Brisiel’s contract restructured
By Steve Corkran
Monday, March 4th, 2013 at 2:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders are approximately $1.5 million under the salary cap as of now. They got there, in large part, because right guard Mike Brisiel agreed to a restructured contract.
Brisiel’s base salary for 2013 dropped from $4.35 million to $1.35 million as part of the new deal. Brisiel signed with the Raiders last offseason.
He is slated to earn $3.85 million in base salary in 2014, ‘15 and ‘16. There’s still work to do for general manager Reggie McKenzie between now and the start of free agency, which begins Mar. 12.
However, getting Brisiel on board with a cap-friendly deal for 2013 is a nice start. Now McKenzie can go after other sizable contracts such as those of quarterback Carson Palmer, wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly in an attempt to free up more cap room.
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March 4th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
Looks like RM is going to try to keep people and not just cut them. Bad news for all the start TP now people and Bey haters.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor
#MyWordsRT @alliseeisstates: @TerrellePryor “I don’t want anything given to me, i want to work for everything and i want to earn it..”
March 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Damn. I wouldn’t have paid Briesel schit
March 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Raiders should have signed D Goldson..if only he was a FA last year not tagged
and
Sean Smith CB and Glenn DOrsey should be Raiders
and I dont care who the queefs signed.
Raiders smashed them 2x last year and the Raiders were kinda bad
March 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
The Raiders are approximately $1.5 million under the salary cap as of now. They got there, in large part, because right guard Mike Brisiel agreed to a restructured contract.
Brisiel’s base salary for 2013 dropped from $4.35 million to $1.35 million as part of the new deal. Brisiel signed with the Raiders last offseason.
He is slated to earn $3.85 million in base salary in 2014, ‘15 and ‘16.
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I wonder what huge bonus check Mark Davis had to write in this restructure?
How much $$$ is now guaranteed?
I like the term “PAY CUT” better than “restructure” ..
March 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Well, at least they’re doing SOMETHING……
March 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
does reggie have the GUT to cut people?
March 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Brisiel did the right thing. Now he needs to earn his keep in 2013! We shall see how fair of a person Carson Palmer is now. $10 Mil is the most he should be offered.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Everyone let me know if you want a guy like this on your football team?
http://youtu.be/ixGedaeYz-I
March 4th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Sean Smith CB and Glenn DOrsey should be Raiders
and I dont care who the queefs signed.
Raiders smashed them 2x last year and the Raiders were kinda bad
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im into this dorsey was very good in college and a natural for the 4-3
March 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Briesel sucks but Shreg was never going to let his “big” FA signing of last year leave. Still overpaid, especially in a power scheme.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
I am sorry not being negative i would cut who i can, but this is not charlie finley, reggie needs to put up the front that we will be competitive, trust me he would cut all he could
March 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
zbs guy for a power scheme? Guess we can cut him next year, 1.35 isn’t much
March 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
Pryor starts
Mark it down, unless coach is delusional and says we will compete and says palmer gives us best chance
I also remember a mediocre LB a few years back when kiffin was coach and said that we would be dynamic
I am tired of the bs, i can accept this year being a pass
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I too am tired of this bs, I cannot accept this year being a pass.
Palmer starts.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
We need a new Right Tackle, that is for darn sure!!!
March 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
“Now McKenzie can go after other sizable contracts such as those of quarterback Carson Palmer, wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly in an attempt to free up more cap room.”
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How about another quick post?
Any progress on these or any talks with Wheeler or other key Raider FAs?
I bet a lot of that money was shifted to non garunteed money in the next three years and there was a pay reduction element to it. I can’t imagine they would go status quo.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:29 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 1:11 pm
M1>no they would not need to face the exact same condition yet learned behaviors and coping mechanisms are taught to the next generation and are thereby inherited.
F>Isn’t this backwards? (Not trying to nitpick.) If they are learned behaviors and mechanisms, can they not be unlearned or reframed?
SNIP
M1>…. ni**as.
They in turn called our youth this name and we have kept it alive to this day.
F>I’m a little lost here. If the affliction is hereditary and thereby unintentional, why intentionally keep an affliction like this “alive”? Please clue me in.
M1>However a person that [snip] wears his pants below the waste should also consider seeking help.
As they [those people wearing their pants below the waist] may be undiagnosed, but all the while suffering form mental illness.
F> Mystic1, I;m more than a tad confused here. How would the Black psychologists you’re referring to differentiate in the diagnosis between a fashion style (or fad) and a mental disorder? And I ask this concerning Black therapists diagnosing Black clients (and not diagnosing non-Black clients who wear their pants the same way).
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i answered all of your questions in the last thread in number 67, i dont want to repost it
great questions though, if you agree or disagree i found the dialogue constructive
lol
even if it was with a cross poster
March 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Dorsey sucks, was inactive many games too slow and out of shape
March 4th, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Jeebus Cork!, some of us are trying to have a conversation in here. Hard with all these interruptions.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
Purvis i hear you heck i remember when the mad stork created havoc on D years ago, but the reality is we stink and we need to let pryor play and see what he can do, you really think palmer will win more than 6 games?
March 4th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
#19 Never complain that Steve is posting to much – never. LOL
March 4th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Time for the Raiders to saacck up.. and make stuff happen
March 4th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
Tired of the Raiders being no good, tired of 8-8 average and being the national joke.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Mistic do agree that 2013 is a wash? If yes then palmer is irrelevant, in my mind reggie is churning inside with this roster and wants to clear it out and wants pryor starting
March 4th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
8-8 average. Try 5-11 average the last 10 years!
March 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
so does this mean no warmack?
March 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Raiders should have signed D Goldson..if only he was a FA last year not tagged
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Actually 2 years ago,he was a FA and AD didnt offer him enough money for the contract. So he went back to SF. Had AD coughed up the money for him, we wouldnt have to over pay an unproven Branch. I’d take Goldson over Branch any day.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
And D Goldson was fanchise tagged last year btw.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:33 pm
Dorsey sucks, was inactive many games too slow and out of shape
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i think dorsey was miscast in the 3-4, and this may have affected his performance preparation.
he like many young men may have also lacked maturity, and was drafted into a team that was struggling and lacked leadership.
as we have seen with guys here, sometimes a change of scenery could spark something for him.
i see him as a very low risk low cost investment that can provide depth at worst. If he becomes more than that or can some how resemble the guy he was when drafted it would be a huge bonus.
minimal risk huge upside, provides depth at a thin position
March 4th, 2013 at 2:40 pm
Denise will not be getting a pass this year. Neither will shreg, he told Mike Haynes we would compete for the playoffs last year
March 4th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
Hey Nation i hate that we suck, year after year. Reality is we need major renovations so trust me reggie is not bringing in Avril, jennings, wallace, or any high priced guy. Next year yes.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
hey Jesus new post.
Okay thanks FVCKERS I appreciate it.
No problem Jim its cool.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:41 pm
IHOP is kinda like the Raiders, almost everything is over priced and not very satisfying.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Elraidmanhatten
There is no way RM is clearing out to make sure TP starts. He like most of us hopes he beats Palmer out in camp this year after rapid improvement over the summer and camps. However, he wants competition in every postion and he wants to put the best player in there and the coaches want to position that player with plays that will help him succeed.
After seeing him in HS and College it is not unfeasible that he could be better than Kap or Cam or even RGIII. He has that kind of potential BUT and this is a big BUTT – he needs to slow down plant his feet and throw the ball with authority and accurately. No more lollypops!!!
March 4th, 2013 at 2:42 pm
Mistic yes if low priced sure needing to prove himself do it, heck he needs to, at LSU he was a monster, otherwise pass
March 4th, 2013 at 2:43 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
Raiders should have signed D Goldson..if only he was a FA last year not tagged
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Actually 2 years ago,he was a FA and AD didnt offer him enough money for the contract. So he went back to SF. Had AD coughed up the money for him, we wouldnt have to over pay an unproven Branch. I’d take Goldson over Branch any day
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Not saying Goldson is a great safety, but it is crazy how having that much talent on D makes all the players look pretty good. See Davis’s signing of Gibril Wilson…looked great surronded by pro bowlers.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:46 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Mistic do agree that 2013 is a wash? If yes then palmer is irrelevant, in my mind reggie is churning inside with this roster and wants to clear it out and wants pryor starting
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i think it is worse than a wash, i think it was almost a complete waste.
poor plan, hiring knapp and burying pryor and developmental players on the bench even after being eliminated from the playoffs.
the only saving grace is the fact that it was discovered beyond the shadow doubt a few absolutes.
that palmer is not the answer.
seymoure is finished
huff and branch are not good safety
dmac goes downhill
pryor is the most talented qb in silver and black
pryor is a leader on the level of gannon hostetler jc
March 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
RE: AussieRaiderRosco
Yes there will be a cap hit to cut DHB. I don’t what it is off-hand but it is less than the $10-11mill he is slated to cost us in 2013.
I like him he’s a good 3WR but he not worth anywhere near $10-11mill in ANY sport…
March 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dorsey bryant and houston?
yep
March 4th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Autumn agreed, but here is the stark reality we screwed up last year by keeping him inactive, and privately i am sure reggie wants him to pan out, and damn the guy works his butt off and says all the right things i can say it here right now he will more than pan out and while taking lumps he is what we need, wants to be a raider and take control. In my real world he wins out and proves all pundits wrong
March 4th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
inonewordraider Says:
does reggie have the GUT to cut people?
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We were drinking the Routtgut last year.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Mistic we are on the same wavelength about the facts, and please tell me the last time a player came out and unabashedly spoke from the heart like Pryor, yes when George atkinson was in the secondary!
March 4th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
So from my view geno is smoke period the end.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Miss Tick, you got all that from the 2013 season? Damn you’re good. And prescient too.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
CAM NEWTON 13-19 ENUFF SAID!!!
March 4th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
IF PALMER IS NOT THE ANSWER then explain who the answer is?
March 4th, 2013 at 2:54 pm
Purvis Reggie wants to cut, but for the facade can’t
March 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
AND PLEASE EXPLAIN THE QUESTION so we can def look for the right answer at the Position
March 4th, 2013 at 2:55 pm
Shatup about Cam Newton. No one cares about Kim…
March 4th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Palmer extensively was retired, and is a good guy, but not a winner, and to clarify essentially done after von olhofen did him in a few years back in the playoffs.
March 4th, 2013 at 2:57 pm
Yeah nobody cares about Kim KardasNEWTON
March 4th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
#19 Never complain that Steve is posting to much – never. LOL
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He never reads any of this stuff unless Kookie rats somebody out. And if he did, it’s obvious he’s deaf to our complaints.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Right now Reggie wants Pryor to start, Allen knowing his ass is on the line doesn’t completely delusional and thinks mr. USC will lead us to the playoffs job is on the line.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
P-man, I have two important questions for ya, do you remember who brought up the phrase “fart in an elevator” in this blog recently? Don’t look it up. Just if you happen to remember…
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No. And that’s only one question.
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Thanks. Oh yeah, right….the second question…..
How’s the market for llama sh*t these days?!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Rockstar you know that you can’t call it a “pay cut.” It’s because you cannot cut their pay. There is a legal binding contract and it cannot be simply torn up.
You can restructure to move what year the money counts towards the salary cap. This is done by changing salary money to bonu$ to spread between life of contract and not hit in current year. This is what Briesel did.
You can change the guaranteed amounts as well. That means a player gets bonus $ instead of salary in future years because player KNOWS or is told he will be cut. See Richard Seymour and Carson Palmer for this type of restructure.
All it does is impact the future outlays towards the cap. Buys some time but eventually it catches up if the players suck. See Al Davis 1996-2011.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 1:58 pm
Attn: DJG
you gotta link for comment #3106 on the last thread?
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I was just having fun.
Maybe I should do more of that. When I do, something happens.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ANY sport…
39.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dorsey bryant and houston?
yep
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3-4 and Bryant is the NT?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Alright, Mistic, I’ll let it go.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Last year was so disheartening because the illusion was that we would compete, we had the warning signs in camp when Wiz quit, we signed 2 loser cb’s and a non leader in Seymour handing out turkeys.the one thing that kills me is reggie succumbed to the OC and zbs, why? And Allen was thinking he was knute rockne
March 4th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
Miss Tick, you got all that from the 2013 season? Damn you’re good. And prescient too.
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lol its a gift
sorry truth hurts
March 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
How’s the market for llama sh*t these days?!
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Actually quite popular. Not enough to cover what we pay to have it picked up, but offsets it some. Maybe 70-80 percent. Parasite control more important. Kinda like here. Hah!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Hey DJ do you agree with me that this year is purely development and gearing for 2014
March 4th, 2013 at 3:09 pm
veldheer,warmack, wiz, brisiel n bergs…next yrs starting ol…warmack is a beast of a baller…cant pass on him
or i’d settle for
veldheer, brisiel, wiz, bergs in fisher/joeckel
could also select a center in later rounds and move wiz back to guard
either way we gots options to create best ol in football n build from the trenches
March 4th, 2013 at 3:10 pm
They have all been disheartening elraidmanhattan.
Since Marc Bloody Wilson!
But if your still here, you are tough. You will make it to 2014 because the Nation will triumph and you want to be there when it does!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Should i post Jason Campbell’s QB ratings from last year?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
We won’t pick warmack, i wouldn’t have an issue if we did, we are going defense:
Jordan
Jones
Floyd
Milliner
Would be happy with any of them
March 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
i wanted the raiders to draft dorsey but he’s a bust. Dmac ran all over his a$$$ in the sec.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ANY sport…
39.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dorsey bryant and houston?
yep
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3-4 and Bryant is the NT?
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no tackle rotation n a 4-3
March 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Should i post Jason Campbell’s QB ratings from last year?
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too funny
March 4th, 2013 at 3:14 pm
Jlofty i will never leave the nation, heck how many times can i watch a football life Al Davis, love this team, ask my ex-wife she will verify it. I really think Reggie can get us where we need to be.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
Hey DJ do you agree with me that this year is purely development and gearing for 2014
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Me, me, me elraid, me, over here, ask me!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
with cp’s cap hit he is sure to stay, having a great ol can only help us if he is under center, we didnt score much last year so i think oline is top priority. also, chiefs and denver have great dlines so how do you counter that? best oline in football…just my opinion
March 4th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Should i post Jason Campbell’s QB ratings from last year?
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too funny
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thank you, some one gets it
March 4th, 2013 at 3:15 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:12 pm
Should i post Jason Campbell’s QB ratings from last year?
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Go ahead dumbass. Then I’ll post 12-7 vs 8-16.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
Exactly Dorsey has been a huge bust, but at veteran minimum bring him in
March 4th, 2013 at 3:16 pm
55.JLofty Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Rockstar you know that you can’t call it a “pay cut.” It’s because you cannot cut their pay. There is a legal binding contract and it cannot be simply torn up.
You can restructure to move what year the money counts towards the salary cap. This is done by changing salary money to bonu$ to spread between life of contract and not hit in current year. This is what Briesel did.
You can change the guaranteed amounts as well. That means a player gets bonus $ instead of salary in future years because player KNOWS or is told he will be cut. See Richard Seymour and Carson Palmer for this type of restructure.
All it does is impact the future outlays towards the cap. Buys some time but eventually it catches up if the players suck. See Al Davis 1996-2011.
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so what did the eagles do with michael vick’s contract then?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Ok Purvis tell me do you agree and realize 2013 wash, 2014 compete
March 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
if we needa RT, shouldn’t we, nstead of drafting LT at #3, trade back a cpl times into the 20’s, get another couple late 1st and/or 2nd round pick,possibly 2 2nd rounders, mayber even a 3rd or 4th, and draft DJ Fluker out of Bama. He’s the best RT in the draft. switching from RT after u have player LT your whole life isn’t as easy as one would believe. footwork is completely opposite, viewpoints are differnet. its jst different. plus we would get more picks.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
68.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
ANY sport…
39.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:47 pm
dorsey bryant and houston?
yep
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3-4 and Bryant is the NT?
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no tackle rotation n a 4-3
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I get it, I was confused b/c if we went 3-4 and drafted Star for NT, many wanted Houston and Bryant at DT and DE…
March 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Just because a guy washes out in his first team doesnt mean he cant redeem himself in another place.
as long as guy is not an old washout he may be worth a shot.
tyrone wheatley for example. Considered a bust in ny, was more than serviceable here
dorsey would be on my list, and a pass rusher in the draft
March 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Restructuring Brisiel doesn’t mean RM won’t draft OL with the 3rd pick but you can count Veldeheer Wiz Briseiel and Bergstrom to start with 1 spot left.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Jason Campbell turned it over every 22 drop backs in 10
Carson Palmer turned it over every 30 drop backs in 12
March 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
JLofty Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:02 pm
you know that you can’t call it a “pay cut.”
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Thanks, Most Lofty One!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Dorsey is a huge question mark, heck crennel is a defensive guy and he couldn’t play him, why?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Jason Campbell 84 rating with running game working, and check downs
Carson Palmer 85 rating with no running game, and receivers getting exposed
March 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Enough with palmer, damn look at the future already, seriously
March 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Because he was another busy from the quiefs…..
March 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:25 pm
Jason Campbell 84 rating with running game working, and check downs
Carson Palmer 85 rating with no running game, and receivers getting exposed
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JC is a fcking bumb
March 4th, 2013 at 3:26 pm
bum*
March 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Bust*
March 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:08 pm
Fart In An Elevator Says:
How’s the market for llama sh*t these days?!
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Actually quite popular. Not enough to cover what we pay to have it picked up, but offsets it some. Maybe 70-80 percent. Parasite control more important. Kinda like here. Hah!
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You hafta admire a man whose know his llama sh*t! Hmmm, Llama Fart In An Elevator. Nah. Wouldn’t have any idea how bad that experience would be. *shivers*
March 4th, 2013 at 3:28 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:24 pm
Dorsey is a huge question mark, heck crennel is a defensive guy and he couldn’t play him, why?
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i agree, however i never thought he would be good in a 3-4
he reminds me of grady jackson, a d tackle that makes his living penetrating the backfield.
Not the kind of guy that clogs the line for line backers
March 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Well been waiting on Big Reg to do something. And unfortunately Im not super excited about this. Didnt we bring him in to run the zone block? Not sure he’ll be great in the power scheme. I for one would love to TRADE back pick up Warmack and grab another guard ie. Bryan Winters,Kyle Long in the latter rounds. We’d have a GOOD young line for years to come> And with the second round pick an additional picks we could pick up we can address our D Line! Gotta build the lines and if we could have Veldheer,Wiz2,Warmack,Long and lets say Loadholt in FA O line would be set. Im for drafting a CB later on but we should go after DRC an experienced CB In FA. I know its really not a draft post just ready to talk the draft!! What do you guys think???
March 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Carson Palmers careet rating is 86 with tendency to force throws in tight windows and slinging mentality
Jason Campbells 82 with checkdowns and deer in headlight look
March 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Wow guys you need to get real and see that this team going forward is not about palmer, and palmer being better than JC, get those glasses off
March 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
JLofty………Please don’t post anything unless you know what you’re talking about.
Darrius Heyward Bey $5,341,000 in CAP SAVINGS by cutting him outright for 2013
March 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Mistic, yes dorsey more athletic not an adams or washington. Do you think he can be effective with Lamar?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Bust*
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Bust?! Where?! We need busts in here. More busts!!
>*>*
March 4th, 2013 at 3:31 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Wow guys you need to get real and see that this team going forward is not about palmer, and palmer being better than JC, get those glasses off
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Take your 3D glasses off and come into the real world
March 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Palmer should agree to the same contract Vick got,let Pryor get second team reps not third and let it fall into place
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
so what did the eagles do with michael vick’s contract then?
Good question, I was trying to figure that out myself.
Speculation: I think Vick only had one year left on the deal. So that gives them a few options. Add a year+ spread the $$, etc.
It only works if the player buys in and/or has few better options.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
I am, this team is not about palmer being better than JC, not being facetious it is that it is much deeper than qb
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Palmer will restructure, he’s a good guy, this is the guy who was willing to sacrifice double digit M’s pay instead of playing for Bengals, so he would restructure, the guy already said he has enough money, and just wants to play for a team that cares
March 4th, 2013 at 3:34 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
I am, this team is not about palmer being better than JC, not being facetious it is that it is much deeper than qb
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I’m glad you understand game of football, unlike your new friend *cough*COugh* tick tock* COugh * cough*
March 4th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
So it sounds as though Briesel took a PAY CUT for the 2013 Season.
No cap Hijinks, but a straight pay cut.
That is what has been twitted.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:35 pm
I’m going to drink kool-aid and predict 9-10 win season, f8ck the haters
March 4th, 2013 at 3:36 pm
Citizen, maybe don’t post stuff out your backside unless you know how to READ.
I said I didn’t know what the cap savings was/is for DHB but it’s LESS than what he is currently supposed to make moron.
After you learn how to read try tackling math too. Then maybe you can work way up to accounting…
March 4th, 2013 at 3:37 pm
Totally at a loss here, not trying to cause a commotion just trying to breath in some reality, love this team and want us to be what were use to be….
March 4th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Hey McFadden I do and will never speak crap to get a reaction just facts and truths
March 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Palmer will restructure, he’s a good guy, this is the guy who was willing to sacrifice double digit M’s pay instead of playing for Bengals, so he would restructure, the guy already said he has enough money, and just wants to play for a team that cares
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He’s a check casher, fine with losing.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
KK loves to pull stats out without really understanding them or how they were derived. He once pulled out Stanford Routt comp % on passes his way and touted him as equal to Darrell Revis. Still laughing at that one to this day.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
Well, I got stuff to do, gents. I have an appt. in an elevator. Mebbe it’ll be an elevator near you! Heck, I meet everyone sooner or later. Ya just can’t avoid me!
:-O
March 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
He’s a check casher, fine with losing.
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“Retiring” in Cincinnati would suggest other wise.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
Palmer will restructure, he’s a good guy, this is the guy who was willing to sacrifice double digit M’s pay instead of playing for Bengals, so he would restructure, the guy already said he has enough money, and just wants to play for a team that cares
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He’s a check casher, fine with losing.
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ask me if i care
March 4th, 2013 at 3:41 pm
er…
March 4th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
aig-raiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
KK loves to pull stats out without really understanding them or how they were derived. He once pulled out Stanford Routt comp % on passes his way and touted him as equal to Darrell Revis. Still laughing at that one to this day.
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That’s why he gets laughed at 24/7
March 4th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Kool kell best comment you ever posted,
March 4th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:39 pm
KK loves to pull stats out without really understanding them or how they were derived. He once pulled out Stanford Routt comp % on passes his way and touted him as equal to Darrell Revis. Still laughing at that one to this day.
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You’re a damned liar.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
I posted this on Facebook last month..
OFF SEASON POWER MOVES
1.Carson Palmer $13,000,000 > > Restructure or trade to Arizona,Buffalo or Cleveland in draft for sec rd pick & 2 third rd’s, or cut 2.Heyward-Bey $7,721,000 > Restructure or Cut
3.Richard Seymour $7,500,000 > Gone
4.Tommy Kelly $6,500,000 > Trade in draft for (3rd) & (5th)
5.Tyvon Branch $6,000,000 >
Branch > Restructure or trade to Cowboys, Packers or Ravens for draft picks (2nd) & two (4th)
6.Darren Mcfadden $5,856,250 > Restructure (In need of FA Top Lineman) 7.Mike Brisiel $4,350,000 > Restructure or Cut(Simple new scheme new player) 8.Rolando McClain $4,005,000 > Trade for whatever you can in the draft or Cut.
9.Michael Huff $4,000,000 >Restructure or trade for any draft value
10.Tollefson $900,000 > CUT
11.Grab a Top OL FA
12. Defense , defense Defense & Long in this years Draft
13. ReSign Wheeler, Barnes & Bryant
THESE POWER MOVES SHOULD HELP REGGIE KEEP HIS JOB FOR YEARS TO COME PLUS WITH THIS COMING UP REBUILDING SEASON SHOULD HELP START BUILDING A IDENTITY FOR THIS TEAM AND PUT THIS TEAM AT LEAST 50+MIL UNDER THE CAP FOR 2014..
GO RAIDERSSSS!!!!!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:43 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:42 pm
Kool kell best comment you ever posted,
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Ouch
I think Kell has done better than that.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
The years our corners looked good was the same time we were actually getting to the opposing teams qbs…..any average corner in the league looks like a shutdown when the dline is stout
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
He’s a check casher, fine with losing.
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ask me if i care
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Why would I ask a dumbass anything????
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Raiders should def resign D Bryant, should come little cheaper since the run in with the law, wouldn’t mind if they draft that MLB from Georgia in 1st round or a pass rusher after a trade back between 8-13 slot
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Palmer if cut will retire, mark it down.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
He’s a check casher, fine with losing.
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ask me if i care
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Why would I ask a dumbass anything????
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Yeah yet you cling to every one of my words, but call me a dumbass, now who is the dumbass?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
101.JLofty Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:33 pm
NGRaiderfan Says:
so what did the eagles do with michael vick’s contract then?
Good question, I was trying to figure that out myself.
Speculation: I think Vick only had one year left on the deal. So that gives them a few options. Add a year+ spread the $$, etc.
It only works if the player buys in and/or has few better options.
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Actually he signed a 6 yr, $100 mil contract in 2011 so he was supposed to have 4 more years left on his contract, with 16 mil cap hit this yr. and it was replaced by a 1 year contract where he can earn a max of 10 mil.
“Vick will take a big pay cut from his previous $15.5 million salary. NFL.com’s Ian Rapoport reported Vick can earn “up to” $10 million. NFL.com’s Albert Breer said Vick’s contract is a three-year deal that voids to one year on March 15, so it’s essentially a one-year deal, making Vick eligible for unrestricted free agency in 2014.
Breer reported Monday night, via a source who’s seen the terms of Vick’s contract, that Vick will receive a $3.5 million signing bonus; $3.5 million in base salary; $500,000 in roster bonuses; $1.5 million if he plays 90 percent of the Eagles’ snaps and $1 million if the Eagles win the Super Bowl and he plays.”
nfl.com
if a player is willing, they can take a pay cut. it’s on the player. essentially Mike Vick ripped up his previous contract for a completely new one where he took a pay cut. a big one.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
What the F is a power move?
Is that on a Tony Robbins dvd somewhere?
I like most of your take however. lol
All pretty obvious however.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
Cornerbacks look good when QBs throw to receivers under pressure and don’t get their feet set n etc etc
March 4th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
I gotta admire M VICK though, did he reconstruct his 100+ M contract?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
Palmer if cut will retire, mark it down.
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NO he won’t.
He wanted out of Cincy because of the OWNER.
Get it?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
does reggie have the GUT to cut people?
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hallooooooooo oooooo oooooooo
Routt outtt outt out….
March 4th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Len it is clear as day, Palmer is here for the money only, and yes a good soldier, but stop thinking he was and ever a savior, and yes team better served with Pryor starting, man has a heart
March 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
121.Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
The years our corners looked good was the same time we were actually getting to the opposing teams qbs…..any average corner in the league looks like a shutdown when the dline is stout
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e.g. carlos rogers last year.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
Ok Purvis tell me do you agree and realize 2013 wash, 2014 compete
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Never. Can’t think that way. Won’t accept it. Right now you think 2014 looks good on paper. Especially if we cut Palmer, take the hit now and give Pryor a year to develop. All of our draft picks and more caproom. Then an unexpected slew of injuries in pre season, maybe Pryor goes down and we’re looking forward to 2015.
You play to win now. Every single week. We have needs, every team does. We’re not as decimated or desperate as some make us out to be.
And Knapp really was that bad, over and above not having the right side of the OL for over half the year.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Palmer aint gonna get his hands dirty.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Seriously Len? Come on stop that nonsense, he was half the qb had the money and could care, less! Now i am not saying he played that way with us but come on guy is done
March 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
How does some one give up over 10M in salary if that’s the only sole reason he’s playing for ?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
You’re a damned liar.
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Link?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:50 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
Len it is clear as day, Palmer is here for the money only, and yes a good soldier, but stop thinking he was and ever a savior, and yes team better served with Pryor starting, man has a heart
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See Dude, This is were I lose fools like you.
I NEVER said Palmer was a savior. Don’t put words in my mouth to fit your agenda.
I responded with facts to your speculation.
I like TP. Let’s allow it all to play out.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Palmer aint gonna get his hands dirty.
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WTF does that mean?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
@NGraiderfan
Exactly!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Palmer aint gonna get his hands dirty.
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WTF does that mean?
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No Leadership!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Nobody’s giving us a second and two thirds for Palmer. We MIGHT get a fourth-rounder.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
You’re a damned liar.
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hahah KK. You know I will always have you on “routt is as good as Revis”.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
I read somewhere recently that usually when a team cuts a player and they sign with someone else, whatever money the new team signs them for is subtracted from the dead money owed by the old team. I then read that wimbley and routt did not have this “language” written into their contracts. I wondered 2 things:
1) do the players we are currently debating cutting (palmer, mcclain, kelly, dhb, etc. have this in their contracts)
2) y the hell didn’t wimbley and routt have this in their contracts, wtf was al davis thinking?
March 4th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
Purvis i agree we should never give up, but take a step back and think about it, we so need to clean out the garbage. I never can accept losing, but I see the reality, Reggie needs another year to mold
March 4th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
could have saved us a lot of money.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Palmer isn’t done, did he made some bone headed throws at some points? yes he did, but he also did a lot more with nothing to work with, No running game, no freaking reliable receiver, with 5th most pass attempts in the league, and a D which couldn’t get to the QB even if the Dline was unblocked in an ERA when secondaries can’t even touch a receiver after 5 yards, and oh not to forget one of the worst special teams, and an idiot Offensive coordinator
March 4th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
I say we draft any of the top three OL this year….give time to Palmer/Pryor whoever and the jets on the outside we can be dangerous offensively and IF Pryor does start could be a dangerous threat with his feet
March 4th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
You’re a damned liar.
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hahah KK. You know I will always have you on “routt is as good as Revis”.
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I don’t give a schit. You can say anything you want.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:49 pm
Palmer aint gonna get his hands dirty.
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WTF does that mean?
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No Leadership!
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He’s MENTORING TP.
THAT IS LEADERSHIP and UN SELFISHNESS.
He takes the heat for Guys that haven’t learned how to run proper routes and on and on.
TP has to be in Oakland…TODY I admire that.
Palmer is injured and recovering.
Explain “Leadership”
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
KOOLKELL is an idiot, waste of time to mention his name or have some conversation with him , with that said this is my last response to anything KrazyKid
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
START FROM THE TRENCHES!!!!!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:44 pm[snip]
Why would I ask a dumbass anything???
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BTW, Kell, I have an appt. to meet you in the near future. Don’t know which elevator it’ll be yet. You never know!
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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STFU
March 4th, 2013 at 3:58 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
START FROM THE TRENCHES!!!!!
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Please. Inside out is the way I’d like to see it done.
March 4th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Len not to get temperamental but I am a fool? Stop the stupidity i won’t submit to sub moronic comments, I know my team anytime you want to go one on one I am ready, in the meantime go play with your spongebob in the tub you have zero credibility
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:55 pm
Palmer isn’t done, did he made some bone headed throws at some points? yes he did, but he also did a lot more with nothing to work with, No running game, no freaking reliable receiver, with 5th most pass attempts in the league, and a D which couldn’t get to the QB even if the Dline was unblocked in an ERA when secondaries can’t even touch a receiver after 5 yards, and oh not to forget one of the worst special teams, and an idiot Offensive coordinator
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Hell, I think Manning made a bone headed throw at the end of his last game?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:59 pm
Len not to get temperamental but I am a fool? Stop the stupidity i won’t submit to sub moronic comments, I know my team anytime you want to go one on one I am ready, in the meantime go play with your spongebob in the tub you have zero credibility
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Gotcha.
Your a sock puppet of MR.
How you been?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Palmer should agree to the same contract Vick got,let Pryor get second team reps not third and let it fall into place
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im dying to see what palmer is offered
i think vick’s 7 mil works because he a natural fit in kellys offense, and has nfl experience
do the raiders see palmer as fit for the vertical offense
I dont
March 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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At that price he could start, be depth, or be cut.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
By the way palmer isnt being “asked” to restructure he is being told take a cut or your out.
This has nothing to do with him being a “good guy” or any other silly romantic notions.
Cold hard business, palmer hasnt performed according to his current 4 year 42 mil deal.
Plain and simple
March 4th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Ok, back to reality, anybody wanting to get back on earth and discuss our team please do.
hey Len, I am here in queens new york, no sock puppets here
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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At that price he could start, be depth, or be cut.
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Details aren’t out yet, but from what I’ve read spotrac is saying it was a Paycut for 2013. Period.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Palmer should agree to the same contract Vick got,let Pryor get second team reps not third and let it fall into place
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im dying to see what palmer is offered
i think vick’s 7 mil works because he a natural fit in kellys offense, and has nfl experience
do the raiders see palmer as fit for the vertical offense
I dont
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Then what offense do you see him in? That is what he is best suited for. IMO
March 4th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
156.mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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STFU
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actually restructuring probably saves about the same if not more money than cutting him would save this year, plus you don’t have to replace him who knows he could be a good guard. i think it was a solid move.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:05 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:03 pm
Ok, back to reality, anybody wanting to get back on earth and discuss our team please do.
hey Len, I am here in queens new york, no sock puppets here
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Well next time I’m in NY I’ll be sure to not drink the water.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
From ESPN : Carson Palmer will have a say in contract talks.
One of the Oakland Raiders’ most pressing issues in the coming days is to address the contract of quarterback Carson Palmer as they try to get under the salary cap.
PalmerOakland is trying to redo the contract of the 33-year-old quarterback who was acquired in 2011 for a 2012 first-round pick and a second-round pick this year. Palmer has a salary-cap number more than $13 million.
Oakland coach Dennis Allen said at the combine that the Raiders plan on Palmer going into camp as the starter. But that contract has to be redone. Here’s the rub: What if Palmer doesn’t want to take a pay reduction?
There haven’t been any indications that Palmer will be difficult during these talks, but there’s always a change he can balk at the idea of taking a pay reduction. If he did that, Palmer and his agent would be banking on one of two things happening: Oakland relents and keeps his salary or Oakland is forced to cut him and Palmer would get a good contract elsewhere.
Teams such as Arizona, Buffalo and even Cleveland could be interested. Cosnider this: If Oakland is offering Palmer $4-5 million and he thinks he could get $6-7 million from the Cardinals to throw to Larry Fitzgerald, would Palmer take that chance?
In the end, Palmer holds the cards. If he doesn’t want to cooperate with Oakland’s demands he doesn’t have to.
If that is the case, the Raiders would receive $9-plus million in cap relief, but they would have another need on an already long list. That would mean Terrelle Pryor would get a long look and it wouldn’t do anything to stop the talk Oakland would take West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith with the No. 3 pick.
Again, we have no reason to think these talks will get off track, but any negotiation is a two-way street and that can cause complications.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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At that price he could start, be depth, or be cut.
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Details aren’t out yet, but from what I’ve read spotrac is saying it was a Paycut for 2013. Period.
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With the pay cut (never said it was’nt) would’nt it be less of a cap hit if he was cut? Not saying he will be either.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Sounds good Len, now take your Palmer doll and shove it, sorry your Palmer mentor doll, get a life you have no credibility
March 4th, 2013 at 4:10 pm
If Al Davis can see we traded for Carson Palmer, he would cry a river
March 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
169.Raider E Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
From ESPN : Carson Palmer will have a say in contract talks.
One of the Oakland Raiders’ most pressing issues in the coming days is to address the contract of quarterback Carson Palmer as they try to get under the salary cap.
PalmerOakland is trying to redo the contract of the 33-year-old quarterback who was acquired in 2011 for a 2012 first-round pick and a second-round pick this year. Palmer has a salary-cap number more than $13 million.
Oakland coach Dennis Allen said at the combine that the Raiders plan on Palmer going into camp as the starter. But that contract has to be redone. Here’s the rub: What if Palmer doesn’t want to take a pay reduction?
There haven’t been any indications that Palmer will be difficult during these talks, but there’s always a change he can balk at the idea of taking a pay reduction. If he did that, Palmer and his agent would be banking on one of two things happening: Oakland relents and keeps his salary or Oakland is forced to cut him and Palmer would get a good contract elsewhere.
Teams such as Arizona, Buffalo and even Cleveland could be interested. Cosnider this: If Oakland is offering Palmer $4-5 million and he thinks he could get $6-7 million from the Cardinals to throw to Larry Fitzgerald, would Palmer take that chance?
In the end, Palmer holds the cards. If he doesn’t want to cooperate with Oakland’s demands he doesn’t have to.
If that is the case, the Raiders would receive $9-plus million in cap relief, but they would have another need on an already long list. That would mean Terrelle Pryor would get a long look and it wouldn’t do anything to stop the talk Oakland would take West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith with the No. 3 pick.
Again, we have no reason to think these talks will get off track, but any negotiation is a two-way street and that can cause complications.
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read that article…sounds pretty spot on. i’m sure the raiders won’t budge too much tho, bc that 9 mil cap relief can get u another vet qb to come in and compete. and it couuld be more depending on what he signs for on another team IF they have it in his contract that the dead money gets reduced by the salary he is given by his next team. who knows though, routt and wimbley didn’t have that. hopefully reggies was smart enough to put it in when he restructured last year. If palmer is cool about taking the cut it doesn’t matter though. Larry fitzgerald is cool but he is always double triple teamed, they have no other wide receivers, a worse run game then us, and the worst pass protection in the nfl. so that’s not really a better situation in my opinion.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Palmer should agree to the same contract Vick got,let Pryor get second team reps not third and let it fall into place
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im dying to see what palmer is offered
i think vick’s 7 mil works because he a natural fit in kellys offense, and has nfl experience
do the raiders see palmer as fit for the vertical offense
I dont
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Then what offense do you see him in? That is what he is best suited for. IMO
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Honestly i see him as best suited for the bench.
I think he can mange in any offense as long as it is spot duty. A steady diet of palmer in deep drops and deep passing means turn overs and sacks.
i feel he was better last year in knapps dink and dunk during the first 3-4 games of the season.
he was unable to maintain the pace he started protecting the ball,a nd the more the offense leaned on him the more they struggled.
even so, he was far better protecting the ball checking down and playing safe.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
It is actually better for Carson to get cut and not take a massive paycut.
Looks like the Raiders are gonna have to keep his base salary at around 8 mil, meaning his cap hit is still around 11-12 mil.
Best case scenario is his takes a 5 mil cut in base salary and the cap savings is 5 mil.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Sounds good Len, now take your Palmer doll and shove it, sorry your Palmer mentor doll, get a life you have no credibility
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LOL
Agenda much?
Sub moronic insults?
F off
Credibility?
No less than yours.
Pete Prisco, is that you?
Again….F off
March 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
170.raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:07 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:57 pm
shrek restructured briesel? he is never gonna learn…a zbs guard now he istrying to fit him in as a power guard…this idiot has no hope.
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At that price he could start, be depth, or be cut.
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Details aren’t out yet, but from what I’ve read spotrac is saying it was a Paycut for 2013. Period.
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With the pay cut (never said it was’nt) would’nt it be less of a cap hit if he was cut? Not saying he will be either.
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not necessarily because if we cut him he would still be owed the guarantees for the rest of his 4 yr contract, which could be more than the 1.45 mil we are spending to keep him.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
In the end, Palmer holds the cards. If he doesn’t want to cooperate with Oakland’s demands he doesn’t have to.
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Yup.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
If Carson is cut then all that bonus money comes due and it is over 10mil. I think it’s close to 13 actually.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Len I am severely hurt, when you want to get a bit more cerebral let me know, not here to get into cro-magnon stuff.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
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not necessarily because if we cut him he would still be owed the guarantees for the rest of his 4 yr contract, which could be more than the 1.45 mil we are spending to keep him.
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I’ll try something different from telling you to f off like so many in here. Good point, lol.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
starting pryor is the only way to lift the curse of the collar bone
March 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
In the end, Palmer holds the cards. If he doesn’t want to cooperate with Oakland’s demands he doesn’t have to.
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Yup.
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Reggie has no leverage in this situation and he did it to himself last offseason.
I’m sure some will disagree, but Palmer got most of his money in the signing bonus last offseason. I think it was close to 12 mil.
It’s already in his wallet. Reggie is gonna have to appeal to Carson’s team spirit.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
starting pryor is the only way to lift the curse of the collar bone
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I hope he stays restructures and Pryor gets some playing time. We need both.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Len I am severely hurt, when you want to get a bit more cerebral let me know, not here to get into cro-magnon stuff.
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Ok Gandhi
Er Einstein.
Done.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:19 pm
You know Mistic not so many realistic fans here, everybody thinks about Carson like playing fantasy football, sad.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
If you think about it, who’s really here for the money? The guy making half a million a year on his first contract, or the guy with 80 million in the bank?
Who’s really playing for something besides the money?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
174.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:11 pm
raiderfankirk Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:00 pm
Raidersofthestorm Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Palmer should agree to the same contract Vick got,let Pryor get second team reps not third and let it fall into place
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im dying to see what palmer is offered
i think vick’s 7 mil works because he a natural fit in kellys offense, and has nfl experience
do the raiders see palmer as fit for the vertical offense
I dont
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Then what offense do you see him in? That is what he is best suited for. IMO
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Honestly i see him as best suited for the bench.
I think he can mange in any offense as long as it is spot duty. A steady diet of palmer in deep drops and deep passing means turn overs and sacks.
i feel he was better last year in knapps dink and dunk during the first 3-4 games of the season.
he was unable to maintain the pace he started protecting the ball,a nd the more the offense leaned on him the more they struggled.
even so, he was far better protecting the ball checking down and playing safe.
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palmers long ball isn’t very good. he only completed like20-30% of passes over 20 yds last season.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Len go play strato-matic
March 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
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I agree with this part, but I say draft Geno and let him beat Pryor out as a rookie.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
could have been the paycalling or drops though. who knows.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
It’s already in his wallet. Reggie is gonna have to appeal to Carson’s team spirit
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That’s gonna tell us everything about him. When he does then he’s the man. If not then F him.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
starting pryor is the only way to lift the curse of the collar bone
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Doubt that happens.
It was mentioned by someone in Corks last chat that Palmers current contract might have been negotiated with the intent to revisit it in 2013.
Don’t know if it’s true, but it would make sense in so far as Reggie was working to get under the cap, and at that time knew he wouldn’t pay 15.4 mil to carson in 2013.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:21 pm
Len go play strato-matic
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It it were 1972 I would. lol
March 4th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:20 pm
If you think about it, who’s really here for the money? The guy making half a million a year on his first contract, or the guy with 80 million in the bank?
Who’s really playing for something besides the money?
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You’ll never get through to them. They want to loose and some how think it will make the team better?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
I doubt anybody here knows the details of Palmer’s contract.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
If we cut palmer a d take the hit I am fine with that, Reggie will appeal to some continuity and appease him, still wrong move.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
Good post Kell!
You sure would not know that by reading the blog though.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:08 pm
Sounds good Len, now take your Palmer doll and shove it, sorry your Palmer mentor doll, get a life you have no credibility
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Len I am severely hurt, when you want to get a bit more cerebral let me know, not here to get into cro-magnon stuff.
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But, but…oh, never mind.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
i don’t hate palmer, but having that extra 9 mil we could get from cutting him and having him sign elsewhere looks pretty good. with our current cap status we won’t even b able to afford bringing back our own players. just saying…
March 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RaiderLen Says:
It was mentioned by someone in Corks last chat that Palmers current contract might have been negotiated with the intent to revisit it in 2013.
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Ahem.
Is it likely Reggie and Palmer’s agent anticipated this situation and already had a tentative agreement in place?
by purvisman February 27 at 11:57 AM
Absolutely. This isn’t something that just crossed Reggie McKenzie’s mind.
by scorkran February 27 at 11:57 AM
March 4th, 2013 at 4:30 pm
Ok how about this? We draft Geno, keep Palmer and Pryor. Then put all three behind center with our half backs at receiver ( since they can catch). Would that make you guy’s happy? lol
March 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Len, all joking aside, and in all seriousness, we are screwed this year, and yes if palmer stays to mentor great, Reggie can’t cut Palmer because it makes Mark look bad, and Allen is on the block, but can you at least agree that they should have used pryor before the last week?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
Sporttrac has the numbers, Kell, and I’m sure they are somewhat accurate.
But you already know that.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
I doubt anybody here knows the details of Palmer’s contract.
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Well we know what it is currently, but We don’t know what may have been discussed in the context of what happens in 2013.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
all pro athletes are playing for the money, some enjoy their.
some enjoy the job more than others
no different than society in general, we all work for money
March 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Playing Pryor the last 4 games last year it would have answered alot of questions.
This could go down as one of the stupidest moves we have done lately. (actually not done lately)
March 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
starting pryor is the only way to lift the curse of the collar bone
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Say hello to 0-16.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RaiderLen Says:
It was mentioned by someone in Corks last chat that Palmers current contract might have been negotiated with the intent to revisit it in 2013.
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Ahem.
Is it likely Reggie and Palmer’s agent anticipated this situation and already had a tentative agreement in place?
by purvisman February 27 at 11:57 AM
Absolutely. This isn’t something that just crossed Reggie McKenzie’s mind.
by scorkran February 27 at 11:57 AM
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TA DA!
That’s what I’m talkin about Purvisman!
Purvisman is a chess player.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
As much as Palmer haters want this to be an adversarial restructure/renegotiation, it was likely penciled in with both sides knowing where they stood before Pryor was gifted the ball on the 11 yard line to score thelast raider TD of the season.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Palmer of course will be back, and give way to pryor
March 4th, 2013 at 4:37 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:34 pm
As much as Palmer haters want this to be an adversarial restructure/renegotiation, it was likely penciled in with both sides knowing where they stood .
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lol the myth of the palmer haters continues
no person in pro sporst volunteers for a pay cut
people are paid based on percieved value
flacco wins the super bowl inks huge deal
palmer sinks to 8-16 and is told to take a pay cut
March 4th, 2013 at 4:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:17 pm
i hope carson still thinks he is worth 13 mil and 17 mil the next season and doesnt budge so we can cut bait and move on.
starting pryor is the only way to lift the curse of the collar bone
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Say hello to 0-16.
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0-16 with a 23 year old is better than 4-12 with a 33 year old has been
March 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
The stark reality is that the fixation with palmer continues
March 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
all pro athletes are playing for the money, some enjoy their.
some enjoy the job more than others
no different than society in general, we all work for money
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Then I’ll rephrase; Which one is more likely playing more for the enjoyment than the money; the one making half a million a year on his first contract or the one with 80 million in the bank.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I don’t dispute your numbers on the 9 mill we would “save” by cutting Palmer but it seems it changes everyday. I wonder if anybody really knows what it would cost. At any rate, it’s BIG.
IMO 4k yards isn’t what it used to be, but it’s not it’s schlep # ’s either.
I think it’s fair to equate 4k nowadays to what 1,000+ yd’s rushing used to be in a 14 game season back in the day. An accomplishment, but there are 7 or 8 other guys doing it as well.
Palmer making more than Rodgers for instance is outta whack but he as heck isn’t the only one…especially on the Raiders.
He’ll agree to an “adjustment”.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
0-16 with a 23 year old is better than 4-12 with a 33 year old has been
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Uh, no it isn’t.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
no person in pro sporst volunteers for a pay cut
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Rather they negotiate a stepped down rate of pay to meet performance with the market.
Players are commodities, but unlike soybeans, they have brains.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Then I’ll rephrase; Which one is more likely playing more for the enjoyment than the money; the one making half a million a year on his first contract or the one with 80 million in the bank.
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I wonder. lol
March 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Does anybody really think we can win the west, come on get real screw palmer
March 4th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
all pro athletes are playing for the money, some enjoy their.
some enjoy the job more than others
no different than society in general, we all work for money
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Then I’ll rephrase; Which one is more likely playing more for the enjoyment than the money; the one making half a million a year on his first contract or the one with 80 million in the bank.
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same answer both play for the money
pryor showed far more passion then we have seen from palmer.
he continues to display hunger, with his off season workouts with the wr group
palmer looks like he is waiting for the game to end on most sundays
March 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
if briesel isn’t traded it’s a bad move, he’s a zbs guy and therefore useless yet he’ll be paid 1.35 mill this year
March 4th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
Nice to see JLofty has MAYBE 3 brains cells…….
CAP # DEAD $ CAP Savings
Darrius Heyward Bey $10,601,000 $5,260,000 $5,341,000
March 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Mistic, some people here take the pryor argument as a racial thing, so far from it
March 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:41 pm
no person in pro sporst volunteers for a pay cut
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Rather they negotiate a stepped down rate of pay to meet performance with the market.
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only when they have dont believe they can get more or what they believe they are worth in the market.
other wise there woukld be no such thing as renegottiation.
certainly players dont walk into the office saying “cut my pay please”
barry zito?
stanford routt?
namdi
revis?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:48 pm
then again he can just not make the roster right?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
all pro athletes are playing for the money, some enjoy their.
some enjoy the job more than others
no different than society in general, we all work for money
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Then I’ll rephrase; Which one is more likely playing more for the enjoyment than the money; the one making half a million a year on his first contract or the one with 80 million in the bank.
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same answer both play for the money
pryor showed far more passion then we have seen from palmer.
he continues to display hunger, with his off season workouts with the wr group
palmer looks like he is waiting for the game to end on most sundays
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Nobody cares what u think u r a RACIST POS and ur evalution of QBs is awful
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
I Love the juice TP brings to the table.
I Love His work ethic.
I want Him to be the long term solution to a problem the Raiders have had for years.
If Palmer is here for another year or two I believe 3 things.
Palmer is playing for a reasonable amount of money.
The Raiders win more than expected in 2013.
TP wasn’t good enough to push Palmer aside.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
brisell is awful, i hope we draft and relagate him to position depth
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
It was obvious that Al was so hit and miss on draft picks, but pryor will be his legacy trust me on that
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
“he was unable to maintain the pace he started protecting the ball,a nd the more the offense leaned on him the more they struggled.
even so, he was far better protecting the ball checking down and playing safe.”
so you still think that had ZERO to do with crappy OL and receivers that couldn’t get open. i went to the games, and that’s what i saw.
he had to check down a lot because no one was open… that’s a fact.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Does anybody really think we can win the west, come on get real screw palmer
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So Just Loose Baby? WTF
March 4th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
It was obvious that Al was so hit and miss on draft picks, but pryor will be his legacy trust me on that
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It’s obvious that every team is hit and miss
March 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:43 pm
Does anybody really think we can win the west, come on get real screw palmer
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Not with this roster we can’t. But with a good draft, and a nice free agent addition like Michael Bennett or Andre Smith we can probably get this thing turned around quicker than one would think.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:53 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
It was obvious that Al was so hit and miss on draft picks, but pryor will be his legacy trust me on that
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hard for anyone to speculate on how good pryor will be at this point. we’ve seen so little, and what we have seen, shows he needs plenty of work. every expert/ex coach around has said the same. i hope he works out … not rooting against the kid. he’s putting in the work. we’ll see.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
If we succeed on offense it will be because of Pryor and his relationship with the receivers and yes they are buying into that
March 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Elraidmanhattan Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Mistic, some people here take the pryor argument as a racial thing, so far from it
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Yep.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
Omg a new post… I don’t even need new posts. The writing and opinions are really not that impressive anyway. But I really would like it if you could set the blog portion up into pages or have some kind of auto delete after 1000 posts or so so that we can join in the conversation every day.. my phone does not work after about 1200 posts. Then I’m out of the conversation for days on end.. come on guys
March 4th, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
I Love the juice TP brings to the table.
I Love His work ethic.
I want Him to be the long term solution to a problem the Raiders have had for years.
If Palmer is here for another year or two I believe 3 things.
Palmer is playing for a reasonable amount of money.
The Raiders win more than expected in 2013.
TP wasn’t good enough to push Palmer aside.
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len,
i dont think palmers return means the raiders think pryor isnt good enough.
If they did i would continue to seriously question how they arrived at that conclusion with half a week of split reps and 1 start in palmers offense
in fact it appears to me that they have admitted that they did a piss poor job evaluating pryor and made a major gaffe burying him the way they did.
the guy had no meaningful practice outside of drills until he cloned cam newton for the scout team in week 14 for god sakes.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
I Love the juice TP brings to the table.
I Love His work ethic.
I want Him to be the long term solution to a problem the Raiders have had for years.
If Palmer is here for another year or two I believe 3 things.
Palmer is playing for a reasonable amount of money.
The Raiders win more than expected in 2013.
TP wasn’t good enough to push Palmer aside.
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bingo! that’s where i’m at. this training camp will certainly be an exciting one. we’re only a few months away!
March 4th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:50 pm
brisell is awful, i hope we draft and relagate him to position depth
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Brisiel played almost the entire season with torn ankle ligaments. He had surgery almost immediately after the season. Again, the guy I hold responsible for the poor play of the offense is McFadden. And he has a $10mm cap hit this year. Compared to that Palmer is the “deal of the century”,
March 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Should have cut brisel
March 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Scam Newton sucks Brees and Ryan will dominate and win the South for years
March 4th, 2013 at 4:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
palmer looks like he is waiting for the game to end on most sundays
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Like when he was putting on his helmet to go back in after the cracked ribs and bruised lungs?
Notice how you always retreat to a subjective, therefore inarguable stance?
March 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
only when they have dont believe they can get more or what they believe they are worth in the market.
other wise there woukld be no such thing as renegottiation.
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How many starting jobs?
32.
How many teams in need of a starting QB.
How many teams drafting a QB of the future?
How many teams feel they are just a QB away from a serious run?
KC seem to believe that A Smith is one of those guys…lol
Fact is not many teams are going top fork over money for a 33 year old QB.
SO…how do we address Palmer value. You access market value and negotiate accordingly.
It’s obvious that Palmer will take less because of the market.
How many suiter”s were there for Peyton?
Not comparing the two, but rather pointing out the market condition for a Primo QB.
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
xraided Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:51 pm
“he was unable to maintain the pace he started protecting the ball,a nd the more the offense leaned on him the more they struggled.
even so, he was far better protecting the ball checking down and playing safe.”
so you still think that had ZERO to do with crappy OL and receivers that couldn’t get open. i went to the games, and that’s what i saw.
he had to check down a lot because no one was open… that’s a fact.
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he also missed plenty of open targets forced passes and fixated on myers
still though he was far better during the first quarter of the season than at any other point.
I dont see how that can be disputed.
knapps dink and dunk was palmers best chance
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
if Palmer’s contract weren’t so horrendous, we could get a 2nd rounder for him. we’d be lucky to get a 4th rounder with that kind of contract dedication.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
239 exactly… da screwed the pooch not getting TP practice reps all year.. 3 days of split practice and 1 game and all of a sudden he’s competing with CP? What a huge blunder by our staff. TP should have played the final 5 games of the season probably starting 4, maybe all 5 of them..
March 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
i dont think palmers return means the raiders think pryor isnt good enough.
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I don’t either in the long term.
Speaking mostly of 2013, and maybe 2014.
TP at this point will have to shove Palmer aside with his performance.
The raiders have to feel confident that TP can make all of the throws from the pocket etc…
March 4th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Cut Palmer
March 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
sure he made bad throws. he was under pressure A LOT .. there were A LOT OF DROPS as well. this cannot be disputed either.
this is just what i saw in person. i watched the receivers a lot live. he had to hustle and get the ball out before getting blasted, thus he dunked it off to Myers or a RB because of it.
that’s just what i’m talking about when not having pieces around him doing their job. of course he made bone headed throws even when he had time. many QBs do. it’s unavoidable.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
Mistic, some people here take the pryor argument as a racial thing, so far from it
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Saw zero evidence of that today ’till you brought it up.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:58 pm
only when they have dont believe they can get more or what they believe they are worth in the market.
other wise there woukld be no such thing as renegottiation.
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How many starting jobs?
32.
How many teams in need of a starting QB.
How many teams drafting a QB of the future?
How many teams feel they are just a QB away from a serious run?
KC seem to believe that A Smith is one of those guys…lol
Fact is not many teams are going top fork over money for a 33 year old QB.
SO…how do we address Palmer value. You access market value and negotiate accordingly.
It’s obvious that Palmer will take less because of the market.
How many suiter”s were there for Peyton?
Not comparing the two, but rather pointing out the market condition for a Primo QB.
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doesnt change anything len
manning had lots of suitors even teams that already had qbs (niners)
palmer?
he will have to take less money because he isnt valued at 13 mil here.
there are plenty of teams that need a veteran qb az, cle, jax, buff, minny and so on. If he thinks he can get more money from one of those teams ( i hope he does) then he wont budge and will force a release.
The fact is that palmer simply isnt worth as much as people here think he is. At least that what big mack told him lol.
I would be curious to see if a qb starved team throws a check his way.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:04 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
Mistic, some people here take the pryor argument as a racial thing, so far from it
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Saw zero evidence of that today ’till you brought it up.
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look at many of the threads in the archives for your proof
but there is still mac butt plug and ian 85 and they have both posted racist trash here
i think you only see what you want to see
March 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
we install the rollout offense and zone blocking schemes for a quarterback that can’t roll out and a running back who hates picking and looking for holes… I just hope these idiots don’t f up another season.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
i dont think palmers return means the raiders think pryor isnt good enough.
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I don’t either in the long term.
Speaking mostly of 2013, and maybe 2014.
TP at this point will have to shove Palmer aside with his performance.
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this i will agree with
big mack said as much
March 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Saw zero evidence of that today ’till you brought it up
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TODAY
March 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
we install the rollout offense and zone blocking schemes for a quarterback that can’t roll out and a running back who hates picking and looking for holes… I just hope these idiots don’t f up another season.
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pretty dumb
remember the comparisons to matt schaub?
tragically flawed logic
March 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Palmer is not a 15.4 million dollar QB.
The 49er’s checked out PM because thet knew that A smith wasn’t their GUY.
Kap was on the roster, he was the future, Manning was the quick fix to the SB.
It didn’t materialize, but at the end of the day Kap is the future, and Smith is kicking rocks.
Cleveland, Jax, Minny, etc had just spent 1st round $$$ on qb’s of the future in a circumstance were they were rebuilding.
A 33 yr old Starter wasn’t on their radar.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:09 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:07 pm
we install the rollout offense and zone blocking schemes for a quarterback that can’t roll out and a running back who hates picking and looking for holes… I just hope these idiots don’t f up another season.
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pretty dumb
remember the comparisons to matt schaub?
tragically flawed logic
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And look what happened to that O down the stretch. Knapp was’nt the cord. there. He was the f’n QB coach.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
in fact it appears to me that they have admitted that they did a piss poor job evaluating pryor and made a major gaffe burying him the way they did.
…and also says…
i think you only see what you want to see
March 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Palmer is not a 15.4 million dollar QB.
The 49er’s checked out PM because thet knew that A smith wasn’t their GUY.
Kap was on the roster, he was the future, Manning was the quick fix to the SB.
It didn’t materialize, but at the end of the day Kap is the future, and Smith is kicking rocks.
Cleveland, Jax, Minny, etc had just spent 1st round $$$ on qb’s of the future in a circumstance were they were rebuilding.
A 33 yr old Starter wasn’t on their radar.
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len,
do you think manning would be “on their” radar if he was free this season?
Im sure he would be
it isnt the age as he primary determinant its production
March 4th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
on69 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
Restructuring Brisiel doesn’t mean RM won’t draft OL with the 3rd pick but you can count Veldeheer Wiz Briseiel and Bergstrom to start with 1 spot left.
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Bergstrom show us nothing last year. I’ve already stated Briesel is worthless, even more so no that we are changing back to power. Having said that, I would be happy if they took Fisher @3.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
who’s cut, who get’s paycut, who walks? Who’s traded? Who remains as is?
Lechler
Seymour
Shaughnessey
Bryant
Wheeler
DHB
Palmer
Huff
Branch
Kelly
Myers
Tollefson
Mcclain
Carter
Barnes
Carlisle
Hanson
Adams
Reggie’s gotta lotta work to do
March 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
Marks hair Says:
…my phone does not work after about 1200 posts. Then I’m out of the conversation for days on end.. come on guys
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Can Mistic borrow your phone?
March 4th, 2013 at 5:16 pm
The cap went up supossedly giving everybody 3 mil of extra space… but we restructure brisel and we’re only 1.5 under? Wtf?. if we are this cash strapped I don’t understand why we’re not fire sailing the whole bunch of them everybody with a big contract needs to go until we can get this thing sorted out.. you dont keep these àssholes for 4 wins!
March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
he also missed plenty of open targets forced passes and fixated on myers
still though he was far better during the first quarter of the season than at any other point.
I dont see how that can be disputed.
knapps dink and dunk was palmers best chance
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Of course it can be disputed. Palmer has always been known as someone who gets the ball downfield accurately. Even last year, Palmer ranked 15th in the league in yards per attempt right behind Eli, Flacco and Rothleisberger and ahead of guys like Cutler, Luck and Rivers. And if McFadden was one of the worst in the league in number of drops, he would have been top four or five as he has been his whole career. You might want to get your facts straight.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
len,
do you think manning would be “on their” radar if he was free this season?
Im sure he would be
it isnt the age as he primary determinant its production
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I don’t believe He would.
Not with those teams.
That’s like putting lipstick on a pig.
GM’s aren’t going to spend 20 million dollars on a QB that retards the development of their 1st round QB on a team that is clearly not going to a SB.
Would You?
March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
239 exactly… da screwed the pooch not getting TP practice reps all year.. 3 days of split practice and 1 game and all of a sudden he’s competing with CP? What a huge blunder by our staff. TP should have played the final 5 games of the season probably starting 4, maybe all 5 of them..
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Couldn’t do that, then Palmer wouldn’t get his numbers
March 4th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
in fact it appears to me that they have admitted that they did a piss poor job evaluating pryor and made a major gaffe burying him the way they did.
…and also says…
i think you only see what you want to see
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see what i mean, lol
you clearly didnt see allens comments admitting that they ‘could have done a better job evaluating pryor earlier in the season” (paraphrasing)
March 4th, 2013 at 5:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
he also missed plenty of open targets forced passes and fixated on myers
still though he was far better during the first quarter of the season than at any other point.
I dont see how that can be disputed.
knapps dink and dunk was palmers best chance
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U r dumbass and a sack of sch!t
March 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Mistic don’t u think another black QB should have won another super bowl by now its been 26 years proof is in the pudding
March 4th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
Couldn’t do that, then Palmer wouldn’t get his numbers
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DA was doing what He thought would result in Wins, and save his own skin.
Really had nothing to do with Palmer”s “numbers” imo.
For what? PALMER, His agent?
DA did learn something in San Diego, Of that I’m convinced.
TP has given him pause to rethink some of his notions.
You’d have thought that having been around tebow in Denver that He would have been a little less regimented in His thinking, but…..
March 4th, 2013 at 5:25 pm
[...] [...]
March 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
273.. right? he was there for Tebow mania but never thought even practice TP… WTF?
March 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
You probably right Len, I get the felling he was protecting Knapp.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:29 pm
DA did learn something in San Diego, Of that I’m convinced.
TP has given him pause to rethink some of his notions.
You’d have thought that having been around tebow in Denver that He would have been a little less regimented in His thinking, but…..
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McKenzie has come out and said there is going to be an open competition at QB as with all positions. But Allen has said over and over that Palmer is the Q. And there is a reason. Allen sees Palmer and Pryor every single day and he knows there is no comparison. SD game proved that as well.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
he also missed plenty of open targets forced passes and fixated on myers
still though he was far better during the first quarter of the season than at any other point.
I dont see how that can be disputed.
knapps dink and dunk was palmers best chance
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Of course it can be disputed. Palmer has always been known as someone who gets the ball downfield accurately. Even last year, Palmer ranked 15th in the league in yards per attempt right behind Eli, Flacco and Rothleisberger and ahead of guys like Cutler, Luck and Rivers.
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uh bush
first four games 5 tds 3 turn overs 1.3 turn overs per game
next 10 games 17 tds 17 turn overs 1.7 per game
yards per attempt is nice but he only hit 24% of passe more than 20 yards and 18% more than 30
not exactly ‘accurate down filed’ like you described him.
Lol are you reading a scouting report from 2006
March 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Then again you couldn’t get Knapp/DA to give a lot of guys a look.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:33 pm
McKenzie has come out and said there is going to be an open competition at QB as with all positions. But Allen has said over and over that Palmer is the Q. And there is a reason. Allen sees Palmer and Pryor every single day and he knows there is no comparison. SD game proved that as well.
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Reggie and DA both talk about competition, as they should.
I agree.
To say that that the SD game proved there is no comparison is a matter of opinion.
I saw a lot of things from TP that encourage me to believe that He can win games in the NFL.
DA had his head turned. To what degree I don’t know.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:28 pm
You probably right Len, I get the felling he was protecting Knapp.
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I can see that. Loyalty.
It’s not easy being the Lead Dog.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:36 pm
ok now that bush has been dispatched so easily im done for the day
peace
March 4th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:32 pm
Then again you couldn’t get Knapp/DA to give a lot of guys a look.
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LOL
Knapp was a disaster.
I was tepid in support, but when I read the quote ” I teach what I know”
He lost me and confirmed he’s not up to the task.
Others saw it the DAY he was hired.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:38 pm
Palmer will have say in contract talks
March, 4, 2013
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com
One of the Oakland Raiders’ most pressing issues in the coming days is to address the contract of quarterback Carson Palmer as they try to get under the salary cap.
Oakland is trying to redo the contract of the 33-year-old quarterback who was acquired in 2011 for a 2012 first-round pick and a second-round pick this year. Palmer has a salary-cap number more than $13 million.
Oakland coach Dennis Allen said at the combine that the Raiders plan on Palmer going into camp as the starter. But that contract has to be redone. Here’s the rub: What if Palmer doesn’t want to take a pay reduction?
There haven’t been any indications that Palmer will be difficult during these talks, but there’s always a chance he can balk at the idea of taking a pay reduction. If he did that, Palmer and his agent would be banking on one of two things happening: Oakland relents and keeps his salary or Oakland is forced to cut him and Palmer would get a good contract elsewhere.
Teams such as Arizona, Buffalo and even Cleveland could be interested. Consider this: If Oakland is offering Palmer $4-5 million and he thinks he could get $6-7 million from the Cardinals to throw to Larry Fitzgerald, would Palmer take that chance?
In the end, Palmer holds the cards. If he doesn’t want to cooperate with Oakland’s demands he doesn’t have to.
If that is the case, the Raiders would receive $9-plus million in cap relief, but they would have another need on an already long list. That would mean Terrelle Pryor would get a long look and it wouldn’t do anything to stop the talk Oakland would take West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith with the No. 3 pick.
Again, we have no reason to think these talks will get off track, but any negotiation is a two-way street and that can cause complications.
https://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/p…contract-talks
March 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Tp got into the endzone 3 times.. one for each day of split reps with the 1st team….. thats why tp is competing for the job. we could have had an open competition last year but we didn’t.. tp opened some eyes and that’s the only reason why there will be a competition for the quarterback position this year.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Tp got into the endzone 3 times.. one for each day of split reps with the 1st team….. thats why tp is competing for the job. we could have had an open competition last year but we didn’t.. tp opened some eyes and that’s the only reason why there will be a competition for the quarterback position this year.
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exactly
March 4th, 2013 at 5:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 4:59 pm
he also missed plenty of open targets forced passes and fixated on myers
still though he was far better during the first quarter of the season than at any other point.
I dont see how that can be disputed.
knapps dink and dunk was palmers best chance
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Of course it can be disputed. Palmer has always been known as someone who gets the ball downfield accurately. Even last year, Palmer ranked 15th in the league in yards per attempt right behind Eli, Flacco and Rothleisberger and ahead of guys like Cutler, Luck and Rivers.
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uh bush
first four games 5 tds 3 turn overs 1.3 turn overs per game
next 10 games 17 tds 17 turn overs 1.7 per game
yards per attempt is nice but he only hit 24% of passe more than 20 yards and 18% more than 30
not exactly ‘accurate down filed’ like you described him.
Lol are you reading a scouting report from 2006
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Uh, once again, no. I am looking at 2011 and 2012. And as for last year, Palmer was ranked pretty highly for plays 25 yards or higher. Ahead of RGIII, Russell Wilson, Cutler, Rivers and just behind Matt Ryan and Aaron Rogers. Try again.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:41 pm
Exactly Mark.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:43 pm
tailgater Says:
Lechler wants out. He was pulled aside by veterans on the team many times last year about having bad attitude during practice. he is done with Oakland, to much partying by players and not enough team.
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DutchRaider77 Says:
True, I heard McClain was a boyscout and then he started hanging out with Lechler…
Did you hear Lechler just took a vacation in Florida? Took Desmond Bryant out for a few drinks…
March 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
All these mock drafts it’s either Floyd or Geno. I hope we draft neither just to spite them.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:45 pm
I know he’s not the only person to blame, but 4000 yards doesn’t mean much when you aren’t using those yards to put points on the board.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:46 pm
Scoring Touch Downs.
Intangible qualities.
TP can be our Uber athletic Doug Flutie!
Seriously, TD’s Are all that matter.
How they are scored is secondary.
BUT…. TP has to be able to throw accurately from the pocket to get his bona fides.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
Marks Hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Tp got into the endzone 3 times..
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2 of those three times were in the last three minutes when the season was over and were the direct result of special teams plays not Pryor. Other than that, he was losing 24-7, could not complete 50% of his passes, threw for just over four yards an attempt, went 2-11 in the third quarter and basically did nothing. Not really a glowing start to a career.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:47 pm
RediaR Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
All these mock drafts it’s either Floyd or Geno. I hope we draft neither just to spite them.
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The Big Raider Middle Finger to the experts….LOL
March 4th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
RediaR Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
All these mock drafts it’s either Floyd or Geno. I hope we draft neither just to spite them.
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I’m still hoping for Star, provided his heart checks out medically.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Not really a glowing start to a career.
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What would have been a glowing start?
I’m not into garbage time.
Did he make things happen or not.
He extends plays, can tuck it an run for 60, and was not very aggressive as he was feeling his way through the process.
I don’t understand why someone making their 1st regular season start is supposed to be perfect.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:53 pm
I’m still hoping for Star, provided his heart checks out medically.
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I like Star and Warmack as the two sure things at #3.
Prefer a trade down, and land Warmack.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
I have the Pryor game on DVR, and the Color guy announcing the game was very impressed with him. Go figure.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
2 of those three times were in the last three minutes when the season was over and were the direct result of special teams plays not Pryor. Other than that, he was losing 24-7, could not complete 50% of his passes, threw for just over four yards an attempt, went 2-11 in the third quarter and basically did nothing. Not really a glowing start to a career.
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Not entirely accurate. But before you get jumped on by the nit pickers, the reality is no better. Complete play by play here.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
And if being down 24-7 in the 4th quarter of the last game of the season between two out of contention teams isn’t garbage time, then there is no such thing.
March 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Yes Citizen that was indeed my point.
DHB is costing us over $10mill in ‘13 and cutting him saves $$. Wtf is your point?
I don’t think Darrius H-Bey is worth $10-11mill in 2013 in THIS universe. Cutting him is a definate option but since I like the kid hopefully he’ll work out a deal that makes sense.
And my brain cell count is fine, its the brain damage that can be problematic. Oops that was a multisyllabic word, your 3rd grade reading comprehension skills have a hard time with that. Maybe just skip over my posts from now on….
March 4th, 2013 at 6:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:54 pm
I have the Pryor game on DVR, and the Color guy announcing the game was very impressed with him. Go figure.
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I watched the game and I was impressed.
All in context, but I liked what I saw, and understood on the throws that some will say he lacked arm, it was a case of him trying to be to fine or perfect.
He was playing very cautious because he didn’t want to fuuuk up.
He has WAY more to offer then what we saw in SD.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:03 pm
RaiderLen Says:
I don’t understand why someone making their 1st regular season start is supposed to be perfect.
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He absolutely isn’t. I was encouraged. My quarrel is with the revisionists here that cite that game as evidence that Pryor should start over Palmer.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:05 pm
And if being down 24-7 in the 4th quarter of the last game of the season between two out of contention teams isn’t garbage time, then there is no such thing.
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So who’s garbage time is most influential?
The Raiders or the Chargers.
Who is going through the motions more and giving less than 100%?
How do we quantify who wants it less?
And if we could, how does that effect the resulting garbage statistics?
March 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
Marks hair Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
239 exactly… da screwed the pooch not getting TP practice reps all year.. 3 days of split practice and 1 game and all of a sudden he’s competing with CP? What a huge blunder by our staff. TP should have played the final 5 games of the season probably starting 4, maybe all 5 of them..
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This alone, don’t count hiring Knapp and firing our ST coach, is the reason I have no faith in DA. It was stupid, stupid, stupid!
March 4th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
He absolutely isn’t. I was encouraged. My quarrel is with the revisionists here that cite that game as evidence that Pryor should start over Palmer.
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Agree.
TP has work to do.
Gotta be able to make the throws from the pocket.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:52 pm
Not really a glowing start to a career.
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What would have been a glowing start?
I’m not into garbage time.
Did he make things happen or not.
He extends plays, can tuck it an run for 60, and was not very aggressive as he was feeling his way through the process.
I don’t understand why someone making their 1st regular season start is supposed to be perfect.
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You don’t expect him to be perfect, but he has to be able to do a couple of things. Extending plays is not first on the list. I can go out there, run around, extend the play but get nothing. I can go out there and not complete passes. I can go out there and basically get my ass handed to me. Nothing special there.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:10 pm
I don’t care about the stats Pryor had against the Chargirls. I watched that game and thought he did some good things. Thought he had plenty to work on.
Would more practice reps, game time have helped? Of course.
Is he ready to be league MVP today? Not likely. But he has 5-6 more months to hone his craft before the games count.
Bottom line we got to get rid of the out of whack contracts. Palmer has one. Big Dick had one. Tommy Kelly has one. Darrius HB has one.
Hopefully Reggie cleans that up and we get a roster of boar hunters….
March 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
That back shoulder throw in the endzone to DHB was very impressive, so was the bomb to Streater.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
You don’t expect him to be perfect, but he has to be able to do a couple of things. Extending plays is not first on the list. I can go out there, run around, extend the play but get nothing. I can go out there and not complete passes. I can go out there and basically get my ass handed to me. Nothing special there.
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Ok Seymore.
You saw nothing that provides you a hint as to His ability to be good.
10-4
March 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/Eternal Optimist Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
2 of those three times were in the last three minutes when the season was over and were the direct result of special teams plays not Pryor. Other than that, he was losing 24-7, could not complete 50% of his passes, threw for just over four yards an attempt, went 2-11 in the third quarter and basically did nothing. Not really a glowing start to a career.
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Not entirely accurate. But before you get jumped on by the nit pickers, the reality is no better. Complete play by play here.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201212300sdg.htm
And if being down 24-7 in the 4th quarter of the last game of the season between two out of contention teams isn’t garbage time, then there is no such thing.
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Thank you for bailing me out. OK, 2 for 9 in the third quarter, not 2 for 11.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
I can go out there and not complete passes. I can go out there and basically get my ass handed to me.
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I didn’t know you were Matt Leinart. It must be pretty awkward for you on these boards.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:12 pm
You don’t expect him to be perfect, but he has to be able to do a couple of things. Extending plays is not first on the list. I can go out there, run around, extend the play but get nothing. I can go out there and not complete passes. I can go out there and basically get my ass handed to me. Nothing special there.
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Ok Seymore.
You saw nothing that provides you a hint as to His ability to be good.
10-4
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He doesn’t have a bigger fan in here than me. I want him to be special. But I can see why 32 teams passed on him over and over. I like his fire. I like his energy. I don’t think he is a viable NFL Q tho. When teams can actually game plan him, they are going to destroy him. And tucking and running, which has ALWAYS been a major portion of his game is not going to be viable at this level.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:15 pm
I’d agree JRJ. DA made some seriously questionable moves last year. I was encouraged by him jettisoning Knapp so quick. Hope much of the rest was first year lack of seasoning…
March 4th, 2013 at 6:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:11 pm
That back shoulder throw in the endzone to DHB was very impressive, so was the bomb to Streater.
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I only watched the game live, so my recollection has dimmed.
Was the Streater throw a hitch and go?
The Hitch and go throw was his best throw imo.
The idea that TP is only capable of throwing lollipops is funny.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RediaR Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:09 pm
I can go out there and not complete passes. I can go out there and basically get my ass handed to me.
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I didn’t know you were Matt Leinart. It must be pretty awkward for you on these boards.
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haha. good one. Yeah, I have to go get Heisman polish. I will be right back before the Heisman polish store closes.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
He doesn’t have a bigger fan in here than me. I want him to be special. But I can see why 32 teams passed on him over and over. I like his fire. I like his energy. I don’t think he is a viable NFL Q tho. When teams can actually game plan him, they are going to destroy him. And tucking and running, which has ALWAYS been a major portion of his game is not going to be viable at this level.
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TP has to be able to demonstrate. No doubt.
I liked the fact that when he had time to stand in the pocket, His feet were planted,(no happy feet) and he was looking down field.
THAT is huge.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:20 pm
Yeah, I,guess it was a hitch & go. Dropped in right over the shoulder.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:28 pm
Now that RM has finally got around to the restructure/reduce or cut phase, I think this CSN bay area article really sums up the big players in this:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/paul-gutierrez/where-could-raiders-find-more-cap-room
In this article cutting Palmer saves over 9 million. But remember if you cut him you will probably have to spend 3-5 million in cap money or have some bad backended deal to bring in someone like Matt Moore for competition or to actually start. I think a better outcome is for Palmer to take a 4-5 million dollar cut by converting some of his base to ungarunteed money further years out. I hope he goes for this.
Other targets for cut each with savings if they cut:
Bey 5.3 million
Kelley 4.7 million
Brisel 2.8 million(looks like they did just as well with the resturcture deal that looks to have a reduction in it. I still not clear why keeping a zbs guard but it looks like what they did does not cost much or reduce cap savings)
Tollefson 1.6 million
Goethel 575k (go be emergency snapper somewhere else!)
Willie Smith 550k zbs Tackle bye-bye
March 4th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
RaiderLen Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:19 pm
He doesn’t have a bigger fan in here than me. I want him to be special. But I can see why 32 teams passed on him over and over. I like his fire. I like his energy. I don’t think he is a viable NFL Q tho. When teams can actually game plan him, they are going to destroy him. And tucking and running, which has ALWAYS been a major portion of his game is not going to be viable at this level.
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TP has to be able to demonstrate. No doubt.
I liked the fact that when he had time to stand in the pocket, His feet were planted,(no happy feet) and he was looking down field.
THAT is huge.
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Pryor is a BIG kid. Not quite Cam Newton big, but a big kid. I think he is missing his calling as he would be a very very solid WR. And then he could use his speed, size and strength.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
About the lollypops Pryor threw. You guys need to understand that he was doing this way too much in the SD game. Unless you are Flacco and you have his WRs or are Culpepper and have Moss you can not get away with this garbage. There were a lot of LPs in the SD game. I have seen him at other times not doing this. He needs to work on whatever he was doing that causes that and solve it.
TP is not Tebow in any way. He is faster more elusive and throws better. Both are very hard working high character guys at this point. They are similar in that way.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Other targets for cut each with savings if they cut:
Bey 5.3 million
Kelley 4.7 million
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You can stop right there. And next year McFadden comes off the books completely which frees up another $5-6mm.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:38 pm
[...] salary of G Mike Brisiel by $3 million dollars. The move was first reported by Steve Corkran and he stated that this will save Oakland $3 million which would indicate a pure paycut rather than restructure. My experience would tell me hs got [...]
March 4th, 2013 at 6:40 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
About the lollypops Pryor threw. You guys need to understand that he was doing this way too much in the SD game. Unless you are Flacco and you have his WRs or are Culpepper and have Moss you can not get away with this garbage. There were a lot of LPs in the SD game. I have seen him at other times not doing this. He needs to work on whatever he was doing that causes that and solve it.
TP is not Tebow in any way. He is faster more elusive and throws better. Both are very hard working high character guys at this point. They are similar in that way.
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Pryor always throws balloons. That is troubling. That is the result of extremely poor mechanics and foot work. Another issue is he is waaaaaay to prone to just tuck and run. While I agree that both Teblows and Pryor are hard working guys, which is really good, I don’t know if I can call Pryor a high character. He did a nice job taking down Ohio State and cost them a run at a national championship this past year for his own benefit. Not really a high character thing to do.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Seymour Bush
Largely agree with your takes and he definitely was throwing a blooper ball in the SD game, however in College and High school I have seen him throw some darts and low arc bombs as well. I think he just forgets his footwork sometimes and then tries to force something on the run or when scrambling that he just can’t do. He needs to slow down and plant and not get over excited trying for a quick release is my opinion.
Coming out of high school his rep was the best spread QB prospect ever like Cam or better this was a guy that can run and throw.
The stuff with OSU is in the past I am talking about his conduct over the last 18 months not when at OSU.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
Pryor is a BIG kid. Not quite Cam Newton big, but a big kid.
Frustrating Cam Newton was one of the highlights of the year.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:46 pm
cant believe some fools actually like briesel…the guy svcked like mcxcuse20 on a friday night.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:47 pm
I’d love to see Sean Smith in Silver and Black. Big, physical corner and I wanted us to draft him when he came out of Utah a few years ago.
I did read somewhere (I think) that he wants a lot of money, so he may be out of our price range.
I’d also be down with Glen Dorsey. Virtually everything I’ve heard or read about him mentions that he was miscast in the 3-4, but as others have mentioned, he was a beast in the 4-3 at LSU. It’ll be interesting to see how the staff evaluates him to see if he’s worth bringing in.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:50 pm
Al the Al Davis Apologist
The jury is out on Briesel. The guy was playing with a hamstring injury all year. I am doubtful he can play PBS but I think the price is right with the resturcture at this point.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:36 pm
Other targets for cut each with savings if they cut:
Bey 5.3 million
Kelley 4.7 million
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You can stop right there. And next year McFadden comes off the books completely which frees up another $5-6mm.
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I also believe quite a bit of dead money comes off next year as well. Next year is not the problem its this year and having enough to sign some decent midlevel and some of our own FAs so we can win more than 4 game next year.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:55 pm
Getting back to football
Gotta restructure DHB we know his isn’t worth that kind of money, but lets not throw him away yet, he can play for close to,league minimum long as we don’t draft anymore guys that high with poor catching skills. That is the # 1 thing for a WR catch the ball. Damn, Al. Hey, maybe we should move him to corner. He’s physical, but not shifty. But I’m sure he can not catch, I mean pass defense the ball better if he only has to jump up and knock it down.
Tommy Kelly same thing, get his number down so that if we have to cut him, no big cap hit. All contracts need to structured to make guys cuttable and tradeable
March 4th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
fvck that…briesel of anybody on that line should have shined last year…and now they want to make him a power guard? buncha bs…reggie has no freakin clue.
March 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
Draft
I like DT Star Lotuleilei but the medical thing
Maybe the Floyd guy can be a stud, like Laroi Glover was an undersized DT that could get to the QB, but we don’t need pass rushers cause we never have a lead to protect,
March 4th, 2013 at 6:57 pm
290.rediaR Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
All these mock drafts it’s either Floyd or Geno. I hope we draft neither just to spite them.
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I’m not going to say much about Floyd, because quite frankly I only watched the Gators a couple of times this past year and wasn’t watching him at all. From what I read about him though, he sounds a lot like Lamaar Houston, both in body type and in style of play.
I do see some advantage to a player like that, since in my view pressure up the middle when defending the read option will be more important than pressure off the edges (where d-linemen will be in more of a contain mode than they usually are), but the issue for the Raiders there is that the QBs in our division are more or less straight pocket passers (Smith is a little mobile, but he ain’t running the read option).
Unless it’s addressed sufficiently in FA, I would think we’d want to draft someone that plays on the edge that can get after the Mannings and Rivers’ of the world.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:00 pm
Guys are saying you can restructure a guys contract but cannot tear it up and give him a pay cut but isn’t that what they did with Vick?
March 4th, 2013 at 7:03 pm
Al the Al Davis Apologist
RM definetly knows what he is doing here. Think about it, with a really favorable contract. Briesell becomes a really good trade target for Reggie if a zbs team has a guard injury in camp or a player does not work out for a different team. Also if Briesell can play PBS we are getting a cheap guard in terms of change in cap hit from what we had before. Frankly I never saw Al pull something like this off.
This is why AD should have let go around 2001 and why the Raiders have almost consistently sucked since FA started in 94 (accept for Gruden/Allen years).
March 4th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 6:56 pm
fvck that…briesel of anybody on that line should have shined last year…and now they want to make him a power guard? buncha bs…reggie has no freakin clue.
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Exactly Briesel played like sch!t last year he won’t do any better in a power scheme
March 4th, 2013 at 7:04 pm
whats good guys, about to get new ps3 controller tomorrow, anybody plays madden13 on ps3?
March 4th, 2013 at 7:05 pm
edward teach Says:
I’d love to see Sean Smith in Silver and Black. Big, physical corner and I wanted us to draft him when he came out of Utah a few years ago.
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Free Agent Focus with Insider insight: CB Sean Smith
By Levi Damien on Mar 3 2013,
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2013/3/3/4059018/oakland-raiders-free-agent-focus-with-insider-insight-cb-sean-smith
March 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
DJ Johnny
Vick had to agree with that pay cut – he has a contract. It was probably that or be cut outright but then the Eagles would be on the hook for bonus, and other garunteed money.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders says that Reg is effin it up by keeping ZBS guy Briesel for power blocking scheme
so here is the question for you.
Which team did Cooper Carlisle played for before he came to the Raiders? and which scheme did they run? and how did the Raiders do with Cooper Carlisle in the lineup in 2010, 2011?
March 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Silly moderation
March 4th, 2013 at 7:23 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:06 pm
DJ Johnny
Vick had to agree with that pay cut – he has a contract. It was probably that or be cut outright but then the Eagles would be on the hook for bonus, and other garunteed money.
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Right. That’s what I thought. I think some guys were suggesting that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES could a player take less than what his contract calls for; as if it were part of the new cba or something, and I didn’t think that was correct.
As long as the player agrees…they can do it.
It has been my opinion all along that Palmer would take an out and out cut…IF they agreed to get him a stud wr to throw to.
Some say our receivers are fine and as a fan who has had to kick various items of furniture in frustration can attest…it is my humble opinion they are not. Too many damn doinks off the chest and hands that I saw; and no, i’m not saying Palmer was perfect all the time.
I thought Pryor got victimized himself to the tune of 4 drops.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:24 pm
340.mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders says that Reg is effin it up by keeping ZBS guy Briesel for power blocking scheme
so here is the question for you.
Which team did Cooper Carlisle played for before he came to the Raiders? and which scheme did they run? and how did the Raiders do with Cooper Carlisle in the lineup in 2010, 2011?
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Cooper Carlisle was a Bronco, and a ZBS guard. He did fine in the power scheme here; it could be said that he has our most consistent o-lineman over the past few years, regardless of scheme.
Briesel was playing on a bum ankle all year (according to Reggie; he said as much in a recent interview) and it no doubt affected his performance.
I think it’s WAY too premature to say that he can’t play in a predominantly power-oriented scheme. Someone would have to demonstrate for me that he couldn’t before I’d believe it.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders says that Reg is effin it up by keeping ZBS guy Briesel for power blocking scheme
so here is the question for you.
Which team did Cooper Carlisle played for before he came to the Raiders? and which scheme did they run? and how did the Raiders do with Cooper Carlisle in the lineup in 2010, 2011?
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In 2010 & 2011 we had an offensive mind that knew how to best utilize the talent. Greg Olsen shows more promise than Knapp, but Carlisle was a value signing. He wasn’t a $4 million signing like Brisel was. Not to mention that money could have been used to sign Satele who we were familiar with.
Funny thing is Tafur tweeted today that Brisel will probably compete with Lucas Nix.. No mention of Bergstrom.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
keep making mcxcuses for them…
March 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
345.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
keep making mcxcuses for them…
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Nobody’s making excuses, because there’s nothing to make excuses for. Briesel played on a broken leg in the playoffs with Houston, and according to McKenzie played all year with a bum ankle. So, he’s tough. And also, apparently better injured than anyone healthy that could have replaced him.
And (I know this wasn’t your comment, but I’ll address it anyway), they’re looking at Bergstrom to compete for the RT spot. That’s why he’s not mentioned as competing with Briesel and Nix at guard.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:40 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:37 pm
345.Al_is_theraiders Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 7:33 pm
keep making mcxcuses for them…
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Nobody’s making excuses, because there’s nothing to make excuses for. Briesel played on a broken leg in the playoffs with Houston, and according to McKenzie played all year with a bum ankle. So, he’s tough. And also, apparently better injured than anyone healthy that could have replaced him.
And (I know this wasn’t your comment, but I’ll address it anyway), they’re looking at Bergstrom to compete for the RT spot. That’s why he’s not mentioned as competing with Briesel and Nix at guard
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Cuz he failed at guard so they put him at tackle? Quick question, why does Barksdale get cut and we hang onto the mormon?
And if was Brisel was such damaged goods they should have never signed him. But hey thanks Knapp & Pollack for that recommendation!
March 4th, 2013 at 7:46 pm
Dj Johnny
Vick was cut and a new one year deal was signed with the same team
March 4th, 2013 at 7:47 pm
He doesn’t have a bigger fan in here than me. I want him to be special. But I can see why 32 teams passed on him over and over. I like his fire. I like his energy. I don’t think he is a viable NFL Q tho. When teams can actually game plan him, they are going to destroy him. And tucking and running, which has ALWAYS been a major portion of his game is not going to be viable at this level.
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Seymour I swear man you are so narrow minded and short sighted. You think you saw everything TP has to offer in one damn game?
The GM was obviously impressed as was the HC as he has said numerous times. So what do you thinkthey saw that impressed them if he can’t get it done when they were dead set against TP them he practices one week and plays in one game and he changes their entire outlook on him in one damn week. Yet you want to come in here and spew your complete and utter ignorance thinking it means something.
The die has been cast it is a foregone conclusion that they think something is there they want to work with yet you continue to come in here with this embicilic nonesense trying to pretend you have a point. Get a clue man!
As has been repeated over and over again they want to develope his talent which I have said since day1 that if he EVER got the chance to play that fans would fall in love with that kids competitiveness and moxey not to mention his obvious talent.
You’re making yourself sound and look like a hater…….so you don’t like the kid. So what!
That and $2 will get you a cup of coffee……….get over it they like what they see……period
March 4th, 2013 at 7:49 pm
fvck them both they suck weak asszsz zbs guards/tackles…
March 4th, 2013 at 7:50 pm
Bergstrom was a tackle in college. Maybe they feel better keeping him there. Don’t know why they cut Barksdale. Maybe he sucked, which is why most players get cut.
As far as Briesel goes, I doubt anyone in the NFL would consider a guy that played with a hairline fracture in his leg to be damaged goods, especially with no other injury history to speak of.
March 4th, 2013 at 7:57 pm
Thx Sevenradierz. So that’s how it can be done.Vick and the Eagles reached an amicable deal since Vick wanted to stay..and it may have been the best deal he was gonna get anyway.
If I were in Palmers shoes and I wanted one last shot at redemption I would say “fine…cut it in half but I would like a # 1 stud receiver to throw to so I at least have a legit shot of doing something to help this team win”.
Let’s face it. It doesn’t matter how much of a Palmer cultist I am, I recognize that if he has a bad yr. in 2013 it could very well be his last chance in the league. At his age, if he’s perceived as a guy who can’t win with decent weapons at his disposal…and let’s say an average to below average defense…then he’s toast and I don’t see another team starting him in 2014.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Quick question, why does Barksdale get cut and we hang onto the mormon?
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Simple answer.
Barksdale blew off the OTA’s last year. Not the best first impression to your new boss.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:04 pm
Dj johnny
Ur welcome. The only person that would want Palmer back is Allen and that’s because he knows he needs a respectable record to keep his job, especially with coach Spo already on staff. I think he should be cut, not for performance, but because it makes the most sense for the org.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
Bergstrom will be your starting RT next year, week 1, ready or not.
First draft choice of Reggie’s GM career. Sink or swim time for Tony.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
353.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Bergstrom never played for Carolina. He was drafted by McKenzie, and played his college football at Utah.
Evidently the staff saw something they didn’t like about DVD and Barksdale, and they were released. Happens all the time in the NFL. Not sure why you’re upset about it. Neither player has done anything of note since leaving Oakland.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:06 pm
Greetings from Tokyo, Japan. I’m a long way from my apt. by Lake Merrit. (Ain’t technology grand). Cut DHBust! That is all.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
Well we will now after this season if Briesel is a keeper or not hopefully he has a bounce back year
March 4th, 2013 at 8:07 pm
know*
March 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Completely agree, you don’t just cut thos e kids when you don’t know if they can play. Reggie did a lot of stupid things last year. He’s professing that he has learned his lesson blaming it on rookie-itis. Well I can buy that one time everybody deserves a second chance but I don’t want to see that crap again. He cost a ton and it showed on the record nice to see he humbled himself enough to see his transgressions. So we’ll see what happens.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:09 pm
Edward Teach Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:05 pm
353.The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Bergstrom never played for Carolina. He was drafted by McKenzie, and played his college football at Utah.
Evidently the staff saw something they didn’t like about DVD and Barksdale, and they were released. Happens all the time in the NFL. Not sure why you’re upset about it. Neither player has done anything of note since leaving Oakland.
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I think he was talking about when we played the panthers this year and Bergstrom played alittle
March 4th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
361.Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Completely agree, you don’t just cut thos e kids when you don’t know if they can play. Reggie did a lot of stupid things last year. He’s professing that he has learned his lesson blaming it on rookie-itis. Well I can buy that one time everybody deserves a second chance but I don’t want to see that crap again. He cost a ton and it showed on the record nice to see he humbled himself enough to see his transgressions. So we’ll see what happens.
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You say that “it showed on the record”.
How so?
March 4th, 2013 at 8:13 pm
Barksdale went to STL, played one good half of football, two horrendous halfs, and then got hurt for the year.
Reinforced cutting him in my eyes.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
People make way too much out of the ZBS/Power-blocking thing.
Baltimore switched to the ZBS this year, didn’t really change much of their O-line, and seemed just fine to me.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
edward teach Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
361.Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Completely agree, you don’t just cut thos e kids when you don’t know if they can play. Reggie did a lot of stupid things last year. He’s professing that he has learned his lesson blaming it on rookie-itis. Well I can buy that one time everybody deserves a second chance but I don’t want to see that crap again. He cost a ton and it showed on the record nice to see he humbled himself enough to see his transgressions. So we’ll see what happens.
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You say that “it showed on the record”.
How so?
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Teach, Isn’t it obvious? You don’t get rid of an entire secondary your chain mover and edgerusher. Have zero replacements worth a damn and it doesn’t cost you games. He thought just because he came from the “Green Bay Packers” he knew it all. It showed he didn’t know much at all beyond scouting college talent. Hell I can do that…
March 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
Johnny please for the love of god stop it.
Vick wasn’t “cut” he was restructured. Vick likes Kelly’s offense & Kelly likes Vicks game so they worked out a deal. Period
Your ridiculous take about Palmer agreeing “if they get a stud wr” is just sappy.
Listen kid Palmer is in no position to make any demands, he will get a take it or leave it offer based on his 8-16 record & ghastly 37 turnover in silver & black.
Face it Johnny he is a bust the biggest trade bust in nfl history
March 4th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
Jfb
So you are basing his worth on one game of football with a new team, most likely a new system, at a position where chemistry and being on the same page is most vital?
March 4th, 2013 at 8:20 pm
Mistic
That’s not johnny that is my comment and his previous contract was terminated (the cut part) and he signed a 1 year deal. That’s a fact
March 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
So you are basing his worth on one game of football with a new team, most likely a new system, at a position where chemistry and being on the same page is most vital?
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Jared Veldheer seemed just fine the beginning of his career.
Either you can play or you can’t. Barksdale was awful in the preseason his rookie year, blew off OTA’s his second season and then went and crapped the bed with his new team.
Pretty obvious he is not an NFL starter, mentally or physically.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:15 pm
People make way too much out of the ZBS/Power-blocking thing.
Baltimore switched to the ZBS this year, didn’t really change much of their O-line, and seemed just fine to me.
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Really? Aren’t you the one that said the Ravens Oline sucked for most of the year?
March 4th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Jfb
Do u realize how many sacks JV gave up his first 2 years. Also Barks was drafted during a lockout, limiting contact with coaches his rookie year
March 4th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
Their LT sucked, but he wasn’t very good the year before either.
Their interior O-line is awesome, and was in both the PBS in 2011 and ZBS in 2012.
Either you can block or not.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:30 pm
If Al Davis drafted Bergstrom and Reggie Barksdale, people’s opinions on both would be vice versa, IMO.
What’s the difference between the two? Both mid round picks, who struggled their rookie year.
Only, I doubt Bergstrom will no-show for OTA’s this year.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:21 pm
So you are basing his worth on one game of football with a new team, most likely a new system, at a position where chemistry and being on the same page is most vital?
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Jared Veldheer seemed just fine the beginning of his career.
Either you can play or you can’t. Barksdale was awful in the preseason his rookie year, blew off OTA’s his second season and then went and crapped the bed with his new team.
Pretty obvious he is not an NFL starter, mentally or physically.
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This is your problem man, you thunk if a young player gets cut and goes to another team. If he doesn’t start and go to the pro-bowl it proves the original team did the right thing.
Truth be told it proves absolutely nothing often times young players go to other teams and take time learning their system and developing further. It could take 2 years before they play well especially when they are very young players. Not being productive early says nothing about what they will ultimately become.
It is a common mistake a lot of you guys make in here. You assume way to much based a early results. he could eventually go to the pro-bowl with that team………who knows? players take time to start producing in many cases.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
Most guys think you draft a Kid and he is the finished product. UMMM noo. Its only begining when you draft someone. I dont care if they have all the production in the world coming into nfl.
U HAVE TO COACH THE KID UP and continue to develop him. TOP NOTCH COACHING is key.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:34 pm
This is your problem man, you thunk if a young player gets cut and goes to another team. If he doesn’t start and go to the pro-bowl it proves the original team did the right thing.
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Sounds exactly like your arguement for Michael Bush yesterday
March 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
366.Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
edward teach Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:11 pm
361.Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:08 pm
The_Civilian_James_Trapp Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
Bergstrom was garbage in Carolina. I understand why they want to let THEIR young guys get a chance to develop, but cutting 2nd year players in DVD & barkdsale and replacing them with guys 30+ and over is competely arrogant IMO.
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Completely agree, you don’t just cut thos e kids when you don’t know if they can play. Reggie did a lot of stupid things last year. He’s professing that he has learned his lesson blaming it on rookie-itis. Well I can buy that one time everybody deserves a second chance but I don’t want to see that crap again. He cost a ton and it showed on the record nice to see he humbled himself enough to see his transgressions. So we’ll see what happens.
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You say that “it showed on the record”.
How so?
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Teach, Isn’t it obvious? You don’t get rid of an entire secondary your chain mover and edgerusher. Have zero replacements worth a damn and it doesn’t cost you games. He thought just because he came from the “Green Bay Packers” he knew it all. It showed he didn’t know much at all beyond scouting college talent. Hell I can do that…
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I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that he made mistakes with the young players he didn”t draft and that it cost us games.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Jfb
No, most people just don’t feel that a guy that was able to lock down the LT spot at one of the premier schools in the SEC should have been cut so quickly. People were excited about that NT that was made an example out of before he was cut and few batted an eye at the decision.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
U HAVE TO COACH THE KID UP and continue to develop him.
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The kid has to show up to work.
Barksdale was one of the only guys not to show up to OTA’s.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
I think Barksdale will be a player eventually when you get cut at that young age it affects what you think of yourself. It could take him a year to pull himself together before he developes.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
Oline and D-line is easier to coach , but especially in 1 area, when wauffle was here, we were better rushing the QB, with our current DL COACH we were better against Run, except a few games, with Wylie we were one of the best running teams, our pass blocking was okay, with Pollack we were one of the worst run blocking team, our pass blocking was better than run blocking, but to well in both areas you need some players who can do it in different ways, NYG wouldn’t have beaten Pats without Strahan , tuck and osi and others, Dline putting pressure is as important, Baltimore wouldn’t have done it without Oher, Mckinney, and Birk, former top picks, we have top 10 Oline coach but we also need a few guys on the Oline who specialize in pass protecting , especially at RT, we also need a few guys along the Dline who specialize in rushing the passer, Shaughnessy and Houston aren’t naturally pass rushers, n you can’t count on 30 something old Kelly and Seymours to sack QB either, you also need a smart guy at MLB
March 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Perhaps I stand corrected but I haven’t seen that language used anywhere I have seen it reported that he restructured though
March 4th, 2013 at 8:38 pm
Barksdale = Kwame Harris 2.0
March 4th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Yeah, I don’t see where Reggie failed in any of his cuts.
Routt, Bartell, DVD,…nobody that Reggie let slip away tore it up with another team. Heck, even Wimbley didn’t do much with Tennessee and Bush is seen by most in Chicago as a disappointment.
I’d say Reggie got 4 stars in that regard.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Barksdale also got called out during the Senior Bowl for faking an injury after getting his azz handed to him the first few days of practice.
While Mayock was grilling him during the game, they panned to him and I think he was sleeping on the bench with a towel over his head.
No passion for football.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:42 pm
Bergstrom was a 3rd round conditional pick which means mid 90s pick, n he was coached by a bad OC and Bad Oline guy, and success rate for 3rd picks is like 35% and you guys want MD to oust RM because he failed on early 4th rd pick
March 4th, 2013 at 8:43 pm
…add Boss and Bruce Campbell to my little list.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
Mistic
He was owed 15.5 mil they agreed to void that deal and sign a new 3 year deal with the final years voiding this summer, making it a 1 year deal. Vick signed that deal knowing he would be cut if he lost the job to Foles or any other qb Philly decided to bring in. I’ve only seen it referred to as him being re-signed. I was happy when it happened cuz I want him to ball out with Kelly and hopefully earn one last fat contract
March 4th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
There’s a lot of specious comparisons made around here instead of wins and losses.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:47 pm
Small plays change how the game goes, there were like 15 dropped TDs by our receivers this year, and there were 100 instances our Ds couldn’t get to qb in less than 10 seconds, there were 30 instances our Special teams effed up
March 4th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
I’d like to Vick be good enough to beat Dallas two times next yr. but that’s about all the success i’m prepared to wish for the Vick meister.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:48 pm
eff Dallas
March 4th, 2013 at 8:50 pm
Vick ‘vapo rubs’ me the wrong way. I’m here all week.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:54 pm
McFadden. Someone had posted that we had 13 td passes dropped and all we could come up with was like 4 or 5 that anyone remembers.
Can u add to this list?
-The Myers ‘doink’ against N.O
-Dmac at Miami
-DHB when he was leveled vs. Pitt
…I can’t remmeber the rest, but it seems like we came up with 4 or 5.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Dj Johnny
If the players that were cut were so mediocre then why the drastic drop in production on BOTH sides of the ball. Remember you can’t say no pass rush because RM and DA made the decision to cut our best pass rusher. You can’t say bad corner play, because RM and DA decided to cut our top corner and sign Mr. Glass. Not saying these guys shoulda been kept, but how can u justify cutting them and bringing back Seymour? I’ll give RM a pass this year because he had a lot to due in terms of modernizing the analog organization.
March 4th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
DJ Johnny, i don’t know about the exact # of Tds our team dropped but i can def tell you there were more than 7 times, which led to Fg’s instead
March 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Drops are no excuse for losing. Every qb has had to deal with them and will continue to have to deal with. As our great owner would say, “get ovah it”
March 4th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Yeah, I don’t see where Reggie failed in any of his cuts.
Routt, Bartell, DVD,…nobody that Reggie let slip away tore it up with another team. Heck, even Wimbley didn’t do much with Tennessee and Bush is seen by most in Chicago as a disappointment.
I’d say Reggie got 4 stars in that regard.
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What the hell does that have to do with what they would’ve done here?
This is IMO a common mistake most people make. What a player does for team A has zero to do with that player would’ve done for team B. Different system different teammates different atmosphere.
Mike Bush would’ve made a huge difference here in our overall run production. We had zero pass rush off the edge. Those same players maybe come here and make all the difference in the world.
To say they wouldn’t, all you have to do is look at what happened without them……….period
March 4th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
severeraiderz Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:55 pm
Dj Johnny
If the players that were cut were so mediocre then why the drastic drop in production on BOTH sides of the ball. Remember you can’t say no pass rush because RM and DA made the decision to cut our best pass rusher. You can’t say bad corner play, because RM and DA decided to cut our top corner and sign Mr. Glass. Not saying these guys shoulda been kept, but how can u justify cutting them and bringing back Seymour? I’ll give RM a pass this year because he had a lot to due in terms of modernizing the analog organization.
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The reason why we were 8-8 in 10 and 11 were because of Mcfadden and PBS, our D sucked then and sucked now, but Mcfadden and PBS controlled the game, and we had an above average QB in a while, n plus our pass rush was little bit better, year younger Kelly and seymour and Wimbley made a lot of difference
March 4th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
severeraiderz Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:59 pm
Drops are no excuse for losing. Every qb has had to deal with them and will continue to have to deal with. As our great owner would say, “get ovah it”
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Why do you wanna get ova it? one of our starter specializes in dropped passes, and the other guy (MOORE) is afraid to catch anything in the middle, what do you mean get ovah it, great receivers make great plays, but we didn’t had none of that, n also no run threat when we were inside the 10
March 4th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
390.KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
There’s a lot of specious comparisons made around here instead of wins and losses.
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That’s because some of us realize that Reggie is overhauling the organization and bringing it out of the dark ages.
Some of us also realize that doing that requires a foundation, and that said foundation might take a little time. It involves, among other things, bringing in players that play and practice the way you want your players to. We also realize that the salary cap does indeed exist, and is relevant in today’s NFL, and that having your first pick in a particular draft be in the 90s is not ideal.
So, we’re debating (I think) whether McKenzie has the right idea by attempting to right the financial ship and rebuild an organization that has clearly been floundering for a decade, and doing that without many resources his first year; whether he is right to want his own kind of player or not.
I don’t think we’re debating the players he cut or allowed to leave in free agency. He had to let certain players go. I don’t think that’s debatable if you understand the cap and the changes to it under the new CBA. I think it’s just about the kids Al drafted vs. the kids Reggie drafted.
March 4th, 2013 at 9:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Yeah, I don’t see where Reggie failed in any of his cuts.
Routt, Bartell, DVD,…nobody that Reggie let slip away tore it up with another team. Heck, even Wimbley didn’t do much with Tennessee and Bush is seen by most in Chicago as a disappointment.
I’d say Reggie got 4 stars in that regard.
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What the hell does that have to do with what they would’ve done here?
This is IMO a common mistake most people make. What a player does for team A has zero to do with that player would’ve done for team B. Different system different teammates different atmosphere.
Mike Bush would’ve made a huge difference here in our overall run production. We had zero pass rush off the edge. Those same players maybe come here and make all the difference in the world.
To say they wouldn’t, all you have to do is look at what happened without them……….period
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We couldn’t afford to keep our best pass rusher, and you think we could have afforded a rb who wanted starter type of money?
March 4th, 2013 at 9:05 pm
back up rb
March 4th, 2013 at 9:08 pm
reggie is an idiot…
March 4th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
Players who talk too much never win a championship, Randy Moss 0-2, TO 0-1, now Darrel Revis is saying he’s not respected by the Jets, and want to be traded to the whiners, i hope they do trade him , that will eff up their chemistry
March 4th, 2013 at 9:10 pm
edward teach Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 9:02 pm
390.KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:44 pm
There’s a lot of specious comparisons made around here instead of wins and losses.
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That’s because some of us realize that Reggie is overhauling the organization and bringing it out of the dark ages.
Some of us also realize that doing that requires a foundation, and that said foundation might take a little time. It involves, among other things, bringing in players that play and practice the way you want your players to. We also realize that the salary cap does indeed exist, and is relevant in today’s NFL, and that having your first pick in a particular draft be in the 90s is not ideal.
So, we’re debating (I think) whether McKenzie has the right idea by attempting to right the financial ship and rebuild an organization that has clearly been floundering for a decade, and doing that without many resources his first year; whether he is right to want his own kind of player or not.
I don’t think we’re debating the players he cut or allowed to leave in free agency. He had to let certain players go. I don’t think that’s debatable if you understand the cap and the changes to it under the new CBA. I think it’s just about the kids Al drafted vs. the kids Reggie drafted.
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So ET you assume the players Reggie drafts will always be better players than any player Al could draft right?
You think Reggie will ignore the HWS players and get greta players right?
I say you assume a lot. This league is a talent first league and then everything else comes into play. Al Davis knew if a player could do something once he could do it twice. It was up to the coaches to bring it out of him. For you guys who seem to KNOW Reggie will get us all these great players. You might want to let him prove it first.
I see the players he drafts and to tell you the truth I don’t see a whole lot of difference with a few exceptions. There are only soo many bench marks you cna go on and we have always used those. So unless Your boy Reggie knows something no one else does. You just might want to wait and see……….just saying!
March 4th, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Mcfadden 20
Im getting tired of this “year younger” BS. Seymour was the same unproductive player that got by on name recognition. Kelly wasn’t much less effective last year as the year before last. If wimbley was so vital to our pass rush why cut the dude? His contract was no more out of wack than Palmers is. We improved at LB, Dez had a solid year, and Houston had a breakout year so the give and take was even. You admit that Hue’s offense carried a weak defense to an 8-8 record, I see. Took long enough
March 4th, 2013 at 9:19 pm
So ET you assume the players Reggie drafts will always be better players than any player Al could draft right?
You think Reggie will ignore the HWS players and get greta players right?
I say you assume a lot. This league is a talent first league and then everything else comes into play. Al Davis knew if a player could do something once he could do it twice. It was up to the coaches to bring it out of him. For you guys who seem to KNOW Reggie will get us all these great players. You might want to let him prove it first.
I see the players he drafts and to tell you the truth I don’t see a whole lot of difference with a few exceptions. There are only soo many bench marks you cna go on and we have always used those. So unless Your boy Reggie knows something no one else does. You just might want to wait and see……….just saying!
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You’re putting words in my mouth, sir. I said nothing about his being better or worse than Al. What I said was that he should have the right to evaluate players based on his own criteria, and make changes where he feels he needs to.
That’s his job. I’m just saying he should be allowed to do it.
I do think he’s going to do good things in Oakland, but that’s beside the point.
March 4th, 2013 at 9:24 pm
#407, I agree with ya Priest. Streater was his best rookie and that is a total Al pick. The biggest problem wih our picks were the constant coaching changes. From 63-94 we kept the same philosophy, minus the Rat, and we had what? a handful of losing seasons. Funny that guys like McGlockton, A. Smith became completely different players once Shell left. That was our mistake more so than picking players, IMO, was constantly changing systems. Now Reggie has done the same thing, scrapped the ZBS and going back to a power scheme, with new coaches. I hope it works, but Bergstrom seems like he will be worthless. Burris missed just as many tackles as Napolean Harris ever did. So far, contrary to what the Chubby Checker apologists say, it’s not promising…but I’m willing to see what he can do this year.
March 4th, 2013 at 9:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
March 4th, 2013 at 8:57 pm
DJ Johnny, i don’t know about the exact # of Tds our team dropped but i can def tell you there were more than 7 times, which led to Fg’s instead
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Yeah, I think there were more than 4 or 5 for sure I just can’t remember the circumstances.
March 4th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Sevenraiderz, Oh yeah…i’m not saying give Reggie a free pass for everything by any means. He SHOULD have dropped Seymour as u mentioned for one example and I don’t even give him a pass for being a “rookie’ gm when out of the 7 brand new, never before been, GM’s in the league last yr Reggie had the biggest drop. In fact only one other “rookie” finished worse than what he inherited.
That being said, he was hamstrung in many ways and this yr….is the yr. he needs to show some progress…imo.
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