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Raiders live chat Wednesday at noon on Mike Holmgren rumors, off-season moves

By Jon Becker
Wednesday, February 27th, 2013 at 12:35 am in 2013 Offseason, Oakland Raiders.

Join Steve Corkran for a Raiders live chat on Wednesday at noon PST as he discusses the Mike Holmgren rumors and possible Raiders off-season moves, including free-agent news.

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  • Gdog

    Shedog…..you can never be on the level of the great RaiderRockstar and definitely dont belong in the same stratosphere of sports knowledge as Vegas Raider(JFB). How dare you go at them when they have put in major work for years on this blog. Those two guys are intelligent posters who can back up their sometimes controversial view points.

    You on the other hand whine like a little school btch upset because she got cut when trying out to be a you cheerleader. PULL YA SKIRT DOWN you bz!

    >>>

    Funny how all four of you are so firmly on the DUMP PALMER NOW bandwagon!!

    Think for yourself. Its ok. Try it.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    im sure the idea of post traumatic slave syndrome or trans-generational trauma do strike you as curious.
    =====================================================

    By way of describing Desmond Howard’s actions? Psychobabble.

  • Charlie

    Mistic

    I get the fact you like Pryor.
    So do I.

    From what I have seen he has some mechanics issues regarding his passing but he is a good athlete and appears to be working hard.

    That being said I think he is a year away from a starting role.
    He is definitely a number two NOW and could get some starts depending on Palmer’s ability to stay healthy.

    Pryor is another reason why I want to see the Oline upgraded NOW. That will help our team now and also help all of our skill guys NOW and in the future.
    A good Oline gives a learning QB the little extra time he needs to make reads and provides a margin for error that will help a young player develop.(See David Carr on what NOT to do with a young QB).

    Upgrading the Oline also helps the D by keeping them off the field and possibly making our opponents play catch up making them a bit more one dimensional.

  • poprox13

    Follow the B@uceman Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:12 am

    Cult Of Palmer Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:07 am
    Follow the B@uceman is in that special wing with RR, Vegas, and Miss Tick.
    ************************

    I agree…..we are the special wing of people who know what the fk they are talking about
    ____________________

    I dont think this means what he thinks it means…….

  • HayesDaze37

    With a guy like Michael Turner, we actually might have a chance to stay viable at RB until Mcfadden returns from his next injury…and then the tandem can carry us through the Playoffs.

    Hey, anything can happen.

  • Fart In An Elevator

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    [snip]im sure the idea of post traumatic slave syndrome or trans-generational trauma do strike you as curious.[snip]

    Mistic1, a question or two. Wouldn’t it follow then that just about any cultural/ethnic group that endured any kind of “trauma” could claim the same dysfunction? Heck, at the extreme, one might be able to claim that it goes back genetically to the first human beings (evolution-wise)?

    Honestly, I believe you detract from African-Americans suffering from genuine psychopathy when you suggest this trans-generational passage. Even if it was true, it would naturally dilute over time, wouldn’t it?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Charlie Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:15 am

    Mistic

    I get the fact you like Pryor.
    So do I.

    From what I have seen he has some mechanics issues regarding his passing but he is a good athlete and appears to be working hard.

    That being said I think he is a year away from a starting role.
    He is definitely a number two NOW and could get some starts depending on Palmer’s ability to stay healthy.

    Pryor is another reason why I want to see the Oline upgraded NOW. That will help our team now and also help all of our skill guys NOW and in the future.
    A good Oline gives a learning QB the little extra time he needs to make reads and provides a margin for error that will help a young player develop.(See David Carr on what NOT to do with a young QB).

    Upgrading the Oline also helps the D by keeping them off the field and possibly making our opponents play catch up making them a bit more one dimensional.
    ================

    warmack or a pass rusher there is good talent on both lines in this draft. draft the o line high and d line later or vice versa, i dont think you can go wrong this year with that startegy

  • HayesDaze37

    “Funny how all four of you are so firmly on the DUMP PALMER NOW bandwagon!!

    Think for yourself. Its ok. Try it.”

    ————————

    Ummm…I’m on the “Keep Palmer” wagon. That doesn’t mean I’m not thinking for meself. There are only a few sides to be on…

    People will argue about arguing.

  • Charlie

    Mistic

    I think Oline will be with our first pick and DT with our 3rd rounder.

    I think that gets us better faster and also helps the D out by being on the field less.

    I think our first pick NEXT YEAR is Dline.

    I believe this strategy is why Sparano came to Oakland.
    He was told he will have good talent to work with and not have to try to cobble together a line with retreads like we have tried to do for the last ten years.
    It is no accident Sparano follows in the steps of the “smash mouth” football style of Parcells and what you needed to do to win in the east.
    You sure are not going to do it with Barnes and Carlisle.

  • Thec

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 9:53 am
    @G123

    Higgins > Ford. It’s well documented

    JFORD = black Nick Miller

    +++++++++=

    you have officially gone off the rails.

    How many KOR’s for TD’s did higgs and nmiller.

    Put down the pipe, JFORD > higgs> nmiller.

  • DJ Johnny

    Reggie came to GB in ’94. This talk of Reggie building with rare finds and hidden gems is true in a lot of ways but Reggie cam aboard with a team that ALREADY had their HOF QB w/ Favre, as well as all pro receivers like Robert Brooks, Sterling Sharpe and Mark Chumura.

    On defense, they had the “Grave Digger” Gilbert Brown, Sean Jones, perennial pro bowler LeRoy Butler and….Reggie White.

    GB (during Reggie yr’s) got a lot out of the draft and finding decent udfa’s etc. but a few things have been constants…great receiving corps, ELITE QB… and playmakers on D. They’ve never been what anyone could rightly call a “no name defense”.

    GB has all the hidden gems they have mined but not afraid to bring in the big name FA to the mix.

    I think they have been careful with who those big names are of course.

  • Fart In An Elevator

    P-man, I don’t know why it wouldn’t accept those two names from my end. I changed the public display name each time, saved, and the name above the text entry box changed appropriately when I went back and refreshed page but none of the comments when through. I even got a duplicate message note when I tried one a second time. The display name function only allows me three names. Constantly changing usernames seems like it would be the same hassle.

  • hwnrdr

    Is today the day to start franchise tagging players? I think I heard that Raiders aren’t gonna tag anyone though!

  • PurpleDrank81

    Wow just found that the Church of England murdered 1 of my Ancestors on suspicion of Witch Craft in 1661. In 1663 they decided it was a mistake and sent Her husband and son to the United States. Thats how my family started in the states… Learn something new everyday.

    I know non related football info but I had to share

  • poprox13

    hwnrdr Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:26 am

    Is today the day to start franchise tagging players? I think I heard that Raiders aren’t gonna tag anyone though!
    _____________

    We dont have a franchise player

  • HayesDaze37

    Clarify JFord…

    JFord has the POTENTIAL to be better than Higgins and NMiller…but he needs to stay on the field, or he will be no better than the wasted time/space for Chaz Schilens.

    JFord = McFadden in many ways. Classic heart-breaking teases.

  • Thec

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 9:56 am
    Ford has missed 23 of the las 24 games.

    Can anyone think of a WR who went through that type of stretch and came back to himself?

    Lis Franc is no joke. My wife, VA Nurse manager, had a early 30’s veteran suffer from it, didn’t get it healed properly when he was in the Middle East, and ultimately they had to cut off his big toe.

    Lis doesn’t play.

    ++++++++++

    So they allow indulgence of alcoholic beverages early in the morning in your neck of the country I see.

  • Fart In An Elevator

    Not that it matters, P-man, as I don’t plan on doing much, if any, of this name changing.

  • hwnrdr

    I heard Hartline is free to walk!

  • Charlie

    DJ
    As you said; being CAREFUL is obviously critical in dealing with FA’s

    Talent x Durability x work ethic x knowledge = productivity
    When one of the variables on the left equals 0, productivity equals 0. (See Seymour and Durability).

    The rookie cap offers teams much more protection for greater value. Meaning that the salary paid is more in line with the productivity that you get. Yes, the knowledge part of the equation is low with rookies but if the other three parts are in place you can have a long, productive career.

    Free agents are usually free for a reason. Either their salary demands are not consistent with their body of past work or there is a low evaluation of one of the variables on the left side of the above equation by the present employer.

    A guy like Gannon was a good pick up because the Chiefs had a surplus that year at QB and made the wrong choice keeping Grbac. Gannon also had not played much so his durability was good even at a relatively advanced age. Those situations are rare!
    Romo. Rice and Woodson also worked out well for a VERY SHORT TIME FRAME.
    You can only afford to build your core through the draft. You can pick up some niche pieces in the FA market but it needs to be done carefully and sparingly.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Fart In An Elevator Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:17 am

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:05 am

    [snip]im sure the idea of post traumatic slave syndrome or trans-generational trauma do strike you as curious.[snip]

    Mistic1, a question or two. Wouldn’t it follow then that just about any cultural/ethnic group that endured any kind of “trauma” could claim the same dysfunction?

    I believe you detract from African-Americans suffering from genuine psychopathy when you suggest this trans-generational passage. Even if it was true, it would naturally dilute over time, wouldn’t it?
    =============

    One by one.

    1. Not any one can claim it because not everyone experienced 430 plus years of slavery, then jim crow.

    However many groups have experienced things that are along similar lines, like children born to Vietnam or world war vets. Children of native American holocaust and so on.

    However the 500 years we have suffered here is unique and stands alone.

    2. I did not invent these terms, they are from black psychologist and mental health experts both of the past and currently working to this day. This is their term and i dont believe they are detracting fro any thing. they are helping our cause saving lives and healing. You may have never heard of them but that is par for the course here. You will know all about niki minaj as they are highly promoted and made public figures but not our actual living heroes.

    3. No it does not “dilute over time’ in fact it compounds and multiplies just as it was predicted by the willie lynch papers.

    When trauma goes untreated the parent passes it down to the children. Just as is observed by molestation victims who eventually become molesters themselves.

    Or when a child witnesses the abuse of her parent and is also abused, then selects an abusive mate, or abuses her own children.

    scary stuff but quite real.

    This is one of the main reasons violence and killing is so high amongst my people and we are disproportional imprisoned.

    4. lastly and as politely as i can i will tell you that your opinion on the validity of the mental conditions our esteemed medical experts have documented and treated, really mean nothing to me and should not be counted. we will and must solve our own condition, no one else ever has nor will they in the future.

  • Thec

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:29 am
    Clarify JFord…

    JFord has the POTENTIAL to be better than Higgins and NMiller…but he needs to stay on the field, or he will be no better than the wasted time/space for Chaz Schilens.

    JFord = McFadden in many ways. Classic heart-breaking teases.

    ++++++==

    Thats pretty obvious if he is on the field he is a play-maker.

    Was Schilens EVER going to be a feature in this offense????
    The teams has a lot of design written around the play of ” black nick miller” which is ridiculous to even mention the 2 in the same sentence.

    Which one of these 2 is he NOT better than?

  • guest123

    Is today the day to start franchise tagging players? I think I heard that Raiders aren’t gonna tag anyone though!

    ********

    Nope, a number of players have already been franchised. Today is the deadline to tag a player.

  • Thec

    warmack or a pass rusher there is good talent on both lines in this draft. draft the o line high and d line later or vice versa, i dont think you can go wrong this year with that startegy

    +++++++++++

    Word for the 2013 NFL Draft………TRENCHMEN

  • guest123

    hwnrdr Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    I heard Hartline is free to walk!

    ***********

    I don’t think he’s very talented. He’s like our version of Brandon Myers only split wide. Tannyhill the Dolphins QB would vapor lock to his left for lack of ability to go thru progressions. His 2012 numbers are a mirage.

  • hwnrdr

    So what about John Abraham? Or Dunta Robinson?

  • guest123

    Word for the 2013 NFL Draft………TRENCHMEN

    *******

    nope, DIVERSITY

  • Fart In An Elevator

    PurpleDrank81 Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Wow just found that the Church of England murdered 1 of my Ancestors on suspicion of Witch Craft in 1661.
    =================================
    PD, wow, that is weird!

    My great-…grandfather was wanted by the Crown for high treason. His Royal Majesty was quite annoyed to learn he had added his name to a document which contained the words …”When in the Course of human events….”

  • NGRaiderfan

    Cowboys just cut their starting safety gerald sensabaugh. i think he is worth a look especially if we intend to keep huff at CB. he’s a solid nfl starter.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    People will argue about arguing.
    =====================================================

    Will not!

  • raiderfankirk

    Report: Hartline, Dolphins think they can get deal done

    Posted by Josh Alper on March 4, 2013, 1:14 PM EST

    AP
    With defensive tackle Randy Starks getting the franchise tag from the Dolphins on Monday, the team’s other free agents took another step toward hitting the open market next week.

    While the outlook for retaining cornerback Sean Smith and tackle Jake Long doesn’t look great, things are a bit more promising on the wide receiver Brian Hartline front. Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald reports that both the Dolphins and Hartline believe they can reach agreement on a new contract before the start of free agency.

    As of now, the sides still haven’t found a number that makes them both smile. Hartline is thought to be asking for something in the neighborhood of $6 million per season, which can’t be dramatically different from what the Dolphins are willing to pay if there’s still a thought that an agreement can be forged in the next eight days.

    As for Long and Smith, both players are now expected to hit the open market with any return to Miami coming if they’re unable to find offers to their liking. Running back Reggie Bush falls into the same camp, but it doesn’t really seem like the Dolphins have all that much interest in continuing their relationship with Bush.

  • HayesDaze37

    Schilens has better hands than JFord.

    JFord is far more electric than most Players on any Team…but it doesn’t make him a better Player. JFord needs work on routes and timing, and pass-catching fundamentals (unless he cured his ills through osmosis while laid-up).

    Counting on JFord to be more than a journeyman at this point would be folly. Hope for it, but don’t expect it. Same as with DMC.

  • Thec

    Guest123 Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:40 am
    Word for the 2013 NFL Draft………TRENCHMEN

    *******

    nope, DIVERSITY

    ++++++++=

    Sounds like a political term…However;

    FIX THE TRENCH ASAP

  • raiderfankirk

    hwnrdr Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:39 am
    So what about John Abraham? Or Dunta Robinson?

    ————————————

    Pretty sure that Abraham will resign with Atlanta. Dude is still wearing his Falcon gear with nothing but good things to say about them.

  • raiderfankirk

    Meyers will be on NFLN in the morning.

  • guest123

    For JFord’s salary, if he can stay healthy, there’s no way he doesn’t outperform his contract. He has some sick open field skills and can reel in the spectacular catch from time to time. No one should expect journeyman stats. He’s a rotational 4th WR at best and starting KO returner. He plays for chump change. That’s the main thing I see with Ford why I am willing to give him a chance. Even if he busts, what does he really cost the Raiders?

  • R8ER MIKE

    hwnrdr Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:32 am
    I heard Hartline is free to walk!

    *********************************
    would love to see us pick up Kruger. dont think after paying Flacco
    they will have enough cap room for him.

  • Thec

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Schilens has better hands than JFord.

    JFord is far more electric than most Players on any Team…but it doesn’t make him a better Player. JFord needs work on routes and timing, and pass-catching fundamentals (unless he cured his ills through osmosis while laid-up).

    Counting on JFord to be more than a journeyman at this point would be folly. Hope for it, but don’t expect it. Same as with DMC.

    +++++++++=

    Schilens has better hands than JFord.IMO this is questionable however, i do have a built in bias.

    “Timing has to do with the chemistry between the QB and WR, not just the WR.

    Pass catching fundamentals…That is really a reach as he made some of the most “spectacular catches” in Raider lore.

    I believe the “Org” will be “counting on him” and plan to use him more than shaz, nmiller, and higgs combined.

  • Charlie

    Thec AGREED on lineman; this year with our first and third rounders and next year with our first and second.

    Guest.
    We will diversify with DB’s, LB’s and RB with later round picks.

    Way too many line holes to think any differently.

    Age and injury history alone tell you that Carlisle, Barnes and Kelly are gone or almost gone. Seymour is done. Cater is 34. Shaugnessy has never rebounded from his injuries.
    Bryant, Bilikidi,Bergstrom are question marks.
    Brisiel needs to rebound form injury.

    We have three NFL starting lineman on the roster as of today.
    (Veld, Wiz and Houston). VERY BAD SITUATION AND WE ARE NOT GOING THE FA route any longer on the lines.

    That means high picks this year and next.
    No other options.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist

    PurpleDrank81 Says:
    Wow just found that the Church of England murdered 1 of my Ancestors on suspicion of Witch Craft in 1661. In 1663 they decided it was a mistake and sent Her husband and son to the United States. Thats how my family started in the states… Learn something new everyday.
    ========================================================

    Suffer from “Post Traumatic Inquisition Syndrome”?

  • Thec

    Counting on JFord to be more than a journeyman at this point would be folly.

    ++++++++

    so based on the above comment, we should run him?

    Wonder if this thinking is just opinion, or views from the org?

  • poprox13

    @3040

    LMAO

  • Thec

    Shaugnessy has never rebounded from his injuries.

    +++++++++=

    Very astute point… I expect him to have a breakout season…Do not sleep on him.

  • Thec

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    March 4th, 2013 at 11:42 am
    Schilens has better hands than JFord.

    +++++++++

    shaz even with his WR coach lal for the jest, and a healhty season could not impact the jest…Put JFORD in that position, and he FAAARRRR outshines and perforns shaz.

  • guest123

    Barkely’s rising up the draft boards, and that’s not a good thing for Reggie trying to drive up perception that he’s interested in Geno. We need a clear separation in QB tiers to make Geno more valuable. I hope it’s just a shell game Reggie is running talking about Geno. He can’t be seriously interested. Can he?

  • HayesDaze37

    The #3 pick is now worth more than a week ago. It will likely be worth more a week from now.

    It will be possible to trade-down a few picks and pick-up a 2nd-rounder (and more).

    1st-round = Pick Star Lotulelei (if heart OK) or Floyd early…or trade-down (still get Star a few picks later?). Then take best athlete at Team need, wherever the picks fall.

  • guest123

    shaz even with his WR coach lal for the jest, and a healhty season could not impact the jest…Put JFORD in that position, and he FAAARRRR outshines and perforns shaz.

    **********

    a very good point. Chaz was one of a lineage of Raider wideouts that were considered special talents. All that hype is self-generated and repeated in this blog ad naseum. We always have a next “stud” WR. Every freaking year it seems.

    It’s time to wake up from the dream. We don’t just get lucky and grab treasure in the late rounds each year. They only shine because they are playing against the worst DB’s in the league in OTA’s.

    Truth is we have the least talented WR group in the NFL. I don’t think there is a single group with lesser talent. If there is, name it.

  • PurpleDrank81

    Just doing a little Geneaolgy. trying to figure out where my White Devil ancestors come from lol

  • HayesDaze37

    I never said I want JFord gone. I want success for the Raiders, and for him.

    But…if JFord can’t stay healthy this year (and productive), then he should be let go without thinking twice.

  • Thec

    We have three NFL starting lineman on the roster as of today.
    (Veld, Wiz and Houston). VERY BAD SITUATION AND WE ARE NOT GOING THE FA route any longer on the lines.

    ++++++++++

    2013 is a great Draft year for TRENCHMEN…