty of te’s available in this draft. and we don’t even have to reach. when the bar is brandon myers…well lets just say it’s a pretty low bar.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
Guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
post 345.
I don’t think even you believe that Alex is better than Carson. deep down you know Alex is whole nuther level of suck.
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Put Carson on that 49er team and they don’t miss a beat
February 27th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
337.mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Freaking Whiners totally robbed the Chiefs , Alex smith is only worth a 4th round pick not a freaking additional 2nd too, LMFAO, n people were complaining when we got Palmer? Palmer is way freaking better than this guy, Palmer would have def taken the Whiners to the superbowl in 11 with that D
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Agreed!
That’s why if McK wants to trade Palmer for picks…he should be able to get a 2nd in this years draft and maybe a 5th or a 3rd in next years draft for Palmer.
Zona needs a QB just as bad as KC does. Fitz is being wasted in Zona right now.
Just as long as Palmer restructures down his deal to be with Cards.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Id like to trade cp to the cards and pick 3 to sf for 6-7 picks..
February 27th, 2013 at 1:06 pm
We don’t have solid guys. we are bottom tier wr group. always young and developing. an exciting group. high ceiling. all a load of crap.
very unsolid.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
343.Marks hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
we really need a new te. Think what Carson could do with someone with talent..
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I like Jordan Reed from Florida. He has compact, quicker than fast, good hands, can run routes and has moves at 6′3, 235.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:09 pm
Sure give me Jordan Reed. Or any other TE’s who have more than a 6 inch vertical leap and can produce more than 0.5 yards after the catch.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
I really hope we don’t end up over paying to keep Meyers.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
we really need a new te. Think what Carson could do with someone with talent..
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Good throw, Good throw, Terrible decision, Good throw, bad throw, Squint Down Field, Good Throw, Fumble, Good Throw, Short of First on 3rd and 4, Good Throw, Bad Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Pick Six, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Bad Throw, Loss.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:15 pm
Yeah, the media is way off on Meyers. He is just a guy. No way is he our “top FA”.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
not the biggest palmer fan, although as long as he is the starter for the raiders i will support him. that being said, palmer is better than alex smith. smith was a product of his system with harbaugh, whenever they struggled to run the ball and it was in a. smith’s hands they lost. pretty much every time. i can’t remember one game, and i watch a lot of niners games because they are always on n i’ll watch football no matter what, i can’t remember one time where the niners were losing by double digits in the second half that he got them a victory. I’m sure he has done it before, but in seven seasons, i can’t remember. Those “comeback wins” were mstly with the niners winning or within a td and him being able to pull off a drive at the end of the game, which does deserve applause but even jamarcus did that a few times with us. fortunately for him he had the best run blocking o line in the nfl and a beast rb. o yea and a defense that only allowed like 13 pts a game. if our defense did that we would have won a lot more games also, no matter who the qb was. Put smith in the same situation that cassell and quinn were in last yr and u’ll most likely see the same results, that team is more than just an avg. game managing qb away from being a playoff team. i’m not a smith fan at all, never have been.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
360.rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
we really need a new te. Think what Carson could do with someone with talent..
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Good throw, Good throw, Terrible decision, Good throw, bad throw, Squint Down Field, Good Throw, Fumble, Good Throw, Short of First on 3rd and 4, Good Throw, Bad Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Pick Six, Good Throw, Good Throw, Good Throw, Bad Throw, Loss.
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^ hahahahahaha
February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
I want a TE that can actually holdhis block without actually holding the defensive player…
February 27th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
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February 27th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
354.DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
337.mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Freaking Whiners totally robbed the Chiefs , Alex smith is only worth a 4th round pick not a freaking additional 2nd too, LMFAO, n people were complaining when we got Palmer? Palmer is way freaking better than this guy, Palmer would have def taken the Whiners to the superbowl in 11 with that D
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Agreed!
That’s why if McK wants to trade Palmer for picks…he should be able to get a 2nd in this years draft and maybe a 5th or a 3rd in next years draft for Palmer.
Zona needs a QB just as bad as KC does. Fitz is being wasted in Zona right now.
Just as long as Palmer restructures down his deal to be with Cards.
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i think what’s holding up a palmer deal are his age and his contract. the contract can be worked out, not age though. it waould have to be to a team that is ONLY a solid qb away from being a contender. cards need more than just a qb i think. The team would have to think they can actually challenge for a super bowl in the next 2 yrs
February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
204.guest123 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 10:47 am
Some QB starved team is gonna jump on Geno. Maybe the Cardinals or Bills. Maybe even the Browns. He’s still gonna be a first round QB. Someone will take a chance on the hype. But it won’t be us.
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Hype on Geno? What hype?
If anything Geno may fly under the radar, cause people are doubting him just because he isn’t Luck and RG3.
Geno…IMO…can be just as good as Russ Wilson and Kap.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
not the biggest palmer fan, although as long as he is the starter for the raiders i will support him. that being said, palmer is better than alex smith. smith was a product of his system with harbaugh, whenever they struggled to run the ball and it was in a. smith’s hands they lost. pretty much every time. i can’t remember one game, and i watch a lot of niners games because they are always on n i’ll watch football no matter what, i can’t remember one time where the niners were losing by double digits in the second half that he got them a victory. I’m sure he has done it before, but in seven seasons, i can’t remember. Those “comeback wins” were mstly with the niners winning or within a td and him being able to pull off a drive at the end of the game, which does deserve applause but even jamarcus did that a few times with us. fortunately for him he had the best run blocking o line in the nfl and a beast rb. o yea and a defense that only allowed like 13 pts a game. if our defense did that we would have won a lot more games also, no matter who the qb was. Put smith in the same situation that cassell and quinn were in last yr and u’ll most likely see the same results, that team is more than just an avg. game managing qb away from being a playoff team. i’m not a smith fan at all, never have been.
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Very true when there were behind he was never able to bring them back
February 27th, 2013 at 1:24 pm
they*
February 27th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
why didnt the cheifs want carson?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
364.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
I want a TE that can actually holdhis block without actually holding the defensive player…
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Thats what Richard Gordon is for right?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
370.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
why didnt the cheifs want carson?
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No inner division trade to a rival and Reid was more comfortable with Smith.
Supposedly Reid wanted Smith last year.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:27 pm
371.DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
364.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:19 pm
I want a TE that can actually holdhis block without actually holding the defensive player…
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Thats what Richard Gordon is for right?
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i don’t know, didn’t get to see him play enough. could be but i can’t say yes or no on that. i know the word was he was a great blocker, didn’t see him playing a lot though
February 27th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
370.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
why didnt the cheifs want carson?
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because the past two years carson played horrible against the chiefs in all 4 games.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Never understood why we left Chris Clemons and Zach Miller walk a couple years back.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
375.RaiderZeus Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Never understood why we left Chris Clemons and Zach Miller walk a couple years back.
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money mostly..
February 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
Agreed!
That’s why if McK wants to trade Palmer for picks…he should be able to get a 2nd in this years draft and maybe a 5th or a 3rd in next years draft for Palmer.
Zona needs a QB just as bad as KC does. Fitz is being wasted in Zona right now.
Just as long as Palmer restructures down his deal to be with Cards.
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i like this idea a lot! hope it happens right around draft time .. so teams don’t have enough time to try to jump into #2 for Geno.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Nope, he wants to catch passes from JaMarcus.
http://m.nfl.com/news/0ap1000000143853/
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Fitzgerald is desperate at this point. Who can blame him
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
not the biggest palmer fan, although as long as he is the starter for the raiders i will support him. that being said, palmer is better than alex smith. smith was a product of his system with harbaugh, whenever they struggled to run the ball and it was in a. smith’s hands they lost. pretty much every time. i can’t remember one game, and i watch a lot of niners games because they are always on n i’ll watch football no matter what, i can’t remember one time where the niners were losing by double digits in the second half that he got them a victory. I’m sure he has done it before, but in seven seasons, i can’t remember. Those “comeback wins” were mstly with the niners winning or within a td and him being able to pull off a drive at the end of the game, which does deserve applause but even jamarcus did that a few times with us. fortunately for him he had the best run blocking o line in the nfl and a beast rb. o yea and a defense that only allowed like 13 pts a game. if our defense did that we would have won a lot more games also, no matter who the qb was. Put smith in the same situation that cassell and quinn were in last yr and u’ll most likely see the same results, that team is more than just an avg. game managing qb away from being a playoff team. i’m not a smith fan at all, never have been.
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Very true when there were behind he was never able to bring them back
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except in the playoffs last year against the saints
there was the Eagirls game to that season
they were horrible defenses, but Smith lead them down to scoring winning TD’s still. i’ll give him credit for those
overall he’s subpar … love this deal.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
Those quotes came from none other than Mario Henderson. A guy making excuses for his piss-poor performance. So he always knew where Campbell would be, huh? Didn’t help him too much in the 2009 opener when he almost got JC killed against the Titans! Didn’t take much longer for Veldheer to kick him to the curb. You don’t know sht about footwork. Save your dime store critiques for someone who cares.
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Again, I’m not saying I’m an expert on footwork. I’m merely repeating what the general consensus was about that part of his game. You seem to be a little slow though, so I’ll repeat that.
There were many references to Russell’s poor footwork while he was here. It directly contributed to the ground balls he threw on a more-than-occasional basis. I mentioned one guy that said it; Jamarcus took a lot of sacks while he was here, and it wasn’t just Mario Henderson that gave them up.
But, you’re right. I’m wasting my time pointing these things out to you. You don’t care. You have this vision of Russell as a victim, and that won’t change.
Never mind.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RaiderZeus Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Never understood why we left Chris Clemons and Zach Miller walk a couple years back.
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miller didn’t deserve the $ he got considering his injury history, we got boss at half the price which made alot of sense at the time, clemons if i’m not mistaken had one good year which was his contract year, too bad al didn’t see his value
February 27th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
376.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:30 pm
375.RaiderZeus Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Never understood why we left Chris Clemons and Zach Miller walk a couple years back.
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money mostly..
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to go further into it. I didn’t have a problem with al ddavis, man was a str8 nfl legend. however, a lot of talk on how al always got the guy he wanted, this is true, but al rarely got (or kept) the guy we (the raiders) needed.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
Kipers big board on espn was pretty good. He didnt have Bjorn Werner on it.
Sharrif Floyd was his number 2 guy.
had Eric fisher above Luke Joeckel
February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
Relevant time to note that the #Browns reportedly love Geno Smith, but didn’t expect him to be available.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Matt MillerVerified account@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
379.xraided Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
not the biggest palmer fan, although as long as he is the starter for the raiders i will support him. that being said, palmer is better than alex smith. smith was a product of his system with harbaugh, whenever they struggled to run the ball and it was in a. smith’s hands they lost. pretty much every time. i can’t remember one game, and i watch a lot of niners games because they are always on n i’ll watch football no matter what, i can’t remember one time where the niners were losing by double digits in the second half that he got them a victory. I’m sure he has done it before, but in seven seasons, i can’t remember. Those “comeback wins” were mstly with the niners winning or within a td and him being able to pull off a drive at the end of the game, which does deserve applause but even jamarcus did that a few times with us. fortunately for him he had the best run blocking o line in the nfl and a beast rb. o yea and a defense that only allowed like 13 pts a game. if our defense did that we would have won a lot more games also, no matter who the qb was. Put smith in the same situation that cassell and quinn were in last yr and u’ll most likely see the same results, that team is more than just an avg. game managing qb away from being a playoff team. i’m not a smith fan at all, never have been.
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Very true when there were behind he was never able to bring them back
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except in the playoffs last year against the saints
there was the Eagirls game to that season
they were horrible defenses, but Smith lead them down to scoring winning TD’s still. i’ll give him credit for those
overall he’s subpar … love this deal.
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niners were winning the majjority of the game against the saints, they were 20-0 in the first i believe. so that doesn’t really count as to what i am saying, i did give him credit for some last drive comebacks. I’m talking about the other team knows ur gonna throw, u need multiple scores to get it done, ur run game isn’t a fact. didn’t see that from smith.
eagles game is a decent example though. one game in 7 years as a qb though?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
If Raiders dont get Geno.. I think they should look into Matt Scott in 3rd or 4th round. Qb out of Arizona
February 27th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
guest123 Says:
post after post today Mistic, you are on fire!
I’m feeling some good karma….
Are you willing to concede that Carson > Alex too?
If so, aren’t you at least willing to step to the negotiating table before your trade or cut him?
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Guest, are you on drugs?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Matt MillerVerified account@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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I hope all that is is the Jags whispering so they can trade out of the 2 spot.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
of course we’re gonna say we love every potential top pick so people who love them more will trade for us, i’m guessing reggie mck is alot smarter than he sounds
February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Bobby April + HoneyBadger??
Game-changer on special teams.
If we have to ship off one of our loser players and/or a later pick to move up in the 2nd round to get him, so be it.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Ya reggie so smart he sent scouts to 8 west Virginia games this year.. and he attented two of them
February 27th, 2013 at 1:44 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
RaiderZeus Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:29 pm
Never understood why we left Chris Clemons and Zach Miller walk a couple years back.
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miller didn’t deserve the $ he got considering his injury history, we got boss at half the price which made alot of sense at the time, clemons if i’m not mistaken had one good year which was his contract year, too bad al didn’t see his value
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True. I’d just like a better blocker at TE if we’re going to power running. We could do a lot worse at TE now that I look at our options.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Matt MillerVerified account@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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I have a bad feeling about Geno Smith. Will root for him if the raiders get him, but the defense needs attention in a bad way.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
stars heart, dions shoulder, jones neck, moores poor combine showing…gonna be some talented players dropping, hopefully we can trade back
February 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
392.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
Ya reggie so smart he sent scouts to 8 west Virginia games this year.. and he attented two of them
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tavon austin? haha i would send scouts to games too after his stat line against baylor. he threw like 8 tds and 6 incompletions all game hahaha. he struggled when the comp stiffened though. lost 5 str8. no bueno. who knows if he’ll be good or not at the next level. I don’t doubt we will look at him. looking at him and drafting him are different things. we’ll see time will tell.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
if the raiders want geno why restructure palmer?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
395.inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
stars heart, dions shoulder, jones neck, moores poor combine showing…gonna be some talented players dropping, hopefully we can trade back
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i don’t think dion jordan will fall past eagles. chip kelly loves him.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
397.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
if the raiders want geno why restructure palmer?
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good question
February 27th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
397.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
if the raiders want geno why restructure palmer?
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good question
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makes him more tradeable or free’s up cap space if we’re keeping him
February 27th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
RaiderZeus Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
Matt MillerVerified account@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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I have a bad feeling about Geno Smith. Will root for him if the raiders get him, but the defense needs attention in a bad way.
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I think he will be just good enough to stick around longer than he should. See Sanchez, Mark.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Ugh, I wouldn’t pick Geno with our 2nd if we had it still.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
niners were winning the majjority of the game against the saints, they were 20-0 in the first i believe. so that doesn’t really count as to what i am saying, i did give him credit for some last drive comebacks. I’m talking about the other team knows ur gonna throw, u need multiple scores to get it done, ur run game isn’t a fact. didn’t see that from smith.
eagles game is a decent example though. one game in 7 years as a qb though?
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no i know haha! trust me no arguement here. he’s a bi-product of the harbaugh system he was in. anyone would look good with that cast on both sides of the ball and that coaching on the side lines.
i was just thinking about those drives when it counted, and im sure that’s what KC is pointing to as well. what else could they like about a QB that’s only hit 300 yards a one handed count amount of times? haha
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Maybe the Reggie’s just bluffing with Geno, hoping someone will trade to the 1 or 2 spot to take him, and give us another option at 3?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Sounds like TP is on the trading block. Reggie will keep CP to groom GS for the next year or two.
More smart long term moves
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
good point Mistic
if they restructure, that means he’s here to stay.
it would have to be a deal where the deal involved in a trade would have his deal worked out before hand i guess. no team will take on that contract as it stands.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Ugh, I wouldn’t pick Geno with our 2nd if we had it still.
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what don’t you like about him?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
Firebaby I only saw a little chat but cork is big on April. Huge ST improvement
February 27th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
wow just read that back to myself. im at work so i can’t talk right now
February 27th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Yes, the Semi-Pro blog front office is ready as well.
B@uce, Rockstar, RaiderMan99, Thec, myself and even crazy Ol’ Priest.
Just waiting on Jhill to smooth out the trade compensation and BcZ on the cap issues.
Problem solved.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Geno said RAIDERS were the 1st team he met with too haha
February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Sounds like TP is on the trading block. Reggie will keep CP to groom GS for the next year or two.
More smart long term moves
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interesting thought
February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
403.xraided Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
niners were winning the majjority of the game against the saints, they were 20-0 in the first i believe. so that doesn’t really count as to what i am saying, i did give him credit for some last drive comebacks. I’m talking about the other team knows ur gonna throw, u need multiple scores to get it done, ur run game isn’t a fact. didn’t see that from smith.
eagles game is a decent example though. one game in 7 years as a qb though?
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no i know haha! trust me no arguement here. he’s a bi-product of the harbaugh system he was in. anyone would look good with that cast on both sides of the ball and that coaching on the side lines.
i was just thinking about those drives when it counted, and im sure that’s what KC is pointing to as well. what else could they like about a QB that’s only hit 300 yards a one handed count amount of times? haha
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yea he looked good the last two years, i think that is what the chies are hoping that he will be as good as he looked with the niners.
I know right. i think his first 300 yds passing game was this year, maybe end of last yr. how many years u been in the league? c’mon man. hahaha
February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Why would Pryor be on the trading block if he is making League min?? and Carson would get a better draft pick?? anyone read monte pooles article 2day?
February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Playing his bowl game his Senior year in wind and snow, with no pass protection or defense, only helps build character for this kid.
Most QB’s get to play in dome’s and lights or Warm Weather their bowl game.
Smith comes with some chops.
February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
More to the point, this is evidence that the 35-year-old San Mateo native places the highest priority on winning. In taking less than market value, Brady is doing what a leader should, giving his bosses the opportunity to improve the team around him.
The Raiders are asking Palmer, 33, to make a similar gesture. They expect him to comply. They need him to. And he should.
With Palmer due this season to make $13 million (a reported $15.3 million cap hit), restructuring his deal is one of the keys to Oakland’s ability to make offseason moves. The team wants Palmer to return, but also declares
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the goal is to have competition at every position — including quarterback.
When I recently asked coach Dennis Allen if there were any scenario in which the team might enter 2013 without Palmer, he paused for several seconds before responding.
“I’ll answer it like this: I want Carson to be a part of this football team,” he said. “In my mind, in my vision, I go into the year and in our first OTAs, Carson runs out there with the (first team).
“But I’ve said this and I’ll continue to say it — and it isn’t a knock on Carson at all — I want to create competition. And I want to create competition at all levels of our team, because that’s the only way you get better.”
Allen tapped the table for emphasis. His message on this topic echoed that delivered a few days earlier by new offensive coordinator Greg Olson. Both say they plan to work closely with backup quarterback Terrelle Pryor in an attempt to realize his full potential. ”
there is more Monte Poole
February 27th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
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Is that Eric Thomas? Lol
February 27th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Why would Pryor be on the trading block if he is making League min?? and Carson would get a better draft pick?? anyone read monte pooles article 2day?
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if geno is reggies guy he should trade pryor, low cost him more attractive, in which case he should also trade cp
February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Geno:
- Competition. Big 12 isn’t the SEC, but it’s legit. Played vs Kansas State, Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.
- Studious gym rat. Coaches praise his film study and -leadership.
- Accurate. SIX games OVER 70% accuracy. His receivers were 5′10″ and under. Yet he still put up monster numbers throwing plenty of deep bombs.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Or just a position change for Pryor, i don’t know why so many hate him to the point they want him off the team completely.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Playing his bowl game his Senior year in wind and snow, with no pass protection or defense, only helps build character for this kid.
Most QB’s get to play in dome’s and lights or Warm Weather their bowl game.
Smith comes with some chops.
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^^^^ true story
he will excel as our QB for the next decade running any style of offense that we input(hopefuly Olsen’s here to stay)
just a matter of who wants Carson. if someone were to take on that contract, they won’t be giving up high draft picks. i’ll take a 4th rounder at this point if it means unloading most/all of his salary.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Rodger the moron wants a team in London, NOW.
No players will want to play there and live there most the year. Other teams will HATE going there.
They Should keep development leagues over there like they use to.
Mexico City and Canada would be better fits if they want to expand
February 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:39 pm
379.xraided Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:34 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
not the biggest palmer fan, although as long as he is the starter for the raiders i will support him. that being said, palmer is better than alex smith. smith was a product of his system with harbaugh, whenever they struggled to run the ball and it was in a. smith’s hands they lost. pretty much every time. i can’t remember one game, and i watch a lot of niners games because they are always on n i’ll watch football no matter what, i can’t remember one time where the niners were losing by double digits in the second half that he got them a victory. I’m sure he has done it before, but in seven seasons, i can’t remember. Those “comeback wins” were mstly with the niners winning or within a td and him being able to pull off a drive at the end of the game, which does deserve applause but even jamarcus did that a few times with us. fortunately for him he had the best run blocking o line in the nfl and a beast rb. o yea and a defense that only allowed like 13 pts a game. if our defense did that we would have won a lot more games also, no matter who the qb was. Put smith in the same situation that cassell and quinn were in last yr and u’ll most likely see the same results, that team is more than just an avg. game managing qb away from being a playoff team. i’m not a smith fan at all, never have been.
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Very true when there were behind he was never able to bring them back
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except in the playoffs last year against the saints
there was the Eagirls game to that season
they were horrible defenses, but Smith lead them down to scoring winning TD’s still. i’ll give him credit for those
overall he’s subpar … love this deal.
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niners were winning the majjority of the game against the saints, they were 20-0 in the first i believe. so that doesn’t really count as to what i am saying, i did give him credit for some last drive comebacks. I’m talking about the other team knows ur gonna throw, u need multiple scores to get it done, ur run game isn’t a fact. didn’t see that from smith.
eagles game is a decent example though. one game in 7 years as a qb though?
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Not! Ronnie Brown won that game for the Niners, not Alex Smith.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:05 pm
Is that Eric Thomas? Lol
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some Top qb coach
February 27th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
xraided Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Playing his bowl game his Senior year in wind and snow, with no pass protection or defense, only helps build character for this kid.
Most QB’s get to play in dome’s and lights or Warm Weather their bowl game.
Smith comes with some chops.
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^^^^ true story
he will excel as our QB for the next decade running any style of offense that we input(hopefuly Olsen’s here to stay)
just a matter of who wants Carson. if someone were to take on that contract, they won’t be giving up high draft picks. i’ll take a 4th rounder at this point if it means unloading most/all of his salary.
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There isn’t a team in the league that would give us a 6th for Carson Palmer.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
Geno’s WORST game was 54%.
Remember Pryor had FIVE games at or UNDER 50%.
In Geno’s “shaky” bowl game, he connected on 68% of his throws, 200 yards, 2 TDs, 0 INTs.
Season: 71%, 4,200 yards, 42 TDs, 6 Ints, 150 rush yards
and played well vs ranked teams. And he’s 6′2″ 220 lbs.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
raider fiend 12:03 PM
What is the fantasy with Geno Smith? We need way more help at other positions
by scorkran 12:03 PM
Everyone wants the next Kaepernick or RGIII.
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this is ridiculous
geno has a completely different game than kapp AND GRIFFIN.
GENO runs fast, but that isnt his game. he is a qb that makes pre snap reads audibles quick decisions and gets the ball out fast.
he is a guy that fits the tom brady peyton manning mold calling his own offense spraying the ball to small quick receivers. Run & shoot or air raid spread, and only runs as a last resort, doesnt run to score tds, like kapp and griffin.
Griffin and kap are play action qbs, throwing deep and willing to run to score.
Comparing these 3 players shows you much about corks attitude about “certain types’ of qbs.
Clealry he doesnt know much about geno, and thinks that because they have similar traits in appearance they must have the same game.
ugly indeed, and i am offended
February 27th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Why all the hate on Brandon Myers??
he caught the most passes of any TE in the AFC (79). 4th in the NFL behind Witten, Gonzalez & Graham
He finished 6th in the NFL in receiving yards, behind those 3 guys plus Greg Olsen & Heath Miller
his yards per catch (10.2) was higher than guys like Jason Witten, Tony Gonzalez, Brandon Pettigrew, Kyle Rudolph & Aaron Hernanez
Only 4 TD’s for Myers though because Knapp & Palmer were allergic to the endzone!!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Geno:
- Competition. Big 12 isn’t the SEC, but it’s legit. Played vs Kansas State, Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.
- Studious gym rat. Coaches praise his film study and -leadership.
- Accurate. SIX games OVER 70% accuracy. His receivers were 5′10″ and under. Yet he still put up monster numbers throwing plenty of deep bombs.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
No need to Force a QB pick this year, Reggie’s planning to be in this position next year anyways.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Sounds like TP is on the trading block. Reggie will keep CP to groom GS for the next year or two.
More smart long term moves
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interesting thought
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Reg says he is modeling us after teams like GB and SF.
At GB they sat Rodgers for two year while he learned under a older QB. That’s the way it use to be done. Teams did not throw top draft pick QBs out there.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
I am just guessing. I don’t have a clue, actually.
They may trade CP and let TP and GS battle or they may not draft GS.
Its all speculation
February 27th, 2013 at 2:11 pm
Asher Mathews@AsherMathews
In the last 5 playoffs 78% of teams were led by QBs that were taken in the first 40 picks of their draft. But Brady really skews that, stil
February 27th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Asher Mathews@AsherMathews
Reportedly former Wisconsin Badger Mike Taylor met with the #Raiders at the Combine. He projects to weakside or inside LB in NFL
February 27th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
just a matter of who wants Carson. if someone were to take on that contract, they won’t be giving up high draft picks. i’ll take a 4th rounder at this point if it means unloading most/all of his salary.
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Co-sign
February 27th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Asher Mathews@AsherMathews
I’ve now looked at all 5 DEs and the 3 DTs that are vying for the top spot. I like Mingo at DE the best and Star at DT, pending med check.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
just a matter of who wants Carson. if someone were to take on that contract, they won’t be giving up high draft picks. i’ll take a 4th rounder at this point if it means unloading most/all of his salary.
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Co-sign
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Agreed!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
To be honest, outside of height, Matt Ryan after his senior season had zero traits that would rank clearly ahead of Geno Smith.
ACC competition, solid stats, smart guy, 60% completions senior year, solid arm, leadership…
but threw 19 picks to Geno’s 6. Ryan also lost 3 of his last 5 games.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:14 pm
alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
Geno:
- Competition. Big 12 isn’t the SEC, but it’s legit. Played vs Kansas State, Texas, Texas A&M, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.
- Studious gym rat. Coaches praise his film study and -leadership.
- Accurate. SIX games OVER 70% accuracy. His receivers were 5′10″ and under. Yet he still put up monster numbers throwing plenty of deep bombs.
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although i’d take others over geno i like him, but let’s remember his receivers were studs and made him look good at times, as any good receiver does
February 27th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
From todays chat.
CORK on if he would Cut Palmer
“Yes, I would, but more so because Palmer likely will be too old and beat up by the time the Raiders are serious contenders for the Super Bowl. Time is now for the Raiders to get the QB situation locked up long-term.”
February 27th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
If the Raiders could get a 2nd rounder for Pick 6 Palmer they would do it in a heart beat.
Lucky to get a 5th for Pick 6 Palmer.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
I pretty much knew what Al would do. I have no idea what Reggie would do. We don’t know him yet.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@Mistic
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Mystic
we agree. Geno is a big man. hopefully gonna grow a little yet. He is a pocket passer with skills to run if he has to.
Many QB’s run too much for me. If Reggie and scouts think GS has top ten potential they should take him.
and I am behind that 100%. Crazy not to be
February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
CORK on Palmer.. Wow talk about changing his tune on the guy
“At the tail end of his prime, if not past, turns 34 this season, takes too many chances, lacks clear-cut No. 1 receiver, not good enough right now to carry the Raiders.”
February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
if geno is reggies guy he should trade pryor, low cost him more attractive, in which case he should also trade cp
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Agreed!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Cork is retarded.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Well if Geno becomes a Raider then that means we gotta deal Palmer and Pryor.
Pryor to the Eagles and I think the Jets or Cards could be dumb enough to give us somethin good for Palmer. Either way, one of em is gonna waste time on a USC QB.
And if Alex Smith is worth the 34th pick plus some..
February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
447.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Cork is retarded.
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Exactly
February 27th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Wow, i actually sort of agreed with Mioptica1.
Post 427. Took your lucid pills today?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
CORK on Palmer.. Wow talk about changing his tune on the guy
“At the tail end of his prime, if not past, turns 34 this season, takes too many chances, lacks clear-cut No. 1 receiver, not good enough right now to carry the Raiders.”
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People should be willing to change when circumstances change. Only an idiot wouldn’t.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Trade Pryor to Dallas, if we can get Geno. They seem like a good trade partner there.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
People should be willing to change when circumstances change. Only an idiot wouldn’t.
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Yep.. and Im sure he has been talking to front office ppl off the record. Palmer could be moved by june
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
I’ve now looked at all 5 DEs and the 3 DTs that are vying for the top spot. I like Mingo at DE the best and Star at DT, pending med check.
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Agreed.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@Mistic
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping
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excellent question
February 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
I have no problem in theory with taking Geno Smith. I have a problem with paying all these guys (QBs) then only being able to field a team of practice squad dudes….
February 27th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
I’ve now looked at all 5 DEs and the 3 DTs that are vying for the top spot. I like Mingo at DE the best and Star at DT, pending med check.
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Agreed.
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don’t know what you guys see in mingo besides freakish athleticism. could be jpp, could also be vernon gholston
February 27th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Corky still thinks Jennifer Aniston is a hottie.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I don’t want to trade Pryor until we actually see if we can play or not. If footwork is his issue, that can be corrected. LOVE prety much everythng else he brings to he table. Not married to the guy, but at least he deserves a real shot as Al Davis’ last draft pick, imo.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
People should be willing to change when circumstances change. Only an idiot wouldn’t.
Wow, lucidity from Kook too…
February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping
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excellent question
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Running a 4.59 would say yes.. but Geno saying he only likes to Run if he has too makes me thing Nah.. he is a pocket passer
February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
The more I dwell on it the more I believe that IF GS is a Raider, CP would likely groom him as recently done in SF and GB
February 27th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
I am also offended at Corky’s lack of knowledge.
FIRE CORKY NOW.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
Trade down, then trade down, then trade down again….
February 27th, 2013 at 2:25 pm
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Yo, pretty sure my brah Cork was talking about my upcoming hip hop album Wrecks N Effect during the entire chat
Fun to speculate which single will go #1, shout out to Billy Ocean
Yo, spent most of the morning giving this Korean babe an extended Funky Munkey
Now I gots to splash on a little Drakkar Noir and ride my skateboard down to Venice Beach to score a little reefer.
This heavy set teenager sells the kind in the parking lot of James Beach. Usually tip the youth a carton of chocolate milk.
Aight, let’s get this blog party crack-a-lacking, gonna start with a fresh measurement of the Lawg, hit y’all back soon with the good news
LET DAH BOYZ B BOYZ
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:24 pm
I don’t want to trade Pryor until we actually see if we can play or not. If footwork is his issue, that can be corrected. LOVE prety much everythng else he brings to he table. Not married to the guy, but at least he deserves a real shot as Al Davis’ last draft pick, imo.
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i badly want him to succeed as a raider being als last pick of course, that’s probably not the best way to make business decisions
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
February 27th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
teo is being compared to the HB in terms of which player you would rather have.
No doubt for me. I would take the HB over the social networking genius
February 27th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
So what i didn’t to ask the Corkinator is how exactly does a NFL players take a pay cut?
They tear up the contract?
Or are we talking about another “restructure” that merely postpones the inevitable further down the road?
I am kinda tired of the latter…
February 27th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
don’t know what you guys see in mingo besides freakish athleticism.
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That’s is all I see. Jumped off the screen to me in the bowl game I watched him play in. And we ended the season playing 3-4 where I think he’d be a beast OLB.
He lined up a lot at RDE, so he could easily play 4-3 RDE too. WE need that speed and athleticism getting after the QB.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
Pastor Napoleon@napoleonkaufman
Dee Milliner at #3…..Hmm! #RaiderNation
he knows something. word is spreading . probaly just got a text
February 27th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
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what don’t you like about geno? any red flags?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
465,
Beeech, Crank up that Billy Ocean…”Loverboy” is a good one.
Played that song all the time when I was doing Retro Night at a club a few yr’s back.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
That’s is all I see. Jumped off the screen to me in the bowl game I watched him play in. And we ended the season playing 3-4 where I think he’d be a beast OLB.
He lined up a lot at RDE, so he could easily play 4-3 RDE too. WE need that speed and athleticism getting after the QB.
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i heard on Sirius radio scout comparing him to Von MIller.. could have a miller like impact if on the right team/ coaching
February 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
that’s probably not the best way to make business decisions
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Guilty as charged.
But I’m an admitted Al Davis fan, so I’m sorry man, I just feel he deserves a chance to actually fail before we kick him to the curb. 4 games is really all it would take for me. Too bad he didn’t get 3 or 4 games to finish last year, and we could all be satisfied 1 way or the other.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
So where do we get our NT?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
I wouldn’t take Teo until the fourth.
Not because he is gay, because he is S l O W .
February 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
i heard on Sirius radio scout comparing him to Von MIller..
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I saw some of the same things.
Imagine if we could draft him AND sign Anthony Spencer.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
You rarely have to worry about WRs making catches when Alex Smith is starting against you.
Captain Checkdown Supreme! Makes Jason Campbell look like the mad bomber.
The only time Alex Smith is any good is when he has an out of this world D and a good running game.
No worries.
Well, he can still probably school a Raiders/Tarver D.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
475.J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
that’s probably not the best way to make business decisions
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Guilty as charged.
But I’m an admitted Al Davis fan, so I’m sorry man, I just feel he deserves a chance to actually fail before we kick him to the curb. 4 games is really all it would take for me. Too bad he didn’t get 3 or 4 games to finish last year, and we could all be satisfied 1 way or the other.
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Yeah, that would be a really kick in the sack…cutting Pryor, the last A.D. draft pick and he goes onto another team and excels at the QB position…
February 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
472,
I love his highlights..he looks great, it’s just what i’m hearing from alot of the analysts that no qb in this draft is worth going that high.
I admit I haven’t seen much WVU football in the past year so I am not able to form my own unbiased opinion on him.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Dee Milliner at #3…..Hmm! #RaiderNation
he knows something. word is spreading . probaly just got a text
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Probably a poker game to get Detroit to move up. Taiwan, Adams, and Chekwa are enough youth at that position. Need a vet corner to add to that mix.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
SBreport@SBreport
Eagles have reportedly asked Nnamdi Asomugha to take a “drastic” pay cut.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
So where do we get our NT?
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B had a pretty good list of some FAs.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Probably a poker game to get Detroit to move up. Taiwan, Adams, and Chekwa are enough youth at that position. Need a vet corner to add to that mix.
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Could be. However those names u just mentioned need nothing IMO. Raiders need 1-3rd round type talent at the CB spot. No more waiver wire pickups or late round draft picks at CORNER.. we need 1st or 2nd round type talent at CB
February 27th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
384.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:36 pm
Matt Miller@nfldraftscout
Relevant time to note that the #Browns reportedly love Geno Smith, but didn’t expect him to be available.
385.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Matt MillerVerified account@nfldraftscout
#Raiders: Rumor mill is working through the league that Oakland scouts love Geno Smith. Front office is ready for a new QB.
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Yep!
Geno is being undervalued a bit right now. He has the same skill sets as Russ Wilson and Kap, but is more of a pocket passer than a read option guy.
Geno’s mechanics are better than Kaps also!
Geno is not stiff in pocket either and is mobile and accurate.
If Geno slips to #3, than Raiders will actually be in a good position, because the Zona, Browns, Bills or Jets may fall in love with him and want to trade up to get him!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
That’s is all I see. Jumped off the screen to me in the bowl game I watched him play in. And we ended the season playing 3-4 where I think he’d be a beast OLB.
He lined up a lot at RDE, so he could easily play 4-3 RDE too. WE need that speed and athleticism getting after the QB.
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i heard on Sirius radio scout comparing him to Von MIller.. could have a miller like impact if on the right team/ coaching
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gigantic gamble at 3, but they’re all a gamble right
February 27th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
483.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
SBreport@SBreport
Eagles have reportedly asked Nnamdi Asomugha to take a “drastic” pay cut.
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Pretty awesome if he says no, they cut him and he comes back to Raiders…Stan Routt situation. Wishful thinking.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
raider fiend 12:03 PM
What is the fantasy with Geno Smith? We need way more help at other positions
by scorkran 12:03 PM
Everyone wants the next Kaepernick or RGIII.
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this is ridiculous
geno has a completely different game than kapp AND GRIFFIN.
GENO runs fast, but that isnt his game. he is a qb that makes pre snap reads audibles quick decisions and gets the ball out fast.
he is a guy that fits the tom brady peyton manning mold calling his own offense spraying the ball to small quick receivers. Run & shoot or air raid spread, and only runs as a last resort, doesnt run to score tds, like kapp and griffin.
Griffin and kap are play action qbs, throwing deep and willing to run to score.
Comparing these 3 players shows you much about corks attitude about “certain types’ of qbs.
Clealry he doesnt know much about geno, and thinks that because they have similar traits in appearance they must have the same game.
ugly indeed, and i am offended
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This really annoys me too. I’ve been hearing the comparisons all over the place this past weekend, and I also haven’t understood it.
When talking about combine numbers, I figured they would discuss the similarities between he and Andrew Luck more. Both showed good athleticism, but prefer to stay in the pocket.
He apparently claims that he models himself after Aaron Rodgers-pocket passer, who does make the run for a 1st sometimes, or moves around to buy time.
I’m with you on the annoyance of this—he is being compared to RGIII and Kaep, not necessarily for what his skin color is–but for what it is not. Not just Cork…lots of dudes have been doing it.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
NFL@nfl
Dee Milliner, Tyrann Mathieu among DBs who shined at Combine: http://on.nfl.com/DBStandouts
Retweeted by Tyrann Mathieu
February 27th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
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Not at all.
I think that is a HORRIBLE idea for this draft year. Restructuring Palmer and giving Pryor a chance is the only thing that makes any sense, imo.
Because it was all Greg Knapp’s fault, right????
February 27th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
NFL Network@nflnetwork
London Fletcher: Tyrann Mathieu benefitted most from #NFLCombine – http://on.nfl.com/MathieuCombine
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
NFL@nfl
Deion Sanders: ‘Tyrann Mathieu will be a baller in the NFL. Immediately.’ http://on.nfl.com/Mathieu #NFLCombine
gregg rosenthal@greggrosenthal
On a positive note: No DB catches the ball more naturally than Mathieu
Retweeted by Tyrann Mathieu
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
467.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
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I was anti-Geno at first, but hell, this is such a weak draft that odds are the player we select at #3 is going to bust anyhow, so why not chance it on Geno?
I would still rather see one of the two LTs fall to us, or Milliner…..but this draft class SUCKS.
I thought it was going to be stacked at DE, DT….they all have issues.
Either take the safe bet with Joeckel, Fisher or Milliner, or go for broke and draft Geno.
I can’t believe we have the 3rd overall pick and it feels like we are sorting through a boat of toys fresh from the Island of Misfits.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Wasn’t there thinking on this board that Chekwa could be moved to safety?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Imagine if we drafted Dee, picked up Rusher in FA and in draft.
and picked up Mathieu.. or Jordan Poyer out of OSU who had 7 ints??
got a vet like ASO.. or C woodson?? Thats something Dennis Allen could work with
February 27th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I’m cool on Nnamdi.
I like Adams, Chekwa, and Jones. Especially at the price they command vs. what we would have to pay Nnamdi.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Wasn’t there thinking on this board that Chekwa could be moved to safety?
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I thought that when we actually had some depth at corner. But then we cut guys like Jeremy Ware, DVD. Johnson, and Routt.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
497.J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I’m cool on Nnamdi.
I like Adams, Chekwa, and Jones. Especially at the price they command vs. what we would have to pay Nnamdi.
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Cardboard cutouts would be even cheaper than those 3. Think of all the money we could save!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
by SilverRaider 12:31 PM
After Smith & Barkley, who’s the 1 or 2 QBs that looks best to you?
by scorkran 12:31 PM
Big Tyler Wilson fan. Also intrigued by Landry Jones, Mike Glennon and Tyler Bray.
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more proof that Cork has no clue when it comes to qb and is victimized by his own bias laden agenda
no mention of ej amnual?!?!?!
Manual is worlds better than these qbs he mentioned
February 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
494.Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
467.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
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I was anti-Geno at first, but hell, this is such a weak draft that odds are the player we select at #3 is going to bust anyhow, so why not chance it on Geno?
I would still rather see one of the two LTs fall to us, or Milliner…..but this draft class SUCKS.
I thought it was going to be stacked at DE, DT….they all have issues.
Either take the safe bet with Joeckel, Fisher or Milliner, or go for broke and draft Geno.
I can’t believe we have the 3rd overall pick and it feels like we are sorting through a boat of toys fresh from the Island of Misfits.
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Not really any safe bets bro.
Even Joke and Fisher have weaknesses.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Yo DJ whut whut
The Beeech Dawg has decided to commit to porking nubian woman exclusively after seeing Kerry Washington get her stank on in Django Unchained
So I’ve been reading Ebony Magazine during my morning bubble bath to learn more about these exotic beauties
Brought home a delicious dark meat momma last night from a strip club in Inglewood and sealed the deal with Billy Ocean’s Love Zone CD
Probably not a surprise, huh
She had multiple orgazims during Never Too Late to Try and we spooned sensually during Love Is Forever and both cried a little
My ding dong will never forget that moment
February 27th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
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what don’t you like about geno? any red flags?
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Statistically speaking, top 16 QB’s bust at 44%… in comparison top 16 LT’s bust at 19%, and hit at a whopping 69%!!
If a franchise is desperate for a sure thing, they should never take a QB… and stick with the o-line.
Here’s the source:
http://tinyurl.com/abdph5a
February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
As said last year, Reggie goes strictly by his board. Said need is not what makes his final decision. So if he really likes Geno and he is rated higher on the board than whatever dlineman is available then that’s who we are getting.
If we were the type of team that didn’t have weaknesses all over the place, it’d probably be more clear but that’s not the case. We’ve got bums galore.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
Cardboard cutouts would be even cheaper than those 3. Think of all the money we could save!
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LOL
February 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I think Geno is just as good as Russ Wilson and Kaprnick and those guys should have been 1st top 15 picks from what it looks like now.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
504.SilverLining20 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
As said last year, Reggie goes strictly by his board. Said need is not what makes his final decision. So if he really likes Geno and he is rated higher on the board than whatever dlineman is available then that’s who we are getting.
If we were the type of team that didn’t have weaknesses all over the place, it’d probably be more clear but that’s not the case. We’ve got bums galore.
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Geno Smith will not be #3 on anyone’s draft list.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I think Geno is just as good as Russ Wilson and Kaprnick and those guys should have been 1st top 15 picks from what it looks like now.
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You think he’s as good as Aaron Rodgers, his idol? Lol. Or just the black guys?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@Mistic
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping
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excellent question
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a better question is why is it important to the both of you?
February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
503.Gdog Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Statistically speaking, top 16 QB’s bust at 44%… in comparison top 16 LT’s bust at 19%, and hit at a whopping 69%!!
If a franchise is desperate for a sure thing, they should never take a QB… and stick with the o-line.
Here’s the source:
http://tinyurl.com/abdph5a
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Robert Gallery…..I hate you!
February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
504.SilverLining20 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
As said last year, Reggie goes strictly by his board. Said need is not what makes his final decision. So if he really likes Geno and he is rated higher on the board than whatever dlineman is available then that’s who we are getting.
If we were the type of team that didn’t have weaknesses all over the place, it’d probably be more clear but that’s not the case. We’ve got bums galore.
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Geno Smith will not be #3 on anyone’s draft list.
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I don’t think so either. I’m still believing that he’s just trying to jack up the value of our pick to trade.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Not you Gdog….I hate Robert.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
I get a kick how Geno is being undervalued right now.
The kid has skills and is a hard worker and is solid prospect and is more of pocket passer than Scam Newton and RG3 and Kapernick.
Geno interviewed well with clubs at Combine. Geno has some X factor intangibles and if he can ran more in college adn won the Heisman (which he could have) more people would be enamored by him.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
511.SilverLining20 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
504.SilverLining20 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
As said last year, Reggie goes strictly by his board. Said need is not what makes his final decision. So if he really likes Geno and he is rated higher on the board than whatever dlineman is available then that’s who we are getting.
If we were the type of team that didn’t have weaknesses all over the place, it’d probably be more clear but that’s not the case. We’ve got bums galore.
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Geno Smith will not be #3 on anyone’s draft list.
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I don’t think so either. I’m still believing that he’s just trying to jack up the value of our pick to trade.
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Whatever needs to be done.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
501.DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
494.Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
467.DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
You guys want a new qb so desperately you’re willing to stretch on Geno Smith.
Many scouts and analysts don’t even have him in the top 15 yet guys here are pining for him for our # 3?
If Palmer must go…(and most of you feel that way) then go with Pryor instead.
Like Cork said, with the # 3 pick you have to get it right. Too much at stake to screw it up.
I’d muster up the koolaid for Geno if that’s the way it goes down but it seems like a huge risk.
No risk no reward I guess but still…
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I was anti-Geno at first, but hell, this is such a weak draft that odds are the player we select at #3 is going to bust anyhow, so why not chance it on Geno?
I would still rather see one of the two LTs fall to us, or Milliner…..but this draft class SUCKS.
I thought it was going to be stacked at DE, DT….they all have issues.
Either take the safe bet with Joeckel, Fisher or Milliner, or go for broke and draft Geno.
I can’t believe we have the 3rd overall pick and it feels like we are sorting through a boat of toys fresh from the Island of Misfits.
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Not really any safe bets bro.
Even Joke and Fisher have weaknesses.
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Guess I could have said SAFER bets.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:58 pm
508.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I think Geno is just as good as Russ Wilson and Kaprnick and those guys should have been 1st top 15 picks from what it looks like now.
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You think he’s as good as Aaron Rodgers, his idol? Lol. Or just the black guys?
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He could be..but I don’t think so. I think he is definitely as good as Russ Wilson and Kap and everyone is in “love” with them now…..
February 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
I will say that I do like Geno. Just not top 3 pick in our situation like him.
February 27th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
508.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I think Geno is just as good as Russ Wilson and Kaprnick and those guys should have been 1st top 15 picks from what it looks like now.
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You think he’s as good as Aaron Rodgers, his idol? Lol. Or just the black guys?
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He could be..but I don’t think so. I think he is definitely as good as Russ Wilson and Kap and everyone is in “love” with them now…..
Geno can definitely sling it though. Just depends how well he can read defenses, change plays and keep poise.
I would like to see him run a bit more in the NFL to get out trouble, which I’m sure he will do.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I was anti-Geno at first, but hell, this is such a weak draft that odds are the player we select at #3 is going to bust anyhow, so why not chance it on Geno?
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It’s harder to work around a bust at QB. Plus I think the next few years are going to be stronger QB drafts and if we take Geno there is no way we don’t give him a few years to prove it. Gabbert is still going to start in Jacksonville. We will suck next year whether we have Geno, Palmer or Pryor starting. If Palmer or Pryor start and suck they will replace them next year. If Geno starts and sucks, they will sit on him and hope he developes because GMs and coaches aren’t allowed many mistakes at the QB position. You captain that QB ship into the depths of the ocean.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
He could be..but I don’t think so. I think he is definitely as good as Russ Wilson and Kap and everyone is in “love” with them now…..
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Dude hasn’t taken 1 snap yet. Smh.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
It’s going to be interesting though, cause I think at least one of the teams between, Cards, Bills, Browns, and Jets will like and want Geno.
Just playing their cards close to the vest.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
509.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@Mistic
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping
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excellent question
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a better question is why is it important to the both of you?
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Actually it is a refelction of you and your bigotry. Cork cannot put these QBs in the same category, but you can?
Disgusting!
On top of that I think that RGIII and Kap are going to be great pocket passers in the future. I know Kap will be able to make every throw asked of him.
I think Cork impiled that RGIII and Kap were dynamic exciting players and that is what Geno Smith is projected to be.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I guess these bloggers want us to Draft Geno to trade?
February 27th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
521.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
He could be..but I don’t think so. I think he is definitely as good as Russ Wilson and Kap and everyone is in “love” with them now…..
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Dude hasn’t taken 1 snap yet. Smh.
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I think he can be is what I meant because he has the same skill sets is actually a better pocket passer and has better mechanics than Kap. We talking about drafting and value. Looking back….Russ Wilson and Kap should have been top 10 picks right?
It all depends on proper coaching as well.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
509.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@Mistic
So Geno will not be part of the “Wave of the Future” grouping
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excellent question
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a better question is why is it important to the both of you?
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Actually it is a refelction of you and your bigotry. Cork cannot put these QBs in the same category, but you can?
Disgusting!
On top of that I think that RGIII and Kap are going to be great pocket passers in the future. I know Kap will be able to make every throw asked of him.
I think Cork impiled that RGIII and Kap were dynamic exciting players and that is what Geno Smith is projected to be.
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dutch you dont know shid
RgIII is a great pocket passer, just as geno already is a great pocket passer.
the games that these 3 play is totaly different.
geno is a quick passer doesnt run to score
griffin and kap are play action qbs that thrive on deep passing, and look to score when ever they run.
comparing them in that way is lazy at best flat out racist at worst
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
520.rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
I was anti-Geno at first, but hell, this is such a weak draft that odds are the player we select at #3 is going to bust anyhow, so why not chance it on Geno?
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It’s harder to work around a bust at QB. Plus I think the next few years are going to be stronger QB drafts and if we take Geno there is no way we don’t give him a few years to prove it. Gabbert is still going to start in Jacksonville. We will suck next year whether we have Geno, Palmer or Pryor starting. If Palmer or Pryor start and suck they will replace them next year. If Geno starts and sucks, they will sit on him and hope he developes because GMs and coaches aren’t allowed many mistakes at the QB position. You captain that QB ship into the depths of the ocean.
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I think the Jags should actually take Geno. I mean Gabbert and Henne?
They need some excitement down there in JVille and at least Geno brings some X factor intangibles and competition to their bad QB situation.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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Yup how dare those racists let Cam fall to #1 overall and RGIII to #2 behind the best QB prospect since P.Manning!
At least come up with better examples when spouting nonsense.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
SBreport@SBreport
Chris Mortensen: Raiders believed to be interested in Geno Smith.
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and it begins
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
SBreport@SBreport
Chris Mortensen: Raiders believed to be interested in Geno Smith.
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and it begins
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/wrists
February 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
@TheFilmRoom Alex Smith’s career record when the opponent scores at least 24 points: 2-27-1
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Thank you KC Chiefs. You made my day.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
SBreport@SBreport
Chris Mortensen: Raiders believed to be interested in Geno Smith.
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Guarantee you this is a smokes screen by RM to get teams to pay up for the spot.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
I think the Jags should actually take Geno. I mean Gabbert and Henne?
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1. KC drafts LT
2. Jags grab Geno
3. Raiders prob trade down. Although I was hoping we’d get Star Man here.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Evan Silva@evansilva
“Word around the NFL” is #Raiders are interested in Geno Smith at the 3rd overall pick, per ESPN’s Chris Mortensen: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8326/geno-smith …
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ppl can keep saying smoke screen.. but Raiders were interested in GENO well before the college football season was over.
I remember reading on twitter Raiders scouts in attendance at his games.
Geno said Raiders were on of the first teams he met with. Thats not smokescreen. They are probaly really interested in him
February 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Whenever I read the internet about Geno Smith is, that he’s the top QB prospect, but………
February 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
513.DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
I get a kick how Geno is being undervalued right now.
The kid has skills and is a hard worker and is solid prospect and is more of pocket passer than Scam Newton and RG3 and Kapernick.
Geno interviewed well with clubs at Combine. Geno has some X factor intangibles and if he can ran more in college adn won the Heisman (which he could have) more people would be enamored by him.
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My problems with him:
He is somewhat short (yeah yeah Brees blah blah)
His is skinny
He has small hands
He got a large portion of his passing yards from short passes that WRs broke for the real yardage gains
He looked very bad in his bowl game
Doesn’t throw a very good deep ball
But he seems:
Smart
Has good touch
Accurate
Looks to pass first
Has decent arms stregth on short passes with tight windows
Reminds me a little of Gannon, and he did okay with us.
If we had a second rounder, I would rather take Barkley in round 2 than Geno in round 1…..at this point this draft class blows, so it doesn’t really matter (sigh)
February 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
How is almost 6ft 3 almost short? He is as tall as Rg3
Wilson is 5ft 10.. now that is for a qb
February 27th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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Oh yeah this is true to this day to a certain extent.
Geno also had a better than Combine Scam Newton and threw the ball much better than Scam.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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Yup how dare those racists let Cam fall to #1 overall and RGIII to #2 behind the best QB prospect since P.Manning!
At least come up with better examples when spouting nonsense.
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try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
cam was in a class that was also regarded as weak because his biggest challenger for the number one spot was gabbert. gabbert that many experts said was abetter prospect than cam. hell media outlets even engaged in slander against cam bringing up the college accusations and questioning the authenticity of his smile??!?!/ lest not pretend cam was the consensus number one he was far from it
well cam put the gabbert thing to rest didnt he? I mean six feet deep to rest.
so it isnt non sense and a simple study and look back reveals these facts
feel free to shut the fugg up
February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
ESPN Monday Night@ESPNMondayNight
@GenoSmith_12 watching tape with coach Gruden. Is he the best available QB in the Draft? —> pic.twitter.com/b3NsymOB6n
Retweeted by Eugene Geno Smith
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POSSIBLY meeting his future HC.. or Next HC of the Raiders.. JON GRUDEN
February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Eugene Geno Smith@GenoSmith_12
4.56 40, 10.4 broad jump, 34 inch vert. Yet none of this defines me as a QB!
February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
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Well except Michael Vick and Cam Newton…How was Cam Newton undervalued and picked at the #1 spot?
Love you mention McNabb. Did you even look at that draft?
#1-Couch
#2-McNabb
#3 Akili Smith
#11 Daunte Culpepper
Threee black Qbs taken in the first 11 picks…
February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Kappernick is 6-5 so is Pryor. Lol.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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The one thing that never changes are your lame posts!!!
Cam Newton was taken 1st overall
Jamarcus Russell 1st overall
RG III 2nd Overall
Akaili Smith 3rd Overall
Are you starting to get the picture. The “black guy can’t play QB” bus nose dived over a cliff years ago with Warren Moon and Steve McNair. Get over it and join the 21st Century. Steve McNair was as good as any QB in the league when he was in his prime and was even MVP one year and a foot away from probably being Superbowl MVP. Everyone knows this and guys in the NFL just want to win. You could have purple skin for all they care.
In some cases I think we even over compensate kind of like a make up. Case in point Donovan McNabb and Vince Young – over rated average QBs when they were on good teams.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
534.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
Evan Silva@evansilva
“Word around the NFL” is #Raiders are interested in Geno Smith at the 3rd overall pick, per ESPN’s Chris Mortensen: http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8326/geno-smith …
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ppl can keep saying smoke screen.. but Raiders were interested in GENO well before the college football season was over.
I remember reading on twitter Raiders scouts in attendance at his games.
Geno said Raiders were on of the first teams he met with. Thats not smokescreen. They are probaly really interested in him
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Or Reggie is as smart as Mr. Snead thinks he is, and has been setting teams up since the second half of the season started and sent scouts to WV just to prove we are interested in order to force a team to trade up?!?!?!
February 27th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Whenever I read the internet about Geno Smith is, that he’s the top QB prospect, but………
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Poor Old Troll fell asleep in the middle of his sentence again
February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
lol
Dakota just compared geno smith to gannon?!?
if geno’s right arm was cut off the the shoulder he would have a stronger arm than gannon
gannon couldnt match genos athleticim either
too freaking funny
February 27th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1461969-pinstripe-bowl-2012-how-loss-impacts-geno-smiths-2013-nfl-draft-stock
Great breakdown if what happened in that game. The conditions didn’t help.
I really like Dion Jordan for the Raiders at #3.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
How the hell do you draft Geno Smith with Terrelle Pryor on the roster?
TP had a bigger career than he did.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Another lame post – RGIII lightly regarded? The Washington Redskins traded the kitchen sink to get into the 2nd spot to draft him. Man put down the Malcom X., Louis F., and Jermiah Wright tapes dude.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
539.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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Yup how dare those racists let Cam fall to #1 overall and RGIII to #2 behind the best QB prospect since P.Manning!
At least come up with better examples when spouting nonsense.
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try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
cam was in a class that was also regarded as weak because his biggest challenger for the number one spot was gabbert. gabbert that many experts said was abetter prospect than cam. hell media outlets even engaged in slander against cam bringing up the college accusations and questioning the authenticity of his smile??!?!/ lest not pretend cam was the consensus number one he was far from it
well cam put the gabbert thing to rest didnt he? I mean six feet deep to rest.
so it isnt non sense and a simple study and look back reveals these facts
feel free to shut the fugg up
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Yuuuuup! People were actually saying Gabbert was a better QB than Scam at the time.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
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nobody believes that statement but you and maybe rgIII’s mom
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I would be surprised if Raiders don’t upgrade their pass rush, with the first pick ,this interest in Geno Smith and Dee Miliner is just a smoke screen
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
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Well except Michael Vick and Cam Newton…How was Cam Newton undervalued and picked at the #1 spot?
Love you mention McNabb. Did you even look at that draft?
#1-Couch
#2-McNabb
#3 Akili Smith
#11 Daunte Culpepper
Threee black Qbs taken in the first 11 picks…
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thank you for proving my point dutch
couch over macnabb and culpepper?
hmmmm
also vicks class was seen as extremely weak with only he and brees seen as legit starter prospects both were questioned about size.
vick was graded higher than brees because of arm strength and mobility only.
vick is where geno finds himself today with his class is being down graded because he is at the top
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
CORK on Palmer.. Wow talk about changing his tune on the guy
“At the tail end of his prime, if not past, turns 34 this season, takes too many chances, lacks clear-cut No. 1 receiver, not good enough right now to carry the Raiders.”
Yep.. and Im sure he has been talking to front office ppl off the record. Palmer could be moved by june
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Get back to us when you’ve read the whole chat. See’s almost zero chance of Palmer not starting.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
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nobody believes that statement but you and maybe rgIII’s mom
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which statement?
February 27th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I would take RGIII over Luck, I liked Griffin to Colts with #
February 27th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Between Geno and Pryor….you figure one of them has top turn out to be a good QB in the NFL.
Geno a more polished passer who is more accurate….TP more of a runner and less polished and not as accurate of passer…
February 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
Kell
Totally agree! We need to get some packages in there for TP and TP needs to work on whatever caused him to throw such bad passes in SD. I think he has as much upside as Geno. I remember watching some of the things he did in College. He just needs to get more consistent and calm down out there. There is a good mentoring protege relationship there and it appears he is getting better and Palmer likes helping him. I do not understand why everyone wants to blow that up? It was about the only thing functional last year even in spite of Knapp.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I would take RGIII over Luck, I liked Griffin to Colts with # 1 pick, but to say he’s in another universe is just kinda immature
February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
553.mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
I would be surprised if Raiders don’t upgrade their pass rush, with the first pick ,this interest in Geno Smith and Dee Miliner is just a smoke screen
^^^^^^^^^
Dion Jordan, Ansah or Werner.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
Another lame post – RGIII lightly regarded?
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I didnt say “lightly regarded’
i said regarded as the 2nd best prospect by most experts
go back and research it isnt hard to find
to that end however griffin blew luck away this season and it isnt close
February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I would take RGIII over Luck, I liked Griffin to Colts with #
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fine but “severly” outplaying luck, is asenine
February 27th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago, they had more wins than luck this year, isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? it’s not worth debating you, you’re biased
February 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago, they had more wins than luck this year, isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? it’s not worth debating you, you’re biased
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meant to say the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago yet more wins than the skins this year isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? and it’s still not worth debating you since you’re biased
February 27th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
rediaR Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Geno is excellent there is only ONE reason he is being under valued, and it is the same reason griffin and cam and mcnabb were under valued at draft time.
WHEN EVER A BLACK MAN IS THE BEST IN HIS CLASS THE CLASS IS AUTOMATICALLY DOWNGRADED OR HE IS MADE TO BE SEEN A STRETCH OR REACH IF TAKEN FIRST OVER A WHITE COUNTER PART.
some things never change
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Yup how dare those racists let Cam fall to #1 overall and RGIII to #2 behind the best QB prospect since P.Manning!
At least come up with better examples when spouting nonsense.
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try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
cam was in a class that was also regarded as weak because his biggest challenger for the number one spot was gabbert. gabbert that many experts said was abetter prospect than cam. hell media outlets even engaged in slander against cam bringing up the college accusations and questioning the authenticity of his smile??!?!/ lest not pretend cam was the consensus number one he was far from it
well cam put the gabbert thing to rest didnt he? I mean six feet deep to rest.
so it isnt non sense and a simple study and look back reveals these facts
feel free to shut the fugg up
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RGIII had a better rookie season. Cool. Both had good seasons and lead their previously terrible teams to the playoffs. The jury is still out on who will ultimately be better and have the better career. Blaming the draft positioning on race is delusional at best.
Godzilla forbid the media bring up Cam Newton’s sketchy past! Gabbert went nowhere but down draft boards during his senior year. He was exposed (like Barkley) and the media caught up to it. Cam came out of nowhere that year to win a NC. In the end, most people thought he was the best QB in the draft, by farrrrr. There will always be idiots who think otherwise, but race doesn’t have to be the reason.
Feel free to give yourself a hug and listen to Robin Williams. http://youtu.be/GtkST5-ZFHw?t=25s
February 27th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Yep, he threw 3-4 floaters, but they were all on the money. In the pouring down rain, btw.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
try again
RGIII was regarded as 2nd best in his class to luck by most so called experts only to severely outplay luck during the season, even while missing playing time along the way. he proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky
cam was in a class that was also regarded as weak because his biggest challenger for the number one spot was gabbert. gabbert that many experts said was abetter prospect than cam. hell media outlets even engaged in slander against cam bringing up the college accusations and questioning the authenticity of his smile??!?!/ lest not pretend cam was the consensus number one he was far from it
well cam put the gabbert thing to rest didnt he? I mean six feet deep to rest.
so it isnt non sense and a simple study and look back reveals these facts
feel free to shut the fugg up
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Well Mistic according to u wins are the only thing that matters right ? so i guess Andy Dalton put Scam 6 feet under and he was taken in the 2nd round Dalton is 19 and 13 with 2 playoff appearances while scam is 13 and 19
February 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Mystic the Supulvian Racist
You insinuated that he was lightly regarded as compared to his ability. The fact of the matter is many teams had him at the top of their draft boards. Like I said put down the Jerimiah Wright tapes and join the 21st century.
Both Griffen and Luck had great years. Sometimes the one you draft afterwards does better. I think JR and BR came out the same year no? So is that because of racists scouts thinking BR can’t play because he is white? I mean that is how you come off. You sound like an idiot.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
ESPN’s Adam Schefter expects Matt Cassel to be “on the Cardinals’ radar,” and to draw interest from other teams.
Weak-armed and inaccurate, Cassel would be a terrible fit in Bruce Arians’ vertically-minded passing attack, especially considering Arians’ aversion to the run game. Cassel has no chance of succeeding in an offense that isn’t one of the league’s most run heavy. That Arizona would even briefly consider a quarterback who’s turned the ball over 30 times in his past 18 games speaks to how uniquely terrible their QB situation has become.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
hope reggies reported interest in geno smith is a smoke screen
February 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Not you Gdog….I hate Robert.
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Yea, they included Gallery as a bust, which I disagree with… he wasn’t a horrible RT or LG for us. He was just a horrible LT for some reason and then he got injuryitus.
A bust is out of the league in 4-5 years IMO.
Just goes to show how safe a LT is in the top 16!
February 27th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
nonewordraider Mistic is completely biased and a moron he’s just a lil angry racist thats all.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Yep, he threw 3-4 floaters, but they were all on the money. In the pouring down rain, btw.
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Ohh gawd… here comes the Pryor HOF-hype. I am out…
February 27th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
I would take RGIII over Luck, I liked Griffin to Colts with #
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fine but “severly” outplaying luck, is asenine
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smashing two fools for the price of one.
inoneturd
luck : 54% cmp 28 tds (23 pass 5 rush)26 turn overs (18 ints 8 fumbles)
griffin :65.6 % cmp 27 tds (20 passing 7 rushing) 7 turn overs 5 int 2 fmb oh and the all time rookie rush record for qbs
lol like i said not in the same universe
macbutchese you are a liar you dont like rgIII
you said “black qbs suck they can only win with a run game”
February 27th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
J Hill Says:
But I’m an admitted Al Davis fan, so I’m sorry man, I just feel he deserves a chance to actually fail before we kick him to the curb. 4 games is really all it would take for me. Too bad he didn’t get 3 or 4 games to finish last year, and we could all be satisfied 1 way or the other.
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Advocated that in preseason if not earlier, assuming we were mathematically eliminated.
But I disagree. No matter how well or badly he played I’d have still wanted one more year. Hopefully with him earning the #2 spot so he gets practice time. He brings too much to the table not to hope his passing improves.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
CB Dee Millner will definitely NOT be the Raiders pick at #3.
I’m guaranteeing that right now!
February 27th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago, they had more wins than luck this year, isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? it’s not worth debating you, you’re biased
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meant to say the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago yet more wins than the skins this year isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? and it’s still not worth debating you since you’re biased
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both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
February 27th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
smashing two fools for the price of one.
inoneturd
luck : 54% cmp 28 tds (23 pass 5 rush)26 turn overs (18 ints 8 fumbles)
griffin :65.6 % cmp 27 tds (20 passing 7 rushing) 7 turn overs 5 int 2 fmb oh and the all time rookie rush record for qbs
lol like i said not in the same universe
macbutchese you are a liar you dont like rgIII
you said “black qbs suck they can only win with a run game”
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luck took his team from the worst team in the league to the playoffs with MORE wins than the skins advantage luck. you are the only person who thinks he SEVERLY outplayed luck, that’s not even questionable
February 27th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
CB Dee Millner will definitely NOT be the Raiders pick at #3.
I’m guaranteeing that right now!
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100% correct.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
TP6 confidence is something that shouldnt be overlooked. been a long time since weve had a confident QB..in fact the last QB we had who had a below average arm but above average IQ and confidence level took us to the super bowl. To me , having Pryor is enough to not draft geno smith. We need a playmaker on defense with that 3rd pick.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
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severly outplayed is severly distorted by your racist views
February 27th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
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of course you skew it to agree with your view. the skins won more games than the colts last year. the colts won more games than the skins this year. luck therefore made the bigger impact. if stats told the whole story, palmers 4000 yards would be alot more impressive to you, wouldn’t it?
February 27th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
If Palmer reduces and restructures and the new Offensive brain thrust actually puts in packages for Pryor to come in randomly and throw off teams I think we have a chance to be a dynamic offense next year. Especially if Ford and Moore can stay healthy and get some continuity with Palmer and Pryor. We do have holes on the line though. Hope we get a starting center in the third, move Wiz back to LG and then bring in FA RG and RT that works in powerblocking scheme.
Pryor’s potential is worth a long look. I have seen flashes of brilliance with that guy in his college carreer. Remember also his first year with us was largely wasted because as he said in an article he barely even talked with Hue or any of the offensive staff all year! Last year was his real rookie season and the guy is really young. Patience! for both the Pryor hates and the start pryor now people.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Luck is better than RG3 and he will also have a much longer and successful NFL career than RG3, Luck is much bigger and stronger
February 27th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
Mystic the Supulvian Racist
You insinuated that he was lightly regarded as compared to his ability. The fact of the matter is many teams had him at the top of their draft boards. Like I said put down the Jerimiah Wright tapes and join the 21st century.
Both Griffen and Luck had great years. Sometimes the one you draft afterwards does better. I think JR and BR came out the same year no? So is that because of racists scouts thinking BR can’t play because he is white? I mean that is how you come off. You sound like an idiot.
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There is no such thing as a black racist/ or black supremacy
show me anywhere in the world where black people opress non blacks based on skin color.
Ill wait.
to answer your take, you are wrong. Most so called experts had luck as the most nfl ready and best prospect for the following reasons.
griffin size concerns, luck prototypical size
griifin wasnts seen as a pocket passer, his mobility counted against him as it has for every other black athletic qb before him. luck was seen as the ideal pocket passer with mobility, and his mobiltiy was viewed as a reason to be excited for him and not a risk factor.
griffin wasnt considered savy at reading defens because he played in shotgun spread
didnt take snaps from center.
you will notice that some of the same baseless argument are also levied against geno this year.
white guys have a hard time when racism is pointed out to them
February 27th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
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of course you skew it to agree with your view. the skins won more games than the colts last year. the colts won more games than the skins this year. luck therefore made the bigger impact. if stats told the whole story, palmers 4000 yards would be alot more impressive to you, wouldn’t it?
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i havnt skewed anything
jc won more and turned it over less. he also was better in the red zone and better ion the 4th quarter, stats backed up those claims.
win total and stats
February 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
@Mistic1
Why would you leave out the Rookie passing records that Luck broke?
“This season, Luck set a new rookie record for passing yards (4,374), game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime (seven) and most wins by a No. 1 overall pick (11).”
February 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
Hope Star checks out okay with the heart condition.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
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severly outplayed is severly distorted by your racist views
nearly equal tds luck 8 griffin 27
griffin better cmp % luck 54 griffin 65
way less turn overs luck 26, griffin 7……7!!!!!
all time rookie qb rushing record
lmao
February 27th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Pryor at times has shown he has good arm strength and in certain situations throws an accurate ball. His problem is consistency and the game slowing down for him. He needs to calm down and be able to make the throws and decisions. I really do think he has a chance but whatever he was doing at times in the SD game needs to be corrected.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
geno smith is more like sam bradford than kaepernik and griffin, imo.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
i havnt skewed anything
jc won more and turned it over less. he also was better in the red zone and better ion the 4th quarter, stats backed up those claims.
win total and stats
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so luck had more wins, more winning drives, more t’ds, and stayed on the field more but lower comp % and more turnovers. does this sound like severly outplayed to anyone?
February 27th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Mystic
Why don’t you pull stats on Big Ben’s carreer vs. Russell’s and explain that all to us. By your logic it would be reverse racism
February 27th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
smashing two fools for the price of one.
inoneturd
luck : 54% cmp 28 tds (23 pass 5 rush)26 turn overs (18 ints 8 fumbles)
griffin :65.6 % cmp 27 tds (20 passing 7 rushing) 7 turn overs 5 int 2 fmb oh and the all time rookie rush record for qbs
lol like i said not in the same universe
macbutchese you are a liar you dont like rgIII
you said “black qbs suck they can only win with a run game”
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luck took his team from the worst team in the league to the playoffs with MORE wins than the skins advantage luck. you are the only person who thinks he SEVERLY outplayed luck, that’s not even questionable
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Mistic is the only one??? Then why was RG3 selected at the Rookie of the Year over Luck? Must be a few others.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
@Mistic1
Why would you leave out the Rookie passing records that Luck broke?
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over site, but it doesnt change my take
luck 28 td 26 turn overs
griffin 27 tds 7 turn overs
no contest
February 27th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
i havnt skewed anything
jc won more and turned it over less. he also was better in the red zone and better ion the 4th quarter, stats backed up those claims.
win total and stats
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so luck had more wins, more winning drives, more t’ds, and stayed on the field more but lower comp % and more turnovers. does this sound like severly outplayed to anyone?
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again luck 28 tds and 26 turn overs
griffin 27 tds and 7 turnovers
lol severely is quite apropos
February 27th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
There is real racism in the world. This is not it. Bye.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Palmer & Pryor are so different, Olson will have to design around Palmer. Pryor, because of his ability to extend plays and scramble can play Palmer’s offense.
I don’t think you bring Pryor in for “packages”. those are dead giveaways, and probably get somebody hurt.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
Mystic
Why don’t you pull stats on Big Ben’s carreer vs. Russell’s and explain that all to us. By your logic it would be reverse racism
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i have no clue what your getting at
please tell me where in the world black people benefit from oppressing non blacks with racism?
there is no place like that in todays world, we do not qualify for the term racist or your made up term reverse racist
February 27th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Mistic is the only one??? Then why was RG3 selected at the Rookie of the Year over Luck? Must be a few others.
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That may be true, RGIII deserved it over Luck and had a better year. But to say that RGIII “proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky” is not accurate.
February 27th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Mystic
“White guys have a hard time when racism is pointed out to them.”
Yea I have a hard time being called a racist by the likes of you! I honestly do not care about skin color but you are obsessed with it. You should read more MLK and less LF type stuff. Like I said stay away from the JW tapes!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
599.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Palmer & Pryor are so different, Olson will have to design around Palmer. Pryor, because of his ability to extend plays and scramble can play Palmer’s offense.
I don’t think you bring Pryor in for “packages”. those are dead giveaways, and probably get somebody hurt.
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Do you think Hardbaugh made a major mistake by employing Kappy in those packages before he got the starting job?
February 27th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Mistic is the only one??? Then why was RG3 selected at the Rookie of the Year over Luck? Must be a few others.
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That may be true, RGIII deserved it over Luck and had a better year. But to say that RGIII “proved he is in a different universe than lil lucky” is not accurate.
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cant accept it huh?
lol not surprisng
i would say a qb that has plus two td / turn over rate
isnt in the same universe as the qb with a plus 20 in the same category
maybe a basic math class could help you
February 27th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Mystic
“White guys have a hard time when racism is pointed out to them.”
Yea I have a hard time being called a racist by the likes of you! I honestly do not care about skin color but you are obsessed with it. You should read more MLK and less LF type stuff. Like I said stay away from the JW tapes!!!
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breaking wind,
it is racist for you to try and prescribe whom black people should listen to for our own well being
free people think and decide for ourselves
February 27th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Do you think Hardbaugh made a major mistake by employing Kappy in those packages before he got the starting job?
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Didnt see that, ok?
Take your hostility back to Mistic. Lol.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Per WaltersFootball:
http://www.walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.php
Lotulelei had a dominant senior and junior year at Utah. As a senior he recorded 42 tackles, 10 tackles for a loss, five sacks, three forced fumbles and four passes broken up. He was more dominant than the numbers indicate as he was constantly double-teamed and regularly defeated two blockers.
There were a number of highlight reel games from Lotulelei in 2012. He started the game against USC on fire with plays all over the field, including a vicious tackle for a loss and a forced fumble that he recovered after blowing up center Khaled Holmes, a potential second-day pick. Lotulelei caused another fumble against the Trojans, but was not officially credited for it. Lotulelei had dominant games with some splash plays against Washington State, California, BYU, UCLA and Utah State among others.
Lotulelei has a rare combination of size, power, speed and explosion. The 6-foot-4, 320-pound Lotulelei was a First-Team All-Pac-12 pick in 2011 and 2012. He won the 2011 Morris Trophy as the conference’s top defensive lineman as voted on by the starting offensive linemen. He could fit in any NFL scheme and is a prototypical tackle for a 4-3 defense. For a 3-4 scheme, he could play nose tackle or defensive end.
Lotulelei has the reputation of a high-character individual and is settled down with a wife and child. He has a huge ceiling and should only get better as he gains more experience.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
if geno didn’t lose 5 games in a row, blowouts most of them, in the heart of his schedule, there would be no question who the number 1 pick in the draft would be, in my opinino. that 5 game losing streak cost him more than the bowl game. he went from being a run away heisman candidate to not even on the radar.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Mystic
I lived in East Oakland as a child. I was one of 5 honkeys in my school. I have the scars to prove that blacks can be racists too and can “oppress white people” simply for being white. People are People. Good and bad in all flavors. You have no clue who you are talking to or what I have been through. To say blacks can not oppress or that blacks can not be racists is in of itself a racist statement and foolish to boot.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
weird but any time i point out something in todays world that is racist people here ( mostly people that classify themselves as white) try to sell me on the idea that it doesnt exist.
they cling to the idea that it is a thing of the past as if those that classify themselves as white have some how reformed.
I dont agree.
case and point sandusky joe paterno and penn state
sandusky raped mainly black boys
he was found out and protected by penn state staff including joe pa
when the damn burst joe pa was axed and the YOUTH AT PENN STATE RIOTED!!!
The youth amongst the ranks of those that classify themselves as white said we dont care if black children have been abused for years on end by sandusky and jo pa, give us our coach back.
Purely racist and that isnt back in the past
February 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
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both teams missed the playoffs the year before and neither won more than 5 games
both qualified for the playoffs this year BECAUSE of the qbs
so i view them both as being equals in that part of the equation. I see them as vastly different when it comes to individual talent and the stats bear witness to that fact
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of course you skew it to agree with your view. the skins won more games than the colts last year. the colts won more games than the skins this year. luck therefore made the bigger impact. if stats told the whole story, palmers 4000 yards would be alot more impressive to you, wouldn’t it?
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i havnt skewed anything
jc won more and turned it over less. he also was better in the red zone and better ion the 4th quarter, stats backed up those claims.
win total and stats
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Here we go again with the JC talk. The man nobody wants as a starting QB. The man who embarrassed his team and the Chicago franchise on national television.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mystic the Racist
So me suggesting you to lay off on the Louie F. tapes is me oppressing you? I have no power over you and you can listen to anything you want this is America at least for a little while longer but by your posts you need to broaden your perspective in my opinion.
I find it tragic and I am incredoulus that you are in an environment where you can actually think blacks can not be racists or suppress white people. It ranks right up there with we never went to the moon consipriacies.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
inonewordraider Says:
meant to say the colts had less wins than the redskins a year ago yet more wins than the skins this year isn’t this your basis for the jc v cp debate? and it’s still not worth debating you since you’re biased
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I’ve said it before. He’s like a water balloon with Wins/Losses written here, completion percentage over there, Int’s somewhere else, total yards and total turnovers in other places, years of experience elsewhere, rushing yards, offensive help, drops, batted balls, salary, draft position, etc., etc.,etc.
He can assert anything he wants and when you refute it using his arguement against him, it’s like squeezing the water balloon and another arguement pops out, squeeze that, and another, on and on and on.
He’s very good at it. Made it almost an art form.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
606.KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Do you think Hardbaugh made a major mistake by employing Kappy in those packages before he got the starting job?
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Didnt see that, ok?
Take your hostility back to Mistic. Lol.
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Lol, I was asking you a legit question. If Kappy did get hurt while in one of those gimmicky packages it would have terrible. At the time I thought it was a good idea.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Racism is usually defined as views, practices and actions reflecting the belief that humanity is divided into distinct biological groups called races and that members of a certain race share certain attributes which make that group as a whole less desirable, more desirable, inferior or superior.[1][2][3]
The exact definition of racism is controversial both because there is little scholarly agreement about the meaning of the concept “race”, and because there is also little agreement about what does and doesn’t constitute discrimination.
Critics argue that the term is applied differentially, with a focus on such prejudices by whites, and defining mere observations of racial differences as racism.[4]
Some definitions would have it that any assumption that a person’s behavior would be influenced by their racial categorization is racist, regardless of whether the action is intentionally harmful or pejorative. Other definitions only include consciously malignant forms of discrimination.[5]
Among the questions about how to define racism are the question of whether to include forms of discrimination that are unintentional, such as making assumptions about preferences or abilities of others based on racial stereotypes, whether to include symbolic or institutionalized forms of discrimination such as the circulation of ethnic stereotypes through the media, and whether to include the socio-political dynamics of social stratification that sometimes have a racial component.
Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.[3][6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
February 27th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Mystic
I lived in East Oakland as a child. I was one of 5 honkeys in my school. I have the scars to prove that blacks can be racists too and can “oppress white people” simply for being white
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Nice try but no
You have not been denied access to services or had your rights trampled on by any black people.
school children dont have the power or authority to opress anyone
besides that all the sytems in place for people activity is run by and in service to the white majority in amerikkka.
oakland is no different.
dont play word games, racism is a system and not an individual feeling.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Dalton 19 and 13 as a starter 2 playoff appearances scam 13 and 19 and has 0 playoff appearances does that make Dalton better.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
Your hatred for the white men is blinding you. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Seriously the fact you don’t call yourself a racist is a joke. Your poisonous views belong on a radical website, not a sports blog
February 27th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
Mystic the Racist
So me suggesting you to lay off on the Louie F. tapes is me oppressing you? I have no power over you
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it is racist, as it assumes that you have the cure for what ails us as though we need your input or approval to be legitimate
nope we choose for our own Nat Turner had the right idea
February 27th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
I love how Mistic ALWAYS throws in the rushing TD’s for his guy he is debating for, but NEVER for the guy he is debating against.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
Your hatred for the white men is blinding you. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Seriously the fact you don’t call yourself a racist is a joke. Your poisonous views belong on a radical website, not a sports blog
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dont attribute hate to my name
I have never said that
i have no problem pointing out when racism is at work though, and it is all over sports
this bothers those that classify themselves as white and has done so historically.
this was the reason for coin tell pro , the execution of malclom x and mlk, the deportation of marcus garvey and the murder of trayvonn martin
Afrikan proverb
when you throw a stone at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one that got hit
February 27th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
617.ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:13 pm
Dalton 19 and 13 as a starter 2 playoff appearances scam 13 and 19 and has 0 playoff appearances does that make Dalton better.
^^^^^^^^^
Bengals have a better Defense than Panthers. World of difference how much a good DEFENSE makes a QB look.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:18 pm
I love how Mistic ALWAYS throws in the rushing TD’s for his guy he is debating for, but NEVER for the guy he is debating against.
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i counted lucks rushing tds 23pass 5 rush= 28
February 27th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
rudegruden Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
Your hatred for the white men is blinding you. You are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Seriously the fact you don’t call yourself a racist is a joke. Your poisonous views belong on a radical website, not a sports blog
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dont attribute hate to my name
I have never said that
i have no problem pointing out when racism is at work though, and it is all over sports
this bothers those that classify themselves as white and has done so historically.
this was the reason for coin tell pro , the execution of malclom x and mlk, the deportation of marcus garvey and the murder of trayvonn martin
Afrikan proverb
when you throw a stone at a pack of dogs the one that yelps is the one that got hit
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Seriously, you’re insane.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Bengals have a better Defense than Panthers. World of difference how much a good DEFENSE makes a QB look.
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Alex Smith is a good example.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
i have no issue with dalton, he was amjor upgrade over palmer.
however when compared to cam he walked into a far better gig. head coach was still intact and the defense was solid
cam was rebuilding with a rookie head coach that won 2 games the year before he arrived. The panthers defense was also atrocious for most of that time.
right now dalton can say he has a better record, cam has the talent and the record books bear witness.
i think at the end of their careers we can revisit who the better player was
February 27th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Mystic
In a back alley in 1969 I almost had my life ended being ganged up on simply because I was different and my skin color did not match the norm. Not by other kids but by older people. If that is not oppression I do not know what is. fortunately someone saw this starting yelling and stopped it.
As for being denied services – have you ever heard of affirmative action? I was not able to access jobs because of my ethnicity or lack there of while others less qualified got them.
Racism is bigotry based on percieved races (that don’t exist by the way) it is making generalizations and judgements about people based on things like eye patterns and skin color or country their family came from. Look at Kell’s definition above. You don’t get to define it any way you want.
NFL is not racist – they are results driven. Like I said if you can play or coach, your skin color or proncement of your last name does not matter. One of the things I like about it.
Is racisim eradicated – No. I have spent a lot of time in the SE espeically and there it rears its ugly head all the time. But in places like the Pacific NW it is really rare to see out and out racists. Unfortuately I see a lot of racists like you in places like East Oakland.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Yeah if Star checks out healthy than he is probably up top McK’s and the Raiders board.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Wow, Miss Tick. Post 610!
No wonder you know which QB’s are on a different planet.
They’re with you!
February 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
1960AW, give it up. Guy is seriously deranged. And consumed by race….
Like a pyromaniac firefighter.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
however when compared to cam he walked into a far better gig. head coach was still intact and the defense was solid
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so Mistic. Who walked into better gig? Luck or RG3? lmao
February 27th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
JLofty Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:28 pm
1960AW, give it up. Guy is seriously deranged. And consumed by race….
Like a pyromaniac firefighter.
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Done. Don’t want to end up like Dr. Robert and have 500 racism religion posts.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Yeah Mr Robert is another fine specimen of psychosis…
February 27th, 2013 at 4:35 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
Unfortuately I see a lot of racists like you in places like East Oakland.
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I hope you didn’t spend any significant time there without consulting Miss Tick’s guide to cell phone street cred. Particularly applicable in Oakland if memory serves. One of the all time blog highlights forever defining Miss Tick’s own credibility.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Mystic
In a back alley in 1969 I almost had my life ended being ganged up on simply because I was different and my skin color did not match the norm. Not by other kids but by older people. If that is not oppression I do not know what is. fortunately someone saw this starting yelling and stopped it.
As for being denied services – have you ever heard of affirmative action? I was not able to access jobs because of my ethnicity or lack there of while others less qualified got them.
Racism is bigotry based on percieved races (that don’t exist by the way) it is making generalizations and judgements about people based on things like eye patterns and skin color or country their family came from. Look at Kell’s definition above. You don’t get to define it any way you want.
NFL is not racist – they are results driven. Like I said if you can play or coach, your skin color or proncement of your last name does not matter. One of the things I like about it.
Is racisim eradicated – No. I have spent a lot of time in the SE espeically and there it rears its ugly head all the time. But in places like the Pacific NW it is really rare to see out and out racists. Unfortuately I see a lot of racists like you in places like East Oakland.
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Breaking wind please
being beaten up is not being opressed
opressed means you are subject to the control of another group. Black people have never been in control of anyone in amerikkka, including them selves. before you bring up the President, he doent unilaterally control anyone and isnt allowed to make any decisions with out approval from his mainly white govt. counter parts.
Dont play semantics
2. affirmative action was created and implemented by those that classify themselves as white. Black people did not run these corpoerations that implemented the program, nor did we vote it into existence.
3. racsim as a system is the most accurate definition this has been noted by several authors and social scientist that classify themselves as white. That is where i got the definition from, i did not make it up or get it from any one black.
4. then you say “its rare” but you also “often see it in east oakland” which one is it/
maybe you are referring to the oscar grant murder
February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
631.aig-raiders Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
however when compared to cam he walked into a far better gig. head coach was still intact and the defense was solid
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so Mistic. Who walked into better gig? Luck or RG3? lmao
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probably luck, i mean the team won 11 games 2 years before he was there and the only thing really missing was a qb, they had talent. he had a borderline hall of fame receiver, an easy schedule, and some talent around him.
that said the situations were very similar, RGIII was able to get great production by his rookie rb, the O coordinator was very flexible and designed the plan around his strengths, etc.
both qbs got good production from other young guys. both qbs played great especially with the game on yhte line. both qbs are going to be studs i think for a while. RGII in my opinion had the better year, not by a great deal tho
February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Anyone in here concerned with Mark Davis acting like Chris Farley in Tommy Boy?
Hired first guy recommended by old guy advisors.
Has disconcerting interview with Jon Gruden in middle of AWFUL season.
Appears to be hiring another layer of management between him and first guy.
Red flag anyone?
February 27th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
SIGN JOHNNY JOLLY!!!
I bet he is cheap, and he prpbably has a chip on his shoulder to prove he still belongs in the NFL!
February 27th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Greg Jennings, yeah right.
Miles Burris, NFL starter, yeah right.
Tony Bergstrom, starting next year, yeah right.
Reggie McKenzie, yeah right.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
JLofty Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Anyone in here concerned with Mark Davis acting like Chris Farley in Tommy Boy?
Hired first guy recommended by old guy advisors.
Has disconcerting interview with Jon Gruden in middle of AWFUL season.
Appears to be hiring another layer of management between him and first guy.
Red flag anyone?
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Hey, I’ll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher’s ass by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn’t you rather to take his word for it?
February 27th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Good one, Le Feminone Napkin.
The Raiders need more guys on the DRANK.
How is your girlfriend?
February 27th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I’ve been sold on Geno for a long time, but if the “rumors” are out that the Raiders are interested in Geno…
they’re probably NOT.
RM is huge on keeping things close to the vest.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
RM is huge on destroying the Raiders.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
I am not a big T-bone steak guy Rude!
February 27th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:22 pm
Bengals have a better Defense than Panthers. World of difference how much a good DEFENSE makes a QB look.
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Alex Smith is a good example.
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same example i’ve been giving in defense of Palmer.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Mark Davis is trying to hire football people because for TOO LONG we didn’t have any.
Mark knows his limits and is ok not trying to do what he’s not capable of. I applaud that.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
Alex, how is your girlfriend?, just kidding.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I’ve been sold on Geno for a long time, but if the “rumors” are out that the Raiders are interested in Geno…
they’re probably NOT.
RM is huge on keeping things close to the vest.
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he doesn’t need a smoke screen at this point. KC isn’t taking him, and neither are the Jags.
i guess the only scenario would be someone trading for the #2 spot. hard to believe someone loves him so much that they’ll give up so much for the #2 spot(like the deadskins did last year for RGIII)
February 27th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Depending on how they rate Pryor and their prognosis of restructuring Palmer the Raiders are considering Geno as a fall back plan. They can probably get him even trading down a few notches as well. It is all in how they view the existing QB situation. The way I view it I think such a draft pick would be crazy but they may have a different opinion. From what all have said publically I am not seeing that though.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
Reggie is a Puppet Master and the NFL is running for cover.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
A top D doesn’t make the QB play better.
Under Singletary, the 49ers had #4 D in 2009. Alex Smith had 81 QB rating that year.
2010, SF D slides to 16th. Alex Smith has 82 QB rating.
Top D helps you win games, gives you better field position, helps you score more points. But it DOESN’T help you complete more passes and make better decisions.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Yeah I am cool with that idea.
My concern is he seems to be a bit knee-jerky and perhaps the kind of f^ckup that people, I mean REALLY good, talented, super smart people don’t prefer to work for…
At the very least he does not appear to have a vision even if that vision was to simply stay the f out of operations of the RAIDERS.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Hard for me to point to Dalton as why the Bengels are successful, I would give more credit to A.J. Green.
February 27th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
“Top D helps you win games, gives you better field position, helps you score more points. But it DOESN’T help you complete more passes and make better decisions.”
by playing better i refer to taking the pressure off the QB. doesn’t have to throw as much to play catch up like Palmer had to do so many times last year and the year before with an awful defensive showing every sunday.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Dalton is in the same boat as Carson … lots of yards and lots of picks thus far.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Top D doesn’t win games?????????????????????????
February 27th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
peace
February 27th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Dalton has a future.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Dalton has a future.
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As a minister. Time is running out on that dude. Bengals aren’t gonna waste that talented roster playing him at QB much longer.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Dr. post 656. No one has said that but you.
Also, I’ve been married a while now up in Oregon. Not sure if you’re thinking of someone else.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
O/U on Carson Palmer’s wins THAT HE STARTS for the rest of his career.
The line is 7.
Over Under?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:05 pm
Exactly my point DK knight Palmer walked into a horrible situation here Hue gets fired and now he has to deal with a rookie head coach in Allen and greg knapp as his offensive coordinator and he had no running game and our defense was even worst then the panthers yet mistic points out Scam walked into a bad situation well guess what for all the excuses he gave Scam he doesn’t give to Palmer the dude is seriously biased he blames Palmer for losing but doesn’t blame Scam at all the dude is insane
February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Dalton’s balling with zero running game. If receivers make QBs, Donald Hollas, Billy Joe Hobert, and Vince Evans woulda been ballers with Tim Brown
Give Dalton his props for a successful first two years.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
mistic your a pos. If you were white and talked like this, talking black people down, and acting if white were superior. Ud sound like hitle r. I gurantee u do more harm than good. Race isnt even brought up til u show. I think your mistaking racism. Im willing to bet every race thinks your a pos. Hint. Its not your skin color.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Any one ever seen Avenue Q the Broadway musical. They have a very honest song called “Everyone’s a little bit racist”… I mean, take the whole debate regarding this year’s weak QB class, I’d say if the top 2 CBs on the board where white we’d be saying this is a weak CB class… c’mon, everyones a little bit racist, no?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Debo have you not humiliated yourself enough?
Your QB evaluation is highly suspect to say the least.
Do you need to reminded??????????????????????
February 27th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
For the record i think Dalton is weak but Mistic always goes off of a Qb win loss record he always uses the JC record vs the current Palmer record well im just pointing out Dalton is 19 and 13 while Scam in 13 and 19 so by Mistics standards Dalton should be better
February 27th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Dear Mystic: Hear the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM
lol, gotta love the song!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
Debo have you not humiliated yourself enough?
Your QB evaluation is highly suspect to say the least.
Do you need to reminded??????????????????????
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Please do.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Dalton’s balling with zero running game. If receivers make QBs, Donald Hollas, Billy Joe Hobert, and Vince Evans woulda been ballers with Tim Brown
Give Dalton his props for a successful first two years.
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If the Bengals had to choose between Dalton and AJ Green in 2013, who would they chose?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Alex, where do you live?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
By the way Debo u told me last week that we were gonna hear big news about the JR comeback i still havn’t heard sch!t about that fat slob u also said if we didn’t hear anything u would admit u were wrong well im waiting
February 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Dalton’s balling with zero running game. If receivers make QBs, Donald Hollas, Billy Joe Hobert, and Vince Evans woulda been ballers with Tim Brown
Give Dalton his props for a successful first two years.
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If the Bengals had to choose between Dalton and AJ Green in 2013, who would they chose?
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Just stop already ur a moron
February 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Debo and his sock puppet army is retarded.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Umm, I just posted it above.
Debo, they’d choose the guy they drafted in the 1st round…
over the guy they drafted in the 2nd round. Point?
Mine is simply that Dalton is doing very well, and you don’t credit a WR only with the young QB getting no props.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
By the way Debo u told me last week that we were gonna hear big news about the JR comeback i still havn’t heard sch!t about that fat slob u also said if we didn’t hear anything u would admit u were wrong well im waiting
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WTF are you babbling about??
February 27th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Debo and Seymour Bush(Both Raider Legends) are retarded.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
The only disgrace worse than DEBO/SEYMOUR BUSH IS Alex I mean MR.
Two sides to the same COIN.
Just Win Baby.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
alex7 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
Umm, I just posted it above.
Debo, they’d choose the guy they drafted in the 1st round…
over the guy they drafted in the 2nd round. Point?
Mine is simply that Dalton is doing very well, and you don’t credit a WR only with the young QB getting no props.
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Point is you’re minimizing AJ Green’s importance to that team with your goofball point that receivers don’t make QBs. The Bengals would disagree with that. Plain as the nose on your face.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
By the way Debo u told me last week that we were gonna hear big news about the JR comeback i still havn’t heard sch!t about that fat slob u also said if we didn’t hear anything u would admit u were wrong well im waiting
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WTF are you babbling about??
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Dumbass u said we had a deal that we were gonna hear big news about the JRUSS comeback this week. Well i havn’t heard SCH!T about that loser just admit u were wrong.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
The only disgrace worse than DEBO/SEYMOUR BUSH IS Alex I mean MR.
Two sides to the same COIN.
Just Win Baby.
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Huh?? Who the fck are you anyway?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Oakglenilda, you know who I an Biatch.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
By the way Debo u told me last week that we were gonna hear big news about the JR comeback i still havn’t heard sch!t about that fat slob u also said if we didn’t hear anything u would admit u were wrong well im waiting
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WTF are you babbling about??
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Dumbass u said we had a deal that we were gonna hear big news about the JRUSS comeback this week. Well i havn’t heard SCH!T about that loser just admit u were wrong.
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Wrong dmsht! You said that the last link I sent you on his comeback was the last we’ll here of the story. I said it was just the beginning. Listen to yourself. How could I predict that there would be “big news” this week?? You are seriously brain dead!
February 27th, 2013 at 5:26 pm
Get back to us when you’ve read the whole chat. See’s almost zero chance of Palmer not starting.
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Get back to me at the start of the season. Hard to start when you are not here. Thats a dumb statement by Cork.. Mr. Flip flopper.. said he can be cut and not be here.. yet zero chance he is not the starter? hmm
February 27th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
This is when MR, I mean Alex, berates Debo, I mean Oakglenn, I mean Debo, I mean, Seymour Bush, I mean who ever is the most retarded person here.
Just Win Baby.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Well, with Lee out it looks like Steph is going to have to shoot 25+ times tonight to get this win.
Unless we can of course get Klay or Barnes to give us SOMETHING in the half court offense.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
Ok Debo whatever u say theres no point JR sucks and so do u
February 27th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
I see we’re all still splitting atoms….or picking fly shiiit out of pepper.
Whichever your preference.
Fact is teams are symbiotic.
You can argue importance of position and need, but ultimately it’s the whole of the collection that matters.
Our Whole is less than most as of today.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
from another article comments on Geno smith
“I posted this below, but I think it bears repeating. Everybody talks about the second half swoon for Geno in 2012. Here are the facts:
In his last six games, he threw 16 TDs and 4 INTs. And in those games he threw for 300 twice — against Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. — and 400 once. They had a five-game losing streak in the middle of the season, but it wasn’t much Geno’s fault. They gave up 49, 55, 39, 55 and 50 points in those games. How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
Facts are facts. The team took a nosedive in the second half, and while Geno didn’t perform as well as he did in the first half of the season, he was plenty good.”
I would be curious to see Geno smith play with Jacoby, Dmoore, DHB if he is back and whatever new WR we bring in.. DMAC etc.
Geno can play multiple offenses like he did in college. Can run spread, Can run a Pro offense, and Can run a read option offense even tho thats not his game.. and Im not talking about him taking off and running, more like attacking the middle of the field. Keeping the D honest with DMAC
February 27th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
I will say one thing though
Its Dayummm good to have a 1st round pick this year. The last two years sucked w/o 1st round picks
Its interesting/ exciting if anything else. agree?
February 27th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
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Hmmm. Yes. I would imagine it would be pretty tough. Certainly wouldn’t wanna throw those losses on the QB when the defense is so “god awful” and how a qb might feel like he has to score on every drive. It might force a pick or two as well. Especially when you’re dealing with a historically “god awful” defense.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
BTW: I’m not anti-Geno. It’s an important pick and you’ve gotta be sure. That’s all.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Thanks Len.
Our whole is less than most????????
February 27th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
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Hmmm. Yes. I would imagine it would be pretty tough. Certainly wouldn’t wanna throw those losses on the QB when the defense is so “god awful” and how a qb might feel like he has to score on every drive. It might force a pick or two as well. Especially when you’re dealing with a historically “god awful” defense.
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LOL
Deja vu.
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Thanks Len.
Our whole is less than most????????
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To put it another way, the sum of our Teams parts are less than others.
To take it a step further, the parts we currently have are not as symbiotic as the more successful Teams because of the constant turn over in coaching and the changes in procedure/philosophy.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
What a giant contradiction that whole live chat was.
First he touts Seattle for exhausting multiple resources on QB, even jokes he would be OK with drafting “3 QB’s”. Then says later can’t waste a latter pick on a QB.
Says we can’t draft Milner over Star because we need to draft a bunch of lineman, then when asked the greater need, WR, DB or O-lineman, he says CB.
There were a couple other ones.
Our typical haphazard, mail in chat from Cork.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Thanks Len.
Our whole is less than most????????
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To put it another way, the sum of our Teams parts are less than others.
To take it a step further, the parts we currently have are not as symbiotic as the more successful Teams because of the constant turn over in coaching and the changes in procedure/philosophy.
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JaMarcus agrees with you Len.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
What a giant contradiction that whole live chat was.
First he touts Seattle for exhausting multiple resources on QB, even jokes he would be OK with drafting “3 QB’s”. Then says later can’t waste a latter pick on a QB.
Says we can’t draft Milner over Star because we need to draft a bunch of lineman, then when asked the greater need, WR, DB or O-lineman, he says CB.
There were a couple other ones.
Our typical haphazard, mail in chat from Cork.
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Cork for Governor!
He has all the requisite attributes.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
JaMarcus agrees with you Len.
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LOL
Debo I respect your devotion.
JaMarcus has to own his own behavior.
He’s a grown man.
Alex Smith navigated the same ocean.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
Great 2nd quarter from Richard Jefferson.
Down the stretch of this season, he HAS TO get more minutes than Barnes.
Got to play your best players at this stage.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:56 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Thanks Len.
Our whole is less than most????????
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To put it another way, the sum of our Teams parts are less than others.
To take it a step further, the parts we currently have are not as symbiotic as the more successful Teams because of the constant turn over in coaching and the changes in procedure/philosophy.
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JaMarcus agrees with you Len.
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Wow u r a dumbass
February 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Top-12-Highest-Scoring-Regular-Season-Games/be1ef9cd-0ff5-4221-8a96-d2c8009d5890
Hmmmmmmm…Highest scoring game in Raider history in his 1st year here & we get Denise.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
STeph might go for 60 tonight.
This guy is beyond amazing.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
from another article comments on Geno smith
“I posted this below, but I think it bears repeating. Everybody talks about the second half swoon for Geno in 2012. Here are the facts:
In his last six games, he threw 16 TDs and 4 INTs. And in those games he threw for 300 twice — against Oklahoma and Oklahoma St. — and 400 once. They had a five-game losing streak in the middle of the season, but it wasn’t much Geno’s fault. They gave up 49, 55, 39, 55 and 50 points in those games. How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
Facts are facts. The team took a nosedive in the second half, and while Geno didn’t perform as well as he did in the first half of the season, he was plenty good.”
I would be curious to see Geno smith play with Jacoby, Dmoore, DHB if he is back and whatever new WR we bring in.. DMAC etc.
Geno can play multiple offenses like he did in college. Can run spread, Can run a Pro offense, and Can run a read option offense even tho thats not his game.. and Im not talking about him taking off and running, more like attacking the middle of the field. Keeping the D honest with DMAC
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I’m not opposed to him and I agree he shouldn’t take the blame for their nosedive, but if they evaluate him properly I don’t have a problem if they take him.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
STeph might go for 60 tonight.
This guy is beyond amazing.
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As a long suffering Warrior fan, I’m so happy that Curry is signed and HEALTHY.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
That Curry extension looked ridiculous before the season.
Not so much anymore.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
MikieG Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:30 am
So totally not true. His Ejection Fraction was discovered to be 44-49%…normal is 50-75%..He showed no symptoms, He had no idea there was anything wrong nor did anyone else…This is the type of thing you discover during a routine health exam of your heart. Do you know what your Ejection Fraction is?
Didn’t think so…
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BOOM HEADSHOT!
(It’s so nice to somebody post in here that actually knows what they are talking about (you). So many half drunk trailer trash dbags in here always spewing garbage like they think they know everything (them)).
February 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
JaMarcus agrees with you Len.
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LOL
Debo I respect your devotion.
JaMarcus has to own his own behavior.
He’s a grown man.
Alex Smith navigated the same ocean.
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Yeah, difference is SF let the dude hang out for seven seasons! Finally earned his keep at the end. I suspect JR would have shosn great improvement in 2010 under Hue like just about every other player on the team. Too bad Al wasn’t as patient and the 49ers’ brass. Look at them now.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
Get back to me at the start of the season. Hard to start when you are not here. Thats a dumb statement by Cork.. Mr. Flip flopper.. said he can be cut and not be here.. yet zero chance he is not the starter? hmm
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I’ll be here. Cork’ll be here. Pryor’ll be here(stupid to trade him for what he makes). Palmer’ll be here (stupid to trade him if we want to win).
February 27th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
I’m not opposed to him and I agree he shouldn’t take the blame for their nosedive, but if they evaluate him properly I don’t have a problem if they take him.
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So many moving parts in the NFL this time of Year.
I believe that Reggie and DA have “outcomes” game planned.
At this stage, THEY don’t know how things will ultimately shake out.
Only time will tell THEM and us.
Patience is hard for all of us that want a clear picture now.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
That Curry extension looked ridiculous before the season.
Not so much anymore.
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I viewed it as a roll of the dice based on the ankle.
I presume the Warriors med staff new more than us.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Yeah, difference is SF let the dude hang out for seven seasons! Finally earned his keep at the end. I suspect JR would have shosn great improvement in 2010 under Hue like just about every other player on the team. Too bad Al wasn’t as patient and the 49ers’ brass. Look at them now.
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Debo,
Do you not see the difference between Smith and JaMarcus as to HOW they approached their JOBS?
If Smith had behaved as JaMarcus did, He’d have been gone as well. Guaranteed.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
If Jamarcus would have simply agreed to a restructured contract, like seemingly half the QB’s in the NFL do these days, he would have stuck around a little longer.
He thought he was in some postion of bargaining strength or something by completely dismissing the notion.
It was beyond weird. Bad advice, whether it was from his agent team or in the air between his head.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
They had a five-game losing streak in the middle of the season, but it wasn’t much Geno’s fault. They gave up 49, 55, 39, 55 and 50 points in those games. How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
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You sound exactly like one of those delusional Palmer apologists!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
If Jamarcus would have simply agreed to a restructured contract, like seemingly half the QB’s in the NFL do these days, he would have stuck around a little longer.
He thought he was in some postion of bargaining strength or something by completely dismissing the notion.
It was beyond weird. Bad advice, whether it was from his agent team or in the air between his head.
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JaMarcus never saw the writing on the wall imo.
Wearing a medallion that state “The Chosen One” is a pretty strong clue imo.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:31 pm
The guy held out his rookie year, refused to renegotiate after bombing his first 3 years, and refused to go the UFL or Canada for a year.
He has completely bungled his whole career by thinking everyone owes him something.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
They had a five-game losing streak in the middle of the season, but it wasn’t much Geno’s fault. They gave up 49, 55, 39, 55 and 50 points in those games. How could a quarterback not press a little when his defense is so God awful? He must have felt like he had to score on every drive.
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You sound exactly like one of those delusional Palmer apologists
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again i didnt write that. Difference is Geno would be the future. You could get rid of Palmer if Geno is drafted. Kid is 21 yrs old
February 27th, 2013 at 6:32 pm
You sound exactly like one of those delusional Palmer apologists!
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lol…Yep
February 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
I’m down with whomever the Raiders draft at #3 PROVIDED that player starts day 1 and sticks with the Team in a highly productive capacity for 8-15 years.
Catastrophic Injury excluded.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
again I dont think Oakland is spreading this “smokescreen” how would they do that.. they are not talking to the press.
If anything Oakland showing interest in Geno would actually HELP JAX.. Teams could swap with them and take GENO.
Jacksonville would benefit by that not Oakland. Raiders may be very interested in GENO
February 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
With talk Raiders have interest in Geno Smith, Jacksonville will use that as leverage to try and make a deal with someone else. Watc
February 27th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
If the Bills really want Smith, then the Raiders could slide back to 8 and pick up a 2nd round pick as well.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
And @mortreport is reporting the Raiders have interest in drafting WVU QB Geno Smith, a player some see as a top 10 pick.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
If the Bills really want Smith, then the Raiders could slide back to 8 and pick up a 2nd round pick as well.
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Or they can just trade with JAX to make sure RAIDERS dont take them
February 27th, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:35 pm
Pete Prisco@PriscoCBS
With talk Raiders have interest in Geno Smith, Jacksonville will use that as leverage to try and make a deal with someone else. Watc
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Unless the Jags have the man they want at 2. They might not be open to a trade.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
15 years is a tad steep.
I think Hutchinson was a better prospect coming out than Warmack, and he only lasted 13 years.
There isn’t too many guys playing still from the ‘99 draft. Champ Bailey, Winfield I think is it.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
again i didnt write that. Difference is Geno would be the future. You could get rid of Palmer if Geno is drafted. Kid is 21 yrs old
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My apologies then. That guy sounds exactly like one of those delusional Palmer apologists!
February 27th, 2013 at 6:39 pm
If the Chiefs go with Joeckel and the Jags pick Floyd then the Raiders would be in a prime spot to trade out.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Well, with Lee out it looks like Steph is going to have to shoot 25+ times tonight to get this win.
Unless we can of course get Klay or Barnes to give us SOMETHING in the half court offense.
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I sold Steph short.
He is having a Pistol Pete like momet, with no help from Klay and Barnes.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
My apologies then. That guy sounds exactly like one of those delusional Palmer apologists!
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my apologies for you misunderstanding. u do that alot. But its all good
February 27th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
15 years is a tad steep.
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LOL
Yea, I pushed the envelope!
You understand what I mean.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:41 pm
If anything It could be JAX creating rumors that Oakland is interested in GENO SMITH with hopes of a team trading with them to get more pix. Not oak. WOW
February 27th, 2013 at 6:45 pm
For what it’s worth, Kiper moved Fisher ahead (#3) ahead of Joeckel (#5) on his big board.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
D-Moore wasn’t in his top 10, nor was Werner or Geno I believe.
Jones then Mingo for pass-rushers.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
my apologies for you misunderstanding. u do that alot. But its all good
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I, too, think that those who don’t agree with me mis understand.
If I understood you correctly.
February 27th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
I don’t understand
February 27th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
The Raiders are not interested in using their #3 on a QB. That would be a huge blunder. That would be a Al blunder. All this BS talk is part of the game.
Raiders looking to trade their spot. They need to. They have to. We have too many holes.
Take a QB in the later rounds. We have our QB of the future. Supposedly.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
We’re in a decent position to trade out IMO.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
I believe Geno is 1st, 2nd and 3rd on our draft board.
If the team fails again, Reggie is probably toast.
Never heard of a new GM not bringing in his own QB over two offseasons.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Anyone else feel KC caved a little in the Alex Smith deal? I mean the only other team interested is in their division and everyone knew they weren’t keeping Alex on the roster, so KC agrees to a 2nd and a conditional? Good for SF I guess. Bastards.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
Interesting article from a Chief fan site called “Arrowhead Addict” in regard to rumors of Oakland’s interest in Geno Smith.
“Smith going to Oakland would be yet another low blow to a number of Chiefs fans.
For months now, Geno Smith has been the heart’s desire of a great many of Kansas City faithful. After suffering through years of mediocre QB play, many in Chiefs Nation thought the QB drought would end after the team secured the top pick in the draft.
And most of those fans wanted the draught to end with Geno Smith.
Instead, the only Smith KC will be getting is named Alex.
The news earlier today, that the Chiefs have traded for 49ers QB Alex Smith, is wildly unpopular. As far as we can tell, the fans in KC are angry.
Now just imagine what will happen if the QB they all coveted, ends up going to the team’s most hated (debatable) division rival?”
February 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
I believe Geno is 1st, 2nd and 3rd on our draft board.
If the team fails again, Reggie is probably toast.
Never heard of a new GM not bringing in his own QB over two offseasons.
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I can see both sides of the coin. But if Geno fails and Reggie didn’t take the time to see what Als last pick had he is toast as well.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
People say other QB’s like Eli and such are the same age as Carson.
While true, those guys haven’t blown out their ACL, MCL as well as ligaments and tendons in their elbow over their careers.
Carson is a very old and beat up 33 going on 34. You can throw the broken ribs in there as well.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
I believe Geno is 1st, 2nd and 3rd on our draft board.
If the team fails again, Reggie is probably toast.
Never heard of a new GM not bringing in his own QB over two offseasons.
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Emery in Chicago is sticking with Cutler. They treat him like he’s the second coming.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
The news earlier today, that the Chiefs have traded for 49ers QB Alex Smith, is wildly unpopular. As far as we can tell, the fans in KC are angry.
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I would be too. Faced with the choice of selecting Geno or getting Alex, I take Geno. Matt Cassell all over again. QB that excels with the right pieces and team.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:09 pm
Chiefs gave up waaaay too much for Smith, IMO.
I would have thought ONLY a mid round 2nd pick would have been probably a tad high.
The 1st overall 2nd, which is annually a major bargaining and trade down play, as well as a conditional?
Fleeced.
KC will continue to blow azz.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Cutler is an elite, franchise QB.
With Flacco getting his ring, I think him and Matt Ryan are the best QB’s in the NFL without a ring now.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
My two cents, Raiders Draft in the 1st Round…
Chance Warmack.
Bolster the line significantly with the best Guard prospect in yrs.
Get rid of Carlisle.
McFadden and the O run way way Downhill, in a division with Manning you need a very good running game to chew the clock.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
While the Chiefs did give up too much for Alex, it did easily, and firmly put the Oakland Raiders into the distinction of worst QB in the divison now.
That is without any doubt.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:14 pm
Good point .. is nothing is set in stone till march 12. Cheifs still can back out.. and draft GENO if they want.. or trade their number 1 pick away to a team that wants GENO.
Lets say they dont do that. JAX could be next to trade their pick.
Believe me come draft time.. or a week b4 alot of teams will start picking up on GENO
February 27th, 2013 at 7:18 pm
There isn’t a chance in hell we can get a super early 2nd and a conditional mid round pick for Carson.
None whatsoever.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:20 pm
I’d be cool with a 4th rounder at this point for carson
February 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Roch R Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
My two cents, Raiders Draft in the 1st Round…
Chance Warmack.
Bolster the line significantly with the best Guard prospect in yrs.
Get rid of Carlisle.
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Exactly who i want if we go offense but who could argue if they go defense
McFadden and the O run way way Downhill, in a division with Manning you need a very good running game to chew the clock.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:11 pm
Cutler is an elite, franchise QB.
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WHAT???
CUTLER???
You’re kidding right? Palmer’s numbers are even better than his and u think Palmer is a schlep.
Cutler was like the 26th rated passer in the league last yr.
I’m sure espn’s “qbr” can be pulled in case of emergency, but ELITE?
February 27th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
THE FACT THAT THERE R VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS ON GENO SMITH SAY’S TO ME HE IS NOT WORTH THE 3RD OVERALL.AQUIRE MORE PICKS AND IMPROVE THIS TEAM WITH QUALITY AND QUANTITY..
February 27th, 2013 at 7:27 pm
Cutler was 20th in QBR by ESPN standards, with quite possibly the worst offensive line in NFL history.
Managed to get them to 10-6, and lost on a tiebreaker for the playoffs.
Went to the NFC championship game in 2010, putting up 40 then 38 points in week 15 and 16 to clinch the #1 seed, then threw up another 35 points in the first playoff game.
Dude is awesome. I would put Matt Ryan just slightly ahead of him.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:28 pm
2012:
Cutler 19 td’s 22 to’s 81.3 rtng.
Palmer 22 td’s 19 to’s 85.3 rtng.
Career:
Cutler 84.0 rtng.
Palmer 86.2 rtng.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
QBR is flawed. In fact part of its very calculation is a “secret” held by ESPN.
A mind numbing example of how ridiculous QBR can be in determining the value of a QB’s performance is cited:
“Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos’ Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers, Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com wrote that he’ll “continue to ignore ESPN’s Total QBR stat.”[10] Rodgers himself was surprised: “I saw the [QBR stats] and chuckled to myself. I played a full game, [Tebow] played the half. He completed four passes, I completed 26. I think it incorporates QB runs as well … The weighting of it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.”[11]
February 27th, 2013 at 7:42 pm
Curry had 51 points 2nite.. but dayumm warriors missing LEE.
Two turnerovers the last two mintues by steph cost the warriors the game.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:44 pm
Man fck Klay and Barnes.
Worse 2-3 starting combo in the NBA.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
9 points on 4-17 shooting from your starting 2 guard and SF?
While getting busted on defensively all game?
Pathetic.
Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, they are not Priest.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
However STEPH put up 50 points (54) in the garden. Thats baller status.
Talking about showing up
February 27th, 2013 at 7:48 pm
im getting kinda tired of Klay Thompson.
Warriors will be a team nobody wants to play in the playoffs tho.. them and Pacers.
Warriors still ONE MORE GOOD PLAYER away from really contending
February 27th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Klay and Barnes are pretty much catch and shoot ONLY players right now.
Anyone who thinks Barnes is going to be some type of superstar is huffing glue.
He gets plays where a point guard is on him 10 feet from the basket, and he can’t even get a shot up. He gets stripped like EVERYTIME in those situations.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:56 pm
At least the Warriors are watchable now.
Bazemore’s development…pay attention to this, and that might lend some clues as to what happens with Thompson or Barnes.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Sorry to cloud this here football board with hoops talk, but that was a huge game for the Dubs, and got an epic, historic performance from Steph, and his teammates all cowered.
Games are a lot tougher and more physical at this time of the year, these other guys need to put their big boy pants on, quickly.
February 27th, 2013 at 7:59 pm
I agree.. it kinda pissed me off for 1. They were finally on national tv
curry was showing out.. and he got no help.. That was horrible what Jack did the last minute.. then curry had two turnovers but if it wasnt for him they wouldnt be in that game.
No question its a different game if LEE is in there.. box out chandler. Chandler was just doing anythin he wanted.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:01 pm
We got murdered on 2nd chance points, which was mostly Chandler controlling the boards.
Jack’s end of game decision-making was awful, but can’t bang on him too much because he has been so good in those situations all year.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Starting to see some FA moves scrollig across the screen now, I am thinking we got at least one or two moves by this weekend.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Nah im not blaming Jack or Curry at all. They were trying to make stuff happen.
Just missed out big boys out there like lee. Had 28 boards the other night. No way Chandler is that good.. but 2nite he had nobody to tell him different.
i agree the 2nd chance shooting. Leaving Melo open for 3’s not good.
Who u think warriors will pick up? I thought they should have made a move trade day
February 27th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
Cutler was 20th in QBR by ESPN standards, with quite possibly the worst offensive line in NFL history.
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No excuses allowed, remember. Palmer hater rules.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
there is always the chance that the 49ers and chiefs are blowing smoke. nothing is set in stone for a couple weeks.49ers could get a better offer and take it too
February 27th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Trade Down and land a second round pick in the process – then, start filling the holes, with defense first
February 27th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
Arrowhead Pride(SBNation blog) has 7 or 8 posts about Alex, all today obviously. One of them has over 8,200 comments.
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/
February 27th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
No excuses allowed, remember. Palmer hater rules.
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Palmer’s O-line looks like the Hogs compared to the Bears O-line.
And they went 10-6, not 4-12.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Who u think warriors will pick up? I thought they should have made a move trade day
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They need a slasher with size, a 2/3. Barnes seems like some nights he can handle it defensively, but offensively he is just light years away.
What they really need is a 25 year old Richard Jefferson. Too bad we have the 35 year old version.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
No excuses allowed, remember. Palmer hater rules.
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Palmer’s O-line looks like the Hogs compared to the Bears O-line.
And they went 10-6, not 4-12.
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Right. And who on the Raiders played Brandon Marshall? And Matt Forte? And Lance Briggs? And Brian Urlacher? And Devin Hester? And Julius Peppers? I forget…
February 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Dawgs By Nature @DawgsByNature
So the same franchise that traded a 2nd for Cassel just traded a 2nd for Alex Smith? Einstein was right, the Chiefs are stupid…
5:58 PM – 27 Feb 13
February 27th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Vegas,
So…Cutler is an elite, franchise QB and Palmer is just a stale, schmuck, huh?
Even though Palmer’s season AND career stats are superior.
An elite, franchise QB whose led the Bears and Broncos (two glamour franchises) to ONE playoff appearance in seven seasons???
Plus, the guy’s just universally regarded as a world class jerk.
Cuntler had the Bears at 10-6 and on the verge of the playoffs, huh.
You sure Matt Forte and that Bears defense didn’t have anything to do with that? You know….Julius Peppers, Urlacher, Lance Briggs and one dude in their secondary who probably forced more turnovers than the entire Raider defense combined.
Might of had something to do with it. Unbelievable.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Fck looks like if the whiners, Chiefs trade holds up the whiners r gonna go after Revis that would totally suck if they land him
February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
I keep forgetting on this kooky blog the Qb is responsible for the MLB, the kick returner, the RB, the DE’s…
February 27th, 2013 at 8:33 pm
If the Alex ‘pick six’ Smith trade goes it helps us on a couple of levels.
1) Alex Smith sucks and the chiefs with continue to suck with him at QB maybe slightly less but honestly we know he’s a punk. He’s really the guy we saw his first 5 years in the league not the last 2 with the team full of studs and the division weak.
2) Geno Smith will be available at #3. And there will be trade partners. We will have an opportunity to get 2-3 extra picks (this year and perhaps next) in a trade down. The Eagles will definitely take Geno Smith at #4 and every teams knows it – we can now move down to #8 or so and then move even down again and fill our needs in the trenches with the depth in this draft where we really need it.
Hope the trade goes through as advertised.
GO RAIDERS!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Vegas,
So…Cutler is an elite, franchise QB and Palmer is just a stale, schmuck, huh?
Even though Palmer’s season AND career stats are superior.
An elite, franchise QB whose led the Bears and Broncos (two glamour franchises) to ONE playoff appearance in seven seasons???
Plus, the guy’s just universally regarded as a world class jerk.
Cuntler had the Bears at 10-6 and on the verge of the playoffs, huh.
You sure Matt Forte and that Bears defense didn’t have anything to do with that? You know….Julius Peppers, Urlacher, Lance Briggs and one dude in their secondary who probably forced more turnovers than the entire Raider defense combined.
Might of had something to do with it. Unbelievable.
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Thank you.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Fck looks like if the whiners, Chiefs trade holds up the whiners r gonna go after Revis that would totally suck if they land him
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I’m all for it. The Whiners can build another “dream team”. We all know what happens with those.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
So…Cutler is an elite, franchise QB and Palmer is just a stale, schmuck, huh?
Even though Palmer’s season AND career stats are superior.
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Palmer was a better QB when he was younger and was in the same crowd Cutler is now.
Borderline elite, franchise QB without a ring.
But he is 33 years old, with all kinds of knee and elbow ligament issues, and just can’t bring it 16 games a year.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:39 pm
Palmer’s O-line looks like the Hogs compared to the Bears O-line.
The one with Willie Smith and a one legged Brisiel?
February 27th, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Fck looks like if the whiners, Chiefs trade holds up the whiners r gonna go after Revis that would totally suck if they land him
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I’m all for it. The Whiners can build another “dream team”. We all know what happens with those.
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ya i just dont wanna hear about it from there fans
February 27th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Cutler also had the best 4th quarter QB rating in the NFL
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?year=2012&type=Passing&range=NFL&rank=110
February 27th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
What’s going on fellas?
Glad to be alive!!
R8eray woke up this morning with a bellyache thinking he
got food poisoning from some leftover ribs from Saturday’s
cookout… So I checked himself in at Valley Hospital turns
out I had Appendicitis and needed it taken out before it
burst-ed…glad I did!!
What I can’t get over, is the fact they released me just 2
hours after surgery…but it’s all good!!!
r8eray is a soldier!!!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Draft is deep where we need it to be – CB, DT, OG, RT, LB, DE, RB – lots of talent to be had in the middle rounds. If we can trade down and get 4-5 quality picks (read: starters) in the first 4 rounds we will improve drastically.
Make it happen Reggie. Let’s make this the year the start of the Empire Strikes Back!
February 27th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Andy Reid vs Dennis Allen?
February 27th, 2013 at 8:46 pm
R8eray Glad ur good and well welcome back
February 27th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:31 pm
Vegas,
So…Cutler is an elite, franchise QB and Palmer is just a stale, schmuck, huh?
Even though Palmer’s season AND career stats are superior.
An elite, franchise QB whose led the Bears and Broncos (two glamour franchises) to ONE playoff appearance in seven seasons???
Plus, the guy’s just universally regarded as a world class jerk.
Cuntler had the Bears at 10-6 and on the verge of the playoffs, huh.
You sure Matt Forte and that Bears defense didn’t have anything to do with that? You know….Julius Peppers, Urlacher, Lance Briggs and one dude in their secondary who probably forced more turnovers than the entire Raider defense combined.
Might of had something to do with it. Unbelievable.
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Thank you.
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Plus, it’s one thing to “retire” at the end of a season and be willing to walk away from over 12 mill. dollars in income and another to quit on your team in the second half of the NFC Championship game against your long time hated rival.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Holy sh1t, R8eray! Thank God for bad ribs. Glad you’re OK.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
But he is 33 years old, with all kinds of knee and elbow ligament issues, and just can’t bring it 16 games a year.
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Looked fine to me all last year. Unless you think he should’ve sucked it up and kept playing with cracked ribs and a bruised lung? Which, if you remember, he was going to do. Came back out of the locker room putting on his helmet.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:53 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Dawgs By Nature @DawgsByNature
So the same franchise that traded a 2nd for Cassel just traded a 2nd for Alex Smith? Einstein was right, the Chiefs are stupid…
5:58 PM – 27 Feb 13
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In this strange universe that we live in, I can see this possible scenario playing out. Smith in KC does what he does and manages the Offense. With Reid and the weapons they have the Chiefs win the AFC West.
In week 7 Kappy blows something up and can’t finish the rest of the season.
It’s called Karma.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Glad you’re alright, R8eray. Question… how did you know it was and not just a nasty belly ache from some foul meat?
I ask because I’ve had some bad episodes after eating suspect food and want to make sure I don’t ignore the signs. I know that’s a serious issue.
Again, glad you’re alright.
February 27th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
post 797 should read ‘how did you know it was serious’
February 27th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:45 pm
Andy Reid vs Dennis Allen?
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DA sucks – but Reid is not what he seems and is frankly over the hill he will fail, slowly, painfully, beautifully. The AlexBomb trade confirms it. Chiefs *might* get to 8-8 this season but who cares, we will have to endure another rebuild year in 2013 and come strong in 2014 with a new HC coach (maybe Tarver, I really like this guy as a leader and the next ‘real Gruden’) and have our house in order. Reggie knows his stuff and will get it right with one more year to get this mess squared away. Expect greatness again, but not this year and I laugh at the Queefs. What’s Reid’s contract number and commitment again??? lol
February 27th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
The Raiders have one big thing going for it in this years draft. Needs at the positions that are deep in the draft. I expect us to get players with *almost* every pick that can potentially start day 1 and at new CBA prices with 4 year deals.
GO RAIDERS!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:01 pm
I think Vegas is still secretly a Palmer fan. He knew he’d start a sh1t storm in here and loves reading the pro Palmer missives.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
another to quit on your team in the second half of the NFC Championship game against your long time hated rival.
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Your not serious are you?
Dude had ligament issues with his knee, and Coach Smith said they wouldn’t let him in the game even though he wanted to.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011-01-24/sports/ct-spt-0124-bears-haugh-chicago–20110123_1_jay-cutler-truer-gauge-toughness
February 27th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
Glad you’re alright, R8eray. Question… how did you know it was and not just a nasty belly ache from some foul meat?
I ask because I’ve had some bad episodes after eating suspect food and want to make sure I don’t ignore the signs. I know that’s a serious issue.
Again, glad you’re alright.
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I initially went to the ER for food poisoning on my mind, after the CT scan they diagnosed me with appendicitis!
I wasn’t ready for surgery…I’m thinking IV, antibiotics and on my way home!
Regardless…I aint eating old meat/food thats left out over night…period!!
I learned my lesson even though it wasn’t food poisoning!!
I need to start watching what I eat too, I still think I’m 18 years old (even though I still look it) but I’m not…I’m 34 married with children!
February 27th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
One of the first things I look at is the HC matchup.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
ian85 Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Fck looks like if the whiners, Chiefs trade holds up the whiners r gonna go after Revis that would totally suck if they land him
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On the contrary – he won’t be the same player he was before knee surgery and he’ll demand the highest pay in the league. I welcome that shnigs. Niners won’t get back to the SB this year – their division is alot better now – look what the Rams and Seahawks did to them last half of the season.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:07 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
Glad you’re alright, R8eray. Question… how did you know it was and not just a nasty belly ache from some foul meat?
I ask because I’ve had some bad episodes after eating suspect food and want to make sure I don’t ignore the signs. I know that’s a serious issue.
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Being the quick thinker that he is, he gave some to his best freind and/or wife. When they didn’t get sick, he knew trouble was brewing!
Just joking.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
I was reading thru the comments a lil while back and people were talking about the number of potential Palmer TD’s that were dropped. They said they had seen a stat that it was 13. But they could only come up with a couple. A drop by DHB (surprise) and the one that Myers clanked for an end zone int.
13 sounds waaay high to me, I’d probably put it at four or five. I can definitely add one to their list.
Like I said earlier today, recently watched last years game at arrowhead. Leading 3-0 Carson drove Oak inside the 15 halfway through 1st qtr.
On 2nd he did what most of his critics say he can’t do…rolled out, extended the play…bought time for DMoore to uncover at the goalline and threw a perfect strike. Right thru his MF’n hands. Easiest TD ever.
On 3rd down they run a slant to Streeter who’s held. Soloman Wilcots is screaming for the flag. Raiders don’t get the call. Eric Berry nearly intercepts Palmer’s pass in the endzone…right where Rod should have been. Palmer’s critics would’ve had a field day w/ the “turnover machine”. Wouldn’t have been his fault. Oh well.
Later, in the game after a penalty Oakland faced 3rd and 24. While in the grasp of J Huston..on the way to the ground..he had the presence of mind to throw a strike to Brandon Myers (another stat compiler) who rumbled for 31 yds and a 1st down.
Carson Palmer is the least of this teams problems. Seriously.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:23 pm
Carson Palmer is the least of this teams problems. Seriously.
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We shall see.
Clearly we have upgraded the OC, the HC is not a rookie, and they will add some pieces around him and the team.
Or, they will can him and bring in someone else.
Either way, we WILL get an answer to whether the above statement is fact or fiction.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
after going through multiple phases of opinion on what the raiders should do with this 3rd overall pick, i’m actually ok with any of the proposed scenarios.
-Geno Smith
-Trade down (personal favorite)
-DE/DT/OL/G
all of these scenarios i see greatly improving this team. can’t wait till march 12th
February 27th, 2013 at 9:31 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
I was reading thru the comments a lil while back and people were talking about the number of potential Palmer TD’s that were dropped.
13 sounds waaay high to me, I’d probably put it at four or five.
While in the grasp of J Huston..on the way to the ground..he had the presence of mind to throw a strike to Brandon Myers (another stat compiler) who rumbled for 31 yds and a 1st down.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Yeah I hear ya.
Only DT/NT I would be okay with at #3 would be Star though. Don’t want Floyd or Richardson either.
I would be good with Jordan, Werner or Ansah and even Mingo. Mingo is more of a 3-4 stand up OLB though, but think he can rush the passer from a down position out wide.
Kinda like how Seattle uses the speed rusher Irvin they drafted last year.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
can someone explain to me how the raiders leaking interest in geno smith is beneficial if we want to trade down? wouldn’t that just increase phone calls for Jax’s pick at 2?
February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
Holy sh1t, R8eray! Thank God for bad ribs. Glad you’re OK.
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Damn bro. You are a fvcking soldier. Food poisoning would have been cheaper though LOL.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:44 pm
irjonny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
can someone explain to me how the raiders leaking interest in geno smith is beneficial if we want to trade down? wouldn’t that just increase phone calls for Jax’s pick at 2?
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Not necessarily. Teams would have to pay a bit more to Jags to move up to #2 compared to #3.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:46 pm
oops
Buckeyeraider Says:
I was reading thru the comments a lil while back and people were talking about the number of potential Palmer TD’s that were dropped.
13 sounds waaay high to me, I’d probably put it at four or five.
While in the grasp of J Huston..on the way to the ground..he had the presence of mind to throw a strike to Brandon Myers (another stat compiler) who rumbled for 31 yds and a 1st down
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All those stats do tend to even out over time, though. Every QB has what should’ve beens from his receivers and a couple hail mary picks added to his Int’s. Which is why it’s silly to extrapolate excessively, good or bad, on Pryor’s one start. Too small a sampling.
I remember Palmer making lots of throws with pass rushers hanging off him with good results. Maybe ‘cuz he didn’t have time to make a boneheaded decision. Hey, I like Palmer but I’m not oblivious. He’s a big strong guy, not easy to bring down, like Big Ben. Both 6′5,Carson’s a couple pounds lighter.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
Ray
I remeber one time years ago after partying pretty good my brother in law up rummaging through the fridge in the middle of the night, no big deal.
Next thing I know this dude is sicker than hell, pukin, and carrying on. In the morning he is still hatin life and of course I am givinghim the business. Finally gets to the point of WTF is wrong with ya dude.
Turns out he found some home made salsa I had made (A month and a half ago) LMAO. I thought I killed the poor SOB> Oh well shvt happens.
February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
makes sense i guess. anyways i see the 49ers as a new player in the trade scenario. with their recent success makes sense for them to get a playmaker with a high pick.
they hold the 30th, 33rd and 64th i believe. could be a scenario where we trade with the cards, browns, bills then again with the 49ers. heres hoping
February 27th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
i meant cards, brown or bills. not all of them lol
February 27th, 2013 at 9:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 7:41 pm
QBR is flawed. In fact part of its very calculation is a “secret” held by ESPN.
A mind numbing example of how ridiculous QBR can be in determining the value of a QB’s performance is cited:
“Further controversy erupted when the Total QBR system gave the Denver Broncos’ Tim Tebow a higher rating than the Green Bay Packers’ Aaron Rodgers in their respective Week 5 contests in 2011. Noting that Rodgers completed 26 of 39 passes for 396 yards and two touchdowns in a win over the Atlanta Falcons, while Tebow completed four of 10 passes for 79 yards and a touchdown, and six rushes for 38 yards and a touchdown, in a loss to the San Diego Chargers, Mike Florio of Profootballtalk.com wrote that he’ll “continue to ignore ESPN’s Total QBR stat.”[10] Rodgers himself was surprised: “I saw the [QBR stats] and chuckled to myself. I played a full game, [Tebow] played the half. He completed four passes, I completed 26. I think it incorporates QB runs as well … The weighting of it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.”[11]
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that QBR is utter BS….everyone knows that except BSPN people….
February 27th, 2013 at 9:56 pm
A part of me would like this Geno thing to be a little more universally accepted and not have to hear the “Al Davis lives… hahahahaha” jokes about us. It is not my primary concern to have the nod of approval from the pundits, but i’m already seeing these type of comments on message boards at the mere rumor about Reggie being interested.
“Raiders reaching for a QB…no way..hahahaha”. “Didn’t they learn from Jamarcus Russell?”. “Chalk up another 1st rd. bust for Oakland” “I thought things were gonna change when Al Davis died”. “Same old Raiders”. etc. etc. etc.
No, I don’t like reading that stuff and I don’t care… if we can throw it back in their face, but Geno Smith does not inspire that confidence that we will.
I see his highlights and they’re awesome, but there is a reason most of the top analysts and gurus don’t think he comes anywhere close to being worthy of a top 5 pick and not seeing alot of WVU action this past yr. it’s the only thing I have to go on outside of some of the overzealous optimism I see here.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:01 pm
Fair enough, post 808..Vegas.
Off topic for just a sec fellas..
Already put in a week’s vacation for the 4th of July. Going back home to see friends and family for the first time in over a year. The Girls are already asking…Can we go to a Red’s game, Dad, Can we? They were lil Reds Heads Jr Boosters..lol.
Anyways, defending WS Champs Los Gigantes are in town for a post season rematch. GABP oughtta be rockin’ on the 4th of July! Gonna try to catch at least one of em.
Man, I’m still a lil bitter over last year. I was so pizzed after Cincy let that series slip away I barely watched the rest of the post season.
Congrats to your SF Giants, but this year will belong to the Reds!
February 27th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Top-12-Highest-Scoring-Regular-Season-Games/be1ef9cd-0ff5-4221-8a96-d2c8009d5890
Hmmmmmmm…Highest scoring game in Raider history in his 1st year here & we get Denise.
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Yep. Sad huh?
February 27th, 2013 at 10:02 pm
irjonny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:49 pm
makes sense i guess. anyways i see the 49ers as a new player in the trade scenario. with their recent success makes sense for them to get a playmaker with a high pick.
they hold the 30th, 33rd and 64th i believe. could be a scenario where we trade with the cards, browns, bills then again with the 49ers. heres hoping
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Yeah. I could see the 49ers going up to get a difference-maker. They’ve got like 15 picks in this draft. They almost have to deal a bunch of those picks. No way are 15 rookies are making their roster. Maybe we could get their 31, 34, 4th, 6th and 7th round picks or something like that. Sounds like alot. Probably too much.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:04 pm
If Star is cleared, then I think he will be the Raider pick. I would like to see Jordan considered also.
Geno may still be in play. Depending how he interviews and his board work for teams.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:06 pm
irjonny Says:
after going through multiple phases of opinion on what the raiders should do with this 3rd overall pick, i’m actually ok with any of the proposed scenarios.
-Geno Smith
-Trade down (personal favorite)
-DE/DT/OL/G
all of these scenarios i see greatly improving this team. can’t wait till march 12th
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Real, real good chance you’re gonna be a happy man, then.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Just caught the tail end of Al Davis: A Football Life on the NLFN. Really such a damn shame Hue was let go at the end of that season. He was really carrying the torch for the Raiders after Al passed.
To me, there were kind of two parts to Al’s passing. The first is obvious. The second was when Hue was fired. That pretty much broke the historic connection, the philosophy and the personality of the Raiders and sent us on a trajectory to not just 4-12, but also to this state of striving to be anything other than what the Raiders have always been about.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
If you google “Geno Smith Raiders” you get a slew of articles about it.
I see alot of outlets saying it’s something we might do, but hardly any saying it’s a good thing.
I trust that alot of these guys have watched way more Geno than I have, and I wonder how many here who are all for it have truly watched anything more than his highlight reel and are more just in love with the idea of having a longshot chance of snagging our franchise QB in spite of what most everybody is saying we’d really be getting.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
826, I hear ya Chris. I watched some of that again tonight as well, and I agree about Hue. Alot of guys say it was all b.s from him but I don’t believe that to be the case.
The whole thing was just unfortunate to put it nicely and undeserved….unless you count getting his nails done and making a few rookie mistakes as unforgivable affronts to Raider fans.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:16 pm
Interesting graphic just now on NFLN. They showed the 7 fastest combine 40 times since 2008. WR prospect Marquise Goodwin (who I kind of like) clocked in at 2. But the funny thing is that 4 or the 6 who’ve already been drafted into the league were tabbed by the Raiders – DVD, Ford, DHB and Branch.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:20 pm
The main knock on Hue is easy if u point to the Palmer trade and what we gave up.
If the defense makes one dang stop against SD that last game in 2011 then Hue looks like the genius and Palmer the hero for leading us to our first playoff appearance in almost a decade and after beating Pittsburgh at home the next week it becomes impossible for Reggie to fire him and who knows what happens in 2012.
It didn’t happen so it is what it is I guess.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
irjonny Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
can someone explain to me how the raiders leaking interest in geno smith is beneficial if we want to trade down? wouldn’t that just increase phone calls for Jax’s pick at 2?
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Yes and KC with the #1 pick, Im sure KC would love to get an offer for the #1 pick, heck they might even be planning on it with what they gave up for Alex, they could get both those picks back.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Chris in NY Says:
Interesting graphic just now on NFLN. They showed the 7 fastest combine 40 times since 2008. WR prospect Marquise Goodwin (who I kind of like) clocked in at 2. But the funny thing is that 4 or the 6 who’ve already been drafted into the league were tabbed by the Raiders – DVD, Ford, DHB and Branch.
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Taiwan Jones must’ve been # 8.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:40 pm
Chris in NY,
I liked a lot about Hue also. Loved his offense. Had DMac and the running game humming. Liked his game planning and play calling. They were excellent running screens. Devastating. Also, had a lot of well designed and executed reverses, utilizing multiple players. Gimmicky or not, they were effective.
And like you’ve said before…Hue had a pair of brass ones. Big Ones. Nothing conservative about him. Aggressive to almost to the point of reckless. He was exciting.
I would’ve liked to see him get a shot with another DC.
HOWEVER, his team did lose 4 out of 5 to miss out on the playoffs…which were firmly in their grasp….and then that rambling press conference. If he didn’t throw his own self overboard, he surely walked his azz to the end of the plank. I believe he even stated he regretted some of his comments.
I know you’re not sold on the new regime, but…
Mr. Davis died. RIP. His son is not a football man, so he turned to three of his father’s most trusted and respected advisors. The best and brightest of all of Al’s right hand men, John Madden, Kenny Herock and Ron Wolf…who recommended Big Reggie. A former Raider who’d paid his dues and worked his way up the Packers org.
Apparently, either Mark, Reg or both weren’t sold on Hue. Obviously they chose Dennis Allen. The initial results were underwhelming…but he is a well respected, up and coming coach from the Parcells/Sean Payton coaching tree. That’s what we were told.
I guess what I’m saying is.. give the regime a chance.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:41 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
I was reading thru the comments a lil while back and people were talking about the number of potential Palmer TD’s that were dropped. They said they had seen a stat that it was 13. But they could only come up with a couple. A drop by DHB (surprise) and the one that Myers clanked for an end zone int.
13 sounds waaay high to me, I’d probably put it at four or five. I can definitely add one to their list.
Like I said earlier today, recently watched last years game at arrowhead. Leading 3-0 Carson drove Oak inside the 15 halfway through 1st qtr.
On 2nd he did what most of his critics say he can’t do…rolled out, extended the play…bought time for DMoore to uncover at the goalline and threw a perfect strike. Right thru his MF’n hands. Easiest TD ever.
On 3rd down they run a slant to Streeter who’s held. Soloman Wilcots is screaming for the flag. Raiders don’t get the call. Eric Berry nearly intercepts Palmer’s pass in the endzone…right where Rod should have been. Palmer’s critics would’ve had a field day w/ the “turnover machine”. Wouldn’t have been his fault. Oh well.
Later, in the game after a penalty Oakland faced 3rd and 24. While in the grasp of J Huston..on the way to the ground..he had the presence of mind to throw a strike to Brandon Myers (another stat compiler) who rumbled for 31 yds and a 1st down.
Carson Palmer is the least of this teams problems. Seriously.
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See Buckeye, the problem you have is you are actually watching the games, and breaking down the plays. You could do that, and find that Palmer is a remarkable player. Or, you could emote, cry, whine, and blame Palmer for everything wrong with the franchise over the last ten years. Which is what most here do.
February 27th, 2013 at 10:49 pm
See Buckeye, the problem you have is you are actually watching the games, and breaking down the plays. You could do that, and find that Palmer is a remarkable player. Or, you could emote, cry, whine, and blame Palmer for everything wrong with the franchise over the last ten years. Which is what most here do.
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Sure, crybaby.
February 27th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
With all this smoke screen Geno Smith to Oakland talk is obvious that:
1.- Raiders DO NOT want Geno Smith
2.- All 32 GM and HC know Raiders won’t take Geno Smith
3.- RM is raising his hand to let know all the qb needy teams that Geno Smith will be available at 3rd.
4.- He is ready to listen offers
5.- Possible teams are Bills and Cards with the Jets being the black horse
February 27th, 2013 at 11:09 pm
Trade down with Detroit, ay #5, we would still be able to draft Geno, top OT (whichever of the three are left), or Jordan
February 27th, 2013 at 11:26 pm
G’night fellas
February 27th, 2013 at 11:27 pm
Not sure if this was asked before;
Now that the Chiefs aquired Smith from the 49ers and the Jaguars have Gabbert, do we have any leverage with the 3rd pick? Is there anyone else that might want to trade with us in order to get Geno? If this is not the case, do we draft Geno and if so what happens to Palmer?
Raider on!
February 27th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
KoolKell Says: See Buckeye, the problem you have is you are actually watching the games, and breaking down the plays. You could do that, and find that Palmer is a remarkable player. Or, you could emote, cry, whine, and blame Palmer for everything wrong with the franchise over the last ten years. Which is what most here do.
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Sure, crybaby.
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He11, KK, all I did the other night was post the play by play breakdown of all 11 of Pryors possessions in his only start and you and Priest completely broke down and started a support group.
Crybaby.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:02 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
do we have any leverage with the 3rd pick? Is there anyone else that might want to trade with us in order to get Geno?
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What’s up, Miami? You haven’t been here in a while have you? Or have we been skillfully avoiding each other?
Geno is not the only leverage for us at # 3. Probably not even the strongest. Lots of needs out there and lots of good players in the draft.
Some were talking up ‘Frisco earlier which I hadn’t really thought about. They got 15 frickin’ picks and not that many needs. Think they might want an impact player at #3? And the Rams got a lot of picks but more needs but maybe they don’t want to see San Fran get that #3.
Lots of options and lots of time for some team to find a player they have to have. I’d like Warmack at 3 but maybe Detroit trades with us and he’s still there at 8(I think).
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 am
Is it likely Reggie and Palmer’s agent anticipated this situation and already had a tentative agreement in place?
by purvisman 11:57 AM yesterday
Absolutely. This isn’t something that just crossed Reggie McKenzie’s mind.
by scorkran 11:57 AM yesterday
February 28th, 2013 at 12:29 am
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
“@lizardsanchez: whole Holmgren thing is annoying. I thought we already had a GM. Raiders love drama.” >> Davis really unhappy w/ last year
someone tweeted vic this.. and vic responded in the last sentence.
i agree.. stuff seems “wierd”
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Maybe Davis is getting his replacement team in place. Sporano is assistant HC and Holmgren is gm in waiting?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:59 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
No excuses allowed, remember. Palmer hater rules.
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Palmer’s O-line looks like the Hogs compared to the Bears O-line.
And they went 10-6, not 4-12.
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Right. And who on the Raiders played Brandon Marshall? And Matt Forte? And Lance Briggs? And Brian Urlacher? And Devin Hester? And Julius Peppers? I forget…
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This is why I can never get a grip on the reasoning people give for praising Palmer. It goes something like this:
Palmer is better than Cutler.
Why?
Because he has a better record.
Don’t know if that’s true but for the sake of argument let’s say it is. So that means a QB’s won loss record determines the superiority or inferiority of one QB compared to another.
Wait a minute. Only a fool would base the worthiness of a QB on his won/loss record. It’s a team game. That’s why Palmer is superior to Cutler because Cutler had a much better supporting cast. That why he went 10-6 which doesn’t mean anything because you can’t base the worth of a QB on his won loss record. Take JC for instance.
OK. Let’s say we accept that. So the mark of a superior QB is to win in spite of not having all world personnel at all the key positions. So if that is the standard then Palmer is an inferior QB because he couldn’t over come the play of his inferior teammates even though he had a better OL than Cutler.
Look, even if you brought in Brady or Rodgers or Peyton the result would still be the same. The defense and receivers stink.
So why do we need Palmer if Brady and Rodgers can’t get it done?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:33 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/report-raiders-interested-in-geno-smith/
wow!!
no mention of Smith’s passing skill at all
just another mobile QB that the Raiders would reach for?
Florio is a tool
February 28th, 2013 at 4:35 am
Look, even if you brought in Brady or Rodgers or Peyton the result would still be the same.
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Attn: Logic
please change your screen name immediately.
wait, is it opposites day??
February 28th, 2013 at 4:37 am
Palmer = #3
in 3 months you’ll be outta here!!
February 28th, 2013 at 5:06 am
RRS…
you are too funny…
1) you say KC did a bad deal trading for Smith
2) next you say we should trade for Cassel, a player KC found to light
does not compute..
February 28th, 2013 at 5:36 am
Casell is suppose to have a weak arm and is inaccurate?
Somehow he racked up a fantastic year in NE. Call that the system and say any QB could do it but he also had a great year his second in KC.
Romeo may be more to blame for how far the chiefs fell.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:56 am
I liked Florio at first because I like little guy makes it big stories and his PFT was very entertaining.
Now it has been bought out by the big corps and Mike has become the typical PC dikhed who thinks he knows what is best for everyone else.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:07 am
Franchise is a mess then got to get a new stadium built or moved to Los Angeles and daddy’s little boy don’t know how to do it
with Smith in KC we don’t have to worry about the deep ball
Andy Reid is a good coach that team will be tough next year
so will the Broncos are Kansas City in the 500 team or better
February 28th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Good Morning Nation!
Nothing new again? oh well!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:18 am
Logic,
Actually, I think Cutlers record is better than Palmer’s.
It’s not an unreasonable or ‘logical’ argument to say Palmer has been ‘better’ than Cutler. What is the first thing we do when comparing QB’s…usually? We compare stats.
Palmer’s career numbers are better than Cutlers. He has a higher rating at 86.2 and Cutler is at 82.4 (I believe). Even as recent as this past yr. Palmer had a 85.3 rating and Cutler around 81.
Also, the big knock on Palmer is he’s a “turnover machine”. Well Palmer had 19 total to’s to Cutlers 21..and Palmer had more td’s as well.
Palmer haters will then resort to plan b and say Palmer had ‘garbage stats’ and a lower QBR than Cutler and round and round we go.
I don’t think much of Cutler, so to me it’s not that impressive anyway, it all started with the notion that Cutler was an “elite” qb. That’s how this started.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:19 am
* woops I meant it’s not “il-logical” argument.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:23 am
With all that talent Andy Reid has had the last 3 yr’s Philly has the same record as the Raiders over that time.
He’s historically had winning teams, but you can’t just dismiss the last 3 years as meaningless.
He doesn’t scare me that much as a coach…no more so than any other guy they’d bring in.
They could be good though. They have some talent.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:24 am
all 49ers quarterbacks end up in Kansas City only Joe MontanaUp the Pl., Kansas City the boneyard for 49ers quarterbacks
February 28th, 2013 at 6:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
Attn: Logic
please change your screen name immediately.
wait, is it opposites day??
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Was gonna re-read it after my first cup of coffee and see if it computed any better.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:28 am
LMN,
Cassel was benched in favor of Brady Quinn
Moore was benched in favor of Ryan Tannehill
neither of these guys are gonna cost big bucks on the open market in free agency and BOTH have starting experience. We’re talking about stopgaps here, not long-term solutions
I think we need a couple of vets to compete with TPryor6 – not Geno Smith
February 28th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
It’s a beautiful day to be a Raider fan, isnt it?
Morning hwnrdr
La Milicia Negra
DJ Johnny
Plunketthead
February 28th, 2013 at 6:33 am
And even you, Rockstar!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:42 am
Cult of Palmer? Lol. Awesome handle. Right up there w/ “Golden Haired Hero”.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:44 am
RRS..
I agree Geno isnt something we should touch, but Cassel isnt the answer, to trade for Cassel we would get his huge paycheck, and its backloaded, so we would get the steep end of the deal…
no, jest keep Palmer for a year more, thats what we gotta do, and use the cap space we got on other players.. and then maybe draft a QB in 2014
February 28th, 2013 at 6:45 am
you can’t just dismiss the last 3 years as meaningless.
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@DJG
use your same theory regarding Palmer
he’s won 12 games over the past 3 years and all anybody wants to talk about is how he’s a former Pro Bowler – which was 7 years ago. Perhaps how he was a winner in Cincy, when they made the playoffs twice in his 8 seasons there and he’s never won a playoff game.
Maybe they want to talk about him being a Heisman trophy winner or being selected #1 overall – which was over 10 years ago
the Carson Palmer right now that plays for the Oakland Raiders is a hunk of junk. Thats why everybody wants him to take a paycut or get the heck out. Also why rumors abound that Pryor gets to compete for the starting job or that Reggie will draft a QB 3rd overall
some people just refuse to see what is right in front of their faces!!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Hey Cult of Palmer, it’s been awhile since he’s spoken any wispy words of wisdom.
I have my notebook ready to jot down his eternal truism’s should he grace someone with an interview we can listen to.
I need to know which way to go with my life and until Palmer speaks again I am stuck in this immobile state.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:46 am
I think we need a couple of vets to compete with TPryor6 – not Geno Smith
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YEP…..I can’t do it. I can’t get on the Geno Wagon.
Not with all the Trenchman available in the draft.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:46 am
Good morning.
I want to see the banner “Palmer’s Cult” at the first home game next season.
Make sure you get the spelling right.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:47 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Cult of Palmer? Lol. Awesome handle. Right up there w/ “Golden Haired Hero”.
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 27th, 2013 at 5:47 am by the way, you wanted to know who the Palmer cult members are? stick around for 2 seconds .. they post comments here pretty often (Gdog, SeyGlenn & Purv) to name a few
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You either take offense or run with it!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:48 am
to trade for Cassel we would get his huge paycheck, and its backloaded, so we would get the steep end of the deal…
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LMN,
thats not what i’m suggesting. KC can’t afford to keep both Smith & Cassel. Wait until he’s released and then sign him for peanuts. He’s a Cali boy, so he’d probably love to play for Oakland…
funny part is, he’s best friends with Carson.
Palmer was the best man at Cassel’s wedding, LOL
February 28th, 2013 at 6:49 am
It’s about how the QB is now.
Palmer’s career rating of 86.2 is swayed heavily to when he was a much more better QB. He hasn’t posted a season of 86.2 or more QB rating since the Bush administration.
Meanwhile, Cutler did so, while leading his team to 30+ point games down the stretch of an NFC championship game run.
Cutler’s career is on the up-swing, Palmer’s is on the down-swing.
Was 2005 Carson Palmer better than Cutler? Yeah, probably.
But 2013 Carson isn’t in the same ballpark.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:51 am
Let’s face facts.
We need help at just about every position on defence.
We need help at WR,TE and Oline.
We need so much help the Red Cross should be in touch.
We need as many draft picks as possible.This Geno talk is to try and generate some.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:52 am
LOL @ Cult of Palmer
nice one, Purv!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:53 am
We need as many draft picks as possible.This Geno talk is to try and generate some.
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Agreed. I hope you’re right!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:54 am
I’d love a stud DT or Olineman but the cold hard truth is we need picks.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 am
859.Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 6:31 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
It’s a beautiful day to be a Raider fan, isnt it?
Morning hwnrdr
La Milicia Negra
DJ Johnny
Plunketthead
Good Morning
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 am
863, I see what you’re saying but I don’t see a “hunk of junk”. I don’t see “elite” either. I don’t see a guy who can take a bad team and overcome it to victory…THAT is proven at this point.
I’m not trying to be blindly supportive of him, but it irritates me that by suggesting Palmer “owns” the 4-12 record it suggests the rest of the team somehow gets a pass..especially that pos defense for the first 12 games, or that it should exonerate DMAC, the line…coaches, special teams etc.
I think i’ll start a Palmer tribute band and we’ll sing “Hunk a hunk of burning junk” as one of our songs. The fans will love it, and they can throw stuff at us and then burn Palmer in effigy at the end for an encore.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 am
Cassel. Wait until he’s released and then sign him for peanuts. He’s a Cali boy, so he’d probably love to play for Oakland…
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No phuccin way, bruh!
I can’t believe you would even suggest that.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:57 am
If Palmer restructures, he’s not getting cut.
And then we would not be drafting Geno.
I think it’s that simple.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:58 am
DJ Johnny Says:
Palmer haters will then resort to plan b and say Palmer had ‘garbage stats’ and a lower QBR than Cutler and round and round we go.
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Vegas went so far as to say Palmer’s end of the HALF stats were “Garbage Time” the other day!
February 28th, 2013 at 6:58 am
Palmer will leave, half the board will cry, cite some random stats as why he is “elite”, he will go somewhere, do nothing, and everyone will realize just how overrated he is.
Basically, the exact same thing that happened when Nnamdi left.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:58 am
Is it likely Reggie and Palmer’s agent anticipated this situation and already had a tentative agreement in place?
by purvisman 11:57 AM yesterday
Absolutely. This isn’t something that just crossed Reggie McKenzie’s mind.
by scorkran 11:57 AM yesterday
February 28th, 2013 at 6:59 am
We need help at WR,TE and Oline.
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I think Heyward-Bey is about to take a MASSIVE paycut.
Myers can probably be re-signed cheap enough.
Hagan, Barnes & Carlisle will re-sign for vet minimum 1 year contracts.
Ford is coming back from I.R. along with Duke Calhoun
O-Line needs depth & competition. We can get buy with the starters we have in place. If you recall, the O-Line was pretty solid before Knapp & Pollack came to town
February 28th, 2013 at 7:00 am
I think DHB willingly takes one for the team, and comes back as well.
Once he isn’t making ridiculous money, he might turn into a decent value amongst the 53 if we can get him in some YAC situations.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:01 am
The WR situation needs settling mores than the QB position. We need some playmakers to step up and go get the ball, man!
February 28th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Rockstar…
We’ll probably resign all those players because , with the exception of Ford , no-one else would want them.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:03 am
Vegas went so far as to say Palmer’s end of the HALF stats were “Garbage Time” the other day!
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LOL
But really, can we come out and score on our opening drives? Can we put up pts early and get ahead?
February 28th, 2013 at 7:05 am
DHB needs to be running short routes, not deep ones. Get the ball in his hands quick and let him out-physical folks.
How Olson uses the WRs is going to be key.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:06 am
I guess all our trade talks or cuts wont come till the last possible second..
February 28th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says: Palmer will leave, half the board will cry, cite some random stats as why he is “elite”, he will go somewhere, do nothing, and everyone will realize just how overrated he is.
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I kind of like the “Cult of Palmer” handle, Vegas. You’re welcome to use “Eternal Optimist”
February 28th, 2013 at 7:06 am
Good morning to you all you guys.
JFB, in 2012 Cutler had 21 turnovers and 19 td’s..WORSE than Palmer. That isn’t 2005. Palmer also had better rating not only in 2005 but in 2012 as well.
Cutler had a better record in 2012 and i guess a better qbr rating. I don’t hold stock in ESPN’s made up QBR that would allow that Tebow throwing 4 completions and running for 79 yd’s in a LOSS is better than Rodgers going 26-39 and 3 td’s in a WIN. QBR changes as ESPN analysts see fit. This yr. they decided to add “strength of opposing defense” to the factor.
Cutler also had Brandon Marshall to throw to and he still was more of a “turnover machine” than Palmer last yr.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:07 am
If you recall, the O-Line was pretty solid before Knapp & Pollack came to town
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No it wasn’t.
Right side of Satele, Carlisle, and Barnse was constantly getting bashed.
How many of OUR QBs got sent to the hospital again?
February 28th, 2013 at 7:10 am
How Olson uses the WRs is going to be key.
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exactly!
we don’t need a Bowe or Jennings. We need to fix the “out of whack” contracts and fix the system/scheme
I would argue that we need to draft a RB ahead of QB, WR, TE or OL
DMAC is injury prone and in a contract year. Goodson is a UFA. Jones is moving to CB.
Stewart & Reece = 2 headed RB monster by midseason?
then who is going to play FB?
Jamize Olawale or Jon Hoese?
February 28th, 2013 at 7:10 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Palmer’s career rating of 86.2 is swayed heavily to when he was a much more better QB. He hasn’t posted a season of 86.2 or more QB rating since the Bush administration.
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85.3 last year. Guess we’re not playing horseshoes.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Nobody is gonna be convinced to change their stance on Palmer good or bad.
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club) I just think he gets more crap than he deserves and the “blame” should be more equally distributed.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:13 am
Cutler has produced an 85+ QB rating in 5 of 7 seasons.
Carson has done so in 4 of 9.
His career stats are still hanging on to 2005-06 numbers.
As far as last year? Easier to get a few gimme TD’s on the back end of a 30 point loss you lead while going 4-12, than it is playing playoff level games down the stretch of a 10-6 season.
And where is Cutler having 21 turnovers? I got 14 picks and 4 lost fumbles.
Palmer has 19.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:14 am
Carson Palmer = Reggie Jackson
Mr. October
February 28th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Trade anybody with value.. lets get some picks
February 28th, 2013 at 7:16 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
LOL @ Cult of Palmer
nice one, Purv!
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I’m sure Miss Tick rues the day he coined “Golden Haired Hero”.
Hopefully you’ll regret inspiring that handle.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:21 am
Wait, weren’t we the best of the 2 minute drill and scoring last year?
February 28th, 2013 at 7:22 am
2013 draft is about TRENCHMEN….
February 28th, 2013 at 7:22 am
http://www.tfdssports.com/site/players-who-are-known-or-reported-to-have-met-with-the-raiders-at-the-combine.html
If we could get a combo of these I’d be stoked
February 28th, 2013 at 7:25 am
Theres obviously some desperation for quarterback this year. If we could trade Palmer and our top pick for 6 or 7 picks we could possibly rebuild our lines in one draft.. that would be the ideal draft imo.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:28 am
I would not take geno smith or any other QB 3rd.
I would however bring in a vet or 2 to compete.
2013 = year of the TRENCHMEN
February 28th, 2013 at 7:29 am
ltr NATION
February 28th, 2013 at 7:32 am
That’s what I’M sayin Thec…..
Don’t need all the sexiness this year. I wouldn’t be mad if our whole draft consisted of Big Uglies this year.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:33 am
I don’t think we’d get much in a Palmer trade.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
O-Line needs depth & competition. We can get buy with the starters we have in place. If you recall, the O-Line was pretty solid before Knapp & Pollack came to town
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Veld, Wiz, Satele, Coop, Barnes 2011
Veld, Coop, Wiz, Brisiel, Barnes 2012
It’s good enough with decent back up. If Brisiel really was playing on one leg. If Coop has another year in him.
Sure like to see Barrett Jones and Chance Warmack in the mix.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:36 am
Our first draft pick in 2011 and 2012 was an offensive lineman.
In 2010, we drafted McClain, than Houston, than Veldheer, than Bruce Campbell. First 4 picks, all “big uglies”.
That strategy has clearly failed us.
Time to move on, and take on the Falcons strategy.
Draft QB-WR-more WR’s-backup RB’s and starting safeties
Address DB and Pass-rusher via experienced vet in FA
February 28th, 2013 at 7:36 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Nobody is gonna be convinced to change their stance on Palmer good or bad.
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club) I just think he gets more crap than he deserves and the “blame” should be more equally distributed.
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DJ Johnny= The voice of reason
February 28th, 2013 at 7:37 am
then/than whatever….
February 28th, 2013 at 7:39 am
But 2013 Carson isn’t in the same ballpark.
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PFF disagrees with you. Cutler: 8.7 CP: 6.7
Very much the same ballpark.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:39 am
Work getting in the way…
Have a great Thursday everyone.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:39 am
I wouldn’t be mad if our whole draft consisted of Big Uglies this year.
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79,
I would!
we need to re-sign Des Bryant and get Kelly to take a massive paycut, just like HeyBeyBey
I just pointed out that the O-Line is fine. Nix & Bergs should come along this year. Maybe one or both of them supplant the current starting OLine of Veldheer-Carlisle-Wiz-Brisiel-Barnes ??
I think this team needs to draft DB’s since we didn’t draft any last year and our secondary got roasted all year. Unlike my man Jhill, i’m not cool rolling with a DB crew of Adams-Huff-Branch-Chekwa
besides DB’s, we need pass rushers!
February 28th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Sounds like a dropoff of 25% in metric grades.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:40 am
J Hill Says:
But really, can we come out and score on our opening drives? Can we put up pts early and get ahead?
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That would be nice.
Flashback’
I know it was a different era and not pertinent today, but back in the early and mid eighties we weren’t just rolling on people. Friends and I used to call ‘em the heart attack kids.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:41 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:36 am
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:12 am
Nobody is gonna be convinced to change their stance on Palmer good or bad.
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club) I just think he gets more crap than he deserves and the “blame” should be more equally distributed.
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DJ Johnny= The voice of reason
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No kidding.
Palmer is STILL the least of our problems. Oh, and Cork sez there’s a 96% chance he’s our starting QB next season.
I trust his judgement over random blog poster every time.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:44 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club)
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February 28th, 2013 at 7:45 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club)
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You’re in.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:40 am
Sounds like a dropoff of 25% in metric grades.
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Whatever floats your boat, stat boy!
According to PFF Cutler was 16th amongst qbs and Palmer 19th of 38 QBs, and JFB tries to tell us they are “not in the same ballpark.”
Why does anybody give this guy even an iota of credence??
February 28th, 2013 at 7:46 am
pass rushers, DB’s and a running back
RRS will be pleased!!
get Palmer out and find his replacement(s) in free agency. 2014 is the year to draft a franchise QB
Reggie isn’t just trying to win .. he’s trying to fix the cap for this year & beyond
February 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am
In the last 3 drafts, if you look at where our first 4 picks per draft went here it is:
O-line – 5
D-line – 2
LB – 2
CB – 2
WR – 1
Pathetic waste of resources.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Our dline is crap.. clearly our biggest need.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Cult of Palmer Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:45 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club)
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You’re in.
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Ahem…
February 28th, 2013 at 7:48 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Cutler has produced an 85+ QB rating in 5 of 7 seasons.
Carson has done so in 4 of 9.
His career stats are still hanging on to 2005-06 numbers.
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Hard to believe on the juggernaut that was the Bungles.
Cutler playing on such crappy teams.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:50 am
920. Those facts are rather irrelevant.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am
3. Carson Palmer, Quarterback
PFF:
The former Bengal would finish only 19th overall in our quarterback rankings, but thanks to how his contract is structured he only cost the Raiders a little over $3m in cap money. By any one’s reckoning that’s not a bad amount of your cap to spend on a starting quarterback who would throw for over 4,000 yards and 22 touchdowns.
2012 Cap Hit: $3.2m
2012 Performance Based Value: $8.2m
Value Differential: +$5.1m
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The Carson haters just puked their breakfast!
February 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am
DJ Johnny Says:
I’m not a Palmer cultist (well maybe I am as it sounds like a fun club)
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You’re in.
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Gdog Says:
Ahem…
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Motion approved!
We’re growing by the minute.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Summary – Team Value Differential: +$6.6m
The Raiders managed to get decent value out of what they had on the roster, but it’s an indictment of how bad a shape they were in that the players we measured counted only $90m against the cap. So while they got value, they were in so much of a hole (that they’re trying to work themselves out of) that they still couldn’t put an overly competitive team on the field. In total, 35 players scored positive values and 31 scored negative ones.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court ruled 5-4 (in Clapper v Amnesty International) yesterday that the Federal Government can wiretap and otherwise monitor the communications of any and all Americans with no warrant or even suspicion of wrongdoing. Per the ruling, you have no standing to challenge this surveillance unless you have proof you’re being monitored, which the government is under no obligation to provide (even through the Freedom of Information Act). Joy.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:53 am
Our dline is crap.. clearly our biggest need
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we were able to stuff the run towards the end of the year with Seymour & McClain out
whats different now?
if Kelly takes a paycut and Bryant resigns we’re golden imo
I would also like to resign Carter & Gaither to minimum contracts, might end up just being depth & competition but thats fine
February 28th, 2013 at 7:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:46 am
pass rushers, DB’s and a running back
RRS will be pleased!!
get Palmer out and find his replacement(s) in free agency. 2014 is the year to draft a franchise QB
Reggie isn’t just trying to win .. he’s trying to fix the cap for this year & beyond
Thank You…
February 28th, 2013 at 7:55 am
1. Lamarr Houston, Defensive End
Whatever the Raiders ask Lamarr Houston to do, he does it. What’s more, he’s incredibly productive while he’s doing it, finishing the year our 10th ranked defensive end in the league. This is primarily down to his excellent work in the run game where he had the second-highest grade (+17.0) of all his peers, with his 31 defensive stops in the run game bettered only by Cameron Jordan. That’s not to say he doesn’t offer any pass rush, because his 54 combined sacks, hits and hurries on 448 pass rushing snaps show he does. A fine all-around player and a snip at what he’s costing the Raiders … for now.
2012 Cap Hit: $1m
2012 Performance Based Value: $7.1m
Value Differential: +$6m
2. Philip Wheeler, Linebacker
The Raiders didn’t get an awful lot right last year, but the signing of Wheeler was certainly one of them. The former Colt found himself an every-down player who was on the field for all bar 16 of the Raiders’ defensive snaps, and used those snaps to finish sixth overall in our 4-3 outside linebacker rankings. Wheeler was particularly impressive when blitzing, where he turned 126 opportunities into 30 quarterback disruptions.
2012 Cap Hit: $1m
2012 Performance Based Value: $6.6m
Value Differential: +$5.6m
3. Carson Palmer, Quarterback
The former Bengal would finish only 19th overall in our quarterback rankings, but thanks to how his contract is structured he only cost the Raiders a little over $3m in cap money. By any one’s reckoning that’s not a bad amount of your cap to spend on a starting quarterback who would throw for over 4,000 yards and 22 touchdowns.
2012 Cap Hit: $3.2m
2012 Performance Based Value: $8.2m
Value Differential: +$5.1m
4. Desmond Bryant, DT – Cap: $1.9m, PBV: $6.8m, Value Differential: +$4.9m
5. Jared Veldheer, OT – Cap: $770k, PBV: $5.2m, Value Differential: +$4.5m
6. Marcel Reece, FB – Cap: $800k, PBV: $4.5m, Value Differential: +$3.7m
7. Joselio Hanson, CB – Cap: $1m, PBV: $3.3m, Value Differential: +$2.3m
8. Stefen Wisniewski, OC – Cap: $900k, PBV: $2.5m, Value Differential: +$1.5m
9. Mike Goodson, RB – Cap: $600k, PBV: $1.9m, Value Differential: +$1.3m
10. Rod Streater, WR – Cap: $400k, PBV: $1.5m, Value Differential: +$1.1m
February 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
PFF is worthless.
They wrote a 3 page article last offseason about Ty Branch being the best safety in football and the guy can’t cover ANYBODY
I’ve always said, a DB that can’t cover is just as worthless as a WR that can’t catch!
he’s just like DHB. he’s a good teammate and he tries hard, LOL
February 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
Overvalued
1. Darren McFadden, Running Back
Unless you were living under a rock throughout the 2012 season, you’ll know Darren McFadden didn’t have the best of years. Averaging 3.3 yards per carry and finishing bottom (by some distance) in our running back rankings. He struggled as the Raiders tried to employ a zone blocking scheme and was nowhere near worth the huge outlay in him.
2012 Cap Hit: $9.5m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1m
Value Differential: -$8.4m
2. Darrius Heyward-Bey, Wide Receiver
One of the most disappointing draft picks in recent memory, there aren’t many wide receivers who are paid as much as “DHB”, let alone follow that up with such a mediocre (to be kind) performance. His 1.19 yards per route run was the 11th-lowest of all receivers.
2012 Cap Hit: $8.2m
2012 Performance Based Value: $1.8m
Value Differential: -$6.4m
3. Richard Seymour*, Defensive Tackle
Now, Seymour gets something of a pass because he missed so much time hurt. When he was on the field he was actually playing pretty well, turning his 361 snaps into a +9.5 grade. However, when you miss that amount of time and have that big a cap hit, well, you know the drill — the team isn’t getting value.
2012 Cap Hit: $8.8m
2012 Performance Based Value: $3.8m
Value Differential: -$5m
4. Tommy Kelly, DT – Cap: $5.4m, PBV: $1.2m, Value Differential: -$4.2m
5. Shane Lechler, P – Cap: $4.9m, PBV: $1.3m, Value Differential: $-3.6m
6. Michael Huff, S – Cap: $4m, PBV: $2.3m, Value Differential: -$1.6m
7. Sebastian Janikowski, K – Cap: $4.5m, PBV: $3.4m, Value Differential: -$1.1m
8. Aaron Curry, LB – Cap: $1m, PBV: $100k, Value Differential: -$900k
9. Shawntae Spencer, CB – Cap: $1.5m, PBV: $825k, Value Differential: -$700k
10. Matt Shaughnessy, DE – Cap: $1.5m, PBV: $800k, Value Differential: -$660k
February 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
besides DB’s, we need pass rushers!
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Yeah, and as many picks as we can get. I’m all for trading back, and hopefully Jordan will still be there.
We had a GOOD late round DB in Stevie Brown but, I won’t go there.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:57 am
This Reggie Bashing needs to stop and realize what he took on and how ’s he still dealing with lack of picks and salary cap in his second year. Most people wouldnt take this job. Were blessed and in the end Reggie will be smiling and get his due. Id like dion or floyd or a franchise qb in smith but trade down is what we need . We need players
February 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:01 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:56 am
PFF is worthless.
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This is why I rarely if ever pay attention to this poster’s opinions.
If you look at PFFs metrics the cream always rises to the top… if they were “worthless,” players like Peyton Manning, Gronk, AP, or Andre Johnson would be in the middle of their ratings.
They were all at the top. Just a coincidence I am sure…
February 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am
those values are total nonsense..
and yes D line is our biggest need.. teams took turns either gashing is with the run or àssblasting us with the pass.. we played week teams that were not playoff bound down the stretch that’s why our defense looked slightly better. Plus Mcslow was out.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am
The only way we can turn this around is with a franchise QB, some true #1 and #2 WR’s, and some young pass-rushers.
OUr O-line is good enough to win a Super Bowl, as evidenced by Baltimore winning one whiling grading out right along the lines of ours, with Oher being one of the worst LT’s in football.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am
This Reggie Bashing needs to stop and realize what he took on and how ’s he still dealing with lack of picks and salary cap in his second year. Most people wouldnt take this job. Were blessed and in the end Reggie will be smiling and get his due.
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co-signed, Que!
BigMac = good hire
Dennis Allen? time will tell
both made some rookies mistakes, but I expect better results this year … despite the continued obstacles that they inherited
February 28th, 2013 at 8:09 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
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But, I don’t recall any college game where Burfict looked like A$$, or was a Non-factor. He certainly didn’t look like a Chump in the National Championship. Vontaz had the edge; he played angry as hell in every game and got alot of personal fouls. That kind of Savageness usually translates well to the next level.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
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But, I don’t recall any college game where Burfict looked like A$$, or was a Non-factor. He certainly didn’t look like a Chump in the National Championship. Vontaz had the edge; he played angry as hell in every game and got alot of personal fouls. That kind of Savageness usually translates well to the next level.
Even through his poor “try-outs” everyone kept sayin he was a baller…..and…..they were right.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:11 am
The only way we can turn this around is with a franchise QB, some true #1 and #2 WR’s, and some young pass-rushers.
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JFB,
be patient.
pass rushers are coming this draft
franchise QB is coming next draft (2014)
WR’s are coming when Reggie has some cash to spend in FA = not this offseason!
best we can do on the WR front is develop the youngsters we’ve got or maybe try to find another late round or undrafted gem
February 28th, 2013 at 8:12 am
Burfict went undrafted. I doubt Te’O falls outta RD1
Still, Burfict might be the better Pro!
February 28th, 2013 at 8:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
And where is Cutler having 21 turnovers? I got 14 picks and 4 lost fumbles.
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8 fumbles, 7 lost.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CutlJa00.htm
February 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Don’t we also need a MLB? Hell no to Te’o. His performance against top competition says everything anyone needs to know. Olgatree?
February 28th, 2013 at 8:14 am
Trade everybody! Code no more soup!
Go find another crazy old man to fleece.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am
Teo will land with a team that has the beef up front to protect him. Balt, green bay, the pats…
February 28th, 2013 at 8:20 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
we need to re-sign Des Bryant and get Kelly to take a massive paycut, just like HeyBeyBey
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Is that like ‘Hey, baby’? Pretty funny.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am
If Te’o fell to us in the 3rd round, he’s worth the gamble.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am
yes, purv
see? I’m not all bad
RRS = not da debil
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am
there’s been at least 10 restructures in the league what’s Reggie doing?
February 28th, 2013 at 8:23 am
If Tommy Kelly agrees to take a massive paycut then it will prove he loves trolling Raiders fans.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:25 am
952.Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am
there’s been at least 10 restructures in the league what’s Reggie doing?
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“Now see, the trick is you gotta pour the syrup directly in the center, non of that side to side crap”
February 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am
If Te’o fell to us in the 3rd round, he’s worth the gamble.
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Judge,
he wont fall past Baltimore at #32. print that
He sure as heck isn’t going 3rd overall, but rumor has it the Raiders love him. I wouldn’t be upset if we traded Palmer to the Jags for the #34 pick (and something else) and that pick was used to select Te’o
February 28th, 2013 at 8:29 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 am
If Te’o fell to us in the 3rd round, he’s worth the gamble.
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Gamble what? He might be ok in a 3-4, but man handled (he probably wants that) in a 4-3. Worse than McClain.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:28 am
If Te’o fell to us in the 3rd round, he’s worth the gamble.
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Judge,
he wont fall past Baltimore at #32. print that
He sure as heck isn’t going 3rd overall, but rumor has it the Raiders love him. I wouldn’t be upset if we traded Palmer to the Jags for the #34 pick (and something else) and that pick was used to select Te’o
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Palmer for Te’o? Don’t you want a better team?
February 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am
He’ll actually have to put in effort to be worse than McClain, and i definetly wouldn’t trade palmer for him, that’d be just stupid.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:32 am
Insider tips from ihops #1 customer.lol
February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
957.SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
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Then it’s clear what needs to be done, Hugh Douglas must die.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
Started from da bottom….now we here!!!
1-nation!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
SilverLining20 Says:
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
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Hope Geno values his opinion.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:34 am
The_Judge37 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
957.SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
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Then it’s clear what needs to be done, Hugh Douglas must die.
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LOL
February 28th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:33 am
SilverLining20 Says:
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
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Hope Geno values his opinion.
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Also..LOL
February 28th, 2013 at 8:37 am
there’s been at least 10 restructures in the league what’s Reggie doing?
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a restructure means a player makes the same amount of money. the salary portion (that counts toward the cap) is greatly reduced and the difference (usually a huge chuck of change) is converted into a bonus that is guaranteed & paid at once.
Marks Hair, I don’t think Reggie is interested in restructuring. I think he’s interested in PAY CUTS. something completely different. I think Palmer, Heyward-Bey and Kelly are the first 3 on his radar.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am
If KC wich I can still see, or Jags don’t take Geno. I’m sure Reg will get calls on Draft day. The Jags would be stupid not to draft a qb. Gabbert is horrible.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:40 am
I think you missed my point.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:41 am
“I wouldn’t be upset” doesn’t mean I want that to happen.
YOU PEOPLE are so antsy to try to catch me with something, lol
February 28th, 2013 at 8:42 am
I remember when our d-line was one of the most feared in the league!!!
TimesChange!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 8:45 am
The free-agency period will begin on March 12.
unrestricted (UFA) and restricted (RFA) free agents
http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story/0ap1000000138649/article/2013-nfl-free-agency-unofficial-list-of-2013-nfl-free-agents
Marks Hair,
give BigMac about 2 weeks. I’m sure he will be making some moves
February 28th, 2013 at 8:47 am
do the Raiders have any players with a roster bonus due on March 1st?
If so, there may be a few expected or unexpected cuts today or tomorrow …
February 28th, 2013 at 8:50 am
contracts should be done before the draft. It’ll help us put a plan in place to know exactly where will stand financially and on the field.. for instance if Palmer won’t take a pay cut he should be gone before the draft or on draft day.. kelly huff dhb… same deal
February 28th, 2013 at 8:52 am
don’t wait until every team has their plans in place and then put guys on the trade block.. may be too late. getting s*** done early usually is the best plan for business.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:54 am
Marks hair Says:
contracts should be done before the draft. It’ll help us put a plan in place to know exactly where will stand financially and on the field.. for instance if Palmer won’t take a pay cut he should be gone before the draft or on draft day.. kelly huff dhb… same deal
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Well, if anybody has Mark’s ear, it should be Mark’s hair.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I said it two weeks ago and I will say it again.
This year and next we will invest our top two picks on lineman.
Even if you believe the guys we have are capable (I think that only Wiz,Houston and Veld are of NFL caliber), age and injury history alone point to immediate need at three spots.
RT (Barnes is 30 and gone)
Seymour (Gone-can not even practice let alone play)
Carlisle (35-possibly stays as a backup at a vastly reduced salary).
That is three starters. NEEDED NOW.
Bryant, Bilikidi, Kelly, Shaunessy are NFL backups.
Bergstrom is a question mark and Brisiel needs to rebound after an injury plaqued year wand who is also 29.
Carter is 34.
A massive infusion of GOOD line help is needed.
We will get DB’s in the later rounds.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am
They said Alex Smith was better than Carson Palmer on 95.7 this morning.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Thanks for the news scoop. I hope your oatmeal did not get cold
February 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Hey guys! We have to draft Barkley.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/lane-kiffin-will-personally-vouch-for-matt-barkleys-nfl-potential/
The kid’s a lock!
February 28th, 2013 at 9:17 am
papertiger418 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:12 am
Hey guys! We have to draft Barkley.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/28/lane-kiffin-will-personally-vouch-for-matt-barkleys-nfl-potential/
The kid’s a lock!
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Well……. If Lance says so… He is very trustworthy!
February 28th, 2013 at 9:19 am
They said Alex Smith was better than Carson Palmer on 95.7 this morning.
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they are smoking crack. Alex Smith is 2-27-1 when the opponents score 24+ points. That pretty much sums it up for me. He is a product of media hype.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
What Green party!!
February 28th, 2013 at 9:23 am
BigMac = good hire
Dennis Allen? time will tell
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what?
link?
source?
February 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Alex Smith is the perfect follow-up to Cassel in KC; both QBs put up awesome numbers on loaded teams without having much else to show.
The only thing that worries me is Andy Reid. That guy got a team to rally around AJ Feeley when McNabb went down for the season. If he can do that, he can do anything.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:25 am
What a wasted performance by Stef last night. I really enjoyed his shooting display. I love pure shooters like Reggie Miller, Ray Allen etc.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:02 am
The only way we can turn this around is with a franchise QB…
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That’s the most vital thing. It’s really the key.
Which is why even though I do not believe Geno will ultimately be a franchise QB, I would not be very upset if the RAIDS drafted him.
Sure, I believe that whiffing on 1st round QB’s can set your franchise back for years.
However, I also believe that whiffing on ANY first round pick sets you back.
You bet that it would pain me to see another guy that we could have drafted tearing it up elsewhere while GS turns out to be a dud.
But I’m willing to accept that possibility and will not criticize Regina if he rolls the dice on Geno.
Got to have a franchise QB.
I do not believe that the RAIDS are going to obtain that elusive franchise QB thru a trade or free agency.
Don’t see us lucking into a Plunk or Gannon situation again.
Got a huge kick out of the pundits that criticized the Skins for drafting Cousins, since they already took RGIII.
Me ? I’ll keep drafting QBs until I find the franchise guy.
Yes, even at the cost of neglecting other areas.
Shoot, I’m drafting a QB that I think can be THE MAN every single chance I get.
I’d try to stockpile them.
You whiff on a guy ? That sucks. Be prepared to step to the plate and swing again.
Which is why JAX should draft Geno.
Got to have a franchise QB.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
What Green party!!
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Well then…….
Fk u guys 2 on this beautiful, sunny, morning in the O-A-K
February 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Yep, I worry about Andy Reid vs Dennis Allen on game day.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:30 am
We need to trade back with the Cards if Geno Smith is available @ #3. That would put us at #7 with an extra 2nd rounder, ideally. Then we can grab Warmack and build a dynasty of an o-line.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Morning, DMAC!
Try not to get hurt at work today. Watch your feet, run out of bounds.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:37 am
It’s obvious the 49rs are in need a few good DB’s, rumors are they are very interested in pursuing the services Darrelle Revis. Now with soon to be newly acquired 2nd round pick from the Chiefs, the San Francisco 49rs will have a total of 12-15 Draft picks in this years draft.
I haven’t heard anything about them having interest in D. Milliner but it just makes too much sense with all their draft picks they have.
Currently they hold the
31st pick in the 1st round
34th pick in the 2nd round
61st pick in the 2nd round
74th pick in the 3rd round
93rd pick in the 3rd round
125th pick in the 4th round
Just to name a few…
Maybe their 31st, 34th and their 74th for the 3rd overall?
February 28th, 2013 at 9:38 am
raiderfankirk Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:38 am
If KC wich I can still see, or Jags don’t take Geno. I’m sure Reg will get calls on Draft day. The Jags would be stupid not to draft a qb. Gabbert is horrible.
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i think teams will be more likely to call the eagirls or teams beyond that over us. too much to give up if they know the next two teams at #4 and #5 aren’t taking him either
of course that may change if Palmer gets let go before the draft.
either way it’s crunch time for BigMac.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:39 am
“Maybe their 31st, 34th and their 74th for the 3rd overall?”
that would be incredibly awesome. doubtful though. depends on how much they like Milliner like you said. don’t know if he’s a sure thing like Petterson or Claiborne were the last couple of drafts…
February 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Maybe their 31st, 34th and their 74th for the 3rd overall?
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yeah, I’d do that deal in a heartbeat. I don’t think the 49ers give us that package.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:41 am
988.KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Yep, I worry about Andy Reid vs Dennis Allen on game day.
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Really? Tom Cable’s team beat the Eagles because Reid was too proud to exploit the Raiders historic weakness of not being able to stop the run. Reid came in with a game plan throw on the Raiders.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:42 am
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Yep, I worry about Andy Reid vs Dennis Allen on game day.
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I worry about PM and our non existent pass rush.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:43 am
papertiger418 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Morning, DMAC!
Try not to get hurt at work today. Watch your feet, run out of bounds.
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Got these new Addidas
No worries
February 28th, 2013 at 9:45 am
SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Hugh Douglas just said that if he were Geno Smith and the Raiders called him on draft day he’d say thanks, but no thanks.
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fu#k that fat fu#kin slob. rich eisen on dan patrick says a big time nfl personell guy interviewed all the top qbs from this draft class and asked them all 2 minute drill scenarios if you see this defensive alignment what play do you call? and all the top qbs of this draft class answered look toward the sideline for the call, immediate reg flag, says he wouldn’t touch this qb class
February 28th, 2013 at 9:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:13 am
Cutler has produced an 85+ QB rating in 5 of 7 seasons.
Carson has done so in 4 of 9.
His career stats are still hanging on to 2005-06 numbers.
As far as last year? Easier to get a few gimme TD’s on the back end of a 30 point loss you lead while going 4-12, than it is playing playoff level games down the stretch of a 10-6 season.
And where is Cutler having 21 turnovers? I got 14 picks and 4 lost fumbles.
Palmer has 19.
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Pro Football Reference. It shows him with 8 fumbles 1 recovered for -7. Added to his 14 int’s = 21 total turnovers.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:53 am
yea people said the same about Russell Wilson and Kaep in the 1st round. Geno Smith is just as good as these guys are… except more a pure pocket passer with good accuracy on short and intermediate pass plays. i see Geno being able to bond well with the receivers we have now(even though we need a true #1 IMO) ..
there’s no HUGE RED FLAGS with Geno AT ALL in my mind… and i don’t see a whole lot out there arguing against that… what’s so bad about the kid? seems NFL ready to me?
February 28th, 2013 at 9:55 am
I def. want to trade down, but if we don’t I wouldn’t mind drafting Warmack or Dee.
Yes we are in need of a pass rusher, but I’m iffy on a lot of these D-linemen. At least 3 of the top 5 pass rushers will be busts, if not career back ups IMO.
If we’re stuck at 3, we need an instant starter.
Oh yeah, don’t forget to draft the honey badger = instant upgrade to our horrendous special teams.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:56 am
Gdog Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:51 am
3. Carson Palmer, Quarterback
PFF:
The former Bengal would finish only 19th overall in our quarterback rankings, but thanks to how his contract is structured he only cost the Raiders a little over $3m in cap money. By any one’s reckoning that’s not a bad amount of your cap to spend on a starting quarterback who would throw for over 4,000 yards and 22 touchdowns.
2012 Cap Hit: $3.2m
2012 Performance Based Value: $8.2m
Value Differential: +$5.1m
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The Carson haters just puked their breakfast!
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Yeah…but his wife is ugly. Cutler’s is hotter.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:57 am
I really like Geno, but he did have some good WRs on the squad.
Makes me a lil’ skeptical????
February 28th, 2013 at 9:59 am
Desmond bryant your story is very strange.
What in the hell is going on with these brothas, that they get so wasted they cant think straight, then rage like a wild man and land in jail?
This is a result of the quack medical so called science, and the guinea pig culture that is pro sport.
The toxic chemical of what ever synthetic drugs he has taken in order to gain strength heal or numb pain mixed with drugs he was partying on also numbed his mind.
Im also curious to know what kind of truama is in his mind that would drive him to want to completely check out in that way.
I would say he doesnt qualify for mental health, and like lots of people like himself, is suffering from depression post traumatic slave syndrome, and possibly other forms of trans-generational trauma.
please get this young man some help, so he doesnt go belcher or harry carson on us.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
DMAC, the more I watch video and read about Dion Jordan the more I seem to like him!
Have you had a chance to check him out?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Sorry, fellas. With all due respect, if Reggie gives away the #3 overall in any trade that doesn’t involve at least 1 1st rounder in return, that is a HUGE fail and he will be the laughingstock of the draft.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
DMAC, the more I watch video and read about Dion Jordan the more I seem to like him!
Have you had a chance to check him out?
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Not 2 much
What do you like about this kids game?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
speculation on local radio said the holmgren deal was about attracting venture capitalist for the raiders and a new stadium.
holmgren has strong ties in the silcon valley from the niner super bowl days, and major influence on two very well known vc’s in particular. nameley brent jones and steve young.
locals will remember hearing their names before with regards to investment groups and trying to buy teams and so on.
very interesting
February 28th, 2013 at 10:04 am
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Agree, unless some type of impact player is packaged w/ the pick.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:04 am
The Carson bashing continues…
Hey guys, before you throw out stats and spin a 4000 yard season in 14 games as hot trash, why not take a long look at the garbage recievers he had to throw to. The pundits who are being kind to the Raiders talk about a young, explosive and developing unit with a high ceiling. But if they were brutally honest and were asked to list the bottom 5 WR/TE units in football, the Raiders would be a consensus choice across the board.
I think you have to normalize Carson’s stats if you want to realisitically evaluate him. Imagine what they would be if had an average WR group? Now imagine if he had elite targets? But he’s playing with the deck stacked against him.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:08 am
Is Dr_Rob back and posting as Miss Tick?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:10 am
The Big Banana Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Sorry, fellas. With all due respect, if Reggie gives away the #3 overall in any trade that doesn’t involve at least 1 1st rounder in return, that is a HUGE fail and he will be the laughingstock of the draft
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With all the message board and analyst comments i’m seeing after the report that Reggie is interested in Geno, that right there would make us even bigger laughingstock status.
That could change I guess if Geno gets more hyped up.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
DMAC, the more I watch video and read about Dion Jordan the more I seem to like him!
Have you had a chance to check him out?
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Not 2 much
What do you like about this kids game?
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I’ve seen him play every game cause I’m a Ducks fan. The guy is legit. Played sparingly as a Sophmore, but came in on a series in the Natty, and sacked Cam Newton… His Junior year was stocked FULL of QB Harrassment / knock-downs / sacks / pressures / tackles for loss and no gain…..
Those numbers fell off last year because they had him dropping into coverage a sh*t ton. He can cover TE’s well and the flat pass. He’s very fast and has great closing speed. IMHO, he had his best games with his hands in the dirt, but NFL looking at him as a 4-3 OLB. If they go that way with him, he could have a Clay Mathews type effect.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:12 am
guest123 Says:
I think you have to normalize Carson’s stats if you want to realisitically evaluate him.
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Normalize? Vegas said Palmer’s end of the HALF stats were in “Garbage Time”!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:13 am
Sorry, I meant 3-4 OLB for Jordan’s NFL projection
February 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am
I already think Reggie is a laughingstock running the show from the IHOP, checking his IPAD over a short stack. Still not cutting anyone or making any moves. The league is buzzing with activity, trades and whatnot and we got nuthin.
My opinion could change, but sitting idle on the sidelines and then suggesting interest in both Geno and Manti don’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling about Reggie. He needs to ‘build this thing’ already, or go back to his ‘ten and then’ whatever that means.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:15 am
Maybe their 31st, 34th and their 74th for the 3rd overall?
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Don’t feel like getting robbed like that from the 49ers, thats a horrible trade for us, they would have to throw in next years 1st and/or a player before Reggie would even think about moving that far back
February 28th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Normalize? Vegas said Palmer’s end of the HALF stats were in “Garbage Time”!
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Purvis, you could argue that 3/4 of last season was “garbage time”. Did you remind Vegas about our historically bad defense? Tom Brady would have put up 5000 yards passing if he was a Raider and 4000 of them would be in “garbage time”.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:17 am
Honestly i only have 3 issues with drafting geno.
1. I think Pryor is the answer, and palmer with a pay cut would form a solid insurance policy for 2013. i dont care if palmer starts the season but he will give way to pryor at some point either because of losses or shaky play. At that point hand the reins to pryor and palmer instantly becomes one of the top 3-4 back ups in the nfl.
2. I think pryor has tougher mind set. Dont get me wrong geno is a leader he can be very fiery, and his offense do follow him. yet pryor has faced more adversity, leaving school early, nearly missing his nfl career, barley clinging to a roster spot and so on. I feel pryor is further along and to a large degree has a far bigger chip on his shoulder. We saw evidence of this when he slammed mike goodson to the turf, and the entire team roared back and came within an onside kick attempt.
3. pryors play making ability is second to none, and he may be the best running qb in the nfl. this more than any thing else can rally your team to heights that they did not expect of themselves. It forces every one on the team to step up. This mixed with pryors maniacal jordan like focus to be the best and prove the haters wrong is unique. more so than newton and rgIII kappy or wilson, no one wanted to believe pryor could succeed.
having said that i would not be upset if we drafted him, becaus i think pryor or smith are instant upgrades of carson
February 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
speculation on local radio said the holmgren deal was about attracting venture capitalist for the raiders and a new stadium.
holmgren has strong ties in the silcon valley from the niner super bowl days, and major influence on two very well known vc’s in particular. nameley brent jones and steve young.
locals will remember hearing their names before with regards to investment groups and trying to buy teams and so on.
very interesting
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Its all about those books. Meddlesome Mark probably wants to sell the team or at least field offers.
There is a certain number it has to sell for in order for Mark to live the way he wishes.
Al’s books have to be cleaned up just to field offers
February 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am
I don’t think Reggie is goin to draft Geno. Just tryin to hype him up, so someone can give him a call for a trade. (possibly the Cards)
February 28th, 2013 at 10:21 am
Here’s my take on CP3.
He’s a serviceable, over payed QB.
He needs to take a serious pay cut.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:22 am
1021.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am
I don’t think Reggie is goin to draft Geno. Just tryin to hype him up, so someone can give him a call for a trade. (possibly the Cards)
That is what I am hoping for!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:24 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:19 am
I don’t think Reggie is goin to draft Geno. Just tryin to hype him up, so someone can give him a call for a trade. (possibly the Cards)
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Agree. This is the time of year for posturing and propaganda. At least that’s what smart teams do. Look at KC. Essentially revealed their hand, came out and said Geno ain’t worth the 1st pick and catered to SF’s demands. A 2nd for Alex? Lol. Matt Cassell all over again.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am
At some point Reggie or Mark has to actually hire someone don’t they?
We hear of all these interviews of people and nothing happens. What happened to Ray Anderson or the guy from MSG? Now Holmgren. What about the Palmer re-structure talks?
I guess we’ll hear of something happening at some point.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am
At some point Reggie or Mark has to actually hire someone don’t they?
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Reggie? Hire his boss? Hue all over again? Sorry, this is all Mark with maybe a little input from Reg.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:30 am
No way Reggie drafts Geno.
All leaked reports are a smokescreen this time of year.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:32 am
honestly i do think the geno talk is an attempt to get a team to make a trade.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Hwnrdr
Wassup brother
How u been?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
DMAC, the more I watch video and read about Dion Jordan the more I seem to like him!
Have you had a chance to check him out?
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Not 2 much
What do you like about this kids game?
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I’ve seen him play every game cause I’m a Ducks fan. The guy is legit. Played sparingly as a Sophmore, but came in on a series in the Natty, and sacked Cam Newton… His Junior year was stocked FULL of QB Harrassment / knock-downs / sacks / pressures / tackles for loss and no gain…..
Those numbers fell off last year because they had him dropping into coverage a sh*t ton. He can cover TE’s well and the flat pass. He’s very fast and has great closing speed. IMHO, he had his best games with his hands in the dirt, but NFL looking at him as a 4-3 OLB. If they go that way with him, he could have a Clay Mathews type effect.
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Thanks 79, he’s been compared to Aldon Smith he is explosive and has rare athleticism for his size!!
Ran a 4.6, measures 6′-6″, weighs 248lbs…plays DE/OLB.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
1025.DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:25 am
At some point Reggie or Mark has to actually hire someone don’t they?
We hear of all these interviews of people and nothing happens. What happened to Ray Anderson or the guy from MSG? Now Holmgren. What about the Palmer re-structure talks?
I guess we’ll hear of something happening at some point.
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You don’t think that some of these interviews are actually a page out of Al Davis’s playbook? Interviewing people to get intel and opinions?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
1028.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:32 am
honestly i do think the geno talk is an attempt to get a team to make a trade.
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I think so too. Maybe force KC to take him or someone to trade up to the 1 or 2 spot to take him.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am
1029.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Hwnrdr
Wassup brother
How u been?
Been good DMAC! What about you? Man, your Warriors need to help out Curry! He was on fire last night…but…
February 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am
Its all about those books. Meddlesome Mark probably wants to sell the team or at least field offers.
There is a certain number it has to sell for in order for Mark to live the way he wishes.
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This has a grain of truth in it. Not sure where Holmgren improves the bottom line. But I’m sure that the inheritance baby is looking at his net worth tied up in corporation/business that he does not want and is bored with. He’s got better things to do with his life like go and be pampered and retire with real liquid assets. Mark’s not liquid, and as much as he’s worth, that’s a scary position to be in when you don’t know how to recover from losing wealth. I tell you guys the truth, he’s probably scared sh!tless worrying about the perceived value of the Raiders franchise. He probably never had to worry about anything in his life, and now he has to worry. It’s his worst nightmare, of course he wants to parachute out and live the life again like he did before his old man passed.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:39 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:35 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:11 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:03 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:01 am
DMAC, the more I watch video and read about Dion Jordan the more I seem to like him!
Have you had a chance to check him out?
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Not 2 much
What do you like about this kids game?
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I’ve seen him play every game cause I’m a Ducks fan. The guy is legit. Played sparingly as a Sophmore, but came in on a series in the Natty, and sacked Cam Newton… His Junior year was stocked FULL of QB Harrassment / knock-downs / sacks / pressures / tackles for loss and no gain…..
Those numbers fell off last year because they had him dropping into coverage a sh*t ton. He can cover TE’s well and the flat pass. He’s very fast and has great closing speed. IMHO, he had his best games with his hands in the dirt, but NFL looking at him as a 4-3 OLB. If they go that way with him, he could have a Clay Mathews type effect.
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Thanks 79, he’s been compared to Aldon Smith he is explosive and has rare athleticism for his size!!
Ran a 4.6, measures 6′-6″, weighs 248lbs…plays DE/OLB.
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It all depends on what DA has planned for us on the D. I think we’ll stick w/ the 4-3 base, because of our current roster. We shall see.
I like Werner in a 4-3
I like Mingo in a 3-4 LB
February 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am
1029.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Hwnrdr
Wassup brother
How u been?
Been good DMAC! What about you? Man, your Warriors need to help out Curry! He was on fire last night…but…
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I know right
Still a great game last night
I love pure shooters
Reminded me of Reggie Miller
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Hwnrdr
Fkn flu had knocked me out for about 2 weeks mayne.
I’m back now though.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
How would it help the Raiders get a trade? It would help out the Jags or KC, not Oakland. Just like if the Eagles were the ones reported in wanting Geno it would help us get a trade partner not the Eagles
February 28th, 2013 at 10:43 am
1036.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:40 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:36 am
1029.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:34 am
Hwnrdr
Wassup brother
How u been?
Been good DMAC! What about you? Man, your Warriors need to help out Curry! He was on fire last night…but…
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I know right
Still a great game last night
I love pure shooters
Reminded me of Reggie Miller
1037.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Hwnrdr
Fkn flu had knocked me out for about 2 weeks mayne.
I’m back now though.
Cool! Glad you’re feeling better! Was talking to Brien last night…he was upset, but man, Curry put on a clinic! But of course, you know B had some words!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:44 am
Reggie needs to make at least one impact FA signing.
Michael Johnson comes to mind, but Osi may come cheaper, since he has a few miles on him.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:45 am
Cool! Glad you’re feeling better! Was talking to Brien last night…he was upset, but man, Curry put on a clinic! But of course, you know B had some words!
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Yeah
He he also told me a few things last night
lol
February 28th, 2013 at 10:46 am
I was telling him that either the 9th but most likely the game on the 23rd (March) I’m thinking about going! Been awhile…told him I will keep him posted!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:48 am
I agree about making one impact FA signing. My money would be set aside for Greg Jennings. Give Carson Jennings and no room for any excuses.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:49 am
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:04 am
They said Alex Smith was better than Carson Palmer on 95.7 this morning.
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Palmer hater here. But there’s no way in hell Alex Smith is better than him. Matt Cassell is the better comparison to Smith.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:49 am
AZ Cards think they are a QB away from greatness.
I would trade Carson Palmer there for their 2nd & 3rd round picks in this year’s draft.
Geno Smith isn’t going to fall to them at #7
other option would be to TRADE DOWN with them so we get their #7 and maybe a 2nd or 3rd in this draft. Then they could take Smith at #3
February 28th, 2013 at 10:50 am
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:48 am
I agree about making one impact FA signing. My money would be set aside for Greg Jennings. Give Carson Jennings and no room for any excuses.
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You would go Jennings? Over someone on the D?
Not concerned that he has been injured lots lately? Or that he had Rodgers throwing to him?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am
L8
February 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am
I think Mark realizes he made a mistake in hiring Reggie without doing his due diligence.
Mark bought the hype and wants to rectify his mistake.
Mark has plenty of money and always will but out of respect he really wants to do right he by his father’s legacy.
HIRE THE WALRUS!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:51 am
Hey Mistic
Where is EJ Manuel projected to go in the draft?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
and the entire team roared back and came within an onside kick attempt.
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Especially that guy that blocked the punt giving us the ball at SD’s 11 yard line.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am
You guys hear about that one white boy WR who ran a 4.3 at the combine?
Ryan Swope 6′-0″, 205 lbs. projected 3rd rounder from Texas A&M.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am
Alex is Smith is MUCH better than Pick 6 Palmer any day of the week and TWICE on Sunday.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:49 am
I would trade Carson Palmer
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problem is you have to have a willing partner and I havnt seen anything that anywhere that mentions palmer as a possible trade target for any team what so ever.
i mean even the qb desperate teams like az, clev, jax, buff, tenn, minny. Doesnt look like anybody wants wants to get near carson
Maybe this changes when / if he takes a pay cut
February 28th, 2013 at 10:55 am
Jennings wants cp money… f that..
February 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am
You would go Jennings? Over someone on the D?
Not concerned that he has been injured lots lately? Or that he had Rodgers throwing to him?
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DMAC,
my thoughts exactly. Reminds me of another former Packer WR we had in Oakland coming off an injury past his prime who wanted to cash in
how did Javon Walker turn out?
GJ turns 30 this year.
Missed 3 games in 2011, Missed 8 games in 2012
2012 YPC = 10.2 (same as Brandon Myers!)
February 28th, 2013 at 10:56 am
It sounds like the reason the Chiefs went with Alex instead of drafting a QB is they feel they are a legit QB away from being really good RIGHT NOW and they are not in a rebuild mode, so didn’t want to take a chance on a rookie who might need sometime to develope (1-3 years).
February 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION
and my GreenParty brothers !!
February 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am
No one will trade from pick 6 Palmer.
He is on the downside of a mediocre career.
WORST TRADE IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:59 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:58 am
GOOD AFTERNOON NATION
and my GreenParty brothers !!
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ODB is in da house!!!!!
“ooooh baby I like it raaaaaw!!!!!!”
February 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am
welker might not be too expensive, guy would be a great mentor for the rooks just as long as his wife shuts her trap
February 28th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Now that the Queefs have traded for Smith, they still need help to that horrible O-line.
My $$$$ on Joeckel.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Hunter & Mistic,
I think there will be a team dumb enough to trade for Palmer and will give up at least as much as KC did for Alex Smith.
49ers had Alex on the trade block for a while. Didn’t take long to find a home.
Carson isn’t officially on the trade block yet. I think Reggie is still trying to figure out how little to offer him. He’ll have the option to take less money and remain in Oakland. We just don’t know if Carson will accept such offer
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am
welker might not be too expensive, guy would be a great mentor for the rooks just as long as his wife shuts her trap
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I’m done w/ our smurf WRs.
I think we need a big physical receiver who can move the chains.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
EJ is a projected 2nd rounder ahead of Tyler Bray and Landry Jones, according to CBSsports dot com.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
don’t look now but the lakers only 5 games back from the dubs, 3 from utah and 2 from houston in the loss column….
February 28th, 2013 at 11:04 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am
welker might not be too expensive, guy would be a great mentor for the rooks just as long as his wife shuts her trap
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I’m done w/ our smurf WRs.
I think we need a big physical receiver who can move the chains
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bowes gna cost too much, wallace gonna cost too much, and unlike our smurf receivers, welker can catch
February 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
EJ is a projected 2nd rounder ahead of Tyler Bray and Landry Jones, according to CBSsports dot com.
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Thanx R8eray
Hey, you dont have kids out there stealing car stereos for you. Do you?
lol
February 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am
I think it would be hard to get much of anything for Palmer, he is comin off some serious injuries and isn’t getting any younger, not to mention his contract, we would have to get him to take a paycut first before any team would even think about it.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Hunter & Mistic,
I think there will be a team dumb enough to trade for Palmer and will give up at least as much as KC did for Alex Smith.
49ers had Alex on the trade block for a while. Didn’t take long to find a home.
Carson isn’t officially on the trade block yet. I think Reggie is still trying to figure out how little to offer him. He’ll have the option to take less money and remain in Oakland. We just don’t know if Carson will accept such offer
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I think Carson is better than Smith, the only problem in regards to a trade are his age. Palmer has several years on Alex. Just sayin.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:09 am
inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:04 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:01 am
welker might not be too expensive, guy would be a great mentor for the rooks just as long as his wife shuts her trap
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I’m done w/ our smurf WRs.
I think we need a big physical receiver who can move the chains
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bowes gna cost too much, wallace gonna cost too much, and unlike our smurf receivers, welker can catch
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I know Hartline isn’t 2 big, but he would be a great fit for us.
He’s had Moore, Henne and Tanny throwing to him.
Dude has great hands and torched our D, but then again, who didnt torch us?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:12 am
One more thing regarding talks of trading Palmer, you can always rework someone’s contract but you can’t ask father time to turn the clock back on his age.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:13 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
EJ is a projected 2nd rounder ahead of Tyler Bray and Landry Jones, according to CBSsports dot com.
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he should have never been behind them to begin with.
i have said it since last off season geno and manual are the only two qbs worth drafting in the first two rounds, best prospects of the class hands down
February 28th, 2013 at 11:14 am
Lane Kiffin will personally vouch for Matt Barkley’s NFL potential
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too bad Kiffin’s word is worth squat!
February 28th, 2013 at 11:15 am
I know Hartline isn’t 2 big, but he would be a great fit for us.
He’s had Moore, Henne and Tanny throwing to him.
Dude has great hands and torched our D, but then again, who didnt torch us
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wouldn’t be mad at harline, freddy b 2.0?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
EJ is a projected 2nd rounder ahead of Tyler Bray and Landry Jones, according to CBSsports dot com.
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Thanx R8eray
Hey, you dont have kids out there stealing car stereos for you. Do you?
lol
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Maybe 10 years ago…I’m too old for that sh!t! Lol…
But I do have a hook up in L.A., what are you looking for?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Hartline has inflated #’s, kind of like our starting TE.
I wouldn’t pay too much for him, Much rather Jennings.
Say no to Bowe and Wallace and I would be shocked if Welker doesn’t resign with Pats after Brady made his contract cap friendly.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:21 am
It’s obvious the 49rs are in need a few good DB’s, rumors are they are very interested in pursuing the services Darrelle Revis. Now with soon to be newly acquired 2nd round pick from the Chiefs, the San Francisco 49rs will have a total of 12-15 Draft picks in this years draft.
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Would be wise to look at ALL castoff, cuts, FA’s and practice squad players…This team is allready loaded and deep they will have some good quality.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:23 am
Don’t get to excited about Hartline just becuase he tore the Raiders a new one.
He could be succesful in the right place and that place isn’t Oakland.
A guy like Jennings would be a great mentor and likely has a couple solid years in him.
By the time Jennings is “done” our other wideouts will have hopefully stepped up.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:24 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:16 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:06 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:03 am
EJ is a projected 2nd rounder ahead of Tyler Bray and Landry Jones, according to CBSsports dot com.
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Thanx R8eray
Hey, you dont have kids out there stealing car stereos for you. Do you?
lol
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Maybe 10 years ago…I’m too old for that sh!t! Lol…
But I do have a hook up in L.A., what are you looking for?
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Naw, I’m just fkin wit you
I try not to put slap in may cars anymore, cuz it aint worth it.
You can’t even enjoy your music w/out being blurped by 5-0.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Thec
What happenin’ mayne?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:27 am
Welker is by far the best receiver available and I’m sure when Brady gave some money back on his restructure that he asked some of it goto Welker
February 28th, 2013 at 11:28 am
We have a bunch of Hartlines on the roster already (#2 and #3 WRs) if we are goin to add a WR it should be a legit #1, if we can’t afford one we should just roll with what we have, not too many mid tier WRs will be any better than what we already have
February 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am
Matt Barkley is hands down better than Ej Manuel watch and learn
February 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am
What WR on this team has better hands than Hartline?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am
L8r
February 28th, 2013 at 11:30 am
Tyler Wilson is also hands down better than Manuel Mistic is fcking delusional
February 28th, 2013 at 11:32 am
Carson wasn’t won squat.
Nobody wants him.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:29 am
What WR on this team has better hands than Hartline?
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imo there is not that big of a difference between him and Meyers. Hartline is a hairline faster perhaps.
I just wouldn’t pay top dollar for him.
I know Marcel is not a wideout but he has soft hands and will be utilized more in the passing game.
DMAC had an off year with drops, I think excluding last season he has good hands as well.
Hagan decent possesion guy for cheap.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Matt Barkley is not an NFL QB.
I guess you will have to change your “handle” again.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Interesting KC went with Alex Smith instead of Geno Smith.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
Alex is Smith is MUCH better than Pick 6 Palmer any day of the week and TWICE on Sunday.
FIRE REGGIE NOW.
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I’m a big fan of your namesake, an iconic figure in American literature. I’m thinking you’ve never read any of his works, and only know of him because he lived most of his life in your home state, Colorado. Where Denver is. Hmmm.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:35 am
Geno is hype.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:36 am
You are Purvtarded.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:37 am
I’m sure that as we speak Reggie and Carson already have the parameters in place for a cut and restructure/extension. Then a series of cuts will be announced and Jerry/Cork will finally update our revised cap situation.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:38 am
You are Reggietarded.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT KELL..
February 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Let’s do a poll.
option 1-
Will papa Geno set this franchise back several years ala Jamucus?
or option 2-Will he revitalize a stagnent franchise?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
DMAC !!
good day Mr. Prez !!
?? hows it going with your lexus ??
February 28th, 2013 at 11:40 am
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Thanks 79, he’s been compared to Aldon Smith he is explosive and has rare athleticism for his size!!
Ran a 4.6, measures 6′-6″, weighs 248lbs…plays DE/OLB.
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I can’t speak on Mingo, cause I didn’t watch him play that much. I had my face burried in PAC-12 action on Saturday, and Raiders on sunday. So I know alot about guys like Barkley, Ertz, chase Thomas, Dion Jordan, etc….. I try and watch as many games as I can, but I gotta say, there’s a SH*T ton of players out there I don’t know much about, other than their hype….
February 28th, 2013 at 11:41 am
The only reason Reggietard would draft Geno is to BUY TIME.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:43 am
Last year the WRs seemed to regress, but the whole damn team did so……. The year before it looked like WR was actually one of the strengths of this team with Moore showing alot of promise. Not sure why the regression across the board last year, but Im not as down on our guys like alot on here and think they could be above average with the switch back to a more playaction vertical offense (in which they were drafted for)
February 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am
1038.realtruraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
How would it help the Raiders get a trade? It would help out the Jags or KC, not Oakland. Just like if the Eagles were the ones reported in wanting Geno it would help us get a trade partner not the Eagles
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It would help free up a player That they could be interested in that they fear might be taken at the 1 or 2 spot.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:45 am
It’s hilarious the way the QB is so talked about on here when the probability is we don’t touch 1 in the draft.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:46 am
1051.r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am
You guys hear about that one white boy WR who ran a 4.3 at the combine?
Ryan Swope 6′-0″, 205 lbs. projected 3rd rounder from Texas A&M.
^^^^^^^^^
I like WR Swope….kid is quick, can run routes and has good hands.
Would like to see him be a Raider.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:49 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
Let’s do a poll.
option 1-
Will papa Geno set this franchise back several years ala Jamucus?
or option 2-Will he revitalize a stagnent franchise?
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Im going with option 3……
Will never wear Silver and Black
February 28th, 2013 at 11:50 am
And I don’t even give a damn…lol.
As long as they catch the fu*kin ball….Was “Clank City” around here last year.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:51 am
Ghost,
What the hell happend to Cliff Harris? I thought Reggie could of brought him in here last year for a try out?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am
I PICK OPTION 4..
February 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:46 am
1051.r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:53 am
You guys hear about that one white boy WR who ran a 4.3 at the combine?
Ryan Swope 6′-0″, 205 lbs. projected 3rd rounder from Texas A&M.
^^^^^^^^^
I like WR Swope….kid is quick, can run routes and has good hands.
Would like to see him be a Raider.
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Hopefully the broncos don’t get him Swope would tear it up in the slot with Manning
February 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am
Brandon Meyers didn’t even make the top 85 list for free agents, tells you something.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:53 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:39 am
DMAC !!
good day Mr. Prez !!
?? hows it going with your lexus ??
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Wifey kind of wants a new car.
Me, I don’t want car payments.
Trying to convince her to fix the Lexus.
We shall see…
Decisions, decisions
February 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:52 am
I PICK OPTION 4..
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We pick up Kirk Cousins?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am
Kell
The word is the reason the Chiefs went with Alex instead of drafting a QB is they feel they are a legit QB away from being really good RIGHT NOW and they are not in a rebuild mode, so didn’t want to take a chance on a rookie who might need sometime to develope (1-3 years). They feel there roster is good now and don’t want to chance wasting a year or two on developing a QB while they feel there talent as whole is good now and in todays NFL the roster they have now won’t last long
February 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I dunno man….. Harris is a baller, maybe not “Honeybadger” level baller but still…. The guy was a pick waiting to happen, and he was awesome at returning punts. I bet part of his problem was “attitude”. He got benched at Oregon for awhile cause he got in trouble in offseason, and wasn’t following through on his end of “correcting” things. Prolly got a little bit of DIVA in him. I know Reggie don’t want DIVA’s.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:55 am
Damontre Moore – He finished with a 4.95, 40-yard dash and just 12 reps in the bench press. And to put that in perspective, 3 offensive linemen ran faster times in the 40 and 15 wide receivers produced better numbers in the bench press than the 6-4, 250-pound pass rusher!!
PASS…next?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am
LMAO at the KC Chiefs thinking they are a legit QB from competing. You don’t go into “win now” mode coming off a 2-14 season by picking up a journeyman QB going on his 9th coordinator. What a joke franchise they got in KC.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:58 am
Brandon Meyers didn’t even make the top 85 list for free agents, tells you something.
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that he sucks?
February 28th, 2013 at 11:58 am
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:54 am
I dunno man….. Harris is a baller, maybe not “Honeybadger” level baller but still…. The guy was a pick waiting to happen, and he was awesome at returning punts. I bet part of his problem was “attitude”. He got benched at Oregon for awhile cause he got in trouble in offseason, and wasn’t following through on his end of “correcting” things. Prolly got a little bit of DIVA in him. I know Reggie don’t want DIVA’s.
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Yeah, I knew he had off field problems, but we are sorely missing playmakers.
I thought Cliff could of helped our special teams last season.
Thats I want us to draft the honey badger.
Instant upgrade to our special teams.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:01 pm
we should see what they do with Carson first before making an assumption about drafting Geno.
our hand will be revealed if Carson takes a paycut or is let go.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Last year the WRs seemed to regress, but the whole damn team did so……. The year before it looked like WR was actually one of the strengths of this team with Moore showing alot of promise. Not sure why the regression across the board last year, but Im not as down on our guys like alot on here and think they could be above average with the switch back to a more playaction vertical offense (in which they were drafted for)
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so much optimism. it’s delusional. look at the draft investment of the current wr roster. for crying out loud our best one is a udfa! time to call a spade a spade and admit we have a bottom barrel quality starting receiver unit. there is no shame. it’s not their fault that we have not invested in the position like so many other teams, either thru the draft or free agency.
but it’s amazing they are still considered a “talented, young, up and coming” group of complementary skilled wideouts.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Yeah man, Special teams was GAWD AWEFUL last year. I mean, SH*T-TAAAAYYY.
Even when we sucked a few years back, we could hang our hat on our coverage and return teams, creating turnovers / pinning them back / getting big returns and TD’s.
I’m with you on Mathieu. I just got a feeling though, that kid’s gonna get nabbed up faster than people might think.
We’re like “Yeah, let’s get him with our 3rd.”
Sheeeit….He may be gone.
Maybe
February 28th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
we should see what they do with Carson first before making an assumption about drafting Geno.
our hand will be revealed if Carson takes a paycut or is let go.
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all that has to happen, i think it will happen prior to mar 12. we need to free up some cap space to be aggressive in free agency.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:05 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:57 am
LMAO at the KC Chiefs thinking they are a legit QB from competing. You don’t go into “win now” mode coming off a 2-14 season by picking up a journeyman QB going on his 9th coordinator. What a joke franchise they got in KC.
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I don’t think they will compete anytime soon but I guess they feel that way and so do alot of the talkin heads (most of the talkin heads are tryin to save face since they picked them last year to win the west)
February 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Thec
What happenin’ mayne?
=
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All is well Brother, what is up wit you?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mathieu is a little runt, 175 soaking wet, has some speed, but not “raider” speed. can only lift 4 reps at 225. sorry, i think we have guys on the roster that will push him to the bubble in camp. i don’t want my 3rd round pick competing for a spot. if he’s a 6th rounder i don’t have a problem with that.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Last year the WRs seemed to regress, but the whole damn team did so……. The year before it looked like WR was actually one of the strengths of this team with Moore showing alot of promise. Not sure why the regression across the board last year, but Im not as down on our guys like alot on here and think they could be above average with the switch back to a more playaction vertical offense (in which they were drafted for)
*******
so much optimism. it’s delusional. look at the draft investment of the current wr roster. for crying out loud our best one is a udfa! time to call a spade a spade and admit we have a bottom barrel quality starting receiver unit. there is no shame. it’s not their fault that we have not invested in the position like so many other teams, either thru the draft or free agency.
but it’s amazing they are still considered a “talented, young, up and coming” group of complementary skilled wideouts.
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Honestly IMO, theres no fkin way we can judge our Offensive unit last season w/ Knappy.
Every player on offense regressed w/ the exception of Veldy and Myers.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Thec Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:26 am
Thec
What happenin’ mayne?
=
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All is well Brother, what is up wit you?
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Another day, another $$$
Same schit, different schitter
February 28th, 2013 at 12:09 pm
Another day, another $$$
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Dollars instead of nickels…Good
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
I was referencing Cutler’s fumbles from
nflhttp://www.nfl.com/player/jaycutler/2495824/profile
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
word for today is………TRENCHMEN
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mathieu is a little runt, 175 soaking wet, has some speed, but not “raider” speed. can only lift 4 reps at 225. sorry, i think we have guys on the roster that will push him to the bubble in camp. i don’t want my 3rd round pick competing for a spot. if he’s a 6th rounder i don’t have a problem with that.
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I like him in the 4th round.
Who cares if only had 4 reps. You can build on your stregnth, but you can teach guys how to play football.
Dude is a playmaker, plain and simple.
Would be an instant upgrade to our horrendous special teams.
Kid was a heisman candidate at the age of what? 19
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am
1038.realtruraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
How would it help the Raiders get a trade? It would help out the Jags or KC, not Oakland. Just like if the Eagles were the ones reported in wanting Geno it would help us get a trade partner not the Eagles
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It would help free up a player That they could be interested in that they fear might be taken at the 1 or 2 spot.
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Sure it would, but thats not what most people have ben talkin about, not just on here but on twitter other blogs etc… Most have ben sayin we are tryin to get a trade partner to move up to #3.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
I was referencing Cutler’s fumbles from
nflhttp://www.nfl.com/player/jaycutler/2495824/profile
+++++++++++
JFORD is going to lay waste to your pocket book…
February 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Honestly IMO, theres no fkin way we can judge our Offensive unit last season w/ Knappy.
Every player on offense regressed w/ the exception of Veldy and Myers.
^^^^^^^^
what up DMAC?
I hear you you on laying the blame on knapp-time. but I also remember well how many dropped passes on the fingertips and how many ugly, sloppy routes our wideouts made. I don’t know what pct of the blame falls on the coaches, but the WR’s were not do their job. I’m not saying they regressed either, just that they maybe just overestimated their real talent level. They aint good. no bueno!
February 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
MAJOR DEUCES IN THE HIZZY
Brahs I woke up this am with a major case of the Hershey Squirts
Which is strange because all I did last night was pound a bucket of KFC plus half a bag of Flamin’ Cheetos and eat out a black stripper’s va-jay-jay for 45 mins
Anyway I dropped a hella dope diarrhea, said a quick prayer to the U.S.A. and put on some Billy Ocean to calm my butt crack
Should be drinking Lowenbraus by 12:30, whut whut
Any of you Goobers ever join an online porn site? Thinking about dropping $5 for milfhunter but want to make sure it’s good for at least 3 or 4 quality jerks a day
KEEPIN IT STRAIGHT FLY
February 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Thec Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
word for today is………TRENCHMEN
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Hopefully we don’t pick at 3, but if we do, who would you like us to draft Thec?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
JFORD is going to lay waste to your pocket book…
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I heard about that 420 bet Thec…
I’m with you on that one. I think he goes over.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:12 pm
Thec Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
word for today is………TRENCHMEN
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Hopefully we don’t pick at 3, but if we do, who would you like us to draft Thec?
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Best Dlinemen or Pass rusher on the board….
Was high on DMOE, not so much now, he needs to get stronger IMO
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Honestly IMO, theres no fkin way we can judge our Offensive unit last season w/ Knappy.
Every player on offense regressed w/ the exception of Veldy and Myers.
^^^^^^^^
what up DMAC?
I hear you you on laying the blame on knapp-time. but I also remember well how many dropped passes on the fingertips and how many ugly, sloppy routes our wideouts made. I don’t know what pct of the blame falls on the coaches, but the WR’s were not do their job. I’m not saying they regressed either, just that they maybe just overestimated their real talent level. They aint good. no bueno!
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Yeah, guys did drop hella passes, but they seriously regressed from 1 year to another.
I say bad coaching.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
Cuz the WRs mostly sucked Kook, didn’t you actually WATCH any of those games?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
all that has to happen, i think it will happen prior to mar 12. we need to free up some cap space to be aggressive in free agency.
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yea we definitely wont have to wait long … it will be revealed soon
yes we need the space. if Carson doesn’t want to take a huge paycut, we’ll be in Geno city. that’s my guess. it all depends on what CP3 will do.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
JFORD is going to lay waste to your pocket book…
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I heard about that 420 bet Thec…
I’m with you on that one. I think he goes over.
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whats good Guest? I will allways give hime a chance to square it. we will have another quarky bet before this one is done, as he is a stand up guy IMO….
February 28th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
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Good ??? Kelly
February 28th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:14 pm
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
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The Voice of Logic…
February 28th, 2013 at 12:16 pm
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
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Glad you asked this question. I explain it like this. If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
thanks for asking!
February 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Beeech, I am certain that is the best $5 you will spend this month…
February 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
I hear you you on laying the blame on knapp-time. but I also remember well how many dropped passes on the fingertips and how many ugly, sloppy routes our wideouts made. I don’t know what pct of the blame falls on the coaches, but the WR’s were not do their job. I’m not saying they regressed either, just that they maybe just overestimated their real talent level. They aint good. no bueno!
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Now, I’m no “Dr. Phil”….But as far back as Pre-season, I knew something wasn’t right with DMO17. I came here askin if people saw what I did.
He was withdrawn / uninterested, and in solitude alot. When Pryor hit Criner for that awesome TD against Detroit, even DHB flew off the bench to hug Criner and was all smiles. They were all celebrating…..Except DMO. He just sat at the end of the bench; looking straight ahead, and spat on the ground….Like he didn’t want any part of the hooplah.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
I am out guys…Back to lurking…..
1 NATION in the sports world exist
February 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Thec Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:15 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:13 pm
JFORD is going to lay waste to your pocket book…
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I heard about that 420 bet Thec…
I’m with you on that one. I think he goes over.
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whats good Guest? I will allways give hime a chance to square it. we will have another quarky bet before this one is done, as he is a stand up guy IMO….
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I want in on a bet.
I bet anyone on this blog, the playuh patna Thec comes through w/ some fly breezies at a Raider game this season?
Who wants to lose their $$$$$
February 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Real,who is we since the Raiders already own the #3 pick?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:18 pm
Peace Thec
February 28th, 2013 at 12:19 pm
I hope Star checks out okay. Recent chatter suggests that the hear condition could be just from the diet he was on and lost 10 pounds in 3 days before the combine. It could be something small and treatable.
Hope so…because I want Star to still be seriously considered as as Raiders draft pick at #3.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Carson has huge upside.
With the right working parts on this team he will shine in a cleaner way.
He can make every throw, I didn’t see a single hint of “age” in his arm or play.
All I saw was an awful pass-protection, no run game, hurt Wr’s and young WR’s, drops …
not too mention the defense was terrible and the punt return and kick return games were worst in league.
DA has a lot to fix, but carson is not one of them.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
He was also hit & sacked less than most QB’s in the league. Yet everyone else is to blame?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
and I’m not saying the entire group is hot trash, but we need a #1 wideout in the worst way. Till then, we got an assortment of guys who different things well, but no one who can take over the game when needed and move the sticks in crunch time with the game on the line. We don’t have any one wideout that defenses must gameplan for. It hurts our running game as well as they can creep up and stack the box.
I’m not saying cut the entire roster, just dump DHB and his $10M salary and replace it with a legit WR#1. It would catapult the crew to its potential that everyone keeps mentioning every preseason.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:21 pm
I’m w/ on this 1 Invitado uno dos tres
We seriously need a #1 receiver
February 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/25/utah-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-nfl-combine/1946109/
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I hope Star checks out okay. Recent chatter suggests that the hear condition could be just from the diet he was on and lost 10 pounds in 3 days before the combine. It could be something small and treatable.
Hope so…because I want Star to still be seriously considered as as Raiders draft pick at #3.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:24 pm
The more I think about, the more I kind of like.
Draft Warmack and let DMAC run wild.
It will do wonders for CP3.
Veldy – Warmack – Wiz – Brisiel – ???????
February 28th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
es verdad mayne
February 28th, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Damn, is it true the Chiefs haven’t won a single game with a QB they drafted in the last 30 years? Thats just crazy, I can understand why Chief fans are so pissed at trading for Alex instead of drafting Geno. The Raiders haven’t had great luck with drafting QBs lately either but its nothing compared to the Chiefs.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
I was referencing Cutler’s fumbles from
nflhttp://www.nfl.com/player/jaycutler/2495824/profile
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They do agree with Pro Football Reference on the 8 fumbles. PFR has them losing 7. Need a tie breaker.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
It’s like a kick right in the JUNK……. If you really think about ALL the needs we have. You could make an arguement that just about every position, at every phase, is in desperate need of upgrade……
Bbbuuuuuuuuuhhhhh
February 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Give me Warmack too over Geno. Warmack will be starting game #1 for us roadgrading along side Wiz and Veldy. Geno would be on the sidelines tossing the ball to Pryor checking out the cheerleaders.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Alex is goin to get crushed w/ their horrible O-line.
It’ll be Mike Singletary days all over for him again. The Queefs will look to trade their pick, if not my $$$$ on Joeckel.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:29 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
It’s like a kick right in the JUNK……. If you really think about ALL the needs we have. You could make an arguement that just about every position, at every phase, is in desperate need of upgrade……
Bbbuuuuuuuuuhhhhh
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Real talk, w/ the exception of wherever Houston lines up at.
lol
February 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
Gotta run peoples
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
February 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
1154.raiderinparadise Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Carson has huge upside.
With the right working parts on this team he will shine in a cleaner way.
He can make every throw, I didn’t see a single hint of “age” in his arm or play.
All I saw was an awful pass-protection, no run game, hurt Wr’s and young WR’s, drops …
not too mention the defense was terrible and the punt return and kick return games were worst in league.
DA has a lot to fix, but carson is not one of them.
^^^^^^^^
It would be nice to see CP have a solid running game behind him and a good play caller/OC.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:30 pm
1089.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:34 am
Matt Barkley is not an NFL QB.
I guess you will have to change your “handle” again.
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Shut your mouth Bill Pickel
February 28th, 2013 at 12:31 pm
Warmack would be nice also.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:32 pm
Yeah I like Houston ALOT…..Got a Motor from hell, and a mouth to match. I hope he sticks for awhile.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/25/utah-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-nfl-combine/1946109/
^^^^^^^^
I think Star checks out okay.
Recent chatter suggests that the hear condition could just be from the diet he was on and lost 10 pounds in 3 days before the combine. It could be something small and treatable.
Hope so…because I want Star to still be seriously considered as the Raiders draft pick at #3.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Warmack … instant dominant upgrade …
February 28th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
Later DMAC
February 28th, 2013 at 12:34 pm
Chiefs have a horrible Oline? I know they signed the best RT last year (Winston) and Brandon Albert is a FA this year who only gave up 1 sack last year. If Albert wants to much money and they don’t franchise or sign him then there #1 need would be a LT, but if they sign him then I don’t see them taking a LT
February 28th, 2013 at 12:37 pm
Obviously they wouldn’t take a LT if they resign Albert
February 28th, 2013 at 12:42 pm
For you young guys out there who don’t remember how dominant this Raider org. was back in the day, correct me if i’m wrong but I think there is only ONE TEAM in the league we don’t have an overall winning record against…and that is KC. We used to dominate that series too, but it took a severe hit during the Schottenheimer regime when he beat us like 18 out of 21 games…uggggh. We have been gaining in that series lately though by sweeping last yr. it’s now 55-52 KC.
It’s possible that Miami has us now though since we’ve been losing to them every damn time lately. But teams like Pittsburgh and Dallas? We’re still on top head to head.
Problem is all the teams are starting to catch up…fast.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
1172.DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:33 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2013/02/25/utah-defensive-tackle-star-lotulelei-nfl-combine/1946109/
^^^^^^^^
I think Star checks out okay.
Recent chatter suggests that the hear condition could just be from the diet he was on and lost 10 pounds in 3 days before the combine. It could be something small and treatable.
Hope so…because I want Star to still be seriously considered as the Raiders draft pick at #3.
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Would you trade the #3 Pick (star) to the Whiners.
Wouldn’t a stud NT be a nice upgrade to their D?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
JLofty Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:17 pm
Beeech, I am certain that is the best $5 you will spend this month…
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Seems like a pretty solid value
I’m just hoping The Milfhunter porks plenty of honry african-american mothers
Got a major Boner-Dawg for the dark meat after seeing Kerry Washington in Django Unchained
Suddenly I find myself reading Ebony Magazine all day and doing the moonwalk around the pool
February 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
http://www.bflo360.com/2013/02/2013-nfl-mock-draft-post-combine-edition.html#sthash.mAZiLysW.uxfs
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I like this mock for Raiders.
Would love the Dion Jordan pick at #3. Kid can pretty much do it all as a pass rusher and he has skills to cover and pursue and tackle.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:43 pm
I will venture to say that the Raider run between 1967-and 1984 ranks as one of the greatest franchise stretches in sports history.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
How is it that the Palmer people on one side of their mouth brag about 4,000 passing yds, and on the other side of their mouth throw the WR’s under the bus?
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2012 Players and receptions
Dmac Reece Goodson Stewart 42 52 16 8
TJ TP 2 1
Meyers Ausberry Gordon 79 7 2
Bey Moore Streater Hagan Criner 41 51 39 20 16
167 receptions WR’s
206 receptions everybody else
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2012.htm
Kell, you ever get tired of asking stupid questions and getting slapped down?
February 28th, 2013 at 12:45 pm
OLB/RDE Dion Jordan….instant dominate upgrade as well!
February 28th, 2013 at 12:48 pm
EJ Manual comments on the wave of the future, and hybrid offense. He also weighs in on the historical significance of the changing face of the nfl qb position.
This kid gets it
“I don’t think I have to be Colin Kaepernick,” said Manuel, who ran a 4.65 40 on Sunday at the combine. “I don’t have to be Russell Wilson. I can be EJ Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys.
“When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the [preparation for the] draft. Knowing that that kind of quarterback, a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat, it’s more accepted now, as opposed to 5-10 years ago, it really wasn’t accepted.
“Back then, you didn’t want to act like you [wanted to] run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it’s more embraced as a quarterback.”
Smith, one of the draft’s top two rated quarterbacks, along with Matt Barkley, ran a 4.56 40, confirming that he definitely is fast enough to run the read option.
“I played in three different systems in college, including the read option,” he said. “I think that’s something I’ve always been capable of. I have the skill set that fits any offense. I can play within the pocket, but I’m athletic enough to run that style of offense.”
February 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
Kell, you ever get tired of asking stupid questions and getting slapped down?
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What? shutup dumbass.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:51 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:28 pm
Give me Warmack too over Geno. Warmack will be starting game #1 for us roadgrading along side Wiz and Veldy. Geno would be on the sidelines tossing the ball to Pryor checking out the cheerleaders.
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if Geno is on the roster, that means Palmer is gone. Geno will start week 1 while Pryor will battle with whoever else we bring in (soup would be cool)
February 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
with that said, i love the warmack pick. fortify the front!
February 28th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Off to the Gym, later.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Never draft a guard at 3 ..
February 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
1132.realtruraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 11:44 am
1038.realtruraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:41 am
How would it help the Raiders get a trade? It would help out the Jags or KC, not Oakland. Just like if the Eagles were the ones reported in wanting Geno it would help us get a trade partner not the Eagles
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It would help free up a player That they could be interested in that they fear might be taken at the 1 or 2 spot.
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Sure it would, but thats not what most people have ben talkin about, not just on here but on twitter other blogs etc… Most have ben sayin we are tryin to get a trade partner to move up to #3.
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Well it’s just one option. If no one bites and they don’t want Geno, they can still look for a Trade down. A trade down is just what everyone here wants, who know what Reggie plans to do.
February 28th, 2013 at 12:59 pm
draft o line like wrmack or one of the pass rushers jordan or ansah.
If not trade down
hand the keys to tp6
If tp 6 isnt the answer we cann take a stab at these guys coming down the pipe.
Bridgewater
braxton miller
brett hundly
Tahj Boyd
there are more but you will have to wait for my annual pre season college watch list
by the way for the last few years guys on my list have been tearing up the nfl
February 28th, 2013 at 1:01 pm
1189.Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Never draft a guard at 3 ..
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Who cares, in draft class where there’s really no one who deserves top 5 anyways, why not just take the player who will help us the fastest and longest? Regardless of position.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:04 pm
Because he plays guard.. we can hire a new water boy that will last us the next 45 years but I don’t think we need to waste a top draft pick on one.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Mistic,
I’m putting a “SUPER” early bird prediction on Marcus Mariota. He’s going to be “THE” man…….
He’ll be the supurb Pocket Passer, with the legs to murder you..
Sure Manziel won the Heisman, but Mariota will be the more coveted Pro Prospect…..2015 – Mariota buzz will be deafening.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:12 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:07 pm
Mistic,
I’m putting a “SUPER” early bird prediction on Marcus Mariota. He’s going to be “THE” man…….
He’ll be the supurb Pocket Passer, with the legs to murder you..
Sure Manziel won the Heisman, but Mariota will be the more coveted Pro Prospect…..2015 – Mariota buzz will be deafening.
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I can agree that marriotta IS a better nfl prospect than party boy manziel
based on size and arm strength
February 28th, 2013 at 1:14 pm
Never draft a guard at 3 ..
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why not?
all of the top players in this draft have some warts. some very good players but not many who are elite. warmack at 3 at least secures a spot for the next decade you don’t have to worry about upgrading. he’s not a no-brainer pick at 3, but should be on the short list.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:16 pm
Yeah, and I once thought we could trade BACK, and pick up Dion Jordan in the mid 1st, but his stock is rising so fast that most mocks don’t have him making it past the 5th pick…..
I’d love to have Jordan, but I also really want a 2nd rounder too.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
hmmm
4200 yards 42 tds and 6 ints – geno smith
i dont see any “warts” on that resume
February 28th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
I wish we could trade back a couple spots and still pick up Warmack. He looks unreal on tape, like the BCS games.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:17 pm
Floyd did 4 bench reps at his max of 465.. thats pretty nice
Squated 2 reps at 580..
Power and quicks..
February 28th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
MARIOTA has no arm, bad passer, not natural, he’s from Hawaii he played one yr starting QB in Highschool, watched em, didn’t even get an offer from Univeristy of Hawaii.
He was a tall, lanky fast kid that could work in oregons “system” offense.
None of those “qb’s” work in the NFL..
you HAVE to be a passer first, pocket passer at that, make reads and progressions, NFL QB is all about beating the defense with the playbook, audibles and making the right throw …
it never works by running and rolling and using athleticism to beat teams, that works for short times till injuries and defensive schemes shut you up.
now extending plays is great … thats diff … thats what big ben does … thats ok, but thats only used when a play breaks down.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Jordan would be a very good fit in my opinion, especially if tarver will be going 3 and 2 dline packages like he did last year toward the end of the season.
What makes jordan unioque besides his ability to put his hand in the dirt or stand up in the so called elephant, he is also adept at covering the slot.
Imagine a faster kam wimbly that can actually cover.
Im not sure exactly who he compares to because of this unique blend.
In fact i think that oregon was so cute on defense at times with jordan in coverage it actually hurt his sack total
February 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
CAM NEWTON 13-19
February 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
i dont see any “warts” on that resume
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kc chiefs would disagree with u
February 28th, 2013 at 1:22 pm
Next year we have all our draft picks finally and QB is not a need right now if CP restructures.
ESPN is sure pumping up the geno to Raiders deal.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:56 pm
Never draft a guard at 3 ..
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So instead we just pick someone that might be a bust?
Reggie needs to NAIL this pick… no better way to do it!
WARMACK WARMACK WARMACK!
February 28th, 2013 at 1:23 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
MARIOTA has no arm, bad passer, not natural, he’s from Hawaii he played one yr starting QB in Highschool, watched em, didn’t even get an offer from Univeristy of Hawaii.
He was a tall, lanky fast kid that could work in oregons “system” offense.
None of those “qb’s” work in the NFL..
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not sure it you have noticed but the spread option is the latest rage in pro ball.
Im not saying mariota will be a starting qb, but he in my mind is a better pro prospect than manziel at this point.
i could see him backing up for teams that run that hybrid offense in the nfl
February 28th, 2013 at 1:25 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
i dont see any “warts” on that resume
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kc chiefs would disagree with u
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Lol we also disagreed on matt cassel and brady quinn, so thats fine with me
February 28th, 2013 at 1:26 pm
In fact i think that oregon was so cute on defense at times with jordan in coverage it actually hurt his sack total
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It absolutely did. Jordan was a Holy Terror in his Jr. Year….. This last year they had him dropping into coverage WAAAAYYY to much. They guy has Clay Mathews type pressure ability. I think you’re right on with what you just said. He IS unique, nobody else like him really. Plus he’s got the frame to add another 15-20 lbs if needs be.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Jets are bringing in Garrard and Quinn. You would think they would draft Geno if given the chance.
I plunckdict Geno has a fantastic pro day. If he does, you know that the talking heads on TV will blow him up and there will be lots of talk about trades.
Teams are willing to take bigger chances now then ever on QBs. You plug them in right away and if they don’t work out, draft a new one in three years and try again
There are no longer the huge time consuming money investment they use to be.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
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not sure it you have noticed but the spread option is the latest rage in pro ball.
Im not saying mariota will be a starting qb, but he in my mind is a better pro prospect than manziel at this point.
i could see him backing up for teams that run that hybrid offense in the nfl
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Plus, he tied the school record for TD’s THROWN, in a single season….That’s (Thrown)….and he was within a couple hundred yards of eclipsing most yardage THROWN for in a single season.
All without having an Arm…..lol
He’s also a Freshman
February 28th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
the reason pass rushers have been flying up the draft boards is because they are more important than guards.. clearly warnack has fewer questions.. but nobody will care because he plays guard. The only question has been answered. The question was can he play tackle? Nope
February 28th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Why do ppl keep saying Tyrann is 175 pounds? He just weighed in at 186 pounds at the combine. Said he would be another 10 pounds by Training camp.
He stands near 5ft 9. Plenty of small guys.. like Brandon flowers, Javier Arenas, Joselio Hansen (raiders) and who can forget the great STERLING MOORE
UDFA sterling moore didnt have half the talent as tyrann does but still playing.
Dominated the SEC as a 18 yr old freshman creating plays, causing fumbles, getting INTS, and taking TD’s to the house as a Punt Returner. Kid loves to compete and plays with a chip on his shoulder.. something this Defense has be lacking for awhile
February 28th, 2013 at 1:32 pm
Teams are willing to take bigger chances now then ever on QBs. You plug them in right away and if they don’t work out, draft a new one in three years and try again
There are no longer the huge time consuming money investment they use to be.
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That’s why taking a Guard at #3 doesn’t seem so obnoxious right now. It’s not like we’d be dropping 50 Mil on his Arse
February 28th, 2013 at 1:35 pm
I like what Herm said about on if he would draft TYRANN MATHIEU
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He said ya its a risk.. but the kid a pure football Player and eventually you are gonna have to take a FLYER on a Good football player.
this kid is on espn, nfl network .. not bad for a 5ft 8 3/4 Cornerback. WHY?? cuz he is a potential playmaker
February 28th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
Plunketthead Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:28 pm
Jets are bringing in Garrard and Quinn. You would think they would draft Geno if given the chance.
I plunckdict Geno has a fantastic pro day. If he does, you know that the talking heads on TV will blow him up and there will be lots of talk about trades.
Teams are willing to take bigger chances now then ever on QBs. You plug them in right away and if they don’t work out, draft a new one in three years and try again
There are no longer the huge time consuming money investment they use to be.
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How is Quinn getting any action at all??? With a guy like Quinn getting looks, JaMarcus might even have a chance to start someplace next year. Stay tuned.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
1131.DMAC Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
guest123 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Mathieu is a little runt, 175 soaking wet, has some speed, but not “raider” speed. can only lift 4 reps at 225. sorry, i think we have guys on the roster that will push him to the bubble in camp. i don’t want my 3rd round pick competing for a spot. if he’s a 6th rounder i don’t have a problem with that.
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I like him in the 4th round.
Who cares if only had 4 reps. You can build on your stregnth, but you can teach guys how to play football.
Dude is a playmaker, plain and simple.
Would be an instant upgrade to our horrendous special teams.
Kid was a heisman candidate at the age of what? 19
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if we draft mathieu wherever, he will most likely be the starting nickel corner opening day and will most likely make the most impact defensive plays on our team. looking and drafting guys based on size, combine stats has gotten us NO WHERE. look at the tape, if you can find a player in the entire draft that made more of an impact when they were on the field than mathieu, let me know. broke LSU’s school record for forced fumbles when he was 19 yrs old and weighed 160, maybe. now he ways 185 (combine weigh in). was the heisman runner up as a true sohpomore, on defense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U7_hzArz2w
February 28th, 2013 at 1:38 pm
However
I want us to land 1 of 4 Corners.
X. Rhodes. Trufant plays physical. Jordan Poyer out of OSU (7ints) last year .. or Tyrann mathieu Turnover maching, Heisman finalist and all around fearless kid.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:40 pm
LOLOLOL…….
Alright Debo, I got nothing…….. Quinn does blow chuncks of epic porportions.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:41 pm
mathieu also picked off geno smith (the guy a lot of people wana pick with the 3rd overall) both times he played hagainst him…just saying
February 28th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
X. Rhodes. Trufant plays physical. Jordan Poyer out of OSU (7ints) last year .. or Tyrann mathieu Turnover maching, Heisman finalist and all around fearless kid.
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I like the “Fearless” part. That’s SOOO crutial for a defender. A fearless Ball HAWK? AND Dynamic returner?
sign me up
February 28th, 2013 at 1:43 pm
we have the opportunity to draft a freak talent. that’s what you get at the top. Jordans can play the Elephant. That is extraordinarily rare. Plus he can play in the 43 as a solid outside linebacker or de. Floyd can bring big pressure up the middle..very rare… geno plays qb….. this is why you want to be a scout for a GM for the chance to appraise Talent..
February 28th, 2013 at 1:45 pm
Yep Dion Jordan would be a good pick for Allens Defense. or trade back a few spots and Nab MINGO ..
gotta get Allen some guys for his defense. Mathieu would be good in that “joker ” spot.. blitz the qb and im sure he would actually get to that qb and not run around him like mitchell
February 28th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
we took a mr. safe pick a few years ago named gallery…. I wasn’t too impressed…
February 28th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:31 pm
the reason pass rushers have been flying up the draft boards is because they are more important than guards.. clearly warnack has fewer questions.. but nobody will care because he plays guard. The only question has been answered. The question was can he play tackle? Nope
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If we want to draft a pass rusher, just trade back and take your pick. Maybe trade back twice or three times and STILL take your pick. They are all hit or miss, IMO.
But if Reggie simply wants to NAIL our first pick he should just draft WARMACK at three and go to bed with a smile on his face that night.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:48 pm
Trade back to 7, take the best available out of Floyd, Jordan, Moore, Jones, Star or Werner.
2nd round take Mathiue
3rd take a Guard
This isn’t the last year of franchise ready QB’s. There will be more next year. But if we don’t trade out of spot 3 then I don’t see how we add significant value to this defense. Taking Geno means banking on trading Carson for a 2nd round pick that will HAVE to go to the DLine.
I think Carson or Pryor will be good enough for next year. I don’t think our defense is.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:49 pm
ya mathieu will be gone by mid 3rd round. some team with alot of picks will take him in 3rd. Deion Sanders thinks he will be gone late 2nd round.
I know the niners were talking to mathieu at the combine
Deion Sanders on MATHIEU
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap2000000145259/Deion-Sanders-Tyrann-Mathieu-will-be-a-baller?campaign=Twitter_videos_mathieu
February 28th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
Jeff Duncan@JeffDuncanTP
Deion Sanders on Tyrann Mathieu: “This kid is going to be a flat-out baller in the NFL.”
February 28th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
CAM NEWTON 13-19 enuff SAID!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
we took a mr. safe pick a few years ago named gallery…. I wasn’t too impressed…
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He was one of the 19% bust rate for tackles… even though he was far from a bust.
Your pass rushers bust at over 40%. Almost a coin flip.
If we want that kind of risk, trade back and draft two players. Its the same risk as simply just picking an o-lineman at three.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
Nobody like LUCK or GRIFFIN in draft, so pass on QB’s take the best Pass rusher available
February 28th, 2013 at 1:52 pm
trade back is best for us. But I’m talking if that doesn’t happen..
February 28th, 2013 at 1:54 pm
Its gonna happen. Reggie is not crazy. He knows we need draft picks like crazy. Im sure if he could get GENO late 1st.. he would
but Raiders are trading back or taking Dion Jordan at 3
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
Anyone got a membership to the 24 Hr Fitness in Alameda?
Would love to someone post a few You Tube videos of Krappy dropping some weights on his foot
Or him getting on that old fashioned machine with the huge belt that jiggles your belly
Probably keep that one in the basement
I’ll give the videographer access to my Milfhunter account, holla
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
How is Quinn getting any action at all??? With a guy like Quinn getting looks, JaMarcus might even have a chance to start someplace next year. Stay tuned.
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Slowly starting to get it. Baby steps. Quinn not starting anywhere without two QB’s going down in the same game and nobody available in FA.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
i wouldn’t be mad at jordan at 3. i would wnt him to bulk up to 260 at least though
February 28th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Interesting Kiper still has J.JOnes as his number 1 player on the board
February 28th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:51 pm
CAM NEWTON 13-19 enuff SAID!!!
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Seriously. I actually think Newton is great but if you have tons of holes all over the team, you’re still gonna turn out a loser even after finding your QB.
February 28th, 2013 at 1:57 pm
how many great defensive tackles do we face in the afc west? None??
How mant great passing attacks do we face?
We dont need a guard nearly as much as a pass rusher. Jordan fits our defense…. if we stay at 3 thats our guy
February 28th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
jones does it all, relentless power/speed
February 28th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
here’s one stratey:
restructure CP, draft warmack, sign a #1 receiver and the O is stacked. draft D with the rest of your picks, resign bryant wheeler sign some good value fa’s on d and coach the d up
February 28th, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Hey, I’m totally down with Jordan……Plus I’m a bit of an Oregon “Homer” so, that would suit my ARSE just fine.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:04 pm
hypothetically, if the niners get revis they would probably have to give up a first or the second they get from the chiefs, and probably more. if the chiefs get smith they probably aren’t taking geno, so he’ll probably fall to us…could we trade the jets at # 9 our #3 for their #9 and whatever pick(s) the niners give them? hopefully a late first, early 2nd. probably be best case
February 28th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:56 pm
Interesting Kiper still has J.JOnes as his number 1 player on the board
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Now you know why Kiuper has still never made an actual pick for an actual team even after twenty years of “scouting”. Unless of course you count Mike Brown and the Bungholes, who only until recently created a scouting department. For years he just went with whoever Kiuper said.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Man to me GENO would be nice.. but we need more draft picks right now.
We need players on Defense.. and if Geno is there in our trade down.. then GREAT.. if not .. go pass rusher
Alot of talent will come off the boards in the 2nd round. Important to have that 2nd round pick.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
i wouldn’t be mad at jordan at 3. i would wnt him to bulk up to 260 at least though
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Chip Kelly had Dion Jordan covering WR’s in goal line packages. Jordan is that good.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
i wouldn’t be mad at jordan at 3. i would wnt him to bulk up to 260 at least though
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Chip Kelly had Dion Jordan covering WR’s in goal line packages. Jordan is that good
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i’m not doubting his talent.but he’ll get blown off the ball at 245 in the run game. unless we get a justing smith type to put next to him like the niners have for aldon. even at 260, when j. smith went out he looked mediocre at best, horrible against the run. seattle ran right at him almost every big play
February 28th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:02 pm
here’s one stratey:
restructure CP, draft warmack, sign a #1 receiver and the O is stacked. draft D with the rest of your picks, resign bryant wheeler sign some good value fa’s on d and coach the d up
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A voice of reason in a sea of insanity!
February 28th, 2013 at 2:15 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:08 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
i wouldn’t be mad at jordan at 3. i would wnt him to bulk up to 260 at least though
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Chip Kelly had Dion Jordan covering WR’s in goal line packages. Jordan is that good
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260-265 would be perfect size for him, keep his quickness/speed but add bulk so he can hold against OT’s better in the run game. most good OLB/DE are about 260-265 with von miller being the exception, but he ran a 4.41 forty, big diffference.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I noticed jordan doing alot of coverage.He can pass rush & Blitz. Plus he has the hips and tge speed to turn and chase these fast qbs around.. he’s an extremely difficult talent to find at 1 of our biggest positions of need.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
How about Jordan, Bryant, Houston, Shaughnessy?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:18 pm
Jordan can, and will get bigger. He waited on repairing his torn Labrum (Shoulder) so he could compete at the combine. That restricted his time in the gym. So once he’s fixed, I know he’s gonna work on putting on some more beef.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
If anything u need to draft most defensive guys.
the Offense going back to the power scheme will be huge.
We need some corners and pass rushers
February 28th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
what’s going on with Dion Jordan’s shoulder?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
i know he needs surgery but is it bigor small? will he be ready for camp?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
Off to the Gym, later
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Kell what do you do at the gym? Hand out towels to all the naked sweaty guys before they shower?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
If anything u need to draft most defensive guys.
the Offense going back to the power scheme will be huge.
We need some corners and pass rushers
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Definitely.
I don’t see how Mathieu doesn’t immediately start for us.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:22 pm
He’ll be fine by otas
February 28th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Jordan tore his Labrum in the middle of last year. Played out the 2nd half of the season Hurt. It’s not a BIG deal. I tore my labrum too. Definately not “Career” jeapordizing injury. They’re an easy fix too. In fact, I think he had surgery directly following the combine… he’ll be fully re-habed by training camp. Shouldn’t miss a beat. He stayed in that good of shape to enter the combine…. He’s disciplined.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Stop worrying so much. Dion Jordan is a STUD!
McK and Raiders should pick him at #3 and let the kid shine….just as long as he is not a head case and low life.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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Definitely.
I don’t see how Mathieu doesn’t immediately start for us.
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Dude……Did you watch the Mathieu highlights?
WOW….. He plays WAY bigger than his size. He’s a fu*kin FREAK talent. He’s not a kind of guy that appears in the draft every year. He’s special on another level. Gotta grab that kid.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I’m telling you if we pass on a guard and he turns out to be a great guard no 1 will really care. But if we pass on a defensive end or a quarterback and they turn out to be great we will never forgive ourselves. we’re going to have our choice of almost every player….
February 28th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
cowboys just announced 5 restructured contracts. what are we (the raiders) doing?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Stop worrying so much. Dion Jordan is a STUD!
McK and Raiders should pick him at #3 and let the kid shine….just as long as he is not a head case and low life.
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He’s neither man……Trust me, I live in Eugene and seen every snap he played in. I’ve even met the guy / seen all his interviews / I’m “In the Know” with all things Oregon Football. Jordan is legit in all categories.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:28 pm
I like mathieu too. I think he’s moved into rd 2 though.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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Jason Campbell was more of a winner than Palmer with worse WR’s
Ford, Murphy & Schilens weren’t missed
Hagan, Streater & Criner were upgrades
yet JC won twice as many games!
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Yeah, people were clamoring for us to grab him in the 3rd but I agree…..I don’t think he’ll BE there in the 3rd.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
cowboys just announced 5 restructured contracts. what are we (the raiders) doing?
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BigMac has 5-10 “out of whack” contracts staring him in the face every day.
I’m sure something will be done sooner or later!
February 28th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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Definitely.
I don’t see how Mathieu doesn’t immediately start for us.
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Dude……Did you watch the Mathieu highlights?
WOW….. He plays WAY bigger than his size. He’s a fu*kin FREAK talent. He’s not a kind of guy that appears in the draft every year. He’s special on another level. Gotta grab that kid.
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Yeah and that was before he had a reason to really prove himself.
Going from Heisman contender to out of the first round is sure to add even more fire to his play.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
1267.theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Yeah, people were clamoring for us to grab him in the 3rd but I agree…..I don’t think he’ll BE there in the 3rd.
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i have faith that somehow we will get a 2nd round pick. if reggie asses on him and someone scoops him up right after us ima be pissed. seems to always happen to us. we pass on a star for a avg. player (at best) and then like withing 3 spots a star is drafted.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Tyrann interview on nfl.com if anyone cares to watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upmNVpCuSDk
February 28th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Id love to land phillp thomas.. there’s a lot of safeties that are built and have talents and instincts exactly like Mike Mitchell in this draft rated above Thomas.. id be extatic to land him in 3. that kid is legit a ball hawk he can read he has instincts and he can move his feet and hips.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
How about Jordan, Bryant, Houston, Shaughnessy?
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i’d be worried about the run d, but damn we’d be able to put alotta pressure on the qb
February 28th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
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Definitely.
I don’t see how Mathieu doesn’t immediately start for us.
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Dude……Did you watch the Mathieu highlights?
WOW….. He plays WAY bigger than his size. He’s a fu*kin FREAK talent. He’s not a kind of guy that appears in the draft every year. He’s special on another level. Gotta grab that kid.
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Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
i believe he is more then good enough as a pro prospect player.
Russell Wilson wasnt a good pro prospect either cuz he was 5ft 10. Time and time again these young kids coming out or proving everyone wrong including guys like Mayock
February 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
are*
February 28th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
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Maybe they were good BECAUSE Palmer was there. The proof is in the pudding. Johnson left and did nothing even with Brady as his Q. Terrell Owens had a thousand yard season and could not get a sniff the next year. And Housmandazeh did nothing without Palmer either. Maybe that tells you something.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
and if mathieu was 5ft 11 3/8 like milliner he would be considered a 1st round prospect
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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i didn’t see reid, mingo, or mongomery at the heisman ceremony? u can argue that they were better because mathieu had to be accounted for. they all had worse years this year than last.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
i believe he is more then good enough as a pro prospect player.
Russell Wilson wasnt a good pro prospect either cuz he was 5ft 10. Time and time again these young kids coming out or proving everyone wrong including guys like Mayock
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Desean Jackson as well. I just know if I saw Mathieu out there trying to defend, I would put someone like DHB or Bowe out there and have him run right over him.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Take Damontre Moore at 3rd and call it a day
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 1:20 pm
MARIOTA has no arm, bad passer, not natural, he’s from Hawaii he played one yr starting QB in Highschool, watched em, didn’t even get an offer from Univeristy of Hawaii.
He was a tall, lanky fast kid that could work in oregons “system” offense.
None of those “qb’s” work in the NFL..
you HAVE to be a passer first, pocket passer at that, make reads and progressions, NFL QB is all about beating the defense with the playbook, audibles and making the right throw …
it never works by running and rolling and using athleticism to beat teams, that works for short times till injuries and defensive schemes shut you up.
now extending plays is great … thats diff … thats what big ben does … thats ok, but thats only used when a play breaks down.
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He has an arm. I’ve seen it. And he does use his athleticism to evade pressure in order to throw. He’s definitely not a run first guy who occasionally throws. If you want to give an honest criticism say that the offense doesn’t go deep enough.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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i didn’t see reid, mingo, or mongomery at the heisman ceremony? u can argue that they were better because mathieu had to be accounted for. they all had worse years this year than last.
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Huh? I think Mingo, Minter, Reid and Montgomery are all slated to go lst or 2nd round. Mathieu is slated for the 4th.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
Mathiue held his own in the sec.. I have seen 220 pound backs coming up the middle and mathieu getting them to the ground but stripping him first.
Ive have seen Mathieu take out Cam Netwon on a scramble.. picked off Geno smith.. Caused a fumble on Ryan Tannehill who is like 6ft 4 on a blitz.
If Joselio Hansen can play in this league all these years so can matheiu.
Plus bucky brooks of nfl.com compares mathieu to Cortland finnegan. thats a good comparison. and as a PUNT RETURNER yes he can do that. How did 5ft 5 Trindan Holliday look for the broncos in the playoffs at 170 pounds? Mathieu might not be as fast but he is a shifty type runner.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
No mathieu is slated to go 3rd round by Mayock.. and he would have been a early 2nd if not for the trouble.
Deion says he still going 2nd
February 28th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
and system doesn’t have much to do with forced fumbles, return tds, etc. those are individual plays made by individual players. a lot of guys get put into position to do that stuff not many can actually make that play, none in the history of lsu did it better than him.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
I just think that if we are in the 2nd round and Tyrann Mathieu is there, I don’t think anybody weighs out better on a risk/reward scale. Special teams plus coverage.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Desean Jackson as well. I just know if I saw Mathieu out there trying to defend, I would put someone like DHB or Bowe out there and have him run right over him
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patrick chung has done well, i just don’t understand so much hype for a guy selected in the second at best
February 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Sucks Arron Murray isn’t coming out this year owell im sure next year we will have our choice of Clowney,Manziel,or Murray can’t really go wrong with either of those 3
February 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
1278.Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
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Maybe they were good BECAUSE Palmer was there. The proof is in the pudding. Johnson left and did nothing even with Brady as his Q. Terrell Owens had a thousand yard season and could not get a sniff the next year. And Housmandazeh did nothing without Palmer either. Maybe that tells you something.
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They were all passed their prime by the time they left. what has palmer done since leaving the bengals besides lose?
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
the hype is he is a playmaker. something the raiders havent had since C WOOD
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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I’m not gonna totally disagree…..But watching Tyrann rip footballs out of dudes hands time after time, I gotta think he’s just a natural HAWK. Regardless of who’s playing around him, in those 1 on 1 situations, he caused ALOT of turnovers. Getting picks, sacks, and QB pressures you can give credit to teammates around him…. But alot of his turnovers were on him personally. He’s also a natural with the ball in his hands on returns.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Take Damontre Moore at 3rd and call it a day
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Not sure he will last until the 3rd round but if he does you bet we will take him
February 28th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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i didn’t see reid, mingo, or mongomery at the heisman ceremony? u can argue that they were better because mathieu had to be accounted for. they all had worse years this year than last.
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Huh? I think Mingo, Minter, Reid and Montgomery are all slated to go lst or 2nd round. Mathieu is slated for the 4th
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measurables, and they didn’t miss a whole year, or have marijuana problems. with all that he might still go 2nd round. imagine if he was eligible to come out after his true sophomore season he would have went 1st round, early 2nd at the latest. on the field none of them were better than him. none of them ar ein the LSU record books. he is. and he only played 2 yrs. they all played at least 3
February 28th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
They were all passed their prime by the time they left. what has palmer done since leaving the bengals besides lose?
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I don’t know, a 4000 yard season maybe? With no one around him….
February 28th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
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hartline streater moore ford criner
Cp/pryor
Shaughnessey Bryant Houston Carter
Wheeler Burris Brandon Jenkins
Nnamdi Tracy Porter
Branch FS
February 28th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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I’m not gonna totally disagree…..But watching Tyrann rip footballs out of dudes hands time after time, I gotta think he’s just a natural HAWK. Regardless of who’s playing around him, in those 1 on 1 situations, he caused ALOT of turnovers. Getting picks, sacks, and QB pressures you can give credit to teammates around him…. But alot of his turnovers were on him personally. He’s also a natural with the ball in his hands on returns.
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If he was high during all those games w/ LSU I would prefer they allow him to keep smoking it if he comes on board with us.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
the hype is he is a playmaker. something the raiders havent had since C WOOD
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cwood can cover man to man, routt made picks too
February 28th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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I’m not gonna totally disagree…..But watching Tyrann rip footballs out of dudes hands time after time, I gotta think he’s just a natural HAWK. Regardless of who’s playing around him, in those 1 on 1 situations, he caused ALOT of turnovers. Getting picks, sacks, and QB pressures you can give credit to teammates around him…. But alot of his turnovers were on him personally. He’s also a natural with the ball in his hands on returns.
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Exactly. I like the player don’t get me wrong. Mathieu was a fun player to watch at LSU. But it is one thing to rip the ball out of the hands of some kid who is majoring in geology, and another to rip it out of the hands of Adrian Peterson or Julio Jones. That ain’t gonna happen at this level.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Sucks Arron Murray isn’t coming out this year owell im sure next year we will have our choice of Clowney,Manziel,or Murray can’t really go wrong with either of those 3
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“Down for the Clown”
“Lose like hell for Johnny Manziell”
“Tank and don’t worry…cuz we’re drafting Murray”
February 28th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
1296.Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
They were all passed their prime by the time they left. what has palmer done since leaving the bengals besides lose?
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I don’t know, a 4000 yard season maybe? With no one around him….
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37 total tds (passing and rushing), 36 total TO’s (Ints and lost Fumbles).
6-18 record as a starter.
bottom 6 in the league in off. scoring, red zone eff. and 3rd down conversions.
but 4,000 yds trumps all of that.
February 28th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Anyone know if that dude arrested for the Vegas shootings is Brian the Genital?
The guy is a “self described pimp”
But the article in Yahoo doesn’t mention anything about the pimp owning a dorm fridge or a copy of Forrest Gump on VHS
Need the PMPP to step it up here and do some riggity riggity research, holla
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
37 total tds (passing and rushing), 36 total TO’s (Ints and lost Fumbles).
6-18 record as a starter.
bottom 6 in the league in off. scoring, red zone eff. and 3rd down conversions.
but 4,000 yds trumps all of that.
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passer rating and qbr combine all of those, he’s middle of the pack, he’d be better with better receivers
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Ian85 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Sucks Arron Murray isn’t coming out this year owell im sure next year we will have our choice of Clowney,Manziel,or Murray can’t really go wrong with either of those 3
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“Down for the Clown”
“Lose like hell for Johnny Manziell”
“Tank and don’t worry…cuz we’re drafting Murray”
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Haha love it
February 28th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
1300.Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
Mathieu is a perfect example of a system fit. He is a very good college player but not a pro caliber player. When you have guys like Mingo, Sam Montgomery and Eric Reid, who absolutely have to be accounted for, it allows guys like Mathieu to make plays and shine. Is he a good player? Oh, absolutely. Is he a good pro prospect? Not really.
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I’m not gonna totally disagree…..But watching Tyrann rip footballs out of dudes hands time after time, I gotta think he’s just a natural HAWK. Regardless of who’s playing around him, in those 1 on 1 situations, he caused ALOT of turnovers. Getting picks, sacks, and QB pressures you can give credit to teammates around him…. But alot of his turnovers were on him personally. He’s also a natural with the ball in his hands on returns.
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Exactly. I like the player don’t get me wrong. Mathieu was a fun player to watch at LSU. But it is one thing to rip the ball out of the hands of some kid who is majoring in geology, and another to rip it out of the hands of Adrian Peterson or Julio Jones. That ain’t gonna happen at this level.
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u act like adrian peterson doesn’t fumble or julio jones doesn’t either. AP has a fumbling problem for most of his career, ball security is one of his very few weaknesses. if ur gonna try and take away a guy comin out of college’s forced turnovers because he wasn’t playing against nfl talent, than u can say that about absolutely everyone. Well
“Dion jordan had a lot of sacks but he wont be doin that against guys like joe staley or bryant mckinnie”
“Geno smith thew a lot of TDs but he wont be able to throw like that against nfl defenses, the dbs he was throwing against majored in philosophy, big difference.”
that logic is dumb.
SEC has more nfl type players than any other conference and he was killin it. a lot of his TO came against guys either in the nfl or going to be drafted
(geno smith 2x, tannehil, kenjon barner, knile davis, there are probably more but i’m not gonna go through his whole highlight tape right now and look for players, those stick out immediately tho.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
1304.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
37 total tds (passing and rushing), 36 total TO’s (Ints and lost Fumbles).
6-18 record as a starter.
bottom 6 in the league in off. scoring, red zone eff. and 3rd down conversions.
but 4,000 yds trumps all of that.
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passer rating and qbr combine all of those, he’s middle of the pack, he’d be better with better receivers
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the receivers would be better with a better qb. they actually were better with campbell.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
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Maybe they were good BECAUSE Palmer was there. The proof is in the pudding. Johnson left and did nothing even with Brady as his Q. Terrell Owens had a thousand yard season and could not get a sniff the next year. And Housmandazeh did nothing without Palmer either. Maybe that tells you something.
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There’s just something about Palmer that some people just don’t like and nothing will convince them otherwise. No matter what you say…what stats you pull up, or cite the sub par talent around him they will never change their minds and will always look for something to discredit him on.
Baltimore game? Palmer’s fault. He didn’t “inspire” the defense enough with sideline exhortations or whatever like true “elite” qb’s do.
At Denver? Sure the defense couldn’t make a stop if their lives depended on it, but it was Palmer….yes Palmer who failed the team.
Tampa? Despite his 4 td’s he allowed the defense to give up 255 yd’s rushing to Doug Martin. Palmer should have stopped him himself cuz that’s what a REAL qb would have done.
Don’t you get it?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
SEC has more nfl type players than any other conference and he was killin it. a lot of his TO came against guys either in the nfl or going to be drafted
(geno smith 2x, tannehil, kenjon barner, knile davis, there are probably more but i’m not gonna go through his whole highlight tape right now and look for players, those stick out immediately tho.
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UUhhhggg……That Barner fumble haunts me still. Oregon was IN that game until that point. Huge momentum shift. Talk about impact plays….Strip / scoop / Score….
Barner only coughed up like 3 fumbles in his career. 1 of them to the Badger, on a National Stage….
Mathieu was made for “Prime Time”
February 28th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Just wondering for people that arent okay with Palmer for one more year, was Knapp to blame for the entire offense except Carson?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Guys like Mathieu and Vontaze have things us cant teach
Instincts and Pure football players.
Thats what allowed Mathieu to walk on to LSU play at a high leve in SEC ..and make it as a heisman finalist. PERIOD.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
what was that qb we got from the saints named? I remember he passed for 4k..
February 28th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
Palmer is a darn good QB and i really hope he restructures i want him to start in 2013
February 28th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
San Diego
Baruch Kreiman From Los Angeles: What do you think of a SD-OAK trade in which SD gives its 1&2 for raiders 1, SD gets [Luke] Joeckel or [Eric] Fisher, and the Raiders get a second round pick?
BW: They might have to add to that a bit. I don’t think the Chargers want to give a bunch of picks for Fisher where [Lane] Johnson may end up being just as good. Also, they wouldn’t want to help the Raiders improve.
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interesting idea from a sd fan
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Guys like Mathieu and Vontaze have things us cant teach
Instincts and Pure football players.
Thats what allowed Mathieu to walk on to LSU play at a high leve in SEC ..and make it as a heisman finalist. PERIOD.
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if he’s that good why not get him at #3 or trade down and get him late in the 1st? if he’s gonna make that much of an impact and gm’s know it they should draft him accordingly…
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
On another note, go lakers! This time the season really starts now! again…
February 28th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
the receivers would be better with a better qb. they actually were better with campbell.
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palmer has a better qb rating and qbr rating than campbell had with the raiders, dhb caught for way less yards moore regressed ford was injured, no denying those
February 28th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
1308.DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
If Palmer could throw for 4K yards with crappy WR’s, think of what he could do with avg WR’s or dare-I-dream…elite WR’s?
All of this puts into context just how valuable Carson really is!
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he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
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Maybe they were good BECAUSE Palmer was there. The proof is in the pudding. Johnson left and did nothing even with Brady as his Q. Terrell Owens had a thousand yard season and could not get a sniff the next year. And Housmandazeh did nothing without Palmer either. Maybe that tells you something.
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There’s just something about Palmer that some people just don’t like and nothing will convince them otherwise. No matter what you say…what stats you pull up, or cite the sub par talent around him they will never change their minds and will always look for something to discredit him on.
Baltimore game? Palmer’s fault. He didn’t “inspire” the defense enough with sideline exhortations or whatever like true “elite” qb’s do.
At Denver? Sure the defense couldn’t make a stop if their lives depended on it, but it was Palmer….yes Palmer who failed the team.
Tampa? Despite his 4 td’s he allowed the defense to give up 255 yd’s rushing to Doug Martin. Palmer should have stopped him himself cuz that’s what a REAL qb would have done.
Don’t you get it?
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u could make a case for the defense being bad, because it was. but our offense wasn’t much better. Our defense ranked 28th in scoring defense (points allowed). our offense ranked 26th in points scored. not a big difference. u can put it ion the D to a point but when your offense only scores 20+ points 5 times all season u aren’t going to win many games. period. Palmer lovers will give him any excuse. i dont even hate palmer, but saying palmer never had good receivers is just dumb. chad johnson was one of the best wr in the league when he was in his prime, TO iswas a borderline HOF before he went to the bengals. these raiders receivers were producing just fine with jason campbell. 4000 yds means nothing when u only have 18 ppg to show for it. but its everyone elses fault except palmers, right i get it no problem.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
On another note, go lakers! This time the season really starts now! again
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mentioned earlier, only 5 games back in the L column of GS, 3 back of Utah, and 2 back of Houston. Good teams have two or three stars, if dwight get’s back to playing like a star and a healthy gasol leads our bench, watch out
February 28th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
1317.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
the receivers would be better with a better qb. they actually were better with campbell.
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palmer has a better qb rating and qbr rating than campbell had with the raiders, dhb caught for way less yards moore regressed ford was injured, no denying those
=========i was responding to someone saying palmer would be better with better receivers…
yea palmer would be better probably if he had the packers wr, but our receivers would be better too if we had rodgers throwing to them. so it goes both ways, that was my point.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:18 pm
I don’t mind keeping Palmer as long as its for less than half of what is making now.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
1310.SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Just wondering for people that arent okay with Palmer for one more year, was Knapp to blame for the entire offense except Carson?
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i have no problem with carson for 1-2 even 3 years if he stays solid, but not at 15 mil a yr, u crazy?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
I see the haters have picked up on the national media hype about this years qb class.
They parrot over and over again “ther is no luck or griffin in this class” so pass on qb.
This assumption is only have true.
THERE IS NO ROBERT GRIFFIN IN THIS YEARS CLASS.
reason being there are no qbs that play from the pocket as well as he does AND also possess his other wordly running ability. Both Ej and Geno can motor ,but they are not in RGIII’s class as runners. i would argue the geno has similar ability as a passer though, not quite as good going deep, as griffin.
That being said i believe both Geno and ej manual can easily be as good as luck. All 3 are athletic and can make every throw.
people should now begin to separate griffin from luck as griffin did during the season with his outstanding play.
there is no griffin in ths class, but you can definitely get a guy on lucks level
February 28th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
1315.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Guys like Mathieu and Vontaze have things us cant teach
Instincts and Pure football players.
Thats what allowed Mathieu to walk on to LSU play at a high leve in SEC ..and make it as a heisman finalist. PERIOD.
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if he’s that good why not get him at #3 or trade down and get him late in the 1st? if he’s gonna make that much of an impact and gm’s know it they should draft him accordingly…
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y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
February 28th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
I just don’t see Reggie trying to work a trade deal with Denver, KC, or San Diego. Much more likely to strike deals with ‘Zona, Detroit, the Rams, or Philly. If you give up the #3 overall pick, stay within the top 15.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
There is no RGIII in this draft. That’s okay – I’ll settle for another Tom Brady.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
u could make a case for the defense being bad, because it was. but our offense wasn’t much better. Our defense ranked 28th in scoring defense (points allowed). our offense ranked 26th in points scored. not a big difference. u can put it ion the D to a point but when your offense only scores 20+ points 5 times all season u aren’t going to win many games. period. Palmer lovers will give him any excuse. i dont even hate palmer, but saying palmer never had good receivers is just dumb. chad johnson was one of the best wr in the league when he was in his prime, TO iswas a borderline HOF before he went to the bengals. these raiders receivers were producing just fine with jason campbell. 4000 yds means nothing when u only have 18 ppg to show for it. but its everyone elses fault except palmers, right i get it no problem.
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The problem isn’t just Palmer though. And he was playing pretty well when he didn’t have an abject idiot as his OC. I just want to see him with a decent play-caller and hopefully HOPEFULLY an OC that lets him run the no-huddle like Peyton and Brady does… just to get the most out of his veteran presence (like vs Pitts).
Thats all I want to see before we give up on him. Even if its just 8 games… if he sucks we pass the baton to Pryor.
Whats wrong with that?
Thats not even including the bonus of a lineman like Joeckel or Warmack, and hopefully a true #1 WR!
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
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so then you should be happy if he was picked at #3 if he’s that good
February 28th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
1324.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:23 pm
1315.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Guys like Mathieu and Vontaze have things us cant teach
Instincts and Pure football players.
Thats what allowed Mathieu to walk on to LSU play at a high leve in SEC ..and make it as a heisman finalist. PERIOD.
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if he’s that good why not get him at #3 or trade down and get him late in the 1st? if he’s gonna make that much of an impact and gm’s know it they should draft him accordingly…
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y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
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jerry rice and randy moss also come to mind. if teams knew what kind of impact jerry rice would have he would have went #1, same with moss. Look at moss’s highlight tape from college, uguardable. off field issues and some questioning his lack of muscle coming out caused teams to pass on him.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
1328.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
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so then you should be happy if he was picked at #3 if he’s that good
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it would definitely be a surprise. it’s whatever though if he went #3 then the scouts obviouosly see something. we have had enough picks in the top 5 that didn’t do sh*t. couldn’t be worse.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
there is no griffin in ths class, but you can definitely get a guy on lucks level
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Com’on now….No QB was as highly touted or coveted entering the Draft since Elway…. I mean, he was pegged as the number 1 pick AFTER he declared He was staying for his senior season at Stanford….AND HE WAS.
I get what you’re saying about Griffin and I know how different his is from Andrew…..But come on….
There ain’t no damn “Andrew Luck’s” in this draft…. Pssshhhhhh
February 28th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
1330.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
1328.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
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so then you should be happy if he was picked at #3 if he’s that good
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it would definitely be a surprise. it’s whatever though if he went #3 then the scouts obviouosly see something. we have had enough picks in the top 5 that didn’t do sh*t. couldn’t be worse.
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he’d definitely have more impact than jamarcus, gallery, dhb, mcclain, and huff.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
1330.NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
1328.inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
y did ed reed go to the end of round 1 even without these problems, coming off a season where lead probably the best college football team ever?
y did brady slip to 6-7th round?
y did so many teams pass on rodgers, kaepernik, russell wilson?
nobody knows. Fact is plenty of impact players go overlooked for plenty of reasons. mathieu it probably has something to do with his measurables, more to do with sitting out a yr and having off field issues. just bc ur not slated to go high doesn’t mean u wont make an impact in the nfl
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so then you should be happy if he was picked at #3 if he’s that good
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it would definitely be a surprise. it’s whatever though if he went #3 then the scouts obviouosly see something. we have had enough picks in the top 5 that didn’t do sh*t. couldn’t be worse.
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I still think 3 is a reach, but i think 3 is a reach for and cornerback.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:30 pm
any*
February 28th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:19 pm
1310.SilverLining20 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
Just wondering for people that arent okay with Palmer for one more year, was Knapp to blame for the entire offense except Carson?
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i have no problem with carson for 1-2 even 3 years if he stays solid, but not at 15 mil a yr, u crazy?
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Lol. I think it goes without saying that if we keep him he has to restructure.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
1327.Gdog Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
u could make a case for the defense being bad, because it was. but our offense wasn’t much better. Our defense ranked 28th in scoring defense (points allowed). our offense ranked 26th in points scored. not a big difference. u can put it ion the D to a point but when your offense only scores 20+ points 5 times all season u aren’t going to win many games. period. Palmer lovers will give him any excuse. i dont even hate palmer, but saying palmer never had good receivers is just dumb. chad johnson was one of the best wr in the league when he was in his prime, TO iswas a borderline HOF before he went to the bengals. these raiders receivers were producing just fine with jason campbell. 4000 yds means nothing when u only have 18 ppg to show for it. but its everyone elses fault except palmers, right i get it no problem.
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The problem isn’t just Palmer though. And he was playing pretty well when he didn’t have an abject idiot as his OC. I just want to see him with a decent play-caller and hopefully HOPEFULLY an OC that lets him run the no-huddle like Peyton and Brady does… just to get the most out of his veteran presence (like vs Pitts).
Thats all I want to see before we give up on him. Even if its just 8 games… if he sucks we pass the baton to Pryor.
Whats wrong with that?
Thats not even including the bonus of a lineman like Joeckel or Warmack, and hopefully a true #1 WR!
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i never said, nor will i ever in the future claim that palmer is the only problem, or the most glaring, or even in the top 5 problems. His contract right now is a problem though. i just said a couple posts ago i have zero problem with palmer for the next 1-2 yrs as long as he doesn’t decline more. but not at 15 mil or anywhere near 15 mil.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
I see the haters have picked up on the national media hype about this years qb class.
They parrot over and over again “ther is no luck or griffin in this class” so pass on qb.
This assumption is only have true.
THERE IS NO ROBERT GRIFFIN IN THIS YEARS CLASS.
reason being there are no qbs that play from the pocket as well as he does AND also possess his other wordly running ability. Both Ej and Geno can motor ,but they are not in RGIII’s class as runners. i would argue the geno has similar ability as a passer though, not quite as good going deep, as griffin.
That being said i believe both Geno and ej manual can easily be as good as luck. All 3 are athletic and can make every throw.
people should now begin to separate griffin from luck as griffin did during the season with his outstanding play.
there is no griffin in ths class, but you can definitely get a guy on lucks level
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from 2011 to 2012 the redskins went from 5 and 11 to 10 and 6 and improvement of 5 games the biggest difference being RGIII. from 2011 to 2012 the colts went from 2 wins to 11 wins an improvement of 9 games the biggest difference being Andrew Luck. In a league where winning is the most important stat, the statements declared by you that Andrew Luck is nowhere nearly as good as RGIII is either idiotic, biased, or both
February 28th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
there is no griffin in ths class, but you can definitely get a guy on lucks level
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Com’on now….No QB was as highly touted or coveted entering the Draft since Elway…. I mean, he was pegged as the number 1 pick AFTER he declared He was staying for his senior season at Stanford….AND HE WAS.
I get what you’re saying about Griffin and I know how different his is from Andrew…..But come on….
There ain’t no damn “Andrew Luck’s” in this draft…. Pssshhhhhh
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LOl dont get emotional
I understand that luck was “highly touted” but the hype isnt what im basing my take on.
28 tds is very impressive for any qb, let alone a rookie, yet his 26 turn overs are glaring.
I absolutely think that geno can match the td total and cut the turn overs, and im sure ej can also do a better job protecting the ball.
In fact i would say ej and geno would be closer to russel wilson in terms of ability than luck.
regardless of the hype for either player in this conversation
February 28th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Andrew luck and RGIII are both ridiculously good. that is all i’m going to say about that. no one in this draft class is on that level. no qb in the past 5-6 draft classes are on that level i dont think. at least as far as impact as a rookie year impact.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
inone turd
wilson and griffin > than luck
ask the rookie of the year voters
February 28th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
1338.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
there is no griffin in ths class, but you can definitely get a guy on lucks level
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Com’on now….No QB was as highly touted or coveted entering the Draft since Elway…. I mean, he was pegged as the number 1 pick AFTER he declared He was staying for his senior season at Stanford….AND HE WAS.
I get what you’re saying about Griffin and I know how different his is from Andrew…..But come on….
There ain’t no damn “Andrew Luck’s” in this draft…. Pssshhhhhh
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LOl dont get emotional
I understand that luck was “highly touted” but the hype isnt what im basing my take on.
28 tds is very impressive for any qb, let alone a rookie, yet his 26 turn overs are glaring.
I absolutely think that geno can match the td total and cut the turn overs, and im sure ej can also do a better job protecting the ball.
In fact i would say ej and geno would be closer to russel wilson in terms of ability than luck.
regardless of the hype for either player in this conversation
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peyton manning had 26 td and 28 ints his rookie year. he turned out to be ok.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
inone turd
wilson and griffin > than luck
ask the rookie of the year voters
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not nearly as good is idiotic and biased. 9 games win improvement>5 game win improvment. Is your Afrikan math inaccurate?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
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LOl dont get emotional
I understand that luck was “highly touted” but the hype isnt what im basing my take on.
28 tds is very impressive for any qb, let alone a rookie, yet his 26 turn overs are glaring.
I absolutely think that geno can match the td total and cut the turn overs, and im sure ej can also do a better job protecting the ball.
In fact i would say ej and geno would be closer to russel wilson in terms of ability than luck.
regardless of the hype for either player in this conversation
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LOL, I’m not man….. I know Griffin is special. So’s Kap, Wilson, and “Hopefully” Pryor.
I’m just sayin the “Luck’s” of the world aren’t a dime a dozen, or easy to come by.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/2/28/4041462/what-to-make-of-oakland-raiders-reported-interest-in-geno-smith
Levi is even at a loss on this
in the end… it allllllll depends on what Carson does with the paycut issue. what will he accept? if he baulks at the idea of a HUGE paycut(something reggie will demand from him) … then we’ll be looking at QB at #3 … he takes the big paycut, then he’s our guys for at least until a first few games into the season.
we’ll know within the next couple of weeks. thank g0d because it can lay to rest this huge controversy on here.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
EJ Manual comments on the wave of the future, and hybrid offense. He also weighs in on the historical significance of the changing face of the nfl qb position.
This kid gets it
“I don’t think I have to be Colin Kaepernick,” said Manuel, who ran a 4.65 40 on Sunday at the combine. “I don’t have to be Russell Wilson. I can be EJ Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys.
“When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the [preparation for the] draft. Knowing that that kind of quarterback, a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat, it’s more accepted now, as opposed to 5-10 years ago, it really wasn’t accepted.
“Back then, you didn’t want to act like you [wanted to] run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it’s more embraced as a quarterback.”
Smith, one of the draft’s top two rated quarterbacks, along with Matt Barkley, ran a 4.56 40, confirming that he definitely is fast enough to run the read option.
“I played in three different systems in college, including the read option,” he said. “I think that’s something I’ve always been capable of. I have the skill set that fits any offense. I can play within the pocket, but I’m athletic enough to run that style of offense.”
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Good interviews.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I like EJ Manuel in Round 3 for Raiders….potentially…
February 28th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
1345.DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
EJ Manual comments on the wave of the future, and hybrid offense. He also weighs in on the historical significance of the changing face of the nfl qb position.
This kid gets it
“I don’t think I have to be Colin Kaepernick,” said Manuel, who ran a 4.65 40 on Sunday at the combine. “I don’t have to be Russell Wilson. I can be EJ Manuel. But I do see a lot of my abilities in those guys.
“When I saw those guys having success this year, it gave me a lot more confidence going into the [preparation for the] draft. Knowing that that kind of quarterback, a guy who can run and throw, not necessarily run first, but who can throw the ball and also have that run threat, it’s more accepted now, as opposed to 5-10 years ago, it really wasn’t accepted.
“Back then, you didn’t want to act like you [wanted to] run. You just wanted to sit in the pocket the whole time. Now, it’s more embraced as a quarterback.”
Smith, one of the draft’s top two rated quarterbacks, along with Matt Barkley, ran a 4.56 40, confirming that he definitely is fast enough to run the read option.
“I played in three different systems in college, including the read option,” he said. “I think that’s something I’ve always been capable of. I have the skill set that fits any offense. I can play within the pocket, but I’m athletic enough to run that style of offense.”
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Good interviews.
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u can be fast enough, but are you man enough to pull it and run knowing you are gonna get smacked every once in a while by a safety, LB, or DE? that is the question. every qb thinks its cool to run til the get blasted by a MLB.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Mel Kuiper is dbag. An absolutely useless tool of a windbag whose sole purpose on earth is to fill bags with air by talking methane out his mouth on TV….
February 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
I see the Raiders are posturing saying they are interested in Geno, but we all know teams dont tip their hand about who they really like in Feb so its looks to me like Reggie is trying to get ARI or another team to trade up to draft Geno. WARMACK!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
the Cam’s, RGIIIs, Kaps, Wilson’s will keep running after getting smacked. we’ll see. it’s different when u scramble and the defense is in pass mode and u can get yds and then slide down before getting hit. when u run the read option u get hit often. Kap was getting hit hard even when he was handing it off in the super bowl. He was super reluctant to pull it.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
eastO,
think about it though.
our hand will be tipped either way once Carson decides what he’s going to do. if he’s restructured, there goes our trading partner… if he’s let go or traded, everyone knows we’re goin Geno at #3 and the reports are solidified that we’re “in love” with him.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
if teams thought we wanted geno at #3, they wouldn’t be trading with us, they would be trading with jax to get ahead of us to get him.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
JLofty Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Mel Kuiper is dbag. An absolutely useless tool of a windbag whose sole purpose on earth is to fill bags with air by talking methane out his mouth on TV….
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didn’t see his mock draft.. who does he have us taking?
February 28th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
because gms know that if we really wanted him we wouldn’t be interested in a trade. we would just draft him
February 28th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
007, didnt I tell you Te’o’s stock would drop like a rock. Once thought of as a top 10 pick he may now fall out of the first round all together LOL!!! fcking bum.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
if teams thought we wanted geno at #3, they wouldn’t be trading with us, they would be trading with jax to get ahead of us to get him.
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not necessarily … they would have to give up less getting in our spot for him.
and maybe Jax doesn’t want to trade out of that spot?!
regardless, it comes down to what Carson wants to do
February 28th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I think Mel had us taking Star.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
nrg & throng
Im not knocking luck he is a great young qb and will own afc south.
I am not imlying that luck can be found in any draft either.
i am saying that this years crop features two qbs that may be able to approximate luck based on talent and skill.
all three mobile
all three nfl arms
all three smart
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Another look at NFL.com and white wide receivers
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 28, 2013, 6:28 PM EST
NFL.com has published detailed profiles of almost all of the players who attended this year’s Scouting Combine, and all of those profiles include a section titled “NFL comparison,” which names the current NFL player who is the most similar to that particular draft prospect. There’s nothing unusual about that.
But here’s what is a little odd: For all four of the white wide receivers that NFL.com profiled, the “NFL comparison” is another white wide receiver.
I noticed that after I wrote about Texas A&M wide receiver Ryan Swope saying that people are surprised that he’s a white guy who can run a 4.3-second 40-yard dash. When I wrote that, I mentioned that NFL.com seemed to be falling into the usual stereotypes about white receivers, describing Swope as a hard worker with good hands who lacks straight-line speed, while saying the NFL player most similar to Swope is another white guy, Jordan Shipley.
After I wrote about Swope, I got a call from NFL.com Senior Editor Andy Fenelon. He was not happy. Fenelon lectured me about how unfair I was, demanded that I explain myself to him, and informed me that he stands by what NFL.com published.
I didn’t much care for Fenelon’s approach (he apparently never heard the old saw about attracting more flies with honey than vinegar), but I decided to take a closer look at the wide receiver evaluations at NFL.com and see whether I had unfairly represented the way the league’s official site evaluates white wide receivers.
And after taking that closer look, I don’t think I was unfair at all. White receivers are, in fact, exclusively compared to other white receivers. (Read the profiles of Swope and the other white wide receivers, Brandon Kaufman, T.J. Moe and Conner Vernon and see for yourself.) White receivers are praised by NFL.com for their good hands and their toughness, but downgraded for their speed. All four profiles demonstrate the stereotypes we’ve all heard about white receivers a million times.
I mention this not because I think anyone involved in compiling the NFL.com profiles is racist (I don’t) but because I think it’s important for all of us to challenge the stereotypes that we all encounter every day. At NFL.com, the stereotypes about white wide receivers are prevalent. Whether NFL.com wants to admit that or not.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
if you look on taiwan jones instagram he got a pic with the caption “getting that work in this morning”
has himself, pryor, d moore, dhb, sterling moore, jacoby, chekwa, and a few others. no palmer. could be he is still recovering from injury though. good to see one of our qbs getting in work with our wrs though.
@taiwanjonesnfl if anyone wants to check it out. all wearing silver and black too..nice
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
but those teams may want to try to convince us otherwise. it will come down to what Jax would be willing to take versus what Reggie will take one pick later…
point is, if Carson is released or traded, teams know we’ll probably be goin with Geno for the pick.
you’re right though, it makes Jax the trade partner for the teams wanting Geno. they just may not be willing to trade out. time will tell
February 28th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
thing is X we may hold off on our plans with Carson til after the draft.
February 28th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I think Mel had us taking Star.
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if his heart clears the physical, i think he’s the best player in the draft
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
the Cam’s, RGIIIs, Kaps, Wilson’s will keep running after getting smacked. we’ll see. it’s different when u scramble and the defense is in pass mode and u can get yds and then slide down before getting hit. when u run the read option u get hit often. Kap was getting hit hard even when he was handing it off in the super bowl. He was super reluctant to pull it.
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im griifin and cam and kappys case they have been running that offense since high school
the survived all that time, im sure they will be fine
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
“could be he is still recovering from injury though”
that or he doesn’t want to risk injury if he has to tryout for other teams…
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
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i never said, nor will i ever in the future claim that palmer is the only problem, or the most glaring, or even in the top 5 problems. His contract right now is a problem though. i just said a couple posts ago i have zero problem with palmer for the next 1-2 yrs as long as he doesn’t decline more. but not at 15 mil or anywhere near 15 mil.
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Oh, ok. I think he will restructure down… not because he doesn’t think he could get that kind of money as a free agent (he could in a HEART BEAT if he was willing to play anywhere (Ariz, NYJ, Minn) but because he wants to see a better team around him here. I think he wants to prove the trade was worth it.
I’d be flabbergasted if he doesn’t meet Oak at their terms.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
If teams feel that Jax is not interested in Geno and the 3rd pick comes up guess who teams will have to trade with?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Another look at NFL.com and white wide receivers
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 28, 2013, 6:28 PM EST
NFL.com has published detailed profiles of almost all of the players who attended this year’s Scouting Combine, and all of those profiles include a section titled “NFL comparison,” which names the current NFL player who is the most similar to that particular draft prospect. There’s nothing unusual about that.
But here’s what is a little odd: For all four of the white wide receivers that NFL.com profiled, the “NFL comparison” is another white wide receiver.
I noticed that after I wrote about Texas A&M wide receiver Ryan Swope saying that people are surprised that he’s a white guy who can run a 4.3-second 40-yard dash. When I wrote that, I mentioned that NFL.com seemed to be falling into the usual stereotypes about white receivers, describing Swope as a hard worker with good hands who lacks straight-line speed, while saying the NFL player most similar to Swope is another white guy, Jordan Shipley.
After I wrote about Swope, I got a call from NFL.com Senior Editor Andy Fenelon. He was not happy. Fenelon lectured me about how unfair I was, demanded that I explain myself to him, and informed me that he stands by what NFL.com published.
I didn’t much care for Fenelon’s approach (he apparently never heard the old saw about attracting more flies with honey than vinegar), but I decided to take a closer look at the wide receiver evaluations at NFL.com and see whether I had unfairly represented the way the league’s official site evaluates white wide receivers.
And after taking that closer look, I don’t think I was unfair at all. White receivers are, in fact, exclusively compared to other white receivers. (Read the profiles of Swope and the other white wide receivers, Brandon Kaufman, T.J. Moe and Conner Vernon and see for yourself.) White receivers are praised by NFL.com for their good hands and their toughness, but downgraded for their speed. All four profiles demonstrate the stereotypes we’ve all heard about white receivers a million times.
I mention this not because I think anyone involved in compiling the NFL.com profiles is racist (I don’t) but because I think it’s important for all of us to challenge the stereotypes that we all encounter every day. At NFL.com, the stereotypes about white wide receivers are prevalent. Whether NFL.com wants to admit that or not.
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thats funny
lol the shoe is on the other foot
February 28th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
be easy
im out
February 28th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
Stop worrying so much. Dion Jordan is a STUD!
McK and Raiders should pick him at #3 and let the kid shine….just as long as he is not a head case and low life.
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He’s neither man……Trust me, I live in Eugene and seen every snap he played in. I’ve even met the guy / seen all his interviews / I’m “In the Know” with all things Oregon Football. Jordan is legit in all categories.
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Sounds good. Those of you afraid of Ansah should not be afraid of D Jordan.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
1358.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
nrg & throng
Im not knocking luck he is a great young qb and will own afc south.
I am not imlying that luck can be found in any draft either.
i am saying that this years crop features two qbs that may be able to approximate luck based on talent and skill.
all three mobile
all three nfl arms
all three smart
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that’s understandable. your opinion is your opinion man i respect that.
the thing that they “said” set luck apart was his awareness and smarts. which he definitely has. However as shown in the nfl this season russell wilson and rgIII both exhibited the same amount, if not more at times, qb intelligence
Russell Wilson probably has the highest IQ at the qb position (not real world IQ,, football IQ) as evidenced by his glowing reviews in the interview room by most gms. andrew luck got a lot of comparisons to manning, when you’re getting compared to manning out of college, you’re gonna be praised. RGIII got a lot of comparisons to vick and cam, but he is much more like a aaron rodgers to me when it comes to pocket presence and getting the ball out quick to the right guy. but he is obviusly used more in the read option.
Russell wilson is a more athletic drew brees type coming out of college. both short, but extremely accurate and extremely intelligent. time obviously will tell if they get to the levels of those three players. but it is looking pretty good now.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
if Carson is still on the roster, they KNOW we aren’t going with Geno… and they KNOW the eagirls aren’t taking him at #4 … it will be a trade with DET because the Browns have shown interest as well.
it will shake out a lot better after the dust in FA settles down.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
1366.Gdog Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
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i never said, nor will i ever in the future claim that palmer is the only problem, or the most glaring, or even in the top 5 problems. His contract right now is a problem though. i just said a couple posts ago i have zero problem with palmer for the next 1-2 yrs as long as he doesn’t decline more. but not at 15 mil or anywhere near 15 mil.
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Oh, ok. I think he will restructure down… not because he doesn’t think he could get that kind of money as a free agent (he could in a HEART BEAT if he was willing to play anywhere (Ariz, NYJ, Minn) but because he wants to see a better team around him here. I think he wants to prove the trade was worth it.
I’d be flabbergasted if he doesn’t meet Oak at their terms.
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if he does than let’s get this offense rollin again.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
^^ restructure that is
February 28th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
Looks like the cap will be 123.9 mil
February 28th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
1372.xraided Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
if Carson is still on the roster, they KNOW we aren’t going with Geno… and they KNOW the eagirls aren’t taking him at #4 … it will be a trade with DET because the Browns have shown interest as well.
it will shake out a lot better after the dust in FA settles down.
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i still think if the jets trade revis for picks (9ers) they will be a very good option as a trade partner. they will defiinitely be looking qb, have the number 9 pick and 2 other picks either in the late 1st, early 2nd round. I would hate that the niners got revis, but he is coming off an injury and doesn’t have great work ethic in the offseason from what i’ve seen the past two years coming off of hooldouts out of shape. and more imortantly, if it helps us stockpile quality picks i’m all for it.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
1367.eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:01 pm
If teams feel that Jax is not interested in Geno and the 3rd pick comes up guess who teams will have to trade with?
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i think we should hope that both KC and JAx finds a player that they both fall in love with that they don’t believe will be there once they trade down so they just pick, then we will be the highest anyone can move up. someone will want to move up. some team might even want jordan at #3 and think the eagles, chip kelly being their coach, will undoubtedly draft him so they might trade with us to hop over philly. anything is possible.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
Just WIN BABY
February 28th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
i wouldn’t mind that scenario NGRaider … at #9 we could grab Warmack still most likely.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
GO TO WAR WITH WARMACK!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
JLofty Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Mel Kuiper is dbag. An absolutely useless tool of a windbag whose sole purpose on earth is to fill bags with air by talking methane out his mouth on TV….
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JLofty
Why don’t you quit bvllshvting and tell us how you really feel about the guy?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
1379.xraided Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
i wouldn’t mind that scenario NGRaider … at #9 we could grab Warmack still most likely.
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and hopefully get at least one 2nd round pick to draft another possible impact player. i like okafor in the second if he is still there.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
936.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
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People can’t makeup their minds which is more important…..character, game film, senior bowl practices or performance or Combine #’s. LOL
February 28th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
Warmack holds the most value for us. PBS is Warmacks game all day baby put him next to Veldeer and it wont matter who the RB is.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:25 pm
xraided Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
i wouldn’t mind that scenario NGRaider … at #9 we could grab Warmack still most likely.
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I wouldn’t count on that.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Xraided Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
i wouldn’t mind that scenario NGRaider … at #9 we could grab Warmack still most likely.
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I doubt Warmack lasts till #9.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
oh im not counting on anything. just wouldn’t mind the scenario.
Warmack may last till the teens.. free agency will clear things up. guard needy teams in the top 10 may fill that need before the draft.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
936.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
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People can’t makeup their minds which is more important…..character, game film, senior bowl practices or performance or Combine #’s. LOL
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Fck all that schit, there is a game called the National Championship, have you heard of it? Yeah I’m still not sure if Te’o even played in that game can anybody help me out with that, a highlight clip anything?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
1388.eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
936.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:59 am
Funny people mocking Te’O’s combine, when Burfict’s numbers across the board were massively worse, and he seemed fine last season.
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People can’t makeup their minds which is more important…..character, game film, senior bowl practices or performance or Combine #’s. LOL
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Fck all that schit, there is a game called the National Championship, have you heard of it? Yeah I’m still not sure if Te’o even played in that game can anybody help me out with that, a highlight clip anything?
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he played…horribly.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
How we doing today fellas? I am really hoping for pick filled draft. Hope RM can trade out of 3, although its going to be difficult because of the lack of star power at the top of the draft. Still we have plenty of needs, mostly of meat and potatoes positions (linemen).
February 28th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
If we could some how pull of a trade, draft warmack, and then draft Barret Jones with the 2nd round pick and put him at RT our oline needs would be pretty much solved, although the jury is still out on Brisel.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
1390.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
How we doing today fellas? I am really hoping for pick filled draft. Hope RM can trade out of 3, although its going to be difficult because of the lack of star power at the top of the draft. Still we have plenty of needs, mostly of meat and potatoes positions (linemen).
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ur right on lack of star power…best case scenario is geno falling to #3. teams are always more willng to gamble on a potential franchise qb.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
goin good Macho
this is true. I seem to think Geno is the real deal. there’s too many variables at this point before march 12th … and yes our trenches are the biggest need at this point.
what’s the deal with Jarvis Jones? is he more of a 3-4 guy?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
The good thing about having such a thin roster is that it lacks talent everywhere, we can just pick the best available player at 3 and he will start next season.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
yea we just wish there was a sure fire pick that you can’t miss on. from the 1st pick to the 20th pick, the talent level doesn’t change much.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Dont know if Jarvis is a 3-4 guy, but if we draft him he will start next season. If we draft Geno, I will bet the car he will start sometime next season. We are going to have a very very young roster and starting lineup in 2013.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
If we could some how pull of a trade, draft warmack, and then draft Barret Jones with the 2nd round pick and put him at RT our oline needs would be pretty much solved, although the jury is still out on Brisel
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The only problem with that, is that it leaves the D barren. Not that I would totally mind sacrificing another year of bad D for an O-Line that could be the best in the league within a year and for a long time.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
rediaR Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
If we could some how pull of a trade, draft warmack, and then draft Barret Jones with the 2nd round pick and put him at RT our oline needs would be pretty much solved, although the jury is still out on Brisel
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or could u put b. jones at center, wiz and warmack the guards. find a right tackle or try out bergstrom.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
I honestly don’t see much of a way for us to trade out of the #3 spot because of Geno. It’s likely either the Jags so teams can get ahead of us, or a team after us because the Eagles aren’t going for Geno. A team falling in love with Jordan might be our best bet, if Kelly really does want his old WR turned TE turned defender.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:39 pm
Dont know if Jarvis is a 3-4 guy, but if we draft him he will start next season. If we draft Geno, I will bet the car he will start sometime next season. We are going to have a very very young roster and starting lineup in 2013.
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yea Jarvis is explosive and can stop the run. seems to fit 2 needs… it just depends on who’s in front of him to take the pressure off.
as for Geno, if he’s the one getting drafted, that means Palmer is done as a Raider.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
grr which means geno is starting QB week 1
February 28th, 2013 at 4:49 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
rediaR Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
If we could some how pull of a trade, draft warmack, and then draft Barret Jones with the 2nd round pick and put him at RT our oline needs would be pretty much solved, although the jury is still out on Brisel
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or could u put b. jones at center, wiz and warmack the guards. find a right tackle or try out bergstrom.
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Whatever seems to work best. There would be options.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
we’ll see RediaR
the Jags may have their heart set on a player and aren’t interested in trading out of the #2 spot. plus it depends on where that team is sitting at that wants to trade up. Reggie may take less than what the Jags will be asking for it…
it’s hard to think about at this juncture… smoke screen season … we’ll find out our answer soon enough.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
If we draft Geno I dont think he will start week 1. We do not have enough talent or experience on the roster or the sideline to send in a rookie QB on week 1. Maybe they send some vet QB into the wolves and ease Geno into playing time.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
palmer/pryor
dmc
reece
veldheer, wiz, FA/ Warmack, Berg
moore, streater, dhd, ford, criner
Okafor, bryant, Glenn Dorsey, Houston
burris, gaither/FA(grant, beason if cut)/Draft, wheeler.
adams, branch, FA/Draft, Huff
Mathieu wildcard DB/nickel
Andre carter situational pass rusher.
I’ve heard glenn dorsey was kind of a bust in KC but he was a good run defender andhe was played out of his position. I’ve heard multiple sources say he would be a great fit as a 4-3 tackle like he played in college and dominated. he would come crazy cheap too. could also draft a guy like geathers from georgia if u want in the mid rounds. prolly look to upgrade the dbs of course.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
if you’re drafting a QB in the top 5 and paying him the big money, you bet yo azz he’s starting week 1! he’s NFL ready already IMO. can avoid pressure and keep his eyes down field and deliver the ball quickly and accurately. not too many red flags on this kid… just needs some work on mechanics and his deep ball.
February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Skill positions are worth the gamble to trade up. th 9ers have enough picks to move up to draft Milliner at #3. Is Milliner the next Champ Baily?
February 28th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
Dorsey isn’t a bad idea! anything is better than what we’ll be left with once Rich TK and possibly Bryant leave
February 28th, 2013 at 4:56 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
he had elite receivers with the bengals. Chad Johnson when he was chad johnson and a young housmanzadeh. they had one of the best wr duos in the nfl when he was there.
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What’s your point? Here’s every stat, rating and weighted rating.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PalmCa00.htm
February 28th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
who the hell thought it was a good idea for dorsey to play de? dorsey has a chance to be good still
February 28th, 2013 at 5:02 pm
my draft board:
1. Star
2. Warmack
February 28th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RediaR Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
If we could some how pull of a trade, draft warmack, and then draft Barret Jones with the 2nd round pick and put him at RT our oline needs would be pretty much solved, although the jury is still out on Brisel
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The only problem with that, is that it leaves the D barren. Not that I would totally mind sacrificing another year of bad D for an O-Line that could be the best in the league within a year and for a long time.
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Thats where Tits and Tarver earn their money. Hue took a pretty bad offense and made it pretty good I would expect nothing less from a so called defensive guru.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
veldheer warmack wiz with dmac running behind them is an exciting prospect
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
if teams thought we wanted geno at #3, they wouldn’t be trading with us, they would be trading with jax to get ahead of us to get him.
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Exactly, not sure why people don’t understand this
February 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Or the Chiefs, who have also said they could be willing to trade out of #1
February 28th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
veldheer warmack wiz with dmac running behind them is an exciting prospect
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And it takes pressure off of Palmer and the passing game, and keeps the D off the field and fresh. You talk about value Warmack is the way to go, I just hope Reggie is smart enough to realize this and make it happen.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Realtruraider Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Or the Chiefs, who have also said they could be willing to trade out of #1
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Chiefs are drafting Joeckell, its a done deal.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
xraided Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
if you’re drafting a QB in the top 5 and paying him the big money, you bet yo azz he’s starting week 1! he’s NFL ready already IMO. can avoid pressure and keep his eyes down field and deliver the ball quickly and accurately. not too many red flags on this kid… just needs some work on mechanics and his deep ball.
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Top 10 unproven picks aren’t being paid crazy azz money anymore now that they have the rookie salary cap basically in place.
Remember?
February 28th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Can you guys name the Raiders in todays Pryor pic????
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
Great work today http://lockerz.com/s/285566570
February 28th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
On the left is sterling moore .. who is not a raider tho
February 28th, 2013 at 5:19 pm
In a trade down I like Okafor as well.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
A more clear photo
Taiwan Jones@TaiwanJonesNFL
Getting that work in this morning @terrellepryor @Moore_ThanEnuff @DFlash85 jacobyford12 @sterlingmoore… http://instagr.am/p/WSvj-1LI_P
February 28th, 2013 at 5:22 pm
Check that….people can’t make up their minds which is more important…regular season game film and total stats, character, Senior Bowl, East West Shrine game practices and game performances, Combine #’s, Pro Days, or College Bowl Game performance.
LOL!
February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Pick OLB/DE Dion Jordan, DT/NT Star, OLB/DE Ansah or G Warmack at #3 and be happy b**ches!
February 28th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
CB Xavier Rhodes does look legit though!
February 28th, 2013 at 5:27 pm
Whos the 2 on the bottom left? Looks like the one on the end could be Fords brother or something lol, other than those 2, I know who the rest are
February 28th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
This draft is pulling at my heart strings.
Best Player in the draft is a Guard (Chance Warmack)
See Joeckel as a ZBS only type guy and Fisher as more well rounded
I have an undying Bromance for Geno Smith
Dion Jordan is cementing himself in the Top 5 and I wouldnt mind us building our squad around him.
Long shot and an AL Davis move would be Drafting Milliner. I see Milliner as more Asomugha than I see him as Woodson.
1 of my favorite Corners in this draft is Desmond Trufant.
Perfect 3rd Round Pick up would be J.Poyer
February 28th, 2013 at 5:37 pm
Mistic
Don’t take his wrong but could you give me a little insight as to why there aren’t any white guys working out with Pryor and them other cats?
Our team is racist isn’t it?
Like we didn’t already have enough problems. SHVT!!
February 28th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
I said it would be nice if the RAiders snagged 1 of these 4 Corners.
Rhodes, Trufant, Poyer, Mathieu Just get at least one of these guys.
Reggie will probaly get some kid out of Penn State who ran a 4.65
February 28th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Pick OLB/DE Dion Jordan, DT/NT Star, OLB/DE Ansah or G Warmack at #3 and be happy b**ches!
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I don’t think I could make a list much better than that.
February 28th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
Nice to see the guys working.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Skill positions are worth the gamble to trade up. th 9ers have enough picks to move up to draft Milliner at #3. Is Milliner the next Champ Baily?
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It’s obvious the 49rs are in need a few good DB’s, rumors are they are very interested in pursuing the services Darrelle Revis. Now with soon to be newly acquired 2nd round pick from the Chiefs, the San Francisco 49rs will have a total of 12-15 Draft picks in this years draft.
I haven’t heard anything about them having interest in D. Milliner but it just makes too much sense with all their draft picks they have.
Currently they hold the
31st pick in the 1st round
34th pick in the 2nd round
61st pick in the 2nd round
74th pick in the 3rd round
93rd pick in the 3rd round
125th pick in the 4th round
Just to name a few…
Maybe their 31st, 34th and their 74th for the 3rd overall?
February 28th, 2013 at 6:01 pm
I love that Pryor and the guys are putting in work.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Pryor and the Wideout Crew along with Taiwan Jones have been meeting up at Laney College in Oakland at least 3 times a week.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:08 pm
I would like f.a cook cb miami, also liked underwood, is he coming back
February 28th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
1368.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Another look at NFL.com and white wide receivers
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 28, 2013, 6:28 PM EST
NFL.com has published detailed profiles of almost all of the players who attended this year’s Scouting Combine, and all of those profiles include a section titled “NFL comparison,” which names the current NFL player who is the most similar to that particular draft prospect. There’s nothing unusual about that.
But here’s what is a little odd: For all four of the white wide receivers that NFL.com profiled, the “NFL comparison” is another white wide receiver.
I noticed that after I wrote about Texas A&M wide receiver Ryan Swope saying that people are surprised that he’s a white guy who can run a 4.3-second 40-yard dash. When I wrote that, I mentioned that NFL.com seemed to be falling into the usual stereotypes about white receivers, describing Swope as a hard worker with good hands who lacks straight-line speed, while saying the NFL player most similar to Swope is another white guy, Jordan Shipley.
After I wrote about Swope, I got a call from NFL.com Senior Editor Andy Fenelon. He was not happy. Fenelon lectured me about how unfair I was, demanded that I explain myself to him, and informed me that he stands by what NFL.com published.
I didn’t much care for Fenelon’s approach (he apparently never heard the old saw about attracting more flies with honey than vinegar), but I decided to take a closer look at the wide receiver evaluations at NFL.com and see whether I had unfairly represented the way the league’s official site evaluates white wide receivers.
And after taking that closer look, I don’t think I was unfair at all. White receivers are, in fact, exclusively compared to other white receivers. (Read the profiles of Swope and the other white wide receivers, Brandon Kaufman, T.J. Moe and Conner Vernon and see for yourself.) White receivers are praised by NFL.com for their good hands and their toughness, but downgraded for their speed. All four profiles demonstrate the stereotypes we’ve all heard about white receivers a million times.
I mention this not because I think anyone involved in compiling the NFL.com profiles is racist (I don’t) but because I think it’s important for all of us to challenge the stereotypes that we all encounter every day. At NFL.com, the stereotypes about white wide receivers are prevalent. Whether NFL.com wants to admit that or not.
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thats funny
lol the shoe is on the other foot
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Pretty ridiculous, I agree. I compared Cam Newton’s field presence with Ben Roethlesberger’s a couple of years ago and people didn’t know what to think. Didn’t fit the “traditional way of looking at things”, lol.
February 28th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Looking for Mckenzie to pick up AJ Klein in the 5th
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
I’m hoping Reggie takes a look at LaVertrelle Fernblatt-Gomez out of Austin Peay as maybe a 6th rounder in 2015.
The kid shows great long snapping skills and might turn to be a quality 3rd stringer or practice squad guy.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
PurpleDrank81 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Looking for Mckenzie to pick up AJ Klein in the 5th
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I see he injured his knee during workouts but it’s no big deal? I’ve seen some comparisons to Teo with this guy. I see he ran a faster 40 at least.
I think he might go higher than 5th rd.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
I’m hoping Reggie takes a look at LaVertrelle Fernblatt-Gomez
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With a name like that you have to at least look!
February 28th, 2013 at 7:22 pm
Just say NO to white guys!
February 28th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
I’m hoping Reggie takes a look at LaVertrelle Fernblatt-Gomez
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With a name like that you have to at least look!
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I know right? Unfortunately he gets compared too often with his contemporary at Utah Southern: Francisco Laceturdious-Rosenberg.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Is it true the Raiders only scored 1 rushing TD all year? Game 16. Pryor. What the he11. No wonder Knapp got fired. Now he goes to a winning rival to show off his goods. Allen and McKenzie better get it together, or we are in a heap of doo. A dump truck load of doo.
BTW, how is the Jamarcuss comeback going? Be interesting to see him make a splash. I didn’t even know the Raiders cut him till last week.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:51 pm
Interesting stuff on how every white receiver gets compared to other white receivers in the NFL.
Even at other positions. How often do we joke about Giordano being the next Stuart Schweigert for example.
February 28th, 2013 at 7:53 pm
Squirt Squirt Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 7:43 pm
Is it true the Raiders only scored 1 rushing TD all year? Game 16. Pryor. What the he11. No wonder Knapp got fired. Now he goes to a winning rival to show off his goods. Allen and McKenzie better get it together, or we are in a heap of doo. A dump truck load of doo.
BTW, how is the Jamarcuss comeback going? Be interesting to see him make a splash. I didn’t even know the Raiders cut him till last week.
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No, but it is closer to 1 than it is to 10.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I remember the long DMAC run against Pittsburgh for a TD and I think he had another one…goal line score.
Seriously, are we talking maybe 3 or 4 rushing td’s all year long?
February 28th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:03 pm
I remember the long DMAC run against Pittsburgh for a TD and I think he had another one…goal line score.
Seriously, are we talking maybe 3 or 4 rushing td’s all year long?
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Ouch.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:10 pm
It’s 4.
From NFL.com
DMC: 2
Palmer: 1
Pryor: 1
February 28th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Warmack at 3 doesn’t seem too bad now does it?
February 28th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Dmac for two TD’s, Pryor for one and…wait for it…Palmer for one.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
rediaR Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
Warmack at 3 doesn’t seem too bad now does it?
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You know what…it’s not sexy but you’re right….when you ponder that 4 td stat it’s hard to argue against it.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:19 pm
That’s fricking pathetic!
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
My head is starting to spin from talk about all these players.
Barring a trade down, I feel pretty confident it’s gonna be one of these 3 for the RAIDS.
Floyd.
Fischer.
Smith.
Floyd: DickSey is as good as gone. The return of Kelly and Bryant is doubtful. What’s left ? Houston and Bilukidi ? RAIDS CAN’T go into 2013 with just those 2.
Floyd fills an immediate need. Strength and quicks and provides interior pass rush. Doesn’t have the immense bulk of a Wilfork, Ngata or even Star – but this guy brings the total package. I am not philosophically opposed to teaming two non-giants like Houston and Floyd at DT. They WILL get it done inside, against both the pass and run. This pair will be tough to handle.
Fischer: IMO, the best OT available. Like him over Joekel.
Geno: Not particularly high on Mr. Smith, but can’t overstate the importance of possibly landing a franchise QB. I’d be happy to roll with TP in 2013, but doubt the RAIDS are. Have to prepare to move past CP. If it ain’t gonna be TP or GS, then Manziel or Murray will be targeted in 2014.
If the GREAT AL DAVIS was still alive, I’d tell you that ANSAH was our man and TP would be given a shot in 2013.
Damn, I miss Al.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:25 pm
I’d take Warmack at three and not look back. Lower would be nice if Reggie knows he’ll be there and works a trade. Doubt he drops to ten.
February 28th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
Yeah Purvis. It’s tough cuz u’d love a guy like Warmack but like Raiderman points out, w/o Seymour and Kelly we’re gonna NEED someone good on that d-line.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
Well, it’s supposed to be a loaded draft for defensive lineman. If our linebacker GM, linebacker and defensive guru HC, and ‘Mad Chemist’defensive coordinator can’t sort thru’ it, we’re in trouble.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Just Seen that pic that Taiwan Jones put up!!! Man that makes me feel good inside, I love that these guys are doing this on their own!!! Sterling Moore??? I’d welcome him back!!!#IFWEDONTGRINDWEDONTSHINE#!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:22 pm
If the GREAT AL DAVIS was still alive, I’d tell you that ANSAH was our man and TP would be given a shot in 2013.
Damn, I miss Al.
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Dee Milliner would be the pick and Pryor would be starting in 2013.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:43 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Just Seen that pic that Taiwan Jones put up!!!
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It is pretty impressive. Good to see them taking the initiative.
February 28th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
February 28th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
If the GREAT AL DAVIS was still alive, I’d tell you that ANSAH was our man and TP would be given a shot in 2013.
Damn, I miss Al.
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R8eray Says:
Dee Milliner would be the pick and Pryor would be starting in 2013.
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Al had high hopes for Pryor obviously, since he drafted him. Will make it that much sweeter if he does well.
But don’t forget Al loved former #1’s,Al loved Heisman winners, Al loved USC, and Al loved big strong armed downfield passers.
Hard to say who’d be starting.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:11 pm
I’ve seen it pointed out that Pryor shouldn’t get a shot at starting…EVER if he doesn’t outplay the current starter in camp; that it’s a case of “too bad, too sad. Welcome to the NFL”, and how many guys don’t ever get a shot that maybe would have done well cuz circumstances just don’t allow for it and they failed to emerge in practice as being so far above the current starter that they never get a real chance.
Let’s face it. Even if Ryan Mallett blew Brady away in every practice they had he’s never getting a shot over a healthy Brady. Same thing in GB, NYG, New Orleans etc. Even in Oakland it’s possible they never give him his chance…regardless if they cut or trade Palmer.
They could cut Palmer tomorrow and Pryor still never see the field. They could draft Geno (doubtful) or bring in some unsung veteran in a money saving move and then announce that this new guy “beat out” Pryor for the job.
IMO though, even if he doesn’t shine head and shoulders above the competition in camp, they should give Pryor a real shot at leading the team. I’m not for wasting yet another full season to find out if he can or not if he shows in camp that he just isn’t ready, but at some point I really wanna see with my own eyes that he sucks…..cuz if I don’t get to see it, i’m not gonna believe it.
I’m not convinced that he can’t throw the football, or he’s as bad as some wanna say he is. The SD game convinced many that that is the case. Not me.
He was Al’s last pick too which adds to it all…at least for me.
If it’s shown at camp that he is just so far behind the other guys and that he just can’t be anything close to an NFL Qb..than ok…fine, but if he’s even in close competition than he should get the nod…imo.
This is coming from one of the known members of the “Cult of Palmer” too so u know i’m being straight. Lol.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:25 pm
McK and Raiders should just target pass rusher OLB/DE Dion Jordan or DT/NT Star Lotulelei.
Use the LT that falls to them between Joke and Fisher as trade down bait and try and use Geno as trade bait as well to one of the teams between Zona, Browns, Bills, and Jets who need a QB as trade bait.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Don’t like the Floyd. He is a short armed 3 tech who will probably flame out and will not make much of an impact IMO as most high draft pick DT’s usually do.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:30 pm
rediaR Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 5:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Pick OLB/DE Dion Jordan, DT/NT Star, OLB/DE Ansah or G Warmack at #3 and be happy b**ches!
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I don’t think I could make a list much better than that.
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Or a trade down of course! haha
February 28th, 2013 at 10:34 pm
I’m hoping Star, a stout legitimate 2 gapper, which would allow them the flexibility to play 3-4 or 4-3 and blitzes.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:36 pm
If that is what Star is, I’m all for it. I just have my doubts about that and the heart thing certainly doesn’t help.
February 28th, 2013 at 10:37 pm
Get Jordan or Star with 1st pick and then perhaps pick DT/DE Hunt in the 3rd round or the best Center or Guard or CB/S Matheiu?
February 28th, 2013 at 10:38 pm
I think Star will be cleared soon….
February 28th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Star’s pro day is March 20.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Star’s pro day is March 20.
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I mean the heart ailment will be cleared up before than. At least it should be….if it isn’t then he should be not working out on pro day right?
He will be fine.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:13 pm
After watching some more tape Im starting to like Floyd alot more. I also like Jones over anyone of these pass rushers, Yeah I know he has some health questions and I don’t like that he didn’t workout at combine, but the tape don’t lie, he is hands down the best speed rusher in this draft.
If we go defense and stay at #3 it will either be Floyd or Jones….BOOK IT!!!
February 28th, 2013 at 11:20 pm
I wish there was a way we could get both Floyd and Jones, that would turn this defense around in a hurry.
One thing that worries me about Floyd is those comments about him not watching football and how he didn’t understand why his friends would get so excited while watching football, just made me wonder if he really loves the game, he says he loves playing it but just wasn’t into watching it so… Im guessing those comments didn’t sit well with Reggie though.
February 28th, 2013 at 11:50 pm
Have cut or restructured anyone yet?
March 1st, 2013 at 12:11 am
The only cutting done has been by depressed raider fans.
March 1st, 2013 at 12:11 am
NGRaiderfan Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
that logic is dumb.
SEC has more nfl type players than any other conference and he was killin it. a lot of his TO came against guys either in the nfl or going to be drafted
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That is EXACTLY what Rolando McClain said. Before he was COMPLETELY over matched.
March 1st, 2013 at 12:17 am
rediaR Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 12:11 am
The only cutting done has been by depressed raider fans.
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I wish. If we could cut 75% of idiot Raider fan, we would be a 10-6 team by next year.
March 1st, 2013 at 12:22 am
Seymour Bush Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 12:17 am
rediaR Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 12:11 am
The only cutting done has been by depressed raider fans.
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I wish. If we could cut 75% of idiot Raider fan, we would be a 10-6 team by next year.
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I was making a self mutilation joke actually.
March 1st, 2013 at 2:42 am
Charlie Says:
February 28th, 2013 at 8:55 am
I said it two weeks ago and I will say it again.
This year and next we will invest our top two picks on lineman.
Even if you believe the guys we have are capable (I think that only Wiz,Houston and Veld are of NFL caliber), age and injury history alone point to immediate need at three spots.
RT (Barnes is 30 and gone)
Seymour (Gone-can not even practice let alone play)
Carlisle (35-possibly stays as a backup at a vastly reduced salary).
That is three starters. NEEDED NOW.
Bryant, Bilikidi, Kelly, Shaunessy are NFL backups.
Bergstrom is a question mark and Brisiel needs to rebound after an injury plaqued year wand who is also 29.
Carter is 34.
A massive infusion of GOOD line help is needed.
We will get DB’s in the later rounds.
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Agreed 100%
March 1st, 2013 at 4:38 am
I can’t believe you would even suggest that.
If Palmer restructures, he’s not getting cut.
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Attn: Jhill
Cassel is 30 years old and healthy
Palmer is 33 and rehabbing
Cassel just made a Pro Bowl in 2010
Palmer hasn’t made one since 2006
Cassel just went to the postseason in 2010
Palmer hasn’t been since 2009
Cassel can be had for less than $3 mil per
Palmer’s contract calls for him to make $13+ mil
we’re talking about stopgaps here, not the future. somebody who can compete with Pryor and possibly help mentor him
I agree with you though. If Palmer restructures, he’s not getting cut. He’s probably getting traded
March 1st, 2013 at 4:50 am
I like Cassel. He has proven he can play in NE and KC. He will do the same for the next team he plays on.
Hows work brother rockstar?
March 1st, 2013 at 5:27 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
and Happy Friday !!!!
March 1st, 2013 at 5:29 am
Let’s look at the Cassel v. Alex Smith comparison for a moment. Was this really an upgrade?
Matt Cassel – 58.9 completion %, 13,495 yards, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 Fumbles, 80.4 Passer Rating
Alex Smith – 59.3 completion %, 14,280 yards, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 Fumbles, 79.1 Passer Rating
Take a good look at those career numbers. Seem pretty interchangable to me. And Cassel is looking at a future career as a backup QB.
Now compare that to Carson Palmer:
Carson Palmer – 62.5 completion %, 29,465 yards, 189 TD, 130 INT, 51 Fumbles, 86.2 Passing Rating
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or for a more dramatic effect lets put list them all here:
Matt Cassel – 58.9 completion %, 13,495 yards, 82 TD, 57 INT, 24 Fumbles, 80.4 Passer Rating
Alex Smith – 59.3 completion %, 14,280 yards, 81 TD, 63 INT, 36 Fumbles, 79.1 Passer Rating
Carson Palmer – 62.5 completion %, 29,465 yards, 189 TD, 130 INT, 51 Fumbles, 86.2 Passing Rating
March 1st, 2013 at 5:31 am
Alex Smith = Matt Cassel <<<< Carson Palmer
March 1st, 2013 at 5:36 am
Carson Palmer was better than Cassell, he is not better than Smith.
Palmer will have a better career, and certainly 2005/2006 Carson Palmer was light years better than Smth.
In 2013?? Not close. We now have the worst QB in the division.
March 1st, 2013 at 5:42 am
Plunk, I thought you retired, what are you doing up so early?
March 1st, 2013 at 5:49 am
I have been semi retired for a few years now and I still go to bed by 7 or 8. Been an early riser all my life
March 1st, 2013 at 5:51 am
Carson Palmer was better than Cassell, he is not better than Smith.
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this is just opinion. the stats say different. in fact look at the stats closely and Alex Smith hasn’t done a whole lot with his career with anyone other than Harbaugh. Now he goes to learn the WCO, which really wasn’t what they were playing in SF. They play a variation of the Don Coryell offense there. So it’s back to school for Alex Smith. New coach, new coordinator, new everything. We’ve seen this cycle repeat with him his entire career. If he were any good at all, he’d not have to recreate himself every year. Talented QB’s like Carson don’t have to go thru this rinse/repeat cycle because talented coaches understand his natural ability and tailor the offense to flow thru him rather than vice versa for a lesser talent like an Alex Smith.
March 1st, 2013 at 5:51 am
Happy Aloha Friday Nation!!!
Whoa…Alex Smith is who, why, what???
March 1st, 2013 at 5:53 am
We now have the worst QB in the division.
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With certainty, I believe this statement is wrong. In fact, P Rivers has dropped off so much that I’m not even sure he’s 2nd to worst now in the division.
March 1st, 2013 at 5:54 am
Happy ALOHA Hawaiian Raider!
Finally Friday is here!
March 1st, 2013 at 5:56 am
Talented QB’s like Carson don’t have to go thru this rinse/repeat cycle
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Palmer has had more OC’s of late than Smith has.
March 1st, 2013 at 5:57 am
Palmer has had more OC’s of late than Smith has.
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this is true. are we dissecting his career in 2 year windows? Alex…he’s going on his 9th or 10th OC now?
I honestly lost count.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:00 am
I am dissecting QB’s for 2013.
Who would you rather have, a guy fresh off playing in some playoff games, and getting coached by one of the best in the game, or someone who went 4-12 and played for Gregory Knapp?
March 1st, 2013 at 6:02 am
Alex Smith’s forst 7 years was with 7 different OC’s and 3 diffiernt HC’s! He is what he is. Is he a product of a system? We’ll shall soon see! Matt Cassell certainly was because his best year was when Brady went down. Had one decent year in KC a few years back. I say decent because he got destroyed in the playoffs (after we destroyed him). Like I said, it is what it is! Problem though…Smith is 2-0 against us! Hopefully that changes!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:02 am
Who would you rather have, a guy fresh off playing in some playoff games, and getting coached by one of the best in the game, or someone who went 4-12 and played for Gregory Knapp?
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a guy fresh off playing some playoff games? Well of course, I’d rather have Colin Kaepernick! Why didn’t you say so!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:06 am
Matt Cassel is pretty much washed up now. He lost his nerve in the pocket and turned into a checkdown QB. Earlier in his career he would air it out. But the line in KC was getting brutalized and the WR’s they had other than Bowe never panned out. I remember a lot of hype around that rookie Baldwin but he was terrible. Cassel looks like he lost his confidence. It happens. He’s really was not that bad. But he’s damaged goods now. He could have had Alex Smith’s career track if he were in SF with Harbaugh. I think the two QB’s are interchangable talent wise.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:08 am
Cassell doesn’t have any dog in his soul.
Hit him a few times, and he weenie’s out more than just about any QB I ever seen.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:09 am
Hows work brother rockstar?
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good Plunk!
I love it here. my boss is super amazing
how are things 4 you?
March 1st, 2013 at 6:09 am
In 2 games against us, Smith has 5 TD’s to 1 INT.
KC upgraded their QB spot, and HC, and have the #1 pick in the draft.
We can’t just roll out the same HC and QB, bring in the OC from that vaunted Jax offense and hope drafting a DT #3 overall is going to turn around a 4-12 team.
We need new blood, some freshness, some youthful energy.
Carson is stale.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:11 am
agreed. he’s a dog that’s been beaten so many times he instinctively flinches. shame to see a man’s soul scarred like that. at least he made some bank in this league right? i hear he made over $40 million so far in his career. not bad for a dude that owes his career to that dude in baltimore who took out Brady’s knee. i think he owes that guy some of his loot. he can retire rich thanks to him.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:11 am
Falcos are releasing Dunta Robinson, Michael turner and John Abraham! Whoa…
March 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 5:27 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!!
and my GreenParty brothers !!!
and Happy Friday !!!!
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as the GreenParty Prez would say
well then fuk you guys on this lovley day in
beautiful southern maryland !!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
Actually Guest, wasn’t it KC that took out Brady in game 1 that year?
March 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
Go get Dunta!!!!
Best tackling DB in the NFL, IMO.
Dude will flatten you.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:14 am
Carson is stale.
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true. but let’s see who left the bread bag open all night. the guys in charge of acquiring WR talent made Carson go stale. Time to bake some fresh bread. Bring in a real WR#1 and toss some stale bread in the trash.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:14 am
It was Bernie Pollard who rolled Brady’s knee.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:14 am
LOL, what’s up Mike…Happy Aloha F yeah Friday!!!
In other news, we are $800,000 over the cap!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:15 am
1504.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
Go get Dunta!!!!
Best tackling DB in the NFL, IMO.
Dude will flatten you.
And that’s what we need right there!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:16 am
It’s certainly not all Carson’s fault, he is a vet guy who needed to go to a vet team, not this youthful, never won anything bunch.
But a QB’s job is to lead, and this entire team is massively deviod of any leadership.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:16 am
Actually Guest, wasn’t it KC that took out Brady in game 1 that year?
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You could be right Hwnrdr. I am going off memory. I admit I didn’t google it. But the point stands. Look at the money that hit made Cassel.
Ryan Mallet is the luckiest backup in the league. One hit to Brady and he can potentially break the bank.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:26 am
Falcos are releasing Dunta Robinson, Michael turner and John Abraham! Whoa
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Raiders are releasing McClain, Goethel & Tollefson!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:27 am
Yup, itwas Pollard that tore Brady’s knee…KC!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:28 am
1511.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:26 am
Falcos are releasing Dunta Robinson, Michael turner and John Abraham! Whoa
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Raiders are releasing McClain, Goethel & Tollefson!
LOL
March 1st, 2013 at 6:34 am
But a QB’s job is to lead, and this entire team is massively deviod of any leadership.
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i think that’s overstating things. yes, the team lacks leadership. wouldn’t say massively devoid though. but lacking yes. i’m glad you don’t put all the blame on carson. yes, he deserves some of the blame. point the finger at the guys who assembled this team. it can’t be just one leader, even if carson were the best leader. it still wouldn’t be enough.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:36 am
Raiders are releasing McClain, Goethel & Tollefson!
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link? source? did Cork get scooped again!?!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:48 am
In other news, we are $800,000 over the cap!
1508.hwnrdr Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:15 am
1504.Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:13 am
Go get Dunta!!!!
Best tackling DB in the NFL, IMO.
Dude will flatten you.
And that’s what we need right there!
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That would be nice!
Think he has any concussion issues?
Always thought it was B.S. he got suspended for the D. Jackson hit, they knocked each out and Jackson clearly lowers his sholders and head for the hit. Don’t think it is fair that a offensive player can T-Off on a Defensive player.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:52 am
Good Morning Dutch! you mean like Hines Ward?
March 1st, 2013 at 6:53 am
DAMN HARD TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE AROUND HERE SINCE GABBY PASSED AWAY..
March 1st, 2013 at 6:58 am
Listened to Pat Kirwan on Sirius yesterday and he threw out some stats on Alex Smith that even I couldn’t ignore. In the 2011 championship game, the Niners were 1-13 on 3rd down, a big reason why they pursued PM that offseason and a bigger reason why Kap has the job right now. Also, Smith is 2-25 when the opposing team scores at least 24 pts. Kirwan doesn’t see the fit. Says that Smith does his best when he throw less than 25 times a game while Reed wants to throw it all over the yard. Said that Reed will have to change his philosophy for this to work. Also thinks Chiefs should re-sign Albert and drafted Dee Milliner #1.
March 1st, 2013 at 6:58 am
Cassell doesn’t have any dog in his soul.
Hit him a few times, and he weenie’s out more than just about any QB I ever seen.
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Yes Surrrrrr
March 1st, 2013 at 6:58 am
1518.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:53 am
DAMN HARD TO GET A CUP OF COFFEE AROUND HERE SINCE GABBY PASSED AWAY..
NOOOOOO!
March 1st, 2013 at 6:59 am
That is true, Debo!
March 1st, 2013 at 7:04 am
1517.hwnrdr Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:52 am
Good Morning Dutch! you mean like Hines Ward?
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Happy Friday and that is a good example.
Keep the Alex Smith hate coming Debo, it warms my soul! Great post! Also, I hear from many 9er Alex Smith haters that he locks unto one receiver and has no vision of the field.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:08 am
Hwnrdr Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:59 am
That is true, Debo!
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Granted, with what the Chiefs had at QB last year, they got better by getting Smith. But not that much better. Not worried about that dude at all.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:14 am
I believe Harbaugh had a HUGE part in Alex Smith having two good years. For his sake though, I am glad that the 9ers gave him his justice!
March 1st, 2013 at 7:21 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/01/david-garrard-says-jets-workout-went-well/
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This would be a hell of a signing by the Jets.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:24 am
I hear the Jets are going to try out Brady Quinn as well. Hope Sanchez and Tebow’s ego don’t get too hurt.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 4:38 am
I can’t believe you would even suggest that.
If Palmer restructures, he’s not getting cut.
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Attn: Jhill
Cassel is 30 years old and healthy
Palmer is 33 and rehabbing
Cassel just made a Pro Bowl in 2010
Palmer hasn’t made one since 2006
Cassel just went to the postseason in 2010
Palmer hasn’t been since 2009
Cassel can be had for less than $3 mil per
Palmer’s contract calls for him to make $13+ mil
we’re talking about stopgaps here, not the future. somebody who can compete with Pryor and possibly help mentor him
I agree with you though. If Palmer restructures, he’s not getting cut. He’s probably getting traded
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I’m not sure I would want Cassel mentoring anyone.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:27 am
YOU guys throughout all these numbers on these quarterbacks
I don’t think you realize that there’s 10 other players around him
DO think Alex Smith got all them first downs by himself!!!!!!!!!
Carson Palmer went 4\12 because he had no running game
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the readers were one-dimensional nobody can win like that
is Alec Smith a good quarterback he was a good quarterback drivering that Cadillac
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I don’t know how good that Geo Prism will work four him in Kansas City
March 1st, 2013 at 7:35 am
Listening to the talking heads on 95.7, that the 9ers could trade with the Jets for Reavis.
Wonder if the Jets would want to trade with the Raiders to get Geno Smith? Trade #3 pick for #9, #33 (Chiefs 2nd) and 49ers (3rd, 95). Equals 2050 points, 3rd pick is worth 2,200 points.
The cost for Revis is projected 1 & 3. Thinking they would trade two 2nd and a 3rd?
Love to dream…
March 1st, 2013 at 7:37 am
Castle got lucky he was on the patriots behind Brady Brady got hurt they put in a simple offense for him and he looks good you have to remember though this is the patriots this is Bill Belichick’s finest he’s got all the pieces is driving a finely tuned Cadillac.
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Then he goes to Kansas City for a butt load of money and guess what there is no Caddy’s just a four year old Ford Taurus is hard to make chicken salad out of chicken ship
We have the same problem Carson Palmer’s car is in 1990 Geo prism
it will get you back and forth to work it’s not pretty to look at but it didn’t cost much
Al Davis in the 70s Kenny Stabler asked him how he was doing Al said you’re driving a Cadillac
March 1st, 2013 at 7:41 am
guest123 Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 7:24 am
I hear the Jets are going to try out Brady Quinn as well. Hope Sanchez and Tebow’s ego don’t get too hurt.
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LOL…..I bet Gerrard would win over Quinn.
Brady’s auditioning for Scout Team duties
March 1st, 2013 at 7:43 am
how are things 4 you?
blessed like a big dog
March 1st, 2013 at 7:44 am
No way the 49ers trade the recently acquired 2nd rounder for Revis on a one year rental. Revis isn’t the shutdown take-away-half-the-field guy anymore since his injury. Still very good. Not worth a 1 and a 3. Not at his contract value and impending free agency. The 49ers trading for him is kind like the Lakers trading for D12.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:46 am
LOL…..I bet Gerrard would win over Quinn.
Brady’s auditioning for Scout Team duties
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Weren’t the Jest also looking at Jameatball? They should put out an open tryout at QB, like in the movie “invincable”.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:50 am
LMAO……”Invincable”…….
That was a great movie though.
Yeah, Sanchez is prolly moping around and kicking rocks right now, and Tebow just standing there with a confused “Who Farted” look on his face, with the parade of QB’s coming in and out of the facility.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:52 am
Sounds like the jets are as desperate as Larry Fitzgerald.
Cardinals should do football a favor and trade him. If I was SF I would rather have fitz then revis.
Get Fitz and win the SB next year
March 1st, 2013 at 7:52 am
1534.guest123 Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 7:44 am
No way the 49ers trade the recently acquired 2nd rounder for Revis on a one year rental. Revis isn’t the shutdown take-away-half-the-field guy anymore since his injury. Still very good. Not worth a 1 and a 3. Not at his contract value and impending free agency. The 49ers trading for him is kind like the Lakers trading for D12.
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Agree, sounds crazy, only reporting what the “experts” said Reavis’s value is. Herm Edwards said Reavis should be the one courting the 9ers. That he could offer his services at a reduced rate (Deion Sanders style), win a Super Bowl and get paid.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:53 am
link? source? did Cork get scooped again!?!
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come on GMoney, would that surprise anybody?
I’m not trying to stir the pot here..
It’s not like I said the Raiders released Palmer, McFadden & Heyward-Bey
the Raider fans version of Aikman/Smith/Irvin
March 1st, 2013 at 7:53 am
Sanchez and Tebow are “Step Brothers” Will Farrel / John C. Reilly.
They hated each other, now they’re best buds, and the world is against them. HAHAHAHAHAHA
March 1st, 2013 at 7:53 am
Smith is better than Carson Palmer Brady is better than Smith and on and on it goes
Alex Smith is a good quarterback when he has a good team around HIM when he getsA NEW office coordinator year and a bunch of jerks TO coach and Alex isn’t too good
look at Rogers he was drafted 27 pics behind Smith he went to Green Bay is set on the bench behind one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL how’s he doing now
being a quarterback in the NFL has a lot to do with what team you get on and how the coaching staff is
Cincinnati was never good place to play the owner that team was so cheap
he never keep the player for any length of time and they just couldn’t win the big one
you give Carson Palmer a good defense a good running game and a couple good wide receivers and he can win as many games as Alex Smith or any other quarterback in the league. There is exceptional quarterbacks but it all starts with a good team around him
March 1st, 2013 at 7:55 am
the Jets are going to release Tebow and replace him with David Garrard?
Lol, yeah that’ll light a fire under Sanchez
NYJ = joke
hope they trade for Palmer
March 1st, 2013 at 7:56 am
It’s not like I said the Raiders released Palmer, McFadden & Heyward-Bey
the Raider fans version of Aikman/Smith/Irvin
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lol
March 1st, 2013 at 7:57 am
If John Abraham doesn’t demand to much $$ would you sign him to a 2 year deal with incentives? I would.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:58 am
1542.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 7:55 am
the Jets are going to release Tebow and replace him with David Garrard?
Lol, yeah that’ll light a fire under Sanchez
NYJ = joke
hope they trade for Palmer
GM Rockstar! I think The Jets are in cap he!! this year…I believe…trading for Palmer and his contract? I would laugh if I see that!
March 1st, 2013 at 7:59 am
NYJ = joke
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agreed. where do you see anywhere but in NYJ land that they fire the GM but keep the HC without expanding HC’s duties to GM? i mean, who in their right mind does that? only in jestland.
March 1st, 2013 at 7:59 am
Willy91137 Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 7:53 am
Smith is better than Carson Palmer Brady is better than Smith and on and on it goes
Alex Smith is a good quarterback when he has a good team around HIM when he getsA NEW office coordinator year and a bunch of jerks TO coach and Alex isn’t too good
look at Rogers he was drafted 27 pics behind Smith he went to Green Bay is set on the bench behind one of the better quarterbacks in the NFL how’s he doing now
being a quarterback in the NFL has a lot to do with what team you get on and how the coaching staff is
Cincinnati was never good place to play the owner that team was so cheap
he never keep the player for any length of time and they just couldn’t win the big one
you give Carson Palmer a good defense a good running game and a couple good wide receivers and he can win as many games as Alex Smith or any other quarterback in the league. There is exceptional quarterbacks but it all starts with a good team around him
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JaMarcus agrees with you.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:01 am
guest123 Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 7:44 am
No way the 49ers trade the recently acquired 2nd rounder for Revis on a one year rental. Revis isn’t the shutdown take-away-half-the-field guy anymore since his injury. Still very good. Not worth a 1 and a 3. Not at his contract value and impending free agency. The 49ers trading for him is kind like the Lakers trading for D12.
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and his contract has a clause that he cant
be franchised.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:02 am
where do you see anywhere but in NYJ land that they fire the GM but keep the HC without expanding HC’s duties to GM? i mean, who in their right mind does that? only in jestland.
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GMoney,
isn’t that what YOU PEOPLE wanted to do with Hue Jackson?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:07 am
The 49ers will get Rivas in 1983 Al Davis.Haines that made 83 84 Raiders the best defense in the NFL we were unstoppable even with Plunkett driving the car at is all the 49ers need to put him over the top.
we had to shutdown corners we could make any TEAM one-dimensional and you could not run on us
that was Al’s best defense it was man on man all the way across the board no zone
no zone blocking Mono Mono ask THE Washington Redskins are good that defense was
March 1st, 2013 at 8:08 am
isn’t that what YOU PEOPLE wanted to do with Hue Jackson?
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“YOU PEOPLE”? lol,
The previous GM died forchrisakes! remember? It’s not exactly the same situation. This was a case of filling in leadership that was vacant for a half a year. In this case, new management could have been considered Hue Jax and worked with him to accept a lesser role of leadership. I think management just wanted to ramrod him out of personal spite. And maybe Hue deserved some humbling, but they took it too far. They never should have let him go.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:10 am
I think The Jets are in cap he!! this year…I believe…trading for Palmer and his contract? I would laugh if I see that!
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Hwnrdr,
the Raiders are in cap purgatory as well
the Palmer cult keeps saying he needs a better supporting cast, so why wouldn’t Carson jump at the chance to play for them with Santonio Holmes at WR and guys like Ferguson & Mangold up front?
don’t forget power backs Powell & McKnight plus a stout defense. no excuses for CP3 to flop there, right?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:15 am
the Palmer cult keeps saying he needs a better supporting cast, so why wouldn’t Carson jump at the chance to play for them with Santonio Holmes at WR and guys like Ferguson & Mangold up front?
don’t forget power backs Powell & McKnight plus a stout defense. no excuses for CP3 to flop there, right?
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not to mention hooking up with Chaz Schilens and Sanjay Lal! Let’s work a trade for their 2nd round pick this year and next year!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:15 am
i’m cool with cp coming back and pryor groomed underneath him. but if we draft warmack, the thought of dmac and pryor running behind our oline is very intriguing also the offseason workouts could result in the jason campbell type chemistry with receivers we had early 2011
March 1st, 2013 at 8:15 am
@G123
Al didn’t fire himself, Jesus fired him
either way – it’s a vacant GM opening with a HC that you guys wanted to retain rather than seek fresh blood
Hue Jax should have had the opportunity to re-interview for his job, but I think BigMac already knew he wasn’t the man for the job. Why waste anybody’s time?
Hue will never be a HC again at the NFL level. He may never be an OC again either. He’s just a position coach like Greg Knapp & Tom Cable. Not a leader of men
March 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:14 am
It was Bernie Pollard who rolled Brady’s knee.
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…and Gronk’s knee(or was it ankle?)and there have been others.
If u watch those injuries inflicted by Pollard you’ll see he unnecessarily rolls his body over the lower legs and imo he is intentionally trying to injure people.
If he was on the Raiders I would probably mind it a little less, but he’s not, so he’s a scumbag.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am
looks like there will be a lot of highly productive vets avail in FA, with the increased supply, cost should be down for their services…
March 1st, 2013 at 8:18 am
not to mention hooking up with Chaz Schilens and Sanjay Lal!
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@GMoney
china doll Chaz is a free agent.
Sanjay Lal > Ted Gilmore (obviously!)
March 1st, 2013 at 8:18 am
Hue will never be a HC again at the NFL level. He may never be an OC again either. He’s just a position coach like Greg Knapp & Tom Cable. Not a leader of men
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and Big Reggie Mck is one? Jury still out on that one. I hear he’s well liked over at the IHOP.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am
If he was on the Raiders I would probably mind it a little less, but he’s not, so he’s a scumbag.
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I appreciate the brutal unhypocritacal honesty there DJ Johnny.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:19 am
I said NFL quarterback Russell was thought to be a NFL quarterback but he was a lazy dumb ass if he would’ve applied himself he could’ve been a great quarterback
there was plenty of other teams that would’ve drafted him if the Raiders hadn’t of
some people think he can still be a good quarterback the guy had a lot of talent but he did what to use it some men are men and 18 others not till they are 30
March 1st, 2013 at 8:20 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am
looks like there will be a lot of highly productive vets avail in FA, with the increased supply, cost should be down for their services…
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where are we currently sitting at? like 3 million under the cap probably?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:24 am
You guys talking about Cassell and I remember that season he filled in for Brady and they went 11-5 and everyone was crazy about him.
I’m sure some of you guys remember that game he put 55 pt’s or something close on us at home that yr. with NE?
The cast he had around him helped alot i’m sure.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:26 am
where are we currently sitting at? like 3 million under the cap probably?
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X,
after cutting Seymour I think it was reported we are currently 800k over!!
and we haven’t even re-signed any of our own players yet. Reggie is going to have some serious work to do in the next 11 days if he wants to be a player in FA
keep in mind, we dont have to be cap compliant until like mid-August if I recall
March 1st, 2013 at 8:27 am
The 49ers will get Rivas in 1983 Al Davis.Haines that made 83 84 Raiders the best defense in the NFL we were unstoppable even with Plunkett driving the car at is all the 49ers need to put him over the top.
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lets eat grandma
lets eat,grandma
punctuation,saving lives for centuries !!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
1560,
Ha. Thanks Guest. The Raiders back in the Tatum, Atkinson days etc. were what made us the feared, dominating bad boys and that kind of attitude is the stuff of legends.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
Big Reggie Mck is one? Jury still out on that one. I hear he’s well liked over at the IHOP.
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Why is Reggie always associated with IHOP?
I don’t get it. please explain
I think I’ve missed the punchline on that like 100 times in the past few weeks by multiple bloggers
March 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
the offseason workouts could result in the jason campbell type chemistry with receivers we had early 2011
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Talkin bout chemistry…..I’ve already seen about a half dozen pics of Pryor and a group of our receivers out training together.
TP is takin’ charge
March 1st, 2013 at 8:29 am
xraided Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:20 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:17 am
looks like there will be a lot of highly productive vets avail in FA, with the increased supply, cost should be down for their services…
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where are we currently sitting at? like 3 million under the cap probably?
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hwnrdr Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 6:14 am
LOL, what’s up Mike…Happy Aloha F yeah Friday!!!
In other news, we are $800,000 over the cap!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:32 am
1567.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:28 am
Big Reggie Mck is one? Jury still out on that one. I hear he’s well liked over at the IHOP.
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Why is Reggie always associated with IHOP?
I don’t get it. please explain
I think I’ve missed the punchline on that like 100 times in the past few weeks by multiple bloggers
Agreed!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:32 am
Ma’ake Kemoeatu & Ryan McBean are UFA’s
Ray Lewis retired and Dannell Ellerbe is also a UFA
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package deal, Kelly & McClain to Baltimore in exchange for RB Bernard Pierce and a 7th rounder?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:33 am
Why is Reggie always associated with IHOP?
I don’t get it. please explain
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maybe it’s to do with a little weight problem? I dunno man. It’s nothing personal, bloggers taking shots. Not anything to get upset over. He just doesn’t seem to be doing anything when the league is abuzz in activity. Always so calm and tranquil about everything when the team needs a leader to come out already with the plan. Things went bad this last season and Raider fans aren’t used to peaceful protests. We’ve long been conditioned to Al. Try to understand, it may not even be reasonable. Old ways die hard.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:33 am
There’s no “Punch-Line”
March 1st, 2013 at 8:35 am
Baltimore ain’t dumping Pierce……. Temple turned out some good guys last year.
Pierce and Streater played together.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:10 am
I think The Jets are in cap he!! this year…I believe…trading for Palmer and his contract? I would laugh if I see that!
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Hwnrdr,
the Raiders are in cap purgatory as well
the Palmer cult keeps saying he needs a better supporting cast, so why wouldn’t Carson jump at the chance to play for them with Santonio Holmes at WR and guys like Ferguson & Mangold up front?
don’t forget power backs Powell & McKnight plus a stout defense. no excuses for CP3 to flop there, right?
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Wasn’t one of the reasons CP wanted out of Cinci was to be be back on the west coast?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:37 am
There were rumors that ihop wanted to sponser the team, maybe name the stadium. That’s what I think they are talking about.
Not near as retarded as “tits”
March 1st, 2013 at 8:38 am
maybe it’s to do with a little weight problem? I dunno man
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Ok, well the guy is a 50 year old general manager – not a 23 year old football player
who cares what he weighs? I don’t see him out promoting health & wellness or anything.
Would losing weight cause him to make better football decisions?
Should he fire his wife and hire a personal chef?
where are we going with this?
March 1st, 2013 at 8:38 am
I agree about the Ravens holding onto Pierce. He’s great insurance for Ray Rice.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:26 am
where are we currently sitting at? like 3 million under the cap probably?
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X,
after cutting Seymour I think it was reported we are currently 800k over!!
and we haven’t even re-signed any of our own players yet. Reggie is going to have some serious work to do in the next 11 days if he wants to be a player in FA
keep in mind, we dont have to be cap compliant until like mid-August if I recall
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ouchies. yea he’ll get it done before August. TK Seymour CP’s restructure(or release)… that’ll save some doe.. unfortunately not enough to get an impact player. he’ll have to pull a couple of Wheeler(and dealer) like deals to solidify some positions. that’s why we need 3 or 4 good picks in the draft. i dont want his job right now!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:41 am
1577.RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:38 am
maybe it’s to do with a little weight problem? I dunno man
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Ok, well the guy is a 50 year old general manager – not a 23 year old football player
who cares what he weighs? I don’t see him out promoting health & wellness or anything.
Would losing weight cause him to make better football decisions?
Should he fire his wife and hire a personal chef?
where are we going with this?
Funny thing about this…I met Reggie and even got a picture with him. He is a big guy, but not so much is fat! So that part about weight I don’t get…
March 1st, 2013 at 8:41 am
where are we going with this?
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nowhere. sorry that it irks you man. just hoping that the plan to be revealed in the next 2 weeks is a good one. the way it looks right now, it’s hard to gage if we are doing anything to get better personnel wise like other teams.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am
wish we were like the bungholes right now. 53 million under the cap or somethin like that.. and they have a deep playoff team? i’m actually very jealous of the bungles.. can’t believe i’m saying that.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am
Wasn’t one of the reasons CP wanted out of Cinci was to be be back on the west coast?
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Really? first time I’ve heard that
I thought Palmer retired and refused to play for Cincy ever again because the owner “lied to him” ?
Sheesh Gdog. You have a way of making Carson sound like a real pansy. Imagine all the haters if Pryor declared he wanted out so he could be closer to home and play for the Bengals or Browns!
March 1st, 2013 at 8:44 am
the way Carson handled that Cinci situation gives me serious doubts that he’ll want to take a paycut. we’ll find out soon.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:42 am
Wasn’t one of the reasons CP wanted out of Cinci was to be be back on the west coast?
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Really? first time I’ve heard that
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Not sure. Thats why I asked the question.
NY seems pretty far from San Diego. Not far from Oakland.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:46 am
wish we were like the bungholes right now. 53 million under the cap or somethin like that.. and they have a deep playoff team? i’m actually very jealous of the bungles.. can’t believe i’m saying that.
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don’t be jealous of Cincinnati. that place is a dump. bridges all rusted out. bums and panhandlers on every street corner. even their new baseball park has a big time mosquito problem in the summer.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:49 am
well not the place they live in no way.. but the state of their franchise … different story
March 1st, 2013 at 8:50 am
xraided Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:44 am
the way Carson handled that Cinci situation gives me serious doubts that he’ll want to take a paycut. we’ll find out soon.
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I think the opposite is true. He wanted out of Cinci so bad that he will reward the team that brought him closer to home.
BTW… anyone thinking that Palmer was the problem in Cinci should check out Palmers PFF metrics at Cinci in comparison to Dalton’s. Dalton’s are HORRIBLE.
They started winning despite him, not because of him, IMO. His face plant in both playoff games might give them pause too…
March 1st, 2013 at 8:51 am
wish we were like the bungholes right now. 53 million under the cap or somethin like that.. and they have a deep playoff team? i’m actually very jealous of the bungles.. can’t believe i’m saying that.
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They need a QB is all. grin
March 1st, 2013 at 8:53 am
the way Carson handled that Cinci situation gives me serious doubts that he’ll want to take a paycut. we’ll find out soon.
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X,
I think thats why it’s taking so long. I think Reggie made him an offer to stay that was probably half of what he’s looking for and he’s offended. He’s probably just sitting on it waiting for reports or rumors to surface that he’s on the trade block
an NFL owner & GM are required to get the best roster at a price they can afford. If the Cincy owner promised him some huge pay raise before the 2010 season and then Palmer went 4-12 I’m sure that owner didn’t feel a raise was in order. I mean seriously, are you guys naive enough to think that Al Davis didn’t lie to people? Or any other NFL owner or GM for that matter? It’s a part of the business. There is no honor system.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:54 am
I will never get tired of seeing the buttfumble
March 1st, 2013 at 8:56 am
His face plant in both playoff games might give them pause too…
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Gdog,
we are talking about Dalton’s playoff games in Cincy?
peep this:
2009
In Palmer’s first full playoff game, he struggled. Palmer threw the ball with a 50 percent completion percentage, with 1 touchdown, 1 interception, and a 53.8 passer rating, in a 24–14 loss to the New York Jets.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:53 am
the way Carson handled that Cinci situation gives me serious doubts that he’ll want to take a paycut. we’ll find out soon.
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X,
I think thats why it’s taking so long. I think Reggie made him an offer to stay that was probably half of what he’s looking for and he’s offended. He’s probably just sitting on it waiting for reports or rumors to surface that he’s on the trade block
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I thought its been reported that money isn’t an issue with CP?
BTW, if he restructures again, even if its for substantially less, it makes it nearly impossible for him to be cut until after 2014. It would cost us more to cut him than to keep him because the restructure money would double up.
The Palmer-haters should be crossing their fingers he doesn’t restructure for the good of the team.
March 1st, 2013 at 8:59 am
Now that the Chiefs look to have acquired quarterback Alex Smith from the San Francisco 49ers, KC can focus on another important need: offensive line. Joeckel is the best lineman in this year’s class and he should bolster the Chiefs’ ailing line.
2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida
Thanks to a great showing at the combine, Floyd is shooting up to the top of the first round. That’s good for the Jags because after their horrid numbers against the run last season, this team couldn’t stop a high school rushing attack.
3. Oakland Raiders: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
The Raiders desperately need a pass rusher after ranking near the bottom of the league in sacks last season. Jordan’s stock is at its highest after an impressive combine and he could be the answer at either defensive end or outside linebacker if necessary.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:02 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:56 am
His face plant in both playoff games might give them pause too…
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Gdog,
we are talking about Dalton’s playoff games in Cincy?
peep this:
2009
In Palmer’s first full playoff game, he struggled. Palmer threw the ball with a 50 percent completion percentage, with 1 touchdown, 1 interception, and a 53.8 passer rating, in a 24–14 loss to the New York Jets.
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You are never going to make the Palmer Cult at this rate…
March 1st, 2013 at 9:03 am
How many people on this blog seen the 84 Raiders play in Los Angeles
and I’m not going to eat grandma you can each ship though
the 2014 Raiders will probably be in Los Angeles to and Mark Davis will not be the owner
March 1st, 2013 at 9:04 am
Reggie is fat.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:05 am
The Palmer-haters should be crossing their fingers he doesn’t restructure for the good of the team.
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Gdog,
I agree. I don’t think another restructure is in order, reducing what he counts toward the cap and giving him another huge bonus check does nothing but prolong the agony. I think Reggie is tired of kicking the can down the road hurting his cap in future years. It came back to bite him on all 4 players last year: Palmer, Kelly, Huff & Seymour. None of them proved worthy of that huge bonus check that Mark Davis wrote. Plus Reggie now has the dead weight on his cap. Hopefully he’s learned his lesson. He’s not a rookie anymore. Now is the time for PAY CUTS.
Take a paycut or you will be traded or released. It’s that simple. Reggie has 5-10 players under contract with contracts that are “out of whack”. Reggie promised to gut this place. I think he’s sharpening his knife as we speak!
March 1st, 2013 at 9:07 am
yea he did come out and say money isn’t an issue. talk is cheap though. i hope i’m wrong… and im not a hater of his. i just think if a team offered up a trade that also included taking on that contract, do it and start fresh! i doubt that happens… so i hope he takes a nice big paycut so he can remain and we can plug some serious gaping holes…
March 1st, 2013 at 9:08 am
3. Oakland Raiders: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
The Raiders desperately need a pass rusher after ranking near the bottom of the league in sacks last season. Jordan’s stock is at its highest after an impressive combine and he could be the answer at either defensive end or outside linebacker if necessary.
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This is the stuff that drives me crazy. Nine out of the top 13 sack producing teams missed the playoffs last year.
Atlanta made a pretty strong SB push with a whopping 4 more sacks than Oakland! Sacks are the most over-rated stat in the NFL, IMO…
March 1st, 2013 at 9:10 am
You are never going to make the Palmer Cult at this rate…
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Gdog,
I know.. if Palmer takes a huge paycut and starts winning ballgames for Oakland i’ll become a fan, but I don’t see it happening. I think he’s a part of the problem – not the solution
not ALL of the problem, but certainly part of it
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
he did come out and say money isn’t an issue
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Palmer said that in regards to playing for Cincy when he “retired”.
He didn’t say that when he restructured last offseason, because he didn’t lose any money..and he certainly hasn’t said that this offseason either
the media THINKS he will agree to a paycut, but thats all just speculation right now.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 8:53 am
the way Carson handled that Cinci situation gives me serious doubts that he’ll want to take a paycut. we’ll find out soon.
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Correct me if i’m wrong, but by “retiring” at Cincy wasn’t Palmer walking away from 12+ million salary?
I’m sure he wasn’t still getting paid by them.
If Palmer doesn’t agree to much less $$$ to stay than I will gladly wish him adieu.
ESPN said Pittsburgh has 4 players who take up 100 mill. in cap space and Big Ben was expected to re-structure to free up space, but there’s a difference between re-structuring and taking an out and out cut.
Would Ben actually accept a “cut” in pay?
Palmer needs to be realistic. He is getting paid more than Aaron Rodgers.
I can see him agreeing to a cut with a proviso that they go after a stud #1 wr.
..or maybe he reads this blog and realizes how despised he is and says screw this.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
palmer is NOT THE PROBLEM
but he’s also NOT THE ANSWER
that’s my 2 cents
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
later gents – work 2 do
March 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am
Take a paycut or you will be traded or released. It’s that simple. Reggie has 5-10 players under contract with contracts that are “out of whack”. Reggie promised to gut this place. I think he’s sharpening his knife as we speak!
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Umm Reggie is also trying to save his job! Even with tarping over Mt Davis he needs to put a decent team on the field. I really don’t see many drastic changes next season. Look at how depressed and defeatist this forum is!! People like me expecting great things with CP next season are treated like the village idiots!
A “clean house” and 3 wins next season means an empty stadium and might make Reggie looking for a new job.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:16 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:04 am
Reggie is fat.
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hahahah
March 1st, 2013 at 9:16 am
I think that Carson and Reggie both have a general framework centered around a paycut and extension and both are close to a deal. If it were not the case, you would have heard rumblings around the league that Carson was available for trade. Even if there were no takers for Carson, someone would have tweeted something. It’s less than 2 weeks from free agency, and Reggie needs to clear some cap space to prepare. I don’t think he’s waiting till the last minute. He either has a deal in place right now and it’s ready to be signed or he knows for sure he is going to cut him.
But recent press releases by Reggie and DA point to comments that mention CP as the Raiders starting QB. I’m thinking we’ll get an update soon on a new deal extension for Palmer that includes the paycut everyone is hoping for.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:17 am
xraided Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
palmer is NOT THE PROBLEM
but he’s also NOT THE ANSWER
that’s my 2 cents
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Give him better protection (WARMACK WARMACK WARMAC) and a true #1 WR and THEN lets decide if he isn’t the answer.
We can then start working Pryor into the fold if he flops. It sounds like Palmer has been a great teacher. I don’t see that being tossed out for an unknown.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:26 am
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:17 am
xraided Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:13 am
palmer is NOT THE PROBLEM
but he’s also NOT THE ANSWER
that’s my 2 cents
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Give him better protection (WARMACK WARMACK WARMAC) and a true #1 WR and THEN lets decide if he isn’t the answer.
We can then start working Pryor into the fold if he flops. It sounds like Palmer has been a great teacher. I don’t see that being tossed out for an unknown.
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March 1st, 2013 at 9:26 am
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:08 am
3. Oakland Raiders: Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon
The Raiders desperately need a pass rusher after ranking near the bottom of the league in sacks last season. Jordan’s stock is at its highest after an impressive combine and he could be the answer at either defensive end or outside linebacker if necessary.
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This is the stuff that drives me crazy. Nine out of the top 13 sack producing teams missed the playoffs last year.
Atlanta made a pretty strong SB push with a whopping 4 more sacks than Oakland! Sacks are the most over-rated stat in the NFL, IMO…
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Nice catch gdog. Remember in 2009 we were 5-11 and I think we were 2nd in the league in sacks with like 48 or something. For a couple yr’s in a row we were in the top 3 I think and it didn’t help in the win column..unless we would’ve been 2-14 w/o the high sack total.
Does it come down to being able to pressure the QB consistently that really helps a D…or when u get down to it is it more being able to contain the opposition like the Ravens do?
March 1st, 2013 at 9:28 am
Guest123 Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:16 am
I think that Carson and Reggie both have a general framework centered around a paycut and extension and both are close to a deal. If it were not the case, you would have heard rumblings around the league that Carson was available for trade. Even if there were no takers for Carson, someone would have tweeted something. It’s less than 2 weeks from free agency, and Reggie needs to clear some cap space to prepare. I don’t think he’s waiting till the last minute. He either has a deal in place right now and it’s ready to be signed or he knows for sure he is going to cut him.
But recent press releases by Reggie and DA point to comments that mention CP as the Raiders starting QB. I’m thinking we’ll get an update soon on a new deal extension for Palmer that includes the paycut everyone is hoping for.
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John Clayton also said yesterday he expects Carson Palmer to be the Raiders starting QB in 2013
March 1st, 2013 at 9:30 am
who knows maybe pryor shows enough in preseason to make coaches and reg comfortable enough in him to put cp on the trading block with his more attractive restructured contract. once again the idiocy of DA not playing pryor more when we were out of it
March 1st, 2013 at 9:30 am
Gdog is absolutely correct.
I am amazed some on this blog still do not see the value of building through the draft and realizing that our lines are in need of a massive overhaul.
Forget about subpar performance.
Age and injury history alone tells you that the lines need three/four new starters NOW.
QB is the least of our problems right now.
The days of overpaying for FA and drafting skill guys in the early rounds are over.
That strategy has failed and it has killed our franchise.
We will draft Oline with our number first round pick and draft Dline with our third rounder this year.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:32 am
Gdog Says:
March 1st, 2013 at 9:14 am
Take a paycut or you will be traded or released. It’s that simple. Reggie has 5-10 players under contract with contracts that are “out of whack”. Reggie promised to gut this place. I think he’s sharpening his knife as we speak!
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Umm Reggie is also trying to save his job! Even with tarping over Mt Davis he needs to put a decent team on the field. I really don’t see many drastic changes next season. Look at how depressed and defeatist this forum is!! People like me expecting great things with CP next season are treated like the village idiots!
A “clean house” and 3 wins next season means an empty stadium and might make Reggie looking for a new job.
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From one village idiot to another I too can see a scenario where we could be good this yr. No..not a SB or anything, but back to respectability competitiveness.
I found it interesting that Cork cited a “brutal” schedule as one of the reasons he didn’t expect much from us in 2013.
If having the the 4th easiest schedule in the league is “brutal” for the Raiders than I’d hate to see what one of the toughest ones would be.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:33 am
constant whining about the wr group is nothing more than attempt to absolve palmer, its weak.
John abraham and duanta robinson released worth a sniff?
I would say robinson is a guy along with turner that may help us out
March 1st, 2013 at 9:33 am
L inook I’m not in love with Carson Palmer I Think Prior could win some games for us
Carson will take a pay cut $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
this will all look different 1 May and remember there’ll be some players picked from the fourth round back that will be pro-bowlers it happens every year let’s hope the Raiders can get a couple of those I’ve watched the Raiders pick so many times in the top 10 so I don’t have much confidence*****************
March 1st, 2013 at 9:35 am
Charlie, With all respect, how do you explain the lack of on field success Cleveland has had by devoting so much to their lines over the past 3 years? Or do you not think they did enough in that regard.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:37 am
Does it come down to being able to pressure the QB consistently that really helps a D…or when u get down to it is it more being able to contain the opposition like the Ravens do?
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I will take tight coverage and tackling over sacks any day.
Plus with how they baby the QBs now, a lot of the time when you get a sack they throw the damn flag on you anyway! I mean its fun and exciting and all… but every time we have a DC concentrating on sacks-only we seem to give up yardage by the ton.
If you watch all the top playoff teams its more about covering the receivers (not the infamous “trail technique” we always seem to teach our CBs) and TACKLING.
Sacks are just shrugged off by top QBs.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am
John abraham and duanta robinson released worth a sniff?
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Abraham, yes for right price.
Robinson, worth a look.
Turner, Just say no to old running backs.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:38 am
Mistic, Even if Palmer was cut TODAY and Pryor named undisputed starter for 2013, the first thing I would be crying out for is receiver help for him.
IMO our receiving corps is severely lacking.
Forget about Palmer…whoever our qb is needs help there…imo.
March 1st, 2013 at 9:44 am
ok johhny,
why did the wr look so good with jc at the end of 2010 and the beginning of 2011?
the wrs are solid, and you dont need a superstar
you only need servicable guys that can make a big play, and our guys have proven they can do that.
the real issue is the qb, he preferred myers over the wrs and reece
i mentioned after the 3rd or 4rth game of the year, myers was palmers number one target and that would be our undoing.
he couldnt ween himself off the tight end maybe because they were room mates, but it was to our detriment
March 1st, 2013 at 9:46 am
turner is old but he wouldnt be here to be starter, he would back up dmac and spell reece.
turner can block and is good in short yardage, and is good enough to step in if when dmac is injured.
I think he would be cheap, and form a very solid back field with reece and dmac
put him in the diamond formation behind prior and damn they would steam roll
March 1st, 2013 at 9:50 am